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"dave schilling" Discussed on Good One: A Podcast About Jokes

Good One: A Podcast About Jokes

08:22 min | Last month

"dave schilling" Discussed on Good One: A Podcast About Jokes

"Is one. There's a monocultural idea of new york. Which is like it's worth these. Jews live and talk to that also breaking down as new york gets more diverse but also like these as television becomes more fractured. You get depictions of new york. That are much smaller that when they are depicted in new york they are not being like. This is what new york looks like. I think like brought city did an episode about a street. And there's this street is the street will live on and girls is very much like this brooklyn. We don't and even like aquafina. I think is more about queens. Like i think the assumption the sort of seinfeld ian confidence to be like. We're gonna make a show about new york city but it's only going to be about people within four blocks the one side each other. I can't imagine someone doing that. I think what you're saying speaks to the insular nature of the show. The show is about characters who live in the same neighborhood in the same four block radius and do the same things every week. I thought they made up the idea of kramer gain loss at the corner. Second and second. I was like there's no city in the world that will be to into that doesn't make sense to me when i found out that that's how new york works. I was very confused. Yeah the idea of avenues and streets and in queens. They've got like numbers. And then a dash and then more numbers. What is this. There are too many numbers that the subways are numbered. The they've got letters to pick. Wine stopped is streets. Avenues what are you gonna do. I don't know let's have both Both in numbers numbers before this becomes just new york brazelle. A it is a grid system. That is incredibly intuitive. But i understand l. a. has like four streets go the tire way and then everything's off of it. Well i think everybody hates where they live. that's that's just a fact and seinfeld is about hating the place relive and there is a sense of purgatory to it. Which is again. i think reinforcing what. I'm what i'm trying to say about. The show is that you feel trapped. When you're watching seinfeld. I think purgatory is exactly it. Liked me this show least jerry's version of the show is. This is waiting for godot. These people are stock reliving the same conversations about nothing. It's not a show where it's a show about nothing nothing happens. There's the idea of jerry. Put a picture of the earth. Seen from space in the raiders room to explain to people. This doesn't matter what we're doing is just. This is just our lot and then we're going to be dead in one hundred years or whatever. No one's gonna care about this. Yeah larry's show everyone gets in each other's way and it's like these complicated plots. Jerry doesn't care about the complicated Jerry just wants these people have nothing happened to them that they go through all these journeys in the exact same spot. It's like to me. It's like the chinese restaurant. Episode is like a a further distillation of the show of just like there's no plot like literally it's them waiting for their table and even when their table is called. It's the raw like that sort of complete meaninglessness. I think is captured. This sort of like dark as part of the shell. We're all trapped on the same rock sort of thing. So isn't that and funny that we're all stuck together in our own form of predatory which is life by bringing larry. I want to talk about our last question. Which is if this jerry's world and jerry's experience filtered through these characters. What's larry david's role here. Because larry david famously leaves after season. Seven doesn't come back until the finale which people hate it. it's still reviled in famously. Became the subject of the curb. Your enthusiasm seinfeld reunion season. Larry goes on to great success. Doing curb becomes a star in his own right. And you see serious differences between these two shows or similarities. Obviously but curb is just a meaner. I think it has more contempt for its characters than seinfeld ever did. So what did larry bring to the show and how to. How do we reconcile this kind of theory. The grand theory of seinfeld with the fact that it is not an autour vision it is a collaborative vision between two similar but different men. The show got written very differently than almost every sitcom ever which essentially writers pitched an idea. They wrote a full script than they gave it to. Larry and jerry and the no. No one knows what happens. They just like fully put whatever their spin on it. But if you look at what happens. When larry leaves all the plotting becomes much similar in much broader and like much bit focused. There's not these things where it all comes together and crashes together. It's like the bizarro world thing bizarro. Jerry where it's like this is like barely set in a real world. This is just a conceit. Sounds like a sketch you have to remember. The show's called seinfeld. It seinfeld show. They're doing the show. Because of jerry seinfeld then jerry brings larry in and he's almost like it's like jerry's the god of this world then larry is like the facilitator of this world and he's moving the pieces around he's wormtongue from lord of the rigs so i think larry is the person who's like it's funny to call him humanistic because obviously the show so anti feelings but he cares about human scale problems any moves people around and there's more plots about dating and like people angrier and i think that's the larry thing of how can people get in each other's way right and i think jerry people have no relationship to him. He's like completely on his world. he's he's not interacting with them. And i think larry is the clashing of different egos and and seeing how could do it and how it all relates. I think. I don't think jerry cares as much about this sort of that. The thing that even kerber susie as ending that perfect thing where the plod plod in everything comes together and it's like one thing. I don't know if they did that as much when the mario left. Yeah it was more like you said idea. Based in very sketchy Because it's not necessarily about how annoying it is to be around other people. It's about how ridiculous the world is. And i guess. That's these are two separate coping mechanisms for for life which is either nothing matters. Everything matters so much. I am going to like. Take this rock and precedent to a diamond. Just because i'm so mad there's a bit of a trying to attain zen in jerry's life that every everything gets in the way of that but there is something very much where he's always trying to find some kind of peace and i think finding humor which is also like a very kind of like a buddhist mentality is finding the humor. Am these small irritations. Maybe that's my galaxy bringing take on the whole thing. Is that as that like. The world is keeping jerry from attaining supremacy in a. jerry's been meditating disease like eighteen. or there's a feeling of like he's trying to meditate and then these people keep on interrupting his yes very Los angeles attitude trying to find peace and being it being impossible even though you should be able to. There's all kinds of other things happening around you. Whereas i think larry's mentality is more. What i associate with new york which is this is pissing me off. I'm mad and i. I'm really comfortable being nad and where i am. Most useful to the world isn't expressing my anger. The culture of new york is just people in different accents screaming at each other. I can't think of a more new york person than jesse david fox our guest today so much for joining us to talk about seinfeld they feel like we really broke it down and figured it out. I think we solved it. Resolves that we crack the nut. If you're listening to this good podcast feed you know. Listen to our show but if you're listening to it on the guys you bring feed. Well listen to jesse show more. This is what it's all about isn't this is the l. a. In us coming out. Hey just like support your friends. it'd be nice to each other as a new yorker. I say you have to pick one room for two podcasts. Only room for one. All right jesse. Go away now. Each week we wrap up the show with the galaxy brain take from one of our.

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"dave schilling" Discussed on Good One: A Podcast About Jokes

Good One: A Podcast About Jokes

02:02 min | Last month

"dave schilling" Discussed on Good One: A Podcast About Jokes

"What would jerry do. What would a lane do. What would be a funny position for them to be in. And i think that's because the greatest sitcoms and especially seinfeld or all about what's going on in your head. I honestly think seinfeld in a lot of ways is just four characters having a conversation. That is what jerry would have himself like. It's his internal monologue expressed through four people in some ways. That hear me out. Jona seinfeld is essentially a hallucination of jerry seinfeld well hold on wait okay. Sorry you seriously think. Seinfeld is a hallucination. How often do you see jerry's bedroom or bathroom. Where all of these characters magically rhonda's apartment in the first place the way people move and react in sitcoms is unnatural but seinfeld awesome calls attention to its artificiality season. Four's meta arc in the cupboard. Union are especially telling examples of this but seinfeld has tons of stories that take place outside of jerry's apartment. There's monks elaine's office Yankee stadium kramer's apartment. I mean they even go to india and one episode. Yes yes. I get that. But what i'm saying is the show was an expression of jerry's various personalities. Even if larry david was co-creator these characters the slovenly buffoon the mucci neighbor in the focused careerist yearning for healthy relationship. Are all basically just reflections of the man. Jerry seinfeld these characters could barely stand each other. Have very little in common and yet they're all drawn to each other in severely unhealthy ways. Why are they stuck together. Jona because in every single episode jerry seinfeld is essentially talking to himself. Oh my you turned into a beautiful angel known you pissed on the couch. You're just feed your polls. Oh i'll just flip the cushion. It's fine.

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"dave schilling" Discussed on Good One: A Podcast About Jokes

Good One: A Podcast About Jokes

02:24 min | Last month

"dave schilling" Discussed on Good One: A Podcast About Jokes

"Meta fictional version. Of jerry's life told through the trappings of a traditional multi. Camera sitcom what made seinfeld so unique at the time was that it didn't treat in the usual sick. I'm troves while still being an amazing on. It wasn't about a family or set in a workplace. In fact the only time we ever saw jerry at work and most episodes was the cold open where he'd be on stage on joke that was loosely connected to the plot for that week's show as writers would go on to admit during the incredibly medicine for arc about jerry and his best friend george. Creating sitcom seinfeld was about nothing. It was four people. Only nominally friends getting involved in hijinks. It usually stemmed from their social ineptitude selfishness and inability to express themselves. Honestly ensure these people sucked. They were decks. Which is why larry. David's polarizing final episode of the series saw jerry. George elaine and kramer put on trial and sent to prison for violating a good samaritan law. Well audience in the ninety s adore these characters and obsess over there outrageous narcissistic behavior. Larry saw them is contemptuous and felt that they simply had to be punished. That's pretty weird. Considering all four main characters on seinfeld were based on real people one of them. Jerry seinfeld is playing a fictional version of himself. Seinfeld is a perfectly written. Expertly plotted sitcom with dozens of memorable episodes. But is it also a terrifying vision of one man splintered identity. Let's dive into the existential muck in another edition of critical raise. What is your favorite episode of seinfeld. You know it's funny. I i. I was trying to think that when. I knew we were doing this episode. You know i think of seinfeld and moments more than i do of episodes and because it does feel like you know sketch show in that way and some of them are as simple as say. The frogger episode. All it really is is moved. That georgia's and i think this move a lot where he can't push the frogger out of the dividend the road and then he like puts his hand up like his last his last shot at lake trying to stop the truck from coming destroying the frogger is to put his hand up and try and stop the truck with his hand and then like dodging the way george they closed up a one nine outside.

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"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

The Bechdel Cast

02:15 min | 4 months ago

"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

"I have seen it on super yucky and i am getting ready to buy it out. Go for it Well dave thank you so much for being here if you can follow us on social media At spectacle cast on twitter and instagram. We've got a patriotic aka. matron to subscribe to. It's five dollars a month and it gets you access to two bonus episodes every single month plus access to the entire back catalog and you can grab some merch over at public dot com slash facto. Cast gets a masks if you're still getting mascot. Some t shirts if you're still wearing shirts live your life and not my business And signing off on my gosh good night and good luck. More at eleven bench ended. Hey jamie from the buffalo. Cast here letting you know that here at dsw. We're getting back to our regularly scheduled program living your best. Life is time to head back to brunch with friends back to spontaneous. Happy hours back to wedding season back to well. Everything whatever's filling your calendar. We've got you covered with must have shoes from your favorite brands. Get that instant mood. Boost with styles from adidas birkenstock reebok and more shot the latest trends at that just right price at dsw dot com or at a dsw store near you sleep. It's an act we all do. And yet the divergences in how we do it can be vast and telling for something that seems simple on the surface. Sleep is complicated. I'm mulling arou- i'm a writer and i'm fascinated by things that might seem small. But aren't one of my fascinations is sleep. And now i'm planning to explore this nebulous world beyond what we've heard before we'll talk to scholars scientists and people like you and me to shed some light on an act. A lot of us are in the dark out from head space studios and spoke media. This is hibernation coming. This june.

"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

The Bechdel Cast

04:43 min | 4 months ago

"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

"So the nipple scale is our scale of zero to five nipples based on examination of intersectional. Feminism as it applies to the movie. Or how the movie fairs looking at it through that particular lens as we've discussed. This is a challenging movie. This is a complex movie. This is a very interesting movie that tackles a lot of things that explorers characters and develops them in such a way that they are far more just like complex and interesting than your average romantic comedy drama deed narrative and like jane especially the way that she's depicted the way in which the toxicity that the men are displaying. The way that all these characters in these situations are being commented on. I mean there's a lot happening How effective it is you know. It was the eighties. Certain things get overlooked but other things like the commentaries very clear and present and interesting. And i'm just stalling. Because i have no fucking a number many nipple a don't i give it. Yeah i may be sort of like a split down the middle so maybe a two point five nipple situation. I wish wish. I don't know i don't even know what i wish for this movie or for movies like it. I wish we could all kick william hurt in the face. How about that. I want to kick him. I've seen these give him a big old wedge. Thank you for that context of him too. Because i did not. Yeah i area upsetting came upon that in my research a link to there's an article that polls quotes from marlee matt lind's memoir marlee matlin. Who rock yeah in which she details the nature of her relationship with william hurt which sounds like it was extremely emotionally physically and sexually abusive. So fuck hurt his character. The character of erin. Everyone just needs to go to therapy. Yeah i'm gonna. I'm gonna give it to you and a half as well like this is like a really a really. I think the movie is really great. And i like every time i watch it. I get something new out of it. That didn't get before i think. In terms of commentary on women it's pretty limited just based on the setting that were being put in. We're really only getting to know a single woman who is very complex but also very ethically complex and You know i. I'm not like saying that. Every female character needs to be a role model. That's an unnecessary thing. That's pushed on a character that's marginalized in any way of all of a sudden they have to be a role model for fucking everybody and that's not true but jane is ultimately a girl boss. Who's in it for herself. Like i don't think we're getting a ton of. I think that we do get some really valuable insight into the ways that she has to suppress her self in. She has to suppress her own emotion. Cheese under a lot of pressure. There is a lot of pressure for her specifically to succeed if she fails. It indicates something larger to this industry than an individual failure. Like i think that that all comes across in the fact that like you like you mentioned earlier dave the men around her are vampires who I think it is an interesting look at a character that has been somewhat liberated by the feminist movement. As a you know upwardly mobile white woman you know. She has been liberated to an extent but there are still all these asterisks associated with her being able to function in the space. She's still going to be treated like a mother. She's still going to be you know if she's valued for her intelligence at that is at the sacrifice of something else and they're still a lot of stuff at play there and she. She shouldn't have done that to jennifer like there was an opportunity to explore the relationships between women in the workplace. Like this. that didn't end up happening in favor of this love tranquilly bizarre anez like there's just room for more but i i do think that what is explored holds up. Maybe a way. That's kind of unfortunate. That is like oh maybe not you know maybe james brooks hope that more would be different by now..

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"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

The Bechdel Cast

02:41 min | 4 months ago

"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

"It's still about yourself and self interest. Yeah not enough not to take the promotion. She's very nice to the people who are laid off but she's still takes the promotional. You know in the same way like jack. Nicholson when everyone's laid off. He's the clearest village where they're you know they're like well you want to shave a million off of your salary. And he gets like he's like he's he starts. Hissing and spitting. And then paul is like. I'm so sorry. That was the worst joke. I've ever made a joke i made. I would never that is why was not being serious. It was very much a joke. And then jack nicholson goes. But then it's like. But tom and jane are very involved in this too. Where they you know. They're they're nice people who were laid off but they take their promotion and they're going to go on vacation about it like I got a clear my head. Oh boy that's hard firm. I have a job so hard. I'd better go to wherever they're going to go about it like you know. If you're if you put yourself in the in the shoes of joan cusack who just got laid off. You'd be like fuck you. You're going on vacation for. What do that between Junkie second and Jane where she's like except for socially you're my role model which i think passes the bechtel test. I think that's the closest we get. Wow that's that's something right that's something funny pad like they didn't want to talk about the the actual story that i think is like you know i feel. There's this little ambiguity of like okay. So tom is self aware that he doesn't know what his job is. But how far is he willing to go as he just gonna fail upwards passively or actively fail upwards and the moment where he the. The story he chooses is particularly at again. It's just like this like such an ambiguous thing or it was for me when i put my one thousand nine hundred eighty seven goggles on. Because he does a story on date rape which in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven was barely term. That existed was not a popular discussion and at that time would have been a risky broadcast. And i think that is reflected in the way that it's received especially by air. It was like this isn't news bowl. But i don't think that that is like as despicable as reaction. It as it was. I don't think it would have been an uncommon one At the time visit the salt to nuclear disarmament talks. Who cares right that was. That's the aaron altman attitude about the news and to nixon. Jane's attitude about the news..

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"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

The Bechdel Cast

02:12 min | 4 months ago

"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

"Tom isn't wrong in that. Like tom does is kind of the antithesis of what jane claims to stand for but she thinks that maybe she could get an area of her life. I felt that she hasn't had fulfilled in a long time through him. And so she's getting to the point where she's like well. Maybe i can overlook the ethics of it and aaron does bring her back to earth in his like. Are you sure you can see overlook the ethics of it and it's just so like everyone in this situation sucks and is making a huge compromise of their morals. And i hate that aaron. That makes a good point. But i do think he. He makes a really good point. They're like he's simply not wrong. In that case. I almost wish that it had been her to like. Put the pieces of the puzzle together and figure it out on her own. That sure tom had like brought only one camera and that he must have staged. And like yeah. I don't i feel like The fact that it's aaron doing out of spite and rage and selfishness is it take some of the the thrill of victory away But i wonder if you know that was the point is. Is you know jane. So lost in her fantasy of who. Tom is or could be that. She can't see so it has to be someone else but it has to be someone acting in self interest as opposed to someone who really cares because none of them really care. All of them are self interested right the end of the day. None of them are truly altruistic in their behavior at all. There is no truly good person in this movie. Everyone just wants love or approval or acclaim or esteem. nobody is thinking about. How can i help someone else. I guess on some level there is some altruism from jane in regards to her her co workers a little bit put out really or aaron choosing to leave instead of sticking around so somebody could keep their job. Maybe but not really..

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"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

The Bechdel Cast

03:45 min | 4 months ago

"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

"Differs kinda cool. She's cool. He's a very chill lady and she just kind of like yams living my life. Whatever tom skew. There's a scene where. I felt bad for jennifer too. I think it's pretty early on where all the reporters at the station are kind of like asking each other ethics questions where they're like. Oh would you tell a source you love them to get information out of them and they were all like yup. Of course i would. And then when when like jennifer confirms that she would. Aaron is like yeah jennifer. Didn't know that there was any other option is if to be like well jennifer. What a floozy. She's out there Loving in having sex with all of her sources i do. I do wonder if there was like i in my okay to thing like i wonder if there was some sort of deleted scene where this is address because it does seem like jennifer is pretty like heavily setup character to completely disappear with a throw a joke. It does feel kind of bizarre to me given the rest of the characters in this movie. Nothing else for jennifer. She is long gone to alaska. That is the end of jennifer. I liked the scene. I liked the other one of her moments. Where after she and tom do hookup. Tom notices that. She has a spare room in her apartment. Maybe that is like four. Her clothes and jennifer gets defensive before he even says anything. And it's like. Oh well. I had that extra space and you know i it. It felt kind of you know however you feel about it like commentary on how female news anchors have a higher pressure to look a certain way than their male counterparts to the point where she felt the need to like get ahead of his potential criticism and that was like another like pretty thoughtful moment. I thought and then she just she just disappears. I hope that she wins. A pulitzer and alaska. That's my head can fern. She catches the serial killer. They make an incredible docu series about it and jane is kicking her something. Yeah i mean. I think this is like you said dreaming of a very tricky movie because it isn't cleanly moralistic it isn't cleanly one side or the other is very messy with the perspective and i think that that is one as we all pointed out of fault of the fact that it came out of nine hundred ninety seven but also. I think it's because this is a movie that is conflicted about its own subject. Matter it's conflicted about the idea of the news and whether or not the news is good as it is portrayed in the world There's that whole sequence when they're in the Involved in the the war. I don't even remember what nicaragua nicaragua. Okay glad that they actually had a country instead of just like we're in a war zone and there are people that don't speak english It's it's played not for laughs necessarily but they are oddly. Not engaged with anything. They're kind of detached from the fact that they're in a war zone. There are people in opportunistic. It is not empathetic. it is not oh my goodness this is. This is a situation where people's lives are being lost. There's political upheaval. And you know who signs on. Why is this happening. It's just here's the thing that happened in. Can we get a shot of the boots. Okay guy boots great. Nobody got shot okay. Wonderful it's very matter of fact..

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"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

The Bechdel Cast

01:45 min | 4 months ago

"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

"Nobody because jane was jane was being an asshole. And like that is one of the things that for me watching. Twenty twenty one. I was like oh. Jane can be a real like you know. Really weaponized insecurities against other people. I mean especially because she gets on her high horse about ethics in reporting lose. And then she's she makes this choice too because she had the choice between a character named george who we also talk about and jennifer as the person who they're gonna send to alaska to report on some alaskan serial killer and without a moment's hesitation the second jane. Here's jennifer's name as an option she's like jennifer jennifer and it's because she's trying to get rid of her so that she can move in on tom. Who by the way had called his the reason that jane was like yeah jennifer. You can go after him. I don't care is because thomas to her in he's like you look so pretty in clean because normally at the office you have this gross layer of film on you. It's so it's so frustrating. Yeah 'cause it's like i think. I hope that we're supposed to you know that's supposed to be like audience. Wise a strike against jane and clearly like you know she she's like you're saying caitlyn constantly on her horse about ethics but then in practice her record is spotty or then she'd liked to admit but most frustrating thing is if jane had just been straightforward and ben like no. I'm interested in tom. Like i would appreciate if you didn't hook up with him. It sounds like jennifer would have been like okay and moved on with her life. It's never would have been a problem..

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"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

The Bechdel Cast

03:11 min | 4 months ago

"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

"Yeah that was. Maybe her first movie but i mean she has done no favours in this film. She is there specifically to be derided and to be an obstacle of a sort for jane. And i think they have one conversation and this is i guess getting ahead of ourselves about the the bekdil tests but they have one conversation and i believe it is specifically about and there is nothing else going on there. They don't have any rapport related to their unique position in a broadcast network. Newsroom in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven. They don't talk about their own hopes and dreams. They don't talk about Struggles that they have or the the conflicts they have. It is just about tom. And i mean she is played for For comic relief the entire time. And we're supposed to be so amused by the fact that she is banished to alaska. Which i feel bad. I feel bad for her. She just say. Tom was cute. What did to hook up with. Tom did these. Like i like jennifer. Jennifer is I wished that she's been written out more. And i wish that jane had been taken to task more for doing what she did. Because she derailed jennifer's life and career. Entirely where i thought it was like i thought i mean i don't know i'm killing interested in your opinion on this as well but like when when jennifer goes up to jane at whatever that news harder and is like hey. I'm interested in tom. Like i wasn't sure if there's something going on with you i just wanted to check in. I was like wow. that's like. She didn't technically have to do that. They weren't friends. It was like i was like. Oh that's that's what a what a nice person does Or if not conflict averse. I could really with it fishes. She was just like hey. I'm interested in tom. Is there anything going on. And then she gets a feeling for jane that oh jane is interested and she's like okay fine then of all back off fine and then jane is the one who acts like you know just bizarre about it and it's like oh no go fucking right now kind of like she's just immature about it and jennifer is like okay. Yeah and then. She's punished for like it's. It's not cool. Like jane is written to be cool and so the fact that she is like so unceremoniously written out as a punchline rather than like it would have been like another interesting thing. That could have happened is like and again. I'm just like yeah. Tell james brooks what i think. He should have done thirty years ago. But like you know there are other. Maybe there's another person in the at the station would have been pissed off jennifer's behalf for the fact that she was clearly banished to alaska like jennifer. Have any friends that we're gonna stick up for her. Why is no one mad about this..

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"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

The Bechdel Cast

04:44 min | 4 months ago

"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

"She deserved but then i can also see it as like well what we're very intelligent. Highly motivated women in the workplace at this time actually getting and what does this move your reflective that and i don't know yeah i it's it's really three in tough and i mean i. I like that this movie kind of engages with that but it is like. It's a bummer. I like i feel like it is kind of cool choice to at the end. Add the flourish of like. Maybe this is going to be the relationship that works for her and maybe she is on the brink of having it all because she had to deal with all this bullshit and got her career in line and rejected these two assholes and moved on with her life. But but we don't know yeah i. I've always liked the kind of ellipse elliptical nature of it were kind of leaves you wondering. I hope she gets what she wants. But you don't know because she's still herself and she still has grappling with these. Things has hasn't had the complete like revelation. Oh this is how. I solved the problem because none of us really ever do. That's the thing that i think separates great films from very good films. The acceptance of the fact that most of us will never solve the one big problem in our lives. Because it's hard that's work. That never ends were were constantly trying to perfect ourselves in. Perfection is impossible. It is worth noting that the year after this movie came out. Nineteen eighty eight. That was the year of working girl. Directed by mike nichols starring melanie griffith. Here's fort weaver and that movie. In contrast to this one is about where we're a jane is kind of you know I think always destined for success. Upper class kind of person lauded for her intelligence meli griffith's character in that movie is considered lower class doesn't belong on wall street which is certainly a less morally upright profession than broadcast news at that time. Neither are great. But that one's definitely you know. Wall street workers the worst of them. All yeah like yeah on the list at least you know they were trying to tell the truth on some level but not really Melanie griffith gets everything she wants. The end she gets the corner office. She gets all the fancy clothes. She gets harrison ford at the end even though harrison ford in. That movie is kind of jerk. You sucks yeah exactly but like that was the inverse of this and i. I like br working girl. Because it's funny. It's kind of like an amusing fairytale but of the to broadcast. News is far superior to me because it does paint. The realistic picture of human beings constantly stepping on themselves trying to succeed and trying to be better people in failing miserably. And that's how. I feel as a human being all the time. Yeah and it's like. I think like and that's part of why it's like a tough pill to swallow but it's like this. This movie doesn't present itself as the for the bizarro. Like reagan era fairytale. That working girl does and you can listen to the episode about working girl on on the patriotic john that we did. I think a year and a half ago years ago. Who knows when that was we've covered at. But but yeah i agree that like. I think that this movie has endured more. And it's partially for those reasons like i. I don't know it's i. i like the. Jane's ending is pretty ambiguous and like opens up this kind of discussion. It's cool to have these discussions and you know how the discussion of a woman's career in eighty seven would be different than now hopefully in some ways and it does seem like a cool. I don't know just like marker of where things were especially because and again. I don't want to give james burke too much credit here. But he was he was engaging with very popular female characters who were in the workplace For like fifteen years before this movie came out and he he or over fifteen years where he was working in the mary. Tyler moore show which was like a huge component of second wave feminist entertainment where it was like a huge deal that a career woman was being centered in any way regardless of what she was doing even in and now it seems like piddly nothing..

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"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

The Bechdel Cast

04:47 min | 4 months ago

"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

"The process of actually making this is not to just make it up. Poll cloth which is i think how a lot of male writers and directors will approach a woman story and this is ultimately. jane's story. he looks at it. It seemed like he looked at it more from a journalistic standpoint and said i need to bring some various military tude to a story that i have some understanding of but not the full picture. I'm all for male raiders. Doing their homework like it's just. It's a breath of fresh air. It's really nice. Yeah let's talk about jane. Jane sweet jane she. I mean some just pretty obvious stuff here. She is extremely competent at her job. We see this constantly. Which is something that i feel like in a lot of movies. That sent her a female character. Female protagonist even. That is good at her job. We are mostly only like told this or like other characters. Talk about how good she is it her job but we don't actually see any visual evidence of this so the fact that we constantly see her working and see the ways in which she is good at her job again bare minimum stuff here but You know it's it's worth noting that that's a very important aspect of her character. We see her be appreciated for the work that she's doing we see her being valued and recognized. There's one scene where the president of the is it the network president or i think the head of the network news the network news division because this is a broadcast network. This is this is like an ab major. Yeah right right right right as opposed so like today. Twenty four hour news channels and stuff Right so their boss. Paul is observing her working. There's a scene where she's like screaming into the phone at someone about like a parking issue. She does a body. Shame someone during that so we don't love that but she's like getting the job done and paul says something like i had no idea. She was this good and then that leads to her eventually. Getting like a major promotion so even though it's perhaps not always the most realistic thing especially for a woman in the eighties to be like really acknowledged for the hard work. They're putting in and being rewarded for it. Because i mean again looking polly platt and how often she was overlooked. It's not uncommon for women especially of that era to do amazing work and never get any recognition or acknowledgment for it but on the other hand to see that onscreen as an example of something that can happen and should happen was just really cool to see so. I appreciate that aspect of her character. The other kind of major thing about her is that she's looking for love in all the wrong place tess. Yeah yeah. I think i think there's a little bit of the well. This is who is. Who is the closest person to me. And i think that that's probably true of a lot of people in in a variety of different fields. But especially in these kinds of high stress. High impact jobs You look for someone who understands your plate who understand why you're freaking out and you're unhappy bursting into tears once a day every day exactly. Yeah right so she looks for these people who are going to fulfill her but boy you know. These are not the best options. But they're the only options i wanted and this is so i mean it's like so upper middle white issues that that everyone in this movies having if not just like full-blown rich person shit going on but i'm like we gotta get jane on araya like we gotta we gotta get jane like some. We gotta get her on a on a dating platform. She needs to date. So what outside of this industry who understands high stress environments but not the one that she's in every day i was like. Oh let's let's get. Let's get jane into like 2021 nc nc what's up then because a yoga class some crystals juice regimen get her some good. Tell jane about goop like you. Just you know a girl. Wash face okay..

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"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

The Bechdel Cast

04:33 min | 4 months ago

"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

"A career which i guess wes anderson she sh- her whole career was like making things happen for men and never getting credit for it but yeah i highly recommend listening to that. You must remember this season because it will shine a light on somebody who was primarily in. Her career overshadowed by people who didn't deserve the limelight as much as she did right. Yeah because she was for the most part very much like the common thread in like their best work. So it's like well. You know who is here for all of your best work and especially for like peter bogdonovich which i guess film majors can jump in my mentions if they feel like it but she was involved with his two best regarded movies ever and his career. You know kind of that kind of absolutely certainly did take a downturn. After he decided to divorce her he added affair with Civil shepherd cybill shepherd on the set of last picture show and that was kind of the swan song for him being considered a top level tour. Yeah so polly platt which i wanna make sure she gets her her do And also sound. It sounded like there was a really good on the ringer. There was a really good piece on the production of this movie. It's been written about pretty extensively at this point but there were elements of jane's character that were pulled from both susan's are in ski. Who i think was like the main source for jane's life who ended up becoming the head of cbs news. Up until like this year. I guess but but there are elements of for character that were pulled from polly platt and James brooks's relationships so she's very present in the movie she. She also had to take the movie that i super disagreed with. But i thought was interesting. Because i think from her perspective. It makes a lot of sense because she you know her career with very much the story of like trying to quote unquote have it all and have a successful marriage and a successful career in film and she was never able to have both at the same time as is Somewhat common experience especially in the seventies and eighties So she really really really wanted Jane to be able to go with tom at the of the movie even if the relationship was doomed she was really frustrated. That james l. brooks wouldn't let jane have some sort of romantic catharsis even if it was like not the guy for her. She was shoes. Seemed really really upset about it that but then she says in her unpublished memoirs that Karina longworth read a lot from and her series that she's she's like i suppose. I am a living example that you can have the career but you generally don't get them in so i think she wanted this ending for jane that she didn't get for herself and that also didn't happen in the movie. I think that that would of sucked in the movie edmundsbury perspective. Yeah it makes sense. I think you know a lot of creative. People will do this where they will project themselves onto the characters. And that's i think a function of the fact that when you become a creative person it's usually because you have a surplus of empathy sometimes. It's because you are a sociopath raging narcissi super narcissist. But i think for the people who really do the best work. The people who we are beginning to laud more than those narcissists it's empathy it's being able to put yourself in the characters and see their perspectives. And i can see doing that. But james l. brooks was one hundred percent right jane going with. Tom is a rejection of everything. Jane stood for as a character right. It's just wrong and it would have been terrible and it would made you dislike jane even more then you might have just through the course of the movie so i'm glad that it is the way that it is and jane does get a boyfriend in the in the flash war she does and and i'm all for and we've gone back and forth about this on our show for forever. Kate linden's like i dunno. It's like she she. It's clear throughout the movie that she does want some sort of companionship And so it's like yeah..

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"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

The Bechdel Cast

02:31 min | 4 months ago

"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

"Hey jane ask tom how he was able to get a cut away to his reaction during that story where we see him reacting and crying when he only brought one camera with him so then jane goes back through the footage and it shows that aaron got that reaction shot after the interview that he was acting and then he edited it into the story and jane is just completely disgusted and appalled by this and she was supposed to go away with talk before he left for london but she confronts him at the airport which i thought was a fun subversion of like you know people go to the airport and like make up and kiss but she goes there to to scold his ethic. She's like you make me sick. I'm not going on this trip with you. You committed a terrible breach of ethics. Screw you forever. it's it's also one of the great Pre-nine eleven airport scenes. Because she's just kind of wandering around. She's not sure if he's gonna go or dot. She doesn't have a ticket because he's got the tickets he's wandering around with like funny hats and like hey the airport the place to be. She's like no break up with you and then he's like okay. I guess i'll just walk through this single piece of security and get right in one metal detector and it's just very very interesting. Yeah it's like walking into a jc penney basically. Yeah i think people just go to the airport to have lunch. Oh there's a hot in the airport. Yeah let's go there can't really So that's the end of them. Then we cut to several years later where jane. Tom and aaron all run into each other. Jane is considering taking an even higher position as a managing editor where she would be. Tom's boss. Tom is engaged to someone else erin is married and has a young son so they've all moved on with their lives doing other stuff And then the movie ends on. Jane and aaron catching up. So that's the story. Let's take a quick break and then we'll come right back to discuss. When do.

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"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

The Bechdel Cast

06:58 min | 4 months ago

"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

"But who doesn't get good grades and therefore he will be a future news anchor. Aaron is like smarty pants brainiac. He will be a future news. Reporter and jane writes letters to pen pals and gets her hair job achiever. She cares very much about precision and therefore she is a future news producer. I really loved that scene with with little jane where she tells her dad off for like not being specific enough in his criticisms of her like. It's so fun. And then jane grows up to be holly hunter who is in fact a news producer. She works with and is good friends with adult aaron. Who is albert brooks we see. Jane gave a speech criticizing the state of like news reporting and news casting too soft and afterward tom who is william hurt approaches her. And he's like hey great job so she asks him out for dinner. It seems like things might get romantic. he also is talking about how he's not good at his job and that he's basically failing upward and she's like well. Okay get better and try harder. Which tops at him and he leaves. I hate tough. I hate tons of i feel like we know. I know that aaron is very much avila. But i do hate tom. The most out of everybody. I dislike both of the men that were supposed to i. Don't i mean. I don't know that we're really supposed to be rooting for any relationship that we are. Yeah it's it's not a movie. That is a neutral in its moral judgments. I think it does judge every character in time in the film. That's one of the reasons why i like it. So much is because it casts skepticism on all three of the protagonists which is very rare in movies. I think most of the time when you watch a comedy like this or even drama something that has gravitas. You're watching the movie decides. This is the person you're supposed to like. This is the one that's gonna make all the decisions or is at least going to reverse course on the bad decision at some point but i think at at a certain juncture in the movie for all three characters and i think for air and multiple times through the movie the be points fingers at him and says you are. A bad person are making wrong choices. You are selfish person and The movie judges him accordingly. It's really it's it's fascinating like going through the moral gymnastics this movie because there's multiple points where you have to like think about what someone just said it'd be like okay. They said that for a selfish reason. But i don't totally disagree with what they were saying but they're doing it to be emotionally manipulative and ultimately i don't like any of them i. I wanted to read tom's characters. Description on the scholarly journal pedia page because it made me laugh a lot It says tom is tall. Handsome likeable and telegenic but lacks news. Experience general knowledge intelligence and language skills. I mean i think that that is certainly true but also inclined to agree. Yeah yeah it's it's not a stretch to say that he is. That makes tom a special interesting complicated. Character is his intense self awareness of his faults. That is a cool thing to me. Not that i like tom that i walk away from this movie saint boy. I wish tom and jane got together. Because they're just great for each other and he's so cool. No he's he's a manipulator. He is a figure who is really just out for himself but he doesn't know that he's not savvy enough to understand one hundred percent of his problem but he can point out some of it. Yeah that's what's cool about the movie again. Like yeah okay. He gets it but at the end he expresses this belief in what he did being. Okay maybe even though jane is like this is the worst most unethical. They could possibly do so he self-aware to a point but when he get something out of his naievety or his perceived lack of awareness or ability. He doesn't mind some very american thing. Isn't it it. it's it's like he knows that this is not a meritocracy and that is going to work to his advantage in every way. Yeah what's the line. What's the exchange of dialogue. Where jane is like. You could get fired for that. And he's like i got promoted for that relate. Yeah he aches through the process of the movie. He is learning the full extent of his devious powers and that it's sort of like the origin story of marvel villain. Yeah it is it's i'm so unlike. What does that character look like. Twenty years down the line. 'cause it's like he almost like ahead of the curve in where news ended up going to the point where like the central ethical conversation around. This movie would barely even be a discussion. He's brian williams. Do the same thing of a similar thing to what happens if this guy was that helicopter and boy it was scary was alive sign well. Tom leaves jane's hotel room but then he calls her right away. And he's like by the way. I've gotten a job at your network so i'll see you at work in. This is the beginning of a you. Like will they are. Won't they get together kind of thing between jane and tom. Then we see this great sequence. Where jane aaron and some other staff like this editor guy bobby. As well as blair who's played by joan kuzak they like are putting together this segment and they have to like really quickly. Get it all together and like rush the tape to the people so that it gets on air and they like have like not a second to lose some great john cusack. Philly hilary duff. One day would watch that tape of the sheer pratfall. Lowery of chat sequencing beautiful. It's it's really an obstacle course. Made a real career out of playing that character in in the eighties..

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"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

The Bechdel Cast

07:40 min | 4 months ago

"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

"General really underlines certain toxic qualities about the masculine. Id and the the masculine. Id of people who believe themselves to be smarter or or more self-aware in reality. There are the least self-aware people that there. There is the keys the fake ally in this movie because he says to jane like you know. I'm your best friend only friend. We have the special connection. He's gas lighting her the entire movie. He is manipulating her the entire movie. And he's created this Codependent relationship with this person. that is damaging to her To an an extreme degree. I think it's really brave of him to have been willing to play that character and all of these films and to write and direct movies. Where he's playing this unlikeable character. I think the only movie that he is in that he wrote or co wrote and directed where he's not unlikable is defending your life but the rest of them kind of like. He's the reason why everything is going wrong. And i think that's a really laudable. Wonderful thing and so. That's one of the reasons why i love. It shines light on certain things that we don't like to talk about about masculinity yeah. He didn't writer director movie. But a different brooks did. Yeah james l. brooks which i was lying. That's why their friends are. They related and i don't think they are. You're not james l. brooks though was in another film. That albert brooks is and one of brooks's derogatory efforts modern romance. He plays a film director. And don't believe he's playing himself but he does play a film director in that movie so they were kind of friends from the comedy community of that time. The kind of alternative comedy scene of that moment and i believe that He was also in He was in terms of endearment before this to like. Yeah there's all sorts of fun overlaps james l. brooks really. I mean i. I sort of knew this but you know in researching the production of this movie. Oh he has like a crew that he works with over the course of like what like forty years at this point. Yeah and co creator of the simpsons. And that's one of the reasons why albert brooks was in so many simpsons episodes in the early part of the run of that show. Wow jamie what's your relationship in history with this movie. I liked this movie. I think also i saw it in college. I remember liking it then. And i didn't revisit it for a long time after and then i don't i think it was it. It wasn't until friend of the cast. Karina longworth put out an amazing season of her show. You must remember this last year about polly platt who Was really integral in this movie. Worked with james l. brooks a lot and produced this movie and when i was listening to that series i think like last summer or fall. I was watching her filmography as i was listening. And so i- revisited. This movie and was like pretty blown away by it and was really excited to revisit for this show. I think that this would have been kind of my introduction to most of these actors. When i saw these. I wasn't like a huge film buff in high school or anything. I was Very very nor me and my tastes. I take no shame in it but it but it was true to before as others movie. I was like al like literally. Most of these people were pixar characters to me because albert brooks is the data and finding nemo and holly hunter is mrs incredible so long story short. I've i've never worked in broadcast news. I have worked in news news and it was really interesting to watch after having some experience in that space and i'm really excited to talk about What about you kaitlyn. I two saw this movie for the first time in film school and hush it on you really want film students to watch broadcast news. I think it's one of the only movies. They wanna show like entertaining. This is funny. We're gonna show this funny movie instead of you know berlin alexander or something. Maybe that's why i remember it was there. Were so many movies and films like the film program. I was in the. I well boy did. I hate that. I'm sure it was competent. But what a drag in going to sleep through this. There would always be an intermission like okay. We're in a pause for a little bit. So you guys go to the bathroom and stuff and i would just go back to my door. Sleep the blue angel by max. Oh falls i wanna sleep. Well i'm about to be the villain the the albert brooks of this episode and say that i wasn't as enamored with this movie and i find it to be longer than it needs to be. That's absolutely true. I will not pretend that that is not true. Why's two hours and thirteen minutes. It could be a breezy ninety five minutes. I'm not sure why it's as long as it is. And therefore i find it a boring movie punctuated by some really fun scenes. It's not really my type of movie. Although a you know it is obviously competently made competently written and directed and the performances are really good. But it's just. I don't know it's not really my jam but there are many things to talk about. I'm excited to unpack. It's and i. I will never not be better that. It's two hours thirteen minutes on used to be longer. There's an entire subplot that was cut out. Oh my gosh. It was a longer movie. I know do tell what was what else could have possibly happened. Believe these scenes were shot. Because i think they're on the criterion but okay the shooting script that i read had a subplot where tom befriends. A state department official for employees. I think he's kind of a low level state department person but his roommate knows a bunch of people and so there is a transference of information for flirtation that occurs. And that's where. Tom gets a lot of the the information that he uses to then advance in his career is is because this the state department person finds him attractive. Trust and tom is kind of guy he's just like. Oh yeah we're just friends but he wants to take things to the next level with tom and he doesn't why it on the page at red really offensive and i'm glad they cut it out But that was a whole like it must have been an extra twenty pages screenplay. No thank you yeah. This movie is definitely already A bit long. That's just like any toury. Movie is going to be too long. But i still think that there so i don't know i. I think that this is like one of those movies. That sometimes like when i learned about the production of a movie. I like it less by the time i've learned more. This is the opposite. I the more. I learned about the production of this movie. The more interesting. I think it is cool. Well shall we talk about the story and then go from there. Yeah okay. So here's the recap. We meet our three main characters when they children. Tom who is a nice looking boy..

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"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

The Bechdel Cast

07:58 min | 4 months ago

"dave schilling" Discussed on The Bechdel Cast

"Caitlyn here with a quick content warning for this episode sexual assault and date rape are brought up in a few different parts of the episode. It's not an extensive part of the movie nor our discussion but again it is discussed throughout the episode so we wanted listeners to be aware of that enjoyed the episode on the dog cast. The questions asked movies have women and all their discussions boyfriends and husbands or do they have individualism. The patriarchy's fm vast start changing it with the dell caitlyn. Yes jamie what do you think the devil looks like. Well the movie would have you think or at least the character of erin in this movie would have you think that it looks like william hurt but i think it looks like albert brooks this character. Oh he's the devil. I think i think the devil looks like woohoo in in this movie. Who does the devil most look like. This is actually a challenging question is it is it jack. Nicholson could it be here. He's well refused to give up any of his salary to save any- anyone else's job. It was all a big joke to him. Oh my gosh. That part. I was just like i can't wait to talk about it. Also honestly he. He looks like how i would imagine. The double would look just like eyebrow wise. Do you remember the movie witches of eastwick where he was. He lays the devil. Yes i do. And there's like some production crossover between witches of eastwick and this movie. Oh no way. All come together jack. Nicholson confirmed the devil. It's honor to hear i that he's played the devil. It would have been a real waste of Waste of his vibe if he did not at one point the. I hate to see a vibe wasted. So that's right. Yeah well that was my little opening. I loved it. The fact i was gonna d- do you want to hear what i would have done. Yeah sure if i were opening it i would have said breaking news. Do and then done some like news jingle and i would been like this is the bechtel cast. I like it. I like it thank you. I think we have growing options. I think everyone should sound off in the comments of what they stronger opening was and that'll be. That'll be helpful for us. Moving forward. We love feedback. Especially when it's unsolicited. Good grief okay. Well this is breaking news. This is the bhakta. Cast is our podcast in which we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens using the bechtel test simply as a jumping off point to initiate a larger conversation The bechtol test being a media metric created by queer cartoonist. Alison bechtol sometimes called the bechtel. Wallace test in which are standard these days to people of a marginalized gender have to have names. They have to speak to each other about something other than a man. And ideally it is a conversation that is narrative meaningful right. and it's and it really cannot ultimately be about albert brooks. Which is where. I struggled in this one There were some where i'm like. Oh and then it's like. Oh but that was about william hurt or albert brooks. Wasn't it and you know that was. What was the name of this new station. What was the name of the fictional w. o. Up a who cares w who cares. We're covering broadcast news today. We sure are. I'm really excited to talk about this movie. There's so much to talk about. There's a lot to unpack and we have an amazing guest. We certainly do. He's a writer. He's host of the new polygon. Podcast galaxy brains. It's dave schilling. Hello welcome what a pleasure. It is to be here today to talk about a movie. That is one of my favorites of all time. But i also do believe that it is in fact not going to pass the test. We'll go through it later. But when i wrack my brain thinking about this movie that i loved that. I've seen many times on blu ray. I think you know first of all huge flicks with the blu ray drops a blu ray physical media. Yeah well i think. I i have A compulsion towards owning movies that i love because they do disappear often like they leave streaming services for years at a time Sometimes more than that. You know decades so i wanna make sure that when i want to see my favorite movies i have them for instance. The movie crossroads which we always get requests for but as literally not accessible to us it is unavailable. We've even set up episodes for this and then been like wait a second. This movie has been disappeared. Why is that. I don't know erased from human existence. You can buy on dvd but the dvd's also like sixty dollars. What is going on with that. There's another movie that. I think you should do at some point. Kathryn bigelow movie strange days which was on my mind quite a bit last summer during during all of the protests and uprisings over the george floyd killing because that's that movie was about you know our relationship with law enforcement and all that stuff and it's nowhere you can't buy it on physical media you have to you have to find a used copy on ebay or something. I just happened to have one from college. Because i was a physical media collector when it mattered back then but otherwise unavailable. And it's a shame because that's a movie that people need to be watching right now. That is yeah. I yeah i've never seen it and now i have no options. You can borrow my pan and scan. Dvd if anyone has copies of either of those movies lying around. We do have a po box. I like crossroads was sorry to go. to crossroads. crossroads was written by shonda. Rhimes like there's just so much going on for crossroads. I completely forget what happens in the movie. Maybe it's really fucked up and they don't want us to see it. I don't remember what happens right. I haven't seen it feels like i never will. Because of it being so inaccessible we might be fucked So dave you said. The broadcast news is one of your favorite movies of all time. What's your history boy. I must have seen it for the first time in film school. Because that was when i first started getting into albert brooks movies you know unfortunately if you are a young film enthusiasts certain age you're and you are like me jewish. I am jewish mother side. You are pushed into a the filmography of someone who we don't talk about that he's out there and he made a lot of movies or people of that. Ilk and albert brooks was never given that same amount of credibility with the film community. He was never a box office success. He's never won an academy award but his movies are so much more rewarding than other people playing in this kind of never she jewish milieu because in every film that he is in at least the ones where he's written and directed them or co written them and directed them in this one. He did not do either. But it's still fit into that sort of vibe he's the villain he's the bad guy and i. I was glad that we got to do this because it does this movie in his work..

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