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Episode 292: Branded to Kill vs. Police Story

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Episode 292: Branded to Kill vs. Police Story

"It while the Distance Resistance Kamar Star by tactics simmer say the days every pop culture continuum this John Elliott Mrs Patrick and joining us again special guests. David Schneider. Yeah like you said special guests is there's somebody else oh I did I I I must have been listening or something. Lose DAVID SNYDER NUMBER. Three number one or two. That's true the other two. You are technically on this call. I guess in Spirit. Well let me on this call through the previous the previous call this. We just got through this one This week we're doing pat branded to kill verses. Police Story Asian cinema before we started. I WANNA say like. I've been listening to a of PODCASTS. I don't know why like we're like the original model for quarantine podcast. I don't know why these podcasts. Sound so fucking shitty like podcast with engineers and stuff and then they have these like skype calls that sound like they're coming out of my but really I mean I've been listening to suddenly come bang. Sounds fine and that one's okay. Yeah although still are not the best audio quality but they're using zoom doing but I don't know all I know is he. We NIAN PAT. Spent like thirty bucks. Each on these headsets. That might be thing. I think people like us their their internal shit. Yeah Microsoft I the. What do you use David because you sound great to have an External Usb Mike but like like you guys? It's not like I spent actual money on an attic. I spent about twenty dollars. So it's it's not high quality. People are using like their their iphone ipod. What are they called? I know there's a name for them. Once you're GONNA I was GONNA say Airbud but that was a movie about a dogs. Can't play Basketball David. I'm sorry I really haven't seen Airbud let me check. The rules. Appears you're right. Yeah Yeah I don't know it's weird and we also what we do it over skype and there's program called call record or you can get for like twenty bucks. Why even need an engineer at this point? Just do it all in garage band or whatever like we do anyway but you can hear how those you ever listened to our first episode. I don't know if we ever put that on oil either. That sounded like some of you might be talking about. I'm just putting other podcasts on on blast anyway yeah. So branded to kill I won by sage in Suzuki Interested to hear your guys thoughts on this I. I don't know that a plot summary is super necessary. But I don't know if you could do. I mean there is an actual threat of a plot there but a necessary to describe it because I felt I felt like it was necessary to the movie. It was less about the plot more about the style. I Guess Yeah Well. What were you seen it before? But I remember the first time I saw there were like points in it where I was like what is happening. Where are we right now? Don't even as discombobulated but watching it. This time I just. I am expecting that it was like this is just a weird movie. I I again I. I'd never seen this before. I really knew nothing about it. You know after I watched it. I looked at and learned a lot about it. Obviously but I. I really enjoyed this one. I thought this was fantastic. I can understand why people didn't like it at the time and I definitely didn't get everything and I couldn't follow the plot and they're definitely were times. I was confused but I I enjoyed the visual so much I I I loved it. Yeah me too. That's what I thought what I I saw. I mean it's kind of I don't know I don't WanNa say it's David Lynch says not really that style but it's I guess kind of absurdist you read about it David. So you probably know the studio Fired him blacklisted him. Basically after this movie because they they're hiring him to make be movie gangster pictures basically and he may. He made an art film film. Yeah yeah that's what he did and it wasn't the first one so this was like the last straw and they. He had ended up suing them and didn't make another movie for for ten years They the studio Nikkatsu Studio. They claimed his movies made no sense and no money. That was famous. I get a masterpiece. Hear what you guys are saying. Silence Clay really cool but I did not care for this movie really loved it I I I I. I'm sorry I watched it so late. 'cause I really would have liked to watch it again before we did this. Because I've really enjoyed this quite a. Yeah Oh that I'm surprised. Pat I just thought it was. I didn't know anything going into it. Either I just thought it was like the worst of our films in the worst of action films combined into one big mess. I didn't care for really thought it looked good. I thought looked really good and I get why Tarantino Alexa. Because there's lots of feet but other than that you could definitely see the lineage Tarantino and and I think you can also see the lineage it like the John Williams to with the Phantom everybody you meet is in this underworld and for the rankings. And everything the rankings. Were Pretty Fun. I thought it was so absurd. It's kind of hilarious. So it's about the the number three Hitman in in Tokyo or in this underworld And he he's given mission to take people out and then he eventually accidentally shoots the wrong person so he becomes a target of the number one hit man and but the reason why he ends up shooting. The wrong person is fantastic. Oh yeah he's he's got. He's a scrape assassin and he's got the shot all lined up and then a butterfly lands on the on the end of his rifle and makes them the shot. I love that. Yeah it'd be too. Yes he the number one hit man is get a take him out and then there's a whole weird sequence where there for some reason living together and not shooting well but I guess a number one hit man likes to fuck with people. That's his style. But yeah it's one of the right the right up so the movie. I saw was that this was simple. The symbolism of him working with his production company I'm reading the jerk off motion because well I don't know if that's your man pat. I think this is. This is one of my favorites into sorry. I can't I can't believe I didn't because I don't think it's like when you say it's like the worst of Art Films. I don't thinks have I've seen. That's your art films. That are awful. I didn't I found it more like more of a genre picture. With artful touches I guess than like a straight up art film. I mean it was fucking weird but but it's definitely was because the film I mean it was. It was a Hitman. I thought it was beautiful. Beautiful Shot I thought. It was fantastically edited. And I was shocked when I started reading up on it afterwards and it said it was edited in one day which I Gotta. I gotta be honest. I do not believe I mean yeah. I don't believe that is possible. That can't be it can't be true. It's not sloppily edited. It said the thing you know. One of the reasons it was they were able to edit a one day because he he shot only what he needed which may be true. But that only helps you to a point. It says twenty five days to shoot in three days post production. That is crazy they were. I mean like I said they wanted just a cheap cheapie yakuza film basically so they didn't give him much money or time. I think so John Did you see the sequel to it the Gumede like thirty years. I didn't know I haven't seen it. I would like to. Yeah I thought also just beyond the visuals like some of the some of the hit hit that touches were like cool like when he shot from behind the billboard cigarette thing later the lighter or should when he suffered from a hot air balloon no he jumped onto a hot air balloon to escape right. Yeah he shot up the plumbing. This the absurd but wonderful. Yeah that was fun. See this is the kind of movie I can watch over and over. I feel like what were your specific problems with the pat that it goes answer. I didn't mind making sense to being. I just found it boring like when it was like. Oh my God is Never GonNa End Really. It's a short journey to I know and his wife who apparently didn't own very much clothing. I was naked pretty much. The entire wasn't Yeah No. She was surprised by the amount of nudity in this movie. I didn't know that happened in the sixties on Japan. Yeah it is it does point to like you know all the weird Japanese illness and just culture in general is considered very weird to Westerners. This is like I don't know. Do you think this wasn't a weird movie. Japanese people do you think this was just like this is just regular. No I don't because I'm thinking like I'm just thinking of the Japanese films I'd seen of the period and I can't think of any earlier examples of something this weird I mean. Who is I thought you were saying? This was a typical Japanese moving. I was no I think at the. It's like the first example I can think of where it was really off kilter. Okay like French. New Wave happens quite a bit earlier. Like sixty three sixty four right. Yeah Yeah so. You can see the influence action. I don't know Japanese cinema is not my expertise. I don't know a ton but I can't think of anything earlier. That was this of unguarded weird. Yeah I think I love the you spoke about the naked wife. I love her over the top reactions. That somehow worked. But you could never do that in American film but she was just screaming and hysterical. The entire her entire time onscreen speaking of that one touch. I loved when she was doing that kind of later on when he finds her at the at the gangsters place and she's yelling and screaming and then it's a big over the top scene and then there's super close of of her. Like peeking through her fingers is working. I love but I mean besides just the general confusing nature of the scenes. There he doesn't even bother with exposition. Just like you're in this. This is what happened I like. I Love Bet. He shot that that old warehouse and it just erupted in flames a second later. There's a little bit of exposition from that. In the beginning from the drunk the drunk failed Hitman. Y- you do say Yup with little explanation of how things work in this in this universe. Here's here's one thing I didn't. I'm sorry I tried to interrupt Speaking about that and I I assume we can give away. Spoilers RIGHT YEAH. Sixty seven okay. I'll say yes. It's long enough okay. So the passenger at the beginning the the client at the beginning writing was revealed to be number one. Yes did they ever explain why he was decline in the beginning was just kind of? I mean the he needed to be driven somewhere and and delivered safely and they said he was like a big deal but they didn't. I think that's all it was like. He was the number one so he needed to be guarded I don't think there was much more to it than that other than to have the the reveal that he was the number one later. Gotcha was that was foreshadowed. Pretty pretty saw Lee. Yeah like I said. It's not like there wasn't a plot it just it wasn't. It's not the first thing you're going to remember when you when you watch it after you watch it it was what was I gonNA say? Yeah the the that with the drunk hitman like that scene where they pull up get ambushed. That was another scene where I'm like. Where who is he shooting? Where are these people up in a tree? Somewhere and Joe Sh sh Acedo the the main actor Is If you're in Japanese cinemas probably like the second most recognizable Japanese actor after Tashiro food. Just because he had this really the cheek implants man. I've I've never seen anything I guess. I haven't seen the Japanese movies. Well he was. I guess he was in a lot of these B. movies really and a films and gangster stuff but As far as I I just say recognize will be mostly because of the cheek. Implants which aren't really weird looking. Yeah I don't. I don't have a clear picture of why he did that. But that's really she. Plants is not the way faces. No he got chicken plants. Yeah Oh yeah. That's really weird. I just thought I'd face well. I made him and made him distinguishable I guess. Yeah and I love the pro goth chick. Oh Yeah and she just wants to die. She has a bird nailed to her rear view mirror at Bergeford with a nail through it hanging from her apartment with all the butterflies butterflies. And I just want to die. My dream is to die. That's what she said never smiles once And she gets her wish at the end another spoiler. Oh that was another weird seeing the reveal of what was being done to her. Film projectors just starts playing a film of them torturing her basically and he's watching it and there's no explanation I mean I I assume that was number one. Set that up. I don't know how it just started playing. I mean there was no explanation. I Guess Beck me while I was watching I was like are they saying that he's really talking to some kind of like build effect. I'm supposed to pick up on his tour and realized later. Oh it was actually literally a film projection in the movie. I like to imagine that. That's how number one normally works. He just drives his his people crazy. He doesn't just got shoot them. He moves in with them. I mean that's what they say. They say he works. He doesn't just yeah. We actually have that line in the movie right. Where like he doesn't he. He he runs you down or something. Like bobby wears you down really does not seem like a very good tack. Carol he is as true. I'm number seventeen at best. So yeah I mean his. His methods are very sadistic which I guess is not out of line for a hit man but he he takes too much pleasure from fucking with people you think he would just want to get the job done. Yeah but another weird scene that I didn't understand was when they go to the restaurant together to eat. And then the the number one says he's going to the bathroom and Jochen Shido walks into the bathroom. And there's some weird deformed guy there who calls him a jackass or a fool or something. He's clump of hair in the water. I think well the only thing I got it but the club of the hair is a tag back to his wife. There's that same shot of her in front of the toilet and the hair is going around the toilet so it's somehow a reference to that but that's what does that mean. Yeah exactly. Yeah Yeah I thought the those. I didn't care for your insane. Pat Did length. Soundtrack Joe is the jazzy. Centric was awesome and the and the lyrics to the song. Yeah I guess that was. That was exposition too but yeah oh man. Pat Him surprise. This one didn't work for you. Know maybe not I guess there's no space puppets in it. So boy he gonNA do Yeah I I quite enjoyed it. Well I guess we should move on. I WanNa read. I went to his wikipedia to see how they described. The the surgery says they got the surgery and he said his altered look has been described both as ruggedly handsome and also as chipmunk league. I go with the latter. We can't be both. I mean I'm GonNa go with ruggedly chipmunk he's a rugged for sure Well it's two thumbs up one sundown but We'll take a break and talk about the other movie police story in a moment. If you guys are don't have anything else to say on this one. Got Nothing to do today so okay. Let's do it all right. We'll be right back down a brave comrades took days try wearing on say say she's screen stable Jay Don by all right. We're back and we talking over the break Only in a movie that Weird. Could we totally neglect to mention that? The hitman gets a aroused by sniffing boiling rice sexually aroused. But there you go so now. Police story all right one second. I just found it. We were talking about this over the break. I just found I mentioned. I thought I'd read this somewhere and I just found it. We found out in the blue rays accompanying interviews with Suzuki. This director of Masami Kazoo that. His rice fetish was connected merely out of need for product placement of the rice cover. That's so there you go. That's commerce driving. What a cell. I mean yeah. They didn't he didn't take it to the heights of Mac and me but there's still a lot product placement. That movie was that it was paid for by McDonald's produced by mcdonagh or whatever All Right Police Story David and I had seen had you had not seen this one. Pat Is that right so so all right. Let's get. Let's get Mr negative thoughts on this one as I was watching. I was thinking when I was a kid. I guess there's like a twenty year period where Kung Fu movies were huge. Right Oh yea mostly seventies into early eighties. I guess yeah I would say late eighties but whatever. Maybe but so. When I was a kid Saturday mornings other kids would like watched watching these consumer. Because I couldn't stand them but if I've ever seen this I would have agreed with them because this was really fun. The ones that were on Saturday mornings. We're more like the the had like this whole like fantastical been mythological story to and it wasn't all modern so it was kind of went win in one but this was. I thought this was a fun. Movie much better made movie than those. Yeah I saw enter the Dragon probably a hundred times when I was a kid but yeah I had never seen this one. Which was I. Guess it's not that surprising I was like what fifteen when this came out eighty. I don't remember it having having a big market here. Although it was his international breakthrough. I Guess Jackie Jackie Chan directed and he was in. No I know Bruce Lee. Jackie Chan was in it. I don't know because I from is back then but I I probably saw that like in high school and enter the dragon high school or something. I loved that but it just seemed like that was apart from that one was produced by an actual Hollywood studio. So for the time it was it was much better than the really poorly dubbed. Cheap ones that. You probably watched on Saturday mornings. That was his first movie dragon. Okay Anyway Yeah. This one is well. It's called police story. And that's what it is but again it's got a pretty much pot boiler kind of Police procedural action movie plot. But it's really about the the stunts and yeah I mean which are all superfund. The the humor is I don't know at a third grade level. I still love it. I knew it gets. He always gets for slapsticky. But it's fun. Yeah he's very good at it so it helps. Although it was a little little disturbing have jokes around rape calls coming into police station. Say That was the one where they kind of making a gag out of a one woman being raped woman being beaten by her husband on gag might have been better to choose different crimes but it was a different time. That was. Yeah that really shows up like the difference in culture between the now. Yeah that was the scene where he's alone in the precinct and he has to answer a million calls and he's like juggling them mean. It could have been funny with different crimes. But as it wasn't just made you Kinda squirm but also in this Maggie Chang who is a big Hong Kong actor sheep if you saw Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. You you've seen her but she's she's been around forever playing his girlfriend but also he's he's kind of an asshole like he's hitting on other women when he's got his his girl. Yeah I don't know but it was. It was funny because I thought there's there's kind of like a boilerplate for bodyguard movies where the movie starts at the bodyguard and the woman marketing getting along in the end. They're in a romance and I thought that was going to happen here but no not at all. Yeah it was better for that. Oh God it lets me. That was me I was getting a no owes me. I was actually calling David to call John. I was getting a call. Saric have my phone sink to this computer. Yeah anyway it was. It's a very very fun movie and the stunts are amazing. I really liked the I mean. The movie starts off being super fast action packed. And there's a car chase through this shantytown to start the movie off and then like car chases in every single other movie at the end of the cartoons. All the cars are destroyed as they would be going to so many objects and I think an and then right after that. There's another stunt on the bus. Yeah Yeah and just like jumps from action scene to action scene and the and the fight scenes are like just watching them. I'm like these people must have broken bones filming this shit. I think I think what's so. Go ahead sorry in the closing credits. As they do in all his films they show the behind the scenes and there was at least three or four people being carried out on stretchers looting him and bloody heads and yeah. So that's that's something he started with. This did ever after the making over the credits. I did enjoy watching those. Yeah I think in almost all his films. Maybe all of them at the closing credits. Yeah he'll show the stunts behind the scenes and him getting hurt. Yeah you never saw rush hour pat. No actually I've never seen rush hour. Sorry I don't understand the words that you are saying. Yeah that's my Jackie Chan impression. Yeah the the humor was the weak point for me. I mean there were times where I was just growing at but but it lake. This is in You can definitely see watching this and thinking even thinking to enter the dragon and stuff like that. This is where John Wick got. Its its style from is the Kung Fu movies really. They call gunfire now something like that. Yeah I think it is gun Fu But just super impressive and and you're you understand. Why Jackie Chan got so huge watching this. The one weird thing about this movie is is I mean. The plot doesn't matter but about twenty minutes before the end there's a complete total shift from this like really funny lighthearted action comedy kind of thing to kind of death wish with Kung Fu yeah. We're here things. Have you got framed for a murder? And he's GonNa to save his name by kidnapping his his lieutenant or whatever his commander and then at the nicest starts when the fighting happens like everything the that whole scene where. The malls destroyed every every piece of glass in the most destroyed at the end. He's like the guy gets arrested. He's a sick of everything so just punches and kicks so funny how the rest of the move so late where this got dark real quick. Well thank you gotTa have you gotTa have bigger stakes for the third act resolution. David expect this well. There was also that you know the one other scene that was similar to that in that it's suddenly all of it. All of a sudden just very dramatic and I thought really well done way is towards the towards the end where he's backing the policed station and he starts he starts he gives at that monologue yelling at the boss about how you know you just promotion based on us and we're out risking our lives near fallen heroes and it. It's a pretty serious. Seen a decent performance from him. Oh yes I think. His performance was was fine in this movie that will and that was also like another another theme. Was that like he would do. All this work and his superiors would take the credit for it And there's that one guy who is I don't know the second in command who they call uncle. Who's WHO's like kind of goof and you couldn't really picture him being an actual policemen but he's always trying to take credit for Jackie Chan's work. He's real shit head about it too but then in the end he does protect them. Yeah well yeah. He's he's got to use them. For more cases there was there was a sequel. I don't know if either of you have seen it well. I actually started with police story. Two thousand thirteen. So I've seen them all. Except for the first one mellon complete sequel supercop was considered a sequence. That's right because I did see supercop. Oh I don't know. I watched police story two after. Watch this because I thought this one was so fun and Don't don't bother with. Is Police story three? It is okay. Yeah it seemed. Like in police. Three two they. I guess because this one was big international hit. They went more with like an Americanized. Like Bruce Willis action movie thing. The tone was completely different. And it just didn't. It wasn't fun. It's a slog. Actually it's too bad. Yeah which was. Maybe the. Maybe the other ones are better placed with this one. How much How American it felt like it was definitely not an American movie but it did have definitely felt American. A lot of ways like the music and stuff. Oh Yeah Yeah. They're using that the Hong Kong pop music of the day The way wouldn't I mean they get American films there? It's not like I understand that. Yeah definitely I'm being just felt like eighty s movie. Yeah Yeah Yeah Definitely. An eighties movie fell. Yeah it felt very of the time no matter what country for sure. You're not Artie for sure. Not It wasn't an agent Suzuki loop but I liked I liked all the performances even the even the clownish ones they worked the some of the of I really loved the well. I always love in the eighties. When they're like downloading computer data like at Krasny. I liked when we got to see the secretary's house where every every wall in the house has a picture of her on fit her character she famous. Or is she just one? I don't know who she is. Yeah okay no idea but that was another funny gag when When he goes to court eight tries to play the recording and she switches it with a recording of him. You're trying to hit on her. She's regarded as an icon of Chinese cinema. Even better though he she he wasn't really trying to hit on her. It was her manufacturing the CACTUS. And she made it seem like yeah and then she makes you spill the water. And he's like Oh you got me all wet. Yeah we're clever actually. Yeah that was pretty good foresight that she knew that he would be playing that tape in court one day but yeah he'd played somewhere she that's true actually missed that. She was recording that until he played that in the court in an all came together. Why she did that. Yeah yeah no I mean it's really about. It's really about the fight scenes and they were great. Yeah they were faultless. I thought I had seen it before but it had been a very long time. The only thing I've really kinda remembered was the shopping mall sequence at the end and it it helps it holds up. Yeah all up. There was a big big scene in. He hurt himself doing it. But I didn't seem sliding them apple four times that you gotta do instant replay times. I'd love that like I seriously cracked up when they did the instant replay. Oh yeah the whole the whole section was was funny funny in different ways than the rest of the movie it was it was like I wasn't laughing because it was funny I was like. Oh my God. That's really cool. I was reading on on the wikipedia page. You know he was very nervous before that stunt the sliding down the light pole and I guess one of a coast stuntman like gave a Buddhist prayer paper and he put put it down his pants. Exactly where you should put your prayer papers. It was rush hour his first big American movie. I think so. Yeah I mean he was because he was like this was an international hit but not not it was still a Hong Kong movie. You know I think that was his big first big Hollywood movie. But I'm not even sure I just I mean I know of him and I never saw. I know I saw a movie. I'm just trying to think of what that could have been because I'd never saw. Russia are thought. Maybe there was something before that. I know there might. I think he was still just doing. Hong Kong movies that I know drunken master is supposed to be good was that have you guys seen that that or may have? I don't remember it in any case. Kung-fu Panda. Of course. Yeah I thought I loved. I loved the entire Mall Seen Just fighting with shopping carts and everything you and I like just like with the Blues Brothers That Mall. Seen like when I'm watching this I'm like how. How much did it cost? Yeah that that's where my head always? This had to be expensive. What was the budget on this movie? Good question was the budget. And what did it take in? It took in twenty two point two two million dollars. That's good for eighty five Can't seem to find the budget for it. Yeah I see the same thing you do. Not just the box office production from Grizzly Yeah it doesn't say Anyway yet gross highest in Hong Okay so by international it was yes. Maybe it looks like it didn't do super great here probably wasn't released widely here because it was mostly Hong Kong Taiwan Japan South Korea East Asia. That's what they yeah well. I'm glad you enjoyed this one. Pat Do we have anything else to say I. This was a fun one for me. Both both movies actually by no for you. Pat But I I really WANNA get more into world cinema. Not that I haven't seen a bunch but have you. What is your. What is your like Japanese film? What have you seen David like? He have seen some Chiro Salwa stuff. I've seen a boast occurs. Our at least you know most of the ones that are common here that probably kind of the extent. Have you seen the EEL health now? That's a really good movie. Japanese movie the EEL I. I'm sure you've seen that John. I'm sure haven't I think he should look it up? I bet you've seen it really popular. It came out because I saw I would recommend now i. I don't think I haven't heard that I would recommend since we all have criterion channel Edward Yang. He's from Taiwan he did. I think I've recommended in both on the podcast before pat but a four hour long movie called a brighter summer day. But you know we're all indoors he can watch it and the other one is shorter because it's only three hours. I think called. Ye Y Y you should definitely check one or both of those out there. They're great anyway. I guess we're done but he's not staff meas. I thought you're going. GonNa recommend recommend Japanese workforce in such about. He's Taiwanese well. There's plenty of Japanese stuff on criterion channel. You can find. I wonder how you're you're some if someone watches the same movie three times on the criterion channel. What that does to your recommendations. Oh I don't know does it give you recommendations? Jerky it's I know. It's not like net flicks. Oh what about long car. Why have you watched any his stuff? Either I don't recognize the name okay. Chongqing expresses great. And Oh yeah yeah. Yeah Yeah I've seen chungking express yes and then in in the Mood for love is other big one Okay well we can close it up. I guess on these on these movies. Thanks for watching. I'm guys but I guess we should move onto recommendations Asians Asians. You guys go because I have nothing. Yes David sort of I have. Yeah sort of okay I do yes I yeah. Sure so my recommendation. During this this period of you know anybody listening to the future this being reported during the pandemics or all shut in by attention span has been for shit. Oh me too. Yeah I watched something for a half hour and I kind of have to move onto something else. I've had a lot of trouble completing books. Watching same is it's just been top. It's tough because my mind just keeps wandering. Yeah and one thing I found that helps especially being shot in as I've been watching a lot of travel shows travel shows and a lot of travel channels on Youtube says kind of become. My Comfort is watching. Youtube Channel. Show travel shows A couple. I've been watching. That have really helped me kind of like get. Outta my head space. 'cause I love traveling. I love getting Outta love road trips and nothing. That's coming on right now. There are two channels. I've been watching a lot of has really been helping out the first one. Is this guy. I don't know his real name but the name of the channel was called. Bald and bankrupt and he's a guy who apparently is went bankrupt but he speaks fluent. He's He's British from England. He speaks I think for his heritage. He speaks fluent Russian and what his channel was. It's almost exclusively going to these backwater Russian villages and just filming himself you know interacting with the locals going to all these different towns that no. They're notorious as towns there. Nothing towns and him seeing all the old. Soviet built old Soviet sites and he's he's obsessed with Soviet old Soviet bus stations so he'll film all those. It's really interesting to watch and it's a culture that I really don't know whole lot about so it's kind of fun seeing it especially not you know. He's not going to Moscow going to the big. He's like the small villages. You never in a million years either know about or want to go to but it's interesting seeing him. Go and interact with these people other one. I've been watching that's more American. Is this channel called the carpetbagger and he is this also bald me. My just interested in ball channel travel shows. He's know he's not like your typical youtuber. He's just kind of like overweight and bald and just never she looking but super likable and what he does is he travels around. America GOES ON ROAD TRIPS. And he'll go to like all the roadside attractions. And all the the the weird you know giant twine and all those things he suffers so we don't have to basically exactly but it's so he he's likable and and it's so much fun seeing him. Go to all these weird places that just really have been enjoying watching going back and watching all his channel and now he is quarantined with the rest of us. He's kind of struggling to come up with stuff to do in his house. But it's a those channels have been helping me. Kinda get out of my head space and virtually travel so oh cool fun I will. You know I you kind of made me think of. It's not really travel-related but I'll recommend The Monterey Bay Aquarium has a Penguin Cam from nine to five weekdays. It's on Pacific Time So sometimes I just watch that and it's very relaxing. Why only nine to five all day all night. I know that's what I was hoping for. But I guess they really are monogamous. And then I'll also recommend I think the only network late night host whose really killing it with the trump stuff is seth meyers I think he does so much of a better. An in-depth job of skewering trump than anybody else who the rest of land lazy jokes. I feel like But I I really enjoy Seth Meyers takes on on politics. So I'll recommend that to pat. I'm going to recommend the novel by Juma Gary Point Be a portion teleportation love story it's author. I've talked about before. Where like his rancho line but I also like his writing. His last book is really good. Couple hike recommend pass and this is the one that just came out. It's about this teenager. Who Lives in a futuristic world. Tell tell partition is possible and popular. I think he's Kinda sticking it to US David that he can read Spanish. I mean that's what it sounds like your attention span. It's an easy reader so I can't even finish easy res. Although I have I haven't really been doing easy reads. I've been like I told you. I've been reading a lot of the classics Greek classics and stuff Roman. So they're not really classic reads. No I'm saying they're not. They're not actually easy reads. I can see why I'm not. I'm having trouble finishing but it their books that I wouldn't have had as much trouble finishing pre quarantine. I don't know there's gotta be. Somebody's got to have why our attention spans are fucked during this. But I I don't know why I think I've read theories your subconscious taken up with wearing about everything else that you don't really just don't have the the strength to to pay attention to other things. Yeah I don't have the strength to watch the news anymore I I just. I don't know what the point is i. I don't watch the news. We stopped watching the news. And so we don't have cable so like at eleven when the news comes on we don't watch it. We Watch reruns of friends and I have to say that show. Is God awful? I don't know why people love that shows so much it's terrible but that's a good Rachel But but there's literally nothing else to watch at that time. I think I've seen like two or three episodes of it. It's pretty funny. Is it though? I don't know it's been a little Nazi. No here's a suggestion. Yeah you could watch nothing. Read Books Yeah. Why don't we stare at the wall? David What are we caveman? But no watching. I have not watched the news in. I think twenty years. This is not something I've ever been interested in doing. I'll read but I'd never liked watching local news or national news for that matter. I I used to I mean I love the PBS Newshour. But I don't even watch that anymore because it's all it is covert nineteen yeah. I'm the same with John. I used to watch the news. I don't anymore for the same reason I assume I'll get pop up news alerts if anything really exactly it's up. Yeah but I just can't do it anymore. There's just it it's not helping no say yes same here. It's it's definitely bad for mental health. We have been watching that person of interest. I think I told you it's a it's a fun show. I mean it's super ridiculous too. Yep Yeah but it. I mean what came out? It was predicting things that actually happened. After came out like everything about Snowden Snowden came out after that show started and was on. It's so weird. How they were ahead of the game when that stuff. Yeah it's it's fun I'll I will say that I we we're trying to keep track of how many times cars crash into other cars on that show but we love because it's at least a couple of episode. I feel like that's a popular way for government ages to kill each other. It is a good It is a good like fairly mindless entertainment. Show David if you it's on Netflix. Haven't seen it and also as I've said before. Billy on the street helps me out sometimes too. Oh Yeah I've been enjoying that. A whole bunch of that can only handle him in small doses. Exactly you can't watch Peterborough. Yeah he's good Bob's Burgers to. Oh speaking of did you guys watch the parks and REC special. Did yes that was exactly. It wasn't like over the top funny but it was. It was comfortable seeing them again. I think maybe feel good. Not Surprisingly John Ralphie. Izzo was the funniest. Yes in it. And then Oh. Jam was funny as well with his hair. That's the other John. Rothfield the actor. Yes he's got a new show. Yes the the guy from middle ditch in shorts. Yeah have you seen that? That's the only thing I'd recommend. Those are hilarious. Did you watch him? Pat I recommend the last episode. I thought you only watched the first one now for somebody still recommend it because it's so funny. Yeah I saw them. When came it? It's worth seeing? It's even funnier in person. So if we're ever able to see things outside at again I'd recommend go to see them when they come to town either way to make me and David feel less than right. Well I guess that'll do it for this episode. Thanks David for coming on. Thanks thanks for having me. Yeah I think We mean David should just use side podcast of of foreign films since Pat clearly has no appreciation now. Judy never saw the title of until we've never seen the EELS. So you have no appreciation. You don't believe that that's a real movie. I think I think it's a dish. You eight once at a at a Asian restaurant and you're so you're so impressed that they actually eight ill that you you made it into a movie in your head all right. What's Pat you do the thing? I can't concentrate Rato's pop culture to mail dot com if you'd like to make fun of me for not liking branded to kill or commending me for liking the ill or any other reason Like us on. Facebook rate is highly on itunes and read a review and most importantly. Tell your friends to listen. That's it take care. Everybody survived this corona thing and We'll be back with something sometime until then goodbye everybody.

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Sexual New Years Resolutions

Nighttime Conversations With Steve and Freja

1:03:59 hr | 7 months ago

Sexual New Years Resolutions

"Welcome to nightime conversations with steve and phraya where we take on the deeper subjects of relationships. Life love sex and personal happiness. I'm your host freia norden. And i'm here with steve cohen. Remember to like subscribe. Today is saturday january. Second two thousand twenty one part of the new and usually this time of year. People are making new year's resolutions. And i've been inspired with something that happened recently with me talking with fran yordan and she mentioned sexual new year's resolutions and what what so i asked her put on. Hold hang on for a sec. Let's save that for a podcast. Because i want to hear all about it. Let's talk about sexual year's resolutions freya take. It helps steve happy new year and up near to you. Tell me about this. What is this. What is this thought of sexual new year's resolutions. Yeah well okay. So everybody's making news resolutions for fitness and money and all these kinds of things. And i think that particularly with the last year and i and i hate saying the seaward. I'm going to say kovin here. And there but i think that there's a lot of people who are frustrated sexually and A lot of people have as their plan of action for sexual frustration. Look at more porn. Make passive aggressive comments complain about the lack of sex or complain about hus- sex's boring or even kind of get nasty about it and start making nasty comments and it doesn't actually go much further than that as far as you know when you're unhappy with sexual problems so i wanted to bring up the subject of like well. How about taking action. That feels good. And is empowering and effective. So are we talking in you. Start sort of thing i'm talking about. A new perspective will k. Versus a new start because there's a broad spectrum of people who may be frustrated sexually from People who've been married for a long time to people who are single and having maybe they're not having any at all. Maybe they're having trouble meeting people. I think that in any circumstance there can be a different approach to sexuality so that you feel like you are again on an empowered path versus that feeling the frustration and a feeling of disempowerment or victimhood. What you said earlier. I see a lot of that in at various discussion groups where there's a lot of complaint and and it's not intentional the nobody decides. I'm going to be grumpy and angry at my wife today. But the complaint is. I want more sex and it's not happening And there's there could be a torn of resentment a tone of. Do we make this happen. So you're the expert in this field. I'm going to lean on you and tell me. Where do we go from here. How do we start. What i what the first let's talk about the the whole complaining thing now. I know like when. I look back at my marriage which was a very long time ago. like us Almost twenty years ago. I did a lot of complaints there not being enough sex and then after a little wilder. It's not just that there wasn't enough sex but it was also like really boring. My husband wasn't seducing me or making me feel attractive and my way of dealing with that was to. I would bottle it up and then once a month and usually that was pms saying because i had less control over my emotions then it would all come out. And i would complain about it. I would bitch. I would be kind of passive aggressive. And then i bought a little up again and i managed to hold it all in for another month and this cycle that continued and it wasn't effective. Didn't work for me at all. Have you had any of those kinds of experience. Oh yeah oh yeah yeah. In previous lives with a number of partners. I always believed that the problem was her that that's what i believe to call. And now i know of course. It was a dilution but i always believe the problem is her because she won't give me sex when i wanted. Or what do i need to learn to turn you on. So i can flip that switch and make you haughty to wanna have sex with me. That's where my mind was at the time so i can relate to this. Oh yeah and it's something super esther parole said about this it pertains to what you said is that she said that Famous a relationship counsellor esa parole said that behind. Every complaint is a desire is a request. But we're not articulating it that way. We're not saying. I wish you would hold me. Where saying you're always busy with this and you're always doing that. We complain about something rather than asking for the thing we truly desire but sometimes even asking for something that you desire doesn't mean you're going to get it yup and that's one of the problems is when you ask for something and you don't get it then what and i would say. That's as much of a problem as the people who just say well. You never do anything romantic from anymore. Would you never you never really spent any time on four play. You don't give any blowjobs. That's very different than asking. Would i would like to spend an evening with you uninterrupted. You don't buy me any jewelry. Yeah but even if somebody asks for something. Because like i said asking is no guarantee that you're going to get from that person that you have made a decision to get everything from yeah which in itself can be problematic. So what can people do to feel better and to feel more empowered instead of feeling like a victim. Because i think that once you start feeling like you're trapped or like you are subject to the other person's moods winds and and they're in control you can start onto a downward cycle which only gets worse than it can only get worse. as long as you're in that mindset for our listening audience a victim mindset often has typically has a number of beliefs and that is i m injured. You have injured me. And i can't be better. I can't feel better. I can't heal unless you change. Those are typically the things that are part of the victimizing. Well when people talk about when therapists talk boats and counselors talk about giving away your power. I think that we're use to talking about women in that context. Oh you give away your power. And i don't think many people really know what that means and i'm going to say that men give away their power just as much as women do so this is this is any gender. This is not women's pacific. It's not specific. Anybody is soon as you put your personal wellbeing and your feelings of okinawa's in somebody else's hands you're giving away your power. That's huge and if we left the podcast at that it would be fine. Because that's a big thing to percolate. On and i think that Most people have a lot of ways where they hand their power over to somebody else even if they're handing their power over to let's say they have a very critical mother who normally they live a good life. They're happy they're happy. Go lucky things are good. They have a good and and then they go home to their moms for christmas and their mom just sort of criticizes them left right and center and even if they're among doesn't criticize maybe we should just comments you. Oh i see you cut your hair. And i see your hair short now in that comment. There's an implied criticism to which the person responds by feeling. Oh i look like oh. I feel like shit. My mom is criticizing me. You've just handed over your power to somebody who's not using it responsibly. Oh i can so relate to that go to the other scenario yup right now. Most people only go as far as to say oh. My mom is so difficult. All i feel so terrible every time but you have to go a little bit beyond that. It's not your mom is just being your mum. Yep you're the one that gave her the power to make you feel shit. So how do you change that. And that's what i want to talk about today. Because a lot of people have handed over all of their wellbeing an all of their sense of wellbeing an sexual happiness to somebody else who may or may not be using it responsibly. Man yeah sorry. Go ahead st in another way of saying that. I can't be happy unless you are ex. Or unless you are not ex- that belief means my happiness my wellbeing dependent on you behaving a certain way rather than i'm accountable for my happiness. So let's get into specifics. Because i want to really only be super practical with. I'm gonna let you go on this. Because i'm dying to hear what you've got to say about. Just want to remind you that. At some point i want to tell you the story the true story of of what you just said and how it relates to my mother. She's passed away now. But i had the exact same experience where all by mother she just. Oh she's so irritating. I can't stand it eventually. Change to make her less. Irritating wasn't her changing. It was me changing. So do your part. I what i want to hear. You tell what's going on first. And then then i'll share my story afterwards. Okay is actually. I have a. I have a group exercise that i wanna do listeners. And i think that your story would be the perfect conclusion after that exercise. It's funny because i wrote on tonight. Yeah so this has been you know. Two thousand twenty. It was a really hard year on relationships. Actually in the and coaches circles were talking about. Oh my god prepare yourself for the influx of divorces because it's been such a difficult year it you know it makes sense because it's a huge number of stress factors which can feel like Everything is out of your control for a lot of people. There's there's financial devastation. Being at home twenty. Four seven with people that you never designed to be in twenty four seven contact with like we're just not designed to be like to be like that And and what may have been a working relationship as long as the two of. You didn't have that much. Contact is no longer a working relationship. When you're together at all times and seemed with children children. Human beings were meant to be in a tribe in a community. Children were not meant to be isolated with a parent at all times zoda. So there's another stress like this is unnatural. And i think that the unnatural stress is leading to natural dissatisfaction. You gotta put that stress somewhere and we're putting that stress on each other. We're we're taking all of it and then we're projecting it on the easiest target and the easiest target is often the person that were with whether that's disposer the kids because we're talking sexual near sexual revolutions resolutions. I want to keep it to the spouse so all of this frustration. Fear and stress can lead to emotional states where you don't have access to the type of high level thinking loving and generosity of heart and spirit which is necessary for a loving happy dynamic and what i mean by. That is on the scale of emotions. I'm gonna put a link in the show notes to the scale of emotions the lower level feelings. Which are things like guilt. Shame fear anger frustrations the these are very destructive and and low level and they're unhealthy and they feel crummy to the that. Well that's how you know they're unhealthy because they feel bad. If something is a healthy emotion it feels good. Something is unhealthy emotion and destructive to your health to your wellbeing to your relationships and to to everything even even to your careers you know it because it feels bad that your body gives you an indicator which is how most people know. And if you steve you. And i were talking about abraham hicks earlier i've been a fan of abraham hicks for a long time but She talks about how your emotional guidance system you reach for the better feeling thought but that's a whole nother story so for many people. It's no longer possible because of covid because of the lockdowns because of what's happening in society Firms are are choosing to help people work from home. It's no longer possible to avoid problematic patterns of thinking and emotions so in the past when i talked about. This was a working relationship. As long as i didn't have to see that much of you now now that i'm seeing you all the time. It's no longer working. And people can no longer escape their patterns there because it's like a melting. It's like a pressure cooker right now. Everything is like all right there in the forefront. You can't escape it's too much. There's another added aspect to that and that is If we have the distraction of work and busy stuff then that keeps us on our mind occupied on something else rather than being alone with her thoughts and then really having to face stuff inside us. That doesn't feel comfortable so it's just much easier to be focused on work. That's a great distraction rather than who am my with my wife. Well there's a lot of ways to escape their work work work a way to escape socialization going and hanging out with your friends or hanging out at the bar. Marijuana is escaped now. Marijuana is an interesting in that if you are in despair in severe pain in grief in in basically the lowest level of feelings marijuana can be a positive step to feeling a little bit better but it's still not it's still not a high level way of thinking and being because you're no longer present so if you're in a terrible state if you're in the worst you can be marijuana can give you a little hand up but it can't actually get you into a healthy positive connected. Way of being an example that is chronic leg pain smokes marijuana. You can ease the pain. That's no longer hurting as much. Yeah or chronic emotional pain. I'm suffering from this. I'm feeling horribly lonely Some marijuana can temporarily ease that. And it eases the paint temporarily. But it's not the fixed to the actual problem so when people start when when people are addressing their sexual frustrations usually. There's a sense of. I want more sex. I'm not happy. I'm not going to be happy unless you give it to me or a lot of times. It in this sort of wanting sex we've addresses another podcast. It's not actually like they're horny right. It's not that they desire their partner but what they want is a feeling that they've associated with having sex right. It's not just the orgasmic. When a guy complaints. I'm not getting sex. It's not like. I don't get a chance to masturbate alone often enough. That's not the story. It's the story is so if that was really. The story masturbate easily fixed that the story is usually. I want more sex with my wife. And you're asking the question. What does it represent to you. What are you looking for. What feeling do you seek to get through that and economic but the thing is that's what's really interesting but he's like well. I want more sex with my wife but so so is it really that you want more sex with your wife or is it that you want the feelings and the connect connected this now and the love that making love with her. Generates they want validation important. They want to know they're important. Not just vaguely important to her. They want to know that they're desirable. They wanna feel like they're amand. They wanna feel like they're still alive. And yes often is a pleasure aspect to it like look at feels good to have somebody. Go down you usually. It's not about that. Yeah otherwise people would. Just go and hire an escort or hire somebody to like you know. Here's thirty bucks. Give me a blowjob or get a a really great feeling sex toy. It's not what they're looking for what they're looking for. They're looking for a feeling these. Imagine that is for guys. I'm speaking to guys now. Is imagine if your wife just lays down on the bench says do me. Is that what you're looking for. You've got availability to sex. Now go ahead do me. And that's not what the guys looking for. He's not looking for a woman who says go ahead and do me. It's i've got twenty minutes ahead. Do me what he's looking for. Is her her passionate interest in him. Her her excitement to be with him her a desire to want him. And you're right and that those are just symptoms of the phillies. He wants such as i am worthy. I am lovable undesired. I'm somebody not a worthless guy who's out of work right now. Who can't support his family. I am valued. I'm desire wanted. Yeah and just A as an aside. This is often the reason why people have affairs. They don't have affairs because their partner isn't good enough or because they don't have no they don't have affairs because they're horny. They have affairs because there's a feeling that they're looking for and they think that they can get it through this other person so my idea of a new year sexual resolution is to work on yourself and i know that there's there's going to be an immediate visceral response like fuck you. This is not going to get me the sex that i want. This is a useless new year's resolution. But if you do this and hear me out it will change your sexual life and currently were in a situation which is somewhat out of our control. I can't control what the government's doing i can't control the lockdown. I can't control the work environment or any of those kinds of things and ultimately i can't control anybody else around me to in what they give to me what they don't give to me. Your free will steps in. Yeah what i can. Control is how i feel and how connected i feel and how satisfied i feel and how fulfilled i feel regardless of what anybody else is doing and the interesting ironic thing is the better you feel in that regard the more good stuff like sex like sexual attention like sexual validation like people who just wanna make you feel good and do everything that you could possibly want sexually the more shows up. It's almost like you can't get there from here. You can't get more satisfying sex from an emotional place of frustration and resentment and as long as you're resenting that resentment is gonna hold you apart from the types of experiences that you want it. It's this might sound woo to some of our listeners. But i hear you entirely a idaho. You sound but it's not. I hear you completely what you're talking about. An i agree with you on one side. The ghetto i know that men who consider themselves sexually underprivileged amusing that word museum that god who consider themselves sexually underprivileged have a resentment towards men who have a way with women. It's not that day look good. It's not that they have big dicks. It's not that they have a lot of money. It's not that they have big muscles. What's appealing is really your underlying emotional vibration and i'm using that term vibe. Sorry i'm using it. That's okay but it's really true and it works that way within a relationship is well. Yeah so Coming back to the beginning of the podcast when we were saying like. If you complain about you know oh it's not like it's not like we do it anymore. We're basically in a sexless marriage. Oh it's not. It's not like you really want me anymore if you make if you complain and you're coming from that place you're basically the least attractive. You probably be. Oh yeah who goes through. Nothing more repulsive to u- who goes to a bar and says oh that guy complaining there. That's what i want never happens. Yeah no no. It doesn't happen and Passive aggressive comments. There's like hints. There is nothing less attractive than a hint or passive aggressive comment about sex. Nothing even with people who you love and find sexually attracted if behave in that manner and they're coming from that energy and from the space the person that you know i remember i had a lover and he look. I was so attracted to this love. I was so attracted to him in all the ways and one of the things i wasn't attracted to is. He has kind of entitled selfish attitude towards sex. Another good luck. He was very giving to me cause he liked my responses but he would make comments about blow jobs because i didn't give them all out his blow jobs and the reason i did is because he was a little bit entitled in sort of rubbed me the wrong way so he would make these through in these little hints about blow jobs and about erotic massage. Because he wanted that for me would it be an abacus. Snarky remark like. I'm a blowjob deficit this week or something like that. Those were the words but he he would just throw online and yeah and sometimes he would make comments about how in the past he would so so he would say. Oh yeah i was. I was driving. And i drove by this girl that he used to see and she would give him like an hour blowjob like a couple times a week and she. She noticed his card. She was smiling him and he would try to make me a little jealous like as if oceans giving him attention. I'm at risk somehow of him getting a blowjob from her. I was like. I don't give a shit like honestly that's the only thing that would inspire me to give him a generous. I mean generous. Blowjob would be. If i felt that he was coming at me with the same energy. Go and that would open up my heart and when my heart is open i will give anything so i just wanna shine a light on two things. One is to be self aware so that we can tell. Is this thing i'm saying. Is that a jab. That that is a backhanded jab. That i'm sending to my partner. Because i want something when i'm in critical so be be self aware and the other is if you're if your entire objective is to get i need to get sex. You'll be sending a different vibe than arly like you. I appreciate you. And i really like you and i appreciate you is pretty much the most compelling roddick vibration you can send out. I heard a female comedian just recently and this is on. Tv nodded person. And she said don't you just hate it when guys are just like nagging just to get sex. It's it's such a turnoff a sit. She says Recently met a guy he says. Hey we don't have to do sex. That's totally fine. She says what what what we don't have to do sex or now we have to. I know but that's how it works. That's really how it works and so what you said about you. Said if trump awareness the self awareness and when you make a comment so if you catch yourself making a comment or thinking of thought because of the same thing they have the same effect and actually you don't have to say a word if you're if you're thinking of thought and and having that feeling of resentful sexual complaint it comes out somehow so catch yourself and reframe it to okay. Here's this person that i want something from instead of thinking about the complaint. Imagine appreciating them aerobically which sounds very wu and it. Sounds like yeah. This is a bunch of new age. Bullshit stuff. But i can tell you it works if you appreciate somebody. Ironically it's like magic and that jake that appreciation has to be genuine appreciation rather than obscene this to get a yes. Yeah yeah that that energy of getting it doesn't work unfortunately it just doesn't work i. Unfortunately it's not that important. So what you describe as my life for for most of my life. I craved the attention of women. Believing i can only be happy if i find a partner. Who's going to give me abundance. Sex. who's always a haughty who's bisexual. I can only be happy. If i find that. And i really believe and i got virtually no sex ed. I was not happy. Guy continued to be not happy guy Eventually i worked on shifting. Who i am for me took me many years. But at the on the far side of the journey i eventually discovered that sex is really easy to get and it's no longer big deals norger thing. I'm aching four. What i really like his connection. And now i honestly i can beat a really attractive woman or just an average looking woman. I can connect with somebody and really like them. And somehow they sense this that i'm relaxing you and it. It leads to a closer and emotionally closer connection that might inspire somewhat might inspire onto a sensual erotic or sexual experience. It's not a guarantee but it might inspire them in that direction. Just that whole thing of ice authentically appreciate you. We don't need to get sexy. That's totally fine. I'm just like including being presence. I just like being around you. And here's why like it. That is a different kind of vibe. Then so are we going to play toy so practically speaking if you want to working on yourself versus working on getting working on yourself is is a sort of about way of having what you want sexually come to you naturally and some of the things. I'm going to recommend instead of saying. Give me more sex particularly in this like like. I called like a pressure cooker environment where we can't always control helmet stress. We have we can't control. How much stress is going on in the household with with kids or with work or this and that so pick some things this year that you were going to learn and master and enjoy to feel better about yourself and specific examples for are something that you can do with your partner or even if you're a single it doesn't matter there's a an app called. Omg yes have you heard steve. I have not actually heard the name. But i've never looked into it so it's not like it's like every second ad on my facebook is like Omg yes which tells you about targeting. So it's an app that has studied women cross the board and distilled their sexual responses into duplicate -able actions. I'm all ears keep on going. Yes and so everybody always says you. Women are mystery. Every woman is different. The technique is different this and that not really patterns and the only reason that women are mystery is because women have never been given the type of attention that men have in science so somebody actually put the attention onto women and into studying their erotic response and different ways that women were spawned sexually so if you care about learning see this is the thing like when people wanna learn about the opposite sex and and their sexual responses they think that somehow taking like a two hour course is going to teach them everything that they need to know about. sexual look. Look if you want to study the opposite sex. This is a lifelong study. It doesn't happen in a year. It doesn't happen in a day or a month or whatever so. Omg yes is one of those things which can improve. If you're a woman that can improve your self understanding if you're a man that can improve your understanding of women and so for example if the two of you get this. Oh my god. Yes or or Omg yes or one of you gets it. You can improve your understanding of women's sexual response. Okay so. I don't know anything about this app. But i'm guessing that it's not. How do i manipulate this woman at to give me the sex i want. What do i have to do in order to get no. It's it's understanding female sexual response. Yeah so i i. I'm just speculating that. It's likely the direction of if i can be a more generous person and take the pressure off of sex. If i can take the expectation of sex off the table and just be receptive to allowing it. Should it arise that increases the chances of it happening. Well it's like this. If you understand how okay so you wanna get fitter okay so you wanna get fitter you are either you can either understand physiology and how muscle grows and how okay this is. How muscle works. I have to feed the muscle. After work the muscle have to allow it proper Rest and it builds itself and there are other factors in place such as age hormones and all these kinds of things. If you understand that then you can pretty much design your own program as far as making your muscles grow or being fit or being fit in a certain way if you don't understand that you're at the whims of coaches or people who really don't know anything about fitness but they were lucky maybe to be blessed with good physique telling you how to be fit. So what do you like. I don't know. I guess maybe it's a person i want to know how things work and sexist very interesting to me so i care about how sex works and i wanna know how to how i have the benefit of because my work i i get bodies hands on. I get to experiment with bodies to see them. I get to feel them to see patterns over years and years and years and years. And years i get to see the patterns of how people sexually respond in a lot of different ways and firestone. Most people don't get that experience minor standing of your work is it's not just physical techniques it also includes understanding how mind works and understanding what turns on the mind and tapping into that. Yeah very much. So yeah so for so for example a new year's resolution maybe well instead of just seeing if i can get a few more blowjobs this month maybe the two of us can Sign up for the. Oh my god yes Another new year's resolution or another good opportunity would be There there's an app. I think it's called dipsy smith all erotic stories so for example the two of you can say hey. I'm going to read. It doesn't have to be dipsy. Can be anywhere but i'm gonna read erotic stories and we're gonna maybe we're gonna read one or two of them to each other at nighttime per month and either talk about will. What was it about that story that turns you on another one may be for example personal empowerment. So david snyder who somebody that i really really admire. He's taught me a lot. He talks about attraction and seduction. Those are buzzwords but really david snyder is about empowering yourself to be the best person that you can be an in that you will naturally attract the kinds of things that you want your life including sex so with david snyder's work. Maybe you're going to work on yourself. And i'm saying that if you want more and better sex stop looking at where you think or believe. The source of that satisfaction is coming from. Look in the mirror in start being the change that you want to see from other people the message from at least at least the way the the way my brain interprets. What you're saying is i. I'm seeing instead of thinking. I need sex. So i can feel better is adopt the perspective of allow myself figure out how to become a happier being figure out how to be more joyful and then that through my interactions with others that joy. I'm bringing to the table. That's what i'm contributed the happiness. The joy the wellbeing that then inspires wellbeing enjoyed with others and then that creates the opportunities for greater desire and possibly more socks. Yeah and another one So i'm going to put a list in the show notes of different resources for people who like to improve themselves sexually. Another one is betty. Martin dot org yeah. She's got a series of videos and information on the wheel of consent. And it's a sidestep to kane serve saying give me more sex and said you're learning about how each other works and what the dynamics of giving receiving doing this is a big thing if you understand more about your partner in yourself. You're going to naturally have better experiences. So i really wanted to before you told your mother story. Steve i wanted to give a practical example of what i'm talking about when i say have the experience like be the change that you want to see in the other person. I'm i'm all for that. You ready okay. I've been working on that for twelve years and making amazing progress. So i swear by that instead of trying to get whatever it is you seek is be the person that is the substance of that stuff. So this thing. I'm going to lead our listeners through a group experience and it's really important that you participate intellect listening and intellectual. Leising is not going to give you that. A ha moment of ohio. This is what it feels like to actually embody the experience of being okay. Okay so i'll play along. But do i need. A box of kleenex is by my side. I don't see okay. I don't think you will because there's not. It's not one of those like to go and he'll all your traumas it's more. I wanna give. An example of kleenex is just in case. But i wanna play along with you so go ahead do it all right. I want you to you can do this in real life or you can just mentally do it. List tattered twenty things that there are to complain about right. Now in the world The world at large global politics or your smaller world like your car breaking down the faucet leaking co that masks money racism and i want you to go on a mini internal rant about one of your favorite subjects to be pissed off about. Okay are you can go on wednesdays. I can do it. Do only max she talked about. Yeah go on one okay. Human caused global climate change. It like pisses me off that into. The signs are everywhere. We've been knowing about this for decades and yet there are millions of people in denial saying. No it's not happening. humans aren't causing it. Just keep on doing things as we are. I could go on that for hours. Yes i could. I and especially because you know why because money and i'm like how can you put. How can you put more billions like it's not like you need anything. Y- you don't need a thing how can put more billions over the earth really anyway so go on like for a minute okay. An keep on renting you can keep on ranting but really what i really want is for people to access that anger and access that that bitching that complaining that feeling of like plus steve. The thing that bugs me is. There's nothing i can do about it. Like i actually cannot do anything i can clean up my yard. I can pick up garbage. But i can't do anything about these big companies which poor so much pollution and chemicals into the ocean the plastics all that kind of stuff pollution as profitable so forget about the the cost less on making profit so make a fist with your left. Hand talking to everybody right. Now make this with your left hand doing an whole and hold that fist. While you do this. Continue that complaint. And i want you to think about somebody that you care about could be. A friend could be a lover. If you're in the sexual new year's resolutions thing it could be your spouse and continue complaining and list the most annoying things about this person that you care about and list times that they annoyed you recently. And they're annoying qualities should be pretty easy for a lot of people particularly if we're talking about their partners and i want you to pour all of that betrayal that disappointment that anger that disdain that sort of like lack of trust just pour all of these things into that left fist in and get into that zone of of when you're sitting there in your house and your so annoyed at the toilet seat up. They splashed piss on the floor. Okay so holding that space. After doing this steve. Did you get some complaints about somebody that you care about gaga about this woman and there's very few complaints but i do have some thoughts that that would like to change. Yes so How does it feel to be on that train. And masking this To the listeners. How does it feel to be on that train of criticism and thinking these bad thoughts about that person that you care about it can even be disappointment. It doesn't have to be hostile to console yet. It can be sadness it can be feeling let down by them and jeff can be betrayed when you're on that train when you're in that space do you like them very much. Are you ready to end that friendship or that relationship or do you feel like you're in that questioning period. Do i even want this relationship. Do i want this marriage and asking yourself. Why do i even bother. Are you in that space of you. Know what i'm going to give me give this misery and other five years and then maybe when the kids are grown up all aleve it just pay attention to that fist again with your left hand and really feel what it feels like to have. All of these thought patterns and feelings come flooding back into body. So if you can. Some people can't because of the way. They're headphones i or maybe they're driving or stuff like that. I want you to get up. Shake it off. Shake both your hands like as if you're shaking water off them so i can unclench my left fist clenched fist. Shake off okay. I'm doing i'm sitting. Yeah if you can stand up and shake your body and walk in a circle around the room do it take any breath. I am doing that. I'm actually hey. Yeah still got my headphones on. I got a good course. I'm walking around the room. Look at a boring spot on the wall. Recite your phone number out loud to me backwards. Backwards steve okay. Good the backwards thing. I just wanted to break state so it was good and happy. Find another boring spot on the wall. Not the same one a different one and or on the ceiling. If you're lying on your back listening to this and you can look at the ceiling. Just just find somewhere boring to focus on and the pay attention to your breath and start to breathe in slowly and exhaling just a little longer than your inhale focused on lengthening that exile. Just a little bit making your breath comfortable and allow your eyes to become unfocused now and blurry and pay attention. To the periphery of your vision instead of that focus spot. Pay attention to the very edges. Of the periphery and imagine expanding it back even further. Almost as if you could see kind of behind your head because there's a limit to our peripheral vision. Good need to breathe as you're focused. Your eyes unfocused. I should say him blurry we'd comfortably. Now close your eyes and notice. The weight of your body as it is supported beneath. You buy whatever it is that you're resting on notice the sensation of the soles of your feet. Maybe they're in socks and there's fabric against them or maybe the resting on the floor continuing to breathe nice and gentle notice your right hand and how the sensations in your right hand are different from the sensations on your left hand and all. We're doing his noticing without needing to make any changes. And what i'm gonna have you do is imagine that you're breathing in and out from the center of your chest and of course the air is literally moving in and out of your nose or your mouth and coming through your throat but imagine that the breath is coming from the chest and from the heart center and that as you breathe. You're actually breathing in light in and out of your body go ahead and relax your body all the way from head to toe that a warm blanket of comfort and relaxation. Wash from the top of your head. All the way to the tips of your toes and sink down even further relaxing completely. Now make a fist with your right hand. Not so hard that it hurts to hold it but just make fest and imagine something or someone that fills you with pure unadulterated love and joy. It doesn't matter who it is could be a puppy. It could be imagining holding a newborn baby or the first time that you made love. And you looked into your lover's eyes and health after you did it the first time or the best time. What matters is that you feel that love and feel it now and just hold an imaginary smile as you. Breathe that love in and out of your chest and let it flow down into your hands disassociate that that fist. Without feeling of beautiful. Love in your heart. Magin that feeling of love shining from the center of your chest like a son and if you could turn up the volume on it turn not love up from wherever it is all the way up to ten suffer from zero to ten. Turn up the volume. All the way so that it's brilliance overpowers everything in your completely engulfed in this light. Hold that light and hold your right fest. Feel that love. And now i want you to make a fist with your left hand and at the same time. Think of the person that you complained about just a few moments ago. And i want you to shine all of that light. All of that love onto them and send them all to love and appreciation. You have right now. Imagine looking at them with the light of love in your eyes and in your heart and intentionally with that love and without light. Imagine you could illuminate. All of the things. There are to notice about them. That can be appreciated. Go on a rampage in your own. Mind or out loud if you want you because sometimes it feels good to just say it out loud go on a rampage of what you love about them in your mind and notice how good it feels to be on that rampage of appreciation and sometimes the things are really silly. I love how your fuzzy gray beard feels against my neck when you kissed me. How soft it feels or when you're working on the sink your pets always slide down and there's this little plumber's crack and it's hilarious. But somehow it just sparks it. Sparks joy of laughter. In my heart. What you appreciate as a matter. Wouldn't the point is at your appreciating sh. You can relax your hands and open your eyes. My question is what's the difference between wanting to kill somebody that you're generally close to in wanting to love on them. Is it them are they. I say this in quotations driving you nuts or is it you and is it your thought patterns and the feelings that you have access to and i'll give you the answer it's you and ultimately if you're suffering due to your relationship the answers lie inside of you versus in controlling the other person's behavior and ironically once you shift what happens internally once you shift internally these feelings from criticism to appreciation you will see it is the law. You will see circumstances with your partner or with the world at large which are more satisfying and so last night. I listened to a livestream on youtube by A phenomenal teacher and coach and killer named david snyder. Who i'm going to link to in the show notes and somebody in the questions in the in this livestream asked him how to be happy and i liked his answer well enough to write it down because of course i i knew that stephen i we're gonna be doing a podcast and david snyder said to live a life that is in harmony with your values and that's the key to happiness because anything that and and that's the end of his quote and i'm saying anything that's outside of your values is gonna sort of chafe so when you know what your values are. You need to be living within those values. That's different than trying to get what you want to pursue lutely absolutely and i'm paraphrasing. But he went on to say you can't put responsibility for creating an optimal life on any other person. And he said that. So he's a real family guy and you can see that with his livestreams like his daughters are. They're always popping into his livestreams. He talks about his wife in glowing terms. He's really really about his family and he he said you know if his family were to disappear. He has built just like from one day to the next. If they were somehow disappear he has a life that would be happy and fulfilling outside of them. And that's the key. Everybody needs to build that. Everybody has to have a life that is happy fulfiling instead of expecting somebody else to provide it for them. And that's different than i don't care about you. I'm indifferent that's totally different. It's it's a totally different thing. What are you saying. What he's saying is contribute. What i bring to. The table is my joy. And my well being. And i share that with you and i appreciate you and i value in my life. He's all about what you bring to the table because what you bring you. Also get in return. Steve i'm going to conclude with this statement. But i want you to tell your story after the statement and then we're going to stop recording so my question to the audience is what three things can you do right now today tomorrow next week to take more responsibility for your sexual happiness so that you're not giving away that power to somebody else big one. That's a big so before we go on I just want to tell you that. I i have a hard time with google stuff but This exercise exercise. You did makes me think like you know the story that i'm going to tell you about my experience with my mother. It sounds really trivial compared to what we've just went through So i have my kleenex box beside. I'm drying up though motionless in my eyes. So yeah those. There's something to that. Oh i encourage people to rewind this podcast and and do this. Do this exercise. Possibly several times. Don't do it back to back but just do this exercise. The thing that phrase just walked us through do that rewind it and do it I encourage you. I found it. I went into its skeptical. Because i don't deal well with but yeah there's something to it so well technically speaking i do have to say now. I'm a i'm a very experienced. And also well trained hypnotherapist and neuro linguistic programmer. And i the effects that happen when you actually fully participate in this type of exercise are measured by science. So it's not a this. Exercise was not a woo hoo exercise. It was to prove the point. That how you feel is determined by what you focus on his. What you focus on is where energy goes an energy really is the ability to create work right so if your energy is on what you appreciate about people you're gonna get more of that if your energy is on what you hate about somebody. You're going to get more of that. It sounds simplistic but somehow we humans forget about it as we sit there in this critical commentary pattern and then we wonder why we're not attracted to our partners and if you want to elicit Sexual generosity from another person you cannot ever elicit sexual generosity willingness and attraction from somebody by criticizing them. You can only get there by appreciating them. Because i can tell you that when somebody appreciates you fully you blossom in their presence. And that is actually. I know that. I have met men who just love women. They appreciate them. That type of man feels really good to be around. That's different than i desire you for sex or desire your company. That's different the appreciation. Is i just like you. I like being around you. It's it's totally different. When you stop you can actually enjoy a person for who they are. It doesn't matter what their faults are because their faults are not the part of them that you want to interact with any way you want to interact with the best of them so focus on the best of them and you're going to get the best of them get whatever you focus on you amplify your experience exactly. Yeah says steve. I really want to hear story. It feels trivial compared to what it would just experience. So here's a story. My mother's passed away now but when she was alive she used to have this really weird quirk. Where if we had a wind storm. I would get a call from other steve. Are you okay to win this horrible. I just wanted to make sure you're okay and it would aggravate me here. I am an adult. I'm in at the time was in my forties late forties. Why is she like a kid. Just stop this. cut it out. I'm fine. I'll let you know if i crawl confine and it would irritate me and i believed she irradiates me. She's treating me like a kid. And years later. I realized why am i feeling this way. And that is because it's taken me back to being a kid. I'm feeling now the feelings. I would have as a small child who's trying to prove i've grown up. I'm not a five year old. I'm six now. You don't have to baby me anymore. That's what i'm feeling. And that's what i'm reacting to. So i chose to adopt different perspective and that is rather than my mom is tricky mulic kid and she's calling upon me to make that it truly mlk. I chose to adopt another perspective. That is my mother is just being the way she is has nothing to do with me. She's just being a mom concerned about her adult of grownup kids thinking that their kids that they need care she's just being a mom hoping for their wellbeing not that she can affect it or change it. She's just hoping for her wellbeing and these are the words that she is express it. That's all it is. It's not that you're a kid. It's not like she's treating your five. It's not like she thinks you're helpless. She's just hoping for your wellbeing and who is that actually a nice kind of thing where someone beautiful thing. 'cause she's she's loving you need someone cares about you. They're really hoping you're okay. Yeah so when. I could adopt that different perspective. It wasn't an aggravation anymore. It was just the was just mom. She's just hoping okay. Thank you thanks mama. Totally fine totally safe. No harm here. i'm fine how are you doing it. didn't it literally didn't bug me anymore. When i could make that shift. So when i was married my husband was an acts of service guy and he used to like looking back as an adult. Now he really did a lot of things and he did a lot of really good things and he used to take care of everything like you took care of all the details. I was like a child. I didn't pay attention to any details. He did it all he did. All the work. And i couldn't and i was sitting there selfishly. Criticizing him for not giving me the attention insects and love that. I thought that i wanted. And i was so busy being in this critical space of neediness that i couldn't see that he was actually loving me tremendously because you would not put that much work into somebody unless you loved them and he was he was working and he was working he was doing and he was showing me. He loved me in the only way that he knew how i was too wrapped up in my criticism to actually feel it. And if i had simply shifted just a little bit. I would have felt this. I wouldn't have felt alone. I wouldn't have felt abandoned. I wouldn't have felt like critical and an unwanted and frustrated and on attracted to him because he wasn't giving me the kinds of things that i wanted. I would have been blown away by the love that he was actually giving me that. I was unable to receive. It's because in your mind. Love looked a certain way. And i'm not getting that thing that the way that love looked so i'm not feeling loved. Yeah yeah yeah at to bring that back to sexual new year's resolutions is. It's not uncommon for people to feel. I'm not getting sex. I don't feel loved when in fact you are loved. You're just not having a lot of sex right now and a lot of time. Sex is a dynamic that is a completely different dynamic than than love. Yeah totally different thing. You can love someone dearly and just absolutely adore them and not have sex with them. Totally different thing. Yeah so i would love to continue this discussion In terms of eliciting more sex but out for today. yeah to our listeners. Rewind this podcast. Go back to that. Exercise at fred did I i'm skeptical of that stuff. But i felt. I felt a shift just within those few minutes if it can do something for a cerebral guy like me where i can feel a shift and i believe that it can do something for you. Just allow us to be there. Don't try to think through what just have the experience. That's exactly what my instructions were in the beginning. It was participate. Don't think about this. Don't sit there disconnected and disassociated analyzing it just participate in it. And i don't find. Is that if you do the same thing with life and you participate in life instead of simply observing. You're going to have a lot more fun.

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Part3:NHC 2020 Live from Las Vegas

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Part3:NHC 2020 Live from Las Vegas

"Form now early days yet things can still change at that. Trend does look like it has a chance of continuing David Snyder with his five million dollar dollar bonus potential if he were to win with that entry seventeen forty cents some work to do there and then Brad Anderson rb the CBC winner his Second Entry Is Okay with thirty to twenty but his three million dollar bonus two dollars eighty cents so We might not have a bona story story to to track. It always happen. How how is it that that just doesn't it? Is it a pressure cooker. Or why do you think it's been so challenging. I think that it's mostly probably random but I think it probably is a little bit of potentially a little bit of panic to. We've we've seen. We've we've talked to dave good freund when he was playing for it. I guess that was just last year and I did sound like He. You felt like when he was looking back at it he may be got in his head a little bit baby effect that a few things and he did get up off the floor and make a run on day two. It was not happy at the end of day one so I do think it's mostly random is one of these years and it could even still be this year make no mistake. We'll get a really fun. Bonus story sorry to follow but it is also possible that the that one's going to go away by the middle of the day Tamar I know we're we're still trying to find a champion to win twice. Yes I mean there's been never been a two-time winner very very difficult to have a big run super difficult. We have seen a of past winter. Make AK- final table. We're seeing Ray arsenault now up on the leaderboard that'll be fun to follow Stanley Babylon not too far behind that is. That's the story more than the bonus story. The story I want to do is the time the two time. Winner Steve Wolfson. I guess is came ridiculously. Close winning back right away and then And then running second the other the year so we did we did get the follow that all the way to all the way to the end or nearly Hanging hanging Paul. Paul Dominic. WanNa come chat for a minute. He's looking picture. You have all your pets in. Don't sit down and work so is is that that the two lanes sweatshirt the one sweater t shirts on. Is that the famous Tulane sweater. That is g shirt that is your good luck charm. Yes is it working today. Yeah I guess so. I tried a new strategy with one ticket and You know those two bombs probably knocked me out but it was on the bubble okay for a while you know like a fifty dollars or something or forty so basically. That's an th that was five two twos and two two ones and three two ones that I just put in the first thing and the other tickets blanks we were talking a lot. ABOU- Golden Gate and synthetic and that potentially being an ended advantage on a day like today. Where with the East Coast tracks diluted that a player who plays woodbine might would have a little bit of an edge in terms of familiarity with golden gates? And all I can't I can't I can't six. I don't follow Golden Gate at all that plays the same or you know. So what are the factors for you in synthetic handicapping that are different than betting dirt or turf that it's it's basically a fair surface. Most of the time I I just hate factoring bias into every a lot of players look players that big money do it and you're the second person to say that on so I don't really care villas fair every day. Hey would you know I i. I'll be fine. I'll be more than fine. Just don't give me a don't want to buy it. I don't want that horse. I've been waiting for to get over Beca it's plain speeder. Her closers and you feel like sent generally speaking fairer than than any the surface woodbine house right now. The previous one the poly all tracks they had it was basically the opposite of a dirt track. It was seven white closers all day and all night you know and I think keeneland had the same track and and that one was blowing at their backs in the lane just handicap. The last two so the new the new surface. It's it's everything is just most days. I don't even pay attention to the bias like I don't even keep them for the for the synthetic I wouldn't mind your thoughts on the new Woodbine Turf Horse. Did you play much of it last year. You're looking forward to it this year. Yeah I was playing playing it. It was all right but you know I just. I snuck on a couple of times after rains jeans and seem pretty hard but I'm no track specialists or anything right and even more important. I didn't run a horse on it and and I have someone who's doing an indepth study good handicapper. That has nothing more time than I and he goes. You want me to do something. You only woodby right because women do something over the winter some stat I will. Yeah tell me how the horses coming off the inner turf races I would mind. How did they can come with a number you know how did they all come back overall? was there a trend very interesting. I think I think there is one. But that's just kind of thinking about a day to day meeting. You WANNA share. Sorry you WanNa share your theory on what you with your hypothesis really. Yeah yeah talk more about that goes on. How's the summer How's The wicker down in Florida? It started off badly. I spent the first five days in the hospital. Oh my God At Idiots a Toronto airport made me take my cat out of the bag right then. Don't break my balls on twitter or some please guys but this poor cat security yelled let me to take it up like twice so I took it out of holding her and she's neurotic and she. She was fine and then she looked around and she started just sunk into my hand three times. I'm gushing catcher at the other end of the airport under so my something. She bit me again and I find it locked and she went in the age and we got infected off five days. I five days in Florida. I've been to a hospital. It's not good. KNOCK GINA recover. Okay yeah it's almost the middle finger kind of locked in the morning. It's like tendon thing. But no offense Tommy but I was more worried about the cat. My Cat's great now. Because you know what's she's really scared of everything but in my backyard. There's this manmade lakes it and there's squirrels and little lizard big lizards which ducts with Whitehead's and. She just stares at the window imagine murdering them all. Today's nine to one shot is going to be second and Faisal watched shot two to five or three to five is going to go down Royal insider for Steve Leave NAP with Yego. Pierra is five to one at twelve dollar winter and the nine to one that looked like Who did all the hard work? And I gotTa tell you that horse the five Kyle L. More the Gary student that went to its nose out of the gate and so that was a tremendous effort by the five nine to one and a lot of people. The yelling presumably more nine to one and the winner but option plays dwindling. I'm sure a lot of people participating there. How many places do you have left timing? I don't know how many are alive. But they're all in I'm done for the day. You put them all in early. I one ticket all in once. I got the scratches and and had to go to change the law races. I A couple of Laurel races. They were censored by the way who you. If if it's not you in this tournament who you rooting for Justin. Do two dollar ticket on them so for anyone. So Ray Arsenault was up there doing pretty well you sitting with him. You sitting with Toronto. No no no no no. Where are you with well stocked around? I'm trying right you know. I don't want to bug the Toronto guys side. Saw Tony's I'll share so I know probably till four o'clock I'm going to have all the allegra shows up. He's been bouncing around here. Don't he's been beside me and where you know. We talked for a while. Once razor started perfect guy to sit next to He's he says the same thing about me because I can really start talking and you know I'm so like today I was ready. I had nothing to do but you know handicapping to do just a little bit thinking so I was read. I've been ready for the last few days right so I can sit there and talk talk all day tomorrow. It's a different than how excited are you for the Breeders Cup betting challenge to be back at Keeneland this year. The site of your great victory. Oh Yeah just to get. Even though it's a a two day trip just just to be able to go to keeneland three times in the year instead of two I want something. It's your home away away from home in many ways. What do you like about Cain lintels? I don't know I just I don't have always hated. Going to places that are crowded compan- no one likes to hang around about drunk and you go to a place where everyone is drinking. The odds are so the first time I went there. I never had. Everybody was just one thirty. Everyone around these hammered right and and it was never problem. You know what I'm just saying. Okay so I got over that then just just got to relax. Don't they. Don't relax and then the money. I want like heroin. Never mind. Relax relax you subtle make you want to. I don't know what it is. I feel magic every time I go there now. What whether it's getting see people get the C. France but I'm real sweeping? Don't sleep for a week before the because I going to go there and kill him ears feeling. What what what what? I'm confident I don't sleep. I asked Jim Goodman what he thought. The connection between you and your success excess there and he cited confidence. He said you feel he feels like no horse. Blair is more confident than Tommy. Massa Keelan do you think that's right or are you that confident I've I've won every way possible team Lynn's got back to the hotel room then even though I wanna catch twenty four thousand because my horse was scratched and I got the favourite and a big war all kinds the stuff like that. They were watching as executive branches Even money winner Chad. The one four four seventy two so no help in the nightcap at Oaklawn for anybody really I mean unless you're just for some reason how to play left and decided to get involved but unlikely to shake things up the way we've seen we should be due for new leaderboard fairly soon. Well we just saw John Kosten. John Walked by. He's got royal insider. The Steve knapp Napa Winter Nineteen dollars combined and so a nice little boost for him and we'll look forward now to the Santa Anita This will be excuse me the seven. I should say we already had the cows come up with the winners back to where exactly right now. We're looking ahead head to the seventh and our. We have two more mandatory as things have just whistle by the this. Oh and by the way actually Casey. I'm sorry Casey asked me a break break an hour ago. We just ran through two hours since the last break unbelievable. Let's take the break here. So the Casey Chop up the segments on the website site. We're coming to you live from bally's Tommy masses. The Hammer is with us and look so distinguished with the with the glasses blesses. My aunt calls me the Macedonian George Hamilton back after the apparitions with Steve on Sirius Sirius. XM radio develop by horsemen horse. 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XM Radio uh-huh the we're back on the music is playing but PEOP- compete nine headed to the metro and rich was saying hello to somebody and I ran into Andy Burg and and and he started to talk to me speaking of music music. I got some comments on the music that was playing on the feed before you came on today and I couldn't I couldn't remember first of all was super positive about The quality of the music but it was it specifically. It was about the GIN and juice bluegrass cover. Who's that WHO's the artists on? Yes and Casey and I have been. That's that's that is that plays haven't really used it. We haven't used it In show but it plays as we have a K.. Cases got a pre show and kind of OPPO show tape and I'm and I found it originally. I want to say say case. He'll tell me a second. I completely forget I founded years ago and I said I knew because I knew case with would go crazy. And he'll give him a second. I forget who it is but it is. It's awesome pro player Sean. Bormann was very excited about hearing it and said you know if for you if we need to take a break we could just play that again. The GOURDS gourds. Yes the Gorz. Yes there it is thank you. Thanks case Steve Out to make the suggestion to you in DC. And the Pete some of the interviews that you just had here with those people when when you when you put together a Like a best Delvin love and taking a day off but if if you could cut off as some of those interviews man oh man tremendous tremendous interviews well and it's funny. Elite people seem to love the coverage from here and at the same time when I when I run. When I'm off like we'd have I especially especially the June July break? My tendency is to run. You know at either final table Sunday Sunday tape or you know whatever and people say. Oh it's boring to listen to contest. It's not interesting. What do you mean it's not interesting? Are you not interested in the kinds of people because we're not just talking about the I mean we talk strategy but what about everything else that gets it gets discussed and incites set approach and tools and I. I'm I'm surprised when I when I hear that from some people. I'm surprised I I would say for for example Roxy Interview with with you folks if he was a paid consultant at a gaming conference he pipe big money for a lot of the stuff he talked about hundred eight percent. If you if the quality of guess we've had nothing that we've done but the quality of guests we've had today yourself included rich if you can't learn something and be entertained by by them. I can't help you well. Here's a compliment as somebody. That's enjoying the show. Our partner in the horses. Steve Garland checking in listening listening on the beach and Costa Rica. Oh now that's how it's done that's how it's done right. Not so bad not so bad. It feels like some people have left Steve. I'm looking at the crowd is thinning out here for some people they put in there too they must there's still to Mandatory so they must have made their mandatory plays and they're gonNA go watch it from their roots dangerous because of you know late scratches and whatnot agreed agree. Maybe they're close enough. They think they can get back here. I don't know TQ. Tom Quickly walking by. He gives us the mets quickly quickly. It criticised rocking the trademark aloha shirt and looking really good quick you put in their Their last mandatory about a half hour ago Oh and then went up to the room and took a nap and say they were like in Fifteenth Place. If they take a look at the standings at the end of the day they might be fiftieth. I mean there's there's a lot going on is coming. Well we've got a full field coming up a seven to five favorite for Peter Miller for the Rosen's going to vegas going to Vegas. How about that seventy five here? In the seventh race at Santa Anita let's handicap this and how about how about ELISSA WITH I. I saw her daughter. It's gotta be your daughter Right. It uh it would appear that way on the feet Making a giggly appearance. And what's the secret of we're going to hear here from Christina Oliveras blacker tomorrow and What's the secret all these quarter horse trainers marrying up marrying up the TV the to go become a quarter horse trainer to Landa Right TV? They become an unbelievable. It's unbelievable looking ahead to this seven. Here it is. It's a maiden eighteen. Seventy five going a mile on the grass and fielded nine quick A quick glance. Let's look at this field. Doug O'Neill stretching out violent speed of violence philly for great friends racing Out there and you're looking get a twenty one to one third career start. Hasn't done a lot to recommend her as of yet Flamingo Bay. An Irish bred the holy Roman Empire for an an and May Her brother or brother. Her husband is a bloodstock agent mail Mail Lloyd I think right they eloy. Male Loyd is I think the partnership this is another try sources over five got one the show performance newtown or stunned actually actually bread and thirty two one four two one on wine at sunset a second time starter. Eric Cruel Jack and by the way earlier one of those nights so I think one of the Nice Prices Matthew recently and that is the. It's not respectively. It's not the kid road on the East Coast. This is the the the the veteran or is young. But he's still a veteran who wrote in Hong Kong. And it's reese Poli Reese Poli reese he's like like reese Poli Poli Walk Poly. Rose Reese Poli is how you pronounce that I got that directly from Mir Ahmadi. So it's gotta ought to be right now. He was master of pronunciation. Eric Rule Jack is using him to great great success He's getting a lot of good mounts but cruel cruel Jacko's with Mike Smith in this spot Wine at sunset. And you're looking at four to one off of a ten to one morning. Line Cosmic cowgirl Ritchie. She bought this for sage racing and partners. She is with responded and eight to one here and Rosario Road last time This one is moving to the grass with Malibu Moon out of a yes. It's true mare bred by casselton lions. I give up the five Hector Palma seventy-two With the Pierra puts the blinkers on. Lucia's design Craig Lewis. WHO's won four races here the first COUPLE COUPLE OF MONTHS COMING OFF. A bullet work says two one then. Some prices thirty five to one on heat the storm Turkish Angel with Jose. Valdivia Junior. I I love you. More mean Michael McCarthy going back to the grass after a trip to Golden Gate was actually a decent third in their up at the s African and thirty thirty eight to one and then three two two on going to vegas who is over six but four seconds. Isn't that a career. Megan might might just might just have have that look about it. Maybe an interesting place to try price against this favourite despite the hunch play name. Golden Gate is in the gate and the eight after this will will be the last of the mandatory and there's only three races left on the day for everybody and looking here at a field of eight. You've got got an eight to five favorite brother Chichi. Oh and You've got to shot seven or stone grow for Tim. The Cana trying to win his second of the afternoon looking for the quickfire double up there at Golden Gate keeping an eye. There is my man. How you you doing John Lennon Netco Louis up there we go John Nichols having himself day up into fifteen place as I think he was about ninety five dollars turning for home and every raise the golden gate like like you said they all live across the top of the typical poly track? It's unbelievable this quite a Finnish Bali track. Did you play here now Now the two wars eight to five favorite and here comes five to one inside three seven one shot as typical polly chaos. You have eight horses. Assist seven of the eight were separated by a like the corner. That was a crazy craziness. I look at the three Gallup out. This is Juan Hernandez aboard for Dan. Marky seventy one. Dan markel a smiling tiger four year old gelding and this is a nice mutual. Sixteen dollar winner John. Talk About Your Day Got Lucky early. In the day with the off the grass race at Gulfstream started looking at the race and really didn't like anything now went back again. I looked at the force a little bit in the pocket. Lopez like the rider changed him and the mayor or the Horse three times I start on the dirt that well really took a little money. Came back around on the grass twice and didn't run a separately. I got to look and I said this horse bred for the dirt and mud Justin Adjusted Philip Philip out of the. I can't remember kind of Mary was the thunder Gulch. Maher is mud on mud. I thought so I took a shot with him actually better my pocket too so that paid eight thirty four dollars. Four dollars Just Andy Berg from dumpster and the ad that horses and then got a brutal be huge double chickens double ticket. These live for fifty fifty grand opening of those of you who don't think the contest players are betting. There's your answer after that after that I had the Saint Lawrence Gulfstream and other than that. I just grinding it out. What how how how you approach mandatory? Yeah I'm not the kind. I don't go reach for bombs until I have two of them. I mean I'm more logical player. I go look for value and everything. Thank but if I'm still said okay I don't go out just play. Twenty two one demand worry. Just play twenty two once. I'm GonNa take a horse alike or horse. I'm going to actually play the race right. Actually using a gimmick bet him to win but I'd use them in the gimmicks next. What was your goal coming into today? John One hundred dollars ninety Already Pomona next to you. Plays in our no what I'm got so you have a and you're you're done with the optional. Yeah so you just got the two dettori left. We got a top of the hour or about eight minutes away from the Santa Anita seven and then now the nightcap at Golden Gate actually these are both nightcaps right where does golden gate has one more after the nine altogether nine racecar interesting so there will be hanging around for that. I guess. Yeah we'll get we'll we'll have a we'll have the leaderboard going into the day. Let's got eight minutes Decapa how we just shot on the three. Didn't know I figure Mike Smith ride had them the first race English Channel stretching out. He's taking money now other than that. That's that's the only way I could really come with. It might offer offer little value. But he's been better off the board kind of good sign. I brought up the fact that cruel Jack has been writing recently in you know a lot of a lot of resources and so I thought also that the Mike The the Mike Smith was a bit of a was a bit of a flare. I mean if I wouldn't up close right now I wouldn't know if I'd go. Forty four to one. I'd go for something else in the Stabat but this is where I'm at now I've gotTa take him this play logical. How's the rest of the table doing over there? Francis Francis Truth and sixteenth. He's in there he's he's the table next week. With the Matisse Jesse's in my table he's right up there right now we've got the bet with our table able Jonathan Blake Jesse all of us against the HR table US head to head scores. And go you're looking pretty good right now What what what everybody on the on the on the hook for one hundred and fifty nice like twelve hundred altogether? It's a fun idea that he'd on the other competition. I don't know if it's a table to table but it's kind of fun. The ten strike a partnership and the Little Red Feather partnership have a little bit of a head to head going. I think they did it a little bit different different. They're GONNA do like best three scores or something. And there's a charitable element to that one as well so it's kind of fun. The all the competition Titian within the main contest and then tables amongst themselves and entities amongst themselves as well. You have a pretty good record in that head to head against the bay chocks don't you. I wouldn't involved. Yeah I was always on the Mideast table and they were the table next to us but I know they won the last two years. Insure I love what what's been the dining. You've been here a week you almost a week. Yeah we're going to the steakhouse here in the Tonight Look Nicer. Pete and I went to uh-huh tire restaurant the other night today last year. Last yesterday I was worn out early on when a lunch date. Any fog eating at night here here that I know the feeling feeling what What how much work have you done for tomorrow? And I've looked at about five tracks already. I'm already gone through the preliminary stuff and I'll finish up in the morning. You keep on east coast time this morning at three o'clock Vegas time which is six nine slave their toy for five o'clock vegas time it'd be eight lifetime well at home at home you're churchill by duet ten five. I get there. I'm there. Track them down there at five o'clock just like Mardi Mardi gave me. I've seen he's beaming there once. I think I've seen their one night though when we're still on the old press box when I was a great story Marty. Don't don't cuss me. That much. But but This one we were still in the press box Derby Week and he's now go during the break. I walked back the restroom back in the back of the book I looked down the press frozen. The lack they had the whole road where the press during the Derby and there's Mardi laying on the floor and Indians curled up in a ball talking more during the break always taking a break so fast fast none other. He's he's Tampa What Speaking of which what what. What your impressions here about? How are you? You're not gonNA go anywhere now. Visits more for a week or so. It was like to have a little time off. I go nonstop from. I'll start at Keelan at the end of March and I'll go pretty much seven days a week in a few days off here and there till the end of November who suppressing ring as we get Kinda Roland now nobody really I mean I don't I don't get too excited about him. This early in the year to me horses too much contained with a horse between now and then and I just want to go into the race so now I just don't I don't fall. I've I've gotten to where I don't fall in love with anybody. Now who's who's Jake like I don't know he was. He was going back. He called me last week and he was headed back to Louisville after the draw on Saturday to see his girlfriend. I guess and he's been so busy. Now it'd be Allie. He's gamble is needed for channing. Hill and Joe Talamo. I mean it's like a real working. You never thought you'd see what the kid growing up. He's all grown up. It's unbelievable to funny. We're talking about Jake Romans of course Who who John? Who Harasses John for winners for as long as I know that I've known him since I was a kid and his grandmother? TAMMY's Mommy's actually babysitting me when I was a kid so I kind of feel bad for you gotta look out from a little bit but aw he used to hang out the track with all these guys. It's when actually go the track. Every day be down by the paddock. He was like nine or ten. You come running up this to see who I liked. And we'd watch him. Go Run off until these other guys. He's big betters and everything. So was there one day he comes up one day. I'll look at them. They're shake my head. He goes over to Winfrey Winfrey pulls kick it off. Pocket flashes. Adam J goes run off little say that was a losing ticket. Merlin a day. It was random number on it so they kind of learned after that the next time you talk to jake asking me all that storage straight too funny too funny body they're heading onto the turf course And have the odds moved at all. No Not really twenty five to one and thirty two one for the inside runners that violent speeding beedon flamingo bay. John's worts the four three is four to one wine at sunset. The cruel jacket Mike Schmidt six to one cosmic out girl Maltese. A couple of nine to two shots money spread out here. Five a horse I give up a Becker Palmer. I mean this this going to vegas doesn't this is a horse. That's been second. Four time had the worst marks of a play the right for yeah exactly right. I mean you don't WanNa bet this so you don't want them actually GonNa have golden gate the worst. I took stretch between now. Oh goodness well. I'm glad we flagged you down. Go back to the room one to five shot now in in in that Golden Gate Eighth. Now that's unfortunate. Wow Mandela Mandela. Sent the Horse Up to got horse up Golden Gate after. Take a look just on principle. That's GonNa try to beat. You gotTA wonder five and a three to two. So let's see what happens as they load them up going to Vegas now seven to five. And I know Steve I ran up real money on the four pocket cosmic cowgirl cosmic cowgirl or Rich and wind at sunset for John. Frank Mir Ahmadi giving the The contest the shout out participants this is a maiden claiming seventy five thousand dollar maidens going a mile in the grass Cubans This is Greg. Shout out for the Love Groove Leo Rich James Leo Fluorine Fluorine. Sima not sure. Who else is in that group of there? They're all able they do of course take you there you go. There's the there's there's the five of them there's the table there is the table. The leaderboard continues to roll. They're giving us a double uh a double look and they're promising a Breath update after After this as we just click past seven o'clock doc. This has been the fastest Friday yet and we thought with with some of the difficulties. It was going to be tough here we go. Let's listen to Frank Mira Monte. The second last mandatory day this out of the gate violent speed along inside is very prominent by give up also up close with cosmic cowgirl taking third there followed by three go racing inside all of you more is designed why that subset of the distant trailer is Turkish Angel. I turn it's violent speed in front by go into data for big obey the rail conflict cowgill between three one. Three of the kids that it's all if you talk to design when at sunset and the distance to Turkish Angel Jordan while Polston violence speed we there live from Vegas second I give up to their outside next the cowgirl two and a half ranks you decide it inside. Libya board is for the bill to war to sunset and Turkish Angel. This trend through you go into Vegas takes around the form germ violence speeds second this. It took tame seems to please the champion scare business. He seems designed was sensitive. It sets in completes the assuming well. There's a maiden breaker at took seven tries. And I I Jon. Your Mike Smith was standing up going onto the back stretch and didn't ask for a thing that was that was. I didn't get slow paced. Who there's no passing there? It didn't Jerry Jenny Reese they can Getting the getting a little little Kentucky Kentucky Anna going so sixty-five winner and the six four to one so no real You know modest takeover now steve power right and that gets us through the night nightcap and seem to remember you're GonNa Handicap again. John it's going to look back at it and it was nine six five eight and and three nine six five eight three the nightcap you money in Santa Anita so we've got to racist left to on the race day Dave Golden Gate's eighth and ninth haven't looked at the nine yet but three. What do we know that that we'll have a look right here? That's right 'cause that's it for Santa. So we're we're and then there were two you can use the last race as a four thousand dollar claim to eight horses. Signed up for that one would manager the two to one favorite Jonathan Walk so people will be trying to beat. Jonathan one needs to release the next one race. Eight coming up in ten minutes. I would imagine a lot of people's Day. We'll be wrapping with this Mandatory in Christian hellmers sitting at eight hundred eleven and everybody. Everybody needs to go blindly. Hit a number back spin the wheel. RANDOM NUMBER DOT ORG number one through you John. Thanks Nichols everybody One of our favorite people around the country when and We're doing our thing. And the two weeks we get to spend John so accommodating to the invasion of his of his private sanctuary Mary He Don Winfrey and Beat vestal they're up there by themselves and and Oh my Gosh Barest the the recording the recording numbers we are but say hi rich resnick. How're you actually grab that preppy grabbing the and here's Jay Jay French wonderful full experience? You have to talk about it. It's a much different experience than going to the track with your friends You have to be physical Shrink Pink Siren at Sire. This really and I hope we can get him next year. What the your your next next year? What's going on this year? You're in trouble radio. I'm hanging in there. Somewhere in the low sixties. I haven't seen well. That's that's that's not bad. That's nothing wrong with that shortly today. It's four dollars. Yeah so just sixty dollars now and I think the last where he said Golden Gate's pretty wide open the the nightcap not not the mandatory take this one Are you going to try to end mandatory. I was not gonNA play boys. Wow this is okay so this is a starter allowance. I have not looked at this rate. She had thought on the Thurber of sheets. It was a very close race is interesting at and let's you're my third graph the user of the day and talk a little bit about the. When did you when did you discover Jerry Jerry for Scary about thirty years. Twenty five years. I remember when she's written on small five by seven graph graph paper and when we went to Saratoga we would pick it up at the diner when the bus came in. That's so They knock the building down. The dog also swims with the Fisher House. What it it's gone and I think it's a it's a wonderful product? And she's become a he's become a friend and this is terrific. This is terrific. How did you qualify I won A feeder and then a qualifier one of the twenty seven dollars one hundred sixty five dollars and were in great horse racing stories it was a twelve race qualifier and in the last race was picking prey which I think is terrific and in the last race I had a twenty two to one shot. Just please don't ask me if I made a bet on it because I the answer is no I was twenty eight dollars behind the winner and then My wife is screaming out in Iowa. So that's great this as a small bucket list item for and of course in the Pan and the pick and pray that you you pick that horse in the last race you really liked it that was. I don't have that opportunity. Just reach for prices. That frustrates people in the live format prior people picking it just because they can do math. And that's that's the event they need can pray. You set your own line and you can't just take a stab. Yes I've read your book twice. Oh No that's awesome. Thank you and I listened to your father when I was asked. Where did you From Manhattan Bronx Broom. We're at McKinsey Manhattan. Which were dad was from his dad's family there? That's very cool. It's always great to get a chance to talk about him. And you know I always make joke when you when you were a fan Dan. You let me know you're a fan of my father immediately. Know three things about you. I'm old great musical taste of a certain age. No doubt no doubt very very cool. Well that's good to see everybody and keep doing good work. Rats are that's our obligation. It's our it's our mission and delighted that you get here and How much work have you done for tomorrow? Well I took a quick look at the mandatory my daughter and granddaughter flew in from La to be here and go out to dinner tonight. And I suspect I'll have my usual solid twenty three hours sleep and down here three thirty thirty tomorrow morning whatever. Hopefully the weather will be good for everybody. It can knock out what it looks. I have on fairgrounds grass racing. I spent a lot of time on them. Didn't that a nickel off the turf races. Everyone's in the same boat right absolutely absolutely thanks. That was great. Thanks rich resnick and one of one of Jerry's kids as I like because all of us that That are that are disciples of Jerry Brown always good to bring in that star graph after user perspective and served in pretty well today. That's not a bad spot to be in as we approach the today one obviously tons of work to do tomorrow but I would say you know if you can get a number close to that holding serve total. I'd be feeling pretty good about that. WE'VE GOTTA GET WE'VE GOTTA get What is going one on there? We go We gotta get hold of get Ahold of Michelle or or Keith. We gotta find out the leader of the inventors be willing to find out what about this. I don't know I do is. Hopefully I mean very very likely to be the leader at the end of day once Hopefully they'll be digging. Do they did. They do the booklet this year that we have a yes. But it's if you didn't like basic is because he didn't qualify insulate Gotcha goes through December. Okay well let's take a look and see I'll see if they can find about our our leaders while you go on the Well you go on the mission there's We've got three minutes to this last mandatory Golden Game here is the this is interesting. They player profiles. Yeah there's a ton of information this buck lately we. We're drawing live to find something interesting out here rich. Did you look at this golden gate forest to the favorite Horse interesting little bit. One was three tall. He's only two to one in the bedding right now. The other one is a little more price was the four it. It was really woke up with a huge huge race last time out as a million Bentley Norsk repeat every repeats outrages. She's actually got a pretty good shot from trouble before is eight to one right now. Drift out on that favorite out to three to five live and I would think this potentially get some people yelling especially in this favorite dozen fire some pleasing prices on the Lord some folks GonNa GonNa look to try to get back in this thing. Hurry as we approach our last mandatory race it appears that now being j benton qualified after after the deadline to put the book together because his name is not listed in there so no help from his book. The Miss Yeah we like Men and women of a mystery in this tournament. So we'll we'll get the skinny before too. Long Steve's off on a fact finding mission Somewhere I have have a somewhere I have a list of where people are sitting. That might offer a clue as well we we can go. We can go to the horse's mouth as it were but I'm pretty sure what happened in terms of building. That impressive leading total is must have had those quick fire cap horses thinking he must have had both of them so that was a good. Yeah that's the quickest way to get to the top Cap Cap Cap. Take a look here. one minute to post now at Golden Gate two races remain and oh we might have our man here we do. That was impressive. Steve Holly that was Halley Short. Got That so we were speculating. Albion as to how you built your big total did you have those quick fire cap horses. Interro what was that experience like coming up with those two and having that all happened within such a short period of time. Unbelievable unbelievable will it. Just put me in a position where I can manipulate. What do the rest of the way? Let's I can't let let's catch up up on on your background. It's your first time. Yes yeah did you qualify for qualified on horse players. I got really really hot in August. I I just started rolling after the four day and then just going from there and am I ended up getting bailed out with junior Alvarado in the last race Saratoga. Talking one day he had the news on the eleven hoist and he was seventy one and he got there for me and I walked over twenty people to get in amazing. Or are you a New York area. Guy New Hampshire. Oh New Hampshire very nice very nice and how long you been involved in racing. I've been since about two thousand one mile alkyl owns racehorses These take me rocking apart and definitely need to play the sport I love it. It's great unbelievable animals most they they're athletes. They really how how did you. How did you get pulled toward the contest side Well believe it or not. I watch I watch that show that it was first players actually came in from that and I said you know what I think I can do this and then I was talking to the life and I'm like I think you know if actually sleet devoted some time to this actually be pretty good because I worked three jobs so this is what is your profession. I work at Walmart at their a distribution center. I'M GONNA unload their I worked for my buddies cleaning company and Believe it or not I still deliver pizzas to this day. That's been there twenty three years so that's right. Where do you find time to play the horses with that schedule even or not? I put it all in before the pick and praying to pray realistically. That's amazing and you play a lot of the feeders and things like that Yeah I played most of them. MM-HMM for me. It's pretty much Friday Saturday. Sunday for me is the only time I really free chance but when overtime comes back at work you know what I mean I just put it in and go to work. I'm sure it's a blur but what do you remember about what you liked about those big price winners. You had today while I just love how they both sat awesome trips and and you know they. They came right growing needed him late and they just held on delay which is which is awesome for me handicapping methods and a tools computers algorithm name. Mary Kate and I just run through. Stop the rams. orbs words have a program that commercial staffer proprietary thing I got him through a buddy of mine who works pretty interesting and yeah hey gives me shots anyways keeps me in there and you know whatever happens tomorrow happens today and so in in some ways. You're basically you're basically just picking winners off of us. There isn't that too but I but in terms herbs of but in terms of the format as opposed to as opposed to playing. You know playing cash money how you know. How does the the wind place format format? He'll fit into your approach It's great because I know I have lied bombs. I just have to wait for him. You know what I mean. And that's one of those things. Thanks I I was sitting on lease it. I missed a horse earlier. Gulfstream four horse ended up winning dollars. Voice I just haven't got them. What did you hear this mandatory Three US I just think they had the had the trip he added ozone way. He's still can win. So I the three who had a little bit of trouble and a strip irrefutable myron older today three two one now. Nah then you can do four to five on the Mandela Klondike Creek. Gio Ponti a seven year old. Run down the one voice in fourteen. The one mad at money The Ray Bell Twelve to one shot. And then you've got Electoral that Alvian is taken to irrefutable. The Board is seven two one five stretch choline six is sixteen and the outsiders American thirty five to one as they're ready to go. Here's Matt Bittermann. Take your has a clear. Lead appears to be going beyond their ouster agreement with track tasted second the second lease recruitment and he's very again in the data from reading in the rear end of office. Leader sloughs things down the next link behind a bit closer that sick Zeeshan American prince third leader role going pretty right now green green as the seven runners. We're sick reading still bye-bye bad apple. Irrefutable again insisted re-instill showing the link Shuli Snack position. BURPING troop hits the Third America's neck. Listen recall seriously. You repeatedly trying to steal reclusive doing ninety ninety three take command on doing well even money with her. You could just hear the air go out of the room in the last. That's fifty yards there. When it became clear the chalk was going to get there? A lot of people had the longtime leader. You look good for second there. He just it didn't find well and and it's funny because Anthony. Georgie was sitting still. I mean he was. He didn't didn't. That's that's what I thought too swell glance here waiting these numbers you gotta you gotTa turn that air. We go little little committee. I'm the only one wearing a headset and Dinner was blaring through hundred. Seventy eight forty You'll you'll finish for the day and The the closest pursuer is twenty five dollars. Back that's John Bale who was the first the first leaderboard update of Of the day He was on top so he that he kind of floated down and floated back up so probably twenty dollar plus lead the going into Saturday. The perfect awesome. What will you have to change game plan for tomorrow? It'll be editing. Just pick winners and you seem very comfortable at the high end of the of the odds versatile obviously in the mandatory there at a a five to two shopping seems like your preferences to reach the longer while the funding is so my buddy is is that you know going through this I i. I'm very very restricted and contests races. This is the first time I've been able to just take playoffs in play. Would I want That's interesting so good point. Did you do anything special to prepare for. That applies valid six hours. After I sat on the tarmac for two hours took a six hour flights it ended up being eight hours as wired for sound when I got into now. It's just go back at it. I got so many races to look at you. Got To try and find what is logical for a priceless. What's your goal at this tournament? My goal is forget around two thirty ready for tomorrow but obviously we're we've done very very good so I put myself in positions firm all I would have loved to be here Sunday to play for Sunday. The man upstairs us we do that. Keep finding horses like you did today. You're going to be Withdraw and live to win the whole darn thing Melendez Coletta today take care of itself and move on tomorrow and just keep going. I love this is a tremendous restaurant. What's the rest of the night? Hold I think I know the answer. Yeah think it'll be merryman government governments leaving God speed man. Thank you for coming by. Welcome guys Albania. Benton tremendous best tomorrow. Cheers Buddy Golsby. How great is this and About as the media media's over that this is Chris Little more story yes it could be to go. You know a a real proper rapper force players horse player comes here. Gets the shot gets hot shoots to the lead. We'll see we'll see if we can keep it going like Chris little more it working three jobs mason. That's that was a real working man when these -cation yeah shots dot Gov awesome. That's great My friend Vince Stevedore Vince is asking. What's the day money I think the day money is ten thousand thousand? It's the BBC entry. Okay I think you get an entry so very likely. We don't a jinx the poor man and he could happen. I suppose in the last but he's looking very very. Are you good looking to get that day money about that. And he's got he's got them he's got jenny receives got the Frank A thanks recording and The press will be rooting very heavily for for for not a big upset. EXAC Jack exactly the deal being motion and then also have to interview somebody else it. Let's take a look at and we got a nice. We got a nice opening here here in our last. Probably half hour of coverage We Are we're GONNA hit it right at eight o'clock it looks like Let's scroll through and Hit some of the names and and see where things stand that obviously that mandatory is not going to move anything to know for the most part But the Albion Benton one seventy eight forty as I mentioned John Vail One fifty three twenty. John Fail a good story. uh-huh hot early hot late and one fifty three twenty there Brian Sullivan in third with one thirty four twenty trae styles. NHCD Hall of Famer fifteen plus qualifications for this event. I'm not sure what is best finishes but He's doing great today and thirty. Two Robert childress in fifth at one. Twenty six forty at Peter's Pantini from the Derby Trail Forum one twenty-one twenty best finish in a contest so far a second at the Breeders Cup betting challenge looking to better that here in this mythical money three day format seventh Robert Magneti one twenty sixty former champion. Ray Arsenault arsenault in eighth right now. One Seventeen Sixty Sean. o'malley in ninth at one Sixteen Melissa Margolis top rated female player at the moment. One fourteen eighteen sixty darren. I'm having trouble reading that name from this angle. Looks like spelled J. Guys Geilo or Gilo. One twelve forty Christian hellmers walking right bias. There known more for his live prowess but finished something like eleventh or twelfth. This event last year has got to be happy with one hundred and eleven twenty. He's got Michael Murphy and Lucky Thirteenth at one hundred ten George Bryant Fourteenth One zero eight forty William Holmes Fifteenth One. Oh seven forty todd far or open up their much of the day one oh six eighty Michael Otari co one. Oh six twenty. In Seventh Place John Fisher a very well known and well regarded regarded contest. Player dances all the dances one. Oh five sixty fisher. One of the many players looking for his signature win might get it here. Who knows James Morgan? We started out the day with two entries in the top ten keeps one of them in the top twenty by day's end here probably with one zero five forty. There's another name it just the the angle. Some of the letters others run together. And I don't want to put your somebody's name that you take one jerry philosophy rounds out the top twenty one hundred and five. Some names We talked earlier with John. Kosten John Sitting sitting nicely at twenty second out terrific to twenty Rick Broth last year's Katie winner. WHO's had a lot of high up results? He's keeneland winner in the past. Two One oh one sixty John Farrar one hundred twenty. Stephanie Davis with an even hundred Russell Weber also in that century club. There's here's Bill Schanberg Ninety seven twenty and The other Morgan entry and see their and thirty third. So he's he's in very good shape. John Don Nickles and we talked to ninety four twenty sitting now tied for thirty seven kind of push down a little bit from the fifteen the his highest the slot. Stanley Stanley babble issue did have a lead for a moment. Ninety two forty. He hasn't really moved since we talked to him. No but that's That's fine I think you know if you're ninety or higher here feel really good going into Going in today's to Blake Jesse we talked about earlier. Ninety one sixty trader Mike Denney. I didn't realize that one six genie was in my city. Ninety one sixty Bill Sherman. WHO said he'll talk to us tomorrow? I like it he was going to. He was take pass until tomorrow. Ninety one bucks. The the the the sibling rivalry could get interesting brother. Paul of course has three top ten finishes in the history of this event. He's a past tour winner of second. Nobody's got a resume like him. William Sherman Bill Sherman as we call them looking to another looking for that signature. Victory to move things along how `bout the scandals That of course. We're the point of contention the contest. Gillian queued via the beard. Rule for that appearance but has another entry apparently and doing quite well. Stephanie Davis Her Cousin I would imagine we set her name before as well. So team up there. Lee is here. I'll go you one of the most beloved figures in the contest world and a shout out that Frank Mir Ahmadi gave the Eddie Logan crew. Leo Did you know that was going to happen. Nor nor nor I didn't put doesn't surprise me the Franks He's a big supporter of all of this week. He is A true A true horse player at heart and definitely pays attention to all the things going on. What are the vibes? Like at the so-called Eddie Logan Table here at the treasurer tables in one's like a cemetery in action wasn't we actually really interesting wars. Were just talking about the war in front. He had regained. Hey but after that I mean. You're the hunt I mean. Not US guys shouldn't ten bucks right now tomorrow make the cut us it right Ya. Yeah the cut line looks like it's going to be at the theoretical cutline as of the end of today. Looks like about one eighty bucks eighty six eighty six right now season you look probably what percentage of the people in the room that play Golden Gate that they already wasted all there so That's what we were just talking about right now with with with the guys at the table is like you know anybody can anybody right now. There's nobody out of it right. Where is your ticket line on that? I'm not I'm not playing support is here. Yeah just here with the guys you know steak lobster. Every night. I get a funny story. Yeah about that. I've I've been listening to two big constantly pretty much every day. I don't Miss Because I get on the road. I got an hour drive to work every day so I try to get out about missed the first part and there's a guy that I like But that was years ago but it was. It was funny because when when he's talking about when he's here he it goes to del Rey and had been there a couple of times and then I should take my wife there and the last four five years we go there about thirty five times is a year so if you ever have a bad day where he reservation you can't get in. Just call me and I can get you can get you in. It is so so funny. You told me that story and then I met a couple I met a couple. It might have been here or no. It just may have been at Santa Anita Nita was at Santa Anita and they said you know we used to go to when we were kids when we were like a young dating couple apple we used to go to the Dow all the time and then for whatever reason we kind of moved in we were we were within range but we all of a sudden we didn't go for fifteen fifteen years and you started talking about the Dow Ray and we looked at each other one day and said why have we not gone back to the Dow and all this time and the same thing now. They say that they go almost twice a month now again. Yeah Yeah we don't we don't miss it. Was We started going back to my wife. Ordered the same something like the first two years and then she finally shake. She's she's finding she's right now. She's on the Chilean Sea. Bass right. That's that's the biggest. You'RE NOT GONNA get it if you're not going to get a pepper steak Chilean sea bass. I'm funny I should have gone to the Super Bowl party last Sunday. And I I'M GONNA kick myself that. I was in town for Super Bowl and actually I didn't think to call you my go-to guy was Richie Silverstein. Because he was dating. Yeah Yeah Yeah Right. Is he still. Data's yeah yeah she yeah I think so. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. So it's retired. He retired judge agents. Yeah the funniest other things you know you like fossil men's right. Yeah and I grew up like three blocks from there. I grew up from three blocks from there. Yeah there was a there was actually before you don't probably with the time you start going there. There was a liquor store on in the corner called Dornier's and that's you know I have about five things that got me into racing but when you walked in the door. He's as a kid. They had the winners. The Guy who had a owned a bunch don't you horses and he had the winner's circle pitchers and they were like I mean they were. They were like eleven by seventeen like those big black and white around the whole around the whole place itself so yeah so we go to Dorney and get soda and and we get the green sheet right and we get the green sheet so this is funny J. Privilege so we get the Green Jackie and then we would go. We're like eleven years old right then we would go to the park right and so we played in the summer. We'd play Football Basketball Football Baseball and then at five thirty we stop doing. Put a Horse Jockey on right. You take which you know what that is. That's that was a real race recreation show. That was popular back in the day. Jay Richards right. Who's still alive and they've got a really funny story about that so but So we would do. We would bet so we were. Betting is like eleven we were betty. So we've been ten cents we take returns and then I. I was always a clever when I was trying to pass post like I was trying to fight it out before I can win the money but it was so funny because in the sweet was funny as I've I have something big scores. Something I'll yellow horse and jockey or whatever like that right and so Mir Monte he One day after we're talking in a button horsing jockey comes up and so he clicky he gets his foldout right and he calls Jay Richards on the phone so Jay Richards is still still alive and kicking in town. Right Out Vegas. Yeah Yeah Yeah you gotTA. He's got an incredible story and he went from that that he went from there. Doing the horse and jockey came to Vegas Right. He did the when you went to the Racing sports book when he went through the racing sports book after after. You know. This is when they didn't have you know he had no video. No nothing you'd listen to the races and it was j richards calling the races. He did the regime town. Yeah Yeah so you know they jump from one track to another and it was all racist creations from the right absolutely. Why not guys up the guys up? The you know like the hotel across from Saturday. Getting the service right and he he run and tell Richardson I were friends. WHO shuttle human? He was my predecessor at the Las Vegas Review Journal. He worked there ten years going when I was doing or in writing the columns and the handicap turf right when he was going to retire and do the Hong Kong thing with the Hong Kong the Hong Kong. Hey the Capris I him and Rosser recommended to his bosses forced. That's all. I got the job at the Journal. which helps how it was funny? Because you know freight how how how how funny he is and he has. He has Jay. He'll do his call. Oh you know person jock powerful speech or you're not so we have a lot of fun. We have a good group of guys on lowering since to my right James Lee House there. We have guys coming in and out and or Katya who runs the place right. It sounds. It's a special place has a place as you know when they talk about like magical places like there's a lot of spores that happened in that place so it's tough for me leaving because of the product but of course you know we're we're loyal customers have weeded free time. We we we still. They're still showing up reporting the room. Where you support Sanam Leo? You're known as a player sharp handicap. But I think of you as one of your particular alert skill sets as the ability to write tickets and and construct. That's yeah so when you've played in this tournament before do you feel a little bit. You feel a little bit handy because you can't you don't have now. I'm not I'm not out of my comfort zone but my strength is I pick pick pick pick six multi. Take a waitress funny because I was thinking about what are they. I think Hawthorne does is anything where I know Jonathan. Yeah he had a sixty five today. Yes so I think that's my strength and so it doesn't define me as a player. I think Nick Paton on. I think it was telling you it's like you said you'll don't chase it you'll next here's another year so that's the way kind of looked at it right and then you came yesterday. I'm here with my friends We're having a good time and and You know it's the place to be. You set it man definitely definitely Kelly is and hopefully. We'll get you back playing in this next year. Yeah yeah it might start earlier. Maybe this year yeah all right. Great Cheers Leo. Leo of monitoring is one of the great players need any logan sweet and just a just a real a real positive person. Paul Yeah that. Follow him at polyester. Yeah he's contests player a cut. Come on the last New Year's just the last year brand new at it he's just these these absolutely torn it up. Yeah and UH UH came here came here with a chance. Don't know how he mentioned how he ended up today. Leo mentioned Dave Good for the the artist formerly known as maybe curious to get an update on him. Let's take a look at standings linked to see where he ended up tonight anti on August. We're talking about last year when he was playing for the bonus started off Chile. Chilly and ended up ended up in pretty good shape fifty three and Thirty eight okay. Well within a cap horse or ran away a lot of people look at it and I think at the end of the day you can say hey within a cap horse of the cut line on people will be happy with you know at the at the end of the day. They'll have to have a day tomorrow but why if not why not fall. Kush forty seven six taking the context where seven hundred entries if told you at the start of the day so you could finish eightieth. Yeah that's right because you're imposition. And the you know the real running in many ways starts tomorrow especially with the cancellations we had today. There's just of options available tomorrow with the better weather expected tomorrow. Moving Day here at the age. See the top sixty nine players will want want to compete in the semi final on Saturday on Sunday at about halfway through the day. Those sixty nine we'll get winnow to the final ten we'll go on to compete for the eight hundred thousand dollar first prize and the title of forced player of the year just about three million dollars a year on the line. It's going to get very serious. Tamara state well. And just you know not to not to Belabor some of the people that have struggled. But they're going down the list from from zero up and one of Roger's one of Roger's subpoenas do tickets has struck out and he needed. There was a price eyesores that he needed. That looked like it was going to get them going Then we look at some of the some of the smallest numbers. Joe Corey Right Joe Rogers Roger his other ticket five sixty Rogers Struggled today Carl Broberg. I see down there with seven forty seven with a bunch of horses and tomorrow. You'll wonder if you wonder if he thinks about the daily. I wouldn't but you know when you're so busy like he is i. It wouldn't shock me. Pete dresses joining us here. How did you do today my friend Pete did you Did you get off the off. The mark today extremely mediocre. uh-huh what does that mean to you. Fifty dollars nothing wrong with ash well within a CAP horse of Of being above the qualification cutline. What was your goal coming into the day? I wanted triple figures but I had some good prices that got third and that seemed to be coded quite a a theme for table. Does it change what you're looking to do tomorrow or do you come in with the same approach looking for that hundred and figure that might get you where you need to be Probably follow a lot of the cut. Line is kind of project some stuff out. I mean I just have to probably sounds somewhat obvious but just you're successful at at the choices that I have confidence in a couple of years ago you were the NHCD rookie of the year. How has the development bent for you as a contest player? You playing as often as you did that. Rookie year I I do. I play off and on online tournaments pretty busy guy and we don't have we don't have tracks like my home track in Saratoga. I live in Boston so Yeah I mean I enjoy it. It's a nice way to spend a weekend afternoon and night. You know my my son and so A. He's a man now he's twenty four years old right you know. We do our trainer together. Go to some football game things but that that's it. Where did you qualify this year? A couple of online tournaments. So you're you came here double-barreled. Yeah what's where's your second entry. Forty two okay so both in yeah in that range a lot worse offering you that makes me feel so you're not looking. Ah Damning with faint praise here. I didn't mean to do that to you. What's the plan for tonight? Going back to study or you're going out now have a nice meal I I've done most the cards of fortunately did not do act. They didn't waste any time on the smart and I will. I will do that. I will wait until tomorrow to see what's going on there. Looks like it's GonNa be okay just. FYI But yeah. Ah What the tracks doing regular fair enough Erin. I that that's a work in progress. I mean we're getting ready to load for the final final race of day one here at the NHCD The nightcap race number nine at Golden Gate fields Still a handful of people around. I imagine. Imagine they'll be some serious rooting going on here. You have any place left or you. You Rat Paul Paul Sirven. He touted some minor values values or competence level in in the big bomb. Here the two so I said you know I got one play left. Let's do it and you're not kidding. Thirty four to one which which is the longest shot on the board Eight to five favorite comes from Jonathan. One four thousand dollars flavors and eight to five. I've On the seven. Unusually Green unusual heat nine year old. There aren't that many unusual eats still running That's that's notable second choice. Wish right now. Five to two on the one blamed right with his main man Juan Hernandez The one horse color me happy a seven year old gelding five. Two two two nine two two on get like me. Sightsee Tamayo with Francisco Monroy aboard and then a six to one and shot the recipe. Six one is the five worse than the whigs up nine to one thirteen one on the three moonlight blue and twenty eight to one pocket prints that were rooting for Peter for cap horse. Capsule the two here we go win. Burley's GonNa go and snacks. The second and like eighty right outside of possible. dachshunds racing with on the wings of pocket grits the grave boards. The red was Thrill deal the one-sided pocket second land in unusually making their way towards the let them work on light blue him. He's on the outside. They open up links on on the links. Strides into third with Koch. Sabado made ape clear after breaking the outside closing score legs off the piece the blackjack gap to the rams racing with the eleven year old lock in rich in a pro scrambling to sixty five favorite has seven path and links to make the final mile color behind me. Light blue contentious turn color me happy in a light blue space of four on the wings of being sent back to the pod. Aw Brown at this point excreting asked by getting like need also leave grim filling Nakisa the woodland owners the rift grinding with Chris. Raillard the script cleaning leader. Kim depending the rim on the other be happy wondered should be activated second is usually green and occurred and they thank you everybody. which great night haven't I say? Get your work done. I and we'll come back. We'll talk to you tomorrow. You got another hat for Tamari wearing the same one. Of course he does of course he does the Great. Yeah I did finally by a hatbox for the for the topper. I couldn't I could've brought it but I'm recycling this one good stuff. Peter Jackson's who ever heard US talking about contests world Three four years ago and got involved in is one of the great One of the great stories that what are the really good stories absolutely seventy-two winter color me. Happy that is the Blaine right trainee with Juan Hernandez. Who of course blamed used and along the way with with his with his preakness horse last year Those days now escaping me my brains to Friday holy cow. It's in there somewhere but my brain fried but it sounded like a lot of people might have had that we're sup- almost surprisingly but I mean I guess if you're you're opposed to the favorite you come come up with a logical. You're you're nearing that sweet spot. It's actually smart just to grind. There's no reason to reach here at the end and should assure that we've this is great normally we'd We'd have to hang around a long time. Find the day one winter. We we did that already. We did do that. And nobody's going to leapfrog past Alvian in Benton and everybody out and a lot of smiles no matter what the scores are Justin in Moose starring. Guns he was reaching out to say hi and color me. Happy nine dollars in change so somebody will pick up. You know ten eleven points are GonNa come in very handy tomorrow this time tomorrow. It'll be chaos. They'll be all kinds of human drama people. Waiting people sweating ten cents in a place. Price is GonNa make the difference for somebody between getting to advance to day three and the not so consolation tournament which will be happening on Sunday as wow. That's a very good point. Six six or eight or ten dollars today. It means a lot because moving the day to take those dollars moving position and trying to get into that top sixty nine to earn the right to play on Sunday. It'll be a lot of that going on. Well we can ask you should not burden necessarily Obliged to wait for the the final update L.. Send out the link and send out some some snapshots of of the way the board finished up are being the Jimmy standings. Things are looking while says. He needs the Silky Sullivan. Finish for we'll see we'll see how it works. Though guy like Patti Daddy can get hot and get moving. There's somebody with zero who's GonNa make you know. So we should mention speaking of some lower scores Bring up the date date on team Matisse because Paul was sitting well down thirteen eighty not where he wanted to be for sure Duke with twenty seven twenty and twenty forty. Yeah I mean a little bit better and those guys never out of it you could see them adjusting and getting back into the fray for sure but but clearly not the day that they were looking for where Jonathan end well. We don't know yet because his last race but Jonathan Sixty four forty eight. He's going going into the end My goodness I just got kissed by somebody. S O Joe Scanty out. Nice this guy. I hope that wasn't like like you know after after everything that went on I. I hope that wasn't like you know Michael and make on freight Freida beat. You're broke my heart and I had nothing to do I. I report the news and I kept his name out of as much just five thirteen call at fourteen twenty which is which is really good. Good points that was actually. The worst was basically four to one. it was a tick away from four to one all the break out a little bit of a drift. There got to be happy with it and it will change some of this positioning being at some stage here though. Certainly not at the top of the leaderboard where Albion Benton is gonNa Punch ticket for the Breeders Cup betting challenge and look really good heading in today's today to here but of course you know lotteries tomorrow very early days and we're going to have to see what happens. Let's all right. That's all right. Yeah Yeah Noah James James and in the sixties. Let's get a couple of updates on some of the Defenders says some of the former winners Chris Little Moore's his high ticket eight sixty. It's not bad at all. That could be developing story tomorrow. What about some of the other champs we saw Steve wolfson making some noise? Seventy seventy one forty seventy one forty before that last race that the other new hall of Famer Rich Goodall playing this event the two thousand eight champion forty one twenty no no. I wouldn't mind being higher but not bad at all sally. Sally has struggled Sixteen forty seven sixty imbalanced professional player. Jim Chicago and sixty. They're they're all sort of you know just hanging around and they put some you know. Put some points It was Kinda first half a story right if any one of those people that you mentioned with those scores gets like one hundred fifty one hundred and seventy Mile Bang. They're right up there. They have their Albion Benton Day in in there and they're going to be looking looking good drawn. Live to make it to that final table trying to think who else who else should we What we check on the bonus baby? Here's what we're looking at one right there in the tour available for a huge bonus I think off the mat a little bit thirty five eighty so that he's got to feel good good about that given he was nowhere hour ago absolutely acid. That's good and then Brad Anderson was the other There's there's the Maven twenty and thirty eight forty Anderson the BBC winner who just walked by. He didn't look unhappy. I wonder if One of he hits something sixty eight eighty but oh thirty three twenty. It can't feel too bad about the sixty eight eighty. That's the one that he won yesterday at the last chance as a very very fun table able with the reigning champs. Scott Kohl's and Brad Anderson they each one in and where did Scott in eighty four eighty eighty four eighty four hundred. He's not have a bonus in this one eighty four eighty. He's gotTa feel excellent about that when I checked on him midday there wasn't much going on And Yeah and he he obviously put A little bit of movement in Let's see where Ray arsenault finishing up for any mental don. Lose some glasses of that one of the venting missing Zingani Glasses here. All the important stuff getting sorted out at the end of how are they going to read the handicapping. David is somebody who left early. Unfortunately for them you learn a lot of things when you punch these letters in A. R. S. gets US Scott Carson Marshal Graham and ray ourselves three of our friends so ray as we mentioned before it looks like he'll finish the day in the top ten or close one seventeen sixty Scott Carson sixty seven forty and Marshall grams. Thirty one sixty another another in that category of not where he wants to be but Couple of horses away from launching himself right back into the situation. Have we heard how John O'Neil's health is by the way no is Robert Ramirez playing in the tournament this year. He would know if we can find him. Yes yes one dollars. We'll find his table tomorrow. We'll get a John O'Neill update hopefully. Hopefully good news helps. One of the nicest men are just love him did we. I should AH NO JOSE. Arias aided qualify this year. Patty County's health is also some question not great and I betcha mentioned Jamie And let's see where he is ending up The way things are I thought I saw a decent seventy eight sixty. Okay yeah lots of former champs drawn life to make day three. That's terrific not not bad at the wall. Well a little less than a couple of minutes really. Don't say goodbye on this Friday evening. Almost eight o'clock back east and a have five o'clock here in California. There's I see Frank Sorenson sitting still and what's frank look APP. No he doesn't. It is not the captain captain. Frank Forty to sixty. That's not that he's not. They shouldn't be desperate rich gang. I gotTa thank you for a wonderful afternoon to noon. Yeah thank you for having me folks. I'll be back tomorrow accent schedule tomorrow. Steve same two o'clock to to the to thirty to thirty two to thirty the first mandatory is is that how is that is ten thirty Pacific Super League. They shifted this a little bit Wow we've does that mean we need to be on for it. I think we not not enough enough to be on for the first. They don't need to be on for that first one but that is trying to do the second one though That is well. You know what I I think. That is crazy early. But I'm glad I'm glad we showed up at two thirty would've been like hey to racists are done Dan. This is why it seems like they've taken a very specific composition of the race. Can't figure out what it would be. But maybe maybe I mean just randomly. Maybe it ended up. The fourth and fifth at Gulfstream were better contests type races than the stuff later in the car so the first mandatory about ten thirty Pacific Time Ten thirty is the first first mandatory that is really ever being the case before well and the last Dettori with golden gate is at four fifteen so you know about about where we were today but they really spread this out a five hour spread. Yeah that's borden that a serious it's going to be fast and furious action on a longer day than usual. Well I I think I think our ticket might be noon instead. Okay Hey that works. Just come in. We'll have we'll have an updated story but there's still all to play for. It's not like that's going to determine the course of things no not at all a and that there's an hour and a half between the second mandatory and the third this you know what's strange range about this is this is very different than the. Are you doing the charity thing I am. It's not the mandatory. The charity thing is no well no I. Pack does have it does have have the fourth and the fifth. There is one rate the OAK. They're not using the king cotton for the contest. They're using that maiden special way to Gulfstream instead. That's very strange. Should be mandatory is but but there was one that they that they swapped out that they swapped out So all right. So let's let's let's call it noon tomorrow. We'll or out along the same day it is. It's the same it'll be the same instead of instead instead of two to eight. It'll be noon to six basically noon to no not even noon eastern three two nine right. 'cause we know we'll we'll be done right. I'm sorry we'll be done by five o'clock Pacific time local so eight so it's so it's noon to eight. Yeah Eh long no no. It's not no it's three. It's the same five hours. Okay right because we're taking eastern three. So annoying I want rich. How are you the sorry guys? Take you take you to make the full adjustment moving from east to west. I felt comfortable after maybe a year. We're here at the beauty of it. Guys is when you're watching ball games on television because the three hour time difference we get to see everything out here it. It is great for sports yup three hours behind the world but great for sports. Well there you go. It's that's a wrap day one and we us the new leader board. I think not that I see any. I don't see any significant movement. I Man Rob Robbie Courtney Courtney right on the bubble right now. That's a story. I'm looking forward to following tomorrow. That's cooled there's marginal I think there's marginal change here. Ed Peters hit ED. Peters hit that last That last race I think to get up to eighth is that right. What was he he was? He was the top ten already was he the baby. Is that updated on this big screen. I this one looks updated. Well the this this update update. Yeah this updates just as quickly on them and Melissa on their Yes yes yeah. There's no it was eighth. There's no major major switches. 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#139 Birds of Prey & Harley Quinn

Krypton Report: The Supergirl Podcast

1:15:53 hr | 1 year ago

#139 Birds of Prey & Harley Quinn

"And several girl. This is Jason J. Louis the Voice of Superman on Justice League action while you're listening to the crypt listening to all things for Telnan podcasting including Superman and super. We discuss teams to find the facebook instagram youtube and twitter. Welcome to the Krypton. Report this episode. We're going to talk about the great and powerful Geneva. Let's talk about hi. Everybody we're GonNA talk about birds of prey about birds of prey and the fabulous emancipated at one. Harley Quinn over. We're talking about Harley Quinn. Birds OF PREY move. We're talking about. Is that the new title. They're going with Harley Quinn birds of prey. It's really clean for apparently apparently from what I've read today. It's not like they officially changed the title of the film to that. That's what they changed. The titles on the Marquees for search engine optimization is what they said that because Harley Quinn is the last thing in the title like it not the first thing that comes up when people go in in search for it so changing the search for Harley Quinn brings it brings it up I I would I went onto. Amc Today just to look and says Harley Yeah so I think when the movie comes out it's still going to be released would be official title birds of prey and fantabulous emancipation of one Harley. Quinn which is a cool title. But it's so long I mean it's just Kinda like nobody says Batman v Superman darn of justice honestly honestly dawn of Justice. Kind of sounds like a dumber like like more like. Yeah like just not as good of a punchy title being so long. It's not as as much of a punch title as this as birds of prey and the fantabulous emancipation of one Harley Quinn. Because it fits the movie. It's a I mean except for the fact that it's a Harley Quinn movie in the title birds of prey but it fits the film you know it tells part of the story that tells you a number of the characters that are going to be in it and the fact that it's narrated untold from Harley Point view than you know it kind of fits. It sounds like her as I mean. I'd almost prefer flipped it. And then like the emancipation of one Harley Quinn with birds of prey just because Okay Ka. Because the thing is this birds of begins. They're very much the start of this. This is their siege. This is them getting started and they kind of got roped into and got put together and I mean think about it like first of all. One of the missing girl wasn't even mentioned or nothing like hundred barely. There's a little something I mean. There's a little something there. There's a little something there when we get into talking about the movie as as ends. What how they if they were to ever move forward how they could introducing utilize bat girl or or Colour Barbara. It is a good place to to move forward very quick non spoiler reaction genus. You go Jim area accorded artists you say your non solar It was really fun. It was funny. He you know most of the The action was was really good. I am glad that they brought on eighty seven eleven the John Wick Stunt crew to to finish out the second unit action and stuff. The the cast was great. You know it was the the plot was pretty pretty straightforward Just you know what they used to bring everybody together To tie the whole story up and Yeah I I enjoyed it and I plan on going to see it again all right. So that is James. Pre movie talk discussion and then a quick post movie. Non Spoiler thought afterwards to here. We go now talk about the movie. Who's in three two one? All right to the movie is a Harlequin and I liked it. I enjoyed I. Didn't have high expectation. This is probably the lowest DC films. I've ever gone to see I didn't we have had investment as far as I enjoy margot. Obviously I didn't know what was going to get out of and I love you McGregor. So it's pretty pumped about that but I support my DC. So I was going say McGregor is definitely probably one of the highlights of the film for me to be honest with you. You would McGregor and Margot Robbie Harley Quinn they were definitely a draw I like Mary Elizabeth winstead ever. Since I've seen her in like Scott Pilgrim vs the world. She's Great. I remember so from sky. That's the first time I ever saw her. Who is she and Sky High? I haven't seen I haven't watched it in a long time. Scott Hi also thick seizures. Eight early Danielle. Pana Baker has a poison. Ivy Analog. Yes I'm trying to remember Cager but she was techno path. Oh is she the Villain Yup? Oh I forgot I forgot. That was her okay so since then that are cool movie and at one point in time supposed to develop it into a TV series but fell. Through which I've enjoyed. But Yeah I I. I love the movie. I had a great cast lead. But you know I'm not going to get into this. What is getting some hate and I just don't think it's deserved. No no my my biggest complaint engineering. I talked about this for as I. I want to make some more connective tissue to like suicide squad or all over this movie. It's in there a little bit but I just felt like. I don't know you could have had argus or wall like hunting Harley that she escaped like once the joker let her go like you had her being hunted by them. Walking around in the daylight free can Gotham owes. Maybe we could have saw some police corruption or something or the commissioners namedrop kind of cool if like Mcgregor blast black masks. Fair was like I saved your butt and you know help Heidi from August or something like that or cooled some strings line like that would have been kind of cool. Yeah like He. He helped and then he had her in a spot having she like saw his just another joker analogue or somebody. I think she said she said to dine about Harlequin needing a master and everything like she saw him as he was trying to be her new master. Put Him in honestly. The biggest problem for me was not having background. And then because Sandra King God do you WanNa do character breakdown or okay. We'll start with the least important pitcher of the movie. Cassandra CAIN Cruz. Basically Cassandra Cain in name alone exactly and They didn't even make a joke about her. Being foster care and say something like well. I guess you're an orphan. Kid I mean I was explaining to genucel last night. What like Cassandra? Cain is right now. And she's Yeah. That's not Eric so. I mean what she's she's completely different. You know Baidu kind of I mean. She's a foster kid so she is an orphan but they didn't say that they didn't say orphan specifically And then they do say that the kid has potential which you know could could easily be built upon properly in a sequel film or another movie with her in it That her you know her taking to fighting in training and things like so like better than anybody ever has you know what I mean. They they could make her. They could make her that type of Character moving forward But I mean to to have a character to basically. Would that have a character that would have been like this for the story that they use to have a character of such importance? Be a mute and stuff it would have probably I mean probably could have been played for plenty of laughs on Harley's point but it would have been hard to. It would have been hard to move some of the platform word if she didn't interact true but I just I mean they could have made her just a cute kid legacy different character. She didn't have to be CASSANDRA. Cain and that's kind of my thought process so all right so moving on next lease support cater. Victors as victor or Mr are huntress. Because they really don't get too much either one of them get too much Exploration bickers says he was I mean Christmas seat Chris Messina. He was in. He played the part really great He was manipulative. He was very manipulative of black mask. like being his closest his closest friend is closest confidante He was very manipulative of his of his attitude of his narcissistic personality. But I I do like the fact that he was covered in scars You know they really did. They showed that it would have been nice if maybe they would have showed him do that like after he killed the family. Thank you or something. I was about that just because the drive home. The scars and we saw him cut himself like three times. Gene PSYCHOTIC SNUS or yeah killed. The Dad. He could meet a scar. The MOM and disclosure could've showed his scars on his body earlier in the film they. They only show scars at in his last scene of the film. You see a few on his face or something but I mean he could have done it either like on his arms or something maybe pulled up his pant leg done something in you to seen more scars on his body and then when he opened up his shirt and he was like covered the way he was then it would have been more of a shock. But you've seen more like on his arms on his legs or something. I thought it was interesting. We didn't we didn't complete was always kind of need. I mean this is our third live action jazz. Our second being Gotham I really liked Zaza in Gotham. I thought he was like and I think this one actually kind of carried that over pretty well too. I found him sleazy image. Like just love here like it's already as should be easy so I mean the only thing he really cares about is his killing and mutilation like that's really the only focus he has so I think he. I think the guy definitely played up. The sleaze factor. I mean we'll get into it and we had the victors ass from Batman. Face of name Susan. Yeah trying to think of what you're talking about and like the third one third one or the first ones yeah. Batman begins. Victors as he was brought up by name. He had a few in the visible scars. But nothing major and Hort senior's. Yeah yeah I thought he was in the court scene. And then in the streets after Arkham after the Arkham breakout with us about it. Gotcha yes I remember that all right so moving on with the characters we'll go and we'll talk about hundreds which just from the promotional art like. I wasn't really digging hundred and the fact like I didn't know how she was going to be because there really wasn't much of a trailer but yes she gets short change but I really liked. Countries should have very dry sense of humor and kind of social awkwardness. Have kind of a yeah from being raised in that like monastery by assassins. I loved so like when she's like. Yeah I'm I'm not part of this. I'm done killed. I'm good you know. Crossbow killer hunters yeah. I loved her. I loved the line. She's delivering. Do you know who I am trying to get it right in the in the mirror dino who I am any time she said it cut to somebody she killed the crossbow killer who I am. Crossbow killer I did a good bit anyways young Zaza was one of the people that killed Bertinelli family. Those those kind of cooled connective tissue right. I think I think like a bit like like that. You know the Juneau who I am like her rehearsing that in front of the in front of the mirror and then and then cutting people calling her that you know because she doesn't have that name or anything out there something like that. It's it's just like it's just like how like Harley would tell the story of of the huntress you know what I mean. Can you believe? That's how she's let's how she's telling the story. Yeah I I liked huntress actually liked her. I wasn't sure I would feel about her costuming and everything but I thought it was really cool. It kind of Intro as to what I thought it was under like what SORTA LOOKING FOR DUDE. I mean it. Also when she was kind of forget. And you're like okay. Yeah it makes sense like what her costume. Some reminded me of that eighties nineties. Workout world. Say. He will wearing a plastic trash bag around. You thank the sweatsuits. Yeah I liked. I like kind of like the first time you saw her was during the grievances. Chase scene by Harley and who she is question marks grievances question mark. Jackson says something was innocent that we got to see the young Helena and then the whole like okay so this is kind of a plot thing but did you not think maybe the like were you confused but where did the Burton live and go like. I thought that it was in that car. And that's why they gave it to Helena but yet somehow black mask attractive. Found the burt. That just kind of didn't make sense to me diamond. Yeah that's kind of Something I needed. I need to check out when I When I watched it again is where. Where did the diamond go? 'cause I mean I don't assume that like the family has the diamond on them. You know I would assume that the diamond is probably in storage in safekeeping or something Because Helena she didn't have the Diamond Brian. Oh but but Roman had been looking for the diamond you know perhaps perhaps Bertinelli family was killed prematurely before the diamond could be Acquired you know so I need to see if I need to watch it again and see if there are any other hints as to where it may have been all these years. Because that's not something I can. I mean it. It is the macguffin that brings the entire cast together. You know what the bad guys are looking for. It's why you know It's why the fame part of why the family was killed by hunters is there for her revenge Y Casas there. Why harleys they're looking for cast. Why Montoya's looking for CASS and the fact that Dinah is friends with casts. They live in the same building. And you know. She knows that she stole the diamond from Za`z so I mean it's kind of that's the central. That's the macguffin that brings everybody together. So the net Montoya. I really didn't have a problem. Rosie Perez is the last thing and probably the only other thing I've I've seen. Rosie Perez was Pineapple Express Tech. I forgot about her in that. So I mean I thought it was Kinda cool like the choice of doing an order Montoya just like because she draw the line about Diana's mom so that's kind of just some meat like tissue explorer light the story of what this universe has to offer. Yeah it was a nice hint to since we only got to see the Canary cry. Once it was a nice hint to That they that Gotham PD has worked with vigilantes in the past that there are. Meta humans exists that exists in the world in Gotham Because she was the only one with abilities in the film So this Montoya's Kinda like the Montoya that got stuck in the police station. That never like became the question you know or becomes the question much later in life will they do have the the the line about her needing codenames so they do kind of say that pre to go You could certainly see an old. You could certainly see an older detective kind of doing the conspiracy theory. Kind of thing Maybe in her office in per se a sequel or something like In the headquarters. She's the one who's got the board with all the pins and string running from here there and everywhere I mean you could even do something as cool as she decides like as her persona in this team she's going to pick up from VIC savage. You know if we if we have that kind of idea that we had Dinah Drake before you have already had vic savage before as the question and Montana decided to kind of continue that legacy or something right. It's easy to write but I didn't mind. I like the idea of like against her. Gives her weight and our care about being a detective. Who's older? Who Kinda got screwed out of her career and makes it makes sense in this storyline honestly and did you recognize who the captain was. I recognize him. I couldn't I couldn't place him. I was thinking about that. Supernatural supernatural out afterwards. It dawned on me later because I know that thing. That's trying to figure it out too and I forgot to ask you about it because I know you know these things usually. So but yeah. I'm usually pretty good at that. But Yeah I guess so. Yes she and her character was good. You know. I like the way Harley. Called her Her so that she watched too many Nineteen eighties COP movies She used all the she used a bunch of of cop cliches and stuff And you know I think it I think it partially comes from the fact that these characters are viewed from Harley's point of view. So you know. They're they're even exaggerated too from being who they are you know. So she's exaggerated like that She's an old time detective She's got a bit of a drinking problem because she's drunk half the time on screen So consider -tective listen to this podcast you'll never but so we'll keep moving up. I think the next drew be dynamites. Say because it gets James had side conversations with Brian about run this down with Dinah Drake is the first black canary and changes her name comes Dinah Lance then later she has a daughter Dinah Laurel Lance and that's that's not even getting into the way Arrow just like chopped up and like made multiple right. Yeah 'cause like season one you meet Dinah Lance their mom you meet Sarah you meet Laurel and season five four. He me dining date. Yeah another dynamic you know. So it's like okay. They really liked the black near. I've never had before so it's like how do you have? Somebody's kitchen kitchen nightmares. I decide besides the song and besides Allison Wonderland cat. I had never heard the name Dinah for person sense true. That's what do you ever on the street. No but it gets confusing because all the comic stuff like you know which which black canary was with green arrow. Which wasn't Blah Blah Blah? So it's just interesting to point out so we kind of get that kind of retirement because this is Dina lands. So we can kind of assume that this is Dinah Laurel Lance and that it was her mom Dina that had been worked with the police in the past. But I will say I went into this like we've talked about this but even I even hate them. You'd have to say this. I didn't care that they made her African American. I thought it was awesome. Honestly doesn't even really register on my radar and that's why I say I feel. I hate that we have to address certain stuff because some people like Blah Blah Blah. Really the reason why I thought it was awesome because I really loved the actress. I thought she did a fantastic job. I like her style. I like the way they made her look like she just. She was sharp looking character. The mix like a hard punk rock ish with like a seventy soul. Yes that's what. She was a journey. Small was great. I really enjoyed her black canary her. And I like as little as she got. I liked everything that she was given to do like what she did. And I really. I really like this but I wanNA see moreover I wanna see more with like even the even the few. Hold my tongue on that. Who say the scenes that we get with her and hunters you fill chemistry in a bond that I would like to see explored and then number two Roman Eunice high? I would like to talk about black canary a little bit. Sorry you're check now jury smaller. She did amazing She's probably she's definitely top. Three favorite characters of the film with Harley Roman and Dina the top three in the film by Far Her I'm pretty sure that was actually her singing For that song it is so her voice is amazing was she is on. Itunes as the song with her name next to the she's God. She's Gorgeous. Her style was awesome You know her All of outfits. She wore her fighting her fighting style. Her action scenes in alleyway The the fighting In the in the Amusement Mile booby-trap seen the hair tie was funny her chemistry with hunters and Harley. You know her disgust with Za`z during their time. Just yeah amazing. And then when she did the Canary cry at the end is kind of a big thing for you. Know dropped the hint early on when Montoya approached her and then she kind of build her up. You know what you need to do and like she'd been like suppressing it so when she finally did it you know it knocked out but it was. Yeah she was great and I definitely want. Yeah it was. It was an earned a moment and I definitely want to see her I definitely want to see her again as Dinah Lance over Gela as Ellison's illustrate this is late. We have words as we go so Roman sonus black mask character that I will admit I've only really ever experienced through Catches you kind of see around. But mainly my exposure to him was mainly the Red Hood Film. Which was voiced by Gary Cole? Who was the corrupt guy and Rosie Perez partner in Pineapple Express funny bringing it back? Pineapple Express and then of course he was in the Arkham Series Games And then one of my good friends dressed as plaque Mascara Batman themed Halloween party. You know so. I didn't know what to expect from this character and I think McGregor found a take on. This character fit well with the tone of this film. That kind of makes a little bit more different than what a joker or other type of just random crime boss is I think he he balanced the cree penis and the humor very well and the brutality. Black mask is known for being brutal. He wasn't afraid to be brutal towards people I will. I saw him personally. Get his hands dirty little bit more But that's counter. Small complete is a character thing that he normally gets his hands dirty. I mean he has before no he has before but he is a boss. So he kinda actually. Yeah he has. People do is dirty work for him but he's known for being he's known for being brutal when he does get his hands dirty like like. He will assault his people just just because he's angry. See much character either Other than what I've really seen from the From the Games. But I don't know I. I really dug his interpretation of it. I- I dug the fact that like. He's a little office rocker and it shows. Of course you had McGregor. He's an amazing actor and could go from zero to one hundred in two seconds you know and I love that about the character as well. It's kind of like a almost like a bipolar thing And I found that really fascinating as just somebody. Who's watching the film It kind of drew you into the character a little bit more that I feel like just a plain old mob boss would for lack of a better term because I feel like that mob boss mentality can be very like I don't know you know it's like a a thing that you can see in just about any movie so to have some kind of a different take on him. I like that he was almost. Ocd about certain things and he got creeped out by like the Macabre. I think that was Kinda cool to showed like this lighter side The character that I didn't even realize was a thing and I don't know if that is the thing in the comics anywhere but But I just I found that really interesting and like I said it just Kinda stopped me into the movie and into the character even more I find it really funny. Like the one seen were Where Dina comes in to his his his his home and he's she's looking around like Alva masks and everything and he like Marvel's over this pygmy head. I'm just GonNa Little Nuggets of like dark humor With this character and I just find that really kind of rushing to be honest so I I enjoyed that scene. Specifically I've I've heard criticisms about his his weird weirdness during that during the scenes in his in his home. The mask in the heads and things like that like I actually thought like that made him that made him. I don't know what's Word I'm looking for. Ya like I enjoyed his. I enjoyed the weirdness. I enjoyed how he was kind of off. You know So I don't I don't have any criticisms with that scene like I I liked. I liked how he had the masks and the artwork and You know the yeah the oil heads and stuff like I thought it made him. I thought it made him like a crazy eccentric and I liked that about it once. Seen that I I love him. I love the scene for two four K. season at the club. He's upset looks over that girls laughing she laughing at me and he goes over and basically like what's the word boys gets steamed up on the table. He manipulates her. What I liked about it is. It's creepy creepy uncomfortable and the other thing that I like is the movies radar and had this been directed by say David Snyder. You know that when he said removed for dress shoes naked underneath but because is directed by a woman she actually had underwear and I liked that. It was refreshing honestly. It was a little more believable to yeah. It was definitely. The scene was definitely Definitely made you uncomfortable watching and it's probably one of the you know. It's one of the scenes that gives them cause for the for the R. Rating. Even though like the movie barely crossed the line for our rating. But you know just just his just. His narcissistic personality is Ego. You know somebody laughing like he didn't even he didn't even listen to the fact that you know she was laughing at a joke that her boyfriend or whatever had told her he was just he was all upset and everything was everything was about him. Even when it's not exactly Lisa's with is that all the characters so we must won. Miss Bruce Okay. How as little sad? There's only one ally about we should get you another a friend for you. Know or something and she named Him Bruce. Honestly can I put in here real quick? Like when he when like her place blew up. I thought for sure that they were going to be bringing into others like after that. Like heap e died in the explosion and this is really routine. Cut Man gloves so I wouldn't be. Yeah I'm glad that he made it. I wouldn't be surprised if when she shows up again if she does have to. And you know I forget the names that they are in the comics. But I would not be bud and Lou. Yeah I would not be surprised if she gets a second one. And it's bruce an Tim. Dude Yeah Tim I'll be like it. Just sounds right or or his birthday was yesterday. Wasn't were so. I'm not sure as long as you know it it. Would you know it'd be really awesome to kind of throw back to one of her creators having Bruce Tim As her heinous? And you know I don't know figuring out a story wise. What his name is Tim. But you know the name. Obviously they put him Bruce because she thinks Bruce Wayne is a honk so his name was already. Tim is like the sound of Bruce Him. Right Bruce and Tim but seven. She looks at the camera and winks and she did. Y- that brings us to Harley Harley. I think was the character that go on in this league just excited to see but everyone else was new. You know her going in. We had we kind of had an idea of what to expect and I think she did. I want to say I'd say she did better from what she hadn't suicide squad in Suicide Squad. She had a little bit more In in range wise in just like some of the scenes suicide squad that were in the extended edition. Which is the only edition. I recommend you watch that James and I will be re watching for record here in the future that like. When she drops the Harley and goes into like the Har- Lean Persona Margot goes back and forth back really really well and really easily in this and I felt she. She did it in suicide squad but in this when she had to really do. I like she knew her character. She knew what she was doing and she was fun. She had a great line a great time. She was enjoyable to watch. So I think this really was true to the characters far as you know keeping up with I mean in comic books thinking about her. Not that old compared you you know. You're up against Batman and superman who were eighty shoes created in ninety two. She's not even thirty years old yet. So she's probably had like one of the largest growth if not the biggest growth in the character and like biggest influence in the shortest. Ma'am time I am. I know you said you don't want to get into like other people's opinions on this or like people bashing it but I found that interesting earlier. I was reading some kind of feed on facebook and it was under a an article that talked about a this being a big bust basically in the theaters and this one person this dude gets on there. And he's like yeah he's like. I don't understand why we have a film that centered around Harley Quinn. When she's a character that can't even hold her own Without the joker I was just like I think the reason why this this movie can stand on. Its own two feet is because of Margot Robbie. Let's let's be honest. I mean I think that she just delivers the character. The way that we really WanNa see it and honestly from a female perspective it. It's kind of very like off and kind of dark way. It's kind of for For us to see like such a cool. Kick Butts Email Onscreen like that and I pointed this out to Geneva wasn't last week Was Superman. Nineteen where he walks into the holiday. S.'s. There's all the heroes but Harley sitting there so they've tried to work her. Intellect is anti hero role where she's walking weird line and I think this film does a little bit better job. I feel like suicides was a much darker. Harley and a lot of that was cut out in editing like they tweets things in post Gotcha got remember to. She's responsible for the death of Robin Wright. We don't know what her role was. And if she was responsible for the death of Robin and this Harley affiliate started kind of like did the Roller Derby and they tried to get into a lot. More of what harleys been up to more recent comments And I think the damage a good job of making this kind of like Amalgam Harley Janina we're talking about how like one thing with Comic Book Films James. You and I've talked about this with show. I hate when they don't have their costumes and like this version of the current harleys where she's also it's like she has her costume on all the time. So you can kinda get away with her. Not Having a Harley costume on she's kind of always interior right. Yeah in this movie. She didn't like if like in suicide squad. Kind of had like like a costume on. It almost seemed like day day close but this is really more like day. Close what she would wear day in and day out With her wild fashion sense but You know in this one like just the course of the film. It's not like all right suit up. Were were doing this. You know what I mean. Kinda just Kinda just happens in evolves like they don't they don't have a costume change sequence or anything like that which is. Kinda funny journey smaller like. When did she have time to win? Did she have time for a change? She changes into her skates honestly. It was kind of refreshing that it was like over sexualizing either even though it was an r rating they could've envelope in particular The they didn't at any point in time with her and I. I'm very appreciative of that. it was just like. I said super refreshing especially with her character after the over sexualization suicide squad. Exactly exactly they took it to that next level with suicide squad. And in some instances in the movie but With this you know obviously once again you know you have some. It's it's an excuse me It's kind of it's. It's a growth for the character. You know 'cause back in suicide squad She's she's with the joker She's in a dark place and she's she she's being controlled and then now now she's out of that and she's empowering herself to become her own person you know and and she's going down a different path than the joker so You know being being used by the joker For whatever he needs which you know we know in suicide squad like the original Cut there was There was abuse whether physical and emotional abuse whereas in what they released it. Was You know jokers like love? Sick puppy So you know the character. She would be used by him. As as a sexual object for people to look at for a distraction for his own yet for his own play for his own Necessities and then just be cast aside right so That's kind of the life that she was living at that time and now you know she can. She can be somebody different. She doesn't have to be doesn't have to be sexualizing if she doesn't want to be right. It's just see that change. I like yeah very good for the character. Yes okay so. Let's talk about some scenes. Who really liked to see where Harley was getting her high in and the guy was going to be a creeper and so she fed the guy. you know. I laughed a win. I laughed when she when the Hyena was eating his leg S. Soon as he said we accept payment in kind in that sleazy voice bet sleazy. Look I said you were going to be dead. And then the next senior king eaten by the you know. She's just chilling areas really one of the grievances bed brother to Hyena. I like the the scene of her. Getting rid of Romans driver. Oh my gosh it was. That was funny to. You should not go that I was saying the bar or on the street either one. Oh that was great. How she on the street so I do. WanNa talk rules secondly to stunt work now we do know that one brothers and soon to be legendary director but legendary stunt choreographer chats to Helsinki to help to shoot pickup re-shoots and work on the action scenes. And I think it pays off like beautifully so good because they really find that Connecticut Energy to With the fighting I told you he is like in. The comics. Harley went to college on a gymnastics scholarship so I really think the utilized like a fighting style utilized gymnastics moves. I'm just going to say this after watching that film. I looked at Tyler as we were walking out of the movie theater and I was like This makes me want to get off the couch and learn how to fight because we'll exciting to Jesus. It's my new job is going to be a fighter but there's nothing wrong with being a massage therapist by day in an intimate fighter by Nice. I'm studying with this guy. Ted Ted Grant during the daytime. I heal people during the nighttime I hurt people Yeah the The choreography the fighting is the fighting was really great You don't I mean it's really grounded but it still comic book world so you know the physics are not gonNa work like the real world and when people complain about that. I'm like you or just a moron like dumbest thing. We're GONNA fly into space in the next film racing somebody right. He's GonNa hit Nelson launched from the earth. I know right. It's going to and I'll and I'll watch the crap out of it said all along and now that one of others has worked in a directing capacities Chad's Husky. He needs to drink night wing. I think Oh for sure style would be beautiful for nightline. I sure we'll see that the day that I pass on to heaven and some of the top and and the top stunt people and and Yeah it would be. That would be fantastic night. That would that would probably be more brutal than the Wayne Than the Martha Rescue Warehouse Scene. You think I assume so. So the are reading. Do you really feel like we need to really add to this film or was it a marketing gamble. That may have caused problems for them. I mean caffeine and Margot Robbie. They wanted to make R. Rated Girl Gang Film and they did I mean. Do I think the movie needed to be rated R. for the content in in it? Now I would. I would let my kids watch this movie because it's it's just stylized violence which they can see on any cartoon and then. I mean it's language you know. My kids are ten and eleven. They're going to learn it very soon. The I already know they know it. So the second R. rated sequencing. Okay we have the cutting of the face which is which is a an edge in in post. Yeah have the leg of the gun you have. Okay okay her breaking the guy's leg with the bat now. That one was like. Oh my God. Yes and then trying to think Siamese blowing up that may be an he did kind of blow into pieces So I mean I say that because if you're going to make an art k utilize your but also I think about the character of Harley and the market. She appeals to so many teenage girls. That are you hindering yourself by making people who might want to see your fell a little harder to actually pay your film. But they're gonNA find a way to see it but you're going to make money off of for them seeing it. I mean you know all all they do is make sure the person buying the ticket is over eighteen and nowadays you don't even have to buy them at the stand you buy them online and somebody goes in and punches in a code and they get their tickets in walk in. It's not like teenagers can't go see a rated R. Film these days if they wanted to just kind of depends. I've been in theaters. I mean I was working at the movie theater part-time when it chapter one came out from kids out that we were finding. They were underage. So it kind of depends on your theater and stuff a okay example. Bbs PG thirteen but the extended cut is an easy R. Rating. A has two bombs been athletes but some violence and blood and I think you could have done something similar with this. Where you had your. Pg Thirteen in like your extended unrated cut. Maybe you had some words button seats but I mean I am sad because I really wish this movie would have opened with. Harley joker breaking up you know we do see the jokers green hair. It'd be re do the scene of her and the F. Asset who you know and then so that's one connected tissue to suicide squad too when she mentioned the thing in her neck when she saved the world and then she sees she runs down the whole story yet. She runs down the whole story of of suicide squad. The history of her character and then the old story involving suicide squad and then the light bridge in between so I mean and we know we're going to see her again and it kills me that at one point in time there was like three different. Harley movies that were being developed. I would've I would've loved to see the quote Unquote Joker Harley Mad. Love movie that you could still do. That would take place after suicide squad before this film. Yeah and I say just bring Leto back. Let him retool. The jokes like led him combinator. Change it up a little bit. People are behaviors on not liking. His suicide squad. Well I mean there's one thing that we can't deny is the fact that jared Leto is a good actor like Austin Houston any of his other work any of his other work. It's like this dude. Connect and part of it. I mean look at you and McGregor. Kay He was in the Star Wars prequels. A lot of people hate it. But he's a great actor and some people say he did a bad performance. Doing with director was telling in a lot of that same thing with Jerry. Let's joker here is doing with the director. Wanted for this kid. They were interpreting together under a different guys. Like I would love to see. That'd be really cool. Then but he was. He was given seven and a half minutes of screen time. And that's in the extended cut with the added footage of of him in there that wasn't in the theatrical cut so the fact that people are making such a huge deal about his personification of the character is pretty ridiculous because they didn't even get the character all they got was the few which you could which you could give to the joker once in a while With his with his erratic personality there would be times when he would quote Unquote Love Harley. And other times where he wouldn't even notice that she's there or that she's been missing for a year So you know they could show that one point in time so the only thing that they have a real gripe about with is the look so okay. Whatever like you don't like the look but you can't make a justification you can't make a judgement on performance when you got six minutes worth of screen time and seven and a half with the extended cut which most of the people who are complaining never even watched the extended cut to see some more of this Some more of his performance. So I WANNA I wanNA see Amac I would love to see Some more of him Mike he was. He was the psychopath joker like I think that he would put. I think that he would put everything that all of the other jokers have done onscreen whether like Jerome on. Gotham the wild stuff that he did and and all the other stuff that have been done in the films. I think the psychopath leto joker some of the stuff he would do. If he actually had some screen time would make you cringe and put some other. You know while crazy things that other jokers have done to Shane. A you know what I mean. Yeah Jimmy will always be a champion for a letter. Joker I will. I will once again. I don't think he had enough time to relieve develop such a complex character You know I don't know I I just. I think that the joker is just so multi thinking but Bay. Just got rid of all of it. You know yeah yeah. I mean he starts piecing together stuff from all the scenes over cut. Yeah I have and I mean that to me before we looked at it together but yeah. It's just like there's so much you're just like wow like. He developed this character to do nothing. But that's I just think he we needed and we know that there was a scene that was filmed for this movie that figures featured some sort of representation of that Juncker characters parley getting kicked out and it's out there somewhere. Maybe we'll see extended edition the awesome a deleted scene extend addition or something like that I mean they do. It is the same. It's the same Harley so it's the same joker from suicide squad. They were going to use his footage from suicide squad but they decided against actually putting him in the film You do see a version of the joker from behind and it has the same style. Same hair slicked back and everything But it's just really quick. Some people are even speculating that the animation at the beginning because the animation of parley and the joker are more classic Comic Book. They're like oh they're already doing away with jared leto joker by making this this comic Book Accurate. Looking Joker in this animation. While it's like there was not that. Co Margot Robbie never portrayed that comic book accurate Harley Quinn except for that one shot that mirrored the Alex Ross Tuxedo joker and Harley Quinn. Like that's it so you know. Margot Robbie personified that version of Harley Quinn either so like it was a stylized animation just to you know just to give you the lowdown on her character Really fast from literally conception to the time she became Harley Quinn her to once you talked about this earlier like she's telling the story she's narrating all of this so it's almost kind of like we're looking inside of her head like she sees it as a cartoon animation. I just thought that was kind of cool. Yeah I definitely want sequel to this movie. I think it where Harley tricks the birds and goes off with the diamond. And she has cassandra weather. And I think diners car we see here. Dina and huntress fighting and more comic book style ethics and I thought that Dinas blue crushed velvet with the fish net arms looked. Great Hunters is mask was awesome tracks. Her tracksuit was horrendous. But but I mean the sequel right there writes itself the birds of prey versus the Gotham city. Sirens Harley goes off and meets up a Poison Ivy. In there we go. That's that's what we have and that's and that's where we get Gotham city sirens. What's off into birds of prey film? Where okay so. Now that we're there I think that so we've got like this early edition of birds of prey we've got Montoya and Montoya and Huntress and Canary Together If we get the introduced introduction of Oracle She's like okay now. Like you guys have been doing this. You've been doing a decent job. But she learned from the best. Now we take it to the next level. You guys get the proper equipment to do the job you guys get the proper training to do the job. You know what I mean. And that's how you introduce Barbara into birds of prey as it is. Now we're game for writing the CRAVERS Lake right here. James Reduce the ideas we can do. This would be great and I think that's I don't even think I mean you could do that but I don't. I'm not even sure if you even need Gotham city sirens versus birds of prey. I think if that birds of PREY WENT ONE WAY. Gotham city sirens. Goes another way. You have harley she needs poison ivy introduced cat woman. And then you bring back. Jared leto joker and then Harley Quinn is torn between wanting to go back with her Putin or stay with her friends. Stay with the Gotham city sirens. I do the birds of prey there to just because I feel like in the past. You would wanNA space out that. But it's like anymore like you're never. You never guaranteed your sequel. So if you have an idea of the movie should put it in to make the best film you can and like Viz me show that this is how you do more of a girl. Power Girl Gang film Talked about this like compared to how just kind of like Blad ghostbusters reboot remake. Be Thing was I mean this one. I had no problem. That was all women again. I didn't feel like they forced like it's all women. Only women can be in this movie. Only women can do stuff. I never got that vibe felt felt from it I just. I never felt them. Yeah like I've ever heard the misogyny argument that that it's you know making l. all men misogynous. I'm like I I mean you know the AD. There's a lot of bad guys that they're around but I didn't feel like it was like. Oh all men are misogynist pigs you know girl power all the way. I did not get that I was in the fee. I went and saw the movie alone and I was sitting there and I never felt like. Oh my God. I'm you know horrible because I'm a dude. Like her visit by that logic. Music that every woman and other movies like some sort of sex slave like this brings us to our end of our discussion. We could probably keep going on slate genius tired. I'm tired Psalms. Still Awake Somehow Now this movie is out injured what I'm going to give up and call the DC you. I'm done fighting the battle. They tried to tell me those films and all the stuff. They've yet to be able to do that so I was going to go with something better. I officially turned it on my card. Now they're doing these spin off movies like joker whereas de Connector that get really confusing. So James we'll start with you favorite favorite gives you ranking of the DC films okay. Let me let me get back to that here. So while I'm going back to that you know. Box Office wise So this movie. May this movie costs about eighty four million dollars to make and Actually farther back in the conversation. The movie cost eighty eighty four million dollars to make and worldwide. It made like eighty one million dollars this weekend so nearly in its opening weekend. This movie made its budget back so I mean there's nothing to complain about now like calling it a disaster and calling it a flop like Ford versus Ferrari cost more to make and made like two million dollars less. And you know like Oh. It's it's amazing it's fantastic. This made more money. Was the number one movie in the world and it's a disaster. It's a flop like it's that's that's double standards. If you ever heard one like all the articles I've seen like you guys are just clicked. Baked crap like number one movie in the world for the weekend just because it didn't open to a hundred and fifty million dollar box office one hundred million dollar box office Like it. It didn't cost that much to make per standards. It didn't cost that much to make. And ideally as long as it you know clears enough money it's GONNA be profitable. Sham costs more to make. And if this makes Suzanne money it's it's profitable you know and so But my so might DC EU rankings is one is man of steel to Bam Inverse Superman. Three is wonder woman. Four aquaman five `schisms six birds of prey seven suicide squad and he is just a sleek Three is pretty much most of the time. Always there But three four and five can switch On any given day. And you know maybe six can jump up in contention for foreign five at some point so birds of prey. Can you know hop up into four or five depending on the day because it was really good? It was fun and I enjoyed it and I will Revisit it once in a while I would like to watch suicide squad and this back to back and then after the suicide squad comes out To Watch all three of them back to back and just kind of see that progression of Margot Robie as Harley Quinn. I like how it's nice sequel. It's a site I haven't listened to. There's yet so I was like yes. Can you read off yours okay? My is completely different. Whatever you wanted to say so number one for me as wonder woman. to is awful man Threes Justice League for is birds of prey. Five she's am six is made of steel seven and eight a suicide squad. Yeah I honestly My one two and three a lot of it has and for a lot of it has to do with They're just fun movies. I just really. I really enjoyed them. You know Yeah yeah our rankings are are are owned entertainment. You know the the amount of entertainment that each film gives us. What what we prefer. It's you know it's not the technical aspects of the film if that were the case they would probably be in a different order. But but you know it's how much you enjoy each film and and how often that you would revisit so you would revisit your Films more often than you would revisit your lower ones. I'll still watch justice league. I will not not watch any movie on this list. Right agree I will always. I will rewatch any movie on this list. At any given time. Just Justice League being what it is and and what it should have been. And there's you know there's going on with that 'cause you can say a lot of movies should have been this. You know what I mean. But there's a big difference when it comes to what Justice League should have been because Justice League was already filmed and made to be something else and then they turned it into this. You know so when people say like birds of prey this movie when they say this movie should have been something else. They didn't make this movie something else and then change it. They made this movie the way they want it to make it. So there's a big difference in what you expect a movie to be. What movie what you think a movie should be and what a movie turns out to be. Justice League is very different because it was made to be something else in the studio reshot so much and retooled and re edited the movie to be something completely different and I feel a similar because of a suicide squad that was such as the same boat. Exactly that's that's exactly why it's my number eight you know. I'm just it was. It was disappointing to me. That's why I'm going to jump in here with mine. Because it falls discussion ministerials number two number three four zero one. Five six is Bertha pray seven is suicide squad eight is justice leaked can the bottom to basically imma changeable but they are basically because of what you just said Justice League. We know all that we've talked about him. Ad nauseam length. Suicide Squad yourself at the last minute as a reaction to be so we don't even know what we were looking at before it was released in theaters. And you can tell some chain like the way and we talked about this in our really weird commentary. They'll never be released because it's extremely hard to follow because of technical difficulties about just the editing the pacing changes in that movie Bambi su-man extended edition. I love it. I mean it's not perfect. There's things I wish. We were a little bit different. But it's a really solid film. I wish you know we can get into that. Ministerial is is great. Zam is sadly like the one on here. I've seen the least but it's just a fun movie. Where recently revisited like I just? There's a lot of heart that I love in that movie. A lot of fun to that movie wonder woman. An optimum flipped depending on the time and the birds of prey fun but if I watched it once so it's very hard to really feel how I feel about a film I've seen at least two times more because sometimes you come away with that. You're hyped. You loved it you enjoy when you watch the annual but yeah those are play version play by play birds. I think you downloaded the wrong movie. There Tyler all right. That's what we're going to cut it off because it's getting late so James. Thanks for joining US Julia so great to have you back in here. Your Voice. Yeah thank you so much for having me guys talking to you Return Phil. Listen to just to hear you back on everybody.

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Part 1: Jay Privman

"Sirius Xm ports presents with Steve Horseracing horseracing handicapping interviews. This is who will stupid in a very good Friday eclipse award winners Sirius. Xm To a one sport so nine sixty four. You're listening to service. Xm online at our website as well Steve Dot Com and last night at the hardware distributed twenty. One thousand nine hundred off gets put on it. We'll do a little bit fairly quickly. Here when Jay Friedman joins US and summarizes last night's activities and vote totals and there wasn't really any shockers per se in fact everything I think I think by most people's estimation Went as expected There were a couple of votes that I thought would would be closer in some cases than they were and then there were some that were they. Were some overwhelming winners winners. That were a little bit more of a landslide than than they probably should have been. So we'll get the best that this he's got the long history of of tracking racking the event and obviously the night belonged to team bricks and mortar. And Seth Clarkson and Chad obviously terrific night with As well as bricks and mortar. But Seth Clarkson meant this was a long time coming one of the most respected voices when you hear him in his industry in on Wall Street and in finance and in the investing and his annual season ending letter to investors one of the most coveted and anticipated communications In that field or any other and it was nice to see seth out front. They're getting a wide acknowledgement from the industry for his long service to the game and as he called. Aw bricks and mortar once in a lifetime type horse and experience that carried him to this to for this particular feting last night and he he won't expand imagine much on what he said last night when he took the owner title and and he had pretty much saved any he knew obviously he was going to or expected that he would be up on the stage a few times with bricks and mortar and the horse of the year and the turf life. But it was it was the owner opportunity where he spoke candidly and basically basically exhorting the industry to come together and find common ground toward yeah. That was a little bit a future that we can all be proud of and embrace and I sense with just really hours hours for people to absorb this and see and read what set Clark had to say I kind of get the feeling it could be a rallying cry I. I don't know if seth is going to lead us over the hill personally But certainly his comments were well received and I was very replays. You've heard me talk for several years about Seth Carmen being deserving of this distinction and it was the perfect perfect storm with horse trainer writer Rat Ortiz. And the were also carrying George Strawbridge to an honor. I didn't particularly embrace strawbridge as the breeder This year but if for him it is also a bit of a career acknowledgement college moment and he certainly has bred countless nice horses over the year and a lot of them of course campaigning under his green and white Augusta and colors So George Strawbridge Also so as Jay hinted a overwhelming clean clean sweep for bricks and mortar will let Jay do a lot of the other coverage cafes big night the Roth family Getting the opportunity. The hauling brought with Mottola Vino. Rosso outpolling Matola for the dirt mail in a kind of a distinction toward the the route. Goer it's funny to route. Goer was was crowned when it came to the older dirt male but the sprinter was not discounted when it came to three year old filly. So it's always interesting and we'll let you do it in the meantime we'll also have to fold in the events of yesterday that unfolded after we got off the air and as we were on the air the word came that spun to run had developed. Hives lives and was going to have to be looked to have to be scratched from Pegasus. Well then later word game that Richard Mandella and team sense that there was. I love recapping having an issue. And that came after the routine Gallup that it came off the track thought everything was going great and then they said that there was an issue and share enough. The starting of with you. There's Something that Could turn into a fracture or something that you know could have easily under full stress. Could've turned into a bigger problem and so- Omaha beach comes out of Pegasus leaving okay. Ten horse field. And you know I saw lots of chatter. How well this makes for a better betting race now? There were people that were very much against Omaha beach. which would have you would have dragged the course a lot of you know as a heavy favorite favorite would have taken a lot of money with him? So we'll still have to figure this out and we'll do it With Mike Welsh and with Marty. McGee James Scully Get Jay's opinion of course When he joins us after the first break and it's an opening day at oaklawn one is well asking everybody going to be talking to? WE'RE GONNA be talking to hammer in our to we'll talk to you. Sure scalise got some thoughts. Maybe about Smarty Jones. We'll talk to Mary. Ramp Eleni In the third hour as well and so J. J. Skull James scully Marty McGee Hammer. I I'm waiting to hear from neck. I'M GOING TO PROBABLY TRY TO SLIP NICK in at some point. Point Jeff Siegel with the Santa Anita. Look at and a Mike and Mary so there you go. There's your lineup on this nice weekend and I just put together the pick five The OAKLAWN pick five today. Pick four the sequence with the Smarty Jones as has the feature. But there's also a couple of very good allowance races on either end of it and The maiden special which is really a slowish group group. It seems this some talent in that six the race but it hasn't really manifested itself yet. solidly so a little bit of a murky taste scenario in there. It Nice pick five and pick for today at OAKLAWN and Talked to hammer last night. They're talking fifty degrees and a nice day. Perfect way to start the season they'll it'll be a capacity throng filling up Oakland and really An exciting. It's always exciting. Exciting to get things going hot springs and we'll be checking in on a on a regular basis so that's pretty much a Pretty much covers the the top line. And you know what Casey on the board case. Why don't we get Jay without a break Because things will stack up today so get Jay in here. Now and we'll we'll just get started rather than eat up Two and a half three minutes getting out and then come back Sam Houston can't forget either when Mary joins us not only. Will we talk Oakland but WanNa look ahead to Sunday. Haven't done a lot of you know serious handicapping but The Grade Three Houston Ladies Classic. Three hundred thousand and seren getty empress. Who was an IT? Also Ray also ran a course in the In the three year old filly category she gets her season started. Lady Apple Steve. Asmussen Milady Kirwin for Brad Cox Streep banned for Larry Jones and Out I spin. Who Dallas Stuart Sense and Brendon? Walsh as got Sarah Cosa So feel the sex six in the ladies. Classic the John Connolly got a Nice Group of twelve for the rated stake of the season at Sam Houston and lots of other stakes action. They've got a wonderful card so we'll talk to Mary the at the end of the show right. Now we'll start out with Jay PRIMM though and j back at fresh this morning after a very busy day with the Pegasus late breaking news items starting hurting with spun to run then parlaying into the huge disappointment involved with Omaha beach and then a full evening of activities at the eclipse awards. J. Good morning how are you. I'm good and The boy they kept you busy for a good fourteen hours yesterday. It was Pretty Hectic Day And then into the evening last night You know unfortunate that the most of what I with dealing with yesterday was Frustrating kinds of developments regarding horses in the Pegasus But could sort of comes with the territory Like you said it was just disappointing regarding spun to run and and Ma beach but you know the correct decisions were obviously mostly being made in regards to the welfare of boats and Now we're down to ten in the Pegasus as of right now. That's well and you know the the hive Condition involving spun underrun than you could really sense Guerrero just You know heartsick He adores this horse and Mandela. Then I mean that was was the one that kind of came out of left field seeings how everything was all systems go go go. And then all of sudden wasn't obviously he's a horse who's had hiccups during his career Large and small OB- so you can go back to. When he had the quarter crack coming out of his maiden win which caused him to not go to the Gotham which caused him to go to Arkansas and where the division the rebel and go on from that to the you know the Arkansas Derby and then his you know three days before the Kentucky Derby withdrawn with the needing an entrapped surpa gladys surgery? And then come back plan for del Mar delayed by another minor hiccup and gets back to the races and it has three raises last fall to victories in the second and then you remember a couple of weeks ago he had a little cruise issue down here while training but was the timing of. That was fortuitous. This in terms of being able to correct it and be ready to go on and train and I watch them train yesterday morning and I defy anybody to watch the way he galloped and go like. There's something wrong with that. Got Back to the barn and unfortunately they noticed that there was. It's a just a little bit of inflammation in that right hind. And the x rays were ordered and sent off to Larry Bramlett and Kentucky in he said according to Mandel I spoke to yesterday and then I went and had a visit with them at the barn this morning. I'll give you a quick update on that but They said that the they can't say for sure that there's the fracture there but the image shows that there might be the beginning of one and you just. There's just no other decision to be made once you see something like that You know it's in the right hind and you don't you don't train or race when you know that there's the beginning of or there's the potential of the beginning of of fracture so there was really no other decision to be made And Mandela always exercise. You know the best horsemanship possible Throughout the years Unfortunately for him. He's had heartbreak like this in the past not only the Kentucky Derby earlier with Omaha Beach. But you might remember. You know the Breeders Cup that keen with beholder having to withdraw from the classic that year because of A throat issue you leading up to to that race and other things but you know that's why you think about a guy like Richard Mandella You know name the last time you saw a horse his taken off the race track You know in a horse. Ambulance doesn't have 'cause he's he's terrific and he's a great horseman and then you know like once again did the right thing here. Well it and I I was. I was anxious to ask you one question question Jane you kind of you kind of introduced the foreshadowed. A little bit This topic there was was all this teeth. GNASHING and hand wringing about him leaving the stage after this race and going to Stud and Oh my God. I didn't what would what did you think about what we're going to have missed and it. This conclusion leaves you with kind of you. Oh you know what the horse that that had plenty of interruptions and you know I I think people are. Ah You know trying to anoint. Something that may or may not have been there. I mean he is what he is and his career is what it is. Yeah I mean you you just never know what you want because it just seemed like he was getting better as time went on his. Malibu was obviously a terrific race. We saw that he had great promised back in the spring the last year he was the favorite for the Kentucky. Derby and you see the Kinda foresee is in terms of trains and pedigree and you you could envision him getting potentially better this year. But you know you don't know and you know you you just you. You don't know what what would have transpired So that's you just have to deal with the reality of the situation. And unfortunately his career is going to his ended and it lasted ten races with three three grade. One wins and now we'll go off studies mentioning a couple of seconds ago that I had gone to the track this morning to visit with Mandela in Omaha beaches still there. Obviously he's GonNa go to Kentucky on Monday which was the plan all along anyway And he'll go to spendthrift farm than Ned. toffee of SPENDTHRIFTS is out there. This morning morning I talked to him and he said the once they get him there. They'll do further evaluation take a new sex race if what's they saw initially actually it's gotten worse if it's the same And then they'll make a plan as to how How go forward towards the breeding season? 'cause they can't really they hope to be able to start them on time but obviously his health comes first and they need to just make sure that everything back there is is not Getting worse and is not going to compromise his health when he starts breeding exactly so well a a an unusual. The circumstances before the ceremonies started last night and and I'm sure that that backdrop As well as some other news stories Jay. I'm sure was part of the cocktail hour. Conversation Sation Before the award started I couldn't tell you I was so buried with work yesterday. I didn't have time to get there in time to get good and liquor up before before the cocktail hour to get done and get get get cleaned up and get over there. Just got there and I'm for for dinner and then get on the show dinner and British show. Well let's let's talk about the show and then we'll circle back and get if you've got a pre packaged post scratch Pegasus. Thought the for a play. We'll get we'll get that work then but let's talk about what transpired last night and you really I thought foreshadowed you know the The major story line when you talk about The you know the four connection sweep or the five connections sweep and that's actually how it turned out just looking looking at how a lot of people post their votes ahead of time so you can sort of get a feel for where things might be going and obviously bricks and mortar was going to be mailed turf champion. It was obvious the issue is going to be a horse of the year You Go back to for instance the NTR a poll that they do you know he beat Matali forty two in the in the last poll all that they do Right after the Breeders Cup For instance so was obviously he was gonNA win. You Know Chad Brown and Arado tease. Boats had terrific years. Tourism led their respective brethren in terms of person. Earning You know Steph. Clermont is and his partner in bricks and Mortar William Warren and sit been knocking on the door. I think for potential eclipse award for for owner and they also led the earnings table so it seemed like like they were GonNa win the One person connected to the horse and I wasn't sure if he was gonNA Prevail willing to the you know not knowing if voters were going to go for quality over quantity was your strawbridge. But when he won he was announced breeder. Well the sweep is on. I'm here because I just. It just seemed like everything else was going to fall into place So when he was announced as the winner earlier in the evening I looked like it was going and a happen. And as I've written in the story previewing the night that if it did happen and as I wrote in the story falling up when it did happen this is only the second in time that in the forty nine years that there's been eclipse awards that the Horse of the year and all the human connections swept their categories the only other previous. CBS Time was in one thousand. Nine hundred eighty one for John Henry. With trainer Ron McNally and Jockey Bill Shoemaker it's Cetera so that's That was the UH that was the result of last night. Expand a little further on on some of the categories. And then we'll talk about maybe some of the vote totals or you can leave it in Because it's always one of the interesting elements and I mentioned opening the show and just touching on what transpired last night. as twenty nineteen gets packed up and put away it. It was surprising that some of the categories that thought that I thought would be very competitive to be if not landslides exceedingly dingley decisive and and I I sense that you know that as well as you were going through the Tallis. Yeah like you said for several renew. It was going to be an overwhelming victory for bricks and mortar for horse of the year or and and certainly for male turf since the totally was going to be the male sprinter and Kaffee was GonNa Win Female Sprinter. I mean those were pretty obvious But then others were like well. I wonder which way does might go and I thought the female turf category was really a jump off between got stormy and voters are not allowed to split their vote out and vote fifty fifty but to me the the campaigns and the accomplishments of those two phillies were the same and it was just a coin. Flip which way you would go. Obviously the Breeders Cup carry the most weight so when he won I was surprised it was a long way back to sister. Charlie and second and much further back for me to be third I mean I don't have a problem with whom he winning to me. It should've been neither her got stormy I was just shocked. That was a storm was a distant third in the voting. 'cause that she was the the next alternative in that division and the other one that I just didn't really know which way it was gonna go see and it turned out to be among the horse. Voting was the closest one was older. olders are male and the Roseau beat the totally by twenty one votes. One twenty nine to one eight in that category but that figured to be close I mean they had. They both were deserving and they had completely different kinds of campaigns in terms of the type of businesses that that they were in so they never ran against each each other. So you were kind of having to compare apples and oranges there And then he goes maybe two year old male which was not a strong category. And I think just I think the voters actually in my opinion. They did the right thing. They the champion race of that. Division is the breeders up and in the absence of anything else standing out out. That's who should win and it was stormed the court but he won pretty decisively. A hundred and forty seven votes to struck door. The runner up with with fifty one. They won by nearly a hundred votes in that category. I the one thing they wanNA. Juxtapose Vino Ross owes does polling over mottola in in dirt male and. That's obviously a nod to the Breeders Cup classic and the weight that it carries and I I think as as I voiced when I laid out my ballot that we knew Mottola was GonNa win the Sprint Championship. And I I I if I see that there's an opportunity to to honor you know a horse that had a word the campaign in in a category. I'm happy to do it. And and so I went. Vino Rosso over mentally for dirt mail and yet when it came to Kafi and Johnny Zanthosyn I had this discussion discussion it was interesting. How dominant kaffee ended up being in the three year old filly category despite also knowing that she was going going to be the the female sprint champion? And you know personally I thought Sarah Getty empress concrete rose and Goran. You know we're all they all had very notable campaigns if you wanted to take that back but kaffee just Pretty much trounced The the young staffers don't she won the three year old. Filly title with one hundred and eighty nine votes. VIRATA was a distant second with nineteen. So like you said it was a it was a trouncing Bob hope there. So I'm a the alternative. Is the older male category in this one. It was just you know cafes Overall record even though she was not a horse around two turns was Was a judge to be superior to her competition. Competition in that category around him out You mentioned storm the cord and British Idiom Brad Cox with two who with not with Yeah with two but recap area yes exactly with British idiom so yeah big night for him and the Asmus and of course when it comes to both Matola and midnight be Su Jeff Bloom accepting You know the Ross were up there twice and Who else are we including you got Brown for brick and mortar? So he had he had to divisional winners. And obviously Steph. Clermont was up there accepting for not only bricks and mortar but but when he won for as part of the Partnership Winston NC With the with the chasing title as okay cavs Kimura and. That was the one vote I'd like to have had back. I have. I missed a I. SWUNG MISSED CAST Kimura. That was a pretty sweet speech to I think he won. He won a Lotta hearts hearts and minds with that. Except it's great. You could tell you the written down. He wanted to say they refrained from playing them off the stage it was. I thought that was really nice to see and those are did we miss anything. That's That's pretty much it Vinnie Viola On you know for three old male another one that was pretty lopsided result. I mean th two hundred seventeen to two hundred. The most more than the runner of Omaha beach with code of honor. Third in that category I thought maybe code of honor might have deserved a slightly better than support. It's mostly panel repeating the previous up. Yeah agreed uh well Jay Favor having a little phone issue with you in terms of reception that little bit of electronic interference. I don't know if there's I haven't done a thing different since we started the call so I don't know that's just that's just the connection that's just the reception. They've just a little. You know that sort of tinny occasional channel garbling so just tapping you know you never know some thoughts about the one thing. I wouldn't wouldn't mind you riffing onto set Clark receiving appropriate Kudos and an acknowledgement for a pointed and Very well received exhortation for the industry to come together for the good of its future. Yeah I think it means a lot more when you hear it from him than what you hear it from some of the people who've been entrusted with overseeing things and perhaps contributed to the state that we're in right now so I think you know when you hear it from him as opposed couple of other people who made attempts at similar types of speeches carries a lot more way You know he's incredibly brilliant person And he obviously has a great passion. The Sport and I thought everything you said was completely on point service. This is always the The moment that we As I say every year. The scene from raiders of the lost Ark where they crated up they create up twenty nineteen and and put it up on the shelf John Say exactly and Ajay. How are we going to bet this? I saw where you wrote What the scratches mean Betting tomorrow in the Pegasus. Well I'm not now because You know what I wanted to do was higher power and I liked him before the two scratches because I thought he had a very big chance to win and I thought he'd be value. Oh you mean he's of no value now. Don't be no worse than the second choice and I think he's GonNa actually end up being favorite and I thought he was a win candidate canidate even with the other horses in there I I love the way he's trained. I think he's a pop class. I thought his breeding classic was not a bad effort at all. obviously Specific classic was the best performance. He's he's thrown in so far but just based on the way trained acted Santa needed needed knowing what he's capable of doing just thought he was every bit as good as anybody else in the race. If not more and I thought his price was going to be in the five to one rangers though before the scratches so my enthusiasm for wagering on the races in greatly tempered. Well Jay We appreciate The live early look and The you know the ready at the ready performance yesterday when it came to the fast breaking news and we'll start to transition to derby watch coming in coming weeks six. We'll be putting on after this weekend. That's and of course Next week I'm sure you're doing some advance scouting when it comes to Tis the law and what we're going to see from the holy bull next week but I will see you in. I don't know I'll see you in person for next Friday today but I'll be at Santa Anita and we're going to get ready for the Louis Next week yes definitely the racist Saturday outstanding. J. Ribbon Everybody D. R. F. Friedman and your eclipse wrap up as well as the latest news from Pegasus and. Hold your breath for another thirty thirty hours. Let's see if we can. Is it too late for magic one to the move back to the the potentially the dirt. I think it is but I think you'd actually no doubt though doubts Jay. Thanks a lot. Jay Berman. Everybody let's take our first break. We'll come back James scully. You'll get in and we'll do some camping and we're going to swing around to Marty in our two as well Marty McGee back at the Gulfstream for the first full report on on that card tomorrow as well as Mike Welsh in our three about eleven twenty will get to To Mike Nick Camera. I got confirmation from Neck Hill. Maybe look at the jazz and maybe give you a couple of opinions on the Pegasus slate as as well. So we'll start to do some of our series handicapping. Also I mentioned I think I mentioned yesterday David Snyder Neider From Orange County California wins the NHCD tour and we're going to ask them about coming on Janis. Let's let's do it at at Vegas. So we'll have David Frum bally's but congratulations to him and everybody that competed on the tour. Were and everybody. That is getting a seat for an H C Through their point totals. We'll have to get that list as As well starting to get excited about getting Vegas the week from Tuesday California starting next Thursday as they Thursday Friday Monday Tuesday broadcast from Santa Anita over the next ten twelve days back after this though James Scully we start to do some Kentucky Derby Report reporting. We'll get his Lecompte recap his smarty Jones thoughts and whatever else he is looking at for the weekend at the races weekend review. Stay with us. Talk with Steve on Sirius. Xm radio the home at the tracker on the go express bed is your way to play. 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Maybe maybe we all have another year. I remember you call me in talking about I'll put up early piece on Estimated odds or so the Derby career soft and so yeah. We've been talking for nearly a decade about and probably longer than that Steve. Yeah I told you at the time. And I've repeated many sometimes What a great resource it is and You know your opinion carries plenty await let's Let's tap up into it and start with some recapping from the LECOMTE and Interesting and I think I think the Lecompte tempt when you juxtapose it with today's event with the Smarty Jones. There's there's some commonality yeah and I mean one thing about that race. The perfect example of you know these three year olds run it at two and show some foreign but then they get Some time off over the winter a couple of months and can really take afforded to grow in the frame and mature developing. I think enforceable did just that his last start in the Kentucky Jockey Club. He he was to. It was way away far back. He he came running late belatedly but was it wasn't a serious factor in fourth and even before that when he was third to Max deal about he put it in a nice move on the far turn one but then sort of lost his momentum in the final sixteenth of a mile without finished by Governor Morris or second so I thought it was a a huge move forward from the sense that just really a visually impressive of movie launches. He doesn't get really good going until about mid way on the far turn of Com. He writes in eleven doing during the early early stages. And then just you know just rallied Past the entire field to strike the front by midstretch carried his momentum to the wire encouraging aging effort to just keep building upon obviously a cult that has all the pedigree in the world being by tap in and out of just whistle dixie. He's already produced no heyman and New Year's Day Really Brad and a horse that you know you look at him with the topic. I mentioned this in my report. He's had three winters of the Belmont stakes but really never made a big impact with his offspring and the Kentucky Derby so far I sort of had the thought that enforceable could be another late. Doc Developing Height but He didn't look like that in the calm. He's looks like he's Could be a series three or go and Ford any any any performances further back in the chart. That are forgivable. Yeah well you know I thought the Shaw shake me up I you know I I you know he was a little bit of a forest coming in there. didn't really fire I don't think he can be a perhaps a series Derby horse is but I wouldn't be surprised to see him run better in his next race now in terms of the Derby though I did come away. Very encouraged by the runner up silver state unlike enforceable well He was racing back with him towards the back of the pack and he didn't have that Brilliant turn of foot off of the far turn enforceable SORTA had negotiated his way a out of traffic but when he got clear late he really finish for run. He's a hard spun coal with all this stuff pedigree on the bottom side and you know we. I can't even set after work. Do you think this is really good. And it was a good race to get started with so I come away with in terms of the Derby purse with the top to do the others in the field. Still have something to show You know to to prove that they're going to belong going forward. What's what's your take on the non stakes runners from last week They Dow on Sunday and of course blackberry wine. Whose whose whose name shows up very prominently on this card today at Oaklawn and the three year old events that are involved here maiden race in the stakes race race blackberry wine kind of jumps off the page? Frankly when looking at the. PP's yeah yeah. Blackberry wine definitely Does he's in I think In like race number six today they're gonNA paramount's think races at oaklawn into sense With is coming out of No not defend. Maybe may have many of the wrong race but I did like his race and look like digital was gonna run right by in the stretch. She was the favourite of blackberry wine. That Doug in Really determine lead to win going away Violin Gotshall at ninety five verse feed writing for that effort hurt You know he's headed to qualifier next time for Joe Sharp of of you know really solid performance. That doll obviously was was was pretty. Awesome to watch which You know there's a cult that has A ton of stamina and his female family but also obviously been blessed with speed broken. Step slow spotted couple of wins out of the gate and just fed right up the rail to take the lead and and one really strong I thought late by a couple of land and so Very encouraging debut for Bob Baffert and no surprise that he took some early early future. Money for the Kentucky Derby off that effort. When's the next? What are we have next week right? We have Derby futures next week I think so. Yeah I think so well tool to yeah yeah. 'cause we got a big weekend ahead with Three prep six Saturday. Let's turn our attention to the weekend action and I'm sure you've looked at some stakes exit Gulfstream but let's start at oaklawn and talk about the Smarty Jones and the blackberry wine reference. Assad is the shad well runner for Dante. Eddie pilots The two that sixth race a horse that has kept Nice Company and has hit some boards and racked up twenty thousand dollars in earnings earnings. But it's still a maiden and and is going to be a horse that is probably the the mild Horse to beat in in a very quirky group the sixth race. And then when we turn our attention to the Smarty Jones James it's shared sense the maiden for Brad Cox of the Godolphin home-bred Bread Street sense out of collective all. He's been beaten by is blackberry wind. Lynn's map and silver prospector. He is a maiden that's very attractive. Twelve to one at least to me. Oh absolutely and it's GonNa be really interesting to see what odd shared sense opens up APP because irreverence those. There's a pair of Mount Sixteenth main races on the undercard today but Cox could've easily run showed center there but you know I i. I'm thinking that they're of the belief that he's the real deal You know just a horse that needed some experience. Perhaps there's like more like an adolescent last this year at H.. Two he's gone down. There says a pro bowl at work you know but training forwardly according to reports in a real x factor in this race today day Silver prospectors horse. Feed off that Kentucky Jockey Club. I will say this about him. I wonder if that slop moved him up a little bit from assert place effort in the street sense with the birth speed rating the ninety and ninety two and his last two races no separation between him and his main rivals. The hoisted coarsened intrigued me. That's GONNA be my top pick though in the Smarty Jones Steve is a silver prospects are stable may go straight and this is a co by street. Boss is out of a Pegasus mayor half sister over. Thinking was running in Mount half greater states keeneland back in the fall a lot of stamina influences on his family and I really like how he has won his last two races now. Both of them were six furlongs in the slop but he'd be Oh nice Ray of field at Churchill downs. The runner up their place finisher came back to want win after he crossed about seven months. And then last time in the sugarbowl that I was just impressive effort to watch because he really Put away the competition on the turn. A lot of his rivals in here WanNa race up close and not be necessarily committed to the lead. And I think street's GonNa send I think you'll get the mile distance and he walked wire Gold Street I really struggled with and at first pass I I made him a and in fact I I was very ready to you. Know use simply all all the asmussen's and not jungle runner but The other three and the stretch out aspect is is really the question here and a reminder for those that don't play Oakland or maybe are getting excited about playing at this year The MILE RACE IS GONNA end. It's a Mile Oval. So you're going to have the sixteenth Paul as your finish line. So there's not a lot of a stretch for horses to navigate if they're going to try to rally however you do have four horses stretching out here James and and that's That's a formula. I mean you look at Like Hannah and Nutty even to some degree jungle runner feels like You know might be at least kind of oppressor Then you look at Gold Street and three technique posted and it just feels like it just I. I didn't sense that Gold Street. The could win this wire to wire and I just felt like there's too much pace side-on here I. I went to shared sense because he feels like the horse. That's going to set up shop behind that speed and has already kind of proven that that's a trip that is is is to his liking So that a twelve to one morning line. I mean you're GONNA get every bit of seventy eight to one on shared sense and oh you did mentioned briefly technique receiving posts on the far outside in there. But I will say that cold those intrigue me a for sure based upon that maiden win at Saratoga. I really liked the way. He broke his maiden day by more than five percents Necker island was in there Stanley Cole whole came back and won broke his maiden and then won a salty allowance Churchill downs and basically he got some time off and I'm just not putting too much stock in that last race just as it just being a tighter because I mean those rivals were overmatched. He had put away at the top of the stretch and read or teasing he'd I've been riding hard to the wire if he could set up positioning. Get a good trip and I could carry two wad on that for tomorrow turn. He's eligible to run. Well Jeremie engelhardt ship them. The hot springs early has worked in several times over the track. Well IT'S A. It's a nice way to start the the road toward the southwest ask. The risen star had risen star. The The rebel and the Arkansas Derby. What else you got Before we talk about the Gulfstream and and the other place James that you're looking to play this weekend we'll Mozart main races on call today at Oaklawn Park Race number six tomorrow sixteen Steve Asmussen has number six descent. He's nine to two in the morning. On and Honor Coco Cole. First Time out at keeneland on a sloppy track Iraqi MR break walked at the start Came back last time at Churchill downs and I thought that was a pretty solid middle movie actually showed signs Arthur Life after that the debut that Alex just random off their feet that day I thought that was a win that he's a foreigner coal per steve asked. That's me some hasn't worked back so I'm not sure what his status is. But I thought that was. I thought that was a tough race and I think the sense going before out of that. So I'm GonNa give him the edge six and in race number seven. I got a little bit of a long shot. Pick in there It's an a three other than allowance. Optional claiming number or eleven forty four to coming back in that spot for Kenny Smith. Really he's from. Well he's the lightly right seven year old Gal name but he has gone well freshness before four rain a good thermo king cotton. Last year of a similar layoff from a tough inside posts. He's drawn outside. He's drawing outside. I think today with Alex Burns Are Facing in here gray. Attempted Niro who are going to take a lot of money but I just think a little vulnerable at six along with the fastest races of coming coming in to turn distances and Great Attempt You know really just didn't show much less common that Bonaparte soppy tracked but I think only four and he's got speed reading from ninety seven in his last two starts. Those are the fastest numbers for any horse in the field and their last to sprint starts. And he's eight to one in the morning on I use them As part of the picture I ended up actually Also going toward a price and that was. Da Doro inside with silver ride. This is a really fun and representative event given given the presence of Holland door with awesome anywhere. You've also got the Sadler in here with horse greedy so some of the new. Some of the new faces is that are turning up from particularly from the West Coast. Then there's show gin and my Engelhardt and and others. There's there's also oh the asmussen player in here Clark Brewster bought Niro and for those that forgot about Niro. He was nine hundred and fifty thousand dollar yearling breath for stonestreet and cool more that baffert had he was last seen of course In the triple bend and Clark Brewster Rooster. I mean poached him for forty seven thousand At the November sale and seems to be working fine and nothing wrong with nero so I went Silver ride on the price. The diadora on the rail ten to one zero awesome anywhere and Gordy Florida And you know gray attempt comes back here ear the jinks fires. You've got that Mo jo man from Jimmy Devito who's a little scary spike shirl off a long layoff and and certainly if if Spike Cheryl can run back the one of his good races. He's dangerous Petrov. Shows up in here for more. I mean this is this thing is deep and and tough a lot of passing there as well. it's funny. You mentioned the adorable because On Saturdays Eighth Card there's three two stakes with the fifth season split into division and in the latter division Diadora has this pioneer spirit who he cleaned lanes for a hundred fifty grand to starts back at Churchill. Downs off of a win. He came right back and one to NASA's last time he ran big at oaklawn on last year. CB One a really a good allowance win in arch and then ring in a half went third and oaklawn handicap. He's returning The tracking in good form Yeah Proviso and others in there so he is A price should be okay and to me extremely off off. Of course pioneer spirit the nemesis and frequent head banger with silver dust. And I that that was the rivalry are- of twenty nineteen. So yeah there's I haven't gotten into Saturday's card much just tied on with the with Gulfstream but but I'm glad you mentioned the provisos return and D Wayne I wonder if I wonder if you're Philly and Racer phillies Amerce Pippen. And there's a couple intriguing horses in there for Brian Cox. He is running. IRS mischief their next. She did break her maiden to turn mile at oaklawn but to me. She's like a Humanities Staff Madison type Could be really really good at it. mental distances. And but she's going to try to turn Ma at Powell no and then gold standard. Who on the outside looks like confirm to type? I talked to Turnpike who could be very good at four Coming up a half length second lady apple and the Remnant Park Oaks and then third to malaria. WHO's it was a real privacy Philly for top pleasure so I'm a little intrigued by that pippen. which you know sometimes might not get the tough deal Blair last week in New York Steak win yeah the ladies the Ladies Handicap James Anything from Gulfstream. Yeah the You know I I I just I thought I was intrigued by Muccio. Few so with Omaha the fund run in there. So you know not On on a win play type in there. But I'm definitely gonNA use him In any multi rating back Wagers could be single for me Horse I liked it. A price in those stakes is In the TURF really thought competitive field and I liked sacred life. I thought he ran a A. You know he came back in his first two racist or Chad Brown at Saratoga or solid efforts. I loved that Allowance Win and by a keen Lynn in mid October and then he had trouble trip last time in that seabiscuit. All kinds of traffic issues. Eases like turf. Wars Five Year olds her force with the upper trajectory for Chad Brown. He's GonNa be You know double digit arts potentially from post eleven with Jose Ortiz. And I'm GonNa take a swing Adam excellent anything else. Yeah and you know in race number two. They got a couple of two year old man. They got a couple of three year old races on Saturday at goal strings. Number Number Two I. I'm I'm not the only person out there like probably looking at candy. Tycoon and thinking these horrible Off of that you know getting beat at odds. A dog wanted to five odds last time. But I look at the horses in here with experience and they really haven't shown much The there's a couple of first or number one trove from Bill Ahmad on the females family Yada could easily need a couple of races. I like number eight Holy Emperor at eight to one on the morning on first time out for Jimmy Jerkins. This call has worked street. Sense Cole has were he worked He's worked six times in like thirty four days at Prairie Meadows. He's he's been working on all the five long distance works. He cut him back for a half mile breeze. He from the gay. Any worked bullet the fastest of eighty-two workers at the distance distance that day on January eleven. I think that shows yes. Some ability castle auto takes the trip his damn on the second time out and a half sister to holy boss Ost who broke his main by ten and a quarter lengths. First time out. So there's some Casa di and the few mouth family and This race is there to be had so holy per and Rice to tomorrow. ALLSTATE's excellent excellent James Appreciate it and we'll look toward next week. The Lewis and the Holy Bowl and Derby futures features as well James. Good thank you. Good luck to you. James Underscores scully. One one one everybody the prisoner personnel package edge and your twin spires blog role No Ed today Ed Scott. Some function that he's tied onto so We'll catch up with him next week. And he's certainly loves the the future a wager as well. So there's your your twin spires presentation for weekend preview. 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93: PARLIAMENT TAKES BACK CONTROL? With special guest Peter Kellner

Remainiacs - the Brexit Podcast

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93: PARLIAMENT TAKES BACK CONTROL? With special guest Peter Kellner

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So now broadcasting from bald pirate radio Theresa out on Viking forties, and especially German bight, I'm onto housing, and we have a dependable with us here today. Greece's known Fritz mastery of the shipping lane so tiller. I may Alexandra. Alex, welcome about how you doing. Between death and do mortality as always these days. But that's life on the ocean waves. Also, I'm actually according fide Saliou now, I just thought I'd throw that. Yeah. No into your town. I'll take because when it was fourteen I worked for travel agency, they needed to spe in case someone called in sick from the boat that does the tours around me. And so I had to study in quarterback. Well. This is actually to gain now. All I'm saying is. Yes, soon after keeping is navigating rose Taylor if the truth, trust and technology commission, rose, welcome back pleasant lush, Christmas and battle consult thinking about Brexit. And that was enough. Brexit news to feed me. So I can't I wanna move exit. News more reporting. There wasn't there was this people being you know, kind of a bit snippy on Twitter. It wasn't enough. Of course, we have our own to the cabin while Ian done at its politics. K halloween. Happy new year. Now, I'm not going to bang on about cross channel ferries any longer. But what did we make of the seaborne ferry contract handed out without tender over Christmas company with assets of sixty six pounds turns out Austin cannot be dredged in time the Brexit anyway, could we literally have up a ferry service from this podcast by the sides, maybe off with a cool. We probably have too many acids. We're probably going to say. That's true. We do stately. Yes. On the list is say, but Roz jumper is very nautical horizontal stripe. And we all around. I see was a lot of conspiracy took that one of the directors mocked by foot was somehow related to Anthony Bamford of JC major donors to the Tony buzzy. This tend not to be true. But it's you don't need to kill this lily deal. It's bad enough. As it is. I am on nail. Did we enter the monster airport? Potemkin traffic jam as the Indies. Tom described. I think it's eighty nine Laurie stunning infra six thousand nine months than pot process. It's pathetic longer traffic jams in that and the twenty I mean on the one it's just like that it is quite amazing to fail at traffic. Traffic. And then when the next sentences, but don't worry. We'll definitely be okay. On the new name me. I'm not sure if I have full confidence in your competence. Well, the road haulage association. That's got as window-dressing said it could not come close. The reality of six thousand trucks stuck at monster airport and at at from the chemical there's listen to the show said he'd been to plenty of raves at Madison apple so getting traffic on an office. What? And we'll be discussing the meaningful votes later in the show. It's the debate is taking place as we speak as he recalled there's a tally on Nicole. And so we may break off at some point to say a thing has happened. We're also going to be talking about channel falls Brexit, the on civil war and also the government seeking out that pay to stay registration scheme right in the middle of Christmas. But first, let's me special guest pizza Kellner is the doyen of pollsters. Ex news nights political analyst journalist and former president of yougov though, he retired from yougov and twenty sixty and you really wouldn't know is he's a fixture on television and radio and works tirelessly to bring analysis and hard data into political debates. He's the expert when not tied off. Welcome to remain X pizza. Invite to the help rose outs bids who was especially withdrawal Simpson over Christmas. I just go back this week from from ten days in in Washington. And I have to say if you not getting enough dysfunctional politics in prison, try the United States fast enough here. So. Basically frying pan fire h h west the other. Indeed, if you had to one in this state, the current state for the rest of your life London or Washington right now, which would you pick and if you'll make human off a put a figure to. Let me talking about the utility of polls. And specifically the people's vote polls in pizza. What's your sense of the way things heading right now at quarter past two on Wednesday? Well, Andrew, none of us. I've been saying none of us community, your how this will end up under the show will be in a week all ten days time public opinion. What we can say has moves clearly not hugely. But clearly towards remaining in Hugh. It's was the remain was just a heads in the polling through last summer. Awesome. After Theresa May came back with who is drawing agreements. The Pauline showed very quickly and his remained light is consistently. What six or seven weeks the public? Don't like with drool agreements people polarizing increasingly saying that we should stay in the EU after all that's the biggest number is climbing all should get out. Fully none of this mess around with a compromise. We should get out get out of the single market the customs union and Britain's should be completely free to do what he wants might guess the risk by the time. People listening to podcasts I'm proved wrong, which may very well. The case, I the governments will lose the big votes next week. I think politics, this is what is interesting this week is the decisions of the speaker, John berko, the decisions of MP's are taking the whole issue of Brexit increasingly away from the governments and didn't do parliament, this is apartment everything else. A constitutionally fascinating periods following politics and very cell pace and on seven potential options for what might be on the ballot for people's votes. Seven variants. What's your preferred version the reason the seven options is that one of the fundamental choices you're gonna make his do? We have a three way referendum all sets of referendums because there are three fundamentals roses remained in the EU compromise deal all eve completely. So you either have a referendum system, which reflects or three options or you have a conventional reference donor conventional references of binary. One two choices. So if you can have a binary referendum, which are the three options. Do you leave out my personal judgments and I bought a Britain? This is the technical issues to do with three way. Referendums? I think it needs to be binary. I think he should. And we get one probably will be remain versus the government's deal. But it might be remain versus no deal. What I would say is. I think the referendum really wants to be a simple choice between remained in the EU or very particular form of Braxton either the compromise or no deal. He's going to be clear form of leave versus the clarity of remain is an is there any reason that we couldn't just have a sort of first pasta post version with three options on it rather than this sort of alternative vote preferential? There are also ways you knew three option referendum first-past-the-post, relax, NBC's, only one of them. But let us suppose that one of the options is a head with forty percents on one has thirty five percents. And while now has twenty five percent. That's that's two hundred. So forty percent forty percents is the winner elephants. Pose the most Butler sixty percents of people who've not voted for it. So. You could certainly have technically they probably having I post the post referendum. I not sure that it would really central civic society down if the win it doesn't get fifty percents very convincing. What did you think of the idea of two stage vote that some people in putting forward, right? Let's thing through Tuesday. Joe the one that's being most suggestive on Fulton. But saying is stage one is remained versus leave it remained wins. That's it if leave winds we then go on like, a French presidential election a couple of weeks. Thanks to a second stage, which is what kind of leave, right? So that's sounds interesting. But bad this in mind. Let's suppose you'll somebody who quite likes to withdraw agreements, you're outside the EU the economy doesn't fall off a cliff, but you'll really scared of a new deal Brexit, do you votes for leave because your favorite choices particular formerly or even remain because you don't take the risk. The you end up with the most catastrophic one or the other way rounds, you might be a convince Leyva who thinks withdrawal agreement is he's all the problems of you membership without the benefits of having a say, how'd you votes in stage one? So that's one of the reasons why if you actually look at the mechanics, and if you let in gained theory behind almost any three option system you start heading into problems, and if it ends up as a three stage or three three choice referendum game theory will come into it. And do we want a big national decision to be settled by the? Nation of game theory. Well, I think this is one more. Yeah. Exactly what this is our daily people thought we will be returning soon. And but we're going to be getting into the Brexit news of the week after these announcements from ships entertainment, officer, Alexandria. It's the first big run of twenty nineteen remain. Live is returning to a stage in London Thursday, seventh of February. And this time as special guest will be joining the panel, our good friend, David Snyder of the death of styling the day to day, Ellen Partridge in plebs fame will be joining regulars in nearly Smith and Dorian linski for nerve wracking evening as we get closer and closer and closer to be day or not depending on. Come down to find out. Who's stockpiling lentils who has an escape plan and how many drinks bribes? It will take for David to repress his famous physical cartoonist brand from the day today. We're back at the legendary LeicesteR square fitter tickets are on sale now at LeicesteR square theatre dot com. And of course, patron back got early bird access to tickets, plus a discount, you can get that discount on tickets to plus coveted, remain, IX, mugs, and t shirts and every episode of the show delivered a day early. If you support us on patron, search patron remain IX or just go to our Facebook page to find out more that's remaining live at the less square. Fiercer on Thursday, seven February tickets at LeicesteR square theatre dot com. Thanks, alex. Now, let's dive into the swelling bilges of Brexit news. First up groundhog, Dale as Theresa May retention, the Christmas break, absolutely definitely put a deal to the Commons next week. Even though was someone one set. Nothing has changed except it has because the five day breath. Debate has begun an aunt used other governments overdone embarrassing defeat on the vet Kuba Nickie Moga amendments which limits its tax-raising powers in the event of no deal twenty Tory MP's including six cabinet ministers. An eleven former junior minister rebelled, meanwhile, Labor's Chris Brian Atkins says Dominic grieve tabled an amendment, which if passed on I think it's happening right now on a screen name me would force the comb, so the Commons. Excellent. It's parents. Keep an eye on that the chamber is full with the vote margin looking strongly against May's deal. The people's vote campaign are organizing a major weekend of action before the big vote there. Exhorting everyone with the right to your MP five best for Britain dot org slash right? Print and Popa window post. Also best Britain dot org and old Yoda street stole in your area. Go to people's dash vote dot U K slash events to find yours. Anyway, won't thing. Definitely. It hasn't changed it. So by gig depressing in what change on Christmas, if anything nothing nothing changed of Christmas the Kupa amendment. If it was quite important because I mean, it's content is meaningless really I didn't really see that. It's effective in what it would do if we really were heading towards no doing nothing was changing. I can't see NP's really trying to hold up the government doing spending you'd want them to be doing the spending. So on practical terms, it doesn't seem to be anything sort of real there. What did it seemed to me was just proof of concept? Of the Commons majority against no deal an NP's willingness to enter into guerrilla warfare against the men. Order to stuff. Exactly that he's going to be a war of attrition death by Fezzan paper. Right. And just to have them find any as soon as the new broke the expectation around Downing Street, of course, was that everyone should out from new year to much food drink too much wine, and then they'll be arrested and a bit more dose. Oh, and they come back. And instead they come back and just ban an app them. And so in that sense, not in the practical sense. But in the symbolic and the tactical sense. I did think it was quite a useful development. What's the relevance? Theresa May's promised today Wednesday. The NBA is got to get a vote on the stop if and when it's Inc. I think effectively delegates the government's power to choose. Whether they kick the cannon little further down the road or whether the Baxter comes in. It's actually not at joy's between having the backstop or not having a backstop. It's a choice between implementing an extension period. Which would mean the backstop didn't kick in or not implementing it an extension period. Which would mean it would kick in. But under the agreement is only one extension period allowed. So it is effectively unit kicking the can down the road because at the end of whatever extension if parliament decides to go for an extension at the end of that would still being backstop territory unless the Northern Ireland border problem has been sorted out. And as I've said on this program, many many times before the Northern Ireland issue cannot be sorted out. Because you cannot have control of borders, which don't. Exist and to be clear, very they will they are. But just to be create cookie. They will vote for the ascension of the transition because it is a fall far more optimistic to be in than the backstop. Offers many veges she likes if you even have one little muscle of of soap interest as a parliament. You will vote for the extension. Okay. We have a big breaking news banner at the. Maybe we know whether breaking news APL bowing in front of the dispatch box and honestly McGovern ridge out the numbers this usually the winning Whipple. The we met luding teller that's the result of you. So it looks as the government's been defeated by maybe proved roller about three seconds. Rate of pay because. Reaching out the the votes going who's willing to lay very strong pro remain labor and peace while we wait for the BBC. Improperly. Helpful thing by we just have. It'd be great. Government loses K amendment and pays vote on development. Thank okay. Now does he's suppressing rights, and and it is significant because the really hard line near jeers where against the grieve amendment. So is this actually more symbolic of the relative weakness than is coming Jemaine to the way the Bill will go through. I don't know. I mean, the the the the problem at the moment is as we've said many times before the there are loads of constituent majorities against stuff. But no constituent majorities for something specific. And this remains the case the idea is that as time goes by people against no deal will call less around something. We don't know what that is yet people's vote citizen assembly. We don't know what that will be it. But the the the fundamental good news about both of those votes is I think the fact that the government was really annoyed about this amendment today in forted really hard says to me that they're probably not thinking of no deal and the alternative, and the reason it says that to me is this if they were thinking of no deal as the alternative they would have no problem declaring hot their hand. Earlier. In fact, they would want to declare their hand immediately after losing the vote because they would want to smooth out financial market, choke. They would want businesses and government departments to have as much time as possible to get ready over that would give their opponents more time to act against it. But my sense is that they're alternative is either softer Brexit or some. Kind of a compromise. Otherwise, they wouldn't object to this voters vociferously as they did and the g wouldn't either dot EU. This is this is quite important. What's up here today? Actually, this to me looks like essentially, and I'm not trying to be high. Just this looks like Pondimin is essentially at war with the government. Now, if you think about the structure of how things operate it is that the sovereignty comes to parliament by elections for the last two and a half years. The government has looked at the referendum result. I'm going with grabbing a bit of that sovereignty Otamendi we can take that bit of people power to smash down parliament that they've done it today brought fifty notification they did in the USA statutory instruments in withdrew Bill. They do it again. And again, and again now that is not working. They tried to do it here here they paused business motion fourth of December. The basically said you can't amend this only the government can amend this business now typically, you would expect that that had to be held to what berko. Did this morning by selecting it is essentially going against the motion. That's been picked by the house, and I'm not we call too relaxed about this. We call me to resign because many constitutional experts are expecting to you this morning who naturally sort of against the way, the government has acted acquaintance of about the decision that the coach took there. But he is basically saying look you played silly buggers, really hard. You decided you were going to have the minister stand up and shout tomorrow. And you could delay the vote, you know, have a vote on it. And even though you're sticking to the letter of the law. You are not abiding in any way by the spirit of the Lord. And you keep them clamping down parliament by selecting amendment and now by MP's backing it they all really really taking back control. And that seems to me actually, quite a seminal moment that could get lost. If you just look at the the motions and the amendments in the, blah, blah, blah pizza. That's absolutely the point. You could argue both motions pasta sweet the women's event coups about some funding. The the one about. The government coming back within three days. The government can actually quite easily deal with both. The money's going to run out when not like Washington the money isn't going to run out. And the government can just come back to three days for women and say, well, we're going to think about it. We'll go to the EU the point is as you say that the speaker Joan berko has now created in effect a new precedence about the relationship between governments and parliaments and the significance is, but if the government count get his withdrawal agreement through next week looks woman suddenly cons, parliament, moving take control of the process. And this has she's constitutionally big news. And he's WBZ news. Because I think this does make it much harder for Brexit to go through without deal. An is a supporter of a people's votes afresh referendum. I think in the last forty eight hours a referendums become very much more likely because parliaments from now on we'll be in the driving things to that. Great. Great. Any 'lustration of the constitutional putter versity going on at the moment is swallow Braverman. Tori, MP member of the G and former Brexit minister for all of last year was saying yesterday that will parliament might be against no deal. But there's nothing you can do about it so nine Anna. That was her attitude, and this is a member of the legislature who resigned from the executive that's meant to check the executive celebrating. The fact the executive has left the legislature, powerless that is constitutionally perverse that. He's one branch of government, celebrating the fact that another branch will government has hugely over reached and grabbed its powers there were various MP stunning up today, and challenging berko and saying the you're not allowed to do this this this is this is not constitutionally acceptable. And he I engaged in a bit of sophistry and said, well, it's not about amending emiss-. It's an amendment on emotion. So I can. And then after that he came down to the point. I think and said, well, I'm only allowing something to be put in front of the house, which you can all vote on any of the I'm I'm handing matters over to the Commons. And I'm giving you the chance to vote on it. And if you don't like it. You know, vote vote down and that I think was was the key point. And I think that's why he will get away with it, actually. Pizzas squeal of tires because this is moving from one thirty to kind of a related. Well, you've been pretty clear that the labor party, but sulfur general election. It went in supporting Brexit's continuing left narrative is we have to Brexit. We lose the northern leave constituencies. This is backed by solid public. That's right to the the the polling that was done bobby's loss, we from from yougov shows that if people people if labor in helping the conservatives get Brexit through how would you votes and the Leib vote crashes from thirty four percent down twenty five percent since I'm what what we found is that a lot of repeat remains vote. Labour would think again, they live demo Baid, but green or whatever and very few people who are leave voters Brizzi with labor would switch today. But the reason simple the the great majority of. Voters won't currently with the labor party. I with conservatives. So you can why should they swing to labor now playing the this is I I hike pathetic question as did a little polling months or years away from the elections is bouncing so I'm not going to get to the steak and say with the labels lose one million two billion three million four million votes. But what is absolutely clear is that there is a strong remain element of the current labor votes. That would be deeply rotated when you think of the seats that labor won in the twenty seventeen action famously Kensington Kansas, but a whole host of university seats, some of the veterans of London areas. Reading Southgate's remember, Mike Levin, Zillow's twenty years ago. There's there's a whole RAF of labor MP's who relies on the big remain votes. That's and I it's. It's clear to me that if labour ends up being seen to help breaks, get through labor can kiss goodbye. It's a whole to goal to a loss of those seats. I'm not sure it would pick up many or indeed any seats in the North Pole. Midland's just not they mentioned him much opposition. Because my loan later that we mentioned the toll on this show. Isn't it to an extent the sort of polling this before labor have chosen? Policy route and made the argument for it is like going into a pizza restaurant and asking table of people there, do you prefer Margarita pepperoni or sushi. And you know, the the the other option is not even in their head because no one has stood up and argued for it. The polling may be very different. If someone actually takes a leadership position and says, I think this is what's right for the country because wise it I know what he's doing now. But Bubby dispute sat in my personal view is Kobe, and if we do have a referendum coping comes off offense and advocates remain. I think this will actually Robbins track from it. But what we can say in these consistence is that's labor voters, maybe voters in the referendum voted around to to remain today. Labor mode is three to one or more pro remain. Believe voters are having second thoughts because it's conservative governments and endeavoured screwing. Up. So we do know that's a monthly and even more labor party members. There is a strong wish for remain. And therefore, however hypothetical question how much you try and aim off in terms of how leaders behave if you have a leader who's doing against the views of eighty percents of his natural supporters on the big issue of the day. That is as as Humphrey Appleby would have said twenty years ago in yes minister, that's courageous. Okay. Moving on to television because there isn't enough Brexit exit go around because is having a Brexit withdrawal symptoms over Christmas. This we we got channel villas Brexit the on civil war featuring Benedict Cumberbatch as the Chevy Sherlock Holmes of leave. Dominic Cummings Britain makes a noise it groans. He tells us in the opening scenes that it make us grown who are on the table wash. I washed it. Did booking one too. But you made me so. Enjoy. Enjoy. It was very very good. But I didn't enjoy it wasn't meant to be enjoyed really was it, I suppose not. All I could see it was it was it was better than I thought it was going to be better than if it had done things one way or another. It did feel like the opening efforts to try and grapple with the psychological sort of patriotic implications of what this thing had done a lot of it. Okay. So what was good and bad about both framed around? It's it's it's resistance to coming to a decision on whether Cummings is basically a good guy or bad guy. So it comes in. He's this sort of interesting extremely cerebral. You know, chaos agent, but maybe possibly bullshit. And at the end, you sort of get this sort of moments in front of a committee, where there's quite a strong suggestion of he's opened up these demons that he cannot control, and I feel that would have had a bit more power if it'd been willing to say something about him one way or another rather than just sort of balancing the booze in the air. There's a little bit too cautious for me. But it was a valiant effort rolls. Did you enjoy it? No. I mean, I can't I didn't enjoy it. But I found it fascinating on the less because it was about Brexit. It was very very well acted for the most part. I think there would be. There was some criticisms about it from people like Carol Cadwalader. And who are basically say we didn't hear enough about how they lied. We didn't hear enough about detail about how they lied and to me that wasn't the point. You know, this is a drama, and if you keep on hammering hope, yes, they light here. They lied hit on it. People are going to switch off. And I think it made the made it very clear that vote leave leave the EU and be leaving. So all light, there's various points the point is. And this is the interesting thing, we know they lied. How is it possible to get away with that kind of lying now in British politics? And how is it possible? Now for us to have doubled down on it and for people to be carrying online and guessing deeper deeper deeper into lies in the last two and a half years. And that for me is the really fascinating question because it it it gets to the real heart of what is going wrong with British. Politics. Well, I found I mean, I sort of again couldn't enjoy it. My loathing of the cast of characters was was was too great for me to actually appreciate the the dramatic direction on the on the obese great scale on talent involved. However, I did think that the massive disjuncture between Dominic Cummings is a fully rounded character. And then the kind of cartoon start ruined WALDO of presentation of g-o-v and Boris Johnson. You can't you can't pass Nate Johnson. I mean, he it's impossible to impersonate him because he has an impersonation of himself. I thought I thought it was fascinating with Cosworth because Causwell comes across as a complete loser. Why is he in this at all? They got his his facial expression. Exactly. Right. So that was that was very very well done. And also with Matthew Elliott who we don't hear much about it. It's really got in in into the mechanics of the relationship between the old school tourists people like Bernard Jenkin an old school Euro-sceptics Bill Cash, and then on another wing the Mavericks, you know, the populists like Nigel garage and air bags, and then you have come about Cummings coming in and disrupting all that and taking taking almost nothing from those guys, but just bringing entirely his own spin. And it's showing how he was able to cut through with his take back control slogan, and basically avoid having to have very much to do with the material what I found really hard to tell you. The huge division of British democracy is depicted as a kind of heroes journey on end. He was it was it was much more complicated than that. I think the, you know, the listening the listening I can hear Britain groaning. It's just that was to show how bizarre it was let your west, you know. The one bright moment he was a bit much. We haven't actor in the studio. What did you think that I think I think we need to move away from the idea that the primary function of drama is to being -joyed? The is the primary function of some stuff, but not everything the primary function of some of it is to make us think. And I found that it made me think very deeply because it was actually told from the point of view of effectively the Brexit side for the most part, and I found that really useful. Because I found that it stimulated something in me that realized a couple of things for the first time one relates to this idea about causal being a loser. But it it actually extended to all of them. And I think that's was very interesting that the Brexit campaign consisted of a band of rejects in many, many ways of a band of people that had not managed to make it in conventional politics that would be. -sidered loses for the most part. And I think part of the reason why they're campaign was affected was that they spoke to losers in inverted commas in society, and we have to look at why over the last forty years, we've created so many losers that we no longer share in language to speak to have this conversation and the focus as powerful. Because the language that's the truth. They spoke the language of the person who's been rejected and hurt by the system. And the other side. Didn't the second thing that I felt it made really really clear was how much of a moral vacuum. They really operated within at no point. Did you see anyone from the campaign ask themselves, should we? Yeah. They were preoccupied with Ken, we they never for one moment considered any consideration of should we reminded me of the the famous final line of the Nixon article in the Washington Post that said, you know, their lust for power meant, they node any legal or ethical consideration. And to me, that's what came through really really clearly that they they also it as a game and all of them with preoccupied with winning that game. No one stopped to think. Think what the consequences where of that best had this sort of number United Ninety-three that sort of September the eleventh film, which should've shows these guys in airports on airplanes as this event takes place, and they spent the protagonist spend the whole film trying to work out. What the fuck is going on. You know, basically, the people caught in history that's bigger than they are. And it's very best. It had that thing of actually you're here and those big big social change technological change happening around you and everyone's trying to keep hold of it. But I think that those moments were were pretty thin pizza one aspect of the of the film was that we see the leave campaign. So the remain campaign employing, very traditional polling. Focus groups asking people what they think and then trying to offer it to them, and we see the leave campaign doing none of us actually using the latest data science and targeting to create designs, create ideas, create once as a person in this world. What did you take from that aspect? I thought about one of the things where it's a half true. And the half truths are often more dangerous than outright lies because. Yes. A loss of the remain a research was conventional the not completely because I know Andrew Cooper who who ran that research, and he developed for that campaign as he had with the scholars referendum combines some very fresh ways. Idolizing delta an equally you would also known watching the play that's the leave campaign dis actually commissioned conventional research from promoting Buddha ICM. And they also had some quite interesting new ways of doing traditional research. So on the stuff about you. They found three million people that nobody else is just unforeseen. That's invention. I thought overall I'm great five of James Graham, I've seen three of his plays. I mean, I think we've all been fantastic this. I thought was good. But not as good as his three stage. Plays about the whips office in the seventies about merging about the labor. Politician. Mo more distant lose three or four or exceptionally fi plays. So I was a bit disappointed alley beat an anonymous writers, and this is all the goods. Raise my expectations. They wouldn't quite minutes. Finally on the news bitch, the fun story about how EU citizens can pay to stay in the UK Brexit. I'm ready for that. And how much it's gonna cost them the home of his brazier bravely launched the introductory video to settlements game on the twenty eighth of December. When the entire country within a roses and celebrations in juiced stupor, but it still roundly lampoon for showing smiling. Happy young people who were clearly overjoyed Abington sixty five quick to say in the U K L thirty two pound fifty for their kids. Not least because they all tend to be stock. Images of people who already advertise Canadian banks and Australian software social media was awash with people describing how their children who had never lived anywhere else would have to pay to stay and even the editor of the spectator phrase Nelson said the sinister tone and hint of deportation in the video was unforgivable Alexey. Previously said you're not going to register and you're off to Canada. What if say? Jake news. No, no. I said this is my backup plan unless the process is one that is very cheap and very simple. Well, let so you don't have to activate your backstop. What was your what was your reaction to this little launch at a strange time of year? It's not quite it's not quite enough. And it's not quite simple enough. That's my my honest reaction. There is there is a part in a migrant psychology that I've seen in all kinds of situations that just tells you keep your head down, and you know, sort of played by the rules and don't rock the boat. It it is really strongly when you feel you are a stranger in interloper in in in another country society. And that of course is telling me just pay this extra to quit and feeling the -plication see what happens. But I also think that that on a principal point of view. It's an outrageous thing to do. It is an outrageous thing to ask parents to register children, which for the most part will have been born in this country, and we'll no no other country than this country to pay thirty two pounds fifty in order to apply because that's the point it's not registration scheme. It's an application scheme and to me -application carries the threat of rejection. So the question is what if I don't pay the sixty to quit what if I can't pay the sixty to quit, which would be sort of two hundred and fifty quid for family. What if I decide to be civilly disobedient disobedience and say, I'm not going to stand the skin because I think it's unfair. What happens, then do my rights not exist? Do I get deported because that seems to me to be the implicit threat in any kind of -plication scheme. It seems to be licit that either you pay this money in go through this channel or you get kicked out of this country and necessarily is then visit. Yeah. Absolutely. Is that to me does not fulfill the the the guarantee that was given by the leave campaign before their affair endelman by the government's several times since the vote that my rights are guaranteed or to Mattingly guaranteed. That's the phrase. That's been used time and time again or to Mattingly guaranteed you don't apply and pay and go through hoops for anything. That sorta magically guaranteed the two the two concepts are opposite. This week show comes with support from our good mates at every Masic. The boutique travel experts who will there to help everyone exploit beautiful Greece summer is a long way away. But it's not soon to book your trip to Greece on the most fascinating cultural sites and the best beaches in all of Europe. Plus now that we know you won't need a visa, even if there's no deal you can exercise this bit of your freedom of movement. 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So and when you go there, you will understand if you walk around the many trails many walking trails around those mountains, there is actual magic in the genuinely seems like you will turn a corner and the nymph will appear. And you have another recommendation my recommendation because I will get lynched if I do too many more of these without suggesting Michael place where I was born. Look meekness is expensive, and it's crowded, but the point is it's expensive in it's crowded for a reason it's expensive is crowded because it is utterly devastatingly beautiful. And so what I would suggest is last week of September. First week of October is a splendid time to visit makers everything is much much cheaper. The weather is actually incredibly mellow because winds blow quite a lot in the dead of summer end around the end of September. It actually goes very quiet Wind-wise in very warm. The sea is the sea temperatures where woman it's a beautiful time to go, and you can get a good package for it. So drop a line to Alex and every Matic dot com. Not they Celtics that you've just had speaking female alexy's. Nothing's and tell her remain accent. You she'll be delighted to hear from you. And she'll put together the best holiday eve ever had every Matic dot com. Lati- unique angry. Peter Kellner, former presidents of yougov has been all pretty special guests this week pizza. It might sound like an old question. But we hear about yougov all time. It's it's probably news what differentiates it from other pulses like opinion survey Shen what what is the different points of differentiation. The stopping point is that you go was the first online holding company in Brazil news in twenty in the two thousand so it's coming onto nineteen years. I'm for France four or five years all the other women polling companies pooh-poohed via d could do research online, and they tried to flotillas at birth. We we will not throttled and the force. Now, they all your the new online companies like opinion survey Shen, all the established Trump is like I say or source Maury. Now have do it also their own work online. So you go was was the Trail Blazers. A lot of research you see in the papers is research that could be done by anybody. But I think where you go as a business as the saints from a a publicly known brand with political polling. It's businesses that means that because it was the pioneer in minister, call various markets of online research, which nobody else has been able to touch on give you a tiny example, we developed product brand index about fifteen years ago, and this is a daily track of hundreds of public facing brand. And you go Celtics as a subscription products. And the thing about subscription products is the once you sold enough subscriptions to cover your costs every subscription off to that is almost pure yet. But the other point is that once you do offensively. There's no point in anybody else. Trying to do the same thing because they're not going to get the subscriptions they need to raise. Even. So it is it is a source of almost a natural monopoly now as a believer in proper capitalism competition, but what I remember when I was a young journalist forty years ago. Somebody said to me remember the essence of capitalism is the avoidance of competition and pretty well all companies possibly even so her radio. Under a looking for that monopoly niche. Yes. Yes agency that nobody else does look says nearly as well. And a lot of business is the search for monopoly niches. So what makes you different is? Because it was the pioneer of this kind of polling. It is settled in more monopoly leashes than anybody else. It's been Chimbote chest fears polling not just with Brexit. Also with Trump on the attorney seventeen general election. How does it feel to be an industry that has been defined an in the popular mind a lot of people can pulses? They're the ones who get it wrong. All the time. Even though there's you know, all of this judicial well within the margins of error. But it's been kind of it's also been sold to people. Don't listen to pulses. They get it wrong. All the time. Yeah. Yeah. This is you haven't been up with. I can be really tedious and go through all you predictions later. Downs while I personally put my name to got. We got many more things, right? The wrong. I remember into its you eight when Boris Johnson, I became familiar London. Yukos's the company the shared Boris Johnson ahead all the other traditional companies should Livingston the heads. We came in for a lot of steak, we approved rights, and we got the result spots all the day of the Scottish referendum. I wins on air half an hour after the polls close and send Scotland has voted stay in the UK. We don't know a strictly next Bollywood sunny outside but along the day go, and it was clear to me the that's called as registered in the UK. And that's the only time in my life. And I think it's something I've said on their move the pound up one cent against the dollar. I could have made some money and I go to speaking. But I didn't I didn't. But yes, along the way we got we got things wrong. I was involved in two thousand fifteen election. Polling went all the posters over a straight to the neighborhood number three the conservative. I probably by the twenty seventeen election. When most of the polls show, the conservatives winning found a far bigger things. We've been made did infants win that was a curious one. Because in fact, virtually all the posters they ruled onto. It was pitchy. Well, spelt home. But then when they made the adjustment for ten outs. They basically. Berry in mobile twenty fifteen when a low of students and young voters and say younger labor, they didn't. But what was houses all it was one of the reasons why they considered his best than expected? So they decided to disbelieve the youngsters who's gonna vote labour in two thousand seventeen and the parishes. Do you know they came out and voted? So so the raw numbers will find because the wrong numbers had those youngsters rising labor. But they suppress a lot suppressed they reduced that number because they made a judgment about two now the judgment, and I was wrong app since we're talking to me if you see typical more kind of openly and proudly anti Brexit even in the guardian that had called impacts breaks in phases catastrophe. The polls Eclair that support for remaining has rocketed is it gratifying that the data is agreeing with you. Or are you being persuaded by the data on being persuaded by the data? And so I'm bound to say that. So let me slide people. Persuasive is this. You know, I think he will years I built up some reputation as being at least on its timeless also, and I'm not going to risk trashy my reputation by saying things, which are provable wrong. And remember all the British polling companies they come together and trae body. British polling council I was involved in the beginning. And I helped Sarait its charter under the very health that charter is transparency. So whenever I comment on a yougov poll, you can go to you those sites, and you can see exactly what questions will ask him. Exactly what the numbers were. And how the different demographics groups break. So that transparency inevitably makes me take care. Nobody can go to the tables and saying I've lied or distorted or warped the numbers. Can I can I ask a question? I used to used to work for for a government department. We used to commission a lot of. Polls. And whenever we commissioned a poll, we had an internal statistician that would come to the meetings in say, you can't ask this question is to leading you can't ask this question is too big us. And I look at a lot of polls now, and I look at some of the questions, and I really do think this really meaningless. I mean, you might do you want the government to get on with? It is a classic question that you will only ever really get one answer to the question. I understand why would lot of people do. So how how has polling become more customer driven in a way that you you affectively fashion the result that particular commissioning body won't Alex let let me if you don't mind be bit prim and proper here. When when when we were setting up, you gum developing it, I made it quite well as chairman of the president's view cough. I said twelve stuff may. Sure, you always ask clear unbiased questions. Did you make mistakes on my watch? Yes. Of course, the intention was always to ask fair questions. And I would say to a star if clients wants you to ask a biased question, so they get the answer the ones tell him it is not in their interests. Because if you ask a bias question, it is obviously a bias Christian. And it means when you try and publicize the results people are going to see through especially true of campaigning organisations who aren't poles to to to promote wall the same as with. With inspection. But I said I'd rather not have that business than break fats rue and we did lose some business. I would sometimes see arrivals asking the questions we refuse to ask. A my view is you goes reputation is worth a lot. More purely self interested is with a lot more the final ten thousand pounds. You might lose by refusing to bend your principles. Hi, it's difficult though, isn't it? Because one of the things I was thinking about today with regard to this is the question. Do you want a second referendum or do you want people's vote and John Curtis was writing about this yesterday? I think can saying that if you ask people if they want to second referendum. They are much more likely to say, no, if you ask them if they want people's vote, they say, yes, it's very difficult in it, which would you plant for because clearly if it was a poll commissioned by people's vote they would want people's vote. And I think that's an example, isn't it of way, it's very very hard. Sometimes not to ask leading question. On that, particular example, it's really just india-britain about this. I have made precisely the point that John Cornyn says made that if you see on the second writer referendum on balancing will say no g to people's vote on the whole people say, yes, I made the point that the win responses. Depend so much on the precise words if things which would seem to as the normal persons. I mean, the same thing it means a hell of a loss of our fellow citizens aren't really engaged with that issue. So the main conclusion to draw is the whether or not there should be a referendum stroke. People's vote is not an issue, which is engaging the majority of the population as to the. The questions that we've often you can look up on the yougov sites we've tended to use the term a public vote or should the decision be taken by parliament's or people voting in the referendum. I tried to ask you this neutral as possible. But the key thing here is if you get a reasonable form of wording, if you stick to it, then you can see the trains, so even if the level if any moment is open to doubt because of the wording if you use the same words, can you ask you to get an again the name? You can sell the movement is always more reliable than the snapshot. If that makes that that's right. Yeah. When I said much earlier, there's been a ship to remain over the last few months, that's because the same person beyond together. Again, again, you can see the shift, right? We mentioned it briefly talking about the channel Brexit drama. They idea that data mining was used maybe not as kind of clear as simple as it was depicted in that Bill is certainly become much more powerful part of a political campaign. Now, what's the traditional polling industry doing to deal with the rise of of personal data mining of micro targeting and things like that? Because it's it's it does put your relevance into question to an extent. I'm not quite sure what Christian yours you enjoy is. Do do do pose bait. Use of these techniques to understand their panel. Absolutely. And what are the techniques used to make sure we have a balanced sample? So you have the right proportion of people by surgeons social media classifications as by age or region or social class on gender or whatever educational level. So it's an it's another way of trying to get a handle on your next. If you. But if you're winning something else, while I'm not thinking more sense that that traditionally polling has gone out to find out what people think deliver it to political campaign as an act this a what we have seen as a as I mentioned earlier is that the the data mining and Mike targeting is more about generating needs and wants. And this is directions in amongst the electorate is not so in the traditional polling. She can't do anything do anything about. I'm not quite sure. What? Because look if any particular form of promotion, whether it's television advertising print advertising, social media, twitchy, whatever it is having the effect should show up in our in adults. You know, you you like how the research companies their job is to is to take the temperature. Not not given paracetamol or aspirin to lower the temperature. The and and if as the operation of all these new techniques affects the public temperature, then a good Polly company could research company should be able to dissect that is there is there any sense that people are I didn't want to use the word more flaky. So let's call them more mercurial. I was really shocked by the number of people I met who said I had no idea how it was going to vote until the day. I decided because of eggs ways at this to me seems completely alien, and it seems also relatively newer that that just instinctively are people more changeable. And so depending on what day what time of day, you catch them are you likely to get vastly different results, fundamentally, you're right. It's happening. Let me step back. The. The fifty sixty years ago, the great majority of people had quite strong partisan loyalties, then conservative labor, very few liberals greens and exists so much nationalist. We'll also around. Today. The number of people who say they have slower even the week attaching particular party is very very much. So people are much more. Willing. Election to vote make a contingent votes. According to what we think is right for them in their family. I'll start election rather than the say, I'm ready born and bred I'm conservative born and bred I will stick with my tried. So the public is much less tribal and one of the curious things about this, which the political professionals say they recognized, but they don't behave. The recognize is that the kind of people who decide close elections over as close referendums other people who are most likely to switch around choice in Las Evans, anither, people who follow politics least closely. Not only do they follow politics. Let's closely. They make judgments in a different way from new graduates with strong views about the environment or about taxation or about the answer is all about Europe, the people who matter most in a close election all referendum that what the. Physical scientists called Valence voters. And this means they don't vote, according to policies the vertical to character. Competence. Is this party is this leader Ave? Listen to me, I'll be on my side. Can I trust them or? Tissier comes up always is always character and competence, judgments that people may often implicitly and you saw this. I think quite significantly in the twenty seventeen general election when Theresa May's rape personal rating collapsed during the course of the campaign because when she was on television a lot and being questions a lot. They'll may box came over and people could sense. This was somebody who couldn't deal with the questions cadets, even straits answers, couldn't engage. She pretended a policy on social care had remained the same in fatty. She done an obvious u-turn. And so I'll be twenty seventeen came to make a judgment courage her about Theresa May, which and also some Jeremy Corbyn who they're not seen before in that actually quite liked what we saw. But these were Valence judgments, they won't go in as voters into the detail of Vissel that parties noses. Mehta we could talk about this forever. And if you'd love to have you back on the show, so wonderful, but we've only got so much time. Even though it's a podcast, and we I'm afraid to go into the end of the show the end of the first year of twenty nine thousand which means that the Brexit time capsule is back pizza as our guest. What would you like to put in our blast-proof volts of things will miss if we leave the or things will need if all when we leave the if we leave the European Union are miss the wonderful, multicultural, tolerant open sense of diversity. But you got to Britain because I think the chaos of Brexit's who shop, visions, if we stay in clay hope for something. Yes. I hope we has completely against our brand. Anyway, tough. Tough. I hope we passed a law banning all referendums. Margaret thatcher. People don't remember this the first big speech. Margaret Thatcher made in parliament conservative party was against nineteen seventy five referendum Bill. You brilliant speech saying why referendums or a really bad idea. I agree with what she said, then not with the opposite usually held about twenty years later, and our first closing language clip at the air is an Italian. It comes listener, Anna Gordillo, and it says second contribution to the show. Sunday. So. Yvonne, you did we get spat? Okay. Let's take on the chink. One thing. I stayed so seen ity here because he put three Maskell toddy maniacs phenomenon. Nostra Giovanni Joe. That means Hello. 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98: PODCLASH SPECIAL! Remainiacs meet Cakewatch in EU summit conference

Remainiacs - the Brexit Podcast

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98: PODCLASH SPECIAL! Remainiacs meet Cakewatch in EU summit conference

"The two dollar six piece chicken mcnuggets are tender juicy made with one hundred percent white and making a big splash on the one two three dollars. And for just a dollar. You can get any side soft drink like a sweet tea Hawaiian punch for the one of a kind flavor of Dr Pepper. So Kenya favorites flowing right now. Mcdonald's only on the one-two-three three dollars. Price of participation may vary. Cannot be combined. Any other offer a competent? Hello, everyone and welcome to very special enhanced lethality addition of Romania six we thought about doing the post and the new Cambridge lecturer and anti Brexit component doctor, Victoria Bateman because that's helping. But instead we've taken Defense Secretary in real life Gareth from the office govern Williamson, it is word increased mass. So that we can project global presence during linski. Hello to everyone who made last week's maniacs. Live such fun. You can get the recording on our country and page. If you missed it on joined by regular panelist, the writer broadcaster, an expert in Brexit and digital disinformation Nina Schick, meaning how are you? Good gets to back. Did you enjoy Daniel Kaczynski MP blaming his big lie about Britain getting everything from the Marshall plan on Twitter's inadequate character. Limit. Oh, it's been so good watching him squirm. Of course. It was very amazing washing both Adam Bolton and Alexis Conran, call him out. I mean, he's particularly bad. So basically, if you can say, you can tweet total lies and then go. Oh, well, no. There wasn't any space space to add. I mean, you could have just rectified it. He's obviously clutching at excuses. He could have googled it. And he didn't he I think he believed his life, which is another indication of dick utter incomprehension of Brexit, tears. Well, that is the problem when when people it's the sort of, you know, the Trump problem is that sometimes Trump lies knowing that he's lying, and sometimes he just doesn't know because he doesn't think it's important to reference reality at any point. And so you end to this point way. Basically, you just choose the reality you want and sometimes it aligns with the actual one. And sometimes it doesn't zoo. He's not actually consciously lying. He's just like I would like it. If this was. Yeah. He's just an idiot isn't he and he's just making creating a story to suit his kind of cognitive biases. A simple Google would have shown me. It's it's it's this extreme ideological fanaticism. That's developed to to Brexit and. I genuinely don't think he knew that. It was allied genuinely think he believed it which tells us something about the nature of the debate. Well, this is a special crossover team up edition of the show where delighted to welcome the team from the brilliant cake. Watch podcast our brothers from another hosting platform to the Romania spunky cake watch began as a plan to naming shaming samples of flagrant Brexit, fancy point Mr. Kaczynski's, hence, the name, and it's evolved into an excellent expiration of the whole Brexit mass with farmer in depth access. We've got because they do it. From Brussels in Belgium. So it's hallowed self-designated Anglo sway eurocrats and maker of EU foreign policy and spent slow Chris KENDALL, aka autocrat on Twitter. My chris. Hi, I'm here in a strictly personal custody. Unwelcome musician sound engineer. Former UK negotiate you in the U and personal Brexit. Keep to friend of the show Allen Smith EP Steve Bullock, aka guitar Moog on Twitter wasn't remains K watch. It is like when the x men meet the adventures we stopped by fighting then team up against a greater force like the Pfister. Oh, yeah. Right. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, never fight. We just thought it all started with a very very low budget. Ripoff of Romania. From paljor. We've only had your regular guest. Steve analyst on the show. All we need. Now is Dr tenure boot men, and we full sat should. Yeah. We swear of wealth. Run for money would money that would be blue. Here as we started this podcast outs of desperation and rage. Obviously. You started your just for fun. What was the what was the scene? Plus what made you kind of like flip the switch on that first episode? So so I'm a podcast listener consumer costs. And I heard I woke up one morning thinking probably some Brexit pug costs out that I shouldn't into. So I found you, and I found another one new European, and I became an avid and keen listener. But I would regularly hear things which may be thinking. What are you guys bid to UK based y- you need you need that insight, and I? Steve Steve's go recording. Do we do it? So that's that's where it came from. And you just on a first birthday dish. Where you go back and listen to your first ever episode, and you had a similar experience to win. We did I both edition. This is our first episode, which is that all the things that you thought would be sorted out. By now, a not yet. And actually that you could take as I think he's approve this. The you could actually take things that you've said a year ago, and they would be still applicable today. Give me the fence that we'd just been repeating. Oh. For the last year. And there was nothing new to to say about because obviously on the day after the referendum remain is obviously like this is a terrible idea. This will go badly. But as I think you said on the episode it's like nobody really predicted quite how badly an on the multifarious ways in which go badly. It makes us seem perhaps optimistic. Yes. Went two six. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that for me. I don't stay probably agree. I think the morning after the referendum through through is literally in my case. I think we felt that. Well, you know, what this is a very very depressing inside development, but somebody is going to grip this and somebody will be on the EuroStar. They'll be talking they'll they'll cook up a way of managing this. So that it can be done in reasonably civil way. Yeah. And you have you have full faith in the continuity of institutions in Brussels expect. Yeah. Your faith. In commute of institutions in the seamless, the advice from the civil service will will will will kick in. You seem that options will be looked at properly and so on which is how decisions that sort of generally may generally made in government all there were before twenty sixteen maybe now, so yeah, you seem that they'll come to some reasonable thing. They'll look for look for some sort of consensus do cost benefit analyses and develop a strategy, wait and wait until there's a planet trigger article fifty and so on, but then it. Yeah. I mean by a few months after starting to go to go. December starting to go south pretty quickly. What are the most? Who are the most agree GIS examples of cake ISM? Oh, well, I mean, the only here is. His led by Boris Johnson. First and foremost, I mean, he was the ultimate acres was going. But it I mean other than that it would be invidious to pick out any particular individual. They're they're they're still as it still. Well, Corbin is another afraid. So I'm sorry to say is another classic kissed because he even have things already been ruled out. Absolutely categorically, well, we can we can leave and still have all these things if only negotiating it didn't I in fact, all all all five. I mean, in fact, bits of remain of well. The whole idea that we can, you know, remain in the U and reformers in the next year or two to two our lighting. Although the us going to give us an offer you're gonna come with an offer saying, okay, we'll do all the things that you apparently want want us to nerve until the eleventh hour. So I mean, it's a I think it became it became more by X general, British exceptionalism. Yeah. And actually, yeah. I'm. What we covet very early on in the first couple of episodes. We realized that we had both Stephen I both written in quite some detail about. How we thought negotiations would go, and then how negotiations ought to go onto world. And how Brussels expected negotiations to about just how they normally go and as the podcast progressed and as time's gone on. We keep referring back to that. In those things that we wrote them early days in just increasingly despairing at how far from the precise opposite. Edge of every single point. It's been the wrong choice. Made I'm five to enjoy. These led by donkeys posted whether kind of reprinting tweets and claims made by registers. But I do wonder whether exposing hypocrisy and blame contradiction lies how much they're actually cuts through that is very gratifying to see. But we just don't seem to be in a in an arena where those rules don't apply, and nobody nobody sort of steps down because they're because they're exposed as a hypocrite. No, I think that's a fair point. And I think that. I don't know that we were setting out to use this exposure of hypocrisy to change the world. I think we would angry more to expose it. Right. I do it. Anyway, I love the those posters exist. This is also like to think that, you know, the the ones that was exposed and you go hang on. This is what Davis or Chris gray laying on the biggest dog in the world said in two thousand sixteen this is what they're saying now, and maybe don't pay so much attention to them. I think we need it for posterity of. Well, we need it for posterity to show the people weren't lying down and just taking this the the madness of collective, but it wasn't universal. But actually people kicking back. Oh by listening to do something, you know, whatever happens. And I think that's important. I don't know I've suspicion whatever happens within a year or two years or five years people who effectively know where the bodies were buried people are going to be coming back to back to that. They'll be listening back to Kate. Caution Romania I as they prepare the indictments, but on Twitter and Facebook in. And the articles that have been that have been written about it. I mean, they've to some degree of part of our historical records show, right? Christmas Eve will be with us throughout the show before we start one of the reasons like Kate watches is the only focus that can explain the by comparing them to free jazz. I don't explain this analogy Chris obsession with with rules and Ruth Ruth system. All goes back to a conversation. You had with. With the telegraph your car. Yeah. Where you prove. Well, he wants rules. He was sick of rule of you know, an it. Yeah. It rule having a having a framework of what alive you to if live to be free, and now translates society, and this this is why free form jobs free phone free form, atonal jobs. If you not very pleasant listen to for except for the musicians are playing very avid, very avid funds. Whereas. Music with a little bit more structure of a little as a as a lot easier plan a lot easier to listen to a lot easier to actually have meaningful expression. I think voting. That was where you you went with. Yeah. Whereas is it off when you start talking about jazz? Mccray. Friday, bringing something very culture by Bach of of something like that. I thought it more like more like. That's enough jazz for now, Ed. We're going to dig into the news in a minute, which means everything from the latest on Jeremy Corbyn non-compromise with Theresa May. And the humiliation of shuttered breaks secretary care star whose people's vote clause mysteriously fell off corbin's letter idea referendum after withdrawal Bill has passed could that work to nausea for his new Brexit party, the ongoing been fire that is Chris Greyling and parliamentary action man with equalizing realistic, ripping hands Gavin Williamson all after quick reminder for Nina last week to maniacs. Live in London with the brilliant. David Snyder was a sellout show and fantastic evening. If you're a patriot back already you've had the recording. If not it's time to give into temptation and support remain axe. On patriot. He'll get our life podcasts early bird access to tickets for our next shows. Those sought after maniacs coffee, mugs, anti shirts with new designs coming soon. And if you're on the five dollar a tear or upward are brand new monthly ask 'Romania axe special podcast to exclusive to patriot bekker's just search patriot Romania or go to our Facebook page to find out how to sign him. And if you're patriots support you're on the two dollar tier you can get our famous executive upgrade just look under your memberships and select the five dollar tier to get the deal that is better than no deal. Search patriot Romania or go to our Facebook page to find out more. Thanks, lena. Okay. Let's have a thick slice of news. First up, another great moment in labor, Brexit policy. When in the most kissed on was threatened the people's vote unless may agree to the party's terms had fallen off Komen's letter. Theresa May according to itv's, political editor, Robert Preston Stormer, the officer degree to draft saying that labour would officially back a people's vote unless may agree to terms including customs union, but in the version of the winter Theresa May that threat of being removed when stomach all the leaders office, according to best, and he was told they had forgotten to increase it. I'm told. Tom is not the happiest member of the front bench to put it mildly. Preston rate, Mesa sports, the letter was Kurt reject to the customs union, but gave the concession that worker's rights will be protected by land to vote every time they diverged from EU standards, which should happen. Anyway. So what is Labour's conference policy worth now? Because a couple of hours before we came on air. Apparently, they're insisting that it still conference policy to try for general election and only then yadda yadda. But how many times are you allowed to try for general election before you have to move onto the next the next step how much longer can they keep going out? This is the conference motion. Everything's fine. It's in Labour's interest office Kate and with the kind of Letcher that came out last week. What Corbin was actually doing was stamping out any hope for a second referendum much to the chagrin of many MP's in his party. Right. And I think the very cynical calculated bet he made is that first of all he's actually putting out a position that from the EU perspective is somewhere you can start negotiating because you're essentially moving the Tory party's red lines. Even though there's cake ISM within that. But he knows that the Tory frontbencher trees may will never go for it. Because if you go into permanent customs union than the conservative party will split so both parties with some six weeks to go are playing party politics. Corbin is kind of pretending like he's reaching out across the divide. But actually what he's doing is killing second referendum whilst not clarifying. Labor's position any further. Very cynical. Kick watch is this. Is this a shameless melon and carry Murphy again is it the kind of the cool been in a circle overruling. Both shattered breaks secretary and the will of the members. You you send you asking the wrong person with me because I'm very much on the Brussels side of things, and I'm simply not plugged into the Westminster thing, I mean from from my perspective. Honestly, I look at what is going on in the labor party. And I look at what's going on the Tory party leadership, and I just see the same thing. And you're you're you're a big family, and I'm creatures look from man to pig pig tonight. Couldn't tell the difference. I mean, really, I honestly they both leaders look to see look to be kicking the can down the road as far as they possibly can. And the impression I get is that they're playing a game of what meaning will know what I'm talking about. I don't know what that is that the card game where you don't want to be the one left holding the game spades. I think I think there's actually every chance to call them. We'll move to a second referendum position. But on the twenty seventh twenty eighth of March when there's no possibility whatever, but actually. But I would actually happening. I mean. I I mean, the first thing I thought when I for the letter with the this is the first step in a move towards more voting voting for the withdrawal agreement or at least abstaining and looking the other way while while while labor MP's abstained all ov- over four it, you know. But once you start looking at it. I mean longtime trying not to annoy communist of you know. Thinking it was it was pointless to have go. Have a goal of many remain of were. And I think this is pointless. We need to bring people on board. We need to change mind. Wants to start looking at it through the prism that Corbin and the top leadership team and advise of actively won't Brexit and see it. There's an opportunity then you know, that that that that challenge. The view have rapidly. Everyone is sort of following. Labor internal politics knows that shame smell and carry Murphy are anti as the pro Brexit anti-people's vote. So there's all this talk about well, we're just doing this which is doing that it sort of as if nobody's noticed these. But that's exactly my reading of the situation that by doing this labor has taken one step, you know, hammering the nail into the second vote or people's people's vote second referendum idea. And I don't think that just as you know, some people might save their IRA for the conservative party. You know, don't forget what Labor's doing here. Don't forget. When labor is doing here and even more cynically labor is positioning itself as the party of remain, right? So many voters who are remain voters who are so pissed off at the Tories because of the position on Brexit claim to be labor supporters now, but kurban is leading them up the garden path just like the conservatives in another great. They're listening to members librarians. Liz Smith turned up libraries key with a petition for second referendum was turned away. Tv reported the MP waited from woolen ten minutes. And there was also by party stuff to send them an Email instead of great just fantastic optics. Still have people in still have people on Twitter telling me to way, I'm still have people think no way they're going. They're going to. It's still I'm so sick. There is no longer. We know what copen wants the only long. But the only question is whether he could be pushed into doing something that he and his close Advisors Don't want. Nobody thinks nobody rational things the copen is kind of secretly waiting to sort of knows it. And and shouldn't have thought that for very long time. He without old clips of his ear skepticism coming out. It's just and and I don't think he wants the general election before we leave. Anyway, I think he wants to make sure we leave, and then they'll be a general election, you know, because then you can blame the conservatives for Brexit. Whereas he can say, well, I had a principled position, you know, I supported permanent membership of the customs union, even though one remember voters. You know, if you if you're going on the foot of disaster socialism. Theory. You know that the it'll be it'll be the vast differing capital, then capitalize on it being the under somebody else's leadership under the Tori, Tori of leadership. The if you look at those times of transition period of quite a big threat, actually because it's a standstill transition period and nothing re nothing will really change for for for a couple of years, and then of its extended it's extended up to, you know, very close to twenty twenty twenty two election. So. Telling the needs times. And I got I got very worried by while the actual director this pretty much know political idea that I respect less than likes it. I to lead it that you can kind of launch radical socialist transformation on the back of a kind of right-wing xenophobic project. It's the homeopathy of breakfast. From a kind of from you'll kind of knowledgeable, Brussels perspective. What would need to what would need to happen? Is there a way that you think that however unlikely that the legs it could work as hoped? But I mean, I think to answer that question you need to win. We need them to form. What it exactly what exactly is it that they hope from that? They lex it seems to mean different things to different people. Generally just seems to mean, we don't like austerity, and we don't like what? Germany did degrees. I'm using air quotes. And therefore we should lead the so that we can digital stairs. But we all know, the if you leave the it is likely to result in the kind of economic damage that makes it simply unaffordable to digital staticy. So I know I know the short on says, no and on the state question. What? My feeling is always that. There are many many obstacles to kind of like mass renationalization before you hit those state-aid rules. What can you do within? What can you do within state tables? And what can't you do? So I'm going to slightly twist. You've question and go off the my pet typical typical. Because look it is fair to say that in recent years governments at the European level has had a slightly right flavor. And but that's because the centre-right of been predominant in both national governments and also in the European parliament. So somebody like me who is an outlet federalist, and I'm now speaking very much. In personal capacity. My idea might my dream would be to see a proper party political contest at the European elections. And to have a European Commission that represents a political platform that won most votes at the European action of MandA. Yeah. So, you know, so if you wanted to ditch say, for example, the kind of austerity politics that we have seen over the last decade. You would you it elect a political platform that had that as they manifesto now, we're not quite there yet? But the way to get there isn't simply to dissolve the it's not it's not the architecture. That's the problem. It's the people who are in those posts. That's the problem. I think that I think the the thing was like, well if you have a problem with the state aid rules, which do alive for rather low. I mean, you know, we it's a cliche like go around Europe and travel on all of the nationalized nationalized rail services, but there's a low you. Oh, you an awful lot. You can do. But the state aid rules are going to be there in a customs agreement. The state aid rules are going to be there and level playing field agreements that going to be there in an in an FDA actually you've well, so unless unless he told her no deal breakfast, you're talking about level playing field state aid rules still having to still happen to be on here to the thought of eliminating the point all you're going for true vaster with a not Alexis, which I think. Lexi, Lexi, no dealers a few and far between I think. Lots of logical is the logic of it. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, but it would be like a fun. It's fun version. It's the noise version of no Dale, isn't it? Just like disaster. But knowing with with with samba rhythms. Remember, remember, remember when we joined the when we joined the we I mean, I'm I'm a democrat. I'm certainly on the right? But when we joined the u we plowing money into British Leyland to try to get people to buy shit cars, like they'll leg grow and failing. And this is actually one of the reasons that we one of the reasons we joined the because we driven ourselves to the sick man of Europe through dreadful dreadful centralized industrial policies Fe. No, you gotta be careful careful what you wish for as Theresa May stunts the nation by saying she needs a bit more time. Let's move on to get more esoteric deep cuts solutions to this mess with the idea the MP's could break the deadlock by voting four maze deal. Whatever it is. What time we get to a vote provided? There's a guarantee of another referendum afterwards. Labor impedes Peter coil and Phil Wilson the pushing it the idea would be incorporated into the withdrawal Bill. And if the deal was rejected to the subsequent referendum. We'd stay in the gay. But if it passed in that referendum, we leave without legislation going back to the Commons. So it's a kind of do what is Norio? Would that work? I well I called birth. I wrote thread by in on November. I mean before the meaningful defender before the meaningful move. I thought they should the focus should have been and still should be an amendment to pass with withdrawal to pass meaningful vote, but with an amendment requiring exactly latte, and and to and to put it into law for the revolt of the referendum is this time actually is the decision and that either the government has to revoke article fifty or I'm on the on a yes. Yes. Revolt ratify revolt. Then the issue will be considered to be ratified then usually interim period to get all the rest of legislation through ready to go and it comes into fourth. If if that happens, I mean in the way that the the the ultimate vote referendum automatically change legislation ever of revolt of it. I don't I mean to be honest. I haven't really seen any other way for it to. To happen inland for a long enough extension for a referendum. The you're going to need to share the no deal of off the table. And it's going to be definitive and not to me over in the only way that can really be done. Yeah. If you the year, and you gave us an extension for at random. And now there was not that we very Dale after that. Yeah. I mean, they would be justified inches, but invading? Can you say? A native a lot of there's a little jitters around second referendum. And people kind of obviously like the idea of resing Brexit, but worry a lot amount. What is the sort of campaign would be like? How do you think it would? So you would plan. So theoretically, the scenario is possible. But I think if you measure up the political reality of where we are in the country. I just don't think by hook or by crook. There is either going to be a second referendum or that. There's going to be a revocation of article fifty now that's not to say that it, isn't my personal opinion. That remain would be debased choice for the UK in Europe. It's just my assessment of what the political reality is. So I honestly think that everything so much of what we're hearing is white noise and the only game in the town really is trees amazed deal, which her strategy is run that down your run that baby right down the eleventh hour or a no deal. And we might see an eleventh hour extension of article fifty and I would actually argue that an art extension of article fifty is now absolutely necessary. Even if her deal pasta Morrow because there's no way. Of getting the legislation through. But because I think it's important to be honest with our listeners, I believe that the only two options are realistically on the table or trees amaze deal with some tinkering, some keyhole surgery around the withdrawal with around the backstop or or no deal. So, unfortunately, I have to say with a heavy heart that I just don't think it's politically realistic. But that there will be a second referendum or a revocation of article fifty. I can I can imagine I can imagine being a situation either island March or at the end of a short extension wearing emergency reveal whether it's so much pressure for an emergency revocation. I mean, we talked about looking over the cliff and seeing the rocks. And you know, we've all underestimated how long it'll take to do that. We thought people would see it in the autumn. Little people would say in the winter. Maybe it actually takes us to be within a week or two. I can imagine a sort of panic stricken to the PM waking up in the morning panic-stricken going shit. We're actually we're going to have to revoke its proper no deal. We're going to have to revoke it. But as usual, I think the whole thing kind of comes down to and this is a horrible situation. We find ourselves in. It comes down to the psychology of Theresa May. And I was trying to pick the psychology. And if she really if wedded to the deal, and she wants it, she she wants to be the PM that leaves leaves the EU, and she wants to be the PM that got the deal, we leave on. And that was the primary thing that actually. A pivotal a referendum makes a lot of sense because you basically go to fifty fifty chance of that happening where she may have a zero chance of of that happening in the certain point. But I mean, I I agree with you the psychology probably doesn't point in that way. And she actually probably would take also just simply beyond Theresa May herself. You know, I've worked for many years since twenty thirteen with a lot of the faction, which are now Brexit tears conservative MP's who've now become hard Brexit. Here's a look at how the debate has shifted from twenty sixteen where this will be the easiest trade deal in the world with so many advantages to re sooner where rationing would be a good thing for this country, and we can withstand the pain of no deal exit. I think those emotions cannot be underestimated, and I just don't think the status quo, ante is on the table. I just think the country has changed. So my calculus is that if the choice was between A revokation article fifty v no deal then. It would be a no deal. But there's only a very small number of MP's. The the one thought though. Levers for seventy seven. Yeah. The seventy or eighty but live that makes five hundred more than five hundred very specifically don't want. No deal. Yes. But then the question is would would the MP's who favored remain go for Theresa May's deal. Instead. Absolutely. Yeah. So so in this scenario where? It's just getting to the point where it's either no Taylor. Theresa May steal. Can't could labor there could labor support trees May's deal. Yeah. I know be. Yeah. I'm afraid 'cause obviously that's still better than no deal. It just seems like they if it's stood cutting. They aren't keeping all that kind of options open. But it seems like they basically they they get why they let no deal happen. And therefore get partly blamed for it or they helped make Brexit happen. They'll get partly blamed for. I think ultimately that's how the deal will get through because they'll be kind of tacit approval by Jeremy Corbyn to allows 'em piece to vote for the next elections going to be grim because he remember if if what we said about him is far interpretation of him. Suss far is right. He wants the UK to leave and then have a general election. So he can get the deal over the line. Or tacitly tells them to support the deal because he actually doesn't wanna know deal Brexit either. And then you can go and focus on building. His will maybe does. But, you know, blame it on the Tories get that done and then concentrate on building the socialist utopia can see some marginals where he's going to have a lot of fun. Convincing. Students hands. Whatever convincing remain is who delivered those constituencies in two thousand seventeen to vote from again having enabled break. I would count myself as one of those. So if you're facing general election where it's Boris Johnson. Who I think has you know, a good chance of becoming the next conservative leader. So popular amongst the grassroots versus Corbin who are you gonna vote for? That's my question to all my friends. I mean, I mean, we we we have a fundamental problem hit with the with with with political system, which is that they rely on the fact that most people simply don't have an alternative except voting from one of the two, and if both, and this is why we got ourselves into such terrible situation where we've been told that eighty percent of the people voted for Brexit. Yeah. She's all for don't underestimate the power of extension of well full mom this as well. Now, they're quick fine. News round because Brexit's producing more news than we conceive Leslie knowledge of Russia's new Brexit party. How is this any different from UK? Let's no racist. Apparently. Well, I'm sure know what you would know he he never strayed crossed that line. One of reference with the open for tax purposes. You know, it's open just to flush money into to get rid of some accents. Accents. For all lift select squeaks out, and you party. Everybody has. But every time anybody talks about a new realignment the represents. It's very frustrating. I mean, what constituency is there for a Brexit party? The isn't UK go to no. No labor on the conservatives. A burning platform as long as the conservative party. And the labour party are backing Brexit. But I mean, his his pitch will be they know all the. I need to see plenty of people walking around high street's with leaf means leave placards and you seeing the posters pop-ups. I guess there's people around there. And I don't know what proportion of the population have that vociferous. Kind of you know, sentiment that leave means leave, and let's leave now, and we don't need a deal. But what's certainly true? Is that just like communism nine Farraj is going to cl- always this is inevitable. But he was always going to claim that you know, when Brexit didn't materialize in the way that it was meant to it's because it wasn't implemented properly. So there will be enough of a demographic that he can capitalize on, you know, those those extreme feelings of aggravated and sometimes when you do meet these people in, you know, they're protesting around parliament all the time. It is quite astonishing. You know, just how the Sieff arrests. They are you know, how much they hate the EU. It's quite alarming. We'll we'll puzzling us by the Brexit. Fundamentalism you compare that example. Know, the kind of Notre communist against cyber unit was real communists. We haven't tried it yet. But that sort of based on obviously the interpretation of the writings of Marx and getting wicked. We haven't we haven't got there yet in the same way that Christians fundamentalist Christians will go. Well, you know, we they turned to the bible, but there's no text Brexit. They just keep making it up on. Yes. She's like, this isn't what breaks it means. It's like, well, what do you mean what you said Brexit meant in two thousand sixteen or what you've just decided yesterday. The Brexit means. So it's kind of fundamentalism based on a moving is the coffee table book that will be coming out presumably this Christmas. If they have any sense of the collective posters of led by donkeys. Based tanks. That tax cuts. When you have this with arguments. Well, you have you have got article got article twenty four everyone. Shouts boatlift for a couple of weeks. It's it's it's shown it shouldn't be bullshit. Then they just move onto Leonard just move onto the next one. What's whatever, the whatever the lady Br break close break now break cloven at national. That'll be for a week or two. And then it'll be next one. And they don't care whether it's true or not it makes no difference whatsoever. It's. Drifter vehicle. Incidentally, that's what the kind of R G, and you know, supervision, anti you side of the conservative party's been doing for years. They're constantly moving the goalposts. They're doing it now with the backstop. Don't forget the backstop is actually a huge concession to what the UK's negotiating red lines talking about leaving. Easiest trade deal in history. Struck over t. So Tuckey of vehicles onto ferries seaborne. Freight loses contract to run existent varies out of Ramsgate. It's a dead end world. Austin boy, Chris railing who pronounced himself baffled by criticism of the fourteen million pounds, imagine revote deal and then claim no public money being spent even though eight hundred grand on consultants. What does Greyling have to do to get sucked? Can anything stop his writing of incompetence econ living dead cat? He's perfect. You just wha-. However, Bodley may screwing up. They've Chris cradling being dead cat brings on the table. Destruction. He's there as her foil. Absolutely. I'm not as bad as grilling. To get sake. Hit get signed it needs salt succeeding. He's result. Freaking them out. Just like getting stuff done. Oh now, he's dangerous. Great story in the standard yesterday. I think I saw Twitter that grilling had had shouted at a couple of people at a football match that he thought were he's always sitting in his seat, and he got very angry with them. And then had had to explain to impatiently two or three times the his seats were actually further and. Further of the island, very clearly numbered. And I mean, I think they're really just shows the Tolan so that he would obviously naturally assume that someone else would go wrong, even though everyone else in the UK in that security when naturally fume of Chris Christie. There's an episode of the Simpsons where there's a TV program with a cop called Simpson and home Israeli delighted, but then they decide he's cool character. And then after the fest of episodes, they signed to re make the show as a comedy and Homer Simpson is now this bungling keeps getting everything wrong. And his catchphrases owes spaghetti os. And I feel like that's Chris Greyling, and stuck in a real life sitcom version of himself was just needs a catchphrase. Yeah. There's no fairies Greyling. Oh. Yeah. And I speaking a Chris like another. You know, I true facts both as the first of April. Good good, man. If too many jokes. Sublime comic Carrington. Well, Kevin Williamson has got a plan to convert ferries into Royal Marines assault boats two weeks ago. He said he convert naval warships into ferries. Now, he wants to convert them back. Swapping boats round needed. What what's going on in the head of Garin Williams? Yeah. You know is he smoking. No, this is I mean, it's ridiculous. As Defense Secretary when he came out and said, you know, Brexit would be a chance for the UK to kind of step up in the world, and you know. Sale ferries or Nitin its new aircraft carrier into the South China seas where it'd be like shot down by the Chinese immediately. But the only explanation I have for this is that he wants to be conservative party leader. And if you want to be conservative party leader, you go to amp up the rhetoric and talk utter a turn on since. And that's clearly what he's doing. Because if you look at it from a defense and security aspect, not only is Brexit, severely damaging to the UK's defense and security status in the world. I mean, I work with the former NATO secretary general, it's very damaging it isn't making us better. But also the world is evolving in new and very scary way. So while he has his you know, ferries that he can sail into the South China Sea. What are we doing about cyber what are we doing about tournaments weapons? Not. And it's it's a shame that this guy is our Defense Secretary. You know, the guy that said. Actin should just shut up and go away. It is it's like my ten year old maid defense. And I just getting let's transform the ferries into transformers. What was into sky dome? No. It's it's just something. In direction. I it. He he is if you like the epitome of English exceptionalism of his mad exceptionalism, there's lack of self-awareness this lack of a points of reference in in the world. I mean, he he said in the same breath. The he was looking to make the UK's on forces more lethal wasn't more lethal. Yes. Alex and honks the UK's lethality while at the same time, he called on Member States to block any move towards and he Hami as as if firstly does it they get into listened to govern Williams and not the what he just said. But Secondly, this sort of arrogant delusional nonsense is exactly why there is now more and more talk in these overnight. You army the EU is now talking very seriously about what what we call strategic autonomy. Because of what's going on the world, you e-content avoid that you have to the Yonker in his state of the union speech. This this year talked about European sovereignty all of these things, of course, one really on the table during the whole of the Brexit Reverend discussion despite people saying that they were now are on the table, ironically Brexit, but of course, they have to we the house to do this. Otherwise, it will face increasing threats. And if we don't do this. We would be. Be utterly remission defensive as values citizens, but the both in the film which of breakfast if. If a wet dream of little boys feeling Tinguely with old Spitfires and an rocket launchers and interventions and refusing to refusing to accept the wall is actually means hundreds of people dead on battlefields and live ruined instability in on, you know, it's it's really bad people who. A large element that is about people who feel who feel small who've failed politically often integrate Smith phone, you know, feeling big and feeling like the big man and feeling like they they getting getting something back, and I'm just absolutely pathetic little boys with toys, but it's a whole country playing with so. Regular snus will die when it comes to struggle against the bleakness of the Brexit story. Say we've come up with an Alan Partridge like ambit- to keep it light for the big question for the penalty tweet. This week's question is which country should be obliged to leave the EU at the same time as us of Jesus. Any reason any reason that you that you want? The no the no actually going to do it. You safe? I call them possibly treat that question. You would like because. Look very much not wearing fish lab. I'm sorry to keep his I'm gonna get in such trouble him about dog. Finding light question hungry, obviously. Yeah. I was going to say hungry. We deserve. Because we if we go if we've got Copenhagen criteria that effort reason, these are the criteria of democracy in values. And so on the countries have to fulfil before they can considered for membership. And if an actual member begins consistently, you those values and fall off those criteria. Then the needs to be some kind of consequences. We should have stuck with the old classic racist. I think yeah, you're right. They should go. But also we should be punished by constantly with them. With my hat on a cough. One country being being falsely leave the same time as the rest of the UK against its will. Which would just Scotland. I know I think maybe I think maybe Spain just for giggles. So the so the both countries foreign policy for both countries foreign policy could become absolutely enveloped by the Gibraltar question. The. Yeah. The only thing we talked about it for the next ten years could feature. Steve, Bullock, and Chris KENDALL cake. What's our special guests, and you'll be able to answer this one one of these saying in the moola Fritz Jew in some Russell's we have. Have they have they got to the kind of just go will ready stage. I mean how much goodwill have we managed to piss away? Oh, go. Most of it all know. No. So as I mentioned earlier the mood the morning off the referendum was really bleak. It was it was very bleak. And there were his and. But. Fairly quickly things moved on and people got on with the large and golden with Jobson. It looked as if some serious dangerous past because we had a couple of other elections in Australia and Italy where people thought okay, this is a flash in the pan. The domino fell the wrong way. Dominates is standing. And for the last two years outside the little bubble of of Brits. In brussels. Who of course, are actually consumed by this now, I would often have colleagues who work, you know, right in the middle of all of this kind of stuff coming up and saying. Brexit, wet wet where where that now that's changed over the last few weeks as we we we move towards the Brexit dates. And increasingly you're getting coverage of what's been happening in parliament. For example, all the coverage of what's been happening in palm. So don't of course. Now, a big star across your people now. Maybe what he loves doing that meetings. Is it's quite fun. That'd be kind of good back then be things. I didn't know that. I was I won't say which meeting it was. But let me tell you. It was quite senior meeting the person sharing that meeting the beginning of the big in the meeting. We were chatting takeaways do stead. L about laughing. And this was a bread. This was in town tonight. So yes. So that's that's that's pun punch to the public consciousness in Brussels. But no, I mean, I think you know, we've heard some very interesting things the last couple of weeks from from Donald tusk from from Sabina von now, speaking out publicly, and we very much get the sense that. Very nice. Just fucking getting met Gabby on and do this because we absolutely fucking sick of this. And we go stuff to be doing. So let's say hope springs eternal that we managed to somehow find a way to not leave the European Union. How much making up to? Would we have to do presumably would not be Theresa May during the making up? So you've got a new new minster of some description. Second. Telegraph call him. You know, he probably I'm not. Oh, okay. No, the vision fools apply here. But the idea for Johnson to build bridges. But like how even if we manage to stay in? How far back have we been set the idea that we would just go, right? Okay. Now, a staying in you're going to need to give us this time the other nearly delusional. I mean, I'm sorry to save the lead not leave argument is I'm afraid very very unrealistic. Yeah. I think that. If if we hit the revoke button, we would go back in exactly as we were prior to the referendum with all the same pucks in the same sweet sweet deal that we we have. Legally, but politically politically. Yeah. There's a mountain to climb. And I think we're quite a long way from the mountain. So I'm we we need to travel to the base camp. And then start climbing before we he goes in Nepal. Yeah. And of course, the sad thing is is that despite, you know, this what is now become conventional wisdom that the UK had no influence in the EU. I mean, it was nonsense. See the U K. If you buy into the lead, not leave argument that should have been done before the referendum. Not now. I mean, it had an extraordinary amount of influence and had the UK stayed in the future of the European Union. Could be looking very different. But it's too late for that. Now. No, I think you need you need to have a period of a few years. Here's a few years of shutting the fuck up and say, Dan. But although actually look looking for looking for opportunities. For cooperation and for supporting for supporting different Member States, visions, and so on I mean, it needs some diplomacy which to be fair, you get diplomats working level have been have been doing all along. I mean, most people don't realize that people have still been going to work in groups and still be making interventions and so on and you know, trying to keep the trying to keep relationships alive for whatever happens afterwards. The difference is now when the make interventions the reply from everybody is I do think that you will good. Okay. I think. The UK needs political reform. That's not Brussels speaking at we will know that it needs political reform if political reform were to happen. And we go to a a sensible government in place, and there are plenty of central politicians in both parties who could fantastic oven. I think things very quickly changed. But it just seems very unrealistic at this moment, given given the way both parties are given the way up little system is the shame about the current lead. Not leave campaign. That it's so exceptional left. And it's it's it again selling selling selling selling a unicorn. But in fact, as you exactly as Nina set, the should've been the like, we are leading we only leading not leaving, and we were leading and we can again, and even even now I mean, we can again things move fast event happen Russia invades places, and we could again, but it would require this interim period, and we should we should be honest with people by that. It's really unreasonable not to be the slogan. I like is remain in reform, but reform us not them. No one's vulnerable selves. I'm on the last Kate what she talked to her Brexit in the context of mental health that this raw majoritarianism split. Brit into winners and losers and that sort of bad for the mental health of this sort of self-styled winners and the losers. And I think this is something that sort of kind of fumbles up in show, sometimes various one of us who has had a particular sort of rough wing with this with this stuff. Do you think that this is kind of an US? She said that this wasn't something that was to it's well that much you get so much interested in policy and what's happening in parliament. And actually, this kind of the psychological impact that it's having on people is is really not spoken about an up, and you had a really good reaction when it was brought up. I part of it is part of it is a symptom of symptom of the thing itself. I mean, what when you kind of drive the Louvre and a window earn Ramon event. Right. A lot of buyers. How you how you not coping? And you know, it feels like what a loser you are. And you know, all of that stuff. But yeah, people people are people are extremely extremely worried about it. Because I mean, I would with a group called final say all which from the beginning of being a by trying to get personal stories out because what we realized quite early on. I will Nikki who stabbed a real-life quietly on if you tell people personal stories about how your -ffected even if they're levers, even if the really quite right wing, the tend to say, oh, well, I never I mean, I didn't really want laptop. And you know, I didn't actually won't even your husband to end up being separated or. Whole people aren't really horrible. You know? Exemplified certain section and set about a certain set of attitudes. So yeah. They north what we find personal stories. They north numbers of people who in you know, what might seem small way to an outsider has something which of creating very very very deep deep anxiety children university. We're gonna go into who are going to study abroad or a friend with a business or export for the how how connected, and I think people only realizing how connected people's lives their own life was to team members. You thanks is very deep in it, and it will cover lots of different things because these individual things that affect you or affect your friends or your family, but they've all of this sort of, you know, extension dread about what this means for the future of western Europe. The future of European stability the future of. Before national order what kind of world, you know, your children are going to find. All these different. Like, you said this that kind of defense IT, there's also just think so IT not knowing what's going down Furton to you. There's also this kind of bullshit and gas lighting, you see it like I went on Twitter this morning and just ended up getting so. Impotently cross because there was just all this stuff flying air and even us, and you know, you can just and you cannot see some people, you know, there's definitely tweets that I've deleted Cabela's. Just like, do you know what I was just letting this kind of rage get on top of me, and this kind of people on the on the remain side where you just think. You know that tweets come from a dog place and try and show. Some sort of empathy is when the being held up as well. Look what these people are saying, it's like, I think that's actually a you know when people snap. It kind of leave is leave is do lose their jobs. That's not actually the voice of remain. And I think it's just people who are people using lash out trying to that takes its toll done. We we spoke to the talk about why we stunt the podcast. But actually what we should have said the main reason is simply a coping mechanism. This is a it's a much healthier coping mechanism than Twitter angry. Well, I mean, that's what we coming from realizing that that's very unhealthy million satisfied customers. But something else you talked about is how how sort of Brexit his his radicalized that you quite interesting took disagreement about this as well. I think about whether it's engine might go about how Brexit it's radicalized millions of people, and this certainly people are more passionate about Europe and more knowledgeable about Europe on the whole. Then of course, they were for the referendum. A lot of people that you talk to you. Now Clinton the guests on the show didn't give that much thought. And now they kind of really passionate we got that energy of the live shows as well. And the question that sort of comes up. Well, where does that? Go because there's a movement that seven hundred thousand people marching for people's vote. If you don't get the people's vote. I think a lot of these people are just gonna well what what do I do next? So what what's the sort of positive scenario of of the sort of the legacy of this whole process, and this sort of really a massive political awakening. Well, it seems to me that there are three directions it can go. Assuming relieve an and in the first is sinking into apathy, an and dismay and discontent in the second is into rejoin rejoining as possible and the third is into well, you know, what I system is broken we need to reform system. And I mean, I would hope that it focuses on the loss to, but especially the last one because I think there's not much point in putting their effort into rejoining until we reform system hit there's so much that needs reform in the UK, and all of that energy could be very usefully pointed in that direction. I think so many so many of us have woken up to the manifest failings of our democracy. Which is a good thing. It's a good thing that we will woken up to that. But when we do something, but I suppose in America, you look you look to America, and they they've been woken up by Trump. So what you do you elect a democrat? You get rid of Trump. There's there's a very obvious route to support all that. Well, I think political parties we're going to have a job on the hand to deal with what you know that a large portion of. Essentially a relatively politically dough foul population. Have. Now, he thought that there was nothing. They could do to change anything have now shown the the that. They can you know. I mean, we've had this before, you know, year ago, people were laughed at for talking about people fo the idea of stopping Brexit now, you know, and leave a now mainstream things explained on the BBC website and thorn, and whatever happens that's created a great movement, and it made an extensively vol- through listen to it. And now, you have all these people who can who can put that activism into other things. I mean, put into mental health, advocacy, but it into anti-poverty stuff put it into. The they've really the, and this is something that the parties are going to have to have to deal with because no party activist for the old. Maybe party von going to get away with the same stuff. And they've also the idea of calling a fact checking of cooling of calling bull bullshit. Which would full of automatic reflex night where the automatic reflex move most people in two thousand fourteen was oh, if it's if it's in if it's in a quality equality newspaper on the BBC, it's probably true. So this guy is politics is going to have to deal with this. And I don't think it really I don't think politics realize it's going to have to do. Yeah. I think individuals who have to find the thing that matters most to them that might be sort of fighting for kind of immigration, and again, kind of Santa Fe Rick policies or climate change issues or like said, so the media monitoring as there isn't going to be one vessel for all of that energy. There's I think there's a much bigger macro issue at stake here, and I would say that Brexit is, you know, a tiny iteration of that. And I would say, you know, the very kind of political system, which we have come to take for granted that being the kind of liberal democratic model going with free and open markets, which has literally given us the period of peace and prosperity best known in human history. Is coming under severe pressure, and people seem to believe that this is a natural state of affairs to live in political system like this. And it isn't it's a historical normally. So that's why I would say it's very important to be important to honest with people who want to people's vote now because they identify with these kind of values because if that doesn't happen, and I I think it won't happen. I think we'll leave. There's a much bigger fight on our hands here, which it goes beyond the UK at goes beyond Europe. And actually it spreads out globally. Another breakfast. Will will historically Brexit will look like a proxy for something else? The end of the show is coming up and the Brexit time captured is calling from its lead lined silo Christmas. Steve you both get to contribute something to our cash with things that will miss or need. If Brexit goes ahead. You know, I listen to your shave so long and often asked myself what we went ask. Ask what would and you know, I had Real IRA struggled with this. But I think it's respects. Honestly, I think it's my personal respect for UK institutions is has taken a real beating. I think are collectively I respect for each other. Our political opponents respecting difference of opinion. And you know, you respect for the UK has taken a real hammering. So I mean all of this. We miss what I won't miss is the lack of respect that you get from you Kip. Emmy peas in the European oh my God. We'll be so happy to be shown. Give him a sendoff. I'm I'm I'm tempted to say it's kind of stealing it from Nina, I'm tempted to say liberal democracies but saying that I'll miss, but that's maybe tube league. I think thing I'll miss is being cool. Cool. No personally. But but but but the UK being cool. I mean, I think people really don't realize what incredibly successful brand and bit of power. It was I remember being in Atlanta riots and the person we visiting picking up in the Union, Jack roofed, mini, you know, and everybody just stopped and stopped everybody stopped instead as she careered around the corner in this Italian jobs Dominy, you know, just how unbelievably cooler was if you if you if you put a gig on in Brussels, the ten for the nationality of the people in the band, if you put kale US people come people just come to. But what would come from the cool stuff come from? And this is gone. Frat closing foreign language clip. We offer some Klingon and we Don well got some Klingon. We didn't ask her screaming. No way he'd given us. Here's listen to voca. Tanga boldly going where maniacs has never gone before. With some actual Klingon on the short parable. It comes from col VO fish caucus dudes. She. View. The wind does not respect the food. Reality does not respect the food. So be smart decide fast. 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Goldmine: Documentaries that rock with Harvey Kubernik

Rock N Roll Archaeology

1:26:03 hr | 10 months ago

Goldmine: Documentaries that rock with Harvey Kubernik

"This goldmine editor Pat. Prints and welcome back to the gold mine podcast. A proud part of panty and podcasts. This episode of the mine podcast will be talking about rock and roll documentaries, films, and video footage. Why? Because celebrated music historian Harvey. Coober Nick. Author of their Wonderful Two Thousand Twelve Book Canyon of dreams the Magic in the music of Laurel Canyon as released the book. DACAS that rock music that matters just this year it's a five hundred twenty page paperback of interviews, documents and artifacts what hundreds of photos published by other world cottage industries. The book focuses on the visual aspect of music whether it's a movie like easy rider. Like all things must pass wages a great documentary on Tower Records done by Colin Hanks, the son of actor, Tom Hanks or vintage TV shows like American bandstand and should dig and others. Harvey Interviewed Plethora of Rockstars, insiders like recording engineers photographers, cinematographers. Documentary movie makers, and even distributors involved at all the visual creative works centered around music that matter Harvey Kovac as some of you might know is a native of Los. Angeles, and he has been tuned in the music and entertainment industry for decades almost sense as birth. So yes, he's got a lot of insider stories to tell. So you will WANNA listen to any time he's on the podcast. So let's get connected to Harvey Harvey Kuba. Nick to the goal line podcast, it's always a pleasure to have you. Excited to be here PAT. I know we we did one a few years ago and you know the soft spot I have for. Goldmine magazine in that demographic you know many many decades ago I wrote for the periodical and that continued over and you still do anything. Listen you know I it's interesting to write. For a magazine and then months later or a few years later they're reviewing books you've done. So, I guess the duality is really benefiting these. So I'm happy to be here in talk about this latest. Venture well, you have a wonderful book out called Docks that rock and it's called with the subline music that matters and what I liked about it at fills a void about music documentaries which I think and I'm sure you'll agree have become even more popular now since the since the age of streaming and Net flicks and you have more availability to them if you will they're almost more right in your face to choose than they were before we kind of seek them out. Correct. Correct I did a book in two thousand six spent hinted at did exam and. music documentaries, but it also went into the world of music supervision. And you know VAT arena This time all along. I've been collecting data and doing research. On. Music films DVD's videos. items are going back to Betamax and I decided. I mean, this goes back to nineteen. Seventy, five interview I did with Johnny cash that was published in melody maker. I asked him about his television show. The Johnny cash show. Very Popular Nineteen, sixty, nine to nineteen seventy-one ABC television series. which came out on DVD ten years ago. And I just started realizing I have access being a native Angelino in child of Hollywood. That when. Film festivals were happening or the. Salutes and landmark avent's of music documentaries we're going on DVD or streaming platforms or just shall we say events? Where some of the documentarian who are eighty and ninety years old coming town? I better start really dealing long-form interviews with these people I met them over the decades and I had profiled them before. But I felt I'm going to develop a book. Where we? We then? Music. Documentaries that I've. I have history with that I've collected that people know about or should find out about and then sprinkle in some music television shows because it was the music TV shows of the late fifties and the sixties whether it be. Declared American bandstand or Shindig hosted by Jimmy O'Neill or Hullabaloo TV series and especially. Upbeat. Winch originated from. CLEVELAND. These were the TV shows where I. You know I wasn't even a teenager yet saw rock and roll on TV and now what we're seeing and I know your audience. Knows this we're starting to see these TV shows in these film clips. Showing up on Youtube or. Hula. But also they're being. Re purposed for long form documentaries on people and all of a sudden these TV appearances. have become, very valuable and. I. Actually danced briefly on American bandstand and actually dance on Shebang not that I had some sort of agenda two you know show up on Broadway Dancer one day. I. Just went to schools where they gave tickets away and you could You could meet some of the acts or at least you know you get a pack of Gum something showing at the TV studio that everybody took the bus together you know to go. And it really informed My. Lifelong. Love of music and cinema but I, think this book. it became very timely because During this pandemic. We've all been sort of landlocked. And what what are we doing? We're reading more books we're watching more TV were subscribing more than ever to net flix we're discovering. Marley has a Youtube Channel I. Sit at some of Sullivan Utah Channel, and all of a sudden I had this book and development for many years because I was had just finished a book with my brother on Jimi Hendrix and the publication got back to next year. And I realize this pandemic thing is really not going away for a while. So I. Said to travel pike. I have a book here. It needs to come out. and he said the magic words you can make an as long as you want. Me and gold miner readers know this especially when I'm giving online venue. I like doing five, ten and twenty thousand word stories. So when I'm giving the green light to do, you can have five hundred pages. Instead of three hundred. And and I just didn't recycle old you know interviews I've done I made it a point to bring a lot of new interviews that I. Did you know February March April and May and into June and And now we have a book in I mean for somebody like you and your readership reviewers. I I don't think there's another book like it out there all of a sudden the timing of this. Is really connecting but and you're seeing some of the initial reviews, rights and I really tap the nerve here Um so you know I'm delighted but you know just three of the when people are so receptive to it because like gold mine. I knew that there are people out there. Looking at this book. They may discover the movie rumble. They may actually go buy the DVD of the Dylan Penny. Baker don't look back they might really go and find the deluxe edition of standing in the of standing in the shadows of motown right So part of Part of the mission is to be of service. But also I just. Wasn't there. Somebody was putting out a documentary whether it be. You Know Bang the burn story. I. Mean. The list is analysts it's it's sort of all there. I thought I thought it was what was special by reading a book is that like you said You are part of the city of angels you were born there. You always lived there. You'll always involved in the community especially music, the music community and what I loved by reading the book is the fact that you were involved even before you became a writer, you were going to American bandstand and the crowd Um you're part of it and I love reading about and I think it's special for readers to read behind the scenes and the Dick Clark the Dick Clark section is special because he talks about one thing that I thought was interesting and we both spoken to you know. Artists of that era that the British invasion artists and a lot of them hated. That period of music variety TV shows because they had to limp lip sync and there you have. Dick Clark telling you that lip synching was an art form. Itself and I got such an interview out of Dick Yeah and again. I'm only basing this on. You know fifty emails, a dozen early reviews and phone calls. I'm getting this books on been out a few weeks. I have completely reframed. Dick Clark in the mind of people. which was not my goal up checked and I realized. I met him a few times over the decades I've been on banned Stanford, brief season and sixty six. But you see these people you go over the years I've invited to the American music awards when I go to some award show. But I realize. Okay, I'm GonNa go do ninety minutes clerk's office today. I have history with him. I really did watch happening sixty eight I. Really wasn't some tapings of where the action is. I really. Didn't see the Mamas and Papas and Bob Lynn on American bandstand and. I actually have such a good memory. I actually like always mentioned the people I danced with are the guys I went to the show as. I still talk to by the way, all these people I'm still in contact with and something happens. Something happens in happened when I'm able to go see a Dick Clark. And saying something off the top of my head. Hey, do you still speak to famous hooks who was a lead dancer on American bandstand and he said was just on the phone with him when you walk into the office. And that sets the tone of destiny. And happens is it okay Dick Clark and I are going to talk about the Beatles today we're going to talk about. The early tours where they're horrific racial incidents that he witnessed or try to save. And it sort. Of. Sets. The vibe for the whole book that I'm so well prepared. And I really do my research and all out work anybody then. When you are the Messenger like I am. And you're the translator of the interview. Brings, something different to the table that nobody else can get? and. Here I am. And have all the pieces in this book and I'm here to discuss whatever you want. I know what? It's for somebody like you who's entrenched in this music from fifty two to contemporary sounds. You learned a lot about Dick Clark and you kind of thought you knew a whole lot about him but even something. Frivolous as being as lip synching or talking about you know other other aspects of his journey. Finished that chapter in you go. This is a different kind of music book. Yet, fills in the gaps of history because you've heard Clark talk a million times about what he thinks rock and roll roll was and what it stands for. You know you don't hear talking about the little things about lip synching or any of those little things that went on during the time that only someone like a gold mine reader would wonder about you know what I mean and I think that's very special and it the reader will get out of this stat. Since you were part a lot of a lot of TV variety shows you know out there in La and you were part of it and. You know the fact that you were there makes it feel like they can live through your. You know they can live through your experience. Until by the way until recently, when I would occasionally mentioned my own regional history and articles I've done. Yes. I remember getting twenty emails one day in one was from we'll just call him a former friend. And and that's all I want and it's a friendship I miss. But I was really done wrong. and. He read something and actually put it out on one of those threats. Things remember I'm not very active and social media. No really website no instagram I don't do facebook I I'm I'm you know I'm too busy living and writing? But The the email said. You always gotta drop yourself into your pieces. Survive had a name dropper aspect to it. And then it was followed by other people including people sending me emails, people, they know because they. Would forward it to me instead of handing out my contact at a saying. Can Harvey put more more of himself in his next book. Yes. I didn't know he danced or I just saw him on a film clip of I in La it's on it's on Youtube and all of a sudden everybody and this is Travis Pike. This is people involved in my concentric circle of breaking the books to the to the retail world. Were saying like Harissa saying you know I really liked that you. Knew Jim Clark I really liked that you met Casey Kasem your you did six interviews with Da Kenny Baker over fifteen years. I keep you need to let people know but but then Dan Daniel Weisman who's an author and a writer said to me. You know what's really funny about your stuff. I always wanted to tell you to put more of your personal history because. You actually are Hollywood person I realized. You. Know I did go to some tapings. Shindig. Went. I recall of of what the four tops were wearing even though the show was broadcast and black and white I remember those green near Destin sued. So I encouraged to put a bit more of myself in this book a handful of photos of me when appropriate. And And even having to. You Know A. It, just called for. 'cause I'm not an academic I'm not a professor who teaches at college though I lecture at some schools. I just Kinda thought I have this history I did meet Jimmy O'Neill who hosted Shindig I have these encounters and from Johnny cash on down and interviewed the funk brothers when the motown movie came out why not just put A lot of stuff on the pizza this time like extra garlic and extra harvey is somebody said to me and I said, you know what? Right now, I'm in a space where I don't care what people say about my work or my writing. Because I'm really employed. And I know that the articles and the books are reaching global. Penetration but the KARMIC aspect of it. Is I just Kinda know. Some young kid or some girl or some grandfather. is going to maybe by the Johnny cash show DVD or checkout. Alison Elwood's you know Laurel Canyon a place in time documentary they main rediscover the concert for Bangladesh would celebrate the fiftieth anniversary a year from now, they might pick up their first ever Otis redding DVD. From reeling in the hills years production. I'm I'm actually the guy. Who just might change their lives by taking up not a record or not streaming any recordings having to? Physically, purchase. A DVD. or at least watch it online somewhere or streaming pay paywall service. People have to get invested when you're dealing with a music documentary art form it's one two three hours not counting the bonus Steph you and all the gold mine people relish. So these are this is beyond suggesting a record in somebody's top ten this is actually saying. Hey kids. Hey, everybody. You might have missed these movies or you saw them only in a movie theater which are forbidden to see again. in the in the festivals of DVD's rock docs and all that aren't happening the pandemic. So now, there's a book serves as sort of a tour guide. And you know that really wasn't the main goal. I had all these interviews with filmmakers I made it a point. To always talk to engineers, producers am filmmakers and I I'll often we'd get you know early advanced links to see stuff much like you. You do it gold mine when you get the advanced link from a record label and because there weren't too many people trying to, I, mean I'm on a second volume of this thing this is fourteen years later after the first navigation. So the the timing's really worked out, but also I just Kinda know. People's minds change after checking this book out, they don't look at rock and wool movies ever the same again there's this thing is so frontloaded with front loaded with data. It'll take a year for this book to be Jiji Justed when she started. And know basically people are. Will be turned on to new things like you said, and they'll be able to live vicariously through your experience and that is unique and i. also like the fact and I think. I think you should also bring up the fact that you use sources not just from the music industry or musicians but from academia till one such person you turn to Dr James Cushioning I believe he's. Academia, right. Maybe you could explain to listeners who he is. You know he was the phone call before you today. Okay Dr James Cushing who? A month ago retired after thirty three years. As. A professor of International. Literature Cal. Poly. San Luis Obispo. Age. But also he's the guy I came up with the term rocket DEMOC. He just wasn't your usual professor on campus for thirty five years. He was. He was an active disc jockey on places like KPFK FM and KTBS FM in Central Coast California. So there's the duality that he was a disc jockey. Through his college years through his. Academic. Life. And the most one of the most hardcore record collectors ever He just cover. He's the guy go to. Dylan concerts with he's close with my brother they. Think go off jazz land sometime in leads A. Guy Who's going to go by the Five L. P. Son Rob box set for record store day. You know what I mean, but he has been. Again, he watched the development of this book we go. We went to see some of these movies together in the theater than we would dialogue after. Then, I would say You know I'm writing about this movie rumble. what did you think of it? and I, and then diff about don't look back I could ask him about Penny Baker I could ask him about Murray Lerner in the festival movie and. We. Have seen these things in Movie Theaters or at Film Festivals. We eagerly awaited. Their arrival on video thirty years ago. We re gobbled it when they came out on DVD with some bonus tracks or director commentary. We still are discovering the outtakes and extended versions on the Internet visa via you know youtube or sometimes these filmmakers and these musicians on their own websites postings. And I would say over the years I've got a lot of Fan mail or people that you know bookstores coming up to me going. I just bought my boyfriend, the Monterey Pop. Deluxe edition dvd I read about it. Online like they don't they don't they read about it in gold miner Mo jo or the La Times or places that I've written things for. You I never knew this this Internet thing would completely. enhance. My retail visibility so that if you write about Monterey pop or concert for Bangladesh, you're right there on Google. It's so it's the article like you know some of my gold mine items are out there. They're ten twenty and thirty years old if they've been digitized. And all of a sudden people are. They're not buying a band they're not buying a brand. They're actually going the extra yard at checking out of movie or a DVD or a deluxe edition. You know version of something they might have gotten ten or fifteen years ago but there's an hour of bonus material on it in the whole configuration has changed. And Somehow, this guide or call this book maybe guide but it's really the most autobiographical book I've ever done because I've. I've dropped myself the book every few chapters where. I mention or cite my initial place where I saw a movie. The other theory I have in maybe you might. Verify this. This is just the theory that Dr cushing have discussed recently. There are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of books and articles out largely written by East Coast New Jersey or New York writers and authors. That constantly. Parade their use. The school they went to the colleges they went to. You don't really read too much. Of An, this is excluding rap music and the lyrics system the word. Smith, in rap music coming out here ice cube can tend Lamar bit. You don't really read a whole lot of books about native people of Los, Angeles and the schools. And the concerts that they went to. So when I show up and talk about. Being on American bandstand. A shindig being or just my encounters running into people at the premiere of don't look back in nineteen, sixty seven. In Los Angeles. Something happens that it hits everybody really hard because I know you can say to me. I don't read too many people from. La. Talking about their hometown constantly like you've done. True. When he's agree with that concept I do I do and I think what has happened when people? Wow, you actually interviewed the wailers. You actually saw Bob Marley six times. You actually saw Johnny Cash Twelve Times SOM- and Shindig and sixty five. Stuff's not dropped in like for some cool factor. It. I was encouraged by Dr Cushing in so many people saying you're the only one who was there. Don't make this a footnote and don't save for interviews, stick it in the text and I don't think it comes across his name dropping. That was my tiny concerned. Because I missed saying, why didn't somebody said to me? Why weren't there more photos of he? I said I didn't I didn't do cameras. Steph back then. I did try to go look for American bandstand switch in and it was quite a. The licensing price was pretty exorbitant. So John Looking through the book now, trying to see how many photos of you maybe only five or six. Not a lot but they were done when appropriate why can get I get a little bit of extra out of this book. I was looking for stuff and maybe you can comment because I didn't find information on it. So I WANNA get your opinion on it. I know there used to be a festival every year in Texas where Robert Frank would show the film cock Sucker Blues. Did I miss something? Did you did you talk about Cocker Blues in her and I actually did if it and again sometimes these things are Tuck in chapters I'm glad you asked this question and I'm really proud of myself that I could say yes. One and how Dr? George Ganic Louis I interviewed the director, Paul Jesmyn fifteen years ago for standing in the shadow of motown. That's where. Now follow this and six months ago maybe. I he had lectured friend of mine's. Documentary class at Ucla Professor David Leaf. And I said you have Paul just moments email. I know. He lives locally I'm sure I could find him just films or something. because I'm I'm going to be doing a book, Can I have an existing interview with him? But. I wanted to get some quotes from him specifically about the filmmaker Robert Frank. And I emailed Paul and he gave me two three long paragraphs of what he learned about filmmaking from Robert Frank because he had been involved in the editing of cock. sucker blues. So the film. Is at, least addressed and discussed you know in a full page, but it's tucked in the motown chapter because he was one of the few people that studied under Robert? Frank and then has become this director himself doing all kinds of J. Gyles, videos and things like that. But I specifically asked him about the stones. And that movie and especially rob working with Robert Frank. So he addresses that yes. Well, Kim I'll have to look. I somehow overlooked that. By the way if you see a movie, Don't you sometimes need to see the second or third time or other things get tucked in the mood. Yeah. So that's China one of the little. I wouldn't WanNa say it was a literary device. I just was. SMART enough to go. Well, I wanNA talk about frank since. I. Saw Five of the nineteen, seventy, two rolling stones. You know concert dates, I want, and he was around for some of the filming the editing of the movie. Talk to me about Robert Frank So That's thaddeus. Yeah. Fact I read the entire rolling stones chapters again to try to find it. Now. You told me where it is so. also, do you remember speaking about TV variety shows and not all of them in L. A. were on major networks and there's this interesting history about this guy called David Snyder men he was the acid king of the rolling stones and supposedly he had a underground PUNK TV series in La I don't. Know. Maybe you and I think it's the same guy. And I I had mentioned his name. With Peter Ivers in my book in two thousand six Hollywood. Shack Chop. Davis. Schneiderman I think might be David Joe. and. He. And he and Peter Ivers had a show called new wave theatre. Exactly. That's exactly. Gradual. Marks with the bird coming down did I just hit it for you? Yes and and I did go to some tapings of new ACLU. I drove Jello Biafra one time to. Theater Jones. The core for that. Yeah and I went to a couple tapings because I met Peter, reiver's two or three times when he was a record producer and doing an album for. For. Warner brothers and he was very smart Harvard trained. Brilliant man and he had old school routes, but he also gave a platform. To shall we say new wave and Punk rock music and I was and it was done locally. So I remember that that's probably the same guy is. It is the same guy he changes and. I find out by watching some of the clips from the show and I thought this is pretty cool. This is the beginning of you know L. A. Pumpkin L. A. New Wave, but then I read Oh my God this is the same jerk that turned Keith Richards and Mick Jagger in in the drug bust. That interesting I had. I had co produced and hosted. My own television show starting in Nineteen, seventy seven, which preceded MTV and new wave theatre. it was short lived. It was called sixty fifty. And I would have people like Danny Sugarman Todd rundgren Michael Lloyd and Murray's a K. on. But it also showed clips of Retha Frank Otis redding and I did have a couple of local bands like the group twenty twenty. Perform on the show of they were lips thinking. So I dipped my toe into this world and we're talking nineteen, seventy seven still have absolutely I have. One of the shows. Lectly, I gave a copy of Michael Lloyd right after it was done and I know Todd Rundgren has a copy. put it on Youtube please. Interesting I like some of the same clothes. But I remember I will say one thing I made efforts knocking on doors of Hollywood for a year. Trying to paddle. Of this kind of show. and. Right. and. I wasn't successful. well faded or Venus and I was offered job as West Coast Director van are frame ca records, but I couldn't interest suppliers and vendors and distributors, and again this is fledging. This is a world seventy, seven, seventy, eight, seventy, nine. And so pitches didn't work. There was also some scorn and ridicule people didn't like. The race mixing that I was doing on my shows which became sort of. Underlying theme in this book. About. Sex. And identity politics and race and gender it keeps showing up in this book maybe I didn't know what I was doing when I was asking Johnny cash people about the native Americans or talking to David Ruffin of the temptations about. what was it like on the road and he would volunteer a racial incident he didn't through these start realizing. A and Mary Welson of the SUPREMES talks about standing on the shoulders of other people that came before the supremes Motown, and so in this current climate we're living in. there is some socio political aspects that. Right are in the text, which was not the game plan and now and people are saying you've got female directors producers in this book. I mean I I I mean. There's a woman named Linda Snyder that did the front cover of this book. I've never met or talked to her. I I'm not. I'm not the Hollywood guy that does committee meetings and has to draft people and deal with inclusion writers and all that kind of stuff. That's not me I'm just documenting my environment right and so all of a sudden this book is Getting position is a little bit more than just a movie show movies and TV series and rock and roll DVD's and if you dig deep. You learn a lot of stuff from quotes from Berry Gordy and a lot of people who I always had a lot of the material though I did a lot of new interviews the first five months of the year her. Because I couldn't go to concerts or clubs anymore. Okay. We might just get this thing out. It's it's just maybe there's a sense of faith hair. You were writing about socio political topics time in the seventies and eighties when the music press kinda turned away from except for maybe rolling stone than it was in the sixties or even now So yeah, you were. You were definitely talking about stuff like that and. You were multicultural and you're you're perfectly right. You were writing. You had a style that others kind of stayed away from your over my face it you know although only gold mine readers and people like yourself and. I'll use this term old school although I'm very encouraged by the new school. Children that are showing up. Who? Worship Final Nevada their way to collect mono who actually actively support you know record store day. Eight just like some of my peers they don't really care what's on the charts they're not governed by being. For the, record, music. Industry. And They know because I I think when you look at the acknowledgements and credits in the book or you read some of the chapters. You know I come from Los Angeles. Including the first like eight years of my life in downtown Los Angeles and Crenshaw village should true I grew up in the surf well from one thousand, nine, hundred, sixty. Fifth League, Fifty, seven to sixty three with my parents. My brother we lived in. Culver City in West La and then I was a teenager in west, Hollywood in we are now but. You could not help. But HEAR BLUES AND R&B in what we now call. So music blaring. At least when I became conscious, maybe nineteen, fifty six. On you couldn't. You would hear Larry Williams here a little, Richard Fifty seven, fifty, eight, fifty, nine, they were recording for a based record labels so so music, R&B Music. Has always been? Deeply embedded in my life and showed up in the interviews I did. So when I When I had enough money to buy cassette player and actually buy some blank tapes. I made sure to interview David Ruffin of the temptations or Bobby Rogers of the miracles. And and meet Curtis. Mayfield. Jerry Butler, I mean people that have been on the cover of mine. I don't have to tell you. But. I'm glad you did. I think I think. I. Think the Aren being the Blues Music World that. I. I lived in. I never deserted it. So when it came time to write about Otis Redding. Or, the stacks review or motown. I brought some stuff to the table that no one ever has done before and I think again, not to harp on this point. You constantly hear and read the New York writers authors. And their personal history of growing up in Harlem and went public school they went to and I'm not I'm not degrading that at all. But I don't think a lot of the, Los Angeles Writers and authors, and people like myself until recently. Through my share force of will. Got These books out that are now reaching global. You know status. That, we're finding out see what happens you find out about Los Angeles through Harvey Cooper. Nick you start doing I mean why did Tom Petty Right the Intro to my two thousand fourteen book turn up the radio because television. City. And the music shows out here on Shindig brought him and the heartbreakers to Los Angeles and Hollywood from Florida. and. I, I'm the guy that went to those TV shows. Partially because they were. I. Don't know one mile from where I lived with my parents and the world wasn't as hectic and crowded back. Then there was one temp as many people you wanted to go to Shindig. You could show up even without a ticket one time or they needed bodies to fill seats. It's you know there was no people weren't. Scalpers in this world, you know it was A. A different thing it was a pre FM radio, maybe world It was a very. Los Angeles has been very good to me and I think I've been very good to it. Weaving it in the work I've done and I don't hide my via regional affiliation. I'm quite proud of it although. Somebody brought. An article from years ago in a magazine. which doubted myself. Growing up. Downtown Los Angeles really. We something had met me in junior high school. But you know you do have a life before age thirteen and fourteen. And you know your first record impression that started five, six, seven or eight or the first record or the first time you heard somebody on the radio you remember that date don't you and your life is never the same after that. and. I've learned to focus on the positive because I'm now I go to a market and. And somebody will either hear my voice from radio stuff or recognize me or maybe I'm wearing a Hendrix or Marley shirt. So they coach the this guy, Hey, that's is that Harvey Kimber Nick Worrying Barley. Shirt because. They weren't there to see or meet Bob Marley or interview the wailers Bob. Marley's been off the planet I. Think Since Nineteen, Eighty one. So, there are people like me that were witnesses. And I'm still in this racket after forty eight years. And So, something seems to be happening where there's some sort of I don't know fits reward, but I'm very much into the acknowledgement and very few things. Really bother me anymore because there's too much good stuff going on in our very sad and horrific world that I hope improves. But I was irked. That imply that I never grew up in Los, it downtown Los Angeles because I never. I mean I. Never really have had the format to talk about it. So I I am. You got a brush off people like that. Anyway told us the people I said, well, what do you want to see a picture of me in at Coliseum Street Elementary School For the explorer. So I just kind realized that myself and people from La. Had, the big national forum to write about the culture we came out of? Compared to other cities and all that So I. Think when I bring people into to the setups or the wrap-ups. Completely adds another dimension to the journey you've read. And I have to say the pictures and the artifacts in this book of you know largely from Henry and his archivist Librarian, Gary, Strobel, and my own collection. I really think they really underscoring reinforced the texts that that's tossed it everybody. Well, let me put you on the spot now and have to read her book I WanNa ask you in your opinion which music documentary defined it subject best. Okay okay, we'll throw a couple a couple you couple of. I think the doors. The doors products life the Hollywood bowl in life. Isla White. Really define the. Doors. Because, they're largely concert footage only. So you're you have a frozen moment of time of Jim, Morrison and the doors or the doors collectively in sixty eight. And then you have them in nineteen seventy. So I think that's a pretty stellar. Mentally now for really going into documentaries I thought the Allan Slutsky Paul Jesmyn standing in the shadows of motown. Really brought into the world of the funk brothers and that might be and we use the word best or The best example because? The funk breath to even. Even, the common. Music journalist. We didn't really have a lot of names attached to the musicians on the motown records until nineteen, sixty nine when the name sturdy being online gun marvin gays what's going on album. You didn't know the names of the players from sixty to sixty nine on the records you bought right? So I, think that that movie. In my encounters interviewing the surviving fund brothers. I kind of thought that movie really told us about motown. And the players on the record because we are so aware of the Jackson five and smokey Robinson and Marvin Gaye. The temptations. But now we got to hear about the musicians and I have to tell you my mom if I, have a favorite or my go-to. might go to movie. I I have to say that The Da Penny Bakers Monterey pop along with his don't look back steady above dealing. we league really. Are are still solid I. Learn new things every time I watch them even though the association told us they were upset that he didn't include a the best part of their performance in their. Association make after forty years. The the bone has footage of. That's another thing of, but often I know one thing about concert movies or documentaries. We this goes to any movies made anywhere. They're often not shot in chronological order, right? But but I have to give some Real Kudos to Colin Hanks and his all things must pass. Documentary Tower records. I. I have a feeling that chapter made an impression on you. Yes it did. And I really like. We took I don't think we both took tower records for granted I mean the opening of tower records in nineteen seventy in west, Hollywood because I had Actually. been on that location when it used to be the site of madman months, he used to put in car radios and car speakers and everything in cars there. So that the location of the sunset. Boulevard Hollywood tower records. With inhabiting a place. Of a sound electronics wizard that east to put in some of the first early car stereo systems. But I saw that movie I went to the premier. I did an interview with Colin Hanks. And the pretty. Sure the film. And, I was just gobsmacked and believe me they did have I believe in started as a kickstarter project, but they did have funding eventually and proper distribution. And that movie made such an impression because I really got to meet rest Solomon. The founder of Tower Interview Him. But then I decided why get a hold of Either some friends of mine have people I've never met. whether be somebody DEF LEPPARD or musicians that I either had seen shopping at tower records or new over the years that they got records at tower records or just in my encounters and Friendship Brian Wilson I know how active he was tower records. Although in the sixties, he was a big fan going Wallich's music city you. I'm from Hollywood you see everybody of these places but I think that tower records chapter why abled ask Rodney Being Heimer? What did you think of tower records or Joe Smith before he died I got a quote from him because I I interviewed him for a book I did with my brother on the monitoring and national pop festival two, thousand twelve, and I just kind of asked these people just kind of as an aside. either tower records had just closed or I heard they were closing. I never thought it would end up a book, but I had the data on file and I. Think when I write about this movie compared to all the other interviews and articles you'll read on it. I just took it into a whole new world. Yeah. I felt nostalgic Jan in even though you're right at the time I took tower for granted because I enjoyed myself there shopping. But I usually went to the independent record store first to see if I could find something to contribute to them and then went to tower of if I needed to because I thought of them as a conglomerate. But this movie kind of made me feel better about feeling nostalgic to. and. Let me tell you something there with. Move Against Corporatism yes and support indie music and I understand. I've always go. I. Listen. You're talking you know I liked having a foot, ensure do two I, and now that I'm a little bit older now. Why should I? Boycott Tower records because they didn't have a large re rack section of new romantic music. I mean, or they didn't really carry. Early Smith you know picture sleeve EP so I guess they're not cool. No you once you suspend all that restriction. And understand that dame grohl before he became an Nirvana fighters worked at tower records I think that stuff's really in Franklin even though I liked before to buy the indie labels on I still support them I love with the major labels are doing now with collectible block sets and I'd love it as a fan as a collector. It's like a dream. No you you have no idea that Whether it be is I. Mean Right now. Watching the major labels as they've all teamed up together or they've been doubled up together. I am delighted that they've been forced to go deep in their archives I. Love it and the, and here's another thing I've been on this fifty year anniversary tip for a while which is. When they were twenty five year anniversary six. I think I wrote something for Gold Mine I WANNA your beano cover story issues. Twenty years after. You know an in nineteen eighty-four, maybe nine, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, four, thirty year anniversary of the Beatles coming to America because I had I had seen the The the closed circuit, a concert footage. Well, I saw live when the DC concert sixty four was aired and broadcast nationally. But what I'm saying is I was picking up on this twenty five and thirty year anniversary things. Twenty years ago, and then I was watching all things must pass that came out as a fortieth anniversary edition and then I'm sitting here writing articles and stuff on Elton John's fiftieth anniversary this week of his debut at the Troubadour and I'm watching these fifty year. Cycle things happen whether it be. Box sets by the band or Beatles. Re releases or expanded. The Alexis editions of things or and so the labels. Has, gone deepen their archives. And we start seeing these things become available for retail, and so they finally join the brigade. and to me, that's been her. 'cause I've just seen. I don't think the sixties music is going away or these movies are going away because we're on a third or fourth generation now, and we know how many kids are checking out Bob Dylan for the first time, and now they can go. Renter. The don't look back title or other items like that, and all of a sudden. We have a we have a world and this is something Dr cushing is still done me. Many years ago I said you know I'm trying to write about some of the new music but. The editors won't return my emails. And I'm trying to write about Rap Music I've interviewed Ice Cube three times. I've been ice t's house I've met care s one and I have an interesting concept of talking to rappers then and now. Simply as wordsmiths and writers without the beats and music. So I tried to get a book going on that and believe me nobody wanted to see me at a record label or publishing house writing about recipes. They give you some of it's been published and I and I found myself. Whole, that's your next book I I I it will. It will happen by the way I had a chapter on. On. Ice Cube in two, thousand, six and my. Hollywood check job of talking about lyrics and all that. I put him and Milton Band People's. And they'll stewart who did watch stacks in that book see I've been doing this this this this thing a very long time and I don't think a lot of people have picked up on it nor do I sit there and ask for the super coverage or the acknowledgement that it's sort of all out there but incl- including this little segment of this thing. I think Something has. Something is happening where where I was said I said to Dr Cushing. You know. There's I have a lot of data in the bullpen, a lot of information and I'm getting access to artifacts and Ephemera and photos never seen. The only trepidation I have is. I, don't want. It's traffic exclusively in nostalgia. But. It seems to be one of the few outlets I have. Excuse me as a writer that people are taking these articles are asking me to do these interviews. And he said. Because he has a sense of history when you're A. Professor in English. And literature he said it's not nostalgia if you're delivering new information nice and that to me. Which is why he's thanking every one of my books and I showed him in half a dozen of the chapters. I can't tell you how liberating. That comment was not that I was like you concerned I was still going to do these interviews and still WanNa talk to Raymond's Eric and other people always talked too. Far. As. thinking, they could work in big format folks. Said, it's not nostalgia if you're delivering new information so it happens and this is starting to really dwindle. People. Check out some of my books or read the table of contents or they read the first reviews that are always very good coming out. And then they're stuck to have a decision to make. Their really in an interesting position. It's like they're on the basketball court. And they have a chance to grab the ball. Well what's Harvey Kuban it going to tell us about Shindig or the Tammy show or the Elvis Sixty eighth special or did Clark or upbeat television or this movie rumble or Orangeburg Burns and bang records. When we already kind of seen these movies, we have a lot of the records. izzy rehashing. These things is it kind of guy to check these movies out every year? One of those kind of list kind of things. And so there's a little bit of hesitancy. But the hesitancy is disappeared right now thinking physically get this book and you hold it. It's one thing reading about this book on the Internet. But until you got the package from my publisher and you saw this TNT bomb in front of you. You realized Whoa look at this now and all of a sudden when she read the prologue and check out everything you realize it's not a rehash it all. It's a completely new look at examining this world by somebody. Who Actually I work on documentaries I'm in some of these big authorized documentaries on queen and Christine mcvie and things like that. So I actually in this world as a consumer and also as a participant. Well I gotta ask you one more thing before part and okay, we asked you what? You thought documentary defined subject best. How about a documentary that fail to show the largeness of it subject. I'm only with and I'm a little biased here I did write the liner notes for the fortieth anniversary edition of the Elvis Presley Sixty eight comeback special. And I love the DVD of that out. Of that. Of that legendary, you know broadcast I. Mean it made me go see Elvis play live in nineteen seventy after I. saw it on television earlier. Now and I realized. Record Label Sony Music Entertainment is involved in this. In this reissue. Of this sixty eight comeback special. It's been out on the live soundtrack album and it's been out on on DVD before. And believe me Steve. Bender the director is interviewed lanes and there are. Some. outtake performances. You know you know from the show. But I wish we got more well first of all, Elvis. Presley. With the rare press conference didn't give interviews, right so we didn't really get to hear. Elvis gave one press conference before the in the before the TV show was. Was Broadcast and he said something like I better do this now before I get too old, you know kind of joking kind of thing. But I I really would have liked to. I mean, I mean at a point in the liner notes in this chapter. To interview the music director and all kinds of people but I wish some of these people were actually. Filmed for inclusion on this DVD. And you know wanted to learn more about Elvis Presley. What was his mindset in nineteen sixty eight when he's off the charts And we don't really have Elvis talking too much about what he was doing back then and when I when I do a project. I over film it I over recorded I interviewed forty people then cut it down to twenty six. I don't think Colonel Parker and the Elvis state then or now. They usually didn't give you too much of a glimpse into Elvis Presley offstage. There are moments in some of these documentaries that have been done or since his death we're learning a lot more about him in books and all these kind of a tabloid driven kind of profiles of him. But I don't know if that broadcast documentary failed. It was very limited because it was specific to a television show and the ancillary moments surrounding but. I just wish we had Elvis doing voice. Commenting on this things I agree. That's true. Still an Elvis is still means a lot to me I I. I saw him six or seven times and You know I write about him in the in this book and I think that's sixty eight comeback special. there are some moments in that show that are just riveting including the performance if I can dream and things like that, and I have to say one thing about that chapter that. Only the gold. Mine. Advocate with totally relish and realize what a coup was for me. Can leave you with this but this also sums up your demographic where they would appreciate this story. It may not work in any other interview, but for people like you will. So I'm I'm working on this Elvis Presley chapter and I have the DVD's and the soundtrack album and all that and I walk into a local record store in Sherman, Oaks California called Freak beat. And The owner Bob say. Says to me. What are you working on next? And I said Uh, I'm doing something on Elvis Presley. and. And he said, well, what are you doing analysis? And I go. I'm actually enlarging. I'm doing a really good chapter on the sixty eight comeback special part of it was in the recent HBO. Special. Elvis Presley, you know the searcher. And I was reminded again just how good that TV special was and I had interviewed Steve Veterans Director. I went to the chiropractor years ago. And an actor lance landslide Gulf walked in who I recognize and I said you landslip gold. We talked about Elvis Presley because he was a friend of Elvis and the standing in a bunch of movies any plays tambourine in the sixty eight comeback special. On the kind of. Down, portion out and I and I interviewed him I up Sag to get his phone number and he called me right-back. But I said to the Guy At freaked me, I'm doing something on the sixty eight comeback special I think it's going to be really good chapter but I really it's very hard to get access to Elvis photos because of restrictions and the estate and record companies are very limited. As far as visuals for books. now, I will say, my dear friend Andrew's salt. WHO's familiar to gold mine readers? He goes on SOFA entertainment he owns the Ed Sullivan Show Library. And there's no one in Sullivan Youtube Channel and he gave me a black and white photo of Elvis from fifty six I think on the Ed Sullivan show. So I had a picture of Elvis to start the chapter. But I had some concerns about I need some visuals him. But I said, well, this chapter could probably work. It's Elvis Presley you show picture from the started. Then we go into the sixty eight comeback special and I told Bob Say I'm doing this thing he said. You know what's Kinda cool I just I just found in got. An acetate. Of the if I can dream from bender, how productions of Elvis Presley And and he scanned the label copy for me and in the chapter. and. That visual is something that people are bringing up to me because. Guys like you and gold mine you Kinda dig seeing label copies and first printings of stuff even if there's a Typo or something. And I and I. So I have a really rare Presley item courtesy of this guy who happened to just obtained a copy of this thing. So the collector mentality lives which nitel. I WanNa thank you for writing this book. Thank you for coming on the PODCAST and listeners user pick up. Docs that rock music that matters by Harvey. Cougar Nick is his new book and it's published by other world cottage and do you find yourself? You're could get this online correct besides going into the big Lincoln. Amazon it's all out there and you know support Amazon books there And Part of it is for people that are film students are going to school to be directors or actors, or Wannabe in the film and video business and all that The book was also partially designed as you brought up earlier. For the academic world of professors and teachers because I made it a point to ask Murray Lerner about camera angles or D- a Penny Baker about film stock I mean it's certainly not one of these hard core academic techs, texts about how to make movies and all that, but I did bring in. Aspects of. How to shoot live rock and roll numb how how these people like the Maze Lewis Brothers who did give me shelter? and. I don't even that Gimme shelter. Think you've ever seen Gimme shelter chronicle that way. Well I. One thing I noticed in their is that the tour manager you. Sam Cutler. one of the stones bodyguards I can't remember his name now county funches. Yes. said that the tore manager was unfairly blamed and And You know I I'm you agree with that? I totally agree and again, maybe this is fate and destiny and I think. One of the and I would encourage rolling stones fans N- If if you love the movie, GimMe Shelter Yes I suggest you read the? Chapter. Not. Because you've memorize the movie a hundred times and I have quotes from Keith Richards and Ronnie Schneider of APCOA Co.. But. The most important thing to me about that chapter and I know that it resonates to the reader. I went to Westerly College with a guy named Tony funches. That's the body guard. Right right now. Now I know what you read that chapter you were stunned with the Rick the reflections that Tony, gaze mate never really read them before. Well, that's. Right it's a heavy. Blow your mind interview people behind the scenes they'll be they're not guarded they don't WanNa, give scripted. But also remember why the Tony Thing is special for me not because he left the planet a couple of years because you saw him in the movie for the first time with your friend in a movie theater. Hardy be putting himself through college for. Two years at West La. College. Working in the school library I think dollar seventy, five an hour. And, a guy named Tony funches would come in who was the student body president as college. The first semester it opened and he was a little older than all of us. He was there on the G. I. Bill. And he had been a Vietnam vet and I'm sitting there. At this college with a student deferment making sure I wasn't going to see. And then I knew him, I just knew him I met him a dozen times at least maybe had lunch with them a couple of times. He was just Tony Student Body President. We talk a little bit about music. But then he didn't show up the next year at College. I said Oh. Some people make an impression, but then you never see them again. I think go to see this movie. Shelter with my friend Robert Sherman who worked at the library with WHO Tony Funches as well and we turned each other and said. That Tony funches. An and and and we kind of said, wow, no wonder he wasn't it college. Okay decades go by many many many years go by and maybe five years ago I could have done this through facebook but I don't use that device. Because I sort of like the way things come to me organically on occasion. I taught Tony funches over the years not daily or yearly, but he made an impression. I get a phone call from a couple of friends of mine big doors, fans I. Mean One of them was actually living in the former residents of Jim, and Tamla. And Laurel, Canyon. And they were doors fans, and they they went to Colorado. And they tracked down Tony Funches who had gone into. Work working for Berry fe a concert promoter in Denver his continued in this world of of security personal security they they tracked down Tony Funches to talk to him about the doors. And in the conversation. One of the Guys Rob Healer Mad King said. Do you remember Harvey, Coober Nick who went to West La College at Tony said, give me his phone number immediately. He called me on the phone and Matt and rob arranged for Tony to come out to Laurel. Canyon to. Jim. Morrison's for residents because Tony after Gimme shelter and the Rolling Stones did eleven months as Jim Morrison's bodyguard. Right yes and he walked into that House I hadn't seen him since nineteen, sixty nine this is. Five years ago maybe. He's carrying a copy of my book on. Laurel Canyon. and. The first words out of his mouth. Well I mentioned in the book is. Can't you know he? He? He just was it was such a great thing to embrace him and see him and spend six and seven hours talking to him and doing a formal. Interview and black movie script. He said he said everybody. Let. Let's touch base tomorrow. John Dinsmore is coming by to pick me up right now. I mean welcome to Hollywood well, what I would love to do. You know how in Hollywood, you always have these. People on the side of St. Them anymore, but used to sell tour guides. I would love to have. Stars I would love to have some book and I know you could provide it of actual photographs and details were all these musicians lived where you just said Jim Morrison loved where Jim Morrison there more dive bars that he used to go to than anything or we're Dennis Wilson lived when Charlie Manson's girls took over some parliament you know that even the sworded bits of history. I have to say there's a little bit of that in the Alison ellwood documentary and Laurel Canyon that's. Able. Where you actually see the houses, a Joni Mitchell and people like that, and and over the years, there's an. residences you know sort of profiled I know Robert Landau a photographer, he was taking pictures. Of The billboards on sunset strip? In the late sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties. Henry Phil seems to take people doing this kind of chronology. Yes. Because there is a see as I pointed out to you. There is a hunger. For West. coast. Audio Art. Now, that's why I mean in November Chris, Hillman is putting out his autobiography. We're starting to see more autobiographies coming out from west coast you know L. A. based artists. and so I'm part of that. Of course I think I've done that all along with my first book or turn up the radio or the book on Laurel Canyon or the book on One, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty seven, and I know certainly doing the the Neil young book and the Winter Calling Book I brought people into the world of right of Neil Young. I mean I think one thing and this goes to my. I don't know I don't know if it's ability destiny. Or Chronology. But. I might be one of the few people you'll ever speak to that actually saw the original Buffalo Springfield twice. That is becoming like, did you ever see the Beatles now? Part of that is because Neil young has very devoted passionate fan base. But I would think only four people are around who saw the Buffalo Springfield or actually worked in recorded at gold. Star studio where they did their first album and a little bit of the second album and. I've been there the whole time. It was only this century that I was allowed I'll use the word allowed to right but on the subject I tried for ten years before. But the industry wasn't setup. It was largely New York and I didn't have a literary ancient. So I carry the whole diy ethic constantly but all of a sudden, there's a hunger and desire for the Mamas and Papas and the turtles in all their reissues and all these boxes and the association, and these are people that I've met grew up with saw playing their original groups and so I'm delighted when. The Association. Has. An autobiography I was so happy Howard Kaelin. Did his book with Jeff Two marketing years ago the turtles and this this did not exist a ten and twenty years ago and part of it is in gold. Mine is there to come to this. Year a guy in your readers you certainly. are going to check Johnny Marr? Steph shall we say but you never turn your back on the Mamas and Papas and the turtles you do. You do see the division where once you go punk rock or new wave Aegis Goff disco or glitter, and the bell bottom pants you used to wear or your parents used to wear I say you can do it all. And that's what Gold Mine does too. But you do know the rock and roll media will call it or popular culture media or bloggers or online reporters. you. You saw. Awhile. Ago It's changing now these people shunning and running away from shall we call it classic or Heritage Rock? Now, they realize they're you know phoebe bridges, singer-songwriter people all love Elliott Smith or go back to the original Bob Dylan or John Phillips songwriters before that. So all of a sudden we are through reissues and re releases and expanded editions and liner notes just started on the back of an album anymore they're twenty and forty page booklets now so the chronology the documentation. Is Getting out there and I'm the beneficiary because. I decided let's take the game or let's take it into the frame game and kind of get into the TV shows. And the DVD's in the movies that we saw and remind people. The records of the recordings are great but if you really want to know more about the people that you. Play you know audio. Checkout, they look like on film or their journey, and it goes beyond you know vh one behind the music and things like that. These are. You know filmmakers. Often doing audio commentary on the supplemental tracks. So you really get the full. White. Screen experience and So. You know. I'm just delighted to tout this title, but especially to a venue like yourself in gold mine people because that is hardcore collector stuff subscription audience. That can be shot. They saying when you were reading that Tony funches thing where it you marveling at his sites about ultimately I had it in my notes. then. You see I I know when I hit the ball over the fence. But I mean I think for Stones People Savy that chapter, they will see a different part of that movie. Again, hand it to me. It was like I said this we disgusted and finishing up that was somebody that I. Forty five years later got to reconnect with. So that's kind of the magic of rock and roll to. Thanks for today. Had A great time. 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96: WELCOME TO FANTASY ISLAND plus our first Leaver guest, Oliver Norgrove

Remainiacs - the Brexit Podcast

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96: WELCOME TO FANTASY ISLAND plus our first Leaver guest, Oliver Norgrove

"Once upon a morning there was a freshly brewed Nick cafe coffee. It was made with one hundred percent arabica beans yet boobs. Something was missing. Fear not in the distance, a sausage mcmuffin glides toward the sunrise inquests for breakfast. The perfect pyramid. Mcdonald's and mornings were happy forever. After. Right now, get a one dollars small coffee and a two dollar sausage mcmuffin with from the one two three dollar menu. I participation may vary. Cannot be combined with any other offer combo meal. Hello, everyone and welcome to the fence island edition of Romania axe. It's Wednesday afternoon. The charred ruins amendments of the withdrawal Bill a spiraling on the winds likely. Theresa May is going back to renegotiate a deal with the said was known the gospel precisely seven minutes after she announced her plans, but be of good cheer because even though the Cooper amendment extending article fifty fell Caroline Spelman amendment explicitly rejecting no deal. I what does it all mean? We will be trying to work that out later in the show. I'm Russ Taylor. And I've got two of our regulars here with me returning to remain axe. After too long break. It's Nina Schick, journalist broadcaster expert and disinformation in technology and a German born British resident who like Joni Mitchell has looked at Brexit from both sides now. Hello. Welcome back. The last time you were here was at the end of November since then we've had one aborted meaningful vote one historic defeat for the government a plan B, that's really planning and a hat now. This did it make any more sense of a distance that it doesn't think of it. Absolutely not. In fact, I don't think we've moved one step forward at all since where we were from before December before any of this happened, and the only step that we've taken forward is actually a step towards no deal Brexit. So looking good for direction hours towards definitely towards no deal. Brexit vive. I don't know if it is my base case scenario, but I think given what happened yesterday, it's certainly more likely, and I think it's more likely than what business and markets have factored in. I mean, I think they still think the deal will get across the line. But if the choice, ultimately is some kind of reopening of the withdrawal agreement to remove the backstop, the annot deal Brexit, it's going to be a no deal Brexit, even if that means. Turn to a hard border in Orland which I think will happen on inclined to agree with you, unfortunately. And in fact, I was tweeting today about what my top six stockpiling items would which has possibly responsible, but. Anyway, anyway. Tinned tomatoes. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's not that I called without weeks. You want to do that. It's the most practical thing that Tricia nonperishable nutritious. Obviously, you know, if fresh food is in short supply, you're going to be after something that is pretending to be fresh. So that was my logic. Also, great grated cheese in the freezer. This point is already elevates its. We'll come to. We'll come to that. That's all even if you so I'll be introducing later. Also with a cease and doen't editor of politics dot co dot UK. And as is crisis gets worse. No longer remain yak, but to remain insomniac. Hello, ian. How are you guessing anymore sleep like a baby? I have sort of the Shimer's of morality going through me. Do you get the sense that we're heading somewhere? Now. Even if it's somewhat yet to to oblivion we're heading to oblivion this this week was the worst for me this week, probably the worst. I think I've had. Yeah. Probably for the whole process because everything is so much of my, you know, how you always like the human, but of us as everything goes badly Roman one time bad, you won't again, and you just need hope somewhere. Right. So you always find is that any avenue where there could be hope and to me it was constantly and has been for the last year has been parliament during these growing signs of being prepared to take things on. So quite apart from the actual propositions yesterday stuff that coop was putting forward agreed or anything the site of parliament, just just not having the spine that when the moment because what if not now, then when may wins it going to be, you know, it's not like you're gonna time in the world. And then not doing it spooked me quite body that had been my hope place for about twelve months now. And then I could feed it sort of chiseling away. So not the best week. I wanted your drink and. I would been drinking. One of the saddest most dismal events last week was the site of the European Medicines Agency saying goodbye to their London office and lowering the EU Twenty-eight flags that was pretty upsetting was no yard. It was. And you know, I mean, we can go over. What did you like what the waste is? When you when you were studying on a single European patents? A while back. David one of the things that David Cameron did very very sensibly was to try and make sure that the court that was handling pharmaceuticals within the UK part of the reason for that was because the presence of the the prisons of industry here have been the we were growing into one of the hubs one of the central hubs to the seafood industry, Betty makes neighb- in most newspapers the fact that that place went, but as you look at it go, it's not just the obvious site. The symbol of the flags coming down and going off which for any sort of remain. It was like oh Christ United ships really going down. It's on a purely on a level. What are you in the world? What does your status in the world that is diminishment and it is happening right in front of your face. Joining us for the first time today is Melissa BBC World Service radio producer and writer, who's covered the migration crisis among many other stories. She was born in Paris and has been based in Prague, Miami, London, Nairobi and Bristol. And is what is testing over Brexit. She's got a music book massive attack out of. The comfort zone coming out in March. Hello, melissa. And welcome to remain yet. Thank you for having me. The refugee crisis was at the center of Brexit. Now, it only seems to resurface when Saudi Jarvi needs a new story is it still corrected talk. Talkline refugee crisis, I always competing. It was never corrected. Talk about crisis because they are in Lebanon, a quarter of the population refugees from Palestine and other neighboring countries in Africa, people moving I mean, it used to be based in Nairobi, you mentioned it. This is one of the biggest refugee Cam in the world in the north in data near the border with Somalia so that people who reached frost have into Calais into Ventimiglia the border with Italy into Sicily of into Bristol London, where a lot of people actually soc same that became to Kelly to help that's more English volunteers in Calais, then French Belgians once so it's not quite as a tourist completely used by the tub Lloyd's by the political bodies, by the way. British MP's and we've seen how fabricated it was all to scout people. I mean, I think there's like maybe two to three thousand Syrian refugees. And they you can't the moment. So compared to Germany who had to think where there's been a million people arriving from two thousand fifteen compared to what Europe had seen in the past history compared to what's happening in South America in Uganda, very the poorest country in the world are hosting the biggest number of refugees, Nepal again. Kenya? Uganda? Cameroon Chad do I we need to go on. But I mean would Gration have the same salience as an issue if we had another vote, you think I mean Turkey is moving away from Europe increasingly now, and it looks even less likely that it did before that it will join so would we would it matter would they be able to play that card again? Well, I think no. And to keep an interesting case actually, the first time I've stayed in Bristol to write my book. Then the next week. I was travelling to Istanbul in twenty fifteen so Turkey has changed completely ten years before that I was in Brussels visiting the European institution. And we talk to the Turkish representation there and had completely different government. And it was so keen to get into the EU, but the ten years on they've become like, the kind of goes to sheaf mold route say in infringe like no everything, but the Turks etcetera etcetera, but in the meantime, there's been so much Senator phobia and we've done so many stories about how the UPS have been treated. The UK recently, including this poor woman in the oval ground Spanish woman, talking to a mother on the phone like, you know, smashed by by a young British guy because she was just speaking another language. I think it's jealousy envy. You know, because most British people they only speak English, and we are very lingual from the, but it's another it's another issue. So maybe it could play a different role because whenever into the much for instance in October for people's vote. There was so many British people saying, you know, were my niece is dating a Romanian guy. And I fill it Saad, and my son has been living in the land for the past as and he will have to go back, and I've met a lot of people who have divorced because they have not been feeling any support from their in lows. It's every time launch Sunday rose Christmas you're gonna joke about so when are you going back to wherever I'd Portugal frauds wherever you want to add and those people are still going. On holidays and crying over like, oh, maybe you'll have to pay for visa to go to Greece next time. So this is such an imbalance that I hope that people would just see the other way round complete. You'll maybe maybe this UPN's also human beings in the end. Now, you're asking too much the extremists. You know, I'm a very idealistic. Melissa will be with us throughout the show a special guests this week is I Romania axe. He's I leave a guest, and he was even a former staff member at vote leave. Don't don't worry. He's a sensible one a soft Brexit and someone who's who's twenty seventeen has been calling for Britain to stay in the single market one of his choice. Our recent tweets reads, I cannot drive home the point hard enough that during the referendum. Nobody on our campaign spoke seriously in favor of new deal. Anybody who said they voted for no deal on twenty third of June is historically revisionist and Aligarh. It's Oliver Norgrove hollow Oliver and welcome to the lion's den that he's remaining. Very good afternoon to you all thank you for having me an say that it is surprising that comfortable being nailed audible. We we we put the cushion. What's your take away from yesterday? And all they found. I wasn't particularly surprised with what happened yesterday. It was a very bad day for Maine. It was a very good day. I did I didn't celebrate particularly yesterday though, because it was also a very good day for not listen, I thought might take away from yesterday was that we drove ever so slightly closer or perhaps significantly closer to either no deal or the prospect of another referendum because the imposs- isn't the central impasse didn't go anywhere yesterday. So we I think yesterday's Commons vote, which I tweeted before hundred I predicted the everyone would fail apart from Greaves. And I think I was I think I was wrong. But I think I was almost almost correct Spelman. She said passed, but I think that basically what happened yesterday was we saw parliament push the end result or whatever happens at the end of this tools, one extreme or another. So it wasn't. I didn't see that much reason to celebrate. But it was a very very bad day for you guys. You just said that the people feel more likely, which by the way, I didn't think I thought the other way round. I thought if anything the events of yesterday, the fact that so many labor MP's voted against superman, but would actually encourage Kuban to never go towards people's vote. See I thought yesterday, you might be right? Actually, I thought yesterday that yesterday highlighted the fact that we the impulsive going to move anywhere may steal is not going to be significantly altered in Brussels. And that to me, let's me implies that when she brings it back again, it still won't be acceptable. So in other words, parliament still want find a way through and it may it may be the case that the only way around that is to go back to the people. Oh, wow agree. But it would be quite a good day for if you win. Well, yeah. But I don't think you would. Oh, we'll talk about your time inside vote leave later in the show. But did you ever imagine? It would have played out like this about three years ago. I was hopelessly naive in some respect. So I probably would say, no, if I I thought it would be easier than it has turned out to be. I don't think it's going well, and I've not it's been going for a long time now, and I've gotten very kind of jaded and tired. I could criticize I have some criticisms of remain is what I have quite a few of my own side as well. I think what we've seen from my own side, particularly on the Tory right has been a systemic targeted on a deliberate campaign of political lying. I think it's been so it it's been intolerable for me to stomach. It's been intolerable for I wanna measurement. It's like few lots of stomach. And so I I didn't I didn't anticipate the extent to which lying and misinformation would become so central so normal to my own side. And that's something that I'm not I haven't been happy with as I think, I think there's a case breaks democrat. That case which is quite sound. Well, is I think it is sound I don't see Brexit as being an economic pursuit. Because I think that the evidence was suggested it's not, and but my side, unfortunately, has tried to go full power and try to present this like a, you know, presenting us with some kind of economic paradise. And that's where a lot of the lying is coming especially around things like WD roles, and what to know deal scenario would look like I tried. I tried my best kind of Roebuck on that. And say, no, let's be sensible. These this is how this is. This is how trade works. So the accent. I understand it. But I I haven't I haven't been impressed with the Tory right, which I would say makes up most of the noise on my side of the argument. I'll give me it's because you know, it's so complicated. And you can't put across a political message like that when is a and make it appealing when so incredibly complex wasn't it. Wasn't it? Correct. And I think the broadcast media as well have some. Some small amount of flames tape because as lost weeks fiasco with James telling Paul showed. Going with this. I to him. The fact that it's so complicated. Means it's very important to get guests on who can actually articulate these these issues, at least some way accurately, a not people who literally literally no nothing I and then two days later, go away, they start from the points of an opinion. And then bend, the facts and research rounds of meet the opinion, and that is so contrary to any kind of intellectual growth or informing others is unbelievable. It really is. What's the most annoying thing? That remains do I've ever really horrible habit of attacking and undermining your own plan B. So you'll least worst option if a ways attacks as well. And he's like. He might actually actually rely on that one day. No way ocean during the referendum and the lies that were told about that. Which were quite frustrating pay no say and things like that which are very very nuance and caveat heavily. I wouldn't say that I don't I think that you guys put too much emphasis on the economics of this of this thing which is fair because that's people are interested in it. But I think it's not as impactful as as the whole project fear counter campaign showed I think is not as impactful as you perhaps like it to be. And sometimes I think that. My friend, fellow former soft leave Berlin Smith tweeted about six months ago that the different the primary difference between levers and remain is is that lever are good at politics and policy and remain is good at policy and politics. And that's a very simplified version of it. But I think I think there's actually true. Later in the show. We'll be sifting through the events of yesterday as well as looking Britain's precarious food security Mark from swat versus Airbus and the small matter of Britain under martial law. 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From one of the panel discounts on Romania life tickets. And of course, the regular podcast a whole day early. Search patriot remaining X or go to our Facebook page to find out more. Okay. The amendments we've had time for the Justice settle in. You described yesterday's events is a masterclass in cowardice from MP's what happened about things. So okay. I think the overall narrative is this is that we're back in the world of myth making. So I would say that Univer friend than was one on the basis of Mets. It was pursued by Maeve for really up until last summer when she came up with checkers on the basis of myths as well, you can have everything you want. You can have ordered the control of the trade. Bubba blah, everyone gets around unicorn, etc. And then it can crushing into reality with checkers the backstop. And as soon as that happened to code is sort of Brexit coalition, fractures, she gets, you know, absolutely humiliated a couple of weeks ago when we go I have no sense of time anymore whenever it was. She bought it to the calmness. And then yesterday, they found a bit more fucking fairytales and the fairytale in this case radioman, which has we're going to find alternative arrangements. The backstop is that if you turn into arrangements fail. So what you've now done. It said that you're gonna find have arrangements to your alternative arrangements, and that's your fucking onto. And then like the most extraordinary. Every fucking idiocy. You see from the entry from that sort of in different countries going. Oh, well now, they found a positive solution. She can go pursue. And so she fucking. But this name meaning whatsoever in what was said yesterday. It was actively meaningless purposefully meaningless. It's not like it's some kind of mistake is they know the only by extracting the meaning from these propositions can they find anything resembling majority. So order the stuff that actually was real with the had a mechanism to it like the Cooper amendment which would have allowed for an extension if he's decided to back it to the Bill not even the amendment it. We're just giving them the power to do it. Order the stuff that was real that dealt with the situation that we're in they killed or one of the stuff that creates new fairy stories they jump behind an active. There are actually doing something and were doing the precise upset that. They would just once again getting lost in fucking nonsense instead of dealing with the problem that was on that play. So to amendments did pass. Can you explain the Spelman amendment because it's known bind as net. Yeah. But as we would much rather there was there was not no. Deal. That's what Spelman it's up to all the stuff that was like this is the mechanism by which we would prevent no deal they killed. Okay. So the Cooper thing Kupa was basically she put in other members Bill private member's bills, usually die. But then she got this sort of super sarum like which was basically the amendment and just injected into the parliamentary timetable. So that the Bill drew massive muscle. Just powered its way through in one day. They killed that. I mean, they it wasn't even that fucking. I mean, I was expecting it's closer than it was I was to be. I mean, part of my horror was justified that actually quite quite low India to be honest. So what was that was killed? And instead he goes Spelman, which is just a we'd much rather. There was no deal. So then did was bypassing Spelman and not Kupa what they've said is we would like this. But we are hung willing to have the just the fucking spine to actually do the thing. That would actually get it which I mean as far as pathetic as far as just something. Just just shatter any confidence. You have in these people onto that's pretty far up. Their timing wasn't great either this having made it look even. Was the fact came near the end. So the pollen affectively been saying, yeah. No deal. We don't we don't we won't know. Do we want to own actually where we don't want very much? Yeah. It didn't look very good. But having said that the Brady amendment. That's even more of a mind. Fuck isn't it? Fox's on since bullshit. That's not what you say. When you were on CNN. No, it's it's utter rubbish. And you know, you had the European Council. Donald tusk, president co president of the European Council coming out pretty soon seeing the withdrawal agreement will not be renegotiated. And then you had, you know, the chairman of the Bundestag foreign affairs committee coming out on us night thing. The withdrawal agreement will not be renegotiated. I mean to what extent is this? So difficult to understand. This was an agreement that the UK so trees amaze own government agreed and signed off with twenty eight other Member States. So the idea that now this will be reopened the backstop will be removed and there'll be a new deal is just fantasy. And I think what you'll see happening vis-a-vis the EU in the next two weeks is they're gonna play hardball. That'd be okay. So if you want to take this down the line, let's do it. They still haven't been convinced that Theresa May has anything in parliament that can deliver majority. So if a has to be a new deal, it will be a no deal. So all this stuff that Johnson has been spouting about how it takes two to Tango, every would say that wouldn't they the was doesn't have deals. That's that's rubbish and you'll be there. Okay. So of course, there is room for some flexibility, the EU has already clarified that they don't want the backstop to ever come into action either. And that's actually in the withdrawal agreement, you know, veiling alternative arrangements failing this magic tech which hasn't realized failing a trade deal, which means that there's no need for border failing that as an insurance policy. We have the backstop so the eye so that's already there. So I don't know what they can do in order to clarify it more. They can you know, they're definitely not going to remove it from the woods agreement. If that's the red line that the conservatives have moreover, the backstop is a British creation. It is in the withdrawal agreement because that is essentially what the British government asked for. They said, you know, give. That trees amaze speech in Lancaster House, her red lines. Brexit words, we're leaving the customs market, we're leaving the single market, but we cannot have a border. So then the said fine. We'll then we'll have to have in the Irish Sea that was unacceptable. So they had a UK wide customs union as the final outcome for the box, which is something again that the UK asked for so as far as the us concerned, they're like, well, this is your solution. So we're not we're not going to renegotiate it. We have tangled Boris, and you agree to it year ago when he signed up to it, you did say anything, then when your foreign secretary. It's true to say because he was he's on CNN CNN. The Trump don't sky, and they posted thing and the U of just put the specialist you're going we're not going to reopen the Madrid agreement goes, well, you know, it takes two to time go, and you would like the fucking exactly. Right. You've just negated your own argument. So how did labor play on this week? We're going to source on. Told y'all think like Labour's position on anything? Something. I mean, you know, maybe pointing from a lot of voters blabber food is I've took too. I mean, a few people have expressed how tie they all. And you just want to get it over this and have a nice magical break that suddenly to no one knows how to deliver this but labor as they have nothing on the table. Even when they were doing they were making the headlines. It was just absolute void. We will find a way it's just I don't I I used to be quite an admirer of their leader because we such aggressive compaign, but it's been two years of silence, and nothing and and stubbornness, and it's really difficult to grasp for me. Jeremy Corbyn is just as bad as some of the worst liars on the conservative side. And in fact, I found his whole today his say, you know, find the saying I will go and talk to Theresa May really really cynical because that's Oviously after Treasa may his swung behind the ER g and the DP and going for the hardest kind of new deal Brexit or on on on the. Xtop? So now he wants to negotiate with her. So I wouldn't. Well, I it's very cynical. Right. So I I almost see this as his stand in what he can later claimed was a principled opposition to the conservative party decision. But perhaps a potential way for trees amazed deal to get through is that, you know, a Corbin basically says we take a principle stand where against this. And he says he's not going to vote on it and allow some of the labor MP's to who are you know, facing the barrel of no deal Brexit to vote for trees amaze deal. So I mean, he's he's been abominable on Brexit, and he constantly lies on it. I think is position is still that he would have an extension if he could have negotiation. So as much as we reserve our for the liars on the conservative side, I think Corbin needs to be pinned to the wool as well. He does and it was a of obviously absurd nonsense for them to be saying. Well, look is just three we just need a three month extension, and then we can the customs union that we will also have voting rights on. And we'll have this whole new single market relationship. That they refused to specify which actually have to say journalists needs take some brain. Because these guys go onto fucking TV's. You did they say the space single muck? And you're like what does it mean? Okay. If you say we're gonna have free to move. And then what are the consequences departed from not exactly how Christian it'd be then not pinned down on it because journalist frankly donors, and then a bunch of the the other bladder. I have to say there is a sort of. There was something that was that was quite challenging. I think about Dawson. I was basically all they. So they go, but they basically go into position where she's basically saying, it's the three months, I'm ready. I guess From Compass perspective what she was thinking was if we can just show the principle that it can be extended and we'll have the next. Everyone knows three months is not enough. So we'll have the next to that as well. As if the lot which they probably wouldn't. But. But whatever, and that's one even on that very very Motors. Principal Kuban could not take all of the labour backbenchers with him, and that gives some indication of how much of a challenge you would have even if the labor leadership so that it was signing up to a people's votes. Just how many more would you lose? You'd certainly be losing more than we saw. Then then just doesn't nothing you'd be losing maybe sort of fifty to one hundred probably more like fifty let's say so you there's a lot of work that has to be done to get enough. Moderate Tories to come over. So Kuban is useless the labor from bench apart from Stormer is pretty abysmal. But also when you look at about benches, you think even if he was much better. This would still be very severe problem for the opposition party one of the things that makes it worse as well. As that. When you listen to talk, especially at the dispatch box. It doesn't give you the impression that he actually understands the issues he's talking about. So when he talks about the customs union, especially he talks about the customs union showing free and friction this trait. And I've I've written before and you've written before quantum lot guarantee. Friction is trade between the UK and the EU you need three things you need you'll single market you need a comprehensive customs union on you need some agreement on the vats area, perhaps continued alignment to it. And Jeremy Coleman seems to think I think I think he overstates the without realizing I think he overstates the case and the actual competence of a customs union, actually, a cheese because it doesn't achieve much it just happens to be in the case in this scenario that it that we we need one for the sake of maintaining a friction as Irish Boorda, which is a problem on it something we just have to face because it's reality. But the fact that Kobe doesn't seem to grossed the actual trading arrangements that he wants his policy, so helpful doesn't give anyone any confidence in my opinion. What do you what say what say dispiriting is to see customs union on its own become the only turn into Tomase. Spend no one's you can fucking talking about the Mark. Custom's union with a single market is fucking amazing opens up a bunch of customs union on it saying with nothing single market. It's it's fuck who'll man we're talking about fucker when even that is too much a of reach because the alpha. So the many billion pounds a year question. What is going to happen next? Next because I don't know Melissa tell me what's going to happen next Komi completely delusional. And obviously of not lived here for us, as you know, for IT believe it's completely insane. So the only way is just to go backwards and have no Brexit a tool. I mean, it's supposed to happen in two months. There's no decision that the political parties are more divided in the ever and just to. I Don what we're saying before two I interviewed a lot of corbin's supporters, and what what do they want? They say they want the labor party to come back in power and to implement the perfect brutish who saw it say wherever sing is national allies in three minutes and all the workers, get employed, and it's like Laleh line for the UK with no Spanish way to in Londono, something basically, but you can keep your house in normal. The laotian. So it's like everyone is. Hiding in a Bush. I think that I mean, there's needs to be some honesty everybody failed. This is no possible. You've heard what the French president said before. And the is not my favorite position as always because we shed impossible that I'm quoting him. But it did say dot bricks at coal happen. It's not it combines deliver. There's no rule. No one knows what it means. And the only thing in this is that all the other countries who had the vague on the of doing this on their own blah might be discouraged for at years, and then on the British side as the thing the first question I asked when I went to. So the first thing I wanted to do after the referendum to Scotland for story for the German radio. I work full and met with squash people, obviously, but also English people leaving there and ask everyone. So why when you voted for Brexit, didn't you have in mind future of the nation itself that I think there's four nations in the U K five. No, we all know. It's complicated. It, and we how could you not have in mind that the Northern Irish problem is and solvable. It's a tiny piece of land doesn't make any money. Everything's financed by the EU this complicated border. Have you looked at the border between Iraq and Iran straight-line? Have you looked at the border between Northern Ireland and Ireland? I think even themselves don't know right now. You know, people tell you. Oh, yeah. They have the metric system. That's how they know. They're no in the UK anymore and Scotland just to finish. What what would we do with that? I mean, I was just up until yesterday. People want to stay in the much more than they went to stay in the U K. So all this history. You've seen the poster in the tube. Mary Queen Mary Queen Elizabeth or this history of Scotland and England trying to finally Mon the tea being the same nation and set the main five minutes people just voted once like just to say, no to David Cameron, basically. And now, we still we don't know what's the future for this. So my word. Is very simple apologize saves. It didn't work we tried. And until we have a plan. Maybe we should not breaks it. Right. So revoke Costco, fifty McDonald's. Happy man. Oh. Keeps quite amazing comes comes out and more and more and more people. Just don't take people whose vote who would just going just fucking still pitting. Wrong again. I I don't have such an optimistic outlook because something would have to happen for tickle fifty to be revoked right? We all know. Like, no one's doing anything. The boulder rolling down the hill. The default option is not ill Brexit. You can say you don't want. No Dilbert says much as you want and parliament. But unless you're willing to take action to stop that we're heading for no deal Brexit. I think Theresa May's going to go to the EU all the EU leaders are going to say no trees may that will be no special yuko to renegotiate the deal. We've already signed off in it. Then she comes back and we've moved closer to know deal breakfast. So then she very tactically has not tactically. But she has then even more starkly to present to the palm it look. It's my deal or no deal on she'll be hoping that those who didn't vote for her deal. The first time around will this time vote for it faced by the barrel of no deal. And if that doesn't get through I think it will be no deal. Brexit right now deal. Brexit oliver. What's your prediction? My production is, unfortunately, I'm going to have to say, I think those are no Brexit. I agree with Nina, a specially half. Halfway melt say I've never been in favour of one. I would I would say I would rather vote remain the no differ. The for no deal. I would rather remain. And then vote for no deal. I think that the consequences of no brutally line into two categories. You have the immediate economic consequences, the, stockpiling and soul. The friction of the boldest crushing of just in time supply chains, and you have the second branch of consequences, which I don't think anybody really talked about on. I don't necessarily I can't necessarily paint a really accurate picture of them. But I think that there are more long-term geopolitical consequences one, oh, do and I think that few future administrations as a result of an ideal maybe weaker, so we may end up coming back to the and getting less in return for bagging. If that makes any sons. The defense agreement on which side are we China Washington brussel of geopolitical element as well. It's not just about food and trade in goods. I think one I have the hoping my mind also fifty will be extended because I wanted to leave with the deal. I'm a leave without Bill. Qian very briefly. What's your prediction? Perfectly realistic. The let's put a slightly more optimistic picture of which I didn't know if it's more likely or less likely, but this is where the chances if this if this it is the look, we know the timeframe we know she's going to go and come back with something amendable before Valentine's Day. She had the fuck and said owned Valentine's Day. Headline rights is across the country. A tremendous. So it's either before buttons own garden tons. They comes like one or two votes now. And that time we know who needs to be convinced. We know the labor bricks does need to be threatened or cajoled or bribed to get on board. We know the Tory. Motorists are not showing up to the degree that they showed. And we know that the motorists around the cabinet table of which there are extensive be supposed to be you know, when over a dozen need to be told this is the NAS fucking chance you do this. Now, they're all no further chances on that basis extension is winnable, but those are the people that need to talk to and they need to be targeted hot. Meanwhile, the way from the comments to mine no deal developments this week nothing to worry about just the British retail consortium morning that no deal will lead to higher prices and Mt. Supermarket shelves in a letter signed by Sainsbury's, Asda, McDonalds and other major food retailers and the Sunday Times reported the plans are in place for martial law. Including kudos to impose curfews training called the scape property and deployed the army in the event of no deal. It we should martial law and also no food and also half. A few. You know what I mean? I saw a brilliant books up with hot take on the street was like it would do this country. Good to have no food for over. I love it. And it's always like the. The people who have actually in the wall where they grew up hearing about it enough that I need to pretend that I had a leading role. Rationing because rushing went on freight. You remember my mom telling me, I was gonna nineteen fifties. The owned and they missed that too. It's really it's really telling isn't it. Right firstly on the food foot shortages, this was of course, immediately rubbished as project fear, but setting aside, whether there's anything new in it personally, I can't wait to watch Jacob reasonable cracking. Open a chain of whiskers. Where is this scourge? Impose coming from doesn't he goes pedigree? Well, of course, he would. But I'm hoping you'd have to have Whiskas. Why do we what is the appeal of suffering? This generation. Do they feel young people are the ones who are enjoying all the exotic food, and it's time they stopped it. What is it? I don't get it at all. The thing you should bring conscription back because it would sort things out. So we have conscription yourself. It's not that you came from generation that I kind of get everyone thinks whatever was the case in their childhood is the right thing to be happening in the future. I understand that. But it wasn't even that in their childhood. It wasn't let's basis from just mean in spite and jealousy could they possibly hate the you so much either that or they ever caught as a fucking pistons guys. Shit. Eyesight. The ever actually Johnny on the great, but I'm not found avocados. Well. I like genyk diet. So I don't I don't eat carbs. And I get my energy from fats and that sounds shit. It's great. I mean makes me feel good call make me feel like shit thing. Cravings. While you know, John talks forced by Marshall. Oh advice for next week. Is it a good time to bring in Doma jealous that I'm just going to Paris next week, and I can get older cheese and wine. I wall of very wonderful prize and heart. It's a few good. I can promise to bring you something. Just don't call me nego- macho. Let me speaking of that, Nina administer, yo German and French what do your friends and family make the this British obsession with the wall? Because even we're getting sick of it now. Yeah. I mean, they are bemused, and they do see, you know, Brexit as a huge, you know, kick in the head by shooting yourself in the foot, but I have to say that for all the kind of accusations of teutonic arrogance or the U is like Hitler. I saw something the other day which that Napoleon was tried to invade the UK that was the EU. I mean this upset he invented. Invented the idea that Hitler Napoleon and young Claude Juncker, and you know, Donnell twos coup is actually a freedom fighter behind the iron curtain, and you know, really put his own life at risk for by fighting for freedom and democracy. You know, when he's accused of being some kind of I left. Yeah. He's an amazing. I don't know. This kind of folk. Saying here suspicions of income. No. I actually like. But the point is going to make is that for all the kind of ridiculous historical second World War kind of comparisons. You see on the British side, actually, look at what the opinion papers. And what the politicians are saying on the European side. They have been very diplomatic when they're accused of being like Hitler like, okay. Well, that isn't a very nice thing to say. But you do we started this project for peace and prosperity. But fine you to your your free to stay you're free to go. But you know, we're not going to bend our rules. Just Oklahoma date your ridiculous delusions. So I think it most most of all in the U that they're quite Saad. They do see an obsession with the second World War, but they aren't reveling in the demise of what they see as very sensible, usually and pragmatic partner, which they were glad to have in the union. They're saddened by it, Melissa the French see civil disobedience zecic Tutu almost can you see Brexit Britain dissolving into circumstances that need emergency power. Well, obviously from frost, the situation is completely difficult to understand because I mean, you know, we demonstrating is no civic duty. It's like weekly hobby. You know, I mean any tone into sheila's ruin recently. And then there's the red scarf says, well, we need to do that all the time. So I as a French person I've been living here for a long time. And I think I note British politics, even more that French politics, but I don't understand general facility. It's absolutely mean, even when I went to the March, it was it was lovely because everyone was so warming and gentle. I mean, I don't think it's their most efficient way in doing this. Because also, you know, what I'm I'm a European not because I was born in Paris only just because I've lived in so many European countries, and it's fantastic to fit him of movement. But it's just the hardest part is for British people in the it's not for us. We'll still be twenty-seven. I mean, I'll have to move to Portugal Belgium, flew wide with a new BBC headquarter, but I will survive. I guess it's just like people. He is especially the people who voted to Brexit to leave in northern England and Cornwall that was my favorite Cornwall, everything is subsidized by the didn't even know. So I guess now people have learned so how what what's the response for them that they should be calling up last time I've interviewed even somebody eve as they were like, no one dead of anything the promise. So everyone should just climbing for so what's the plan? What and? There. There is a need for more CBS where we're talking about the ball before of Asli it's seen completely differently enforce. I've been to Bletchley park recently. But for us, the this is the base of the UPN union. That's why we don't want to go there again. Right. And it's so ironic that finally, you know, the Germans are so peaceful, and the putting the kind of Roku hot place, kind of Sonora Houghton, son. You're right. This is kind of passive resentment isn't that which I think he's way explains in a way the corn will vote because people felt these you you subsidies, I won't be I want to I want to be free. I didn't want to be dependent. And I think that's a part of it somehow. But finally, let's take a moment to acknowledge the single emblematic moment that seems to encapsulate everything. We've just been talking about what did we make Mark from soi MP theoretic theatrically tearing up a lesser from tremendous of Airbus saying, he won't be bullied Germans. All of it. What does it say about where a large part of the league leadership has gone since remember? There is being levers have been radicalized over the lost. I would say year and a half is become very pronounced. Let's go back. If I may euroscepticism has its roots in the option the option from the nineteen ninety three the Bruce group to van Renwick in two thousand and three to Richard Noll since two thousand thirteen the option walls Brexit, intellectually that was Brexit for a long time on what we've seen. I'm wants to say sold sixty thousand sixteen own was I don't know whether saucy before off the referendum, but what we've seen is kind of radicalism. Brexit ISM itself has grown out of euroscepticism and has taken on a life full movies on and I don't I don't really haunts point out. Why this has happened? But people in new three years ago Darren Grimes, not the same as they all. Now. These people have changed. I think they've become hall Scher nephews, harsher and the discourse. I also think they've become more inclined to believe things which. Confirm their own biases, unless likely to view situations, objectively on these elements appear to me to have come together and create the kinds of comments that you see now from Mark Francois felt about the Germans I didn't. I didn't actually see what happened. But I I'll take it. What for you didn't miss anything? To my mom. My mom has in Washington used for to she doesn't uses the referendum result. She's not. Have been found. She just looked at those members, aren't you? Oh for God's sake. And then just that she's not gonna watch the news for another two years. That's pretty much. I mean, he has time stamped himself as a big plonker in history forever. So if that wasn't already known the world knows, no. So no, I I mean, I think most people never heard of him fooled. Anyway, right. We're very conscious that Vince light yesterday's can sometimes make the podcast seem a bit grim. So in an Allen Partridge like attempt to keep it light. We're introducing a big question flip lateral each week this time, it's which former prime minister what we most liked to have as a regular panelist on the show. There's your favorite prime minister. Yes. Well, anyway. Hamrin? Let's relive the shame with him every single week can be his own personal hell. He said he was not sorry. Regrets counts. You know, he's capable of making any meaningful contribution probably debate. That was awesome my own stuff. But I'm going to play that was up because just change it up slightly on. I would say I would quite like talk to Edward Heath. Just get to get his us on the subject only because I think it would be nice to control swell accession and leaving. We're kind of like. That would be my own. So yeah, he would be interesting. Yeah, you're right. Because of being such a year file in the Tory g I mean, Mojo father, and Kim Clarke even know which which of the two he thinks was more convoluted more difficult that would be interesting opinion. Melissa who would you like can I say Winston Churchill? By someone making decision someone who's sinned the rest of Europe, someone similar or someone alive? It say, Tony Blair, and maybe can face all these other responsibilities. So this win something in this crazy situations. Is difficult ago. Disraeli I think Israel, you'll be talking to import costs. It's funny. The politics retired be he's genuinely funny. I would actually go for Margaret Thatcher. Because other other pro-single-market anti-federalist PM. I I'd be interested to see what had take would be would. She like, you know, as you said Oliver, so many other leaders have gone, incredibly Brexit. Or would you be pulling back and saying this is madness? An IB fascinated. But she would be an avid reader of mine. I know. It's a special guests this week is reasonable lever. Yes. There is such a thing. Oliver north. Onto the when did you stop in the leaf world? What was your gateway drug stop? You. Stop Nicosia who was it. Bush group was it wasn't the Bruce group. I wasn't always this way. I have to say, I'm I I will I will owns your question. I don't like to talk about about it went onto the question. I I was very kind of encapsulated by Najah firewalls in about two thousand thirteen and fourteen the reason why is because I found him and actually think this is correct. I think he's charismatic under think is I think he has a way of I'll take I'll take his his perception of ideas. I would say that much. I don't think that's wrong. I know subsequently that loss of what he said about trade in about the UN about negotiations since being also shit. So I joined I joined kiffin around two thousand fourteen and I left just before I became employed, which is about eight four two thousand sixteen. Then vote leave lawsuit until after the referendum. And then after that, I I watched ho negotiations the softest one revel, and I began to read I decided, I didn't know enough. I didn't know enough about the institutions I didn't know enough about trade on I started to really kind of teach myself from research, and I've read people who have really know that you will. And that Joni led me to it sounds kind of vain, but the more the more knowledgeable. I became the software. My position grew. On a realize how crucial the single market whilst to us. And then people like, Ian, kind of picks off from what I was writing about on, thankfully, I appreciate the fact that he promoted me and stuff in the past. And this other the journey Mijoni has gone really kind of the opposite weights. Mostly as I said to you before we leave the leave mentality was very very soft in the ninety s and early thousands, it became harder and more radicalized nowadays. Okay about no deal. And they say, oh, we'll vote leave campaign for no deal, which also shifts. Of course, that's not true. I've gone the other way, I don't know why that's just been my. That's just been my journey really has been quite quite nice to have a try. You know, what I mean to have people behind you, especially when everything becomes very troubling. Because it'd be quite lonely. I didn't. I didn't. Kind of idiocy in chronic position. Then I've lost quite a lot of friends, especially since I came out publicly for the single mock about almost nearly two years ago now, so it has been quite lonely. However, having said that I think that. I don't regret a thing. Because I've learned so much of the ski is. And I think that I'm someone who has informed people of things I've lost couple of years. And I'm actually quite proud of the fact that I'm someone now that some people can rely on for information on some of the issues because it's very difficult. And I knew nothing about lots of lots of trade in lots of different services. I don't know very much about VAT is very difficult for me. So he's a quivalent. But I I'm proud of the fact that I can actually I'll take your late and be a source of some kind of objective in a debate. Which by the way, I think has become seriously poisoned by. Really intense pulses and ship. It's really nothing to be particularly proud of. You work in communications vote. Leave the go between between the comms team. And the breaking news news. So did you see Finley Vail version of yourself in the Bendix come about film on time? I was hoping that would be an extra somewhere on the office just making. Yeah. It was it was it truthful to you to experience. I didn't watch it. I didn't want you. Sorry. I didn't wash it. I wasn't sure. I wasn't sure. Even remotely interested in watching it. I think the whole thing is become too traumatized. Gosh, who did just been any any sort of organization. I been in any office that it was going to be some kind of, you know, vaguely professionals. Withdraw more about it. Yeah. I wouldn't have been able to help myself doesn't surprise me. Disraeli of outbreaks. No, I genuinely wasn't interested in watching. I don't know. Why? Division in general. Watch television, very boring. In two thousand seventeen you. You wrote the Brexit could become the conservative partic- rock wool. And you were like said you're likely to vote labour next time it used to I take it. You not to lighter labor. Like Bill because see nothing to vote for because I don't see them as being particularly intellectually consistent coherent. That's good research ever long time ago. And actually statement about the concept of Iraq will actually stunned by that. And I think that annot deals would actually home the policy for long time. So is there a party that, you know, there was no policy on I'm far away from party allegiances? I ever have in my political life, and I've only been interested in politics for about five years. But I would say that I don't think at the moment constitutionally speaking, I don't think what we have the moment. He's actually policy system sounds ridiculous. But actually, I think what we've done if it's parts issue. So big into the system that is actually thrown everything of like what we have now is divisions within divisions and the general policy lines on necessarily as applicable anymore. Well, I think new evidence suggests that voters have far more lesions or feel far more strongly about whether their Brexit to or remain all what you know, if they're labor Sirven. What's your preferred settlement Nava, you do favor Norway style deal? I like I like after I like the option I would like to leave with deal become less Fossey, particularly over the last few months because I've seen I see the gency, and I see the encroaching possibility of Gelson. So I've become less falsely. I would like to leave with deal. I would love join the after is actually kind of median position for if you look at public opinion of the single market the general public overwhelmingly in favor of it. John Republic overwhelmingly north in favor of political union. So actually after kind of median position if that makes sense, whether it's it's actually possible to exceed after because. Fifty six point three of the convention sites. That you need to assume the FDA's, and if we retain a comprehensive customs union with the that's not possible. So that's another kind of wrench in that's been thrown in. But any any deal right now is really works. For me. No way, we have say effectively we just have to accept regulation that problem with I would challenge slightly. I think. Loss of the rules of global. So we'd have them. Anyway, the dolls have fall more influence in that system is of undeniable. I think no way is consulted at every stage of the legislative process. No way isn't Paul common commercial policy. So does have some kind of independence and flexibility when it comes to setting regulations, it does it does come do things like committee global committees on on policy areas and sectors have retained significant Clough in countries, which have strong sectors, like fishing, whatever tend to do well in those areas when it comes to the standard setting global forum, so knowing for instance, does lead like things like krill crew conventions and committees and things like this. I I realize it's a really tiny example. I'm saying I think that sometimes the smaller states have more regulatory influence house given credit full that suits in on me like Norway's. Yeah. Fishing. The actually isn't perfectly tight as I mean financial services access is substantive. But it's not perfect. So there is one of the one of the bets are all Yamin against the ocean is the UK joining joining f so would actually kind of compromise the nature of the fabric of the agreement and throws of what can I do? See that is a strong possibility. When we say new way, we don't always literally mean, no way, do not very often talking about some sort of thing you cannot different silo into the agreement from spoiler to. But again, it's about the the way the works. It works. Well, because it is based upon troughs recold the fact that you Connery's intertwined similar. Changing is potentially risky. I do. I do acknowledge it because I am thinking and blind to really trust. Why I'm here? That's why the other EA countries. Don't want the UK to join right. But off to nab Rex is. So completely rancourously divided the country as he was saying is is it going to be possible to get people back debating innovate supplies way. If so how the way forward is to be honest. The way forward is to be honest, and I'm very tiny tiny call have power influence on really try. I've tried to be someone that can try try to be like that way for this to be objective, honest. That's the way forward because it's the only way for because ultimately if the truth doesn't matter the nothing mosses, that's the only way we can cure British politics. This I have to say, I think this whole nonsense about bringing people together and bring the country together as really kind of fancy stuff. I don't see that happening anytime soon. But I don't I don't I can't say her and pretend you have some kind of silver bullet cure for politics. Because this is this is really unprecedented just never really happened before. And there's no template for what for we should do in the future. We just kind of going through it and making we go alone. And then there are plenty of negative connotations with that. But I the has to stop with people being on some people being realistic. Bring people have never been together. You know? No. Eroding you, and we would want everyone's just doing what you can do is control the manner in which they speak to one another in the manner in which they in the UK, we have adversary of systems that work. So we have an adversary parliament we have enough for Sarah press in theory. We have adversary colts. And it might be all of those things have been complete cook up over the last two years. I don't think that is wrong. They tend to walk, and I think we should use them as kind of example work. Maybe maybe let's not. Let's stop kidding ourselves about people coming together because politics is by definition divisive. Just let's just walk. What we have and try to. 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Ep 144 - You Dont Snooze, You Lose

Nobody Listens to Paula Poundstone

1:26:08 hr | 3 months ago

Ep 144 - You Dont Snooze, You Lose

"Starving coming to you. Live from our houses in los angeles california. It's nobody listens to paula. Poundstone your comedy field guide to life tonight. The big snooze what is sleep. Why do we need it. And how could anybody possibly sleep when we could be listening to any one of the one hundred forty four f of this very podcast like the one where captain crinkle describes how she put the ringtone on itunes and does Who sorry. I just anyway. Dr christina mcrae of the university of missouri sleep research lab is your schools in all things slumber epic also. Here's something that can keep you up at night. We've got a brand new contest for you and also also it's time for mailbag insider addition. You're curious about us and we have absolutely nothing to hide except the identity of a certain celebrity shower partner. I'm adam felber demand who tries to expertly guide this dreamy show through the rim cycle. All the way to deeper more restorative phases until the metaphorical cock crows. And now please welcome the woman who is the conversational equivalent of an unmanageable cat. Who spent the entire night knocking. Random shit off your dresser shelves. It's paula poundstone. How are you good. Good to hear your little voices and thanks to tonight's house spans cellist. Adam fisher adam fisher. That is we'll be performing his original animal. Songs live at the brooklyn botanical gardens on sunday april twenty fifth at one pm. That's one pm brooklyn time. Yes which is the same as all new york time. Yeah all right. So what's new is clear. No no you were very specific. It's been a crazy week. I have friends who run a food bank and i had told them that i would compost their waste. The 'cause there's a lot of fruits and vegetables that go bad somewhere in the process and so they don't get given out. And i was trying to do it like little bits at a time in the beginning but this last weekend through a miscommunication i ended up with forty gallons of fruits and rotten fruits and vegetables and i had to bring it home and trash bags in my car and my friend. Cathy dragged one of the bags across the parking lot and made holes in the bag accidentally and so it was all in my car. But i got it home and i said to myself okay. 'cause i had somebody helped me get into the car but i'm going to take out all by myself so i will do little bits at a time. And i had this idea. E-e-e-e-no adam how we have those sharp knives that we got from a sponsor i love that sponsored. I love those knives. Visit amis and knives a great knife. So my idea was. I would bring bucket falls of the rat. Vegetables and fruits into the kitchen chop with the knife put it in the blender and pour it into the compost because otherwise it was going to be too much compost. it would be. It would overwhelm the pile so i started doing this. And the main section. That i was working on was rotten broccoli and cabbage and the knife was. The knife was amazing. Chop chop chop. And then i put in the blender and then i mean this was hours and hours and hours and trip effort trip to the car and more stuff in the blender more pouring it into multiple and it is it was in my hair. It was all over my clothes. It kind of my red sweater still smells a couple times. I put it too high in the blender and it made it like come out so it was all over the cabinet so it was all over the floor was and it was mostly as i said rotten broccoli and cabbage so if anyone wants the recipe i can Yeah it was an amazing ordeal. And i didn't get along ended up putting the rest of it which is why i know it was forty gallons because i put the rest of it in these trash bins until i could later compost it. And let me tell you who. That's a powerful smell. That's you're good. That's just the story actually know the irony too is of course. I'm pouring this into my compost heap and the thing about compost is that it really doesn't smell generally because you covered over with the dirt within the compost deepen and it's a process and so it doesn't smell but this did and right here my neighbor's house that's good. Yeah yeah hey adam yes was answer the phone really trying to get the show started. Paul phone enter the aright. Hello hello adam. When he understood that we can't hang out after the game yet. Even though i did win the hundred because of the pandemic so i just wanna ask everyone to please wear the masks. Do their visits outside as much as possible. And keep your distance. Because i can't wait to hang out after the game with you. That's very good advice with take you out when he when he when he are you crying. No i just miss you. So much. Adam i've been reading moby dick just so i can feel close to you what. I don't know why you'd miss me when he we haven't ever spent time together ever before it like ever having an affair. We're not having an affair winning. Get your mind out of the out of the strange mixed affair. We called life it's moby dick. Didn't you read your chapters. Estonia neto tutoring you win. I just worry that your connection to me isn't healthy. That demon phantom sometimes other swims before all human hearts at a listen. I have to go. I'm doing my reading. You shouldn't be censured by. Adam witty did did she hang up on me. No she said goodbye. I heard her all right well. Let's let's move forward paul. This is exciting before we get to that demon phantom sometime or other swims before all human hearts. She's really reading the book. she's absolutely reading a book. I think that's this week's chapters in fact but before we get to this paula. I have exciting news that i've been wanting to get to today. We are pleased to announce a brand new contest. Are nobody's can compete for the amazing prize of zoom party with paula. And me up to fifty of your closest friends now that this is pretty exciting because we did this once before we did and we had a great time at that party it was especially now when a big party isn't something that we can really do something. I especially cherished so. Yeah now not. Everyone has fifty friends. I don't but up to fifty friends up to we will not be We're not be demanding. Fifty people show up before we start talking. We're we're sociable that way. So i bet you're wondering what's the contest. How does it work. Here's adam felber to tell you all about it. Adam thanks adam. Here's how this one works are calling the content. We're calling the contest the longest cat now. We all have cats. If you can figure out which of us has a cat with the longest name the one with the highest number of letters in it you will be entered into are drawing to win the big prize exciting. Yes it is. Here's the contest rules. The contest ends at eleven fifty nine pm. On tuesday april twenty eighth 2021 our entry one entry allowed for email address only correct answers will be eligible to win put into drawing. Here's what you do you go to this web address. I t. dot l. y. slash nfl tpp contest. Four two one. Now that's a load. I'm gonna say it again but know that you can get this offer social media's to that's be. it dash l. y. Slash nfl tpp contest for two one. You go there you fill out a form you put in your email address. You let us know which cat has the most letters in it and then you can be entered to win. One winner will be drawn to win. Zoom call which will be scheduled based on a mutually convenient day and time for paula. Poundstone adam felber and the winner. The winner will be contacted. That on may eleventh two thousand twenty one. Don't leave your house that day. The winner must you can leave. The winner must confirm nl. Tpp by may fifteenth or a new name will be polled tara. Longest cat were you thinking that someone wouldn't be able to remember b. I t. dot l. y. slash p contest. Four to one. I was thinking it might be a little bit. Especially if they're driving right now to remember be. It dot l. y. slash contests for to one. So i wanted to give them the option. Let them know if you go to our facebook page or twitter feed. You can find that address. We're going to pin it right to the top right tony anita hall. Yes we will so by the way eh lt p p now i've never worked for the cia. But i'm gonna tell you this it's the abbreviation for. Nobody listens to postpone stone. That you crack the code now the four to one. I don't get but we'll you know april twenty need twenty one forty one stands for and what is it significant of the date april twenty one. No i'm just saying it's april of two thousand twenty one. That's my mind was when i. I'm sorry it's a link anyone who's my age knows with balas is to midi. I have no idea what that is. It's one of the more prominent of the of the commercial link shortening services so that it can be a short and memorable web address and not something are there are there are shortening services. There are know. I'm not a religious person but i would go to a link shortening service. You only short needs service. No i don't know your business. Does your dates do you use link shortening service. My gosh this is like when this was like when maj had the woman soaking in palmolive and she didn't even know it. You're currently soaking link shortening. Wow i love that. And with that. Order order i am calling the moby dick club order it is not a moby dick book club. The nobody listens to paula. Poundstone book club. That is reading moby. Dick you don't change the name of the club every time you read a different book. I guess i'm hoping that this is the only book. This club have nice. I'm getting really tired of the book club. But i think we've inspired so many people to have a love of literature as a result of this book club. I take great pride in that okay. I think you're right but let me just tell you guys. What have we read chapters off. Forty six to fifty five this week and i was getting bored so what i did is i started reading it aloud to my cat moonbeam and it was It was actually a pretty exciting. Actually a pretty exciting sections things are finally happening. I mean we're we're hearing the legend of moby. Dick we're finding out the captain ahab completely crazy. We hear something underneath in the hold and then it turns out that he's got this whole like weird second crew that's their exclusively to hunt dick with him and then it turned into kind of this go story because they think they see the spout every night and go out there. And there's no whale and they talk to other ships and they're asking for tales of moby dick and a hero tale of a guy who got killed. It was a really exciting bunch of chapters. I thought hey. Let's go to sherman oaks calif for tony. Anita take on this. So i've been spending a lotta time with my cat mr tow boats. But that's not the reason why i didn't read the book you know. I'm against reading this book now. And i didn't read them told dolly parton new. We're going to read the book. Oh my god so you didn't lie to dolly parton. Your goal is to pardon. Tony all right go ahead. Let me let me defend myself. So i you know. I don't think i can act with this up. There are no female characters in it. There was not true not true. Good point nine. it's not fire. The entire industry of whaling didn't really pass the bacteria test. yes so listener. David snyder from oberlin. Ohio recommended a book called a wife by sina jeter nass message and i think that's what i'm going to read instead of moby dick. No your listener. Who you've got rogue you've got rolled. Listeners is as much as i love. You do not send in recommendations shit. Tony can read instead of the book. That's absurd so. Can i tell you the opening line. Yes yes captain ahab with neither my husband nor my last. Isn't that so much more. Intriguing than call me ishmael. No no mister toad. My cat would agree. Well maybe mr totes and you should set up your own book club because you just kind of fucking us over tony. Yeah where where are the women. There is a woman in the book. It's the learner's wife no the owner sister. Excuse me the owner sister. Not only who wrote the in relation to the woman who runs chowder. Okay okay to you okay. How many chapters do they exist in out of the hundred thirty five. We're not gonna tell you you find out from your captain ahab wife book. I i in how that goes yeah. Yeah she tony's going to read the moby moby dick book of names she. She's just don't understand what you must have been a terrible student teacher student now. She i know the teacher everyone else. The teacher would say everyone. Open your books and tony from the back in the room agree. Make me now that was you. I think it's kind of weird that it took this long. Tony free to go like you know what. There's no women in this book. I mean it's it's not called moby vaj on follow. I've been trying to figure out why. I'm not connecting with the material. That's why that's possible totally possible. Let's let's go talk to somebody else here because if somebody else i could talk to tony. I'm gonna talk to your supervisor. Let's go to bunny burns. Who does connect with this. Well okay. i found these chapters really gut wrenching. You know. I was on the edge of the books. Were were good. They were intriguing. I you're right. There was a little bit more action than there has been and that was gut wrenching. Got no order. I pull up money. Burns has the floor and possibly a gastric disorder ching. Yeah couldn't you know where the creepy guys got in the boat and a and a have manipulating the you know. Get what he wanted. But at first when i was reading my was thinking a helps going after what he wants at all costs. He doesn't care about people he's just you know life or death. Whatever it is. He just wants what he wants. And it's an allegory to like if somebody wants success and they think it's going to bring him happiness. And then you know like people die in the way blah blah blah. But the more. I read the this and you know it's really take this writer on time to get to the point. By the time. I got to chapter fifty five high. Didn't remember anything from the beginning. So the one pleasurable thing that had happened we have a really cool cat named tiger and when we got him we got him. He was like a rescued. In what way was he like a rescue cat. He was rescued community. You could say. That's with senator burns has the floor. We get this cat. We'd take him home. My daughter was seven. Whatever so we get them home and we had this little plastic red cup like that. You put toothbrushes in. The cat was on the floor and he held that cup in his in his two little pots and then he was like making these really sort of lake where this sounds like that. Were unusual any sort of odd stripe coloring so we look up in a book and all the descriptions fit a bank account. Which you know is pretty expensive. Site called the pet store. And i said you know. I don't think you guys realize like what you gave us was a bengal cat and the lady said. No we knew we gave you a bengal cat. But you didn't know that it was a bengal cat and that's why we let you have it so his name's tiger and he's a really cool cat is this-in moby dick. Yeah what the hell does happen fact. I just thought i'd tell you the story. She'd be censured. I moved to well. You can move to censure. i can it. Oh my god yes. I can't say i'm sticking ranked to learn about moby dick and i hear a story about buddies cat holding a cup. Why am i listening to that. How many cats get on a cup in their pause. I'm holding a voter. All in favor of censoring body burns. Say i i clearly we. We've we're all here and yet we somehow don't have a quorum. Let's continue. Let's move on what's your take on on moby dick this week order order all right so as you guys know. I have the floor as you guys know. I listened to the whole book within the first couple of weeks. But now in order in order to sort of backtrack to be with you slow pokes. I've been reading it. I think we were supposed to read chapters forty five to fifty five this week so i was reading a and i got as far as what. There may be of the narrative in this book. Which is the first sentence of chapter forty five. When i heard my cats chamois. i'll row really loudly in front of the closet. And when i opened the clinton closet to get a cloth mike catt. Ceo ran in there. I wanna grab theo to pull him out. He grabbed that silver vent hose thing on the furnace with his claws torrent and pulled it off when i get out the phone book to find a repairman and yes. I do still use a phone book. Many of the businesses in the yellow pages have closed. Anyway when i get out the phone book my cat. Wednesday peed on it and i called the repairman and sat down to read moby dick with the soda. An- my cat misses fuzzy wig. Not the soda over. I cleaned it up and sat down to read again. And then i heard a muffled. Meow sound. I opened the cleaning closet and my cat. Hardy had gone into the hall where the van was attached to the furnace. I pulled her out and sat down to read. But by that time my cat harrison. Who's the schedule keeper in. My house can't hold a couple tell you that. By that time. I can't harrison at me to feed them and i tried to read again today but the minute i sat down my cats everest. Start a fight with my cat. Tonks you just cannot read moby dick and not see this as an omen so i stopped and you know what what what i really want a kitten do it all right and i am going to call the meeting of our book club which is now three quarters of us reading moby. Dick one reading a halves wife to close all right. Do you have a word this week. I do have the word atom. Wait let me just how adami do ever word it's inveigh. It's a verb that means speak or write someone with great hostility here a sentence. Most republicans in congress fear telling the truth because the former guy will inveigh against them nice. Let's let's put it right in our vocabulary. Saen wait here. This week's were inveigh. It's a verb means speaker right about someone with great hostility. Sports fans do this when a player doesn't show agility last week's word was shoddy fried. It's announced that means pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune. I wouldn't mind if mar-a-lago shut down through may or june the week before that the word was imbued. It's an adjective that means not changing or able to be changed. What if the furniture on the titanic couldn't be rearranged going back before that the word was ultra grappa dairy in. It's an adjective that means expressing opinions on matters outside the scope of one's now your expertise it's also announced that means someone you described as ultra crept per derian ultra ultra crept pedestrian. I think it's safe to eat. That uncooked burien. A not long ago we had insensate. It's an adjective that means lacking sympathy or compassion. Unfeeling get up and do my chores. Even though you're still healing let's never forget kalama free which i pronounce wrong until nobody. James hider corrected me. It's an and that means confused jumble or medley of things hodgepodge. Who's podge hodgepodge. Adam doesn't think my song is replicable. Replica replica ball. But i do. I do i do i. 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Nobody today and if you're going to do it anyway. User code on this day in unremarkable history. Jane goodall said do i tell flow. The david greybeard is having an affair. I mean the chimpanzees. But she's my friend. Thank you house band adam. Fisher paula even though you somewhat famously. Don't have a bed. you are a big fan of sleep i am. I love to sleep in fact when i wake up in the morning. Sometimes the only thing that gets me moving is the idea that the sooner i get up get all my shit done. The sooner i can get back to sleep. Which makes me curious about how it works and why it is so damn good. Well paula. poundstone. We are fortunate to have an expert on that very topic by coincidence. She has a doctorate in clinical psychology from washington university. And now runs the mizzou sleep research lab at the university of missouri. Her research focuses on co morbid insomnia objective and subjective sleep assessment and day to day variability in sleep related behaviors. Let's welcome dr christina. Mcrae doctor thank you for having me. Yes we're so glad you're here. Let's just jump right in dr mccray. What happens when we sleep. That could be a really long answer but me give you the short of it Physical and mental restoration. Sleep is a find out. Foundational health behavior along with exercise nutrition ended impacts our health physically and mentally in also impacts our quality of life That sleep in a nutshell. That's that's a good answer. That's a really good gonna you're correct. Now let's go onto the bonus round um how much at doesn't know if you're correct by the way it's no he's he's an ultra crept derian. You wanna know. Do you want that was hitting me. How much sleep do we need. A doing what i do i i hate that question on. What but i know. Everybody wants to ask it Because so there are we start off sleeping the most where we're going gonna sleep when we're abc's and then it. Sort of goes downhill progressively from there. So you start off you know leading fourteen to seventeen hours as an instance Till you reach till you're sixty five and over about seven or eight hours a night. So i know everyone tries to get that mythical eight hours. I hear it all the time in the reason. I don't like that question. Because of what i do work with insomniacs and sometimes the over-focus on how much sleep one is or isn't getting is part of the problem. So yes oh. Wow that is the most liberating thing to hear because i am an insomniac lifelong. Yep you're you're you're the type of person i work with All day just about every day feels like sometimes so the reason. I don't like that question is that i would prefer to have you. Focus on sleeping in a consolidated block of sleep because often people with insomnia. There're sleep is sort of chopped up throughout the night. The taking kind of all satan. They wake up a lot during the night. I would much rather see you. Sleep a consolidated block of sleep and then look at how you're feeling functioning during the day as the gauge of when we hit you right amount of sleep for you. Oh so like. Listen to what my body's saying about how i feel rather than just beat up on myself every day for fifty years about not having enough sleep exactly yeah. How are you feeling functioning during the day. And once we got you to where you're seeping embiid solid block and you're feeling good during the day. Then we've had on your the number that's right for you. Wow here's another way. You might work with yourself. Adam and with your patients dr macrae is instead of worrying. About how much sleep you know obsessing over how much sleep people are getting. They could just be concerned about being a wake less just a different way of phrasing battle. Yeah might be very helpful. Although i completely don't understand it well maybe you could lay awake and sort it out soon. What what happens when we don't sleep so the short answer is bad things. But it hasn't negative impact on our health mentally and physically and i particularly like to point out right now since we're in the midst of a pandemic that not sleeping well can have an impact on our immune functioning. Oh have nip. It can have an impact on our you know our heart our cardiovascular system. It can have an impact on memory and learning mood. You can be more irritable. You're not sleeping. well true. After farley mohit book came out or maybe after the movie came out never quite wolf. There was sort of this idea. Member wolf naps like wolves sleep for like twenty minutes at a time or something like that. There was sort of an idea at one point that maybe that was a good idea that you you'd sleep for a little while and then you do something. Then he sleeps. Why why won't that work so in the in the work that i do with people who have insomnia we actually encourage not napping during the day and we use the analogy of napping is like snacking before dinner. So you wouldn't have your appetite for sleep the logger. You're awake the more. You're increasing mayor. Sleep drive. And if you take that nap you're sort of reducing that sleeps drive a little bit. You might not sleep as well then at night. Now is is sleep retroactive. Like how some people will just sort of bossed s all week getting not enough sleep a week and then they say well i sleep on the weekend is does it work that way that we all wish it would sleep sleep debt a thing i hear about a lot it is a thing but you i mean i know we all wish like oh. We slept one hour less each day during the week. So we'll see five hours more on the weekend and we'll make up for that nut. Fortunately it doesn't quite work that way it takes to sleep is cumulative but it takes longer than a day or two to serve make up for not having slapped while and we're not even sure if you really and truly can completely you know make up for sleep in that way but boy. I could ask all the time as we ask in my research for people to maintain consistent bed in wait times. Sometimes that's difficult and boy. They really wanna take advantage of the weekends. Say like why didn't do so well in the league. But i'm gonna make up for the weekend. We know that unfortunately doesn't work so well. Oh i'm now does sweep on an airplane like for forty one years. I traveled a lot. I would often get you know couple of hours of sleep in a bed and then most of my sleep was just traveling on the airplane. Airplane sleep when your neck has kind of bobbing up and down and you're drooling and deeply humiliated. Is that the same as sleeping in bed. So that's a somewhat complicated question There's all kinds of tips about how to sleep better on airplane in because most people find it somewhat difficult right you got lots going on around you. You're not comfortable as you described so for most people sleeping on a plane is not going to be the same as sleeping in their bed but obviously trying to get you can on a plane as opposed to not sleeping at all. Might be better for you than as i said not sleeping at all but i mean how do you feel when you're sleeping on the plane. That's you'll like you're actually not your because you don't sleep in the battery right but when i the minute my butt hurts the seat like a lot of times for the most part. If i'm traveling alone. And i sit down then i fall asleep and there's times where it turns out. There was like a hours of delay. Or maybe we never even took off. And i don't know about it. Because i was just asleep. Wow the whole time so you you sleep well on a plane. Maybe that maybe it's the opposite for me. Maybe sleeping at home is really fucking me up and i need an airplane. I'm hoping insurance is going to cover that. What i'm hoping leonardo davinci said a day brings happy sleep. A well-spent life brings happy death. Way to bring the room down leo. But we'll come back and try to rebound from that when we return on the canada. Week is maude from shas. Washington Kiwi believes in the power of kids and that small lessons today can mean big world changing ideas tomorrow so they want kickstart curiosity creation and innovation in kids right here right now. With a kiwi co subscription. Your child gets a new crate full of fun science and art projects every month. And i gotta tell you. During this pandemic i was really glad that we picked up a key sponsor because those kids have been fun. I've said this on the podcast before my daughter and i have made. We've made those little things. Climb ropes we've made a walking robot. We've we've played with kaleidoscope. There's so much fun and the kids are so easy to use and teach you even me. Didn't the robot get out of control and start moving furniture in the middle of night while you guys were sleeping and creating having wasn't a problem with the robot rampage around the neighborhood. Yeah yeah yeah but we've almost completely paid back our neighbors for all the damage so i would do it again. Two thumbs up still. It's amazing that you're able to build a robot inspire a lifetime of curiosity and learning in kids. Kiwi code does the legwork for you so you can spend more quality time tackling projects together. The best part watching their confidence grow as big as their smile. There's no telling. What a kiwi co kid can do kickstart curiosity creation and innovation in kids today and discover a brighter. Tomorrow get thirty percent off your first month plus free shipping on any crate line with the code. Get ready for this paula. At kiwi co dot com. That's thirty percent off your first month at k. w. i c. o. Com promo code paula. If you're gonna do it anyways use our code and if you weren't gonna do it anyways why not bad. We are back with dr christina. Mcrae now dr. Why can't i sleep. Why do you think you can't sleep. I think it's a combination of a lot of things. So let me before we get into me. Which is really what i'm here about. Why don't you tell us some of the most common things that are keeping people from sleeping. The oh i know one thing. I know one thing shirley and up but it's this how 'bout when when i used to do that when i put my kids to bed they could not sleep okay. That's probably one us. Sorry sorry to interrupt. I just rarely have an answer. And when i had that i get excited marks on that poll. Yeah much it Definitely one there are a variety of factors that can impact someone sleep. But i would say these days. The screen time is a really big issue for folks and i During the pandemic gets even more so than it was before it's just so hard to put those devices down To sort of lake start the whole relaxing in going to bed process and i think people tend to stay up later. You're sort of surfing around. Yeah definitely i've put come a stimulus junkie. I think looking for sort of a hit of especially political kind of stuff. I find myself filling a whole lot of times addictive. But isn't it also sort of a vicious cycle like you can't sleep so you read and you read and interest you so you can't sleep even more that to be lifelong that's been happening with me. Definitely for some people when they can't sleep will say if you're going to make something boring don't make it like a novel that you're gonna get all wrapped up in where you're like got to get to the next chapter and then the next chapter next That's defeating the whole purpose. So he had to be sort of selective about what you're going to do and then we also recommend if you're in a moment insomnia. We recommend that you get out of the bed out of your bad all your bedroom. Go to something in another room if you are having difficulty falling asleep so that you don't associate your bed your bedroom bedtime. All that with being awaken wait for activities. Oh it's like training up a puppy or something. What about if adam gets up from his bed goes to the living room and he does use woodworking tools. Is that what we do at that. Might that might impact the sleep of some of my family members credible bandsaw therefore so that is something that we have to work with people to sort of make sure that the activities that they're picking doesn't become serve part of the problem so you know i have worked with uber like oh i'm gonna get up in big twenty pies for my church or whatever it is. They're doing right now. That's the first needs to be something. That is sort of low key a little bit boring so that as soon as you start to feel sleepy then you can go back to bed activities that you're describing are things that you might really get into then we don't want to go back to sleep. You get sort of more activated. Those church people the ones that want to make the price for their church. They should read that book of the bible. That has the begets. you know. Maybe i can do zone so and so and so beget so. And so i mean it really is not a page. Turner that section. So that would that could do it. let me tell you a little bit about the different sleep stages so you've probably heard that we ought okay. It's time to go to bed. Get a terrorist. I'm so sorry. That is the time that my twelve year old is needs to start his sleep routine and he's supposed to be in bed by nine. I forgot to turn that off my apologies so you probably know that we throughout the night are sleep cycles through four stages four to five times during a typical night and one side wall takes out on a little over an hour to two hour sort of in that range and the stage is a broken into ram which his rapid eye movement sleep. Which you've probably heard of and then three stages of non rem sleep and so we start off sleep with going from the non rem stage wom to the lightest transitioning sleep to stage to just again still a later. Stage easily awoken Stage one and then into stage three which is also known as slow wave sleep and then you go into the rapid eye movement sleep an interesting thing about the rapid eye movement. Sleep is it sometimes referred to as paradoxical sleep because your brain is as active as you were when you're awake but a lot of your musculature is paralyzed me. With the exception of reading your heart still meeting in that type of thing and it's thought that that occurs that you're not you often have your ten streams during that state it's not without occurs so that you're not acting out your dreams. Wow oh we gotta get my dog some of that yes seriously because because you know their legs move a lot when they're having bad dreams they sure do there's fucked up as i am. I a friend. A comic friend who used to say sleep is death without the responsibility. I always liked now. Thomas edison famously. Slept very little and he was tremendously. Productive genius are there. Are there flukes to these sleep theories there and not adam. Adam is now one of the flukes to the sleep theories. Just keep that in mind. You don't know that i could. I know you're not i. I do know that. I did a study done a study. You don't do a study. So there are these sort of unique individuals that we hear about are highly productive and have unusual sleep patterns with edison. I think wasn't he. A frequent napper caught napping throughout the day and e did nap. Sometimes they were according to the biography. That i listened to the naps were very brief and he often would work. You know twenty four forty eight work days in a row and then sleep but he would yes. He would sort of lay down in a corner and uses jacket for a pillow. And then wake up in a little while and be hard back at it. Yeah and i don't know that also told you. Because i looked him up as well. This is interesting that he would hold like metal balls and so's he was drifting off he would drop them not wake him up and he'd write down all his thoughts Came up with his inventive thoughts. Did you see that might be really interesting. Not how could this not have said that. No i never heard that. Oh my gosh well that was. I think i do something similar in that. Occasionally i fall asleep reading. And if it's a hard cover book it hits me in the head me too. And then i wake up and dog ear it and go to bed so the dark. Apparently for yes down. I guess i should do. People get paid to be a subject and sleep studies. they do. I'm so happy. I found my niche paid to we pay our dispense who arctis fate in our research studies. And i think most researchers do i gotta say. I don't see how that could possibly work. I mean not not not for me. I mean the idea that i would have to. You know it's hard enough for me to look at the clock and realize i'm not getting enough sleep and keeps me up to fall asleep in a laboratory setting. I just don't think i could do it. Well it just sting is saying that. That the people i work with i have insomnia. They often sleep better somewhere other than their own bedroom bedroom and plus when they wake up. Don't they go on the wheel on. We have run on now. So the research vied do is. We are paying people for their time time. Essentially it's compensation for the time that they give to the study but then usually my research involves giving them some sort of treatment and then we look at how their sleep is after the treatment so not literally coming having come into the lab and say okay if you sleep eight hours you're getting eighty dollars eight nine you know. It's not that type of payment for us god. I could've made a shitload of money. When you say you'll give them some sort of treatment like what kinds of things. What kinds of things yes ally. I do all non drug types of treatments and so we focus on behaviors and thought patterns that we know interfere with sleep and so we do a treatment called cognitive behavioral informed sabathia. And it's actually the recommended treatment for chronic insomnia and then we're also testing out. Some new things were using a virtual reality tank with treatment. That were testing. That's brand new to us. We've just developed the protocol those those types of things now. I'm glad you're not using the the drugs. I tried ambien for a little while. And i just hated it. That was just that just rotten. A terrible i'd get sleep. But i i never felt good in the morning. Yeah and that's the case for a lot of people once you have a chronic Sleep type of problem that's where you the recommending the medications typically isn't the the route for somebody had a chronic problem once it gets beyond three months if you had the difficulty falling staying asleep or you're waking up on refreshed in the morning waking up earlier than you want. In the morning you have insomnia. Chronic insomnia were not typically recommend a medication that situation. The cognitive behavioral treatment fronts on is often the other things that people recommend like like warranty or melatonin or any of those things or milk or milk. Yeah we actually tell people if you're not in a big meal and a couple of hours bed time but if he's feeling absolutely have to have something. Say like maybe. A small glass of milk is fine but in terms of milk itself as the treatments. I don't. I don't think there's a lot of evidence to support that. That's going to be your best bet. omar is. Have you ever been to a farm at night. The cabs elites cows. They don't treat them the cavs. Oh my god you can't wake him. Yeah yeah trying to get a calf anything for you after five. Pm it's not gonna work. No there are also young remember. I said the young we younger. I mean i'm thinking. I can't when you're very young. You tend to sleep on sort of wake decreases sleep across the lifespan. Important to yeah. 'cause melatonin melatonin helpful. Should i be taken that. This is another one. The hats people say yes. People are always right. They are So this is one where it gets difficult because it's hard to know what is in what you're getting if you buy it at your local pharmacy. No because it's not regulated But it is used often like with certain groups like kids with autism know. Naloxone is used a lot and very frequently people come into my research studies. They're using melatonin as as well. But when you're taking it for insomnia you really need to work with someone who knows what they're doing a knows when you should be taking your needs to take like a couple hours before you wanna actually fall asleep Take it and then you immediately fall asleep. So i think the problems are. You don't know how potent the particular melatonin that you've gotten and then i think often how it's administered people aren't ministering it correctly so i think that's part of the problem with melatonin and if you have a chronic insomnia problem again. I'm always recommend the cognitive behavioral strategies like that. Because we know that your thoughts and your behaviors of the things that sort of help to maintain a chronic. Sleep problems like insomnia. Ah right We should probably wrap it up. But i did just want to ask you one more question and i get this from mostly. I don't know warner brothers cartoons. Or maybe some tom and jerry's what about a mallet. Yeah that's a fair question. Blunt trauma to the head out good. Is that as a sleep aid. Yeah i'm not going to recommend that fries your your doctors doodo so i guess your fear. The fifth doctor christine of a great that was excellent. But now i'm afraid what we're going to have to do is take all that knowledge that you unfolded for us and stuff into the old poundstone later and see what comes out. Paula house band. Cellist adam fisher. You sound terrific and we're so grateful to have your wonderful music on our show if i could tasked with providing some background music while i tell you what the pounds to nater spit out. Everybody wants to know how much sleep they're supposed to get. But dr mccray has a better question which is how do you feel and function during the day. If you're the top of your game you're probably in the sweet spot sleep schedule wise. This is a life changing concept for me. I do shit wrong. All the time and i never just my sleep schedule as a result that changes right now more than once. I asked women who weren't pregnant when their baby was do once. You make that mistake even once. It should be the last time but if i ever again say to a woman when is the baby due and she says i'm not pregnant i'm gonna close my eyes right then and there slumped to the floor and say i'm just gonna come out for a couple of hours because clearly. I am not at my best. Next time i get pulled over driving and the cop says stopped you because you made an illegal u-turn. Can i see your license and registration. I'll say yes sir officer you are absolutely right. I'm just barking up right and left. My body is telling me. I'm not getting the right amount of sleep so i'm just gonna put my seat back and have a nap and i will be happy to get you my license and registration after that by the way. How are you functioning today sir. This passenger seat goes back if you need a few more hours of sleep. She's head of the sleep research lab at the university of missouri. And she has been just so great. Thank you so much. Dr christina mcrae everybody thank you so much is really informative and i i. I'm going to bed coming up next. Why are you having trouble sleeping. Because you're just so darned curious about us and the way we run our little show. It's time for mailbag insider edition when we return. We deserve to know what we're putting in our bodies and why especially when it comes to something we take every day rituals clean. Vegan friendly multivitamin is formulated with high quality nutrients and bioavailable forms. Your body can actually use. So i've taken ritual vitamins. 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Our listeners have been paying close attention to our lives and the way the show works and well they have questions about us and the way we run this joint and we're pulling them out of what well we thought we'd pull them out for mailbag inside russian tradition. Okay so tony. Anita hall are resident reacher into the mailbag inside edition. Step up to the mike and rita. Some mailbag up okay. I think we're ready. I'm how quietly you say insider edition. I'm still going to do this with the glock inch bill. I listening to wait it out on us. So this is from christopher chadwick. I've been listening to the show. Since the beginning. And i have no idea why senator sanders calls. Adam compass head. What did i miss. You miss the episode. Where senator sanders started calling me clearly. Want to tell the story. I believe it was one of our earliest auctions. When senator bernie sanders dropped by for the first time the that is correct competed. I be honest with you. Because you can expect from from me from bernie this forgotten why i remember. I remember to go ahead. Because he study out a natural sense of direction i believe that when we were auctioning off louis clocks boat. Yeah he was an arrogant ass and said he usually do. Nor i would not describe arrogant ass. He did say at the time that he knew it. True north at anytime he was asked and that is where comic said came from. I don't see how that's that's absolutely right. Senator sanders. But i don't see how that's display of arrogance or ask ascot okay. I feel badly that. I use that word i really do. It's great you said late at the captain crinkle on the record as having called adam of an arrogant s. It's on the record on the record. Please seven he said he could stick his head out the window and look in any direction heading and he knew what direction that was. Louis defame nuts. Absolutely not what. I was saying know where i is. Why why on earth would he stick his head out to win. That doesn't sound eric. Cantona stupid i would stick. Were the dog sticking his head centers. I'm not a dog. And i never said i stick my hand out the window. This is all being said. Look out the window then. Why critical if i can ask why stick your head out the window. What it makes no sense. I senator sanders. You might not be aligned with any party or an independent famously. But if you could do me the favor of introducing a sense of the senate resolution censuring captain crinkle for this conduct. I would be very very very free. She she'll be. She should be censored she should be. Absolutely i would support. I would support censoring captain crinkle at this time. It's unacceptable first of all. When i heard you say his head. Naturally i thought you were going to say up his ass. Wait a that's what i thought. That's exactly what i talk and that's why this is inappropriate. A cue thank you. I think Let's thank you senator sanders and christopher chadwick tony. What else is in. That mailbag wait. Wait fuck what was i thinking. Oh my goodness anyone else you got. This is from jeffrey. James god damn it. I'm outraged that you would. I was absolutely outraged. By what a captain crinkle bunny boy hundred. Say about our friend. Adam felber age. I believe this listener has put into words. The way i felt which was outrage right. But we haven't really gotten to beyond the word outrage in particular what it does not take anymore words to express the way that i felt i would say to you. Let me be clear outrage. I felt outraged. I would like to be clear. I want to make sure we move to censure senator at this point only anita position. Frankly let me be clear. Essential that's absurd. that's just reach your hand into the mailbag. Just read to us. Go ahead okay. I'm so hesitant here we go. I am outraged that you would all be believe you. Something very juvenile is going on here and we are adults and we leaders and we are above. What's happening here. I apologize tony on behalf of paula. Poundstone i don't know what's gotten into her but compensated. I owe you an apology apology. Captain winco not so much aussie with the reading is aims okay. I am outraged that you all be disrespectful to the great novel moby dick instead. You know that. I share that feeling enter sanders. You're out of order. I feel that i can i. This is my. I'm mooning for elizabeth warren senator city. She would have been a fine president of she. would i. i too voted for elizabeth warren. Let me be clear. I support elizabeth warren. Very much I am also outraged as jeffrey j. Above disrespect to the great novel moby. Dick you know. I i recall. It's been quite a while. Since i read the novel myself but i don't recall that got rid issues was is what we want. We need to get rid of the filibuster chopped to let me be clear in particular chapter. Forty five was got wrenching. Tony i'm gonna. I'm gonna let you i'm gonna let you finish. I'm i'm gonna. I'm gonna let you finish as well. Tony go ahead thank you. Thank you competent that jeffrey james is outraged about our disrespect to the novel moby. Dick instead you talk about possible magazine and bonnie tripping on over the counter painkillers by the way can you share the part about cleaning drawers. Thank you jeffrey. James cleaning drawer because nobody knows what. He's talking about paula. Bron magazine about cleaning. Because you couldn't find cosmo right. I do recall. That was a fascinating read. I spent the entire night dusting night. I yield back. My mail bag duty does dude. I came in chop. I yield nine mailbags duties to to senator sanders you takeover mail bag. I quit does not that is not according to polo entry procedure. Tony you cannot do. I cannot support what leonito has suggested. You are the i can help. I know clog withdrawal. Show happy support. Look everyone it's senator amy. Klobuchar is in this great all right. So i share as i'm sure you do senator klobuchar. 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Hour 2:Johnny D, Ben Glass

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1:15:15 hr | 2 years ago

Hour 2:Johnny D, Ben Glass

"And right now, we're going to hear from Johnny de and I sent out the express bet showdown results from the the weekend. And it was certainly plenty of opportunity in those races for the showdown players to pick some prices, and they racked up some nice some nice numbers will go over those. But we got plenty to talk about Johnny good morning. Warren stevie. How was your weekend in Florida? Nice nice. We we basically played played Friday played that carry over sequence at at Akwa in and that was fun to the pick five carryover caught that for for a terrific return paid like twice the parlay. And that was that made the weekend. And then of course, you know, we all did the Dubai the Dubai Gulfstream. Santa Anita troika there and and made for a you know, a good fourteen hour day. Yeah. You can find great places to watch and wager on the races at Gulfstream got some, you know, good areas, but go to so when you have those kinds of days with those long days when you're playing doubleheaders are triple headers, there's there's some nice places to go watch the races and also maybe grounded by d. Well, start Johnny wherever you want. And that that could have been on could have been on Friday. I know the effect. I I haven't mentioned it, but you had another another monstrous payout in the in the Strack. You had you had a forty nine dollar winner in the Gulfstream eleventh, which triggered a a thirty two thousand dollar five payout. New York, the the carryovers thirteen hundred dollars for the pick five and then eight thousand for the for the the whole pick six that was I I really enjoyed playing the the Akwa sequences and then that fed into Saturday. How'd you make out? Well, didn't do anything spectacular. But I think one comment coming out of the weekend was that the strana five continues to be just a really great that. I it's it's hard difficult, but you don't have to too many of them because this past week as you mentioned there were some some big winners are actually. What they're not. I mean, one of them was crazy virtue almost fifty dollar winner in leg five at Gulfstream Park, which is eleven three clock strikes twelve at forty nine. Forty looks good talks the Golden Gate fields fifth race paid fifteen eighty. But you know, yet three dollar winter yet thirteen eighty winter it a five sixty winter. So I mean when it comes back paying thirty two thousand dollars, man, I know it's a function of of two three things really heels are decent the the takeouts low, and it's a dollar rage. And when you throw in a couple couple of big price sources, it's it's almost I know, I know it's it's funny covert on Friday. It's kind of like. You know, you you have to kind of look forward and plan a plan for, but I think it's something you should put on your handicapping calendar. Because this we could start the first race then go until five sixteen I think it was the the ninth race at laurel. So you know, that's kind of a Friday afternoon. Maybe your work is winding down or about mid afternoon, you'd think theirselves. What am I going? What's going on? I need some action and you start to look the PP's. I think the stock five is it is a good way to kind of dive into the weekend. Just get got a running start into the weekend. The pales- have been insatiable. No doubt. No doubt. And and it it does seem that. There's there's always one race and very frequently. It's the nightcap whether it's been Golden Gate race or or of the Gulf. Whatever the there's been a squirrelly race. It's either the for a lot of times. It's either the first of the last. Correct. And the traditionally they've been it's been laurel or Golden Gate. We're getting that bomber. But now, you know, he had gall seen bombers weekend, and and a couple of double digit winters along the way leading up to that. So it's I try to figure out a pattern, but you're right about the last race. But I haven't really detected any pattern other than that. Well, the it continues. And there's also been there's also been some nice rewards in the the cross country pick five that has generally been, Oaklawn, and and and naira tied. So there's there's these are the multi-race ball detract, bats are we've enjoyed them from the outset from the original magnify. And then there was the one season of the of of the south Sinatra mid Atlantic sixty minutes six which people may not if you're of a certain age of getting involved in the game. You may not remember. But there was a absolutely amazing six that that worked really well for for about eight weeks and took took a tremendous amount of of coordination that was sows concept. And and it was. Little short lived. But they're fun. The. And we're warning they they seem to really they intrigued they challenged and they pay so let's get into Saturday Johnny and your pressures of what went on and Dubai. Divi would have to say. I better -taining. And and I heard you earlier suggest that they cut back on some of the fanfare be in between the races, which you know, you have to remember there's a wagering over there. So people need something to be entertained in between races. They really have. There's not a lot of handicapping going on. So I think they do need to have a little entertainment. But as you said it was cut back quite a bit. My take away from Dubai. I was really impressed with almond die. Yeah. That was just talk about an in hand dominating performance. There were so exciting races. No doubt about it. Too. By World Cup gave us I on several levels, which you've already mentioned gronkowski shocking us again with the or shocking. Megan I should say with a performance better than what I expected, thunder snow. He may be poster boy for for the may Don racetrack, they should probably just put a statue of him somewhere. He loves that place. And that's clear. So that was exciting race. You know, I think this year's World Cup was an example of how it's difficult for racist too. Hold their quality year after year after year, take take nothing away from thunder, snow or gronkowski. But it was not one of talking to rank is one of the top you Dubai World Cup fields of all time. That's for sure. But it was exciting race on the last and racist. Can't be you know, you can't have that. You know, it's one of the reasons why. I kind of pleaded with people to. And I learned this lesson young because when affirmed an alley door battle food triple crown in seventy eight affirm winning triple crown, and then you had that period there of triple crown winner secretariat his performances, then you then you go all that time to get to American sorrow not to say that we didn't have great horses in between because we did. But you know, I was around when I was young, but I was around with John Henry and and. You know? So his what he did it's racist. Unbelievable. I look back in the past for four now of his of his resume, and I can't believe how great he was. And I was I know it was looking news. But when you're young you can't appreciate greatness when you're in. It's mit. Why who's you don't have anything to compare it to you haven't been through the leaders, you know, and I think, you know, I'm gonna list. The greatest rates I ever saw. I think. Yes. I it's hard to argue at secretary Thelma that's hard to argue. But for me because of what he had overcome. I who he was running by in the stretch, and what the horse he defeated went on to do the next year. I think that arrogance World Cup was the greatest race. I've seen a horse rump. Just absolutely way down at the start last not his style. Not we're going to be a around the woods go shipped around the world race. And he just overcomes. The whole thing to win in such dominant performance now is ever seen. And that's often the case when we see is great performances, but you can't appreciate that on unless you have some kind of a backdrop unless you have ability compared to compare things to our get American Farrell justify what justify did. You know, I'm going to continue to harbor Nisshin. So I take my last breath was. It was incredible. Not not that he won the triple crown. But then he started in February and won the triple crown eat is just an incredible achievement. Everything has to go. So absolutely perfectly. You have to have the horse. He has to respond to what you're asking to do. He has to be head and shoulders above the others yet you have to hit the the calendar perfectly. Every race has to offer that hitch and by the way. You know, and and as I mentioned the horses three of marching by saying guy, Bob, I it's no coincidence. Also that. Back for was able to take. To take justify and after his maiden race now bathroom nude could run. There's no doubt about that. Many people knew he could run, but he wins his maiden and baffling. I have the luxury of running him in an allowance race. And that re-, and then stepping up to, you know, not the top competition, but say competition he may he was able to make each gradual steps with justify bringing him along. He didn't go from maiden rate maiden victory. The grade one he didn't go from maiden win the sandy derby that may have been too much for him. Maybe not as turns out, but but he got got to have that progression. And I think that is we look back on what's going on right now. We're seeing an blame anyone for doing. It certainly not something wrong move. It's just so difficult for horse to do to go from not having that development and stepping step by step of stepping stone. And then and then, you know, taking on the big stage. So so I think in Dubai while while I I think the card overall was not as. Well, say deep with talent as a seen it in the past. Why that's the case. I don't know. It's just one of those years. Maybe the European president will presence wasn't a strong. There was a I don't know the stat. But I would say the this handicapping raises more of a Japanese presence that share more of a kind of an Australian Japanese presence, which is which is great for Dubai. The Breeders Cup of love to see that Kentucky Derby would love to see more of more that influence so so why it's kind of been able to do that. And as I said the top performer. My is Allen died is from Japan. So that was. That's that's kind of a changing of the guard. But I didn't see the European influence. They won races, of course. But it wasn't as the in in the lineup. If I thought it it usually is anyway, that's just a it's one horse players observation was enjoyable day. X y jet certainly in your comments earlier about his training and coming back from surgeries and having him at the top of his game. All you know, all right on target of these accomplishments. Of trainers getting top efforts out of horses. Whether especially when there are years separating them for when they have to hit certain dates on the calendar. Like with the leading up the Kentucky Derby was the triple crown and hitting all those dates and having your horse peak. Correct pine it's an art. I mean, yes, if you have a horse that can run you you have to start there to start with incredible talent. You know, you have to you have to have a really fine piece of quail when you begin to sculpt, but you know, in the hands of of a massacre that wonderful piece of quake in can become a, you know, a work of art. And and I think as racing fans part of the fun is to appreciate what some of these trainers are able to accomplish. And how they bring horses long how they train them. You know, it's not just. Following a textbook workout schedule, and you know, throwing us out alone. And now exercise it's not that there's more than that. And when someone does it. Well, I enjoy seeing that. But again, if you don't have history to compare things to. It makes it very difficult to appreciate when something amazing happened. And. That turn our attention to. We'll talk to Nick lock at the top of our three day. And Nick course, hosting the, you know, the international feed and see what what Nick's wanna get Nick steak certainly Godolphin with between what four wins, Charlie Appleby. And and so you've been sorority and thunder snow. Who seems no matter what understood does Johnny. You Americans are going to have the continuing impression of him dancing around the slop in the derby that that that that image is not going to be. Exercise so easily turned to turn to the Gulfstream. Yes. Specially if exactly. Johnny. Let's talk about what transpired I suppose we should start with the finish. Let let's work our way back a little bit from from the Florida derby because obviously you listened at the beginning. I we're gonna talk to Ben glass next after after you, and and Bendel talk about you know, why they they did what they did. They let them the dam of maximum security sell for eleven thousand dollars in November. And they obviously, you know, didn't have an early feel for what this horse might have been. But a lot of this turned into tactics and decision making and it starts with the one hole in hidden sprawl. Yeah. Yeah. And so. I mean, you know, once I get started. I might not stop talking about Florida derby, we we might not get any other issues. But yes, it starts within the school at and I I said last week that or not last week but a couple of weeks ago, you know, the blame on Rosario I thought what happened in the in the south of us was you know, he he kinda got got hit. Yes. Didn't scroll the run of the gate, and then he'd never you wouldn't come back to it. He wouldn't relax and he didn't fight them. He said, okay. Look you wanna run. Okay. Let's run I'm going to fast. But maybe you're a great horse running easy. Let's go. And then all the blame that he got for that. I look it wasn't as best frie-. There's no question about that. But I didn't think he should have gotten you know, as much blame come back. I'm gonna tell you the same thing about how a Castellano in this race look. He he broke very, well, obviously looks across the see what's happening outside of him. He sees two or three other guys. All long shot. Well, mo- most of them won't shot. One of them. One of them like like shorts third or fourth twenty Goto the lead. There's company it's not just one horse. It it several horses that want the lead. Let them go. I'm gonna sit right behind the pace on paper going into the race. Did you think there would be paced? Just I get too. So you know, you can only go off of what you see when the gates opened yet. She have to make decisions. But look the raise is developing exactly the way I saw it on paper. Here goes, you know, the speed horses that fought would go now what happens Castellano sits right behind a horse. Come. Not only going to turns from the first time but going mile eight for the first time. Okay. You know, he won by eight in his in his starter allowance race, but I'm sitting right behind him. Now, that's a great spot. If you ask me, he's got pressure on them from the outside by a an and have got a mate next to me. You gotta love where you are. Now. The problem was. Didn't school was having. None of it was not relaxing. He didn't wanna sit there. Now, you're gonna say, well, they're going twenty four and that's why. Yes, that's part of it. However. The going twenty four the fact that they're going to twenty four you couldn't have dreamed when they broke from the gate. So I can't blame hobby or cats from getting caught in that position. Okay. So what does he do from there? He fights within school little bit a lot to get to to try and get him to relax. He's trapped. Hell then as you mentioned earlier Macquarie's writing boaty express. Wouldn't let them out that was great. They weren't going fast enough. So that they didn't it instructs out. Everybody was born stop. And you know, we never got a chance to really get out and run. And when he finally did what's most is the point about hitting scroll is when he finally got a chance to run. He had no answer. And that that really bring up the question of how good is this worse. The fact that he was blocked United twenty four pace, you know. Good horses. They'll shut down and they'll sit there, and they'll they'll wait on their whole, and they'll kick term for home. They'll they'll veer out and they'll kick, and they'll you know, they'll finish with gusto. Okay. No, one was go catch maximum security way. You finish you're going to catch him anyway, but hidden school had nothing, you know, through the lane. He's doing nothing. So you know, is it a case of bent sloppy track. Release was so fast and such a tour to force. It was almost like always got another justify. We've got another American Farrell. You watching him you wanted to say, the then you have to stop every time you see something like that. And look in stop and yourself down and say, wait a minute. It's a. Sloppy track. What are the chances? We're going to see another justify another American pharaoh. Whether the champ is sea horses move like that again and continue and do this. It was a Maidment. So we have to just kind of pull back our expectations then in the fountain of youth. You had to you know, he started to. You know, we wanted to give him a him a mulligan. But you know, what maybe the Morgan was the first race. Maybe maybe that was the you know, the race. That was the the weird race. I don't know. We'll see the winner. I. There's a reason Jason service granted source for bathing sixteen the first time. The the guy is not. Not an idiot. I mean, if you had a horse she talked to win the Florida derby, you would not run them for sixteen. I I have to tell you that just doesn't happen the stump. There's something about this horse. And I don't know what it is. I read it anywhere. I haven't heard it anywhere. But I'm sure insiders. No. You know, what it is about the source? Whether it's the tendon, a knee and ankle, whatever it is something kept taking certain. Taking something major Asian service believe he could run this horse for a very cheap price yet and thought he'd get away with one chur thought he'd get away with it. And he was surprised probably when he won by nine, but he probably thought he'd get run a little bit. But he's got problems. Nobody's going to take. And then getting back to point I made earlier. Gets to run in those two condition rates where no one can claim him. And yet he gets to. Learn the game. And that experience is just so, you know, important to a horse moving along making compressions learning, you know, when you brought your your your pet home. Whether it was a dog, a cat, whatever they didn't know everything in the first day in your house. Remember, those first the first night or two nights or three nights? When when they, you know, couldn't sleep were they they cried all night, or whatever it takes time to learn, you know, what life is all about, and and these resources have to learn it in incredibly short time and only visiting that health every once in a while every couple of months every month or two months, six weeks, whatever. So I think maximum security development got to take this slower pace, and he really dominated his foes, then got the. You know, make steps forward. And so he was ready for this challenge. Now going forward. I mean, he was scary. Good saturday. I mean that is that like, you know, you mentioned the factions of the race. That's a little frightening. So handy duplicate this effort again in the Kentucky Derby. Lee, y I don't know man that let's see the really really special horse. That that might that might be as good as never gonna run, especially if you've got some issues, it's kind of like, you know, if somebody said to me while let's go play some tennis. And I went out and was outstanding. That might be the best tennis of play the rest of my wife. Maybe you know, the effort will finish me be done forever. So maybe if he got if he had issues. It might be you have to running that hard. You know, they might crop up the might be tough to get in the run like that again on the other hand, maybe special. That's why we don't know when our game, but it would be very rare. If he were able to. Come back and win the Kentucky Derby on the other hand. What is it? Our last six this last six thirty winters have been undefeated, go into the derby. I think that's the right number L out of out of thin air, or it's a big number whatever it is. He he he's at right now. I think. And then we'll have the the last time. A maiden won the Kentucky Derby was that brokers. Tip nineteen thirty three. Yeah. So so we're going to have a voting expressing their trying to trying to make his statement. I think he I think he was flattered by the slow pace. And he talked about anyone who. Benefited the most with put it that way by for five a slow pace because he got the sit in a perfect spot. And then he he didn't kick he wasn't closing ground. He was losing out. The maximum security, but he ran the way or in similar fashion. What I would have specked in school. In school. Didn't get no answer when you know when when the real running started get nothing now with Koby thought too much early 'cause he's not really that. Good. I don't I don't know what he needs which which Bill Maher. We'll do the back off restart. You know, hit the reset one and we'll see him later code of honor. And you know, I read with show you know, to pace was not his game. It didn't favor him. He closed. Reasonably well. I think you have to be happy with where he is. He still hasn't run a really fast race on on time. Like, he like, you know, though, figures get really run that sparkling Jen yet, maybe saving that for the first Saturday may that would be nice for should, you know, just a solid Trier and exposed to and. You know, bourbon war again. Change his way late late in the stretch. And. It's just like he doesn't really have it figured out yet. He does have wait running them the is finishing. But it's like TV, you know, he's not really haven't really gotten putting it all together yet. I thought maybe he had in the stretch of the fountain of youth because when he kind of he changed lead. It was almost like a light went on. He dropped to see him actually dropping finish finish world. But then seem the same explosion. Now. Again, he's the victim of the pace. So. I, you know, coming out of this race, we had another what is this? Now, I think seventeen consecutive races without a repeat winners on the on the two year old wrote for the Kentucky Derby what a crazy wacky year. This is right now we've got. He's got a. You know? Maximum security maiden sixteen winner. Now heading to the Kentucky Derby, he's going to be. I don't know what the. In the. Going to be less than ten to one. I think regardless of what happened in California. And if something weird happens he could be less than that. I mean, I think what do you think what what's his price into talk at this point? I think there's going to be a lot of downplaying of the race overall by you know, by punditry in general, which. Which may be. Which may be a mistake. We'll look let's let's let the dust settle for a day or two coming out of it. But the there that's a good question. I think it all depends on what you see from from game winner, and and improbable in Omaha beach, long range toddy at cetera and. You know that that set of results? I mean, we've got you know, you've also got a couple of words that have been outta sight outta mind like tax and in the wood and Heikal and all that. So I mean, there's there's plenty of provinces yet to be heard from. And I I think he could shuffled down a little bit, particularly when he's got a stablemate that does is the two year old champion game winner. And so that that part is of a unique aspect, so we'll go from you know, we'll go from here to to the three perhaps on on Saturday a Johnny couple of things quickly to the the rainbow sequence. How did you make out? I did not have one. I miss max. I I miss maximum security, and I miss one earlier in the afternoon that I that I really probably shouldn't have missed, but I can't I can't take that. I was valedictorian. And yeah, I think it was in the sense today. So did I the Santa Bella sprayed? She she was a a see for me. And I I was live to hidden scroll on a backup ticket. And you know, there were a couple of things that could have gone, you know, slightly different. And you know, obviously, if if if Brendon Walsh proctors ledge gets by valedictorian in the sand about and then you also, of course, had Melnik lose that photo to focus group. And I only used focus group in Melnik. I Mike Welsh, Mike. Well, Chad a terrific notes on Malik. And that's why I I very late on Saturday. When I was writing the selections up, I elevated, you know, past, you know, pass the other Cana Sar and bigger picture. And I. I own I realized Melnik was going to run a race. So that was okay and day. The there were there were plenty of places. And and I want to also have you give the results of of showdown. There was the race the allowance race the one is the twelfth which was really challenging. And for whatever reason, Tom Blaine. Went from nine to two morning line, which I thought was an appropriate morning line. Drifted up to to basically, double that price nine to one and Paul Jacci took crazy money when went from five to one two three two two, and I didn't understand why they were piling on pollyanna Chee. Tom lane was that was my actually that at proved to be a bit of a get outrace because at nine to one. I thought he was a great win bet. He was in. And I think if you're looking at the race from particularly from a pace standpoint, you could have really like calm lane the the negative. I think in the in the minds of some people a couple of things seven years old, which would for some people would be negative. He's oh for five when the Gulfstream turf. And that's something that could slow you down a little bit. I agree with you. I did not see pal yahtzee. I did not see the the reason. I mean, the Motte money, I guess people like the play no Mahdi he takes money, especially when he's winning. But, but you know, this is the horse who you know, to fourteen now in his case she loved to go St. surf and he loved the distance. But yet tumbling here. Also, you've got a a trainer who, you know. We had two runners in the race the laurel. You know, it's hard to. It's hard to construct any ticket at gold seem far without using George Varo Jason service, Chad Browner, the turf Ray, how what you're. Louis size or Radyr teams that don't those are off the top of my head. But if you're if you're constructing any kind of a multiple wager ticket, you can do worse than just make sure all those guys you'll take it. If you have if you has the backbone in the race sets up to that that way, but I thought Tom Lee. Thought of a one for last eleven to that could that you didn't you didn't like nuts fair. But if you if kind of analyzed it from a pace perspective, I really think that's where they shine. That's what that's what caused me to really, you know, get on his team because I thought he's gonna he's going to be on the lead. He's faster than pie. Yahtzee? I did not see out you don't wire-to-wire again. He's faster than him. He's going to get to the rail. He's gonna save ground a whole way around. And he's running for a trainer who. Hardly ever who's. So you know, he keeps going forget about it. That that was that was a nice boost. Although I doubt he was nine to one in in the rainbow. And I again, if if Mel mic wins that photograph instead of the thing pay in two thousand it it probably pays twelve thirteen fourteen thousand. That's true. That's true. And I know what felt bad because nineteen hundred I didn't feel you know, you can live with that. How about how about how about the twenty thousand Kevin cries her head for in showdown and the other the other four check cashiers? About Kevin or he won't showdown. Six hundred ninety four dollars was his winning Kotal after making twenty dollar live twenty dollar win wagers on one horse in each and races. We had four races from Santa needed six weeks from gold stream John rats was second six hundred and six dollars of both of those two guys went into the final race. And and they and they they were in their respective position. Held a position Robert Rosen's was third ending into the final race held his position and David Snyder moved up to fourth from ten in the final rates with a total five thirty six Michael areso fourth to fifth in the final race winning the win the payouts on the day. There were some, you know, there was some. Decent pale throughout the day for twenty dollar wager. We had minus rose in the fourth and Santa Anita four twenty yet four hundred twenty dollars for twenty dollars wager. Tomboy the one we just talked about two hundred ten dollars pay all based on the twenty dollar wager so showdown again, we close the book on a magnificent local express bed tournament cheese. And of course, expressman is involved. Then in need has tournament Gulfstream has torn amend their tournaments throughout the year. But are springing winner pulling schedule it concluded. We had beat the hosts we had live and now we've finished with showdown. Congratulations to everyone who played for the winners. Yeah. Congratulations. Everyone played. And also thank you for playing the great barn. The the value is. Unbeatable. There's no takeout. There's no skin only showdown. Do we have an entry fee? If you don't qualify through beat the host or or to live there. The value is incredible. So, you know, there live wagers. So if you pick, you know, pick some winters, I think I took a quick look at it. And I think there were. Thirty. Thirty eight thirty seven thirty eight players who. They got the somewhere in that area who got their money back just just by making live league. So anyway, thanks for everyone who played and we'll see next tournament funding. The sun not far off at. Of course, there is also the Preakness contests do that that people. No previous big bet conquer all you have to do is registered express back cost you anything and then and then played a racist. And then one just for the for the competition play the races, and you could win twenty five thousand dollars win wages on the previous steaks and of the IP trip to Pimlico is my favorite race the triple crown. Well, of course, the laurel winter the finished up. I gotta go through all the all the. Race all the trainer in jock. Jampy? It's there there. I think what six maybe Sam Houston and Golden Gate and that Golden Gate Sam Houston Gulfstream Jeff way Ecuador winter. Yeah, they all they all wrapped up. It's strange because they meet, but they're still right? Exactly. They're going to start to start back on Friday. And and there's another care another two day carryover at act went on Friday. It's the third week in a row. There's a mandatory pay off the rainbow six insana Santa Nita Mexican man is there. It is. The hits just keep mom. Well. So many ways Johnny I appreciate it. And we will maybe touch base actually while him out in California. Maybe get some maybe get some place going into the weekend. I'm sure you'll you'll write something up to for for the express by column. Johnny dean, everybody XP, Johnny de will stay here. And Joe line is with us KC having to unfortunately, spend the weekend in the hospital and hope hoping that he gets out today. And this was sort of a monitoring thing. Unfortunately, Ben glass is going to join us and ban. Was the last time probably had been on. I don't know. Maybe during maybe when west coast was was running wild. Been a couple of years and what a tremendous spring, obviously that Gary and Mary west or enjoying and game winner, of course, with the championship last year, the have this horse that, you know, at first glance, it didn't seem like the team had, you know, high expectations for and we're going to have banned explain everything because they they maybe like to have a couple of decisions back including including the the day of maximum security who sold with a sibling in the belly band. Congratulations to to you, Mr. MRs west, thank you. It was it was a big day because even before even before the feature. Here was restoring hope coming back, and he he got it out of a win. That was a good way to start his four year old season. That was good. I was hoping it wasn't only win that day. I joke about that. Actually that anybody that that gets involved in the game on the ownership side. Whether you're you got one of your own or or whether you're in a partnership group when you've got multiple horses on a card. You win the first one of its early the day, you're like shit if we're gonna only win one race today. I I wish it was the steak, right? If you'd have the same right here thinking how many ways can win one day. Well, you when it came to Louis. The the answer was it was a bunch. That's right. That's right. We'll come back to restoring hope you you. I reached for you Ben in this circumstance because it's I think it's going to be very interesting. We have a lot of stakeholder listeners, and we've got some backyard breeders, and and small commercial breeders. And there's there's a fascinating story in here to be told about first of all New Year's day, the two year old champion that didn't get to compete at three and started his stud career Ellendale and in January, he moved to Brazil, but talk about maximum security, and then the dam to well, you know, if we had a crystal ball, we would've kept everybody. But obviously, we don't have a crystal ball. And the day was looking up slow doing that good, Mr. west. And I made the decision we tried to get a partner to partner up with us. And I couldn't do that. That. So I tried to sell divorce in the states, and nobody was really coming with much money. And then the gentlemen from Brazil came would with the most money. So obviously we've made the decision to sell him. And you know, Jack work all your told me one word does not make us ir. So I don't know if we've made a big mistake yet or not because we do have the grade one by New Year's day. But on the other hand, the damn she had, you know, three other falls, one of them was a full brother to maximum security. And I think he was running for seventy five hundred or ten thousand claim and the whole world was that came into buyer and only price was eleven thousand. So I don't think a lot of people were lot more smarter than we were at the time. You only brought eleven thousand he had a half sister at the November sale in Seoul. And she brought five thousand so. So it wasn't like the family was on fire. So we made the decision to, you know, sell the down you can't keep them forever. And we made the decision to sell the sire. Obviously we wish we would have made a different decision. But maybe we'll end up being smarter when it's all done with. But there wasn't much showing up in the family, and then we had maximum security training up north, and he wasn't showing much. He had he had a little sore shins and and trying to get over the source. You know, he was late foal may fifteenth his knees didn't close till late. And I think sometimes the end of July or something Mr. west he doesn't he wants to make sure the news are all closed in the forces are fully mature as a two year old before they leave the training center. He's very adamant about you know, about that. So we couldn't leave the train in early with this horse. And then when we did he got a little sore up north and the show that much and so. Jason we discussed it and. And you know, we we would the family be was and and the horse not showing much up north. I told Jason put him in for made in sixteen. And and Jason I agreed. That was probably right thing to do. He thought his worth more than that. But when he got Depaw meadows, this shins, you got over his shin book completely, and you got the train and really good and really sound. But we'd made the decision to put him in for made in sixteen based on all the family and the pounds New Year's day we had and so forth. And you know, obviously, he's not the first horse than ever run in a claim or claims that want to grade one I think, I'm not sure I think wither for some I think that horse was claimed but. No, it isn't like everybody is rushing out to buy New Year's day. And I think that was in our mindset, so it just I I'm trying to get them is kind of funny because I'm thinking if everybody else, you know, new lot more than we did. Nobody stepped up to the plate by any of the family. So that's sort of the way that it that it came down. And I guess maybe the little bit source up north was keeping him from you know, maybe looking like a good horse. And and, you know, Jason usually doesn't miss and and you know, it just doesn't like the family was going anywhere. So made sixteen was the logical choice. And you know, what's interesting at number one Jason doesn't work horses fast. Anyway. He does a lot of two minute lacking. And and he pretty much was doing that coming out of the allowance. But even if you go back to last summer Monness. Fifty two flat one zero three and one one of three flat. Fifty one two. I mean, he just forty nine flat. Fifty pound meadows. Fifty one fifty fifty forty nine and four, you know, you just the nobody nobody was seeing anything. I mean, don't let's not pretend that there aren't people at pow meadows that are watching every horse that goes by and and no and the word spreads and a horse shows up in, you know, for sixteen and you know, the the breeding the sire and the the the dam is gone. So you're thinking yourself this. If if they're running him for sixteen. They're giving them away. Nobody bet. Well, it worth thinking we'd get away with it. Because he's a home. Brad. A lot of people. You know, you get what you get when you breathe a home bread. And we're thinking a lot of people are gonna think that and we can probably get away with sixteen. And and if he, you know, there's a little more in the tank, we didn't think we lose him, then we didn't obviously. But like I say if we'd had a crystal ball if he'd have been two hundred. Thousand plus or or something around their urine that we bought we would've, you know, stuck him in a maiden specially but cost dream park. You know, it's one of the toughest places in the world win a maiden special. So it just made sense what we did at the time. And I I'm just chuckling because I I know everybody thinks that we're stupid, but. They look at all the surrounding circumstances. They see why we did what we did. And like I say if he'd been expensive came in the early purchase we would have put him in a maiden special to see what he was, you know, built his first start. But this is absolutely the way it came down to pike. And and it's funny to me because you know, nobody claiming we still have him. And boy, did we get lucky. Well, and that's what it takes. You know, when he ran ran that eighty plus buyer, you know, at the low level, and then he came back he paired up, then he took the step forward in that second allowance and now he be paired that up and that is a healthy pattern it in three year olds. Now, you know, you got five weeks to to the derby. And of course, she got game winner that we're going to see back here in a couple of weeks. Yes. Correct. It's a it's a it's a fascinating circumstance. I the we folded. Yeah. It really is. Because I got everybody really step back and look at what happened. They don't understand. And and if if if what you're say all are better urine. We'll start making specially suit up and see what they do the first start. But this looks like the obvious choice to not looks like, you know, like we didn't know what we were doing. Maybe we didn't. But I'd rather be lucky than good any day. And I I wanted people to hear from you because the the dam the dam part sort of backs up the whole the whole explanation. I mean, the damn absolutely eleven thousand dollars. I mean, if you if you thought that this horse was anything special for starters with full sibling, you never would've put her in the sale correct in that he had a full sister by pioneer the Nile about five thousand at that same sale. And the funny thing is now the dam and the dam is is a sibling to flat out, and you know, it it. It's just one of those things. That you just don't know. And I she's my Anna she'd and. You you know, you look at that page gear. Ben who's gonna look at that page and go this is an exciting horse. I wanna. And I looked at that part of it too. And I thought well stuck my neck out. But she was a photo pioneer of the Nile. And I only give eighty four. But then I got, you know, thinking, well, and is he hasn't had a great one has been the sire dam. A grade one winner great divorce yet. So maybe I made a mistake. So, you know, obviously, we put her in the sale and. Wish we wouldn't have at this point. But who knows you know, the other the next three might be like the first three. That's right. It's it's it's one of those guessing games. The other thing that that if people were if people were to line up all of the purchases that you make and of course, the Wests are buying colts. They're looking for, you know, a derby horse. They're looking for classic horses. And you know, what's your average purchases? Typically, what about two fifty to six hundred thousand in that rage. That'd be correct. So I mean, a home bred like this. This is an afterthought. It is. It's this is our third grade. One winner a home-bred that we've raised and that's great. It's a lot. It'd be a lot more to me than ones you buy because Mr. west me on a long time ago. We we walked out of there. And and Jeff Kirk made the remark he said, I think we have some really nice sources we bought I think twenty one or something and Mr. west, look, he said, listen, if we bought one horse, that's graded stakes for this. Or we'd beat the odds, and I thought to myself boy, that's that is that is strange, but in that crap without ties in dollar Bill. So it wasn't a complete bus. But you, you know, I it was really hard for me going in starting to buy all these more expensive courses knowing that most of them aren't going to be any good it. It's a scary game. Well, and and let's let's give them a comparison to because you've also got the three year old by Bernardini. What a FOX and. And there's the jumps the position. I mean, he ranted maiden special weights. Yeah. It took him a couple of starts to break is made. And actually you he dipped into maiden claiming company. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you. Like, I say most of them aren't going to be any good. I hate to say that it still hurts. But Mr. west and made me a firm believer in that they are with the are in the afternoon after you buy them and and sued him up in the gate, but knowing that if if you try to make a good horse that isn't a good horse. You're gonna go bust. Good. So we have a lot of orces, and we can't obviously keep them all and this was maximum security. You know, one of the lot of orces and the family just wasn't there. So that's what I was thinking in my mindset. Unbelievable. We'll talk about this weekend in a minute and the next couple of weekends because of game winner. And and also. Final jeopardy two. We gotta discuss who's running in the those running in the wood. But Ben, let's let's dive into this spot for a minute. I mean, what were your what did you think the was going to happen in this race and with hidden scroll drawing the rail, and you kind of figured you were going to you're going to go, no matter what I imagine. Well, you know, we never we never tried to get into trainers heads because they're trying to in the horse there where the seven days a week. So we don't try to do too much of the race strategy. And I try and voices about twenty five years. And I remember a lot of times I tell the writer, but I thought and I knew they weren't listening. And then they do what they most time. They were more right than I was. So with that said, I know Jason wasn't going to fix. We've talked about it. He wasn't going to try to kill us for going to the front. Just we didn't. No exactly that he needed to be in front. So we were going to see what the race strategy played out. And then he just turned it over doing just that you're writing do what's right? And boy he wrote a great race out. My hat's off drawn things that best race. Right. I've seen this year. And you know, so you really don't know until the race unfolds. They split segments and make the decision. So he kinda got to go with the rider more than what you think. It's sort of like, they'll boy that got off the horse in California and. The owner run out. And he said, man. Yeah. The whole I could've grown my Mercedes to there and the writer looked at me. So yeah. But that was moving fast. So you just kinda, you know, just gotta go with the phone hope the rider is smart enough to make the right decision at the right time. Well, getting away with the forty almost forty nine half and the way he came home. And that was that's what's scary about this. Because he got it them with with that third and fourth quarter. And you could see he was comfortable moving, you know, after a forty nine half. Then he was moving downhill from there. I'll be honest. I thought it was going to be like a one fifty or something when it was one forty eight and change. I said, you know, what he didn't slow down down the lane. Don't you cut motoring? So that was that was more exciting to me than actually stealing the the front end down the backside. You know, and I do want people to to pre she ate. Everybody's talking about the the speed. And of course, it's not easy to compare. You know, the the the way of the racetrack was on Saturday with previous years. But to be honest, you look at orbs when you look at materiality, and you look at constitution in recent in the last five six years, and they were they were not dissimilar from you know, from the pace in this race, you know, moderate I have an, and I I said earlier bed that we've gotten so used to these route races being faster early slow late that when you see a slow early fast late, it it kind of people people have to rub. Their is a little. You're right. Thirty forty. Well. I I I would when he turned for home out, those fractions. I started hitting hitting them think this team's going home that was. That was that was awful exciting and looks for true. Well, and and let's talk about we basically right now. Because game winners in good shape has got the final prep got beat of course in the rebel. But you shrug it off and look toward Saturday, assuming assuming everything goes forward. Alright and Santa Anita. You know, you love it's funny. If if somebody had asked you and and Gary. You're going to go to the derby with an undefeated horse. You wouldn't have thought. It was this. What you're right. You're right. We you know, we knew that game winner. He's not a good work in the morning, Bob while he's told us that Bob told her said, he's probably gonna need for prep. But he said that isn't the race counts. Anyway. So when we were watching that race and a mile is such it it was we didn't think that was going to be his best distance. And so we were you know, everybody in the second third fourth. We were looking at getting a little tired and having to ship from California and all of our plans and do the plane ride and whole nine yards. And so we you know, we were thinking we just want to get this good race in gets the next step down. And then the third base is the big dance. And then when he got in the end, then I was mad. I know man. Not not not not to be upset. And then when he just got beat that into. I said man, then I wish did the one. But it's crazy. But that's all it goes. Well, and I. Looks like a field of six right now. And I guess I guess that. There's a possible from Jeff Bondi. I I guess Bondi is what he wanted to go to New York. But it looks like he's going to not be able to make the trip for the the Bayshore. So he's talking about maybe running in the Santa needed derby with sparky Ville, but right now game winner and roadster Dolo contest. Oh, extra hope, synthesis. Do ownership with George Papa patrol mo- sending him in and then Instagram. So it's a it's a nice six pack for the Santa Anita derby, headlined by the two year old champion. I hope everything plays. Well with the track out there. I know about that breakdown and and. I know that was coming off the downhill tariff, but I'm just hope I'm praying. We don't have to ship out. Again. I'm praying that the track plays good and that we can start there. And then talk about the New York New because final jeopardy is also coming in under the radar. This was one hundred and ten thousand dollar. Wean linked purchase. Well, like, I said I'd rather be lucky than good. Take us back to key November and in in sixteen. What did you like about him? He's a street sense. He's out of the unbridled song mayor Addison run. Well, you know, you just said to I love streets in and I love unbridled song mares. So he had everything going for him there. And it was a big good looking street since we had planned giving a lot more for him. I was surprised because he didn't have no no issues with xrays or go ping. Everything was good. And and I mean, we really liked him. And does Ryan the farm manager and Kentucky, and Dr Brown can and myself and Dr van Damme, we all really liked him. And I I don't know how you just slipped through the cracks. I guess maybe that hundred and ten thousands of good figure for me. If you think about it. But anyway, you know, and then he had a seven on the seat. So we're kind of hoping you know, the same thing we were hoping on maximum security that he doesn't bounce. But we're we're we're taking a shot. You know, he he hasn't run against quality. Where was like that neither? So we're taking the shot, but but we like him. And and I can't explain the the sale price. I could never explain on game winner. I guess I was the only one that's coped him and I loved him. So once in a while if you buy enough, and and get lucky, you know, it can even happen that came into even though most of the time on the better ones, you know, you'll have to step up to the plate, and then, of course, sigma home. But if somebody outbid you stamp your foot down, but that's it. So well, there's a couple of things that are notable about final jeopardy including including having a terrific name. You know, he he tried the lime house at the beginning of the year. He'd broken his. Maiden in December. And then was third, you know, get steaks company right away. I mean, so he he showed he showed some quality. And you know, you go back to the field that he faced it included trying to think if there was somebody I guess that wasn't the I was thinking of a different maiden race. I don't think there was anybody. That's come out of that that same maiden race. But. You know, he he clearly clearly he's got he's clearly got some quality about him that female family, Addison run the damn fleet and fancy who's a sister of fast, cookie. The wonderful, the wonderful the Bill Maher treaty, and of course, the the Dama frosted. Right. So there's a lot in this family. That's what I I don't. I don't know how how we got him for that price. But people are there's a lot of lot of yearlings that I mean, a lot of weenies that don't bring all them prices. Then they come back as a yearling bring tons of money or go back to to train themselves. So, you know, I it's not like I did something that hasn't been done many times over and over. Well. I can't imagine the embarrassment of riches if if he if he runs first or second in the would who's writing him by the do, we know who I don't we don't know for. Sure. Okay. 'cause I because rod I think a rat is going to be at Keeneland on Saturday. I'm almost positive. I'm I'm not sure who Jason's going to ride. We talked about it. He said the horse Finley Wednesday morning. On the plane and and rider was still up in the air. But you know, with with with Jason you'll get the best available. Well, and we we're looking forward. I mean the weekend the weekend. No, no. We get that lucky. But it would be that that would really be lucky to get that one home. Well. I do have to I want to ask one question before we go to. I mean, you know after the win on Saturday. Ben, you know, a lot of a lot of the reaction. I mean, the some some reaction completely. Cognizant of of the house and wise of the mechanics of this source winning then others that are that are just attacking Jason service. And and you know, the outlandish record e rung up at at particularly at Gulfstream this winter, how do you how do you respond to that? Because he's gonna come under. You know, a lot of scrutiny and pressure here as we get to Louisville. You know days is he's he's one of the best forefront around mean, that's no secret. He does everything sort of the old fashioned way the way they, you know, at Charlestown when they had all the old class horses, but they did all the help they could do ice subs and so forth to bring him back to where they were. And and you know, if you if you give a lot of these trainers today if you put them in in that situation when I was a kid I used to buy horses at the end of Arlington. Take him home, turn them out and South Dakota, bringing back the carbon, and that's how I got a lot of my colleagues money by doing that. But buying them old cripples, you're trying to bunch of MO cripples, you you pretty much know how to train forces and keep them sound and so forth. And and and that's Jason's good prerequisite that he he can train, you know, horses and keeping sound by doing it the old fashioned way so forth. And I just think he's good. In the entry box myself. I mean, he every stars all aligned he's getting some better voices. And he he knows how to inner horses. He waits. He's patient with maximum security. You know, he he he get a great game waiting for that starter. And I I mean, he he knows what he's doing the entry box. And I think that's you know, if you got the best doors from the race, you're gonna have a pretty good high percentage. And I think that's what Jason is good at. Well, of course that includes the time as a as a jock agent to and and that's their job that -solutely. Yup. Yup. So he's just he's just sorta knows learning the game pretty good. And and I think when it's all done with I, you know, Jason it's going to be right up there with a lot of the top trainers in history. Well, right now, the fact he and his brother the kind of tracking. And in fact, Joe Johns got John's. On a chance. The they hit a walk off home run for a derby starter, but jaywalk is going to go in the Ashland. So the brothers. The brothers will be on display. A no doubt and. I think they're both good horsemen and the other funny thing, I might add we we we started giving horse the Joe sharp, and who I'm really happy with also. And and it's kinda funny because he told me he said, you know, I graduated from the same high school that John and Jason graduating from I said, I didn't know. Another boy I saw I saw that or somebody that came up that came up somewhere. There was they were talking about all the, you know between the the wives and the all the the interconnectedness that you get at the racetrack. And and somebody mentioned that somewhere. I don't remember what maybe last summer at Saratoga came up. But I had heard that I forgot about it. Funny. But I didn't know that till Joe told me that well a big big weekend ahead and for restoring hope. I mean, seven eighths, but is he going to stretch back out or you're gonna you're gonna you got a ninety five buyer? You know, which is a solid solid figure for the the four year old debut. Oh, great comeback race. I. We thought he'd have more opportunities on the east coast, and Bob and always told us that that early on. We thought he was going to be a true, you know, like Belmont type course, and then later on Bob changed in in sort of telling us that he thought he's going to be a really good one turn horse. And then when Beijing got him he thought the same thing. So we're probably going to keep him around one turn interesting and plenty of time to maybe get another another start in and try something like the met mile. That'd be that'd be an ambitious step right now. But but yeah, something like that. If he turns out to be that type. Of course, there you go. All right. Yeah. We actually we actually had a half brother to him. A two year old and training that he's he's big like restoring hope we actually really like him too. So he'll be two year old this year. That'll be interesting. But we're thinking one turn more than two terms right now. There you go. There's the answer. And and people were were speculating on on what would be next. So there after a slow start for some of last year's three year olds were we're getting some four year olds coming back and running running better restoring hope with comes back with a win. There was also we had last week. We had Peter with with core beliefs come back and run a good race. So I know some people were quick to dismiss last us three year olds. Well this game. Boy, I mean one one one or two bad races. They're they're done, right. Exactly. Well, Ben, I delighted for the west I guess the last question about how good the weekend was how did Gary do in the horse player World Series. Well, here's what he told me. He told me said, you know, I got the visit with a lot of old friends. So I just let it go. That tells you everything you need to know. Well. He'll everybody's headed to Santa Anita on on Saturday. Well, I'm down here in Florida right with the with the two year olds now brindled Ocala. So I back to traveling just got out of the airplane. And and I couldn't get flights to Miami. And it just didn't work out. And so we was in the car watching the racist. And so I I don't know I'll probably stay here with the two year olds in Ocala. And all that you're Mary they'll go up to Santa Anita. Very good. Well, best of luck. Both coasts this weekend. And we'll look forward to seeing you ban in in Kentucky. Well, thank you for the call much. Appreciate it. And always appreciate your. Visit Ben glass who has really helped Gary west and Mary west build a a an empire say the least and the empire building continues this week. I love it. Gary. Thanks so much. Thank you. You go. And now, you know, I wanted to make sure that's why I went to the to banned because when you fold in the mayor being sold for eleven thousand you you get a much clearer picture of where they were at the end of last year with maximum security and in a going into the start of the year, and when when you're buying horses, and you've got you know, they they literally by I think thirty year and all colts. And so we're Slyke horse like maximum security was. You know, a back bencher a back one of the ones in the backfield. When you when you go to when you go to check on your on your Europe or you're young two year olds. And they're they're out there. And you you take the golf cart around or you walk around and you find you find them take a look at how they're on how they're growing up. We're going to.

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Part2:NHC 2020 Day-3 Live from Las Vegas

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Part2:NHC 2020 Day-3 Live from Las Vegas

"Aftercare thoroughbred aftercare alliances standard of accreditation and GRANDPA's provides donors with confidence that their contributions are allocated in the most effective manner D. A.. Accreditation is only awarded after a complete review of an organization after care cannot be an afterthought for the industry to learn award or support the TA's mission visit Thurber aftercare dot Org Sirius. XM ports presents avaricious with Steve and becoming interviews. This sued who we are back after the semi finals here at the events center at bally's and doing some doing some house keeping upstairs as we listen. They're doing the. I think the console winners. Jonathan Thin Kinchen is joining us. J. k. what's going on. Well you know this this the cut yesterday so that means the I did Vegas a little bit last night so I was a little slow this morning but It's always fun to watch twenty your buddies in at the final table of feels like every year that I've been here. We've had a friend at the final table so it's always exciting to root for them and I'm excited for Eric. Biology is a What I consider myself self worth racing young? He's proper young horse racing young horse racing baby so exciting exciting opportunity for him. Am and then he was hitting. He was picking winners today out of six to one shot. I know he hit Played some short horses to kind of move up. You Know He. He's seen US and he's seen Paul and Duke and he's seen those dollars mattered. That final table. They could be worth twenty five thousand dollars at some point. So He's been picking up pieces you know. He's hyper crisis. He was playing today or was he all of them. I'm pretty sure to even money. Shot at one point. Six to one he had even money he ran second with a five to two to He's he's all over the place he's taken and he's taking what they're giving them. Well that's good like you say you pay table for the top ten and You can see that. What you're saying is true Jay Cape because I rise eight hundred second to fifty third buck? twenty-five four hundred five seventy five or six sixty five seventy eight five eight fifty five five nine fifty two and ten fifty. Where else can you know if you censor even money money gets you at least a few thousand and potentially as much a several hundred thousand you go ahead and no one Eric You oh you know? He's I would say he's kind of a risk averse guy he he's not one guy that's going to be talking to blow ten for the small chance of winning six hundred so you know he'll try to take what he's going to take what they give him he's not gonNa just how it is so look man. It's it's it's an exciting time. It's always is when you get to the final table to a life changing score for somebody. You sat at the final table in it was it was at the first year of the final table. No it was one of the early ones. Yeah but but when you would not drama you knew you were GonNa make it. This is sort of a weird period where people might or might not know what that cutoff number is. I don't think Eric Wing said since there. We're two or three racist left. I think last we heard it was something like two eighty five What what do you think's going through these players heads as they as they try to figure this out now as to whether or not they're going to get the chance to go and sit there and fight it out to potentially win eight hundred? I mean I think what's going on in people's heads around these tables of probably what happened at ninety percent of the restaurants in Las Las Vegas last night a lot of me if I would have done that if I would have done this and should have done that. I didn't do this. It's a lot of Reflection or at least a bad I beat story so You know there's a lot of guys that are probably wondering man. I should've took that money shot The other day that I didn't take it's amazing the three days and it can all come down onto a few cents. We saw player missed participating in the semifinals by twenty cents. Yesterday it gets proven year after year now. The first several years of the final table remarked by stasis there wasn't a lot of action that all changed last year when Scott Coils made his furious. Run from ninth place all the way up to eight see championship glory. That being said speak of the devil. We have eric pilot right here. I'll put a pin in question and we'll we'll talk to you a b you it feeling pretty good about the fact that you're gonna be at the table. I think I got it so I took. I took to even money horses today to figure pat my number a little event and then I ended up Hint Paco. Lopez in the Gulf stream fourth fifth. I don't know the best part of the Palko thing was his was his route. Did you hear it over here. Komo screamed pocket for president. Not cast call back you probably. Can you run for president. Oh My oh goodness gracious so Eric. What was your thought coming into today? What were your preparations like? I know you had spent super prepared. I two days and you today joined up doing it on the fly in the middle of the night vision standing on the screens rolling place out of the way look at second and third or separated by twenty cents Mason. Wow Bryant troop got up to thirteen John Nicholls eighteen chuck grubs to fifty two. John Falls short not bad up there in the pay table wise for those spots but obviously not what your dream of. Well here it is. Let me let me give you the CF popped up on the give. You the specifics. And this is your top ten. John Vail three forty eight seventy and Eric can absorb this going in. And he's got a significant nineteen dollars. Lead on Ray Arsenault. No second to be Ashley Taylor as well. Same three twenty nine. Three Twenty eight for Goldsmith. So three twenty nine night. Three Twenty Nine three twenty eight for Ray Arsenault Ashley Taylor and Thomas Goldsmith Then fourteen dollars down to tray styles and fifties final three fourteen gene Chris Potter. It's three twelve eric. Viollis sitting with us three eleven Mike Goodrich who ninety-six Ralph Magneti does make it nine to ninety four forty and the cutoff of the top ten Michael Odori. Co Two ninety one forty it. Just on the outside Kevin Conroy Smith Bryant Troop Jack Christian Leslie Janice and many more by by grab that about microphone. We got we got bikes. Eric question is what's your goal from ended for the rest of the day you take courses like if there's a if there's a number like I'm going to take it if I'm going to try to keep on moving forward. I got seven seven or eight races. I just play likely if there's a number I like that will come into play. I would think shouldn't be some people out there who say from an E. V. point of view. This should be a case of take. Your approach should be win or go bus. But for me as a horse player seeing the differences between fifth and fourth and fourth and third. I would be more inclined to play who I like regardless of that. Where do you fall on that On that continuum it'll be a mix definite mix of everything it's you you see something that can get you there. You might take more of a chance. Exactly you're not gonNA. I'm not saying I'M NOT GONNA stab the entire time here by stabbing how much preparation of you've done for these final table. Eight nine I gotta go where to go to it Guy Mush myself before you leave. Eric thank you for your great performance to keep keep the streak alive against Michael Bay. Chalk table we are still undefeated. Michael Batery joining us us. He told me he's GonNa do the Kevin Hayes and sit with US next year right. I said look. If you can't beat them I just want him to save me a seat. scurvy those guys my team my team this year put up big numbers and it still wasn't enough and so I got your money by the way so eric has not even looked you think is true. That's what he has that. Look I was the same way when I went to the final table. I didn't look you obviously have a final table right. God you don't feel like that would have added something experience or why did you say thank God. I had a pretty good experience. You know so no I love this suspend task. I think he's a great I think it's a great Add to the to the tournament. That really is sir. I love it. One of my favorite parts is when when you know. There's no contest play going on anymore. No Constellation and you still hear people rooting in this room happy. That's all well. I just heard that they're going to allow Betting they're gonNA make a line on the last on the final table your kid have you heard that. No I just heard amazing. You should be. I mean should right. I mean I wouldn't. That'd be a lot of fun. I think that's what I heard. I heard that get to get the regular alert one license. You have to submit things like months in advance and the sounds too good to be true. Maybe those unreliable source okay. I I think it's A. They should game elephone where it started out what they should do. They seriously that's why you don't have everybody in the bedding. They have to submit it in like November. I say the commission together crew Iraq Arabia. They already got Maybe already got permission. letters algorithms run the probabilities. And that's it and you make a lie so grab that the here. It is the first time on these airwaves. As on anything at the racist mislead big related the paycheck brothers together again for the first night as right scary very scary. Gary Are we want. We want to know your older right. Does I'll be leaving now. Thank plus pick. y'All I love the big. I'm older. How was he annoying annoying? Baby brother no we. We probably thought of launching till we were about fifteen when we both got our driver's licenses so we didn't have to be around each other anymore. We just go in separate directions and when he says fight he means like we're we're throwing down fighting with Mira Ali Frazier before Ali Asia. Are there others siblings just to to you you just to know sisters no sisters who who who did better at the Bar Mitzvah. Who was the better environmental boy might have been me? KAZAA Governor Edward. When governor got elected he made an appearance at my bar Mitzvah and that kind of put it on? The map is more mitzvahs. Go back at this table Jay. Who who's next Dave who who came in your obviously not any? They were in jail. Probably their their points. convey jocks and Europe in Russia. Where you lived Komo News? You are okay because I wasn't sure. Lean so you both have to make efforts go back down to the warlords curb for for racing because you came to see me during the week. I like to sit down there. Go get some lunch and hang out in the paddock. And just I just like I just love the smell a smell horses and close to them. And I'm by myself or with a buddy. I just like that so I try to do it once a week if I can't hand but it's gotten a little more busy recently yeah Yeah no doubt can't really do it and I don't know what you do Monday through Friday. I'm an attorney there. You go there you go under the radar so low firm Loved it you know we we have to work a lot harder than the other guys kind of an atticus finch thing absolutely. I wouldn't go quite that far. I just wanted to follow in my brother's footsteps. He's the king one. Winning the governor didn't come up. Yeah he'll come to it now. There you go actually clean. Who who funny contest? Wise some you you've played I mean you hear and they're qualified up until about two years ago when my kids started playing Travel Sports. My daughter plays travel volleyball. My son plays travel basketball asking ball and like Mike said literally in his acceptance speech Six seven years ago. You can't just do this once a week nick or if you catch a couple of spare hours it's it's something that you really have to put some effort into and if you've got children you almost have to ignore your family to to concentrate and the handicap has got so good now it's just to another level so if I get lucky which I have not been can maybe make a contest but I'm out here as the wing man extraordinary support the champ okay and the champ. The champ always a fabulous sport. Do we have some thoughts about how to approach this this table and the way things things are laid out at brow. Grab that stick swell finish. We're bad luck. I thought we're good luck. I Dunno remains could be Ralph Magneti sitting down and Ralph with your thoughts any final table. Yeah I gotTA WORK SINCE WE WON'T KEEP you won't you want but you fought back you were you were out and you search. What was the key in the semifinals? Today well I had the favorite fairgrounds. That was my only winner. Wow I had the six four. Your state various came in second and that was enough. I didn't think I was GONNA be there when I was at tastic. Let you get to work. We don't I want to interrupt a catch up with you later. Visit yesterday and Scott speed my view. These folks out to Ralph Magneti back so the boys have is the guy. How does a guy like Ralph and how how does he approach things? Other than Scott. Kohl's last year it's unusual for there hasn't been much movement. Yeah that'd be really. It's not like we had a whole bunch of prices today. I like we did yesterday. That created all the chaos. I mean I think what Eric said you know you kind of have to at least the first segment you you look. If you break it down into three segments you gotta pick some winners as long as you're not odds on favorites and then kind of go from there so you're going to play it in segments three three and four or four take the first four races. Play who you like. You can see where you're at. I don't think you can go in with a set strategy is going to see where where you land it is interesting and jk you said you were the same way as both Ralph Alphen Eric. I guess nobody wants to push themselves by prepping for these final table SIS. Also like you're you're no. I was mentally Salita done. You know what I mean. It's like to to be trying to figure out what you're going to do to get to the fighting. You know to advance yourself those raises then we start looking at the next one. You know you don't have a a little break so I just said like Oh look at him then you know I also think you know When you're prepping for Friday and Saturday you're trying to keep up with the crowd? I mean you don't you don't want somebody else doing more. Prep you kind of know that The ten guys at the final table really might not have done any prep so you kind of the same level I would think I would be shocked if a lot of them actually looked at all but I do think right now. They're diving and pretty deep in the the thing about it is is like you know you're playing ten races. You don't have to make that decision and you you and some of the things. Sometimes you just doing math anyways at that point. You're you know you're blocking walk in. Who's blocking there blocking me? I can't take this horse because he can't get to whatever. Your goal is salon just doing math at the final table anyways. Completely the game changes significantly so interesting. I mean you know what kind of advantage. Jk Do you think that ray has. Because he's been there. I mean he you know this is this is for you. This is second go round so I mean he knows I can just check. It looks so skeptical. Most pressure anyone up there. He's got a chance to do something. No one's done before and something that I'm going to be very hard to duplicate to be a dual winner. Obviously you know being you know having one on the wall and you know how hard it is to get a second one so I think that's kind of tricky rickie with him. The other thing is raised like raising take bombs the entire time. He's GonNa win. He doesn't give a damn about second third fourth fifth. These are trying to win. Some of these guys will lay yup at no point will. It's an interesting point. That's a good point. Yeah rain knows that he's cash for fifty thousand as of now even if he ends up ten than he does. He's not not gonNA end up ten. He knows he's going to hit something And so I completely agree. I really just knowing him in. He's such a such a goal goal. Happy go lucky type guy and already I think feels like you know a winner. No matter what I talked this morning. He he's just as relaxed. LAXED can be I I swear or within twenty dollars top five well dynamic. McKee's this veil to me looking just has a commanding twenty dollars. And then the other three put put them in put in a bucket right. It's twenty dollars commandingly. It's it's it's not ten is it. It's seventy eight seven seven seven. I don't think that's really. I mean it's not I'm not saying it's over but I I think it's an outside of advance if we were lucky. Enough to get odds would be the favorites for sure. Have and then ray would. I mean I don't know I don't yeah. I don't know what kind of favorite he would be. Though I mean what would price be. What why would you WanNa bet the favorite with a twenty dollar leader p not another answer? That question it's awesome ought to I would ask if I go ask Eric. Don't bother them bother well if they put up a number. I'm betting oh I mean whether it's a story. What a story story that? This is shaping up already is I mean just for him to take to get this far very very happy for him. And there's there's no shortage of stories here I'm excited to talk more. We've gotten any see hall of fame in trae styles up there. That's A. That's an incredible story as well The action is going to get started here in. What under an hour Steve? In in exactly an hour basically in fifty five minutes or so. We thanked the bay checks. which was just entertaining can be Dick? GIRARDI IS GONNA join US momentarily and We got Chris Little more that we're looking for Christmas most to sit in with us As well and I also had promised a A Nick Tammaro visit and I haven't heard back from him Actually about a visit so let me Suggests call there. I can run down the the final table races for folks who are looking to play along sheets right here more than other sheets we've got Are Seven racist. She's GonNa Start with Gulfstream's nine listed post time one thirty four. PM You can check on a few minutes to that. But this Gulfstream aqueducts nines at one fifty six schedule Tampa Bay's tenth to eighteen Oakland's a at two forty two and then we come right back. Goes Lonzo nine scheduled for three ten golden gate seven at three forty five. PM Pacific Time and the race that will determine determine this year's champion and the player who gets the Horse Player of the year award. Chris Little more did just a couple years ago. Santa Anita's eighth race the now Joining us we have former champion. Chris Little More Chris. How're you use that? Microphone right there. How are you doing my man breath? How you you must It must bring back amazing memories of your your fantastic run in this event to be in this ballroom. What does it mean to you to be in this fraternity attorney of past NHCD champions? Oh I love it I love it here. I said before if I if I miss this weekend I feel like I'm missing something Extremely important every year so I look forward to it every year. It's one of my favorite weekends all year. Long your countrymen and fellow champion former knbr champion. Ray Arsenault is there at the final table. Had To you know him. Well I mean for me from playing circles yeah I I know. I've talked a few times. I don't get it much what we speak to talk. Are you rooting for him. Or is there somebody else one of your other people at the at the final table right now. I'm rooting for locating. would be something to get a fourth Canadian champion in this well and you had troop Brian Troop right is also up there on the door and he almost stuck into he made a late. Dr Jump so amazing. Listen No one's GONNA no one's GonNa Question the Great North the The credibility Of of everybody. Not that enjoys the game. And and everybody that that comes marauding down to Gulfstream and you know and and even the Quebecers In Hollywood and Dania Beach Right. I don't know they might be playing some highlight but I don't know but they're down there to everybody gets their winter With the respite. In how how. How did this change change your life? Everybody says all your life changing event did it change. Anything changed everything you know. What what I live now I I now own known it before I even help kids? Oh with their school My daughter getting a car All sorts of things. My wife May definitely make my wife. Happy Jack cut and so everything's everything's good. I last year we had talked about getting you on here and I think even further than what we had done you know in the immediate aftermath after math where. It's a bit of a a buzz and and a bit of a blur and because I know you had you had some things you wanted to to really express and and didn't really get the full chance when we went back even to the even to the championship and and I know that that that has has kind of sat with you and I'm thinking about also the clips award presentation any anybody that you wanted to thank further and some of those thoughts. Chris Chris that that seemed to that seemed to be kind of welling inside you above. All I wanted to really say was was just kind of promote the tour I think it's a great thing for of course players It's just it's you're not you're the competitive aspect of it trying to be a seven hundred people in the room. I think it's competitive guy right It can keep your bankroll little smaller. Maula which is which is helpful and enabled you to win a lot saw. That ratio is good You meet all kinds of people come here. I've been here seven years role. I sat at different tables every time. That's great at all kinds of different people's is fantastic right and everybody's been like fantastic to me and I could I can't say enough about you. Won this event in twenty eighteen. You qualified that year. You're because of the tour right onto points remembering that right. How did you punch your ticket to this year's NFC? I managed to get two entries soul soul. I won the online del Mar tournament. Oh very cool. And I managed to win an entry on Horror Stories and and I wasn't the second entry conscious fell in my lap because I was sitting close to was up around sixteenth to twenty fifth in points so I kept trying rain to stay there and I just happened to get another one. They got me there and It's just I don't two entries twice so I don't. It doesn't matter to me whether to one I find to be a little bit challenging for me. So hey you can't knock the the success. You had only playing in one so it it makes sense that you have a little bit of a preference for what for what got you. How often are you playing these days? It sounds like you're participating pretty regularly. They play almost every a day. I don't play if I don't feed into a tournament I don't usually buy in so I try to feed I try to feed into it and I'll flav maybe Three or four times a day. 'cause I'm retired so the time I get no hassles from anybody get home safely monopolize the TV too much but you know they support me. And that's what makes it easier and easier to do that. I have all support from at at home in great. I remember talking to you two years ago and being surprised that you're handicapping tools. Were pretty simple. Daily racing form and a pen has that evolved at all all. Are you still totally old school. It's like a dummy it down even further I would i. Would you know Pat. I know I like to keep it simple and look a lot in the post prayed how the horse looks as well That matters to me Not I I. I can't complicate it too late in life to get into that. Where did you pick up that skill of being able to look at horses I just I just? It's not really skill is not a lot of things I don't know about the forces per se. I just I just have me. I look at my horse. And he's focused like any anything in Life I. I think that he's ready to go jumping around doing backflips and all that kind of thing. I'M NOT GONNA I'M NOT GONNA go with that Guy Right. I just want the horse to look in shape. Rape and focused on his job is there. I'm okay speaking of Focus Just looking at the way. The Constellation ended up and Dick Girardi. WHO's sitting in with as well? Dick ends up. I you ended up tents ends but look at all the names of the prominent players in the console between deck. David Snyder who sears tour winner on the tour Bob Carlson Bob Trainer Danny Shabazz Dade. Good friend Brad Anderson Radish CBC winner. Rayvey Gallo. A legend Chris Williams and Chris Little more so I mean that that's about as glittery console. leaderboard is you're going to see. I would trade places with Brad at the Breeders Cup. Ah That's right very close crushing that was at the Breeders Cup Mile or Turkey and Just getting just getting done by Brad Anderson Twenty Five Thousand Dollar Win Bet on this contest is much choosing to hold a lead. I was happy to be in front going down the stretch of this contest. We nobody's getting you for like fifty thousand on the last race here we got another former. NHCD champion actually still technically the raining and H C champion for another for another couple of hours. We've got the reigning NHCD champion here in in Scott Kohl's Is that Mike on Steve. Is that number five. Ese does air. It is on Mike Number Five. Scott Kohl's reigning champion. You made a bit of a run on the second day. Here what How has your experience bent? Well I'm I'm sitting in here with us. An unfortunate was on the wrong Andrews. I made the run started with thirty four dollars others. I mean you know what type of day it turned into so by the time I thought I was comfortable. I played a bunch of short prices and then What four four cap or sitting last hour and a half? Yeah that was a little crazy because the forty fifth two hundred and fifty ninth pretty quick as I that. That's it's tough you can figure out what and what price they could play without being blocked by like sixty people in front of me and says gets very tricky. 'CAUSE we're radio here so we could describe it you are not wearing. Your Famous Cup sat when you have the Grey Cup's had on. Do you regret the decision to not go with your signature happened to one championship. How much can we simply put down to a wardrobe fail? I it wasn't i. I came in the output. I wanted yesterday. Where this wisdom's I came in? I took it all the only I didn't use. That could've been it. I don't and I got my trs trying to represent the thoroughbred retirement foundation. All we can in and help them out I don't think ended up making here but She's been great and hope to do some more work with them and promote. I'm a little bit this year. Fantastic ask the same question. We talked to Chris about a year later. How what's different? What what coming here this year here? How what do you feel? That was yet is a new experience from last year. I'm engaged hey discordant escorting right there. Yeah so that was big change. Obviously no law school loans is the other big chains. I was nice paying off to inherit inherit them with our marriage but yeah that was just so many cool things like sitting here with you guys everywhere I went. I mean it was just it was a straight treatment is a is a really oh cool dictate to her and everybody was really really great and welcoming at all the different places. I got to go and things to do so I it was A. It was awesome Samir all the way around. What's next for you tournament? Wise Scott any particular events you have circle but you know you want to participate in. Well I mean I hope you do that. Hawthorne Invitational Again that they but on NBC sports last year. But I can understand after my performance yet. They dropped me in. WE'LL SEE I. I had a chance in that Alan lessons or hidden soldiers. The hopefully they only watch the early footage and I was doing. You definitely won't be dropped from our lineup over In podcast firms. You've got on an tastic job helping us out and doing some handicapping and we look forward to Keeping keeping you very much in the poll as you Go on this and it could be. I was GONNA say this the question become the second with the first two time. Champion Ray are are there too. That's Chris Thirteen year but I mean yeah it's It's awesome to see him up there. trae style. I got three and ninety Logan this year. And he's such a good guy because see him when and Who else up there? Eric by commend him yesterday. ooh unleash I don't think I really know anybody else up there so I guess those are my my three that you're in. You made a great point I had forgotten Christie. You to final final chemo. Appearances on your resume How much of an advantage and the some stealing and Steve earlier do you think? It's an edge for Ray. The fact that he's Ben through this whole thing before big time. It's like I found when I came here this year. I wasn't nervous at all right. I have more confidence and I know exactly what to expect. And I just just didn't play my my game and see if it works right. I don't know it's a fun weekend and I love to be here. And and that's that's the best the best thing I love as some people don't like me because I love it right so That's I'm I'm I feel good so that's so a mindset for me like it off a little bit on what I'm doing. The day could go south in a hurry but I try not to do that. It was an admirable run in the in the Constellation for you Chrissy or your resume gets Gets better and better still and Scott. Ah Very much looking forward to seeing. What comes next to you whether it's at Hawthorn or if we can get you around to some of these other Some of these other big tournaments keeneland and hoping to get there the Syria Monmouth pick your prize. It's it's Great Christie. You travel to many of the tournaments. I had the last few years when I when I won there. I I haven't seen any tracks in the states and now advantage goes to almost all of them that I wanted to see all the tasks and that's very cool on a bucket list. That was always wanted to do that. And I got to do it So from coast to coast Sanita del Mar rate over two keeneland Mom Churchill downs. The victory tour sound like an underrated part of the experience. Do you think that's fair to say tournaments on the victory tour. Because you're always you know you're asked to do a lot of different things where there and talked to a lot of different people which I think is important because I think we need to promote the good parts of this game instead of just always here here being under fire fire so i. I thought it was really important to do those things but I. It's it's harder to play tournaments on those days. Just because can you do this at this time this at this time and I'm like yeah absolutely. It's hard to Bina China tournament. Play your focus on it too but the victory tour is unbelievable because they just they give you. I remember most of the places I thought it was. It was pretty awesome a lot all of these contests tracks. They do the best job of anybody. Taking care of horse players We go we. Can we go back to Santa. Need to Keeneland to Monmouth. Especially guys we appreciate it. I WANNA get. I WANNA get a couple of minutes in with deck as well Chris. Little More Scott Kohl's standing awesome. Well done lakes Chris. Fifteen hundred fifteen hundred yards. We'll take that there you go dick ten thousand for you know work ten thousand uh-huh today that doesn't matter good stuff buddy. We'll catch you hanging around for a bit Scott. Kohl's everybody in Chris. Little more champions two of the last three years grabbed Mazal. Tov Courtney and Scott to get married Didn't get oh we didn't get what date once a day that's a life changing year right there win the NHCD get engaged. I mean come of of it Dick a couple of thoughts Asher while we've got you and how many of these have you participated in. This is is it. This is the first correct. Is that right but you've been in contests for so long. I never was really trying to get into this. I got into into it Be Kinda by chance I was trying to get into the BBC BBC. And I kept just missing prizes. Turned out A shot at this. I I WANNA say third second or third Laura when the top two gotten the Breeders Cup but I got an NFC spot. And then I was in the express consented either with a top five got in I six so they got me to spots and then I finally qualified for the Breeders Cup in the last race of the last possible contests and worked worked up pretty well but yeah typically I have not tried to go for this contest but having command here. It's a fun experience on our talking about it but it's more like it's like a horse I players convention that exactly. It's a good thing. I'm not a two dollar win place guy I'm more alive money guy. That's how I play but I learned after the first two days a better strategy. You've had a play this employed today and got very very very fortunate. How would you characterize the change that you made if you did not? It did not look at any past. Performance is strictly planned crisis time. Oh that's interesting. Yeah I as I was holed up doing all the work that you would normally do. And then what convinced me was all those crazy. Horse's at the end of Saturday's wild just completely changed the whole contest. And I said well I also frankly too tired to look at any source. It's mentally very tax. That was that all three prices. I was on the same entry and I do two zero one. One entering in one hundred. Three or whatever on the some randomness went into that. If if you're being like this would not be. I would not take a lot of credit for this gladly. Take the money on the bragging rights. We've got you You you and I talked the other night when we're saying the same floor at bally's and had Senator Tommy Tomlinson immediate reaction onto governor wolves attack on potentially on the Development Fund. Trust your thoughts about where this stands and I know you talked to governor former governor rendell who still plays a very important role in in Pennsylvania politics not to mention in Eagle Eagle rooting phantom scenarios but What's your thoughts on where things are? Now it's a it's a came out of the blue snake. Nobody knew the governor was about to announce what he announced on Tuesday. Two maybe three days prior and so everybody in the business was really kind of taken aback. Like where where did this come from because just three years before governor world at signed into law what looked like protection forever for the business people could advanced asked if you bought a farm. He knew you're going to have the same thing so nobody knows quite where this came from but now having talked to people around the legislature. I don't get a sense. There's a lot of support for this. I know you had Tommy Tomlinson O- on Brusca cell and Keith Johnson are GonNa on our TV show which is in the Philadelphia market next week. Speak to talk about it. So my suspicion is that this was governor Wolf at his budget address and taking eighty percent of the Development Fund Ondon. I don't know what ultimately is going to come out of the fond of anything but it's not gonna be anything close to eighty percent but how it's all GonNa shake at. I'd be guessing but I don't Z.. Given all I know there was a huge thing in and Ville today at the former Smarty Jones stands like two three hundred people. Were up there. I mean I'm not telling you anything you don't know but it's such a big business in the state with the farms. Take about the guys to grow mushrooms. They're all gasping and I won't explain you know where they go. I know what that's that's all we could probably say. Get but it's just so many offshoots to it again. I'm not sure Governor Wilson. Good guy and I think he's been a good good governor where this came from. I don't know the problem is for horse racing. Nobody's GonNa be against scholarships for people at State supported universities. We all get that but governor Rendell told me there's A. There's a lot of money for that. It shouldn't all come out of the Horse Racing Development Fund and. I think that's going to be the argument. That's going to be the discussion and we'll see how a place like I from my friends that are owners and trainers and people that fully depend on this. And I don't want to see this happen. I mean I know too many people whose lives livelihoods are at stake. I is there is of course the the alternate Dialogue or critique that Pennsylvania. Nya has not done enough with the opportunity that they've had and in particular there. There's plenty of reasonable. The bowl ammunition to indict greenwood on this topic a user takeout structure that Ah has been just insane and Joe. Joe Wilson's credit finally relented and and cut Numbers to a more reasonable level but considering the revenue and the the the support of the ten that was coming their way it never made any sense for it to be so high and and despite people screaming it just fed in than. There's this jockey situation from you know leading into the weekend ended up settling with the jocson. I haven't talked to Tony Black yet. About what what concessions were made. And and where the where the settlement elements you know when the ink dried but there's this ongoing perception option that they don't really care about the racing. They're only interested in the big building across the parking lot. The casino. There's there's there's other wild west mentality concerns about you know some of the things that are either reasonable and some unreasonable tax on penn national and the racing there era and the atmosphere there as well as in Philly How how do they counter that? Because the breeding thing is going very well. There's no question it's work no doubt. And there's there's been all kinds of progress now it's it's a legitimate question. It's a very legitimate criticism. The reality in our status once the racetrack owners got casinos. That's that's where their focus was is. That's where the money is. Everybody understands that that but there's a happy medium and I don't think that's been elites and I think it needs to be reached because they could have done more for her sh racing but I don't know what it's like a guy like Joe Wilson. I don't know what his instructions are from a ballgame that he worked for telling them about how much you can spend at the racetrack. I'd love to know the answer. I don't know but yes Pennsylvania. They have not done enough for horse racing to make the handle go up gives the players a better deal all those things. That should have been doing it. I wrote a bad for news lube obviously talk. That since they've you're right it's it's title gentlemen criticism and I think they need to change it. I appreciate I appreciate the Frank Response and watching a nice is tight. Finish at aqueduct We're looking up at the timing about half an hour away from the first of the races that comprise comprised the final table the field. Tanner are established. What was the winning number and academic? I'm live in to pick six. Oh yeah it was TRIBECA got I know I can tell you that I know the two wars. That's stolen Atta boy. Five hundred one five two one one seven two one on a three to one. And what would you say one and TRIBECA. I know very well better than constellation. My man bought Tribeca for ten thousand dollars for the for the hand hill for For coach Dan Henning and his brother. Michael Run yeah. I wasn't hearing you that well but I think the bottom line on Pennsylvania is it's one of the states that the law was perfectly written for horse racing. I mean you couldn't have asked for any more. They got a tremendous under steel. And yes the fact. Is the race tracks in horse racing in Pennsylvania. Numbers become a big deal. That's part of it. That day is Great September's great but yet year round there needs to be more attention paid to specifically the plex idea that the takeout was what it was about. Somebody it does. I got tired of writing about it but it was. It was silly and I'm glad that Joe is relented a little bit but again I don't know where the criticism lies because I just don't know who's telling him. Here's your bottom line. Don't spend any more than this. Those are all unanswerable questions. Because you're dealing with a private corporation and you can't get answers well and in addition the the the the nasty comment the let's bed on children rather than horses. I mean who's writing that I mean and frankly frankly it's such an affront to the to the farmers into the into the breeders. The people that are that are creating horses and for those. I never driven the PEN Turnpike from New Jersey West Virginia in Ohio. It's pretty agriculturally based the state as James Carville said many years ago. Pennsylvania between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh Has Alabama. That's just the reality of it is very rural state date in between the two big cities on either case farms everywhere. So it's worse it's worse country. Chester County is like Lexington. I mean some great horse arms in the country are Danettes. It's standard bread and Jackson's with Barbara. You drive through there and yours where you're in Kentucky. I mean it's unbelievable double so yet to your point about what the governor said. It was a very political statement clearly written for him by somebody. We'd rather make a bet on the kids than horse. Four centers as if every center is an Arab sheikh everywhere center. That's the worst as we all know. Ninety percent approximately four centers lose money. It's a losing proposition that most of the people are in it because they love the game and by being in the game the owners are supporting all these other people and the governor has is to know God. He's a smart. He's not stupid but it was just silly. It was just oversimplifying. And I've read over the years oversimplifying. What horseracing I racing is what it does? And unfortunately the argument has not been made. Well enough I mean Pete. You did a great job with your on the we're having problems with the breakdowns people. Just don't get it because they want they want life. Simple lights are not simple. It's complex and this is the most complex sporting endeavor they're unquestionably unquestionably. Now I tell people about it when I take people on the track for the first time. They're amazed at what it is. They see said really. This is going on out of state and this is like even half of what actually happens all the behind the scenes stuff that people that are good are making their livelihood through this. I mean the fact if they somehow took all that money away and Pennsylvania to get you would just go away way and I I would survive but some of these other people that have been depended on this game for decades. They're just all of a sudden. Your tax base is going to again again. All stuff you guys know many hard working people so many jobs such a contribution to the overall economy that gets washed away conductive propagandist. Now it is not. The sport is vulnerable. Stephen that was your point in any each state where purses our dependence in Pennsylvania almost not solely but the large part on slot machine revenue. So it's always vulnerable to a governor on our legislators whoever whatever the mood of the day is what do they need money before. They got to build bridges they got. I mean it's it's a problem. It's just reality well. And there's also oh an internal there's also an internal issue that becomes problematic within the infrastructure of the sport because an an argument could be made as we watch and see the situation facing Arlington. The argument could be made that if there wasn't alternative gaming money's in in Indiana and in Iowa and now Ohio Illinois wouldn't necessarily be in the in the position Desperate for horses now. That isn't to say that Indiana and Ohio are don't have a right to enhance. Is there their programs because they both are also agricultural states that have viable breeding programs and racing histories. I mean Ohio Ohio. I also the Kentucky of of Standard Bread Racing I mean the the the fair circuit in Ohio is go go to go to a little brown jug. And and you'll you'll see what the mania there and that's what people forget about the Pennsylvania law it was signed into law in July two thousand four for the express reason. You're talking in about Steve. West Virginia had slots are kind of gambling inserted Delaware. Pennsylvania racing was dying. The bill was actually introduced for horse. Racing was introduced for giant Casinos Xenos but the Casino Company's obviously came in. It's interesting how nobody ever says. Why don't we cut a little bit from the casinos? Ever heard that argument. Well it because enough money. Well the casinos of the casinos have become they become the politically influential entity. That racing was for the prior prior century. And a half and and I I don't I don't think we have to. You know automatically relinquish that that that position and I so you know I. I Love the subsidy subsidy comments I I use the word tip because it's a tribute to the entity that made need the alternative gaming possib correct. There there's no casinos out who else racing's back Jones got it was specifically Smarty Jones. People just don't know that because fifteen years is forever they forget how this started and the reality is without casinos Pennsylvania the handle with me dramatically. Bigger would it be big enough to support the person's with now no but it would not be what it is. That was the whole idea. They knew the handle would come down. When you put a casino in the parking lot with your strength that was the whole idea behind given the racetracks some of the money she girardi with us from the Philadelphia Daily News and any you writing off for every so often is Owen? Cohen calls it. I do some odd hot stories then needing like the bigger issue. I will get a call from Irwin on one and the other guys like I mean I used to have a regular column but like the rest of the world. They cut back every tired fulltime for the paper two years ago but I do like forty fifty stories for them a year. So I'm still in action and I do think for the PTA website at parks. Once a week you get on. Let's go racing parks dot com up. Probably be writing about the Pennsylvania situation. Maybe even this week sneak. Larry rather topical while you you you show up in the D. R. F. and Andy shows up on the races when when abby wants to explain a figure I'm the conduit for explaining. Why why the boys did what they did exactly right? And here's a fast finish. I think this is a horse that Robbie Medina. Well it's GonNa it's GonNa be it's GonNa be the shad well but Robbie Medina has been saddling. Shook at least started the final table yet not dot com. No of course players being horse players back back. They're assembling. They're going to assemble cable as we speak. Yes I can see over their pictures being taken. This is it's definitely a contest I would like to be in the League at this point. Definitely be in trump. Let me ask let me get Alex Waltrip. And they're going to introduce some bring everybody up one at a time and had an opportunity to say Alex rates from there. We are again excited deck. Thanks so much Dick Girardi. Everybody and and Alex senior a bigger venue and terrific. Lineup everybody thrilled with the way. This whole thing has Has worked out the move to bally's back to balance it. was you know we didn't have to do this. We stayed at Ti. The I am sort of limped along with the with the with the event in you know there were some risk associated with it. We didn't know what venue would look like. We didn't know lots of moving parts of this this whole event but it's worked out. Well say it's paid off in every way and you've had you've just nothing but positives I imagine ninety. Maybe we have been there was a lot of work done getting to this point the weeks leading up we had a lot of you know we. They were We learn encourage reading. Explain to Caesar's about is what does it looks like. There were insurance issues issues. We had to get worked worked out. We did and we couldn't be well and Feels like everybody. I think everybody stay for the most part right It's a great crowd here. The ballroom I think people are very cited especially after last year's final table all that movement on the leaderboard a lot of excitement. Good racing going on around the country and I'm impressed arrested the energy in the room here is it a multi year deal with bally's Alex to use the lease. Okay excellent so we will be back here. Yes that's it's exciting. I've heard nothing but positive players about that. We will about the venue and the energy in the room. Alex it's it's always in February a busy period for for NPR. A coming off the eclipse awards. obviously you were in Washington for The subcommittee hearings a lot of moving moving parts on that subject work well underway turning to create an alternate bill. Talk about talking about where that that stands In terms of will counteracting. Some of the. Yes and it all comes down to lay six yet again but Let me let me say this. I am three hundred twenty eight. We had the interior working on consensus legislation for years. We've tried to bring people to gather round something like the horse racing intereact. We haven't really made much progress. I think we're getting more serious about it. I cannot go into the details at this point in time I will say that we the era continue to push. Russia had to spend dollars to hire law firms. Try our best to find common ground because we do think there's an opportunity but I couldn't really talk talk much about what it looks like in the sense of time the negotiations now and I'm just GonNa I'm GonNa have to the Mirror on that point and just say okay. Then we're looking for ways to make this work looking overall after just a year of von Kresa precedent the tumult and consternation and you know a media being a defensive position with a with an onslaught swath critiques. It does feel like a few months into this year. There is a there is a more of a calm and more of a sense of of it'll getting getting back to normal and operating the game as as everyone likes but at the same time with this increase safety and and concerned that you know that doing as much as possible I think we as an industry felt and he'll that we were breath doing what we could by doing. A better job explaining those efforts to of of a seemingly more interested public. I suppose this is the watchword going forward and twenty twenty. What we can't do is Let ourselves sort of relax inn go go back into a sort of business as usual mode. I don't think that's going to happen As you say that was a that was that was a tough year. So we've got got got work to do and And we can't let the the good the success that we're having having keep us from continuing to make progress and that happens on this we have these ebbs and flows we do well. We see Talib's come down. We see people being more diligent then loose lose focus take off the ball shortly things spike right back were or there's a high profile situation which is which is always difficult for us as business so we have we have to stay. Reps remain vigilant. We have to keep working the safety and integrity lines continues to modify it seen standards. We got a lot of work to and we're doing that word even as there for is this is early tomorrow. We're going to be updating. That code works being done there so waterworks is going on interest in making sure that we've got it. We're making progress. We're not losing sight of the goal. Here I also sense that after a period of the industry segments of the industry finding fault with everything the organization tried to do and finding fault with with the very presence of the association that is the pendulum is kind of swung back in the in the other direction and that the that the industry three and some of those elements have come kind of back into the fold to give ntr a more of a consensus and more cloud cloud a position that you know that you really need to operate and to be a leader. I mean everybody says Oh we have a leadership back you know and we don't have a leadership vacuum. We have a coalition back. I call it a followership back too mini leaders as good we get. We need more people to follow fewer leaders and we'll get some now The board of directors at the Interior as strong as diverse as. It's been in my tenure and we're pleased with that you know we have to we. We have a lot Our mission is comprehensive. We do a lot of things. We focused not only on safety integrity. We do focus on the customer. This event right here is intended to be a celebration of the horseplay. We can't lose. Focus it loose out of that as well. can't let the safety initiative drain energy. Gee from every other program so yeah. I'm proud about the way we're working today is actually a broader mm-hmm Rutter Board Zoo structure is as low as it's ever been we're now almost Maybe fifteen percent of what it was when I started reading thirteen and fourteen years ago. We've we've reduced news about almost almost ninety per server and yet we're still doing a lot of the same against her because we have raped program has approved an Esa read has to create. Its own white. Who can't afford it? We don't have to use money to take us to to do things that aren't considered valuable by the industry's too valuable. We do them because they'll pay. And that's where the focus other than then the the topics that kind of jumped up and need to be dealt with immediately water some long-time intermediate and long-term term goals that you're working on that maybe haven't received all that much publicised. Well there's no question we have to. We have to you know even in the medium term and certainly the long term the interior safety integrity lives has to evolve. It has to have more thord there has to be. They have to be real consequences for tracks. Don't get on board so that's an ongoing process. We're going to see the alliance take on a new role. Oh maybe the new governance McGovern structure because we need to get serious and maybe it goes beyond the Sierra. It's you know it's it's our baby but we won't see this thing grow to maturity and however that happens so we're really focused on during the safety and integrity lots the long term disadvantage see national horsebox. We want to see it grow and prosper get larger larger it so that we can in in many ways more regionalized the contest. Maybe have more than maybe have some super qualifiers around the country that feed lead into this event. We've got lots of looking at that. Our strategy leading our advantage program we just had a big ass fans which is an incredible credible partner really is. It's one of those that lots of tracks swim. A lot of horse farms are using those fans so we're really happy to have them as a partner. That's that's cash top priority for us to have that time and then the legislative field. That's a constant offense defense age in cash always always got tax issues that we have if assuming you gotta go back and get thirty three appreciation for racehorses renewed for next year We've we've got sports betting I believe DRI and sometime in the next eighteen months. We've got to be prepared for that. I think the industry is prevailed in most cases cases at the state level. And and. I'm not sure that there's a lot of a need for any federal legislation at this point in time. I don't think despite what Orrin Hatch. Thanks yeah I don't see I don't I see that we just going to be watching that but I don't see that changing the way we look at what a Momma's park has been able to do. They've just incredible you uh-huh industries again. It's out of control is a new idea every every thirty minutes. Some other wacky concept Eh. Yeah they're gonNA come out with. Yeah it'd be interesting to see how that works. I see frame apple on the on the track at it At Santa Anita's working today as as rich as as Sir Richard Mandela had had said when I talked to him at some point asking about Rabelais. Say He'll be better when he's gelded. Wipe and Richard laughed at his own. Show I love it. It's actually a pretty good group. It looks like that race. Well Alex I can't thank you enough and AH always great to be here. I love coming and and we conceive of this. I don't know what five years ago and next thing you knew. It's a tradition. So many people just live vicariously through it. it's brought. I think a lot of people into the contest arena so putting on the show. What you guys between Keith? And and Michelle Rae McGrath and Holly Short and all the staff and then the support team that is a little bit more anonymous just tremendous. Well well done thank thanks. Very loving is hard work. It's in the early days. Sometimes was a thankless task. But we we think doing great things or we're going to keep going to keep working individually. Alex Waldrop everybody and the N. T. R. A. Always a pleasure to get a chance to catch up with Alex and get A update eight on everything that's going on and He takes on the tough questions with cheery outlook and EH. He knows that he gets kind of attacked. And a lot of quarters and it doesn't affect the me he drives Forward without you know without hesitation and Rogers Tina also drives through without hesitation and he joins US Roger. I'm shut. This is exhausting. Well you had that cash it yesterday. You told the spouse I had to actually because the head Brendan Walsh's horse. Pretty good too now. You told me the other day when I interviewed you for the pre-game show that you wanted to sit as far for the windows as possible and you never do. Well when you bet cash asks what caused you to change your mind there so the funny thing is I mean to cash pets yesterday on the wall shores the eleven that one and then that Horsa Tampa because I liked him so much in the the price for so good that I could not not that I would have had to be out of my mind because I'm going to go home with a smile on my face because what Where did it? You made a big run yesterday when what did you. Friday Friday was just a train wreck. Gotcha bad you know I. I really gravitate towards grass racing. There wasn't much to be found. No I would have been. I'm not a big off. Track the seal tracks type thing that don't Wanna add. I just couldn't I just couldn't get anything the problem is always going to grind a little and I just can't do it. I just can't insure price so tonight you'll be inducted into the NHCD Hall of fame. What does this mean to you? It's pretty exciting actually. I'm really excited about it to get recognized like that. It's great. I'm really looking forward to it. Do you have anything prepared. I imagine you'll be asked the same there. He said to keep it short. I'M GONNA keep it short you'll be giving odds are you'll be giving a speech at the same time as Brandon hit at the Oscars always always. That's true yeah that's funny but rather how. `Bout Ray Arsenault totally amazing cool was a cucumber and another guy who not afraid of the long end of the SPEKTR. Thank you He'll be there and he'll be he'll be playing who he likes. He likes exactly big price. Brian troop almost made the cut to we talked about that absolutely. Yeah another one that deserves a lot of recognition is pretty pretty amazing. Who at the final table? Who else at the table? You know. There's a lot of names that are not super familiar. Here's the list that we WANNA see. Run obviously trae styles as I I know yeah talking about we champion Ray. I really don't know anybody else. Chris Co jets. I know who that is. He plays a lot a lot of contests. Nice man. I don't know anybody else. John Veils extra from New Jersey. I probably know if I saw his face right right off the picture of him here on. Show that to you. I think he's from Lyndhurst Leonard. Where's that relevant to you That's right it's actually right near the football stadium is that's probably seen him at Probably Seen Mama wants a regular also it seems seems like it seems like a safe bet and what a what a position to be in going to that final table with the twenty dollar. How big of an edge do you think it is? It's always better to be on top in terms of if you if you were. If you were betting on one of these players to take it all who were bet on Ray Nice I would absolutely bet on right well. Let's let's set the stage for this for this first of seven Gulfstream ninth and there was a scratch. The one captured the genie. The cassie barber ended up scratching. So we start off with a field of of seven and Your your favorite. Let's be honest Larry pilot and it A two to one number on the three. You've got seventy two and actually now sweet neon the outside Kathleen O'CONNELL Aratu Ortiz. Five two two seven two. Two one lay lally Cheryl wine baugh with the Red Hot Riding Marcos Manassas yes and then three horses at six to one about that. The Days Wide Open very strange board a two to one of five to two in seventy two and three horses at six to one when you were at the final table. How much work had you done beforehand? That's a good question. I did most most of it when you get into the Sunday this instead of having eight tracks like eighty races. It's more like half of that. Twenty in the Senate today was twenty eight. It was probably the same two years back so yeah basically did the mall. Oh that's interesting. I'm gonNA take a while. I guess you didn't get a chance to look at this ratio. I did not look at anything after I looked early and then I ran into gas and went back to bed. Just couldn't do it anymore. You do have speech to give tonight. Who says it is understandable? You gotTa keep keep the mental powder dry at least a little bit absolutely and just kind of thumbing through here quickly from a fig standpoint and field is not separated by by much if you're a big player lay Lalli and let's be honest. Actually looking at this lay loudly. Let's be honest. Seem like they've got a little bit of a big edge on the rest of this. This group sweet me. It was the first win for Kathleen O'CONNELL But has gotta get faster. You GotTa First Time or you've got a trainer. Leaner you gotTA trainer move. It looked like Cooker was is there a trainer sweet once we know on on granted reserve a interesting okay. There's no no that's interesting. I think there's no shave very weird. Gran reserva seven to one that race to back in the hut hut I mean was was obviously sleep beaten and beaten by a poll by by Totally shaped who went on to win the state totally shaped a really good really good three-year-old heroles this is philly. Jean King the original Philly name. What she she's at at seven to one if you wanted to if you wanted to spin the wheel here and reach for a price? That isn't a bad spot to land. And of course what they'll do by my standards. Just one at the fairgrounds. Oh very cool. How about that too for Bret Calhoun in allied allied racing by my my standards back and I we were kind of wondering where he was interesting. looking at backup at at Gulfstream. They're moving they're moving toward the this is the stake in New York by the way. Here's the BIAGGIO's rose. Let's take this Eh. Our this is shown. Twenty Kareem four impressing between those two former digital as this warm windstream third off. All the Shaq Moon suits four uh-huh the well. There's a three to five favorite. got a Lotta people undoubtedly lead on in that empire force force out and and two and a half million by the way that in a mammoth number. I I thought it might get to you know. Usually the number is three and a half four times the pot so I thought maybe you know million and a quarter baby a million half but they blew past that So that is going to knock some people out undoubtedly Of the Empire six. This thing is going to pay huge. It's it's not a it's definitely a tricky Tricky sequence Ryan Flanders walking around with a bottle of Willett says the rier the Bourbon. Drink some of it in a minute. Thank you I appreciate that here. For former final table He was in the whatever the first final table which I guess was as I think about it. Jose Areas Areas Year and Ryan made the final table. There has appeared this event periodically another guy who's more alive bank player but anybody who comes and brings Jeffrey whiskies. Okay in my book because that was a pretty bottle too. Yeah they do it in the shape of the still there making some good stuff there making some good stuff at Willard. They're making their way slowly to the gate. Let's run down the odds in this first Of the final table races. And you're looking at five to one right now. Louis The to Cheryl Wi Bok. Let's be honest. The three upcoming two-to-one favorite right now. Six one on banned damaged from Jorge Navarro. Second time the Varo twenty two one on takes two to wiggle This is Steve Blue and the lease it's Billie Joe Phillies Jean King talked about eight to one making nine to one now. The six the Juan Alvarado trainee and grant reserve a five to the Victor Barboza. Coming out of the my dear girl and Sweet Mia on the outside seventy two so the favorites or two two one five two two seven two two and those numbers are now five to one six to one and ten to one on the alternatives as well as one big price at the twenty two to one shot. Take it to wiggle only Kaffir. Only one capper. That's that's that takes two to wiggle. I will predict that at least one player in the field. We'll have that. Were looking to shake things up. Giving themselves shot at that. Eight hundred thousand dollar first surprise. Wouldn't surprise me if a arsenault is on the five. That's his kind of price that's true. Raise not afraid to uh-huh fire away right. How should we do the reveal when they show the picture we run them down over? The call do all. Is that the best way to do it. We usually really do it. That's our. That's our tradition. A look on twitter too and see if anybody at the Anti IRA is going to be putting them in real time. And then I can tweet us. Well if if that's easier for folks to follow along coming up to the first of the final table races and no no race goes off slower and more arduously than than they do. Yeah that's not fun. They're milling around up there on the final table just to set that scene there sort sort of it looks like a scoreboard. Hockey arena with the sponsors names on it above the final table area. Up on a podium. You can see in surrounded in my sort of narrow tables with cash for sitting right there and raise up their account in the fake money rape victim money up and he was flicking stack to make sure. There was five thousand dollars as a way recognize. I see are over there. The sign go. I don't know I. I know about half of the players at the final table. That's kind of long. They have a video screen. They're cycling through which is kind of NEAT. I see trae styles. NHCD hall of Famer like Rogers. Tina sitting here with us. What this would mean to him? John you're eighteen times. Bring the Chris Portraits. I've had the pleasure hanging out with at the Logan Sweet Santa Anita husband. Ken McMahon The contest player as well. Here's Eric with Handlebar Moustache. Up on the screen representing the the younger generation of horse players. This is GonNa Louis Fun I. I'm hoping we get a final table a little bit more like we had last year with all that crazy movement the first couple of years people were wondering. Has Anybody ever going to come from far back to claim the big prize. Scott Kohl's showed that it could be done started the final table in ninth position. Got All the way up to the top just absolutely caught fire at the final table. 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Giant Bombcast 569: Please Tip Your Jumpmaster

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Giant Bombcast 569: Please Tip Your Jumpmaster

"As an all things. Taking your shoes off. It's better to ask forgiveness than permission. Look they're off. There's nothing you can do about it. Now. Yeah. I think that maybe that's the other way to do. It is to just be brazen about a will just like ask waits until two seconds before. Showtime a mood to shoes really quarters taking them off. Really quartered us on that. What what are we going to say? No. I was just thinking about stinky boot foot, and I gotta get an head of that. It's raining, man. It's rains Putin mentioned that you said take my shoes off at raining pollutes shoes. No. The poop the rain watches. The poop off the streets is to clean, the San Francisco gets really cold outside. It is forty three degrees here right now, which is never happened. It was scheduled to snow last night up where I was. Yeah. What what if it's snowed? Yeah. What if it's node your then it turns out it wouldn't stick to the streets. And it just doesn't hold then turn into is. It doesn't do. I was so worried about this might be a terrible thing to say because I understand the chaos it would unleash ultimate fantasy to see just like a foot of smoke. Don't on the city to just it would kill it. Every everything shut the bus to work. I know than nobody would go to work nothing would operate with an inch of snow when I was in Huntsville, Alabama one time when there was a blizzard that created to fetus, no Huntsville, Alabama is pretty good ties like one hundred fifty two hundred thousand size city one plough. Yeah. The prepared for the snow belt turns out it was bad. It was shut down the whole week people were burning furniture for thing was cats and dogs living together thought about doing that. I think I don't know if my heaters. So my heater is supposed to kick on. If it gets below fifty five degrees in the house. Wow. That's a chilly house got colder than that. And the heater didn't actually going fifty four when I woke up this morning inside the house, you see your breath. No, no, not quite, but it was fucking cold inside to like get up and be like, I'm walking around my underwear, and my house, this sucks feed these cats because I got to do it immediately and time. And I don't have time to put on clothes to feed the cats that demanding. Oh, yeah. Oh, bad fast. If I'm not up by seven to feed them. It's it's bad time. Just get in your face your tail I've had you see the, but you will see the, but sometimes I'll get a cat attacking my appendages through the covers. Which you know, sometimes the Cadillac look. Okay, at cat stand on. Let's call it the gentle triangle, there may these shown. Yeah. The the no fly the no-go area. Yeah. And then jumped full force off of that as a launching form. So just back back feet pushed in deep in deep deep. It's a good one. It was unpleasant. You can get a rupture that way. You gotta be careful. Yeah. It's it's been a now when a gets anywhere near like cuddling up on top of me. I'm like, no not now not not until. No not. No can't do it. Let me get on my side. I then you can do whatever you want. But just got to protect your nevers. I'm gonna start wearing a Cup to bed. It's good idea protects you on two fronts. Former before we move on. Yeah. Is your phone wearing digital cammo? No, it's like jeans going on feel it you got a pixel their pixel through with a notch. It looks. It looks like it is prepared for urban warfare. Yeah. Yeah. The not just fine demagoging like, oh, yeah. Feels nice. It's a little grippier than your normal pieces. Pleasant in the hand. I will say. Finished again could complete later. Let Jeff it's like it's kind of fuzzy. Okay. Too much. It's real Griffey. It's got a good grip to it. Is opposite apple phone? I found my Nokia fifty one ninety face plates lean in my garage over the we one of the little candy bar. No, eight ten or whatever. The fifty one was the one that everyone had before they got really small. These found my nice bright orange face plate that I had for good long time. When the bright orange back when I made my very first ringtone. I was I was a CD may guy back then. So we didn't get any no kids selling cell phones. At that time. I know exactly what you talking. Good times. Sturt peddler middle the mall. Kiosks full of the worst cell phone face plates. Yeah, we need to bring that back door. I wasn't in the mall Jesus. Bart simpson. Saying I Caramba we got that for you. Yeah. We're we're generation remix. We want our phones with stupid shit. Yeah. I love stupid shift. Speaking of dressing up with stupid shit. Yeah. Good games lately. Yeah. Strange experienced last week has. How how often in particular just come out? Yes. Yes. You went to an event disappeared out of nowhere. They're literally jumped up out of this podcast last week and flew straight to Los Angeles for a respond event following day. Did you think you were going to see Titanfall three the purpose of which I knew not what they were relatively up front about it like the invite was like unannounced eip, implying that it was not a tightness all brand new brand new unannounced IP from respond entertainment is the phrasing. They use. That's fair. I guess so. Yes. Not not. Yeah. So yeah, they're like we went through an ice Otell screening room the following morning, and they rolled that character trailer. And I was like they making borderlands. The one I'm talking about the one that's like an enemy. Quipping at each other and killing each other and looting of it crate. And there's a comedic robot. Yep. Yeah. That was like what is this? But then they showed the big info dump video or the gameplay trailer. Right after that. And I was like, oh, okay. Is that the thing yesterday at noon that was like this game is the succession of trailers they rolled for twenty minutes. Yesterday is exactly what we saw. Okay. So by the end of that twenty minutes, I was like all right. They're making battle royale. They know how to make fun shooters. I want to try this in terms of information. Dump they did that twenty minute that twenty minute thing yesterday, basically told me everything I needed to know about the game to be like. Oh, yeah. Okay. This is the thing. I'll try I'm into this video where they just run through every unique feature that other battle riles don't have is was perfect way to convey what that game is. Spend a day playing the game and had a lot of fun with it. And then like ten minutes before I walked out the door, the PR casually mentioned we're having influencers tomorrow to see it. And I was like. Interesting. And then Brad got back. It said we need to record this right now games going to leak change the embargo. We gotta get this video in the canon case. They moved the embargo up because there's no way we're making Monday without his leaking. And let's see I think I started it. So I played Titanfall twos horde mode last week during pudgy downtime. I saw you mentioned that you had been playing Titanfall too. And I was like on. I just I wouldn't fall. It was on sale at Christmas. I bought it for my friends that I play games with. Because some of them didn't have it. And I was like we should play this hormone 'cause I didn't know this hormone exist and I want to play the horn mode because tight dope. And it was just a weird coincidence. Yeah. Okay. I didn't know anything. Yeah. It's good. The way those leaks went down like you were saying yesterday the way those leaks happened in the way that the game was presented by people. Who haven't seen the game was like the worst way you sell? Yes. So you recorded that video. And so that was me finding out about it. And then so I spent the weekend watching like under embargo watching this fucking thing unfold as people like, yes. With kind of half, the story, whatever it's not my job that really care about that. But I I really felt for the Dev team as like watching people boil the game down to know wall running no titans as like the thing they were saying that. Well. Well, and then like knowing what the game is going, actually if you took that map, and that style and dropped titans and wall running into it as is it would not be see why they wouldn't do it. And also knowing that they are have season plans and all of other stuff like if the game does. Well, titans happen at some point like season. Four titans or this paves the way for an audience for titan three which is the thing or lady there's an argument that they build a big base for this. And they can make a titan of the battle royale. Oh, sure. Sure. Her story. You know, we'll get a news a little bit here too. I guess, but you know, the stories going around about hey, tight and fall through wasn't development, and it kind of pivoted into this. And all that like I want to play another Titanfall game as much as more more than most people. But actually, I think when I look at the shooter landscape right now, and I look at where call of duty is at and look at where battlefield is at the non battle royale shooters competitive multiplayer shooters, I there has to be some more space. Yeah. Like, I think also like Titanfall probably like they needed a larger tech overhaul. I think it's source engine this game still tech. I mean, they've got it and replace it. But yes, I think you know, before I would want to tighten fall three. I think I would want a little more time now, and knowing the not making it actually, I think is is all right because I think apex actually is is pretty good. And. Yeah. So I think I'm at a point with her. I'm like, okay. Like, let's maybe like maybe this is like a post launched new console game. At this point like take the time to actually do the tech because I e as in a weird spot with shooters right now, it doesn't seem like battlefield is really doing it. So I think that paves the way for a Titanfall sequel. In a way that maybe it didn't have last time out. You know, when they launched it. Right. But they tried to basically like put it in there to fuck up call duties launch. And right between the battlefield launch. And it just didn't have a chance to catch on even though it was the best of those three games came out that should've been like a February March release. It should have been more summer time time working stand on its own and not get trampled. By these bigger names. There it needed air. It didn't get it. Jim between battlefield one. And. Yeah. Well, the one before that advanced war flowers, three gather less. Interesting owns. Yeah. Completely memorable call duty. It's it's weird. Because to hear the director it from what I talked to him did not sound like titan. Four three was ever in anything like full production or even close to it? Right. Like, he said this grew out of they started prototyping, new gameplay ideas immediately after two, and that's how they how they came to this. And that's how they came to tighten fall to as well, there's a lot of like, oh, we made a bunch of little game play boxes of like, hey, here's a cool idea. Here's a cool idea. Here's a cool idea and formed that up into Titanfall fall to and the cast. So he said one of the cool ideas post to in prep for I guess three was one of their designers. Just made the biggest map their engine would support. And they just got as many people in there as they could and start trying stuff. And they were like, okay. There's something here. Yeah. We're gonna keep going with this. So it's it's kind of amazing that they got source to do what seems like a seamless load like I've not seen any texture pop in or anything on that thing on one of the developers of getting the map that big and the player count that high source was like, maybe the. Horace part of the project. You'll see some pop in on. I've only played really PS four and you'll definitely see like some level of detail like get close to a building. Like, oh, these features just popped onto the Bill that row or of a tiny little bit of that on PC, either not as not nearly as and they they walled off this the kind of discreet areas. Pretty well. There's big walls. Wrenching chunks of the mat? Now that you mentioned there's not really line of sight from one location into another. I mean, we we had a couple of fights that were like three hundred four hundred yards yesterday were playing with Pat squall. But like if that was like, you can see a guy not necessarily you're gonna engage with him at that distance. For source. I think yeah. I think I'm going to stop taking shots at people that are that far away because I don't know that I've ever hit anybody. So I've been actually landing. Like hits at a greater distance. I think I've had more success with a sniper rifle one day in apex legends than I have in every other battle royale game. Yeah. So I'll say the snipers seemed fine. The problem I'm having his most of the RS seem to have a single shot mode. But anytime I've gone to single round mode on a are even within my scope. I can't his shit. So I think yeah. Maybe just aren't intended to be used that way. Even though you can put like a four six scope sniper. Scopes are all like six to eight maybe very. Okay. Ak eight eight four them. So maybe they intend to be used the way I'm trying to use them. Yeah. Like the place I'm using a ours. With a with the variable hollowed, it's like one two three x or something that one's pretty good for like, hey, you can tap tap afar. Out the thing I'm having trouble with is in like in pudgy in black ops. You can kind of single shot out while you're in auto ready. You can really tap tap tap, tap, tap, tap tap. And that I'm having a hard time with because the rate of fire are most of these is pretty high, but I like the the lights, especially whatever the Jeanine scout. Or whatever that is the one that uses light MO. Triple take. I haven't found crave or yet, which I think so I think it's a heavy heavy sniper scene. That was the only one I haven't seen the triple triple takes good. But the like you have to like getting the ballistic spot on your head is important because you only get two or three shots that we have to reload that Jeanine you can plink away out and a headshot still creeks and all their armor and to will knock them. So it's it's neat. I wasn't at all expecting this. Yeah. Let's step back and look at the big picture game. It's really the streamlining and quality of life features that make this game. What it is to me? Like, there's just I'd feel like there's a dozen things. This thing is doing that. When you look at it. You're like, oh, why is nobody else done that in the show? So I think it's it's there's a there's some of the stuff that they're doing our them coming up with different solutions than the call of duty team did for black out where where they on the blackout side. They said, well, we're gonna find a way to have this quick version of the inventory menu for quick management of that stuff. Epic legends does in tool tips and stuff like that. And smart ideas about like, okay, you already have a better thing. You can't pick something up. You've got this. You've already got this like, you know, when you're picking up, Adam if you're replacing it equipping and all that other stuff because of the pop ups, and you can actually turn the pop ups down to if I think once you get comfortable with like knowing how all that stuff works. You can probably just turn down to simplified and not have a take up as much your view walk up on them. And so I think like for me the early parts of that game is learning to trust that system because it's actually really well done. And I think it actually. Like, I said, it solves those inventory management issues a different way than blackout did. In a smarter way. Because you can just kind of leave it and trusted. It's doing what you want it to do. I think the one time I've ever read a manual juggle is just wanting scopes between goes. And that's a you. Go into the menu. On the PC you can just drag you can click drag it also just click on and they'll just want. Exactly. So there's no dragging involve there and hit transfer top and goes over the other guy. Yeah. Fantastic. So the only the only thing I don't like in inventories that there's no way to stand on top of a pile of shit and hit tab or whatever to see like the ground pile, the body pile, and then the stuff you, okay? I'm just dragging over real fast. Yeah. But that's that's like four eight console is. Version of the battery all they've done a really good job. I could just transplant the interface when you lose a crate over to like an area kind of thing that would work. But yeah, it's it's it's like the stuff that they streamlined. So like some of the a lot of there's a circle you drop sixty players three persons squad squad solo which initially that was really. Like unsettling for me, so low player, and we'd we haven't said hero once. Excuse me legends. Sorry, but you drop you drop. So you have power is that are integral to your character. But you don't drop with guns. It's not like it's not like you're over watching your plane diva, and you drop with your neck, and your and your shotgun thing you have to land and still scrounge for guns, and that's an important early part of the game. So it gets and it seems like in that in that order like how does sinked distinctive are these classes like in the early game, really? Matters more when you get quipped the abilities really come into play once everybody's geared up and shooting. I mean. Okay. The lady with the smoke grenade. Shit goes bad early on that might come in handy have escapes and sort of stealth and like. Some are generally Tila interference running features like right out of the gate somewhere constant utility, some are like either mobility interesting like bought Halid, how Aker has I've never played that character is the Hugh. So there's two things that he does one of these passive like somebody's been buying the last few minutes, you'll see a footprint, and you can kind of mouse over passive, that's the passive and you'll see it. It'll be like somebody walked here. Two minutes ago. Second or whatever. Yeah. Somebody vaulted or slit or picked up something. When I read that skill on the list, I just mapped it immediately to the call of duty perk just shows like a line of footsteps. Less more subtle like once I heard it was like, hey, it's a two minute thing. You find clues you can ping them and get like that type of information. I was like oh, actually character. Does sound pretty cool like followed that did sound that didn't sound great. So what what does the active ability the active ability? Let's see through. So that kind of cute that which is the the regular the frequent one not the old you can hit. And it shows you where people are at the moment, you trigger it. And then once they moved and then like their shadows the last last known. Okay. So that one's interesting because with that character lead you and a couple other people I played with have all said like, hey, I'm hitting my cues every time every single time. You can get that info you should. But then there are characters like like, the most basic healer just has a heel that you can drop their heels everybody in that one stuff like that you want to hang on until you really need it. Right. But the characters vary a lot. But that one's really good for like if you're in a sniper fight across a canyon or somebody. You just pop it out when it's when the bots and cover peak, and you're just count you can take some also a lot of the cool downs on the regular active ability and the old vary. A lot between characters like some of them charge super fast, the robot grappling hook, I consider immediate cool some of them take a couple minutes. Yeah. The also usually seems like somewhere between two and five minutes. I think depending on how powerful they are the zip line seems like that one's up pretty free raid robot portal, portability that when charges like by the time, I'm done looting. The first phase. She's got her. Yes. Same thing for the grapple. Yeah. Ability seem to go fast. The airstrike airstrikes are pretty slow. It's interesting. I watched somebody used that smoke for the for barricade is that her naming Bangalore use that smoke 'til like completely escape a fight get through canyon, and they just cover that whole canyon with smoke. So they were running away from and then they were able to see people coming through it and pick them off as air coming through. And it basically was like mobile cover for his entire squad. Like, it was interesting because I feel like in most video games smoke doesn't ever work. Yeah. It just always feels superfluous doesn't actually hide people. You know? It's like at best your foolish. Hey, I. I don't know what they did here if they just made it so thick you can't see shit. You can't. That's why it works. Yeah. But I agree. It is actually super useful. I mean, if you think about Titanfall they had the smoke that the countermeasures. Smoke was like always a key part of that. Yeah. Playing titan. But that was like I'm gonna crouch in hit electric smoke in this person. Who is on me is going to die. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Smoke has for what it's worth smoke has become a big part of the late stage game in pudgy in the last six months, the current wisdom in the high level met is that if your squad doesn't have twenty or twenty five smokes coming into. Seeing how people people if you come into a circle where you've no cover people for like, ten smokes out. Oh, interesting. And they just keep them coming because they can have. So many of those final circles are so tiny. There's nothing behind if they're in a field or something like other guys have a rock, and you don't it prevents you from getting wreck. Let's. So that's cool. Yeah. Just like I love the random ordered character picking like the jump master stuff is super cool. That's a really what does the random order. So it's it's required. Three squads. And it just puts the three players in random order to pick characters. Okay. Sometimes you'll take canvas be the same character. Yeah. But sometimes you'll pick. I sometimes you Walsum kinda makes us that stuff up and people can kinda Mark character they want. So you can decide if you wanna take it from him around. It just veges digital mixes up the picking face good. It means you only have to learn three characters like you learn three characters probably because the chance that your first two will be taken when you're the third person out of out of their six free characters out of the box out of the eight. So plenty of options, even if you don't pay for the characters the jump master thing is really cool because it means that like if you're not good at jumping somebody else can do it for you. And be it means that other people that are riding along. So what it means is the person who's the jump master controls. How you fly and you can choose to bail off of that flight path? If you want. Recommended. I've never seen it go. Well, I think it's maybe like the last three seconds. This building this building this building. But yes, playing with strangers. I definitely had games where one person at the start of the jump said, I'm going over here and disappeared. Great. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah. But the other two people can look around and see kind of spot where people are going. So that that is like that's a hard thing to do if you're trying to let a parachute on the roof of a building. And you're not very good at it. And if you can just focus on that. While the other person flies makes everything better the tagging system. This game is bonkers Zico. I think like this guy is clearly designed to work in a way that you don't ever have to talk to another human being playing solo with random. Yeah. The system is just there's a contextual communication button. Then literally anything you point your cursor at hit. It will call out the thing. Like battlefield evolves to that. And then in battlefield five they reduced that to where only one class can do it. It's insane. Because it's a scout thing. So it's it's changed a lot of stuff around spotting. But yeah, they've taken that concept and really blown it out can textually to wear. Not only can like, okay, I'm gonna spot this stuff. But then another player's gonna look at it and say, okay, acknowledge all shit, they're gonna call dibs on an Idaho. Request ammo attachments, any enemy that you tag. When you see them. It'll Mark their position on the map. So while your squad can see exactly where the words also good because you can tag places where you saw somebody. But you can't see the percentage. Somebody moving through an area K there's people over here. But, you know, hey, like in battlefield at least last time. I played a battlefield you couldn't tag them. If you couldn't actually see the body. So it was like you have to hit the button while aiming and the voice call out. And I think the I CONNER differ when you don't actually tag him. So people know like they saw a person or they think somebody's over there. Like, it's very granular. Very there's like kind of general use ones that I thought were kind of cool like you can say somebody's been here. Which was like, okay. I see these chests like the other players team are overloading someone else. These my work. Hey, this is. Yeah. Someone is open. You can point a chest and say like a spy chests over here. If you're if you're being shot at you can mash H, and it just as voice call out in game. That's like, hey, somebody's shooting me. But I'm not sure where from so it actually got last night. I got into we got into a fight across a big area with tears, and it's gave me that hit h to do a call out or awarding thing and my character called out. Hey, there are snipers. Zeroing on us. That's also could actually call that. Like what type of weapon they were using h the are one klivans. Mouse on each is different. It's a pop it. Pops up and say, I think the tool tip said like like press h to warn teammates. Okay. Town on the Deepak what that is. And it's like it's like there's both a call out and point something out, and then respond to something that happens. You're acting. The fact that it literally had voice line for what type of weapon they were targeting with. I thought was really impressive. It's smart. It reminds me this is going to be a weird thing say, but it reminds me a lot of shadow run in that like the cool abilities are ones that would be hacks in like an another game. Right. You can see through walls. You can you can do from place to place. You can throw a grappling, hook, whatever. Yeah. And but it works really, really. Well, that's how I felt like says character in black ups for recon who basically is the through walls guy. And is that that same concept of like, okay, you're you're single tap is a you're you're basically launching a drone launching a dart that has sensors on it. So you get many map visibility in a certain radius. When that Dr is up, and then the other one is just straight up like you're gonna get Ping's that's show every enemy on the map through. Walls like three or four Ping's of where they are. While that old is is processing. So that's the stuff. I don't like about blackout is the thing. I don't think that stuff black. Oh, that's just in the regular competitive. But they let you get a power. Let's you turn off. What's up sounds which when you're playing first person battle royale game? Literally, the only information you have half the time is put step sounds. Yeah. In a game where the sound models already Janke doesn't help anyway. Feelings about this. Yeah. Yeah. I I liked my time with blackout and kind of tapered off of it in favor of the regular competitive multiplayer. Yeah. I hate to wait into this stuff because it gets ugly. But if you kept up with the changes they've been making because I've seen I randomly ended up reading what's the guy's name, David funder hor from team ended up reading his Twitter replies. Which I should not have done. Yeah. The Twitter applies for anyone affiliated with night duty, mortal Kombat, oh, it's terrible thing. But specifically people in that community seem pretty unhappy with specific changes that have happened in the last few weeks on the motto quite sure what those are. I'm going to say that that would be true year round with that stuff. So I don't know that I can speak to the exact thing people might not angry about wondering what has changed over there. But sure I make sense that tracks. So I know they added the respond like a mechanic that is very similar to the respond McCann. It's a remote people actually like people seem to like that. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's that's an automatic thing. Where every time there's a new phase of the circle everyone who's dead response. If this if they have a squad while the soul. That's a lot more automated than the in apex. Apex is really need much more positional you have to worry about getting to terminal to bring people back and their single use. Somebody else might have already used it. I watched so they're single they disabled when somebody uses I watched someone run past my banner, but also run to a respond terminal, and then not do anything near it except stare at it. Yeah. People are learning it's day one. So I had an insane match last night where we dropped in. And my teammates died in the very first encounter flanked around a big of rock to try. I don't think the other team saw me. And I was like all right. I'm going to wait for them to loot and move on. And then go read banners and getting back in was all happy about my flank maneuver, and then they both just quit out. And I was like you to king back in a fit of pique. I was just like I'm going to stick this out. I'm gonna see what happens made it to Hudson myself. Nice me versus a squad at the end. And of course, I got just worked. But like, yeah. And there was a fair amount of hiding in bathrooms to there. It can be really exciting. Even when your team totally stirs you over. It's it's I mean, the things that they've done right with this are are shocking for like a day one the mount of polish for game that was not couldn't have been tested a lot outside of respond because nobody nobody heard anything about until last Wednesday. So I know I know shroud saying he went in a few months ago to see it. Okay back. So they have been talking to some of the top layers. Okay over time. But very quietly apparently when I finished playing last night I flipped on his channel. And he was on a twenty eight win streak Twenty-eight game win streak. I think twenty six game win streak or and with sixty thousand people watching. So like he was levels on one hundred hundred years at one point. Yeah. Like, it's it's very much like like, it's very it is very much a person who played counter strike in his good at counter down real fast. And it's real head show. That's like I love the way the game shoots. Like, the feel of the shooting is good. But the biggest problem. I'm having and I don't know how much it's problem with the game. And how much problem with me is I'm just having a hard time dropping people like, especially as the match progresses and people get hired to your armor. Like you have to put a lot of shots on people to bring him down. And I'm not necessarily good enough to do that. It's like stuck up on a guy last the last game that Ben and I played last night ice knock up on a guy got right up behind him. Didn't he didn't know every snipe at somebody across the map, and I dumped a full MAG of GMO into him. And then he turned around and in one shot at me with a shot half. And I was just like that was that was that's weird. Yeah. I think for situations like that because they have the finishers when someone's down and do the animation. They should probably do that. As a come from behind Malay kill also. Yeah, I feel like that that one shot from the back Malay kill I would've give it a long animated just like a finisher or something like that. So it's a little balanced, but it seems like it would benefit from something like that. That seems like something that would be cool. I mean, if I had known that the one MAG g stuff to his face wouldn't have killed him. I would have just talked to Grenada over there. But he had a squad. So I was like I can't. Yeah. Okay. You have to fast before someone turns around and sees you like I had a similar situation, except the person sniping just walked off the ledge and then down below and then I fucked to the whole thing. Yeah. Damage let's do some really ridiculous escape school. It's literally just jump off a cliff to get away from people in your fun thing. It took me a while to notice in in counters is the damage numbers the fly off of people are colored the armor that they have. So if you see purple numbers flying off, you know, they have a high level neither really wear down the high level. Shields just have more HP or or do more damage for actions. Starting the regular of the grey shields have two segments of you'll blue Heff three and purple at four. But there's purple might also have some damage action. I'm not my. Might I know helmets are damage reduction thing. Yeah. Okay. So what are the things? I really think is neat that. I haven't seen it about Royal yet. Is that the shields both health and shields can recharge. So you're like your armor gives you a shield. It's not a consumable like it is in pudgy or fortnight or whatever where you get actually probably is not a consumable next year potions to, but but in blobs, it's a consumer like once your arm against ground down. You don't have armor anymore. So they added in in blackout. They added you find armor pieces that you can use like a health kit to care your existing armor. Oh, that's good rare. They added that. Okay. I like that a lot. I think that's a good system. It's neat. It means. You don't you're not constantly scrounging for armor after every fight or trying to make decisions like is this like full level one better than my fucked up level three at some point. It's a math problem that I just don't have time to learn I find it really weird that you can't see what kind of armor, somebody has without hitting them. Like in pudgy you often. We'll see like dude with full level three armor and a sniper rifle coming at you like I might wait until he's real close to shoot at him. Because he's going to have a big advantage of shoot him the field needs an eight x and I don't right. Yeah. That's a good point. But yeah, the fact that you have to link away Adam and get some see some numbers come up to see what kind of armor. They have is part of the nature of the character. But maybe they need glue. Yeah. They have shield glow that's colored or like across hair autumn. And they get a little highlight or whatever it would be nice for me. I want to hear about the important stuff are the dances, dance, dance dance. You do when you rip somebody's heart. There's only like customer, you can buy equip or execution. No, that's not. There are the player cards like all of the legendary player cards are animation. Those are out of game. I'm talking about the pop up after you get killed. On the load screen too. Throws. There's intro lines of dialogue. But then that player card, you're customizing an animation on there at the tiers of it that are. I heard kind of that is kind of the Dan kidde fire when you're on the zip-line. Yes. Good coming off ziplock. Up zip lines like a little mechanical do either slow snap on there. And then yet you can fly up shots at lines. It's super funds, man. That sounds good. Like, boom. Right. And then he fell down a canyon sounds real good. It was great. I felt bad for him. I'm curious it. Yeah. I mean, you know, they they've been out saying that they've had over a million people. Try the game in the first eight hour, and you know, it's been growing from it was like three hundred thousand which viewers this morning. I don't it's hard for me to those early. Twitch numbers are often like sponsored streamers and move on the players still be there people they paid to play it. We're playing at this morning ninja was calling it. But other than that it was people. I'd never heard of. But I mean, again, it's like the first day they surprise that to give it a couple of weeks to see sticks around the business story is probably still. Okay. That's great launch or any of those people spending money. What version rate all the other fucking? Wales. Well, I bought the started. Did you see I bought like every almost everything you could buy Titanfall to? Okay, because you like still still couldn't. I went through those micro transactions this weekend when I reinstalled tightened fall to and holy shits. Con. Fucking went to multiple targets to find fucking the right? Fucking chip. Oh, yeah. And all that shit because I liked Titanfall to and knew in my heart of hearts, it was like, okay, it's up against these too much larger games. Yeah. I want to support this game. I think the people that make are doing good shit. So fucking bottle. I mean. Like, I played a lot of titan fall to I played tight and fall to until there weren't enough people to play tight and fault with any more. And yeah, I heard it's pretty dead on PC. I was able to get a new total Chantal. I've been right now. Probably more people in there too. I went to the titan. Follow this morning to see what they thought about the new game. And those people they're not happy about it. That was the video like I knew walking out of that room. I was like some people are going to be fucking pissed and also some people are going to be stacked against it out of the you think about it. It's like, okay. And they said at themselves as a quote in a hole. Just like with Luke boxes, even though they're publishing the drop rates of the boxes. Like, all all. Free to play. It's a battle royale game. Like, of course, there's a lot of checks in that all of people going like, oh, we'll fuck this. That's why they went with the secret release was just like, hey, let's not give people time to build a narrative against us. I mean, they gave him a weekend as leaks probably to do any good. But it seems like at least people tried the game and are liking it. I I don't see a lot of people complaining at this point. I think the number of people that are tuned in enough to like games news to know that this was coming to find out. This was coming Friday versus holy shit. There's a free game that it's made by the tight and fall people that made call duty, and that sounds fun. Like, I think that ratio is pretty good in favor. You're probably right, but yeah, no. I think. Yeah. People that wanted Titanfall three whenever I won't tighten violence still. But also, I think that I I get it in terms of like, I don't think that if Titanfall three came this holiday season. I don't know that it would be enough time for it. Markedly better than you did just because of where call of duties going like, I think blackouts for is a fucking great game. But like, it's it's getting harder to fill matches on them. He has four in the main game awhile. I saw and the keep times taking longer for even for blackout and still. Yeah, they do. The blackout beta or that do the free to play weekend or week for blackout and doing stuff around black ops for that says, hey, this is a little retention is a little soft. Yeah. Same thing for battlefield, frankly that I've ever seen on sale this year in the wake of that. Like don't put Titanfall three out in this environment. Like, unless you're making dramatic changes. Because it's it's getting clear that like this type of shooter is not retained players, whether that's battle royale, or whatever I saw the most concise way I've seen this whole time. Three thing addressed was in four argument of was reading. But somebody somebody said imagine being the people who made Titanfall to after that game didn't sell super well stepping back and looking at that thing and saying what we do to meaningfully exactly. Because it was like about as good as as that style of game could be totally. So like if that doesn't do it. If that game doesn't do it like you kind of have to pivot like the only complaint, I would have about ten fall to that. It's it's not super like it's a hard game. Like, the multi-player is savage when you I jump into it where did you play it? I played on go. No, I played on a console it's experience. But like, I don't think that there's a skill ceiling on the still like I see people in that suburb. Posting clips of them doing doing that. I would tentatively say the same thing about apex because I feel like I did a little better on PS four yesterday. I prefer the control scheme, but the lack of aiming and the mouse and the much higher level of skill level of the people in playing against is making it really rough. It's hard to play against headshot wizard. Always absolutely. And that's you know. I've spent a lot of years playing shooters on consoles now to wear like the only the only time only use a mouse. And keyboard in shooter is when I'm playing like an arena shooter when I'm like all the way back to quake, it was still that over overwatch works. I would I don't play any overwatch anymore. But I would probably buy it on like I did buy it on. But I think if I were to pick it back up, I would probably pick it up on console the doom twenty campaign. I played with keyboard. Like, that's exactly. That game with a mouse and Kita that was probably the last like modern shooter. I played that way campaigns that makes headed of games where you've got people that have spent like much of the last five years ten years. How long Ivan playing shoot on consoles you have people that were in sticking with some keyboard? And getting even better wondering if that's gonna break PC version for me. I hope that there's some kind of ladder system that's gonna shake everyone's relative levels out when I think about like, call of duty they did work to make sure that port is probably better than the call of duty ports have been for some time. Like motto. Mater, blop lops modern warfare. That, you know, the player counts there are even softer than the aren't console because that's a console game. Now like all of duty is a console franchise. It's that's just how it is. I think battlefield is still probably lean PC, but they're still, you know, plenty of action they had on console. It's splits the difference a little bit better. But like when I think about Titanfall that's a console game. The same way call of duty is like yes, you can play it on the controls are all there. It's all fucking handles. Great. But I think that that game just is a more fun experience at that. Like, I'm not gonna say lower skill level. But like the controls are such after. Yes. More players can do. Well, I think you're right. It's like console pub G is not a three hundred yard game. Fifty two. Is a game where they didn't make like they didn't build those concessions in the inventory management that game sucks ass. It's bad. It's terrible. And the performance. I don't have played it on PS four at launch. And I felt like that performance was not great better than that. Every time they've done a patch. It's still not it's not what it should be. And. Yeah. You for that same reason, I think if you had the option to play pub, John you would be nuts to even bother planning on council. So the thing to me about apex legend is that what the game is called apex is not the most memorable title. I mean, at least it's not worth under something. Just anyway, I take shots at worth under the word storm is not in there anywhere. The thing that they've done. I think is that they've softened like like, I think they're sound bottle which is important for first person battle royale game super important. Yeah. Is ride somewhere between blobs blackout and pudgy right? Like, pudgy is the gold standard. I think on that stuff. And blobs was a is still a hot mess. The last time I played a month ago. But this this is accurate. I only had one time when somebody found some material that doesn't make footsteps sound and snuck up behind me and shot me in the head which is those are bugs stuff, they'll fix right? It seems pretty good. When you hear shots, you can tell generally where they're coming from which is the important thing when you hear footsteps, you can tell they're on my right there on my left there. But me there below me by the same token. I haven't I downloaded apex for but have not played it. But I get the same impression that that's probably a game. I'm going to want to play exclusively on consoles. I I think I think that it's going to be a different. I think the meta on those on the console of the PC versions can be different could see that my guess is ranges and just like, you know, the, but also I guess they got really low recoil, and like like I said plan on PS four, and I've done better with sniper rifles there than I have with just about any sniper rifle. So the sniper have a little bit of ballistic model seems like the jeez, don't when you're at range like there's a little bit of a law like you can lob up over a railing a little bit just just a touch. The SM. Jeez seem really really weak at close range and the shotgun seem like God tear early on I two it's a pretty fucking good. Good shock on him to has any other battle royale done the loot style aspect of the weapons in this game. And the gear I mean, there's there's the grey blue purple just rarity quality stuff. Yeah. But then the gold weapons found and armor. Those have got some kind of wild perks on them. Borderland style. Yeah. Like I picked up a gold knockdown shield yesterday. That allowed me to sell revive one time arrived once and then the abilities expended, I picked up I want to say, so I got you get that of a crate or was it one of those barge, actually, okay? Which I typically have found the Lou Bartsch to suck a lot. But yeah, if you wanna get no push fight. Guy off also. It's really fun to just aim your drop and finance it to land on the Decca that thing. Cool twice. I have found. So I think that's where I got that gold knockdown shield. Also, got gold armor that I want I died instantly. But I want to say it would charge a bar of shield every time you gotta kill. That's what I got a helmet that that. Cool perks like that some almost like IMO ish or RPG ish kind of kind of extra stuff on there. It's a little borderlands e. Yeah, I thought it was super cool. It's a neat idea. Yeah. I was gonna say I like the I just generally like the way they handle it. Like the way they do ammo is interesting, so shotguns, all use shotgun ammo. But then the bullet guns heavy their light heavy or energy ammo, and that seems to go across not like heavy ammos for Damas resting. There's a heavy heavy. Yeah. So it seems like there's a gun. It seems like instead of making good gun. Good guns in bad guns. They've done the thing where there's Scituate guns that are situationally good. And you wanna have like a mix of close range and along ranger amid in close or whatever. Yeah. Which seems compelling. Yeah. It's it's yeah. I think they've really launched with something like a really solid foundation. And I want to see where they go with it servers were reliable all day yesterday, which is talking very little issue. I think they posted. There was like a ten minute downtime on concept. I saw that post. They're also soliciting feedback only places like read it about like gun balance feel and mechanics and stuff. So hopefully, they are open to tweaking this. I think that's the the thing that fortnight changed for everybody in the live game world. I think at least in the battle royale world is that whole rapid response of like, you gotta be on top of it. You gotta be fucking. You. Gotta talk about talk about your shit. You gotta talk openly about the shit, you're changing. And why and you gotta like fucking make changes and make those changes. If you fuck it up like fortnight was able to get away with they rolled out some bad shit here. And there that they were like, yeah, we I guess we should have. This was fun. But your sword. Let's kill fifty people in the game. Maybe not the best idea. So bad ass. It's a funny mistake until it ruins like five year games in a row. Yeah. And you know, they unroll it. They're willing to go like, yeah, you're right. We just need to get this out of here. And then maybe we'll revisit it in a year or something see this roadmap. They put out yesterday. Appraising praising the transparency, I didn't tell the picture, but I didn't know what any basically they're basically doing seasons. Like every game. Does they just put out the dates for all seasons on what each one each each? Every three months is a new season. There's gonna be any battle pass new characters with each one. New characters weapons and loot every three months in the game, basically. So they're going to seemingly support it. Pretty well. I'm I'm interested characters next month, basically, which is kind of exciting. Like right now, it feels like there needs to be more feel it feels like there's some gaps in the legends. Like, it feels like there's definitely an optimal team that involves like bloodhound. The zip line guy and the tank guy like it feels like they needs to be a few more of the kind of tank and. Decoy guy doesn't seem guy seems shitty. Yeah. Nobody's gonna use him at seems great. Yeah. The gas guy because I haven't seen anyone. He's one of the characters, but you set those canisters down, right? And then you can wraps. That's that's the that's the frequent one. Yeah. The large ones just just makes them all blow up at once and blows up a big glass gas. I think hurts. I it fucks you die too pretty bad. I don't know that I've seen one he could also see you through it. So if you're in the cloud, and you can't see him he can just plink away until you're dead. It's it's rough. Yeah. Seems like such a situational. Or like, that's the you're you're you're playing that character you are playing a very fucking slow moving game which in a game. I like the communication is good. But I feel like the communication is not great at saying. Hey, what's let's hang out here and convincing other players that. That's the right move. Yeah. That's the that's where some of that stuff starts to break down, and you should play the friends. You play with your friend. That's why it's a lot classes because you wanna play that with your friends because he needs to hold choke points and not like buildings interesting in the interview I did with Dern director of the game which is on the site. He specifically said we really wanted to make sure we got caustic done in time for launch. Because that character is is the sort of test case for where we want to take the characters or it's a test case four, here's a character. That's not just a straightforward soldier with an airstrike. Like, this guy is traps and area denial. Yeah. Stuff like that. And we wanted to say here's a concept of like, hey, we have bigger ideas for character roles than just like titan fall and call duty pilot. I think that that makes sense if you have a lot of them right now like him being the lone character that seems to be in that gap. Like, I just look at it. Like, I don't know that I'm going to necessarily spend a lot of time with that guy. I think that's I think that's again looking at high level g area denial in is how you win games. Right. Right. You keep if you can force people to go out in the open instead of coming in. Then that's that literally is how you. Let others. Imagine how small the final circle is. And having that ole to flush somebody out of the coverage that could be huge the final circles in this game are bonkers to like everytime. I've hit top five. It gets real crazy. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. I I had a final showdown like us, and it was like me and another guy against I think there were two on the last other other last quad, and they had repelled up into this cage hovering high above everything, man. And there was some, you know, some areas to climb up and get on top of it and stuff like that. So it was like this just like purely vertical fight between us in the bottom of this weird cage and them on top of it. And we lost. But it was just a fuck. It felt unlike final circle I've been in before in other games, and it was like this really weird area of the map. There was like, oh, well like one of my squad mates keeps marking someone up there. So I think someone's up there sniping. I'm gonna fuck and try and sneak up behind him on this rope and get them. It was a it was a cool weird moment. The like the movement is really generous in a way that I like one of the things I didn't realize until identing wiles. If you press jump and hold you can kind of scramble. It's kind of it's not like wall running. Yeah. But it's up there. Yeah. Which which makes much more of the map accessible. Another character height above you that you can close to you can hardcore Instagram really jump up legis. It's like Mirror's edge. Yeah. Kind of it's very it's it's it's such a neat base. I wish it was four players just because like. Someone who plays player. Exactly. Like, you're like. Okay. You out. I have a unique problem. Yeah. Yeah. I see that the thing. I don't I don't know you tell me the thing. I mentioned you yesterday is I wonder if allowing four characters from this lineup into a squad is going to get you too many abilities that Senator is well, and it's just going to break the balance of the game. I don't know if it's more else. Can do it. True. Maybe it just works. Like, it's fifteen teams versus twenty fifteen teams is less. Cool this against players on that fast. And even three person squads, I feel like that that map feels empty at times. What is it? There's by five. I don't think I stuff and pretty sure I remember one of the respond guys saying at the event that they felt it was a little sparsely populated at sixty. I agree. I love that. They were the high Lou areas are and when you enter the like, that's just player communicate polish. Polish. Like, that's what I mean. When I say, there's just like a dozen things in this game where you're just like, why didn't anybody? I don't really remember about Titanfall to is that they really kind of went above and beyond in a lot of weird ways in that game too with like control options like that game had a lot of like, especially for you know, you're using sticks on a console like it was just an unheard of amount of control options in. We're just like okay, we're gonna set the dead zone. We're going to do this acceleration curves. All like, the really went wild in that direction too. And then that in conjunction with good player feedback about where you are what you're doing at a given time. They they really nailed it. And they simplified I think some of that control stuff in apex like they're still like dead zone options. And some of that stuff is there, and I get the impression that if people were like, hey, we actually need that stuff. They would probably just put all those sliders back into go. You go. But like you can manually bind all of the call outs. Like, you don't have to use the context one. If you don't want to tag enemies, like having tag enemies, but in super useful. Because then you could imagine that when you see people over in an area when we're gonna do that. It's to by default. I think but like you can do you can spam. Those pickups here, there's armor here will whatever that aren't tied the contextual thing. If you have trouble tagging, it whatever it's a like the clearly plate. It's been a lot of time playing these games and thinking about how to make them better. And yet they didn't offer an option to thank the jump master. I don't understand. I don't understand how it's twenty nineteen. And we're not thinking jump master. I mean, it's like it's like we never had jumped masters before. Just because of that nobody's ever thought about how valuable their contribution is please tip your master. Yeah. I to the jump master, please. Land of and really smart stuff. This is great. This is the treating I want to give this a shot like anecdotally are there like minute two minutes moments that are standing out to you that like put this above any other other about ari'el played with Austin Walker last night, and he put it. Put it a really elegant way. Which was I'm going to mangle paraphrasing. But like the character abilities the mix of options you have based on the squad. You have leads to the battles playing like he said, I want all he wants out of a game is to tell a story afterwards there and the battles play out like a story that you can tell people about this game. Everything is different every battle every encounter is different. Because there are so many different options in play. And it's not like it's not like overwatch where like you're. You're may is the counter to diva and divas the counter to there's not a rock, paper scissors thing going on here with these heroes. It's it's that everybody has different sets of abilities that can be used either flank or defend or air, push or escape. Yeah. And that like like the characters I was playing with last night we rented up plinking ton. So one person stands there and takes a bunch of hits behind cover. And then other people go on either side, and then you sneak up behind him, and then you dump around GMO and their head and they kill you with a shotgun. Yeah. It's pretty fun. But the plate of stuff like that like Raith kinda ninja thing tactical thing kind of makes her more or less invisible. So you can let go invisible and run to another cover. They're they're not gonna know your flanking over there and stuff like that. Yeah. Like, I did a thing where I dropped zip line on top of guy last night. And like, you wouldn't Pascall we're fighting somebody off to the side zip line up from the from this. I'd and as I was coming off the end of the line. I got them both down. Soga best man, that's cool so head I greatly. The stuff with this game. Yeah. I have not been this excited about a battle royale since like early pudgy gap. It has a ton of potential that said it I don't get to this final circles. And I don't have the Drennan shakes that. I get even I've kind of had that a couple times. Okay. Just but not quite as puppy pudgy is a uniquely horrifying experience has scariest game ever played. Well, I think that's you know, some of that goes to the move set in in a game like pudgy where you can go. Is a desk thing and you can hide in tall grass in that game. In the way that you can't in this. And also, you know, just the map style like the map in apex. Feels very much built around like here, these clusters that look almost like a full-on team death match map just kind of replicated around the the world. Instead of like, here's a set of houses shooting your way through set of houses, and they've all got windows, and they've all this like, it is that terrifying. Experience of just like someone's gonna fuck leak through this window and gun me down at any moment. I'm going to sit on this bathtub, but he fucking wait. It out the other thing that that I think is a uniquely uniquely pudgy. But that some of the stuff that game does best is those moments of pure horror and the the other component of that. I played my first match pudgy over the weekend for. And the shoot just basic shooting mechanics damage model the arma esque realism of the whole thing. Yeah. Like one one wrong shot and you're done. Yep. Like one really reloaded the wrong time, and you're and your bone like like apex and a lot of these other games. Like, you've got layers of shields that you can recharge and all these escapes and stuff just a human being in those games and one wrong headshot. And you're. Got a layer of confidence in in apex that I don't have a game like pubs. And that's what I that's what I mean. Do you fall like and like I can this movement. Feels I feel much more capable. Yes. Here. Do do. They're just very different styles. Yeah. Yeah. That's the things. I think. Battlegrounds is trying to be a totally different thing. Even even though these are both battle royale games. Like, I think like the the goals are totally wildly seems like I wonder how many games in the shower there, actually our room for point. I mean, look how many players do you need to have to match make one hundred sixty one hundred player game. Yeah. It seems like if you ask the people in Australia, they'll tell you that they do not have enough laying Australia to play pub g in six different modes, or whatever it is. They run right now. So it's like that's off. And that's with a million people logged in all the time. So it's like that's a challenge. And I don't think that there's an infinite ceiling for these. But I think that if there's good ones, I think the other thing is free to play gives them a much lower barrier to entry because you'll get way more people playing this game because it's free to play 'cause they don't have shell at thirty or forty bucks to try and because of the stuff that you you can lock the characters within game currency. You can lock the cosmetics within game currency for the most part. It's it's. Some of the treadmill seem pretty steep. But yet you can't do I'm halfway to new care. I'm guessing guessing you get a burst of that at the early levels. I'm sure the lever down after a while. I mean, I'm fine. I don't mind playing if it's like six six characters is more than enough Ryan for like, I also want to see how that grind works toward the characters trying to decide who to buy. I. Had Mirage, but nobody seems to really like Rosh. So I think I'm going to get the other guy. He's like he's a dick. He's not a dick is like every line. He's he's he's the dude bro of the game. No like every every line is like this like that. It's like I'm going to be a dick and then pull back like every line is written in a form of just like, oh, this guy has like no confidence at all. Like. Yeah. Let's do this or not. It's weird. I guess unique take on that type of character. But it's just I don't know. I was gonna say one of the things it's weird about this. Is that these guys don't these guys are all Dick's this seems like the most part like, whereas when you play over watch some of them clearly hate each other like they have history. There's there's a lot of baggage watch like you're in the lobby before the doors open and like on us as to Reinhard. Remember that time we were doing some shit fifty years ago, and some more that nobody knows anything about and that gives us some flavor. That's what makes you like those characters more. Yeah. I wish there was more. I wish there was more kind of banter. I wish that there were people that liked each other like with everybody being kind of shitty and being mercenaries. And that's what the world they built is. But like some of those people have to get along with each other. Right. They all they talk about is just murdering each other cold ineffective away as possible. Yeah. I don't think overwatch the beginning. Either for it's worth. I don't remember. It's. Good guys, bad guys. Okay. There's there's some tiny little subplot where the robot is trying to find his creator. So there's really that's the only thing I've seen imply aunt you were gonna say there was a supply where the robot wants to fuck every other character. Also that one. Video game that isn't as well. Oh as a heads up. I'm not like advertising access or whatever. But xbox. If you subscribe to that, you get like a thousand local goodbye money skin. Or I think. I think I think he'd also get a discount on the coins. Believe percents. Took the sting out of which character shy. Get how how hard is it to cancel the access have to call somebody can use. No. Did it from the XBox? There's a process access the same on origin and XBox two separate service for service's shade. So weird right now, you can get ninety for ninety nine cents. You can get a month VA access on the which I was thinking about doing to try anthem. But also if I had to call somebody I I'm just not gonna bother. I canceled the access on XBox from the XBox memberships tab. Okay, I would assume that the same. Here's pro it now, actually. Okay. Interesting. It's easy. What do you? And. Kind of cool that as putting out a good game in February. Right. Cool. It's not a game. We'll talk about that. Okay. People have questions about the wind that maybe. For now, we're going to stop and take a quick break. And then come back. Dreams dreams. It's not just an upcoming video game anymore. Oh, what else is something that? We're gonna try to turn into a reality. 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We are also working on more Titanfall for later in the year. But we love being able to experiment in this crazy universe. Titanfall collectible card game tone that mobile game. They canned they were working on like a strategy game that I it rolled out in beta at the. I saw. So that announces a titan fall thing they said, hey, they signed a deal with Oculus VR game that I think what if that is what if that is what he's talking about what? Yeah. Because otherwise this just sounds like damage control effort. All this headlines went around yesterday's. Hey, they cancelled three to make this. Yeah. We'll also less damage control and more. Like the fact of the matter of just like, hey, we can kind of revisit it down the line. We're on this right now. But in what form like what is exactly. Yeah. So if I mean granted a VR tightened game has a lot of potential getting in one of those titans in Taylor. They'd for VR thing. I want to be our heavy gear game. Really if I'm talking about activision met games. Those little guys like punch and stuff. Yeah. What? Couldn't make like a MEK only competitive multiple for VR Churton Brennan. I don't mean couldn't would they could that be what they're making for Oculus. It could be. I mean, I don't. Hasn't. It's hasn't shied away from competitive multiplayer stuff. No. Very pod. So, but I maybe that. Yeah. It's easy to look at that. What he tweeted and things like well, okay. How big is that studio how many projects so they have in the works. You figure huge chunk of the people that would be the titan Paul file people are going to be on apex fan foreseeable future. Then you've got whatever this VR thing. They announced the partnership a longtime ago point where you wonder if maybe it's dead. And this is you know entirely and then there's the Star Wars game. I'm going to tell you this something he is really good at handling Star Wars games. Okay. Great stores game the table on it Titanfall three days. They're going to roll it out into the person. Who would be like yes, Star Wars. Yeah. Give me a fucking like nine more, titan falls, making tie fighter tomato fighter. Shut. So look Damon. You can't do it. I don't think that dangerous if I wanted to play a modern mission based flight sim game. I would have sunk deep into dangerous because of how fucking deepen crazy with that. I haven't played dangerous. But from what I know of the thing, it's missing is that missions, well, not just missions. But those games told stories in the missions slider. I wanted to have a good score. Michigan. Can Mark Hamill. Fuck the McDowell that yet Lambda class shuttle. Okay. Are made out of cardboard fucking escort mission. But like when I think back on the coolest moments Thai fighter. It was like learning that there was an imperial coup against the emperor. In the middle of emission lecture, scanning scanning shuttle, and realizing some fucking important dignitary was on there. Like holy shit. There's like guys defecting like, hey, here's a bunch of freighters filled with fighters. Yeah. Tie fighters gonna explode or experimental tie fighters on the ship like what is happening here. Like, it was it was like the us mission mechanics to tell story. But I I guess my point is I don't think that that type of mission based flight sim space the space sim the wing commanders of the world. I just don't think that like that stuff plays. Now so say because nobody's done it though. It's been a like, but like people kept doing the point and click adventure thing, maybe telltale size studio springs up and says, yes, we're back space sim get that's what the wrecks guy rebel galaxy doing next two-day game though, it is a full on. Oh, sweet guy. I'll be very interested to see that. And see how. Well, it does. Because like, that's you could maybe have one as like, the, hey, this stuff's bangel when he three, but I don't think you can have twenty three. I don't think I don't think I want someone to say, hey, we're making a new tie fighter because you can't recapture. What made then? Don't think you would wanna make tie fighter. Just call. It something else that you should make it somewhat. What have you seen those projects that there may just be the one it's kind of like how scum VM was sort of a new engine that took all the old vials from the scum games and just allow them to run on modern platform. Right. It is that but like with high quality assets full three d engine. But it takes all the mission files from wing tighter. I could play those missions in a full three d environment. Full like modern looking thing super cool. So so why even even built the cockpit like, HUD displays? And it's that data and just sounds dope. It's super cool. I forget what it's called. But like, I don't I what I want out of that game. I want something that is more complicated than a rogue squadron or something like that. Right. Something more than just flying around as combat style. And I want to manage shields and weapons engines, but not more than that. Like, I don't want to have to have fifty act level of complexity. That's what I'm hoping rebel galaxy out. I'm hoping that game is just that love letter to that era. Aren't they the same guys who did that hitching thing hitch or made like on spec? Made like a tech them said here's our vision for a new x wing and didn't pick up. So they just put footage out, right? Okay. We made this believe that is exactly what this is probably built on that. Yeah. All right. I don't want to wing commander three where it's like, hey launch out of the carrier, go on patrols, thirty minutes. Again. The very end is like, you know, like when you look at those games, even tie fighter a lot of fucking patrolling a lot of there's a lot of escort missions like, you know, and when you get away from that, I think limited even further as to what you're doing. And then at some point it does just turned into ace combat fly around and blow shit up. But again, again, they more control over like, hey, I'm going to switch to the ion cannons and disabled shields again the way you redeem patrol mission though is not send somebody out to just kill and patrol for thirty minutes. Like, you put something interesting. The ties into a bigger narrative out there, like share views that good dialogue on patrol. Then you find some crazy shit that starts rescue ship. A little wreath read or something. There are ways to make that stuff. Exciting. You gotta have good writing in there. Galaxy? I don't think that has a date. I'm super curious. It looks really good. It really does those like rebel rebel galaxy was limited game and a lot of ways. And just the way that they did like it was basically to gain. Yeah. But it was really cool. It was a lot of style. Yeah. Yeah. I played a little tie fighter about two weeks ago. How's it? Hold up. Jeff, you know, it's it's I love that game. And I still love that game. But maybe don't revisit some nineties. Probably could revisit it. Okay. Once every it's not a game. You're gonna play every year. Yeah. No. I can see that tattoo though, when you get to society, man. Tattoo gets bigger. The more evil you on. Yeah. I got pretty evil by the end of the game. All right war grew troops goes like Vance force. Yep. We're groove is a pretty good advance force. Now, Brad, I'm gonna stop you. I don't want to sell you short. But there are war puppies. Their battle pups are armor dogs in this game gave us dogfighting. Yes. In combat like as come to their credit. The dogs are the one unit and the game that does not visibly die yet. They just run away when they get eliminated. Okay. That's everything else dies, and they've kicking us armor and the dogs have their door -able. Okay. General. Yes. One of the commander units dog and even like snazzier. Wow. I'm sold you. Go ahead. And do what does this switch game on switch? Steam. One. Okay. I think it said in the right yet is yes. And the quick look I also said it was out on PS four. But apparently that's coming later. Okay. It's it's like swords sorcery kind of Moog you instead of like a modern military but plays like that. Yeah. Like, it is I will trappings erred. Yeah. It is. It's it's all pixel art. It's grid. Based movement train, you're on confers like, you know. The cut in battle and very specifically the animation when clashes right out of the normal like paper, rock scissors like. Direct range, indirect rain Shearman. Spearman counter cavalry, Trevor Shays can shoot six squares or whatever archers archers ever gonna get vampires. Yes. I don't remember advance had this. But. My favorite thing in the game. Is that every unit has a specific method of creating so like Spearman if a Spearman has another Spearman Jason to them. They will get a Kriton if if you're Archer unit attacks without moving. What if you don't move them to attack you just attack from where they are? They create one hundred percent. It's not definitely gonna crit. Yes. It does is a guaranteed just big big damage both the quits variable. The math seems pretty I'm not gonna say fixed, but pretty good effects. Pretty limited range like you're generally going to do the damage you're gonna do it's very little variability local stuff like trying to think like cavalry, Kathy. Cavalry can move six spaces. If they move the full six spaces and then attack they get the crit. So sometimes actually led the situations where I would like circle around the unit just make them go the full six and then hit. Like Trump shaves crit on their max range, if something is the full squares away a lot of extra options there to get bonus damage or fun to play around with Canucks and commander abilities are pretty game changing. There's a lot of cool stuff. There may an example. I mean, not the one in. Yeah. You saw the we heal which is the least interesting one. But. Dog. What are the units can just refresh? The turn of all the around them. One unit can unit you mentioned is there on the battlefield units. On the battlefield one of the units as Dragoon basically for final four because they just jump and land and do massive damage to stuff around them. Trying to think what some there's a there's a race of four factions and one of them is a race of plant people one of their commanders can lake you can literally just grow five vines to block five spaces anywhere. You want around your which really traps them units, choke points and stuff and some really cool ways credits. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's really cool. The only real knock against it. And this is just like apex where you don't know. How much it's you. I find it hard to criticize difficulty in gains. Because you don't know if you're bad at the game. You know what I mean? Sure. But there's a lot of I've never bad at the game. I experience game sucks. I got fairly deep into the campaign. I got a few hours in and it starts getting really hard and kind of cheap ways sorta looking some reviews. Yeah. That was a pretty common complaint about the game. So I know it's not just me is feeling that way. I always had that problem with advance wars, and frankly, even into the breach like I got to the third or fourth island into the breach. And all of a sudden the game got real hard. I mean, at least case you see percent. Well, this game actually gives you a lot of percentages. But like you get so much information out of into the breach. Like, the only thing I think only think you're not really seeing is like where units or two turns ahead where units gonna pop out. Like, it's just it's real easy for commander unit to get dog piled in this game. The commander dies lose some of the missions. I've spent probably close to an hour on some of the harder missions one. That's one thing. I've really liked that into the reaches that is just typically like really elaborate, logic puzzle. Right. What you're getting into the process of figuring out which turned to one. But you're telling me in this game. Like that difficulty is different in saying something about like, some fog of some apps, how fog of war, and there's a way to see what's behind it until you move units to advance. And then by the time you've done that you're in range of an attack. And they just get slaughtered. Over there. Like having your commander ganged up on by six units in one turn and just using sucks. I have one mission. I had emission the took basically an hour because I was just it was just as battle of Trish in trying to get over to bridges to take the final area. But the guy just kept producing units constantly, and I just had to grind through it and finally overwhelm how big the areas they like advance for size or they. Played in advance will game way bigger than into the breach. When you have to scroll around in the bigger mass. It's big, arcade. Ones are like completely and small so yeah, there's a campaign. That's got a full story and you play four factions. There's an arcade mode where you pick. There's like there's an arcade progression for all of the twelve commanders. And each one is just you fight five commanders in a row on small symmetrical maps. It's just like a fighting game. Kind of thing almost there's a puzzle mode, which still have an unlocked. But apparently, those are dislike that could be really fun Hobie Meru. Sounds like an into the breach style thing. Apparently, the puzzle more like the puzzles in this are all single move. Literally. Here's a scenario solve in one move. So that's kind of cool. It's a super robust package. There's a map editor there's a campaign editor multiplayer. Yeah. You can share that stuff online. There's local four player multiplayer online multiplayer who it's it's super fully featured. And it's twenty bucks, even even with my issues with the campaign design. I think it's if you're injured dance wars, it's it's a kind of a no-brainer also with Starbucks people, which is kind of interesting. The the. Okay. Chucky fish fish chuckle. Make start out for like four years or so more demand for a long time. They early. Yeah. They went one a while ago. So I don't know it's like done, but it is out. Yeah. It is obviously a very different kind of game for them. But I think it's I think it's pretty good overall. Yoga. Talk. It yet. You're sitting on a couple of embargoes. Yeah. I think apex legends is kind of dominating everything we played some as combat seven. Yes week. How do you like that came out on PC finally like a month after the console launch? Yeah. I was I was bummed. The didn't have the support. But then you said it sounds like PS four VR support is not sneezing to the VR support is only a handful of missions. It's like, it's fine. It's just it's it's a I don't know how you make a game that moves as fast as like arcade flying game. Right. It's like, it's anime topgun fighter. It's not fighter. There's a lot of movement. And it's not great in VR at least on the ICS VR. Like, I tried it back at three some some VR as combat there and ruin your after noon or was it. Okay. Now's fine. Because it's just cockpit stuff. I feel like if I'm like personally in a cockpit in VR, you can kind of throw whatever easier, and I'll I'll be able to kind of ground myself with like, hey, here are the instruments. This is what I'm doing. And. Yeah, it was like functional, but it was like. Okay. Scrambled and shot a bunch stuff down. And that was that. It's neat to be able to flip your head around and look behind you. Yeah. That's that's pretty much the same way about. The eve game though, evaluate Dockery. Yeah. Like that type of cockpit. Dogfighting stuff like, yeah. Sure. It works. I think this this more than more than Valk grieve. Just because the scale is smaller. So it's a little more, man. And he's like a multiplayer thing. Yeah. A little different. But but yeah, as games go where you fly around. And there's a ludicrous story, and you shoot a lot of missiles of people. It's fun. How do you feel about the strange real? Yeah. You make your way through it. So I haven't I don't think I played in combat. I might have played the three sixty one or the XBox original XBox PS two zero one. Yeah. But it has been a long-term visited the strange real is real strange. They're like the original ace combat was like an arcade game. Yeah. That's an over time. They leaned into like, oh, we'll have some story. And they did that it was at three sixty game. That was like suddenly not part of that. And was like really, bro and real military like, but it had that fucking high five those pretty good, and it was a single political. Five. Hi, five and. And so it had that going forward. But everything else was terrible. Yeah. This is like them seem like getting back to the strange real story goes plays fucking like anime like like anime happenings sitting. It's the backdrop of fucking air superiority battle generations of war. Yeah. Like like, you have to defend a space. Needle space elevator. Like like, the there's one of the character. Like, it seems like you only play one character. But but the supporting characters like one of them is a girl who likes to fly jets and got arrested for fly. Like, she she broke the don't fly jets long into jet prison jail. Yes is in jail, and the jail is a is an airstrip that is a fake airstrip designed to be a target for the bad guys bomb. Okay. All right. Okay. I was gonna say that. Why would you put someone in jail on an airstrip? Okay. So you she and the guy the guy you play assassinates big spoilers like I four mission spoilers as combat here. You you get framed. Ating the ex president who's beloved by all and is responsible for the creation of the space. Elevators and. Yeah, celebrated. We haven't gotten to the dog the dog's a whole president wants this this this is the new game. There's a lot going on. It's very like, I'm not I'm not an expert on animate. But it seems very animated me. I'm an expert, and I can say that I am not really played much of the strange real era ace combat games. But I think I'm gonna play this one. There's like if even if you don't play it, maybe because scenes on YouTube and check it out pretty good. See what you get into the? There's an honor Princess comes to visit you and otherwise otherwise modern world where there's a Princess. Yeah. And then like for no reason there's a dog sitting on the runway just sitting there. It doesn't move. It looks like it moves maybe and there's some barking dog. The the Princess. It's like the greeting committees dog, great even better. Why do you bring it to me the head of state? I don't know. It doesn't make any sense at all to me that dog is the head of state. That would explain a lot. Yeah. That would explain why the strategies bad. That's why you have the painted on runways at the prison. The air jail was the dogs idea. Put prisoners who are really good at flying jets jets to like if I've jail MC suicide squad. It is. It's fucking suicide. So I'm a prisoner in the jail, and they're like, okay, your job's getting this jet with no, no guns and just distract the bad. Guys. Make them think this is a real base, and you're gonna you're just gonna fly away. Why would you not fly away? If you're if you're in the the jet, look man, your ace ace combat your names ace trigger. I don't know he's trigger your name released, but it should be do barrel this cable better the guy's name would be as combat coming at you. Anyway, it's a weird game. Great. Yeah. That all sounds tremendous game. It is it is way more. Than I was expecting. Club. All right. Anybody other pressing game business before we get into the news. Super hot. There's no. Updating that other one that run based super hot games. Right. Right. They're still working on that key play that wouldn't VR. Is it only VR? Yeah. Yeah. See that. Tony hawk game out. I heard some things activision. Join. No, that's he is that contract is up. Now, Tony hawk is out making Tony hawk video games with someone else his deals. It's a company who produced skateboarding games for IOS before. And they kind of put Tony all into it. How is it is? Okay, I'm curious controller support be a real game changer 'cause they kinda just made it have the Tony hawk controls. But you have to do on a touchscreen, which sucks so. But also, it's it's like, it seems like it's multiplayer like in terms of every three round competition with other ghosts skaters in the world and stuff. Can you collect five letters say doesn't seem like it has all those type of goals in it? But it does have like overall like daily challenges and stuff like that. So I haven't spent a ton of time with it the company that makes controllers sent us one today that I'm going to see if that works hit this one because I guess fort night now sports controllers on IOS and Android, which seems like this is like one of the bolt. On kind or. Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna give that a go. And I wonder if you're if you were playing four nine on specifically on your phone, not partying up in a cross platform way. And only playing people phones, it seems like having older fucking big cages mobile, gee, if you plug a controller into that. Or just run it in the Android emulator windows machine game. And then cheat engine on top. You can you can do bad things to people great. It's like the Dreamcast days love it typing. The dead was really hard with the game. Pad internet is a lawless place. It's the future, man. All right. Let's get into the news, shall we? Yeah. Here's stack of stuff. It's happening over the last seven days. I don't remember what this was last year. But kinda run the fall timeframe, some news came out of Japanese financial press about Nintendo making a new version of the switch, right? We talk about back. Then there's speculation about like is this going to be a smaller cheaper handle on a different trainings and bigger is going to be an evolved version speculation clocked up version four form speculation ran wild. Like, it's going to have the next generation Tigray. It'll make the games run better. Yeah. The screen these four k m sure better battery life, higher resolution, everything everything you need the point is that the reporting back then was just focused on this effort being away to goose sales. And they did not have a lot of Intel in either direction of how the switch was going to was more. Like, oh, it could be this. Yeah. So the Nikkei has now run a new report about where this initiative is going, and I have got. A translation, courtesy of Nintendo. Everything on. I'm just going to read exactly what they translated from that report. They're taking measures as for what is comb one of those being a smaller version of the switch the company said that it couldn't comment on their plans for its product. But has informed multiple suppliers and game development companies that they intend to release. The news says the intense released them I assume they mean the new switch as early as twenty nineteen according to their affiliates. They are quote miniaturizing the console with portability and playing outdoors in mind as well. You kick stands solar solar cells, and as well as cutting features to reduce the price and expand the user base. And then there's a separate quote that also says the switches monthly online service launched in twenty eighteen and the company plans to launch a new service aimed at game enthusiasts willing to pay more sometime in two thousand nineteen. And then I wonder if that's a subscription game service type thing. Into everything ran an update to the story. I'm guessing reading between the lines after some people challenge them on the way, they translated the story there update says after having three separate translators look at Nikkei's article, we believe what we have shared in. This post is accurate to clarify. The publication claims that Nintendo will be strengthening its monthly paid service which online which launched last September. It does not elaborate by saying whether this is an update or upgrade tune into this which online something separate et cetera. Whether nikei is wrong or misreporting this or not remains to be seen snus game. It could be it could be more expand mortgage here of can we just call this NSO with this point. I guess what I'm talking about. You don't have undo it could be it could be a higher tier plan for that thing with extra features rather than totally separate service. I don't know what I mean other than hey, pay us more. And we'll give you the first party games on launch like a game. Style service. I don't know because I think people signed up for the existing service expecting things like super Nintendo games and some of the stuff to come. You think people if they say like, hey is an extra ten bucks to get snacks games that will be because because of the the non work required on that to get that going. Yes that would be. You leaders they do and they already did. Yeah. We talked to a couple of months ago or even laughable weeks ago about. The stuff in. I think the not the most recent switch from our update. But the one before that was strings alluding to like three more emulators specific supernanny gays. Yeah. So that stuff seems to be in planning. But I mean, the biggest part of this is the stuff about the new model of switch. No more individual ball field. I'm sure HD rumbles seems like the first thing you would cut. Yeah. I don't know vulnerable. Are you saying like like itchy rumble the four or simplistic Motors, or none this supposed to Motors? I think if I were trying to make that thing cheaper, I would integrate the controllers in the size. Okay. Actually. Yeah. Miniaturizing the council with portability and playing outdoors in mind. Kind of sounds like a portable only version. Brighter screen. Well, there's no reason you can still DACA smaller one. But but I think smaller smaller more dense green and joy cons jammed unless the docking guts are big and. Have a also the dock itself has some of that stuff in switch. You could have a switch that goes into dock, but that does not have removable controllers. In that excludes number of games. Can't be playing. Okay. That's fine. A number of games. Excludes is relatively low. You could say the same thing about when they went to a two three. Yes about like. Hey games. Try to take advantage of these features that just abandoned nearly sure also there's no reason you can't para digital joy cons like the bluetooth stuff. Yeah. So it's like they're gonna take bluetooth out. They're not gonna take wifi out. They could. They could get rid of the touch screen. What's what's is the screen on that? A it's an LCD or is it Nolan. Definitely. So then they do a cheaper LLC LCD or something like that cost down. Yeah. I guess there's no game that requires such visible outdoors, though. But it'd be cheaper to bigger. I don't know you make it smaller gonna lose battery spaces the big thing on that the battery, and that's already not gray. Yes. That's for sure. I don't know. I think I think non-ruble joy cons and a higher density screen probably lose them some amount of space just to the the mechanical interface between the joins a huge point of failure to on stuff. Takes up some space. You can kinda shrink it that way. Yeah. I also you have to put radios and the joy cons at that point. So that there's injury batteries is cost associated with that. I think. I really think like probably also hitting thing where the pixel density. I don't I haven't done the math with the pixel density on that screen is that the pixel on that screen is a size that is not particularly common these days and. It's seven twenty p screen so and it's a pretty big seven twenty p screen. So it's like, they're not cutting off the phone the way, they make panels. They roll out sheets of the stuff, and then cut it to the the resolution, they want do you think it's just a supply issue could be a supply issue is causing them to change phones, tablets and everything or so much higher resin that is it's getting more expensive for them to make like these relatively low rez large trains, maybe cheaper for them to make eight to use a higher resolution screen quad us four pixels for one or. Yeah. Way. Smaller screen, though of depends. I mean, if they're using phones probably easing TV screens would be my bet. But but those are still the pitch on a TV screen is still high compared to seven twenty inch screen or five inch screen, whatever that is or playing outdoors. It's means bigger bright pack, light more. Okay. Yeah. I mean that to be just like really focusing on the portable aspects like generically you saying they're not gonna make any Buckeye Ford. Man is that. Ttrij GB game that has solar cells in the cartridge the game changed when you went outside and played it in the sun. That's cool. Also, you need to be in sunlight and to see the screen over eight. I wouldn't surprise me. If they put a base band that has GPS you can do Pokemon go outside. It'd be interesting jam settled. What does that what does that do for original, switch odors, the get fucked? Yo. And. If you're regionals which owner, then you have the larger screen and some of the other everything you cut her. You can play the stuff that you're talking about. Yeah. But like, I mean, look they've not hesitated. Put new hardware on Rev two consoles ever. Yeah. That's fair. I mean, not not make use of it the right stick on that new three D S or even just a great speed got us in the new three D S both had like way faster guts, never did much of anything with the big change in the three D S, two new three D S was that you had eight fail of an end instead of G, or whatever there was actually I think the best to the best feature of the new thirty s was the tracking three destabilization like that actually made a bigger difference than anything. Never. I ended up turning that. Because it just never really. Me anyway, I could like pivot three s and have it not break the three. Yeah. Yet to turn the three do anything. Yeah. This is somewhat selfishly is someone who doesn't feel. They want to buy a new switch yet. Because it doesn't feel like an old console or anything like I'm kind of happy. This doesn't sound like something you need. If you already have on this to me sounds like hey, my kid. Yeah. I'm fighting with my kid for switch time. Second. Up to a TV maybe does. But whatever it's almost like the to to the switches three D S and also the three D S two is continually phasing out to releases this year or something. Yeah. Which is like more than they should have in a weird way. But you know, it's like the three D sales are continuing to shrink if this is something they can get out at a lower price point that hits that kind of three s price point or better than they can start to move units to also also just in the way that the two was a strip down version of rain like you didn't you didn't need to feel like you had to go out and get that to replace your. Yeah, existence. Like, I totally like I really thought about buying one of those because I kid because she plays my three DS, and like the three D S is a fragile thing too. Is like. Apocalypse? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, my my wife's been using my switch to play. Mario and some other stuff like that. And as I'm watching them like I'm gonna have to get a second switches on point. Yeah. Like, she would probably be totally fine. With a smaller portable only switch that would fit her doc. I wonder if the concert attach the nets cheaper. Sure bucks owner if they would make the new switch compatible with these dot like probably by this much smaller. It is doc adapter sell separate Dr eighty nine dollars with. Yes. Yeah. That's perfect solution. This makes everybody thrilled. Remaining on the tip this happened right before the broadcast. I didn't have a chance to look over the release. You took a look. Oxide. They've been around in the voice game for a long time. Yeah. They've announced that they've got their SDK out there force which for developers. It sounds like it's already worked its way into some games like and fortnight early on. But now, it's I think a like, hey, all developers can use this SDK to put voice into this witch games with something that plugs directly into the unit. Not using their dumb ass, use your into voice chat acid, does that mean you plug in like a cellphone headset that nobody has any more. No. No. Yeah. Might be might be. It might be. I don't actually know how that stuff would work, but they they are out there at a system level integrate this stuff into your games. Also unity acquired vox. Oh, okay. Like last week, art them. So let's see I'm trying to find some information on what you can talk on. I think that's probably the individual infant implementation. But as far as we know we think the headphone Jack would let you plug in like there's third ring in there or not or something that would require didn't that work because that got wasn't there? A more that work. What's worked in school? Tune in land lobbies or something. Like that. Maybe that's what it was. Yeah. So I think that hardware exists. Yeah. That's cool. So yeah, that's something that developers can theoretically leverage. Yeah. Nintendo sanctioned or could they just do that? And then they can't really middleware and Dev kit like Nintendo, if they wanted to put their foot down and say, no use our stuff, they probably could aid. They would. And in fact, I saw like people in developed relations at Nintendo tweeting about it. So. Okay. That's what you're is an intendo employees tweeting bad that in itself is weird. But also the fact that the company would sanction this thing that they could have very well done themselves. They I don't know necessarily could have done it, honestly. But hey. So with four nine that's what you can plug an old headset into the council's headphone, Jack. Okay. So you don't have to use it a medicine presumably that is Curtis according to end gadget of their decay. Vivax when we're talking about. Do you have any hardware insight in the why the switch is not support bluetooth headphones? Latency? It's always, okay. I don't know. If that's actually why they do it. Okay. But but everybody why why I can't do you can't do bluetooth audio and the PS four. Okay. That's an issue because they do have some bluetooth the controllers said that do work. Also, the controllers on the PS four are bluetooth, and you can plug those. They're doing something special GP stuff, which is the main bluetooth high quality audio profile. Buffer like when you're walking down the street and you interference. You're listening to music, it doesn't matter. Right. But if you play a game, you're three half second behind. Phony they done a bunch of deviled. I'm sure they didn't a lowly and see high quality mood some custom stack on the controllers also in a living room environment. There's not as much it's a straight shot worry about. Yeah. I literally have to carry an extra pair of headphones around if I wanna put him into the switch bluetooth everything else at this point four, for example. I know you can't use the bluetooth headphones with VR stuff because of latency because that can like if you get your. Off kilter K interesting. All right. Yeah. Even Sony's official ones. I was surprised that helps to file a little bit. Anyway. That's that's cool stuff to have on the switch, even though didn't do it themselves. And then lastly. Joe they're making a mobile Dr. Mario that's cool. Dr Mario world what wait a world world of Dr. Mario Mario world, man. Also also its being made in collaboration with the line. So this is mobile development. Well, line's been around a new partnership with DNA. Yes. This is outside of that separate collaboration. Line has been around as a chat apple and foams for several years. Okay. I knew of it because all of my friends used it of this full stickers. I love way before like started doing stickers in message like line was the place you went if you wanted to span of feel like I'm gonna throw up sicker animations. Yes. At your friends. Games as well. All the 'cause they're lying games games. Okay. Yeah. Definitely. What is it? Dr. Mario world. I mean, there's a little table of info that'll read for you. But they didn't give really any other indication what it's going to be. Check it out genre puzzle. Okay. It's coming out early summer. Twenty nineteen. Free to download with in-app purchases for and Android. Pills are not cheap. That's about it launch. Ing initially in sixty regions multiple languages, including English Japanese. Do we all they said that they push? Mario Kart back. Yes. Yes. Yes. That's that is part of DNA deal. Right. I believe. So do we feel like Mario Dr Marios could game? I live Dr Mario I loved documentary but going back and played doctor. Mario now. It's fun less sold on refined. Concept. Yeah. That's kind of where some more. Dr. Mario. What about an entire world a world of Dr? Mario. Yeah. The saturate yourself. I Dr Mario invents the purpose sets. And then it's doctors to over prescribe it, Dr Mario says, we've come up with some addiction control pills here too. Basically, Mario I he prescribes you the fever, then he prescribes you the I was gonna say I was gonna say Dr Mario a landmark game just for giving the world fever in Chile the music, very strong. If nothing else. But it's like I play Dr Luigi on was it was we you. Right. Not. We you that was like a secret Christmas released fun. Dr. Mario holds up. All right. I'm glad every puzzle game on the planet a world tetris effect move on are they going to take the goddamn game to death. And it's got the music's real good. Yeah. I agree. Mission of the vibe, I likes to talk to Mario is in the smash brothers. Yeah. I still haven't downloaded piranha plant. I fell off of smashes so hard. Still trying to do that. And it sounds like there's some problems. That's smash for you. That's miss news. Dr Maury was good. That's the last thing. We can say about this moving on. Yep. In case you thought respond outsing launching a new game on the same day was going to be the weirdest announcement of the week. I presents to you groundhog day, like father like son. Oh, which is a PlayStation VR sequel to the Bill Murray film groundhog day. It is not it is brought to you by Spanish developer, tequila, works and Sony Pictures virtual reality, so they made the invisible hours. Yeah. Is that a VR gates VR game? I played it last year. It's a really neat VR game. Actually, it's like a you're solving a mystery. And it takes place you have to travel between different different arcs of this story and figure out how they all verge. But you couldn't really interact with the world very much like it was mostly you were kind of passive sussing outlets going. To do a little bit more than that. But it was it was pretty light. It was interactive. But light you could move the line back and forth. And you could see how like somebody would set something down the need to find out who came back later use it to now remember, the it was it's it's really well done in terms of storytelling and totally see why they got these people to make a groundhog day game. Because like that there's a line in the PlayStation blog put up a little piece from the director from skill works. And he said where is it? We released the invisible hours twenty seventeen our first step in developing what we call Feerick narrative. So okay. That sounds like what you're talking about. Yeah. By following several simultaneous stories in real time. The player can find clues and discovery the Mr. discover the mysteries hiding in plain sight. So it sounds that is exactly like sounds like that would translate. And they basically say, hey, we're building on that to make this. And of course, there's going to be a time looping mechanic in this game. It makes you play fill you play build Mary Kissel, the sun any McDowell and bilberries kid. Yes. Oh, wow. Okay. Also, also cares. Cares named Phil. Like the groundhog fill the Bill Murray. Character Phil Connors, this is name on his. So you're back in Punxsutawney. And apparently your dad is like age famous local celebrity now. Well, yeah, he's Punxsutawney Phil named after groundhog. He's always was like what was he like the weatherman? That's right. All right. People already knew who it was. But but like he the whole point of the first he had a redemptive arc that took place over like six lifetimes worth of repeating groundhog day. Yeah. Basically screwed but less was at the screenwriter or herald Ramos's involvement. Maybe it was frame ass- at some point didn't somebody in the last few years come out and say put a number on how many days it was like thousand or something relive like ten thousand days or something like that. So I went back, and we watch that movie couple of ago. One is incredible film still. But to is if you watch it from any McDowell's perspective, it's a fucking harm movie because she's just like trapped in this endless loop where she's a prop for Bill Murray to become a good human. Real feel creepy what they use the phrase dark humor in this in this thing. I mean, there's a three minute suicide montage all the different ways he tried to kill himself as he got tired of doing over there going for the same tone in this as the movie kind of into this. It's an interesting thing. Like the thing that they say with this with invisible hours, you couldn't really interact with the world, you can change the outcome. Try to figure out what happened with this. It seems like the whole point is to change right. Yeah. Junior. Does a thing to advance it. Give him his redemptive arc this game contains time loot mechanic with multiple narratives as well. As individual meaningful stories that we can build upon what if what if Phil Connors is entire genetic offspring are just trapped to live in Punxsutawney and grow to love punks punks on earth. Also, it seems like having a fake I've had is a major mechanic in this because like half the footage and the trailer is of you walking around with a fake ipad. Well, they are is the future. Only a are within VR. Finally, it's what we've always been working toward. Also, there's a veteran of Rick and Morty and veteran of telltale doing working. Okay. I mean this game lives are dies on the script. Yeah. Script and puzzle and narrative mechanics, it's weird. So the interesting thing about invisible ours. Was the puzzle bits didn't feel like it wasn't like it wasn't like you're going into seventh guest in. Here's a puzzle. You have to look at the world and really suss out. What the puzzle to figure out? What the puzzle is first, and then the non obvious okay in it was interesting. Few other stories here. Bagging december. Well, we've back up if you remember Glen Scofield, Michael Kandari. Yes. They were the guys who ran sledgehammer games right previously. They ran visceral games and made dead space. I one right. They left after the first game also Clinico field apparently the director of geeks. Young. We have learned in the last couple of weeks. Anyway. They were they've been kind of a big deal at activision. They they ran cul duty World War Two. And then kind of a send it out of sledgehammer into kind of activism roll man like management. Early last year. And then in December quietly, they both left activision, which didn't exactly get a lot of press. But it's so Kandari is now opening a new studio with two gay games brand new studio. What's cake keeps opening studios and they haven't ship games? Like, they did that poll private division thing. Publishing. The publishing labeled. But there was a game hanger Twenty-three hangar thirteen thirteen. Yeah. Thing. No, that's the name of their coke. Their whole offices banks here thirteen did mafia three ri-. But then there were right? Believe layoffs. So I'm not sure what the status is also could talk. You ran a story last year that a new bioshock game is being made in that complex by a different team. But it just feel to ks. Also in that weird spot that where we look at like EA and activision where sometimes it seems like that they should have more games kind of announced on the books than they do. Yes, I agree. And that seems strange. We're also in that time between holiday releases and when shit gets announce. Yeah. So. Also coming up on time. We're in councils are imminent, and in fact imminent. Oh, yeah. We feel like it's next year like this year Z three when they roll around. They be out next year. Maybe not roll them out this year. They'll they'll cover off something XBox seven here with looking at the time tables of like who's going to get what. And when and how soon kits and all this other stuff and looking at Sony pulling out of three and Microsoft saying like, oh, we're going to fuck. Go to E three mother fucker like, yeah. Try to do their early thing. The only shipping front than at least on the police get excited about our fucking new thing all the rubers. I think it said next year next holiday at earliest for either one the other thing to me is the last time they both chose to announce release in the same year. Right. So like announcing an XBox in three or four months, and then having eighteen months to promote it also seems like a long time sleep about the next XBox now for a full year ready. You know, they're definitely doing different this time around hit that maybe maybe at this three. They don't put a name on it or show a box. Like, maybe it's a little more vague than that. Do you think these are Lear jump or do you think this is just faster Xs and prose, it seems like they're sticking with this? I think the x eighty six and probably sticking with MD from the sound of it. I mean like video doesn't develop in the integrated they don't necessarily like not at this size AB. They definitely do mobile obviously do in mobile, but not necessarily that was service accounts. I don't think the Mobile's are fast enough to do what they want it for the inauguration change in. That would be rough. But I do think we get to a point with like, whatever these next boxes ends up being where those games are exclusive for that. It's not necessarily like everything new runs on the range. It's not going to go back. My old stuff might go. Nobody's ideally would go for nobody. Nobody knows for sure. But I feel like the right move is the new consoles. Only the new consuls run the new games like you need a clean break to give yourself a new technology base. But all the old games should run. At least at least I would last winter. If if not further back. I had a couple of questions for you. Now. I can't remember what they were. I'm sorry about tech stuff. But I was gonna say the the release, and if I can find the specific line in here, but the the press release about this new studio the country's founding basically says it's an action game. They're gonna make sure that makes sense if they're like just starting to hire up a team right now. I mean that gives you an eighteen month window, which is I think the minimum if you're spending tens of millions of dollars making a game. Yeah. It seems like jamming that out in twelve months almost always ends badly. The stop you from doing it. No. They do it all the fucking time. Terrible. Every time this polygon story that I got the information from also mentions at the end the two K has other studios including visual concepts for access hangar. Thirteen and cat. Daddy games. Daddy cat. Daddy does mobile. Okay. I was going to say that's a cat. I feel like that's a name that dad. He's stuck in my mind. If I knew what they say. I think. Cat daddy super card. Okay. You WWE car? My believes I can't daddy the collectible card game. Tops thing super card is the playable card game. Okay. Totally different. Yeah. I remember my questions hit me at the risk of descending into technical Morales. A love that. Let's get through these fat that we talk about God eater. Some do. You think? Do you think there's any chance that the next consoles? We'll have any kind of retracing support. Or is that just been Invidia in that that will happen debased thing? I also soon aimed he's not doing anything in that space. Right. I'm sure they are. But we're not not available yet ready. Nice range that they're gonna want for console. Okay. I could be completely is that do you think is gonna just like really stunt the adoption of like Ray, tracing as a core part of the pipeline as opposed to just kind of like a wave video paid us to add to handful high-profile games. Like, I feel like Ray tracing is probably much more important for not real time applications than it is for real time applications thing, so I feel like I think the retracing stuff is going to be super important for like like Pixar probably really sure real excited about Ray tracing. I think that if passed like if you look at the adoption of DX ten stuff around the what the fifty eight hundred series like that timeframe ten years ago. Now, it took two generations after that like not not to to new spins of silicon before that stuff became actually usable in games resolutions. You wanna play right? And that's even more complicated now because we're trying to play games at fourteen forty p four K. So I I don't like I think we'll see real limited uses, and I think I think probably in single player stuff more than I can't imagine. Even like twenty eighty TI the performance it you get turning on that retracing stuff. Battlefield is such that. Nobody's going to turn that on opening. Yeah. That makes sense at especially if you're playing today, I think coming out of see the sea or just after when they announced the twenty sixty and confirmed it it just seemed like they were just like even them. They're like, okay. Here's the cheap card. That you should get. If you're not like get this super expensive racing. Top on top of that. I don't get a little bit of it. But I don't think there's been any confirmation of this. But there's been these persistent rumors about AG force. I think they're calling it a sixteen sixty which would be basically like the die of the RT X cards with the Arctic stuff stripped out cheese. So I mean, even the stuff is true seem to be moving away from it's it's hard to roll that stuff out. I think the big to me the big thing about all of this. The big thing about the twenty sixty frankly seems like the envy encoder stuff in the RT X chips. They finally rolled out the new version of that. Oh, and it seems like the quality on the NBA comparable to X to sixty four at like fast. Okay. Ester fiddled with that the encoding is insanely fast and the quality is gone off. Yeah. So there's no CPU hit when you very low view hit on that even at high resolution shit, dude. I think he might have just fucking accidentally sold video car. Sorry. So basically saves you from having to do PC gaming. Sat up. What have good quality video? Well. On a two hundred dollar video. Yeah. And also just like faster video encoding, everything if you're ripping if you're using quite done yet with my handbrake usage, and I don't have Hamburg supports a yet. Okay. So the NBA. A new. Tank top of that. Because. Reiver's obese there's either a branch or current obese supports income. There. Command line versions of the stuff. That's riot. It's super hard like you just put your current command line over because all Henrik has really is a deal L wherever on top of the heavy. Yeah. So yeah, that's interesting. I don't like, I don't know. I think if you compute if you're doing machine learning stuff RT Xs fucking unbelievable. I think if you're playing games it's great because you can play four K. I think if you wanna do Ray, tracing wait two years, the consoles after next our win Rachel who were those quake two videos. Yeah. Those dope that was the other. That was the first step in terms of Megan. Like man, what if I got one of these fucking RTC Howard's? That's a dumb idea. But this quick the monarchy and stuff they've shown his neat to the modern. Donald whatever about but it was literally ca quick to give me half life one two. And in Ray tracing. I'm there. Yeah. That's super cool. But yeah, like are you going to go back and play a game new game that looks like quick too because you can play. It Ray traced, and like a ten thousand people have those cards. So those people are going to go bankrupt that made no I'm gonna literal quake to porta did fucking to run with Ray tracing to is probably the best maybe click for right lane campaign. Well, being three had those single player. Yeah. I would take over four. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Tues probably the best campaign. It was the first I remember doubling back on area in video game. Yeah. Pretty cool. I had one more console question for you. But actually, I think we have an Email about that. So let's save the other one and just wrap up news here. So. Panel descriptions are starting to hit or the GDP schedule. The starting to come out, and Microsoft may have kind of blown something of a major announcement in the description of one of them given that that entire description has now been scrubbed from the schedule page hopes. But above sites, I think maybe windows central was the first one to run this. Copy the text and trying. Title. Sorry. I'm having to look at their version of the description considering it has been removed from the actual GD site. It's basically a panel about a new SDK a new XBox live decay that is rolling out that will cover Android. Switch. Okay. I thought this was an actual announcement from them and not not. I guess I didn't click. I don't think that's the case. 'cause like literally when you go to the site under parts where the descriptions of handle should be. It's just now white space. Right. Like when you cited to Minecraft on the switch you signed into XBox live. So I haven't tried that. But yeah, that's right. Support their like you. So figuring out how to get it to work with the permissions was my kid plays Minecraft on the switch on a Minecraft realm on a PC, and it works, great your mind around. But I still can't join it. I turn the. The one that my kids on the desktop on that one, no, Sean, look, I don't wanna make your sad. All right. This she'd like she's not ready for the fall on fire. Yeah. It's a it was weird. You have to like I had to go in and unlocks with the parental stuff. Because I think every Minecraft realm has feet associated with it. So like like getting that to work was challenging. But then once it worked she assigns in XBox account. And and there she is. And it's real easy. I assumed it was like that for ipad too. I think. Yeah. Okay. So the title of this panel is XBox live growing in engaging your gaming community across platforms here is description that has not been removed or part of the part. That is interesting. Xbox live is about to get much bigger. Xbox live is expanding from four hundred million gaming devices on the reach of over sixty eight million active players to over two billion devices with the release of our new cross platform. XT k. Get a first look at the ST K to enable game developers to connect players between Android and switch in addition to XBox and any game in the Microsoft store on windows PC's and under the takeaway section. There's a couple of bullet points. Xbox live players are highly engaged and active on XBox NPC. But now they can take their gaming Chiba history. Their friends list their clubs and more with them to almost every screen clubs finally clubs. This will break down barriers for developers that want their communities to mingle more freely across platforms combined with play fab gaming services. This means less work for developers. More time to focus on making games phone. So it sounds like they're trying to move XBox live into some kind of middleware situation where they automate a lot of our handle a lot of those kind of cross platform situation with their stuff. Which sounds like a pressure move to continue to be all about that cross-platform shit, while Sony is still kind of like dipping a toe in silos in their PlayStation. So if they take the lead next generation this all this cross platform south really going to bite him in the end. Yeah. You guys if they take the lead next generation is not going to be purely on the sales of of a box. All right. It's going to be on stuff like this of services, and streaming solution that then turns all of these two billion devices and places where you can play and by XBox games too. You know, and yeah, yeah. The the larger play I think is still the larger play even if they end up the install base lead. So the weird thing about switch on this Microsoft, switch is I think when you buy you can only buy micro transaction stuff with Minecraft coins, which you have to use. I don't think you could buy Minecraft coins. On the Nintendo store, I think you buy them from the Microsoft store. Oh, so you like have to have my coins on your account before you can make a transaction. And right after switch, and you because you can't okay. So it's like buying shift from Amazon on the way. Yeah. Yeah. Because they don't want you to they don't wanna give Nintendo a cut Minecraft coin sales. That's exactly. Yeah. So it's it's a real they're trying to have their cake and eat it too. Yeah. I get it. But also who fucking this point. I kind of don't care somebody's gonna get a cut. I the. They got their pound of flesh. I paid twenty bucks for Minecraft on the switch. It's weird. It's this is a weird. You can link steam to your apex out, right? I was just on consoles, by the way, if you're wondering I was not quite brave enough to let the touch that information. But I saw that option. I let it also just just just bring your friends and your friends care, but there is a fair amount of outcry that game scrapes a lot of data from your grave, which go into gameplay options and disable sharing. I believe is the option. How many games are installed? I didn't get too deep into it. Either is some information collection going on there. If you care as had options in those games since like massive two or something still they used in salt route kits. This is an improvement. I guess yeah. Yeah. It feels like we're gonna weird transitional phase right now. Right. We're all these services are overlapping and people are like people, you think would never even speak to each other or making business deal. The steam stuff in apex seems like a case of like, hey, no, one built their origin friends list, unless their way into battlefield in that case. Like, so no, one cares. So, hey, here's another way to like, you can tie your steam account to your epic account and epic. I'm sure would love that too. Hey, now, build your epoch friends list very easily with this like, you know, that sort of thing is for. XP it's free to play. Is like that's their good Trojan horse to get people to finally build a friends list on origin. Right. But the like XBox live on other platforms stuff is like a generation ago that would have been completely unheard of totally athletes stuff like that is weird and dealt. Yeah. I think it's stuff that like, yeah. Exactly where Microsoft is ad and the message they've been kind of signaling for some time. Now, this all seems right in line with that seems like, you know, this stuff seems like it's potentially good for players. It seems like a good thing. That's right up until it's yeah. Like anything it's right until they're back on top. And they don't have to make a lot of consumer friendly decisions. And then suddenly they've got all your customer info on top of that. If they could change course. And that would be a shitty customer. You're right. You're right. They know every. Okay. Real quick couple other things. The we shop channel shut down last week. We knew it was coming. It's still them. Lost time. But also are good number of exclusive games that were never released anywhere else that you can now no longer down punishments muscle March sin in sixty four there's a sequel Japan only reading an article about exclusive games intelligent systems made a game called EKO shooter plant five thirty. That's cool. Like there was a castle. Videogame? There was apparently what is one of the better recent gasoline to Catalina games put out on the we channel that is just gone now was it a weekend. Or was it a port from something? We wear no news. We exclusive never came out anywhere else bomber. And you can't even download it. Now. Even if you bought it was shut down because I know that we're shutdowns that was the we're not gonna let you buy stuff, and the we're not gonna let you re download I think there are two separate days. They wouldn't let you buy. They would leave my coins. So if you had it's all right? That's that's what I spend them right up and put all show. I thought the re download stuff was still active. Maybe I misinterpreted what I read or maybe I did. I saw people saying, hey, download your games. Okay. L? There were two dates. Maybe I thought we were at the first one, but we were really at the second one. Yeah. And maybe I'm wrong, but I could be wrong. But I my impression was you. Can't even download the games have anymore. It was an amazing virtual console library on that thing. Really? I maybe bought like one virtual console game. You already had all the. Noble people. We don't have ten thousand garage games. The sadder this address bec- those games you couldn't get anywhere else. This is the thing you expect is never going to happen with the digital storefront. And yet it happened. What about all those notebooks? And it's a company that is still perfectly healthy and robust like, right? Notebook stuff. That was on DS. Okay. Yeah. Say so you might almost already shut down. I don't know. But it's it's bad enough to lose digital purchases. When a company goes out of business much, less company, healthiest Nintendo just electing to end. This off did the same thing with original XBox? Xbox. By games over that. You could good. Oh, there were hands. Right. Those original XBox every all the DLC for Hillary to. That's. Also that's fair. Still it sucks. Yeah. I don't bring up these examples to say, it's fine because. Yeah, it totally sucks. I don't know if the if they gave a good business reason. Other than I'm sure it just it costs money run those servers and all that other stuff, you know, the people that are probably still engaging with a we on a regular basis. Either never connected to that thing or pirated everything already anyway. And so they're not probably not making a lot of sales. But also, I guess except the people that are maybe using it to acco you because I think there might be some their way or inroads we wear on. Yeah. Also, like the servers for that service are probably it's probably not like virtual is AWS machines running on on on the cloud someplace probably like accidental under a guy's death physically relocate ADM two or fifty jammed into a rack someplace in Japan. Also, the CD underbelly of this is that I'm sure people will get those games off of we's there and. That stuff like people that care about preserving all that stuff have been doing that for a long time. I'm sure that it was all taken care of so, but for just the average end user that authors games and can't get them anymore. Yeah. That's never. That's shitty. Crap. Intend to domestic is also the great loss. Oh, you can get them us. Thank you. I just can be able to turn up. Fuck Meyer, drums. On talk about we points. It makes. I actually think that shipping new versions of sites. This bills looks good push the button, Dave. Meatloaf, can't she website on Meatloaf. Well, they did Meatloaf, but coots when he get close. He he'd be the way to the this. We shop music. Yes. Yes. All right last story. Nintendo is busy deprecating. All blind features while PlayStation. Is giving you one hundred gigabytes. Oh, one hundred gigabytes cloud storage. All right. They announced the the free games for Joe four February for I think it and it man the twenty sixteen release. Yeah. And four honor. Okay. Also last month that you can get three and Vida games got out with a real bang on the PS three. I think metal you're solid. Four is one of the PS three games, which is kind of crazy that work on the PS four game never came out on anything else that kinda sucks. It's a weird. I don't know that I would actually want to play it ever again. But it's it's a shame that it's not elsewhere liked it. I remember liking it also dive kicking three gave. Oh, yeah. Whatever you do. Don't tell that. Just kidding anyway. Yeah. Your cloud storage for saved games as going from ten to one hundred gigabytes just wish. Yeah. That's all you can do with hundred gigabytes of saves you can put screen shots in there. Can't you thought? So no, really, it's just share those through social media. Yeah. I stowed listening. I just saved games. I wish it was easier. Weird to get a lot of storage. Yeah. One hundred megabytes each. That's only depends on the. Some some argh Angeles. There are still games that have like three leg abide saves. But then some of the our our well over one hundred I wish it was easier to just say always upload all of my saves from non primary consoles. Oh like like if. That's up there. Take the save. Just a check box on the back end says make this like XBox? Yeah. Make this like XBox. That's what I would like it's really like my PS four pro conked out the other day and ship it off, and I lost almost all of my red dead progress. Not your primary machine was not right because my my primary someone in the living room. So that my wife and kid can play it when I'm playing in an office. How I set up. Yeah. Done can you you can't do it. The other way, no do at the reverse direction. No. Because then be logged like they have the. Pounds. Yeah. Okay. If it's not the primary the primary is the one that I never use. Yep. Which means I am always having to remember upload this is this is a specific problem. You can set auto uploads from a non primary. That's part of the XBox are placed on place. So you can't XBox it. Just works like the saves save save it in the online just think about it. But the thing is I never manually upload stuff. And I feel like it's always there ever tried out now from here. Yeah. I don't know. They've added it like very like I said, I mean, I've come in and played games on the show or brought in stuff for quick looks. And I never manually up. Let saves and that's not my primary PS four. There's gotta be something. All I know is I'm back at the end of the Toyland red dead never going to touch that again. Yeah. That's well. You got a flight I fell on that rock and died really missing done. Sorry. Feel for the hats are good hundred gigabytes. Shit. A lot of people were starting to space. I was getting closer. So we play a lot of games. Oh, yeah. So nice job Sony. Thank you started at like one gigabyte when the PS four launched who knows reser gun was like five K say file with all cared about. And I thought there was some some minimum storage size. Like looked like it was almost like, hey, the hard drive minimum. It was like nineteen Meg. The blocks. Gave recently that had a three megabytes say, maybe they shouldn't. It was. Thirty two fat sixteen. Yes. Does big blocks. Yeah. Okay. How about we read emails? Yeah. Emails cast giant bomb dot com. Using a new method of organizing emails. That is no longer in. You just select emails that bring you joy. Yes. Only bills spark joy, his spark show, make it into the show with this point. No, they're not they're no longer in the order. I can't manually order them as of right now. They're just a giant mess of emails. Perfect. So I can't hag start with the emails that I think are the best perfect. Well, this sounds like a much better. Yeah. They're really selling me. They're probably actually less organized. Let's get to hang on just know starting order in which they will get in there trying to fund refine. Yep. That line. Here's the first one. From Dave Snyder. Okay. I'm sorry. David snyder. Okay. In high point North Carolina. Not the one that used to work with you. But a person with the same name. That's suspicious. Okay. Says he I don't know that I buy this. Yeah. Hi, is is apex legends better or worse than Frank ocean's nights. The song. What? Who Frank ocean as well? Yeah. I think it's. But that never I've never listened. I at least know Franken should listen to the material in question. I am not a big Frank ocean fan. Okay. All right, there you go. You just said Jan it's confirmed. Apex zip line? Apex? Drew? You can't with Frank ocean about livestream. Both the ladder steps. That was. Okay. I was fun. Yeah. It's still the same ladder though, or stairs. Yeah. It's a good life. Skill to have. That's more of a fortnight thing. I guess the robot has a smiley face in apex? Allegience should be a separate McCoy. Yeah. Pay my anger, my own picture that robot is just like a sweeper bought from fall to right like the maintenance box. Yeah. Those have the smiley face again. Okay. It's very moon. Incised chappie I've gotten a couple of good skins for for for them for the Chaffey. I got I got a skin for the robot called Sweet Sixteen that just looks like a birthday party sounds great. Yeah. Very serious game for serious people. Yes. Email from Steve. Kind of curious as to your opinions about how apex legends and anthem ended up in such close proximity to each other. It seems weird that they would align these so closely as they are likely just pillaging their own player base. Is this just a play for them to increase active player counts and revenue before an earnings call? If it isn't why do you think they're so close? Also, how in the world do they keep apex from leaking for so long? I still can't get over that. Thanks time listener, I continue to wait for titan full three along with Jeff at cetera. I'm sure there's nothing to worry about. There's no overlap whatsoever. Between these two shooters allu- shooter, actually. But I guess they're not that similar. One of the side benefits for EA kidding. By them. Putting out a free play game is people installing this saw more than the few people on Twitter yesterday saying, hey, time to build out an origin fringe list. Got origin. Stalled you're probably exponentially more likely to buy a game on origin than you would have been before. So maybe that ends up exposing more people to the idea of anthem. That stuff ninety nine cents for access this month. What an amazing coincidence. Right. Yeah. And you get anthem with that. So I think that the trial that may ten hour. All that said, I would guess this is. If that is what they have in mind is a happy coincidence that the game was ready at this point and not necessarily like the plan from like months ago, the probably not anything like that. Yeah. So I think that there are ways for that to make sense. Also, I think yeah. The the appeal is anthem has no competitive multiplayer in it. So no crucible equivalent. I don't believe that interesting. Okay. There's some back. I don't know. So I think that they occupy different spaces also one is free. So you know, you you playing apex does not take up the money that you had saved up for anthem at least in their minds. True. There's probably no downside to that. Unless you play are so reductive that just games where you shoot are. Right. Like all of the same category. Yeah. Well, I have because I have a free game. Let's shoot I'm not going to buy the four money when the location, right, but but also probably a small crowd. I would say that like, you know. I don't know. Yeah. Based on anyone play weekend two of the anthem demo that work any better. Better was fun. Reasonably fun would be in a crew. What's fun struggle? Okay. Roland with homeys is as someone who was only gotten less and less sold on on anthem as a quality product over the last ever since e-3 since I played at three one like seems awesome. And then everything since then it's been like, maybe it's not. Like, I got my hands on more of it. Yeah. And what we played it. He three was incredibly limited. We have five minutes to fly around shoot a little bit. Like, basically a perfect concept of. Hey, here's how it feels in place. And and you know, walking around that social space and seeing how slow you move out painful of that aspect of the game was immediately. Yeah. It's going to be a small part of it though. But. It's a slow part of it. Our counts by the time, you're done you'll probably spend a lot of time fucking slowly trudging around that space. You don't have to talk to most of those people you can just but at that point, what are you doing? Where's the story that point you're in there for the shooting, which I didn't find to be very good either? So like then that that point anyway. Yeah. So as someone who's been only less soul on anthem as time has gone on. It's cool that there's a good Ashutosh out right now. I wonder what the market on single players lash PVC shooters versus competitive. I wouldn't like you always see people are like man, I don't wanna play competitive fourteen year old yelling about their in my in my ear is when I'm playing the game and. I feel like that split has gotten worse. The only reason I started playing competitive shooters against 'cause I got really into battle the way battle royale games. Made me feel as a solo, and I didn't have to talk to anybody that wasn't a friend of mine rage. That was telling to me I this forced multi player in apex legends. Like the fact that it's only three person squads there's no solo and they built this don't have to talk. But like, I still don't think that's going to bring people who don't wanna play video games with other human being into that world. So maybe that maybe that's where the anthem maybe. That's where. Yeah. In fact, I don't think there's a ton of overlap at all to be perfectly honest. Yeah. Trying to think based on what I've seen if I would want to play through all of anthem by myself, excuse me. And not sure that I would. Yeah. Because I played three missions in this demo, but I played a fair amount. More of it at that event a few weeks ago and like. After a number of those missions back to back. Yeah. I felt like I kind of done it several times felt that same way though, design. Well that I but I enjoy the game play in the a lot. Enjoy the plane anthem. I mean, that's the only maybe people will gravitate toward that. And that'll be okay. But I just found the actual objective design in that game to be really read of after a number of hours. I guess we kinda just address this Matt from Toronto wrote in with a I'll just summarize this kind of deline of complaints about mostly about bugs and server issues in the anthem demo. But also, it was bad a little bit about what he calls boring mission design, but mostly bugs. But the gist of the question is this. Did by wear just take their game by putting this buggy and messy demo out to the public. I sure hope not because I love a new mass effect coach or one day. And I don't know how many bad gains erode the studio can put out. I was ready to write this off. Yeah. I had such a bad experience with the demo trying to get in three different platforms the first weekend. Yeah. The first weekend to varying degrees of failure in like to actually telling me at one point of count was banned or something like that. Because I tried to log into many times like that across three different platforms three if messages each time, but. For whatever reason I stuck with it. And I got an a crew people, and I ended up really enjoying it. So I think I'm going to stick with it of man, I could see a lot of people just being like fuck this announcing this is a demo and granted cement it's semantics, you know, it's a baiter whatever. But you know, they're advertising as demo. That first weekend was supposed to bonus for people who've already paid for the game. Yeah. Yeah. We really, okay. Like opening day, you know, for for apex and compare and contrast those and it's like shit. I'm not feeling super. Confident in their service infrastructure over there. I'm looking at them is like a curiosity like the, you know, I wanna know what they've been working on for all this time. And I will play that final game. And see what it is for myself. But like if I if I had to make a purchasing decision based on what I've seen the game thus far. Nope, I'm waiting and seeing if like if launched feedback is incredibly positive than maybe I'm getting in sometime after launch. But like no way kind of risky proposition for released a as a new. Coal from Orlando. Burn up here. Dice battle royale mode. Work will criterion ever pull a respond and surprise us with the burn out battle royale experience that no one expects? I mean, you know. No, yes. You could do it. But I don't know that it would be. Yeah. What would that be well on the car? Okay. If you made it like burn out, and then also, you know this limitation mode in burnout game. Like, I don't know that that works super well one hundred car road rage. I'm trying to I'm trying to. But also open world like if the track down the other cars and find them and stuff like that aspect, how takedown mechanics would work. Just because the get wrecked so easily in those games like and and the speed you're moving at it can be hard to avoid the collision. Yeah. So generally, you know, a lot of those events are racist where everyone's already on the same road going in the same direction as opposed to like, hey, open world, everyone has to kind of come together. Like like, I think that sort of stuff would get weird. You could do it. I just don't know that it would be much like multiplayer tag stuff. Yeah. Riber? Yes, we saw a little bit. That was kinda cool. That was that was a neat mood actually silly. I want I want interstate seventy six battle royale. Yeah. Car wars machine guns and rocket launchers and flame throwers and Cal trucks and simulation like car. Twisted metal. But like Christmas because I was gonna say how about just mic warrior battle. Yeah. Do that heavy here you go? Okay. I got an idea you're gonna have like two dozen pods. They're all going to be connected up. No, okay. I was going to be there. Yep. It's gonna look cool and futuristic great. I've got a space rented Las Vegas three. We're gonna do it pants. It's going to be a battle tick center. No. Battle tech was cool. Yeah. I never went to what of those. I went to the one in Vegas when I was linked first date with Lisa. Battle tech center. Fucking mind-blowing. If you didn't have access to land was sixteen going to see. And that's when the the battle tech center was in Vegas. So we went and it was expensive. And but like they put on a show like guy in a fucking flights barking chip at you through the training, all Leterrier like real human. An actor, basically. Yeah. And like all the guys were dressed up in fucking flight suit, smells, you got in a big pod. Like, it was giant screen in control thing. Like, it was all. Cool. No it was. I mean, it was it was like midnight and the pod move. No hydraulics, but the pot had way more controls than you needed because you would buy the manual. Yeah. At the gift shop, and it would tell you how to enable advanced mode where you would turn on torso twist because the foot pedals by default didn't do anything unless you turned on torso twist. And then you could really start up sequence put in advance a little bit. Yeah. And so like people who once they got good. They're like, okay, we need to flip this which this which this witch. And now we're doing this and going around they made other games for those pods like red planet, which was like a wipeout style racing game, which kind of sucked. God I wish that he'd be VR version of this pods. Yeah. Totally someone should absolutely do. That's that's that's your mech warrior that'll rail. But if you draw magic edge is what you want to do that. I. This. We had gal ago you, and they just had a bunch of SGI workstations hooked up to it was like a room full like eight of these things are four. It was like they were on. Exactly. And then powering this thing that had hydraulics on. It would spin like it wouldn't go full all the way over. But I guess it would go far enough to where at least like from you in the cockpit. Watching it go all the way over it felt like you were doing barrel. And you would do dogfights in these big cockpits, and it was fucking bad ass. Jan eastern pilot of mega bought. Yeah. That was not as fun as this sounds, really. Yeah. Meg about pilots. I would. Yeah. I philippine. Oh, one the only Filipino depending on how that company's gone, but yeah, that was they were running a boon to. Oh, do you mean do you mean megabytes the future of sports? Yes. This whole talk about like, so you were you were the robot jocks. Website just says megabytes. And then it has a big fat button. That says pilot giant robot? The business models. I can attorney when it originally launched. I I interviewed those guys the first year they brought the first. Well, yeah. Yeah. And. They very enthusiastic about giant robot fighting seemed a little thin. Yeah. A lot of hubris going on. Yeah. Yeah. Without reading their full sales pitch this website to me looks like you can pay seven hundred forty nine dollars to get in one of these giant robots punch a car. Yep. That's like hanging from a crane Kickstarter for seven hundred forty nine dollars. My I. Seven fifty bucks. Literally, hold hanging this car from a crane like it's punching bag and you. Are you guys what probably pull some strings? Car. We could probably punch that old couch. We got okay. I got every ever check it out. We're going to get these robots and punch cars while playing. Mario Kart GS. Okay. All we'll do. We actually tested those controls by playing mech warrior sitting to people could cooperate. How it works people like one person gunning and one person driving? Yep. That's the battle. Take people. Eventually tried to open up more centers. They opened up one here. There was like, walnut creek or something. And that one had a full ball wasn't a full alcohol bar, but it was like it was some nineties ask shit. We've got a smart drinks bar with some ginkgo below but drink, and they had all these highly expensive fucking energy style drinks before energy drinks were really thing. He's going to give you mental clarity before you get into the cockpit. Was it like the the metro with the virtual bowling shittier? It was like it was it was more dedicated than that. So it was like it was like higher tier than that. Yeah. But that made it worse. Yeah. I can see that. Yeah. And it was a whole like explore. Errs lounge motif when you got there I went to that one like once or twice. Because I think by that time, we're by the time, you started realizing man, the frame rate on this stuff, fucking sucks. Like, those things are there any of those still like preserve someplace even BUSTER. Hazars those pods. That'll take odds. Yeah. Here still right here. I think so I think you could still play red planet at some of those things I don't know if they play full-on battle tech or not. But. Yeah. Full about Dave and Buster's. I didn't realize that. I I've never got to try any of the ninety s VR stuff. Sure. But I wanna try they should someone tried to remake it. I remember for like like like decay to someone was working on like there was a bad port of. Maybe it was just I think it was like the. Yeah. Okay. I would wanna see a port a faithful ports of that shit show maim should support dactyl nightmare at the end of the day they fulfill their mandate, they're focusing on all the plug and play TV games right now. A lot of name. Now supports a ton of fucking weird. It's it's fascinating. But those games are not necessarily fun. But it's fascinating. Okay. Fair. Here's an appropriate Email. From Allen and Glasgow. What's the best fi suffix? Wade Borg Tron bought or is there one. I haven't thought of. I like Tron to good. Royd unless Android counts. But I would say droid is more humanoid humanoid. Okay. Sure. Sure. Okay. Fine. Like wade. Robotic mechanic, K mega Toronto and cyber Tron came to mind. Tron tron. Yeah. Delve atropine cyclotron Altron. Let's not for that one. Not a big fan of bought the feels that sounds a little cheesy or kitty to me there's a period of time when everybody was putting on the end of their like kid toys, like the bought the wider the mater. Go bot, go pretty cool, though. Only bought the matters at drop. Sure. Next next split. I'm coming from. Try it can give you out like this would be made for an audience of five thousand people or something but somebody should make like late nineties IRC simulator that lets you likes attack and takeover channels and like exploits adequately leagues exploit server splits. That is one hundred percent like a game jam somebody made a text based gash totally. Totally net. Sports later you win by back during through a server split and getting offs in your enemy channel pound quake happened to us in the games. Verse big games guys deserve on f Gaffney locked f- in. It was the stupidest place to be you want your Shanteau getting taken split constantly. But but people refuse to move and accept that. There was a schism in some people went and made a different on a different network under net was nice because you you you kept up like, you doubted, your stuff, I think the same way released better about it soon as you started being able to like a registered channels and stuff like that. I mean, it was less fun. But it was less chaos. Yeah. Yeah. Like both ways. The chaos was deep down kind of exciting. Did you even have to authenticate users on there was just I? Completely without your wiles last. Why people would fuck input Botts channels to just hold their. We had we had boss. Just idle in there. Twenty four seven. Those are days. There were some there's some exchanged insults in my dorm that were from Malaysia and they used IRC like they were how I learned about IRC. They used to talk to family members back home. Yeah. And and they really, hey, check this check this out. All these weird channels type x t c c send number. Okay. And weird stuff in CNN Desa feel like the first time I heard Eminem. It was downloading MP threes from IRC. Wow. Like before like any of the records were out or anything like that. It was just like you gotta hear this shit bootleg. Tape stuff, or whatever I remember somebody sent me a link to Dave Matthews. FTP Archie or something? No, no. But why are there? All these weird Midi Dave Matthews band files and there were like three MB threes dot mid. Yeah. Like, my my my AMD K six couldn't play them. Oh can play MP three didn't have enough floating point to do. Oh, wow. That's amazing. Yeah. I encoded some MP threes early on and you would leave the over. No. Yeah. Fourteen hours, a CD or just single track was multiple hours of that. You wouldn't think to do as full CD because who had the space you just pick a good one. Yeah. I think I said this John recently that my first three was an MP two. Oh, yeah. A handful of back before. Yeah. I think it was I think from overs first or second Kodak was that was what preceded three I remember getting those huge a sound blaster eight of sixty four Midi files. What fuck is going on fucking mind. Had Gus max, and it was. Oh, yeah. We we got an author to and it was like a foot and a half long card to. But. Yeah, dude. Yes. Hearing hearing wave table sense for the first time was a mind blowing experience. This is music. All those were for that magazine. That was sponsored by creative labs. That CD ROM drive, and that all thirteen just showed up, and I was like cool by then I couldn't get any of it working. It was fucking nightmare to do. Your us. Cody from West Virginia mountain momma with the news of dark Raden being an important factor of order combat eleven's plot. I would just like to remind everyone of ratings mortal combat one ending and he's quoting here. From the scriptures. Yes, readings victory comes as no surprise to him. He was never impressed by Shang soons, inferior sorcery Gora brute force or the challenge of the other contestants. He quickly becomes bored with his mortal competition and soon invites other gods to participate in the contest. The ensuing battles rage on for years. And the war's result in our world. Final destruction damn have nice day in the quote. It says heaven is day in the quote, Cody says fucked rating that guy is a dick sounds like out. Yeah. Wow. Crato says, right? Kill all gods. They can't be trusted them. Yeah. Absolutely. Power. Had though. Yeah. It's the second best had mortal combat. I think. All right. Here's back. Cop hat. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Fucking school people. At all right here. Is that new consul question from Rodney? I'm a firm believer in the next generation of consoles being backwards compatible with current gen games. But how does the licensing and such work with third party publishers doesn't Ubisoft wants to make us by a new copy of their shitty version of tetris again. Or would they hope to just remark it she'd EPS for tetris ultimate on PS five in hopes of reselling it to anyone who didn't already by and loathe it. Well, that's kind of weird example a real specific there's some real history there. Maybe some our grapes here. The hope is that the kind of never stop selling anything. They can even sell the old ones and still make money on that. We're seeing FOX right? Yeah. Purchases. Carryover your disks still do a thing. So I'm just guessing here. But okay. So when the Xbox One they roll out backwards paddle through sixty games like in piecemeal in batches, and my understanding is they are having to make deals with publishers behind the scenes to make that happen. But that's because they're buying those games. That's what I was. Gonna ask is that is that the case because that's my assumption. Because when you put a disc in I don't even know if it's installing any data, if no disk is just pulling the full Xbox One version of it. I end in fact, you know, they've done some weird stuff. Like, I haven't played it yet. I put in final fantasy thirteen when they made that backwards compatible because they did a tone of work to that thing. They rendered all the cut scenes out in a higher resolution. Okay. Because they're nasty grungy three six they were really bad. So yeah, you'd have a little at twelve gig of data when you put the DVD. So yeah, that's what I was gonna say. 'cause on the one the PS two two to three you could just put any previous disk, and they just worked that because it's the original disk, and it's running off this. Why they like the original thing you already bought? Okay. Just continuing to work. The PS two's audio processors PS CPU right and same thing as going forward and the three ending. Ended up taking out some of the PS two stuff. One stuff always worked. Yeah. So if they stick with the general sentence, same architecture and stuff I wonder if that's going to let them do like across the board. It depends on what they do to API's LS and all that they can rewrite it. So it doesn't work. Would like. As work. So this this dovetails with the other new Council Question, I was going to bounce off a you. If it is the same general stuff, should we look for like, a better, performance stuff and PS four games on a PS five, theoretically or I mean, I mean they did that with the PS four pro in the Xbox One. Right. Don't don't all in different ways cases that boost mode Yang mode is clearly labeled as a like just an experimental. Hey, this may cause problems with games turn it off that thing run into like, you know, unless they go into individual work every single game. They can't guarantee full compatibility with old stuff if they try to make it run better. It's probably easier for them to lock profile of of, you know, hey, this level performance, we can guarantee compatibility. That's what they do. When you don't have mood on the old games just drop to the clock speed of the of the original. And I think they turn off that other half of the so that's the sort of thing that they can they can more easily guarantees probably I guess it'll be less work for them. I mean on the other hand. There's a real there's an interesting sales like Microsoft's approach is slower. But it's interesting because like if you put red dead read three sixty red dead in Xbox One x plays a four K made it forte. Yeah. That's that's ran a better frame rate. Yeah. Like, even on the my launch Xbox One playing red dead on the Xbox One had more stable frame rate than three sixteen ever. Yeah. Which is which is cool. I'm if going slower gives them time to make those enhancements that's neat. Much more likely to go back and play old stuff. Like like part of the challenge of games. Now is that we there's infinite fucking games. Like, nobody can even you guys have trouble playing every. And the other thing that I think is still somewhat true. I think Microsoft had some numbers out there that maybe started to put some dents in this. But everyone says they won't backwards compatibility. But people don't actually use it too much. But I think like with Microsoft is the way they chose specific aims. They seem to choose the ones that would likely to have players around them. A lot of cases not every case. But you know, like, hey, this is the popular call of duty that you might wanna come back to hey, red dead. How about that? Or like I played a lot of played a lot of up in Yatta with my kid. That's that's been really fun thing to do together. And there's nothing else like that out there. Right. Right. That exists with those high profile games. It gives them a chance to tell a good story. Like it happened with red dead when it came out. Hey, this you can play this before K. I read the digital foundry breakdown of the final thirteen port, which I don't know if you remember way back when we got three sixty and I for that game. And I played a bunch of hours of it. And it was so awful. That I wished his three in started over like the performance was terrible. The videos were at like five seventy six P or something like that was everybody. Cram them on the DVD's. We Ray performance was way worse like it was just a disaster. And now they said this is the definitive version of the game like running on an x it gets more cave. And it's close to it. These videos out they look fantastic. Like, it's not the most beloved game ever. But now they can say, hey, we have the best version of this game. Which is. Theoretically, these are gonna just beat the x twelve equivalent AP us, running whatever API's Sony. Does there shouldn't open jail. I guess and probably Vulcan at this point. And then the Xbox's directs twelve and whatever their direct direct metal API as which is based on Volkan. I think. Yeah. I mean, there's no reason chick Hammy forwards compatible or backwards compatible. I think that's what people would like, and it makes sense for them to do it in a way, that's more manageable. So that they don't have to have a team of people working out at Microsoft. Now, if they just kind of say, hey, this is the base line works go. We'll keep adding new three sixty games, but everything Xbox One forward work, right? Yeah. Couple more emails were quick. I would actually be kinda cool is if you know, like, hey, let's end this conversation now and go out of your way to actually just kind of make some of that older stuff work. Yeah. At least on the Sony side because Microsoft's has chosen their path. If somebody's actually the next PlayStation, we'll have the hardware, and it to do this the way it was done originally. Fuck it if. Yeah. Can you imagine EPS five comes out that might get tough up through PS three? But if they said like any PS wanted disk you own you can just stick in this thing and play. Be huge Sony's classically been very like their statements around backwards compatibility make it sound like they don't like they're the ones out there saying we don't understand. Why people like no one actually uses this stuff? They were the ones that kind of made it a thing. Yeah. But it seemed accidental really twenty six hundred games on a seventy eight hundred. Well, yeah, there were the first, but then kind of in the modern disk based era we use and we they didn't do sure. Sure. Nate from Tacoma, Washington. The resident evil two remakes in the credit song is a hilariously lame late nineties post grunge rock song that the team at Capcom wrote specifically to capture the feeling of nineteen ninety eight year. The game is set in. What are your favorite examples of steps developers have taken to properly capture in era or time period in the game? Oh, man. John. I was just about to say the first thing they came on the fake super NS games and gone home. That are super accurately tapes set mix find. Yeah. Yeah. That stuff really jumped out to me when I read this Email also the right age. Yes for that stuff to resonate. But yeah, I think we are slowly aging out of being in the window of the stallion being marketed aggressively to us Connectix four the price of USD end sixty four stuff is going back up. Yeah. So those kids are kids are finding there and they're still wrong, sixty four still bad. Look, man. Donkey Kong sixty four still fine game. No. What else trying to gone home is like the main thing that jumped out at me stealing. Yeah. One of the most recent. She. What about I don't know that I have anything? But about like heavy like, David David cage games kind of have that like they they don't go out of their way. But like heavy rain very much like feels like Seattle in the nineties early two thousand I guess to me that infamous game, though, sense Seattle. I thought did a pretty good between was that was second son. Yeah. But they did a pretty decent Seattle. Vice city crazy tax. Fuck vice city, man. I don't like vice city. Really? Yeah. I don't like it's it's all the it's so much busy work. You don't have any fun. I'm going to say it's amazing game. But I think like in terms of like capturing version of a version of that era. I think they did pretty good and making the their eighties thing. But it's a little too clean as perfect in some ways. It's a little too Miami. Vice? Yeah. And not like what it really was. But I think that works. Yeah. What about like a saints row? Saints row two maybe. LA always felt like all over the place Armageddon. Saw that was in the re ah. Or even four. Yes. For those opening four, and I assume they did some stand Bush at some point as the touch is at the end of their. Yep. So yes, of course. One more Email. All right. How about? This one Tim in Brisbane, Australia parts, three has become a stark reminder in my life that I'm no longer a kid. I'm finding it hard to remember what made me fall in love with this franchise when I was thirteen. What? Interesting. But I like it. Okay. Yeah. What beloved childhood franchises? Have you guys grown to hate with age, sonic, the hedgehog? And let's that's yes. That's the prototypical answer. I was gonna say that I always disliked sonic. But no I like to notice. One. It was a big when that thing experience to hey, tapped as to with no, they added tales interlaced multiplayer mode. Like, there was crazy shit to Sandra. I've never played Springhill zone on both of those and then like bounced played more NHL ninety four. What if I had my Janice hell of a game? I tell myself that I still like, Alex Kidd, even though everybody else seems to know those games were never good. But what I'm with you? I'm with you. But those games were never good. Play the shit out of that game or some of those games out of necessity, a Homebrew, Alex Kidd in miracle world to what MO that someone put together that if you like Alex Kidd in miracle world, I only played the Genesis game. Okay. Then I can't help you ever played the master systems to game might actually a little better. I was kidding. Meanwhile, unrelated to video games, but I used to really like family matters as a kid looking at it. Now verticals terrible. He stole that show from the Winslow family true. It's called family matters. And then it becomes about a guy part of the family, the catchphrase guy. Yeah. Well, if we're gonna go non gaming. The WWE. Close. Right. It does. Yeah. I don't one hundred percent mean that, but and I really loved transformers and that has not aged. Well, wait. Well, no, which aspect of Jenn won the regional still good TV. They did sense. TV stuff is TV stuff is horrid to look really terribly animated fourteen frames a second. I used to watch mass talk about like cartoon fucking sour in that. I used to watch mask of religious how much impasse the intro now like the Andrews. But how much of each episode of mask is just reused putting on the helmet. It's the dude fucking rolling out on the creeper under the car to go. I gotta go my watch. That's like. That's like that's the whole a segment of the show. The the funny thing about those old Hasbro shows is that is that the one that age. Well, like GI Joe has some good episodes. I haven't watched it. But I could see ships in it. But that's those are the ones that held up is really. Mental breakdown with the Synthroid and stuff like the whole fake, Springfield thing. Head toward the adult set of episodes of that show. Yeah. Yeah. The center stuff's good. It's okay. Yeah. The. Transformers movie for made distance absolutely still holds up just for its awed acidy and weirdness. Like that thing is bizarre credible for all the stuff before it too. When you think about what transforms is going into the movie and all the junkie on and Eric idle having having an endorser. Yeah. Having an adult perspective on that movie, and realizing that basically eats with like an crafty in elder planet, God eating another planet like it's fucking bazaar. Up-close like, the editing and stuff it it feels a little good. It's feels a little slapdash spots just the fit and finish on that thing. But the the weirdness of the designs and places that story went so pissed when they killed on my toys, right? That was the idea. I know that was the mandate pissed that a lot of the new toys looked bad. Yeah. Yes. All the cups. Legs look back as a toy. I ever saw. The character is great. I traded my ratchet for a Cup, and I was trolling. Ratchet toys were weird. They didn't look like they did in the cartoons. Weird wasn't great. You put a sticker with the smiley face on it on the chair of the fuck van because it was like as weird term came from at least the legs together pretty ratchet. I mean now you can pay like one hundred and fifty dollars for a super duper realistic Jin one sound way of Optimus prime the transforms like you think should play tapes to sound way. Play. The problem doesn't play the tapes, but it doesn't play real tapes. But it's still there are still they're still tapes by the mall, you're still being pandered to four. They stop caring about making money off of you. At this point. I'm a lost. Now. They're gonna keep going. Don't new version of sound wave next year that's gonna floss and you're gonna love it. Dude. Fussing they year olds of lost around eight year olds. They mock you what? Anymore? Does it already out? Oh, what's it like dabbing? It's back the second round of they're they're using non licensed dances. Now. That's the ones that are called should. I mean, they're all non licensed chances. But now, they're dances. They made up rather than they stole open source move. So it's a, you know, they're pushing new business heart good taking back streets. I mean, look where dances always came from. Stuff them settled legally like who owns the flaws still up in the air. I think that's still like isn't epic being sued by like four parties. Yeah. Speed about philosophy a friend of mine, actually, the guy that owns about still want to a Super Bowl party in Atlanta where there was a backpack kid with Gaffey Aries right behind guy Fieri right behind him as backpack kid was floating in front of an audience and. Silently just watching him from backstage. That's I look that's an interesting Tableau. Yeah. Yeah. Here takes seems. Okay. An okay. Yeah. The I think the guy Fieri redemption ark is well underway at this point. After after a lot of the charity stuff. He does start people Santa Rosa's burnin, and he's up there with restaurants open giving away free food Gingell fucking burning down. I mean, he's still kind of Dushi guy. But whatever seems okay. Who isn't? Yeah. I mean, we've all had frosted tips at some point, or at least he looks like you do she thinking about bringing them back. You should do. It's time. Limit right choice. Stop. You know, you can. Okay. Yeah. Fun with she's the person. I turned to say do I look presentable enough to go outside and presently. She often says, yes. If you can't get an honest answer on that from your from your special special lady friend than where where you're going to get them. Yes. Indeed. All right. That's gonna do it for emails Will Smith. Thank you for stopping by. Thanks for having me. You'll always fun battle royale expertise. Unspeakable number of hours any food business. You fill on stream and business. Play video game sometimes on twitch channel, which is just not that Will Smith. Find me on Twitter, whatever I don't know. New cartoons. Hopefully, I can talk about maybe next time around. Excellent. All right guessing, no after show with with Ben Ben out onto the whether we're going to we're going to not do the after show this week punt, and yeah. Oh, you went to get those voicemails in seven seven exit flu and check it out next week. That's where that came from. Okay. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. All right. 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