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"dr thomas noguchi" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe
"I think that before she realized that she was slipping away she died with the phone in her hand so i believe she was even reaching out for help if you're going to call something a suicide you really should have some basis some clinical history destitute ticket we're in homicide or murder doesn't have to say who she learns that welcome to part nine of the killing of alan monroe i'm your host jackie moran in the last episode we heard how in the early hours of august fifth nineteen sixty two the world's most famous actress had been found her housekeeper eunice murray naked and unconscious on her bed surrounded by empty pill bottles and clutching her telephone by the time sergeant clemens of the LAPD arrived at around four thirty AM she was long dead on the bed marilyn was arranged on the exact same position of one of those lots of her body and that nude calendar clemens said in this episode we will see how in the days and weeks following maryland's death the uncertainties and disorders surrounding her demise were increase and with them mounting evidence that foul play was involved the confusion began almost from the moment maryland's body was discovered when marilyn monroe died interesting fact her body lay in the morgue unclaimed because she didn't have family it was kind of like well should her lawyer claim it should press agent claim it should her made claim it who's going to claim her body joe demise yo flu claimed her body and made the arrangements for her funeral and paid for it and patriarch crept otherwise who knows what would have happened to her maryland was taken to the los angeles county coroner's office where an autopsy was performed to try to find out exactly how and why she died assigned to perform the actual autopsy sunday morning was dr thomas noguchi japanese-born surgeon who had moved to the united states in one thousand nine hundred eighty two ironically about six years later on july six nineteen sixty eight it was the same doctrine noguchi than the chief medical examiner for los angeles county who performed the autopsy on robert kennedy drew's assassination at the ambassador hotel doctrine iguchi was not simply trying to establish the cause of marilyn's death but to determine the manner of her death it's an important distinction as forensic pathologists zero wacked explains my experience as a forensic pathologist back to nineteen sixty two during which time i've done about twenty thousand top sees every viewed signed off or sucralose out forty thousand others medical examiners coroners have to deal with manner of death not only caused deaths doctors and hospitals of regular cases just just fill out a death certificate putting down causes death and coroners medical examiners you have additional boxes one of which is to be checked and the man route thirty five of them in decreasing order of frequency of occurrence natural accidents suicide homicide our undetermined marilyn monroe was the most famous woman in america and her sudden shocking death had made headlines worldwide everybody wanted to know what happened and so dr new gucci naturally was determined to be thorough in his examination gucci removed her kidneys and intestines for further study he announced at the time these specimens are vital in determining the mode of death without them we can only indulge in speculation don't you take material from the stomach whatever's there and from the blood and from the liver you take the material from the i six ten inches or so of the small intestine and then similar from the next twelve inches or so on and you do that that kind of said mental analysis we'll give you an idea whether the drug may have been taken sporadically intermittent employee as opposed to one large dose that would be the case with a suicide specimens were turned over to the mortgage chief toxicologist aiman j. abernathy who ran tests only on the blood and liver not on the other organs removed junction gucci quite properly collected those take materials from the stomach and small intestine submitted into the toxicology lab there at the emmys office however when dr gucci returned to the lab to pick up the results he was told something very surprising current is it took samples from specimens of physical specimens that was supposed to be analyzed and they were all of a sudden and missing when the gucci days later approached abernethy for the test results he was shocked when he was told that the body parts had been disposed of because abernathy felt that no other tests are needed tissue samples that could have been proved how the drugs were administered to marilyn and somebody took the specimens and i'm down the toilet but this was crucial evidence in the laboratory based tests of the autopsy simply vanished so there was no laboratory work of the woman's to be lost even more rare for them to be accidentally discarded and then when you're talking about a major celebrity like marilyn monroe.
"dr thomas noguchi" Discussed on The Killing of Marilyn Monroe
"Sergeant clemens found marilyn's naked body artfully sprawled across the rumbled sheets of her bed arranged in his words as if for a nude photo shoot in one hand was the telephone receiver and on the bed stand were a large number of empty bottles of painkillers. Marilyn's body was whisked away and take into the l._a. County coroner's office where an autopsy was conducted that very same day danforth prince monroe expert hurt and publisher of maryland at rainbow's end sex lies murder and the great cover the morgan l. a. had a notorious history of corruption graft and mismanagement assigned to perform the actual autopsy that sunday morning was dr thomas noguchi a japanese born surgeon who had moved to the united states in nineteen fifty two. He studied pathology at the orange county general hospital in california and in nineteen sixty had taken a position with the coroner's office ironically about six years later on july the sixth nineteen sixty eight it was the same doctrine noguchi than the chief medical examiner for los angeles county who performed the autopsy on robert kennedy after after his assassination at the ambassador hotel noguchi's autopsy established that maryland had died between eight thirty and ten thirty on saturday night and concluded fluted that the cause of death was acute or bitchy poisoning with high amounts of chloride hydrate and nembutal in her blood and liver there was no trace of any pills pills capsules or residue in her stomach however it seems strange given the cause of death and all the empty bottles by her bedside on august seventeenth seventeenth. Noguchi published his findings his conclusion probable suicide on the basis of all the information jane. It is our opinion that the case of problems the suicide cyril wecht is a forensic pathologist who has personally conducted over twenty thousand autopsies in his six decade career in all my ears fifty seven years. I do not recall a case in which somebody put down probable when you are not <hes> sure which you're supposed to do officially properly is to list of manner of death is undetermined. That's why we have a box for undetermined nothing to be embarrassed about intellectually by using that having seen tens of thousands of death acidic. It's over the years so i don't remember somebody putting then you know like probable and then going ahead and signing it out as suicide. If you are not sure of than you put down undetermined. Marilyn was laid to rest three days after she died at the westwood village memorial park cemetery in los angeles ex husband joe dimaggio took charge of the service only thirty of her closest friends and family were invited and most of hollywood so called elite were not outside police struggled to contain the crowds of mourning fans as well as hundreds of reporters and photographers celebrity biographer prefer and hollywood historian mark ego and i remember very distinctly the morning of august fifth nineteen sixty two when it was announced in the media that she had been found dead and i was crushed nine or sold and the death of marilyn monroe was just us something completely out of my realm the idea that someone so alive someone so vivacious and someone so famous could suddenly be dead. She seemed to be someone who had everything. I couldn't fathom the fact it's like that would want to take their life over the following following days and weeks more details emerged on the night she died maryland had a number of significant conversations and remember. She was found with the telephone receiver still in her hand. The first of these was joe dimaggio junior the son of her ex husband with whom she was still friendly. My name is charles castillo and i'm gonna entertainment journalist maryland. Stay close with all her stepchildren and she stayed close with georgio son. She had a momentary bright spot in the evening when he called and they chatted it happily. After maryland joe finished talking she called her psychiatrist dr ralph greenspan according to him to tell him the news about joe junior and the split from his girlfriend around eight pm she received another call from british actor rat packer and brother-in-law to the president peter lawford. There was still a gentleman gordon. He still wanted to come and he was calling her. You know come on marilyn. Come out and you'll feel better. Just come out. Come to the beach and marilyn in a famous phone call now because peter lawford back this up that it actually happened well it was he's the source he said that maryland said i'm not coming staying home but say goodbye to bobby the and say goodbye to pat and say goodbye to the president and take a bite of yourself kucher nice guy and then she she drifted off as well as those phone mm conversations maryland had also seen dr green earlier that day dr greenspan had a very questionable doctor-patient doctor-patient relationship with marilyn dr greens and fell in love with marilyn monroe like many people before him fell under her spell she even spent the night there on certain nights that was crossing all kinds of bad lines for doctor patient because there was no separation between her therapy and our friendship on marilyn monroe's last day he had the the house was in her bedroom. He was talking to her. He said she was upset and depressed but i had seen her in worse shape. 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"dr thomas noguchi" Discussed on Newsradio 970 WFLA
"By George. Hi, lisa. How are you? Great. Thank you. Are you? I'm doing very well. So. Question's been a long time. But this case as fascinating America the fiftieth anniversary year that tragic year. Dr Thomas Noguchi, he was in his ninety. Now was the LA county coroner at the time. And were you able to interview him recently for your book and get his analysis because as we know at the time, you testified that there was basically a state of pointblank shot behind the ear almost job because of that. And then Secondly, we're going into polka dot dress for women. There's been so much speculation about that lady. Has anyone followed any solid leads on her to discover is that. Two questions, and I'll talk about them both briefly, although I did not interviewed in a Gucci. And I really tried because Cyril Wecht is a friend of mine and a friend in Gucci's, and he's decided not to really talk much about the case second won't for was even put the bullet even closer than the Gucci. Didn't people don't know this 'cause people credit in Gucci with you know, putting the distance to close for sir hand to have made it but Walser put the shots in the back because Kennedy was shot four times. One went through the close, but it wasn't just shop behind the year. He was also shot twice more kind of from the underarm area. And then one shot was so steep. It went through his coat without piercing the skin but Walter put those shots at three quarters of an inch. So we're talking somebody who's gun is right there. Kennedy and behind him and under the arm. I mean. Caesar just happened to be holding his left elbow, and he was right handed. If you can picture yourself in that position who who better to make those shots. I don't know if he did. But no one was in a better position to make those shots. So that's one. Now, you ask about the girl in the Pocono. What's the significance of that? Yeah. There was a woman who ran out the back saying we shot him we shot him and a girl happened to be sitting on the backstairs is happening. She said who did you shoot? And she said Senator Kennedy ran off into the dark. She was accompanied by a man and a gold shirt, and I say about eight witnesses to sir him the guy in the gold shirt and the girl the polka dot dress being seen kind together, you know, throughout the night by this group of girls, and I contacted one of them because sandy threat who has grown the polka dot dress. The police got her to basically recanted say she didn't say that. I use a large chunk of one chapter to show what the police did to get her to recant. It was like psychological warfare. They pulled on in fact, one of the cops involved said that. They should have gone to jail for what they did to her. But there was another witness to that conversation. So what sandy said was one hundred percent true. And the police knew it, and again, there was somebody else on the record said that. And of course, they went and made hurry cat. She was much younger. Recanted much more quickly than sandy. Did they brought her in front of her parents? And you know, made it sound like she was going to commit a crime. If she kept saying that. And so, of course, she recanted. But I caught up with her in later years. I'm like, why did you notice these people, and she said, well, you don't understand 'cause today campaigns are pretty informal events. She goes, but in that time everybody really dressed up. It was like a really big deal to go to a campaign party. I mean, people were like formal attire. So when you see this girl in this kinda, you know, ratty a little polka dot dress. And this guy in jeans, they just stuck out like sore thumbs, and they were not happy. They are not in a party mood. They just they definitely stuck out. And that made it clear to me because I always wondered why did so many people notice this? Trio of people and in the pantry later. It was a girl in a polka dot dress. Who was seen with sir hand moments before the shooting by Vincent appear and Vince appear at the trial kind of identified this woman named Valerie Solti as the girl the polka dot dress. But that was kind of a setup and when I talked to him, and I showed him the pictures. And I said, you know, Valerie sheltie was blonde. I said didn't you say the girl was Brunetti goes? Yes, she was. Absolutely. And I said and wasn't she wearing a Polk address because this is really a green dress with lemons on it's not really polka-dot. He goes. Oh, yeah. That wasn't the dress. I never meant to say that was the dress and the more I talked to him. It was like it was clear that that was not the woman he had seen with their hands so pleased that but anyway, but the girl he did see what's her hand was practically holding him. He was standing on a stage tracker trace decker. Sorry. And I realized later the reason for that is that gave them a little height over the crowd. And she was standing behind him holding. It was her arms around him holding onto the tree Sacher herself. Because then they could see when Kennedy entered the room and hypnosis their hand talks about the girl, and what he remembers and at one point that girl looks up into the right? And I know why she did that because there was a shooter on the kitchen table, sir, hand at no point did Sirhan ever get on the table until he was pushed there by Karl euchre after the shooting had started. But three really solid. Incredible witnesses that name in my book saw shooter on the table shooting down into the crowd. And it can this makes sense. Could you make that up? Nobody could make that up can't make it up. I mean, it's funny. It's even in there was like a San Antonio paper. That's that had a picture of the pantry and literally put somebody on the table and said the shooter stood here. And I tried to find, you know, the writer of that is to find out who did he talk to. But I assume it was probably one of the three. Is it possible? Lisa that in the pandemonium of what was happening that the security guard who was close to Robert F Kennedy may have accidents shot him by a flurry of everything that was going on not accidentally. And this gets into kind of how I end my books. I don't want to give too much away. I understand, but that's security guard was working for one of the top CIA cutouts who ran assassination plots the agency. And that's just a stunning connected of the weird. And I talked to a guy who kept a daily diary for decades of his time in a certain organization and the conversations before and after the assassination are pretty stunning. And I'll leave it at that. Have you ever been threatened? You know too much. I have an ear. I want people to know people will threaten because they'd wanna scare you off. They don't want you to tell the truth, but they won't follow through. And frankly, if they're gonna follow through they're not going to threaten 'cause that leaves a trail, you know, that's a phone. Just do it just do it. And the thing is this is this is more than fifty years ago. It's like no one the CIA right now cares. They got bigger fish to fry. They're all focused on Russia and Trump, and you know, everything else is going on in the world. So this is way off the radar of anybody feels 'cause I have friends who are like, oh my God. I don't wanna read your book. What if somebody kills them like they're not gonna get? Well, Robert F Kennedy was well on his way to getting the democratic nomination. Do you think he would have beaten Richard Nixon his brother, did you think he would have beaten Richard Nixon in a runoff? I think he would have. And I think the evidence is right there in the pictures of the people lining the tracks again along the train in. Literally like two million people or something came out to see that funeral train. She was like a rockstar in politics. I mean, his brother was popular Bobby was like twice as popular well for two reasons one because of the brother's death, right? There was a lot of sympathy for for him. Exactly. But also he really embraced the poor in a way, even his brother had never gone that far. He would going to chill homes in the south where there were disease black children and pick them up and hold them in his arms. And this is something why politicians just didn't do at that point in time. This was the sixties, you know, segregation was rampant. And so he really he reached people on a very emotional level. And that's what wins elections. So I absolutely think he would have. And I think Nixon knew that was terrified, and certainly, you know, other people, and of course, if he had been elected he did tell friends that one of the things he wanted to do is investigate his brother's death. He also wanted to rain in the CIA more. And he wanted to do these things pretty much immediately upon taking office, and neither of those things where we're ever going to be allowed to happen. So fifty five years since John F Kennedy was assassinated fifty years since Robert Kennedy fifty years since Martin Luther King was gunned down. And I'm not sure James Earl Ray was the culprit in that case, and even Martin Luther King's family doesn't believe that James Earl Ray was the assassin there either. But but being over fifty years in think of this question Lisa when we come back after the break do people still care about these cases. What do you think we'll talk? All right. Lisa with us. The name of her book ally too big to fail or website. Of course, blogs spot is linked up at coast to coast AM dot com for you. And her other book is called the assassins next our agenda, Susan joins us as we will talk about real life X files. So get ready for that on coast to coast. And we'll take phone calls with you. Then in the last hour of the program. But when we come back in just a moment, we'll take final phone calls with Lisa as we talk about the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy..
"dr thomas noguchi" Discussed on NewsRadio KFBK
"Welcome back to coast to coast. We're back with researcher and author Lisa. Appease her book ally too big to fail. We'll tell you where you can pick this book up, especially those of you who are into this genre. Lisa I once knew as a reporter in individual. Who was probably the first person to say that he did not believe Sirhan Sirhan was the assassin of Robert F Kennedy. His name was. Mt Mohammadi, and he lived in New York, and he was running it agency for Palestinian rights and initially when he first said that I'm going come on. You know, like, you the more I investigated the more. I heard things it just things. Just didn't make sense. And then when I interviewed William pepper. You know, I it made even more sense that there was something very strange going on here. What do you think? And then we'll get into calls the motivation was to assassinate Robert F Kennedy. Why did they want him out? I think they wanted him out for the same reasons. Again, I think people want to Kennedy out if you zoom way out at at its core. The Kennedy brothers stood for cooperation with other nations. Whereas for example, the Dulles brothers who ran both the overt covert foreign policy of the US for eight years together. I one dollars and John Foster Dulles. They believed in US should dominate the rest of the world not cooperating. They hated Kennedy Kennedy, right. Kennedy bopped one out of the CIA. Didn't he? Yeah. Yeah. Kennedy Allen Dulles on the side of the little guy. It's like he understood that all these nations that were having their own little communist revolution. He knew it wasn't about communism was about independence and nationalism independence from the global empire. Empire powers. You know, rebelling against the British government for decades of domination and so on and so he supported that. He's Portland Mumba in the Congo. Which is why the CIA rest to kill him before. Kennedy took the oath of office. So that you know, 'cause they what about what about DM in Kerr in Vietnam. Right. Right. So you think I was told Kennedy was in shock when he heard that the had been assassinated. He was trying very hard to prevent that. Because he somehow naively thought that you could overthrow government and not kill somebody because you know, they were trying to remove him, and he did feel some guilt towards that. But it's you know, overall, he was trying to find ways to cooperate lakes CARNOT in Indonesia, yet, another leader who was overthrown as soon as you know, the caddies were out of office in nineteen sixty five the CI foments fake to and then supports the counter coup. That's supposed to be there to protect the. But in fact, out Sukarno, and this was happening all over the globe. In fact, there's a wonderful book they will be done by Jared Colby in Charlotte Bennett and one of their sections is called something like I can't even remember those like every liberal every leftist leader in the hemisphere was taken out in a very short period of time. And if the Kennedys were not taken out, they would have been the anomaly because every. The other one had to go, you know, our bends in Guatemala and the guy Goulart in Brazil. And and I'm not talking again, these are communists. These are just ordinary Kyle liberal leaders who weren't right wing fascist dictators. And that's the really had thing is that we look now like in Iran, look, what a mess they've become and they were a democratic form of government. They were a secular society until we in the British join forces to overthrow most exactly become this fundamentalist wreck of a country apologies to your audience. I'm not trying to criticize. But it's like, it's partly our fault. And look at this caravan of immigrants coming from Latin America. Well, why are they coming here because we overthrew their their, you know, fairly normal leaders and put in these right wing people who are very friendly to the business communities at the expense of the ordinary citizens and a lot of these countries, and they got. Poorer and poorer to the point where they look to the rich neighbors to the north and say we want that we've been very good at selling the American dream. You know, come to American, you know, the poorest man can become a rich person. And and but in any case, the Kennedys didn't believe in enslaving other nations. They didn't believe in that they they really tried to promote fairness, and that was threatening to a lot of the big business interests across the country. And and who does the CI and the military serve they serve these big business interests. You know, there's no point, you know, the I mean, what's his name the guy who tried to overthrow or prevented the overthrow of FDR. Smedley Butler in in the Marine Corps back in the early part of the last century. He said war is a racket. You know, here we are defending oil companies. You know, we're not really defending people were defending property, and it really offended him because he's like people are dying for this. And we shouldn't be here just to defend an oil pipeline or something, and he was very upset about that. And and again as where the Kennedys, which is why they didn't want us to get to embroiled in Vietnam. And I know Chomsky disagrees. I even had an Email exchange with Chomsky years ago about this. But all the records in the evidence that have come out over the last few years. Kennedy was bent on Getty us out of Vietnam. He knew it was not winnable and Robert Kennedy new wasn't winnable and Robert Kennedy admitted like there was a point where he kinda thought it was and that he was totally wrong. He admitted that while he was living is like we should never have gone in. We should never have been there at all. And it's not our fight. And we gotta get out as fast as we. Can and he was anti till the day. He died Martin Luther King killed, you know, just a couple of months before Robert Kennedy in that same horrible year of nineteen sixty eight also killed a year to the day after his. Let me ask you a question about Robert Kennedy junior who's been on our program before. And I I've been told mentions you in his latest book American values. Tell me about that. Yes. Yes. David Talbot, the founder of salon and the author of a great book on Allen Dallas called the devil's chaplain. He's been on he's been on our program many times. Good good. Well, I'll bet wanted me to talk to Bobby Kennedy about something that he was interesting. He's like who would know about this. I'm like, I do give them to me. I wanna talk to him and was so excited to meet a member of the Kennedy family after having studied their lives, and that's for so many years. And so, yeah, it'd be overdue his house. He's is now living out on the west coast because his wife, you know, has a real job in Hollywood and aids vaccines. He hates vaccines. He's he's just to be clear because a lot of people. I think oversimplify that he doesn't hate vaccines. He hates toxic metals in vaccines given to little kids who. The which are in vaccines. Yeah. Right. But that doesn't mean you're anti vaccine because there are vaccines that are heavy metal free. And that's a totally different. Unfortunately, not enough. I do feel what are the biggest problems? You see America's that we tend to think in binary terms, somebody's either pro this or anti this. And we missed the nuance. That makes all the difference as we go to calls where do we get your book ally too big to fail? You can get it on Amazon, you can get it and Barnes and noble. Although I've yet to see it on the shelves, but it is listed there. And but if you go to Amazon dot com, if you search ally too big to fail, you may not find it. But if you search my name, Lisa P's, P A S E, you will definitely find it. And I definitely could you like this is twenty five years of research. I'm giving you guys. It's not, you know, a lot of the authors in this case look at the case two three four years, and then they write a book. And so how much new stuff can they have people who've read this who knows? The case already are shocked at how much I have. In fact, a reports a lot of details. Yeah. Yeah. People are like how did you find all these witnesses? I'm like twenty five years is a long time. And and I I would read targeted for about eight files or online at Mary Farrell dot com. A wonderful site that has a lot of our loss history documented and searchable, although not everything comes up in a search. And even if it's there so few searching, you don't find something that doesn't mean it's not there it may mean that word scan poorly and didn't show up in the search. All right. Let's go to some calls for your first time caller while knee in orange, California. Welcome to the show. I money by George. Hi, lisa. How are you? Great. Thank you. I'm doing very well question spent a long time, but this case as fascinating America this the fiftieth anniversary year. That tragic year. Dr Thomas Noguchi, he was in his ninety. Now was the LA county coroner at the time. Were you able to interview him recently for your book and get his analysis because as we know at the time, he testified that there was basically a fatal pointblank shot that year he almost lost a job because of that. And then Secondly, we're going polka dot dress for women. There's been so much speculation about that lady. Has anyone followed any solid leads on her to discover is that right? Two questions, and I'll talk about them both briefly, although I did not interviewed in a Gucci. And I really tried Casiraghi. Cyril Wecht is a friend of mine and a friend in Gucci's, and he's decided not to really talk much about the case second won't for was even put the Bullock even closer than the Gucci. Didn't people don't know this because people credit in a Gucci with you know, putting the distance to close for, sir. Head to have made it but Walter put the shots in the back because Kennedy was shot four times. One went through the close, but it wasn't just shop behind the year. He was also shot twice more kind of from the underarm area. And then one shot was so steep. It went through his coat without piercing the skin but Wolfer put those shots at three quarters of an inch. So we're talking somebody who's gun is right there. Kennedy behind him and under the arm. I mean. Caesar just happened to be holding his left elbow, and he was right handed. If you can picture yourself in that position who who better to make those shots. I don't know if he did. But no one was in a better position to make those. So that's one. Now, you ask about the girl in the Pocono. What's the significance of that? Yeah. There was a woman who ran out the back saying we shot him we shot him and a girl happened to be sitting on the backstairs is happening. She said who did you shoot? And she said Senator Kennedy ran off into the dark. She was accompanied by a man and a gold shirt, and I say about eight witnesses to sir him the guy in the gold shirt and the girl the polka dot dress being seen together throughout the night by this group of girls, and I contacted one of them because sandy Saran who has grown the polka dot dress. The police got her to basically recanted say she didn't say that. I use a large chunk of one chapter to show what the police did to get her to recant. It was like psychological warfare. They pulled on her. In fact, one of the cops involved said that. That they should have gone to jail for what they did to her. But there was another witness to that conversation. So what sandy said was one hundred percent true. And the police knew it, and again, there was somebody else on the record twits said that. And of course, they went and made hurry cat. She was much younger. Recanted much more quickly than sandy. Did you know they brought her in front of her parents? And you know, made it sound like she was going to commit a crime. If she kept saying that. And of course, she recanted. But I caught up with her in later years. I'm like, why did you notice these people, and she said, well, you don't understand 'cause today campaigns are pretty informal events. She goes, but in that time everybody really dressed up. It was like a really big deal to go to a campaign party. I mean, people were like formal attire. So when you see this girl in this kinda, you know, ratty little polka dot dress. And this guy in jeans, they just stuck out like sore thumbs, and they were not happy. They are not in a party mood. They just they definitely stuck out. And that made it clear to me. 'cause I always wondered why did so many people notice this? Three love people. And in the pantry later. It was a girl in a polka dot dress who was seen with her hand moments before the shooting by Vince Depiero and Vincent appear at the trial kind of identified. This woman named Valerie Solti as the girl the polka dot dress..
"dr thomas noguchi" Discussed on Diana: Case Solved
"Hello and and welcome to chapter eleven a fatal voyage the mysterious death of Natalie Wood. I'm your host Dylan Howitt in two thousand and eleven after after a petition to reinvestigate Natalie Wood's case made its way to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. The case was officially reopened in this chapter. We explore the reasons behind that groundbreaking decision but first. Let's start with one of the most glaring why. Robert J Wagner was named named the person of interesting Natalie's death just over a year and a half ago reviewing the case. You know we observed the autopsy topsy photos and the autopsy report and Natalie Wood had numerous bruises. Our head arms and legs appeared to be assault of nature. There was a broken bottle that was found on the boat that that Robert Wagner had told investigators originally that he believed that it was rough season it had fallen fallen over and broken and later in a book. Mr Wagner wrote that he had in fact broken that bottle so we have information that there was a conflict on the boat. There's lie about the bottle. There's the bruising. She looked like the victim of an assault old. We have previously mentioned the bruising found on Natalie's body but it's important to remember that the initial corrina Dr Thomas Noguchi believed the marks were superficial the new car though took a second look at the autopsy report and disagree the significance of the bruises part of it is the location patients bruises. She had a I would characterize it as a small but noticeable superficial Abrasion Asian on the left side of her head close to her temple like just outside of her left eye. She had another on above her left eyebrow and what appeared to be slight redness underneath the eyebrow as well. You know you you don't get an abrasion on your head from just a typical fall that you might have and she had a significant pretty good size bruise on her right forearm which was quite read quite noticeable and she had numerous bruising around her legs eggs her lower legs and her knee area of both legs. Some of those could potentially have been a fall. We did find a new witness who explained to us an incident which occurred the day before and his description of events his explanation to us would tend to cooperate the location of one of those bruises on her on her leg on one of her legs but in general you'll look at the bruising and she looks like the victim of an assault and I think we can say that even simply just by looking at the photos and having thirty years of Law Enforcement Experience Janice Dean sold the bruises on Natalie's body up close when he was asked to identify the body it was horrible. She had more bruises on her body than you can. Imagine it was it was horrible. I said to myself just for being. She had bruises on her on her face cheer bruises on her wrist. there was a number of bruises. I can't I can't remember exactly where they all were. They were all located because Astro Astro. I looked at her face I just didn't WANNA look anymore. He's legal expert Nancy Grace. I am former prosecutor in inner city Atlanta. I prosecuted felonies there for ten years. I I became interested in the Natalie Wood case when I spoke with her sister her. Lana and Lana speaks on Natalie's behalf in a way that is so heart wrenching in so incredibly believable. I started investigating myself and the more I looked at it. Frankly the worst got this one. I've learned bruises on her body. At the time she was fished out of the water. Were are attributed to I guess her falling off the side of the boat but the bruises on her body really don't fit that type of a bruising pattern according to Carina they were likely caused by another person water water does not breezy and why was she goes on Chessel lower back side of her legs. Now we do know about that facial Abrasion Abrasion why cly in an upward direction. How did that happen was she hit and they confrontation on the deck was? Is there an upper blow that she took from someone in front of her. How did she get an upper boy on her face. That doesn't happen from drowning. In this day and age all the people on the board that evening would have been chet. They would have had photos taken. Give them to see if there were scrapes bruises on their bodies. If nellie would had had an altercation fought back against them uh their fingernails would have been checked. Natalie Wood's fingernails should have been checked that is elementary. It's hard to imagine how the lead detective could have made such crucial evidence especially in a case as high profile as naturally would he's not ruling. I interviewed razor. I believe he thinks he did his job and I do believe that the three three survivors of that goat that cruise Dennis walking and Wagner all lied to razor. None of them offered any added added information. Just you know we had dinner and then Natalie went missing and without much more to go on it was kind of tough for razor her to build a case but if he had just looked a little deeper you know those bruises you know to try to find out how the dinghy was secured to the boat. He should have been more curious and not close that case within a mere few days razor was very good at his job. He just failed in this particular case but it wasn't just negligence on the part of investigators. Some say say the coroner in charge of Natalie's case was careless and perhaps intentionally saw the politically motivated reasons what I find to be A clear clear problem is that they then medical examiner. Thomasson Gucci did not scrape for tissue issue under Nellie woods thing or nails while conducting her postmortem I mean I it's elementary that you scrape the nails and I and I've seen it done. That is so major so it's it's overwhelmingly away a problem with the gay cheese topsy of Natalie Wood. My name is Sam from Roni and I'm a lawyer in Fayetteville advil Arkansas in two thousand fifteen after I read several things books magazine the articles and the such I basically became frustrated and irritated over the lack back of progress that the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department was making so I decided even though I know you may think this sounds kind of crazy. I decided I was going to investigate the best I could without subpoena power. I have have been writing a book and have finished a book relating to Natalie Wittstein. I will tell you this. When I took Dr Gucci's deposition position I asked him about that fingernail evidence and when I did and he recoiled in his seat he sat back in his seat and then said he didn't remember Dr Zero Wecht. He's a forensic pathologist and attorney. I cannot tell oh you I wasn't done I I don't know I just imagined that they became pre satisfied based on their autopsy on the police reports that they had received a point that there was and you know no no serious question as to the manner of death inside surmise on my part but I think is reasonable conjecture but but I do agree in retrospect given the scenario that have been suggested as well as the scenario that maybe she was fighting with somebody it would have been appropriate to take the meals and studying uh-huh yes. I would agree yeah now trying to give you on his dancers despite my friendship with Tom. I'm sure that Tom would agree in retrospect. It could've taken the.
"dr thomas noguchi" Discussed on KFI AM 640
"Glasses of wind gather you know the i mean there's a there's this we are undergoing all how will you see at the time will if he's 55 now fifty five thirty seven zero seven years ago so he was a team eighteen and she's 43 but come on lou that forty three as a while i know but you know what happens around three what for a lady what well you start one in your youth back twice and here you've got this eighteen year old boat captain and are now are right but anyway he is told counts of what went on first telling police it was an accident and then later implying that something bad happened he did an interview in 2011 with the today show and said he lied to police at first is that i made mistakes by not telling the honest truth and the initial police report and when asked of wagner had more of a responsibility in the case he said yes i would say so yes but he refused to elaborate i i have a quick thing to pull the car over or something you'd you touched on they got into a fight over politics on a boat you're on a boat with four people are you gonna bring up politics your hammered start gotta think nothing's off the table once your hammered yeah but it's just one of those topics you wouldn't want to bring up when you've got nowhere to go i want to go through one of the theories about why she was so bruised up and this was from one of the coroner's a medical examiner dr thomas noguchi who still around by the way still around but we have some money to give away we've a thousand boxing here's how you're going to win who'll.