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LSU! Clemson! National Championship Preview!

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LSU! Clemson! National Championship Preview!

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Hopefully not the titanic. Hopefully not the tele. Maybe somebody may be the titanic this game but I don't know what it is because today's show is dedicated to the National Championship match-up between Lsu and Clemson. And I guess Matt Rule for the Carolyn. We're actually GONNA spend time talking about that but my heart is beating on my blood sugar feel super out of why it is as you said when we connected up that you were feeling a little bit of a blood sugar spike. I don't know I just I I. I do feel a good amount of excitement about this match. That is that is honest to God the truth. You're getting favors here. I am. I okay enjoyed watching both of these teams. I think probably Lsu more so this season because of their the games they actually played in the opponents that they had but it was a pleasure to watch both these teams in the In the semi-finals. But I just I also I don't no. I mentioned this on twitter but I got even more excited watching. There's a Youtube Channel It's run by a guy named Murph Baldwin. Yeah I sent this to you. Yeah I I mean I think it's top billin baby I am. He's coming on in the off season he doesn't know it yet. But we're GONNA invite it doesn't know it yet but he does a fantastic job doing XS and os stuff with college college football so if you like that sort of thing with video top billin is the move to make But that guy's got that got me even more excited about this matchup so here we are tie here. We are here we are. You're welcome one. Welcome all now if you're just joining us for the first time. Yeah I'm tie. He's Dan we did three episodes every a week all throughout the season. We may Tuesday episode the one that dropped on Tuesday. We call the TWOS crews normally. We do Sunday and Wednesday Sunday. We'd recap Wednesday. I guess Thursday we drop the show. We would preview the coming weeks games but nestled in between we had a little show. We called the twos cruise. Which of course was cheesy in that? It was very nautical themed but we come at it. We fully committed Marty Smith style to the bit right and Alas we could think of no better time to do another twos crews then on this very special occasion it is the bull bars right. That's we're calling this. It's it's sort of an abbreviated twos crews. Yeah it's all that I don't know how long the show is going to go. But Yeah we're still sticking with the bowl barge and I I suppose suppose we have a sound that we do you want no dog chair pitcher. If you believe in the blind bengals please exit portside if you're Bubi Moore's ex stormer the dark horn. There's the dark horn so so it is one of those fun match. UPS were both are the Tigers. If you WANNA be cheeky about it and pick the Tigers to win By all means go for it. We're going to do our best here over the next forty five minutes or so to cover as many angles as we can. We're GONNA do so in as much as we can. In as has nautical themed away as we can because alas we need to stick with our twos crews theme if only one more episode yes can we you think this is an old radio term but can we reset yet I want. I want to start from the beginning Because these two teams have had had very different paths to this point Neither better nor worse but I want to start here. What was your opinion of each of these teams preseason and how how much if at all did that opinion evolve well the Lsu one is is far easier because headed into the season? I was very skeptical Very skeptical that all this rigmarole we heard about on the offensive side of the ball MHM WAS GONNA prove legit and I believe my point when we previewed the SEC. West back in like August whenever was was just that how. How many times have we heard this before that? LSU is going to revamp its offense. We'd heard time and again that they they know the talent they know they they. They know. That's the one missing piece piece. I need to modernize need to modernize right and certainly there was a fair amount of skepticism. When at order on took over that he'll be the man to to Kinda Alid? Lsu through that revolution on offense get them to the promised land while you're yeah here we are. It's clear that they've found the right people to do that. They've clearly got the right quarterback to do that being said we won the highest been. They've got running back. They've got a good cast of receivers a pretty good line. So it's all there on the offensive side of the ball I never had a doubt about their defense. That's something we'll get into a little bit more as we talk about the matchups specifically Clemson's offense against this defense but the offensive component on Lsu side was specifically what I had the most skepticism about clearly that has been proven wrong and good for them that it has. Yeah Yeah I'm trying to figure out I I am right there with you in that. You're like okay. We've heard this before that. They're modernizing that they're trying to evolve their offense and it probably took me until that Florida the performance to fully come around not that I always pick them this year because I probably should have. They went undefeated if I wanted to be one hundred percent but the fact act remains that you're just like okay well I get it. They did it against Vanderbilt. They did it against Texas. They did against Utah State but that Florida win the way they separated themselves later. Later on in that game from the gators dropped forty on a good Florida defense at home wrench and then responded even with a pseudo clunker the next week at Mississippi state and a letdown spite. You understand that they still won that game by I think twenty plus points They want another uneven offensive performance against Auburn but they won their clunkers and the rest of the year I think they scored. What forty plus? Maybe they came just short of forty against Georgia but separating themselves from both really good who teams like Georgia and I think an an okay team but completely demolished them Getting Past Alabama the way they did with to a still on the team or to still starting at quarterback albeit hobbled Still able to to slice and dice. LSU defense that game. I just I came away so impressed and wanted to think that there was just going to be down week. Where the new offense just didn't click and maybe there were those weeks but the fact remains I'm still much more impressed oppressed with what they did before the Oklahoma game right because I don't I think both with what the Oklahoma defense was or really was does not this year how they played against Lsu? I don't think that is the most important takeaway game from the Tigers but just for them to be at this point to be led by this offense to be talking about the overshadowed LSU defense. It's such a new way of talking about about this program that I'm thrilled to have underestimated this team. Going into the air. Yeah I I am as well. I'm looking back back on my notes when we did our. Sec Preview now and this was in late. August the question I had for you on. Lsu was just that they went nine and three won the Fiesta Bowl over UCF And they had a really good year last season despite an offensive line that drastically underperformed. Yeah yeah they basically had a remix their offense on the fly to account for it last year as we entered the twenty nineteen season. How confident were you that the position group specifically again offensive line would be able to improve It has improved. No doubt about the offense to whole has has drastically improved now. I know we have a question later on where we're going to talk more specifically about about that line so I don't WanNa go deep down that rabbi. Let's let's shift gears if we could into the Clemson side of things now jer clemson clearly came at this from a much different standpoint being so they haven't lost a game in two years. Yeah oh I guess now. They haven't now now. They haven't lost game two years but prior to the season they were defending national champions. Obviously an incredible performance. Twenty eight point victory over Alabama in the championship that was on the heels with twenty seven point. Victory over Notre Dame in the College Football playoff semifinal trevor warrants had had burst onto the national stage. Maybe in a way that he hadn't prior to either of those games being so he was incredible unstoppable in both of those playoff performances. uh-huh entering the season Clemson was a prohibitive favorite. Maybe not to win the National Championship but certainly being the game right. That was the conversation Alabama Clemson. Come and fight me if you don't think it's one of those two t yeah. It was Alabama Clemson. Everybody else have these. Two teams separated themselves with as well as Ohio. State and Georgia. Georgia have recruited in Oklahoma constantly in the playoff conversation are we you know in the way that the NBA sort of became a Cleveland Golden State for what was it four straight years right like some has become a bit of that where okay what are what are we talking about here is. Is this a sport that is now whittled down to these two halves. The the the talking points on my side of the Clemson argument. Yeah and it's not really an argument because we were both holding on clips and we didn't think they were GONNA lose during the regular season or in the ACC title game to whoever they played like we. We knew this was going to be the cream of the crop in the ACC but we also knew that they were going to be a smidge thinner. Then there are two thousand eighteen version at least on defense because they had to replace four incredible defensive Lineman they're top three linebackers five of their top six tacklers. They also had guys like Hunter Renfro and Mitch Hiatt gone from their offense For most teams. That's a lot to replace. Can't recover from that in one season. But it's way easier when you've got Trevor Lawrence Travis T. N. T. Higgins Justin Ross. The line has been pretty good for them. Despite the fact they lost a key. Contributory Mitch Hyatt's so it it was just like to what end is defense going to bring this as team down knowing full well going into the season that the ACC isn't going to be the strongest conferences right. And and we had seen clemson defenses of your you know lose a nine ten eleven starters. Whatever I don't know eleven starters near but a majority of starters and bounceback as if nothing had changed inched in that's partially due to the fact that there's just crazy continuity on this coaching staff that Brent Venables has been around forever the fact that they play their twos and threes? So much in these blowouts blow outs that. It's nothing new for a guy to start. Because he's getting thirty forty snaps a game as is so it is quite impressive. Recive to see what Clemson on defense losing what they lost and to not miss a step granted the ACC was not having itself a year this now so it was fully. It was almost impossible to say. Well this clemson defense hasn't missed a beat because outside of the North Carolina game. They didn't play a team team. That scored more than twenty against them and it wasn't fully surprise. Given NC state fell to share given what wake forest looked like Laden the season Florida State Louisville these teams were not built to score with Clemson so that wasn't fully as surprise and then when we sell high state score. What twenty three? Yeah that's when you're like okay. There's something with this defense especially when they start out scoring fourteen sixteen points whatever. I am not able to do much after cell so after that so I just man an incredible incredible year for Clemson on both sides of the ball even with some the the slow start that I think Trevor Lawrence had we saw it sort of culminate with what he looked like early on in the Louisville game but since he threw those you know that that grip of passes it's been just lights out impossible from clemson on both sides of the ball so as we turn the corner now and steered steered directly for this game we have on January the thirteenth at eight. PM ON THE ESPN family of networks between Lsu at fourteen zero and Clemson listen at fourteen and now Let me steal a little bit of your thunder. I know you had this topic planned alleged later on in the show but it Clemson Simpson is actually the lower seeded of the teams. They are the defending national champions. Now we know that because of that playoff seeding and maybe because of Dabo Sweeney comments along the course of the season here that he has tried to fashion them as a bit of an underdog. Yeah I mean that's always what he does even when they're fourteen point favorites. They'll say nobody believes we're really fourteen point favorites. That's just nonsense. But in this case they are the legit underdog there. Five and a half half point dog headed into ballgame We know Clemson's a fun team to root for it's never short on personality but can't can you fully subscribe are. Are you fully subscribed to the notion that Clinton is a a real true underdog going into this game. Oh Yeah for sure they are an underdog inasmuch as so much attention has been poured on Lsu. Because it's a better story right now. It's a new story. There's something novel about this program. That could never get it together on offense hiring a young due to be paired in Joe Brady with Steven Singer the the older more grizzled coordinator so they have this season passing game coordinator and he's there to sort of help out. With everything it clicks clicks. It works. Joe Borough is just an assassin These receivers are out of control. Randy mosses son. Is there at tight end. The lion comes together together. Clyde Edwards layer when nothing is really fully working all the time with the passing game. There he is to hand the ball to and he's local to to what Baton Rouge Louisiana Anna. I just it it there's the novelty to LSU has has shined a spotlight on. I guess the Tigers in Baton Rouge that there's nothing P it's easy to overlook Clemson because they're not a new story. This is not an exciting. We've seen Clemson on this stage so it's sort sort of like a forgot about us kind of situation where Dabbagh can say. Well I guess we're not the the sexy new thing anymore. I guess everybody's forgotten about us and and while it is obviously cliche to say nobody believes in US where the underdog that sort of thing can work in a brain it Kinsley a nineteen year. Old Old brain will work as a motivational device of your dabbles. No doubt about it. If you're trying to get your team up for the game as if there's going to be any trouble getting them up for the National Championship but I'm saying to you and I specifically I can't convince myself that there are any kind of underdog here. I know maybe five and a half points is what Vegas who says right. They haven't lost two years twenty nine now. Last two seasons I went back and looked. They've lost three games in four years. That's underdog the dog story. I don't care how you try to paint it so I am excited for this game. I'm not necessarily looking at it. In terms of underdog and favorites and and in that storyline it to me goes out the window because Clemson has been a powerhouse in college football for the last at least five years running. But this this year's team specifically do you feel like there is an underdog element to the fact that yes. They have the struggle against North Carolina. Yeah but also. We didn't really see them. Tested after that. We didn't really see them against great competition until Ohio state and there is just more data ada it's an Lsu. Maybe no matter how long it's been since they've lost. It's been a while. Since North Dakota state has lost two there is a difference between undercover bird. An Underdog Scher undercover. D- You could certainly make a legit case for that right being so they're in the ACC being so like like you said there were flashier stories around college football that may be garnered a little bit more attention but underdog now underdogs a tough. Sell for me okay. I mean I think the biggest killer in this game is still. LSU's offense. I would agree with you with you. That to me already means means that okay. We're looking at the best single thing in this game. Being what Joe Boroughs able to do with the ball in his hands. The heisman winner the guy who won the heisman pretty much out of no where over the presumed favorite or one of the presumed favorites in Trevor Lawrence. Going into the season. So there is that idea of supplanting. The obvious obvious. Champion in Clemson the idea that Lsu has established itself because of this offense as what again. I think we both believed to be the best single thing in this game. That could change Clemson's defense. I have no doubt in. My mind is remarkable. They are remark on all three levels are very very good. And they are stout and they are deep keep and they play with an insane amount of focus in care so I that to me is why Clemson is the underdog simply because Joe Borough where's purple and Gold Lemme or Marshall Injustice Jefferson and Jomar chase course. The Blue macaw award winner where purple and gold that that is why. Let me let me round out. This discussion turned the corner. And actually go into this game. Just by saying that I think. LSU Who is probably the easier team to root for being so they are newer to this football game. Yeah Clemson Oh yeah Even though Clemson is technically technically the underdog by five and a half points. Yeah I mean I think people are always going to love the story more than they are the repeat but I mean for as much success as Clemson has had clemson is not a decades long spotlight team. Like I think going back to when Nick Sabin was at L. S. shirt sort of the beginning of the modern era where I think there is a bigger and wider familiarity with LSU football ball given the personality of less miles given all the NFL players. That have come through there. The last twenty years as opposed to this latest five seven year. Run from Clemson. So so I think John Q.. Public has an Lsu story awareness more than Okechukwu understand. The CLEMSON has become this elite machine. So I I think there's that element to it. It is the College Football playoff national championship presented by. At and T.. They played in New Orleans. Yeah yeah again. LSU Fourteen no a five and a half point favorite over the Clemson Tigers so as we now look head on into this football game. The obvious question is whether an elite clemson defense can slow an elite LSU offense uh-huh and conversely can really good Lsu defense slow. I would still say leak competent offensive. Very Good Char other mazing when you pop the hood on both of those scenarios and look at all the advanced stuff you could zoom in on a few things. That are very intriguing to be honest. I most of that stuff favors clemson. So you can take that at face value if you want. and that's perfectly reasonable or you can add the extra layer a to it and ask does it matter. Corrupt toy wants to no does it matter. Does it matter Dan. That was such a good transition. You're just such a pro. Does it freaking matter. Clemson has a good pass rush. It's different than it was last year. But statistically right very good pass rush very good sack rate. LSU is just okay at protecting. Joe Borough the Heisman even trophy winner. That would seem like a big advantage for Clemson but will it matter Dan. I'm yelling into my microphone. Why do you say they're just okay at protecting? I'm looking I'm looking at advanced stuff. I'm just looking at numbers. Okay Okay Sacree that sort of thing okay. Statistically they're kind of in the middle okay that would seem like a big advantage for Clemson but will it matter. We saw teams. Try to pressure. Joe Borough year nothing seem to faze them. Will it Matt and new. Yeah I- LSU Lsu took on Georgia and their incredible defense and it didn't seem to matter no him out of the pocket he made plays is pretty impressive. Dan Clemson as the best pass defense in America. Yeah statistically it's the Best Lsu seen all year will it matter Lsu hung sixty three on Oklahoma even if you slow them down they're still putting it at least sixty three that was scoring fifty and a half right even if you saw him down a little. It's still what thirty five forty points on the board. Will it matter get the drift here. Yes I get the drift. I'm waiting for you to to ask me for an answer. I'm just yelling here. I know you are and I love it. The big question that is hidden inside your question is what will the back of Clemson's defense look like to make the front of Clemson's defense look even better in their pursuit of Joe Burrow because that back end just best with what they're able to do in concert with the the Brent Venables defense that they run and how well they can disguise how can run with receivers. We saw him do an incredible job with with Ohio. State's receivers that true killer big play That is going to make the front of their defense. And how many different things players like. Isaiah Simmons ends and Tanner Muse can do to disrupt and confuse that to me is the better question of will it matter and I think ultimately it will matter. I don't know if it's going to decide the game but it's going to matter. Yes will it matter. So we've got a whole list of bullet points here that we wanted to go through and determine well. I'm not going to be so cynical that I'm going to sit here and say that none of this stuff is going to matter. I think else. He's offense by largest so good that a lot of it won't don't but certainly some of this well it has to okay. Let's do it first and foremost Dan Clemson probably prepared a lot more for Lsu than they did for home right. I would imagine so. Yes through the advance scouting probably heavily lean toward LSU LSU probably had a split up their advanced perhaps rep so the question would be. How much does that? How much does it matter? How much does that factor in here? I think it's interesting but I don't think it matters. I think Brent Venables is so good on on the fly at diagnosing and communicating that to his team that ultimately I don't know if there's anything that Lsu can do that will catch them off guard they haven't seen but the the skill lies in their ability on the fly so no I don't think it matters fully I I would agree with you and I would add the point of Alabama and Clemson what we've seen from them amid this incredible run. Preparation has certainly been very important. We hear about all the time as we watch college football and the dedication and the hours that assistant coaches and head coach. Put in on this. The adjustments almost matter bore. Yeah By the way if you haven't read it and they're not a partner of ours anymore. Right now Andy Staples Bruce Feldman wrote pieces with Clemson and our guess regarding Clemson and LSU speaking to opposing coaches who coached against against them. This year anonymously a lot of really cool inside. If you if you really want a deep dive this game so I think it matters but I think adjustments are GonNa matter more notable point. Joe Borough has not had to go wire on stage quite like this has he. No in Trevor Lawrence has now. It's not Joe Boroughs Fault thank. LSU was so incredible against Oklahoma that he really hasn't been in this pressure type of situation though SEC championship against Georgia. You know playing Alabama Playing Auburn Burn playing Florida the way that's what those are huge stages. This is just something different. This is non. Sports fans is non college football fans. This is in the superdome which is again i. I don't think it's on our bullet point list but I think that's interesting because L. has sort of recently played in a national championship at Superdome predom- anything goes super well Interesting I think it's no I don't think the stage Ma- matters Adar's as much as the opponent so I'm going to sail to me. It doesn't matter. Yeah you know. There is a semi final back on December twenty eighth. Joe Borough threw for seven touchdowns in one half. Yeah now. I'm not sure the stages real issue here Oklahoma Oklahoma. That's all about. Let me add another one in here at Sonner list but you brought it up. Is there a home. Field advantage factor. Trying to figure that out does that matter figure out if there's a homefield disadvantage that could play into this as well now you're gonNA reverse jinx jinx. It will sort of. I think it's nice to go away. I think it's nice to get locked in. I think it's nice to take that sort of business trip mentality. Where you're away from distractions you? Are you know you're in a hotel doing your run through. It's not just taking a bus and I understand. They're I'm sure they're going to be in a hotel in New Orleans for days as in days leading up to the game but there is a different element of not going away and I am positive the Superdome is going to be very LSU friendly what is what is. I just wonder if that's added pressure. What's your bet for? First College football media member to tweet out. It's like seventy thirty in favor. Avella sue down here. Oh Yeah people love. The proposed feels like a dentist. Dot tweet at maybe eight. Oh Two wow yeah. That's that's that seems right. All right next one. Okay so clemson. Maybe STU Mandel. I could see stupid do that. It's definitely me too thing. Clemson has started slowly against most of the quote unquote good teams on their twenty nine thousand schedule North Carolina Louisville texts. Am Ohio State. Slow starts quickstart against Virginia. I'd go a step. Further that at a fair share of their close calls in each of the last four regular seasons have come against the better teams in their schedule so the Auburn's and Louisville's the NC state of Texas pit UNC. This year like it's it's not just in the vacuum of twenty nineteen season. It's been a recurring theme. It hasn't mattered much. Will it matter here it. I think it will matter yes and it. It looked like he was going to matter against Ohio state and they ultimately couldn't convert a number of opportunities. They had in the red zone. You know plays in which it looked like they were going to score or get very close to score and I don't I don't know that Clemson can get away with that two games in a row. I agree with this. I think I agree with you. I'm going to say yes. It will matter. I'm going to say yes. It's is going to be very difficult to be poised early in the superdome with this kind of crowd no matter how. LSU themselves look. I just think even with Trevor Lawrence playing on the stage it. It'd be impossible not to have a little bit in the way of butterflies a little bit in the way of getting your head on straight until you can sort of figure out your time and place place so I'm GonNa say it will matter that the slow start is going to is going to be something that Clemson even if they pull it out. We'll be something that they come to regret putting themselves selves in a position with next one. Then yeah we talked about Joe Borough not being on a stage quite like this. What about coach or Doron? It's it's true we know Dabo Sweeney been there last year has been there. I don't know how many times now in the last couple of years but coach. Oh is at home. That'll help help. But he hasn't quite managed a game like this hasn't been on a stage like this as a head coach no timeouts and going on fourth down and figuring out if you should spiked get with fifty two seconds left before halftime or just keep the his foot on the gas. I don't know the Latin. I mean I do know the last time they played a game that came down to it. That was Auburn Right. I guess now Alabama came down to it. Yeah that was back Alabama. Yeah L. B.. I'm sure Auburn Alabama. That's incredible opponents. Opponents team's defenses whatever but this is certainly different. They had Alabama I think in Tuscaloosa right yeah and Auburn at home so challenges all all the same but I don't think it matters. I don't think it matters because I think the team is so squarely locked. Get in on that. The gasping pushed at all times. We saw it at the end of the Texas game and what week two on the road where they could have just tried running it and punting into sort of Hoping for the best to run out the clock and they didn't and that was the continued theme that Team is here to be aggressive so I think they're always going to err on the side of aggression Shen. They have that identity built into their DNA at this point. So I'm gonNA say maybe early. It matters a little but ultimately over the course of four quarters if they lose they lose. But I don't think it's going to be because of game management and because I would agree with this to back with that took the words right out of my mouth. Guess another one here. You'RE GONNA have to explain Blaine this in a little more detail because you came up with these. LSU pretty late in the year keeping track of mobile quarterbacks dealing with now quarterback what what examples are you referring to here for listening audience the official Sec West quarterback of the The solid verbal Janis. He's Plumlee ran all over the LSU defense and that's just situation ably situation ably situationally somewhat understandable. That was the week after Obama their second consecutive Game on the road. And I you know I feel about the double roads But there is that element of okay we can pick Hick on the middle of LSU's linebacking corps a little bit sideline to sideline and we saw. Sam allender move the ball some In that Texas game they ha- was completely stifled and he is a mobile quarterback. I get that and obviously jalen hurts. Ran Some but ultimately not in a difference making way but there is that element of you know grant help. It was heard and when he showed some of that. The the injury affects rate is not great in the open field tackling tackling. But they hold a give points that give yardage you can run on them some. You can run on them. But we're talking about mobile quarterbacks. Would you classify Trevor Lawrence as has a John. Reese plumlee kind of runner I think he I think he's better. He ran in sixty some odd yard touchdown against Ohio state. He is a dual threat quarterback in a dual threat it off. You classify him as as a running quarterback. I would classify him as a quarterback who is able to run at a high level. Not Lamar Jackson not Johnny Menzel. But he is able to pick up third and eight with his legs he is able to turn a four yard run into a thirty one yard. Run Yeah I would say his athleticism lettuce ISM is absolutely an aspect of his game and those are two threats passing and running so yes dual threat Janis. Plumlee ran the ball more than twenty times. Yeah it's a different aspect but yeah over half of his starts this year. It's a much much different system. Trevor Lawrence. Orange by comparison ran at sixteen times in that semifinal against Ohio state too great avail very good over what six and a half yards a carry so clearly very effective the I don't know if that includes sacks but nonetheless Barry's game is part of very offense yeah That was the first time that I can remember and Clemson fans might lampoon me for this but that was the first time I can remember using Trevor Lawrence in that capacity. Yes and no I mean. They're not gonNA run him. I'm against no wake and NC state that way but he's very he's very athletic he can do it if he has to Just He. He's he strikes me as much more for a guy that they like to keep in the pocket and utilize his arm. No it's a different offense. And it's a rich rod offense for Ole Miss but Trevor Lawrence against I'm seeing North Carolina. He had eleven carries. This may include Sacks Against Louisville ten carries Ohio State Sixteen carries generally. He's under his single digit carries assurance. The not not mute of their schedule. If I'm being kind but yeah back to the days of Chad Morrison Taj Boyd into Shawn Watson Kelly Bryant L.. These guys they are told you. Keep the ball on this sort of option when you see this and here's a dry here near the goal line. Here's a dry here. On first and ten we saw that the the final drive that the run game quarterback run game was part of Clemson. So if it's part of the game part of that offense then it's part of the offense. I don't think this is a huge just threat. I think they were able to use it effectively against Ohio state. I'm not buying it as something that matters a whole lot here. I think it matters all right. I think is going to have success us on the ground with Trevor Lawrence maybe not Travis CTN. 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Even Without Dexter Lawrence in the playoff I think the athleticism at Linebacker I mean as Ahah Simmons's they might be the best defensive player in the country The flexibility the variety of looks at Clemson can throw at Lsu and LSU's front. I think it's GONNA matter. I think Joe Borough is going to be forced into some uncomfortable situations which has generally not bothered him. But I think it's going going to have an effect on this game clemson's ability to confuse and get home a couple times in key moments against Lsu. Yeah I think I think it matters to. And we know that Brent Venables very creative he comes up with ways to generate pressure The larger question is will that pressure matter for Joe Borough who've been very midden face of pressure all year. Well they did they. They had some trouble with Auburn Auburn. Through like a weird three one seven defense at them and maybe this is something else else we can get into with another one of these bullet points but Clemson is not gonna be able to get home with their front four like they have been able to do like we saw you know just the the best defense is of the past hundred years of football. The guys you can get home with the more just crazier from Mizzou's defense with Craig Gulag Hausky Alabama's recent defenses Auburn's recent defenses Washington when they went to the playoffs. Almost never blitzed. Clemson doesn't have that ability but I think you're right I think what Brent Venables abled stew with confusion and stunts and slants. Whatever I think it's going to matter I think? LSU's offensive line is good. I I just don't think it's incredible. I think I agree with you. Okay on that one. What do one or two more you see me on here that you want to make sure we cover here is one thing? I was curious about audio. No it's doesn't matter but it's just. I was trying to figure out if somebody had experienced succeeding against either one of these offenses offenses or defenses. And as we've seen in years past sometimes these guys will like go to the facility. Very quietly and consult Kevin Steele the the Auburn Defensive Coordinator looks to me to be the only person who's actually succeeded against recent Clemson and this year's Lsu now obviously Auburn and play. I clemson this season. And obviously there's the overlap of I think both of these teams play Texas. Am Yes yes. All of these teams shutdown Texas offense but the Kevin Steele thing is interesting. I Want I looked. I didn't see him do any interviews or I don't think anybody that could find has has written anything using using what he is what he's been able to do at Auburn. Both in shutting down Clemson with both the Shawn Watson and Kelly Bryant and what he did this year in holding Lsu to twenty twenty. Three points But I I wonder because Kevin Steele was both at Lsu and at Clemson. I think he's on better terms with coach. Oh because I think Daboh I'm they called it not a firing but it was. It was not a great end to Kevin Steele's tenure no with Clemson after to the Orange Bowl against West Virginia. I wonder if there's some Kevin Steele whispering to coach. Oh about the CLEMSON offense. I wonder Dave rant and not the Dave Aranda isn't capable himself south and we haven't even talked about the LSU defense. I wonder if there's something going on can't steal anything else here I mean we didn't mention the defense. That's sort of the one thing we haven't mentioned in talking about Clemson's offense and Trevor Lawrence and we didn't mention his targets and those offensive weapons weapons but the defense has allowed points this year. I think they're pretty drastically. Improved from where they were midseason as they've unhealthier especially the as some of the freshmen. Like Derek Sting. Lee has gotten a really good amount of important experience but the fact remains outside of the dual threat thing. They've allowed points. They've allowed big plays they. They've been thrown on. They've messed up and big situations. They've been run on both by court of HEX and otherwise otherwise is there does. LSU's season of uneven results on defense matter to you against an offense as talented as claps. Okay absolutely absolutely. And it's part of the reason why I think there are a lot of points in this game. Sure I think it's probably a shootout points in this game. I think both offenses are so good. So good that neither defence is going to have an answer right so I favor a lot of points here but specific to Lsu absolutely Salihi matters definitely so I guess can we can we play. I don't know if this is a game but I asked you to rank the outcomes. Do you want to do that now or do you want. We could close thing. Is this the dive deep. Sound that play the deep deep dove. Captain Time Lieutenant Damn you have clearance it. Is that finebaum underwater. I Dunno might be some sort of underwater ghosts who hey How does this work so I? There are six pretty obvious outcomes in this game while they're sick they're only are. It's either one of these teams winning small medium or big So I would imagine like if you go back to the was it. Twenty Twelve Notre Dame Alabama. Yeah the most obvious blowout would i. It was impossible to think about Notre Dame blowing at Alabama. If they're going to win it was going to be ugly With led by defense winning the game. Seventeen thirteen something like that. So the most likely blowout that year was Alabama right to you before we get the most likely blowout is who over. Who In this game most likely blowout is who of if somebody wins this game? Forty two twenty. Who would you be more surprised surprised or less surprise however you WanNa word it To See as the victor I would be stunned if Lsu blew out clemson. Wow okay And I say that because I was stunned last year. When Clemson blew out Alabama just in C- a blowout coming so I WANNA moines less S. than what Clemson beat Notre Dame or one point more employ more right Notre Dame's differential? Yeah so I guess just with that in mind I will be much more surprised is if Lsu did it than Clemson did it. Because we've seen Clemson do it against a really good opponent back and forth on this. I think you're probably correct correct. Because in order to blow a team out it has to happen on both sides and I think Johnson has the ability to both shut down and take the other defense to the woodshed So I think that's probably right but I also don't think it's the most likely outcome. I know it is and his blowing out. So what is the most likely likely outcome for you then so if we think of it in terms of Lsu by a small margin what do we consider a small margin medium margin and a big blowout margin. So I have eight points or fewer so one possession game okay has a small marsh and then medium. I have nine to fourteen and then large. If you're winning fifteen plus fifteen fifteen and sixteen or two possession games but you pretty busy you see a final score of thirty five to twenty. That's a very comfortable win. Okay so both teams by a small. Aw medium or large margin. Which which team do you think is most likely to win? And by what margin I have the most likely margin margin as LSU small. As do. I I have that as the most likely margin. LSU winning by eight or fewer points because even with Clemson as the more seasoned more complete team. I'm still going to Roland with the thing I believe the most in and that's the LSU offense and how impossible and futile. It seems for defenses to stop as talented as Clemson's is also fell behind sixteen nothing to another excellent offense and it's excellent offense in Ohio state that I don't think it's as good as Lsu's so yeah. I I find my answer I agree with you on. LSU ASSU small. I think if I'm betting I bet the points I take Clemson plus the points. There's a lot of history there. CLEMSON's been on the stage before before. If you're telling me that the game comes down to a field goal comes down to the last second play. It's back and forth Joe. Boroughs got the ball in his hands. He wins by four sure. That makes a lot of sense to me. Doesn't make sense as LSU minus anything. I would take Clemson plus five and a half and I'd be happy to be wronged. Don't bet your life savings on it that being said I think Lsu winds and I think Lsu mom with you. I think that's the most likely outcome here. So yeah I have. LSU small small number one. I have clemson small number two okay And then I number three. I actually have clemson big okay because because of my the clear I most concerning thing is the Lsu defense as strong as they are at various various points in that defense. I think from what we've seen with them against Alabama even early on and I don't think this matters all that much but Texas did score on them I think that is that is my answer. That things like last year can get out of hand with. I mean the best I defensive back in this game is still probably. Aj Terrell just the best and most season lockdown defender to me I Yeah I guess it depends on how you classify Simmons because he plays a little bit of everything. Sure but I think there is that element of clemson comes out a little more uncomfortable because of where they've been and jump out to an early lead and Lsu's a little bit rattled and little bit pressing and playing from behind like they haven't been able to do and it just. It goes from bad to worse so I think I agree with you. In that a- clemson blood is more likely than an Lsu blowout so that's my number three let me ask you this the over-under here a sixty nine and a half. Yeah would you go over under that. So that's my my quick math works out that's like thirty seven thirty two type score in favor of Lsu. Yeah if it's right on there and nobody really scoring forty If it's you know adheres to that five ish Spread five six points For the record just so you know. Lsu Put up forty eight point nine points per game name which was first in the nation and Clemson forty five point three which is fourth in the nation and Clemson's defense. I don't think allowed a team to score more more than twenty. North Carolina scored twenty. Everybody else was like twenty three in the playoff but beyond that now sorry yeah during the regular season BS. Twenty three in the playoff against Ohio state which holding Ohio State to Twenty Johny Three Holy. Wow I think I'm inclined to take the over. Yeah I would be too. I think shootout I think I think a lot of points points And you know to my earlier point I I see a back and forth game I do think. LSU Wins because of that offense. Usually I don't like to pick based solely on offense which is probably why Clemson's of winning never take the under. It's not fun at all. It's not fun to take the under- I see a back and forth game a lot of appoints I could definitely see a scenario where. LSU gets one extra possession and they score Sharon for that reason I make second most likely. LSU medium my order is Lsu small LSU medium clemson big wow or medium likely that Clemson is just so very clearly better than they are barely better yes okay I'm GonNa go out on a limb. Wow I like that. LSU small LSU medium Clemson Big Clemson medium clemson small and I think the least likely outcome here is Lsu BEC- because of that Clemson defense see I have Lsu big at number four okay and then Lsu medium and then clemson medium. I've Lsu big nick because we know what that looks like. This is not something we have to form out of the ether. We know what happens when Joe Borough is supremely confident in what a defense is trying against him and what his own team's counterpunch is or the they have no ability to stop us now. Oklahoma's defense is nowhere near Clemson's defense but the heights of Lsu's offense to me says if they're clicking and they figure out this clemson defense early and they have the counter-punches if it's job radio verse Brent Venables and Joe Brady has all of you know whatever he stacking receivers like he does a running the option routes like he does out of the slot there is a world in which Lsu. We've seen it recently. We've seen them poor almost fifty on Bamut again. It's not Alabama's Best Defense of the last decade. But we've seen a world in which the Lsu just pours it on a team offensively and it's a healthier Lsu defense I again. They're the most concerning element of this game. Still Tall Really Good Defense Rashad Lawrence inside. It's still claimed Jason on the edge. It's still Derek Grant Delta. This is a team that can turn over team this team that can stack pick sixes and short fields. There is a world in which LSU wins this game forty five to twenty six or something like that. Yeah so my next question here. We got to give our picks of the week as we bring it home here on our final preview review show of the twenty nineteen twenty twenty season. GimMe a final score. GimMe a prediction. Tell me why so if my least likely outcome is ella small that would make sense for me to take LSU small. I'm going to take Lsu to win the game. Forty one to thirty four forty one thirty four. I think there are touchdown better. I think it's back and forth. I think maybe maybe there's a special team situation that that changes things I know. LSU In the What the kick coverage game hasn't been amazing? No and at least when teams teams have been able to return the ball I think there's a special team situation that changes the scope of things I I'm hopeful that Clyde Edwards words Allaire is fully healthy and recovered from his hamstring issues. Otherwise I become a little bit more worried because he was that key cog against Alabama. But there's something about Clemson that I'm not fully therewith and I don't know why I don't know if it was the START I don't know what it was against Ohio state where they needed some things to break their way to come back and I think it's a little bit more difficult against this. LSU offense so forty one thirty four in and one of the all-time Great National Championship Games. I think it's going to be an amazing football game. I think they're going to be a lot of points. I've got LSU issue winning at the gun. Forty five forty two again Lotte. Points joke girl Joe Berle has to lead the LSU tigers. Agar's down the field to score in New Orleans to win the National Championship I have no idea why we think this clemson defense is going to give up. So how many points. But I I honestly think Joe Borough is What he's done this year? It's a generational performance. So let's put it this way anyone's going to do it. This year is going to be Joe. Borough now wow I think a lot of points uncharacteristically so for the Clemson defense. Maybe I'm nuts. which is entirely possible for doing this all year by I've got LSU by three on taking Clemson plus the points? And I agree with you that there may be a special team situation here. It's it's the only thing one of the only things that jumps out on paper as a pretty big disparity between LSU which has been pretty good on special teams by large large and Clemson. And we've gone this whole show. Not even talking about not higgins and Justin Ross and Travis T. N.. And their ability I mean. They've won the national championship Cheb. We've seen what Justin Ross is able to do on a stage like this man. What a Just the receivers in this game. I'M NOT GONNA go through year by I year to look at the receiving chorus from what we've seen I remember Oregon's was very beat up but I the I mean if you're going. Justin Ross Not Higgins Jamar chess. Justin Jefferson Terrace. Marsh Clemson doesn't have a world beater at tight end whereas Lsu is kind of a match up nightmare Fatma's at times. But what if you like receive verse. I like receivers on corners this is this is pornography tie yeah. I can't wait and like we can talk about the fact that you know Clemson's secondary and mentioned Tanner Muse earlier. Maybe he's a weak point. I'm curious to see if LSU generate some mismatches in the slot against Tantrum the museum. I'm curious to see what what Clemson's able to do with their receivers against analysis secondary that I mean they're they're painted on on receivers every week. Sure this is I. It looks to be an incredible collection of matchups outside. I just don't know. Oh how either defense covers their opponents. Wide receivers yeah sixty minutes worth. I don't know how you do it. I really hope that you really get up and press distress. And it's fine with a safety. I'm not hoping for that but I am hoping that you know you. You got a lot of fifty fifty moments that just became hinges on so many different tiny tiny little seconds. That's the best. I don't know how you cover these receivers for sixty minutes and I don't know how you cover them with the constant threat of two really good running backs clad travis ignoring travis. CTN He and who's been perpetually underrated or under covered at least as a star player for the Clemson Tigers. Yeah it was mostly shutdown by Ohio state and still manage to have arguably the biggest moment in the game are the maybe two biggest moments game for storms them. So there you go we're both taking. LSU Yep Dan by a little bit of larger margin than I cover. Yeah you think they cover. I'm not willing to go there. We will be watching the game together on Monday evening. I'm driving up to your homestead shortly after I get out of mysterious day job Monday afternoon. we are going going to convene in record our recap episode early on Tuesday and drop that hopefully before lunchtime get that out into the college football ether so you can digest it it on your ride to from work now and they were going to hang out and Enjoy the season. That was this past I don't know five or six months. Yeah it's our own personal wrap party or sit cool. I'll be making the solid verbal. The official dip of the solid rebel that juries Odette shy shy. Bring anything you want me to bring anything me to make anything that you particularly proud of that. You think that would make a good addition. I don't know if there will be other people watching with us. Do you want me to make my Taco dip where I pour on the tostitos Salsa whatever you want sure I'm sure it's delicious on top of a luscious bed of sour cream cream cheese. He's and Mexican cheese from WEGMANS. I don't know if my body can fully end all okay. My my stomach has not been a friend of dairy recently. But I'm willing to try everything Yeah I'll probably also get pizza. So yeah there's GonNa be a cheese factor anyway. Why the hell not follow along with us on twitter? Follow along on instagram. Check out the facebook page. Dan and I are going to be posting. We're GONNA be offering running commentary at some point throughout the course of this week. I'm going to post my props. Selections for the Coming Football Game. They're all out yet. There are a few interesting but I wanNA wait until there's a more complete offering before I offer for my recommendations I know everyone's on the edge of their seat waiting for these but give me a little bit more time to try and calculate what I think the best player. Yeah we're recording. This obviously say Tuesday for the two screws and we have not seen a full list of game and player props. I wonder do you know who's doing is our halftime show. I should have come prepared. Well I don't don't know about the halftime show but we did. We did Actually Simpson. We did make reference earlier to the broadcast and ESPN is again doing. It's it's mega cast. So of course I Chris Fowler. Kirk herbstreet are going to be on the call Tom Rinaldi emory Taylor going to be working the sidelines as they typically do there will also be the field pass which is going to feature our good friend Adam. Amin along with Steve Levy. They're going to have PAT MAC III. Dan Orlovsky off ski on the field. As well. Great there's going to be a coach's film room on Espn you. They have not announced yet. Who those coaches will be? Hopefully it'll be Kevin Steele. That'd be neat. Thomas would probably be one desire. There can only know if I have to the command center. It will be on. ESPN news which is where they show you all the angles Get about four different vantage points at any moment They'll have the data data center on the Goal Line Network. ESPN search excited case. You excited to call. Shower will be the data. This says the real time stats and analytics and social media commentary and then there'll be the hometown radio on the ACC and SEC networks. Oh I I like that. Yeah so they'll have the hometown radio calls featuring the Clemson Tigers network and the LSU. Sports Radio Network. I do like that we both picked Lsu so technically Dabbagh. Ken At us to the pile of nonbelievers there is a sounds of the game on ESPN classic. WHOA I'm reading this off? The press release it allows viewers to imagine themselves inside the superdome. Asmar so it's it's like the no announcer experience like they've done that with NBA Games allows allows viewers to match themselves inside the Superdome as the game. Presentation will feature all all the natural audio from the stadium including the band performances. I assume no three D.. No three no three. We have a rough cast on the ESPN APP which was the the streaming from their hats. John Perry Matt Austin and Judson Howard. provide reaction running commentary from a referee's perspective so it doesn't I don't think the hat cam will be involved here. Can we set up a feed in which it's just Mama h describing the action in over the phone We could try that okay That would be great. I've had I mean I'm sure you've had this situation to where you're not able to watch the game and you're like texting with somebody furiously on the phone. Like Yep nope okay. Oh Jason you just have no idea what's going on. I would love to have a mom. H We'll see Indo Indo okay. We'll figure that. Thank you to everyone out there for tuning in not just for this show but all season long. Yeah we will be back in short order to recap all this and much much more as we head into the college football off season. Don't forget if you haven't subscribed please do so. The solid verbal we with you all throughout the calendar year. Even if they're not playing the football games or knows plenty of college football to discuss as we forge ahead into the long doldrums. That is the twenty twenty off all season. Yeah can I add one more thing please. If you're going to this game eat literally anywhere very happy in New Orleans because it is the best if you want specific places I like I don't know There's Willie mays for Fried Chicken. There's a killer Po boys there's is also sorts of places. Sylvain is very very good. If you don't feel like specific like Cajun food but they still have Cajun options Bevy is sort of a little little outside of all the the touristy area for boys and stuff like that but you literally had anywhere anywhere local. Don't don't do everything you can not to eat at CPAC for saying that guy over there my good friend Dan Rubenstein for Myself Tie Hildenbrand. We'll be back yet. You just a few days enjoy the college eligible national championship. And we'll talk to you soon. Stay solid

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Can Clemson Be a Superpower and an Underdog?

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Can Clemson Be a Superpower and an Underdog?

"There's nobody been more consistent than us. We've been unbelievably consistent. Our League doesn't get the credit. Maybe need somebody may see guys on some of them big network shows that they have. That's Clinton head coach. Dabo Sweeney doing his best Rodney dangerfield impression and claiming that despite the team's incredible success clemson still doesn't get any respect today. What Taboo Apple did to build a dynasty and why despite their dominance Clemson is still the underdog and the National Championship? I mean it's Tuesday January seventh this is espn daily presented by indeed Andrea. Are you ready to give Dabbagh more bulletin board material. I live to give dabbled bulletin material. Andrea Adelson is a senior writer for. ESPN this is part of my existence. Since here at ESPN because I am part of ESPN. You know the place where nobody wants to give Clemson any credit so here I am. I'm ready to go. Let me ask you this. Why do you think is so obsessed with disrespect? I think daboh fails. He has been counted Out His entire life when you look at where. He came from walk on Alabama sleeping in a dorm room with his mom because she couldn't afford to have a place to live in the same bed by the way and then from there trying to get a start in coaching. But then in not really having an avenue for success all of these things lead up to dabble always feeling like he has been an underdog underdog his entire life. And now you get to a school like Clemson which has had tradition and history but not like those blue bloods that we're so familiar with in college football. He feels like Clemson. Now is the quintessential underdog and so every time people try and Dan take a shot at his program. It's like they're taking a shot at daboh and it's all personal because all of his own history and and he gets defensive people. Just don't pay attention but at the end of the day it's not my job to bid leagues my job to build a good program and I think we've done a nice job that for a long time. A lot of people consider it maybe wining sometimes or complaining too much but dabble go feels like he has to be the guy that stands up and represents himself and Clemson no matter what Do you think he's right this year when he says that Clemson hasn't gotten any respect. I do think he is right. I cover the ACC. And I've covered the ACC for for the last ten years for ESPN. I am extremely familiar with the narrative about the ACC that this is a conference. That isn't any any good. That is the worst among the power. Five that doesn't have good players. They don't have good teams. They don't win big games and for me Eh Clemson. The last five years has shattered all of those perceptions people once had not just the ACC but of Clemson in particular killer a program that has won two national championships over the last several years and destroyed Alabama the way that they did last year ear should not be one hundred percent tied to what happens throughout the rest of their conference. I don't understand why by the national perception continues to be that. This is a team that gets lucky or isn't deserving of being where they are right now. The gatorade bath on the near sideline will win. It's clear National Championship in College. Football the clock still a twenty but they are swarming in the field. What was Clemson football before Devo arrived when Clemson football was a program that had been trying to to get back to its glory years of the past because this is a program that won a national championship in one thousand nine hundred eighty one Before Daboh got there they were struggling to find their footing and a way to make themselves CBS relevant again and so in two thousand eight they decided to move on from their head coach. Tommy Bowden and midway through the season because it just wasn't working working out director at the time Kerry Don Phillips went into. Tell the coaches that he was making a change. He looked at Dabo. Sweeney who was the receivers devers coach at the time. Never been coordinator before in his life had been selling real estate several years before and he looks Daboh and he says you're my interim coach coach. I'm going to give you a chance to earn this head coaching job. I WanNa see how you do and I'm not ruling anything out and Daboh heard those words and thought I'm going to be the head coach here of works my whole life to have an opportunity to lead a team. You know I'm not perfect. I don't claim to be perfect to have all the answers and we'll make some mistakes but I promise you I'll make them full speed. There was nothing about Dabo that anybody in the Clemson. Fan Base and across the nation would have thought thought that Guy's head coaching material. But what Terry Don Phillips saw during practice was the energy the enthusiasm the way the players responded to him the way they always smiled around him all of these things. He observed in practice is why he wanted to potentially be the head coach of this program and in in those first couple of years it didn't go great for Daboh in two thousand ten they finish six and seven and data thought he was about to get fired he was told that Kerry we don was waiting for him in his office and the lights were out and the first thing daboh says. I'm sorry it's going to get better and Terry Don told him I believe in you and I believe that we're going to get the job done here. And it has comments to the media. After Davos job was saved. He said I know you're all disappointed. But in two thousand twenty this will be the best decade in Clemson history and you know what this has been the best decade in Clemson history. Why do you think he's been so successful? I think there are several reasons number. One that energy enthusiasm the fun the way the players players responded to him for the name has been the basis and the foundation of the program. You you are drawn to Dabo you wanNA play for him. And if you're a player you feel he is always got your back no matter what the big well gee bring you guts that leads to my second point which is recruiting. Those players on. The recruiting trail responded responded to Dabo and the intensity and the passion and the fun that he was having and so it starts with a guy like cj spillover who was a highly touted recruit. Out of the State of Florida then goes to Taj boy to quarterback out of the state of Virginia and as these high end recruits started coming to Clemson and has has clemson started to win and build a program. That means you're able to bring in more and more elite level recruits and that leads to my next point it's not just thus recruiting its development. Had you develop your players you hire a terrific coaching staff and those two are tied hand in hand Daboh for the most part has been able to keep his staff together. There has not been a lot of coaching turnover throughout his career. And when you have coaches coaches who have been with you who understand what you're trying to do who understand the program who understand the culture who know what you're looking for on the recruiting trail and who know how to develop players. There's you're giving yourself and opportunity year in and year out to compete for championships. And so that's why I think Clemson has been able to build this program under devo. When did the tide really turn on the way? CLEMSON is perceived. That wasn't meant to be Obama joke. I just want to know. I think it started in two thousand fifteen when Clemson made the playoffs and they beat Oklahoma and they almost beat Alabama in the national championship game to work hard to stop forty five forty Alabama the and. They lost the game. But I think people did not really expect Clemson to challenge Alabama the way that they did and that national championship game and so from that point on they have been given much more credibility on a national channel scale because of the way that they competed against Alabama now in two thousand sixteen they beat Alabama for the National Championship. And and so I think that essentially cemented the way people viewed this program until we get to the season and all of these questions about Clemson and whether they were truly deserving of a spot in the play off started happening all over again they do look beatable Williamson Hannah Ford a slipper. They have not been their best. There have been some national media folk including one who works for our network who have been really hard on on Dab. Oh I think is the most annoying winner in all of sports. I mean the guy. Just can't keep his trap shut. I mean somebody just give the man a pacifier. The fire sent him to time out. And you've been very critical of daboh because of the way he has tried to defend the program this year here. Obviously if we lose this game I mean they kick us out. They don't want us in there. Anyway we gotta go thirty. You know I mean we got no choice. I do believe the overarching point. That Dabbagh was trying to make. Is that Clemson has been here the last five years. What they have done is nothing new? We one hundred fifteen games decade so as Ohio State so is Alabama and we've played both of them and so it doesn't matter the conference affiliation just look at Clemson in football and the way they've been able to turn the tide on this program. I did it to Meena. I use the turn the tide to is there this is there. It's it's an easy lab but the way that they have turned this program from being little old clemson too big big bad potentially evil empire Clemson and some of that might have to do with the fact that Clemson doesn't lose and people just get tired of seeing the same team team winning over and over and over again but I do think people started a view clemson differently when they showed they could not just compete with Alabama but beat them coming up. Why the difference between Alabama and Clemson Mike come down to a piece of playground equipment? ESPN daily we tell. The stories or use of the world's greatest teams coaches built championship teams with players uniquely qualified for their roles. That's why you need indeed for Your Business indeed provides. It's tools like skills tests to help candidates show the perfect hire for you post a job at indeed dot com slash. ESPN daily and try skills tests for free that's indeed dot com slash. ESPN daily terms conditions. Exclusions apply So Andrea how would you say Davos. Coaching style compares to that of his adversary. Nick Sabin I have been in the Alabama Emma football facility and I have been in the Clemson football facility and there are a couple of striking differences but the first one is that Clemson has a slide and Alabama does not. We're kind of slide. Are we talking about like a slip and slide water slide playground slide need a visual. There is a a playground slide. That goes from the upstairs of the football facility all the way downstairs. It's silver and there's not got any twists in it or anything like that but it is a slide like you would find somewhere on your local playground and Devo takes it all the time. By the way I've I've been down the slide myself because you kinda have to when you walk in there and you see the slide. It's the one of the first things you see when you walk into the city. How do you not go on the slide side? You're compelled to go on the slide so if you wanna sit here and boil it down. To what are the key differences the slide to me represents percents. Who daboh is Andrea? How would you react if you saw nick? Sabin go down a slide. I would think that the world was coming to an end. I feel like that would be the natural reaction. What has happened here so coming into the season after Clemson won the championship last year and brought their star quarterback Trevor Lawrence inspect? What were the expectations like for the program? I would be hard pressed to find preseason publication that did not have Clemson in the playoff awesome. I believe Clemson was universally chosen as a team that would get back there. You looked at the schedule. Looked at WHO CLEMSON had and you look at the trajectory of where we all thought Trevor Lawrence would be at the start of season and it was hard to avoid. Avoid thinking of Clemson has the number one team in the country. And that's where they were until the North Carolina game. And that's when I think a lot of people started changing getting their minds about Clemson Clemson Clemson had to who come from behind to win against a group that only won two games a year ago. That had a true freshman quarterback playing a lot of people suddenly certainly started to wonder a new about the clemson schedule because it almost felt as if that was a loss for Clemson even though they came back back to win the game we've dominated eleven out of twelve games dominate. We're not any different. There's no pre North Carolina. We just had one close game where we stopped. We turned it over. We gave a big play. We just didn't do it but we want we want so the knock on Clemson. This year has has been that they've played a relatively weak schedule. Andrea explained to us how these schedules are put together. In the first place and why Clemson Clemson slate was comparatively not as strong the non conference schedule that teams put together are made years in advance dance with the idea that the teams you're scheduling are going to be pretty good and when you're at a program like Clemson and you're trying to compete for championships and you understand that strength of schedule is meaningful. You try to schedule teams from power five conferences that you think are going to enhance your schedule and and so if you look at Clemson's recent history. They've played Georgia. They've played auburn. And they play Notre Dame as well this year it was is Texas am. They beat 'em last year and the Texas game last year was held up as one of the better wins in the clemson schedule this year Texas. Am was not as good as they were a year ago. And even though Clemson dominated that game at the beginning of the year that game did not give clemson any kind of cash when it came to saying. Hey Look at our premiere non conference schedule and it's because and was not any good add in the fact that the ACC had no other ranked teams for a long stretch of the year. And all of these scheduling. I mean that Clemson tried to do non conference at ended up not paying any kind of dividends or benefiting Clemson because it was hard for them to overcome overcome the relative weakness of their conference as a whole so Andrea on one hand Clemson has been incredibly dominant as you wrote there the evil full empire on the other hand they are the rebels. Swear this isn't it. Disney synergy thing. It's just in my brain right now but you know they are actually the underdog dog in this national championship game. And that's how Davos seems to be characterizing them which is correct I think if you're daboh sweeney they're both correct and you're going to use is it to your advantage however way you can. What's interesting to me about the way? The perception has shifted about Clemson is this was the lovable lovable. Underdog and now that they've dismantled and taken down Alabama and they're the teams that everybody is gunning for suddenly in this national championship game. Some people might be rooting for the evil empire of all conferences to take down the lovable. Clemson Tigers Lillo. CLEMSON blows my my mind. Every time I stop and think about wait hold on people might be rooting for an SEC. T- everybody universally outside the SEC is totally against the conference conference. But I think that really speaks to the success that Clemson has had so they actually are the underdogs in the national championship attention. According to Vegas at least does that surprise you at all. No it does not surprise me and honestly I think that has everything to do with. LSU Hugh and not much to do with Clemson because of what Lsu has done for the bulk of the season against stronger competition and the way that they completely dismantled Oklahoma in the semi final. I think made everybody believes that. LSU Is on a collision course with destiny in history playing a national championship. Game in New Orleans. Which is essentially going to be a home game for Lsu so after the championship? Amy should game regardless of what happens. LSU's quarterback Joe Borough is going to NFL Alabama's quarterback to tango is also going to the NFL. Meanwhile Clemson's quarterback Trevor Lawrence is a sophomore. So he's going to be back next year. Regardless of what happens in the Game Andrea Desert mean Clemson will once again be the favorite in two thousand twenty. Yes and that is what makes Clemson the new evil empire right and this is for all the Clemson fans who are probably tweeting at me right now. How dare you call us the evil empire? It's more about this idea that you have this gigantic program that has taken over the world and refuses to go away. They are going to continue to try and dominate everyone to annihilate the competition and to not feel sorry about it they might do it with a smile and a joke and some dancing in the locker room. But they're still going to try and take your head off every time time they're going to go out there and play so Andrea Clemson is like the death star if the death star had a slight Thanks Andrea thank you go evil empire and coming up a betting scandal royals the world of jeopardy Yes jeopardy New Year new budgets every small business has unique needs when you partner with a Dell Small Business Technology advisor you get real time tailored advice. 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A week later word of WHO wants to spread and win sports books. Start to notice a few big bets on one competitor the assumed the integrity of the market was well in jeopardy. So shut down now. It's possible that the rumors are incorrect. Correct we won't know for sure until the tournament ends. But in the meantime and I say this as someone with zero inside information I'll take in jennings for a thousand awesome. Alex I mean and this has been E._S._p._N.. Daily double. I'll talk to you tomorrow.

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It's Clemson week

Silver & Black Pride

09:30 min | 3 months ago

It's Clemson week

"Hello everybody this is Bill Williamson. This is over and Black. Pride. How are you? This is our weekly podcast. Do Weekly podcast here in the season. Happy CINCO DE everybody. Kinda you a theme. This week is GonNa be Clemson Week. Why clemson come on you know? Why clemson five clemson players in the last two drafts? It's almost ten percent of the Raiders. Dra- roster coming from one school in back to back years. It's pretty amazing. I got a lot of CL- glimpse in coverage this week. I talked to drew Snyder. Vespas nations shake in the south when he was going to be honest show but he had some technical difficulties so he couldn't make it but we had a good talk. And you know they're expecting these. Clemson guys become raiders now and when when these draft picks are happening. Yeah Ten Amuse Raider John Simpson Raider. 'cause fit. What the raiders are looking for big performers at huge programs and high character. Guys all five of these clean feral first round pick last year number four Trayvon Molin second round pick last year. Cornerback in probably start this year. Slot Receiver Hunter Renfrew. Who really came on the last year? All of those college performers and big programs who are just like Muse. And Mr John Samson you know through gave me some interesting inside and all these guys. Most the most of those five guys weren't the greatest the biggest recruits to Clemson. And you know this is Clemson. This is top of the cream of the crop so they came in with Western expectations other players. And they all rose to the top of that program. Johnson is the exception. He was all American Charleston South Carolina. But you know we all know. Hundred was walk on end up being an iconic player. In that school's History Clinton Ferro had a injury in high. School wasn't a huge recruit came in and became a four year player. Didn't play much redshirt freshman. Mona so-so tanner amusement. There's a baseball football player. He's a better baseball recruit from glimpsing. So these guys were all self made guys guys at Mike Mayock once guys Adampur. Sweeney says hey this is the type of guy that made this program what it is. That's what they want these guys to be raised. They WANNA take the raiders to the next level with these type of guys. Feral beasts superstar. I have my doubts. I think he will improve. I don't know he'll be a great pass rusher but I would probably be a solid d and maybe never a pro bowler but a solid guy. Good in the locker room But you know you want more of them at more from the number four. Pick of course but we'll see he's never going to be giving them a lot of problems and he can't improve. I think it'll be a solid quarterback him and Damon are net. Could really grow into a nice pair a cornerbacks and then you have A Meek Robertson Jonathan Abram bracket this could be a really a defensive secondary that can grow together Hunter Win. Renfro had thirty five catches in his last seven games last year. That's a lot. I can see this guy having hundred catches out of the slot within two years. Why can't he go from forty nine to eighty this year? I know win bone is GonNa take some of his reps from the slot but there's still plenty of unity for Renfro in this offense and then Tara muses probably going to be a special teams come stuff. What the specialties. Were Daddy Pie. A special team guys first. And then let's see if you can play linebacker. He played safety linebacker in the for the Clemson Tigers. Right now the rarest thing he's going to be more linebacker but he's special teams guy. He probably be a special teams ace. Before we know it John Simpson is a guy who will probably vied to be a starter and your second year. So yeah I talk to drew. Got Really good stuff from him. I said this is Clemson Week. I talked to woody mccorvey. A huge part of the CLEMSON program a huge part. He basically runs the show. He's dabbled Sweeney's right hand man. He's top liaison to the NFL from the program. And I had a nice chat with him today and I have a story on silver and black pride all the players and the connections. How they've got to know the raiders people. Mike may make Mike mayock spent a day with with Dabo Sweeney in the club last year. During the Season Jon. Gruden was going to be the keynote speaker to the football clinic this year but it was cut short because it was cancelled because of the corona violent virus which. I'm getting sick of. I'm sure you guys are to be safe out there. Everybody You know that. Crockett former Raider player Scout. He's big part of what the scouting at Clemson. So it's really fun connection. I had a lot of fun right in. The story is checking it out today tomorrow. I'm GONNA do something talking to Jim. Nagy from director the senior bowl on John Simpson and he thinks John Simpson's the best Griman Clemson has produced in the twenty years that he's St scouted that program. Wow Wow. He thinks he could start very soon then. We're going to a watch party tomorrow. Night of the Clemson Alabama two thousand eighteen championship game. Where Mike Mayock was there and scouting all these guys know. They got eight guys in that game. Eight guys the five Clemson guys that we've been talking about today. Josh Jacobs Henry Rugs and Lester cotton a backup undrafted free agent from Alabama Guard. He probably won't make the team so you you're GonNa have seven guys when that team that game on this roster this year so do a phone little watch party with that so it's just hey it's may after the season it's an unusual connection five players from one program so let's take advantage of it. It's Clemson Week here so I hope you enjoy that getting to know these guys a little bit more again. This off season just doing short cast news today. The raiders cut does Shawn Kaiser. Moving away from comes in here. People thought he was going to challenge. Derek Carr he wasn't GonNa Challenge Derek Carr. That wasn't going to happen so he's gone. Komi the LINEBACKER Nuradaim has gone. He's a undrafted free agent from last year. There are a lot of people thought had a chance to do some things. Well he never developed. That's okay it happens but they cut some some guys. They signed Samyong a ten year veteran tackle ten years. He's played sixty eight games. So he doesn't have a a for sure path to the roster. He played four games with the forty niners. He's a backup just veteran backup. We'll see if you can make the team. He signed some undrafted free agents against sign. Some more undrafted free agents just a busy day for the Raider nation again in in in kind of a slow time. You know. There's not a whole lot going on but we're going to do a show once a week and again. Just get to know you guys better. You know I've done raider podcast. Three different places I've been SP nation since February. And I love it. I'm very happy to be here. Hey Proud to be here and I don't want to be anywhere else. So that's her twit show just to get to know some of these clemson guys have some fun. This is Bill Williamson. This is silver and black pride. Take Care we'll talk to you next week. Be Safe have fun talk to you.

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Clemson/ Alabama Dynasties

College Football Live

22:31 min | 1 year ago

Clemson/ Alabama Dynasties

"It's the Wednesday edition of College Football Live Magic along with trevor manage and market spears much to discuss over the next twenty nine and a half minutes including awesome season win total over runners for handful of college football teams pluses the dominance of Alabama and Clemson good for college football. That's coming up. I we know what undoubtedly is good for college football players reporting to practice because we will have practices then games make way for the reigning national champs the Clemson Tigers reporting according to pre season camp today last year they won the national title with the help of Freshman quarterback Trevor Lawrence. Laura Rutledge tells us the second AC could be even better than the first it was the biggest stage Dave of his life and Trevor Lawrence soon brighter than the Levi's stadium lights the chargers worse Alabama reclaimed their as the mighty tied fell Lawrence's legend grew and so did the height for his encore. It's so time showtime so what Will Trevor Second Act Brain and he possibly recreate the magic of that January night that had many wishing. He wasn't two years away from the N._F._l.. Anything less than a heisman and another natty will feel like a plot twist when you watch Trevor Lawrence Awards so the ball is special when the curtain opens on Clemson Season August twenty ninth it will reveal a loaded offensive line to protect their heisman hopeful the Tigers backfield features the nation's best back Travis and they have a one two punch at receiver t higgins and Justin Ross that will give defensive coordinators liters bits tartars combining an exceptional past with a very manageable schedule and Lawrence's unshakable nature it just might result in a better act to than act won awards so with Sixteen Sensational Call Him Dragon slayer giantkiller killer sunshine or distress undoubtedly he'll play a lead part in college football this year Oh and just wait for three remember. He did not start the first four games last year finished with thirty touchdowns four picks impressively look what he did in the two playoff games three hundred plus yards in each h nearly ninety five against Obama a ninety nine point nine Q._B._R.. In third down situations which reportedly is very very good you've ever managed. We will start with you. What do you anticipate Trevor Lawrence doing for an encore for an encore? He'll just keep improving on the craft of quarterback and that's that's the thing that really blew me away last year guys. It wasn't necessarily his arm talent which is there it was the fact that he made the right decisions for the right reasons as a true true freshman he was able to apply his offense to what he saw in front of them defensively correctly that's part of the craft of quarterbacking and he will only get better at that to make this answer short throw more touchdowns and throw one lesson Sampson and probably lead the nation in what he's doing. These these are these type of guys that that are Trevor Lawrence's of the world are generational talent so what they do is they keep defying what we think the good quarterback we're back play years and I've heard these talks about tanking for to trust me. There are teams already tanking trevor knowing that he has two who years left to play collegiate football. That's well. That's the thing we went from house this house this freshman quarterback GonNa do now my goodness we. He's he's got to play two more years until we can consider going pro. Speaking of going pro. There are a lot of guys on this defensive line that went pro. They lost all four stars ours but they just reload every year marcus why is Clemson so dominant on the defensive front year after year because they recruit fruit shake as simple as that and also they have a tremendous defensive coordinator that I don't know gets enough credit for how much the success it is team has has been over the past few years in in venables and when you think about what Clemson has done to match Alabama is been from physicality standpoint we we get enamored with the receivers and we talked about Ross and T._v.. That you get a lot of really good players Marcus. You mentioned defensive coordinator Venables. Let me ask you this as a defensive player. Would you rather really react or would you rather attack attack. I would rather take all day. Traumatic spend all day with you know his mantra. Mantra is pressure breaks pints. If there's going to be a mistake it's going to be going forward attacking that offense and that's one of the things that makes him so great you mentioned rich and the athleticism from recruiting that athleticism is unleashed in an attacking scheme. Even though they've got to replace a lot of guys in the front seven they still have star our power Xavier Thomas as defensive end with the speed of running back. Isaiah Simmons is already a superstar at outside linebacker. These are guys that are you're able to step into these roles and continue the attack and that's part of the fun of watching this. Clinton defense continue to reload trevor. I'm glad glad you mentioned that because we talked so much about how teams prepare how they play the most dominant defense is in the history of Football on any level pee wee all the way to the N._F._l.. They WANNA dictate game. Play and Brent Venables does as good a job as any defensive so coordinated in the country and trying to dictate what offenses are going to do. They're mar markets. I gotTa tell is an offensive lineman. I love it when defenses read and react when they come attack doc it destroys everything try to do. It makes my life difficult. I'm glad you're not attacking me now. Good good. That patted studio is C._E._O.. Wall the studios. They're separate do nice having a partition by I was GonNa Mention K J Henry and other guys a top ten player in class. Who's right you know working up the depth chart. There's well that defensive front week to Clemson host Texas. AM The aggies also reported to camp today team that went nine item four Jimbo Fisher's first year in college station not only do the aggies Clemson of Alabama on the schedule. They got George on the Road L._S._U.. On the road that's likely war preseason top ten if not top five teams and has the eleventh toughness schedule in the F. B. S. according to the football power our index so trevor. What is the realistic best case worst case scenario for the aggies best case is they win the S._e._C. C. C. West and GonNa Win The S._e._C. and they have a team to be able to do that. The problem with the playoff is that that game at Clemson might put them behind the eight ball a little bit and it really will show how much respect Clemson has garnered over the years based on what they've done. Look the playoff committee can tell us that history. It doesn't matter you. You better believe history matters. They know what Clemson has been doing. They know what type of program that that was and the only reason we have upsets is because of preconceived notions if Jimbo Fisher and examine them are able to get by Clemson. Let's just say by happenstance because no one playing the game being employees like it was last year that catapult it starts to justify ten years seventy five million dollar contract for Jimbo Fisher and what takes Zan them believed the title Costa he would be. This is a pivotal point for an them to not only compete highly but possibly shocked the world. It's possible and Marcus. I've got to tell you this. Is this amen team. This year will be better. That's scheduled might make it hard to see the results of that but I've been there the last several years on my off season tour last year. Jimbo Fisher's first the feeling was enthusiasm this year it's confirmation of belief because they see what he's asking them to do. Succeed and so what you've got is a situation where for example kill him on the quarterback a few little things in terms of tweaks in the way he approaches the game has made it more accurate and more competent and the rest of the team is looking at that saying. We want some of that for us. How do you get it you keep buying into Jimbo Fisher's program because they've already seen it succeed. There is a lot of reason for hope we saw that last year played clemson like you guys said within two points they beat L._S._U. and a billion over times and so there was a lot to be optimistic about working on back to back top ten recruiting recruiting classes by the way the aggies have only had one ten win season in the last twenty twenty years that was when Johnny Manziel was still playing football up next some over under season win totals but first are you over the Alabama Clemson dominance providence is it good for college football and if not when will it be an interesting creature inhabits the flat arid plains of many an automobile dashboard the bobblehead it's most agreeable able and will not along to anything despite having no brain function but when the ball had here's how Geico not only saves people money but also gives them access to licensed agents twenty four seven online and over the phone not even more vigorously because he knows you should switch because yes switching to geico is a no brainer easy publ at easy. You can get whiplash clemson tigers kick off their season against Georgia Tech Thursday August twenty ninth eight o'clock Eastern Death Valley only the A._C._C. Network visit get A._C._C. dot com check for providers in your area. CLEMSON's dominance look to continue this year and it could lead to. Another matchup with Bama Brad Edwards now with a look at the rivalry. We go over the last decade. There's no question which team has been the Best Austin College. Football Alabama has gotten so good. It's boring but it's just as clear that in the last four seasons one team has become Alabama's Alabama's equal the Tigers re-claim crown by brushing Alabama clemson have better players Clemson have better coaches clemson. It was a better football team since two thousand fifteen clemson and Alabama have identical fifty five and four records and each owns a pair of national championships during that span there are also two in two against one another. He can't get any more even than that Alabama still here so it was Clemson. Alabama Alabama has spent many more weeks ranked number one in the polls but when the tide had fallen the Tigers have been right there to take over the top spot in the A._p.. Poll it's fifty four weeks in county that either Bama or Clemson has been ranked number one. It's the longest stretch with no more than two schools occupying the top spot in that polls Dell's history which dates back to nineteen thirty six the next longest tree is forty eight weeks with U._S._C. and Oklahoma from two thousand three through two thousand five but in that streak there was only one passing the time between Bama and Clemson there have been six lead changes. If you get to where everything's about the result it will drive. That'd be crazy of course being number. One is old hat for Nick Sabin. WHO's Alabama teams have been ranked there for at least one week and a record eleven consecutive seasons over the last fifty years? No other coach has reached that spot in more than four straight seasons but in that group at four straight is Davos wing the Clemson coach is on the verge of joining Sabin and a Very Small Club of coaching elites who have ascended to number one in the A._p.. Poll five years in a row even more impressive considering that Sweeney would would do so during Sabin streep as a competitor you want to beat the best and <hes> Alabama has been the best. E._S._P._N.'s football power index like Sweeney's chances to reach the top spot again in two thousand nineteen. Clemson is the number one team in preseason F._B._i.. Slightly ahead of Alabama in those two are considered by I far to be the most likely teams to reach the College Football playoff. This forecast is partly based on how good they were last year. Clemson won its final ten games of two thousand eighteen by twenty points or more. That's a street that only three other major college teams have equaled in a single season over the last one hundred years and one one of those was Alabama last year when the tide won all of its first twelve games by more than three touchdowns. We're really mirror images of each other. If you really look at it there have always been connections between these two programs as five of the Tigers last nine head coaches played for Alabama including the only three to have one at least seventy five games at Clemson and the only two to have won a national title there but there had never been a rivalry between them until now it's a rivalry that has has nothing to do with the states instead. It's all about the stakes since the B._C._S. began in Nineteen Ninety eight there have been twenty one official National Championship deanship games prior to that there had been ten one versus two bowl games in which the winner was certain to be named national champion by at least one major poll over those thirty one total games. Only one matchup has occurred multiple times. That's Clemson and Alabama which has happened three times in the last four years. I I think the objective is to get the two best teams that's kind of the way it is and if that's not best for college football. What are we what why did we even do it F._B._I.? Says There's there's a twenty three percent chance the tigers tide will meet again for the championship this season and while right now f._B._I.. With slightly favor clemson recent history tilt in Alabama's direction in four straight seasons either Bama or Clemson has been eliminated from the playoffs by the other each time the team that was eliminated one the playoff rematch and the national title the following year. If that pattern holds gets Alabama's turn to lift the trophy this season. Thank you brad resolve staggering numbers when you think about the history of college football where these teams fit into that we're we're living in a historic moment right now so marcus if it happens again. Is this dominance right now with these two teams in this rivalry. Is it good for College Football Paolino. Oh and I'll tell you why because so many people have even challenged me on the fact like I'm for it as a competitor awry you earn your way to the national championship but if we're we gotta contextualized when we talk about good for college football good for any sport is parody. That's the most exciting thing about sports when you have an opportunity to see teams that All of the other schools that play college football that's basically saying this is almost guaranteed when you compare it to everybody else that has participation patient in trying to make it to the college football player and then to it just gets old. I mean look it's it's fun for certain people is fun for certain fan basis in particular but I remember sitting in Atlanta when Auburn was playing Georgia for the S._e._C. Championship that was more of a buzz us that was more of a sense of man we about to get a game. It was an Alabama we know Alabama's GonNa win and they end up in the national championship after this game ain't even though Georgia has pushed them to the brink when Auburn and Georgia plate an S._e._C. Championship the buzz and the building was a lot more just groovy than it has been for so many years with Alabama play whoever they play in the east and everybody knowing what the result would be marcus. These dominating is fantastic for college football and what's good for sport is passion. Some fans love these teams more hate these teams because they're on top all the time that's one reason but here's another they show the way for the rest of college football and how to get there when Sabin in Davos took over their schools they were pretty average and they use different style but similar principles to get to the top and it's not like they both had money clemson had never raised money in the way that Devo Navajo raised money in terms of amount and in terms of number of donors and so these are things that other schools even if they don't have that huge dollars are able to emulate violate if they're good enough they show the path and the result the fruit is on the tree others can do it too and that's good for college football Taylor. I mean I respect that what you just said Trevor but we know Dale well. We don't want to see the same teams play for Nassar the championships everyone. That's the best thing that happened for college. Football is Georgia and giving us those games when you look at the role that Alabama has had take it must have been predicated on the fact that Kirby smart has almost done it. He's almost beaten Alabama to play in the College Football playoff that that has been the excitement to me when you look at the seasons recently the past two years the most exciting point in college football was those games things between Georgia and Alabama forever. I'm with you that it's the two best teams in the these are it and this is. This is pretty cool that we're living in this moment moment so I think I think it's okay for college football for now but at what point trevor does the law of diminishing returns kick in is this like the fast and furious franchise franchise like once we hit number seven number ten. Where is it trevor that law of diminishing returns if it gets to that point was signified the college football <unk> has much bigger problems because other programs are doubling and tripling down Texas saying in Michigan Oregon so many others and if this goes clemson sort of Alabama for too much longer it means the rest of them were failing and that's not these other guys fault? They are certainly dominant. It looks like we're headed for par five and it's as as you said it's up to other programs to make sure that that does not happen up next. We're GONNA look outside a Clemson Alabama. We've got some season win insoles from Vegas over for few teams looking to bounce back from lackluster campaign where we had back mm-hmm very very insightful Payton's places featuring peyton manning the first four episodes now streaming online exclusively on E._S._p._N.. Applause right. Let's do some season win total over here cows live forever and Marcus CAESARS has the over under at seven for Florida State. We're putting it at six and a half no pushes. There's no riding the fence over under Willie taggart second season Trevor. I've got him over but I think a lot of the problems last year. We're not taggers fault but he did a good job of solving. I think Florida State bounces back I go under. I don't know how fast you can get good at the offensive line in one year. When you got Clemson lineup Florida Land Up? I met Dave door or from N._C.. State I want that gotTa Win. Every damn football game his team plays in always count on you being unbiased Vargas by the way Florida state hasn't and had back to back seasons of onfield record of six wins or fewer since seventy five seventy six season Alright Nebraska Scott Frost second season. Today Are College Football Meetings Korea. 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Episode #057  Lil Ole Clemson?

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Episode #057 Lil Ole Clemson?

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So it's going to be a great episode. Also want to talk a little bit about signing day. Coming up we're going to have a good signing day. Recap episode on Friday and so really excited to talk about that. I WanNa talk about signing day. kind of what's going on right now leading up to signing day for coaches and in the industry and then also on Friday we'll recap signing day kind of how how everyone finished how it went and really excited for for this episode and next week we will be really breaking down the two two you playoff matchups to episodes next week. I don't Christmas is there. So we'll do one episode. Probably the twenty third one. The twenty-six twenty-seventh to preview those two games and really break them down in analyze them. I've been watching a lot of film on these four teams and I don't want to neglect the other ballgame so we will do an episode talking about those other Games too but anyway let's let's get to the show despite or do you do what everybody else does. Create some shit on the wall and see what sticks which are what I see everywhere. Why are we added citing? I'm a a man on forty. When my time on earth is gone I activities here are fan I once? They bury the upside down. Critics Kiss My. I welcome Episode Fifty Seven Evan Minister Sports as always. Thank you for joining us. Just want to apologize that these these shows are getting a little kind of inconsistently released. But we're working on this new new format. It's going to be twice a week thinking either Monday. Wednesday Tuesday Thursday. Unfortunately this week as I mentioned last episode. I'm a little busy on Thursday. Got A big court date for that that at that time I was such a criminal in went to pick up my kids and for those that. Don't remember 'cause my ex wife decided for two weeks not to give me my kids like completely defied court orders and so finally had had enough. I hadn't seen my kids in two weeks so I talked to my attorney and and he said I have every right to pick them up from school so I went to the school to pick them up and the school come to find out. There's been a little collusion between the principal and my ex wife. I think there's maybe some wine nights I don't I don't know what goes on but anyways really excited for Thursday it's time to clear my name get an acquittal Dole and just let the lies and all that nonsense begin to unravel so. That's what I'll be doing Thursday so I apologize. There will not be an episode on Thursday but there will be on Friday eh so fired up for that. Also thank you for tuning in but before we get to Anna. Hickey I wanNA talk about signing day. Like what what happens on signing day. Here's what people I think need honest especially with this new signing data's early signing day which has been around for a couple of years now. It's very different. It's really V.. Signing there will be a handful of kids. I would say that ninety. Nine percent of big time programs recruits will sign. Now you'll have some lower level recruits that don't sign because they're trying to either find a home or those smaller schools. Maybe you're trying to see where the chips fall. And but as far whereas big time recruits ninety nine percent are going to sign on on signing day this week and for coaches. It's like that's the finish line. I mean you go all all season grinding. I mean we talked about the so. You want to be a coach episode. I think it's one hundred ten or one hundred twenty hour weeks workweeks the minute it's over. You're you're flying and state to state to city to city. I remember one time I was. I think eight states in five days from Arizona California Colorado Georgia Florida the thing. I went to Tennessee Virginia. I I was all over the place as so you do that for two and a half weeks straight. I guess it's been two weeks you do that for two straight weeks weeks and then when you get home on the weekend you have recruiting weekend. So you're spending all day all night Friday night all day Saturday all day Sunday with these recruits. And then you're right back on a plane to do it again so signing day is like the O.. Moment where all your hard work pays off and you're done you now. You're never really done but you're done traveling. They're going to get a couple of days with their families for sure there will be a big signing day party every staff does it and it's a but it is the moment where you're like. Finally I can take a deep breath and relax so excited for for all the coaches in the industry that get to do that after signing day. And so like I said we're going to bring a guest or to to talk signing day. Talk about it and really detail signing detail. The the classes detail where everyone's at and take a look at the national landscaper recruiting other news. And we're going to talk about it a little bit with Anna here shortly but big big news for the Buckeyes Jeff. Half Li the new head coach of the Boston College Eagles and for those. That don't know what's really funny. He is a secondary coach. Obviously Co oh. DC At Ohio state the CO in wide receiver coach from Clemson is a guy named Jeff. Scott who was named the head coach at South Florida so these two units will be battling each other in the semi-final and both of their coaches are going to be kind of absentee coaches. Like here and there. They're going to be doing two jobs so it's going to be. It's just funny that the the two position groups are matched up against each other but what that means nowadays and I wanted to talk about this because I experienced this in two thousand several times but most vividly in two thousand eight in a similar situation as you're watching how state and Clemson go through. Dan Mullen was offense coordinator. He took the Mississippi State job and we were playing for the National Championship Against Against Oklahoma. Well he had to do two jobs because he took the job he needed to recruit but then he also was going to be the. Oc for the National Championship. Game I mean how do you not Tim Tebow heisman trophy winner and so the funny thing is is back then. The support staff was literally two people. It was a adjust to on offense and then to defense so four total. So there's two people it could pick up the slack and I'll never forget it because an attempt he oh actually has has said it many times back in the day. It's kind of old news now but Tim and I together sat down and staffroom for about six hours and we did the entire third down and Red Zone Game Plan for the National Championship Game Versus Oklahoma and it it was implemented and we rolled with it and talk about my first trial by fire helping game plan for the biggest game imaginable as whatever I was a twenty four year old kid but it was really fun experience but when it when these these things happen these guys in. It's a blessing. State's GonNa hire. Carrie combs I heard. I think that's it's not a done deal. But that's pretty much done which will be great. He's one of the finest corner coaches I've ever I've been around and he'll be a great asset bring some NFL knowledge that he gained in the titans. And here's what happens before in that transition period. You really need to look at your support staff because your support staff is. Who can I guess? Smooth over the transition and make sure that everything goes smoothly. Everything's still happens happens. And when Jeff returns or when Jeff Scott returns there will be work had been done right there. There's not going to be a drop off off in performance and the guy that you would say for instance like on offense Corey Dennis left to go to Colorado state. It's urban son-in-law so he's not there anymore and then you have a guy like Louis dossier was used to be a sports. That member wasn't bowling green. He went to Colorado State. Now you're talking about the the key on offense is a guy named Keenan. Bailey Defense has has matt is a great football coach support staff member. He's a guy that they will need to rely on. I'm not sure who CLEMSON's guy is on offense events but the cool thing is daboh. Sweeney is a receiver coach by trade. So Jeff Scott being away just means DAB gets to play. He gets to enjoy and have fun with the receiver. So it's really cool to these guys get those opportunities. I Know Jeff Scott really well. I don't know Jeff Athlete that well. I think I met him once. But it's really good. They get those opportunities -tunities and I'm hopeful that they both have success. Obviously but it's GonNa be interesting to see how this all plays out. But I I want to get to this interview with the most valuable thing. That's going to be on this episode so we're going to take a quick break from one of our sponsors and then we'll be right back with Anna. Hickey support for medicine. Sports sports comes from manscaping. Who is the best? In Men's below the belt grooming manscaping offers precision engineered tools for your family jewels. Ask I have to ask. Have you ever groomed your pride and joy. I will tell you this after our tailgate. This past weekend I had countless numbers of our listeners. Subscribers that it flat told me they were like man that manscaping stuff everything that you talked about how I ordered it and it was a difference maker. 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Always use the right tools for the job. Your balls will thank you again. Skin get twenty percent off and free shipping with the CODE MENACE AT MANSCAPING DOT COM for our listeners. Only special exclusive offer. That's twenty percent off with the free shipping shipping at MANSCAPING DOT COM. Make sure you use the code menace I we are live in studio on Menaces Sports with our I guess I coined this term I gave you this title and I. It's our clemson correspondent are insider our own personal insider Anna Hickey who is a Clemson. Two four seven sports awards reporter. I guess right yeah I reporter I mean I cover recruiting an teams though report covers. It will that is what it is and and really excited have you back on. I know people really enjoyed our last conversation on our on this show and obviously with the matchup and the magnitude of the match up it was like it was like God. Bless us who was like. Oh Man I I know who. I'm getting on so really excited to talk to you. A little bit just to get a Clemson perspective because because as we talked about before people are delusional regionally on all fronts and so really excited to talk to you a little bit about clemson where they're at what and how they feel how you feel about this matchup because the everything's on the line is this is it. Yeah I'm excited for this game. I feel it was like I really haven't been able to die Tun into it yet. Just because I've been totally. My world is totally been recruiting and then before that it was jets got to US theft. So I'm looking forward to win day. Just kind of close the book on recruiting and relatable all my time due to looking at this game because there's just so many fun matchups to look that like I just feel like these teams are the kind of mirror each other in a lot of ways But then I do think it's fun to kind of dissect some of the match ups or one team at have azure over the other and there's so many playmakers on both sides of the ball. Such good coaching. So I think it's GonNa be. It's GonNa be fun lead-up I've said it for about I. Five weeks maybe six weeks that in my opinion these are the two best teams in the country. And it's reminiscent for me of the twenty fourteen year when we played Alabama in the first round and then went onto play Oregon and it was not even a question what game was quote Unquote Actual National Championship game. And it's very similar this year to me because is when I watched the film on these four teams in the rest of the country. Really I think these are the two best teams in the country. Clemson real estate and I'm really curious I mean obviously Daboh has had success against Ohio estate painfully for me and and the cool thing is people have started to switch opinions. And that's what that's what most people will say. In in my opinion it's they have come back to reality that this Clemson team is the real deal like they're really good and people wanted to act like they weren't for a while but people are now kind of coming back like. Oh no they're really good good and so my question really is what is the feeling in Clemson South Carolina Right. Now I think from a team. Perspective True or not. I think a lot of it has been exaggerated by Dabo The whole no one thinks we're any good our players aren't getting recognition. Team isn't getting recognition. The playoff committee. I guess he didn't say committee but he said something like pretty big insinuating waiting that they wanted to leave Clinton out Find a way to keep Georgia and that whole that whole thing so I think that some of that's exaggerated but at the end of the day. I mean. It doesn't really matter what we think of. His team is totally bought into that. And they're entering this playoff with a chip on their shoulder and they're thinking that it's kind of them against go world because they've that's worked for them in the past And I think if it's not broke don't fix it. Indaba was just kind of keep clinging to that what I think is interesting though is that they're not the only team coming in to this game with a chip on their shoulder because Ohio state I mean thirty one zero. I know a lot of these these players on on that team but still I mean they know that happened and then also they probably feel gypped. LSU got the number one spot not necessarily because they have to play Clemson but because they felt like they probably deserved it Especially because they had the number one spot the week prior so I think both of these teams are going to come out feeling like like they have something ready to prove. And it's not just no I agree and I think this is the game of the year and I don't care what happens in in thank you don't think. LSU You don't you don't see them being the number destiny in that country. No absolutely not I've just because their defense because their defense I mean their offense is the best offense in the country. I don't think anyone could debate. Otherwise I mean they're often lines a little suspect but otherwise on offense. I think I think clemson might have a case for best offense country if their offense of what you get a little bit better play from their offensive line. Then what we've seen in recent weeks but I'm still I don't know Joe Borough I just feel like Lsu team maybe they're not the the best most complete team. But I don't think there's any way you can say that they won't be Clemson. Our House State National Championship now. They're dangerous they're dangerous. They're they're dangerous and the reality is Clemson. Might have the best offense in the country. They might and people will point to the fact that they haven't been tested and not that that is a end all be all it doesn't if you're the best offense in the country and you never play anyone that can challenge you. It doesn't mean you're not but joe boroughs done this year through through the gotten that he's faced and don't get me wrong. I'm the first to tell you that it's not the gauntlet that the national media will want you to believe it is but it's still it's still a gauntlet. It still wasn't easy. I mean. Some of the pass defenses he. He faced top twenty five in the country. I mean I think he faced four five top. Twenty five pass defenses in the country and he had his way with them and their offense aligned certainly hasn't played well but Joe Bureau kind is the eraser he makes up for it. I mean in in past breakdowns. He finds a way to get out of the pocket. Make a play a and I will say so I released A. I guess I haven't heard anyone else do it but it was an all. CFP Team All appre playoff team took the four teams of valuated every position and kind of Said who in my opinion on film evaluation. Who was the best tackle in the the playoffs etc etc.? And what's funny is it was almost an I would say seventy percent. Oh have they clemson. It really was and okay quarterback I had to put Joe Borough had to and not that. I don't think Trevor Lawrence makes a case or Justin feels. I mean I think reality is. You're it's the four best quarterbacks in college football that's what's cool and so you're debating between the four best it's not like there's an easy discard I mean to say. That jalen hurts doesn't doesn't have an argument. He certainly does they all do. But I had to put Joe Borough just because the numbers in obviously the heisman trophy winner but not not that I think that is has has pulled provides any validity to any type of evaluation. But tell me this. How does the Clemson camp view this matchup with allows data? Ah I know the history with Ohio. State the two bowl games we face tableau and Clemson and they were loaded like they are this year but though this is a different different staff different program different team how how does the how do people in Clemson South Carolina view. This matchup right now. I think they're pretty confident And I don't know I think that stems from this offense clicking on on all cylinders right now No one is able to slow them down in recent weeks and then I just think the trust that they haven't brought vegetables to come up with a plan I I I think I think too. I don't know how much people are actually watching film. Both teams Because if you are in my opinion I don't think you come into this match up saying Oh this team perserve Hersher GonNa win or this team is for Win or cousins GONNA win by at Toronto points or high stakes going by X.. Amount of points. I mean maybe that happens but I don't think I don't. I don't let's see how you can enter that match up with that in mind just because every time you look at one advantage one team might have you can combat that with another advantage that the other team might have so. That's that's what makes this so interesting. It's GonNa come down to what matchup really matters And maybe what team makes the most mistakes lease mistakes. Turnovers is that sort of thing Anyone any Clinton van thinking that you're GonNa see thirty one zero outcome or something like that. I mean I think they're full Hulan themselves and that any Ohio state fans that are thinking Okay and Clinton haven't played anybody this year and we're going to bring that too late I think they're full themselves. So I I really don't if you're asking me for an outcome I dunno where I'm GonNa go with that yet but we have plenty of time to kind of figure that out before to make a prediction eh. Plenty of time. Plenty of time to over analyze everything everything everything. We analyzed Ad Nauseam and it won't disappoint. That's for sure but I guess the real thing that I'm excited to see is and people are no this Ohio state fans. Don't know enough about him but I'm interested to watch. Watch the debate. The two best defensive players in college football. We're going to play on the same field on December twenty eighth is Ao Simmons and chase. Young are the two best defensive players that I've seen on film and it's not really close. Talk to me about the talk about Ohio. State's defense and chase young and also I guess give some perspective on Isaiah Simmons who he is and how dominant he's been because he's kind of a hybrid his stats aren't always the most dominant and unflamboyant. But I've watched the film. He's ridiculous and I don't think people realize that you know. I think I think people realize that. I don't think that they realize maybe. Just how many spots than ables winds him up and just because he's a linebacker in dropping in a coverage are just really the linebacker and blitzing. I mean they'll still put them hope so lineup as deep safety sometimes so it's not just the fact that he can he can run. Run support an play coverages. How many places they can line him up? Where is pretty similar? I mean it's it's not somewhere to chase young. I mean they're not don't they don't play the same same position obviously but Ohio state. They're not just lining him up. You know on side putting a hand down there lining him up at linebacker sometimes and doing all sorts of things with him. So it's just both of their versatility and you just always have to know where they are on the field They're just put two incredible defensive players and Under the first I part of this question was was chased. Young are was at Ohio State's defense And I've been watching them a little bit and what sticks that sticks out to me. Can you can answer. This is just how they stuck to their scheme. I mean they always GonNa play a single high. Is that what they're going to do against consent. I mean they're very very committed. I mean they're committed to it and for Clemson fans. It's bizarre I get it. It's like it's like a very strict identity and they believe in what they you do and they do it really well. And it's it's total opposite of Brent Venables. Obviously there's several ways of skin a cat and both work obviously a very high level. You're talking about probably the two best best defenses in college football. But yeah. That's what they do. And they'll throw a wrinkle every now and then mostly in alignment and scheme upfront. Not necessarily in coverage coverage is much but It's it's definitely They are committed to what they do. It there's not a lot of weakness on our state defense at all. I think maybe I mean just has a ton of playmakers and then when you account for Trevor Lawrence and now he's been using his legs recently. That's just another dynamic that I think Ohio State is going to have to account four so I know they haven't stastes playmakers like Clemson this season. I mean I think you could look across the board say Lawrence is the best passer they faced each and the the best running back. They faced Clinton perimeter skills the best they face. I mean it honestly that they face a running quarterback that is more effective than Lawrence of they they certainly have not faced a a team with the weapons. That clemson has. They have not think it's going to be interesting to see how they defended. I I think it really is. The cool thing is like you said people are going to debate this and talk about it for whatever the next three weeks or two weeks but the reality is neither team has faced. A team came even close to his loaded as Ohio state or Clemson and so there's a lot to wonder there's a lot to see because Ohio state is certainly not an animal animal like Trevor Lawrence Travis. At the end I mean you. Talk about T- Higgins just across the board. They haven't faced anytime anyone even close nor has clemson so it's going to be cool. It's GonNa be fun to watch. Play out live. Yeah no I agree. I'm interested to see how Ohio state kind of prepared for that. Two headed monster if Clinton because they they haven't faced a ton of balance attacks. I mean I guess Michigan and they had some success in the first half through the air But the they haven't faced a a auburn offense that not only the talent that Clinton has but just the two headed monster where you have to do. Do you play the run deep. Play the path. Yeah I mean kind of pick your poison type deal So to me. That's going to be interesting because I think there's some success to be had from Clemson's point of view maybe with the linebackers for Ohio State. Where do you see that as a matchup advantage it just depends on how it all plays out? Does a good shot Joe. So how does a good job protecting their linebackers with one high zone coverage stuff they do. It's it's a lot more Zone oriented space oriented. They can definitely find nine matchups. But you're going to have to do it with tight end running back now travis. Eddie and provides that that matchup issue and and and I detailed at last episode but in my opinion Travis Sdn is the Doak Walker Award winner. I don't really give a shit. Who wanted or who was up for it? He's the best running back I saw on film this year and people. Don't give them the credit because the lack of stats which is nonsense in my opinion. But he he's he's the key here. In my opinion I mean. They haven't faced a quarterback Trevor Lawrence. They haven't faced a receiver. Like t higgins. But I feel like they'll have a plan for those two in the throw game. The reality is how do they stop. Travis in how that that that to me is is on in defense for Ohio. State the match up to watch. Yeah I think that is too but I also think that it's not a given that you're just gonNA run all over Ohio state because because against South Carolina and even Virginia those fronts helped more than held their own against Clemson's front So I think CLEMSON's offensive line. They're going that'd be challenged a little bit behind the scenes leading into this match up to kind of man up a little bit Any kind of a surf there will because Clinton was able to get away. Okay with it past game against Virginia and South Carolina because the passing attack was just on fire so it didn't really matter But against Ohio state you it comes not GonNa win this game if they can't get utan going in my opinion and then It also be interested interesting to see if Clinton utilize a lot time personnel Just to Kinda create more mashups advantages and then but then if you you take off tight end you're going to have one less person to protect and then you gotta worry about chasing. There's just so many what. Yes so many variables so many variables and and I will say that. I mean two of my favorite tackles that I watched are Clemson's both tackles one of which is an Ohio boy Jackson Jackson Carmen but especially impasse. They're not the toughest in the run game but impasse. They've been they've been pretty good and they've been. Yeah not that I I. Don't I know how often those two will be lined up against each other young and Carmen but that is going to be interested to see how if Clemson can't they think Carmen can handle him I'm I mean no one has really been able to handle them right. I mean you'd have to double team. Sometimes I guess but yeah that that's going to be fun. It's GonNa be interesting to watch and especially really because he's in Ohio kid so Ohio state fans will be hoping that it goes the Buckeyes way for sure so switching topics a little bit because because both teams have a predominant coordinator that has taken a head coaching job. Jeff Halfway just took the Boston College Job for Ohio State. Jeff Scott who we talked about on the previous episode episode just took the South Florida job as the head man in Tampa which I think is phenomenal higher especially considering the location and how I know him as a coach in a person but talk to me about the departure of Jeff Scott how that will impact their offense. I know Tony Elliott kind of calls the offense with Jeff but wh- Whoa just talk to me about the dynamics talk to me about how that came about and what the feeling is on Jeff leaving and how that will affect the Game Affect Affect Gameplay in effect how they operate how. What's the impact there? Yeah I think this is a long time coming but no one was surprised when this happen. You're able to kind of keep. They've obviously had such solid staff continuity and kind of unprecedented ended in this era of college football but This was just the right fit. I don't think anyone really questioned that. There's you know solid backing walking down there in terms of A. D. Support Just got knows. The area He I think he thinks he can win. There he can recruit there is just a lot it. It just seemed like the right fit for a lot of reasons But from like a game from a game standpoint with against Ohio State I. I don't really think it's GonNa Affect it that much because because like you said Tony elliotts primary play caller So it's not like Clemson hasn't had an offensive coordinator in town all this this time I mean. I think I'm pretty sure Jeffrey joins the team. I WANNA stay on Thursday Wednesday Thursday And then he'll be with Clemson here here on out so yeah he hasn't been at Clemson this past week but Dabo's already had the clan in place because he knew this was going to happen at some point to promote offensive analysts Tyler Grisham too wide receivers coach. Tom Gresham his. WHO's been working? Who played for Clemson played for Sweeney and has been back? I think for six years now Kinda taking the rain so and has been working with the receiver so I don't really think Gomez beat from that perspective Especially to because Dabo his background and then wide receiver. So he's I spent most of his time in practice anyway. Well the reality is that like you just said I mean the head coach Dabo Sweeney Receiver Guy. Yeah no different than Urban Meyer. So like if I had to go on the road recruiting urban just step in and coach my position as well as any receiver coach in the country. And that's what Dabo has been able to do. I just think it's so crazy. That look you're talking about two new head coaches at big time programs and it's the secondary coach and the receiver coach like their players are going to go against each other. And both of their coaches have not really been around and they're they're leaving just now exactly when just athlete. Get back I think he'll probably get back around the same time. I think both both of them are going to a Seattle signing day. I mean obviously got hired later so after signing day. There's no greater recruiting tool than being in the playoffs. As a head coach of some other team I mean we. We saw stay with Tom. Herman as he was the head coach at Houston but saw through the playoffs. Because sure enough we won the national championship. And he through on that Houston had and that was the best recruiting. That could have ever happened for him and his new program so that's definitely obviously happening for both of them but it'd be surprised if the effects either team just be too much just because it's not like it's an awkward situation like maybe sometimes Alabama in the past or it's like all right can't believe this guy's leaving or kind of awkward timing. I think maybe he was more of a surprise that he got this job. But no no one's GONNA no one's faulting him for leading. You know what I mean. I feel like everyone around. Both programs are super happy for their guys And let's be honest. Go to these. Schools support staff are humongous. So it's not like they're going to be really affected from a game planning point of view very different than in in two thousand eight when I went through it as a and it was literally like all right. We lost a full-time coach. There's only seven of us so we need to pick up the slack. Nowadays there's fifty so it's not a huge manpower loss for sure it's going to be interesting to see so so you you already said you won't give me a game prediction but I need a game predicts in anything. Just throw it out. What I think it'd be some key? Matchups nothing too groundbreaking. I don't think people have already touched on but I to me. If you're Clemson you're most worried about the run game and I'm not just saying JK Dobbins. I'm saying the run game because of what fields can do as well. Oh and just watching some of their games recently Penn state specifically. You'd see this. The read option and their their backers and safeties will get caught flat-footed because they'd be waiting to see if the mesh point is gonNA keep it or give it into by the time they realize what's happening fields are dobbins are already pretty up the field and you're chasing them from behind and the way Dobbins can get outside the edge. I just don't know Clemson's going to be able to contain the edge against him. Moustache against Ohio state tackles if month thirds healthy and now he's been having some back issues but that's just going to be. I mean I. I don't know because you can't stop author Ron if you're Clemson then it's GONNA be uphill battle big time And then I thou- to that'll be key I think The the other thing that impressed me about fields was that I haven't really watched much of him. This season but as a runner I guess I thought he was more of just a fluid guidance. Face that can make did you miss. But he can get some dirty yards like he can get you three or four yards. Its second in six. And then you hand out the dobbins he gets four more yards in your third written two or one and that yet. You're going to get that first down so just how efficient they are the run game I think is huge. Because you don't have to necessarily ask fields. She kind of put the team on his back. From passing standpoint he not saying his limited as a passer necessarily. But you don't ask him to make all of these reeds and decisions and And I think if Clinton's not putting fields thirty five thousand six hundred and seven hundred long situations it's GonNa be a long night because he is in those situations nations. I think venables will be able to disguise stuff coverage wise maybe bring some unique unique glimpses. That will maybe give him some trouble that he hasn't had all year But IT J Dobbin talknet run game was going along. I think we're coming on the defensive side of the ball and then I think clemson offensively. I think it's going to surprise. Some people may see how well they're able to move the ball against Ohio state I Know Okuda Arnett. Wade are terrific corners But they haven't seen anything anything like Higgins and Ross. So I think especially in Michigan. I was watching. That Game Collins had a little bit of success. Explore Guy I'm going up in the air against the KHUDA. I don't know how much he actually moved the ball. But there was a couple of times or may holding or P I could have been called so I think with Lawrence parts of the bill it throw those balls up to those receivers fifty fifty balls. Thank you can see Higgins and Ross knitting make some place And then to me what I what I will give you. Your prediction is taken over. What is it like sixty two and a half sixty three and a half right now? You're taking you're taking over. There's only prediction give me. Maybe like I said I have preserved the right to change my mind. A lot of time left. No No. You're you're your healthy the fire right now. I'm just surprised that I I think I think both defenses will have trouble stopping these often says. Maybe I'm wrong. But but that's after watching Ohio state kind of obviously haven't been washing clemson all season. That's just my initial impression right now. Aw without works I I think the good thing is this is this is the hardest game all year to call and it'll be harmed. It'll be harder to call this game than the National Championship in my opinion regardless of which teams make it out. This is the game this is. I've I've caught it for six weeks. This is the best two best teams in the country. And they're playing each other. You know in a couple of weeks in in. I don't know how anyone could give an accurate prediction outside of what you just did or what I've talked about but I'm excited for it and I know you are too. I know everyone is but The last question I'll ha- I'll throw out there and not necessarily a person for person or recruit specific but just in my experience. He's having been in the industry for fifteen years and going through these these successes in making play offs and things like that and how impactful that is with signing day coming up this week. How how has that? This success on the field and another playoff berth for Clemson parlayed into success on the recruiting trail. And how do you see their class. Finishing up just in general perspective perspective I think the two thousand eighteen glass was related class where it was like okay. Clemson is now recruiting putting on a national level They're going head to head with not only like Georgia and Florida state. But now they're going head to head with Alabama Ohio state and their fucking kids out of Texas even having success in California and I think you know Ohio State always had success Nash Lane so Alabama under Nick Saban Notre Dame in schools like that but I think Clinton Clinton definitely has not had the experience in other words experience success the team nationally with national championships that came before the national recruiting. That makes sense absolutely. Yes so I don't know the OH. I think that's pretty unique. Because we will. Now descend Clemson as such a national power that maybe Dave soon that Clemson that brand has carried weight and other basis outside the southeast for a while. And it's really not the case it's really just kind of come on more recent years Clinton's they're recruiting strategies. Still going to stay saying saying I mean they're still not always gonNA take big classes. They're still going to focus on a smaller pool of players relatives to most schools. And then really just key she and those guys and hope it pays off in the end Because that's worked for them before they invest a lot of time and energy into lesser guys. But they feel really confident in those evaluations and they pretty good track record in her strategy is a really really good but in this class. I think they're number one right now on the country and both overall ranking and then rating per our commitment which I think is more I look at that more than you know overall rating just because of how health side there you know you could. It happened one team. sonnen twenty eight. Now they're standing twenty year the number of the number of kids. Yeah yeah the number of kids you bring. It doesn't matter. How good are the kids you brought in? I'm with right so so They are number one rating for commitment. Right now I think edging out Georgia I think is number two but So much change and obviously going going into these next two days and then again in February but I think right now Clinton is positioned to house shots to finish number one for the first time ever for twenty four seven ranking being so that would be exciting for Clemson fans in Davos leaning. I mean I think he'd rather not be that way. Kinda prided himself always. Yeah we've never had a number one. He loves little CLEMSON HE LOVES IT. D- loves playing underdog but his thing like yeah. We get our guys again. If I who we want you could care less about stars though you're going to be able to say not again. Well it'd be scary to see what what Clemson could be you with quote unquote better players. My Gosh like how much how much better could they be bringing in their D. Line classes. Just get get birds and don't even ask that kid is going to that. I don't know but if they get I mean even without him. There de Lyon Hall is just pretty incredible stolid offensive line haul really off on hall especially for Clinton here. They're not like Georgia where they're gonNA land at five stars with ease. That's not a position that they've recruited The guys that consistently so for their standards definitely really good class Obviously DJ young lay the quarterback on bringing in five star linebacker trained Simpson that they just landed Really good DB's too so across the board just this really really strong class and regardless if how they kind of close out but do think the land at least one guy on Wednesday and then maybe Birch and then another one I think they could possibly be close out with and February. That'd be a heck of a hall for for for Dabbo and I'm interested to see if he can keep playing that all shucks all shucks underdog role. If they start bringing in the number one class I think I I think closer so entertaining that like a lot of times. I'll I'll tweet them out and I'm like I'm not a Clinton Fan or if I'm a fan of another team or even a medium member following me. I'm like commuting this girl I just got daboh Again and again and again. It's kind of like we get it but I don't know as long as he's saying. I think like huge storyline storyline because his team. Kinda takes persona so I think it's it's been fun to follow and I can't. It's just we haven't even gone to like the Media Day portions out Arizona and we're just going to hear it again and again. I'm not gonNA love him. He's he's not Mike wikileaks. I'm not knocking it. I'm just obviously worked. It's just from a media perspective like if you think you're hearing a lot like from a fan or from an outsider like we hear it all all of the time it's talking to the media and we are the media you know the the local media but a lot of times he's just using us as a messenger. YEP head type your his avenue to to play his narrative to the world. We're the media too but yeah well it's going to be exciting and I'm excited to watch it and we definitely need to get you back on. Maybe after the game after we see what happens just to talk about not at all or maybe even before I mean I feel like there's a lot more to discuss than your I mean you could. You could talk these nacho chips all day you still could be going around circles. I feel like the reality is neither team has faced a team like they're about to face and and we don't know nobody knows shoot the own the teams don't know this pre pre prepare them as well as you can and then roll it out there and see we got. Yeah exactly well I appreciate you coming on. Tell everyone Where they can find you on social media to get all this clemson insider info and please Don't hold any Buckeye hate against me personally. But where can they find you on Social Media Anna Eight two four seven And what holiday against if you don't start falling me until after when day Thursday because he's next couple days will just be recruiting stuff. But then I'll turn all my focus this amen from Raleigh that I'll get back to Raleigh. Spent a couple of days with family this weekend and then I fly out to Phoenix on Monday. So I'll be there all week coverage I'm really excited about that. Whether Yo will you have to give us some perspective from out there then so yeah definitely go follow Anna and wait till Friday. If you don't want the recruiting tweets but on Friday hitter are up on twitter and follow her and get all the Clemson perspective so you get both sides. Not A one-sided narrative right. Yeah Yeah for sure. Well thank you for coming on morning. I really appreciate it and look forward to having you back on as always thank you all right cool. Well we appreciate an coming on as always a great interview really great insight site and great knowledge. So thank you Anna Hickey. For coming on and make sure you follow her on social media to get all of your clemson updates and then we're excited about two things. I've forgotten the beginning of the show. We're going to do a bowl pool and it's going to be a bunch of merchandise and stuff like that as prizes. It's free to enter. It's GonNa be subscribers only so if you're not already a patriot. Subscriber go subscribe now at Patriot Dot Com forward slash menace to society podcasts. Go and subscribe. We're GONNA put this spreadsheet or link out on tomorrow on Wednesday so that you can fill out a bowl pool of bracket any every subscriber can fill one out and still. I'm still trying to figure out what that first place prize is going to be. But it's going to be something that you're going to be like Holy Shit. 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How "Lil' Ol' Clemson" Overcame the Odds

The Lead

19:50 min | 7 months ago

How "Lil' Ol' Clemson" Overcame the Odds

"They were just three days away from the CFP National Championship game. And and there's a familiar name in the mix downfield fires turned are not going to be disturbed to close their ticket. To the comes in has now been into four of the last five title Games and we've all gotten used to seeing them as a national powerhouse but historically the Tigers have not been a top programme and in many ways the deck is stacked against them today. The Athletic Stewart Mandel joins us to talk about how Clemson has overcome the odds to become a dynasty in in the making. And why they're about to get even stronger from wondering athletic. I'm could beat the Davidson an and I'm also. It's Friday January tenth and this is the lead it felt like something great. There is something about the emotion and took over the past. Don't matter on. This isn't a story. Clear the apple it stays with you. Hey I'm Dan Rubenstein the host of sports wars from wondering on spores we dive into the biggest rivalries in Sports History Street. And this week. We're starting a new four episode series on one of the great clashes in modern basketball. It's the superman vs the super team. That's right it's Lebron on James Versus the Warriors Fun Little Nugget. Did you know that Lebron James and Steph curry were born in the exact same maternity ward at the same hospital to hear you're all of the ups and downs and get in all the drama of how their rivalry unfolded subscribe now to sports wars from wondering well Stuart. We're here today to talk about Little Clemson. First of all where where did that name come from. Davos swinney has been using it basically since he took over as the head coach back in two thousand eight and I know we're not supposed to be here. We're does willow beer but we about the Tigers man. I'm so proud and just quickly remind us. How much has little clemson accomplished in the last five years? And how do those accomplishments stack up against some of the all-time great teams. This will be their fourth national championship game in the past five years and obviously they have won. Two of the past three national championships backpedaling Lawrence flips absorb open wide open just native. Where's the pen strengthens? Its the championship game really witnessing one of the all-time great runs right. After or maybe you know in conjunction with the dynasty that Alabama has had attack territory with very likely a victory formation and a fifty fifth win but this clemson senior class. The Tigers Tigers reclaimed their crowd by four Alabama. We are really truly talking about one of the great runs. We've seen in this sport and yet they seemingly get no respect at least if you listen into what Dabo Sweeney has to say we win to the team that beat South Carolina. And it's we we get clemson out. It's the dad gummed state so it's big because you know they can't vote us out. I mean we gotta we gotTA WE GOTTA go thirty. You know I mean we got no choice forced but Stewart I wanted to talk to you about some of the things Clemson has had to overcome to get where they are today because in some ways it makes her accomplishments even more remarkable. So let's start with the schools location. This is a school that is in the tiniest towns announced in college football. The main drag is a half mile if that they have one of everything and only one of everything one starbucks Fox Walmart. You've got this eighty thousand seat stadium hundred fifty thousand people rolling into the town on the weekends. it's incredible bull and but then they all leave. You know Monday through Friday. We kind of have our own world and it's named Clemson. It's not named university. University of their state and Frankly University of South Carolina has a much bigger fan base in that state. CLEMSON's not even the biggest Followed team in their own state. And I imagine it's harder to build that fan support when you don't have the state name in your school's name 'cause fans can identify so strongly with the state there from. Yeah I mean obviously the one big exception in College Football History Notre Dame that has a true national following but that goes all the way back to the nineteen twenties and and new rockne is taking them on the train and playing games all around the country. It's truly unique when you think about the kinds of programs that we're used to seeing at the top of the polls the Alabama is the Ohio states. It's the US's these are schools with big huge national fan. Bases Clemson truly is still even with all the success mostly a regional school well and a lot of people might not realize this but clemson has had to recruit locally for the most part I mean. It's remarkable if you look at their roster. How many of the guys as our from North and South Carolina Georgia in Tennessee every program? You know the the core of their recruiting class is going to be in their backyard. But clemson's up until recently. He was almost entirely from their backyard. And really that mirrors Funston as a school their alumni base something like seventy percent of the alums live in three states South Carolina North Carolina and Georgia. This is not the kind of place where anywhere in the country you go. You're going to find clumps in Bar And one other big thing. That's working against Clemson. Is They play in the ACC weaker conference where where they don't really have a rival and it's almost like people forget about clemson during the regular season because you know they don't have very many marquee games. Yeah everybody watched. Trevor Lawrence and Travis E. T. N. and and T- Higgins in last year's national championship game and saw how great they they were and then the season starts in people. Stop watching the game. They played against Texas. Ain't ammon week to was the most watched game they played this season A little over six million viewers. That was not even one of the top twenty most watch games in college football this season. And if you look at that list of the top Twenty Games Ohio Hi oh state was in five of them. LSU was in four of them Michigan. who wasn't even all that good was in three of them? When talks about lack of respect the thing that bothered him most is this year? was that none of those star players Trevor Lawrence WHO everybody assumes will be the number one pick when he's coming off his junior season travis? CTN has been one of the best running backs in the country the last three years. None of those guys made the heisman ceremony. And none of those guys were even finalists for the award for the best is player at their position in. That's not because they're not great players. It's because nobody watched them this season. How has clemson been able to overcome some of these kind of systemic? Systemic challenges. The fact that they aren't this historical powerhouse. The fact that they're in this tiny town in the middle of nowhere South Carolina would have been the keys to to them building this program into what it's become. Yeah well it really all starts Dabo swinney. He is a extremely unique personality in college. Football one moment along the way that I think have stuck with everybody was Dave beat Notre Dame in practically a monsoon in twenty fifteen regular season and they interview him after the game on. ABC what nine listen. We're giving scholarships give you stipends in tails in a place to live. We're giving nice uniforms. I give you good service tonight. It was big. Well Gee Bring Your own God put some dads and to me that personifies daboh like. That's not something. Most coaches coaches would say in a post game interview and kind of set the tone I think from their Dabo. Swinney is the fun coach. He's the coach who when they built their new football facility. They put in a PUTT. PUTT course welcome to the outdoor pavilion miniature. Golf Renfro just happened to catch the game winner in the National Championship Against Alabama. We'll see what he's got here. Your place on Punsalan rest for the weary. We'll at hunter and so that became their brand there. The Fun School there the place you want to go if you WANNA play college. Football get an education education and have a lot of fun doing it and to amplify that message. Clemson was really ahead of the curve. I think With how they used social media to appeal to recruits they are constantly putting out videos And other images that show exactly that that show that take you inside side. The Locker Room and inside the facility in show you how much fun they're having Show you Dabo swinney dancing in the locker room after a win Stewart. How would you describe Devil's dance? Moves dance moves are about a clunky and awkward as you'd expect from a middle aged dude but but certainly in keeping with his his personality. There's also a video that they posted of Disney filming a football ball movie at Clemson last night. Any five thousand people here. We have to shoot three plays and the entrance from valley in a half of a half time. Half time the real players went off the field and a whole bunch of actors and Clemson. Uniforms came running onto the field and the and the the crowd cheered them on. And and you know made it seem like a real football game and the footage is going to be spectacular. It's one of the three loudest crowds in Clemson visit history. And what role has the rest of the Clinton coaching staff played in the rise of the Tigers when Dab oh I started getting a going at Clemson they weren't a national powerhouse yet. They were starting to get better. He did something that was a little unusual at the time and basically took a lower salary for himself in order for them to spend more on. assistant coaches. Because at that time. They weren't necessarily rolling in money like some of the programs that they were trying to compete against. They they were paying their coordinators top dollar money and those coordinators played a huge role. I mean they were the ones that certainly Chad. Morris was the one that recruited and coach Sammy Watkins Skins and certainly does Shawn Watson. The guys that got this run started now. They are rolling in money. An data was making nine million dollars a year. And that's you know that there's no longer a disadvantage for Clemson. But they were very smart about how they went about managing that in the early years of this run. 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The lead thirty to start reading today it and we talked earlier about how Clemson for a long time was doing. Almost all of its recruiting locally really. Is that still the case. We've seen that change over the last few years there are now able to go to any part of the country in recruit some of the best players Last last year they signed a five star Receiver Joseph Nada from California and that was the first California recruit they had signed since nineteen ninety. One they come back a year later and the highest rated quarterback in the country. This year was a kid from southern California. Dj Younger Lali Show Man. This guy hit really household. Name is the limit. I'm a nonsmoker. Limited Clemson University. He could have gone anywhere. He chose Clemson. He's flying across the country to go play college at Clemson so they've certainly extended their recruiting brand nationally. They are going to sign. Find the number one class in the country this year for the first time and that's a little bit scary to the rest of the country because they've already had all the success and only now are they landing even even better recruits than they did before and also the university itself applications to Clemson have increased since Davo became the coach and in particular out of state implications have increased with each year of this of the football team and all the exposure. They're bringing to the school more and more kids from around. The country are applying to of that school and so is it fair for Daboh to still call his team Lillo Clemson. I think when people hear him say that or somebody else who clumps and say that they're they're suggesting that the program itself is little all Clemson. Nobody believes that everybody at this point knows they're a powerhouse. They're playing for a national championship. That if they win it'll be their thirtieth straight win and along the way they've beaten Alabama they beat Notre Dame. There'd be it Ohio state now they've gone. LSU To me Lil Clemson is the school in the town and Yes they truly still are relative to other football powerhouses very little very regional Very secluded and obviously not as big TV must see TV branded as some of the other blue bloods in the sport so Stewart Clemson is obviously asleep. This historically great run over the past five years but given how many things are working against them is still a sort of fragile program. I think at this point Dabo Swinney has made this a pretty recession proof. Program certainly helps that. They're in a conference where I think even a down year for Clemson might involve evolved losing one. ACC game or two ACC Games in terms of daboh possibly leaving. That was something that I think was a more legitimate fear at the beginning. Hang of this run and in particular relative to one school. Alabama dabble is a former Alabama walk on receiver. He coached Alabama. But but at this point given the program he's built there. I don't think anybody believes he would leave for Alabama he. What is Alabama how to offer? The clemson doesn't at this point wait. They're they're achieving all the same things Alabama is in more so I think he'll be there for as long as he wants to be there that doesn't mean they couldn't have a take a step back back at some point I mean almost every dynasty eventually ends and it's because they have recruiting class that doesn't pan out or off-the-field stuff gets them a scandal. Could that happen it clumps in sure But at this point I don't think they're fragile. I think they're they are rock. Solid rock solid a program as any in the country at this point and if clemson defies the odds and wins against Lsu on Monday what will that mean four award the programs reputation going forward if Clemson wins this game given Alabama didn't even make the playoffs this year to me. That at that point question over Clemson is the King of college football. I assume they will be preseason number one whether or not they win this game on Monday night but I also assume zoom that we get to next season People will want them to prove it all over again and rip rip them for playing in the ACC and all those things. We'll see maybe this will finally the National Championship. That puts it over the top well Stewart. Thanks for joining US and If clemson does win hope you get to be right next to Davos these dancing that that would be awesome. Thank you for having me. You can read Stewart Mandel story about the Clemson in Tigers on the athletic dot com. Here's some other stories. We're following at the lead some bad news if you're a vikings fan wide wide receiver and wildcard game hero. Adam feeling is now questionable for the forty niners game on Saturday after injuring his ankle at practice and getting stitches But feeling vowed to play on preparing for Saturday and and like. I said I'm going to do what it takes to help the team win. And whatever that is whatever. That role is I'm GONNA me out there and and do my thing and listen. The Vikings are going to need all the help they can get with that niners defense. Especially if Richard Sherman lining up on the other side of Felim meanwhile seventy sixers star. Joel embiid gross out earlier. This week with a gruesome sideways finger injury. Yeah he did so embiid who exited earlier with an issue. In your mind we see with that. Is yesterday the big man was diagnosed with a torn ligament. I mean I could have told you that and we'll be reevaluated. 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Clemson/Word Association

College Football Live

22:30 min | 1 year ago

Clemson/Word Association

"I welcome into college. Football live alongside andrei where who has won the heisman trophy and greg mcelroy who has has seen the heisman trophy i._m. Matching we begin though with a low that is taking college football by a storm and award winning duo taking a tour we're of college football seven schools in seven days from maria taylor and holly rowe and the appropriately named taylor road trip from oregon to georgia and now to clemson the rating national champs winters of two of the last three titles holly maria joining us now we just saw quick glimpse there some of the sights and the sounds house of your trip and death valley. What have we gleaned. What did we learn from our latest. Stop well first of all shake. We'll wait for you to come up with an award that someone would actually give us for doing what we're doing in here right now clemson you know they had their third practice. Yesterday they were only in shells and tonight the practice again and they'll actually start putting on full pads pads tomorrow but one of the big things that we've noticed or a question mark obviously that you would have coming into clemson is what happens when that two thousand fifteen classes gone all the leadership that was guys like christian wilkins and they were very big group and now you have over forty players on the team that are just freshman and sophomore so there's a lot to be learned a lot to understand a lot that dabbles gobbles working with right now as they get through one of the things that data is trying to talk to them about is yes. Our program has established dominance. They've won two of the three last national championships egypt but nobody on this team has won anything this year. They are starting from scratch. He believes their theme for the year is carpet. D._m._c.'s the day today and in january and things will work out well and he believes in a lot of signs that are pointing in the right direction the best reaction. I'm so happy to see it mattie you. You had the picture of think trevor with rainbow right behind. It was amazing. Yeah can have rain the ice. You can't have ray without some rain so yes what praxis about right just grinding it up and so it's been a good few days and i just wanted wanted to know on a scale of one to ten. How awkward is it that we currently have the same hairstyle. Look a little superior than my know. How do you get that swoop shampoo. I probably wash my hair too much like every day. Give some examples of how you've shown that leadership already i think just <hes> <hes> just little things like showing the guys who care about him being serve leaders big thing in our room that we talk about a lot and also had the linemen over once for cookson burgers and just kind of hang out and do stuff outside out of here. We're trying to be of meat is required and did you do the actual cooking. The servant girl so i was grilling made like twenty four four burgers. Ten of us has one. It's hard to believe trevor. Lawrence is a true sophomore coming enough national championship performance but he has tried to work on his game. Dabo sweeney has an exit interview with every player kinda gives them their orders moving forward through the spring and summer and some some of the things that trevor was working on footwork. He wants to be able to extend plays longer and better for this clemson offense and said you know i want to work on some of my mechanics. He was dropping his arm a little little bit too much late in the season so a lot of things that he's trying to build on for that sophomore season. He's got so much work with here that position. It's pretty <hes> pretty amazing. They get them for two more years hard to fathom how good he will be at the end of his junior campaign ladies. Thank you so much and we'll be looking forward to more more from you. As your trip continues here on this college football tour coming up on wednesday they'll be at another college football playoff team oklahoma check it on jalen hurts and company before heading to the other side of the red river with visit to texas on thursday. Let's welcome back in <hes> greg and andre let's shift back into the clemson tigers the reigning national champs guys when you take a look at their schedule according to the preseason coaches poll who knows how different the a._p. Will be <hes>. There's only two ranked ranked teams that they're gonna have their schedules texas ada evans syracuse. They're going to be heavy favorites throughout given that fact greg will start with you can clemson afford four to lose a game with the schedule and still make the plough it depends on the optics of the loss naturally so if they go out and play like ohio state did against purdue last year and lose by five touchdowns or like ohio state did a couple of years ago and lose by thirty plus to iowa then yeah. That's going to be a really difficult loss to overcome but i also thanks to look. The committee says every single time they put out a ranking. It's a snapshot of what they've seen in college football that season. They're human guys at some point. They have to kinda think about historically just how good clemson's been when put in a playoff scenario so i think just knowing that clemson clemson has been there done that and been successful in the playoffs. I think they would get the benefit of the doubt. If in fact they were to drop the only reason andre where i could see clemson not getting into the playoff is it there were four undefeated power five conference champions and i don't think any of us that i agree with you so in a sense but i i think the earlier the better so they can lose. Yes would be the answer but it's earlier in the schedule when they can lose so you can show <hes> the country and the committee that you bounced back. Maybe there was a player that was was hurt that week and you bounce back and you get to show the remainder of the season. What kind of team you really are as you progress through the season whether it's the a._m. Week or the syracuse week that follows really when you look at the schedule realistically mystically. I don't think there's much to it other than those two games <hes> there's some teams n._c. State has played them tough the last couple of years but <hes> aside from texas saying emma syracuse early clinton seems to have a path of smooth sailing so to speak that'd be interesting to see if they had a loss if they were compared to another one loss team that had a tougher schedule because we've seen it's just number of losses not necessarily strength the schedule. It's gotten you into the playoff college football teams taking the field to begin camp as our high school. School teams are riles back as head coach mount vernon high school in east texas. He'd been previously coaching in italy unable to coaching job in the u._s. And see was fired after an external investigation revealed in may of twenty sixteen at baylor had for years mishandled numerous sexual assault allegations by students including some against football players. Here's brion on monday. You know it's honestly it's not about me and i mean i've you know i like. I said i've been doing this a long time and and <hes> if this is the last dance i'm good with it. You know i was good with italy been last dance. You know so it's it's got nothing to do with that. I mean i i would hope they might maybe could look and just say you know maybe if you just keep keep walking forward. You might have a chance to <hes> to be looked at with okay <hes> graciousness someday and then that's that would be the only thing you owe anybody. I if if you're asking about baylor yeah that's that's been addressed in the statement and so i'm not at liberty. I wish i could always i could about andre. Would you let your kid play roles. I'd have no problem <hes> allow my son to play for our brows. I think when you look at it he's shown remorse he has apologized <hes> numerous amounts of times and when do we as a society get to <hes> to the point where we get to pick and choose who gets the second chances. He hasn't been convicted. He hadn't gone to jail. I think he he he honestly deserves a second chance and he's getting it at mount. How vernon <hes> those code kids will be coached up. Well i <hes> i'm not looking to a college coach to raise my son for me. My son will know the difference i between right and wrong provided he's able to go to it to a college campus in play football basketball baseball whatever it is <hes> but he will be. I i will do that job. His job is to coach the players that he gets not raise my son. That is my job well first of all. I don't think he did edge. Show a ton of personal accountability throughout everything that happened at baylor was reflective. I don't think he was remorseful to the extent in which he should have been so i disagree with andrei he will never coach another day in college football nor should he but as far as letting my son play for him at the high school level yeah. I don't have a problem with that add to a certain extent but that's because my son after he gets done with practice every single day. Come home where i am going to keep a close eye on him. That's one thing that brought did not do a very good job of it. You can't be all one hundred and twenty-five places with everyone in your players twenty four hours a day when you're a college coach but the things that he did. I think <hes> things that went on under his leadership. We're problematic so he is coaches last day in college but as far as what he's getting now at mount vernon high school. I'm perfectly ok with him continuing taking his career. We'll continue to disagree with one another on this topic. I happen to think that <hes> if provided his age at sixty three years abso- i think somebody will give our brows a second chance to coach college football and then for the what you're saying about having your son or him playing for him as a high school student duda that's fine. I get it but my job as i mentioned is not to keep an eye on my son wants. He's out of my house although he's going to college i've i've got trust in everything that i've instilled in him that he knows the difference between right and wrong so i don't have to hold his hand whether it's in high school or in college once once he's old enough. I've done enough along the way that i can trust that. My son knows the difference between right and wrong and he's not going to go out and harm anyone. It's gonna be interesting <hes> as well. If your parent having a conversation with the coach and how proactive are you being and maybe rectifying your past and making up for what steps are are you taking to educating these young men that you are in charge of <hes> in high school and whether it be in college in the future to make sure that what happened under your watch doesn't happen and again so a lot to be seen there and certainly will be following his track there at mount vernon there in texas a reminder. We are just a few weeks away from high school football. Tom first college football game on s._e._c. network. It's clemson and georgia tech thursday august twenty ninth at eight o'clock eastern death valley only on s._e._c. network visit get a._c._c. e._s._p._n. Dot com to check providers in your area. If you don't see your provider listed contact them to demand they carry a._c._c. that work up next next. A lot of people say in texas is back. Andrea greg might have another word for texas. We'll do some where association straight ahead. It's college football. Let's consider the secret life of the innermost. Nesting doll living must've must've life in the dark inside the other nesting dolls. He has plenty of time to think if could sadly she has no brain however when most nesting doll here's is the kyko not only saves people money but also has been providing great service for over seventy five years. She thinks it's obvious you should switch because yes switching to gyco is a no brainer raina pity the innermost nesting doland lot in life time now for a little word association here on college football ball live. I'll give you a word or phrase you tell me the word associated with it. You know recently tom herman the texas head coach said texas is the mecca of college football other people saying texas back act. Let's come up with a different word here andre you star texas is what it's a mystery a mystery to why there isn't more success says each and every year at the university of texas when you look at them i think it's the best job and not only college football but all of football the resources where where they are geographically <hes> the the recruiting bed that they can they can reach north south east and west and yet every year we have to say is texas xs bet they're underachieving if they are the mecca of college football. How can you possibly justify just one national championship championship since one thousand nine hundred seventy fifty years guys and by the way they need to just think about owning their own rivalry oklahoma for instance in that same time time frame four national championships so if they're the mecca of college football. They got some serious work to do when it comes to bring home a national championship. I unfortunately too got a little too literally big. It's a huge state takes two days to drive for that. Let's go to u._s._c. now. They hire graham harrell as the offensive coordinator andrei underrated moved to the air raid u._s._c. Adopting the air raid is what i guess desperate when you go oh five and seven and your jobs on the line and you clay held and you're going to try just about anything you can to win. Football games you've recruited to a certain system is to each and every year for the last four years. It's supposed to be quarterback you <hes> they might like it. The quarterbacks for certain we'll like a great it's mind blowing to me to think that the that i grew up with and early two thousand carson and liner reggie and all these incredible players. They were a pro style multiple style off with a quarterback under center n._f._l. Running back long wide receivers on the outside multiple tight ends on the field depending on what the down and distance was just like the fact that they have adopted. The system of today is insane to me so i'll be curious to see how it works out. Clearly is a a <hes> a desperation move for clay. They help make sure that they get this thing back on track finished ninth in the pac twelve and scoring offense so you got to do something and they are certainly doing something right speaking of adopting texas this a._m. The unity council has adopted a policy that the team will stay off of all social media for the duration of fall camp yep andrei no social media for the rest of all cap. That is what give me a word smart. I love it. I absolutely love it because because there's going to see is going to force guys to focus on the job at hand out working through camp. You're not there no distractions whatsoever you just you're just focusing on football and learning the offense and defense and then putting everything you have into what needs to be accomplished for the twenty nine thousand nine uh-huh no social media t the twenty two the only thing i've ever known as social media can't pick up the phone and talk to one of my friends or one of my teammates at the tweet at emerson a direct message. There's no way that this is going to be something that these guys can wrap their head around then again. It is smart and i appreciate it knowing that a that they have an expectation of what they're trying to focus in on during the fall camp but my reaction initially of jimbo fisher were to present if i may ten point to how do we talk to people people how do i what does this interacting you speak of by the way clemson also off limits for the entire season and it seems to worked for them last <hes> eight or so years. They've been doing that for the last three national championship all right next one. This is the one hundred fiftieth season of college football andre the one hundred under fiftieth season of of be is what give me a word rippling writing it now as we speak exciting about that exciting exciting a lot of excitement in this season in college football two hundred fiftieth year. I think there's gonna be a lotta great football. <hes> football games played this year and a lot of tradition built on. What's already been established this. This'll be fun year to to kinda see what's in store exciting. It always is going chaki interpreted as all right. What's this season look like. Are they going to be some surprises. I don't see any guys. I it feels like the usual. Usual suspects are going to be in the running for another national championship. Same teams are gonna be trying to get to the playoff yet again this year so i'm not expecting a lot of surprises this year so i'm going chaki at the way i described this upcoming season. How about this. It starts august twenty four th and this is a long the long season but it'll be fun. There's no such thing as too much college football all right me interesting to see if it's in terms of the heisman usually it's a quarterback award andre you would know that how about a non quarterback heisman winner is give me a word andrei jonathan taylor wisconsin running bag still on the offensive side though but <hes> you've talked about a guy that went over two thousand yards as a freshman last year right at night over nine thousand nine hundred yards. He's got three offensive. Lima returned into wisconsin. They're gonna obviously feature jonathan taylor. He could have one heck of a year and then finish the season with the heisman trophy. It'd be welcomed because don't get me wrong quarterback difficult position to play get all the credit get all the blame. I think that quarterback is definitely the toughest office position to play. But what point are we going to open up. The heisman consideration defensive players running backs are obvious they still get they still get consideration but defensive offensive guys several years in the last five or six years. We've seen capable defensive players that have been invited to new york williams last year at alabama. Tell me he wasn't one of the most dominant players in college football. He absolutely was so. I would love to see something mixed up when it comes to the heisman trophy and to see some defensive love that that those guys get at the end of the season dan. I think the only way it happens is if you shrink the voter pool from like a billion like fifteen. It'll have like a committee yeah yeah we have. We had some non quarterbacks when it in nineteen ninety s all right finally michigan state unveiling its alternate it uniforms the reviews weren't great hit a little lime green and andrei these alternate uniforms are give me a word for these man this ugly something i designed my garage myself and put it together a little needles and thread a couple of numbers. I put this together this. That's that's ugly. I'm going distorted. Those jerseys looked like they were. We're about this big and then you put them on someone. That's the size of a college football player so they expanded therefore the word state got enormous and the number got enormous. It just looks odd so distorted is how i would describe that unique color combination. Don't get away from your true. Greens are unbelievable. I'm disappointed by the uniforms those <hes> those uniforms were built for the nearsighted so there's maybe a small part of the population that will that will like those we'll see when they <hes> bustos those out coming up this season before the season starts. You need help with your fantasy football monday e._s._p._n. Six eastern we'll kick off our fourth annual. Oh fantasy football marathon with twenty eight straight hours of coverage all the fantasy and said to get you ready for your season coverage also and e._s._p._n. Two and always streaming live on the app again the quarterback competitions rage on including at auburn. It's a battle of inexperienced quarterback true freshman and bo knicks redshirt freshman joey gatewood both were top forty prospects in respect of classes both have a shot at the job to replace jared stood up <hes> greg mac or how much will inexperience experience at the quarterback position limit the tigers ceiling this season. They can still do everything they want to accomplish because they're gonna lean so heavily on the run game gus smiles on bad calling the plays so i expect them to shift more from a passing operas from what they were the last couple of years to now a really run focused physical offense offense at tempo so it's going to be that transition yeah i think i think it could hurt a lot and especially early in the season the quarterback quarterback positions everything and gus malzahn offense when you look at what happened with jeremy johnson a few years ago and they got out to a bad start they stumbled out of the gate it would just kind of lingered angered the entire season for the auburn tigers so i <hes> inexperience at that position could certainly hurt him. Yeah joe tavis whitlow and and that core of of running backs coach by cadillac williams certainly going to be their best friend as they had in that opener as you said against oregon. Let's end with this. Mike leach talk about peer pressure his players in washington state force them to do the belly flop and there he goes on drag goodness. Put a shirt on coach. Cover that it up to your out when he just jumped right off the side of the pool. I saw diving board like three feet to his left. Why didn't he go off the diving board right to stay up a little bit that might intolerance looks like it's needed some advice for mark richt on how to do that. Go go straight off the high dive. I enjoy <hes> the o- on wednesday we're back on thursday four o'clock eastern on e._s._p._n. Two thanks for watching.

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College Football Last Look Clemson vs. LSU CFP National Championship January 13, 2020

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College Football Last Look Clemson vs. LSU CFP National Championship January 13, 2020

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It's only a game until you bet at one guest to check college football and college hoops free today that is professionally Kyle. Hundred from Hunter sports picks dot COBB and also better sports fix dot com. How's it going today man going well man Pretty good Monday morning here. Big Game Tonight here. We are the final game. Here we are at the final game national championship. The Tigers will win. Just depends on if it's Clemson or Lsu here in this one and it so a little. Bit Jumbled here this morning it has been a busy ass morning man you know a lot of the prompting stuff not posted early on which is remarkably remarkably frustrating to me. Talk this thing up like it's the Super Bowl. They got sixteen days between the semi's the National Championship game and book still unwilling willing to put themselves out there with these low limits on the prop bets. A lot of stuff going up over the weekend in here this morning massively frustrating for both of us. Yeah it is because We figured last week that everything would be up You know plenty of time for us to talk about it here today and here. We are late Monday morning and still not that much off. It's it's pretty surprising like you. We were talking here beforehand. It's not like they couldn't plan for it and there was plenty of time to get ready so A little bit frustrating. It makes This morning a little bit more difficult to talk about too many of the props but we'll do the best we can. Yeah that's all we can do here is do the best we can. I mean you know I I feel like last year. I mean we had individual defensive player props we felt we had a lot more stuff for Clemson Alabama last year. And you know I mean. I guess we'll get posted sit throughout the day but obviously very tough for us to talk about those types of things here on today's show and tough to write about them as well but before we get into the prop stuff here kyle. We did touch on this game a little bit last week as you mentioned. LSU MINUS Five. This one came off a five and a half over the weekend and also through the total now l.. Coming out a little bit as low as sixty seven and a half out there. Yeah you know. It's been interesting to see the line movement here One thing I did want to point out about the side here here Mister pretty much. Tell you everything you need to know. As far as where the sharp money is where the the public money is. You gotta five at bookmaker. Five at pentacle whole Bova. Six and a half mybookie at six and a half LSU MINUS One fifteen so some pretty interesting odds there clearly the public side is Lsu Clemson the sharp side in this one. I can't disagree with that. You know this is one of those where you know as we talked about last last week. This is a really big reaction to one game and you know I feel like this is one of those games. Where if you take Clemson and you lose you say you know what this is? The type of bet that wins fifty five percent of the time you know these are the types of reaction overreactions to where I have to bet eh if it if it loses it loses you know I I can feel good about the fact that you know. I have to fade and overreaction of that type so while it certainly family could lose and Lsu could win this game by fourteen points or more or something like that. I do feel like Clemson as the right side. When it comes to not overreacting to one game you just saw? Aw Yeah I completely agree with you again. I mean like we talked about last week coming into the semi-finals even with Lsu and the opportunity to play here in New Orleans very close to Baton Rouge obviously as Davos. Sweeney told us over the weekend because you know he had to. I had clemson minus one coming into this hypothetical legal national championship game. It's six points off for my number based on what we saw in the semi-finals and and again I mean yeah. LSU Took Oklahoma in the woodshed. Oklahoma wasn't that good of a football team. We knew that over the course of the year I talked about it. All the way in the lead up to the semi-finals they'd play one. Good half they'd play one bad half. They struggled both times with Baylor loss to Kansas State. Oklahoma just wasn't that good of a team clemson played in some people's minds the best team in the country in Ohio state. If Ohio state wasn't number one Clemson was number one in a lot of those people's minds so massive overreaction here to say the least I grabbed this one of the rogue five and a half here this morning I was hoping for a six. We never really got one of not posted Levada. I'm not taking the six and a half there but I've even play some alternate turn. It spreads here on Clemson plus four plus three and a half plus three stuff like that and again I mean this is because I'm in love with Clemson. I think that they do ultimately to win the game. I I will have a piece of the money line here but again. Just the massive overreaction to what this number would have been an if I get caught with my hand in the cookie jar here and my pants down. You know what props to Joe Borough props the doors Ron props. Lsu for what will have to be a great performance tonight. Yeah definitely me. I mean you know the the fan side of me I'd like Lsu to win based on. You know what happened in the last game. And also I am reading for Joe Borough He's likely to the essence natty Bengal next obviously used to be a Buckeye I like borough I like Lsu and general what they've done. I think one thing that should be pointed out as some people we'll have said in the lead up to this game I've seen this on. TV in some of the obviously very deep analysis there You know it's one of those spots where they've been musing Clemson's last game against them you know. Clemson did not play their best game against Ohio. State or Clemson wasn't very impressive. Ohio state was a really good team. This shear and I'm not just saying that because I'm a buckeyes fan but clemson played an excellent team and it may well be that Ohio state was the number one team. They were power rated number one one by many people for a lot of the season. So the fact that Clemson didn't look great against Ohio state I don't think that that should be a huge knock on them. You Know Ohio states that good especially compared to Oklahoma so you know there's a lot of difference between those two teams and I think Clemson may getting discredited a bit too quickly because of that performance formats. Yeah I think so too and again like I talked about it. We'll transition over the prop side of things here. You're like I talked about one of the props that I'm kind of looking at here. This is sort of my long shot dot probe is the double result prop LSU leads at halftime. Clemson wins the game. And That's plus eight hundred you can find that about online also over at GSI. Yes I and the reason being think back to that semifinal game clemson had a hard time getting up to the speed of that game getting up to the talent level of Ohio state getting up to a planner and a preparer like Ryan Day with the athletes at his disposal. Oil seats should have put that game away early. In the first half they should have been up twenty eight nothing at the break. Maybe twenty eight seven if you give Clemson that pick six but it was a situation. Where Clemson just penn had in an adjustment period there? I think the same could be very possible tonight. If that does happen you know what I did. Take clubs position pre flop. You may end up getting Clemson. Clemson plus eight plus eight and a half something like that from a live betting standpoint because I think there is a possibility that it does take the Tigers the Clemson Tigers. That is a little the time to adjust to this game too that LSU talent level but Brent Venables makes adjustments man. Jeff Scott Dabbled Sweeney. They they make adjustments. You don't do what dabbles done as an underdog in the playoff semifinals in ball games against teams without the ability to adjust so that could be a possibility here tonight and that is Kinda my longshot prop here if LSU rides the wave of the crowd goes out there. Borough puts on a show in the first half. You Damn well know Clemson's going to adjust and I don't see Clemson ever being out of this game. What's like the Ohio stake? I don't see them ever being out of it so. LSU You first half clubs at second half plus eight hundred something. I just went ahead and took a little bit of a shot on. Yeah I think that's definitely were to shop because You know who's better adjusting the venables. You know I think that. LSU's offense is more likely to have success in the first half in the second half in my opinion You I know. That's why wall. Sometimes I like to take unders early on in these championship games. I wouldn't like the under early in this game and I will say that I I would lead the over on the total here and I put up a a free ride up on better sports fix DOT com. About what exactly my number was in my thinking for. Why didn't end up playing the over? But I do still leaned the over I think that Lsu is a as more likely to start out quick and his clemson partially to because Clemson has played such bad scheduled throughout the course of the season. You know this is a Clemson team. That's really played a week schedule but once they get into that game get a little bit ways into playing that really tough opponent They're more likely to rise to that level and they have just such good coaching. I you know I'm not saying anything against LSU's coaching Very Good coaching staff. But Yeah I don't think anybody's. Coaching staff is better than Clemson. So I I liked that as well I think that you know. LSU being in the first half and Clemson winning the game overall would but not surprise me at all so plus what what is eight hundred. Yeah that's a good. I think that's pretty good price. Yeah I thought it was worth a shot I mean again. You know you're not looking to go nuts with a lot of these props and some of these exotic pets and stuff like that you take your bigger positions on the things that you're more comfortable with something aside and total here for this game but I I do think there are some opportunities out there and another one that I kind of took a look at here and this one is only available at five times based on what I've seen the wording on this promise absolutely absolutely asinine what it's Lsu to timeouts remaining I so basically Lsu calls the first time out between the the two teams. I don't know why the hell it's not just first time out climate minus one ten LSU minus one thirty. This was actually minus one twenty earlier on. Maybe I'm out. They're moving lines or something like that. But you know my thought process here is. Can we talk about venables. And we talk about him and his adjustments but also something that makes him so good is that he has the personnel on defense to confuse. The opposing quarterback the back seven for Clemson very very very versatile Simmons can line up in coverage in the slot in coverage on the outside. He could play safety. He can rush the passer. You could put guys like tanner music different places. As you've got the odd fronts for clemson unbalanced fronts. That really bothered Ohio. State in the second half of that semifinal game they give the quarterback a lot to look get pre snap and I think Joe Borough even though he's such a cerebral guy even though he's such a smart quarterback it can be tough. You're in a game of this magnitude even though people will look at this game and say well clubs. It's going to call the first time out because it's going to be such earl. LSU proud yeah that could be the case right the what venables. Apple's does sky's coverage the skies. Let's give borough a lot to look at with those free snap. Reads spree snapped at ups. I think Lsu to call the first time takes a lot of sets here yet. I got it by one twentieth now minus one thirty but I still like it there. Yeah I don't I don't know that I have a real strong opinion on on that one. In General I. I do think it's interesting that you know the wording that one is who has two timeouts left. I mean unless somebody's given four timeouts to start with that we don't know about you. Know it seems like it would have made more percents word it differently. Yeah I I don't get it. I've whatever anyway so let's take a look at here for the big game tonight. I'll tell you only one juan here so far in that was E. T. N. Travis T. N.. Over one thirty eight and a half rushing and receiving yards combined this was minus one twenty yesterday on five five dimes down minus one forty I like it less at one forty. Obviously I like it somewhat. You know I think that the way that last game Played Out with Trevor Trevor Lawrence. Running the ball so much for for Clemson Against Ohio State. I think they did that because they knew Ohio state was going to be keyed in on the run. Game E. T. N. N.. In Ohio states. A tough team to run the ball on just run it up the middle and try to beat them that way It worked you know. Trevor Lawrence running really worked out. Well I would be surprised if Lawrence runs quite as many times he did last game. Certainly think he'll probably run a few times. But Travis has been really good throughout the year and he's a guy that can make people mess very good. Good Pass catching passes out of the backfield. I think Lawrence could be looking to him a good amount here tonight with you know. LSU is going to be dialing up some pressure LSU has very good safeties. I think that. At N Getting some Dombrowski's Nah is very likely in this one and and I do think he'll get some. Some big runs runs as well. You know this is a Clemson. Offense blind has been very good this year Lsu Defense has done pretty well against the run but they're not as good against the run as Ohio state. Certainly I think that Clemson. What least Try to keep the run game going and you would think it would make a decent amount of sense. Try to keep borough and and LSU on the sideline To run quite a bit. I think will get quite a bit action tonight. Yeah you know along those same lines and in fact of course I'm looking here Ds. I wound up taking this one down on. But they had travis at three and a half receptions over under the over minus one thirty five as I look out there at bet on five times. Excuse me it's four four with the juice a little bit but I do think that eats a massive part of the game plan here tonight for Clemson so if you find a reasonable one you bet online and I both have their player props section you should be able to find. ECN receptions there. I think he's a big part of the offense tonight. As you just mentioned so if you WANNA on a play him for yards for the total yards crop over at five times. You WanNa play receptions. I think both of those are good. LSU's really aggressive defensively. They liked to pressure with their linebackers. They'd like to send some safety blitzes stuff like that. They're willing to trust their corners on the outside and I wonder about Trevor Lawrence's trust Russ level in t higgins in Justin. Ross in some of those guys on the outside they weren't good against Ohio state and Lsu's talent level specifically typically. The quarterback position is on par with Ohio states. So I wonder about Lawrence is trust level in those guys to get separation. They got very little of it against install high of state and both of those guys of course banged up in the semifinal game as well I think Lawrence uses what I think he whether he has to as a safety valve with pressure. Or just. Because it's a big part of the game plan for Jeff. Scott I eat. Dan's fingerprints are all over this game. I like the over yards. You mentioned like the over receptions and I even took a little bit of a smaller shot on first touchdown of plus five hundred. Yeah I mean even receiving yards over forty four and a half makes sense too. Because if you like over three reenact over four on pass receptions and you think he's going to be a big part of the game plan probably over forty four and a half receiving yards it. Even money are are minus. One Tan manage should say at five times. I think that makes sense as well. I do think that will be a much bigger part of the game plan that he was Last game against so I stayed and again I mean you. You're thinking about these player. Prop things in terms of game flow. How you expect this to go which match ups you think these coordinators can look to exploit and both of us think that is one of the tough thing here? Is You look over it. And a lot of people love to play overs on player props in in the Super Bowl national chairmanship. They're gonNA see Joe Borough. They're going to see borough putting up four hundred five hundred yards a game. They're gonNA WANNA play the overs but which LSU receiver gets the most targets who draws the best match up here against this really good clemson secondary. I don't know because we talked about venables so flexible Alexa so versatile with the guys in the secondary. I'd have a hard time betting any Justin Jefferson over any Jabbar Chase over. Maybe it's terrorists Marshall. I don't know so maybe they use that. Es Mossel but more here in this game the problem is I just know I think he has good matchups in the middle of the field. We'll be vacated with some some pressure I don't know which Lsu guy. I would want to highlight so you stay away for Yeah I was GONNA say. LSU receiver yardage POPs are pretty ridiculous. I mean chase at about what ninety nine and a half or one hundred Justin Jefferson at one one hundred ninety nine and a half minus one. Oh five on the under under At Bata minds one thirty five on the over. It's hard to take over at a number like that you know We don't know how one game will go versus uses the next as far as If you have good pass receiving options like borough does certainly one guy will will have a pretty good number in this game. It's hard to say who that will be. Think it's a little better to to look at Clemson and say E. T. N. wasn't big part of last game and I think that's helped the number be a bit lower than it would have been and Like you I. I like to try to look at some of the under Props especially in the Super Bowl. Obviously as we just mentioned before don't really have near as much to look at here for this game. But in general I wouldn't go crazy with the over props even though I kind of do lean to the over in this game. Usually these over props are pretty pushed I up there pretty high because that's what everybody wants to bed is the over. Yeah I'll throw one under out there. I think Edwards layer under ninety six and a half rushing yards as a decent look. Tonight I mean again. He should be healthier than he was against Oklahoma. Where obviously they didn't need him in the peach bowl anyway but despite what J. K. Dobbins did to Clemson last year not last week whatever? It was two and a half weeks ago despite. What Dobbins did it still very very hard to run on? Clemson I I think as much as I've talked up the back seven for Clemson in particular the secondary I still think. LSU has to move it throwing the ball. So I don't really like Edward as long as a runner. I think it'd be more effective as a receiver in this game but I do like the under ninety six and a half rushing yards for him. That's minus one seventeen and part of it to me. Here too is that he only had two games. This season where he went over ninety seven yards with under fifteen carries one was vanderbilt built. One was Florida. I don't think he gets a heavy workload tonight. which would require him to have a very high yards per carry if he breaks off one run and it kind of a bust up this up? It's it is what it is but I just don't think he gets the workload and the volume to get up close to one hundred rushing yards. Tonight I would agree with that. I would rather take the past receiving that receiving yards for Edwards Layer Over fifty three and a half than I would take the rushing yards over ver- if you remember to Dobbins was wide open out of the backfield lot against Clemson. I think that Edwards Air will probably have a pretty good game when it comes took pass receiving. I think it's a little less likely to get a bunch of runs like you say. Obviously if he breaks one for seventy yards. Something you're gonNA lose but You take that chance on props crops like this and I would tend to like the under on that one as well well and just as a side note here to circle back to that festival you and I talked I mean Jay Dobbins is a damn damn good running back. He's a dual purpose threat. You know I think that he may have been as good. As Ezekiel Elliott was for Ohio state in a lot of different ways but you talked about the enormous drop off between Dobbins and master teague the drop off between Dobbins and Edward C layer is not the same but Edwards. That's hilarious. Jk Dobbin so that's something people need to keep in mind here too. Yeah definitely I mean you know. Obviously he's not mastered teague but he's also not Jacob and so. I think that there is a drop off they are in. LSU likes throw the ball they have plenty of options in the passing game. I think that they'll throw the ball quite a bit here. You know. I think that's probably still their best chance. move the ball like you said I'll ask you one hero. Quick What do you think of the Trevor Lawrence rushing yards? I see fifty two and a half is what it says the under- Scott some juice on it at at five times. I know a lot of people be interested in that one. So what do you think of Trevor Lawrence rushing yards. I think it's tough because you know we saw obviously Lawrence do so much with his legs that game in the festival and like we just talked about with the fact that he wasn't wasn't really a focal point has probably kept his numbers a little bit on the lower side. Here from a standpoint. I think when we talk about Lawrence and what he did you know so in the Fiesta Bowl. I think it's kind of inflated this number a little bit to the point where I'm not sure I'm interested in taking it and I will mention this last year's national championship the Chip Game Against Alabama obviously at Clemson blowouts Lawrence didn't have to use his legs at ton the rushing yards prop in last year's national championship. Kim The line was fourteen in and a half. He went overhead twenty-seven it was one of my favorite profits did cash but it's a big adjustment year-over-year as much as I think he could. Yeah focal point. You'll from a running standpoint that lines just to inflated for me to take it yeah I I would take you under if I was taking that one. I think that you know this is such a big adjustment assessment if he breaks a huge run here. Then you're going to lose like we said but on the other one but you know I I don't think it's likely he's GonNa get a seventy yard run here and I don't think that Clemson Clemson probably wants him to run as much as they did last game. I guess at an E. T. N.'s. Likely the focal point and You know while some people would would remember what they just saw that last last game and WanNa take the over on on Lawrence rushing yards. I would be hesitant to do so. I would lean to the under and I remember reading right after the Fiesta Bowl. I think it was over at the breath letting something about Trevor Lawrence was watching game film with the backup quarterback or maybe it was Jeff Scott or somebody and they noticed that they could run with the quarterback back on Ohio. State's defense because of that you'll really heavy pursuit. That they have rushing the passer. That was part of the game plan. That was something that they wanted to incorporate great now that LSU seen it a little bit more probably something that they don't want to incorporate as much so again et n your safety valve there. So I think that makes Salata sets there could be a correlation there between Lawrence under rushing yards and e t ed all purpose yards reception stuff like that. Maybe it's one. We're both of them. Come in together together. Yeah that would be my lean as well. I think that makes sense if you think. Et asking to be such a focal point. Likely Lawrence takes a bit of a back seat at least in the Russian game all right. So let's talk for a second here is this. Is Our college football last. Look our final look at the two thousand nine hundred season. I always like to ask this question of my guests. Listen I'M GONNA go ahead and pose it to you here on today's show as we take a look back at the college football season as a whole what worked for you. What didn't work for you you? What are you going to look to incorporate? You'll for the next season here as a win. Totals Games of the year or not that far away. Yeah I mean you know I I wish I had gotten to work a little bit earlier on win totals. I did do extremely well in the win. Totals that I played. I wish I were played more of them and been able to get on those earlier. It's it's something that you and I talked about before the the time that those are put out so much earlier than it ever used to be I'd like to be more ready for that this coming year and I think I will probably bet more those As far as the game by game plays I finished the year are at this point. I should say I have one play left here but Thirteen and thirteen onsides for the year in College. Football and on totals I was sixty to forty six so This is a a good year for me in a seventy five and sixty. I'm never going to complain about hitting fifty five percent I do wish I played a little bit more volume. I've been a little bit shy to play as many games as I used to partially. Because I know that it's hard on clients to have you know you're going to have more swings when you play more games and you know. Get this pretty often in college basketball. You know I take thirteen or fourteen games. When there's a hundred and fifty games to pick from people? Say What are you doing. I mean this is too many plays but you know if you think in relation to how many games James there are you know. It's not as much as if you play three or four games. When there's you know thirty games to pick from and a slate normally so I think in college football aw I would probably like to play a little bit more volume next year because it feel like do have edges especially in the totals market to where? I'd probably like to play a little bit more than what I did this year ear so I'm probably going to go a little bit heavier on the volume Like to get a little bit earlier on the win totals but in general. I'm happy with my with my season this year. I mean for me. It was tough because I started out really poorly in college. Football things got a little bit better as the season where long. I had a hard time separating separating the bad baseball season that I had from the start of the college football season and just overall in general I need to just take a different perspective. Here you know a lot of times. It's you know what's GonNa go wrong next. A lot of people that had a very bad college football season a lot of closing line value didn't work out and that's shit that permeates everything then poisons everything that you do here in this business and that's something that I have to really focused on if I have another bad baseball season which obviously I'm not planning to do. I can't carry over to college football and similarly if I do really well in baseball I can't let them become any level of Hubris going into the college football season it has to be two independent things you know whether it's part of the same bankroll or are you have separate Baker for each sport you just have to keep them separated you know and that was something that really bothered me early on in the college. Football season is that I got so excited excited to dig into a different market. Get a head start with that. And then when the results didn't really wide up with the work that I had put in it was very frustrating. Another thing is the week to week power ratings adjustment. You know a lot of times I would kind of fall in love with some of the early quat line moves or sort of over revalue. Some of the line moves that we saw during the week and I would wind up being on teams or wanting to be on teams that were just over inflated in the marketplace so I think I need to trust my own numbers and trust my own work a little bit more than just being a slave to the market and being a slave to you know what happens in those six days as between the opener on Sunday and the closing line on Saturday I gotTa Trust myself more and and that just ongoing crisis of confidence that I've talked about before I don't know if I'll ever fully conquer it but going into twenty twenty. It is something that I aspire to do. It sounds like something. You aspire to well trusting or in the work that I'm doing as opposed to looking at the work that everybody else's wake shaped this market -absolutely and I think that It's a really good point. We pointed ended out about when you have a bad run Then you start thinking okay. So I'm doing something different you know. Let's let's get this started out and then you have bad week one one or or whatever sport it is you you have a bad run just briefly to start that you say here we go again. You know this is just wonderful. I mean I know personally myself. It's one of the hardest things to do is you know when you're in a Rut to trust yourself and just keep going and not get down on yourself and at the same time like you said when you're doing really well you don't WanNa just think okay here we go. You know I got this because you can't get too low and you can't get too high but it's also far easier said Than Tun Something like that you know. I don't know too many people who are great at that. I know some people who are fulltime sports bettors still struggle with that and certainly. It's something that everybody who is going to be serious areas about. This needs to try to do the best. They can about his as trust their work. Don't get too high or too low And I think like you said you know. Don't don't look at. What else is going on in the marketplace? As much as what you did with yourself I mean you know if you've had a good research a good amount time put into something. Go ahead and trust that rather than seeing some some steam move or some kind of Move that you think may be justified in later on later in the week. You say I don't know how much I liked that one anymore. You know if it's better etter I'd rather lose based on you know it's something I like in just lost and I would thinking well you know somebody has a decent point on that so I'll play it and then at the end. I didn't really like that that much. Why did I play you know so? I think that's true. Trusting yourself is pretty important in this and I think it's also a matter too of trusting. What's tangible so many people out there are models your they? They spit out the numbers early in the week. They play them based on that the emotion is taken out of it. And that's something that I think. I had a hard time with this college football really this. NFL SEASON Two. I think situational handicapping matters in those two leagues is anymore it just by and large. It really doesn't mean maybe Minnesota struggled last week because they were playing back to back road games and stuff like that but also the bye week. Help San Francisco. They were just better prepared. Is that situational. Maybe that's a really extreme example in college football you got six days between games travels rebels better than it ever was utrition dietary things all that medicine recovery times better than it's ever been you've got six seven days between in games I have situational. Handicapping matters that much in non extreme circumstances I think maybe I fall back to that too much as a crutch here in the handicapping process. That's something that I want to change in football specifically going into the next season. Yeah I was GONNA say anything. situationally handicapping means is more in college basketball than it does in college football so yeah I wouldn't want to to Just totally get rid of it but at the same time do you think that some people Think think it's worth more than what it is and college football so I I think that. Just the numbers and and getting the better team Should mean a little bit more. Well we'll have plenty of time to talk college football with season win. Totals Games of the year all that type of stuff. That will probably be out in April. So you're not that far away at all whatsoever but real quickly here before we transition to the college basketball side of things. I know you've been doing some free right up stuff over at better. SPORTS PICKS DOT COM. And I presume if you find any other props here throughout the day you'll right him up over there. Yeah that's exactly what I was GONNA say. You read my mind air. If I find some more props during the day that I like I will put this up better. Sports fix DOT COM in the free members area. Right now Everybody can see that. So if you go over to better sports fix DOT COM He can just see that for free and the future. You'll have to have a sign up just to to law gain for free to see it you want to pay anything but This is. This is something that I'll be working on more as as basketball. Season's going on something also where you're going to be starting to see me put win. Totals in it at the beginning of next summer or in the spring. Or whenever it is that I bet those so Those will be free. I'm not going to charge anything for that. And you can go over to better sports fix DOT COM and sign up for the free members area and you can also sign up for the free picks newsletter there as well.

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"Overpaying the Book Dot Com. We're your one stop shop for Sports Betting News and information we'll have all kinds of coverage of Clemson Lsu. I wrote up by preview earlier during the week or late last week. I don't know what I did it but it's been up for a while over there. We'll do some stuff for the game for each team. Maybe some of the novelty props As well in written form over at the website. We'll talk a little bit about them here on today's show as well but Danny is updated bottle projections and final scores. Four for the divisional round in the NFL playoffs posted over at the website. Sony opened preview from James Mazzola. We've got daily. NHL From Parker Michael's ongoing NBA A in college basketball stuff. Plenty of things going on over at the website. Make sure you check them all out and of course as you know this every dish in Bangor Book Radio presented by our friends over at the SL sportsbook. VDB number two hundred. Is that Promo Code hundred percent positive with a sportsbook hundred percent deposit match bonus for the live casino at GSI. It's only a game until you bet it one guest on the program here today. And that is professional capper Brad powers from bradpowerssports.com DOT COM right. How's it going today man? Let's go wow how you doing on this fine Thursday very well buddy appreciate your time as always here and I gotta say it's probably a little bit bitter sweet suite for you hear that there's only to college football games left for the season you would think I feel that way but you know it wasn't necessarily a a great season for all BP so I say you know almost good riddance institute. Twenty nineteen nine. You shouldn't have some bitterness towards that but I mean and I got a lot of Self reflection self scouting to do heading into twenty twenty that Is probably time then. Then I'm located. The close was the book. I'll I'll say this this normally doesn't happen even with two games left. I got through relatively strong opinions on on the upcoming Games. And that's usually not the case so when you're down to the final games and usually the best teams left. Well let's take a look at these two games that we start on the F.. CSI James Madison. North Dakota State Game Adl one eight zero to noon eastern kickoff on Saturday here James Madison favourite across most of the mark. There are some places that are kind of dealing pick them a couple of places dealing one one and a half with extra juice in fact as you kind of look around here. This spread is sort of all all over the place. Total has come down a bit from fifty one and a half to forty nine. Yeah I mean clearly I mean these teams are basically the Alabama and Clemson Zain of the last four years the two best programs in easily this year the the two best teams between the two of them there. There's only been one loss and it was James. Madison are not against West Virginia where they really outplayed West. Virginia three turnovers did amend so. That's the only loss between these teams combine. This season are. They clearly been far superior even in the playoffs so far. James Madison really hasn't had a close game yet. Although North Dakota state a few games ago the NIP and Tuck type of game against Illinois state you know two teams that are easily wanted to in any sort of power. And you WANNA look at heading into into it. I'M GONNA go with the under here and hear me out for several different reasons number one for me whether concerns there. There's a really nasty weather front coming coming through Frisco. Texas this is where the game is played at Did so neutral site game. Although North Dakota state have the advantage here they've been known to travel very well down to the Texas so weather for the game. Kickoff wind is going to be right around twenty miles per hour to me. That's like almost an auto under bet. They're the number two reason why I liked the under here. It's unlike any other game that these teams have played all year. And here's why three weeks takes off from the time. These two teams last played neither teams Dealt with that all season long so you played a bunch of regular season games in a row. Oh you played three straight playoff games and now you had three weeks in between time so I think the offense of timing could be a little off especially early in the game slots this reason number two. I like the under three third and final. Just look at how the game flow goes when these two teams not only play each other in the past when it comes to playoff meanings thinks I think the two teams have averaged thirty seven total points per game last two playoff meetings but even like a team like James Madison this year. The look at their three best teams that they faced at this year and how the game flow goes average scores like James Madison. Twenty four to nine. So they're not afraid to you. Know to slow the game down rely on their defense. Speaking of defenses atop to defenses in the FCS Adamy added all up brother Under for me The promise this smelly and give five. G's down the one book where I found fifty one yesterday after a handicapped. It allowed me about five hundred bucks and then they moved to the point and a half after I try about it. Yeah that is definitely a thing here with the F. C. S. market. At least this is one where you know some people may be invested in this one but of course you do have. NFL Playoff Games. He's here on Saturday. That people will probably be a little bit more invested in ascension. Oh that'd be a little bit. You mentioned that there's some weather considerations here with some wind and of course there's some snow going through taxes as well with this weather system. Does that impact one team more than the other to the point. Where maybe it kind of gives you a position on on the side? Great Question I mean. Both teams are more run oriented North Dakota state as a fine young quarterback I think there's you know He hasn't thrown an interception yet this year but I did. They kind of protected him a little bit so far at least a couple of years. I've seen the play offs For North Dakota State. No I don't think it does although I will say this. James Madison played as played in a little bit of weather. And you would think North Dakota state's playing a bunch of weather games sheer but obviously sleep might remember they play in the Fargo Dome so James Madison just recently played in a weather type of game in their playoffs. So maybe I mean if there is some lingering you know rain rain wind you know obviously wind will be consistent throughout it. But if there's any drizzle or sleet or whatever mixed precipitation I think it actually might be advantages as mass and just because they played a recent game won't again looking at the under here as you said. North Dakota state protecting their quarterback a lot in game of this magnitude. They're probably not going going to put it in his hands so again. You're going to have likely a running clock for most of this game. It's like the under a very good position to take their based on the handicap that you just gave us the the big one Monday clemson. LSU To eighty three to eighty four LSU five and a half pretty much market wide still. There's a stray five live. There's a stray. Six all depends on if you shop around here a little bit. Total of sixty nine and a half for this one. We talked a little bit about this game last week. We kinda gave a cliff notes bullet point handicap of it. What are you looking at here as we're now just a few days away from the game while say this I mean if you ought to visit us here in the great city of Las Vegas we're paying. It's six at a lot of places here in town so five and a half offshore most else places although there's a few outliers but six at the square books here In Vegas multiple books here painting six They can't get enough of LSU. You Hear I. I rarely have a significant position. The National Championship Game May outside of maybe some props. I got one here and it's actually sleep ratings looking at it Prior to the semi-final so you know we talked a little bit about this last week for those. That didn't listen. I mean this this this matchup was offered you could bet this clemson. LSU theoretical matchup and multiple books prior to the semi-final Games. I saw one book at Clemson. a one point favorite I saw another have LSU one. I had the game power rated a pick em giving LSU two and a half points a home field advantage which. I mean as about as much as I go when it comes to home field advantage for quote unquote neutral site I downgraded clemson appoint after the Buckeye game even though they want and covered it upgraded. Lsu You too points for that destruction of Oklahoma Maybe give Al Shoe another half point. They're getting Michael Divinity Back on defense. I mean that's three and a half if you subscribe to my newsletter go through every single position and other factors like obviously turf in the crowd matchups intangibles strength the schedule will and whatnot and got LSU by three and a half there. I can't get it to six adamant to me. Looks like a clear overreaction to what we just saw saw last and public loves the bet offense while they saw on offense with Joe Borough. They're kind of like the the football sexy type team and I just think it's clear reaction to what we just saw lasting the the reason why. LSU's not laying. Three and a half four years. I mean it. Just because of an overreaction so I'm GonNa Take Clemson plus six and I liked quite a bit. Yeah I agree with everything you said there and and look I mean thank you and I are realists here to fully understand that with this. LSU offense with the job that Joe boroughs done there is a chance. I don't know how great of a chance it is there is there's a chance that Lsu just goes out there dominates this game wins by ten or fourteen points and it wouldn't surprise either one of us but again for me line value standpoint point it is very clearly on Clemson you're paying the utmost premium tobacco LSU. I haven't had this game three and a half clemson minus three and a half and a neutral going into the semi-finals with the home field clemson minus one would probably be my number there. I can't get to six either you know. And that's even with making some adjustments off of what we saw in the semifinals and get narrative drives so much at this time of the year as we know the narrative about the Clemson Ohio state the game and I think this is a pretty valid point overall. Is that Ohio State lost. It's not clemson one. It's in Ohio lost. They left all those points out there in the first half Alavi was open on that last play until he broke off the route thing that filled with scrambling. I don't know if he makes the catch. I Dunno fields puts it where he needs to. But Look you look at the twenty two that throw was there so that's even more fuel to that narrative of well. Ohio State Lost Clemson and win the game. Ohio State lost everything. Changed with shot. Wade went out another mark against Clemson. And all this is doing and God I hate this. But it's fueling everything the Dabbagh keeps heap sing about. His team were disrespected or underappreciated. We're underrated this line. Suggests that they are and at this point in time in the bedding context I I agree with it. Yeah my one. Point Downgrade of Clemson from Ohio State. Game is I basically treated like Clemson did lose the game. That's why downgraded. Oh great point even though they won the game and covered it so I treated like the. They probably should've lost that game. But I I just Adam. I never seen Defending National Champ at least in a very high profile game and if you look at the public banning percentages it's like three to one Lsu here a team that's won twenty ninety nine consecutive games in a row. Now they win this one. It will be the longest winning streak we've seen from any team. Since those Reggie Bush met line are teams that won thirty four zero And the fact that here's another I mean you talk about Clemson being disrespected I would say the market has clemson's two field goals away from being thirteen and one against the spread red and the two games they didn't cover besides the obvious one which everyone wants to talk about the North Carolina game but they failed to cover by about a field goal against WOFFORD offered. FCS Team when they're laying forty eight and then of course you know back a week to Texas. A&M was scored on fourth down with five seconds left to get the back door. I mean that's it those the North Carolina game those two games. I just mentioned the only three games clemson hasn't covered this year. The easily could be thirteen and one against the number. I mean I I just I. I don't get it especially when you look at dabble swings track record in the postseason where he's ten and one against the number since two thousand twelve average covered by two touchdowns a game I mean I get. LSU's been very I mean impressive expressly last game against Georgia in Oklahoma but digest. I I can't get the this far at of the six point. Just looks like a clear overreaction. Really last time I thought we saw in the the playoffs. Is You know Oregon just demolish the defending National Champ Florida State. This was the first place in twenty fourteen and even though the Hawaii State beat Alabama. You Know Oregon's laying more touchdown Roy Moore against the Buckeyes. I just. I couldn't understand that line and I don't understand in this one. I'll throw this at you and I think sometimes you can use this in your back pocket when you don't understand a line or you think you're off a little bit. used the rule the two I if this line was LSU minus four. What would that still make sense if it was two points away from words that now now I think it'd be a fair or number if it was Lsu mice three and half my swore but if you increase the two points the line LSU minus seven and a half minus-eight? I mean wh who would you be baton. Then I mean I'd have to most people in Clemson at that point you. That's an interesting concept. I never heard of that. And maybe that's something that will have to dive in with a little bit more. Once we've got a larger set of games into the next regular season but something else I want to mention here going and again in another mark against Clemson in in the court of public opinion and I mean. This one's a little bit more realistic. They did not play a good schedule. You know it I know it everybody knows that. LSU Did play play a very good schedule here over the course of the season so that is fueling the narrative but as you just said Clemson's a couple of field goals away from being thirteen in one against against the number laying enormous numbers in almost all of their games their lowest favourite role in the regular season fifteen and a half and they still crushed shit from an ats standpoint in terms of their records. So this is a team. You talk about performing to expectation you talk about performing to you. Know what their strategy is supposed supposed to be. It's not Clinton's fault. They didn't play anybody but when they did play games. They did what they were supposed to do. For the most part I mean that's scheduled factored into my power rating. So it's not like I only incorporate it I mean I gave Lsu in all a couple of extra points for that. And I still can't get it the six and I'll I'll say this. If you add question marks about Clemson strength the schedule that certainly showed early in the Ohio state game to me. It looked like wow Clinton hadn't seen seen that kind of team speed and physicality early on and it was kind of A. Shell shock to them. But I would say this Adam They certainly responded well after they were punched in the mouth a few times for the first time. This season I mean for a team that that's really hadn't been involved in too many close games. I mean basically one. The North Carolina game all season long that define themselves down sixteen nothing in all everything game against what I perceived to be one of the best big ten teams. I've seen Brian the last ten fifteen eighteen twenty years for them. Still come back and I thought you know you could say Ohio state easily could have won that game but I thought last thirty five forty minutes a game on. I didn't see much difference between the two teams. In fact I can make case after the first twenty minutes. Climbs was the better team when they needed to score. They scored an they shut down. Ohio safer majority majority that second half until the last couple of drives so. I mean if you had concerns about Clemson how would they react to a team. We saw town sixteen and up and they reacted about. Not as well as you could. Yeah that was a big point that I made going into. The Fiesta Bowl was Clemson at Ohio. State only play this level of talent against each other in practice. I mean Ohio State is in a pretty decent big ten but nobody in the big ten is close to Ohio state athletically. So this gaming Clemson was a real legitimate test for both teams for Clemson. It took them a little bit more time to get up to speed in that game and ultimately they did ultimately they did advance so with with that in mind here as we transition to looking at some of the prop betting markets. They're going to be out there. We don't have a lot of exact numbers you mentioned. West Gates got some of their product. Catalog log open out there in Las Vegas. I'm not seeing much in the offshore market that I can reference here at this point in time but we talk about game flow. We're talking about expectation. Asian when we talk about matchups win some of these lines do actually start to pop. Are there some matchups or some game flow things. You're going to look to take advantage of May. Prompt standpoint might seem obvious particularly after in a Lawrence had such a good performance. Running the ball against the buckeyes. But I would expect back to a little bit more of the same that the fact that you know firm majority of the season you. You've got to protect the guy like Trevor Lawrence. So you're not going to be willing Clemson to running against a Boston college or wake forest but we certainly saw went when the chips were down a little bit and you needed someone to make a Klay Rams Sixteen Times The end he didn't have a single game this season Trevor Lawrence more than eleven Russia's and eleven rushes. She's being the North Carolina game so we got two data points to two closest games of the season for Clemson and he got Lawrence with eleven and sixteen carries and averaging about the you know about seventy five rushing yards. I I WANNA get after. That warranty is rushing either attempts over or yards over for me. And it's two fold if we seem that the couple of teams that have had success against Lsu. It's certainly been a mobile quarterback You look at you know rice. Plumlee Lumley for for Ole Miss Having a lot of success running the football against Lsu Eh Lingers at type A guy. That's very mobile for them. Maybe it's probably is most similar to to Lawrence as any other quarterback that Lsu has faced and you know taxes at a lot of success with five hundred thirty total yards that one. So I'M GONNA go look the bed over on Lawrence rushing numbers yeah. I liked that one and something. I thought that clubs in really failed to do well against Ohio state. I thought they should have attacked the middle of the field. I thought they should've attacked me. Carson and Pete Werner and tough borland because they could have done that slant route they have sort of done. You're like what Alabama. What even to a degree Ohio state to use the middle of the field and they didn't do that and and that kind of surprised me opting to go one on one against Ohio states corners and to a degree? It's a big reason. Why Ohio State had so much success defensively early early on in that game before Lawrence sort of softens things up by running the football? I think that that may be a change here for Jeff Scott and the coaching staff and I think they do that would travis at ten. I think the guy that goes over his receiving yards in this game easy to say having just done it against Ohio state. But you'll only had about three hundred receiving yards over the course of the regular season. I had to change it. They make here. I know that grant is going to have to keep an eye. Maybe he winds up providing some help help over the top against some of these very good wide receivers but the wide receivers weren't great in the semi-final for Clemson part of that because of Ohio states quarters but part of it too because because they hadn't faced anything like that from an opposition standpoint over the course of the season I think. ITN's kind of your x factor. Here I think he could run the ball a lot I think he it could be a factor in the receiving game. I kinda like NTN to get a lot of touches here and this one certainly more than the thirteen they had in the semi-final and it makes sense because I do think LSU's got the guys that can least you know when you look at. You Know Derek Sting Lee and grant doubt but I I think they have the guys that can possibly awesome take away the TA. Justin Ross is of of the world at wide receiver. Makes Sense that you feature. Ed E. T. N.. Coming out of back to a little bit more similar to what we like. You said What we saw in the Ohio state game so even against superior athletes Not Superior the him sort of say but but superior to the rest accounts rope Blah reciting t n make a couple of athletic plays that I mean even boggled my mind against no some great talented Allen and Ohio state still had a burst that that even the Ohio states the world scene so I I hate to agree with you all the time you know. I'm not afraid to disagree with you on stuff because we bet all the time on this segment but I agree with you there and I think too. It's it's kind of interesting here for Clemson you you look early on in that game and chase young did not have a very good game against clemson their worst penalties that were missed. I understand that always penalties. It or missed. I no matter the player but early on in that game they shied away from chase young side. They were really only using half of the field over there. I two or three possessions. Then they started opened up started running more option to his side. They got him moving a little bit and then also realize that. Hey our tackles are doing a pretty good job on this guy and that opened up the full complement of their offense playbook I think that is something that they can take full advantage of here in this game and a guy like. NTN allows allows you to use the whole field whether it's a swing. Pass the middle of the field running the football something like that. I just think he's just a bigger factor in the game plan overall here and not to mention. It's never a bad idea to run the football. And Keep It away from Joe Borough as much as you can't so I really think at a focal point here a four clemson in this just one. What about anything else? From a player prop standpoint. You mentioned lawrence rushing attempts and yards something. You'll be looking at anything else that you're kind of considering maybe for the Lsu side. I haven't really dived into the Sea of you. Know one of their wide receivers particularly have a bigger game the very deep their Chase Jefferson. Awesome Marshall Randy Mosses Kid Thaddeus Mosit- tight end. You Know Edwards Hilar- for Lsu. I'm GonNa read a little bit more to see how healthy is. I think he can have some success. You mentioned him a possibility of playing him a little bit over because of what you saw. Jk Dobbins who obviously Salihi could have had even a bigger game against Clemson but he was in and out of the the lineup with that ankle issue. So I you know Edwards Hilar- very similar type of player like Jackie Dobbins so Edward Solaire numbers might actually be attractive and honestly depends Adam as we're going through this now how much is offered I mean I. I wish it would go as deep. There's like maybe the Super Bowl I got. LSU defensive player that I wouldn't mind playing over It's their best. Pass rusher Kayla von Chase on who was engine? Mostly season not missed a few games and then was just less than a fifty percent or fifty percent less than one hundred percent for majority of the season only had two sacks the first nine games that he played last three games. He's got four and a half sacks so I'd be interested to see what his sack total is. I mean if you got got like a half a one sack maybe go over a guy like that Kahlon Chase on so for Lsu just depends on how you know deep they they wanna go here on the market right now. I mean West Gate when I said they got some player props available. It's like ten ten twelve props you can bet from. And it's Obviously your quarterbacks and running backs and a couple of wide receivers I liked the caleb on chase on one. I like that one a lot. I do tend to look for a lot of stuff on on the defensive side defensive sacks I love to play over under tackles with a lot of different is in. This is obviously the type of game where you can get a Lotta tackles from the safety from the linebackers. Virtually everyone in the back seven because these are two very explosive offensive teams. That are highly athletic. It's not going to be three yards and a cloud of dust Austr- either one of these offenses most of the game. You'RE GONNA get opportunities for guys like Isiah Simmons to make a lot of plays a grant to make a lot of plays Jacob. AK- Phillips said over one hundred tackles for Lsu this year. You're going to get guys like tanner. Muse through Tanner Abuse Damn well may have saved that game for Clemson by running down. JK Dobbins Albans in the first half. I WanNa his long runs. That was one of the Times. Ohio state came out with three in the red zone. Instead of seven interviews could very well have saved that game with that play. So you've got a lot of guys in the back seven here that you could take a serious look. Get that are going to get a lot of reps a lot of opportunities and in particular with Lsu shoe throwing the football with so many guys they can throw the football too. You know who's on Justin Jefferson. Who Clemson on him? WHO's on Jomar Chase? What do they do with Thaddeus Moss? I mean is that Tantrum uses responsibility. Is that Kvant Wallis's responsibility. These are things that you can kind of look at here. Let's we actually get get some lines out for these things. So game flow matchups all sorts of different stuff here field goal kicking is another example. Here you've got two teams that move the football up and down the field. Will they bogged down in the red zone or will they get done what they need to get done. Kate York missed five field goals for LSU DT potter Miss Eight for Clemson. Yeah so if you've got a situation where you think these teams are going to get bogged down in the red zone. You're going to get the field goal tries but will they be made. That's a big question here again. This is like the Super Bowl. Where you've got all these props available to you even if you don't like side or total you've got plenty of opportunities to get down on the game? The question is will these prospect available for it. I mean maybe a couple of books come out with it but yeah I I wouldn't mind. I love the field goal kicking aspect more high pressure game. Guys just haven't been relied on too often to kick field goals here because you got to such high scoring officiant offenses even in the red zone I wouldn't mind going over. You Know Misfield goal type of thing. It just depends on how exotic. They're willing to go here. Longest field goal is one that I generally like to take a look at here Kate York for Lsu nine of fourteen from forty or longer potter for Clemson five of nine from from forty or longer only three of six from thirty to thirty nine two. So you know longest field goal doesn't look like Clemson's going to be too much of an option they're potentially you know in a lot of different stuff you can take a look at it and hopefully all this stuff does come out here on Friday Saturday and hopefully we get some ample time to break these things down speaking of breaking things down. Let's go over the NFL playoff side. Here we'll start on Saturday with the first game three zero one three zero to Minnesota San Francisco seven painted across the offshore market with the forty niners home favourite forty four also painted across the market on the total red powers. What are you thinking about the first divisional round game here? I'm a little conflicted. I KINDA WANNA take Minnesota a hear me out. I just think number one Mike Zimmer. That goes from US Soda I think. He's the the most underrated coach in the NFL. How do I know that you just blindly betting against the spread since he started every single game since two thousand fourteen sixty four percent Santa against the spread? But yet you know as far as the betting public goes then you. Just don't hear about Mike Zimmer. Being one of the best coaches in the NFL Do you hear among among sharper batters. But I'll certainly isn't enough the fact that he's covered sixty four percent against non division opponents. Where there's you know unfamiliarity so there's not a lot of familiarity between the two teams He does even better seventy one percent against spread against non division opponents in his career. What we're talking? Forty three winters eighteen losers and three pushes seventy and a half percent For for Zimmer I just you know black adequate injury concerns that just came out yesterday for me the and that's why I'm Kinda him on here. You know feeling ankle injury yesterday in practice you you know digs was already missing practice. Because he's ill. I mean last week to me was the first time the vikings have been healthy. Looked like in a while the UN ten more receiving yards ars in the end. The previous five games combine. Dowling Cook look healthy if you told me these guys are healthy. I'll take Minnesota plus seven but after yesterday's news after after practice. I'm not willing to to make a big bet here on the Vikings Y- I think that's the challenge. Is this the ceiling this vikings team. It's very very high they don't blitz a lot so they're very good in their base defensive packages and we saw that plot last week with drew. brees not really looking the part not doing enough to go out there and win that football game we also saw kirk cousins not play great by any means but having Adam feeling was a tremendous help for him. Now one big difference is that we know about the forty niners and the edge pressure taking get the saints. Get a fair amount of pressure but they have to sell out a little but more in order to do it. So how does that factor into the game for Kirk cousins here. What is Delvin Cook? Do after looking okay. Last week he certainly didn't look explosive by any means. What does he do here against the forty niners? What are the Vikings? Do in terms of trying to get kyle route off free. Are they able to have success with that again. This this is one where you have so many individual matchups that can dictate the handicapped. And they're almost all on the Minnesota side and that concerns me because I feel like a lot of things things need to go right for Minnesota to be operating an optimal level here and right now with the injury with digs sick with the bad spot. The quick turnaround in the short time to game plan. I think it's really tough for Minnesota here this week I really do. So you're on the San Fran side I if I had to play the game I think I think so. I think maybe it's something that shows up a little bit more than the total market. The under is a pretty decent. Look here because I just don't think Minnesota's particularly explosive in this matchup against San Francisco. Let's go now on the flip side San Francisco. How much did the bye week? Help them because they were reeling defensively before that by the Senate enough to fix everything. Yeah I mean they might get some guys. I mean Quanta Alexander's been outlasts atlases. It looks like you might be ready to go. That could be a big factor. But I think you hit on it. I there's been quite the disparity with the forty niners start of the season one of the best defences if not the best defense in the NFL. They allowed eleven points per game which was first at the the first seven games last. Nine Games are allowing twenty six points per game. You Stack rank that as twenty fourth in the League. So what's the real truth of the forty niners defense. I twenty four by the reality is somewhere in the middle Maybe maybe a top ten type of defense. I mean the the market is telling you that the it seems like the sharper play here but I mean statistically speaking of for going off of what the forty niners have been defensively. The last night weeks of the season. The forty four and a half doesn't doesn't make much sense to me. Well this is also a forty niners team and I met you this. In the preview I wrote over at Bangor Book Dot Com seven takeaways in their last eight games. You don't early in the season their first eight games they had twenty takeaways so that was a big thing that we saw kind of Clip New England a little bit late in the year where they weren't forcing racing turnovers. They made it tougher on their offense. We saw what happened to them. The difference is San Francisco's offense. Got Better over. The course of the season Kyle Shanahan is brilliant. I will stand for that guy every time I possibly can. But the defense didn't force a Lotta takeaways late in the year and it hurt them and they gave up a lot more points. So we'll see what happens here if cousins can avoid the bad turnover. This is. I think pre-game this was hard to take a shot at pre flop. It's difficult handicapped. Maybe in game when you see how Minnesota comes out if there's any hangover from last week you you see San Francisco shake off the rust. Maybe live betting is just made for this game. Yeah let me ask you this. You know how much the San Francisco's inexperienced. As far as blouse go play into it. I mean I the first time they've been blouse in six years is a franchise couch. Shanahan has never been a head coach in the playoffs Jimmy Johns not been starting quarterback in the playoffs before does that factor in at all. Yeah I mean I think it has to absolutely has to. I mean especially because you're Minnesota I mean you you sell out against the run right you make Jimmy Garoppolo be you have to and not only that to speak of the inexperienced thing. You'll Roberts delays getting a lot of run for you to possibly being a head coaching candidate. It's something like that. Did the defense fall off in the second half largely because of those injuries and the lack of turnovers or did team start to would just more to what Soleil was doing. And if that's the case then what you'll then does Minnesota have a better game plan here. Following the blueprint from other teams. I don't necessarily know the answer to that. Somebody smarter than me might but again. That's maybe something that we see that we can take advantage from alive betting standpoint i. That's the wave of the future. Buddy I mean I mean we're divisional round. Now I mean in theory these sides total should be relatively sharp at at this point in the season. I mean if you're looking for anything. Prompt market in game stuff. I mean if you really WanNa have a chance to to make a quite a bit of money. I mean that's just where where we're going here. We're the values GONNA be out unless you're betting openers against a single book in one other thing that I heard over on the matchbook podcast and those guys do the phenomenal job at something. I listened to every week. I have no problem giving props to other places that are doing fine work and and the matchbook. NFL podcast is a really good one but one of the things that was mentioned on that last point we make this game here at and something that could be relevant to the total. The playing surface at Levi stadium is generally not good. I mean it's just not great at all Minnesota head a very good playing service in the superdome last week. Does that have an impact here in particular with feeling already being dinged end up with the ankle cook his was an upper body injury but still the playing surface is going to be a lot different here for this game than it was last week. Does that benefit it. San Francisco does that benefit the under again at this time of the year like you said side and total should generally be sharp as they're going to be so you've got to look at maybe some of these these things on the margin something. It's maybe a little bit more intangible navy. The playing surface kind of creeps up in this game two notes Kirk cousins and Minnesota under the grass under him to seventy one against number so traditionally not good undergrad under cousins and Minnesota to seven. ATS cousins. Is it going to make explosive plays. Isn't this arm is explosive. After the catch so that is limited for Minnesota in this game you know just another handicapping angle. Another factor that you WANNA keep you know as part of the equation here in this one game three zero three three zero four the first of the AFC Games here Tennessee in Baltimore Baltimore nine and a half or ten painted across the officer market total forty six and a half to forty seven down from the opener of forty eight which is kind of surprising here. Given the offense of efficiency of these teams in the second half of the year agree. But I think it's the right side I mean there's a little bit of weather here wind and rain a little bit. Maybe not as much rain but there's is some wind in the forecast here so that might be one reason why the unders getting a little bit play. I think another reason as you know obviously got to very run heavy type teams. Although I mean Baltimore's Ron having led the the NFL and scoring this year. I just think if Tennessee is going to have a chance was game plan while let's run Derrick Henry which they've done obviously last couple of weeks the tune of what like sixty six carries for him he hasn't had back to back thirty plus carries in his career going all the way back to a senior Henry our junior year in Alabama where we just had at one time is at the end of the regular season junior where he won the heisman trophy at Alabama. I expect him. They get a lot of Kerry's If you look at Tennessee's passing attempts looked like they've tried to protect Ryan Tannehill hair down the stretch certainly didn't last week and then necessarily we need them. They went in and one in New England. I just think I expect Derrick Henry to get his carries one I have to question is how effective Derrick Henry is GonNa to be you know trying to go third straight week here I I'm on the under here again. I'm not particularly if I had to play aside and Pry Bald War I mean. How could you faded team at this point? That's been just historically great last ten games. They're covering by an average of fifteen points for game. And this might be a scenario where the market. You just can't catch off fast enough to Baltimore this season. I mean you gotta a generational type of talent that we've never seen before I in Lamar Jackson Aksa. Maybe that we just don't see a market catch up with Baltimore fast so I'd Probably Lean Baltimore for for the under. I think what I'm hoping for here. I'm kind of hoping for an opportunity to Klay Baltimore second half in this game. Maybe hope that they come out a little bit slow a little bit rusty because again not just the by last week. But Lamar Jackson and company didn't play in week seventeen either so so they've got to come off the shelf with a couple of weeks of rust as opposed to it seemed like San Francisco or Kansas City where they actually had to play in week seventeen so now there is I factor that concerns me a little bit for Baltimore and again that would be concerning with a high number on this game of nine and a half or ten. The thing about it for me. Is that like you said it. Baltimore has been historically Arkley. Good John Harbaugh's one of the best coaches in the NFL and he actually understands Game Theory and man. We saw that play out a ton last week with guys just making incorrect incorrect decisions in fourth-down managing timeouts all that type of stuff. Baltimore has the coaching advantage. Here that could come into play later in the game as well I. My hope is to get a cheaper price up Baltimore second half if I had to play a full game like you. I'm looking at Baltimore. I just have to respect what they've done and Tennessee again. Tennessee goes on the road to Foxborough Beats New England. We got some later shirt. Money onto England. They're just kind of saying okay. Let's check and Brady at home in the playoffs. Offs so on and so forth. Do you see any respect going. Tennessee's way for beating New England in this number. The answer is no and there's a reason for that good point or just New England. Just that's not. Obviously it's not the New England of the last ten fifteen years so I mean there brady just Ah It's obviously that he could hit the wall and obviously what weapons wise the skill positions and whatnot offensively. Just nowhere near what they've been not that they've ever been Overly great outside Randy Moss and tight. End There so I agree that Tennessee's not getting overabundance of respect here. Would this line where it's at after a big win for for the titans last week. It's let me ask you this because I I've heard conflicting stuff on it but got an idea where you go. What was your thought process on? Rebel deciding to punt there with like four four or five minutes left in the game. Yeah I mean look I I guess it's one of those things where he wanted New England. Tom Brady to go down the field with a long field it again. I mean that's something that I talked about all throughout the season. New England was stunningly good in turnover margin and for most of the year they were like fifteen points per drive so they had a bunch of short fields in the best average starting field position the NFL and they were still fifteenth in points per drive. I mean hey if you WANNA make Tom. Brady's offense beat you with the lack of skill position guys that he has. I guess it makes some sense. You know I mean that makes sense when he saw the run two minutes off the clock. 'cause I mean the analytics thanks guys just killing variable I get it. I mean I guess you go for but isn't the one thing I don't think the analytics get sometimes time and place game flow flow. I mean it's fourteen thirteen. Neither team scored in the second. Half I mean I get it the analytics say go for it. They're trying to end the game but we haven't seen New England do anything An entire half I mean it. You really think they're going to go. You know sixty seventy yards and lineup for field goal. When they've had question marks field goal this season listen? I don't know that I mean it's not the same New England again offense not the same. Tom Brady is last ten fifteen years when he saw milk another two minutes off the clock. I didn't have a problem with the decision decision. Yeah no I mean I really didn't either and like you said it's it's you know. Sometimes it can be situational you know. And that's one of the things that I'm not going to go on this rabbit hole. I talked about all the time I baseball podcast but I am a sabermetrics guy and something that bothers me is that some people are black and white. The data says absolutely do this and I get it and by and large. I'm going to agree with the data and the analytic side more often than not but in that's situation against that team in those conditions with Brady having no weapons. There is more gray area than what is presented offended by the actual data. So well I you know blast coaches all the time while I blast managers for sacrifice bunting and this and that you know if you've got a right handed better up there against somebody who absolutely dominates righties. It may be too early to bunt but it may not be the worst decision in the world. It's it is kind of not a coin. Flip all the way but it's a gray area. If it's purely black and white like Sean Payton's timeout use inch that's one thing able to sign a punt. That's another so I'm not a hardline. Hardline analytics anything. I think in that situation against that opponent with what you know about that opponent. It didn't bother me fant and boy. I don't WanNa go down this rabbit hole but I mean how many world series titles the the the the dodgers have aren't they like to the teams that are purely early black and white analytics to a degree to a degree. Also you know you've got an Oakland operates. It's such a massive payroll deficiency. Yeah there are some extenuating circumstances there with that. But you know I mean. Let's see what happens with Baltimore. You don't mean Harbaugh is very in tune and with gay management. Let's see what they do against Kansas City next week. Let's see what they do. If they get to the Super Bowl and we'll see if some of those decisions do kind of wind up coming to the forefront and may ultimately decide not just the conference champions. Well maybe the Super Bowl champions as well game three zero five three zero six is Houston Kansas City chiefs anywhere from nine and a half or ten across the market mostly nine and a half total up from forty nine fifty one US probably my strongest opinion in the weekend. What's your take on the game with Kansas City? I mean does Shawn Watson. Come not giving up and coming from behind is certainly a concern. But I got Andy Reid off a bye right. He's exceeded expectations. That being the vegas line the spread by five and a half points for game but it was five and a half at Philadelphia in his career. It's been five and a half Kansas City off a bye. I think Kansas City might be. I mean I'd still PRII Baltimore one right now if I really did powering did college. Football Football But Kansas I mean I can't say he's better than what they were a year ago. They certainly are defensively. I've been last games are only allowing in about eleven and a half points regain that would ranked number one in the NFL than last year Q.. Model you know the even the advanced analytics said that they had a bottom five bottom six type of defense. It's a year ago mahomes healthy. He wasn't healthy. Obviously missed a couple of games those are factored in a full season stats. day missed a couple of games. And that's factored factored in bill. O'Brien When he's catching seven or more as you know? Come up short of expectations about eight and a half points per game By I just think Kansas City is clear the spirit team read off a by the. I'm GonNa lay it here and I usually don't do it. Yeah I like Kansas City a lot here in this game. I mean you've got a coaching advantage. You've got a Houston defense. That's terrible. They were dead last in the League in yards per play allowed. Kansas City should have a field day offensively again. A trend that Ralph Michaels tweet out earlier on in the season here. Andy Reid at the time. Twenty two four and one to the under off a bye well. They beat Oakland. They won that game forty two nine. They held Oakland. Nine points. Averaged fifteen points against per game with Andy Reid off a bye with both the chiefs in the eagles goals. If the totals fifty one and we're getting a high scoring game Andy Reid is going to be prepared for Houston who's scoring all the points. The answer is Kansas City. Yeah this thinks thinks should be a blowout. I think I really do feel that way. They blew had no problem blowing out. Indianapolis Indianapolis team that I really like last year. The division around Yeah I just show Watson's the only thing that scares me by me. I have so much respect for him and there is no quit there but yeah I think this is on paper mismatching matching only fact. It's not double digits. I mean let's keep a real Houston did win a King C.. Earlier this year is a four point dog in that game but I again again. Kansas City's much different team mahomes played but he wasn't one hundred percent and that one and Kansas City's defense certainly not not the same as what it was early in the season. So full agreements with me. Buddy Casey Casey no questioned my favorite side. Put on around. Yeah mine too. I mean. Let's see if we'll fuller's colors able to go. Maybe that'll kind of do something to the line. Maybe do something to the total here in this one too but to circle back to something you mentioned here I said it. What four weeks ago on the show that Kansas City would win at Baltimore in the AFC championship game? So I'm not going to back off of that because exactly what you said. People don't realize how vastly improved this defense defenses from last year. I mean they were top ten and adjusted net yards per pass attempt allowed this season. They were nowhere near that last year. I know they still struggle a little bit to defend the run and that would be a problem against Baltimore but I would give Kansas City Poland. Helluva chance you had Kansas City or Baltimore in the AFC Championship Syrup Game. Like four weeks ago I mentioned on the show We'll see all. Okay never mind. I was thinking some dumb. I was thinking it was like. How'd you have Casey as a two to see what New England losing outright in the final week of the season? But you have chances city beating New England and then beating Baltimore both on the road right. Yeah all right fair enough I I'm I'm just. I'm a believer in this Kansas City. Team I really am. I'm going to be on Casey neck. I mean obviously we'll see ooh that's good call Four four and a half. Okay maybe four Idaho. Well here's the thing right. I mean if Baltimore trucks. Tennessee and Kansas City blows away Houston like they should. I mean which team gets more respect. It has to be Baltimore right because Tennessee's better than Houston in the minds of a lot of people so so now I think there are about equal. I mean both those lines were right around three. We not now never mind when Houston play Tennessee when both teams were trying it was three right At Tennessee I get a tennis. I mean Houston went in when both teams retrying Houston went into Tennessee. One I mean the the the final week obviously Houston and care. Tennessee was but you know recency bias. I mean they might think Tennessee just crushed Houston so yeah I. I'm not sure the four and a half or good. Yeah I think so. I'd be willing to Bang Buddy before four and a half total. What low fifties? Yeah certainly certainly if he wanted to do the F. One hundred fifty two weather of I mean you always gotta worry about whether but that sounds about right when the championship game I one one about almost feels like a decade without New England might still be relatively really pumped about it. Oh I'd be fired up about I I I would be thrilled to see either. Lamar Jackson Patrick Mahomes in the Super Bowl. I think that would be awesome. Absolutely these two offenses you know. Read and the offense at Greg Greg Roman and Harbaugh put together. I mean that'd be fun. That'd be great from player props standpoint do for the Super Bowl. I think it'd be a lot of opportunities on taking advantage of some things things there. In any event three seven three eight Seattle in Green Bay the last game here of the divisional round starting to see some four and a half showing up out there in the market. Get on Green Bay four with extra juice kind of the predominant number total of forty seven on this one. What do you think I think that both teams are overrated? I wish they weren't playing each other You know both I mean you got Green Bay Seattle. Both route gained on the season. That's incredible it's only happened in the divisional. Our we have a match up with two teams have been outgained on the season. It's only happened one other time. This century is like a pitiful. Seattle Chicago bears divisional game from from several years years ago I'M GONNA lean under in this one. Early forecasts doesn't have like snow or anything but certainly very cold there underspend a play for Green Bay elastic game. Seven and one. I don't think Aaron Rodgers is the elite quarterback that used to be They rely on him to make you know elite throw maybe once or twice the game. But you're on a consistent in gaming a game out basis. He's just not what he was three four years ago. Russell Wilson doesn't have you know with the the running back injury concerns. I worry about the effect of the run game for Seattle. I don't WanNa take a big position on the side. I mean four four and a half ask sounds about right to me as far as the side goes under for me. Just the lean. I'm not going to be involved too heavily. Pre flopping these divisional games no. I'm certainly not going to be involved in this one. I mean I liked the under forty seven like you. I don't like either side like you said these are both teams and quite frankly. I'm not the least bit surprised. If both Minnesota and San Francisco would be able to beat these teams next week and I know Minnesota at the plate three straight road games and all that but I was saying before yeah right and I just don't think either one of these teams are very good. I just don't and the thing about Green Bay. The reason I would lean the green bay side and maybe take a live position. If I get an opportunity to get a better number. They have a running game. Aaron Jones can run the football. Aaron Rodgers is not the explosive player he used to be less. He's throwing it to Davante Adams they don't get a big plays in the passing game so the fact that Green Bay can run it with Jones. And you still have to concern yourself with Aaron Rodgers and that aura and that perception I that gives Green Bay a slight edge of Jones the focal point of the offense of game plan. Why not take the under so I just I don't like either one of these teams? I haven't all oh year. I just hope both hope that whichever team wins. That game loses next week. Because I don't want to see either one of them in the Super Bowl no offense to see ocsar packers fan I lay lay okay with the AFC KC Baltimore Lait three points in the Super Bowl. Why not it's true? I I guess I'd have to. I don't know I hope for San San Francisco I think San Francisco's kind of overrated. I know your big Shanahan guy but I think I'll I'll say of this. I'm looking to play the AFC. I'm looking to play Casey Baltimore in the Super Bowl. Let's just put it that way for me. No that's fair and there's gotTa be some look at headlines out there right where you can take the AFC AFC. There's got to be so. Yeah it's getting up there though now. It's like three. You could bet three. I think Last week I think it's higher now. Now look now gone and they were actually probably the second most. Maybe the most dangerous team in I agree with that. So yeah it's we'll see we'll see what happens here with these games and again looking forward to probably Baltimore in Kansas City in that. AFC Championship game and then any combination the nation in the NFC championship game would surprise me. A whole lot. Here when we reconvene on next Thursday's show red powers professionally effort over at Bradpowerssports.com. What's going run over there right now? Man couple of different things. I mean obviously newsletter that I talk about each and every week you can get that Available that special pricing offering offering last couple of weeks unfortunately a little too late for that but he still want to renew for the upcoming season. 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I mean the I hate to be selfish but I am. I WANNA bet some stuff I But yeah oppose the and and give out anything when it comes to prop markets. I expect maybe have three to five minutes depending on how much comes out. We'll get makes you fall Brad on twitter bradpowers and the number seven always great content over there and of course bradpowerssports.com is the website for appreciate your time as always been always fun to chat with. You always good to have the back and forth and we'll talk again next week. Sounds good man. Thanks for having me on.

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Jane Robelot and the Clemson Tigers!!

Joey Hudson

15:18 min | 1 year ago

Jane Robelot and the Clemson Tigers!!

"Tis abated hour of the day is here. Welcome to upstate live with Joey Hudson, your source for the big trending topics and the stories that are about to fall through the cracks combined with great guests and freewheeling audience participation. Buckle up. It could get rough. It's upstate live on ninety four five WGTK the answer as we are in Santa Clara, California where just a few hours of number two. Clemson Tigers will take the field and Levi stadium to once again need to crimson tide of Alabama. Glad to have you along your comments or welcome on the big rock text line. Eight seven seven two three five nine four zero five all your natural stone and harsh gape needs. Visit go big rock dot com. Today shows going to be a little bit different as we're talking about college football and the chance of Clemson claiming their third national championship, and what an honor for this South Carolina school to be on the national stage. Once again joining during the our former Clemson stand out. Perry. Tuttle we're expecting a call from the man who led the Tigers to their first national championship. Coach Danny Ford and later in the show upstate entrepreneur. Joe Irwin nineteen Seventy-nine Clemson graduate will join me as well. But I the kick things off unintended. You know, kick things off. I'm not as funny as I think, I am there's no one better than Jane Romolo detail about how the Tigers got to Levi stadium Santa Clara today native Greenville and a graduate of Clemson university. Jane was a co anchor of CBS television's this morning from nineteen ninety six to nineteen ninety nine winning two. Daytime EMMY awards and currently anchors the afternoon news on WF f TV four less tall from an Jane. It's fair to say that you started your broadcast career at Clemson. Right. Absolutely. Yes. Indeed. And fact, it started when I was a senior Clinton nineteen eighty one great year too. Pretty good time to decide to exit and I was was on central spirit. We're the ones that grew up the balloons and painted the Paul's on people's faces and did all the pep rallies. And I was the head of pep rallies. Which you know, would seem kind of common except that. It's our great national championship. Your honestly, I remember it was November. We were still undefeated. We were out to play North Carolina, and nobody was thinking national champions. But we were just so excited to be undefeated. You know, we'd want a couple of as they say championships. And we've got another one of those would be amazing. So we were planning a big Danny Ford appreciation day pep rally. Oh, I'm gonna have to digress for a second. Is that? Okay. Absolutely. Trying to you're gonna go. She did not. But I just kinda got an Alabama to us because you know, when you're eight what was I twenty one. You just don't understand that. There are some things that probably are out of the realm of possibility. And that's right where I was. So we were having this big Danny Ford appreciation day pep rally, and I decided that wouldn't be cool because Alabama had a BI week that upcoming week. Would it be great? If we could fly in there Bryant for the pep rally. As an adult that sounds ridiculous. That again what? And so I will go coward Frank Howard alleged. He knows beer Bryant there, buddy. I'll go ask coach our if he can ask your Bryant, so go coach our office, pay check out of papers all come on and on and sit down what you say. I wondered if you can call beer Bryant and see picking come at the cell. He goes, whoa. How let's see about that picks up had that orange phone on his desk. Picks it up dals number by heart. He gets on the phone. He says bath. And I won't mention the word that starts with a B that he called there. You will. So and so how are like like sitting here across these two wedges or talking to each other. Joe he hands me the phone. He goes I've had put a little girl sitting heels ask you something. Like, I can't talk. I've got bear Brian on the other the on like I was such a high coach, Bryan. I miss Jane regular we're doing this rally above was or ask him. He was so gracious. Like, he could have said you idiot. Of course, I can't come to Clemson in the middle of very great. She said why he said I'll tell you now that yeah, we don't have a game that come and Saturday, but it's all I need to do is to get away from Alabama and come up there to Clemson and spend time with you all and then turn around and lose by X game. He said these fans would be all over beat blaming me. Because I went up to clicks back gray. Grayson wanna cool story. You know, it was like there you are sitting in the middle of and again, Joe is coincident Alabama. But sorry, this leads me to my thirst radio broadcast. So the first time I've ever been on live radio was on the tiger tailgate show and Russ castle invited me to come on to talk about that pep rally from that upcoming pep rally. So I told my grandmother who's becomes abandoned. Bob, I need to make sure you will be on the radio. And so I went on the radio and talked up pep rally and invited everybody to kinda tiff with she called me out to the game. Now, this is back in the days of long distance. And you know, very few people. We're gonna talk for very long, though, she called me she said, I heard you on the radio today. And I think that's what you ought to do. And I said, ma'am, she said heard on the radio, and I could understand everything he said, and I think that's what you ought to do need to go into radio. Crazy. So as a result of that conversation and that one little intervene on the tiger tailgate show. I took the one and only classic Clinton offered at the time in radio and fell in love with the microphone just absolutely fell in love with the microphone, and then I got a job temporary assistance sports information director at the time under Bob Bradley that summer when I was finishing up summer school. I was not a may graduate. I was an August graduate. That it was perfect because I had an opportunity to work for the you see a m will tiny AM station back in the day. Ten helped get me job. And I'll never never forget canalisation for for hiring the taking the chance on this kid with zero experience. But who had a real passion for radio for news. And I did a little Clemson sports program called the tiger sports report. So yes, I mean that was a really long answer to a really short question. But it did it just ignited my whole career really was ignited through Clemson football. That wasn't important Jane for the Clemson football program. I mean when the Tigers take the field later tonight. Yes, they won the ACC this year. They won the Cotton Bowl last weekend. But the idea that this school in this small southern town could actually win a national championship. Started back in the in the eighties. You are. Exactly. Right. And you remember that? Well, as I do, you know was not on anybody's radar. It was not something we talked about bought about or dream about until we finished our season against South Carolina. And we went oh, wow. Look we're undefeated and it went to number one. And guess what you guys get to go to the Orange Bowl. I mean that was really the first time it ever occurred to us. We're we're kinda spoiled a little bit. Now, you know that we understand that we've got the culture and the program, and and all of the facilities in the foundations that we're really in it, you see that Alabama one Clemson wanted twenty sixty Alabama could be our turn again, we could see another, you know, three after after tonight. So yeah, but the culture and eighty one completely different. But once you've won it once you've proven to the whole wide world that Clemson university and Lou upstate South Carolina can win a national championship can be a real contender individualism football. You're right. Joey just writes, the story for the rest of football future things Jane that just. Really makes it special though. The Clemson football program is more than about just playing the game. A coach swinging the coaches before him I'm gonna be talking with coast, Danny Ford here in just a few minutes, but just a legend over in those areas, but you know, these coaches and the Clemson program in general, they're serious about these men completing their education, they're serious about making sure that these young men are prepared for life after football because that day eventually come exactly right in professional football. Even even with as many guys as we do have heading to the NFL, if not the story for the majority of the team, very small percentage, and even those guys aren't gonna play maybe five years match. So you've gotta understand that your education is the most important thing and look at Christian Wilkins in four years. He has his undergraduate and graduate degree, you know, Devo, I think just really sets the precedent for that. He is the first in his family to graduate from college. He was able to do that. Thanks callings after you walked onto. The Alabama football team, gene stallings gave him a scholarship, then gene stallings called him back after he was going to graduate and be in business while gene selling I come back into your got a graduate degree that you can work on to grad assistant, and so he earned a graduate degree and that the emphasis that he he gives these players, and you know, what if a mama of college age person, my son is twenty years old, if my son were college football player, there is not one person in America that I would want to tuck him up under the wing of. But Davos wing, this guy's character. He lives it. He breeds. It. He talks, but he lives it and his family lives it and that so important and look at these seniors, and, you know, this is something I was thinking about these seniors. Remind me so much of our seniors from the eighty one national championship team. And that's like, oh, Alabama's gonna win the underdog level. You know in college football's not all Xs and os much of it has to do with the heart of the team and these scene. Seniors are so committed yet three guys that could've gone pro and chose to stay and they're all Americans this year first team all Americans this year. But they are such great leaders on this team. We had that with Perry total Jeff Davis, lean antibac- eighty one. I think that's what's going to make the difference for us tonight. I really do. I think that the heart of our coaches that whole spirit of what you were just saying that it's about building building the man not just building football program, but building these individual men, and I think that goes to to the senior leadership on the team to I think that's why we're gonna win. I'm I think we're going to have a win as well. I'm excited that I'm gonna be sitting there beside my sweet wife who is Clemson through and through and pull them through. Yes off you gotta yell loud. I'll be yellow absolutely as Jane Roe with me this afternoon the afternoon news anchor with w YIF Jane in our closing couple moments here over the years you've had an opportunity to see up close some of the major players within the Clemson athlete department. You have to have and you told a very cool story with about your phone, call a bear, Brian but share with your favourite Clemson story, that's a hard one. And I know day because you've got a lot of that your heart would pick one because I had an opportunity to just really be up close and personal with the players the coaches through doing The Danny Ford co hosting Danny Ford shows limit for many years and do the tiger tail h show and working in sports the nation. I worked in sports summation of the press box of the years. But gosh, that's a tough one. Joey, I I think it's just that. Oh, okay. It's going to have to be this month. Coach Howard coach Howard was inducted into the national football coaches hall of fame in nineteen eighty nine. I was anchoring it. WS PA TV at the time. And coach Howard said Honey he said when I'm going up there to the Waldorf Astoria in New York City. He said I want you to be the one to come up and tell that story I said coach now, this is what some of your your listeners are gonna find it hard to believe this is nineteen eighty nine. I said coach I can't cover that story because they don't let women onto the floor where the dinner is going to believe that. Yes. And I'm going to say you might have to bleep me out here. But coach said the hell they won't he made phone calls. He and Walter Brown who owned WSPA TV when they'd phone call, and they got me onto the floor of the Waldorf Astoria for the dinner to cover that event. And so so, you know, I of all the could not really necessary a football story. But it's definitely a Clemson family stores. And you know, you wanna look at that cross you'll you know, coach and say, oh come on. He but that guy stood up for women's rights. He stood up for his buddy. Jane? And and he broke a barrier. He broke a barrier in college football, really at one of the highest level. But I just I've so much love and respect for the many players and coaches Woody McCorvey what Corby we got to do a lot of stories with him. He was a assistant coach under Danny Ford from like eighty three to eighty nine then went to Alabama, and then he was data's coach at Alabama. And who's the first? Person or one of the first people that data hired when he became head coach at Clemson wouldn't. He said, I need this guy to be my what do called his national security adviser. But they're just so many wonderful people who never make headlines, but who really have shaped this program and shaped the Clemson family, and I'm so excited that you would peg you're gonna be kinda put in a pitch. Buck though after you finish listening to Joey's radio show, you look like something to drink. And then be sure to tune into w I four for road to the title terrific, special seven to eight minutes, which overwatch kickoff fair like going to be sitting there. So I'll miss that. But I'll I will be sure I'm going to record it on DVR. So I can watch it. To South Carolina house at my dear friend, you get the fast right up there up close and personal for this. It's always a joy to talk. If you and I love listening to your program. Same here Jane Roe with a WF. Tune in at seven o'clock tonight TV four and you'll be able to see the special, Emma. Jane, Roble, always good to talk with you and get gimme ago. Tigers here. And my love your packing up next coast. Any four joins us is continuing to special edition of upstate live. I'm in Santa Clara, California will soon head over to the Levi's stadium to watch the Clemson Tigers take on the number one album crimson tide back in a moment here on ninety four five WGTK the end. Sports. Joe?

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Jim Stuckey, Former Clemson DT

The Sporting Life with Jeremy Schaap

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Jim Stuckey, Former Clemson DT

"Great news. There's a quick way. You can save money. Switch to Geico. Geico could help you get great coverage at a great price. And it only takes fifteen minutes to see if you could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Go to Geico dot com today and see how much you could save. This is the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Here's Jeremy chef. Be gave this week on the American sports landscape is the college football championship taking place Monday night in the bay area Clemson and Alabama for the fourth season in a row meeting in the college football playoff, and we're joined now by Clemson football legend to discuss the match up our old friend the two time Super Bowl champion. The all American Jim study, Jim thank you for being with us. Jeremy idea was so good be with you guys. And I'll be out there in the bay area at the end of the week. So this would be great. Well, it's also great, right? Your college team is playing in the stadium in which your professional team now plays. So so you you've got it all coming together this week in a sense tell you what I should do. And it's going to be so nice to be out there and to to root these guys on Clemson against Alabama and to come out. There. I was out there five times last year. So I know my way around the stadium pretty well. Now, Tim stuck you wouldn't Super Bowls with the forty Niners and Super Bowl sixteen and Super Bowl nineteen is a defensive tackle. He was all American at clips, and he was the first round draft pick. Jim what were your thoughts watching your Tigers demolish Notre Dame? Well, you know, I mean coming into a Jeremy I thought it would have been a lot closer. And I guess everybody to I'd and wanted to see how. Could handle Notre Dame's running game with Doug lawns on not being available to play and of of the guys today fantastic job there? And I mean the defense guy after coats Bengals defensive coordinator at Clemson had a great game plan. And we we rent some really good blitzes, but the other guys stepped up to and and but it was nice and watching Trevor Lawrence and some of these freshmen wide receivers. They just play great. You know, the tall rangy? You know? I guess I'm a believer in a wide receiver. You is Clemson university. And you're still you're close to the program. I mean, you're you're you keep a close eye on what's going on. Absolutely. No. I do and been involved with the program, and I just love what Devo, sweetie. Our head coach is done with a program. How he's moved it forward in the last ten years as been nothing short of meteoric. And and our rise and sustainability to to stay there really at that top. And you know, the top has been just phenomenal. And it's it's a great credit to him and his coaches staff and the type of student athletes that he recruits and who play Clemson, what do you think that the matchup facing Alabama again? Of course, you guys have gone back and forth last couple of years two years ago, Clemson winning the national title game last year, Alabama winning Hanley we're seeing these two teams yet again facing off on the biggest stage in the SP. Sport. What has to happen for Clemson to emerge victorious this time? You know, I think going into the season and throughout the season. I have always felt that we are. And were the only teams can compete with Alabama. I thought everybody else was a step below. And that's because of the athletic talent on both about teams. I think we have to play our best game again. And because they've got a great defense. They got a I mean super offense. We get the two best teams and by far and away. We have the best athletes on both sides of consonant, Alabama. So we're going to have to make some big plays. I mean these receivers weapon step up and and make some of those catches that that that gives last week. I do not think Trevor Lawrence will be overwhelmed by the situation. He is. So cool, calm collected. And he just played on the big stage. I I don't think the pressure of this will get him and to go out have fun. I think Alabama's gonna get their yards to. And I believe that both the princes are are stout might been, but we don't break that much. So I mean, I'm looking for a good. Hard-fought game. And and certainly turnovers can be huge on either side of the ball for whether it's us whether it's them, and if we recover fumble intercept a pass or or do something like that we have to capitalize on scoring opportunity related to make touchdowns in the Red Sox instead of feel goals and to curtail some of their running game. I I mean, they're monsters over there too. When I loved this matchup between both teams, it's it should be a great game. I know everybody's looking semi finals for great games, and they were pretty much blowouts. Now, we get to see the big boys. We're talking to Jim stuck eclipse and football legend who has a pro and the NFL in the nineteen eighties. When two Super Bowls as defensive tackle. With the San Francisco forty Niners supports Jim in the eighties. You're playing for one of the greatest coaches in the annals of the game. Bill Walsh, one of the true legends. One of the true innovators won three Super Bowls as the head coach of the forty Niners. And then his successor George Siefert, of course, would win two more Super Bowls Nick Sabin at Alabama looking for his sixth national title at Alabama has seven th overall. He's one of those names now on the shortlist of greatest coaches in the annals of the sport as somebody who played for Bill Walsh is a very different kind of personality when you look at Nick Sabin. What do you think it is over the last fifteen years has elevated him to this position where we talk about him with the rock knees delay, he's in the Wilkinson's, etc. You know, I think it goes back to how he does how he coaches out disciplined. He is how much of a perfectionist he is. And he expects that from his coaching staff and his player. And he instills his belief system and how things work into these players and they buy into it. And I think it's very very disciplined type of regime that that he runs and it's worked, and and you know, guys go there and say, look, I wouldn't six national championships. You're sitting in as a young kid. It's like, I I'm gonna listen to this guy. He's not only qualified, but he's got street cred too. Because you look at it as coordinators leaving, you know almost every year. But there's something to be said, I mean, the man at the top that everybody looks to and you cannot take anything away. You have six you're going for seven your top with coach bear Bryant. And who's right up there with God? And Jesus and so really coats say you you cannot had from history. He's the best in the game right now. Do you think? If there's anything for Clemson to take away from Oklahoma's performance in the second half against Alabama. You know, they were able to move the ball little bit more. But I I do not think so I think we we have our game plan and in mind that we do and what we do best. And as as comes and goes, and and how we're able to attack that defense. I do think they took the gas off. And I think it's a subconscious thing your head twenty eight and nothing I you said man, we got this in the bag. And then all of a sudden they come by the game was never in doubt. So I think we're going to stick to what we do best and a running game. I think we can do I would like to see maybe a little bit more running, but we've got to offensive coordinators and. Tony Elliott and Jefferson is just those guys. Do a great job. Tim, you live on Kiawah island outside Charleston, which is your favorite golf course. My favorite well, play the ocean course about forty times a year the McGee now they're the ordering times a year. Yeah. Play with marina. When he comes up, and he said stop. If I didn't love you. I would never play golf with you. So I'm a little worse. But I usually just play with him and some of the guys, but I love cacique and the river course, also that's a private club at Kiawah island club. You island is one of the truly special places. Really is. Yeah. Thank you. I've been selling real estate here now for twenty three years. So it's great. I had no idea. I I was down there a couple of months ago, and I played the what is it? Asprey spray. Course, I actually had a pretty decent day for me out there. But it is it is a great place. How much golf you playing? If you're playing those course forty times a year how many rounds a year you playing. Well, I can't tell you because my boss might be listening. But there was one time I play them to twenty rounds a year, but I just had a hip replacement about seven weeks ago now so I've had to take the time off about looking forward to getting started up in the new year about Jim gives us. Prediction for the championship, Monday night, and Santa Clara. I think that some a win twenty seven twenty four by that's a that's a smart thing for somebody living in South Carolina to say in my Clemson as well, Jim stuck easy. The Clemson legend there in the seventies won two Super Bowls playing with the forty Niners in the nineteen eighties. It's always a pleasure. Jim having you on to talk Clemson football. Thanks for being on the sporting life. Yeah. Man. Thank you. Jeremy y'all take care I'm Jeremy shop, and you can listen to new editions of the sporting life every Saturday and Sunday morning on ESPN radio and ESPN app beginning at six AM eastern time.

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College Football Playoff National Championship Preview

The Solid Verbal: Living College Football

54:48 min | 1 year ago

College Football Playoff National Championship Preview

"The. Welcome to the solid. Verbal. For me. I'm a man on forty. I've heard so many players they why wanna be happy you want to be happy for day. Eight of state. Untie? Welcome back to the solid. Verbal boys and girls money is tie Hildebrandt. Joining me as always over there and beautiful New York City. My man, Dan Rubenstein, sir. How are you tag? Just took. It wasn't a coffee now. It was a green tea nap. Okay. If we're going to be very specific. Sure. Green, tea and blueberry Danish. Come you're very put anything, I know. I am. I went to the library today went to a coffee shop, it's happening. But at said toffee shop, I did a deep dive of my own into Clemson, Alabama. And I would say we ended the previous episode the New Year's Eve recap show with me feeling a little bit sour not sour. But jaded by the matchup of Clemson, Alabama. I think I'm in a little bit of a better place right now. Well, that's typically what happens as you know, we normally go to the national championship or not there this year. But typically. What you find happening, especially when he talked to the media folk that go to such things is everyone comes in with one assumption and over the course of like four or five days of being there and constantly talking about the game. Eventually people talk themselves into just the opposite. Or at a minimum talk themselves a little bit more into the game. Get a little bit more amped up for the game famously me and Notre Dame over Alabama right now and covering or. Yeah. I think I'm with you. Yeah. On that front as well. We've got Clemson. We've got Alabama we've had people write in and they've indicated their own level of Malays do this matchup. But nonetheless, we are previewing it with a few days to spare to give everyone a chance to prepare themselves accordingly for the one big game. Then it's all the marbles. They're playing it in Levi's stadium in Santa Clara, California is the college football playoff national championship. Presented by AT and T. Yes. Can we paint as complete? Picture as we possibly can since we are only talking about one game. Although I guess we can do a North Dakota state eastern Washington pick. But I wanna start I want to zoom out as wide as we possibly can. Yes. So the Twenty-eight let's start with twenty eighteen let's the game itself. Santa Clara sucks. I mean, it's fine as a place. Like, it's terrible. A by a stadium sucks. The fact that they're sucks because it's just nowhere near the capital of college football. Which is you know, for all intents and purposes in two thousand eighteen probably Atlanta. Sure. Okay. So whatever it is doesn't matter where the actual capital is. But it's not northern California. And if it's going to be in California, it should be at the Rose Bowl. If it's going to be elsewhere. I just do it somewhere warm and attractive for people to visit. It's that's the bay area in late December early January is not it. So do you do you argue with any of those points first off? Yeah. No, I'm on board with most of that. Sure. Yeah. They wanted to be like a Super Bowl thing where it's just like, oh, man. This whole city gets crazy for this game. And it's just not not it. So that that aside go get a torture at Mexico bakery, and San Jose. If you're in the area, it's literally just called Mexico bakery, Tai Chi hand, if there's a long line literally named literally Mexico bakery. This long. Line. They've been known to pass out doughnuts. 'cause that's pretty cool by me. Second off. Let's start. You wanna start Clemson her Alabama in terms of this season? Let's start with Alabama and just your perception of the twenty eighteen Alabama team yet being so Alabama's the defending champion again. They were in the scheme a year ago. They won in over time. It was the start of this to Tunga Tungurahua via low of fever. That has gripped the nation now for the better part of a year. My general oppression of Alabama Alabama doesn't have many weaknesses and they're so deep that even if their star quarterback goes down. They still got a quarterback in Jalen hurts on the roster who can come in and provide the necessary pop to get them over the finish line. We saw that. So that yeah. See championship game. Right. Yeah. I want an even wider angle lens though. Did you have fun watching Alabama this season? You know, what you know? What was your the wave? Of your emotions what was that ride? Like in the watch a lot of Alabama. Did you? I mean, I I know you watch the lot of the big stuff and medium size stuff. But you know, was was the Alabama twenty eighteen experience unique to this year, or do you feel like it almost ran together with other years well to some degree the answer is both right because the success has been continuous since Nick Sabin got there. And so it's very easy for once season to run into the next just because they always win. This is just this brand that Nick saban's built while he's been in Alabama. Jerry, Judy is to Calvin Ridley is to Amari Cooper is to blah, blah, blah. Yeah. I think that's right. But it is different in the sense that the offense has changed gradually over the course of time. Whereas before it might have been more lineup opposite the opponent run it down their throat with Derrick Henry or whoever have more of a gay manager quarterback in AJ McCarron. Now, we've got to Tunga via Loa who can. Do a whole hell of a lot more than a guy like McCarron the offense. I think has very gradually shifted more towards like spread. It's a little bit more wide open than I think we've seen over the course of time with Nick Sabin. So there have been subtle differences that have made this Alabama experience a little bit different than in the past. But ultimately, I think it shaded by the fact that Bama remains virtually unbeatable from week to week. Yeah. And it's to your point part of it is the movie, you know, death machine robot who the humans are saying. Oh my God. It's evolving. Freia? My god. It's learning the language. It's it's heat-seeking. And that is it's Nick Sabin having to reload not just players because he goes through so much attrition with guys leaving early, but also coaches, and at a certain point, if you're going to find the best coaches, you are going to find the most innovative coaches, and because you know, a combination of most wanting to be on a platform to be visible for their own career. But also somebody who has the the ability to whether the pressures that that come with coaching and Tuscaloosa and we've seen that year over year. Whether it's, you know, very briefly, Steve's Arcadian, but lane kiffin and now Mike Loxley, you know, Mario Cristobal was there. There's just they're all these names that come through and that Nick Sabin just gets the best out of. And so with this year's ration-. It is some sort of combination of Dan, you know, says the quarterbacks coach, I guess future offense coordinator, and then Mike Loxley and Josh Gad who came over from Penn State. We obviously saw I I wouldn't say the crater size Mark that he left by leaving there. But certainly the receivers the offense wasn't the same without Josh Gaddis. So to me that is just such a crazy. Impressive thing that it's not just not missing a beat. But it's not missing a beat putting on bionic arms every year. It's madness. Yeah. And to some degree. Maybe this will sound goofy. It remains pretty amazing to me that guys are as willing to Allah. Bama knowing that they're going to be a third string. This program has built this level of claim. Now were guys just they just wanna go there. They wanna be part of it. They know if they are part of it. It's gonna boat well for their NFL chances. But it's a risk. It's a risk at this point. If you're a five star Alabama because you're going to be surrounded by so many other five stars. There are no guarantees. It's an embarrassment of riches that Nick Sabin is built in Tuscaloosa. And that's part of the reason why this program feels like it's gotten to certainly has gotten a critical mass. There is just so much talent. So much depth of talent that it far exceeds the nearest competition. Now that being said, I suppose when we talk about clips, and we could talk a bit about their journey getting to a similar point because among all the other competition. College football, Clemson is I think the closest to Alabama with having. That depth of talent Georgia is getting to that level that depth of talent of Alabama. But really talking about rarified air here. Yeah. Because it's not just the getting of talent that the Seinfeld is not just taking the reservation. It's not just the acquisition of talent both in the coaching and depth chart. It's what are we developing that talent into vis-a-vis winds and trophies and heismans and all Americans, and nobody has done a better job of that the Nick Sabin and Alabama. So as it relates as we zoom in a little bit as relates to this year. They were definition they they were as entertaining a death machine. Short of you know, I like my triple option stuff, but hell Alabama probably had some option in there. They read players, but the fi the efficiency with which to operated, it was a little bit strange that we didn't have a dominant running back in Alabama system. And like we have in years past. But it's hardly a complaint. The fact that they you know, had to overcome a bunch of changes with starters on defense. But mind, you like you mentioned even if you don't start your getting in there. So a lot of a lot of these names on defense. Even though it they were sort of being bemoaned early on in the season because the secondary was pretty raw working in freshmen and transfers, and obviously Deontay Thompson was back but dealing with a big injury in the secondary that even that by halfway through the season. I mean, they were what shutting out Nellis you at Mississippi State. So it's it came together tight. And that to me is it's just madness. Why don't we go over to the Clemson side? Okay. And talk about their journey here. Now, Clemson comes at this from a similar albeit very different perspective, Clemson over the course of time under dabble Sweeney has built up that depth. They've gotten to a point where they can lose a guy like Dexter. Lawrence to drug test and still plug someone new in and be every bit as affective loan the defensive line that is a luxury that few teams have right? So they're getting there. And they're also getting there on the quarterback side. Think about this journey for them Kelly. Bryant leads them to the college football playoff a year ago, yet the second Trevor Lawrence steps on campus people are already talking about when he is going to supplant Bryant. Right. And it seemed almost a foregone conclusion before the start of the year that it was going to happen. Maybe around the time the ACC schedule started Dabo Sweeney has gone on the record. He's talked a lot about it. I don't think he felt great about doing what needed to be done. But he alternately makes the move. He goes to Trevor arms because he felt Trevor Lawrence gave them the best chance to win. Trevor warrants has only gotten better he had a few moments early or the showed his age. It's a true freshman, but over the course of the season, and certainly combination with what we saw that college football playoff. Against Notre Dame as I know full. Well, Trevor Lawrence looked every bit the part of a very high level elite caliber college football quarterback. He wasn't missing throws. He stood tall in the pocket. He looked extremely poised. I think any story with Clemson in twenty eighteen has to start with the defensive line, but has to move very quickly to where they've gone at quarterback now under travel arts, you watch Clemson this air, I had more fun watching Clemson that I did Alabama. I didn't know, and I don't think that it has nothing to do with. Clemson. It's just the with such a wreck that there there weren't moments with Trevor Lawrence because that Syracuse game side, obviously came down to the very end. But after that Syracuse game it was sixty three to three forty one seven fifty nine to ten seventy seven sixteen twenty seven seven thirty five six if six thirty five forty two ten and thirty two three again, not on Clemson on all of those. Those teams averaging whatever it was eleven points. Again, we're talking about teams that we knew were really really good and all on some level. We were kind of inventing ways for them to maybe be in close games. Chur? You were like, okay. The Syracuse game could be interesting at an M. Yeah. Boston College on the road. Like that. That could be interesting even though we know what we don't Florida state's team would look like before the season start P even pit in the ACC championship game. There was some recent history there that was pretty interesting on its face. But even despite the fact that we knew Clemson had a huge advantage going into those games while the one thing that they had in common was what turning to a quarterback who clearly had the higher ceiling. These are these are open air teams. Right. There's no clear ceiling for each of these teams. I I read Bill Connerly, I think Alabama face seven top twenty s and p plus teams and Notre Dame as the only one Clemson faced. So there was at least in terms of. Opponents production from these opponents otherwise outside of the Alabama games. Whereas the Clemson opponent resume was was pretty weak all things considered with where the ACC has been as recently as what two or three years ago when they perhaps said the deepest roster of quality quarterbacks and so- ala Bama at least at least especially in the second half of the air. Mississippi State was a top ten defense in the country. LSU was a top whatever, you know, eight twelve defense when healthy and and fully their defense, certainly these are not complete teams, especially when you look at their offense is Auburn in terms of talent comparable, Georgia, certainly in terms of pretty much everything was what touchdown short. So at least. There was a sense of Alabama. When they're beating teams down that they're beating down blue-chip talents. Assembled by mostly blue chip coaching staffs in sometimes difficult environments. We look at LSU and certainly. Playing Georgia in Atlanta's not the easiest deal. So I I go back the other direction that at least with Alabama their dominance has I here's what I'm going to categorize it as tie it. Just met more. Yeah. Okay. That doesn't mean they're gonna win. It just means my perception of their season comes with a little. I'm more impressed with how they got here. Again. I cannot stress this enough through no fault of clemson's. Because a team has excellent Clemson should have done what they did. Well, according to Bill Connolly's resume ranking, which is something. He's added Alabama Alabama's one clemson's to correct? These are the clear two best teams clear. Two best teams. They play on Monday. January the seventh at eight PM eastern on ESPN. It is Clemson Tigers at fourteen or no it is the Alabama crimson tide. You're defending national champions also at four. Teen, and oh the point spread here is six points in favor of Alabama the over under is fifty nine and a half a few interesting tidbits about this game. They've met eighteen times dating back to nineteen hundred Alabama's one fourteen clemson's one four most recently these teams have played in each of the last three postseasons two of those three or one possession games last year. Bama one twenty four to six in the playoff semi final sort of the beginning of the end of the Kelly Bryant era, if you're watching at home, you're gonna have what imagine dragons Lil Wayne doing halftime thing. That's your halftime show. Mine. They're actually not gonna be there. They're going to be performing. I think I saw Treasure Island in the middle of the bay twits Treasure Island church around. It's an artificial island built in the middle of San Francisco Bay, not not Alcatraz, not Alcatraz. No. I don't think they call that Treasure Island. Alcatraz would have been great Alcatraz does rule. Okay. Cool. I've never heard of Treasure Island. And if you're not going to be there if you live in the area, and you might be interested in going this could be your lucky day because these teams have been the best to all year. Maybe there is some diminished interest, maybe because of the location. I don't know. Here's the deal. The ticket prices are dropping we had originally planned on recording this show yesterday at which point the lowest price to get in the stadium was round two eighty five. I saw a tweet today that it came down. I think all the way to one hundred fifty dollars at time of recording on Thursday. So. So if you wait a few days longer, you might be able to get a just a rock bottom deal on getting into CNN championship game. Here. Do you think here's your first prop of the day over under get in price reported? So somebody actually has to have, you know, taken a screen grab, and whatever it seatgeek or whatever this is. This is good ninety nine dollars ninety nine cents. Get in. How is going to set it at ninety nine ninety nine? Okay. I'm gonna say somebody gets in for like eighty five bucks. Oh, not even in the nineties eighty five stadium. It's a big stadium. Not that previous Ness championships haven't been but it's a big stadium a big distance. Oh, yeah. I thought under myself eighty five. So here's what I think we learned from the semi finals, Dan. Okay. Kinda got extra measuring sticks. Now that we can use to figure this one out. That's especially true on the Clemson side. Granted Notre Dame is Bama not saying they are. But still for me I expected that Clemson defensive line have good day against Notre Dame. They absolutely did that I was most curious about the Clemson offense against a really good defense on the Notre Dame side. How would the line do against the Irish front seven? That was very good. How would ever Lawrence look against a good defense and a really big bowl? Setting both. I know they Hintze good. Yeah. He really good. Both of those boxes. I think were sufficiently checked for Clemson. And then on the Bama side. It was interesting to me to see a really good tempo. Offense against their defense. I don't know how seriously we take that. Because Bama was up twenty one points at halftime. And you know, sort of kill the clock in the second half. But Kyle Murray finished with over three hundred yards over one hundred yards rushing. Otherwise, their offense was sort of a hot knife through butter when they were going up against Oklahoma defense to a missed what three passes. So I think everything checked on the Bama side as well for what it's worth, I think that's what we learned from the semi's. We have probably gone on. I don't know. How about sixteen seventeen minutes into the show with a mentioned travesty tens name Mel and in terms of what we learned from Notre Dame, specifically, whatever. But in terms of what we learned from Clemson season. Even though I was not super. Impressed with their opponents. Get another new Clemson try Tian best running back in the nation. I say that going up at the end of the sentence because it's a question. But I I have a hard time figuring out if it's not Jonathan Taylor tailback. It's it's travesty. Dan, right. Travis T N is in the conversation. We'll let let mean who else is there to supplant him. While lemme hark back to Larry Williams said when I had about for the Homer show because I asked him about Travis he why wasn't he getting more hype? At the time for the Heisman Trophy is not I remember dick euless, and he said he doesn't get enough opportunities to be considered a legit Heisman candidate. And maybe not even be considered as a by Manny one of the best running backs in the nation. But you watch him run. It's not just speed. He's got moves. He runs with power. If it's. Not J T t this year. It certainly wasn't Bryce love. He was hurt. No. It's you have a real hard time trying to find someone better than what he did this year better than him the season. Yeah. There were there were guys who had nice years. And I think that goes back to Clemson not really having after Texas AM like a true platform game that everybody's like up. Here we go. This is when we find out of clemson's for real that. Yes, there Trayvon Williams is one hundred percent on that same tier it. It would be impossible to talk about running back. This is not an exercise in, you know, singling out other people, but it's just the year that he had and it's almost Travis T N and the fellas because and I don't even talking about just the offensive line. This Clemson team is built to to spread teams out. Then run the ball down their throats. They've had a ton of successful running backs in the system. It sorta shifted away with the Shawn Watson because guess obviously asked to shift away with the Shawn Watson, he's that good. But the receivers block. Doc. So so well, this is a team that sideline to sideline open up lanes increases whatever and he runs an in an unbelievably confident way. Also, he he went on. I don't think it matters in this game. Okay. So let's go there. Yeah. What are the most interesting matchups in this game that you're going to be watching? I have four on my list. It's one it's going to be the same thing. That is the the matchup that I pay attention to in every game. It's can you stop Alabama from rushing the passer with only four guys with only Quinton Williams and everybody along that defensive line if Alabama gets pressure if Alabama is claps in pockets, Alabama is wrapping up travesty Tian or whoever, you know, at the line of scrimmage with only really bringing those four guys up front his games over. That's just how it works. Quinton Williams might be the best player in college. Football. And again Notre Dame's front was really good a week ago. And I thought Clemson handled them accordingly. This is a different beast. It's a different beast. Just in Quincy's a top five pick does Clemson have a plan for dealing with him. Yeah. That's imperative. No that to me is probably number one question number two is and I think it was partially answered because we have now seen Trevor Lawrence against a really excellent defense in Notre Dame is what is Trevor Lawrence. Look like in terms of early poise because Alabama is a team that oh shoot up seventeen to three four minutes into the game. And so Clemson can't start slow. They just I don't think they can come back in this game. So what do what does Trevor Lawrence? What is this passing attack? Look like early on first quarter. They come out scripted jitter free and confidence and this is not going to be a situation gin. I'm not in team meetings. This isn't a. Option the playbook available and the progressions available to Trevor Lawrence probably won't look like what does Shawn Watson had in his final year at Clemson. So how does a pared-down or at least different looking offense of playbook with Trevor Lawrence running things. Look like early. What does that does that feel like whereas the confidence are they testing Alabama deep early and not wasting not doing what Washington did against Ohio State, essentially? Yeah, I've got Trevor Lawrence versus the Bama secondary on my list is well keep in mind. He carved up Notre Dame for three twenty seven three touchdowns in the lying gave him enough time to pick the spots. This kind of works with our previous point. How does the line deal with Alabama's front? We saw Jake from from Georgia have a superb game against Alabama in the SEC title game. So it's doable. We know. It's doable. And this Clemson wide receiving core is probably the best Alabama seen all. Ear they go like four or five deep a really good. If Trevor Lawrence can play at or near the same level as a week ago. I think the Clemson offense is in really good shape through the air. I think that's the main way they moved the ball though. Because to your point the ground game doesn't feel quite as promising for Clemson. Yeah. Again, nothing to do with this line. Nothing to do with Travis Tian or anybody toting the rock for for Clemson, thanking toting. It's more the the formula as we've seen and again, it's nothing is in stone. But from what we've seen of teams, it was you know, to Shawn Watson giving every ounce of his life. Being you know, his pants were torn he was hit so hard. It's going to have to happen through the air. It's going to have to happen vertically is going to have to happen fearlessly. And as you mentioned. Yes, this Clemson receiving core is not only the best line. That are the best wide receiving corps that Alabama has faced all year long. It's probably the best wide receiving corps that anybody's faced outside of teams that have played Alabama. Yeah. And so they have the like Justin Ross and T against both what six four both bigger bodies. Who will go up and challenge bought for balls with anybody? They've got hunter Renfro who is as dangerous slot receiver as we've seen on a major level at like nine other four stars event, Amari Rogers, who is just a yards a yak machine and a lot. To account for. I think a big difference though, is you will notice. I did not mention a tight end there. Right. You will notice. I did not mention a big threat over the middle, which weather was Evan Ingram. Whether it was suppose a little bit of Ryan Swope, even though he wasn't a tight end for tech say, m Jordan Leggett, most recently, there is that element of force Alabama to account for every blade of grass. And I I don't know if I fully see that with this group if there's any very small criticism, I have about what is available for Clemson in terms of personnel. That may be it. The other match up to me that's the top of my list, and it probably goes without saying, but it's clemson's defensive line against Alabama's offense of line in many ways, it's strength on strength. If you want to zoom in on a matchup Jona Williams against Cleland feral is going to be a war that how may breaks even on of breaks one way or the other Christian Wilkins versus the interior. Bid of the ban the line, probably favors Clemson. But if we zoom out and think about this more holistically the foundation of Alabama's offense for teen years now under Nick Sabin has been that they can fall back on the ground game. If all the other stuff is work, and they can always fall back on the ground game. If Clemson can somehow alter that ground game, it puts a lot more pressure onto and I think that's the key here. He's nicked up. He looked good last week. He did he moved. Well, if you can force him to move around more if you can force them the throw into tighter windows, he's an accurate passer. But let's see what he can do in another big game situation such as this. I think the winning formula for clemson's defense has to start with them Kerr tailing that Alabama rushing attack to some degree a really good sign for Clemson is just how many bodies they rotate and announce Bama does the same thing on defense because as we saw last year in the national championship game. What else obviously to it was the big difference in the second half. But what did we see from the Alabama offense? Which is something we've seen in years past. I will answer said question a weird running back closer. Right. We we had seen it in previous years with both Scarborough as like, okay, we're gonna wear you down where you're down. All right here. Comes rod Beck here. Here's haven't said the name rod Barati long time. Okay. Listen, you give me an option to to name check somebody with a giant food Manchu is going to do it last last year was nausea, Harris measure Harris's once again and the best running back in the two thousand sixteen class. I want to say maybe seventeen class. Yeah. He's the third string back you have Damian. Harris you have Josh Jacobs. They're sort of Damien Harris's bigger Jacobs's sort of faster Niger Harissa sort of a thing. And so if Clemson can avoid the sort of exhaustion that Georgia faced after going four quarters and overtime against Alabama. That's going to be enormous because they just keep tapping their shoulder to bring in the next righty. I it's unbelievable to me a couple other quick points here. Yeah. Don't take your eye off special teams at this game. Do not if there is one chink in the armor for Clemson for Alabama. This is it it's been a sauce but for both teams this season, and there's a prop. We're gonna talk quickly about some of the props towards the end of this show is a prop. I think it's plus one ninety which means you bet ten dollars to win nine heads of on there being defensive or special teams touchdown in the college football playoff national championship, which I don't believe has ever happened before in the history of college football playoff national championship games. I'd be willing to throw a few shackles on that one. Because both special teams are just shaky enough that something could break one way or the other true. I think Clemson returned a punt for a touchdown in Alabama. Returned a kick for a for a touchdown in Alabama has Jalen Waddell, who is just absurd. Lightning to just absolutely crazy. And we saw what it was two three years ago. It was three years ago because the Alabama won the surprise onside kick. Sure. So in terms of special teams play. A roll here. And both these teams having some busts in special teams. Can you imagine what would be going through the minds and hearts of Alabama fans if it comes down to like a forty eight yard field goal attempts and the PTSD involved in? Let's not actually feel bad for Alabama fans. But even still that's a reality of emotion. Yeah. I think you're right. I would also probably not bet that because I'm against fun. But I I understand why you would bet it just because of the shakiness of the of the units involved. What is the key matchup to you though? If you're picking one what is the key matchup? That's gonna decide this game. I think we probably already talked about it. Trevor Lawrence throwing into the Alabama defense because so much we we have a concept of what to a looks like repeatedly against top-flight defenses. And we know the line in front of MS is really good in front of both quarterbacks. Really? We know. The receivers are good. There's just something about Alabama's secondary early on as mentioned as we mentioned giving up some bigger place, and what we have Patrick, sir. Tanger- a true freshman starting on one side, we have maybe the best safety in the country and Deontay Thompson playing center field. But there there will be yardage to be had. And looking at these props one that I really really do. Like, I think there is an over under four longest past completed for Kennedy's quarterbacks. They're both around forty if I remember correctly. It's about forty one and a half and thirty nine and a half. I think both of these quarterbacks complete forty five plus yard passes in this game. Okay. But yes. In terms of these specific match that decides it it is Trevor Lawrence having enough time feeling common off and feeling confident enough. And there's every indication that he will based on what we saw against Notre Dame on that big stage in I'm gonna give my receiver a chance to make a play against a top-flight secondary. And it not checked down all the time and have coaches trust him to make big throws post corner outs to the the back pylon stuff like that. What does he look like as a true freshman because we've had really good true freshman quarterbacks nine right? Like this not not being counted on on this level to make the kinds of plays that he will have to make for Clemson to beats a clear dynasty. I think I'm honed in on clemson's secondary. Yeah. That's a good point against deep. Balls against intermediate throws Notre Dame some points on the board. And it was because he book construct the field the deep ball. Even some intermediate throws. They were there. If two gets time he's going to do a lot better than he in book. I think we know that already know he throws a great deep ball in general. He's super accurate on top of that. Bama has way more weaponry with Notre Dame. We had miles. Boy. We had chased clay Pouliot. Allison mack. Bama goes five deep. I don't even think. Jalen Waddell, had catch against Oklahoma. They go five deep. They go five deep with guys who could win one. Oh, one matchups. Yeah. You can start with Jerry Judy. And Henry rugs he talked about Jalen Waddell goes all the way down to earth Smith junior. They had five receivers on this team with at least six touchdown receptions and six hundred yards on the year. That's gonna put a big strain on that secondary. And I think that's a matchup that favors Alabama. So to that end while we're talking about props the one that jumps out at me. And I'm sure there are more. This is still pretty early on in the game. We're doing this on a Thursday. They're gonna be more that pop up. But right. The von tastes Smith over under forty seven and a half yards. I think is a really interesting proposition bet on the receiving side because bam is going to put pressure on the sort of nothing guy a third fourth receiver tight end someone kinda in that wavelength is gonna find themselves the really big game here. And like you said he is all or nothing might only. Take one catch for him to get the over there. I really like what's the rugs? Over under the rugs over under is forty nine and a half yards like that one a lot because I do anticipate Clemson being able to get to a bunch just in terms of short hitches and crossing routes. He's so good after the catch not that. He doesn't run deeper outs as well. But he is just so electric with the ball that rugs to me almost feels like a more consistent a safer pick to me to a clips the forty nine and a half, whatever it is minor all kind of interrelated. And in a weird way. I didn't plan this. I swear they all kind of work on what I was seeing when I was trying to do some research on this one. So you assume two things first off that Alabama's gonna spread the rock around in the backfield gonna give bunch Mary's out last week. It was actually Josh Jacobs who led the team areas if you also assume that the defensive line for Clemson is gonna somewhat curtail the ru-. Shing attack from Alabama the under for Damian Harris, rushing yards at fifty and a half seems like a pretty good. I don't like to root for under because it's just thought Ryan, right? But I think from a betting perspective under fifty and a half yards is a pretty good bet there. Yeah. The coolest person at the sports bar is the one who says oh, I have the under. Now. I don't wanna be watched a terrible game. And I don't often. So with that being said if the run game, isn't there? They puts more pressure on to to throw it. And I think over two and a half passing touchdowns is the move for two. I could see by the way. What's what two Trevor Lawrence too? Yeah. Could one hundred percent see him culturing his own touchdown over under and running it in from like the four on a key or something like that? When you has to all ready and just pushes could one hundred percent see that by the way. I don't know if you notice this because you were probably spiking all of your electronics during the Notre Dame Clemson game. Is I had always been under the impression. It was Cleland Farrell. Okay. I did I think who's calling Sean McDonough your boy, it was my guy, Sean McDonough, he was making a point of saying Cleland Ferral. Yeah. And this is probably something all Clemson fans already knew. But it did remind me of the Monty Monty ball. Mario ta where Sean McDonough who I'm positive does more research into his games than humanly possible. It was. It was a nice little nugget that I I hope is true that were it's just Ferral. Mario ta Mario ta of. So back to your point though. I I think you're right. I think you're right about everything. I I like the way you're leading with the props. My final prediction here is Alabama thirty three clips in twenty eight. I think a good game. I think tight game. I would not want to be on the side of Alabama. Or Clemson for that matter minus anything this is almost the exact over under that it opened his eight is it was it was a sixty one issue. Maybe one and a half with like a five six point. So you're right there. Yeah. Thirty three twenty eight feels about right to me would not wanna lay six points here. I feel like these teams are pretty close. These games have a tendency to either make it closer or turn it into a blowout. And I think it's gonna make a closer thirty three twenty. It's my final. Yeah. I'm I'm gonna be the under guy, which is the worst way to announce yourself as a superhero Scher. Yeah. I'm going to be the under guy. I have twenty eight twenty three I have it as a almost a very rose bullish game. I think it's a slower start for Clemson. I think they storm back impressively, but it's not quite enough. And so I'm going the under hair. I think it's relatively low scoring because of these defenses because of each of these teams pass rushes and so somewhere in that vicinity. Now, it's probably prudent to ask another question. If there is a blow out, it's definitely Alabama winning. I would say most likely. Yeah. Okay. Because it's we should've asked that question before the playoff because I would have been able to revel in a correct prediction for once the season. But yes, it probably has Alabama. And somebody asked us we're gonna review some Twitter questions here in a moment. We can just go into a right now. Alabama's in pretty good shape to randomly rolls ankle, which we are not hoping for at all. Reinjured the ankle. That is Hertz. Trevor Lawrence gets hurt. Yeah. That's a problem. That's it. That's. Well, no disrespect to chase Bryce seems like a perfectly. Nice young man result. Yeah. I think that's that. I think that's all she wrote s-. So yeah, I think that if there is a blowout. It's Alabama over Clemson. But wouldn't it be something? If climbs laid the would. Yeah. That would be if it was like, oh, just won the national championship. Thirty eight to ten. They just boat race them. Then slowly crock pot them whatever verbs you wanna use that without hell feel out of nowhere. All right. So here's the deal. You got questions. Hopefully, we've got some answers. I'll start with the question that I actually didn't ask you yet. I suppose know the answer, but we did some halftime streams during the two playoff semi finals can people expect more streams from you. And I on Monday evening may be pre-game. Maybe during halftime, maybe a quick one post game. I mean, sure let us know if you prefer which time all times, I don't know. We'll do whatever you guys want. But I'm game. They'll be Instagram. Right solid. The Graham handle we'll do it on the it'll be on Instagram because I don't think you can easily do side by side on periscope. Right. If you feel like doing something on periscope by all means do something on periscope from the solid verbal count. But yes, it'll be Instagram. It will be maybe we'll do something pre-game answer some. Questions and do half time and post game. Yeah. Why not? All right. Also. There's no coaches show. Did you see that? My god. I'm fit to be tied over this. So the coaches film room has affected been replaced now by the Monday night football film room, which features Joe Tessa tour. We love we love Joe Tessa tour. Sure as well as Jason Witten booger McFarland anti mcshea like Todd mcshay, as well, the I just, you know, I might be another out of touch podcast her. I'm just not sure people were begging for more Jason Witten in their college football. Oh, maybe it's just me. I don't I don't know. If it's just me it here was my question. Really? Do you think it was ESPN saying, you know, what we're gonna try something new and try to put our Monday night football crew in a more forward facing college role. People can get used to them all over the sports spectrum. Or do you think the only coaches they can confirm were not big enough? No, I think they pulled the plug. I think it's they signed Jason Witten to a big contract. And now they want to try and get their money's worth of you know, like they bought the SUV he'd cooker now they wanna cook everything with the SUV cooker. Yeah. I think that's entirely possible. I just am. I am very hopeful that somebody at ESPN said. All right. We've got Chris ash. We've got Luc fickle. We've got. No. That's not true. You know? That's not true. I know they they can get big names got kalani talk. Right. And that's it just with the Raas. Sir. All due respect to all those coaches. Do varying degrees of jobs. I think it's possible. I think it's possible that maybe they had one big name because you can get Mack Brown. You can obviously get back Brown even feel only have three guys or two guys in the booth. Even if it were just the coaches that work for ESPN and a lot of people don't love, Jim Mora. But if you just had like, a very nerdy film room with maybe a recently retired coach, I dunno whoever's still can add texture to the average. They still know they're doing to some very put richt on camera. Put Rick digamma and try to get. I mean, it's a tough ass, but like get Brian Kelly and Lincoln Riley about urban. What's he doing urban got ESPN do that while he's he's teaching? He is he's a professor now too. The that was disappointing. And again, we put this off route on Twitter if any F B S head coach wants to come over to either one of our places in eastern PA or a New York we will feed you we will put a webcam on you'll straight, and we will we will stream out the game. The camera facing the couch, not the TV screen extremely low rent. But we'll do it drive to your place. You can drive to mind will will figure out what we will feed you. Yes. So I have I have twenty eight twenty three I'm gonna miss the film room. I'm not gonna watch the halftime concert. Do you have a final hop -fensive coordinator recommendation because I do. Okay, you go first we have a brewery that we are just enormous fans of that is probably the college football brewery in America, man, that's druid city. Yeah. And Tuscaloosa Alabama, I don't know their distribution plan. I don't know how far and wide. They are available. But if you can get your hands on some druid city. They are not paying us. They are not sponsors. We just know appreciate their enthusiasm for the sport. That would be my pick. Okay. I need more time to I was not prepared for this. I know I caught you off guard here. So let's let's talk about some other questions here. And then we'll pack with my final hop -fensive coordinator suggestion. Okay. Let's go to number was from Ian. What is the drop off from Dexter Lawrence at defensive tackle to Albert Huggins? Who started against no not that big not big seem Tepi successful. He seemed like he can do a pretty good job there then. Yeah. We mentioned this before he he is primarily his strength primarily, according to people who are more familiar with him than we are is getting after the passer more so than he's not a double team necessity against the run. So maybe that's a big difference of Alabama really plans on on pounding the ball on the grounds. Maybe that's a difference. But in terms of actual talent and technique job off is not does not seem at least. To be significant. But he also as we mentioned everybody on this defense rotates in and out. So he was already playing twenty twenty five snaps game against the better Tian on that worried about that too much. Do you think tragedy and this just came in from Elliot not east coast? I'll just an Elliott Elliott. Do you think Dr CDN can exploit Alabama through the air slash ground. Like swift sixty three yards in the air and seventy five yards on the ground in the championship game. That's a good question. That's a really good question. So you were talking about guys going over the middle about Clemson not having not having so much that tight end threat. They're leading tight end the season heads something like six catches Travis. CTN wasn't noted for coming out of the backfield much only had eleven catches one touchdown on the year. I'd be curious to see if he's a guy that they can be a little bit more creative within this game. If they're looking exploited the middle of they can't do it with hunter Renfro if E T N out of the backfield could play more of that the. Andrea swift role. Yeah. I'm that's interesting to me and. I think the answer is probably somewhat. But it what's true of these Alabama defenses that we've seen as as soon as somebody finds a whole this the staff is very quick to plug it. And I am Agean. They're going to have some answers with a very athletic linebacking core, and they're not gonna be able to run stride for stride with travesty T. But something some sort of bracketing we got a question about let me find the actual question. But it was about RPO's and how they're this from Zane, which by the way, great name, totally under naked. Underrated name. Yes. Ain't I like him. Great ne- Zane who's Twitter handle is crimson tide twenty eight so okay neutral. Observer sure, how does Clemson defend bama's RPO's? First of all. Yeah. I don't know. Second of all second of all we actually did a show with our dear, dear friend, crispy Brown, crispy of smart football. And he talked a lot about what the most successful defensive mines have tried to do and have had some success with in playing against teams that run a lot of RPO stuff and not to get overly technical both because it's not really good to get overly technical in audio form. And also, I don't really know what I'm talking about. But it's a lot of bracketing. It's a lot of breaking the actual defense down into multiple parts of the field and saying, okay, these three guys are bracketing here. And it's a lot of being very hopeful that you can get pressure really quickly and get hands up. You get those you start throwing into a forest RPO's become difficult to a Tonga Bilo for all that. He is not the tallest dude in the world. Now is that Trevor Lawrence. So it's a lot of disruption it some chance taking. But again, it's it's to a reading specific player. So it's not like you can do something specific you can't necessarily always dictate what the offense does because they're waiting for you to make a move or not make a move, and they'll just pan it off. So I think it's going to be a lot of that. There's a reason Clemson has perhaps the best defense in the country. And it's because teams try to throw a lot at them, and it does nothing much sticks. And so I imagine nothing will be dramatically different with the way that that Clemson handles these things their linebackers are I think they've gotten in KENDALL Joseph is still there, right? He's he's been there for seventeen years. But yes, ranked their linebackers are really really good. I don't know if they're fully on the level of previous years linebackers, and that's mostly because they really haven't been tested. So I imagine it's going to be that sort of communication bracketing and saying. Thing. Okay. This like this five by five yard chunk is me. And it's that match up zone mentality that Alabama has run probably better than anybody else. So it, you know, you're you're showing things what was the phrase that. You had never heard of seeing ghosts. Yeah. No, it's making its making to a CEO, by the way. I got a text from our friend Yogi Ross. Yeah. From the Pac twelve network, and he did the text was never heard of seeing ghosts come on. Yeah. No. That's fine. Over here globais tomatoes me neither no tie. This is you're onto something that I'm not your hip to a a new breed of tomato. That's right. So I think that's what it is. I think what it is going to come down to is making plays. Gaping the ball in front of you may be forcing the give and hoping for the best with with the interior defensive line. All right. Two more really quick questions. Okay. Out strong, the close out strong one final game here. Clemson Alabama for all the marbles. Steven wants to know yet. Cowards analyze the real title game, North Dakota state or eastern, Washington state. Yeah. Bison minus fourteen with coach heading elsewhere. Yeah. No, go bison on that. I played that game before I'm not going there again. Anything? Co- gates keeping a close thirty five dollars. That's pretty much all of the questions that are directly related to this. I will close with the same sort of thought that we sort of opened the show with and that is relative to I guess other games this year, relative to previous national championship games or previous big college football games. We are in agreement that we are interested in all sorts of angles with this game as a story as a broader narrative. Where does this game register in your mind with I I don't know what the height is with something like that for you. Who's USC Texas if it was like a huge Notre Dame USC matchup. If it was whatever was I don't know. But in terms of the tight excitement, oh meter the the football arousal zone of your brain. Well, that's steep. Are are there neurons firing on a high level? There will be on Monday night. Okay. There will be a Monday night. We do a college football show. We've done it for ten years. Yeah. There's not going to be a national champion game that I don't get fired up for. And I think this is no different. I'm excited to watch his game. It might not have the high level intrigue that some other games of had. But when this one rolls around on Monday evening, I'm going to be fired up, and I'm gonna be drinking some dogfish head Midas touch. You love that dogfish head Midas. Touch. You don't need much of it. We all gotta go to work the next day which quarterback which team will have the Midas touch. Oh, okay. So you're taking the slight over I'm taking a actually a healthy under. We both are taking the points. But taking Clemson in the points, right? Yes. Yep. Correct. About five points, but sort of barely we're just hoping for drama. I think that's what I this is this actually to answer my question. It's still registers pretty low. I remember being pretty excited about Florida state Auburn and the crazy offense at Florida state had that year and how strongly Auburn especially on offense finished out, though would have been what twenty thirteen. Yeah. Right. Getting the rematch of Alabama Clemson with the Shawn Watson was was pretty incredible. To me. I'm just looking at the game since we started the show. I'm not counting Oregon games because obviously I was excited for for those. So I think we're in like tenth eleventh year. No, this is probably six seven eight somewhere in there for me. All right. We'll on that note, we both like Bama to win Clemson to cover. Doozy. Tune to our Twitter feed or Facebook page our Instagram account where we're going to be doing some live video. 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Clemson Defensive Line 360

NFL: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks

1:13:13 hr | 1 year ago

Clemson Defensive Line 360

"Everybody. It's Daniel Jeremiah for move, the sticks and Bucky Brooks. And this is the Clemson Tigers defensive line three sixty pressure right in the face. Get used to it sack. Once the ball. They got four outstanding deland six to the Joe's. Nowhere actually comes pressure in east hit and Trump second out. Kansas. I balked for those that don't know about the three sixty series. It's it's where we take a deep dive usually on one individual player, although we've made an exception on this episode because it's not often you have defensive line as talented as this Clemson group all entering the draft at the exact same time. So we're gonna do a little bit of a deep dive on all the members of the Clinton defensive line today. You're going to hear from coach's family members in elementary school principal, and of course, from the Ford national champion defensive lineman themselves. All right before we get to those interviews though. But just kind of our take on these guys. And I say we start let's start with let's start with the big Dexter there. Dexter Lawrence your evaluation of him. And where you see him fitting in at the next level. You know, Dexter is a very very talented run stopping defensive tackle a guy that is ideally suited to be a nose tackle at the next level size strength athleticism. He has all those things in space. But what he really has is a unique athleticism for a guy that is three hundred and forty pounds. You just don't see guys with that big that can move like that when it comes to his Silliman's floor. I think he has the opportunity to be a guy that is a dominant nose tackle guy that really commands double teams consistently creates disruption against run and maybe as able to push the pocket a little bit. If you think about like what he could do and what he could be. I think he'd be maybe a more athletic version of what Vince we'll Ford was able to do for the New England Patriots for using years on it, meaning a big athletic, man. But a guy that really is a nice zero technique. They kinda dominates everything and Claus up the middle. One thing that's going to do is wherever he goes the guys that played behind him on that second level of the linebackers. You're gonna love him because he can eat up a lot of blocks allow those linebackers to flow and make a bunch of tackle. So your team. That's maybe a little under size, and you want to have some speed there at the second level. Somebody like Dexter Lawrence is going to help benefit those guys in what they do. I steps in day one. He's a starter. He could dominate against Iran run. He's going to push the pocket as you said as a pass rusher with maybe a little bit upside there, I think he got some development to take place. But there is some quickness that you see that could bode well for him and his future development. All right. How about Christian Wilkins Bucknell defensive lineman? Look, you just don't see guys that are this talented in athletic up front. I mean, he is one of the rare Gadsden I believe can play anywhere from a zebra technique to a nine meaning that he can play over the nose or he could kick all the way outside and be a wide defensive end. Also Pasha situations unique talent, I gotta his outstanding. I dip quickness has excellent movement scales balancing body. Control. You can see this guy being disruptive force at the next level in a movement based defense that allows him to really shoot gaps and penetrate, he has all the tools that you look for those positions. I don't think he want him to just sit to gap. I don't think you're gonna like what you get. If that's what your goal is. But put him in a gap. Let him get up field. You talk about someone in the backside in the run game with his quickness and the effort that he plays with he's gonna make a lot of plays. You trying to run away from him. And then as a pass rusher quick feet quick hands. He's Lucy can get in gaps in and be pretty disruptive there. So I'm a big fan of his I think he's one of the ten best players in this year's draft class. How about Cleveland feral here on the outside? You know, Farrell is someone that everyone is looking for that speed rusher together. Add to the defense in Farrell is I quickness bursts get been and turned the corner has great close and burst finish. But also shows a little bit ability to kind of work inside when he feels to tackle over sit. When I look at him. I look at a guy that he's going to be able to not only run around the edge to get to the quarterback. But he's going to be able to convert some of that speed into power take some guys on right down the middle. And then work inside. I like his long or move. I just think this guy has a ton of potential. I haven't graded just outside the top twenty turns of top twenty players. But I think he's a guy that could be a perennial. Ten sec artists in the right situation. Yeah. I like his game. I think it translates. Really? Well, I think we're probably in the same boat. He's my twenty first player, but what I like about him is he can do everything against the run. Let's start there. He can set the edge uses his length a real physical physical player there at the point of attacks. You don't have to worry about him and rundowns and then as a pass rusher. More power than anything else, you mentioned that long arm. He's really good with his hands. He's got the production in college to back it up against quality opponents. So you like to see that usually that translates to the next level plays extremely hard in the character as everybody's gonna learn as we go through these interviews today. The character is off the charts a pretty special young guy. Yes. Especially you guys as all of these guys. And I think that it is often neglected is Austin Bryant and Austin Brennan, a guy who was a solid starter. Gal was excellent contributor. He is not quite in the same caliber class as his three teammates. But he's someone that is certainly productive to a rolling. Tigers sniffing out. And what we know about Clemson defensive lineman. They find their way into the league. And they find a way to stick. Look. No further new wedge, Grady, Jared has been able to do doing his time with the Atlanta Falcons. Austin Brian is a guy that is a blue collar worker kind of a hard head and lunch. Bill guy physical at the point of attack hasn't been treating traits. And so it's just a matter of where does he fit in? How can jump into the rotation and give you contributions, but there's no doubt in my mind that he plays in place where longtime and league. No doubt. I go everything that you just said there, and I think he's going to be a value. I don't know where he's going to go on. I have I have in valued in that late second round range. I think he's going to be an excellent excellent pro football player who just got a little bit neglected and forgotten about in this group. And by the way, I feel like before we get to these interviews all politics to Bert Huggins, another draftable defensive lineman from Clemson. We're not doing a deep dive on Mr. Huggins today did not start for this team was a backup. But I do think he's going to be draftable player in the six or seven th round. That speaks to the overall death and talent of this Clemson group. All right. Let's leave things off here with special interview. It's a it's a first for us here on move to six because this one is with the principal of an elementary school in South Carolina. All right block. I can't be more excited than I am right now because during the three sixty series, we've got a chance to talk to teammates high school coaches, college coaches guys that have trained these players as they get ready for the combine we've talked to basketball coaches, we've talked to baseball coaches, we have yet to talk to an elementary school principal, and that is the most important role of anybody. We've talked to actually Robertson joins us right now. And Ashley you have a unique connection to one of the players on the Clemson defensive line. I'll give you the floor and let you share the story. I Dave thank you. So he came to our school James and Brown elementary in South Carolina. And he was our sub for the day. And as those who is it because there's so many Clemson defensive linemen which which Clemson defensive lineman. Did you have as a sub? Absolutely. They're all amazing. I had the one and only Christian Wilkins here. There we go. Yes. He was able to come to our school and be with our pre K kids and our kindergarten kids. And so it was very interesting to see him come in and him to be extremely scared at first and he even referenced the kindergarten cop option, and that's like, yeah. That's exactly what I was going to be like for a big guy like you in this room with little kids. But he he did outstanding. Wilkins thinking about that is so unique to have a star player who not only goes to an elementary, but really wants to be a part of the educational process having going through and his student teaching in doing that. How unique is it a have someone with his kind of accolades come to an elementary school and really want to be all when it comes to educating the kids as lightly, and it definitely was all. And when he first came in. I asked him do you want us to tell the adults in the building to kind of stay away a little bit? But you could tell from the minute he walked in the door. He was all about his job and his job was to educate children. It was not about the notoriety. It was not about doing a sub position. And being a player. It was quite clear. He was there for the children. Now, the children my kids had no idea who he was there were very few that did. And so it was it was great to see him interact as if everything was normal for them. Well, this is the question is he a bring your own lunch to school? He did that actually stood out to me because I had to find the refrigerator for him. But he brought it in a Little Brown almost like a gift bag type thing. And it had a little note on the outside. That's phenomenal. Hopefully, so to actually for you how. I guess how rewarding is it like knowing that you were Clemson grad. You have all the the grease three degrees that you earned from Clemson. You are self proclaimed self-doubt at superfan of the football team. How exciting was it for you to have one of the stars of your team in your elementary working on a your direction? So that morning when my secretary called me and said, you're never going to believe he's here. My kids in my car on the way to school were scared to death because I started yelling and screaming out so excited I got to the front office. And I told everybody in the front office. I said he's mine I'm walking. So nobody else really had a chance to do anything. And so yes alternately I was over the moon excited. But what stood out to me is importantly was his professionalism? And I know the program that Devo sends them through and it was quite evident that Devo is growing men for the real world. Not just someone playing a sport. Actually, I've got to ask, you know, haven't got your your three degrees from Clemson have been a fan of this program. What does it mean to you as a fan when you see those Clemson Tigers come running down the hill? And then I'm gonna let share. He has with the hill fan somebody. That's went to Clemson. What does that run down the hill mean to you? It's the most amazing twenty five seconds in college football. And it's something that improvements to be able to watch every home game. And it sends chills up now must find every single time. It never gets old. So as you so since you've been. No, no since since since since you've been there. I'm most let you know that I am a tarheel routes or he'll and while I was in school plan for the football team in North Carolina wheat went to Clemson. And we had a game. And I decided with just a couple of my teammates to run to the bottom of the hill prior to the game as the Tigers were beginning to rub on how was rock, and I decided that you know, today was a day to North Carolina was gonna make statement. So we wanted Clemson to run down the hill quickly to come and get this tale kicking that we had waiting for them. So as a fan, how would that make you feel would you be in your feelings? Would you feel some kind of way if you saw a tar heel four tar heel blue regard, you come and kinda wave them down and say come on and get some of this. Well, because we are traced out the nurse, and we are very kind to everybody that comes to Clemson. We will just show you how it has. And I can tell you that afternoon. They certainly showed us how it was. Right. The last question that I'll let you go. We appreciate you taking some time out of your very busy schedule. But let's fast forward. Let's say let's say fourteen years from now Kristie Wilkins decides to hang up the cleats. He said an unbelievable run. He's on his way to the pro football hall of fame, but Christian Wilkins wants to go be an educator wants to be a teacher, and he asks you for recommendation, what does that recommendation say? Absolutely all day every day all in and he can bring his. Outfit. Teaching. Yeah. They would engaging for sure. That is still great. Well, I have enjoyed this conversation Asher. Thank you so much for taking some time with us today and hopefully catch up when you down the road. Thank you so much. I appreciate it gas. All right book. It's not every day. We get chance to visit with the elementary school principal. I enjoyed talking to to a miss Ashley Robertson there. What a great insight. She offered their on Christian Wilkins. She did offer terrific insight in a think, you know, you know, we've been in draft room. So much of what we do is not only assessment what a player is on the field. But how is he often field? And how's he going to blend into the locker room? I think the anti that. She was able to give on Christian coming in doing student teaching and coming in and the seriousness that he displayed in his job. I think it makes you believe that he's going to be a solid profession when he gets an opportunity to join a pro team. And so I came away. Even more impressed with number forty two after listening to Ashley talk about him. You can't see his energy on a football field. I can imagine he would need that energy to match in elementary school classroom. I mean think about how. Let me think about how always going to face. How unusual is dead for a guy to do the stuff that he has been able to do on the field. But yet still have the time to think about one what he wanted to do in his academic pursuits what he wants to do later in life and into fulfil that while also chasing national championships. Pretty unique advised. Let's go from a principal to a coach gonna go to Gary Jordan's man, we had a chance of visit with buck who was at framingham. Highschool in Massachusetts where he had a chance to coach a young Christian Wilkins. Coach. How're you doing today? I'm doing great real quick. Just first time you met Christian Wilkins. And what was your impression? Well, I'd heard about Christian Wilkins from the youth football coaches in framingham. And. He had a he had a definitive reputation of being the nicest kid off the field, but the meanest kid on the field. And when I met him he was the nicest kid, and then when I started coaching them he was one of the meanest kids on the field. So he did his reputation. You know, coach with a guy athletic as Christian. What were some of the things that you deal with him on offense and defense when you have a chance to coach him. Well. Several things on on defense. He played he played inter tackle and defensive and and he was excellent at both as a freshman. He was the first freshman that ever started for me at framingham. And he he did equally as well on offense. Coach what was what was his other athletic background? Like, we see that big and that athletes doing the splits and all the fun stuff. He does on the side. I got imagine. He played some other sports besides football. He did. He was a really really good basketball player. Really good rebounder. He could run the court played defense. Very well. And yeah, he was he he was always he's the same same kid. He's a playful great athlete who you know. He's going to his skills are going to transition well to the NFL he's he's he's going to be an excellent pro. You know in thinking about that you described him as being one of the nicest kids off the field, but Ameen got on the field, and he's going to be corralled by a Wilkins and sex talk about watching that transition where he flips the switch as you kinda steps between the lines. Well, one of my favorite memories of Christian was when we took him away to camp. And I immediately texted him the first time we could have contact. I put him up against a two year captain kid who's going to play. Lower division one football. But a really good player. And they went one on one in Christian honest to God, he made this kid cry. That's how that's how good he what this kid literally starting my cap in two year cap and started crying after trying to go against Christian. And then another one was was a good friend of mine was the coach of an opposing team his nephew was an all conference player on offense and Christian beat him up so bad that that game. His uncle who the head coach was screaming at him telling him. He how embarrassed he was that. He was getting beat by a freshman. So, you know, Christian missions in exceptional player and great great young, man. And I'm looking forward to seeing them play in the NFL. You talked about Christian. We'll be he'll make an easy transition from college to the National Football League. Why do you believe he'll make such an easy and smooth transition to the league, he's driven? He's driven. He's a he's always had a great focus in love football. And. Any smart? He's very smart kid coach in your in your coaching career. Have you had anybody that is anywhere near what this kid is? And what this kid's going to be. Or is this a once in a generation once in a lifetime player yet? So I've been coaching over twenty years, and I can say absolutely not he is the number one kid coached. Then it's not close. I have a I do have a someone with NFL bloodline sent him coaching. Now that that I think is going to be a really really exceptional player by Christians number one. And he's number one by far coach, I can't I can't thank you enough for taking some time with us here today, we do appreciate it. Then we're looking forward to watching Christian as this journey continues for him as I know yours. Well, I am. Thank you DJ. Thank you Bucky guy. Hi buckeye. Look, you get a chance to talk to somebody. That's been around these players at a young age. Tremendous insight offered their by coach Dougherty you. Tremendous, insight, big believer. You know, coming from our background. We would talk to high school, teachers and coaches trying to get even more perspective. And so to have someone who was around Christian doing those formative years continues to just kind of cement the case. And that he is not on the topic. But he's a great AA plus person. And so love the inside that he was able to share about Christian. Yeah. It sounded like he didn't take long for him to stand out amongst his peers there in Massachusetts what a phenomenal high school player in something that carried over quite easily to the next level. What do we got next year? DJ thing that we talked about with the clips at tixx. It's not just one guy. You talk about four guys that we could talk about. So the next one we're gonna talk at all American defensive tackle. We were able to catch it with his mom. Julia Parker that is the mother of all American decks Lawrence. Can you tell us about some of the stories about him growing up? What what sports was was Dexter into in? And how was he has an athlete as a young kid? Well, I he was into baseball. And then he started like in basketball. And then his father actually got him into football. And they won the little meet championship or like, boys and Girls Club when something like that. And so then he started like football. But his passion with basketball, you think that that passion. And in that time he spent on the basketball court. I gotta believe for somebody is big and strong as he is the lettuce schism in his quickness. I'd imagine you saw that displayed on the basketball court at a young age. Oh, yes. Pretty a pretty special pretty special player there. Now, my partner here on our podcast Bucky Brooks, his father had chance to coach Dexter. He was his coach in highschool now can use can you share with us any good stories between Dexter and his coach that I can share with my co-host Bucky. So he loves Cobra. He he always come home and Cam I like coach wrote. Well, you know, his son I think dad's a little bit more likable than the sun. You know, the sun can be you know, you never know what you're going to get with him. So no, I'm just kidding. We love Duckie here. I want to go into the decision to go to Clemson. Because I understand things did not go that great. When you when you all went for your visit there, Clemson, tell us that story. So we went there. It is. Junior year. I want to say a we've we we wasted Florida state game plan against Florida play Clemson. And then after the game we got into a bad accident. We got it was like a three car accident. Somebody hit a we ended up getting somebody. Oh while and so the car was totally lows, and we drove home in a total loan car because we would you so upset we were going to sit at night. But I was like oh, no at times. He is saying like, oh, we going home. Well, you might be thinking there. Maybe this isn't the place to be then this did not end up. Well at the end of that visit. Oh, no. You coming here. What changed? So it changed because Cobb him corridas Bank that summer when he was about to become a thing. And it was like, oh, no. We gotta have YoM back here. We got an show y'all with Clemson is all about. What happened? I mean, well, we we drove up here. And so when we get back there are like, okay. Some fully different. You magin it being a better experience with all the winning and the production and the fun. It looked like that group had during his run their Clemson. I can't imagine could go much better. Yes, I'm so happy that he chose just because of the winning. Just because the overall environment. Well, I'll tell you what I I'm excited for this next chapter for your son because all the background work that I've done on on my I've got nothing but positive about him as a as a worker as a leader in is just as cold young man, and he is a dynamic football player who's going to hear his name called in the first round of the upcoming draft. And I cannot wait to see where he lands and follow his career. And I know that there will be maybe one person works cited than Dexter on draft night. And that is you and you deserve it. You done a great job raising that young, man. And we thank you so much for taking some time for us today. Thank you. I got a chance to talk with his mom is one thing. That's always special. I'll tell you. What else is great? When you get a chance to talk to the high school coach of these players, but let's take that to the next level. Because not only are we going to talk to the highschool coach for Dexter Lawrence. It's a man plucky node. Speaking does a little bit pretty well considering his father Blake Brooks. All right DJ is not often that I get a chance to call the house to talk about a prospect that we're gonna talk about on the three sixty series. However, my dad blade Brooks coach at Wake Forest high school had an opportunity to coach to Lawrence. So we're gonna bring them in and pops look this is your debut. We'll give you an opportunity to talk about decks. And I want to go all the way back to the first time that you saw Dexter walk through the halls of the school. What did you think about when you met Dexter? Well, the first time I saw Dixon villa was. Parent night in the main gym where we invite all the parents with their kids to sell out program to promote football program and when Dexter walked into the door. I said excuse me five offended about it. Blessed be the neighbor. Great. He was the biggest fourteen year old. I have ever think mass. How? And I might have emerged drink too. Over to him to make sure that offense ally, cotillion, I. That's not. You went straight to praise music. Dexter. That's fantastic. Well, the blessed drop program, really. Dead. So you told me a lot about Dexter being fourteen. But he wasn't really a football. Only guy. You talked about having to lure him away from basketball. What kind of athlete was Dexter as a young player? Decks, I had a lot of -bility a lot of jealousy and his foot were was fantastic. The thing that basketball helped him more than anything else that we just footwork, but he was fantastic basketball player. And there was a tow between playing football with us and playing AU basketball one time, he got bored with because we had him on the JV at first because we just want him to you know, where it is beat and he quit. Will he stayed home? A couple of times because he thought football was bored. So immediately region I win it got. And we bought them up the varsity because he was so dominant that no one could block it mo- JV, and we found out he was so dominant. They couldn't Voss. True story. Coach was he there at the same time as Bryce love where they were they teammates. Yeah. Bryce love. Did you have still Dexter? A don't don't hurt Bryce. Did. You have to tell him at some point in time. Hey, we need Bryce we need Bryce to be healthy Dexter practice. You gotta take it easy on Bryce will what we did. We. Are we emphasize the decks not the touch rice or the quarterback? So we didn't allow him to tackle. In about on offense, really? He was Dan goods that dog. Okay. So so so dad there there's been a lot of fascination about what Dick's could be at the next level. Clemson used him as a nose tackle primarily. Do you think he is just a nose tackle? Do you think he has the ability to do more than just be a guy that plays right over top of the center? He has a -bility to play anywhere on the defensive line. Mostly we lied to move it three they take knee. And then we will move from around dependent on the blocking scheme, but the offense we'll plan against our opponent. That's a complete anywhere on the defensive line. We even line them up on office line a couple of times during doing playoff game. Just a change of pace the play big boy football power football coach. I would imagine you had a parade of college coaches role on through there during during recruiting. What was it like during that process? I would imagine just constantly. You must have had head coaches rolling through your school. It was it was different because we never had to play of death to caliber. So he was special and a lot of a lot of head coaches came through. And he just kept a lot of things on the download. So they wouldn't be he wouldn't get distracted. And we help them through that process. But yes, when they found out about him, it was it was unbelievable. Unbelievable. And he proved Tuban urban saying that they saw in him. In fact, Clinton kind of just wanna him at the end to be a nose tackle. And but Dixon, really hasn't shown Bill to in my opinion. Because when he lives up at three techniques, he is a terrible. He wants to be great. He wants to be dominant and years he dominated every opponent that we play even though we lost a championship game with him. Dominant performances and you made everybody around him. Oh, you dad and thinking about some of the adversity or any adversity hit been anything that you can think of where you've seen Dexter have to overcome an obstacle. They versity that will make him better prepared to play and be successful in the pros. Well, I hadn't been around him much since he's been at Clemson. But. I would think do versity that I've seen that we know about it. We got her to Clemson. And it took a while for him to get back because that's the first time you've been hurt before. But he did overcoming. And that shows how hard he worked how hard he believes in his ability. So and at one point we used to talk all the time about promos aids and debts wanted to be and wanted to be empty. I agent. So I told them he'd be the biggest FBI. Well, he would. He was gonna be about. Coach last question from me. What do we have to do to get a Wake Forest high school Granada hills school never cross country? A father versus son Brooks versus Brooks. Maybe you guys can meet and Texas and we can play that game. There. We got to make this happen. Coach. BJ? I have been married forty nine years. I would not play my son against my son. Coming this house wife. I'll move over the Granada and a coach for him. He will be talk. Okay. Okay. I'll take that. Puffs? Thanks for thanks for coming on the move. The sticks podcast you're inside on deck series. Great. Thank you very much. Let me got. One thing that I do know is me and my dad adores Dexter, Dexter has really left a strong impression on him. Not only in terms of like the kind of players that he coaches in the standard eighty said on the field, but just how he was in the classroom and with others in the community. And so when we think about Dexter in his impact man, how about Clinton Farrell an impact that he has made. And so we want to kind of check in with a couple of people that norm. Really will we've talked to his older brother Sigmund feral and his high school coach Gregg lily. Sigma first question from me. Why don't you tell us a little bit about your family, the the number of siblings there for your brother? And and what it was like growing up in your household. Actual number seven is in total is nine cleaning the youngest of all of them. And he's the youngest son and grew up in a house. So it was pretty much family was pretty much on. My dad was military. I was military. My brother buying was military. My brother cleaves after he's a originally police officer. So and his mom is military. So we had the military burn growing up and had a lot of respect for the military. So that's pretty much. We kind of shows Cleveland's affection for the military. He went to Benedict team, which is the military prep school as well. So we kind of grew up having respect for the military, and and just type family. My dad always believe in looking out for each other. And and being titan and taking care of family. I I want to go back to his beginning. There isn't athlete because I understand his his early athletes ISM was displayed not on a football field. But soccer field. That's right. For sure lot of people don't know about Cleveland is actual first team sport was soccer and me and his brothers. We played basketball ran track and tennis play tennis. But my dad wanted him to have his own identity. Do something different. And it was soccer. And he was a great soccer player that young age. But it got to the point with me. And my brothers wanted him to play football. I had sons that play football. So we wanted to get him on the football field and do something different. My his mom and my dad were reluctant at worried about him getting hurt, you know, and we kinda urged them Cup pressure in them, and they finally relented get my opportunity and once he got out there. He his first game. I actually remember he was getting double team pushed to the ground and his spare little broken, and he had tears in his eyes. And I remember my father and my brother Byron I put them to the sideline. And we told him asked him what was going on. Why you tears, and you say keep pushing me to grant a double team, and we told them nobody double team because they see that you are threat. The great so use that you have just got bigger don't mean they're stronger and he went back out on that field, and he dominated the rest of that game. And that's when I knew I said, my brother right there. He he has the heart, and that's what it took. So I knew from that point on from college to high school. He was getting double team because his talent level and people fear them. And and he realized it wasn't the fact that he can make every play but given opportunities for other people to make lace. What was it like have you got a chance to be around him in the team or during his his college career? Did you notice did you pick up on the bond between this group of defensive linemen? We see all these guys entering the NFL at one time here. It's a pretty unique story. Well, you know, what it wasn't? It wasn't anything shocking to me. That's how we were raised as brothers who were knit. We look out for each other and to see him transcend Ed upon his teammates and stuff. I wasn't shocked at all he love those guys. Like like, he said there'd be at his when you'd be there. And and I think I would give props to dab. He the culture that he brought as far as family and them guys they play for each other. Pistol now in book look at he gets buried by Cleland furrow. Well, he's he is such a fun player to watch. If you were going to describe them. I'm gonna ask you to you know, we we have a scouting background here. So I'm gonna ask you is big brother here to put your scouting hat on a little bit. And tell me what what's what's to make him hidden great at the next level. He's dominant at the college level. What's gonna what's going to carry him for to making great the NFL level? It's mentality. His his his attitude. He's very humble, and he realizes at each level you start over and being addicting. I mean, he was great. But he had to earn that. And then getting to Clemson he he had to earn that. So nothing is given to him. He always earned everything you had works hard. And he plays what his team and he wants to learn and he doesn't want to let anybody down. So he's eager to get out there. I tell people he's very humble if you comes to my home, he'll sit here, and you wouldn't think he even played football. But when he put that uniform on he turns into a totally different person. He turns into a beaks, and that's just type president is he cares for everybody. And I think that that's what he's going to transcend on that locker room. I cannot wait to to watch him compete at the next level. One of my favorite players to watch in this draft class, and you learn a little bit more about these players you find out where they've how they've gotten to where. They are it sounds like you have just an amazing family. Thank your entire family for their service, by the way. It's it's an honor to speak with you. But thank you for taking the time to speak with me. I really appreciate it. Hi, buck excited to be joined by Greg Williams. Head coach at Benedictine prep there in Richmond Virginia had a chance to coach one of the talented members of this Clemson defensive line coach first of all thank you so much for taking some time for us today. And first question for me, tell me the first time you you got to see Cleveland feral, and what your impression was. I met Cleveland when he was an eighth grader he was at a middle school, and he was coming into the interview to through the admissions process to hopefully be accepted to Benedict him. And quite honestly, I remember meeting his mom more than I remember being Cleveland because his mom's very impressive lady. And and I she she was the one that brought him in. And she was in a former staff NCO in the in the army. So we got a connection through our military service. But you know, Cleveland was just a tall. Gangly awkward kind of dorky kid is an eighth grader. Thinking about him being told and gangly as an eighth grader described. The first time that you had a chance to watch him move around being in football or doing another sport. We're just watching move around a little bit when he was playing basketball eighth grader. But then also as you got into the weight room with us that summer and with his length, you did of say man, this kid's got a lot of potential, but quite honestly, the resulting in that class that would come in. And we probably thought we're going to be a little better football players. Shows you what we knew back that. So coach for those that don't know you mentioned, you touched on your military background Cleveland comes from very heavy military family, but Benedict and as a school, it's not just a traditional high school. Can you kind of explain the the environment there? We're an all boys Catholic military ace school. So we're in one of two or three in the country that are sort of set up this way, and it is a very unique format in the fact that we're all boys it allows these guys to be able to come here be themselves. Come into Vella personality, not being afraid to to sort of dream big. And you'll see Cleveland right that sometimes on his his arm band when he was planning. Clemson. We give guys the opportunity to come in here and not been frayed to fail because the social settings is really pretty easy. It's about two hundred and fifty fourteen to eighteen year old guys that become like brothers and has a military school. Honestly, it gives us a little bit of routine a little bit structure, but I was in the marines were not special forces here, it just gives us an added sense of discipline throughout the day, and and routine, and I think the guys like that structure more than anything else. It creates a little, and I think that's the thing that. Probably. Cleland remembers the most about this place is the brotherhood. I think what you know, Mr. admitted barrel were looking for was probably a little bit of that structure and routine and felt like Cleveland probably needed that thrown his high school years. Thinking about that discipline in structure because you've been around Cleveland for so long. How is he intrinsically motivated? How does he keep himself focused on dreaming bigger? Having higher aspirations without others. Kind of fueling those dreams and aspirations. I think he comes from a great family. I think he comes from a family that it's just natural for them to serve their community to serve the country to serve God. I remember visiting Cleveland and Clemson a year or two ago and his goal on their team list was to serve from those. The only two words he wrote out was to serve, and I think he learned that from his parents, I hope we were an extension of that during high school years, and I know the coaches the community the players is fellow defense alignment, Clemson. I know those guys have been a great impact on him and continued that philosophy of helping others. And I think that's been a big thing. You know, just been put into him by his family and still spent mice family. Goes we saw him at the collegiate level on the biggest stages in the in the lights were the brightest. He was at his best. You can go back and look at the Alabama game last year playing for national championship against an elite opponent, and he took his game even higher to a new level. Is there an example of him at the high school level, maybe against one of your better opponents rivalry or a moment where you saw him kind of embrace that spotlight and the challenge. His first game as a sophomore. He ended up we had played JV freshman that tells you how smart we are. And we played in one gate is first game is a software. He has three sacks and probably five tackles for a loss. So we sat there and said, I think I think we got so many pretty special here. His junior year. We're we're planning good conference. And there was a couple teams that we play that had some guys that were never d one guys, and he really stepped up in those games games against fourteen in case against liberty Christian came against woodberry forest, and it was it was good to see that. But the thing with him. I think more than anything is his day to day to approach to things his willingness to get better as willingness to be coached. I think that's Wisconsin apart from a lot of our guys, you know, our players here. But I also think is in college me wasn't the quote unquote, five star guy coming out. He was a high highly rated recruit, but he wasn't a top ten guy. And I don't think he's been one of those guys put a chip on the shoulder. I just think he gets up every day and wants to go to work. You don't go in thinking about guys that that want to go the work. He's had overcome a little bit versity in his life. Can you talk about some of the obstacles he's had to overcome to make his way to being on the verge of being a top NFL draft pick. But he he blew out going into his senior year at the we had played we'd played a one scrimmage, and quite honestly have probably take him out about twenty plays into it. Because we couldn't get a look at anybody else on fest. He's making every time. So we got him into the second scrimmage, and again guys can't get even get their hands on him. But he's chasing a quarterback down and doesn't get hit. And just pops as me blows his Neil. And so he tours ACL, and I'll never forget it. He was sitting in this office with me and with coach York, and we told him that you had torn ratio you're going to be out. You're seeing new year. And this is when you can kinda tell he was growing up a little bit, and you can see unselfishness he started crying, and my response to of course, was clearly you're going to be fine. Clemson still watch you. And you've got a great future ahead of you year to get bigger stronger faster. And he said got actually got emotional and got upset with me and said coach out care about any of that. I just. Wanted to play with my classmates. I wanted to play with my teammates. I wanted to win a state championship in my senior year for my school. And and that's what it was kind of like guys this guy really hit this guy understands football. This guy understands the meaning of being teammate and being unselfish and committing to others. And and I will tell you that was just an injury. The biggest adversity that Cleveland said to deal with his father died when he was in ninth grade here have been and I'll never forget, it is father came in with with two brothers and. Came in sat down with myself from one of our military instructors and said now, I'm I am got cancer. Again. This is the second time I've gotten it. I may not be around here for long, and you know, when I go I just need you to make sure that you push my son is much as as you possibly can that he's got a chance to be great. And we just wanted to work as hard as possibly can to achieve all of his potential, and I don't think his dad was talking about the NFL or the NBA. I just think he wanted him to be a great, man. And that was I I can't remember now I've been doing this fifteen years. I guess the only time that's happened. And it was a little humbling, obviously that we were in that position to hopefully, mold this this young man at form this young, man. It was also something I very much look forward to. But the nice thing is we're in a place here to where. There. You know, when we go to the desk fear about eight eight eight weeks later, two months later, you know, his whole JV all of his teammates were there. And and you can tell Cleveland sad. But I'll never forget the smile on his face at his father's funeral when he saw Ramon Jones, Emily campbellton in all of his teammates and his classmates from school. And that's when you just do he was a good kid. He was a kid who trusted his friends who trusted his classmates and loved being a part of the school loved being a part of the team a loved being part of a family, and it was willing to take their support and their love at work through them process. Coach you've you've given us some great insight here on your former player and last question for me. And I'll let you run again. Thank you for your time. But when you when you learn everything we've learned about a Cleland from from family members from coaches from teammates at Clemson from coaches at Clemson, I don't know coach, I we've been doing this Bucky myself and scouting for a long time scouting in the NFL. And and when you part painting a picture of a person like this not just a player, but the person I just find it hard to believe that Cleland's going to be anything. But I mean anything other than successful. I mean, he is I don't want. I hate the word can't miss it. It's it's always bad, bad luck to say that. But in your opinion, I mean, there's this kid carry any risk at all. Because I sure don't sit. From a character standpoint me you guys can do the evaluation and all those pro scouts and pros cope pro coaches to the evaluation scheduled enough to play. I know this. He's a guy. I want to be around all the time. This family are people. I want to be around all the time. He's a high character guy. If you know, if if I'm, you know, figuring out a group of guys that I wanna be around that I want competition with Cleveland's one of the first guys I want my team. And you know, I I don't know if that means he's he's good enough to have you know, to be an all pro or good enough to to have a long-term for the NFL. I know he'll be successful in whatever he does. Because he's just a high character young, man. Coach where he certainly learned a lot about character working under your tutelage. Thanks so much for joining the mood is sticks podcast. We really appreciate your contributions to the pocket. I thank you guys for having me. I appreciate it. Hey, buck. It's it continues to check all the boxes for me on feral. I mean when you talk to people that know him at the school. And now you get a chance to dig a little bit deeper into his background. You can tell military background. It's shows to everything that you see and hear about him tough discipline reliable. Dependable all those words continually come up, and when you get a chance to dig in his background. It starts all makes sense. It does make sense. I mean, you're talking about with these these guys I think the thing that stands out talk about great ape people guys who are terrific people. Great in the community. Great with the people that really have impacted them. They love positives impressions. And then when you see the tape is easy to fall in love with them failed as a guy that is easy to root for I love all the positivity about a story. And I think he's going to continue to do great things when he gets into the league. One of the people we really looking forward to to chatting with as we're doing this three sixty series focusing on these Clemson defensive lineman. I don't know there's a better one to talk to Tom Lou Bill who is ESPN recruiting lead analysts there. He's also doing these college football games each and every week at ESPN. He's been doing a long time easy. Very sharp football mind. Played the quarterback position son of a coach. I mean, he's sharp as it gets. And who would better know these kids from Clemson, not only what they did at the collegiate level, but circling all all the way back to their highschool days. Tom first of all I want to focus on these these Clemson kids these defensive linemen and go back to high school. I know obviously, Dexter Lawrence following recruiting loosely. I mean, even I was aware of who he was and how highly coveted he was what was he like high school player wall? I would make the argument in that particular class which featured Nick Bosa Ed Oliver featured Christian Wilkins a slew of defensive lineman. You could make an argument that he was the most talented of them pound for pound. But he didn't play that way each and every play is production was down because he didn't have the motor of an Oliver or a Nick Bosa. But when he turned it on he was as good as anybody in the class. And I you know, I've watched him Volve now at Clemson. And I think he's an undervalued mass Russia or pocket collapse will because of their substitution of what they did it. Pull them off the field on obvious. Passing down. So you didn't really see what he's capable of as a pass rusher. And I think it's much more than he gets credit for. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean early what his freshman running at seven sacks. And then they kind of went to the race car package. And he's out when they're in sub. But even as a pocket pusher. You've been around football a long time when you've got ED's rushers. It's nice when you take away that escape hatch. When you've got somebody that can the pocket in the middle. Yeah. You know, he's built like a to gaffer, but he runs like a one gaffer. He's got that initial first step burst that you see out geyser dramatically smaller than he is. So you know, you kind of look at it and say well could he play at the one? Yeah, he could because he can anchor the point of attack. Can you play the three technique yangs problems? We quick enough to do it. I think again, it's it's about developing that consistent motor. So you get the consistent production playing in play out with Texas. How about his teammate there in Christian Wilkins from come out of the northeast correct there? What was his was the high on him and the buzz on him as a prospect is high school? So, you know, I'm not sure if you're familiar, but we put together the Under Armour all America. Absolutely and compile the rosters. And so the level of high school football, you know, natural please not going to be what it is in the state of Georgia or Texas or California or Florida. And so we place a lot of stock on number one. Does he dominate the competition? He was planning that answer was an unequivocal. Yes. Then when we got him involved in the Under Armour all America game, and you see him throughout the week, which you glean so much more than just the game. It's just like the senior bowl for the same reasons. He was a dominant force it to possessions on the edge. And then, of course, defensive tackle. And if you if you fast forward to his freshman year any kind of played on the inside he played in the kicking game. And he was a productive contributor on a lot of areas. But when they had some injuries in they had to move some guys around his software you played almost exclusively in the defensive end spot. So I think his his versatility his passion for the game. This is one of those guys these. Ejei that loves the game of football. And I I don't think you can ever undervalue that. And I think it shows in his play. He's somebody that just talking to buddies that have gone in there on school visits and talking to people that I know around that program. I mean football character is that term that just keeps coming back to me. And it is it is off the charts with this kid always a smile on his face was the game loves the weight room rallies the troops. I mean, he checks all the boxes that you can't coach. And I think that maybe what he lacks in, you know, Ed, Oliver type athleticism. He's gonna make up for and some of those areas that are not only gonna make the team better. But they're gonna make your locker room special. Absolutely. We'll from one kid who's highly thought of in that department to another one clue them feral is another one who, you know. Just get going reports about him. Not always is a player, you can see that. But but as a kid about him in high school, I I don't remember what his what his situation was. I know he was hurtling towards ACL his senior year. So was he was he really did the radar for everybody. He was throughout the entire process. In fact, he didn't get to play in the Under Armour all American game because he tore his cell. He was one of those kids that you loved because you saw high ceiling for development. He wasn't a big bulky kid. He had length. He was all you looked at you said, oh, man, we can get this kid in the weight room than we can get him developed a we can bring him along at a reasonable pace. And that's exactly what they did. Now, in my opinion. There's one thing that he's probably always lacked in that's elite flexibility in bend. But he compensates with fantastic production. He uses his hands. He's got better functional strength than people think that he does. And I think he's got an array of moves where he can counter. So there's there's a lot of football acumen in nuance to him in my opinion because he's just a good football player. You know, sometime you're trying to put your finger on what it is. It makes it special sometimes you just back away and say, it's just a good player. He just. Makes plays. And when the lights were bright, look just look at what he did against Alabama and the to Craxi go. Yeah. And Joan Williams we now the kind of the forgotten man in this Clemson front is Austin Bryant who is a really good football player. And fortunately, just gets overshadowed by the rest of the group there. He does I kind of liken it to Albert Huggins. All the hullabaloo about Dexter Lawrence. Not being able to play in the college football playoff. Did anybody notice? I mean they today. Just fine. They were fine. It's just I think that's what makes us Clemson groups. So good is you can have a great player. Get overshadowed for two reasons. Number one other great players around him. But because of those great flares. Maybe he doesn't get the number of snaps that he would have gotten had he gone maybe somewhere else on the conference or another program outside of the conference. Yeah. Buckets. It was it was pleasure to talk to Tom. He he's dialed in on these kids. He's dialed in on a very young age. I'm sure you're crawl your paths cross with Tom all the time doing all the work. You do on the high school level. Tom was always at the events. He was always at the opening finals. So he does know these guys he knows him. Well, he is a top recruiting analysts and his perspective and insight really helps us have even greater perspective on what these guys were where they came from where they're going and how they could impact the league as Bros. We'll look the guy who has had maybe the biggest impact on these four players has been their head coach, Dabo Swinney. Listen, he's worse. Coach everyone is really excited about your defensive line. So many guys that have the opportunity to go from Christian Wilkins to Dexter Lawrence and others. What makes a group so special their commitment? I mean, they're not they're talented, but their commitment in work ethic. You know, you take great talent, plus great work ethic and character, you get a superstar. And that's what they are. I mean, they're special human beings that just happened to be great football players. They work at it. I mean, they they technically you know, grind they mentally grind. They physically grind and good. Lord. Gave him a ton of talent to go with it. Got chances to catch up coach Sweeney keys, man, he is he's quickly emerged on the mount Rushmore of college head coaches here over less over years. Nothing short of what Alabama is done. I would say that. Nobody's doing what Clemson has been able to do and they've been able to dethrone the crimson tide on two occasions. So it's it's a special group that he is built their special program. And it's great to get his insight on these kids unit is greed to get his insight on the kids. I mean to a man these kids have have really been positive and complimentary of Daboh in his impact on them. And so. Devo deserves all the kudos that he gets finale Bill and a great program, but really making sure that you develop players to right way. No-doubt great here from the coach referred for a lot of people in the past that that no these kids. Well, let's hear from these players themselves. Let's start here with the defensive ends. Let's hear from Cleveland feral and Austin Bryant. You guys are part of a powerhouse. Now. I guess Clemson is the powerhouse in college football based on to success. Did you guys at doing your careers? Cleland talk a little bit about the Clemson experience. I feel I Clemson is where there's where a college recruiting needs to be not where they so much want to be, you know, you're going to have a great time. But if you wanna go somewhere where growth is going to be the biggest thing, and you want to grow as a player man and be talents and held accountable and also habits has to win championships. Like everybody wants to do. I feel like Clemson is top from top to bottom the best school for man for Austin wise, Clemson such a special place right now. Yeah. Does echo in a lot of what Cleveland said, man. I went to Clemson indefinitely became a man, I grew more so off the field. And I did on the field. Clemson is definitely a place for kids that you know, how to write traits to be a great human being to be a great person in life, and to be honest Simpson nurtures and makes it even better. So the person that I was when I first walked on campus and the person that I was when I walked out. To totally different people more mature and just became a complete man. You're one of the things that Clemson has always been able to attract has been defensive lineman. There's a long story tradition of guys that play up front. Not only having success in Cosby going onto the league. What is it about the tradition and upholding that standard that has been created by your predecessors, man? You know, I feel like it goes back to win Mia Hamm were freshmen in shack and Kevin die where you know, the two the two guys I was up next. They had a great season. And it's like, you know, when you the next person or the next group of guys supposed to step in and uphold legacy enough. Hold standard that we have on at Clemson is like, it only takes a work ethic mindset, and it really excites you get your opportunity to do do those things. So it's a blessing to go to a school where you come from a great, you know, football DNA DNA, but you really have to push put the work in a really become the pleasure when it being opposed. Austin? Why is it that the D line continues to be so dominant de LA is a great position at Clemson. And his definitely position at likely said has been great there. They have done everything that we wanna do in the future. And I think for us when we were young guys like you said we seeing shack we've seen Kevin Dodoo it. So for us. We didn't wanna let anybody down. So that religious fuel her hall. We were gonna determination we had to be great as a whole and eventually grew into a leadership role and bringing the young guys along too. So I think that's what makes it so special is that the older guys it's their time. They pull the younger guys along. So when they finally airtime, you know, that cycle just keeps going. I mean, obviously, you guys we can talk about the guys before you put at the current moment. Like, you guys had four guys that are gonna have an opportunity to play in the National Football League, Cleveland, what was the competition like in that defensive linemen man, it only made us better. But I feel like the best thing about it. And things that a lot of people don't really take value. When his that we were closed before we stepped on the field together. So that was something that really really made us better than we. We wanted for each other. We want for ourselves, man. We could push each other limits that I couldn't really explain to you know, what I made some it was a blessing to play with these guys. Like you said we had to FIFA plays. I did because I got him and Christian decks really out there ball and doing their thing. So I'm trying to fight for, you know, just to have my own type impact on against it was used man and said come from great tradition. I'm happy that we kind of set our own legacy. And I feel like we the best route ever do at Clemson or in the history of college football. So is a blessing. Yeah. Definitely, man. And I feel I was says us apart is we're just as great people as we are players. And I think that's a combination that you don't find very often that whatever program you go to all alone the defense salon and took correction. We've got five de Llamas about to get drive it so album Huggins to but as a testament to the people that coast he brings into the program that religious keeps us Eichel going great athletes as well. You know, coach Winnie, you know, people really talk about like coaching and kind of making his way to the top. But what are you from? You guys is how he's really nice leader of men in how he really nurtures the program. Cleveland talk about coach Sweeney, man, I love I love the culture that he brought to Clemson, man. His like you said, he's a leader of men. So his whole program is player lead. So he puts it in our hands to to to to take the program as far as we wanna go, not many coaches, do that mini coaches want to, you know, be on top of every single thing. Get forced the players to to be great. But he really just challenges us to do those things on our own. And that's what I feel I made us grow. So well, just as far as people men in players man because he really puts it in the players hands. Like, we had this thing called a Sweeney council where he acts as far opinions not just about how we're playing. But about how to program is being ran. How's the food has the treatment going how how coaches treat and different things like that? And that's something where he values are paying, you know, as men and spiritually as well. He he opens a door for us to grow there as well. So it's a blessing to have a man like that, you know, represent our school for sure Austin, what impact has Deb. Oh had on you. I think the biggest thing that coasts Sweeney, a figured out is that you know, that the most important resource in college football is the people that make it happen. And that's the players like Lewellen say we're player driven program. So he gives us as much opinion, you know, as we can give tomato program better to make it better for those coming behind us. And like I said Br bringing in the right people in the program. Gonna permeate the correct culture that you need to not only just be a powerhouse football team. But also have that family environment where players want to come near. They sent something different whenever they Clemson rather than any other school in the country women, we're excited to continue to see you guys taking the next step on your football journey excited. Here all your names on draft night excited to see what you guys are able to do NFL players and beyond. Thanks so much for joining the move the sticks podcast. Thank you so much. All right buck where we've heard outside. Right. We got a chance to listen to your conversations with the defensive ends in this Clemson front. Let's move inside. You had a chance at the NFL scouting combine to catch up with Christian Wilkins index or Lawrence and here are those conversations. You guys are coming from a very successful program having been to couple of national titles. One claim claims trophies Christian house did experience at Clinton prepared you to have success at the next level. While felt like, you know, we'll just I on foremost, just you know, the way Clemson hope grimace as men, first and foremost and just as people for like, that's the most important thing. Definitely. And you know. Yeah. It was, you know, program the coaches and guys and everybody involved and the people who are just around the facility, but the players really I thought we each other a lot off the field to be the best people. We can be first and then the best athletes as well. And I just feel like all the lessons. I learned just you know, going against the best every day in practice. You know, I feel like no matter like anything I ever saw in a game in college never better than what I saw in practice on definitely for like unprepared on the football side of things, you know, decided just decided to see why ended up and just not how this process will play on. I think I'm definitely ready for the next level Dexter. How about you? I mean, just a pig about what he said, I mean going to Clemson. And I mean, that's kind of things you expect to happen. You know to grow as a man as a football player, and you know, just having that kind of support around you just to help you to guide you, isn't it? They not holding your hand. But you know, they just give you a vice here, and there, you know, joining examples of what not to do or like, you know, Sweeney out sting was like be these up, in example, kinda do. So I mean, that's kind of how you're supposed life in kind of live. So there's visit tradition there, obviously in the D line room. You guys not only discourage collection. But they've been a lot of guys that have kind of warned the orange and going on to have success in the National Football League Christian. What does it like to live up to the tradition of the defensive line that has been establish? I mean is great. And you know, the pri- like didn't know that others pressure at Clemson, you know, especially when you're on the D line. You got to, you know, not only live up to the expectations, but exceed them for like, you know, because of the gods before it's all of our predecessors, Grady too shy away of Josh Watson, you know, Carlos DJ. Those guys big Beasley, you know, day Kwame bottles. We put so much pressure on ourselves as men in that room. You know, just coming there like we got to play to to the standard of Clugston, de Lyon. But also take it to another level. You know, I feel like we did that as a unit and as a group, and that would just our hope is that the next guy's group of guys see what we did in only, you know, even keep Clemson program going in the D line. So it it it's it's funny because you have a unique situation with so many guys in that room. They have an opportunity to be the first one or the second one off the board Dexter. How does the internal competition between you and your fellow teammates defensive line play out in practice? I petition we push each other every day. You know impact issue we trying to set the tone. We trying to be the guy you know, to make difference play to get to team road. You know, you know, just just blessed to be a space like, you know, these guys just, you know, pushing you to be your best, you know, going. I mean, I I want to say other places. But there we we we had to be best every day. You know, you couldn't take a player. Off you couldn't take you know, could have that was critical. You know, you wanted to prove that, you know, you at a man kind of deal, but at the same time, we used a junior level each other. I I definitely agree. I feel like you know, it was great. Because this the relationship we have first of all like, we weren't afraid to hold each other counter boy and get after each other, and you know, beyond its other when we need to ball. So we just compete it. You know, just because it's like dang decks is taking on W. Splitting it make an attack on my Dev. Okay. Now, I gotta do some now. I gotta make it work coming off the fastest go now. Awesome. Like all right now. I gotta get my shine. Like now, I gotta do my thing. Like, you know, you like, you know, you don't want to be that new left our not doing their job. So like, you know, there's always that pressure is always that good competition. And it's the best because you know, about it the best in all of us for sure. So you guys have one of the best environments to play a home game and everyone talks about valley. You know, you had your district where you rubbed the rock. And then you come down the hill. So I just wanted to kind of take you back to that stadium. I want you to just come to picture this. You come around the bus take you round. You bought it come down the hill with you look down the hill. And there's someone at the bottom of the hill waving you down this. This down here and get his tail kicking. How'd you feel about that? Because as a young, man. Yeah. I'm might have been one of those guys. It may have done right. Right. Right. No, the teams mostly tend to teams and people who've done that got up getting there. But. Every time, you know. So. No one ever did that they knew better. We didn't lose too many home. We'll have one home game. When I was there. So I mean, you you if you don't want that problem, I can say that I learned my lesson. Waving down to here when I was in North Carolina. It it. It was a lot to it was a lot. Little just lost the Wake Forest, so we feel like they're ready now, we'll say Brian Dhaka's played the next year Brian index, and they came to chat we took care of business like we should have. But isn't one of those things just wanted if you if you? If you see someone you down, right? So look thanks so much for you guys. Joining the Mussa's podcasts best to look going forward. We're looking forward to hearing your names called on draft. I got a chance to to hear from the folks that no one we got a chance to hear from the players themselves. Now as we look forward, we've talked about what we believe these guys can be at the next level. But if we're trying to find kind of a range landing spot. Oh, where these guys end up. I would say starting off. I think there's a really good chance. The first pick will probably come down between Christian Wilkins and Cleland furrow. It'd be my guess those one of those two will be the first off the board. I would say followed by Dexter Lawrence followed by Austin Bryant with the first three going in the first round of my opinion. Austin Bryant, probably in that second third round range where were you out on these guys know, I'm with you? I think three guys that you mentioned first round possibilities Wilkins, Lawrence and feral. I think those guys will come off in the first round. I think if we had to go a particular order, I think Wilkins is going to be the first one to hear his name. Call followed by feral, and it Dexter Lawrence is right on that line being a first round or second round talent for those two guys. I think they come. I'm in. I think they're all day. One star doesn't have an opportunity to impact their team immediately. Bryant to me is the one that is kind of windows hidden gyms a guy that maybe it's taken in the second or third round. But he is being a surprise started by the middle of the year. And he gives you good contributions as a guy that is into rotation note. I look at a team like the Chicago Bears. They don't have a pick two third round buck. But if for some reason, a guy like awesome Bryant, would it be there, man. You throw him in there. Let him grow and develop learn from somebody like Khalil Mack. I think that'd be an ideal spot for someone like him ideal spot. You talk about someone that plays horrid. It has a knack for not only get to the past. But it start against a run those guys play in the league they play for a long time may not be a level player in the league. But you certainly can be a be level contributed and what they contribute for very long time. All right. Well, that's going to wrap up this edition of the three sixty series. This is on the Clemson defensive line. We have almost made it to the end of the road of our three sixty series. We have done Dwayne Haskins. We have done Nick boasts that we've done Daniel Jones. Now, you've heard the Clemson defensive line episode Kylo Murray yet the comeback. That's the grand finale force here. I didn't miss any. Did. I think that's all we see this all that. I think there's been an exciting time to keep out. Background information. Perspective all these telling together. So yeah, we call it Murree own deck, then when should be a phone. Well, if you haven't caught any of the other previous three sixty episodes, you can find those go on apple podcasts, you can find it on NFL dot com slash podcast. That's where you can find the move the sticks by guests, and you can catch up with us there. We've got all your graph names covered. We are going to be powering through to get to Nashville. And once we come out of Nashville, we'll have all the reactions everything you need to know about this year's draft. You can find it there and remember all of our video content. NFL dot com slash NPS video YouTube dot com slash NFL. We've got you covered. Thanks for listen here to move the sticks the three sixty series, featuring the Clemson defensive line. He's buggy Brooks. I'm Daniel, Jeremiah. She next time.

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Hour 1: 7/19/19

The Paul Finebaum Show

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Hour 1: 7/19/19

"The Paul Finebaum show podcast is presented by the capital one venture card when you are unlimited double miles on every purchase your next trip is closer than you think. What's in your wallet? The cried passion then pageantry of college football leaves here the Paul Finebaum show our one podcast well. We made it at a hoover alive. I did at least welcome to the program. Glad you're here on a Friday Friday afternoon and we're glad <hes> that <hes> you enjoy the coverage of the S._e._C. Media Days it was <hes> certainly interesting to say the least <hes> we got a lot to do today. <hes> we are going to cover some of the stories we've already dealt with <hes> including <hes> this the Alabama clemson back and forth which seems to be getting a lot more attention on the Clemson side than the Alabama. I think peace will hurt pretty well spoke for Alabama people yesterday and saying we're really not the least bit concerned that has energized the folks at Clemson anyway. Just if goodman will join us a male dot com he had some harsh words about Nick Sabin at Asha F- at Ash later on in Christine Brennan from U._S._A.. Today a little bit off the beaten path but it <hes> she <hes> she did she did a piece today in the sports section of U._S._A.. Today About <hes> Tomorrow's Fiftieth Anniversary of the moon landing in walk and it was it was just so so fascinating fascinating that we wanted to reflect back on Dany grams <hes> in the co-pilot see today DB what's up what's up Paul. What's up find more? We're <hes> yeah I obviously we're not hearing Danny but we'll figure it out. Okay okay well. We are hearing good to be here. I just survived media days yeah. It was <hes> we we we. We got the <hes> the vote of the of the Vox Populi Day <hes> or I shouldn't say that that's actually not accurate. It's the the writers writers broadcasters and to the surprise of new one Alabama Georgia have been picked <hes> no real big surprises <hes> Dany. <hes> Auburn was picked fourth in the S._E._C. East. You don't kind of raise your eyebrow. Maybe just a hair yeah it did but <HES> A._M.. Third <hes> obviously L._S._U.. Second <hes> the one that got a lot of people was the placement of Kentucky in the West. Yeah no no respect place in the east. They picked by the S._E._C. Media. We've heard that from from fans <hes> and I think they were any what we'll do. Is We'll get to the calls and let you join in and participate <hes> we also will <hes> have a number of guests as I mentioned let's start with the the guy that has been the <hes> the representative of all Finebaum nation at the S._e._C. media days. He is Greg Paul. Thank you for taking my call. I'm glad you made it back safe. You you know I don't know which constituency has a bigger problem you know clemson because Alabama's renting space in their head or Jeff from Columbus 'cause I'm renting space in his head. You know you know when you were talking to me downstairs. There was a guy in a Jean shorts wearing a belt instant spenders that was jeff. Why didn't know that yeah the ask if he could come inside the circle? I said No. Oh he said why. I'm GonNa give you the same reason that <hes> o'malley gave him when he asked her out and she said you're a two-time loser he said what do you mean. She says well she can't date a guy supports a team that lost drastically to Iowa and then purdue the following season and he said what I gotTa do to get inside the gate greg and I said you gotTa go find the S._e._C. Fan Coordinator Coordinator. You would know the name Paul. His name is shaky green good stuff so he said what if I can't find him and I said well. I'll leave you with a line from sugarloaf. Don't call US Jeff. We'll call you so I think <hes> you found yesterday or throughout your stay that there wasn't really any Clemson talk amongst the football teams here but there's been a lot of an Alabama talk going on over in the A._C._C. and I'm sure you'll expand bent on that later yeah. I don't know what else I can say and I think <hes> I think it's even about Alabama more. I think it's about me Greg without me. The the bloggers and the A._C._C. literally would have nothing to do well. I heard someone got on the twitter and they they lambasted your four and my response to the poster was what was her problem because she apparently had a problem with what you said I mean we're talking about the quarterback from Clemson right. Hey Greg all always good to hear from you. Thank you thank you talk yeah. Jamie is up next Jamie great to have you on calling from Wilmington North Carolina. Yes Sir Thank you for taking my call of you Paul. You had more patients yesterday day than Joe had colleen from Charleston South Carolina. It was a brutal listening to her. I I'm here in North Carolina L._S._U.. Boy My family's Baton Rouge <hes> what I can't figure out is the last thirty years how many seasons has clips and then relevant in college football last thirty years <hes> outside of the last four they have not been okay yeah and and I don't get me wrong. I'm the S._e._C. Fan <hes> but living here it is brutal were worth thirty minutes from Myrtle Beach South Carolina and these these folks think that they see as a football yeah listen you know I have. So that far from you I live in North Carolina as well and I am not. There's no easy way to say what what you and I are talking about but even even with their national championships there. There's still a SPEC on the minds of S._e._C.. I was on. I take today or <hes> in they asked me do I think <hes> Clemson's the most is the is the program right now in the country in many ways they are because they want to the last three championships championships and they're. They're going to be number one in the country. So I try to be fair. I was asked by Max Kellerman. Do I think <hes> two is better than than trevor. I said No. I think Trevor Lawrence is better right now because because I guess I try to be objective and people have taken what I said the other day incorrectly I I was simply responding to what <hes> the Simpson Kid said and listen <hes>. That's what I do <hes> he. He opened his mouth. I you know I punched him in the mouth and and and and that's that's what's going to happen and you know but that's okay I mean I really don't care that much because <hes> I I do not need to talk about Clemson every day. <hes> to satisfy this audience they happened to be important right now because <hes> they are going to be the number one team in the country <hes> that makes them important th they are the defending national champion but this all started three weeks ago when I responded to something to a wh- to a reporter's question and I and I gave clemson credit but what I said beyond Clemson the the A._C._C. is laughable and and that's and that's really where this what this is about <hes> I saw I saw ah in the media when I arrived here. The headline at the Charlotte paper was <hes> top top recruit in Charlotte commits to where you know. We're committed to Alabama Alabama over North Carolina. I mean I and I think Brown's doing great job <hes> but if you if you're in if you're in Charlotte A._C._C. Country <hes> it's right down the street from from Clemson of course across the border but ah because Alabama is is a problem you know not only <hes> it's one thing to play for national championship but it's another thing to play it auburn into play at Baton Rouge and to play Georgian in two years and to play at Texas saying that if you go to if you go to Clemson you think you're going to get excited about playing at Wake Forest Duke at Boston College North Carolina state I mean do you. Do you know that Clemson's biggest biggest A._C._C. Game. This year is against Syracuse and that's not a true A._C._C. schools the way it's a it's a it's a it's a big East Co.. That's exactly right and before you hang up my daughters love watching you on the Saturday Mornings sportscenter headline yeah they they get crazy about it but thank you we we believed purple and gold and you know make arguments where I worked as a lot of clips in graduates and it's a great engineering in school and I make the argument that L._S._U.. Over the last thirty years has been more relevant than Clinton football and they beat. It's like beating your head against the wall. I don't think they'll be relevant in five to seven years because I don't see that Bush saying well I think I think daboh will ultimately tire of the cult and I mean he is a really cool guy in my opinion. I liked Abba a lot <hes> <hes> he he he's I don't. I don't think he's going back to Alabama. I I just I really don't i. I don't think that's realistic right now but I can't tell you what he's going to but thanks for the call great to have real appreciate appreciate your daughter's comments were up against the break back with more. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast Walker back as we could continue glad you're with us and certainly it's been a interesting week especially with with Alabama Emma in Nick Sabin and what he had to say and <hes> it's been a lot of chatter about it <hes> certainly much criticism from afar eh but we want to get <hes> some reaction from within that state <hes> <hes> columnist Joseph Goodman he writes for A._l.. Dot Com had some pretty strong words <hes> and <hes> about <hes> what Nick Sabin had to say this week. Jersey Joe is just always good to talk hockey. Hope <hes> hope you enjoyed media days as much as the rest of the world I love it. It's such a great experience every year well I am. I was particularly as I was leaving towns morning and happened open to <hes> find your column and I I was. I was interested in it because <hes> we we talked to cicely yesterday. <hes> he obviously covers Alabama in year two different view as many Alabama fans. Tell us a little bit about your assaults on what happened Wednesday and and really we're Alabama goes from here. The bottom line is Alabama has the team and the talent to win the national title this cheer and get the revenge Clemson. I just don't think they're head is in the right place right now. <hes> this is a team that would not accept the fact that Clemson was just four touchdowns better than that was the impression I got on Wednesday at Media Day <hes> to kept repeating something different than than that fact saving kept talking about something different than that fact and that was the thing that I've studied to right yeah and for those who have have not read your column. I'm sure they can still catch on l.. Dot Com the headline Alabama football needs a cold hard slap in the face and you talk about all the things we resonated with a lot of. Alabama Fan <hes> both on one side of the aisle and the other huge reaction yesterday and today don't fans really really really hated that kind of don't bands really appreciate it and that Kinda shows you where Alabama is is right now going into the sea and where do you think that is true well. I think the team like I said that has a chance to be really really special if they can. No I get. I get all that. We all know that but I mean you. You seem to think that there are you know you're talking about with saving had to say you're talking about with two ahead to say another players in I mean what didn't you like. They just weren't giving Clinton credit that they needed to get. Why should they get? Why don't you need Joe hold on Walk Media Day how they were not humble enough that's right? They got four touchdowns famous. Ben ever been beat that badly. There's a clear number one team in the country right now in Cranston Alabama but my argument back would be game ended then they gave clemson credit. They were simply being asked. I know I know the comments Nick Sabin I asked him so. I know what my intent was had nothing to do with. I didn't give to rips about Clemson. <hes> I want to know what happened <hes> in response to <hes> his line about distractions. I want to know what was is going on internally and he answered all I heard was excuse I heard Michael. Oxley was already looking forward to the Maryland job. Did he mention my clock's lease name. He was talking about well the only sitting next to him so I but I didn't hear my name mentioned. He was talking about <hes> I I. I'm interviewing you. I don't need to interview myself but I got the impression he was talking about a collection of coaches who were looking elsewhere not only Mike Laughlin which put the offense assigned for a second everyone saw how badly those Alabama defensive backs thanks were beaten by Clemson receivers and the quarterback who is in charge of the defensive backs Alabama. It is nick saving every year. That was a better team last year. They're a better team this year and Alabama's accept that fact if they want beat that teams the end of the season and everyone else that this this this whole season the way the College Football playoff is set up now. There's only a handful of teams who can even make it that far. Alabama clemson are to those teams but we we are so far apart right now between Clemson and Alabama Clemson Florida had far ahead really. I want to hear more about this. What did you say the quarterback which quarterback he's two times better than to is right now? Trevor Lawrence as good as to is Trevor Lawrence is twice as good as they've lost twenty two assistant coaches in the same time that Clinton has lost two and replace all assistance again. Joe Is Alabama won anything during this period yeah they've been fine. That's great. They're not nearly as good as Clinton. Though at this point I is the dynasty over. I'm not saying that okay but they knew accept the fact that there's a team leagues ahead of them right now. I want to go over that again because you said if I if I wrote that down Alabama is not nearly as good as Clemson right now. Is that correct absolutely everyone in the world can see this. I feel like except for Alabama is that is that Alabama Proper Alabama Alabama the football team yeah. That's what Alabama state back. I just wanted to make sure we understand that and and you and can you really believe Joe that that this Alabama program is hung up on that right now that there they they can't move past that based on what you saw the other day. No I think that they just are not in the right space. Mentally at the beginning of the season when Alabama lost the Clinton a few years ago and meek and Fitzpatrick was the leader of that team. You knew absolutely what that feeling was in the locker room. There was enraged hate this team I I. I'm not sure if you leaders are Jalen. Hurts was clearly our last year. Maybe he should have been playing in the championship game when two was injured with cylinder with an ankle. I don't know but General's in Oklahoma. I don't see a player right now to accept that role the way MINKA did after they lost the Clemson it came back and ran through the schedule in how much I mean I know you just said the savings and charges the defense to backs but but how much of this do you put on Nick Sabin Joe all of it. You have to put all nick saving. Yes what all what what on Nick Sabin the attitude the team going into the preseason his it's his job. He'll tell you they get the team mainly motivated in the right frame of mind go heading into the full Paul Camp I. I don't think that teams is where it needs to be right. Why I'm just trying to understand because I I'm? I'm Elliot Myself Out of this. Okay I got I got three and a half hours to follow this up but I'm trying to understand why you think Nick Sabin and this is my. My Word Not Yours is seemingly derelict in his responsibility in at least in terms of getting this team mentally prepared. Let's not blow it out of proportion okay. He's still the greatest football coach Joe Joe Joe. I don't need gratuitous comments about Nick Save and we all know that can we just get to your your your argument here. No well which is what words of a mouse saying Joe Joe. Let me let me assure you. I don't need to put words in your mouth. After this conversation session. Your team needs leadership to reach a level of continuity to wear Clemson as right now have you <hes> I'm just curious <hes> have had you sat down and tried to pick Nick Saban's brain about this subject. I really think not what I asked you. I had our Nick Sabin to try to better understand what you're telling telling us here. I haven't done a one on one with Nick Sabin like you have that was covering S._e._C. media days every day. Well I mean it's not a matter of what I've done but I have spoken to him quite a few times in the last three times in the last six weeks and I don't see what you see yeah. We're not going to know I guess until the National Championship game either uh-huh the way they're scheduled plays out for. We're all GonNa know what it's wearing forty four in the country. No no I mean Joe Can I. I've got I've got to get to the end of this because I I'm. I've gotten your opinions of <hes> but you just you seem like something about this. Alabama program is bothering you know nothing is bothering me <hes> it doesn't bother them. Alabama okay an incredible program Yeah Best Program last ten years in college football but you don't you don't got beat by twenty eight points in the National Championship game right that should be a problem other people should consider that a problem and it's not just about what Alabama did how much better clemson and in based on what you saw Wednesday. You don't think they turn the page I don't think so I think they needed identify some serious leadership in that locker room before the season begins listen maybe right. I have no earthly idea I'm just trying to. That's why we're talking to you. I mean it's always interesting when when someone in that state says what you are saying I found that to be a very interesting situation -tuation. Thank you thank you Joe Goodman A._O._l.. Dot Com works in Alabama. We're coming right back. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum. Show podcast okay very very interesting conversation with Joe Goodman. He is the lead sports columnist at AOL DOT. Com Legend is next man. I mean what a dumb ass Paul. I mean come on this. The LEAGUE GUIDE ALABAMA DOT COM for real <hes> yeah yeah I mean do you. I mean I read that side I don't. I don't think there is another columnist. You need to put a note right now. I'll have Danny memo no more stupid people on your show. No more no more stupid people. You need to start doing like a quiz to see if these folks have any actual football knowledge causes clear gelato clear actual football dollar. I mean dominates other year right. They're clear. I don't care if he's the lead writer or what he is. I mean that's just pathetic Paul. That's just not knowing the game I mean I could really care less about that twenty eight point beatdown you and I know they Alabama player right now. That's got that twenty eight point beatdown on their mind they got one frigging thing on their mind and that's beating the tar out of Duke Blue Devils App Sports. They got on their minds. If I know they then get key folks I mean it ain't Alabama's got a problem with this is cliff. Some people got a problem with this. All we all. We've moved on you know we. We have moved on it. I mean for Joe to I sit there talking about we ain't got leadership. I mean to us took a big role. I know for a fact and all season. I know some of the players in del Moses he's clearly leader of that defense and that these together it's pointing that was the thing and listen legit you know each other. We're friends and I I don't try to throw my position up against anyone because I think everyone has an opinion and I want to hear everyone's opinion but what bothered me about this guy. Is this I've I've I've sat down with Nick Sabin three times recently and had conversations about that game and I didn't. I've never detected any of would he got through asking. That's that's why I asked him the question. I just thought you tell me I'm wrong you the lead sports columnist at the leading newspaper in the state and the leading website. Don't you think you ought to spend a little time row. Nick Sabin yourself actually though you nailed it on the head. Here's the thing folks are just throwing things against the wall Alabama and seeing if they stick and they're not really done no research you talk to the man to man ain't focused on clamps in the mass focused on Duke. He's focused on the team. Now you know Dylan. Moses went wrong and. What he said we were the best team on that field and the national championship game? We got beat but we beat ourselves. Yes clemson took advantage of our mistakes in our store it comments but it's because we didn't execute our game plan. We didn't plates or the best of our ability you know when the New England Patriots got beat by the fill it out the eagles the Patriots Day right back the next year was the same dynasty same threat they always was Paul that lost didn't didn't hand the Doing let dynasty into Clemson Lost Alabama Dynasty. We're back and we're looking at one thing again. Way Ain't studying Clinton's ass. We are studying getting back to the National Championship game and clinched it makes it back act. That's great. That's I walked that believe me I watched that every Alabama person wants that but we hate studying clemson's but and and these folks coming on and talking about how tremor larence twice as good as to I mean that's just like a person the spouse stupid I mean according to Mel Kiper to the first pick in next year's N._F._l.. Draft by landslides Yeah Trevor Lines my another Peyton Mann and but to may be another Russell Wilson and even better so the race up in like that this sells his ignorance invisible lack of now. It's Hey Alabama dot com to fire his asked the day as the lead writer not the message that Alabama's got the best roster in the nation. Ask Mel Kiper. He originally said they got well here. Here's again I don't I don't need to I'm stumbling over my own words because I don't want to say what I want to say. <hes> but this guy this guy this guy just seemed like I mean he was trying to lecture Nick Sabin and finding leadership like what do you think nick savings been doing for the last six months on that team and how does he know whether there's leadership or not really he ain't talking to nick. I I mean you do I mean this guy I have to go into the Mercedes dealership him by car before he gets a one on one with nick and this is the bull-crap kind of you know just journalism that fans have to put up with the a day but we're smarter today. The Internet age is made us smarter. Will we hear something stupid and that was stupid. We are going to call them out and tell them that was the most ignorant thing you ever said. I mean yes clemson is great but you better believe Alabama. Obama is right there with them and capable of kicking that behind Paul People like him as proved they ought to be a lifeguard at the gene pool of dumb. Thank you very much legend always great to hear from you and let's go to <hes> I'm an you can take him out of prison but that don't mean you rehabilitated anybody. That was the best if game I've ever heard yes. We you rest backup. All the Nick Sabin his moved on from the Clinton in game but six months ago six months ago there words Bama fans words nick no forget nothing. He's got the best revenge game you get him and she gets you twice next year and after that after that apt nickname moved on he is blamed every situation he is blamed everybody except himself for that loss and if there's leadership clemson led Alabama Clemson owns Alabama's lead they were the leadership in that game they beat quit into them not not only the players on the field. They did it prior to the coaching staff on the sideline and you know when old dog is caught up in the trap out in the woods. You wouldn't bear traps. That dog knows leg off to get free. Apparently that's what Nick's doing what he's showing it off to get him get free. You can't get free from from here and Obama. Fans are having a fit because a line even said that Notre Dame played a better game that guy was playing Notre Dame in Alabama. It's up on the guy in front of him and US taking calls for million legend imagine that as always Paul Ward and Michael Thank you very much legend legend. It's such a pleasure to visit with your up against a break mortar listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast Geico presents yikes another voicemail from your roommate shepherd's Pie. I in the basement completely flooded anyway. I call for someone to fix it but in the meantime I was thinking we could finally have that Indoor Pool Party. We will always wanted. I got him cool Swan floaty things already go and could you pick up some chips on your way home later. The GEICO Insurance Agency could help keep your personal property protected like if your roommate isn't the brightest pool float in the flooded basement visit geico dot com to see how easy it is to switch and save on Renter's insurance. Yes we're back glad you are too and <hes> let's continue with more phone calls and A._C.. In and the Sunshine Band is next good afternoon. Thank you for taking my call how you doing <hes>. We're doing very well sir. I have no clue I that someone sent the suite. Two guests GONNA cut him off. Both currently it's like that he'll dimensions like that. She went up twenty three disrespectful glide opportunity to win the whole thing out here in pretty much in the book and you're GonNa see Alabama interesting reading here extremely so you guys are just putting extra security to Co the Smart Aka lyrical twin brother when he puts his hat on Joe's big mistake the whole thing. I don't crazy. I'm always crazy but here's the thing see where I just mentioned you. Mentioned about big shifts asks what's what's her name. <hes> also getting hurting relieved data surgery few weeks ago so you guys don't listen right and. Super behind us but you miss your fine bone. Jeff is overrated and as far as last consume you want to bring their passion dude on yell and scream. I did my yelling and screaming to once or twice and guess what I figured. Why should a yelling screaming? I can save energy slowing the first caller to A._C._C.. Network also totally and get them all fired up. Let me see how they all those remarks. I don't do Texas spent where we patiently to beat the hell someone ship. I'm cocky on. Just another victory was company. Bless you guys and cooking taxes. Thank you very much. <HES> MARIO IS UP NEXT MEMPHIS. Hey morial we're doing great. Thank you all make Catelli. That's a good that's a good question. I I hike dying is already in place. I've never seen this hi IDA game they're already talking about. Why are we still talking about? I don't think we were until to saving and Dylan. Moses made reference to it but again you have to remember they were asked about it so well. All my good that'd because they said about the allows people keep asking questions. It's over with look forward to the season. All these Alabama Alabama hopefully like nature. Do you buy on one level no but but on the other hand yes because I think sometimes <hes> that's why boxing is such a great sport because you you have Ali Frazier one two and three you you have rematches and I think I think this this this rematch would settle this once and for all. How would you get another? It won't fail it was soundly. If clemson wins again. Take my awards for it. If clemson wins again you're not gonNA hear any <hes> Alabama fans trying to to make a case and it's GonNa be bad anyway in a fan of the schools and that's GonNa I. I hate to see a rope so as an Alabama fan. Would you just as soon Nazi clemson if not it well it could be. It's going to be Clemson so let's not worry about at this conversation. You want even now. Hey good good to hear from you. Read dog is next read daugaard him all high. They're confused and you know some says call Paul the he'll make sense of it all so maybe you can sit please. <hes> you know the okay. Moses and judy both said as an example that they thought that Georgia was as a tougher team than Clemson okay. If I were a Clemson fan I could understand why if I were Clemson Fan I would say you've gotta be kidding me. I mean they beat Georgia and we'd be beat the snot out of them so that's ridiculous would would that make them disrespectful. They said that that's a good point. I mean that would they would be saying just what you're saying and I bet they would. I mean if I were a Clemson Fan. I would say that but I mean <music> but it's still true that the Alabama players said that and I don't know <hes> I just don't understand all this clemson stuff. I mean you know you know what we know what it reminds me. It reminds me of Florida. Florida can't get that they're there. There are a lot butthurt with their fingers all the time because they're not as good as they want. They think they are and Clemson they. They still wounded because they're not getting enough plays to what I guess. That was the one thing about <hes> Joe Goodrich. I know the Alabama should have come up there and just praised Clemson. No they shouldn't have the why would they. Why would they do that all of that guy just trying to get attention? I don't think he listened. He works in the state. He has to cover it <hes>. There's there's something about his attitude. That was peculiar to me well. I don't know I remember we back in the day when we used to follow you in reading the papers and you know sometimes you would say some provocative. I always took pride and trying to find a a a an angle though as opposed to just just I mean to me this was a fairly un-imaginative take well. He said several broad yeah rush all encompassing stike stereotypical saying that trevor warrants was twice as good as to Clemson was leagues ahead of how do you say that your leagues ahead of a team that I mean virtually every year for except one now well I would call it desperation journalism well. I mean I'm sorry but if you've got the best coach in the history of college football and you consistent and I'm adult fan. I'm not an Alabama fan but.

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Bells dream preview weekly winners from his wiseguy roundtable broadcasting from the pregame.com studios in Las Vegas here is R._J.. Bell that's right and we have a special early college football preview with a special guest on the why Guy Roundtable to my left draft you know it you know he had to be here. Could we do college without the guy with all the college knowledge. No no no brad powers Irene nine newspapers to my right. He's back. He is back. You're wondering who these are. The twenty five dollars but margins are to ever enter Gold's gym. Daddy Ken Thomson with a special sound drive me. I'm R._J.. Bow Guys. This is literally a month's worth of college football. You'll get in the next hour and twenty or so. We're GonNa talk about in fact. This is really a pick show picks people love picks. Brad and Ken are going to give us an over or under in each conference of the major so that's ten. I'm just doing some simple math. That's ten over unders right Brad Yup five conferences yep to people yup. That's ten now now. We're GONNA have a week one best bat from Brad and and can that's too so that's twelve also we're going to be going over a prop Alabama versus Clemson but more specifically Alabama and Clemson versus. This is the field and one of these Vegas Casinos has a second tier teams. That's going to be interesting Clemson Georgia in Michigan together. See that's weird. They've got ally the south point. They got Alabama Oklahoma Ohio State Clemson Georgia Michigan so you're kind of in a way I get it now. It's it's it's really Alabama versus Clemson. Yes <hes> yeah that's interesting so so there's a lot of your opinion on Clemson your opinion on Alabama will dictate so much this year because he's teams these two are so dominant also the biggest games of the year so far ten picks in the conference's two week one games and we're not going to give picks on every one of these Games but Ohio State Michigan Alice you Alabama. What a shocking line at Notre Dame Georgia Nebraska Ohio State Oklahoma taxes then the best bats are going to be decided and at the very end? We'll talk a little M._B._A.. But we're GONNA put that at the very end so if you're listening to this after you know July tenth or so if you're like July twentieth whatever this college stuff is evergreen. It's going to be fresh and worth listening to later N._B._A.. Stuff maybe not as much is going to be at the very end of the podcast so Ooh I think we start Alabama and Clemson so brad you have your power ratings hundred thirty teams to a tenth of a point away. Well no no no no amateurs would do a tenth of <hes> of a point so much fun right now. Would the line be in your opinion. Let's compare it to the market because I'm guessing the projected lines out there Alabama Alabama Clemson. I Have Alabama one point better than Clemson. That would be my projected line Ken. I got to pick them. I couldn't decide right now the quarterback edge. I still give to Clemson but there's a lot of holes in that defense again. Both teams reload Clemson been reloaded like Alabama has been doing for the last decade crop is available right now at gold nugget and it hasn't moved clemson minus two or Alabama so I'm a little bit different than the market okay so both of you are saying you like Alabama more. I do now now what we talked about about what five six weeks ago how much of this is and it's funny when you're Brad's age thirty five you you know you're not a kid anymore but you got some of the habits of a kid and and all you've known really is Alabama being dominant or lease. It's been so I mean think about it. When did you become really cognizant of college football? As in you had opinions you're making. Let's say fifteen and that's not right twenty twenty years. How long's Alabama been dominant ten years so for half of your I mean I would say life betting betting the perfect way to say can batting life for half of that betting life? It's spend hey if you buck Nick Sabin. If you questioned him you're full. Are you may be like the old timer saying I've got this stat the rushing yard rusher four hundred yards the ten point underdog come on now when we had that conversation you said you know there might be something to what you're saying are you. Have you contemplated that I have contemplated it. There's probably a little bit of truth for that at an Alabama team that in the last ten years only been an underdog in one game so there is point dog awards at one by like thirty s and I'm still comfortable having Alabama one. I really watched the championship ship game and I think there's just a a massive overreaction that final score. Why was the score wrong? I hate to say this because we used to do this on the street out of Vegas Show on Oh yeah. Let me guess <hes> well. Let me see turnovers several of them whether it be picked sixes Alabama fake field goals against stop Alabamian stopped on fitness a whole second wh what's one of our basic premises Alabama gets margin often ties highs because they're so athletic. The guys who aren't special teams could be the star player for the other team. They do get those kind of plays. They stopped the fake fuel is Clemson may be in that league now now that category that rarefied air that they're going to be getting those plays. That's a great point. They have gotten a couple of those plays against Alabama last three or four years. The biggest staff for me was Clemson had three eight hundred total yards on third down in the game averaged length of distance on third down was almost third and ten for Clemson to me statistically that I would say that's almost a typically impossible for Clemson to duplicate that unless you have a world classic quarterback and that's the question right. How good is that quarterback 'cause Colin cowherd said and I can't remember who he put in this category? I think it was literally John Elway Andrew Lock Trevor Lawrence and Trevor Lawrence were the three like Oh if you see them throw five balls live you know this is unlike any quarterback you've ever seen. I can't disagree with them. Okay so you know it's unreal R._J.. Last year before four Clemson and Lawrence really came on the scene when I saw him play and I was watching the guy be groomed and Mike after someplace it you know what if this guy just doesn't lose games. They're going to have a chance to compete with Alabama. They're gonNA be in the ball game and then he got hurt in the one game after Bryant distort and quarterback ends up transferring and somehow clemson gets better and better after Lawrence comes back from the one game injury that he misses and and <hes> here I am I get to that championship game. In everything I said turned out to be right in what I do. I go and I bet Alabama. I went totally against what I said at the beginning of the year but did your opinion Lawrence changed throughout the year to the point point where it wasn't a question of is going to lose the game but rather this is one of the best quarterbacks in the country definitely one of the best quarterbacks in the country and I thought the injury because of the hard hit that he took on that sideline and the game that he missed. I thought maybe that could come back to haunt him especially especially against the defense like Alabama but it did not it did change for me. My biggest hangup was had nothing to do as far as mechanically form the arm look there. I was concerned Kenny. Hold up for a full season of college. Football not being injured knob being injured. He I mean he's six five one eighty five one ninety when I watched the spring game last year that was my biggest concern. Obviously he aced that test and did put on. He looks like a different player at the end of last year physically with his arms and stuff then what he was when I watched him in the spring frank six seven months prior but he did get rocked to miss that game I mean he took out he was exposed. Silent boomy took a shot bread. Okay now you watch this year Spring Game Right Yep. How physically how do you look dabbed like he put on an extra five seven pounds? I mean of muscle. Yes some muscle. We're not talking about it goes to Hawaii now by the way undisclosed location fantastic but it's somewhere in Hawaii because we were asking him he said in the United States and he said not the contiguous United States so to me you know knowing the fezzet would never go to Alaska because they don't have the proper accommodations for him. Let's be honest. He has a mansion and a yacht. I'm figuring why either way I'm figuring he's doing a lot of eating bang. Bang go have a whole mill at one place and the right to another place and have another one bang bang good muscle but something just struck me and again. I'm not a college football guy. That's why I've got you to in to a youth see stuff from a different way. I appreciate that in a in a way that's an advantage. It's a disadvantage to obviously that's why collective I Q. I think maybe fade Clemson when there are big big favourite just say I'm just going to bat against him every time they're getting twenty or given twenty four more and here's why laughing because that's basically their whole season R. J. Okay Yeah but here's why obviously five seven pounds or not him. Getting injured is the catastrophe castrophe Lawrence and what happens is. Maybe it's durden eight early in a game which they figure this game. We're GONNA win easily anyway. It's a drawl instead of letting the other team pin their ears back and then come the second half who's to say how quickly they're going to go to the second guy and chase bryce is a solid quarterback but I mean you look at if he's not if there's a huge talent different you'd better get a huge talent. You better get him wraps and this is is a guy. That's a three star guy the other backups that should be the backups right now on the depth chart for Clemson Okay Kelly Bryant. He's now the starting quarterback Missouri Hunter Johnson now the starting quarterback and North Western so again R._J.. You think in that through you're exactly ackley right. Unfortunately we're GONNA see that a more. It won't be one of those why I guess you could bet the the games of the year but my gut feeling is. We're going to see quickly. That Lawrence is GonNa not be playing taking taking as many Cha- they're gonNA minimizes chances. It seems to get hit which means a won't get as much margin as they would otherwise right or two of for example last year though he didn't play a time in the second half and all that ah he's they certainly were thrown the throwing the ball around much more than what they had any prior years under saving so let's transition to a was what ninety percent to win the heisman like November like Thanksgiving doing day every close minus one thousand he was and writer out yeah mid November to late November couple of weeks left. I was exactly right. You're exactly right fantastic yeah ninety. It's like no no no no eight percent exactly all right so now hey someone had to do it isn't here he'll be back next week is to me. How much have we downgraded to at all meaning? We saw saw him lose. The championship game was it was it him. Was it something you could say. Everyone has a bad game or was it something where I was worried about this. We didn't see it to- Clemson and then we I saw he did not pass the test. It complicated question R._J.. Because I don't I'm not sure to one hundred percent. He had the ankle injury had have ankle surgery. This is at the at the you know in between the playoffs and the end of the S._e._C. Championship inch game so that might have played a little part of it but here's my concern and this is even going back to when he was healthy against the top three defenses he faced Tuitonga Vilo. We're talking about four touchdowns five interceptions against everybody else in in the country that he played zero interceptions and he had like thirty five touchdown so I'm a little bit concerned when he's playing the the competition steps up so who were those teams they were L._S._U.. Georgia and Clemson so see to me. That's a a Mutt because you always hear about his throwing windows where in college it's hard to tell how good a quarterback is 'cause if you if you're on a really good team you got these gigantic throwing windows against the George's of the world the Clemson's you're not going to have that and you're saying he was effectively a blow average quarterback in those games yep. Where do you think I agree? I'm in those three defenses. I mean L._S._U.'s always going to bring defense. Alabama found a way to pull away in that game but the Clemson in defense was different in the team is different this year they lost a lot on the defense both offenses Bama and Clemson coming back this year that's their strength because they're both bringing back a ton of starters and skill position players. I mean at T._I.. is coming back your starting running back for Clemson two of the best receivers in the country for Lawrence to get the ball to and then Alabama collectively. I think probably the best receiving corner of the country. Here's what I saw film and look but let me ask a question open question. I have a good memory when it comes to general general topics. I'm Brad. You are unbelievable unbelievable when it comes to like recalling some score from three years ago I'm more of a framework guy and when I remember is there was no discussion Russian that you're coming into the Clemson game which we analyzed for weeks that you know something because two of those three games came before the championship game right without being the third saying in these two games against the two best defenses he struggled. Why did we miss that because I we shouldn't have but what we did see in the playoff game against the bad defense Oklahoma to look fine? He looked healthy twenty four out of twenty eight threw. Four touchdown passes looked like he was most of the season R._J.. So that's why light we skipped over. Yeah I guess effectively. We weren't previewing Clemson Alabama for a month as you said there was that first round playoff though at the time that was the fact that final or nocal- both teams are double digit favorites Yeah Yeah so oh candidate we just miss it. I think we did I think we did and <HES> and even if we said it we would have said well. Two Games isn't enough a boy if you only play two DS and he struggles against both maybe an issue so why do here's the question known for the the not the old fogies will say those maybe set in their ways if Lawrence is so much better and two is a big question mark now against really defenses how the heck he's Alabama favored Brian all the other positions and now make that case though is this just a recruiting ranking. Is this readout earnings orders well. I mean it's a little bit of that but to me Clemson. Had you talk about possibly yes we trevor Lawrence being a generational talent quarterback agree the cleanse just lost generational talent on the defensive line greed. Maybe the best defensive line at least the most town defensive line in the history of college football three players from the defense ally went in the first fifteen picks so the draft and the other one guy draft third round or something so to me that would be obviously a major downgrade for Clemson this year now if it weren't for historically good. I'm thinking Clemson. If you look at the recruiting rankings it's scary how well they played with out great recruit in theory so Brad. You've done analysis with Sweeney whereas here was the average recruiting rankings for his classes now when you were doing this. Were you waiting the senior class a little bit more or just doing an average okay should've though but but but this is good generally gimme like a two years ago was the Clemson average for the four years of player so that would have been some the seniors recruited six years from today so way back and then now obviously there's a four year window Gimme the rankings yeah the the rankings from two years ago Clemson was like sixteenth average recruiting class recline with sixteenth two years ago and that was for the four four classes that were made of that team now. It's gotten a little bit better but it's still it's not top. Five Clemson's only signed I think in the last five years like one top five class right now average recruiting class rank nine ten is what it is okay but here's the thing you can only improve one a year at a time like now so if you do you know it's like having three losing days than poker you win. The fourth day odds a heart. It's going to be hard to make up so much ground you win as much loss in the three so how was because I'm just thinking for the future. Are How was this year's class. Believe it or not not even in the top five eight okay now. Here's the question whenever you're measurements tank contradict the results you gotta start wondering about your measurements meaning. Let's say I've got a trend about three hundred rushing yards and plus ten or more Blah Blah Blah if it. Goes Four and sixteen at some point. You guys say hey what's changed. Though that is what makes handicapping so hard is you don't know if it's variants or for as a fundamental change. That's the challenge always but I I just because of a few friends that you know I reference occasionally in college football. I understand that the rivals the you know whatever it is that we're using what do you trust the most with the recruiting rating for seven because they take an average of all of the recruiting services including their own and they come up with a what they call composite okay so would I know is this. There's been times and I if I say this wrong. Crack me where let's say years ago taxes they recruiting only the elite guys they were riding high under Mack Brown and there'd be a situation where a kid was had a decent rating taxes would offer him and all of a side and rivals would move them up to an absolutely happen yeah so even to this day so really what we're saying is. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. If Alabama takes you you're a great recruit so how couldn't they have a great recruiting class fair enough so what I'm saying but I'm not what I'm saying is. How can we take these rating seriously at all then in why isn't Clemson at that point yet? There's been massive studies like percent of five stars that go to the first round the N._F._l.. Draft and compared to four stars three stars and it holds out and holds water okay be but here's the thing if you're changing because then really it's Nick Sabin. That's doing your ratings correct enough that is I've never heard anyone say this but you're right. I mean if effectively you're saying based on who you pay. Is I mean what would be a good analogy is let's say we were had <hes> one of my buddies at works with pre-game Tom. Tom's dad knows he's a racing car guy like his whole life. He's built built engines. If we go to some lot in it was the thousand Gore. Let's say one hundred cars I say Gabe which card you want if Gabe walks picks a car and says all based on the price I went this when I when I want right and if I was doing some rating service whereas I would let Gabe in five other gibbs you know hopefully if you had them choose who's good and WHO's not and it's not even who Alabama scientists who are they recruiting meaning if they get beat out for someone by Ohio State or Oklahoma Guam then you know wow it's it's more than one weekend hosts Bernie Fratto by the way straight out of Vegas on the Weekends Eleven Pacific on Saturday night eleven to midnight tonight. Aren't you threatened to do a segment or a show with him soon yeah. When is that soon? Yeah I already did one. I think I'm doing another one in a couple of weeks all right so what to some degree I guess how isn't Clemson in that list anymore. Meaning the very fact that Clemson recruited them and signed a means. Hey guys great I'm not I don't have an you know an answer to that R._J.. And I don't see it as much because Clemson's still compared to the other program and I'm comparing him to Ohio State L._S._U.. Georgia they signed much many more three star guys than any of those schools do and I think here's a here's an it's kind of weird but I I look at this a little differently than a a lot of the scouts when you look at Bama and all these five star players and then a two three deep five star players that are patient enough to wait their chance thinking if they get in there they went to Bama. They're GONNA go to the N._F._l.. When you see some of these guys R._J.? When the draft comes around how do you determine okay that guy? I know he's a five star came out of out of Alabama. How good a pro is he going to be and so when you listen to some of the guys that assess the talent <hes> may offer the raiders who now is their general manager he'll talk about this to where if a guy's playing playing with all five star players and he's playing against all three and four star players in the S._e._C. Obama's all five stars? How good is that five star player going to be when he's not paired up with all five star players because now he's going to go the N._F._l.? He may be on buffalo and all of a sudden. He's five star players that he played with the college. He doesn't have that same nucleus. There doesn't have that same amount of <hes> and so that's it it it's tough for the general manager sometimes to assess the guy just just because he's coming out of Alabama that this guy so you'll look at a Trent Richardson you can go back. There's many guys that come out of the schools that you think oh he's Bama. He's Clemson. He's you know there's a reason that mullen the raiders took him in the second round but they took Abram over over him. Mississippi State Secondary Guy in the first round. Why good point can I get back to the question? I think may we're starting to see it R._J.. Because for the first time in this <hes> DABBLED SWEENEY ERA Clemson for next year the upcoming recruiting class that's GonNa sign this December number one recruiting class. They never been really top five now. They're number one and not only number one but by most analysts right now the best recruiting class in the history of college quarterbacks coming from Saint John emboss go. I got to see him last year and I'll get to see him again. August twenty four in southern California bellflower Kids Outstanding D._J.. Yuan Allay or is oh not saying exactly. Here's here's the best of the podcast it's it's too in D._J.. Oh man he's fun but it's also it's Trevor Lawrence. See I no problem that's right. That's how I make a lot of my picks pronounce the name <hes> Matt Chapman Yeah you go now. Let's wrap this. I think the idea that these recruits let's be honest. What's the the guy at rivals the guy at twenty four I have that's making these assessments? How much is he getting paid thirty forty thousand a year I mean I think some are there to level down guys? Are Maybe the the upper the main guys maybe a hundred thousand maybe baby. The question is if any of them were better than any of the coaches at assessing talent. They'd hire them away for four. I mean like literally on Alabama I mean this is mind blowing because it's changed so much again backed. Somebody's I have in the game. I remember the D backs coach at Houston <hes> in two thousand to two thousand three so it's been a little while seventy k. like literally is full-time Time D. Bag coach and again Houston obviously a level or two now I mean obviously you got coordinators getting paid millions in certain spots but I'm saying more specifically if you look at an elite program like Bama how much is the last true position coach whatever it is tight ends coach where they're getting what almost three hundred hundred two fifty so I think about it is wouldn't they wanna pay anyone at any of these recruiting class or <hes> <hes> services that knows more than them. They could double triple their salary in a blink of an eye. It's a good call and they don't even need to be on a coaching staff. There's the N._C._W._a.. Rules that nick savings taken advantage of you can have these special assistants. That's why you see like Bourgeoisie Control Quality Control Butch Jones somehow coming over from Tennessee and that Steve Sarkissian what was that first isn't it ironic though that he mentioned Houston because now tillman for t- to being the biggest booster and of course owner of the Golden Nugget where I do my show on Friday nights I gotta get that in there but also also the owner of all the Landry's restaurants but he is the biggest booster he brings Dana Hoeger Sohn from West Virginia Power Five conference to a non power five conferences double A. C. to take that job and so the assistance are being well paid. They're trying of course to get get set and groom for the big twelve but I think your points valid though I mean if these guys are so good at what they do they wouldn't be at their job and to me. It's the same thing with the N._F._l.. Draft the draft and now we're seeing with Maalot may lie may May I mic Mac. I like locks. General Mayock is that here's a guy who had if I'm not mistaken he had been in the league right or was he all media immediate goal last year media. He's I think he's one of the best assessors of college talent you know coming into the draft and you you got your Kuypers in your mic Shays but may I to me and in fact I talked to Dan Shonka you talk about our lads. <hes> where we get a lot of our <HES> lineups upset come in and and Danjiangkou stays on top of that stuff he actually had cleland ferrall <hes> picked forth by the radio the number four pick overall but he had that pick as because most raider fans when I was at the draft party trays they were like in shock because Josh Allen was still left out of Kentucky and the raiders took for L. and a lot of people thought that he would still be left when they were going to get their second pick in the first round but I think the key point to wrap up this topic is that typically it's rare for for a guy in the media to them become G._M.. Ride and it's always reversed exam need. It's it's when you wash out and it's really what I've had an experience with when I was hiring years ago for pre-game is <hes> there was a guy remember specifically from Lockheed Martin that wanted to do computer programming and I'm thinking wow lucky does they put spaceships on up on the moon. He's GonNa have no problem with this. Well usually the guys at Lockheed Martin or the like that WanNa work for a start up in Vegas gambling related now if they have gambling in their blood okay maybe but otherwise that means they washed out at Lockheed Martin. I didn't understand that I do now how to some degree when you see that unless again the Lou Holtz is of the world there are times people retire and they were Lee and they become a Li like Huby Brown obviously knows basketball right but typically. It's because they wash out they take that job so I would say to me. It's all with a grain of salt. How do we get at Shifting Gears Alabama Clemson so obviously if you like one over the other it's easy is they have the projected title matchup is up and also you could have the the groupings again of teams that have Alabama on once? I clemson the other. Let's talk about these odds. Alabama Oklahoma Ohio State Clemson Georgia Michigan so this is interesting so it's Ohio state versus Michigan Effectively Right Oklahoma versus Georgia Alabama versus Clemson and right now. If you went Alabama Oklahoma Ohio state plus one fifty fanny them when the title Clemson Georgia Michigan Plus One thirty so Hausa and in any other team three two one boy. What's the vague on that? I'M GONNA have to take a gander. Give my spreadsheet out okay. That's interesting. I wonder if they'd giving minus three eighty on neither Alabama Oklahoma Ohio State Clemson Georgia Michigan winning it because in theory if they're giving you plus three hunter is three eighty now who could win. I start their Alabama. Oklahoma has stayed on one side Clemson Georgia Michigan on the other. WHO's the seventeen seventeen if you were free role thousand bucks Brad if you picked seventeen wins a WHO would it l._S._U.? Would be my team because I have number for my power writings would about you can now by the way we'll talk about this game now Alabama Ama l._S._U.. Ally Alabama's at home but Alabama's a sixteen and a half point favorite in L._S._U.. Is ranked number four my power ratings Ufa Rufai. I got a team that's going too is far out that unaware Brad Brad profit isn't even have them in his top ten but a team that if they win the opener on a neutral and a few weeks later went on the road that they can be in the playoff out of the pack twelve. Believe it or not that's Oregon. I got him number thirteen okay. That's IT and again that if you do have long long shots there's two ways to handicap college football season. When it comes to titles one is hey? WHO's the champ but too is if you get the right pay off the assumption is do? They have a path to the playoff itself because doesn't matter really effectively if you're getting let's say what what's organs future arts. I twenty five to one thirty one that might not but you know you gotTa Fifty Fifty Sixty two one that you could see them. You know if they win this one game and you think they have an edge in that game not an edge were that favor but maybe it's tighter than you think effectively. If you know you might get an eighty to one they win that one game yeah you know so I mean we've seen let's be candid. The fact we have double digit underdogs in the playoffs most every year at least one in the Semis Yup is assigned. People were sneaking in these teams. Oh Yeah I mean there's been a ton of teams that have been like eight Michigan State that one year against Alabama preseason Michigan State was like a fifty to one type of shot last thing orgy on the wind toto's though Alabama there is margin for error if you bet Bam over because their windows at eleven were are Clemson's eleven and a half you cannot lose a game so really right now. This is interesting the Clemson win total in twelve games because they don't Count Conference Championships Count The bose is eleven and a half. What's the vague <hes> net not shaded on either way pretty much one town both sides all right so what we're saying here is in these are the kind of like say it strong from the sternum type things because they're so fascinating is the Vegas market is saying that there's about a fifty percent chance clemson goes undefeated in the regular season fifty percent chance a doubt Yep? They're lying. What would you bet there? Oh my goodness we were talking about earlier. I'd bet the under I would too. I I have one of the one of my biggest upsets on that little sheet sheet of Orange paper that I think income not only to cover the spread but I think the team can come up and be clemson well. Let's talk about this one now. Now remember guys if you're new and we're getting new listeners all the time. Thank you for spreading the word and that's the way quite frankly you can help us. I get it you're sitting here. You're listening. You're learning your laugh and I mean and if you have a if you have high character and some do and some don't you're thinking man I'm taking I'm taking I'm taking when's it time to give give back then party. You might say but R._J.'s. He's got everything he needs. What can I give him? Well first of all I don't but you don't have to give me anything except except spread the word right. Pay It forward. 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He's got four teams all playing on September Fourteenth Syracuse Against Clemson line in his syracuse eighteen and a half rain syracuse. All those teams are the home team's all the all so there's under home dogs none of them are more than twelve point or their twelve point dogs or more right right. That's the smallest and you think one of them's going to win. Outright so syracuse would win over Clemson possibly in Indiana over Ohio State South Carolina Carolina over Alabama U._C._l._A.. Over Oklahoma now those odds Syracuse eighteen and a half point dog Indiana Fourteen South Carolina Twenty U._C._l._A. Twelve now. Here's here's what's fascinating if you do the math and this was back in the Napkin Stav the odds of all the favorites winning is about fifty one percent now listen. We're no VIG here so can our our standard college bats to Honda tip in money for Brad but you know you're not care about it and I mean come on how did you. I don't think you've had a chance to talk about it. You had the the Golden Nugget had they're are there picking deal so how much was it to enter a thousand yep and how many people competed three hundred and eight and how and what place did you get orth fourth plane. How much has you in twenty one thousand twenty one thousand and how mini lunches or dinners did you treat for me who took plucked from Obscurity Zero Bookham garage Mr Papageorgiou you kinda wonder about that one? I think there's a big dinner coming up here before the seasons so here's a large I gotta get this in because down the stretch the people that were ahead of him or right in the mix. They're they're listening to straight out of Vegas Baby. They're listening to Thomson show when he has powers on and if Brad sure we're about two or three they might though because right around the deadline I'm at the nuggets now listen. There's no by the way there's well hold on. Let me say this all right. Here's what I know about Ken Thomson. If you love a rundown show now I can't like can we make fun of rundown shows not yours right the famous next up townsend state. You know that if any if you WANNA see the best in breed right that's what Jim Jim Cramer talks about like the best in breed of a pharmaceutical company with the best in breed of rundown show to me. Unequivocally is Ken Thomson Show now. Do you still have Chuck on Oh come on. He brings in the experts in which literally it's like okay. Let's talk the big U._C._l._A.. Game on on the horn the announcer for radio for U._C._L._A.. I mean and then twenty minutes later. He's got some other guy so he's got all the experts. He's built his network so I'm not a rundown show guy but I think it's the best or is so if you like that stuff cans is certainly worth a listen but you're making a point about Brad in he was in third or fourth and what he did. I know that some of those plays canceled out some of these <hes> thought yet down the stretch in May. Have you saw what we were doing with the super contact. I disorder people well. I guess in having well so you try don't act like you're all altruistic like you know I had a choice. Could I how much was first place a little over one hundred thousand so the way you were presenting. Let's be candid was guys. I gotTa Tell You I'm not blaming you or anything. But I had a choice. I could give a full effort at the one hundred thousand or accept the fact that probably was impossible. I was GonNa give you all the knowledge that I've give you weaken and week out but I understand so many any thousands or the dozens with Ken show but the thousand on straight OUTTA VEGAS or saying. Perhaps don't take it away from us. How could you do that and I heard that voice or voices in our case and I said no I'm going to give it to you be damned if I lose eighty K.? Is that what you're implying seventy. That's what I'm implying except you just had you were trying to swerve. I went like some favorites and stuff in the bowl games but one of the the bet that really cost me ten thousand was the Buckeye. We don't WanNa hear your store. Oh but that was the one that we had. We had a big bet on it the biggest threat we made all college football season. I'm like this is all free game that was as can be. I'm GonNa Take Ohio State. The square pick back in front of me took Ohio state too. I'm like how in the hell does that happen. Hey when you get into high hey you're in the heights of these contests. I mean next level stuff often times okay so I am going to take Jake that Clemson Ohio State Alabama Oklahoma wins out over Syracuse Indiana South Carolina U._C._l._A.. You know why because I'm back in two hundred to win two hundred and fifty one percent we go. We're good all right by the way which is just Gimme one of these games. Why do you think they have a better than average chance syracuse? I not intimidate first off one one game circus's not intimidated against Clemson beat him two years years ago should have beat him last year in Clemson. They're not intimidated Dino Babar's his teams come into play. They've got a bunch of stars back on both sides of the ball and they're at home yeah it Saturday night A._B._C.. First Time ever for the carrier Dome and that spot rapid fire yes Gimme me the name of the team. If you had to have a free role take it to win the title Oklahoma Georgia. Who would you have Georgia Georgia same question Ohio State Michigan Michigan Michigan? Okay loves so that's interesting because now it's Clemson Georgia Michigan is plus one thirty Alabama Oklahoma how stay plus one fifty now remember would our power ratings power ratings is intrinsically. How good is the team? That's different than chance to win the title because the path can be more difficult or less difficult right now. If you could have a free rotate Alabama Clemson to win the title. Who would you want? You'd have to UNCLAMPS. I do Clemson Clemson the schedule. I Want Alabama really but you've got him. Even so you think Somehow Alabama's path is easier I just I I'm not sold on Clemson's defense. That's the thing there they lost that whole defensive line. They're not not gonNA get the pressure on quarter. I know the reloading but but you're you're you're saying you have like even I liked venables. I just think to a has four receivers that are better than the two that Clemson has. I just think it's I. I like Bam Emma so I'll take them so. Why don't we do this? We'll have a second bat. Okay is South Point Sat. These you take Alabama Oklahoma Ohio state. I'll take Clemson Georgia Michigan and we'll ban out. I don't like the I'll take Alabama Georgia. Oh so you want to make it look well. Here's the deal I'm going to give you the constant. Who you're you would take if you could take one team deal here? We don't negotiate bats offer. Not the Gimme the that I will not do it okay. I would have rod. Would you take Alabama Georgia in Michigan Against Clemson Ohio. State Oklahoma got five saints too close to call okay last thing what are the odds right now lasting on Alabama Clemson as the focus what are the odds of Alabama clemson versus. The Field Alabama clemson are minus one eighty versus the field been bed up open like minus one forty now. If you force bat what would you play Alabama clemson which is a square. It's funny at square and I who who Pfizer. I mean they were double d. Do I love lately. I love it and that would be interesting. If you had Alabama clemson against the other four there well you've got Alabama Clemson. Oh you mean having the field so you it gets closer to even mind right yeah well. They're doing a three away here. So who would you take Alabama Clemson at my is you know let's call it. No vague what one seventy or probably with the book's one sixty <hes> getting a feel plus one fifty yeah so too close to call will call. I'll take the field because injuries is resentful. I'm telling you injuries happened so to get banged up last year saw Lawrence Missa game. Something happens to either one of your Elaine one fifty here. You'd better press no. He's leaving one seventy. I'm getting plus one fifty. We were no vig okay so you know what would you. He's right. Let's make it one sixty yeah. That's fair you lane one sixty Bam and Clemson I am too. That's good because there's enough teams and there's enough. That's why they play the game. It's going to be a lot of fun. I can't wait college. Football man is just the best in the world. Welcome to ooh listen. You put an opinion out there telling you we're going to go up. We're going to gobble it up. I hope we don't lose kanfer December shows because he's trying to pay K._T.. K._t. all right let's get into great by the way guys knew you guys. Were so nuanced there. I mean sometimes in May because we're doing this show. I and that's why I like doing the dream preview college edition Tuesday's as it comes out Wednesday because it's one of the first times you're talking about it. You know Brad you do a ton of Radio Canada. You do two hours a night right hours. Plus hits or whatever plus with us once. You've talked about something three or four times. There's a tone of voice that you have and also everyone has it to me. You guys were thinking as you were talking and that's great. That's great for radio because you need high energy great for the pot and I I saw you guys calculating things that you hadn't even thought of yet great insight now. We talked about it. We're GONNA have ten picks pretty much rapid fire like a minute or so. I went about a minute on each of these. We're going to start with Ken Dan and Brad you dictate the conference order so what's we'll go alphabetical order A._C._C. K._t.. Your best bet over under season win total A._C._C.. I've got syracuse over six and a half. I think Tommy Devito is going to be solid. Look I think they can be clemson straight up that September fourteenth game but I like this team a lot. I Love Dino Babar's something about Syracuse. When I look at their schedule I was shocked? I thought it would be seven and a half it was six and a half. I found eight wins. There can disagree. I said it's seven and a half one of the bigger movers one of the sports books out there made a mistake and pretty much put circuses. I win total from last year out there five and it was bad up significantly over there on the east coast. I don't disagree no bet there. We might have one later in the show. I'M GONNA go with Virginia. I'm going to go over seven wins. Here's a team I think is flying under the radar Bronco Mendenhall doing a great job there to wins first year six second year eight wins the next year. He's got fourteen starters back this year I adding this could be as best team yet. Defensively Tarkwa is awesome. Yeah Bryce Perkins one of the if you WANNA sound smart around the water cooler this year when you're talking previewing the upcoming season Bryce Perkins one of the most underrated quarterbacks in the country dual threat had more within three thousand five hundred total yards last year thirty four total touchdowns defensively eight starters back from unit that was top twenty in the country then I look at the schedule only two games where they're going to be a clear underdog at Notre Dame at Miami like Virginia Nya over seven wins moving along next conference here as we go rapid fire K._T.. Moving along to the big twelve year favorite season win total bat so real quick jumping in 'cause I stepped out to get a coke zero. You know what happened last show. I said I was eaten at the beginning. I said I promise I want someone on twitter. tweets me goes at the thirty three minute mark. I heard you take three choose. It's like I know I gotta be honest with you. Having engaged fans is the goal may be to engage but I wasn't here. You had your pick. I want you guys counterpunch and so they can't agree agree with you. Pick or not he did not what you're no. I like I like Virginia Lot. Lebron Bronco men and I like the job that he did at B._Y._U.. And he is one of those guys that does bond the players together and I'm sold on Perkins so let's do this. When you make your pick brad or vice versa the other person? Can let's have three choices neutral green button it up or this is I guess is how four Green Button neutral lean or I'm betting this to got so now. We'll we'll see which ones that both are baton and we'll make we'll have double bass bats so any of the any of the two so far is the other person baton it no the A._C._C. we've had we're both we're both good. I don't WanNa pay a fifty dollars fine for Syracuse Syracuse so okay so but here's the question. Would you bet it at the Christ still would bet at the current ice bat so let's write that down separately track this and you coordinate with sleeping. We'll make sure it gets in the system. We're tracking all right so one double Bass Bat and you were leaning can or he was leaning with you staining with me continue big twelve Katie. Your favorite season went on. I'm going out on the limb. Puka Williams got reinstated. He'll miss the first game against Indiana state but I'm going to go with Kansas over three. We gotta Bet less mile. What's the number right? When what's the VIG right now sleepy? Can you look up. He's looking at up so you guys continue and all right yeah. I'll discriminate- for me I mean less miles configured out when he had the talent advantage at l._S._U.. Over other teams now he's at a massive talent disadvantage at Kansas only favorite in two games there double digit underdog in every a single big twelve game. Maybe yeah I'll bet against Kansas state at home. You think they're a double digit underdog their skin touchdown so what's the closest game for Kansas other than the to their favourite in <hes> kind of a toss up but probably West Virginia at six or seven point home dog in that one. You're saying the third most likely win for Kansas. They're almost touched on underdog pure powering so then how in the heck is the number three present now. They got to win four. I'm sure the less on hold into play hold off right. You'd better click the button I may to when things don't make sense. I slow down. I don't speed up. That's a lesson listen for the kids and an open three and a half. What the hell was I or J? There's scheduled to see what the Hell Do. I know I'm going to look at this and say I mean Indiana state so they're going to be a big favourite. They're no they're not. Indiana state's a good F._C._S. S._G._S._T.. mcdouga- Williams won't be Bass player for Kansas as out suspended for that game. So where do you think the line is or were. They can't canceling be. Maybe a touchdown seven to ten point from the Coast Coastal Carolina. They'll be about a ten point favorite there and then and you're saying the next closest game be West Virginia at home and what's the next closest after that Kansas State about the same line so they'd have to win to is touched on underdogs and both times favored go. I I have to win. At least one of those is to push. You're going no no no. I'm saying I'm saying I would have that kind of ASEM. No I sleep. We have the number know. How long's IT GONNA take you to find? It's going to be a surprise team. This is one of my surprise teams. What exactly you're trying to find again? Kansas season went through. This is just a couple of days ago. I had the under minus one forty four three. I so therefore on for the first time maybe ever I feel bad for Ken here. I'll feel bad. I just WanNa make sure that the numbers are right you might you should be getting about plus one fifty as far as I twenty. I think it is okay. We'll see I well. Let's sleep I get it. I think he knows now the team. We're talking about all right. Let's continue. I may still bet all right for me. In the big twelve I'm going tax US under nine and a half and we talk my power ratings which are available right now at free in the pregame.com forums one of the biggest disparities between my power ratings and what the market is is Texas right now. Texas is being treated as a clear top ten team like the seventh seventh or eighth best team in the country in my preseason power rings. I Texas Number Nineteen. That's good and here's where I think the overreaction is with Texas. Everyone remembers what they just saw last would they just see last Texas beating an S._e.. School like Georgia Georgia Argentine in their previous game almost beat Alabama so good for for Texas and that one and what is Texas have coming back. They're starting quarterback. We Love Sam alligator the promise no one else has back Texas has Cohen Johnson and Duve Rene to decent receivers Isa receivers what eight returning starters K._t.. That ranks dead last in the entire country out of one hundred thirty teams and then you look at it schedule-wise Texas already a home underdog against l._S._U.. Dog Against Oklahoma and yet Texas is better than T._C._U.. You Baylor and Iowa state but not that much better and all three of those games are on the road. They'll have to sweep all three of those games to go over the season win total. There's a Texas team last year K._T.. One nine games in the regular season phony six of those were by a touchdown or less usually that doesn't replicate itself the next season under nine and a half Texas. If you're going to go over nine and half of you Bet Texas and you're going to go over nine and you have to beat L._S._U.. Week to in Austin and right now Texas is about a field goal underdog in that one so not unlikely but right now Aileen Brad on that R._J.. Okay there's an approach to win. Totals which is frat fractional wins of all the Games summed explained a number so for you're talking about every ten cents is worth about a point of a win so fit remind us knows what I'm saying. Okay I know what you're saying so if you have a nine year seventeen point favorite and a game while technically speaking you have a ninety eighty percent chance to win that game so instead of saying hey you get the full win for that one. You're only getting point nine of a win so here's where people get confused and let let's just use like Alabama example. Even if Alabama is a seventeen point favorite in in every game I think Joe shmoe would say all their season went to all should be twelve or seventeen point favorite in every game mathematically speaking Alabama season win total be closer to eleven. I mean if I WANNA get decimal points that actually be ten point eight so that's what it is you have to you have a certain presents actively spread equals money line no vig line ineffectively that no viglen is telling you the chance to win the game exactly add up all the chances you're going now. I think physics explained to me and we'll ask him next next week there is there's a small bias in this approach that in I'm not sure which way it is where you've got just a little one way or the other because this approaches is good but not perfect well ask him. It's a little low from what I've scene. Okay doing that so here's the question so so you're saying in general you just up a little bit. I I'm normally adjusting up more than down. No question remember you gotta get that no Vig line and sometimes that's a challenge down. You have like a minus fourteen fourteen hundred or whatever is what should know viglen be because some theorize that all I tend to believe the Vegas or at least for simplicity's sake is going to be split amongst the dog in the favor a lot of people will say with the big favourite they give all the vague to the favourite and have it inflated a little bit no Vig to the dog so but that's decimal points there that were worried about my question. Is this to some degree. You're just rattling off these games and I think it'd be boring warring and we would make fun or I would make fun of you. You said well the fractional wind say seven point eight win total eight but it's under one fifteen I got it at nine and a half <hes> someplace you never heard of in China <unk> out but I'd lean towards yonder now. It's like come on yeah right. I'm here those we're GONNA listen to its if it's better presented in a spreadsheet. Put it in a freaking spreadsheet free advice for those trying to compete is. I think you guys got to help me understand like I'll be the stand in for the audience here because I'm not a college football guy. I heard you rally and stuff. Let's talk about how many getting do all teams play the same amount of games now yeah one hundred twenty eight teams play twelve games. Two teams have played this. I love that you just pan that out. What are the two <hes> Hawaii and navy actually army? There's one twenty seven. Oh I almost have dreams. I guess you still got it so obviously those exceptions matter when you're looking at the cast I'm I'm betting a lot of people so do they play do all sixteen eighteen. Is Six teams end right or is it three teams three teams okay. That's why 'cause back in the day. It was like they had the early game. That team had an extra game now. It's like they just got the street. Teams have a unique situation. Yes what are those do. They play one more one less and they play one more okay so I'm guessing that a lot of under batters are baton does saying oh my gosh. How could they look at 'cause? You're GonNa look and compare let's say nine and a half to they're not near as good as them is right certainly happened when neutral games and on the schedule that aren't obviously neutral is often the bookies will tell you day and night they get that bottom team bet like crazy because people think it's the home team. Wouldn't this happened. A bunch does happen. We've seen on the biggest movers is army. They hung like a season win total eight and a half or nine okay if they're playing a twelve game schedule sounds about right that thirteenth game schedule Army Season Winter. I'll probably is closer to ten and that's where the market's driven it up. I think they made a mistake so give us the three teams real quick and in the situation just so the mistake isn't made Army Navy Hawaii all play one additional game. I'll play thirteen games in the regular season. Okay so now that we have twelve elvis standard except for those three exceptions. I want to hear what the win total is and then I wanna hear again. We can't say that's sure loss or ashore win but what what's the game or two. That's going to swing it so let's go back back taxes so what's our win. Total season went totals nine and a half so that means the question is are. They GONNA lose three games YEP. What are what are their three losses? What is that deciding game okay? I think L._S._U.. Is a loss. I think Oklahoma is a loss agree and I think there's actually three games where Texas is going to be about a slight favorite and you could most these games right now. We're Texas is about a field goal favorite at T._C._U.. At Iowa state at at Baylor Texas about a field goal favorite three games. I think they drop one of those. I think they could drop to those so wait a minute. You're so the two that you're calling losses. What's the Line Oklahoma's about a four and a half point underdog Roy okay so so wait you're saying there's three that are three and one's four and a half? There's a there's what's the other one taxes against L._S._U.. And about a three point home honored so okay so hold on so there's five games that there are an underdog of of a battlefield goal no three games were there about a field goal favorite to that there ought to feel go underdog okay. Oh so the other three their favor I three that there are field goal favorite and the theories you went to or the three now and then they should win one of the three and that means that they have let me think about this two three loss goes under wow see. Isn't this a lot more interesting. Yes you know I mean they for lightning me on this particular subject R._J.. Let's do it from here like that all right. I liked the under to what's what's the. How is the market moved on that? It was my it was equal. Juice Miami won ten. It's like minus one thirty one thirty five on the under now okay and that'll be candid a guy like you originating. You want the Virgin number you want to beat up the bookie me. I don't mind seeing that fifteen twenty cent move because it reaffirms to me that I'm not missing something because you can be certain you're not missing something or almost sorry. 'cause you live this yeah okay. Do you agree on this one kanter doing no noise Dabo best bet I next one all right moving along conferences. We're GonNa go to the PAC twelve K._t.. Season Win total best bet for you. I'm going to go under Stanford under six six and a half. I'm neutral on this one on Stanford but K._T.. Do you want to admit you got a little inside info the name name I know but somebody that I talked to that's close to the Stanford Program thought this could be one of they're worse teams in the last decade and that's someone that's normally pro Stanford right as they have an association so yeah that can somebody that I totally respect her opinion. I can tell you my power rankings back that up. I Have Stamford number thirty three and my power rings. I I am an stanford that low since like <hes> Jim harbaugh second season on the farm about about eleven years ago so powering back that up when you plug in the schedule I doing that. I don't want to go through it while my projection comes to six point five but it actually does come right around six point five. I'm neutral on this one okay so do we agree. Stanford has one of the best coaches in Football David Shaw Stop Ten we do but we I. I agree that I mean if you look at it R._J.. I think this is one of the toughest schedules it I've ever seen college football. You read off a couple. I'm talking non conference. They open with northwestern at home. At this is a Stanford team. They have Castilla back the quarterback but the other two non Conference Games are at Central Florida and then Notre Dame at home. Oh so we're Alabama's playing Duke Southern Miss and freaking Western Carolina you got Stanford playing North Western central Florida and Notre Dame. Here's the thing I don't WanNa bat a team team. That is having a historically projected to have historically bad season and let's not say historically but I'd say in this generation in the last ten years or however you want to say but in the near-term because if the coach is good the coach makes a point to not let that be a bad season and I think we've seen that a bunch right is the best coat I mean. Let's think who are that'd be an interesting study. Brad is let us use the last ten years who are the best ten coach or <hes>. The might not be a big sample size here but it we interesting but again you've got such a great memory when you have an Ohio state is supposed to win seven and a half. Let's say you know because of massive losses or whatever and are reminders there or you know thinking that other examples nick savings never going to be in that spot right but I found historically day overperform because what what happens to other teams they start losing games in in it feeds upon itself. That's not gonNA happen with a good coach. I- your instincts are correct. I mean the one prime example that I can remember one year. Ohio state only had like six returning starters. The market was re. The opening markets were way loan Ohio state because they were going to have at least at that time proceed to be a down year three or four losses for Ohio state season win tolls like eight and a half. I think the the famous I show you did E._S._P._N.. Dan with me when you actually pick Lamar Jackson and one hundred one. I think that a high you had over Ohio state and I'd say eight and a half one yeah you gotta get married something out so two thousand sixteen to me I don't I think they ask that's why like when you see like the Raven I mean listen. I think our ball in the N._F._l.. Is a really good coach now. We'll be talking about Michigan later and that horrible smells but the fact is if Baltimore struggling. I'm always looking to play on them. Because I know Har- ball isn't GonNa let this team just fall off the earth and I just don't know if you guys consider shot to be that good but if so oh and again cans inside info pro and again we're very careful with that phrase but when when you know people with I it's not inside Info like so and so's injured. It's someone close to the program that I Trust House me axe that is inside info but it's legitimate inside info. I'm always GonNa let that trump my instincts. I just don't like the bat against a really good coach having a bad season I couldn't have said it better myself. I will say this that David Shaw I've had these tape players like a McCaffrey. A bryce love an Andrew luck coming you know after our bluff but those type of dynamic players he does not have that player this year. Here's what I have seen trendline for Stanford recruiting classes of went down and another key coach that I think people should be looking at is the strength coach who has more time with the players than even the coordinators the head coach does because of the off season they lost. What many regarded was the top five strength coach in the country for the last decade? He's been there since Harbaugh was there. He left this past off season something they keep in mind that would be fascinating first of all. How are you in a position to assess the best strength coaches? I just know what people exactly people say so yeah probably five or six x not everyone but yeah it'd be interesting to have I think even if you had one person in each conference that you trusted to say hey who's the best couple of strength coaches in this conference and then made a list of let's say fifteen of the best and then look to fade team or play on a team based upon their movements. I think you would do meaning season wins. I think you do very well offer that I agree. The question is getting the list yeah right. George can help with that. I think may be worth. I mean I'm serious. That is interesting. Okay so can you're neutral in this broader your six and a half sounds about that sounds about right to me moving along <unk>. I'm sorry real quick is the reason we didn't go through game by game. The one time that's going to be tough is when it's right in the middle like five six seven wins when it's higher we can say where's the losses when it's lower we can say whereas the winds for me in the PAC twelve number one season win total from for me. I'm GonNa Take U._C._L._A.. Over five and a half wins second most improved team in the country for me and if you want the complete list again posted it for free in the pregame.com <hes> forums there I I saw this speaking of improvement. I saw improvement from U._C._L._A.. At the end of last year specifically offensively struggled the first eight games of the season finally that chip Kelly offense clicked late average nearly five hundred yards per game in their last four games one of the most experienced teams in the country nineteen returning stars ars. That's more than any other power five team in the country schedules difficult top ten in terms of difficulty but I look at this U._c._l._A.. Team I certainly lot of winnable games <hes> at U._S.'s certainly winnable where they're only a field goal underdog U._C._l._A. is going to be favored in five or six games and I went out that they pull a couple opposites cheap number here U._c._L._A.. Over five and a half wins Ken five and a half. I'll stay away. I mean I I it's right there. I think think U._C._L._A.. You're putting a lot of trust in during Thompson Robinson and I think that we got to see the kid play here high school wise Bishop Gorman. I'm not sold on him one of the biggest win games R._J.'s probably going to be week. One right now. Yeah U._C._L._A.. Is a three and a half point dog at Cincinnati. I like U._C._l._A.. In that game I will not be Sunday win that game and that's fascinating because on one hand on these over unders it's going to be how good is the teams <hes> based on its number. Versus is your power rating and I'm guessing you think U._C._l._A.'s a little better than the market. I have U._C._l._A.'s top forty team number thirty six on my power ratings but now and what do you think the market has just closer to fifty okay so you got that edge then. What's what's even more fascinating is? There's GonNa be a nate silver fivethirtyeight. Does this for the presidential election. I can't remember the phrase he uses but the concept is what is the likely deciding state as the polling changes changes it usually is going to move across the country in sync though Michigan for example or Pennsylvania might have different interests with the voters in Arizona for example or Virginia Virginia so you're going to have the swing states that are more. Hey this states moving <hes> from red to purple and or I guess blue let me think about that. No Red Republican to purple like an Arizona as the demographics the graphics change on the other hand Pennsylvania went from blue to purple off of trump being strong with the white working class so silver understands you know they got a model for all that much more advanced that I could explain and then based on the polling just imagine you have almost like a a projector with a transparent you know the you know what you're right on there and imagine you're moving over and same based on the polling rolling as you move it left to right the this will be the deciding state assuming the pollings right with these games assuming that the over under generally correct there's GonNa be one or two games that decide if you win the under the over and it strikes me your handicap in those games becomes important because if you have a seventeen point dog or seventeen point favor maybe a teams overrated underrated doesn't really matter all that much but in these handful games that are the deciders you have an extra point or two advantage because you think teams on the radio plus if you like them in that matchup I've never really we heard that discuss with these windows now. It hasn't and you bring up because that was one of my Colin Coward did his top Five College Football Season Win total bets today Brad will be humble not to say but brad contributed a good bit to that segment segment. This is where I go I go to Vegas Coward Global Satellite Network Jay Brad Powers Pregame.com yeah and what I really liked what he did. He took Oregon over Auburn under those two teams play each each other right now auburn's a three point favorite in week one and it makes sense that if you like Oregon over you're gonNA think that they're probably going to win out to now when you bankroll manage. When you have correlation that you gotta be yes that would be the concern because they let you parlay it yeah parley season winters? I love that would be great right. That's that's one of the two games that I said they need to win if they're going to have a shot at the playoff because if they win that game and they win in Seattle Seattle against Washington who's in the north. 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The Insurance Company affiliates and other insurers discount not available in all states or situations now back to R._J.. Bells dream preview all right so cans on a cloth so why don't you why don't we do this. Anything which is theoretical I will hold for for after Ken has to run for his show so Brad you take over. I'll be here but let's rattle through the rest yeah. Let's do one final conference here the S._E._C. K._t.. WHO's your favorite season win total Mississippi soupy state now? I played this at eight and a half. It's down to a pretty much everywhere so I would. y'All WanNa give the number where sorry about that but I'll I'll only give the numbers for me right now. Brad Brad Brads Brad helped me make money on on the best numbers because he's the best there is in college football. There's no question about <hes> but Mississippi state still under eight schedule. Is You know Kinda difficult for them. For Mississippi state I lean with U._K.. Tea and here's why I thought Mississippi State greatly underachieved last year and they had historical great talent on the defensive side of the ball Mississippi state and almost every defensive category was top five. That's not their head coach Joel Moorhead. That's not the side out of a ball. How did they lose a game against? That's all I'm still exactly unbelievable statistical game when you look at defensively how they snuffed out Iowa and they end up losing that game was just crazy lose all four stars on the defensive line. Two of them went in the first round that doesn't happen very often in Mississippi state agree with you K._t.. Lean Mississippi state under eight wins. Do you WANNA go to mind R._J._R.. Do I know what you're what you're S._E._C.. Over under I'm going with Auburn under a wince chance here's my concern with Auber by all indications and here's the thing we got. I mean now you know he's got like twelve minutes. We got what just week one and we got bats right. Yeah we have ten still couple. Okay we have to so do your normal pace. Here should be okay <hes>. I'm going with Auburn under eight wins. The concern that I have for Auburn is by all indications are either GonNa go with a redshirt freshman or a true freshman at quarterback so that's a big negative now looking at Auburn schedule one of the most difficult schedules in the entire country. Let's look at it. I Have Auburn currently and underdog in five games. Remember Season Win. Totals eight at Texas am at Florida at L._S._U.. Georgia at Home Alabama home five games were their dog and we already mentioned there only a short favorite against Oregon and around touchdown favourite against Mississippi state. You're going to need in knows <hes> seven games to pass the season win total audience go to go four and three in those games sweep every other game and this is an Auburn program that even last year lost a game against Tennessee is a two touchdown favorite Gus Malzahn overrated. There's a reason why he's on the hot seat. He's bottom ten in the country against the spread the last five years the head coach of your blindly betting on him twenty four and forty against the number. I'm going Auburn under a win. Their strength is in the trenches on both sides of the ball they have all five offensive linemen coming back including no-go whose outstanding in Harrow but on the Defensive Line Code Brown and Davidson all back as well but that's it I agree with you after that I mean whitlow Martin combination decent out of the backfield receiving core Schwartz Williams okay but like you said freshman quarterback what am I getting there and then defensively secondary Davidson Davison Thomas back with the linebacking core is gone got to replace that totally agree with you. I think Auburn will struggle to win seven games so you batting with me as betting with you okay double best bet that on that one auburn under eight speaking of best bets <hes> seems like both you and I as far as season win totals for this whole podcast both have best bets on the big ten conference. I'll let you lead the way K._T.. Best Bet for you big ten conference season win total and I can't let my wife listen to this podcast back but she hails from just outside of Madison Wisconsin. I been there to Camp Randall. I've had a great time both times that I've went but I'm going Wisconsin under the win total eight and a half. I think this team the win six games maybe seven Kevin and I I know I know I'm being hard on him. Look Paul Chris to me. Loses a ton you lose four of five offensive linemen. One of the starters projected starters had to walk away from the game because of injuries you bring back your center and you bring back one of the best running backs in the country. Maybe the best and Jonathan Taylor but you've gotta have that offensive line and chemistry there continuity to open up those holes you bring in you know quarterback wise. You have a nice freshman. Waiting cone stepped in last year hornibrook transfers. I'm not sold this offense is GonNa score that that much and then defensively you lose your linebacking core. You Lose Dakota Dixon. You lose your main guys on the line I mean this team is struggling big time. I think we like I said I think Wisconsin struggles to win. They're not going to have an easy time the opener at U._S._F.. S._F.. They get central Michigan then they get Michigan at home. That's on the twenty first to September now. If harbaugh loses that game he's in trouble. I know it's on the opposite side. He's east and Wisconsin's West doesn't matter Michigan has too much often should take care of business. This northwestern Wisconsin could win that game. They share about a touchdown favorite beat Kent State Michigan State at home. I think they lose that game at Illinois won't be easy. I think Lovey Smith you know with this. Four Star Five Star kid that he's got quarterback. Wise is coming out of <hes> Missouri. You Know Freshman Kid. I think that kids gonNA present some problems. I liked this Illinois team a little bit to go over there when total at Ohio state not going to win that Game Iowa at home not that's a tough one at Nebraska. I don't see him winning that game purdue we do at home. We'll see what happens with purdue. They have a lot of question marks on the defense but they have one of the best wide receivers in the country <hes> decent quarterback in Sindelar and then at Minnesota. Let's not forget flex team. You know he's got two running backs that have been out the last two years coming back along with Abraham so you have a three headed monster in the backfield. That's no Gimme either. I think Wisconsin again I have them at six and a half is what I would have made their win total. I think they win six or seven games this year bread. You're going to get agreement for me. I also lean with Wisconsin even though I have. Have Wisconsin power rate is the best team in the big ten west. I hate their schedule. If you're pro Wisconsin pull the two best teams from the Big Ten east Dover Ohio State and Michigan and the reality is the big ten west is not a pushover division John Anymore why I mean Kudos to those programs for hiring good solid coaches Minnesota's no longer lamp Wisconsin won fourteen straight over the rival last year that came to an end Minnesota's much better than what they've been and even better this year Nebraska's improving under Scott Cross Jeff Rahm purdue was laughing stock for six seven years in the big ten now Jeff Brom their bull team so I think the rest of the big ten west has gotten better Wisconsin doesn't have that clear separation or the rest of the division and you're pulling the two best teams in the entire the big ten over you get agreement for me Eileen Wisconsin honor eight and a half last thing I'll say about Jeff Brown one of my favorite coaches up and coming the way he spreads things out. Look when you start getting receivers and skill position players the way Joe Tiller did remember remember what Tiller did there with brees and those guys I mean even before that he opened it up. He spread it out. Big Ten was not used to seeing it like that. Just a matter of time before purdue has three or four of those guys because Brom that type coach there's a reason he turned down his Alma Mater in Louisville to stay there in West Lafayette and that's because he sees it as the future and I see him as being another Joe Tiller and having this purdue team up there competing to win the western half every single year again that's Ken taps and best bet under eight and a half wins Wisconsin the big ten my best bet also in the big ten season win total. I'm taking Michigan State over seven halfway now. I will say this lines on the move. You'RE GONNA have to pay a pretty big here but I like it so much. If you get end up getting an eight I'd still go <unk> over the season went total. Here's what I like about Michigan state seventeen returning starters fourth most in the country every single starter back on the offense align all five every single starter back on the defensive line number one rush defense in the entire her country last year a team that only won seven games last year but K._t.. They were banged up lost like fifty five starts to injury so they were much better than their record indicated and here's a Michigan State program when they got a chip on their shoulder there off a disappointing season and they're looking up to likes of Ohio State Michigan Penn State last eight years in the underdog role Michigan State's one half their games and they're only going to be an underdog in three games at Wisconsin. You actually think they can win that game game at Michigan and Ohio State every other Game Michigan State is a favourite and seven of those are by double digits for Michigan State My Best Bet Michigan state over seven and a half wins. Have you got to pay a little bit of living on here. Don't be afraid to lay it and play it. I like Michigan State my favorite season win total moving along we got I just want to tell you I agree with you. Big Time. I actually had it listed thought R._J.. Wanted to from us <hes> from each conference. Oh Michigan State was that that other team will a kiss and Badchi you talking about two studs on defense batch one hundred tackles last year eight guys back on that defensive side of the ball Lewinsky just needs to take care of the ball not force things especially when he's trying to pass the ball on a third and four hundred and five look. He's a blue collar kid. He can take a hit and keep on going. I like the kid I think if if he just doesn't turn the ball over he had eleven interceptions last year cut down on that Michigan State's dangerous not only to go over that win total but to beat Ohio state and to beat Michigan and I know when you're playing in Ann Arbor Michigan State but we saw freaky things happen there a couple years ago. You never know this team like they say defense wins. Championships Michigan State's defense to me one of the best in the country and just to recap double bass. That's double best bet right. You're like it enough to bet several best bet syracuse over six and a half wins double best bet auburn under a wins Double Best Bat Michigan State over seven and a half wins and how about this you. Katie got a nice little bit and you also got a bet with R._J.. On Kansas over under three I know you gotta go here in a second okay and R._J.. Got Me for <hes> the four teams I I'll just give you those four teams member right there on September fourteenth. We have <hes> for the top teams in the country all going on the road Clemson to Syracuse Yep. <hes> Alabama goes to South Carolina. Indiana is at home against Ohio State and Oklahoma goes to U._C._L._A.. So if U._C._l._A. has improved as you think they are. Do you give them a chance to win that game in the in Pasadena I do and but I think the lines fair and I'm not afraid to bet a tonic game of the year lines I did not bet any one of those actually my WanNa be South Carolina Plus Twenty Alabama Bentley in <hes> before they get before you get Outta here. I need one week one from you Katie Week One I took Oregon Against Auburn lost three plus three. It's available. There's some two and a half shop around three. You got to like the experience edge is your quarterback Ryan Deal Herbert coming back yet ten and on the offensive side of the ball including the whole offensive line because Auburn brings back their whole offensive line but you're going to freshman quarterbacks I'm going with the guy that I think is is going to be able to take care of business at a lot of people thought was going to go pro and I thought he was a little bit disappointing down the twilight of the season last year but I expect Auburn Oregon to outscore Auburn and to outscore most teams including Washington in the PAC twelve see I'm neutral now and I think three's a fair line and maybe the look we talk about. You know kind of set in your ways. Maybe I'm a little cautious because I was big on a pack twelve team last year this time of year against Auburn in the season opener I loved Washington. They should have won the ball game or plus the points but I gotTa tell you there was some <hes> early on in that game I don't if it was the speed of the S._e._C. and there was some shock and all at least early in the game last three quarters Washington was better. There's some has inside the tendency I I got security all right so week one for you you're taking and Oregon plus three over Aubert week one for me Best Bet Missouri minus fourteen and a half over a Wyoming team that I think some big trouble here I here's what I see from Missouri. They're arguably one of the best bullies in college. Football Honor Barry Odem their head coach last four years. They've been a double digit favourite eleven times. They've won all eleven of those games. They've covered nine of those eleven games by an average of two touchdowns per game average score fifty five to sixteen. Oh Yeah Missouri's got a new quarterback. This year was something of a chip on his shoulder. Kelly Bryant. I think Missouri runs it up on an overmatched Wyoming team Missouri minus fourteen and a half week one for me disagree with them and if you're GONNA go to Laramie might as well be August thirty first baby. It's going to be nice whether they're now but there's two ways to look at that Laremy right altitude in haven't we seen Denver in the N._F._l.. When they host the game in the first two weeks year there's so much better because the team's dot in game shape yet so isn't that a disadvantage it is disadvantaged but I've seen to power five teams go into layer me the last two years Oregon and Washington state and they've walked away with three touchdown plus victories? There's just too much of a town disparity. <hes> by the way you were talking about. How Missouri did in week one? Was that your dog just as they double digit favorite so or profound coaches profile and coaches is he unwilling to whole in the whole span of that is the same coach same samp coach for years eleven times w favourite he's covered the spread by an average of two touchdowns per game so think about that guy same coach means the thing that matters is the mentality is a big favourite is the same and the sample size is small but when you look look at A._T._S. margin you can mitigate the small sample exactly all right by the way can I decided. I'm not gonNA play the Kansas against you okay. Here's why this is backing you up I have or he's gone now the deep connections at Kansas the A._D.. Zinger was a lame duck and when they fired or for quite a while he got fired I think in March or whatever of last year and they knew a hundred and thirty eight percent that the coach was not going to be around but they were in such upheaval with their budget and all that they said listen. We got another buy out there. I mean they got Prince. They get all this or I'm sorry I am thinking. Stay there but they've got enough by outs to worry about whereas it was pretty much. You coaches season yet. Maybe if you go to bowl game. We're going to reconsider this will be your last season. The whole program understood it was a lame duck doc situation for the in even when he got fired for the head coach so whatever talent they have. I don't think last year was representative and I still want three games because it was so it was such a disruptive environment because let's be honest with you eighteen or nineteen. It's a substitute teacher of that. You know this guy is going to be gone the whole year. How seriously are you going to take it so I think whatever talent they have is going to forget? If less miles was just average and in theories better other than that. I think that this team will do better than you think because we're comparing it to last year right yeah. Reinstatement of Puka Williams was big. That's the only reason I went over now. You still gotta buy with me. We got a new best bats right. We did them Oh you. Did you play blossom awesome. I didn't play blossom within. How can you do a best buy? I don't know what don't you have a bonus bad of spat on the Heisman Don. I do I so can we'll we'll see you again before the season okay and I thought you excel today. I appreciate that so sports X.. Radio is the show and we'll talk to you soon. Buddy appreciate you brad powers. I you were the man as far as college. Football can does not give complementary I feel during the season and I can hope but as far as prior to the season and just throughout the year nobody better than Brad powers well and we have a highs invest back on visa heisman best bet for me. Let me I I have three rules. When it comes to heisman bedding they WANNA want and I'll get to my best bet I so I oh let's <hes> we have? I think we should limit three mentions a calendar year now that we're getting a little way from it but you've given the first year right off the turn of trump trap trucks did your farm produce turnips now no turnups sugar beets. Are you serious back in the day twenty years ago but when you just pulled into town on the sugarbeet drought you show up over to E._S._p._N.. Vegas and you give us Ohio state over. That's impressive but what else well I reckon. I'll tell you Lamar Jackson accent. Oh no no no. This is a haystack. This is you okay. This is not that much what I've been told hundred to one Lamar Jackson won the heisman. That's my sleeper four yards. Yeah that was true to find that audio. Oh it's we got it all right now the next year. What did you do I went bryce love one hundred to one and he got second? Wow that would have been nice. I think they would have like for the long shots like a finalist pay off. Some offshore books do like wanted and then last year I had a couple I mean nothing did well though no I I ended up with Kyla Murray Twenty five to one you want it. How many did you bet three? What were the three Twain Haskins who finished third? He was twenty five thirty two one Jake Browning was thirty five to one he didn't he had three between twenty five and thirty five to one and now you've won two out of three years now. We're not going to give them all to you in fact I'm I'm GonNa tell you undocked to give like a second or third peck. Okay we gotta keep them string him along. I just got one right now for well okay and straight OUTTA vague and by the way I'm I'm. I mean this went longer. I loved it because the guys were so great but we're GONNA hold the N._B._A.. Talk for next week because let's be can next couple of weeks. Good topics are going to be hard to come by so we'll get some R._J.. Stories we're talking about Brad's loud life. We were talking about Brad's level I for national radio and and I got to tell you the response was through the roof. I mean some woman groups are thinking protesting Brad but but just in general a lot of interest a lot of interest it's not necessarily a lot of action but a lot of interest speaking of action or the cowboy boots cowboy hat walked around bought action that we a lot of action back back next week Steve so throughout the month of July and August will give the heisman best bats as you think they present themselves also straight out of Vegas. I gotTa tell you guys we're hitting our stride ed because the question is it has to be high energy. It can't be too complex but we're finding that balance of given the very best vegas stuff in an understandable way and then applying the Vegas perspective if to the big stories of the day in a way quite frankly no one else dies or can lease in my experience so if you haven't lessened Fox sports radio two hundred stations if you got it live in your local market six six eastern three Pacific great or podcast or search R._J.. Bell also you can get this win. Subscribe on your favorite platform that you listen to pod or the iheartradio APP or Fox sports radio DOT COM think about it. It is Dan Patrick Colin Cowherd Doug Gottlieb and then Brad powers. I mean that that is where that what do you mean that is where we are right right now and all joking aside Brad is the most imp- I mean let's he was fine last year. This guy is a hugh the same kind of energy he puts into his college. Handicapping shopping is what he puts into pretty much everything he does accept dating and that's a whole different thing but the but the fact that but the fact of the matter is to be candid you see it in the performance. I mean one when he took over as host. When I went to get my kit Kat I mean it was in coke? Zero was just like smoothie self. This guy is going to be hosting shows and he's done it and let's be candid. He's not funny but this isn't comedy. Eddie comedies a bonus but the info from his guy especially when he gets a counterpunch and not have to host elite and his presentation elite and <hes> you know listen we bust balls more than we do anything and because that's what you know competitive people tend to do and when I hear guys that worked for the same company always love in each other. It's like it feels fake. Well you know with me the main main complaint I give them too hard from the boys too hard on fabric when I give a compliment. I think you know I mean at Brad Not only obviously Alita College. He's a worker and this is a guy. I can't imagine how good he's going to be in ten ten years at all the things he's doing so. We're lucky to have them. We'll have them for I don't know are you going to be gutsy enough to <hes> to go into the N._F._l.. Waters this year you think I think so <hes> he doesn't seem confident there. Maybe I was just like maybe I was playing him up to try to get him into the how that's why you know what I think. Is Your really your under undiscovered greatness as N._F._O.. handicapper that people we'll tell me is what I'm saying and he's he's actually say you're N._F._l.. Better and exactly my college well first off in any length of time all going to be best in a short period it might but I still think you're probably better than facet better me better matty holds. I think this year you should just bat would ever yeah just go with your trust your gut but all joking aside. This guy is a calmer and we're lucky to have them now. All that said you got your roles those three simple rules when it comes to betting the heisman. This is the one area the prop where it's okay to bet longshots eight of the last ten heisman winners have been twenty two one or greater meaning twenty five to one thirty one one hundred one if you're Lamar Jackson Eight last ten twenty to one or greater in the preseason. It's a quarterback award <unk> rule number. Two sixteen of the last nineteen winners of Eisman have been a quarterbacks if you're not betting a cornerback please do so don't be betting wide receivers and running backs quarterback award finally number three rule banning the heisman has to play on a highly rated team average regular season wins for this team that went on the player that wins eisman eleven so he's typically on a team that goes eleven to one maybe ten and two maybe twelve or no so I only have right now in the marketplace one guy that fits these three criteria. He's a twenty. I don't WanNA grader. He's a quarterback and he plays on a team. That's gotTa Season Win Total and at ten and a half eleven range and he's the quarterback for Georgia shake from twenty two one two year starter one of the most efficient quarterbacks in the country three each last two years. George is going to be favored in all twelve games this year I have number three in my power ratings and I gotta say this year R._J.. Too overwhelming favorites too and traver quarterbacks or Clemson and Alabama but the heisman lately lately are Jay has become kind of what have you done for me lately and if you're winning these big games you know early on in the season Georgia has won primetime against Notre Dame at home and if you're maybe winning a big game late maybe jake frahm finally gets over that Alabama hop sometimes the writers tend to go with you know the hot quarterback the hot name and Jake from could be that quarterback this year Jake from twenty to one heisman favorite bet right now okay couple questions one does he have to beat Alabama to win <hes> probably and what's the current number on that they don't play each other okay so then when you say get over the Hump. Where did you mean well? They're GONNA in a problem most likely play each other and S._e._C. Championship Game Okay and we saw basically to underperform in that game and basically lose the heisman that day okay so I could see if they make the champion. If each make the championship Game Alabama Georgia and some high scoring forty eight forty five in Alabama wins. I think the Georgia quarterback could win easy if anything it might be better for him as he was the guy he was drawn. elway ask fighting against the whole not was better. He was the one you know so I kinda like they don't play during the regular season 'cause if they got beat in week five right Yup that's interesting and I also think the idea that what have you done for me. Lately lately is more that the new cycles are so repetitious or so. Many of them is repetition repetition yeah. Is there so many of them that you get bored. It doesn't matter how big the story is you get. Board we got bored with too YEP. That's what happened. I mean there's no rhyme or reason that he was ninety percent and underperformed. If the assumption was one under performance is going to cause them to lose then he wouldn't have been ninety percent right and I think I think it's the other side of the coin about where you don't need to be known before the season and we we always talk about the Thrill Hill example with am Kenny Hill so right after tell the story right after he goes on throws. Johnny football is one of the year before one two years prior okay but he was replacing Johnny Football. <hes> Kenny Hill goes out first game throws five touchdown pass E._S._p._N.. Game against South Carolina and all of a sudden he's in the top five of the heisman not even really early listed top five in the heisman Jameis Winston and Johnny just to be clear. What one game for the one game he was even like he was in the field? Yup Are GonNA field same thing with Jameis Winston couple years prior primetime game against Pittsburgh on Labor Day night right not in the in the field as far as the heisman goes out throws four or five touchdown passes. He becomes top five favourite after one game and now so what we're saying is if it were today when the new cycle even from five years ago whatever were the news cycle moves even faster if you do that on opening day and continue playing well chances are someone's going to have a monster in week eight or nine and maybe you get passed by or in this case literally the last last week at a C._N._n.. So to me this is a long shot. It's almost like the Qui- Bat Toronto in obviously the Lakers were the two favorites but we really don't know like we're so used to know he hears a concept. I haven't really discussed fully because I don't fully grasp it yet. Such a large percentage of our bats is was so much known information when the the steelers play the Ravens. We know almost everything now. It's just interpreting the information when the information isn't known like what Qu is going to do heat who knows if he knew who know anything we still act as if have would ever wherever the evidence points is going to be a big favourite just again a game like the steelers and Ravens the evidence is going to give us a strong opinion but when your information is so much weaker in general when you know oh a lesser percentage of one hundred percent we still have an instinct to thinking whatever we decide with his weaker evidence is just as strong as an opinion and the heisman to me is a perfect example. You've got all this evidence but by definition initiative you're saying I'm playing twenty two one better because I don't really know I want to have a portfolio five or six. I mean if if you had five twenty five to one guys it's effectively a five to one bet that that bundle is one of the Bundles GonNa win and that's why you WanNa have a portfolio but all of them longshots because anytime a player becomes closer to a favor. It's the market miss assessing assessing how certain the evidence allows you to be. That's no that is now and and think about those e certain type of bats. The Long Shot comes in ordinance amount of town lame see blurry gave the in dreams or did yeah we did I gave you is talking about the great one R._J.. Bell all right. I mean I didn't say it. What am I supposed to? Thanks for hitting the button there Brad <laughter> anytime last question about this when you say you have to have a winning team what does that mean because it strikes me. Now is a non playoff is it almost got to be a playoff team. Yeah you gotTa have a national national title contender more often than not but not always but I will crack nine him wrong. The heisman voting happens when compared to the college football final four being sat. It happens 'cause it's the if I'm not stake in the as a week later. Write a week later but you can still vote on a heisman championship week which is the last. The last Games are played so a week before the heisman you can still get you can still really there is no such thing as a contender. It's as much when you're in the playoff. Yes all right so well the deadlines before they announced the playoffs yeah but but yes so the might be five team. Usually there's a fifteen. Maybe that's Kinda in it or at least competitive additive to get in it so you're saying it's got to be one of the five best teams Yep okay and thus we're back to this George Anita Win I but we're also back to hey if they lose a close one in their undefeated coming in they probably are the fifth stand Dan. Oh yeah so yeah so it's it's but so every so last year your three guys that you picked where they all projected to be on top five teams. They're all top ten Washington. I was higher in Washington in the market six preseason fifth or sixth market Hatami eight or nine so it's interesting how there's a lot of correlation here because on one hand if you're high on the team you're GONNA think they're taught five material when others might not and number two you're only going to win the Heisman if your player in this case to quarterback plays exceptionally well and if he plays exception while the odds of them being in the top five go so there's really a lot if then's here but they're all correlated related to if you're right about this guy's going how in the team's top twelve tight team the chance of being taught five goes up Yep all right anything else. Oh that's it for me pretty interesting stuff Brad powers again on twitter and he puts his stuff out a good bit. It gets a list Someti- There's still little hit you know we had a compliment for gets a little worked up when people challenge him on twitter you think Oh yeah yeah you think you're improving on that yeah. I'm trying hi Ron. How do you think about it? Well I think I do you ever think that you know this person would would trade anything to be you because that's probably the way to think about it yeah. I shouldn't think I don't think about that enough. I still have I still have this chip on my shoulder fighting fighting again but see the thing is the chip shot drive your energy that you put into work yeah it shouldn't drive the energy you put into twitter beefs true and it it really is an interesting point. When do you ever see anyone of any consequence in in twitter beefs I can you I mean let's think of media? Could you imagine Stephen a Smith now. Oh I haven't seen it. I mean Stephen on twitter like arguing with somebody cream Colin arduous and people on Twitter Kirk herbstreit. He's done it well for well first off. Let's see wh- what was the call and Situation Oh he's fine. He's like you know laughed at fans for questioning him and stuff like okay so that's on twitter beef that's true. That's a hit and run yes and like I said Stephen a no way by here you're R._J.. Bell I E so I mean that's the way to be now. Listen if someone above you meaning media standing whatever if they to here's the way I approach it the right way if someone is it's been an evolution. If someone who you could imagine deserves respect and to me that's any if someone asked sincere question and I look at it and and that's what I mean is I don't get a chance to look at every reply just as you know oh as the numbers go up and moving towards two hundred K.. There's so many of them. I don't get to read everyone but I read pry eighty five percent. I try to read them. If someone asks respect for question I don't care if they have eight followers and it's an egg <hes> in the picture. I am going to answer once if I ever respond after like chocolate vanilla chocolate vending that stuff is in you know there's no point to that right. Now is if they reply with a valid question question like clarify that or this seems incongruent or whatever I'll go back and forth until I feel like it's resolved because I'm learning something if they're really asking because I either I'm wrong or I'm expressing addressing something in a confusing way but to me once repetition starts. That's the time to check out Tom. Hey we've talked this through reasonable. People disagree that I think one that respects backs everyone who asks a question and to I think it can be a learning experience but when it's opinions being debated like as if they're facts that's when you're wasting time or in my opinion <hes> what used to happen to me more. It doesn't as much as I the haters Kinda realized that I've escaped. I've reached escape velocity and nothing they do or say really can mean anything to me at this point that meaning my career. Could you Imagine Fox Sports Radio Gone Yeah. We got him calling Gottlieb R._J.. And Brad but <hes> you know there. Was this one guy on twitter. That doesn't like R._J.. I wonder what we should do. Come on right so that's kind of stop for me but you're going to get that attention is you're trying to reach escape velocity. They're they're going to try to bring you down so and again. It's just human nature because there are you you know what's funny. Usually the worst haters or the smartest haters like there's not the dumb haters. Don't get any traction so maybe they keep hating but who's you know if someone's misspelling words. I mean how much how you know how seriously gonNa take but it's when someone's bright that isn't having the same success as you and that's the thing about this. There's the banning success and there's the media success and you've got a lot of batters that just aren't smart enough or self-aware may be more likely to understand what game they're playing. It's back to this idea of what is the rules are the rules of your game for for you. Your plan two games at once. You're a batter and you're also a media personality and the question is going to be in. We talk about this at least once a month. How much energy you put into one how much you put in the other now? Brad always going to be expert at the things he he talks about. That's the thing it's not about. Oh should I enter into this radio. Show this podcast without the proper knowledge. The question is how wide of a scope should that knowledge be so with fantastic he decided. Did you know years ago. I'm only going to originate in the N._F._l.. And N._B._a. for the most part and otherwise I'm GonNa lean on guys like Brad. I'm GonNa have my opinion on college but it's not going to be as informed as a guy like Brad Brad. You're the same thing in the N._F._l.. Ah You know some would say but again. You might be able to transcend that so I think you're N._F._l.. Is Awesome but paint wink wink <laughter> yeah but the fact of the matter is a lot of in here's the thing you cannot forget. There are some brilliant batters that aren't making a ton of money 'cause the market's getting tougher and tougher and you know. I haven't read it yet. I missed the first time did you see the ring or had thing on the death of a pro batter or some I have yeah it was about a month ago almost but <hes> I just saw it in another thread and I missed it the first time but you know the basic I promise from what I could gather is hey listen the William Hills of the world. They don't want pros and who effectively does not manny and thus it's going to be like blackjack. Once you get good enough to get band is when you get band so oh doesn't mean that if you have a huge operate that's the thing you got. I think this is going to be the one man to man shops. Don't really work anymore. which going to work is the syndicates? Even if it's a smaller syndicate as a five six seven people all sharing information all put money in the pool but now they got enough resources to have like two executor's if you have two people full-time all they're trying to do is get accounts then now so if the other five or doing other things and maybe it's not maybe it's four people because I think the executions at least half of the game now not just getting the best number but being able to get down at all and that's what they're expert at. is they got a he. My Buddy in Jersey can come back around and try to get in these four books or whatever or my Buddy Jersey can go walk up at the window right forgetting the whatever the state and I'm not recommending this whatever the wire act laws are or whatever you gotta check but if you WanNa follow the letter of the law but to me the one guy you know that's why physics in his boots and his stuff is you know he half of the books even vague is either have banned the end him or restricted him restriction for example being at stations. I think he said and I'm certainly said he gets about once a day. He bats stations. He can come out once he can make as many as you want at the you know the limits I gave him but if twenty minutes later he sees a number they do not want him picking them off all day okay. How much does that hinder him there? I'd say at least fifty percent of his return on investment is hindered or damp and because of that and then you get situations where someone's limits are so low I mean this is a game of volume if you're batting five hundred and you have a ten percent R._O._I.. It's fifty bucks you about five thousand five hundred question is how much can you get get down. It's it's very difficult so what I'm encouraged by and what you should be encouraged by in the listening world in the audience. This is the idea that as the physics of the world have more and more trouble getting down. They're going to make the media part of their career a bigger percentage of the pie because they can make money that way two and it doesn't mean there's no one that he listened. I'm sure there's GonNa be someone on twitter that talks about the eighteen different ways they get down and how they have a little mini group and I'm not saying it's does. I'm not saying they haven't cracked the code. I'm saying they probably spend band a significant portion of the time worrying about getting down and the question is if you partner with someone like that you gotta try. That's the thing about these partnerships ships. It's not I mean who's holding the money right who's collecting and if there's even a one in one hundred chance that they're going to leave with the whole bankroll or forty percent of it and then they get their half the other however it works all of a sudden now where does that fit into the risk model because anyone that's ever bet any real money with any group will tell you about half the time. There's some catastrophe at some point point. It doesn't matter if it's a year for an hour three years from now. If you lose you know fifty K. of bankroll. How much money did you make over those years without you know? 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National Championship Clemson vs. LSU Betting Preview & Picks with Thor Nystrom January 10, 2020

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National Championship Clemson vs. LSU Betting Preview & Picks with Thor Nystrom January 10, 2020

"Overpaying the Book Dot Com. We'll have you fully prepared for the National Championship game by previews already up. We got some stuff from Alan Moody and once we get more bedding stuff out there. I'll have some articles articles for you this week at with my favorite props for the game as well as player props and maybe some of the novelty stuff as well daily. Nhl Daily College basketball daily NBA BA previews for all four divisional round games in the NFL playoffs additional NFL. Contact coming your way makes you Dany Borg's this. NFL model projections for this this weekend as well but as you know this in every edition of Bang Radio presented by our friends over at the sports book BTV The number two hundred is that Promo Code hundred percent positive match. sportsbook hundred percent deposit match bonus for the live casino at GSI. It's only game until you bet it couple of guests on the program here today and we start with or NYSTROEM from Rodeo will allow world thought great you back on the show man. Happy to have you with me. How's everything going? It's going great at great to be here. That's awesome to have you back on the show man and Like I said you know it's good timing here with clubs at Lsu the National Championship Game Gabe on Monday night down in New Orleans a lot of five and a half out there in the offshore market a lot of brick and mortar sitting on six. I read your preview over Rhett wrote a world which is absolutely phenomenal. By the way you think you ideal yeah we can jump right in I. I like Clemson uh-huh and I hope you can get sick but I honestly I I don't I don't need the points personally. I I think the wrong team is favourite here. I I don't know what your thoughts are but that those those are mind I'll just start right out with that. You talked about this in her previewed. Some we've talked about on the show here. I mean before the semi-finals club since a favorite in this hypothetical title match up even with Lsu getting your the nod for this game being in New Orleans Clemson's a favourite going into the semi-finals after one game all the sudden LSU issue five and a half or six. It's an overreaction to be sure it really is it's a recency bias thing for sure it's just that You know in terms of the match up. You know when you when you go in on paper I I tend to focus more on on that stuff than some of these ancillary things that you're seeing on on television and stuff like this us and when you dig into the match ups that the things that actually matter once we start getting into the into the game when the when the when the bullets are flying and stuff like this. I just think that the things that Clemson does they're going to give. LSU A lot of problems when we get onto the field. And I think all you have to do is flipped flipped the clock back one year when we went to last year's title game and I talk a lot about that in the column that you guys can read a wrote a world but just go back to last year's title title Game Against Alabama and what Brent Venables and Clemson's defense did to now obviously Clemson's defense personnel wise is a bit different sprint this year but the things that venables does on defense and again I talk a lot about this in the column and I'm talking schematically. I think they're going to give Joe Borough a lot of problems problems on Monday night. I'm talking about things like this guy's coverages replacer blitzes things that he does to confuse. The quarterback pre snap polls snap and thinks he does to confuse the offensive line. Thinks he does to to change his his defensive pieces around and stuff. I like that He. He's GonNa do things to confuse the quarterback to jit just different stuff like that I I I think he's going to do stuff to disrupt the timing of Borough Confused Confused Borough. We can talk about how that's going to manifest as far as the player props go You know with regards to specific players. LSU's passing game. But I think that's the way that you disrupt. LSU's passing game. And that's the way that you take down. LSU's entire offense that's the way that you beat Lsu. I just think this is a really bad match four. Lsu well and I think too and you look back to the semifinal game against Ohio state and Ohio state broke some big runs in the first half of that game they had a few situations nations fields kinda threw it up and a wide receiver made a big play. You know quite frankly. I mean that was sort of the Justin fields passing attack over the course of the season. I'll say it's wide receivers. Zuber's ran really really good routes got separation and if it was a fifty fifty ball they came down with it and once clemson started making those adjustments minutes later in the second quarter and of course in the second half they did confuse fields. Filled wasn't mobile. He had the knee injury. He was kind of hampered a little bit playing left handed as they like to say. And it showed. And maybe if Dobbins doesn't go out Ohio state still wins that game maybe LSU needs to run the football on Clemson maybe Edward C layer our needs to have a big game for them but once they confused Justin field. I don't think it's as cerebral of a quarterback Joe Borough. I don't think he's as good of a passer as Joe Borough but what's they gave fields. Those different looks he struggled and we'll see if they do that right right at the beginning of the game against borough or something they incorporate as the game goes goes along but that chess match that psychological chess match between borough and really vegetables is probably the key to this game. I would agree with that. And and yeah. Nobody's better at the adjustments than venables and swamp and Sweeney. And nobody's better at going going into the Games aims but you know when you know particularly with with the adjustments. If things aren't going well initially they will figure it out as things go along. Ohio state obviously Ohio state in terms of plus heading into that game they were the number one team in the nation. I think perceptually I talk about this in the column. I think people forget this you know talking about the perception of the line yes. LSU dominated Oklahoma and yes it was difficult for Clemson to put away Ohio state but heading into that game. Ohio state was the number one S P plus team in the nation whereas Oklahoma. Probably you know in hindsight didn't deserve to be in the playoff field and so we're talking about sort of different You know things the national championship game. Maybe should have been clemson against Ohio state. In hindsight you know like after you know those may have been the two best teams in the nation. You you you know what I mean Adam like it at the end of the day. So Dash is sort of like how I'm seeing some of those different things. Do you know what I mean. Yeah absolutely zooey. I mean that's the thing. Is that a lot of people kind of looked at the semi-finals and said well Clemson Ohio. Status is more of a national championship game than it is a semi-final and I think to you have this perception of Lsu they blew out Georgia in the SEC championship. Game and my contention is I. Don't think Georgia was that good defensively. Ridley Georgia was great ostensibly. They weren't that good. I mean obviously. They had some questions on the office of line. Whatnot Jake FROMS NOT GONNA go out there and hang a bunch of points i-in Lsu? Trevor Lawrence can justin fields probably would have been able to jake from. I don't think he's that great of a quarterback and obviously we'll see you you know what he where he winds up going draft but you can poke a lot of holes at Lsu and maybe. That's unfair because I know people are GonNa say the same thing as well Clemson. Didn't and play a Georgia Clemson in play anybody in the regular season I understand that also cross just about everybody that they played so they did what they had to do for the most part to get to this point and I agree the reasons by a series of LSU waxing Georgia of LSU blowing out Oklahoma it's caused a pretty big ripple in this number and the ironic thing about all of it is Ohio state. Beat three top fifteen teams in a row going into the semi-final they were still an underdog against Clemson. Yeah exactly and then I mean Clemson I mean a lot of things went wrong for Clemson in that game and they still managed to win that game even though they had to wide receiver injuries. Even though Ohio state and they're awesome secondary manage two arrays as those receivers with those injuries. Trevor Lawrence found away venables in double found a way. They found a way they found a way to beat perhaps apps what was maybe the best team in the nation. If they weren't and I guess the way that I see this game if Ohio state wasn't the best team in the nation into me Clemson was and I guess. I just see this game different than the Public Betas does or whoever you know is is informing this lineup. Ah Joe Public. What isn't because to me? LSU Is not six points better than the Clemson in a vacuum. I I think the Clemson is is the better team in a vacuum. And it doesn't have to do with this idea of like you know just because Clemson is battle-tested or championship whatever. It doesn't have anything to do with that and it doesn't have to do with you know LSU with recency bias or anything like that it just has to do with You know it just has to do with personnel and with with coaching staffs and stuff like that and it has to do with Lake doc number base things and stuff like that and I just think that Clemson is a better match up on paper for specifically for Lsu. I think that the thing that Clemson it does so well is the thing that they're best at is taking away passing attacks we see it over and over and over again and this year's team is number one in numerous Pass defense categories both conventionally and in advance stats like you you look at like the s P plus stats You know and again and the the conventional stats like that you know passer rating against Conventional the conventional passed out defense Pass defense but also like you know the the the regular S. P. Plus advanced pass defense metrics there also number wanted in numerous ones are those and again they have awesome Defenders back there they have they have multiple guys in the secondary that are going onto the NFL but they also have venables whose disguised coverages and the way that they do that these replacer blitzes it. It just next level like venables is I can't say enough about him and the other thing I want to talk about in an atom you and I last year and I have to give you a lot of credit for this. I don't want to blow smoke up your but last year. You talked a lot about Isaiah Simmons on this podcast. We were talking about props heading into that Alabama game. Am You you brought up by J Simmons and we talked about Simmons on this podcast. A lot in Isaiah. Simmons went absolutely ballistic in that game last year. I think Isaiah Simmons is going to have a lot to say on Monday night and I think Isaiah Simmons I think that they are gonNa sick him on just Jefferson just just in Jefferson you know LSU. Just talk about schematics. I I want to get into specifics. A little bit. You know we sort of been talking Generali's a little bit. I WANNA get into specifics. A little bit in terms in terms at the scheme. LSU traditionally these these past many years. They've had this sort of run. First offense it's been sort of turn back the clock etc and then this year they go spread. They're throwing a ton and yet they're they're top five in the nation. A lot of these offensive efficiency categories. and You wonder you're like how can they be throwing the ball so much and yet they skyrocketed in all the efficiency categories and they're also explosive and stuff like that but how how did they get so efficient so fast despite you know throwing so much more well a part of it is The the they have this big slot and just in Jefferson and he can just abused these. He's Khalid the small collegiate slot guys because you know in the NFL. There's more cornerbacks to go around. You know you have better slots in the NFL but in college allege you do not have that many defensive backs to go around you. Most college programs do not have really good slot cornerbacks. That's typically where your your you're worse cornerbacks going. Typically were the run to the litter is going unfortunately for Lsu. Clemson has a guy that I like to call it Simmons and they are going going to be able to put him in the slot against Jefferson. Jefferson had I put this in my column but he had ninety one or ninety. Two percent of his his his snaps came in the slide. Now this is just my posh chelation because venables does a billion different things with Isaiah. Simmons you can I mean they. They list him at linebacker so he plays they're they. They can play him at safety. They can play him deep They put him off the edge sometimes and then he also plays in the slot. You can I mean like I say he's listed at linebacker when the buck is but you can play him literally anywhere I refer to him as a nullah fire I think it is misleading leading to call him a a linebacker. But in this game what I would do I would just say hey. LSU You know the Justin Jefferson thing how you guys could just throw it to him and get first downs whenever you want. He's going away so so in this game Justin Jeff. He's going away because we are just putting. We're GONNA put Simmons on him so so sorry about that and then as far as Jomar chase goes we're GONNA put Moland on him on the outside or six foot one. NFL Corner and then we're going to have double team. Help over the top ballgame. So how'd you like that. That and then I I suppose on the other side with Tariffs Marshall who right now has an injury and as a couple of days ago. We weren't sure he was gonNA play. I guess. Se is now but you know he's he's not one hundred percent I suppose you can throw to him more but You're you're Nicole winner chase. He's going to be double team the whole game. We're going to have one of the best defenders in college football just harassing Jefferson. The whole time. We're going to have venables. He for the past couple of weeks. He's just been cooking up. The craziest disguise looks ever for for Joe Borough and we're just going to do that. And we know that you guys can't default back to running it just like Obama last year old in the you guys don't have breath the multiple I mean like Bam if you were going to perceive that a team could default back to the run game more you would have perceived the Alabama could do that got more effectively than this. Lsu Team this Lsu team is more top heavy. I think Alabama team was I think this Lsu team you hinder that passing assing attack. Like I said in the column you shoot the blimp out of the sky. You Know Auburn earlier this season I think they they were one of the teams that came closest to doing it almost beat Lsu. I think if if Clemson's able to do that at all I think that they're going to give them a lot of problems and I think Isaiah Simmons in particular if he's able to Jefferson order the game and they do a lot of the double teams with with chase and they start to confuse borough. I just think that gives. LSU offense a lot of problems. Well let's look at this in terms of the College Football playoff semifinal. You WanNa talk about a player that sort of almost a chameleon like he can play a bunch. Gotcha different roles Sean Wade for state. You'll before Sean Wade got ejected from that targeting call Clemson had no points and four point three yards per play hi this coming from. ESPN stats and Info after the targeting. Call after he got kicked out of the game. clemson eight point four yards per play twenty nine nine points. CLEMSON's got three or four shot. Wade's back there. In the secondary of guys that can blitz guys that can cover the outside guys that can be a slot corner guys can be out there disguise themselves in zone something like that. Ohio State lost that Guy Against Clemson. They lost a lot on defense. Clemson has multiple of shot wade types of players. And that's what makes us venables defense so good and why they're able to adjust so much. Have those guys back there in the secondary or hybrid types the players where they can line up anywhere and be effective and having a guy like Simmons gives you that Opportunity Having Taylor music and either follow Edward. C layer or provide. Help over the top gives you that opportunity. They've got so many guys back there that they can just do so many different things with and that's what borough has to figure figure out and all of the sudden here and again no the. Sec Is God's chosen conference in this and that and it's got your the greatest recruiting classes for the most part all the sudden those those LSU big physical athletic wide receivers are looking in the mirror when they lined up against Clemson and that was some guy talked about going into the Ohio state. Clemson game the closest also these two teams get to playing their respective talent levels was in practice. And that's how that game played out. This is a wakeup call for Lsu. I know they play in the SEC. And this and that Alabama moved it on them. Alabama couldn't stop him but Alabama moved in autumn. Clemson the best defense. And that's something I think is going to show up here in the first half of this game and very much in the second half as venables makes his adjustments. Yeah I mean I yeah I mean we can jump to. LSU's defense or now that LSU's defense is is is a big riddle for me. And I think that's that's the hardest thing for me to figure right now. I think there's one part of the handicap. That was really tough for me. It's figuring out. LSU's defense. I think it's really only instructive to talk about it since you know. Basically the the middle of November so like going back to the Bama Game divinity left Michael Divinity left the team after the that Auburn game. And then you had the Alabama game was a disaster and a debacle. You had to a probably shouldn't have been playing. You know he was. He was hurt hurt. He couldn't run out of the pocket he had that fumble early in the game where he was just scrambling towards the goal line. The fumbled without getting touched Because he was afraid to make cuts his velocity Austin was affected because he couldn't step into throws and yet dangerous ripped up. LSU His his receivers were getting separation. The whole game like the running lanes were wide open. It was easy for them to move the ball down the field next week against Ole Miss. LSU could not stop like the. Ah John Paul Plumlee. The quarterback ran for over two hundred yards and Lsu gave up Dang near four hundred yards rushing like there was major your major issues on on on defense but so these were the first two games that this veteran linebacker Michael Divinity had left the team and then all of a sudden it was like. Snap your fingers in the last four games. LSU's defense was all of a sudden awesome They they went on this crazy run. Where the last four games I think they allow? It was sixteen points per game. The first game was against Arkansas. You SORTA Todd said Oh it but the last three games was very very impressive. Texas am them Georgia and then of course Oklahoma and now you know I talk about this in the column Michael Divinity is coming back now and and he's going to start in the dime package and what the coaching staff was talking about. A lot of it had to do with divinity coming back to help out the pass rush. Well well now now. This is sort of playing armchair psychologist a bit but you know. LSU's best pass rusher. Sure and one of their top pearl prospects is. Is this guy named chase on. You know. Everybody knows about chase on Jason's a freak and he's you know he was he he's been the guy that NFL draft guys like myself talked about for awhile now. Just this this edge freak chase on's ascendance has happened well divinity has been away from the team on on this sabbatical. It's been this has been the best stretch of his career. He has he had a couple of sacks against Oklahoma and I think he has is three and a half sacks over the last three or four games. or so. And this happens to coincide with this awesome run that Lsu has had on defense here over the last four. The Games are so what. I'm wondering is if divinities absence had anything to do with chase on sort of ascendants here at the end of the season I and if chase on descendants had anything to do with. LSU's defense suddenly taking off. It may or may not but to to me. I don't know if I would have taken the chance of allowing divinity to come back to the team particularly if that had anything to do with like. Oh let's bring in divinity back so that we can improve the pass rush because to me if you finally have chase on playing the best football of his career and this might be chase on probably is Jason's last game I would just let chase onto all that like I. The the point I made in my column is I wouldn't let divinity take Even one pass rushing opportunity from chase on. I wouldn't let his presence affect the game plan in that regard at all and so so my concern is just that like whatever for sort of formula whatever sort of alchemy that that had formed in his absence. I'm Joe I was just sort of concerned a little bit. That him coming back that it could Disrupt that at all I. It's it's not any sort of disrespect to divinity at all. Obviously the the first Games in his absence you know he there. There is a sort of proof of concept of his value just in the the defensive cratered those two games but after that it was just sort of like they found themselves and chase on sort of lake found himself I again. I don't know if I'm playing armchair psychologist with that. But I just have this sort of this weird feeling about it. You know what I mean. Oh yeah absolutely and I mean this is one of those games where your margin for error is so small that you want to the out there and maybe he will have an impact. Maybe he'll he will wind up making a big play. But you don't want to do so at the expense of anything that chase on and you wonder if Dave rant will have the right game plan for that and again I mean this this is why when you talk about teams like this. The elite level teams and really. There are three of them in college football this year. LSU Clemson Ohio state from a talent standpoint Alabama's Alabama's number four and you'll maybe they should have been in the playoff. Who knows? Obviously they didn't have the resume for it. But you know they're the fourth most talented team in the country. The game like this where you don't have that big athletic edge you don't have that big talent edge that you have in every other game that you play. It comes down to schematics. It comes down to coaching. It comes down to you know having players that do the things that we just talked about with Clemson's back seven do the things that Lsu's pass asked Russia's at athletes like help it like some of the guys can do it's about maximizing exactly what those guys do well and then using that in your skin and you can overcomplicate the process a little bit and maybe Clemson did that early in the game against Ohio State. Maybe they tried to do too much and it kind of burn them a a little bit and maybe they got back to what they do. Well in the second half maybe they overcompensated knowing that Ohio state was the best team if they were playing or maybe it was just Ohio state speed and athleticism awesome kind of caught them off guard a little bit. That's just did it in this game. I it's all about execution in a game like this in the regular season when you're Clemson your Lsu you you can overcome some execution things because you're just better than the team. You're play in this game. You're not better than the team you're playing. It's about who maximizes what their personnel does best. I don't know if Aranda does that. Here we know. LSU's offense of coaching staff has done that with Joe Brady with springer and this big big offensive philosophical change that they've had but you wonder if in a game like this more of that stability of Clemson doing what they did last year to win. A title is white. Clemson could very well win the title again this year. One hundred percent. Yeah and just going back to the Ohio state thing I mean I. I don't think the point can be made enough about you know that team was really really really good. I just think that's Ohio State team of my lifetime at eighty two win at all exactly and I think when people go to the window or when people are handicap in this game or when people make that decision I know it's really the easy to think back to what whatever day that was December. Twenty eight December twenty ninth. And you just think about when you're watching those games and how impressive. Lsu looked and then you you think back to Clemson and how they had to claw back and stuff like that. And you know when when you're making that decision I know it's going to be really easy to think. LSU They are you know LSU there world-beater they can't be beat Clemson. They just didn't look that good and they were lucky to win. But people need to keep in mind that that Clemson beat this team that I I a lot of years would have won the national title. You know a lot of years were Would have been the best team in college football and May Have I've been you know the the big Ted's best team in a in a little while here a lot of years. That would have been a really really awesome national title game whereas whereas again you know. LSU beat sort of the runt of the litter of the recent Oklahoma teams. I mean this was not the cuyler Murray Oklahoma team this was not the Baker Mayfield Oklahoma team and so I think those points have had to be made. I think the other point that has to be made as Ohio state could do a lot more on offense what I'm talking about is diversification than than Lsu th th the point. I was trying to make my call him is it. Lsu they put put up these bazookas stats on offense but they play this style where Zucca stats is. That's sort of what you're going for. It's it's sort of like Mad Max type strategy where you know. You're you're you're sort of playing balls to the wall. That's that's that's what you're doing but like in a big spot like at this and we saw this in the Clinton Ohio state game balance I feel like is is going to behoove your chances of winning more And I think that you know it makes you harder to defend and I think that's why Arandas job on Monday night is going to be more difficult. Colt than venables is because Aranda in you know in addition to having to defend Trevor Lawrence who in my opinion. I know. I'm in the minority here but but on Monday night I would rather have Trevor Lawrence quarterbacking my team than Joe Borough but Aranda in addition to that he has to defend Eddie. And and we we haven't talked about like Eddie but Eddie is a frigging beast. Edward Taylor Yeah Edwards layers really good but Edward to layer is more of like he's a complimentary player right like he's he's a guy who you can and do a lot of things with him and in the passing game in particular here in the second half. They've done a lot of really cool things with him and Brady does so many he cool thing. I was watching. I was watching a lot of these these ups of these these Games here in the last ten days when I was reading these when I was when I was writing the the the championship calm and I just watching like all the pre snap motion. Everything they were doing with them. Like in the passing game is like Super Duper Fun. You know and like you know everything. They were doing Edwards hilarious. But like Eddie and is a guy that you know he moves the needle for you you know whereas Efforts layer is more like a complimentary guy and stuff up like that But I I don't know I just think Arandas job is is going to be a lot tougher than than venables is and I think that that venables was just sort of constructed structed to to take down and you know what what. Lsu what they do you know and as we transition over to talk about the props offshore few minutes here. I mean. Obviously we've already talked about some of the match ups that kind of intrigue us in this game we don't have a lot of prop lines out there as of yet. But you certainly you about the game and flow of this game you start thinking about all the things we talked about schematically and what these coaches half to do in order to adjust to a lot of these different things and I will say this first and foremost. I know that all the talk in this game is going to be about the quarterbacks. It's going to be about Lawrence. It's going to be about borough I think. NTN and Edwards Hilar- play a massive passive role in this game. I if you're Lsu you do want to try to run the football a little bit because we saw Ohio state run the football clemson and also. It's going to get you away from some some of those unbalanced fronts disguised blitzes all those types of things. Now that's if Edwards Hilar- is healthy in this game and I have to believe that he's as healthy theus he's been over the last little while didn't play much against Oklahoma wasn't needed against Oklahoma. If that's a guy that can't get you twenty to twenty five touches in this game I it'll be very difficult for LSU to win this game now. This is a guy. I think that you know you can do some more option with NTN and Lawrence like they. Did I used to leading chase young beating chase young to the outside kind of trying to tire him out a little bit. We saw them do that in that semifinal game I would expect more of that here her especially to kind of offset chase on in the pass rush for Lsu. I think is GonNa get a lot of this year whether they're receiving or rushing. I'M GONNA play. Some of his some of his rushing over. I'M GONNA play Oetzi layers receptions over the running backs get a lot of space here in this game because you've got the ability to take these wide receivers this deep downfield and kind of leave some of that open field in the middle for everybody running backs both do very well. In this game I agree particularly particularly on the case of of I think he is going to have a really big game and something that we should talk about his is. LSU's defense gives up a lot of explosive blows. Plays and I I like to rip off a couple. A couple explosive plays rushing the ball. He may even a bust off a swing pass pass. I mean we'll we'll see Clemson's receivers you know. We have to see if they are coming off of their own injuries. You know they're back the practice and everything like that they. They got banged up in the Ohio. State game seems like they're going to be healthy. You know you mentioned Edwards hilarious. Seems like he's going to be as well but I liked the matchup for him. Because of the reasons we were talking about LSU's run defense has been really up and down. I like the point that you made with regards to Lawrence's this is well. LSU's defenders got asked a lot about Lawrence's legs this week obviously You know he ran for over one hundred yards against Ohio state. LSU's run defense. Fence has had some issues. You know you know. And we you know against quarterbacks as well we talked a little bit about that they are that has been A A bit of a focus over this this past week or two. However you know once the bullets start flying? It's not like that's something that they're going to be focusing on more. But then you know. Lawrence passing downfield to Higgins and Ross. Or they're going to be focusing more on then on on the and that's how these running lane start to open up and I made at this point in my column where you know to compromise to. He threw for over four hundred yards in that Alabama game. Even though he wasn't getting the mustard on the ball that he usually does and the point that I was making was I thought he could run for over one hundred yards if he had wanted to and if and if his leg was sounded in that game. It's just that he didn't want to leave the pocket. After that first unforced fumble and I think Lawrence Druthers if he wants to I think if if if if if that's available I think it might be available. I think you might see him. TUCK IT and run a couple times whether that's designed or whether you know. There's just some some scrambles because LSU there has been times this season were that has been available in Adam going back to some that they you said last year I remember. You said this to do you. At a prompt. It had to do with Lawrence's rushing yards against Alabama. And I remember I joined you on that and I remember that was one of the very few ones that we sweat until the end and I think the Lawrence Ida data had a scramble later on. I think we ended up cash in that one The lawrence rushing yards thing. I think that's something I don't know. What the prop is on that one? But that might be something than to look into to just because LSU's run defense has had some issues with that one as well looks like right now Ben Online. The only offshore I'm seeing some props there rushing yards at least X. number of yards Trevor Lawrence Baseline right now at fifty three. So I guess we'll see of course as some of these books start to opened some of these things up but again we talked about game for. We talked about a lot of individual match ups here in those are things that you wanna take a chance to study over the weekend and I can tell. Oh you that one of the best study guides you will have is store. NYSTROM's column the National Championship Preview. Over at role world first and foremost it is absolutely absolutely outstanding to see your byline again. I know you've had a tough time here. Recently with some health issues but great to see your byline as you mentioned over wrote a world. You'll be doing a lot for the NFL draft after coming up as well. Oh Yeah Yeah we're GONNA have a ton of content coming up. Obviously you know you guys can go and check out. My championship preview. Right now had a lot of fun writing that We have a lot of stuff about the championship right now. Derek Clawson has an NFL draft prospect piece up right. Now it's really cool We have a thing right now for for. DFS players that Marquis wrote that. That's really nice and then we're going to be transitioning into the NFL draft lava a senior thing for for fans of of the of the draft. Yeah process and we'll be getting the podcast role and again here really quick so come and check us out and Yeah Adam. Hey man thanks so much for having me back. It really appreciate really good time. Appreciate you man. Absolutely brother makes me fall thor on twitter at thor. Ku and again. 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Perry Tuttle and the 1981 Championship

Joey Hudson

15:41 min | 1 year ago

Perry Tuttle and the 1981 Championship

"They. Here with the answer to your political questions. Joey Hudson with upstate live on ninety four five WGTK the answer. Another word cited Clemson fan as we continue our special broadcast day on the Santa Clara, California where in just a few hours. The Clemson Tigers take to the field Levi's stadium as the compete once again with the Alabama crimson tide for the national football championship, you know, catching the winning touchdown pass back in nineteen eighty one in Orange Bowl, which by the way, secured the national championship for the Clemson Tigers Perry Tuttle celebration after that catch landed him on the cover of Sports Illustrated with the caption, Orange Bowl hero Perry. Tuttle of Clemson pairs member of the South Carolina hall of fame. The Clemson hall of fame Davidson County Hall of fame and the Winnipeg hall of fame periods, a noted author speaker and leadership coach glad say that joining me on the ninety four five WGTK dancer, gasline, Mr Perry. Tuttle a thanks so much for spending a few minutes of your afternoon with us. In just a few hours, the young man who make up this year's Clemson Tigers football team. They're gonna be taking the filled with another opportunity to pick up another national championship. This would be number three as someone who's experienced this firsthand. What's going on in these young man's mind right now? So prepared for this game. Oh, man. What a great question. You think about the scene in locker room is crazy. They intimidate not only, you know, with happened back at home in Clemson on campus with our friends, and they're they're classmates, but also thinking about, you know, their families are coming to watch them Ryan west coast, and it's an incredible scene as a credible feeling and to most people surprise a really really nervous about just the first play. What's the? A first place going to feel like and be like and and once the first place, especially whether you own defensive offense. And whoever gets the corn tossed will give the the advantage of. Okay, now, it's just a regular game. So basically after that I play you kinda settle in. And you just kind of get into the game, then and you kind of forget that the crowds even there. Right. You forget about your parents forget about the, you know, the whole crowd and knowing that even though they know that it's a big game. In every snap matters. It becomes a game. It becomes what you've been prepared for. And and after the first hit after the first cats, the I throw the first tackle. Now you start to settle in on. What have we been practiced to do and the playbook the playbook now comes into play of? Okay. This is just a regular game. Let's go play it right back in January of nine. Eighteen eighty two Perry when and how did you learn that you are going to be on the cover of Sports Illustrated? Well, yeah, I didn't know I left right after the game against the Brassica. Jeff Davis, my college roommate he went a different direction, I went to the hula bowl. And and why that's the invitation where, you know, college players get you invite certain all star games, and I was invited to the hula bowl and about three about two or three days into I was actually on the beach in a why and and and and by the way, I don't think very few black guys need to be laying on the beach, by the way. But that's what I was going. Yes. And and and I was laying there and my buddy, Marcus Allen. If you remember Mark zero German at the time was playing who's just finishing his career with Southern Cal. And how out that I was on a cover, Marcus. I was laying down, and he took that magazine and threw it on my chest. And what he said to me, what do said to me was you know, he's so used to uncover Sports Illustrated. Right. And but he said a country bunking like you total on the cover Sports Illustrated. I saw I saw this picture. Right. And of course, that was back in the day when you didn't have any cell phone. So it wasn't where I can just pick up the cell phone. Call my mom or my family, or so I I got up and scream, and I wouldn't run into my hotel room and picked up the phone call collect to my mom and soon as she picked up, right? She started screaming, I sorted screaming. We was because they knew before I did. Oh, yeah. And it was but that's how found out. Yeah. Amazing experience while while that is so so cool to the here about with me today Perry Tuttle Perry after Clemson you went on to play ten years. A pro ball, you're an NFL the Canadian Football League as well. Let's talk for a minute about the importance of preparing the young players today for life after football because you've done a lot of other things since football. You've actually your career now has lasted longer than your your total football career did. And I think Clemson does a wonderful job these days up preparing these men, they encourage them to finish their education to get your degree. But talk with us about the importance in your life of being prepared for life after football. Yeah. It was it was an interesting time. I I remember coming out of Clemson really didn't know much about, you know, who's going to be my agent, I made a I bought was a wise decision with the representation of what's going to happen in my next career. And and that was a hard that was a hard lesson that I had to learn. But but once season was football was over one of the things that I did. And certainly my bride ally Loretta made a big difference when I retired from football. One of the question was we're we're gonna make a home. And you know, I wanted to move to New York, and she she made the wise decision that we're going to move back to Clemson. I was gonna have chance go back to. School. But I was going to we're gonna move back. Clemson because that's where most people love me the most. Yeah. And and it and it helped me to make that transition from the applause from the crowd because one of the things that you can't get used to is that once your career is over the applause go silent while and one of one of the hardest thing for athletes, especially guys like that played at Clemson where the fan base is amazing, and you got from eighty five eighty thousand people whatever. And and and those people are just great, and it's just a great group of people to be around. But once that applause, go silent, you gonna need other people that love you the most they help you to make that transition back into what what I would call. A world where your second half of your career starts, and that's the most important career. Sure. Yeah. Perry you have done quite well after your football Correa. Very successful, speaking career, motivational speaking, and you you're still helping people you're you're helping change people's lives you help raise money for ministries and other nonprofits is as you're asked to speak at various functions. But it all leads back to Clemson because that's why people still won't to hear Perry Tuttle because of your connection with Clemson. And how does it make you feel to know that that it still goes back to Clemson because of that catch and your wonderful career some thirty plus years ago? Yeah, I think that's a great question. You know, one of the things that I've I don't know if you remember receiver name Jerry Butler shorter, but his senior when I was a freshman and Jerry gave me some good advice. And and he says he's a period, I want you to stay this. When I was a freshman. He says when hip paid member asked you to go out for dinner go, and you get to know people that are older smarter. And and they they wanna help you, and they wanna be kind to you. And that's what I did my four years at Clemson. So whenever games were over or during the during the summer, I spent most of my time spending working with members of if Tate, and they made it easier for me to come out of football. And but but but the other thing is is is that everybody is gonna make the state and one of the things, you know, I had my goals, and I had my dreams coming out full ball. And I realized early on that, you know, the people who hadn't made any mistakes or the people that really has constantly worked for other people. And I wanted to work for myself. I wanted to. Be entrepreneur. And so it gave me an opportunity to come back to Clemson. And I failed at a couple of things. But today, you know, find myself because of Clemson, and because of the brand of tiger, Paul. I have stay close. I've tried my hardest to be a great embassador for Clemson the city of Clemson university the football program, and you know, they're guys they're people like coach for Jeff Davis. You know, Bill Smith, and those guys has helped me along the way Neo Cameron was a big help to me. And and is it it's made. I mean things haven't gone perfectly. But, but I can just tell you other than my face and Kreis Clemson has probably been one of the major parts of my life that has made things. So well, I'm so grateful that Troy pill back in the day. When I was in high school started recruiting me and. And but I have some great coaches buddy team coach buddy king was amazing. And I think I had I think I had the best team agai could have. And and and so because of that is giving me a chance to speak, whether it's corporately, whether it's in churches, whether that university level of had a chance to I mean, can you believe that I'm an author that working on my vote? That's just funny to me. Well, and that's mazing, and it just really shows very total that you've taken advantage of the opportunities presented to you. And let me just say that Clemson could not ask for any better and Basseterre than Perry Tuttle as well because you certainly have represented the school and the state of South Carolina v will where all reprised of you mentioned that you are an author, and we have about two minutes left, and I don't wanna get into politics here. But you wrote a book several years ago, what people want to know about black people, but are afraid to ask talk with us about that. We we sit two division within. Our country. How do we start that conversation Perry? So that we can talk with one another as as Belo human beings and not be concerned about the color of our skin. It really starting from my my relationship with my teammates in the locker room locker room. Really? It's a safe place where guys gonna really just talk and be real. And so I was playing golf with a friend of mine not too long ago, and he used the term African American and black in the same sentence. And I started laughing at him and to into what what what I said to him is this what are the questions, and what are they road blocks in the walls at you feel that keeps you from being offensive wars me, and we had a chance to talk over around golf, and I've I've given my I I took about six months, and I went around and ask the questions to my friends who happen to be white that if I gave him a safe a safe place to tall where they come clean, and that and I wrote the book, and it was a self published book where I was surprised that. That book took me around the country. I did over one hundred radio and TV shows based on that book while credible. And but the thing is what I found out this. It's not about being an African American or black. It really comes down to how do you want to be treated? And can you be kind? And so if you have a hard time, whether you want to say African American or black I think the best thing to do is just ask me my name, right? We can talk from there. Point good point Perry. Tuttle again. Thank you for a few minutes of your afternoon. Do you have any predictions on tonight's game? Well, I do know that if the game is close at halftime, it's gonna be a great game. But if the Tigers a winning going into have we will win the game. Yep. I mean, I'm really proud of what coach Daboh has done, certainly. I'm so jacked up about tonight. Maybe just because I'm tiger. I will say gonna win so tied. There you go. Perry. Tuttle? Thank you for being with us. Thank you. Bye. Crusade perry. Tuttle in the nineteen Eighty-one team that brought home the first national championship for the Clemson Tigers in the ninety eight year history of the school at the time when we return upstate businessperson. Joe? Irwin joins me on this special edition of upstate live. I'm in Santa Clara, California back in a moment. He owned ninety four five WGTK the ends. Just call my. I'll be. And that you can depend and never work. No. If you. I know you must follow the sun wherever. But remember. If you should fall short of your desires, remember life. One guarantee you'll always have me.

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#45: Clemson Tigers, Golden State Warriors, New England Patriots

You're Wrong... And Here's Why

1:06:09 hr | 9 months ago

#45: Clemson Tigers, Golden State Warriors, New England Patriots

"They don't you know they along India's Blah Blah trade policy like the Times Robert Covington. I don't care what you think. Lebron James can't Wendy's Christine. Let's discuss. Hey everybody and welcome to this week's episode of Year Wrong and here's why I'm Chris Woodward L.. Joined US always by Greg. Crown Gregory Houria. Chris Simon a wonderful wonderful for mood. I'm glad to hear it though. I sent sarcasm. No actually it's good. I'm I'm back home from traveling. You know being on the road is it's never fun home safe and sound just to embark on yet another another trip starting tomorrow. Guy Digress. What just Western in Pennsylvania for a family family function and sounds fun? Yeah does does not sound fun. I hate which I hate multiple trips right next to each other. I always feel like I need a period to decompress after a trip. Well Yeah and then not come back and then I go to work for a few days and then I'm right back off to the Poconos for Bachelor Party so busy busy two week period for for me that I'm not used to. The POCONOS is a drive dr though it's not like you have to hop a plane. Well that's true and I'm not hopping a plane tomorrow. I'm also driving but it's a much lengthier drive. Well that's unfortunate fortunate. I'm sorry to hear that but here we are this week. Talk about white sin is going to make the college football playoffs while the Golden State Warriors are ready in tank mode and while the Patriots are still the favorites to win the AFC. Greg tell me why the Clemson Tigers made it into the playoffs. Well for one I'm going to walk through the last four games on their schedule. Obviously the three remaining games with NC state wake forest and South Carolina. I don't care the South Carolina beat Georgia they're not going to Clemson and then obviously with the ACC title game. They'll they'll walk through that as well and I mean you talk about the four teams that are in front of them. It's clear I'm seeing this clearly here. It's unclear marketing for upcoming Games. The reason why they did this I mean obviously. LSU In Alabama undefeated top tier teams. Ohio State Penn State undefeated top up to your teams. I guess but they they know with both of these teams playing each other right you have Lsu Alabama this weekend and then in two weekends. Barring unforeseen loss from either team Ohio state much less likely candidate upset with Maryland and rutgers on their schedule Two of these teams are going to have losses and by the time this all shakes out. There's just no way absolutely no doubt about undefeated Clemson uh-huh in team is in this top. Four I mean as as much as I'd love to be a homer I know what's coming in two weeks for Penn state if the as long as I mean even even if they don't blow it this weekend at undefeated Minnesota or next weekend at home against those those Pesky Indiana Hoosiers I. I know what's coming on on November twenty third and it's going to be an S.. Whooping of you know insane proportions? That's just the way this season and goes and as a as a penn state fan going on around a decade. Now if not. It's just a tiny bit longer. It's you on and know that it's coming so that's where Clemson's going to easily squeak their way right back into the playoff and there's just no doubt about it. I like Nick sitting here laughing to myself because usually it takes us a little longer to get off topic and in your initial statement you started going on on a tirade about Penn state. That just makes me happy. It really does and I do agree. You'll be a little concerned about. PJ FLECK and the Golden Gophers this weekend. But are we saying it's a foregone conclusion that Clemson's GonNa Finish this thing on undefeated I know. I looked over EPA the sports book and they are thirty three and a half half point favorites this weekend. You feel good about that. I'm pretty confident I mean. I'm pretty pretty confident. I I don't know necessarily really about laying the thirty three and a half. It seems like a lot but clemson's definitely covered some big numbers this year. They they had a miracle cover late in the game game at Syracuse. where I don't know fourth ring running back broke an eighty yard an eighty yard run with? I don't know forty seconds left in the game to cover a very big number so clemson's accustomed to it and I don't think NC states going to really put up much of a fight yet clemson right now sitting at number five overall Nine zero six no in the in conference this is. This is a good team and they had something of get right game against Wofford Kanda weirdly scheduled game this late in the season against a team. Like Wofford that's you don't you don't tend to get those kind of match ups this late. Trevor Lawrence a real easy seventy five percent completion percentage to to eighteen through the F. Three touchdowns Travis at T. N.. Just my goodness. My goodness this guy is putting up video game numbers week in week out nine carries for two twelve twelve. Just twenty three point six yards a carry in to score. It's legitimately what I would strive for like. NCAA two thousand and seven. Yeah yeah or two thousand and eight like my goal was always to have at least a minimum of ten yards a carry. If if I didn't have ten to twenty I was disappointed. Nine carries over for two hundred yards is an absurd absurd yards per carry yet. Quick Digression I will say since you get one I get one I was is a and we have talked about this. I'm super excited about the ruling a couple of weeks ago that's going to allow NCA players to profit off their likeness which opens the door for the NCAA and NCA FOOTBALL NCAA. Basketball to come back. I would imagine there's like a year so death cycle we see NCA football back on shelves and like Twenty Twenty One. I am the most excited. NCA football was always one of my favorite games. I mean going back a ways as just just nothing nothing better then that game from the recruiting aspects of the dynasty honesty modes and things like that. But I love the individual player modes die. Forget what a campus legend was the one in two thousand and eight they always renamed it. But and then you you could carry that player over into Madden. It actually like made me want to buy both games and was always preferred because I also like the amount of teams teams in like if you're playing with buddies and things like that it was always something that was a lot of fun also. I can't remember the year I WANNA say was two thousand and ten the the that year I was untouchable as Texas Tech. I promise you to this day I get Graham Harrell Inch Shotgun Michael Crabtree I will dominate any single on comer in that game I was actually i. This is how crazy I am when that ruling happened I brag my wife for fifteen to twenty minutes about how unbeatable I was with Texas Tech in that game. I no one wanted any any of this business. Not My roommates not their friends. Yeah no one had any opportunity to get at me and it speaks to her strength of character that you guys. We're still together following that accurate. Yeah very of super exciting. Were you a were you dynasty guy or a as we call it. Campus Legend Legend Guy. First and foremost I probably I became more of a campus legend guy. I like dynasty modes eventually recruiting stuff. Stuff becomes a little redundant when you're in year like ten but the campus legend stuff because you could continuously restart different players of positions. I loved loved the idea of playing in your last like three or four high school games. This is this is going to actually force me tonight after just getting off the road and probably needing sleep. I'm going to hook up the xbox Fox re sixty and we're going to start something I mean. I'd play every position I'd do running back then. I did a quarterback then I do a corner for some reason. I played linebacker. Strong strong safety. My strong safety at West Virginia which was like the third player ever created was unbelievable. Guy Was a tackle machine objectional traditional names or Greg Crown. Always Greg Always Greg Crown. I appreciate that. It's yeah I I can't I couldn't get enough of the campus legend stuff and then I mean I remember got like the almost the progression that I made them in. That's how many I made eight. And then eventually I just kind of stuck on running back because it's the one that I think you can make the Outside of quarterback obviously can make the most impact. It's still every plays a little more like there's at least some chance that you're not going to get out. And just score a touchdown with quarterback you can just run fly routes with your receivers as long as you avoid the rush. Most most of the time you're throwing over the top and you're getting touchdown one defensive end you can just destroy opposing offense. Oh absolutely disrupting everything I I was. I was always a dynasty guy myself I never really got into the. Let's go make a player. Kinda thing I wanted. My goal was to get the single most accurate traff classes. I could imagine because you gotta remember at that time I was running. NFL draft blitz. And all that stuff get the single most accurate draft classes for Madden and then just just keep going and were you a big school. Guy Where U. Penn State Guy. Or did you like the challenge of starting at a smaller school. It it really depends honestly. It's weird it depends on the mood. I was in when I was starting a new guy. There were a lot of times. Where like when you when you finish out your high school career your offers all the different schools? You'd end up. He didn't up with like being like on the seventh string running back. USC It's GonNa take me half the first season just to gain enough points in the practice mode to to become the starter and that's it's a Lotta time to dedicate something like that so I would go smaller schools because you you can make an impact almost right away one guy out takes. Maybe you miss. You may not miss any games as far as actual play goes and then you're you're just kind of ready to go. Yeah I I always liked the idea of taking like a Wofford type school and then you know winning. You're winning your bowl games and stuff like that. Getting the stars up eventually or five star school will and just you're a walk for the biggest recruits in the country. Just completely changing the future of an entire school super fun on but there's also something to be said about going for one of the bigger schools. I was always a penn state fan growing up because they were the the the closest good school To me at the college level for basketball and a lot of Penn state but yeah the small stuff was always fun to you and you would get to You get you recruit your your quarterback prospects much like a Trevor Lawrence Gregory to bring this back around Clemson here for a moment von says the Clemson Simpson is the third most likely team to win the NCAA championship right now. Third most likely. How do you feel about that? I mean it's pretty telling that they think they're going to get it in. and honestly it's these rankings legitimately feel like they're not true like the true rankings of who actually is the best teams and it's more all right well we have this. Lsu Alabama game already scheduled and we also have Penn State Ohio state. How much more does that game mean the TV ratings if number three number four or number one and number four? I don't buy it I I think the marketing makes a big difference. They're able to play it up even more and then they're going to get more people tuning in. I know you know if I wasn't a fan of this of either team. Obviously in the Penn State case I am but if I wasn't a fan in these situations I would be more opt to tune in knowing that it is a game could decide a potential playoff spot. I mean the game has giant ramifications. Not Not only from the fact that one of these teams will leave with a loss but I mean it affects the big ten championship. It affects all that stuff moving forward pence. They took a big step beating being Michigan. A bad machine team. Let's be honest but yeah I mean this is. This is the true test. Every year of where Penn state it is on on the big ten measuring stick and I. Unfortunately I have a feeling that Mr fields and Co are going to maintain home field advantage and take just one over the nittany lions. You mean one. Time Penn state recruit. Justin feels Chris every time I bring him up. You have to remind me of this. Look it hurts me too. I have affinity for Penn State. Obviously not one that runs deep as yours. But I have an affinity for the school to a would've been incredibly fun to watch. Justin feels running this offense instead instead of showing Clifford. WHO's fines doing a fine job? But so what's the nightmare scenario. Look let's go through this. What has to happen for Clemson to not make the final four easiest easiest way they don't get in? Is they lose to say wake forest. That's the thing. Let's let's talk about that. They get wake forest and a couple of weeks leaks number. Nineteen right now in the top twenty five and the probably GonNa see wake forest again the playoffs nobody in the coastal division really concerns me because it's kind of trash crash in the ACC coastal division. But they're going to have to beat wake forest twice in the next five weeks. That's no small task. Ah Yeah wake forest lost to army. Which army is very underperforming team? This year also has happened losses. Happen sure for the they also they all if you look at common opponents wake forest beat a very bad Florida state team twenty two twenty Clemson beat them by thirty five five points like wake forest definitely definitely is good put. The game is at Clemson. It's it's I don't I just don't don't like where they sit also. There's a chance that wake forest could lose. Lose the Virginia Tech this weekend and now you're talking about them probably definitely not probably falling out the top twenty five. I don't know how good this wake forest team is I mean they did they did STOMP NC state but they also they also lost to Louisville on an absolute shooed. Dude out. They they don't they don't blow away a ton of teams in in their conference. which is I guess? A in my eyes problem when you're comparing eighteen like clemson that outside of that North Carolina game has been just just taking teams to the woodshed. Yeah the Virginia Tech Argument is legitimate at one we talked about how a head to Clemson plus thirty three and a half this weekend against. NC State will west. Virginia is only minus two. Oh He's minus two on the road so this is pretty much Peckham. Yeah exactly I mean it's if you say that the home team Um would get three points at home or whatever that's whatever the old adage is is three at that is as the wake forest wake forest. The team is prime for potential upset. I mean Virginia Tech has showed serious flashes of life I mean they went into Coral Gables and smashed a Miami team. That's been up and down this year. It's not like it's not like Virginia Tech doesn't know how to win. They've also been embarrassed at home in games as well so there are very up and down so it really depends on what Virginia Tech team shows up this weekend but I think wake forest is a very very beatable team. Yeah no I agree with the Virginia Tech stuff and I mean only two losses. I don't know that I would say they've been embarrassed at any point in. Okay maybe the Duquesne. That's that's that's talking about fair but you're talking about you're talking about book and losses at this point right now. To this point their schedule they lose to be see Ashby see by seven they lose to Notre Dame by a point again both games on the road that Duke Game. Yeah it. That's just the one you get. That's the way you got. Everybody gets that one game and they didn't show up against Duke for whatever reason you said that they lost to Boston college right. They lost the busy yes I again. This is what you need to know Boston. College lost by like five touchdowns Kansas at home. I can't take it seriously. The loss the Boston College. That's where Virginia Tech is is such a weird sort of I can't I can't judge them because of games like that and the Duke Game The Duke Game we think. Virginia Tech Doc was somewhere in the neighborhood of seven to twelve point favorites in that game at home and just completely completely. Didn't show up so we could. We could see. See that type of Virginia Tech where we could see a team that you know takes control and beats the top twenty five team which you know guys look at that you know that the coaches are talking talking about that as the week leads up to the game that plays a factor whether they're twenty two. Were number two. It's they're going to use that as a rallying point look Gregory you're commits the misinformation you're spewing knows no ends they lost by three touchdowns to Kansas my apologies Speaking of losing by three touchdowns Worth of points I am going to the Stanford Kansas. Kansas came in December in terms of college. Basketball and Yup Yeah that could very well Pia three-touchdown win for Kansas. I mean Stanford Who did they play? Last night I was I was looking at the score Has the game was going on as I returned from the dinner that I was at and it was not pretty. It was like seven seven with like I don't know roughly seven minutes left. The first half it was it was not a great look for Stanford once absolutely once-proud once-proud Pez brother led Stanford team. But yeah one. Is Kansas team kind of struggled. That first game as well. If you can't judge the champions classic off of a lot of that stuff I mean Kentucky's team last year was absolutely Liam Barry by Duke on night one and they ended up coming back and having a relatively solid season. I mean you're playing Duke. What do you I mean what do you want you know what I mean? Duke's got dukes got a top tier recruiting class as usual coach K.. It's the Mystique of all that I know. Kansas is a story program but they have so much going on with the NCAA violations and things like that then them not looking great on night. One of the college basketball season shouldn't be too big of a surprise surprise. Did you catch any of that. Kentucky Game I. I came in probably three quarters of the way through the first half half and then I watched the rest of the game before going to sleep it was it was. It was an interesting game. Michigan State didn't look great. Kentucky wasn't I don't necessarily think they were overly the impressive. I thought some of their offense was a little bit a little like disorganized. But that feels like that's always the Kentucky to start the season because it's always young guys. It's always guys who were the top tier guy on their high school team or whatever team they're coming from and now they're heading into a team that's all those guys and they have to figure out that that chemistry in cal- usually gets them there. What did you think of tyree smacks because He's the most overrated player in terms of draft stock in the country. Right now in my mind I mean his shot. His shot did not look great to me. And then that's shot pudding. Yeah and it's weird because there was one shot as as the shot clock expiring. He took like a weird jumping forward. Three and it went in. But you could just help uh-huh based on that form like that's the one shot that really sticks out but even when he was getting set shots from the wing wasn't it wasn't great and then I had to hear about The next morning I had sportscenter on because I had time in my hotel room as I was trying to catch up on emails and I had to listen to Stephen a Smith. Tell me how how he's the real deal and this and that I wasn't overly impressed in his first college game I will say that. So here's my my biggest issue with him. We're never going to be able to see whether or not he can get over the perceived flaws that are in his game and I am concerned about the fact that I saw him during that game standing next to Ashton Haggen Agan Multiple Times Hagans a guy who is listed six three and looked about two inches taller than Max. And that's without the hair so I think maxim might be in that six foot six foot one one range. He is going to be purely shooting guard because he's never going to get to show his ability to play lead guard with Hagen's quickly there. So how do you draft basically clearly a smaller version smaller better scoring version of Colin Sexton. WHO's not going to prove? He can play point guard early in the draft the NBA GM's dumb. I mean it's absolutely going to happen. Because of a couple of different reasons one is he went to Kentucky that the NBA Loves Kentucky guys because they're always the highest recruits. And you know those guys that test test super high in the recruiting scale always always pan out but there will be a GM. That'll talk their way into it. They'll talk themselves into taking him high. I don't necessarily think I'd be thrilled with it. If you're going to be perfectly Oakley honest but it could definitely it can definitely happen. I think at the end of the day this is going to turn into a situation like we saw Kentucky with me monk where aware guys were talking about monk like he could be the third or fourth pick in the draft and ultimately you know went in the early teens. I think that's probably what happens to Maxie. Don't see a scenario where he can. Peter Justifiably be drafted high. I without showing a lot more. But let's let's book end this Clemson conversation here. We we talked about the three games left. Thought about how they're going to have to go through the ACC play-offs in your feet wet wake forest again. Odds at Vodka Clinton Plus Three Twenty Five Alabama plus two seventy five Ohio state plus to twenty five. Where you put in your money? I mean I think Ohio state still the way to go I just do and no. They're not the best odds of of the ones you listed but they've just looked like the most complete team on both sides of the ball. All their defense is scary. Their offense even though the slow start against Wisconsin. They really turned it on Between fields and dobbins they feel almost unstoppable. WHOA on the ground And obviously chase young on the on the defensive side along with. I can't remember Jeffrey. Yes that's who I'm talking about. I mean they just feel like such a complete team which is crazy considering all the issues in the coaching change and all that That lead into this year. Yeah they've had some incredibly talented cornerbacks on her back with the Marshon. Lattimore in the Moreland Humphries and and the immoral Humphry Alabama Marshon lattimore and Denzel wards. And the Lichen. Jeffrey Okuda's the best cornerback. Honor Back Bennett. Ohio state in Elia Decade. He's that good and chase young's best defense vendor spin at Ohio state in at least a decade that includes to Bose's that's how highly I think of those guys that defenses crazy good. Yeah it's GonNa be interesting to see how that plays out. I guess you're conceding being a defeat for your nittany lions. It's just I don't think they have enough enough talent on the offensive end. Ah To score enough points to keep up with them I just don't clifford been a good surprise. He's definitely been better than what I expected. I don't think they can do it. They feel like it's GonNa be a very similar game to that Wisconsin game that we just saw with Ohio state where it's slow plotting game early from Ohio state and then all of a sudden they figure it out. Turn it on. You're looking at like two touchdown deficit before are you now at any given Saturday. We'll take a quick break and be right back. Hello football fans now. Are you an Amazon prime member. Did you know that you have Thursday night. Football through Amazon prime. That's right Thursday night. Football has returned to prime video for a third season in the cool thing is you can catch all the action on your TV or the web or on your mobile device. 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One of the best rosters ever assembled old and their leader is Eric Paschal from Villanova. It's thrilling to me. Look they're they're in hardcore tank mode. Yeah I don't think there's any question about this there. There's a real scenario where this team does not have a win to this point. They beat a bad New Orleans team without Zaylon on early in the season and they do sneak out a win against Portland on Monday but they are just turned out playing to win and not only that they're not playing anyone when they're sitting Diangelo Russel with a quote ankle injury that I don't buy their sitting draymond green with this injury and they're just letting these guys sit and sit and said this is so reminiscent to me and I don't blame golden state by the way for capitalizing learn opportunity but this is so reminiscent of when San Antonio tanked with David Robinson injury. They tanked the entire season. They get rewarded with Tim. Duncan and it pays off in a big way in this case. You know. Once once Golden State Law Steph Curry and by the way steph curry is not gonNA play another game this season. There's no reason to bring him back same with Klay Thompson. They're both magically going to have to sit out the remainder of the season and I wouldn't be shocked if draymond finds his way to that That injured list as well but their goal is to have James Wiseman in the starting lineup next year and there is no doubt in my mind he he is by far the cleanest fit for this team in terms of the top prospects available because a lot of the other guys are wings. I'm looking at tank Ifan. which seems is becoming a staple in this show and golden state's currently tied for the third worst record in the NBA with Sacramento and Orlando kind of disappointing for For All three of those teams quite frankly one quick lottery sim and this is legitimate. GOLDEN STATE GETS THE FIRST PICK in the draft. They get they get James Wiseman I think we. We just know that that's how it's going to go. This is going to be the next big piece that allows golden state to continue their their pseudo dynasty moving forward adding a big guy like James. Wiseman who Chris Bashi kind of the kind of a player developing jump shot but the crazy athleticism and a good feel. Oh I game by. The way wasn't his per thirty six's after a game against I forgot. I think it was South Carolina state or something along those lines his Thirty sixes are forty five point eight points per game eighteen rebounds and four point nine blocks pretty a pretty solid start but it's super cleared like they're not trying to win they're just not this game against the rockets was one of the most embarrassing games I've ever seen in this rockets team team. Also kind of sucks I mean. Why would they try to win? At this point It's it's lying on. It's it's literally gone from bad to worse than their situation. I mean from from clays knee injury in the final game of last year's MBA playoffs to to just the unfortunate -ness of the curry injury. I don't think they were. I don't think they were poised to make a lot of noise with just the curry courrier de Ngelo dream on team edge. Didn't think they have enough around them in that situation. I don't necessarily know if they're full full full on tanking banking but it certainly doesn't shock me that the plan is going to be to potentially keep a lot of these guys out and why not I mean you said it it yourself unfortunately unfortunately tanking sometimes pays off. I mean we sat through what four seasons tanking before it finally halfway paid off it is what it is. I mean my my biggest issue with with thinking of tanking now in the NBA. Is those flat draft odds odds though their lottery odds. It's that changes the game. I mean you could tank all you want and then all of a sudden you have the eighth pick and you're sitting. They're getting really not what you're looking for in in a guy like Weisman. I mean that's entirely true but to say that the odds are significantly worse than they were before aren't fair. Either you know the the number one the team slotted to get that number one pick with the worst record in the NBA had a much worse chance of getting of not getting the first pick than they did getting the first pick it was it was never a foregone conclusion by any stretch of the imagination. Now yes the odds have been leveled even further. The top two teams have a fourteen percent. Chance after that. You're talking about twelve point. Three and seven point five is it's different for sure but that is also reason to continue the tank because regardless of whatever game you're playing your you want the best chances to win and I'll take that fourteen percent chance of drawing the the number one pick over that twelve point four percent chance and and here's the other thing you talked about uh potentially teams jumping up because now we have more than these three picks drawn the lottery which I love by the way you WanNa make sure you're as bad as possible because teams statistically are going to jump up you know if you WANNA make sure look if you're in that third that third position with With Five Games left to play I I WANNA lose out and get to because worst case scenario I can pick it did I can pick it seven instead of picking eight if if disaster strikes you always want the best odds. Golden State is very clearly going after those best their. They're starting lineup. The other night Eric Pascoe Greg Robinson Craig Robinson clan Robinson the third Willie Cauley Stein kyw Bowman and Jordan Pau. Aw There's an NBA starting lineup. That's a pretty pretty good college starting lineup. That's very good college. STARTING LINE A lot automated couple of Michigan Guys Villanova National Champion. Willie Cauley Stein with the Kentucky love. I mean that's A. That's a solid college. Starting lineup. The problem problem is they had to play in the NBA. And that I was pretty convinced according to sportscenter that Eric Pascal's the MVP of the League after that game the other night it very well could be. I mean listen. I think they're going to take a look at a bunch of these guys. I don't necessarily think that a guy like the ngelo Russell Draymond isn't GonNa play again this season. I think they're gonNA get a little more run once once they can figure out some of the mysterious ailments that are plaguing them an ankle cisco an ankle injury spring mysterious. Course you know Chris Sometimes sometimes these are these. Are you know these are things that hang around they they they last linger look. I Love I love him but their best player right now is a six six power forward and forty guys went ahead of the draft this past summer. Yeah no I I hear Ya but Kevon looney is coming back Chris. Two weeks away on the bottom line. That changes is nothing for me. I don't come on starter in with a on that team. Probably not but you know. He's great off the bench. That's what we need them for us. Good that Kevon looney spark off the bench to get the warriors going there too and six right now fourth place in the Pacific honestly. I'm shocked I saw over Sepulvado. They're still plus seven thousand sixteenth. Most likely team to win the championship shocked by that. I mean sprinkle little bit on there just in case you never know. Oh Yeah if they somehow manage to keep this close this is a lot of bad teams in the NBA. We see them night in and night out they have. I have a chance to to keep it going and sneak in eighth seed. I can't even say that realistically who's not going to happen. It's just so clear and obvious. How terrible team isn't it's purposeful? It makes you think it makes you really think like after all the good. That's come over the last couple of seasons of them going to the finals. How much wear and tear on? Those guys has really kind of effect. I mean. Obviously Salie the Steph thing. Sort of a freak just broken arms situation put it. Almost almost will benefit them. Moving forward to give a lot of these guys arrest and and season off when they've pretty much played an extra season's worth of games with post-season Games over the last like five or six years. Yes that's true. And you know I it Steve Kerr certainly In no threat of losing his job and put the best coach of all time and the the good news is is. I don't know if you caught this news today but if Kerr worked magically be fired there is a great option for him. I saw that trump and Mark Burnett are talking talking about doing a apprentice White House. Oh so Steve Kirk and jump right on that and we focus on running the country. I don't know just me. I'm more concerned concerned about the reality television. And by the way I've used this joke like twenty times today but I think we can pretty much guarantee the first season and this is serious by the way there is legitimate. Talk about an apprentice. White House show. That would air immediately after our current president left office and Super for serious. Don't need to make a joke about that. But I. I don't know if you've got the odds on this one but the first season winner is going to be a guy named Madame mayor of Luton. Doc I mean it's it's just so absurd. It's so ridiculous it I just I don't understand and do you know what's crazy. No the ratings that that show would get the religious through the roof you thought Roseanne had crazy ratings that that show would get absolute would be the highest watched show of all time. It would beat the finale of match first of all great reference. Do you know okay. Bonus points here. I will concede this giant stakes gregory giant stakes. I will concede see defeat in this segment and We asked me now. I am undefeated to this point through Forty five episodes. I will concede defeat if you know the name of the theme song for Mash I have no idea the song is called. Suicide is painless Gregory. Well that's Morbid. Yeah now actually I. You know what I did know that I would have never come up with it. I've I heard that can't come back to it. I I understand good. I'm glad you can see it on defeated so the one thing that I think is interesting here. You're about this warriors thing. I mentioned that plus seven thousand EPA Vodka feels like an odd. That may be hasn't been updated yet because because they're certainly not that good at this point and in fact when you go to just the Pacific Division there the fifth most likely really team to win at plus eight thousand. So she's the Mathur doesn't quite add up a little bit and how. How scary is it that we're in the Pacific Division where the warriors trail you know teams like the The Sacramento Kings and And why am I spacing on the the the Phoenix Suns. The resurgent Phoenix Suns in terms of likelihood to win the division. Might be the best so you know if the sons are real that might be the best vision in basketball. I mean it's certainly turned up upside down after the past what six years of basically warriors dominance and sun's futility. Yeah it's it's a really really good division. The Western Conference in general is just flat out outstanding. I mean you're talking about a team like Portland that has two guys who are all star Caliber Lillard all oh. NBA Talent Year in and year out there sitting outside of the top eight. I know we're only seven or eight games into the season really doesn't matter but I mean you're talking about stacked stacked division and thank God that the team you cheer for us in the Eastern Conference. Yeah well you know so right now. The Pacific Division has number one four and five seeds in the western conference playoffs again. This is the smallest a small sample sizes with the Lakers at one. The Suns at four in the clippers. Five the The Atlantic Division actually mirrors that in the Eastern conference with the Celtics won the sixers at four in the raptors five. I mean at this point. We should just the fact that the sixers aren't in first place of their own division seven games into the season. I think we should consider firing brown. Throw it out take back. Jim lynam baby. Oh well thank God maybe deal. Wow what a reference France. Yeah I mean the the NBA is. It's GonNa be an interesting weird season. I don't know it feels like you know how at the beginning of the year and even heading into most of the off season we talked about how wide open it kind of felt. It doesn't feel as wide open as we as we as as we're getting underway here. I don't know why feel like there's some. I hand up the Lakers. Maybe better than I thought. I don't know just going to throw that out there They've certainly showed a lot more than they did that. That opening night it is going to be interesting. I mean I've seen over and over again. The conversation around the coup wild management stuff just basically being stuck in a hotel for the last three days and I. I think they're going to have to play this differently in the western conference than the Raptors did last year. You know what I mean. I don't think you can miss many games. Just based on the amount of talented teams that are in met conference. It's an obviously when Paul George comes back. It's going to make a difference but I don't see that being a successful of an option in the regular regular season as there was last year for Toronto. Not only does the league not feel as wide open. The Eastern Conference doesn't feel as wide open. I mean we saw a a Milwaukee team last night light. We're Jaanus was four of seventy three and fourteen of eighteen from the line obviously he those stats are not going to carry through the entire season but just being being a three point threat. If you're gonNA Santen Kumho is enough to guarantee you an MVP basically and guarantee that the bucks are going to be that number one scene. 'cause Jaanus this is not going to be a load management guy. NOPE HE'S GONNA play every game like he should he's the NBA. If you WANNA be the best player not built like that even a little bit I and I agree. You should take some pride in that. And I don't know if I don't know how much guys like a like Lebron and all of them care at this point but you Jaanus has never played fewer than eighty seventy two games in the season. And you know I did. I saw this story and talk about different players from different times. I solace story about Iverson The other day and basically what happened was Iverson was hurt and the equipment manager literally had to hi his Jersey so he wouldn't put it on. Go out there and try to play and he got so mad that they took his jersey away from him he threatened to walk down onto the NBA store by his own Jersey. And play like that. I mean that's insane but those are the kind of guys you love now. Iverson Everson doing that game in and game out playing hurt I mean the year they went to the finals. The Dude was a walking the walking injury. I mean I remember them talking about they have like the the info graphic was body on the screen. And it'd be like hip pointers sore shoulder like hurt ankle. It was literally every part like sore knee. Everything was an issue. You love the guys who have the heart like that. But who knows how his career could've been extended with a load load management type situation going on but at that he wouldn't be Allen Iverson if that was the case. You know what I mean. Yeah I mean it's it's his personality. It's it's his character it's what made him that scrappy. Five foot eleven six foot card. who was willing to take on all comers at all times regardless of the situation? Well you act like house. Career fizzled out. The Guy came into the league. Ninety six ninety seven he averaged twenty the three point five points a game if we cut to two thousand seven two thousand eight. He is still averaging twenty six point. Four points per game. Many Scott. Joe Tanner Eleven Star Games in that time from twenty one to thirty two. It's not like he was done at twenty seven because of injuries he was still applying at an incredibly high level even that first year in Denver that pardon me that second year in Denver where he averaged twenty six point four and and got it got to the line of ton Jesus he was good but scame and oh by the way as a thirty two year old in Denver he played forty one point eight minutes tonight. The Guy was the guy. God Damn Beasts. Chris I don't know what to tell you he's he was. He was sort of easel. One of a kind kind had a player that you don't see come around very often. You know the amount of talent that he had in that that frame and just being able to go at literally literally anyone. It did not matter who it was. I mean obviously you know the fame Jordan Crossover Clip. That's that's one that stands out but Iverson was never afraid free to to sit out and not saying choirs afraid to play Janas. That's obviously not the case. I mean that would be dumb to say. Don't say it why you did it. It's it's it's I mean obviously considering the raptors wax the bucks last year in the playoffs Kawais most certainly not afraid of Y- honest. It's it's just it's weird. It's weird and I don't know if it's because of the past injury history and just maybe maybe now you're more in tune with what's going on and listening to your body and how that works a the way it's perceived in the way it's going to be spun which may not be true is it's GonNa be spun as this guy soft when we just saw which is saw who I basically dominate the NBA playoffs last year. You know with with some limited had help from guys like Siaka and Vanfleet and whoever else is a raptors destroyed all my hopes and dreams last year. Danny had yeah I I mean we're talking about a guy who essentially just carried a franchise so their first NBA Championships and now people are sitting around asking if he's soft because he sat out three of the first six games of the year log. That is what it is. 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I mean it's honestly like the leash shocking result in the world if you watch the NFL. The Patriots Defense had not played any eighteen. That was really worth anything outside of the buffalo bills. Who aren't exactly winning with offense? I mean they're they're they're not some offensive juggernaut that the Patriots stifled thirteen. Wins with defense and wins games like seventeen fourteen every week. It's to me. The people that immediately jumped jumped on the Patriots and then I asked to listen to national pundits talk about how the Patriots are dead dead golden buried dead and buried go head headcount them out. We're done and it's just like guys come on. Why are we fall for this every year? We all this every single year. We know where the Patriots will be. We know exactly where they're going to be at the end of the year and it's going to be playing for the AFC championship whether it's on the road or at home home. It being a guarantee at home got a little bit harder Sunday night when they lost a Lamar Jackson and those Baltimore Ravens. But let's be honest they're going to get a BI. They're they're GONNA win one game and then they're in the AFC championship. It's just especially with. How weak the bottom half of the AFC is? I mean you talk about really a three team race for of that number one seed and with mahomes injury the chiefs struggles. I don't think they're really in there for the top two anymore. They're probably going to play on the first weekend you're talking talking about just the Texans or the Jaguars they're the titans who always seem to be the three teams in the AFC south. Obviously the the colts are much better this year than in the past few years but they're also dealing with a cube injury along with a retirement. It's to me in the wild card. Race is just a complete abomination. Somehow the steelers who have played third string quarterbacks this year still somehow alive those super bowl favorite favorite browns might turn it around. Maybe I mean it's just it's just a nightmare out there. The bills are probably locked for that. Five see just based on how everybody everybody else looks but that number six is GonNa come down to the absolute wire and the Patriots GonNa win did just aren't because that's the way life is we'll gregory look. I'm not sure if you knew this or not. But they lost the ravens this past weekend so the Ravens are better than them and Lamar Jackson is superior Tom Brady. It's just it's how it is is what happened. We can't change the past. You shouldn't try to rewrite it. These next four games are going to be difficult for for New England L.. Maybe difficult difficult wrong word. But telling at least for New England you go to Philadelphia. You have Dow's at home you go to Houston and you have what should be Patrick. MOHME's lead chiefs team team coming to Foxborough Just a after. That is bengals bills dolphins in a in a quick trip into the Ah By in the first round of the playoffs but I don't know these next two games feels like there might be two losses in there. I mean the game against the Eagles is a win. It's a win. I Eagle Win. It's a win now. Joe Matthews is back now joe is he. He's not I'm Susan. The Eagles team was is just and I don't want to turn this. I'm going to turn the eagles chat. Yeah probably because of this by one we have a payback factor. Doug and his staff bell check and his staff and Brady so the animosities still going to be there. The revenge factor to to this eagles team is not very good. They're just again Jordan. Mathews Greg Jordan Mathews Jordan Mathews by the way the series prediction gonNA lead all receivers for the eagles in catches over the last part of the season. One thousand percent one thousand percent going to be the case because Carson's report is unbelievable believable. Free Free Agent. Yeah Yeah it's the front offices maddening for the Eagles but to get back to them versus the Patriots. The Eagles offense is just is just mystifyingly bed Jordan. Mathews AAC show. It's fixed show. Forget I do they show such such flashes of Brilliance and in certain drives and certain things and I just I just don't get it. I don't get what happens the second half of that bears game was excruciatingly painful. You were just waiting for a completely inept. Bears Offense with Mitch Trubisky under center and a powerhouse running back in a guy like Montgomery who they just refuse to use in most situations a flashy player like to Rico. And who's that's great if you get the ball in his hands out of the backfield and they just refuse to do it and they still had the opportunity to potentially come all the way back from a pretty big deficit. It's the defense the defense leaves so much to be desired Schwartz's Schwartz's defensive. Schemes are just Unbelievably poor. I mean. We've gotten better play up front over the past few few games but the problem is going to be in the passing game. And if Brady's even seventy five percent of what his his potential is. I think that it's going to be a bad day to be an eagles corner. Well once again Jordan. Matthews's uses here season a safe and by the way Howie Roseman is so good that he pulled off a trade after the trade deadline over Anderson Day Ho goes to the the The Minnesota Vikings and the Eagles get Viking Safety Marcus APPS and a fourth round pick effectively. So that's very that's how good. How is yeah? It's great to address all the problems that we have to tell you. I was genuinely excited about Andrew. Getting of course as we all should be what you were happy with the guy who was an automatic fifteen yard penalty at least once a game not being on the eagles anymore care about that. I don't even care about at the first of all like the Marcus EPS. Things is a little weird. I probably would've looked to you. Know Call Eric Berry which used the word befuddling is befuddling to me. The Eric Berry is not on a national football league roster right now but I would've called Eric Berry and maybe Derek kindred somebody like that over over mark set so I was actually okay. I assumed it was a foregone conclusion. Corey Graham would be back. 'cause that's just he's the Jordan Mathews of the defense where they just kinda call him every year when when things go downhill Yeah look it's going to be a tough match but that guy that Cleveland cut the guy who attacked everybody on Tremaine. Yeah Yeah I don't know if that's what you want to bring in the locker room right now. But but given the lack of young talent on this eagles team adding a fourth round pick is the right move oof right now they have a one a two to three and three fours. So you know. I'm I'm a big advocate of the draft is giant crapshoot. It's certainly better than it was was a decade ago when it was literally just the wild West you could you know the third pick could be as good as defend your fifth round pick and in any given draft. It's it's better than it was but we're still not to a point where I feel comfortable with it and more more darts to throw. The DART board board are better than fewer. What's what's the last third to seventh round? Pick that Howie Roseman. Hit Avakian medics okay. What's the what's the third the the last third to seventh round pick? How rose hit? I Love I think of automatics is a good. NFL Player. Okay so I mean I'm I'm going to allow. Oh you'd have your opinion. Thank you. I'm going to grant you thank you I. I am not impressed with automatic. Maybe I'm living off of last year where he struggled and they'll never give him credit for anything ever until. I don't know something important happened I I Chris I lived to hold grudges. I think my I that I also also find favorites. Latch onto them currently my favorite Philadelphia philly active Philadelphia philly really is chase hotly. He hasn't played for the team and close to a decade. But still my still my favorite player. I'm looking at this right now and I would argue that. They've actually had relatively good success. In the middle rounds you get maddox in the in the fourth round in two thousand eighteen. You also get Josh Sweat in the fourth round. WHO's turning into a decent? Let's put good these little pass rusher going back to the year before that they had starting linebacker Nathan Gerry. I can't even say that seriously. He's Tara maybe the worst linebacker in football but he is starting starting in twenty sixteen. You get one Dell small wooden. How a plot device tie in the fifth round Vitali Vitae very good fifth round? Pick you also get jalen mills in the seventh around. You can't argue that. Jalen mills provided plenty of value for a seventh round. Pick before that it was before but it was also chipped before that so we can't believe how how is value measured Jalen Mills. Is it how many times he gets burnt. And then makes the one play where he can wag his finger finger wags for me. It's finger WHOA. That's what I figured. I will never. I will never be able to get over. I don't care Jalen meals could be an all pro I would still. I would still be the guy that complained about the the first two years of his career where he would get burned play after play and then he broke up a pass on meaningless second down down by forty and wagged ragged finger up in the air. And it's just like read. The room read the room for what's going on here. I Dunno I unfairly judged him and he been involved they maddox is probably falls in that. Same category for me where I just sort of latch onto those early performances where he wasn't as impressive but he certainly provided a lot to the defense as as we've gone on and having him back definitely helps if you want to knock a Howie for something? That's totally fair. The thing that I would probably knocking and four is Inexplicably waiting until the fourth round in in Twenty six point zero. Sorry two thousand seventeen to go after a running back when when running back with one of the clear weaknesses on this team and we had a historically good running back class. They wait All the way to pick one thirty two to get the NOPE Humphrey and even then and you know you have guys like Wayne Gelman Marlin Mac and Chris Carson who go after him by the couple of a strong undrafted free agents as well but you at the the list of players who went before that pick one thirty two in the In the it's it's ridiculous talked about Autry Cohen. But you know smart parine. You also have James Connor. You have devante foreman you have Kareem Hunt. You Have Alvin Kamara. You Have Joe Mixing you have Dalvin Elven. Cook you have Christian McCaffrey and Leonard Fournette. Unbelievable I don't think I'll ever forgive Howie for not taking Dalvin Cook will they. They love to okay I I will say that. They did reportedly loved Alvin Coke and that was known pretty well before the draft. But S- Minnesota if you remember jumped jumped up to forty one to get cook. You know presumably in front of the Eagles who sat at forty three and took Sidney Jones who was was He got sat last week in favor of a street. Free agent now they did missiles from guys who went right after that for sure but Like I do think that they would have taken Alvin Cook if he was there at forty three. The problem is then do anything after that. You know you you wait Now and you wait and you wait instead of going after a Joe Mixon who admittedly had some character concerns. Coming out of school or Alvin Kamara. who had you know he was a workload issue? Guy Didn't have a big sample size and college and also there are some some off the field stuff you let those guys let those guys go and Instead and Kareem Hunt Cream hunt all he did was set the NFL record for most total yards game by an offensive player in his first game. They they wait and they take to know. Paul Frey was the next. Darren sproles Chris not even not even the best running back on his roster at that point because Rashaad penny would be a first round pick a year later and bust admittedly to this point of the seahawks. Yeah Penny any kind of has a tough tough goat. Yes because Chris Carson seventh-round isn't that Paul Frey draft. Yeah but Carson's arsons obviously established himself in Seattle as the much better option. I agree that's what I'm saying is that there was still plenty of runningback talent on the board it was just not identified and you have the concern that how he gets a lot of credit for his contracts and justifiably so he's he's very good in terms of contracts in uncapped management but his pro amateur scouting has left a lot to be desired. Yes one thousand percent. Yes I think that he gets a ton of praise for the way he deals with the actual current players but are are scouting. Just stinks I. That's the reason why bring up like who are these guys that he's hitting on because it's it's just not a it never seems to work out. It never seems to work out. We constantly instantly miss him in the first round picks. We've usually been pretty good on. I I get that Put as you keep digging deeper and deeper into this and seeing guys who were missing out on and I'm not talking talking. Oh we took this guy in the third round but this guy went in the seventh round guys to go right around people we picked. We did it a couple of weeks ago with the Theta whiteside thing in the receivers that were drafted around him. It's it's nearly impossible to be this bad. I don't know I I just don't know how we can continue to to do this would Yeah I mean obviously anybody can play the if we'd only picked game but how about in that twenty seventeen draft. How different would things be if say we went when Moreland Humphrey in the first round instead of Derek Barnett? And he went. Say Juju Smith Schuster in the second round instead of Sidney Jones and you went say Chris Godwin in the third round instead of Russell. Douglas or even James Connor you think the teams a little bit different at this point. It's just a tiny bit. I don't know it's it's always a hard game to play but it's it's just frustrating Washington team weakened and week out under perform. Well I get confused and we're going to get off the eagles second but I always get confused by teams. That don't identify talent on a college team when they're clearly scheduling that team a ton and there's a really big instance of that in Philadelphia Right. Now they spent the year fascinated with Andre Dillard just assassinated and paid no attention to their quarterback who went after we selected Clayton Thorson in the fourth round. I think you would feel a little bit better having gardener. I think Gardner Menchu's a little bit overrated and maybe even a lot over rated but unquestionably this gene ably. He's an NFL level quarterback Clayton. Thorson is not that not even a tiny bit. How a tiny bit? How do you not see that when you're watching all this film that's my question? Just I don't I don't know I don't know how you are unable to figure that out and realize that that this is not the guy like you look at a guy like Thorson. A plate at north western northwestern was never good. I Know College. Success doesn't always mean gene. NFL success but it's just it's just infuriates Kodaka. He's no Mike Kaffa his just Andy Reid. Eh Bavaro Super Bowl odds KAFFA. Yeah right even thought of that name. I think

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Clemson vs. Alabama Picks, Predictions, and Prop Bets with Thor Nystrom of Rotoworld

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Clemson vs. Alabama Picks, Predictions, and Prop Bets with Thor Nystrom of Rotoworld

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New guest on bang book radio that is sore Nystroem from Roda world on today. Man, it's going so well is an honor him the honor is all mine, man. I know that you and I've been talking a little bit more here. I know that you are I- regular the book radio listener at least for college football segments. Certainly appreciate that. Glad to get you on the program here. And hey, you know, what? No better day to do it then with the national. Championship game, Clemson and Alabama, Alabama five and a half point favorite total on this game has come down now into the fifty seven and a half ranch through. I know that you've got some pretty strong thoughts here on the spread for this game. Yeah. Do you want me to jump right in absolutely dive right in? Well, so I'm on Clemson in this game. And let me say first of all for for the the listeners out there. I'm a listener to okay, I'm I'm not a pro handicapper I'm a writer of Rhoda world. But this is one of the shows that I listened to all the time, you know, to to learn to get better and everything like that. Like, I know all of atoms guests, you know, between Kyle hunter, and Brian Leonard and Tony George. Ralph Michaels, Brad powers. I mean like it was hard of my weekly routine. But I I wanna make that caveat off the jump. However that all being said with all the work. I didn't of this game. I did settle on. Clemson. I'll be taking Clemson, plus the points and also Clemson outright, an atom. I'm curious your take on this. And then as we go through the props I guess just to sort of like start out and like set up, you know, set the table and everything for me, the the Neutralizer here is not Ella bama's offense. It's not Alabama's passing game. It's not too. It's not any of that stuff for me the Neutralizer in this game is Clemson defensive line. Even without Dextra Lawrence. Specifically the pass rush. I mean, everybody knows the two first rounders on the edge. You know, maybe one of them's going to go on day two. But they also have a five star true freshman behind them who is perhaps one of the best defensive backups in the nation. So they always have to elite fresh edge rushers coming off of the edge. Clemson also plays with five defensive backs at all times. And I know one of the guys move to linebacker is a guy that you like in the props later. So we can kind of wait to talk about I j at Simmons. But he was a guy who was a safety before. And they moved them up to weakside linebacker this season. He also plays Nickelback. And he he's gonna be a guy that's really important for this too. But that's my first thought, and we can get into like the granular of this. But that's where I'm at right now. Yeah. I think it's it's such an intriguing match-up because you know, I think a lot of people wanna look back at the previous games that we've had. And I know that you mentioned that in your phenomenal right up over at rota world two page write up you have over there, you Clemson covered in the first two games, of course, one of them one one of them outright. And then last year just not a good show. And last year was the weakest Clemson team because of Kelly Bryant, and this isn't a knock on his talent. It's just that. He you're not scared of him throwing the football. Trevor Lawrence is a different kind of guy. You're scared of him throwing the football. So Alabama has that to worry about on defense. But to your point about the defensive line, this Clemson defense is that good because of depth because they continue to recruit at such a high level, and that's a big deal here in this game. And I think it's a corollary into one of the props that I do like a ton in this game. But I like the point you brought up there that clemson's going to be fresh on the defensive line if they're able to substitute. And that's the thing is that for for two very very good quarterback. Very accurate type of guy. But we know that his mobility has been in question because of that ankle. Oh a hundred percent. Yeah. And you know, that goes back into the pass rush it thing. Like what what is the one thing that reliably takes down or can cause turbulence for Alabama's aerial show. I would suggest that the listeners out there. It's not necessarily having the best defensive back, you know, defensive backfield in the nation. I mean, certainly that would help obviously it's the pass rush. You know, it's getting into the backfield. It's screwing up the timing in the point that I'm trying to make in the column you did this goes with several different things. But Adam to your point, you know, who is ankle has not been so not just you know, since the Georgia game we saw this throat the season were to would be hobbling around. He's a guy that if you can hit him, you know, I I don't know if this is going to be something. That's it's an issue throughout his career because of his frame or whatever. But this is an issue that we've seen throughout this season. Obviously, he's he's still not one hundred percent healthy mean, Alabama will just outright admit that to you. And so when you think about like, you know, this idea of two and now now he's scrambling around. Now he's under. Duress. And now he's out of the pocket when when you think about that Ariel showing you just go through your head, you know, and every single game that they played you go back through, you know, to to to the SEC scheduling and some of those teams they played and whatnot. Win Alabama scary when they are clicking when they are. You know terrifying. Shoda behold, it's always went to is you sitting back there. And he's got a little bit of time in his receivers have time for the routes to develop and in the point. I want to make to the listeners is Alabama's receiving course. Awesome. Absolutely. I it's insane. It's sick. I'm you know, I'm not gonna like Bashar it at all. But is missing one thing that I think would be like super valuable in in this matchup, and that's this. Well, Alabama's got like four star receivers. And they also have a stud tight end, the, you know, they can both block and catch the the one thing they don't have is like a Linke outside monster on the outside and Clinton got these in space, you know, specifically with t Higgins and Justin Ross in the outside. But all of Alabama's receivers are, you know, you're talking about like, you know, six foot guys. Under two hundred pounds. They're all speedsters all sick athletes. You know, if you give them time to get into space, they find it slipper space to has his time kits them on the numbers. They're gone. You know, whether it's water, whether it's Judy you know, rugs is around for the possession stuff. And obviously devante sort of you know, we know what he did last year, you know, in in his game. So the, but the the the key point being they need time to get into their routes. And in two is also a guy who's far better when he's not under duress. You know, you you think about a guy who like, you know, win win two is bad too. It's typically because he's being pressured he's running around. And and he's not a quarterback who will say die. You know? He he's not a guy who like if you float from out of the pocket to is not just going to sort of you know, start to run towards the sideline and then sort of calmly throw the ball out of bounds. That's not as game. He's gonna keep running around. He's gonna keep you know, looking down field. And if even sees a sliver of something he's chucking the ball up. You even if he seems something you know, we've seen a make some baffling mistakes in in the past. And of course, we've also seen them make some of the most incredible plays that we saw this year. And then of course, you know in the second half of last year's title game. But that's why I think it's it's so important if you get pressure on him, not only are you sort of leveraging the injury that he already has an and making him play into the worst of his skill set. Which is you know, running around under duress like, oh, I I can't give up on this play late. Let you know we we have to make a profit on this by let's Chuck it down feeling all this kind of stuff but album. Also does not have receivers that that excel in contested situations, you know, to gets into those those those situations where he's running around. He just shuts it up. He doesn't have a t Higgins to go up, you know, and sky up there where he can beat a guy or two guys, you know, by by getting higher than them for the rebound, judy's, not gonna do that rugs isn't gonna do that Waddell. It's certainly not going to do that. And so for all those reasons that's why. When I kept thinking about this game. And I wanna make another point to you know, I I was on Alabama in last year's game. Because of the reason you mentioned, Brian I was on Clemson two previous ones. And I I love the point you made. 'cause for me it almost is that simple where now clemson's got a good quarterback. Again. I mean betting betting against Bryant. Last year was was was pretty easy for me. But this is a different story and because of clemson's defensive line, even without Dextra Lawrence. I just think that they can neutralize some of the things that contribute Alabama special sauce on offense. Well, and and what I love about this game. And I understand that. Maybe there's you know, some Alabama Clemson exhaustion because they're playing for the fourth time in four years in the college football playoff third time for the title. But the reason being is because of these specific matchups that we're talking about because you've got Sunday players at damn near every position for both of these teams. And you have these individual matchups where you know, the their individual maximums that can decide this game. And you've got some of the best coaching staffs in the country trying to look at how to export any little advantage that they have. That's why I love this game so much and why you know, I probably won't have a play on the spread for this game my power and number was Clemson plus four and a half. I know you wrote the article you were looking at an adjusted number of Clemson, plus one and a half. So you'll certainly overlay there for you. And and I certainly understand why you're looking to take the Clemson side as a result, not just because you've got you know, when adjusted number where it's where it shows value. But also you took this down to way match. Up level to a schematic level. And then decided, you know, what there are too many check marks in the Clemson categories for me to avoid, you know, playing this game the thing that I wonder about here. And this is something that we haven't touched on yet. You mentioned too obviously trying to avoid the rush limited mobility, things of that sort how effective is this Alabama running game because that may be the x factor here. You know, we think of Alabama as a dominant team running the football. They were better passing team than rushing team this year. So from that standpoint how effective can the crimson tide running game be to ease. Some of that pressure off too. I don't think it's going to be very effective at all, you know. And and that's you know, a big part of my handicap with his game. And why thank you know, everything gets leveraged onto to. Well. I mean that that's over simplified take really everything gets leverage onto Alabama's offensive line and pass protection this game. But a part of the reason why I came to that sort of understanding of the game in my handicap was because I I just don't think Alabama is going to be able to run. I mean, nobody runs on. Clemson. It's it's just not really an option. And I know people are out there thinking, well, Alabama's got three NFL running backs. They absolutely do, you know, Damian Harris, obviously, he's really good Najah Harris's good. And Josh Jacobs might be the best of the bunch. So they do have options there. And it's not a bad blocking run line is well on the Obama offensive line. It's just that clemson's next level dominant against the run even without Dextra Lawrence. I mean, like, you know, heading into the Notre Dame game you were thinking, well, you know, without you know, and you know, now they're going against extra Williams who's had like. Bunch of games in a Rosen's. He came back from suspension like maybe they could do something. No. You know, they didn't do anything. You know? I forgot if it was like thirty five rushing attempts for like eighty five yards total. I think I think extra got held in the low fifty Dextra Williams got held in the low fifties. So I just don't think that Alabama's gonna be able to get much going on the ground for for me if I'm going into this game. Like if I'm Nick Sabin. What I wanna do initially is be extremely aggressive from the jump, you know, in in in terms of passing passing passing. And I'm basically trying to figure out, you know, like sometimes I think these matchups like in a match up, you know, and like the different skill sets. And and what would be the way that the fighters would go in if the other fighter like had this Pacific skill in this specific weakness and whatnot. And you know for for this game what you're trying to identify like if if you're on the Alabama side is we're exactly in that Clemson secondary. What can we start to pick on you know, how can I if I'm Nick Sabin? How can I play Lincoln Riley from from less? You know? Saturday, or whatever how can how can I find the Patrick, sir? Take on on the other team that that I can pick on in coverage. And that's what I'm trying to figure out. I I if I'm them. I don't really try to run a ton initially, you know, outside of just keeping people off to to because I I don't think it's going to be very effective. As is. I I think it's just gonna be wasting downs. More or less. All right. Let's look at this from the other side. Then I mean, obviously, it sounds like he's the Alabama is going to have some issues with this Clemson defense. And certainly there's a strong statistical profile Anderson outright talent profile for the Clemson defense. What about this Clemson offense against the Alabama defense? How do you feel that stacks up? Oh, man. It's it's another really interesting handicap, it's I I think they match up. Okay. The the Clemson offense. Here's what I like. Okay. Clemson's offense can be more balanced going in like period, right like because Clinton's defensive line is that Trump card against Alabama run game. So so Alabama if Alabama is not affecting sorry. If Alabama is not affectively passing especially early on. I don't know that they can win this game. Like, they're passing it needs to be awesome. Whereas with with Clemson they can do both because Alabama's defense does not have that Trump card. I mean, I suppose someone out there could be screaming what about quinoa? And and what about the, you know, you know, rake on or whatever and in the middle. Alabama's got awesome defensive tackles quitting Williams is. I mean, he might be the best player in the nation. You know, just you know, irregardless of everything else. He probably the best player on Alabama's team started the two supporters. He's starting everything. But Alabama's defense this year. It's not the same. You know, lashes Alabama team that that that one time. Title, basically to me they were like ninety five percent of this Clemson team that Alabama team was number one in the nation in essence plus defense and their offense was in the twenties. Well, clemson's, you know, one defense this year and their offense is five. So that's he was a little bit down. But you know, this team is is different. Right. And and so it's you know, it just causes different things, you know, as far as the match ups go. So, you know, I I think that that dabbled can go in in contrast to save and where where I think saving initially again aggressive. Let's try to find in that Clemson secondary. Let's try to find what JIMBO Fisher and Texas and M did in the second half. When Kelham on threw for three hundred thirty three yards and three touchdowns or whatever it is. And you know, these other teams that have had aerial success on them in and with dabble. I think that they can do both. You know, I I think they're gonna see you know, with Eddie. And what can they do with Eddie? And like are they going to try to avoid the middle? And and go to the outside, you know, you void Quinton and Ray Kwan, Chris. The outside linebacker for Alabama might not be playing. Are you going to try to stress the perimeter goal at the fact that Alabama's defense allows a lot of explosive runs in clemson's one of the elite teams in the nation running the ball. Are you going to try to do a little bit more inside that than we think heading in clemson's a very clever zone blocking team? You know, you look at their their offensive linemen, and none of them really jump up page. Like some of these guys have been around for a while like Mitch. Hi, it's been around forever. You know, he's protecting Shawn Watson back in the day Pollard. Like, you know, a lot of these guys or whatever. But you know, none of them really jump off the page, but they are more effective. You know, as a group than you would think, you know, just from looking at NFL draft perspective. They Clinton was a team that was affected running the ball inside this season. I'm not sure if that's going to be the case here with all the monsters inside for Alabama. But again, the the thing that they have going for them is that they can do either right from the jump Clemson could be more unpredictable on offense because they can both run and pass. And I you know, I think they're also going to try to. Suss out early on where those weaknesses are, sir. Tanzi obvious when I mean, he's the one that everyone's been been talking about him. I'm sure we're going to see you know, plums and trying to target him. You know, whether it's you know, ser tan ENZA being across from Higgins or under whether he ends up being across from Ross. And then, you know, just seeing where else they can you know, they can pick it that Alabama defense, but that Alabama defense has dropped number twelve s and p plus from number one last year. And so it's it's just a far different Alabama team that you know, a lot more of the burden is on that offense and it hasn't years past. Now, I will say this, obviously, you're building strong case for Clemson. And you certainly did that in your mega preview as well. Which once again phenomenal peace over it wrote a world highly recommend that everyone goes and checks that up, but we do have to throw some sort of devil's advocacy in here. And I thought this that you mentioned about Trevor Lawrence with regards to a key injury for Notre Dame in the semi-final was really really strong. And I think that's worth mentioning here. Yeah. It it absolutely is and just to set up Adams question there for for everybody. So heading into the playoffs. And and by the way, I wanna say this to I got the Oklahoma pick right last week. But I got the Notre Dame Clemson one very wrong. I stepped into your trap with Notre Dame. And a part of my reasoning. There was this idea that Lawrence hadn't played an elite defense all season. You know, he's a true freshman put up awesome stats like, you know, Clemson at beaten every team that had played when when Lawrence it started and finished game by twenty points or more. You know in everything was great. The only issue was the best defensive they played leading up into that. Notre Dame game was Boston College at the time. I believe it's like and plus number twenty eight defense. Well, you you know, Boston colleges saw defense. You know, they have some NFL players on it, you know, specifically on the edge, and it safety, but you know, it's not not any like, elite shakes or anything. But Notre Dame is Notre Dame as a top five defense in quarters Lawrence play. Very good in that game. Boy as Adam was mentioning it. It's a little bit. I almost don't wanna say misleading, but it's absolutely tidbit that people need to know. So Notre Dame has this stud cornerback Julian love, you know, guy who the NFL loves to use the obvious stupid pun. And when love was out in the second quarter. He he suffered a minor head injury. And then Notre Dame before halftime in that second quarter was trying to get him through the custom protocol and Brian Kelly talked office after the game where you know, Julian love was having some issues getting through before halftime. So he he ends up sitting out the entire second quarter. But he plays most of the rest of the game during the second quarter Trevor Lawrence when thirteen of fifteen for two hundred twenty nine yards and three touchdowns in the three quarters that love plates or the first third and fourth Lawrence went fourteen and twenty four for ninety eight yards and zero touchdowns and the caveat, I need at their to to to the caveat. Is that you know, clemson's offense was a little bit off. Off in playing conservatively early on. You know, similarly, I suppose to Oklahoma against Alabama where they were just sort of, you know, I don't know if it was nerves or just feeling things out or whatever the the first quarter is a bit more sluggish. Obviously, the the second quarter was ridiculous. It was like Notre Dame. It's like when you're playing your body like an NBA two K, and like, you know, things are going wrong for him. And he just goes on tilt, and you, you know, you end up having a forty know fifteen quarter whatever, and that's what happened there. But then in the second half, Clemson at opened the thing up so much that, you know, their offense was, you know, super conservative there in the second half. They were just trying to kill the thing out. But it is still worth mentioning that Lawrence did go off but predominantly in that second quarter in love was not playing. All right. So let's talk about to prop, sir. I think it's a fantastic thing to keep in mind. And of course, we'll see you know, how Trevor Lawrence fares era against this Alabama defense, but the pro market, I think is the way to attack this game. As I mentioned just before we got on the line here while I do think that you made a strong case about Clemson. And obviously from Apollo rating standpoint, you do like Clemson in this spot. It's pretty close to my number. And I think this total really could go either way. I wouldn't be surprised if this is a, you know, a thirty or forty two thirty seven shootout or game that ends twenty seven twenty four something like that. But you know, the props. There's so many props is out there. So it with regards to Trevor Lawrence, you mentioned this, and I certainly agree that this is a massive concern. If he gets hurt, you know with Kelly Bryant no longer around that may be curtains for clubs, and that would be very bad. It's alteration. But also percent how how do you beat Alabama? You have a dual threat quarterback. You have a guy that they have to worry about running the. Football some I bet Trevor Lawrence over fourteen and a half rushing yards. And then over at Ben online and some of the other places that do player props. They haven't at least prop so at least fifteen yards at least sixteen yards at least seventeen yards. I've been it all the way up to at least twenty yards because I think that has to be a wrinkle here four Clemson just to get Alabama to respect that a little bit and open more throwing lanes for a kid. That's you know, easily playing the biggest game of his life. One thousand percent. Yeah. Out of my I saw your calm this morning. That's Deb may end up being one of my favorite props. I I haven't gone all the way through the entire thing and locked up my point. I love that one. I mean, this was something, you know. And I was just thinking about the match up. You know, I there the last thing, you know, I do the spread. I do total all that kind of stuff in my head. I see the game playing. And then I I start looking at the props. But I love the Lawrence wine. You know? I mean, it's it's it's obvious for a lot of people out there listening by Alabama. Of course, you know, with Nick Sabin over the last five six years here what they struggle with specifically dual threat quarterbacks in spread offenses now Lawrence's is technically a pocket passer. But that really doesn't do his game Justice, you know, they're recruiting profiles. He's he's more than that. And Clemson hasn't asked him to run a lot which this season, which makes a lot of sense because after after Bryant left let like you're mentioning if Lawrence gets injured now, you fall down to Bryce, I mean, you, you know. The the season prospects we're gonna we're gonna dim and and if that happens in this game like you're mentioning a cleansing done. If Lawrence gets injured put the the running aspect is is really important and just to give people an idea of this that that haven't heard about some of this stuff with with Obama's defense in the past. I'm gonna give you the list of of of quarterbacks and offense type that have beaten Alabama. Alright since two thousand and twelve so you have the Texan. Mt. Johnny Mandel, obviously is a spread offense in two thousand twelve thousand thirteen they locked loss, Nick Marshall and Auburn spread they lost. A Trevor Knight spread the next year. Bull. Wallace in old MRs spread they'll have to cartel Jones in two thousand fourteen playoff spread offense Shad Kelly in two thousand fifteen other law so ole miss spread offense. Then of course, the Shawn Watson and then last year jer stood him in the spread. And so so typically, that's what gives them issues and we saw this last last week with Kylie Murray and Oklahoma's offense. And so, you know for for dabble and his staff who just watches all kinds of film. And it's always looking for an agency opponent. Of course, those I mean, those guys know. Alabama probably better than a lot of the SEC teams know, Alabama at this point. I mean, you know, when when dabbled Sweeney's preparing for the season, I think he's preparing for Alabama as much as anyone I I think that's why he pulled the plug on Kelly Brian as soon as he dead, even though you obviously was undefeated at the time to beat me. And I'm like all those different stuff. And when you know when they're sitting down and looking at that defense, Alabama's defense is designed in a similar way to Michigan to beat offenses in a phone booth. That's that's what they wanna do. And that's always been sort of the idea, and you know, obviously, the past you know, much better defense this year regressed a little bit. But the profile of it remains the same. And so you you can catch them with their pants down every now, and again, you know, by by, you know, all take the listeners back to that Ohio State Michigan game where you know, everybody thought that Michigan's defense are just gonna, you know, do whatever and they kinda got ripped. You can do the same things that Ohio State. Did Michigan Taylor bama's defense and albums defensive worse. Michigan's this year, quite you know, getting their line. Backers defendant space getting them to worry about the quarterback runs. You know, all all that different kinds of stuff. Just just get people in space and the Lawrence run thing. I think is important you gotta be very careful again. Because like Adam said if Lawrence gets injured this game is over. So you can't get too cute with this. But if it's me, I'm calling at least a few design quarterback runs because I've seen it on film. You know, reliably we can steal your from Alabama by doing this, especially when they're in specific aligns we get specific pre-snap breathe whatnot. And the other thing is is I'm telling Lawrence like listen kit, because you know, this isn't something he's done all year. I I'm telling him listen kid, like, you know, if you see them in man coverage and your back there for like three percents that you just can't see anybody open. You gotta understand like winning is coming. He he will be here any second. Even if you don't see me in your face or an he's going to get there. And he's like coming for John Boehner at all times. And so if you're Lawrence, and you see uncovered you see some of those Alabama defenders running down feel that they're back to you. And and a couple of. Ends of ticked off. And no one is open run. You don't think about it run because you're going to be able to steal yardage there too. So I think Adam did you say the number was fourteen and a half. They you sell this morning. Yeah. I saw it with a really and a half a little bit of extra juice, minus one fourteen. I take it. Absolutely. Now, you mentioned looking at Alabama to be aggressive early on in this game. I fully agree with that. I think one of the things that they want to do in this game is one with a lot of tempo. Keep Clemson from substituting on the defensive line as much as they can. I do like to over twenty one and a half completions. As I mentioned last week on the show with Brad powers sounds like something you would be in agreement with as well. But I know you said you haven't had a chance to dive through all the props as of yet or but any of the ones that you have seen here. So far anything we haven't talked about that kind of stands out to you. Sure. Yeah. I I like the Eddie and over of rushing yards. You know, whatever it is. And he was like in the low eighties. When I saw last time I like that one because again, Alabama's defensive front while it's very good specifically defensive tackle, they struggle with a couple of different things against Iran. I mentioned before too many explosive runs given up. They also struggle with stuff rate, which is just like a stunning thing to see other people's page because they get so much kind of trade. But they don't often, you know, make tackles behind the line I against against running teams, you know, at least had a top forty clip. And so if Eddie and just brakes one long run like he doesn't almost every game. He's going to be very close to that total just once, and I think he's going to have success. Like, I I I kinda like Eddie into challenge one hundred yards here. And so I I like that one I love the under on whatever gaming harasses rushing, total is I I don't even think Damien hairs is going to be like their most important back in this game to me. That's that's your shakeups. His his skill set is more diverse, and that's all you need here. Like you need a guy on the field at all times. It can go out there. You know, can do a little pass block and can go out on routes like everything like that. So I I think Jacobs will be out there more and the only chance that it Damian Harris has to get over sixty rushing yards. It would take a kind of game where Alabama's offensive line's playing off something neutralize clemson's pass rush to you know, to click and he's he's sitting his early. They opened up a lead at that point. You could start to use Damian and try to you know, Bryant him and Brian Clark down. But you know, even still you'd still be going up against you know, one of the best run defenses. We've seen in the last decade. So I don't like that matchup at all. So I take the under on that. Well, what are some of the other ones you're looking at Adam David Harris under fifty and a half at five times, minus thirty forty nine and a half. Excuse me, a bed online minus a dollar twenty. You know, one of them that I looked at I it's a little bit jockey. But off. Pence scores all touchdowns minus one eighty I mean these are quarterbacks that combined through eight interceptions during the regular season. And of course, they're the semifinals and then only nineteen sex between the two so he's guys do take care of the football for the most part. I don't think I'd special teams with all the four and five stars that we really see too many dramatic breakdowns. You can get that minus one eighty at five times for the offense to score all touchdowns. Dude. This is why I like your work so much 'cause you know, I I read that column this morning, and I got to that, you know, somebody's other ones I've seen it in. And I liked and I agree with you. And that one is is one that I hadn't seen I hadn't even thought about it. But it just makes so much intuitive sense. And you made you made an airtight case in that poem. But the the only other things that I'll I'll mention you know, these elephants is take care of the ball Lawrence through the fewest turnover worthy. Throws in the entire FTSE this year. According to pro football, focus. He also doesn't take super tax or, you know, make stupid fumbles or whatever. And then the other thing, you know, with regards to your special teams thing both. These teams aren't good on special teams. The the only team that would be a threat. I think to run back would be Bama because that's the only thing that they're special teams is good at there specifically their kick return unit. However, clemson's only special teams strength is there. Kickoff cover. Unit. And so, you know, those things get merely just cancel each other out. You know, I think you'd be fine there. I I wouldn't expect there to be a special teams touchdown. And this isn't something I would have said in past years, and in fact in that, you know, the the year that Kenyan Drake ran that that ninety five yard or back in the fourth quarter to help Alabama. Like, I think that was the forty five to ten or sorry forty five to forty Alabama win where they staved off. Clemson there that was year reclaims it had super bad special teams. But Alabama was better. And so did you know that was one thing I bet on Clinton in that game? But I made the point of my right up. Like, this is this is like a very specific tangible area of the game where Alabama could absolutely steel points. But in in this game, you know, both like I say both special teams units are bad. They're each good at one thing. But that those two things are probably gonna neutralize themselves out. And then. Yeah. As far as the defensive touchdown. It is kinda hard for me to visualize. It. I think the only, you know, I mean outside of just like a, you know, an act of God. God kind of fumble. The only thing within the normal flow of the game that I can even think of that could lead to one would be one of those things I was talking about before like with to flush out of the pocket now he's running around. He's not really sure what to do. But he's not gonna throw it out of bounds. And and you just sort of flings one and a guy like Trayvon Molin steps in front of it. But I don't like the odds of that. And especially if the odds that you cited at him. I I really liked that one. I know we're on a little bit long here. But there's one more prop. I wanna talk about with you. And I saw this one over a bed online. I think it's really fascinating points scored in Clemson versus Alabama is minus one twenty five against points scored in Super Bowl fifty three plus one oh five on the take back, obviously the total here for this game. Or you know in the fifty seven and a half range. Now is it's come down with the bears and the ravens being knocked out of the NFL playoffs that prep at all of a sudden gets really really interesting. Yeah. Yeah. It it. It really does. And especially like with you know in this game. Like when the Bama Clemson game. When I when I first started looking at it. I really liked the over, you know, just just thinking about it because both these defenses. They're you know, they're weak spots are in their secondary's their strengths on the defensive line. So I figured you know, it's gotta gotta be a pass heavy script on both sides. And I figured bam was gonna come out of graduate. They did. Well, now has got a little bit more. He's points, whatever. And then the total like, you know, suspiciously drops like right at the start of the week. You know, I I don't know if it sound like three points. I I think it was around sixty one before. And now it's fallen, and it it it keeps sort of falling a little bit and my Spidey senses. Just wind up with you know, where where if you've done this long enough, you see something like that. And you're like, okay. I I know what kind of money comes in early on the week on an under on a public game. Like this like, I do not want to be going up against those guys. So, you know, with regards to a thing like that I would have loved and maybe even still like it. As far as the payment Clemson want because circa think like, you know, I I think you made the point in the column of like, you know, if if the Rams in meet up. Okay. Well, now now, we have a total that will challenge it. But outside of that. I mean, Adam how many other matchups where if these teams made the Super Bowl, and you had previously the Alabama Clemson side of that prop. How many other matchups can you think of where you would be terrified that you had the Alabama Clemson over ticket in that problem? I mean, I guess I the chiefs have to make it out of the AFC. I mean, that's pretty much it for me. I I don't even think Indianapolis as good as India's offense is. It's just not as explosive from a big play standpoint with two weeks to prep. I would have to get out of the AFC, and I would have to get either the Rams or baby the eagles, you know, potentially. I don't even think the saints give up you know, a ton of points in that game. So that's it's hard. It's hard to see a path where the NFL game goes higher. Then again, five of the last six Super Bowls over fifty points. Three the last six Super Bowls over sixty points. So it's a scary prospect to make but I think it leads to a lot of interesting discussion at the very least. Yeah, it it. You know, it it really does. And just like thinking about it here. You know? I'm just sort of like running the math in my head. I, you know, I was thinking, well, maybe I'll just lay off to total. You know, I did have a lean, but then this stuff happened. And so maybe I don't have a leaning more whatever. That that one might be sort of interesting hedge for people out there were like me who did lean over. But then they they sorta got spooked by some of this line movement. There was this talk at the weather could be bad and Santa Clarita night. You know like last week. I I don't actually think that's going to end up being the case, you know. But just because of that this won't be an interesting hedge because you don't necessarily need to hit the over to win that bet. Yeah. No. I agree. I think it's a really really smart way to look at it. I think he looked at this game the national championship here in a lot of smart ways. Again, I very highly encourage everyone to go check out the mega preview over at rota world that door put together along with some help for some of his colleagues there with regards to the draft and some prospects keep an eye on stuff like that. But really really good piece over there or up. You know, I know you're primarily the college football guy over there. What are you going to do after this this being the last game of the year or we're jumping to the NFL draft after this? So you every season I go all the way up through the national title game. And and everything and then never think about it from an NFL draft perspective. But then right when this game gets done, I put my NFL draft hat on the end of April, and I get to dive fresh into that, you know, you get out of you. And I were talking about this over DM's, but you know, every season you do this so much and you're just grinding grinding grinding grinding grinding. And you know, sometimes you need that second wind, you know. And I got it when we started Boll sees. I certainly got it today. Even though I'm just running off. Fume. So my gosh, you know, being Christmas night and everything you know, and stuff like that. And now we move you know after this game this epic game. And and by the way to your point before may have people who are complaining about Alabama. Clemson get outta here. You know, not not college football fans to me. You know, we we've got belbow a creed tonight. You know, we've got Celtics Lakers for for my generation of college football fans. This is the thing, you know, this is these are two concurrent dynasties going head to head. You know in the just so happen to meet, you know, in this space in time, and and dabble with his Alabama can actually all that different stuff. Like, it's just so cool. So I've super-duper looking forward to this game, obviously. And then you know, after this I'm super duper looking forward to diving headfirst in the NFL draft. Got store noise. Who's working and find at rota world at four K U T H O R KU on Twitter. Great followed definitely wanna make sure that you're falling him tonight. And as we go throughout the draft process, and of course on into college football for next season as well. I know I kept it a little long, but had a great time with it really enjoyed it. And maybe next year, we'll make this a little bit more of a regular thing for you. Oh, I I'd love it at him. I I've just been pinching myself a lot. It's thirty minutes. You know, just having listened to the pod so much, you know, all throughout the season. And now, I'm like on it. It's it's like the strangest thing, and I'm just tickled pink. Like, you know, thank you so much for having me on. Absolutely. Thank you so much for coming on as little bit tro to suicide greatly. Appreciate that thorn is Jim from rota world. Enjoy the game tonight. Man. We'll talk to you again soon. Thanks so much you too Bye-bye. Hey, you with the rhinestone dog collar between us dogs. I just convinced. My human of grade to a new home with the twelve hundred square foot bathroom. I think she called it a yard with Wells Fargo's three percent down payment on a fixed rate loan. My Uman realized new home was within reach learn more at wellsfargo dot com slash wolf. 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