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Cloudflare Terminates 8Chan #1387

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41:40 min | 1 year ago

Cloudflare Terminates 8Chan #1387

"This is geek news central. My name is todd cochran coming to you from the new media production studios in southern michigan on tonight. Show cloudflare cloudflare has terminated services with eight chan the matrix. Yes the movie is back. In studios studios august thirtieth happy birthday curiosity rover nasa and commercialization of the international ashes space station that in more i want to welcome you dep is at one thousand three hundred and eighty seven the new central podcast for thursday august fifth. This show show is sponsored in part by go. Daddy dot com in listeners. Just like you great deals from go. Daddy can be founded. Geek news central dot com forward slash. Go daddy you to support this show today at eton central dot com forward slash insider. Hey wanna give a welcome to all the new listeners. Thanks for being here. Thanks for being part of our show. We're few weeks away from going back live with video here. In the studio. 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If all else fails a three percent promo code there for you to use on the website that will save you money on almost every product and service it go daddy so using my promo codes again center dot com slash go daddy definitely appreciate it when you do appreciate when you share those coach with your friends and family when they use those the just like an in-kind show donation and it's greatly appreciated well everyone here walking on the show i tell you i've got <hes> a lot going on on a lot lot lot lot lot going on and this is gonna be a busy busy busy week so <hes> just catch you up. <hes> the friday just a normal workday saturday started <hes> head a bunch of furniture while not a lot to pieces of furniture delivered a data box where i can put my trust in here in the front part of the office and <hes> a table where i can just papers and that kind of stuff so were pretty much finished with the front part of the studio. I was able to actually get to <hes> to the wall to the for my story. Jerry i gotta folding wall folding door. Put up. I had actually priced a commercial folding <hes> and basically would have had a lock but it wouldn't have been like super secure anymore than what i basically picked up at menards but <hes> <hes> the quota me like twenty eight hundred dollars to do a <hes> eighty two by one hundred twenty five inch space to come up with the folding doors. It went together. That would have a lock on. It and i thought you guys are freaking insane. Twenty eight hundred dollars is what one vendor quoted me so <hes> i you know my sister basically to mayhem seen menard tampa bay quality folding doors. They're not your run of the mill hill flimsy one so we went down to angle indiana and sure enough they had these really nice folding doors <hes> very thick heavy <hes> kind of exactly what i was thinking about anyway total cost to install it just above above a two hundred and twenty dollars so that's all installed <hes> then i've got the paint paints here. I've got sealant so this week is is <hes> doing some floor ceiling. I'm doing a painting and then on friday comes the carpet delivery <hes> that'll that'll go in. I've got two who pieces of furniture coming. I've got a new studio desk and i've got a new production studio desk so that just about does think there's two more pieces of furniture. We have to get for the studio and then <hes> really what we're waiting on. Then is <hes> audie moot in their promising me an install in about route twenty days so <hes>. I'm excited because i'll be in orlando. Leave on saturday. I'll see natalie and my granddaughter granddaughter. My mom's going down with me for two days and then monday. Drop her at tampa airport. I drive across orlando the name in orlando all week fly back here on the seventeenth so there will be no shows on the twelfth of the fifteenth get back here in the seventeenth have day turnaround than him in the office in columbus columbus from the nineteenth twenty second that i'm back in michigan from the twenty third until the twenty eight or twenty nine thousand nine lead for dragon con in an atlanta so very very busy schedule and i get back here on labor day actually fly back on labor day and then quick succession a couple of other events in i'm a pretty busy until the middle of september but there's gonna be a window there to get stuff in put together installed. I don't no no well safely. Make it with <hes>. I'm you know i'm trying to prep and have as much stuff done early but there's not a lot of time i am not going to be here much and <hes> so there is <hes>. There's a lot to be done in a in a short amount of time and <hes> it actually the time. I'm actually gonna be here <hes> in michigan so <hes> it just don't work calls but we're audio only right. We're okay for now <hes> but anyway got <hes> on sunday camped out with my sister at the county fair <hes> than today meetings and preparing for orlando. We had some product updates data announcements today. So it's been busy busy busy busy busy busy and <hes> about six thirty the <hes> <hes> the <hes> the slack channels <hes> chime it was kirk said hey got the show ready for you ready to go sized dichotomy prep done in here. We are about seven twenty in the evening and i am. I'm i'm i'm with you and recording of course you are listening into different time but let's go and move into the regular stack of content today cloudflare because of the mass shootings in el paso texas and dayton ohio the el paso shooting which both these shootings are tragic. Tragic dishes continues to play america. <hes> and i know people have mixed feelings on gun control. Were not going to talk about that on the show but in the case of the el paso shooting the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as eight chan based send evidence that they have seen it appears he posted a screed to the site immediately before his terrifying attack on el paso walmart killing twenty people cloudplayer's saying this is not an isolated incident. Nearly same thing happened on eight chan before the terror attack in christ church in new zealand they wanted to say the el paso shooter specifically referenced the christ's church incident appears been inspired by the largely on moderate discussions on eight chan dan which glorified the previous massacre in a separate tragedy the suspected killer in the hallway california cigar shootings also posted a hate filled open but let her on h. and thus cloud fair says eight chancery prove proven itself to be a cesspool of hate and a chan- according to cloudflare is among more than nineteen million internet properties that use their service but no more. They've sent notice that they're turning eight channels customer effective at midnight. They say the rational is simple. They've proven themselves to be lawless and that lawless caused multiple tragic deaths even if h._s._e._n. May not violate a lot of law and infusing zeno moderate their hate-filled community they have created an environment rebels and violating its spirit. So where were these as people well first of all eight. John is having a hard time. Staying online in cloudflare provides denial service attack protection. It is at a very high level. I use this use a club fare for denial of service protection. I'd get new central it <hes> it's proven itself worthy wince when my site has come on periodic attack which it has and <hes> but anyway it's it's a very reliable viable prices right type of service so we'll see what happens here. Eight chan is able to survive. They moved their main to another a provider <hes>. They're trying to stay in line but this is the reason cloudflare terminated the service with for them. What say you get news at gmail.com for your comments. The matrix the matrix made many of us sit back and wonder are we truly rulli living in a gordie organic life in a galaxy that is never ending. Are we truly that are we in anna video game and we think were organic. I guess it really doesn't matter right because we poke ourselves and we we feel but the matrix matrix returning to theaters august thirtieth dobie vision and atlas. It'll be available at cinemas in the united states and its marking its twentieth anniversary bursary. This classic will start a one week run on august thirtieth. The aim is he. W cinemas across the united states is full modernized form complete with adobe division picture and dolby atmosphere audio. You've had access to these home. It is the first time you can experience a movie on the big screen and of course those dodge it does bullet. Dodging scenes should be much more immersive. Are they gonna play back to back <hes> so if you want to relive the experience watched us nineteen ninety nine he is available and what a movie it was would you would you love to have a sequel to the matrix. I know why would he congratulations curiosity rover celebrate seven years since his thrilling mars touchdown time flies. It's been in seven years. Can you imagine that since nasr's curiosity robot aced it's red planet touchdown on the night of august fifth two thousand twelve rocket powered sky crane remember that lowered the car sized curiosity rover onto the floor of the gale crater cables then detach and flew off to crash land and intentionally a safe distance away. This was a big win. People went crazy over. This and curiosity has been going strong strong making exciting discoveries ever since the rover is determined that the ninety six mile wide one hundred and fifty million for kilometer crater has hosted a lake and a stream system in the ancient past and for the observations suggested this environment was for a long stretch of course curious he's also directed several surgeries of methane and <hes> which is very curious and of course since september two thousand fourteen curious he made it to curiosity mates invasive basic mount sharp the mysterious about the rises three point four miles into sky from gail center and of course six-wheeled robot began working its way up through mount cypress harpers foothills seeking more clues about mars wetter warmer past so <hes> so collecting science folks congratulations curiosity curiosity even though the wheels gotten beat up just a little bit nasa is seeking industrialization of low earth orbit with i s it s commercialization strategy. This is exciting. Of course we know. The i._s._s. is really on a tight budget budget. There had been talk about wanting to deorbit it. It's pretty crazy if you think about it but they got to pay for this thing in july thirty for speech at the i._s._s. Research research development conference nasa administrator. Jim abridged stein argued. It was central to build up commercial activities on the i._s._s. and elsewhere in low birth orbit decide just not just a space industry but overall nation's economy. He says research development projects on the i._s._s. Oh that was once folks. Let me turn down the volume of my computer so these videos that don't auto play don't do that again but anyway they say they want space to be utilized to improve the human condition here on earth with our d. on isis and they want this commercialization strategy ford and they went an increase in commercial mersal use and exciting. We'll see if they do help. Pay for this thing help. Pay for the upkeep help pay for the lifts all the stuff. That's going on because you know. The international space station is an expensive operation. It's expensive <hes> piece of gear that needs to resupply apply and continue parts and spacewalks and everything in between in a surprise announcement to the federal reserve plans real time payment services accessible to all. It's called fed now. So this real time payment system will be available by twenty twenty four for real time pima system such as ben mo in banking apps already exist but the federal reserve said most current services are closed loop so only people with the same app can transfer money each other in some apps can't reach all ten thousand different banks across the united states for the new inter-bank system system fed reserve speed up a settlement glaring process for payments between banks. It'll be available twenty four seven three sixty five days a year and we'll be initially admitted wanted to twenty five thousand dollar transfer fed now were printing banks of every size every community across the country to provide real time payments. This'll benefit both consumers small businesses the federal reserve said because it negates the need for expensive check cashing services high-cost short-term barring an overdraft and late fees very very exciting stuff here and <hes> this will help drive competition for those of us that do business online as well infrastructural infrastructural assists banks across the country broader payment history in their efforts to build modern innovative and safe payment services. We'll see where this leads. Keep an eye on this over the next excu years the seven best wifi routers for long range and reliability has been reviewed by make use of dot com the links e c twenty two onto easy twenty two hundred try ban wifi routers ranked number one that year nighthawk eight extra thousand is number two. That's what i have here here. In the studio extra thousand in the studio right now teepee link a c fifty four hundred try ban the net year or mesh wifi system system the range extender son number these here so linked up in the show notes check that out the president today announced that he wants social media to help detect mass shooters. You know i don't know if again do we don't wanna talk about gun control. That's a whole dynamic to move. You are very passionate about one way or the other and i respect your opinions on that individual opinions but following this mass shootings the president directed department justice team of local state and federal agencies to work harder harder to find potential attackers. He also called his social. Media companies developed tools to detect mass shooters before they strike again. I don't know how someone uploading a manifesto moments before they start pony trigger is going to be detected and reacted to just don't know but are they gonna start profiling us that could happen. We'll let's see here but <hes> anyway. He laid that out what he wants to do. Their own we'll see if <hes> faith thing is taken up more space news and mysterious the mysterious deep-space signals can now be picked up in real time like to know how they do this. They said the artificial intelligence bonilla tune into the odd entity known as fast radio zor fate fast radio bursts observed. They missed a reach earth in over the past dozen years scientists have and finding these fleeting signals that just bleep but now for the first time the powerful flashes a radio waves have been picked up the moment they arrive at earth. Dr student development automated system. They use the machine learning capture f._r._b.'s in real time the first effort was detected in two thousand seven with an observations from two thousand one most other deductions made by reviewing data after the fact don't know how they using this technology don't know how if they know that these things happen sir frequency if they're sitting on those frequencies it go into the checkout. They're doing this but they're able to collect them now. In retail real time article life hacker you want to delete voice recordings from eight l. e. say google facebook and s i r i do. You want to know how to delete those recordings. Will the folks over at life. Hacker have a good good instruction and how to do this with the a. l. e. x. system. You actually have to go to a website same thing with facebook same thing with google you have to actually go into these activity areas and actually delete your voice history so <hes>. I wish it would just get it's smarter. There's some words it just when i do voice tex. It just doesn't work senators banning the google's hundred twenty thousand temporary in contractors. Get full-time status. Google says it's not misusing its contractors temperatures ten democratic senators including presidential hopefuls camila harris bernie sanders and elizabeth warren has sent a letter to google urging the tech giant to stop its anti worker. Our practice validated july twenty fifth addressed to google c._e._o. Sundar pichai said the company's hundred twenty one thousand contracts and temporary workers should be promoted a fulltime status status goule model goo business model relies heavily on contract and temp workers so much so that the population is larger than its fulltime employees. Senator sherrod brown of ohio sent a letter team by the new york times and money google temps and contractors outnumber fulltime employees by nineteen thousand. It might company. It's just the opposite the center demand for workers also include prohibiting financial incentives wage in party in wage and benefit apparenlty limit on the use of independent contractors and temporary workers temporary or non-core work prohibition mandatory nondisclosure agreements elimination all non compete peak clauses in contracts and google's acceptance of liability for any work purse by workplace violations occur with independent contractors or temp workers very hard very hard to have a full-time contractor and keep them classified as a contractor or a temp worker to very hard. The i._r._s. is very very very strict on that. I don't know how they do it. I really i really don't but <hes> they do eighteen unlimited right a._t. And t.'s unlimited subscribers can get spotify premium for free so <hes> spotify prem- users added to eighteen supreme add ons at the carriers unlimited more subscribers get access. The offer begins a on on august sixth and subscribers get selected is to free sectors. One of two free add ons offered by a._t. And it remained free for the life of your subscription so <hes> another deal here by spotify google is saying it will use recycled materials in all of its hardware where products by twenty twenty two it also pledges a carbon neutral shipment program may twenty twenty wow so they pledged to include food recycled materials all make google products. What does that mean what percentage they say. <hes> gouzer would pledge make alvis shipments carbon-neutral an interview fast company goes out of hardware so the team was able to reduce emissions by forty percent switching from air shipments to cargo yeah. They don't say what percentage of recycled goods are going to use in their products. Get a small satellite. You built into the garage some of the pretty geeky and know that you're something you're doing some wild stuff but now if you have a small satellite between three hundred thirty thousand six hundred sixty pounds spacex is going to be doing some dedicated lifts tailored solely to small satellites now. Get this us if you have a three hundred pound satellite two point two five million dollars for the lift. If you have have a six hundred pound satellite four point five million for the left this beats all the major competition by big box walks and spacex months to help the those that have these smaller satellites. They need to watch and get him into the right orbit. <hes> they're going. You'd be offering these launches. Only out of california launch pad at this time and it'll be sun synchronous. Orbit is what they're what they're promising so oh that must be this optimal for that california. Launch site diverges reporting the amazon. Get this amazon on price alerts leaning sellers to raise prices on walmart. Now amazon directly causing third party sellers to to raise prices on their products. If those products are listed on competing storefronts at lower prices now this is potentially anti-competitive become a central piece of evidence evidence. The federal government's ongoing anti-trust but amazon is going so far as to openly demand listen to this. Oh at amazon's not going so so far as openly demand is third party sellers raise prices but amazon may want the seller lower the prices of an it's items on amazon to match prices on walmart warm also encourages sellers the match prices across platforms but walmart isn't as influential and amazon scans emergence sion's prices for listings on its marketplace platforming compares them to the same merchant listings on other platforms and then notifies seller of the disparity and it informs the business. This is the key that it may lose. Promotional benefits like a higher placement in search results prime shipping and access to buy now button due the difference in price which would lead to lower sales. The note says one of your current one or more of your offers is currently eligible for being featured richard a featured offer because these items are priced higher on amazon than at other retailers so <hes> amazon wants is to stay competitive as consumers we win when this happens race to the bottom a class action action zubov flung at capital one and getting hub over theft of one hundred six million of our privacy information so <hes> another class action lawsuit by somewhere that's gonna make some money and then the people that are actually affected forget about thirty cents grubbed seamless will deliver shake shack across the united states. What is shake. Shack haven't been to shake shack so sometime soon. You won't necessarily have to wait until the buzzer in your hand goes off to knowing your food is ready at shake shack. The popular burger chain burger chain is teaming up with grub grub for nationwide delivery across the united states and <hes> so shakes accedes. We came into consumer demand after saying at the end of last appeared. It's items are not intended to be half an hour after they're cooked and that dilbert didn't necessarily fit really well with its brand so <hes> i think they're going to try this and shake shack is going to be trying in four areas morningside heights in new york chicago's river north area limiting new the jersey interior connecticut. They plan to expand delivery shake checks one hundred fifty or so restaurants overly over the next nine months. I always said donations are always good. <hes> i was in a local retail store a couple these ago and they were taking donations for kids supplies so <hes> i think it's always good if you have a few extra bucks to be able to throw some school supplies in for those are needy. I know the teachers are often especially in white teachers always out of supplies kids. Just don't bring what they need to school it just just the way it is so a. L. e. x. a she lets you donate backpacks full of supplies to kids in need so when you tell your smart speaker another connected device a. l. e. x. Say you say to it donate to happy school year. Amazon will take you you through the ordering process for twenty five dollars pack pack for kid could really use one amazon will then match up to two hundred thousand dollars a donations with supplies such as pencils pens rulers notebooks it will ship the items to the nonprofit communities in schools. Which will then distribute them. This is a tax deductible donation and it'll be made available until september ninth those who donate we'll hear thank you message from a elliott from shit shaquille o'neal or for who also yes. That's it anyway so <hes> twenty five bucks you can donate to amazon to kim need for back to school supplies. You guys have heard me talk about cafe. Press right talked about about every insure on this show for probably thousand episodes was set up sam whenever are a lot of members albuquerque well cafe press has been hack twenty three million accounts compromise. Is yours one of them well. We don't know yet. It's he said little to be known at this point but it if you've got an email from have i been pawned a potentially have been leaked according according to have i been pawn notification <unk> on february twentieth no one's been notified and in total twenty three million two hundred and five thousand two hundred ninety accounts were breached and h. I. b. p. notification said the exposed david lee twenty three million youth email addresses some of the compromise records include physical addresses this phone numbers halverson send jim scott cyber researcher was supplied to breach data has been in touch to add the passwords are also among the compromise data so <hes> cafe press dot com change your password over in buzzfeed news a youtube terminate the account of a fourteen year old. Yes a fourteen year old over anti gay video. This is pretty. The shocking you do is remove the account of self a fourteen year old girl who committed nearly million dollars to a racist and anti muslim videos after she uploaded anti l._g._b._t._q. Video july thirty first in the video twelve anti-gay rant titled pride and prejudice so encourages their followers to make sure shirt to blame me in your manifestos. Oh that's not a good word address reference to the kind of document posts on eight chan carey according to you to the channel where's your moved of course with its strike system under which you to terminate accounts that violate its community guidelines three times ninety days in the case of soaps channel. The finest strike violated the site's community guidelines on hate speech after her channel was taken down she tweeted injure south what appears to be the salt rifle with the caption captured youtube headquarters here i come. She later removed the treat. The tweet said gun tweet obviously joke. She wrote in a follow up. Tweet is a fourteen year old. Where are her parents. Where are her parents. This is wow wow wow wow fourteen year old. Probably the parents lied to have a talking to simply incredible either. You don't make fourteen year and make that kind of threat threat. You're just ramifications here. We haven't heard the last of this according to the register. There's one trick that lets it's websites dodge crumbs seventy six defense when you force it to go into incognito mode. They've got away the tech back to you are even when you're in inky incognito mode so they're trying to fix it but they the open bug. We'll see what happens but it's it's a <hes>. It's an issue with the file system a._p._i. And and <hes> so anyway something's going on here the they'll get it figured out but <hes> incognito may not be as incognito issue wants. It's thought it was the late neil armstrong would have been eighty nine today. So <hes> of course fifty years today the astronauts spent his birthday in quarantine after returning from the moon so <hes> would have been again his eighty ninth birthday samsung galaxy watch active to brings back benzel control just six months after i watch active. There's a new model in town so it's a less expensive of course this year samsung reason a less expensive smartwatch focus on feet on fitness now just six seven companies launched in the galaxy. Watch active tuna paraded in refined version of the original samsung is it discontinued the first model continue to sell both so if you're samsung samsung galaxy watch fan this available definitely check it out in august two thousand nineteen security patches rolling out out now two picks a phones central phone is also getting update without skipping a beat so this is a android security update and there's is the usual array of vulnerability physically updates of framework media framework etcetera etcetera. If you've got a pixel or essential you'll be getting this update eight article vice dot com. It's pretty pretty damning talks about google employees alleging discrimination against pregnant women in viral memo the title the title and i'm not returning to google after maternity leave and here's why has been read by more than ten thousand employees at the company this this memo accuses the company of discrimination retaliating surfer being pregnant last week when posted a memo and to internal journal company message board for expecting in new mothers mental was reposted to other internal message boards since gone viral multiple current google employees in different parts of the company the toll motherboards since then ablaze have been posting means that have gathered thousands of likes the means were in support of the woman on internal message board members follows the the metal follows months of worker action at google play staged worldwide walkout etc but she says i'm sharing the statement because opened formed. These informs needed change. How google handles discrimination harassment retaliation this is a long read but the details important understanding often drown out isolating as leading people experience at victims discrimination asmant retaliation also anything so what happens. You know that you're not alone. It's twenty twenty. Three hundred words long lewis's our manager me discriminatory remarks about her pregnant about her about pregnant women she. She says he reported reported manager human resources which she alleges spurred retaliation. She said they documented what my boss was saying retarded h._r. To ask help navigating situation situation is was share to others reported my manager behaving inappropriately in that feedback it already been given to her. I still my comments might be shared directly with my boss but not worry because a strong measures are in place at gouda prevent retaliation all most yearly pa may discussion with h._r. My manager demeanor toward me change and and drastically i endured months of anger chanson emails vetoed projects her ignoring me during in person encounters and public shaming wow how woman who was also a manager said eventually join another team but wasn't allowed to mention any legitimate team to return from maternity leave. She claims she she was told that her maternity leave might stressed the team. In rock the boat she says that she and her baby it potentially life threatening complications toward the end of the pregnancy and she need to materially materially earlier than expected but wow it just goes on and on an odd really it was a woman manager. Let me okay. I'm will take a dive here. Whatever the manager was was a mom just more and more of this kind of stuff. The intercept has a really long exposes called the may today to trap and <hes> government whistleblowers are are increasingly being charged under laws such as espionage act but they aren't spicer ordinary americans like most kitty carry smartphones automatically get backed up upset cloud when they want to talk someone send a text or call them on the phone these g melcher memes and talk politics facebook than during the course of the work work. They see something disturbing me is the government has no idea of the people kills don't treks or civilians. Anyway just goes on and on and on and on here. It's a pretty long long expose. It's interesting right up by intercept. Let you take a review on it. Let me know what you think geek news at and she mail dot com. Are you got an email from jack and he said todd right down. Audience settings equipped to use regency in august. I the clarity was great. The best spent in months if not years i could hear all all the small audio details. I could even tell your voice was a bit rough. It sounded like light allergies instead of overuse. You sound like you're talking to small table and a very quiet room. What was your location while treatment the recording. I'm right here in the front of the office. Jack didn't change anything equipment qualification. I was listening. I'm a phone with a bluetooth ear buds. I've been using this for about a year now. Very good with audie qualities instantly noticed audio difference when i started the podcast. I didn't think i changed nothing. There was no settings changed. I have no idea i'm i'm kind of bamboozled just a little check. It did not think it's the same. Does this album the same. Today i have no oh though where the idea maybe the mike was just positioned just so i don't know anyway. This is going to bring me to the end of today's show. Well thank you all for your ongoing listening support sport to the sponsors those either insiders ongoing donations have it's a one time donations donations. Come in those are greatly appreciated geek news central dot com forward slash insider. That's the place to go. That's the place to donate. This is where we need you to be. While we're intern here doing everything we're doing. I see the cast going out and <hes> not as much coming coming in but that's to be expected to this final sprint here to get this <hes> studio done or it everyone thanks for being here. Thanks for being part of family. This thing is going to be beautiful. I'm really <hes> i want you to see. I really do i. It's gonna be exciting being to do the final video walk through the production in the new studio and evenly split my time where he'd get the studio down in columbus dowd into hugh could video setup there so you can have a double experience and of course there'll be times when i'll just beyond the road and <hes> sign of recording into my rhode caster and <hes> that's what i'm sitting with sitting on the desk. Maple will move into the new studio check. I don't know already one. Thanks for being in here. Thanks for being part of the pantley geeked news team. Dot com is the email address was see you on thursday for another dish eaten central podcast or would take care bye bye.

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Building a Better Internet with Michelle Zatlyn, COO of Cloudflare

Mission Daily

49:14 min | 7 months ago

Building a Better Internet with Michelle Zatlyn, COO of Cloudflare

"Welcome to mission daily. This is producer. Rachel Khania today. Chad sits down with Michelle. ZETLAND CO founder and Chief Operating Officer of cloudflare cloudflare is a mission driven company focused on helping to build a better internet today. The company services services more than one billion unique Ip day as they strive to build an internet that is faster and more importantly secure Michelle was an immediate rockstar in the tech world founding cloudflare right after graduated from Harvard along with her co founders in two thousand nine Michelle was one of the key reasons cloudflare so quickly grew into a billion dollar company and was most recently the face of cloudflare flare when they ring the bell at the New York Stock Exchange going public last month on this episode of Mission Daily Michelle shares the origin story of cloudflare the importance in process of helping to build a better internet. And what it's like coming from Canada and competing in the US market mission daily is created by our team at mission dot Org Michelle. Welcome thanks so much for having me. Thanks for hosting US offices. This is gorgeous. It's right down the street from our new office. This is great. It's exciting to have you here. You're CO founder. CEO of cloudflare. If we were to just meet casual conversation you know. How do you describe your role in the company I well I started cloudflare nine years ago in their CEO? And always say that coffers mission is to help build a better internet and and and when I when people's like what does that mean our customers are Internet properties so websites APPs. API's blogs anything connected online. They can use cloudflare and we helped make sure are. We protect our customers from cyber security attacks Make sure they have global performance around the world and they're always online and so it's been nine years and In those nine years we have over two million customers who have signed up for the service and everyone from nonprofits organizations like the Trevor Project or The women's global march to small businesses to entrepreneurs around the world Two big companies ten percent of the one thousand like Lori L. starbucks almond so it's been it's been quite the ride very cool and I'm curious in the early days of the company. Every company has an origin story What's that story like? It's it's not it's never just one idea or insight. What does that idea or insights or collection of them? That led you to start cloudflare. Sometimes I think that the cloudflare story is almost like a fairy tale in many ways put. Silicon Valley is made out of So we started cloudflare. The clutter origin story goes back to being students. We are doing our. MBA's at Harvard business in school out in Boston and one of my classmates that I kind of knew from from school had done something before business school With third CO founder Lee cult project honey pot and project. honeypot help track spammers online. And this was back in the two thousands and he was just really proud of this initiative. This open source community based project that they had created and Matthew is my classmates name. He was always really proud of project honey pot and finally we kind of had this conversation of Matthew always talk about project honey pot. What is it and he said? It's a community based service that helps tracks web spam online. I said okay. How many websites sites have signed up for it? He's like eighty thousand and I thought that sounded like a lot of people thought eighty for a community based no budget shoestring you string project. I thought how. How did they hear about you talk about you know different forums online until each other and I was like? Okay what do they get for signing up. He's he's like well they help install honeypots on their websites to help track the militias behavior. All the information comes back to project honey pot and I thought okay and then what do you do with that. He's like what we work with the law enforcement agencies to go fine the bad actors to help get them off line and I thought doesn't take a long time. He said yes years and then I went back to like. Why does anyone use your service us? And it was through that banter back and forth at. He said one day they want to create a service using that data that actually stops the militias actors and that was kind of the. Aw I do not know a lot about web spammers or cybersecurity tax online but as I started to spend more time working on this with Matthew at school in Lee this idea was like wow weiler's real problem there There weren't good solutions. It was really ripe for technical solution and next thing I knew we entered the business plan competition at at business school. We won and the next thing I knew we were packing things up in a u haul and driving it across from Boston to San Francisco. We showed up here in the summer of two thousand nine to see if we can make our idea Reality and now here we are twelve hundred people later lots of customers around the world doing exactly that making the internet faster safer more reliable so cool and I'm curious snow in the early days when you're on that road trip when you're coming out here when you get here with that experienced like you know do you have warm interest. Everyone are you getting cold. intros doors is getting slammed. What's going on? I've been now in the barrier for ten years and it's really easy to become cynical but like there are some released by an and the silicon valley is silicon. Valley is not perfect at all all but there are some things that are just so incredible. This place I mean we literally showed up knowing nobody We were not we did not have reputations. We did not have A lot of connections ends but at the couple can actually had like they made introductions to people they knew and the one great thing about barriers. People will meet you right. You don't doesn't matter what you're a Rolodex. Looks like or what your last name is or if if someone says hey she really meet. Chad usually read. I might meet Michelle Shirley Matthew. They're like okay. And the meat you for coffee and take the meeting and I think that openness is a real strength of the bay area and one that does not exist in a lot of places in the world and so I think that's very special troll. The other thing we showed up. That was just like so interesting. Is that people. Here are all working to build. What you've Kinda hang out at night when you're at the bar you go to parties? Everyone's talking about what they're working on what they're trying to build these ideas and and it's really people are ambitious in its empowering. It doesn't mean it always works out but that's what people spend their time time talking about which again one where the cities before that wasn't what people's but they're talking about so I think those are two really unique aspects and and served us well as we as we built cloudflare here and I love to focus on that aspect that makes Silicon Valley unique. which is people being willing to take meetings people being willing to talk about ideas that are maybe difficult to talk about powder things like that When I was before I came here I was in? DC and it was a culture of this is my network. I'm not introducing. Everyone's difficult to talk about sci fi like there's so many topics topics that just don't get brought up. So what was the culture like in Boston. And how did you adjust to the culture out here. How did you learn how to help it or make it work for you instead of against you? He and I wouldn't even say Boston actually grew up in Canada so I grew up in Scotland but I spent a lot of time in Montreal. Toronto before I came here and so and I had lived in Boston and New York but it was really. I was a student in Boston and that was great but it was really if I think about my time in Toronto which I love. It's a great city in it's exploding on the tech scene today whether there is good or bad tackling innovation really fuels the bay area and eighty percent of the conversations. Here fueled around around that these other cities like New York Tronto are much more diversified. You know there's big banking there's banking. There's a lot of other industries and so the invasion pieces actually just some small sliver and and so you might have ten conversations and maybe two people care and the other eight or just not really interested interested right there the bank or they WanNa talk about the raptors for the maple leafs or whatever it is and and that's awesome. Sure here eight out of your ten in conversations people WanNa know more and who can introduce you to and actually. That's what ends up driving a lot of people to leave because they find over time. That's very annoying where they like. Actually I want I need more diversity But it is something that makes it easy. I think it is very helpful for people who are in that camp of. I'm trying to build something. I'm trying to to to put something for four to be surrounded with people like that. Who say okay? How can I help you? achieve that versus has to in ten conversations being helpful and other Abyan like. I don't really get what you're doing and or or AM I. I'm not really interested in hearing what you're doing and so I think that that that that was a big difference The other thing that was that was different. This is less of a Boston for San Francisco but I would say more Again as a Canadian here the US is just such a big market and it's such a competitive place and people really are very very ambitious. That is unlike a lot of other places in the world and I noticed that when I first came down to the US from Canada where Canada's amazing but it's more more like let's get along and like let's build together here People WanNa win and that does take an adjustment if you're not from an a in the valley it's not only do you WanNa win. It's I want to build something really really big. Yeah and I want to. It's like helping one million people isn't really considered cool here. It's how do you help a hundred million alien and now it's like a two hundred million or five hundred million in the bark is getting higher and higher over time which again is both incredibly exciting. But also has downsides. I think stress relief. Yeah and so. That's an interesting point too. Because I think hyper competition has aspect. We're just snuffs off south people streams and happens very slowly And then non-competitive markets and blue oceans. Or whatever. You WanNA call them right. They're more fun to be in. So how do you think about that as your managing all the operations and the people how do you kind of steer the company towards those blue oceans and stay away from nightmares. I meet a lot entrepreneurs having built Koffler for nine years. I get to meet a lot of amazing entrepreneurs who are Kinda different stages other ahead of me or behind me and one one piece of advice that I bet so insured with US early on that I think we really took a heart. That's been true that I continue to carry forward as a piece of advice is if you're going to build a company have a mission so so interesting 'cause we're here with mission dot org. You have a really good domain. Yeah it was added mission but I do think people humans especially today WanNa be part of something agreed and it's a lot of jobs in the bay area a lot but I go. I interviewed a lot of people I mean like I wanna work at a place where I'm proud of the work. I'm doing where I'm passionate about it. which another which is another way of saying what what what is your mission as business? Can I get passionate or interested in that and so back to your question. I think that this sense of trying to build something where you're like. Oh this is what we're trying to achieve as a as a company that that an armistice to help build a better internet and early on people came to work for us or find funded us from financing's to investing standpoint customers came and signed up for our service because of that because of that mission and it stays true today and I think that it's one of those things where if you went and just randomly ask people around the cloud floor the office after this interview. Why do you work cloudflare? It would definitely be one of their top three reasons. I think the other two things they would dare. I Love my colleagues and it feels like a team and so but that's that's amazing. I think that as an entrepreneur. It's not just solving the business problem. We have to solve a problem a meaningful meaningful problem for your customers. But like what's your overarching coaching mission. As a company and those are the companies that I think ended up being very enduring and do really amazing things definitely and they're always the ones to the customers have an easy easy way to talk about it. Because you're not if the product is too complex or it's not only works ninety percent of the time. Stop going to get recommended but if you can get a heartfelt recommendation which is how I mean I became. I'm aware of cloudflare. It was a technical person who had been CIO of a large company was like you're getting a DDOS attack because of this and like you need to get serious about this. So I guess awesome translate way into what's the current state of cybersecurity on the Internet. Obviously it's A rabbit hole and we can go as far as we want. But what does the average like you know. Website owner small business or maybe a sea level personnel enterprise. Right now what are you. What are they need to know which are kind of like briefing for them today if you have anything connected to the internet which many many people and businesses do you are very exposed to different security threats and it's not just the big companies is or the governments that are getting attacked? It's small businesses it's individuals and your story. It's kind of like why. Why are they attacking dot? Org usually where two years old ars in its dot org come on probably a company but it's like a regular website it's this thing where it it impacts people and businesses in all sized businesses whether you're a nonprofit to a large organization so that that that's kind of the state and that's very violating as a business owner entrusts folks really. Okay why I'm I'm here to build podcasting and make that accessible in that content and now have to worry about cyber security threat. WHO's trying to live in an adversary standing in front of me? Like that's how I got into this business. Sure so one one thing that I will say today versus even five years ago as the solutions are way better and I mean Koffler. I'm really proud of the work. We're doing because I think that we help really solve this for our customers. So of these two million customers we have both free paying customers who use cloudflare. Every day. We stopped forty four billion with a B. Cyber attacks on on on their behalf. Well and you're like wow that's pretty amazing. We're relatively still young company and our customers don't have to worry about it anymore. Because part of it or they have worry less about it. That's that's probably too strong a cybersecurity. You're never one hundred percent protected. The ideas that as cloud has become more prevalent and computing power has become really more powerful. Actually becomes a really great candidate to be solved from a technical solution using cloud. Ai Solutions and that's what Koffler is. And we've been doing that for you. You know nine years. We re enlist berry globally distributed Google cloud platform and we leverage all of the data across all of our customers to help provide the best cyber security solutions for all of those customers. Almost like a neighborhood. Watch every new customer. We gain helps protect all the other customers using conflict too and so the attacker that you saw from mission dot org like that now helps protect somebody else on our network because we saw that attack factor for example So it's very powerful. which is Great? And we're not the only ones doing this but it's it's this idea of taking it from businesses used to try and solve with each individually saying no no. What's what's band together and use a collective resource and share the collective data now with ai to be able to do all that machine learning algorithms and again cloud computing allows to enable all of this? I think that's been great so so it's hard as a business owner Today but I think there are the solutions and you know I was talking to somebody earlier today. I think seven years from now argo coffers is to have solved this problem for the Internet you know majority solved like I think we're going to be such a better place seven years from now and so to get from here to there. You have to take it seriously in. Some businesses are further along than others but progress is getting made and I again. I think seven years from now. We'll be in a much better place as an Internet. Sure and I'm sure threats are going to evolve. All of them looked new. And there's going to be brand new things to combat. So there's it's definitely a market where there's no shortage of excitement. I'm curious where do you get your information. And a lot of the you know you have a professional development routine reading cult of the dead cow. What kind of books are you reading these? From a security standpoint we are are we leverage the data from all of our customers to help again we have you know algorithms machine learning to to find patterns saying hey this This IP coming to mission dot org and then going to one of our other customers Fraction of seconds later is not a typical human behavior of this. This looks like a box or is this person coming to the legitimate or is it. Is it bought so we do a lot of things on that side and it's when we when a new attack comes out that we don't know about we often get benched running because we have so many customers were able to patch it for our customers. So it's this hour making the Internet better so that's great in terms of what I'm reading. I mean that's I read a lot a lot of different things. Can I love that. We help make Internet safe are just one of a small group of things that we do for our customers. We always make things faster more reliable and make it easy to adopt new standards wondered. And so what I'm reading. These days is the new Melinda Gates Book. I've recently Michelle Obama's becoming book which was just absolutely. I love that whether whatever your politics politics are just thought it was a great story about being a working professional A mother What it's like to kind of think that a dream is never going to happen and then and also next thing you know you're the first lady the United States and and it's very much a fairytale story as well so there's actually a lot of parallels to I think starting a company that actually really takes off off you never know kind of becomes out of your control at something and and the good and bad like the struggles that come both the opportunity in the struggles? I thought that was really interesting. I just got the new bill. McDermott book who you know who he has been the CEO SAP Las many years. He just stepped down and now he's going to run service service now and John Service now is going to go to Nike. There's kind of like a whole CEO swap recently. So I just started to read his book. So I've a couple of different. Aren't things going on. Different dimensions. A love yeah. Thanks for sharing outside of books is there any maybe new form of media. You're enjoying whether it's like podcast or you know an original all series or Vr or anything like that Well so I read a lot for tax as an entrepreneur actually think breeding th Raider which you learn actually your greatest asset the founders. who have a really high rate of learning or actually ended up being the best founders in my opinion and so I read all the time I read a lot of much more short form content and so I know you recently had him on your show? So Jason Lumpkin and I think if you're building us. Ask any any entrepreneurship. Follow Jason I mean he's like mine. Try to get around him in person because I think that level of intensity intensities something that it. It's good to be around right 'cause sometimes you'd never seen somebody that's like that fired up about something and exactly and he just is a gift to every entrepreneur there his insight on how to get to the first million revenue. How do you get the first ten million then okay? Ten million two hundred million. I just there aren't very many. There are a couple other people writing about it but it's just so current current and he knows. BB SAS incredibly well. He knows consumer a little bit less but a lot of topics both for the entrepreneurs and then early stage implies. I just think make you feel like this is super helpful and that short-form so I love I love reading when he went. What he's doing? I listened to some podcast. So it's great again Mission Dot Org which is Great My husband runs helps podcasts with his service. So He's right and my husband helps run a runs. A company called Sonics which transcribes all audio tax to And so along podcasters uses service. And so he's always telling me about all the cool. I kind of have my own search recommendation. Asian finder through through my husband. That's great So those are some of the different things that I'm a big twitter. I spent a lot of time. I find that there's some really great content content on twitter people kind of going back to open one thing to meet people in person that people also share their thoughts online and e. Almost these people almost become your mentors. You don't even you need to know them right. And then so much. The short form content to it's easy to remember it's more of like a heuristic right because Lila Lumpkin stuff. I can remember back in the early days in Other CO founder. And I would just be like in our garage recording stuff and repeating because we only have one client at the time we close salesforce. And we're like I think every enterprise will want tended twenty of these things are the sponsorships that were selling. It was a hypothesis. People thought it was done but we just went around repeating. Get One you can get to if you get get to and get ten. But those this type of like short-form heuristic are awesome. They're awesome when you're building a company which is very hard. You're listening to this man. This is so hard it's hard for everybody and sometimes you just need that little okay. Yeah one customer. Okay Grad and. I'm going to get my set cans and and it's kind of one foot after another and and sometimes you just I. I used when I used to say well. We're we're we're twelve hundred people today so a little bit further along Spiel at smaller. What used to say was earlier in the company life stages stages? What I used to say was one conversation or like one little inset like that could dramatically change the course of your company? Yeah it goes from thinking like Oh this is a fluke. They're just they felt bad for us or whatever to wave maybe not and So tickets back to two thousand nine two thousand ten where there any you know. I Ki- clients was there. A collection of them was an investor. WHO's a big inflection? Point early on so we showed up here in the U haul. It was actually Matt to be Fair Matthew and his mother a WHO drove the u-haul from Boston to San Francisco. So just think to yourself what I draw drive a U. Haul across the country with my mother. That's what he did with my stuff in it which was very nice. I flew here which was like anyway. I think you can decide who got the WHO got the better end of that stick. But I'll super grateful sweet showed up here and I think that some of the initial title inflection points. That mattered a lot. I is we had this idea and you have to kind of decide. Is there actually company around this idea like is it. Are you solving a meaningful problem. That people people care about and just remember early on we had. It was so hard to get our first ten customers very hard to get our first one hundred customers like Berry hard. Hardy's keep track every day like it was not you know today. We signed up thousands of thousands of day but the first hundred customers took months. Because it's hard to get those first customers we really were hustling and so we didn't really have data to look acts. We only had ten or fifteen or twenty customers. It's hard to have very many. It's certainly not statistically significant but early on some of the qualitative feedback that our customers would give I remember those one Customer of ours back saying Oh my God like my I paid your. I used to get woken up every night at two in the morning because some Krahn job would nocco her. My server and I'd get paged. I put Koffler in front of my site two days ago from the last two nights. I've actually been able to sleep through the night the first time in five years and the first time five years. And they're like thank you. Thank you thank thank you and it was such a like A. It was a qualitative piece of feedback. But you're just like wow we're solving. I didn't think about that particular use case when we're building our problem. You're trying to take you how to stop the the the bad thoughts from taking stealing resources from your server but this was an example of what that translated to them and I think those gave gave us To fuel to both recruit the next engineer we need to recruit we talk about that on an interview process. Sure we use that anecdote when we were talking to investors and I think that solving meaningful problems that people are willing to share on my God. This has actually profoundly impacted. Me was is really really helpful early on in those early days and and kept giving us the fuel to say okay. Send the next ten emails. Because maybe only one of those or converting so the data looks bad but the ones that are converting they really liking the service writing and then in and keep making progress against that so early on that matter at a time for us and then the second thing I would say is we had this vision of cloth of helping take resources that a lot of the Internet. Giants have You know Google Dot Com amazing Internet property that's always online and they employ a lot of people to make sure that's the case. And how do you create that as a service for everybody else the rest of the world. Because most people don't have the technical expertise that Google can hire though is what we kind of how we thought about it earlier on and I remember meeting some of these investors and like some investment i. I won't be part of this because I believe it will help make the Internet like a better place and more welfare playing field and so I think having that kind of big pitcher early on and we didn't quite use the mission of helping to build better intranet that came a little bit later but we were able to describe this what we saw in that led us to raise some money early on which then made gave us some resources bill to go a little bit faster and hire people and engineers and what not to get a little bit of office beige or to to make further so it was those two things I think some of the capital upfront which you know Silicon Valley. So while known for Schmor- We raised two million dollars which today sounds like a little bit of money back to late. Two two thousand nine. It was a lot of money and I just remember thinking we show up here. No one knows us. We have an idea. We have a working prototype and someone's going to give us two million dollars to go see if we can make it happen like there's not many places in the world where that happens now that a personal guarantee and people coming to collect right exactly right exactly and they're like yeah. Let's go see unlike great. Let's see what you can do with it. You know it's like I remember us. Dad was just like they're gonNA give you how much money because it just seems like a little bit anywhere else. You like like. That doesn't make an example back in Maryland. We're just like that's a scam and like early employees. Their parents were like what is this. MLM or something like no please please right exactly like because you just because you. It's it's but that's what has made the valley really special place and so I think those two things married together word initial feedback from our customers. Plus Ah some of some capital to help us get going. This cloth was not a business. We a finance with our credit cards. Sure and revenue came later not early. There's some businesses where it comes earlier. which are amazing businesses in our? It was not like that. So how do you build the capacity for patients during the time where you're pre revenue where you know that you have to. You're basically making like a negative carry trade for a long time it's unpleasant. So what was that like. You know going through that period where you're earning money trying to get to wherever you're at revenue wise is in product wise to grow here. This is one thing that I haven't heard a lot of people talk about but I think as a founder you get to pick the metrics to measure and what I always as pick like a few. You don't need to maybe five. We had five. You can before five three four five some tennis too many so kind of some Reasonable number and pick metrics that move that change so for us we knew revenue was going to be slower to come because because we had to build a global network before we get a lot of revenue fired so that wasn't really a great first metric to pick because it was going to move slowly. You know we have a had a free service and a twenty dollar a month service. That's amazing but it's twenty dollars. It takes twenty dollars a month to really move the needle revenue. So anyhow so we didn't use that earlier we looked at it. It was one of the measures measures of success that we used Again I think as an entrepreneur you have a lot of you actually can pick the metrics that matter are for your business and that's what we did until we picked ones that moved until for example. Give you an example Really early on we. We don't use this anymore because it makes sense today. Hey but it didn't make sense back. When we were eight people were killing? CLOUDFLARE was number of page views being powered by CLOUDFLARE's global cloud platform and so the idea idea was one site signed up and they got ten thousand page views. macachek can see that you're going to be able to build that. Ah How many page views were we servicing through this this service. We were building now. Houses the Internet growing how many new websites are coming me online exactly so it was a good metric because there was a you know one state might Senate with ten thousand and the next day another state might sign up and they had five hundred thousand page views that metric actually didn't grow linearly within number nine net new customer signing it for cloudflare and it was an important metric for us we had to deliver where to service those page page views so there is an operational component to it but it was also changing quickly and so I think it helped take into account scaling needs and two and helped communicate how quickly we were growing because revenue did not look like that early on and so that's an example of a metric that we picked early on that again we we we retarded after the first four years but for the first four years we was the first light of every board deck. That's what we looked at and it was important for our business so entrepreneurs have a lot if if you have revenue upfront. That's growing quickly. It should definitely be on there like today. That's the you know. We look at revenue per employee. We think that's a really interesting metric but an important metric I agree I think that's fascinating right. Because you hired a certain rate and whatnot and stop the finding just like companies by TAC. This is media traditional or whatever and just are you performing right exactly exactly and so we early revenue that's great metric if you don't that's bad metric because it's going to be like negative or zero. It's actually it's going to be zero for a long time or just look really really really often. I just don't think it tells you anything and so you have to find metrics that matter a lot for you thirty that we cared a lot about was on the cost side because we wanted to be able to be very efficient and how we deliver Lavar service and you know how much it costs us to service our customers upfront. We were like hey we have to drive these costs down today. You know just I think that decision upfront front of us. Being my manacle this idea to be able to deliver by the traffic for the lowest cost base as possible because we had this free service twenty months service and today we have north of seventy seventy seven percent gross margins which is which is really good for business like ours. But that's because of decision. We made nine years ago and and that type of delayed gratification is something that is it's easy to say hard to do When you were going through that process of delaying revenue at what point did you realize okay? Now's the time to turn it on. You know you go through that for years. You recruit key engineers maybe did you raise another round or yes we we before we went publicly raised. Go over three hundred million in venture. I'm now we just raised about five hundred twenty five million went public so almost billion in capital. At this point I've raised but before for a lot of Ventura three insurance we had two million than twenty and and so on in that process. Like as as you're raising money were you sold on an IPO. Right away or were you was like that is that the direction is that. Yeah just curious to know what's your thought he will go. Public is just another financing events. knows never. It's never been in the end goal ever but what was the end goal early on was we knew that cloth will either be a big company or not exist a company. It does not make sense. medium-sized business these. You have to build like we run. Run Club has point presence in one hundred ninety four cities around the world. And when I say we've appointed presidents it's like we have hardware that we've bought Routers routers switches that. Sit In one hundred ninety four cities around the world. And because if you're on vacation in Cape Town South Africa going to say Using in trump property using koffler. You'll hit club. I pointed presence in Johannesburg South Africa and that makes experience better and more reliable for people legitimate people in Cape Town. Or if you're a militias bought coming out of Cape Town and get stopped reading Johannesburg so it never sees the businesses server. Maybe they're are unknown hosting at Aws Eastern Ashburn like it. It back in the United States for example Virginia back in the United States. So it's it's much more closer to where they where the other person or the militias activities happening. We knew. We wanted to build a global network to be close to where people were connecting on lines with to be very we spread out around the world that costs money. There's like we have a real cap expense to our business and we had to be in lots of places to make this happen. I'm so we you knew this early on and so that makes sense if you have a lot of people using the services and you can get paid for a lot of that if you have a lot of businesses signing up if it's a if it's a resource that a lot of people use and then it's a good business if no one uses it then you're like only a few people use an. It's not a good niche. Business is a way to kind of think about it so we knew early on. I would rather be bigger not exist. And so we were very encouraged in early days bilateral traction and then eventually over time how businesses were willing able to two adopted and pay for it and so for us going public was never issued another financing event. It's just one step and I still think you know I. I say this internally. All the time. It's kind of become my my. I'm known for it and we said it in the roadshow video the very last thing it's like and we're just getting started the guy I think it's just like a very early chapter apter in cloudflare's history will yeah. I couldn't agree more because one hundred ninety four cities. How many more are there's many more cities in emerging markets and everywhere Michelle when you are running into somebody whether it's a small medium or large sized business. I'm curious if they're having problems. That cloudflare could solve how do you. How do you talk talk about it? And is there a simple breakdown. How do you pitch the product? One third of the time a customer comes with some sort of security knee they say. Hey We are worried about getting hacked. were knocked off. Long because of De dos attack or hey this new software `vulnerability and we're not protected from it And can you help me. Answer is yes we can help. We have a firewall. With Adidas does Lucia and we have a lot of different security solutions. That help protect our customers from a range of cybersecurity attacks and so that that's a third of the time but how we talk to customers. They have they. They feel exposed for security standpoint or they were breached and they're like okay now we have to figure out how we're going to protect ourselves going forward. We help that other times. It's customer says I'm always targeted entrepreneur. Recently she was building a company should base in. Singapore was a mobile APP service. And she's like my my apple so terribly slow and so on said sign up for cloudflare. I use your service and now it's fast everywhere. Will you might users were in Taiwan and while you've black made my service so much faster and plus I get this peace of mind because of the security I feel like now like I. I've seen my users like rate grow. Oh because it's actually functioning like people would One of her customers would expect. And so you know mobile performance Any company that has any any startup or nonprofit or company that has visitors that are very global services like cloud will make a lot faster with lots of stats that sit like if you weren't aren't using anything before it will be twice as fast which you definitely notice if you're using something before you mean you'll see a lift of probably somewhere between twenty and thirty five percent based on what you're using before and so that's that's really powerful and then there's a third of customers who come for Some sort of reliability need where they'll like an ECOMMERCE store black Friday's coming up and they're like I'm really worried about staying online during during that. How can you help? Give me redundancy and reliability. You talked about celebrities using you. Know you've been connected to those when a musician is about to launch a new tour date. They get a flat flaw traffic to their site. It's actually really hard from a reliability standpoint to solve that makes that easy you can distribute the load and you have looked great load balancing built in and so we we have a bunch of customers who come for that name. So that's the the two areas that I'm most excited about and so we have lots of customers come from these performance security reliability needs and. It's like everyone. Everyone has that every size of business wants to be more fast more reliable source Mr Cure. So it's great you know to the areas that I'm so excited about with cloudflare is as an employee I've never liked the corporate. VPN That my company is as an as an employee that I've ever had to use like they're clunky they're slow like they'd never work Sean. I'm travelling just like can't get on. VPN's can't look up the document. Slow until cloudflare launch called access and we use it here so I am out of all of our products. It's one that I that has made the most difference in my life because as a executive here I can now get behind the corporate. VPN and it's like magic. It's it's fast everywhere around the world whether I'm in the Cape Town South Africa or just in DC yesterday or going to to Lisbon in two weeks. It's it's magical and nobody likes corporate. Be Piano until you've met access and the people love it and so I think that's something I'm really excited about. And we have a lot of customers who post start ups and big companies who Again no like Scorpion. They start to use access than they really adopted and they see huge decreases poor tickets internally like when customers on ninety percent percent decrease of internal support tickets after they ran their access pilot. That's a big drop. You noticed that so those are the things where you're like that makes you come back up in WANNA come back torch March okay. There's something here in the last thing. which is if you're really talented engineer to you are GonNa work for a company that delivers result like that? Because you're going to be hanging hanging out with periods from all your other companies so that's that's incredible and where you can collaborate into. Hey this isn't working at its. It's awesome and the last thing that I'm super excited about talking about engineers seniors. which is this idea of service computing? Which is people used to code on on premise hardware or servers and then they use a lot of cloud computing computing today like Google cloud or your aws and obviously those businesses are growing really really well and quickly but there are some applications nations? Were doing it at the cloud at a centralized cloud point is still too far away. So what Ki- move out to the edge for edge computing and and again in one hundred ninety four cities around the world. So can you take some of those computing tasks that you would typically do on a getting. GCP your Aws Instance and say. Well how do I move closer to the person actually connecting and so we have something called workers. It's based in go and Jarvis Krypton ten roster not much different programming languages basically program whatever you want the edge and it's really amazing. The problems at solving for customers and toys very early innings but for the technical engineers like you talked about that like people are like this is amazing because it's too slow on the server side and getting people to install things on the client side is also hard distribution of that is hard. How do you get users to download the APP petard? And so Tessa. There's a third place to write. Code DOE is super interesting definitely and when it comes to recruiting engineers or key executives were in the bay area. WBZ difficult any advice there. Any stories that you WANNA share about how to recruit retain and nurture talent. I think that the you know this is one of those things where some people are really really good at it. And if you're good at this then you have a huge leg up two other Entrepreneurs there some people are not good at it. It's great if this is something that you're good at Because at the end of the day it's all about people doesn't matter how good your idea media doesn't matter how great your mission is if you can assemble a group of people rowing in the same direction. You will not get to where you're going and you know early on Matthew Lien I. I spent a lot of time recruiting. We were our recruiters Because people come to work for you not the recruit not not a recruit. Are they come. I'm to work for their manager today with a great recruiting team but are hiring. Managers are still they spend twenty twenty five percent of their time for cruising for their teams and are expected to be heavily involved because he had people come Wanna come work for their managers. I think that that is one of those places where you just can't outsource it. You can work with EXC executive recruiters to help with the process with House with help. Sourcing the candidates for them today. It's you own the process manager. They don't own the process and I think that's some businesses some entrepreneurs do this great and some do less great. If you're in the West Great Camp You can get better at it will serve you all and if your attic attic keep going because it's a huge asset. I'm amazed both from a candidate perspective. Who will say just was like a terrible experience? And they'll talk. Yeah so it's it's better. They have a good experience completely. Agree and when it comes to the bay area's future. Are you based here are yeah I mean. I'm sure you have a home near the office. But what are you thinking about for the future of San Francisco for the bay area anything. You're really excited about worried about. I mean the Perez so special so again it's been so good to us. We could not have built cloud for anywhere else ten years ago like we really couldn't have I think if you're starting and company today it's it's not so clear that the barrier is the best place to start and that's sad for the bay area it's for other parts of the world. I mean I actually think it's great for New York. It's great for Austin Texas. It's amazing amazing for Toronto Canada. Like I mean these cities are the ones benefiting. The Bay area is not what it used to be. It's it so I so I have mixed feelings. I guess it's been great to us. I live here. We have Five hundred over five hundred people that are employed or San Francisco offices in their wonderful and people still all around the world. Want to move here because it is still the leader. But it's not clear cut. It's not as clear. Cut A leader as it was before. And especially if you're trying to keep costs under control like you mentioned earlier the cost. I mean cost from a coney standpoint but at the end of the day. It's just like a very bad quality life strew. It's bad quality alive for for everyone who lives here. Currently it's very expensive and so at the end of the day. If I want you about recruiting talent you got to retain talent to and you want people. uh-huh do the best work of their lives and if they're stressed about can't afford a vacation or can't afford the house and they're gonna live and having an make rents. I will do their best work. That's not good either. So it's think it's problem and I think there are kind of finger pointing you know the city in San Francisco points points. The tech companies in the tech companies point to the city leadership. It's not clear what the path for it is but I am definitely concerns and In the interim along all these other cities like Austin and New York and I would say Toronto are really it they are benefiting. We'll see whether it's moment in time of what happens. But I think San Francisco needs to come together and say we want to continue to be the place where companies come to build these amazing innovative solutions and we have to make it work as a city and there is a path forward. Just that conversation is not quite happening yet. There's still a lot of finger pointing so we gotta get past that stage and start. Come with a path forward Wilson and and you know the the last thing. I've been thinking about this. This is my big problem as an entrepreneur. We look for opportunities and it's hard to find our opportunities like there's lots of opportunities whether they're good businesses the whole mother thing and how you can mother there you can make it happen and like at the end of the day. This is my rub. San Francisco should be the best city in the world to live it. And it's not and that is a failure of an opportunity and that and that Absolutely drives me nuts. It's like Paul Graham. Says if you outlaw the future here it's just GonNa happen someplace else and that's the history of innovation But I'm still optimistic about the future. I think there's so many signs though that things could turn around here hopefully to do Michelle that lasts. The answer was so articulate that it was almost political goal so we have election season coming up. I know cloudflare does a lot of election security and things like that. Is there anything on your radar for the next election to help keep things. We're secure for. I think we everyone learned a lot from the last election. How important technology is both good and bad and one of the things that came out with the locks election action On the good side was actually if you think about it. Candidates who run in elections are almost like start ups. There are a lot of resources. You're not sure how further to get through into the last presidential central election sixteen of the seventeen candidates use cloudflare to help fast reliable online. which pretty awesome? And we're seeing a lot of the current candidates use our service which is great love that I love thinking of the political campaigns kind of as a startup is like as they're going through. It's it's kind of started thinking about like that. It's pretty amazing. How much risk they have to take and and what kind of start with nothing to create something but on the flip side? Those loss election. We saw a lot of how tech was used in many ways for disinformation embed sorts of things and clever provides infrastructure so. There's certain things we can do certain things we can't do but we did out of the loss election. We felt like okay we onto do more than we did. And so we created something called the Athenian Project and the idea was if you are a state local or federal ruction collection and. You're running the services around it. So where do you vote The results all those have Internet facing properties. And if you actually think about it if you think okay who runs that and how many resources they have. It's a very small team that runs it. Sometimes one person and they have zero resources and so we launched something called the Athenian project to help Bazeley as. Let's say we'll give you our enterprise grade service that fortune one thousand companies spend hundreds of thousands millions of dollars a year on for free. And we've had different you know state of Orth Carolina. Different states are Rhode Island like lots of different states around the US adopted and you talk to some of these the IT Professional. WHO's the networks? The person who's responsible for running these Internet properties and the one gentleman his exact quote was I feel like it's me against nation state attackers attackers. And I'm all myself and I have to figure out how to keep the site online through a nation state attacker and it's not fair and they're like okay so so I feel so much more like I have a service now cloud to help protect me and I feel like I'm not alone front back to being a neighborhood watch community so that's one thing we've done that and what's been great. Is that both local and states have adopted and are we've seen it through a lot of the meteor campaigns different states have. It's it's really worked and again again they. They're they've stayed online. There hasn't been any cybersecurity or liability issues and that matters a lot for building trust among in a democracy like if you you feel like Oh my God go to look at the election results and the page isn't there because often climb because of attack that degrades trust and so these things matter and so you know you still have to show vote. We don't do anything with that. But how do you registered. Go find out where the voting places are. What are the results? We help provide a lot of services through the theme project. And that's been amazing so I and you know Microsoft has done a lot. I think that face because learning to walk from the loss election and they've been in the news at ton recently and I heard Sheryl Sandberg interviewed earlier this week at the Mandy Fair and her answer something. We are a imperfect perfect much stronger position than a couple blocks time around and I know what people dislike facebook but I actually think. That's probably a very articulate. Kill it way to describe a perfect much stronger position and so on on on that side. But that's that's not our business and you know that's just kind of a high level but I do think there are some great things happening on the tech side from companies who have said. Hey we want to give our services for free. I know we've done a lot. Microsoft does ally and I think those things matter if they play one rule all in a much bigger picture and more companies should do more sure Michelle. Thank you so much for being generous with your time. This has been a blast Get you on for onto at some point and your husband's always welcome come on And we'll probably make which sonics if we haven't already so that sounds really cool. That's great are there any other questions topics or things that you just WanNa talk about. The the only other thing I would say is that if you're an entrepreneur early on like keep going. I hope you're having something big. It's an amazing responsibility and think it's it's it's great to see people tried to do that to keep going only thing I would and and for anybody listening out there that wants to join wants to help you with your mission. Where should they reach out whether it's the jobs page? MAYBE THEY WANNA help support switch which over cloudflare. Where's the best place to find you online? My twitter I love twitter. So you can find on linked in at Michelle's outland or you can find me on twitter at at that Lynn which Z. A. T. L. L. Y. N.. But you can also come to cloudflare dot Com so cloud Seattle. Oh You D. F. L. A. R. E. DOT COM. And if you can't find me that tour you can find cloudflare. We're always there. That's the I test everyone and Michelle. Thank you so much and congrats on everything you thanks so much traffic. 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Cloudflare Serverless with Zack Bloom

Software Engineering Daily

59:12 min | 9 months ago

Cloudflare Serverless with Zack Bloom

"Server Lewis is an execution model where applications are scheduled and deployed to servers that are not directly managed by the application developer in Server Lewis execution an application only loads and operates when a user actually needs to get a response from that application this saves on resources says because many applications do not need to run at all times the only need to be available for user requests. The service model was popularized by Amazon was on web services. Lambda when Lambda I launched in Twenty fifteen. It was an experimental product today. It is a widely used product and and the market is validated. The desire for service execution other cloud providers have introduced different models of service functionality including Google cloud allowed functions azure functions and fastly edge. Computing ZAC BLUM is director of product for product strategy at cloudflare and and he joins the show to discuss cloudflare's model for service execution. Zach also discusses CLOUDFLARE's growing product line including the fast privacy privacy protecting DNS revolver one dot one dot one dot. One Zach is a rare mix of engineering business strategy and product vision and that made for a great conversation. Sex been on the show before. And we've also done episodes about the cloudflare service overlays technology and some other various episodes about cloudflare. It's a pretty interesting company and you can look at those episodes in the show notes or search which for our back catalogue upcoming events that Erica and I will be at for Software Engineering Daily. We're going to be at QB CON. Sandiego Dago Twenty nineteen and aws reinvent in Las Vegas. We're planning a meet up at reinvent on Tuesday December third food. That's the planned date at least and there is a link to the meet up in the show notes. You can sign up if you're going to be in Las Vegas biggest and we're all looking for a venue. 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I want to start By talking about service because you wrote a post about cloudflare isolates is actually saying that multiple people have written in about about. Because they're curious we've done a bunch of different shows about service related things and cloudflare has a different approach to server for less. Let's start with a brief review of the typical definition of service which was pioneered by Amazon on Lambda can you describe how to. Aws Lambda execution system works absolutely so aws. Lambda is what I would consider to be a pretty traditional way of running code. which is you get a process that secured from all the other processes running on a machine? That's just for you. That runs your code. Maybe it runs node or runs python. What Amazon Lambda figured out? Though is you shouldn't have to administer or manage the machine that's going to run that code so you give Amazon your code and they handle finding the machine to run it making sure there are enough of them running in any given moment scaling them up scaling them down doing all of the administration around. I need eight a bunch of processes running onto machines that are going to serve requests a common problem with. Aws Lambda is the cold. Start problem problem. Can you explain what the cold start. Problem is absolutely so in talking about what lambda is. It's the same technology we had which is a process us running on a machine. Maybe running something like node but with some better developer economics and in some ways easier ways of scaling easier ways of paying saying for it. Because you don't have to pay for instances anymore you just pay for the number of of these lamm does that are running at any given moment. The problem is the underlying tools. Things like node code. Were never really designed run in this kind of environment node. In the era that it was built you might deploy your software once a week and so if no takes five hundred milliseconds milliseconds to start. Art takes three seconds to start. That's not a big deal because you're gonNA be doing one of these deploys. Maybe once a week maybe once a day if you move pretty quickly as an engineering wingstop moving into a world where you have to start one of these node. Instances in response to a request so a user. Load your APP or load your website and that request I flows into aws into an API gateway and has now supposed to start a lambda. All the sudden note has to start in five milliseconds not five hundred and and it wasn't designed for that and so it really doesn't do a great job of starting that quickly and so it's a fundamental flaw of trying to map. These process oriented tools. That we're meant to play pretty slowly into a world where you want this. Massive amount amount of multi tenancy so many different copies running on a single machine starting up almost instantly in response to a request request and that creates delays for users of several hundred milliseconds. Requests will just take longer than they anticipate. And that doesn't just happen every time. You Deploy Code Code. It happens every time they have to scale the number of lamb. Does that are running since only one lambda can process a single request at time if you get ten requests per second then you're gonNA GONNA get ten cold starts and then if you get one hundred requests at the same time you're GonNa get another ninety in order to scale up all of the instances in response to those requests coming in you work at cloudflare and Claire has a fairly different model for service. Describe how cloudflare thinks about the service paradigm. So the interesting thing is. We didn't originally set out to build a server less computing papa. The kind of origin story for me of workers which is the thing that now very much is one is talking to my very first customer call at cloudflare. Three years ago was with a testing company. And they said right right now we add. AB testing to websites for people and it adds a bunch of latency it slows down these websites and that's a big problem because Ab testing is all about optimization. We can't slow down their website. It is there some way that we can take this giant global network that you have which is what cloudflare really is. We have servers thousands and thousands of servers and one hundred ninety four different places around the world very very close to basically everyone who uses the Internet and they said can we somehow put our AB testing code to run on your server so we wouldn't delay these customers and we told them no no and we told a lot of customers no in response to that question because when you look at the economics a request to cloudflare for giving website it can go to any of thousands of servers around the world and if we were going to run the equivalent of that node lambda on all of these servers that could receive a single customers website website. We're going to run thousands of copies of it and an empty. No Lamba consumes thirty five megabytes of memory. So you're talking about something like two hundred gigabytes of memory being consumed to run and nothing thrown an empty example. And that's if you only have to run one copy of it on each of these machines and then when you realize if you run a one hundred processes on a machine it works pretty well but if you run a thousand processes in the machine and cloudflare has twenty million customers twenty million different websites rather that use cloudflare if you run a thousand processes on a machine all the sudden you spend a lot of time context switching from one process to another to serve requests if you ten thousand and one Kotler Server. Can it could easily support that number of websites you spend all of your time. Context switching and the processor isn't actually running any customers code. It's just switching from one bit of code to another so you run into these really fundamental limitations. Cold starts is another one where all the sudden customers paying you a bunch of money to make their website faster maybe to make ab testing work way faster. And you have to explain that some of your customers are going to get three hundred millisecond delays in loading that endpoint. And so. We told them know that we couldn't do it. But eventually what let very smart people figured out one of them is Kenton. Who who's been on this podcast before is there is a technology that we could adapt into our world the technology from the Web Browser the Java script and Web Assembly engine? That runs inside Google Chrome because the web browsers actually solving the exact same problem. It needs to run code securely in a really really isolated sandbox so pale dot com can't steal from Google Dot Com. It needs to start code incredibly quickly because when you open a tab you really care that it loads it's fast and it needs to use a super minimum amount of memory because you get very angry when your web browser uses up too much. One of the biggest complaints about web browsers is as you have more and more tabs open. They get slower and the way they solved. This problem is with the concept called isolate where instead of having a different process for each bit of code you on Iran and relying on the operating operating system to use the same mechanisms. It's had for the last forty years to manage. who gets to run when what if we put it all? In one process we have one virtual machine and everyone just gets a little tiny thing called an isolate which just represents their code essentially the end their variables and that single virtual machine can do a really smart job of balancing who gets to execute. which isolate is executing when all in a single process so the operating system never context switches? It keeps a single process. That's running the whole time and it can spin up new one of these little isolates because it doesn't have to start a new node process anew virtual machine anything like that in like four point four milliseconds. I think the average something like that. So that's one hundred times faster fifty to one hundred times faster than node than lambda any of these existing things that that a lot of people use news and it uses about a tenth as much memory but three megabytes instead of thirty five so it ended up fixing a lot of these really fundamental problems and we used it to let people Oh configure cloudflare and to let people start to build applications. But it wasn't until we started benchmarking that we realized there was something here that kind of transcended what we thought we. We're doing because we set up these benchmarks and we saw. Yeah you know. We're a lot faster than Lambda Faster Than Lambda Dad's great. We have a denser network. We're closer to the testing locations into that makes sense. But then you look at the testing data from close to where the land is running so you deploy a lambda two east one and then you run a classified classify worker there and you run a lambda edge test. It from really close to there so network latency has nothing to do with it. Everything is close and realize the workers also way faster and that was shocking. And we suddenly realized that there might be something to this idea of isolates that transcends our particular needs to run it around the world and it might actually actually be a really good way to do service general because it fixes a lot of these fundamental problems like cold starts and makes it really possible for someone to just write code food and deploy it and not have to think about how to get it running or running all around the world that maybe it was time for a new type of a multi tenancy based architecture that doesn't rely on the operating system that was stuff that was figured out for two years ago. But it's actually based on something more more modern so the contrast between the two models between aws lambda model and the cloudflare worker cloudflare isolates model is in the lambda world the host spins up. Probably a VM. And then a container within a VM. Or maybe just a consistent container just a container on bare metal okay and and then has to execute the code and has a whole whole stack devoted to managing that container whereas in the isolates model. There's just a context and there's a single perhaps a single process managing all those different contexts on a V.. Eight instance on cloudflare box and the the worker the isolate model. What kinds of workloads can the worker model? The you're the cloudflare flare worker model. What kinds of workloads is that? Well suited to. And what kinds of workloads is it. Not well suited. That's a really good question. is both of those sides have have answers answers. One of the interesting things is our world is not built around how processes work. So we don't let you do system calls. We don't try to pretend to it. Be Giving you a process in the way that the does we actually do everything with the web platform so if you WANNA fetch something over the Internet you use the API same thing. He's in a browser. If you WANNA compute and h Mac used a web crypto. Api so that means that our world is much more similar to write in code in a web browser. And that's the type of code that we expect then how you write code run on traditional system with system calls and opening files and things like that so already we're kind of thinking about a different aren't world of code requires a little bit of adaptation to take a piece of code that was originally meant to run on a server somewhere and suddenly run it inside a worker. The other big world is how much access to storage. You have because we are building out our capability to let you store data around the world and have databases have things you can truly really build an application. That's deployed basically how the Internet is deployed. where it just kind of runs everywhere in the you have no idea? You know you don't need to worry about where your data stored and where your code is running but right now we have the code running part figured out and the data storage part. We're just inching our way closer to so if you have an application right now that needs a ton of data storage which you have to use an external system firebase a lot of the time we have a key value store. But it's not necessarily what you're gonNA use for the primary data store of your application. So that's one answer. If you're if you're doing a ton of crud type operations you need a traditional database you need transactions you need those types of things you at least have to store your data externally the and then process it and interact with your users inside the worker conversely something that is somewhat stateless works amazing worker right now. If you want to compute you know do do session authentication with H MAC which is one thing that I mentioned so a user comes in and they give you a token and you decide if that token is valid. And whether you should forward that request along to your API that's that's a beautiful thing to do in a worker if you need to serve content to people and you want your your site to be really fast or you want to deploy or you're a static website. That's a beautiful thing to do in a worker and it's really great because you have a much nicer like growing path with a worker than you do with a traditional like I'm going to deploy a static website the site. If you decide you WANNA run code and you want things to work a little bit differently you can just write that code and run it and you're working. We'll execute it all around the world whereas with a traditional static website. It just kind kind of works the way it works and you can't really grow so things that are at least somewhat stateless or where you can really encode the data into a key value type model and where you care about. The the performance are really the best places to work right now but ask me again in a year and it will have grown a lot. I think the other interesting aspect about it is. There's there's constraints around the languages you can use right. Because if it's executing and V eight then the only thing that can execute our Java script or Web Assembly Situations Nations where you were web assembly actually works so tech rust and what else is in C C plus traditional compiled languages. This is one of these things that we were just incredibly lucky with because at the time that we started doing this totally coincidentally the web assembly craze started and all these languages were doing a bunch of work deport themselves salves to assembly. Obviously that's nothing we did but it was very very lucky for us because this V eight engine. All of a sudden can't just run Java script and languages that compile to Java script like type subscribed which we use a lot we could use rust. NC and CPAS pleasant now increasingly go support for go has gotten significantly better and basically any language you can. Name is currently at some point in the process of being Puerto Web Assembly. I know there's a cobalt port L. Gall. I'm sure there's four tran somewhere but obviously also a C. Sharp. PHP languages that more people care about so that was again. Just total dumb lock. But it means that this platform isn't just relevant people in writing script. It's relevant for almost any language as long as you can compile your you have the source code and you're capable of compiling into this new web assembly thing. It's not just a compiled binary that you have somewhere. I keep seeing anecdotal evidence that this future of more and more stuff moving to the edge. It is coming to fruition and it will be interesting to see what the convergence is. Or what the you know like if you can run anything essentially at the CDN layer or more at the back end server layer. It will be very interesting to see what the division of Labor between those two areas is. Do you have any ideas or predictions so traditionally. I agree with you that I think this is a really interesting thing. Traditionally originally people thought of edge computing. Really Esoteric thing. If you read some early reports on edge competing it was all about. It's going to be Thomas. Vehicles augmented reality. You like these these future things. Flying cars basically is going to be what you use edge competing for an obviously. Everyone's going to keep doing the things we already do. In in the core but with the stuff we're looking at with isolates all of a sudden it kind of gets cheaper to edge computing. It's not really expensive anymore. And the way that it would be trying to coober netease at the edge but it's way cheaper because if a request comes in in Ulan Bator Mongolia. It's actually cheaper for us to spend isolate and a few milliseconds of CPU respond into the request and be done than it is to transport but pay for the bandwidth to get the request all the way to us east one and then respond so all the sudden this edge competing thing isn't really really expensive. It's actually often significantly less expensive for us at least then processing all the requests in one location and so if it's faster for users and it's less expensive and it's so much more resilient and failure tolerant because it's almost impossible to have one hundred ninety four data centers. Maybe literally go down. You know in the way that you could hood with a single availability zone or region you know any network partition or anything like that can block users from being able to access a traditional data center but it's totally impossible but that it could happen and all around the world. Why would you put something centrally? What would be the advantage of doing that? Centralize compute. Maybe if you needed to do some really specific data processing where you needed a huge amount of data all in one place that could interact with each other but in our experience what we're looking at is that a a lot of applications really only need to access a subset of data. You know when you and I edit Google Doc. We don't need every single Google doc on earth to be in the single server somewhere somewhere we just need the one where editing to be location close to us so we believe that there are a lot more opportunities to divide up into different regions where it's necessary or valuable bowler. We want to store it for legal reasons and not need to try to have a single view of truth in a single location. All of your processing is going to happen and that it's better are for users and faster and more resilient. I think most things are going to happen. And what what we now call the edge but I think in the future. We'll just call like Internet. So maybe you keep keep your entire Casandra or my sequel database in a back end. Place may be you keep it close to the TPU's in the GP's that are all on some cloud provider. That has all that horse power. And you want the data close to all the horse power but for most workloads the edge will do just fine and it'll be faster for users and easier for people to deploy and yeah just it. It will be the final evolution of moving from a model of mainframes located in the basement of an office building to the Internet. Get to something that was that works the way the Internet works. 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So imagine like I have my smartphone right now if we can deploy subsets of back end logic to the edge and more and more of those subsets. Let's get pushed to the edge. Why push even further? Why not get a Web assembly bundle on my phone so that maybe you know I'm just hitting my client device for a lot of the back end logic? Is that realistic. I think. I think it's realistic. You have to figure out why you're doing one advantage would be easier for developers. I remember when node was coming out and people were really excited about the idea of Marfa development that you could write a line of code and it could run in Notre in the browser and that didn't really work out because it turns out. Node is a very different environment than the browser and it has all of its own. API's make make could work in something like isolates because it is but they're both literally the web platform so they support the same API's which is which is closer but you have to be sure you know what the purpose of doing that for is it efficiency or is it to have a single development environment that you get deployed code everywhere with is it. Ah Performance I think it's totally something that you could do. And I do know people who are compiling web assembly into the browser in order to augment and add capabilities. Yeah how did you have to do anything to modify. V8 or to get V.. Eight to do what you wanted it to do. As this multi tenant back end as a service edge computing platform so there are a lot of pieces that are built. So you have the core which you can give pieces of code and it can run them in an isolated and somewhat cooperative way but then you have to decide what you're going to run win so you need a whole process runner. That's going to manage these Viet isolates. Spin them up and spin them down and respond to requests. You need all of the API's so when you make a request with the fetchy P. I. R. C. Plus Plus Code. That's actually executing you know that we have access to the cash. Api that lets you store things that caught fire cash around the world. That's all plus code that we had to write. Web crypto is all bindings on top of crypto libraries. That we had to write so literally can just run code. It can't do anything interesting without a layer on top of it that we had to write. There's also oh tons of security stuff that I am not the best person to talk about but I know was was was done in order to make it a secure platform as well so the workers and isolates. This is not the only thing you work on your. Your title is now. VP of product director of product correct. Yeah so one of the directors product at cloudflare and I focus on product strategy. So that's new stuff that we build particularly new stuff that appeals to totally new markets. Totally new areas customers who maybe wouldn't have been customers cloudflare before and can be now and we get to do that because we have this really big global network network with all these servers running and all these places around the world and so every day we kinda show up to work and say given that you have that. What is it that you're suddenly able to build? It's so funny. You seen people take the perspective that the cloud games over. AWS is one. It's so deeply deeply incorrect. Like there's so much white space remaining to explore particularly for companies that don't have a gigantic catalogue catalogue of products that they need to maintain already cloudflare has a smaller set of things that it has focused on and done extremely well and built core competencies. In what are those core competencies of cloudflare that you see as the backbone of opportunities to explore. That's that's a great question and one fundamental one is just we don't have the legacy that. Aws Hats Right. There isn't innovators dilemma. And there is this idea that every customer you get. WHO's super happy with the things that you build subtly restricts your ability to build something that would be at odds with what they expect so for example everything that Amazon has built around this process? Model where you can lift and shift and existing piece of code and actually run it in whatever environment they provide when we built workers. We said we're not going to support that that we support the web platform and we think everyone should just build everything in the web platform and Amazon cannot necessarily do that quite as readily because they do have so many people who rely on the things that they already built and that's just the nature of disruption we also have twenty million websites that use cloudflare who really love cloudflare. One of the things things that I love so much about having this job because before caught for to start up at the startup you build something and then you spend maybe six months working on it or year working working on it and then you spend the next four years trying to get anyone to care. That was the first show we did by the way. Yeah Great Show because I think for the exact reason that you've just just to find you you kind of I mean. That was a tough start to build tough star up to work on. And you know I think is great great outcome you know acquired by a company and then and a company that kind of had a shared vision and you got to Meld with that vision shocking. Yeah I mean. I don't know anyone's like my company got acquired story. That worked out as well. Well as this one did because it is so amazing getting to work on even more stuff even more quickly and have all these people who really care about the things that we built because we have all these really great users and that is a big advantage of cloudflare we also have the super dense network one hundred and ninety four places around the world and not just places in internet exchanges where you can give them some money me and I'll put your servers there but inside ISP's all around the world these places that are very difficult to get servers to and very difficult to clear customs in in very difficult to negotiate with and very difficult to place. Those are huge advantages because when an engineer walks into cloudflare and they write a line of code like one not one that one that one is a great example apple which is our diasporas over it was built by three people in a few weeks. Basically and it's the fastest Dina's earth. Obviously since then they've put a lot more time into it but it would take you and I who knows how long to build the fastest genesis over on earth. We'd have we'd spend the next ten years trying to put more servers in more places and they were able to do it in a few weeks and that's an amazing advantage for everything that we built and they're also seems to be a willful perspective. You've that cloudflare has on what it wants out of technology an ethos. How does the ethos of cloudflare set the product direction? That's a really interesting question. I mean I've never worked anywhere that had as fundamental of a ethical philosophical chorus koffler. You know I've worked at interesting places that are building interesting technology that I think made good decisions but to really genuinely want the Internet to be better and make decisions on that basis when people are looking or not looking as a totally new thing for me and I do believe that. It's a huge advantage vantage in the short term. I think making decisions that are easy can grow a company one of the things that I really realized. There's a lot of the people who work around me at cloudflare really early work there. Because they believe in the company's doing and if the company hadn't made those tough decisions when it did and when it does they just wouldn't be there anymore anymore like it is a core part of the culture that changes everything in a company so the other products that you are on aside from the workers workers platforms so one is access which is zero trust networking essentially. We've we've done. Some zero-sum chose on zero trust networking workings of people. Can listen back to that but tell me about. I mean I understand what zero trust. Networking is as philosophy for how a company should manage its access to resources. How is it a product? What is the? What is the product that you're building around and zero trust networking? That's a good question. So if you are a traditional company right now you have a network that has all of your secret internal stuff on it. You know all the internal applications that someone built that allows you to manage. Your orders are manager systems and you go to address loads and it's all on inside your internal Turner Network and the way that you protect. It is by not letting people open up a laptop and connect your internal network and if people want to travel or leave leave the office or maybe over mode offices you. VPN where it extends that internal the Arctic meet reach all the way around the world wherever their computer happens to be. There are big fundamental l.. Problems with that as you know one is just any device inside the network suddenly can access everything and it's so easy to get a single bit of malware inside an office building. You you know one exploited laptop or phone is a pretty trivial thing to do so the question for your organization is how do we move to a model where I'm making a decision on a per request basis whether this person should be able to access this thing and the answer is a product that we call cloudflare access where you take the cler author edge. That's around the world and you put it in front of all of your services and no one can talk to them directly anymore. They have to talk to this cloudflare edge and the cloudflare edge gets to make access control decisions around. Should this person on this device at this moment with the credentials that they had which usually looks like logging into octa or Google APPs for business traditional traditional log in their email. Should they be able to access this thing right now. And if the answer is yes then the club for edge allows it to go over secure tunnel to the actual actual origin inside your system. Where where the code is so? No one is on your internal network and that's where that were zero. Trust comes from you. Don't trust anyone. You pretend that everyone is the public internet and everyone has to go through. This caught fire edge in order to access your system. What are the competing product? You don't have to name specific products but what what are the other the other ways of facilitating zero trust networking well. That's a great question. Because there aren't a ton it was invented by Google right as part of their beyond core initiative. Yes where they got hacked pretty aggressively and they had to figure out a way to solve this very existential networking working problem and they have made a something of a business out of it as part of Google cloud. If you use Google cloud you can use a lot of their on court and there are companies. BINNY's provide a similar service. A big advantage that cloudflare had coming into this. is again that edge network because when you add in front of your services we generally aren't going to slow anything anything down because your users already so close to one of qualifiers POPs. So that's one big advantage. You have this network density that means you go from a model where all of your your traffic is getting. VPN To a central location might be thousands of miles away from where the user is to one where they're connecting two o'clock pop that's within a few milliseconds of them in most places and then immediately ada able to go to the service of the actually want to so it. Dramatically improves the performance again. Because we're able to take advantage of that giant network that so few people have unless they unless they use workers. The other big advantage had a bunch of technology that we'd already built. So we have this argo tunnel product which lets securely Mak- tunnel from wherever your servers are running running your code on Earth to cloudflare so that all that traffic can flow back to your origin securely. We already had that product already worked and that made it much much much easier for us to make this access thing make sense. We also have ARGO. which is our way of routing traffic over the Internet more quickly by making better decisions kind of like Google maps the traffic for packets over the Internet? And we're able to turn that on for this well and suddenly everyone's ability clone internal git repo gets much faster and so we're able to take advantage of all these other pieces and parts that cloudflare's built and make a really powerful system when you decide to build build a new product within a company like cloudflare. We already have established products. How do you go about spinning up a new team? Do you deprive deprive other teams of resources. Do you put out a job request. And then you have to divide your time among your pre existing obligations. Tell me how you spin up a new team. So that is the fundamental problem of having a resource constrained organization position but you want a resource constraint organization because you WanNa be focused and you want to have to make choices and having an infinite supply of people to work on things slows you down ultimately lately you know the whole Amazon two pizza teams idea so you have to make choices so occasionally. There's a product gets spun down or pivot or move them in different direction and a lot of the time people help from other parts of the organization so for example we recently launched a workers. html passer and that html purser wasn't actually primarily primarily built by the workers team it was built by the speed team who are building a whole bunch of things to make websites faster and they needed a new html purser and they wanted to be able to use it in workers because it's so much easier to deploy with workers than the way that we've done it in the past and so they sat down and built this new rust and we're integrated into workers that required a little bit of support on the workers team but it was primarily made possible by the fact that people actually wanted to use this thing so it's similar to how an open source project works where you have people who want to contribute because they want this thing to be better because it makes their lives easier and we're able to kind of pull pull water out of a stone or something like that and get things done that we wouldn't normally have have the people or time to do. The other big thing is only doing stuff that we are uniquely able to do because we have the network and the customers that we have and because we have workers like access for example is totally built on workers and that means that the team can be a handful of people and write code. And it's GONNA run in one hundred ninety four places and it makes their lives so much easier they're able to use ARGO tunnel nerve able to use all these other technologies if they had to build something totally from scratch. The didn't take advantage of any of the things that caller had. Yeah they would need a much much larger team so we try not to spend our time on those things so similarly to who would. Aws always talks about. They're always building using their previous. API's they're always building on S.. Three and EC two and so on and you have the ability to do the exact same thing the same compute abstractions that you give to users you you build into a higher level abstractions actions another product. You work on his warp. I remember the day that this launched. It was like sitting at the top of hacker news for the entire day. It was awesome. It was really good launch page. Because I've used the peons mobile VPN's before not a great experience explain warp is so VPN is a useful way to explain it. But I usually say if you know what A. VPN is you shouldn't be using warp because most of the people who the VPN right now are super security conscious. Or they're super privacy conscious. They are very technological already. They know how to install a mobile. VPN which is pretty difficult for most of these and they're either trying to access net flicks in a different country than the one currently in or they just want more privacy on the Internet. And if you are able to do that that is awesome. You are wonderful. You are among the point. Zero one percent of most technologically adept and privacy conscious. People on the Internet Warp is really for the ninety nine point nine percent. It's people who have never heard of a VPN before they're not looking for anonymity like they're not trying to do things that are hidden from the sight that they're visiting they're just trying to not be spied on a coffee shop or to not have Internet service providers sell their Internet browsing data and so they need a way to securely curly encrypt their connection from their phone which only supports funds for now. But that'll grow over time to the actual website that they intend on visiting and and we're trying to give them that and in the process we're trying to make their internet better instead of making it worse because I would I would venture that most. VPN's make your Internet somewhat worse. That's kind kind of an established idea that you're instead of going directly to the place that you're trying to visit you now have to go to some third party server somewhere and that extra hop is going to slow down your Internet Internet by some amount. And we're saying if we upgrade the protocol between your phone and and the the edge between your phone and the Internet basically and we use a more modern protocol than than has been used for the last forty years and we use our argo smart routing technology that we talked about earlier where we know which transit providers in which paths through. The Internet are are least congested. At any given moment route that way it should be possible for us to make your Internet better while we also make it more secure and more more private and we really believed that. That's the only way that we're going to actually change the Internet that we're really going to make it a private secure place where no one can spy on anyone and where it's possible to innovate and move really quickly and make better. This is a consumer product. It is the first cloudflare consumer product. Yes so it is meant for your parents and your friends people who use the Internet but they're not super technical they certainly don't have a website and you install an APP onto your phone. It's called one dot one dot one and we we send all of your Internet traffic over wire guard which is a super modern very secure basically. VPN Protocol to cloudflare's edge before it goes out onto the Internet to have have the secure fast optimized more modern protocol tunnel between your phone and the world. Why does that differ from the naive way of sending Internet traffic? That's a great question. So there are two protocols that are really commonly used to send data it over the Internet one is called. TCP and one is called Yippee and TCP is a really robust very complex protocol that guarantees. He's it will send the thing that you intend on sending in the correct order with the correct content to your destination the problem with TCP is it. It has a lot of overhead and it doesn't handle the things that commonly happen on the mobile Internet very well when packets get dropped it forces everything to basically grind to a halt retrieves retrieves. Those packets gets them back in order and ensures that you had this really really reliable connection between two points turns out though in the last forty years. We've figured out a lot of the things that allow us to do this. In a more robust way more efficient way so instead of needing to grind everything to a halt and reconstruct packets and sort sort out the order we can send things much more quickly and figure out the things that we missed later on and reconstruct them and use more modern protocols in order to make this happen and a lot of this the concept is very similar to what's being done. Hd Three right now where the world is deciding we don't want TCP to manage the reliability of our connections. Just give us. UDP which is much less. Reliable doesn't provide any of those guarantees protocol and we'll do all of that other stuff on top of it that's part of what powers warp any benchmarks on. How much faster? HDP threes than there are. I don't have them. You can actually try it yourself. Because cloudflare shipped hd three recently so you can turn it on your website and with chrome nightly gas or the very modern version of chrome you're able to browse the Internet with hd three now so the the the security is is improved because As I guess I'm not I'm not quite getting the security combined. So why is security improved. So you are data is now public key encrypted from your phone through your local cell tower or Wifi network or wherever you are all the way through your Internet service provider so they can't see anything you're doing all the way to cloudflare's edge and that's very important for two reasons reasons one is if you visit a non. HTTPS website so non-secured website. Everything you're doing is in the plain text so they're able to get the content of the site anything you do submit to the site very very insecure very bad but even if you are visiting an https website because of something called Sni. It's actually possible to see Z.. All of the websites that you visit because you have to tell the server what website you intended visiting before it can negotiate the less secure connection. So you're right now or anyone snooping on you in a coffee shop Wifi knows every single website that you go to. And maybe that's a big deal to you. Maybe it's not but it certainly is a limitation on the privacy guarantees of the Internet. And no one that I know feel super confident in the fact that there is P is not selling all of that data Ada. I would say if there's money to be made in it I would. They probably are so this idea that we can encrypt this big chunk of transmission. The least secure cure chunk of the Internet transmission greatly improves the privacy and the security of people using Internet and it doesn't cause any kind of problems with the end point. I'm trying to hit right. Like if I am authenticated with Google and I'm trying to access my g mail it's not gonNA cause any kind of issue right right. It's going to go through clouds But it's still going to go to g mail and we're GONNA do our best ten forty mouth who you are again. We're not trying to provide anonymity for anyone but it will go over or that crypto tall and what have you learned building a consumer product. That is a great question. It is so so different. One thing is just the volume of support requests. I mean we. In the APP we have a button. You can push to send us a ticket right to send US feedback about the APP or something like that and when your deployment runs all around the world and his victim to all of the different Internet connections and all of the ice everywhere. They're all sorts of issues for us to work workout. And that's one of the reasons. We launched warp consumer products. WE WANNA work out every issue and become a really really good at securely tunneling Internet traffic nick but there are a lot of support requests and there are a lot of people who have questions or concerns or want to talk to us or want to tell us that it didn't work in a certain situation at a certain the moment and the volume that is definitely a new thing for me to experience. Another is how happy and nice people. You're right when you're offering someone out that's mostly for free. You can pass a little bit of money will use that ARGO routing technology to make your Internet at work a little bit better but in general it's free people are really forgiving. And they're really kind and they're really nice and it's amazing. How many people you can run into that really believe in the mission of one that one no one? 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Yes and that's a super super valuable business to be in because if you can be one hundred milliseconds faster than someone else then customers will choose to use you and the synthesis already established mark a lot of people by VM's every day there's a ton of money that you can make really quickly just by being the slightly faster version of things. Someone's already looking for. That is very different than what what cloudflare's doing is in a more disruptive place where it saying we're going to build something that is doesn't work the same way as the things you already use that you're gonNA have to architect architect applications around a little bit and in return. You might get something. That's one hundred times faster than what you were doing before instead of two times faster so I see them as very different different totally different world appealing to totally different customers. Totally different maturity level of the market awesome products awesome technology. Very very impressive. Engineering has cloudflare gotten into open. Sourcing much of its technology or does that does not make sense because you are in a pretty distinct position so does open source a lot of stuff. So for example we were talking about warp. And our rust wire implementations totally open sourced and we would love for people to use it and think everyone should use it so we try to open source as much as we can. Obviously it is a process and it takes a lot of work and there's a lot of overhead head to managing and maintaining an open source project. So we're pretty confident doing it. Around libraries and things that are low level that only a limited number people can use but doing it for like complete product level things is a little bit more challenging from a resource constraint problem space but we like open sourcing things. It's fun and we use a lot of open source. Given how much you think about product strategy. I think you have a pretty good perspective on how to think about competition. I've had a lot of conversations. Recently with companies that are competing with cloud providers from a different angle than you. You're competing with cloud providers letters directly. I mean you know your your CDN most of the cloud providers offer their own kind of CDN. I wouldn't use the term. CDN Edge computing but cloudflare has managed to differentiate and build a gigantic business. There are these other companies that have kind of copetition with aws the US where they have elastic search or a database product and they feel like there is an uncomfortable L. adversarial relationship. Do you have any reflections on how to think about competition in the modern era of software offer infrastructure. Well I think I would be very afraid of those relationships with Amazon as well because you look at like toys R. US or they outsource I their fulfilment to Amazon and then basically went out of business it is certainly a dangerous thing to get into a close business relationship chip with the enemy in that way. If that's how you relate to them I think for us there are just so many more people on this earth who have never heard of service then who have heard of service and are using a competitor you know like the mission for all of us really is expanding the market greatly to usher sure in a new era of how you build software and we're so far away from completely succeeding with that. We're really only reaching the earliest of the earliest adopters right now. And we're giving them kind of halfway a tolerable experience but certainly not the level experienced. It should be possible with the technology itself. But we'll be possible over time so so much of this mission is really about making developers happier making them have a better experience using service make more people know what service is and WANNA use it and want to answer questions like which provider they use and that represents I think ninety nine point nine percent of the growth available in this world and competition between vendors right now is point one percent of the available money last question. How will cloud providers look in a decade? That's a great question. I hope I hope that the answer is not one. I hope the answer is not. There's one giant successful cloud provider that through network effects has been able to capture the entire world. I think the world is more more fun with disruption and with companies succeeding and then failing ebbing and flowing seems innovation happens faster and things get better for developers. More quickly is is really what I care about. When there's a lot of competition and a lot of things are turning and I know that gets on people's nerves particularly in the front end ecosystem where they feel like every year they have to learn a totally new stack? But I look at how much better it is to develop code on the front now than it was ten years ago. And I'm like thank God like even if you just stopped now your life so much better than it was and I hope that continues to happen. I hope I look back in ten years and the way that you build a website as you go like I want facebook but but for cats and you hit enter and like that is in developers. Get to think about an entirely new classes of high level problems than they can then they can worry about today actually. I lied one more question when you were working on your company. I think it was twenty fourteen through twenty sixteen right. It was one of the company is called Eager Eager. How has the world diverged from where you thought it was going to go in that time? 'cause eager you you were making a specific bet on view of the future. How has that view of the future been diverged? What has come out differently than you anticipated? Aided I would say that everything happens somewhat disappointingly slowly so you really hope that sitting in two thousand fourteen world of being a developer or the world of having having a website would be dramatically different twenty thirteen and it isn't it really isn't you know plugging ecosystems pretty much the same right. Maybe US react act instead of using angular but the experience of Writing Code and how you get the code that you use and how someone install some code and how they add things to a website or make them better all all these pieces really work exactly the same and so the answer that I would give is like. I'm surprised at how long it actually takes things to really a change and you know I see a lot of the what we're trying to do cloudflare to be making it such that. Everyone can really use the Internet. Everyone everyone can build things on the Internet. Not just a tiny set of super technical people on the Internet started just being used by handful of researchers and it has gradually gradually expanded to the point where you know if you have a coffee shop. There's a way that you can make a website with limitations and I really see this journey as ending when every single person and can use the internet comfortably to build things and create things. Interact with things and not get hacked and not be in danger. Whatever they want on any device and I think we're still pretty early? I think the tool still require you to have like years and years of experience before you can really safely buildings on the Internet and there are so so many ways to shoot yourself in the foot that like you have to be very very skilled and experienced introduce security vulnerabilities for example so I just see it all happening much slower more than I expected. 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Market Volatility Breakdown, Abbott's Top Brass, SAP Co-CEO, and Cloudflare CEO

MAD MONEY W/ JIM CRAMER

46:46 min | 4 months ago

Market Volatility Breakdown, Abbott's Top Brass, SAP Co-CEO, and Cloudflare CEO

"My mission is simple to make you money on here to level the playing field for all investors. There's always more work in summer and I promised to help you find. It may have money starts now. Hey Al Kramer money. Walk Into Kramer. Erica. We WanNa make friends on this trying to make some money my job. It's not just entertainment. Educating teach you call me one eight hundred seventy three. Cbc or Tweet me at Jim Cramer when you talk to Grizzle Beckham's about this market as I do. They'll pretty much stay the same thing with unemployment spiking record levels. We're hearing forty. Seven million. People could lose their jobs. There's only thirty two percent unemployment stocks will soon collapse under their own weight. According to Morgan Stanley we could be looking at twenty five percent contraction and our gross domestic product my money manager friends role glued to the machine Senate glued and why of course like every Sunday night. They expect the futures to be down the limit. So how the heck could the market rally? Today I mean Dow gaining six hundred nine points. Three point three five percent. Nasdaq porting three point. Six percent simple because American science is at last in play science that may allow us to not only contain this virus but actually won the darn thing. Look I've been no means wanting to disparage the extraordinary efforts. We're making to get the pandemic under control to bend the curve so to speak. It's absolutely essential. It's why I've been calling for national lockdown much as it may rankle some we still have too many people gallivanting around like nothing's wrong. More than twelve hundred New Yorkers have died from this thing in a matter of weeks most in the last few days they oh god of him someone. New York City's a travesty. The Mayor Way to wait too long to impose the lockdown that we're all paying for so I think in nationwide shelter in place order would make a huge difference in the course of this pandemic. I WANNA nationwide travel ban to except for medical professionals is true. The traffic has dropped precipitously but still too much of it. We need people to stay in place. Not Spread this thing everywhere. We also need to solve this mass conundrum on Friday. We spoke to the CEO of Owens and minor makes he said hospitals normally order twenty thousand master now ordering two hundred and three hundred thousand now. The president suggested this weekend when he had the same executive in the Rose Garden. These hostels must be doing something. Maybe even affairs with him because he orders are so huge. I think it's a spike in demand spiking simply because nurses and doctors constantly need to change their mass to stop this insidious virus from spreading. That's why we need. We need a billion mask in gals that must be our goal one billion masking gals and we should do whatever it takes to make them or get them or procure them. I don't care it's unbearable seeing an American doctors and nurses wearing garbage bags because they don't have enough personal protective equipment. Shame on us. We better not most important. We need testing and then we need testing and more testing. We hadn't have Abbott Labs on tonight. They just rolled out a five minute test for Kobe. Nineteen that's the game changer. Maybe it will finally let us get ahead of this. Once we can tell whereas the disease and recovered from it we can start gradually opening up our economy again folly to lick this thing. We need to ninety eight pledge from big business that they won't lay off workers as long as the governor helped pay some at a cost. It's a tough nut to crack some businesses just can't afford it just macy's furloughing. Nearly all of their hundred thirty thousand employees. That's how you can contain this. Pandemic and help mitigate some of the economic damage but so far. We haven't been doing that job. So what explains this rally in? The faces truly grim predictions at the end of the day. Bending the curve won't beat this virus we have to do is it could save millions of lives. But it's not but it's not a long term solution. There's only one thing that can stop this economy from tumbling into Corona virus induced depression and that is science. We need a cure or a vaccine in the last twenty four hours. We've gotten some serious. Go ahead when it comes to potential treatments. I the FDA granted emergency approval for hydroxy chloroquine. That there are some but non peer reviewed studies suggesting this anti-malaria drug can potentially stop cove in nineteen in his tracks especially when combined with a Z at at at through Madison Azithromycin. You know what it is z pack. And that's an antibiotic. I am little skeptical in this one. you know. The president is hopeful very hopeful about this combination. These are old school. I'm Larry Drugs. They're no joke but the side confused severe honestly at things are bad enough that I think is worth prescribing this stuff to Krona virus-victims who don a preexisting heart conditions but please understand there are lots of people really competent doctors who say this is a dangerous combination so please it get excited but don't get too excited but get excited about this this warning Alex Gorski the CEO of Johnson Johnson talked about how companies developing a vaccine. That could be available early next year. The best part the scale. He's talking about a billion doses. Not Fifty thousand a million. That doesn't do us any good now but it could be our salvation next year. Nothing better comes along because this scourge is going to be back. He can't wipe this thing out in six months. It's coming back. Maybe we have something for when it does. I wouldn't lots of them. Better Roche's testing activists. It's a stroke. Drug could work against Cova created blood clots in the lungs perhaps the most promising the work for generations with monoclonal antibodies that directly target the spires. I think general may be our best hope of beating his thing and allowing everyone to go back to work. Maybe one of Julius in Uvira will work against this thing to although my money is on regeneration of course the clock is ticking. Knew the two point. Two trillion dollar economic life support package will help ms people get through the next month. The provision that allows employers to get loan forgiveness if they keep their employees on the roles is genius. It's going to really help the small business person and the people who work there but we need some insurance. We need something big. That will help working people especially healthcare workers. That's why we need to spend a lot more money issue a massive thirty year clothing war bond if we have to treasuries currently yield next to nothing the bomb markets desperate to give our government money the market with lap up a five hundred billion dollar. Beat the covy bond with a decent coupon come on Mister Secretary Pew it up. The main thing though is that the federal government needs to spend. I know we're starting to hear about something that plagued President Obama stimulus package shovel ready projects. Oh give me a break. We simply cannot afford to go down that path. We don't need to get the Best Bang for a buck with the stimulus. We just need people money. That's it in most of Europe. Governments are just paying one hundred percents of people's wages food duration. We want to avoid a depression but we wait for the scientists. Come up with something. That's the kind of thing we need. The Sea thing big. I've been saying for day one most important. We want testing and then testing and more testing. Forget so ready infrastructure projects. I WANNA testing center every blocked that we know who's healthy who's sick and who's immune because they've already recovered. I want their blood in the end. The weight and feet. This thing is to stay at home. Get tested when you don't feel well maintain fiscal discipline. Wash your hands. Get tested at home. Won't get people hard but it just might keep you live. I know it's bleak. I'm a natural optimus and I felt I felt it today. Separated from my wife by twenty twenty eight year old daughter. Who's an English teacher stuck in Madrid of all places watching our healthcare system implode right before is established Glenn Bags Clinics Webex? Marta Quebec's but the bottom line today the market says that maybe just maybe there could be some hope. Unfortunately tomorrow's another day let's go to Andrew New York Police Andrew. Jim I just wanted to first say that an anesthesiologist and things are really tough. New York. But if If everyone does their part like you said on a preview show wash hands stay away. We can get through this. I am with you. We are all with you. You are a frontline soldiers in. Thank you for doing what you're doing. Thank you anyway. My Star my stock is united healthcare. It's up quite a bit from its lows last week but I missed my opportunity or is it okay to start a position at this level. I would actually prefer to wait. I think this one is one. It's not that expensive but it's one that just had a huge bounce in a V eight. Pull back a little little more. W. Ish and then you'll be able to buy. I'd rather have you wait for this. One let's go to bill in Texas. Please bill agent who we are so. United Airlines was has the biggest swing these past couple of weeks compared to the other airlines with the help this recent bailouts and talk today with the DNC. Can we expect them decent growth soon or should we expect to see another significant drugs? No customers I and you have a lot of costs but my friends James Stewart was on Friday and he was speculating that listen go for the most down and out as well. You're looking at it so I may say this united just you know is different from say carnival. People will WANNA fly Sunday. Let's go to Cynthia Masters Weekly Cynthia. Hi Jan my question is about bed bath and beyond started buying you. There's about fifteen dollars. This chair in January through to recently and I'm found about fifty five percent. It's in it's in the news that it's been downgraded by the SMP. But not and just that distorts our closing in the US and Canada until April sometime until further. Notice which they do with this. I mean this is like many a retailer. I had there not been coded. I think that the term would be self evident with Kovin. It's just a house of pain. Kobe changed the game for retailers. And unless you're even one of the five or six retailers that I've been talking about that are going to take over the world A company that I like that bath on turn can't turn got to solve this. The only thing that can beat this fire stopped. Economy is signs and we're starting to see some promising progress on that front in the last seventy two hours. It's been quite hard on mad money tonight. Abbott Labs received emergency FDA approval for rapid coded nineteen tests which can tell if someone is infected in as little as five minutes and spun off to be used in almost any healthcare setting. Can you imagine we're going to sit down with the CEO's yes older new to talk about breakthrough then? I discovered a company benefiting the most from the current environment hour just ahead and I'm talking to the Cossio. Sap about other companies unique position to help companies adapt to the new normal in the workplace. So stay with. Framer. Don't miss a second of mad money. Follow at Jim. Cramer on twitter. I have a question. Tweak Gramer Hashtag mad tweets send Jimmy Mail to mad money at CNBC DOT COM or give us a call at one eight hundred seven four three CNBC something ed to mad money dot. Cnbc DOT com. This is the most exciting things happened since this period began. We can't get this economy going to beat the virus and you can't beat the virus without a lot more testing testing testing Portland lately. We've got a potential game changer. When Abbot laboratories launched a new molecular point of care tests that can detect the krona virus? In as little as five minutes. This is a very big deal and assertiveness moment for the Great American Enterprise Abbott Right when the company's longtime CEO Malls White is about the past towards to a successor by the way underrates leadership over the past twenty one plus years. The stocks gave me a monster. Seven hundred eighty eight percent return. So let's check in with miles waste bankable chairman CEO of Abbot Labs and Robert Ford and carve president. Coo Tastes over the CPO tomorrow. Gentlemen congratulations and welcome to mad money. Jim could be here all right. Miles let me start with you because you are the dean of the entire industry. What kind of enterprise are you leaving Robert with well? I'm leaving with one right now. That's going four seven trying to provide tests to make contribute contribution to fight in corona virus. I think it's pretty strong organization and I'm really proud of the management team and Robert for all they've been able to do and demonstrate. I leave a company that is just a tremendous collection of great managers that that can sustain our business and hopefully do something to help. Fight this virus Robert for the first time in a long time and it wasn't teary eyed so grateful because of everybody's lives being disrupted when I heard you this machine when I urge you could do five minutes realized. We're going to win this war but we were missing was the opportunity to be able to beat this on the spot. Tell us how it could possibly work this fast Robert. Well it's great to be here. Jim also let me let me start off by just thanking the abbot scientists. The manufacturing supply chain teams. They've been working twenty four seven to get this done and a lot of partnership with the FDA to be able to get this done in record time but the the idea now system which is our rapid point of care molecular tasks can do the test and a little bit five minutes. An innovation is incredible. It uses molecular technology to be able to identify a very unique kind of virus genome through an amplification process. And it does it Amplify it over a billion times in this little box to be able to find that virus and yet it's still very simple to use. Take a swab a nasal swab. You put that Swab into cartridge. That's got reagents chemicals. You close the LID. You follow the instructions on the test screen on the touch screen and you get a result in an as fast as five minutes. So if I'm at a hospital and I am worried about my doctors. Which is the the frontline soldiers in this war? I am able to determine whether they are sick on the spot absolutely. And that's and that's been focus actually as we've had conversations with administration we've had conversations with the task force with the FDA. We've had a lot of conversations with governors from different states over the weekend to be able to look at how we're going to allocate this test to be able to test as many people as we can the first priority as we roll out is our frontline workers The the Er doc the ICU nurse. The police officers frontline workers. That are taking care of us. We don't do but we do tests and we want to make sure that their test these these these people are safe so that they can take care of us all right so miles. I have to when it comes to add it. Abbott never stops at one thing. I have to believe that fifty thousand today. Maybe it's going to be maybe a hundred thousand in two weeks or more than that or a new kind of test. Maybe even one we can use at home. Don't have to go to a car line donuts. Someone's sticking our nose. We look and we decided we go back to work. Is that possible sir. It is possible and you know I have to say well. We're very pleased with the performance that that we've been able to deliver here. We've we've launched two tests in the last couple of weeks. There are still more and there's a need for more we have a collection of technologies and formats. We've got multiple. Rnd teams at work. There are more tests coming. There are serology test antibody tests were were looking at automated versions of that and what we call lateral flow version. That's more like a pregnancy test. It's a it's a test. That doesn't require instrumentation. All of those are a matter of weeks to a couple of months away and those teams are working around the clock. Just like the ones who brought idea now to us Worked and the ones who brought the automated test on the two thousand so there are more tests coming. They're also putting a Lotta effort in the organization to capacity expansion because while fifty thousand a day sounds like a lot. It's not enough and we know that and for a while we'll be allocating prioritizing too high need areas as Robert Syndicated. We know that that fighting this virus and being able to go back to a world. That's more normal is going to require a lot of testing in the right places with rapid turn around and fortunately we have multiple formats to do that with so yes. That's all possible. Robert you just heard model save maybe get back to the way it was when I think about the testing to me. That is what's key to get people back to work. I have to believe that the president knows what you're doing Dr Fouled. She knows what you're doing that the FDA FDA is so on the case to let this happen and this is the breakthrough in looking for. We had thermo. I Love Thermo. I think Roche is great but those turnarounds are not fast enough for the American people. This is correct. Well those are great companies. Also and I think we've got a look at this comprehensively without a doubt. The poincare is a game changer. To be able to do it in five minutes we've been in conversations as I said with administration with the Task Force to be able to kind of deploy this in a way that allows us to test as many people as we can but as miles said fifty thousand per day is not enough so we have to rely also on the lab instruments. That are in the labs in the hospitals to be able to kind of support all testing needs and as miles said. We had an approval ten days ago for our lab instrument. That's gone very well. We've shipped over a million tests by the end of this week and we're going to double that. During the month of April two so we have to test and ABBOTS is definitely looking as mile said across different form factors different types of testing an environment. So that we can get there okay. So very no one. I speak to Lynch light for. Generally speaking the people rose to the People. I literally everybody WHO's involved in trying to come up with a vaccine. What I hear about it. And she got have serology. I know that miles mentioned that Robert. Explain to people. How if we knew the blood if we had the blood of people who have beaten this what this could mean to be able to get our country back. I get super important. And that's why we kicked off Four teams the serology team is the third team. They've got the light shining on them right now and it is very important to be able to detect there to antibodies that are important to detect the antibody which is more of an acute antibody kind of pops up and then come down after about four days and then antibody which lasts collapse for about a year so if you know that for for some reason you were infected you got over it. You now know that you've had the antibodies and that's going to be important as we really look to as we look to reopen the country so miles you've been unbelievable. Stewart of great American company. Did you ever for minute think this thing could beat us you know. I think we're all properly challenged in. Meaning we're we're taking it seriously. We're afraid of it but at the same time or afraid of the damage it can do. Do I think and can beat us? No I don't think it can beat us. I think the frustrating thing is the time it takes for us to come back at it. I'm excited about the announcement. Jim J. made today and I hope to God they can get there faster than any other companies with with vaccines CANTU. Because we're GONNA need vaccines. We're going to need medicines. We're going to need a lot of things for a long time in order to beat it. Do I think are are scientists will beat it? We'll beat it and someday there will be another one that will have to beat so we'll learn from this one and we'll be ready if it ever happens again. Okay Robert last question when I look at it and I can be like a pregnancy test in mile said. What I'm envisioning is that there could be something maybe even by the summer where we could get tested all of us. If we decide you know what? I don't feel well that we could get tested. Maybe even over the counter by prescription. Because if we don't feel well we stay at home and if we do feel well we go back to work and we get the country moving and is that a possible vision. I think that's definitely possible vision. Maybe the summer might be very ambitious. But that's how we're working at it. We believe that we can scale up these these tests and I actually believe that you know we're going to have this. Cova Test Available. Not just beyond the you know the summer but maybe into the fall so that as you said if I feel a little that I need to get a test I can get a test so miles tell me. How's he ministration handling this gym? I can only comment on that from the perspective of the testing and I would tell you that the administration has been incredibly supportive. They've acted with urgency and professionalism. I'm particularly impressed with frankly all the support this come from the White House and from the FDA the FDA has turned cartwheel's here. I've never seen anything like it in my thirty five years at Abbot. Since nineteen eighty five when the first HIV blood screening test was done Dr Fao. She knows that but the FDA's done here with the review and the approval of tests has been phenomenal and incredibly supportive and so is the administration. So I have nothing but positive things to say about it. There's been no obstacle here. All the companies in our industry have been working twenty four seven to create these tests. And we've had all the necessary. Thank you so much down. The miles white outgoing. Ceo Robert Ford CEO at labs great to see you and best of luck it's official. The chronic viruses created magnificent bull market. Remember always say you got to find the bull market summer when it is in cloud computing. I've been telling you this for weeks but even I didn't realize the full extent of it folks Dan into a red Microsoft update on. Its as your cloud services this weekend and the numbers. They knocked my gold toe socks off. Listen to this quote. We've seen a seven hundred and seventy five percent increase of our cloud services in regions that have enforced social distancing or shelter in place order. You heard me seven hundred seventy five percent increase. It's not just as your Microsoft points to a quote significant spike spike in quote teams. Use that collaboration platform which now has forty four million daily users last week those users generated over nine hundred million meeting and calling minutes on the teams platform every day. These numbers are standing considerable much equipment. They need to meet this kind of demand. I needed a massive data center built up much. We have right now. We got a hint when things were heating up when Micron mentioned stronger datacenter orders for their chips when they're on the show s week so who benefits your besides Mike Run. Will you gotTa Think? About data centers that means invidia that means a n which is also by the way making a killing the processors for laptops and those are flying off. The shelves Intel works to same reasons. Second we all know. Zoom videos got incredible traffic. It's part of logic doing well but now I'm starting to wonder CISCO's webex video collaboration business which is roaring. I figured it wouldn't be enough to move the needle when so many of Cisco's other businesses are likely to experience slowdowns because of global GDP declined but maybe Webex will be big enough to offset that we just back in the days. When radio show we fell in love with sixes product for real time. Stay in touch software. Spend a monster winner lately as slack. Which is just like. Microsoft's teams but let's not bury lead people we now know. Microsoft huge beneficiary from the lockdowns as your platforms gaining adherents in part because retailers. Don't want to send business to Amazon web services as a blow to the largest competitor. Meanwhile Mexico's bread and butter. Windows outlook were installed in the vast majority of laptops and notebooks that? Stay at home. Workers now getting from their employers their substrate programs are getting better and better. I hear that slack bashing better teams but teams. Well let's just say it's embedded now. They're still one big worry from Microsoft most other tech companies supporter economy. I'm expecting a major worldwide slowdown. So there's a real possibility that Mike Sauce booming cloud business could get cut back. Millions laid off however I think the rapid fire adoption of Saas cloud platform over icees macro concerns. Don't over think this one Microsoft stock is a by. Of course I'd like it to come data to this gigantic rally but Microsoft. It may be the best tech stock in this market. Stay with me. We're going to get through this one piece. We need much beaten. Get FORTY A lot of businesses stepping. Take sap the German soper company. They're offering a slew of products for free to help their customers cope with the pandemic. So for the helps. Companies hire external workers so that helps organizations procure much needed supplies tools. That can help measures check in on their employees. Who are working remotely. This is what being a good corporate citizen looks like. So let's take a closer look Jennifer Morgan. Sap's new co CEO Your Company's addressing the pandemic and other things that he's doing this morning and welcome to make money. Kim Thank you for having me okay. So Jennifer Week. I've been talking to labs. Apparently you're involved without it and I think could be the game changer. That gets US ahead of this illness. Jim We are so first of all. Let me start with a huge. Thank you to all the people who are on the front lines in this pandemic they are the true heroes in the our is our debt and so to be able to partner with Abbott amazing customer of ours to help them team around. This irises is really special. Prosecutor require that. So will you help make it so that it gets where it has to go more easily exactly exactly you know Jim when you think about our business what we've always done is realistic to demand signals supply signals and now more than ever sentiments sentiment is really really important of virtual world all that together and make sure that we need when they need it speaking of sentiment you know our countries and trump in trouble journeys and trump in any trouble but I? I think you're stepping up to the plate and making it so that your workers don't need to be afraid over the next three months a pledge absolutely so Jim. Our pledge is that there will be no significant layoffs at sap over the next ninety days and we're focused on on our employees and we're focused on our customers and getting through this together and you're doing that because that's the way sap operates that's how we all right now you role in a lot of different directions. You know about customer behaviour better than anyone. You know Kobe. Kobe nineteen response. What's it really look out there? Don't I mean I got the economists from Wall Street? Tell me abetted his. But you're in the trenches. What is really going on so to? I'll talk about Jim. What is employees knew? This world went virtual overnight and companies are struggling to make sure that their employees brocade and thin steak. They're healthy. They have the tools that they need to be productive. But that doesn't add the first week that they're we all know that every week it's changing really really fast wall tricks would you? Great Company came into the. Sat family last year and they're focused on sentence. One of the first things we did something called remote work else and we've got over five thousand companies. You jumped on more amusing for free in his way to really listen to what's going on with your employees because this is changing every single that right right from city to work with other people at home when my kids were learning how Jimmy L. and gets really interesting when you really ask people are they. Okay what do they need? You get the real honest truth. And there's a lot of people who are alone and who are isolated so mental health is something that has to be on the minds of all companies today because making sure. Your boys are healthy. That they have what they need is going to be critical to anything or they can be Fall Culture is key and we hope that many other companies will will really take advantage of this offer. Jimmy seen a spike of about you know in the triple digits of companies were really watching these ulcers just essentially. Listening survey has rather than react to what happened yesterday. You have really prepare. What is the world Tomorrow voice the needs more than a big part of getting alternate okay. You bought one of our favorite companies concur. I which we using everybody uses. Because it's the best. What is that showing by the way travel is travel just ended so it shows what you would think. Jim. I mean. We're not travelling really right now. They'll tell you what's been great about this car. Has something called locate and a Lotta company went on his travel mandates in place in time emergency? We'll be able to very quickly locate employers and make sure that they got home safely. A big part of what could hurt us as well. Her author bandages Employees with our staff so when you look at some of the trends that were seeing Expect work is still happening. You are still spending. Employees are still expensive. But it's just a little different. It looks a little bit different. We see over in China. We see that picking up a little bit more based on what we were seeing Has Reducing incur back in January so does Cuba's leading indicators is an incredible network of information in also? You touched on this incredible source information. Rivas another source you know. We have a big network. If you think about not network is basically the business version of ebay or Amazon. We got about four and a half million. Companies buyers and suppliers transact about just about reached trillion. Commerce is over time like this. You know what I've talked to other. Ceo's out there. The number one thing that they're focused on is new networks supply. Where can I get used? Sources of supply? Last week we opened that up to the world to use the rebus report free so that we can bring together the demand in the slot. We had a construction company who was trying to repair a building to become a hospital in needed. Bet Faina we cannot them with another supplier in thirty minutes. Five hundred may need an stories on and on but this is what we're doing. This is how a company like ours which is last. How great business in bring that to the world and makes your company's also been opportunistic. They'll be companies that the stocks will be down but the companies aren't the companies are doing well and you see so. Is this time or do you have to wait to cove conquered that? Sap can be looking around trying to figure out what your next move is Jim. We got a great great portfolio now. And we're just getting started with new combinations that polio and so I'm very confident with the combination of all the solutions. We not right now may customers maybe just one or two of our solutions in have the opportunity to take advantage of others and really now is the time Either OUR CUSTOMERS. No strings attached. Make sure that we bring the best That this is what we do. We cannot demand I. We bringing the sentiment. We help companies actively and a lot of times. We're not talking about these things because they were business. It seems more time late this. It's pretty well our good friend bill. Mcdermott your predecessor sale tells me that one thing. I should know about you. You're about as competitive as it comes. How's the competitive landscape? It's about time like this gym. Is it's really great to see companies coming together regardless of whether they compete. And that's what I love and that's the spirit I love and a time like this and that raises the best. Everybody individuals teams companies from a competitive perspective. We feel good about our time like this reminds us that our portfolio is very vast very rich sustainably relevant right. It's all business problems. This is something really proud refurnishes. The lot of the other technology companies are out today because after success from Laura. You got a great spirit. I thank you so much for coming on on mad money. It's great to meet you Jennifer Morgan co-ceo AP thank you. Money's back into the break trying to make sense of things for you tonight in the face of this incredibly difficult but panicky tape. I like to buy hysteria not selling by him not sell. We don't advocate pin is. It's not a strategy to companies in the last one third and the ones that are really but bounces best. That's what you must be what day we have your back. We'll get through this gather. It is time. Seven and lighting round is over. Are you ready scheme? Peter Collar appear. Yuck we I paid are out here in Colorado. We give very very high demand. Great Ski Mountain Operations. What do you think of Vail resorts? I'm going to take a pass on that one because I do think that that is still regarded as being a place where people can get sick. Let's just put it that way. Maybe it's not true but that's what I understand. Let's go to deal Minnesota. Do Your Grandmother. My question I wanNA move is for General Dynamics stock. You've done to buy and you WANNA buy defense stocks right here right now but I prefer to be L. Three Harris which is come all the way down to three and one eighty one down fifty. Sunda bias go to Steven in New York. Steve in perfected cream. Thank you bring in real life to the dome of darkness. We're living in their best. I've always been a fan of Henry. Shine H. S. I C. and Thursday shining out of an antibody rapid blood tests dating to test delivers results within fifteen minutes with a pinprick and they anticipate having a leaf several hundred thousand tests available this week and significantly war beginning in April. 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There's there's no I don't know what's stock. Caesar's inserts done really. Well maybe they know I mean unless they know that. Sure I would say so I don't know anything about so. Let's go to Matthew New York Matthew. Hey Jim thanks for taking my call of course talking to you for my shelter in place that big government at all right which is which is arguably the capital the traditional ad agencies. Toy your thoughts on yeah. I'd like your thoughts on Advertising Golden Company on the Cup Group on the kindness could end up being the winner in this group. A lot of other companies aren't even GonNa make so. I think that this is one of those last man standing situations that I really really like. Let's and you get that Nice Hue. Let's go to Barbara. Barb high has an offer from Xerox to acquire shares HD stock for cash or xerox soccer combination of cash a couple of hundred shares of Xerox stock or I just keep my shares of HP considering the fundamentals of each company. And my age. Which sixty three would you recommend owning either hd or Xerox? We're not xerox their whole thing. They're awful thing that was very unappealing and ill advised. I do like HP Q. Because they have a good business getting better typically because so many people doing things remotely and remotely means you need. Hp Hewlett Packard Notebooks that Ledger inclusion of the be wrong is sponsored by two D. Ameritrade. We know this pandemic spin terrible for the economy's a whole somebody believes record because I mentioned earlier. It's been driven for the stay at home. Economy the sulfur companies allied to work remotely or practically Queenie money. They're like the guys who made fortune selling picks and shovels during the California gold rush take cloudflare which break up which provides a broad range of network services to companies all over the globe making them more secure enhancing the performance of business critical applications and a bunch of different content delivery services into a single platform. We had these guys on February nineteenth. That was right the peak but since then cloudflare stocks rallied thirty three percent. There are sensitive to stay at home economy because businesses rely on their software to assure their networks are running smoothly and if it were still understanding the scale. This opportunity to stop could be more to run. Don't take it from me. Let's dig deep with Matthew Prints. She's the CO founder and CEO of cloudflare for more about how is copies helping us cope with his debit prints. Welcome back to money. Thanks for having me on Jim. Y'All got a lot to feel the only real company that's doing well in this environment is zoom. The fact is that cloudflare. This is a time that we all need you. If we're going to be working at home don't we have to work with cloudflare? What I think that the real heroes of what's going on. Obviously the the people that are responding to this on the front lines the medical professionals scientists that are working on a cure but the the reliable sidekick for all of this has been the Internet and specifically the cloud and so I think companies like zoom companies like cloudflare as we help companies. Make sure they can continue to work. You know. We're incredibly proud of the role that we're playing today but one thing's for certain the Internet was not built for what it has to handle right now and you recognize that most of the companies. I deal with accepting the Internet as it. Is You have a different view of what the Internet can be. Well I think the Internet was really designed to deal with a different type of crisis if you look back to the original days that was designed around. How do you make a communication network? Could survive a nuclear war literally. I think that that original design has gotten US along way but over the last ten years. What we've done at cloudflare is help. Build a better internet and that is why are companies. The people who rely on us every day are able to weather. Whatever this crisis is throwing at us and we're seeing incredible volumes across the Internet. But I think it's pretty amazing. I can't imagine another public utility that doubled its usage which is what we're seeing around the world that it would continue to function and yet. I think that that's that's the case and I think cloudflare and I'm really proud of our entire team is playing one small part in helping. Make sure that happens. You're growing you. Millions of customers. Come what I want to know is ACA my Amazon alphabet. Microsoft cloudflare why cloudflare. Why do I go cloudflare? The real thing that's valuable about us is that we provide one global network where we've been able to continue to scale to meet the needs that our customers have and so if you look over the course of just the last week. I've been incredibly proud of the fact that we've been able to board when the largest medical providers in the world where we have almost twenty thousand of their employees there now relying on our network in order to be able to work remotely. One of the largest telemedicine providers in the world is using cloudflare in order to make sure that their physicians are able to work remotely around the world and we have one independent network that will allow us to scale and actually accelerate the rate at these. These companies are able to get their their business done and again. I'm incredibly proud of our team. And we're proud of the fact that we're able to help. These companies continue to do their work even this crisis. Okay so let's go back to one of those telemedicine which big is here to say so in other words when I use one of these telemedicine providers what I really hook into is the cloudflare network. What's happening is typically. These providers have had to work from their clinics. And when they do that they have different regulatory and compliance requirements that ensure that they have to be able to keep the data on their patients secure now as all. These providers are having to work from home. They don't have that same ability to access their systems. They're not working from within that secured environment. So what cloudflare allows is people to tap into our network. Get that same sort of secured environment and be able to work from home and so for someone like telemedicine provider. It's helped them stay online and be able to continue to serve patients. I get it okay. Now one of the things that you guys are famous for is elections. There are a lot of people who are worried that there may not be a traditional election in November in this country. What to say you know. I think it's something where you know. We really think that we have a public duty to do what we can. To ensure that the critical functions of our society continue to work and so we continue to work with state local and federal officials in order to ensure that any of the election systems that are up and running can be secured from what is increased amounts of threats that are happening during this perilous time. And so I. I don't know exactly what's going to happen but we were. We stand ready to provide our services to any governments anywhere in this country. That need help. Making sure that their election infrastructure stands up and that we can have a free and fair election. Well this question labcorp is a client. Labcorp is at the front lines of trying to get testing done for Kobe. What do you do to help them? So that we get the quickest and most accurate testing from lockport will fundamentally what we do is. We make sure that they're whenever they have to rely on a network whether that's their employees getting worked on or their their systems where people fill out requests for lab testing that stays reliable and it stays up and available throughout this and so where you see different medical systems different physicians. That are that are needing to be reliable. We're the company that's helping make sure that the network works the way we all need it to work again. I think that that the the Internet is going to be one of the real heroes of this crisis and again. We're really proud of the small role that we're playing in in making sure that's the case you're playing a larger role in your take your humble man that's matthew prints. Ceo of of cloudflare and a terrific stock member outperformer even since the top of the market. 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SN 776: A Tale of Two Counterfeits - Twitter Hack, Cloudflare Outage, Zoom's Vanity URL Flaw

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SN 776: A Tale of Two Counterfeits - Twitter Hack, Cloudflare Outage, Zoom's Vanity URL Flaw

"It's time for security now. Steve Gibson is here. He's going to take a look at the twitter hack of last week. The cloudflare problem last week we'll also check in with a security couple of security research. Who made little? Reporting a flaw in a counterfeit device, and then Steve's going to delve deep into the problem of counterfeit network devices. It's all coming up next unsecurity now. Security now comes to you from twits last pass studios. Stay in control when it comes to your company's access points in authentication last pass makes security simple for your remote workforce checkout last past dot com slash twit to learn more lose. PODCASTS you love from people, you trust. This is! This is security now. Episode, seven, hundred, seventy, six recorded, Tuesday July, twenty, first, twenty, twenty, a tale of two counterfeits. This episode of security now is brought to you by worldwide technology and Cisco. 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Now Show we cover your security your privacy how the Internet works and all sorts of interesting things because of this guy. Right here, the most interesting man in the World Steve. Oh? I don't drink beer, but you. You do I don't know. He's coughing version here. The coffee version of the most interest. Steve Gibson's all your C dot. com they always. We are closing in on the end of fifteen years. We've got security now. Episode seven hundred and Six or July twenty first. titled a Tale of two counterfeits, and I realized when I was done. Maybe it should have been three, but I wasn't sure that that just having to counterfeits with fit on the lower third, because that was sort of a that was pushing things to have the title that long, so that okay, we'll just go with easier. Yeah, but first before we get into stuff. After last week's podcast. During, which I rather clearly expressed my lack of understanding of some people's sensitivity to terminology. A number of our listeners reached out to share their distress and disappointment with me. I responded to each and every one of the people who wrote and we engaged in. Lock. I am embarrassed in the presence of their grace. And I sincerely apologize to those listeners who am I offended with my rant, which belittled something that they're sensitive to? That's not my place. This is not to say that I. fully appreciate the sensitivity to terminology that clearly has nothing to do with racial prejudice. But thanks to the conversations. I had with some of our listeners. The way I can understand this. is by seeing this change in terminology for what it represents. It's a proxy for some clearly very much needed progress toward the recognition of the full equality that we are each obviously entitled to by birth. So I get it. And the other thing I get is that no one is tuning into this podcast for an update on my feelings about social justice. I am so impressed by the quality of our listeners. Put Her has probably never seen such civilized dialysis. Yeah. Thank you all for putting up with me. Now? Let's talk about some stuff that I do understand yeah. No. No, no, thank you for raising that issue and I think no harm. No foul I think. One of the advantages of this terminology change. We've talked about this before. Is it actually replaces things like blacklist white? With denial listing allow list which frankly I think are better terms anyway. More accurate, much more communicative, more informational, and if if if it hurt somebody's feelings, regardless of its you know genesis, then don't use it. It's okay it's fine, and the trend continues. Apple has now joined that list. We were talking about the Lennox Colonel Community last week. Get hubs doing it. Some more and more getting rid of these terms that are just offensive to some, and I have no well, and and and as I as I said I I really think what it represents is an awareness, an increase in sensitivity, which is obviously been lacking for decades I. Mean like you know we're still there, so. I understand with some some merit say Oh, come on, do with that, or that's a minor thing, but it's not for us to say. It's for the people for whom it's offensive to say and I think it's appropriate if they're bothered by, it to get rid of it, and there is a lot of unconscious racism in the way we speak. And if we can route that out. More you know better. We're all better off. We all absolutely a thank you Steve So. This week of course as is has probably every podcast you've done Leo. We have to talk about what happened at twitter. I don't. Probably our listers. No, but. It has to be covered because it was a major event for the industry yeah. We're also GONNA. Look at checkpoints, discovery of the headline grabbing warm -able DNS vulnerability that's been present in all windows servers for the past seventeen years. We touch on last week's patch Tuesday look at cloudflare's suppressing outage and what? was. It's 'cause. Another glitch in zooms product. And Seven. In quotes no logging VPN providers whose logs were all found online. we cover some other quick news, some interesting spin right development developments then we're going to examine the problem of counterfeit networking equipment, which as our picture of the week shows is actually a big problem because I can't tell which one is the fake so I think another great podcast for our listeners. You missed a good opportunity which is a fake. That would have been a good title to our show. Today brought to you by world. We'll get to the show in a segment are should they brought to you by? Our sponsors can't gotta have a sponsor. 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This is how you thwart the most advanced tax. This is the way to do with these days and they can do that too for you. No matter what field you work in look, security is absolutely paramount. See WWW can protect your business assets and intellectual property with a holistic security approach. Here's what you do. Go to www dot com slash twit and get started. They are amazing, folks and I really not only appreciate them i. just really like them. I think they're great worldwide technology. Help you ww dot, com slash, twit, wwe. Delivering digital outcomes and modernizing it infrastructure. Back to you Steve. So our picture of the week is it's it's from a report that will be getting to at the end of the show that f secure did of their analysis of to fake Cisco Routers. And this photo shows the authentic one next to the fake one now I'm I looked ahead. I think the left. One is fake because his silkscreen is lighter on the on the label. And you're correct, but that's just. That was I mean? Look, how close! It could have been either. In the in the text of their report, they noted that the that the counterfeits used white ink for the port numbering, whereas the authentic Cisco used a grey ink, so it is a little bit brighter white hardly. Wow and they said that the shape of the button was different, but like again. If you if you didn't have them if you didn't have a real one. To me like right next to it took a pair with you'd think the shape of the fake button was just fine. Because you know it's Square and bevelled and. Just right, I mean it's just it's amazing. How close these are so anyway? I just thought they would be fun to make it the picture of the week because it we'll. We'll be talking about this later, but boy that the. Of of. Networking equipment may fits turns out to be a big deal. You know it's not just rolex watches and ladies handbags that are being counterfeited and. We should just talk about twitter. I think everybody by now Leo knows that there was a big event that happened on Wednesday of last week Twitter's the one thing that's missing from the most up to date information. I've seen is any sense for who did it and I'm sure that's if they have any idea. That's embargoed because they're not wanting to get in the way of law, enforcement or whatever forensics, they may have New York Times, angered a guy named Kirk. At hurt I mean I don't think they've assumed that's the identity. He assumed they'd have an associated that with a real person. But there is a New York Times where they talked. It's interesting because Kirk before he perpetrated this. was reaching out to a bunch of SIM swampers. These are guys who are exactly militias. They make money by hacking single letter, twitter domains, or or but they call gee domains, short, clever twitter domains and selling them to the highest bidder. Like at six at six. That were at why right? Yeah, but these guys so kirk was talking to them. Saying look, I can do these things you know. How much did you pay, but they got bored. Apparently according to their story anyway and they didn't follow up. But then shortly thereafter. He. Did use his admin console to perpetrate spammy hack. So. Is He a twitter employees? We think Oh. Okay got gotta read the story because what? Twitter has not admitted to this. Whether it's true is unknown, but there seems to be good evidence that the way kirk got this. Twitter only says socially engineered our guys right is he got into their private slack channel? Where twitter had pinned the credentials for the God mode interface. Oh, Wow, that's. A good one. Man so all he really has to say. Hey, here's panel yet. Your Password on the blackboard post camera crew is going to come in and do an interview. Can you believe now? That's The New York Times story and I think that it's well source because they they got screen shots from these guys and they got a lot of stuff from these guys to verify that they were talking to this guy and so forth. but twitter has not. Confirmed so. Much tests I'm glad to add got glad that that you know. We talked about this because you had more up to date information. Story, there. Yeah twitter's note from Friday to and you know. They talked about one hundred thirty eight accounts and. Of One hundred, thirty, eight, forty, five were a messed with, and then eight people there was there had some internal tool. called your twitter account or something that was used eight times, so you mean they're. They're painting the best picture they they can. You know it's funny, too. Because I got an email from Jason in the afternoon on Wednesday saying Hey Steve We'd love to have you on Thursday morning to talk about this on on our show Can't. Can you do that I said Yeah, sure so I'd attempted to tweet the news to my followers that I would be on on Thursday morning, and I was blocked I got the weirdest lake. We know this looks like a box is trying to post. So bought off has like. They were so ending accounts to. They were getting very aggressive about this. They didn't want him back because I'm sure years was suspended two because you and I are both. What does it with? This little were verified check barra fide, and so they did a blanket block of all verified users just and then there were other people who had anyone who had changed their password. Recently, that raised their flag of suspicion, so they blocked any posts from those accounts being. You know they really did respond quickly as quickly as they could yeah. Yeah this is the New York Times article came out on Friday. This is a fascinating. Story the reason. Is it perhaps more important than just? Oh, twitter, which who cares is that the president uses this and many other leaders. Use this as a messaging system to tell the world what they're up to. It's terrifying to think that any of these accounts could've been compromised and it was obvious when it started that it was not your. It wasn't a password hacker. Your average everyday hack because. Accounts like bill. Gates and Joe Biden's and Barack Obama's all of which were hacked. Almost certainly have higher levels of security. On them. Brian just using Mikey one-two-three as I- Password. There's clearly had to be. Clearly obviously sight Java. Yeah, that was our. And the nature of the tweets it was a send you know two for one deal on Bitcoin send you know whatever you send me I'll double it and send it back to you and you know last I heard. Was the I think well I, said on on Thursday on on Jason showed that that I had seen three hundred thousand dollars had been transferred into the bitcoin account. I haven't seen that again. I've seen more like one hundred and twenty thousand so. It's hard to tell out of money was made. The nature we know the bitcoin account, so you can look at the blockchain and see what was going on with it, but the hackers routinely will put put money into it. Take money out to obfuscate what they're making the best. So I like you. I saw hundred thousand, but the best information came from finance, which is a bitcoin exchange which said they had blocked. A quarter of a million dollars of attempted transfers into that account. So how that's their customers, saying I'd like to give some money to Joe Biden and get doubled, so it might have been more sex successful hack than. appeared to be and if it weren't for finance blocking those transfers, it could have been a lot more money it does make you wonder though if you had this God mode. Yes! What would? What would you do with it? And maybe maybe this is misdirection. Maybe Kirk is really you know Vladimir. And and he's up to other things, so we don't. That's why I wonder. What's really going on here. Well and what I said when I was talking to Jason on Thursday was that you know I I? Don't know whether he knew but you and I talked years ago. Back at the Sony. Entertainment Hack where there was a advanced persistent threat that had been found their network, and you know I, said famously on the podcast. I don't want the job of trying to secure something like Sony. Yeah. You know that's impossible. It's I mean literally impossible, and so what what this suggests. Is that that clearly? It was a mistake to if the credentials for this thing word. Stapled in the slack channel so that it could be seen, but the, but also the idea that A. That the bar is not hire to doing something like that. For example and I talked about how you know. There are protocols that use a majority voting approach with crypto where compromising a single individual wouldn't wouldn't render the company vulnerable. You'd if you a secret, a shared secret could be shared for example among nine people, but you've gotta get three of them to all. Agree, in order to cause something to happen that way. If you have a large enough body of people who can be involved, you're not worried about getting locked out because you know. Mauri is gone for the day, but at the same time. It just put it I mean protecting the people from from being. suckered in doing something with a social engineering attack so I. Think this also suggests that. Twitter's become as you said Leo. So crucial I mean black, bizarrely important on. Important. On the global scale well, it also is kind of unconscionable, because twitter is not the first so a contractor. When leaving his job at twitter two years ago, you might remember this disconnected president. Trump's account deleted it. And then of course Jackson Account, the CEO. His account was hacked a couple of months ago. You would think that at this point twitter would of be on notice. that. Maybe they should be doing a better job. This is not a toy anymore, but they know that allows people to send one hundred forty characters between their phones. It's. It's become a lot more than that, so and we anyway. Time says that it was the slack channel that you know. They got that from hackers. Who knows if that's true but? Old. Criminals allegedly everything so far because. Unless we get officially and who knows when, and or if what will get officially from doubt. Yeah! Yeah. That's what's known now. I get sort of puts the industry on notice that this stuff, which just started off being kind of like? Look are they? Are they making any money yet? Leo, or are they still waiting to make money? They've had profitable quarters, but they're not exactly rolling in the dough. We don't really have an economic model, but we're going to let the whole world used this to talk to itself and good luck. Yeah. We'll, we'll make up in volume. So cigarette. As checkpoint research said this is not just another vulnerability. This month's big scary worm. -Able Vulnerability! Turns out to have been present in windows server versions since Windows Server, two thousand three, which actually did come out two, thousand and three. Unlike. Windows, ten, twenty, four to two, thousand, four, which came out in two thousand twenty, but anyway You'll get to my windows. Rent little, but later. This big! This problem has been present in all subsequent versions of Windows Server. Since including. Server twenty, nineteen, which is the most recent release of windows server so without knowing it. We've been living with this in our midst for the past seventeen years. its discoverer was checkpoint research as I mentioned who named it? Sig read and I'll explain where sick Cossiga's in signature because that's about a DNS sex signing stuff signing records I was assigned to C., V., e., twenty, twenty, thirteen, fifty, and I'm always suspicious when I see such a low CV. Number. I wonder if they're going to have to start, randomize ing them. Because you know, you can tell how old it is from how small it is, you know we're in July of twenty twenty, so a thirteen fifty. That happened right at the. Near the beginning of the year, and it's like okay, especially considering how serious the guys at checkpoint think this is, so it's warm, -able meaning that it can propagate among any and all windows servers. WHO's? Who that can be induced to make a DNS query and turns out. There are lots of clever ways that can be done and the checkpoint research guys did all that. It's triggered. By the receipt of a specially crafted DNS response. And since Windows Server Services runs with elevated system privilege. If it's exploited, an attacker gets full domain, admin rights effectively compromising the entire corporate infrastructure and many who looked at this realized this could have been a flash worm of of the sort of like slammer, which remember it took, was it thirty minutes to take over all the vulnerable systems on the Internet. It is loaded this. Is a self propagating word so yeah? The end the way checkpoint explained their discovery. That is why they went. Looking was sort of interesting. They wrote quote. Our main goal was to find a vulnerability. There would let an attacker compromise. A windows domain and -ment preferably unauthenticated. They said there's a lot of research by various independent security researchers as well as those sponsored by nation states, most of the published and publicly available materials and exploits focus on Microsoft's Internet. Of and no one's going to be surprised by this. B.! Server message blocks I e eternal, blue and RDP, the remote desktop protocol blue keep protocols as these targets affect both servers and end points. They said to obtain domain admin privileges. A straightforward approach is to directly exploit the domain controller. Therefore, we decided to focus our research. On a less publicly explored attack surface that exists primarily on windows, server and domain controllers windy Ns. For anyone who's interested in the in their really detailed. Tech stuff I've got a link in the show notes. Because it's it's very detailed, and well frankly, and it's wonderful and takes a step by step through checkpoints process, so I'll just hit the high points. For every query type that a DNS server makes there is a corresponding reply. What checkpoint found was a classic. Type conversion flaw, a math result variable sizing mistake in the parsing logic for the reply to a SIG as in signature. which is part of the of DNA SEC? The extensions for DNS SECURITY FOR DNS. They discovered by Louis By. Like, reverse engineering the I think it was DNS dot EXC-, which is the the the service that does Wendy Ns. They studied the code there. The reverse engineered code. And they found a mishandling of values between the sixteen bit fields, which are used by the DNS protocol and the sixty four bit register math used by the codes compiler. All coders know that if a sixty four bit value is calculated to allocate memory or even thirty two, that is lar- larger than sixteen bit so sixty, six, sixty, four bit or thirty two bit calculated to allocate memory. And if the result is larger than six, five, five, three five. which is the maximum absolute quantity that can be represented with sixteen bits? Then the least sixteen bits of the larger value. will be as small imager. Basically, it's the. Of the overflow over six, five, five, three five. And if that smaller integer sixteen bit value. was then used to allocate memory four buffer The resulting buffer will be much too small to hold the larger calculated amount of data. And of course. That's exactly what happened. They discovered. That by just hit the space bar, so I lost my place in my notes discovered a blank page. They discovered yes. non-sequitur. That by sending a DNS response containing a larger than two fifty six K SIG card. They could cause a controlled heap based buffer overflow of roughly sixty four K. meaning. They had a lot. Of Excess buffer to work with. This is not a few bites. They have to be clever about. For hackers, that's the golden keys to the server kingdom. They concluded there right up by noting they they said this high severity vulnerability was acknowledged by Microsoft, and was assigned CV e twenty, twenty, thirteen fifty, and as I said I, didn't look I didn't go to look at the date of it, but it had been a while ago. They said we believe this is checkpoint. WHO FOUND THE PROBLEM? We believe that the likelihood of this vulnerability being exploited is high. As we internally found all of the primitives required to exploit this bug. Due to time constraints, we did not continue to pursue the exploitation of the bug which would include chaining together all of the exploitation primitives, but we do believe that a determined attacker would or will will They wrote be able to exploit it. Successful Exploitation of this vulnerability would have a severe impact as you can often find unpacked windows, domain environments, especially domain controllers. In addition, some Internet service providers may even have set up their public DNS servers as win DNS. We strongly recommend users to patch their affected windows DNS servers in order to prevent the exploitation of this vulnerability. As a temporary around until the patch is applied, we suggest setting the maximum length of a DNS message over TCP, because messages over Ud. DNS OVER UDP is restricted to a single the size of a single DP. Packet, so it can't do. A sixty four K which they said should eliminate the vulnerability. You can do so by executing the following commands, and basically I have it in the show notes for anyone who's interested. It's a it's just a a a registry command to add an HP local machine system. Current control set services DNS parameters key. It turns out. You could add parameter TCP. Receive Packet. Packet, size and you can. You can set that to F F zero zero in Heck's, which is what two fifty six bits shy of of of sixty four K. so sorry to fifty six bytes shore, shy of sixty four K., and so that ends up having priority over DNS, and it would prevent the overflow, and also it's rare that you're going to have any valid dns. Up to that sixty four. K. limit so it wouldn't break anything so anyway. this is all only now becoming public. Aside from the fact that it was apparently been known for quite a while, because checkpoint disclosed this responsibly, they whispered into Microsoft's ear apparently some time ago and Microsoft's July Patch Tuesday last Tuesday fixed this bad boy so. As long as you're updated and patched from last week, you're okay, not you should do that, and if for some reason you can't. Then these two commands, the second one reads net stop DNS followed by net start Dns so you need to change the. This registry key or change its setting if it's already there and then restart the DNS service, if for some reason you can't. Update with last Tuesday's patches. And speaking. Of last Tuesday's patches. This month. We received updated code from Microsoft to remove. One hundred and twenty three security flaws from thirteen products. Happily none of the security bugs fixed this month had been discovered being exploited in the real world. Though a bunch have been shown to. Remote Code Execution. And Leo when you scroll through the whole list, oh my being the scroll bar shrinks down, and you think what has happened although the most worrisome of all of those, and that's that's actually my cut down lists of just thirty. Thirty remote. Code Execution Palmer. The actual list I I was Chris scanning the. Net posted it, and it was just like Oh my goodness so. It's quite sobering. You know and We've seen the damage that can simply be done by elevation privileged bugs since today's operating systems are hosting so much content from so many various sources, maintaining isolation and control among them is one of any modern systems top jobs. This month I didn't even attempt to count those problems that were fixed, but I. as as we noted I decided to Parse the list for the even worse remote Code Execution Vulnerabilities. That were just eliminated last week. There's dot net framework code, remote, Execution Vulnerability and I'm not. GonNa. Read all these out over because I'll, my mouth will run dry. We got share point server windows font driver windows fought library Microsoft graphics components Microsoft Graphics. Three jet database engines, Microsoft, outlook, performance points services, whatever that is excel office project to in word VB script. Remote Code Execution Visual Studio address. Book has a Remote Code. Execution Vulnerability, remote desktop client who's surprised Lee another link L. N. K., File Remote Code Execution Vulnerability. They fixed that now. What two months running windows? DNS Server well. That's the one we just talked about visual studio and Visual Studio, code, well, it's they probably use the same code so okay. Visual Studio, code es lint extension, Remote Code. Execution Re and then six hyper V.. Remote Fx V. Gpu Remote Code Execution Vulnerabilities? This is just a daunting list I. Mean when you step back and think about it of serious vulnerabilities to be fixed every four weeks. We get one of these. And we've been seeing this all year. This is not a brief anomaly. It's the way it is now. And on windows. Weekly I I've been hearing Paul and Mary Jo lamenting the what sure does appear. To be the collapsing state of affairs with windows, so I know I'm not an outlier here. and. Get a load of this bit of explanation from a page in the last week on bleeping computer. Oh the they posted it on Friday. The headline read Microsoft fixed an issue where the disk cleanup maintenance utility could cause boot failures when launching automatically after installing windows ten version twenty, four build nineteen, zero, forty, one dot two one. BLEEPING computer wrote quote to prevent this issue. Microsoft is using an automated troubleshooter. Instead of applying an update blocked to prevent disk cleanup from launching on its own and causing boot issues until the users install the windows version nineteen forty one dot eight four update, which comes with a fix for this bug Microsoft says this troubleshooter automatically runs twice. It runs for the first time on all devices on Windows version nineteen O forty one dot twenty-one, then it runs again after devices are upgraded to Windows version nineteen o forty one dollars eighty four. This troubleshooter cannot be run manually. That AP computer said to see if the trouble shooter has launched on your device. You have to check recommended trouble-shooting history by going to start settings update and security trouble. Shoot View trouble-shooting history. What? Wait to prevent this issue. Microsoft is using an updated absorb an automated trouble shooter instead of applying an update to block to prevent disk cleanup from launching on its own and causing boot issues. What windows has become. Would even Confuse Rube Goldberg. You know and as a developer. I can totally sympathize with the impossible task. Microsoft has undertaken. Decode. Any one of those patched vulnerabilities last week Microsoft Office for example it has a remote Code Execution Vulnerability. Of course it does, and not only one will almost certainly have couple fixed next month and some more. The months after office alone has grown so massive. And so sprawling that it can't help, but to have hundreds of still unknown exploitable bugs. How did this happen? It's really very simple. Microsoft decided quite rationally. That we wanted features more than we wanted security. And I? I can't say they were wrong. Features are visible. Bugs are hidden. Ever purchased a used car with a fresh paint job. That's what windows gets every few years, the same increasingly old and increasingly creaky operating system with a fresh paint job. Windows has become. They used car of operating systems. But it's the one most of us are driving. BEEP BEEP Should read. Neil Stevenson's book in the beginning there was the command line. He has a great automotive. Analogy for the operating systems it's. It's very funny. It's very well written, and yes, windows is the one. That's beeper. Run in the corner. Yeah! I'm glad it does take a break the Horton. CLOUDFLARE! Yeah, that's a fascinating story to. When are we going to get rid BGP? That's my. That's my question. Oh Holy Cow! Another show another BGP flaw our show did they brought to you by red hat open shift. Oh, I love you know red hat! Everybody knows redhead, probably the first First version lyrics I ever installed was red hat. I'm pretty much Sure that is at least the first one. I was able to install successfully. but they're more than Lennox. Yeah they? They made their name with a trusted Lennox district that serve thousands of enterprise customers so well for over eight. Dot Releases? 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During the beginning of of this round of spin right work is that I can't put off switching to you EFI booting for spin right. Oh. That's right. You Efi booting for spin right means. No dos right so right. I will be becoming. You know native booting Nice. In the short term here intra I'm GonNa do that immediately after finishing six one because you know I want to still be able to be used by all right recent machines, so no more freedom, and can I do I do look at the at the day when it's like a I mean. Here Paula Mary, Jo, saying you know how. They're these systems that aren't yet qualified to run windows ten twenty four. Amirah Marriage Oh says that's a good thing. Don't ask for it no hurry. You believe you don't want that. No rush well, also, it's a feature update with features. No one cares about. So yeah, Microsoft could just relax a little and down. I guess in my analogy. That would be touch up paint. Yeah, yeah, no one notices. Those holes crashes Bondo. So. cloudflare had a big embarrassing outage. And it was one single measly little line in a routers configured file. And suddenly riot did lab Patriot on offi medium, digital ocean and countless others including somewhat ironically down detector. became unreachable and dropped off the net. Isn't it ironic? Dan Detector was down. Down the actor went down. Yeah, you know not their fault of. Well. What's their fault? Not Down Detectors CLOUDFLARE's all right right right right right so last Friday evening while twitter was updating the world about its massive hack John Graham coming. Our friend was describing what happened at cloudflare. Link to his more detailed post in the show notes basically I I. I clicked out to pieces. He said today. A configuration error in our backbone network caused an outage for Internet properties and cloudflare services that lasted twenty seven minutes. We saw traffic. By about fifty percent across our network, because the architecture of our backbone because of the architecture of our backbone, this outage didn't affect the entire cloudflare network and was localized to certain geographies. The outage occurred because while working on an unrelated issue with a segment of the backbone from Newark to Chicago. Our Network Engineering team updated the configuration on a router in Atlanta to alleviate congestion. This configuration contained an error that caused all traffic across our backbone to be sent to Atlanta. This quickly leg whoops. This quickly overwhelmed the Atlanta router and caused cloudflare network locations connected to the backbone to fail. The effect locations were San Jose Dallas Seattle Los Angeles. Washington DC. it says Washington Com. Gal Comedy Washington DC Richmond Newark. Atlanta, London, Amsterdam Frankfurt Paris Stockholm Moscow Saint Petersburg Sao Paulo Kurt Kurt Dubois. That A place, yeah! Carita Colonel! An okay and Porto allegre. Other locations continued to operate normally. What other locations are there any other? Yeah using? Graphic this is gorgeous. Says it all that hot spot Atlanta the white spot. Where there are no traffic, those of the Knox that are down right there. Right boom says this was not caused by an attack of course of course speculation went wild. As soon as cloudflare became inaccessible, this was not caused by an attack Oh and bleeping computer was also taken down. Not Caused by attack or a breach of any kind, he said. We're sorry for this outage and have already made a global change to the backbone configuration that will prevent it from being able to occur again. Oh, good, but in a in the posting. He did offer some interesting technical detail about their setup. In. Would find interesting, he said cloudflare operates a backbone. Between many of our data centers around the world, the backbone is a series of private lines between our data centers that we use for faster and more reliable paths between them. These links allow us to carry traffic between different data centers without going over the public internet, so what we used to call a leased line. You know where you're actually buying. Probably I'm sure fiber optic some you know. Some fiber optic carriage owned by. At and T. or someone, just raw transit, and there's no routers. In line. It's just these two points point a point may be are interconnected, and in fact, that's probably a big honeycomb. With direct links to you know all of the various. Major. data centers. So he he, he said we use this for example to reach a website origin server, sitting in New York carrying requests over our private backbone to both San Jose California as far as Frankfurt or Sao Paulo. This additional option. This additional option to avoid the public internet allows a higher quality of service as the private network can be used to avoid Internet congestion points with the backbone. We have far greater control over where and how to route, Internet requests and traffic than the Public Internet provides. And of course. We recently talked about BG routing mistakes. They're easy to make. And when a mistake is made by an organization, the size of cloudflare, they're also hard to miss. and this was exactly that there was some backbone congestion in their Atlanta Georgia. Data Center, so the team decided to remove some of Atlanta's traffic by rerouting it to other data centers on the backbone. Essentially removing some routes that were pointing to Atlanta where where Atlanta's Atlanta's BGP was advertising a bunch of routes. They thought okay. We're going to reduce its advertisements spread so that other routes a other routers on the backbone will pick it up. But there was an unappreciated comparison in routing preference levels which resulted in this unanticipated result instead of removing the Atlanta routes from the backbone. The mistake caused the Atlanta router to start leaking all BGP routes into the backbone. So Atlanta. Remember this. We've talked about this. The vocabulary of BGP is and routing weird, so they said Atlanta was in advertently advertising itself as the proper destination for all of cloudflare's backbone traffic. The other routers at the other data centers that received Atlanta's updated bgp table which essentially amounted to a bold come hither they shrugged and said Okay and Atlanta was immediately buried and collapsed. As John put it quote with the routes sent out. Atlanta's started attracting traffic from across the backbone. So, Yep, they were. Embarrassed and apologetic, and as we said, they already put safeguards in place, so that nothing like that can happen again. Let's hope that twitter. Is going to do the same thing. We probably. Twitter doesn't run BGP anywhere important. No and and and you can just imagine. I mean I'm sure that the team really knows it stuff. This is the kind of thing where just you know. It was a one hundred versus a two hundred on the on the priority list and you know it wasn't until. It happened that so and said What's happening and then they you know had to dig down and find it. The reason took twenty seven minutes was that. It was obvious what the problem was. And so as soon as they found it, it was like Oh, and then they fixed it, and then know that the traffic got himself cleared up. I have to say I'm impressed by the forthrightness. Clouds I mean there. This is the code. This is the yes clear exactly. They're actually showing the line. And I think that's Great I. You know that's always really. Yeah, we love them and we love John Because He. He's Real Geek, and he you know. He understands he gets it. Yeah. You know any outfit. That puts up a wall of lava lamps. Aims a video camera at them as their source of entropy. What's not to love? Their cool. They're really cool. So. zoom had a vanity. You are l. flaw was literally what they call it They recently repaired another glitch, which was discovered by not surprisingly checkpoint. Lately Checkpoint responsibly and privately reported it to zoom, and it was quickly fixed. After it was fixed, the world learned of what had one spin a problem. I phrase it this way. Because I continue to see that the tech press appears to a fallen in love with the term. Zero Day. Now. Everything is a zero day vulnerability even when it's not. This incident was widely being called a zero day vulnerability. It never was. Those researchers we talked about last week. Does those two who disclosed severe vulnerabilities in see data's equipment? They created multiple zero day vulnerabilities by irresponsibly going public with their disclosure, and not giving the manufacturer any opportunity to respond to fix the trouble and push patches, but checkpoint and zoom working behind the scenes to fix a problem before it became publicly known is not a zero day. Vulnerabilities are not zero days when they are fixed before. They are publicly revealed so. I'm hoping that the tech press here's this because you know, it's a, it's a catchy term, but you know if we start labeling everything zero day then that's crying wolf, and when something actually is one then. No one's GONNA notice so I. Hope we get. We and we keep our our terms straight anyway. Turns out the zoom. allows the use of so-called Vanity. Url's and that's what they actually called them. The link I have in the show notes is guidelines for vanity URL requests. You need to register your intention to. Create a sub domain of zoom dot us. so Checkpoint discovered that due to improper account validation. Any meeting ide- could have been launched using any organizations vanity. You are L.. Even if the meeting was set up by a separate individual account, which had no relationship to the organization. It's unclear from checkpoints disclosure whether there was actually any sub domain validation. Though I assume there must have been some I mean I hope so? So what checkpoint wrote to explain? This is they said upon setting up a meeting an attacker could change the invitation link. You are L. to include any registered sub domain. Which is you know? Why didn't sound like there was much validation for instance they said if the original invitation link was https slash slash zoom, dot us right regular, and then like forward slash j forward slash, and then the serial number for the session. They write. The attacker could change it to https. Slash slash organizations name. You know like IBM or You know anything Mozilla. Dot Zoom Dot us. Slash J slash and then the serial number. So a victim receiving such an invitation would have had no way of knowing. The invitation did not actually come from the actual organization, IBM, Dot Zoom, dot us or Mozilla Dot, so you know just just a fishing spoofing attack, but wow. That shouldn't be allowed to just be done. So as I said, it's unclear whether it was that easy I hope it wasn't. And since it's fixed. It didn't merit any further digging on my part I didn't care to go any further. But I noted the checkpoint added an interesting statistic factoid at the end of their disclosure. Right up, they wrote. It's worth noting that ninety percent nine zero percent of cyber attacks today start with a phishing email. They said to make sure you're doing enough to protect your organization's attack vectors. We suggest that you read the White Paper. Humans are your weakest link unquote to discover the daily risk posed by phishing emails. If anyone's interested, you can probably Google phishing attacks. Put Your Business at risk that's in the URL or I have the you are on the show notes. If you click it, they solicit your name and Organiz ation name email address. But. Maybe it's worth it to you. I mean checkpoint, so it's not like you know. Nobody. And I was curious, also just sort of see where zoom was in the ecosystem world. They're currently at thirty five point eight seven percent of the. Web. Based Tele-. Tele-, whatever they are teleconferencing solution. Thirty five point eighty seven percent go to Webinar twenty two point four and Cisco Webex at Seventeen Point one eight. So you know they're not. They're the biggest now, but they're not bigger than everybody else combined or anything like that, so still Worth. You know they are in the. They're in the spotlight because they're catching. All the headlines and everybody is talking about zooming now apparently has become a thing. Turns out. And one of our sponsors will be glad to hear this. Not all VPN's are created E oh. Boy I saw this one yeah. We learned this week. Some specific details of something we probably always suspected. which is, it really does matter which VPN provider one chooses. There's a site VPN mentor which obtains its revenue from affiliate links to well known and up standing VPN providers. One Obama's occurred sponsor on the twit network. Recently? The user connection and activity logs of Seven. On the surface, apparently different free VPN providers who all boasted about their zero logging services. Were discovered on the Internet that is yes. The connection and activity logs of the of seven VPN providers that don't log were discovered on the Internet in the cloud on an elastic search database instance. VPN mentors research team led by GNOME rotem discovered the database containing a staggering one billion database entries associated with approximately twenty million users so little bit of division, an average of fifty log entries per user. Despite the fact that each of the VPN services advertises. As I said they are no log VPN's. The database contained internet activity logs was with personally identifiable data. And email addresses clear text passwords Ip addresses home, addresses, phone, numbers, device, idees, and other technical details. The good news is they're not mainstream VPN's. They are UFO VPN fast, VPN. Because of course you would sort of slow VPN many takers so fast VPN free VPN. VPN Flash VPN SECURE VPN because why not and rabbit VPN because rabbits are fast. So, while they all have separate names. They all appear to be connected to a common APP developer, who apparently white labeled one product to multiple companies who were not very imaginative about their names, but from the outside, the typical consumer would have absolutely no way of knowing I put. One of the AD screens from super VPN on the show notes, and it says you know it's got home that privacy policy that's where the no logging is, said terms of service, and they say best VPN solution for android unblocked the world freely and easily reclaim your right to privacy. Enjoy the open Internet, and then there's the you can download their APP for the. For Irs from the APP store, get it on Google play I mean it looks absolutely like you'd expect, and there's a big check marks on the on the APP showing. Yes, you're checked. And so for Super VPN. When you go, look at the details. It's the best unlimited VPN proxy for Android. Google play store has four point, six stars and more than a million downloads. One of the other ones I noted was ten million more than ten million downloads. The APP store ranks it at four point nine stars. The developer is now net moby in Hong, Kong. So. You know any unwitting user might be forgiven for thinking. Hey looks great. A fee veep of free VPN service sounds perfect. Of course we know today. A VPN service need not be expensive, but if actual privacy and security is one's goal, I'd rather pay a fair price and have that actually provided. It clearly does matter. which provider one chooses, and if all of your Internet traffic is coming out of a sketchy provider in Hong Kong. That had just happens to be logging all. Your, all of the data they have about you onto an exposed elastic cloud instance on the Internet. That's not the VPN provider that you WANNA use. Just saying. Apple, recently updated IOS, and Mac Os with a handful of useful. SECU security patches. There's not much detail because apple doesn't provide much, but I scan them. And then they looked important useful at least so for me, this happened. Friday I think and I had to go like go into my general settings under my both iphones. By iphone six come to thirteen at came to final twelve point, four point, eight or something by phone, ten or x did go to a thirteen point. Whatever so anyway I mentioned it. In case you have to sort of solicit that update from apple you don't. The way it works is yes, you do, and I did. To get six, but the reason is because they do staged rollouts. Deal get pushed it eventually, and you'll get a notification that there's an update, but they don't do it right away, so yeah once you read that there's an update You can absolutely go to the updates and get it, but they typically won't push it to you for a week or two after that then they'll say there's an update. which actually is kind of the right way to do it because it gives? People want it right away a chance to get it, but it also gives us some time to sit and stew. Yeah. We said. Can I installed this thing yeah? I also noted that fire. Fox send is still not receiving. And this is becoming a curious outage because you wouldn't think that requiring everyone to have an account tied to a verified email address when that was already an option. Nor adding a report, abuse button would be a heavy lift for Mozilla. So it's beginning to feel as though perhaps something more substantial might be going on behind the scenes and If they're able to make fire, Fox send better. By making it even more resistant to abuse in other ways so that it doesn't again immediately fall victim to malware purveyors. I would say it's probably worth waiting for so. I just sort of been checking back and it would like. It's been a while now like Oh. That's sort of interesting that it's still off the grid. I have a nice piece of listener. Feedback from Joe Lyon. Who I saw his tweet about a few days ago. He said I just had. Spin right save my del e seventy four fifty win seven pro laptop. Is that I recently booted the machine. An all my desktop icons squirrel logging etc were gone I did a search online, and it seems to be related to a corrupted profile in windows. There were detailed steps to take to recover my profile and try to get all of the information back before taking all those steps and doing all that work. I thought I'd try spin right I. booted machine with Free Dos and ran spin right on level two at actually that machine has state drive. So that's what you want is just do a level to scan. After about an hour I rebooted into windows and Walla Buddha properly and all my files icons programs were back where they should be. Thank you spin right and Steve. which leads me into a little bit of update on where Spin right is? And, frankly I have so much news. A on the spin right rnd front that I hardly know where to begin for one thing. Our work so far has suggested. And is suggesting to me that there may be far more that can be done with solid state storage than I was expecting. The timing results were seeing from. The benchmarks. Suggest that there's far more going on under the hood. Then we might expect from solid state storage. But then you know when thinking about it. Of course the SSD, engineers would be squeezing every last possible bit literally out of the technology that they're able to just as was done with hard drives, which is what resulted in such a large recovery margin. So I'm beginning to better understand why spin right has had so many reports of success with the recovery of data from solid state storage. I'm beginning to think that will eventually have some sort of solid state storage assessment tool. Unlike anything that's been done before so. That's all I'm going to say at this point, but. You're AG. Fighting Spidey senses are saying Oh. That's interesting interesting. In other news, there's a time-saving approach that spin right will be able to use for any mass storage media, spinning or solid state. When the actual transfer rate from the storage medium exceeds the transfer rate of its link to the system. That won't be an issue with Envy Emmy Storage because they've solved the link problem. You know there's no serial Sata bus there. But. It will, when a fast spinning drive capable of more than for example, three hundred megabytes per second is stuck behind a sata to link that Max's out at three hundred megabytes per second or with a fast SSD that can read faster than Sata threes maximum, which is six hundred megabytes per second. It's possible. To ask a drive to verify that it's able to read from its physical media without actually bothering to transfer the data across the serial Sata Link. We have found that some drives apparently cheat when asked that and immediately say yes, or no problem. So spinner right will be carefully testing drives first by deliberately inducing an error, then checking to see whether the drive tells the truth, and or says no problem. Or, whether the dry t tells the truth, and says whoops or lies, when asked and says no problem. And the reason this is so exciting when it can be done. I mean basically drives her cheating. They're they're in breach of SPEC. Blow off the what's called the read, verify command, but word. We've determined that a bunch of people have them that do. So spin right will verify that it's being that. It's authentic when it can be done. For drives that faithfully honor this read verify command spin right will potentially be able to perform a full media test at a very practical speed one of the people. Testing the RND code has a five hundred gigs Samsung eight fifty. E, v O SSD. The fastest, we're able to read from it. Using the native command queuing which I was talking about before is five hundred twenty eight megabytes per second. So you know when you consider that six hundred is a theoretical maximum with no other overhead, five hundred twenty eight megabytes per second, not bad. But the Samsung's SSD's properly. Honor the read verify, and they do real work when asked to. So spin right will be able to scan any of those drives, and we've benchmark that now at more than eight hundred megabytes per second. We measured for this particular. Hardware eight hundred and six megabytes per second, which means that the entire five hundred gig drive can have its media scanned in less than ten point. Five minutes was actually ten point three four. We calculated so. That's very. Very cool. I mean that means even that multi terabyte drives will be under an hour to do. A full media scan with all of spin rights. You know a ability to really get down. At the media so. We're making great progress. Recurrent currently tracking down an obscure but reproducible behaviour that only appears to affect some HP decks desktops with their BIOS in with a particular setting, but it does happen to be the default so. Soon as the podcast is finished this this afternoon. That will be returning to that. We've got a terrific group of very patient testers, and we're having a great time nailing down the operation of this code which will be incorporated into the next version of spin right so. All all making great progress in. A good time be fun for you to cop against these roadblocks, and then figuring out, and then the next one and salt stolen work your way through it, which is really cool Yup. Yup. We've had some neat comments from people who are just like I like people watching this process in the newsgroup. Just amazed at like you know a man that's that's all been my approach. Is You know we're going to make this work for every single possible instance? And then when it launches it it works, yeah. It's a different kind of coating. Because although I imagine all windows going somewhat like this, you, you have so such a heterogeneous environment you're working and you can't just come up with an abstract answer and be done. You have to test against. Combinations of hardware software BIOS is. It is true although you know Squirrel. Also the client has been out now for quite a while. No bugs yeah. So it can't be done can be done. All right final segment on the. The counterfeiting issue. In depth a second, but first a word from our sponsor was Sabi hot cloud storage perfect solution for managed service providers for instance because you can sell. For less and still make more what let me talk about Sabi. Comes from my friend, David Friend and his co Creator. They They are geniuses of hard drives much like Steve and they discovered some years ago. And patented technology, the rights to hard drives Sector-by-sector let me see how they. 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Was Sabi Dot Com. Okay thank you. Steve on weeks. Okay. So first of all Leo you're slow. Shortly after the surprise publication. which was our topic last week here? Kim's and Alexander Torres findings of those seven severe and apparently deliberate egregious vulnerabilities, including hard coded username and password back doors for the devices telnet server see data. The manufacturer whose name was on those devices posted a statement on their website. And I have to say I. I was very impressed with their response. The titled Statement on Pierre. Kim revealing security vulnerabilities in see data, oil t products. They said see data noticed that Pierre Kim released security vulnerabilities in see data oil, t on the get hub website see data immediately started investigation and analysis. We will give report as soon as possible. See data adheres to protecting the ultimate interests of users with best efforts and provide customer with safety products here we express our appreciation for Peer Kim's concern on C., data products. And considering the truth, this is probably the most gracious statement I've ever seen. Okay, so then at the bottom of that. There's a link to the technical statement on. The on this, so they said statement on Pierre Kim revealing security vulnerabilities in see data oil. T products that this. We have noticed an article named multiple vulnerabilities found in see data, oil tease published in get hub sea data admires the work of to professionals in technological circles Pierre, Kim and Alexander Tories and thanks for their identifying security breach problems through detailed testing as well as for their active work in reducing the risks of users using network products. See data adheres to the philosophy of serving customers and always puts customers interests in the first place as well as pays special attention to the product safety problems in this way see data can provide customers with products with safety guarantee. In the meantime we have paid attention to some press releases published by the media and have interpreted technical articles by Pierre Kim and Alexander Torres, in order not to let the majority of customers misunderstand the safety design of our equipment see data analyzes, and clarifies the mentioned technical issues with a sincere and frank manner. First topic excluding counterfeit products. The log in account mentioned in this article, and then they sight one of those four that we talked about panger one two three for the user name Suma one-two-three for the password. We have investigated the account and Password. In addition we have confirmed that the account and password are not from the C. Data, oil, T. products, but are those used by other companies and people when they copy the see data oil, t hardware, my God. Yeah the these are counterfeits, yes. Wow. The seal, the Cli, style, command, language, interpreter, and most its commands of the counterfeited own lt, or all copied from the C. Data, O. L. T.. C. Data Lt Equipment is now widely used around the world and counterfeiters copy see data. Oh, Lt for illegal prophets. According to the following screen shot, we can completely compare and analyze that the account of Panger one-two-three one-two-three comes from an illegally copied l.. And then they show both. and I do have that second screen shot later in the show notes because it shows. telnet being used to log in with Panger one-two-three passwords Suma one two three, and then it says well that it's misspelled, but it tried to say entry. Super user successfully logged in to the the counterfeit system. So. Unfortunately these security guys. Did know about that. Counterfeiting problem that C. Data is all too aware of and so unfortunately, incorrectly accused see data of this behavior, so they were. They were testing counterfeit devices. Yeah not the real deal while. Yes, that's an interesting conundrum for security researchers. It really is Yep. So that second point introduction to several factory settings accounts. The follow it. They said the following to Telnet, logging accounts and passwords mentioned in this article are actually that is by. Pierre and Alexander are actually used. On the C data's First Generation O. L. T. O. LT starting with fd one one x, and then they sight debugged slash debugged one to four route slash route one to six. This account and password are mainly used by see data to assist customers in debugging problems and writing production parameters for example price, said Peron's oil, t MAC address information and cereal address serial number information. Get this. These accounts. They said this account, but they met. These accounts must be successfully logged into the console port by the local serial. PLUGGED INTO THE O. Lt. Then, can entering the O. L., T. BCM shell mode to modify and view key information of the Oh lt using this account under. Oh, Lt, telnet mode, we can only enter the Cli of the device. We cannot enter O. L.. T. B. C. M. Shell to modify any information of Oh l., T.. In other words, those telnet username and password combinations, which the security researchers found in the firmware can only be used when connecting to the devices hardwired local physical serial port, and even then. Allow for viewing of the devices fixed information such as its network, MAC addresses and its serial number. You cannot get the command shell, and see anything or make any changes using those so again. This is standard. you know. default log in, and that can be changed. They said if attacks want to enter the BCM M. Shell mode of O., l. t to obtain device, privacy, information, or implant militias programs into Oh lt they must log into. By directly connecting serial port line to. The computer locally. In this way by no means. Remote attackers used these two accounts to attack. Therefore, there is no such situation as back door access with telnet. And then they have a screen shot here. Show and I have it in the show notes showing their authentic. oil lt device running the current firmware. An attempt was made after logging in with route, and then route, one, two, three, two, two, two, they tried to go into the shell, and the response was only the console. Support is the response meaning. You can't get there. From any network attached to the to to the device, only by plugging a serial connection into the port, and that's also standard I mean as I I'm a Cisco user. I've got Cisco Equipment and you. There are many things you need to do. You got to click in to their little RJ forty five connector with Funky Blue Cisco cable in order to get it to an to an RS two thirty two. Then plug it into a serial port so. These guys have done everything right and they also talk about the third account. Guests slash with no password which you know, it was like really. That on that they say the account and Password are the account of factory default configuration, which can only check some basic information of oh well. And without having the authority to configure any OH L. T, the user can delete or modify the account as needed when using it. And finally they said more secure cryptographic mechanism. For other models because remember that the other crew critique was http and no use of Crypto for other models of see data, OLTP's named fd fifteen x x sixty next x, twelve x and eight thousand, the problem of back door access with telnet does not exist because these oil tease adopt a more secure cryptographic mechanism. The devices configured with several account. Account General Accounts Factory default including Route Admin, Adleman Admin and guest guest, which can be used by customers to initially configure oil, t customers need to create delete and modify the log in account and password of the device according to their own security policies when using the device, we do not recommend using the factory default, username and Password in the operation network. The device retains a debugging account for assisting customers in debugging and solving problems and this account can be used. Can also be used by customer to the forgotten. Password when they forget the log in Password of T. However, the account no longer uses the general password, and the Password is calculated and generated according to the unique identification information of the customers. Oh, not only when the customer provides the information of unique identification. Code in conjunction with a special password generation tool. Can the password be generated the password of each? Is Different which will better ensure the safety of the device. And see data's quite polite. Under the circumstances, correction of the record continues like that for some time. So as a result of the fact that Pierre Kim and Alexander Tories misinterpreted what they saw. And were using a counterfeit device at some point and thus. And because they misinterpreted it, they chose not to I confront see data with their findings, and therein there Rob Him yes there `vulnerability report was full of glaring inaccuracies. The good news. Is that there missed disclosure didn't actually put all of those C- C- data customers networks at risk because they never were at risk. See data understood that any default. Credentials need to be constrained to the devices local serial configuration port, and that's the way the authentic device works. But purchasers of counterfeit see data. Equipment were not so fortunate. The screen shot below which one I referred to before. In my show notes two picks a successful log in to the counter net, the counterfeit see data device over the network not locally, but using the Pandur one two three Suma. one-two-three username password credentials to which the counterfeit devised declares. Super S. U. P. P.. E. R. You're you. E., R. successfully. Presumably attempting to say super user meaning full, you know God mode access to this thing. Full remote admin access. Granted, using the secret credentials buried in the firmware of the counterfeit high end. See date equipment. So. You know. Where does one purchase? Counterfeit equipment, certainly not from C. Data, nor from any reputable reseller. That's found on Ebay for a bargain I. Don't know. So it brings us to a really interesting issue that we haven't touched on in nearly the fifteen years of this podcast, which is counterfeit networking equipment which? Turns out to be a real problem, and a real thing. F secure labs just published a beautiful piece of their recent research. It was it was dated July twenty twenty titled The FAKE CISCO HUNTING FOR BACK DOORS IN COUNTERFEIT CISCO DEVICES. I have a link to the. The CISCO PDF and to F- secures announcement of it, and and the the the PDF this fake Cisco. PDF is so cool that I wanted to make it easy for anyone to take a look at who was curious so I used this. This podcast episodes number as the as the GRC DOT SC shortcut so GRC dot sc slash seven seven six will redirect you to this very cool pdf. Of of Cisco's complete analysis of. Of Two different counterfeit. Cisco Routers. and to kind of give us a sense for. The reality of the world of counterfeiting, they said. In their introduction, producing counterfeit products is an always has been a great business. If you don't mind being on the wrong side of the law. There's no need to invest in all that costly, and you know well they. Say I shouldn't editorialize. They're reading just where they wrote. There's need not to invest in a in a costly rd process and no need to select the best performing and looking materials. The only criterion is the cost of manufacturer. This is why we see many imitations of expensive products on the market, and are likely to continue to see them being made and sold at a fraction of the originals price you know and as I mentioned at the top of the show like Rolex watches are famous I mean that's just like a cliche counterfeit now and women's handbags and I guess you know shoes, and all kinds of stuff are are counterfeited, and and I've heard that there are. There are like DVD retailers in Hong Kong where I mean any movie. You could ever imagine wanting for you know. Pennies on the dollar and it looks like an absolute. You can't tell by looking at it, but it's not the real deal so anyway. Continuing F. Secure, said network hardware designed manufactured and sold under the CISCO BRAND is a perfect example of this having an excellent reputation because of their great engineering, these products sell at a premium price point naturally, this encourages some to try and produce counterfeits as it's a way of making easy money. Stories of such exploits bound in the media, a gang report up reportedly exporting ten million dollars. US worth of gear to the US. The FBI seizing shipments, a fake hardware and court rulings being issued to stop the manufacturers. What A CISCO! To combat fraud actually lot. Cisco has a dedicated brand protection organization, whose purpose is to defend against counterfeit and gray market activities, they partner with customs, teams and regional governments all over the world with success. In April of Twenty nineteen, they seized six hundred and twenty, six, thousand, eight hundred eighty dollars worth of counterfeit. Cisco products in one day, however, despite successful operations, Cisco has not been able to stop fraud fully. If there's an opportunity to make a fast buck, they'll always be someone willing to take the risk. In Fall of twenty nineteen. An IT company found. Some network switches failing after software upgrade. The company would find out later that they had inadvertently procured suspected counterfeit Cisco Equipment. Counterfeit devices quite often work smoothly for a long time, which makes it hard to detect them. In this particular case, the hardware failure initiated a wider investigation to which the F. secure hardware security team was called and asked to analyze the suspected counterfeit, Cisco Catalyst Twenty nine six. Twenty nine sixty x x series switches. This initiated a research project with the following goals. Verified no extra functionality such as back door access was introduced. Understand how and why? Counterfeit devices bypass the platforms authentication security controls. Naturally it's not easy to tell genuine and counterfeit devices apart to verify whether any kind of back door functionality existed was also not easy as it required a considerable amount of technical investigative work. Ultimately we concluded with a reasonable level of confidence that no back doors habit introduced. Furthermore, we identified the full exploit chain that allowed one of the forged products to function a previously undocumented vulnerability in a security component. Actually it had a race condition, which allowed the devices secure boot restrictions to be bypassed. So the full report is thirty nine pages and I found that utterly fascinating. As I mentioned GRC DOT SC slash seven seven six. This episode number will take you there and Leo on page. Sixteen of the show notes I took from two separate pages of the PDF. I put the. Two images of the repeal and the counterfeit. Cisco. Board at least part of it side by side and I i. mean it's just a copy at you could see some slight changes in some component choices. looks like some smaller components were placed. on this switch interface chips they're. They're larger on the CISCO ON THE LEFT smaller. In the on the copy on the right, but I mean the the the main AH CISCO use a power PC at two as their main driver It's a heat sink is a little bit larger, but again it looks like. On surface now examination now there's no way to know I. Mean No, it looks like the same circuit board practically. Yeah. It's GOT CISCO NOT SURPRISINGLY CISCO'S NAME and number. I guess there is a there is that that's. Graphic process. Yes, the holographic kissing as You. You wouldn't know from the other board that it was supposed to have one right there so three. Yeah, yeah, you would open it up like. There's nothing to see. Always, look for the holographic sticker. That's why they do that. That's apparently hard to connor. Fit I guess. Interesting, maybe I wonder why it would be hard, but you're right I, wonder do. They knew they do. Too so there must be something about it. Yeah Yeah. So as it happens though F secure, closely examined two devices that were both Cisco counterfeits. They were both running authentic. Cisco firmware and software so here. The bad guys goal was not to to introduce a back door. They just wanted to sell knockoff at a at a somewhat reduced priced at a probably a much Amanda. Look looks like it would cost them depending upon their production facility. I don't know what. What quality control CISCO, ADDS maybe they use cheaper fans and a cheaper power supply, but you know a PC board is a pretty much a PC board, and if it works, it works, and has even f secure, said Hey, the all these counterfeits typically work just as well, but it was an update to the firmware that caused them to be caught out because the the the work around for the. The The. firmware authentication that the secure boot technology essentially broke when the when the product was updated. So. They were both running authentic Cisco firmware and software. At purchase. The first counterfeit contained at on circuitry which exploited a race condition in the boot Rom code to bypass it software verification. It did this by intercepting e Prom. Control signals replacing certain bites in the image being loaded to modify the software's behavior on the fly, it appears the processors printed circuit board, and this unit was an exact copy of Cisco's without modification, so they sorta grafted, and it's actually it's on the underside of the PCB, so you don't see it unless you take the whole thing apart and look at a at the bottom side where you would say hey, what's that little turtle black turtle with the wires all over the place? There is a picture of it in in. Of the underside of the Circuit Board and the in their PDF. When the first counterfeit received, what amounted to a post manufacturing? Add on circuitry. The printed circuit or sorry whereas that yeah, they're they're. You're showing it now. Is that is the graph that was made? To like do an e Prom. Intercept on the fly which is. Very clever yeah. Okay so the first counterfeit received what amounted to a post manufacturing added on circuitry. And no change at all to the CISCO. circuit board. which was interesting. I mean they. It is a clone copy of the of the P. C. B., but the printed circuit board design at the second counterfeit was changed to incorporate that hack made to the first counterfeit, which replaced the e prob completely with an unknown integrated circuit. This signified to f secure that a considerable resource investment had been made in design, manufacture and testing of a of a forged product like this compared to the lower cost ad hoc approach used by the first counterfeit, the board layout and silkscreen labeling similarities also suggested that the people behind the second fort. Your forgery may have either had access to Cisco's proprietary. Proprietary Engineering Documentation such as printed circuit board design files in order to be able to modify them, or they invested quite heavily in a very complex process of replicating the original board designed files in order to modify them in order to modify the actual circuit board wiring in order to create this and you know it's sort of brings up a point to. Cisco. Probably, manufacturers this stuff in the Far East I would imagine it may well be made in the same. Factory. Yeah? I GUESS They! They turned the production back on him. and run off a few more copies so. In the case of the see data counterfeit. A seriously dangerous, remotely accessible back door was definitely installed into the counterfeit devices in the case of the extremely elaborate Cisco counterfeits all the genuity was it's expended in creating virtually indistinguishable clone of the original and then engineering around Cisco's detection that it's prized network operating system was running in counterfeit an unauthorized hardware, so an interesting tale of two counterfeits as ing yeah. Wow what a great story and What a great show! Thank you Steve. Security now airs every Tuesday if you WanNa watch the live version of the show little through start times. We'll tricky is the third show the day? Get pushed a little bit sometimes, but usually we're trying to hit one. 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257: Banned, On The Run

Bad Voltage

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257: Banned, On The Run

"Can someone create a beer called. The doc web that is a what kind of do you like to drink. I pay as you like drinks that you have to slice the old men hello and welcome to season two episode fifty seven of bad voltage money jeremy as usual. I have stewart and jonah with me and in a an unbelievable turn of events here we are once again not just gonna do a a story era show that is comprised of nothing but news the we are. We're going to talk about what i believe is going to turn into a pretty lengthy pretty pretty meaty topic here that is going to elicit some opinions from our listeners and certainly from the three of us so yeah. She's probably jump right in so that we don't spend all the time in the intro in another time on topic so yes mr language what ah okay so bit about ground hip <hes> for those you haven't come across news cloudflare of pulled that <music> support for eight chen cloudflare were eight chinese one of the chance. How would i asteroid description. I been accused in the past of prejudicing things by the way i described them. So you say it's a message board full of either people who all the lunatic right-wing all think it's funny to pretend to be the lunatic roadway uh-huh and cloudflare provided them with dido's protection as they do for loss loss loss and other people and cloudflare decided to pull their support to drop that and and this was after just as a tiny bit of context or she'll make sense if you're listening to the show now as we record this but maybe not in two two years this was in response to a couple of mass shootings that happened in the u._s. Yes that's fat so i had fought another provider. <hes> they manage to do they moved to a company called epic and then epics infrastructure provider cuckoo vox hilty poltical epic which again and also down the daily stormer as quite quite quite nice side effect right who are all the big void by through an acquisition. They made a while back but the thing which i'm pumped into this discussion is <hes> chuckled kevin bruce what a now tweeted tweeted the following thing. You said there's a business again. Is this to some random dude or something about impersonal he's he he may turn out to be subscribers which i will pen an apology where he's just regard super freak actually pedaled apology you just to be clear but nonetheless he said there's a big interesting debate here about which layers of the internet should be responsible for banning extreme dream content. Everyone mostly agrees i._s._p.'s comcast. Shouldn't everyone mostly agree. Social networks like facebook should cloudflare is somewhere in the middle and votes myself. Well big interesting debates where all about us or thing. We are all about that. Well we certainly. I think it's interesting you folks my nothing is so the question to the. I want to talk about other really want to go into <unk>. I chance specifically here. It's an implementation data. Though the the question here is who should be responsible oh four batting this sort of extreme content. Where do we draw. The line is currently being drilled in approximately the right place. What do you chaps apps think. Can i say question before we get into it. So the guys tweet you could out for me for a second while you're reading it out. Was he saying the <hes> he said dip. Comcast shouldn't be the people who make decisions about what he wasn't giving out an opinion. What he said was everyone mostly agrees. I._s._p.'s dot com cost shouldn't be doing everyone mostly agree social networks like facebook should right yeah cloudflare or somewhere in the middle of those two things intensive should should and shouldn't in terms of banning these i'm 'cause. I'm not sure everybody necessarily even thinks that social network should be should be should be doing that right. There's a lot there's a lot of questions around for example facebook's behavior. The is just saying that like is this is probably a lot more loose. Even he is just a little bit of context. He is the tech columnist for the new york times. Okay okay who started more famous than just to go so yeah but but that's exactly exactly as you say that there is a big interesting to bite here and there is what are your thoughts going jeremy kickoff. Try to kick this off so this is this is interesting for me for a couple of different reasons one. I personally really liked the idea of a free open distributed internet where no single company no single government has the power to control what is distributed. What's discussed how it works etc right in and part of that. I think in my nine eleven years ago i'm a i really thought the internet would turn into the ultimate equalizer. I genuinely thought that and i think my world view on kind of education and i don't even mean formal education here but the ability to learn and i guess more importantly access to information. Ah is why. I thought it would be the ultimate equalizer right. It's really difficult to keep down an educated in foreign population. He don't need to look further than gutenberg and the printing press pressed to see that's well under circling. I think by most people what i didn't realize then and what is a disappointing. I think realization to me now is has the power to spread information and to share that knowledge into gain access to that knowledge i think is now being over shed overshadowed by the ability to spread disinformation and and to taint knowledge and i didn't anticipate that then and i'm kind of disappointed by kind of i mean supremely ultimately just shattered <unk> by this what this means for us. This kind of goes back to the to the deep fakes conversation. We had a couple of episodes ago. If you can't believe what you're seeing and you can't believe what you're reading and you can't really believe much of anything. How do you get information you trust and to me that's part of why the story is such an interesting debate <hes> to me. It goes even level further than censorship which for some. I don't know that it will. I think it's interesting because you're obviously a hundred percent right. I mean the i think it's undeniable that the this is my personal view that the internet has has brought about a considerable better. Let let me rephrase as brought considerable benefits competitive disadvantages right so i think the w- the access to education and people and <hes> building opportunity i think the internet is facilitated of that but like with everything there's always i was going to be a dockside right. <hes> there are going to be people who are always gonna abuse technology or abuse any kind of <hes> innovation in in in negative ways. The tricky thing in my mind is that people will always want to share information and curiosity will always get the better of people people right and we'd never gonna be able to stop that so there are people out there i would and some people who listen to this will say this that who absolutely categorically believed that there should be zero zero censorship at all on the internet that you should just let every flag fly free and all the rest of it but to me. That's kind of like the second amendment people in the u._s. Basically lee sang that should be there should be absolutely no regulation whatsoever like the hardcore people around firearms and to me. There's always got to be some level of control to keep the general populace healthy right show. The question of course is where do you draw those lines. In historically governments have been put in a position for doing so and it does worry me that private companies are doing this to us why this continues to get turned into a first amendment issue for multiple reasons one the first amendment obviously only applies to the united states so not the internet very much but beyond that even in the united states the first amendment only applies to government government entities and public utilities things of that nature does not in any way shape or form never has applied to two companies and even beyond that even after it was <hes> a little bit more strictly enforced before for those of you not familiar with the first amendment cement texan in the genesis helping came along there used to be what was called a clear and present danger clause and that was the the marker. I believe it was like in the sixties that changed now. It's called the brandenburg test and and what that is even for the government. There's a test that <hes> <hes> the advocate. How it's worded is the advocacy of force or criminal activity does not receive first amendment protections. If one the advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action action and two is likely to incite or produce such action so even the government has a right to suppress speech if it doesn't pass the brandenburg tests so how certainly become a first amendment thing i i just don't understand it yeah and i forget. The comedian talked about this. I forget who was always within specific context but what he was basically saying was <hes> people who are who are requiring absolute freedom in all possible scenarios. There are just you know. I think it was jim. Jefferies was saying that you know. There's always going to be someone who's gonna fuck it up right right. There's always going to be somebody who's going to ruin it for everybody else and that's one of the reasons why you need to have rules in place. It's not to keep the responsible good people in check. It's to keep the the the the check right like if if we could guarantee that everybody on the internet was gonna be publishing constructive respectful material then shaw aw like there shouldn't be any censorship is gonna be the underbelly of the internet of is going to be you know abuses of power in various ways and that makes it a little more complicated to me. It's kind of an asinine argument for people to suggest that there shouldn't be any kind of restriction so i don't know what do you think what do oh. I think is actually quite good question. I'm sorry john short mel. If you're looking for someone to put down say this holiday with people being able to speak afraid that being put in prison by the qing pu came up with it. Mill is going to be somewhere in your fantasy football top level team for that. I'm one of the things he said was. The government restrictions legal restrictions on your speech are why down the list of the things that prevent you from saying a bunch of stuff a lot of prevents people from exciting things that society finds unpalatable or unpleasant awful is social pressure but if you've got what's sites where there isn't that social pressure then what these things tend to do is while another on right. I'm so and that goes into jerusalem about how this isn't a governmental issue at all. We have our us. We'd a very loose this collective sense but we technologists have very carefully built into that so it cannot be controlled or stopped by the government and and so as avert you that we done so but now that we have this thing that copy stopped by the government so laws comprehend this offering. What's what's happened is private. Companies have stepped in place so cloudflare don't technically half to have any control over anything. There's no rule saying they just convenient and we've talked a lot in the past about <hes> private companies essentially acting as public utilities without any of the constraints that public agencies have to apprai- onta and cloudflare is kind of similar to this now in general are not a big fan of company saying well <music>. I'm of course. We've got the rights to put everything we'd like to that. We can do whatever we won't because we're not the government. There were no laws restricting us while at the same time say well. We're really the big to file in with really important and you have attention to us by. I'm over deficits old benefits another deficits approach to it but in this but in this particular take the case and in other cases lay clubs are entirely within the right to do do this and the idea that there's a potentially chilling effect on free speech is i suppose technically the truth but for everyone personally saying that with legitimate real reasons do so though a hundred people waving free free speech banner ben what they wanna talk shows how much they hate jews nokia bound for it so i'm kind of inclined to savvy there are otherwise you can go so i tried this particular example went to epic who then pulled him as well but there plenty of places in the russian house for example which will host everything you want them so yeah they cost a lot of money but presumably the you've got lots of people who share your viewpoint. I'm no big fan of the whole market forces thing either as we've talked about in the past but in this particular case free market is out there who wants to defend this they if they've got a lot of people want to read this sort of appalling bullshit then presumably those people will be happy to pay hey for it and therefore hosting some russian host who charge you a lot of malaya not buying anything you want to say is entirely viable. You could make the argument that this is the current systems actually working out reasonably well in the sense of you don't have fundamental government control over the internet which i think we'd all agree agrees a good thing but mostly because the question is which government question mark so many americans take take but obviously our ecuador is like you know what about so so you could argue that the systems working because the government isn't in control of the internet <hes> as a general rule you could argue there are obviously flaws to this argument humint the <hes> the the the conscience of the cut. The companies who are basically on the internet is generally okay. I mean yes e._s._p._n. Many issues facebook as an example so the undeveloped internet while it will always exist. It's being basically pushed into the shadows goes to a point where by a very small number of people will probably get access to it so for example good example here is the dark web bright like the dark web from what i understand is is a miniscule while ocean because just because this gets on my nerves not particularly the older people do generally people don't how people we'll talk about the dark web some kind of mystical weird thing. The only hackers have access to let's call it is which is access to sort through talk yeah tech but at the end of the day the dark web is what people refer to that as so you know just deal with the facts dude. That's how how people researching the point is that it makes it sound all sorts of slightly. I'm romantic exciting to call it that and but at the theme of the dark web is it's another technical hurdle that many people wouldn't be able to get over absolutely they can get to website. I think that's the one thing that i realized about and look like we said h n specifically or chance. Specifically isn't really what it is but i think the thing about four chan that was more dangerous than i would. Initially suspected is what fortune really he was especially in the beginning was a place to troll yes more than anything right and so some people trolled by saying edgy racists terrible things and and they didn't really do so because they thought that thing they did it because they wanted to get a rise out of people. They thought it was funny. Etcetera the thing that happened that i don't know that most people even the founders of fortune and clearly the founder of chen now regrets founding it but i don't think what they realized is when you get a bunch of people saying a base a bunch of racists things the f._b._i. Comes normalized and what happens then is it attracts people who actually think those things and that's not even the dangerous part with the dangerous part is now as those people will become friends. It's difficult for them to filter on who's actually a neo nazi and who's just trolling and when you are talking with a friend and you're not able to filter that thing out. Those arguments sound more convincing because they're not coming from a troll. They're coming from a person that you're part of their community in there. Ah there's a general profession of their belief in there and suddenly you went from trolling about being racist to being racist. I thought it's kind of like moving moving from the backwoods to the to the town square if you will and it's that normalization that i think is more dangerous than than people i'm to my mind <hes> <hes> it's you've got trolls providing that got about was there then you've got actual leonardo who show up but what to me is most of the people who aren't sure whether they announced he's show up anyway and then essentially get closed and that's how the rusher to adopt the beliefs of the most extreme person in the group because you wanna be in the group group because that's what that's what group think does to me. I'm making these thing having there be technical hurdles to get into it so so sticky auditory onion address for example but also in the dark web have as as the picture. I didn't realize <music> such as hot button issue the hill you wanna die on this. This is the picture for the show. I'm i'll use google for hacker. All of the pages are gay. We'll be son going with dark background loads of green text on the screen and everyone who draws those pictures and things. That's what computers are uses. These words like the dark web anyway moving. This is a carry on carry. This is not the hell. I actually won't die. I was gonna say there are many hills on my believing thoughts what if there are both technical hurdles to get into this then it becomes harder for people who are just dipping a toe in the water of flagrant racism and antisemitism and sexism and shooting people and therefore they join don't get radicalized. Yeah i mean there is is no doubt that that's why i think facebook banning. This sort of thing is good. Idea and cloudflare pulling support for is good because it puts those hurdles dell's in the way so people who really want to seek this stuff out still can which means the they're like <music> safe. Things has not been entirely but you look at the x. k._c. Di carta you know about <hes> your we're showing you the door unless the the fact that you have the rug says that everyone talks to listen to it and if people want to make it more difficult to listen to your thing then kind of okay with that so the thing is where where hitting this gets tricky. He is <hes> if we basically saying that the current system is obviously the government no government single government is controlling the internet <hes> so a lot of these. You know more unsavory. <hes> sites and communities have really kind of pushed out to the side because the major cloud service providers not going to be not going to be willing to host them and whatever else see they go into these like russian sites. Whatever else if we're basically saying that's the way it works. I think for example such as h. annan fortune and most people would broadly agree with that right. That's fine. The system broadly is working. Some people are going to get access to them so be it but the general population is not says can reduce the level of radicalization. What worries me a little bit about this is to your point earlier on act about the social pressure is what's what's kind of pushing people to change. Is that works fine when the social pressure is i think representative intuitive of the right thing right what worries me a little bit and we've seen a lot of the stand up. Comedy world is where some people will get really upset with a particular comedian for a particular bit that he or she is doing and claim that it is racist misogynist penis to whatever else <hes> and then there is a social pressure to either ban that comedian or to get their netflix special taken down or whatever else so. There's a balance in my mind between you know the clearly unsavory elements but then as you push it towards not the examples that are less clear you could potentially start edging into mob mentality that then get pushed people off the internet for actually doing something that is okay put disagreeable by some so oh good example i would have hair would be someone like who's a typical pretty controversial comedian then banning actually most americans knocking talking to know who he is going to reduce claes nasa point that face it everyone who entered it so i mean these are basically comedians who just <hes> i mean better manning's dead now but he traded in pretty racist sexist kind of material israel and <hes> there are a lot of people who naturally pretty upset about him. <hes> i don't know what i think about for example that being a unified social effort to get someone like him taken off the internet because he was an unsavory every character but and you could argue this is where it gets tricky right because you could argue the some people who look at his jokes or look to his jokes could be radicalized because they could think he was being serious. Now he claimed repeatedly throughout his life that he was just joking and to me does a lot of nuance in there are some comedians and i. I would say this about bernie banning when i would see his bits. I don't think he was joking. I think you as being awful but there are other comedians who will make jokes and seth rogan talked about this some comedians in cars getting coffee which is just that just came out where he basically said if you acknowledge the fact that you think that the premises ludicrous then some people in much more okay with you like if you don't acknowledge for example if you make a sexist joke and you clearly acknowledge that you think that this is sexist and it's ridiculous but you make the joke because it's the the the the context what's funny in how you present it. People are more likely to be understanding that if you just come out and say a sexist statement and claim it as a joke doc see what i mean so i guess tricky when you start getting into that territory because there is the risk that basically reasonable people just get bullied off the internet he said i don't how you mitigate against that because it's basically society's perspective right unfortunately <hes> i think the that viewpoint has a bunch of unpleasant downsides which we're currently living through if you're right about is more mentality bullying people off the internet for being sexist then then that's essentially because it ought to be a k to be sexist. I'm not talking about that. That's just be very clear to be very good to be very clear because i'm not saying talking about. I'm not talking about a mob mentality eighty two people who are being clearly sexist. What i'm talking about is a perception that something could be sexy so there are comedians. The re use comedians as an example is that the resembled beauity around around a joke right so if his 'ambiguities around a context and then the society basically decided that that the thing is not good then <hes> this is the thing from early i think for everyone personally really genuinely thinks though ten people who were sheltering under that umbrella rela in order to tell sexist jokes that they know sexist and think of sexist. I'm thinking okay to do so and then go. Oh no because seth rogan said it was joke now. He i genuinely feel definitely on opportunity now the guy did you really derailed that for every person that may legitimately be making jokes about the context right like somebody makes a joke about nine eleven for example right who makes it very clear that i'm not in any way advocating nine eleven but finds amusement within the within some level of context right. I you saying that that that that there are going to be a ton of other people who can use that as an excuse to be just genuinely hateful yeah yeah absolutely i'm saying that one hundred grinner society of this because we live in a pretty grim society bunch robert wasn't like this but that's i think that's actually. I don't think that's i i agree with that. I suppose it yourself. How many people have you seen <hes> claiming claiming the walks that twitter like thing but for racists <hes> facebook book. I had the good news a gap voltage brought to you by mark zuckerberg. I don gap. It's cold right gambit nine g. I it's i basic. I it's like you know the riddick for racists vote whoever it was cold vote yeah vote thank you yes. I'm that for racist. I thought it was just an alternate version of read it well. I don't know how well as i founded when radicati bunch of folks up yeah i'm also ask yourself if you <hes> if you go and find people who're saying it's really important free speech issue the the the these sites get to keep running. How many of them do you you think are really they're looking at it from a constitutional lawyer perspective and wanting to defend the rights of everyone like voltaire and how many of them are annoyed that they can no longer sale this stuff on reddit where people could see. It and i think it's massively skier. Almost everyone say arguing in favor of free speech the 'i with those words say but this is really important free speech issue is saying about stuff well basically. I don't think they should be able to say eh honestly. I don't think he's an it's an honest detached. Defense of the concept of speech and worry about oppression depression is because they don't want to be oppressed anymore because society is the things you say are full shovel. I think i think your your maybe maybe you have a skewed view of society. I think it will i think you're looking at in a much more black and white perspective than it actually is like a good example of this could be a discussion about abortion. Abortion is a topic that divides people certainly in the u._s. An argument could be ate a bunch of you know <hes> anti-abortion people basically say this is an absolute travesty that you have this <hes> this website website on the internet. That's promoting baby killing and then they basically combine as a mob to basically get that kicked off right now i i would argue the a site that is proposing a set of discussion points and discussing the abortion issue and maybe it skews towards a pro pro-abortion. You know stance. I think that should be on the internet but let's be honest. We live in a society right now where <hes> where it is not uncommon when people get frustrated about something that they rise together on social media as a mob and they basically bully people now. There are certain cases where i think it's legitimate when that should happen like anti semitism sexism racism that shit shouldn't happen but but what i'm what i'm saying is that this is becoming a patent that you could argue could be used to kick people off the internet and put undue pressure on people off the internet that really shouldn't be kicked off the internet because the whole point the internet is that we're supposed to exchange different perspectives and different ideas. The point is is that we shouldn't have hubs of child pornography and racism anti semitism and all this nasty shit on that right as far as i could tell what you're describing is a fictional example. I mean if it's the pattern but fundamentally isn't happening. There are some people who are attempting to when he's things like codes of conduct to get people with pro choice sites kicked off the internet. Yes absolutely as far as i could tell either is happening is working king exactly the things we didn't these things but for everyone saying but if we kick nazis of the stuff they more happens in the days of people come on gang cake toughened. My response is that largely isn't happening. Donate your worrying about a fictional and in doing so you make it harder to fix an actual problem that we genuinely have right now. What i'm saying thing is. I'm not making it harder to do. I'm just talking about it right. So say in anything should happen specifically. We're talking about this within the broader context of where is this leading us on. What i'm saying is that this is one. Potentially difficult trend of this right is that we've identified that the norm today is the companies are basically the gatekeepers of the intimate right and what gets the gatekeepers of the internet change piaget storms. That's what whenever you see anything happen with the company changing its policy. It's a p._r. Shits tom. Yes cloudflare didn't get rid of h._m._o. Before the mass shootings it was afterwards what's because he's a fucking shit storm. So what i'm saying is that given the fact that we are in an outrage culture that increasingly forming and i think some of the outrage again and is justified in some of it. It's not justified is that that could potentially be a situation where these companies are under more scrutiny to kick people off when there is when there is a mob forming i am. I'm just saying it's a risk. It's happening today that that's fair. I tweet about this couple. They're not actually had anything to do with <hes> cloudflare will be became themes that but just about companies who complain the it's not further. Why would these people go on twitter sapper hashtag about how we're terrible and that makes us look really bad at least okay so if we were to do that how would complain to you i put publio service and they say oh essentially which we won't read bring our premium rate phone which we don't publish the phone number four and then when and you do get through you get three to seven on the other end has no power to effect any change whoa and isn't allowed to put you in touch with people who can affect change companies have spent the last well my lifetime carefully shielding themselves who criticism when we finally come up with a way of criticizing accompanied that they you have to listen to is surprised against massively overused. It's the only weapon we've got. No it totally as as i'm not about sending an individually mailed to a small company so this to take your analogy. If you want your large bank to stop doing some terrible thing to you and you write them a letter. They'll just send. Did you back a formula to guide boats company policy. Get lost if you whip up a bunch of people on twitter by mail lists and do something about it now. There is the problem that you go issue. Some nice small local company are you stub your toe on the way out of the draw and then attempt to whip up a twitter heightened by the fact they didn't by you and ice cream because and that's bad yes i agree with you people shouldn't do i. I think saying what about this book. I believe we have to protect them in that situation and the only solution. We've got to protect by throwing your by the one weapon. We've got against all the big corporates. I think we're throwing out the baby with the bathwater aw. I don't think anyone suggested that you can throw that you throw that away. I don't think anyone saying that there shouldn't be a means in which a collection of people oh can get together to express that frustration at something. It is a powerful tool. The problem is that sometimes a tool that the first port of call role as opposed to the the second of the third of call. My view is my view. Is this right. If i have an issue with the company. I'm going to reach out to them and i'm going to try to resolve it if they pushed me back to a three times. That's when the tweets gonna come out. That's when the hashtags gonna get full like if they if they don't use if they didn't have an opportunity to to rectify it the problem that we've got is in some situations all situations the the culture is basically saying if you have a frustration about something crate hashtag hashtag go and get a little bit of other people pissed off about it and it and it turns into a i. I think i think is ineffective. I understand what you're saying but i think we've society has spent a large amount of time conditioning people for all the good stuff i it doesn't work and the hashtag it does work. So why would you know for that. I i think that's i don't think society thinks that i don't know about you guys whenever i have an issue with a company nine in times out of ten when i call them up and talked to them about it generally tends to get results being comcast since i've made my internet stop falling over i had exactly that example with comcast comcast and actually had a really good customer service experience with them but they have been falling over. It works fine. They did stop into network. You literally shirley picked the worst possible because i actually called. I know i agree. This is not historically the game okay but but my point is this is the free. I'll give you an example. Give you a few examples right anytime. There's an issue with amazon. Call him up their customer services phenomenal. It gets resolved anytime avenue. She's my bank. I call them up. Generally it gets resolved pretty quickly like for example incorrect charge was made. It gets gets taken off. I call comcast. They didn't just get on the phone pretty quickly and called me back to make sure that we didn't lose the connection but they sent out the following day who came through and rewired that if my network oh my point is my point is is that you're painting a very broad brush the the you know the consume as the soup the oppressed group that you've got this protected protected company class out. That doesn't give a shit about consumers. I think increasingly we're operating in a society where customer service has to get better because people who've got access to yelp and to you know google reviews and things like that and yes twitter outrageous one tool to rectify that issue but my point is. It's got to be the nuclear option option. It can't be the first option otherwise all we do. Is we exist in society. That's just filled with annoyance and frustration anger and that doesn't get anybody anywhere that that now that's interesting though i didn't know the cost so i withdraw that he's asian up my apologies comcast after having spent how are we doing this show and here you complain about how your day's terrible for the whole tub and having to go kick the route towards authorizing actually fix it also weld onto absolutely. That's anthony pretty clear. I'm not i'm not saying for second. Other people aren't going to be having shitty experiences with comcast. I'm just saying that. I don't think it's fair to paint a broad brush. When we like in reality your accusation to us companies you have a minute minute data set debating basically on your own experiences and probably the experiences of other people you've got. I try to look at the look. I tried to have faith in people. Companies are trying to do the right thing yeah. I think i agree with x. Position that in many cases a lot of companies not all especially large ones have optimized over the years the ability to you get lost in the system in a way that often in poor customer service. I think they still want to the people on the phone still want to thing that people responding to your email really want to do the right thing. They often as as as mentioned are empowered to do so that that's that's probably you can get through to someone you say. He's my experience yeah yeah. That's yeah exactly does casey put every owner's resent not more because they take decent people who want to help nope put them onto the end of the phone so all you can shout at these people whose fault it isn't and if we want to show them because he's not their fault but the people do you wanna shout are are not available and i think people say i don't think companies but that long optimizing for making sure the people who make decisions don't have to listen to criticism awesome the now we've come up with a way of having them here some criticism by picking up a weapon. They can't ignore so not only this is terrible. It's like it's not your job if peop- if when people venue up you fix their problems they wouldn't do it now. John i take your point the we are increasingly saying your world in which the tweet is the first thing you do rather than the second right yeah. I mean i think it's i think he's more reasonable. Can you do about that because you've had a whole bunch better customer experiences than lobbying for just noise to you almost hard works but i think i do take you think there'd be less outrageous out of an outrage culture if people stopped doing things that was fucking outrageous but i just think we need to i think we need to an element of this is like society's changing with becoming much more technically literate. Younger people are grown up with technology where all all the people of us didn't but to me like there is it's like anything. Does it escalate instead of tools that use. It's in the same way that anyone who's worked in the company right. If you have a problem with something going and whingeing to your boss is the first of call generally isn't the best approach. It's like try to rectify it. Try to resolve yourself. I mean obviously it depends on the issue right. You been abused at work this very different situation but if you're having a problem them with with a project to something try to rectify itself try to resolve the issue in a way that can be <hes> the the waking get a practical outcome but ultimately sometimes. You have to go nuclear. You have to go to the c._e._o. To the boston say try these different things nothing's happening. I'm not making any progress. We have to get this fixed next fix it right and to me i see the hashtag thing as the nuclear option well so and so drinking this back to the original original point of the discussion. We have original point. I would like to take this time out to say. Don't yell at support people. Please public service announcement. Never i never ever yell at support people. I agree. It's never their fault because like you know it's not your full of incredibly frustrated. You'll try your best to help oh use is i can't help you because i'm not allowed to fem- do nothing about it while maymo some little talk regret ha- just breaking in the dividends wanker anyway so now you gotta get back now. Just go one tiny tiny into that as well as if you are talking to your customer support representatives right. Hey don't just be addicted in but be always say to them. I know this isn't your yet. Okay ooh always say that because you will get better customer service area. It's shibboleth but yes so. I'm taking these back around to the point of what we were talking about who this kind of thing off and p._r. Storms get cloudflare to do work on these. There's other things done but in this case has happened pair up storm did get cloudflare to pull this or at least the perception of p._r. Unt yeah. Maybe we'd like do things for the rotary but realistically as far as <hes> as far as i can think they're only really two things that will influence a company's take action in the you deem appropriate. One of them is the profit motive. So you want to make profitable to do the thing you want or you. Make unprofitable to not do the thing you right all pay. All you make you so it's embarrassing to not the yeah yeah and those are essentially the only two tools we have influencing company behavior with governments. There's a you don't have the profit motive tiv- under you do have the embarrassment mode even potentially you have will vote you out to hold discussion about politics and how it works and so which we i'm going to be a millionaire. I don't i agree with your sussman and i have opinions but let's not get interesting the the next show them perhaps but yeah so looking. I'm going back to killing races original tweet. I think the white people attempting to influence facebook to ballot stream content is by larry loss loss loss. People say this terrible facebook do something about where where the problem comes in is it conflicts the profit motive so i if a company can make a bunch of money but doing something and the a bunch. She's been paris by doing that. Same thing what wins out what's more important. Is it the fact that they make the money during or is and they don't want to be embarrassed and lose mine chevy market share and appreciation and realistically the only way to fix that is to make it more and more and more embarrassing until they go. We don't care how much money back out this weekend to stop doing anyway. Which is what people trying to facebook right. Yeah i mean there's going to be both to that right yeah. Both those things are going to be a consideration. I suspect but maybe you've been toby quiet for the little plus we will have fistfight listening the world's views and taking it all in literally like filing his nails the video straight while we were talking when i have an opinion not something l. interject. Don't you worry but yes oh. I don't think it's going to go yeah. What do we think it's i mean. What do you think's gonna happen. I i i agree. I agree with what you were saying about. The worry about <hes> the outrage pace potentially impacting companies like cloudflare flare getting to the level of granularity such a standard comedians that i was touching. I agree with you. That's probably pretty unlikely and it's while it may be a trend that could potentially head in that direction direction. It's unlikely to get that far so it's probably good that germany when we hearing about these cases in cases such as h._r. Right yeah i would they have been a bunch of issues with pipo refusing to take payments for for companies organizations wherever anything but that very unfair now they can't get paid but one of the the semi useful things by by their all bunch of alternatives as far as i'm aware there on really really any alternatives to cloudflare if what you want out of them is <hes> dido's protection of cashing rushing and you don't wanna pay very much or anything for it. No i mean they have multiple viable competitors really yeah who make their certainly c._d._n. Things bunch of extra work for me. There's there's a bunch of them. They're secure i. There's there's <hes> one that is i'm not thinking about. The second also amazon as a competitor to a google has a competitor to it in g._d._p. Okay i was thinking very small scale but having texas a couple of things we've literally just was the other one like incapsula woah and is very similar also pretty inexpensive also high quality. Oh okay in that case. I'm back from that none of them have the scale of cloud fail will flare which i believe has over ten percent of the internet or some number at this point including many many of the largest sites but that that sounds that's fine if i if they haven't got the scandal that's because many people that it needs many service because many people using him when more people using the blame of service no problem so it sounds like broadly on this bringing it to the original topic at hand it sounds like broadly the three of his are of the view that the current system which might be. I battled the current system off. All the commercial sector making these decisions were generally okay with because currently decisions that making a broadly in line with well. I can't think of an example where i'm not in agreement but broadly very much broadly in line with <hes> with what we think like all three of his clearly don't want eight hundred on the internet <hes> but it sounds like we're broadly and while there is the possibility of of abuse <hes> of of companies making bad decisions. It sounds like we're basically okay with that because even if you have the government making these decisions risk of abuse there as well so going back to x. original question though which government when when we asked the question of private companies we know which private companies because it's clear what which private companies the internet flow through so there's a well defined set of organisms that we can identify whether we agree with their decisions are not at least the scope of the problem is well near stood if government. I don't even know how to define that because the illuminating right there's no world government would decide. There's there's no wake up. She the weld government he's hair buddies a because because there's a black helicopter hovering outside by yeah you see the a and garcia the two as two triangles nieminen we need but yes just leave it all up to build their burger. Whatever the bill the bug summit refusing gap. You didn't get hit with the conspiracy action on the bill. People have problems in the seventies. Hold the trilateral commission that i've never even heard yeah all right well upside. I'd wake up shapal but boy my objections to having a bunch of unelected big companies deciding what happens on the internet all quite theoretical. If you look impractical i i i the facto objection would be these things that are wrong and i have a better solution and largely. I doubt they do and molly overlap with the way. I think it should work. I wish they were quicker to take action on. They solve thing but it does seem to it kind of eventually happening to kind of be very so. I think we're draw. The line is i'm probably and i should be honest. Never really thought about this but i oh i think internet access. Maybe should be more of a utility because it is becoming really a basic need where it as imagine cloudflare or facebook ever becoming utilities because i don't think the service they provide is of that level so i think people fundamentally don't think comcast's to use your example before should block it because that's you are paying to access the internet for whatever that means young where when you access facebook you're going to access facebook as of they're very much different philosophically. I think and that's what i'm go- people's sexiest about the <hes> the net neutrality thing where that was is why is pays who are meant to be just a pipe by the engineer arrives in your house started deciding which bits house but to take the public utility point on our e._s._p. Level actualized season. They're mostly companies but i don't think there's a government on earth which doesn't have as part of its policy. Bring the incident tamalpais country everyone's doing. I think the united states is money of their policies actively discriminate in that regard. I'm many many municipal areas have tried to bring internet as a public good to their own municipality only to be blocked by regulations or rule lobbied for by i think i don't know that i agree with your dots. I'm sure again right. I'm sure the u._s. Government government has a policy that everyone should have existed. They want to make that happen. However if you look at it and go okay. We've tried to happen and you're stupid. Rules blocked us they auditor but he's still a policy e. What you're saying is they. They facto have a policy of not doing that and i would agree with that entirely well the other element and this is a giant discussion that would we. We don't have time for right now but the other element of this of course is then the attitudes. If we're talking about about the internet utility public utility there is then the the attitude towards the role of data in that right so i watched this new documentary net net flicks the uninstalled the great hack which is about the cambridge analytica scandal which i would worth logic hurry had seen it. Is it worth watching. It's really really really good. It's well worth watching super well produced fascinating and i won't give it away but basically they give it. Why there's no surprise to this komo news played a lot of people don't know what happened. Everybody looks at the world through your eyes. It just just question. Is it a documentary or is there a document so he's culpable cut boulder in and big allow or yeah. She's in and then so in a nutshell. Basically it's about this guy who who basically goes to cambridge. Analytica and says has okay so i've. I've heard that you're taking all of my data. I want it back and he basically says access to my data is a human right and that's what what he's essentially lobbying for and the documentary follows him as well as to whistleblowers from cambridge analytica and and carol what what was the name yeah <hes> i think she won a pulitzer shoot for her reporting on this so yeah well. It was very reporter yeah. It's it's really good as well with watching but the the key takeaway that came out of that for me was yeah. He's like wet what we think of data when it comes to be inhuman row and what does that look like be honest with you. Yes this is not necessarily though we want to open two minutes fully end the episode but he's largely ashley what g._d._p. Does you do have the right to access with eighteen. You can't have companies. They have to provide it to you. A bunch of this stuff is already happening just not in the let's just remarkable there. Maybe it's going to happen. California say i've seen <hes> who knows who knows anything's possible. We should probably think about wrapping up because we've been this is another one of those segments. Where are we going to do a whole. Show on this the yeah we could do without even just aside. We've how politics works how the internet works how deitz works agent we can talk series man yeah the build up uh-huh jeremy entrenchment into the <hes> the single world government. I mean yeah but the so much on this we we would love to hear what our community thinks about this. I mean there's so many things we've touched on. I mean obviously this specific instance of of eight china and cloudflare but what do you think about who should be making these decisions sessions about about <hes> who gets access to these positive incidents what about the dark web such franks and the bishop asiana two for them. I am i am entirely home to the audio people feeling uncomfortable and disquieted a whole bunch of decisions about how the theraworx being made a bunch of companies who aren't responsible to you and almost only in california. I'm cool with that the reason on objecting to it too. I don't have a better answer ansah. If you've got a better answer yeah then i'd like to hear it because my veterans before was exactly the same as jeremy's wars we just give the intention reporting then it's all nice and it has not turned out that way so this is attempting to this is this is being attempted to learn from experience and not just but we should keep keep doing that and then it will be nice. Eventually sounded good didn't actually work out this. There's always someone ruins it. For everyone. Uh-huh i love ph hang component that the bad voltage i only hope now is the dark web is the word of the year or something i know i i'm gonna keep using even now. We're going to go down the pub like do you want to dock web ed laura or an i._p. Could someone create a big cold. The dark web is a what kind of bad do you like to drink. You like drinks that you have have to slice the old medicine you will shock top will bring out other one cone dot web. It'll be better it really <hes> all right. Well always a pleasure chops and cut. You knew the side rail.

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"Coming up on online cow sharing. I didn't say car wrong. Cow the coming a. i. knitting revolution and why cloudflare doesn't want the have to cut off customers of this is the daily tech news for monday august fifth twenty nineteen in los angeles on. Tom merritt anthem anthem studio theline. I'm sarah lane. I'm the show's producer chain we were <hes> just talking about heather locklear's garlic restaurants <hes> on good day internet among with along with my solar installation that will be doing you get so much more folks when you subscribe to good day internet as a member at patriotair dot com slash g._t._s. us. Let's start with a few things you should know. Amazon updated assistance smartphone app to now give users the option to remove their recordings from being eligible for analysis from amazon employees and contractors human review of recordings was not previously stated in amazon's privacy policy. The app now includes the language quotes with the setting on your voice recordings may be used to develop new features and manually reviewed to help improve our services. Only an extremely small fraction action of voice recordings are manually reviewed. Thank you for doing exactly what i suggested. These companies should do amazon. Well-done chinese ride hailing giant shushing announced that it spun on off its autonomous driving unit into an independent company. <hes> the unit was created in two thousand sixteen has more than two hundred employees in california and china and has has the approval to test self-driving vehicles in california. The ceo of the new company is zhang bo the c._t._o. Of d._d. He's now the c._e._o. Of the new company fossil announced its gen five smartwatch is the carlisle h._r. and juliana h._r. Both forty four millimeter watches with around one point two eight inch led displays plays. They run where o._s. On qualcomm snapdragon wears thirty one hundred with one gigabyte of ram and eight gigabytes of storage. There's also a speaker for google. Assistant responses and end phone calls both models start at two hundred ninety five dollars and are available now but it's not the only watch announcement today in fact it isn't tom samsung also announced the act of two. It's been six months since samsung launched. The original watch active so okay. We've got another model six months later. The watch active to adds a touch strip to simulate software controls that require an actual rotating embezzle the active to also adds e c g capability although it won't be active at launched but could be activated activated later on it runs samsung's ties no as in works with android and i._o._s. Well it supports offline play of spotify playlists and youtube video playback the active if to come and forty and forty four millimeter sizes with lt versions available as well and it goes on sale september twenty seventh starting at two hundred seventy nine dollars yeah yeah so it it both these stories together illuminate a couple of trends one is that tyson o._s. Doing well as the samsung smart watch in fact. It's generally <hes> a little bit better reviewed than the euro elsewhere addresses criticized for being a little slow to add features so e c g coming to the watch active to is is a good example of that <hes> all all these watches seemed to be hovering around the three hundred dollar price point <hes> and they all talk about their heart rate monitoring and heart monitoring we didn't we didn't talk about all the features that fossil and samsung announced in that that realm but but it seems like fitness and health are the two things that are driving smartwatch adoption option and you're seeing that in both these announcements today yeah i mean listen. You're wearing something on your body. <hes> fitness and health is is going to be a big part of it besides obviously telling time and being able to set timers timers for yourself what's interesting to me is the watch active first gen. <hes> got some criticism for for for for not having for not having that rotating basil <hes> and for being a little lackluster on features the act of to solve some of that but the but the original active has not gone away. Hey this is now just another product in the same marketplace. Yeah i wonder about that because <hes> you know the basil is in the other samsung watches that run ties and the reason is kind of built around that basil so it was a bit awkward trying to do double taps and weird things on the watch active so it's nice that they fixed that by giving you the touch strip even if they didn't build an embezzle i get that the active needs to be more affordable version of the watch so you're not going to get that full motion buzzer like you would in a more expensive watch but <hes> <hes> why keep the original watch active around inventory is they just have a half of legal. Yeah i mean if he i got a million units cleft. <hes> i dunno see see how much you can drop the price and get rid of them. I suppose it's somewhat unusual because the timeframe six months is you know it's pretty quick that samsung has has put together the watch that probably a lot of people who got the watch active in the first place one it you it feels like they wanted to just do a minor upgrade to the watch active and then realized that they could do a major upgrade to the watch active right faster than you might normally think and just decided you know what let's do that. We'll swap it into the supply chain so so maybe maybe the supply chain still kicking out the original regional watch actors which is why you're keeping it around as a less expensive version. You had a couple of skews there all right. Let's talk about cows. I african notes that an app called my farm book from livestock wealth which lets users buy shares in cows from a mobile device has grown from twenty six cows in twenty only fifteen they could buy a share in two more than two thousand cows livestock wealth reports generating three million dollars in profit ninety percent of its investors come from within south <unk> africa so it's very popular their shares cost as little as five hundred seventy six rand which works out to around forty bucks u._s. Groups of investors can buy a whole cow. How so you can get on the app and grew up by a whole cal or if you're an individual and you're like just want to buy one or two shares you can buy shares individually in a pregnant cow or young calf which roger pointed out in the pre show is is kind of like buying futures beef futures livestock plans to expand into produce <music> as well. They've got a vegetable growing system that they wanna make this isn't new chicago board of trade and hog futures and all that sort of stuff as existed listed for a long time and there's there's equivalence all kinds of countries about buying but that's been at the magnitude that the individual investor would not be able to afford this this democratises funding of agriculture investment and it plays into something that that according to i african reuters there's both the idea of owning livestock is kind of has some cachet in in places like africa so okay so if i can don't ask some very obvious questions anyone who might be like owning a share in a cow and the heck. You're owning a share in the beef that the cow is going to produce for you eventually right. It's not about cow's milk. That's how it pays off right right. That'd be amazing if they gave bill dividends about beef. You're right. You're right yeah yeah yeah so so so. I kind of understand that but it's interesting because if you think of it as a okay i own a share in something that's going to produce money will share of certain companies as you share a shares. The shares of share cao cao get sick. Cow could be be have better meets than another cow. There there are a lot of variables here and i wonder if <hes> owning something like this again probably not visiting the farm many miles away sometimes a continent away type of the thing is how much that factors into what kind of a good investment this is yeah. Those are those are all kinds of questions that you want to ask before you jump into my farm book <hes> and started dropping open round on some cows right <hes> because if you're doing an institutional investing your investing in hundreds of thousands of cows at a time so you're more concerned and with the practice of the farm then you are with the individual cow but in in this situation if you're buying a single share in a calf men yeah that can't get sick. You're you're throughout your investment so it is risky. It's it's not it's not without risk like any other investment right. It's interesting world. We live in but yeah if anyone's investing cows let us know please daily take new show up. China's global times reports that while way is testing a smartphone running. It's in house hung meng o._s. Sources tell the global times that the device will sell for two hundred one which is about two hundred eighty six dollars while a previously described that want the hung meng o._s. As meant for internet of things and the first major device to run it would be weiwei's honor. T._v.'s not smartphones during its earnings announcement mm-hmm it last week while we chairman ling wah said that the company prefers to use android on its mobile devices so are they changing their tune yeah. I think you actually said two hundred jaen two thousand if everybody's like that conversion does about thank you three hundred bucks or less u._s. Is the point interesting this. This is almost a kind of detective story right because while way like you said has made all these noises about no this isn't for phones we want to use android and then global times which is a state owned operation suddenly leaks that maybe they'll have that smartphone running <hes> hung mango by the end of the year right when the trade war discussions discussions are are heating up again <hes> it feels like maybe that is a well placed to leak it. Wa wa has not commented on this to reuters which is running the story. I haven't seen while we commenting on it anywhere else so curious if this is a real wild way link or if this is just some politics being played yeah i don't know the people global times but <hes> i i would find it interesting if while way decided to call bluff and put out a phone with the hung mango s because that's risky not if that thing doesn't work up to snuff so well and and and realistically i mean the company could have been testing and internet of things us <hes> you know. It's been talking about the fact that it's building no less for for for what a lot of us didn't know and kinda thought like this thing has legs. Maybe you you know let's test it and some mobile devices so that you know could have changed internally i would. I would characterize it more as they have an o._s. Meant for internet of things and when the trade war disputes started to happen. Somebody said well we could put it on a phone. I guess trying to figure that our why not yeah timings great you thought we couldn't get through the show without a facebook bookstore and you were right facebook confirmed it will re ran instagram and whatsapp to instagram from facebook and what's up from facebook. The move follows l. A. similar reruns for workplace and oculus the new names will appear on google play and in the app store for i._o._s. As well as the bottom of studying pages but will keep the previous shorter names uh-huh uninstalled icons according to a facebook spokesperson. We want to be clear about the products and services that are part of facebook. I got two theories on this. One is most most people are not gonna notice this because you're icon still gonna say instagram. When you go to the app store you're not gonna read instagram from facebook and freak out or anything you're going to see the word instagram if you're trying to install it and you're gonna install it but if they are fighting some kind of antitrust situation and they <hes> one of their defenses is we haven't been in trying to hide that these these are all part of one company. This could be the kind of maneuver you make to be like. We try to be very clear in fact recently. We just added facebook to all these apps so it was clear to people who write my other thought is a little less solid ground which is what what if they want to improve the perception of facebook by attaching the name to instagram and whatsapp which are generously thought of or generally thought out of gas generously to more positively than facebook itself. Well and part of me is like oh come on. Everybody knows that you know instagram instagram's owned by facebook but that's not true in fact. We've talked about on on reason episodes. <hes> many people pulled have no idea what the parent company of some of their favorite apps are whether it'd be facebook branded apps or other companies so there is definitely by facebook doing this there. There's going to be some overall understanding by the public. That didn't really understand who owned what that facebook owns these products. I just don't i just don't see i don't know facebook. Facebook has such an image issue these days and it's not the only company that does but it but it gets thrown under the bus as kind of the poster child for image issues news but but it does and to attach yourself to some of your really really successful brands i just it. It just looks look bad to me. I mean if this were ineffective. Campaign then yes maybe my theory of they're trying to improve themselves by association or maybe a you're worried that this could actually cause damage to the brands of instagram and whatsapp would be valid but they're not putting this upfront center the settings page and they're putting in the app store which makes me go back to my original thought which is this is some kind of legal defense or something they can point out later that they did it because it's not done in a way that's really most people are going to notice. I don't think thing now computer scientists from m._i._t.'s computer science and artificial intelligence laboratory aka sale led by alexander casper released released two new papers describing software to create knitting patterns and designs to be used by a knitting machine inverse knit uses a deep neural errol network trained on knitting patterns to create patterns from photos showed a photo. It creates knitting pattern based on that photo. It's ninety four percent accurate when being shown actual knitting but can only use acrylic yarn and can only make designs with the curly hair and so they want to work on that expanded to other kinds of yard the other one is called cabinet cabinet c._a._d. K. n._i._t. Promising to let people with no previous experience customized templates to create knitting patterns casper asper imagines knitting as a service where consumers could use cabinet to order customized garments and then somebody who has a bunch of these knitting machines. I have them the garments and send them out it could also make the prototyping and manufacturing process for knitted items more efficient of course existing niggers may want to hack the system to do about crazy new things that they couldn't if they didn't have these new tool so i'll be interested to see what the knitting fans in the audience think about this and what they might use it for you're but a revolution in knitting coming thanks to knitting machines like three d. printers for knitting and some pretty cool sounding software you know i i an i'm not a knitter. I know how to knit but not well enough to make anybody anything. My grandmother was a great mentor. And what would you know she would say okay. I'm gonna make a new sweater letter a new blanket or whatever would be like a birthday present or something and i would get a book and i would look through the knitting book and choose a pattern because there are only so many patterns that you know that that was the way that she knew how to knit what i wanted her to net so it was a finite kind of book of of knitting patterns the fact act pat. I could be like ooh cool. That lovely person on instagram looks great in her sweater. I'm going to go ahead and take a photo of that and be able to replicate it with a knitting in machine is awesome but that also introduces some issues. Yeah i think right now you can't copyright certain certain things in in the design world for clothing <hes> and and so it doesn't have the same problem that that that say patents would right yeah unless somebody but you're certainly not going to have any shortage of people getting up getting their nose bent out of shape out of it if they create an amazing pattern and then suddenly that pattern can be turned into a script <hes> because of cabinet or or because of <hes> inverse knit <hes> there will be that side of this too. There's also the folks like your grandmother. Who would be able to say like. I've always wondered if i could make a design do this but i never had the time to really work it out suddenly ray at this tool that they could be like boom boom boom because i know what i'm doing and make something really cool. I'm i don't know i'm i'm loving the idea that we will change aged knit one purl two to knit one purl script. There's yeah there's you know there's the critic yarn. That's gonna that that fine with me but some people like now. I wouldn't want to verify sobbed grill at garin not me but again in the way the three three d. printing their certain uses for three d. printing michael that would be cool if i had to you know three d. printed part for my broken washing machine or that sort of thing that always always spoke to me a little bit more than the artistic nature of it. This is perfect this. Is you know you especially in colder climates. I meant said this is this is clothing. That could be that could be made in mass. Hey folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each about five minutes. Don't forget you can subscribe to daily. Tech headlines ends dot com. Let's get back into it with some context on cloudflare and eight chan cloudflare <unk> decided yesterday after originally thinking they wouldn't do this to stop providing its services to the message board a chan as of midnight midnight sunday night monday morning that left a chen open to denial of service attacks if you don't know what cloudflare is it's a service that does a lot of things but among its its main <hes> claim to fame is prevent sites from going down due to denial of service attacks so <hes> they withdrew that n._h._l. Went down have have you. Don't know what eight ten is eight. Jan was created in twenty thirteen by frederick brennan as an alternative to four chan with less moderation in twenty fifteen brennan gave up ownership. H on is now owned didn't run by. Jim watkins a former u._s. Army veteran cloudflare previously terminated support for the daily stormer and 2017 gene which also moved to a different cloudflare like service which is what a chanted as well we'll get into why a chan is being banned by cloudflare and a second if you don't already know but the daily stormer and h n to to you know summit up are problematic because of some content posted there now h._m._o. Chen moved a bit mitigate bid mitigate promises it will not stop service to any of its clients unless by final court order however infrastructure as a service provider vox silly which rented the machines that bit mitigate used to provide its service shut off its service to bit mitigate after after bit mitigate brought eight chan back online so h and went back down as did the daily stormer and a few other sites that mitigate eight bit mitigate provided services to now. Let's get into the rationalization of why cloudflare would remove the service in the first place clever c._e._o. Matthew prints initially said cloudflare would remain neutral <hes> sticking to only removing protections from sites as it is required to do so by law prince <hes> removed moved protection for daily stormer becau- after a lot of thinking about it and posted that he didn't want to do this again. He didn't think the cloudflare should be in the position decide aside what sites get to be on the internet or not and it's not like cloudflare's hosting the sites cloudflare's just protecting them from denial of service but when that protection is removed it it essentially causes controversial in particular to go down until they find another way to protect themselves in this case it was going to be bit mitigate but now bit mitigate lost its ability to hosted service c. O. matthew prints cited postings by shooters in el paso and previously christchurch new zealand and poway california on h. h._s._e._n. As the reasons for doing this again i'm going to read a couple of quotes from his blog. We reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible but we draw the linux platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspired tragic events and our lawless by design so he's calling eight chen lawless by design he says even if h and may did not have violated the letter of the law and refusing to moderate their hate-filled community they have created an environment that rebels in violating its spirit so he thinks a chan is full of hate and he thinks that it is violating the law in spirit he did also say it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online line. It does nothing to address. Why mass shootings occur it does nothing to address why portions of the population feel so disenchanted. They turned to hate in taking in this action. We've solved our own problem but we haven't solved the internet's and this is the interesting thing about prince. Prince doesn't wade into this saying well. We have to do this because it's bad for p._r. If we don't or because we feel it is it is our job to do at prince wades into the saying yeah. We've got a problem album because we're hosting the site and we don't feel comfortable doing that because of what the site is so we're he's very thoughtful in his explanation and says we're going to remove that protection and but i wanna make a point of saying this doesn't solve the problem and i think he's he's. He's much much better way saying what i've been saying about facebook for a long time. Which is you need to understand what the problem is to be able to fix it and a lot of times. I think maybe what i was missing was a lot of the problems we blame on facebook. Don't don't start on facebook they start and other places on the internet <hes> and this is one of those places where they oftentimes started now granted h and was able to move to bit mitigate indicate although it does seem like good mitigate is now not going to be able to provide protection to h._s._e._n. If that stays that way the people who want to post a chen we'll go go somewhere else and and for example a lot of folks who wanted to post <hes> in support of other kinds of terrorism <hes> ah like isis for an example <hes> started posting on telegram where they can't be found as easily and the can't be shut down as easily because telegram says we don't know what the conversations are because they're encrypted so there is always going to be a place on the internet for these folks to go <music>. I'm not saying that that doesn't mean cloudflare isn't right to do this. I'm not saying that that doesn't mean there. Maybe shouldn't be some debate about what should be allowed <hes> on on on moderated sites and what shouldn't but i think it goes to princess point of there's a much more complex and deeper discussion to be to be had around why this is happening at all absolutely and to take the content of of the sites in question out of out of the equation just for a second something like cloudflare saying okay this is this is not something that we're going to be associated with and h okay. We'll go to bit mitigate. They provide a similar service to you and that's what we'll do and and they have the the <hes>. They're going to accept something that you're not accepting but then a company like vox ilady shutting enough at service to mitigate there's a supply chain thing going on here <hes> and then it bit mitigate itself <hes> nikola slim so in bit mitigated to another owner who might have <hes> or owners who who might have their own feelings about this this you know it's a little bit of a kind of a whack a mole situation love okay. Who are we dealing with. Was everybody think <hes> even if you go to a company that supposedly can keep things role in they often require another other company to agree with that company and that isn't always the case especially when you get into very very sensitive situations like the one that we're talking about now. Yeah i think i agree with prince in a bunch of folks are saying in the chat room just because there will always be a place doesn't mean one company has to provide that place. I don't think we want companies like cloudflare or vox civility to have to be in the position to do this. Unfortunately they are because there isn't any law that applies directly and that's true of so many things things on the internet. Our laws are not appropriate to the task because this is all so new relatively speaking compared to the long history of human experience so i think prince says bringing up a big point which is saying hey. It's not about what i do today at cloudflare. Let's not leave it there. Let's come up with a solution that means. It's cloudflare doesn't have to play judge jury. The cloudflare can reasonably go back to saying we just provide a service to anyone who legally can operate great because what's happening now. We're seeing this a couple times particularly with cloudflare but also with companies saying yeah it would be legal but i'm not sure i think it should be legal in fact. That's exactly what prince is saying so. Let's have that conversation rather than again. Two years later have cloudflare have to go through the same thing again. I think you know and and again i don't have all the answers and this is such a sensitive topic in general but right now what you're describing would be cloudflare flare turning a blind eye to content that it we've i should objectionable to the point that it should not be able to provide a blind eye right. Cloudflare should should be the service protection. I'm not expert in deciding what content should or shouldn't exist online. There should be another situation for that. I should they shouldn't have to do that anymore. Than the people who go and string lines for your phone should be like well. You should pull the the line down to the company career jerry. I i get that we're in that position where they have to and therefore as of today you can rightly say well. Maybe you should but couldn't we. We have the conversation that gets us to the point where they don't have to be in that position. That's what i'm saying. We're having a conversation now. But what's the solution. Well it it. It's not i easy and that's that's the problem. I think that's why prince is sound so exasperated in his blog post which is it requires government and and the populace and businesses to come up with something new to decide okay if someone creates a website online. What are the parameters that are allowed before the government can come in and shut it down. The reason isis got pushed into telegram wasn't because cloudflare went in and stop them. It's because of the federal bureau of investigation and several other government agencies around the world when and seized their websites and seize their equipment because they were very clear rules about terrorist operations and what you can do to that there aren't clear rules about this kind of situation well. 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Episode 173  The Exponent IPO

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59:18 min | 11 months ago

Episode 173 The Exponent IPO

"Hi James Ben how are you. I'm good. I mean I've been sitting here waiting to podcasts passenger you say when can we get back on on everyone thinks it's my fault podcasting and it is completely one hundred percent year fault yes that's actually kind of true I mean so we took the usual summer break but I've been working on an IPO for cloud flat which has been an amazing experience and we might get into it but one of the things about working on an IPO. Is there such a thing as a quiet period and I had this horrible vision of me being the story whereby something I said on this podcast resulted in the IPO Jio getting delayed and it's not really the kind of publicity that I wanted so you very graciously agreed to extend the summer a little longer. That's not totally right. It's always nice to take a break. absence makes the heart grow fonder as they say hopefully that's the case for our listeners as well but yeah but you've also been extremely busy actually very interested to hear more about this. I think that IPO's are obviously a strong topic of interest generally speaking but particularly in the last month or so with some of the perhaps less successful all attempts at Ip owing and I don't know I kind of like to get the forty you so just so everyone has context if everyone here knows you are a public officer for cloudflare cloudflare flare successfully. IPO D- earlier this month so that's great you can talk about it a little bit now. You can't give forward looking statements which have righteous assorted disclosure here but what's what's it like oh well. Here's a good question wind. Did the process start. Like how long does this sort of take to do so great question. The process is roughly around six months months and I guess the way that I would frame this I mean obviously the purpose of an IPO is to take the company from being a private company to being a public company trading on the public markets you pick a stock exchange and then people combined sell the shares the way I would actually frame this whole process it reminded minded of something else that I have both done and you've done as well and also I've helped people with which is going through the process of applying for Grad School. Oh there's a surprising amount of similarity. The process of applying for Grad School is basically like finding a narrative which is your explaining to someone why you've done what you've done where you're at right now what the plans for the future and you WanNa create a thread that maps through those various things and whether you're applying for Grad at school or creating `Swan Document which is the IPO document which then fades into all the various bits and pieces like analysts day where you make with the folks who are going to cover your stock or the roadshow with potential investors et Cetera et Cetera that narrative is alongside with the financials and obviously all the work that goes into the company ten years prior just like everything you do before you actually make the Grad school application really important that thread of finding it the whole way through is the really important thing and you start with okay. What's the story and actually as we were going through that process it reminded me a little bit of conversations where you've described how when you watch a keynote the most interesting thing you inside of the process of watching a keynote is actually the context in the framing that deliver a gifts and it's kind of the same thing in terms of going through an IPO process? What is the story that you want to tell? Investors like what's the framing obviously does a bunch of work. That's led up to and a whole bunch of strategy. That's gone into the company. But how are you going to tell this story right now. Obviously it helps a lot when you're working with a company where the founders have been incredibly strategic in terms of thinking about way they're going to give a little bit of flavor of the story of cloudflare again trends that we've talked about here on this cost if you think about the. It we stack there is absolutely critical components as the network stack. There's the application layer and then there's the base this storm compute and what's been really really interesting. Is We've actually talked about it on this podcast how does winners in each of those in the previous paradigm and there are a number of plays in the store and compete in the previous paradigm you think about Dell and h pay and compact and all the various folks that you would go to when you wanted the on premise version version of storage and compute if you go up away it's interesting that used to be a lot fewer plays in the application space so you think about Microsoft. Do you think you bat essay. Pay Article Like these were the critical enterprise application plays but they're only a few and then you go up one more layer into the network layer and then there was a proliferation like with the bottom you'd have Cisco you'd have f five all the folks that way you buy the boxes that you put in racks probably near you store Soren compute on premise to speed things up to keep them secure to make them reliable just to interrupt your narrative because I think it will help your narrative going forward yeah. I think what you made the point because we've talked about in value change the value of a Cruz wherever you sort of constrictive value chain or twelve integration or wherever vermeille be and the implication of what you're saying is that while there's lots these folks at the sort of infrastructure storage compute layer there weren't that many in the application layer and there are a bunch of folks the network layer well. What's the implication that what was the most valuable layer it was the application that's right where you had Microsoft you had? SAP Oracle basically the three sorted the giants of the V one point Oh of Bryant one titles IBM but like the next sort of generation and if you think about the way you just described the value chain it makes sense whereas on the infrastructure side or storage and compute side Dell and HP variable companies not Microsoft on the network side lots of valuable companies few the scale of sort of Microsoft or Oracle Cisco Kinda was but it's mainly because they bought all the other networking companies and so. I just wanted to interject that because I think that might give context the text for where you're going. I think it's exactly right so you think about it. If those things are laid on top of each other like the visual is almost like one pyramid and then an inverted pyramid are made on top like there's a lot of narrowness around the application layer and there's a lot of fatness there are a lot of plays in both the network and the store and compute layer. That's right and there's an inverse relationship between like the thickness of the layer in how valuable the companies are owned that spot so the fact that the application was very narrow. Those companies were insanely valuable whereas when it's wider better still good companies but not quite the same sort of scale and then what changed it. It's something that folks have been listening to this podcast for a while or register decorate for awhile completely lately recognized which is the shift to the cloud it completely up ended the approaches so you think about the base last storage and compute you go from having all these different print provide as the dells and the H. as where you just go online by server and these were pretty much similar it was relatively commoditised to only a handful all of players that are able to support the economics of being able to provide store and compute inside the cloud and these are obvious plays that you'd be familiar with this is aws Jesse Pay Microsoft as your Alibaba Yeah and what's interesting about that by the way just to sorta interject is everyone talks about there being white. We've aside Alibaba which is clearly the fourth player but from the Western companies it's on Aws Azure GDP and people talk about them as three equivalent companies and they're actually not at all all right there's aws which is really really big. There's Azure which is decently big but still like less than half the size and there's GDP which is way smaller and if you visualize this is on a curve it's the exact curve technology again and again and again where you have this sort of exponential return where the winner is absolutely massive the second winner is doing really well the third winners kind of muddling along which might be generous when it comes to GDP and then you have the long tail of the right cost structure in niece folks. You can have a nice business but it's nothing relatives. The sort of the big players is really interesting. You're actually seeing that same curve that you see in Watsa voices play out in this massive world changing billions and billions and billions dollars sector and then what's interesting is how if that's gone from like visually very wide very narrower with just a handful of plays and the affects that you're just describing taking place then what's also interesting is what's happened a layer above in the application layer and really the preeminent example of accompanied. Eh effectively was the blueprint how this transition happened with salesforce dot com wet with the original no software tagline and they basically hosted applications nations for you. You didn't have to run it. You didn't have to maintain it. They provided the underlying infrastructure to make it work and you just walk into a web interface or through an application on your the phone or whatever it might be and no maintenance and you move towards the subscription model I mean this is all the wonderful goodness. If database SAS that we've talked about so so many times on this podcast where you align incentives the software keeps getting better and in the same way that's happened with lots of these folks when it's true disruption it's true who of aws as well they start at the bottom of the market with under Sir folks who can afford to roll their own crm's and then they just move upmarket doc market up market until now the likes of salesforce but there's an absolute proliferation of these types of companies and so you've gone from a handful like Microsoft than sap and Oracle to all these Betabi sast companies that are able to talk to each other that maintaining infrastructure to run the application for you. This is why I brought that context before because there is a direct relationship between the narrowing at the base of the value chain and the dramatic expansion in the middle of the value value chain and this is the conservation attractive prophets in action the integration shifted to another spot which enabled and allowed for an explosion at the other layer and and like you can build valuable companies at that middleware and we're seeing that new speaking of IPO's like people talk about Oh. It's been a rough IPO. You're actually it's been a pretty good. Ipo Year just all this assessable. IPO's are all in this middleware all these SAS companies that are doing very well and it's no accident it happened at the same time the narrowing where before it those are directly connected elected and they're connected on multiple levels technological level just because that base level exists it what's these companies be built but also that flows directly into the ultimate outcomes comes of the various companies at different levels at like how large they could be the revenue potential and the power and willow competitive. They have to deal with so the one thing I will say is I hope that that layer is not the only place where the successful today well you ought so the question is I know what you're driving towards. I think it should be obvious listening so oh you had previously a pyramid on the bottom of the inverted pyramid the top to squeeze in the middle so if that bottom pyramid has flipped such that there is a consolidation consolidation and integration on the bottom and tremendous profits to be had and sort of explosion in the middle level where you can build Watson is companies but you're not going to build you know necessarily something sizes scale buildup. US US what is happening to sort of networking layer is that top triangle also flipping it is absolutely flipping as being concentration and it's interesting how this this is happened. These LAYA has kind of lagged the others and I think that was in pot because just on premise like you move your applications and then the boxes says that you built to get security and performance still kind of worked on premise but they went great. 'cause you at trombone in traffic around by the ad to say it's usually on premises says and people always get mad when we say on premise so just to warn you just to warn you. Oh so I've been dealing with that as well actually made a very strategic decision. This is on premise miss but yes I understand always interesting. I had this debate I doubled down on the I'm going to stay on premise because better than on premises and I finally gave in a couple of years folks. I was so sick of getting the emails about every type. I refuse to be one down. Yes on premise as long as we've established that we know there is an argument about it so you don't need to email us so so sorry continue continue effectively as more and more stuff is moved to the cloud the notion of having on premise network laya makes less seles sense and it's just the case that the timing is right like it starting tip in the same way that it was starting to tip inside the store and compute layer in the application layer we starting to see it tip at the network layer as more and more stuff comes into the cloud the need to secure those applications make those applications performance make them reliable reliable is still there but if you're relying on on premise network you buy a cisco box and ship it to aws. You need something else and effectively in this is the area that cloudflare's operating in all those boxes that you used to buy from Cisco and F. Five and Juniper and everything it makes no sense to buy that hardware hardware in a world of the cloud a cloud based solution will work equally well if you have a hybrid solution if you natively in the cloud etc etc and again in the same way that when you go into a subscription with your SAS enterprise software provider. It's the same thing at the network layer this aligns incentives it takes what was a capitalize has cost and operationalize. I mean the interesting thing for me is like when you think about ways in which you can build a network like this. They're really three ways you can build like a global network. That's across hundreds of cities around the world so you're getting closer and closer to end users so you're able to deliver better and better performance format so one is do something like what net flicks or facebook did which is create an application that's in such demand that it causes you to need to build out a network one approach which is to basically go to the top end of the market which was the approach particularly ACA my took around. CDN early on in its life and it's expanded abandoned a little bit since those early days but the other approaches and this is basically the loss why you can build a network east to basically say the long tail all needs the types of network services and actually there are a bunch of advantages of getting a broad range of traffic you get to see attack patterns you get to build relationships with is biased pays around the world such that that symbiotic like we go into an ice pay around the world they increase their revenue because it's a foster experience points for their customers but it also lowers their costs because like we providing the content out of there and like that gets us access to all these places that otherwise we wouldn't be able to get access two and now they're just limited places left like someone come along and really do what atomised done if you're in the net flicks of the facebook version of it and you building an application. Why would you get into network services? You're focused on the application and we've come along and effectively built a network up by aggregating the long tail and in the same way that aws and salesforce has moved out market as they start at the bottom and in classic disruption fashion moved goofed up market. That's effectively what cloudflare has done to and it's not a big surprise. Matthew Michelle were with me at. HPSM Matthew is actually a student of Clay Christensen so got access to some of this theory very early on again. AWS SALESFORCE DOT COM have perfected this playbook start at the bottom. Get a whole bunch of people who are being undeserved and move up market and that's effectively what we've been doing it. The network layer cover expert not be taken as for looking Esquerre of course. I'll I actually sat down with General Counsel yesterday Hi Doug and basically he's fantastic. I was like done I I might be talking about the IPO tomorrow like what is it that I should say and he was like you know the not a recommendation to buy stuff disclosing that would be good. I was like you wrote this and this one yes everything you said you could read in the US one and I think it's one it's compelling vision. I believe in it. I wrote about it when he came out and actually the more you talk the more I sort of regret not doing like a full weekly article with like charts and graphs on it in part because I think this physics question is like a fascinating one because you get to go back to the visual of the previous paradigm with this triangle on the bottom of this inverted triangle on the top and basically what happened was you had a squeezing of the bottom we had this cloud idea. Come along and jere point. It's nothing that happens instantaneously right. The vast majority of enterprise compute is still done on prem like the amount that's in the quality's like ten percent or maybe it might even be less than that and that's why like Cisco's not going away tomorrow tomorrow that entire market still exists Dallas still exists still exists and so it's a process but but what happens is the existence of aws and again. I've written this before like. Aws is one of the prime top three most important developments in history technology algae and what it created was created the environment for this application explosion and this also came on the same time as mobile and the reason why that mattered is because has mobile dramatically accelerated the usefulness of cloud applications because now if you were working at their desks they were working all over the place and to reach them all over the place via your on premises software and he had to give VPN's and you had to get all this sort of thing all which is services that puffer does by the way they're doing it with the assumption of devices. This is anywhere in the world. They're doing it the assumption that every devices insecure in it's a completely different point of view than all these other processes that assumed everyone was on the Internet Annette and the exceptions were people that were VPN inning from a salesperson from like another state or something and so just completely different approaches and so you have these cloud services that enable table the creation of these new companies and those companies get traction because they serve these mobile use cases that Microsoft and all the comments were not serving and so that gets into market it that much faster and so you get this huge explosion in the middle layer and what happens is that explosion is like builds on itself because if you're a company you start using using wants this application it because you're a second says application. Here's much easier use a third location then you get a service like Octa do single sign on anti them altogether and now it's easier to get a fourth and so your typical company actually has well over a hundred applications that they're using that are all over the place and so it feeds on itself. If you started out where at the bottom you had a squeezing squeezing that led to an expansion the middle layer that middle layer is almost like a nuclear explosion where it starts building on itself gets wider and wider and that creates a vacuum to the top up where it starts sucking in the top where to your point to think that you're Cisco. VPN Box on your Internet is going to serve your needs is laughable right. Well you have to actually have something that scales across all those hundreds of applications and you don't get that by having hundreds of solutions you having one solution because the inverse verse of the complexity is that point of integration and so just like the point of immigration the bottom you end up needing it at the top as well and that's obviously sort of the opportunity that authors pursuing right so what you just described as zero trust model of security enterprise networking whereas once upon a time this notion everything inside your office was secure obviously with the proliferation of devices and SAS applications like people putting stuff into Microsoft word. That notion doesn't work anymore this. This is again where the on Prem model doesn't work particularly well but if you have a network that's global so you have uses that have roaming around the world you have people in offices all around the world rather than back hauling all the traffic back to a single point where you can do data loss prevention whatever you need to do to check that people on doing stuff. They shouldn't be having network. Every way is really really important because you're uses a now everywhere whether that employees or whether they're in customers and from a performance perspective that's absolutely essential and that then becomes a competitive advantage for us as this continues because if you just have it all centralized centralized in one spot the performance required to mobile users all around the world like hauling it all back to one spot and then sending it back over the world makes no sense you you want to push it out to the edge is close to the uses as possible and for that you need a network that's global yeah and what's fascinating about this and we by beginning Asia tour that you can't comment done is the sort of implication here is does it actually make sense to have three layers are there only two layers and by which I mean does infrastructure broadly probably is it really storage and compute on the bottom and network on the top or restores computer networking actually what area I comment to this trajectory that one of my favorite partial cloudflare S. one was you're listening of competitors and obviously you add things like Cisco and someone competitors but there was also. Aws Azure in those is which I think is again. You don't need to comment on it but I think it's inevitable because as you go back to that triangle trial inverted triangle there was never gonna be any sort of competition between sort of the well there was eh between sort of the networking and the Dal and HP's because they all did live in the same data center the markets were large enough in the difference in in applications where large enough that ended up a bit different companies but even then what actually happened to those even before the cloud sorry. I'm kind of honor tangent here but what happened both them is they both got commodities. They both went x eighty six and so what was the real challenge to say your custom Cisco box at what did Google do and what did facebook do they built their own routing equipment using x eighty six and doing it all on software and so you had software defined networking all sorts of stuff that was a big challenge to things like Cisco and Cisco would go. Oh you know our dedicated hardware is better better at it and it was but it was still very disruptive pattern to come up and say they happen. The server happens sooner in the server space where you had all these custom boxes from sun or from all these the things in what happened we said Dell. HP what was Dell's entire plate entire reason why del became a huge player in the server space is because it got commoditised x eighty six and and windows windows was not player in server market windows was actually or Microsoft say people don't realize Microsoft is one of the most disruptive companies in tech history and the reason is because the way they leveraged commodity hardware to basically wipe out huge numbers of people in the back office by right around eighty six and so what happened was you ended up where the routing world in the networking world and the storage and compute world actually started running on the same hardware and was getting very very close together even in the past and so you fast forward to this new world. It's like well. They're probably maybe more in the same space than our initial sort of visualization in the value eighteen indicated a one hundred percent agree. I can still talk about this because this is one of the things that we touched on in. Yes one like it's no mistake that we listed them as competitors and it's really along along two fronts like they're going to attempt to move into a space that's right because they had their own networking products right they do. I would argue that they're not as solid as us. Of course you would but the advantage they have is like it's an integrated play like I think you use cloud front on strategic ary. You're already on. Aws like that's a pretty compelling value proposition. It's just like check a box and you've got a whole bunch of the networking services that Amazon provides I would say two things one. It's not a core competency of as and I would say performances pretty solid in comparison Harrison but to everything Amazon does is designed to lock you in a few speak to more and more folks who was CIO's and CTO's it used to the biggest concern that they had around cloud computing with security that is increasingly switching to vendor lock in and it's the same whether it's aws adjacent pay or Microsoft or whatever they'll make it super easy for you to turn this on but the problem is the more you turn on. That's as the hotter it is for you to switch between the various various clouds and that becomes a big problem a because the different clouds have different advantages bay once they know you locked in they have a lot more pricing power view and so people are looking king to be able to switch between vendors and the advantage of having us is we can effectively act as the single pane of glass in a multi cloud strategy to allow you to shift load between the different clouds without having to set up policies within each of them and trying managed to what's ray or whatever it might be. The great thing of all is the entire structure of enterprise computing can transform but all the talking points stated the exact same the whole like yes but what we provide is we help you always loyd vendor lock in like sound like did you know what was the number. One talking point for Oracle for the first twenty years of their existence is we prevent vendor lock in which was hilarious because they were the kings of interlocken. I'm not saying you're not wrong. Your point is well made that if you have for sort of on top you can shift around the bottom and without out to your end users noticing so I'm not saying it's not wrong. I enjoy the fact that we had this long discourse and how the entire structure present has changed and that you had a point star from the nineteen eighties. which is that say the point is wrong but sorry I myself am amuse? I hope you're amused with me and if not I apologize for making you feel I mean like the nature of these things haven't changed people care about the same stuff now we might be going from on premise into the cloud but like if this is going to be one of the largest items and you budget like this is something people care about so forgive me for for taking the Saudi there yeah yeah no no no no no. I'm not enjoying the moment you are totally doing your job Eh also I find it very funny. Sorry you're continue onto point number two. I guess the point that's more interesting is the store and compute layer. which which is this is the point around collapsing so if there's one place where we're GONNA make which is like aqua territory? There's another place where we're going to meet and that's their core territory now. If you think about about fundamentally the way that class networks being architect it is it's just like you said it's commodity x eighty six hardware all around the world in all these data centers this and every one of those service runs every one of the pieces of software and I stack and there was a bunch of very hot engineering work involved involved to get that to work. I used to work at all but secondly to work in a highly performance way because milliseconds matter here now if we've been able to create create a network which is able to execute these applications for customers the realization came to us well and especially happened as we moved up market because because as we move up market the demands of the enterprise customers became greater and graded they wanted more and more whether it was a firewall or whatever they wanted specific rules rules and one way of doing it would be to create a custom interface. I think the the insight was well. If we're able to program it is there a way in which we can allow customers to program the networks such that they can create what they want the customization they want and they get the performance benefits and normally the way this this happens is you do it through containers which is the way that a lot of aws to runs but like for things like five or cashing or all these network network applications that would be way too slow because the time involved to spin out the container is so great the overhead is so great that it slows everything down and you you need to build out a network and CPU levels that are much greater than what's able to do if you're trying to push everything to the edge like if you have big centralized data centers is that works great but if you're trying to push everything out and decentralized you want everything to be as light weight as possible and actually some of our engineers figured out that the technology inside the web browser known as isolates. It's the V. eight engine inside of Chrome. Actually is the perfect model to allow people in very lightweight way to run code like that's effectively what browse it does. It's the reason why it's very easy to have hundreds of browser tabs open but you can't have hundreds of operating systems running on side your computer so we deployed this and allow customers access to it and they started by tweaking firewalls and so on and so forth what was completely unexpected bill was they started to build web applications with it and that's the product cloudflare work is which is Bena thing that I've been particularly focused on since I started working at cloudflare which is how how to make it friction Louis how to bring this into the market in such a way that people can adopt it and I believe it's truly disruptive in the same way you went from on premise storing compute to cloud storage compute and like this is really known store commute yes effectively right and the advantage of it is twofold one is it's truly edge compute a US. Wherever in the world let's say in Sydney right now tries to run your web application? It gets routed to a data center in Sydney and it spins spins up there and the cold start times negligible because it's the same technology is inside the browser. It's really close to the USA and so it's super fast. Even if we're doing it for a whole bunch of different customers the second big advantages it's truly civilised so if you're a small develop a like picking cloud availability regions and the process of going coming from creating an instance to scaling up an instance if your application gets successful and all the SRA's required to manage that goes away. That's that's experts in terms of creating highly performance globally scalable applications because that's effectively what cloudflare is it's like that across an entire network globally and we've opened it up for developers to use and I think it's disruptive relative to aws because they have built them model around big centralized iced data centers with containers and that worked great in the shift from you own the hardware and you on the software to Oh. I don't own the hardware but I still need to manage the software. This is effectively the next evolution. which is it's extremely distributed? You don't have to manage any of it. You simply write the code and deploys very very quickly within seconds all across the network when it use a Kohl's it it immediately runs the data Senate closer to them so we're not gonNA have an executive onto argue their case so I think we need to cut you off. At this point I will say is a compelling argument and again if you go back to the physics that we talked them up before you end up with a point in the middle and on either side of the chokepoint there's massive commodification in distribution and so the argument for aws is they are a choke point on one side. There's a huge applications in on the other side. There's a huge number of basically processors all commodities right and so you think about it if aws is a point of integration what is happening on either side of that point of integration that demonstrates that the modulation commodification that you would expect is happening and it's always always been a widow unsatisfying database for say that well. It's just that they buy a lot of processors. Yes that's true but it seems almost sort of immaterial particularly since that shift already happened and you're back in sort of the enterprise day and I think what makes the cloudflare argument compelling is the distribution vacation is the shift from large data centers honors two nodes basically instead of Briggs they have X. number of data centers around the world and y number of regions. It's like actually no that's still to who integrated that's still too tied together. If you want to truly drive commodification on the other side of this point of integration you actually have to go further and they haven't gone far enough and cloudflare's point Loyd is actually no. We've driven it to its logical conclusion I would say it spins between the advantages of centralization and decentralization as you go through paradigm and centralization centralisation played a really big advantage in a container based well because you wanted to have a lot of stuff and it would be going to a specific region these would be heavy white and the constraint was getting access to the not the latency but as we move into a world that's much more mobile. That's much more global and particularly when you think about the wave wave of IOT devices that are going to becoming down and if you think about it going mainframes two desktops to laptops to mogul announced its decentralized decentralized. It's less than one spot but the number of devices have proliferated and therefore having a very light white very distributed way of doing shoot shoot is going to be absolutely essential to make the needs of that because not everybody wants compute in these devices but if you can offload it in performance white something really close by again you can take what was a capital cost and operationalize yeah. I think there's like a newtonian aspect to this idea the law of conservation of attractive prophets which is that like every action has an equal and opposite reaction and I think the point that you just made I think very well is as the use case device proliferates and it goes to the edge by necessity the corresponding networking in compute needs to go to the ED so that makes the point before everyone is using a pc on their desk then having networking working that centralized on the internet make sense like it's a match and when you go to mobile will then you need sort of cloud but if you go to the Internet of things for example where it's a a exponential increase in devices than you need a similar exponential increase in capability as far as compute goes there is a relationship up there I mean it's interesting so we started off this conversation along the lines of like talking about IPO's. I think visibly explained cloudflare's right but it's actually funny because the nature of this conversation at least my perspective of the process kind of reflective which is the hot pot is at the front figuring Matt how to tell the story and it's not that all the strategy and the right I can imagine there's some aspect of this conversation. You're like crap. I would like to go back and rewrite that part of the one because we just gotTa data. Just what I was trying to say that we've said a better. I mean I would have loved to have recruited you to the process of helping unfortunately for the record James followed the rules. I was not well. No actually I think it's fair for people to ask like no. This is actually the first time we really talk about this because I couldn't talk about it. In just full disclosure like everything I wrote a clear I came to on my own actually said the same thing I kind of wish I should have gone back and written that cloudflare daily update as quickly article and bloated up a million times because actually talking to you know what there's actually a really compelling structural story about technology to tell here but we follow the rules we did not talk about it right but inside the IPO process versus like that's the critical pot. It's like the hot pot at the Stott is doing the work and figuring out the story like the structural reasons to Bang and how oh you play into it it's like going into that narrative and then from there it's like okay getting that down into a document and then then proliferates into a bunch of different documents you file with the SEC and then you go through this process called testing the waters where the SEC has allowed you to present a limited version of what what was in the S. One and you go out and meet with specific investors and there are very strict rules around not being able to say stuff that's not included in the s wind but to get feedback back and feel like how you doing and then the document flips to going public and then you go through this process of analysts say all the different folks inside the organization patients speak to the story like you had the head of product. Co obviously everybody comes and explains how it all fits together so the people who cover the stock able to understand the stand the business and that becomes important because after that you go out on a road show where you meet with big institutional investors and the crazy thing is the institutional investors call up the analysts. It's like okay we met with this company like we want to understand it. Better and some of the institutional investors will literally call all the analysts to like understand it because you talking about organizations organizations like fidelity that are investing huge quantities of money and then you go through that and hopefully successful and then you get to the allocation process us where you are deciding in increments of two hundred shares how many Hsieh's you allocate and that's its own off foam as well. You WanNA heavily weighted towards long-term come investors who are going to hold the stock and who really believe in you but there are a whole bunch of other factors to consider like you don't want a piece of certain hedge funds because they feel like they've had the bird would flip that can really start to play with your stock price. The other big consideration is on the day of going public. You WanNa make sure there's liquidity in the market right. That's a huge thing people to understand is like you have to have sufficient stock to be traded and that's a huge especially with the lockups where the employees country either stock while some investors can't like there's just not enough stock out there 'cause a lot of problems yeah. You're also trying to allocate to some folks who you know who are going to literally turn around and sell the HSIEH's or that that perhaps the banks might have a relationship with such that depending on market conditions you could convince them to buy or sell to like shore up. Let go of the stock etc etc this is totally we Miss Las Discussion about the IPO process right. You actually need those people that flip the stock for an immediate game because it's kind of messy and ugly and they're totally just getting a hand handout from the Bank but you actually need that stock to get into the market and they will do that job for you right I mean the worst case is a very thin market where there's no liquidity an crazy stuff like small trades can end up wobbly swinging the stock and people pay very close attention to the movements like it's crazy how I mean small small directs went out before us and they start all stay down rodal yeah right down thirty percent and like we're talking about effectively a graduation relation process and this is like the first day of the big leagues where it's like you no longer private company and that company has hopefully for them a long life in front of them but everyone assumes that. IPO is massively unsuccessful because it's down thirty percent at the same time. If you go out and there's too much of a jump you get criticized for like oh you guys left too much money on table or what happens is some of these investors have rules written into their investment guidelines where if they make so much percentage on a investment than they're forced to sell so you can get these wild whip source because you're triggering cell rules inside of some of these big investors so it's this process recessive sticking a landing where you kind of want it to go up a little bit but you don't want it to go up too much and obviously you don't really want it to go down. I think that's right. I mean so just for the record. you guys offered I fifteen share. It is at nineteen fifty nine right now in over four days so about thirty three percent jump. It's very easy. I think for people in the city they say oh look at you. Guys look at all that money on the table but I agree with you. I think there's so many factors on the other side. I think the last thing you said is the most important one you really really really do what go down for all kinds of reasons. It sounds stupid but it sets a narrative problem for a company that I think takes a couple years to get out of where if that stocks down around and what happens if you have a massive bias that the stock must go up and a massive is that it must not go down in evitable you're going to underpriced. It's impossible not to underpriced because you play out the probabilities of the two sides. It's like the self censorship thing right. Why do people self-censor got becomes way more powerful than actual censorship because they're going to over correct in a certain direction rate and that's the exact sort of thing that's there to me? That's the number one factor by far about why these ideals pop in quote unquote money off the table. It's because actually the incentive everyone in the entire thing is aligned around the sock popping now. Obviously you'd rather have to stop double and like crap. It really did leave a lot of money on the table more but given the incentives of everyone involved including the investors including the company itself. It's totally normal that these stocks pop up like they do so I think people people get that a little bit. The point about Nubia acquitted in the market and you need market makers. There isn't always going to be a price paid. You're asking a huge number of people to give you a huge amount of money at one time time and like if you want to go into stock market and you want to buy a massive amount of shares of apple tomorrow and that was probably example because they have more quitted in anyone but if you want to go to the market by fifty percent of apple you're going to overpay because you have to convince the percent of people to sell you right. There are some aspects of the warrior purchase or or the larger a sell order gets gets the more of a premium you have to pay and if you think about a company going public for the first time thereby definition that's going to need the highest premium of any stock offering. They're going to do you because they're introducing this massive thing in the market and they need lots of people to buy at the same time which means there needs to be a premium attached. You'll get us out on one basis. You going to sell it on one hundred ten. Percent Basis are hundred basis whatever it might be again. It's a big problem for stock doubles for state. That's unfair and there's a problem there in Baker should be held more accountable on the flip side the idea that it is a good outcome if a stock goes to market and does not pop and like good they all their money. I think that's mistaken. It's a misunderstanding while the dynamics that are going on here yeah right. It's so ooh interesting. It's so much ought as so many unexpected to Sinton's archaic things I got to go to the floor of the New York Stock Exchange on opening day and that was like a super super cool experience a whole bunch of folks out there but there's a mockup make and they have this screen and the interface. I swear looks like sap designed it back in the nineteen eighties. He's and literally the processes he's trying to explain it and I think I got my head around it but it's so archaic and like they put out different prices and they yell it out and different people by like oh at that price is is how many all by this is how many also and they keep moving the price around until they find what they feel is. Okay I think based on what everyone's saying. We've got an appropriate matching of supply and demand and so this is where we're going to open the stock at and just watching that process play layout over the course of like a couple of hours people on the phone and it wasn't like the wild yelling that you get back in the old days but like they're talking at each end. Sometimes they can't hear because this is what is that that eighteen and or eighteen or we are literally talking about hundreds of millions of dollars and you guys shouting at each other this he's mind-blowing. I think this is an interesting segue to hear more about the process of sent you can but I wrote in day or stay about we were a lot of people are like very upset upset. I wasted like the string of stories last couple of weeks. Where basically the price going down down down? Original prices still going down the south of Lhasa. I'll still going to go down and what people are very upset about. This like I was talking to was like the investigate this investigate what light what's happening is the mark is working right like we were in an environment where the price was set on a one to one basis on the private markets were Razzie Softbank and we worked between the two of them decided what value was well when you actually go public. It's almost like a gay capitalism like argument right is like what happens in a well-functioning market well you have to come to a market clearing price where witter we thousands and thousands or hundreds of thousands of people have to agree on what this is worth and guess what that's way more accurate and way more efficient than to people figuring get out so the SEC should be on the back that we have created an environment where a company can be wildly miss valued in one context but then it goes to an area where it it is exposed to lots of people who could potentially lose their shirts and oh guess what that price gets corrected remarkably quickly. I mean this is literally like a poster child for this capitalism working properly like you let people decide and it could well be in the short run. The market DOC is wrong. It could be that we work has actually onto something and you draw a very generous with your writing this juror very now. I've it's a very generous analogy with aws and maybe that's right. Maybe that is the bull case but it it's I mean here's the thing like we've Yuba. There were bulls there. Were people that believed in it with lift. There were people who believed in like a probabl- price price entails both reward and risk and I think the and what the market has done has introduced the proper pricing opponent of risk into we work which is yes. There is a bulk ace and the point of my right in that article was like no one's making the bulk as so. I'm GonNa make the Bulk Ace. I thought I was clear in the article that there's no no way on earth I would invest in this company but I was perhaps not clear enough. I came back the next day. I probably shouldn't be the next daily update public because my appoint. There's no there's an aws angle here but this is not aws there is some degree of scale ability and that comes from aws that you you're not getting with works. It's not really a software company and so I kind of regret it was it was fun to write right. It's fun to write a contrary view and that was sort of what I was going for but it Kinda got taking a little twitter which is my own fault but is actually i. It frustrates with myself that it's out there in that article always be there again as fortunately there is a very cool. There's no ED investors company but it's actually been very productive for me. I think intellectually where I wrote articles looks like what does a Tech Company and actually I think that's going to be the first of a series of articles. I've been been doing water thinking about actually the water thinking around investing in tech is mistaken. There's some degree where the public markets actually value companies in a much more intelligent way than venture capitalists do which is like surprising when you think about it. I'm not going to give giveaway the thesis but that's something but this is inspired by me thinking about. We were again to be clear. We work is I think the we work. Story is much more of a Softbank sewri Eileen. We have basically an entity that I wrote this in the daily after today like at some point like old you know we're an invest in big big. We want big. We don't what this small little companies and they started confusing. High capital needs with large outcomes and just just because a company needs a lot of capital is not mean. It's inevitably leading to a large outcome. Wave you think about that actually like you through their portfolio page. They have a huge number of companies and things like transportation like just like real estate. It's not just we work. They have their my compass. There like a set like multiple sort of real estate plays and all the they have a lot of Fintech Fintech. All these are what is the common thread. The common thread is not necessarily that they're massively profitable businesses. The common thread is they all have massive capital capital needs and I feel like they've like the variable that they've indexed on his knees a lot of capital and that's translated into will be a huge huge opportunity and that might have been a poor variable to sort of index on it. We work is sort of the classic example of that the joke that's coming to mind as you expand to fill available available space and maybe there's some correlation with investing as well which is like I mean I can see the bull case for Softbank which is them rolling up and getting all all the ride sharing companies to stop competing internationally and getting them to effectively gray was they've done it multiple markets right. It's effectively antitrust but leveled up to an international into national as opposed to a national only level because it's involving a player stepping back out and it's very hard to compel a company to keep operating at the same time like what you you just described is the absolute best case which is like they have a ham and they think they're hammer is lots of capital and so they go off the lots of capital businesses but they forget ah that the other requirement is lots of returns. It's interesting because it reminds me of another conversation we had in the context of what we're talking about in the capital markets which she's the criticism of centralization of power and I remember talking to you about it and you making the point around facebook and having one entity become so incredibly powerful and the problems that can entail. It's almost like the wisdom of the markets here is the equivalent of where you have one investor and they have a lot of money and a lot of centralization parent effectively. If they write the check well that's how much valued but then you see how this plays out further down the line and it turns out that that decentralized decentralized Powell where you have many sets of eyes and you have consensus among a broad number of people actually results in better outcomes the one all knowing all powerful person deciding for us. Oh it's such a great point and as you said sort of jokingly this how capitalism is great and I think reason why capitalism the popular imagination Asian gets criticized the people associate caps with very large companies and we've made this point before very large companies are the antithesis of capitalism capitalism should be about more competition not less and I think the point about softening is particularly well made you I kind of mentioned it when you said it but Softbank Moved Uber Out of Southeast Asia is that no grab is going to be the winner Uber. Do you want to own experts grab or do you want to be crushed like this is your choice in the matter and this is going on at the same time they're trying to buy uber in the US in Auburn needed them to buy in and and like literally it was a central authority dictating how the market would work will now uber actually goes the stock market and guess what's up being lost lost a ton of money on them. There are now underwater Uber why because it turned out just deciding on high who a winner and loser is is less efficient and less accurate than and sort of the wisdom of the crowd as it were like it raises the question like well what about Softbank's investment indeedy or what about their investment in grab like maybe those are actually similarly wildly overvalued because we've looked at the structure and say Oh look we had a monopoly situation here and we lost track of WHO's actually keeping track of the actual worth and the actual sort of value of this and it turns out at some point the market does get to decide and it has been going particularly well for Softbank Particular Yeah just to be clear on this. I'm like an absolute full on ridesharing in the future of transportation that that represents but it sounds like having the markets helped to calibrate exactly how much that's worth at least right. Now is obviously very valuable thing for the reasons. That's another thing I've come back to again and again like there's distinct questions between is something a real company is a real the opportunity and watch the valuation be those are different questions like slack for example slack is other stopping investment interestingly enough had a bit of a rough Govan the markets and Iveco. We've Kyle Pat Myself on the back because I was saying well. You know I think actually marks off is a much bigger threat here and mattress and taking off down that does not mean there's not a huge opportunity here like they've just has gone from. Being thirty x revenue to being fifteen x revenue fifty next revenue is still tremendously valuable company with by definition has massive growth in front of it right like that's a huge aged Baltimore just because it wasn't thirty x does not meet the failure this happens a lot with the IPO's you can be bearish on a valuation and a stock doc while also being bullish overall opportunity is question of how do you price it correctly and I think this has to be a real disconnect and for people intact because in tech in particular you're either bifurcation. Either your these massively large companies where the stock prices so high that it's kind of like immaterial to your day-today life if apple's worth a trillion dollars or nine hundred billion dollars if you think about it one hundred billion dollars is utterly with our buddy but no one cares because it's like the number so big it doesn't actually make any difference in most people's Day to day life life or else. You're on the very small side where going from being a hundred million dollar company to a three hundred million dollar company. That's two hundred million dollars compared to apple's hundred billion dollar change. It's nothing but it's an astronomical in the context of day-to-day wife so people understand those two worlds. There's this Middle World is slack a thirty billion dollar company or fifteen billion in our company. It's like that's a big number but it's like how can you still be super optimistic about a problem space and a company will also say they need to be cut in half. It's kind kind of a weird place to be in a head space. I think actually when my writing I need to do a better job of saying what I'm talking about. Valuation Versus Talk About Opportunity so like we worked like I was talking about opportunity thirty but I was never in a million years I got the valuation does that right and that was by the state was not being queer eye. Oh there actually is something potentially here but the valuation is insane so you have to be precise about what you're talking about. In all these sort of situations sorry. There's a long rambling covering all I think it's super valuable. It's just just like undestanding. The relativity of these things like valuation is a relative thing and it's easy to lose track of that when you get excited about something and just as humid to binary one was zero thing and it's just like Oh Momo so just reflecting on the IPO process and having just gone through it and for the reasons that we discussed in the conversation sation earlier I feel that as went pretty well at the same time so grueling. Even though it was going well I can't imagine what it must be like to to be on the inside and going through this process as they're walking everything back as trying to fix governance on the fly as getting the crap kicked out of them by investors. The crap kicked out of them in the press everyday. I'm not saying it shouldn't be happening. This is the mock walking in the market can be crew in fact the market doesn't care right the market is immoral it is it is absolutely immoral and that's the great thing about it but in terms of going through what's going to happen must be rough. Yeah could be company killing rough. It's a real warning to companies in the private markets. I've long argue that companies go public sooner that it's actually a good thing. It's a good thing for you as a company. It's for your long-term outcome. I know we've had debates about this but I am a believer. I don't buy the whole stock market drives short-termism. I think a lot of companies that do things like stock buybacks and acne short-term manner should be acting as a matter and it should be returning money to shareholders and actually companies with Rwandan visions do tend to get rewarded by the market but whether you agree or disagree that there's some degree of discipline that is necessary and was it really worth it for was really worth it for. We work to get these sound so great we get this mass evaluation and everyone is in their counting their future earnings. Guess guess what those future earnings are worth Jack unless you actually get to market is easiest all we work as an exception. Now you know that we're not like that. I think that you may people like that. Then you think and to the extent that companies go public sooner go public at the right time avoid this private money where the valuation decision decision made by two people instead of being made by lots of people. I think would be a better thing for the vast vast vast majority of companies yeah 'cause it's the fluctuations that kill you right. It's like like this wild swings up and then people come in on expectations and then it's wild swings down yeah but people complain about that the stock market like Oh. It's so hard to construct barter. You can be up twenty percent one day to twitter the next guess what's worse being down like eighty five percent or ninety percent when you buy go public or or maybe we were extreme but like Uber right from ninety he billion or whatever was their highest reach to fifty eight. They are today like that hurts way worse than the day to day today today. Fluctuations can be frustrating and challenging but like it can be crushing like thirty forty fifty percent correction yeah totally and I mean again putting perspective on this as well in the long long-run. I mean it's Eldar in Buffett quote right. I'm pretty sure it was buffet in the short run. It's a voting machine in the long run. It's a Wang machine and like we we've seen examples of companies. These getting crushed by the voting machine facebook comes to mind and like in the long run. They came like it's weighing machine and if you've built a solid business you you can prove the markets wrong. I mean apple's another example where that like during the period you started writing they were they were they would just consistently undervalued the value people didn't understand the nature of the opportunity and they delivered and now one of the most valuable companies in the world so is Benjamin Graham who is who is a someone that was followed by by Warren Buffett. Yes yes okay. Thank you for the correction but the the the I think the idea still stands and that's important to keep in mind as we talk about. IPO is like this is just like I said I think it's just just slack applying for Grad School and maybe get in and maybe it's successful but it's like the hard work then comes after it's like you've then got to go on and complete school and go find find a job and do all those things that really matter. It's like yes. It's nice to have like this fantastic moment and I think it's important and you don't want the wild swings and God knows you don't when it goes through what we works gone through. It's like one step in a much longer journey. That's right that's right completely agree and if they don't they don't put in your grave got admitted to our the business school. They put your what you actually accomplish well. That's right if they put that on your grave then you have ah very good well is good to be back congratulations on a successful. IPO good luck in enduring the lock-up period so you still enjoy the IPO and not actually enjoy the field so that's neither here nor there. I think you said anything that yourself. In trouble I hope not but this process assists is just I mean I like like on a personal note. I came to this company twelve months ago and it's fantastic company and the opportunity to go it was through this and see how it works and helped contribute and and help help folks who've been working at this for ten years is just an absolute Boston peering behind the cutting on how all this stuff all works is just being really fun and I hope folks found it interesting because I didn't really I like I I like I'm getting less likely to tell bank jokes now having worked with some of the folks at Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley they're actually pay actually have value actually do something useful all Oh my God I I really enjoyed working with them to to be honest that they're fantastic so the whole person just being able to go through. It's been fantastic. Can I hope I hope like like this little p. Behind the curtain for everyone listening has been interesting as well. I think it will be I think it will be well we will I. There's a a good chance to back next week. I think we're going forward euro with obesity than you were before I think we'll we'll probably take it. Take it as we go but but that's not God in a quiet period quiet period noisier

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Episode 113  Megatastic

Microsoft Cloud IT Pro Podcast

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Episode 113 Megatastic

"Welcome to episode one hundred and thirteen if the Microsoft, cloud IT pro podcast recorded live on February first twenty nineteen. This is a show about office three sixty five Asher, and the IT pro and end user side of life where we discussed the topic or recent news related to office three sixty five or Azure. And how it relates to you? As an IT pro today, we dive into the latest office three sixty five share point online updates including access to mega menus in hub sites and new options for footers and communication sites. New options for security baselines into and how to use the graph security API with Asher logic, apps flow and power. Oh, happy Friday. Scott. Scotty is it another Friday? We made it again, we made it again and other revolution around the week. Yes. Only fifty more to go this year. Yeah. No, no. I mean, we're getting there. Right. No. It's fifty two weeks. We got forty eight I know six hundred and forty three days until the election star count. Now started I do not want to go through another election. And we're not talking about politics. I am dictating a dictator that we are not talking about politics. I just wanted to put that out there and put that in your head before you give you something to percent rate on for a little while. However, I am building a wall around my house that my neighbors build I'm not talking politics offense offense around my house, built by my neighbors does have steel slats. No, it is good. And can you? We're not gonna do it. Not no politics. Instead, we're gonna talk about eighty. No going down again, we could. Yeah, they should fill the hall around Asher Aideed. So it stays up. Prime rating quickly. And there was a little bit of an outage this week with Azure. AD? Yeah. It was a DNS outage a level three kind of central thing. I believe. Yeah. I did not get affected by it. I just saw the outage reports you must be stuck with Udu what? Comcast at home. Yes. I on Comcast. Yeah. Andy's Comcast NS like mucked with your outer anything of most definitely mucked with my router. I think I'm actually using open DNS right now. I know like MOS Comcast thirty NS is horrible. Right. It just takes them for pick up any change anywhere in the world. But yeah, like opening and ask cloudflare Google DNS things like that they tend to actually respect TTL's and everything else. But yeah. So there was a DNS outage took down, Azure, AD witch. When those end point. Go down. You can't log into the graph. You can't log into office three sixty five. You can't log into Ayrshire or any of your cloud. Connected workloads. Anything that's gonna federated into that directory. So DNS is hard especially when it goes down like that. Right. It's it's it's it's kind of a tough fix, but they failed over to a secondary provider, and we're back up and running. I think that outage was all up from customer customer a little bit over three hours. Yeah. Definitely not as bad as some of the previous ones who've seen although it was funny. They quit calling it as radiologist note was just there's other negation problems. No hide that it was as ready, but everybody knows authentication of three six five something with Shreydi. But yet DNS is kind of a big deal wasn't DNS when that caused what are the other outages to like somebody made a DNS update that broke everything there's been a couple of different things over time. Usually these are selected. Sinces where maybe a a service goes down in a region. But that it's not necessarily the most globally alliance service. So strange things start to happen. This one being a DNS outage did have some. There was some other bad stuff that happened as part of it. I don't know if you kind of followed along with the RCA, but there were some weird things that happen on the platform side. So one of them is customers who consumed Azure, SQL if they were doing T E transparent. Data encryption the way TD works with Azure. SQL is you go out, and you actually configure a key and Kiko for your encryption key. When this outage occurred Keevil wasn't reachable because the vote wasn't reachable by the back end. The back end said, oh, these databases aren't supposed to be encrypted anymore. So I'm going to drop them. Wow. That's I saw a little blurb about that. But. Hadn't looked into all the details. They actually dropped a subset of databases. And then when they dropped the databases, they could only recover within the last five minutes. So there were potentially customers, and there are customers out there that they may have lost some transactions long way to those databases or anything about having Lincoln ordering system or something. That's highly transactional in there will say something that you're encrypting. Like that is usually something that is relatively important information because cryptic because obviously don't want anybody else getting to it seeing it it's going to be minor paid this is my demo database that I don't really care about she. Yes. When it comes to Email outlook and office three sixty five are fantastic. But sometimes there are things you'd like to do that are implemented. Sperry software creates outlook Adams in office three sixty five services that fill in these gaps. For instance, there are outlook at to print emails and attachments, savings males pedia, send out recurring emails or how about awarding when you're going to reply to offset of normal reply. Find these and many more Email productivity solutions. Get started today by visiting WWW dot Sperry, software dot com slash cloud. IT that was a big one one of the other things, which I hope they can find a way around. And that's the nice thing about having our see as on all of these is they kind of give you clear steps for how they got to where they were. And then how they're thinking about approaching it in the future for mitigation. It was not good, right? You weren't able to log into your stuff. That database being deleted thing. Because the encryption key wasn't there who got to find a way to fix that one. The other one was some timing things with alerts, and especially SHA or service health alerts, so there's a back end system that's built in to tell you when things are not healthy. Specifically, the things you have deployed and that system also went down as part of that. And when that went down. Well, now customers aren't being informed. That's one side of it. Right. You signed up for a service to say, tell me what my stuff goes down and the platform broke to the point where he couldn't tell you stuff was going down the other part of that was even internal communications tooling was also affected by that DNS outage, so Microsoft themselves. They had delays that were caused by that in even publishing communications out on health status to things like the status Ashburn. Which the satisfation board being DNS bound as well was beginning to have its own issue. And then because you can log into the portal, you couldn't see your messages in the first place, right? There was no way to get them at get on with API or any thing else. So all that being said, yes, there wasn't outage bad things happened took about three hours all up to mitigate Lee said now, the good thing about RCA is you can go into the next step. And again, see how they're thinking about fixing all this stuff. So for like, Azure, sequel TV they're going to fix it. So it actually distinguishes between key being unreachable verses Kibo having a keeper folk because those are two very different things. So they'll go ahead and get that sorted. They're going to do some things with internal communications as well. So it's one thing to have the customer side, go down. It's another way your internal communication pipeline breaks down. So go ahead and get that fixed up and get that to you. To where it needs to be. And then from a DNS side. This is a nice kick in the pants. They're going to go ahead and work on getting some of that and what they can pulled off that external DNS provider with level three. I think it was level three and CenturyLink for that one that sounds right and get them on boarded into Azure, DNS. Now. I don't know a good thing bad thing, but they will control a little bit more of their future on that one. So at least with like on boarding dasher and DNS, you know, they've got their own service Essel as they've got a hundred percent away with that particular service. So they can kind of hold themselves to it. And that'll be nice to see. Yeah. Definitely. And one thing to on some of those status. I have started following there's Twitter handle out there, a mess FT. So Microsoft three sixty five status in the seem to be doing a better job at tweeting regularly are those outages. So like, you mentioned the status dashboard, they still put. Out there like status office dot com to go. Get more details, but I've been following that one an actually set up alerts on that one. So at least now I get notified right away. When there's an issue. So that's how I originally saw that authentic Asian issue. Was this tweet that they were. There was an issue users being able to access office three sixty five services. So that's kind of Hindi Twitter Hindle to follow as well to get some of those status updates. There is also at Asher status, which has the same type of thing. So if you're looking for more holistic coverage outside of office three sixty five that might be a good one too. Well, but I will make sure that both of those and up in the show notes as your status you have to be confirmed follower. The succumbs tweets are protected. No come on. I'm serious here. We're sharing screens right now. Our listeners can see it like that. But I will prove it to you know, I see it. I just looked into locked out of my account. Well. Well, I follow that one. So I can see it impending following that one now. And then what was that other one that was T F T three sixty five status three sixty five status. Yes. So that one is going to be that was going to be all your office. Three sixty five stuff nut so much, Azure stuff, but office, Microsoft, three sixty five that used to be. So there used to be office three sixty five status that one got merged combined. Now, it's just MSF T three sixty five status. Perfect awesome. Yeah. We'll get both of those up there. I do not know why as your status is protected. That's so maybe it is security. They do not want an authorized people knowing the flaws. They are publicly going to post on Twitter. I don't know. Yeah. We don't want you to be able to see stuff here. Just go to our public website, which has RCA's getting back years. Yes. Anybody that controls the as your status Twitter handle if you're listening? Maybe I'm protected maybe realize it's protected. Anyways, enough talking about outages and bad stuff. Should we talk about fun stuff? New stuff. News newsy stuff newsy stuff. Yeah. We're about to get mega tastic. Yes. With mega menus and all kinds of fun share point site changed the look type options. So this is one that the blog post went live yesterday. We're recording this January thirty first so January thirtieth. They published the blog posts that mega menus site headers site footers, some of that new customers ation stuff new change features. We're going to start rolling out the beginning February. So today, I gave the run date. It's February one today anyways, they're gonna start rolling out in February two targeted release. So I actually looked at my tenant, and I already have some of these new features a missing site footers, but I have. Headers mega menus, some of these you can disable too for all I know I may have pre disabled footers or something alive ago or just hasn't rolled out yet as these are all probably different packages different updates. But now if you go to one of your new modern sites think mega menus are only hub sites. I don't think this is any other site. Does it say in there? I forget it did not say there haven't tried it on any other. So I was kind of watching you do it on your screen since I ran out of licenses and all my mod demos. I gotta go spit up another one. I haven't either. Maybe I should let me go try another site, but I know at least on hub sites change, the look I have themes that headers, I don't have navigation. So this is this is appears to be hub sites. Only which is what I was thinking. It was in few go click the cog wheel now on your cheer point site. So up in the upper right in go to change, the look instead of just being able to change the theme. Like, you could previously you have options to modify advocation to customize the header, customized the footer and customize the theme. So the theme is still your standard options pick some custom colors, but then header under the hetero option. Now, you have the option to do a standard Hutter or a compact header. So for those of you that I know there has been rumblings grumblings that you know, what that had earned office. Three sixty five takes up a lot of screen real estate. You can do account packed one. It minimizes the site logo in the upper left hand corner. It gets rid of a little bit of white space still a decent size header. But it does give you a few pixels back customize, the background colors of the header. So a couple options in there that's changing the site logo as and then navigation you can now pick between mega menu and cascading. So this is in that change. The look area is all. You do in. There is just switch hailing mega menu cascading the mega menu is built the exact same way as before where you just click on the at it on your hub site. And then set up your hierarchy over on the left hand side. So you now have one two three layers of navigation. You have the parent layer, which is what you will actually see across the top. You have the second layer of navigation, which is going to be the headers within your mega menu. And those are just like big bold headers. And then you have the third layer which is going to be the links under the header. So there's not a whole lot. You can do to rearrange it to customize the colors of it yet. I'm hoping this continues to evolve in the panel, you still have access to site designs and all those kinds of things which yeah. Yeah. That's developer stuff. I don't do that. I want like pretty colors I can click, but yes that is three layers Abigail. You can't do a fourth and have like bullet points under a header under your primary header. But it definitely I think I like the look of it better than that typical fly out. And it does give you a nice view of all those links. If you are building out some big hub sites with lots of navigation or even want to include links to other navigation because again, this doesn't have to be share point sites. You could link out to your some HR system or some time keeping system that's outside of office. Three sixty five all within this mega menu in the links in there. So kind of a nice nifty new feature to make some of that navigation, especially if you have a lot of links a little less painful. Yes. And they've added some other things as well. So between mega menus for hub sites. They also made some changes or added some new functionality for things like footers and communication sites and be. Being able to do some customisations there and bring all that like you said into that change change, the look panel or pain or blade or I don't even know what we're calling these things any more. I think the blog post the official word is paying. But you're right. It's like a bladen, Azure. So it's up down left. Right. Be select. Yes, it's the change. The look section. We can just call. It. A section select start mover as a cloudy Gration company. That specializes in moving your company's files from file servers or cloud storage box. Dropbox Google into office three sixty five their pet technology. Makes mover the fastest one drive file may greater in the world. Moving dozens of terabytes of data. A day is a breeze used Lubers free industry-leading migration guides or ask for managed migration. And they'll take the lead with louver all your data is secure an intact running completely behind the scene to don't lose time, money or hair. Well, you transfer scam plan migrate report migrations that don't suck with mover. Visit mover dot I o for more info. One of the interesting things that I noticed about the footer stuff was some of the changes, they're making their only apply in communication sites. So if you do happen to do customisations to the footer they're still not going to appear at the bottom of lists or libraries because whoever browsers to elicit listener library. Why would you want the footer there that doesn't make a weight does make sense? Hopefully, they had that back, right? Like intelligent internet should probably be a little bit intelligent and put your stuff around where it needs to be. And then like you said you do have the ability to turn off those footers. And if you don't have the option for footers there, you can just turn it off with power shell today. Yes. Exactly. Maybe that's my problem. Maybe my hub site doesn't communication sites. That's why I don't have any of the footer stuff in there. I'll have to play with site footers or look at the little more. It looks like the also are giving some new site settings. And there's some updates here around site designs and site scripts as well that. At just give some of those some additional settings decide owners. I will be honest. I need to spend some time in sight designs, and these scripts it's an unmanned list. Learn more about forever. We still podcast episode. Onsite scripts and site design. Yeah, we should find somebody smarter than us to talk about it. Yeah. Exactly. But there's some updates there. So there's actually a big blog posts that includes all of this. It's the organizing your share point sites with mega amid news navigation in a new change the look options so willing to that in the show notes. If you wanna go dive in it has a high level of all the changes, but there's also lots of links in there around lake taking you out to the support articles on how you set up all of this with more details around each of these topics ES, we can we can make that happen. I can put some articles in the show to all right? So what other fun new there were a couple other news ones? Just recently. There's been some updates to MDM which were pretty good. Yeah. So what is going on with them to him? There are some new security baselines that are coming into play. Kind of like we've talked about the past with Azure, AD in some of the security baselines. They're they're just groupings of configuration settings that are kind of Microsoft recommended. Best practice in really big air quotes. Right. Best practice kind of configurations to go ahead and get things stood up and ready to go. And at least start out from maybe a what was a previously tested or what should be a more while known state notice. I've couch that a whole bunch. Who knows right? The other thing was security baselines is if you go ahead, and you say, hey, this is really cool Microsoft's done a bunch legwork for me. I want to adopt a baseline Microsoft actually updates the baselines on the regular. So as they get feedback from maybe actual security teams internally at Microsoft could be product rubes could be partners could be customers. Whatever it happens to be they'll go ahead and update those baselines over time so outside of Azure, AD they've actually added a bunch of baselines to into self. So when you go out to into inside the in tune Puerto, and you hit your Microsoft three sixty five device management. You'll actually see new baselines out there. Like, there's a security baseline for windows. Ten devices where you can go ahead and just boop apply that to specific groups of device. And have them pushed out, so that's just Azure. AD groups rate that all that stuff gets kind of pushed an polled. The other cool thing about baselines is it is a grouping of configuration settings. That's put together for you know, one saying you can't change the configuration setting officially can fork that configuration and make it your own because what's good for somebody else isn't going to be. Maybe the best thing for your organizational on the way. So you can absolutely change or edit the configuration settings that are included in those those baselines as well just looked in security baselines, and there I don't know that I have the us you may or may not they're kind of in the process of rolling out right now. So it's going out in public preview to into tenants. And it's just it's it's doing the the rolling availability thing. So when it hits you it hits you and then you'll have it getting to this. This is one thing that I was looking at is it actually shows up as a new menu item directly under into. So even though this is an MD 'em baseline like the other baselines that went out. I think they were conditional access baselines for forcing MFA those actually showed up as a default baseline policy underneath the policies under conditional access the mobile device management MDM baselines don't show up under like device compliance configuration policies it actually shows up as a brand new item at least the screen shots since. I don't have it yet have it showing up like right next to conditional access device configuration. So instead of policy showing up it gets like told own menu item in that very first level right underneath Microsoft and toon link in your your portal. So don't go digging around throw your policies and configuration policies and all that for it. Just wait for it to show up that menu. Adam directly into the other nice thing about these is when they come out if you do twos to adopt them is your kind of have dashboards per baseline that pop in as well. So you do get nice overviews of saying, okay? I turned on the windows ten baseline. And then you go ahead, and at your device groups and things in there. So you bring all that in then you'll actually have a sense for posture within those baselines as well. So how many machines are in there? How many match or don't match the baseline by have misconceptions or you have ten thousand windows ten devices. You only a group two thousand people. So there's eight thousand that aren't subject to so you do get a nice sense for kind of posture and m positioning of your actual protected devices. Once you bring those all right? Very nice. So one other one this one was interesting that I wanna go play with it is some new code free options to connect with the Microsoft. Graf security, so don't think of this as modifying security or late coming from that share point background of actually updating security or leveraging the graph to change security, but moral list of connectors to do things like get alerts based on alert properties or update various security alerts get subscriptions update, subscriptions, delete. Subscriptions helps. Notifications of different alerts or different security events that may occur. Not so much actually managing security settings. So this is a new connector that you can leverage and flow. You can leverage it in power apps. Logic apps all of those are kind of tied together. When you look at connectors anyways. So this will show up in there to help you leverage that connector in these different apps to be able to get some of those. Hurt some that reporting around security that has surfaced through the Microsoft graph is probably the best way to handle it. And then even do some responses around some of those alerts that occur. Hey of it's this alert. Do this notified these people? If it's this alert, text these other people it's this alert just ignore it because that's a security alert. We don't wanna wear about. So it really lets you build some of that automated around alerting investigations managing some of those different security events that may happen in our surfaced through that graph API. Yeah, you can build these are now we're to orchestration engine that kind of workflow orchestrator of biz talk in the cloud with logic, apps and flow and things like that. So really you're talking about buildings who will become richer playbook around these services, so if you wanna leverage graph security because it's a connector. There's a little bit of a consent flow that needs to go go on. So there's a madman consent for that one. So there is a little bit of wire up to get things turned on. But once you've got it turned on, then you're already to go ahead and consume it, and like you said, you can do all sorts of things like get alerts. You can update existing alerts you can create new web book subscriptions. So you can actually go ahead and filter down to a specific type of alert like I'm only interested in medium and high of alerts, so you can actually create a custom subscription that then alerts you based on that subscription and pushes things through and because it's part of that that ecosystem of connectors within logic apps. Now, you can go ahead and tie into everything else. So you're not even limited to keeping this in the office three sixty five or m three six five even Asher your side of the world. Maybe you have existing IT SM tooling Hughes. Maybe service now. Respond to incidents organization. You know, it doesn't have to just be an Email alert. It could be something actually hooks up to service now with the native connector creates your incident pushes things through for triage and gets you ready to go. So you should be able to build some pretty holistic solutions. If you've got maturity within a bunch of these tools, and this is interesting because it has that power apps option to lake even being able to give so not all of your IT pros security, some of those people may fully know, how to even create some of these web subscriptions or what to do with them. So you could it looks like in theory, just build like a power up interface to even manage those web hook subscriptions. Whether it's updating deleting them, even creating brand new ones to simplify that whole process for those users that may be interested in these building some of these out so something that'll be interesting to play with so much stuff to play with I need like a year just to. To learn and stay up to date ES keeping track of all of this as leading global brand for Ebeling, the Microsoft cloud obsolete. He's global Microsoft MVP and multi certified cloud solutions architect team has authored over twenty courses the Microsoft press book implementing Azure, solution seventy dash five thirty three and numerous Microsoft, cloud practice playbook for Microsoft partners. And for a limited time, you can get your team certified in the most exciting cloud business today with a twenty five percent discount off instructor led training prep courses for Azure, and Microsoft, three sixty five. Visit obsolete dot com forward slash Microsoft cloud. To learn more that's Opie. S G I L I T, Y dot com forward slash Microsoft cloud. I just wanna be clear with this one too. Because we talk about it as Azure, logic, apps or flow or power, apps or things like that. It's a connector that interrogates and works against an API. And really we're talking about the features and functionality of that graph security API. So it's not just alerts for maybe identity protection for users that graph API actually lets you or it's getting data fed into it from a bunch of different places for alerts. So it's getting data from Ayrshire security center from Azure, active directory, identity protection cloud app securities in there. It's got windows defender advanced threat protection AIP is in their into is going to be there office three sixty five will be there, and even Azure ATP will be there. And then there's third party partners or is fees that are publishing in there as well. So today, if you think about maybe combining Asher security center, and you know, your next gen firewalls like Palo Palo Alto has connector. A feeder into the graph security API. So if I wanted to I could build a graph solution that builds out this rich playbook with service now and everything else. And all it's doing is giving me security alerts from my fraternal machines, and my firewalls that are cloud hosted which would be really cool. This is a nice little connector that they came out with. And it'll be fun to see if they continue to come up with more connectors more interactions of the grave API, the graph API to build out all kinds of fun stuff. So I think that's it. Obviously, there's always more news. We can talk about. But we should probably rep it up since we both have work to do. Oh events. There's some events coming up to we're going to talk about those just talking. So. Yes, there couple some we will be at some. We will not be at there's another. I think they started this last year the business application summit. There's another one of those coming up. We'll throw it in the show notes. It's an Atlanta in June. So if you are in that business, apps power, BI dynamics power apps flow. This is. A couple of as you might want to check out. And then in March there is the North American collaboration summit out Branson, Missouri. And I actually going to be out there. I am giving. I think I'm giving two sessions that was originally one on some of the reporting stuff in office three sixty five. I think I'm going to be doing what now on, Azure, and Microsoft three sixty five leak podcast episode only more of a presentation about why office three sixty five men's also should understand Asher from an admin perspective in how Asher plays into office three sixty five from that ministry perspective. So if you are anywhere near Branson or want to go to Branson, Missouri for a conference. This is a good conference put on by Mark Rakkli out there. So that should be fun. Sure point conferences coming up again as well. Which as of right now, I don't think neither you nor. I are gonna make it out there too that when this year, but that one's out in Vegas another cheer point conference out there if you are interest. Sted in that. So I think that's the big ones coming up in the next three or four months sense. Get it tastes start. Yes. Links and the show notes early links to all the conferences there with that. Well, today sounds good. Thanks. All right. We'll talk to you again next week. If you enjoyed the podcast, go leave us a five star rating, an IT it helps to get the word out. So more IT pros can learn about office three sixty five Asher. If you have any questions who want us to address on the show or feedback about the show feel free to reach out our website, Twitter or Facebook, thanks again for listening and have a great day.

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Hard Factor 8/6: 8Chan, AKA "Where Psychos Go To Hang", Is Finally Facing The Heat & A News Buffet Including Shark Attacks, Burglary, R. Kelly & Bam Losing His Mind

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Hard Factor 8/6: 8Chan, AKA "Where Psychos Go To Hang", Is Finally Facing The Heat & A News Buffet Including Shark Attacks, Burglary, R. Kelly & Bam Losing His Mind

"Would it is joe man randy savage. This factor in there is no one that does it better now but it does it better myself. Go ahead. Tell me something right down. Not a rate <music> <music>. Welcome to another episode of heart factor from the <hes> less fly garage was back and it's tuesday august six not much less why now we did bring the bug assault out. Would you guys we're exaggerating. If it's not much less fly yeah okay okay nice work. Now you'll have to fucking truly out and we went on vacation electorally anyway guys. They've got a big show for you today. They will is on vacation still but west is back kinda and we're going to talk about. I can talk about eight chan being down the dark place on the internet and then mark in west. Gonna take thank you guys through news buffet of hot headlines. Take it away pat. I will shut down yesterday guys and that's after its hosting and security security company cloudflare said enough is enough and pulled the plug this as you might imagine is in direct relation to the mass shootings over the weekend well well. I might imagine it but what's chan well. We're going to get into that mark. It's believed the penile challenged. Passos shooter posted his manifesto to the message board site right before he realized his eventual destiny of becoming a bloody semen stain on prison sheets yeah. That's that's hit him forever. Fuck pulp. He's give me off fuck boy. He's going to be such and such but boy anyway look the first two times mass shooters posted nonsensical racist manifestos festive to cloudflare's servers right before they killed dozens of innocent people. I really got cloud faith cloudflare thinking but when it happened a third time cloudflare knew they had to do something something nice work guys for those who don't know h chan was an image board which is essentially a message board that was created by computer program in frederick brennan ak hot wheels us who built the site after he observed what he perceived to be rapidly escalating surveillance and a loss of free speech on the internet yeah. He thought the predecessor to h._s._e._n. Four four chan was getting a little bit to uproot so doubled it okay the plot by two setting out to create an internet utopia that he describes as quote a free speech each friendly alternative with zero oversight whatsoever from moderators of any kind snot means that nothing gets deleted no matter how dark nothing has taken out of our moderator raider you can't report people get into hard to find my child porn. You gotta go to a new site. It's funniest say that wes because what happens when you create a safe haven for or the subset of humans who spend the majority of their days on computers and can post and converse it completely anonymously with absolutely no oversight we can take a look at barstool sports comment section before the introduction of goals. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding but seriously what you get is a meeting place for the worst of the worst humans. It's like the waiting room outside of a guidance counselor's office at an alternative school plants. We're child pornography flows freely a place where cunanan and the deep state are real a place where you can meet up and plan life-threatening threatening swatting raids on gamers beat you in halo a place where body counts in mass shootings are referred to as high scores a place where you can publish a manifesto for your brothers to read right before you shoot up a synagogue that way they can both proofread proofread it and really feel like they're part of the action so basically anyone that goes on a chance to be on some kind of list oh yeah so basically eight chan and was just a bunch of despicable freaks and f._b._i. Agents monitoring one hundred percent and it also is the place as a as. I alluded to clearly that <hes> people were posting their manifestos like literally literally minutes before they were shooting up many manifestos three manifestos. At least it's not totally confirmed that the el paso guys manifesto but absolutely the christchurch manifesto manifesto should be we called the ramblings of a piece of shit. Will that's kind of what manifesto mean well i hate. It sounds a lot cooler. When you call the manifest on heart factor were no longer referring to these things as manifestos. We're i them as west the ramblings of a piece of shit perfect look the site's original creator hot wheels who claims he got the idea for the site will tripping on magic mushrooms has called for it to be taken down in a recent interview saying quote. It's not doing the world any good now. He hasn't been involved in the site since two thousand fifteen when the site was taken over by. Jim watkins a u._s. Retired army veteran in his fifties who lives in the philippines operates a pig farm in addition to the site so you know nothing weird is going on at his house. Drp helicopters helicopters on that forum like going to the philippines driving around you make a wrong turn and you just get assault rifles shot at you because you're on his property. You're at jim's house his partner in crime trump you ropes into that far. His son ronald anyone that lives in the philippines. I suspect me any ex pats in the philippines. Like what are you doing over there. Ronald holden gyms pig farm not where you wanna be yeah watkins. He learned computers in the army before starting the porn site. Asian bikini bar started off well yeah which which vendors silly led him down dark path to where he took over fortune stop there. That's why he went up guys. Thank god their site that is that described itself as quote. The darkest reaches of the internet is gone but this does bring up an important point. The original spirit of the site was to allow for people to speak freely without fear being censored and like with exponentially growing technologies the ability to speak freely without being censored by your government will undoubtedly be a constant battle for all humans to fight but the unfortunate lesson. We've learned that the internet has taught us is that if you let human say what they want anonymously on the internet they will undoubtedly abuse it and say the most vile fucked up shit. That's humanly possible yeah. Pat used to be a tax pat back in the downs. Like what are you doing. He's like eight channing. I never fucking bro pat. Stay all weekend eight. I never h in h n is the people that brought the frog there people that brought you like racist memes that just wanted to go on the dark web. It's like y- one of my things where i make fun of them. I joined the adjoin it and then i read all the stuff that make fun of the monitor research. That is why i'm in rush limbaugh. I know private group on facebook but no and west i only on the web at your house now <hes> but h in is not the dark doc was a website but it takes a lot of the features the dark web yeah a lot of links from the darling child porn is that a lot of people were on v._p._n.'s. Well alon agent view direct jumps to the dark web for may chan. I don't think you understand the dark web west. I think through the through an onion browser special browser sir you need to find special addresses to go. You can't just like google but then to that same point google removed a chan- completely from its google ability because of child outpoint. I feel like the dark web is like once you get in like immediately. Just your computer like turns into a webcam at someone else monitoring you get naked. You're in your worthy. Is that every time we come in here. The webcam is turned around in the studio. He's trying to the dark web casually sweet. It's fucking awesome you can like it's literally marketplace for any drug that you want not that. I've ordered any of them on there but i want you to a window. Shopping might be tested out one day and we are usually doing it on your i._p. Address let's let's check the internet guys <hes> but honestly seriousness. Do you guys think that before we go to the right. Do you think that you can have anonymity and free speech or or not like like like candidate exists where you can be anonymous and say what you want. I mean you and not talk poorly. You can exist but i think you can have free speech is amazing but if you have free speech and then you're committing crimes like child pornography crime that thought there are certain things that free speech still doesn't protect at you from from crimes h did have a line with which they would not cross and that was a copyrighted material the d the d._n._c. anything all right. Let's say the internet guy so wait a minute. This is a this is plagiarized manifesto. This child porn is copy written copy and pasted from the last mashreq. I don't think you have the right to post this. This child the point we tried to get comment from chen but newark this communist from matthew prince cloudflare's cheap chief executive and what is cloud clark oregon flair was the security company and also like web infrastructure company that was using this cloud right. Someone cloudflare went down there. Just basically they're fucked. They're just open for attack which is based in francisco. It's not like a fucking foreign company like they were allowing to happen. There are other companies like cloudflare as well that that could eventually us in jump to a different server and right now. That's gone now. This is from cloudflare's chief executive matthew prince who said quote we've seen a pattern where there's lawless community entity has demonstrated its ability to create real harm and real damage. If we see a bad thing in the world and we can get help to get in front of it. We have an obligation to do got it only took you six fucking years matthew six fucking years in three mashes fucking guy's house and just punch him in the gut face because you know he's lived on a house off profits that he made a fucking h from all reports from pat. H has been bad since day one. Oh yeah absolutely any any any dark reaches the internet where people can say whatever the fuck they want and they can post under a pseudonym. It's going to be bad. They must suggesting that you were on it from each other right the dark web however all right take it away. Mark on the west is gonna shit. I'm sorry in the news buffet. Today's episode heart factor is brought to you by c._b. Distillery dot com if you've got health concerns god knows i do. You're to yourself to you. See what you can do for you c._b._d. 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Distillery dot com daily really new baby so the dow dipped seven hundred and sixty seven points yesterday as investors sold off shares the worried about the continuing genuine trade war. We're having with china. What exactly trump is going to do next. <hes> that's the biggest loss for stocks this year. It's like a six day loss going on <hes> china also let the yuan <hes> saying that right drop to its lowest level against the dollar and over a decade trump is called this move currency manipulation and responsive president trump's tweets last week about a threatening threatening to put tariffs on pretty much all of china's <hes> goods about three hundred billion dollars worth everything in your pocket if you threaten actually go through with like a three hundred billion dollars tariff. Maybe there would be your reaction yeah. There's going to be a reaction and and you know it's not why you acting so surprise so in response to that <hes> china stopped buying u._s. Farm products valid devalued. Its currency like i said it's a six day. Losing extreme was apparently set off by the federal reserve reluctance to commit to long term interest rate drops something that investors and economists ause signal that this trade war might not work out in the u._s. Disfavor in the short short term why we shouldn't farm products china anyway man <noise> the fucking biggest country in the world outside of russia can't they can't they <hes> or maybe they're bigger than russia. Can they just fucking farm their own shit i mean i guess we can do a lot of shit that we get from them to china's trade. You know that why did you ask me that so so even now the economy's doing great unemployment rates are great. They're still signals that i certainly can't begin to make sense of like <hes> treasury notes yield dropping etc that economists are pointing pointing to this whole china thing actually might come back to bite trump in the ass. There's also some speculation that trump may try to devalue the dollar which would of course impact buying power for businesses so hopefully this guy knows knows what the fuck is doing. You think that he's gonna he's gonna get an enraged in a battle and he's going to devalue the dollar. Just speaking winning could fly off the handle yeah i. I don't doubt komo see we'll see so the mass shootings in the fallout from them as still dominating the news cycle and i'll just call out a few of the highlights since yesterday's show president trump gave a speech on monday okay morning where he condemned white supremacy and racist bigotry and said hey it has no place in america which was nice to hear from him did he did seem to back off his earlier morning tweets on monday where he tweeted maybe married or linked bill could be passed with gun reform in the form of background checks and immigration reform bill that we cannot that bill. I'm not sure how the two are linked to while he would ever even fucking say that he didn't mention that insanely shady bill in the speech <hes> but he did blame gun violence on mental health saying mental mental illness and hatred pulls the trigger not the guns so maybe some gun lobbyists place to call in between some tweets says he was trying to package his his <hes> his wall like this and i get this trump is planning to visit el paso and dayton which he called toledo in a sign off of his speech. This wednesday that you've ever been to toledo is a major insult gory and cory booker nancy pelosi tim ryan and bitter work amongst other democrats are losing their goddamn minds over this whole ordeal and trump's each and every response the point where beta was dropping f bombs when asked by a journalist if there was anything trump could do to protect us from gun violence beta said you no the shit's been saying he's been calling mexicans immigrants rapists and criminals. I don't know like members of the press what the fuck hold on a second. You know well i. It's these these questions that you already know the answers to so he's just lost very passionate right now. District that got shot up immediately asking people awardees pulling out after his speeches and opacity still two percent. He's like he's walking a dangerous line there hello so you could not be found for comment and she was screaming into a half glass all day. One all right so are kelly has officially been charged in minnesota adding to the list of charges. He's now facing so he's got one charge of prostitution one charge of solicitation after he allegedly solicited a seventeen year old girl the comeback to tell room with him after one of his concert and do a little dance for him for two hundred bucks a naked he kinda solicited all seventeen year old girls when he put that song remix mix to a mission after the party after party and after the party to the hotel lobby he's staying true to his word so how went down was back in july of two thousand one the young girl approach dr kelli outside the venue to ask for his autograph which he gave her along with some digits as phone number <hes> so the girl called r kelly who then got her up to so tell room help take your clothes off took office on close to make her feel more comfortable he is. He's a i'm not going to do. I'm not gonna ask you something. I wouldn't do myself that guy and then get naked. I might as well in any way yeah then. He watched her dance naked. Let's stick fingers up our asses. You wouldn't feel so weird. If i put my finger my would you follow the leader so i just jumped up down a little bit with that finger. My buddy we each other <hes> apparently he apparently then gave her some. I'm free tickets to his eighteen and over concert and and don't worry about it. Did you get in to get him. I gave tickets because i thought she was eighteen. She's in so they're then talks of him. Flying a lot of charges are currently in illinois and and <hes> we're in the works but despite the efforts to call the singer on the same number. She called the first time she could not get in touch with the singer. Whoa yeah fulham pro tip for our if you're gonna be sexually assaulting minors you gotta you gotta pick up the phone buddy. I give him the time of day afterwards otherwise they're going to get pissed. Ghost not not this guy's a fucking monster but he's also soon idiot. It's a good good point point pat so he's now facing more charges and going on illinois and federally and he is just fucked yeah yes all right. Everyone's fourth a favorite member of the jackass squad an original founding member of c._k._y. Bam marghera is losing it worse than ever before hold on on. He's my first favorite member easily. He's you're first. I i was just being nice started c._k._y. Was the catalyst so c._k._y.'s sucks painting jackass. Johnny knoxville's better letter. We man's response is better brian. Dunne was better random. Rob himself might be better on curly-haired from c._k._y. And he couldn't do tricks. Get spam loser. Damn showed a series of instagram video this weekend begging dr phil for help. He said he's worse than he's ever been before and then his families in shambles so dr phil being the man of the people took him up on offer for help and on monday he filmed three hour one on one interview with dr phil and and bam just in the green room with no studio audience <hes> the interview should becoming out on doctor phil's next season so i think he did for why also that it was a lot of people were debating whether or not he was trolling rolling because like he was just like i need doctor phil's how it kind of didn't make sense because britain novak his buddy from growing up is a rehab interventionist and novak hlavac tried to come in and he was novak's trying to get fucking paid from the rehab facility. He wanted dr phil bad blood between novak. Now can use writing in fucking codes. Let me know what the fuck is going on with. Bam apparently is now on the way to rehab after that interview for the fourth time in his life earlier this year he was in rehab for about a week before he wrote an eight-page handwritten crazy crazy letter checking himself out in it he explained he's going to be able to handle demons on his own sounds like a manifesto manifesto for sure we don't use that word on on heartfelt and what's it called the west the ramblings of a piece of shit what it was he was also recently kicked off a southwest airlines flight for being belligerent and fighting with the southwest airlines employees but bam did show off some nifty d. remote piloting skills when he almost fluid dildo mounted to a drone into his girlfriend's vagina this time last year so if all else fails he could probably get some drone work. It was his wife if mark and also i don't know if you've got the video of him leaving austin texas yesterday but he threw seventeen thousand dollars into a into an airport security been and it was like <hes> i don't. I don't have time to count <hes> i can. I get through security. Your big bam got a huge bomb guy. Who's in fucking awesome. We'll see him. Give him a hug. I did old mitt. Did you watch it's a show elect when he talked with his parents all right so moving on if you are scared of being attacked by a shark might wanna listen up because i'm about to tell you the last place you should go and that's because of the last twenty four hours three people have been bitten by sharks at new smyrna beach in florida the place that experts have deemed the shark attack capital of the world and <hes> tourist officials and beachside businesses businesses and new cement area now just slowly walking into the ocean people are like no it's the safest place now because a shark just attacked here jet ski tours going down. Al franken lightning doesn't strike twice. Oh my yeah so in fact florida's pretty much the last place you want to go in period if you're scared of shark attack as eight hundred twenty eight of the fourteen over fourteen hundred confirmed shark attacks that taking place in the u._s. since eighteen thirty seven have taken place there. Oh wow went that far back. That's the one they started taking sixty percent. The sharks just smell meth -lica- bears can smell period. They're attracted of guys yelling. Shut up bitch yeah so i still do backflips off the pier a <hes> so come back tomorrow and do more backflips. You can't stop me yeah so why was second with one sixty two so big lead for florida. <hes> i guess that makes sense. The touristy beaches down there surfing more people in the water. I guess it's a numbers thing but there's a lot of shark attacks so i was just a bunch of drunk. People taunting short splashing around the one falling another recent attacks were life threatening. Luckily as they were all small smaller sharks like black tips and sandbar sharks but occasionally tiger sharks do come in the the area and those just don't exactly nippy when they t- west diva shark scuba. I mean i've been snorkeling. I get in the ocean. Whenever i'm actually more more scared of jellyfish more than normal slight fear and lastly a man was arrested in union county north carolina after detectives raided his home after a four-month heroin distribution investigation forty-seven-year-old marty shane cranford had seventy grams of heroin and seven grams of meth seized from his house but that's not all detect disease from his house as they had to call an thirty two foot trailer to seize everything else. They've found any guesses as to what that was. I don't know that stolen cars what was interesting. I will apparently apparently cranford burglarized approximately a hundred thousand dollars in stolen goods from a house burglar off griffith road home earlier in two thousand nineteen the hall included a knight's armor suit. Let antique antique paintings statues a- lamp a surround sound system marble top bathroom vanity and a porcelain bathtub so not exactly a dashing graft and believe is is nights suit of armor emerged fucking homerun for you better believe his wife was like get through armor and he was like no. He's praying that shift for weeks. How how long did it take two steel that did he know they were out of town and he rented his own johanna. Just all the hike or you don't accidentally steal a suit armor. Maybe he was making a drug deal to this guy and he knew he had a knight's armor suit. He just stayed in the knight's armor and waited from the god of town pays his house. Accessing gag is and that's going to do it for hard factor. Hope everyone is having a good week so far lots of big things coming up for hard factor and a little less than a month. We have a live beer power hour and austin texas at the east side tavern on wednesday september fourth p._f._c. comments are will be joining us and it's gonna be a fucking wild time to kick off an insane long weekend in austin culminating the u._t. L._s._u. football game. You're going to want to come to join us on wednesday night. If you're in south texas and if not not be sort of watched the livestream then the following week will be live in houston for the third democratic debates and we'll be causing a shit storm. They're covering the debates interviewing a bunch of people causing a scene scene and then throwing a big party friday night at a bar to be announced in the coming weeks which is dope but by the way i have a lotta money on predicted that we're gonna lose six to nine candidates before for the september debates which means that unites opinion well. That's a good segue because make sure you sign up for predicted the stock market gambling using our promo code. You're out. 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"Support for this n._p._r. Podcast and the following message come from better help online counseling by licensed professional counselors specializing in issues including depression stress. S. and anxiety visit better help dot com slash n._p._r. To learn more and get ten percent off your first month live from n._p._r. News in washington washington. I'm lakshmi singh. Families across the united states are grieving after a series of mass shootings in the last ten days that included back to back ambushes wishes two weekends in a row from new york to california to texas and ohio a number of victims are still hospitalized with serious injuries. We've just learned from el paso's police department that one of the victims injured in the walmart shooting saturday has died bringing the death toll in that attack twenty one president trump says he vows to act with urgent resolve n._p._r.'s frank or donas reports. The president called for change in the nation's mental health laws president trump says those killed in el paso and dayton cannot be allowed to to die in vain. He says the nation was condemned. Racism bigotry and white supremacy and he denounced the use of the internet to radicalized disturbed minds these sinister sure ideologies must be defeated. Hate has no place in america hatred warps. The mind ravages the heart and endevours the sole trump has come under fire from democrats who say his own rhetoric has divided americans but trump called on members of congress to put aside differences and work work together to pass strong bipartisan legislation franko or donas n._p._r. News the white house the online forum h n is down the site security provider dropped it over concerns about its role in spreading violent extremism details from n._p._r. Sign alum the idea behind eight chen was to create a totally unrestricted restricted internet forum a place for all ideas even hateful ones but extremist began using h. hand to recruit followers to celebrate a tax on racial and religious minorities ladies this year three mass shooters posted their manifestos on eight chen. The most recent was opposed by the suspect in the deadly shooting at an pasa walmart under pressure sure after that attack each hands digital security provider cloudflare decided to drop the site as a client in a statement cloudflare set of eight chen quote the rationale rationalists simple they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths hannah allam n._p._r. News well this year. Reportedly early has seen more mass shootings than it has days. The gun violence archive finds it. There have been two hundred fifty five mass shootings in the united states so far this year the non-profit defines a mass shooting as an event in which at least four people were shot not including the gunman in under two weeks. More than one hundred people were shot. Not many of them killed in mask on violence in which motives under investigation vary from domestic terrorism to gang violence. The latest mass attack took place earlier early this morning. During a vigil in brooklyn at least four people were injured. It was brooklyn's second mass shooting in nine days at at last check on wall street. The dow was down more than six hundred points. This is n._p._r. News republican senator rand paul all has undergone lung surgery related to injuries. He suffered when a neighbor tackled him outside his kentucky home. In two thousand seventeen today the former presidential candidate tweeted tweeted that part of his lung that was damaged in the assault was removed over the weekend. Kentucky's other senator majority leader mitch mcconnell is also recovering at home. He fractured his his shoulder sunday when he tripped at home. The senate's on its august recess to food delivery groups in europe are merging to create one the biggest in the industry teri schultz report the amsterdam-based takeaway dot com is joining former rival just eat the new company will be called just eat takeaway and valued you'd more than ten billion dollars both takeaway dot com and just eat bought up smaller companies last year and the merger will create one of the biggest food delivery providers in the world between the two of them. Three hundred and fifty five million orders were delivered last year and together. They'll span the globe. Just eat is focused on the u._k. And western europe japan is expanding into canada latin america and australia takeaway dot com holds a dominant position in germany and eastern europe. Just eat shareholders will own fifty two point two percent of the combined group which is to be headquartered in amsterdam and listed on the london stock exchange but shareholders of both companies still need to approve the deal for n._p._r. News as i'm teri schultz in brussels will china allowed. Its currency the u._n. To sink to an eleven year low against the dollar stoking fears of an escalating trade war with the u._s. and and major market indices are down all down more than two percent. This is n._p._r. News.

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We were just talking about buying things online and what we thought of the apple announcement yesterday and all kinds of good stuff on good day. Internet that's the wider show that encapsulates daily Tech News show you can get that by becoming a member at Patriotair dot com slash. DT Ns let's start with a few things you should know the Uber laid off four hundred thirty five people in engineering and product roles which is about eight percent of those departments this follows a layoff of four hundred people from its marketing department back in July Uber Employees Around Twenty seven thousand full time folks. Uber also lifted hiring freeze that was put into place last month and the company lost five billion dollars in two although a large portion of that loss was related to one time. IPO Expenses Real RECR- clarification that twenty seven one thousand doesn't include drivers at all right good clarification. It does not at least not yet. That's a lot of people yet not yet. Maybe California Sin all right. Hey Mozilla is launching its fire. Fox private network. VPN service to US desktop users of fire foxes part of the revived fire Fox test pilot program Fire Fox private network is an extension that encrypted encrypted connection to analyze it and or excuse me anonymous it and to prevent sniffing cloud cloudflare provides the proxy servers to Mozilla. The service is free free during this Beta the Libra Association said it plans to apply to become a licensed payments system in Switzerland where it is headquartered the Swiss Financial Market Supervisor Finnmark said libra appears to be more than just a global payment system and likely would be subject to liquidity and capital allocations for risk management of reserves serves remember. There's a basket of currencies that Lieber uses as a reserve to back. Its crypto currency that it's developing. Lebron told Reuters that Finn misguidance quote now now define what the libra ecosystem is and what it is not Bloomberg reports three merchants that say several attorneys and at least one economists I have been conducting interviews with people who so good on Amazon as part of a US F. T. C. investigation this follows August second report that Jon Stead of Minnesota was interviewed by FTC lawyers about the impact of Amazon and Apple's deal on his refurbished Mac business whiter than just the apple stuff looks like they're looking into all all parts of it. According to these sources let's talk a little bit more about some of those under the under the radar apple announcements this they sometimes just released some things in in press releases like they did with the operating system release dates that we mentioned yesterday Scott. You've got another one here sure this is less boring on stage interesting to consumers. I think apple updated apple apple care plus with a new monthly subscription offering previously the extended warranty covered two or three years which could pay You'd pay that all at once. When you pick up your hardware go buy it or get it online or you could do it in monthly installments? That's how it always worked in the change. Now offers the option to pay monthly until cancelled. The user could cancel the subscription under certain terms. We're apple could cancel within thirty days notice if it no longer can service the items or the parts for the thing. That's breaking for you. This potentially means apple care could last is longer than the usual two or three years How do we feel about subscription in our lives that service one. If you try to wrap your head around this say the Apple Watch you normally get it for applicator for two years period. You can pay it in instalments. You can pay it all at once but it's two years. This seems to imply that could last longer than two years because they're saying you pay monthly until it till you cancel. Although I suppose apple could just decide. There are no longer parts to service at the end of two years. We'll have to wait and see. I'm hoping that's not the case. Yes sort of eleventh-hour kind of stuff reminds me of my current lease term for my apartment. You know my landlord handler and has thirty days to be like you're out of here but but at the same time having just gone through a big macro Mac book but pro displayed fix that was six hundred and fifty dollars a lot of money because it was out of warranty and it was something that was an apple wasn't going to cover for for me. Even though it's a known issue that is beside the point I after I did the math and I was like I will this sort of apple insurance. Prince would have saved me money in the long term had this had been available to me beforehand which it wasn't but at the same time it's kind of like the way I feel about creative clouds. I'm paying every month for Premier and Photoshop It's it's going to over the course of several years be more money than it would have been to outright just by the products in the first place which is how we used to do things but we've all gotten so used to subscription models yeah. I I. I wonder if there isn't a future where if you're invested enough across the board. I guess if you're a business maybe they already have some of this and I don't know but paying a a monthly fee to just sort of covered all of the stuff branded under that name whether it's apple or whoever Microsoft whoever wants to do it that seems like a thing I wouldn't mind as a as a consumer or a kind of a pro sumer of products. That seems like that might be a a way to deal yeah. I don't think there's this works that way. I think you have to tell it what you're covering covering and then the price varies on that but yeah I I'm usually one who thinks that these things don't exist to protect us so much as make the company company money so I am very sceptical. Apple does have one of the better terms where they will actually replace things in fixing some of these warranties. Try to Kinda nickel and dime you on that stuff even when when it's covered right but interesting to see that with sort of a no end I wonder if being in cahoots with Goldman Sachs on the credit card provided them any insight and in the math half behind offering this Google's chrome seventy seven is rolling out to Windows Mac. IOS And android this week one new feature. Let's right click on a link where you can choose to send the a link to another device where you use chrome so in other words not just opening the same page as you have opened but like I can send the link from windows windows to my android phone and when I go open chrome my android phone it'll be right there now the feature has shown up and windows android and IOS though in Ios you have to have chrome open to see the prompt to accept the shared link so it's a little junkier there and it hasn't showed up on macro desktop yet but it will supposedly crump seventy-seven also has a new site loading indicator in the tab that uses the sites fave icon so it's a little more obvious when it's still loading and before the show I I died. I was like this sounds like a great feature. Was this not already a feature and Tom. You clarified well for some people. They're like. Don't don't already have the ability to do this but now it it's being able to share the link is actually a step for Fire Fox. Does it if you were thinking of that. Maybe I don't know they've they've. I'm Crumley user across all devices currently so yeah. There is a isn't okay. Maybe totally wrong here and I hope I answered someone correct me but it seems like I've when when I've jumped around with different browsers on my phone including chrome and fire Fox that the apple link share stuff still kinda work so you get that Kinda Anna Mac icon POPs up goes. Oh you've got something happening over here on this other device you want to open it here and I swear I've done that yeah. That's an apple thing. You can't do that with your android phone. I think that's what we're thinking. What I'm saying the experience I had could be makes me think I've done. It and I actually have not exactly the same thing but yeah what you're thinking of right Scott. I have potentially good news or bad news for you. I'll let you tell me what it is is playstation gamers count yourself among them who've been calling the consoles. X. Button the X. Button are in for a surprise because Sony says this is actually called old the cross button in fact twitter. Sony's official account said quote if cross is called X. and then they said imprint this is it's not them. What are you calling circle recall and that referred to the fact that a lot of gamers call the O- Button the Circle Button yeah. This is the thing that didn't some people are downright upset about it. Yeah I mean. Sony did a poll where they said. What do you call it. Wink wait what you're on yeah. It's honestly on themselves but it's also been. It's a it's a biard thing totally is definitely a PR thing but here's the thing like it's so weird to get wrapped up in a pedantic thing that has been in place for twenty plus years. We have been calling the X. Button since the day in six that I went home with my brand new playstation one and then return it a week later because the van was bad but anyway that's not part of we called it an expert and then I've heard Sony in presentations at e three and other events say the X. Button as they're describing what's happening in games and so on so I yeah no they know it so this is just a way of getting everybody to talk about their playstation. I guess and I don't know that it's the best way to do that. It seems like a lot of negative cloud over this thing cross. No it makes me mall xed out over it. You're like okay of course because of naming conventions of competitors sure you say oh yeah cold across rather than an expert as you point out. Scott Sony itself hasn't done this for many eight years now. So it's super silly and it's not it's not so much that we we're completely adverse to change if they came out and said it's really important because the cross button and for now all games will just refer to it as that and you'll see it in all of our documentation if they were going to do that all right fine we get used to it but why it's you're part of the of the popular culture in a way that few companies are and certainly in gaming. That's a that's a thing that sticks forever. We already know it for what it is. It was already weird. You symbols not. Ab Ab X. Y. Like everybody else was doing and has continued to double down on this weird symbol thing the only part of it that made sense let's do it was excellent occasionally. Oh instead of circle so don't take that from us. Let us have this like normal conversation about next. It's it's the ten button and I'm never going to tell nick. He's never going to go down. I can't get out of this level. Well hit the cross button hit hit the hit the ten but well and also I mean I know this nitpicky but when I see X. That often means like abort prayed like doesn't mean cross to me. You should have planted the seed about the fact that you wanted us to call this a long time ago. Yeah another controllers have X. It's all just weird appeared so I don't know why they did at Tom's right. It's pr it's weird pr though let's talk about something more serious. I agree in documents related to its plans to issue you public stock cloudflare disclosed potential economic and trade sanctions violations and such to the US Treasury Department the filing says the disclosure was made to the treasury and may the filing also says that customers that have been designated by the US as terrorists and narcotics traffickers or or affiliated with governments who who are currently subject to comprehensive US sanctions used and paid for cloud fair services but I says it's adding additional controls and screening to remediate the problem and remedy rather remediate cloudflare also made disclosures over a potential export control violations to the Commerce Department and Census Census Bureau so I mean really this is cloudflare filing. Its paperwork not covering things up saying hey you know we did our due diligence. We looked in the background. It looks like some bad people may have taken advantage of are services and we're taking measures to try to stop that from happening in the future but this is no different than what happens on facebook and Youtube a tube in my opinion where you have an automatic system for signing up for something and it works at a scale that is larger than humans can review and that is a problem and you know I. I don't think there's a moral judgment to be laid on cloudflare here other than to say like well in this world where technology works at that scale. This is something that is going to happen and yes. We need to figure out how to make it not happen but it's easier said than done and and it's interesting interesting to me that you don't you don't see a bunch of outrage about cloudflare out there that you might have if this was a facebook or Google doing it because cloudflare has been very good about protecting your data and being a good steward or at least appearing to be so in the past yeah isn't it also good that they benefit fit from being on the tail end of these other stories like one last day even feels like every week there's at least two or three days outrage exhaustion partly that but also they can come in on the back end and go well in spite. They're not saying this but despite all of those things we're doing this the right way. We believe here's our due diligence. Here's our here's our transparency parents. Here's how we're trying to do. This isn't that better than what you've seen before but these are these are. They're not doing press announcements about this. They're not out there saying look at what we're doing. These are just they had to file this yeah but even then like it's just a better look for them that they weren't the first to get hit with like hey wait a minute. There might be potential terrorists using your common systems. I mean that's that's true of any online service at all but that's not specific to cloudflare. That's true I think this is less of a look at what did right and more of a this is our new normal yeah right or wrong either one developer. Steve Trout and Smith he of the finding evidence of future your products and developers things fame posted a screen shot of a read me file from the IOS thirteen gold master that describes how employees can run. Stereo augmented mended reality APPs on an iphone when you don't have access to apple's headset headset is that Steve Trout and Smith asked as he read this read me refers to something code-named Ghardaia Ghardaia has also been reported in leaks by nine to five Mac and macrumors as a codename for an A. R. headset garters seems to be a stereoscopic. Ar headset based on the content of the read me thirteen code also has a game controller framework gamepad profile L. that troughton Smith describes as four a device meant to be used while using stereo augmented reality APPs controller profile has a click track pad a trigger trigger button and a system but which Troughton Smith thinks might be a home button but yeah it looks like at least internally apple has been testing an augmented reality the headset of some sort and controller to go with it and this is something that we've been hearing rumors about for some time but this is our best evidence evidence that this is a real thing that is interesting. Yeah not only that but you know everybody was. We're talking about how it feels like people run eggshell sometimes with apple saying well when you you. GonNa show your hand in the Vr stuff that we know you're at least researching or working on bats what they do. They wait for everybody else to products out and then they come out and say well. Here's how we think we're doing it right and they just haven't really done much even though there'd been weird patents floating around and strange drawings and now this but I think this leads me to believe anyway that what we'll see is is a company continued to push a are They've had a lot of the happening with the phone and with our hours devices why not apple to be the one that comes out with at the very least it didn't a solution if not some sort of mixed reality headset and maybe maybe center and we think Oregon's could be like any other apple cars where he's never see anything so I'm not holding hold my breath but I'm excited that there's something Sean Hollister over at the verge suggests that this could be like a cardboard style device something you put your iphone in and if you if you read the the read me in a certain way could work that way which might be just a test device. He doesn't think an I agree with him. That apple would ever ever release a cardboard style augmented reality vice for an iphone so we may be a little farther down the road then we think but if you're like well wait eight already knew apple was making an augmented reality device because I saw those headlines well. There's been a lot of people leaking things and speculating. This is solid evidence. It's reference to the headset into read me file released to public developers so this is different than somebody said or somebody told me or I think I heard or saw leak like this. Is this is actual evidence. We we've sort of lost the ability to distinguish those things over the years so I feel it's important to point that out. Hey folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each Dana about five minutes be sure to subscribe to daily Tech Headlines. Dot Com all right back the California State Senate passed bill. AB Five I've that bill if it becomes law. It's not law yet would make some contractors into non contract employees. You'll see people refer to it as fulltime but there could be part time employees that are that are assigned benefits. The point is they get benefits. They contractors don't get benefits. If you're a full employee a non contract employees they have to give you a certain amount amount of benefits the bill would affect companies like Uber Lift Door Dash Post mates even interpreters and translators possibly some taxi companies who hire people the drive as contractors under the proposed law to be considered a contractor a worker in California must meet the ABC test this was laid out in a court case last year and is now being kind of beefed up and turned into law so the ABC case is you are free from control of the hiring company. The hiring in company doesn't tell you how to do your job. They just hire you to do a thing and How does your contract yeah. This is how you qualify as a contractor to you have to work outside the company's main business if the company is a trucker which is what the court case was about and you drive a truck. It's going to be harder to prove that you work outside the company's main business and the third thing you need to do to prove you're an independent contractor is have an independent business beyond the contract job. Bob So you can't be like oh no my only source of income. Is this contract job then. The legislation is going to say well then you're not contractor. Ab Five specifically exempt some categories though so freelance writers are exempt real estate agents and lawyers among others these non contract employees in California if they're found to be not contractors must be he paid a minimum wage receive overtime sick leave family leave and contribute to social security and Medicare and if they're using their own vehicles like with Uber and lift then they'd be required to be reimbursed for mileage if they're using their own car for company business also don't forget that companies with employees have to pay payroll tax for employees. He's on top of the money taken out for wages. A lot of people don't realize that there's the withholding that comes out of your payroll but then the company has to pay a tax just for employing when you on top of that Blueberry Pie. That's called the payroll tax but why because the government wants to have more money so I'm just as somebody who has never overpaid this tax. I'm like that doesn't sound like that. I WANNA do no but I pay this tax because I employ yeah so as a privilege of employing Roger and Sarah I pay the payroll tax next and lift say they plan to take a referendum California voters to create a new non employee classification for drivers next year that would be their their way of fighting back on this the bill now goes back to the state assembly for kind of reconciliation after some amendments that the Senate put on it. It's expected to pass their and after that it would go to the governor who is is in full support of this so he was expected to sign it and if passed it will go into effect on January first man so many things to think about with us and I know it's only California but I work with so many Californians that I have a lot of questions about how this might affect me. It does sound though like for example of somebody hires me. and I'll speak just because I only know what I could do but somebody hires me. Hey we're doing this children's book. We need an illustrator we'd like you to do it probably going to be okay like that's still a under these definitions in these changes at still a thing you're the writer is pulling in an artist to do a thing and the writers done and that guy goes away contract complete right. They're trying to kill our people who may WanNa keep me around a dual associations for something every month still calling me a contractor but depriving me of whatever rights it's. I think they're deprived me of. I think that's how I haven't in my head and people take advantage of it right well. Yeah I mean this is this is definitely targeted at an industry and never has unintended side effects. Does it yeah I mean this whole story. You Know You keep hearing the term economy economy workers you see Uber and lift drivers or you know somebody. WHO's working for post mates where you know. Somebody's working for you know it's it's it's that certain sector of workers which sometimes it's fulltime. It's often not full-time so companies that are of a large scale. Would we say earlier in the the show who has like twenty seven thousand full time employees none of which are drivers big company and in many cases this is the bread and butter of somebody who is working for that company so now. I see that it makes a lot of sense but you know Tom. You used the team as an example and there are a lot of small private companies. Benin's who will be affected by this and not necessarily in good ways. Yeah I mean it makes it hard for me or Scott if he's using somebody buddy that lives here in California Co host Kerr Geek with them for instance. It makes it harder to decide. Well wait a minute. Do you fall under this law. I mean you're not a freelance writer so you're not exempt there but you like for me. It's easy to say like Oh. I have my own business. I had to actually fight this out with a company that had hired me to do something and wanted to make me an employee and take out Medicare and social security and all that and I was like wait wait wait you're hiring my company and you're not hiring me and eventually what they did is like oh you should be a vendor not a contractor and they switched it all up and it's fine but it is causing a lot of consternation outside of this and and I guess what makes it a tech story is a lot of non malicious technology innovation happens because of the freedom to be like. Oh Yeah. Let me just hire somebody to do that for for a minute that doesn't require a lot of paperwork and consternation at least in California. This is going to add a a few layers to that or at least put people at risk if they're like well as long as nobody complains. I guess it's fine but what if somebody does complain down the road right it just just adds a little uncertainty in there yeah yeah. I hope I hope it doesn't have I mean here's a here's what usually happens with these kinds of changes and also existing laws people find loopholes as you were describing this. I was thinking about let's see. If is Tom really a contractor. When I do Geek Path so probably not then I'll you're brilliant. LLC You to provide a guest for your show exactly see. There's always this stuff. I learned that if I've learned anything for my magical accountant and one day it may get him in trouble. I don't know but he has this way of finding all the way around and say oh well for that you just say this for that. You just do this. You show this. It's not like lying or deceit is just not that's right exactly if there is somebody like Sarah for instance who's like oh I tell her. I don't tell her what to do know until Sarah. What do you have to be here every day and and I want you. I want you to write up some stuff that and doing forty hours a week work then you're a full-time person and I get that and this is this is trying to make sure the companies are abusing this so I'm not saying I'm even against this law but it does has changed the way a lot of other things are going to happen. I know they they carved out lawyers in real estate agents because they knew those would be screaming the biggest freelance writers. There's too 'cause I media uses that a lot so it'll be interesting yeah. Also I'm glad I'm glad that they're not worried about how poorly people who are on on their own sole proprietorships treat themselves. Do you know what I'm saying like. There's no way I am be fair to myself. I can crappy vacation time. My pays pays not that great. If you look at our spent versus what the totals are like. I'm a terrible example of mismanagement of my employees if I counted. I'm really glad I don't and I hope I never ever do well. I hope you never do either and yeah I mean I guess we didn't talk enough about like the actual what this does for writers but it could reduce the number of writers that these companies employ on the other hand. It's definitely going to reduce the exploitation of these writers who have have been complaining more and more that the deal gets worse all the time that the more they work. They're not making that much more money as the fares change so it'll be interesting to see how it shakes yeah. I mean freelance writing especially. It's like free from control of the hiring company working outside the company's main business everybody does that. They have an independent business beyond the contractor job. Everybody does that you don't unless things are going badly so yeah. A lot of grey areas here still well. The freelance writers are exempted so they're not to worry about it right but anybody who falls under that same moniker. Is You know I. I think there are a lot of companies who you know. Are we really controlling you. Freelance person might say well. I think you are point. It'd become the start thinking of these loopholes and like if you define it that way that's why this stuff so hard to regulate does hard to regulate our wonderful sub editor is you can submit stories. He's and vote on others et daily tech new DOT READY DOT com. We use those stories to help. Bolster our show so thank you in advance. We also have a facebook group join it. If you haven't already facebook dot COM com slash groups slash daily tech new show. Let's check out the MAILBAG. Let's do it. Ted wrote in about using Vivaldi as his main browser for over a year instead. He has some really good thoughts. 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We have the discord call in line rooms or opening available to you on our discord server at dischord dot l. r. n. dot f. m. as we continue to broadcast to you every single day we talk about the ideas of freedom and sometimes what's in the news using of course what has been <hes> dominating the headlines recently has been the recent shootings and i know <hes> dave silver. Dave has some comments on those welcomes over dave. Thanks for having me in my pleasure. I think johnson is actually on his way in. He called me from the the parking lot which it's normally just a house driveway but there's actually a bunch of construction outside so it's actually hard to get to at the moment so he's on his way and and <hes> let's see oh so in the news eight chan apparently did lose its hosting are not hosting but it's cloudflare flare dave. You're familiar with the the cloudflare service not familiar with cloudflare. You'll see it pop up on like a a website if you're trying to go to a website and the site is down. They'll frequently be a cloudflare error that <hes> that comes up so like it won't be a completely blank page. It'll be an error from cloudflare that explains that the site in question is no longer available and <hes> so what cloudflare does does is. It's a system that <hes> that website webmasters can hire and actually. I think they still they may still offer a free service. I know longtime ago when they were first getting started they they did a free service and it was a little buggy so i tried it for a while and then i dropped the service but a lot of major websites use cloudflare and what cloudflare basically does is it provides websites protections against certain types of attacks so denial of service attacks or other types of online fine <hes> attacks cloudflare does that it it distributes the content of the site to different servers around the planet so if if one path to <hes> to the site is down it can kind of <hes> pick it up at at other locations around the planet so it's sort of distributes the <hes> the site. They do some pretty useful things. Thanks and that's why the folks over at eight chen were utilizing cloud cloudflare until apparently yesterday according to n._b._c. News dot com handful of companies that provide crucial internet services have announced they will not work with the anonymous online forum eight chan and eh or other companies that work with it in the wake of the shooting in el paso in which at least twenty two people were killed and so what this is as a result of people contacting cloudflare and saying hey. We don't think that you should work with these. People because eight chan is basically an internet s show. It's a bunch of you know angry young males most many of them. I don't know if all of them are. I don't spend much time there. I know the the site exists but honestly. I couldn't tell you whether it's h. Dot o._r._g. Or eight chan dot com. I don't <hes> i don't even know what the u._r._l. Is of it. Maybe i can pull that up here and see if they've they've gotten back online sense. <hes> cloudflare took him down looks like it is oh yeah i was wrong. It's eight c h dot net and i'll let you know if the sites back online but as of yesterday cloudflare took them off now that doesn't mean the site itself would necessarily go away it just means it no longer have the cloudflare protection on aside and we therefore be more perhaps likely to <hes> it'll be taken down by a cyber attack of some sort cloudflare provides a variety of internet services including including protection against common cyber-attacks said that they plan to cease doing business with h._m._o. After the alleged gunman had posted his racist screed to the website cloudflare c._e._o. Matthew prints wrote in a blog post that his company was dropping avon which the anti-defamation league tied to the rise of online extremism after gunman gunman in christ's church new zealand powei california also use the site so basically you've got three of this year's gunman. <hes> you know the most recent ones some of the most recent shootings in on the planet used h. and <hes> did they use it to plan their attacks no but they hung out there basically and it's kind of like a an online message board where anybody can go and it's an essentially it's un moderated or very very or near unmotivated. There's very little that will get you dropped off of h._s._e._n. As far as if you're a user of the site and that's you know was the the purpose of the site. That's the reason why it was it was put up in the first place was to give people who are not wanted in any other online community a place. They could call their own where everybody knows your. Hey so it's it's like the kind of the dregs of the internet basically it's where people who are complete pariahs wherever it is they've come from. We'll hang out. At least that's as i understand it. That's the way it's been explained over the last few days and so now aw cloudflare's dropping them quote the rationale is simple. They have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths said prince. It's getting the cloud cloud chair c._e._o. Of the decision he said further quote even if eight chan may not have violated the letter of the law and refusing to moderate their hate filled community they have have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit and it's true or at least if somebody's on your message for them in their cheering on mass murderer well. That's not illegal at least in the united states. It's it's not illegal to cheer. Iran somebody committing a crime. It's tacky. It's distasteful but they they kinda can get you because they can say conspiracy. If someone does does get murdered and you encouraged it. I am pretty sure that they can charge you. As some kind of a complacency crime well roundabout roundabout way. I mean they can certainly charge you with whatever it is. They want to charge. I have at least seen it on law and order wants. Her and conspiracy is a pretty nebulous kind of charge. That in my opinion probably shouldn't exist at all <hes> but you're right. I mean they can. They can definitely charge anybody. They want with anything but if you're just if you're just excited by i know watching people's demise. That's not the same thing as conspiring to make it happen. If somebody posts a post that you you know that rebels in somebody's death that doesn't necessarily mean they're plotting the next killing so i think they would have to. I think they would have a tough time. In getting those is charges to stick but that's not to say drag you through the mud along the way while the quote judicial system figures it out sure well also it will be hard to figure out who the users are because eight chan is not hosted inside the united states as i understand ended at least from what i understand. The founder is based in the philippines is a former american military guy who's based in the philippines and so i presume that means he's soon probably smart enough to not actually host the site inside the united states so the federal government would have a limited access as far as trying to get information asian out of the site like oh well who's user number one four seven nine because they're all anonymous right like there's no <hes> there aren't any accounts as i understand it with these with these sites and if they are then they you know they don't require any identification or or real names or anything like that so in order for the government to get i._p. Address information about users of the site they would have to somehow subpoena <hes> the site's owner but he's in the philippines. So how do you subpoena somebody. That doesn't live vinh side. The united states jurisdiction privacy pretty hard. Yeah the message boards suffered intermittent out <hes> intermittent outages on monday morning after cloudflare cut it services services and right now i am unable to reach eight c h dot net so they are still down the message board <hes> on monday volatility facility and other internet services company company said it would cease working with eight chen silly band their host epic from its platform effectively cutting off other hate sites that also also use epochs services and i don't know what bucks silly does but they're cutting them off in a el. Paso investigators are reasonably confident. The suspect in the shooting patrick crusius posted the anti immigrant screed on the site shortly before the shooting which we did read most of it here on the air <hes> we read the first basically basically three pages of <hes> the four page long manifesto and essentially in the in that manifesto he made it pretty clear that he is a in total arch statist who has embraced some of the worst from the right and some of the worst from the left <hes> combined together into a total status platform of murder. The toll free number here is eight fifty four fifty free. That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three. We got more on the way air plus davis questioning reality itself when it comes to the shootings we'll get into it's on the way critics agree and the lost city of goal is the family film you've been searching for. It's packed with action full of surprises and will knock your boots off a lifetime door. 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If you need to help me take bitcoin dot com we go to your calls and thoughts more on the shootings dave's got himself with conspiracy theory or at least he's questioning things will get into it but a different dave is on the line. This one's in colorado arado dave. You're on free talk live. Lou dave in colorado vetoes in new hampshire have we. I hear you now. What now i'll say again. We we have not talked yet about all these these vetoes enhancer every i mean i don't know about all of these vetoes <hes> <hes> so i mean i know that the governor in new hampshire did veto the <hes> death penalty repeal and luckily the statehouse overturned overturned that veto so that's one of the more noteworthy ones what were some of the ones you wanted to mention. It's actually the aggregate. It's interesting. I guess the answer liberty alliance is reporting that he's already vetoed forty four or forty bill this year or maybe the session and he's expected to veto more well. That's great news. I think i mean i generally i support not passing laws so if he's going to veto bunch of then good gridlock block so is there anything in particular i mean i expect that he's going to be vetoing the anti gun legislation that the democrats have passed yup. It looks like he's vetoing a lot of that and the the apparently veto there was an attempt at passing a <hes> a tax on wages. There's never been one in. You have an income tax <hes> he <hes>. I think though that i think that's going to go down in flames as i understand i guess in n._h._t._s._a. According to actually the number is up to forty four and it's the record like he better record for the number of biko's in the state that never ever happened in in in one either in one session in one year. I'm not sure which do now and anything else dave <hes> <hes> i can't remember what is thanks for the call tonight. Appreciate ridley from ridley report dot com. He's always following things pretty closely as far as what's going on here in new hampshire and i'm grateful that there are people out there like him. <hes> that are doing that because it's hard to keep track of everything. It's hard to keep track of you just a little bit. I didn't even realize that was dave ridley. Yep i was in every now and then he goes out to visit family and co colorado. Which is why he was con- colorado tom so so if you want to join us here the toll free number is fifty five four fifty free. That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three. It's e._s._p._n. Silver dave here in the studio. We can talk more about the <hes> the most recent slaughters <hes> that have occurred well. You know it's speaking of shootings eatings. I wanna take a moment here and just quickly talk about gun control and just say like aim at your target. If you're looking for more gun control maybe i could suggest using two hands. That's a good idea and also something a little about to kill. Don't pull the trigger you wanna wanna squeeze slowly slowly. You wanna squeeze you want to just let that hammer fall and you don't really wanna pull them at jerks the gun and turn and mr target good gun control. You really wanna hit. You really wanna hit your target and how good consistency and that's why gun control is really important and people say well you know. How do you feel about getting control. I say i really an advocate for really really tight gun. Control you know control point kind of impact really close together should look like one whole five target should look like a bunch of rounds. It should look like just one home but all joking aside in. I'm not so sure that i believe that these shootings are what they purport to be all right. I wanna know what you mean by that because as we had somebody call in you know drag out the old claim of oh. It's a fake shooting. It didn't really happen sandy. The hook is fake ridiculous conspiracy theory. That is just seems insane. Now hold on hold on now. Is that what you're you're saying here now exactly okay. Here's the thing wise man knows. He knows very little fair enough all right so i'm not trying to say that i know anything in fact i could only say that. I know that i don't know however i am skeptical cole that the story is not exactly as it's reported in the mainstream. That's probably true. I mean the mainstream media screws up a lot of stuff whenever never knew any report on anything. It's guaranteed to be mistakes but that's just kind of humans. This guy so owned by some very powerful entities is that i believe control a lot and they have <hes> they have goals intentions and so you know i'm really i'm in question of you know like an and if you're out there listening i'd be interested to hear you know you should call us and tell us what you think if you you have a theory but i'm really wondering if these shootings are somehow concocted and what i mean is not that they didn't happen or that. Bullets weren't necessarily fired. I'm not saying they were either. I'm really not sure and not to say that people weren't killed or work. I don't know but i feel like there's an agenda to disarm americans. I really think that this agenda exist and i think governments are always trying to do that and you. You know i feel like historically when people have been disarmed the things that follow are usually really bad sure and like like nazi germany germany yeah and you know in fact just kind of tell a little story you know since we're just here about my grandfather and his <music> sisters my aunt am so my grandfather was polish and the nazis came came in and they were they were killing any i come from a jewish family too so most of his brothers and sisters were killed and so i have his memoirs he wrote wrote him and my grandmother wrote about all the things that happened to them as a side note that something actually wanna have published someday but so my aunt and she lived to be one hundred and two to she had no toes and the story of her toes is that she was being marched by the nazis as a death march that they're being a so we'll continue the rest of the story here of what happened to your your your toes on the way here eight fifty five four fifty free. 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You can use code f. t. l. get a free talk. Live listener badge on your user profile. That's liberty dot menu. It's silver dave in the studio here tonight conservative. You were telling us a story about your aunt. That's right my aunt and who was in nazi germany she will she was polish. Jewish so's my grandfather and you know they were polish and the nazis invaded poland they were looking for the jews and so they captured my aunt and her sister and her sister's baby so anyway go on and talk a little about what happens when you get disarmed and what the government usually does to people people after they disarm them and why they disarm people in my opinion <hes> so that they can make it easier to do these kinds of things well so my aunt and her sister and her sister's sister's baby are being death marched to a concentration camp in the nazis are marching them. It's the wintertime and they had makeshift shoes is because the nazis took the shoes valuable shoes. They took your shoes. They took things that you have is your jewelry. Once you got the death camps they would send you the dentist list and they would check to see if you had any gold billings though because they'd rip them out of your mouth and in a lotta cases. They weren't like surgical about it they did. I'm the fast and you no pair of pliers. Yeah the fast and comical way making you imagine this you know to you or your family. It's brutal anyway so my aunt and there are marching thing and it's the wintertime and so her sister. I figured her sister's name but had a baby and the baby was crying and the baby kept crying. The nazis rockies were really annoyed by this and she's carrying a baby and she was going slow so when they got frustrated they took the baby they put the baby on the ground and they just shot the baby right in the ahead right in front of the mother while and so now the mother was you know she was broken hearted and now she was not marching and and she's going slow and so now they got frustrated with her and they shot her in the head right in front of my aunt and and and so my aunt and she ended up living one hundred and two well well she of course she was pretty broken hearted to to watch her sister and her sister's little baby be killed old by these guys they stopped one night to sort of stop and rest and she people slept in whatever they could and she fell asleep in some pile of hey well somehow the nazis went off and they started marching again in the morning and they didn't realize she was with them <hes> she had fallen asleep and she hadn't woke up well sometime in the morning. Some local family found her in the hey and she he was you know barely alive and so they brought her in their house to fr frozen right and so they took care of her and they called a local doctor and they didn't tell anyone on that they had found her right and they assume she was obviously jewish. Well she ended up surviving but she lost all of her toes from frostbite because she didn't have shushi you. She has socks in some kind of makeshift footwear. Why am i talking about this well. I'm talking about this because if in in my opinion opinion if these folks had firearms would have been a lot harder to tell them you're gonna walk and it would have been a lot harder to capture them in so armed armed. People are a lot harder to capture and with the nazis before they started exterminating the jews they disarmed the jews and it's not the only time in history. If you look at isn't it true i mean i'm not disagreeing with you here at all. I read that it's good to have people in a population have the freedom to bear arms for some of the reasons you're specifying so they can resist <hes> tyrannical government. There's no doubt about that. I mean that would be arguably. One of the main reasons why the second second amendment exists in the bill of rights as the founding fathers acknowledged that <hes> but isn't it true and i got it. You know admit i'm not a student of history story here but i had heard that many of at the very least the german jews turn themselves in had they even if they'd had because they didn't know they were going the death camps at that point in time that didn't come out until much later <hes> so. I don't know where they thought they were going to go <hes> but they were like you no doing their good citizen. Lead duty go report where they were told to report like into the inner cities. What i that's a great point. That's a great point but here's the thing it just like you. It's difficult to predict the future and sometimes you guys show up and they say you know. Turn yourself in or that. Punishment will be worse if you you don't turn yourself in and so they thought that if they didn't turn themselves it would be worth. It would be killed so they said okay well. We better turn ourselves in because they're gonna you know they're just going to do something something but they probably didn't realize they were gonna be digging their own graves no i don't i don't think they did but that's the point it's it's a two fold thing that you need. Hey dave you need not only the right to bear arms but you also need to have the will to resist because if you just do what you're told then you'll turn ernest guns when they say turning the guns i agree if you do what you're told then you'll jump through all the hoops that they tell you to jump through including the hoops to your own demise eventually eventually even though you don't realize it so at some point people have to say no. We're not gonna do that. No we're not gonna participate like in new zealand where they only had a very very small portion of the gun owners this year turn in their guns when the new zealand government was demanding that people turning in guns there were a ton of gun owners who did not show up who did not turn in their guns. Same thing was true in connecticut <hes> when they they did some gun confiscations there within within the last couple of years after the sandy hook thing where they changed the laws and they wanted everybody to come down and register their guns. Well bunch of people didn't and so that's that's the important that to me. That's that's the most important part like even if you didn't have guns and all you had was the the will to resist. You'd still do better than the people who just turned themselves into the goons. I agree. I agree with you. In fact i would agree with you even more to say that the resistance is probably even more valuable than the guns because the resistance you know you can create weapons to see you probably heard about things like nunchucks and staffs and things like that and that stuff came from like old farmers learned learned that they didn't have weapons like guns and things like that but they needed to defend themselves and so they practice using like garden tools as weapons happens because they were not they wouldn't str- the you know the powers that be would not strip them of their garden tools so they practice using like sickle and things it is weapons which is a really valuable point that you know those things can make very good weapons and even firearms are really not that useful for defense in crowded areas so like a lot of people talk about you know gyn odors well. If there's a shooter in a public crowded place another shooter her trying to neutralize that person may create additional collateral damage your piece. It's tough to shoot the guy without shooting the people in the backdrop dangerous so so yeah so guns aren't always the best weapon but having the resistance and being armed sure does help to be armed and hotel and other people in the second. It'll give awesome to think about right like if your resistance if your population is willing to refuse to obey is also armed. That's gonna make things way more difficult on whatever occupying force we're talking talking about. Whether it be your local state government or the federal government or some foreign occupying force they definitely don't wanna go up against somebody who's armed. There's no doubt about it <hes> <hes> on the other end and by the same token if the people are not being do not doing what they're told to. They're not jumping through the hoops. It's really that screws their entire plan up because even though we know this government isn't voluntary in that they won't let you off out so we know they're not voluntary but we know oh that to some extent if people didn't just go along to get along it would be near impossible for the government to achieve whatever goal at it has set out for itself we can continue you can share your thoughts with us here. This is free talk live when it comes to investing in innovation trust the experts robo global provides laser focused investment been portfolios that deliver access to robotics a._i. 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We're talking about obedience and <hes> being armed and these are the two most important i think two of the most important important factors as to whether or not you're going to be ruled and to what extent you will be ruled. It's e._s._p._n. Silver dave in studio here tonight and i do want to say okay thank you to new hor who is a free talk live silver amplifier that means that the horror is contributing took five dollars per month to the amp program. 'em stands for advertise market and promote and you can join the program over it amp dot freetalklive dot com. It's a way for you to get behind what we do here to show that you appreciate free. Talk live the fact that we're on all seven nights a week that we are live across an entire week over two hundred radio stations coast to coast and beyond we're talking about the ideas of freedom and peace liberty and crypto currency every single night here on free talk live so if that's let's valuable to you. 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It's only you know income tax and property tax fifty percent but back to the point. You could keep all your money. You could do what you want you could live. You'd love you'd live your life and we can have it tomorrow tomorrow. Real freedom if everyone and we we didn't even everyone just need like even just like ten percent with russia twenty percent just just like a tanzer or two tenths of the people if we were all. I'm just gonna say you know what we're going to say. No we're really gonna mean. It and we stood up for each other tomorrow. We'd have freedom. We can have it. It's so close. It's just so easy. If we just we just said no. Is it easy or is it simple because there's a difference yes right yes so simple -sarily easy and the reason why it's not easy as because because everybody's afraid of going i you know if i go first then they're gonna cut my head off and put it on a spike so people know to not say no and they're going to punish punish you if you say no and that's a great point and that brings me to confidence that it would really work if for example you knew that when you said no you oh you knew that your guy to your left your right we're going to say no. Also you knew that it was really gonna work. You do it right if you knew they would yeah but people don't want to do it because they feel like it's not gonna work and they're just going to be the guy that says no and then they're going to get hung up going to get put in jail so no one wants to do it because they don't have the confidence that we could really resist and really stop the tyrannical of prussian that is and that is a major major problem and it makes me think of i hate. I use this example of facebook meme but just a few days ago you know i'm looking at facebook and a mean goes by from this like sort of you. Liberty minded guy posts any says you know it's like a little cartoon drawing and it says who here loves their children and it shows all these people raising their hand and then the next picture says who here will disobey laws that harm their children and everyone bows their head in shame and they have their hands down now because even things that will harm their children that they quote love. They're scared of the system and i'm not saying that i'm not. I'm not saying that they're bad. It is scary. It does kill people these this. Anna does take children from families to take children away it murders people it tortures people's people's while you'll see a lot of activist basically drop off the radar soon as they have children because then all of a sudden there's more risk involved or at least they feel like their the child is at risk and they're like well. I love activism but i don't wanna rock the boat and have the department of children of families. Come take my kid from me so then they just don't don't do anything or they stay completely behind the scenes and are you know not as impactful as they could be but you know it's. It's just frustrating trading day because there is risk involved. If you want to achieve freedom you do have to put something on the line you know freedom eight free like they say and <hes> and that's because there are a bunch of people out there that don't want you to be free and they're going to fight tooth and nail. They're not just going to you know tomorrow loro. If if twenty-five percent people as you suggested refused whatever government demands came at them whether it be you know a court order or a business license or whatever it is we're talking about if twenty five percent of them refused well. There's still a bunch of people around who might turn them in <hes> you you know because you can't trust all your neighbors to not be our status who are aligned with the government's elements want and they'll definitely turn you into save as their own hide out but that's where you know just thinking about this. This is really interesting subject to me because like many people. I really liked the idea of freedom. A lot of people have a misconception of what freedom is they feel like. Freedom is voluntarily agreeing to be oppressed. They say that in a way but i think rudy giuliani said obediences freedom he said yeah but so thinking about these numbers instead of having you know ten or twenty five percent because that takes a lot of course to get that many people to oh terrific disobey. I feel like the numbers could be a lot smaller if people are geographically centralised yeah well. It's hard to get people to pick up their lives and move. I mean that's true. It's been a real challenge to get even libertarians who purportedly care about freedom to pick up and migrate here to new hampshire sure you and i have to and i was i was in the army and i had gone to a lot of different countries and a a lot of different places and i would just watch the most ridiculous things the government was doing and i realized that i just couldn't do it anymore. So i had to say. I'm not going to do this job anymore had to walk away from fr- from that had built up in a military career and i came to new hampshire because i heard about this free state project and there was this movement going on there and i i thought that everyone was like in one place like super village of lake liberty but the problem with everyone is split up and all these different places and so you kinda got there and it was like like the same as every other place you know except that you know speckled all around right so i have this idea in my mind that if you could get people to come to you you know more of a centralized place where there was people that were really into liberty and they were talking about someplace smaller than new hampshire. You mean like tower neighborhood. That's right because here's the thing if you for example a neighborhood or a town towns of greatest aides because at town is big enough that if they like firebombed the whole town. It'd be hard to cover that up right on the other hand. It's small enough that you could actually actually fill a town like liberty minded people and i mean like i just speculate that if you could get one town with a keen or some town where you could get you know the majority of people to come to town and really mean like i mean individual liberty. I mean like everything is voluntary and they would come from there and they would say no and they really meant it in a really stood up for each other. I feel like that would really build momentum. I think it could though there was something years ago. Oh like fifteen years ago toward the very beginning of the free state project. Somebody cooked up the idea of the freetown project. Have you ever heard of this. No okay so it <hes> they chose grafton as the the destination. That's a little town here in not quite to the north country but northern moved to grafton central police their vote but then chief. I think that's all they got though may but it was very limited yeah didn't they didn't have the infrastructure picture. That was the problem. I thought the internet yet. It was like no internet buildings. Build your own tool. Shed like you lived in my well. That's part of the tradeoff of course in the places places where there's very little. There's very little government in the places where there's a lot built up. There tends to be more government around <hes> but anyway what happened with the freetown on project concept was it didn't pan out the the people who were the primary organizers of it were too loud and obnoxious about what they had planned to do so they made like a big deal about the freetown project and guess what the townspeople found out about it and there was a major pushback by i many of the people who lived in the town. They felt like they were going to be infiltrated. They felt like they were going to be invaded by the free towners. There's more coming up here. 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It's ian silver dave dave you and i were talking about concentrating trading activism in one place <hes> obviously we know that the the migration to new hampshire has been going on for libertarians for now well all over a decade and a half at this point and it has been arguably successful. I will argue that it has been a success because there have been n- just a number of countless successful libertarian activism whether it be people getting elected office or civil disobedience that had a an effect that reve reverberated outside of new hampshire like the the old fort twenties that happened here in keene. That's almost a decade decade ago now. <hes> so there's there's been so many examples of just wonderful successes. We've most recently become <hes> crypto mecca here keen and also in portsmouth. We've got two very heavy crypto accepting cities and that's all because of the concentration of activism in these places but as you pointed out it's still spread out like across new hampshire. There's a few thousand. I think i heard that the free state project now counts four thousand as the number of people who have moved here of course they don't keep a close track of the number of people who've left so you know maybe a thousand or two of them have left over the last decade. I don't know <hes> it's hard to really say. A number of people have left. I can think of dozens just from this area alone definitely <hes> who are no longer with us and i know that they leave from from other areas of of new hampshire to but i would say that despite you know all of the the difficulties that we've seen we've had tremendous success especially when compared due to the rest of the libertarian movement just in general i mean the new hampshire successes have overwhelmed. I would say the other forty nine states combined <hes> over the last forty years. Even if you just look alone at political successes we've had far more so from that perspective. It's a win. Does that mean that the government has reversed direction shen no no it. Hasn't i mean the thing is that i agree with you that there has been some success in new hampshire and more so in new hampshire than other other places. I can think of right now that necessarily no because i'm not in other places or there may be some niche group somewhere that's really hardcore but the the reason we got on this subject i think was we were talking about the shootings and the reason that i want to connect these things is that i'm not sure sure how but i think that these shootings are awfully convenient for the powers that be one disarm people and i feel like they are becoming coming more successful because now they're getting people to cry out to disarm themselves. You know like <hes> they didn't do a shooting but somehow the people who didn't do anything wrong. Long are the ones that are being potentially disarmed and the reason this whole thing. Is that the longer that people wait eight to actually resist the harder it will become and i feel like it's true. When should we do it like when everyone's everyone's disarmed is that we're going to be like okay well now that we have even less ability to resist is that we will resist and i realize it's hard but are we going to do it. Are we going to resist these guys. Are we're gonna just let them take it to new levels is gonna become like the matrix where eventually everyone's just going to be in a pod odd producing energy for the system being plugged into their mind some false reality yeah. It's not going to a good place. I mean that's for sure whatever it is. They've got planned is not going to be good. It's not going to be freedom and we're not going in a more free direction nationwide or even worldwide but i do agree with you that if you concentrate enough people in one place who are not only willing to do something but also willing to refuse to do what they're told then you can bring the system to basically a grinding halt. I mean we almost single handedly stopped the issuance of parking tickets here in keene new hampshire <hes> in about a one year timeframe frame with a what was called robin hood of keen where it only was maybe a handful of activists maybe five to eight activists who are sort of coordinated by one activist who kind of set a schedule and and kind of sort of managerial or organizational <hes> component of the thing and said all right well garrett you go out from nine a._m. To one p._m. And then mariah you can go out from one to five and will cover every single day of the week and and <hes> we'll stop parking tickets from being written and we basically shut down a good portion of their ability to write parking tickets with just a a a dedicated crew. Who've like half a dozen so there's a lot that can be done but it takes time it takes effort. It takes dedicated to this. This and i don't know if we could pull that off these days because well nowadays everybody's working. They got a job. They're more productive so they don't have a few hours a day that they can go out and and do the the robin hood and stop tickets from being written but that's where having more people can come into handy where if you had more than a a half dozen if instead you had sixty or six hundred or something like that instead of just six yeah then you can a lot more becomes possible but as one of our chat room participants pointed out here who was involved in the original freetown project founding you can't heard cats very effectively yeah and challenged n._j._i._t. The child's because of the people that were looking for people who don't want to be lead but we want to lead them to not being led. You know it's it's very very difficult yeah well. If you can get enough libertarians to migrate somewhere i think they're going to have an impact just because they're going to be people's lives more often so even those who are coming at it from the perspective of not wanting to be out visibly and doing visible activism like you know it's not right for everybody to go out and do the four twenty s celebrations not everybody's into it first and foremost and secondly not everybody is willing to take that kind of a risk and do civil disobedience but having those people people being in the community working at jobs going to church or whatever <hes> sewing clubs or whatever it is you know social activities that people do go to the the comic bookstore game nights or whatever you know like the things that people do they're going to mix with more libertarians in if there's more libertarians living in the area and and the the more people can encounter a libertarian in their life the more seriously they're gonna take the ideas because if it's just one libertarian that they know they've only seen them on the side of the road road waving assign or something but instead they actually know some from work and they know some from school and they know some from you fill in the blank and they're seeing them on the roads and they're seeing seeing them in the media and they're seeing run. You know running for office. That's where you can have an effect on people because if you can't get the average people on board it's going to be hard to get to ten or twenty percent just by simply bringing people in from the outside that's hard and i think that even powers that be would sabotage such sure movement like that by making it look bad by inserting different types of situations to make it look like for example if you try if you were. Let's even pretend end that somehow successful to get a thousand people to move to and i feel like a thousand people in one geographical location that were living together town. Let's say for people in new york city and going to new york city i'm talking about. Let's say for example hanukkah. Get the panicker and let's say a thousand people move to hanukkah and i think probably got a few thousand people that live there. Maybe they're like five thousand people or something something. If a thousand people move to hanker but they moved in till i seem streets and neighborhoods where they took up you know one quarter of the town but they he lived outside of town will like none of them are like we're not paying taxes. We're not gonna agree to your stuff and if you want to like calm here and like come and kill us all of us to to force us to do stuff you could do that and you you know it'll be hard to hide that <hes> and it would be really hard for these guys to like come because even if they drop bombs on them it'd be hard because even the arrested hannah kirby lake. Oh my god they bombed those guys. Maybe maybe he's guys really. Aren't you know maybe this this government really isn't about the freedom that they purport to wasn't there a movement <hes> the project in philly that got bombed in the senate and that's one of the things i think about like there's there's waco texas which i know they make those guys look like wackos at waco but i don't i don't know all the details but i think that they just wanted to live free and a bird them to death yet horrifying but they only had a few hundred people. They needed eight hundred more. We <hes> do need to get more. Liberty minded folks to migrate here and they don't have to come to the same town but it's certainly wouldn't hurt to have a concentration <hes>. We got more coming up here. If you wanna weigh in you're welcome to join us at eight fifty five four fifty free. That's eight five five four five zero. Three seven three three can take control of the airwaves here. This is free talk. Live curb appeal. 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Linked to the old freetown project website <hes> silver davis a few if you wanna go check out and see what the the old pitch for the freetown project twas you can do that as he points out they basically were professional professional level trolls who were just too good at trolling and basically cleaned up the movement never really never really panned out because there was such a large push back in the town of grafton new hampshire which was where they had chosen as as their destination for the freetown project. He said that he thought free keene was a much more successful sort of freetown project but free keene was never actually overtly pitched as just hey come takeover keen because that wouldn't have been possible qian's a town of twenty three thousand people and it would be ridiculous. I think that you could bring the numbers of people in here that you would need actually take it over whereas in a small town they actually thought they would have a chance at doing that but what ended up happening was. They were so loud and obnoxious about what they wanted to do. They stirred up the hornet's nest if you will and got a bunch of people in the town who hadn't been that active to all of a sudden get active against the free freetown project so there's no easy solution here but either way any way you slice it. Having greater numbers in a concentrated area makes all the difference in the world and that reminds me. Actually i net to say that we've got a incredibly good piece of news about another arch statist hater who is now leaving thing new hampshire. Have you ever heard of susan the bruce. I expect you that you had susan. The bruce is or was still is. She is a hater of freedom. She hates libertarians. She is an active blogger so she has her own blog. That's called susan the bruce and <hes> she was one of the most i would say visible of those people people who opposed libertarians right so like there's people who don't like libertarians but you don't know who they are and then there's the people who make a big to do about not liking libertarians then put it on their blog site. Susan was one of the few people over the years who was a relatively consistent critic. Somebody who paid attention somebody who <hes> <hes> wrote frequently about what free staters were up to. I was a target by her a number of times on on her blog but she would target a lot of what was going on in the state house <hes> she she also hates republicans as well. She's she's a lefty and she's she announced on her blog recently that she is moving to maine so so now the people of maine we'll have to deal with susan the bruce and this one of the most visible and i would say well spoken. I mean she's not dumb woman like she's as you know she was good at writing and she was apparently sharpen her her criticisms but she gave up and she decided she's going to move east and and go to main enjoy yeah rain taker yeah. I love it when this news when this news happens because susan the bruce wasn't the first one to go either <hes> there was another one that used to to write for a website called counterpunch and forgetting what her name was off the top of my head she used to live out in the town where mark lived and <hes> she wrote articles for this nash you know sort of international website called counterpunch that were very anti free state the project. She moved out several years ago. She sold her house in chester county area and she moved out of the state and so now we got another one who is moving out of the state and i feel like these are real successes for us because if you can if you can have enough success with your our political migration which is what we're doing here right. We've got libertarians migrating to new hampshire and getting active so we can hopefully achieve more freedom in our lifetime and you're so frustrating to the other side to the status opposition. You're so frustrating to them that they quit being state representatives that they quit being active in politics altogether together and even better leave the state. Entirely i mean that is something that we should be celebrating and cheering about because it's great news i mean susan the bruce one of the most visible anti freedom bloggers in new hampshire is gone and she's not the first one to ago. We've had haters here in the keene area. Who a year or so ago. They left town to the worst haters in keene from what i've heard they've moved out of new <unk> hampshire. Entirely there was the guy who attacked sam dodson years ago with coffee cup on the streets of keen. It was ridiculous. <hes> <hes> i mean it's ridiculous to even call it an attack but it was technically an assault. He liked touched him in the face with his coffee cup. He didn't spill coffee on him. He just kinda had this empty coffee cup with that said like free keene from the free qian's freakiness or something like that written like scrawled on it and the dude was a downtown business owner who who was just completely irrational in his hatred <hes> for the free staters here he's gone. He moved to los angeles sold his business <hes> his daughter who is almost as bad as he was also moved out. She moved down to d._c. So it's it's almost all of the most visible loudest haters have just packed it up and said we're going. We're because i mean if you were total status and you were in new hampshire and you were. We're hoping to make some headway and then all of a sudden you start coming up against these damn libertarians who are getting elected who are stopping your legislation from <hes> from getting through like. How many times are you going to keep going. How many more times are you gonna keep bashing your head up against the libertarian apparatus here and have no success or very very little success. Would you could just leave and you could go somewhere like new york or you could go somewhere like california or some other arch status kind of not freedom friendly place and you can have all the freedom crushing legislation that you all that you wanted in new hampshire. It's already been passed in these other places. You want gun. Control head gone out to new york or california there. It is all the gun control you could possibly want. I don't know how people can have this kind of mindset where they want to be limited where where they want to have their own freedom is limited. Please in slave me more. Please limit my freedom more. I can't get enough this. How can people think this way really amazed at about them. Wanting to be enslaved or is it about them wanting other people to be slave at point <hes> the toll free number here. If you wanna join us eight fifty five four hundred fifty free so sinar s. susan the bruce and whatever or other haters are out there. I'm sure you're going to go and the more libertarians that move here the more difficult their lives become. It's free talk live. I'm a little obsessed with my magic mud several years ago i met jessica armand the founder and c._e._o. Of my magic bud and i don't even know my teeth were coffee stained a week's worth of use convinced me and now i use it every three or four days. It's clinically proven to whiten and teeth and i think it cleans better to my magic. 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This one has been a success not only for the reasons that i initially stated of the political success stories people actually getting elected and all the great great things that <hes> that has brought about the civil disobedience as well some of the other activism the outreach. Here's been pretty unprecedented the cop blocking this is the home of cop. Hop block is right here in our little keene new hampshire. It's silver day by the way with us but the other side of that success stories driving away the bad guys is driving away the status the arch status who believe in government control and government obedience and bigger taxes and more government programs people like susan susan bruce who was a long time <hes> blogger here in new hampshire she recently in her most recent blog post announced. She is leaving. She's moving to maine and she's not the first nor will she be the last of the opposition to just throw it in pack it up. Throw the towel in college today a and get the new hampshire and i love it. I love it when that happens because i see it as a an amazing success story when that happens because you're basically siklie losing like some of the most visible opponents right like yeah. There's your average run of the mill status out there but we don't know who they are. They don't the have blogs. They don't you know write letters to the editor. When the people who are the visible doers the so-called thought leaders in the media decided to high tail tale it out of new hampshire. We ought to celebrate that. I think that's great news which makes me wonder if you had the thousand people that move to one concentrated area uh-huh like a town. You mean like a town. Maybe a lot of other people would move away yeah then maybe this changes this sort of ratio that you picture you know how many would it take can't calculate for how many people would leave and then having other people. Most people don't really stand for anything in my opinion. Most people just go along to get along and not really have ethics or value to just go to work right and go home and they watch t._v. Until they go to bed and they wake up in the morning. Just wanna take care of their family and live their life. You know yeah that's what they wanna do and that's fine and that's probably the larger percentage of people absolutely so they'll just go along with whatever the whatever the doers whatever the people who are sort of louder metaphorically speaking do so i guess if the louder liberty people you know if the people came in and and they were liberty oriented in day sort of took over and allowed anti liberty people moved then the sort of you know like just go along with whatever people would just go on with the liberty that's correct. I think you're absolutely right about that silver. Dave i think that also you would see people who are sort of the group. You're talking about sort of the majority. I would say they're probably the majority of people a lot of them. Don't vote. They just don't care. They're you just live their life and they're trying to ignore. The government tried to just do whatever they gotta do to get by. <hes> i think those people would do exactly what you're talking about and then there will be others who who you maybe would be a little more active. They might have been with the republicans who the democrats or something like that but as they perceived that libertarianism was becoming more popular miller some of them might switch sides and they might they might say things like oh yeah i always agreed with you guys even though they never really actually anything until of course yeah and then and then of course we'll also get the the later movers the ones that didn't want to actually start anything or join early but they'll see that we've had all the success and then you know the let's calm the lazier libertarians will pick up ten years later and oh okay. You guys finally got legal marijuana. Oh you finally you know whatever like they're like. They're people that show up once. There's like like a nice appetizer out like oh. We heard all this you know. They didn't want to do the work but they wanted to receive the benefits and they you know that's that's okay okay. Gotcha okay hopefully we can. We can persuade more people to move sooner rather than later but it's a hard task getting people to pick up their lives and migrate for freedom. Let alone you know saying hey come to one specific town because it's hard to to advocate that because you know a lot of people need a job they <hes> they don't have their own business so they can't just move to hannah ker right because he probably doesn't have a whole lot of jobs available so it would make more sense. If you're like a a self mover right like you had your own business. You could just kind of live wherever you wanted to. That would be food yeah so you don't like and that's a lot of it too is is that this system is designed so that you have to work because you have to buy food pay property tax. You pay property taxes. You got to pay these fees fees to live. You can't just live which to me is clear indication that there is not freedom lights right like who are these guys. Here's what i've always wondered wondered. I was a little kid. I always wondered you buy your property from one person well. They bought it from someone else. Well who's the first guy who just claimed that they owned everything you know like whoever conquer the indians yes yeah so like i feel like i'm not really some a-hole the king or something like that so like where did it all start. You know like whatever happened to the idea that the earth is home for all the animals and all the people to share you. I bet j that your roommate knows a good history unlike like where property came from because i think he's done a lot of research on that topic. I bet if you asked jane are wednesday night co. Let's bring a bad slave on the line here. He's he's. He's on our discord server. Good bad slave well. Thank you yeah. I assume grosses if the road is adler ed wheeler isn't that great news and you know it was so annoying i you know i interacted directly with her a couple of times really you met her in real life well. It was over the web of antenna and you yeah no the <hes> you forget may be to mention that there was big funding for oppose these progressives to <hes> out try to interfere with f. s. t. and and does a probably susana bruce was getting something. We know what's our three name. Thank one never had those meet ups that we invaded. I know you're talking about there. Was this progressive group that you used to. They used to come out with like exposes on who all the free staters were that were running for office but they didn't do it in two thousand eighteen for some reason. I don't know what happened. Well you know they say. I just realized that were or not the evil empire or then. We're not going away. Nobody really getting excited about it. Liberties not a bad idea right they a lot of times when they tried to do hit pieces on candidates candidates it ended up being a benefit to the candidates because they would they would spend a bunch of money trying to out their political candidates like so-and-so it was against taxes so and so is against government schools or whatever they come up with this list of things that were all true and they tame a bunch of times getting. There's no such thing as bad publicity. You know. There's a basis of of new hampshire sure residents that have been here for a long time then agree with the liberty perspective that's right right and and so so they were having a terrible time getting traction that's why they leave and and they'll always sleep because it's uncomfortable here for us for them for now now and we're we're happy to have them. I mean we you know we <hes> we want them to be around. We want to talk to them. We want to are you know. Ask them questions questions. It's great you know. 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There's here's in my thank you progressive casualty insurance company. It's discounts on available in all states or situations. It's free talk live in you can bring up whatever you want so you have to do is dial the toll free number <hes> which is a fifty five four fifty free. We've gotten onto one of my favorite topics and dave you brought us into this discussion about freedom lovers coming to one geographic area together now. You're being a little more specific regarding the destination. You're saying maybe maybe they should move to a town rather than all to one st now of course. I think that we need to see both of those things happen. I think that <hes> we need to have the free state. Project object concept of people moving to new hampshire because it is still relatively small state with a low population gives people more options to where they can move so if you i need to move to a bigger city or something like that or need to be close to boston. 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That's f. t. l. twenty like free. Talk live f. t. l. twenty for twenty percent off at my magic mud dot com as we go back to bad slave commenting on the original idea of the freetown project now dave. You've just came up with the idea again here but it's been you know fifteen or so years. Maybe even twenty years not quite twenty years. I guess probably like eighteen years since <hes> somebody somebody originally cooked this idea up and they chose grafton as the town. Things didn't quite work out the way they intended your thoughts on that bad slave. Well you know we actually had already living there that libertarian candidate for governor for i think for years <hes> or or not app for years for terms and the of course he never got close to being elected <hes> but <hes> but but i you know there was a radio liberty contingent the living up there but but but i think the well there was paid a the opposition against even in this freetown project arrangement that there was that there was a troll and operated remotely way down in florida and then another guy that that showed up up here and and you know it it was it's not hard. <hes> you know you know a jerk to you. Know raise the hackles of the local town but you know by just you know putting out comments and and you know going around you know just being a total you control troll troll money read the <hes> the paragraph here that was one of the original pitches for the freetown project that says quote quote the freetown project intends to liberate either new hampshire town or western county by moving enough libertarians to control the local government and remove oppressive regulations such as planning inning in zoning and building code requirements and stop enforcement of laws prohibiting victimless acts among consenting adults such as dueling gambling incest price gouging cannibalism awesome and drug handling so they basically put some of the most offensive possible issues in this pitch for the freetown project. I mean there's no reason why cannibalism and incest need to be on the front page of any libertarian website anywhere anywhere you sure 'cause i mean it sounds like now. Let's the attitude right of these founders. I mean so how serious this guy was about this. I don't know some people did move to to grafton and it sort of became this sort of unofficial freetown retail project but it was that attitude of maximum trolling maximum rudeness or whatever you wanna call that that really created a lot of the pushback back by some of the the old town members right right and one of those we just lost or less two of them. We've lost john canal a the preacher of our our church <hes> missile assembly church and <hes> and and now more recently by the hall was a state rapa appa <hes> active state rep as he passed away train and but but we had even more more people moving up here serve they tend to be. I think a little lower key kind of rang and that we we need to kind kind of start gathering together to put our pieces together so there were you know not in battle with each other because it seems like that is occurring way too much up there and <hes> so i you know i'm still hopeful. I still have property up there and and and have an interest in waiting making go up there so i know you ever a year. We do hear about the town meeting 'cause they. That's how the towns are governed here. In new hampshire is the town writing format where people can just show up at this meeting hanging voters in the town they can actually weigh in on budgetary matters and actually vote things up and down and apparently they've been fairly contentious with a good libertarian chunk coming in there and really upsetting the old town. That's going yes so before we want. I wanna wanna get up the notice that the that the governor it i think is about to beat out three gun bills that need needs to be vetoed and i just talked to the <hes> you know a receptionist at the state house our earlier earlier today and had a really nice conversation with our ask her if she was an agreement with my my stance and she's ally i. I can't talk about it back then but then i got to talk to her and she said i really liked the way you'd show and was starting to realize webster. It was going up and and like i say these. These are going to be some of them. Steeple that are the long term you know hampshire residents that bad agree with liberty and there are a lot of those people up here is one of the reasons why new hampshire was <hes> chosen bet slave. Thanks for the call tonight. Appreciate hearing from you <hes> it's one of the reasons why new hampshire was chosen as the destination for the free state project is because of its so the live for your mentality that exists in many of the native said if that are from up here. Let's go to jeanne the christian anarchist. He's on the line also on our discord server. I presume calling from tennessee. Go ahead jeanne. Yes <hes> wanted to talk about something touched on in the past and that is <hes> a history and lies and what it is that we actually know. I kind of stumbled across the youtube clip. <hes> the video called. What if everything you ever taught was ally. If anybody wants to look that up it's pretty good going already <hes> yeah and i've used this in my arguments regarding the bible being <hes> infallible and other things of that nature but where i really wanna go with this is different belief systems people have different belief system. Some people believe there at this flat. Some people believe that all all those ca- contrails in the sky or chem trails. I know that both of those things are false <hes> in yet <hes> some of the people that i i have met or people that i've run across. They believe those things and i have to allow them to believe what they wanna believe because there nobody believes exactly the same thing. Nobody believes exactly what i believe and if we insist that other people believe exactly like we do then we're going to be beating our head against the wall all the time because you're never going to get everybody to leave exactly the way you do it. Use lucky not to get anybody to believe that my wife doesn't believe exactly like i do and and so you have to allow people they're different conclusions now. It doesn't mean you can't talk to them about it and discuss things like when i talked to flatter people say wire the days longer in alaska than they are in florida during the summertime. You know those kind of things that it kind of just looking to get the gears turning but the thing is we don't know what's true and what's not all we know is what's what we can observe sure and so many of the things that we've been taught in the past are absolute lies so we need to question everything yeah well. I agree with the questioning everything and if people wanna have beliefs that seem completely unfathomable and unsupportable that certainly their <hes> their prerogative. If you've got more gene you can standby. We'll continue your calls and thoughts are welcome in silver dave in the studio our threes next this is free. Talk live bitcoin. Dot com has launched a trading platform at local dot not bitcoin dot com allowing you to buy or sell bitcoin cash via dozens of payment methods like paypal then mo bank deposit remittances or meeting in person with cash. There are no oh i._d. 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We've been focusing on the activism migration and jean. The christian anarchist is with us here on our discord server gene. I felt like you had more to say here tonight. So please go ahead yeah talking mainly about the different belief systems that people have and i'm going to go back to flatter again because you know i i kinda like flatter thirds. They're funny people but then ah some of them are are since are completely sincere but there's another youtube and i'm not trying to plug youtube channels here but <hes> there's one called v sawssen awesome very good on scientific stuff and he did one called is the earth actually flap and he uses physics and stuff to show how possibly the earth could be slapped in all these things but you know he doesn't actually believe it no of course not but at you well you know it's easy to throw you know. I'm not saying that i believe in being flat. Thank god but i'm not an inside but here's the thing is. I mean i can't say that. I know that it's route. I don't no no anything i've never been never flown flown that high and i feel like you know it's easy to throw those ideas under the boss and you say all that can't be true but i mean everything. We think we know almost everything we think we know someone told us yeah that's true and there's a lotta lies out there error and then there's also just perpetuating things that they don't know either so said though there's enough people who've flown high enough to where they can see the curvature of the earth within so it's not like it. It's not like you're going to be able to have a conspiracy that includes every single airline pilot that has ever existed to try to keep a secret about this a jean. You are a pilot. How high up do you have to go before you can start to notice the curvature of the earth. I i'm pretty sure that what you see on the horizon at thirty six thousand feet where most airliners travel is a representation of the curvature of the earth and i you know now some people claim it's not but it looks like a curvature to me at any rate and obviously spend time in alaska and in the summertime the days are longer than they are in florida so these kind of things pretty much lay that claim to bear you know. I don't think that you could say that. The earth is flat flat but the thing that i'm getting at is people have different levels of understanding and you have to you have to accept people as they are. You can't just just discard somebody because they have a totally different even crazy mindset and i think maybe that's one of the things as us as a libertarian anarchists that i really want to let other people know is that you've got to accept people as they are because because you can try to change them you can lead them along a little bit but you're not you don't have the power to change people we don't have we can only talk to them and share what we know and hawkins set an example that helps you can't set an example and hope that they'll see that your example is a success then maybe they'll want to know why or value the reasons why success in perhaps we throw somebody out and just say well. They're totally useless. They're no good and and then two weeks later they say oh yeah you were right. You know come around but i don't think the bruce's coming around you never no. I don't think there's certain people who you know. You don't want to spend any time on him. Okay i'm not saying you should spend your time fighting. Those is people but they're also not worth spending your time on trying to influence in any positive way simply because they have indicated that they're not willing to even be receptive. You have to listen to anything. Your time is limited suspended on the people that are better prospects in my opinion. I agree with that too but you know i. I'm just saying you don't want it. Reject anybody initially hydro at least chance you know absolutely call tonight. Thank you all right man. Thanks thanks. I was gonna say it's a it's a big. It's a big world and we have room for a lot of different. Ideas and people absolutely true thank you for the call gene the christian anarchist unless of course your ideas are to subjugate and rule others. I don't really wanna hang out with people that <hes> you know get pleasure from the pain of of others. <hes> shouted freud. I think that is taking pleasure from someone else's pain so no. I mean there's obviously we shouldn't be encouraging purging certain types of behavior but as long as your beliefs don't harm anybody else than i got no issue with you can live your life however you want but if your beliefs <music> are that you are the one who's right and you're the one who should rule over others that you will use violence to get your way over others than i'm not going to just stand by quietly as you try to to institute those beliefs over people. Something must be done. Somebody has to stand up and say no and that comes back around and what we were talking about earlier silver day of his encouraging more people to say no but to better yet say no together so they're not all alone or feeling alone at the the time that they decide to say no or they know they've got people who agree with them who are nearby in close physical proximity who could come to their assistance <hes> who could come to a court trial l. who could <hes> arm up or whatever if necessary and it brings us back to we've come almost full circle <hes> that if you knew that tomorrow you could say no and get away with it would you would you give them the money tomorrow. If if you get your paycheck and you could choose your like i'm gonna give half my paycheck in property taxes and in excuse me the emini give half my paycheck in income tax property tax license fee registration fee fishing licensed hunting license sales tax and all this other crap up and you could and you could choose to give it that way. They can spend the money to murder farmers in afghanistan to help the agenda. Would you give it on the other hand. If you do away away with if you knew you could get away with saying no. You're going to waste this money. You people are jerks and you're using this the most horrible things. I'm not going to give it to you and if you knew you could do it. Would you give it and i feel like so. Many people would be like no. I'm not giving in fact. I think most people don't trust the government and i i hope so and and i even heard a statistic you know yesterday. We were talking. You know some of my friends and i were talking about that. They said that less than ten percent of americans qin's believed the official nine eleven story <hes> and someone else even said that there's a video of donald trump actually saying that it's not possible all that airplanes could knock down those towers rule that they must have had explosives. I wanna find this video myself because they were talking about it. They they were saying that it was on info wars that this was talking about if i'm allowed to say that or not but so like i just got fifty bucks so it's alex jones paying people to stay in fours. I'm kidding okay but i hate ain't they will not quiet be quiet me anyway so but the thing is that like less than ten percent supposedly believe the story and i feel like so few people believe the government so few people believe in the wars but everyone's okay okay with it but if people knew they could get away with saying no they would and i feel like how could we get people to connect together to say like hey row how frankie george hey guys. We all know we feel the same way right. We want freedom. We want to keep the fruits of our labor well. Let's do it and i feel feel like there's if if people knew they could do it if they knew that the person who left the right would support it too and they wouldn't let you stand up by yourself and then like the nazis did just shoot you you if there was a way to do that tomorrow we could be free tomorrow and it just i think enough people gave up their belief in the government and and their fear of what might happen if they said no then we would be significantly more free. You're absolutely right about that. <hes> the the toll free number here. 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Oh hey how're you doing in. Hey what's on your mind. Well i wanna talk about youtube censorship. Its <hes> eighteen. O traditionally youtube has been the lee censorious of the big social networks and the newly it yeah that might be surprising but they actually they're very lenient. Union compared to facebook <hes> facebook or twitter like there's a lot of people who you know they'll get banned for twitter. <hes> like you know sargon carl. Benjamin would be an obvious example. He got banned after twitter a long time ago <hes> ban patriot but still not banned from youtube so can i. It may seem sometimes like you get you know banned from alex jones. You get banned from from all at once. That's not always the case but i i think youtube censorship. We're gonna see a big increase in it. <hes> with the you know the twenty twenty election because you know google we'll go owns youtube and <hes> you know i don't know if you saw the project veritas video but <hes> the one where they said they they can't can't allow trump situation or whatever no. I don't know what that that is a leaked video on youtube where basically someone went undercover at google headquarters reported some all and like there's this one one senior one one executive lady who's talking about well. You know they break up youtube or they break up google than we can't prevent another trump situation. <hes> the video might still be available it. I can't remember the title but it's like project veritas google or something like that but <hes> the main reason i wanted to call about it because today <hes> someone pointed me to a video called the dark age of youtube has begun <hes> and so this is this is a this is only a prediction but in the video the person while the person is using using some evidence to make a prediction <hes> there was someone and i can't remember the name it's in the video. Someone who basically there's a they've made a new channel and they immediately had a million subscribers. I what people were saying yeah this this. This rarely happens. You have to work for years or a loss cyber. What do they buy the subscribers on like one one of those fake sites where you can just hire a bunch of <hes> you know people in a like india to go and ability <hes> but what's what's worse is that people are being automatically subscribe to this person and another thing with youtube is a lot of people are always reporting. They're getting like unsubscribe it from people that they subscribe to when you to goes in but you know they're clearing spam bots and stuff and we'll also suspect that youtube is deliberately trying to reduce use the <hes> the reach of basically because of these advertiser the apocalypse you know advertisers don't wanna be exposed on risky contents and they'll go away table. Put a new round of censorship. We're probably going to see more of that but the interesting thing about this particular case is that this person seemingly got a lot of you know a million subs very quickly quickly and people found themselves subscribe to this person just without having actually click the button and so the the possibility is that youtube is going to explicitly start so you know promoting people at just giving them giving them likes giving them. You know subscribers and promotion. Why are you suggesting that they would be subscribing people to a channel to which they had not subscribed that youtube would essentially force subscriptions at the allegation that the video made and you know it's the evidence for that or is that just pure speculation. Although the video has the the evidence in the i think it was like the dark age youtube. Whatever but <hes> well how do you how do you show evidence that somebody was falsely. Subscribe to something <hes>. How could you even prove that. Oh well the only thing you could. The show is screen shots from people who say that they've been subscribed so it's admittedly not certain at this point based on everything else. I know. It seems like it's a definite positive miller color me skeptical on that. I mean it. Just doesn't seem like that would really fly. <hes> people would be pretty upset and i think you would you would hear a lot more about it than just some conspiracy conspiracy theory video. I think people would be like really mad if they found that they'd been subscribed to channels that they didn't ask to subscribe to arnold systems and they're they're presumably they are. Yes and i mean i mean there's a lot of things that aren't conspiracy that kind of pointing that direction like for example on the trending page. You don't even if you're c._n._n. It's actually youtube policy that you don't need as many <hes> views to get on the training phase sure yeah. There's certain there's certain certain channels that they are putting <hes> first and foremost like you're pointing out c._n._n. Major mainstream news media sources are more likely to end end up in the recommended videos algorithm and things like that so there's definitely no doubt that youtube is using its programming to show people things things that they otherwise might not obscene but that's not the same thing as saying. They're going to just go ahead and wholesale. Subscribe everybody to c._n._n. Or some other you know propaganda channel like like that. I feel like they i think that would be obviously crossing a line that even they wouldn't <hes> be so brazen is to cross because kind of eliminates the whole all youtube idea where oh no. We think you need to subscribe to these five channels. We're going to force subscribe to these channels and no you can't unsubscribe. I mean even youtube rewind rewind as like highlight clip that they put out every year on team. Tubes channel actually excluded p._d. Pie from that even though really hop corporate youtuber well he's been in there before though hasn't he has but they're putting more people in there who basically they're celebrities who don't even have a lot subscribers on their channel. Well didn't pudi pie. Make a big to do about leaving youtube for live streaming. I mean he's <hes> he's on delyth now. He is. That's that's that's correct. Yes youtube. <hes> you know obviously not treating the thing is that youtube seems to be going away from the whole point of youtube. Which was that you like you home home. You average person put up a video and that on the merits yeah no. There's no doubt about that. I mean i would agree with you that it is its mission in has shifted over the years as it has become more of a corporate tool that is manipulated by google for whatever purposes as opposed to its original founding by hi like what a couple of college graduates or something i mean it's it's kind of a long way in the last thirteen or so years of its existence. Thanks for the call tonight. Appreciate hearing from you. The toll free number if you want to join us it's fifty five four fifty free. That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three. 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Those the two places that you can follow our channel and then you'll get notices like an email or in in the twitter de live apps. When we go live you can watch. That's the show on video. If you care about that. You're welcome to do that. It's free of course. We're going back to your phone calls and thoughts. Let's go to a devon who's calling from jacksonville florida watching us on youtube devon. You're on free talk. Live dark games more fitting all right. You are are not allowed to call this show. The toll free number here eight fifty five four fifty free. Let's go to david in new mexico david. You're on free talk live. Hello oh speaking of youtube first of all. I believe correct me if i'm wrong. Youtube is the only service that i can use to if i want to share the fact get your program is going on. Is that correct or no. No no. No we're on d. Live at d. Live on orange on f._m. We're also twitch twitch done on f._m. You can just scherer audio streams over it. Freetalklive dot com the front page of the website in fact during our live show turns into a player so normally if you go there the other twenty one when hours a day it just takes you to the front page of the site but if you are there during seven to ten at night eastern time the front page becomes alive playback thing so you could just you could just shout show. Oh you are l. if you wanted yeah i've been using youtube to share. It seems to be a little bit easier for me anyway than the other the other share and it's the least it's the least quality video stream that we offer. We have three different qualities. Youtube is the lowest of them but it still doesn't look bad. It's still looks. It looks fine. Low-quality comes in handy for <hes> low internet. Yeah absolutely yep that's true. If you've got limited internet you still want video than youtube. Youtube is going to be your best bet there because i have found that <hes> twitches for me which is the hardest one to keep going. <hes> d- live is a little bit better but a little bit freezes a little bit but youtube never never freezes on me and a day dave what you were saying about <hes> if people would just aw look to their left and look to the right and stand up simultaneously <hes> let me tie that in with what i was saying the other day is that i used to have a horse that i could lead around without a row because he thought he was he thought there was a rope connected to halter neck but it wasn't there anymore because i had stopped using it long ago but he's still thought it was there and if you only knew and so so that's really the same thing if people only would take a look and see that the rope is not really there they could walk away and there's nothing that even the u._s. Military could do about it because frankly frankly half for two thirds or three quarters of the u._s. Military would come along. That's a great point and yeah. There's there's no rope. There's no more of us that czar of them right and it's a really good point strengthen numbers. I mean if polled said no. I mean it'd be like it's like one guy. Versus like every fifty thousand like one guy personally fifty thousand people meanwhile meanwhile that one guy is is is is controlling those per fifty thousand people and people obey because just like you said. They believe that there's a rope but there is no rope. I think that <hes> the typical ratio of police to average people is like one to five hundred if i recall correctly clean now some departments. Have you know one point five to five hundred or the. There's a range but that's that's kind of like the typical. Some departments have less than one per for for five hundred but that's your typical sort of average. I guess that you see in the united states but i don't think that factors in the military you know all of the violent way that the government could bring down upon you so. It's probably a little bit more than one to five hundred you know it might be like three to five hundred or maybe at worst five to five five hundred if you factor in like all the military or something but yeah i mean the fact is there's more of us than there are of them. That's fact it's funny. You think about imagine like a giant giant. Imagine this giant you know five thousand pound man right and there's this like little one pound on little ant bossing him around he's obeying and he's doing it and then at any moment he could just squash him. He can just be like no and just crush him. Yes but you know what good analogy. I really liked your rope analogy. Thank you david anything else. You wanted to yeah well. I can figure subject time but tat under this subject. I think that the the numbers from the american revolution are still good in that <hes> there was twenty thirty percents that were siding with the british and twenty thirty thirty percent. They were actively openly supporting the new americans and everybody else <hes> that remained the forty to sixty percent. They were just neutral neutral and they didn't matter they didn't matter they were just they're taking up space and so i think those numbers are pretty much the same and if you that old thing about the three percent out of that twenty any thirty percent that supported the new americans <hes> it was only like three percent of able bodied men and you know whatever women were active active actively fighting actively resisting it only. It only took three percent and that's pretty much true. I believe he'll he'll i think i'm i think think i'm with you on that one david thanks for the call tonight. Appreciate it. It really is true that a determined minority can make some very significant changes in life and the majority already of people will just side with whoever they think's gonna win. It's true if you want to join us here. The toll free number is eight fifty five four fifty free. That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three. We have <hes> the discord on air call in line rooms over at discord. Dot l. are in f._m. I had a story here about 'bout podcasting and i thought it was gonna be. I think it's actually a pretty interesting piece but i think it's a little bit too in depth to start this late in the show so coming up here hear how some good news about the most marijuana friendly congress in all of u._s. history at least according to forbes is it magazine we can share that with you and of course you can share your thoughts with us <hes>. I do like getting a little bit of good news out there if <hes> if i possibly can as i said this. This one comes from forbes where tom angel contributor writes with the house and senate heading into a month long august recess. It's a good time to take a look back jacket. What lawmakers have accomplished so far this year. When it comes to marijuana reform it's unquestionable at one hundred sixteenth. Congress is the most cannabis friendly congress in history seven months into the session. There have already been seven hearings on cannabis. Marijuana banking bill has passed a key committee and the full house adopted did a far reaching amendment to block federal interference in state legalization laws and those are just the highlights just in str- call from normal. That's the national organization position for the reform of marijuana. Laws says quote congress has never moved this far this fast on marijuana policy period representative earl blumenauer who's <hes> from oregon has worked for decades to end marijuana prohibition said those quote long overdue efforts to reform our outdated cannabis laws are finally resonating resonating in congress well it only took decades but finally they seem to be taking this issue seriously. You know i kind of got a little problem with this. Sorry sorry and my thing is this. They say legalizing but they're really. They don't really mean that kinda like like oh. Legalize allies you mean so he can grow at. I could sell it. I could buy a kit not that kind of legal dave. No you've got are still bribe. The government right you know got a permission slip that to me is still a major issue. Like who are these high state. Who are these guys that can take away your natural born born rights and then try to sell them back to you. You're right the idea that you don't have the right to dig a hole in the ground. Drop a seed in it covered up with some dirt and wait. That's what they're saying to. You have to have a permission slip to do dear earth. Can you hear me out there earth. Who are these guys that are trying to say they art are. Who are these guys that are trying to say that we can't grow a natural plant that you provided here for us but that you have to pay these goons government goon tyrannical people. It's crazy. I want freedom. I wanted me to more on the way here though either way. I'm i'm. I'm totally with you on this tape. <hes> i also agree that we need to just end prohibition and not have a legal structure built on top of this plant. Unfortunately the politicians aren't likely to see it that way <hes> so we'll tell you at least they're still a little bit of progress at the federal level and we'll explain some coming up here. This is free talk live. You can join us on the radio. Hey it's free talk live. You may join us here. The toll free number is eight fifty five four four fifty three. We have enough time for you. Jump on the lines now with you tonight. It's ian silver day and don't forget you can join us online anytime over at freetalklive dot com yeah yeah you can right here in these remaining moments. We have enough time for you. In fact there is somebody on the line on our board server can't unquote read it sarah. I think from new mexico sarah sarah yeah the whole hello there. I wanna talk about the red light cameras. Okay go ahead sarah. Tell us about him. I think erica thing and yeah this was not a well-planned call was a good thing and yeah. I really like mike red light cameras and red light district bedroom. Who is who are these guys <hes> eh attack fader tax feeder all right so that was your attempt to do an impression of a long lost collar or now who has not called the show for two months. I think or close to to not quite two months but we haven't heard from her. Since before we went to pork vest i miss sarah wish come back. I don't know i don't know what happened either. I don't know if anybody out. There knew what other shows that she called because i know she was noteworthy for for calling like a bunch of different shows so i wonder if she's still calling any of those other shows and if she's not then i would say it's safe if the to say something bad happened to sarah. Maybe accidents occur pedestrian bands cars. They kill a lot a lot of people. Thanks for the call tonight anything else you wanna share appreciate it. Can you feel better now. Go thank you <hes>. That's how you do you get on. Our discord scored server there over a discord dot l. r. n. dot f._m. Where the conversation continues there's people in there chatting every single day pretty much around the clock lock different chat rooms in which you can interact with other free talk live listeners head over there to discord dot l. r. n. dot f. m. <hes> weather. We'll ever hear from sarah. The real sarah in new mexico again is <hes> is a good question. I don't know sometimes callers come and and then they go and then you you never hear from them again said stuff but <hes> we move on because we've got stuff to talk about like good news at the federal level. This is from forbes dot com. It's saying here that this congress is the most marijuana friendly congress in all of history which probably isn't a very high bar to reach but nonetheless it can. I add that. I don't think that they're marijuana friendly. I think that they just found a way to make money. Mon- letting people have some uh-huh slight little bit more freedom but also like only letting certain people be allowed to sell it to them. What's right still exorbitant prices because now wow that it's becoming more legalized. Has anyone noticed the price hasn't really changed on this wrong about that so because of of legalization i would say we've seen a price drop. Oh yeah last over the last decade plus prices have come down dramatically. Maybe i've seen so back in the late nineteen ninety s i'm pretty familiar with the you know the people that have bought and sold marijuana no. I've known that out of he knows. I've known a lot of them in my time but back in the late nineties you could not smoke you can get a bag of the mid grade cannabis now mids back then would have been some seeds. You'd there'd be some seeds in the in the buds but it would be generally via decent quality of of bud. Sometimes they were pressed a little compressed but not flattened men. Sometimes they were like full buddy butts. Look nice so there's kind of like a range admits but you might pay like sixty bucks for a quarter a quarter ounce of of mid grades. You can get that level of quality these days ace it. Actually you can't even get that level of quality. You can get like that same kind of plant but no seeds because they've gotten rid of of seats. I haven't seen seeds in cannabis in years. I don't remember it must have been a decade ago. The last time i saw seeds in canvas so maybe there are still some markets around the country where you can get c._d. Cannabis but at least in new england <hes> i haven't i haven't seen it and so you can get the same quality smoke smoke with fewer seeds or no seeds for half the price. Now you can do it for thirty bucks instead of sixty bucks. The prices have come down across the board and these are black act market prices that <hes> that i'm i'm talking about here because we don't have a legal marketplace here in new hampshire now to be fair you can actually compare the black market to who the legal market in massachusetts and it's actually more expensive on the legal market in massachusetts well and that's to me. I feel like the price this is the black market thousands of percents higher than it would be like for you know like the price of weed compared to the price of gold gold or silver silver is a prime example because silver is worth like a dollar a gram versus. We'd is obviously a lot more so like but silver should be much more rare than we do so i feel like this is yeah so i feel like the price is still don't reflect no. You're right true free market price not at all farmed crop that you could grow giant field of if it was like really legally legally like real legal not just this like pseudo legal like they've got. No you're right. They don't reflect true freedom but the pro- the increase supply has the crisis down yeah so this is dave it used to be that you had to if you wanted to get a bulk amount of canopus you had to move it across southern border right you you had to smoke there had to be a smuggling operation man my mom her so i just start this quarter pound through connecticut but yeah you'd wanna put in bricks of if marijuana into some sort of vehicle and traveled across the border now there's so much being grown in the legal states like oregon and colorado oh and now like eight other states. I think it's eight or nine states that have it legal <hes>. There's just so much supply. One of the problems is is that because the federal government won't allow marijuana to be sold or distributed even though it's legal in say oregon the companies that grow it in oregon oregon cannot ship it outside of oregon they can only sell it there in oregon so that's one of the reasons why the prices are higher than what they should be because they should be able to trade in between oregon and colorado and oregon california nevada. You know if excite me like a free market yeah or even a free ish market you know even if it was regulated just being able to trade across borders would increase the number of potential buyers in and make it so a lot of competition yeah so like you know one farm arm can do it for less direct but for now if a farm has an excess they have to sell it within that state or if they're careful careful they can shove some of it out the back door illegally into the black market which is in my opinion why you see black market prices dropping because there's this you know they have their ways right like the even the government has a a fairly restrictive system on top of these growers like they have to tag the plants. They have to track the plants. They have to know where they ardell times. After have inventory it's ridiculous <hes> they still have ways of you know okay if clipping the buds off just clip one bud out of ten and and put it in this bucket over here and that bucket is going to go out the back door. We're gonna sell that on the black market and make a little bit extra money <hes> and that stuff ends up going all around the country into markets where it is still illegal but it's brought the prices down. Here's a couple more highlights from this this story in june. The house of representatives voted to sixty thirty seven one sixty five to approve measure for the first time that prevents the department of justice from spending money to intervene in the implementation of state and territory marijuana policies. He's the body also approved in in an uncontested voice. Vote a similar measure shielding the cannabis laws of indian tribes as well as another adding the u._s. Virgin islands to to an existing law covering local marijuana or medical marijuana programs an additional amendment to the that the house tacked onto the same bill directs. The food and drug administration to establish is a process for regulating cd foods and dietary supplements also separate appropriations legislation that cleared the house in june contain language upon upon introduction to prohibit the treasury department from punishing banks for maintaining accounts for state legal cannabis businesses now. This would be a big deal if this this goes through now. I don't know what the current status is and apparently the senate has not yet taken up versions of these these different bills so none of these things are a done deal at this point the fact that they had a again they passed at least initially this removal of restrictions from banks being able to hold an account for cannabis cannabis business because that's been one of the most difficult struggles for a lot of these businesses even when they've jumped through all the stupid government hoops that they have to jump through to be able to buy or sell or grow marijuana they then run into the problem of okay now. We got all this money from the marijuana sales but we don't know what to do that because bank will actually open a bank account for us because the banks are afraid of the federal government coming in so if they can change that rule to a to leave banks alone who are doing business with marijuana businesses that will help a lot out of mount quite a bit so you know these are little steps in the right direction but i'm glad to see some progress in this area. Hey you can check us out online anytime you want. Join the fun of discord server ver- discord dot dot f._m. Download archives joined the program at freetalklive dot com. We'll see you tomorrow have an animal and you shouldn't be tagged and tracked like one where where you go and what you do every minute of the day track them recorded by your mobile phone as often more revealing than your browser history and tech companies. Make a fortune selling your location history without your consent. 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"Coming up on. Why you may have heard. There was Adidas yesterday, but there was not contact tracing APPs launch and Germany but will anyone use them, and whether instagram will pass twitter as a new source. This is the daily Tech. News for Tuesday June Sixteenth Twenty Twenty in Los. Angeles I'm Tom Merritt and from Studio Redwood I'm Sarah Lane. Also in Los, Angeles I'm Lemar. Wilson and also here is Roger Chambers show's producer We were just talking about baby names and Phillips You lightbulbs and wearing pants on good day. Internet, get that full conversation and find out why become a member at Patriot dot com slash DT Ns let's start with a few tech things you should know. Google has arrived in g mail for ANDROID and IOS well. Users will not need the meat APP to join a conference and a meet TAB is now located at the bottom of the main at Djamil interface. DROPBOX launched dropbox passwords is dedicated password manager along with dropbox volts for encrypted storage. Sensitive documents secure with the six digit pin for mobile users on the drop box plus plan bought us a lot of. dropbox edit the ability to backup system photos from PC's or MACs and Beta for dropbox basic. dropbox basic professional, and plus users Novas for five G. Laptop, which announced back at CAS. As the Yoga Five G. is now available for preorder for thousand, three, hundred, ninety, nine, ninety, nine as a verizon exclusive in the United States the flex five G. has qualcomm snapdragon eight C x processor, which has twenty four hours of use of a single charge release the claims it does, and qualcomm x fifty five five G. Modem, which supports Lt, millimeter, wave, and sub the six Gigahertz Five G. Networks, Lenovo partnering with E. IN THE UK. That's e sunrise in Switzerland and. In China for more market launches later. This year! We were talking about some Hue. Light Bulbs before the show and Phillips you announced the White Eight twenty one bulb with a sixteen hundred lumina output equivalent to a traditional one hundred watt bulb for twenty dollars now. If you're not familiar, it's that's that's a that's a. that's quite a bolt Philips. Hue is also releasing a Bluetooth enabled lights, plus the ability to cut a strip to. to any size or connected to up to eight extensions for seventy nine at ninety, nine, all with one meter extensions for twenty four dollars, ninety nine cents, but first availability at target fill to also updated its bloom table lamp with new colors and also white light at five hundred lumens. That's now Bluetooth enabled as well and we'll go for seventy dollars when it arrives in July. Get One or two. Apple announced our apple. Hello, can we read today? Adobe announced dates to software across its creative cloud suite among the new features photoshop light room, get a button to switch between the two programs on the IPAD light room gets ability to save versions and share with others premiere. Pro gets the option to preview license audio from within the APP Adobe rushed. Now has all of framing. Now supports cloud documents. Most of the features will come in June. Creative cloud update was some to follow later this year parallels announced a tour with Google. To bring full windows. APPLICATIONS SUPPORT TO CHROME OS enterprise devices. You heard that right parallels promises that by this autumn full featured window APPS, including Microsoft Office will run seamlessly on chromebook enterprise devices. Amazon launched its distance assistance system for monitoring social distancing warehouses and office. The system will show workers at a safe distance with the green circle around them and a red circle around those too close to each other, so everybody kind of knows what the deal is. Amazon plans to make the code for a distance assistance of open source as well. And Google cut the price of its stadia. Premier Package from one hundred twenty nine dollars to ninety nine dollars, but it also dropped the three months free stadium WPRO subscriptions, and now we know how much that was worth, and that's ten dollars a month, so kind of makes sense the ninety nine dollar premier package does still include a chrome cast, ultra and a stadia controller all right? We mentioned that contact tracing APP. Lamar, tell us a little bit about what's going on in the world of contact tracing. Yes, sir, so Germany launched is contact tracing APP called Corona warn APP on Tuesday based on Google Apple. Exposure Notification, program, or platform, so Italy Poland Latvia and Switzerland have also launched APPs on that same platform. You member states have agreed to standards of interoperability between contact, tracing APPs with implementation expected in weeks. However, Francis APP does not use the decentralized approach Google Platform Francis Systems stores data centrally and adoption of these APPs are slow to. Now South Korea and Taiwan are notable exceptions for Francis APP which launched June. Second has chew percent. Activation. Norway reach temps percent adoption before it posits that Monday over privacy concerns. Singapore has had their trace together APP available since March, as adopted or reached a twenty five or twenty to twenty adoption giving. Now in a US, only Alabama, North Dakota and south. Carolina say they intend to use the google APP platform. Most states are relying on human tracing instead in Massachusetts Human Tracers I've managed to talk to seventy percent of cases and reached seventy four percent of those cases context, not perfect, but higher than most tracing EPS have reached. Ideally Trace. APPs would be helping the manual tracing. But in a lot of places they just can't get enough people to adopt it to make much of a difference. Twenty twenty five percents not bad in Singapore. But two percent pretty pitiful in France and then Frances. APP isn't even going to be easily able to work with the other APPS in Europe. So that when you're traveling, you, you know the ideas you won't have to worry about that. It does seem like apple and Google did a great job building a platform, but it doesn't look like it's going to be used well. And that. Go ahead, Lamar I was at what is it fear of the privacy concerns with those companies, or is it that if you have somebody to opt in to do something like this? They're not really going to do it. Unless you Kinda Ford like this is one of those things that I wonder. If it's better to have it on and in happy, we'll turn it off. They want because it's so important or does that raise more issues if we do that? I mean yeah, the that is the question. I think it's both I think there are just gut level privacy concerns, even if you understand that the Apple Google, platform is incredibly privacy protecting. They did a very good job with that. There's just part of the idea of like. Do I want to be traced right? And there's also the delay of people saying. Oh, but I have to download ocal. Remember to do that at some point now. At some point, the Apple Google Platform will become an operating system option where it will prompt you like Hey, do you wanna turn this on and you won't have to download an APP unless you get cova. Didn't unless you WANNA report that you've been infected. So, so there is that aspect of it that will likely increase adoption at least in the places they're using that platform, but again in the US only states using that platform. And I. There are probably some people would be fine with it, but most people don't want any government to like this is mandatory. You have to do this so okay. It's an often situation. In most cases, it seemed pretty cut and dry. How the up works how it supposed to help you stay safe, but it still requires people yeah to to act slightly differently than their routines, and that is such a hard sell for for people all over the world mean it's tough as you can see by some of the poultry numbers of adoption in some of these countries, people are just sort of like. Is really going to help me like there's privacy issues. Look at Norway I don't want to do this. Yeah! Dark nine twenty seven s in the twin jet says he thinks governments are upset with Google and apple because they won't give him the tracing because it's, it's secured on your device. There's no centralized then. That's certainly what's going on in France but most. Most European companies are using Apple Google. It's the US that's not really adopting Apple Google, and in those cases they're not adopting anything. California doesn't even have an APP. They're just doing manual tracing because they're like. That's where we want to spend our efforts and to be honest. Manual tracing does have better performance. The Act were only ever meant to be supplementary. I would. Answer that you said at the beginning that they issue work together right now. One that rules all so I agree with it. Well speaking of Apple, the European Commission opened a formal investigation into apple's APP store and also mobile payment system policies. One investigation will look at the policy that requires APP makers to use apple's at payment system. spotify complained about the policy to the EU last year. and has. been pretty vocal about that. Raccoon filed a similar complaint over e Book Sales Back in March. A separate investigation will look into apple pay particularly the fact that it is the only tap to pay system that is allowed on apple devices apple doesn't want. Other financiers to be able to use NFC in their standalone apps with US apple called the complaints, baseless and accused companies have wanting a free ride and quote play not play by the same rules as everybody else. Apple published a study Tuesday noting that the apple APP ecosystem generates five hundred nineteen billion dollars in bill in billions and sales worldwide, sixty one billion dollars is digital goods and services. That apple gets a cut of the rest of physical goods in advertising. That apple doesn't actually generate revenue from yeah I feel like the study is a well timed to make it clear that apple's like look. We could make a lot more. It's well. We're doing. We're doing this to be better for the users, and that may be true. It could still be considered any competitive, even if your point is to do it for the users not to make money. There's an example out today. Base camp has a brand new email service called. Hey, that has. Not had its second version approved because the apple reviewers, and this is not just one Rivera got escalated say will you have a ninety nine dollars a year service and you're not offering it through the APP. You have to operate offered through the APP. You don't have to offer subscriptions to the reader APPs like kindle for instance, but apple says an email APP isn't a reader APP so. That's not going to help their their their cause any to have an email. APP, that is not being allowed in the store unless they force people to be able to buy a subscription through apple. Pay I really do think apple's not trying to be greedy here for money. I, think they. They're just being stubborn about their rules like we're apple. We made the rules and this is how we wanted to work won't control of the system. And it makes you wonder in the. Taking apple here I wonder. Are they even that big in. Europe to make it an anticompetitive like you know they're. android seems to be more of a dominant thing. They're not. Really matter they're big enough, but that's a fair point. Because android is particularly dominant in Europe, it's fair question. So folks, you may have seen some headlines, yesterday, or even today, saying that there was a massive denial of service attack on the United States Monday. You may have experienced outages from t mobile, or maybe even some other carriers not been able to get to websites like twitch. We had an outage in the middle of detainees. We couldn't stream the first part of of on twitch yesterday. Except there wasn't Adidas. Matthew Prince CEO cloudflare explained on twitter why those coincidences and it is the definition of the word, a coincidence things that just happened to happen at the same time, but are not related. Do Not indicate a denial of service attack. CLOUDFLARE's the predominant provider of defense against DOS attacks. They have the data to look at this. And Matthew Prince explained that the t mobile outage was caused by configuration change that went badly leading six hours of cascading failures. That shouldn't happen. It doesn't happen that often, but it can happen, and it did bad news for T. Mobile. They had a horrible day that caused a lot of people to complain on twitter about not being able to get a particular site. Because maybe they didn't realize the T. mobile outage was happening here. We also had some other coincident yet. Unrelated outages like twitch. So suddenly you have a lot of people on twitter on T. Mobile, some not complaining about not being able to get to websites and the number of people complaining about popular sites, being down caused down detector to report those sites as down because down detector relies on twitter as one of its main signals. People on twitter don't necessarily know why the thing is down, but down detectable go. Hey, everybody's complaining that. That twitches down. I complained the T.. Mobile's everybody's complaining that all these sites are down because they're T. mobile is out that lead to people looking at an attack map from arbor networks that seemed to show a massive attack and a lot of the stories that talked about this show, this attack map and it's got all these lines coming from all over the world into the United States and these Diaz. And obviously it's very clear from this map that the massive. Attack happening. Except for Prince claim that Arbor, which is a competitor to cloudflare always makes it look like that. It's a marketing measure to say. Hey, we. We'd protect you against these horrible. De Dos attacks. Look at them happening. Principles to screen shot of cloudflare data that indicated no denial of service attack was happening, and in fact if you look at the Arbor attack map Tuesday. The day were recording this show. It shows the same massive attack lines as yesterday except today, all of those services we were talking about our up. So. This is just a lesson in. Be Extra careful. When you're assuming things and spreading information, because you can be part of the problem that causes down to technical reports. Something down when it's not really. The way you line is amazing because I see it. you know it all. It all comes from twitter people panicking I. Mean even so that I got on my group chat with my friends like are. Are you all down at our 'cause? They're in different states, or whatever and you're know. What are you talking about? And I opened up APPs. They were fine. So what's really going on here and thank you for explaining that? So clearly that it was just was not what everybody thought it was. Yeah, and you're not alone. There were there were some other folks. I? Know no technology like you do. who were looking at this like Oh man? There seems to be because the because Arbor's a legitimate source. It's just if you're not familiar with the fact that they always make their map. Look like that. It would stand out on the one day. You look at it for the first time right so. So. We should talk about Kamio briefly, so we talked about them. Okay I, wasn't you? I was. We talked about cameo. The services that let you buy recording from a celebrity like me. I'm kidding. cameo has now introduced cameo live. which lets you buy a Tim zoom call with the CELEB-. Now prices vary what the chat was skateboarder Tony Hawk costing one thousand dollars an actor Jeremy, piven, costing fifteen thousand dollars, and if you want him to insult, you like his character from entourage. It's probably even more as my guess. Yeah if you don't remember Cameos, the one that you pay like a couple hundred bucks, and then you can get like some super celebrity like Jeremy. piven to send a video message, and it's a fun birthday present for somebody. I mean it often not even that much money depending on the celebrity, but yeah. Usually. It's a novelty thing that you definitely see people doing no water reality. stars take advantage of this and I've I've had a reality star. Send me a wasn't a birthday message. It was like a merry Christmas or something, and I mean I was floored. It was so funny and you know made my day, and she made the money and everybody was happy however. When okay so that kind of. Some of the stuff I always like have a testy relationship with because I never want to like feel like. I don't know people are being exploited. Too much and Cameos sorta walks that line a little bit. And it depends on who is the person who wants to talk to the CELEB- and why and all that stuff, so it's a little bit case by case, but the idea of getting on a ten minute. Call with a celebrity to me is like you know what if you have fifteen thousand dollars and you want to talk to Jeremy Piven. You go, but it kind of breaks down the fun of why social networking. Had allowed all of us to. Well all of us is I I. Have you know lots of people that I'm a fan of to be able to kind of be on level, playing field, and so maybe I selfishly unlike and I don't want to go back to the old days where you just saw them at A. You'd have to convention to meet somebody and pay for your entry ticket, or you had to watch their movie, and they'd never respond to you otherwise like it. It feels a little backwards. It's pretty expensive to now on the celebrity set their price. They're also coming out with something. Called Group chats where people they pay a month to be the group chat with their favorite star or fancy so. There's a cheaper option I guess does like a description feed that sounds good. That one sounds a little more palatable, but yeah fifteen thousand dollars. For who is it again? Jeremy Piven, I mean even even just four hundred dollars. It's like I wasn't the whole fun of all of this that we all could just follow each other i. mean unless you get locked for some reason for acting poorly like we were all kind of in this together like there's something about it. That just feels. It just doesn't feel right. It does feel little. Cameo is I I? Think the video grams are fine. You pay for someone to send you a video, but the last drink thing i. Definitely seems excessive premium alive conversation, not just a video message. I think that's worth money. Maybe not fifteen thousand, but then people pay it if you're GONNA four fifteen thousand dollars. You probably already had Jerry Pippen's phone number. On honestly I think journal, says. I don't WanNa. Talk to anyone. Make It fifteen thousand dollars. No one will ever pay that. Great, and the rest of us are like who's paying that turns out now one. Boston Dynamics has put itself balancing spot robot up for general sale after beginning leasing it last year spot has four legs and can be used for dangerous or mundane tasks the lot of stuff it's used to create three d maps of construction sites and survey for machine faults, and has more recently helped triage covid, nineteen patients and work with bomb squads as well spot can be customized with different sensors and custom programming its. Its latest Os spot, two point Oh has advanced autonomy and navigation features and an update planned for later. This year would allow for a head mounted arm. Potential customers can take spot for a test walk with remote tell operation the license prohibits harmful use, so that's important, but almost any company could buy a spot robot for seventy four thousand five hundred dollars, speaking of people who have a lot of change to purchase though. Plan for Jeremy Piven. Spot, robot, yeah, man, I mean you only get to a I keep seeing videos of these in the wild and I assume Kinda like engineers taking him out for a stroll. There's one like famous one of a a spot in Golden Gate Park, and it's funny. You see the way that people reactor like Oh, no, this is the beginning of the end because they walked so well and they look like animals they do. They look like pets. But the fact that something could be this precise to actually work in situations that humans really shouldn't be in is awesome. Like stop thinking that they're gonNa kill us all like let's let's let's to help them work for us. And Hospitals I think it's already been tested, but I will remember back a few type thing we all at twenty, thousand and twenty twenty to be where all that stuff. Happy you know where nurses won't have to be in those kinds of situations and. I'm like what's what's taking so long. Come on. Yes the fact is most of these uses are like spot walks around a factory. That's Kinda dangerous to walk around in for humans and checks gauges like there's so boring right in their actually use, but important important stuff. Hey folks. If you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes. Be sure to subscribe to daily. TECH HEADLINES DOT COM. The twenty twenty Reuters. Institute digital. News report notes that people are starting to rely on Instagram for news twice as much as they did. In two thousand, eighteen, particularly young adults of responded surveyed in forty countries more than a third of all people who answered the survey, said they use instagram and two thirds of under twenty five's. Said they use it. A two-thirds of under twenty five said they used it, so it's particularly prevalent in the under twenty five eleven, percent said they use it to get news, which is not that much, but growing and only one point behind twitter, which everybody thinks about as a place we get news turns out. Really it's journalists who think people use twitter to get news because most people are using. Using the top three, which are facebook, Youtube and WHATSAPP, instagram's on the rise. Twitter's just kind of hanging out. However, only twenty six percent of people said they trusted social media as a source of information about the corona virus, particularly national governments news organizations were both trusted by about fifty nine percent, so it's interesting. People are using it, but they're using it warily now. The more I know you're you're. Fascinated with instagram, and you've talked about the fact that you like before. How do you feel about it? Growing as a source of news information for folks? Inevitable I was surprised. Actually see this. I know during black lives matter movement. A lot of people were including myself. We're we're. We're able to see kind of videos and almost real time, but life versus going on twitter. We see a lot of text, and you can kind of get lost in that. You know having that rich video or pitcher. Pitcher is you know a thousand words then if you as you're scrolling. More powerful than that and going from behind a young person with bank. I could see that being very valuable for them. It was like okay cool. That's happening. do I see them. Following CNN or Fox or one of those, on Instagram, as a young person, probably not is probably more than a someone wants to influence her, but or or some group that light curates news little bit better for them. That you know like maybe I. Don't know some kind of channel do that. That might be better. I I don't. I don't hear about people. In signing up to follow CNN on Instagram for instance but It it definitely growing. It definitely surprises me more people. WanNa have news on air, but what the? On under kind of make sense, they can put tune for minute clips or more about what's going on, people will watch it. You know when I first so. It's funny Tom when you had mentioned because of. So much of the the news that has been dominated all of our lives for the last couple of weeks. Particularly the you know protests after the murder of George Floyd, and the fact that you were using twitter more than you had in a while I kind of started to think about that, too. Kind of like looking at my usage because I wanna be I turn on the TV and. Turn it off the Cable News. Just like doesn't work for me. Twitter I'm definitely using more some of the stuff. I'm like who goes to facebook for news. Okay, a lot of people do a lot of people do I. Don't because, and it's not so much that well. There's definitely some misinformation you get that anywhere. It's more that I. Don't find facebook to me. Immediate enough for me. INSTAGRAM is more so, but I also feel. Feel like you know the whole kind of instagram experience for me. If someone shares a piece of news, it's like what are they screen shot in something without proper. You know like sourcing in or the link is in their bio, and that's all very clunky, but I hadn't really thought about the live aspect of it, and how much people are using that? Because I guess I'm? I'm just not one of those people who's using it enough. Still Instagram is for things happening now. And you mentioned that I was using twitter to find out a lot of stuff a lot of times. What I was seeing on twitter were links to an instagram livestream to. livestream or or links to a video post on instagram. Sometimes they were on twitter and twitter's got a lot of this going on to. I think Roland S. Martin has been streaming twenty four seven. The Guy had never seems to take a break. Just talking about black lives, matter and interviewing people spike Lee all these folks. That's on twitter, but a lot of that is happening on Instagram so once I thought about it. It didn't surprise me that people would turn to instagram right now for both the coronavirus and for black lives matter protests. To say like okay, what's happening? And where is it happening? Because if you need someone to interpret it, then you want to read about it or you want to watch television source where someone's interpreting it, but if you just want to see it unvarnished like what is happening right now, instagram's actually really good for. My only complaint is. In line with Sarah is that? Linking like there's nothing in post again unless it's ITT polls which they need to really streamline that, so it's not separate things you can put a rich link there, but not on a regular postal. You're right and sourcing, and all that gets a little convoluted with instagram. Yeah, and that's why I think. It's probably best for you know I was at the March and here's here's my video or I'm I'm at the hospital and here's what's happening with the treatment live. You know that sort of thing. I think I think it's good for that. Well you know what works well link wise everyone who participates in our? Because Mitt Stories, you can vote on them and everything lendable, and it's all the daily tech new show, DOT, com or daily tech new show dot ready dot com. All, right, let's check out the mailbag Oh. Let's do it, so we got a lot of feedback from our conversation yesterday. On the idea that people and companies in quite a few companies are supporting changing tech terms from something like master and slave to things like host and request. We also asked you how you feel better Patriot levels, master, and grandmaster, because those are levels that people do paid for and most folks seemed okay leaving those edits and we're happy, and if you have feedback and you have offered yet, please do. But we got an email from todd that I thought summed up nicely, and he said. There are a lot of references to master teacher leader. That's what I think of when I hear master a Master someone who has mastered a craft or skill or activity often we'll have one or more apprentices who are learning the craft or skill activity from their master, their the teacher. A school has a headmaster. That's the person in charge. The elected person in charge of masonic. Lodge is the master of the lodge. The elected person in charge of many lodges is called the Grandmaster Chess has masters and grandmasters depending on skill level and then. There is grandmaster flash. Listen I'm okay with this just. Want to be clear. Anybody has any awkward silences. The I'm I'm literally fine with the the word master and how was using I? Think todd nailed it the issue that I've really never thought about. Be Honest with you is that when I was actually a building computers back in the day? LIKE WHY is secondary drought called to slave? Drive it just. It just seemed like an unnecessary. Words to us so not necessarily offensive, but you didn't really know why. Why don't you think about that? That word is never a good context. Yeah, yeah, exactly so it's just one of those things like yeah I can. The master went makes sense. The other one is is weird. It just doesn't need to be a word that we. have to use anymore. They just secondary once about drives. We've been talking about slavery. Master drives anyway anymore. Host request. There's so many things that make it perfectly clear. And I know that you suggested grandmaster as one of our Patriots titles because of Chess Lamar. Yes kind of like now. retrofitting it to mean grandmaster flash say. You. I. Hear of millions speaking of master and grandmaster levels shouted to our patrons at our master and grandmaster levels including Tim Deputy. Kevin Has Morgan and Dander. Runaway Hankins also thanks to Lamar Wilson for being with us today on this fine Tuesday Lamar always a pleasure. 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"Coming up on. Why you may have heard. There was Adidas yesterday, but there was not contact tracing APPs launch and Germany but will anyone use them, and whether instagram will pass twitter as a new source. This is the daily Tech News for Tuesday June Sixteenth Twenty Twenty in Los Angeles I'm Tom Merritt and Studio Redwood I'm Sarah Lane also in Los Angeles I'm Lemar Wilson and also here is Roger Chambers show's producer We were just talking about baby names and Phillips you light bulbs and wearing pants on good day. Internet get that full conversation and find out why become a member at Patriot dot com slash DT NS. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Google has arrived in g mail for ANDROID and IOS, well, users will not need the meat APP to join a conference and a meet TAB is now located at the bottom of the main at Djamil interface. DROPBOX launched dropbox passwords is dedicated password manager along with dropbox volts for encrypted stores. Sensitive documents secure about the six digit pin for mobile users on the drop box plus plan bought us a lot of. dropbox edit the ability to backup system photos from PC's or MACs and Beta for dropbox basic. dropbox basic professional and plus users Novas. Five G. Laptop, which announced back at CAS as the Yoga Five. G. is now available for preorder for thousand, three, hundred, ninety, nine, ninety, nine as a verizon exclusive in the united, states the flex five G. has qualcomm snapdragon eight C x processor, which has twenty four hours of use of a single charge released the claims it does and qualcomm x fifty five five G. Modem, which supports Lt, millimeter, wave, and sub. The six Gigahertz Five G. Networks Lenovo partnering with E. IN THE UK. That's e sunrise in Switzerland and In China for more market launches later this year. We were talking about some Hue. Light Bulbs before the show and Phillips, you announced the White eight twenty one bulb with a sixteen hundred lumina output equivalent to a traditional one hundred watt bulb for twenty dollars now. If you're not familiar, it's that's it. That's a that's a that's quite a bolt. Philips. Hue is also releasing a Bluetooth enabled lights plus the ability to cut a strip. Strip to any size or connected to up to eight extensions for seventy nine at ninety, nine, all with one meter extensions for twenty four dollars, ninety nine cents, but first availability at target fill to update its bloom table lamp with new colors and also white light at five hundred lumens. That's now Bluetooth enabled as well, and we'll go for seventy dollars when it arrives in July. GET ONE OR TWO Apple announced our apple. Hello, can we read today? Adobe announced mates to software across its creative cloud suite among the new features Photoshop Light Room. Get a button to switch between the two programs on the IPAD. Light Room gets ability to save versions and share edits with others. Premiere pro gets the option to preview a license audio from within the APP. Adobe rushed now has. Has Auto framing. Allaster now supports cloud documents. Most of the features will come in June. Creative cloud update was some to follow later. This year parallels announced a tour with Google to bring full windows. APPLICATIONS SUPPORT TO CHROME OS enterprise devices. You heard that right parallels promises that by this autumn full featured window APPs including Microsoft, Office will run seamlessly on chromebook enterprise devices. Amazon launched its distance assistance system for monitoring social distancing warehouses and office. The system will show workers at a safe distance with the green circle around them and a red circle around those too close to each other, so everybody kind of knows what the deal is. Amazon plans to make the code for a distance assistance of open source as well. and. Google cut the price of its stadia. Premier Package from one hundred twenty nine dollars to ninety nine dollars, but it also dropped the three months free stadium WPRO subscriptions, and now we know how much that was worth, and that's ten dollars a month. So kind of makes sense the ninety nine dollars. Premier package does still include a chrome cast, ultra and a stadia controller. All right. We mentioned that contact tracing APP Lamar. Tell us a little bit about what's going on in the world of contact tracing. Yes, sir, so. Germany launched is contact tracing APP called Corona. WARN APP on Tuesday based on Google Apple. Exposure, notification, program or platform so Italy. Poland Latvia and Switzerland have also launched APPs on that same platform. You member states have agreed to standards of interoperability between contact tracing APPs with implementation expected in weeks, however, Francis APP does not use the decentralized Apple Google Platform Francis Systems stores, data centrally and adoption of these APPs are slow to. Now South Korea and Taiwan are notable exceptions for Francis. APP, which launched June second has chew percent activation. Norway reach temps percent adoption before it posits that Monday over privacy concerns. Singapore has had their trace together APP available since March as adopted or reached a twenty, five or twenty to twenty adoption imitate. Now, in a US, only Alabama North Dakota and South Carolina State. They intend to use the google APP platform. Most states are relying on human tracing instead in Massachusetts Human tracers. I've managed to talk to seventy percent of cases and reached seventy four percent of those cases context, not perfect, but higher than most tracing APPs have reached. Ideally Trace APPs would be helping the manual tracing. But in a lot of places, they just can't get enough people to adopt it to make much of a difference. Twenty twenty five percents not bad in Singapore. But two percent pretty pitiful in France and then Frances. APP isn't even going to be easily able to work with the other APPS in Europe. So that. When you're traveling you know the ideas you won't have to worry about that. It does seem like apple and Google did a great job building a platform, but it doesn't look like it's going to be used well. And that. Go ahead. Lamar I was at what is it fear of the privacy concerns with those companies, or is it that if you have somebody to opt in to do something like this? They're not really going to do it. Unless you Kinda Ford like this is one of those things that I wonder. If it's better to have it on and in happy, we'll turn it off. They want because it's so important or does that raise more issues if we do that? I mean yeah, the that is the question. I, think, it's both I think there are just gut level privacy concerns, even if you understand that the apple google. Platform is incredibly privacy protecting. They did a very good job with that. There's just part of the idea of like. Do I want to be traced right? And there's also the delay of people saying. Oh, but I have to download ocal. Remember to do that at some point now. At some point, the Apple Google Platform will become an operating system option where it will prompt you like Hey, do you wanna turn this on, and you won't have to download an APP unless you get covid unless you. WanNa report that you've been infected. So there is that aspect of it that will likely increase adoption at least in the places they're using that platform, but again in the US only states using that platform. And I you know I there are probably some people would be fine with it, but most people don't want any government to like. This is mandatory. You have to do this. So okay, it's an often situation. In most cases, it seemed pretty cut and dry. How the up works how it supposed to help you stay safe, but it still requires people yeah to to act slightly differently than their routines, and that is such a hard sell for for people all over the world I. Mean it's tough as you can see by some of the poultry numbers of adoption in some of these countries, people are just sort of like. Is really going to help me like there's privacy issues. Look at Norway I don't want to do this dark. Nine twenty seven s in the twin jet says he thinks governments are upset with Google and apple because they won't give him the tracing because it's, it's secured on your device. There's no centralized then. That's certainly what's going on in France, but most European companies are using Apple Google. It's the US that's not really. Apple, Google, and in those cases they're not adopting anything. California doesn't even have an APP. They're doing manual tracing because they're like. That's where we want to spend our efforts and to be honest. Manual tracing does have better performance. The Act were only ever meant to be supplementary. I would. Answer that you said at the beginning that they should work together right now. One rules all so I agree with it. Well speaking of Apple the European Commission opened a formal investigation into apple's APP store and also mobile payment system policies. One investigation will look at the policy that requires APP makers to use apple's at payment system. spotify complained about the policy to the EU last year. And has? been pretty vocal about that. Raccoon filed a similar complaint over e Book Sales Back in March. A separate investigation will look into apple. Pay particularly the fact that it is the only tap to pay system that is allowed on Apple. Devices Apple doesn't want. Other financiers to be able to use NFC in their standalone APPs within IOS. Apple called the complaints, baseless and accused companies have wanting a free ride and quote play not play by the same rules as everybody else. Apple published a study Tuesday noting that the apple APP ecosystem generates five hundred nineteen billion dollars in bill in billions and sales worldwide, sixty one billion dollars is digital goods and services. That apple gets a cut of the rest of physical goods in advertising. That apple doesn't actually generate revenue from Yeah I. Feel like the study is a well timed to make it clear that apple's like look. We could make a lot more. It's well. We're doing. We're doing this to be better for the users, and that may be true. It could still be considered any competitive, even if your point is to do it for the users not to make money. There's an example out today. Base camp has a brand new email service called. Hey, that has. Not had its second version approved because the apple reviewers, and this is not just one Rivera got escalated say will you have a ninety nine dollars a year service and you're not offering it through the APP. You have to operate offered through the APP. You don't have to offer subscriptions to the reader APPs like kindle, for instance, but apple says an email. APP isn't a reader APP so. That's not going to help their their their cause any to have an email APP that is not being allowed in the store unless they force people to be able to buy a subscription through apple pay I really do think apple's not trying to be greedy here for money I, think they. They're just being stubborn about their rules like we're apple. We made the rules and this is how we wanted to work won't control of the system. And it makes you wonder in the. Taking apple here I wonder. Are they even that big in. Europe to make it an anticompetitive like you know they're. android seems to be more of a dominant thing. They're not. Really matter. They're big enough, but that's a fair point. Because android is particularly dominant in Europe, it's fair question. So folks you may have seen some headlines yesterday, or even today, saying that there was a massive denial of service attack on the United States Monday. You may have experienced outages from t mobile, or maybe even some other carriers not been able to get to websites like twitch. We had an outage in the middle. Stream the first part of of on twitch yesterday. Except, there wasn't Adidas Matthew Print CEO cloudflare explained on twitter why those coincidences and it is the definition of the word, a coincidence things that just happened to happen at the same time, but are not related. Do Not indicate a denial of service attack. CLOUDFLARE's the predominant provider of defense against DOS attacks. They have the data to look at this. And Matthew Prince explained that the t mobile outage was caused by configuration change that went badly leading six hours of cascading failures. That shouldn't happen. It doesn't happen that often, but it can happen, and it did bad news for T. Mobile. They had a horrible day that caused a lot of people to complain on twitter about not being able to get a particular site. Because maybe they didn't realize the T. mobile outage was happening here. We also had some other coincident yet. Unrelated outages like twitch. So suddenly you have a lot of people on twitter on T. Mobile, some not complaining about not being able to get to websites and the number of people complaining about popular sites, being down caused down detector to report those sites as down because down detector relies on twitter as one of its main signals, people on twitter don't necessarily know why the thing is down, but down detectable go. Hey, everybody's complaining the. The twitches down. Everybody's complained. The T.. Mobile's everybody's complaining that all these sites are down because they're T. mobile is out that lead to people looking at an attack map from arbor networks that seemed to show a massive attack and a lot of the stories that talked about this show. This attack map and it's got all these lines coming from all over the world into the United States and these Diaz. Obviously it's very clear from this map that the massive attack happening. Except for Prince, claim that Arbor which is a competitor to cloudflare always makes it look like that. It's a marketing measure to say hey. We protect you against these horrible de. Dos Attacks Look at them happening. Principles to screen shot of cloudflare data that indicated no denial of service attack was happening, and in fact, if you look at the Arbor attack map. Tuesday the day were recording this show. It shows the same massive attack lines as yesterday except today, all of those services we were talking about our up. So. This is just a lesson in. Be Extra careful. When you're assuming things and spreading information, because you can be part of the problem that causes down to technical report. Something down when it's not really. The way you line. This is amazing because I see it you know it all. It all comes from twitter people panicking I mean even so that I got on my group chat with my friends like are. Are you all down you? Our 'cause they're in different states, or whatever and you're know. What are you talking about? And I opened up APPs. They were fine. So what's really going on here and thank you for explaining that? So clearly that it was just was not what everybody thought it was. Yeah, and you're not alone. There were there were some other folks. I know no technology like you do. who were looking at this like Oh, man, there seems to be because the because Arbor's a legitimate source. It's just if you're not familiar with the fact that they always make their map. Look like that. It would stand out on the one day. You look at it for the first time right so. So. We should talk about Kamio briefly, so we talked about them. Okay I wasn't back to you. I was. We talked about cameo. The services that let you buy recording from a celebrity like me I'm kidding Cameo has now introduced cameo live, which lets you buy a Tim zoom call with the CELEB-. Now prices vary what the chat was skateboarder Tony Hawk costing one thousand dollars, an actor Jeremy Piven costing fifteen thousand dollars, and if you want him to insult, you like his character from entourage. It's probably even more as my guess. If you don't remember Cameos the one that you pay like a couple hundred bucks, and then you can get like some super celebrity like Jeremy Piven to send a video message, and it's a fun birthday present for somebody. I mean often not even that much money depending on the celebrity, but yeah. Usually, it's a novelty thing that you definitely see people doing no water reality. stars take advantage of this and I've I've had a reality star. Send me a wasn't a birthday message. It was like a merry. Christmas, or something and I mean I was floored. It was so funny and you know made my day, and she made the money and everybody was happy however. When okay so that kind of. Some of the stuff I always like have a testy relationship with because I never want to like feel like. I don't know people are being exploited. Too much and Cameos sorta walks that line a little bit. And it depends on who is the person who wants to talk to the CELEB- and why and all that stuff, so it's a little bit case, but the idea of getting on a ten minute. Call with a celebrity to me is like you know what if you have fifteen thousand dollars, and you want to talk to Jeremy Piven you go, but it kind of breaks down the fun of why social networking. Had allowed all of us to. Well all of us is I I. Have you know lots of people that I'm a fan of to be able to kind of be on level, playing field, and so maybe I selfishly unlike and I don't want to go back to the old days where you just saw them at A. You'd have to convention to meet somebody and pay for your entry ticket, or you had to watch their movie, and they'd never respond to you otherwise like it. It feels a little backwards. It's pretty expensive to now on the celebrity set their price. They're also coming out with something. Called Group chats where people pay a month to be the group chat with their favorite star or fancy so. There's a cheaper option I guess does like a description feed that sounds good. That one sounds a little more palatable, but yeah fifteen thousand dollars. For who is it again Jeremy Piven I mean even even just four hundred dollars. It's like you know wasn't the whole fun of all of this that we all could just follow each other. I mean unless you get locked for some reason for acting poorly like we were all kind of in this together like there's something about it. That just feels. It just doesn't feel right. It does feel little. Cameo is I I think the video grams are fine. You pay for someone to send you a video, but the last drink thing. Definitely seems excessive worth the premium alive conversation, not just a video message. I think that's worth money, maybe not fifteen thousand, but then people pay it if you're gonNA, four fifteen thousand dollars. You probably already have Jerry install number. On honestly I think generally says. I don't WanNa talk to anyone. Make It fifteen thousand dollars. No one will ever pay that. Great and the rest of us are like who's paying that turns out now one. BOSTON, dynamics has put itself balancing spot robot up for general sale after beginning leasing it last year spot has four legs and can be used for dangerous or mundane tasks the lot of stuff it's used to create three d maps of construction sites and survey for machine faults, and has more recently helped triage covid, nineteen patients and work with bomb squads as well spot can be customized with different sensors and custom programming its. Its latest Os spot two point Oh has advanced autonomy and navigation features and an update planned for later. This year would allow for a head mounted arm. Potential customers can take spot for a test walk with remote tell operation the license prohibits harmful use, so that's important, but almost any company could buy spot robot for seventy four thousand five hundred dollars, speaking of people who have a lot of change limit to purchase though. Plan for Jeremy Piven because I'm saying. Spot robot. Yeah, man I mean you only get to a I? Keep seeing videos of these in the wild and I assume Kinda like engineers taking him out for a stroll. There's one like famous one of a a spot in Golden Gate Park and it's funny. You see the way that people reactor like Oh, no, this is the beginning of the end because they walked so well and they look like animals they do. They look like pets. But the fact that something could be this precise to work in situations that humans really shouldn't be in is awesome. Like. Stop thinking that they're gonNA. Kill us all like let's let's let's to help them work for us. In hospitals I think it's already been tested, but I will remember back a few type thing we all at twenty, thousand and twenty twenty is to be where all that stuff. Happy you know where nurses won't have to be in those kinds of situations and. I'm like what's what's taking so long. Come on. Yes, the fact is most of these uses are like spot walks around a factory that's Kinda dangerous to walk around in for humans and checks gauges like there's so boring right in their actually use, but important important stuff. Hey folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to daily Tech Headlines. DOT, com. The Twenty Twenty Reuters Institute Digital News. Report notes that people are starting to rely on Instagram for news twice as much as they did. In two thousand, eighteen, particularly young adults of responded surveyed in forty countries more than a third of all people who answered the survey, said they use instagram and two thirds of under twenty five's. Said they use it. A two-thirds of under twenty five said they used it, so it's particularly prevalent in the under twenty five eleven, percent said they use it to get news, which is not that much, but growing and only one point behind twitter, which everybody thinks about as a place we get news turns out. Really it's journalists who think people use twitter to get news because most people are using. Using, the top three which are facebook, Youtube and WHATSAPP instagram's on the rise. Twitter's just kind of hanging out. However, only twenty six percent of people said they trusted social media as a source of information about the corona virus, particularly national governments news organizations were both trusted by about fifty nine percent, so it's interesting. People are using it, but they're using it warily now. The more I know you're you're. Fascinated with instagram and you've talked about the fact that you like before. How do you feel about it? Growing as a source of news information for folks. Inevitable I was surprised. Actually see this. I know during black lives matter movement. A lot of people were including myself. We're we're. We're able to see kind of videos and almost say real time, but life versus going on twitter. We see a lot of text, and you can kind of get lost in that. You know having that rich video or pitcher. Pitcher is you know a thousand words have if you as you're scrolling? was more powerful than that and going from then behind a young person with bank I could see that being very valuable for them. It was like okay cool. That's happening Do I see them? Following CNN or Fox or one of those on Instagram, as a young person probably not is probably more than a someone. Don't wants to influence her, but or or some group that light curates news little bit better for them. That you know like. Maybe I don't know some kind of channel do that. That might be better I I, don't I don't hear about people? Signing up to follow CNN on Instagram for instance but. It it definitely growing. It definitely surprises me more people WANNA have news on air, but with the. On under kind of make sense, they can put tune for minute clips or more about what's going on, people will watch it. You know when I first so. It's funny Tom when you had mentioned because of. So much of the the news that has been dominated all of our lives for the last couple of weeks. Particularly the you know protests after the murder of George Floyd and the fact that you were using twitter more than you had in a while. I kind of started to think about that to. Like looking at my usage because I wanNA be I. Turn on the TV and. Turn it off the Cable News. Just like doesn't work for me. Twitter I'm definitely using more some of the stuff I'm like who goes to facebook for news. Okay, a lot of people do a lot of people do I. Don't because, and it's not so much that well. There's definitely some misinformation you get that anywhere. It's more that I don't find facebook to me. Immediate enough for me. INSTAGRAM is more so, but I also feel. Feel like you know the whole kind of instagram experience for me. If someone shares a piece of news, it's like what are they screen shot in something without proper. You know like sources in or the link is in their bio, and that's all very clunky, but I hadn't really thought about the live aspect of it. And how much people are using that? Because I guess I'm I'm just not one of those people who's using it enough. Still Instagram is for things happening now. And you mentioned that I was using twitter to find out a lot of stuff a lot of times. What I was seeing on twitter were links to an instagram livestream to. livestream or or links to video post on instagram? Sometimes they were on twitter and twitter's got a lot of this. Going on to I think Roland S Martin has been streaming twenty four seven. The Guy had never seems to take a break. Just talking about black lives, matter and interviewing people spike Lee all these folks. That's on twitter, but a lot of that is happening on Instagram so once I thought about it. It didn't surprise me that people would turn to instagram right now for both the coronavirus and for black lives matter protests. To, say like okay. What's happening? And where is it happening? Because if you need someone to interpret it, then you want to read about it or you want to watch television source where someone's interpreting it, but if you just want to see it unvarnished like what is happening right now, instagram's actually really good for. My only complaint is. In line with Sarah is that? Linking like there's nothing in post again unless it's ITT polls which they need to really streamline that. Two separate things you can put a rich link there, but not on a regular postal. You're right and sourcing, and all that gets a little convoluted with instagram. Yeah, and that's why I think it's probably best for you know. I was at the March and here's here's my video or I'm I'm at the hospital and here's what's happening with the treatment live. You know that sort of thing. I think I think it's good for that. Well you know what works well link wise everyone who participates in our? Because Mitt stories you can vote on them and everything lendable, and it's all the daily tech new show, DOT, com or daily Tech. News, show, DOT, ready dot com. All right, let's check out the MAILBAG, oh. Let's do it, so we got a lot of feedback from our conversation yesterday. On the idea that people and companies in quite a few companies are supporting changing tech terms from something like master and slave to things like host and request. We also asked you how you feel better Patriot levels master and grandmaster, because those are levels that people do paid for and most folks seemed okay leaving those edits and we're happy, and if you have feedback and you have offered yet, please do. But we got an email from todd that I thought summed up nicely and he said. There are a lot of references to master teacher leader. That's what I think of. When I hear master a Master someone who has mastered a craft or skill or activity often, we'll have one or more apprentices who are learning the craft or skill activity from their master, their the teacher. A school has a headmaster. That's the person in charge. The elected person in charge of Masonic Lodge is the master of the lodge. The elected person in charge of many lodges is called the Grandmaster Chess has masters and grandmasters depending on skill level and then. There is grandmaster flash. Listen. I'm okay with this just. Want to be clear, anybody has any awkward silences. The I'M I'm literally fine with the the word master, and how was used I think todd nailed it. The issue that I've really never thought about. Be Honest with you. Is that when I was actually a building computers back in the day? Like yeah. Why is secondary drought called to slave? Drive it just. It just seemed like an unnecessary. Words, to us, so not necessarily offensive, but he didn't really know why. Why don't you think about that? That word is never in a good context. Yeah, yeah, exactly so it's just one of those things like Yeah I. Can the Master Wink Makes Sense. The other one is is weird. It just doesn't need to be a word that we. have to use anymore. They just secondary once about drives. We've been talking about slavery. Master drives anyway anymore. Host request. There's so many things that make it perfectly clear. And I know that. You suggested grandmaster as one of our Patriots titles because of Chess Lamar. Yes kind of like now retrofitting it to mean grandmaster flash say. You. I hear of millions speaking of master and grandmaster levels shouted to our patrons at our master and grandmaster levels including Tim. Deputy Kevin Has Morgan and Dander runaway Hankins also. Thanks to Lamar Wilson for being with us today on this fine Tuesday. Lamar always a pleasure Lennox north can keep up with the rest of what you're up to. You can find me primarily on Youtube Youtube Dot. COM Slash Lamar Wilson. I'm a big gaming enthusiasts. That's kind of what I'm talking about. Primarily I'm probably GonNa do something today. I wrote it up about the position five and that's my latest video, so you want to know. Follow more about some gaming stuff. Follow me. They're also instagram dot com slash Lamar. We'll talk about instagram. I'm more universal there and you can find all kinds of things. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for supporting us allowing us to keep doing this show every day. it. 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#SGGQA 108: Apple and Amazon, Ninja and Mixer, Cloudflare and 8Chan

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#SGGQA 108: Apple and Amazon, Ninja and Mixer, Cloudflare and 8Chan

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That's the game you we've you don't want these things happen then. We need to have more reasonable conversations about how can you how can you fix a phone and keep it running longer. How can we expect google to improve the situation for software updates <hes> the practices of making batteries increasingly difficult to remove from phones. That's a terrible business. Practice were watching you know even even top players like samsung putting more sticky adhesives on these battery packs l._g. In a handful of phones putting adhesives that it's more likely you'll bend the frame of the phone and actually removes the battery and of course following being the lead from a market leader like apple that is increasingly made their products more difficult to service so for whatever your feelings on the individual you know the party whatever the politician might be or you know the individual. This is a growing trend in our state of commerce in our state of consumer relations with mega corporations and mega online services if we can't convince them to police themselves themselves and to do business in a more responsible fashion the alternative is going to suck it will be bad if politicians get involved in electronics six video games online services content. It's always been bad when politicians get involved when there is some notion of political censorship or political design committee involved in this but the alternatives doing nothing and letting mega corporations do do whatever they want free of oversight or regulation is really bad that will be super bad. It will be increasingly worse for consumers. There's a as we look at the future of pollution climate change clean drinking water breathable air a whoa landfills full of toxic components because we're not getting after the proper recycling of this stuff. That's way worse that's way worse and we're going to have to deal with the fallout in the ramifications of those business practices because we haven't put enough pressure on these companies to do business in a more responsible possible fashion. That's a bummer like it's for consumers were literally stuck between a rock and a hard place. The situation has gotten so bad there. There isn't a good outcome. There's just a less awful outcome at this point which is rough from from a listener. We gotta have some rules like again. We've got to at least agree on some type of system where everyone leaving. The table from negotiating is probably pissed off. Charlie spirit song apple bulldozed their way with the way they designed their devices with non removable batteries not only that it's it's a part of a greater overall philosophy and i'm pointing pointing to apple specifically but it's something that the tech industry has been jumping on increasingly samsung is gonna be is going to be making that move this year with the note ten dropping the headphone jack look at those types of business practices brittle easily damaged materials glass back devices increasingly difficult to open in order to service more adhesives than things like screws popularizing the thinner basil's smaller perform factors batteries that way out wear out faster over time because of increased use faster charging the convenience in the moment but probably less longevity later on and then you get into some of the gimmicks like on samsung reverse wireless charging on way too <hes> is not as is good for the health of your device as just plugging in a cable you can go and get a five dollar u._s._b. U._s._b. cable if you're really worried about helping your friend charge their phone at the end of the night and plug that in and both devices will still be usable. Both devices will generate less heat heat wears. Here's out electronics and your phone will charge faster over the cable then over <hes> over reverse wireless charging so they've implemented a very expensive way to do something far poorer and it's worse for the life of the gadget than if you just go out and buy a five dollar cable and keep it in your wallet it so then we look at the headphone jack increasingly leaning on true wireless ear buds which i think can be kind of fun in certain situations and in sports applications. That's kinda china cool but what have we learned from apple airports. Will you keep air pods around as long as you would really good pair of sport cable ear buds and the answer is probably no we've seen from the first generation of consumers on air pods that they're already starting to cycle those out after about a year sure i have bluetooth cans like my <hes> my <hes> nokia nine. Oh fives are really old for bluetooth <hes> <hes> getting on like six years and they're still pretty decent. They lack low end. There's no base there. That's disappointing but the noise reduction is still well ahead of the curve for much cheaper solutions nations playing with bluetooth today. Those cans still get through a flight. I can't say the same. I can't say the same for tiny little the era bud solutions over the next couple years. That isn't really going to be a serviceable product. Air pods just become garbage every every year year and a half. You're probably gonna want to cycle those out at one hundred and fifty two hundred bucks a pop especially the wireless case which i'm sure the wireless battery in that case isn't going to degrade faster for using wireless charging. I'm sure it's totally fine because apple was really good about coming up with wireless charging tack right. They didn't fail fail at that mission at all so it's become an entire trend and we're selling dubious ideas of convenience so that you buy any more products that wear out faster over time so if that can't be fixed and if that can't be addressed and we can't course correct consumer behavior it it sucks but government will probably need to get involved <hes> kiwi mad dog for twenty watch. Just one air pods tear down video. I dare you i. I get really passionate about this stuff like. I just sent those dynamics over to l._f._a. I have high expectations -tations at those cans alaska while they have up to forty five hours of playback time on single charge years from now you should still be able to get reasonable runtime out of those headphones and they're low enough impedance. They work pretty well over cables and they're one of the few headsets i found that can also work over a u._s._b. Cable they become an audio device when you plug them in over u._s._b. See you can choose to charge them or to play them. Over cable that to me is sort of an exciting <hes> adaptation mixed mixed mode. <hes> capabilities cabled cable three point five millimeter cable u._s._b. And bluetooth all in one product that that that makes me excited that that is a product that will last long passed just a set batteries built into them increasingly. That's where i think like there could be some room in there. <hes> <hes> more traditional manufacturers sennheiser 's audio tecnicas ak jeez even ak g under samsung <hes> we should expect those those types of purchases to last far longer than how long we keep our phone not well after a year. They started only lasting like an hour so i just went out. Don't bought some more now. I'm gonna keep my phone around for three years but over those three years. I'll go through two and a half pairs of air pods like that's not okay. That's way worse generating that much waste so we need to make the notion of i spent a lot of money on these headphones but they're going to last me four your phone purchases. We need to make that more fashionable than just what's new today. Especially because audiotex doesn't cycle that fast asked. I have headphones from fifteen. I have a pair of headphones from twenty years ago that are still pretty decent because they were studio grade monitors back in the day and they still get the gig done today and i can swap out a cable. I can replace the ear pad cush. I don't think i can replace the european cushions anymore. I don't think they're made aid but i could probably make my own custom ear pads for him anyway. I digress <hes> we can be the tip of the spear there instead of texts in geeks techy gadget fans being sort of sycophants to whatever is the popular trend today we can be that tip of the spear you're that helps encourage a different type of consumer behavior in our circles family and friends and we can annoy the people around us enough off that we we do that properly but we can also be those folks that are the good tools and the access to some of this cool tack from our own personal experiences. I told you it just like a a a couple of weeks back getting to help my brother my sister my sister's husband and my mom all in one weekend using new phones playing with different ear buds with different headphones and they all walked away with the exact right solution for them and my mom is kicking butt on a one plus sixteen yeah. She loves that phone. My sister loves her pixel three. My brother loves his new headphones like they knew what they were getting into that. It was the right fit. We we can do that. We we can we can bring the joy of tech back to our families and friends kiwi magda kiwi mad dog for twenty doing it right. I have three pairs of headphones. <hes> that have lasted me ten plus years audio technica bear dynamic and costs all of them powerhouses <hes> the i pair of headphones that my dad got me were costs and again i look at my wife doesn't have the same kind of passion for for music and for audio. I wonder if those early experiences like even down to the costs had these cool volume wheels per year he could like. I need to hear what's going on and let me just mute one ear real fast. Okay now. I can go back in. I loved stuff like that again. I was so excited to <hes> to have my own headphones and my like my mom and dad would would walk into the living room and the cable really wasn't long enough for me to do much but i was plugged into my dad's like really nice stereo the head unit and i'm sitting there jam in listening to my terrible pop music at the time <hes> but i had my own koss headphones so i wasn't blasting that music all over the living room. It was pretty cool it from rostov l._a. Killed that review now. I need four hundred dollars to buy them. I just spend that much on back to school stuff for the kids. Yeah i mean that's another part of. It is nice stuff like that man. Those are premium purchases. There ain't nothing you know once you start getting into the three hundred dollar plus tier there's nothing casual about spending three hundred dollars on headphones but if we can start moving the needle on longevity and the notion that that's gonna be a product used over a much longer period of time that so that becomes a a healthier conversation than i spent one hundred fifty dollars on air pods upfront and that's cheaper than three to four hundred dollars for a nice pair cans and but the next year the the batteries were starting to great degrade so i had to replace them so maybe i just replaced one year like i use the right ear more than the left well. That's eighty dollars so now those hundred and fifty dollar air pods are like two thirty. Not you know what they just came out with. Air pods to the battery. Life is supposed supposed to be a little bit better. They supposed to connect a little bit easier so now let me flip on and over three years. You've spent three to four hundred dollars on air pods wireless charging accessories and stuff just to facilitate and a mediocre listening experience. That's built on a dubious notion of convenience. You can't even even control the volume on air pods that to me is kind of a deal breaker. Did that really work out better than spending four hundred dollars up front on really nice cans your own usage is gonna be the determining factor but for me that would be that would be a deal breaker. That would be a terrible way to buy audio products. I would be upset by that and q. Three becker good audio is getting cheaper been having so much fun playing with you know thirty. Two hundred dollars in ear. Monitors are a whole new generation of bluetooth bluetooth headphones from cheap manufacturers that now have active noise cancellation my daughter. My daughter's super checked out for a little kid. I it's it's gonna be a sad day when she realizes that like you actually have to buy this stuff you don't just get fun new toys but <hes> <hes> she's. He's got little kid bluetooth headphones. They're smaller sized on your bluetooth headphones that have active noise cancellation and parental volume controls so you can lock how loud they are and so <hes> when we take her out and you know like we <hes> we're like we're worried that you know we can maybe bribery with the video run an airplane. She's got her own kit. Now that's properly sized for her tiny adorable little skull so that kind of stuff is is pretty killer. I kiwi mad dog twenty. Super reviews is another good source. I absolutely i will second that super reviews making great videos on audio kit to steve. I know somebody oh guys a cool dude matt tyler. Some audio sounds like he has no idea what he's talking all right. This is <hes> this is our. We've we've long past are are halfway point. I was doing so good and you guys got me sidetracked on headphones real roy quick shoutout. I am pants on head excited. I've been running a little sub reddit an initiative to help better better promote smaller content creators or content creators that people feel deserve more attention. Maybe they're established but maybe the youtube algorithm is hammering in their channel and we've seen little bits of grow. I mean literally like two or three new subscribers per week but it's been growing more people are contributing contributing. More people are up voting a few more comments or being left and that that again it's i feel like this is the right time to be giving in. Those folks a push. We don't want the tech commentary landscape to be dominated by a couple youtube channels with millions of subscribers. We want to foster her a wider variety and a greater diversity of viewpoints and to have more nuanced conversations so i started the sub read it read it dot com slash slash rs slash glowing rectangles to be one source for that. Hopefully it can be a way to farm content to find content and then if someone's a smaller channel if video becomes popular ongoing rectangles. There's a greater chance of it being shared or distributed on another more popular sub read it and if you've ever encountered a youtube content creator sometimes your first big bump comes from someone sharing a video of yours on a popular sub read it but if you go and share your own video on our android they have very strict rules against self promotion so they create an echo chamber of people who only want to you share the most popular stuff just like on youtube but we can get around that you can share your own stuff ongoing rectangles but also encourage you to share other people stuff too. If you find something cool rule out there. Please let us know about it. These are the top stories on our glowing rectangles. Gonna go back in the screen share and drink a little bit more water. I'm super dry mouth today. It's crazy easy. Okay so these are the top. Three stories are glowing rectangles angles top story android auto twenty nine hundred twenty nine thousand update so much better than carplay coming by way of modern dad. I love this channel only fifty nine thousand subscribers. He should have way more subscribers than that but he takes a really great. Look at the update the updates to android auto. This is a story that i <hes> not a story. This is a topic that i want to see increasingly covered because i think distracted driving is another one of those hotbed political technology types of topics where we don't want law enforcement involved but driving around southern california is terrifying with so many people actively looking at their phones while operating motor vehicles on some of the busiest freeways as in the nation so great video highly recommend you check out his video and i just loved his commentary general kind of talking about things from a slightly older older perspective especially now that i'm trying to raise a toddler. These videos have become more valuable to me. I kiwi mad dog for twenty but he needs more dad jokes and i agree all right moving right along near and dear to my heart being a big fan of l._g. We've got painfully honest tack. We got jason the j. t. l. talking about the l g v fifty reviewing the phone that is not getting a a lot of commentary because of the way that five g. is rolling out but l._g. V fifty review. Why is no one talking about this phone l._g. Is gonna make probably one of the most competitive galaxy competitors that was somewhat redundant statement <hes> but it's not going to get a lot of commentary because l._g. Is focusing on talking about this phone for reviewers in markets where five g. is rolled out so by the time five g. starts hitting some of these as other communities will probably be into early twenty twenty or middle twenty twenty so going back to talk about a v. Fifty is gonna feel sort of awkwardly awkwardly out of time. This is a great video because we're sorta topical on a phone that you can probably pick up in any market right now and maybe there. Here's a question someone might be having about. Should i get the fifty now and then be five g. ready for when my area gets five g. or should i hold off entirely and just wait until other products are out there and that's a really fair question even if you like l._g. Products i would have a hard time answering that because personally. I'm super happy with my g eight and i've been very skeptical about five g. being this great improvement for for cell phone networks so i'm inclined to lean towards wait and see by if you were curious about what this phone can do. Jason takes a pretty good look at it so that's the second <hes> top video on our glowing rectangles tangles and wrapping up mob bay t._k. Bay doing a whole breakdown on a crazy roese collection of osmo pocket accessories a glass protector smartphone holder jimbo away to fully kitted out your phone to be a production ready assembly for a product like the osmo so if you wanted to get into some of logging you wanted to get into some mobile content production reduction some very inexpensive tools make this a lot easier last week. We talked about a reviewer who was trying to shoot a short film on the experienced one and was using janke tripod and mount accessories from a decade ago. That's not how you would really try and use this stuff stuff and then you see what t._k.'s playing with shooting with a d._j. I- osmo pocket and that stuff looks really cool the i mean just like attaching an osmo pocket to a phone on kimball on a phone mount on a guerilla pied like oh. That's really cool ooh i. I get really lit up about stuff like that. I i'll have of that e-bikes video out this week and i shot almost all of it on the g eight and you're like i'm shooting for video sixty frames per second four k. video on a phone. Oh i need better mounts. I need veteran accessories but this is real good so yeah <hes> top three stories are glowing rectangles t._k. Bay <hes> painfully fully honest tech modern dad the number. Four story is some jerk talking about the one plus evan pro and he wears a flat cap. I dunno. I hate his face. <hes> increasingly we're seeing some really cool <unk> commentary. We're seeing some really fun. Content being shared to arguing rectangles and one of the reasons why i'm so so excited to do the the rundown ongoing rectangles this week is because we officially broke four hundred members were at four hundred into at the time of this podcast and again. That's been growing two or three subscribers a week but we're seeing so much more activity. We're seeing so much more commentary and for only having four hundred subscribers top stories are getting more than a dozen up votes regular seeing six to seven up votes commentary on cameras terry warfield sharing thoughts on the sony seven three by shooting a little kids football <hes> viper talking about the galaxy tab six and again. You're always gonna get an entertaining video out of viper. We've got a jabber tech looking at some bluetooth tracking kit and how to install firmware on on an aces router. <hes> channel had never seen before. I actually need to subscribe to it. This geek geek geat talking about a college a college attack. You know the best accessories and computer products for going back to school. A new egg popped up with a liquid cooling guide de nimin hand-held and tripod smartphone phone mounds watch before you buy lots of commentary and what's really gratifying what i find to be the most successful successful aspect of glowing rectangles all the top stories all the most voted up stories. None of them were iphone eleven seven or galaxy note ten this last week. No one got voted up for milking rumor in leaks stories. There's other news happening not just playing into the crappy youtube popularity algorithm where every video has to be about the galaxy note ten or the iphone eleven right now other stuff is happening and we should be paying attention to it and over the summer the right time to also explore experiment with less popular tech topics but again if you do that too heavily on youtube. Your channel gets punished for it so now's the right time. Go out and support your local content creator. If you've got someone that you hope to see more attention more videos and more traffic to their videos the checkout are glowing rectangles as one <hes> as one resource to help share and to <hes> to help spread better content but then also be an active participant a passive view is great for just your general channel metrics but liking schering finding the appropriate communities to promote their content makes <unk> a huge difference for content creator and helping them grow their channel grow their commentary and it gives you more cool stuff to watch if you like coaching this stuff. Actively participating is gonna be way healthier forgetting more cool stuff that you might wanna check out so i read it. Dot com slash are slash glowing rectangles see if you can become part of the next hundred org four hundred subscribers members on the channel and i guarantee you if you if you haven't been watching the channel so far now it'd be a great time to jump in because has there's a lot of good stuff getting posted to that sub reddit right now and people. You've probably never seen before. That's fun. We should like like that so thank you so much and abraham artists four twenty almost there i will celebrate the four hundred twentieth subscriber to <hes> glowing rectangles since i live in an area where it is legal to do so so good times all right <hes> some some fairly heavy <hes> no. This is actually fairly light tech commentary. I wasn't really struwer sure how he felt about this but i felt like there was something in the air zeitgeist on influencer sort of communications the gaming industry and then also just the changing attitudes on platforms in services. I recently moved my podcast from youtube youtube twitch in i i it's only on twitch <hes> but you know it's it's i make no bones about the fact that it's easy to find my podcast a cast on other platforms and the audio version of my podcast too but one of the big news topics over this last week was a ninja ninja and extremely popular <hes> twitch which streamer kind of set the stage for or i think kind of set the set the tone for how a variety the of content can be produced surrounding popular video gaming trends especially a battle royale video gaming <hes> <hes> i i think one of the biggest rises in his popularity coincide coinciding with the rise of fortnight <hes> he was one of the streamers most responsible for breaking saying a breaking news and early streams on apex so it was pretty big news when it was announced he would be leaving leaving twitch and then moving over to microsoft's competitor mixer and so <hes> let me go into screen share here and this is coming by way of venture beat and ninja hasn't missed a beat on mixer <hes> written up by jeff grubb. Ninja is live streaming exclusively on the twitch which competitor mixer <hes>. Maybe you've heard so far it appears that big move hasn't slowed him down in a post on twitter tyler. Ninja blevins revealed that his mixer channel has over five hundred thousand subscribers he also has he also has nearly six hundred fifty thousand followers since launching his first stream on the platform on friday over the weekend in july streamed himself primarily playing fortnight live from the lollapalooza music festival in chicago. Those broadcasts attracted more than three point eight million viewers in total and he regularly had sixty to one hundred in two thousand people watching at any one time. This is right in line with his typical audience size on twitch. It seems fair to say that much of his audience has followed him over to mixer at least in these early days so i would like to know what it what do you think the over under. What do you think the ballpark was is the cap the deal. How much money do you think microsoft put under his nose to make that transition from twitch to mix her. I'm gonna say probably probably in the ballpark of thirty million dollars. I think i think ninja makes that move it around thirty mil what i completely guessing. I have no evidence to to support any of this as any kind of an assertion. I am pulling a number out of the air. Was it something a little bit more. I gotta logical and then that's my guess i would say thirty million dollars is the <hes> is the going rate for getting an influence at that tier over to a new platform three point eight million views is insane gene. We're in this climate right now. Where influence or marketing is is taking a nosedive and as someone who doesn't like to be an influence her in really likes doing more nuanced tech commentary. I couldn't be happier. It seems to be coming with a generational improvement movement to media literacy where obviously a you know. Popular instagram irs will remain popular but we've seen sort of a trend and a growing trend in people that are a little bit more discerning about the kind of content that they get out of these social services in how likely they are to be influenced by a someone famous holding up product in a in a tweet and then going. Oh i would like to also be like that famous person on that product but that doesn't mean can we haven't completely walked away from the notion of entertaining commentary from someone who does that very well. Fostering some notion of community. What i think is interesting is for for all of the the money being exchanged one of the major ager aspects of ninja moving to mixer from from ninja zone. Commentary is a return to the basics. I think i follow follow ninja very passively always reacting to news about mitch <hes> ninja more than i am really seeking out or watching content live but you now i caught a couple of streams in sort of these later days on twitch didn't seem to be an individual who really enjoyed interacting with that community on twitch wjr and seemed to be well into the grind of being famous and popular on twitch and fulfilling the obligations of supplying content feeding platform. That's something i can definitely appreciate. That's something i can commiserate with with a much smaller than what it can generate but in the grind israel you know regularly trying to produce and promote content and edit videos and engage on social media and weed out bad actors in your comments and it's it's it's heady stuff. It's it's difficult to keep up with. It's exhausting and so making the move over to mixer ninja himself kind of seems to be taking this as an opportunity to get back to basics and get back to the things that he enjoyed enjoyed doing which makes for more compelling more entertaining content for his audience. That seems like a healthier outlook on how to engage in twenty-first-century first century media saturated environment where someone's popularity can explode the counter to that in i. I don't have it in the show notes right now. I'll try to add it to the show notes. If i can remember <hes> if you can recall some of the earlier internet memes you might remember <hes> a young woman doing <hes> overly obsessed girlfriend a just a a momentary. The internet spasm of popularity on a couple of key images helped a young this young woman build sort of a fun entertaining youtube channel well she recently put out a video talking about walking away from youtube for good over concerns over her mental health issues with depression and was very public in sharing video diaries that were never made public before as she struggled with <hes> self image and with fulfilling her obligations to a community and of constantly being involved in the grind of trying to produce promote new content and she has eventually come to the conclusion that it's healthier for her to walk away. Even though she had an extremely successful youtube channel which we all would think would be the dream you know to have that kind of media platform into have that kind of access and to be generating that kind of money doing something that we think we would love then it becomes a job so the one thing i can hope outside of just the money shenanigans and how much people made and whatever whatever dollar amount how you got ninja to move over to mixer. There's a community of people that seem very interested in following his off and so i hope a move like this is a refreshing change of pace and a return to making the kind of content that made him popular in the first place in that he doesn't find himself in a place ace where he implodes that i hope that that's what this is leaning towards because this is sort of one of those last areas where are influencers for how toxic that term has become serve as a rallying point for people who enjoy content on the internet they they serve as a figurehead for a conversation or a community and i don't necessarily think that that's a that's a bad thing i think in many respects that can be very a good thing for a community of people to engage to meet other like-minded fans of similar topics in similar <hes> similar properties and i think it would suck for them. If someone like <unk> mix <unk> someone like a ninja got burnt out and became acidic riddick and then his community sort of followed suit. If he's back to being the guy who's doing wacky dances for for his subscribers and you know trying to mimic replicate his fortnight fortnight victory dances that i i think would be better for the overall community that follow him so i'll. I hope that's what we say but again. I'll probably only be passively in interacting getting with ninja on mixer in the same way that i only sort of passively found ninja content on twitch so we'll we'll have to see pardon the interruption here but i need to plug another podcast. I'm working on with my buddy. Andrew geek book club is a monthly podcast which is also an online book club which should not come as a surprise given the name of the podcast we pick a book we read it and then we talk about it and you can also join the conversation. If you want a good good geeky chat about your favorite geek literature join andrew wallace and i every month on the geek book club available on itunes google play and other fine podcasting casting services. Oh fat produce finally decided to join the live chat on this podcast. His meeting went long. Everyone say hey andrew welcome to the show. Oh i'm telling you andrew you. Gotta get a better job. Man got to have a job that does not interfere with being able to watch my podcast. It's probably better for all of us so there's there's there's the gig gary the firemen thirty million dollar prize money for the fortnight world. Cup companies are throwing money at these kids and that's another thing too <hes> with new egg. I'm gonna try and pitch either a video or a series of editorials israel's on burnout <hes> because right now e. sports is the wild west. It's an exciting vibrant new community for a lot out of consumers not really experienced with how popular video gaming professional video gaming has been across the rest of the world but were increasingly seeing younger and younger people being thrust into the limelight with extreme expectations on them where they have to operate mentally at a very high level for very long periods of time time over tournaments that last multiple days and that's dangerous. It's dangerous interest for mental and physical health. You know again like if you were a go player or a chess player. You have to operate at a pretty high level <hes> but you also don't have the expectations of also like running game streams and hosting tournament style play for for your practice as as often as as you will have to show up four tournaments <hes> we've got to take a look at how how do we build our entertainment and then how do we sustain our entertainment <hes> at least now better late than unemployed one leave andrew loan. A fat produce makes me feel like kids. Don't get a chance to grow up with all this crazy money getting thrown around in the competitive gaming space and i would also be very concerned because man and it feels good when you see that story of like sixteen year old fortnight player is now able to buy his mama house dislike like toddlers and tiaras now. Are we going to have a bunch of parents like oh. My kid likes to play the video games. Let's see if we can make them a pro gamer. You know well if the kid is an already leaning that way will we see parents pushing children into these types of applications like certain parents pushed kids into sports us or indeed pageants or into academics in a way. That's unhealthy got a lot of stuff to figure out because i think that a lot of that behavior is synonymous automates. It doesn't really matter if it's a video game or if it's you know a beauty pageant toxic is toxic and if the parents don't have a good handle on how to deal with this stuff then the kids have every <hes> <hes>. There's every opportunity for a kid to be harmed. Abraham abraham artem is not everyone can be an athlete all right so <hes> the last this is the beginning and this is the heavy and it kind of takes us back to where i started this whole podcast off just talking about some of the things that went down recently <hes> to <hes> disturbing terrorizing events involving mass shooters el paso in dayton ohio and a pretty visceral response it to a tech outlet that is involved in the dissemination of pretty pretty ugly rhetoric and again where our responsibilities lie in the tech community and that we don't have. I want to preface this by saying i don't. I don't think i have a good answer. I don't think i have any good solutions to offer the tech community and i would be skeptical that anyone has a solution at an easily describable solution for the type of media <hes> distribution that we see today in various online forums and communities. I don't think facebook has been able to solve this problem problem. Google has definitely not been able to solve this problem and so i find it dubious that we would be able to flip a switch and fix this problem with with smaller media and website distribution <hes> solutions so while i bring the story up and while obviously honestly i was a bit emotional just describing all of this stuff and i will probably get a little bit emotional again. I really do need to preface that. I don't believe that this is a liberal or conservative kind of conversation. I feel like this is an ongoing narrative that needs to be addressed with new he wants and that any actions that have been taken today still need to be followed through with continued observation and with more narrative and conversation as we go through the evolution of our online online content and services so i am i am obviously pointing to cloudflare and their relationship their relationship elation ship with eight chan me go into the reuters article first cloudflare terminates eight chan as customer on hate-filled content and they've got notes from the c._e._o. From the article on reuters u._s. cybersecurity firm cloudflare on monday said it it would terminate online message board eight chen as a customer after a gunman used the messaging forum prior to killing twenty people at a walmart store in el paso on saturday. The gunman is believed to have posted a four page statement on h. N. and called the walmart attack a response to the hispanic invasion of texas police in the philippines where h is hosted told reuters they were investigating the messaging board but rana unable to give details such as when the inquiry began and what prompted it <hes>. I'm not gonna talk about this suspect who <hes> engaged in the event but we <hes> reuters has linked to the cloudflare blog where there is a direct statement from the c._e._o. And and we're going to switch over to that on the screen chair so this is written by matthew prince <hes> was published this morning. I my time very early this morning and <hes> the title of the blog. This is new dot blog dot cloudflare dot com com terminating service h._s._e._n. The mass shootings in el paso texas and dayton ohio are horrific tragedies in the case of the el paso shooting and the suspected terrorist gunmen appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as h. an based on evidence. We've seen it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before we're beginning his terrifying attack on the el paso walmart killing twenty people unfortunately this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on eight chan before the terror attack in christ's church new zealand the el paso shooter specifically reference to the christ church incident and appears to have been inspired hired by the largely on moderated discussions on h._m._o. Which glorified the previous massacre in a separate tragedy the suspected killer in the poetry california synagogue shooting synagogue shooting also posted a hate filled open letter on eight chen eighteen has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate. This is a long long blood blog post <hes> where matthew prints at cloudflare discusses what they hope to have happened next <hes> their legal obligations and their relationship with the first amendment their obligations to their community so i would. I would strongly recommend reading through this entire piece. It's very safe. It's very corporate by i. It's public record and it's a part of the conversation we need to have publicly that we need to have as part of the public record because i think increasingly this will be how we grade and judge services this is to come and it needs to be tackled with a wealth of information and with nuance when sooner pichai testified before and oversight committee. It was over two hours of discussion between a tech <hes> tech c._e._o. And elected officials and our media distill instill that into two embarrassing quotes from old republican house members when there was a lot of substance to that conversation and some concerning insights into how google does business into how google handles some of these divisive topics online how they claim to be against censorship and then also have to police the content that is distributed on their platforms cloudflare flare is not in the same position will not have the same light shined on them has google nor will any other website hosting or or blog hosting services but as our industry continues to wrestle with these instances with these topics with these these communities having a public record gives us the baseline for accountability and it gives us a starting point for for grading how well these organizations these communities and law enforcement can deal with <music> content with communities. We might find objectionable. We need to be paying attention to this and we need to be sharing these types of conversations stations. We need to be engaging and we need to be looking towards solutions. Ultimately we're talking about private corporations that run on top of largely publicly funded infrastructure but because they're private corporations. We don't have have the same obligations. We don't see the same obligations towards freedom of speech in american first amendment sense especially especially once that speech is disseminated across the globe in their other expectations from other local governments has to house speech should be moderated or how speech should be censored. This is really difficult stuff there is i don't believe we can find and easy solution to this stuff. We will continue to wrestle with it over time my own personal commentary not reflecting anyone i've ever worked for the main aspect that i feel will become important towards the future discussions regarding tech companies again because this is tech politics podcast. We need more evolved regulation where a platform like facebook can't have it both ways currently media distribution companies and website hosting companies companies have been able to hide behind some protections where they are not responsible for the content that goes up on their services but increasingly especially indicator to advertisers they are able they have shown more willingness to censor content they find might harm from their reputation with advertisers and with companies seeking to do business with them and that hurts their bottom line again there is no oh easy solution here and there is no convenient editorial that i can deliver for this situation but but i do believe we need some of their classification regulatory classification or some other involvement from regulatory agencies so that a company like facebook can't have it both ways hiding behind just distribution when it's convenient to them being able to control the editorial narrative on their platform when it's profitable for them we need something else or or we need to break those media conglomerates up so that you have a facebook news which can be eh distribution and you can have a facebook commentary which can be editorial and it's not so easy to game the the distribution the algorithm that people interact with to get content served to them. I don't know what that looks like. I don't know how we get there and i don't even know that it would work even if we could but we do need to try so that's that is my main takeaway from cloudflare doing something publicly convenient something that folks were howling for on social media family members of mine who were not really very tack interested learning about a service like chan and its relationship to mass shootings and screaming at <hes> cloudflare to do the right thing and remove them to d platform them from their from their <hes> services. Increasingly family people care about this stuff increasingly it matters so that's why we in the tech community. We have to try lastly. I don't there there are so many wonderful comments in in in the life feed right now and there's a part of this conversation which is which is veering off to talk about things like gun ownership and <hes> you know assault weapon bans and i feel here in the united states. There's a lot of scapegoating right now. We have a conservative of presidential administration that wants to lay the blame on video games. I feel that's inappropriate. I feel there's not a lot of good science to suggest suggest that playing violent video game is more likely to trigger individual who already is facing mental issues issues to become outwardly violent away from the keyboard away from the game controller but it's a convenient narrative that we fallen back on since violent video games have become more realistic in their depictions of violence so i i understand it from the left. There's going to be call for stricter gun policy and there's data on the effectiveness of some laws and there's data on the assault weapons ban during the clinton administration and what happened after they they let the ban expire and that's one part of this conversation. One part of this conversation were people screaming at cloudflare two d platform eight h._s._e._n. And another part of this conversation will focus on things like health care and scapegoating mental health or being overly reductive reducing the conversation to wow just screwed up kid bat apple. We have a stomach problem in our society here. In the united states that needs to be addressed on all fronts. Unfortunately i think every single community the of video game fans of firearm enthusiasts of tech and gadget fans people in and heavily invested in online forums and communities. I think it's gotten to that point where we all need to contribute to part of the solution and it all needs to be a part of the conversation everything needs to be nothing should be off the table. We want to talk about mental health. We need comprehensive health care reform that is easily and affordably accessible to everyone with a heavy focus on <hes> mental healthcare. We need to talk about education and we need to talk about media literacy. <hes> we need to better fund schools and provide counseling tools tools in schools to help better prevent these types of of tragedies from brewing at younger ages. The video game industry probably needs to have a conversation about re educating consumers as to what is age appropriate content. I personally don't believe leave. Video games contribute directly in the way that <hes> the g._o._p. Is trying to link violent video games to mass shootings but they also need to be a part part of the conversation in especially in making sure that we aren't desensitizing children to grownup concepts. Everything needs to be on the table because right now pointing the finger and yelling and getting really angry and posting diatribes lives doesn't do anything we expend a ton of energy and a ton of effort trying to scapegoat someone someone else someone else's passion is responsible for this. It's not mine and so were in this echo chamber of blame and nothing ever gets done. We had to mass shootings in one day. We had a mass shooting inspired by horrific xenophobic someone from outside the community of el paso drove hours into el paso because of his fear of hispanics and latinos who occupied occupied texas long before texas was a state. My family is pretty long lived here on this continent onto my family predates the united states that dude needed a history lesson. He needed better history education and he probably wasn't going to get it in texas. Unfortunately so <hes> we all need to unfortunately be a part of this conversation so that we can all be a part of the solution but it also means that we're all probably not gonna be happy with the early steps towards working together so that's my take on it. I hope to be a part of the solution. I i don't know how i don't know what i can do. I'm angry and upset but while i've got this energy and while i'm angry and upset i <music> i'm searching on the internet a lot more about where i can put that energy and where hopefully that energy will have a positive outcome so i hope you'll join me on that too. Sorry he's gotta take a breath breath. I got <hes> i. I have a question here <hes> came in by. I didn't mean to save this to the end. I i kind of knew that the end of this podcast was gonna cause going to be a bit heavy but when i get fun questions i've been wanting to incorporate them more into the podcast so i don't have have a good transition on so i apologize like moving from really heavy emotional topics. Let's talk about gaming being laptop offs but it's so terrible. I have to drink some water. There's a wonderful outtake casey kasem where he it's like the only time you've ever i heard casey kasem pissed off <hes> he's got like an immemorial right into top of the pops and it shuts him down. It's like the the only time you've ever heard this beautiful classic voice of of radio like pissed off because he's like why are you you doing this to me. I've got to go right from talking about someone's dead grandmother immediately into talking about someone's dumping. It's it's awful but it's also kind of hilarious so that's exactly what has happened to me here. Because i do want to bring up this this question this came by way of patriots on a longtime contributor for this podcast currently in the live chat right now mr aditya and they'll just recently joined my <hes> my patriot page a part of that community and and he added question and i wanted to put it out there and hopefully also get some comments <hes> that maybe he can check in on later but if anyone had a suggestion for the live chat. I wanted to pull this up right now. <hes> i have a query. My laptop has been messing around. I have a mac book twenty twelve and although i purchased it three three and a half years ago the software has frequently been messing up and i'm now considering a new laptop and i could use your help. My budget is eight hundred to nine hundred dollars. Nine hundred is really stretching his budget but he could go up to nine hundred. My workload is heavy web browsing a little amateur video editing. I was on final cut pro but i'm willing to learn after effects. Facts are other recommended software and photoshop work. I don't really mind if it's a bit heavy as i won't be moving it around very often but i do need ports. I need ethernet <hes> h d u._s._b. A and hopefully faster u._s._b. Data port like a u._s._b. Three <hes> three dot one gen two or gen two dot two or whatever they're calling it now and i do need to move it around but it will be mostly hooked up to an external monitor and plugged into a charging socket. I would appreciate your device so so again as someone who's been a a wonderful contributor to my podcast he's regularly in the live chat and then also a just again seeking out some good information from other people who are <hes> who are sort of tech savvy the first thing that came to mind for me in that sub nine hundred dollar price tier would have been something like an a. susa gaming laptop some of the more entry level products there. I i think come in at around eight fifty like a seuss tough to you f- <hes> would have probably a decent last gen quad core intel probably probably a reasonable amount of ram somewhere around eight to sixteen gigabytes of ram but then also will likely come with a dedicated g._p._u. and gaming laptop still typically typically have all the ports so you have video out some type of ethernet jak and u._s._b. U._s._b. ports so if there are any other recommendations. Are i know immediately someone when asked does it need to be a laptop. <hes> so <hes> you know that that could also be a very important question if an ill is able to <hes> <hes> to contribute to some of that but especially while i'm trying to kind of wrap up the last little bits of this podcast if you have any suggestions <hes> brand specific products and something where you can can kind of land under nine hundred dollars because he said nine hundred dollars would really be pushing his budget so let's see if we can find something under that and i don't know what kind of of tax or vat or import shipping fees he might need give them a little bit of a window there mike i thought a seuss tough good place to start reasonable notable <hes> brand reputation good support. I know they're usually pretty easy to service. If you have a problem where you wanna swap out a component like an s._s._d. And i've had a lot have interactions with some of the p._r. Team especially j._j. For a sous motherboards i've talked to him a lot so i think that would be a good place to start. That's a good place to start. If you've got some other recommendations or some other things that he can check out. Please please drop some comments because it is a good dude and we can't have him trying trying to work on an old mac book. Come on you can do better than that. All right folks so. I think that's gonna do it. <hes> i've got some other content coming out on the channel. The the e bike ride that i took from with the fuel fluid is going to be out this week. I'm going to be doing a follow up on some wearables. <hes> <hes> smartwatch that i really really like <hes> which i recently did a video out on <hes>. I'm going to have a more the the last part of that review out on that smart watch this week. I'm hoping fingers crossed. I don't know if it's gonna happen but i really wanted to. One of my most viewed videos on instagram was azi this year when i got to try on the focal by north their glasses with a little heads up display kind of similar to like google glass but they don't look terrible you don't look like a board on your face and they don't have a camera which i i don't care about having a camera bolted to my face <hes> but it's all about sort of augmented reality heads up display notifications in small all bits of information right at i level. I just got an email from their p._r. Team that they have a pop up store here in los angeles l._s. through wednesday so that you can go down. They can put them on. You can try them out. I would love to get better video of using being a wearable heads up display device and that on glasses that don't look terrible so if you suddenly see my youtube videos where i'm wearing glasses as i have very good vision for dude my age i do not need any type of corrective lenses. I will happily happily happily wear fake glasses to give me better smartwatch style notification access. I level so i am hoping being so much. I'm going to be replying to their emails soon. As as soon as i'm off this podcast that i can make it down there considering if i can. I'm going to try and do like a live stream <unk> of some kind. Maybe <hes> you know periscope or twitch. Maybe i'll just dream it straight to to do an i. R. l. <hes> but i would be very excited to go more the hands on the little brief demo that i got the e._s. I got emotionally excited about the future of wearable computing again. Were google glass screwed us for years. The fallout from glass holes messed us up for years. This looks like a product that could start getting us back on track and that i'm very excited about so. Hopefully that'll be out on some type of uh platform that i'm currently on. Why don't we say if i get if i get a chance to do it on twitch. I don't know if i'll get to follow me on twitter all say on twitter if i'm going to be on twitter so and it'll be really rough. I'm not going to be looking to like fully produce video. Look from pop up store but i i wanna share what it's like. 'cause it if it is like the c._a._s. Experience it'll be about trying to get them fitted going through a tour of all the features there's and being able to get a little bit closer hand but without all of the c._a._s. Show floor stuff happening around me being nice a much nicer way to get a look at it because this to me moves the needle on future services and future technologies way more than like a folding phone might this to me is an exciting exciting where way that we could take services off of our phone but still stay connected and sean digs tech great point. Mr mobil did a great review on these a second review review would be awesome definitely so why i'm so excited about the potential here. Go watch that mr mobile video michael fisher's always on point but to me. This is where we get to be futurists again. Not just what smartphones popular should you buy. Shouldn't you buy worth it not worth it <music>. I'm leaving apple. I'm going back to samsung. Let's talk about the future. Can we get excited about future tech again and that's what i'm really hoping we can pull off elliot's to twitter sure. I've said that so many times i'm going to be on twitter twitched her. <hes> i get so tongue tied on trying to keep all that straight so so <hes> folks thanks so much for watching thanks so much for participating tons of content coming out gaming headset coming out smartwatch coming out <hes> oh camera tech back one plus seven camera review in some experience cameras samples are going to go into the patriots on lots of stuff to talk about. I am scrambling to keep up with has it all but i've had so much fun getting to dig into a greater variety of stuff and having a community onboard to join that conversation is what what makes it all worthwhile so thank you for being part of this journey to if you're catching this podcast after the facts please consider a hitting your favourite podcasting adding service and giving this podcast a review or sharing it with anyone that you think might appreciate this kind of long form tech conversation. I like spending spending some time working through our feelings on these types of tech topics and i appreciate the fact that so many of you are willing to join me on these conversations because i think they're are important and i'm happy to find other people also think they're important. You know you can find me around the rest of the internet <hes> some gadget guy dot com com twitter twitch instagram kind of on facebook some gadget guy the you tubes one bag now. 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