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Analyzing the Falcons Day 2 and 3 2020 NFL Draft picks

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Analyzing the Falcons Day 2 and 3 2020 NFL Draft picks

"This is the tallest podcasts. The official podcast with the Falcons on ESPN nation podcast network in his always. I'm joined by my co host. The one and only Gina Matt Thomas Gene. How are you doing? I'm doing great. Thanks really good. After this draft weekend feels like for once the falcons did not completely side rails. Which is what we're here to talk about and today we're joined by two of our riders to the guys who have helped the site tremendously over the incredibly busy weekend First and foremost Eric Robinson who is one of our draft experts when a guy who has been cranking out content about these young players that are coming into the Falcons Organization. Eric how you doing. I'm doing pretty good excellent and joining him In us is My partner in crime for the post game podcast. And we're talking about the winning. Only Evan Burchfield Evan. How you doing man? I'm doing great I enjoy the lead. The lead up to the draft but the smoke being cleared and we all have to deal with the rumors and stuff has kind of Nice. Oh it's so nice to be out of smokescreen yes season. That's for sure so we've already talked about on the podcast. We talked about our first round pick. Aj trail and we're going to have additional podcasts. In the future diving deeper into each of our draft picks. But today we're going to talk about the guys who were selected in days two and three and that includes rounds two through seven. So for the Falcons. They had a second round pick around pick two picks in the fourth round in a seventh round. Pick so do some trades smoller earlier stuff. That happened They did not have picks in the fifth in six rounds in this draft class But let's start at the very top and that is the round to pick. I think coming into this. Pick a lot of falcons fans myself included. Were Hoping Falcons would spend that pick either at linebacker or on the defensive line either defensive edge defensive tackle sort of interchangeable between the two and what we got was one of those suit. We Got Defensive. Tackle Marlon Davidson Auburn. And let me say he is. Now my favorite Falcons player of all time ever because of the MIT. This man knows how to give quotes. He is loaded with GINA. We had shared some of those quotes in our writers chat and The video of him saying some of the things he did. What are your thoughts on this player? Some of his notable quotes during the combine enduring interviews in just general his fifth for the team. I I yeah I just love the peck. I'm immediately after the pick. A alchoholic reader. A you know fellow falcons fan and a friend who went to Auburn lives in Auburn Lindsay. Crosby he tweeted me that he was just to be a quote machine and so much fun to cover and So then the first thing that I saw was A guy who covers the bucks tweeted a video from the combine where he said that his favorite thing about football is being able to just absolutely destroy people and nobody calls the cops and I was like. Yeah this guy I love him already So I think he's right fed home again in terms of his talent the way that he'll fed into the defense. I think he's a solid addition in. You know you can tell just from seeing some of the post draft video interviews him that he is just beyond thrilled to be a part of this team. I think that he's a very good culture. Fit to so. I'm really excited to see how he it's an on that side of the ball absolutely and Eric from a address standpoint looks like we have one more alchoholic. Riders can be joining us out introduced him just stuck it but from a from a scouting standpoint. You see this player. You've watched his tape. What do you see for Marlon Davidson? Makes you optimistic or pessimistic about his prospects for the future in the team Quickly my dad was a huge Lawrence Taylor fan and he also enjoyed digging Jones as well. So I kinda learn about them at a very early age and ever since learning about them always felt like defenders needs to be a little loose ahead In order for them to actually be something and I'm always around so Marlon Davidson. Not calling him crazy. He's kind of kicking. Pass that the stock on steam as the need for a while. 'cause no I guess I think all you guys can meet a pad pretty much choirboys on. It's not just about the entire Dan Quinn era so now no feels good to have somebody in the locker room this. GonNa say something like Hey. I'm a beaten man and no one's GONNA arrested and we're going to get a win. I loved that From a scheduling standpoint. This he reminds me honestly. He has so many traits. That are very similar. It's a greater you know. He was used everywhere alone. Auburn beef as lie on the stand. Up Edge rusher. That's not he's going to be at the next level. I hope they don't do that because he is definitely be miscast. But from just the you know the Compact frame little bit over three hundred pounds quickness off the ball better a agility than given credit for for a guy his size a I think him in greedy APPA potential to form a nice tag team new on at Interior and and be a force to be reckoned with over the next few years. Awesome joining us a little bit late but not too late Of our other writers at the alchoholic odd non non. Thank you for joining this man. I'm glad to be here. I was actually in earlier. But my My computer was having some problems. I can't blame you. I had the same issue. So I'M GONNA jump to Evan Evan Marlon Davidson your thoughts on the pick. The player the talk all of it. I thought it was a great start to the second day. We definitely I was looking more like thinking. They looked at linebacker. But I mean defensive line is definitely another need is just like it like this is a quote as Gina was mentioned. You know that was another thing he said just one. It's like he said this is a quote from him when they pulled me out of the womb. I was destined for greatness like I wish I had that level of confidence. This dude is going to be an attitude That the Falcons defense needs It seems like they're done with the you know no fence Vic Beasley but they need somebody. Who's going to get more energy out of players and this guy lined up with grady jared on the defensive line Then he got Dante Fowler intact. I I was very excited. My favorite day was day to be honest. So Yeah Yeah I'll tell you it. And obviously he has to prove the field. That is true with every player. But I think all of you have pointed to the fact that he is very vocal his passionate ought to say the least. His quotes are incredibly notable in. I do. It's fair to point out the difference between him and Vic Beasley Vic being credibly sort of you know well composed quiet player. Someone did show a lot of you know. I don't want to say he didn't show passion but he just didn't seem as vocal I think as many fans are mourning interest. Yeah he was kind of boring as a player online Marlon Davidson your thoughts on the round. To pick for the Falcons. I love the pick In all honesty I was tracking the fall of AJ. Vanessa and you know. I was super excited when he was there. On the board We passed on him but Getting Davidson I have no qualms about it. He's someone who who has that kick Who can who can pretty much kick a a guard in the pants. When it comes to the Russian and Dan Quinn said he's going to try and beat him on the inside especially pass rushing downs he. He was a beast last year. He had twelve and a half tackles for loss. Which is the same amount as Derrick Brown whose off famous Auburn teammate? He had seven sacks compared to their browns four last year. And I know that's not something where we're not going to measure the impact of a defensive tackle purely on sax but that that's that's a nice little start to have just to give us some perspective on just how dominant. He was last year even though he was overshadowed by Brown a little bit when it comes to the national media. This will be the best defensive. Tackle that grady jerk will play next Tuesday Terry polling twenty seventeen and I mean. I'm excited about it. I'm excited about the fact. That teams won't be able to just straight double team Greg Jarrett without paying for it. When it comes to Marlon Davidson world when it comes to Dante Fowler intact McKinley off the edge this should this should make the lives of McKinley and Fowler a lot easier as well especially talk McKinley. We know that he's always just not one tick late He he piles up. The pressure is but he. He's always just a split second later. The quarterback now having someone like a Marlon Davidson who who's justice formidable when it comes to pass rushing on the inside as opposed to someone as opposed to our defensive tackles last year who weren't as formidable. That should that that. Should Mitt distract the quarterback? Just a little bit too. Maybe maybe give tax. That's split-second to get to him. So you know I'm excited to see. I'm excited to see the progression of Tacking Dante Valor. This year I think they're they're huge winners when it comes to this Davidson. Pick as well as Grady. Jared to he made he made first team all. Sec honors last year plan next From so now I should say something funny. He's he's sort of flirted with radar in the draft. Talk and pick up and I think everyone on the site was like wait. A who I immediately hit the scout reports. Look at this guy is like Oh my God. How did this guy fly under the radar into the second round like this but to announce point? I was also watching the fall of AJ ECHINACEA in in sort of was thinking. Oh He. He's a no-brainer. Pick here when they picked Davidson. I was like all right. Let's see what's going on with this guy in the more of read about in the more like In clearly he is a a player that has already captured. The attention of Falcons fans in part because he is showing a level of Vocalness that we haven't seen many of our Falcons defensive leaders in past and data is something. I think we've been missing so you know maybe at the level of I'd say the last Falcons defender that. I can remember that really had that. Wow the sort of you know in your face. Type of voice was Dion Sanders who just sort of carried himself on a different level and of course backed up on the field and obviously we want to see what Davis does on the field in the NFL but love this. Purely from the quotes. He's he is going to give us plenty to write about at the alcohol He just has that type of swagger in I love it like I want our players to be trash talking in your face. I want us to be the bad guys for once that hated team that everyone else in the league just despises but that we love because there are boys and that's something we have not had to your point. Our players just haven't been vocal when you have the likes of BIC Beasley dislike lounging in the tunnel as drew brees leads a game winning drive in overtime against us. It's just something that it will be nice to have. It would be nice to be that that hated those bad guys. I get tired of the Falcons beginning like the team get picked on a lot going to get picked on more than the browns ridiculous urinating. Really it's like that your dad nerdy kid in the cafeteria sitting myself as no miss is without alright. I I want something resembling twenty eleven offensive line. I remember with the Harvey Doll when Justin Blalock Todd McClure although those guys I remember leading into the wildcard ground against the giants. They were just complaining about our old line. How it's dirty. How big they talk. I want that but with our entire that I like it all right the next pick. Third Rounder my God. You could not pick a name. Those more Atlanta did this guy. And obviously the Falcons with this pick. I think many people were thinking okay. Linebacker makes a ton of sense potentially safety but they went with position that I think many people had tagged as a you know a potential pick in day two and three and that was four interior offensive line particularly at center and that is the direction the falcons went. They went with Guards Slash Center Hennessy. Hennessy Hennessy Hennessy. At l. come did it is perfect out of temple This guy was ranked as one of the top four or five cents depending on who scouting forty read. There are many people thought he was going to be going around to. In fact I saw some drafts. That thought the Falcons might take him in the second row instead. They got him in around three. So Eric I want to start with you here. I on Hennessy. Whether you think of this pick how do you see him fitting in this year and into the future I I think it's an all out all around solid Hick Innoc- was pretty much on their draft radars and seasonable. You come out to see Him Boston. Interview him there in the also had another meeting with him at combines well so he was on their list fairly early in redraft process. There's really nothing special about match. Innoc- is just a sound technician when it comes to being a blocker There's not a ton of red flags with. There's also what really there are no red flags but there's also nothing that says okay he can be a perennial pro or anything like that is just all around solid. I think this year they're going to give him a shot at guard And Desk Kinda SORTA would I expected them and I don't think I kind of believe that they want either Brown carpenter to win the job. But they're just GONNA let INNOC- compete just for the sake of competition or I think it would be better to kind of just look at him to see as the era parent as center next year to start in two thousand twenty one Which is Great. Because now he can sit here. He can compete for a job if he doesn't get it cool. He can still learn a road map for sixteen games with each and he'll be able to carry the torch mixture. Gina your thoughts on this. Pick the value in getting him in round three. The fact that you know Falcons have someone inclined up for to succeed Alex Mack who is arguably in the last few years of his career. Yeah I I actually love this tech. I've loved the Falcons are not just investing in the line and bringing in potential competition for that guard spot But also that for once. They're thinking ahead about what to do when a player is actually gone the fact that they can bring. Hennessy. And I'll have an opportunity to to learn behind one of the League's best centers. I think that it's just brilliant. And he was a tremendous value to get him in the third round. I just think that this is a this is a really really smart pick. I'm very pleased with it. Odd none thoughts on Hennessy. The future at center and whether or not he can compete at left. Guard this year I think I think we compete at left guard and I think Dan Quinn has no choice but to give him the starting job if he outplays carpenter because Dan Quinn has a lot to lose this year so it will truly be one of those pure competition. Best Player wins. We'RE NOT GONNA look at. Who's making how much money? We're not gonNA look at a homage draft capital invest in someone. It's just GonNa be purely on the field performance. I'm excited I'm excited about that. Ask for the pick itself. It's a tremendous value pick We were looking at him. Possibly as a second round. Pick for the Falcons. Taking the segment had the falcons taking him in the second round. I think we would have been fine with it. Just because he's he's arguably the best in this draft I know. Pf ranked him as the best center in this graph. That's a huge need to fill with a with Alex Mack His his days in Atlanta or a numbered in will need someone to take over. Because if not for this pick the backup centers would have been Sean Harlow in Justin mccray and neither of those guys have any experience at the NFL level playing center. And I truly think Matt Ryan would have died. Had been the center but yet I it's a it's a tremendous opportunity for Hennessy. To be groomed of to learn from one of the best in the business in Alex Mack into takeover next year starting center. And maybe even a few snaps at left guard may even win the. Left Guard position this year. I mean could he possibly be worse than what we got at left guard last year? Yes I think if you're comparing him to James Carpenter Demaim Brown. Matt go no who actually like a lot as a prospect for the future. Think Tennessee is GONNA be in the mix in we'll see. Hopefully it's going to play out. Well Evan any final thoughts on Hennessy and depict in the third round for the Falcons. I mean there's not much more to add that everybody else hasn't said I wanNA take a different take on it though that I find interesting I think we all agree that during the season Dmitrov in Quin like when they kept Austin Hooper in devante Freeman Probably true instead of trading than they were. They weren't looking more towards the future. They were looking more towards the president in saving their jobs. I liked that the Matt Hennessy pick. He could technically you know as when I believe said that. He might competed for left guard. And that's fine if he wins the job but if he doesn't he's a long term hopefully fit for Alex. Mack is done and I think you even if you don't want Dmitrov in Quin to stick around you want your general manager and coach to have long-term goals in I think during the end of last season where they kept all those players instead of trading which they eventually ended up. You know walking or getting released of with tics like this kind of Looking more towards the future and I think you WanNa have that outlook going forward. That's a great point and I think to that point Evan. The many fans were expecting Dmitrov in Quin. And I'M GONNA throw myself in that bucket to sort of All in on this draft class and I think in many ways this draft class is reflective of a GM in coach. That were still forward thinking in thinking about the future of the franchise in this pick. I think was the start of that. So yes fantastic point indefinitely something to keep an eye on because in I think Quinn Dmitrov going to succeed. They can not look at the season as the only season they still have to be responsible with roster with the money and so far. It looks like they've been doing that okay. So before we jump into the picks in round four and round seven. We're GONNA take a quick break. We'll be right back. We're back on Podcast This is David Walker joined by my co host genome Ad Online Thomas in. We've got three of our writers from the alchoholic on E. Kitsch Eric Robinson. Evan Burchfield joining us to talk about the Falcons Day to day. Three picks three rounds two through seven. We've already talked about The round one pick A. J. Trail in the previous podcast. We're talking about the guys. They have now selected. Fill out the rest of this draft class. We talked about at this point in the first half the PODCAST Marlon Davidson Hennessy. Skit into some of these guys that came in a little bit later in this draft class of I in round. Four this one. I think I was a little bit surprised mainly because I had not heard this name before Eric. I think you're the only player that have actually identify. This guy is a potential pick from Falcon so to use or in your fantastic work In identifying these players and they went linebacker in let me first say the position makes a ton of sense. Clearly the Falcons haven't needed linebacker With the lack of depth they had their Devinder Campbell walking free agency signing with the cardinals and they selected out of Fresno State. My Call Walker and I don't know if I mess Curtis First Name. I'm sure one of you will correct me. Thank you for that ahead of time is Mike on like So Eric I'll start with you first because you you actually had watched tape on this guy. You've got a little bit of a feel for what he has to offer. So your thoughts on Walker Fresno State. I my latest mock earlier this month I had walker going in the same round saint. Wow what round hundred nights in a row He's a experienced starter at Fresno state to time for seeing all not wes Honors Past Years last twenty eighteen the estimate for senior deepen spin. Twenty nine hundred. May I seen as a winder? So He's played a different positions in the last few years. Pretty much played awfully linebackers plus Andy Sedan while at St. He's another guy that's just you know he doesn't while you honestly is not the greatest athlete in the world. It's not the fastest you know. He's not gonNA hurdled offensive Lineman left and right and get a sack he just overall solly dawn Fresno state safe. You know these always making towels man. He's everywhere and I'm not talking like he's laying down next to a cow and a tap gets credit for its apple. No he's making the tau in a kind of falls in line pretty much the recipes. Drafting a term of you guys. Who but this drafts is totally different from address about because just about auto players are like multi-year stars not a guide has only been starting for year to literally every player has been a starter for like three years. So this is a veteran lead draft. Which means you know this team. Was You know the Queen Dmitrov was kind of going for guys that are ready to go now not projects and like I said Walker takes a Becky's Linson press conference yesterday? They're going to give him a shot at weakside. Linebacker me personally up. His position is probably strong SAM And he will fill the void left by Andrea Campbell. And he has some similarities to the mantra Campbell's excellent gene. Your thoughts on this. Pick the position in the fourth round the linebacker position. And just how you walker may fit into what the twenty twenty Sorry I was and then I forgot I was needed. My washing machine is super loud. I want to preface this by saying that everything that I know about Michael Walker came from our draft analyst here at the alcoholic but from what I've read of their takes. This sounds like an ideal Dan kind of pick. It's the versatility it's you know. It's the tackling the shirt tackling. Obviously that's something that Quinn places a priority on and so I think that the length is another thing. That's something we talk about. Since Dame Don lanna he's he covets at length in defensive players and so and the ability to cover tight ends. I mean. Think about how many times we've watched tight ends. Just EAT Steve Fence up over the medal and so I think that that's really encouraging so. Yeah again I think you know seems like good value. Seems like he has a lot of attributes that that this team covets on defensive. So I'm excited to see what he can do on your thoughts on Walker whether or not he'll see the field twenty twenty and whether or not you like this. Pick a high definitely think he'll see the field in twenty twenty looking at our linebacker out which doesn't really exist beyond a look in Dion Jones round pick berry very versatile. I can play all over the place in. I think that's one of the reasons why they decided to pull the trigger on him To as opposed to someone like a troy die who I was looking at this big but Walker can play all three linebacker positions reads game very well has good sized The size of is another reason. I think they went out with him over. Die Berry Berry. Short tackler like Eric said and he he's not going to be someone who's GonNa really like who who's. Who's going to? Wow you again like Eric said but he someone who's going to get the job done and that's something that the Falcons desperately needed. They had to come out of this rock with another linebacker to start in. I'm still not completely sure about the linebacker doubt Beyond the three starters. I'd still like for them. No possible look at a veteran linebacker after a post June one. When does drew money comes off the books but I. I'm not I cannot complain at all about getting a linebacker in the fourth round it was desperately needed and I think Walker is GonNa be. He's GonNa play a lot in twenty twenty. Judging by what the depth chart looks like right now. Excellent hope so Evan any final thoughts on Walker The use of that fourth round pick on linebacker fit for the team etc Like you and Gina said. I really didn't know who he was. Basically just read up on what everybody on Alcoholic Dot Com was saying From our other writers in I mean it was a need. We knew we had to address some time going into the draft I thought it would be alot earlier. But in Hindsight. I love how it turned out He sounds like he's GonNa fit right in Yes I'm excited about it Mainly because I like who we got a head of him so that it for fourth round value if he lives up to what everybody's all the good stuff they said about him You know he can be pretty good steal. I think it's encouraging that we didn't draft another linebacker L. Lsu display queer. Plenty of there were plenty of them. I think we've exceeded the Our quota on the LSU linebackers. And of course I love the one we kept. We had another win. I CAN'T MEMBERS NAME WHATEVER GUIDE. Alexa pull truckloads of yeah. He was good to trucks and not much else next pick in the fourth round. This one I think was interesting. Honestly at this point I think you could have identified any number of positions. The Falcons may have drafted. I think a lot of people were expecting. Maybe another defensive end project As a pass rusher possibly linebacker again at running back as other position And they went with a safety and they went with Jalen Hawkins out of California so odd number one start with your first Were you surprised? By this pickers surprise that they went with safety concerns got Ricardo Allen. Diamante Qazi Jonah. All basically slotted in for safety in twenty twenty. I'm not surprised that they came away with the safety end this draft just because with Keno nearly as much as I hate to say he is a big injury risk at this point back to back very very serious injuries and I hope that we can give back to one hundred percent in that. He has a long healthy career with hopkins themselves. I I felt like this was a bit of a reach pick. This was the first pick where I was kind of scratching my head after it happened. He he's a big hitter. He has your good instincts in the secondary. But he's very he's pretty slow and The scouts say that his lack of speed will really tap his ability to really be a long-term starter in the NFL but He'll be he'll be a key. Contributor on special teams he has the tools now tributes to be right on special teams from day one and he'll probably be the backup strong safety behind John O'Neill but he someone who who I really felt like. This was a bit of a reach in the fourth round I I don't know I don't WanNa save as a blanket statement. Oh they should have just traded back and gotten him. Because you never know if you didn't have any trading partners but this feels like one of those were the falcons also had a fifth round pick. They wouldn't have taken Hawkins in the fourth. They would probably waited until the fifth round to take him now. Jimmy your thoughts on Jalen Hawkins the use of safety in this draft class and how he may fit in for twenty twenty and beyond. Yeah I think the key thing to remember. Is that right now Aside from obviously the entry rests with cannon which does really concern me for his future a we do not have the Falcons do not have a safety under contract beyond the season and so I think for that reason the picnic stance I realized that he may have been a bit of a rage. But guess if they didn't have a trade partner you know that kind of Makes it more difficult to to act obviously and so yeah? I mean just from the perspective of not having any safety is under contract beyond twenty twenty. I feel fine with yeah I would say as an addendum to that. It's really hard to speak to what. Nfl teams have on their draft board. As far as where guys are ranked Only can go off of what we see on the Internet from various experts. And you know if Hawkins was a sixth round seventh round draft pick. It's possible the NFL had him higher or lower. It's impossible to know for sure. Obviously Fourth Round on nonce pick point. Maybe win the fifth. But it didn't have that pick in. That could certainly been an influence here. Evan your thoughts on Hawkins and his future with the team I also had no idea who he was but my my outlook on it is. I'm trying to stay optimistic. Because one of the few things I do have faith in either. I don't know who's more to Get the credit but Dane Quin Dimitrov. Together is their secondary picks up. Been Pretty Good Just I mean you look at like the Monte Casey's was a fifth round pick. I mean Kiana Neil. When they picked him I knew who he was but I thought that was a reach in east. I mean injuries happened. But when he's on the field that's turned out to be a you know a pretty solid pick So I mean I am more faith in like hoping what what what's going to happen with it. Kendall Sheffield you know. It's it's still young in his career. So it's Kinda hard to make a judgment call on that but he's looked promising and I think Quinn's even mentioned that he he's going to be like a coke corner one or whatever High so I'm not just hold out open just you know something happens good with the Hawkins Safety Long-term so that's another looking towards the future pick I think but Yeah but from what the scouts are said. It doesn't sound very promising. Eric you wrap us up on Hawkins your thoughts on this. Pick the player how he may fit in. You know the the pick was definitely one that I question. I get what they were trying to get going. I just don't get the clear exactly You Know You. You look at his tape. You look at his numbers he produced but you know. He played both three inch strong safety. But you know here who's going to be slotted as a strong safety back in meal. I didn't see a time on film as far as him. being reliable or him playing position. Full Time. Enough for me to say okay. He's definitely he's physical. Let in hindsight that got him in trouble a little bit in college because Jerusalem flags to come for unnecessary roughness. He does have ball skills and the boss translate from him actually being a former receiver he came to University of cow as a receiver so he has ball skills. Yeah but is it boss? Goes to the point where you trust them on the back end about that. So we'll see we'll have to actually see him on feel in in accidentally. It can get back to you right now. never sugarcoated. It is a reach that were better. Safeties ON BOARD ANTHONY BROOKS FROM MARYLAND. Was One that comes in. That comes directly to mind you know. He's he's built very similar to Yamile within a nice steak in the foreground in my opinion. But we'll see what would hawkins can give He fits that whole versatility tag. That you know Ganic win loves so I'M GETTING MATT. I'm giving the physicality thing I think. That's that's a cultural trait But I this is one I look at and say I'm not quite sure he's really gonna be he's GonNa give them anything even if it's a situation where they're going to have to rely on. I'm not quite sure he's he's that yet. Seems to be the the consensus. I've read as you know. The first four picks before him people understood and were on board with thought there were some. You know some good value with those guys. Hawkins seems to be the first pick of this draft class and thank God that was in round four. Not Around one. He seems to be the first pick of this draft class where people were scratching their heads. A little bit thing. There was some other guys you know we thought would have ranked ahead of him than projected better today. Nfl Hawkins but again you know we ultimately have to see these guys field and see how they perform. A He was flagged a few times for targeting in California from what I read. That's GonNa be something they'll have to get under wraps obviously in the NFL so arguably he's GonNa Start on special teams and we'll go from there Because right now Kevin Neal Ricardo Allen Domon. Akc their slotted in as the three guys that will lead the charge safety One way or the other and Hawkins will have to earn his stripes. Alright I would've loved to see him address here. I mean yeah I think there is. There's still some guys on board that too. Yeah options and yet if they go that way so we'll see but I mean up to me. I was the biggest he compared to just trying to find a backup shown. Safety in rapport. Yes in it I will say. The the Falcons are going to get about ten million in cap space on June second. When doesn't true funds contract comes off the books? There is talk. Hope if you will that some of the free agent pass rushers that have not signed yet like Everson Griffen and Oh my God can wait. I can't wait I retired goody. No he did think they said he would. He was an it came out that he actually wasn't. There was a confusing day. Yeah so that. There's some hope. That the falcons that tim million cap space about four or five million dollars for the rookie class. That will be able to go after another free agent pass rusher. We'll see I'm not sure that that's in the cards. But I'm with Eric. I think another pass rusher in in this part of the draft would make a little bit more says now for the most intriguing pick on day three this one has elicited some reactions and I mean it's the seventh round so I want to get this out of the way I a most seventh rounders do not make. Nfl Rosters if anything they they get you know put on the practice squad. It's very rare. The seventh round draft. Pick a really pan out in any way shape or form indices if you're going to draft a position like this. It's probably best to do it in the seventh round so Gino wanting to I. The Falcons selected Punter Sterling. Hof Richter and not. Yes the last time they drafted a punter was in two thousand eleven where they drafted Matt Boxer. Who has to that point has worked out pretty well even though looks like they're moving on for him at this point your thoughts on number one a guy whose first name is sterling the twenty twenty and number two the fact that Falcons drafted him to play Punter in twenty twenty Yeah I you know. I'm not sure that they couldn't have gotten him as an undrafted. Free agents I will say you know a lot of people have been talking about how undrafted free agents is really different this year because everything has had to be done virtually and these are players. They really haven't had as much time to you. Know to scout because they've been preparing for the draft and so I think that that is probably part of the reason that they went ahead and grabbed him when they could But yeah I mean it's a punter in the seventh round like I'm just not going to get that work or the other I cannot muster the emotional energy for anything other than Chur. This seems fine. That's where I am after working more than forty hours since Thursday amen. I hear you Evid your thoughts on seventh-round punchers and in particular Mr Sterling Hoffa Victor. I actually might be in the minority but I didn't mind the pick Just because I think it's still a position of need. They had you know they did sign Ryan Allen who was pretty great last year him in Bosscher both finished with the same exact yards per punt average. Which was weird. Forty one point nine Now gone they had technically five punters last year between bossier allies while Redford in it. They kinda tip their hat. You know before the I think it was what was it was a day two or day three. They got rid of Named Sam Irwin Hill. Or whatever you have more yesterday morning okay. So it was before. The round of the day started So they got rid of the punter the other punter who was on it so Ryan Allen Now has competition as it should be Apparently he was a first team all. Acc The last two years. So I mean there's potential there if you have a planner you know who sticks around like Matt Ball. She did I think that's a win for a seventh round. Pick considering our last seven th round pick. I think was Fuller in that really. Didn't go anywhere. So Eric Round this out your thoughts. A- punter in the seventh man. Well for one thing you know with their pit so spaced out. I was waiting forever for this. Take right game and it was a damn honor. Usually we waited all afternoon for you guys up on your on the roster but whatever I guess I guess I guess is a good kick. The kid can kick. He's versatile can't kick he He's had kickoff At Syracuse. At time he even Registered a fifty two yard field goal while Syracuse at one point so he's versatile but how versatile the To be nowadays. That is something I don't actually require from up under what I again. I guess I'll go with it. But they were again was another chance for them to get as rusher and he didn't so yeah. Let's go with it. I guess he's an x guy. Sure going at it out. If he plays out like Matt Boxer. Did I guess you could say all right? He's a seventh-round or who made the roster and hopefully can contribute for many years to come. I can see it was a kit. Maybe sever nobody's going hunters round the coast. There is in pick one when the draft was. Okay so I mean I guess I guess I mean everyone value certain positions more than others but yet no one was gonna be climbing over other teams to get out. I don't know I heard. There's a lot of buzz around Hoffler because of his main. That's why sterling idea. Yeah this is a guy that you said to the the the bottle shop to buy the beer for the The NCAA can't the names. You just whatever yes real and you just tell them the beer. That's what it is. I'll say this at least Hawford doesn't have a crazy outright. Melissa Tattoo like to inform her point. I'm glad this guy doesn't have like a a Nazi sign. You eight points. I gotTa take joy where we can find it here. When we're talking really would have been questioning that same. Yeah I I am. I'm glad that are. Puncher is not also a card carrying member of the KKK. So we're arguably we're setting the bar very very low for what we expect out of a punter but apparently they're NFL teams that find that a desirable trait early on loan in that. Wraps up. The Falcons draft class so is a real quick synopsis. Here is what the Falcons did in twenty twenty first round. They selected cornerback. Aj barrel out of Clemson. Second Round Defensive Tackle Marlon Davidson out of Auburn Third Rail Center Matt. Hennessy temple fourth-round Mike Walker Fresno State linebacker in Jalen Hawkins Safety of California of course seventh-round Sterling hoffer enter so real quick gene. I'm going to start with you here. After seeing how this played out knowing the needs to falcons had looking looking at the value of these players they trail. How'd you feel about the Falcons? Twenty twenty draft class. You know overall I'd probably give it a B. I'm a little bit concerned that there wasn't more of an emphasis on the pass rush. Even though I love David then I think that he can be a really disrupt player I don't hate the. Aj Tarot pick You know they needed a corner. I think that they knew that he wouldn't get past. The raiders I love the Hennessy Peck. I like the Walker Pekka Lot. Hawkins I at least get it because you know they probably needed a safety. And like I said I mean I can only muster so much emotional energy about seventh round pumps the alright militia tattoos and so overall. I think that I'd give it a b The the whole effort. I'm I'm pretty pleased with that. I'm not mad online about it and so We all know that that's unusual so yeah. I think it's pretty good. Awesome Evan. Your thoughts on this. The twenty. Twenty Falcons class. Yeah I mean as. Y'All said the only thing that was really missing was the edge player but overall I would give it a B. I mean every draft could be better technically but I think it was pretty solid It I don't want to say it out loud but it did. Give me optimism for this Season so we'll see what happens. Eric you've spent a lot of time looking east players in this class. Give us your thoughts on what the Falcons did with the twenty twenty draft. Picks be overall. I think it was a pretty class. No I don't love. The agents were picked by no hate it either especially when you get to the back story about how a lot of teams Throw as I remember anyway right off. The raiders were interested in as was the saints so bear lease a stolen from a division. The division rival so good point Like I said overall I'll give it a you know be it was. It wasn't a star Senate Class. That were really. No hint liners To meet their better players on the board at each position but they chose guys that like I said earlier Rich ready to contribute your one so And I appreciate the fact that they didn't really take any projects any type guys. Look at and say hey they WANNA meet about two years coaching before they know they got. Guys that are veterans at the collegiate level. In your radio now so Yeah I I just wish they would grab another I kind of feel like they're playing with fire this year. Just like they do last year. Honestly you signing Dante Fowler. I still feel like depending way too much on hoping met a certain guy steps up. Instead of just accumulating bodies having a plethora options I after like they're they're playing with fire right now when it comes to that. I think it's I think all of you sort of summarized where I am where most people are like. This is a good not great draft class. A bunch of names that Tick off the boxes and you know one picked that maybe was questionable in were maybe to again. I'M NOT GONNA argue over seven rounders and ultimately you these guys are gonNA prove it on the field one or the other and whether or not they can talk whether or not they've got burned in the championship game is going to be completely irrelevant win. In September October walls around. And and you know that's what is so great about the NFL is that these guys ultimately Their success is determined not by what happened in college now that they've gotten here they're on the team the only thing that matters what they do going forward it. Can I say something real quick? Yeah hit me the listeners. Who are still hanging stuff over eight Because the one game like let it go like it was. The last game is collegiate career. He's in starting for two and a Half Years. Let it go. You know in their receivers made a lot of quarterbacks look embarrassed every defense. Last year they made based or teach us on C. J. Anderson gave up one hundred yard game. It smart safes. Let it go happens that Fantastic point to that point on the podcast realm of tried to get with some of the The team sites have covered these players from collegiate level to get their deeper thoughts especially a terrell in Davidson us to to get a good feel for what they saw from these guys in their time in college and hopefully that guy's more perspective because you know seeing someone their worst moments should never be a barometer for how you judge them as a prospect. How you judge them for future and I think we can say safely that none of us want to be judged by that none of us want to be judged by our worst moment in our careers to say that that is who we are and will forever be I think it's unfair to put any of these players under that sort of criticism for their careers in the NFL. Going forward Fake York fantastic point. So we're going to wrap this up guys. Thanks for joining Gina. Won't you tell our listeners where he can find you? What you've got going on. You can find me at Gina Thomas on twitter where I am often posting pictures of my dog and about a week and a half. So right now tweets might be wedding related. It's turns out that you a small virtual wedding at home. I is a lot of work and a lot of stuff pulled together. So that's kind of where I am right now Were doing a theme week across our estimation team brands this week. It's going to be Jersey theme. We we should have some fun. Falcon stuff up on the Falco Hollick. Because obviously we've got New Jersey's to talk about so keep an eye out for all of that and Otherwise you can find the and my house Because not intend to yet corona virus again or give it to anybody else so I will be right here. I don't I don't care. The bowling alleys are open. I am not slim bowling. Awesome Evan reminded listeners. Can find you what you've got going on. Yeah you can find me on twitter at Edinburgh field. I mean you should be checking out the alcoholic all the time anyways. Just because there's so much content specially now that the draft is over in. You're looking for stuff to read but in specific I mean Dave show runs about Golic. He we put together. The Falcons undrafted free agent tracker 'cause players who didn't get drafted but you know many of them have a possibility of making the roster like Ryan schrader did and Like Allama Dais Akitas. Who's on the current roster? He was undrafted. So it's not like the end of their football journey so they did sign about eighteen or nineteen. So you can look at the tracker and see that What else Oh. The rookies selected their Jersey numbers into that also on the foul colleague Dot Com. What Jersey numbers the rookies? We just talked about Will will wear on this upcoming season and then tomorrow I believe or Monday I had an interview with Morten Andersen which is gonNA post on Monday. So yes. That's about it tastic Erik. Same question you where they can find you what you've got going on You can find me on twitter at Eric. Robinson today was released. My Mullen Davis report along with much litter. Bauge a film review that are looked over again after after the draft was completed. I've been reviewing against Oregon. Lsu Georgia in ups Ask not draft. Season is over. And I'M GONNA try not to go into a deep depression because of it so I have to try to find something until then. Yeah I guess I guess. 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Falcons 1st round options: Trade that pick

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Falcons 1st round options: Trade that pick

"This is the alcohol. Podcast official podcasts of the atlanta falcons on the sp nation podcast network dave walker continuing our short series where we look at the various options. The atlanta falcons have with their number four pick in the first round of the twenty twenty one. Nfl draft which is right around the corner joining me on this journey to talk about the options. The falcons have is my co host from the post game podcast during the season. The one and only evan burchfield evan. Thanks for being here for having me t w looking forward to it. Yeah today. we're going to talk about this number. Four pick and it. I guess you could say using it or not using it. We're gonna talk about the option of trading it away and obviously during the thomas dmitrov era. We were used to the first round being a time where he would trade up. He did it several times in his time. As the gm of the falcons obviously with terry no We are in a new era. Things could be different and believe it or not You do as a team have the ability to trade back as well. Though falcons fans haven't experienced that in the first round for a very long time. So i wanted to talk about these two options. Evan because i feel like you know last time we talked about drafting a quarterback the pros and cons and matt ryan age etcetera. I think you in this scenario. And i want to talk about maybe the more controversial. These two options. I that's trading up. Obviously the falcons are number four. There's only so many spots to go now. We have three teams in front of us. We've got jacksonville number. One you've got the jets and number two and you have miami at number three so let's start with the idea of trading up Obviously i don't think it makes sense to trade up with miami like why are you moving up one spot unless you're trying to jump in front of potential trade you think is going to happen In my mind if the falcons were going to trade up it's either going to be to number two number one and if you're going up to number one. I think there's only one player that you're you're basically making that big of a move for and that's got to be the number one player in this draft class trevor lawrence. You're you want the best quarterback in class. So i want to get your thoughts on just the idea of trading up when you're at number four to begin with what do you think about it. You think it would be way too aggressive. Move for known his first his first move in the draft is a general manager. It'd be a lot of pressure. i mean. This is first time as you mentioned that. The general manager into make a move up to one Even though four isn't like a insane drop for what what were the jaguars would go if they did you know. Make a move within lena. But that's still would be like such a highly coveted pick. The falcons would be giving up a ton of future picks First rounder yeah Because you know. Trevor lawrence There's probably like a couple of people you'll see on twitter and stuff who have like like wilson ahead of lawrence and stuff But lawrence is a guy in this draft At the quarterback position specifically A lot of experts Seem as a guy who can be the next. You know matt ryan as we're familiar with like the quarterback not. I'm not saying they're the same quarterback i'm saying the guy you can have for over a decade. Who has your team. You know in position to win. Football games He's the franchise quarterback that all teams dream of having a lot of teams fail getting So if the falcons didn't make a move it would have to be the one to get warns. There's no reason to unless they feel like Wilson or fields. Or whoever's going to go and that's you know that's their guys like they prefer him Even then you're still. You're still going to be giving a picks the problem with the top. Four and moving up is that those picks are going to have Life say like the jets and number two pretend lawrence went to the jan at who you're still going to have a lot of competition The jets are gonna look more south than go. Oh well we only have to fall two picks but at the same time. The falcons aren't going to offer as much as i mean. Let's pretend like a team like the lions wanting to go up from seven That's more of a drop. I mean there's a lot of teams you know this year. That need quarterbacks i could see teams like At fourteen and fifteen the vikings and patriots you know they their teams. That could need a quarterback so you know it just depends on the compensation at that point but Teams to your question. I don't the falcons moving up unless it's for lawrence and at that point fonteneau is like literally throwing all the pressure on himself because if that busted and let's pretend they had to give up a first round pick next year and who knows what else That's something that can hold the franchise back you know when they're in a position of trying to transition Not a complete rebuild but at least the transition to what the future's look like. Yeah and he would. He end the arthur smith with one hundred percent. Be hitching their wagons to that quarterback prospect for sure and to be honest. I think any quarterback if they draft a quarterback in the first round there hitching their wagons to whoever that is they draft. Because obviously they're saying. Hey this is the future beyond matt ryan now whether it's trevor lawrence or wilson or fields or whoever they will you know using a first round. Pick and a quarterback is them. Saying we're we're hitching are into the sky Come hell or high water. If you're moving up to one to take a quarterback that pressure also on that quarterback because there's that does it work out. Yeah and and honestly you know if if you moved up and you grabbed a quarterback it's going to be insanely hard not to put him on the field in twenty twenty one. You can make a case that a guy number four You know one of the other Two or three options that people consider to be a first round value in the quarterback position. You could make the case for sitting. Someone like wilson fields or lance trae lance on the bench per year behind matt ryan that that is not a difficult case to make. But if you move up to get your guy that is going to be very very hard to to sign off on him sitting For a year behind matt ryan. And we've all you know we've talked about this on the site. There's no way. The falcons are able to move matt ryan. The the cap is often. allow it. it's just not doable. Move this year. Twenty twenty two going to be the first year they could move on from him But yeah if they grab a quarterback in move up for him. It's going to put a ton of pressure on the gm like you said it's a pressure on that player like you know. Hey we moved up to get you better perform and also gonna put pressure on organization to put him on the field immediately. That said you know. I have seen. There've been some mock drafts evan. That have had the falcons moving up to like one of them had them trading up to three which was in my mind just crazy move but we have seen a couple that have had them trading until number two to go grab a justin fields to make sure that they get their quarterback. I guess in that situation the thinking is they wanna make sure they get the quarterback. They like in not run the risk that the jets were the dolphins trade. Back in The falcons watch team jump in front of them to get that quarterback so it may not even be you know in the trade up scenario. I think it has to before quarterback because at this point outside of the quarterbacks i don't know that there is a dominant defensive player that warrants like trading up for top five into the top five and i cannot see a situation where you're trading up to grab some some like a sewell for free offensive line like it just seems like if you're going to trade up now in this draft class it's going to be because you wanna quarterback And i think you said it perfectly. There are so many teams that want in on that action. Like we're saying we are seeing some madness right now even before we get to the draft with you know guys like carson wentz being shipped off You know all of this is just. It's creating sort of this atmosphere that anything can happen because of the need for quarterback in this draft class but And just to add to what you were saying. As far as the The trade value. I'm looking at the trade value chart one of the ones it's widely used on the internet. It's probably fairly accurate. The falcons to move from the before to number one almost certainly would have to include a future first round. Pick to make that kind of move to the very short. You're making evan like if they moved from four to one in order to do that. There's going to be a future first round pick you know. Twenty twenty two first round. Pick in their M possibly more. Because if the falcons have like a bottom of the first round it's not. It's still not enough compensation. Jacksonville will probably be looking like For a future i. Maybe you know this year's third this year's fourth there's a package to move up and that's a lot of draft compensation for you know especially when you're sitting in the top five like i don't know i'm not a fan of the idea of seen. Some people doing mock drafts but I think that would trigger fans more than anything in the world. Yeah i mean overall like realistically looking you know at the start of march a lot can change but you know the jags wanted to get a quarterback. They're gonna probably lawrence as things are headed that way Just they said they. Haven't you know they said all the right things and press conferences and stuff about the donald But they it's not like they said they listen. The rumors darnold's our guy. That's it like no they ray. You know there's a lotta mocks that had them take him lowe and if we were betting money at the current moment I'd say that's a pretty good chance of happening. The dolphins are the wild card. Because i mean i. I've seen that spot in mocks. Usually traded Usually has him taking a quarterback in some of them Because yeah there's a lot of rumors with to us. We've mentioned on past podcasts But some taking a wide receiver All kinds of crazy stuff. So it's outcomes really only have to worry about the dolphins if they wanted to just stay at for intake in this scenario. You know. Lawrence and wilson go wanna take fields. They're just hoping the dolphins stayed put and take somebody instead of like trading with carolina. You know that's the last thing you want to see. The falcons think feelings back i in the panthers trade up with the dolphins one pick ahead of them take fields now. You're playing them for. Who knows how long. So there's a lot of things happen absolutely and it's interesting. I think the jacksonville feels like they're pretty cemented in i. I'd be very surprised if there if they try to way that i pick. I think they are going to grab. Trevor lawrence and i will be shocked if they move out of that number one spot however i could very much see the jets in miami. Having their phone line's ringing on draft night and being ready to make a move so as it stands right now. I do think there's a strong possibility that we could see three straight quarterbacks. Go off the board with the jets miami. Both being willing to trade inter-trade down so on that note. I wanna talk about the you know. The potential for the falcons also joined that parade of teams trading. Out of the top four picks. Before we do that we're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back. We want the best of both worlds. We want a hybrid a smarter. Hybrid cloud approach with ibm helps retailers. Manage supply chains with watson while predicting demands with ease the world is going hybrid with ibm visit ibm dot com slash hybrid cloud support for this. Podcast comes from progressive saving on your car. Insurance is easy with progressive. It's an average savings of seven hundred ninety six dollars for customers who switch and save in fact. Customers can qualify for an average of six discounts on their auto policy with progressive including discounts. Just for starting a quote online or owning multiple vehicles get your quote online and progressive dot com and see how much you could be saving national average annual car insurance savings by new customer survey to save with progressive in two thousand nineteen discounts or not available in all states and situations. We're back on the hall. Podcast dave walker. I'm joined by my partner. Evan burchfield we're talking. About the option of the falcons using the number four pick in the upcoming twenty twenty one. Nfl draft to trade and we talked in the first half of about trading up. Now let's talk about what i think. Is the more realistic scenario here. And that is the the falcons looking to trade back in the first round. Obviously you know we joked about it. In the first half thomas dmitrov. I was allergic to trading back in the first round. He never did it. A i think that It's one of the things where he he was. Almost allergic to. First round trades So he he avoided. It never happened but now we actually have heard terry font no intimate that this is something he could consider in that. Nothing is off the board. And you get the feeling. Especially with the falcons having a little over thirty guys under contract salary cap issues that And the fact that they're trying to build for the future that acquiring additional draft capital in this draft class which i think a lot of people have said is not necessarily Extremely talented the taught but it has a lot of depth of talent so you can get a lot of good good players. You may not be able to get a A ton of hall of fame players like he did in the two thousand eleven draft class. But you're going to get a lot of good players over long term This may be like the best move for the gm out of the gate is to trade back and acquire a tally of picks. You know four that number four spot. So i'll throw it out there to ivan. What do you think about the option of trading back you. This is something that font. No should seriously consider even if one of the top quarterbacks is on the board at number four so it's not the citing move that the fans love especially they're really you know beating the drums for one of these quarterbacks but it's absolutely the smart safe move because of the value in the picture beginning It just kinda depends on how. How interested are you in them taking a quarterback. Like if you're kinda like field you're on the fence about or wilson. You're on the fence about one of them's there You know you move back. Collect picks maybe you end up taking lancer jones later on 'cause you can still address the quarterback position without using a top floor pick But i mean history. I mean i got a mentioned this. Because i i mentioned before but it's fascinating that the last time. The falcons traded back in the first round was march. Twenty eight nine hundred ninety seven. Been a while But if yeah and that's march twenty eighth so Three twenty eight But she's got javale there. I don't want anybody to forget that because we are but Yeah i mean it just kinda depends who you want you know The foul there several. You know if you look at a lot of the players that are projected to go in that top fifteen there several players you can make a case for like mike parsons You can make a case for like caleb farley the corner out of virginia tech Just add hug after thrones by tonight soule you could add to. Yeah yeah exactly That for me. It seems like the best move On top of that you know on top of the draft compensation. You're going to get back just to move down. You know you don't have to move out of the first round you can move down like like i said to one of these teams like minnesota or new england like fourteen fifteen who wanted quarterback but also you know there's teams like philadelphia that The lions at seven. I don't know if you wanna trade with the panthers but there are at a bronco that nine cowboys who knows if they're going to bring back And so it's not like our good buddy shanahan's there so there's several teams that you don't have to move like to pick twenty eight or something You're going to get a solid first round. pick out of it. Plus you know a first round there at least you know next year whatever I would like to see. I think both these guys you know when you look at the history of the resume fonteneau being with the saints for nearly twenty years. He's he's seen you. What a veteran quarterback can do for franchise like and then on top of that. Arthur smith best success came with ryan tannehill. Who a lot of people counted out. he's you know going to tie ins was considered like. Oh my gosh. what are they doing. And then they benched. Marcus mariota for him. And it's like what are you doing. And he had a pretty solid that year last year. So if there was two guys who believe in a veteran quarterback and still be useful It'd be them to. That's a great point the counter argument. You may not get being a spotlight this we can take. You know one of the top quarterbacks in the draft but i see the value more in trading back and taken you know the pick plus still getting a top fifteen top ten first rounder. Yeah and to your point. So i to look at some of these trade back options against the trade value chart. So the i team you mentioned philadelphia which obviously has to be considered a team that you know at least is mulling over the idea of a quarterback after getting rid of carson wentz you know based on the draft value chart. The falcons could go back just to spots and pick up a third round pick And still be in the top You know the top ten a at number six in getting another day to pick If they went back to detroit at number seven potentially could get a combination of a third round. And maybe a fourth round pick You know even better compensation to drop back one additional spot if they traded with denver. That's where now you begin to see that compensation dropped you start to jump up to like a second rounder to where the falcons are now picking up a additional second round pick from denver to to drop back Three or four spots to give denver a shot at you know. Obviously what we would assume would be a quarterback you get down to like what you're talking about san francisco Coda new england. Now you're talking about you. Know the falcons trading back and picking up you know a potentially a future first rounder and you know maybe a collection of picks in day three in four or days two and three sorry in this draft class. So there's a ton of options and the thing that makes us even more enticing. Evan is what you and i just talked about. Look at the number of teams behind the falcons. That desperately need a quarterback. You know you can argue pretty easily. That matt ryan has several good years from a health standpoint Left in front of him. And if you look at the teams that really really need a quarterback philadelphia clearly has to be in their detroit. You know unless they you think they just really believe in jared goff carolina clearly needs one denver. Unless you think lock is the future there san francisco. You know depending on what you think of jimmy. Garoppolo minnesota clearly has indicated that you know they. Don't they have their future quarterback yet new england with the one year rental of cam newton in how poorly that went under bill belichick. I mean that is a large number going to like waddell chicago at twenty Like it just keeps going twenty four if you really wanna get crazy. Yeah yup yes. You're talking about looking pasture. Asian quarterback like they're basically at the point where they're doing like when you're deals with ben rothlisberger so but yet it the thing about that is you know. We're talking about the draft capital at number four in a normal situation. Well if you have a ton of competition where if you're atlanta number four and all of a sudden philadelphia rings your phone and your next phone call is from detroit And then your next phone call us from carolina and you hang up in the your next phone call is from denver in your next phone call from san francisco and you've got four or five teams are all calling about that number four pick. This is a situation where you go back to philadelphia. Say sorry guys in that third round. Pick alone isn't gonna cut it. I'm getting an offer from detroit. Who's right behind you. That includes a second rounder. And now you get to play these guys against each other because there is a sense of desperation that they all want a quarterback in you are in that prime spot a and this is where instead maybe in another draft class you drop from four to eight you will pick up a second. Rounder will now perhaps to sweeten the deal. You dropped from four to eight. You're picking up a second round. A third rounder in the future second instead and now you're building out a a little bit more depth underwater and i think this is where having so many desperate desperate teams behind the falcons could ramp up the potential draft stock that they get in exchange for that pickett number four. And you know as you mentioned we just started with the top fifteen like if they got really aggressive and you go back all the way down to a team like pittsburgh at number twenty four. You're looking at a ton of compensation now. I'm not i'm not. I'm not personally advocating for that. I think the falcons should try to stay in the top ten fifteen range but you could certainly see a situation where these other teams make it really really aggressive and start putting some big deals out there. We have seen it in the past. And this is one of the things i love about. The nfl draft could be really really interesting. Any final thoughts and trading back. You like let me ask you this to close this podcast. Neither of us thinks that trade up is particularly likely. So we'll just put that the side but we're trading back is concerned like if you were to put a percentage on it of you know as someone drawing up the odds. Now what do you think. The odds are the falcons will trade back from that number four pick. Well i think last on our last show. I said that it was about a sixty five percent chance of them taking quarterback so the percent chance. I think you said thirty five. I can't remember exactly. But i think for this for trading back in the past I mean right now. I say fifty fifty like i don't really know because unfortunately fun to know. You know his position with the saints. We aren't very familiar with him. We don't know exactly like what he what his thought is on stuff So like who knows you know Bama say fifty fifty right now if we start to hear because they're going to absolutely if they're serious about you know potentially moving back. There's going to be conversation There's gonna be rumors you know first and foremost But at this present time there really hasn't been Again this is march first. So there's plenty of time for that. But right now i mean. It's just kind of the air. I think it'll be the best value but again. We don't know what their thoughts are on these quarterbacks if they absolutely want one you know they've got all the right stuff out matt ryan they came out and said oh You know we really need to get like you know look towards the future and stuff like that and makes me a little bit more like gone quarterback like really early here But they haven't really said that but they So everything's gone up in the air at this point But yeah i think fifty fifty at this point. Just the i dunno know i i. I think the value is going to be so great at that position for people trading up That i mean 'cause like you said you went over them. There's a ton of a ton of teams need a quarterback they're gonna start having conversations seeing what the value is there I think going down where the steelers are is a little too far for me. But i wouldn't mind moving back with like i mean philly Detroit You know. Minnesota new england one of them teams. I mean i think that's that's still gonna get you a great player and also give them some pieces to work with down the road next year or the next strapped I mean makes it fun this year is we're having these conversations were normally where like. Oh we're at you know ten or something and it's like oh. I wonder which you know is like it's even hard to predict because the metro. Just take some random person like. Oh yeah okay. That's that's weird. We didn't see that but okay. Yeah i'm with you. I feel like there's a fifty fifty shot at this point. Which actually you know compared to what we had with. Our previous general manager makes us a lot more interesting. I do think that font is seriously about the potential of adding additional picks In in what looks like a pretty decent draft class and it with where they're at number four. They could be in the driver's seat if the jets in miami stay in place and only one quarterback comes off the board. You could be sitting there at number four with justin fields. Or you know. Wilson still being available being the guy for another team And i think that this regime. At least i would like to think. We don't know anything for certain as you said we do not know who fought no is point I would like to think that they are thinking about the long term. And it one things to close out. One remind people of is one of the guys that font that he wants to model himself legendary. Gm ozzie newsome. One of the things. Some was known for was taking maximum advantage of the draft and trading back when when the opportunity arose and Newsom was not somebody that lot of trading up. He took advantage of players. That route that position. He was a firm believer in best player available. And he you know he did make moves to to pick up additional draft capital his time as gm so yeah. I think he is the wildcard here. Terry font no and ton of options in you know honestly this is in my mind. What makes the falcons really interesting. This offseason again. For the first time since two thousand and eight when thomas trough came in for the first time we have no clue what the future's gonna look like in that that uncertainty at least provides for a whole host of options to take into consideration. All right evan with that won't you remind our listeners where they can find what you have gone on can find me on twitter at field in our great content at south college dot com. I just wanted to mention one. Quick little thing though when you're doing your trust and stuff like that. And i don't know how much it goes into account but i think of i'm the gm what makes me nervous. Is you know. Just reminder in late january the nfl this being different times than what we're used to the nfl ban those private workouts and Prospects draft prospects from having visited the facilities and stuff now if you're a first year. Gm are you wanting to kinda of take a you know if you're not all in on a guy. Are you willing to kind of take that risk on one of the guys to is going to be attached to your job if he fails. I mean you're you're you could pretty much fail. It's happened before so absolutely such great point. Evan thank you again Ezra guys you can find on twitter at alchoholic d-w updates for this podcast at faculty pod and evan mentioned our articles daily alcohol com stay tuned. Guys we have a lot coming up with. Nfl free agency opening up the march and of course the nfl draft in april. 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Falcons vs Saints: Making Taysom Hill a Pro-Bowler

The Falcoholic

43:43 min | 10 months ago

Falcons vs Saints: Making Taysom Hill a Pro-Bowler

"Cash your sports knowledge and spd play the free to play sports betting contest with a five hundred dollar weekly prize enter today at sp play dot com and be sure to use the promo code sp nation to get some bonus cash in your bankroll. This is the fact hollick. Podcast official podcast at the atlanta falcons on dsp. Podcast dave walker joined by my partner in crime. Evan burchfield evan. How are you. I could be better. Yeah feel like you're speaking for all of atlanta right now given what we just witnessed as usual. We're here to recap the falcons game on sunday. In this case it was a loss to the hated rivals in new orleans the saints in week. Eleven of the twenty twenty. Nfl season the final score. Falcons nine that saints twenty four. They lost by fifteen and honestly. I don't think that tells the full story of the game. The saints moved to eight and two. They're at the top of the south. The falcons fall to three and seven their second loss under interim head coach he morris in arguably their most lopsided loss of the season under the new head coach. So that evan for me. This game was really about two halves. The falcons looked like they were mostly in it in the first half. I think the game was ten to nine at the end of the first half but the second half it was just a complete meltdown. By the falcons. They did not score again. completely outscored and of course saints just ran up. The score and ultimately ended up winning by fifteen. What's one of your main takeaways from this game That young wake. Who's pretty much. The only person showed up. I think the main takeaway for me is that regime morris will like. He's not going to be the head coach because there was speculation. You know not by me but by a lot of people that ho. He's in the running. To be the next falcons head coach. They went out and stop. They looked flat. There was no game plan. I mean there was but if you watch the game it's like if you have a game plan for this. You know the falcons. The falcons last game was november eighth. So if you wanna say from give him that day off in the next day off if you wanna say november ten to now november twenty second in. That's what they came up with in the saints didn't have drew brees as you mentioned tasting hill. They didn't have marshon lattimore their best corner in. That's that's what you put on the field. I mean it sucks. Because like i was kinda hoping for more like i don't have anything against him but i do think it's fair to be critical of him for keeping dirk cutter along in making absolutely no changes on offense of side of the ball which you can say. Oh well maybe. He didn't make any changes. He wasn't allowed to make change as well. The first thing he really did was fired. The special teams coordinator Ben kataoka whatever so he if he wanted to keep his job or like when the job i guess you could say Having tur- cutter in place to you know. Get the falcons in position to put up three field goals. That's not gonna cut it So well said. I couldn't agree with you more and i've seen people suggest that you know maybe morris didn't have a say in it but as you noted when the first things he did was fire. katsushika. We always get. It doesn't even matter because this exactly And you brought up the injury situation so coming into this game in drew brees with the multiple rib fractures. The punctured lung. He was put on injured reserve. So actually not only will we not face him in this game. We won't face him in two weeks when we played the saints again in atlanta And on top of that their top corner marshon lattimore was also out. Now i'd say the saints have some decent corners behind him so wasn't like the their quality fell off a cliff but it certainly opened up opportunities that should have been taken advantage of For the falcons. The only injury of note really was calvin ridley and he ended up playing so they came into this game pretty healthy with the exception of dante fowler who was on the covid nineteen list In obviously they don't have tack mckinley. So i think there was a good reasons. I think that they would not be able to consistently generate pressure without those guys because they haven't been able to do it even when they were in there But the falcons came into this game with some notable advantages tastes hills. I start ever in the nfl and yet this game just went sideways on them. One thing i wanna point out because as we're covering the game i often see some of the reactions from fans and matt ryan was sacked eight times in this game. We'll get to that as we get into the statistics in what we saw and i saw a few fans say matt needs to get rid of the ball and i understand the sentiment in. I know what you're thinking you're thinking okay. It's third down. He needs to throw it at the feet of the receiver. Here's the problem. And i just wanna address this. Because i saw a lot of people sort of harping on this number one when your quarterback is still inside the pocket. He can't just throw away will liable for being called for intentional. Grounding so a sack is essentially a sack anyways he's gonna lose yardage. Lose the down a number two in several of those occasions. All of the defenders are facing the quarterback and. I don't know if i could emphasize this enough. But if you're a quarterback and you don't have receivers open in your inside the pocket throwing it into the defense even if you're planning to throw it at the feet of your receiver throwing it into a defense that is facing u. Is asking one of those defenders to make a play on the ball. It is a dangerous play. There's a reason quarterbacks. Not just matt ryan. You can watch games from drew brees from some great quarterbacks of all time when those defenders are facing the quarterback they will not throw it. They'll take that sac in for good reason. They don't want to take the intentional grounding. They don't want to run the risk of giving a defender of the opportunity to make a play on the ball to to pull in interception And i feel like that. Needs to be noted because matt ryan did not have a great game and i don't think anyone's argue that but i think we should be fair about those criticisms. He took eight sacks. I put a lot of that on dirk cutter and his game plan. Maybe some on the offensive line in just frankly some of it. Just being the saints having a good pass rush But you have to look at the context of each play. It can't just be with every single sack. Matt ryan needs to throw the ball away and simply not how it works it may work that way. Madden that way in the nfl I wanted to point that out because a lot of people taking exception to me pointing out these things in frankly since we run this podcast gets event. Also interested real quick. When you're talking like that usually the replays they show it a little more slowed down when you're in the pocket light that from the single you see on tv. It's like how like you see the guys on the outside right. So when one of the edge rushers either on the blind side or the other side like surrounding him. We see it but that doesn't necessarily mean he sees it in the time it takes to throw the ball away without being intentional. Grounding does take time so it's like there's instances i'm not always going to defend it There are certainly times where you can throw the ball away. But there's a lot of times where it's better to just take the sack than to get your arm up and you're gonna get stripped you know and then there's a turnover exactly one hundred percent and i and i think that's a great point. It's for us when we're watching the game and we're seeing those plays in slow motion. We see the receiver down the right sideline streaking free and matt ryan's not throwing it. We think oh. He missed that pass and in real time. Sometimes that is literally a split. Second to your point. Evan which is a great point and again. I don't want to sound like i'm defending every single. Play that matt ryan hat. Because i want to be clear. I don't think he had a good game today. Yes so it lets. You wanna pull any punches. Matt ryan is certainly responsible for the plays. He doesn't make him for poor throws report decisions. But i also feel like we have to keep everything in perspective when it comes to the game because a lot of times it it becomes list pile onto this player and it's not necessarily one hundred percent fair to that guy especially when we like you said. I think it's a fantastic point when we get to watch things in slow motion these players. They don't get the play in slow motion Vegas to play where he has two and a half seconds to make a decision and you know. Sometimes he's just he moves off of that. Reading moves to the second one and that initial read may have freed up a split second later. And that's just sometimes not how it works All right we have you. And i have both vented a little bit Which is appropriate after a game like this. let's talk about the inactive. Infra game who was out for the falcons another some interesting names again in. Who was out for the saints in this game. So as you mentioned Dante fowler jr. is on a i r kovic players who are on i are like that like drew brees. They don't show up on the inactive list serve on injured reserve. So these are guys going into the game. Just rolled out for the game. So kurt banker This is falcons kurt banker. Who was called up recently to the active roster was inactive quadri. Allison who we've seen recently. Basically taking the spot of ito smith is was again inactive. So smith was back on the roster. undrafted free agent tyler hall a corner and john wetzel who pretty much just assume he's always going to be there and sonata was in another interesting one who was a gain. Active for the falcons For the saints. Marshon lattimore as you mentioned was out chase. Hinson linebacker offensive. Lineman kelly in josh hill running back wayne washington in defensive lineman malcolm roach so no big surprises there. Although we'll say the curious case of de dron sinatra continues with the falcons don't understand what's going on with him and you know i guess he's. He's a to down tackle he. He's a guy that's there to stop the run but again just really really weird how. He's being handled as a player anyhow. He's not or anything but he's not garbage either like serviceable. If you give him actual retz you and i both watched the pf stats and he has shown at least in that statistic to be a decent player. Brower the lease being active on game day. It's sort of weird that he doesn't get that opportunity. Oh he's he's definitely out. Say this much. I'm not gonna say great or anything. But there's people who were on the funds align who are on the continue to be on the active game day rosters who are not grading nearly as well as deodorant sonata which It shouldn't be surprising. For this. falcons team are some injuries. That happened during the game Michael walker a believe went out in the second quarter against the saints. I believe that was a hamstring injury. so he i don't think he returned later in the game Obviously the most notable name Injured during the game was julio jones. I think that was in the second half. He went into the blue tent at the beginning of second half and he did end up playing a few more snaps but it was clear that his hamstring was continuing to bother him. And i think it's fair to say that once he was out of the game. The falcons offense completely fell apart. Which again i think points more dirt cutter his inability to scheme a meaningful offense without julio jones Does about anything else. But those are the only two injuries that i noted during the game so evan. Let's talk about the falcons offense and what they did or didn't do maybe more accurately in this game. So why don't you give us the rundown of the statistics or first off. They scored no touchdowns it was field. Goals Since we don't have a special team section shout out to young who scored three field goals for the falcons the only points that the offense technically score today They got you know close at times and then just stalled in took the field goal. So but when we're kinda used to that kind of thing but matt ryan had a non great day. He went nineteen on thirty seven attempts. Two hundred and thirty two yards zero touchdowns two interceptions and a passer rating of forty eight point five which is not great at all like. Yeah no certainly you could say. This was his worst game season. Oh also oh sorry. Go ahead i was just one of the interceptions was on the hail mary so yeah but he also had some passes that were very close to being intercepted. Also not really his fault. But as you mentioned sacked eight times entering this game so through the first nine games. was Nineteen total times eight times in this game. So that kinda that kinda sums up the game. We're all but Running game was nonexistent. Todd gurley had eight carries for twenty six yards Brian hill had four carries for eighteen yards. Both players had long of seven yards in. You know going into this game. It was already noted. The saints had the second strongest. Are i guess. Toughest run defense in the league so not necessarily shocking but Yeah not great. In the receiving game. Calvin ridley led the day with nine targets in Five of the passes for ninety yards a long of forty six which i drive Russell gage had twelve targets. The most of anyone seven receptions for fifty eight yards As you mentioned. Julio jones pretty much a non factor had two receptions for thirty nine yards In that pretty much sums up the offense. I was kind of frustrating not to see allama days keys after his great game against the broncos Only one reception on one target for ten yards but not for some reason. Christian beliefs had four targets I think it's pretty clear that the kiss outside of jones ridley and you could you. Could you could say could technically be in the running for the third best receiver. But we'll give it to gauge for now like he should be targeted more in used more but incompetence in the play calling exists. So that is the falcons often. So i would say doesn't just exist it's predominant the calling. Yeah ongoing nonstop the saints defense on the other hand had quite the day as you noted eight sacks of matt ryan eight eight sacks that's ridiculous cam jordan who almost always has a big game against falcons. He had three sacks on the day behind him was David on your motto with two sacks trey hendrickson with two sacks And then one sack for tomorrow. Davis as you mentioned the two interceptions of matt ryan one of those went to safety marcus williams and another one to a corner janoris jenkins and just some other notable stats jenkins had five pass. Deflections on came Chauncey gardiner johnson who is one of the corners that had to step up in the absence of marshon. Lattimore had two pass deflections in total. Marcus williams mark davis quinnell exander. Shy total all added an additional pass. Deflections this was a game where their defense honestly looked legit but again. I think some of that comes down to dark cutter in his play calling. So i don't wanna give them too much credit because i feel like some of this comes down to the fact that dirt cutter really called quite a dreadful game and i think anyone that watched it. What's amazing is. I saw repeatedly it because i know we hammer at at the falko. Hollick on this podcast that we are tired of dirt cutter. I actually saw former players including eric. Weems ask what Dark cutter was doing and steve. Wsh- who's in a national. Nfl reporter used right for the ajc years ago. make some very critical comments of dirt cutter so that we're being unfair to cutter. Let me tell you. We're not the only ones noticing the absurd calling noticing the ineffective routes that he designs even national writers former players are noticing it and they're becoming more more audible. How bad a job. Dirk cutters currently doing So evan anything else you want to add about. What the falcons offense did on the day. Thank you again for pointing out young coup. And i think does deserve a ton of credit for what he did in the game. I think it's only fair. I've been harsh on him in the past and that was mainly because they didn't really seem to trust him. I mean he only had one attempt for fifty yards last year in twenty nineteen and it was ugly. But i mean it went through but it like hit the goalpost imbalanced in And it was like why are they not using him for long funerals now he he has struggled this year with some. Pat's but Aside from that. I mean he's been reliable. Unfortunately it hasn't really mattered a whole lot. Because you know you get nine points in your down you know. Losing twenty four to the saints That's usually do a whole lot but it's not. It's definitely not his fault. He's literally the only person not to blame. I mean you're going to hear it a lot. Not just by us from everybody and you know any site you follow any you know. Re- writer dirk koetter is not doing great and it's been like that for far too long. In my opinion you know the the whole remorse. Moore's thing not not making any any changes you know on offense kind of showed that like there's no long term here because Is the problem like we saw today. The play calling. You can say what you want about the defense. The play calling was just vanilla at best nothing creative. You know the saints and it was only a matter of time. As you mentioned it was nine to ten in the second quarter and it looked like well. This could be like a terrible game. Where the falcons somehow like score on accident in win the game By it was only a matter of time for the saints to kind of heat up because you know tastes them hill. As you mentioned first game he started. didn't look great early on or anything. But it when you're in these kinds of holes where you've got incompetence on the falcons side and you've got a quarterback who's starting his first game who isn't really even that good to begin with You know having his first game in their going against each other usually what wins out in that kind of situation in. You can look at statistics. Back it up is whoever has the better head coach. Because they're gonna make decisions as the game progresses especially after halftime and. I think that's what we saw the saints just after halftime knew what to do knew what not to do. The falcons just kept doing what they were doing which wasn't working to begin with perfectly said and i think that is going to be a recurring fame until we finally see a change in this coaching staff. Which i think is after this game. Looks like it's almost a given so before we go into. What the falcons defense did against the saints offense. We're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back. Spd plays the weekly sports betting contest. Challenging you to bed realize on your favorite sports with no real risk sharpen your betting strategies and track your record as you can be with other fans around the nation for a five hundred dollar weekly cash prize. Enter for free today. Spd play dot com. And be sure to use the promo code. Sp nation to get some bonus. Cash in your bankroll bryson just turned on five g. Across the country with the coverage of five g nationwide into more and more cities the unprecedented performance of wideband. The fastest five g in the world ultra wide ban is so fast. You can download an album. In seconds fries and five g won't just change how your phone works. It will change. How businesses do everything. This is at the five g. America's been waiting for only from verizon vijay ultra wideband available only in parts of select cities five nationwide available in eighteen hundred plus cities global claim based on open signal independent analysis during the period january thirty first through april thirtieth twenty twenty. We're back on the falcons. Podcast dave walker joined by my partner emmett. Burchfield recapping the falcons loss to the saints in the division twenty. Four to nine in the world ends the saints. Go to falcons go to three and seven. We've talked about what the falcons offense did in the incompetence there. I wanna talk about what. The seitz did on offense. And what the falcons did on defense. Because is i guess a little bit more interesting As we mentioned breweries. I'm sorry. Drew brees did not playing this game. We will not see him again this year. At least unless the falcons make the playoffs. That's not happening. And the fact is with his injury. He will not play in two weeks because he is on injured reserve so the soon as he will play as the game. After the falcons in a few weeks and honestly we're at the point now where it doesn't even matter we. We've we win against a quarterback who started for the first time in his career in tastes hill and we made him look like a pro baller. Which i know is getting tiresome for falcon spans. No it's exhausting to see this defense. Continue to prop up players. That honestly should not look this good and against the competent defense would not look this good and yet here. We are so evan. Why don't you give us the story. On what the saints did offensively based on the statistics so tastes Hill had twenty. Three throws eighteen of them were caught for two hundred thirty three yards no touchdowns or no interceptions but a passer rating of one elite point nine he also doubled obviously on the ground as a running back so he had ten carries for fifty one yards two touchdowns along twenty. That's kind of where he did the most damage. But i think what helped the saints. The most was they were able to use him as a runner but as a passer he was still pretty effective. I mean two hundred thirty three yards. He had one more yard. Matt ryan passing so Aside from thiessen hill running the ball. Alvin kamara in latavius. Murray actually had almost the exact split on kerry's Kamara had thirteen carries for forty five yards and a touchdown while murray had twelve carries for forty nine yards no touchdowns receiving game Michael thomas who has been not great all year deal with injuries in punching teammates. Whatever you had all the obviously had his best game of the season. Because that's just. I mean i would have bet my fortune. He's gonna have the best game this season so like. Naturally it was against falcons but nine receptions twelve targets for hundred four yards Didn't score but didn't matter You know lots of lots of slant route saying they were effective so we can do Manual sanders had four catches for sixty six yards One of which was thank. God brought back on a flag because he was denard in the end zone. Yes yup and it was like a fifty yard throw but It ended up coming back because of our holding. I believe they're center mccoy of so latavius. Murray had two receptions thirty six yards in that pretty much sums up the offense They were effective against this fountains. Defense which should surprise. Nobody exactly in. I think that's really the thing that i think. Many falcons fans felt confident about coming into this game was the fact that we would be playing a saints team with tatum. Hill at quarterback instead the drew brees and granted drew. Brees has not been himself. You know he has over forty. It's clear that his arm is not what it used to be. He is not the same quarterback he used to be even saints fans. Know that at this point. Like i've seen st. spans. Basically relent say drew. Brees is not the man he used to be which is expected. You know these quarterbacks eventually age catches up to all of us and yet it tastes him. Who has never started in the nfl game in his career. He didn't even get more than ten snaps in any game. In twenty twenty. He had no more than ten touches in any game. Twenty twenty. that is stunning. That he he started the entire game. And what to me. What stands out was. Even the within the falcons chat. We all talked about this. We thought that Sean payton was bluffing. We thought that he was basically saying. Oh yeah tastes hills gonna start but then he was going to stick jameis winston in there to really throw most of the passes. But no winston. I don't think. I don't think he played no. I'm wrong even play so tastes hill was generally the starting quarterback. There was no smoke and mirrors. Here from sean payton and let me be clear sean. Payton would sell his mother out if it meant getting an edge on another nfl team. That is who sean payton is. But no he started tasting hill. Who they're paying ten and a half million dollars per year and he had a career game of course. Against the falcons. Defense as for. What the falcons defense did they did. Have a few sacks. Greg jarrett alan bailey combined for a half a sack each On early on in the game in it killed one of the saints earlier. Drives in the first half dion jones had a sack on the blitz. One of the rare very few blitzes we saw in the game which was head-scratching in an of itself. Charles harris also got sort of a cleanup sack. An i think i may not be right about this. I think charles harris actually leads the team in sacks right. Now i'll have to go back and double check that stat. But i'm pretty sure he leads the team in sacks right now which is sort of a sad sad thing. The falcons came into the leading. Pass rusher because yeah i think. The only his only competition was greedy. Jerry jones so yeah exactly and to be fair to charles harris. I don't wanna criticize him too much. He was not brought in to be a top pass. Rusher so the fact that we're getting you know three or four sacks him is is a good development but again it just sort of shows. You where the falcons defense yes. That's not that's not. Charles harris slander. That's falcons planning exactly exactly charles. You're great and doing earn. His keep he was what a seventh round conditional or something trade exactly so those warriors make the team yup we. we're happy with charles harris giving sacks. We're not happy. With the fact that the falcons are yet again at the bottom of the league in sacks as far as tackles kiana. Neil led the team with seven darkwa denard with six dion jones. Aj both had five in the handful of players from that point forward A couple of guys that stood out denard had a little bit of a rough game got called for some penalties early on in. You know he's recently coming off of the list so on the one a hammer on him too much. aj rail. I thought had a decent game. And even though michael thomas had one hundred plus yards if you go back and look at the game. It was because there was absolutely zero pressure on tatum hill. And there's only so long that your corners can stay imperfect coverage so again. I think the first round rookie has looked good this season. I continue the impressed by him in his play his growth in a very difficult rookie season without training camp without preseason games he continues to impress And honestly i don't feel like the defense was the problem this game. Even though they gave up again twenty four points to a taste. Them hill led team. I don't look at this unit and think. Oh man they were the reason they lost. I still don't know about you. Evan will ask you this second. I still feel like the offense was. The major disappointment is game. The offense with high paid players with first round draft picks all across the board with hayden. Hearst who is barely targeted in the game this part of the team in my mind is what let down the entire team. It was the offense. And what the offense. We take offense defense offense. It was the offense that failed to live up to their part of the bargain. Even though we can point to the defense in point out individual plays. I still feel like it was dirk cutter. The play calling the execution of the offense that alternately led to this blowout win for new orleans. What do you think do you agree or do you feel like the defense still has a good way ago go not. I definitely agree. I think it's you know it was solely on the offensive shoulders You could sit there and nit-pick about certain stuff on the defense by you know for some reason you know tastes hill is just good. Like against like go in certain plays and stuff against any team It seemed like i see this guy. Run up the middle. And it's all completely obvious like when he scored that rushing one of the rushing touchdowns it was completely obvious he was gonna take and they didn't even touch him until he got me. This was like basically at the goal. Line folks It's it's you know but that's hard to scheme against anybody as you said you're a lot of us at the phone call like we thought it was. Bs that tastes a male. was you know. Maybe he started a couple like did like a driver too but we wouldn't have thought oh jameis. Winston would have nothing in this game. understand tatum. Hill hasn't thrown a touchdown pass since twenty. Sixteen when he was at byu and that was to mitchell. Jury god against utah state This man just be falcons. In hasn't thrown a touchdown pass collegiate or nfl. Since twenty sixteen. Like so. I guess it is the defense fall. I don't know it's it's this old fear you might not like. I'm not gonna except for young way waco. He's the only one who who you know. Nobody yellen he's spot. Yeah but like. It's just overall. I mean if i had to choose one side of the ball offense because they had three. They had nine points. i just. They were inspired playcalling with vanilla as i mentioned earlier. Just nothing to be excited about on offense. And you have julio jones who obviously dealt with something but calvin ridley just i know. We had nine targets by just seem like the game plan for him was just annoying. Ford forty-six came off. One play I 'cause it's crazy too. Because they started. You're so strong. I think the first. What couple of games gauge ridley. And julio all we're going all yeah. I don't know i'm dumbfounded by it but i think it's going to be interesting because we still have the saints again. We got a tough schedule. Still going forward By this game pretty much put to bed. The bed the hey. Let's bring rigging morris back because his team needs a complete wash in my eyes just from top to bob. Yeah it's if there's one positive that comes out of this game. It's that the talk that and honestly. It was an article that published this morning at the alcoholic. That came from jason lockenfora. Take it with a grain of salt. Jason has a bit of a a history But he was saying that. Essentially the falcons were considering raheem morris as a long-term head coaching candidate. I think this game may have cemented that this team this organization needs a fresh start period. The the dan quinn era. Which really is if you look at. It fairly is continuing into the remorse era. It needs to come to an end. There is something about what dan quinn between two thousand seventeen and now that has broken this franchise and it pays me say. Say that because along with almost everyone else. I'd love dan quinn as a person. I thought he was fantastic. I really like where he morris as a coach. I think that he deserves another chance. Somewhere else. I just don't think it needs to be in atlanta in this game in my mind has cemented the fact that the team needs to move on. It's time to move on. It's time to write off. This era of the falcons a it's time to look for some fresh blood across the entire coaching. Roster don't keep anybody at this point for me it. That is the one blessing in disguise out of this loss to the saints. I do not like losing to the saints. I hate this team with a passion. I cannot describe going back to the days of the nfc west. For those of you're old enough to remember the falcons playing the saints in the nfc west and yes. That actually happened. Yeah i am not right exactly yes. And the what. S when it was the falcons the saints the rams and the forty niners in one division. Yes that used to be a division going back to those days. I hate this team. But this loss i think cemented the fact that this coaching staff needs to go. You play the backup quarterback you lost twenty four to nine You could not figure out how they use your a expensive first round weapons to put up more than three field goals in the first half. It's an embarrassment. You deserve the shame that people are throwing at you. And honestly falcons fans deserve better than this. We deserve with all of the crap we've pulled from this franchise to still be fans. We deserve better than to watch kind of product on the field every single week. It's time to make a change arthur blank. I hope you do it. I believe you will. I do believe that this is going to spell. The end of this is painful as it may be so evan We have a few more games close out the season. Next game at home against the raiders after that against the saints any closing thoughts about this loss on the road against division rival. Buckle up folks. Because it's gonna be bumpy. I don't know. I mean the season's done officially done like if you're still like on the hopes that this team might run the table and make a playoff spot which was technically possible in technically still possible because they could go win out and go nine seven going to happen and put that out there but you know i think the only thing you should really do if you feel like watching these games and i certainly and dwi certainly wouldn't blame you if you decided to take the kids to the or go for a walk instead or whatever you choose to golfing. I don't know The thing to pay attention to is the pieces that are gonna stick around And by that. I mean for lucon looking at aj terrell. There's some good talent here. that's gonna be you know allama days and is there's there's some talent here that the next regime you know is going to have in place all the you know you look at certain guys like obviously edge rusher. There needs to be some changes in stuff. But there's some pieces here still i think. Russell gauges super good. I i love are wide receiver depth. Yep i would prefer to see like some more practice squad guys make the roster But the thing that scares me is remorse. Doesn't care about you. Know what is roland. Look light so maybe next year blah blah blah like. He's not going to be here next year. They're not going to evaluate the talent on the practice squad by would like to see kind of guys like that Be called up. Austin wet edwards defensive end on the practice squad be called up Just to see how they do. You know so. Just enjoy it folks. I mean it's football. It's better than nothing as terrible as this team is Yeah i mean. I'm just trying to be optimistic here because it's too. Yeah you brought up a great point. Evan with everything that's going on world i'll be on this. I'm quite surprised how well the nfl has held up in this time. We've gotten despite the pandemic that's going on. In the increase in cases across the entire country we continue to have. Nfl games every single week. Which i think is honestly been an amazing accomplishment. And i'm so grateful to be able to watch info games in the midst of all this or else. I don't know where we would be mentally so with. That said you know we were coming up to thanksgiving coming up into the holidays I do want to say to any of our listeners. Who were listening. Please please please. Please stay safe out. There we're rounding some corners. I do feel like we're on the cusp of getting back to some level of normalcy. So please take care of yourselves. Take care of your families to care for your loved ones. be smart about the holidays in do what you can to keep people healthy into twenty twenty one so evan with all of that said why. Don't you tell our listeners can find you. Were what you've got going on. Yeah you can find me on twitter at emerge 'field on the falcon hollick along with the rest of our talented writers Yeah nothing exactly going on. I'm sure they'll be plenty of dirk cutter talk on the website week but yeah as dwi said just have a safe. Happy thanksgiving one thing to look forward to next time. We played the saints. Where we're not throwback there you go something a little more detail we've gotta take. Victors where we can find them from you guys you find me on twitter fs alcohol. Gw updates on our podcast at pod. And of course checkout alcoholic dot com daily write ups update david walker. Thank you guys for listening in. We'll talk with you next time. Today's show is brought to you by. 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Falcons vs. Cardinals: A win that became a loss

The Falcoholic

37:33 min | 2 years ago

Falcons vs. Cardinals: A win that became a loss

"Any Ninja Warrior Fan guys. Walking to the Falcons Alex Post Game podcast two thousand nine hundred seasons week six want to know more about what your favorite Ninjas have on their minds check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen I down which felt very reminiscent of the two thousand twelve through two thousand fourteen Ryan he had here with Lanta but again I was very critical of Dirk during the game because he did have this tendency I felt to continue to try to run up the Middle Perfect Austin Hooper eight targets a reception hundred seventeen yards touchdown perfect the next two top receiving I think there are things to be talked about in that regard but they certainly were not the issue this week and I know you know a lot of fans are going to look at Matt obviously the missed extra point looms large but thirty three plus points this feels like this is more about the defense and they found another way to lose another close game in in honestly at one in five this Falcons team feels like what they did on offense because you talked before the podcast and I think this is a great point that you made when your offense scores thirty plus points often scores thirty plus points that should be more than love to win the game and yet here they are thirty three points on top of that he had three three targets in he call three passes for thirty yards in two touchdowns the one being what would have been the game winner the defensive coordinator who also happens to be coach so let me Know Evan what you think about the offense and the responsibility to had in this heartbreaking losses for this team this year on the that's that's a pretty pretty tough thing to do with they've lots some games this year but and Devante Freeman they were committed to using him in both the run an passing game he he finished with nineteen carries for eight yards solid day in this week he did not screwed up the offense was what it needed to be to get the job done yeah it's funny options were were what they needed to be. Julio Jones and Calvin Ridley having over a combined hundred and fifty some yards and a touchdown Fridley oh he managed to put offense on the field that scored over thirty points for the second straight week so I still think there are issues with the offense when you look at it like what Matt Ryan did thirty thirty six three hundred and fifty six yards four touchdowns zero interceptions hundred and forty four point nine passer rating that actually came believe on the first Dr which was like the first touchdown the Falcons had all season dirt skinny past and again I'm on the point back to two thousand eighteen where we saw this happened a few times where the Falcons offense scored thirty points still managed to lose the game name the two of US rarely ever point out or draw attention to game yeah the I mean the offense did its job Pretty much focused on the players he should have been focusing on all season Ryan say he should have hit that extra point I agree you know you need your kicker to hit those but when you get to the point where referees in the game on average the play calls tend to balance out over the season but for the now I do want to touch on one thing because I know myself Dave Chote who is the editor at the foul colic we were talking about this during the floundering and yet they're still a lot of things in this game that happened that the that we need to talk about and I want to start with you have to have your kicker hit that thirty four point just to potentially force overtime something else has gone horribly wrong with that because the only way you could actually believe that was a first down is if you couldn't see that's the only way because if you have well you know what they saw they thought they saw Blah Blah Blah it doesn't matter what they thought they saw they were wrong he didn't touch him he he gave him a path this time I feel like this was easily one of the worst refereed games I've seen in recent memory they had You know a play call where the AH there appear to be a clear fumble by the receiver for The cardinals they called a phantom penalty on the Falcons are you doing the fouth member missed an extra point and yeah that's that's yeah yeah it's as as you know that they did lose they lost thirty four to thirty three and arguably one of the more have a referee official or former referee official blanking on his name but you'd all know if you saw him he came on in you know the rest of the game that led up to this point that you needed that extra point to begin with if you score thirty three points you should not be we look at that one play that stands out people say oh well Matt Brian should've hit it and we would be talking about the tie game and maybe going into overtime in never should've gotten to thirty four points doctor you think that these bad calls were in this game while they definitely were because as you mentioned the one on the Pie in the falcons actually you know everybody's he's never he's a former referee so he's never going to say the refs are blind the rest don't know what they're looking at bad call Blah Blah Blah he basically tight rope did on like going into a tie game you should be winning this game by three ten you know however many points in and I think that is the larger issue in this game is we look at this actually reach for he ran out of bounds with the ball at his hip I have if you go on twitter at Burchfield you can look at the picture for yourself clearly stepped out of bounds the balls at his hip talk about the map Brian Thing but the falcons were able to stop the cardinals they did stop them cuyler Murray should have been able to get the first down but he didn't look at the ball the do didn't see it would have been interference because you have to give him at least a a an like room to catch the ball Do Not oh you didn't okay we'll beasley basically was flagged for a Horse Collar which I'm not saying it's a wrong rule because apparently I saw earlier in the a good yard maybe away from a first down should be a fourth one which then you know if you wanna say the cardinals would Iran and got the first down enormous circumstances I really do believe that the reps do their best call it even those calls usually don't have a sway on the game but origin of the game on the punt in interfering with the point where our player wasn't even the punt returner how much mm-hmm fair I probably bet on that by it doesn't matter because the REF said they reviewed in said you know what this this is the first town in I don't know how they came away started backing away in then if bounced or whatever in the Ref saw as niece men didn't give him enough room to on the backside of their Jersey Kinda like hooked your hand inside and yanked him down that would be like a horse calling Beasley was able to grab Murray's if that makes sense of what they did what he did was as the ball was dropping to him usually that's what punt returners will do they'll see dropping to them in ref shouldn't be you know they have their jobs to officiate in it's getting to the point league-wide where reps aren't doing their job You know the yeah and I know it's something that I'm very hesitant under normal circumstances to bring up because Russell Wilson the Brown's got bit by when one of their defenders did it to Russell Wilson in that's why I thought was funny because it's like at that moment I was like well that's a weird back off on their own with their heads still up there forfeiting that they're not you know because he already waved his hand he wasn't going he was fair catching it but what he did was he someone on the plane they said he was interfered and he didn't even touch the guy in you can tell too because if you watch it in they usually factor in this but thirty four points by the defense is a big factor and I think the again with any NFL game you can at what point are they going to get to be where you can't even touch these quarterbacks I dunno it's secular in my opinion is ultimately the the main culprit here there's plenty there's plenty of blame to go around they'll get me wrong when you look at the final results I used to when I was growing up it was normal to see a quarterback holding everybody remembers that early do that play where Romo fumbled it trying to run game and that's what I thought was fascinating because I never heard of this apparently happened in offseason but now horse caller used to be if he grabbed I believe underneath the helmet or and that's a problem it's definitely a problem and again just to emphasize the I think we agree on this the Falcons defense is ultimate vision you could see that was not down into shame to see a game in like that the reps definitely played a big part of the the one they said who was at me you can easily see fourteen points in this game that were direct results of you know some of these flags got thrown or didn't get thrown mentioning that he hasn't had mad bosscher actually holding for him in a while to nine royal because Matt Shaab I believe did today which you know through dissect multiple place the game where there was dropped passes or you know poor play calls whatever it is but when you get to the point where you score thirty three the end zone or whatever on you know he didn't see starting quarterbacks you you'd see you know now you never see quarterbacks holding it in in the game I think it was Tennessee Games where Bosscher actually stranded I need to do research on it because I might actually be something worth looking at offense and you lose hesitant to put too much blame on on the offense were the people who are putting points on board so to return the ponder tax upon or whatever it's a bad call another bad call that pretty much just screwed the fountains yet the officiating was terrible today if there was something already in in the play so you know I think it's again I'm going to be A worth mentioning is I don't know anything about the kicking game I've said on previous editions of our podcast but it it may be well you can't tackle him by the name plate now what what does that even mean by his towel now gang unfortunately for kickers the memory is this stay strong so before we get into the second half of this podcast at this game the defense I think deserves the plurality of the blame can you blame Bryant for that Mis kick certainly he is he is tastefully named play in drag him down or like tackle him down or whatever they call dental worst caller so apparently that's a rule now earlier in the day I watched really make excuses but you know he gets hit like him and Julio Jones's Julio Jones Trump's a wide open touchdown like against the panthers we weren't kicking off the team because he didn't get married to I I'm not sure if you mentioned it but the Beasley one where they said it was a horse collar did you mention we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants we warned middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights Yeah I don't know just sucked it happened in that moment you know 'cause everyone's GonNa obviously remember that so because it's like he's having different holders or whatever every week it seems like so I don't know maybe he did shake it completely I don't help but take a quick break we'll be right back check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts for a behind the scenes look at all the action of the show and more with your competitors listening subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Hey I'm Spencer Hall I'm Holly Anderson I'm Ryan Nanny I'm Jason Kirk and announcers fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for recall and then later on it's screw the Falcons so yeah that was another one a big one you know ticky tacky never heard of it but apparently it's a thing now which I mean you know tight end he had one catch for twenty one yards I'd like to see him more involved Luke stocker had one catch usually the punter but bosscher you know dealing with that injury and then went on I r so I think last week was what map wile or whatever was last week yes Riyan apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP and we're back on the alcohol post game podcast recapping the options he had a brilliant game I think it's easy to say that he was far from The reasons that we lost this game devante Freeman the Julio Jones eight receptions one hundred eight yards Calvin early four for forty eight and a touchdown and devante pull the in three receptions in two of those breather and it was just like a change of pace thing and then you know you saw finally saw Graham who we've we saw looking good in preseason he's our third offense on this game before we talk about the defense there's some issues about their number one Matt Ryan Thirty for thirty six three hundred fifty six yards four touchdowns no interest we're the hosts of the shutdown forecast avengers of college football podcast it says in the script to riff on what that means and basically what I mean is this all already spoiled every Tuesday mm-hmm You WanNa find out like why why did that happen you know flukes do happen even to the best of them so you know hopefully that's all it was anelle waiting for the fun is slowed by responses so nineteen eighty eight yards for four point six average he clearly had his best one of his best rushing games this entire season looked much much better the Atlanta Falcons visiting the Arizona Cardinals joining me as always is my co host and fellow writer at the alcohol. Evan Burchfield Evan maybe some worth looking at yeah I mean I think it's a fair point you know Matt Brian has been so consistent that I think he deserves at least the benefit of the doubt and going back and looking it was Kinda like a change of pace receiver he had three receptions twenty nine yards like they can they came when Julio was basically getting a breather Ridley was getting wrong in this game there's a lot but I want to recap real quickly for the podcast for those listening some of the statistics we saw from the Falcons her and then on the receiving side Austin Hooper lead with eight receptions for hundred seventeen yards and the touchdown I have him fantasy team thank you Mr Hooper Falcons thirty four to thirty three loss on the road to the Arizona cardinals in week six this is Dave Walker I'm here with Burchfield we're talking about the specifics of what went hesitant to throw Matt Bryant on the bus especially with how he's been for spur for sewing only one he should make don't let me take that you know you targeted one time it went for zero yards it was nice to see mcgarry have a reception nothing nothing the freemen barely have any carries you've got to commit you know that's the thing I think people forget with running backs you have to commit to you can't do this like split carry touchdown so a really good game for Freeman anyone stand out to you on offense that you think deserves special attention uh-huh Right now oh oh he actually was expecting it to happen well w yeah McGee in this cardinals game I I mean I liked seeing you know the usual the guys who should be used used by if the three yard game yeah his first career reception basically got popped up hit off a cardinals guy and he came back Elliot dive into it I thought the news role was like what I would love to see some news roby he kinda was like You know you've heard a change of pace backs from podcast if you want to but basically what mean w have been saying as like us these people don't like Ridley have one targeted a game take for native three yards and that was exciting yeah but I mean I just like seeing you know what I you know you can religion all these L. to I hate seeing Xiang getting in the way of wins weather it's exactly regardless of who it is season stuff because what we would see when it was freeman in Coleman was they would struggle you know obviously twenty six teams at something but they would struggle together like nobody neither of them would have like a solid rushing day but then one of them would be out for injury in either Kalman would go off or if it was free you guys all the way down the depth chart to to beat us whether it was Demeer Bird Trent Sherfield Max Williams new ways to let the other team beat us but it wasn't that they're number two receiver was beating us it was that for Murray he was finding chase edmunds he had multiple guys with receptions on this Falcons defense that kept their drives alive what is your takeaway much much better form and this game was easily one of the best he's had in recent memory so fantastic performance from him ESPEC- A statistic thirty for thirty six three fifty six four touchdowns receptions this should show you the quarterback wins is a stupid eighty seven for three hundred forty yards endo interceptions and no sacks again another quarterback that has a about what this cardinals offense did to this Dan Quinn lead defense yeah I think you mentioned it well how he was basically they had a clean pocket basically for the entire day again the rushing in it feels like they were better than this the card really when you consider that he was under pressure very large large portion of the game so with that the defense I those rushing Game David Johnson twelve carries thirty four yards. That was it chase edmunds five for thirty four it was really in the the receiver and then as you mentioned hooper has just had a career season he really like he's really wanting to get paid and good for him would you need from your running back in I'm glad they didn't like Goo shy away from him. Ito Smith had three carries that's fine It was good to see Freeman back because he has taken a lot I'm hesitant to talk about them because of what happened I want to talk first about what column early Cuyler Murray did to defense he went twenty seven hunting season but going into this game the cardinals are literally the worst defense against tight ends in Hooper did his job aid targets eight receptions hundred seventeen yards ask games like AJ Brown how he went off in will fuller obviously instead of just using that second guy which would have been bird or maybe Sherfield he flack I've even been critical of because there was times this year where just looked rough he had a solid day you know any would have been the yeah I said go you know not to toot my own horn here but going into this game I was saying I mean I was saying hooper was gonNA have Assan year combined a bunch of dudes in spread it out to all these other guys that I think that's Charles Clay who had two receptions like I thought he was stolen the bills thirty points that should be winnable but our defenses allowing you know gone allow more than thirty points a game you're going to lose the game that's just you know l. goes and I I mean I don't think in the NFL today you can give up over thirty points channel no one more you can expect probably good for him yeah absolutely and I think again for those who count QB wins but he got it to enough guys I mean they had looking at their stats here they had three guys go over sixty yards receiving and then they had three guys over thirty he was gonNA play football again and then all of a sudden on the cardinals I had no idea chase edmunds you. Know he got his in the receiving game Geek he basically you know our field had one for thirty eight at they didn't I think the big story in this game with the defense it wasn't like last week their funding number one the defense is finding Zain's before you start writing the history book on them but regardless rookie QB rookie head coach a team that has struggled this year you know I think Colin Murray he showed enough today where I was like you know that's solid and stuff but there were so many missed opportunities where the falcons just calling the shots that many people thought would be a a much better defense and if anything what we have seen that's a solid day for Kyle Mary Mariota you know we were talking about in the solid day he had he got benched today against the Denver Broncos did stupid statistic please drop it and Matt Ryan Is Still Good Matt Ryan is still good he he since the grabbing people who I didn't even know it was on the team like Phero Cooper he was the one who played for the rams and I believe he was at a guy that got shot in light it wasn't even sure ah shut him he's ordering this season off pretty rough but I would say we're to pass a two and a half games he has been in less several weeks is this is a criminally bad defense and I believe this point we're outpacing yes and it wasn't one receiver fitzgerald had six for sixty nine David Johnson had six hundred sixty eight bird had to for sixty trencher the two thousand seventeen to eighteen defense which was injury riddled which was missing many key players we are outpacing that defense from points per dion Jones have missed tackle and I think fans were ready to set him on fire so figure that one out eh you know on

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The Falcoholic Live: Ep129 - Draft season is here for the Falcons

The Falcoholic

1:34:47 hr | 9 months ago

The Falcoholic Live: Ep129 - Draft season is here for the Falcons

"Alcoholic podcast listeners. Welcome to another episode of the alcoholic. Live this is your host. Kevin night here to give you an update on a few things that we've been working on so as you guys know. We do shows at on wednesdays at ten p. pm eastern. We also do post. Game shows following the games You can also now Subscribe to the show on patriotic to get some exclusive benefits including ad free versions of these podcasts and also we have started our discord server which was requested feature so look for the link on youtube or on our twitter page. If you'd like to join the conversation on discord without further ado guys enjoy the show. Thank you fellow alchoholic. What is up. Welcome to episode one. Twenty nine of the alchoholic live. I'm your host. Kevin night at all. Kevin on twitter joined by a full house of guests this evening. First of all we have with us. Evan burchfield. He's on twitter at evan burchfield. Very easy to remember. Evan how are you doing this evening. Good i just hope. Everyone had a great holiday and twenty twenties stover and we'll be in the twenty twenty one. Yeah yeah. I'm i'm looking forward to that. That's for sure. Also with us tonight eric. Robinson eric how're you doing this evening. Good man black. Monday is around the corner. Oh yeah there you go. Yeah we're going to have some exciting times. I think so. That'll be interesting but yeah he's at underscore. Eric underscore robinson by the way on twitter. Guys don't wanna don't wanna leave the twitter plug out but yeah we're gonna get into some stuff tonight. Talk a little bit about the game for those. That missed the post game. I took a look at the plate. Cylinder cutters playcalling. Miraculously i only had to watch the first drive to find a lot to nitpick so. That was interesting. But we're gonna get into the game a little bit. Get the takes from from some of us who weren't on the post game show. We're going to get in to the most recent head coach and general manager rumours. That's earned heat up now. Only one week left in the season. And then we're also going to take your questions about the draft and free agency as title is draft. Season is here We're definitely going to be getting into lots of draft takes and free agency takes and all that so before we jump in there. If you don't mind throwing a like at the video that helps other folks find the show on youtube and if you're not already subscribed subscribe help us out there Check out the discord and the patriots. All that good stuff and we appreciate your support By the way. So let's jump right into this game. I know odd non. And i broke down the game in some detail post game so i wanted to get your guys thoughts that you get the first crack at this Obviously it was a close game It was pretty exciting. You know we we saw khoo was missed. Was it a blocked kick. It seems like maybe there's more belief that it's blocked kick now. But what was your general. Take away from the game. It was kind of a flip. The script situation for the falcons team. So i lost. I can't hear you buddy media. Yeah sorry about that. Trying to get in the habit of beating myself. Yeah it takes some getting. Ucf yeah So what i was saying was it was just a weird game in general Nobody you know was honestly thinking. We even had a chance. I was expecting it to be like forty two. Maybe seven by halftime Chiefs offense largely light struggled Just because the falcons defense Holding them to seventeen points. They've scored this whole season. Twenty two or more points pretty much. Every game is like in the thirties. But i think somebody had him at twenty. Two so outcomes played them the toughest. Apparently that anybody's played them all season. They didn't bench starters like some people thought they would mahomes at one interception but he technically could have had three just across the board their run defense. I mean the run game obviously not Clyde edwards helaire blake plenty on bail seven carries for thirty yards and daryl williams got in there with ten series for forty six yards so they weren't overall successful on the ground trying to celsius really damn good I haven't watched a whole lot of chiefs obviously this year But the times i have. That's been you know pretty much kelsey tie retail in you'll get light hartman or robinson who factor in. But i don't know it was weird because it's like you go in expecting the falcons to not be competitive at all in really where If you ignored the records l. Apply to competitive teams playing each other Matt ryan had a solid day. After you know here. Probably everything. All week ito smith was supposed to be the go to guy and he did get. The most carries only had three more terrorism. Brian hill and i thought he was running pretty well at least up until the first half in i mean across the board the falcon link. Calvin ridley had five receptions for one hundred thirty yards. I thought he looked really good. One actually used them. He didn't hers to in some games. It's one catch had five catches in a touchdown in you know. We got to see a little. Chris roland Back there in the return. Game for brennan. Powell who was on the practice or the injury report on practicing today so we might get another crack. Asean him next week. As he kind of looked i think one of them bounced probably within the five or whatever they probably should affair caught And that's okay. That's his first game. I love seeing Roland finally getting some action matt hennessy. On at center for the first time. And we've seen him at left guard but his troop position. It was a tough opponent in. I think that's important in the falcons haven't done in recent years where at least they're getting some of these younger guys out there to see if they're going to be relevant to the roster going forward You know in past years they would just play all the starters China win their job. Kudos to more at least letting some of these young guys youth blame injuries to money. Some of these young guys get some actual action Sounds like alex mack by Good for next week. So that could be his final game You know stuff like that. I love seeing gone out there. we'll see It was a loss in the end. You know the young who thing you can blame it. As being a block block acre. He dismissed the kick But to the banner because the way he protected the tank. He's a true legend in the end when we're asking third We're not gonna care that he missed the cake. Yeah so. I mean it'll be cool. Yeah do wanna see him gay. Those kind of cakes aid as great as season. He's had what makes the great kickers. From interviewing like moore anderson the thing he kept stressing. And i know you did interviews with him to in your can probably relate to this by. He's big on. You know every done a leg. Two legs really But what makes the gray ones from the good kickers who will have a couple of years is what's between the ears that's what he always says. You know how how they are in those pressure situations when you're taking with your team down by fourteen in there really no chance of winning. It's a little easier but when the games on the line against the defending super bowl champions in you could go you know in overtime to potentially beat them even though they probably wouldn't but as here nor there to give your team a chance to do that and then you miss Especially on. I think it was like a thirty nine yard field goal so it wasn't like a fifty four something you want your take your make those These young an island count the teams kind of not attacked him. Obviously but remorse space told him he loved him in. You know that's what you want from a young kicker Who you want to turn into your franchise kicker for the next hopefully decade You don't want him to get in these situations in going forward. I mean getting any situations where he's panicking earth. He's thinking back to Should i hope. I don't miss again. You know you want to feel calm. But that's pretty much my thoughts. I know i'm just rambling at this point but It's already wednesday somehow so it seems like a long time ago. Yeah it does. Kind of yeah. It's kind of wild. I i agree with what you said. I liked the performance of hennessy. Quite a bit more than going to both of them had tough matchups. Derek nowadays no joke and christians jones in there. I think jones generally was going to get gets lindstrom but go no really did not seem very comfortable on the inside and that makes less sense when you when you know that. He basically practices at tackle. He does not play guard ally practice. He did this week knowing. That carpenter is going to out but I do appreciate that. They gave him the shot there. And i don't i don't think we should really say oh. He can't play guard because of this one bad game. But i thought hennessy was fine. I think we saw you know some very positive. Plays from him in his first start He'll get better too. You know there's a lot of stuff that muscle memory stuff and learning to lead a line. That was his first start and we know chemistry is really important. If keenan was here too keen. And i know he's he wanted to be here tonight at seven come up but he would really talk about how that chemistry and that continuity and the offensive line's important and hennessy has an ambitious to build that yet. So i think going forward. We don't really have to worry too much about the center. Spot out smack is going to retire if he doesn't come back in free agency. So i was really impressed with those guys in particular Dirk cutters playcalling was awful. I mean fourteen points from the offense is completely unacceptable. The chiefs are solid defense. Certainly but they're not a defense. You should be scoring fourteen against. I mean we've seen them in a in a lot of close games that we wouldn't expect them to be in but if you're holding them to seventeen points which get mentioned is the lowest total of their season. You should be scoring more than twenty points like this is inexcusable for an offense with this much talent so it it annoyed me for sure Eric did you have any any further. Takes about this game So you know this. This was definitely one of those games. Where yet the odds were definitely against them on and to go back for past several seasons like go back maybe alexa fourteen. Two thousand fourteen can seem to play. A game of this. Caliber would elite every year. The forty niners last year. We niners last year. Go back twenty. Fifteen when they They upset the panthers to stop their undefeated season Even twenty fourteen. They had a late season. Win against the cardinals cardinals. Steam was like nine or something like that head into the playoffs. So they they for some reason they do this. I don't know why but they do this. This is their thing. It was a winnable game. And it's easy to look at it and say oh the chiefs play down to their competition. Well in eastern the chief pat seven games. They've all been decided by six months. Yeah so this was not a case where to meet our case where the chiefs approach this like. Hey is the problems were looking towards the way already. Got things locked up. No i think the falcons ashley technically I stressed a lot. Even in in this doesn't it doesn't matter what sport when you're playing a team that's as lean as the chiefs are newer. The eiser nissim. You have to pull off at certain things you need. Are you need a little inside and you need to have golden opportunities. Come your way. That you're able to capitalize. The falcons had those golden opportunities with. They did not count. Yeah re things that come to mind the pitch to midfield. I think at that point. It was still tied at seven. Yeah had an opportunity to you know. Put a knowstone aboard ashort feel relatively. They stopped the office. Gripe by the chiefs and ain't getting a green out in the brand powell's lamble backwards right at the twenty arline eight owner inroads driving again. Even go in that manner would help build golden bopha does drives a winning game yeah and then of course the agents row dropped interception. I you know you. You and i kevin we'd been we'd been driving the date surreal bandwagon. And you know we're going to continue to do so. We think he's going to be a very elite corner. All pro corner what you have plays like that man and i know that. Yeah you gotta catch. You gotta catch the yeah. He hit the ground this rough years. No like man. He only got one. No doubt that it's just rough. I feel bad for our feel understand. If it was it was the high thrown. He got one hand on it. Maybe we know he caught it. That was an interception until they hit the ground. Yeah but you gotta make plays like that. I don't care if you're a rookie or ten your bit those plays. Don't come off the. Do you have an opportunity to pickle hatch. Yeah exactly you don't see very often so so you gotta epilepsy. But you know. I'm not one of moral victories. But this was a game. Where the falcons kinda shoghi something. Short short-handed took to the cheese. Man they really did The matt ryan guys often people blaming matt ryan for this loss. I don't like. I don't know what more you want from your quarterback like if if you have a quarterback to put up a stat line like ryan did in this game and has like what one twenty passer rating or something like you win. Games like eighty five percent of the time. Your quarterback has like a rating like that like this. There's no there's none of this os garbage time. Oh note this game. Was one score the entire game. So get out of here with that. Nonsense yards two touchdowns no turnovers. It won't a seventy five yard drive to take the league with five minutes left. It's cut herman. I just pit on that one. Ed peop- threw for sixty one yards. That's going that was him. Yeah fifty five yards to put him in bill. Go position the title game up and he's still getting blame. I don't think of makes that kick it goes to overtime is. He's still getting the blame. Like i just don't like if you don't like matt ryan fine if you want to take a quarterback also fine but you don't have to. You don't have to say matt ryan's washed like another some big argument going on in the chat about whether ryan's washed out like ryan doesn't even need to be washed to want to take a quarterback like it's not necessarily like you don't have to say ryan's bad or ryan this or that like you might just say like the falcons should take a quarterback because they're probably picking in the top five and it just makes sense to take a quarterback if ones they're also illogical for someone to sit here and say you look at the past two games. He's been excellent pasa games. Is it still used against them now. Look we came on the show. After the chargers game we all night matt cost them the game. Yeah yeah. I mean we literally talked about like ryan has to play better these final games or they're gonna take a quarterback for sure he's going to be out of here soon because it he not. Yeah and of course like always does. He plays fine the rest like he does. He has damn games like every quarterback. Patrick mahomes does had didn't have a good game against the falcons. You don't see anybody saying patrick. Mahomes has a bomb Well yeah that's really. All all might takes when their game they. They brought it to them they needed to. They needed the chiefs in the mountain Data i mean i'll be honest man. I thought it wouldn't be a bloodbath. Yeah it's a we all did from the moment. I saw patrick. Mahomes walk into the stadium with like some ski goggles. Yeah that's like some oakley big ass sunglasses or something boy. Yeah on shit. Yeah he's seeing right. Through the falcons defense with those things automated. I tell you was filled with those on for five. Tests says a helmet source. The ski goggles to a man. And but that was that was definitely a wound. Will game one hour as both of you guys this even the loss was that the kind of game that can really give mahim. Moore's this head coach. no. I don't think he's i really don't think he's in contention for the head. Coaching job. I do think he's in contention for the defensive coordinator spot particularly if the new coach doesn't have someone who really loves. And i think he is a candidate for other teams honestly. But i don't think. I think the falcons no they can get a top candidate and i looked. Famous is gonna ride if they keep moore's and like you shouldn't make decisions based on your fan base. Obviously but there is a business side to this and the business side would be raising all the flags. Saying if you make morris the head coach he better be putting this team in the playoffs. Next year ordered. We're going to have no fans in the stands. Like if they make that. Move the pressure on. Morris would be so ridiculously high because it would i mean you. There's a laundry list of things are going to write. The falcons really aren't changing anything. They're still the same team. Like the second blow lead next year. People are calling for his head like they want to invite that sort of. I think they want the fresh start like you get a lot of good. Pr for that. And like i think it makes a lot of sense to to go for an offensive head coach. I don't think more says bad coach. I i think he deserves to probably be a head coach or at least the defensive coordinator here but is he really in contention here. I don't think so. If i'm being totally honest i believe he is whatever your your thoughts on that be known known the owner known. The which you've seen in the past and we saw last year they went one in seven and essentially win over the saints. You can look back and say to win overseas. I will be saved than when do you feel the same way about this regime. He moore's even though they lost both gained as you know what a spark off the point to say hey. Brian concerns around given them. I mean there's really no way without you know seeing what blames salts are. He hasn't really shared anything lately. Which is surprising. Says he's he talked a lot last year Even early in the season. But i think if they wine i would say he was definitely one of the top three. They would probably consider right now. I think he's still going to have a fair shot at this. Just because of how tough they played them Is he the favorite. No like he would have had to pretty much win out to be the favorite. But i don't think it's insane to think he's in that make sure of if he had five coaches he's wanted to Just because of the familiar familiarity with the players Link obviously knows him mckay obviously knows him How the gm situation would you know. Turn out with them. Keeping him on. I have no idea you'd have to be gm comfortable with immer knows him Yeah i mean. I don't think that at all his chances Only improved it. He's not going to get any of the blame for the coup miss He certainly isn't going to get blamed for the loss in general because they shouldn't have been in a game -unding win that game would have been probably like forty two seven like i said earlier. The defense has looked much improved. I think it'd be crazy not to acknowledge that From the first five games you know. I think the only real criticism is if he's got the power to make some changes like he did special teams Keeping dirk koetter on. Obviously it made a huge change but at least acknowledging that the offense has some problems. But yeah i say he's definitely right now. Whatever four coaches they have in mind he's got to be one of the fifth one. I i agree. I think i think a lot of people are looking at his candidacy as this a minority higher being the rule just meeting their quota for the rooney rule. I think it goes beyond. Yeah the he is legitimately a candidate even how the season has played out. I think he's still got a show. Yeah yeah he's gonna get it right right. Yeah yeah. I do want to clarify because i feel like maybe i wasn't clear like i. I don't think he's like a joke candidate. Like i feel like they're giving him an interview out of respect and that it's a real interview like they're not just it's not just a formality. It's not just because he's the interim coach like i think. The blank allegedly loves Morris if morris was winning he'd be the next head coach. I have no doubt he hasn't been winning so i think it's going to be really really difficult for him to get the job. I don't think he should be considered the favourite in any way. I do think he's a serious candidate. Though i guess. I wanna make sure i made that clear. I don't but i think arthur blank sees some things here near that shows like okay given given all season given a nfl season without kovin possibly given you know some changes to the roster here and there that regain can turn around. Not saying he can't. I don't i love remorse. What like a more as a dc in this conversation compared to ernest. I think it's worth mentioning though that there's been talk about him being a head coach elsewhere. So it's not just the falcons who think who possibly think ello actually hire this guy fulltime like there's other teams that are at least considering him. He's not a joke. no he's not. I think i think he has a much better chance to end up head coach somewhere else but i think if he doesn't get the job that he wants i think he has. I would say. He's the favorite to be the falcons defensive coordinator in twenty twenty one. But yeah. i don't think i think blank understands and i hope someone's panning. The table for offense being the head coaching higher. Because we know from analytics set offense as much more stable year to year. And if you're losing like we've seen what happens with matt ryan with this offensive coordinator carousel if they're bad. You have to find a new one. If they're good. They get sticky poached. So you just have to find a way to keep a consistent offense going and that's something that that carries over a year to year that's been the gives your team. Consistency defense does not like look at san francisco this year. Sure sure they had. They had injuries. But i mean they also let one of their best players leave via trade which was dumb because they were like. Oh we don't need him. Okay yeah just so. They made some steaks obviously but and tell us in statistics. Tell us the defense is not likely to be good year to year. I mean the patriots. The forty niners were great last year. Neither good this year and you could point to injuries. And you point to opt outs. Whatever but this. This is not something that's restricted to this year. It happens every single year and welcome to the show on he kitsch at say which way on twitter on you one away in on where he morris's candidacy for head coach. You know we're coming in hot. We're coming in hot. Yeah yeah there's a no easing me into anything. No soft and other. It's just round the clock on immediately. I'm on record. I don't wanna single member of this. Coaching staff to be back next year in any capacity with this team. Next question all right. That's that's how i like it. It's short to the point. Yeah i mean. I certainly understand that aspect of it. I like it. It's mind boggling to me that we have a total defensive collapse against the buccaneers and then a total shutdown performance against the kansas city chiefs quarter. You know great performance by the defense And in some capacity like against the bucks so it can certainly be blamed on injuries. Right the falcons. Were down to tyler hall at corner and had to go up against chris goblin and mike evans. And you know bro. Yeah like it. So when they lost two starters in that game okay. It's probably gonna make things really difficult. But i think we should put it into context. This is this is a defense. That's lack talent particularly pass rush and you know with the secondary. It's kind of a real mixed bag. So i think what we're he has been able to do since taking over is impressive and deserves some props. But i also don't disagree at all with just wanting clean slate which is of where i'm at as well. I mean i. I'd be okay with remorse as defensive coordinator under a new coach like a new overall leadership structure. But i also wouldn't be surprised if they want to clean house to honestly so that means it has to be on the condition that the new head coach wants him as defensive coordinator You cannot force that onto a new head coach. Be like all right. You can be the coach but this has to be or dc. It's what the forty niners tried in. Two thousand fifteen with. I forget who they were interviewing but they Told him that. Jim thome soula had to be the defensive coordinator in no like coaching. No legit coach in candidate in his right mind will let like the owner or like rich mckay dictate. Who's going to be his assistant so that the condition for it but in. I'm pretty sure a lot of these. Aw head. Coaching candidates like brian. Daboll eric beyond me like they probably have their own guy in line. Saw to plug is dc. Yeah yeah that that makes sense to me to it. Really just depends right because i feel like if they don't have a strong preference for dc. They might just want to keep someone around. Who is familiar with team. But if they do then it's probably going to be a tough sell for for morris in the rest of the staff. But i do think morris is going to at least be a defensive coordinator somewhere else in twenty twenty. I don't think he's going to have to really be wanted for a job And i think he'll have. I think it's likely he'll have head coaching offers. So we'll see like everyone's saying like oh the. Jags are the best opening. Because they're going to get trevor lawrence and all this but you know i assume disagree with that. That's the kind of thing you're going for big rebuild but like the jets. I like the jets. Have distinct on them. I don't think anyone really wants to go to that franchise Particularly now that they're not guaranteed d'etre lawrence so like where he morris to jets. I don't think that's the wildest wild thing chargers. Maybe if they partways anthony lynn which they should but you know. I think there's a lot of jobs that he could be in line for. Just don't think he's the favorite here. Yeah i mean. I think could be. You could do a lot worse than tying yourself to trigger lawrence or justin herbert yes. I don't disagree Those are i think those are both pretty pretty good openings out there all right so this is been a great segue into our head coach. Gm talk so let's pivot into the most recent rumor. Which was that terry. Terry fontana is a top choice. For the falcons. One of the guys they really looking at. And at fontana actually. I don't know if it's fun to not or or what is it. But yeah yeah. I don't know it's i think it's french new orleans and all that but espionage in presents the sp nation nfl show five weekday episodes to get you through the grind of the nfl season with your favourite sp nation community leaders. You'll get reactions to what happened on sunday. Film breakdowns fearless takes local expert analysis fantasy football advice and so much more. There's a little something for everyone on the sp nation nfl. Show be sure to subscribe on apple podcasts. Or your favorite podcast app to be sure. You don't miss a single episode. But he wants. The daniel hackett the packers offensive coordinator. That doesn't call a. Place and that random extremely run heavy old school offensive jacksonville for several years to be his head coach So let's let's break it down first of all you like terry do you. Would you take him if he wanted. If he had to. Have daniel hackett so ever let you get the first crack at this one. What's your what's your thought on that pairing. I don't know much about him. Aside from him being lake with the saints for. I think sixteen or seventeen years in for that have eliminated him from consideration in my mind. I don't want anybody saints related. I know it's stupid. And it doesn't equal light success or anything but he's been there way too long to have that kind of light hatred for that team even if it's something you learn over time he's just been there for way too long in. This is our biggest rival. I don't know. I don't see them really taking our guys like that so i don't wanna do it right. Yeah that makes sense Eric got you've got takes on that Hackett pairing So no i mean. I'm i'm kind of in the same boat wherever near you. Know he's a experience goes. He has experienced not as gm but he has experienced like a new director. Yeah yeah so got me. Any is always been in that position or central office board. Nearly two decades arrests that considerable S considerable experience there. My biggest concern is hackett. Yeah i don't know where votes when the daniel hack came from but it literally came from aware. I don't understand it can go and look at his history as an oc. I'm looking at right now. He had that one year with blake. Bortles and twenty seventy. That was yeah but the next year they were ranked twenty seven offense. They were eighteen off missing green bay his first year with the packers is two seasons in buffalo twenty thirteen in two thousand fourteen. They were nineteenth and twenty six. Yeah now i i hope i hope people are not looking at what we're seeing from aaron rodgers insane man daniel hackett is really you know putting some things together ingredient that is purely aaron rot. It doesn't peyton manning peyton manning gave courier. Yeah surely aaron rodgers. Arabs have been doing that for regardless if the dog was calling plays rodney facility the league. Mvp kanari because aaron rodgers changes plays unlike matt ryan buff. Yeah aaron rodgers. Wasn't mvp with mike. Mccarthy nuff said larger also loves is off season because they drafted quarterback who's probably going to be his heir apparent yep to encounter you know just saying in in my c. in vp year. For matt ryan senate. Maybe you know. I don't see i don't see the love a hat for hacking down at all. Did this smells like adam gates over. Yeah no. I understand that literally at all like hack. It is a bizarre candidate. I don't think he has any qualifications for the job. I he doesn't call plays for green bay like i think it's just like a buddy buddy thing with him and fontana like other than like if if fonteneau didn't want him i don't think he would be a serious candidate for the fans. I don't know why you would be calling him. Like what has he done to deserve the job. He runs a really run like his scheme. Which we saw in jacksonville is like a super run heavy and then play action off the run type of scheme which is a dinosaur like it. Wasn't it was good in two thousand seventeen when that defense was elite and got what an absurd number of for the offense and it was crap the next year. So it's been crap ever your set. So i don't think going to like this would be like hiring mike malarkey to be. The new falcons head coach like going to like an old school scheme. Whenever everyone's been screaming for a new school coach. So i personally think if fonteneau says i want you'll hack it you say okay. We don't want you as because that to me shows a big lapse of judgement. See above. there. I don't get it. I don't get it all this to smoke in the nose. Yeah what about those trying to see where the connection came from. Because he's been with the fontenot fontenot speaking with the saints for sixteen years in two thousand twelve. He was selected by the club. By against the saints he attended stanford business school. And i see that Hacky was win stanford from two thousand four to two thousand five but that's really the Connection that those to have because they haven't crossed paths so he wasn't on the saints at all or anything. It's not like this is my guy like it would make sense if he was on the saints. But don't know yeah. I think that's a weird. I mean where the rumor comes from gives me some pause like i don't take it super seriously if i'm being honest so that's part of it too but did you have any opinions about that. Not only as fonteneau been with the saints for like seventeen eighteen years. it's also louisiana native. He went to two lane. So he's like a lifer nor orleans probably grew up a saints fan. I'm so immediately like i know. It sounds dumb. yeah like you know. He's part of the saints. So you know. We don't want him but he's part of the saints so we don't want him. Because like evans said you can't develop that hatred for them that you know you need to be in this role with the atlanta falcons if you've been around them if you've like grown up as a fan for the saints and then when you pair him with the nathaniel hackett than pardon my language but bug that shit talk no no no interest at all I don't want fonteneau period and now you're trying to like tie him in with another like Archaic play caller. As if we haven't seen enough of dirk carter the past like imagine going for a going from this like idea of this very fresh innovative offense to now going back until like dinosaur ron if you style or exotic smash mouth for all. It's like i would be infuriated bearing so absolutely not yup. Hard agree heard agree there. but yeah i. Just i don't i don't get that one like i think there's legitimate interest in fonteneau. But if he wants hackett then that's reason enough not to hire so just my opinion and everyone else's opinion here so see where one one threat of the web may actually be tangled here. Massive be In place your little bit. I see that wanting know was a part of the organization Barter things over invasive on the same time there doug marrone office coordinator so marrone coast alongside our coast with hackett yet lab in jacksonville. Yeah true may be where i mean i guess that may be somewhat like a reference site point a me. Think about this guy. I think this guy here has what it takes me a head coach. Rask were no winsome around eight or who. Who would you consider for position for echoes. Was this you might have. Is this trying turner. Yeah and like it's possible that fonteneau hackett didn't really want to run that run every scheme and he got to jacksonville and they're like this is what we're running if you want to be. Oh so you're gonna run. Some form of this like cutter was supposed to do here. Like we're running west coast figure it out and maybe he had to kind of make it work and maybe he actually has his own system that he wants to run but he doesn't call the plays in green bay either. Green bay clearly doesn't run this old school. You know run heavy scheme there and they made him the oc even though he doesn't call a. Place it's possible this stuff but like there's no way for us to know that so we can only go off of what we know we conspiracy theorists in me is saying how do we not know the saints metro retreat from the long game guy. Who's has almost twenty years of experience with team. So he can be general manager How do we know they're not planning something like that. Yeah it's it's ridiculous but if they were this is the ideal person is the ideal person someone who has those deep deep rooted saints connections born and raised in louisiana. And i know we have the tin foil hat on right now. someone who's like the assistant. Gm you know as soon as He ruins the franchise And you know phrase the saints like you know all good stuff he like. He's gonna like get an assistant. Gm spot right back with. We can yonker to lane as well. They did in new orleans guy through again. he was born and raised louisiana. Tinfoil hat is on. Man are no smells fishy me. I would be furious. Over sudden this new orleans guy wants to balance dean in fairness. I'm sure he wants new. Gm still sell the really other avenues named for for houston or for new york. Heard isn't by now. It seems like the facts until tied. Elena yeah i feel like we're the only franchise dumb enough to be entertaining. These yup all right well guys. We're going to continue getting into some of these head. Coaching candidates get some drafts of here. Soon to remind folks if you don't mind to throw like at video joined the show. 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Gm of the atlanta falcons wilson has. What's that aaron wilson. Houston i think it's the houston chronicle. Beat writer yeah I'm not gonna lie for a second Confuse them with aaron free. Oh yeah oh man. Just connect with breaking news or being the yeah and he has a long term lease smith. Yeah he's he's known. Smith for over a decade and i soon they talk so i i think to me that signals. That smith wants the job. So it's really maybe up to the falcons at that point But i know. The falcons have shown a lot of interest in smith. So what do you guys think about that. Potential higher of the general manger with rick smith. You know i wouldn't mind i mean. Of course everyone knows my top choices louis riddick. But they don't want it. Riddick is not in a compensation. The next best best option. I mean i. There's really you know his his tenure in houston really our note. I mean we all know why separate from the a respectable decision ernie. He you know he is some time away from the game and he. He had time to to get himself together as a as a man. Not just that but as a man as as a person so so yeah i don't i look. I look at see what he did in houston and i don't blame him much. If any for texans organization kind of coming short yeah as use given amount of time with. They add a empty he. Yeah he got the. What and to shawn watson among others so You need got a to write. And the hopkins. Arian foster as ud faa j. a. as Udf as well fuller who was going off before the this year ryen coaching get the draft. Under johnson's no no android ios before. But yeah i mean. I like rick smith a lot too. I think like i really like louis riddick is well. We haven't heard quite as much smoke about. I mean i think we've heard the falcons are going to interview him. But all i do think one more one more big move. He traded for match ob- Who is the franchise's all time leader in passing yards. So you know. Maybe when he comes. Maybe we'll finally come north center and start match. All there's rumors that match is going to retire soon. So we'll see about that. But that's that's the true galaxy break played for this team to get mad shop out there. Who needs that ryan got match. Okay the better matt petra nova. I like a lot. He's probably my second choice right now behind critic he has a lot of experience i think he's the ideal guy to pair with a first time head coach if they do go for b. enemy or arthur smith joe brady or someone like that. I had coach. I think they would benefit a lot from having that really experienced general manager there to kind of help them navigate their first season as a head coach. I think perry experience with with you know kind of new blood is really smart. So i do like the double smith. Pairing the rick smith arthur smith. Honestly if i had to put money on a pairing that right now would be who i would put money on. Is those two. I don't know this yugoslav listen. Coaching experience rick smith really. I didn't know he was assistant. Defensive back coach for the broncos in late nineties when he was okay versatile. Yeah i mean you don't see that often from gm. Yeah have a coaching pedigree. Well he accident spent seven years now eight years and sorry as as a coach at the collegiate. Nfl little so he's got both sides experience. Yeah anybody else have really. I'm absolutely with you. Kevin like he would be you wanna experience. Gm like that to go along with a first year head coach. Which is what i hope. The falcons will be having next year in the form of either arthur smith org beyond me and you know the bryan dabo hype. Train like is just going off in my head right now. Like i'm like this close to making Number one byrd. He's been good man. These last few games won't like the buffalo offense is magnificent scale like you know. That's that's all him. I like sean. Mcdermott is not. He's like giving him the offense stepping away. New saying do your do your. They're like incredible right now below the afc championship. Which i think is going to be between buffalo. Casey is going to be magnificent. Yeah that's going to be a great game for sure to see what they're doing without a consistent i'm getting visit makes it even more impressive. They don't even have the run game going the to the that they will probably you know. Ideally what they will man. He's yeah he's not coaching for. If he's not who should be here coca yeah. I would not be surprised at all if he's atop can't for atlanta. I think the falcons are going to bring in the enemy. Obviously that's already been reported. I think there's a lot of smoke around. Arthur smith so i think he's going to get an interview and debut should absolutely be one of the guys Remorse says the fourth guy. And then i don't know if they're gonna go after robert saleh or joe brady Maybe both i don't know. What are you surprised. At this point that they haven't had any other head coaching interviews. Or anything. I mean. I'm not i'm not talking. I think it's i think it's a sign. Of course that there were these guys stevens to be over so they can interview would a former inability ankle are unemployed right. They haven't haven't really brought anybody in that aspect. Yeah i mean. I do think and like we haven't heard a lot but i do think this team has a in mind that they want to hire I don't think this team. Mississippi makes it super. Obviously they're going to hire or who they're gonna talk beforehand kind of secretive about it. They've been pretty open about the gm stuff which i found a little bit a little bit different but they're probably like it makes sense to me like if they know that rick smith wants to be here like they could have hired him already which is kind of interesting like they have in. They're waiting for guys to be able to interview after the season but yeah i am a little bit surprised that we haven't heard more rumors but again it is a little bit you know. It's the before the end of the season. A lot of the guys they want to interview you know. I guess technically they can now but i don't think i don't think the falcons are worried about anyone just like bolting like they're they're really looking at like the top guys. I don't think any of these top guys are like worried that a team's going to pull their offer if they don't just immediately agree to it like vietnamese not going to be like. Oh yeah the jets call okay. If you don't take this is an exploding offer if you taking like okay. Bye-bye judge call whole. Just hang up off but the last time this team Jumped the gun and you know. Panic hired someone. We ended up with dirk. They're open toward newt. But yeah it's Well one interesting thing about double in. This doesn't matter at all but it's just like it's just a fascinating like Way of like how everything is just like Comes into circle. Is brian doble before he was the bills. Head coach or the bills. See it was. Oc at the university of alabama and what ended up giving him. That's bought was the falcons hirings keeps fusion from alabama to be our offense coordinator after shanahan Love to vacated spot debut win over there i solo it stable or doble. I'm just gonna you know what we'll figure it out if he becomes a coach After after spending a couple of alabama ends up in buffalo and he's really showcased himself like with the bill so now he has a chance to come back come to atlanta that code. Which is who the falcons are who gave him that. Bank-aided spot in alabama could be the oc into proven self for the nfl. You guys got to keep in mind. This woman as coaching experience under bill and makes a so. He's he's got got some knowledge when it comes with aspect me never gonna cap or a co two under those guys. These one championship would open up. You know. that's a pedigree that he brings the bathrooms locker room that they haven't had in a while efforts championship pedigree. One one connection. That i just wanted to mention on ric smith is in two thousand eight. He joined the nfl's competition committee which rich mckay's obviously been. I think the president of for years. So they're very familiar with each other. I don't know how much his influence will be getting. Rick smith job. But i like louis riddick but also i think rick smith would be an ideal candidate is because of the experience in already knowing rich mckay. He's not gonna walk on eggshells around him. So yes a little connection there. Yeah i mean th. That's definitely the guy that i would say. Is the odds on favourite for this team. I am air wilson. Said you'd put money on it and it makes me pretty confident. Like i think that if they want. Rick smith they're going to interview a few guys after the season ends and i think we can see rick smith higher bef- like by the end of next week. I think we could see rick. Smith is only be there their due diligence over in gazi in here and say are no one has really like rick smith's so yeah exactly. I think it's honestly. I would not be shocked at all by the end of next week. Rick smith is the gm Like i think they're going to do interviews next week. They're going to talk to some guys. They're going to get everyone they want in here and i think i think they pretty much know who they want. But it's always good to have these interviews and talk to everyone before you officially make the decision. And i think with the virtual meetings to they could probably squeeze in one guy a day and have therefore five candidates all taken care of by the next week so interview they have again. I well actually. I don't know. I know they have talk to smith. I don't know about rick what we were interesting. Yes they were interested. I can't i can't recall anything sanded. They did actually in detroit. Did yeah jackson. I don't get some private. Yeah that's yeah. I think they've officially interviewed him yet. But i know that they they will. I suspect we'll see him and fonts no and what was the other one. Maybe that we heard. That's that's one of the teams already interview right an interested right. If they're serious about it. I don't know why they haven't talked to him but season that could be another sign that they're just pretty in for. I don't know but we will see we will see but yeah we got a couple of donations here. We got george costanza in here with the five dollars brother. Thank you so much for your support. We appreciate you I remember this. I remember this message six weeks ago. George call chase young over hyped. Ti was wrong. Yeah i remember we told you maybe cool off a little bit. So that takes you know. Takes takes takes some. You know some strength to be able to admit when you're wrong so we appreciate that. George says that lincoln riley still his first choice but he thinks dallas is gonna offer more after they fire mr analytics mike mccarthy gert trying to pound edge room for a while hang up. I don't think extant college coaches. I was illegal rally last year and i. I came to the conclusion like man there. Ninety one snip away. I'll yeah no chance too young to college year. Yeah so ferret dot that that's kind of how it is there but georgia also says that he preferred arthur smith overby enemy. Mahomes could make even bill. O'brien look brilliant. Yeah i mean. I know like be enemy. I think is a really good offense coordinator. I think he does call the plays. They've made it clear that he does. And i think the fact that he's so respected by andy reid and by the players in that team makes me think that i don't need to worry about the fact home making him look good but if you prefer smith over him because he like smith scheme better. That's totally fair Arthur smith scheme has been very good. I mean they struggled in in the snow game against green bay this week and that wasn't a great game for him but we've also seen that team looked just incredibly incredibly creative so i i don't have a problem with arthur smith ovary enemy if that's your preference certainly so we also have a donation from forgo hair to say. I don't like like that when it comes to being because let's no one knew how good as mahomes. Yep i think i think the pairing was ideal to have an upcoming caller along with the guy like magic mahomes and just mesh that well i can understand if airbnb was signed was came onto the team late at the you know mahomes was already good. No one knew how good he was being so to sit here and say that he knows his plays elevating his status as waco on fair. Yeah it is. It's it's like you don't punish the guy for having a great quarterback that's that's not fair to him you know it. Punish him for having a bad offense with a great quarterback allah dirk cutter. But don't do it the other way round like so. I agree there so we got a couple of other donations now that we are we ready to pivot to drafts hockey or do you guys have any more takes about us. Yeah you guys ready for draft. Talk all right so from addresses we it has. It has but i gotta get the click titles in here eric. You gotta put draft at the title big deal so yeah from from sunday we have the practical broker with a five dollars. Brother appreciate you. Don't know if you're tune in tonight but don't know came in after the show close. I apologize about that but we appreciate the money and we appreciate your support seriously so Hope you're listening. But he says if we stay at number three or number four come on carolina. 'cause carolina hadn't won the game yet. What could we reasonably get to trade back. You know several spots or should ton. well it depends. I mean it depends on how far like he said three five or seven spots. I if you're trading out of the top ten from three or four. You're getting a future. I plus probably a second third. I think even if you go back like five spots the price is probably going to be like a first round. Yeah because growing from three or four nine isn't the same as going from twenty four to twenty nine. It's like i remember. It was a literally. I think a nine to four trade. Was the bills moving up. Sammy watkins like years and years ago and they had to give up a first rounder next year to go get him. So i think if poor trading back i think minimum wage like first round pick. Yeah a spot right like yeah that minimum minimum for me is the first and second. I mean i'm not superstition trade. I mean maybe you could talk me into like trading down to like seven or so if there some like it's like you know i don't know who would be at seven but like denver is picking at seven or eight or something. The falcons zero four and they wanna trade up for a quarterback like you. I i would take your first next year. I mean i would like if a team had two seconds this year. I consider that to if they were like decent seconds. But yeah i mean i. It's where you start though like. I think you want at least a second and yet so you're talking going back out of the top ten period just to have a conversation me. I need a first and second furniture. at the earliest. We can talk picks this year. But yet i mean really suburban second. Yeah so that's i agree with you there So yeah i mean. I think the is looking for a future. I if they're gonna make sort of move like that and that would be them kind of saying that they're not taking a quarterback or they're hoping like if the trade out of the top ten. They're they're not getting one of these top guys. So they're they're saying that they're going to try to just roll with ryan which is fine so you know that but that has to be the move. It's either you take a quarterback or you trade damn. I don't think you stand pat and take anything other than a quarterback if they're still picking up like three or four after this week That's my take on that but We also have michael's erc with the one dollar brother thank you. We appreciate your support. So he says. I have to be straight at. The falcons are going to draft a quarterback which. I don't really like sorry. Not he says it. Needs to be zach wilson other than trevor lawrence. He's the most complete package extremely accurate top tier pocket mobility decent arm. No ego I mean there are certainly some that would tell you. That's to now You know zach wilson tad excellent season so that that helps him gain ground on someone like trae lance who i think would clearly have i think trillions played a full season. He'd probably be ahead of wilson but look he. He didn't get to play a whole season and now he's been out of football for a whole year. We only got see one solid game from him but not spectacular and like fields is coming up. A really bad game obviously is going to get dinged especially from recency biased for having a bad game and like honestly. I don't think he's going to have a great game against clubs at either like close defenses. No joke so. I think he's struggling struggle against it so but i would tell you not to scout a quarterback on their worst games or their biscuits. You should scout them on their on their body of work. And i'm not a quarterback expert. It's probably the position. I'm like the least comfortable scouting but enough people. I trust have have justice fields as qb to even with his struggles. That i still you him. That way So i'd still go with a field. I think the upside is pretty ridiculous. I think he's shown enough to to be that kind of elite quarterback prospect and athletically. He's head and shoulders. above zack. wilson. They both have great arms. Zack wilson more polished passer. Certainly but just fields is elite athletes. And you can't teach that you can. You can polish up justin fields passing. You can't teach his athleticism. And it's it's pretty ridiculous so you guys want to weigh in on on the quarterback debate here anybody man as the weeks grow in mount and i'm really starting to become more and more exactly. He's made it really hard to ignore them. That's for sure really starting starting garner grown man you know. I like what feels has to offer because of course spills brains besides net lettuces them to the position. What man rolston listen. Seems like a natural throws it. He's a great passer. Started and i don't please not comparing him to to mahomes. What from the aspect of like throwing power in rolling accuracy. He can make any fro- where he didn't make it. He can put it there until the one thing that concerns me. He's listed as six three to ten thin. Yeah ally that you six three now. He's a little bit and little short. I mean i think he's probably barely six feet. He's six three on tender guest but yeah grown man that wanted to stay in the top five and said you. Qb might be my god. I still yeah. I mean i think wilson is the most likely of all the quarterbacks to be available for atlanta at at four. If that's where they ended up picking you know. I think fields is probably still going to go second overall because these these org do what i said they they don't scout they scout the breadth of the career and justin fields. Two thousand nineteen was elite. I mean it was crazy. He's had some great games this year and he has had some great games in like. It's really called attention to some of his deficiencies. Like i think he's all slow with his reads. I think he's a little bit gun shy. Sometimes but those are things you can teach like. Look at josh allen. Like josh allen was a terrible college quarterback. Almost everyone missed on josh allen. People michelin missile. Josh josh allens email was he's a bad college quarterback don't draft 'em high and the bills took a huge gamble and it paid off and sometimes that happens. Sometimes you really can't coach a guy up and it works out for you but most of the time. It doesn't so i wouldn't go using josh. Allen is some sort of example of why you should swing all the time on these guys that suck in college just all of a sudden become go. Nfl quarterbacks it's extremely rare that being said you have to be a little bit more. You do need to be forward thinking like the josh alexander. He did have the tools he had the athletic ability. And the army. All of these things that you can't teach and the bills were like look. We think we can coach this guy up. We think we can get him make making better decisions and we can clean up his throwing motion. We can do all these things and help him be a better quarterback and they did kudos to them. They did a great job. I just feel just nowhere near as far off. It's josh allen says college quarterback josh. Elba's deb disaster. I mean that guy. I awful at times like wyoming was a bad like they had a losing record. Josh how you've got to the first round. So just feels his way. Further along the josh allen but it just depends on. What kind of quarterback you want. I think if you want the dual threat guy. You're going to want justice fields or trey lance. It depends a lot on the offense right. So if be enemy comes in here or arthur smith comes in here and they really want dual threat quarterback the guy that can really threaten with his legs. They're going to prefer one of those guys over jack wilson. Even those eccleston has the best tape of any quarterback element trevor lawrence this year. Because it's about what you want this quarterback to do not in his rookie year but over the course of his career. If they want a pocket passer who does have pretty good mobility i think sexual sin does have pretty good mobility. He's not like a statue. He's not kyle. Trask cal. Trask is like tim. Tebow might not do a key. He can he can take a sneak for a touchdown and he does. But you can't move man that do the statue so you will do three first quarter wealth as game. Yeah gay down. I don't get the trask hype. Honestly i don't. But i would add more as the vela mental guy. Yeah i think he's a backup Or like a. I don't know. I'll like him if he if he has to sit for two years. Yeah but you don't take that in the first round. But yeah i so. If you like sack wilson great. I think he makes a lotta sense for a lot of schemes. He's a more polished passer. But with the knowledge that you're going to be sitting adjusted fields trae lance for at least a year before they have to play. I think the scales do tip a little bit more towards these guys that have this incredible athletic talent and trillions is a better than people. Give him credit for. I know his level competition wasn't great but there's a lot to like from his film in terms of the things that he does and the way he makes his reads. But i think zack. Wilson will appeal of teams that want to get the quarterback in the game immediately That am to start from your one And like i don't think it's ever a bad thing to take so if you're talking about preference it probably comes down to the head coach because i think all of these guys have traits that you want. I don't really think anyone's taking trillion over justin fields. Even if he has a bad gets clemson too but You know trent or like. Just feels zack. wilson. I think that's worthy debate. And that's what we're talking about here Are you are you. Are you saying eric that you're you're you're four wilson over fields at this point. I know we're putting you on the spot. Here i know is kind hard because right now i can say no but at the same time. I feel that zack. Wilson is going to test out of this world before the draft. And i would not be surprised if draft matt heats the second quarterback solent select tougher. It is. it's tough they vote. Bring some you know different things at the table. But i don't know right now man. Honestly if i had to make a decision than i yes that was probably right. Yeah i appreciate it like we gotta get you know we gotta get the takes out there. I appreciate that did on or do you guys want to win and all on up. I just think it's it's fair. If you value wilson as your number two over fields. I think it depends on coaching preference because lawrence is obviously number one. He's going to go number one but then beyond that. It's like it's tough. It's tough to tell they're like they're both so close to they can. They're pretty much to i in to be at this point. And then you know you have lance coming in at number four. So i think we're in a good spot to be able to. I don't think miami is to go quarterback They just dropped into a last year. So we'll be in a good spot to be able to grab either one of those guys or to be able to leverage One of those who guys for trade back. But it's important that we How do i say this. Hold onto that on number four drop spot. Yes this sunday. Yeah i agree yeah. We're going to talk about that. Close out the show but avenue. J take their on on on that quarterback I i don't. I'm not confident enough in any of them. Just wilson probably more than any of them but I'm kind of leaning more towards the trade back which isn't going to happen but like my dream is arthur smith to come in if they want to go like defense. That's fine in than maybe take like a match jones later on. I prefer that route right now. But there's always time for things to change i do want to come up with a little scenario. Just because i'm curious what you guys thoughts would be. Obviously lawrence goes one but between now and the columbine in pro days or whatever Let's pretend that lawrence's still won by landscape for some reason drops to like round three or four Enfield's is like round to a wilson. Still pretty much. where he's at. Would you still take wilson. Would you wanna take fields like in round two Mangoes somebody else around one or take lance in round three months of gay confusing but hopefully guys are sticking with me. They're laying around three in take two players ahead. Does that make sense. Yeah yeah i mean. I guess to me like like i want to see how confident you guys are currently. Obviously there's a lot of time still between now The nfl draft. But how confident. You guys are certain quarterbacks. Yeah yeah i mean to me. I'm confident and all four quarterbacks with that top five pick. i'd be happy with any one of them. Trevor lawrence is the clear one i think. He's an elite generational prospect. I think just fields is really good. He's still my quarterback too. And i think has really made a case for number three but i really liked trillions to head trillions ahead of wilson before his season so i am confident in all four of those guys. They're not all gonna work out but that probably has more to do with the team they go to. The people want to admit. I think they're all quality quarterbacks that would be franchise guys in atlanta so. I'm happy with all around one now if i could get them later and like if i thought i could reasonably get one of them in the second round. Yeah sure but yeah. I'm the same like you know if you're giving me feels enron to wilson round one that I'm going around too. But it's not as simple as that. Because i think it depends on coaching staff and also like if the coach like in the gm like they know. They're like wilson guy. Then you go get them. Yeah get your open there. And he's your guy you take them you pull the trigger on him and you know that will depend on the combine. That will depend on you. Know who the new head coaches what they think of of dot rolston. How tests out like the interview process is something that will we know what's in their heads in like evaluating these guys so you know it all depends on like you know like that terrible move. Draft day is burning. Mac no matter what like when he wrote it down on down on the like piece of paper. So it's like if it's a wilson it's exactly no matter i'd go get them awful movie. By the way very dramatize you would never happen in real life. Now it's crazy. Give a take on that one. Sorry oh it's okay. It was good drama movie. It's just like the football having watching so many crowds. I'm over here like there's no dislike the young. Gm panicking because quarterback is falling down like the draft boards like come on is not repeated quarterback because is didn't go to berkeley. I'm going to do what's best for the teach back. I'm sorry this is business day just decides to make a stand on that day like Bring everyone out onto the field like you couldn't avoided a week right. Yeah weird very weird. I mean the movies like it's like a decent movie if you know nothing about the draft if you know about the drafters can be yelling at your screen. It's going to be like that me from once upon a time in hollywood racist like look at pointing at discreet. Yeah so the thing that bothers me. The most was owner. Who wanted to go out with the jersey like no owners throughout on the stage with jersey to like into their new player. Yeah please just the commissioner yup only accurate thing in a movie was the fact. That ostler didn't had no clue. Yeah they definitely know more active going into draft. Night yeah yahtzee. Gm's actually do wake up there them. That's that's not great. Also more thing if the owner is telling you you you're gonna take this guy and he to the point where he's like making a majority accustomed jersey like that guy is getting taken because the owner that there is no just gonna like go around like you know you know go rogue doesn't have no. It's usually the other way around. You are taking dwayne haskins. You're you're gonna like it. That's what happened with washington. So the worst part is we never actually find out in this fictional. Nfl world that he was a genius. Washing the lord reigns in the spoiler they get to the end with the rain and then it just adds wealth like our journey was worth it to the next thing you know as well do he turns out. He was a pro. Football hall of fame quarterback play for twenty years He was he ended up. Drafting david crowley like really wait a minute long. All in quarterback we're gonna suck. Yeah taylor anyway. Yeah what makes the have confidence in all forties guys. I pay off guys. Probably selected twelve at worse Care are poor. Just eases about a sure. Bet as edgy lug was. Yeah when it comes to wilson. I think central to be a really really good quarterback. And i just i don't wanna compare him mahomes but i see certain prates here near of mahomes i think he can have that type of in more he can come in and Fields bills niessen. Behind your i think land said about two years a map. I'm not so lance. Like kevin. Is i think really putting in too much stock in what he did last year. We got like thirty eight thousand no intercept. Yeah i mean. I don't think that's going to happen again. But he can throw tanner perceptions now. It still be a good season. Yeah but i think people are putting too much value achieving komo. It was a crazy season. But yeah i have confidence in upward. I have communist that all four be first rounders. I don't know all and out a rarely have that way right. Yeah were quarterbacks at all actually been like favors like good. Yeah i mean it's been it's been rare but like again. I think there's a lot to do with where they go more than anything. So maybe eighty four that maybe we draft class. You can at least say with you know in. What was it. Two thousand three which will ally and then delivers it. Just doesn't happen that often. So but yeah all right. We got some donations and questions here to get for we. We close at the show so jewish with another five dollars. Brother show benefactor george costanza. Thank you so much for your support. so he says if big if the jets take zack. Wilson or justin fields atlantic and. Get a kings ransom in the sewell sweepstakes we would get a first and a second plus an additional i next year Sewell looks like chris samuels. otherwise take chase to margie's wiki face march again it depends on clammy pits in front of us. It's you're going to. You're going to get like a lot either way because it's gonna be school or the remaining between fields and Yeah you're gonna get a lot either way. yeah. I don't. I don't see i mean. I think he's really good but i mean i don't see him as a prospect for the falcons like the now i mean it would be more than like the bengals. Wanna trade up for him or something franchise guy yeah workout for about. I personally don't get it. At all for the falcons. I mean i think gary's been fine. I think jake matthews is very good. I i don't agree with taking guard. The top five unless it's clinton nelson. Yeah like i mean. You're you're probably moving jake. Matthews are asked to be jake matthews guard because kayla mcgarry can't believe gardy six seven never meant it would be. Yeah yeah. I think in fairness it's I don't think georgia sang for us to take tool. I think he's saying for us to trade bank yes Who wants to. Yes like the bengals at six would be obvious one but there's a lot there's a lot of teams that would be really interested in getting that is that are starting to build a hyperloop. Yeah i don't get it. I don't i don't get it either but it's to me in a man. This is the perfect time for keenan and right. I don't not every office attack can convert to go. I mean i'm not saying he can't ever do it but like they tried to swim to guard this week in like he made it. Yeah methods has never play guard right three years at texas then. He moved to left tackle his last year. Play gore saying. I don't say i don't get it either to be honest with you so yeah i mean i think if you'll still on the board and the falcons are picking up four still. That's one possible trade down. You know i think the. I think you're probably getting more for a quarterback trade down honestly So it's probably if someone's really giving ransom it's probably gonna you know outsell whoever's trading for sewell but i do think sewell is someone that could betray the poor's well so that's something important. I doubt we're getting a future. I from the bengals at six. If we're like trading down from four to six with the bengals we're not getting a future. I we might get like a third to move down a couple of spots this team. How can anyone. Because i've said this arsons if he's there just because he's the impact offender and you know he can. He can be that type of guy from day one but honesty anyone can look at this team and say no arsons. Say yes to yeah. I mean like parsons not position of need but like you can get him on the field but the pieces the falcons have like you can play him at edge. You can make him your sam you can rotate a in certain packages like need. But i think his presence makes dealing jonesboro linebacker exporting becker. I don't i don't get how an at least to me. That is a transition. You could mean input there mike. Slide deena jones to more than natural will spot in tafoya I just yet easier as easy to pull offs in heaven. No i mean you're better awfully trading back into the teens for for like the with the with the patriots and taking why davidson picking up a future. I and like a second and third like we've been award right. You're better off doing that. I think that taking suo at four. But i know that's not what george was saying. He was talking about the trait. But yeah just for those say that we should take at four or your clothes out symbol rookie. Anybody foresee a team is going to change the top simple gordon. Do i foresee it. I mean the patriots. The forty niners. I think both the vikings the bronx real. You're going to realistically on graphically. yes there team team may make a slash. Patriots are either of those teams. They would like they would pay a lot because you know their defenses are like step already. Yeah so i mean. The patriots generally don't do stuff like that. But i think that they could because they've never been in a situation like this before and then the forty niners like they have no dead money on garoppolo's contracts like if they if they think they can pull off a trade to get to get kyle shanahan guy like say akwesasne does go and just field is on the on the board. I think shanahan would love to get his hands on field so You know yeah alleged. The forty niners do want wilson as well. That's that's been the buzz. So i think either way might really be interested in the relationship is there between the two teams. So that's that's when. I would watch but i certainly think it's possible. We could see something crazy like that. But that would mean. The falcons aren't getting a quarterback. Because i mean i think the forty niners are to be picking like thirteenth at the highest. Yeah so like if they lose their probably twelve or thirteen so like i just don't i. They probably aren't getting lance at that point so you know maybe it's maybe that's fine. I mean i think getting tremendous value in terms of your picks. And you're probably still getting an impact defender there and you're probably getting future first and a second sort of thing so that's always nice to but you're passing on core back with the a trip down at large so we got another one dollar from georgia stanza stay. We should sign. Dwayne haskins ohio state. Quarterbacks are interchangeable. we should go kyle. Pitzer jomar chase at three eric. Troll anybody he just knows he triggered you with the mark talk he signed like i'd rather have pits but like not at three. Maybe like eight if we were if we ended up winning. Which would come to me on twitter about that last week about taking over syria. I mean maybe maybe after trade down into the teens not even trade them depends on on the board. I mean say like pay and russo and farley and you know sir. Tanner all gone. Obviously parsons is gone. You know like no. I'll have that conversation. I'm just kidding. It would be really hard. It would be really hard to make that work So we also have questioned from three card dot com pretty cool name five dollars. Thank you thank you brother. We appreciate your support so he says hi great show. i'm analytic. Student and avid falcons fan. Recently i discovered football analytics. I'm looking for a suggestion for something we can look at it. From the falcons expected it would be awesome to get some ideas from you guys. Thanks okay so i would recommend you. Go look at Ben baldwin stuff on twitter. He's at ben baldwin. I think is his twitter handle. He is the guy. I look at for all my analytics stuff. He's a really. He's one of the leaders in that field. He does write stuff about all teams. 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Falcons at Dolphins 2019 Preseason Week 1 postgame thoughts

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Falcons at Dolphins 2019 Preseason Week 1 postgame thoughts

"The alcohol post game podcast. Ask two thousand seventeen pre-season week one atlanta visiting miami dolphins join me for the podcast is one of our writers and a photo autoshop aficionado our very own evan burchfield evan. How're you doing. I'm good we just watched the falcons lose and and <hes> yeah it was exciting. It feels like a preseason tradition to watch. The falcons lose a game to the miami. Dolphins take losses. Oh oh my goodness for those who think that preseason games matter that has got to be painful so we're we're gonna. We're gonna talk a little bit. This is obviously the very first preseason game we are not going to count the hall of fame game which happened last week as has a true preseason game that is like the preseason preseason. This is the game that counts is where most teams play starters for you know like one series may be two series and in fact. Oh what is that. Oh i had something in my audio was playing an advertiser so so anyhow moving on this yeah this. This is what we get for this. We're in preseason formed folks. The in the falcons <hes> did not play most of their starters matt ryan a julio jones counting ridley muhammed sue jake matthews alex mack a whole host of starters did not even play in this game that said i think there is a lot we can still look at at this game and make <unk> some initial observations about certain players and how they did so evan. Let's start with you know the offensive side the ball so if there's one or two names that stood out for you for the falcons on the offensive side of the ball who would those names me will definitely let's start off with mesh raw shaab who struggled in the in the hall of fame game as you talk about it. It's not a true preseason game but <hes> he definitely struggled because he only had ten yards which was terrible but he bounced back. He bounce back in this game. <hes> had twelve twelve completions on nineteen attempts in hundred seventy two yards in no interceptions no touchdowns either but no interceptions so so i mean that was a good sign in i mean definitely you gotta look at russel gage early in the game flying hang all over the place like shaab through some good passes but there was a couple where he made the play <hes> you just it. It was pretty impressive so he's definitely i think it's concreted nicotine some sort of complete meltdown. He looked really good. Yeah <hes> <hes> completely agree. I think the <hes> the kurt denker bandwagon fell apart pretty quickly because to your point <hes> ed very strong. Amac shop had a very strong game. He was twelve nine thousand nine hundred seventy yards which again preseason you know take it with a grain of salt he but he looked sharp. He looked like he knew what he was doing there. He's a veteran. He definitely looked like someone if you had to turn to him in a pinch you're not gonna be hurting. Terribly any <hes> obviously going for matt ryan to any backup is going to be a huge <hes> downgrade but shaab looked good so excellent named point out as you said russell gauge and here's the thing with stats in the preseason. It's easy to get caught up in that. He had three receptions shinzo thirty three yards which doesn't sound really great but to see the type of catches he was making where he was <hes> catching the ball at the high point right you know he was elevating going above <hes> quarterbacks to make the catch. There were a couple times where he caught balls that did not end up being inbounds. It was more like like you said. The fault of the quarterback was h but he did catch cash. 'em yeah absolutely and i think we've heard a lot about gauge in the preseason and it's so hard to see how these guys are going to translate this into the actual game aim days and he actually delivered you know where we saw him. In the same plays. He was catching everything that came his way. I feel i gauge is in the conversation for being the number four wide receiver now a lot of people have wondered you know obviously the top three assembled <music> but is justin hearty locked in wide receiver four and i would say at this point gauge. Is you know he's looking really really good. <hes> very early his he's got the speed. He's got this incredible athleticism. <hes> that is really encouraging the other name on the point out in innocent name. We've heard a lot of <hes> over. The past couple of weeks is bryant hill at running back <hes> he has been a a guy play like his pants are on fire fire which they they they marry they may very well be because of the fact that <hes> he probably realizes that with the team drafting getting all of a sudden they've got either smith brought in kenya barner mckee has to prove that he is worth a roster spot and so far ah least in what we've seen in the past two games what we've heard camp. This guy is delivering. What what do you think about brian hill what he's doing so far on offense yeah. He looks the part <hes>. I think he's in that same sort of boat has gauge where you hear his stats like in this game in particular particular. He had eight carries twenty three yards. A touchdown like that doesn't sound earth-shattering anything but if you watched the game they were like hard. Runs is a lot more impressive so if you're listening to this afterwards in you didn't see the game go look up the you know some video footage from the game of gaijin hill <hes> because we can't really do it justice. It's like they looked really good. <hes> their stats may not scream it but they they were really impressive. <hes> allison came in late in the actually had better stats bats but i wouldn't say he actually had a better game if you watched it but he looked you know he looked pretty good plus. You know he's a rookie so it's gonna be interesting seeing in these next three games <hes> his improvement but i mean he scored hill scored. Ito's scored earlier so the running backs all had pretty solid games tonight yeah yep great point and that's without devante taking a single snap <hes> with him wrestling with the rest of the starter so yeah i think i think a lot of question marks coming into the season about the running back situation <hes> either smith brian hill olsen and a kenyan barner. They look like a bunch of backups who are capable of delivering and that is <hes>. You know especially when you lose a guy. I like kevin coleman. That's really reassuring. Brian hill. I think is stealing to show right now. We'll see how it plays out over the next three games. You know obviously so far. Were very early in preseason. We're not gonna make any solid determinations this point yeah i it's way too early to predict 53-man fifty three man roster assuredly someone we'll do it. We're not going to hear on the alcohol at podcast at minimum. Brian hill has certainly played himself into the conversation station. Being worthy of a fifty three man roster spot one last name on the highlight and it's a name that we've heard a lot of from in training camp and that is one of the wide receivers now to be fair. There are like three free agent wide receivers who have stood out so far far. There's a zacchaeus there's warton and devin gray who was actually on the practice squad last year but zacchaeus had two receptions 35-yards yards one was again another sort of highlight reel reception during this game and if you look at the wide receiver spots top three or settled russell gauge has got a spot basically secured its point leaves two openings you have to think just hardy is going to get preference <hes> <hes> <unk> <hes> marcus. Oh my god. I'm drawing a blank now like his thank. You gain drafted in the six this round. He may get some preference. Since he has returned abilities <hes> their midnight he'd be a spot for a guy like zacchaeus but <hes> the tweet zacchaeus <hes> gray gray christian blake has had a couple of pretty good games. These guys are all showing out there doing everything they can within their ability to to make an impression whether you think about these it's three undrafted wide receivers what they've done so far in preseason yeah and also <hes> you locate khalil lewis <hes> they actually led the team in receiving yards in the only two receptions right at like. It's gonna be out there towards the bottom. I wanna loop back real quick <hes> the like since we're done talking about the running backs but i found it interesting. I know barnes more special teams guy he had only had one catch in. It was thirty seven yards but they didn't even even run him at all right so i guess he's pretty much out of the running back committee like i found it interesting day. Great great brooks james twice. Polite barner didn't even have a single kerry. <hes> you know like that's kind of odd to me since he is a running back but he was useful in the passing passing game but yeah it's gonna be very interesting to see who i think as you said hardee's probably gonna take preference over. Some of the other guys just based on experience engage. I would pretty much. You'll miss safe after i can't say enough about what we saw tonight <hes>. I don't think war ends got like he dropped. He had had the most targets i believe but he drops ugly passes like wide open and i don't think he's gonna be yet but <hes> i forgot how to say his name <unk>. Yes okay yeah. He probably who i would go four four right now like if we were betting on it but <hes> lewis looks like a sleeper he was pretty good <hes>. I don't know it'll be it's gonna be interesting. I mean i'm glad we have had the opening game which doesn't technically count but it did. It was football still in these guys. Were out there so that kinda helps. It'll be interesting to see you know like right after the hall of fame game <hes> you know we put on the falcon hollick they <hes> they. They made some moves quickly so it'll be interesting to see if they have if that's like their new mentality where like if you screwed up in the preseason game or if you didn't have a good game they're moving on. They wanna see new talent towards the bottom there yeah excellent points across the board. I agree completely. I think that wide receiver competition is is gonna be really interesting to watch and these guys are probably competing for practice squad spots if we're being honest and it with with a very very outside shot of maybe sneaking onto the fifty three man roster but it's gonna be incredibly tough to do so but this is the time that these are the games. Where you're you know what they do is going to matter for them. You know what matt ryan does what calverley does in the preseason game absolutely absolutely has no bearing on their position on the ross or whether they're gonna do regular season but for a player like olympia the <hes> zika us this could be the difference between him. Landing practice squad spot possibly sneaking onto the fifty three man roster. This is his time to shine so for for fans who are sort of like over the preseason the quality these games remember. This is like a critical moment for these young guys as for the guys at bob in the roster could ultimately work their way into you know into the rotation so it definitely we're seeing a lot of interesting interesting players and minimum this preseason on the offensive side of the ball so before we jump into some of the defensive players that we <hes> no just in this preseason game stood out really take a quick break. We'll be right back. Hey i'm spencer hall. I'm holly anderson <music>. I'm ryan nanny. 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Back with evan burchfield whenever fantastic writers the foul <unk> dot com and we wanna talk about the defensive players who we saw that stood out in this game and evan l. about you but the first it's name that jumps out to mind came out of nowhere is austin larkin way data is going to say to say that the same china china for dramatic effect and your story yeah no. You're right though he did. He looked took fantastic and i'm gonna be honest with you. I know i knew nothing about him. <hes> in apparently looking at what everybody else was saying on twitter. Nobody really really knew anything about him. I'm sure there's one or two people listening you did by yellow really good it was it was shocking because <hes> i actually <hes> on on the twitter's i i message over to <hes> and you guys can go check on twitter. I asked jason but of the athletic. I was like have you ever. I heard of this guy like sincerely. Have you ever heard of austin larkin and in his response was other than seeing him get signed with the team. I haven't heard anything else also spelled him like this guy is completely under the radar and all of a sudden he shows up in the preseason and he all he does is register a sack back a tackle for loss six total tackles just looked like a player who's it was playing for his life and <hes> really impressed especially given that this was the first preseason game the stat line matched up with what we saw in the game like this guy was <hes> he led the team in tackles for the day had the sack the tax laws it was really we <hes> impressive and i'm not saying that you don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that austin. Larkin is going to be the next you know the pass rusher <hes> the next von miller. He's not going to be the next reggie white anything of that sort but you're not thought yeah. That's exactly right well. What i thought was what what i thought was cool to was. He was wearing possibly the ugliest. It's number for a pass rusher sixty-two like he he was smashing everything out of the park like nobody expected from him. He was wearing like the worst number you could possibly we'd be wearing. It was a great night for larkin and everyone's going to take notice now. I would imagine yeah and i think that's that's. The great thing about the preseason is you've got got these random names that suddenly pop up on you know the stat sheets and you're like who is austin larkin and arguably for for fans this who paid attention who watched the first preseason game this now has become a become a name that falcons fans are gonna have to pay attention to like people are going to be watching the practice reports did austin larkin standout practices week. They're going to watch the second preseason game. Did larkin get any tackles for for lost and he did. He do anything notable n._s. Because of that idea that you know sometimes guys slip through the cracks <hes> sometimes you find this diamond in the rough who just simply needed a chance and it rarely rarely rarely turns out you know wanna throw throw some water on the fire here and make sure people understand it. There is a it's a long shot for someone like an austin larkin to make the roster. <hes> you know he is probably at this point aiming for the practice squad but to see him show up in such a way like he did tonight is incredibly encouraging. You gotta think okay this. This is a player. We're going to be interested in for the next few games at minimum so really cool to see his name show up. There was one other name a familiar name name that popped up in <unk>. If you know who i'm talking about let you shall. We say that one two three in the preseason we're preseason form germain grace absolutely so tell me what you assault from grace because he is a name that some fans are familiar with. He's been through atlanta before. <hes> looked good again. Yeah i mean a lot of fans are familiar with them and then he went to. I believe the indianapolis colts their forbidden. Now he's back in atlanta. He had the team's lone interception in the game. <hes> <hes> you know. He had three tackles like he. He looked good. We actually have some pretty good young depth that linebacker for. I can't even remember berlin but yet he looks he looks solid <hes>. I want to see more of him out there but <hes> so that's why it's like it's really you. You know you don't want to get too excited because we still got three more preseason games but like i liked what i saw. I agree and i think a lot of things things we saw the his first round with the falcons the speed you know the really good athleticism showed up on the field today you know that he really abated josh rosen for that reception that he got. It was really good play and i think it's it's okay to get excited about some of these young guys because as <hes> as we saw last year it's we're you're always just one or two injuries away from these guys in playing time and when you get to the the last linebacker on the depth chart whereas you may think okay they may not be active on most game days all it takes is one or due to injuries for these guys to suddenly be not only active but contributing snaps on you know a a snap snap basis in the regular season. Listen <hes> you don't wanna see you wanna see guys like dion jones. Stay healthy etcetera but when you get to the depth. Are these guys that have you see the athleticism. Are these guys that have <hes> you know the the deploy making prowess that you're starting to do and that minimum we what we saw today from jemaine grace's. He looks decent. He looks like a player that if you have to go to win a pinch he can contribute and i think you know it we can always get sort of carried away with preseason predictions and this guy's gonna be an all pro and one day. We're not saying that right. We're we're were basically saying these guys look like decent depth players at minimum <hes> and it's good to see because in the past the falcons have really struggled with <unk> depth and to the point you just made it looks like at the linebacker position. We've got some decent depth with you know some really athletically lee talented guys at minimum and it's it's encouraging based on what we've seen in the past yeah also another name to watch del sean phillips <hes>. He's like far down on the depth chart but he had a pretty good game tonight to <hes>. That's why like i wanna see you know. I know the game's over now. We have have to wait till next week but like wanna quickly see next week. 'cause i wanna see how these guys are gonna develop <hes>. They've got plenty of time still having you know that's the benefit. A lot of the people don't really pay attention to having these five games basically five preseason games. This is technically our second game. Even though for a lot of teams is this was their first so it's like we already have jumped up on him so now heading into next week's technically our third preseason game but it's you know it's ten <unk> by the schedule. It's like our second but we already have two games under our belts so it'll be interesting to see how these guys continue to develop in another thing. I i think we forgot to mention too is if anybody was wondering why matt ryan didn't play is. I guess it was because of the rain all week. It was kind of reported that he would play a little bit. Many just describe him. Amongst other starters you know like several started on the offensive line with the exception of <hes> lindstrom who they put out there looked pretty good by the way at right guard <hes> but no i if you're absolutely right. I think the poor weather they did. They just simply did not want to risk it <hes> which kudos to dan quinn <hes> we've seen teams that <hes> went over aggressive in the preseason the pay the price i would much rather see our guys stay healthy so on the sidelines watch the game and you can get the mountaineer in weeks two three or four if you need to in also there was at least from what i've seen on twitter usually if there's any sort of little injury or somebody comes out but i think we survived this game without anything because there was no this guy's coming out or anything like that like you know there might be minor nick pickups and stuff but from what i saw on twitter and watched on the game. I didn't see anything no injuries or any excellent point. We should be good headed into next week. I've slowly and that is such a critical point in preseason because a watching our nine is absolutely when you're you're dead on on especially when you look at it for those of you on twitter. I've got quite a few people follow for for n._f._l. Football and you you read like injuries happen. The first preseason game and it is a reminder that <hes> there's a good reason you don't play your starters lot in the preseason and you see some of these guys go down and they can't even walk off the field and it's like a it's just a a good wakeup call that these games don't matter her to have zero bearing how this plays out. Let's get these guys healthy into the first game of the regular season that is priority number one and to your point evan from that standpoint the falcons won they came out with very i remember seeing significant injury or guy that couldn't get off the field field so <hes> as obviously a huge huge plus secure does to the falcons in their staff or make sure these guys got through the first preseason game in in in relatively good health lasting. I wanna talk about before we wrap up this very i post game podcast of the two thousand eighteen season. Is that the two guys who started on defense. I think many falcons fans were sort of keenly keeping an eye on that was attack mckinley beasley in again. You can't pay attention to solely just the stats. It's the stats don't always tell the story but from what i saw in i wanna get your opinion on this as well from what i saw mckinley had <hes> it seemed like at least one. Maybe two tackles for loss looked really really good. In attacking the ball and beasley actually had a really significant pressure sure <hes> that was not a bogus one generated it ended up not counting because there is a pass interference call but it looked like are too young pass rushers shire's it for the limited snaps they played were doing what they needed to do and it was something we didn't see a lot of last year. So what are your thoughts on what we saw attack attack in at least into the very limited snaps we saw against miami yeah definitely it's definitely important not up to just focus on the stats because like tack had two tackles in. That's just kinda like vanilla. Doesn't it doesn't scream at you but he looked him. Convict look very explosive. <hes> you know we it was they only played. I think i drive so there wasn't a whole lot to look at their but the place that they were in there. I mean they seem like tack was in the backfield every play <hes> another guy that looked good was <hes> jack crawford crawford came up the middle on two different plays. <hes> actually did like a pretty good swim move on dude <hes> but you know he can't remember who he collided with bike allied with somebody in the fitzpatrick fits magic bringing out of pocket escaped but <hes> it looked look. It sucks because it's just a taste of what you want to see. 'em we won't know i mean. I guess they'll play a little bit more. I think we marie <hes> so well her fourth game of the preseason win. You'll see a lot more of these guys. They usually play. I think the first quarter at the minimum <hes> and that's where we're really see it but <hes> yet tackling explosive vic look good. It should be like i don't wanna get anybody's hopes up but they looked a lot a better than what we've seen before. Put it that way and again. You know a caveat supply preseason week one it it. Please don't make any season-long predictions based on what you saw today. It's four hardy to do so but at minimum we can look at some some of the individual performances and note that these are things we should pay attention to the next few weeks before the seas against here so with that evan evan. Thanks for joining us on the post game podcast our very first two thousand nineteen for the preseason week one. Won't you tell our listeners where they thank. You find you what you've got going on. Yeah i appreciate you have me on. This was fun <hes> so i do you know i write for alchoholic. <hes> this is my first. It'll be my first full season. 'cause i joined last november. I believe so. I'm really like enjoying in this whole preseason experience and stuff like that with the staff. They're all what you see online and in the writing thir- like even like even cooler or somehow in you know a person or whatever so <hes> even w what a month ago in person awesome dude. I'm not just here but <hes> yeah so. I see coming up with the seasonal. Have i believe on thursdays or fridays. They <hes> fantasy preview article for anybody who's into fantasy football in <unk>. I'm mike throwback thursday articles on former falcons buyers. Here's <hes> which is kinda cool. <hes> was today. Today was <hes> gosh. I'm <hes> forty four backlogs his name blink thank you so i don't know one next week is on by <hes> and then what's my other article. I can't remember just follow me on twitter. <hes> yes definitely follow him and he's got a lot of great stuff on his twitter account and and of course at the falcons dot com as from you guys as always you can find me alcoholic d._w._i. On twitter and <hes> here weekly maybe now multiple times a week at the falcons beat podcast and of course all of the fantastic content from our stable of writers at the alcoholic dot com so so for evan burchfield. This is dave walker. 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The Falcoholic Live, Ep139: Josh Harris & Live Falcons Mock Draft

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The Falcoholic Live, Ep139: Josh Harris & Live Falcons Mock Draft

"Falco hall podcast listeners. Welcome to another. Episode of the falcons live. This is your host. Kevin night reminding you to check out. The show live on youtube on wednesday nights at eight ten pm. Eastern to check out our patron page where you can unlock exclusive perks including access to a patron. Qna and a. session where we take falcons questions for about thirty minutes to an hour. That's a lot of fun. You could find that page at patriotair dot com slash alchoholic love. Thank you all for listening. And we hope you enjoy. Today's episode fellow alcoholics. What is up. Welcome to episode one. Thirty nine of the falcon hollick live. I'm your host. Kevin knight joined by a wonderful guest. This evening he is. Josh harris. The falcons longtime long snapper at a you. Jay harris on twitter josh. How are you doing this evening. Doing great doing great. Thank you guys for having me on the comport to talk a little bit with your with you. Absolutely we're excited to have you. Man are also joining us. We have full house of co host this evening. First of all we have eric robinson he is underscore. Eric underscore robinson on twitter. Eric how are you this evening. Doing pretty good man. I kind of wish you just you know has some stuff to talk about on this episode's an outside of josh's interview course there's literally nothing going on. Yes which is why. We've got a live mock draft for you guys because there is nothing going on unless you wanna talk. No offensive josh andrews. But i don't think we could fill an hour of airtime talking about josh andrew. So we're going to have to do a mock draft which i know you guys have been looking forward to as well so don't worry about that also with us tonight. We have evan burchfield at the very easy to remember. Evan burchfield on twitter evan. How're you doing doing online josh. And get your questions for me and you can ask him. Yup yup dies. You could definitely get any questions for josh in. The chat will try to get to as many of those as we can throughout the evening and we also have a very special guest with us. The man the myth the legend at the falcon hollick himself. Dave show dave. How are you this evening doing grid. Glad to be here absolutely always always. We can get dave on here you know. I think dave enjoyed the last mock so much tempted him. Back with the potential of the mocks. So open this time. We can trade down enough to pick up every pick in the draft. I believe in. Yeah we can do it if we try hard enough. I'm sure you know the teams in these mock draft scenarios. They seem very willing to play along with our shenanigans so That's definitely helpful. I don't know that the real nfl would be that open to that but we can dream. That's what this is all about. Also with us tonight will mcfadden at will mcfadden. Twitter will how are you this evening. I'm doing well. Thanks kevin. i'd also like to remind you josh. That you are tight. End at least in the eyes of badme so don't don't discount yourself there. You got some some receiving skills. Apparently in you know game world. I don't know where they got those stats from or those numbers. But eh the more you can do right the more you can do. That was always our biggest conversation. Every time madden came out it was like why do they keep having long tight ends with a forty grade. Like that's man it's that's all right. That's part of the gig. Yeah well that's that was what was funny. I think it was in madden twenty. You had a great forty seven and your number was forty seven so that always confused me. Because i was like wait. So that's also it's insulting to long snappers to make you a forty seven. You know just to be fair but hey what can we do. There's too many problems with madden's to get to in one episode. So i don't. I don't know if we have enough time for all that. Yeah yeah that's a really intense discussion. Know maybe for later in the offseason but josh really excited to have you here obviously i believe you are the third longest tenured player on the roster. At this point you've seen a li- you've been through multiple coaching staffs going into a third one now. So it's just i definitely curious some of the stories over the years but my first question is something lighter topic to start us off on. Have you been able to do anything. Find this off season. I know everyone's been locked down and stuff like that but if you had a chance to relax do anything interesting this offseason. Yeah we've We've we've been able to to spend some time together as as a family. I was to take a trip with my wife Few weeks ago we went up to the north carolina up into the mountains and so got to get away a little bit there but we got three little ones at home so getting them to and from school. You know busy. With a lot of activities. There were going on spring break next week. So next week we'll get our beach trip and and We'll get to spend some time down there and And enjoy it. that's great. Yeah sounds sounds good. My brother was just in miami. Luckily he arrived after the lockdown at ended so it wasn't completely closed down but yeah hopefully you'll have better luck if you next week tab that area of the country so guys i definitely would open up The rest of you. If you have any questions for josh feel free you get those out there. And i'll be checking the chat as well for other questions but yeah go ahead yeah. I've got one you know josh. I think you're in a really unique and interesting position. Kind of being the the bridge between two real fan favorites in matt bryant and young lay and You know i'm just curious if you've seen any maybe similarities. In the way that they approach you know their job their roles That has led them to be very successful for for this team. And also maybe some differences that you've seen. I know both guys have very different personalities. Having having talked to to both of them but know what are the comparisons. And maybe the contrast between those two. While i'll start with the biggest contrast and that would be that to my knowledge young way as always kicked with both clips on And matt ryan bryant used to be a barefoot at kicker way back in his college days so that that could be one of the What what are the main differences for them there but i do see a lot of similarities in a lot of it comes in just their approach to the game and you know the position that they have on the team and the work ethic that they have to. You know i guess you know. Prepare themselves the best way that they know how you know. Not just during the off season you know and fine. Tuning their Their skill and their craft but during the season. And making sure that you know in any given moment whether it's in practice or in a game that they're stepping up and they're ready to go whenever their numbers called and that's something that you gotta want you gotta want that moment and that's something that both of them definitely Exhibit and something. That i think is very you know. Very good trait to have at any position. But especially the kicker possession men thanks so much. Yeah absolutely Want to give you guys thrifty guys opportunity to get any questions and you have as well so whoever would like to go next minds up. Go ahead eric. What you meant to touch a little bit on your your high school background because of course. I'm pretty sure you didn't play long. Snapper your entire life. Of course you had other positions that you got in in other aspirations give the fans a little bit of insight or your high school career. Yeah i I played three sports from the time i was. You know nine years old all the way through high school so there was never really an offseason but for football specifically snapping wasn't the only position that i played You know during high school. And so i did that on top of playing defense mainly and i played linebacker plates defensive end i was running back Earlier in my childhood days there or may not be some Some highlights tape of that way. Way down deep in the in the closet but Defense was was my role. I enjoyed it. I love everything about it and you know even now as a snapper still you know. It's a unique position. Because i get to go from playing offense to dan immediately playing defense again and so get to kind of do the same things that That i used to do in high school. But i just enjoy. The game of football is incredible and being able to play as many positions. Play as many sports as possible. I think it is huge. The whole idea of specializing just playing one position or one sport. You know the. I don't think works for everybody and i'm just glad that i got the opportunity to to experience a lot of different sports a lot of different positions. And here i am now is one of the most obscure positions on the team as a snapper which it everybody's got a crazy story and that just happens to be mine so which is telling me is almost ten years. We've had as rusher just sitting on a bench. It's just there. There's been a really good A picture from high school days that used to float around some team meetings every now and then you know shoulder pads were like twelve sizes too. Big a risk taped off. I'm just working a an offensive tackle. The probably get to a sack or at least that's my story and i'm sticking to. It could have been good for you. Know for at least at least a pass rushing specialist and lease quickly pirates. Yeah yeah yeah. I guess not reminds me of a question i had was that as obviously playing long snapper. You'll be active every game. Have you actually been cross trained to play any positions as like an emergency backup for for any other positions on the roster at any point during your time in atlanta. yes and no Not not not really in depth. I run down on kickoff cut coverage teams as of the scout team. You know stand in anywhere. I need to on scout teams for For special teams but also play a little scout team. Tied in the are walk throughs. I've been at quarterback during linebacker drills. I've played a linebacker in a like a seven on seven red zone situation before so it kind of sprinkled in here and there but at the end of the day my my job to to snap the ball and But i'm there to do and help in any any way that i can listen the more you can do the better off. You're going to be so i. I'm happy to fill in wherever they wherever they need me. Yeah i was gonna say. Should we read into the fact that you're listed as a linebacker on your google profile. Your your linebacker. Their plans for your bullets for dave. You're blitzen from everywhere long snapper included. We're all linebackers in the dean. The yes yeah. that's great. Yeah that's very interesting. yeah. I don't know if anybody else had any questions. They want to get into as well. Josh who will go ahead of me. Yeah people still later on. You know i don. I wanted to ask questions but there was one thing that would i not sure. And he told me a funny story that i tried to get into words but it just like doesn't translate as well josh. If you don't mind tell tells story about the The the team employees who had no idea like who were that sounds good to me. Yeah i mean. There's there's a few of those stores. But i know which one you're talking about So a few years ago we were playing seattle on a monday night at seattle and we got back. I mean at probably six seven o'clock the next morning and we were going into the facility to get some tape review film review recovery type stuff After the game walking up the staircase to our special teams coaches office and A guy that works in the The it department was coming down the stairs and he looked at me and he goes all man. You'll long night. I said yeah it was and then he goes Well did you go to the game. And i just kind of looked at him. I said yeah. Yeah i went. I went yeah late night late night. We're we're we're back in it now. So that's just part of the as part of a life of being the snapper and there's a bunch of other stories similar to that that I can tell as well but that's a good one. That's funny disrespect more. That's all right. That's all right. Yeah okay. I believe will had a question as well so go ahead will. Oh why. I was just a kind of just wondering you know you. You've done with the team for such a long time and there have been some really good special teams players on on this group. Like who who do you view as like the best special teams player that they have played with the years. Probably a lot of gunners like eric weems or the likely tap that you know who are the guys that you've kind of had the most admiration for. Yeah i would i would start. I my my rookie year. Antone smith who also like every time he touched the ball on offense or it was crazy. I every running ads. Like a forty yard touchdown run but to watch him like the grit that that that he played with was unbelievable. I mean to run the way that he could make plays Any position on special teams was was special. And then you mentioned eric williams. I mean that guy was a legend in the special teams world. And he i got a chance to to play with him for a few years and he was a personal protector on the punt team. So we got to work really closely together and we had to be all on the same page with that protection calls and things like that and it was a true pro he. He knew his role and he executed it better than you know a lot. A lot of people give him credit for and justin bethel falls into that category as well. I mean we had him on the team just a few years ago and Do all those guys just the amount heart and the want to that. It takes to play special teams. All those are just a few guys that you know i. I could talk about a a teammate. That i've had it's out there on special teams whether those but it takes a special type of guy to wanna go out and do that type of dirty work. And i just have this tremendous amount of respect for for everybody that goes out there and does the job that we're required to do and You know some have had just been stellar. Just you know above average obviously names and people that have done a great job for us spend. i'm glad to have been able to call them teammate. Yeah and I also have kind of one followed for that is can you walk us through a little bit of the relationship in the conversations that like you and sterling hoffer actor has compared to like you boxer like just the relationship i guess between a long snapper and a and a placeholder like what is what does that like. What are you guys work on throughout the week and going into a big kick or something. Yes so a lot of that especially this year with sterling This past season yeah. This was his first time holding. So that was a big deal you know and it was important for us to be able to get on the same page and be able to have our operation down And not to wear. Cou could trust it and really. That's that that's ultimately the the main goal is you know everybody needs to be on the same page and we all have to be able to trust each other and that's something that you can really only get through repetition and practice we can. We can talk about it but until you're actually out there catching snaps and throwing balls back there to him. You know. that's where you're gonna figure out. Where does he catch it. You know how far away from his body does he catch the ball. That's gonna affect how far the balls traveling obviously which is also gonna affect how many times how fast the That ball is rotating and so where he catches it where the laces are where he catches it. That's something that we all have to figure out and make sure that we can do that consistently so that coup doesn't have to places and you know he keeps booting them through and that's pretty that's for every holder you know what it was the same with bosscher or any of the other guys that we've had that have come in and it's the same with as well and it's something. We'll continue to work on and wrapping. Get as good as we. Can you know give possibly can at it damn this. This process is so fascinating. I it was. I wish it was like talks about more popular in like it. Just the accuracy in the ability that you can do this like strike after strike after show. It's like it's like a pitcher in like just the ability to have the command to do it like you can't mess up. Frankly like you care. And that's right. I wish i got more respect. Yeah i agree. I i laugh them like yeah. You know the a quarterback that has you know x. Amount of you know completion percentage or whatever you know all this guy. This guy made the pro bowl this year with a kick a field goal percentage of ninety percent. I'm like man. I ninety percent. Completion percentage on my snaps. Like i wouldn't be out for very long. You know look look at it. this way. you're the league's best like seven yard. Passer upside the highest rate in that category right there. Yeah exactly yeah. And that's that's one of the more interesting things right at. It's long. Snapper is a position that you probably. It's kind of like a catch twenty two because it'd be nice if everyone knew who you were but if everyone knows who you are probably means something bad happened and that's kind of the nature of the nfl. Unfortunately so doing your job. Only the people that really pay attention Might know who you are on a daily basis interesting dichotomy of being anonymous. But it's for the right reasons. So yeah i guess one of the things i'm curious about is when you knew that long snapper was going to be your home. Was it once you've got to auburn or was it even before that it was. It was definitely when i got to auburn Because it really wasn't even until i graduated high school that i realized snapping was something that could give me a chance at the next level and i grow growing up a huge auburn fan. That was the only place I wanted to go. And i just showed up to the walk on trial the morning of the first and the first day of classes in two thousand seven and a half through that season i got a call to come out to the team and that was kind of the moment wires. I said okay. Well now. All i'm going to do is snap and i would kind of ask him if i could do anything else if they needed. Help doing stuff and it was to a certain degree. Maybe not so much my first couple years but it was no. You know you don't need to be doing now. We don't need to get you hurt running down on kickoff and us not really body the ball or something like that. So yeah what college where snapping it was. The only thing one wants to kill anybody. That's what that will do. Good tackles in my career. I've got. I've got some pictures hanging up that That had some good fit the the from some good tackle. So that's the last thing they needed. Where you you know running down bobby boucher some times. Sometimes it reminds me of moore. Anderson the falcons kicker from like before matt ryan or matt bryant. Told me a story of you know he. He was in a position where he was the last line of defense for a a kick return for a touchdown and he generously declined to make the tackle attempt on this huge human being more than anderson. Not exactly the most story tackler and coach got onto him and he said you know coach. You don't pay me to do. Coach was like took him aside and was like you know you're right but like just don't say that for the team again. Okay reminds me of that but no you fast. Go ahead go ahead. We'll did did malcolm or not. Now kenyan ever talk about that tackle that you had on. Speaking of special teams tackles in carolina. So that was that was bosch but bosch goddamn sorry about that anyway because when when kb came on you know and obviously embossed we're going back and forth about you know the play the hit and all this that and the other you know. He's looking at me and me being. Kp would go back and forth from our auburn and oregon national championship game against each other. Where tackled him. Or i'd say i tackled him. I was in on a tackle. I'll put it that way. But but when i told the story join you know i had to pull the picture up and show him where. There was a picture of me tackling in in the championship game. So that's my story. But hey that he's he's one of the best he's a he's a great dude and happy for him he just wanted to another super bowl. I think that's his third now. So he's he's balling. Thank you for saving me on that. Just taking credit for like. Oh yeah. I see should. Because i wrote a great tweet about the boston that i was ready to. Just give it all to you josh. I was going to be like man. That was the best tackle. It was pretty great. I wish i could. But i can't take the credit for that one. Yeah now i mean honestly like you do. I think it's almost every year you've had you've had tackles on specialty of so. No one can accuse you of not trying to tackle here and there. So it's that linebacker background coming through. So yeah rose exactly right. Yeah i guess my next question is know you played with a lot of different team members. Obviously several different coaching staffs now. Who are some of the your favorite guys that you just that you worked with that you hung out with over the course of of your time with the falcons. Oh goodness well. I mean this is. The easy answer is obviously the all the specialist. I mean we're kind of in our own world you know. I mean even at practice. We're on our own field until it's our period you know to come in and and do our part but so obviously bosscher and bryant You know obviously now sterling and coup but but everybody that has come through whether it's been a guy that's been here for a couple of weeks filling in for an injury. You know always just trying to make time to To introduce obviously myself my family. Welcome into the home if that works out But i tell you what we've had a lot of really great Guys on the falcons over the years. Both coaches and players you know. Julio jones has been one of the most professional human beings. I've ever been around in my life and you know what he does on the field. Each and every day i think is only overshadowed by the type of person that he is off the field and You know that shows and you know how he interacts with everybody in the locker room and everybody in the building and there's there's so many others that really could could say you know i'll just stop there for 'cause i don't wanna i don't wanna leave anybody out if you're right. Yeah i don't think you have to worry about them watching the show. If i'm being honest or not well you never know. You never know so. You know it's cool though. Sanal see you know. Some guys that you know are being. You know inducted into the hall of fame you know that. Were teammates or that. I played against you know and stuff like that. So that's that's really neat to be able to see that and Tony gonzales being one of those guys and You know just kind of neat to be able to to say shared locker room and and game day with with some of those guys that have made. This grant made this game. You know great long before. I was here and It's just it's fun to be able to share in some of those moments with them you have you have a couple more in a few years. No doubt doubt jackets. Def yeah i think so for sure. Yeah yeah you guys have have any other questions for josh. Go header give you. The answer is yes kevin. Yes i want to know. What was the recruiting process. Like you coming out of high school. Recruited you offered short answer. Nobody i i didn't have you know i guess i had some letters from Some schools for a walk on position. bows i was never offered any any money or any type of scholarship to to to go play anywhere I got a letter from birmingham southern and it was going to be their first year ever having a team and i remember thinking like i might be a cool opportunity Might be able to actually play. But at the end of the day. I i grew up like i said big auburn fan only place i wanted to go and i figured you know what the heck if i if i try out and they say no then at least i. I gave it a shot. I didn't wanna look back. You know years later and wonder you know what what could have been. You know if. I didn't at least show up that morning and snap a few balls to to coach so it was really cool. How it all worked out. Or we sure birmingham. Southern is not like a school in downtown. Birmingham's a never before we are. We are sure actually know somebody who played for birmingham southern shout. Shout out birmingham. Southern i guess there you go. Yeah josh i actually inadvertently. I think i watched a game of yours at auburn. I was visiting a friend who who ended up signing with auburn to play offensive tackle. And i was there. And he kinda got me in as a recruit which is a total joke. Because i should not have been recruited tight auburn but by the whole light end zone seat with your family the wristband to get the food and like go in the tunnel and everything under hat like during halftime and that was the twenty eleven season. So i think you guys were playing some probably school or whatever but It was definitely a blowout victory. So before i met you play where exactly. Yeah all right. Dave your turn. Now i know you've got something so yeah no. I was just wondering what your first impressions of monarchy's williams are so far. Seems like a really cool guy interested to see as a first time. Special teams coach. How he's connecting early on. Oh yeah. I've a chance to To meet with marquees a few different times and actually last year when we played detroit Had a pretty lengthy conversation with him during pre game Which was kinda cool. Because when he came in and gave me a call to say that you know maybe he was coming to atlanta. He remembered that conversation that we had. and so. it's kinda neat. How how that all works out. But he's had some experience with With coup as well back with Back with the chargers a few years ago and so he comes in Obviously detroit had a really good Special teams unit The last couple years while he's been there and so really looking forward to working with him and learning from him and and going out there and And making a difference on special teams. You know it's a third of the game and we're you know our jobs to bring the juiced affect field position and put points on the board create turnovers all the above you know. And that's that's what i think he's going to bring and Bringing good attitude to come in and be ready to to go out there and play. That's also. I'm definitely excited to see. You know if anything is different you know when you have a new staff. Obviously things are going to change. It's just kinda hard to quantify beforehand but it's very exciting and yeah it seems like they have a very good mix of they have a very experienced guy and hoffman and then they have a younger guy williams kind of like a rising star so i think they have a great mix some excited to see how you guys do this year with this new coaching staff which obviously fans are very excited about so all right. I did have an interesting question for. I promised i would ask from from kills creates one of our longtime viewers. He wants to know if you're an anime fan josh. No unless family guy counts like family. Gun probably doesn't count. I assume he means like jack. But yeah so there you go now. You know for sure. It was his burning question. I guess so. Is that a burning question for everybody though. Like i want to see everybody. Come on and get asked that just yet. Maybe we should just now just so. We have like a log of who who does anime on team. We need a spreadsheet. Yeah we're gonna get on that but yeah i know. A lot of fans are very appreciative of you coming on because know people don't think long snapper often but i think it's like will had said it's a very unique perspective on the team. Very unique interactions very unique things that the long snapper does you know with the with the holder and the kicker that the normal fan doesn't get to see much of that you know except the final end result on game day and it's fascinating to hear you talk about that. We do appreciate that all right. Yes so anybody else have questions for josh tonight. I've got kind of like a more off. You know not football oriented but more just like in the facility aid. You have a go to meal for lunch and be. What was the best lunch table that you ever saw throughout your career with falcons just like that. I want to be at that lunch table. They have the best conversations goodness. I don't really have a to meal a mix it up to keep the body guessing little bit Hit a salad bar every once in a while you gotta go with the old line. I mean the conversations that those guys have i mean. That's that's you gotta get on those and so those lunch tables were probably the best. And i guess. I'm kind of an offensive. Lineman i mean you know a little bit. So there's there's a little bit of a gray area there. So i would by myself at that table from time to time and always enjoyed my time with those guys ceylan gary just talking about him. Twenty four seven t that. Yeah go ahead. i didn't mean time off. I think might instill later something. Go go ahead josh ship. It no i was just joking saying usually my my conversations with caleb had been around hunting so been able to take him out and so we we enjoy that and so it's got in common nice very cool. Yeah go ahead i. I don't know if you're allowed to answer this. I guess you are but Did you have thoughts on there being an extra game now. Yeah i mean obvious. Last year with the negotiation of of the cba You know that seventeenth game was something that was brought up and able to put into play. Obviously the owners just did that recently and it is an extra game but you know my thoughts on it. Or what are the player's receiving in return for that seventeenth game and for me the benefits of that. We were receiving as a league league-wide From that includes the practice squad guys all the way through to The highest earners in the league. Everybody was going to be seeing increases in benefits and in pay for the most part for the for agreeing to play that seventeenth game and you lose a preseason game so i guess you could also ask most people that would they rather get a regular season game. Check or a preseason game check. They'd probably go for the regular season game. Check but there. There's a whole lot of other details that that we could dive into on that. But i don't know if you guys want to go into the weeds on some of those issues are not but I'm looking forward to it. I think what we have. The jags is as who who we're supposed to play so That that'll that'll be interesting. You know we'll have to get used to two different number for records and things like that but Hey the game It's getting bigger and you know as a result. Obviously you see the tv deals that were just signed and that's only going to increase future salary caps and benefits players. Even more which. I'm all for josh. You've been the falcons. Nfl pa representative over the years. You know can you kind of take us behind the curtains of of what that's like like what these discussions conversations meetings and everything like. What are they entail. Yeah i took over for For matt bryant Few years ago. And i joked with him. I'm like man while you were the rat. Nothing was really going on. I said as soon as i take over. It's like drinking through a fire hose. I got a new. Cba on the table. We got a global pandemic. Goodness talk about getting thrown to the fire but Yeah it's really interesting. Each team has a rep and basically your job is to be the voice of your own so any issues that come up that need voting on or they're just looking for feedback from is my job is to along with some of the other alternates is to try to gather as much information as possible. Try to provide as much information to guys that are asking questions as well and You know try to make the best decision as a as a group as a whole and and that's typically how it works. I mean we'll have calls periodically we've had more in the last you know few months than we probably normally would have. But that's just part of the business and it's really interesting to see that side of football right the business of football and how that works between the player and owner relationship it. It's been. I've really enjoyed getting to learn more about that and get to serve my team know for sure that get makes one hundred percents cents. Yeah well welcome in odd ninety catches as well at say which way on twitter are non. We are mid interview with josh harris. I didn't know if now that you're here if you had any questions you'd like to ask ask josh popping right in on s josh. Got to forgive him. I know he put the little schedule getting the twitter. Hey hey i'm not. Tolerating twitter slander. Goff's thanks for someone for joining us up. I wanna know who who. The most bump person is in the locker the most fun. I very subjective. Very subjective question. Yeah i mean it's not like college right where everybody's in at the same age and everybody the same place alliant friday. You guys don't have kids. I have a bunch of kids and it's It's hard to figure out exactly who who's the most fun but It's it's probably got to be once again. Probably an offensive lineman. If i had to guess you know that would probably be one of them. Hey they like to have the most fun i think and They usually have some good stories to tell which is why they're lunch. Table is is one of the best ones that said that sometimes. That's a good one. Yeah i all guys me too. Yeah yeah go ahead. Go ahead josh. How long have you guys been playing. It's friday song on fridays. How long has that been going on. I mean at least since two thousand twelve. At least i mean that can seem forever. Since the falcons were formed. They've been playing friday on. I mean it's a tradition. you know. listen. I'm a big golfer. I love the masters but you know a tradition. Unlike any other is friday you know being played in the locker room on fridays. That's just a towel works. that's great. That's awesome yeah yeah It's been about forty minutes of grilling josh harris. So if you guys have any final questions in the chat Get those in there. We'll start the mock draft soon as well but yeah obviously you guys. Do you have any final questions. There for josh. Go ahead and get those out there. Yeah i guess. I just ask you. Are you hoping to pull the tom brady or are you hoping to play till forty five or do you have any idea on that or i will play as long as they have me. As long as they have body feels great. You know and my family is in a great spot to be able to help me through anything you know life can throw at me. I'm so thankful to have My wife cameron back home to be able to To take care of our three little ones and allow me to train and do the things necessary to keep my body right and ready to go Each season. So i'm i'm just a next one is going to be the best one. And that's that's the attitude. I got very cool. Yeah yeah i mean. it's not the most. You're not necessarily getting tackled ten times a game or twenty times a game or anything like that so i think it is certainly possible for long snappers to play for a long time so we certainly would like to have you stick around as long as possible because reliable long snapping as we said. You don't realize you need it until it's a problem so especially someone was actually born in georgia in raisin gorgeous on eighty and. I'm pretty sure that future as well being able to play for down long in his home state so josh i m curious though like when when you go through regime changes you've done a couple of times like what's the thought process like as a player you know like what what are those conversations with the new coach or the new gm when they come in and they reach out to you or or do they reach out to you. Yeah i mean most. I mean most coaches will reach out to you know just to introduce themselves say hello But one thing i've noticed. Is you know most coaches. They can see better than they can hear so no matter what type of conversation you have with new coaches you know. All all that really matters is them. You know seeing that you're gonna be a professional. You're going to be a pro that you're gonna train. Do the things required. You know that are necessary to do your job at a high level and so you know. Obviously the communication standpoint is great but My personal you know. I guess approach to it is just a show them the type of worker type of athlete and the type of team mate that i am and You know you can really do that through you. Know through putting into action you know. And so that's That's what i try to do is just be myself Train like i normally would and you know. Try to prove it to them because you know the say. The nfl is not for long. I mean it's You know one of those things that you know each and every day is kind of its own interview. I mean you gotta do well today so they can bring you back tomorrow. And that's the mentality. That that i keep and so trying to To just be the best version of myself Each and every season and And be the best teammate. That i can be along. The way is usually goes goes a good ways yemen. You've absolutely crusted in all aspects so far so can congratulate Again nothing but the best move forward question Of i didn't mean to cut off the nothing. You can just go out and trying to raise my hand. But i wasn't a question. I was just gonna make comment about what a thank god. Long snapper is like and mentioned you. You know you never mentioned it unless something goes wrong. And where the falcons Because of the work. You've done josh. We never mentioned it. We haven't mentioned for like the past decade of all. It's such a terrible like snap go at went over the head of the point like i. I don't recall anything like that. So yeah you've definitely done fantastic Well we all got a knock on wood now. I mean my job. I'm gonna get on twitter. I'm at first time. It happened all out. Not as long as we're in agreement. One question i guy Speaking with you you tell me about how. Obviously you're from georgia. But you wear falcons fan. Did you have any favorite like grownup stuff. Oh you know what my guess. knee was. Kind of a falcons player. So i felt players in january. Yeah so i had to jerseys as a kid still to this day The only two jerseys of mine that i've ever had were terrell davis and brett farve and those guys i know two different positions but i wanted to be thrilled every everytime i touched the ball as a youth football player like i wanted to be. Terrell davis ma high salute in you know scoring touchdowns And then obviously brett farr. You know being the quarterback that he was the gunslinger a lot of fun to watch and those are some of my earliest. Nfl memories I believe they had a super bowl back in the day where i think they played each other. And so those are those are my guys. Those were my my my biggest Probably the guys that for the most that i can remember at a young age pretty cool very cool all right so viral fifty six needs to know. What's your hype song anything any. I mean it really depends on the mood. That i'm in that day but i mean if we're before a game or like a workout or whatever it's got to be some type of old jisi i love jisi. He gets ago. I mean he's been the soundtrack to work workouts and hard training tire life. So that's gotta be. He would have to be on there at some point. You know that's That i enjoy it. Yeah that's a good. That's a good. That's a good one. I will accept that as josh. You who drives the nicest car. Oh that's such a big thing of argument there so many nice cars we can just go on. Track know but but is different. There's different levels of what you consider nights like. Is there like a luxury car or is it a sports car or is it like the g wagon is. Everybody has there. There's a lot of g wagons for sure a lot of g wagons out there. I'm a guy. So i don't i don't really know about like exactly what the nicer stuff is right now. But you know are just got a new tesla. It's pretty nice. You know you can drive itself. No it's did you did. You really like yanni's counties truck the shelby. I'd yeah the sheldon truck. I mean that was. That was the first time i had ever seen one of those. I didn't even know they made those. So that was that was. That was pretty cool aggressively. Big describe you got. I don't know if you remember. Croix bearman struck that he had years years ago. It was probably three times. The size of a massive. It's bureau now. Keanu neal is was a little bit of a dark horse. Pick for giant a truck. Yeah croix not so much. Yeah i think my main takeaway. That sterling hawker drugs accessible very ecoconscious sterling off rector. He's from syracuse. I'm not surprised there's a lot of tests gonna work up a nickname form based on that. Well i told him me and coomer telling him that you know. He's still owes us a rookie dinner. So the only way that we can do it if he gets to take us all. And the tesla you know and maybe show us how it works. So we'll see. That seems fair. Yeah that's fair. Yeah all right guys any final questions. Before we transition to the mock draft up to who we there was a very exhaustive questioning. And you pass with flying colors josh. So thank you for putting up with all of our questions. Thank you for answering the chats questions as well our guys. Well before we go to the doctor. I forgot to do my traditional stuff of ask you to if you are enjoyed. The show. Please like it's describe. We appreciate those metrics. Thank you guys for doing that. If you're interested in supporting the show at a monthly base you can check us out on patriots patriot dot com slash alchoholic live. We doing our next patron q. And a. session. Next tuesday the sixth of april. It's going to be at eight ten pm eastern so our usual time. Those are a lot of fun. So if you're interested in getting in on that a patron qna you see plenty of time to sign up. Just make sure a patron before. Tuesday so you can get the link to that and make sure to follow everyone on twitter including josh harris who is at a you. Jay harris on the twitter dot com All right so. Let's get into some draft takes. I know everyone is very excited about it. Obviously there was a lot that happened before we get to that though. I do want to give josh a chance to exit. Because i don't want to necessarily subjective to seven rounds of intense draft discussion. So josh joke twenty minutes to decide the seventh ron did yeah. That's pretty brutal. So i don't know that we need to force you. So yeah josh. We obviously really appreciate you coming up anything you want to add anything you want to plug for you take off. Well i hey thank you guys for having me on as good chatting with you Hopefully about to see you guys around a little more season cova. It'll allow you know. More people in the stands more people around and stuff like that. So we'll We'll get that going but yeah You know if you're looking for charities too that you want to donate to I i'd recommend the letsie forty-three foundation. That's the foundation that i've represented through Mike calls mike leads the last couple years. And then also chase the victory foundation in In carrollton georgia Chase mcdaniel was a high school football player for the trojans who passed away a couple years ago and the foundation was set up to To help his family and Other cancer patients as well. So those are two to charities that a lot to me and If you're feeling like it you know feel free to To donate to those guys head josh. Can i just say thank you for bringing up the letsie foundation. He actually went to school. Just right down the road from mine and i played against him in in high school. He played the same position. I did tight end. And i just remember scouting report was hey look out for fulfill like he's the best player they have. He's gonna crush it. I know his sister. So thank you so much again. Everybody please donate to that foundation. It does amazing work absolutely absolutely. Well thank you guys. I appreciate it. Yep absolutely have a great man. Thanks for coming on. Thank you all right there. He was guys demand the myth the long snapping legend josh harris. So don't say we never do anything nice for you. I know saying that but just in case you were thinking but yes. Mock draft season is upon us. Obviously a ton of stuff happened this week with the forty niners trading up to three the dolphins moving back to twelve within twenty minutes. Moving back up to six with the eagles. The eagles are twelve. So the mock drafts obviously very different. So it's gonna be our first mock for both site. An alcoholic lives since all of these crazy traits have gone down so excited to get to that. I know you guys have plenty of takes. I know there are going to be lots of arguments I see george has arrived. So i'm sure drains seeing drink right now. Rallying hydrating this momentous occasion exactly and using an astor guy. Georges no longer who he wants the fourth. I figured as soon as he saw that four four four from kyle pits. He just started swag walk and just wherever he was is like. Oh i'm so right so you know. I'm not gonna george george. You've been on my mind a lot the past couple weeks just because watching all of this with kyle pits. I'm thinking i wouldn't hate it. I i wouldn't be for it. I wouldn't be like you know. Go get caught. Bits of four but we took out. I wouldn't hate it. Yeah i mean. I think we've all kind of warmed up to it you know. I think george definitely contributed to me being like okay like maybe i should take this a little bit more seriously and you know i did finally actually go back and watch more than like highlights kyle pits and like yes giorgio absolute right kyle. Pits is a tremendous talent. And i think really what has kind of made. The difference is when you really consider the tight end and the value in arthur smith's offense. I think that's really to me. What made it more likely is because we know how much arthur smith respects the tight end position. How big of a deal. It is to him you know. He was the most twelve third most thirteen personnel and the most highest percentage of tight end targets in the nfl last year with jonnu smith obviously but his number two tight end. You know was a bunch of different guys. So yeah yeah yes is it does help that Because of george we've covered Kyle pits more than any other show on the internet month but yeah he is in my opinion. The best tight end prospect. I've ever seen coming out of college. But but here's the thing he so he started as bit and then kind of became a movement. And i think that the fact the falcons have been publicly this like it came out today to meetings were at his pro day meeting scheduled. I almost take that as kind of concrete evidence that they are not going kyle pits for. Ayob never does this. There's never like unless you're like the number one pick most teams aren't like publicly linked to the guy that they're taking. Remember the dolphins to that whole like justin herbert to like. Are they really into justin. Herbert more than two like like they do smokescreens this time a year. If the falcons are looking maybe to shop the number four pick they should be invested in as many prospects as possible to get as many suitors as possible thinking they will take the guy that they like it number four so i think that there may be smoke screening a little bit even though i would love pits for but outside of trevor lawrence. They've been linked to just about everybody. That point rice will yeah. I mean it's it's it will be easier to truly dissect if they didn't have a hey coach. That was a former titans coach. That also emily feature tight ends in his office the past two years. You say okay yeah. That's probably the most pittsburgh that dynamic looking at it now and then you look at the aspect and i know we don't like to put a whole lot of Commissioning in into showing up for pro days. But the fact that he was the head coach was at his pro day. Today was another thing to look at is is it probably is getting a little series at the very least also also have no idea how knowing smith are going to handle it moving forward. We've never seen these guys in action running their own team so you know. Maybe they know maybe they can read material that you know. It's going to be quarterback verse three picks and i've been bets fair to say and they're like you know the scout the hell out of kyle pits in who cares if if if other teams know we're doing it What's going to be interesting is is like every and the falcons have have said this over the years is that it's a partnership between head coach and gm you know and and they said that again this offseason during his hiring cycle was you know if if you're having to have conversations about who stays who goes than like you've already not done a good enough job you need to do a better job before you get to that point where it's like. I have more power than you do. Here's who sang. Here's who's going but those conversations naturally do happen. And i think that this draft will really tell us what the kind of power structure is in this new organization if they do truly go best player available which is what a gm would want because the gm just wants the most talented roster possible to coach the one that has to implemented on sundays or so. The coach is always gonna want need. He's going to say we need to plug this hole. Because i can't win with this whole in our ship but the gm is just like if this turns into a star. It means. i'm good at drafting. So we're gonna figure this out it in april and may but like that's the most fascinating part because we're all sitting here kind of like struggling for content a little bit and it's because we don't know how this power structure works but it's not like every options on the table and for that reason it's really fun very lee. She can say that there are plenty of healthy discussions as far as which direction. Because yes and. I don't think they necessarily know where they wanna go right now. You know. I don't think they know i don't think they're there. They may not even truly no surprise the night before the draft to be quite honest with you. I mean that's how a lot of teams drafting high really don't know where to go i was. I'm such a draft nerd. I was watching ninety eight. Nfl draft our draft board. Officially bill pull came on and said that they didn't gonna take eight manning until the evening before the draft so it's just like teams best. It's teams are really going back and forth but mentally. I think the interest important about is the fact that we know the falcons can go in so many different ways and outside of maybe a few prospects. I don't think any of us can say that's the wrong direction ago. You know they were state and go it's or lance or feel or even chase big we all can look at those five pigs and say okay. I get why they win. Yeah yeah what. What so much would so much fun though about this conversation is it's the exact inverse of what we've been having of over the years where we had a gm with a track record that we could look at and say okay. He does do on needs. He does tend to like these players. He has a hit and miss record of x. On this position but they were always drafting in the twenty s right. Now we're in the top five. We know who the prospects are. It's this guy is going to be there. This is going to be there. All these guys are gonna be there. Who are they picking. We just don't know because we don't know this. Gm fascinating yeah we all. I was starting to get really good at predicting. The falcons picks like especially kind of day three like early guys. I called the kamensky pick which was special time for me but that was the only one so far but like drancy not pick. Hey there you go yes. They were getting kind of predictable like they had type. They always kind of win after this type and it was. You know big ends and guys that are freak. Athletes late on late in the draft. Pick wasn't much of a shot to us says it was knew how they like particular corner prospects and you knew they kind of go against the grain when it comes to drafting. Certain guys like yeah. They probably wanted to corner but is not the corner. You probably think it is probably someone else in the yeah. I mean they have a habit of taking the guys. I mock in the second. In the first round. Mocked chris lindstrom in the second. They took christmas from the first. I mocked keanu on the second took on the first and then aged torelli mocked the second multiple times and they also took him in the first so like maybe just whoever i mocked him in the second is actually to be there pick. Maybe that's what i start but none of those moves has been bad. So maybe i was the one low on those players i say yeah so maybe but do you want to get to georgia's tip you know who he is. Why he's here. He's here to talk about kyle. Pitts says kyle. Pets is the best choice i feel. He makes us contenders. He's a red zone monster. He could have fifteen touchdowns. I believe ryan has three good years left. At least i don't no reason to take back when i think we can win now so for me. It's pits or ser tan. Yeah ser tan is a dark horse. i dink thirteen. It'll probably be after a trade down but they were out in force at alabama's first pro day and i you know they weren't there to scout mack jones. I'll tell you that so. I think they were probably taking a look at you. Know kevin. I do know that okay. What mug jones hype train has left the station. it has. it has yeah guys. Passengers can be picked way before valk alkan select. So i don't worry point. Does second hand undercut us. He swooped in to take match. Turns in front of the falcons so he bought hi- exactly whenever you can give up three first round pick per match ups. You just have to do it. So i love. I feel like that's the achilles heel for a guy like shanahan and we don't even know that's going to be the peck but like him and mcvay. It always seemed the same way to me. It's like i want this guy. Because he's gonna do what i tell him to do and i know he can do it. You know and it's like maybe a little bit less about the raw talent than how i can mold you you know i. That's a wonderful point. Yeah absolutely like right on. They liked to be known as the like. We transformed matt ryan into an mvp candidate. Yes exactly yeah. Teams love to galaxy brain. Their draft picks this is. This is common knowledge. I mean just look at mitchell a result business results business if you can if you can put a badge on your lapel you do it and then you tell people that you did it because that's how you get another job and like that's kind of the the hidden truth behind everything. Yeah yeah. I mean our guys well. Let's let's transition into some draft. So mach drafting so. I've got the mock draft machine ready to go here You know it better. Pick three straight quarterbacks like ninety percent of the time it does so great quarterbacks it does inject like it tried. They said their algorithm does try to inject like complete randomness because the draft is random. And like i think we all expect moxie. Just go crazy. But we're gonna we're gonna if it doesn't get three quarterbacks before four. We're going to rerun the simulation because i think it's the chances of a quarterback knock going one two and three are probably like in the single digit so we will start it up here. We'll see you the first three pixar and then we will go from there if it's all ishmail three times we're winning. Come all ishmail. Kemal ishmael to kamala. Third way's good name. Their children the moral bailed out. Okay so we do have three. Quarterbacks going off the board so trevor lawrence went first overall to jaguars not a surprise. Zack wilson to the jet. To not a surprise and then the forty niners do not take jones they take trae lance at three which i view is not as likely as field but i don't think it's anywhere near as outlandish as mac joads. Those work offer traits. They show you can walk and also can you not like just input solutions. You can manually do trades they will also teams will sometimes call you with trades. Sometimes they decide to do it all the time and offers you yes so sometimes they will call an offer. You sometimes you can. They won't but you can always manually set up any trades you want. so that. means that for the falcons. The the options remaining justin fields obviously at quarterback kyle pits tight end jay march as wide receiver. Tonight sewell offensive. Tackle patrick ser. Tan is another defensive player. You would consider but the question is do we want. Do we think fields as worth fourth and we just wanna take him. Do we want to consider trae downs for this mock draft because it might be spicier you know like we don't have to make this the most accurate mock draft. We try to be really spicy if you want. But this on draft might act guarantees. They wanna use up the entire team. What what yes. One one hundred percent or maybe they won't because now not covering that event and they'll just immediately and that person's life easier but Field fields is my choice. Still right now. I mean i think if this was the real draft they would take fields without hesitation. It's it's fields. I think that's the rexona going to go. I think all of us feel that they should trade now but of course. That's not a guarantee. But they're stuck at for and they have to choose between this quarterback right so we could decide that we want to be spicy and we could say like yes we would all we all think the most likely pick here in this scenario would be field. But if you want to try to do trades because you wanna get spicy for the live mock. That's also fine with me. Let's let's let's take it to jalapeno lime and take so yes so for those keeping track realistically. I think we all the pick. Your would be justin fields right. Yes anybody anybody disabled from that no the that should move. Yes as much as i really liked kyle pits and the team could very well decide that they do walk pets and like i don't think that's outlandish. But i do think the most likely scenario in this mock would be field because fields to me is the second best quarterback in the draft. So getting him as the fourth quarterback is kind of a steel at this time. You're shopping for house. Sometimes you're shopping for a car. Yep you got the the viewers have as well man this. This is a rookie. Gm rookie coach any time soon show. They're not tied. Matt ryan long-term right. You know fun. Know stated this offseason. He didn't necessarily want it to even touch matt rask contract as far as restructuring. But he has it. So that to me i look at it as you know. They're they're looking to see what they can get out of matt ryan for maybe a year or two before their reagan vaughn and they may want you know take advantage of sitting in the boss yet but i will say that no matter what the pig is it's gonna g- native civil war on pelicans twitter no matter what no matter what yes early touchdown against detroit sparked a civil war. I mean me for a touchdown but so many people didn't like that decision. I didn't understand it. Bid for our draft. Pick overall right now. Nearly a hero for that. Todd gurley lot worse has type todd gurley momentum meetings a lot worse for growth home. What did you need. Look todd gurley is just a red zone weapon. Okay once you get into the red zone. He can't just not score. Okay that's all. I will also say talk early. I think had some incentives touchdowns his contract to. I don't blame that. I know we're not slandering todd. Gurley that was mentioned earlier. A very good player in good at getting into the reason. I'm not slandering girly. I'm saying i would have done the same thing like nobody's messing with my money. So in this in this in this scenario i think i were at day trade down. I will say in the top ten. Okay yeah. I think it's about where you trade down. I think last time we traded down with the Broncos to nine. I think a dark course team that could be looking to get into two four. That no one's talking about is the lions because everyone just assumes because they have goff now that they're finding a quarterback and i don't think they have any loyalty to gough whatsoever. I think that was just part of the deal and they wanted to have someone just in case but that would be as smaller. Yeah yeah but it's it's no different than the falcons taking justin fields right here and then having to get rid of bat ryan like next year so it. I don't think for the same reason. I don't think that ryan's big cap. It is had dissuade the falcons from taking a quarterback. I don't think the lines either. But that's one option that would be to seven so that would be a smaller trade down. They probably would still have their choice of guys. Like you know an eye sewell. Jomar chase kyle pits. Probably one of those guys would still be on the board. Obviously guys like sir tannin. Mike parsons and whatnot. So that would be probably the smallest trade down. They could do. Obviously we're not considering the panthers. We talked about the broncos. What do you think about the steelers which would be. Probably the biggest moved huge. That would be like a gigantic hall. What exactly war. Yeah like that. That's moving back. East spots would again have to be huge off in the draft that they can move. That's probably go my thing with the steelers in a team like that. If you're picking up future. I which is one of the reasons. I find the broncos appealing like you expect the steelers to be contenders pick as less valuable to probably in the twenty s again next year. Potentially like if you're picking up another firm so that that's why i find the idea of trading down with denver so attractive like if you can go. Without pits or quarterback. Denver could very well picking the top ten again next year In another top ten pick would be great. So that's to me that's part of the calculus to if you're gonna move down with the team try to think of had to the value they can provide you a year from now to i. I don't know dave. I kind of feel like denver is is in position to make some noise next year. I think they've had a really good offseason from this offseason. I just don't trust denver. I don't think whoever they draft is is automatically elway special. He's not even making decisions there anymore. I just don't believe will from from this aspect if you trade with denver you can stay in the top. Half of the rounds in each arrest the third you still stay relatively high compared to pittsburgh or your egress and later but spur. You'd need like a full godfather offer. Edgy em would have to set it up to where he kills her horses and we wake up in the same vatsa get a horse head for each first round. Pick and you get five. Yeah i mean the patriots. Probably the other one. It's likely or legitimate fifteen as well. So do we want to try to see what we can get from the patriots and go from there the denver last time though you did. That's the only reason i don't wanna do. I agree that denver's probably the most likely like we don't have like i said jalapeno line even offer starts at what san francisco gave the money breath. Okay well i'm going to look at the car. We out on fields. Well i think we all said in reality. they're probably going to take just get spicer. We're trying to go up to jalapeno. Live spiciness yes loss. Time you'll still there at nine. Yeah well you know it could happen right. Maybe the patriots want now the patriots while mack jones of four so anything is possible and everyone just loved jones nowadays. They do all right. So no i honestly do think they're gonna take jones at four based on how simulator works because usually when the patriots trade up in this they do take mack jones but if if kyle pits is on the board regardless of who else is on the board at nine is he does pick. Oh yes yeah yeah at seven to. I would probably say the same thing. Why is that. Is that a value thing or is that like a talented or is that like our brains being programmed to be like well. You can't take tight end in the top five. You gotta take. Because as i think in all likelihood by the time nine rolled around the top for quarterbacks born right at least you're getting you're getting top-five talent. You know in you at non mafi i so i will hop on at that point if any other eric jomar or kyle. She's christ man in anybody else. I mean we got. We got a head coach makes like cartoon eyeballs and a wugang noises tight end so like i. I'd like to have pets myself. I would like to have his. Because i think hits offers a lot. More matchup is for defenses than yeah. I agree chases the best receiving a draft absolutely will ios gin long tooth. He's not going to be here that long. So it's a possibility. But just the fact that i can you can. You can move pits. All over weinstein's man. He's everywhere so i think he can. It'll be to pick their for me. And also if we take damore chase than atrial will have fist fight him on the spot when they train them all right so this is the offer. I think we could get from the patriots. One hundred percent It would be fifteen forty six which is their second ninety six third than next year's first and second. No you're not getting that. Yeah i mean. Probably not the second. You're not you're not. I don't think getting the. I think you're getting a third next year. Maybe i would gonna say four. You're getting the like. The public tends to super overrate draft trades. Yeah it's it's like a well-known thing kind of within the league that it's like oh you really think you're gonna get like two first rounders for matt ryan. It's like no. You're probably getting they're going to get one may is a great season yet. Yes i it's just the way teams think and so to move back to from fifteen to four fifteen. Were back so little right yeah. That's the patriots or four quarterback but also you're not necessarily making that known right now. If you want the fourth quarterback you gotta trade us because we're gonna take the fourth quarterback they're kind of playing cards so you have to make a team believe you're gonna take their guy and then the that guy is worth like a five six seven draft picks the that's three four graphics is probably what you're looking at all right. I think there is a quarterback. Taxing belltower there it. Because i yeah. Go ahead good. Infants for a quarterback in you know that denver's going to be in bidding war and you know that detroit maybe another bidding work carolina or not even looking at but all of these teams are bidding war for quarterback. I don't think it's for bench to think that we could get that from the patriots this because a quarterback is involved in. It's the last quarterback of that big four. The you know the consensus that those are the four best quarterbacks whatever you decide what like i always say that the one position teams will be willing to overpay for his quarterback is gas. When you need one. You'll see the desperation from teams. Not saying it. A pages need one. But i think with their aggressiveness aggressiveness. That they showed this offseason. I think they'll be willing to part with multiple pigs. Beautiful point eric. Yes yes yes so. I guess it's just figuring out what we want to ask for right to make it more realistic i will. I will say yeah of what i have right now is twenty twenty one. I which is fifteen twenty twenty one second which is forty six twenty twenty one third which is ninety six go and then a two thousand two i. I just think you're getting a twenty twenty two. I definitely injured. I don't think the falcons even pick up the phone. If they're not even picking up the phone if they're not giving a person who you're getting the first three rounds of this draft from team. Yes yes it then. That is something. I don't think the teams also giving up a first next year. I think they would give up a day to pick naming i guess. But if you're looking at what san francisco san francisco three firsts but even more necessary for a smaller number of jump in terms what did they give up from muhammad sununu. They'll give up any the falcons very good f- leasing them. Now i think even i think even if a quarterback out of all it would be i. I remember a few years ago. The bills gave up a first to go from nine to four percent. Watkins like to get into the top five. It'll costly verse. Rounder especially you. You guys might be right. I mean it. I don't know if. I just think it's the first second third that is kind of throwing me for like. That's a lot this year to give. This usually don't see teams do like first second third in one year they do like i. This year will swap. I will give a fourth and fifth. And then i next year right so like it's kind of the first second third thing that's it is slowing me a little bit. They four steep three fourth routers patriots. Do so it's not like they're not gonna make any picks after this but yeah. I mean they'd be giving up basically all of their top hundred picks for a quarterback. But it's just it's a big move up it's four the last of the big guys as long as you if you don't count certain players but the tax. Yeah i mean. I think based on what the forty niners got. I don't think the falcons would accept this offer if this was if it didn't get to day toothpicks from the from the patriots plus future first so like i don't think they probably do a deal with denver but since we're not considering denver because of what we did last time so i guess we can see if they accept if they don't accept it. We can look at something else but it says it's about fifty fifty. They'll take it so okay so we'll we'll try it out. So i i what's that two or almost almost onto our pick one right okay. Feels like a real draft night. Yeah i know we use all fifteen minutes right there so okay they did accept it so there you go so we got to want want block. I got second third in the first next year. Okay all right so as messed it. S a reasonable baggage. I if i were if i were to jimmy g. m. out pockets a little bit more. Yeah yeah all right. So top players left at fifteen. I'm sure other teams would be interested in trading up. But i don't know if we want to do like a double trade down from fifteen. I think if we did like two seven maybe consider but like so mike. Parsons is available. Jalen phillips obviously nausea harris in transit tender. Still there as those you laurie jeremiah. Lucy cor moa allies avera tech adjustment off the board. That's usually who i like it. This draft about task the offensive lineman. So it'd be like kevin jenkins ray sean slater and christian derozan gone already So yeah the offensive line is pretty unless you tevin jackets. But he's he's a tackle probably going. Yeah i mean to me. It would probably be jalen phillips i. It's mike or mic. Yes like if you wanna play because the best player on the board. Well yes us years. And he can add rush. Can he can't ride. They're going to running three four hybrid defense yes linebacker can blitz yet. Yeah no. I forgot about michael briefly there for a second for some reason. So yeah the. Let's go with that. Because i would take parsons but yeah are we. I do consider parsons top ten talent. Yes smitten If you just wipe away the off the field stuff like this he would not escape it. Outside so yeah. Yeah i'm gonna parsons or or trade the pick for maurice hurst. Hey who was bill. My all time favorite draft love. I can't believe they dated draft him at any point before he went to the raiders was like every time to represent haber marie services. Still here you know. They didn't listen to me. So they asides from picking grady. Jared finally like. I thought they were on the defensive tackle that i liked. They weren't like every single year. That happens yeah. Well thank god. We weren't right about tape and brian so they were. They were right. I was wrong so it was a fun draft draft. They were raised up. Calvin ridley so good for that. All right so mike parsons it is. We finally made our first pick all right now. What we need to do is we need to rush through every paycheck until we get to the very and then we got grind it out for fifteen minutes how we do it. We have to get a second. We have two seconds. yes because we have We have picked forty six from the patriots as well. I think. We'd traded for too many picks thirty nine thirty you. God yeah okay. We're gonna have to be a little bit quicker with these ones. So so i mean tarries kids. They got a bedtime man. We gotta be realistic about this. Yeah all right so christian bar more. Is the top ranked player left on the board. Let's take a look at some of the other options. Do you all right so at edge. Greg russillo is the top guy left ronnie perkins joseph facade joe triathlon. Let's see cornerback. It's a barren robinson kelvin. Joseph asante samuel junior who we took last time at the spot See offensive running back Let's see we have interior office of why yeah creed humphry white davis landed dickerson. All still there. So those are certainly tempting. I like white davis. I'm a big fan his well but we check the good trayvon merrick win at thirty four. Right before the tokens. Yes that kinda sucks giovane holland. Richie grant still. There is the top to save. I like russo here. Like if you're in or or just value like if you're going to invest some upside. I get it with the second round pick. It's kind of like what the cowboys did with john smith and it's like there's talent clear and obvious with this player. What has been the biggest. Need for the falcons consistently of the last like frankly outside of john abraham being signed like the entirety of the past two decades. He was like the last guy before. John abraham though is like a good pass rusher said so just double down like what they did with the offensive line with with lindstrom mcgarry and just hit on defense as many times as possible on the know his just testing scares me. So much gregor so like where i mean is scares me but he again i kid just now clearly special yes it just not growing it to an nfl body is just now playing particular position. The upside years is is is to tipping pass on which. Who's left to quarterback. I'm gonna i'm gonna be the guy that asks that question. Let me find out. Go cowan monte. A big kellyn monde guy is justin field still on the board Let's see kyle trask. Oh yeah cal. Trask davis meals on. Jimmy newman are the top quarterbacks. I covered davis out of high school. Actually he lays. My wife is goals. Davis mills is one quarterback outside of the premier five or whatever. He's the one quarterback that i can see being a star when i liked talamante davis mills being like a career. Backup like a brian. Hoyer is davis mills me. We could always start. This overtake boring intake crowd. Trump's in the second see pat fryer is still here by the way so if we wanted to take a tight end thinking it so air kevin who is use your guy july of this pick i i guess i'd probably take like white davis secrete humphrey. The upside is for rousseau's again. My point is. I know at one point. We're discussing like trading bag to like eight or nine and taking russo there at the beginning of this dr right up. Also we've sites where it's if it is bpa because i'm trying to kind of put myself in like tariff on no mindset where it's like all right like who's who's the best guy but it's like we still need like an egg. Roger do you need an fit fit and talent. I said go for as a russo. Okay we'll do recep. Four months ago. I get greg russo. And who we pick them. First round clarkson's will really push it and look. Yeah i next year okay. So we'll take her so overhaul a defense fellas man. We're still shivers though. We're getting chick no matter what we pay. One hundred percent. True bodegas i. I'll i'll castle fits for a possible type tops. Vp's on if you can get your safety Within the next couple picks you can a playmaker at all three phases the divas someone get mike nolan on speed. Dial right okay so Top players left on the board christian bar. More defensive tackle levi on was defensive. Tackle creed humphry white davis landed dickerson. ronnie perkins joseph. Cy amari rogers from clemson. Those are all the top guys left. I believe the corners might still be there as well with people. The commodore saying that field is still there. Yeah but i. I'm not accepting that. That was an option at this point in the second round. Yes i i assume something got about it all away but i'm not throwing away. Let the record. Show that the kevin with. I'll do information from the panel. I did yeah because it would have ruined all of our hardworking fight entertained. This is this is the real a few good men situation here. I feel like you're yelling at us that we can't handle the truth. Yeah you can't hurt the truth of this simulation scuffed beyond repair but you know all of came around go somebody yeah. Somebody spotted it. Yeah i did notice that. He was there but i was not going to accept that he was there. I i assume it was just a bug. He was like ranked eighth overall and like teams should. Just start taking him as the best player available in like the teens. Even if they don't need quarterbacks check your tight ends maybe call. Kits is still there right. Yeah let me double check. I already did check that pittsburgh style with a broken the simulation for that. But you are right. Here i would. I would like all of one hour. Yes i like. Why i take. I absolutely agree. Well we're gonna fight over which offensive. Lamb creed humphry. But i also totally. Fine with white davis. I vs davis of dixon. Honestly i'm good with. I like by davis. Let's do davis then. Just we don't argue because we gotta we gotta start making some of these picks you know maybe we can. Trade name is closeness. Okay all right so we will take wide us. that's all. yeah so for folks. We've got mike. Parsons at fifteen gregory. So at thirty five and wyatt davis at forty six skhodra about that inside out. Davey build inside al illustrators. Yup aki can you be upset about that as that's a good people away yup all right. So we'll see a quarterback fellas. That's that's within complaining about yup. I'll be honest at this point. I it's not even entertaining. Let's just go all in to win. You know look at the roster. You'll see a quarterback which is important part that is they will be at least one yup. Maybe it's just not the same. It's like that's that's why it's start match but that's why it's so difficult like doing all this. 'cause it's like do they. Do they want that position. Filled for the next fifteen years or do they want that position filled by the best player. They have right now and like. That's that's who makes all of this hard but people that are against taking a quarterback early. They don't even work that out like they loo- wall quarterback on the roster right matt ryan still good. We should talk about him like he's not very good. This is nothing to do with matt. Ryan zinke always resigned matt simms and simulator. Yeah get the simulator. Fired up for the preseason. I remember covering a whole Hall of fame. Game with matt simms. This watching every single day. How can you make us do that. Yeah we gotta start getting through some of these picks. It's almost ten o'clock already so today we'll get today and the dead zone but yes so we got two offensive tackles at the top brady christian james hudson. We've also got richie grant milton williams from louisiana tech. Tommy toby defensive. Tackle couple of wide receivers carlos basham junior still there pete werner linebacker generes robinson at edge as well as the running backs. Michael carter kenneth game well. Trae sermon are the top. three left. Who are allied. Gain will gain willer sermon. 'cause we haven't heard but yeah i mean i don't know if we want to gamble. Necessarily the game would be there but we probably go personally. Jacci grants higher on the board. I don't think richie much longer. Richardson has definitely not gonna make it. Maybe maybe game would make but again like if we missed on carter in game. Well trae sermon ramachandraiah stevenson. All those guys you know still options that we could consider go game longer. Just wanna take game. Well and just let Grants slide away into the darkness. Looks yes because i don. I might think he's not going to be here at the top of the clear. I don't think richie grasping it'd be there but maybe there's more safety which the list lists addressing the yeah. I agree like the safety agency to. I think a lot of safeties will still be on the block after the draft teams. Could maybe pass on some top fruit. Todd safeties to grab some guys like on the cheap in free agency mean. Would you take game while over my car. though. I don't use it i mean i i like gables upset but i don't have them ranked about michael carr really. Oh man your spicier on game with me. Well i didn't think anybody was. But i mean gaels more dynamic certainly because of the versatility i mean game. We'll play receive. I mean eagle game. Well is more exciting so you convince you convinced me with it or not are we not i am. I'm fine with it. I mean his name is gain well right. So how can you be bad running back. If that's your last name they sciences. It makes sense so exactly right. That's gonna be r spicy pick for getting a spicy pick in a horse. I don't i. I don't think parsons at fifty very spicy. I think that's like all right so we're up in about ten more picks pick ninety s. You really wanted to be spicy. We would have taken out of areas fifty right or better yet at four. That's that's the real the real way to do it all right so all right. Top of the board. Michael carr still here. That's funny We've got some corners key taylor junior elijah griffin benjamin saint. Just hey kyle. Trask is still here. No i'm not interested. In contrast trask man. I will veto. Any cloud selection any yup our darius washington andrea cisco to rick thompson talanoa fonda so plenty of safety's We definitely should take one of the safeties here. Because like i mean i like cisco to i do like our washington i just both of them are kind of risky right. Because cisco's coming injury and like you know he's a wild man. Washington is like the opposite. He's just tiny but other than that. He's great so who else is tiny. Well that's so far. That hasn't hurt him so nice. Yup i think is our washington smaller than that he. I'm down for six. Go beyond dogs at all a tried and true playmaker place were both teams he will there will be lots of plays made that is for sure. Yeah all right. Andrei cisco it is k. Maybe matt ryan would truly appreciate us. Give him of things this year. S you would so top players left some interesting names here okay. cameron mcgowan linebacker. Davis mills quarterback trae sermon. Running back davis smells. I'd take mills at this point for sure. I mean realistically. They're gonna take a quarterback. I really i. They're absolutely taken quarterback in the draft. You might as well get one that might be decent. Rather take kevin montwaid though 'cause shelving still here and that man is an absolute unit. Okay he's tyler shelving i would. The field is still in the. Are there any tight ends I mean kenny. Davis davis mills seventh ranked quarterback and this is the third round the fourth round fourth. Now yeah yeah like. I think the values there get get a quarterback in the fourth round. I mean that's dak prescott value for somebody who gets to sit and learn under matt ryan for maybe two years. I just think that like if quarterback is the most important position. Maybe the whole discussion about like do they need to get one in the first round if they do have the opportunity to develop one and have somebody really like educated year period like cannot kind of turn a fourth round quarterback into a good nfl starter. Davis mills doesn't have the elite side of some of the guys in this draft. But we've seen quarterbacks that aren't necessarily elite. Jared goff jimmy garoppolo being the most recent examples like lead teams to quarter or two super bowls. So you know it the value is i think clearly there at with the fourth round if davis mills is like the seventh best quarterback. I just don't get it with davis mills but if you guys really like him that's hung up in the high school days but i man i just i would. I would wait from on if there's a guy you don't wanna force my corner. Here's here's marketing. But i will if you davis meals is a career backup. Why waste of round pick. It's fair that's fair. you can get a quality start. I mean and now if they look at meals and say hey we want to. Groom him to take over matt ryan whenever okay. You can convince me with that. You can talk me into it but if you d it would be an upside. Pick your banking on his upside. And i just think in the fourth round on more willing to do that with a player. Yeah i mean. I think that's fair as well Let's see some other as we consider tyler shelving like if they're trying to repair legit three four nose tackle. That dude is the most massive one of the most massive humans in college football You know also You know needs work but nobody. In the fourth round perfect so lee jalen twice for pittsburgh true williams from syracuse cornerback. Hammock are rashid junior at safety talanoa. Who fog is still there so for looking to like totally. Take two new safeties. Who fog as one of my highest rated strong safety guys behind hamza so he. He's an option. Took totally remake that safety room. We also have like a boatload of picks so we could theoretically like take someone and then like trade. Backup to take one of those quarterbacks and end all the debating. But i guess if it was me i would go like probably tyler shelving or tyler shelving trill williams or telling oh who fog it would be my top choices. But i'm willing to hear other arguments. Anyone i'll ask let go for williams myself and i wait. I wait another round and see. But if all the quarterbacks are gone. I'm going to channel terry fonteneau and not be happy. Well we can do. Is like as soon as davis mills goes off to board. We can just pause it and then trade for whichever quarterback is left because we have so many late picks up sure we could package. Something together for quarterback infiltrated his left. Is it so is it is it. Newman davis mind human. Brady white same etlinger. So there's some guys but yeah. I mean as soon as davis bills off the board. Basically go at any time. So yeah yeah but this is where i struggle with this because like best player available i feel like is not position right. Oh so like that. But i keep their. They've deliberately to this point. Not touch the quarterback position. So they're gonna do something with it. They're going to ask though no yet. I i completely agree with you dave. It's it's kinda like you. You can say best player available to appoint you're kind of dumb if you don't understand the inherent value of positions in the game that you play. It's like it's like saying that we're gonna take best player available in chess and then picking upon over queen do that. The pawn has grit right and only on the field for eleven or twelve. Plays a game. Because there are paul unless it becomes a queen unless it becomes a queen at your you know hey draft stories happen man. Brady look at look at him. He's upon you became a game. Speaking my language with these trust is now i am. I am the story behind. Queen's game it just for your knowledge. But i agree. It's like quarterback is so valuable that if you're number four like that's when you pick them you get the best quarterback available. I don't think in the fourth round. I just don't see the falcons really looking at jamie newman. I think they're going to wait and see who kind of shakes out. They probably have someone in mind that did like as a developmental guy but even then taking someone in the fifth like. They're probably just gonna sign a veteran backup at this point like they didn't get a quarterback at four. They traded out there probably going to sign a veteran. Backup that anyway. Yeah well no matter what yes but like you know i mean i think if take like just fields at four they. Maybe don't need a veteran backup because they've got tj. It's in the building like he's ready to go lead. Look galaxy brain. You don't need a backup quarterback if you got one on your coaching staff. So he can suit up at a moment's notice. Get out there. Take some snaps so no but you guys get with williams speaking of sorry. Sorry trillions of you. Do this point. I'm good with anything that moves us. Forward okay fair enough. Do moving on day. One looks depressing every single time. I like see you're studying your surroundings. Alright so birth time filming this. It's like a wintry hellscape behind me to hide it from this. Why i got the curtain up so april like what. Why does it still look this mind. You davis will davis mills win at one twenty. So i've paused the draft. We could theoretically tried to engineer a trip to get callum on if we would like to have kelvin. Does our backup quarterback developmental guy. So i can figure out what that would look like. The raiders have picked one. Twenty-one it should be too expensive we have three fifths into sixth so we can definitely. Yeah all of them. Just end it right now. You sound like somebody in the war room right. That's exactly how. I'm just yeah. I think we should just get rid of our six to make to get this done. So we'll keep still have two fifths later. Fifth spent we'll trade to it are to like end of the draft six to move up a couple of spots in this in the fourth round before a court davis else. Well technically it's kellen monica's because dasmal's just went but that's what prompted this yet. Well if it was davis mills. I was in now. I'm out. we'll see if they'll take to sixty four. I think they probably will. But one of is actually a good sixth dealer ones late but whatever. All right raiders. Come on there. You go ban making moves all right. Calamar we get a quarterback folks for all you quarterback wanders out there. We got killing minden. Good to go all right. No no no. There will be no complaints now. Will he can't hear from eric later. Just judging by body language so era eight rounders yet. he's not nearly as good at at fortnight as a curb. Banker does yeah. I mean that's the real bad that backup bread. They're just if you can't just get together and blast through a fortnight game. I don't know what you're doing. All right. three quarterbacks actually went before we would picked at one forty eight so it was actually smart if we did want kelly bond to trade up for him so you know. That was a good. That was a good move guys. Get you up. That's that's second round quarterback. Gm's we just predicted it. So they think about that stuff. Hey we're going to back to back. Picks and i think that would be the end of the draft so cool stuff all right. So we've got one of the two. In one eighty three those will be the final picks of our draft class so top players on the board as you might expect a lot of wide receivers as tend to be as part of the draft. We've also got some edge. Geiss ellison smith malcolm kunz. Patrick johnson wyatt. Hubert also got the wide receivers marlon williams. Shy smith josh immature. Bb cornerback de la nor of oregon will go through the guy with the coolest name gotta on raw saint brown would be like yeah. He's not here. Otherwise i'd definitely take it after a ethical end right at this point probably mckinney sweeter. That's actually a good pick here would be. We take you pile pits. We wouldn't have the speaking of great name's trae mccabe's alpha king or like. Yeah that's that's why we'll do him for one of them. So there we go. We have another pick. Yeah yeah i mean the value here is probably a wide receiver. I do think they're gonna add a wide receiver because this is a really good receiver class. It just depends on what flavor you want. Where i would. I wouldn't mind going ed's again. Yeah with them keeping fowler and getting so it's not as big wild but or insurance policy because russo not going to be not gonna hit it in year one. This is the right right. I mean. I don't think anybody were taking a pick one. Eighty three is gonna be contributing a lot this year. Either this this me. Like i feel like marlon williams. Our jobs matter. Bbi's like does Makes a good point. We need a new university. Outdoor kitty so we got the. We're just checking all the boxes for this mock. We need at one unique where we got that epochs check here forgetting yeah would have been invalid if not right exactly. I mean i guess i would go for willie allegra matter bb. But i wake. I like our baby. Yeah he's a freak. It is weakening inch article two seasons ago. Illinois averaged nineteen yards a catch. Yeah it body receiver over six feet to fifteen to twenty something like that. His his brothers a a tight end covered him. Yeah coming out of out of high school so like he's definitely a big bodied receiver. Who can win at the point of the catch and giveaway back. I like the upside here where he can definitely a d. threat especially yes he can. He can have a role on on nfl team. Yeah alright baby it is bam there. We go back. Picks got the juice. Got the box checked and got two of the best names in the draft back to back so all you know scoring kicks their own. Yeah that's that's that's how i decide. The fact that ended up making nine picks actually the same amount they would have made normally because we traded up. And get rid of two six with merciful. Or what's up eric. I said they would on crossfire. Whatever it was like through multiple maneuvers. But they're nine. Six nine drastically better picks than they would have had normally ethical. Kelham on. why did you really wanna make those too late. Sixth round picks okay. Is that what you wanted to do. Get callum on. Yeah yeah yeah so just to satiate. We need a. Qb crowd so no crowd. Uga crowd the defense crowd. Yup the long snapper crowd. No no how dairy josh harris long snapper crowd forever i will. I will never consider along. That's what i mean during. Let's make let's make. Josh harris are quarterback the bay again accurate seven yard passer in the nfl. Yup that's what's up short short gain all day or regarding. Yeah we're we're done. So we got eric. I'm outta here so we get to recap we. Have mike parsons at fifteen. After trade down with the patriots we have gregory so at thirty five edge from miami at forty six. We have white davis from ohio state. Interior offensive lineman at sixty eight picked up running back. Kenneth game well from memphis. At ninety six we picked up safety andrea cisco from syracuse Picked up quarterback williams also from syracuse. Just have the whole syracuse secondary over. Here just need if melanoma and then we have the whole band but sterling hoffer actor. It's going to be the syracuse south pretty soon. So traded up and gave up our two six for a chance to get quarterback kellen bond from texas a and m. then with our to compensate refits rounders. We selected tight. End trey mckinney from georgia and wide receiver josh from illinois. So there you have it folks. That is our second fell. Colic live mock draft. I promise we'll do a realistic one at some point. But just the spiciness entertaining but yeah. We'll probably not that was gray. Mock draft yes. Thank you thank you. That's healed in the second right there though. I can't believe you would from us. I'm gonna hold that against you for that's fine. It comes with an asterisk it does. Yeah because you know. We passed passed on fields multiple times. We're just feeding into the narrative that he's bad so we'll never know what what type of gas masks video may come out. Yeah heaven et ended up bolstering. The dolphins Got them like four. First rounders overall. Right right yeah i mean. I don't know what's crazier fields being there. In the second round or like the the bear's having a chance to get justin field twenty into saying like nah now we're getting candy. They took instead. Yeah andy dalton are starter. They took her shot. Bateman instead of just feels so. Wait they really. That's what the the program did. Yeah so i'm guessing the program for god about justin feels. I've never actually seen one of those top. Even jones fall. People people are gonna still have jobs for a while everybody. So every pat pat yourself celebrate. We're still here for a while. I would not replaced this yet. So i would love to see the reaction bears twitter. They would just flip out. Yeah that would be. Just for the memes. This like crazy scenario would be fun coletta. Yeah guys oh yeah. People wanted to see the details of the pats trade Yeah so it's the patriots. Got pick four pick fifteen pick forty six their second rounder Pick ninety six their third rounder and twenty twenty two i for reference so All right well thank you for tuning in a lot of fun. We enjoyed having josh harrison and having these wonderful guests so speaking of these wonderful guests first of all wanna thank. Dave showed the boss man at the falcon hollick for coming on dave anything that you're working on your wanna let the people know about working. We're we're all working to get you to the draft entertained not borne out of your skull and talking about interesting things and i know it's a stretch with a month ago but Everybody here's got great ideas. I know that the guys have great draft content so keep an eye out for it. Yep absolutely guys also with us tonight will mcfadden. He is at mcfadden on twitter. Will anything you're working on. You want to let people know about. Yeah i'm i'm actually writing soon. On yom gonna cover the falcons. Alex number one mack jones fan. Which is our own. Dave choke so anybody who has mack. Jones videos highlights anything like that. Just go ahead and shoot it over to at words and beer and then i'll probably aggregate you and three and a piece. It's amazing jimmy. Like everybody that comes through the doors here comes back through the doors just instinctively knows dunk on me at the end of every you just you recruit of vibe. Do you just attract a certain type of moths. A your flame. And i learned that that that martha is gonna get me some nat jones clips at some point. I know it in my bones. That's what i've got going on now. Yeah excellent definitely look forward to that one guy's also with us tonight. We have eric robinson he's at underscore. Eric underscore robinson eric. Anything that you're working on you'd like to plug. Just put out a new richie grant so give that a look at definitely getting started on my next my draft as well look out for that and we're we're still just cracking up content. Absolutely guys check that out for sure finally with us on at say which way odd on anything that you're working on well finally going to start by march madness thing except it's not marginally more i'm going to completely rename it. How about you have april anarchy. Yeah i like that last anyone. Wait wait i'll show for that. So yeah let's try season series right there. We'll we'll continue to brainstorm the mark. Shaw workshop yeah and Yeah i'd stick with does it felt hollick and if you have any complaints at all about Don't anything we don how he knows. I love how of a bench now at the complaints about anything. The falcons are doing general at the foul colic. You know will got Dave's personal twitter handle so you know at his all alchoholic one to just so he has nowhere to hide. Yes there you go i want. I want to make clear that. Eric is my favorite for not doing this. And so that's good on eric gottesman brownie points with the boss man. 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The Falcoholic Live, Ep149: Battles to watch on the Falcons defense

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The Falcoholic Live, Ep149: Battles to watch on the Falcons defense

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Kevin nights joined by my wonderful co host. Tonight evan burchfield. He is very easy to remember at. Evan burchfield on twitter evan. How're you doing tonight. I'm great kevin. Nothing is really happening. In the world of falcons but yeah. I'm excited to talk. I guess about what's kind of happening. So yeah you know what is or isn't happening. Is the topic of discussion tonight and to help us break it down. We have friend of the show. Special guests randy havens. He is at mr randy havens on twitter star of stranger things among other projects. Randy happy to have you back on how you doing tonight. Hello hi and welcome to me and welcome to you as well. I love that the show started with just me sitting in silence. Yes i'm talking about. Evan and just just decided that you were going to be the one that was shown but you know we got one of those cases. I know. that's that's why you exactly. That's why you're on on tv and we're on but thank you for coming online. We appreciate you we know. You're a rabid falcons fan and last time we had you on you had to share the stage with about thirty other guests at the same time which is not the best. So we're going to give you an ample opportunity to get your takes in this eve kevin. It's the life of a character actor. You know you get one of those one of those lines and then you had to sit there while the other guy says about thirty of them right right. Yep reminds me if an audition. I did once i did do a little bit of acting when i was in high school but i vaguely remember some of those things but yeah it was good time. It's a good time enjoyed it. Be guys this is a falcon show. We're going to save the rest of the acting discussion for a couple of weeks from now when we do our acting pod but yeah so kyle pit signed. That's really the only bit of news and evan was astute enough to remind us all. That it is the falcons anniversary of becoming officially in nfl franchise other than that not a ton going on obviously with kyle pits officially signed. We have a firm idea of exactly how much cap space the falcons will have left. They haven't been very quick to utilize any of it so it seems like they're kind of content to sit and wait maybe until camp or to see if a particular player shakes loose that they like but otherwise guys. We'll talk about that stuff a little bit. And then we're going to get into some defensive position battles talk about Some of the top most interesting things there obviously edge is a big one cornerback pretty wide open as well and then more about who's lining up where on the defensive interior. Those are kind of most interesting ones. We'll get to but we'll also be answering your questions. Obviously guys so feel free to throw those in there as well but yet kyle is officially in atlanta falcon officially official not like. He was going anywhere. But evan any any takeaways. I mean the rookie contracts. These days are basically just a formality. But are you feeling a little bit more comfortable. Now that the classes officially fully under contract Yeah because i think they were one of the last ones not to have signed date single player until julio which was kind of like a bad sign but now they don't have to worry about all that kind of stuff so yeah i mean. I guess it's good that it's over in everybody's gotten paid in. We'll be ready for training. Camp always nice to hear. Always nice to have everyone signed. It was getting a little bit. exciting there for a minute while we were waiting to get side have some fans are like so what happens if they don't sign by training camp. I'm like well. Let's not figure that out. Let's not get their recall that it has happened rarely but we don't have to worry about that now. Randy was ever go ahead. i just wanna mention. We'll talk about a leader. There was other news. The i can't believe i forgot the helmet news. Oh yeah yeah well i. I was going to leave that one for you. Yeah because that's that's god that's wheelhouse. Yeah we'll get to that right after this randy. Was it ever in doubt that the draft class would be signed. Are you are you more. Are you relieved. Now that kyle is officially under contract yeah. I wasn't really worried that they weren't going to sign mr pitts. I was actually surprised. I was like like what hasn't happened already. What was going on. I guess there was some maybe negotiation. Going on. i don't know is there like there is like a little bit of negotiation. That can happen around. How much of. It is signing bonus. How much of it's guaranteed and that sort of stuff. I believe it was like wasn't last year. Maybe the year. Before with nick bozo or one of the bosses but he was a there was like a lot of drama around the contract because he wanted the part of the contract left out that said like if he got suspended they could void guarantees and that was like a big contentious thing but like other than those little formality sort of sorts of things. It's pretty much like this. Is the range that it can be. And it's just kind of figuring out what part of the range you end up in. Yeah no. I definitely was not scared that he was not going to get signed. Because i'm mike. We got rid. Julio not not sign your number one pick yeah no. It wasn't really in doubt but they needed the money from the julio trade apparently to get it done so at least we got one good thing out of it. But i mean we haven't even heard honestly your take on the julio traits. Say if you have. I'm sure you have some thoughts on it. I know guys we said we wouldn't linger on the julio trade for long but i did randy you haven't had a chance to kind of sound off on it so i am interested in what you what you thought of that. The deep sense of sadness. Yeah that sounds about right. I appreciate it short and sweet. That's pretty much. What i what i had to say except i had to stretch it out into like three ninety minute shows but yeah i like that. I like that very summarized version and yeah i'm also to move on from it and you know remember happier times instead but Evan tell us about the helmet change which was hinted at by another great guest. That kind of you know quote unquote didn't really break the news but really did break the news that it was coming so yeah tell tell the people what the change means and then when we can expect to maybe have the red helmets making a comeback. Yes so What kevin was mentioning was sprint szucs. Who was on our show in. I believe april. I know it was before the draft early april. Yeah yeah he. He basically was like You know there's this rule in place we can use one shell. So that means like you'll see you saw teams like the dolphins in the falcons against. I don't know why you was going dolphins as example. But the falcons how they were able to use the throwback black helmets where it was the same helmet in same texture and everything they just put it on a different logo but a lot of teams like Let's say The eagles if they wanted to use their kelly green All i think seventies eighties helmets. It was a brighter green so they couldn't do throwbacks because they had to keep that same color Which wasn't a color until the mid nineties. I think for them So now that rules gone next season so this season like you'll still see the falcons not have a red helmet in stuff but In twenty twenty two the they'll be allowed to have an alternate. So you know from what brent was saying. he's you know one of the top. Dudes with the falcons. In you know has played a big part in the uniform. Design all that He said that pretty much. They're all fans there of the red helmets in that Basically when that rule went away the red helmets would return in Is sounds like that could be sooner than later. Since the roles on twenty twenty two in i saw in the nfl memo that the nfl Nfl teams have to notify the league by july. Thirty first of this year Like what helmet they wanna do for next year because everything happens in advance so we may hear something about the red helmets you know in next month Which i'm hoping for because that would be great news even just to hear like. Hey they're going to be you know part of it in twenty twenty two because he basically also said that they had Red helmets in mind with. I think the the gradient. Once i think he mentioned or something like he. He mentioned that there was like some plans for red helmets. So you know. I think that's pretty exciting. I know some people care more. I'll see oh. I just care about winning. And that's cool but you wanna look cool on the field to like right. That's you know that's part of it. And that's i mean for me. Be becoming a falcons fan. That's what played a big part of pardon when i went to a game When i was six years old. I saw. I loved the Black helmets and black jerseys night thought that was cool. And that's why i became a fan. Now has a certain claire anything. So yeah look. Kids make decisions based on jerseys man. That's a fact okay. There's no shame in that. Yeah like i mean. The falcons color scheme definitely helped matters. I mean it was mostly vic for me just because that guy was a possible to ignore right but you know the the red and black was a big thing as well. so falcons long had some of the best jerseys in the league particularly in those vickers to with the black primary and the red as an option. So i'm excited to see you know he did. Jukes definitely talked about incorporating red helmet into the gradients and that was honestly like plants. I'm interested to see how that looks too. Because i think the gradients came out on the field looking a lot better than folks had thought they might. I'll be. I'll be one. I thought i was like this is going to be awful looking and they look pretty good. I thought so. Yeah yeah. I mean very few teams have done the gradients. Well you know you look at jacksonville. Disaster right a lot of teams. Just they don't execute it. Well they try to get like two flashy with it. And i think the falcons using the black gradient the black is a good one to do especially when you kind of incorporated into the whole uniform and not just a jersey. I think that was that was smart randy. Wouldn't you think of the gradient jerseys where you are fan or not yet. Definitely wasn't a fan when i saw the pictures of them or whatever but yeah i don't i don't mind them once a year. It's not like it's a. I think if it was like every week it'd be a little different that's the problem with the jaguars when they had the i think it was black and then like to gold It looked awful but you saw it every week. If they did it like one week it would have been like okay. But i mean i thought the gradients look good that one week so as long as it's like once you know once a year whatever i don't see a problem in. Yeah exactly even. If you don't like it i think you can put up with it for a week. So that's kind of where we are with that. But yeah it's gonna be exciting to see the more uniform combinations. And i know the fans that were upset that there wasn't like a red throwback or more of a red primary. Look with this with these new uniforms. We'll hopefully get their wish when they see the red helmets. Make a comeback after this world change so we're not going to see it's twenty twenty two guys just to clarify like it is still a year out but it is on the horizon now officially instead of just being like something whispered in. Nfl backrooms or something like that. So definitely excited about the jerseys. All right well. Let's get in to the experience to me because i'm dumb. Those red helmets. They showed off. aren't gonna they. Don't all talking. Jim right so what you probably are referring to is. They shared an image from Report it was like a photo shop of helmets that they users leaks and stuff. But that wasn't the exact helmet Leaks and stuff. But that wasn't the exact helmet I don't know this Specifics if it's Because the current helmets or more of like a Jukes used like a certain word. But it kind of looks like a matt helmet instead of like all glossy and shiny like that ran home. It was in. That's what like they're older throwback home. It's where it was more of like a glossy red helmet but the black helmet. They used last year was still that matt helmet so. I don't know if that they're going to do that. When they bring the redback or if they can have just a totally different like texture to the helmet. Because that's what would have to happen for that. Look which. I thought. I like to shine. But you know yeah the masterfully interesting. But it's just like they can't actually have the second helmet until twenty twenty two. they were just. I guess announcing the rule change now so teams. Prepare for twenty twenty two their uniform designs and things like that. 'cause i think all of them have to be approved by the league and all this stuff and it's very very bureaucratic red tapie but you know i'm excited for them to hopefully launch soon and i guess it is. We don't know exactly what the the uniform will look like at this point but i think if you've seen the throwbacks from their years you have a pretty good idea when it's going to look like at this point and still have the rent pants that i still wanna know how that's gonna work because of the the striping on the side Yeah I think it's black or whatever and it. Just there's no other black strides up the jerseys right here right all red or white. I think I have no idea how that's gonna work unless you have two colors clashing into each other right. Maybe they'll just make another white jersey. That has the black stripe instead or something like that. That would be. I think the easiest thing just a quick little chain so hopefully something like that because he i think the colors clashing. I think it would look really weird. But you know we'll see we'll see but yeah all right defense talk last week. We talked about the biggest offensive position battle. Spent a lot of time on guard center. Now that mac is expected to miss some time. We spent a lot of time talking about the possibility of jalen mayfield. Maybe getting moved to swing tack on that sort of stuff so if you missed that talk definitely go back and watch that from last week where we had keenan forty on to get into the offensive line. In-depth we're going to switch to the other side this week talking about the defense and i want to start with the edge group because i think that is the point of biggest concern on the whole team in terms of death and it's basically wide open in terms of the depth chart like they they added a lot of sort of i would say middling players to compete and like i don't think it's going to be a terrible edge group. I just don't know that there's any huge difference makers here and we're kind of depending on dante fowler to really really step up and be that guy that they paid them to be last year and you know with his contract getting converted basically into now a one year deal essentially with next year getting voided. You know this is his chance to prove that he deserves another big contract from somebody else. You know not necessarily out of the question that atlantic could resign him if he has a good year but outside of fowler. There's just a lot of names so obviously they drafted ditto kumbo digi late in the draft. You know on day. Three a guy that they like a guy that's can play a lot of roles they signed arkadiusz mingo who has played a rotation role in the past. Obviously high draft pedigree didn't really ever play up to that standard but someone who certainly capable of playing rotational snaps. Stephen means returns who has been a very reliable edge. three edge. four sort of guy. For the falcons particularly as a run defender they also have jacob twenty mariner still from last year Who was kind of a pleasant surprise. He's probably the favourite. I would say to start opposite dante. Fowler but some of the other names we have here. A couple of undrafted guys kobe. Kobe jones are cobi jones Sheriff miller who they just signed recently and then george obinna from sacramento state. We could also see some of the other guys. Mix in there like John kaminsky marlon davidson played edge in college. It's possible he could be out there. And then someone like michael walker who. We don't really know exactly where he's going to lineup listed as an inside linebacker on the roster but has some experience as well so evan. Give you the the first crack at this group. Who do you see. As the guy opposite dante fowler or do you think it's going to be basically a big rotation of guys throughout the year. Hopefully it's mariner. Because i think he's paid his dues you know when he really gave was given time to start. I thought he flashed Do you think there's a chance that it's somebody who's not on the roster yet because i'm kind of leaning at direction. Yeah i do. And we'll see what they do with none of these other guys. I really have facing aside. Stephen means i think could be serviceable. Mogadishi obviously yeah. They're hoping right. They're hoping but if this is what they're rolling in in it's not Mariner's starting hopefully somebody they've added because if that's what they roll out with it's going to be more of a. Let's see what these guys can do sort of thing which i mean. That's not usually great for success So yeah i hope it's a free agent currently. Yeah yeah. i think that's a fair assessment as well randy. Do you have a preference at of those guys. would you like to be something. Like twenty mariner. Maybe the rookie or are you hoping for another frisch addition as well to kind of take on that second edge spot Yeah man. I i want someone that i edge spot ornamental mariner kaminsky I feel like hopefully Old ink peas Is a better judge and like utilize of talent than we've seen previously I feel like we've had players that have shown like a lot of promise that are just like the disorder get relegated to the sidelines. Or whatever reason is that you know like my. We've obviously like you know. Don't see everything. But i don't i don't feel like in years past that The best players were necessarily on the field. Yeah and yeah. I don't have a lot of faith in fowler Because he's you know like on the other side like with l. a. Like on the other side of of beast and it's like how many times have the falcons done that over the years of just like we'll get the guy who's got all those sex that's not like the beast on the team and it's like wonder why he got all those sacks because the quarterback was running away from the other guy. Yeah yeah i mean. Yeah i mean as good as greg jarrett is. He isn't aaron. Donald so clayton matthews had like eight sacks that year. He didn't get signed an extra. he's just been out of the league. I think that's a good point. Randi yes that's a good point. And you know the falcons. I think have been notorious for that with ray edwards to just like. They don't sign the guy they signed the other guy to be the guy and as you know you might expect the other guy is still the other guy not the guy. So it's just man and that they fell forward again with dante valor. And like i think we all hoped for the best with but just dimitrov's instincts for signing edge defenders. Were just so bad. Yeah when you're when you're desperate it's you know you make moves like that now. It's like when you're jobs on the line. He knew his job was on the line so he was desperate in before. You know it didn't work out. Dollar made some good money off of it so he did he did. Yeah like i. I like twenty mariner. I think he's an ascending player. You know very similar to john. Kaminsky which is why i'm wondering if they're going to deploy kaminsky a little bit more on the edge. Which is the position. He played in college. Because kaminski's a freak athlete like maps luke freak of nature. Just three cone is absurd. It's on par with off off ball linebackers and stuff like that so it is. It's going to be really interesting to see who ends up with that second spot and maybe we can talk about some of those free agents that are still out there and just a second. Let me read off a few donations real quick. We got three dollars from george stands at george. Thank you so much brother. We appreciate you. He says. I've always been a falcons fan going back to our previous conversation. About the jerseys. And the throwback he said i grew up always wearing number fifty eight for the hammer. Very good choice. Says the facts were awful. The nineties it was hard to be a fan man i. I'm lucky that i was too young to understand pain from losing games at that point so i didn't have to suffer through that but i got on the train of actually carrying in the vic era and there was some crushers in there but man i i feel for you guys had to sit through that. Yeah like you said. The falcons were so bad from seventy to ninety eight. And i didn't have to deal with that. I came in at the tail. End of the badness and then got to have all the good time. So i can only imagine you you die. Hards out there Sticking with the team you know you guys were the ones that have been here the whole time. So we we feel for you guys like we think we've got it bad. We had twenty eight to three and we had a couple of hardships but at least we can say that. The team was like competitive. Since we've been fans for the most part and yeah that that stretch from like you said seventy nine ninety eight. I mean pretty pretty bad stuff outside of a few good seasons here on there. So that's rough man. Appreciate your donation again george. Thanks for tuning in tonight. We also got raymond with the five dollars. Thank you ray. We appreciate he says. How serious do you guys. How seriously do you guys think. The coaches will take the preseason. It just depends some coach. Don't care at all. Like if you watch dan quinn. He gave zero shits about the preseason and it showed because they lost every game while he was here in the preseason not winning preseason games really matters but i mean they got out played a lot during the preseason to so other coaches carry a lot and i think the best scenarios probably somewhere in the middle where you try to to win and you try to play well. But you know the outcome. Isn't that big a deal at the end of the day. You just want to be competitive but yeah what do you guys think. Do you think it's how seriously do you think this is a new staff is going to take the preseason because arthur smith seems like a guy that might take it seriously because he is such a hard asked. So what do you guys think about that. evan you could kick us off. Yeah i think because you know. It's his first season being a head coach in have been all the new staff with you. Know a lot of coaches. he hasn't worked with. he'll probably take a serious He'll probably not lose a whole lot of sleep if they lose games. But there's gonna be a lot of You know battles especially in the running back group between Huntley in hawkins in some of the other positions So i think it's going to be a big preseason for the falcons I know it's only three games instead of the four. So it's going to be some football and i'm gonna watch it real game just the we're going to be doing. Live play by play right here on the alcoholic by conflict I'm just excited for football comeback but To answer your question. I think he's gonna take it pretty seriously because he is a hard asset. That's what they need. i. I want them to win. Even though it's preseason. But more than that. I want them to stay healthy. So yeah that that the health is a big thing and you know the winning is fun but at the end of the day the actual wind so matter like if you play if you kick ass for three quarters fourth stringers come in and lose in the fourth quarter like. I don't give a shit. I just want to know right where the physician battles come in. You're gonna know okay. This guy stepped up in. This guy did inter whatever you know that plays a big part has last year. They eventually added some people off the practice squad. But i don't think they had a undrafted free agent on the opening day roster. I think that's going to be different more. Because a cap probably but also they. They had a really good. I know we've talked about. It can really good Undrafted free agent class In like hawkins who we had on the show a couple weeks ago a month ago Losing track of time he could really make a push to be in the running. Back group opening roster. So yeah i mean. I think since thor hyped us up. So much about jv hawkins. I think i'd be surprised. Now if he didn't make the roster but they have they added some other quality faces like errol thompson who we're going to talk about later Some other guys too. So yeah very exciting stuff there. Yeah randy what do you think do you do you care about preseason at all do you care about preseason winds or you just want them to like look serviceable while the games are going on yet. No i don't care if we win. Preseason games i think you know the the. There's a reason for the preseason. Obviously you wanna see your team on the field. You wanna gauge. How your players are going to play in a competitive situation under the big lights. So yeah i. I care about it for those reasons. I definitely worried a lot during the quin era. Because i was like. This team doesn't seem ready to play. And then you know there were those seasons where it's like you know the first four games of the regular season. I'm like this team dozen. That's ready to play. Yup that's it matters right but like only to an extent but if you don't reach that threshold then it becomes concerning like when we went on for like several years in a row was like this is a problem now like it's not necessarily about the own part it's about the like you said the lack of preparation. This team doesn't ready to play. Get up to like oh and it was like i think they lost eleven straight preseason game under quin which is ridiculous but yeah i think i think if you go one in three. I guess it'd be one into now like one into every year in the preseason. No one care if you go three every year people will start to care because it's like you can't you really can't one win out it's right it's every year problem because there's been teams that started owen four and then won the super bowl like it's not i think the lions that year they didn't win a single game went for now. Yeah they were four. No yes the opposite can be true as well like you know if you care too much about waiting. Preseason games and not enough about winning real games. that's also a problem. But that seems rarer than that. It's yeah it's it. Preseason win record. I think teams that. Go four in the preseason. It's generally correlated with a lower record but teams that go four. No i think is also correlated with the lower records. So if you're like in between those two points and obviously the stats will be different next three games. But that's where you generally. It doesn't really correlate at all so it's just a i think a lot of super bowl teams have gone like one in three and that sort of thing in the preseason so but yeah i mean it's important to evaluate guys and it's fun to to do the play by play with you guys. I think that's a fun thing that we do. We don't have to compete with the big dogs and kind of hang out. Go over the game and watch for the real nerds especially we have that. Fourth preseason game for the ultra ultra diehards anymore. But i'm not losing too much sleep over that one to be honest with you. So we'll be happy to to not have to call that forth game and see absolutely no one that's going to make the roster playing for like more than i didn't even think i so i officially covered the falcons last fourth. Preseason game unless they bring it back. Because i covered the You know obviously there wasn't one but the year before. Yeah that's true. Good good times back the advertising about ticker battles in yup we were. We were so innocent. Then the but yeah. I mean back to the defensive discussion outside of the starting spot i think one of the big things is like i think a lot. We're hoping for a free. in addition. A lot of people are talking about justin. Houston i believe. Melvin ingram slot. There i haven't been following it super closely over the last week. So it's possible. He got signed. But like melvin. Ingram and justin houston or staudt there. I'll pull up the the free agent list to see for sure but randy. Did you have a name in mind of a guy. That's out there that debt. You're hoping the falcons will add at this point support for this episode comes from locker room the app. That's changing the way we talk. Sports locker room is a sports fans. Dream come true. It's a live audio platform that lets you connect with other fans experts. And even the athletes themselves locker room makes it easy to start your own conversations. Talk about the latest rumors takes news and teams you care about most join massive watch parties for all of your friends to react together in real time as you celebrate a buzzer beater or suffer the agony of a crucial bricks. Free throw and if you've got a bunch of supremely spicy takes you to fire off during luck you can even record the conversations if you want and release them as a podcast. 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I mean i don't think there's a lot of people still out there that are going to be big difference makers on the team and i mean there's definitely guys out there that that that can contribute justin. Houston you can definitely take a look at them but price too but yeah yeah i don't. I don't know how much he's going to bring to a team at this point. Yeah yeah i mean. He's still good last year. The seven sacks indie on like a pretty stack defensive line to be fair. But you know that seven. That's seven to lead. The falcons slashed years. You know it's not like a lot of competition either. So the falcons. Yeah yeah. let's see so yeah. Top guy. available still melvin. Ingram and i would honestly like to see if he's willing to come in here for you. Know four million. Maybe they could swing. That still. have some leftover to carry into next season if they don't necessarily need it. That could be interesting just in houston Olivier vernon trent murphy from the bills everson griffen. Who's like thirty four now. Wow i did not realize he was at all man. That's crazy There's there's a lot of like contributors like alex okeafor adrian. Clayborn could bring him back. I like i would be into that. You know every time he plays he plays well so i mean he's old but yeah i didn't know why we like i have he's contributor. Alecky went out and made huge money right. Where so exactly. Yeah just just good. Old thomas dimitrov not knowing how to evaluate free agent edge rushers. So but yeah. I mean other than that it is. It is going to be interesting to see who actually makes the roster. Because while the top spots aren't necessarily settled they have like a huge jumble of guys so some people are probably not gonna make the cut you know i think like fowler ogan digi as the draft pick arkadiusz mingo and jacob twenty. Mariner probably pretty safe as those first four. But like then it's like. I guess maybe stephen means probably the likely fifth guy but you know there's all phase and then the possibility of somebody else playing edge too so it'll be interesting to see who how that shakes out. But i think the depth good it's just the starting to spots that are a concern. Because i think all those guys we talked about our guys could come in as an edge. Three or four. And you'd be like that's fine. Yeah but if they come in as your edge one or two. Then you're like that's not so fine so the problem with those guys being like an edge through marriage for is there not far off from the talent level of the ones. That's the biggest problem like if he had solid or at least like kind of solid than it would be no big deal but they could make a push for the starting job right yeah. It's not great not great. Yeah yeah so quick interlude here. We're going to go to defensive interior next guys but before that wanna remind you guys to check out the twitter for the show. 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You do have the backup battles but i be shocked to see more than four or four series for the first team in the entire preseason because if ryan goes down we're done so we're not planning to lose stars and meaningless games. Yeah i agree. George this starters maybe play a half you know in that third. Preseason game basically. Maybe that'll be the second preseason game now but yeah for the most part. You're trying to shake out the bottom of the roster and i guess this year maybe it's a little bit more exciting. Because the falcons do have a lot of guys competing for those bottom of the roster spots you know like usually usually the there is only like maybe four or five open spots on the whole roster with the new regime coming in however it's probably a little bit more open than it would normally be by. Yeah it'll be interesting to see how that shakes. I agree with george. Don't don't risk the starters more than you have to you. You want wanna get them. Used to the game. Action used to take hits a little bit. You know but other than that get out of there as fast as you can so and then we got another donation here from kevin dog. Four twenty five one of our longest tenured patrons and longtime. You're of the show kevin. Thanks for your support. Man he says. Kevin tell your wife happy birthday also. He is hopeful that the defense will play more confidently under dean piece. I agree with both of those counts. It was a great birthday. So thank you. We appreciate that but yeah. Let's let's move onto the defensive interior. This is maybe other than linebacker like the strongest position group on the defense because they have an outstanding player. Obviously in grady jarrett but they also have kind of a stacked group here. Where we're we're looking at cutting a number of of guys that could probably make a roster on on most nfl teams so obviously like i said gray jarrett's here tyler is going to be more than likely your primary run stuffing nose tackle. But then we've got last year second round pick marlon davidson. We've got john kaminski who's still officially listed as interior. Though he i think he might get more shot on the outside. We'll see we have rookie tae kwon graham. We have veteran jonathan bullard. And then we've also got former fourth round. Pick desierto not. We've got another nose tackle in olive cycle polo. Who was added recently. And i mean the list keeps going on a john atkins another nose tackle. They added a couple of weeks ago. Zach daw undrafted. Free agent chris layton former under frigid that the team brought back this off season. I mean there's just so many guys there. This actually has the potential to be a pretty strong group. So evan what do you think about this position group and who do you see kind of being the primary guys. Obviously greg jarrett being one. But who do you do. You think it is going to be marlon davidson next to him on passing downs or do you think it's going to be one of these other guys when the dust clears. I mean the plan probably for him to step up but gotta remember that. This regime did draft him. You know so. I'm not sure what the plan is what they have Sunai i'm I mean i think i join everyone in just kind of what is going on with that. Like is he still going to be on the team like what we finally see like him just unleashed and maybe it was something between the last regime and him have no idea Zach daum really interested in. He's undrafted guy from byu I think he's pretty solid in kinda brings like that flexibility. Where he could if he had to play on the edge but Yeah i think there's a ton of those guys because i think bullard in Graham who they drafted is kind of the same type where they could play inside or outside right In i don davidson also played outside and call. Maybe he stood up to right. He's a freak crazy. Yes so maybe. He plays a little outside in. They get they shed some more on the you know on the edge guys that are listed keep more interior guys who just end up playing more on the edge. I have no idea. yeah but yet. So i made it work for my roster. I put kamensky technically as like the fifth edge and kept another guy like i think i kept bullard as like the fifth defensive tackle or something but yeah i mean that's the thing like there's there's too many guys who are like people aren't they're not all gonna make the team. I mean at this point. I'm looking at the key in ten guys and we're cutting at least sonata and all these all the udf as so. It's just it's really cramped there right now. That's where that's where preseason is going to be big because those guys you know in training camp you only see so much but actually seeing them hitting opponents in stuff you're going to see some some of them flash in some of them. just look awful. That's those that's what preseason is all about those kind of position battles. Yeah randy what do you think about that Second anterior spot. Do you think it is going to be marlon davidson. Is that who you wanna see. Or are you like in one of these these newcomers in that role. I like davidson. Haven't i haven't seen enough of Anybody else to make to make a good call there but Yeah i do. I like him. I wanna i wanna see more of them Yeah and we're gonna see what the deal would sonatas if he's if he's out this season it's because you know he was never good enough but i i don't know i just felt like there was there was something going on with the last administration for sure. Yeah but maybe it was like you know an issue that made sense to keep him limited as much as he was or or dan. Quinn was a bad coach. Yes controversial opinion. I know take heartache. What could be possible. It could ability in acquainted with walkie was doing. Yeah strong possibility. So yeah i i mean. Honestly you don't have to be. We don't have we don't need the best guy in the world to be. You know the other part of that interior line right. Because you know you've got one of the best players in one of the best defensive players and football on you know on the other side of that so it's like okay all you have to do his look for your opening penetrate. You're getting. you're getting single. You're getting singled out no question. So yeah i agree. And that's the thing. I don't know who to cut right because it's like i liked tonight and i think he didn't get a fair shot but it's i don't know how you find them a roster spot when like gray. Jerry obviously has a spot tyler davidson. I mean they could move on from him like say like you know. All of cycle polo was just awesome. And they're like we want to keep cycle polo. He's a more traditional three or four nose tackle. We want his size more than we want davis davison but like i find it hard to believe like they got davidson to restructure his contract and they guaranteed a lot more money like i think that's unlikely that they're gonna cut him now. So that's two guys. They're probably not cutting tae kwon graham. They just drafted. And i just find it hard to believe. That kaminsky isn't making the seem either. You know marlon davidson too. So that's that's already five guys right there with jarrett graham davidson davidson and kaminsky. That's five guys now. If you put kamensky at edge you know you've got another spot that you're looking to share between jonathan bullard john atkins undrafted rookies jackdaw. All of segway polo. Dietrich's an chris late. And there's like six guys fighting for maybe one defensive tackle spot. I mean that is by far the most intense competition on the roster. I would say so. It's just yet. Like i don't think so. Not got a fair shake here. But i just i have a hard time finding a spot on the roster but yeah i mean what do you. What do you think evan. Do you think who when the dust clears. Do you think not is on this team or or do you think he's. He's basically looking at the door at this point because i think he's at least like depth worthy I think he's on the team. I think he's even you know it's easy to make fun of how he hasn't really played but he kinda has when he did. He kinda graded pretty well. Yeah so i think he will be but again. A lot has changed the new regime He hasn't seen much action especially last year. So who really knows. But he definitely has a leg up in that he's been in the system which you know new defensive coordinator and stuff like that. But i think he is on the roster but if he's not i obviously won't be surprised but i just want to know what the deals been because it's been probably the weirdest thing about this team it has just you draft a guy in the third random and ride on the bench dislike. I don't think he could have played any better in limited action. It's like i mean. He sure he could have had like a sack every time he stepped on the field but i mean reasonably speaking. I think he was impressive. Enough to to get more place. I just never say. Would they would Do like a healthy scratch on him or whatever and then he would play in he would According to pf be like ourselves you know are obviously not topping grady but right our second like best interior guy or second d. Line guy in general You know great wise so and then he just be back to healthy scratch or out with a angle or something that you know. It's okay yeah. I don't know what to read about this but Yeah but with the new regime may be that becomes more clear bruno's or maybe you just get ends up cutting. That's the end of the story. But that would be very sad end of not be happy to see that. But you know it's so stacked like he can have a good camp. It's still get cut like that's the thing like somebody is going to get cut and probably get signed by other team. Which is a weird thing for falcons defensive lineman but yeah i mean i just like i know some of these guys like i would say like all of polo and john atkins are probably competing for a practice squad spot because like i think tyler davidson is unlikely goanywhere. I think he's a good defender. And i think he's going to be the nose tackle this year because they've kind of backed themselves into a corner with his contract they don't they lose a lot of money for cutting him. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. But i don't think the team is committed to him. Pass this year at all. So they'll need a nose tackle next year. And i think they would like to groom someone they don't have to draft one and all of a cycle polo and john. Atkins two guys. That are nose tackles traditional three or four guys both promising so i think those two are going to duke it out for that practice squad spot. And they'll probably just you know they'll be the primary backup you know they might get elevated to the roster if there is an injury to tyler davidson but otherwise just be kind of learning and you know kind of be slated to take over next year but the rest of the guys. It's like one of these guys is going to get cut and i. I hope it's not john. Quincy i would be really very upset. Kaminsky leaves. Because i just feel like if you can't turn his talent into something because it's not a work ethic thing with him at all like he was constantly praised for being such a high character guy and really working and i think he's flashed a lot to like i. I would just be upset if he doesn't have making the roster so i would be pretty shocked if he did but it's like who doesn't make it's just that that's interesting thing about defensive tackle. Someone's not making it. And ray i think we have jt tm jacob twenty. I think we have him kind of penciled in an edge because that's where the team has listed at outside linebacker but he could also play some interiors. Well we know he has that flexibility and has done that in the past be defensive tackle definitely one of the most interesting ones arguably the strongest on the defense from top to bottom. So we'll see how how that shakes out. One of the more interesting wants to follow another interesting position how that said guys. We'll take a look at cornerback. Which i think is perhaps the most up in the air position of any one in terms of you know other than j tyrrell are any of the jobs set in stone. I don't think so so. Let me read you guys off who the team has right now. So we've got agents or obviously he's going to be the quarter one then we have fabien moreau who seems to be the heavy favorite right now to be the outside guy opposite all opposite agents row. But you know we'll have to see what happens camp. we've also got a former second. Rounder isaiah oliver who seems to be the starting slot guy right now. We have to draft. Picks in darren hall. Who's a fourth rounder. And avery williams was the six rounder williams more special teams guy hall of versatile. Guy We also have a smattering of we. Also kendall sheffield still here from the previous regime still. They're still here. And you know in case you forgot about him. I think i forgot about. Oh my first roster projection. So you know reminding folks he is still here. We have a couple of interesting undrafted guys from last year in tyler hall and dell rick abrahams who both stuck around. There's also chris williamson and we have tj green listed as a defensive back. But he's more of a safety. So i don't think he's really factoring into the corner competition but randy. If you had to pick right now. I mean who are you looking at as the outside guy. Do you like fabien. Moreau there or are you hoping. It's one of the rookies that ends up stepping up and taking that job. I don't know man. Yeah i mean. I grinded the fabien moreau tapes. So you didn't have to. So i don't i. Don't blame you for not watching his like one hundred snaps over the past two years but yeah right i mean you know not gear to figure out you know if he can actually be that guy. I mean i'm. I'm hoping it's one of the rookie. Yeah and that that we've had a good draft and in one of these guys is going to be the guy i obviously like dean pees is like amazing and i'm not terribly worried about picking the wrong guy because i feel like scheme wise. We're going to be able to like adjust to what's going on. And i feel like we're actually going to have a team where the players are schemed to play to their strengths. That we're not going to have people come in and go like no do this thing that you've never done before and the oliver. Yeah why don't you line up on tyreek hill. Yeah that's going to be the player that we want you to be not the player that you are and fit yourself into our scheme and don't you know like don't take into consideration like what what those players strengths and weaknesses are. Yeah not that a player can get better at we get. I mean like start. Be simple so yeah. Yeah i mean that might be the biggest key right overall. It could be that. It's not necessarily that. The players are drastically better. It's that they're used drastically better. And i think that dean pees like what's where he morris took over. The team did get a little bit better about that. And you know the blitzing picked up and they're able to kind of overcome some of their shortcomings in the second half of the season i think over the second half of the season wants remorse took over. They were actually like a fringe. Top twenty defense. Which for the falcons is a big deal that so so. I think that we're gonna see this defense. Look a lot. More like raheem morris's defense and i think will be better. I don't know that he has exactly what he wants to work with this year. They're probably gonna have to cobble it together a little bit. But if anyone dean pees doesn't really have bad defenses. I mean he's had some middling ones but even his quote unquote bad defense at tennessee. They were still like a good defense terms of scoring. I mean they allowed a ton of yards but they were still like a top eighteen defense in terms of scoring even his one of his worst years so he just seems to always get it done. He doesn't always have an elite defense. But i think the fact that he's kind of always been able to cobble together something. Competent is very encouraging. And that might be all that they need right like if they could just get a top twenty defense consistently and not be like the thirty second defense. Offense is as good as it should be then. Maybe that's enough for them to be competitive week in and week out. So we'll see we'll see but yeah. I mean everybody thinking about that quarterback group there. Are you confident in monroe on the outside. You want it to be darren hall. Do you want one of these other guys to get a shot at me. How you feel in there. yeah. I think it's being moreau and then all fair play inside I liked dare del rick abrahams a lot I don't know how far east slips to down six three. Yeah right. I like the size there. tyler hall also like he was undrafted free agent last year who got some playing time in got burnt a lot. Obviously he was thrown to the wall. And that's who. I was thinking i was thinking of when you guys were talking about using players properly. I could be making this up. But i remember. I think it was the willful or game where he liked wind just bonkers in. They just like threw tyler hall out there Like just like insane stuff. That just wasn't working And that's what we saw a lot. You know last year and he could say other years but of lee. Now i mean they're they're young group overall Not a lot of veterans there but I don't know we'll see what happens. I think what will make their job easier if there's actually a pass rush this year There's nothing worse than corners in you. Have literally no pass rush right. And that's that would make it harder for them. So i think that's gonna play into a big. Yeah and that's why we. I think a couple of weeks ago we talked about you know the possibility of them bringing in brian pool with the money from julio jones trade because he is a great yeah arguably the best on here and you know the best blitzing corner the nfl as well which something that ps just loves to do is to throw in those blitzes from from elsewhere. So i would be interested in seeing if you know maybe we. We've talked a lot about edge. Because i think that's probably where it's more needed quote unquote but i think pool can also be a great addition if they go that direction. So we'll see if they do spend any of this money. It's entirely possible. They they very committed to this idea of. Let's get out of this salary cap problem and just eat it because they haven't really made any commitments into twenty twenty two with most of these free agents so it could be that this is a very slight strategy that they're very committed to to the extent that they're willing to just kind of keep this money and use it next year. You know and try to keep as much of it is they can roll it into the they keep all of it. They could end up rolling over like seven million into twenty twenty two and obviously that could go a long way into helping out what is a dicey cap situation. It's not gonna be as bad as this year because cove. It's not a thing but you know it. It's still going to be tight next year. So it'll be interesting to see how committed they are keeping all that money but yeah the big thing for me. Is you know speaking of kendall. Sheffield like i've left him off my rosser projection so far just because i don't know if they keep five corners they keep five safeties five corners and. Odp's likes to play a lot of three safety. So i was like leaning maybe toward keep fifth safety that keep five corners. Like i don't know if sheffield's making this roster because if you've got aj terrell moreau isaiah oliver and then the two rookies that's five right there. So what do you think about that. Is there a chance kennel. Sheffield is on the bubble at this point. I think it's fair to say Last year was a little rough out. His rookie season was okay. Yeah but again. This is a regime that has no attachment to him. They didn't draft him or anything like that. Having coached him yet. So yeah i mean. I think it's fair to say a lot of people are on the bubble who have been starters or played a significant amount of time in pastures. Yeah i agree. So we'll we'll see we'll see what happens. They're very interesting and you know at this point. It's entirely speculation because in case you haven't noticed you know we haven't seen any of these players yet. We haven't been to the otas. We were invited so very few people were. I think the media was only invited to like two or three sessions like total. So no one's really seen more than a flash of these guys and this is all just speculation as i'm sure you guys know but we will hopefully have more information coming in hot when we get to training camp which we still don't know when that is but the panthers announced when their training camp. It's going to be today so hopefully we'll hear in the next couple of days when that will be starting off with the falcons probably less. We could july possibly the first week of august. This seems to be the consensus. So we'll we'll see but cornerback one of the big question marks for sure The rest of the spots. I think pretty much like settled inside. Linebacker there's some maybe some interesting stuff in terms of the last guy. But i mean i think like it's probably going to obviously dion johnson. Foil awoken are going to be the top. Two guys michael walker the number three guy maybe playing some edges. Well some sam type stuff but then it's pretty much open you know. We've got brandon copeland as the veteran who i think is kind of going to be the primary backup and maybe undrafted fridge errol thompson as kind of the road greater sort of traditional old school middle linebacker. That's gonna fly in their shed blocks and be your sort of goal line in short yardage guy. Apparently he's great on special teams to so interested about that but there's just not a lot else going on with that group i mean there's one other undrafted free agent linebacker enduring ethridge who is going to obviously factor in. But i mean. I think it's. It's pretty much cut and dry there and then it safety again. There's there's only i think. Seven safeties on the ross. Or something like that. So you know doron harmon richie grant eric. Harris are the three top guys. They're all pretty much safe. And then jalen hawkins probably still keeping a roster spot as a former fourth-rounder. But you know. I guess dwayne johnson junior who has a great name. The the you had a couple of picks and a practice. So maybe he's someone to keep an eye on and then. Tj green has been someone who's flashed previously in in his other stops in the nfl. Someone that i think people should keep an eye on if they decide to keep a fifth safety but again you know that group is fairly settled as well so Not necessarily aren't peso safety. Yes he's listed as a safety. He is from north western. yeah watched him so. I can't really comment on on. Yeah i don't know much about him or marcus murphy. I think it's also a safety. Yeah yeah so. We'll we'll see what happens there. You know they're probably looking for some practice squad guys in that group as well but that's that's what preseason sport exactly that's when you distant you know you hate to say it but your teammates are. You're kinda your competition. Forget it is guys. You're trying to you know beat out. So yep yep it's a harsh businessman it is yet guys. That's pretty much the gist of the the defense battle teams especially as we get own episode. Man okay hunter tastes there. You go yes. Save those fiery punter takes for next time but before we before we wrap things up guys. Want to read off. George stanzas found donation three dollars. George thanks again. We appreciate you. He says. I wish the nfl nfl. Expand the roster's after week. Their team let teams carry like seventy five players. Like the mlb does but you know after the fifty third player salary doesn't count so similar to the top fifty one rule that they have now that way you can let teams evaluate what they have for the next season in real game time. Yeah i mean. I honestly don't see the problem with expanding rosters. There's like a ton of free agents always on the market. So i i don't think the fifty-three especially if they keep adding games like they're planning to do you know i think it's going to need to come up to fifty five at least and i think it will fifty five very shortly. I think this kind of practice squad. Elevate two guys sort of thing is just kind of a precursor to the fifty becoming fifty five people on the roster but they expanded yeah expanded and i think they're going to. I think they're going to continue adding more practice squad slots next issues too. Yeah so. I think it's going to end up being like twelve practice squad slots over the next couple of years but yeah so i agree. George i mean. I don't really see the point in limiting rosters. You know if it was me. I would just abolish the practice squad and just let them all be on the roster but nfl teams. Don't want to pay them a full salary that that's why they won't do that so it's not like they need the money but they still won't do it so but yeah guys. Thanks for tuning in tonight. We appreciate you hanging out with us in the midst of the dead zone obviously not much going on in terms of actual news but we could still get excited about training camp talk about a few things and do it with a tremendous guest. Friend of the show randy havens. He's on twitter at mr randy havens randy. Any final falcons takes anything else. You'd like to share with people before we sign off tonight looking forward to the to the new season to the new coach to the new. Gm really hoping we'd turn this fucker around. Yes we haven't. We didn't get your record prediction for this year. So how do you feel on right now. What's what's your record prediction. Seventeen games going. Seventeen seventy two. No may yeah. I think it was dan. The man or something like that and the chat said were going to go. Fourteen in three and erica's like if they foresee three. I'll get a tattoo. So we're still tracking that so yeah so we'll we'll keep an eye on that one but randy. Thanks for coming on man. Always a pleasure to have you on. Thank you for having me on the show friend of the show at this point. Yeah yeah best friend. I would think so. Yeah yeah you're at the duke that out with keenan you know you guys are doing it out for the title best friend but why can't you do best friends. You know aren't aren't former layer. Best friends we got. Everybody has their niche. You know so but yeah. Thanks again. Randy we appreciate. You mean you. We also have us of course chat. Yes big thanks jan ups pickups guys like it. Subscribe all those good things at this. Evan burchfield director guests personnel at every brookfield on twitter. Evan anything else. You're working on anything. You'd like to plug i've yet to see a pay raise from that title but yeah i don't know yeah dave you know. He's he's doing the handles that so. Yeah sometimes titles just title i guess so yeah Nothing really plugged likened. Subscribe to this channel if you haven't already Followed instagram the underscores alcoholic Follow me on twitter at edinburgh field in just go the foul call dot com in. Read our stuff. Yep yep we're we're still all follow randy. Oh yes friend of the show. Yeah where going me. I know i know i know you are asking everyone. Who's no having seen him. He's been in some great films and great shows so you guys. I mean if you're not following he didn't say that no no that was just that one hundred percent genuine payment was like you had to say that i then you've gone through right so technically it wasn't he he has not been paid to say payment was conditional. Yes exactly the payment is on the way now. It is sent. I just click the button. So thank you for that. Welcome yep but guys check out on twitter as well. He also was the falcons instagram page to check that out as well notably followed by the falcons official accounts as well. Apparently so apparently. Yeah but that's for another show. But guys i'm kevin night alcoholic kevin on twitter again. Check out the dot com. Follow the show f alcoholic live. Check out the discord. If you're into that stuff Check out the patriots for sure. Like i said we're working on some long term plans there to get some more patron exclusive content. We're also going to be having a patron exclusive fantasy football league. We may have another open league. Just for everyone. If i don't know if i can run it just because i'm already having to run like four or five weeks but if someone else wants to run it that works for alcohol clive then we might have another league but otherwise it's going to be patriot league so definitely if you're interested in that you're gonna hit that up and there's also of course other exclusive content and our eternal gratitude. That's on offer as well so check that out guys but again. Thank you for hanging out this tonight. We will see you guys in two weeks. Next week i am also occupied doing some other stuff for family. So i won't be able to do that and also there's nothing to talk about so it ends up working out nicely there but we'll be back for the rest of july as we ramp up for training camp as you guys know we are planning to go and cover training camp hopefully the first week but we'll see in terms of availability when we could get credentials and all that stuff so stay tuned for that and we'll just get right into that coverage and preseason and then the season so we're we're almost there not too much longer one more month basically tell the dead zones over and it'll be full full blast football content from then on out guy so until next time i'm kevin night for my host. Evan burchfield and friend best friend of the show randy havens thank. You guys have a great night. We'll see you next time.

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Falcons vs. Texans: Another awful loss to scream about

The Falcoholic

36:50 min | 2 years ago

Falcons vs. Texans: Another awful loss to scream about

"Any Ninja Warrior fan guys welcome to the alcohol mix post game podcast the two thousand nine hundred and season week I want to know more about what your favorite Ninjas have on their minds check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen fact that this Falcons Defensive Line could not take advantage of arguably a pretty weak offensive line in the Houston Texans Yeah I mean in the story here going into this game I had done in my normal series comparing the falcons defense to the opposing offense I had not in he basically like I'm not sure who hit Watson basically fumbled the ball was able to pick it up and then run for I think I down like to me did that. This was a prime opportunity for the Falcons defense to go against a Texans offensive line that had given up the second most media thoughts in the aftermath we are defenses bad that is my initial thought because thirty two points is these but they just could not capitalize and it seemed like there's opportunities the Texans converted those for big plays So what do you think about the the last score was a pick six against Matt Ryan so technically the defense really only gave up forty seven points if that makes you feel any better at all and it was a very good watch dwi I have no idea what you're talking about it definitely was if you're a Texans fan I mentioned to you before the show that when they did get pressure Watson's ability to just get out of pocket neither extended play or it probably shouldn't it doesn't make me feel better Evan what's your takeaway about this game you're winnable score for offense you know but fifty three points in you did you did mention how one of them was interception return can't totally put down the defense like he's a great player you gotTa give him credit but there were many times where it's just you sea TAC coming around chasing him too quarterback hits in the League through the first four games the Shawn Watson has been hit repeatedly sacked I believe eighteen times in four games and like if you'RE GONNA lose it's usually close but if felt like we got blown out and we basically did some last minute nat light it looked like it was just given the team gave up at that point they were going to chase him down thirty two points should be enough to win you a game but throw it downfield made it irrelevant The Times I can think about is like that he was in the pocket in the pocket collapsed and because the Falcons lost this game on the road fifty three to thirty to do want to add the caveat that the yeah they they did not register a single sack gray jerry seemed to be only person generating any kind of pressure in fact they had some that touchdown that put them over thirty for the first time this season Oh my God this offense the season in a disaster in itself but let's talk about let's start with the defense because I think that the you know last six eight minute drives by the Falcons put them over thirty got them to the thirty two Beautiful Pass from Ryan Ridley did I do agree that it looked like grady gier was like the only real interior pass rusher on the team because he was getting in the backfield making plays the other side and there's like tax not going to Outrun Watson so there's nothing he can do there but yeah they're definitely you know you gotta have some saxes assaulting some heat the desma true fought it across the board demolish mail and I think when you begin ends without looking at him as a whole because everybody struggle you know right yeah I think that's a very fair take on that because the fans so for Dan Quinn to spent this much time focusing on communication wherever he did not only didn't work it You Know Stopping Carlos high a couple times by the defensive line you know it they struggled but you know it's hard to pick a potter the defense not communicating. That's something that Dan Quinn emphasized a lot in this offseason he had said repeatedly that so with that I mean you've now seen five games with Dan Quinn as the defensive coordinator in your mind is this defense or putting special emphasis on getting the guys in the secondary in in in the middle of the defense to communicate with one another to know where the other to pile up names like that it begins to point at something more than just hey these players didn't play well because it really was it may have had the opposite effect because the secondary just looks lost and it'd be one thing if it was consistently Isaiah Oliver and better the same or worse than the injury riddled unit we saw last year. It's definitely worse because five touchdowns passer rating like in it sucks because Dan Quinn's big thing was he was taking back over the rain save first-time starters second-year player he struggling he's bad whatever but when you see multiple guys again you know Ricardo Alan Desmond True Font Kiana Neil done now does Shawn Watson I mean Watson had a I believe he had a perfect passer rating which you always see before he went down with injury accomplish mail you've got you've got veterans back there who are also position that tells me there's something else going on Anna hone in on specific players and also saw several people criticizing Isaiah Oliver and certainly had some bad plays Ricardo Allen is the ball at times but on defense it's like you pretty much see the same thing every week in it's like these quarterbacks it's like they they're you know the we've been facing lately have been a little more mobile like we were able to cut somewhat contained Carson Wentz enough to win because we did that game early on the field anymore I don't know why exactly I noticed the entrance is always inactive like the and I noticed a lot of people mentioning on twitter like this is where we're at where people are asking for our marquand manual to come back like where all of these guys healthy which is stunning and they gave up almost twenty seven points per game last year I think now after this game at least they add an excuse to bad in ice still don't even think they were that bad in you know I'm a big a homer for Jack Crawford but I notice he's sorry coming out of the Seattle Babol we've talked to all this stuff before but you know to your point and I agree with you I think the defense actually looks worse this year with in two thousand nine hundred before the season I probably would have argued the offense because of a new coordinator again coming in even though I was hoping we'll talk about the offense in the second half we're in that spot like I mean I knew I knew going into the season like the Falcons couldn't be dominant like I had some optimism especially when they throw it's one thing if I walked in real quick threw a pass perfect passer eighty eight through thirty three times folks the four hundred twenty six yards actually giving up more points per game than the injury riddled defense of two thousand seven two thousand eighteen pardon me and if you're Dan Quinn if it wasn't for like our offense air at the end by Jacoby per se Marcus Mariota Oh count those last six on the pick six gave up forty seven on the roads you mentioned a perfect passer rating and I love to Shawn Watson he's one of my favorite quarterbacks yeah this is this is a whole other level I think I if you were to ask me which unit may struggle more in everyone was excited but that that's a risk because of what has happened now he is solely to blame for the defense garbage defensive line is struggling as it is why not try something different it just seems like we're stuck in our ways in nothing's being adjusted in you know you see kind of bumbled like you said you made that bet on yourself that I'm going to be the guy to turn this defense around I'm GonNa step in it's going to be mine and I'm GonNa take credit for it closer than it actually felt it's weird like I feel like we lost fifty three two zero that's the kind of feeling this game had 'cause like the Ridley touchdown came really late I was GonNa be to make sure people were where they needed to be and if there's one thing we've seen through these first five games it's that this defense constantly looks out of place uh-huh that is it it has to be something deeper win the entire defensive secondary is out position in a missing plays this is unacceptable no matter what you cannot as a defensive coordinator give up forty seven points and expect to keep L. Doom for Dan Quinn in Atlanta in your mind Evan it's got to I was you know everybody was pretty much on the fence thirty seven I mean that sucks but like that's manageable this team got destroyed like the or the scorer seems one of which he was just short in the other one Isaiah Oliver Basically tackled him out at the inch- line so he scored like five times is more like garbage time scoring is just it's crushing because it's like we're not even halfway yet in the season basically thing would turn around for his sake because I do like him I think he's a bit coach and stuff but I don't know how you can recover from it like this is it's not like you lost thirty two it well you're going to get to take the credit for it and this putrid future defense just gave up forty seven on the road again the one that discredit him at all as you said he deserves credit for being a very good player and extending plays outside the pocket but is hoping you know the the offense occur wouldn't change dramatically but I felt like with Quinn and they're running defense he would know exactly what he wanted to do he is a competitor John I wanted to mention this I would I saw online Jason Bet but with the athletic said that Kiki Cudi who's a the job and even were even more so that you've done this now in your head coach does this spell does this Rick Record Game Yes sixteen targets fourteen receptions two hundred seventeen yards and three touchdowns and he should have had five touchdowns the same league as the Shawn Watson those guys had essentially good games compared to their normal stat line you know nine carries fifty nine yards six point six average but most of that came on the big run towards the end of the game realistically that end because our defence could not stop them I don't even think we mentioned it but will will fuller completely had like Julio s day so this is quickly becoming a a laughable defense and again as you as you point out perfectly at the beginning of this conversation defense they aimed to fix one issue and they created a bigger more glaring issue in the process. Sure you you're doing better against the run but wide receiver for the Texans mentioned that the Falcons defense felt basic that kind of sums it up end it's what we've been seeing all year you know it's not like league one hits any kind of get a little okay I'll what maybe we're not as good I don't think anybody could have seen this being this bad like we're in a hole right now oh you're giving up record yards to the opposing quarterback and even to you know lesser quarterbacks like Marietta and Brusett you know neither of which I think are in not even on the fence I'd say they were pretty much over the fence about to touch the ground that Dank winding to be fired this is like you know I was hoping way to cut that and just feels like the game that may end up being the death knell for his time as head coach in Atlanta I hate it like a touchdown down at times they went for two in Got It I think Austin Hooper caught it we were like in this game in Texans took off towards in this is defense that can stop the run now as like they focused on that heavily this off season with signing guys like Alan a against the the eagles this is this is quite possibly be worst possible start we've seen to a season has to we weren't stopping the run at all it it's one of those days where you WanNa just like wash your mouth it just feels filthy anything's really changed it goes back to what I mentioned a couple minutes ago about there's like no adjustment on defense it seems very Vanilla Bailey and Tyler Davidson and I think those were good signings but they're stopping the run but to your point they gave up four hundred twenty six passing yards. It's like we focus on the Andre Hopkins but willful or torched us just absolutely torch us in the running backs had like this holiday against of three touchdowns to the number two wide receiver not even the you know new caulkins who's one of the best receivers in the league I it's it seems like this all last year but my God one in four arguably could have been Owen five were it not for a dropped pass by Nelson Galore we'll be right back this episode is brought to you by Cox with Contour TV from Cox you can find all your favorites all in one place thirty right now like I need to go shower and it was just gross watching that it really was you know again what's amazing is in recent memory and this includes the Mike Smith Year so very very damning horrible game definitely not one You WanNa see at this point in the season so I think at this point I think Dan Quinn will make it to the by week all bets are off after that especially if they continue in this fashion so with that before we talk about the offense ticky take a quick break all your favorite APPs shows and movies on Contour TV from Cox. Hey I'm Spencer Hall I'm Holly Anderson I'm Ryan Nanny I'm Jason Kirk and liked Dan Quayle liked the higher when we brought him in I did personally feel like he deserved this season despite some of the issues we we announcers fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on Apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP and we're back on the alcoholics post game podcast for week five for folks who didn't Actually Watch the game the Falcons were in it for Like they were only you if you look at the Texans like their running game Carlos twenty-one carriers sixty yards he had a touchdown but two point nine yard average Duke Johnson Atlanta Falcons visiting the Houston Texans where they suffered a fifty three to thirty two losses as David Walker. I'm back with my co host Evan Burchfield and we're going to talk about the Falcons offense because visit have the Youtube Bet El what about that net flicker thing Netflix and all those Superhero Movies Contour has all the latest titles on when we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants worn middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights gave the Atlanta Falcons visiting Houston Texans joining me as always my co host and fellow writer. Alcoholics Evan Burchfield Evan how about that game go my grandkids love that big green guy I prefer the one with the hammer myself okay I think we're done here now we're the host of the shutdown forecast avengers of college football podcast it says in the script to riff on what that means basically what I mean is this all already spoiled every Tuesday I actually think that this is a mixed bag despite the fact they give thirty or scored thirty two points against Houston so let's talk about uh-huh tied income in in score two of the touchdowns And I think that was his only to catch of the day is just you know for Dan Quinn to take ownership of this defense this means autumn it's on his shoulders this is him this is on him there's no some of the numbers real quick before we dive into this because I think you know this is part of the story and I want to talk about the other half of the story Matt Ryan finished the game thirty to forty six three hundred thirty yards passing three touchdowns and of course that one interception which though some people are going to beat up on for it you know the picks never have that marquee running back but they still collectively have like a good day running the ball when they need to we do not it's like and heavily involved in a passing game but the the way it's being used like you look at the stats and they don't look terrible I still feel like this offense is having major issues even though they scored thirty two points today in this is the first game they scored thirty points all season running back when you consider the Texans combined running back targets scored fifty three points would they only had to you'd like to scored thirty two points yes Matt Ryan had for three hundred yards Yes you should be able to score thirty plus points in the game and win that game when over thirty points this still feels like an offense that is not working to to its biggest most capable we have no run game Edo Smith has been saying I feel like all season he's looked better than Freeman Lee led all receivers with five receptions for eighty eight yards and the touchdown Austin Hooper had six for fifty-six either Smith had six forty five Jones three but definitely as you mentioned something does feel off you just you have to have a reliable running game that's first of all even the Patriots you know I mean Ridley had one one target and it was a catch in the colts game this dude should be a top focus of your offense just like Julio Jones should how the offense really didn't turn it on until late it felt like like I mentioned earlier the Calvin Ridley touchdown was like a junk time touchdown brilliant in in both of them being used a lot in the passing game this game both of them had combined I think eleven targets as a bit much you see Julio Jones more involved he did have seven targets in only three of them were caught but he seemed like when those balls were dropped he was like at least had to or mini. NFL and clearly defense has major issues But I still I I'm curious to get your opinion on this I definitely have a strong on here three defenders on which only makes me think that somebody else has to be open I do like seeing cooper constantly used because I do I do appreciate having tied in the running game devante Freeman Levin carries thirty yards for a two point seven average either Smith five carries nineteen yards for three point eight average Receiving Calvin combined are running backs had like four forty nine yards of less than fifty I don't remember the last time a falcons running back one hundred yard day you have to be able to its fullest capabilities what's your take on that do you agree to disagree or do you feel like this was a turning point for the offense now is just you look I want Vantera Freeman to be the better back because I like him but you know you can't ignore what your eyes are saying the clock down it feels like to me anyway it's like the Falcons offense just feels predictable where I down you'll must know what's going to be running up the middle the freemen like beautiful play to sidelined in You know he almost stepped out of bounds in any caught at the end zone it was magnificent but it just shows you forty two and Muhammed's new five for forty two with a touchdown this is I think where some of the flaws are showing yes which goes for like a yard or two in dull throw something offshore to sue or something and maybe he'll take a shot at Julio on third down in the Falcons oh absolutely and I think you absolutely hit on a key point here is the predictability I think when even under Steve Sarkisian every weekend like even when they come GonNa Watch him but they seem very predictable you get that feeling when you're watching them especially during the game same vanilla I mean we're hearing the defense being vanilla but dolphins seems very predictable me I don't know if it's just because I'm a fan and I watched him last year in two thousand seventeen to a lesser extent but clearly in two thousand sixteen hundred Shanahan one of the hallmarks of this offense was it's unpredictable up in a fourteen formation which is absolutely stunning for those that don't know what kind of play calls coming mix and it feels like the opposite is true now I saw on several occasions where Houston stacked the box on

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Falcoholic Interview: Evan Birchfield

The Falcoholic

52:37 min | 1 year ago

Falcoholic Interview: Evan Birchfield

"This is the podcast. The official PODCAST. The Atlanta Falcons on the espy nation. Podcast network. I'm David Walker. He guys to call me. And this is the next part in our series of podcasts. Were you will listener. We'll get to know. Our stable of writers over at the COM. Next guest is to any of you who listen to our podcast. During the season he is my co host on the post game. Podcast is one of variety at the site. I'm talking of course. Evan Burchfield Evan. How are you doing man? I'm doing great. I'm ready to just talk about myself and be selfish here. Yes obviously this is all about getting to know the people who make up the Hollick DOT COM and make this podcast. You're a critical component of that. So let's jump into it first of all. Obviously I question Aid You Falcons Fan. And when did that happen so to summarize it because I could literally tells the story all day I was born in western North Carolina near Ashville. Which is the main city there And growing up before the Carolina Panthers came in there in Ninety five me and my Dad. went to Atlanta because it was actually about the same distance in my dad has is a lifelong Minnesota Vikings Fan since he was a kid. Mom because in he'd explain to me back then they didn't have you know today's youth in don't They think it's you. See All these different teams in stuff on TV all the time. And that's not how it was the main teams back. Then where you'd see the Dallas cowboys on Monday night football or whatever the same Cisco Forty niners packers. Whatever debt in the Vikings being one of them In it was the time of the Purple People Eaters. Or whatever ninety ways. He's he's a diehard vikings fan in the Vikings in nineteen ninety six. I was actually six years old Where playing in Atlanta so we went down in its Two two and a half hour drive so we went down to Atlanta Georgia. Dome and I I mean I was only six so unfortunately like I don't remember a whole lot of the game. I know the Falcons did of course lose the game Seventeen to twenty three I think tomorrow Anderson was on the roster I don't think June Jones might have been the coach Aside from that I mean. That's all obviously stuff. I looked at after like I was a kid in. The nose bleeds. Like I don't remember anything about the game. Got Some pictures from it and stuff like that but he took me. You know thinking I would become Minnesota Vikings fan like him. I don't know if it was the black jerseys black helmet just the coolest they had or because they were the home team but ever since that moment I've been you could say unhealthily obsessed with being a fan. It's life I think the Falcons I this point is living an unhealthy. Life are so long you got started early. So what is one of your earliest memories? And obviously as Falcons fan it could be a fog gallery or obviously be a very non positive memory. What's your earliest memories watching this team I mean when I think back to obviously like the dirty dancing Jamal Anderson like I I remember you know when you're older and you can look back like you're you realize yeah. He wasn't the best running back that ever lived but when I was young I thought he was God on off-field leg of the way he was his big dude who could You know and they even look bigger back then because in today's football they have. Everything's tighter the uniforms. Tighter shoulder pads on its big back. Then it was bulky in. He had a big shoulder pants. He had that face. Macs with the little. I don't know what it is but it's like old school little horn or whatever like the little U. shape thing In I just thought he was like amazing so doing the dirty bird eventually going on to the NFC championship against my dad's team. Obviously but in the Super Bowl but That I loved Tim to White I just I just remember being in North Carolina Even though we were so close it was rare. That like a rarity to be a falcons fan or see Falcons fans in anytime you did. It was like this big thing 'cause I mean it wasn't like you see how you go to the store and see like the cowboys had or something even today. I guess you could say it's the same but It was almost like a honor. Like self honor where it's like. Wow you know. I'm the Falcons Fan. This is unique. There's not a lot out there but then eventually you get on twitter and you're like oh there's a ton of yeah but when you're back in the days of Social Media. I didn't know any falcons fans. Yeah it's It's interesting you you'd think for a team like the Falcons which doesn't have the broad appeal like you mentioned the cowboys or forty niners. It does seem like regionally for a period of time. The Falcons were very popular with fans in other states. I I know someone that lives in Winston Salem North Carolina. Who is still to this day? A Hardcore Falcons Fan. Even after the panthers came in. Yeah because originally there were the only team really for him to to root for so. Yeah and here's a here's a fun fact. You know it the Falcons. It's like that first game I went to. That's the only home game I've ever been to. I've been to probably ten or more away games. You know in Florida where I live in. I am into a home a home game since. Yeah it's actually something that's relatively true for several of our writers at the Alchoholic Dot Com including our made editor. Dave coates lives in the northeast. We will not pinpoint his location for those who would stock him but moving on. We're here to talk about Evan number three. When did you start actually writing about this team and in what drove you to actually write about Instead of just simply being fan well for me. It started with twitter Which is basically writing. You're just not writing a long article you know you just put up your thoughts during games or after games. Whatever in early Are Corey Woodrow Foods with the Foul Golic? Now he was with risa breeder And you know I got to know corean stuff and I went onto right there for I think like a season I think the twenty seventeen season In Corey obviously came to the Falco Hollick and already knew pretty much all of the writers anyways just through twitter and stuff But I got an opportunity to write for the Falcon Holly in I've been doing that since Twenty November twenty eight team so It's it's I I enjoy it. It's fun to know that people are reading your stuff in some disagree in some degree in just being able to share your thoughts with people. You know even this kind of stuff where people want to listen to my background like. That's an incredible thing I will say for those listening if you're looking to interact with alcohol and its various writers twitter's absolutely under percent the place to do it. Most of us have very significant Twitter presences and Evan is no exception. I exception exceptions so and it's not just football. We'll talk to you about anything. Oh really yeah. I think if you're just looking to get to know the people who also enjoy watching the Falcons get tortured by team. Twitter's the place to do it All right so not. You've been writing about the team for a couple of years. You've been on twitter. You've been at the alcoholic What is one of the worst takes where you look bagging? Fake Oh man a wish. Take those words back because Sarong I I mean the ones that instantly come to mind. I remember being like amped when we signed Ray Edwards. Probably like we'll unease too easy one where like a lot of people share that same opinion but I remember just the excitement like I remember. I told you where I was like I was. I was working at Sports Authority in college and I was like. I went to the restroom to read it. You know and I'm like Oh my God we side Ray Edwards. 'cause I think the eagles were the other team. That was like rumored to be interested in. I thought Oh this is gonNA change stuff. Obviously that fell flat on the other. One is more recent I guess In another easy one but miles jack I remember wanting him in when the Falcons passed on. Komo Neil like like. I didn't have anything negative to say about Neil but I was like what is wrong with this team like war. Why would you pass on Miles Jack? Like he fell into your lap. But you know I guess both of them in hindsight have Kinda had some injuries like So but I mean when Kiana kneels on the field. He's incredible so yeah. I write that up as a self Where state you were alone. In absolutely Ray Edwards was all many of us are always many of us. Were in that boat. So Yeah. The former underwear model did not workout for On the flip side one of your best takes. Maybe you saw player. He thought okay. This guy is and I'm a fan of him and and other people were aboard or someone that early on you thought they were going to pan out and it turned out that they did. Well if you follow me on twitter My most infamous one is probably the Giorgio. Takeo Oh no where like. Everyone was grilled me for but I didn't think he proved enough to keep him and I know he went like eight for eight. In what would that have been twenty twenty eighteen from the team He went like eight for eight He you know he did have a great. He did a great job but I thought it was. Bizarre that Falcon just handed him the Job In we're kind of in that same situation now Where the Falcons haven't brought any competition yet in for Cou. I mean they probably will because there's still a lot of time between now and Preseason but yeah that would probably be one of my better takes because I was in I spent like the whole off-season like why are you just giving this man the job? Then they eventually bring Blair Walsh who was like the King of choking on big kicks like it was like they just doubled down on it and then eventually Matt. Brian came back. But in all die on the hill that it was the place holding a having a rotation of hunters last year that really ruined it for Matt. Bryant's return That's probably another argument for another day. Yeah probably so I will say I do want to remind our readers listeners that it was Evan in not the national writers that broke the News Matt Bryant Being Adam Schefter and Ian rapoport steal my source it is also I wanNA give a shout out to Jack Crawford member. There was at one year. Yeah where like he was coming off the Think it was a torn triceps. It was like something on his arm. in like I was saying he's you know he's gone in for a big year he actually did have a career year any finish like tied for second in Sacks L. Probably me my other some weird best tanks. I will say I like Jack Crawford. Lot for being Just a quality player that Falcons didn't have to spend a lot of money on so yeah and I've got I've gotten to know him personally and he. He really is a genuine Full like a quality person. You know you hear these stories of some of these guys were just like jerks. They liked the fame. Go to their head in just being in the league but he he really is a nice to now. He's in Tennessee. Yeah as as many falcons are all right. So what is something that our readers listeners may not know about you? That's interesting different unique I'm a Disney annual pass holder. 'cause I live in Florida so years ago I got bored in. I used to like put on social media mainly facebook like pictures I would go to Disney and take pictures and put that on there So then eventually I made a facebook page and you can go to. If you're a fanatic. it's FACEBOOK DOT COM SLASH. Disney annual pass holder or on instagram. It's the same thing instagram dot com slash Disney annual pass holder And I have like over to. I think twenty twenty two thousand followers or something. I just share. Yeah it's it's a hobby like I don't get paid for it and stuff but it's it's just like if you're a Disney Fan Theme Parks whatever I share like news on there and pictures and that kind of stuff. So that's kind of my random didn't know about me. Think wow I didn't. That's very cool and taught to almost every week during the season. That's all right the a penultimate question before you head into our break Your favorite all time Falcons player actually Clarify doesn't have to be a falcons player last week. Dropped a couple of names. Neither which were falcons players. Yeah but your favorite player all-time and why my favorite player all time in why That's tough 'cause I I literally could name like six or seven right now. That like I consider amazing. Early wasn't mean yeah Favorite player of all time. I mean I Brett Farr I guess would be. I just loved how he was like not really a rebel but a rebel to the position where it was just completely different than the pocket. Passers like this is mainly because yeah because when I was growing up you know it's like there was like Dan Marino and I guess Joe Montana was on his way out like Week men A lot of these kind of passers Kinda similar where Brett Farve. It just seem like he was totally different in. I know he was on the packers who I'm not a fan of in stuff but I always thought like. He's one of my favorite players. I don't know that's a tough question to be honest because like I said there's like I feel guilty for leaving out so many names. No that's great answer. I mean yeah and I've always wanted a Brett farve throwback Jersey just to have it because you know why not. I think it's fascinating. That he played for the Falcons even though it was only for what a year one year for Jerry. Glanville ship them off. Yeah and actually. I was watching the other day that there's a nfl time-line thing. It's like the nineteen ninety-one Falcons. It's very interesting For anyone who is in that kind of thing I will say about four of the one the one stat that I just love about him is that when he retired he led the NFL touchdowns and he was number one interceptions as well. The guy was the the truest definition of NFL quarterback gunslinger. That you he would throw in the traffic if there were four guys. He didn't care. He thought his arm was strong enough to fit it into a small window and times. It was but he was often proven wrong. Do Yeah definitely but a fun. Fun Fun player. Watch love watching him play and he was in. You didn't grow up in the nineties like he was huge in the nineties He sometimes gets forgotten Like you know talking about the modern quarterbacks like peyton manning. Tom Brady drew brees obviously but Brett. Farve was like back in the nineties. He was one of the top. Dudes like dance. Oh Oh yeah the without a doubt that if not the guy up a period of time so All right. I'm a narrow. This down to the Falcons go to break. This next question is who is your favorite active. Falcons player. And why just one right to swim? Gosh my favorite I mean it has to be Julio Dudes incredible It's one of those things. Where like if he played for in I hate. I hate that this thing. But the hall of fame shows as National Media shows if Julio Jones played for the steelers or the cowboys or you know one of them. Big Market teams be literally considered one of the greatest of all time. He's had earned that even with like the Falcons thing holds it against him. He's just incredible him. Calvin Johnson I think out of this kind of newer generation are the best receivers you know going back to Algeria. Rice and stuff. Rainy Moss obviously could be one of them but just a super rare talent in. We've been blessed to be able to watch him You see him in big moments how he actually does step up on like wider Some other ride wide receivers around the league. Who Don't run very deep routes. But Julio when you needn't he's there you know I'm not GonNa talk about that. Well I know I know. It's probably going to be one of the questions soon but for now. I'm not going to talk about that event that we gave us all depression but who he stepped up in. He did his job. He did not do his job in that game. It's one of those things where it'll be lost in time. But he really is a phenomenal player in not only that he is A. He has diva talent in his nut. He's furthest thing from it. Some people probably don't even know what he sounds like like just a professional even in interviews where he's ambushed by TMZ to try and get him to throw dirt on Matt Ryan or something. The Dude is class. The Way and Eric Robinson our in our last Getting to know the writers series podcast mentioned the same thing. We talked about the fact that you've got these other wide receivers You look at the US Obviously Antonio Brown in Turlough wins in his time. There were incredible talents but along with that came a lot of headaches. And with Julio like the biggest headache that we've had was if very very short holdout which was lasted entire week. Yeah and he wasn't trashing the team or anything no not at all like he was quiet through the entire thing and it just says so much about the player character in Like you said he's. He is a diva talent without the drama. That goes minute so Love the answer Before we get into the remaining questions about Evan. 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Every Tuesday and Friday. Subscribe on Apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to podcasts. We're back on the PODCAST. Is David Walker? I'm speaking with my friend Co host during the rhythm season on the post game podcast Burchfield. We're talking about his time. As a falcons fan some of the things finds him that defines his His wife as a Falcon Span And Ever GonNa dive into these remaining questions to the fancy little bit a little bit better. So we've talked about your all time favorite player your favorite current player but the one who are your top three all time Atlanta Falcons like if you were if you're thinking about Evan Burchfield as a teenager putting posters on his wall who were those three guys. They're going to be those posters on Evans. Birchfield's wall now candice Not Be like I don't have to do this politically correct because all like this is to me in how they make me feel right huns. Oh yes I would have to say because in Tommy notice absolutely deserves to be up there. I didn't watch him play like I. You know I find it that you need to have watched. These people play to fully understand like what made them great. Unfortunately I mean. I didn't get to watch him play. I'm not that old but Matt Ryan. For what he's done you know for the franchise We've been lucky to have a franchise quarterback you can talk about. You know super bowls and stuff like that. But he's given us a chance every single year in. It hasn't always been his fault so he'd be one with him Matt Bryant because he's like my him. I Love Brian. But a lot of Matt Ryan's comebacks you know in those early years was off the map. Bryant's leg and we were blessed to have a kicker for so long who was clutch. You know in those moments. I think the true. What worries me is that that last year where you know there were struggles. Obviously I mentioned I think it's it was having a different punter and placeholder every week Not Helping but when you go. Let's say like a decade from now. Hopefully fans aren't thinking. Oh yeah remember how it ended like remember the Times. Where like against the seahawks where he steps up in makes a big kick. Matt Ryan used to get him into field goal range to where he can make. These fifty yard kicks to win the game. You know in a lot. The accolades obviously go to quarterback has got him down there. But a lot of Matt Ryan Wins. I actually did a Falcon holic. I think last year on a lot of the winds came from Brian Light. So He's definitely In my top three and I said it Julio Jones I gotTa keep him up there some great top three. It's just it's tough because like there's a lot of people who deserve to be on the list that I did watch. You know that I like Tony Gonzalez. I love Tony Gonzalez. But there's no way I can knock one of these guys off of the list Michael Turner I loved. Him Chris Chandler was like my first like real quarterback as a fan like I always had a soft spot for him. I even had a Chris Chandler Jersey. And if you're looking on the FALCONS DOT COM. I'll have the picture will be up there but Yeah I'd have to go Matt Ryan Map Right. Julio Jones because that's my teenage years into my present that those were the three instrumental and You know being fan I. Let's be honest. The best stretch of continuous. Winning seasons in Falcons history happened with those three guys team. Anchoring like you said that the comebacks we often talk about Matt Ryan his comebacks and he obviously one hundred percent deserves credit for them but same time. Many of them as you noted came on the heels of Matt Bryant Punching in many clutch field goals. And I don't want any listener to forget the fact that Matt Bryant was as clutch as they came and It fantastic lists of completely agree with you a little bit of a different note. Because in the time the falcons have been around they have had some interesting Yeah obviously we've got Dan Quinn. Currently we've had a guys leg. Do Jones Just a whole host Mike Smith but who is your all time? Favorite Falcons coach doesn't even have to be the most winningest coach used to coach. You enjoy watching or whatever your reason. This well just for the sake of picking one. I guess I'll go Dan Quinn but like I really don't have a favorite Like I'm not willing to go to bat for any of I think it's they had so much. You know like Dan Quinn. He's had so much talent in obviously couch in played a part in that Mike Smith I believe is the most winningest coach Probably like what sixty something wins? He's at Dan Reeves I love the suddenness of like he just I mean growing up I remember thinking he was great in everything in He just he was. You see different techniques from these coaches or different coaching styles and stuff. We're Mike Smith. You saw little more passion You know during Games think wind has kind of that passion also. He's got that like where he wants to give inspirational. Speeches in quotes and stuff like that You know they're all very different. But I mean Dan Quinn he. I think he's had the most success in the years he's been given where you know you go to the Super Bowl You almost go back to the Super Bowl. you know. We've been in a dry spell recently but you know weird stuff like hey think wins going to get fired and then they all of a sudden go six and two or whatever you know and it's like I have you know we have mild I guess connections to the Locker Room where we can hear stuff in the one thing I've heard constantly in. It's now out in the media so everybody knows it but the players loved like they. They love him. They played their azoff foreign last year. Like they that's the reason he's still there because the players really tried to keep him and they they succeeded but they love Damn Clinton. I think that's the kind of coach you want Obviously everybody wants to win. But you know you want somebody who you want to play for. Its like leader. You know you want somebody who's GonNa Legion battle in Dan. Quinn is a guy you know and the I'm a big fan of in Queens and I know a lot of fans obsolete into this podcast in those read site a ready to move on from him but I feel like he's done a lot of things right. I'd I really hope. Twenty twenty goes well for him so to your point I like. He's he's connected with the players in the way that many of our other coaches have not and I think he does things right way so all. Right moving on Falcons players. We have seen quite a few come through either training camp or the team throughout the years. So on. Talk about the most underrated in the most overrated. That you've seen in your time watching the falcons. So we'll start with the first. The most underrated Falcons player in your mind that you see fans constantly criticizes person or Anti Consort Review like dare not appreciated in a way that I mean the obvious answers Matt Ryan but I'm sure like everyone else's picking net so I'm a go off in different but that's who I would pick is obviously what he's done for this franchise something. It's one of those things where once he leaves. You'll appreciate it more in it's unfortunate but that's how that's how it goes. You know the Miami Dolphins are doing that right now with Marina. They've been doing twenty years or whatever so for me. The most underrated in Like it's Jessie Tuggle. I just you forget. It's easy to forget. He was there but he was such a force. You know linebacker in. We've had you know even Tommi notice. These are guys who it pisses me off. But it's like even this past where Tommy no biscuit snub from the hall of fame. It's like these guys were great at what they did. It just ties back to that thing. I mentioned earlier about the Falcons by where it's like. They're on the Falcons so it not. It's a knock against them In a lot of these guys like Tommy no miss might can like. I didn't watch them play. It's been more research afterwards but Jessie tuggle actually did watch play I think he's severely underrated the linebacker. Yeah I mean I. Unfortunately it's not just one it's like. I have a list of Falcons Who were severely underrated. A lot of them were in the past in. It's a shame because you know if you WanNa underrate Matt Ryan. I think they'll be more appreciation when he's gone anyways. Because of just grady was for the franchise but it makes me sad to think of these guys like Jessie Tuggle Tommy Notice. Might Ken Hell I mean I know. Quant humphries in the hall of fame but Unfortunately this dude had ninety four and a half sacks is a falcon but unfortunately the. Nfl did not count sacks entitled the year after he retired he with the Eagles for two years and so Abraham John Abraham who's phenomenal not taking anything away from him but he gets credit as being the lead sack even though it's caught humphry but he's in the hall of fame so he doesn't have to worry about being underrated. But you know but there's a long list of guys like like you mentioned Mike and Thomas and stuff were underrated and if they had you know a steelers logo on their helmets. They would've already been in fame. Tom was on the I. Believe the nineteen sixties. Nfl decade team and not in the hall of fame even though like Dick Buck his But you look up the linebackers I guarantee you all of but maybe one is in the hall of fame. Aside notice it's it's a travesty really I know like even you can look at like billy white shoes. Johnson was Part one of the all decade teams and he was like one of them. He's like the only dude who's not in the hall of fame like. Yeah so my my underrated. Nece I guess comes from the bias of conspire all right. Flip side of that equation. Who is in your your mind when the most overrated? Where'd fans maybe got behind this player in a way that you didn't completely understand Ooh Cautioned I'm prepared to duck because the tomatoes are gonna be thrown at me. Ha Like I was a fan of Michael Vick right like throughout my childhood. You know he was the talk of the town like he explosive But like in Hindsight. It's like he didn't play that long in. Atlanta obviously He never threw for. I think more than twenty touchdowns I know he ran you know. Obviously he was running as much as he was passing. But you know stuff like that. It's like I didn't even win win. A whole like we went to the NFC championship in lost to the was at the eagles and that was like for this. You know he went in you know incredible talent I think he him like Dion Sanders impact came more from their prestige in like off of the field. Like giving a talking point to the Falcons Dion. Sanders had to go win super bowls elsewhere. But like he brought a notice to the city of Atlanta. You know what I mean like the same thing whereas like their impact was more off field strictly as a player. I mean I would say it's overrate he's overrated but I don't know I mean there's probably a lot of people who disagree with me on that but You know athletic. Of course there no debating it and like that but is he like one of you know. Some people say veteran Matt Ryan at quarterback like No. It's not even close a belief Critters actually chose my. I think it was James said Mike Vick as well. So you're you're not alone in that. I want to make it clear like it's not that I don't think he was a good player. It's just you know I wouldn't personally bill the statute for him. That's what I'm saying like you gotTa be here for like look at Ryan insecurities been here. How long he's been with the Falcons. Yeah we went to Bolton and great but like that success long-term vic brought more of a socially impact. We're you know all of a sudden. You're getting Monday night. Football Games in you know everybody wants to talk about the Falcons. 'cause the Nike commercials and stuff like that. But so I'm just speaking strictly as a player hundred percent all right. The most gratifying win for the Falcons. Since you've been watching them I mean it's gotta be the packers in the NFC championship a few years ago. And obviously that's probably because it's more recent but I have never felt more What correct where it is like I could ran through a brick wall. I would've been knocked out but I would have tried more like cocky confidence like we were. It wasn't like we defeated them. You know we beat the hell out of from it was. It's one of those feelings where I'm scared. I'm never going to get it back. Like even if the Falcons do you know they become great again like we didn't know in that moment maybe we did. But we didn't really want to cherish because we were too amped up on the success but those were the greatest times like that feeling even before that playing the seahawks. You could say like. That's one one. Am One be quick even the back of it sometimes in all it like I get sad. I'll just watch the highlights on Youtube and it's like when Julio is getting pass interference in stiff arms at dude and just takes off like he's running a damn you track me. It's like caused elect. Bring me back. Please I'm getting choked up just thinking about it was it was remarkable. It felt like finally the years of you know being upset over this team feeling crossfield like they're personally out to get you like doing dumb stuff. it's being rewarded in. You know. We obviously didn't know what was to come. But at that moment it was easily the best feeling in the world you know in this also ties back to earlier. What I was saying about being a falcons fan if you live in Atlanta. It's probably a little different because there are obviously more fans there but you know like in my family around my friends. I'm the only Falcons Fan. They know because you know it's a rare thing to falcons fan Especially outside of Lena. You're getting all these texts and Oman. Everybody's watching it's the NFL it's the NFC championship game. Like there was only two games. That we You know it was. It was a great feeling. You know getting congrats and stuff from people you feel like you were a part of the team you know exactly so. I wonder what your next questions Shirley. That's the end right. Oh no because part of being a falcons fan is suffering and a sub to ask you because many of us at the Falcon Hollick came close to retiring after this particular game How hard did the super bowl loss hit you personally and it? Will you look back on it? Who Do you blame? Do you blame anybody to blame. Sean Hannity Blame Freeman a what does that. What does that game quakes? You okay first off. How hard did hit me I cried like real tears like somebody passed away in. I'm kind of ashamed of it because it's like one of those things where it's it is just a game. But when you live being a falcons fan you know being a football fan in general Especially for a team. That's not had a lot of success like this is your you know. We're in the off season right now. And we're constantly talking about the falcons. Served in football. Played Falcons football played months in. It's all we can never talk about so you know in just the build up. I think the thing that hit me. The hardest was During halftime you know having family and stuff like Oh man good job. You're you're GonNa win and you know all this stuff in I. I live like my mom. For example I remember like it was yesterday saying. Oh you know you guys are doing great. You've got this in. I told her I'm like it's not over yet. You know trying to slow people like I was excited at halftime I was. I was more excited than I was at the beginning of the game. But I wasn't like parading around saying yeah. We got the Super Bowl. I can't wait to go to Disneyworld. You know because obviously I live in Florida so I would've been there but I wasn't doing that sort of stuff. I was like Willett slowdown. I've seen this team. They have this thing where they do. Love to let people get back into games. You know and sure enough. It did end up happening in. Just remember bawling my eyes out. 'cause. It literally hurt Yeah so what was the second part part because that was enough. Who Do I blame going? I mean I guess it has to start at the top Dan. Quinn 'cause I would have been running down the chain again. Like what the Hell Are you doing? Run the Freedom Ball I mean we all go down that the sequence of plays where Julio had that the greatest catch in that game like we'll be overshadowed by elements. Lucky ask fumbling of the ball. That happened to go into his arms. But that I mean I can see that play in my head just by thinking about it It remarkable that play summed up. Julio Jones's in Matt Ryan Trust in Julio Jones because he probably shouldn't have thrown that ball and Julia probably shouldn't came down with that ball but they did that have been a statue in Atlanta. And I think that's the worst part is it'll always be forgotten but it's it has to be in obviously we're biased. Perhaps be one of the catches. Plays whatever you WANNA call in. Nfl history are in Super Bowl. History Yeah so anyway. Do I blame. I mean I guess Dan I don't know I I don't really put a whole lot of blame. Look back at it because it's pointless at this point we were. We were one of the best teams scoring wise in. Nfl history So it's hard to be like. Hey you know call. She hit him with the hill. Like he's a big reason. Obviously why we were there to begin with so I don't I try. I know it's a boring answer by. Try Not to blame anybody just because you know in that moment like I don't remember it'd be different if I was stopped back and we'll say me and I was screaming at the TV. Why don't you guys run the ball? But I wasn't I was like you're a Julio they they could have run the ball obviously in hindsight. But I'm not GonNa Bash anybody. I hear last question to wrap this all up looking ahead your thoughts on the current regime Within the Atlanta Falcons that starts at the very top. You Know Arthur blank all the way down to the janitor in whether your hopes for the twenty twenty season. Yeah so I mean I love Arthur blank. it's just. I think we've been blessed to have a Greek owner. You know there's a lot of bad owners out there in. Yeah maybe sometimes. He's more recently been putting his thoughts out there more than he probably should but at the same time. I think it shows that he cares. Yeah he owns this team but he wants to win I mean I can't imagine you know. I heard obviously but imagine how he must have felt after that super bowl like we saw him in the boosts dancing because the Patriots fans huge. Show the clip of it. Like this dude was excited. You saw that energy After the NFC championship. So I mean I think the world of Arthur Blank Goff in track. I should have mentioned this earlier but One of my greatest moments and I I know that was a question but one of my greatest moments in two thousand eight when we got Matt Ryan First thing I did I bought a Matt Ryan Jersey in I went to the preseason game in Jacksonville which was officially his first like NFL game. It was preseason though After the game me and my dad or like stand around In the stands taking pictures and I'll have D. W. Put this into the article too. So you can see it if you want But Arthur blank and like his entourage start walking across the field and he sees like my Matt Ryan Jersey comes over In you know he asked. I kind of blinked. Because I was like oh I didn't mean to make a pun. I spaced out. I'll say because I mean I was shocked. I was you know I was a teenager. Like this was amazing. The owners coming up to talk to me You know he was just like Oh. How'd you like art young quarterback and I have no idea what I said? I probably said he's great. Whatever he ended up signing Matt Ryan Jersey in ever since that moment. I've just thought the World Arthur blank and then you see like the charities stuff he's doing more recently Yet so that start the top blank I think the world of him Dmitrov that would take me hours to just talk about so. I'm just going to say it is what it is Ali reload. Yeah Dan Quinn. I like him. I wish the best form. I don't think anything negative about him but I do want to win. In if he's not he's not I'm hopeful I know we have. The most difficult schedule came out recently. Most difficult schedule based on two thousand nineteen opponents by like like I said On the phone colleague Dot Com in our roundtable article. You WanNa be the best. She got beat. The best like we definitely will be facing the best. You know playing the packers saints twice. Lord knows what's going to happen with Tampa Bay but for some reason what they have on. Paper transitions to the field. You know that's going to be tough. That's I think we played them twice in the last three weeks. And that's your bread and butter games where you're trying to make the playoffs In I believe the chiefs are week. Sixteen like that's insanely man. We have a talented roster. So I think that's the biggest Thing TO BE OPTIMISTIC. Avowed his yeah. We're playing some tough people but we have some tough people to I love the draft. wasn't huge on. Terrell early but You know faith in some of these voices. I trust like Eric Robinson Kevin Night. Obviously every day they know they're talking about you re read their content on Dot Com. They'll give you some more optimism What actually happens you know will will let that play out on. Its own but Davidson Hennessy like I love that there you know the Hennessy pick was more looking towards the future. But we do have some guys. You Know Matt Ryan's getting older Julio's getting older Alex Mack. This is probably last season. I don't think anybody's GonNa think that's a crazy thing to say Our defense is better So I'm optimistic in. That's a scary thing. To be a falcons fan but would it be a fan if you didn't go into the season expecting a super bowl at the end. Because what's the point of being a fan exactly? Yeah and that is the roller coaster ride of any Atlanta Falcons fan over the past decade two decades three decades to pick so Evan we've gotten to know you much better here on this podcast. I'm not sure if that's a good thing a bad thing. But it's a great thing so one you remind our listeners where they can find you and what you've gone. Yeah so you can find me on twitter at Edinburgh in you know like I said earlier. I'll talk to you about anything I do like to do. A lot of fantasy football Which I you know Humble Brag but I'm pretty decent so if you ever need advice on that I do have you know fantasy articles one of them. I think comes out Friday Which is like a cre- training camp rankings list I do have currently out some more. A undrafted free agent content Like mikey Daniel Dying on that Hill. I think he's GonNa make the roster call my shot Zone read stuff like that. And then you know largely just stay tuned to the alcoholic Podcasts IN ARTICLES WAY YOU KNOW. 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Falcons hire Arthur Smith as new head coach

The Falcoholic

19:51 min | 8 months ago

Falcons hire Arthur Smith as new head coach

"Support for this episode comes from ziprecruiter. A new year means new. Hires but finding the right fit for your business comes with a unique set of challenges challenges. The ziprecruiter can help you. Conquer ziprecruiter dot com slash. Vox makes it easy for you to find the perfect candidates for your open jobs with one. Click posting the hundreds of jobsites active. Recruitment and more you can try ziprecruiter for free at ziprecruiter dot com slash box. That's ziprecruiter dot com slash. V o x ziprecruiter. The smartest way to hire this is the falcons podcast. official podcast. the falcons on the espy nation. Podcasts david walker and we have some breaking news on the podcast today. The atlanta falcons have a new gm and a new head coach here to talk about this into a quick analysis of the two guys coming into the organization. I've got to the writers from the alcoholic. i got month thanks for being here. of course. Happy to beer and evan burchfield. thanks for joining. Thanks for having me so The higher of course the big name that fans are thankful is finally hit. Is arthur smith the offensive coordinator from tennessee. Titans for the past two years. He's been with tennessee. Actually for quite a while and has been in multiple roles with that organization but has been the offensive coordinator of that top ranked past two years. The one with derrick henry so i just real quick i want to get your guys thoughts odd none. I'll start with you whether your thoughts on. Arthur smith is new head coach. Love it Going into this season throughout the entire Nfl season there. Were three guys who. I had a specific i out of four as potential coach. Three offensive coordinators. Those guys were arab. The enemy brian doble and arthur smith. I'm thrilled that. We managed to secure one of their services. Apparently arthur smith was absolutely killing in those interviews. this go around You know he's fantastic. Just have to look no further than what he did with ryan tannehill to show his credentials as you know all offensive genius more or less tannehill in twenty nineteen led the entire nfl and passer rating. You led the league in yards per attempt in twenty twenty the accounted for forty one total touchdowns who was top five in passer rating. And this is someone who was considered a big time bust with the miami. Dolphins came to tennessee revived his entire career. I cannot wait to see what he does with the former. Mvp matt ryan. Who still playing some really good football in a great play action heavy scheme. You know he's someone who is one of the best red zone playcallers the nfl. No that's not just derrick henry. The titans were top two in red zone efficiency. There were number one last year number two this year in total red zone efficiency. The falcons were bottom ten both seasons Cutter and going back before. Arthur smith in twenty eighteen Wild derrick henry was still the number one running back in tennessee. They were twenty-third. Before arthur smith. Red zone efficiency so no. Don't give me this. Bs that all the only reason they were good in the red zone is because derrick henry was just breaking eleven tackles single trip. Yeah we heard a lot of that talk on twitter. I put out a tweet this morning. After some of the initial news came out that it looked like the falcons were gonna move forward with arthur smith. Here's the reality with with derrick henry in the three years before arthur smith Took over two thousand sixteen through two thousand eighteen. Henry averaged forty nine yards per game. He averaged four point five yards per carry and the most yards this season which was his third league Was one thousand fifty nine in his two years. Under arthur smith. He averaged one hundred. Fourteen point seven yards per game. Five point two five yards per carry and he had his two thousand yard rushing season. This year i feel like people forget. Derrick henry really was his most impressive. Self under arthur smith. As you mentioned obviously ryan tannehill was a big part of that. We do have someone else on the podcast. Dave hoping it's you or else someone has invaded our podcast here at the last second dave yes. He is here Dave show with your thoughts on the new head. Coach for the falcons. Yeah he wasn't My first choice but it surprising to me in a way but not surprising. Also because you know we've all been falcons fans for a long time The reception is so chilly from some so many people. I think my biggest concern is one of the reports that we saw that he might not be calling plays in atlanta. I think that's one of his chief strengths. And what he did so well for the titans. But if you look at why. The falcons are making this higher. This is a guy who his offenses are. Brilliant in the red zone their well-balanced he clearly knows how to tailor. His offense to the strengths of this personnel. You know he did a great job. Getting ryan tannehill from being. You know a pretty decent quarterback in miami but a frustrating one into a really efficient one with tennessee. So i you know. I wouldn't wanna see him the keys to anybody necessarily unless he's got a really strong candidate in mind there but i think if you look at his track record even though it's only a couple of years long it's it's very encouraging in terms of the type of offense that he's able to run and how he's able to detailer so i'm excited about it from that perspective. I think there are so many questions that we just can't answer right now about. Who's going to hire to run the defense. What is his staff gonna look like. What kind of personnel is he going to be handed to work with. Knowing that the falcons definitely need a new feature back that they probably need some help on the interior of the offensive line. So with all that in mind you know the hot takes right off the bat the necessary we all gotta give him. But i definitely am gonna wait a little bit To see if you know it's more than just the the positive initial reaction to what he can and should be able to do. On offense with the falcons but certainly that's something to be excited about. I think after a couple years cutter were already for something new. Two years of dirk cutter will prepare you for things. It seems Evan what are your thoughts. On arthur smith frontal beginning. He was always the one i was really hoping for. I think when if you're looking for win now the way. The titans offense compared to the falcons current offense is pretty identical. Except i think the falcons one is slightly more talented matt ryan in ryan tannehill if you wanna compare They're somewhat similar. Quarterbacks except for matt ryan has more experience. I believe still even better quarterback obviously the elephant in the room. There's no real running back that compares dare tendering not that there is anywhere else that might be something. They address in his new offense But like aj brown. Julio jones very similar obviously julio jones went healthy is as much better Same with coordinator. Jason calvin ridley counter at least just a better. Corey davis so. I think there's a lot that can translate there. I found it interesting that in. I was kinda speculating during the hiring process but i noticed throughout his career with the exception of light the washington football team He's really stayed close to tennessee because he was born in memphis tennessee. The he played at unc. Which borders tennessee. was a defensive quality assistant for washington in. He went to ole miss as defensive intern in that. He's been with the titans everson. So now he'll go to atlanta which still technically borders tennessee Seinfeld might give him like. I don't know him personally or anything. But i find it odd that he really stays really close to tennessee in. Continue doing that now in atlanta. But i'm excited. I thought overall job radars or smith. I mean those were too. Great options are there smith. I think gave them far more. Nfl experience because he's been with the titans for ten years Bobby cited so your business has gone through a lot. This year pivots restructuring. Maybe even downsizing you've got enough challenges when it comes to running your business. Hiring shouldn't be one of them when you go to ziprecruiter dot com slash. Vox you're one step closer to crossing find the perfect new. Hire off your new your to do list ziprecruiter help managers like you post a hundreds of jobs sites with one click and makes finding the perfect match for your open role. 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You can do any of it or all of it. You'll get flexible. Features that fit your business with a single integration. You even get revenue optimization and customer insights all in one solution. Agian built their platform to help businesses like yours from day. One visit agian dot com slash fox to learn more. That's a d. y. e. n. dot com slash box. Yeah it it's interesting. You mentioned the name joe brady. I actually wrote earlier this week about the fact that the falcons that make a bold move in those were the two names actually brought up article other. I think there are others that we listed as well. Dave we had heard rumblings that brady early on Looks like a a very strong candidate. I think especially with the link to no Through jonathan jones is also expected to be the falcons next general manager of the two between brady and arthur smith. You feel like smith is the safer but maybe the better of the two hires right. Now i do you know. It's no big secret that i wanted eric. Bana me to be the next head. Coach of the atlanta falcons obviously the last week or so has been sobering realized. That wasn't going to happen. But i definitely prefer smith to joe brady. I think the whole thing with joe brady that you would be asking yourself is a guy who has you know. Been an offensive assistant with the saints for two years. A guy who coordinated. Lsu's pass passing game for one year and then was an offense coordinator for carolina for one year. Is that guy ready to take over and run an nfl team. I mean the questions are fair for any candidate who hasn't done it. Before their for smith who only has those two years of coordinating experience but with brady felt like that was especially urging question because he has so little experience. He's so young he doesn't have those. Nfl connections built up. Even somebody like smith having been there through. What four head coaches in tennessee will have to draw for his staff so for me like brady was been swing for the fence type of guy but there's only so many you know sean mcvay as out there and i'm not sure at this point if he's that guy or not so looking at what smith did with that titans offense looking at the fact that he's he's got those connections a little bit more Is a little bit more established and that you know clearly. The new gm wanted him And that's why he's here. You know all of those are important. Factors to make whether he's gonna work out better than the last smith. Who is here considering that mike was really good coach. I don't know. But i think brady would have been the wrong. The wrong higher for this team. I think you are trying to navigate through tough patch in terms of the cap in terms of aging stars. You've got and well. That would have been a swing for the fences. I'm not sure it would have worked out the way people wanted it to. So you know failing getting my preferred candidate. I think smith a strong higher. You know people that we we know and trust and like are talking them up and we just have to hope they're correct in on that point. We know that he was considered a strong candidate by the lions the jets and the eagles as well as he was interviewing all those teams this week this morning. It was indicated that he turned down the second interview with the lions. After word broke that he was given an offer by the falcons looked like he got what he wanted. Out of atlanta. Odd non mike connors. He tweeted out just a few minutes ago at age thirty. Eight arthur smith is young as head. Coach atlanta falcons history any concerns about his age. We talk a little bit about his experience. Any concerns about the falcons hiring a coach. That is this young. While i i just wanted to say it's it's impossible that he was Coveted by so many teams. Because i was led to believe that the falcons were the worst head coach. Gmo coming into this off i don't know what that was all about. But you know here we are. I'm saying that the Don't believe all the national media reports that you read but Neither don't think that there's much of a concern. Just because he has the experience he's led a very very successful offense. These past two years the tennessee titans made it to the afc championship game in twenty. Nineteen on the back of the offense. On this past year arthur smith coordinated a top five overall offense. They were number three in total offense number four and scoring offense and mike variable is a good head coach. Mike ribble had nothing to do with this offense. This offense was arthur smith. Show mike vrabel as the defensive guy. He's a defensive minded head coach Whereas with joe brady. I would've had more concerns. Everyone makes the sean mcvay comparison. Because you know. They're both in their early thirties. Remember sean mcvay was in offense coordinator in washington for three seasons before he got opportunity to be other rams coach so i am happy that we went with a nice young head. Coach a young guy who isn't a retread You know we. We've had some issues with the retreads in the past. Dirk koetter namely The past couple of seasons to answer your question. I'm not concerned at all. Just because arthur smith has proven himself at the nfl level as a high level offense coordinator. Not just someone who is often coordinator but he was the head coach of that offense tennessee these past two years. There is a difference and the difference comes between like your offense of minded head coach for example If it wasn't offensive minded head coach like in kansas city. Eric beyond me was offense coordinator but andy. Reid had a lot to do with that offense whereas here like that offense. Like i said was is arthur. Smith's show so. I think he's proven himself. I think he deserves this opportunity He has worked toward it. I congratulate him. And this was the logical next. Step martha smith and i'm very happy. Got this opportunity to be a head coach. Yeah absolutely. I think i'm with you guys In that said you know. Dave i think. Put the appropriate context around this. We need to learn more about what the plans are. We need to see what the surrounding coaching staff is going to look like. Certainly the big question now is who the bring in as defensive coordinator Because obviously he is going to put his hands on offense but who is going to call the other side of the ball and that's going to obviously have a very big impact So a lot of questions still remain. Obviously we're still waiting for the signing of a new gm. Jerry fontenot from new orleans saints become official when it does become official will revisit that here on the podcast and of course at the Dot com one. Last thing on the bring up. Because i think this is for those who don't know much about what Arthur smith has done for the past two years diana rossini this morning Tweeted out and we included this article. today is the news broke In the past twenty seasons for offensive. Coordinator's smith's have ranked first in red zone efficiency. Second in yards per play in fourth in scoring. that's over the last twenty seasons that includes guys like be enemy with patrick mahomes adam gates who had peyton manning and drew brees with pete carmichael in in new orleans so know for those who are questioning. Whether arthur smith ran a truly ran. A offense in tennessee. I think there's zero doubt that he did now. The question will be. Can he duplicate that you know. What will the falcons with running game. The lack of a premiere running back without the a factor Tons of questions. Of course we're going to break it down in lies. Extensively at the falcons dot com over the coming weeks But would falcons do have a new head coach. Arthur smith former offense coordinator for the tennessee. Titans has been hired confirmed by the team Guys pay attention to the alcohol dot com. We're going to break this down. A lot as the falcons have give us plenty to talk about now in another offseason suit none till our listeners. Find you what you have gone off. You can find me on twitter at say which way and i'm doing some I'm continuing the offensive. Line reviews for the falcons on on the website. Excellent evan you can find me on twitter at edinburgh field in much everything on the alcoholic dot com check out of content stuff. Also let me plug on sunday. We're watching the Be there to were watching the saints. In buccaneers game On the dot com live so tune in for that. It's absolutely and dave. Yeah i'm here. I'm at the falco hollick on twitter. And you know we have a ton of arthur smith related stuff coming in the next couple of days Going to take a closer look at some of the coordinator candidates for his staff. Just based connections made over the years. Maybe a coupla dream candidates like wade phillips and you know as soon as we get the gm hiring settled will dive into that as well and try to figure out where this team is going. It's an exciting off season. But there's a lot of work ahead of both these guys so we'll say absolutely as regards in find me on twitter colleagues w updates on this podcast at pod and of course our articles. Daily at the falcons dot com definitely. Bookmark the site. We're going to have so much content coming guys It's gonna be exciting Super on each. Evan burchfield dave steve walker. Thank you to talk with you next time.

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The Falcoholic Live: How do the 49ers and Dolphins trades affect the Falcons at 4?

The Falcoholic

45:58 min | 6 months ago

The Falcoholic Live: How do the 49ers and Dolphins trades affect the Falcons at 4?

"Falco hall podcast listeners. Welcome to another. Episode of the falcons live. This is your host. Kevin night reminding you to check out. The show live on youtube on wednesday nights at eight ten pm. Eastern encourage you to check out our patron page where you can unlock exclusive perks including access to a patron. Qna and a. Session where we take falcons questions for about thirty minutes to an hour. That's a lot of fun. You could find that page at patriotair dot com slash alchoholic live. Thank you all for listening. And we hope you enjoy. Today's episode. Welcome to an impromptu episode of the alcohol like live. Today's topic talking about today's blockbuster. Nfl trades the four hundred dolphins jumping up and down respectively guys. Welcome to the falcon hollick. Live as you can see. We're off to a bang-up star. I know you guys got that little eric cameo at the beginning. I hope you enjoyed that. But also with us today. Other than eric robinson who is at underscore eric robinson on twitter is as you can see gina. Thomas at gina thomas gina. How are you doing. I am doing great. Thanks so much. Let me hop on today. Absolutely will anytime we can get on. Here is special occasion genus very busy in the evenings so when we have the rare chance for an afternoon show. It's it's a great opportunity so thanks for coming on also with us. Today will make fatten at will mcfadden on twitter will. How are you this afternoon. I'm good man. Frankly i'm blown away at how easy it was for all of us to get our names in our in our twitter handles. We must been using the platform pretty early on so good showing all of us. Remember exactly at very easy to remember handles here. And we're going to keep that streak going with edinburgh's field. Who is the. Evan burchfield on twitter. Evan how are you this afternoon. Great stuff happened so i'm excited. Yes things have happened. moves have been made. It's very exciting stuff. Guys so yeah. Let's let's jump right into it. You guys already know who island kevin. Afl call kevin on twitter. In case you forgot but yes major rose today a very exciting stuff. I don't know that any of us was really expecting to find out who would be trading up to three. It was basically an open question at this point. The dolphins had kind of made it very obvious that they wanted to get out of three. And if the falcons were making that they were interested in a quarterback or at least appearing to make that obvious so we now know the forty niners were the ones to make that aggressive move then. Dolphins subsequently made another aggressive move trading back into the top ten to six with the eagles. So we've got a whole new top ten now. Let me go to will i. 'cause he looks ready to go. We'll just an instant react. We got there's lots of talk about just an instant reaction to this crazy news today. I mean on the one hand. Now makes the falcons pick. I think a little bit more valuable because if if the expectation and it should be because the last time blast five times that a team has moved up to number three. They've taken a quarterback so that's not a move that you make especially in a draft such as this year where. It's clear that the quarterbacks are kind of the top tier representation of this class in the first round. So you're not making this moves. Go up and get a kyle pits. At least i don't think that you know is feasibly either. They felt they needed to for some reason. And that he's worth it and maybe they did. But i think it's quarterback and i think that that might make the choice easier for atlanta. It's going to be either. You like the guy that's on the board enough to take him or you don't and now you you sell it out to the highest bidder or you go in another direction but yeah it definitely impacts what atlanta will do their for. Because i think it's clear now that you're probably getting three quarterbacks off the board in the first three picks yeah i think that is almost a certainty now gene. I'll go to you next as our special guests. What are your thoughts on that. San francisco trade up to three in its implications for atlanta. Well as far as the niners aspect of it you know. They said that they wanna keep garoppolo. Garoppolo does have a no trade clause so he would have some control there over where he would land. But i don't really see them making that move unless kyle shanahan has decided that he wants a quarterback that high those top guys in the draft class. There's you know i mean. It's a very strong quarterback draft class at least with those top guys. So i really think that's what's going to happen. Which means. I think that we could see jimmy. Garoppolo traded back to patriots at some point So yeah. I think that it's going to get really interesting in san francisco. But as far as the falcons. I think that it does really opened things up for them to do whatever they want. Whatever whatever they think they can do the fourth round pick. That's going to have the most impact for the team. They can do it. If that's trading back and gathering pigs to get some more depth than to fill some other needs have knows they slog plenty of those two pills. So i think that that could be a good outcome or sticking at four and taking somebody like pets who i think with san francisco. Moving up should be there I could see that being a good move too. So i like the decisions on the dolphins and the niners and also i guess eagles in around her way. Yeah have have made things just a little bit. They it just gets tariff on everybody. With the falcons. A little more flexibility at number four and i think that with as many means this team has. I think that that's a good position to be ongoing draft. Yeah because for the falcons were not going to. We don't necessarily know who the forty niners targeting at three. Whoever it is they don't i assume they believe is going to get past the jets kind of an open secret. That the jets wants wilson. He just makes too much sense for them for a variety of reasons. Some of which we've only talked about the fact golic chat. But i think this is going to so the question then becomes you know the forty niners once just fields or trey lance and that is a big question because the we also don't know which of those cortex falcons have their eye on so eric. I'll go to you first on this one. Do you think this affects the falcons quarterback choice at four or. Do you think the falcons are basically expecting to get their guy. Still whoever that guy may be. I honestly feel that at this point. They'll just take whoever lands at four in from the pitcher that you guys painted. It looks like it's going to be either lance or fields. In based on their skill sets there are a lot of similarities between two. So if the falcons feel strongly about trae lance. I'm pretty sure they feel quite well about justin feels as well So and going back looking at niners trade. of course. you're looking at their quarterback pitcher and you know you're pretty much putting together an hey. They're coming up with quarterback but you can look at the picks that they sent originally. You don't send those type of pigs unless you're coming likely a didn't call. I mean they sent he twenty two. I and a twenty twenty three. I was quite obvious that they're coming up with quarterback is this depending on who I don't you guys may be able to test for this. But i don't recall hearing their contingent at the pro day for trey lance. I'm not sure if that was the case francisco. Yeah i don't remember don't remember So i don't. It is kind of hard to tell right now who is going to be the choice between the two. There isn't there's also mag jones. I don't believe you sir. Anchorman gif here. I don't believe you. Could you imagine to those two first. Two additional i jones for mack jones. That would be the yeah. I don't think so. I don't think so i'll say that. Yeah i mean that would be very spicy. They're gone i think. A lot of the leverage is in the falcons paper right now to man You know they can. They can pretty much call. Whatever shopping want as far as trade barriers ago So we'll we'll see but i. I felt strongly after the trade Like note. I'm pretty sure what was getting a lot of texts and phone calls. This phone's blowing up like evan. Birchfield's phone resume wall is in their court. Yep yeah and speaking of having burchfield. I did wanna get evans. Take on this as well. evan. I know we've talked about quite a bit of it but i mean in your mind. Do you think that the forty niners. I do have clarified based on reports the forty niners as far as i can tell we're not at trillions is pro day. They were at zach. Wilson's that i don't think justin feels as actually had his day but Do anything it doesn't it doesn't. It's just one data point of three thousand that we could consider. But yeah evan do you. Do you have any particular player. Mind that you think. The forty niners are targeting. Is it mac. Jones as we've posited on this. I hope so funding but i find it interesting i know will saw but adam schefter tweeted out in a little while ago that the forty niners apparently talked with the dolphins in falcons bengals moving up Didn't talk to the jets. 'cause i guess the jets are pretty much locked in to probably wilson. So the falcons earn. Like i mean it's a tremendous spot because if guys air at forward like you just take him. But if he's not specially right now we're still a month out I don't think teams probably get as desperate until right. You know draft week when they know like we gotta do something because you know. The board changes a lot. But if they're on the clock in it's like oh crap like let's move up you're gonna get more than than you would right now. I would imagine just because out of desperation in who knows how high matt jones is gonna go. But i mean that would be people would be talking about that for a while in a honestly that work out. Well for the falcons because then all of a sudden you probably do get to decide. Between you know the two quarterbacks you know you're not getting you can go ahead. Marc lawrence off. You're not getting him I mean sure. I asked a lot of beer. Yeah unless something happens wilson. Sounds like a lock it to just from everything being said but you know be smoke But then you know if for some reason fields was air lands missouri mean. That's a decision but at the same time. It's a good decision you you'll be able to make but if it does go what it kind of seems like where forty niners move up to three to take possibly fields If the falcons don't love lance some other teams going to because they're going to be desperate In that's when you collect the ransom. So why i want to piggyback off of that heaven because i saw you know obviously saw that schefter tweeted. I also saw one from earlier. And i think he can read between the lines. A little bit with both schefter tweets and the first one basically was that the forty niners said. They weren't moving up with one quarterback in mind that they sell three. They would have options to me. That kind of indicates that maybe around the league they do view this as a four quarterback top tier and that really. What kind of to eric's is there. A huge dropoff between trae lanston and justin fields. You know each has their pros and cons. Pros are pretty high in their concert. Things that people think they can kind of work with especially if you give them a year. Like the falcons or the forty niners could do than the other tweet where they looked at you. Know the bengals the falcons and the dolphins it may have been that they were getting word. That no atlanta's going to take one of those quarterbacks and they just wanted to be able to make the decision between fields and lands and so that's why they felt they had to go up to three but the fact that they were at least looking at four and five tells me. They may like four or five quarterbacks in this in this class to truly be top five picks so that was my thought process. When i saw that. I tweet in that second tweet. Is you know we may be choosing the fourth quarterback of it if that's what atlanta chooses to do. But they may not do you like. It's the fourth quarterback or that it would be the the one or the two in most years so that that's all i think is important to probably keep in mind as well. That's nestled been. I i thought about as well like the niners had to have some type of gauges for us. Who's going where this to make a move like this. So far out and and i felt that they kind of had an idea for as what direction the falcons were go because it seems from the surface that they're hopping avowals as what it seems like two more in and to piggyback off. What you're saying will they against league-wide. Everyone feels cuddle league. Why that is probably going to be four quarterbacks in the first four or five picks so the niners sitting at twelve. They're saying. Hey man we need to make make make a move now because we're also looking carolina. What was in the desha watson speech days look like network wonderful where we got them. See how aggressive. The broncos have been is off season and the niners are trying to pull the trigger Honestly right after bad or from up to bat for panthers. Owner dave chappelle. I don't but i go where you're coming from right right. Yeah i think he's going to the loo. I think it was tampa bay trae trevor. Second may loser of today's trade carolina. Absolutely they are as if he he may not be able to get watson and also looks like he may not be able to get a a top quarterback Because they flaunt knows that. I'm mean we should talk about. Like how ridiculous does the offer have to be from carolina for the falcons to consider only be really ridiculous. Consider i honestly do not. I don't even if they were offering to three picks. I don't know if i would consider it. I think i think actually after today. You're maybe less likely to do. Because you're already now getting one of these young quarterbacks in the nfc that wasn't the case twenty four hours ago then give a second quarterback unless you don't like this quarterback class but that would be kinda news to then give a second year rookie quarterback in division. That'd be pretty tough to do. I don't know if you now pull. Pull the trigger on trade with carolina unless it is like an absolute god's other offer and i don't think that's really going to be on the table no right because like this carolina wanna give that to atlanta either like so. Yeah right way not but you can force them to take jones. Yeah now the forty niners are taking mac john. Come on that's true. Yeah so i guess. Do not go to you with this next question. And it's basic. It's pretty simple like do you think that these traits obviously the one later probably doesn't but does the forty niners trade three. Does that really change things for the falcons. Do you think that really changes their their strategy going into this. Not necessarily i just think that it probably opens up their options. A little bit for And i think that if they're not going to be able to land the quarterback that they want that spot like i said they can go best player available to phila- need or like even a future need Or they can trade back and get more picks so i think if anything it it just created. More flexibility for the falcons which is definitely a good thing. Especially going into the first draft with arthur smith in terry fun. Yeah i agree because they were not interested in trading up. I seriously doubt they're interested in trading up and like we said i think it was basically just assumed that the dolphins would be trading out of three. So they're probably shaping their off-season around the assumption that quarterbacks go one two three. that's how i've been shaping. Every time. I get a mock draft for quarterbacks. Don't go onto three. I just restart it because i know quarterbacks are gonna go one two three so it's i think very unlikely that this really messes with their plans too much but their plans as far as we know we have no idea if they were hoping that just feels would fall. If they've had trae lance circled all along. I think if they're smart they probably have been circling trillions. Because i think he was always the most likely of the four to be there but we should also consider yet. Eric go ahead. I have a question. Actually you input from from all you guys. So listen to say the rumors true that the forty niners reached out to find. Known the falcons and the trade package that day sent to miami was offered to the falcons. You know reading between lines. It looks like the falcons thought that wasn't enough. What does that tell you guys going. Forward that hey knows probably looking for a bounty of picks or maybe he's looking for more twenty twenty one compensation these probably now looking for twenty twenty three first rounder. What does that tell you guys with with that. I think for me at least like it. Probably means that they are making teams. Make them move out of the fourth spot as opposed to just kind of jumping at an offer a pretty decent offer to get fixed because we also don't know if it went down this way if basically. They offered the falcons something close to that dolphins package and offer that to the dolphins. Both teams came back and said we need a little bit more and they just went to the dolphins i because why not go to three with kind of what you're willing to give up as opposed to four so the dolphins may have just kind of got that offer first. They said yes which allowed them to. Jump the falcons for. Just what the falcons were going to ask for as well so i mean it could have gone down like that. That's how these it's just whoever gets back. I sometimes yeah so. I don't know if that means anything. For necessarily the falcons that they turned down this offer because they have expert. I think i think they are going to have a benchmark for an offer that they will accept and probably stick to that that line because they don't need to move out four yeah. I also think that the miners were probably more willing to give up more to an afc team where it's not likely to really impact them the same way that it would with an end conference team. Yeah yeah do you believe that the trade package might have been a little scaled back with the niners. Compared to the dolphins it probably was a swap of affairs. Maybe twenty twenty two verse later round. Pick and then for the dolphins to twenty three. I was the kicker okay. Yeah i'll take that. Yeah i mean. I guess to me. The first trade domino to fall was always going to be. The dolphins like who the dolphins decided to trade down with. Always going to be the first move. Because i don't. I don't think any team has just trading to four with the dolphins still setting at three. Because i don't think you make a trade up without having a specific player in mind and we did you expect the niners to the move the first team to to make a hawk like this. I expected it to be the panthers. Because now the panthers are in a really bad spot because atlanta's not going to be willing to trade them for short of like a comically. Large offer is not realistic. So they're kind of sol. Right a don't really have a trade partner. Unless the falcons either aren't planning to take a quarterback or the or they can straight out to somebody else who doesn't take quarterback for some reason. It's not up to the falcons to make somebody take a quarterback at four but if somebody trade for kyle pits and give the falcons bounty. I guess that's fine too but i doubt it i don't i don't know if we're also. Should we totally discounting new york out of this entire situation. No no no. I mean because i think if you're the panthers you'd make godfather offer to new york and you exac wilson. I mean i think temper. It has made it very clear. He wants a young quarterback to build around in that. I think he would be willing to part with some key. Players in addition draft picks to send a new york. If new york would be willing to listen and go with sam darnold for years. So i don't think we should take that off off right. You have to look at their the makeup of their team. They technically they have a quarterback that they can go to railroad. They have a young talent. You know how a mistake they truly have been normal but also team right now. I mean they'd been aggressive this off season. Free agency you do. We really think they're going to turn down a bounty of picks to add to what already the momentum that they built this season. So yeah i mean i know wilson's probably the guy right now i wouldn't discount it in temper. Kodjo joe douglas and say hey. Let me sin and everything. It's on the table like i. I do agree that that is something that's on the table. That's who they would have to call if they wanted to make a trade at this point for one of those top four guys. So what's up. Yeah i see the tv going in the background. We got some going on. Yeah yeah yeah. We're going to go watch. Tv outside but Also apology anybody. Who just heard my husband yells. Shut in my dog's totally warranted. I understand that for sure. So do you want to get a tip here. Because it's relevant to our actual discussion. We got three card gum with a five dollars donation. Thank you brother. We appreciate your support. So he's asking. Hypothetically if the broncos lion somebody else in that range were to make the same trade offer to the falcons should they take it by the way. Hi gina. yes so. Whoever wants to take a swing at that one. 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They're covered has helped millions of people stay connected when they need it. Most learn more at comcast dot com slash network offered the same. Yeah the same or similar packages as what. I'll be online. That wouldn't entice me because i will. I need more because the dolphins only got an extra twenty twenty one pick big. They swapped the first and they got. What like a third. Isn't that gonna twenty twenty two entering three. I this for oh yeah. They didn't get much for this year. But those future sar the meat of that deal. I'm with eric. You need more for for twenty twenty one. I'm not waiting for twenty three to cash in these. You know these chips that's giving me. I won't but that's just the falcons specific situation. So that's you know if you're if you're offered the same deal. No i think that's all table but i don't think teams would offer atlanta the the same deal and could have been the breakdown in the trade talk right there as well funded said guys. We don't need the twenty two twenty three first round pick. We need another. We need a twenty eight twenty one. Second rounder like that and they may have just been. We can't get that to you. So and that's where the eagles come back and maybe it was a three way conversation where it's like. Here's what this team wants to do. Will you are like it. It's probably a lot more complicated. But i'm with eric. I think we need more for this year. Looking at the niners in their draft picks. Because i've due to draft similar sumba think the niners only have had a first second or third. I think they had like three or something like that though. They might have been kinda stingy as far as how much they wanted to give up. This year are probably like i want. I want your first second third guinea niners. You're probably like i don't i don't have much uni. Yeah i agree. I think the falcons are really looking for multiple day. Two picks this year because that is the of this draft class. You know my mock draft that iran on thursday thirds so can turn out of the tops it yet and i know you wanna quarterback and i gotta go outside at the top ten. I want more than just a third this year. You got yeah right. Yeah i mean. I think the starting point for any traits at the top ten is you know a future. I and a day two pick this year. That's the starting point so obviously the patriots could make that sort of deal work. The patriots have quite a few day two picks. They're probably the most likely option. Maybe you could say that. The broncos are also in play but yeah those are the teams. You're probably looking at as the ones most likely to try to jump up and make deal Not sure if they'll be able to meet lands demands but it's not like atlanta's just demanding this money Like demanding this compensation and like if if they stay at for they're going to be like pissed off like oh dang failed. Like i. think atlanta's legitimately interested in at four. So it's kind of like we can play hardball with these teams and really drive up the price. Because we're fine staying at for and if you're a good negotiator and you can really make. It seem believe that it does drive the price up. Because you're like look. I'm fine staying here. You need to convince me to leave as a lot better than like. I want to get out. So let's make a deal happen so we're kind of in that situation. I feel whether probably satisfied with lance. If for some reason lance wasn't there they're probably fine with pits to. We've talked about him a lot. And obviously they're going to have their choice of one of these top prospects either. A top weapon a top offensive lineman or quarterback that is the future so that that's pretty great situation to be in if you can't collect a king's ransom for four all right so we got another donation one dollar from show. You're thank you for your support. Man we appreciate you. He believes that whoever the forty niners wanted has already had his pro day. They made the deal. While watching wilson day in the jets. So he thinks it's probably lance or mack jones. Yeah probably lance mac. Jones's who they want. I still think atlanta picks peninsula or pits and hope that trade for darnold or second round quarterback. Yeah i mean you know. Let's hypoc macwoods foreigners. The mac jones the forty niners. Because if we hype it enough. Maybe it'll actually happened. But no i mean. Don't john lynch was blown away by his leadership and senior just went out into the universe. And it's forty tom right. Yeah but it's the intangibles tiles. Big on the intangibles is no i mean. Don't push talking to the pro days. Who's at which pro day. It doesn't matter like they're going to go off their tape. They're not going to go off. How well just goff. How well he throws it his pro day like that's not going to move the needle for them at all. So don't get too caught up on that i do. It does remind me of charles tweet from last year. Charles macdonald where he's like. Oh look i'm here at my pro day. I just ran a four three their scouts in the background. That have signed off on this. They're just out of frame. So that's that's kinda. How i feel about the as your everyone's we're going to four three nine but yeah that's kind of where we're at. It's i. I think it is going to be field split. It could be someone else. We'll see we'll see what happens at two as well weasel. How states soon. I can't remember. I don't think it's like a week from now maybe two weeks but it soon. All the protas are kind of wrapping up in the next couple of weeks. I think so somewhat soon. Let's see all right. We got another ten dollars. An issue from gary stafford. That's actually took. Thank you very much for that evan. Our data man in the back thing is yet quick. Google yes yeah. Let me get gary. Staffers donation here longtime viewer. Thank you gary for your support. He says i think we should trade back for more picks now and then possibly use to future. I trade up for quarterback in twenty two or twenty three that way we can win now possibly get that quarterback later. That's not the worst strategy. Gary i mean it really just like you're taking a risk because you don't know what it's gonna take to get up. And you don't know who the top quarterbacks are if they're gonna fit what it's kind of bird in the hand versus two birds in the bush type situation right like you don't if you have trae lance in hand at four he's worth more to you because you know he's there and you know what you've got potentially getting someone else in the future that you don't know who is going to be or how much it's going to cost. But i could see that scenario if they are planning to commit to matt ryan throughout the length of his remaining contract. You can't kevin yeah. I'm going to push back on that a little bit because to me it's like why so the picks that you're netting four the number four pick and moving back you're then going to probably give up even more value next year to move up to get a guy in a class. That's not considered even half as good as this one. When you're there at for you ought to give up anything right. Get your quarterback of the future who do not know picks nothing no no first rounders. Like that's your thing and then go from there. I don't i don't necessarily understand the picks the you're getting back. You're giving up even more value to get a quarterback in the future. This is so to me is both to sit here. And just assume that these guys are going to declare mini They haven't even said they're going to enter the draft yet. I mean i'm sure his own but what did they. Don't what sam. How does order. Sam how comes back. And he wants to senior year. Would've would've rattler gets hurt and he wants to come back like you too much risk to take him. And what if what if. There's only like one or two where the quarterback at the top like. You're not gonna train to the number one. Pick for a quarterback that in this year's draft might be late first rounder but because quarterback sir you know so hyped up might be a top five pick because of what the options are yet just because trae lands is listed as the fourth best quarterback in this draft does not mean that he is not a good quarterback and i think that's people get wrapped up in that a little bit where it's like we'll do. We have the fourth quarterback off the board. And it's like you know who is fourth like lamar. Jackson was fourth off the board on the mvp award like this. This stuff gets mixed up all the time with them. Going out of order. It's just a scouting and evaluation things. Some teams like certain things better. Some teams don't but lance has is right there with justin field. I think they're right there just below. And they're all really quarterbacks but what's unique especially this year that qb four is probably what a top eight player overall in this glass right. Yeah there's four quarterbacks in terms of total grades yeah so it's kind of wild. And that's why i do appreciate sites like the draft i work for instance like they do a numeric grading scale. So you can go back and look at the quarterback class in two thousand nine hundred and twenty eight since they've started twenty twenty and actually look and compare these prospects in a numeric grade level to see who qb four was in two thousand nineteen versus how trillions is now. And that grade is how you determine where they're worth drafting not something arbitrary like the fourth quarterback because you could have a draft class where there's like. Five elite offensive tackles and you take the fifth one by the end of the top. Ten and it's he's a pro bowl or for you. Just because he's the fifth offensive. Tackle doesn't mean that he's not worth a top ten pick. Just don't get too wrapped up in those kind of arbitrary distinctions of like. Oh he's not number one so therefore we can't take him should they take the number one punt or just because he's the number one punter in the top ten. That's where that logic will lead you eventually. If you don't put that in check a little bit so but speaking of number one players kyle pits. I know george. I don't think georgia's here. He's probably driving. But i want to mention kyle pit so you should. We have that conversation. Like is kyle pits. Play it for still you know. I just realized my my last hope was crushed today. I was hoping keep my fingers crossed. That miami says you know what others stayed credits and this is going to do. I hoping that but now they could get him at six was dead because now shout all. He's there for that draft night. Show is going to be great georgia's just going to be like you know making it rain. Bits is still there for here. We go here. We go and linking we're gonna have to talk about it but Yeah and if they do you'll have to talk about it on the show for the next decade and we'll have to give you know georgia's props for calling it sets like literally still. The season was going on. So that'll be fun. We'll enjoy it. But yeah i mean i think we've come to a consensus that the trades don't necessarily throw the falcons off too much. We haven't really discussed. i guess. The dolphins won that much. you know. there's someone tweet at me. what do you think about. The potential of the dolphins now armed with extra picks in six today. Do they want to make some sort of other trade today. Want to move up now to get another quarterback. The eagles now want to move up back into back to four now that they have extra picks to get their quarterback like any of these crazy scenarios. Sound good to you guys. What would you trade down in. Only the trade back. Yeah no. isn't that what the dolphins just it. I i know i. I'm just missed three only to treat back up into the top four. That doesn't make any sense you could use again. It's more rain us. Because the dolphins move. Yeah they they went six for the same reason. Why like i. Don't think the falcons move outside of the top. Fifteen is like you. You still want to get one of these guys and it six. They can still get kyle. Pitcher marches know pennies. Who will like. They'll get one of those guys at six but at twelve. Maybe you're sitting there being like the last guy. Just over sean slater just got picked. There's not really anybody else. We feel great about here so this to me just ensures them that they're going to get one of their guys that they want. They can help get help everywhere. That's why i think the falcons don't look probably outside of a certain range because we're then it almost feels like you've punted on the to really land in a elite guy for the sake of adding more guys in. I think the dolphins i think they're valuing one of those receivers yet not winter. Climb up to six. I think the writing on the wall with that they that high but essentially they were only. They traded down. Bruce slots got extra. I twenty twenty three in the third on. Which is i guess for them. As decent commerce compensation i i i would look at it like. I don't think that's enough but still that's what they want. But i think this. And i think it's worth mentioning that that third overall pick traded to the minors. They had actually gotten from the texans. The dolphins are still holding onto their their draft. Pick at eighteen. So yeah i mean they do then have the flexibility to make some more moves. I think when that one if they wanted to but yeah they're in a really good position. I think at six with another pack later on the i wasn't wasn't y'all think about the Eagles like how they came out of this 'cause they had six pick and then all of a sudden now they're twelve and I think people forget that miami picked at three wasn't khazei sucked. Like that was the houston. Texans yeah so if you're banking on. Oh well. Because i think they got From ron i think they got the eagles. Come away with miami's i next year. Miami's not a terrible team. Like if they're you know they could be like a late first round pick and they basting move bats spots again. I thought it was smart. Given you know the amount of attrition they saw this offseason You know. I thought it was smarter than the three back in and accumulation speaks not have to i for next year on the in still decent spot. It's well i thought it was. It was a good move for them. I think they're playing with house money like that wasn't even really a pick that was there is that they then turned into an extra first round. Pick and only really dropped down three spots and like to gina's point they still have their own first round picks of the dolphins are. They're some really smart things stacked or texans. They're just looking at my in. Who's taking taking their draft. Pick into this. You know tossing it around like it's a frisbee whatever age like. Spongebob squidward looking out the window. And it's like it's like spongebob and patrick. Like playing around outside. And it's like everybody else in the draft and the texans are like odd. Let's trade there's shit you know not that. I don't really have much sympathy for the texans organization. I do have sympathy for the texas fans. You folkestone deserve this. Texas always been nice. But it's just it's wild out there on these draft streets all right. It's gone forty minutes supposed to be a quick show. So i do want to give you guys an opportunity if you have any final notes you want to add before we close off today anything else you want to talk about with regards to these traits today. April twenty ninth needs to get here. I still got more draft. Picks to get off eric. It's it's too soon but yes it could be a two inch probably good. Yeah yeah. I actually need to just until the twenty ninth. I got a lot of work to do. Yeah we think about gina and the amount of work she has to pull together thirty. Two sites is very different than one. Yeah yeah we've been preparing for the since week. Two of the twenty twenty and so we've had plenty of time done won't work what that to thank you thank you. We appreciate that but Yeah anybody else. Final takes four. We co we sign off her tonight. I don't think we should be overlooking the forty niners in all i think they're they. They've been down the past you know latte if they'd been like roller coaster and a little bit because of injuries but they're still so much talent on this team and it kind of reminds me of when they were when they grabbed bosa number two even though they were pretty much a good team already they were just like a piece or two away and then injuries happened and they were counted in this position. Like the forty niners find their guy. They are going to be a very good team in the nfc. And i think that if there is kind of like a big picture take away the belsen problems. It's not only do. The falcons have tampa bay in their division. Worry now they've got san francisco. That could have a good young quarterback for the future. I mean like there's some power dynamics that are shifting in the nfc for sure yeah. Yeah for sure that is definitely something to monitor if they get the guy that they're really wanting out of trait which you'd think that they are pretty confident they're gonna get based on the amount of compensation they gave up all right so on that note. Speaking of will mcfadden and his excellent takes he is at the very easy to remember. We'll mcfadden on twitter. Will anything that you're working on anything. You want to plug no not really i mean it right about why. Kyle pits and tight. End is still on the table for atlanta at in this draft not just pits but tight end period. So eric please go brush up on on all the kyle pits conversation and check that one out Outside i may. I may change my twitter name. Excellent takes a really like that was good kevin. So that's where. I'll be for the next five minutes all right so good also with us. Jeannie thomas at gina thomas on twitter gina. Anything that you would like to play. I'm sure yeah definitely. 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The Falcoholic Live: Ep120 - Why do the Falcons keep blowing games?

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The Falcoholic Live: Ep120 - Why do the Falcons keep blowing games?

"Falco Hollick podcast listeners welcome to another episode of the Alcoholic Live now available in audio only format before we get to the show, just want to remind you that you can catch the alcoholic live live on Youtube at eight, ten, pm Eastern on Wednesday nights, and if you're interested, we also have a post game show that goes live right after the Games on Sunday or whatever date happens to be played. So we hope you enjoy this episode and we hope to see you on Youtube if you're available thank you and enjoy the show. Fellow Falcon Hollick's what is up welcome to episode one twenty of the Alcoholic live I'm of course, your host Kevin night at all Kevin on twitter joined by a whole host of guests this evening. First of all with US tonight odd on. At say which way on twitter on how are you doing, tonight? I'm doing well, Kevin were were just twenty four hours away from watching the Falcons in prime time with the entire country watching said we`ll So we'll be glorious. I'm sure. Moral matter something. Meteor vote vote for meteor tomorrow night but yeah. Yeah. So we do it again tomorrow that is something that we should be cognizant about today also tonight, Eric Robinson at underscore. Eric. Underscore Robinson on twitter Eric. How're you doing the slander? The Falcons for an hour and a half? Yeah. Oh. Yeah. That that's what that's what the people come for like we need like we know you guys have an expectation and we have to fulfill that expectation that that's how these things go. So Also with US Aaron Burchill at the very easy to remember Evan Burchfield on Twitter Evan how are we doing tonight? Doing Great random shoutout to Dylan Thomas for noticing gotTa Haircut. Oh. Yes. Nice very very. Nice. Very student Yes, these are these are good. We could tell that you're a real follower show. It's not. Anything else it's like we we know this is the second someone gets a haircut that that's something has changed. All right folks. Well, we got we got a lot to talk about tonight. There was actually some you know news today some topics obviously there was you know the Audio Clip of Matt Ryan Todd Gurley that we'll get to there's the buzz about. Potential. Tax Mckinley trade there's obviously the game the lions game in the fermented Todd Gurley blender. There's a lot. There's plenty of stuff to get to tonight obviously Thursday night football in there as well and. We should also be getting keen forty in here at some to so. Looking forward to that as well. just a reminder folks like the show we appreciate that helps other folks find it on Youtube and then if you subscribe, you can use our fancy subscriber shut out thing and I will I will read your name often let everybody else know that you've joined with the coalition of the Falcon Hawk live and know we we know you guys all of that stuff. So. First topic tonight. Let's let's take it back a little bit too week seven that lions game I know I tuned out. You know with the minute to go the Falcons for you know they were doing great So I assume everything went fine from their correct. Yes. Are Moving on moving on. We all we also happen. You know top scored at maybe the one time in football in a football game where you wouldn't want to score we also, of course, saw The defense gave up a huge drive in a minute and allowed to touch down and lost the game. That was not great. In any way either one of those things was not great so. Eric, I'm GonNa give you the first crack at. The ending of this game. This was a new way that they've lost. So we are we're innovators in that way. But what what is your takeaway? I know? You've had some strong opinions well. We. Okay. Don't don't put that on you. Yeah. No I know you've had some strong takes about the end of the game I wanNA give you. You know your opportunity to get those takes I'll be honest man I didn't care whether or not they score. A touchdown where people really didn't matter to me that point the game. Because They're still won't element is still needed to occur. And whether or not they scored with thirty seconds left or minute left the defense still needed to get a stop. Now, of course, there's some controversy. As far as Who are who score where they supported score with Nashville's who honestly better than matter to me the bigger the bigger elephant in the room is the fact that is defense cannot stop a soul to save their lives. And it's troubling in it's something that's been happening since. We can go back to the Mike Smith era. There's just something about this team in their defense at when a game is on the line in defense needs to get a stop. They can't get a stop to say their life now is, is you go back to the Detroit matchup? In The only warn that because of a because of a ten second runoff bank, right it's role in NFL history yet. They still allow the lines to get now to like the three Orion magazine is always something is defense when it comes to getting, it can do great in the first half they can stop you enforce them one at a goal line. In the first half, they can get three turnovers in the first half. But at the most important driving a game, they can't sack anybody they can't get it tackles for loss they can't get pass break up interception force humble nothing they can't do a damn thing in its it's. To meet at overshadows whether or not they were supposed to score it didn't really matter to me. Yeah. Yeah and. Thing was just kind of a disaster. We talked about it at length on the post game show obviously. So I WANNA give other folks a chance to get their takes I know odd non we talked about it at Great Evan got some words in there at the end but Donald go to you next you know just. Obviously echoing some of the stuff that Eric said. Just. How does this keep happening like what we do here? Well let's million dollar question. Isn't it? We were talking about before the show. The Atlanta Falcons are the first team in NFL history to. Statistically, have a ninety eight percent chance of winning a game and losing it three different times in a season, and it's only been six games. Like statistically, this happens literally every other game like every other game, they're making fools of themselves on national television. I am with Erica, on this one on yes. Todd Gurley is getting the brunt of the blame for scoring but. It's kind of up to the defense, not to let Detroit go eighty yards and like forty seconds. When they got the ball and it kind of looks like the defense was going to do the job when Isaiah Oliver made that really great tackle on. Yeah. Yeah. Consent to keep them from going out of bounds and they lost like fifteen seconds of time. But then somehow stafford just gets away downfield and you know gotTa give some Credit Matthew Stafford who now tied Matt Ryan for I think that seventh or eighth most fourth quarter comebacks in NFL history something crazy like that you. Like not you stafford is a very, very clutch quarterback who has come back on a lot of teams. There's still no excuse for that. I thought that the ten second runoff was going to save us again. Maybe. I was born in it. But was there not was was carry on Johnson not lent or or deandre was did not a running back like laying on the ground when they snapped the ball I mean. There was on that one play, but they were so preoccupied with determining whether it was a catcher not daily just wipe. The ten second to because of that factor because he was laying on the ground and he snap it. And then has to be like an illegal procedure or something like that. I'm just confused as to like they snapped it and then the roughs called. All right. Like let's go back a play and we're going to review I thought after snap the ball, you can't link review. It wasn't a reduced was generated from the lions that came from somewhere else but still like you said at play was executed. So it's over it's is null and void. So you went back. I mean either way it's mood because they they got the spike off either way where like after the review before the review, the last play Tj Hodkinson was just wide open the end zone and you're like. Is there any falcons fan who thought that they weren't going to get that completion for? Anybody Because it's it's like as soon as they got that spike off I was like all right games over. When they when May when when the Falcons scored I still in my mind and I even tweeted I said, Stanford's going to win the game. But I knew in the back of my mind like they still have to get a stop I guess it'd be can't. Get the the way of thinking from some people saying, Hey, the Austin should have managed clock a little bit better to not allow defense on the field. They can't do that every game. Okay. They can't play keep away every single game right? Is, Matt. Ryan Little Jones they bust they bust their behinds their entire career to keep this franchise in his organization elevated to wear where where it has been. Whatever success that has happened is because of these guys. So why do we need to total them? Hey, guys not only do you need to get the lead but you need the nurse delete also because we can't let millionaires eleven millionaires on a four. Up another like. Being paid for. So I get it I maybe. Management should have been a little bit better but at the same time, like when are we going to depend on his team they get a stop. In it's a shame because the defense I thought played a really good game overall before that final drive. Detroit had that touchdown. Touchdown came after of Berry Berry or be as Greek. A very weak putting it mildly roughing the passer call where AJ trial just like got blog for hitting the quarterback and like even Matthew Stafford wasn't expecting that call. He just got up and was ready to go to the sidelines and then another mental mistake, I? Think it was the twelve men on the field on I. Think they were putting it or they were going for it on fourth down but they weren't really going to go for it on fourth down and they caught on John's on the field when he wasn't supposed to be brand they. that. was five yards ended up getting a field goal on that dry. Google address. That was where Prater missed it yet. I mean either way like still inexcusable mental mistake by the defense but. I mean it was it was a pretty good game but all of that is overshadowed at the end of the day if you can't get done and this team just. Is maybe the worst in history I, get a closing out games and getting a done like. This this is maybe the most. Weeks, sports. It's like franchise I've ever seen in my life. This light shouldn't have to put that burden on Matt Ryan to say get the lead and keep the ball. So became let divas on the field I got like he's done enough over his career to say, Hey, man. Do him a favor in closed the game out and I always go back to to Seattle. SEATTLE. Is A team they're five to one, thousand, thirty second ranked defense in the League. They have the worst defense statistically in the league, but they're five and one because that defense made a plea against Minnesota Against Dallas against Miami, I guess New England Brad when honor for them to make a play on the game on a game of the game drive, they did it. So I don't WanNa hear let's keep them off the Field Russell, Wilson is not saying, let's keep these guys off the field Russell Wilson Hey guys I believe in you go out there and get it done. Yet and we're so I mean it s what it all comes down to your pay to stop other t not to go out there and meka Apple Portland one in the first quarter when is completely irrelevant and then when it's time, you know in the last drive of the game, you can't even sniff matthey staff went good God they were getting close to yeah. Yeah. I do want to take an opportunity to welcome in and forty K. forty, sixty, five on twitter keenan former falcons. Gart. Qian. How're you doing tonight man. Good good. What's up everybody doing man? All good. Just you know. The usual cited that second the latest collapse? Yeah. Yeah well. Runaround Alcoholic. What you guys don't know that you know Eric's water jugs actually ever cleared. Who Daddy is Great man elected reward. Maybe. I can't remember exactly it is in the chapel at pretty much every video we have so much shouting out the water jugs. So the water. Unofficial star of the pod. So thank you guys for that what but. Yeah. Keno we'd be getting into it. I'd like to get your thoughts on it too. I mean obviously it's really difficult situation to be in to ask you running back not to score, but from your perspective. What's your take on the Todd Gurley score there and what would Your thoughts be in that situation. Thoughts been the that lasts drive you know they should have played better situation football, you know You know that that four people have been talking about what needs to happen next on that last little drive what 'cause admitted some change left right? you know the head coach. Should've probably says something the Matt. Said some mad or mad being twelve your bed to the say something to all pro running back or all pro running backs of the known like a look here. Well. What don't score? Let's. Let's. Let's Neil it out and kicked the field goal at the end because at that point, they had no timeouts. You know we could have. Got It all the way down to where you know he knows. I'm not even GonNa Count, but we could have neil that ball out a couple of times senate it up in kicked instead what kicked a really easy. Field Goal Sorta than a than even extra point that they're kicking nowadays right they. Should have played better situation football. Now I get you know girlie you know he was saying that you know his momentum carried him into the end zone. You know because he was putting his head down and trying to get through there are but at the same time. We should know what the situation was. Right. overloaded. Oil So, we can kick the downfield. Missile Net. You Know League for people said, it says I'm in similar situation. One time when I was with Jacksonville Maurice Jones drew did. Something that was a similar situation and he busted through the line he couldn't score the touchdown. But instead of you know Pan Staff or whatever was he went ahead and took that knee at the one and it was born there I remember the fantasy community. And was. Work. What's happening in a man take that needs. So we can keep running o'clock and get on the body. Win Our WESTBROOK. Did it on Monday night football time when the? Car. He did it at the two yard where when it's funny you said that Keenan because those Clinton came out today on twitter. That it is audio clip and it Joe. Matt Ryan telling girls specifically do not score. So that was interesting. Okay. Hey, pro. Me It. Didn't matter I didn't care if they kick the field goal or got the test now didn't matter to me what for some people that did now as far as his momentum he broke that tackle at. About that man you. A. Conspiracy. Theory. Enough. Yards to say. Okay I'm GONNA take a knee right here from good like you. He broke that tackle about six or seven yards. A Todd Gurley isn't a contract year you know I'm sure. Yes. Contract for scores. Man. Applied been girlies, instincts. You know how he is. He's running back and licensee score the lighting originally. Is Natural instinct there. At that point time? No you know I wanna sit up and say that he was being selfish but at that time man. You know that the defense hasn't been holding to well, you know what? Matt Stafford capable of what he the thirty five would comeback come from behind victories or something like that. Like went to thirty six young young correct new numbers if. You Decide Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan Rotten. That right around. Okay. Like comb, Roy like that's stuff that's been talked about all week in order mean and. You get you get into them games man. Sometimes. It's not going to be easy. Sometimes, it's not gonna be perfect to where the defense aid y'all just go set them Mao y'all do. We do are sometimes that's why it's a team game time we gotta pick up on the other side of the ball and do money to do when somebody is lacking for that day. You know what I'm saying why me it was it was a bigger neil that defense did not close the game in the office for you really didn't matter to me. Even agree scored rent war slew had to turn around and say, Hey, guys. Europe, I need one stop. That's all. So that best would make that's what they're paid for by. Bordering the Galaxy Ballard to be that other night note, Mrs, it's. Rush Straight man because we've seen this. Sodas against us a Natty and twenty eight Teams Auditing New Orleans and twenty eighteen. Of course, the Super Bowl you know we can name off Elissa Games where the ball is in their hands as the defense, the eight they did their job quote Nacre even. In that situation, you gotta back your boil man. You got to get out there. What had been going well with like you said, is one stop we need one stop we need one one sack fumble we need one interception. Play Seattle swabbing one gathered made a play when it matter right. So yeah, and it's not like sales. Defenses is good like that defense is physically worse than the Falcons. So And let's be honest. It's not too much to ask your defense of don't let them go seventy five yards in the next fifty seconds and score all the way because you are up by six. It's not like. All right. They need a field goal and then you know I. It's always like rough when you have to defend against the bill. Like they had to. against. Dallas. After that debacle of non sidekick then it's like all right. You know they're probably GONNA go ring. Kicker Just keep them out of the end zone like. It's not that hard. It honestly feel he's roused. It'll do a damn thing is something we are sack or a password something remember the eagles game last year where they got the sack from Beasley got the SAG then like urge down, they just gave up the prayer that. You sitting there you're looking at it. You thinking like man, this is these are the type of plays that this defense cannot make for some reason. I. I remember the only one that Eagle game because I dropped out like clear. I'm like aggravate. As a fan at the end of the gauge, you'd be sitting there with you which which a booty hold found that. That's a good. I like it. Yeah. No, it's true though it's like Oh man I know it's coming. You know the It and that's unfortunately the story this game. And also like you know shut up to their kicker to Predator had to make forty eight yard extra point to win the game in the end. I thought at first I. Thought I thought it was going to be like a false start based on the motion. The Ref gave on the penalty. I was like Oh damn is going to be a fifty three yarder and avenue and I were mentioning on the post game show Keenan we were talking about him from a few weeks ago when he got cut by. And and your story, and now like look at them. Now you know teen years later still going strong Yup beating elegance. Yeah Matt Prater. Map prayer. Heard the slander from a couple of weeks ago. So You Watch this show yeah he heard US Talk Shit. Rick. Left after that went onto a great career. It to us. Even at that was a fifty three are extra point he probably still with hit it is. Of course, they give up fifty three are extra points. Again is the falcons they. Could he had a pretty good game other than that missed forty, four yarder. He was like nailed the forty nine yard or to forty nine. Fifty yarder Deangelis spiel volatile last. So I appreciated that. Yeah I mean it's obviously autograph situation to be ended like just a defense we need more for the defensive. That's clear like obviously we should be getting more from the offense to, but like they're. The office was mediocre in this game to put it kindly. But I mean, it's it. Defense is the reason they lost so I'd rather roure Kelly as a question about draft position. So Kelly asked around Kelly S for position. If you have the same record I thought it goes by strength of schedule. So why are we third and not second? So it is strength of schedule. So we are currently like five other teams or Four teams for. The fifth overall offer you know a pick between two and five essentially so Third reported. The facts are actually fourth at according to other. Yeah. So that's a strength of schedule. So yes, the giants are second with a five, four, six strength of schedule Jacksonville. Is third with the five nine and Atlanta is fourth five, six, three So they actually punish you for playing a harder schedule because it thinks that you're not as back. So you schedule and then don't perform well. They punish you for exactly 'cause they're like, Oh, well, you lost these good teams. You're probably not as bad as like the jets. Would Make the else last? Doesn't. It seem like they always ask the toughest schedule in the league every year. Yeah. They had the top of the league last year. Yeah. Yeah. I. Mean. That's that's what happened by winning that week seventeen game against Tampa Bay second play schedule. Instead of the third place schedule Yep you know you had to play Seattle and Minnesota to Right in Dallas? Now we would have. A second way. Okay. And Dallas or the teams we got and ahead we finished third we would have faced the rams who you know all they would probably be It probably and? I think third place was the. The football team were to play football team. Instead of the cowboys chase young would have had five and a half sacks. Yeah. It came off the bench and through. Secondhand when a game? No, I think. Backpack. Smith. Down Yeah? They're totally Alex Smith. You know renaissance is cool like I would have been. Okay with losing to Alex. Smith. In that light great storylines like that would have been like you know like palatable but instead we get this unfortunate and so we lost Nick Boles. To Nick foles. Same Nigga. Terrible US looked awful other than that. One game in the Balkans are just like. To be fair, he's wanted to some pretty business or he's played the Rams and bears the past couple of weeks. So I mean the the bucks get. So he's ran into some some really solid defense I think they'll be fine. But Eight doesn't quite look like himself. And a Nice segue into that the bears are apparently discussing. Now it's Matt Trade Yeah I I'm hearing. Differing reports on that like the ESPN oracle may have just been like speculating about potential traits like I don't know if there's a lot of. You know. Spoke there necessarily. But like that, that would be an obvious one because they cody white hairs hurt their technically in a position where they're highly competitive in the playoffs with that record, you know the offensive line is vital to them because they're trying to be this heavy team. So that that definitely is situation that makes sense to me the Alex Mack Trade. But what do you guys I've been clamoring for that trade probably? Since week three or four. So that's definitely something I'm interested in. But what you guys think about Alex Mack Trade I mean, are you worried at all about the offensive line with Hennessy and there? It's time to get him some usage. If he's GONNA learn at least, it'll be real game snaps that don't matter. Or? Get into that. Like it I think this would be a better trial period formed than waiting till next year, and then you know put him in like some preseason games or whatever. Yeah I agree with Evan like if we can get. Something like if we can somehow extract like a fifth rounder something for Alex. Mack he's not that you're gonNA resign like moving forward. That's what what you drafted. Matt Hennessy poor as his heir apparent. I definitely I definitely do that trade hard saying Vita Alex Mack who's been. Very valued member of the team a great center since twenty sixteen. But it this. This is the kind of stuff that you have to do when you're when you're one in six with the trade deadline coming up, right? Right. Yeah and it. It's unfortunate because I think we all like Alex Mack and he's the best free agent signing of Dimitrov's career. He's been tremendous addition to this line and you know I'd hate to see him go but it makes sense for a lot of reasons, right? for one. Alex Mack is expensive and trading him that frees up a lot of cap space which the team will desperately need next year particularly dislike nightmare scenario cap actually happens. He's one of the best contract year veterans on the team arguably the best. So therefore, he actually has valued to return a pick that's more than like a six rounder or something like I think it would be reasonable to ask for a fourth rounder for ox Mac. So There's a lot of reasons why it could make sense and then you also have like we were talking about Matt Hennessy is just sitting there and we need to know probably be nice to know if Matt Hennessy is the center of the future or if he's the new Peter Kann so like you'll be nice to get him in this season. Yes. Sorry. Sorry. For the Peter Com Slander Peter I'm sorry if you were just watching nothing apologize. Arable. League get a second for some new. They might get lucky and get a third of that will I'd sign me up without immediately. No question because you save a lot of money to. Hoping that. We can have a sending away party but yeah, I mean I. It's. Yeah go ahead. Go ahead on. I'll say I will say the offensive line has been a pleasant surprise for me this year and pass protection. Mike. I'd like to get some demons inside specifically with Lindstrom mcgarry of they're. If? They're putting the use some some of those lessons that you taught them over the course of the off-season because those guys like they definitely taken that next step and you know, I'm I know I'm sure that you you keep a close eye on on the way the offense of line performs now by stop more. So than than average fan. This is advertiser content. We now have two point three million people incarcerated in America, less than seven percent of them are incarcerated for violent crime. That's attorney Geoffrey Robinson Director of the ACLU Tron Center for Justice and Equality. His work inspired the making of who we are a podcast by Ben and Jerry's and produced by vox creative who we are a chronicle of racism in America is hosted by peabody award winning journalist. Carbel Wallace. Surely you knew this was a racist what does that mean for us today? The prison population in the United States has increased seven hundred percent since nineteen seventy. 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Do they thing you know they're young and they're hungry? You know you can. You can tell when you meet somebody just by the look in their eyes you know. How hungry they are you know it's a certain gleam. I don't can't explain it. You know it's SORTA like whenever somebody's getting ready to get into a fight. You got them looking yard. They got that looking at they trying to you. Know they try to beat the next dogs out there? So you know I'm just you know shout out to him. Am Proud of him. I'm happy that they're you know Gannett chemistry in they're going out and you know they are getting on the job experience in the NFL. Sunday man I'm I'm proud of him. Her shirt, the right side of the offensive line look solidify for the next decade like they were. There were some questions law going into your to especially with mcgarry who didn't have a fantastic rookie year I had the most sacks allowed among among tackles in the NFL last year but I think he's giving up something like one one one or two pressures seizing given up a sack. So like had you told me coming into the year that McGowan Lindstrom would take that next step out that the offensive line will be this good. Especially in pass protection I'd be like. Hull we're probably like five to at this point like you. We must be like a lot better, but you know it's it's definitely not the offensive line's fall for the team struggles this year they've been a very good of very pleasant surprise and no matter what moving forward having a strong offensive line is always valuable. No matter what no matter. If you have a veteran quarterback rookie quarterback a, you always WanNa have a strong line in it's it's really beneficial. The next general manager doesn't really have to address. Any of the positions on the line except for maybe left guard in the next three years if MATT NFC does out the center of the future. And you know even with that said, you know I thought James Carpenter has done a pretty decent job going forward. You know what? I'm saying I don't see how a lot of pressures or a coming his way. You know what I mean he's doing pretty nice over there. You know Know Jake Matthews had the one sack fumble last week. You know that Kinda gave. Them that all bag you know and when you know today's been playing for ninety, know I think it's a credit to all of them because they're the ones that are showing up every day going to work what helps those guys in the interior that they get to go against guys like really jared, you know I think that helps allaster getting to see him everything. Getting a getting that all pro work you know a something that Kinda helped me out my my years I used to go against Rod Coleman a former all pro virus everyday practice. You know what I mean and you get those reps and guys like that. Would you get into game? It's like it's slowed down a little bit because those guys are so good and moving so fast you know now, of course, you get somebody else who? All pro pro bowl or whatever you know. Yeah. You'RE GONNA. Have your hands full but it ain't it ain't. You know what I mean. Nervous about because you see that every day so South out to Automo- lamad especially Chris. And Kayla man, you know they just showing up to work every day with that they put that hard hat on man and they just try to grind it out be the best. They can be man I'm glad at the jump they took this year. So y'all think even next year man they should be. And I honestly I think it's like a bigger even bigger indictment of dirk cutters offense that we have these two young players playing at this very high level. We have the piece like James Carpenter isn't a liability this year and We're not. We're not finding success at least not. You know as much as we should given the town like if you have a top ten offensive line and pass protection, which is what they have and you have. All these weapons and you have Matt Ryan at quarterback and you have todd Gurley. WHO's like a top five running back statistically right now and you're scoring like the eighteenth most points per game like it's just that all of those those pieces should add up to more than than eighteenth and scoring like we have to be doing better than that and. You Know Matt Matt He's Some day matters number one in the League in passing on Youtube that just from being on your ass the whole time right Helping him to stay up writing get that ball out to the garage. Now of course, you know Julio Calvin, Hayden them though they're doing a great job catching the ball and you know doing what they can you know? Don't get that out there to him if somebody's not keeping the boys off his ass, right? and. It's. Yeah? I mean like for me against the lines in particular, it's like This is a defense that was allowing. Almost five yards per carry in the Falcons really struggle to run the ball against them to. That was one of the biggest takeaways I had, which is kind of inexplicable as to why you're struggling to such an extent against you know when the NFL's worst run defenses So. I just I don't really understand why there was so much trouble, and then in the last drive, it looked like girly was running just fine. Obviously at the end he was running really fine. To good. Yeah. But It's just confusing to me. The data's favorable matchup that wasn't taken advantage of until the end of the game. And you know the passing game wasn't as effective as it probably should have been against a an what was overmatched Detroit secondary and they were able to move ball but it was this is a this was a low. This was a low end of expectations game for the Falcons like we should expect more and that's my biggest critique is that. Would you have the some of your parts equaling out to less then you then you would expect that's a big problem in the NFL because you've got a team like Carolina for people who was widely projected to be one of the NFL's teams because the roster is so baron who was making it happen with scraps for the most part and they're telling on offense is better obviously. But especially, on defense, they're making this happened with scraps and the Falcons are over here making scraps out of you know an actual. Actual. Completed car they've dismantled it. So now it doesn't run right anymore like they tried to. I don't know a good car analogy but insert car part in the wrong car park place and now the car stopped running so. that. That's my biggest critique. To me that that's the title of the shows why the Falcons Games and like for me twenty twenty, the reason is because the offense is it hasn't been good enough. Hasn't been as good as it should be the defense has been a disaster. So That's the answer for twenty twenty, but it's not the answer for sense you know twenty, fifteen, two, thousand, sixteen with this regime and. Things have changed like a twenty seventeen. We had a good defense and twenty six hundred leagues, becks offense. So it doesn't seem to be consistent talented issue or big. It goes a little deeper than. I think. You know if if you look because we can all. We can also note that this is really been an issue for quite some time and we want to just take it as far as the beginning of the Dan winner. We can start there. I mean, you're talking about a team started off five and no doubt year, and then he had what my seven eight game discreet. So is. To me. I think it goes beyond the field to be quite honest with you. I, think that locker room has a unique mixture of players that just. May Not, have. That that gene that a lot of players pass. That that you know the Russell Wilson's have that Tom Brady Sav that you know. Mentality I think this is the locker room that has a collection of guys they're like. Are you, GonNa make a play. or You gonNA make a player. What about you? Somebody of play. Ob You want me to do. I honestly believe that's what it is I. Don't I. Don't think it's really a situation where you can look at it and say, Oh, man, you know this team doesn't they don't have enough talented to to close games they have enough talent to do so but I think is it's really there a lot of these players are missing something appear to the point where it's like. You don't you don't have seven eight or nine guys on the field and wants to say I need to make a place in my team. You have guys on the field that are like Manna, Houghton to make play. please. Please help me in. Our data maybe is beyond the physical what we see on the t television. Or mid honestly I mean you look at like a like foyer on that last play you can see it pretty obviously and all the replays that are out there like he is. Angry Lake he like looks over and sees Hopkinson wide open in some other defender kind of like trying to catch up with him and he just like I mean you could see him he like a slammed his helmet if he could. But he like, I, don't think he got it off his head he just. To Be, fair. It probably was his coverage but like look 'cause dion pass them off but that's neither here nor there yeah, that's either here and there, but it's like. Mad about it. Yeah. He was mad. These page. Clint. It. Wasn't that. He was probably areas. Are. Are. You not tired of being pissed off like I thought we were just. Falcons are pissed off again if. Not Biggest. Gurley said in the post game that he's pretty pissed off about this laws. It's like God Dang. Never leaving man, he's never gone. You'll never you'll never be away from us but. Yeah I. think that's what it is. Man. Honestly you go back to teams like New England or even Pittsburgh teams that has had longevity when it comes to winning. They just have a certain DNA. The ages know when it's time to win was doing they turn it on some teams, know how to do it. Some teams don't I think this locker room doesn't to do it in a navy a situation where they just have a collection of guys that are not necessarily I'm going to win this game. They have a collection of guys that are like man I hope we can get this a whole. We can make this place we win this game. It's unique about like I said some teams it. Steel. Habit the Patriots habit the packers added the seahawks have it. Well. I think also like playing not to move. And I think the Falcons like have to deal with this now because they built this reputation up so they're never gonna like this reputation is so baked into this France or it will take decades. To change this narrative is like people might not believe it. But like the fact that this reputation is now a part of this franchise forever or at least a very long time, it affects the players and it affects your opponent because your opponents overplay the falcons it don't matter if we're down twenty because they're going to blow it. So let's go. Home go twenty four and a half long guys we'll come back. Yeah. It's not the same for the steelers patriots or whatever. It's like Oh man. We might as well just pack it in and it gets the Falcons. It's like, Oh, well, they've blow three of these leads this year. So we're fi. The Games. Burton certain teams have that Switz-. I don't think the Falcons have switch and I don't think they'd have s which throughout the entire Dan air to be quite honest Mike Smith printing much or Mike Smith Yeah. Yeah, yeah and Yeah I mean Michael. Smith. Says that could be a lack of leadership on defense and it could be like, yeah, I mean that could be like we don't. I mean I think grady like tries to do his part, but he's not like a raw raw guy. Dion Joseph Kennedy will try to do their part again. None of those guys are really like the big. Vocal leaders like you know someone brought Ed Reed or like Troy Palmolive with those guys are these big vocal leaders. And I think when you when you do the owner steel analysis of it all you know it makes plenty of sense you know. Why why is it this team missile-defense? Why is it? They can't generate turnovers well, if you go back and look a lot of Scotto reports that a guy on Gaza defense allowing the didn't really have ball steals. We being quite honest with Isaiah Oliver was known to be you know to to pick off. His neither was really Ricardo out. So you just they drafted quite well over the years but they otley brought in a lot of players on defense that just don't necessarily know how to generate that game changing tunnel. Is We're I but I've seen it for. Wow be quite honest. Wanted a quiet guy big beasley him to be the leading backroom team. He was never at Clinton, but it's just. The expert recent from these players. Yeah. It's not. It's a hard question to answer to because it probably is a part is probably a mental thing. Maybe it is a specific player thing or lack of leadership, but those are. Things. You can really qualify you can't put a stat on it or put like x amount of cap space into an fix it like this is all. Stuff. That's kind of ephemeral and hard to gauge. So it's also hard to fix for that reason and you can't change it during the season. Now, this bird we have to develop over time. You you can't just go out next week just the panthers to say okay. I, got the close gene now like, yes no no, it's not aunt and if it was that easy, they would echo able to exercise that deem this week right because. They, put Minnesota way dominated from start to finish they nevertheless back in, and then they turned around and once again there you go. It happened again. So clearly, they haven't really gotten away from it as as sad as that is but Yeah guys a quick quick interlude here to remind you to please throw. So like if you don't mind that helps other folks on you to find the show, and if you're not already subscribe hit that subscribed by, you'll get notifications we go live and if you have specific questions type active alcohol in the chat, I'll try to get as many as I can, and if you have an especially burning question that you. WanNa make sure we answer you can always send a tipper donation and that will pop the question on the screen and I am contractually obligated to read it. So I will definitely reach question if you're kind of. TIPPETT's. But again, optional just if that's if you definitely want to your question, that's the best way otherwise, we'll. You know a lot of people putting questions. We're trying our best folks but yeah. The thing for me also is You know we talked about the defense and I think the defense is like the main problem with this team is the defense but I think the easier to nitpick part in terms of like things that we could fix. This season is the offense or because I, think if you made a couple of simple schematic changes, you could probably fixed offenses problems whereas on defense like maybe we could blitz more maybe we could play or cover to versus cover one. Or something like that. There might be some little tweaks but like at the end of the day, I don't think that's really GonNa make a huge difference in terms performance but with the offense, it's like maybe we could be not the worst team in the League at pre snap motion maybe we could be not the worst team in the league at running on second long maybe we could just run second thirteen ever again maybe that would help but Probably defensively as per. Let's go personnel. Office coordinator. Was that we trade an offensive coordinator I mean. That would be like the Brock osweiler trade like we'd have to send a pick to get someone to take their cut your hands or you should. But even even if we can train for like tash or something like that something, I, don't care about. Their cutter is the best tank commanders since George Patton in World War One like he is leading us to a top five draft pick with his way calls get. The. This is if if we want a top pick then you gotTA. Stick with Dirk Koetter. Doing Dirk and he's again over run the league. I don't understand like he is an awful play caller. I wouldn't he needs to leave the NFL period by his. I don't get it. Yeah, he wasn't very good in Tampa either like todd monk was the mastermind behind that often. Yeah. Yeah. A Step Stephan Stephen. Stephan Stephan. Thank you for describing. Appreciates you. But yeah, I. Mean. I don't understand the obsession with hiring falcons in Bucks cast-offs first of all, Mike Nolan, just got a job in. As defensive coordinator in the Year of our Lord Twenty Twenty. So like if we could start there, we see how turning out like you know no offense to Mike Dillon you sound like a nice guy who was here. But like I don't know why in the spectrum of like I should we should find a defensive coordinator to help our struggling defense. You would go for like a Falcons castoff defensive like maybe Falcons, castoff offense coordinator because Steve usually has good offenses but like the last time Dirk Koetter was defensive coordinator in two thousand fourteen the Falcons had literally the thirty second break defense so like. You know acknowledge my Mike Nolan saying yeah. That's a future falcons. Head coach Mike No Alien. That's just you know if you want full on chaos but. No. I don't I don't understand what it is like you know he he has a specific scheme has specific execution where he doesn't to me, he doesn't play to the strength of. No He's very predictable. And he is terrible at adjusting. I don't understand why coaches. Are So just. They don't WanNa they feel like their schemes won't work somehow some way just keep pressing at it. Like this this game changes on the fly and like you can't keep doing the same things over and over and over again is you have to change things up and he doesn't do it right and is cooperating because he has plenty of talent. This is this can be a tot tune top-five it definitely. Where his play calling is just doing by. Why is there? NO SPREE SNAP MOTION Whilst Belco Lawson Pre snap motion the NFL by the way avenue extended. One of the best receiver duos in the why are you not? Play why are you not calling plays or executing plays to to get these mismatches I will love to see Julio, lined up against another team linebacker 'cause he winning motion pre-snap, I would love to see weirdly lineup against the stone. He doesn't do it and I don't. I don't get it. This'll plumper. Yeah and like did. kindergarten. Say Pre snap motion you know from the coaches perspective that Defensively they pretty much. So you their hand, you know. Somebody they gotta still you a are we man are they as on whatever you know what I'm saying? And that's that's the point if you do that, it helps you out offense because it's Li-. Okay. Now, we can either run what's called or now we can check it right. You go back to the graphic that was posted today on twitter you go back to it I think. Nine of the top ten teams in a League that have high pre snap motion rates. They're all like four wins better yet. down. Because it's like it's it's something that like for exactly the reasons Keenan said but even if you don't do anything particularly creatively with the player you moved, it tells your quarterback coverage. He's going to face or at least clues him in to to what might be going on in the secondary like there's just not really a good reason not to do it like. Sh- Like, there's just not a good reason not to do it. I don't understand why you don't the the rams do it literally every single run play they guess motion Robert, Woods they set them in motion because it gives you the threat of giving him the end around and they give woods like three or four hundred dollars a game. And he'll like motion in even if they handed off to the running back, the defence still has to be kept honest in trying to check Robert Woods, just in case he gets out and around. So he doesn't bust that big play and that just gives more of an advantage to their running back or as a falcons just go the half power up the middle every single time as if like me and mad and when I was like twelve years old. Walsum Brevard a lot too because Baltimore has that unique office together where they know they may have two running backs in the backfield a lot way. You may sneak you know Hollywood Brown going motion a lot and s very distracting within already the focus on the mar in Ingram and you see this guy going I don I don't It gives everybody on the defense is like. You know what? I mean votes the you know we lock it on our key. Now they see somebody moving slide. Somebody's GONNA screw up pretty much right. World stories or yeah and you know we would see it like was Shannon and she didn't and was a total expert because he would do stuff like. All right. He's GonNa Motion Julio into the slot and then motion out you know. Patrick Demarco Patrick Demarco by the way motion out demarco out wide, and then the corner has you know if it's mainly the core has to then go run out to cover DeMarco on the outside and the linebacker comes in to cover Julio Jones. We saw like just. Easy money we will Shannon in his super bowl performance is one thing but the guy is an office gene. Yes. Easy money like. You're with Garoppolo. Liked led a Garoppolo lead team to the Super Bowl last. You in depot. That's it. Honestly and all that different running backs who keep getting her. They keep getting like they have drew Michael Hasty of. Fantasy God this week I'm sure just because every started running back for the forty niners seems to get a hundred yards touch. Yeah. It's just like and who they just beat. Patriot. Dumped on like thirty or some I. think that was the worst home loss of jokes like career dealing. Ring beat the rams a week before that, Yep. Yeah. So I mean. Like. None of these are this is what I'm getting like. None of us are difficult fixes. None of these are things that require a major schematic change. They're just like obvious things that good offensive coordinator do, and the fact that Dirk Cutter is not doing them I think tells us a lot. To say you. Know it's going to be so sad when he becomes the head coach going to Nuxie. Yes. Hey, the Falcons I in passing our that's tradition we want to continue here in Atlanta. So you know just ignore the fact that their eighteenth and yards per attempt just ignore that fact you know I think it was old was troubling about her all honestly is the fact that you see you see Matt Ryan Lease League in passing yards. Sequel Rhythms. CR's we still don't. From our viewpoint even have a competent play call magic. If they did girlies like towards the there's been by weeks. He's like second in rushing or something. Yeah. Yeah. He's tied for first in rushing touchdowns with Henry Cook Imagine. If they had an office coordinator that is able to consistently call it kind of Wisconsin is offense. This'll be the NFL's never will. You can't even like blame the off offensive line anymore because before it's like, okay maybe like the align is just leaking too much. There's too much pressure on we talked to though line is more than solid this season their top ten or like a top ten unit in the NFL this year and the it goes fully on coaching and you know I'm looking forward to. Looking forward to seeing what a young innovative offense of mine can do with this team. Next season because you know Ryan sold going to be in his prime will yo still going to be in his prime now hopefully. Everyone can stay as healthy. What was that? What was that nothing? Okay get. Careful out there. But yeah like like it's going to be real like I offense is going to be very exciting going into next season and yes, we get our hopes up every single year I. Think this is a lost season for sure. And you know hopefully hopefully, they can turn things around and you know at least at least get back to the playoffs before the Matt Ryan Eras over in Atlanta I. Hope So. And you know. We're we're one one in six. Now probably wouldn't seven considering how poorly the falcons played the painters last time. And like I mean, maybe at the end of the season will be celebrating todd. Gurley as a hero for losing that lines game because he will have guaranteed us like top repick or something. So you know he did the deed debt you know no one could do last year and seventeen. So. Don't worry. There's not going to be a three game win streak down the season. Yeah I don't worry too much about that Sharon. Regains well, maybe unless they're benching other stars or something but yeah. It's bucks, chiefs and Bucks again. Ray. Lewin Hill. It's GonNa be tough talk walser cliched but in. Their teeth kicked him. Yeah and you know. It. It is what it is. The team is bad. So. We'll do what we can. We'll try. We'll talk through look forward to next year. Look forward to a lot of stuff and we'll take your questions about this falcons roster as well. So if you guys. Already Yeah Oh. Yeah. Drafting what here's a question for you guys I know you already covered this but going back to a Alex Mack how many years have left on his contract is his last year travel saying. Okay, yeah. Okay. Well, I guess going back to that I'm sorry but. I would like to see you know Matt Hennessy get out. They get a few reps at center because that's what they drafted for. But you know I like to see what he can do an actual live game. You get that practice it that's that's one speed though amount there in the game let's see what we got here. You know what I'm saying as opposed to wait until next year nothing the Mowlam they need to get out there and you know let's see if they got skills. Pay The bill, right? Yeah. For sure for you know that's something that really blindsided the Falcons with Peter Pons where in his for saying he's going to be Peter Cons you know God forbid. 'cause lined up at Guard in a twenty twelve news rookie year when we had McClure and in twenty thirteen they they ended up parting ways with Todd McClure a year too early most probably they put up Peter Cons out at center and conjures absolutely awful like in the two thousand, thirteen season the offensive line was just like that was true. True Blood Season Glut rights apple yet here be true. Lamar Hunt. TAP that year? How someone the name is cool. Is Jeremy. trueblue could be bad at football, but unfortunately it happened. Yeah. Way They missed on a few online line drabness in the Metro area they missed on a few. Yeah Yeah I it got some pretty decent was our. Davis Stone. Wanted every position right. Baker. Alabama at one point. He was heard all the time. Yeah. He was just got hurt unfortunately I don't remember what his name but it was like. Having to store Mike Person At Center for Alabama. Mike Person. The fact that person was drastically better than Peter. Cons early says I, think To at to bengals starting for the forty niners order. He's fine. Yeah. Somehow. Person had bought a four fumbles twenty fifteen. How how does? What animals that. Were so bad at taking office alignment that we had or lower, right Oh man shot well missing what Hap- picks to now what your? Yup. Cadre Second Rounder Lamar homes as a third rounder. Sam Baker. Was a first. Grade it up first rounder yeah. Yeah those were not great. Obviously. Not. Mike Johnson that's who it was for me. That was the Alabama Guy Thank you Mike Johnson was the name. Yes. So your thorough. Yep Yep. Yes. Oh, we do have some questions I. Get. Let's see. So we got fired grafitti six. So who do we think we should trade him what do you think will get for them so and we talk about Mac I think the the competition could be a fourth radyr probably. That would be the most ideal one. Obviously we heard about tack today So we could probably I mean, you're GONNA get a lot for attack maybe like a fifty six. I mean slow. So. Unsettled twitter that. They would trade tackle like a years a years worth a year supply of GATORADE. Right I mean. I don't think we're getting a full year. Six months I really love sit. Sit On. Years the GATORADE attack. against. Or? Right because that makes a big difference as a bit too power ranking of the gatorade that maybe if we can pick whatever gainer we want, you know I'll consider that. SNOB pass year. Mega. Some Blue Powell. Yep Yep Balloon. Mystic Mountain Blueberry I now we're telling you. Now talking. PERMIS thank you for subscribed by the way but yeah. Trying to think of another guy's. Taxes. Probably will not lists. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're. They'RE GONNA get. If they trade him. is probably going to be a late round pick. Yeah it'll be like late round under Neil is another name maybe Because you save a lot of money. So just think about that knowing we hear like we know the rumors of you know Alex Mack and you know it came out today that attack was playing in there. Saying it was you know his groin injury but MAC has been on the injury report with a knee issue Do you think they would if if it would be like more of a sign if for some reason he's held out tomorrow like would you still play him if you're. Pretty good in negotiation right now with the bears, for example, play Alex Mack would you? Shut him down and say, Oh, it's his knee does he has been on the you know the injury report on obvious I think me personally get deep enough into it. You shut it down like. Rick especially with talk like he gets hurt every other game browse beams so you can't risk having like your trade commodities get hurt because you know football's inherently Bil-. Sport anyone can get hurt at any time instruments. They have less than twenty four hours though it with Mac. So I mean is either ease WANNA play. And you know the likelihood of him to the trade deadline is what Tuesday Oh mean I see what you're saying like they we wake up tomorrow and you're like, okay all of a sudden magazine plan then you know, of course. The smoke signal, right? Yeah we probably know somethings. Max I found interesting was Monday they didn't have an actual practice. It was like a stamatiou in practice or whatever injury report. So it was like who they thought would be participating and they die tack would be limited in. Then obviously, he wasn't a participant when they had the real thing and now Mac he's been limited even for the real practice so. I know I've just found that kind of interesting you're. Actually be limited because of this age and yeah, he usually gets arrestee early. And that was a significant leg. Yeah suffered yeah I. Just wonder like if the if they're like in negotiations are early stages with the bears for example in it's like, okay we might have something here. There's no reason to be like, Hey, guess what bears were GonNa play in Rocchi might reintroduce his knee when the deadlines Tuesday now I mean I think if they're really serious about the trade talks, then they're not going to play but like I I don't think yeah I mean I guess. We'll see if that happens agrees himself or was that just I don't know. I don't. Wait what snap? Yeah. I mean I I feel like tack himself getting out of bed in the morning. On, who was it to like fell in the shower? got a concussion year to Goldman. Oh my God. Yeah. Last year the year before. But like yeah, I mean. So anything can happen. You guys go players Got GonNa be careful out there. Okay. So. I just changing it's a difference for John Wall towards Achilles slipping in the shower in the NBA is the most dangerous from the house. Okay. We were there. was an art estimate like do. backout sneezing or something. act. It might have been I remember hearing about I don't know exactly what it was. Yeah. Must have been one violence needs. Right. Yeah I think it was if injury, you were not that much of a factor this year I think you possibly see Ricardo Allen on trade may be. If ks me was healthy employing. Name on there being affect Katie's out could we really don't have to be? Why they're probably ordering off on that yeah I walk in the off-season with right Outside of Mac in in Tak. I really don't see anyone else maybe Gurley I guess. If somebody wanted him. It depends on what you can get. Great. Yeah. Yeah, I mean someone probably have to offer something competitive put. Hi I'm Neil. Patel founder and editor in chief of the verge and host of decoder. A new podcast diverge and the VOX media podcast network about big ideas and other problems for over a decade I've been interviewing leaders in the world technology business and policy about how they run their organizations, make decisions and consider policy changes that could fundamentally alter entire industries like Senator Ed. 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I would say this a trade of girly is really going to hamper to run me off. Season Laws but. You can almost forget arrived. Right. Good. Obviously, if they do that but. You're also not competing. So if a fourth forum or fifty. I I would absolutely take I would take a fourth. Yeah. Like fourth rounders can be very valuable. Well, we get getting sicker I knew like now we're. Wide Receivers Dovan. On issue that I was also a higher percent robbery that we got gotta Say I knew. But yeah, I, mean I'm not saying it was bad like I was I'm glad we got it. But that was definitely anybody in any manner anyone is watching the sodas thinking, Hey, you know I I know that there was a demand Jones rumor out there that don't make a whole lot of sense because he carries a heavy dead cap number two not to mention I mean he has been. Dished yet. Be. They will. They will one to you can't. So did get that one. Will they can't be mad forget about it they're they're not trading anyone that has more than that's not in their expiring year this year right and they've already kind of made that clear. So Graded Devante Freeman Lost Year let's neither here nor there can be start with data. Okay. STARTED ON THAT ONE But yeah. I mean people need to keep in mind that the Falcons are probably line for four context this year. A fifth year from four topics which I think we'll give him ten draft picks total again general. So like Vic Beasley would give is projected to give them a fifth devante Campbell, Sixth Schweitzer a sixth in clayborn. I don't who Campbell big. Oh Vic I mean I think he has he's playing games but it the cockpit got locked in when he was on the roster. About whether or not, he was going to show up posting on instagram down in Atlanta healthtrust. Picking up a truck. Yeah. He's played in four games. He has won one forced fumble. All right typical accent. Sounds like. Snow fights the. I hate to dampen the mood, but he only has one fewer than Dante Valor this year. Hey, that was uncalled. Now. We should definitely talk about some more because it's fellows weird right because against a run, he is made like maybe more impacts plays than like. Anyone but Greg Jarrett but like you know that is valuable but it's not worth sixteen. Million dollars like it. It's nice to have. You know your premier edge actually be good against the run VIC Beasley but like he also has to be a pass rusher which he's not. So it's a very weird situation there because he's not like totally bad but he's just not having any success patron. What is the is? I'd be honest with you I don't foresee. His numbers really changed him which as the season goes on because if you're talking about getting rid of Tak McKinley, I really never be anybody. Out of him so when I have all the attention from. The the issue with Fowler is his CAP. It goes from six point six, million, this year to eighteen point six, million next year, and you can't get rid of him because his dead cap next year is fifteen point three, million dollars. so He's absolutely locked in next season at a very, very heavy capit-. You like you really need him to produce like you absolutely have to have him pretty because you can't move on it's not possible. So. Yes we need to. We need to get more of that sign clearly. All right. Louie. Get somebody somebody help, US men but. Somebody maybe you need to go down there I. Mean I don't know at this point like. I don't I don't think it can hurt. Look Margaret McCulloch. Petra colonel we'll see what we can do. We might have to him yet. I. Five eleven to warming. I'm considered a slight edge Russia but just. Plays Man. Let me get out there show outside. Hey, all of us also have one fewer segment a Dante fell. That's true. So you're telling me there's a chance for me in the NFL. So. Zach. Goodbye. Getting there. Is Back. I remember I listen to Hugh Douglas. Years Online God Lena's radio show former all pro you douglas. He said that no, you never see a defensive end run faster than when a quarterback is down and where they have a chance at that brief sock when they have a chance to get to I just touch him down because everyone's chasing that statistic everyone gets a little bit faster when that up. Exactly, leave a man brought defensive is they can look like shit, the birds three and a half quarters but if they get them to write whatever sacks at the end of the game is modeled duty. Toward the end of the season, they get thirty, four, million in August. We'll see me get cake, but you will see my hand sticking out the quarterbacks ankle a half percent Roman. Yeah. I. Felt a little bit of animosity from Keenan their. Offense. A line has to go out there putting in work every single play and you know they don't even get recognized most of the time even if they do right they only recognize when they mess up. Nuisance Muse man we need we need Gar. Give. Ten good plays. Even done anyway man so I mean. Let's be. Let's be for real if they called me up, say look here man we need. We want to give you nine, hundred, thousand million to just come and. You know be a good veteran presence in the locker room mate. Was Now right when I got home. Still, let's go. Yeah Yeah. A-. At least at least we can take. Monday Tuesday Wednesday. Every day is a better day off. You don't even need to practice the week. Teams Forty rests young they get arrested hell you. Were doing it gets going direct deposit dead Wednesday. That hey, we were rusting out all of last week knees not even a veteran at this point. We leave. Four Slam Dick. So yeah, I don't know nobody knows nobody does. Not I mean, no one even knows who he is going. He's playing twenty snaps on season. He's like a witness protection or something man that's such a that's such a funky situation in and I said it in our group chat one time before I think this is going to be something that we're probably gonNA find out after he leaves that there may have been some things going on behind the scenes with him and the team for for to literally be on the team for two years and with pretty much not play that they don't even let them practice and you. Liked Even. Be because he played like He. It'd be something else if he wasn't even like suiting up probably like four snaps Davies not he's not injured although it was weird for him to see. To see him have like off season shoulder surgery last year, and he wasn't even active for game. He missed the entire ear, but he has soldier in the year. It was this I don't know it to me. That's what it just reading. The tea leaves here near it just seems like. When he's gone when when the team separates from him that we're probably gonNA find out this just some friction between management or something that this because we thought it was would I know on always say something about danger he deigned Quinn ended him or some he's gone. I joked that he parked in Dan Quinn Barking Souther Yeah. There you go. There are. Yeah he was he was staying three and the dog he's in the Doghouse fall on. Castle some checks. Still. Made. Edges come in and get all that money and ain't person no more It's still. He's still in right now. Whether or not practicing to. Go Get your. Whether or not he's practicing whether or not he's playing direct deposit is still hitting everyone's Day. Yes sir. Election year toward the Pinson too. Yeah Not. Too, bad not too shabby I. Mean obviously, there are worse things in the world that being on an NFL team it just not getting snaps so. There are worse things than that. So Yeah, I, mean. You Know He. Could go somewhere else Dan Lewis he'll be relatively healthy I mean he ain't been playing games. Are you're right. Yeah I mean expects A. Yeah, it'll go into ways or like the new coaching staff will like him and be like Oh. We think we could use this guy or they'll be like now and then let go. So there's two ways that can go I guess we'll see soon would be cope with the nuclear Dadan at develops amaze like a friends pro right and he's like the next grade jared you know just like What the Hell did you do males exactly yeah. It's. It's we're done emery said that he scratched Thomas Dimitrov's bike. Got Show now explain everything. That blank is an heirloom he inherited from you know. Who is the biking Guy Lance Armstrong yeah. So reason a cafeteria one day and he just backing up and he bumped into Metro mutuals coffee spilled all over his new series those. That was ever since then. Man. The NFL's harsh businessman spill coffee. I hear GM. It's all over for you. Hey who knows maybe Dimitrov watching the show right now he's not doing anything else now van hey get that so I've been Yeah All right. Well, we probably you. Know. We're we're definitely not getting credentials next year does rape but. We can take solace in the fact that you know no one from the team right now, that will be watching the shows probably going to be there next. Yeah. So we'll just take solis than that but. Yeah, we should talk about the Panther's game a little bit probably Yeah, we talk about that I. Guess. Before we do WanNa remind folks like I said give all these great guests follow on twitter their names handles re popping up over here on the right side of the screen it's A. Over there. Yeah. those guys are great. All of all, my co-host awesome give those guys follows on twitter, and if you guys don't mind like I said earlier thrown a like show helps out subscribe for those notifications and all that good stuff and we will continue talking here about this Thursday night football game. All right boys. Yes. So get excited for this Primetime Falcons Action Hidden the division rival Carolina Panthers It's GonNa be a great contest So I guess the big question is like are the Falcons GonNa look you know competent in this game where they really didn't in the last one Gurley was good. Girl was good. I mean the Rondi is very vulnerable. So that is you know. That's that's a possibility like they're deal. They allow five yards per carry but so did lions we saw our debt. I'm very impressed with the panthers here because you know, I? I don't think of Teddy Bridgewater as like a top ten quarterback by any means and Matt Rule and Joe Brady of come in. He's fifth in the NFL and passing yards this year and you know they're winning these games there they have their head above water after losing maybe the best offense of weapon in football two weeks in in Christian McCaffrey, who as an outside chance of playing this game. And Looked Pretty, decent. Robbie Anderson is second in the NFL in receiving yards bullied. Yeah it's crazy. Yeah I mean the offense has been good You Know Joe Brady. Has Really made you know Lemonade Atta some lemons there the real voice. Your cutter yeah exactly. and. It's like even more striking on defense right? They were maybe the least talented defense in the NFL their I in passing yards per tempt allowed literally the best defense in terms of yards per attempt allowed in the passing game And the Falcons meanwhile are thirty seconds. So make it make sense somebody Anybody, like we said in a group set. Good Eternal. Student reports yes there. That's how they get the job done. Right they do the turtles if parliament. rest passer. Great. Now, there's actually the worst passed the thirty second in pressuring. Like what Twenty Eight, twenty, nine, in run defense up. But. Those two stats pretty much sums up that defense. UNLE- turn overs in they're sending wants. Get into office offensively they wanted toe to toe with the saints in the last game and looked like they were at least take over time until they like suffered back-to-back negative blaze and then lying joey sly per sixty sixty, five yard field goal which would have been good from sixty if he just had. Student. I don't think. Yes. Sixty five yards men that would have been. I don't think you can go into the locker room blame the kicker if he misses a sixty five yarder, right? Exactly. Yeah it's like. Dang. Joey sly what are you doing? You blew it. Matt Great Yeah Bringing Matt Prater you and it's like Oh man what's wrong to the movie? Meet Sixty, five, hundred people probably mad at the people that you know got negative place more than Joey sly but. Yeah. I don't know what you expected from. Kick what s? Depends on whether these guys I mean you know thinking they can talk with their plan for pride when talking it and press conference in seeing it on a field is two different things. So you know we we saw an in Minnesota a couple of weeks ago like hey, they were winless. They still came out and they handle business was is not like they're incapable right or it depends. You know this is a rivalry game. It is a winnable game and you know Matt Ryan and especially Julio Jones, and really they had success against the panthers in a fast yet. Almost. Want it I I think this is the game that they. They're just GONNA have to. Say It is going to have to put it all together before ordered where. Yeah and that that's specific they've struggled with. And historically, this is a team like going back to their and from the Falcons of own them. Yet Galkin's are thirty, three, nineteen in their series history if Carolina wins tomorrow. Keenan was part of a few of those wins Oh. Yeah. I was just thinking that what you said like Y'all on record. We we're leading them all time. Yeah, definitely. You know based on how? You help own the panthers appreciate. We can always go back to that. I mean, if if the panthers tomorrow they'll sweep, they'll complete the sweep, but it'll be just the fourth time in history where the panthers of swept the Belkins and they started playing in nineteen ninety-five. They did it in twenty thirteen and one of the that was only a sweet because of a bad snap over Matt. Ryan had like week seventeen. They did it in o-5 in ninety seven, and before this last win that they had a couple of weeks ago the Pelicans were like. Eight and one against them since since twenty fifteen is at thirty, seven, zero game in Twenty fifteen and the only loss was where Julio had that inexplicable drop in the end zone a few years ago. But Yeah, like Matt Ryan has absolutely like crushed the panthers since coming into the NFL he's like nineteen and seven against them or something ridiculous like that, oh? Yeah. So You know there's some divisional tried a at stake. Be I'm sure they want to get that dog gets money off Monkey Falcons a monkey off their back as well like to divisional game I'm sure I'm pretty sure this is gonNA. Come down to the loss drive. Yes. You're not wrong wrong about that Wolves back to keep in mind his game. Of course, you go back to the last meeting. It was no Julio Jones and the passing game for the Falcons was. Proud originally little stagnant that game but even they had a tough time in front of you know clamp down on written that he had eight catches for maybe like a buck forty or something like that game But again, there was no Julio Jones ramp. WanNa feel now you throw him into the equation so You know what are you going to see from the panthers defense are really just GonNa. Come up and Matt and try to force the ball out of his hand quickly or you know this is going to be a situation where mass on have an opportunity to pick apart as divas because I'll be honest with Mona deaconess eh can cover Calvin Ridley or Julio Jones. Yeah, I mean they've they've really overachieved against the past and I think they've just kind of. Part of that is the turnovers like we said, a part of that is that they've played above their talent level You know they cut you'll apple who was one of those veteran corners. Avi. Yeah just so Julio couldn't like drop another two hundred automotive. Easy to. Yeah but I mean it is a big deal at the Falcons did go into that First Panther's game pretty banged up especially with the wide receiver core you know getting back Julio has been big for this offense. We should hopefully see the run game work a little better than they should be better than they were last week against Detroit I mean, this is also another team that's. allowed. Almost five yards a carry like there's no excuse for why you should be able to run against these guys. Eat Not even net just incorporate play action element because the poor run defense. So of your teasing them as if you're going to run the ball. Of course is going to catch him off guard. They can't stop the run your bags, the run like their August the so At, least play their minds a little bit in incorporate a little bit more play action pass as we saw against Detroit. No matter how bad a team is against the if they know, you're going to run it every single I down they're gonNA stop it. Yeah, they're starting to play I mean Detroit starting to play run on second in thirteen which really tell you a lot about. The subsequent play Matt was the Matt. Ryan. Sack fumble after that second thirteen run. In case it was keeping count but Yeah I mean look you have to be able to run the ball against bad run diesel that's a requirement in the NFL. You can't let him get away with being bad against the run and you have to be able to capitalize when teams are bad against the past, keep the chains moving and all that good stuff and. Once again like the Falcons. Matchup. decently. With Carolina They should like the Carolina. The thing is the Carolina pass defense is like average which means dirt cutters offense looks like complete shit against it like as soon as the defense that you're going against is better than below average to to trash dirk cutters offense like immediately takes a step back and look bad like I I don't know there's like there's like a cutoff like around the twenty third worst defense were just dirk cutters off. It's all the sudden looks like I don't really know how to explain it but I. do know how to explain it. We've been over in a lot but I'm just saying like it. It's kind of inexplicable. From. MAZING. They're going to have to do on defense at least. Deadly control run game will be better. The run game named on them a lot in their first matchup and my Davis was pulling off five seventy dollars a carrying a quarter. And It shameless plug one of my preview. Pointed out that this is one of the best teams in a League in yours at the castor third in the NFL in yards EPA cats as a team. Only to Kansas City, in San Francisco. So they're tackling the tackling has Gigi. flunks. Bowl in in you know in the past game, they can make plays they can extend plays more because of that because it s factor. Got Three meals in the top twenty in the League in. The that's fantastic them because we never have to worry about the falcons tackling over the past few years. Yeah that good day I mean honestly the technique has been better in weeks, right? When I was looking at that I was thinking about Running down the left side line. Is. An. All to. Australian. For the end zone to saying it's Not. Yes Yeah I mean honestly tackling better are you guys as elvers dot going to get mad at? Sorry Isaiah Oliver's Dad. We appreciate you support the show man. He's a subscriber to like this man. Like that's why that's why I you know I appreciate his comedy because this is not just a fly by like I'm GonNa Shit on these guys that are mad at my son. This is like this man like actually watches the show subscribe. So like I, listen to your credit Miller's mom his meal twitter like. I think Brandon pals brother follows on twitter. He's been very upset on my tweet. So I think it's to politics. Hundred percent. Sure but. I have not been kind to brandon love reminds me. Yeah. I mean, it's not. It's not personal guys like if you guys do to show. We're trying our best out here. Rooting, for all of these guys they're. Like we want you to be good like I want you to be good like Brennan Powell I want you to be a good punter. It's not my fault that that has happened like it's in your hands to to make this happen not mine. So if you want me to stop talking shit like you need to start returning those points for like to. Okay. Remember than family members were they take? Take us to Harrison. Yeah, I mean I don't blame them like if it was my kid, I'd be the same way. When I first got here and I think there was a website it might have been the alcoholic online. I'm not sure it will no I wasn't us. WHO It was. They were talking. Sit On me whatever my dad used to get it on. Whatever all cable play could count on Hanley at burner yeah. Telephoto Tom by any you know I can't believe they give. Travis clarice so much love and I'm. You know what? I made. Me Sometime, yeah. So I give him kind of announcing who is good at who wouldn't and all that other stuff on there and was saying what he said or whatever they they found who he they. Fabri out. Call Key Keenan for them up to this. Komi ever. Told me that I said you gotta get often. Will be getting into it with a couple of years ago. was. It wasn't it. It was a particular family member that had they just. Ran Out. Flora Reynolds data's really mad. And now, he's back on the team. So what does it get mad about? Yeah he got back on here. We're. We're all good. It's like lays your. Babies. Yeah. I get it like you know you stand for your kids like I, I expect anything again. So It's it's totally it's totally cool. But yeah. It's funny. It's like you know like we're. We know. We know they're out there trying to do a job. We're just here trying to do our jobs we got we have to come up with takes the people have to have takes like they. They don't accept milquetoasts. You know like, Oh everyone's you know pretty good like we don't really have anything. Bad to say like, no people want us to come in here and complain like it's not my fault. That's what people want. Now this is we just give them what they want. So blame the people. Yeah. I always blame the people here I am simultaneously the man of the people and the because I unmanned the people I know that people want the people want. We appreciate you guys. Coming Alex Gibbs are online goes back. Hey. You get paid. fucking right. But GINKGO the. Yeah Yeah but. Like, Robert Kelly said like since we got into pal, I believe there was actually a question Brandon Powell awhile ago. So that'll be are closing topic this evening but like Brandon Powell is not been a good partner thus far. Okay. Sorry. For impels brother. But we have Chris role and waiting in the wings they protected him every single week. So clearly, they think something about him like when are we going to see this man return a punt like is this ever going to happen? What do you think? There's an injury. God I I'm not. I'm not in that kind of business but yeah. I think it. I think they should like you like you said, they're like using protection on him him incurred banker every single week and I mean Kurt. You get. You want him to be like in the competition for the backup quarterback job. So they to like think SAMA somewhat highly of Roland if they're clearly acting weekly. Yeah, I. Mean. I. Just I I suspect maybe one of these days when we have like a wide receiver injury or something like that going into Games on Game Day. Maybe, you'll get a shot at the call up, but it's like we we know what we have in Brandon Powell like as a returner and it's mediocre at best. So like you say, thousand dollars guaranteed to bring in Roland in camp to get him to come to Atlanta and all this, and you're just like we're one in six. What is the downside of trying to get a spark in their return game like? On with the undrafted free agent player like at some point, we need to make a do. So we know we need to go out and find a new return next year like. This is the die your maybe they're wait until they're mathematically eliminated because they'd defrayed someone's GonNa pot like but newsflash when you're winning sixty, don't matter if you muscled pint, you're going to lose anyway. So No, we're muffin these games you gave. This is over guys like. Got Sorry, you're saying we can't wait nine in a row. No never tell me the odds it. Is a way to sitting out there their man we can. You can do it with. Me There's a chance recoils. Now we're going to sleep the saints for going to sweep the bucks. We're going to beat the chiefs in Kansas City like I believe we're gonNA sweep the saints, but that that's not tethered to anything reality all. Here me I never go into a saints game expecting loss. The other games you can lose not those to. The saints like three thirteen as well and there there is an extra wildcard spot. ARBIT- Evan. Don't mean courage down. Okay. I'm I'll be that guy? Yeah. They're not making the playoffs is done. The season is over it's a hundred percent like, yes. Please, don't think that you're making the place. You're just going to be really dislike if I mean I feel like it would be hard to be disappointed like if they don't like the players at this point like I feel like if you genuinely think that's a possibility that. I. Don't know what to tell you. I have some beachfront property to sell you in Montana or something so. Like, yeah, it's not gonNA happen So what would you do now is see what we have and a lot of these players and try not to mess up our too much and. I mean. We have to see where we're going in the future like we need to evaluate. We need to give young players opportunities to get on the field. We need to see you know players on expired contracts or players. You know that are cuddle next year we need to get these guys, reps and see. Joe Jordan. Bush is another word I. WANNA. See Orange suit up. We'll see what he can bring. Yeah. Make Sense. Doing these been a couple of healthy scratches since he came back from his suspension but. Gamma-ray, we him and Reggie. Jalen David Hawkins says. That he's someone who could take on a major role cananea wordy at trader some more Polka from this week or is it probably won't be the saints? Which one? Detroit. I think it will obviously won't be for this because they have been activated but maybe maybe for the Saints Game I think he's technically eligible now like after this week I think he's eligible so. That could be an opportunity there because dinar was looking like our best corner before he got hurt I mean he was he was on fire that game. But yeah. We'll see what happens. There's NFL ball obviously and reminder we're GONNA have a post game. Afterwards, we'll be here to talk through that game winner loss usually about ten minutes after the game and something like that. So if you guys like this show, you like that show even more because it's a lot of fun Mostly I think for the fans that like to watch US suffer but you know either way it's good. So yeah took took out for sure guys but before we get out of here, I do want to. Thank. My Co host this evening give these guys a chance to plug their stuff. And also reminds you guys to like subscribe as always and the show is also on twitter at alcohol. If you're so inclined to do that, you have questions or comments send those to. Live g mail DOT COM or tweet at us. So keenan forty at K. Forty, sixty, five on twitter and at F sixty, five performance on Instagram Keenan. Anything you want to end on anything you want to let the people know about. Yeah. I got a couple of things man. Let me give. Me Your unpack this first off I want to say congratulations to my Guy Lyndon Cooper out the Carrollton high school last week they won their homecoming game Big Fella. He's been named the number five I believe office guard in the state of Georgia. He's going to stay. So congratulations, Larry I want to say congratulations to another kid day some renew at mountain view high school. He just picked him up another offer congratulations. Big Fella he's been working as you know what? The past three years I'm really proud of these kids you know seeing their hard work. Come to fruition of in my last. Is I. GOTTA. Say Shout out to my son Vincent Forty. He You guys. Last year, he went to a new school went to a twin rivers middle and after being at another school trying off the basketball team, he got cut it really mess with him. You know he had to face a adverse. Situation and so ever since then he's been working his tail off talking about in the gym like. going to a trainer doing all this after getting up early in the morning and go into school is seven. You guys. If you can remember, it's pretty hard to go through some work house and getting away room after you've been at school all day and so. Tonight we found out. He'd made the basketball team over here if you'll find saul man. I'm. Mad It's something else when you see your kids were crowd oppa. Yeah. But he's a great and he's you know he put he put he walked the Walk Network. From from young kids like that nowadays man they want to sit up on video games on. Talk. About it, you know what? I'm saying notes we know nor workouts that we did. He didn't do no instagram posted on none of that said he just went to work and to ninety found out he made the night great team. So I am so proud of film. You deserve to stick your chest out a little bit land. As a feel good story a feel good story that we need right now. And My last thing I'm so I you get. To. Trinity Valley Community College, My old Zuccotti sumit his new jump me who in a couple of other services that I'm GonNa be wearing represent on the Fox. Two so traded Valley Community College in Nineteen Ninety, seven national exams, all of fame. TV Standard. Gear Baby. Hey. Zuko wherever you are you might WanNa take these boys. You see how I they get your. Good. Get that cardinals logo. That's nice. That's good. License that right there. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Definitely. Baby. Man, for sure check that out somehow like we need the phallic tire has not arrived I. I'm bleeding I'm by Trinity College made it'd Be Church Trinity College is embarrassed right. Now. So we got to step our game up I blame the flames the postmaster joy you know for these issues so that that's my official stance. Also I'm not the one that submits the orders so it's also not up to me but Also with US tonight. Eric Robinson at square underscore Robinson Eric anything you out people know about tonight. Yeah got a rhythm came this morning for tomorrow night's game between the Falcons in the panthers. Give that a look and has always manages just go to alcohol at site. You know we got a lot of good stuff coming out on a weekly basis is down season, but we're still keeping you informed will keep new involved. So check it out also subscribed to the tonight show as well. Yeah. Yeah. Appreciate that guys can do that for us. 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I know a lot of people, the players inside it's very valuable. It's something that is unique that we can that were really excited to be able to bring you guys in was just a lot of fun having Kina forty on anyway. So that's always nice. But. Yeah we we do appreciate you guys for that also with US tonight was ninety kitsch. He had to drop out but he is at say which way on twitter and check his twitter Antao dot com for his work as well, and then finally Evan Burchfield at the very easy to remember. At burchfield. On Twitter Evan anything you're working on you people know about. not really I got a fantasy article coming out tomorrow before the game and. our staff picks Tamara too. So in Air Robinson has been killing it. Yeah crushing it. He's like what? Like one of the top I he's he's in the top five percent. Yeah definitely. So big props. Eric, that one one week he came in second out of like. Hundred yet to render people. Yeah. Yeah. So he's got the stuff. He's got the stuff this year. Yeah. remix bits. It's like, yeah it's like you Gino with the dogs she has the dog. So does it works out? Eric it's insured the most accurate amongst us who who tomorrow. You. Don't know Saddam over here. Yeah I'm sure you have the panthers was trying to pick. Accuracy I'd be also picking Panthers and I'm pretty sure. I. Did you can see our picks on the fact all you can see all of them. So check that out. Yeah. It'll be on there tomorrow sometime before the yeah. Yeah, and Ben Grew grew Hagen raise the point to that It's possibly going to rain tomorrow night. And Carolina so that can also? Here. Shortly. That could contribute as well. But yeah. We really appreciate everyone like I said, we'll be back tomorrow night. 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Falcons vs. Colts: Week 2 Post game analysis

The Falcoholic

32:01 min | 2 years ago

Falcons vs. Colts: Week 2 Post game analysis

"Guys Walk into the Alcohol Post Game podcast with two thousand nine hundred season we three the Atlanta Falcons on the road. Taking on the Indianapolis Colts joining me as always is my fellow alchoholic writer Evan Burchfield Evan. How're you doing? It's not well he w yet so for those who didn't hear the Falcons lost a close one which at times didn't feel like it was going to be close at all they lost twenty seven twenty four on the road they are now one in ten in their last eleven games against AFC teams one eleven eleven. If you include the Super Bowl which certainly counts we won't talk about that. this was a frustrating game a tale of two halves and a game with potentially some serious long-term ramifications for Falcon so let's jump right into it and we're. GonNa talk about those injuries because these are looming coming over this team early again in the season. This feels eerily like a two thousand eighteen season. Seles just get to some of the names obviously the one at the top of the list the one that probably has fans the most concern is gonna be Keanu Neil he went down believe in the second quarter and amazingly the refs are heartless in that suffered the injury through his helmet off and then subsequently got the penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct for taking his helmet off on the field when it was clear that he was seriously injured which was frustrating. I know it pissed me off pissed off a a lot of people were watching. I understand rules are rules but breaths. That is just garbage. You guys can go to hell for that Neil. It looks like may have suffered offered an Achilles injury I think some people were initially speculating. ACL again since that was the injury from last year but it does look like it's an Achilles injury. We don't know the the extent yet but he was carted off and he was seen crying on the field which was devastating. Evan was your thought you saw him clutching at his leg yeah it was you know heart wrenching like you you. When you see somebody that tough crying you know it's just like in any care about your players and stuff like that and it just was it's emotional in any think of we finally get him back in game three. He's got probably a serious injury at first it seemed like you know the fear or was it was acl but apparently it was his Achilles as you mentioned but I believe it's on the same I'm not a doctor so I don't know how that even if that is even relevant just I believe it's on the same you know so that that's really a lot of stress on that leg of his it just it sucks. I'll know there ain't really a way to sugar coat. It just today soft in the injury sucked in yeah. Yeah I mean there was another devastating site for Falcons fans. You know one of our young bright right stars one of the guys that Dan Quinn drafted to rebuild this defense down for what potentially could be yet again a season ending injury injury and of course some fans have already started to ask well. You know a keep him after next year and I think that's going to be a big question. Mark Mark you know he's got one more year with the Falcons because MS fifth year option than twenty twenty and I hate it. I hate it. That's even the conversation to have at this point but yeah. It's Keanu get better. there were other injuries. We don't know the severity of those Grady Jarrett left late in the game with a toe injury. Sorry he did not return type. McKinley had a knee injury and did not return. I will say it looked like he was trying to work. The knee out on the sidelines what we were seeing in that is potentially encouraging. That may not be a long-term injury so we'll definitely have to keep an eye on that. Jim Brown did X. At the game at one point I think he came back in. I'm not positive either. Smith got taken out of the game with concussion and so they can on Barner so the Falcons suffered a an big slate of injuries this week and it is a pretty a pretty rough ebbing forum for them to lose this guy and then to lose that game so what do you make of these injuries Do you think there's any of these that you're overly concerned about outside of obviously the key on the Neil injury you think any of these look like they're going to be long term thinks you know I mean I didn't you know but the thing with injuries theresa that is it's in the NFL. It's tough because it's like you'll think it's nothing in menu wake up on Monday or Tuesday morning and they're like they're out for for the year like fluky you know in the Nicole also had their share of injuries with obviously dearest Leonard. They're probably best defensive. The player didn't play a T. Whitehill in left in I believe the third quarter with a quad injury yeah I feel like they lost somebody else but not remember off the top of my head but you know it's just it happens. You know injuries happen in for some reason with us. They happen all at once in it. It's it's unfortunate but you know that's that's part of being a brotherhood in stuff like the rest of the guys have to step up in. I mean we lost by three so it wasn't like we got destroyed but I I felt pretty confident that this is a game. We should have one to begin with. I don't WanNA bounce around but yeah. Just you know it's it is and I think we're going to talk about that here quickly. It's in the first half. The Falcons. Were just this completely outplayed by the time they went into the locker room at Halftime it was a twenty three game. Matt Ryan was completely ineffective. He you know he had another head-scratching interception on again a downfield pass to luke stocker which sure I'll go ahead and say it dirk cutter. If you're calling downfield passes to luke stocker you deserve to be fired that is incompetence you when you have. Julio Jones Calvin Ridley Muhammed snnu Austin Hooper Devante Freeman and you're calling downfield passes to your blocking tight hi in you're in the competent offensive coordinator and you deserve to lose your job. It is mind boggling we we saw in the first. I have more targets for Luke stocker than we did for Calvin Ridley that is that is a level of incompetence that should be pointed out in screamed about out until the Falcons Brass flowery branch make a decision on whether they want this team to have a good offense or whether they wanNA feature Luke fricking stalker every week. I'm fed up with it. It's disgusting stupid now. That does not excuse Matt Ryan throwing that ball it was a terrible all decision by our QB. He has six sections on the season but we'll talk about his second half a little bit later but I did want to get that off my chest dirk cutter. This offensive talent deserves better than the play calling you put on the field in the first half today what you put on the first half should get a man fired it was that stupid that offensive and I am beyond the Pale with your insistence that you're going to be created by throwing the people that don't deserve observe the Damn Ball Evan your thoughts yeah I was about to go in on stocker. Some glad you did too the gravely and you made a good point. in the first half stocker head more targets in Ridley in the overall game stalker had four targets. It's really only one any caught it for six yards. That's it's incompetence. It's it's just ignoring your playmakers like it doesn't make any sense actually went to stalker before one of the Hooper touchdowns because he scored twice they went to stalker in it you know towards the ends. I don't get this love fest. I don't like I want. I want to understand why Luke stalkers so involved. You WanNA use them as a blocker fine but why why is he one of your receiving options like I understand if he's like seventh receiving option or something but I like if you want to look at this game four targets for Luke Stocker one target Hodel for Ridley. That's all you really need to know exactly because it's it's stupidity not like I'm on one of the last people who wants to jump on the whole like let's get rid a Dan Quinn thing but there's no you have to now like you have no choice. We've we've literally knockabout surround. We literally had sixteen penalties to their one. Four hundred twenty yards move because because of penalties like it's just like it's frustrating undisciplined your your your guys out there playing. Dan You know and right now. We're recording this literally minutes after the game ended in right now. Dan Quits probably at his presser saying you know the typical B. S. lines about We're GONNA improve this. You know all you know penalties Blah Blah Blah given you know given what he thinks. People want to hear. Nobody wants to hear it. I really hope in. This is like going out there. I really aside from you know cheering for the braves. I really hope they win because I want. I Want Arthur blank and I know he's already got that kind of firing hiring him. I want him to have that fire of okay. I'm tired of the Falcons being like a joke because if if the Atlanta united you know they win another championship they already want one last year the braves when a championship it's GonNa make the Falcons look really bad. They're all of a sudden the like third or fourth worst team. I'm in the city when they used to be running the city even though they weren't successful but it's like it's a joke at this point in. I hate that we're wasting you. You Know Julio Jones were Wasting Matt Ryan. I mean even in that stupid ass decision. He had he finished his stats twenty nine of thirty four three hundred and four yards three touchdowns at interception hundred and twenty one point one rating like that's a solid day on paper but we're we're wasting talent I'm just I'm Kinda like over this came. It's sickening 'cause stupid. That's all it is stupid. It's like when let me loss to the dolphins in previous years when we needed a win they do this shit in. It's like later on in the season. This'll like okay if find the Falcons and I like to believe I do. They're going to all of a sudden about you're gonNA finish the bye week strong. They're going to start contending in. It's like Oh we're gonNA miss the playoffs by Gamer number two because of losses like this. It's just stupid yeah yeah and I I think I said this on twitter and with a reiterated read it here if you guys are of the mindset that Dan Quinn needs to go. I think you can point to this game. As positive highlighted perfectly the endless number of penalties. I believe there were sixteen penalties on the day for the Falcons me me Yeah Sixteen for one hundred twenty yards according to whatever the stats things sixteen penalties including it felt felt like a dozen on the last offensive drive for the Falcons which amazingly they were able to overcome instill get a touchdown. I'm out of but that is a lack of discipline which falls on the head coach and then we saw a defense that yes I know you lost kill. Neil and you lost Grady Jarrett on the final drive intact McKinley but that got carved up in the first half got carved up by Jacoby be percents and you know I'm not saying he's about quarterback but he looked like an all pro quarterback against Falcons defense and if you're GONNA fire if you're gonNA look at the the two main reasons behind those massive massive issues in this game they're both Dan Quinn lack of discipline the the the overarching theme of the season the massive number of penalties and in the defense that again just failed when we need them to to succeed they had some good moments in the second half you know they were finally beginning to pressure in the second half so I don't WanNa completely dismiss everything everything they did but it wasn't enough and I think that's the thing that you know if you're a falcons fan that you're fed up and you're upset and you want to see Dan Queen Go. I can't blame you after that game. It was disheartening Mel. I'm GonNa throw the normal caveat. Here is very early. In the season. The Falcons are one run into in the division with no clear leaders but if they continue to play like this. It's God knows what kind kind of record we're going to look at at the end of this year now. The first half was a disaster. The second half by comparison was the exact opposite it was what we expected to see out of this. Falcons Team Matt Ryan turned it around substantially intially and he ended up completing the day twenty nine of thirty four three hundred four yards three touchdowns in one interception so he essentially had only five incompletions in several of those were in the first half at one point he had sixteen straight completions all three it was touchdowns came in the second half and it was it was encouraging to see that. Ryan finally showed us a bit of what we knew. He was capable of it. Just wasn't enough in the same game So Evan Matt Ryan whether you make of the struggle the he had in the first half and really sort of the night and day difference between his first half in the second half yeah you know you'd like to see him battle back act because the team really needed a as you mentioned earlier while you were talking about how the defense led us down that it I mean because they did like we had an opportunity to come back. The team was coming back in the defense for whatever reason just could not stop Marla macro the rest of the colts the third down play which pretty much ended it was a fake Ryan in Doyle of Jack Doyle tied for the colts. I got the first down that pretty much ended the game there it's just it sucks because it's like we you know and I said it said it you know after the a game last week it's like. I felt like everything worked tonight game. It's like we the Falcons gave us a false sense of emph- confidence in our defense and it's it's true it was false because the team sucked like the defense was bad. Even before Kiana Neal went out. We can't blame injuries here. They look bad. the colts came out ready to punch us in mouth in they did me and you discussed last last week about Jacoby said in how you pretty much win if you can stop him and we couldn't stop him we just could not uh-huh Kudos to him because this man didn't even this man thought he was riding the bench up until like a week or two before the regular dealer season started like if playing we would have been probably losing by twenty or more but that's nothing to take away from Jacoby per. Se played fantastic again there for a while. I think it was like ten for ten like it's it's just. I don't want to go away from Your Matt Ryan question but it just feels like everything like Matt Matt Ryan Spine. I'm not worried about him. He had that stupid decision because it was a stupid decision. I don't WanNa say here in sugar coat things anymore. as you mentioned throwing it to Luke Stocker I mentioned in our chat loose soccer climbing a ladder couldn't have caught that ball like it was way overthrown I don't. I don't know what he was doing because it wasn't like if you're gonNA throw to Luke Stocker make sure the man's wide open and even then I don't. I don't like it but at least till he's wide open. Why are we forcing it to Luke. Stalker Dem Issue Stupidity Aside from that play. I have no problems with Marins Day yeah I I. I think he did enough for them to win. and I you know the the interception stands out because it was to six on the season was is in the red zone but it did that second half with the three touchdowns should have been enough to to bring home the victory but it the between the penalties that extended some colts offensive drives in the second half that we had on defense and some missed tackles mix sacks. you know that was where. I think if Ryan was given one more drive I feel like the Falcons had the chance to win it in the NFL like they will yeah with his playing taken half. I agree with that all right so I was just gonNA say. Can we focus on one positive thing devante Freeman Freeman look so real quick to close out the discussion on the offense and before we go and talk about the defense which may be painful as I mentioned Ryan Twenty nine thirty four thirty four yards three touchdowns one interception as you mentioned devante Freeman he had sixteen carries carries for eighty eight yards which was a five point five average. He looked much much better in the AD through the first two games. So that was encouraging the C- obviously either Smith went out in was mostly ineffective. He went on early so Julio Jones Eight receptions one hundred twenty eight yards and the touchdown Muhammed Snooze six six receptions for seventy five yards and Austin Hooper had a big day six six receptions sixty six yards and two receiving touchdowns so great day from Hooper. You're on the offense and that's basically how things played out for the Falcons offense so before we talk about the Falcons defense how that worked out. 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Let's talk about the defense because that is another area where again I feel like there were some good signs but it was there is just a lot of terrible terrible terrible discipline problems. We did see they were completely incapable of generating pressure against Jacoby in the first half that changed a little bit in the second half. They were mostly good at stopping runs up the middle and yet again. Dan MARLA MAC was feasting on the runs outside the edges so Evan. What's your take on that Falcons defense. I didn't force a punt until the third quarter. Yeah not good they just they couldn't stop the run as you mentioned and even when they did it was still going for like four or five yards. It felt like my dad was a successful. Stop it felt like is MARLA MAC act falling forward for five yards just the whole defense. It's like the offense you know as you mentioned seemed like they got it together. In the the second half for at least they kind of got it together the defense just the whole game didn't seem like they knew what they were doing. just just look poor at best. It's it's just it's sad because it's like the these are the you know it's like every year. We feel this feeling like okay. The Falcons defense is going to to be better than they have. Those games like last week as I mentioned where you feel like they are better and then they just fall apart you you know in in so many the penalties go on both sides of all but so many penalties that were just gone headed the like that kept drives drives going up for the colts you know like the one. I can think of like the Ricardo Allen one where he he was like helmet-to-helmet probably almost got tossed out of the game right you know and then I think of like the play where Naim Hinds are one of the running backs for the colts. He's like more. They're receiving back. was going for a first down. Basically put a nice to on folio. Lucon in you know picked up the first down. I think that was like shortly really like that was like a couple of plays right before Kiana Neal went down. I don't know it's just there's not a whole lot of like I'm trying to think of something positive ositive to say about the defense and I really don't have anything yes. It's on the day tack and Vic Split. A sack in that also happened to be the play. A believe attack got injured on. There are a few guys that you know had some decent place here and there but I'm sort of over talking about this defense from the standpoint of Oh this guy had you know two or three good plays is this guy had one or two plays. we saw several lapses and coverage we saw lapses and coverage not only from a guy like guys oliver who you sort of expect it from because he's younger player. He's a first time starter this year but we saw it from guys like Ricardo Allen and we saw the last week from John. Neil and again that points to coaching. Why are you guys Allah position. Why are they blowing coverages that if you're if you're going to hang your hat Dan Quinn as being a defensive coordinator being defensive mastermind that means you have to have of these guys prepared coming into the game. It means that you know silly college level blown coverages. Don't happen on your watch and it's happening happening. It's happening repeatedly. It happened in the first game. It happened in the second game. It happened again in this game and it is to the point where for you you deserve all the criticism that is coming your way and here's the thing. I want fans to be clear about this. I really really like Dan Quinn. I think he's you know a lot of guys complained about his raw raw attitude but that is genuinely who he is. He is a positive this guy his someone that people love to be around he is genuinely just a good decent human being a he is hard not to like when you meet in person and he is someone who I think has done a lot of things the right way since he's come to the Falcons a believe that he has drastically improved the vision for the team as far as how they want to draft players he has set a vision for the team that the it prioritizes the athleticism that has netted us some really good late round draft picks in under his watch but if we're talking about the discipline issues and we're talking about the defensive struggle so far this year and we're talking about just poor execution to start a game that falls on his shoulders and as the head coach you you you've had you know two different defensive coordinators that you've let go and that you essentially passed the buck onto them for what was happening on defense and you've got no excuses. Now you know this defense is yours. You wanted it that way and you're going to bear the burden of that responsibility like I said you know for for fans who are down on on D Q for His coaching I ah this is coming again from a guy who genuinely likes and respects Dan Quinn and what he's done for this franchise over for the past couple of years as far as setting vision in the drafting all of that a really do generally like him but I'm at my wit's end with this defense not executing way that he said that what Evan anything you want to add to that or any other thoughts we did finally see Matt Bryant. Get some get some time in field but anything you want to add their any final thoughts on the defense or anything at all I mean. Can you pretty much summed it up. I think the biggest takeaways from this game you know are those sixteen penalties because when you look at the team stats it wasn't like if you just looked at the team stats not the score like a third downs. We were eight for ten colts. Were five for eight total net yards. We were there's three ninety seven. There were three seventy nine they had you know eight. More offensive plays in us. are rushing net was ninety three seventy nine nine passing. NAB was three or four with three hundred We had a turnover they didn't. We both scored three touchdowns. They had one more field goal It's just you get to penalties and we've got sixteen for one hundred twenty yards. They have four for thirty nine like that pretty much. That's where it ends right there here. Even though a couple of were stupid it seemed like the refs were very biased. against the Falcons play into the home crowd but even even then you WanNa take away like four of them that still bad it's just. I it's not a good look you're going to always you know almost ten times out of ten times lose a game. If that's your penalty ratio sixteen to four you know aside from that you know back to the Stalker Stalker Ridley thing like Calvin Ridley as we saw last week on Sunday night. Football should not have one target for for one target for six yards yards like you just don't do. I mean Kenyon Barner had one target that make sense Calvin Ridley's your second best receiving option in. He's got one target target when you're losing a game like in your trying to throw the ball. You're going to lose that game. I don't even need to see the score. I can tell you that 'cause unless unless Julio goes three hundred yards. That's the only way you're winning. It's just stupid. It's it's frustrating because it's like you know I. I don't WanNa take anything anything away from the colts but it feels like they were given one because of our stupidity you know between penalties in how we're using our offensive weapons of. I didn't want you mentioned that vomit on twitter mentioned that Kion O.`Neil left the stadium on crutches with a with his left foot in a boot not a good sign. Obviously probably in Achilles tear so prepare yourselves for bad news tomorrow but yeah I mean I don't know what to say. d-w. It's just Kinda like. It's only week three like I really feel like garbage. I you know I think it's important to emphasize that because we could be ten weeks from now and laughing about how bad things fell after this game and I sincerely hope that's the case. I hope you know ten games from now looking back and saying wow sal you know thank God. They turned around but this right now it's. It's the the sloppy play. It's the penalties. It just looks like poor. Coaching that is setting this falcons team up for a long season. they've got a lot to fix. They've got Uh uh the titans coming in this week into Atlanta I believe and yeah. It's you know they. They've got a lot of work to do. It's still a long season. Let's hope it's not long season but they you know they certainly have the talent to turn this around with C. A. Fa coaching can can finally catch up with so for those of you who you listen to our podcast every week. Thank you guys for listening in. I know this is rough. Stick stick with us. We're GONNA. We're in this together to have a drink. I we've got another week until the Falcons. Go back in again because it feels like a very Atlanta thing to do so with that said we're going to close this one out this week. Thanks skies for Evan Burchfield. Stay Walker. Thank you guys for being a part of this podcast with us. We'll talk the yeah.

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Falcons finally beat an AFC team in the Jaguars

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Falcons finally beat an AFC team in the Jaguars

"Guys Welcome to the Falcons Alex Post Game. PODCAST in two thousand nine hundred season week. Sixteen the Orlando Falcons at home Jacksonville. Jaguars joining me as always as my co host fellow writers alcoholic. Evan Burchfield. Doing I'm doing doing good. We're one day closer to Christmas even though it's completely rushed up on us. But there's only one game left for the Falcons so yeah we just got through game name number fifteen in what has felt like a very long arduous season. I think I think we're all ready for the season to be over With the way things have turned so with that. Let's jump into it. The Falcons did win a contest at home taking on the Jaguars it was it. It seemed like their first time in years beating. AFC team As many people though the Falcons other Dan Quinn have had an abysmal record against AMC since two thousand seventeen and they won it in relatively convincing fashion twenty. Four twelve This was a again with some people that stood out with dominant performances That we're sort of getting news to his Falcons fans and really I think just the another one of those. Those games at some fans are going to be really aggravated. They won because draft positioning Other fans are sorta indifferent at this point and wondering if if this is GonNa Save Dan Quinn's job that's a conversation for another time. We're GONNA talk about the specifics of this game. Let's start with the offense you you know. They did put up twenty four points it. Was You know the Jack Jacksonville had sort of a middle of the road defense. Although you know their defensive line coming means his game was was a very good one maybe not quite up there with the forty niners but still a very high quality in their class. Campbell is still playing extremely really high level late into his career. You got some other guys up front. The you know were just bulldozers on the line and I think there was some concern. What about the offensive line protecting Matt Ryan? They seem to do a really good job. especially with Chris Lindstrom Kayla mcgarry. Those guys seem to really coming along so Evan. And she'll be thoughts on offense who stood out who think had a great gain Where some of the names that stick out to you when you think about that contest? Yeah I mean at the top Has To be Julio Jones who had you know not maybe the same exact type of game is last week but a similar game where offense kind of flowed load through him By silently devante Freeman had a great game probably is best in quite some time Thirteen carries fifty three yards the touchdown rushing. He seemed like normal. I mean there was some Plays that were called back due to holding the fifty three yards. You know now it should have been actually more probably around seventy to eighty ish If not more than you look at how he was in the passing game he had eleven targets. It's which you know I I don't have in front of me but that's got to be one of his career highs. That's a ton of targets his way just passing wise nine reception. Seventy four yards touchdown. I mean aside from that it was you know basic what what normally happens Matt Ryan had you know He. He had two interceptions which was kind of was a great play by the defender. Hung up on that fully on Ryan But had you know normal Matt Ryan Day thirty me too. Forty five three eighty four touchdown in the in the two interceptions Yeah I mean overall was just a great day Along the offensive line. There's really no staff for this but I've noticed the offensive line just seems better now. That lynch trump's been back. I can't mark that up is just a coincidence. I feel like like that. He has something to do with it. but yeah. I mean aside from net dolphins scored. I don't know what like twenty probably twenty plus in five of the last six games or something like that. They've you know it's not like they've been putting forty of constantly like twenty sixteen but this season they've been doing doing you know at least a second season I should say Doing a better job. Probably not enough to save cutter but I mean you no without Calvin Ridley Hooper. WHO's looked in the past two games like he was a little demon up? He had a better game. Seven baby too but You know aside from that. Did you see anybody else who stood out to you. I mean all of a sudden again getting the goal line altering of as it seems like he always it. Does I think Dave up on twitter. That if he had I don't find it while you're talking. Thank you go ahead and look pretty good Some of the guys stood out to me. definitely Freeman. Moore's receiver than's runner honor. Although he was a good runner Had A good game. He had some fantastic catches including one that I don't know how he made. He had to turn back over his the left shoulder in basically dough for it in it was a reminder that you know he has an exceptional receiver out of the Backfield was the second and targets. The you mentioned the targets. Julio had fifteen So he was right behind him and hooper had nine so that those were your top top three Brian Hill. Who has sort of been a `Nigma this year but I feel like when he gets good blocking he is an explosive explosive runner he had some cherries for sixty six yards? which is nine point four average? So you know. I mentioned this on twitter. I feel like the running game. You know we. We tend to put all the blame on the running backs which is never an accurate representation of how that works But I don't think it's any coincidence. That on the on the day. That devante has a game on the ground that Brian Hill has a good game background. And that's probably in large. which part due to the offensive line doing their job the play calling navy being a little bit better not as predictable so his seven for sixty six I think it's a reminder minded that he can be a capable number two and I think that's that's where he had to keep in mind it I don't think he's a number one guy But the rotation he's he's equality option and I think it's worth monitoring going into twenty twenty the earth thing of no. This is Russell. gauge has turned into a pretty consistent contributor on this offense. Now he's not going to be a top receiver. He's not gonNA be a guy. Can pull down ten fifteen receptions in the game but he is getting like five receptions of fifty sixty yards per game on average And for Guy who's in the second year I think that is exactly the kind of development you want Seattle and so You know assuming. Julio in calendar Healthy Healthy Gauge is behind your tight end so he's going to be really your fourth or fifth receiving option on any given day. And that's the kind of productivity. You WanNa see six targets five receptions So I I like. How gauge has been progressing in this offense because You know when when we got rid of Knew a lot of that was not just the belief the cavalierly would be. You know a good number two wide receiver. I think everyone knew that look. I think Russell Gauge was a big contributor to sue being traded because they felt like he was ready to step up into that wide receiver three roll and I feel like he's doing that so You know his stats. Aren't you know going to blow the doors off. But they're consistent enough that I think you look at it and say okay. He is absolutely absolutely worth keeping around in that third receiver role and Ryan likes them. You Know He. He Ryan targets him as a legitimate third receiver receiver on this roster and I think that that says a lot so in that that is arguably going to get even better given that this is his first year really contributing as a receiver Last year he was only out there as a special teamer so I really like his development. And I know you know when we're talking about stats again. Nothing's eye-popping about him but I liked that he's fitting that role very nicely for the team. Definitely I just wanted to mention and I've found that tweet I referenced earlier so Dave said Quadri Alison Here's his If he had one hundred carries next next year in twenty twenty he would be on pace for two hundred yards and twenty touchdowns which is pretty accurate because I mean he he gets like one or two carries game. It's always at the goal line in. It's for you know one or two yards an boomy scores I mean credit to him. He is a goal line back like he's doing his job at the goal line. So these rookie months. Yeah they might start back to work in a little further back and stuff like that Because when Freeman out hill was the primary you know it seemed like he was getting pretty much the bulk of of it although all did vulture a couple Ben too but yeah I liked what you were saying about hill. He's basically what you want in a running back to change of pace back. Whatever you WANNA call it Because when he was starting he was struggling. But you see how. He is in that reserve role in he flourishes every week so yup one thing I wanNA point out before we go into the second half talk about the defense which I think was a good game for them and is the fact that You know when we're talking about the offensive line Jake Matthews. Obviously fantastic game. I think he was second highest rated offensive player on the day. You know Alex Mack has been playing better as of late. My concern this point Gary and Lindstrom. We're going to take their lumps the rookies. That's what you expect. My concern is at left guard and my concern is not just the the guy's playing you know we're playing West Schweitzer. We know what West Schweitzer is. He's he's not going to suddenly become equality starter he is a backup. He's a he's decent for a backup that has to start occasionally but the thing that it blows my mind is that this coaching staff they saw matt go play according to PF. At least according to what I saw he played fairly well at at right guard Better than anything we've seen from Schweitzer or Brown or carpenter before that point and since then they have essentially Eh blackball them again he is i. I don't understand why we can't give him. Opportunities At left guard when Schweitzer is has has not been good frankly and we know Schweitzer. Isn't the future go. No has the potential to you know to be a starter At this point it we've seen flashes of it but we never get to see it consistently enough to make that determination. This feels a lot to to me if we go back several years At the end of Mike. Smith's tenure with the Falcons. It reminds me of smitty constantly constantly. Starting Jeremy True blood at right tackle even though we knew we knew what true blood was at that point he was not equality starter at best asked he was a backup in even at that. You know you could even find better. Guy Wasn't him and we had this young player on the bench who we had seen in preseason. preseason we've heard the coaches talk about him This sounds very familiar. And the guy's name was Ryan traitor and he finally got a start at right tackle and imagine that he was white years better than Germany drew blood. And I feel like we're in that boat again with Gono where we hear all this talk about them we see him. The preseason rely this looks promising in then he is put in the witness protection program. And it's just incredibly frustrating and again these are meaningless games if we're going to give him playing time. These are the Games in which just to do it so this is just a little rant for me. A little frustrated that we're not seeing some young guys get the opportunity especially when you're on the euro six and nine team you have nothing to play for except for the future and the future is about your players who could turn into something not not the players who you already know what they are. So Falcons needs to be done with west widespread. I need to put him on the bench where he belongs. See what they haven't gone out if go news not the guy at least you will know you know so rant there for me Evan. Anything else you want to add onto offense for Ball yet no just a quick thing and I'm sure everybody's already heard of it but Julio Jones you know hadn't had a career chief May I think last this week Matt Ryan had a career in this week was Julio's time He's a fastest in. NFL History to twelve thousand Receiving yards and he did it in a hundred and twenty five games. Jerry Rice Was the meter ended in hundred and forty two so I I mean definitely wearing a more passing heavy league. But it's still. I mean if there was any question that he's not a hall of Famer are like the over. Yeah I mean you have to consider that You mentioned Jerry Rice but there are other guys. Do you think about Randy Moss. Yeah Terrell Owens Calvin Johnson that Are Not ahead of Julio on that list that you know were in the more modern era of passing those are arguably three guys will be in in in the hall of fame in the resumes are very strong. Anyone who thinks that doesn't belong in the hall of fame is not paying attention or or they just hate the hate. The Falcons CNN's there's there's plenty of those around So we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA come back talk about special teams. We're talking about the Defense Burger. Take a quick break. We'll be right back. Hi this is Cara Swisher host of Rico Deco. 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They have an opportunity to go seventy nine to finish out the season matching last year's record. We're GonNa talk about what they did defensively against the Jaguars because I think this is where really they. They had their best game. You know the offense played decently they put up twenty four points. It felt like they left a lot of points on the board of the percent. Drop passes the Matt Ryan Interceptions Didn't help not that. They were agreed. Disley bad that it it just it felt like the offense scored more than they didn't the defense on the other hand and felt like Whether it was a combination of a Jacksonville just being incompetent incompetent. You know. I'd like actually Gardner Minzhu I think he's got some potential to be a good starting quarterback in this league. He struggled through the game as a rookie. Often does and if the defense seemed to really do a you know their job. So do you know if we are looking at some of the top defenders in the guy at the top list is not going to surprise anybody. It's Greg Jarrett the man you know it. It blows blows my mind during the off season we actually had fans saying the grady did not deserve again. This guy is legitimately okay one of the five best interior pass rushers in the entire league. He has had several several sacks taken away from him this year on absolute garbage penalties including the one last week against the forty niners and he had a sack in this game. Grady Grady. E- You know even when he doesn't get the sacks. He is just terrorizing the quarterback. He got to mend shoes several times. And you can tell Gardner like I want nothing to do with this. So he stood out to me. I felt like the secondary as a whole actually. We did a fairly good job of keeping the Jacksonville receivers covered Jacksonville's receivers are not really a premier unit. So you take it with a grain of salt. The thought did a good job again in this game. I think he picked up another sack. And yeah some some overall good performances warminster from some of these guys so who are some of the names that stood out to you maybe some of the guys don. PF anything and the ad on what stood out from the defense. Yeah Bleed He. Yeah I think for two straight games at least since true fonts gone down went down He. He's done pretty well in east graded well On. PF also I know He. He gave up the one touchdown to Chris Conley and that was kind of an ugly play but aside from that he stepped up in done. Pretty well I don't know if anybody has kind of flip the script more than Vic Beasley right now. he I mean he's he's getting sat you know He's at wait. I think like eight right now on the season which is respectable number. It's not like you know three or four or something. Yeah I I mean aside from that I mean you talked about the secondary Sheffield where without our best guide. desma true fine. WHO's on I R? So Oh you think the secondary is GonNa fold. Oliver's looked pretty good even though for some reason he hasn't graded very well on PF But I thought he's looked pretty decent But Yeah I mean on when you look at the stats for the Jaguars the big takeaway for me was it. Seemed like for most of the game anyways ways. The receivers weren't getting a lot of I mean they were getting targets but they weren't getting a lot of catches their I think their highest reception option total for receiver was to which was Westbrook had to char- who if you play fantasy football you know as a top fifteen player Receiver he was held. The two receptions in eighteen yards Chris Conley I mention had that one long kind of fluky touchdown. I mean he earned put. It was Kinda like a broken thing nearby. Lady Two receptions fifty six yards and a touchdown that was our best receiving option You mentioned Mentio- I like Menchu to he buy he. He kinda like. He threw thirteen thirty one. which is a bad number? One hundred eighty one yards a touchdown. No interceptions For Nets wanted a better running backs in the league. He had fifteen carries in seventy one yards no touchdowns so there wasn't really a huge threat in the running game But yeah I mean the I mentioned it you know in. I know we're just focusing on this game But I mentioned on twitter. I mean you look at how that one part of the season during the bye week where Dan Quinn Kinda relieved his duties of doing the defense the first half of the season in eight games. I mean they allowed. How two hundred and fifty at this point who the last seven since the by we only one hundred twenty seven points allowed? I mean that's it's insane. How yeah it? Yeah and not. Only that You look at the turnovers gained so in the first eight games they only got four turnovers. the defense defense I mean Incense the bye week. They've had thirteen so that's one less game so that could easily go to like fifteen or sixteen or something next week against Sir Akins Jameis Winston Shit. That could actually go to date in. Play this past weekend But yeah I mean it's hard to you know when you look at like where without Kion O.`Neil Desmond true as I mentioned The defense doesn't have you. You know isn't fully healthy. But I mean you look at like Calvi stepped up late in the game. The Jaguars on the scored again in-in on that third down Jack Crawford offered in Kaminsky got that half sack On minhsiu in. I can't remember who it was but somebody knocked down in the past in the end zone. It's like that's into a defense is jobs are in the defense actually played very well Had the team constantly. I mean you could even make that argument for since the bye week as is constantly kept the offense to where they could win the game. You know the defense isn't going to score all the points. They might get a touchdown every now and then but their job is literally just to keep the offense within like touchdown of the other team like keep it where the game still alive. But I mean they've they've only lead up twelve. I mean twelve of points in this game. Was it against the saints six or something like that. I think nine against the panthers may be that slipped like the defense has been doing. It's job you know you. It's hard to single out one one or two people because I mean they're collectively doing it. yeah I think that's a key point the the you've got multiple guys sort of stepping up and You don't necessarily need everyone to play at an elite or pro bowl level. You need you need guys to do their jobs. You mentioned in the fifth grades. And sometimes they're hit or miss as far as what you see in the game. They'll you'll see someone with a really really low scoring like where did that come from us. Why always tried to take it with a grain of salt but I did think John Kaminsky again? Here's another player. WHO's barely getting snaps? They talked about this time he gets he finally gets twelve snaps in has like a really good. BFF grade in had the half sack Like I want to see more of Kaminsky. I WanNa see more some of these young guys. I WANNA see You know the guys who are going to be on the roster next year because their first year players and we know they're going to be back next year like why can't we see them now. What I understand? He was six highest rate or graded in many was inactive inactive. Again I mean I guess. They just didn't need him but I mean at this point. Why not see what he can do? I mean he wasn't like maybe one in a best player last week but he. He was far from the worst at least graded wise and I didn't notice him making any big mistakes. Kinda put him in with your ran on on. You know like the same sort of thing actually because I could easily see moving on from him and he's not gonna be Aaron Donald or anything but he could go somewhere else probably be decent. I mean there's a lot of teams that need line health. It's not just the Falcons Even though they've stepped up recently by it's not like we're let's not kid ourselves selves in think we couldn't use more talent along the defensive line like he could easily somewhere else this off season or whatever Whether they trade him release him I don't know was contract situation. But I mean you said it best you're not making the playoffs With these guys are doing because preseason is a lot different than regular season like even if you're playing these games in your you have literally no chance of making the playoffs. It's over They're still no regular season games even for the Jaguars played the same way. They're both teams are out of the playoff find. See what you die at this point. Did you know they've got one more game. And they can still use it for evaluation purposes. I think what's probably happening. Is Dan Quinn realizes realizes he needs to win as much as possible to save his job so he is probably trying to put the guys out there just like Smitty. Did you know where Smith he was. Not Comfortable with young guys A where his job is on the line Because young guys make more mistakes on average than veterans So you know I get that but at the same sometime You know those young guys make more positive place so even if you have a veteran who's GonNa make less negative plays maybe John Kaminsky Sinatra can make more of the big splash plays can actually turn a game and in to be honest. When you've got guys on defense who just are cutting it whether you're going to hurt By putting them out there and the same offense obviously so to close out. We're going to have fun with this one special teams. Why don't you tell us your thoughts on the actual teams in this game? Oh okay we'll of course. Everybody wants to hear his Ryan Allen's pretty good and I think he's GonNa be the punter next he's definitely he's earned the if they move on from Bosscher he definitely has earned the starting role into preseason. How a competent team should be not like how they did with the kicking game this past off off season you bring Ryan Allen or you keep Ryan Allen Ban You let him lose the job Bringing you know cheap undrafted whatever ever you WANNA do there. That's fine But Ryan Allen. I mean he's he's been doing work since any it's not like he's come out of nowhere. He's a super bowl. Champion from the the New England Patriots for several years. I think three years In he was there for a couple of seasons He's done phenomenal. I mean I for position that has been so so up and down this season I feel pretty good about putting situation if Ryan Allen's upon her Whether they feel the same you know. That's it's up to them and then In in the kicking spot. I mean. It's like I want to love this dude but he's like it's fun the onside kicks. This is definitely something. But it's like the Falcons are afraid and I think he saw my tweet but the fountains are afraid to kick fifty plus they just are. He made won a couple of weeks ago in doing the normal. It wasn't a pretty yard or yeah and it was like fifty one it wasn't like fifty seven or something And then he missed a forty two yarder in this past game I mean if if your plan is to kick him having kicked in the forties in bless. That's fine fine but the offense isn't always going to be able to get him in the fifty range In he's only had one attempt there in. I think it was a fifty four fifty six yard attempt. They could've kicked in a chose to hunt Nationalist that says a lot so I don't think as you know it's fun like you know. He's a fun dude. He's he's got the you know onside kick thing down but it doesn't exactly concrete the kicking position in my eyes because you you still have to be making these field goals You know especially in these key moments the seasons awash anyway so it didn't matter plus I mean if if he made the field goal you know he he obviously missed it. So it didn't ruin the Falcons chances of winning the game but you have to make those kind of field goals in. Yeah that's I mean that's pretty much my rant. I just don't think it's as concrete people want to thank. You know like people basically saying he's the next you know Matt Ryan and stuff like that like I don't see that You know the next taker. WHO's GONNA be with us for a decade? I have to see more from fifty plus because in my eyes. Maybe maybe it's unfair kickers should make you know. They're going to miss a couple here and there but he's he's missed two from between forty and forty nine one between thirty and thirty nine like even as much people hate Matt Ryan this year He wasn't missing like let me pull it up real quick. I believe he was perfect from the forty to forty nine range. His struggles came from the fifty plus range. And that's not even aware coups kicking from so. It's kind of an unfair comparison. Yeah so he was three for three Matt Brian. I'm speaking about was three for three in the forty to forty nine range His big troubles came to six in the fifty. Plus Range You know you just those are the sort of things where you have to be making those fifty pluses and that just kind of opened my eyes. Now whether it's true or not I don't know maybe they just didn't feel like they needed to kick a field goal in that position Preferred to punish. I don't know but I just noticed it because I was kind of like. That's interesting that they're not kicking the field goal there or at least attempting again. We're in a game that doesn't mean anything So why not I mean I thought it was a solid point. You made it does. It does feel like they're dodging it. Yeah and this all too you by the way agenda context of it but possibly and it could be that what they see in practice is. We don't know what they see in practice this but maybe he's just not a very good kicker at fifty plus an certainly we haven't seen anything to dispel that notion So you know sort of your point going in the twenty twenty. I think you have to have a competition Going into training camp. They can't do what they did this year. Where the handed the job to tobacco? I think you bring in. You know another kicker maybe a two kickers to send you how they go through the are- season. I don't think you have to hint to coo at this point. There's no reason you have to lock him down because honestly honestly I got spoiled by having such a great kicker for such a long time. And he's I think you you have to keep keep looking for a guy who's GonNa be a little bit more consistent especially if you're not gonNA kick fifty plus then you gotta be really consistent at forty nine under and I don't think he's been consistent enough that I would say. Give him the job. No questions asked because in a big thing too was You know I saw a lot of fans bashing For missing extra point. They've both kicked. Seven Games for the Falcons. This year in their their extra point thing is exactly the same. They're both fourteen fifteen has coo- miss that one a couple of weeks ago or whatever But definitely the fifty plus range is what screwed map Ryan because he pretty much had similar numbers. If the Falcons we're using Matt Bryant the way they used to Over the last seven games so now I mean it's going to be up to them. I mean we really don't even know you know day in Queens. Chances are that special teams coach is gone so the you know that just opened his another. Who knows sort of things? I wouldn't even worry about investing too much into that. Plus he's got one more game you know. Maybe he'll take four fifty yard field colts next week. I don't know I just yeah. I just thought it was interesting. And you know you gotTa have faith in your kicker at least to you you know. See what they have won seven games and he's got one attempts from fifty plus is bizarre to me. It is so so wh as you mentioned we have one more game. We'll see how he does there And then we'll see what happens in training camp twenty twenty whether it's Dan Quinn other coach Certainly I think Things next year can be very interesting. Not just a special teams but across the board so evidence we close out. Won't you listeners where they can find you what you've got going on yeah Oh so you can find me riding on the Phallic In an on twitter at Evan. Burchfield I had the tweet recap that comes out in. It might be out already. Ertl come out later this week. Usually I think it's like Monday or Tuesday but just be looking for it You know just everybody however been Christmas the holiday season you know just have a good one Enjoy with friends and family however you spend it in then you know we got one more game left in Mandy W will be back to recap that one The Tampa Bay buccaneers finishing seeing the same way we did last season at Tampa and then we got off season of a lot of question marks. So yeah just have a happy holiday Dan and guys find me on twitter at Falcon Hollick. GW articles weekly at Alchoholic DOT COM So that as Evan mentioned hope all of you have a fantastic Christmas holiday season. 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Falcons vs Jets - Preseason Week 2

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Falcons vs Jets - Preseason Week 2

"<hes> and hopefully we'll have a much better experience logging onto the game coming up all the records. That's that's a great one <music>. The guys will get to the post game podcast for two thousand eighteen in the preseason season week to atlanta hosting the new york jets. I am w and i'm joined today by one of our writers and the photoshop aficionado of talk of our very own evan burchfield evan how you doing. I'm doing great. We're on eleven game losing streak it. It's it's pretty. That's a pretty stunning statistic when you say out loud at this point. I don't even think it's a bad thing. It's just kinda like weird. It is it is is something else that's for sure eleven and honestly i think if we get twelve thirteen this could be shocking at all <hes> with with with these falcons so <hes> this past thursday night thursday august fifteenth the falcons hosted the new york jets in the technically the second preseason game. It was the third for the falcons since they did play in the hall of fame game to start off the entire n._f._l. Season this one was interesting and i think interesting interesting in a bad way for many people <hes>. Let's start with offense because i think that's what garner line of attention from from fans so <hes> evan just some quick thoughts on what you saw from the offense initially maybe that you didn't like seeing that you did like seeing just it's just a high level thoughts before we dive into some specifics. <hes> matt ryan looked great but also took way too many shots because he offensive garbage <hes> in he continuously took shots in for some reason. They left him out there when i don't know if they were just hoping the offensive tens of line was going to be like okay we see he's getting destroyed back year. Maybe we'll all of a sudden be better but he was thinking way too many shots <hes> even scrambled <hes> <hes> in god in god tackled from behind or whatever and that kind of like gave me that nervousness in my stomach like oh yeah this doesn't count <hes> but the offensive line terrible <hes> what i can remember off the top of my head tyson umbrella looked terrible <hes> west schweitzer there was was one <hes> constantly but there was one it was a flag but like he got knocked on his but in just like everything look bad on that offensive line but i mean that was my major takeaway you know and then obviously the russel gage injury which i'm sure we'll talk <unk> yeah. That's my initial. Take aways <hes> mine aren't going to be two two different. I was frustrated with matt ryan constantly being in this game this meaningless game taking hit after after hit <hes> and i think that the the last series people were just sort of shocked and even bouncers for the game were just like oh matt ryan's back in here like they couldn't believe that <hes> head coach dan quinn he put him back in matt to his credit is tough as nails but this this is not the time to to put that to the test so i was little frustrated seeing that <hes> you mentioned some of the names and we're gonna dive into that here in a little bit. <hes> i want to start with offense. No one talk about players stood out for better for worse. <hes> you know on the positive side on negative side <hes> so evan some names is that stood out on the offense to be first team. It could be second thirteen but let some names you think that really did a good job of elevating themselves selves <hes> in this game on the offensive side <hes> first off. I guess we need to apologize to shop because that first hall of fame he an people even events said <hes> you know that he would get better so i mean kudos to them because they look terrible in that first game but you know he he has he has has bounced back. <hes> also i think <hes> the tide engineering graham was i mean aside from his like hurdle. That was very very impressive. <hes> remember hooper doing that before but <hes> yeah graham looked great i mean there's been a lot of talk about that like tied in battle battle going on between him. Paulson hooper's obviously safe but <hes> he he stood out. I mean he led the team in in receptions in yards in for a tight end to do that. That's a big you know it. It's probably not enough to get him. Concrete it to the roster but it definitely like open some eyes that probably when you've been looking there i mean the team also has alex gray. Who is that guy who is on a part of that international program where he was a <hes>. Excuse me a free practice squad. <hes> what's word income ncdc guy yeah yeah. He didn't count against it but he also couldn't be on your roster in <hes> you know he. I'd like to see more him because i think that's an interesting interesting flying completely under the radar battle at the tight end position because of how you know hooper is quietly. You know incredible at that position position like this. There was talks year. You know in the past two years about hooper. I think he's pretty much shut everybody up but now we're looking at that tied in to spy aw in it's it's getting a little more interesting as the weeks have gone on but i'd like to see greg more action but yeah graham is who really stood out to me. A uh dip stood out team. Yeah i think grandma's is the big name <hes>. He said he'd lead <hes>. He led the entire team receptions. He pulled down four receptions for fifty five yards. <hes> he did have that one sort of spectacular leap where he a hurdle the the defensive player you know impasse blocking he he he struggled <hes> which is not uncommon for a young man especially a tight end that is focused more on receiving <hes> but i think if we got done with this game and my immediate reaction was eric sauber who like he he was that impressive live <hes> he's got to do it against better competition but at the same time we never even saw this kind of performance out of sauber over the past komo two and a half preseason so i think it's fair to say graham has already shown more than we saw from sabra time and i you know i'm <music>. I'm with he has not necessarily cemented his spot on the fifty three man roster <hes> but with logan paulsen sort of competing with luke stocker <hes> <hes> as far as being you know a more of a blocking tight end graham really shows a lot more potential in the long term. It's important to note too that that <hes> you know stalker impulse in her both north of thirty years old so i i doubt the team looks either of those guys and says hey. This is somewhat. We want invest invest long-term capitaland but jagan graham you know he's he's a relatively young guy <hes>. He's only in his second year. He was on the practice squad all of last year. I think this is someone that team likes and he has stood out in training camp too so it's not just been this preseason game. He has stood out in training camp. <hes> i think he is working his way onto the fifty three man roster. He's definitely the you know the person. I was the most impressed with a think we saw a couple of plays as all the calvin ridley that reminded us. It's going to be really good you matt ryan was ten of fourteen and that was with two drops in the offensive line collapsing in on him just like it's a reminder that matt ryan is really damn good and if he doesn't get production and tough so tough and played well even in the face of that so in russell gauge of thought was having a relatively game until he got injured in obviously we're still waiting to hear the feedback on that injury. All we know is that it's related to was hip. <hes> it could be a host of things obviously the worst case scenario korea evan as you mentioned in laris chat would be a dislocated hip which could potentially put out for a long period of time a bruised hip with have mount for few weeks hip flexor flexor injuries or they can vary. We don't know anything yet. I suspect we'll find out later this week but it was sort of disappointing to see him. Go down with injury especially since you know he's really had arguably one of the strongest preseason of any of the offensive players so far yeah that i mean i'm i'm gonna put out. I'm no doctor but i've seen like what hip dislocations look like and he reacted that sorta way where initially like if you watched him on on the film it could have been anything like it wasn't like he went straight for his hip. You could just tell he was in agonizing pain <hes> and then as they were talking onto him you can see the trainers obviously favoring that hip <hes>. I believe it was his left hip because he went up it. Was you know nobody's talking about the pass. He dropped it but i think he dropped it because he probably you know he obviously gave the injury. Yeah yeah get hurt but honestly. I don't know a human the being who could fall on their hip like that not do damage like he got up there. That's the frustrating part is has shown probably the most promise on this whole well. I mean aside from the regular guys like we know ridley's good we know ryan's like they're not surprising us <hes> but gauges the one that's really amongst angst i think the entire offense came out and put on a statement the last three weeks into see him down like that you know by the time <hes> people are listening to this. They may already know what the injury is so <hes> you know but at the time of recording this we have no idea but hopefully it's in some little hip thing now. Keep him out. A couple of weeks will be good to go because you know dislocated hips literally have ruined n._f._l. Careers is in you would hate to see that because he has lashed yeah absolutely <hes> flip side of the ball so offense some guys is who maybe hurt their stock or yes late so poorly that you were pulling your hair out i mean i think the obvious ones mets hymns. I think i could have done a better job and i. I have the alamos respect for n._f._l. Players by bad like he was was was that conference called the american alliance football or whatever it was that right in nets he apparently what do you know what was on the atlanta team. <unk> just us yeah. That's where he belonged. Any should have like not came. I'm back that was it was embarrassing watching him throat but i mean you know now. We've got ethylene so at least maybe you know i just. I'm craving that developmental dental. Obviously nobody's gonna pass matt ryan but it's nice to have a developmental project banker. You know obviously look the part and then got injured so i don't even know licenses on the roster. Maybe just he's friends with people because he came back but i i mean i'm hoping to see like you know. Push him out of there because that look you look bad. I mean his stats are nine for nineteen which you know it's not good not good no good but somehow he played even worse worse than what his stats are saying. I don't know he was wildly inaccurate for touchdown right yeah it was a pick six yeah and it just all night he was he was missing guys <hes> he had opportunities so no i agree and i don't think anyone was counting on that seems to be a a you know anything more than a camp body at this point and you mentioned matt shop earlier i think he's sort of cemented his position again as the backup quarterback which though some fans are really like upset about but it is like i don't see anyone replacing him you mentioned the name earlier nothing on the highlight him because he he stood out in the worst of ways and it was tyson embryo he was he was very very very bad. <hes> at like incredibly that frustratingly bad <hes> he you know we've heard him call the turnstile before and he lived up to that name <hes> he was getting beat by light. Everybody <hes> and it was a you know in this is on the night where several of the offensive lineman struggled jim brown struggled lindstrom struggled lindstrom's of rookies. You expect that to some extent but some brio like i'm la- generally wondering if the team is going to need to take a serious look at putting matt go no out there right tackle because of how bad some braille was <hes> and to put it some perspective on this when i was at training camp in the first weekend of training camp this year sombrero who stood out for those exact same reasons he was getting beaten eaten camp by multiple guys i saw him get beat in like back to back pass sets by vic beasley and john kaminsky and they beat him badly badly. It wasn't something where like they barely got around him. They embarrassed him and i think we saw that on thursday night and it's really concerning <unk> because he looked good at the tail leonard decent good. He looked decent enough at the tail in two thousand eighteen that i think some people thought okay if he can be decent than that's all. Are we really need but he was. He was well below decent. So what do you make of some braille late. Do you think he's <hes> i it feels like he was one of the biggest disappointments disappointments yeah. He definitely just mean a he was getting beat <unk>. I don't know what else i could add to what you were saying. You summed ended up perfectly <hes>. They're going to have to do something because thank god these games. Don't count <hes> do count towards you know what's it's our opening day death chart and roster gonna look like <hes> so i mean he he was still <unk> when mike he was playing high school kids out there or something like you said he was getting beaten camp. He was getting beat against guys who aren't even on this team. He's getting beat. That's the problem in when you have matt ryan back there. It's it's great to have calvin ritalin. Julio jones matt ryan but if you're not able to get the ball out because ryan not to double back on how tuffy offi is but he was taking shot after shot <hes> and it looked. It just looked awful. <hes> in a lot of the reason was because guys like san braila. Were getting just absolutely mauled by. They're going to do something 'cause that didn't gonna fly. I mean when he gets into the regular season season in you look at our schedule in pass rushers were up against like you don't want to see some great logo against a lot of these guys no and he he's a guy that if he's out there and plays like this he will stifle the offense he will be in the bad enough to keep the offense from being successful. Oh yeah definitely name to keep an eye on soup before we dive into the defensive players in who stood out for better for worse <hes> we're gonna take <unk> a quick break. We'll be right back. Hey i'm spencer hall. I'm holly anderson. I'm ryan nanny. 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I do on the highlight the fact that <hes> this is the first game since week three week four where we saw ricardo ellen in kiana neil both dressed in out on the field for for the first time so it was fantastic says he's them to see those guys out there. It was really encouraging. Obviously we want to see dionne jones out there as well but it looks like these guys you know they're obviously this was a game to get some the rust off. It was clear that in both guys were a little bit rusty <hes> but it was it. It was really exciting to see them back out there so evan. What were your thoughts to starting safeties back in actually playing playing in the n._f._l. In an n._f._l. Game it was great it just i think the biggest shock was when you see him walking out of the tunnel in uniform and you can see you know they show it <hes> before the game obviously unlike social digital media and stuff like that nec all suited up and ready to go and it's like i feel like it was just yesterday when you know they they all went down and it was just like soul-crushing soul-crushing so it's a good feeling to to know where you know a couple of weeks away from actually being like in real action being out on the field <hes> i'm looking forward to it really really good to see them back all right. Turn over you. What defensive player or players stood out to you in a positive way that that made a positive impression in this game yeah us out. The tyler davidson looked very good. There was one play specific where he basically like bob. Him weaved his way into the backfield. <hes> in i can do a justice so you'd have to just seen the video but he looked really good <hes> all of a sudden. It's like our defensive tackle. Gap is like very impressive <hes> and then i noticed one thing like sinatra really didn't play a whole lot so i'm kind of curious what's what's going on with that but <hes> yeah yeah but davidson i mean he was the biggest takeaway germain grace was out there getting some more experience and stuff like that and then i thought i saw <hes> alan bailey out there a little bit at i think he was just skied a bit so you know that's that's interesting but yeah i would go davidson. <hes> yeah and to your point snot. He got eighteen snaps total title but he was behind justin zimmer on the depth chart for this game so i know a lot of people are wondering what is up with that and honestly you know we talked about this in our writers chat <hes>. There's a lot that we don't see both as fans and even for those of us who are writers and we get more access. <hes> you know with gina you know being able to cover the practices and whatnot <hes> there's a lot we don't see what he's interesting because i think <hes> you either we haven't seen maybe a ton of development from last year to this year as opposed to some of the guys who are going from your one year or two <hes> i'm with you. Though on tyler davidson he stood out <hes> and i'm actually right now looking at <hes> pro football focus in their defensive grades and he was the highest grade defensive player so good on you evan for for for being in lockstep with fest saw <hes> i think another name that stood out was vic veasley he he had the sack it was it was a legitimate was and he it was based on an inside mu yeah and it was good to see him do something other other than just use the speed rush and <hes> it was like legitimate sackett wasn't a cleanup sock. It wasn't a junk. It was him beating the tackle with with with a good you know inside counter and getting to the quarterback want to see more of that but it was it was nice to see that <hes> yet again <hes> i thought austin in larkin continued to make a case that you know he should get at minimum consideration for the practice squad and we'll just have to you see how the fifty three man plays out but this guy is nowhere like before last week. We didn't even know who austin larkin freaking was and now you know he's he's sort sort of up there and actually those lines. I thought justin zimmer played relatively well at defensive tackle so as you noted added <hes> we've got some really good depth at defensive tackle now whereas i think going into the season while people were thinking oh we need to draft a defensive tackle draft draft oft and it really seems like between davidson jarrett <hes> gosh jack crawford massing. It wasn't even out there. Yeah hagman was injured didn't get to play <hes> justin zimmer as a potential. You know a guy who could jump in front of danger snot. There's there's some really good depth here so definitely agree taller. Davidson may be the best free agent signing so far for the falcons this season season. He looked really getting escape yep. Let's flip the script. <hes> who on defense do you think maybe did not don't have such a great game. <hes> compared to the other guys <hes> i mean nobody really stood out as just not having a great game but you know i mean it's really not like big injuries at least that we know of belie- it's worth noting that casey got hurt in looked like a rib injury generally is it has we are recording this. It was like a day to day so he should be good to go for. That sounds like it was a bruised rib. Not engages level because we don't know what's gauges but they gave some. I'm news on tuesday and then sheffield <hes> on a i believe it was a pint hunt returned or something <unk> sammy <hes> which looked like he pulled it. I don't think he returned to the game did he. He did yes so i mean. That's something to monitor especially for somebody who it his biggest ability is pretty much his speed. I think he was like one of the fastest people in the entire draft. <hes> you kinda hate to see that especially early in pre season but <hes> i mean nobody really jumped out is like being terrible i mean i mentioned this thing where it's kind of interesting but i mean you explained it by. It's still kinda interesting like why isn't there dan. Did you see anybody. You'd who didn't look bad i. I don't think anyone was terrible. I think bleary had a couple of bad plays at a pass interference call against him which was pretty obvious. <hes> rico looked a little bit rusty. He missed some tackles which is to be expected. He hasn't played since week three last year. <hes> and i think you know just some the young guys obviously they're still getting their their bearings about jordan miller. <hes> was one of the corners i think that you know he struggled a little bit here and there but actually the overall. I felt like the defense played pretty decently. They gave up the touchdown drive at the beginning but then they really settled down. I it seemed like you know the next two who series the defense really got their act together. They basically for the most part shut down the jets offense. <hes> you know they we saw them. Generating generating suppressor we saw them defending passes <hes> getting some good tackles thought desmond true font actually had a pretty strong game at least from <hes> <hes> you know the run defense in tackling guys even if he got beaten coverage a couple of times but it really felt like the defense i was a little bit better of the performer compared to the offense <hes> so that's good i feel like that's the unit that more fans were concerned earned about it like. I don't think anyone was really saying hey you know we don't think matt ryan and julio. We're going to get it done this year like the it's. It's like a foregone conclusion asian that that <hes> ryan julio ridley sununu. They're going to be able to put some points up. <hes> i think the question marks were with the defense in anything. The thing that made me feel like the defense is going to be terrible. <hes> you know it feels like splitting hairs to to really drill down on guys like you know bleed awry for for the pass interference and stuff like that. It's like you're you're nitpicking one or two players from each guy <hes> but in total it felt like the entire unit really just played solid so even though you know they. The game ended in loss. It felt good about the defense at the end of this game. <hes> what's your take aac about the the defensive journal that you feel good about it as well or do you feel like there's still some holes. Depend i felt good about it. I think the important thing is to remember is there's been like when when you see certain things happening on along the defense. It's you got to remember. Oh we'll dion. Jones is under there is like we haven't seen the complete package like it all combined. It's like we're looking renting. Imagine you're putting a puzzle together in its like does that look like a finished product known but we got pieces assist put in there like there were holes in you know when they look sloppy. You gotta remember. Some of the starters aren't in there so i mean i'm an optimistic feeling about the defense personally which you know either as a falcons fan. You rarely have <hes> a lot more optimistic than last year you know and that was before known injuries. I just feel like they even getting hurt. You know it's another year of knowledge under their belt even just being around the team and stuff like that <hes>. My expectations are high. You know as long as ks fine. <hes> you know i just feel like this. It's this fine machine. That's ready to go but obviously preseason. You're not gonna have everybody out there but it's nice to see you know neil and stuff get get on the field <hes> even if they're not playing like a full game aamer whatever it's still. It's still nice to know. They're out there getting some some football under their belt ready for the regular season yup. Ricardo both got about twenty twenty one twenty two snaps in that range each so you could tell the coaching staff was trying to get them get some of that rust <hes> worn off in a in to slowly. Get them ready but i think that's also a sign that both guys are gonna be ready for the regular season if they're getting twenty snaps in this preseason game i imagine the next preseason game. We'll see a little bit more a but to me. That is a sign that those guys are going to be ready to go raring and ready so you go by the first regular season game so i think that's really encouraging. I do wanna see how dion jone jones progresses because you know to to your point we haven't seen the full defense on the field yet and it feels like if we would have had him out there that maybe even that first i touchdown drive wouldn't have happened because he's that much of a difference maker in the middle of the defense but even without him out there i it i saw a a lot of things i liked in the interior pressure from defensive tackles vic beasley making a pass rush move for once in his life. <hes> you know some of these guys just really oh you know further down the depth chart who we're going to have to count on at times <hes> either delivering and actually coming through in in the in the game against it's other starters so <hes> don't want to re too much into a preseason game but some of the individual performances did stand out so four wrap this up any final thoughts on this preseason game anything you want to tell the fans a you know as far as calming expectations or anything that sort before we corrupt. I don't wanna take much longer but <hes> the <unk> go on for hours. I can have a long conversation but obviously to vecchio missing those two fifty yards <hes> yes which if you follow me on twitter you know my thought so i'm not gonna dive too much into it but not in the team is committed to him <hes>. I think that that proves it by 'cause i would. If i was running the team i would have ran the phone phone the second <unk> actually i wouldn't even got rid of map ryan but let's pretend i did. I would ride into the phone in call him up and been like. I'm sorry i'm so so sorry. Please come back you know he'd you broke up with some vitamins like i don't know i'm hesitant to let go because has yet preseason but i think that usually applies more to like offense and defense when you're kicker. You're just kicking the ball. I don't think when you you enter the regular season at all of a sudden becomes like okay now matter so i need to make this like i mean what the first in fairness the first one was walked in that but they you know he missed the second one it went. I think we'll wide left or something so it doesn't give me a good feeling definitely because you know falcon fans. We've been literally spoiled with <unk> always knowing oh get into field goal range because matt brian nine will just make it a more win where the fans are going to if the team goes this route because i mean i think most of the fans love matt bryant. The reason he's done on the team is money <hes> because it was supposed to get paid three million and then also you got a hamstring injury even though like he came back and kicked in the game against the buccaneers in the last week and <hes> his age which i don't see such a big deal because we literally had more dangerous than out third like fifty or something so to me that's not a big deal but <hes> i know certain people are against it and that's fine but the thing those those fans will have to to get used to this season is like i said when we get no situations where the offense just isn't going to score because we know how this team if you've been panel on time you know how the team is where they're fine you know when when it really matters the offense can struggle you know we have a new offense coordinator or not a new one but rejoining joining us <hes> dirk koetter by you know. It's going to be those situations. Where in the past you. You never really got that in like you would get nervous. Obviously because you wanna wind if matt bryant makes it but you would have that thing in the back of your head telling you know he's gonna make you had outmost confidence. Now is going to be a little different because <hes> <hes> you know with tim vecchio. He missed in the hall of fame game. Correct me if i'm wrong but i believe a fifty four yarder in last night was two you fifty two yards obviously like i said one of them was disrupted by defender. I don't know whose fault that is. <hes> by you know when we get into those fifty ranges his any kicker can make <hes> you know twenty to thirty or they should be able to. That's that should be the job of the kicker but when you get to those fifty that's where you decide. Who's who's going to win that game in it something we've all of us have taken advantage of the last decade <hes> with matt ryan being so automatic. I mean you know some people will tell you. He's the <unk> most clutch kicker in n._f._l. History is definitely ace most accurate <hes>. It's going to be a rude awakening because does when it comes even if even if the back of their head they're like him. We shouldn't have got rid of matt bryant. I don't think the upper management's going would would admit failure <unk> air be like being back definitely go down with their chip because you know some people even before the season saying they're on the hot seat whether they are high with problems say no but you know we don't know what's going on behind the scenes but they're not going to admit failure air after three three preseason preseason games but <hes> right now the game storm matter so to vecchio. 's mrs aren't like they're not a big deal. I'm just saying once once we get into those regular season gains in if he's still doing this. You know it's going to it's <unk>. Fans are gonna revolt. They already seemed to be on twitter twitter. At least oh yeah well. They'll be. I mean they may be like walking up to the castle but they'll be thrown stuff. You you know these end but <hes> i mean i don't wanna take up more time but that's that's my initial thought on that. Is you just gotta you know if he's the quarterback kicker of the future. You gotta be patient with him when he misses those kicks. You gotta be okay. You know we lost again again. You missed the kick but that's what you signed up for when you got rid of the eighth most accurate kicker in n._f._l. History because of you think he's too old though yeah now i think that's a great point the two misfield goals do you know i think fans are rightfully concerned and it's definitely something to keep. Can i on because it's <hes> you said perfectly. We got spoiled with a kicker who was a crazy accurate and clutches. They come and honestly you know. There are worse kicks in league <unk>. Ask the bears <hes> how how bad the kicking situation can get <hes> you know they they literally sold their playoff hopes completely dashed purely by the kicker <hes> so it's i think can still pull it together but he really needs. He's pulling together quickly before we get into some of the games that count so <hes> get into your point. It's it's one of the things that <hes> until we actually you get to <hes> the the regular season <hes> and interfacing this head on <hes> folks are going to need to be patient like said it's <hes> <hes> he is not going to be matt bryant and we're all going to have to live a bag because i think you're exactly right. The falcons confront office. They're going to commit to to tobacco this year for better for worse and it could be young hopefully not but it could be some painful. People sledding in the meantime has ryan in when you think about it. Ryan and brian probably have one of the most underrated connections in falcons l. consistory just because of i mean how many games meant <unk> matt ryan gets credit for winning which he obviously earned because he's best quarterback in the n._f._l. History and got engaged got map right into field goal range but also matt bryant mrs those kicks in. I did article on it. You can go back in binded minded. It's there on the foul somewhere but <hes> man ryan won so many games for the falcons which you know he. He's not always going get credit for it but they they had a neutral. They benefited each other. Where now you know the offense. The offense is the best in the league. It's not going really matter. It's just i've been a falcons fan long enough to see where they would get. You know we'd be losing okay. Let's get into field goal range for matt ryan ryan date. They're gonna have to get closer now because fifty fifty and over isn't automatic when that bryant tore his pull these hamstring hamstring <hes> last year. I believe it was on a fifty seven yard that he ended up making so he did make it yeah. I mean like that's what i'm saying is you. You know like i can't remember off the top of my head by vecchio made i believe eight. Was it a twenty four yard or something. In this game in that's fine but those are kickers mate what you separate the great kickers from the normal kickers you know in the league is when you get to that high forties over over fifty range because normal kickers are automatic at fifty. It's just were so used to it like up to fifty fifty two yard field goals else missed is normal normal kickers but if bryan did it. We'd all be like whoa what's going on here but that's normal you know as much people want to you know he's only twenty nine years old. He's a young kid but that that that's not something kickers do fifty two yard field goals. That's not automatic automatic anymore and we're gonna have to get used to that absolutely so on that note. We're wrapping up this podcast casts covering the jets game the preseason game we will be back next week as the falcons take on their third preseason game again the mercedes benz <unk> stadium and hopefully we'll have a much better experience. Lock the game coming up all the records. That's that's the great one so evan solar listeners where they can find you what you've got going on <hes> you can find me at the falcon writing whatever i don't. I don't know if the top of my head right now. I mean i got my. I actually had a map brian. <hes> vecchio article came out today which is available on and the falcone dot com. You can read that anytime in. I appreciate you having me on here for me. Guys <hes> you can find me on the twitter n._f._l. 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The Falcoholic Live: Ep123 - The Falcons can beat the Saints

The Falcoholic

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The Falcoholic Live: Ep123 - The Falcons can beat the Saints

"Alcohol ick podcast listeners. Welcome to another episode of the falco. Hollick live now available in audio only format before we get to the show. Just want to remind you that you can catch. The alcoholic live live on youtube at eight ten pm eastern on wednesday nights. And if you're interested we also have a post game show that goes live right after the games on sunday or whatever date happens to be played so we hope you enjoy this episode and we hope to see you on youtube. If you're available thank you and enjoy the show fellow falcon hollick's what is up. Welcome to episode one. Twenty three of the faculty live. I'm of course your host. Kevin knight joined by two illustrates co host. This evening first off. Eric robinson is on twitter at underscore eric underscore robinson eric. How're you doing tonight. Look pretty good. And i'm going to get her boys back on the field. This sunday against a hated english rival hated the most hated. Yes prime yeah. I mean the other division rivalries. They just don't hit the same you know like just don't so they're they're flows there. I called them division foes the right division quote. we're rivals. There's nothing we respectable. Yeah so we say. We are facing the saints to speak in his hate week. Also joining us. Evan burchfield at the very easy to remember at a burst field on twitter. Evan how are you doing tonight Great yeah just to piggyback off of eric You know hate week or whatever you wanna call. It's always exciting You know you hate the saints more. Because like if this you see the saints in panthers playing or the saints in buffs playing favoring the other team like i want the bucks or panthers to win always want the saints lose especially like i don't care belt draft picks whatever always want the falcons beat the saints so It and i think what's special about this rivalry is you. It doesn't matter what the records are They always play each other tough for whatever reason so yeah. Let's get to this. Oh yeah let's get into it. Yeah before we get started guys just reminder. You don't mind throwing awake. White at video helps other folks on youtube. Find us in all the really hard core people here all right to being a show so i. I almost certain that everyone of you are subscribed. But if you're not a subscribe button help us out you'll get notifications when we go live and all that good stuff. We appreciate that to sit up a little box over here to thank our donors as well so All you guys listed there appreciate all you guys have been donating to sport the show On the topic of the patriot. I promise that is coming. The discord is coming in fact. I invited some alcoholic. Vip's into the discord. So they can. Attest test does discord does exist in some deep History it israel. But we're working on it so thank you to all of you. That are asked about that. But yeah let's let's get into before we get to the saints because that's the topic of the evening. Let's get into the news of of Yesterday i guess which was tech mckinley getting wage by the bengals strong takes about tack. All this show last wednesday. I assume reactions about him getting waved by the bengals. Due to a failed. Physical will be equally hot. Eric as our resident tech. Mckinley prognosticator Let you have the i i. Well it's a title that we've only had for the last two weeks. But you've you've heard it buddy. Get it man. Nothing surprise me honestly. Been some rumors floating around saying that he deliberately vale is physical Just again being able to have another side at a team on the west coast. Get closer to home. Ooh who knows and even if that is true again is not much of a surprise. Nashes who is. This guy carries an ego as if he's in elite talent and inquired you quite honestly so claim apparently by the niners Galaxy niners You know what and for anybody that wants to continue to say that he the balkans and he warned. Nothing is going to prove anything until he puts that jersey in basilan get their bill. Tilden has improved a damn thing. So far he's wind his way out of atlanta got cincinnati builders. Musical was doesn't surprising because the injury history in hours in san francisco the web. Well you know. Like i mean honestly i. It seems like he's doing all the wrong things but it's working out for him. So i mean i guess. More power to him. If that i mean i wouldn't necessarily want to play in cincinnati. I mean i guess. At least with joe burrow. I think there is hope for the future and i think who was zac taylor the head coach there right so it's not like they're total dumpster fire anymore but i think he really wanted to go to a winner which i don't know why. What to san francisco because it's not like they're way much this year but i mean yeah it's weird the whole situations weird i. I just don't believe in rewarding people who complain. You know like rewarding. The guy that yells allowed us like that. That doesn't really promote good things for your team and like clearly. He had to go from atlanta because remorse doesn't strike me as a guy that's just like cutting bait with people for no reason so clearly he had to go for one reason or another and you know who knows what kind of pat like compensating typically would have gotten i probably would have been minimal if anything like for the record if we got like a seven for him as pick. It's unlikely it actually would have stuck because if you look at the cockpit formula this year people need to remember that only the top thirty two complex work. If if there's more than thirty two they get cancelled so all of the seventh round complex. You have been canceled already. So there are no seventy complex this year because there's too many early one so like we probably wouldn't have gotten anything at that point which is why i probably would trade it him for literally anything just awful at the salary at this point but hey what can we. What can we say. What can we do is that we can who even had offers or barclays or evening worked listening to. Yeah i mean. Sarah said they had offers. I mean we don't know what those offers look like. I mean it might have been like you know conditional seven who knows but like that's not okay like we're we're really really up in arms over that. Yeah i mean it's not super worth like getting out of shape over but you know it's i think it's more compounded with like the failure to move players last year when they really shouldn't have which i understand now i would also understand if they legitimately deemed have a third or fourth round. Pick on the table and they said no. I will completely now i that would change my perception on everything. I will look at that and say cave. S best ludwick is why he did when if honestly. I don't think just knowing how. I think i don't think team was that who is enough to offer a third and four or a guy with his injury history and lack of production. I most that they probably got was a sticks. Maybe a set of be quite honest with you. That's what were were were crying about. Is who cares. Can you remember the seven zero five. Come on now. That would that's out of two thousand twelve. Say i think the only good player for the two thousand twelve months. Were not really want to get that much or him. Any right it jack. Rogers i think was the seventh round pick fighters who i think is still in the nfl. Just not the fads. I started game recently for some team. I don't want you dead yeah. He started for denver because of their depth point but who yeah brutal brutal. But yeah i mean it is what it is like eight year. I agree with their. It probably would probably talking mid mid day three at best like fifth round. Pick ceiling at most likely six to seven. So we're not talking about a massive amount of compensation here And with someone picking someone picking up him up off waivers. We do get the cap relief which isn't much like a million. Maybe probably less at this point. So like It's it's a little bit explained this to me we did get that cat reliefs when the bengals did right i think i think when he was picked up the bengals took like when you claim someone off waivers you claim their contract so i think we were on the hook for any like signing bonus but any base salary that was left the bengals would take on it. I think that was maybe like a million dollars or something. So yes the bengals took on that contract by whom field. I mean it might have been but then the forty niners claimed him. I think so So then the forty niners will take on the contracts so either way. I think it's a bit works so so so so the bengals didn't lose. I'm still trying to figure out his works to. Yeah it's complicated. With the waivers long attendant or alone you cabinets. Not so no lost so to lose anything. They took on his contract. He go to physical. Let him go scot-free they're good. Has we right. Yeah i think. Because he like. I don't think the claim was official until he passed his physical so so then he re hit waivers again in the forty niners picked him up big. That's basically what we're looking at so Yeah do you have any takes on that whole tax situation Not really i mean. There's not much more to add. I think it's just a sad situation for the talent that could be your When you see players just kind of like you said crying. Their way out Rarely turns out you know beneficial to them anyways but I don't know you're going from angles. And then failing and then golden forty niners who their season seems like. It's pretty much over. With how many injuries they have But you know whatever happens happens it. It's out of our hands now and you know we look towards our own roster I think it's it's insane though because it's like this team just don fowler on covid now. Obviously that's you know not like an injury it's just got co you know. Probably groner whatever But it's like now. We're down to what charles harris and stephen means in. I guess kaminsky. Ob out there and stuff like that. So maybe we'll see more Depth guys. I know there are some guys on the practice. Squad like austin edwards. He was called up. undrafted free agent. He was called up for one of the games but he only played one snap in. He graded pretty well on. Pf so maybe one staff was killer. Yeah yeah. I mean. I'd like to see more but i mean why not at this point But it just kinda sucks for the fans because literally if he was just you know better than average like. We've been begging for some sort of pass rusher since john. Abraham like we've seen flashes where lake that one season where vic beasley was you know led the league in saxes like a lot of people love beasley that season We just want some like a good pass rusher and it seems like every time we get our hopes up from one. They burn us in some fashion. You know say what you want about vic beasley in not caring about football and stuff But at least he didn't go out trying to trash the franchise in canada. You know being a joker towards it now you were. he's tact he literally tweeted trying to be funny. I guess but it just to me. It's just immature. And i guess. I'm just at that age down where it's time to like. Why do like how do you think this is gonna look good to other teams. From where like he tweeted you. Know when the falcons cut him like thanks to the city of care phrasing you can look it up. But it's like thanks to the city of atlanta and stuff like that and then he said the same thing about cincinnati's as exit like the exact same thing inserted a couple of words or whatever It just kind of childish to me and it's like like if you're going to act that way at least be good at what you're doing in i like i. Just whatever the good luck to the forty niners by I'm kinda glad. We're beyond that situation. And i'm proud of remorse for doing that because you know i think it speaks volumes that they just kept giving him more chances to do stuff in you know. Obviously dealing with a groin injury. The stuff doesn't help. But britain morris you know. We don't know what was going on behind the scenes but the writing was on the wall when he started trashing amman. Twitter irina. Moore's just booted him and you know that's that pretty much so yeah it's it's a shame You know considering that he was such like a celebrity when he got here and i think everyone was super excited from his leg draft stuff. But i mean even even that you know. It's like a great story. Only get you so far and pointed out you know. The team is is not a zip. The team you know didn't pay him when he earned a particular salary or you know. The team forced him back from injury and he wasn't healthy. No the team looked out. You know in an knows worked for seasons three and a half seasons of whatever the team it their best they could to make him be as good as he can. He did as healthy. Winning was on the field. He didn't he didn't produce like this. This team saturn hands when it came to finding free agents and drafting or signing edge. Washers that free agency or drafting other recovery warming him yet. He can't get in looking looking back at you know how he got pissed win. They declined his fifth year. Option like thank god. They did that like. Can you imagine just like what we know. Now like in hindsight it's like thank goodness. They learned their lesson. Are there people. And i wanna say names but therapy what you guys probably know who they are. But they're people believe that the falcons could avoid it by just giving him the option which would have been a rule using it would have been a terrible move like wide. They learn from the beasley situation so they said tax. You're not good enough for fifth year. Option you're not giving me. That was the right move. I don't definitely yeah. I mean you. Can't you have to earn the fifth year option. It shouldn't just be the key. I think he assumed that he was going to get the fifth year option. I don't know why you never assume that. But that's what he soon. So i mean like don't ever assume that you're going to just get a fifth year option because that's a ton of money and you know more libya some of some guys nowadays getting we're they're entitled to every dollar that they asked him and this reduction based especially when you're first rounder. The that kind of confidence where you're like. Oh yeah i'm the shit because you're the first rounder bradfo. Yeah that's not gonna work. It's not gonna all you have to actually be good. Yeah and maybe takami good if maybe if he was healthy the whole four i four years year maybe he would have actually produced at a higher level and maybe he would have got the fifth year option. But like i can't do. We can't do anything about the fact that you couldn't stay healthy. He could probably do much about that either. Unfortunately so you have to. You have to go out there and earn your money you know. No one's gonna give it to you know. Nfl teams are going to play ball when you're acting like a brat and like It's just that's not a way to be. And you know maybe it'll work out for san francisco. We'll see but i don't. This attitude generally does not lead to career longevity. So that is. I mean who would have thought lake you know going into last year. It's like our two top pass. Rushers were tacked mckinley vic beasley and like both of them are currently will actually said tack claim but you know for the moments both of them were without a job very next season And bounced around to two different teams because vic beazley's No longer with the titans in. I think i saw it. He was visiting the raiders. I mean that just speaks volumes about the you know constant failures of the falcons and getting some sort of pass rush. Because this isn't normal like for your edge rusher to just be like well. They're gone now and it's like well we're down to. You know charles charles hairs who you know as look good and stuff but we got him for what like a seven. I wasn't a seventh round. Pick from the dolphins and stephen means who deal with injuries and stuff. But we'll see you know if he's getting more obviously more playing time but how much more reps he's gonna get in you know it's just like sad at this point just keeps happening. Gotta do something do something you we got folks at asking about updates on brees the saints. So let's go ahead and transition into some saints talk as it is. Hey week we know folks want to hear about eight weeks. So yeah the saints are. Banged up You know going into this match up. The falcons are getting them at a kind of time of transition. Like they're going to be without freeze for probably two to three weeks at least You know he's got the broken ribs they say in three weeks he also has a punctured lung. You should not be playing football with a punctured lung. Sorry like that may take a lot longer than they're letting on and they just don't want to be really forthcoming about that. I mean allegedly breeze had broken going into this game and they didn't disclose it that could be potentially. Or i mean i mean you don't believe that okay i mean i don't i don't dislike i. I believe the same absolutely lie on their injury report. Like this is the saints. We're talking about how. I'm also not a impartial source. You've made you mean seven or nine games. He played with the he played at. Some point was a broken rib and it didn't affect them at all in any other game until now. I assume it happened between last week. And like between the last game and this guy and this most recent game not that he had it all season where he may not headed all season but they made it seem as if i guess the report that came out was that he played games with it. So that's telling me he might have had alleged might have had is needed before the bucks game. Now you want to bring it up. It was like oh yeah that also happened. That's not an excuse for his poor play. Okay honestly it's like maybe we'd rather see brees. Because he's i mean he's been is usual self in terms of short passing and he can facilitate that offense still very well coordinated very well run but he absolutely cannot push the ball downfield that really limited the saints offense and you know it was nice to see as a falcons fan that saints offense. Pretty much hamstrung So we'll see we'll see what happens with all that this week but yet this is new attacking style defense that That were he. Moore's is putting together our to see this against breeze who's a stationary passer. He can't again move now. Mobile not going anywhere. You think kiono your bliss and deebo you glisten. Woken glisten even Oliver at times they won't get back there. I would have liked to see that against against briefs. yeah Like i said like it might have been a better overall matchup. But i mean we're gonna get winston this week. I know sean. Payton's being coy about it. But we're getting davis winston like yet. James whitson will be the quarterback the falcons face on sunday. You absolutely if your tastes them. Hail is not going to be there star. That was a complete lie. Okay if anyone who believed that. They gave him the money so really. They just lied to themselves really but they didn't let them start the second half. I know that's what i'm saying. Like i don't know what the hell this is. All about. but clearly he's not their backup and they paid him eighteen million for some reason but it wasn't to be their backup quarterback. I guess it's to be sean payton's favorite toy. So whatever i guess. That's a great use of money. When you're like eighty million an over the cat guys saints do you But yeah i mean. It's going to be james. Listen it's there's probably going to be a little bit of a different offense that we're gonna see from nora. There's probably gonna be more like what. The facts are used to seeing from new orleans in terms of janus janus winston being aggressive. I think well. I might have been going to the second. Half of the forty niners saints. You know you go back to their first drive first couple of dress with missing winston on the field you know is still seemed like brees was playing because a lot of the calls for him or short methodical passes they really didn't attack the He was he was connecting. I think we start off like six six something like that. Yeah it was still. The opposite still looked the same so ordering like okay is are they just really trying to get get him going with these quick. Ask when you have a new starting quarterback. We want to wall outer bands. So he can catch. Where is that in case or are we really looking at saints offense. That were quarrel. Cusack quarterback this is their offense. They don't attack the i. I'm i'm starting to wonder if that is the case. Because they didn't look that way for i two or three jobs in the second half they. They didn't make any changes. They just put winston out there dump off the comoro slant here quick out here is it was. It looked the same yet. I'm curious about that. What do you. What do you think avenue. Think they're gonna try to limit winston because they're afraid he's gonna turn it over if they kind of unleash him in the offense or do you think they're going to kind of adapt a game plan this week. Nah i kind of think what eric saying is correct I think their offenses just built to be kinda short and then let it turned into stuff because of you know they can throw to kamara out of the backfield. They can bring in some hill and do those like ridiculous up. The guy runs that for some reason. Get a first down i. It's mostly confusing thing ever like. I'll see him come into a game regardless if they're playing some hill lines up. you know. there's a ninety percent chance he's just going to run up the middle and then he does it and it gets a first down every time. I don't understand it The one thing that stood out to me was like i thought last week Usually it maybe. It's just not with the saints but usually when you a new quarterback comes in. They tend to lean on their tight ends a lot in in the falcons are like literally the worst against tight end. So this'll be a match up to watch out for but He didn't even throw it. Like jared cook had zero catches last week when winston. So that'd be something to monitor. Because i was jared cook was like pretty good even though he's like messed up lately but Usually lead on the tight ends and it seems like that's not what their offense was doing anyway. So yeah i think that in the falcons have been pretty decent lately. You know with stopping the run. So maybe he's forced to throw deep I believe trade on smith is like their deep deep guy And he's he was on the injury report used in okay so he didn't practice So that'll be something to monitor. But i think you know they're just kinda you've got emmanuel sanders who usually go short In obviously michael thomas. that's all he's good. I mean he's a shell so right now. He is not healthy. He's yeah yeah so. That's pretty much what i would expect them to do. And i honestly think that's gonna would benefit the falcons like you know it'd be to be determined but yeah yeah i agree not stretching our secondary out that you know obviously is going to help us though right. Yeah i mean it would be good if they were able to keep the game in front of them and keep it short. It's just yeah it's i. I don't want them go deep on this sector. I mean the thing with jameson. If that were to happen like he's liable to make mistakes especially in an office that he's probably not familiar with. I mean he's been there but like he's practicing with the scout teams practicing with the second-string you know. How much experience does he actually have. Throw into all of these receivers you know. I don't know i'm sure. He has some level of familiarity. And help get to practice this week but Yeah it's a. I'm more afraid. I i guess of winston if he's unleashed but winston dink dunk. Offense is not a good fit for him like he's just it's like his. Accuracy is not really his strong suit. His his best trait is how he can kind of get out on the perimeter like evade pressure and just makes them crazy place like that's really his thing. So if you've got him constrained as like a game manager type. That's really not his game roy decision making also is what's always questioned him. I went out. I'm i think this week. The approach should be of course to steal attack. And we're listening they'll get you Be an engine of. Don't i want these these blips to be literally as as disguise awesome. Yeah not your hand with him because he is able to read defenses and he's able to make the right wrote that thing that always gets james is when he has to make thought adolescent make a quick reaction after snap. Yeah that will usually james and normally when that happens he throws a pick. You take hold onto the ball too long or or think things when you forced him to come off that i re- and you're forcing him that if he's looking for man and he seems zone and i read is gone. That's where you want damon. because normally he's like okay well he's he's panicking a little bit easier. That next read and then next read is usually triple cover though That's that's the one thing they need to do. Also he really utilizes titans a lot in tampa so this week might be too weak to kinda keep wilder. Definitely the game plan on stopping. Jared cut but that they needed to do that every time they played the saints in that hasn't worked out super well. want to get into a stance another five dollars brother. Thank you so much. We really appreciate your support. So george says as much as i love breeze the person. I'm so glad he's not playing sunday. Falcons are gonna make the playoffs baby. I knew it just win baby seriously though we really going to screw up our draft pick stupid. Yeah i mean this is what this team does man like. They play terribly. Think that okay. Well it's bad but like maybe at least we'll get a good pick and then they just win a bunch of meaningless game at the end of the year. And then you know we don't get the pick so that is basically it looks like released at least got a good player with that sixteen overall pick like aj terrell. He's been the best rookie corner so far. Looks very promising. So like you can still get a very good player at sixteen. It's yet to be a little more crafty with that. You know it's not gonna be the consensus top guy so we get an inner drastic slot near draft. Policemen right now is is not. It's not an ideal draft or what they can use right now with the projections and the way things are going. They were similar sitting at the tip. Pick right now. They were able to pick. I think they'll have. They have number quarterbacks. Choose from yet. That's really a great needful way. Yeah i mean. I guess it depends away. You think of what you wanna do with oliver It probably depends on the new head coach. You know and the new schemes and all this stuff. I don't think corner would be like the worst pick for them. But i don't think any was any one of us would be discouraged by giving my pat ser tan right yeah farley can. I mean those are won't to me. I feel like we all know what the true needs. We need edge. We need but yeah. It's it's a weird class. I'm wondering you know is we need a lot of guys opted out a lot of guys have underperformed very many games. It's a real crapshoot so but if you if you wearing we'll get certain in you knew like he was going to be you know a starter for the next. What eight years or so. Yeah mom and knowing how terrell is i mean having to guys late that all of a sudden Need elite pass rush. You just need you know better than what we're used to register average you know all of a sudden having guys like that i mean will elevate those guys But you know i. It's kind of up in the air right now I do you know i. I'm more concerned with how free agency is going to go. Just because of how our capri ms and stuff like that so maybe they will go the cheap route in look towards the draft just because they can't obviously sign a bunch of big named guys. I mean hell. They already paid fowler. What is eighteen million or something. It's a lot. Yeah it goes up on to but yeah we're going to get some draft picks. I promise people on twitter. 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We really appreciate day for anyone. That's not subscribe de-subscribe. Really appreciate that as well. But yeah i mean in terms of the saints matchup like the facts are. This is not the saints of last year. Your four like this is a team. That is certainly competitive. But they're not dominant they. They beat the forty niners but the forty niners are like the most injured team. The nfl like that team is a shell and they beat up on a bucks team that apparently just becomes like turns into a pumpkin and prime time which is not good. If you're trying to be a playoff contender so that was just the we a weird game where they the bucks just completely folded in that one Outside of that they've not been all that impressive and without breeze who knows Trae quant smith like we said not playing or at least injured at this point. I think the belief is that he's unlikely to play. So they're going to be limited in the receiver core with michael michael thomas on the injury report but i mean he's not healthy. He's just not really doing much. Emmanuel sanders is a good player. He's getting up there in age. He's mostly a short target at this point. Alvin kamara was obviously awesome. But like you know. Is he going to be enough like i. Guess the forty niners who have a backup quarterback and almost no healthy weapons on the entire team like they're like what their fourth or fifth string running back at this point the team like shut down and they can do whatever they want. I mean they were able to coast in the second half without breeze. But you know the falcons offense is probably going to be back to full health with cowan. Ridley really was limited today but you know a fairly good sign for his eventual availability. The falcons are ready to go babe. They've had success in the past against the saints. Defense and the saints defense isn't as good as it has been in past years. So this is a unit the falcons could put up points on and when the saints are behind they are completely different t they they are not team that is built to really come from behind this year again with the defense struggling with offense really restricted. We'll see what happens there. But what's your overall thoughts on. This matchup. eric. Do you think that the falcons do have the advantage going into this one for a change. Well i yeah. I think we can say that You know this is really. This is probably going to be the first time you know all year that this offense is completely healthy across the board. You know we've seen starting from that dallas game you know. We saw injuries at certain spots on authors cider ball from julio rally. So we'll we'll see how that goes. I think right now in this particular situation that this team you know. They're not only the healthy but they got a little rest So i had my wonderful adding. Haven't been it's keep thinking about gert cutter while dirk obviously is not advantage. But you can't spend that. Yeah i can't really say that they do. I can't really say they don't do like their matchups in the spots in this in this game I will say this is a really good saints run defense so if anybody's out there hoping that they're able to put up one hundred forty three yards on this. Thanks on the on the ground like they did. Not last year probably not going to happen this week. And they're probably gonna have to win with the armament ryan now saying he needs to throw the ball forty times game. Boy they're probably that s that aspect of the office was probably won't have to win. Yeah and that. That's a better match up pretty much universally i mean. The falcons aren't really a great running off anyway and they never really will be under cutter aforementioned but yeah i mean i. I agree with you there like on paper. I think the falcons have a better shot in this match. Most people probably think based on record The saints are injured. They're making a quarterback change quarterback changes of traditionally not been something. That's been good for the falcons at least with this when they get to plan for it for a week as opposed to happening mid game but really. That's the biggest wildcard is like. What does sean payton do with winston like. Does he make a difference does does he make a change as he changed the way. The offense works force with stint play. Conservative i don't think like we said like i don't think when since it good fit for a game manager type of role i think he thrives when allowed to kind of run free but that's also his biggest weakness because he doesn't make great decisions with the football so You're kind of damned if you do damned if you don't winston but i think that's the only way you win with him like i mean unless you think you're just going to dominate the other team with your defense but you know cam jordan also. Dmp today so you know their pass russia's not benefactor even with cam jordan in there so it'll be maybe maybe we'll see kale mcgarry shut him down again. That was fun time. But yeah i mean i just. I don't think this is a great match for the saints. The falcons do have an advantage in terms of going into it. More healthy coming off a bye. They're kind of catching their biggest rival at a very opportune moment Do you think that's enough for them to be able to actually come away with the win here. Yeah and honestly it's like. I wanna believe in remorse. Because he should be for no since taking over now. He's had a bye week to prepare for the saints So like give him the benefit of the down. Just hope some happens in honestly. It's like it's kind of scary. But i actually feel confident going into this game. Where the falcons have a realistic chance. will they shatter that in lose probably thirty to ten. Yeah i mean probably like. I feel like for some reason. I can't explain it. I feel good going into this game. everybody you know. Do the Injury report for the foul colic every day during the season and this is the healthiest day. I've seen which he would hope coming off a bye week but the only person who didn't practice Who isn't on a cove list was magano. Who's just got like an illness or sickness or whatever So you know this is far. More healthy than saints are They've had two weeks to kinda prepare for this game Yeah i mean. I'm i'm you know i shouldn't be but i'm kind of excited for this game. Yeah just kind of like what. 'cause we know you know under dan quinn or whatever how. This kind of would go play with remorse. I'm going to see what kind of preparation in if it pays off. You know when you have this extra time joined by odd on each on non joining us a little late. He did warn us ahead. Of time is this is okay folks on had permission to show up late. Okay you talked to the teacher on. How are you doing tonight on on doing well. Are we talking about by weeks. This is a great opportunity for me to shit on dan for losing up every by week. Yes i was actually just about to do that. You take over with that one you know and give us if this was a normal by week way. If david is still the head coach what would you expect this week. Well considering the fact that a few years ago we came off or by week loss to a to a dolphin team who's special teams coach was was doing rails blow. It would've been in fairness to give quyen credit. I think we came up by week and beat the saints last year. So that was that was after. We made those defensive changes where dan quinn opted not be the playcaller anymore but man. It was so rough All those years just like you have the week off. You're expecting something of something great from the team the next week. And then it's like you know they come out superfly. I have no idea what they were doing on those by weeks. Hopefully it'll be different this year with our humour. That's the big question right like ken. Ken morris do something that quinn really struggle with which was actually used by effectively. Come out completely flat after it. So i'm hopeful we'll see what happens there But yeah i mean. Yeah we were just talking about this matchup like it seems like on paper that the falcons probably should be favored. They're healthier. you know. They have some favourable matchups like new orleans. Secondary has been underperforming you know they. They haven't been as nearly as dominant on defense. The offense has been pretty mediocre. So like at the falcons can get a lead in this game. The saints are really a team that is not built to kind of come back and that's already been them several times this year. So the falcons penchant for getting out to you know big early lead might actually work out pretty well in this game in my opinion. But we'll see if they can do it but yeah. These games are always weird to latte first game last year like Defense was a dumpster fire and they just held the saints so like no point points. I i stick specs. Yeah as you guys know what the sprint for this game were there. only it. Only four and a half point. Favorites was there is a lot for team. S in first place and what a half a game out abs. The number one seed get the team that was owned by data in fairness. They are missing their star quarterback well star but either missing their quarterback in there like the walking dead after all after their brutal game against san fran lawsuits and to be honest. Remember a few months ago when we were breaking down the schedule which is what we do in the middle of the dead period and like like april. Yeah i remember remember. I said that. Oh yeah they have that big game against the san francisco forty niners. That's going to be a brutal games can be a physical game in. I mean it was in fairness i did. I wasn't expecting the forty niners to be with all their second-stringers but it was still a physical game and it ended up. Working in the falcons favor in a way the entire schedule did with in regard to the saints. Because we're coming off a bye week. Last year i think the saints had ah by week eight as well. This year. they had the The forty niners and the second match against the saints. They're coming off a west coast trip in denver while the problems will be at. Yep yeah i mean. This is our best chance at the saints bizarre. Best chance to get to to get that win to avoid the sweep and potentially pull office later so yeah like. I'm sorry. I was just gonna say it feels like arthur blank slip the schedule makers like a one five spot. Yeah yeah river. A reported out you know in a scheduled release show that this was not to pay attention to this because of the fact that they were getting thousands by in your plan. Now we didn't say it at the niners injured them but we felt like this game against the niners was going to be physical one just like it was last year in behold it was it might have cost them some key players so in as an owner again keeping minor coming off a trip to denver yet. Warplane him again so planning at altitude at tires you out a little quicker so you never know that that next game may equa bat start and yet sacramento exactly and like the saints like. That's that's the thing with this saints. He that's different for previous saint. Seems like previous saint seems like they had like two thousand eighteen twenty nineteen. They had this great defense and they weren't really limited offensively infecting like twenty eighteen. They were explosive. Two thousand nineteen. We started see the decline of breeze. They were a little bit more conservative. But like this year. They're not explosive anymore. I mean maybe with james that changes. I guess we'll see but like this is not an offense. That's capable of really closing down a big deficit. It in a hurry. Like they're completely dependent on alvin kamara in that. Run game you know. They're dependent on dumps. That's good for long sustained drives but that's not the way to win if you're behind by a lot so you know if they do have a slow start in a couple of weeks to after that west coast game like that. If the falcons get up sixteen points. They're they're less likely to blow it against a team built like this. I mean you probably could say that for the bears. The bears were explosive offense and they blew that one. But that was quinn so here. So maybe maybe we can You know forget about that but yeah we'll have to mark asking you think the sweep and like i mean they can. Obviously they have to win this game. I and you know we'll see but it's very difficult to be an nfl team twice and three weeks really like what we saw a picture. Perfect example in two thousand fifteen when we got our brains beaten up in carolina thirty seven zero and and they were fifteen no two or forging no two weeks later and we beat them in atlanta. So it's it's very difficult end. That's why i think it'll be a split either way from listen but however if we win this game i will height myself up in two weeks and i'll be screaming. Sweep on the live. Show for our so. It's just fair warning and same thing with the bucks as well. Yeah this would make it would make my season. I don't just just like yeah. I mean it would just be nice. It's always nice the same just like last season. It was the same exact area one win. That's all here. Don't they can lose every other game the rest of the year but if they give one window seats before yeah yeah so. We've seen to make sure that we get one win. I don't care which one it is. You get one. That's the most important thing. So yeah i mean i. I do think they're in a good. This is probably the best chance atlanta's had in recent years. To sweep the saints. The saints are a weaker team than they have been. So we'll see we'll see how that goes. I'm excited about it. I think atlanta's defense like matches up. Well somehow with the game that the saints wanna play like atlanta's run defenses. Good you know. They've been more reliable at shutting down this kind of underneath stuff as opposed to get blast of deep. That's really been there problem that they've given up more big plays defense so like if they can keep it in front of them. This team is pretty solid on defense. It's win teams. Start getting desperate and start launching. They do feel that they find out like. Oh wait actually can't cover leg. Why are we doing this before. I don't know why you weren't doing it. It's pretty obvious to me but you know whatever it helps us. So that's fine. But yeah. I mean either way i guess. In my opinion. Like the falcons win either way. Like the falcons. Don't win helps the draft. Pick the falcons do as we get to beat the saints so like either way. It's a good thing honestly so Now here's what it'll be interesting to. It's you know. When's the last time we played in new orleans. And there's like no crowd right. I think we underestimate how much of an impact that has on the players. like i know they pump. You know crowd noise in this year and stuff like that. But it's usually like at least from my. I've never been to one of their games in person in orleans. It seems super loud. When the falcons are playing them in new orleans. Whether it's primetime or on you know sunday at one o'clock So i think that'll be pretty interesting to see. Yeah absolutely what kind of atmosphere. Yeah it'll be different. It'll be different for sure it'll make it easier. Yeah yeah. I mean i do wonder like the falcons can pull off the sweep of the saints. Like say the falcons. Let's just assume one thing over the next you know. The remainder of the senate falcons sweep saints. What are you. How are you feeling that. About the falcons. Chances of like pulling off sort of miracle finishing eight eight nine seven. Yeah that's the only two point you know. Hey you're speaking my language and telling me there's a chance language people are getting a bad okay like i look so the. Nfl is saying that we could. We could get an eighth spot. We could get a fourth wildcard spot because of the covid stuff and it hasn't been necessary yet right now we'd only be a game and a half back nut spot and that's free fall in chicago who's lost four games in a row. So as helen. Shades sodas climbing but we got a tiebreaker. We dare actually have a tiebreaker team. We haven't tiebreaker against eric's ready to leave erica's disconnected. You know like it's extremely unlikely. That the falcons will make the plant. Like extremely unlikely. They'd be like at the second and five team to ever make plans. This'll it's his team mate. The playoffs is a twenty four to two game waiting. Oh yeah i mean. They're not going to be good at the playoffs but lost. That's gonna look is going to look at it and say well. Why the hell did they make the play. I don't know. I disagree slightly. Because they'll be they'll be really hot going into the playoffs. They pull it off. Yeah like it won't be like twenty eleven or they were just like sputtering here and they're like going into the giants game like they will be playing. They will have to be playing their best football going into the playoffs. We know how important it is not to peak too early as we saw in the super bowl. Yeah like to to make the playoffs to make the playoffs. They have to be the saints twice. Probably and the bucks twice probably Because their best shot is still waiting and division. that's always the best way to get to the playoffs. But like sweep the saints and the box and you wit and you beat kansas city like then all of a sudden it's like oh you just like you just swept to like contenders and just be the for the reigning. Super bowl champions. Maybe at that point we start having a different conversation because it seems completely different but they still have to do those things like at this point. They haven't done those things so also they you know if they make the playoffs even with you know the nfl potentially expanding rookie more has great show. I mean like wouldn't it be the favorite to be the head coach. I mean i see i mean. Yeah they pull up some sort of bureauc- uil if they win playoff games. Sure you know raigmore sprawling playoffs at this point. I mean because the you know the second half of the season sleep brutal. Yeah if plans to make if they make the playoffs by getting into like the eight seed and mike an extra playoff spot year live i. Just i don't know how meaningful is like if they're like seven and nine make the last eight. But i mean that's all of the recovery from starting owen. Five i mean it is but like i think they also realize like they've been bitten twice now by taking putting too much stock in like a late season rally so it might be less interested in that I mean as long as they give her dirk. I don't care if you wanna keep remorse after some miracle as long as you just kick cutter the hell out of here. I don't care like fine. Get a real offensive coordinator. Then we could talk but like if any scenario involves cutter. No absolutely not like no no. I agree that if this team is seventy nine and makes it via that eight spot in unlike gets knocked out in like immediately than it's like yellow scope on new coach like i don't think that's not keeping hours. You literally had like a covert loophole to like get to the playoffs. That's not the same as rattling off. Like what seven eight straight wins bryant to make it as a as an actual wildcard team. Yeah yeah exactly. Like i think the team knows that to like this is a weird season this is. They're they're probably going to be the highest team like houston may or may not actually go after another coach. I guess we'll see there. There really aren't any other intriguing openings. At this point. I mean maybe maybe the lions from patricia may maybe the vikings if they don't pull off this miracle maybe they decided. Well i mean. I don't know but like i don't think the vikings are really anywhere near the falcons in terms of desirable coaching. They're they're stuck with cousins for like two or three years. Nobody wants goddamn kirk. Cousins like that is not a situation any offensive coach. Just gonna be into the jets that's laughable. It depends on your trevor lawrence. Because you know there's some coaches that just like that they they would rather just be with a generational talent tie themselves to someone like that. It's the jets. The jets will ruin anything they touch. And i feel so bad for lawrence but like this is a team is such a dumpster fire like like are they even getting are they even gonna get rid of grace i if they keep case. Then you've got a point. But i i i don't know it depends on. Depends on who their next head coaches. Yeah probably i mean honestly like it's likely that the facts will be the hottest destination for someone who may be as interested in winning soon. Because if it's the jets it's a rebuild like even if you get from lawrence. That team is a disaster so you know we'll see but yeah i mean i think they're going to have they're going to have their pick for the most part. I mean so that. That's a good thing and i think if it'd be one thing if the falcons were picking from scraps and they were like oh morris did a really good job as the interim you know we'll just give him another chance because we don't really have a an interesting candidate to bring it but like if there's got like arthur smith online one eric the enemy on line two brian daboll online. I just don't really see them like. Are you really going to pass. On the next leg sean mcvay slash kyle shanahan typed coach to keep your interim guy who also give her a quarter an interview for the head coaching job as well being the continuity that bring to the off that you know that third year of mood. Yeah that third year of continuity out here. Yeah no absolutely not. Though she put that evil on me. I will not allen. I entertain dirk koetter sticking around but Yeah i mean so. We'll see what happens there. You know i mentioned. I think the falcons are favored. And i would like to see them win this game. I think they can. They can beat the saints. That's the title of the episode. They absolutely can so. That'd be cool if they did Let's let's see him. Do it That like like yeah. I mean southside twelve like you're absolutely right. Man like dirk is the biggest concern about this game because we know when he faces a half decent defense that that scheme gets exposed. Because it's not really much of a scheme it's just like okay lineup. And then and it works great against denver right who have their to starting quarters out and can't cover the broadside of barn and you know it works great against these teams with trash. Secondary's bad bad defenses. But the second his defense come his offense comes up against even competent even even a mediocre defense doesn't look at anywhere near as good so we'll see. You can can do something interesting this week. I don't know dab it will. will it be enough. The facts to win. Maybe maybe probably i mean. I don't think they have to do a whole lot against this saints team. This isn't the dominant force that they used to be. So we'll see and you know also james whitson. Is the big wild card here. Like jim ever a week or cutter to resort to those five hundred claim you start. We need to get past the first one hundred percent. But they're they're all variations of run up the middle. It's you know it's just like it's just five hundred pages of like metal no matter what or early just circled it. I'll give him for for maybe once. I'll give him a little bit of credit last year. The first matchup. He did a couple of things here in that i liked that he took advantage. You know he was. They were able to get big. Plays on the saints defense now. They didn't really gas him a whole thing. Like three hundred fifteen or something like that but they had two hundred forty three thousand ground so they were able to stick to the run and they want. Tom was estimated that game They didn't force throw it often but when he did throw at certain times picked up crucial first downs. Let's just hope cutters sticks at saint. Paul you know what ones that game last year. The third down conversion every single third down. It seemed like i. i don't have the stats in front of me. I think we were something ridiculous. Like ten of twelve on third down conversions like it was just when we got into third down there down. We just broke. There will like you could tell that we broke the saints spirit like on defense because every single time we would like we would convert it no matter what the down in distance was. I think one time they had is perfectly covered. Matt ryan scrambled for a first down. And then you can really tell by the body language they were like. Are you like getting married. Is been an elite scramblers here. Okay like everyone who said they need a mobile quarterback all right number one. He is a rule threat tool threat in a leap door. Yes more statistically he the number one like quarterback outside the pocket helps your gas. Well i mean. That's the thing with mayor ryan like yes. He's had to play in like fifteen different schemes over his career. But he's picked up the skills from all of these different schemes. And you can. Now incorporate the effectively like now he's like a much like after years ago hands off. It's he's a much better scrambler. He's much better on boots and rollouts like he's got some mobility like it takes a minute to like get going. You know it takes a minute to actually like move a little bit. But like he's he's smart with witty decides to run for the most part like. I think that's an underrated part of his game. So i'm excited about that. Matt ryan gash the saints on the ground. That'd be pretty great. But he's young matt ryan yet. He'll he's the tyler. Murray for atlanta said we're gonna do with this being a sound run in there have to be efficient with the with the run off man like you can't. This is probably as much as we've been saying as much as than one in them to run. The football to a better boss initiated this one game. Like at san okay. Let's not run the ball brain dan. We'll see it like dr carver's going to run the ball because he's an idiot you know like i don't know what you say but like he's gonna run. The ball is going to run the ball first and he's going to run the ball on second long like that's his thing he does that. He is not clever like he does what he thinks he needs to do. I need to establish the run. Or they're going to key in on the past like they're gonna kill the past either way because guess. The run game is good like as when you plan. Julio in like route so really the run game should be better. It's just not because it's got the creativity of the in. The timing of it is bad or not. The run points like that may be. Yeah i mean. That's i mean we've seen it like this is going to be another dirk code session. But it's like you look at this team on second down. And they're the most ineffective second team in the league is basically what it says. They are so conservative on second down that it almost like offsets how aggressive they are on first down and successful. They are on first down like it's like they're actively working against themselves on second down like dirk cutters. Oh well my deep shot failed. So i guess i better like color screen so we can get that third and short yet. Don't do that like guess. What your your show didn't work. That means you have to be more aggressive on second down to offset the fact. You didn't get any yards on first. But he's trapped in this old system of like well. If my past doesn't work i have to try to get yards guaranteed yards on second day. I don't care if it's one. I don't care if it's three but we're getting yards and like it's not how the nfl works. The saints have a very good linebacking corps in there. They're very good run defense. I think they just broke some record for most consecutive games without allowing one hundred yard rusher but will plays into that is the fact that there are secondary has been so pissed poor for the most part in that string of games the teams just like realize that they don't have to run against the saints they can just burn through the air and we're talking about a game where you know marshon lattimore was a limited participant in practice. I think he he loved the game. Early the saints somehow still think marshon lattimore can guard julio jones one on one. So they're gonna have their egos like you know up to here with that. So they're gonna they're gonna put more on. Julio one on one. And i think this is a great opportunity. Especially when he's hobbled when he's healthy will you will. You'll gets the better of him but when he's hobbled will we have to take advantage of that match. We have to take advantage of calvin ridley against their secondary foreigners who historically not been very good either so get one alone pizza. Pj pj williams says a family man. You want to see calvin ridley on pj man. He dusted that get last year. My goodness who maybe thirty remember calvin release first game our first game against the saints. You had like three touchdowns against them. And i think he should have had a fourth but there was a pass interference to in the end zone as well motive. They benched in that game. That's right you're research. Gosh that was a good game i liked. I enjoyed that game. But yeah i mean up until Up until brian poole. And i think it was. What's robert alfred completely missed. I child on your breeze. Yeah yeah that was not a great way. We're bic was hanging out. In vick was hanging out in the tunnel and overtime when they had first and goal from the one where like that was the play. Tie the game. I think it was on second or third down whereas you just like yesterday from the tunnel those play were. Briefs spun like away where we both are. Players had a free shot on him outside the pocket. You just know. Every single falcons defender from the past thirteen years. Imagine just having that free shot on drew brees every single one but you know they completely blow it out. That's got them caught at the end of the season. just play. yeah i remember. I remember watching the twitter tom. Line as after that play happened. And i don't think i've ever seen so many t. Fs yeah that was brutal as brutally want that was brutal play. I i don't wanna relive that one anymore than we have to But yeah i mean. The falcons are great matchups against these corners. Marshon lattimore is not healthy. Who jones is healthy. Like i know there was some concern about. Oh is julio still number one at the beginning of the season because his numbers were down. I think we know now that that was you know. Injured related like julio's numbers are great. Now who has been just dustin kid so like who heals find. Calvin ridley great. You know they had and they clearly have tertiary options like russell gauges been a little more quiet. But he's good. Allama is clearly good They they have other guys out there that they could they could use. It really just comes down. Dirk koetter at my. That's the big issue like dirk koetter does not maximize talent or cutter does not maximize this offense. He barely barely scratching the surface of what this talent is capable of. And it's really sad and it makes me mad. Every time i talk about and i'm sure it makes all of you wonderful people mad to probably why you come here to hear me bitch about connor but like it's just sad and like this team probably be a hell of a lot better without him but we're stuck with him and he just needs to get together so please get it together. Dirt like stop running on second in line for god's sake like if you learn one thing just stop running on second law it's a waste of time and know that one time that you ran a draw and you got twelve yards. Todd gurley and second law does not justify that decision okay like that does not that does not justify that decision to stop it stop. It reminds me of a few years ago now. Not even a few years ago a decade ago in the hawk side jock smith and he'd be pulling up with those long twos and three pointers to the point. Where the fan base. Everyone would scream. No every time you your shot. He'd make one up three makes one. Then it's over he's gonna shoot the next ten. Oh yeah yeah he's ready. He's read biography. Six says we need more dirk slander. I have more yeah. We're going to have more. We just need to get in some other takes in the meantime but Yeah i know viral also asked like who would be replaced cover with as offensive coordinator. I assume he means like. I think he was asking more like if we got an offense coach. Who would the new offensive coordinator be in like that. Honestly probably depends almost entirely on the coach. Like it's probably going to be there favored assistant. The enemy would probably bring his like favorite guy from kansas city. Arthur smith be the same from tennessee. I mean they might bring guys from other teams. Who knows but they'll be the primary playcallers again. So it'll it'll be interesting certainly but that that's a tough one to predict like if they bring in defense defensive if they bring defensive head coach we can all just pack it in but I don't. I don't know who that would be like if they liked. Nolan baby gone. Yeah no i mean. Please bring in mike mccarthy As the oc opera dallas. I mean. yeah. I just say i told you so dallas but i told you so. Anyone who hires mike nolan. I think they were asking for it. They're asking for or sure. What are we gonna do when When cutters gone though like he generates so much content for. I know it's going to be dark times We'll probably dedicate at least one show to like celebrations as god. But yeah i mean whoever the next guy is it has big shoes to fill right like we're we're that's the problem with having a team with this much town is like you can't just be like a fringe top ten offense like you're not we're not going to be satisfied with that because we know this could be a lot better like you need to come with this talent. If you're not putting up a top five offense every year like there's a problem like it's probably a ski problem. It's not a matt ryan problem. It's not a wide receiver problem. It doesn't seem like it's gonna be an offensive line pro. I guess maybe the running back position is i like our weakness right now but we can add a running back on early on day three or late on day two and probably you have that problem solved so it's not as tight end problem you know. Where's the problem. It's none of those things so it's probably the offensive coordinator problem So that that's to say no pressure but we're comes in here is going to have to actually do something and honestly it's really not that hard. I think to to be good like i. just think. There's there's a lot of nepotism and there's a lot of coaches that quite frankly don't really deserve to be where they are You know this this is this is a league. That's built on but let me just say mediocre white man just using their connections to to get keep getting and there's a lot of deserving assistance in deserving college coaches in deserving. here. I went there. I'm not saying like there's plenty like there's obviously a lot of minority candidates deserve it. There's a lot of white candidates deserve to but it's like these old guard coaches are holding back the league like and you know it's all based on connections and it's like that in every industry it's not just football but it's sad because i say that's just america. Yeah that's america. That's american values right there folks but like yeah. It's sad because especially football. Were stuck watching an archaic offense. That's like pretty much strangling. What is probably one of the three or four most talented offenses in the nfl. It's being strangled and it's it's a fringe top ten offense because of dirk koetter And it's sad. And i hope that changes next year because we don't have very much time left with ryan. And julio and i'm hopeful that it will change but you that's all right now said so Let's let's get into some viewer questions. Draft takes all that good stuff if you guys have questions throws in the chat. Put an app duff alcoholic and ultra. We'll try to get to as many as we can try to get. Some draft takes here And a reminder if you have absolutely burning question that you can't go without you can always donate The link is in the video description. And i will be contractually obligated to answer your question and you can do that as well. Also subscribe all that stuff you guys. You guys know the drill. We appreciate all you guys are tuning in but so this week i was doing some draft articles. I was looking at some top edge. Guys top corners top safeties. There is some talent this year. Certainly i think the falcons are going to have to be really good with their first. Three picks right because they have a lot of spots to fill they pre desperately need an edge defender right. I think that's the top need. They pretty desperately need a safety. Because they kiana. Neil and casey are both free agents. Ricardo allen could be a cap casualty like they desperately need a safety to start. If you know one of those guys doesn't come back. I guess i'm kind of on. The record is thinking that. They're probably gonna find a way to bring neil back just because i don't think you can replace all your starting safeties in one season but a lot of that probably depends on the nfl's cap situation if they hit this lake disaster scenario one hundred seventy five million dollars cap. I'm on record saying. I don't think the nfl is going to let that happen because it would be a disaster for the league. But anything's possible. I guess but let's let's go around the horn while we get some questions in here on our let you go first. 'cause guy here right now is the biggest need for this falcon team in your opinion other than offense coordinator because we we covered that i think safety To be are right now. Into next season i guess going into next season yet. Twenty twenty. it's going into next season It safety because right now. The only safety under contract is jalen hawkins whom we got in the fifth round I don't know if i i actually couldn't tell you to be honest if we're going to bring back john o'neill or not because just because of the cap space situation it could depend on the last On the last having of the season Looks like he's getting his his be back from under emma. After the past two seasons of season ending injuries. You kind of looks like the same player and hopefully that continues. And i think if he does prove that he he has back completely in the second half of the season. I can definitely see us. Quad cab forum if we Do some restructures. I think ricardo allen. Ellen's a goner. In should be given the fact that he'll save six million dollars in cap space Casey i think is gone as well But i think right now as it stands it safety but you know that could change depending on what they decide to do with john. O'neill yeah at that. I would say like the most likely free agent get brought back is just because like i said it can be difficult to replace both safeties in offseason. But it'll depend on everything else. That's going on Evan what's your thought on. The biggest need for this team going into next season. I think it's edge as it is always Going into the season. I thought it would be linebacker But surprisingly that's i think a huge strength for them right now just seeing how Taken that next step even mike walker in like limited action has been great in dion. Dionne jones is so good. But i mean you look like just a at edge specifically got two sacks charles here says two sacks but like everybody else pretty much has one There's no tack anymore. So there's no like you know looking towards the future thing I don't think anybody's been blown away by fowler's played especially for how much paid him with that being said is been iran. Yeah i don't know where like there's no youth to the defensive end position. I guess kaminsky is what you're looking at hoping you know i think mariners slipped. Well when he's played but it's not enough to like really you know ignore the position. I think there's just so much need there as there always is and maybe under a different general manager and head coach will be able to fix it but just seem like this constant year. Where that's you know. One of the top names if not their top won't they can't sign them either. I mean like i. I've wanted to be wrong. Because i was super pessimistic when they signed fowler like i was literally saying on twitter and stuff that was just a product of playing next to the best defensive tackle in football aaron donald in. That's kind of what it showed. I mean grady. Jerry is right there but it's just you had clay matthews even getting like eight sacks with that team and he has been on a roster. This year I don't know i'm just. I think that position super week as it always seems to be an you know. That's my playing. Yeah yeah yeah. I get eric's here just a second. I want to read off another donation for george costanza again three dollars. Thank you brother. George says wanted to point out something important that we have discovered this season glad. Td and quinn. Didn't overpay austin hooper. Hearses shown that most heinz will be successful with ryan. Also that's far chase. Young is not nick. Bosa terrell could end up being the better pick chase head that injury midseason and he hasn't quite been the same. I think like early on. He was on that like crazy tear. But we'll see their looks like a good pay but as so. You've already closed the door on how good season i mean. I haven't but yeah you ever georgia's down on chase. Young seems like so already nine games. Yeah i mean i would say. Don't get off the chase young trade yet. But i mean terrell could be a very good pick like maybe then you have like two sacks in the season opener. Yeah he started off your hot and then had that. I think dante fowler's in defensive ends they usually don't hit that like oh damn there that good like till like the second or third year. Mommy the third year. Yep yep but you want see. Israel's get to saxon receiving there there. Oh yeah no. I agree like we've been on him. Yeah yeah eric. Wait till like years three and he's gonna be up there with the best of i still would've taken shazia. I sorta take a chase young. Yeah i mean obviously you know we'd rather have you know young but would it have been worth trading the entire drop cloths I this year in a second this year up retrace young era i mean the jury still out on that at this point. It looks like maybe not the the the jury's out but right now right now. I'm saying i'd rather have terrell than trading all of that preowned remember. We were all like a lot of people. Were talking about them. Moving up for sanderson henderson in in. Who was it. The line scott from khuda tyrrell's grading better than both of them looked better than both of them I mean i'm i was like i didn't know how to feel but like i'm excited now. And yeah eric you know was kudos to him was one of the few people that was like hey calm down. Like don't pay attention to College football championship game or whatever. We're apparently like was bad. Oh yeah yeah. People way overrated that controversial. I mean i understand why they gave ever seen him play. Mostly everybody likes that gave. Everybody had an opinion on egypt's and honestly he played well for half of that game. So i was really overweight. Eric i definitely want to give erica. Chance to answer that question to what what i think. It's edge for you as well eric. But yet what. What's your biggest. What's your take on. The biggest falcons need ashley. No to their biggest need is just the playoffs. Any at any playmakers. You know I will get no game trade and adds. That'd be great. They were to get a free safety. Net is that have the nose for the ball and and and you know was able to create takeaways. That'd be great. They were able to get a corner opposites row. That's able to do that. That'd be great. They just need guys on defense beck and make plays and i'm not talking making the traditional tackle or down get feel like note the games line. They need a turnover. They need a sack. They need something they need. Makers like that on defense and they don't really have. Yeah i agree. I agree that is. That's yeah they just need playing. I mean obviously good players. I mean edge obviously would probably the biggest impact because they have like basically no one right. But i mean yeah so yeah i want to get to some of these questions. You guys had some coming in and if you guys have more free to get those in the chat as well Cured welsh asked Do you think the falcons are keep girly. Pass this year I personally think that they will not because girlies early is going to want some sort of contract. The falcons probably can't afford to give him any sort of contract So i think not I suspect if they do get an offense head coach he's either he's probably gonna want to draft someone you know maybe late day too early day three because we've seen you could get quality stars there so i mean that that's my thoughts on that you guys have any opinions on girlies future with the team. Think i don't think he's going to do not like the idea of paying of veteran running back Girl he's probably gonna wanna pay day especially in and especially after i think he. He's in the top five in rushing yards this year. He's second in a rush touchdowns but he's only averaging I think three point seven yards per carry. Which isn't very efficient. He he is in the top five with. That's mostly a product of dirk. Koetter running him so much as much as he does in running among all those first and second downs. I don't think it'll be worth giving todd gurley that money. I don't like the idea of paying running back like at all yet either way unless it's like a transcendent talent but even then like what we're seeing like Ju- just how easily the position can get hurt You know you're taking a lot of you're getting banged up a lot as a running back where we saw saquon barkley and the giants succession overall. Single zeke. like you know if you don't have the great offense around him. Zico elliott has struggled this season as well. Yeah sauce now. Yeah so i. I think basically what we've seen and i. I assume that this person that's coming in is a student of analytics and enemy and like the chiefs. Know what do this better than anyone like. They they're experts. It basically hit the bargain running backs and getting these big contributors. And that's what the falcons need to do. They they need to scour you know free agency for cheap effective running backs and they need to go out and probably get a guy like late on day two early on day three to there. There are nominal starter but like between that guy and like there's so many good rhinebeck available free agency that get picked up for basically nothing like you just have to be smart about who you pick up like. It's very doable. So like i took the falcons haven't looked good in the run game. It's not because of their running backs. Like i know people are like. Oh quadri not that great at edo. He's not that great like these guys. I think would be more than enough for kansas city like they would like ito. Smith would be a great pass catching back. Kansas city like it. These players are more than good enough to be effective. Nfl running backs A religious needs scheme. Change more than anything. So i don't think we need to pay premium money or invested premium. Pick for running back. I mean as fun as it would be to see tragedy end in atlanta like. I just don't think it's going to happen unless you sit there in the second round or something but like. I don't think that's gonna happen either. So that would be cool. But i just i just wanted to add also to kind of piggyback off. That you know james robinson for example. He's fifth in carey's this year. He has four less carries than todd. Gurley but one hundred more yards draft in. Yeah so they're probably paying him close to nothing You don't pay these top running backs and even then as auden mentioned girlies numbers are super inflated because of volume but he's not averaging he's averaging three point seven he's not laker putting up great yards per game his sixty four point nine Where you got. I mean you know the top right now with all the injuries and stuff like ten dalvin cook stu in one hundred and nineteen point three yards per game Dare ten rees over a hundred. He's i like one five But then you got girly at sixty four like. He's you know you. It's easy to look at the touchdowns and stuff because they get to the goal line. He's good at that but he's not like an elite back super bowl. You can never judge a player based on john's unless it's like a quarterback who's just slate last season so it's easy to look at you like. Oh god backs are not a great stats. But they're not even using incorrectly to because he usually the rams would always throw in the ball is on pace for like. I'm one of his fewest seat. I think it's worse season in terms of being received that that's conner problem but all all these was the worst Running back by. Pf fs grades receiving so job. Yeah he he's not. The running back from twenty seventeen was in the mvp race. He has clear knee problems. Which is another thing like. He's held up so for bud jiang Really wanna you really wanted tonight on set. You really want to sign up for that long term like i i absolutely don't i don't want to spend cap space to keep gurley like i. It's not like you're i mean. No disrespect to the georgia fans who were probably losing their minds at this conversation right now but it's not exactly like you're spending to have some fries like top ten running back on your team like east pretty inefficient yes. That's definitely. yeah so. I though yeah yeah. I've been very satisfied with that. Pick in the fourth round so All right let's see we got a east coast falcon asking. Who are our top five addresses coming out. Yeah check out my piece on the faculty to break breakdown like four guys. But i guess the guys that i would say the top ones for me right now. Be like gregory so from miami he opted out so he's not actually playing but his tape. Last year was crazy. I'm sure eric can attest to that. But could he pay for michigan has been impressive. he's been playing Patrick jones from pit. I like him a lot Hamill qureshi junior. I like him quite a bit too from oregon state Let's see would v guy. I mean it's kind of like a take your pick thing like Quincy rochet from miami's seminole people like i. I haven't really watched him. Carlos fashion juniors more like a day to guy but just a reliable kind of edge to type of player. Which would be more than the falcons have at this point. So i mean be open to that but there's some names i mean in terms of like really top talent. It's not really that sort of class but There are certainly some guys there that they could go after Let's see where let's see. We had one viral drafty. Six asking. where do we think the falcons will end up picking probably right around where they are now probably like right around ten thirty to win at old ties next to the other. Yeah i mean it. Probably right around where they are now. You know i would say like between a and twelve is pretty good range for them. I mean if they win a bunch of games so probably picked him like where they were last year. I ain't gonna finish six ten and they'll be in between eight and twelve. That's my opinion. what do you. What do you guys think i think. Five and eleven. Yeah so it's a rough. It's a rough finishing schedule. It wouldn't shock me which would put right where they are. Now maybe ten maybe maybe inside the top ten but on the latter half eight nine. Maybe yeah yeah yeah. I can Realistically i i'm going to say six until six and ten as well and But you know the optimist in me is saying ten in six along though it could be either one either when it could be it could be you know it could be three and thirteen or ten six. I'm not sure somewhere somewhere between those somewhere at the line between those yet nickel purpose. Yeah we're just trying to get the hype train rolling here all right. Can you blame us. Yeah we win our next four games in a row. you know. we'll be going like if they sweep the saints if they win like all those games in sweep the saints up until they say it's like albion on the train then i'll be. I'll be conducting. That the falcons train at that point because they'll be five hundred so yeah in tonio brown will probably be suspended by the time. We should be all their flesh. Yeah i mean yeah. I did ask specifically like what would have to happen too for the falcons to make the playoffs miracles. That would have to happen a lot. Awash a lot too many too many things to get into at this point but a lot of things but at the kobe or every other team being disqualified tragedy network. That man. i mean. It's not like they're like really that far out of it but like they need a lot of teams to basically like struggle and they need to win almost all their games And i mean normally. When you're talking about the falcons and collapsing you're not talking about other teams. Yeah they'd need other teams to pull falcons type shenanigans for them to really have much chance in the nfc. Because i just wanna make the point like just being completely serious for a second the. Nfc is really good this year. Even with an extra wildcard spot. I think it's It's those nfc nfc west teams. Like three of them are six three six. Three is the last wildcard spot in the nfc right now because you have the bucks in saints who both have seven wins and you know of course. The eagles will will earn the winner of the nfc energy lease. The lease is gonna make so. It'd be like five and eleven in the playoffs man. It's this this is not the year definitely then teams are going to cannibalize themselves. You know for the most part down the stretch. But this isn't a season where i think. Eight nate will make it as that. Like seven c. Like you're going to have to win at least nine games to get into that seat. Yeah yeah i think so. I mean the. Nfc is kind of a mass. But it's also like there's a lot of teams winning records so like it's going to be difficult to really crack in to that group like there's going to be probably three playoff teams from the west which you know that that makes up for the fact that the east is a dumpster fire so i mean it's off until the forty niners had all the injuries like you. All four of those teams had winning records division. Yeah yeah it's wasn't it the seahawks that one year that went to the playoffs like seven and nine those cheesequake your unless they knocked out the saints streets. Yeah hey it's like. Hey i mean if the giants get in there and knock out the saints. Yeah i be okay. With that. The panthers and twenty four teammate. At seven eight one. That's right and the falcons would have made it at seventy nine. Had we won that last game seating against them and they beat the. They beat the cardinals. Who started ryan lindley. That's what a long strange season that was. That would have saved mike smith's job probably if they won that playoff game been his second playoff win. Ever sorry sorry. yeah the third plan awfully. Excuse me no no no. You're you're right. That would have been the second one was right. Beat the seahawks. Yeah forgot that they. They actually got all the way to the visual that year. So that was the second. Okay okay so it was a good job. in retrospect. yeah. Yeah guys. I guess i know we've got more questions. It is getting a little bit late this. We're going to wrap up. I do appreciate everyone. Forget those questions and don't worry. We will have plenty of time going forward. We will get to as many of you guys as we can. We appreciate all of you guys for help with the discussion this evening before we get out of here do want to remind folks to throw like. I know a lot of people have been doing that. Throw like at the channel throughout the show. Help other people find us. 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Falcons vs Redskins - 2019 Preseason Week 3

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Falcons vs Redskins - 2019 Preseason Week 3

"The post game podcast in two thousand nine hundred nine preseason week three atlanta hosting the washington redskins. I'm w and i am joined today by one of our writers. There's and our photoshop aficionado our very own evan burchfield evan how're you doing. I'm doing great in as we started off the last few shows <hes>. I'd like to remind everyone that we glossed weld straight preseason games consecutively next week will be lucky number thirteen and so it's quite the record. Actually it's remarkable. We have to go by two thousand sixteen right to to get the last preseason win yeah. It's it's weird. I mean. I don't even think it gets a bad thing. It's just weird and it's i think a lot of fans will get hung up on it but preseason regular season starts. Nobody's care here next preseason. When we go for fourteen straight yeah. We have to lose the next one so we'll see backups do in week four but at this rate yeah thirteen straight losses seems seems like a distinct possibility so we're we're gonna talk about this third preseason game the quote unquote dress rehearsal game that many fans point to and say hey. This is the game where you know. The offense actually starts putting in some plays and they actually gain planned a little bit. I think some of that's overstated overstated. <hes> that used to be the case but i'm not sure it is as much the case in the n._f._l. These days <hes> the falcons went to this game. They did play a lot of starters but some key guys were out such as julio jones devante didn't play nearly as many snaps as the rest of the starters <hes> we had <hes> either smith taking the majority of snaps running back. Dion jones was still out <hes> so i think across the board you know there were some key guys that were missing but before we get into all well that i wanna talk about. I think what is arguably the hottest topic coming out of the game on thursday night and that is the performance of <unk> giorgio vecchio <hes> he had a correct me. If i'm wrong evan a thirty nine yard field goal attempt that he missed yet <hes> and and his extra point attempt was even though he made it looked like it barely made it through he is now a believe four of eight great in the preseason on field goals <hes> which is incredibly concerning and we sort of saw the chorus of fans last night <hes> ah basically universally saying it's it's time to move on it is time to find another kicker and of course the one name that many any fans immediately went to was bright and of course for those who don't know evan is one of the if not the biggest bryant fans in the world whose last name is not bryant bryant. We do not catch you. You're married to the man yeah does not count <hes> but at this point you know we are a few weeks away from the regular season evan. What do you you think i know. You've got some strong opinions but it is is to vecchio done is he. Is he cooked yes. He is well for now at least <unk> one of our other writers <hes> adnan. He brought up a good point. Actually i believe it was him. <hes> you know the buccaneers when they drafted data guadagno. Who in college was i mean you can make an argument. He was like the greatest kicker in college football history definitely modern college football history history in you see how he turned out. He lost his confidence and i don't even think he's league anymore. <hes> it can it happened that quick into right. That's such you know like we talked about on the last couple of shows. It's a mental game at that position in the second. You think you're done you. You really are done <hes>. That's not to say to vacuous won't come back it. You know someday and be good or anything like that but if i'm falcons management i would have swallowed my pride at this point in you know even if it's not for matt bryant you know it's gonna look bad bad if they bring in somebody else at least to the fans you know i don't i just you know we need him reliable kicker in palm. I'm not saying everybody who's a free agent is one <hes> but to vecchio just right now. I don't know how you can <hes> barring some sort of like he makes goes five for five in the last preseason game name game winning kick. I don't know how you can feel that confident. Because as you mentioned earlier in the show <hes> yeah he missed a thirty nine which twin wide left which <unk> at lately has seemed like his biggest problem akhenaton left <hes> and then also the few or not not the field goal the p. a. t. you mentioned <hes> if he was just a couple of yards backyards amidst like that wasn't even a gimme or anything. I like that <hes> so now we not on top of that. It's like we almost have to worry about you. Know are not going in. It's just it's a problem we you didn't like have a now. We have it in. It's like we got over. You know we'll dive into defensive tackles but that was the biggest he gets question mark. You could say <hes> heading into the twenty nine hundred off season now. That seems like that ain't a problem. You know like that's yeah. That's like the one of the best groups on on our team right now <hes> and then all of a sudden ounce like oh yeah we gotta kicking problem which we have in had in over a decade really yeah i mean but to your question. I think he's done <hes>. I don't see you know and i feel bad form. It's like i hate him or anything. <hes> yeah i think it was kind of unfair the position he was thrown into because he had no real competition. He made five kids last year. Inundate basically said there you go. Here's the keys to the car good luck. You know it's such an offense like this to where we constantly get down field. You know we've seen it over the years where we get down field and then we stall. It's going to be expected to make a bunch of kids like if if you tally up a bunch of the winds probably during twenty sixteen than you look. I'm sure there there's a lot of matt bryant field goals. <hes> that drives ended on in you know if you cut that number in half or even less than there was a lot. The games were losing <hes> and you know you look at the big games. That's what you want is a big game kicker a map brian spinach sure he's got all you know. All all the people saying like oh. He's old. He's injured. He wants too much money and stuff but he still worth it. I think in i i would go if he said evan. There's two routes will stick it out with two vecchio. Who <hes> you know maybe he'll bounce back or evan. Map brian still available available. He may not be after week. One when guaranteed contracts aren't guaranteed anymore <hes> you know with. Do you want to take that risk and go with matt bryant ryan who could possibly get injured in. You'd have to like bring somebody in or sticking out <unk>. I'd go that route. I don't think <hes> tobacco's shown own anything you know. He's he hasn't shown that kind of young prodigy. Kicker like the chiefs have like arison bucker or something like like that to where it's like. You really need <hes>. He looked good last year. Yeah i mean five kicks. Is you know if different if he might win like twelve or twelve or some five kicks. This is good but it's not like the end of the world like e you know is the second coming of something. At least i didn't think so i mean i was saying this before. <hes> <hes> i mean obviously as you said basically leading the charge for the matt bryant army of but like with the evacuate thing it's like i wasn't all in on the whole like five for five i mean the raiders got rid of him for a reason than even. If you wanna look at somebody like matt bryant he <hes> he bounced around on different inst- before he ended up like he wasn't he didn't like leave baylor join the buffs in any came to bana <hes> he you've spent some time with the giants. He spent some time with the dolphins. He spent some time with the colts <hes> in the florida tuskers. How can we forget them. <hes> he's been around. You know what i mean before he got to this point so maybe to vecchio needs to do that to where he can learn. You know elsewhere wear and stuff like that <hes> but yeah i just. I don't see how this team that's built the way they are could go into to the regular season in not have that kind of cloud over their head. The jaguars games going to be obviously a big test assuming they don't bring in. Somebody is competition or you know by think. It tells a lot that they're still going forward with him that they don't want to admit <hes> <hes> any sort of mistake. <hes> you know in that in the past we've seen that sort of mentality to where you know. The fans would be clamoring for vic vic beasley to not be on the roster in they stuck with him anyway even even when he was like looking horrible <hes> same with duke riley or something like that like they sometimes show an unwillingness to give up on somebody which i mean that's a nice trait all but <hes> you know when it comes to losing games you know because that's such a it's an underrated position people laugh at kickers but they win so many games in they lose so many games this sure do and and <hes> you know i i think to your point i do think we'll see some competition brought in the first thing that jumps to mind is nick rose who's been with the falcons in the past last past few seasons of believe in campaign. He's been through before tobacco came in. I do think this next game is going to be the proven proving point for tobacco. If he's going to stick he has got to nail every single kick and i mean literally every single kick perfectly in preseason week four and even then that's still might not be enough <hes> i would say that if he misses another kick in preseason that he is absolutely done the team will make a move. I think they're there. They want him to succeed but <hes> it is. It is a mental game for kickers and as you mentioned the wto was proof positive. I think he got his head. He was a second round pick <hes> in that he had to live up to expectations and he never could <hes> really get past that mental hurdle that was ashamed for someone who is so talented. It's at nearly salta vecchio coming last year in relief through the into a good job and i think gets <hes> we've got a week. We've got a week to figure this out. See what happens <hes> <hes> and it would not surprise me if we hear something this weekend or on monday that the falcons who brought in another kicker in pushing accomplish ashland more thing if i can mention real quick <hes> that i forgot to mention is <hes>. I was curious because he only had one attempt during the game if you ignore the p._a._t. <hes> late late in the game. He had an opportunity where they could have tried for. I believe it was like fifty five or fifty four yard field goal in instead. They decided the punt the ball. I think that's telling that they didn't want. They knew his confidence was done. <hes> whether it was because they didn't want to force forced him out there again but they didn't even give him an opportunity in a meaningless game co ed kinda tells you they basically shut him down for that for that night side from the kickoffs often whenever bite yes so we'll it it is something we'll have to pay attention to the next couple of weeks through preseason week four <hes> <hes> and into the cuts which will happen next weekend on august thirty first so <hes> we'll get a good feel for the falcons stand with kicker <hes>. I think it's fair to say hi there. This is a tenuous position right now for can span so with that. Let's move on <hes>. I'm sure that our fans are upset enough as it is bell the the kicker situation so let's talk about the offense <hes> i think there were some good things there are some frustrating things <hes> and <hes> who stood out to you evan who who do you think stood out the good way on offense against washington. <hes> let's see here. I mean ryan played. I believe forty eight percent under snaps in he looked. He looked good of dolphins of line. Was you know is okay but <hes>. I like each seeing freeman he. He looked you know he didn't get a ton of action. Obviously by <hes> only have like two carries. I believe he still you know you could tell just the eye. Hi test was buying <hes>. Ito smith looked good. <hes> late in the game link came in and he is well. You can see why the patriots like he's basically athlete he. He isn't great athlete. No question question about it terrible quarterback like i don't even know i. I don't know it's just kind of like i see me. Let me look up his stats real quick they went to he had <hes> six attempts. Two of them were complete for nineteen yards but he did run the ball seven times for forty eight yards. It was our second leading roger so i don't think he even came until like late. In the third quarter. <hes> sanu looked really good. He you make some good sideline catches. <hes> hooper made one where he basically like pretty much any other guy probably would have dropped it but he made a catch even didn't go for a first down. It was like on a third now. He still made me catch. What's was like well. <hes> ridley obviously didn't get a whole lot but he had a nine yard catch which looked really good <hes>. It wasn't like he just caught on the culture yeah. He didn't call down at nine yards like he bombed in weaved in made a play justin. Hardy only had one catch but it was like a big twenty four yard one where he basically went up over dude <hes> but i mean there really wasn't like one person sooner stood out to me to answer. Your question is just like a mixture of the offense looked good. <hes> one thing that was interesting was how <hes> <hes> ortiz left the game. <hes> not sure what exactly his injury was. I think it was like your ankle michael. Were me or something like that but anyway. He left the game in the guy. We were talking about last week. <hes> jade ingraham came in played fullback in i i mean it wasn't like eats you know natural at the position but he didn't look terrible which you know i think is a good sign like you didn't notice him looking bad <hes> <hes> by you mentioned it on twitter that it's a sign that the team wants him on the roster in some capacity. Even if he's you know like a third or fourth tight end he can play the full back position. Possibly for the team bios interesting in you noted on twitter that you know they they really wanted him on on the field and he made he made some decent wage and stuff like that so yeah. Did you see anybody <unk> that. I didn't mention the oregon. Yeah you know i thought thought graham <hes> even though he didn't have any big splash plays he actually did fairly well as an inline tied him <hes> blocking impasse sets and you know you mentioned the the few chances he got full back. I do think so long as his knee injuries not serious we haven't heard any updates yet as of the time on that we're recording this <hes> he did go out with a knee injury and undisclosed knee injury so we're we're still waiting to hear what happened with jaden graham <hes> i think he makes the roster at this point because because the falcons were they were they were the first team they were running him with the first team <hes> he was getting in a significant snaps. He made a nice catch on third down conversion and i think he's someone that i think he is directly. Responsible for eric albert being traded. A key showed enough development from your one year two. They felt like he has already leftover salver as receiver and we wanna put more time into this guy than in <hes> with sauber so <hes>. I think he'll make the fifty three songs. He's healthy in the injuries serious. The other player thought stood out <hes> was matt. Gono who played you know started at right tackle. Obviously released released an article at the foul colic saying that this guy should start the regular season as our starter at right tackle. <hes> mainly because mcgarry is not gonna be ready for the regular season <hes> our first graphic kill mcgarry be ready and tyson braille with his injury history and now that his shoulder was injured. I just don't trust him at right. Tackle gano had an up and down night but he had more good than bad ones and i think that's pretty significant for someone. One who encamped has been playing primarily at left tackle. He stepped in the media <hes> at at right tackle the past couple of weeks and he he look serviceable. You know he's not an all pro. He's not a pro bowler. You know he's gonna struggle but at the same time <hes> he looked better than some brian did last week and and <hes> you know for someone who's just his second year in the league. I would rather see go no out there struggling this imbroglio out there struggling at least you feel like with go there some upside. He can learn from it. I think we know who scenario is at this point <hes> so those are really the only two guys i think the you know the two names that sort of stood out maybe for <hes> on the bad side were marcus green than a allama days akitas. You know these guys had an opportunity to sort of prove that they belonged on this roster. They both got opportunities to feel punts and they both full and <hes> i i someone on twitter can't remember who it was said that kenya i'm barner. <hes> locked his place on the roster just by existing getting i thought it was dead on <hes> yeah and it really is true. The other guys that were trying to unseat barnard they completely legally <hes> missed on their opportunity with with just horrible place so <hes> that's that's what i saw on offense wasn't really a big night for that so we're going to jump into into defense but before we we're gonna. We're gonna and that's that's gonna be a fun conversation but before we jump into the talk on defense. We're gonna take a quick break nick. We'll be right back. This episode is brought to you by c._b._s. Sports h._q. So much sports t._v. Nowadays is full of made up trauma. It's a bunch japan tapes from people who don't even believe what they're saying just beating the same topics into the ground but c._b._s. 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P. s. dot com slash sb nation and we're back on the foul ex post game podcast reviewing atlanta hosting washington preseason week three this is d._w._i. I'm here with evan burchfield field and we're going to talk about the defense because i feel like of the two units. This is the unit debt. I think fans were maybe more interested to then either. I think everyone talks about the offense. They say oh yeah. We're not too worried about it was out there. You know what's julio's back once dante's playing all the snaps in this offense is gonna be awesome. We're not concerned about it in the defense is always you know sort of talked about with that big question. Mark is dan quayle in attorneys unit around <hes>. What's it gonna look like with him as coordinator. You know you mentioned earlier. What's what's the depth at defensive tackle. It'd be like a pass rush to come from and i think last night night we saw a defense that looked like they had a fire living under lethem in particular of all of the units. The defensive line was in my opinion the most impressive unit out there of any unit. <hes> you know offense defense on either team. The falcons defensive line played aide really well <hes> evan. Tell me what you saw <hes> from this defense what stood out to you any names that you think jumped out that maybe you know really made as a positive impression on thursday night well <unk>. If people were listening to the last couple of episodes we did <hes> we kept mentioning ally likes. The non. Just wasn't really getting a lot of playtime. He played fifty four percent defensive snaps last night in you know everybody solve the tax blake right where he intercepted the ball in you know shown some athleticism where he was able to take it pretty much down feel <hes> where any any the other defensive lineman minor just got tackled right there <hes> by synon- actually made the play he basically broken in the backfield in <hes> i forgot in which quarterback was was keenum was okay. He hit keenum intact. Good awareness like sitting. There just dropped in his lap and he took off running sonata. He looked damn good <hes> in he actually i believe had the <hes> he was a highest rated falcons defender by yeah p._s. With eighty four point nine which is really good actually he ended up coming in second they of course yeah cloud klay already being number one with i mean we're still looking at defensive lineman joe exactly so on top of that <hes> the guy who look who is my <hes> when you asked me last week who stood out the most davidson didn't even play jack crawford freaking went swimming in the backfield completely really pushed <hes> who was it was eric flowers or something or it was it was embarrassing. Just completely lately swam past him gotten the backfield the defensive line so good. It's so good it's weird. I hope it stays like this but <hes> yeah they will. Terrific was your question just defensive liner defense in general jump into some of the ocassions seraphic yeah you mentioned p._f. I've got it pulled up in the one to go through this real quick because of the falcons defensive grades number one chris claiborne number two not number six was jack crawford. <hes> number eight was tacked. Mckinley number ten was justin zimmer so these these guys all like brought it home last night and the irony of ironies gregg jarrett <hes> was like middle of the pack in the the p._f. Grades and i'm not gonna make anything of that because we know he's great. It's preseason doesn't really count but i think it does point out that these guys the other guys all stepped up in a huge night. I think played himself back onto the fifty three man roster he think he was maybe teetering hiring on the edge a little bit <hes> it was going to be between him and justin zimmer. I think he played well enough to say okay. We gotta stick with that. There is what that was what we thought lot we were getting when we drafted him last year in the third round <hes> and he really just he had actually really good night all around it both as a run-defender and pass rushing so really impressed with the defensive line but it didn't end there like it. The defense is a whole played really really really well in particular the linebacking group and keep in mind dion jones was not out there devinder campbell went out early early so con- <hes> did not play because of an injury the two guys that really sort of jumped out again a._m. On thursday night number one germain grace that in my mind this guy has played his way onto the roster. He has been fantastic. This preseason drain grace has been amazing the second guy who really had such a strong night duke riley who i think many fans have sort of given up on. What did you think of these two guys. Did you see the same thing i did. Yeah i mean they were all over. The place basically both played half the defensive snaps. <hes> duke looked really good in you know he's had some rough patches in the past grace. Look like if we can start <hes> which is funny considering where he came from but then you look at like somebody like ricardo allen who <hes> was like on the falcons practice squad at one point right so i mean it's possible a <unk>. He just looked so good good and he's had you know you can make an argument. He's had wanted a better preseason anybody on the team because <hes> starting off the preseason questions he didn't make the roster sir now. It's pretty much like is he gonna start so yeah. He had the highest coverage grade of any falcons defender the last night he had an amazing pass break-up obviously last week or week before he had the interception guy you know he he probably probably still has a little bit of work to do as a run defender as he has to work a little bit on clean up his tackles but in pass coverage he may already be one of our our best pass defending linebackers and i said this earlier today on twitter and i'm going to stick to it if you look at our linebacking core from the top to bottom <hes> dion jones the vondra campbell duke riley <hes> germain grace foia lucon. This may be the most host athletic in speedy group of linebackers. I have ever seen top to bottom in any on any n._f._l. Team <hes> and i'm i'm assuming at this point that bruce carter is on the outside looking in. I think that they're gonna go with duke and with germaine grace over bruce carter who is not very good preseason in that is those five have guys can fly. They can fly so you know. I think back four or five years ago when falcons fans were clamoring for a athletic linebackers chris pleased to have the slower guys who are good at tackling but they couldn't cover a linebacker to save their lives and now we've got five guys who literally have the wheels to keep up with you arguably wide receivers coverage. We've seen dan jones do it. <hes> we've seen devinder campbell do it and now we've seen guys like dramatic. Grace and duke raleigh have a really good preseason. Let's hope they keep that up. <hes> any other names <hes> on defense evan that stood out to you that you think really made the case the last night as far as making the roster or arguably. Maybe played themselves off of the roster. Yeah i mean i think you touched on some some of them but like <unk>. Some people even questioned if you've made they're all striving after what we saw last night. You probably assume he's going. He's safe. <hes> <hes> abdomens probably not gonna make the roster just the depth of defensive tackles two good plus. He's got like a two game suspension or something like that. Correct <hes> <hes> let's see here. Kaminski's kinda disappeared lately. I don't know why but and he saved but i'm just saying like i was like oh yeah forgot a lot of hype for him early on and i think it's come down some yeah it definitely has i mean but that it may not be his fault. It may just be the defensive lines so good. I don't know <hes> larkin still like pretty good. He's kind of like a dark horse. I don't know if he'll actually make the roster but <hes> he's going to need a big week four <hes> but i mean it's pretty all like you know the people who are really separating themselves like grayson stuff. <hes> you know they're opening is and stuff but i don't see anybody. That's really jumped golf. Golf is like totally making the roster. <hes> some of the other guys are on the outside looking in but i think there's a lot more than we think that kind of of our on that outside looking into have chance of actually making the roster i don't i mean on calhoun. He got injured last night. Didn't he injury. He was at one or not. He took a knee to the head. Remember that yes that's right. That's right and and <hes> yeah yep. I thought chris cooper corner. He played a lot in this slot to kim about thirty thirty snaps in that range. He played fairly well. I thought you know i'm not sure that he played well enough to edge his way into the fifty fifty three man roster but i definitely think he is someone. The team may look to stash on the practice squad. <hes> you already mentioned. Jane graham felt like he was already cemented. His place on the fifty three man roster as long as he's healthy justin zimmer. I felt like has played well the entire preseason he is. He is borderline. I don't know where it's gonna fall for him. Because as you mentioned there is a ton of depth now at defensive tackle the i don't think we anticipated and zimmer's played well enough enough that i think in another season he would made it but ironically this year when we weren't sure about the depth. It looks like the depth may keep him from making the roster so so it's i i'd say overall. The defense had a really really good night. <hes> you know we're we're at the point where i think the evaluation is done for the guys who are more than likely gonna make the fifty three man roster at this point. The last preseason game is going to be these guys guys fighting to audition for other teams and you know fighting to make the <hes> the practice squad and or there may be one or two positions lines left <hes> some of these guys combat before but i think i think this roster is probably set at this point. <hes> so any any last thoughts about the game from thursday night anything that you saw that you wanted to touch on before we close this out <hes>. I think we've pretty much touched on everything you know. Grace really stood out synon- <unk> the ol- kicking thing i i mean it's gonna make for you know usually that week four games of sleeper but like it's going to be pretty interesting because there's a lot of those bubble guys who have a great chance to to make the roster in you know <hes> what's going to happen with the kicking game he could come out in look great or maybe not even be on the roster auster. I mean at the time of this recording this on the roster so in no no other competition so you know it's going to be interesting game next week justa esta and then we're so close to regular season. It's exciting so yeah. I think it's the fourth preseason game is usually pretty <unk> tough to watch a and you will be watching it first hand in jacksonville and i guess what most fans will be looking forward to is i. I believe the saturday after. I think that i want to don't quote me on this. A believe saturday at four pm is when teams have to have their fifty three man roster set that said a lot of times teams will get the fifty three man roster set in still make changes in the coming weeks based staw what players get cut by other teams <hes> so even though you know next saturday the falcons may announce their fifty three man roster and say here's our team for the season and there is a better than likely chance that <hes> there may be additional shakeups and definitely on the practice squad. I think we we see <hes>. The dan quinn constantly is rotating is on the practice squad finding guys that are free agents that he likes <hes> so so i think this is this is a situation where especially with these guys who have stood out in camp for the falcons there. There are some legit competition for the roster. There's some legit competition for that practice squad and some of these guys make it picked up elsewhere and that's just the way it goes. You can't sign everybody so it's it's been fun. I'm ready for the regular season and the most you guys listening are too and you know we're. We're sort of done arguing coming over the little things. Let's get to the games at count. Let's go see minnesota. Let's give the in the season started on a on a positive note so evan. Won't you tell our listeners where they can find you got going on. Yeah you can find me on twitter. Ativan burchfield angry member to say that this time <hes> eh and <hes> yeah so during the season. I'll have a fantasy article. <hes> every friday believe just kinda previewing more league-wide what <hes> what could happen that weekend so also all have on tuesdays. I believe a brother of the week which is basically gonna detail will a player for the past week's game who isn't gonna be like matt ryan or julio jones but did like a lot for the team like a quiet quiet quiet leader whatever <hes> so like for this game <hes> it probably would have been like germain grace it would be such an easy decision probably do riley because he he really did have a good game. I don't know one of them but it's like that sort of thing so <hes> yeah but in next week's the final preseason game then we can kick off the regular season and it's <hes> exciting times falls on this year whatever so appreciate you have him yup yeah absolutely and hope to have you back consistently during the regular season. Thank you for helping me fill this gap. As for me you can find the guys on twitter at falcon w and of course weekly here on the alcohol podcast and the articles the falcons alec dot com so forever burchfield. This is dave walker. 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Analyzing the Falcons 53-man roster for 2019

The Falcoholic

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Analyzing the Falcons 53-man roster for 2019

"Want to know more about what your favorite ninjas have on their minds. Check out the american ninja warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any any ninja warrior fan because matt ryan deserves better than that and sodas match off and so does danny out link incurred vancouver and any of our quarterbacks like goodbye sean on don't let the door hit you on the way out holy cow gina level ask heartache right there <music> the guys welcome to a special edition of the podcast the official podcast and of the atlanta falcons on e._s._p._n. Podcast network. This is d w david walker. Thank you guys for joining us and today of got to special guests who we're going to help me take a look at the falcons moves this weekend to get down to their first fifty three man roster for the two thousand nineteen n._f._l. Season season it's an exciting time we have a lot to talk about some of the welcome to the podcast today first of all you've heard him through the preseason joining me on post game podcast. He is our photoshop aficionado. He is one of our writers at the alcoholic dot com. I am talking about evan burchfield in how you doing. I'm doing great. Thanks for having me again. Yeah absolutely and joining us as well is one of my favorites from the site great writer <hes> he is up and coming and he has been on podcast many times before you guys know him well. Of course i'm talking about odd non eac- each odd non are you doing. I'm doing very well. D-w football is in the air college started n._f._l. Is next week so it's a good time. It's a good time around yes. Yes indeed in the weather starting to cool off just a little bit and i love this time of year. So let's jump into it. We finally i think the the falcons skains announced the fifty three man roster about ten minutes before we're sup- before the deadline for those that don't know saturday august thirty first four p._m. Was the deadline for every n._f._l. Team to go from there ninety <hes> ninety man preseason roster down to the fifty three man roster. I do you want to put the caveat out there that this is the first fifty three man roster and very often teams continue to make cuts trades all the houston houston texans. We won't be talking about that but that's a perfect example of how the first fifty three man roster is not always the one that you're going to go into the season with but is the one we're gonna talk about. <hes> so we're gonna go position by position. We're gonna look at some of the guys who made the roster that maybe were some surprises erica talk about some guys who who didn't make the roster and what we think their status may be in the outlook for those guys <hes> going through the weekend and into the regular season so we're gonna start start at the top because we're starting ofensive side of the ball. I think the first position is not going to take a whole lifetime discuss because it's quarterback the falcons gins are keeping matt ryan they were. They're not cutting him. As many had speculated and of course his backup is veteran a seventy eight year old matt shop so i'm not i'll go to you first on this any surprises. Did you think that there is a chance of them. Carrying three years what you expect it given and i don't want to spoil it yet but given what they did with the running backs. I am not surprised at all. They didn't carry three. I think if kurt vancouver would have stayed healthy just showed out the way he did not hall of fame game than they may have carried three because you know you don't wanna risk someone blocking <unk> practice squad squad no surprise at all that they carried too and i'm looking forward to seeing the depth chart ahead of the minnesota game to see who starts a quarterback shooting this sunday sunday. We were starting with the trolling. I love it. Evan surprises acute q._b. For you the no <unk> it would have been a waste. I think to have a third quarterback on the roster. <hes> denny laine looked really good but like there was no reason to keep him on the roster so yeah i agree with what he said so and does not have to join the falcons practice squad <hes> he can actually go to any practice squad he wants if no team signs him to their fifty three man roster due on the put that out there in a lot of times these guys yes we make the assumption that they're going to end up on our practice squad <unk> in that's gonna be true of everybody not just at link but the caveat to keep in mind as we go through the weekend and we begin to see see you know the teams put together ten-man practice squad roster so all right. We'll move on because that clearly was not a surprise q._b. We got got it all right wide receiver going to go here next because i think there was one surprise here. It's one that i had actually predicted. A couple of weeks. Ago was reading the tea leaves. Little bit thought this might happen and it did wide receiver. We've got six guys. We know who the top three are. Julio jones muhammed sue calvin ridley after that russel gage had a fantastic preseason. He's great on special teams. We're gonna call him wide receiver four justin hardy. I think we have speculated that. He could be surprise cut. He still has a lot of values receiver. Falcons kept him on from the digital era. He's wide receiver five at wide receiver six. This is where i think a lot of people were curious. What the team was gonna do i had said in speculated that because <hes> marcus green had failed to stand out as a punt and kick returner and if anything he did a terrible job in the preseason even though he was drafted rookie rookie i felt like allama days keys was a much better option overall and in fact he got the final wide receiver for spot over marcus so this is marcus green. This is a little bit of a surprise usually teams lean towards keeping their draft draft player so evan. Go you with this. One your thoughts on these six wide receivers. Do you agree with zacchaeus. Being the choice here was sixth the right number. Whether your thoughts yeah i mean people were talking about them. Potentially keeping seven which i thought was a little rich for that position <hes> i mean i would. I wouldn't have had an issue with it if they did but i i just from marcus green. You know they really seem to have wanted him to be that punt returner <hes> more than actually like his wide receiver ability and he just really didn't show anything during the pre season that would make you want to get rid of <hes> one of these receivers that made the roster sure i mean certainly is made made the roster because he earned the spa. I think margaret green didn't it's like he had the because he was drafted. He kind of had the opportunity not that. It's a concrete thing or anything but you have a leg up on the others like you were saying like they want. They wanted him to win that spot and he just didn't <hes>. I'm sure they're planning on trying to get him on the practice squad and like you said anybody could snatch them up but <hes> certainly. I don't have any problem them with what they're with. <unk> with the wide receiver roster looks like right now. <hes> you mentioned there could be other moves in you know aside from something crazy. This is probably really what we're going to have and russell gauge definitely earned that fourth spot a hearty. Some people were saying should be released or whatever he you know he. He made some decent place during the preseason in if he's wide receiver i mean that's pretty solid like you wouldn't want him starting or being that third receiver but as a v receiver definitely so yeah. I don't have any problems with it at all on your thoughts. On the six receivers america's grain was terrible upon returner this entire season by he just went out. There never really did anything with the ball in his hands muffed two months all one early on the hall of fame game which recovered in then he must win against the jets which was just completely ugly. I agree with you guys. I think they wanted market's going to win that returner spot pod because then they could give him that sixth wide receiver role in they wouldn't have had to keep kenyan barner on the roster which is a luxurious a number of running backs overall which we have now but mark is green. He had the inside track. <hes> came in as a wide receiver as a punt returner absolutely absolutely absolutely did nothing with with his opportunity like you know i wish him while i hope he improves in finds a spot on an n._f._l. Roster in the future maybe next season maybe even on the falcons next season but alarmed as a key us went out there and he proved himself in the preseason he beat out not only mark is green but guys is like christian blake. Shaun bain who were other all undrafted wide receivers fighting for that scott alumnae zacchaeus also will have a <hes> has some value in that he also turned a few months in if anything happens to kenyan order anything can be slotted in the punt returner but i i like. I like at this move. Zacchaeus went out there and earned it. He wasn't given that inside truck. Mark is green didn't earn it and i mean i don't. I'm not really worried. I think they will agree on a practice squad but i'm not really worried about a team liking him author because i wouldn't want him on my football team based on the season already but i just point i think he'll be in training camp next off season flower for our next hour training camp flowery branch down into the point you guys has made. I actually think there would have been higher chance of zacchaeus being plucked off of our practice squad. The marcus green to the point you made on the green did not stand out he had some some terrible plays and i feel like if we had tried to stash zacchaeus <hes> he would have gotten plucked and possibly put on a roster given how he looked into preseason so i think this was a smart move by the team. <hes> they went with someone they went with the better player on the sleet and <hes> they deserve some credit on those only six round pick that they spent a marcus green but you know again. Teams don't like to waste draft capital and i feel like they made the right decision here so good on them. The next group that we're going to move to is pretty interesting because i think this is the one that's going to get the most fans talking through the next week and a half as we get ready for the regular season the running back group. We have six and i'm including a fullback in here so let's keep that in mind obviously the starter is devante freeman. We have either smith cordray allison the draft pick from this year brian hill who had a fantastic preseason kenya john barner who i guess we should put the caveat here that barner is probably going to be treated more like a quote unquote return specialist. It's very very unlikely that he's going to actually see any meaningful snaps at running back in and of course i guess i would say is was the bigger surprise is the fact that the the falcons did keep fullback ricky ortiz so we have six running backs on the roster odd non. Go first your thoughts. I don't know what the heck they're doing here. I understand i was expecting them to carry five running backs because devante freeman guy ito smith you know he's he's go to solid number two running back all new jobs drafted and he'll look good in the preseason brian hill just bought his way onto a roster spot with his performance in training camp preseason even if you did have that one drop touchdown pass anna in the jets game i think it was a i was expecting five five running backs barner one that return job fair and square. He is your return man. What are you doing with ricky ortiz on this roster as your fullback so you're taking away a roster spot from someone else which could have been better utilize keeping someone like keeping someone like on an austin larkin arken or a dull sean phillips whom i really liked the preseason instead you have ricky ortiz as your fullback. He's not even that good of a full bag. This is impact demarco marco. We're talking about here was gonna really contribute. You have a luke stocker who can play some full-back for you if you if need be jaden graham <unk> plates and fullback. I'm just i just am baffled with this move. I have no idea what they were doing keeping ricky ortiz on this roster i i think it's a bad move and i mean i guess i guess if this is the main thing we're complaining about keeping a full back on the roster than it. It's it's pretty it's first world problems in the football world right now. I have no idea what they're doing. <hes> evan your thoughts on six <music> six running back on the falcons. I fifty three man roster. Yeah i mean it's hard to add anything more to <unk> said. Is you know like i would have. I'm looking at the <hes> players we cut in. I would have been more okay if they kept like austin. Marketing chris owed him on the roster opposed to you know why why even avoir tease on up you know it could change still like you said at the top of the show <hes> hopefully it does but like i just don't understand it especially win all of a sudden i believe played some fullback in the final preseason game in like look serviceable like if they really needed him out there <hes> i don't know it would they use news <hes> full the full back position enough even have him on the roster out but looking at everybody else i mean it was they all pretty much deserve to be on the roster. <hes> <hes> tony brooks james. I think was the only running back we actually cut in. He actually had like a pretty good preseason altogether <hes> he had twenty five. You've twenty five carries altogether the averaged over seven yards which was pretty good two touchdowns in any ad that fifty two yard touchdown in the jacksonville game which was like really ed bouchette. It was more of a news more irving. Yeah yeah do more deserving ricky ortiz be on this roster for the non. I agree with that. I had actually correspondent on twitter with jason but of the athletic and he brought up one thing i think he even sort have dismissed it a little bit out of hand something to keep in mind he said one thing i'll say is that or four teas is still dealing with his ankle injury. The team is prohibited it from cutting him without an injury settlement <hes> so you know it and that's a good point i if you cut a player who is injured. You have to give him an injury settlement. Perhaps there waiting for him to get healthy and then they can just cut him outright this in. I think jason even agree. I don't necessarily think that's the case. I think they <hes> <hes> they view ortiz as someone who does well enough on special teams he has some value there and perhaps the they just weren't impressed with what they saw from luke stocker in june graham fullback. They felt like they still wanted him. In for the five or six plays a game. He'll be there as a fullback <hes> so we'll we'll see it's it's <unk> a developing situation. I'm not i'm still not convinced that we're going to go into the middle of the season with six running backs <hes> so we'll we'll see we'll see how this plays out but yeah definitely one of the more interesting <hes> parts of the roster for sure so let's move on the next position -sition. I think is not going to be a huge surprise again. This is going to have a name that i think all of us agreed. <hes> absolutely deserved the spot on the roster and that's the tight end group. We have <hes> austin hooper clearly starter luke stocker. <hes> who i felt like had a pretty decent preseason veteran guy obviously flee more of a blocker than than the receiving threat and then jane graham who was someone falcons brought in last year undrafted out of yale <hes> there were rumors is that apparently <hes> a foia lucon told the team about them and said you guys have got to bring him. Bring this guy in. He's actually really good. They listen. They brought him in to play tai. Dan he stayed on the practice squad. All throughout two thousand eighteen had a really strong preseason this year and he is the third tight end and i think it's fair to say that his strong preseason probably was a factor in the team trading away and moving on from eric sauber so evan. I'll go the on this one your thoughts on these three tight ends and if you feel like this is a good group yeah i mean it's hard to to think of anything. Better that could have happened in the falcons covered a sauber who ended up being cut anyways by the patriots. <hes> graham is probably i mean gauge would have definitely been if he played a lot more but grams been the biggest. I think offensive surprise <hes> aside from mcgarry did the other night. His graham certainly earned his spot. <hes> i think he led the team in receiving yards throughout the preseason just in his willingness to play fullback win warranties went down in the technically. It would have been what the force game <hes> in week three. <hes> you know it shows it was like he's willing to like do whatever to make the roster and he certainly earned it. You know austin hooper was obviously going to be the number one tight end so nothing thin special there <hes> soccer makes the as tied into basically and then they got rid of paulsen in outs gray was one. I was interested in <hes> through the off season because he was on the international program thing so he was finally able to make the roster <hes> but i guess they waived him with an injury settlement or something like that so you know i i like the tight end group. We have been graham certainly in the spot so <hes> <hes> your thoughts on these these three guys lining up a tie them of perfect absolutely perfect cooper stocker. They were going to be on the team regardless. If you cut stalker offer that would have been one point five million dollars in dead catholic. She would have had to eat going to do that. I'm going into this entire process in the summer. I didn't even look at the tight end position. I thought the main competition would have been between all logan paulsen in eric's albert if the team decided to carry three tight ends but i thought that at this that these four guys who per stock or paulsen in salvat how stranglehold on this position in maybe they did but then jaden graham just came and just like played with it's like his hair was on fire. He just inland it up he. He killed all all preseason all training camp. It made eric salver expendable. Eric sauber didn't really improve it all over these past few years he gets traded logan. Paulsen gets cut which was maybe the somewhat of a surprise when it was announced on friday but jagan graham completely earned his spot on this roster in this is just one of my favorite stories of the entire summer process for the atlanta falcons. This is a guy who just like came into training camp worked his butt off improved over the summer in just just earned a spot on the team he made it impossible for the coaches to stash them on the practice squad because he would have been snagged up off of it and he he just forced his way onto this team. I think that this can be an example to other young players. Were going out there trying to achieve their n._f._l. Dreams jason gram just did it. He just did that stuff. He went out there and he earned a spot in rhode article specifically talking about jaden graham in this entire process through the training camp and preseason. It just went live on the site yesterday and i never in my life thought that i would write eleven hundred words on jaden graham when i started when when i started doing this stuff but i love one of my favorite players on this team right now go out there and keep in keep frightening jaden. I'm legitimately excited to see what he can do. In the regular season and that's something we kept hoping that sauber would develop in developing that just never happen and it feels like graham has already made more improvements in his game in one year than sauber didn't three so i think that says a lot and it's clear reason he made the roster in suburb robert was just cut by the patriots as evans said all right last portion of the offensive unit before we move onto the defense the offensive line. We've got nine guys. I don't think there's any surprises here. I'm going to run through the name zero. Quick alex mack jake matthews chris lindstrom jamaa brown james carpenter matt gono tyson bro kayla gary and west schweitzer. I feel like it honestly. This was the unit that i thought would be here at this point in time. No one else you know stood out sean harlow. I think got his last go round with the falcons. I think they're probably going to move on from him. Permanently a <hes> really no big surprises here. I think this unit was going to be set up. Pretty is gonna be hard to crack this unit. If anything you may be hope that they carried ten guys but <hes> they're going with nine and these are the names so odd mon- any surprises anything that stands out to you with the offensive line. No surprises mag gano really stood out in the preseason in an i think there was a legitimate chance that he's going to line up at right tackle in week. One kale gary. I'm glad is healthy and i don't think that hell i'll start. I don't think his conditioning is really there yet. He said that he was tired at halftime the jacksonville game so i think it'll be you know week two or week three before calvin gary israeli thrown into the fire was super the best offensive lineman throughout the entire preseason process for me. I'm just glad that they finally moved on from sean. Harlow giancarlos carlos was a fourth round pick. I think he was the first pick in the dan quinn era absolutely terrible every year every single time i watched him him. He was absolutely dreadful. If i was lining up under center in my life was on the line and sean harlow is blocking for me. I would make peace with their life. This man does not deserve a spot on the scene. I hope is not on the practice squad. I never wanna see him in a uniform again. I wish him well in life but i mean yeah i. I never wanna see him. Blocking for matt ryan again because matt ryan deserves better than that in sodas matt job in sodas danielle link incurred banker in any of our quarterbacks like goodbye sean. Don't let the door who you on the way out holy cow but that it was a gina level. Ask heartache right there evan offensive line hard to follow that <hes> i do agree with uh sean hard i mean i think what makes it worse as they brought him back because didn't he go to go to seattle or something or was it indianapolis bouncing around to bring him back <hes> but now he's gone again so not to worry about that but <hes> no. I mean i like i. I was kinda nervous about them. Potentially starting some great low at right tackle <hes> but mcginlay it was just i was at the jaguars game of the week for jaguars game in everybody was taught like you know in the press box are not supposed to be vocal and stuff. Everybody was like oh my god. He's like bull rushing everybody just knocking the people down he like. He looked the part <hes>. If you go on any social media there's been more <hes> main media talking about him. I forget what the guy's name is. I wanted to do from n._f._l. Network i think baldinger or something like that. Did it good yeah. He did a good analysis on mcgee. During that game he just he had the instincts than i dunno fell start the first couple of weeks eight nine easy men because that was his first real action but <hes> he really like look the part so that's is promising. <hes> you know if they start go gano for the first couple of weeks. I think he's done enough in earn that spot. I wouldn't throw sam brillo out there anything but yeah no. I have no problems with offensive line group. <hes> you know it's pretty much like what you would hope like i mean could we always have better shirt by. <hes> mugabe has some optimism in my is where i'm like okay well. This could be definitely good on the right on the right side but we'll we'll see what happens absolutely so before we jump in the special teams and defensive players at the falcons kept this year. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. This episode is brought to you by cox with contour t._v. 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I'm joined by odd on each evan burchfield from the phallic. <hes> we're talking about the falcons fifty three man roster that they announced on saturday before the four pm cutoff for the <hes> the announcement of the final fifty three and we're gonna talk now on the second half of the podcast about about special teams real quickly. The ones spend too much time on this one. <hes> hot takes on the special teams situation. We're talking about the defense so clearly the falcons kicking situation was getting bad in in went from bad to worse to vecchio struggled. This preseason zain was missing kicks wide left consistently. They brought in blair walsh who had a disastrous audition. If you will for the falcons they signed on him and he came in and did mostly what he has been doing since he got kicked a league a couple of years ago. The falcons finally reached reached out to matt bryant. They agreed to terms on saturday. He will be rejoining the team for the two thousand nineteen season evans excited about this <hes> i'll go to you first <hes> <hes> fox on matt brian bosscher josh harris rounding out our special. Yeah i mean it's a good feeling because it's basically what we're used to <hes>. It was gonna be weird weird having a different kicker back there any ways that you know it kinda helped to vecchio was just terrible the entire preseason <hes> i think it was wednesday or maybe it was thursday morning when it kind of leaked that that brian was coming in for a workout so then thursday night was the jaguars game so they had to becky oh and blair walsh ready in decky kicked the first half <hes> in mistake. If the i think it was like a fifty three yarder or something like that and it was pretty much like the moment if that happened i mean they were pretty much toast to begin with but that that ended his falcon journey in than the second half was blair walsh in <hes>. I mean he didn't look terrible or anything but you know you're not gonna go with blair. Walsh instead of map brian map on friday had his physical well in workout in did all the right stuff in the end now he's now. He's on the falcons in rejoined. The falcons in you know map ball shire's. I map all shirt josh harris. It's still snap balls so yeah. I like. I'm glad special teams is the same where we used to. I didn't want to get going on a rant so it was fun to they. Do i do think it's funny. I have to point out to our listeners. You guys aren't on twitter number. One follow both of our guys evan. I'm an odd non. We'll give you their twitter handles at the end of this but the atlanta falcons accounts directly directly tweeted at evan the map which was fantastic a absolutely fantastic odds on your thoughts on special teams unit now well. I just wanna say for one. I think i'm as happy for zaire. Through the entire lane. Struggling after brian dot released released on matt bosscher had a strong preseason josh heiresses steady as a metronome at lawn snapper and then we go into the kicking situation. The falcons really wanted <unk> giorgio tobacco to have this job. You can tell they gave him a two year your contract last season. They kept to kickers on the roster all of last season they had a plan to transition from brian <unk> vecchio. They didn't bring in any competition. The vacuum throughout training camp in the start of season in alta vecchio had to do was not suck yeah and wouldn't do that. He had it had a kick blocked sure from fifty two yards. He missed that thirty nine yarder <unk> four his kicks <hes>. I think if i don't have it wrong four or five minutes kicks in preseason in the problem is that he looked psychologically shot. We all know you've all seen tobacco's a good kicker kurt. He can make those kicks but when you when you're lost mentally when you don't have that short term memory of the kicker then you're finished in. I could tell with his his body language. He just didn't trust himself. I've seen it with a of wyo with the buccaneers before whom they spent a second round pick on him and and you know he was just like you know he just lost after a while with the bucks but this entire mouth brian choice and i just wanted to take a minute say okay that is this so hard like they botched this they released him and then they went back to him with their tail tucked between their legs the other day they gave him more money than what was on his team option in good from brian forgetting that brawl of his troubles throughout the off season that they they tried to bring him blair walls before i'm blair walsh was naps loot disaster as well. I'm glad that mob ryan is with the team and that this is a happy ending right now now because brian pro bowl level kicker in for you to go from a pro bowl level kicker to temecula potentially missing kicks that would have been noticed special teams. You don't notice special teams until something bad happens. In something bad was going to happen in that a drop off would have been would have been crucial for this team this season it could potentially cost them games that could potentially cost him late in the season the playoffs but i'm glad my brian's back doc. He was still nailing fifty five plus throughout the entire offseason based on videos. We saw on twitter and all's well that ends well. Let's let's get ready for the season absolutely grew. Both you guys. I think enough has been said. Bryant is back. The team i believe has learned a lesson lesson and i think this is it. This is more than likely going to be the last season for bryant in atlanta. At least we know that going in you know it's one year deal. Oh <hes> and i'm glad to see him back and i think it's important that your four no if if he never kicked again for the falcons the way it ended was sloppy as hell l. <hes> he had a game winner against the budget years to finish the season if they had a big lead up to it in happened. It would have been a much. I i mean obviously he wanted to keep kicking but it would have been much cleaner look as on on said dating back with their tail between their legs. It was ugly and now they've got to act like oh. We knew what we were doing all along that's b._s. Nobody actually believes that <hes> a now. They have an opportunity where if he just kicks this is his last season with atlanta or is last season kicking in the n._f._l. In general they get a redo to lay out the red carpet because he certainly deserves it but that's all i gotta say yeah. It'll be awesome if he just finished his career with the super bowl victory this season and you know just wrote off into the sunset that that would be amazing yep with the other i i would prefer blow out in the super bowl but if you've got a game winning kick in the super bowl that would be quite fitting so all right. We're gonna move the game winning kick in the last thing oh no. I'm going to have to drink tonight on. I was going to happen any not so well. <hes> we're gonna move onto the defense and we're going to start on the back end. Instead instead of in the trenches will finish up with a talk about trenches bell start with safety's. We got four for the two thousand nineteen roster. No surprises here here <hes> ricardo olympia under the o- clearly both guys are back. They played. They look like they're at one. Hundred percent can't wait to see them in regular season action the the two backups behind him. Come all ishmail good veteran strong safety. He's played strong safety for most of his time in the career. He's a kinda guy you like. He has started in a pinch a quality player and in straw newsmen who i felt like for some reason the falcons have had this love hate relationship with them and they finally have learned to love him. He is here to stay as a safety odd. Non your thoughts on on the four sixties. Were making the roster in this year on while i am kind of surprised that keanu neil oh just <unk> upset that he made his way onto the non getting no surprise is at all <hes> kamala schnell smell and rodney eastman or the backups. There guys of the team was comfortable with parker. Baldwin was good in the preseason. You know hopefully he latches on somewhere with another another team's practice squad or another team roster but <hes> these are the backups whom the team trusts. They've been with the team for a while. They're comfortable within dan coins defensive scheme kamala schnell is a guy who can drop down into linebacker very versatile whenever you need them to keep it short and sweet no surprises here allan neil ishmael in eastman. I mean i'm fine. I'm fine with this evan. Any additional facially ended ended up. Well you know they got rid of ronna. Martin was released in chris cooper parker baldwin. I don't think they did enough to where it's like. Anybody's gonna lose sleep tonight that they were like oh but <hes> i mean hopefully it doesn't matter who the backup safeties are because neil rico or you want to be perfectly fine so yeah no. That's all i can say over yup. Let's hope they stay healthy. I will say chris. Cooper thought had a really good preseason as well. He had several good games. <hes> i think he may be something <hes> someone that they look to <hes> to stash on the practice squad. Somebody might want to a see how he develops so that's the name to keep an eye out for all right. Let's go onto the cornerback so we've got six and i think you there's some key distinctions here because we've got a couple of guys or <hes> you know. We've got one guy in demotic easy who could always potentially switch over the safety. I sometimes you hear people refer to cornerbacks and safeties as just d._b.'s so we have ten. D._v._d.'s and i think that's a fair assessment but the six corners we've got listed are is as oliver desmond true font <hes> bleeding ray wilson demonte z. and then the two draft picks from this year kendall bill sheffield in jordan miller to me no big surprises. I think if anyone was going to sneak onto the roster it may have been chris cooper <hes> but but i didn't feel like he was a clear upgrade over anyone here so evan will go this one corners <hes> any surprises when you felt like didn't deserve it or <hes> should have made this group. I'm pretty much happy with what i see ryan. You got a lot of action during a preseason <hes> jason stanley kind of looked good towards the end there but then he got <hes> <hes> injured in that final game. I think it was like a shoulder injury <hes> but they waived him probably <unk> injury settlement <hes> but i mean i don't really see anything. That's like going to upset me. You know it's it's pretty much one of the groups. You probably could have predicted <hes> but yeah i'd i i like it. I'm interested to see what isaiah oliver does because i really didn't hear much about him. During the preseason <unk> robert alfred's gone now so you know taking over the starting job so that'll be very interesting and regular season. They're going to have a pretty good. He's going to have a pretty good test off the front. I'll know who is guarding. It'll be there adam thelander two days so he's not going to have an easy game or anything <hes> yeah i like. I like who we have yeah. It's i feel like it's it's a unit with a lot of youth and a lot of guys that fit the dan quinn mold on on your thoughts on these corners. I go evans sentiments of no surprises at all now. I'm having a really really hard time saying the word surprises surprises tonight. Man doesn't refund <unk> oliver or you're starting cornerbacks bleary. Wilson is competent veteran. A veteran backup on the squad casey is going to be your starting slot cornerback and they will put casey on the field as much as possible possible deservedly so he's an absolute ball hawk out there led the entire league interceptions last year sheffield and miller were to draft picks to guys assume you have high hopes for moving forward. Kennel sheffield is arguably fastest person in this draft class. We couldn't see him run his forty time officially kelly because he was he was hurt for it but kendall sheffield runs afford to forty by some by some estimates crossing jordan. Jordan miller is absolutely perfect for dan quinn's cover three zone scheme and i think i think we'll hear will hear more from mm sheffield in miller moving forward. I don't think we'll hear their names very much barring injury or some something catastrophic but no surprise with any of the cornerbacks just like what safeties ready to roll with them <hes> so i i think you know much. Many of these other positions not a ton of <unk> <hes> surprises here so yeah. I'm pleased with this group. Obviously sheffield miller showed enough that you're gonna walk away from this point right and again. If anyone bleary maybe you take a chance on younger guy but like what he offers as a veteran a bigger veteran the kind of body eisai's that dan quinn like so good group of feel feel pretty good about this <hes> we will be talking about a zale oliver. I think <hes> before the regular season gets here because is he someone who's flown under the radar and i find that very interesting especially for someone at the corner position so definitely named to keep an eye on. I think he could be a breakout <music> out candidate for the defense this year all right next group. The linebackers got some this is. I am really legitimately excited about this group of linebackers news with maybe one exception we are keeping five linebackers this year and here the names dion jones obviously early devinder campbell for your sawday lucon. Germain grace has made the roster fifty-three master and of course i do crowley about it was not intentional <hes> and the the big name here who did not make the roster was <hes> the veteran they brought in last year bruce carter he <hes> he ended up being the odd man out and i think exist that was a direct result of the fantastic fantastic preseason of germain grace so i'm on the on this one linebacker comebacker whether you think on german grace was absolutely fantastic. I would have been legitimately upset if you would have been left off this roster every time every single game every time i i looked up. He was making a play on defense all fantastic. He added that interception against i think it was a new york jets or maybe it was the dolphins and my memory's kind of easy right now for he brought about driving a two yard line and then sean harpo had a holding penalty in only a field goal out of it but i di gra but but <hes> german grace was awesome. I think duke riley did just enough in a preseason game against the redskins where he had that fantastic run stopped <hes>. I think dan quayle was going to talk himself into keeping duke riley on the team. He just needed to see something in he saw something in that game because does juge riley is he was technically a third rounder but they traded back into the early third round. He was actually the team second rounder in. I think twenty twenty seventeen if i have not yet in twenty seventeen so if i'm not super shock the duke riley is on the team bruce carter he. He gave us some very valuable snaps last year when he replaced duke riley who was absolutely awful last season. I think <hes> carter will be there in case we need him hill. He'll be the first call they make off free agency. He's familiar with the game so hopefully nothing happens but if it does then. I don't think think we've seen the last two bruce carter. One guy in i mentioned it earlier del chantal to someone who who also really impressed me in this preseason someone who i think had. Maybe an outside shot of a of making this team. I hope that he'd on a- practice squad they waived him and gave him an injury resettlement but i hope this isn't the last we've seen of him but you know i mean who who needs who needs solid defensive play when you can keep the target is that <hes> explained it perfectly. I i just i think with grace with the exception of jalen graham. I don't know of anybody who has earned a roster spot more on this team and you could say he may have even even earned it more than graham. He's just another example of this team drafting or not drafting somebody bringing somebody in and then he goes off but comes back unlike the bryant bryant hill did with going to cincinnati. I believe in coming back germaine grace they had brought <unk> undrafted in twenty seventeen. I i believe that if my mind serves me right he went to or he was with us had like a decent preseason or whatever <unk> team opted to keep bringing sean weatherspoon it was like old at that point <hes> and they let him go and then he went to he bounced around went to the colts the browns seahawks and then we came he came came back and all of a sudden this this preseason. He's lighting it up. He had <hes> he had an interception for touchdown and then i think in the last game he did but there was like a flag or something but he he's got that <hes> k._c. Thing where it's like. You don't know what you wanna do with him but you just know you want him on the field because it's he's he's a weapon ex-packer <hes> which is kind of like what casey's been showing <hes>. I'm very excited about him because i hate to brag or anything like that but i was one of those like when we first brought him in i was like because i already knew who he was in. I was really hoping the team would keep him in obviously usually he didn't end up on our practice squad <hes> or make the roster but when he came back i was thrilled because i didn't know like i'm not going to say i know what what he's doing now these balling out <hes> this whole preseason but he knew he had some potential any showing. I couldn't be happier form. He's definitely learned a spy <hes> yeah. I mean any so young too. It's like we. We have a great young defense. I mean if you look at the team. Overall our veterans quote unquote are like kiana neon dion jones. It's like you know you're still young lady gary. That's already leaders in their not <unk>. They're younger than i am. I i mean. I don't know i love the defense. <hes> just shows you. They're obviously going to take a leap leap this year because we've got healthy guys and stuff like that but it's like even the de is great so by it's tough to follow up on onset because he broke it down so perfectly and so i just wanted to focus on grace 'cause he's stood out clearly to everyone agree with both you and and i'm excited about grace dan quinn bottom the guys got fantastic coverage abilities <hes> you know he may need to work on his run <hes> his run defense but you put this guy against a running back and i feel like he's an yet again another linebacker that can stick with guys in coverage which is in in today's n._f._l. L. is arguably more important than the run stopping <hes> so to wrap up our conversation about the defense. We're going to talk about the defensive line nine nine guys over all this is going to include both interior and the pass rushers because i think this year we're going to see some odd formations. We saw some five two formations formations from the falcons upfront in the preseason. We could see some truth. Three four looks with guys tack kinley standing up <hes> so we're just going to treat the defensive offensive line is one unit nine guys here the names alan bailey who they recently signed from kansas city adrian clayborn who's coming back from the when <hes> when you're with patriots john kaminski the fourth round draft pick attack mckinley vic beasley junior evans favorites. It's jack crawford. <hes> who is criminally underrated <hes> fantastic interior pass rusher deodorant who think many people thought might be on the bubble. He has made the roster roster tyler davidson who was arguably one of the free agent signings of this off season and of course crazy jarrett grady did make the roster oster this year one name that we are not saying rasheed hagman who <hes> the falcons could potentially still carry on the roster he will not count towards is a fifty three because he has served a two game suspension at the beginning of the season so you could potentially say this defensive line has ten <hes> and i'm not sure if someone that factors into the long term plans for the falcons <hes> but he could be carried for the first two weeks cut in week three or the teen in could look to make moves full-back to keep him. We'll see that's that's. That's something that's certainly going to be a spoke. We the foul colleague. We'll keep an eye on that all right. Evan your thoughts on this defensive line any guys. You feel like maybe should have made it. That didn't make it here. I mean guessing <unk> liked would austin larkin was showing but at the same time i don't see anybody who makalake who made it that that i would want to get rid of except for you know if you start looking elsewhere and get rid of ortiz. I would have been fine with that but i mean everybody who's on the defensive line. <hes> pretty much earned their spot mickey. Look great this preseason. <hes> you know he was kind of limited towards the beginning of preseason but then when he did play looked really good that everybody remembers the mckinley interception happened. I think even the board game and you know oh. Everybody focuses on that but that was because sonata got back there in basically punched the ball out you know in mckinley just happened here. Yeah i mean i don't i'll have a problem with its defensive line at all <hes> if you notice they're all kind of molding into like they're all basically have one trait in common in its at. They're all all kinds of high motor guys or they don't take they don't slack off or they shouldn't be what dang gwynne basically has been preaching forever. <hes> even kaminsky in the preseason games. You'd see him like pretty much. Get pushed out of the play but he'd still run across and get back involved. He was in taking golf plays. <unk> mattered all <hes> bottoming. I loved the defensive line. I think it could be one of the strengths of the falcons this year. <hes> that's saying a lot considering. They've been piss poor for as long as i can remember <hes> all of a sudden. It's always been something thing we go into the season like oh god i wonder with a pass rusher run stoppers what it's going to look like this season. I actually don't have that a feeling <hes>. I'm pretty excited about it. Even vic beasley as bad as he's been is like look good in limited action. He's had <hes> intact back you know he. He looked good when he played too. It's <hes> it's going to be very interesting in like yeah you were saying jack. Crawford is underrated. I think <hes> <hes> also i think tyler davidson who we signed a in the off season who who was pretty good rotational player with the saints for many years <hes> <hes>. That's a very underrated signing. I think in limited action he seen look nearly good too so it's like i don't know who you would complain about removing moving to bring one of these guys that got cut back onto the roster aside from you know like i said looking at a different position but no i'm content with this defensive line on that is often good you on any the final thoughts on the defensive line. I really liked the defensive line. There's no superstars outside of grady jarrett in potentially tax mckinley. Hopefully this season but i think this is the deepest unit on the team except for maybe wide receiver everyone on this team deserves to be on the team like evans said i think any he one of these nine guys if the falcons had parted ways with any one of them they would've immediately been on another team's roster they brought in alan bailey lee which eases my concerns about the pass rush out we're not super reliant now on tack in vic beasley having to go out there and how great seasons as <hes> as pass rushers hopefully they do but before the alan bailey signing had one of them underperformed than it would have we would have been left with adrian clayborn born who's solid but who's not like going to go out there as this like incredible pass rusher unless he's playing chaz green in the cowboys grade <hes> <hes> john kaminsky looked really good in that hall of fame game. I remember he was maybe the teams best player even punt coverage. He was always the first player downfield appealed in punt coverage. That's insane for a man of his size he he was solid. He's someone who i was always looking forward to watching especially mostly in the late in the game when the starters were out and it was just like a punishment app to watch those games because they can get really rough <hes> jack crawford super solid very good player. I think he was second on the team. In sacks last season deodorant not was a third round pick and he it shows himself last season. He was very solid. I'm glad he made the team. Tyler davidson is someone. I'm i'm excited about. We snagged him from the saints. He's maybe abo the best run style for on the team outside of grady jared. You know he's a specialist <hes> as a run stopper in this entire unit. I mean very good very good unit. There are gonna be able to rotate. Dan coin loves to rotate is defensive line. Defensive line is bread and butter butter. That's what he he came up of teaching. That's his background right. There in we finally have like evans said for the first time in. I don't even know how long this defensive line is an area of strength and i'm excited for going into the season so to round out the podcast. Go the each of you. Once i want should give me one name. That was cut that you feel like <hes> is someone to watch out for for the future for this team <hes> or that you think even potentially could end up at some point on the two thousand nineteen roster odd non. Who's that one name that was cut that you think hey this. Guy's got the chance of of becoming something someday delphine phillips someone. I've mentioned him a couple of times. I don't think that the team would really call him. This season. I think <hes> bruce carter will be called before him just in in case but is someone in the future. He really impressed me throughout this entire preseason. I really liked what i saw from him out. There making plays <hes> unfortunately finally didn't end up on the team but i think i don't think this is the last we've heard of del. Sean phillips is how i'm gonna put all right pencil that name in falcons fans pay attention for twenty twenty one these think <hes> the falcons aren't really lies as you saw what i saw from daily <hes> i've for many years wondered if the falcons would cause they really haven't invested in any any sort of developmental <hes> they had <hes> sean renfrew <hes> john renfrew in that was like the most they actually did with it until banker looked good in obviously got her for emily. I thought had a solid week four preseason so it's is not like he was playing starters or anything but <hes> he so athletic <hes> you can see why the patriots moved him to receiver briefly before they got rid of a aw in his pocket. Presence is really good <hes> i think he tries to run a little bit more than he probably should. <hes> by. I i mean. I thought you know apply not. Don't you know if he if he makes it through. Put him on the practice squad. You know see what you can get out of the next year. <hes> in like i wanted to go with <hes> austin larkin in just because i thought he had a really solid preseason also <hes> he was like one of the leading tacklers so those would be the two but i like deadliest settling lot so we'll see for me. It was chris cooper a thought he we looked pretty good this preseason. The falcons actually signed them to a two year contract so i i think they like what he has to offer. He's a name i'm gonna i pay attention to <hes> throughout the season. I think they're going to again. Try the statue stash him on the practice squad. <hes> some of the key on <hes> should the team have any injuries. He's someone could potentially sneak on the roster in two thousand nineteen if anyone gets banged up and has to take some time off so with that. We're going to wrap up this a special edition that the faculty podcast. I'm going to go to these two guys to let them tell you where you can find them. <hes> they do fantastic work at alcoholic dot com of course we can find on oliver. Write ups in all of our analysis of the roster the games. Everything's coming up for this exciting two thousand eighteen season evan. Tell you you find us on twitter at burchfield <hes> usually talking about will not so much matt brian anymore because especially back so pretty much fantasy football falcons at this point. There's really nothing else to talk about. <hes> in working on a will have a after the game aim. I got to talk to jack. Crawford in e actually said a lot about the defensive line <hes> so i'll have been article on that in <hes> yeah. Just i'm <music>. I'm so ready for the regular season against here. <hes> you know it's like once once. The off season is kinda. Slowing down there <hes> towards towards training camp like it picks back up preseason just gives you a little taste a real football but not enough to quench your thirst so to speak so now that we got some real action in coming up a very excited going against the vikings is going to be a really good test for this team <hes> though yeah examining always odd none so our listeners really can find you what you've gone. I don't want you guys to find. I'm getting find me at say which way on twitter that's my twitter handle also talking a lot of football a lot of atlanta sports in general you can find my work on the falcons <unk> which you know i'm. I'm a little biased but i think i think it's the best site borough falcons news. It's just a one stop shop. All of our writers take everyone on the staff. 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Falcons vs Vikings - Week 1 postgame analysis

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Falcons vs Vikings - Week 1 postgame analysis

"Want to know more about what your favorite ninjas have on their minds. Check out the american ninja warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any any ninja warrior fan guys welcome to the first edition of the two thousand regular season addition of alcoholics post game podcast podcast of the falcons on the espionage in podcast network dave walker and i am joined by my co host for the season evan burchfield fellow writer at the alchoholic evan. How're you doing as good as i can be. After that yeah you know i often often. Tell folks that follow me that. If you are a falcons fan in you don't drink. You probably should especially after the game. That was a rough one. Obviously the falcons dropped their season opener in minnesota. They lost twenty eight to twelve in. I don't think even that score tells the full story. Rely those points for the falcons came towards the back half of the game win. Some of it appeared that they were mostly out of reach at that point <hes> i would. I'd say that this was disappointing on all three fronts <hes> in the offense the defense even special teams. They all had a major gaffes gaffes <hes> during the game so let's just start with offense in evan whether some of the things that stood out about the falcons offense you think maybe held them back today. It really was disappointing to you. <hes> there was absolutely no run game. I mean i know minnesota's got a great run defense in they perhaps committing years in stuff but <hes> ryan had to throw the ball forty six times i mean that also plays into us being down but freeman finishing with a series aries for nineteen yards as exactly what a lot of people respected with him coming back from injury so yeah i mean there's just <unk> averaging look bad <hes> ryan taken way too many shots. The vikings have tremendous pass rushers in everson griffen daniel hunter but at the same time it i was just like he looked uncomfortable. He made one of bonehead decisions which i'm not sure if it was more of e made a mistake or he was just in a panic because he didn't wanna get killed again like he seemed like he kept kept happening too <hes> but i mean really no positive takeaways as you said. The score looks a little better because as some junk time <hes> you know like julio jones touchdown in the ridley touchdowns nice <hes> by yeah. It's just it's hard. Take any positives way on offensive side yeah you know i think going into this game. Fans were hoping that the falcons offensive of line was going to be just top notch revamped and to be honest. I think that expectation was maybe a little bit. <hes> out of sync with reality because the the truth is offensive. Lines need a little bit of time to get their act together. <hes> it's the one unit and football were communication. Time together is critical. Gina has spoken about it repeatedly. I it's something we've seen ourselves as falcons fans <hes> <hes> so the fact that they were starting to rookies on the offensive line against a top tier pass rush was probably always going to be doomed for some level of failure <hes> that said i thought chris lindstrom held up decently until he went out with injury. We don't know what the extent of injury is yet. We do know he was in the walking boot. <hes> after the game so we will definitely keep can i on that. <hes> and kill mcgarry was getting rotated in and out probably for conditioning reasons more than anything with thais umbro <hes> and he looked decent in the running game <hes> terrible in the passing game so you know not exactly a glowing endorsement of those guys and actually i would say it was jake matthews who struggled the most on to yeah in. I think you know so if when you're a top tier left tackle is struggling that's really just setting the entire tire day up for failure at that point <hes> because they needed him to win one on one <hes> but i in funny because some of the guys on the offensive line that i felt like we're invisible on a good way james carpenter. I didn't really see anything bad from him or he didn't stand out in a bad way. <hes> and again i felt like lindstrom was mostly invisible and feel like he he had a notable gas was that your impression as well of the offensive line was that it was just sort of you know bad overall but not necessarily any specific guy yeah well. I'm glad you mentioned matthews because it's that's why i'm kind of hesitant on blaming anybody because i think it just showed how how good the vikings defense pass rushers are as i mentioned everson griffen and daniel hunter supremely underrated if they played for like the steelers everyone would know so <hes> griffin missed some time last year during the season so he's getting a full healthy season because he was dealing with personal issues but now he's got a full. Oh healthy season. He put a nasty spin move on jake. Matthews just silly like embarrassing so that's why i'm kind of hesitant you know blaming <hes> mcgarry for anything. He didn't do anything that jake matthews pro bowl jake matthews <hes> you know did so. It's kinda like you know you wanna move on week too but i didn't see anything. That was kinda like oh. Gosh mcgarry looks terrible. It's just you know. Hopefully you know he's. He's gonna wind. Obviously this was the first game he was basically thrown into the fire against any hunter like it was even where one of the place where ryan went down <hes> daniel hunter was supposed to be also kinda chipped by austin hooper who didn't mcgarry was like pretty much. I left on his own. Even though i think he was just posted like help with blocking out thinki- was committed to either way it was just like it wasn't like he did something. That's screwed up the whole offensive line. I mean the whole offense really in general aside from like russell gauge look good in limited action. He had <hes> he had a really good catch. That pretty much showed he was imprisoned. His crises informed job but he was completely out of bounds but that wasn't his fall <hes>. Tom went up in snagged in landed. You know kind of like where he injured his hip or whatever so that you know it shows at least back to his athletic ability. He's not lend that injury or whatever was slow down but i mean that's pretty much. It really looked good. <hes> did pretty well. His a limited number of areas made some good jokes and stuff to make defenders smith and you could argue that actually look better than freeman. I know this adversary certainly yeah the stats back that up six carries thirty one yards five point two average so definitely a bit better. <hes> austin hooper also had a pretty very strong game nine receptions seventy seven yards past that. I don't think you know there's nothing really to to brag about for the offense. <hes> ryan was thirty three forty six three hundred four yards two touchdowns receptions. Those interceptions were back breakers. One was thrown into double triple coverage when he got pressured and <hes> and lead to a viking such down score and then the other one was in the end zone now the in in looking at that play again and the announcers that i i was watching on the TV made the same point. It looked like the tight end gave up on the play when he shouldn't have at minimum had <hes> not stocker. I'm sorry yeah had had stockard not given up on the play. There's a chance that he at least can contest for the ball. Yeah yeah so i i don't know if you can completely threw a ryan under the bus for that end zone interception but it was still a backbreaker because dr end. It looked like they were going to score on that drive. I saw somebody mentioned on twitter and it was a fair argument that in that situation i think ridley freeman i'm in and julio where all field i think dipped someone's like why are we even in. This is the kind of criticism people gave sark at least definitely back in when the falcons played philly in week one last year <hes>. It's just like what you doing like. You have all these weapons and you have. You're you're going to luke stalker like at least jade ingraham. I would say he's probably gonna at least show up for yeah. I just it's just kinda like boneheaded in it. I don't want to smash the panic by <unk>. You'd have to be ignorant to just be like okay. These aren't red flags at all. I mean hopefully will improve on it but there's no reason to have luke stalker in that situation <hes> and that was his only target of the game too and it's like it came off <unk> such big play because if the falcons score they're all of a sudden you know you could kinda tell they were relaxing towards the end of the game <hes> all of a sudden. They were only down to touchdown so yeah. It's <hes> it's one of those things where i think <hes> your offensive corners can often over think things and that is a major frustration <hes> because like you said when you have three or four top weapons out in your targeting luke freaking king stalker who is not even your he's not even a receiving tight end. He's one of your blocking tight end it. You're getting way too clever. Use the guys who you're paying big money to. You're paying big money to julio. You're paying big money to devante freeman. You know come on these are the guys that you should be putting in there in the in the red zone and targeting so i think there's a lot of criticism the ground and certainly in that case dirk koetter he is. He's an experienced coordinator. He's a smart coordinator nater but that was just a very very poor series overall and honestly we're going to have to see you know how they bounce back. Ah against philli when things i will say that i'm i'm slightly encouraged by that. We did not see hardly at all from two thousand sixty two thousand eighteen gene was cutter was willing to let ryan go to the line and call the plays a little bit more frequently <hes> and it's something that we thought he would be doing this year and we did see it. <hes> throughout this this game and i mean this is going to be mind blowing but it seemed like when the falcons were in the no huddle they <hes> were having a lot more success moving moving the ball so take that for what you will <hes>. Obviously you know that's it's a small sample size but it's always felt like when ryan has had the ability to make plays his play calls at the line of scrimmage. The team has fared better on offense any last thoughts on the offense eban four move on and talk about what we saw from defense spa pretty much mentioned earlier ryen heaven to throw the ball forty six times is not how you win games <hes> unless you're scoring sixty points or something because you know we'll talk about in second but when you look in her cousins through ten passes that i mean that's all you really need to know about this game. Good kinda like you just know that in creating much guests who won move onto the defense yeah absolutely and one final note because someone on twitter pointed this out to me and at first i was like there's no way there's absolutely no way that this is the case and he said yeah you know. The falcons actually have more yards in this game and when i went back and looked a sure enough he was exactly right. <hes> you know they had a little over three hundred seventy yards. It's the vikings had a just over two seventy total. The falcons outgained the vikings on the day and and i think you could make a very very strong argument that the turnovers the devante freeman fumble <hes> the matt ryan interceptions. You take those away. This game is probably a lot closer closer than the final score. It felt like <hes> so if anything i think for those people who are freaking out about this game about the offense keep in mind you take away those turnovers and this is likely a much much closer game overall than the twenty eighth twelfth score would indicate so <hes> going into the eagles game. I think if they can clean up that stuff a clean up the turnovers. This don't think we're going to see a repeat performance of this. <hes> check out the american ninja warrior podcasts for a behind the scenes. Look at all the action of the show and more with your favorite competitors listening subscribe wherever ever you get your podcasts. Hey i'm spencer hall. I'm holly anderson. I'm ryan nanny. I'm jason kirk and we're the host of the shutdown. Full cast your avengers singers of college football podcast it says in the script onto riff on what that means and basically what i mean is it's all spoiled every tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro pro wrestling too unfashionable pants worn middle school. We also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the early and unfashionable and fashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite favorite podcast app. Let's move onto the defense because i feel like this is another area where we have heard all offseason. Dan quinn an i. I've been beating the drums well. Dan as defense coordinators can make all the difference. They're getting these guys back and what we saw was a team that you <hes> they only gave up ninety eight yards passing but they gave up one hundred seventy two on the ground and i think in fairness to the defense they were because of some of those turnovers. They were forced to defend short fields. There was a blocked punt. The gave him a short field. There is a <hes> devante freeman fumble game relatively short field so they were put in some bad situations <hes> throughout the game and i felt like that you can only throw so much criticism on them <hes> but when you think about this falcons defense evan what's one of the things that you think jumps out good or bad about this unit first thing <hes> you know for the last couple of shows i was talking about how the defensive line. I was excited about while they completely let me down <unk> horrible. There was no run defense on all it just seemed like cook could just walk in there every time and i said you know everybody any likes to make fun of kirk cousins eight for ten touchdown ninety eight yards like he didn't need to do anything because dalvin cook had twenty one carries one hundred eleven yards in two touchdowns and even the vikings rookie running back madison had forty nine yards off ninety areas like all day new. Do you know mike zimmer is a very underrated coach in has been even when he was a coordinator but it's like they knew exactly how how to beat us. They they realized that probably in the first quarter they went okay. All we introduce run the ball and that's exactly what they did. <hes> they kirk cousins didn't have an opportunity opportunity to do anything wrong because he only threw the ball. Ten times in eight of them were caught <hes> their receivers. Everybody puts such a focus on how we gonna the stop feeling and <hes> it didn't matter because between the two of them they only had five catches <hes> it's just they i mean you look added outcoached and outplayed <hes> i mean i don't know how to say and then oliver you know he you give him some slack because it was his real first start right but there was at one ugly play where instead of going up for cook he basically went to block. I think it was stealing on <unk> contest theline or whatever like instead of engaging cook. He basically went in for a. I don't know it just looks like a madman. Glacier relate yourself <unk> was like why why are you going to absorb a block by phelan instead of going to make the tackle for coach than cook ended up scoring on that play but by it's just like little stuff like that <hes>. I don't know we finally got to see all the pieces put together and they basically let down. I would say yeah. I think that's a fair assessment. I will say i think this is again something to keep in mind. I and i know some people are going to hear this dave. You're DWI-ING positive equipping an optimist. I do think it bears repeating. This was the first first game back for ricardo allen county neil <hes> they're probably still getting back up to regular game. Speed preseason does not prepare guys the way the regular season does <hes> dion jones. It's been a while since he's been in there. You know he played towards the back in the last season but he hasn't played it all in in training camp and the preseason you know so for those guys are probably still getting back up to speed that said i do think we saw glimpses of the defensive line bringing some things together together tyler davidson the thought played fairly decent. Grady jarrett was his normal dominant self. Thank god for him. <hes> but outside of that you you know everyone else was sort of a <hes> it. Just it was disappointing as you mentioned. The run game for the vikings was working so well they they didn't need to pass it like you said they got into the the third quarter and they basically decided they were just going to burn the clock with with the lead up. Put on us at that point so it's it is one game. It's a game where a lot of starters were coming back for the first time <hes> so. I don't want to overreact in. I know a lot of the people are going to overreact because it's the nature of football. It's like sports. Politics and religion. Don't tell people to feel about the <hes> <hes> uh but i will say this. The NFL has a crazy history of giving false impressions in the very first game in season it. It happens every single year without fail game. One is never an indicator of how the rest of the season is gonna go. There are things to be concerned about with this falcons defense or things to be concern about with the falcons offense at the same time. I'm a firm believer that the talent is dare it. They just need time to get it together. I think it will happen <hes>. It's they need to make it happen sooner rather than later or else. They're gonna have lots of fans. They're going to run out of the patients very quickly if they haven't already any so evan one thing i wanted to point out to you. I know you're gonna have a deep appreciation for this. You pointed this out to me in our writers chat nothing thing this pretty funny. The falcons spent a good bit of the tail end of their preseason trying to get the kicker situation worked out <hes> ultimately differently choosing too wisely bring back falcons legend matt bryant the for another season and he did not kick a single oh ball because on the to touch tells the falcons had they didn't even go for a point after kick. They went for a two point conversion. Do you think this was <hes> primarily the falcons thinking strategy or where were they just trolling the fans by refusing bryant kick. I feel like they were trolling me because i literally spent the entire off the thin before knowing vecchio <unk> beating the drums for matt ryan to come back honestly. That's what i was most excited for football obviously but i was like man. It's going to be cool. See him at bryant kick a field goal today after all the like crap i i went through for the last month and then it's like okay. They're not even gonna get into field goal range for him to kick and then they finally do score and i'm like oh well you know gives a point after in nope. They go for two and it's just like. Is there any like better job. I mean like he he held out so he didn't have to come like him and his family moved off a uniform house in alabama <hes> he gets to spend the whole whole off season with them. <hes> not having to go to do the little mini camping and stuff like that and then they end up paying him what more than what they released him for yeah i think so yes so then he comes back and he doesn't even have to kick imagine showing up to work. They're like just hang out you just saying we're not doing anything. I want to work in like none of it's his fault either like it just didn't like i can't even i. It's funny really him. The whole game is is like a really bad dark comedy. It feels like some i wanted to point out some notable stats from the game for those of you are in the fantasy in and those were into the history of the game matt ryan did actually pass <hes> help fittingly for him to do it in minnesota he passed fran tarkenton nsen on the all time yardage list for NFL history so i believe he is now number eleven on the list <hes> so he's he's probably gonna break a few more <hes> this season before it's all said and done but that was a notable milestone so even in the midst of a bad game <hes> he still was setting some records kurds <hes> for fantasy fans out there austin hooper nine receptions seventy seven yards <hes> i have him on my fantasy team and i wish i didn't have him on my pets behind hunter henry sorry calvin relief for perception sixty four yards one touchdown and julio jones six receptions thirty yards one touchdown for those of you <hes> who are keeping up with fantasy. Those are some falcons players. That probably stood out this weekend. <hes> on your team out there definitely some folks late he he did give us any final thoughts about this game offense defense special teams. There's nothing in particular. <hes> you know like you were saying you just got to somehow coach spend today being mad but you know be optimistic <hes> the patriots. I'm not comparing us to the patriots. 'cause you know nobody's the patriots but they always do this. Where maybe not the same effect. Maybe this is a bad you know example but they usually have like a terrible loss and because they get so much media attention. Everyone's like oh. Tom brady done. Oh is blah. Blah blah blah blah and just make a big thing out of it and then of course they end up winning the superbowl that year like it's one game <hes> we're not probably not going to do that but just trying to give have some optimism because i really don't know where else to find it. <hes> next week we have the eagles i think on prime time right in <unk> sunday night <hes> <hes> and julio <hes> not sure if this updated but it might be going into this game today but he shows him at <hes> ten thousand seven hundred thirty thirty one yards so if it's not what he had today <unk>. What did he finish with today. He finished with thirty one yard. Basically he's what nine nine hundred or ninety nine. If this is accurate he's about one hundred or ninety nine away from being the falcons all time leading receiver in yards so i mean that's that's something to look forward to because it'll be at home on prime time in you know i'm sure the social media guys all all have it ready to go on there but <hes> you know there's some stuff to look forward to in its only week one <hes> you hoped him courtesy and then we have the AFC south for a couple of games after you know starting in week three so we have some games. That should be one. I think the cardinals are in there too or maybe not the right yeah in them. We finish off <hes> who was at the rams. I should've had this up the rams in the seahawks i think and then we go into the bye week in week nine. I think so you know we. We have some tough games ahead. <hes> hopefully the team if the if they come out and beat the eagles next week <unk> pretty good today against <unk>. <hes> one in one is fine. We won't even really worry about <hes> the vikings game especially if we end up being two in one you just hope that they learn from this because they did look a little prepared <hes> in this game <hes> just hope like. I said they learned from it. Because i don't know what else you can do after getting beat that bad agreed and i think for the coaches they're going going to emphasize again protecting the ball this week which was an absolute critical component of what happened to that you take away those turnovers turnovers. I think that this is a slightly different game. Maybe a lot closer than what we saw gonna. I'm going to hammer on that because the the devante freeman fumbled to matt ryan interceptions <hes> they were backbreaking so even feel score drives. You just flip the field you you know you can pin demand-side their ten. It's the complexion of the game is probably a lot different than what it was <hes> so i think this is a bitter pill <hes> in even as angry as upset as we are as fans. I think the thing to keep in mind is i can guarantee you matt ryan. Julio jones devante anti freeman. All of those guys are ten times more upset with the performance. They put out there and now. I think this is the time for them to bounce back. I think they will the talents there. The leadership is there. <hes> this was just a rough. Go of it happens. We all have bad days. They had a really bad one on the national stage. So <hes> you know the next game next sunday night against eagles is going to be a much better indication of where this team they can bounce back and beat the eagles team that will tell us a lot about their ability to recover from a poor outing so with that said evan wants you to our listeners can find you what you've got going on. You can find me at the alcoholic dot com and on twitter at edinburgh field <hes> i have brother the week coming up on in tuesday basically is going to be hard this week but basically it highlights. A player who did ally who is in like matt ryan and julio jones was pretty selfless in there place sorta thing <hes> not player yeah so <hes> also on fridays or saturdays depending on what we have going on <hes> all avai eh fantasy preview that isn't just four falcons related <hes> it's also for NFL <hes> in general so do you have any questions <unk>. DM me on twitter at edinburgh field or you can email me at the falcons <unk> eddin yahu and <hes> it'll be article appreciate you have me on as always is guys you can find me on twitter at alcoholic dido you of course sir on the falcons podcast gene thomas here on the post game podcast and my articles write ups at the falcons dot com so forever burchfield. This is david walker. Thank thank you guys for tuning in stick with us. We've got fifteen more of these to do and hopefully more than fifty two season <music>. Thanks guys to talk with you.

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