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"confederate treasury" Discussed on The RIFT Radio Podcast Network
"Mill on it where George Washington used to come and grind his corn. Last. I love history like that, and then there's this so much history in this small little town I. Miss People have probably never heard of or had already amazing and there seems to be still rescuing. Crypto you'd guy time sliver now i. Yeah I mean when he talks about. People talk about Cornwallis. You know when he took off and ran and was popped Yorktown. Right. You know where Iran from. GWYNN's island. And you know what he ran through. Was Mathews and Gloucester to get to your town somewhere between these two places. Is All the golden everything he made off with. Because we should down he had nothing with him. Right. It's crazy about so these. Stories. It's kind of like the confederate treasury to. You hear about these things. And I. My. One. Virginia. But they've never found any coinage or anything. Correct. No I have a coin that was found down there. Okay, okay yeah. French quarter Frank. Eighteen thirty three. King Charles. I. Tried to find out about this. Coin. was found in a ten cup in the bottom of the boat. You know I tried to track down who who has that coin 'cause surely. If, you had a gold coin. That's not something I would think that you would let go of. Right but I guess it depends on who it was. You know but I never could track down that gold coin. The only thing I could track down was the boat. Gotcha. Well, we have another statement coming out of facebook real quick. Mega Hyphen all she made a comment saying how the owners try making contact with whatever it is seems a bit aggressive. I'd be interested in the history on that place yes. Actually that's. I. I did all of that probably three years ago. And that's why we're waiting on getting in. To do an actual. Investigation because I have I work solely through. Crop. I've seen his work I know what he does. He's legitimate. I didn't put all this time and effort. To have someone come. Let's just say they haven't muddied by illegitimate Gr-. Let's just leave that Did look what the history channel did with Travel Channel with the idiots on the last half of the show. I'm sorry. Full story that was a joke. Yeah that was all made up. It was all a lie. story that he told was he made up. With all about him. Tripping acid back there in the woods one day. he was never possessed by no demon. He's written a book five times over. Can't get it right because he keeps changing the stories in it..
"confederate treasury" Discussed on Parcast Presents
"In order to save the ship from sinking. That treasure has remained at the bottom of Lake Michigan. Ever since a number of recent find seemed to help corroborate this story. The first confirmation is a deathbed confession made to the grandfather of one. Kevin Dykstra a treasure hunter featured in the history channel. Docu series the confession came from George Alexander. Abbott a housekeeper. Who In one thousand nine hundred twenty? One admitted to being one of the Union soldiers who stole the gold and smuggled it to Michigan. He stated that the gold was lost Lake Michigan. And it still there. The words of one man almost a hundred years ago might not seem like much to go on but as the story was passed down it started to generate interest in Lake Michigan as a potential site missing treasurer ultimately the documentary series doesn't end with the discovery of the long lost gold. If the Treasury really is down there it makes for a fantastic story. But there's a few notable discrepancies in this theory. The curse of the civil war gold claims that the treasure hidden at the bottom of Lake Michigan was approximately two million in gold. Bullion or bars. This would make the Lake Michigan treasure by far the largest amount of gold to be associated with the confederate treasure. That left Richmond the counts. We've read put the confederate gold at around five hundred thousand dollars plus the additional four hundred and fifty thousand in Richmond Bank funds. So for this theory to be true it would mean that the single amount stolen by the Michigan Union troops was worth double that of the entire rest of the total treasure. This account is further contradicted by numerous sources. St Jefferson Davis took only thirty five thousand dollars worth of gold for himself when he fled Georgia. Still Jefferson Davis was not a good person. It's certainly possible. He withheld a huge sum of treasure for himself before he abandoned his cabinet and his army to save his own life. As we've said there are enough discrepancies in this story to make any claim as to the real value of treasure dubious at best given that. There's not much else in terms of proof that the gold ever made it to Michigan. We have to say this theory warrants a little more skepticism. Still if we've learned anything from our look into the subject. It's that the treasure could be almost anywhere. But what if it's nowhere as in? What if the legend of this confederate gold has only grown so large? Because it's covering up the truth. The treasure was lost long ago. Coming up we'll cover that very idea in our next theory now. Back to the story in eighteen sixty five. A cache of confederate treasure was lost amidst the chaos at the end of the civil war. The location of the treasure has been theorized to be everywhere from buried in Georgia. To the bottom of lake. Michigan stories of missing treasure tend to stick with us. Because there's always a chance someone could still find it if it still exists. Our third and most anticlimactic theory is that there is no treasure what remained of the confederate. Treasury was quickly spent away in the weeks and months following the war and only legends and fictionalized accounts have kept the myth of the confederate gold alive for this long. The challenge of locating the treasure has always been wrapped up in the value of the treasure. That was taken from Richmond in eighteen. Sixty five the most thorough sources put the number at around five hundred thousand in gold and precious metals. Though there long has been speculation that the real value of the treasure was much higher. The union government actually helped perpetuate this rumor northern leaders likely hadn't realized how dire the financial situation of the confederacy was in eighteen. Sixty five as union forces began capturing more and more confederate strongholds. The Union leadership started to put the word out about the missing funds from the confederate treasury. The Union soldiers were not finding much gold when they captured fortresses and they didn't believe that was all there was. It seemed to them that the confederacy was hiding large sums of money. The real value of the confederate Treasury was likely on the smaller side. For All the reasons we've mentioned the confederacy had been hemorrhaging money in its efforts to raise an army strong enough to fight off the north if we accept that the confederate leadership really was only carrying five hundred thousand and personal assets when they fled. Richmond in April of eighteen. Sixty five it actually becomes a little simpler to figure out what happened right from the start. There's a recorded loss. We know that Jefferson Davis fled with his party and the treasurer on April second eighteen sixty five however on April sixth. A man named Walter. Phil made a tally of the treasure and came up nearly two hundred thousand dollars short. The reason for the discrepancy was due to fifty barrels of Mexican silver coins. Valued at four thousand dollars apiece. These barrels seemed to have vanished at some point between April. Second when the Treasury left Richmond and the April sixth tally. It's unknown why the barrels were separated from the rest of the treasure and speculation exists to this day that the silver is buried. Somewhere in Danville. Virginia where Phil Brooke made the tally. It's also possible that the silver was tallied in Richmond but never made it onto the initial train out of town. Historians generally agree that the silver was intended to pay the soldiers in general. Lee's army which at that time had been set to catch up with Davis and the rest of the confederate leaders. It could have been left behind in Danville for Lee to recover on his march. If so the silver would have likely been confiscated by union troops so already. The value of the confederate treasure is down from five hundred thousand to just over three hundred thousand in four days as the fall of the confederacy became more and more evident soldiers in the confederate army. Were left wondering what they were still fighting for to that end. It was vital that the confederate leadership keep their men paid to avoid mutiny on April. Seventh as the convoy passed through carrier. Mina there's a record of thirty nine thousand dollar payment to one General Johnson and his men. This battalion had not surrendered and would likely be needed to blockade any union forces pursuing Davis. It was not money. Well spent Johnson and his men surrendered just over two weeks later so now of that original some five hundred thousand Davis had less than three hundred thousand and we've only covered the major deductions the treasury. Money would have been called upon to pay for food and transportation for the entire group as it continued. Its journey south. It took nearly a month for the party to reach its destination Washington Georgia. They're the confederate leadership was faced with the growing problem of troop dissatisfaction. The men had been marching for weeks and too many of them. The writing was on the wall they knew would not be paid. If the remainder of the treasury money was captured by Union forces. John Breckenridge. The confederate secretary of war had no choice but to pay each of the men. Twenty six dollars for a total cost of over one hundred thousand dollars when Jefferson Davis fled. Washington he was reportedly given thirty five thousand in gold to both support himself. And if the chance came oversee a resurgent confederacy. By this point the confederacy had been dissolved and it was left to the cabinet to disperse the remainder of the treasure. After payments to some of the cabinet members and additional expenses the confederate treasure would have amounted to less than one hundred thousand dollars the rate at which the confederate treasury dwindled after. Jefferson Davis fled. Richmond is concerning and certainly raises. The possibility that the rest of the money was spent as well. The final piece of the story that confirms this particular Theory Concerns One. James a simple. According to one account Captain McKay Asia Clark was the last man to be made responsible for the confederate treasury before it was captured by the Union. Army IT WAS. Clark who oversaw the dispersal of what remained of the treasure when all the expenses were paid. Clark was left with a surplus of eighty six thousand dollars. He presented this to navy. Lieutenant James Simple Clark ordered simple to hide the money and smuggle at South to Savannah from their Clark had made arrangements for the goal to be shipped to England where it would be deposited in a bank account await the day that the confederacy would rise again. Simple was partnered with another officer. Edward Ball the two men didn't even make it halfway to Savannah in the city of Augusta. Just fifty miles from where they set off simple and tidball met up with another man William Howell. We don't know why but it was here. That simple chose to abandon the mission. Perhaps by then it was so clear that the confederacy had been defeated and would never is again. That simple and tidball didn't see the point in sending some perfectly useful gold off to rot in some English bank for Eternity tidball and how both used their cuts to start new lives for themselves and live out their days in comfort but samples actions warrant further investigation simple laid low for the next few months. He was definitely wanted by union authorities. Who By then knew he had made off with some of the treasury money. Additionally it was likely he was also being hunted by ex confederate bounty hunters after Clark learned that the money had never made it to England when simple showed up back on the radar in eighteen sixty six he had hatched a plan to potentially save the South simple aim to use his gold to push the United States into a war with Britain. He figured that the North would need the help of the southern states. In the event of such a war and thus the northern forces would be forced to concede some of the harsher conditions of reconstruction semple became involved with the Phoenicians a precursor to the Irish Republican Army. The Phoenicians aim to push the British out of Ireland and had set a basis in the United States where they could plan without fear of being captured. Simple knew that the British government was not happy that the American government was doing little to stop the Phoenix from scheming against them. The fact that the US had just concluded a civil war and was currently in the slow painful process of rebuilding itself as a nation. Didn't really register with the British simples. Plan was to use his gold to fund. The fenian movement's raising awareness across America and gaining followers if he could get enough Americans to support Irish liberation then perhaps eventually Britain would declare war on America. Then his master plan would go into effect. This plan didn't work. What a shock. Simple gave up on the FENIAN PLOT. After he had invested. Most of his gold he died in eighteen. Eighty three with little to his name. The simple story seems to confirm what became of the last of the confederate treasurer. Well as we stated. It's certainly possible that there was more treasure that left Richmond and that additional treasure did make its way to Michigan or Georgia or wherever it really seems most likely that the majority of the confederate Treasury was spent on efforts to keep the confederacy itself alive while we still can account for the one hundred eighty thousand dollars worth of Richmond Bank money stolen from union troops. It seems just as likely that the gold was quietly spent until there was nothing left. The final question then is that given all we know about what really became of the confederate treasure. Why is there still so much speculation that it's still out there? The obvious answer is the missing one hundred eighty thousand dollars that was stolen by robbers and never recovered. Furthermore there was so much gold being moved around in this time that it has always been impossible to state how much there was. Meaning no matter. How much is accounted for? There can always be more. The potential existence of the treasure carries with it a cultural importance. It's not controversial to state that many who lived in the southern United States following the civil war considered themselves to be a part of the confederate states of America even after the confederate states were retaken by the Union. The legend of the treasure shows cultural longing. A fantasy of some lost amount of gold. That might've been used to give rise to a new confederacy. Even as the civil war became a memory. The legend of the treasure persisted. This was enhanced by the Gold's prevalence in popular culture. It is appeared in comic books. Western films including the good the bad and the ugly and the Clive cussler novel Sahara which.
"confederate treasury" Discussed on Parcast Presents
"In April of sixty five the civil war head all but ended confederate. General Robert E Lee was preparing to formally surrender the bulk of the confederate army to Ulysses S Grant Union forces were advancing into the southern states reclaiming the failed nation for the United States of America confederate president. Jefferson Davis received word that a union battalion was on route to capture the confederate capital city of Richmond. Virginia as the city burned Davis fled with the members of his cabinet. The group took with them. A massive cache of gold reportedly all that was left of the confederate treasury. The treasurer is likely valued at millions of dollars in today's currency though the exact value has been debated by historians. But what is known? Is this when Davis and the rest of his cabinet were captured in. May of eighteen. Sixty five the treasure that they had on them was seized and sent north. It never reached its destination. There are numerous rumors as to where all that treasure ended up over. The past one hundred fifty years treasure hunters and historians have looked all over the United States for the missing gold and yet after all this time the confederate gold has eluded all efforts to find it. It's a true American treasure hunt. Hi I'm molly and I'm Richard. Welcome to gone on the podcast network. Every other Monday we examined mysterious disappearances and the theories they spawned from the Amber Room to Michael Rockefeller Picasso paintings to the trust can language the roanoke colony to the lost Russian. Cosmonauts if it's gone we're looking for it at par cast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love..
"confederate treasury" Discussed on WCBM 680 AM
"Hospital. Baltimore police did not make Commissioner Michael Harrison available to comment on the resurgence of violence a blow. It was said we are redeploying resources in response to recent violence. Okay. You can actually there's a site that enable you to go and take a look at where these murders are taking place. Just an observation. We know generally where a majority of ponderous of these murders will take place in Baltimore City. Kind of two ovals around the areas in east Baltimore and in west Baltimore. Would they not be deployed in those areas rather significantly? I'm just asking. If now's the time to say, gosh, I guess we should redeploy. These murders are happening by and large in one of these two ovals and so far this year more in west Baltimore, then at east Baltimore, of course, can change or early in the year east. Baltimore has a chance to catch up very few happen in role in part or Guilford? We know that you can probably lighten up on police presence there. Just a bit particularly since Kilford has its own police force or they don't call it. Then. A security company that they've hired and it's very difficult to actually find your way into Guilford out because a lot of the streets have been blocked off which is fine for the residents and Guilford because they would just as soon not be the subject of all kinds of criminal activity when people drive through and smashing grab and leave won't make it as confusing as possible for criminals to get into out. And I have no problem with that whatsoever. Other people in west Baltimore, not so lucky. So we're now at seventy six. Healthy holly. Visits a murder scene. Just an idea for the mayor who was on hiatus sabbatical. In witness protection. Whatever. By the way, yesterday with this conversation begin interesting conversation late in the show. I haven't with reparations which I think is is a fool's errand truly do now here the Georgetown University, the students have said, yes, we want to have a fee to help pay the descendants of those slaves that were sold in order to pay off Georgetown's debt in the eighteen fifties. I guess it was. Well, they can actually find those folks it's a private institution. They can do what they wish. And that's one of the real questions on this. Where's the money for this kind of stuff gonna come from? That's been one of the primary questions about asking. Where's the money come from Georgetown? They've solved it. They said I'll tell you what the money isn't come from student fees. This is fallen tear you want to go to Georgetown, you're gonna pay certain student activity fees in order to simply be there. Whether you take advantage of the activities that you're going to be there on the larger context of this country. With all of the race baiters on the left now saying, oh, yeah, we gotta do reparations in one form or another commission to study and develop reparation proposals. Yada, yada, yada. She back in nineteen eighty nine John Conyers of Michigan introduced that Bill. It was the commission to study and develop reparation proposals for African Americans to examine slavery and discrimination in the colonies and the United States from sixteen nineteen to the president to the present rather and recommend appropriate remedies. And it's been reintroduced. By Sheila, jackson-lee, democrat of Texas. Sharpens? Now ask you all the twenty twenty percents candidates support paying black slave descendants reparations for an institution that ended. As we've noted a number of times eighteen sixty five I think it's perfectly fine take it out of the confederate treasury. Those are the folks who are doing it. Go after them by all means as kind of basic question. Where's the money? Come from. Who you gonna tax? We'll let's be nationwide tax. So we were potentially be taxing those individuals who would be putting in for some recompense. So that we can turn on give them their own money back. Or will it be just a non person of color Tex? And and PC tax person of color. It'll be the federal NPC techs matter of fact, my wanna introduce that'd be the NBC techs act of twenty twenty. And then they can debate it entire year running up to the election. But seriously who's going to pay for it? Who gets taxed? It's not going to be followed. Of course, we will. So do we tax everybody or just white, folks? On the argument that white folks have benefited in- ordinarily from this. Whether or not one benefits from it isn't really the question was one involved personally in this misbehavior in this horrible institution. What if as we've noted your ancestors came from Italy and came here in the nineteen thirties. They didn't benefit from this. What if there I wish came here at the beginning of the civil war landed in New York and immediately drafted into our army in order to go fight. All they love that whole lot. There were draft rights in New York City during that time period. Understandably high I from Ireland I'm here to to see the land of the free the army, what the hell I mean. That's basically what going on get off the ship had a rifle Senator south to fight. Those people have to pay as well. I mean, some of their ancestors died of fighting against this institution. What if is in my case, you're descending from northern soldiers? My family the major branch. Why can't we from from Pittsburgh? Well, what then? Well, what if a person's being taxed as only half white? Or just for fun three fifths. All right. Like Halle Berry like Barack Obama. Well, Barack Obama can't very well be taxed on the on the black part of his heritage. Because that's he wasn't even that's his dad was from Kenya. Not an American wouldn't even apply, but but Barack Obama I guess would have to pay half of the tax. Because his mom was in Kansas. By the way, that would be a northern non slave state. Okay. So maybe just Democrats should be taxed white Democrats. She that actually kind of makes sense. The Democrats were the party of slavery. The Democrats were the party of the south. They were the members of the confederacy. They fought to maintain slavery. They fought to enforce Jim crow laws after the confederacy lost the war between the states. The Democrats had founded the KKK Republicans voice in this Republicans opposed all that stuff. So if you have a history in your family that you can prove well, my great, great grandfather, actually opposed slavery. You get a pass. Of course, the Democrats I going to be much harder. Because if you trace your heritage back to Democrats who were around in the eighteen sixties, then by all means you should be taxed as to actually who receives the money. This gets to be a little bit of a problem as well. The the money is not gonna come. You. Nobody's going to give up their house. Nobody's going gonna give up their land. Nobody's gonna give away acres. That offhand proposal forty acres meal, which by the way, it was never US policy. That concept is gone. Not even a building is going to the reparations pot. So what are we talking about? And this is why it's kind of a fool's errand to continue to propose we need reparations as a way of enforcing victimhood among the gullible. If you wanna create racial animosity where none existed before go here. If you want to do that, then try telling the white sun of the West Virginia, coal miner working his way through a community college as a bartender and his dad got black lung from working in the minds as his pappy did and his pappy and his his pappy did accepts his grand peppy actually lost his life fighting the fricks in the steel bills. Well, that guy has white privilege, really? Fascinating. Or the single mom daughter of an Iowa former. Or the Downer. White couple of just got turned down for a home loan that their taxes are going up because the black son of a professional athlete can get richer because his ancestors doesn't generations back may have been slaves or something. If you really want to stoke racial animosity, which does seem to be the goal here in the end. It does this is the goal. Then go here. So which party benefits from heightened racial animosity? Ask yourself who benefits from this? Self evident that this is what's going to happen. If we have a party where the major candidates for the most important job in the world of presidency of the United States of America and the party apparatus that's behind him. Are all saying we need reparations. If you really want to stoke, animus and racial discord. By all means this is what you do. And that is what the Democrats are going to try to do between now and the twenty twenty election because they like the idea of racial animus because they're hoping that will keep the black vote in their back pocket that want us to do anything for urban areas. Do anything for poor black, folks? But they know they can get it to come out and vote if they say we're going to give you reparations money, you deserve it because the white man is evil because he benefited somehow. Yeah. The coal miners in West Virginia, they'd benefit the Oki's who had to flee their farms that dried up during the great depression. They benefited a whole lot. And that will be the argument. You know, some guy who ended up in Oklahoma in a pickup truck with his family and all your belongings in it as the storm came through while you benefited inordinately from slavery. That's going to be a fun conversation. Listen in on it. Those are my opening observations for this day kind of broad ranging. But this is Friday free for all we are ready for three hours of compelling radio. If you're brand new to this. Here's how it works at any time, you wish to drag us away from this topic or any topic that we propose to show because you didn't have a chance to say something you want to say earlier this week or you have a topic. We've not touched upon this today to do it.
"confederate treasury" Discussed on WCBM 680 AM
"Right for the survivors themselves for their spouses for their children or grandchildren. Or for a named legal heir of the survivor? Those individuals would have compensation. Now in this country. Slavery existed, primarily in the south. Almost all of the south, actually. And it was an institution that was integral in the confederacy. There is no confederate Frigeri to give money from. So we're going to take the people who fought against that evil. And make them pay or their great, great, great, great grandchildren, pay for the behavior. Of the folks who actually perpetuated the evil until it was done away with you following me here. Okay. That's nonsensical on the face of it. And then you add in what about the waves of immigrants who came here either immediately prior to the civil war and during the Irish, for example, came here those Irish that came here early on. Prior to the civil war tipping became here as indentured slaves. They have the same freedom that your average slave would have they had the rights of livestock there simply there in order for the individual to whom they were indentured to us until the was paid which is typically a couple years after they died. There's no such thing as free lever. And the drive of every business is to drive their Lieber costs down further material costs down so that they might profit from their business again, slavery is an evil institution. It existed in this country, primarily in the confederacy. Which no longer exists. This. This would be like going to Turkey. And saying the Armenians. Demand reparations from the Turkish government because the Armenians were slaughtered in large numbers by the Ottoman empire. Of which Turkey was a part. Thus the citizens of Turkey today must pay for the sins of government that no longer exists. And that's where we are. So if you're Irish who came here, your parents, grandparents, whatever Irish thinking or the civil war somehow, you are also on the hook for this. Talion and came here in the early nineteen hundreds guess what up on the hook for this. My wife's mom was a holocaust survivor. She was polish. She came here after World War Two. My wife was born in this country. Father was Canadian her mother was an American citizen. To what degree do those individuals? Oh, the kitty they have nothing to do with this. So we have to devise a system then we have to go back and say, which number of your ancestors came from wear and once we make the determination, then we'll figure out what percentage of that income or the percentage of the reparation we have to pass along because you had maybe the Elizabeth Warren cases, the best one one south twenty fourth. A white guy who happened to be here in the south prior to the civil war. Your following the math that's necessary here, and again, this Kennesaw important on the tweet she sent out about an hour ago. The Democrats are convinced somehow that black folks can't possibly even get the documents together to get a driver's license or register to vote with a photo ID. But somehow they're expecting the same black folks to have detailed records of their parentage going back to prior to the civil war. Wow. You talk about a conflict concept here. All right. So there you have it. And catastophic was dead on the democrat program for twenty twenty is going to be reparations or free stuff for everybody. Reparations and guilt. And outs and guilt. I think she has that. Right. Four one zero WCBS eighty toll feeling distance at one eight hundred WCBS and to the phones we go, Darlene, Darlene. Thank you so much for hanging on welcome to the show morning. How are you? I'm we'll thank you. I'm trying to understand all this so hard for me to understand. So the reparation you said it apply to the Jews and the Irish and the Chinese does it apply to the white flight to those who came here from Dench servants. No, that's they would not be included in this. And let me let me clarify what I'm saying is. Let me clarify. This those individuals who came here after slavery have been done away with fourteenth fifteenth member of the constitution. Slavery was gone. All right. You have individuals who came in this country when there was no slavery on this continent in somehow, they know or their ancestors, they will be expected to pay reparations, and somehow the those individuals who fought that institution fought the confederacy they will be expected to pay and outta which treasury does this come out of the confederate treasury. Mean they're the ones who are doing it shouldn't they pay. Of this or paying for this? That's the thought so where's where's your family from originally from somewhere in Europe? Where are you from originally? Yeah. I was born here on my family was born here. What about what about who came over on the boat win? That's one of the family came from Italy. When his mom was to what year was that? Roughly what year was that like nineteen twelve twelve. Yeah. Well, clearly, he was involved in slavery. Then you had to be clearly of the family came over in nineteen. Oh, no, wait. Slavery was done away with in the sixties. I guess you're going to have to put in for an exemption them. You catch it on, Darlene. Thanks for your call. I do appreciate it for one zero WCBS six eighty till fuel long distance. It's one eight hundred six eighty two Fred downtown. Good morning. Fred. Bruce. Unions neater that it again, that's improve something. Think about this Catholic you said that. Doc. Generation. She said. My mother was raised by women for flavor. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I can take to the plantation that not fat fatty at flav, okay and cleaned and wipe down. And when when when when Shannon definite. No, no, Fred Meyer understanding is that that happened to the south and my correct? Yes. So so then your argument would be we should go to Richmond Virginia where the confederate treasury is. Now, we should get paid by the confederate treasury. Well, of course, it is. But this whole arguments nonsensical, you realize this is not a serious argument for it. You always do. Sure. The economic impact of flavor. To this country. Okay. Anybody to tell you that in nineteen twelve a win ever since the didn't directly benefits and flavoring. There's something wrong with you you walk into the country. All they built on the backs of black people already built on the back back with black people. And then you had to say you didn't benefit. So you're saying, oh, no, no, I'm sorry. You've had your say on my turn. So you're arguing that Chicago and Boston and New York City and Omaha Nebraska and Denver Colorado were all built on the backs of black people is that your argument, you have you have documentation to actually prove that as my impression is that. It was not built on the blacks of black people that indeed after the civil war. There was a migration north of black folks that began sometime in the eighteen eighties and continue for about forty or fifty years, but they have nothing to do whatsoever. With building those cities on their backs. Industrial. Evolution no wins that schedule. In the north. Yeah. And how suffered directly from that. Fred. How did you suffer directly from that? Okay. Let today how do you suffer directly from that? Because taxpayers dollars institutions in this country that we couldn't attend. So don't give us that money back about wait a minute attack die that the black community to tribute to his nation. Four for institution that they couldn't go back to the federal government. Didn't didn't give us sixty four. After flavors you the new government that you benefited from? Benefit from. Okay. So Fred, Fred, you're arguing basically you have grievances. In facts you so hold on. I'm trying to understand your logic here, which I don't see very clearly so what you're making is an economic argument, then so you're not arguing that slavery in and of itself was evil. You simply say that economically you didn't benefit as much as you should. So just as a good member of the AFL CIO would you want to simply renegotiate the contract. So you get paid more for the consequences of slavery because it was an economic issue and not a moral issue. I have that right? All the way MS AFL CIO they were formed to keep track kill black child. You know? It's funny for it. Because I know people actually who have served as officers in the in the Maryland and Baltimore AFL CIO. And those individuals to keep blacks on a friend. We asked Fred hold on. Let me ask you are you a union member at no on that? You're not even before you retired where your union member. Before you retired where your union member himself? So you did not belong. AFL CIO, wait a minute. I'm asking a question that you did not belong to the AFL CIO. Oh, I see. So you were an officer for the AFL CEO. Fred, thank you so much for finally be honest with us. I do appreciate the call in. There. You have it folks. Took a number of conversations to get that out of them. But there you have it friends a former officer of the AFL CIO. Who by the way, worked for Hillary Clinton? And it comes on the earned says he voted for Donald Trump. Something here is not like the others.
"confederate treasury" Discussed on GONE
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The location of the treasure has been theorized to be everywhere from buried in Georgia to the bottom of Lake Michigan stories of missing treasure tend to stick with us because there's always a chance someone could still find it. If it still exists are third and most anticlimactic theory is that there is no treasure what remained of the confederate treasury with quickly spent away in the weeks and months following the war and only legends and fictionalized accounts. Have kept the myth of the confederate gold alive for this long. The challenge of locating. The treasure has always been wrapped up in the value of the treasure. That was taken from Richmond in eighteen sixty five the most thorough sources put the number at around five hundred thousand in gold and precious metals though, there long has been speculation. That the real value of the treasure was much higher. The union government actually helped perpetuate this rumor northern leaders likely hadn't realized how dire the financial situation of the confederacy was in eighteen sixty five as union forces began, capturing more and more confederate strongholds the union leadership. Started to put the word out about the missing funds from the confederate treasury the union soldiers were not finding much gold when they captured fortresses, and they didn't believe that was all there was it seemed to them that the confederacy was hiding large sums of money. The real value of the confederate treasury was likely on the smaller side for all the reasons we've mentioned the confederacy had been hemorrhaging money in its efforts to raise an army strong enough to fight off the north. If we accept that the confederate leadership really was only carrying five hundred thousand and personal assets. When they fled Richmond in April of eighteen sixty five. It actually becomes a little simpler to figure out what happened right from the start. There's a recorded loss. We know that Jefferson Davis fled with his party and the treasure on April. Second eighteen sixty five however on April sixth a man named Walter Philbrick made a tally of the treasure and came up nearly two hundred thousand dollars short the reason for the discrepancy was due to fifty barrels of Mexican silver coins? Valued at four thousand dollars a piece these barrels seemed to vanished at some point between April second when the treasury left Richmond and the April sixth tally. It's unknown. Why the barrels were separated from the rest of the treasure and speculation exists to this day that the silver is buried somewhere in danville Virginia where Philbrick made the tally. It's also possible that the silver was tallied in Richmond. But never made it onto the initial train out of town historians, generally agree that the silver. Was intended to pay the soldiers general Lee's army which at that time had been set to catch up with Davis and the rest of the confederate leaders. It could have been left behind in danville for Lee to recover on his March. If so the silver would have likely been confiscated by union troops, so already the value of the confederate treasure is down from five hundred thousand to just over three hundred thousand in four days. As the fall of the confederacy became more and more evident soldiers in the confederate army were left wondering what they were still fighting for to that end. It was vital that the confederate leadership keep their men paid to avoid a mutiny on April seventh as the convoy passed through North Carolina. There's a record of thirty nine thousand dollar payment to one general Johnson and his men. This battalion had not surrendered and would likely be needed to blockade any union forces pursuing Davis. It was not money. Well, spent Johnson and his men surrendered just over two weeks later. So now of that original some of five hundred thousand Davis had less than three hundred thousand and we've only covered the major deductions. The treasury money would have been called upon to pay for food and transportation for the entire group as it continued its journey south. It took nearly a month for the party. To reach its destination, Washington, Georgia. They're the confederate leadership was faced with the growing problem of troop disatisfaction, the men had been marching for weeks, and too many of them the writing was on the wall, they knew they would not be paid. If the remainder of the treasury money was captured by union forces John Breckenridge, the confederate secretary of war had no choice, but to pay each of the men twenty six dollars for a total cost of over one hundred thousand dollars when Jefferson Davis fled Washington. He was reportedly given thirty five thousand in gold to both support himself. And if the chance came oversee a resurgent confederacy by this point, the confederacy had been dissolved, and it was left to the cabinet to disperse the remainder of the treasure after payments to some of the cabinet members and additional expenses. The confederate treasure would have amounted to less than one hundred thousand dollars the rate at which the. Confederate treasury dwindled after Jefferson Davis fled Richmond is concerning and certainly raises the possibility that the rest of the money was spent as well. The final piece of the story that confirms this particular theory concerns one James a simple, according to one account, captain occasion, Clark was the last man to be made responsible for the confederate treasury before it was captured by the union army. It was Clark who oversaw the dispersal of what remained of the treasure. When all the expenses were paid Clark was left with a surplus of eighty six thousand dollars. He presented this to navy. Lieutenant James simple Clark ordered simple to hide the money and smuggle at south to savannah from their Clark had made arrangements for the goal to be shipped to England where it would be deposited in a Bank account and await the day that the confederacy would rise again, simple was partnered with another officer Edward Tidball. The two men didn't even make it halfway to savannah in the city of Augusta just fifty miles from where they said off simple and Tidball met up with another man, William Howell. We don't know why. But it was here that simple chose to abandon the mission. Perhaps by then it was so clear that the confederacy had been defeated and would never rise again that simple and Tidball didn't see the point in sending some perfectly useful gold off to in some English Bank for eternity Tidball in Howell. Both used their cats to start new lives for themselves and live out their days in comfort, but simples actions warrant further investigation, simple, laid low for the next few months. He was definitely wanted by union thirties who by then knew he had made off with some of the treasury money. Additionally, it was likely he was also being hunted by ex confederate bounty hunters after Clark learned that the money had never made it to England when. Simple showed up back on the radar in eighteen sixty six he had hatched a plan to potentially save. The south simple aim to use his gold to push the United States into a war with Britain. He figured that. The north would need the help of the southern states in the event of such a war. And thus the northern forces would be forced to concede. Some of the harsher conditions of reconstruction. Simple became involved with the Phoenicians a precursor to the Irish Republican Army. The Phoenicians aim to push the British out of Ireland and had set a basis in the United States where they could plan without fear of being captured simple knew that the British government was not happy that the American government was doing little to stop the Phoenix from scheming against them. The fact that the US had just concluded a civil war and was currently in the slow painful process of rebuilding itself as a nation didn't really register with the British. Simples plan was to use his gold to fund the Fenian movement's raising awareness across America, and gaining followers. If he could get enough Americans to support Irish liberation then perhaps eventually Britain would declare war on America. Then his master plan would go into effect. This plan didn't work what a shock simple gave up on the Fenian plot after he had invested most of his gold. He died in eighteen eighty three with little to his name. The simple stories seems to confirm what became of the last of the confederate treasure. Well, as we've stated it's certainly possible that there was more treasure that left Richmond. And that additional treasure did make its way to Michigan or Georgia, or wherever it really seems most likely that the majority of the confederate treasury was spent on efforts to keep the confederacy itself alive while we still can't account for the one hundred eighty thousand dollars worth of Richmond, Bank, money stolen, from union troops. It seems just as likely that the gold was quietly spent until there was nothing left the final question. Then is that given all we know about what really became of the confederate treasure. Why is there still so much speculation that it still out there? The obvious answer is the missing one hundred eighty thousand dollars that was stolen by robbers and never recovered. Furthermore, there was so much gold being moved around. In this time that it has always been impossible to state how much there was. Meaning no matter how much is accounted for. There can always be more the potential existence of the treasure carries with it a cultural importance. It's not controversial to state that many who lived in the southern United States following the civil war considered themselves to be a part of the confederate states of America. Even after the confederate states were retaken by the union. The legend of the treasure shows, a cultural longing a fantasy of some lost amount of gold that might have been used to give rise to a new confederacy. Even as the civil war became a memory, the legend of the treasure persisted. This was enhanced by the gold's prevalence in popular culture. It is appeared in comic books western films, including the good the bad and the ugly, and the Clive customer novel Sahara, which was adapted into a film of the same name. Name. Why such a cultural obsession, perhaps it has something to do with the promise of sudden riches, the reality of treasure hunting is that you rarely get to keep all of what you find most nations, including the United States have laws governing. What can and can't be kept by the finder? Even if you do find treasure the country of origin for that treasure can claim part or most of it as historical property, but confederate treasure is different. There is no confederate government in existence. And thus there is no one to lay claim to any confederate gold that might be found. It makes sense and the sheer number of questions about the treasures whereabouts. Ensure that people will still continue to search for it for some time. However, we believe that the third theory is the most valid the confederate treasury was already poultry when Jefferson Davis fled Richmond. It seems most likely that he space. Meant what he needed to just keep the confederate government alive, and what was left with squandered by James simple. It's not the most exciting conclusion. But then again, it's better than scouring the bottom of a leg for treasure. That simply isn't there? Thanks
"confederate treasury" Discussed on GONE
"The. Hi, everyone, Richard. And I are happy to tell you about an unbelievable new show from par cast. It's called crimes of passion, and it analyzes the relationship, dynamics and psychology that lead to trail crimes and even murder. Stay tuned after this show and will play a clip of the first episode on the deaths of Edwin and Wilma Hoyt whose dismembered bodies were found floating on the surface of lake to listen to the full first episode. Subscribe to crimes of passion wherever you listen to podcasts. New episodes come out every Wednesday in April of eighteen sixty five the civil war had all but ended confederate. General Robert Lee was preparing to formally surrender the bulk of the confederate army to Ulysses s grant union forces were advancing into the southern states reclaiming the failed nation for the United States of America confederate. President Jefferson Davis received word that a union battalion was on route to capture the confederate capital city of Richmond Virginia as the city burned. Davis fled with the members of his cabinet. The group took with them a massive cache of gold, reportedly all that was left of the confederate treasury. The treasure is likely valued at millions of dollars in today's currency though. The exact value has been debated by historians. But what is known is this when Davis and the rest of his cabinet were captured in may of eighteen sixty five the treasure that they had on them with seized insent north it never reached its destination. There are numerous rumors as to wear all that treasure ended up over the past one hundred fifty years treasure, hunters and historians have looked all over the United States for the missing gold. And yet after all this time the confederate gold has. Alluded all efforts to find it. It's a true American treasure hunt. Hi, I'm Molly. And I'm Richard welcome to gone on the par cast network. Every other Monday, we examined mysterious disappearances and theories, they spawned from the amber room to Michael Rockefeller, Picasso paintings to the trust in language. The Roanoke colony to the lost Russian cosmonauts if it's gone. We're looking for it at par cast. We're grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do what we love let us know how we're doing reach out on Facebook and Instagram at par cast and Twitter at par cast network. And if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. It really does help us. We also now have merch head to cast dot com slash merch. For more information. You can find previous episodes as well as par casts. Other podcasts on your favorite. Cast directory. In this episode were looking into the confederate goal that reportedly vanished in eighteen sixty five as the remnants of the confederate government tried to avoid capture. This treasure is commonly referred to as confederate gold. However, this treasure was more of a myriad of precious metals. In addition to gold, the cash also included Mexican silver dollars and valuable jewelry. However, for consistency sake will refer to the treasure as the confederate gold for the duration of this episode. The treasure has become a recurring plot device in adventure novels and films the myth of this confederate. Gold has long overshadowed the real historical story in this episode. We're going to examine the historical events that led Jefferson Davis to flee Richmond. With the treasure on that fateful night in eighteen sixty five then will examine the most likely. Theories as to where
"confederate treasury" Discussed on Uncivil
"So the north didn't stop level and the south didn't catch you put stopped him was his own success people like upham and is competitor winthrop hilton so so much fake money that they drove the value of their own product to almost nothing it gets so bad that did confederate treasury secretary has to actually retire certain denominations because they're too heavily counterfeited later in life upland claimed to have produced fifteen million dollars worth of confederate money just a flood flood of fake money eventually people wouldn't buy up limbs counterfeit notes because they were worthless so samuel up and got out of the game and went back to selling tonics and cuers after gettysburg in the summer of eighteen sixty three the end of the confederacy was only a matter of time they were overwhelmed not just by armies but hyperinflation the confederate dollar collapsed and samuel weapons counterfeit it's sped up at demise i think it's important to assess its impact not only in the material way but in a psychological way he's not just pudding fake money into circulation he's also making people doubt whether the confederate national government has the resources the ability to protect their own currency paper money is only as valuable as the faith that people placed in ah and everyone has to believe are at this piece of paper even though you know the resale value of the paper itself has basically nothing i believe that it's five dollars and that's something that still powers are konomi today upham is attacking that faithbased foundation.
"confederate treasury" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030
"Youtube and there's no sound it's just you see the leaders come up to get the secretary of the confederate treasury was memon juror and you see the the post still offices jack regan juda benjamin as secretary not one person we'll even look at it no one will look at it if if i'm reading i have a little library now histories of the conflict they're all written by southern authors and missed the first thing i say boat at last a history of the confederacy written by a northerner it's almost blasphemous it's hard to find one maybe there's one out there they're all written by southern university historians and interests this all this yap in an this preaching and all this talking but if anyone actually decides to study the confederacy all of a sudden he's a bad guy will you augured big mouths by you don't back it up i rate i wrote i rewrote this book with yield is two types of southerners that love the confederate flag we can we could one is those those awful people that there had charlottesville you know with the neonazis with that nonsense and then there's the other kind there's the history buff in interior not saying neonazis innoncent you talking about that that all that the rigmarole that was over there so far gone they don't even believe what they're saying okay but then is the other what about the southern white person that knows a lot about the civil war that that bought all of those arguments that it wasn't really about slavery that actually you know was about northern economic dominance and they've got all this evidence to say now a lot of it i think it's sophistry i tickets convoluted and i think it was all about slavery but would be a person could listen to me because i know my stuff you know i could persuade one of the or two for those people but to just jump on i'm i'm i'm turning during the height of this charlottesville fever and churning on the internet of let me give you a history lecturer okay oh no it's always it's not always some pompous uninformative leisure oh no it's it's roma it's from a leftwing person and let me tell you something chase i'm gonna give you a history less who roberty lee was i'll tell you who robbery he was a traitor okay was a traitor and you know what he fought for slavery.