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Marc Scott Zicree Returns!!
"Ten years ago. I began my ginny into the twilight zone but in actuality the tree beginning of the show was probably a year or maybe to even before that changes of hosting changes of websites mean at the date. She senior pod catcher on the actual dates when the show began rather fittingly the beginning of the twilight zone. Podcast has been lost a time but in my mind it was probably two thousand nine two thousand and ten so when you consider that the first ever podcast is generally believed to been released in two thousand and four. This show coming out about five years later. Means that it really was coming out in a time when this format was just new and emerging nowadays hundreds of celebrities have their own podcast celebrities interview other celebrities celebrities even now do episode by episode breakdowns of the shows. They acted in which used to be. The two main of people like me doing a show like this so although the celebrity podcast in those days the landscape was very different. It was a format that fans could use to ensues about things in a way that they were never really allowed to do before. What radio station is ever going to green light an episode by episode breakdown of the twilight zone. It just wouldn't happen degrading about podcasting though is to borrow a quote from my guest tonight. You don't need to be green lit by a radio station. You can green light yourself but this young format had to prove itself. If you had a radio show people took notice but if you had to podcast not so much. So when i started this show just the fact that it existed didn't carry much weight at all and if i wanted some important guests to comment show. I needed some credibility. And i needed a guest to bring some attack credibility against who i could hold up toward the people and say look who came onto my show. Maybe you like to come onto. And i was absolutely thrilled all those years ago when the man who agreed to do that to take that first step and embrace this new format and to guest on this show was also the manual at the four sankt to see that these kind of fanned deep dives on an episode by episode level. Were what people wanted. His book fairs published in one thousand nine hundred eighty two one of the forerunners of this way of enjoying our media part reference par trivia and opinion. And while you might not always agree with them which as your find out in a moment he's absolutely fine with that. Disagreement breeds conversation and is now. Why would all here to kind of show that i'm doing now would not exist without the work of my guests. Tonight the media might be different but the law of of the material is the same so tonight submitted for your approval the author of the twilight zone companion. Mr marc scott zicree. I spoke to you almost ten years ago now. Mark and yeah. I know when i spoke to you then you had several things going on. You had the book with del toro. You know space commands always been a certain that your way on so you'd always very very busy man. Whenever i see on youtube and stuff. So how's the last year and a half been for you. Great i mean i. You know what my goal. Initially when the mckinney was to keep all of our people on salary and we have an editor full-time a you know like a film editor. We have someone running up physical production of our studio over physical studio et cetera. So i was able to keep all of our people on salary and I've raised over. I've raised over two and a half million dollars from space command. Since i've started being spacecom entirely my fans via kickstarter campaigns and seven investment shares of seventy five hundred bucks each and so so but the interesting thing was i realized that because everyone will stuck a moment going crazy gnarly because so many of my actors are so well known and so busy of. They're not available. It's very difficult to give them all together at one time but they were all sitting at home. You know just climbing walls because all the studios everything at shut down so i had. I came up with idea where elaine wrote a bonus to our episode space command that are actors pitching in their own homes with their own cameras so they could save but We shot the first three hours in space. Command recorded an audio prequel. But i but i had already worked out most of the for season. And i knew where all all this was going. And they're a bunch of characters. I hadn't yet introduced i. We would be so armee. Shimin christina moses in so many. Jj hurts so many actors that which is waiting and wings and now they were home so by by doing this. Two hour episode allowed me to introduce a lot of people like barbara bain. Space nineteen ninety nine is in spacemen. Now emeals grass tyson. It's an of riches. So why are episode and Our entire visual effects bag of tricks. For instance wait a scene between one of our characters who's based in atlanta. An actress meghan a castle access to play his daughter and she was in scotch one and we managed to put them together in the same living room. Even though they both starred in their own homes and were never actually politically together and so a very very fun and And then in the meantime i finished a new book called lighting yourself which is basically how people don't have to rely on the studios or the networks even the publishing houses to make their dreams come true how the internet and having video cameras in our pockets and all of that allows everyone to sort of as i say light yourself so i just finished that book and sent it off my publisher and yeah we. We didn't slowdown during the pendency. Ramped up and we're busier than ever. It's elaine. And i just celebrated our forty fourth anniversary and we write direct produce together. And it's it's a dream come true. So i'm i have no complaints and our people are all very very well healthy. Sadly mira furlan. Who was one of our test in space men who i worked with on babylon five passed away from west nile virus all things not covert and that was really a great loss and she was amazing actress in your soul. And i'm glad that we got to have her in space command as much as we did because she was kim come true. I watched some of that before online. Some of that two hour special and that there are some names in and michelle nichols was in there. Yes yes i mean. It's insane the cast. You've assembled in pristina. Moses who's on a million little things on abc currently and she plays sues daughter in the star trek episode. i did with decay. And that was her first tv role ever and she's just phenomenal and she'll be continuing in space man and also in in magic time another one of my projects and So yeah yeah. And but the now we're ramping up to do the show runners network where i'm creating six series with the creators of Farscape and the expanse and defiance and on and on. And i'm ansa doing six shows including a rod sterling series really. It's an amazing time. Yeah yes we can we can talk about. All of these. Various things is that. Is that news out there. Mark of of i got a bit of an exclusive. Can we talk about that. Why negotiations with the states. What's not lockdown. But ninety i came up with a wild. Oh which was. It's called rod sterling sampler twilight and Basically rod as you. I'm sure you know dictated all of his. Everything's script sledders folks. Everything he lounge by his swimming pool in the backyard in the morning and he'd have a little recorder any would dictate everything into the recorder. Secretary would type it up. And he'd make him directions and it was up at all of these according were lost for decades and they just discovered a thousand hours of them. In a couple of archives podge archives and so my idea was to create a new show that would be narrated by rod sterling from that material plus is a number scripts that either never got made with throwing road or or written during the live. Tv era the no one has seen since then and this would be primarily fantasy science fiction horror at plus media scripts from the others violates on writers that were not made and scripts by a new generation of writers. You know people. Like neil gaiman jemison again. We haven't we haven't earned that. But that's my idea and joe dougherty who was executive producer. I'm pretty little liars and won an emmy for thirty. something is aboard on that project with me. So he's an old friend and so i've been in communication with the ruling stayed and with their representatives. And we'll see if we can make that happen but it's definitely project i want to do and So we'll see but that's right now. It's on the list. The thing is you know this. The jordan peele twilight zone came out. And i and i really enjoyed it. But it was quite divisive with fans i think. Sometimes people find it hard to accept a new twilight zone. Dante without rod serling is also difficult because rod. Sterling really was irreplaceable. There's only one of him. And and then the writing staff he got he got three of ray. Bradbury's proteges sign. Henry were friends and ray recommended charles. Beaumont richard matheson and george clayton. Johnson also came aboard to and they became the core of that amazing writing team. That created twilights. Earl ham also came aboard. He played on the waltons falcon crest but he was a very different kind of writer. He was much more rural and was matheson. Beaumont george clayton johnson which is tackler a science fiction fantasy writers and And so they just. I mean it was just a match made in heaven and so you know. I won't script for the twilight zone. Will they brought it back in the eighties. That was an amazing writing. Staff was harlan ellison allen george martin michael tacit and so forth astray strong writing staff but very hidden this you know and the scripted i wrote. We will week away from web. Doug hayes was directed. He direct is beholden howling man many great episodes and and sensors pull the plug on it because they felt it was too hard. Edged is called nine avail. So that's one of the strips. We're going to be shooting on if rod sterling after twilight Another ost by lights on script. That i'm i'm very proud of tv sack off. Wanted to do it a few years ago and so we'll see what we what we do with it. But it'll be fun. It'll be very fun. It sounds amazing. Because i think it will probably be a lot more palatable for those people who just can't accept a modern twilight zone. This is kind of somewhere in between isn't it. You know it's it's still got that rudd sailing stamp on it for lunch. Just going to say one thing. I've been mentioning to jody sterling in the rap and so forth at the state. Is that the twilight zone reboots. They they basically Take the name and so forth. The rod was one of the great writers television. he was sort of like the arthur miller of television. That's what he wanted to be. And censorship forced him into science fiction fantasy horror. He never intended to be a science fiction writer but but his writing to large has been lost into degree. That there's a lot of writing. He did that. No one has ever seen or no one has seen him Seventy years and so. I think we want to bring it back to put rods sort of centerstage as new really man and brilliant writer. He was because that. I think that's gotten a little bit lost in the shuffle and you know and also just that wonderful voice to hear him because the thing about rod was that whether he was writing a letter or making a speech or or writing twilight zone episode. They all have that same irreplaceable Voice poetry yes and so So i i. I hope this wishing i think it will and will know soon but again i'm just following my enthusiasms mean the sharm feeding was rocky o'bannon Rock is a friend of mine. We bound the twilight zone the twilight zone. Ladies that's matt and rock sportsman's due to create farscape alien nation defines seaquest called. You know he's now executive producer on evil and we were looking for a project to do together so why did was. I sat down my generated. Two hundred ideas just off the top of my head and i said okay sparks few. Let's start working up and there was one that we both liked That i called sweet haven and ironically this before the pandemic but the basic idea is that an engineered disease and engineered bio weapon against loosening. Kills everyone in the world under sixty was the people in above have to figure out how to save humanity when they can't reproduce and i really wanted lied about older people because i think are often stereotyped in the media as the funny grandparents. More kind of dallas dimansur coming down with cancer. And the people i know in their sixties in older are extremely vital in extremely isn't like a dividing walls all of sudden. You're you know obsolete and you just can't sit there staring off into space and So the cast is astonishing. It's michael barney's warranty is the new black and book ronald cartwright's in alien and birds and invasion body snatchers. Bob cardo is in it. Barbara bain again. gosh marta. Kristen from the original lost in space Eastern phillips star trek voyager. I mean of end James pong from blade runner although china's so i mean it's just gonna be superfund we've done to end gates mcfadden from star trek next generation. So we've So the script is written. We've done table reads via zoom and will be very shortly as well. I remember speaking to way back. When and you you produce the dvd's and blue raise for the twilight zone you've done a ton of commentaries on and off for all of them even then you are planning on doing what we're going to be talking about tonight like i said you've got so much on the pandemic give you the chance to kinda. Does that often say okay. Now's the time to do all the reason for it. Well first of all did fifty two commentaries on the blu ray with all the people who worked on those shows so they got commentary with george commentaries with george clayton johnson. Neural hamlin's richard donner before we lost them in their gone on the record is phenomenal. And that's still left over a hundred. But i hadn't yet done and so i always had an serving the back of my mind. Do them at some point. Because literally i have all this i get one hundred people worked on the show. I've got this encyclopedia of twilight zone in my head and some book. Some of violence companion. In fact i just a new addition that hundred more pages because there was so much more to tell But i thought before. I'm you know a memory a To share all of those stories and all of those things. These people told me plus there. Many many people who are the great creators of science fiction shows now and other shows that are huge sterling fans and they were inspired by surly to create the disney golden age of television people like Vince gilligan. on you better call saul breaking bad and david chase on the sopranos one more of the bs. G galactica and from mankind. And on and on. I mean brandon bragging. You name it. And so so. I'll be so my idea and also but also there's this thing called money and you can use it. You can buy stuff with which is very helpful and support so my idea was. My wife is a number of strips that we wanna get made am. I thought well i could. I could do the rest of the commentaries and raised like maybe one hundred thousand or more For work which. I very much like do since she writes. Wrexham produces with me and she's been doing space command with me. That seems only fair to return the favor in in sweat equity in cash and so I came up with us ideas so you now have a site called spy lights own. Commentaries dot com. Where people can put in their contact info and then watch kickstarter campaign and they be informed when that is up and the idea will be that. Every week i'll be doing a live commentary on two episodes of the twilight zone free year. I'm going to the that year The people by putting like forty nine bucks. They'll get all hundred plus audio commentaries. They can just watch episodes in this to the full commentary. And that and this other perks were through a little more money than like an archive of my entire file of the twilight zone. Companion everything in my file cabinets. When i did the twilight zone comply get us or another another perky as they they can ask questions and i'll answer them in the commentary on their specific episode or they can have an episode dedicated to them or and this is a higher ticket item. They can act commentary with me. You zoom and again you know. It's just kind of something. I'll do like once a week for year and that'll cover the hundred hundred and four episodes and and it'll be great fun because you know again. There's so much discover still in. There's so much to do. I mean the fact that i'm not working with. Ron cartwright on sweet haven she started. I sing the body electric. Which is the only episode of twilight zone by ray bradbury and There were two other strips that wrote the show but to sit down with her. And just say okay. Let's talk about this episode. You know because it's it has a very very stormy production history where they test one actress to play the robot grandmother and it didn't work and then months later they hired another director and came back and shot leaving actress so they there will be. She's on that some months later. And so it'd be very interesting to sit down and talk with rhonda about that and that was the with fans so You know and then of course. I have my might mr sci-fi youtube channel where you know. I'm closed all the time and people can watch space command. They can listen to my opinions about any number of things and and it's just it's just super fun. Yes that's going to be quite an interesting journey because it's all five seasons the twilight zone. It includes things like the pilot. I never did a comedy on. Where is everybody on and on. I mean some of the great episodes and so be be super fun. I'm kind of fascinated by your archive. Because imagine you. You probably had to put some stuff out of the companion or otherwise it would have been like so yeah hundred hours of audio interviews with the people that i mean. Everyone from burgess meredith to and francis to all the producers of twilight zone Interviews with richard matheson and george clayton johnson and earl hamster. I mean it just goes on. And on william windham name it. I mean george clements. The the dp i mean. Yeah there's i'd say ninety percent of the stuff that i got from the interviews in for my researchers aren't in the book from rod sterling has subscribed to clipping file From around nineteen fifties theban nineteen fifty six fifty seven until his death so every article was ever written about him was in these big leather scraps in chronological order was like the encyclopedia rod sterling and up in his attic in his house in pacific. Palisades and you know i would. I would take these volumes home and make notes and so all you know. So my notes turned in the files. And i will transcribe the interviews and type up this tons of stuff and photographs. I over two hundred photographs from the twilight zone with. Maybe three hundred will not publish so You know you name it. I mean it's it's very fun and Again i was twenty one or twenty two when i started working on the book and and so everyone is still around. With the exception of rod sterling who died two years earlier and charles beaumont you know it premature much everyone else was still alive so it was phenomenal and You know and again. It's it's it's funny because it's really an oral history of the twilight zone and because one thing to have an academic have opinions but in a way that's almost in my opinion worthless because some deicing well you know if you look at twilight zone admits metaphorically to bad mouth academics. Heaven forbid but but there's something about say. Yeah i was on the set. And you're shooting death alley big thing in chocolate milk. I pass game. Refrain it's like it's like that's a very different kind of story. Then someone's opinion you know it's it's recollection isauro on I love talking on those people. It was it was terrific. It's interesting that you you mentioned. You know you're in your early twenties when you wrote this one of the things about the twilight zone. Is you know i. I've reviewed episodes on this. Podcast may be eight years ago or something. And as i get older i will revisit those episodes and i think you know what i've grown into that episode. Now i think completely different about it. I mean you ever been flicking through the twilight zone companion and think you know what. Maybe i was hard on that episode. But i actually. I'm an older man now and i. I've got a new perspective on has happened. Yes it has. A for instance bigwigs who which and pool Wish i had problems with because you may data from skill mockingbird starred in and they had to loop voice in about of june for ray doing sort of her voice. it's it's really odd doesn't really work but But someone wrote me a letter. When i came out saying that i didn't like the episode and they said when i was a kid appearance divorcing and there was no one getting a divorce on television all happy families and i saw that twilight zone episode about these kids whose parents divorcing and and i knew i wasn't alone and and validated how he was feeling and i said well. That's that's really that's really valid. I mean i can't. I can't of be negative about that. So when i wrote the new entry in the new twilight zone companion. I included that and i said no i see how that has value and Sh you know so. Yes sometimes my end. Sometimes my opinion changes. I mean one thing that really does stand out with twilight zone. It's just the astonishing artistry of it. I mean the us cinematography. The grates or is by jerry. Goldsmith and france. Waxman bernard room in on you know and and it just keeps going. I mean just in every category in that chain from surly because the writing was such high quality than everyone else in go. I don't wanna be loved the week. Lincoln this chain so So it's it's really something and Yes so it's But but like so yes. Sometimes i will change my opinion and even the bad episodes are. There's this stuff of value in them. I mean even some that like we're rod talks about Advertisements he was so tired in writing so much he felt like it was too rod sterling talking to each other getting seen because he had such a distinctive way of talking. And that's a very demonstrative that is the fear with hazel court in mark richmond. Where it's like. Yeah it sounds like two hundred to two servings talking each other but but even a lot of fun. It's a lotta fun in so yeah so but i and again you know one. That's things about one of the ideas. I have my the twilight zone companion. Was i'll have the information about egypt's so that will be unbiased. That won't have an opinion for or against. And then i'll have my opinion. But i be the information and so so in other words i have never ever minded someone having a different opinion because if someone says to me well you know my favorite episodes shelley berman. Okay about that. Or the one with carol burnett which she is the only one with a laugh track and then they took the laugh track at out the iran. It's like you're just a saline and then they wait for no particular reason they say the next line because they were timing for laugh track. So it's a it's a strange episode with or without the laugh track but have you ever been tempted to kinds of. I mean you ought to. Because i've got your new twilight zone companion the updated one in. It's great that extra material but have you ever looked one and saw you know why i'm so such a different man now. Such different person that. I like to completely rewrite my opinion on Let me think to the challenges that there's so many great twilight zone episodes that i i watch them. What was really astonishing to me was For many years after. I wrote the twilight zone companion. I didn't watch by light zone. 'cause i'd spent five years working on the book. And then they were going to do a documentary on rod sterling american masters and pbs. Contacted me and they said well. We're going to in black white and one interview you on film and i was very nervous about. His flattened talked about violence on really even thought about it much for like a decade or two so brought the book with me just in case i needed to consult it and they interviewed on camera for two and a half hours and i never once opened the book because it was hard. That's what i knew was into my head so so yeah yeah. I mean maybe the encounter is one. I've changed my opinion about that. One i i was down on and now i will like it. I think george novel branch terrific You know there's there might be a few but again. I you know i think pilots batting average just in terms of great episodes is so high. You know it's like when you look at you know when you think about okay. Rod strumming spends week and he does the the lonely and in the next week. It's walking distance and then the next week so it's stop. Whenever the next week it's time enough at last night all each how these are all great is classier and even with the our ones which were very problematical. You've got an amazing episode on thursday. Believe for home. I don't know any other piece of writing. The deals with someone who's a hero in can't let go of power and stress himself is writing and james whitmore spectacular or desktop lately. Great mathis nap so I just. I just got the space from that episode. So she's hanging hanging over there l. about fourteen spaces or so because because we being space. Command sewn backgrounds Buying in space. The one behind me is from outland by the way. So it's so it's safe to say then that if people listen to these commentaries of probably going to hear things that they've never had before a absolutely hundred percent yes and because because again there's so much bow these episodes that aren't isn't in book. I mean you know it's it's just it's just one of the reasons. I do the updated while his companions because asked rice finished writing the book and it came out. People kept telling me amazing. Stories like for instance. Douglas gays who became a very dear friend of mine he had been director on. Many of the great episodes told me that i am the beholder. He realized that they were gonna run. Short and rod was out of town and unreachable. This is before the internet of course and so doug road seen inroads style and shot it and ever see the so seen whether in the in the break room the doctor and the nurse smoking a cigarette and he says i've looked under those bandages. It's a human face that was written by doug hayes not rod sterling and then released put it together and screened in for rod. Doug was you know in the back of the screening room sweating bullets. He had to write a scene of installing style and then at the at the end of it when they when finished running. Rogers look back at At doug said good. Seen how i wanna do a revised version of influ bat or or there when rodney was teaching up in africa One year there. Everyone in the town knew him of small town and there was a young young boy whose mom owned a shoe store and one day he inside. The shoe store is full length mirror and rox mutual mirror and with end. Still looking at himself. He says the kid. Do you think i'm tight ass and and the kid says well you know. Yeah mister sterling. You can't talk through your teeth and ryder Unless you start great. There's another story. One of his students toll was he. There was one student who subsequently became a rider was like very others like six three or something and he came up to rod with a question in hold on a minute. We walked him over to the staircase and he hadn't go down a few steps until they were level. Because rod was like five five and said okay now now now you can talk a giant gary fun very fun style grace grace. Before i let you go mark. I i understand. You're going to be at sailing fast. This year and binghamton. Yes i and they reached out to me and i'll be happy to go and it'll be great to see everybody and yeah so if anyone's in upstate new york area on it's an interesting fact is that although i've been Into a guy had never been to binghamton. So i'm looking forward to that it's I know a lot about it. But i never made my way there. And they of course since i wrote fights companion They've really put up a lot. They're dedicated route. They've you know they've decorated the the carousel appropriately. Saarland's works and terrific. I mean i. I think rod would be very surprised that all these decades later twilight zone is held in great esteem greater even than what was on the air One of the sad things died at fifty not knowing he had left anything of merit into that last interview. We gave said My work has been momentarily. adequate Is just a very sad thing. Because he was it was his harshest critic and on but he created he not only created possibly the greatest television show ever made but he also inspired so many people to to tame higher and to do better. And you wouldn't have star trek without rod or the sopranos or so many shows that have come since we all were children of sterling. That's that's we consider ourselves that all of them create tv shows. I went to sailing festival years ago for for the sixtieth anniversary. I don't think i'm going to make it this year because of the travel ban unfortunately put 'em does real magic about being surrounded by so many twilight zone and sailing funds. So i'm sure you'll get a a super warm welcome added. I wish i could be located. Where are you based. I'm live approval in england. Our production companies based in both here in l. a. and and in london. Also we saw when it's not a pandemic we've we actually go back and forth quite a bit. I stand hams on there and so maybe on the delivered at some point and we can you know break bread. That'd be funny. That would be amazing. That would be amazing So before you go and just reminds us where. Where can people go to get information about the commentaries good twilight so commentaries dot com to put in their contact information. So that when we when people can buy the comedy be informed. There's no requirement that they don't you. Don't spend the money down. And if they want to watch everything we've been talking about and more Go to mr sci-fi hyphen f. Mr sci-fi on youtube. That's my channel one posting all the time great content about everything. We all love mauka. Like i said they elliott. You know you're on the podcast almost ten years ago now on on a wanted to thank you for that because you know i was just landed in the ropes in those days and i knew i wanted to interview people you know someone had to confessed and you graciously agreed to come onto the show for an interview and you became the first peirce and and by doing their you gave the podcast some legitimacy because then i could say the author of the twilight zone companion has been on this show and it opens so many doors for me so i wanna thank you for being so gracious and kind and do in there and it's great to speak to you again. Always a pleasure pleasure damaged pleasure do it. Now you're you haven't changed the best and internally useful and But i think i think for all of us were who love good work It's so important that we share that with the world you know. I think that podcasts allow us to do something very important. And i applaud you for for the decade of of good service to Something that's worth worth paying attention to. So so i'm happy to come on whenever you'd like walk. Thank you so much. We'll talk soon and stay. Well
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Just don't want to or don't have the five and a half million dollars to four over for a thirty second commercial and right now. Advertisers are asking a lot of questions like what if there's a surge in couvin in the days leading up to the game how should accompany market itself in a specially made commercial for an audience that has been through more than three hundred thousand. Pandemic related deaths will funny commercial be insensitive will a somber add. Come across as depressing. And what if the game was cancelled. Altogether like this is all running through these advertisers. Mind missing the mark on this. Because obviously there's not going to be. The big parties were used to for super bowl sunday. A lot of people aren't going to be gathering in big groups but that just means more people at home on more individual. Tv's and as a result more people paying attention to the tv. Because you're not chatting socializing drinking while it's mid december. Cbs still has dozens of openings. From what i'm hearing fox. The broadcaster last year's game had sold all its advertising slots by thanksgiving. By the way i tell you guys that the ratings for football in general for the nfl. Right now is been really bad. And i think in sports in general it's bad but i think the nfl also kind of hit a time. You know the there. Was you know major issues. They've had pr. But i heard that this is their deal. They have a rev deal where the higher the ratings is the more that the have to pay for the spots. And i did not know this but there are. Some of these games are running at three o'clock in the afternoon and because the games was at the pittsburgh steelers game vs whoever it wasn't you know who was. Oh the ravens. Yeah i think it was in steelers. Get their first loss in that game but like that game the advertisers who would normally have advertised on thursday night football. When it's like one of the biggest nights of the week would have paid crazy amounts of money for their ads. There were virtually getting them for free because it was an afternoon in the middle of the day that nobody expected to even beyond so so. I think that the nfl's in kind of a world of hurt right now just to try to get these games and we could get a commercial we could. We could buy a super bowl ad. Probably the share mike. We know we couldn't. We couldn't afford mine mike we. We can't even afford a commercial a ninety eight point seven which has no ratings right now. That's that's how low budget we all right. I was a show. I mean i mean their commercials. Like ten dollars spot. Sparking outrage for going on induce clams vans are accusing her of promoting diet culture. Not just expect if you are doing something for health. 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I was seeing. We're very dark. In terms of saying basically the future is going to be bleak. There's nothing we can do about it. Just kinda screwed. And i remember the original star trek and star trek the next generation to but i grew up with original star trek. That inspired people that said we can create a future if we reach across with compassion. If we come from the heart if we have courage and honor and loyalty That we can create a future with living in and i was very determined to make a show that would Be that kind of show like star. Trek inspired me. When i was a kid. And i didn't want it to be developed as a pilot that no one would ever see or or cut off script and so you know because a number of my friends run network shows and they said let's take the let's you know we can get a pilot deal and i thought no no no. I wanted to reach out to my fans and see if i could finance the pilot and perhaps more episodes myself well to date my fa- between crowdfunding and selling investment shares on space command. My fans have given me over two and a half million dollars. That's allowed me to do is open my own studio Working with people all around the world and we've recorded seven hours of space command so far we started shooting the next hour. We're gonna shoot six hours beyond that for the first season. You can watch a lot of these episodes on my youtube channel. Mr sci-fi we're talking to amazon now and we've been talking to netflixing the number of other buyers but my main priority now is the The relationship between myself and my fans. And because of the fact that i came from you know major. Tv shows and worked for all the major studios networks You know i was able to reach out to my friends who were actors and already in space command. We've got as you mentioned bill. Mummy doug jones stars and star trek discovery in the shape of water. Nichelle nichols when when i was ten and star. Trek was on the air Christina moses who saw starts moving little things timmerman from deep space nine mira furlan who started in lost and and babylon five. We just lost her. Sadly to west nile virus. She was amazing. Robert picard in space command. Neil degrasse tyson is now in space. Command phenomenal and so now we're building upon that to to a slate of six series and called the show runners network. And i'm teaming with a lot of my my very famous actor friends and also my my friends who've created the top tv shows the last twenty years and so But i have a full studio up and running with equipment and we're we're We're building an alien spaceship. We're almost done with that. We're building to eight foot tall creatures. I own fourteen spacesuits. Jeez keeps going and it's a it's a dream come true. I couldn't. i couldn't be happier as computer. Animation helped a lot too. Yes it does but it it has its own challenges and so for instance in the first two hours basically on the two hour pilot we have eighteen hundred visual effects. Shots which is insane. It's like star. Wars wars doesn't have that many For the next two our hour so that we're in post production on now That will have a lot more of what are called practical effects. that's why we're building the alien spaceship. That's why we're building the to foot. Two eight foot tall creatures. So we aren't as reliant on visual effects so what you try to find the balance but mainly you have to tell a human story with characters that people care about and you know the the effects are wonderful and they have to be good of course but and the production has to be good but at hard it's about people you care about and that's that's always what what's going to make something last and and affect people move people and entertain them and and i'm going to tell you mark. I've met a lot of people in hollywood since i've been out here. You're one of the nicest guys i've ever met. You deserve this. You really do thank you. Well it's it's the love of a good woman. Leeann i writing and directing and producing together and we just celebrated our forty fourth anniversary. Yeah yeah you're only thirty. Two years old paradoxes and But the the funny thing is she met me. When i was in college and so i got knows what i'd be like if not for elaine. Congratulations to both of you. Thank you. She's the best part of every day and i. I couldn't be more lucky. Tell us about the evolution of the mr sci-fi channel on youtube. Yeah well that was really interesting george. You know it's. I was having lunch a couple years ago with my friend glenn lazaro who was the show runner on walking dead and we were just talking science fiction like you and i are talking now and he said you. Don't you know so much about science fiction. You should have your own youtube channel. So i thought well that's interesting idea so i went on youtube and found out. How one does that and I just started You know talking about science fiction and sharing what i was working on like space command or talk about you know twilight zone stories. Bradbury told me. Or that i heard from fraud. Sterling's you know for my research and and so it. And i really didn't do much of a motive but now i've gotten millions of hits. I've got on closing in on one hundred thousand subscribers and it's absolutely free content. i mean I you know. I talk about you know any any aspect of science fiction that i want to talk about and then also i put in my space command episodes up there and all sorts of stuff. So it's just a cornucopia. It's really really fun. I have a great time. Doing it calls next hour with mark about the twilight zone and other. Tv shows so get ready to jump on board. Your latest work is called green-lighting yourself. Tell me about that. well you know. Yes and You know. I think you know george. For many years. I've run this roundtable of writers and directors and actors and producers and during the pandemic. We've been on zoom but its thousands of members and it was just something that created run for free with there are no dues. It's basically just to give people A supportive place in hollywood assured of what even if they're not in the hollywood the town you know it's just create a an a show biz enter industry that has humanity at its core and kindness and and so many people get so defeated by the arrogance of hollywood or or they can't get an agent or they can't get a manager. They can't get anyone to read their script and what. I've been applying the last few years in building my own studio and creating space command. And all these things i've been doing. I thought nobody teaches that. There's no book you can get on how you can basically green light yourself but now thanks to the internet and thanks to computers and things the fact that we all have video cameras high quality video cameras in our pocket. You know the barriers. It's no longer up to the studios or the networks are the major publishing houses. What gets out to the world you can reach millions of people. If you just have something that people will find interesting and And so i wanted share step by step what i had done. And also number of my friends Fortunately j.j abrams. And neil gaiman and guillermo del toro and you know re bradberry of course they all have told me stories that were about how they build their careers and how they recovered from failure. And how they you know were supported and mentored by others. And fortunately and my friend ron moore who Who runs for all mankind. The tv show on apple now They were all kinds of when we said we. We you told me this. Great story about your career Privately but can. I share it with with my readers and they all said yes and And it was just great and And so this is sort of like everything. I've learned over over forty years of my career. I've been a professional writer since i was nineteen and And i just it's you know it's not a mystery but the problem is that so many people are told what you've got to have a great script or you you you need an agent in order to make it and none of that is true you just need to say what do i wanna share with the world. What comes from my heart and and you know it's conversation between you and the world as as you know because people can certainly understand. I mean the reason you're successful georgia's because you're authentic and people can listen to the show and they know what you're passionate about and they know who you are and and what people have to understand you. You don't have to hide who you are to succeed as an artist. You know you have to be authentic and honest and straightforward and people will get that and if you come from passion and enthusiasm and honesty and genuine quality. People will respond ray. Bradbury passed away nine years ago at the age of ninety one. Tell us a little bit about him. He was he was one of a kind. He was phenomenal. I longed for him to be my friend and mentor. For many many years decades and i'd given up on that and then one day he came across something i'd created any loved it and he called me and he said you must come to the house and i came and we just hit it off and so then for over ten years once a month i would go to his house and we just sit and talk about career and life and art and he'd invite me to these plays he was putting on plays of his work at that point and i always of course brought a book for him to sign one of his books and And he was so wonderful and the interesting thing is that i'd heard That he and rod sterling had had a falling out and that was why he only wrote one episode of twilight when he was originally going to be one of the major writers on the show. And neither he nor rod would talk about it publicly and in fact when i tried to interview from for the twilight zone companion. He declined and and finally when we became very close friends. I said okay right. Tell me what happened. Between you and rod any told me and and so i. I have a video on this decide where i say. Okay i'm gonna tell you. What the story the ray told me. And it's an amazing story. It takes thirty minutes for me to tell it. And it's on my mr scifi channel but he basically talked about how basically it was. Neither one of them was at fault. It was just kind of like where they came to a parting of the ways. But twilights would not have been what. It was without ray bradbury because his three proteges. Richard matheson charles. Beaumont and george clayton johnson forms. The core of the writing team on on twilight zone and that was thanks to ray and they were unable broad and ray to get together at the end they just had a falling out. It was i. I go into it in detail but it was mainly just that was just kind of cross purposes. You know Rod was incredibly busy and so certain things he'd said to ray Kind of fell through the cracks. It was it was like falling out. Falling out that anyone can have it was they. Were both wonderful people. And i'm very very glad that i got to To get to know ray. So well. And he trusted me with that story and And my god there so many piece of advice. He gave me that were invaluable. And and they're they're in the green lighting yourself book. You know i talk about that at length in in the book for you and people can get this book now. is it out. it's not out yet. I've sent the manuscript my publisher so many james it'll be a you know a few months and so if people just kind of You know go onto amazon or whatever you know they'll be able to find it ultimately and i think they'll really benefit from it. What's your favorite twilight zone episode. Well my favorite is walking distance. Because that's about a man that goes back into the past of his childhood to try to reclaim that that childhood and it was Raise it was re rod serling his personal favourite because during the war he was a paratrooper and even when the war was winding down his father died very suddenly of a heart attack at age fifty two and he wanted to go home to the funeral. he was overseas and the army wouldn't let him go. You know the army air corps and And so we never got to say goodbye to his dad and so that episode really is about him going back home and and finally being able to say goodbye to his father and so it was. It was very personal. Rod and Just amazing piece of writing. I mean there's so many great twilight zone episodes. I mean you know. You can't really go wrong if you say. The one with burgess meredith as the last man on earth or howling man. Or you know. Serve any of them you know. Stop it willoughby there's this it's just a ball which is to serve man that was a classic two. That's a great episode absolutely and that was written by one of my teachers damon knight Rook short story that that episode was based on and He was my teacher And when i was nineteen years old he bought my first short story. So and they all had that ending. That really special ending didn't they. Yes yes and rod would say that he if he knew the ending he knew he was okay but he said he had so many ideas where he could get the beginning and the middle and could not come up with the ending. Those never of course got on on the air but if you have the ending he could. He knew where he was going. And you could ride incredibly fast when he did It's the hitchhiker the episode with inger. Stevens haven't adaptation radio way. yeah He wrote that episode eight hours while so. That's incredibly fast. Listen to more coast to coast. Am every weeknight at one am eastern and go to coast to coast am dot com for more visas up to five thousand dollars risk. Free people told my team about. 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"Hi I'm George. Decay and I listened to Sifi Talk. Marc Scott Zicree established writer writing to Classic Star Trek Series Deep Space Nine and the next generation and also for Babylon five and also being involved in revival of sliders. His new project has me excited at hearkens back to a day. Saifi were dreams ran rampant. Let's hear about Space Command and New Space Dreams. Really excited to talk to you about this project know. I think it's it looks you know watching it on the kickstarter site. It looks really really cool. Yeah we we're very excited about it. It's really fun. What made you decide to To to kind of reviving reduced basket. Well it was. Essentially the whole idea came from you know conversations. I was having Gresley and Neil John from you and my part is on this project where you know we really love. Science Fiction from the fifties and I was very aware that there was some of the shared vision of what our journey in space would be that we you know when you when you're reading Heinlein Asimov Clark was. We would all go out into space. We colonize Mars until for him. You know the outer worlds and moons in this system and then jump out stars in town. Ralian races and so forth. There was very much. You know the same vision you get in control and Forbidden Planet and Star Trek and so forth and then in recent decades you kind of lost that and and fiction lately is very topic and very dark. I mean I like that very much. You know the recent version. But you know it doesn't leave you feeling hopeful and You know and even come on the easiest turns out to be extremely dark and grim you know and so I thought there was room to explore this this company new based on what in five knee when I was younger. I gotta give you all Kudos for doing this on kickstarter. I think it's a great idea. you don't have to deal with networks and things like that and then they end up getting in the way most of the time unfortunately so. Kudos for you for doing it that way. Thanks thanks a lot. Essentially some of your cast You've got some great people involved so far. Ethan Phillips Arman Shimin Catches Mickey Jones from Penns Laboratory. Hell boy and you know. And it's just going from stations on five. And just you know and Papa cargo for Bob on this prevention from few there were were planning role for her so it just it just keeps getting better and better and more and more people from major science fiction movies in fiction series and reaching out they hear about this project you know so. I think we're GONNA have even more amazing announcement very shortly. I know you've gotten a lot of support. Also you know from people in the industry to to say full speed ahead and get this going. Yes I mean. It's nice that you know people are really enjoying what we're up to. I mean bland bragging year Mo and then Lindelof and Neil Gaiman and when they're on Jayjay I mean they've all been very very supportive and very friendly and he just kind of you know I mean the thing. The thing is that people who do good work recognize other good work and and they're not snob so isn't about. Oh well you're not in the studio you know Old System. So how good can it be? That's not their attitude at all their attitude is you? They know my work and they liked my work. Concurrently book with your Modell Toro and And so you know one game was writing. Teacher say was For Road is not presented. You build it and that's very much what we're doing steaks command absolutely and that's A. It's a great road to build and I think if you all the people you mentioned And really myself too was influenced by those early Space Adventures Especially as we were starting out with our interest in science fiction the Space Command and the Forbidden Planet before Star Trek or the ones that you know were around. That's where it star. Trek has its roots really. Of course I couldn't tell people that my two favorite dark movies and Forbidden Planet and Galaxy. So but it's true I mean it's it's funny because you know when we were when we were younger and just starting reading reading genre and watching. Tv and film. You know I mean they would be dark. Things happening me stories. I mean certainly if you look at look movie forbidden at this monster from the killing people. The basic underlying assumption is that there is lymphoma heroism and there is room for selflessness -bility and ultimately become something with a good heart a better sheets representative there is a happy ending ahead you know and I think with all of the doom and gloom in the world I you know in my own life and of many people I know you know you can reach out others. You can't create something that will endure and and it isn't all just you know. Oh my God. The future is going to be bleak. I don't believe that in and it hasn't been if you look over the last few decades my have been terrible things of course nine eleven and the Vietnam War and you name it. But it's been wonderful things to in people as their families and and and find love and all the things that make life worth living and So I I very much want to present that That viewpoint absolutely and you know with today's special effects It's it's a lot easier to do it now than ever before this even ten years ago would have been harder to do what would have been impossible. We couldn't do this project. Despite level it would have been millions of dollars and I wouldn't even attempt to. I mean it's it's really the the influence of the fact you can shoot on a digital camera. Edit on a Mac you can reach out to people via the Internet to raise money and disseminate material and also You know the special effects are incredibly less expensive than they used to be. You can do things that you know. They were doing the Star Wars in two thousand one and Petra kids learning technology so it and becomes a group effort. So we're actually like I. I enjoy doing things this way. So is there a plan to do like a standalone movie kind of thing? The pilots were starting by doing four homes and what we call three vignettes half hour story. Kansas I basically follows family. The family and the family as part of the great expansion and migration exploration out of the system and the stars and over centuries and so we're following several generations of the family and the families and so some of the stories will be further along the time line will be earlier in the crimeline something like when Pete when highland created when he called the future history and had stories all along that future timelines. That's sort of what we're doing and it's very very fun and so You know so so. We're already for some of the stories will take much earlier. When we're still in the solar system we still have slower than light. Travel were performing Mars. And and settling planets of the Jovian and twenty in systems. Like your rope and so forth Ganymede later ones will be out among stars and Encountering Alien Races and having those kind adventure so big story and I really like like taking it on and I'm having time of my life that's cool. That's really cool looking forward to seeing when that when that it all comes together should be a lot of fun Well actually we're actually people our building tiny designing aliens and new genetic special effects. We're waiting. We're which we start shooting the first one in October. And we're actually shooting I to our story and the thirty minute vignette. You must time win back moving ahead on all of that now. Is this going to be available on the Internet to start? Is that the plan or. Is there a different venue for you? Basically the backers have gone space can dot com or page and they can they can get a dvd or BLU. Ray Not only downloadable content as well and Ultimately maybe the on demand or a theatrical depending on who steps up. We'll see how that shakes out but but initially when thinking you know the home video options you know is is the way to go and then go off and lots of extras like books and P shirts and watches and jackets and all of that really cool stuff model you know name states cool hopefully will bring back those shots and movies a little boy with his. You know model of the spaceship in his room. You know we don't have enough or they lately. You know we really know and you know. I think it's really interesting when you think about. It's like I feel sorry for little kids. It's like in terms of mean star. Wars is beguiling but star wars as long time ago and the Galaxy far away. It's not like grow out and be part of that Universe Star Trek. The original Star Trek inspired a lot of people who grow up and be scientists and become astronauts because they saw that as a future they could be part of and wanted to be part of and I think I think the important thing and and you know so I think it's really well worth from inspiring it's And so they can pretty much. I hope so she had to have our ships called power. And it's just really cool looking Spaceship and so we can has a model of that. You know by wire over and Daddy Daddy was doing absolutely absolutely and we. This won't be running before comic con so I wanted to ask you. Have you have your panel there? That's going to happen and you're gonNA show some Some interesting visual goodies as well. Yes we're GONNA premiere some new affect shots and also in mccague. My friend who designed Marley must be something was working on the avengers and John Carter and Harry Potter is designing our characters. And so we're GONNA be unveiling a lot of the character designs as well but there's be a lot of surprises and some of our actors. We'll be on the panel Doug Jones and mathematician and MOANS and Andrew. Johnston said she'll you may pop them as well. And so it's GonNa be great panel. It's Friday night. Eight thirty nine thirty in room five. Am during cons. So we'll be there Friday night July thirteenth signings day before on that day and the day after giving up posters things like that terrific great. It's great to see kind of like this enthusiastic version of space being told again and that's as it should be. Yeah and it's it's Sunday so many people beaching outlets in fact they are actually a wheel. Man the The air force arm of the State Service and they actually be shots and they WANNA work with us on this as well and they won't have Zoya approval or anything like that but they'll be making some of their resources and extra few able to and we're going we're going to be going through the approval process office with them but very fun to me with with couple of officers from the air force because again when I grew up with the space program and Apollo and all of that I mean. You know there. There really aren't we. Oh heroes you know. I'm not in favor of war but I'm certainly not a bigoted against you know people in the military. I you know there are many ways to serve this country. I have to also commend you. You wrote to my favorite star trek episodes from two different shows. And that was I contacted. The same would be be newer. Is it still crate? Had had also far beyond the stars which different tone It was a very important Benjamin. Sisko episode really showed what he was about and I really enjoyed both of them for different reasons but they were both very much star. Trek. Thank you. Yeah and it was very funny leading for Star Trek because it's such an enormous huge universe now with all the stories they've done all of the series and to come up with two stories totally or never done before on a great honor and a great challenge and And funny because the inspiration for a hobby on stars working the booth fifty nine fiction writer on my first my first paid mentor which Theodore Sturgeon and I got no ten very well written of course to Great Star Trek. The original series. I'm a crime. And surely and he also written for Galaxy magazine in the magazines. Fantasy science fiction back fifty. And so that's why I got the germ of that idea to write about those guys who who wrote science fiction back there then for the love of it and you wouldn't have star wars and Star Trek. Those wonderful writers like head and our regret Brie and many of those wonderful writers and then Harlan Ellison Harlan was not offended. Mentor he He did a a cording little that he recorded about writing. During that era in the fifties Ray Bradbury and I know you're doing a memorial for him at the Convention I know you're probably gonNA say some things while you're there but just kind of What's your first memory of of Ray Bradbury's work you know it's funny i. I was reading from when kit and he actually gave a talk in the library when I'm ten years. And he was the first rider I ever saw person and is so impressed with and even then he was so alive and so warm and so encouraging and I remember that somebody said that then was for writer your life and your art and your work all come from the same place in this offense and I think that's when I first even even started thinking of becoming a writer and then in recent years over the last fifteen years I became very very good friend. And he's a terrific mentor and every month or so. I would go over to the house and we just didn't talk. What an honor that was and I'm a huge fan of his work. I mean the Marshall Chronicle for five lanes or mazing amazing books. And I'm I'm I'm glad they`re. They've been establishes classics and will live on and it was funny because I knew it was in poor health. I'd seen just a few weeks before he died and and yet when he died it was still such a blow because there was only one of him another one. I was so honored to get snow and just be someone inspired insurance work and we'll see where things lead. I mean I. There was a project and I wanted to do together. A mini series called Bradbury's Lost Mar based on twentieth. Aren't in the Marshall Chronicles and And I hope is doing natural kickstarter to down the road when base. Command is finished. And we'll see if that happens. I I really want to do that. That'd a nicer tribute to him. I think he would like that. Very much. That's That's one of the things that you were involved in your directed an episode. World Enough and time for a star Trek new voyages talked to Jim. Cawley about that project and I kinda look at. As the semi pro ball of Star Trek were professionals working with almost professionals on there and I thought that was very unique. And I the thing about those episodes of really has given characters like your episode was on a sue and really fleshed out a lot of his character with the alternate history and I really enjoyed that I. It's I know it's hot shooting on that bridge but I mean it's it certainly looks good and and the stories were certainly really cool to watch. Well Yeah I'm I'm very very of that. We'll nothing time. I wrote it and directed and executive produced it and Michael Visas Michael Right on. He also for next Gen and on an emmy for the for Batman the Animated Series Star Wars novels. Now writing books with Neil Gaiman and it'll be riding one of our men movies with me. Well worth one and it was great because I always wanted to work with Georgia. We met when I interviewed him for the twilight zone companion when I was working on that book in my twenties and I'd I long to work with him and when I found out about star trek new voyages which is now called. Cirque DU I remember the story line. Michael Lifson pitch to Archer case to win paramount with can do that show in the seventies and it's a great suitable episode and they end up making it took because they needed star. Trek Movies into that theory. I called Michael and I said you wanNA write this with me we can do with these guys in upstate. New York and he said sure. And then we start to Georgetown Georgia's House and Sit Down with them in in vining them and I had type of the storyline in three pages. And I said you're brilliant actor not just in another things. I've seen which I mentioned. I said you all you never got the deserve here. It is and I need you to read these three pages right now and tell me. If you'll do this you'll make with me. And he read three pages right there and he said Yeah. I'm in and it was great because you know I think is my favorite star trek character. Really because he's just such a great character such intelligent and competent and loyal great qualities. I wish that they had done the captain soon. After we did one on my than I can Winston Engle and I actually wrote up a captain whose dairy recycle and and outlined a full to our movie and the networks just went the CDs. Just wasn't interested. It was funny. Cbs now on Star Trek to television and because CVS Viacom Paramount. You know and And they just didn't fit in with their business model. Wow you guys just really. Don't get it you know so But I'm glad that I actually generated that that document because of what do series would've been enjoys can't be to work with I. I look forward to working with him again and I really appreciate your time but I can't let you go without saying that many a times I would have the twilight zone companion with me. After watching an episode. I would thumb through that and pick out the different details about the episode. And also what you thought of the episode and it just really made it so much more enjoyable by doing that. Thank you and it was great. It was on the book and You know I'm very glad that I wrote a book about twilights on what was stoppages. Something you know. It's not such quality I mean I recently I did. Fifty commentaries violate them. Blu Ray also produced and sit down and watching them again rash after all these years and it's just finishing. I mean mazing work. And I'm so glad that Rod that show that show and brought Matheson Beaumont and George Clayton Johnson aboard and or Ham nermeen the nominal work and various five. And I go back to twilight zone over just reminded of what possible. And he's just a huge inspiration and Bradbury too. As a matter of fact his is the only episode were Sterling's narration his in it because that's the way Bradbury wrote you know it's real. Yeah Yeah Lane. I talked about What's funny 'cause when when Rod serling sold the twilight when he called Ray and he said I don't know if you're not science fiction and they said come up with the House and I'll I'll teach you came over the house? Ray took him into his basement whereas office was closed. Some books off the shelf one by one of his short story books and by Mattress Bromont when John Collier gave him the Rodney. Read these. And let's talk until Matheson in. Beaumont came aboard twilight zone physically because of of recommending. They were two of his shaved and how that happened and so it was a he raised. Yeah and boy were glad they did. They really added so much to the show and the direction show absolutely phenomenal as far as space command. It'll be a website for that eventually or Space Command. Well they know the stakes command movie. Dot Com which takes you started and and pledge base. Command takes you to the website if you go to started patriots and click through their website. And I think once the once the campaign is over fiscal end movie Dot Com. We'll just either direct line to the website so if one is just used to going that route. Think the right over right over to the website and there's lot of video content and artwork as a concept art and there's a lot of good look at on the website even now great great. That sounds great. Thank you so much for your time mark. And we'll certainly help. Get the word out about this really worthy project. It's going GonNa be a lot of fun for me. The ten year old boy is jumping up and down right now inside of me. So it's GonNa be every day is like my birthday. I really appreciate the opportunity to talk about Tony because he can tell that I really love it. Oh Yeah it's That's that's great. I mean that kind of passion is so necessary. These days In any kind of project. So I'm really glad you've had it for this and also really in your career to do something like this. Thanks again you too. Now bye bye check out this cool and Exciting Project Space Command Movie Dot Com Worthy Project. That deserves your love and support. I can't wait to see what they've done till next time. This is Tony Talada This is Mike Project FI writer stock next generation these days nine Babylon five sliders and the new Space Command. And you're listening to five five talks.
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"Hello friends welcome again to jordan. Rich the podcasts. That the podcast. That highlights conversation with creative people and today no exception. I a thank you to those of you who have ordered my book on air. My fifty year love affair with radio details at jordan rich dot com all proceeds benefit. Boston children's hospital. Today's guest is terrific. His name is richard lert sman and he along with lon davis has written deconstructing the ratpac joey the mob and the summit the rat pack in this case with a capital t. featuring the chairman of the board frank sinatra dean martin. Sammy davis junior. Peter lawford and of course. Joey bishop among others. His book is tell all that brings the inside scoop of just how the mob a future president and five extraordinary performers took the world and las vegas by storm so without any further ado. Let's invite richard alerts men to join us on mike. I'll begin with this. I just saw ocean's eleven for the first time in about fifty years and it was so much fun and it was perfect. Timing because here's your book and is so much here that revolves around this group of individuals. Welcome it's nice to meet you richard george. So it's the sixtieth anniversary of the rat. Pack celebration Is there an actual start date to this particular group of rat packers or what. Yes the start. Date was february of nineteen sixty and never lose based fred's professional friends And they had no each other The the work together and it came together in nineteen fifty-nine ranko nine percent of the sands hotel and he had watched this great. We prima and keely smith. Sam butare at the sahara's lau jack and he loved that looseness that craziness oh prima and when the Owners and the The publicist l. Freeman came to franken said they wanted to create a mega event. He thought of Of the martha hit just worked with some come running and a film and he thought of Of sammy davis junior. Who was just recovering from losing in tramp in a car accident. Frank was kind of pushing them back. Get back on. Stage get his balance and he thought it was great. Enjoy bishop happens to be frank opening act for about eight nine years so he not putting them together no earlier in homely hill he was part of a group with david niven and humphrey bogart alarm a call and mickey rooney and Learn call costs. You look like a pack of rats wrap so when these guys get together. The press started calling them back and in february nineteen sixty got together. Interesting yeah i heard about the the bogey ratpac from a lot of reading on humphrey bogart and all that. And that's kind of cool and lauren. Bacall was a young beautiful lady and she had to. She somehow stuck it out with those guys and was able to put up with and drink with him. I think i mentioned the movie. And was that a planned coming out party for the rat. Pack or whatever. Where did the movie fit in. Ocean's eleven eight. It was all very pleased when they started putting together the summit they called it in las vegas in february nineteenth century Peter lawford had been shopping around the script that he that he got from a gas station attendant. Who ended up his name. Was george clayton johnson. When did up later right. In all a lot of twilight zones logan's were on but at that time he based He in the army he was the black market group out of the army in germany and he thought of the idea bringing the guys when they came back to to the us ever union and to have a heist in las vegas. So that was a script. Frank saw the script from peter. Peter lawford and he says this is so good. You know why should fill much is do this it. So frank took jack warner jack warner loved it. So frank's idea was why. Not shoot this in las vegas where yo- nine percent of the sanzo tell. And jack warner loved it. Because here is if they got free Re shooting Sites in las vegas so frank. The idea was to twenty eight st days on stage like the two shows. Eight o'clock at twelve o'clock seven bucks a ticket and during the nineteen. What do those to go out into the lounge it to the to the casino and causing a lot of our pro gamblers. Wake up at six o'clock in the Bay call of six and we're working all day the film that lewis milestone directed and they did that for twenty eight degrees right right in las vegas and tug about a love letter to the city and a catapult for vegas popularity particularly entertainment right. I mean that lit a fire at that point. That was the plan of the guys. Guys like karl motel. It's carol cohn. Backseat david guys. Who built the city. The so called masters. They said they weren't getting trapped from los angeles and they said why why. We wanna put las vegas on the map but what better to do it with. It was frank sinatra and his buddies so when they plan this out you know where they announced it in january of nineteen sixty. They had two hundred fifty rooms at the santo. Tell have thirty seven thousand reservations so the whole city exploded for twenty eight days. you had. Everybody wanted to be around. Frank dean sammy. I mean everybody wanted to be at the show. You want to be seen be heard that included the future president united states. Who set up to be there. John kennedy by his father. Joe kennedy and his brother in law. Peter lawford so it was explosive. I mean you got every film starling. But row and carey grant. And gary cooper everybody were flying out or driving into las vegas and wanted to be a part of that energy that that frank. Sammy bribe. Indeed we're talking here with you. Richard lert has done a great job on the book. And you had terrific source. It says Joey bishop who is gone now but was one of the last to remain and he granted you quite a few interviews so you must have gleaned a lot from from his inside perspective for about eighteen twenty years. I got to know jodi. Joy had burned a lot of bridges you know. It was very unpopular because he was tough on producers. He was tough really tough out writers at burn a lot bridges and so the last twenty thirty years of his life was pretty He was basically retired out newport beach and in where he lived in a gated community. And so i you know he really he initially said. I wanna talk about the pack but when it came down to it he really. This was his high point of his career. Because here he was. He was the emcee of the inaugural event for john. Kennedy because of frank sinatra and pictures of kennedy all over the wall there are pictures of him and frank dean And he had great stories to tell one his his toughness burnoff he really shared a lot about What during that whole period and about franken dean and sammy and and he thought he was the the glue. The rat pack and i hated the alam but the ramp was deemed franken. Sammy joy was. That was a good journeyman comic. Frank used because he never sucked the. You're out of the room. He wasn't like he brought up. Buddy hackett or don rickles or sheki green you know. Would the exhaust you audience to. Frank came out. Frank wanted the audience just warmed up enough. That's what joey joey was. A guy like pat henry later or countries said weapon for frank who just warmed them up enough for. Frankly come out big show. It makes sense because when you watch whatever exists of the rat pack film archives. You realize franken dean are just knocking it out of the park. One liners and and sammy to in. Their timing is impeccable. I wanna talk about the performances. But i do want to continue to talk about the personalities. Many people who remember. Peter lawford remember him as a suave actor from the forties and fifties. I think anything goes not good news. That was the movie. I remember him and a bunch of other things but i mean he was not exactly what you would call the typical Italian street kid who becomes a member of a ratpac and yet he does. How much of that is because of his political connections quote unquote well. It really was almost all because of that. Franken and peter had known each other from mgm studios and i wrote earlier. Book called the life attention that ruining penal law firm was known for his. He was a big gossip around the studio and he got in trouble. David gardner mickey's first wife. And he did the same with frank. He got franken trouble able to and early fifties. Frank came to a party to to The hip peter the job for for what he started with a so. He did talk to peter for a long time. And when peter got married patricia kennedy. Frank was interesting. This franken done everything. You could do showbusiness. He's whether he won. The academy award was one of the great singers he could do. You could do everything but he wanted. He loved yet. You've been president. Make so he wanted to get closer to drag kennedy and the only way to do that. We'll be peter lawford. So that's what he got. Peter script and when peter came to him and said we that joe kennedy wants to bring john kennedy to the summit for three days at the scene. Frank accommodated them and frank was happy to do that. And joe kennedy. Didn't want son to look like richard nixon. This very batch -i even though john rich richard nixon close to the same age told. Her statue onto is subtle cool to a young generation energetic frank and and the guys gave him that opportunity in fact they eventually started calling the jack pat. They support them. All through the year ran for president high hopes and all that right the song soccer kennedy at the democratic convention. Sixty or any information that we now know about kennedy's Anything anytime during that period in vegas was was he a good boy. It vegas vegas. He was on his best behavior because he was there for appearances. But what happened. Was that joe. Kennedy had talked to his old buddies. Joe had even though. Joe was that the ambassador to the same. James was you know bastard. England he he Had he had known the racketeers because he had worked in prohibition with Up in boston. So he went to to sam giancana mobile anna and tomorrow lansky to mobile and he said you know. There's a lot of heat in las vegas. If my son becomes president will draw. Eat off of you. You'll make sure he doesn't go after you. And he said well what i want from you guys. Want a billion dollar campaign donation and john kennedy. Was there as the bag man. The pick up that million dollars. So savvy peter said you have to see and he took sammy back to karl kohn sweet and in there was a was a satchel with a million dollars in with a set of handcuffs. John kennedy after the three day. What back on a plane with it handcuffed to his hand a million dollars actually took back. The joe. kennedy is such a maze. Because joe had a stroke and bobby kennedy decided to go after. Gmo macchia right and told them in front of the senate. Don't you get like a girl and who knows what happened from that spiracy put. That is such an incredible story to think that You talking about cash now really. We're not talking about a a chit. We're talking about cash right. It wasn't a regular camp lake campaign donations from the wrong guys. You don't want to cross absolutely. We're talking here with richard lert. Sman a tremendous new book called deconstructing. The ratpac joey. The mob and the summit and the reason joey's mentioned is as we just discussed. He was a big part of The interview process for richard. Take us back a little bit before we talk about. What eventually befell them and talk about some of the personalities involved dean martin. It's usually assumed by people in the know that he wasn't in his cups he wasn't drunk all the time that was apple juice or something. He was young. He liked to drink but it was an act. I read about that. Oh you can't do that kind of eight and twelve and wake up the next morning and and be drinking all the time and for dean. It was an act. He was created that you know he. He liked to drink on his own time but professionally. Dean was was a pure professional. So tina martin said one hundred percent whenever she went up on stage of it was always apple juice in his class. You know he played the part of a happy drunk. And that's what sold the You know d mark was in his own life. Your family man and a lot of ways he would go home and jeannie onetime. Gd threw a party in beverly hills. And it's eight o'clock at dean. Said i don't want anymore. This he goes up to his room gets in his pajamas and start watching westerns. And all of a sudden it's nine thirty. The party spoke going out loud. Team calls the beverly hills police and has his own house I love watching him watching the a western getting a joint. I just i. It's always incredible to see how cool he is in an all of his the near and my favorite line is this is as good as i'm gonna be all day or something You know this is when i wake up. You're gonna feel all day team will team was was super cool. He just in real life just never took. It seriously played golf. All day was a pure professional. No matter what what you would say he knew what he was doing. And and you just you know just watching them before a clip with bill and harry mills was his hero as a singer and he. Just you see that that that ease stage it so few people have that just energy at ease and great funny and stage. He had his entire career. He really did until till the end when when he got down after a sunday. An amazing performer. Let's talk about sammy for a minute. You mentioned it was shortly after the accident. That took his almost took his life and he lost an i m and sammy davis. Junior of people have read the book. Yes i can. What an amazing guy. One of my favorite all time entertainers. But what was it. Like for him in places like vegas was he. It was tough you know. He was part of with his dad. The part of the will master tree up and you know they face segregation wherever they went. You know sammy this during the time of the rat pack sammy was was this at the sands hotel and in the sands hotel. The pulled had a floating crap game and they'll play crap right in the middle of the pool. Sammy decides to swim. Swimming at the deep end jumps in and the gamble is turn around. They tell the head of the hotel karl. Kohn cairo code has to drain the pool. Scrubbing sammy jump to. Wow and how do you feel when you when you have that face you. Sammy was was going with may britt. Who was a blonde sweetest actress. We've actually varied and there's tremendous hatred and he got eight letters from everywhere about that and sammy wasn't even allowed to stay until frakes put his flipped out in normal las vegas because there was a quarter african american in the downtown area so it was a it was a tough go. He had so much talent he could think could dance. You do a persecution. And i've stage. There's another dynamo that you really can't capture philby. Had to see him in person really know how much electricity touche one of the most amazing performance. And i've always heard that sinatra did indeed stick up for him and others and he had a lot of peccadilloes but never. Did anyone accused him of not being fair when it came to race and things like that yet richard. Let's take it to the stage and if you take a look at what they did on stage in two thousand eight hundred twenty two thousand twenty one. You'd have the thought police and the wo- crowd just banning them for life. Because this stuff they did was funny as hell and yet it was pro certainly not politically correct comment. If you will on the material that they did you know it's no question you know. The metoo are group's like that would really come down their throats. Twenty twenty you watch ocean's eleven and it's kind of a guilty pleasure but you're talking about women as ring addicting picture of the book you know striking we want broads with franken emptying and it was. It's of the time you know it was. This is the last breath of this full out misogyny and no matter what it's still you know sixty years later. People forgot about a lot of things. But there's maybe twenty or thirty rat pack tribute groups that go around the country and people still love that kind of humor. You know you have to tone it down then you watch ocean's eleven and a lot of films that frank. Did you know it was a of the time you have to consider you know the time of the place but It was hysterical watching. You know i. I watch with my wife. And she's like greater t launch dickinson's treated it ocean's eleven or or shirley maclaine but you know it. It was what it was at that. Time i'm thinking of The live performance that was captured on tape on film Where dean picks up literally picks. Sammy davis up off the floor. And says i want to thank the end of lacey pe- for this award and i mean obviously now it would never happen but it's a showstopper brings the house down and sammy's right there with them going along with did. He generally think that was the appropriate way for him to behave. Did he have any issues. Do you know sammy sammy. Sammy really you know went along with it was all part of the but the fact was that oath that the the group is the ratpac especially the one when you saw the nineteen sixty s the summit every lie was written including that one they had. The writers name was don sherman and his daughter. Amy sherman palladino. Who writes mrs maisel. That sherman road for actually bishop be wrote for Jack prior he wrote for a lot of comics. Along the way lenny. Bruce was good friends at the was very very scripted. So if you saw the eight o'clock show and you went back for the twelve you'd see the same show you'd be seeing that same joke so that same joke. That played in Beside the house in saint louis That he did that they they did that. That joke was was was pre written. And so sammy knew was coming every new coming in. And you know it's part. It was very very look have liberals very very highly. Well that's the magic of it i think. And and you're right in the middle of writing about these great guys. They were so cool in real life And onstage they just sounded like they were just making it up and say every other show is the same and yet it was. It was pure magic in terms of the film. They made a couple of other films. After ocean's eleven didn't they they. They made a film called sergeant street with before ratpac again then after searches three. There was a falling out with peter lawford. Then joey bishop made his film called Robin and seven. And that had sambi crank and dean and replacing. Joey bishop was gyco. This guy gisborne was peter. Falk and replacing peter falk was bing crosby and it was kind of. There's a little irony that bing crosby replaced. Peter falk offered right right. It's funny you should say. Peter falk and bing crosby though you know why from what i understand yeah. Bing crosby was considered for the part of colombo beyond cohen. Peter falk with. Of course i knew that i was just teasing directly from Dick levinson lincoln levinson. Who wrote that Great shelter so. Let's talk about how things fall apart obviously personalities in hollywood always you know we know about jerry and dean. We know about dean and frank and all that but Politically there were some movement of the with kennedy and the famous trip to vegas when he stays with being instead of frank is huge. What happened in that affair. Frank love the eggs. Eddie was close to power and he together. He really went around the country with the rest of the guys pushing for kennedy. So the payoff would be kennedy. Would come and a western white house would be in palm springs where franken has become pound. So everything's planned out since nineteen sixty two. Everything's plans out for the president to come out and visit crank out there and frank bills who builds buildings for meetings. He builds An area for the secret service and everything's being built up and then it comes out that frank was partners with sam giancana the live with martin and joe kennedy tells it tells bobby there's no way that i want. That job is going to go out there. So john and joe kennedy tell. Peter lawford wished his brother lonzo ball. And they said peter. You you're the messenger. Boy and peter goes boat or so. Peter has to call frank and said break John won't be flying out to you. Pray what do you mean he goes. You know it doesn't you know the old man doesn't want this and He's gonna be flying bing crosby's house in palm springs instead of yours which makes it double because being crosby was a republican so franks at the next sound you hear slams out on the phone and peter was tossed out of the next film robin seven hundred and tossed out of anything to do with frank and frank really bad thousand. He was unreliable. So career was really damaged by that one move and as we all know in a few years or a few decades later. Frank is running the inauguration for republican. ronald reagan. Yeah he was old friends with and playing. Frank wrote be near the power and he loved being at the center there and it was an interesting You know part of rank. It's so much more interesting. Richard when you think about giancana and judith exner and all the connections with kennedy in the romance and at least what we've read about over the years i mean this is this is you couldn't make this a movie plot and expect anyone to buy it and yet it's true it's amazing so in terms of the performances on stage beyond the twenty eight that you talked about that we're the centerpiece. I know. they did some chicago and midwestern performances. Right the next step. They go back to los angeles event in april of nineteen sixty the blue hotel where they also feel special elvis presley and frank and alvis kind of Bury the hatchet next generation. And so they're they're they're at the Los angeles in los angeles at the democratic convention. And then in las vegas it's at the premiere of ocean's eleven they did shows for Parise in for Santana semi was own encore presentation when he asked for them so when he wanted the baddest place the also that They eventually to get an house. Showing saint louis They did one more. Show las vegas in nineteen sixty six but basically the rant onstage. He had no desire to go back into a team. You didn't want to be you. Don't go to team brought with jerry west. So he didn't wanna be peaking franken. They all have their own separate careers. But you know by being together it gives them all this attention so no. Sammy was broadly. During that period you know tranquil movies and and what he did and and dean was busy with his showing off his his. Apparently thank you. Sixty was at big year truly interesting. I'm remembering back in boston in the late eighties. I believe it was when They had a tour. And it was supposed to be frank dean and sammy and frank dean got ill took ill and liza minnelli came in it. Would for me would have been the coolest thing in the world to see the three of them together. But i guess it just wasn't destined to happen now. They get to together and they did a few shows. Kogyo and frank. He just was added up to it. His son had died and team made enough money and he just said this is wanted to call the career and so being backed out you know. Said he went to the hospital. Rank was really angry. Place to light when with liza minnelli and that show toured around the country for about a year. That's the one i saw that. Yeah yeah but you know. They still were standing near the end of his life. He died from cancer a couple of years after that and they didn't have that energy that they had nineteen sixty but was almost thirty years later. Right i mean the idea of a bunch of guys in tuxedos most of them smoking drinking something and talking about women the way they did assist incredible. Here's one sort of philosophical question. I guess we remember in the eighties. There was something called the brat. Pack which. I never got into quite frankly but there have been attempts to sort of use the name and Bring up the new personalities. The nothing compares. Will there ever be in your estimation at a conflagration of talent like these guys and gals on stage. I don't think know this was a once in a lifetime. Event that really such great talent and not just you. These guys who were made for steaks t martin for the natural on. Sammy davis junior was so explosive. Seeing frank was one of a time when he went on stage of the voice and the power he held over his audience. So you put like a once. In a lifetime event. Such great talent. I mean would stock and other things that have advanced but never like just three is at at the top of their game like that. You might have read the book not too many years. Go by pete hamill about sinatra. Have you read that one about the style and the the thing quote unquote that is sinatra. I would apply that to all three of them. Three main players Because it was it was something that you really can't describe but you know it when you see it i think. And that's what that's what struck me and i'm younger. I didn't see the luck in the middle of a magical time. That's what people realize those twenty eight days. This is something that you're not going to see again. And they were there. There were poor and their their their way to play off of each other and the way they just held on the palm of their hand and sinatra. And i've seen sinatra states just just absolutely amazing waiting held in audience I used to watch that. Saw martin in las vegas and he was great. I've stayed he was so cool and funny and he played his drunk. Acting and sammy was the same amazing. It's funny to us. I think about this talking with you. I'm delighted to have you as a guest. I'm thinking of the remake of the film. Ocean's eleven with george clooney all star cast. It was a lot of fun. Carl reiner if you go back and watch the original albeit dated. There's something so special about that one. I mean everything about a the fact that it's in vegas and its them. It's all these guys getting together. And people like henry silva who i thought was one of my favorites whether he played a villain or not I mean all these great character actors got together to it's tough to barrel pranks old friend hank henry of area and yet every you know great character actor was part of the cast. Norman fell and others were and it was fun. Seems like a time warp of a lot of las vegas. You'll not you would not see after that after. They were there after this film. I'll say guess. Exploding caesar's palace popped up with circus circus. But that was a different place at different time. Greek fill your book will bring back that life at least in our nation's which was great and it's called deconstructing the rat. Pack joey the mob in the summer. Tell me a little bit about lawn davis to. I'm reading his background here. he's Quite an interesting gentleman what he's written while africa friend of mine line is a story in that written books From silent film to who. I just read the book. I'm the keystone cops call chase and lounge done. By the editors documentaries it'll be tc about francis x bushman. Who is in ben hur and a career and Just a really a film aficionado and television fishing. I don't know you know what i forgot. He knows well. You know a lot. Believe me and You've been sharing it with me and sharing with others. I wanna wish you the best. It was great to meet you and Continued success as we relive a tremendous moment in entertainment history. Thank you so much. Richard think medicare thanks again. Richard alerts mun co author. Along with law davis of deconstructing the ratpac joey. The mob and the summit a must read for my listeners. You'll love the book. thanks again. Everyone who makes this show possible. Dan tibo fast which media ken carberry. Hr productions and certainly to all of you podcast listeners. Who continue to spread the word and we recently surpassed forty two thousand independent lists and the appreciate again details about me and my new book on air available at jordan. Rich dot com. I will see you next time until then be well so you can do good take.
William F Nolan
"Michael CERBERUS The observer from fringe and Jebediah Loeven from stake land and you're listening to sci-fi talk today's interview with Master Storyteller William F Nolan. Who has more than eighty three books in print he is known for Co Authoring. Logan's run with George Clayton Johnson. But his work is not solely confined. Sf pending thirteen horror novels and working briefly on culture the night stalker has a new collection of stories for paranormal investigator. David KINCAID ON ROCKET. Ride books but true legend. Sf and Har William F Nolan. It was It was great to to have the opportunity to speak to you about Your new project that you're working on King Kate Right and So you can talk about that. Was this something that you had an idea for recently or just something that you've been has been kind of with you for a while now can't goes way back to the seventy s when I was working with producer director. Dan Curtis on a On a movie the called enormous David New Orleans was the paranormal investigator. That was called to this woman's house because her husband was was Had RISEN FROM THE DEAD? She felt in with threatening her life and So that that developed under where we the week and then many years later I decided I would take the character of a paranormal investigator and do some stories about him. But I didn't want to didn't WANNA call him nor or less of the other. The other thing was called the New Orleans tapes. I called him David Kim and instead of David nothing but he was still basically the same character. Paranormal investigator who had strong doubts about the paranormal. And the and the and the supernatural investigated these things that they came up and I I wrote a original Novella for for Special Nolan issue of Weird Tales and the nineties. I think ninety one that was and And then I thought well that's the end of it. But no I I got another idea for Cam and wrote a second story. A dollar left call pirate's moon and then that seemed to end it but no I got an assignment novella for a small publishing house. Call cemetery dance. And so I wrote a novella starring Kim Kate for for them under the title of the Hard Winchester House and then when when The opportunity to camp came along to put them all together into one book. That's what I did and And that's that's the origin of cool. How did you and Anthony? Find each other well. He asked me to do He told me with doing who goes there. Oughta he'd heard that I'd done some work on. Who goes there and I said Yeah. I did a complete outline for for universal. They called me into allied before before they did the final version with another director and writer and I said I did earlier version and he said well you still have that and I said yes I sh- I still have it and I. He thought it was terrific and and printed along with a reprint of the story. Who goes there by Campbell and so we we've came associates at that point. That's cool. What's interesting is Assisting can cater kind of helping him. A little bit is is a cup friend. Mike Lucero his policeman so he kind of take places that maybe he wouldn't be able to go on his own. Yeah Well Sara is not based on any real person is based composite idea. I have of what a sheriff's station a sheriff's station officer might might might be like and I i. I gave him some kind of wild background by shopping character. I always like to create three dimensional characters not just flat cardboard territory so Michael Acerra became. I didn't think he would become as important as he did. Became Khaimah co Co Hero you might say along with nor Orleans. He's almost as important as New Orleans. He's in every adventure and He he enormous rick close friends and They help each other and I ended up writing a lot more about Mike. Massaro that I ever intended but that happens right as over. You never know what you're GonNa do with your characters until you start to develop them. It's cool actually. I do remember the tapes and If I remember correctly that was Roy Thinnest who played them into the investigator right. Yeah that's cool. That's really interesting. I realize you behind that at that was excellent. It was probably at that time just a little bit too much ahead of its time like culture. Was You know? Well it would've been a series Did a sequel call that the return the New Orleans return but let the problem was a minute. We had the thing on the air and I've got very good ratings and good credit to critical acclaim. But the minute gone here. The the writers guild of of California the WG a called a strike and the strike lasted for two or three months of title was over all the projects that they did different networks that had in the works were discarded and started up with a whole new line of work. Which is very typical. Hollywood and Orleans went the way of other than it would have been a series but the writers strike killed the idea as far as can que. Did you know if there is going to be an audio book done of this as well? I'd heard something about that. I don't I haven't seen it or I I really don't know much about it. I heard something about the fact that would be Since you wrote this screenplay for the thing how do you not a screenplay with it was a complete film outline? Yeah so what? What is your take on the On the story and the cinematic versions event story was quite different from the one that they finally went for They I had the idea of a of ancient spaceship. That crash on earth. Many millenniums go deep buried in the earth deep very under the ice on the Arctic and this ship lands there the carries the creature that from the movie. Think about other world that's simply scout ship set. Try to locate the mothership. And when they do locate the mothership they rebuild it underground and it I out of the ice returns to the stars at the end. None of that. None of ETA than they The final version. The final four. But I thought it worked really well. Oh cool cool now for kincaid as it's the casebook so about how many stories are in the case. I've only ridden three. And they're all in their cool who you know. There are some interesting things a headless corpse. That sounds cool Yup. I handled that rather well. I thought I had. I had the description of the two people swimming out into the ocean and and I said one went home with the other. The other ones he stayed and His body law back and forth in the ways and then and I created a kind of a moot piece and then I put a single and I said he wasn't returning home for one thing as head was missing that introduced the Carson the beginning. Yeah and you have a shape shifter Demon as well. That's right that's always a lot of fun. Yeah well I figure that if the whole story went through the The the idea of a of a of a woman being the the Villain Anna turns out that the shape shifting mail. I mean it's it's a shape shifting demon become. A woman are male desires. I've never seen that used before. I've heard of shape shifting demons but I've never read any stories about them and I thought boy this would make a nice little twists there. They've been seeking. The woman turns out to be a male demon. So that was fun. Okay and then There is Your well it's typical but there's a house horrors or perhaps haunted house housing there too. Well Yeah my wife and I visited the Winchester House which was Many years ago by thorough winchester she was the wife of the man who invented the Winchester rifle and she felt very guilty about all all the men and women and children have been killed over the years with winchester rival associate when she moved into winchester. How small farm. And she said that she's GonNa keep adding at building to it in reparation for all of the all of the harm. Her husband's a rifle 'cause and She felt that she was being haunted. By the ghost of all the people that have died under the under the winchester rifle. So I I visited winchester. How the IT's up in San Jose California with my wife and I asked that the caretaker there i. I'm sure there've been a lot of ghost stories written about this place and she said nope not a single one. I said you're kidding. I said well let all right one. And that's great so Mr Kincaid heads up there yes yes he's one of the character is still by him in part but it's also televised victims of the House. The Guy in the house. I switched the narrative around I the other two are totally narrated by him and first person with the winchester are I moved different narrative narrators around I. He never as part of it and he is a central core of it but he is the only one that tells the story the the the stories also told from other perspectives kind of a challenge to the writer to be able to pull something like that off but I think it works. We're kind of lead you in that direction. What was the idea behind that? Oh I just I got tired of doing the same thing. I every. Every time I write something I try to stretch the Vulcan going a slightly different direction and I thought it would be fun to chat to switch narrators and here which is seldom done and story and tell it from different perspectives. I it was just an idea I had. I think it's a very cool one. That's great. That sounds awesome. So is there Are we going to hear more from caney thing where people have asked me about a novel and and and I said well if it pops into my head to do something for him? I never thought ended up doing three things about him. I thought I'd only do one originally. I said so who knows that that might happen. At the moment. I have no plans for any further kincaid writing. But you never know. Would you ever consider maybe having him come to the big or small screen It would depend on some kind of film actress or somebody if If if the publisher can get people interested in the film Yeah sure I bring to the screen but if I ate. I'm way beyond their age where people write original screenplay are even adapted screenplay so it would have to be somebody in. Hollywood red got interested in it had contacted the The publisher but I don't expect that's going to happen. But if it is sure I'd be happy to make a crack at it. Now you know you're behind Logan's run certainly a really a really unique idea for fi novel that Your Life actually ends at thirty. I thought that was a really cool thing. The twenty one of the novel twenty right. Yeah and much more frightening out of your chains and suddenly you're under your twenties near dead at thirty The reason it's thirty in the movie and the remake of doing that Warner Brothers is the age of they moved up Asia thirty like MGM originally twenty five years ago but the reason. They did that they. They can't cast a whole motion picture of experienced actors under under the age of You know when they're fifteen or sixteen or Seventeen nineteen or twenty. They can't do that and they have to have older actress. So the The star Logan's run is his name Gosling. He's thirty years old so they they moved up to thirty which I don't think has nearly as effective. I can understand why they did it. Sure sure and you mean what's your thought on the original film that came out in nineteen seventy six with Michael York. I think I think it's a fun film. I think the that's are wonderful and other headquarters and they all Lincoln memorial so forth. I think that's great but I think the authorities rather silly but but Michael York Ungeni editor. We're so good at the British trained actors. They're both Shakespearean trained actor that they transcended the characters has written a screenplay they made the characters bigger than than the screenplay actually projected them And so I'm very pleased with what they did with the main characters. I'm not so happy with the last third of thing where they met Peter Youth off and he begins this whole thing about the cats and all I thought that slowed everything down to a crawl and it wasn't a book anyway But the first two-thirds thought we're pretty good. I enjoyed it now So how did the new version had today Today contact you about it. Is that how it started or no? They bought all rights. Mgm bought all rights to Logan's run not to the secret. I did Logan search longest world and journey. I've done three sequels but not they. They bought all the rights and once they buy all the rights. They don't have to consult a writer anymore. They just take the whole project over and give it to other writers. The new version of the more brothers has had eleven different writers on it over the last fifteen years and four different directors. They finally got a package together. Now that they're gonNA film and British Columbia and Vancouver in the fall and released next year. So it's going to happen. Finally but it's taken fifteen years. Hollywood moves very slowly on these things but when you figure they're spending a hundred and twenty five million dollars one one sale now. I guess you don't want to rush into something unless you're sure what you've got so that that's why. I think it's a long know that the original film was Was dated and also it lacks special effects. We can put into it. They really fantastic special effects that they didn't have back that day or talk to you at all about this in any way I might come in as a as a consultant at up in British Columbia as a as a film that I might come in but I haven't really discussed anything L. on that line and I they didn't have anything to do with the writing of it so I'm just I'm just a coffee. There is a novel and the that will that will be on the screen. Mike I got the credit on the screen and get a large amount of money out of it when they make it but No I don't creatively. I'm really not involved with it. What what's on What's on the table for you coming up? What are you working on anything else I go into? I'm working ten different books right now. Yeah okay got a full biography of Dashiell Hammett of nine hundred pages with an page. Ed Leo and a full blogger fee of Max brand. Who wrote to rise again? Dr Kill there. There's never been a real real biography of faust. Frederick Faust his real name. I just finished a collection of new short stories for Arkham House. The cold dead man walking and other shadow tales. That'll be out probably a year or two Working on three anthropology of of Fantastic supernatural material with another writer. And I and I'm working on a new logan novel with the same writer. Where two especial Logan Will Rogan falls in which he's killed but at the end we find out he's really not he's not dead. We're going to kill him off and then bring it back so plus a lot of assignments that I have on magazines at all I can. I keep busy all the time. I don't manage. They'll they'll ever be a time when I'm not working on several projects. What's that like for you to come back to Logan after all these years It's very familiar because I've been working with him. Ever since I created the character back in the sixty seven and sixty five I wrote at sixty seven. It became a book from Donald Press. And I've done a lot of I. I've worked on a television series. I did a story then. They didn't film it. But I wrote one I've I've written a lot of articles on him and and And I've written two sequel our that no three sequel novel so for the new one. I'm doing now I. I'm very comfortable with Logan. I I I understand him and I fit into his world and I. I'm able to to go back to it. Almost like one goes home again. It's very familiar territory now. How do you view science fiction these days? I mean you certainly have been a part of it and set your own part of history with it. But how where is it at in your mind? These days rather cynical about science fiction today to me such section today mostly about wizards and dragons and enchanted forest and they really high fantasy more science fiction. There is some science fiction being done. But I love the Golden Age of Arthur Clark. The MAC and Ray Bradbury and And I as a mom and Alfred Bester and Philip K Dick and those are the last six. I love the new writers. I really don't really care for I've tried a few of them as just not my cup of tea. I I guess I'm living in the past but I think the golden ages past and we're now into a kind of high fantasy version of science fiction which is just not my to my liking and what aboutism since you've your new dabbled in horror as well Certainly film wise. We've seen Kind of a rebirth of horror. You might say yeah. Well I have a new CD series called tales. From what if all dark universe that'll be a series of CD thirteen different episodes from the book Under the same title animals with bluewater comics here in Vancouver on on a comic book series based on the book I haven't been involved myself with with films or television on it yet but that that's the future. I it could happen but I've done a lot of horror writing. In fact I probably written or terrorists. Suspense Kinda stuff than than anything else. about a hundred and eighty short stories A great number of them are around that Chandra. Yeah it's a it's a very challenging field because you can just about do anything with it and I like the open of the open end. Feeling that I that I am powder when I get into into that kind of now for rocket riders. Are you going to happy doing anything else with him? At this point with rocket ride books and Anthony. I don't know we haven't discussed anything. It depends on how the new one selling and and how and how things develop. I haven't I've been so busy working with so many other books that I haven't really investigated it but I like him a lot and I like his books a lot and we made something together again in the future. Yeah says he I liked. I just liked the way he approached. you know who goes there and and really gave it its own You know No Novella and novel. It was just good to even notice a short story. It was good to kind of. It's been packaged and shoved into so many collections. It was nice to kind of put it spotlight on. Yeah Yeah I think it. Time to renew it. And it's good to have back in Trenton. They racial versus like John Campbell. Yeah absolutely well. It sounds like it sounds like retirement is not something you do well on my birthday. I slow down even retire after that. But I'm certainly not going to slow down and I and I'm more than twenty years away from that. I still got a lot riding today. Yeah that sounds great and and speaking of the special effects and and what we can do these days I mean that's look look at the difference even from the original low confronts what they can do today. I mean it kind of blindsided all of us a little bit. Well it's GonNa be I think Logan's run is going to be one of the big picture of next year. I think it I know. In in seventy five at ran for the entire summer Usually picture will run one or two months. And that's the end of it but Logan's run with the one of the big of the summer seventy five and I think the new version with special effects and everything if they if they get the story right if they get the love affair between Jessica and Logan which is the key to the whole thing even if they get that right and put in a special that we have today. I think it's going to be a major film. That'll that'll be running for several months and make a lot of money for the studio. What was your take on the TV series? That was done on love. Oh I didn't like that at all I. I came in on it and they wanted me to be story editor and they told me what they were going to do with it and I said this is terrible idea. You'RE GONNA send up around this rubber truck From one little telephone booths entry to another. They go underground solve some problems and then get back in the rubber truck again. That's terrible and they said well the only thing we could come up with. And how would you like to be story editor and I said no? I'd rather not join the crew of the titanic. If you don't so that that was the end of that I did write one outline for for one they never produced. But no they Gregory Harrison. Heather Menzies simply not suited to play logo. Just all had no chemistry between them. You never believed them all at the cared about her and and neither one of them really had nearly the stature the death of agriculture. And Michael Your so I think if you get the wrong cast for your main church or is your big trouble right away. And that's what killed US series. They just didn't have any chemistry between them whatsoever. Yes I totally agree. I totally agree with that. And that's why hasn't even seen the light on DVD. And probably never will probably the way I saw all the episodes that they came out one by one but I was not impressed. I felt that I've been writing my assessment of the other factors. The thing was going to go down the tubes it only lasted for thirteen episodes. I think only channel those were actually Tele Kathy United States at three more telecasts in English but I I know it was going to die at when that cast and that idea the rubber truck running around. I said this is gonNA. This is not going to work and the people that did it. Have Tim off A lot of other Charlie's angels and other things they they had no idea what size sexual about. They didn't know how to write it and they told me that We don't we don't know anything about science fiction but we're GONNA do Logan's run and I thought well there's that's death right there. That's that's a curse of death row. You know your field. If you're gonNA ride that general. I totally agree with that. I totally agree well. Qena Paranormal Casebook is the most recent thing and and and definitely will keep our ears to the grindstone. Hear what else is coming out from you but that sounds like a really cool idea. And I certainly loved the X. Files and the one that inspired culture check and I would love to say your take wrote. I wrote a check by the way it was. It was a third long-term long coal check. Follow the the first two. The Richard Method that I wrote the night killers in a week. I one hundred page script. I wrote it in a week and then Richard took it over and and we collaborated on it and it was. It was within a week of going. We're GONNA fill in Hawaii where the robots take over that Y and government one by one a coach. Find out about this but nobody will believe him and he. They're they're they're they're not real they're machines. You think that President of Hawaii the machine. That's right so that that would have been a lot of fun and again. It got canceled at the last moment when they when they sold a series of the monster of the week. A terrible idea. They told sold a series and Dan Curtis and myself and Richard Math and we all just abdicated. We all just okay. That's of that. We don't want anything to do with the series. Yeah but I did do a call check. Yeah that's great. That was a great show too so I love the character. Yeah the original movie I think is a classic really beautifully done and Darren just really found. He just found him you know he was perfect for coal check. Yeah something about. Him is absolutely perfectly cast. Richard Matheson was just the writer to do it and Dan with just the director producer to bring so are they definitely was a magic team and when I joined I thought we were GonNa do something with the third one and unfortunately we we cut the. Hey that something I definitely would have loved to have seen you know I as a shame. Shame well I really WanNa thank you for taking the time to talk to me. I've had a great time and I'm glad we had a chance to connect talk about.
Serling, Bradbury and The Body Electric
"You're traveling to another dimension. A dimension not only of sight and sound but of mine a journey to a wondrous land whose boundaries or that of imagination in your next. Stop Tonight's twilight twilight zone distinguishes itself as a landmark episode. For a couple of reasons it is the point at which the show uh-huh comes into triple figures with episode one hundred but it's also the point where a name has been conspicuously. Absent isn't finally comes into the fold. It is one of those moments that should be monumental like two great eight actors finally sharing the screen together or the reformation of a loved but long disbanded rock band. Who finally we get together again on? Stage by nine hundred and sixty three ray. Bradbury was a science fiction powerhouse. He had Over fifty short stories published which leads to over ten published collections of his work and novels the head been numerous television and radio adaptations including five episodes of Alfred Hitchcock presents. His story the fog horn had been adapted into the film. The beast from twenty thousand fathoms. which wasn't the fairest giant monster movie but it is interesting in its timing when we frame it against the first cod zillow fell? That would come out of Japan the year later. So Ray Bradbury and rod sailing together last seems to be one of those moments that should have been written in the stars the literary Leviathan. Ray Bradbury on the television Titan road sailing surely now robbery would join the likes of Richard Matheson and Charles Beaumont in the twilight zone stable well. Tonight's it's episode starts out well enough a beautiful American neighborhoods and an emotionally charged conversation between a widower George Rogers Rogers and his children's and about how his three children Tom and Karen or coping with the death of their mother certainly a situation that is ripe for examination by the twilight zone and just waiting for that element of the unusual to be dropped into this very relatable everyday occurrence so we can sit back and see what happens This is our sing the body electric. What does that mean sing? The body electric is the model. Donald Facsimile Limited. I sing the body electric. Let me see that inventors. And makers of electrical shadows news effigies mimics mannequins and a chain to parents who worry about inadequate nurses in schools. Who are concerned with the moral and social the development of their children we have perfected an electronic data processing system? Well what does that mean. Daddy addle electric data processing system in the shape of an elderly woman built sort of robot. A woman built with precision with the incredible ability of giving loving supervision to your family tonight. We're going to walk through a doorway to examine the story where those stars did align with. The two giants ends of their mediums. Did come together. But we'll also examine the story behind the story and try to understand that why when when we walked through that doorway. It slammed short behind those never to be opened again tonight on the the twilight zone podcast sailing bradberry and the body electric. They make fairly convincing pitcher. It doesn't seem possible loaded and find a woman who must be ten times better than mother in order to seem half as good except of course in satellite face broadcast on the eighteenth of May nineteen sixty two written by Ray Bradbury and directed by William Claxton and James Sheldon so rudd sailings opening. Narration is very short and to the point this time round. I need delivers it. With a certain amount of good humor. The twinkle in the eye is very evident. And there's been so for me to make appear like he's here in the scene it's clearly a whip pan and put together a set but what I do love is that there is a certain level of of interactivity. Sailing is sitting back at the desk. Smoking a cigarette and reading the magazine that the family have just been reading in the scene. So not quite full marks on this one but certainly some things to like in. Now you will notice that said the names of two directors William Claxton and James Sheldon and the twilight zone was generally a show directed by one person. But if we look back at the history of the times when there have been two directors it's usually because the episodes road to the screen has been a rocky one one thing the mighty Casey where the death of an actor meant that the majority of it needed to be re short or buster Keaton's episode once upon upon a time when they were re shooting scenes just to try and make it work and this episode continues that trend because it does have some mm troubles of its own so the face directed to work on it was James Sheldon and he was an experienced twilight zone director with the whole whole truth. Penny for your thoughts long distance call. It's a good life still valley and now this. I sing the body electric so this this is his sixth and final twilight zone and the second director was William Claxton and he too is an experienced twilight. Its own director. And this is the last of four twilight zones that he helmed the phase three being the last flight the jungle and the little people so to twilight zone directors bowing out on this one quite why that to twilight zone directors. We'll come back the later on so before we get to our episode proper let starts to build a picture of the relationship between Rudd sailing ailing and Ray Bradbury and to help do this. I called upon an old friend of the show whose research into this very subject forms. A chapter in her book when known sailing an episode the history. So welcome back to the show. Amy Boil Johnston Amy. Thank you so much for joining me today. Of course it's my pleasure. We're here to talk about the relationship between Rod sailing and Ray Bradbury and and from your book on known sailing. I know it's something that you have some experience with you. You Research Aloft for the book now. They wear friends at one point. So could you just briefly. Tell us how they came to know each other and what that early relationship was like is only known from Bryant or his his point of view certainly not leave any documents about that According to Bredbury sewing head this idea idea for a series in so he approached Ray Bradbury in supposedly said. I don't know what I'm doing and Bradbury said coming over to my house introduce you know. Bunch of writers seems not so true serving. Well aware these writers ahead of Time I. I was trying to develop a series as back. Nineteen fifty seven. Okay so you think maybe raise 'em exaggerating in things to a degree. I think bradberry is making it. Look as if he had morbid influenced any debt. I see surly these writers. Here's in sterling at the idea for this show long before it ever met Ray Bradbury so at this time when road. Sailing is developing the twilight zone. What was ray bradbury up to Bradbury was creating his own? TV production with Kirk. Douglas Burgum productions and it was going to be called report from space. In fact the deck name was Bernard Production Presents Ray. Bradbury's work from space. bradberry was going. It is science fiction program for network. TV in so that fell through it to fifty nine. The the rights returned in bribery. Had been trying to sell program for two years so when red berries urban can stale surly. twits it's now going to go on the air in the documentary Charles Beaumont short life twilight zones magic mind by Jason and and Sonny Bloch bradberry gives an account of Rod. serling coming to him saying I wanNA make his science fiction television show. But I don't know what I'm I'm doing. I'm bradberry says to get in contact with Charles Beaumont and Richard Matheson and get them to write for him and then he goes on to say that He will maybe throw in some episodes for him to an INN. MARQUESA crease updated. Twilight zone companion. He recounts this story to so now. It's hard to say for definite whether this conversation actually happened. Like that. As Amy says we only have ray Bradbury's WED foray and if it did actually happen I suppose in my head sailing saying I want to make this show and I don't know what I'm doing. Would more likely be his trademark humility rather than him having really no idea what he's doing. Hey often had this very self depreciating sense of humor. So it is possible that Bradbury may be gave him some pointers here and there or they at least had a conversation about boutet because Ray Bradbury was a mentor to several writers of that day. Richard Mattison once wrote of them in a Charles Beaumont among collection the magic man. It was ray who helped both choke myself in the initial steps of our writing careers as he had helped others. I I was living in Brooklyn at the time just graduated from college and Ray was highly generous in his correspondence and encouragement. Meant a good deal to me. Choke fortunate enough to be living in Los Angeles had more personal contact with ray and accordingly enjoyed an even closer communication shen and a greater proportion of encouragement and inspiration. I know that it meant a good deal to him as well now clearly in in the Charles Beaumont documentary that I just mentioned Brad Breeze tone in the interview is one of animosity towards rod sailing and he then goes on to say in not so many words that sailing went Hollywood. His success changed him and went to his his head. Now it's tough to sit and listen to that as a road sailing fan because we're only really getting one side of the story and read sailing. Isn't there to defend himself. Although we will hear the occasional comment from serling about the situation that he made made when he was alive. Let's now focus on when they wear friends and Ray Bradbury was potentially submitting stories stories to the twilight zone. Now I know the bribery submitted. Three story so the twilight zone. I sing the body. Electric is one of them. Have have you seen any documentation To do with the other two or have you actually seen those missions. They see a rough treatment treatment of the Tigers in the problem with ride berry which is also bribery. Strength Bradberry has a hard time interpreting Tori and surly accepted that. That doesn't make it easy for TV but here tigers was or other. It's actual emotional scrape than it was early in the twilight zone companion. Mark Zicree writes writes this about one of those never produced Ray Bradbury script and he says here. There be tigers concerns an expedition of space explorers floors that lands on the planet. So idyllic that it seems impossible. Digress is short and smells newly mown. Streams are filled with wine wine. Fish jump out of cold springs into hot springs and Cook Right there before your eyes wins gently lift you so that you can fly like a bed. The men quickly realized that the entire planet is a single conscious entity one willing to supply the slightest whim simply in return for kind treatment. The men take this in stride enjoying the first class treatment. All except Chatterton Dominiol Arolla Gist. WHO men call chat? He's wary of the planet and doesn't trust. He warns the other saying to quote my pace or once in medieval evil history. Here there tigers when you're all asleep the Tigers and cannibals will show up finally Chatterton attacks the planet planet with a huge drill mounted on a tractor the planet swallows detract in a carpet. Then Summons Tiger the kills Chatterton. The rest of the men hurriedly board their ship all but one who elects to remain behind from space explorer. See the planet erupting and volcanoes avalanches and lightning storms but this is only an illusion for their benefit on the surface. The planet is Serene Serene with a running start the lone crewman leaps into the air and flies away from the camera over the horizon to where the distant voices of laughing being women can be heard and apparently the other story that was pitches to potentially be produced was called a miracle of red device. Vice and Zicree says it consents to likable trump's who attempt to homestead a mirage that assumes the appearance of any city the Patterson looking at it was most wanted to visit so although the twilight zone would often visit alien planets. I think from the sounds of Eh here. They'd be tigers especially does sound very ambitious for a twenty three minute twilight zone but at this point we are about six six minutes into tonight's episode. I sing the body electric and I will keep mentioning the time explain. Why later on so the a family get to facsimile limited with a meat a salesman played by volunteers? You come in please. We've I've been expecting you. Now Vaughn Taylor is a fire time twilight zone player and we've seen them already in time enough at last and still valley and and we'll see him again in the incredible world of Horace Ford and the Self Improvement of Salvador. Ross if I choose a favorite scene scene from this episode. I think it's this one. I love the way that George and the children step into the building and it is just complete blackness with the silhouette of the doorway behind them I went not disappears. We all left with the character of the salesman played by volunteer. And he has this wonderful quality to them. That's reminiscent of a Walt Disney order. Willy Wonka from Charlie and the chocolate factory the the inventor who just loves his own inventions and loves to see or the P. Bolt enjoying his inventions so he fills everything with a real sense and so one day an shows them around reveling in their one and disbelief at what they're seeing so we get shown around this completely -pletely pitch black room and the blackness of it really does look good on. Today's high definition versions of the twilight zone is suggest the bits and pieces is the is the lips limbs from which you choose the elements which will become your grandmother. You mean we get to pick out the color of show have and how tall exactly you will pick it up and put them down this shoot where they will be conveyed to our back. I think she should have blue eyes. These is here. No Brown bags play marbles with so while the children choose the parts of their electric grandmother. Let's quickly meet the Rogers family. George Rogers is played by David White and he's joining us for his second and last twilight zone role and we've previously seen in a world of difference now I won't go into his bio too much but he's one of those faces that we all know from something and he certainly was one of our very very hard working actors of the day and while he has a hundred and twenty nine listed credits on IMDB which is a respectable number when you factor into that things like his role of Larry Tate in bewitched which went on one hundred ninety one episodes then he really to start an his hard working actor badge but for this comic book. Fan The thing that I'll always remember him for is his role as this j Jonah Jameson in the one thousand nine hundred seventy S. Nicholas Hammond Spider Man television series now the three Rogers Children I. We'll just summarize their BIOS briefly but there are certainly some interesting details here so Tom Rogers was played by Charles Habits and he was a pretty pretty successful child actor of that time he was about fourteen years old here and he had a number of credits to his name. That would put so so adults to shame by this point but he would only go onto wake for another six years as a screen actor the transition from adorable audible muppet to awkward teen can be a difficult one for some actors and apparently this was the case for Charles Habit and when the roles dried up in the late fifties he had little to show financially for his numerous television and movie roles with most of his money having gone to his parents so Charles unfortunately had problems with substance abuse later in life which took several years ears to get on top of an apparently he did become clean in two thousand and five and would occasionally hit the Science Fiction Convention Circuit Jacket or he died too young of a heart attack at the age of sixty seven in twenty fifteen now Karen Rogers was played by Hi Dana dill away and she would have been about twelve at this point. I'm while acting. Career did spun twenty two years between one thousand nine hundred fifty six and nineteen nineteen seventy eight. She only has a modest sixteen credits. Although one of them is very significant was twilight zone funds this because she played Maggie Polanski in the second twilight zone episode one for the angels and finally an Rogers was played. Played by Veronica Cartwright who certainly gone on to be a successful actor from here on in. She's English actor and would have been about thirteen at this. This point and she was in several shows after time. Leave it to be Alfred Hitchcock presents and so on but also see that inter her television credits were roles in films. Like Alfred. Hitchcock's the beds and since then she has truly become a hard working actor of several generations with a hundred and fifty credits to a name and counting. And she's still waking to this day and possibly one of the most. Most famous roles was Lambert. In Ridley Scott's alien where she famously got splattered with John Heads Blood when the creature best out of his chest I wanNA give my marbles with bows in the she and is like fees. Gosh oh she only had long hair so with the component and parts chosen. Why don't we wait for the factory to do their work and get back to the story? Behind the story we've had array bradberry submitted three stories to the twilight zone but only one was made. So was this the reason that the relationship ship between him and Rod sailing soured will according to Ray Bradbury. There was more than in your book. You examine the accusations of plagiarism. The bradberry makes against Rudd sailing. So what was he. Basing these accusations on was a particular stories was in Bredbury story of Peter's changed well it changes favorites plus when he accused him of players in the sixties in it again later in its life when his authorized biography came out he changed the accusations. Different story so bradberry story players hit more so it's important to recognize that just in later life he had taken early in life he'd taken walking stents which is a very personal personal and almost autobiographical story. That certainly had come up when he was back on. A family vacation. Also made some accusations about where it is every body didn't he yes. That was the one where he was compared to the guy on Mars who gets who hooks up with a woman by phone so you know you. You examined examined these accusations. What what did you find? Surly wrote two letters of his time in finding exact date in December nineteen sixty sterling two letters one. It's to Beaumont journal December fifth in one. Is Ray Bradbury in the letter to Beaumont is much longer. He says dear chuck in he laid out the accusations in more in what happened was is almost like a snowballing in avalon. The fact of played Comes out of this is is that there was plagiarism. A bradberry but not by Rod serling but actually George Clayton Johnson. Really in what I pointed out the George Frank Johnson. I interviewed him the same week of interviewed Bradberry in bribers at his home in Jordan Johnson. We went restaurant. Had the PATIOS for three Hours George Clayton Johnson. In Ray Bradbury new isn't happened in near man cared about. They voted. That was WANNA go. Wow and they were really good friends so it was shocking to me that there was no anger over that and then you you put that against how he speaks about sailing. That is very shocking. Yes in in the new in the authorized biography of Ray Bradbury called Albright Berry. Chronicles is rick based Wiler Take Sadler to task Sam Weller interviewed Bradberry his home over a period of a year. He refers to Ray Bradbury as ray in he never even went two hours worth of Samuel Retirement Chicago those up to Madison Wisconsin where he would found the lead or is about and according to Ray Bradbury surly surly with supposedly lying in bed. One night in looked over his wife in the they've talked about similar of a story. It was Mrs Serlin who toyed similarities to draw in said. Look in a told me about this. She said how would you know what I sit in bed. It's Okay Sam. Repeating a story that Ray Bradbury has said something that Carol Sterling's said with no paper trail now in that book as well He speaks about a phone call between sailing. bradberry in which sailing at least in part admits bribery taking inspiration from his stories. And and the way they tally. It's as if he admits the plagiarism. What are your thoughts about the phone? Call certainly early loved writing letters which grateful for and it seems likely that they would have done that. Without putting in writing surly documented his Special career in correspondents in Sending letters of faking alerts ladders to acknowledge other writers in particular so it seems odd that he would do that. It seems seems to me as well if indeed there was a phone call you know. Sailing is as a certain amount of humility and I could imagine him saying something like okay. I'm sorry you feel that way or especially when you see the tone of his latter. I just can't imagine them at maintenance and saying sorry and in that way I mean yes in sterling was a champion for other writers as earl. Hater told me in an interview sterling. Other writers DIGGITY television writers So surly wanted to lift up as many riders as he could consider that one of his purposes of being the producer of the TV show was acknowledging the writers that came within in when he who held his enemies he said boy will have to. I'm paraphrasing he. Truly either other writers made his awards so one of the stories that Ray Bradbury. I was basing his claim of plagiarism. On was the twilight zones pilot episode. Where is everybody? And he was saying that it was plagiarized from one of his stories which was called the silent towns which was from the Martian chronicles. Some commentators commentators have mentioned that Ray Bradbury actually saw whereas everybody and was very complimentary about it at the time. But why don't we just check out the opening scenes of the silent towns to see whether there is any similarity the silent towns by Ray Bradbury when there was a little white silent town on the edge of the dead marsh and see the town was empty. No one moved an lonely lights banned in the stores all day. The shop shop doors were wide as if people had run off without using their keys. Magazines brought for Mass on the Selva rockets a months before fluttered on touched banning brown on wire racks fronting. The silent drugstores. The town was dead. It's expanse were empty and cold. The only sound was the power on of electric lines and dynamos still alive all by themselves. That's what I ran. Forgotten bus towards poured out into living rooms onto porches announcer little garden plots to feed neglected it flowers in the dock theaters gome under the many seats began to Houghton with two impressions. Still in it across trust town was a rocket port. You could still smell the heart scorch smell when the last rocket blasted off when it went back to where if if you drop the diamond the telescope. I'm pointed at as perhaps you could see the big war happening there. Perhaps you could see New York explode. We're maybe London could be seen covered with a new kind of fog pop San. It might be understood why the small Mush in town is is abandoned. How quick was the evacuation Walkin? Any store buying Zeno sale key Castro's compounds pounds Albright Jingly was coins that were. Ns must be very bad along the empty avenues of was this town now whistling softly kicking a tin can ahead of him in deep concentration came a tall thin man. His eyes glowed with talk. Quiet look of loneliness. He moved his bony hands in his pockets which were tinkling with new dimes. Occasionally I mean. He tossed a dime to the ground. He laughed temporarily. Doing this on walked on sprinkling bright's dimes everywhere. When his name was Walter Grim he had a place a mine and remote shack far off the Blue Martian hills and he walked town every two two weeks to see if he could marry a quiet and intelligent woman over the years he had always retained to his shock alone in in disappointed a week ago arriving in town he had founded this way uh so perhaps on the surface you can see that? Where is everybody and the silent? Towns are both based on quiet quiet deserted towns but to be honest that's pretty much where the similarity ends clearly in the twilight zone one. The setting is a complete mystery. The main character does know who he is. He doesn't know where he is. And we don't know those things I are there and when the truth is revealed contains out that he was never really there at all now in the silent towns. It's Tom Dan. That's been evacuated and a minor from the hills was clearly not part of that evacuation while both stories can San themselves else with solitude and loneliness to a degree as it goes on Ray. Bradbury's tale becomes a lot more humorous because the main character adores. Find a woman in a far of town and they speak by phone initially but then when they find each other he finds them to be completely -pletely incompatible while road sailings tail is concerning itself with people's need for companionship. And how so. That's how we're really made ray Bradbury's is actually a riff on the saying. I wouldn't marry you if you're the last man on is put put the genders of flipped because it's a case of the male protagonist meeting this woman and then pretty much saying that he wouldn't marry her even though. Oh she's the last woman on Mars and it does become a story about saying that sometimes being alone doesn't necessarily mean that you are lonely now. The silent towns was actually adopted for Ray Bradbury Theater so as an exercise why not go and check out when it is every body and then check out the silent towns on Ray Bradbury Theater and see how similar they really are and if we are comparing hearing stories I would say that a more similarities with this story. The story of this fantastical woman this nanny. This grandmother ten and go up and having a profound effect on the life of this family especially the children with another very similar tale of that kind. Mary poppins now disappoint Mary. poppins the Disney movie hadn't been made but the Mary poppins books had been made for several years change Mary poppins into a robot. And you have. I sing the body electric. You must be Tom you and Karen and that's Aniko you give me any name. This saw lavinia no bovine. Ah You like grandma can say it. If you times it'll sell five. I know you're thinking I'm not a robot but I'll prove why me up a key. Wind robots up. They WanNa like Chrissy so here. Is Our electric grandmother now. This story was an original each no submission to the twilight zone by Ray Bradbury and I mean that it wasn't based on an existing short story however after to the episode was made Bradberry did write the story in prose form an originally appeared in McCall's magazine in one thousand nine hundred sixty nine but then it became the title story in a Ray Bradbury collection also in one thousand nine hundred sixty nine and in the pros version. The aletsch took grandmothers. Entrance has a lot more to it. Uh At that instant I repeat the clouds above our house opened wide. Let forth a helicopter like Apollo driving his chariot across mythological skies a knee Apollo machines swarmed down on its own some breeze wafting hot winds ends to cool relieving our hair smartening are eyebrows applauding of pant legs against our Shins. Making a flag lack of Agassi's hair on the porch and the settled like a vast frenzied hibiscus on our lawn. The helicopter slid wide a bottom draw. Doc On deposited upon the grass apostle of largest size no sooner having laid same then the vehicle with not not so much as a God bless offer. Well Sang Straightalk. Do Stamp to call me with ten thousand flourishes and then like a Sky Bond Davish tilted and fell off to be married some of the plays Timothy and die stood ribbon for a long moment looking at the parking case and then we saw the crowbar taped to the top of the raw pine lid and seized it and began to pry and Creek and squeal squeal the boards off one by one. And as we did this I saw I get a sneak. Hope to watch and I thought thank you. God thank you. That are never saw a coffin. When mother went to way no bucks no cemetery no they just words in the big chair? No box no books like this. The last pine plank fell away Timothy and I gasped I guess between now gasps to for inside the immense raw package was the most beautiful the idea anyone ever dreamt and built inside. Was the perfect gift for any child. From seven to seventy seven. We stopped all Bratz. We let them out in cries of delight and adoration inside. The open box was a mummy fast. Anyway a mummy case a saw coffee I guess. I don't know if this this entrance for the electric grandmother was ever suggested for the twilight zone. You can imagine why they opted for something a little quicker in a twenty eighty five minute. Long episodes so while grandmother meets the children. Why don't we meet grandmother? Our robot grandmother is played by Josephine Hutchinson and she was born in one thousand nine hundred ninety three so would have been just shy of sixty at this point and when we look at a young life life it is as geared towards becoming an actor as it could get and she said. My mother brought me up with the idea that some day I would go on the stage. I never really thought of doing anything else. So go onto the stage. She did and she won acclaim as Alice Alice in Alice in wonderland among other things and she was married to stage director Robert Bell in nineteen twenty four and joined the eve. galleon repair Tori theater on this association with the vote resulted in an affair between two women which ended Josephine's marriage in one thousand nine hundred thirty while the romance with either eventually ended to they still remain close for many years and in one thousand nine hundred. Thirty four Josephine became a contractor with Warner brothers. I'm Wa she had been an extra before in one thousand nine hundred seventeen here. Actual screen green credited debut came in the nineteen thirty four film. Happiness ahead and she became a steady movie actor from that point on and of particular note for me on. Your resume is her role as Elsa von Frankenstein in son of Frankenstein in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine. But when she was dropped by Warner brothers in the early forties film career was put on hold for five years and she instead began teaching acting acting now of course she did return to the screen initially movies but then in the mid one thousand nine hundred fifties. She began to work in television with roles in the Pepsi Cola playhouse and as time went on she essentially became a TV guest player rarely sticking around for more than a single performance performance on any given show and though she retired from acting in one thousand nine hundred seventy four she lived to the age of ninety four and passed away in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight after spending her final years in the Florence Nightingale nursing. Home in Manhattan now strangely only the Director James Sheldon didn't want her for the role of two robot grandmother an twilight zone Encyclopedia Steve Rueben Yuban relays his comments and Sheldon sides on. I sing the body electric which was a great story by Ray Bradbury. I didn't agree with the casting casting of the robots and I was never happy with that show because she was all wrong for it but they keep rerunning all the time so I should thought it was the only sour note in all the shows that I did for them now. I am quite surprised by this because I think she's actually very good in it and I think she has. There's an old Hollywood quality to that actually feeds into her performance as a robot polished old Hollywood acting style style. That preceded the more naturalistic acting style. That would become the thing in the seventies and I don't mean this as an insult ahead in any way a book because early films and television where really only one step away from the stage. At this point there is more of a sense of performance and I suppose auto officiality which is perfect for playing a robot that is human in so many ways but is just ever so slightly artificial you too so while I do think that all problems with this episode. I certainly don't agree. That Josephine Hutchinson was one of them now. The central point of the story here is that one of the children and is struggling to come to Thames Whiz life without him mother and of course that leads onto coming to terms with accepting the new electric grandma. I'm sorry about you've been good to us and for us. Don't worry about it. She'll accept me eventually. you see Mr Rogers. Children are the most complicated things I could be the greatest cook in the world the finest most exciting playmate the most incredibly interesting companion but those are very tiny Chinese niches. A shelf the stomach small legend the brain is the heart. I have to enter child's hot. This is a deep place difficult to reach but that too will come so this is the aspect of our lives that the episode so is examining the awful situation of family where one parent has passed away and to me. It's about that question of off can another pass and come in. If the remaining parents begins a new relationship the incredible amounts of confusing emotions that that brings brings up for the children. These feelings would include a feeling of betrayal feeling that they are betraying the parents who has died if if they accept the stepparent anger at the surviving parent for replacing the deceased parents and these are just two examples of the multitude of of emotions. That will be flying around at that time and the stepparent to of course is in a very difficult situation. They may come to it. We we love and patience but when tested and tested and tested does that run out well with the electric grandmother won't run out in the case of iron seems to have fear is that she will get close to him new grandmother but that she will leave or die at callaway. You're just old junk. And why do you hate me. They're like her your mother. I hate her her at call because she lied she. She said she loved me didn't she. She ran away ran away. She left me. You mean she does. She does so after this outburst and runs out into the streets and is almost hit by a truck but grandmother pushes her out of the way and we don't actually see but we assume that she gets hit by the chalk yourself being a robot. She's just fine and then they have this exchange. Grandma grandma your ally by I car. Nothing can hurt me not like mother in this way no ran away. I can't I won't never die. Never now. Although we're not at the end of our story here there is about five minutes. vep Sir left with this scene with the truck and the grandmother surviving. We have resolved emotional conflict in the story on was scared to get close to grandmother in case she left or died but Dan unsease that she can't die so this then allows her to get close to grandmother and accept tail off so all well and good in the twilight zone but unfortunately in the real world wasn't so forgiving Ray Bradbury was not happy with the episode and all of the main twilight zone books documentaries in some way but in Steve Ribbons twilight zone encyclopedia. He writes this Ray. Bradbury was none too happy with the way. This episode was produced juiced as he records or the Mark Phillips. I sing the body electric hand out. Okay but they took out the most important scene in my script gripped. The Father Asks Electric Grandmother. Why are their electric grandmothers? And she gives him a moment of truth she can do something I think no mother ever can. She can pay attention to all of the children equally. Only a machine could do that and since the father may never find a new wife somebody has to look after the children the electric Graham. Oh that is the substitute for the mother. That isn't there when I saw that. This scene scene was cut from the episode. I was furious. I called the next day and said for God's sake why didn't you tell me. He apologized and said that they hadn't. I've been time to film it. I said I had all of my friends. Come over to the House and we sat down to watch the show and the most important scene is gone. I don't want wants to work on your show anymore. I told him that I couldn't trust him as a producer so if that is bright breeze problem with the episode food I think we need to look at deal divisions of the story to see how that is or isn't included now in one thousand nine hundred eighty. Two there was is a television movie. Made called the Electric Grandmother Starring Maureen Stapleton as the grandmother. But it is I sing about the electric just just in a longer format it runs about forty five minutes and I wanNA thank a friend of the show Andrew for making me aware of and Ray Bradbury is credited. Ted with the tally play along with another writer. And as far as I can tell it's not just a story credit. IT IS A. Telly played credit so he had a hand in the writing and the television movie to use as they Steve Ice of having their child this time code Agatha almost being being hit by a car and the grandmother saving. Alright all right. It's all right. It's no it's all right. It's all right. They the bombing bombing no dear. Not Not Gosh. No I can't dic- then it was a little. Why when you said You'd never go no way Mike not like mom? You'll always be here. They always cross Maha. That was all a little thought. I'd imitate your mommy. Go Away and never come back now. You See. I can't be killed. I'll always be given. How do you believe us either? You and Tom to our old uh-huh shards skill so if bradberry has another shot at this he's on television. I would imagine that this scene being so important would be there but the closest I can find is this one. I can't believe how boys have changed since you've been here instill of you say so me. Well I feel wonderful. It's true I can only bring Agatha around. She's afraid that makes her angry. It's my task to discover the source of Sounds so reasonable. Reasonable is if I understood what that meant anymore. I'm talking to this machine is if she were a real woman often. I feel you are a real woman. Sometimes I wonder sort of a human being. I am to be so much less understanding that a machine. Oh now that's nonsense. I'm a machine made up of you and Tom Indian ACA and everything you ever say and do I should put away and treasure so used used to thinking of machines. Cold and inhuman machine is. That's good machine does good things bad machine does banning. Some clothes pins. Yeah see I have time time for your children to tell me the dreams to say what they want to be and I shall run ahead on the path and help them be so it is addressing it to a degree. But it's not very explicit sense like Ray Bradbury was saying was was missing from the twilight zone. Now if you look at the pros version the written invasion than the scene is definitely there now. She went on around the table clearing away sorting and stacking neither grossly nor arthritic with pride. What do I know this above all the trouble with most families with many children as someone gets lost? There isn't time it seems for everyone. Well I will give equally to all of you. I will share out my knowledge and attention with everyone. I wished to be a great warm pie fresh from the oven with equal shares to be taken by all no one. We'll starve look someone cries and I'll look listen. Someone cries and I hear run with me on the river path. Someone says and I run and at dusk. I am not tired nor irritable so I do not scold out of some tired irritability. My eyes stays clear. My voice strong my hand firm. My attention constant but said father. His voice fading half convinced but putting up a last faint argument. You're not there as for love if paying attention is love. I am love if if knowing is love I am love if helping you not to fall into error and to be good is love love. I am love and again to repeat there are four of you each in a way never before or possible in history will get my complete attention no matter if you all speak at once. I can channel in here this one and that amid amid the other clearly no one will go hungry. I will if you please and accept the strange word love you all so. It's puzzling as to why Ray Bradbury didn't make sure that this scene was was so explicitly included in the television version. And I WanNa thank branded you cola for lending her voice to that part of the story. The TV version does touch upon these aspects. Why are their electric grandmothers? Put Not in some heavily profound speech that the grandmother gives and to be honest while I have some issues wiz. I sing the body. Electric the twilight zone invasion. I still Kinda Kinda got the gist of the parts of the story. I don't think it was a major emission. So is the television movie better than the twilight zone episodes. I think I prefer the showroom seen in the twilight zone episode because it has a beautiful dark room and you could hypothesize that the show Joe Room itself was a product of the twilight zone but other than that I think that yes. The television movie tells the story better and the reason season I was keeping track of the timing in the episode earlier on. Was that what the television movie has that. The twilight zone lacks is time. Now the fabled listed story style of the best twilight zone episodes where things are pared down to their essence and told to us in such a way as to be deceptively. Simple is one of the great things about the show and it is one of Rod sailing special talents and by deceptively simple. I mean road. Sailing makes it look easy. Sometimes but it's not getting across to these huge aspects of the human condition in such a graceful way where you almost absorbed a message without realizing there is difficult to do you or maybe some things just can't be boiled down to a deceptively simple. They ballistic message. or at least maybe Ray Bradbury. He couldn't boil it down to a deceptively simple fable the electric grandmother. TV Movie Way because when the grandmother tans up the time that she talks about having for the children is also time that we all have with them as of this story in whatever form it takes is is meant to talk on the heartstrings and the twilight zone vision is nice but I think it struggles to do that for me because the time she spends with the children is about ten minutes of screen time. And it's just not enough on an even needs a rare mid episode Rod serling narration and the last one he did made episode. I believe to try and get that attachment to hair across as of this moment. The Wonderful Electric Grandmother moved into the lives of children find she became integral put and she became the essence. As of this moment they would never see lightning. Never hear poetry never listen to foreign tunnels without thinking everything they would ever see hear taste feel would remind them of her. She was on life and all life was wondrous quick electrical. Like thank you so the episode did get made. I sing the body electric as as a as a as a viewer of twilight zone as a fan of the twilight zone. What do you think of? It has an emotional tongue to it. It is lacking some of the other stories stories tenderness in kind bed about the relationship between children in their parents which is not always found in a a lot of certain things works but in other writers bradberry straight exactly the emotional relationship. We have others it is not an intellectual. Exercise is not about moral obligation. It's about how connect with people on. I'm that parental level. Bradbury wrote one of the most powerful seminars pieces ever seen produced for television in the nineteen fifties as for Alfred Hitchcock presents shopping for death. Even watching this today I am amazed at homered Somebody's representing the female point of view. The nineteen fifties in the sense of isolation desperation surly did an Alfred Hitchcock in the introduction. Acknowledges this is Ray. Bradbury was not everyday name then he was author and and he had reached the stature. Ray Bradbury dead so in the end the children grow up on the grandmother goes back to to the factory and that is one exchange that I find to be quite fascinating. What's GonNa Happen to you now? I'll go back to back taxability. I sing the body. Electric heavy set out to help. Raise another family like yourselves. Perhaps I'll be taken apart redistributed. They won't destroy you. Know my mind my soul you might say I will go for a while into a room. Voices voices great dim room where the mind and sells always have all the other mechanical grandmother brought and stored for a month or a year and in that room. We'll talk to each other and we'll tell but we learn from the world from the families we live with and I'll tell what I learned from an and care and Tom when the grandmother talks of these things. It's this really interesting. Melding of technology and spirituality. She's essentially intially talking about uploading here electronic consciousness to save A. It's like this celestial almost heavenly place place where she melts whereas other consciousnesses to maybe one day be reincarnated or in real well Thames. Have I programme retail loaded for use again now in the television movie version. This is a lot less zero. The grandma but literally just goes and sits in a room with several other electric grandmothers. So if I think on that's actually something that I preferred in the twilight zone vision to to but we never actually see or get representation of it. So while grandmother gets consciousness or blowed will leave it therefore now while we reflect on the story itself and what went wrong now. I know that this is a beloved episodes. Some and you might say well well. It seems fine to me. As far as I'm concerned nothing went wrong. And that's great if this is an episode that sits in the top tier of twilight zone for you or has some personal significance. I can see how that could be the case. And I'm glad that it is but in real well tames. This was a troubled production production. Not Just for the reason of Ray Bradbury not liking and as we mentioned earlier the two directors on it for that very reason in the twilight zone companion book out and said we did retakes. We practically did down over. It just didn't work. The first thing was has done in October of sixty one and the next one was done in February of sixty two and it was damn near full Redo. A natural is played by June Vincent instant in the original and Doris Packer in the second. It just wasn't an acceptable picture and so we rewrote. I Guess Jim Sheldon Sheldon wasn't available. Normally I'd have called him back now. The roads who actually getting I sing the body. Electric to the screen was never simple Paul from day one so when we think about this trouble production where they've had to Redo it. It almost seems it's getting icing. The body electric into the twilight zone was almost like hammering a round peg into a square hole. Because when we look back at it actually getting there are so many things along along the way that meant that. Maybe they just shouldn't do it anyway. Martin grams junior documents. That Ray Bradbury sent sailing the tally play for. I sing the body. Electric on March Fifteenth Nineteen fifty-nine and he says to sailing be brutal to me about it and one another few writers in the world with a rhino skin. CALL ME AS H H l when you've had a chance to digest this and we'll set up a date for lunch on May Eighteenth Nineteen fifty-nine sailing retain the tally play with a heart warming and respectful rejection. I'm returning I sing the body electric which you're very likely have use for yourself. I rather imagine that if you use it you'll make me very sorry as hell. I didn't grab it when and it was available so even early on there was echoes that I sing the body. Electric wasn't quite right. For the twilight zone. A Martin grams junior goes on the bradberry revised his nineteen fifty-nine draft and resubmitted again but sailing in one letter to book Houten confessed that it needed needed more work and he had no heart to personally alter revise Orrin prove on a master's privilege on when it was filmed and and broke out and enrolled sailing. Noticed that it just wasn't working. They then had to make the decision to refill an add extra footage and ray Bradbury said in a television column. I'm not sure how this twilight zone will turn out. It was shot six months ago. Then just recently it was necessary to reshoot some of it Eh and they called me only the day. Before to do the rewriting I was exhausted from working on a new novel Untold Producer Book Houten. He'd have to get somebody the else to do it. And James Sheldon. The original director in locking the door to a television classic says this happened a number of times on the twilight zone. It was common for the RAV cut to be viewed and decisions made after when they decided shot should be inserted or additional scenes needed to pick up the film they Tanta. Whoever was directing an episode that day and ask them to film a number of insights they would ask the current director because oftentimes the initial director? It would have been off doing something else regarding the Ray Bradbury Story. It was not my choice. I complained about the script before we began shooting. I did not like what they gave me. And there was little to work with after they saw what we filmed. It was apparently agreed with me and decided to re shoot. Some of the scenes means but I was elsewhere doing another project so they got someone else so again. We're seeing this thing. That sailing was never initially happy with the story. James Sheldon was never happy with the story. Sailing was never really happy with it even after it was re rose probably Kinda just whether in deference to Ray Bradbury and in May of nineteen sixty nine. He says something I think is actually key to all of this and Martin Grams Junior documented again and it says as to my attitude toward Brad breeze work. Needless to say. I'm an admirer a deep admirer. I have found however there is much more effective on the page than years on the proscenium. The lyrical quality of his work seems to lend itself to the printed page age rather than to spoken language in the case of I sing the body electric the words that seemed so beautiful in the story turned out archaic and Wooden and somehow unbelievable when a person speaks. But this of course is one man's opinion and it's hardly engraved on rock so that is very key for me because I do feel that. Yes on paper Ray. Bradbury is the perfect pair soon to come in and help with the twilight zone but sometimes the things just don't fit and it seems to me that maybe Rod serling eventually realized on when he saw what Ray Bradbury was bringing into him bringing bringing to the twilight zone he probably realized that it didn't fit but now he's in this awful situation where he needs to say to this leading light of science fiction. Actually your stories aren't right for my show. But he is in this awkward position so eventually they use. I sing the body electric and I also feel that the use or lack of use of that scene where the electric grandmother speaks about having time for all the children that Ray Bradbury got so incensed about is actually quite key as well now rod serling emitted knitted from the twilight zone and then he told Ray Bradbury that they didn't have time to film it so it was. He just being diplomatic here because in that comment road sailing said on the page Ray. Bradbury is very lyrical very beautiful and it works but when you try and speak here. It just doesn't seem natural. So is that the reason why that scene was omitted from the twilight zone. Because then when when Ray Bradbury does a prose version of he puts that scene back in and Brandy Cola did a beautiful reading of that scene but if you go back and listen to the language the way it said Brandy performed a beautifully. But she's reading the prose version. She he's reading from the board. But can you imagine a pass and in general conversation speaking and saying those words if you put it that way it's harder to take so bradberry. Put that scene back in for the pros version but then in the eighties when he adopted it again for television that seen as gone so did ray Bradbury or whoever was working on that show also think actually this scene just doesn't wear when someone stands and says now that is just also position on my heart it is guesswork and I'm just basing on what I see in front of me but it certainly makes sense to me when you put it that way you interviewed Ray. Tell us about that interaction. How did you find them? I will always be grateful that Ray Bradbury greeted me warmly. Allowed me was home than later. May Access to to his art is. The nicest story can say about Ray Bradbury's when I interviewed him. I had a ceremony for fifty one from high school. That was UNAIRED head Pencil marks in which is full over. When he went to sign the books I hit a brand new heart oppy Fahrenheit with cakes Given in Ray Bradbury appointed paperback to that one. This hard of a book would never be read. It was going to sit on a shelf and collect re bradberry was gracious. He looking ahead a letter. They disagreed actually contradicted convicted. His claim of plagiarism. Is Response was that I am to give sampler then he would tell me what ray Bradbury's response was and I explained to Mr Bradbury. His politely possible. I couldn't do that I was looking for Mr Braggart urge response. Not Sam Weller. Right it was giving Mr Weller. My homework I had done the research I had found a letter. And I wanted Mr Bradbury correspondent sponsored not Sandler. This was a sort of very private feud if you like but eventually things would leak out here in sailing does was make some comments later on about the adaptability of Ray Bradbury's way after they fell out and I get the feel and Bradberry and the twilight zone were both great in their own way. What maybe they would just incompatible and it almost seems that Rod sailing felt that way as well and it it may be put him in an awkward position? What what do you think of that? The unfortunate thing is surly had written in college in early radio he had written. It's a science fiction. He'd written fantasy the first rejection letter. We have written to ride certainly says this fantasy which we do not find commercially. So bradberry did not know that surly headed background writing fantasy science fiction. He was considered a dramatist. The dealt with very extra central issues in power relationships so when surly search rating the twilight zone Ray Bradbury Berry feels as it. Structured Right Berry field does not know that surly pass this deep will background of this. And he's now using certainly keeping his hosts right so and then you have Bradbury who in nineteen fifty seven had signed a contract to have his own TV show at the same time in that fellow in what we think. A bread is being political because Fifty one bradberry is not arriver. It's certainly news. Brian Berry wrote about censorship. In it's absolutely and I disagree with Mr Bradbury End February. Fourteen one is about censorship. Shed does have Over that period right in so then you have played who is not emotional national writer. So they're they're running. Carol Fax the different political of bound. I sing the body electric. Um I would argue that. There's not all twilight zones are little or existential but in this case it stands out as insensitive. It'll in not about the human edition in the outer world. It's about the inner world of emotion. I like to think that after all these years of doing this show I at least have a sense of rod sailing and the man he was. I have no such insights into ray Bradbury simply because I don't know enough now if you go to mark Zicree last interview on this. Show that my friend Brandon. Did he says that. Ray Bradbury's philosophy. Was that the answer to everything is Love. So it's quite hard to take when you read or hear the vigour with which he goes after sailing about the plagiarism matter. And if you check how Jason and Sonny Bronx documentary. The way he talks about Rod. Sailing is is very disappointing. Is Very old manatees point. Clearly he has health issues and he's struggling but I do remember watching that. I'm being quite dismayed by this situation. Now I'm not here to demonize Ray Bradbury but I do feel that the values that we all associate with Rod serling you would have precluded him from plagiarizing ray Bradbury's wake now throughout the twilight zone. We have head these accusations from people other than Brad Brie free and when we actually hold the wake up to the light and have a look at it. We realize how unfounded the accusations tend to be. And we've also oh head of Rudd sailing closing down the open submission policy on the twilight zone to God's against accusations of plagiarism. So to plagiarize ager is arguably one of the most famous science fiction. Writers in the world at that point doesn't really make sense now. Another friend Andrew. Schneider Schneider wrote to me before. I put this APP so together and he made me aware of the electric grandmother but he also made me aware of another instance where Bradbury was very vocal about an adaptation of his way Andrew Rights. I will note that the twilight zone wasn't the last time bradberry savage to final final TV production of one of his own scripts. BRADBERRY CO wrote descript for a three part miniseries adaptation of his book the Martian in chronicles which aired in nineteen eighty and his co screenwriter. Richard Matheson Andrew goes on the following is from the IMDB Trivia section on that mini series for disclosure. I wrote this entry though. Have long since forgotten the original source of the information and he writes writes. The mini series was originally scheduled for release in September nineteen seventy nine as a major kickoff to the nineteen seventy nine eighty season thousand. Unfortunately it fell victim to some negative publicity from Ray Bradbury himself. Although Bradbury had worked with script writer Richard Matheson in adopting his book to the small screen. He was less than thrilled with the final production at one point shortly before the mini series scheduled. Release Police Bradberry fads himself the sole representative of the production at a press conference when one reporter asked him what he thought of. The miniseries responded candidly boring. NBC Soon shelved a mini series and did not air until January one thousand nine hundred eighty now. I Admire Ray. Bradbury is honesty. I admire the fact that he hasn't your sugar coated because it says work and he didn't like the add up tation so he said it. But it's also indicative of the factor. Ray Bradbury did seem to have quite a temper on times. I'm what I also found to be a a little troublesome. Is that two stories in the eighties. Twilight zone based on bradberry short stories and one of them. The banning mad was adopted apted by a writer and director called JD. FAGEL SIN and although bribery wasn't directly involved in the production of you most definitely approved grieved ave and on the website bradberry media Darko. UK There is a quote from one thousand nine hundred eighty. Six early. Says it was very good. It was written and directed by a friend of mine. I got him the job I fought for him. He did the script and I told the people at the twilight zone that I wanted him to director and I was in New York on my way to Europe when he called me. They don't want me to direct. He said I'll just back off. I said I only sold a script so you could do it. So get the hell off the phone and go tell them you're going to direct it or else that's the end. You got to fight for yourself off. He called me back an hour later and said I got it and I said thank God I screamed you. You've got to believe in yourself. He called me many times afterward to thanks for being fan so he knows what friendship is now also on that same page. It says Fagel sin has known bradberry for nearly two years. He is and says the Bradberry taught him writing. I had met him through a PBS film. That I did a civil war movie. By Ambrose Beers a mutual friend suggested that I show it to ray and he offered to mental me and still does actually and fatos use of the banning months story came about through his attempt to develop and sell a different and Sala g series of his own called strange dimensions on bradberry authored and the banning man to adapt apt so although strain dimensions never came to be Vegas incentive scripts to James Crock who's producing the new twilight zone and Allen Brennan who was story editor of the new twilight zone said that the script had theatrical dialogue that no one ever speaks outside of a ray Bradbury the story so that kind of backs road sailings take on the adaptability of Ray Bradbury's wag also Fagel and sat on that site. What what I did with raise approval was cut out dialogue that went on longer than a need to establish whatever effect it was supposed to do? It was more of an editing job as well as putting it into tally play form now. bradberry was very happy with this adaptation of the banning man and clearly fagel son has looked for his approval on any goods to dialogue. So it does suggest bradberry is very protective and sensitive to changes to his work for the screen and of course he has the right as the creator of the way but also in the eighties. Twilight zone is a story called the elevator. That from what I can tell was actually written by Ray Bradbury based on one of his own on produce short stories now. The reason season that I mentioned these is that I find it quite troubling to be honest because by the time the twilight zone came around Rhode sailing had passed away but regardless of this the twilight zone is show the eighties twilight zone is his show. The two thousand twilight zone is his show and so is the latest version. Yes the creators are different but they are playing in his son box. So Ray Bradbury to be attacking sailings character in one breath but then to come back to his show after he has passed away. That doesn't quite sit right with me because has had been a gesture of posthumous reconciliation. Perhaps I would be more accepting of it. But bradberry continued to make these occasional Hazna comments about sailing after these adaptations. What's your assessment of the whole thing you know did bradberry genuinely feel that sailing was plagiarised or was the more to the now facing bredbury genuinely felt slighted? There's I have no doubt about that. I think bradberry always subtlety never do until later in Life Red Red Berry wanted to also is other writers in. He was alleged by other writers. have influenced George Clayton Johnson. All Mon Richard Matheson. All of them adored very door rod serling but for different reasons and I think a lot of them. I'm headed took over the relationship between them. Ray Bradbury Lights On the front states wide surly even though Oh surly believed it beat in front of the camera with was just as important as some senators surly. Didn't stay his name on products. Bradberry He was an important game but he wasn't the headliner Berry. Always wanted to be the headliner and I think that was a large conflict is while you had two competing egos and Bredbury later in life. non want to have to share his name. One more thing I'd like to mention is that the nineteen eighty eighty Scott Z creep. He was all the writers in actually could find pilates on He asked for a Bredbury. Ah Lakers in Bredbury is as saying I would prefer Right top the twilight zone series overdone might work stands on its own. You know one thing that I always I found it. Maybe a little insulting salting was that after sailing past Ray Bradbury had stories in the eighties. Twilight Zone always felt a bit wrong that if he had such a such malice toward sailing that he would then go into the eighties version of the show. You know I agree listening. and Ed full disclosure not a bit of Eagle trampling and because bradberry outlive surly. I find it unfortunate that bradberry arrogance the last say in. We're not looking at the actual dog beds. I'm Ben would surly did have the right to speak sterling The new hire Writer into Saint Plagiarism. I'd like to thank. Amy Bro. Johnston for once again coming back to the show to to share knowledge and insight. And if you WanNa read more about this situation than checkout hair book on known sailing and I just I wanNA finish up with a couple of quotes from a couple of authors one of them. Is Amy Ball Johnston and inhere book. She's talking about Rape Brad Breeze reas- biography and the biographer and she says in some sections of the book. Well a US Brad breeze files to back up his various insights into the mind in other areas of the book Wella Rely Solely on the memories of Bradberry and often refers to Bradberry by his first name as if they are friends. Friends not researcher subject herein lies the problem. The role of a biographer authorized or not is primarily that of a research I check. Memories are not fact memories. Change over. Time the biographer must explore the events independently and clarify memories by using documents and the accounts of others to explore any contradictions between written and variable interpretations a biographer. I should never rely solely on an interview with one person as well it it concerning the accusation of plagiarism. The West allegation a writer can face ace default he allies with Weller not bradberry and also like to read a quote from the Koran. Shot me graphic novel in his summing at the end of it and he talks about his research for doing that book an he says so here I am three years later and I feel like I have to say goodbye to to a friend I take down some reference shots of sailing for my studio wall and suddenly I feel sad. I didn't know him. In fact he died before four. I was even born but there was something about his work. That struck a chord with me and he goes on. It's time for me to say goodbye to the friends. I never in you. I agree with Amy's point on this but thankfully for me while this show is in part review and sometimes biography more than anything else else. It's my twilight zone Janney audio form. So I'm not bound by those rules. Karan Shat means description is as good a description description of my own journey into the work of Rod sailing in the twilight zone itself on the one hand is review and examination of. What's on screen in fact behind it but as it's gone on it has become a kind of quest to get closer to rudd sailing the manage well and it is an and impossible quest? Because I'll never get to shake him by the hand and talk to him face to face because he is the friend that I'll never have breath but the Janney is where regardless so in the case of bradberry versus sailing. I'M GONNA go with my friend on this one. which makes it a kind of bitter sweet thing to finally get to this point the twilight zone where Ray Bradbury makes his entrance and and then his exit and then to find that? It's not an episode that I particularly have a great fondness for anyway. It's not bad but it's it's family on the mid tier for me. I don't think it quite packs the emotional point that it was meant to the punch sites later television version. Listen does have. But the story does have something but overall it's an illustration of something that I've thought often you can have the best science fiction story in the world but it doesn't make it good twilight zone and you can have the best science fiction writer in the world but it doesn't mean gene the he can write the twilight zone either for me while I think this is a nice story and it is a good story. It doesn't quite feel like the twilight zone to me but in all of the negativity that we've had to go through in this episode. I would like to end on a positive note because while well. This one doesn't quite work for me. I can see how it could be very important to other people. It's message is a good one and the struggle with grief life and then acceptance of low following loss is at its core very accurate to it tells us the parenthood or guidance sometimes comes from other places and I think this is one for the foster care is for the stepparents for the adoptive parents. The people you you give love not because they're tied by blood but because they have that lavigne them to give and there's someone there who needs and it is a struggle trouble because those relationships are not always easy and the person who they want to show that look to is not always welcoming offer so while it might it not be a twilight zone for me. It is a twilight zone then a fable most assured me but who's to say at some Distant moment there might be an assembly line producing a gentle product in the form of a grandmother whose stock in trade is love fabled shore. But who's to say now sterling next week on the twilight zone. Two incredibly talented people join forces to she always what happens when an accident prone discombobulated lady with six thumbs and two left. Feet meets a hapless hapless guardian angels. Who knows more about Martinez than miracles? This Carol Brunette and Mr Jesse white or the chief ingredients to a very funny stew. Next week. 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Following Derek Chauvin's Conviction, Renewed Calls for Police Reform in Congress 2021-04-23
"This week on aria code this is somebody abusing justice to get what he wants. It's not your daily news alert. It's mozart's marriage of figaro. A tale of privilege and power that still resonates today ari code. Listen we're every find your podcasts. I'm rebecca gotta host of wnyc and npr's consider this in for ten vega. This is the takeaway this week's conviction of former police officer derek. Chauvin for the murder of george. Floyd has reignited calls for sweeping police reform across the us. Today we feel a sigh of relief. Still it cannot take away the pain. A measure of justice isn't the same as equal justice. This verdict brings us a step closer and the fact is we still have work to do. We still reform the system and while many did breathe a sigh of relief over the past. Week we've also been reminded of just how rampant police violence against black people is in the country sixteen-year-olds makhaya bryant in columbus ohio and andrew brown junior in elizabeth city north carolina are among the black americans most recently killed by police officers. Here's felonious floyd brother of george floyd speaking after the guilty verdict was announced for derek. Chauvin getting harder every ten miles away from him. Mr right dante right. Yeah this is still be here. We always understand that we have to watch. We have to do this for many. Lawmakers pledged to dramatically overhaul policing at the federal level in the aftermath of floyd's murder last may yet close to a year later. Progress has been slow last month. The house passed the george floyd justice and policing act in close vote with zero support from republicans it heads to the senate next and even with democrats in control. It's expected to be an uphill battle mark conversations. The lloyd family. I spoke again today. We're going to continue to fight. For the passage of george floyd justice and police enact so i can sign the law as quickly as possible for more on federal police reform legislation in washington. We're joined now by representative barbara lee of california's thirteenth district congresswoman great to have you with us. Nice being with you rebecca. Thank you very much. How comprehensive is george floyd justice and policing act. Thank you It's very comprehensive and Elimidate first of all the verdict With regard to mr floyd. It's really cracked. Open the door to accountability but True justice is a world in which this never would have happened to mr floyd or to countless others men. And so the. George floyd justice and policing act is a major step forward of course. It does not address all of these structural and systemic issues as it relates to structural racism. But i just have to tell you. I believe that if the bill had been made law had been signed into back we would have saved many many lives. And it's you know a buried sad Thought a moment to think that republicans in the house did not vote for it. Not one. But i have a lot of hope because i know congresswoman karen bass. She's a good friend. Senator booker senator scott and they are working day and night trying to reach. Some form of bipartisan Agreement so that this can move forward and beyond the president's desk very slow congresswoman. Let's break down a few of the things this legislation would do. The bill would ban chokeholds and qualified immunity which often shields police from some lawsuits are these sweeping reforms or more incremental. Well i think in many ways. They are sweeping reforms. But of course again. As i said we have a lot of work to do to address the structural and underlying issues. But when you look at the fact that If a police officer hurt or kill someone they should not have from lawsuits. They currently do bats a sweeping reform banning the use of chop chokeholds. I mean. can you imagine anyone Especially republicans Saying we should allow chokeholds That's sweeping reform when you look at The fact that we're asking that we not allow the transfer of weapons of war to police departments. That's sweeping reform. Also it's really important to understand and a lot of people don't even know that we don't have a national database so that The public police department has really seen who these offices are it whether or not they're corrupt dangerous or abusive again. That's a sweeping reform. And these sound like measures that should have been in place in law already. But they're not and so. This is an important bill. It's a bill that We must pass. It's a must pass bill. And so i have to say. I'm very cautiously that it's going to get done because we have some Really strategic committed individuals who were formed the negotiation team right. It's informal. But i believe that these are gonna become More formalized as days go by you mentioned the database. That's the national police misconduct registry. That's being proposed. Can you tell us a little bit more about the aim of that first of all we need to be able to know about an office history of disciplinary action and that needs to be recorded in an accessible database. And that would allow it. We know that some offices moved from one department to another from one city to another to avoid accountability and it's important to have this database to Include the use of force traffic stocks that required again. The database requires collection analysis and release data to track individuals. Such as isn't so that's a way to prevent Abusive police officers corrupted dangerous. Police officers from Quite frankly killing people especially african americans congresswoman as you may know many progressive vists actually opposed this bill because they say anything short of overhauling. The entire system isn't enough. And i'll use new york as an example. The nypd banned the use of chokeholds nine ninety s and. That didn't stop an officer from killing. Eric garner with a cold twenty years later. So what's your response to that. Well my response to that is. It may not go far enough. I voted for it. I'm a progressive and i understand the realities. We see right now with this buried of of good bill. That establishes the national standard mandates data collection Reprograms existing funds for community based policing streamlining the federal law to prosecute accessible as. We know that these are good measures in that. This would begin to help address address. The systemic issues. I want to see a systemic racism structural racism dismantled within our criminal justice system in every other system in our country and so the political realities are. We've got to get this passed and it may not go far enough many dozen but we have to start somewhere to save lives and this will save black and brown lives. So people like gina clayton johnson and attorney inactive save. Black and brown folks have organized and help elect democrats to office in the hope that lawmakers will deliver on a commitment to race justice and equality so congresswoman when democrats like. You're up for reelection. Will you be able to look voters likely and johnson in the. I say this bill is the best we could do. Absolutely and let me tell you i. I just have to say she's right. Black and brown people elected democrats to congress the house and the senate as well as the white house and so there's accountability there this require and again the young people people who are protesting peacefully in the streets In many respects they are pushing the envelope to make sure that Police reform becomes a reality in this country as well as dismantling systemic racism when you look at the composition of the senate and again i get very frustrated myself because democrats have the house the senate and the white house but members of the senate members of the house come from different districts and the political dynamics around this is such that we have to and again i have to salute congresswoman bass senator booker and senator scott. 'cause they're trying. They're trying very hard but if they have if this difficult to bring republicans around so we can get a bill. Imagine what if we didn't have those individuals especially You know the margin in the senate band so fragile. We do have You know two additional senators but it's so tight it's so close until we have to push the envelope as far as we can push or do nothing. And i don't especially like incremental change because enough is enough in the time is now so at this point with the political composition of the senate and in the house and it was a difficult bill to get through the house also It's either We act on something or nothing. And i have to say we have to keep our movement going our political movement and hoped members of congress accountable at the ballot box. And i'm certainly willing. And i come from a very enlightened and progressive district and i i'm willing to stand before my constituents and say i did everything i could do to save black and brown lives from Police murders and police misconduct. I did everything. I can do to hold police accountable and to increase transparency. You know. I did everything i could do to make sure that police officers don't consider themselves above the law. I'll tell them. I did everything i could do to ban the use of choke holes and i hope that they would vote for me because they know i'm fighting for them and i'm gonna keep fighting until true. Justice is done. And i you know as much as i don't again as a progressive incremental change for me and i've been in this battle all my life for justin and our just say i'm still standing to fight for another day but I hope and recognized. I salute our young people especially who really did bring us a democratic majority by Unbelievable voter registration voter engagement and get out to vote. And that's a fact so we have time for one last question here. There have been recent discussions between democrats and republicans. Senator tim scott of south carolina to see if there's a compromise if a compromise can be reached on this legislation between the two parties. Are there specific areas that you see room for compromise with the gop on this. Then i would leave that up to a our negotiators. They know where they are in the talks. But i have to tell you This is a very good moderate. First step and i know that whatever Agreements are reached. It will be so that justice is done. And so that we will begin to send a signal and set a new standard for policing and saying that black lives do matter congresswoman. Barbara lee represents california's thirteenth district representative. Lee thank you so much for joining us. My pleasure we're joined now by reporter who's been following all this very closely. Nicholas blue is a congressional reporter for politico nick. Great to have you with us. Thanks so much for having me. We just heard from representative. Barbara lee about the george floyd justice in policing act. Is there anything she said that stood out to you. What really stood out to me was quite much Democrats are still pushing for the george floyd justice in policing act. Even though as she noted the political reality of congress in the fifty fifty split in the senate is going to make it really hard to get that piece of legislation through since there are provisions there like the end a qualified immunity that republicans. Just don't really seem like they want to vote for nick. So do we have a sense of how significant this legislation would be for addressing police violence especially since the federal government really has very little control over state and local law enforcement congresswoman. Lee had said that might save lives. And that's certainly something that many proponents of this bill leave but the devil really isn't the details here. Since a lot of the way this bill works by basically conditioning federal funds on certain policy provisions. So kind of nudging local police departments to adopt certain policies. But they would be very hard to do so especially given that and we don't have the same kind of national police force united states other countries have. It's interesting that this is going to be really hard to pass and one of the sticking points. You mentioned his qualified immunity. Can you tell us why this is such a sticking point qualified immunity for democrats They see it as something that basically allows cost to act with impunity because they think that with these sorts of legal protections place police that make it very hard to bring civil suits against them. cops can act like they won't face any sort of repercussions for their actions congresswoman karen bass basically made that point to me a couple of days ago but for republicans This is something that would lead all sorts of lawsuits against police and would get in the way of allowing police to actually do their police work because they'd be fighting lawsuits all time. Republican senator. tim. Scott has proposal it police reform proposal which some democrats have said. It is too narrow in scope. Could there be any room for compromise. There there might be. Senator scott is talking with the congresswoman bass. Who's the lead sponsor of the george floyd bill and In a that there aren't any formal negotiations yet and they're still waiting for any signs of movement among leadership in both the house and senate but at least they have this line of conversation going and if there is going to be any sort of movement i mean it's going to be among these people who have been hashing out the details on this legislation all nick. Some activists including those from the movement for black lives oppose the legislation as it currently is where is their opposition coming from so as you know some people from the movement for black lives have put it. They want a bill that would actually redirect funding lease a defunding. The police so to speak And so this is where legislation like the so called breathe act which leave congresswoman ianna presley. A sponsor comes in the which would in addition to some of these policy provisions. would work towards a redistributing away from law enforcement. Now this is something bat The publicans very strongly oppose and now faces resistance from within the democratic party as well especially after many democrats either losses in the house last year. As in part due to this whole controversy over defunding the police. I want to talk about the derek chauvin trial for a second was the trial itself. Pretty divisive in in washington. What did you hear from different lawmakers about the process or the verdict lawmakers were withheld a lot of comment until the verdict came down or try not to influence the jurors when the verdict finally did come down. It was interesting. I was was on the hill that day and members of the congressional black caucus had all gathered in one room outside the house floor to watch the verdict read out on a single laptop screen and then once that finally came out. You know you heard like all the size of relief and then People walked outside now hand-in-hand To to talk about it and as as as congresswoman bassett put it. I mean this. This brought her and other members back Almost thirty years to the rodney king verdict which had gone a much different way. And i think for a lot of these members they were just happy to see some Element of justice done and unlike many other issues in washington. I mean this was something that very much aroused a certain degree of a bipartisan consensus. That no something. Something had happened here. Now what they do to fix. This long-standing issue of police misconduct is something else altogether. Yeah and if the george floyd justice and policing act is in past at the federal level could we see cities and states taking up similar laws or is that happening at all already but they certainly could mean of course cities and states will have control over their own a local law enforcement end move its day decided to pass legislation along. The lines of this could be something that they do Whether or not there's movement on that again it goes back to this How there are splits even among progressives on how exactly to reform the police so we'll have to wait and see their and then. How important is it. That vice president. Kamala harris helped draft the bill and that it has president biden support it. It certainly helps give the white house's imprint on the spill i mean vice president harris's course the very first black vice president but now has as we've seen with other issues in congress even the support of the white house isn't always enough to shepherd legislation over the finish line nicholas. Wu is a congressional reporter for political nicholas. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank the takeaway is brought to you by progressive one of the country's leading providers of auto insurance with progressives name your price tool you say what kind of coverage are looking for and how much you want to pay and progressive. We'll help you find options that fit within your budget. Use the name your price tool and start an online quote today at progressive dot com price and coverage match limited by state law. This week president. Joe biden hosted a virtual summit to address climate change on a global level leaders. Forty different countries were in attendance and several promised to cut down greenhouse gas emissions in the coming years including president biden by maintaining those investments and putting these people to work. The united states sets out on the road to cut a greenhouse gases in half and half by the end of this decade organizing. The summit is an attempt by biden to reposition the us as a world leader in the fight against climate change under former president. Donald trump much of that work was halted his administration chose to withdraw the us from the paris. Climate agreement back in march biden also announced the creation of an environmental justice advisory council as part of one of his executive orders to address climate. Change with us to help break this. All down is dr. Mustafa santiago elite former senior adviser for environmental justice and community revitalization at the epa doctor. Great to have you with us. Thank you so much for having me and also joined by mighty at lupus nunez with the iron bond community corporation. She a member of the white house's environmental justice advisory council mighty great to have you here. Thank you for having us. Mustafa you quit the epa just months into the trump administration What has been going through your mind with the climate change summit this week well you know. It is an amazing set of opportunities if it's done right and the accountability is built in and that we sent her frontline communities and and our most vulnerable countries across the planet because our people are the ones that get hit first and worst but seeing some of these commitments is a move in the right direction. We would like to see an even stronger. Set of numbers to make sure that many of the impacts that are happening inside of black and brown and indigenous communities are lessened and then hopefully eliminated one day. So it's a step in the right direction and we are optimistic. That folks will continue to strengthen the various commitments that they've made melania you're a member of the white house environmental justice council would exactly is the council working on we're working on the initiative called justice forty and justice forty is supposed to be a forty percent car row of the investments. Were talking about the climate related investments. Making sure that they go to front line communities and. I hope that everyone understands that. Forty should be considered the floor and not the ceiling in arts the starting point to a guarantee that investments are directed to those who have been most directly impacted so then mustafa bhakti you. What are your thoughts on the biden. Administration's actions on climate change to date specifically when it comes to environmental justice. Or you know it's great to have an administration that actually centers of science climate and environmental justice so. I think that many of us have been doing this work for a long time are pleased that that's happening and we wanna make sure that folks also understand that you can't win on climate change if you don't win on environmental justice maria just shared you know about the forty percent at the step in the right direction but we gotta make sure that those are real because it's labeled as benefits and what our community needs is dollars also so we want to make sure that folks are actually receiving the benefits and the dollars that are necessary for them to continue to frame out the direction that they want to go in also seeing that he has begun to place inside of some of the federal agencies folks who have either come from sets of environmental justice work or competencies in that space is also a step in the right direction but that needs to continue to grow because they're over seventeen federal agencies and departments that have a distinct responsibility for environmental justice. And of course under the biden administration is said that it is an all of government approach. So that means that each one of those agencies and departments should be laser focused on the dynamics that are going on inside of our community and those dynamics those impacts that are happening in black and brown and indigenous communities and asian and pacific islander and sometimes lower wealth white communities that are actually making our lives shorter and making us sick are also the drivers and warming up our oceans and our planet. I'm pleased that they're moving in the right direction. But we know that if we don't stay continually holding people accountable and sometimes folks will slip. Move stuff. I want to talk a bit about. This week's climate summit did any specific announcement from the biden administration. Standout to you. Well i think they were all significant because we got a chance to see where some of the forty members from forty different countries actually sat and relationship to their commitment. So you know many of us Had that at least fifty percent number would come out from the biden administration or from the united states and it's fifty to fifty two percent Some would like to see that number higher because we understand you know the climate crisis that we find. I was pleased to a degree To hear that japan You know was giving some what successful and significant numbers. What i mean by that is that you know anybody. Below fifty percent is falling short. So japan came in at about forty six percent by twenty thirty so for the listeners. What that means is you know. They are going to make sure that they're cutting emissions by that number and then being net zero by twenty fifty which is sort of a baseline For folks now across the planet Canada canada fell a little bit short. To be quite honest with you even though Some would say you know. Of course the united states and china are the two major contributors Everybody is contributing to some degree to what's going on or at least the the major countries if you want to label them that way. So candidate came in somewhere between forty to forty five percent by twenty thirty china. China was a little interesting. And and i'll just close out with china you know. China said their peak emissions before thirty. We'll be car You know that they'll do some work in that space. Didn't give a hard but Said that they would be carbon neutral by twenty sixty which is outside of that norm number of twenty fifty right now. I want to go back to what you said. Before which is the biden administration has pledged that forty percent of the benefits of all its. Climate policies will be directed towards disadvantaged communities. Can you break that down for us. Because what exactly do we mean by benefits. And then how does this. What does this mean on a practical level. Yeah and i mean you know like almost always saying we need forty percent of investments not just benefits because benefits could be anything it could be though bicycling it could be you know if there's all park got to plan it over there may maybe has an effect on our communities so right now you know the council is working on the definition of the forty percent of what is the benefit. But i think we need to go still much many many more steps further right because i think right now at the summit the united states talking to other governments and the united states government really should be talking to environmental justice communities and centering. This conversation about what we're gonna do about climate change with our own people you know. We can't just have state to state relationships. We need to reconnect connect. And we we build a relationship that's been broken between the federal government and the community who are directly impacted and muddier. How much can the white house actually do on environmental justice without legislative action. I mean there's always plenty. We could do for instance. I'm not too happy about the net zero. I would like to see us talk about direct emissions cutting emissions at source. You know because right now. Our communities are being assaulted by carbon sequestration plans. Technical fixes juneja nearing. There are things that we need at the community level And i think that we could start the conversation because that would force legislative action. You know if there is a big take the show on the road talked to all the different communities across the country environmental justice community indigenous communities. Then i think that would go really far and building the political will to get something done and of course things could be done by executive action. Right we need executive orders right now. On trump was in shaida. Use them. And i would love to see more on forcefulness on behalf of justice for our communities. Mustafa what were some of the biggest bureaucratic hold-ups that you witnessed inside of the epa on environmental justice. Well you know if we're going to have an honest conversation something always go real talk. You know you you've got bic's discrimination and systemic racism that has been built into our policies For decades that make it more difficult for communities of color to actually get justice so the unpacking and dismantling of that is critically important. And then even if you saw You know strong work being done or attempted on the federal level. We still have to realize that those dollars and those actions leave the feds and go down to the states and the counties and local governments. So as it's making that journey you have the assumption that folks are going to do the right things on those levels and sometimes yes and sometimes no so you have to make sure a one year building stronger accountability into the process and to That those folks have the resources tools that they need and then the other part which was outside of the government was definitely connected to the government is making sure that frontline organizations have the resources that they need To build the capacity to be able to all the challenges that exist in dealing with bureaucracies and trying to make real change happen so this administration has the exact same set of challenges and then also the overlay of the climate crises. That were fine so We've got a lot of work to do to make sure that folks have those competencies to there's accountability And that bo- folks on the local level in government and frontline organizations have the resources they need to be able to make change happen media. Your organization is based in newark new jersey. What impact does environmental racism have on residents of newark specifically. I mean when we look at the skyline we see the state's largest garbage incinerator right which fifty percent of trash. It's not even it's coming from new york city you know. It's not trust as being generated even within our state. Then we have two power plants in our neighborhood right next to the port of newark and elizabeth in. We have fat rendering times. Plastic plants will also boarded by the longest superfund site in the country. That's the passaic river where we made agent orange during the be not war and the poison that was left behind her. That it's all around neighborhood and it has never been cleaned up. We have over one hundred bonfield sites. And when i want folks to understand is when i'm talking about my neighborhood i'm talking about four square miles. You know talking about concentration. I'll pollution legacy pollution. That has not been cleaned up for many administrations. You know. so i'm thankful for the movement that been holding out. Federal government steadily accountable and for us to be at this moment. But i want to see real change. Not just word you know. I want us to sing shah Into the just transition and make sure that we don't leave behind communities like ours. Mustafa how does what media is describing in newark compared to the effects of environmental racism on communities of colored nationwide look just call it the motorola and the folks at ironbound have been doing amazing work for decades and often with the with not having the right amount of resources that they need it. You know the dynamics that we have going on across our country that ground truth and ankara to why this work both on the environmental justice side and the climate side is so important we have one hundred thousand people who die prematurely from air pollution every year in our country. That's more folks that are dying from air pollution than dying from gun violence. More people are dying from air pollution. Dinner die from car. Crashes and all those things are important and we have to give our attention to it to make change happen in that space and our country we got over sixty million people who have dealt with unsafe drinking water over the last decade and we know in both those situations that i mentioned. It is primarily black and brown and indigenous communities that are dealing with it. No community should have to deal with that or in port. Arthur texas where hilton kelly is a goldman prize winner. You know at once thriving african american community. They're surrounded by petrochemical facilities And they have high rates of cancer and liver and kidney disease and a number of other things so when our communities are impacted are health is impacted and then our wealth is impacted because our homes lose value when we're next to these types of things and historically we placed our housing and flood plains and next the toxic facilities and you see it across our country whether we're talking about on reservations or we're talking about an appalachia with lower wealth white communities or of course black and brown communities all across our country when you look at what's going on in alaska where brothers and sisters literally their homes of sliding into the ocean Because of the changes that are happening from climate change and from the exposures that they've had to deal with from toxic pollution or we seen what happened with brothers and sisters. And my family's from puerto rico. you know. The impact that happened from hurricane maria but it was happening even before hurricane. Maria got there that folks were dealing with superfund sites and brownfield sites and And the military Doing testing and leaving it behind in places like the and others so we have a lot of work to do as we're having this conversation about climate you know we've gotta be very aware that we have to rebuild the infrastructure inside of our communities. If we're going to be able to fully be able to participate in this new clean economy that the president and others talk about and the end as needed But we've got to make sure that we're not placing veneers over the challenges that still exist inside of our communities media. Do you have any advice for local organizers trying to push back against environmental racism and organiz. I mean it's a it's a yeah right last just because the challenges so hard because for organizers on the ground did not just dealing with climate change dealing with racism with police brutality with immigration raids. Gentrification you know like it is a hard time to be an organizer in community and one thing that nancy doc was working with us for forty seven years. She always says we can't give up at the same time so. Make sure that you have strong team with you. And they take turns Because this work does us down but we have to keep going. because of decades of organizing we've reached a moment where today With environmental justice finally being centered and. I'm hopeful that we keep pushing. We're we're actually gonna get somewhere time. Lopez nunez works with the ironbound community corporation and is a member of the white house's environmental justice advisory council and dr mustafa santiago. Lee is a former senior adviser for environmental justice and community revitalization at the epa. Thank you both for joining us. Thank you this week. The house voted along party lines to pass legislation that would make the district of columbia state. This is the second time. The house has voted to grant statehood to dc the legislation also known as hr fifty one now heads to the senate if passed by the senate and signed into law. The legislation would establish washington. Douglas commonwealth as the fifty first state. Yes the state would be renamed for abolitionist and civil rights leader. Frederick douglas dc residents would gain two senators and a voting congressperson advocates for statehood. Have tied the battle for dc statehood to the fight for equal voting rights and racial equality as black residents represent the largest racial demographic group of the district's more than seven hundred thousand citizens the nationwide reckoning over systemic racism and the ground swell of support for voting rights has the fight for statehood now as the dc statehood. Bill the senate. It faces a number of hurdles including the filibuster joining us now to discuss what statehood would mean for her. Constituents is representative eleanor. Holmes norton of washington dc. Welcome to the takeaway representative norton representive. You've represented washington d. c. In congress for about thirty years and have spent much of that time. Championing statehood for dc. How does it feel to have legislation for statehood. Passed the house for the second time. Well the reason. I haven't been able yet sainthood before now is because that's gonna end the minority most of my time in the congress so the moment i got in the majority i pressed hard for statehood and now it feels that we are well on our way because more than fifty four percent of the american people according to a very detailed poll support statehood. That's the effect of the hearings of telling americans what they did not know many americans Were confused they thought we had the same rights that they had They some were were bleed. We shouldn't some some justed know the effects of the hearings. has been to essentially educate the public for example. They didn't know that. The residents of their nation's capital pay the highest federal taxes per capita highest in the united states. And yet don't have the same rights as other americans. How did statehood for dc become attendant of the democratic party platform. Well the it would be in the democratic party platform because statehood issues have always been divided. Republicans have tended to support statehood when the people involved were republicans from republican states and vice versa representative norton. You were active in the civil rights movement and helped organize the nineteen sixty three march on washington today. Forty six percent of dc's more than seven hundred thousand residents are black. So does this fight for statehood. Feel like a civil rights battle to you at all. Well it does feel like a continuation of of the battles at ford's very actually as a student stood more equality for african americans now for most of its time as as a jurisdiction the the the district has been majority white and the ad was not treated equally so while my experience in the civil rights movement and my own lineage as a third generation washingtonian have all helped to to to shape mind Per se toward it comes from very different points on the spectrum even though this legislation will now advance to the senate. It faces an uphill battle without republican support. But there's also concern about the legislation lacking full support from senate democrats. Is that right. We do have a few democrats still to get from war conservative democratic states But we have more than ninety percent of the democrats as co sponsors for the bill o. Yesterday we pass this bill in the house of representatives hearing in a big push in the senate we believe that the filibuster on its last legs remember the senate has gotten rid of the filibuster floor. Nominations and in fact they got rid of the filibuster where everything except legislation. The senate held up organizing this year that session because of the filibuster so the senate is determined to get rid of the filibuster because this majority democratic senate knows that the reason it got the majority is because the republicans who had had control of the senate had passed nothing legislation from the house went to the senate to die and the people gave the senate to the democrats win. The filibuster goes everything else. It's gonna go for dc statehood. So i'm optimistic about this bill in the senate as well representative. How have republicans you've been talking to. In congress responded to the argument that not allowing tc to become a state effectively disenfranchises than seven hundred thousand residents. The arguments have been essentially. Partisan some have been absurd that we don't have the kinds of stores Or industry as hand but basically Statehood and that is not only for the district of for every state is simply been a part of matter and how significant is having support from the white house in the fight for dc statehood for you because this week president biden issued a policy statement in which he expressed his support for. Hr fifty one and statehood for dc. Now white house support has been truly important. The president's strong statement of support means that we have a kind of pol To get this done not just a push from from the congress say really means a great deal to the progress. We're making on statehood that democrats control the house. The senate and now the presidency is well. That's why we're making such a big push this session of congress representative eleanor. Holmes norton is washington. Dc's delegate in the house of representatives representative norton. Thank you so much pleasure. That's all we have for you today. It's always wonderful being here with you folks if you missed anything or want to listen back check out our podcast. You can find it wherever you get your pods or head to the takeaway dot org also before we go. I want to say a special. Thank you to the team who works so hard to get this show together day in and day out. Jackie martin is our line. Producer or producers are wholesale is ethan obermann dalton patricia jacob. Lydia mcmullen laird and our senior producer is amber hall polly. Irungu is our digital editor. Vince fairchild is broadcast engineer j palate is our director and editor. David gable is our executive assistant and lee hill is our ep. Thank you so much for listening. 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"You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond, it is another dimension. A dimension. Of Sound. Dimension of. Sight Dimension. Of Mind You're moving into a land of both shadow and substance of things and ideas you've just crossed over into the twilight zone. Over the past couple of episodes, we've explored the origins of tonight's tail. And if those two yawns that we've examined so far the devil and Daniel Webster and Adele saying tell us anything. It's that infection we have to give the devil his due. Despicable as he may be. He sure makes for a good story. And perhaps, this is why he along with Mr, death is one of the most recurring characters in the twilight zone. So far we've seen escape clause a nice place to visit. The howling man. On the hunt. But tonight, we'll spend even more time with him as he inhabits the form of one of the twilight zones most beloved stars. But before we meet him. Let's start at the beginning when we meet newspaper editor goose winter lighting a crooked cigarette that he finds in his desk drawer. Foreshadowing the cigar that the devil himself will be smoking later on. But Douglas newspaper, the Dan's pay courier is not doing well, Andy Askins a long time employee. Has Just walked out because the newspaper. Afford to pay him anymore. It seems the writing is on the wall for this particular publication, and it seems that Douglas Winter is going to step off a nearby bridge. End At all. But his save, you comes in the most unlikely form. And then Tell you for Matt's. Yeah. Sure. It's lovely night as. Lovely spot to. Spell the Pines. Pity, you have to leave it all. What do you mean? You were about to commit suicide once you. It's none of your business. I. Agree. If a man wants to do away with himself I'd say that's his decision nobody else but. I do think you ought to make a good job of it. This looks very uncertain to me frankly. You might end up with nothing more than a head cold. I certainly wouldn't want to risk it. By the way you find the Matt. So tonight on the twilight zone podcast. We ask ourselves how much we would be willing to pay for success in tonight's episode Printer's devil. Take away a man dream film with whiskey and despair. Send him to a lonely bridge. Let him stand there all by himself looking down at the Blackwater Try to imagine the thoughts that are in his mind. You can't I can't. But there's someone who can. And, that someone is seated next Douglas Winter Right now. The car is headed back toward tongue. But it's real destination. Is the twilight zone. Fast, broadcast on the twenty eighth of February, Nineteen, sixty three written by Charles Beaumont and directed by Ralph's and then ski. So Ralston. Much one of our hardworking directors of the day. But we actually catch him quite early in his directing career. He has three episodes Dr Kildare and one episode of a television show called checkmate under his belt at this point. But he would go onto direct several well-known television shows like star trek the Waltons a many many more. Now, one of the best resources to land all about him is his own blog which you can find at Sanski Dot Com and he's been blogging about individual projects in his career for many years now and I'm glad to say that it still seems to be being updated to this day. And in his entry on printer's devil, he says. The first time I saw that opening was sometime in one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, nine when I was still on staff of playhouse ninety. One of my colleagues invited me to a screening of a yet to be add CBS pilots the film was Rod sailings whereas everybody. The beginning of this classic television series I remember being blown away by the film. Little did I realize that three years later, I would receive a call from my agent telling me that her attachment, the original producer of Doctor Kildare who is producing a group of one hour. Twilight zones had put a hold on me to direct episodes of the series. A hold was away of signifying interest without making a fame contractual commitment. I was excited by the prospect of doing the show but a couple of later the agent cold again and sent that to hold it been withdrawn. The assignment would have been to direct assistance by Rudd sailing. As creator of the series on supply of a prolific number of scripts, Rod had director approval of those scripts. He wrote I'm guessing it was because of my limited lack of film directing experience. That he had withheld approving me. But it was not too much. Later, the Tashkent called again this time with a fam- offer to direct a non-sailing script. I happily accepted. The assignment was a script by Charles Beaumont Printer's devil based on one of his short stories the W say. So, this blog entry is actually a much-needed background piece to this episode because while the twilight zone companion has a pretty decent sized entry on. Martin grams juniors entry in unlocking the door to a television classic is probably the shortest one I've seen so far. Now, I've kind of fallen out with commenting on sailings opening rations as much as I used to. And it's not because I think they're bad. But I do miss the sailing in the scene conversations of old show. But did awesome. Nice bits of poetry and he is still. Take Away. A man's dream. Film with WIS can despair sent him to a lonely bridge? Let him stunned all by himself and so on and so on. So it still has a beautiful poetic ring to that only sailing could really pull off. Give me of Martini with a double the saints. Mr Winter. Could see per second. What Abud? Well. Oh yes. Yes. Tab. I'm sorry but. Mr Foster says from now on it's. GotTa be cash. Please allow me. Now Molly run and get those things. And Tell Mr Foster make him strong do that. Run girl run. Full of fire. I wouldn't know you. Today. Thank you very much for Drake Mr. My name is Douglas Winter. The winter, the editor. X. Y. X.. It's a long sad story Mr Smith you wouldn't be interested. Oh. But I would would indeed. You see you other isn't that I've journeyed to Dan's birthday. You must be creditor. No not yet. Anyhow. Now the fact is I'm a newspaper man, I was hoping to secure a position paper. So as luck would have a miss dismiss is also a Newspaperman who has just the skills that Douglas needs to carry on publishing his paper. But despite the clever naming of this episode, he's probably a bit to qualify to be actually considered a printer's devil. So what exactly is apprentice devotional? So the wikipedia entry says Printer's devil was an apprentice in a printing establishment who performed a number of tasks such as mixing, observing, and fetching type A notable writers including Ambrose Beers Benjamin, Franklin Walt. Whitman a Mark Twain saved as printers devils in their youth. Now the origin of the term is actually quite interesting because it seems to have been lost time but then are several possibilities are several kinds of legends about where it came from. So I'll read a few of them to you right now. One origin is linked to the fanciful belief among printers than especial devil haunted every print shop performing mischief such as inventing type misspelling words and removing entire lines of completed type. That the apprentice became a substitute source of blame and came to be called the Princess Devil. But English, traditional links the origin of printers, devil to the assistant of defaced English Printer and book publisher William, CAC Stan. And caxtons assistant was named Deville which evolved into devil over time as that name was used to describe or the printers apprentices. So while Mr Smith is probably a bit too skill to be the apprentice more dogs body that a prince's devil usually was that doesn't really matter when you consider what a great fit this title is for the story. Aware Mr. Smith. Goes into the newspaper office is immediately shown to be a master using the line tight machine. Now, this machine that is using, I, think is a work of art. It's a, it's a feat of engineering and when you look at how many moving parts are you kinda wonder how anyone could ever come up with all now in my admittedly brief research into this what we're seeing he is out a tray is filled with letters called movable type, and this is a. Form of what they call relief printing. Now, to be honest, I did start to get lost in the terminology, but basically what's happening here is lining up these letters to form the newspaper article and then using the printers press. This plate that has been created is covert dinning on pressed against several sheets of newspaper depending on the print one of the issue that the printing. Well it's not the latest model, but it's a good one. This new at home. Finally all that guy for me. burning. Play Chopin's polonaises I'll be disappointed. We haven't really mentioned the character of Jackie. Director. Route Sanski seems to think that badges meredith took his inspiration for how to operate the Linux type machine from that line that she said in that clip, he writes actors like Burgess, Meredith fascinated me with the preparation they brought to their roles. They didn't just memorize their lines. As beulah Bondi one said to me after lines are land. That's when the way begins. I'm sure badges took his cue for how to work at the liner tight machine from one of Jackie's lines. If he doesn't play Chopin's polonaises I'm going to be disappointed. And I do like that about him that when he sits down to the machine, it's as if he's playing a symphony rather than creating a newspaper. So while Mr Smith creators masterpiece. Why don't we meet our leading lady? Jackie is played by Patricia Crowley and she was born in one thousand, nine, hundred, thirty three. So Good Sixteen Years Than Co Star Robert Staling, and she was born into a very working class family in Pennsylvania but it was her sister I'm Crowley who is a fast performer in the family on when ten year old Patricia got a small walk on part in a production of Chicago, that was enough to give her the performing burgers well, and it seems that when she started to work whatever Oh she did. The next one wasn't fought around the corner and she worked steadily in television and movies throughout the fifty s. Now the sixties broads more television roles, even starring role in their own television show called please don't eat the daisies and she kept on Working Right Up to twenty twelve even appearing in popular shows like friends I'm Beverly Hills nine. Oh two one. Oh I think like her Costa. Robert. Staling She does a good job here she is dependable actor and has spiky demeanor around Badghis Mattis Mr Smith is one of the things I enjoy most about the episode. So I think she does just fine in this kind of long suffering role you get the impression and Douglas, winter are in a relationship but one that seems to be in perpetual limbo waiting for things to get better at the paper waiting for circumstances to be just right which they never seem to be. So. We'll the thing that they are waiting for be the Tan around. The papers fortunes gives you funny feeling doesn't paid four Payton. That, I'll to carry five thousand dollars in cash around in his pocket. Speaking the devil. Excuse interrupted. But how long would it take you to get an addition onto the streets? Due to four o'clock, I mean extradition. Couple of hours on a short run the a hassle though wouldn't be worth the hassle if you could beat gazette to a school friends on school. Ten twenty. Only a half an hour ago. I'll check it out. You doubt my veracity. Standard. Operating. Procedure. Mr. I'll let me speak to Mr Edward. please. Well. Never mind. Maybe you can help me. We just had a report, Robert? Thank you. For the work. I told you. So now we're getting to the point in the story where the fantastical things start to happen. The amazing scoops that Mr Smith seems to be able to get almost instantly after happen. But if you check out the last show where we examine the devil, you say. You will notice that these scoop seem to be a little less out there than what was in the original story. Now, two things come to mind with me with the devil you say, and the first is that to me, it seems like it has a kind of new orange tone the way that it hasn't ration- from the main character throughout who seems to be in a state of constantly being annoyed. And some of the dialogue that he uses is also reminiscent as a kind of film noir tropes that we see with the hard drinking and smoking private is and the impossibly beautiful woman who seems to fall for them. And the second thing is that it seem to take itself too seriously. The mayor's wife and the story gives birth to a baby hippo. A ship appears in the street. It's all very tongue in cheek and when we compare it to this episode, we see that the basics of the same a struggling newspaper, the paper being more or less taken over by the devil, but it's the details that seemed to be different. The box story about the deal actually being with the main character's father is gone. The female lead role is pretty much completely different in every way. And the newspaper stories are more down to wear in the television version. There's no baby hippos here and I can Kinda see why Now Mock Secre in the twilight zone companion says, he feels the toning these things down just reduces it to a pretty humdrum deal with the devil story. And I would disagree with that. I think they were fun in that original short story but I can't really imagine the more outlandish things like the baby hippo really working on screen. But. To play devil's advocate for a moment I, suppose in these modern times where we are a bit more desensitized things, a bank robbery or some of the other things that Mr Smith reports on. Don't seem to be that exciting or unusual to is now. But I guess, what we need to remember is this is supposed to be a pretty small town or small city newspaper a place where not that Moore Chapman's and it is the difference between national news local news. The thing that happens five hundred miles away doesn't really affect you as much as that's thing the happens on your doorstep. But speaking of on our doorstep things begin to he talk when the building of another local paper the gazette goes up in flames. And after the Danville Korea Prince, the story with supernatural speed. Obviously. Suspicion. On them. Boss of. Answer, a question. Did you start the gazette fire I. You. I'm afraid I don't understand the question. I don't see why not. It's very simple. Did, you start the gazette fire. Started by faulty electrical system. Are you. Sure. I never right up anything I'M NOT SURE A. Question of ethics. Oh by the way. Andy Preston's called. He's Atlanta type operator I told you about. I think all hired him back and put you on full-time reporting. No. Wouldn't do. Certain. Modifications Machine I. Wouldn't want anybody else touch it. Spoil everything. Starts Breaks up the day for me. Hiring back all means but. Yet, another job. Insist. Okay. So while Douglas. Wins. Upon designed. Let's meet the mind you played. Douglas. Winter. Is Played by Robert Staling a no. My Spell Checker hasn't misspelled rod sailing a leading man's name is Robert Staling and he was born in nineteen seventeen with the name William Stirling hearts. So would have been in that mid forties twilight zone leading man sweet spot at this point. He was the son of Chicago cubs baseball player and it isn't a huge amount of information about him out other than he worked as a clothing salesman, but then decided to try acting. He had several on credited roles in the nineteen thirties in one, thousand, nine hundred forties but then began to get leading man pots but then the second world war broke out and he served in the USA coal as a flight instructor. Now, his Korea resumes when he left the corps but he made the transition from movies to television in the Fifties S, and as the acting career slowed down in the seventies and eighties he diversified into other things like starting his own company manufacturing. Golf clubs. I think when we look at Robert stylings careers a whole it kind of feeds into what we get from him here in this episode and the way I kind of feel about him. Overall. Now there are a few highlights forum in his career never really had a massive breakout role from what I can see. Can The act? Sure he does a fine job. Look good on screen. I guess. Absolutely. But is the really anything that differentiates them from all the handsome clean cut types like your, Gig Young's. Not really I mean he is perfectly fine and enjoyable in the episode. There's nothing that really makes him stand for me, and maybe that's why he never really broke out. So this is a deal with the devil story while the deal was kind of baked into the original short story. The, W say. Hasn't really savaged here yet, and when it does, it's in a scene in Douglas winters offers. An Art director writes about this in in his blog he says Mr Smith nose for news delivered as a reporter. He got scoop up to scoop and always a very short time after the Cairns outrageous stories, a building collapsing drowning Madda, and finally the banning down of the gazette. Newspaper editor. At this point, Beaumont script had a wonderfully written six and a half minutes scene between. Doug Mr. Smith. In, anticipation of that scene, I had to set designers install window shades in dogs. Office I wanted to be able to shut out to large printing room to create a claustrophobic entrapment feeling as we enacted climactic scene of modern day version of. Faust. Would you have a chair? I think that we Time is come when you had a little chat. I think Cajun calls for touch the creature finally say oh So I am fresh up. I think you'll find your mistaken right in the top. Michael. I should like to ask. Not, too happy with the way things have been going. Just what are you leading up to Mr Smith? Simple proposition. I hereby Gundy. When stand guarantee That you will become the most successful newspaper editor in the world if. Fix Your signature. Douglas Winter agreed to relinquish my immortal soul to the bearer upon my death in exchange for his services. Winner. As a sophisticated intelligent twentieth century man, you know the devil does not exist to. True. So in this scene, Mr Smith kind of tricks Douglas into signing Solo. Away. But he also kind of dozens. He just plays on the ludicrousness of the situation. So if you don't believe that you can sell your immortal soul. then. What's the harm in silence something that says you're selling your immortal so So I do kind of like that it makes it a bit more dare I say realistic I suppose because if someone came to me an offer me a deal with the Davel, I wouldn't believe them either. But. I think part of the poetry of a deal with the devil story for me. Is that these are packs made by desperate people in desperate situations or greedy people in greedy situations, and they are usually fully aware of what they're doing because. Then it becomes a story of what will we do from Egypt gratification or relief. Their long term consequences of which quite literally be damned. So, that's kind of the point. The Devil will get you your lowest moment or your most hedonistic and greedy moment and try and make a bog in. So will your desires today? A way your care for tomorrow. I had a nightmare about a weird little man with a crooked cigar. Who caused terrible things to happen? So he could get scoops for my paper. Well, I'm awake now I watch you wanna hear not so fast. What about our contract? What about our contract? You said you do anything to make you a paper of Success I. Heard You. That's why game. Well, I've carried out my plot you are success if you're not a nightmare, then you something even worse because somehow you made these things happened you've caused tragedy destroyed life and property. I didn't bargain for this. Oh. Yes. You did. But you put it out of your mind. You thought you'd get everything for nothing that's not the way life works. You thought you'd get everything for Nacion but that's not how life works. I love that line the devil is throwing it back in his face you know and I. Guess That's what these stories are all about. So let's meet the man with the crooked cigar yet again. So again to the point now, where while there are still quite a few twilight zones ahead of was. That is also a bit of a feeling of slowly winding down as well. The changing of the guard introduces after Book Houten left the likes of writers, I George Clayton Johnson having Penn, their last episode apart from a story credits that still to calm. And several of those regular directors are beginning to depart as well. But on the screen itself. So we say farewell to one of the shows most beloved stars the Great Edges Merida. And of this part in the twilight zone companion, he said. The problem was to get him so that he was witty while still being menacing on charming without losing his danger I. Think it was a rich part. You can't do anything if the possibilities are not there. And Director Ralph Senanayake says in the twilight zone companion I remember going to wardrobe today that just came in for wardrobe. And that was a revelation to watch this man because he stood in front of the Mirror, I'm put on all the possibilities. And he just changed he put on different items and you could see that he was feeling whether that would work for him. I'm sure that most of the wardrobe in black and white didn't really register but it was important to him because he drew from it and it was just a part of his putting together the character. So. If it went for a candidate timing issue, you could almost say that badges murders had an episode in every season so far. Time enough at last in season one Mr Ding or the strong season two and the obsolete man not quite in season three. But at the end of season two and I think it was actually meant to go in seasons three. And now here he is in season for in scenery-chewing good form and what a joy it is to implant something. So different from the roles he's done before on the show. Now, it's a shame. He didn't come back for season five put. It wasn't the end of his road sailing connections. He's in an episode of sailings. Twilight zone follow up series loner. In? One of the more enjoyable night gallery stories little black. And another called. FINNEGANS flight. And who better to take on the rating duties in Rod sailings absence in twilight zone, the movie. And of course, his career was filled with iconic roles after he left the fifth time mentioned. Whether it was the penguin and Batman Rocky Balboa's coach Mickey in the rocky films or any number of other roles. He was always great to watch whatever it did. So tonight, we raise a glass to the great badges Meredith and say, thank you for your contributions to the twilight zone. It's just one of the many reasons that you'll live forever. but according to Ralph Sanski Burgess Meredith wasn't the only creepy that's all mine on set. And he says in his blog, there was a little old man a printed in Culver City had loaned printing equipment for that. We allow them to come visit the set and observe our filmmaking. Well the day after we shot the sequence when dog fired a pistol at Mr Smith. When we went to view the rushers who should appear peaking over badges shoulder in his close up but there's little man standing a distance behind him in a doorway. No one had seen him during the filming I hadn't seen him obviously from what I was standing he was blocked by badges had. The camera operator hadn't seen him. We were still using a camera with a pile lacks viewer so that the operator is not seeing the same picture that was being photographed. and. Obviously, no one else on the set had noticed it was eerie. Almost go. Slake. Naturally refilmed. Mr Smith's close out the next day. So in a rather tense ending segment Mr Smith is driving Janet to say it and doom. But Douglas Saints the Dang by writing him out of their lives using the devil's own printing machine. Listen to this. Mr Smith former star reporter and chief line type operator for the courier resigned his position and dance Brazil for home at eleven twenty nine this evening. Is Contract with Mr Douglas. Winner was declared null and void Mr Winters incomplete understanding the terms of the document. Contracting that he's gone. And he won't, be. Back. No but. He never goes any place he's invited. Claiming invited, did you invite him here in the first place? In a way I did in a way I did. And I'm going to spend the rest of my life making up to it's interesting to watch this episode in today's climate I'm wonder where our relationship with the press has always been the way it is now Fiction has given us many images of hardworking newspaper reporters who uncover corruption and investigate scandals for the right reasons. Are often portrayed as these beacons of truth investigators without a badge. The desire to get a story goes hand in hand with the desire to expose the corrupt and have some brought to justice. In comics, we have the likes of Clark Kent and Lois Lane from Superman Orban Oryx from daredevil. And I think that are probably several real weld instances of good reporters like this over the years for what seems to dominate authorities. These days are the bad ones in this age when reporters are supposed to root out corruption often they become corrupt themselves. Now I'm not talking about everyone I think that are generally good reporters but I know here in Britain, the British press are notoriously badly behaved. Ever since I was a kid, it was one of those things that we all knew newspapers, print lies, exaggerations, and manipulations of the truth. But it was just one of those things that along with lying politicians have been around. So long that was a kind of acceptance of. A newspaper reporters behavior towards people, and the level of intrusion into people's lives is also well documented. Perhaps one of the moments where they really couldn't get any lower was when members of the British press hacked the phone messages of missing schoolgirl. The fact that the messages were being accessed gives police and they're parents hope that she was still alive and that she was just missing and that she may come back what we found. But the truth was she had been made on that. Hope parents had was false hope created by the disgusting behavior of the British press. So when you hold some so unforgivably evil like the scientists side with Printer's devil. It doesn't seem really that much of a stretch to imagine. Given this power, there will be plenty of generous you will be happy to take. So. Again, I have to ask was this always the case that there was this talk of war between the Truth and getting a story at any cost? Even. If you had to make it on. And if this has always been the case, then putting the devil in a newspaper office seems to be a pretty good way of explorer. and if it wasn't the case, then Beaumont was certainly ahead of his time on this one. But I suppose pure essence at its core printer's devil joins the ranks of many other deal with the devil stories a no stories are ones that I always enjoy in this one is no exception and I think the reason why these deal with the devil stories are so potent is because so many decisions in life we go into our is fully open. So long term consequences. Yet we do them anyway. We know that smoking tobacco will have long term negative effects. For man isn't that cigarette after a nice meal just so satisfying. and. We know that blowing paycheck on a big how at the start of the months will leave a short at the end but that's weeks away and everyone's going to be out tonight I worry about that later. Everything is decision. Every season has some kind of pay off some good or there's not so much what we often live for the moment and sometimes that's no bad thing or the times we're just closing our eyes to the nation down the road. Exit the infernal machine? And with it his Satanic Majesty Lucifer Prince of Darkness otherwise known as Mr Smith. He's gone but not for good. That wouldn't be like. He's gone for bath. Andy might be back. With another ticket. To the twilight town. Okay another twilight zone episodes under our belts. I'm not going to hang around too much before we get to listen to feedback because our mailbag is pretty fall or what I will say is welcome to the after hours club for the following people Chad Kozlowski. Welcome to the board of directors. You are very welcome. Also, Matias Pero signs up to the Board of directors to thank you Marty. I appreciate it bobby. Gebhardt thank you so much as well. Bobby, really appreciate you. Coming on board and Keeney cells also joined the board of directors. Thank you so much effort spot in the podcast over at hey churn dot com slash twilight zone podcast in the after hours club and this month's in the after hours club did our podcasts on vintage sailing an episode of suspense narrated some more at ease twilight zone and brand new commentary four I shot an Arrow into the air that I recorded earlier this month. Okay. So I'M GONNA go to listener feedback boards occasionally. Someone will email me a question or something that I think I need to respond to because I get asked it so much. So maybe if I answer here on the show 'em, then it's something. That will will benefit the people and this one is from Joe in Cincinnati, and he said some very kind words about the show. So thank you Joe, boy, he said I listened to a few twilight zone podcasts and it would be nice if you all got together and recorded some kind of show do you think that would ever happen? Thank, you jokes thank you for your email and I appreciate that. I have done some source of. Collaborations in the past I went on. Submitted for your approval with Brandon and that was a good time. I am when I did the planet of the Apes. Sing it. On this show, it became a bit of an unofficial podcast as guest spot and be honest. It was never meant to be that I just was asking people that I knew at a how and one of them was Craig Beam and one of them was fred from the twilight zone to good guys m I suppose if other thoughts on I should've added more people but it was all a bit of a rush Putin together. I mean I'm open to it. I'm just not really sure what the topic would be or how to go bow. It's a bit of a nightmare sometimes just being in a different time zone like. Again to record with Zakho, brandon or brandy for various things, you know we always have to. Really work around stuff. So it's a bit difficult. It's a bit difficult and what would it be about I? Mean? We could talk about being twilight zone podcast ball. He's just a bit too much inside baseball at that point you know what I mean would that really be interested. To to people I don't know, and if we are talking about the twilight zone is kind of like. So how about that twilight zone then you know and I don't know. What, that would really look like but I mean, I'm open to it and it's probably not my priority at the moment because my priority is to really start to keep working through these episodes and start getting them out. You know as a new twilight zone held things up a bit this year I like to think it's getting moving again. Will I be able to do all of season four in twenty twenty? It's possible but it's Going to be close one. So if there was an idea for something I would I would certainly consider it because it would be kind of fun or I think the problem is also like you gets left out that so many of them now I don't know all the people involved I know like my closest friends who would do in them and even then we we don't talk are not much. It's like the occasional email here and I think we just get on with what we're doing. I don't know I'll think about it I think about it. Okay. So I'm going go over to some listener feedback. Now's a mail bag is pretty for, and we're going to start out with Harold, no trailers Clark, who is also resident statman. Now, he's GonNa, start out with some thoughts on Princess Devil but if you wait to the end of the feedback, then there's another piece for him where he collects all the stats, the season to the new twilight zone so you can see. What the most popular were Cetera et Cetera. Okay. So that is enough for me. Let's go over to some friends of the show. Either Tom Clark reporting in from Texas talked about printers devil. So. Before I go any further I, think I need to have a little bit of A. To the twilight home guys and give a little INFLA-. And calculation. So they were in debt, they were forty, eight, hundred, sixty, one dollars. In today's money that would be forty. Nine hundred and fifty four dollars. The offer that was given for the career of one, hundred, thousand dollars in nineteen, sixty three. Equate to eight hundred and forty, two, thousand, four, hundred, seventy, three dollars, and finally the damage should gazette which was estimated half a million dollars. five, hundred thousand dollars in today's money that would be four, million, two, hundred, twelve, thousand, three, hundred, sixteen. There you go. The other thing I need to talk about forgetting any further in this episode is it's not really a character in the episode but. Man. Burgess Meredith. Cigar that thing was fantastic. I re as one of the things that I remembered about this episode as a kid was that crazy cigar. and. Who knows without that cigar where the world would be today because? The his mannerisms, the way he held it the way he showed his teeth we talked with it. I mean come on were three years removed from nineteen sixty, six Batman and Burgess Mayor Than Star as the penguin and if he was the penguin who knows who knows but Yes. So I forgot how much I actually liked this episode. It's I. Guess it's kind of a cliche story. It's another you know. So your soul to the devil. Story but FOR ME You you know Burgess Meredith that just carries the whole the whole thing I mean. I think the dialogue is witty and snappy. I did notice though. He did say a couple of things that made me raise braise my eyebrow like you know he he mentioned about the waitress was you know something about she's she's quick for being a large one or a tall one or something. Well maybe that's lingo for the sixty S and. Who I don't know. Kinda creepy with with him and the the assistant road hundred neck and whispering something in her ear and who says, oh, that's a little creepy and didn't quite remember that. But you know I forgot how the episode ended So you know them using the using the devil's own machine to to rewrite the future you know. I mean, I guess the devil has things against machines and and you can't fool old bloodhound either. So guess the devil does have some some weaknesses. He you know You know as we say season for you know for a lot of people don't get a love but I think as you dig into it. You know there are there are certain certain episodes that that. Think, are under under undeserved or not under deserve. But just you know not setup as highly as it should be I. Think this is one of M-. It doesn't get in the rotation too much but but man. In. His last performance for me just. Again, he just knocked it out of the park from me. So you know kind of a kind of a cliche story, but you know the the episode is raised up due to his performance. So. Anyway. So there's my thoughts and You know. We'll see what the rest of the season four has to offer talk to you then. Tom This is jeff from the US against my second time posted and I thought I would message you about. China. The fourth season since that you're working on right now, I was GonNa wait till the end of the season but I could make this comment, which is I envy you for the fact that you haven't seen these episodes before because. They'll be brand new to you and I remember the first time. I. Saw News Zone. And explored the whole. Show in general as I stated before less time I started watching his own in the. Early to mid seventies, guess around seventy, one, seventy, two. When I was about twelve years old but I didn't get to see the fourth season episodes until they were on the SCI fi channel. In the mid nineties around ninety, six, ninety, five or ninety six is one of the first time I saw them. So it was just it is incredible. It was brand new twilight zone to me and their brand new to you and you got some good episodes coming up that you're going to really enjoy They are pad at a little bit but more zone is always good zone for Mesa. You will enjoy a bunch of the ones coming up but let me tell you what happened to me why I'd never saw them because they were never in the syndication package. I started watching zone. It was on reruns like on Saturday morning and then I remember one of the only ones I saw in the middle of the night was stuff at Willoughby and I'll never forget when they shut the back door to that limousine. And I saw willoughby funeral home It was it was great to see the very first time. You see there's nothing like the first time and you get some first time treasures coming up but I didn't have copied my own copies of zone until The mid eighties they started broadcasting it I lived in the Philadelphia area they were broadcasting over network over the syndicated television channel and I started videotaping them. And they were edited really badly. But at least I had my own copies and I could watch them over and then the PBS station in the late eighties started broadcasting them on Sunday nights once a week. But that was the first time I got to see the full uncut episodes. And Rod serling coming attractions at the end of the episode. So I started videotaping those and I don't think I have any of my syndicated ones because I videotape over the ones that I had already gotten but they still didn't do the four seasons, episodes and I never did by the video cassettes that were offered by Columbia. House. But I did get mailings all the time because I was a subscriber to the twilight zone magazine of which I have every copy. So if you need any articles that were in there, I can photocopy them senator. but anyway, I would get these mailings in the mail. Advertising the Columbia House. Sets. But I never purchased them but I did cut the pictures out and use them for the covers of my of my boxes of my video cassettes which I still have a probably never watched him again but there on my shelf here. And they still did not broadcast the one hour episodes. So I had almost every zone. on videocassette but I didn't have the one hour episodes and finally the sci-fi channel and I remember when they went onto the SCIFI channel it was a big deal. They finally got the twilight zone and I was wondering, are they gonNA show the fourth season episodes and Wallah were and I'll never forget the first time I got to see these shows and of course I add them to my videotape collection and I've subsequently bought the the DVD's and the the BLU rays which are fantastic but I didn't get to see the four seasons zones until the late nineties and like I said I envy the fact that you have some really good ones to come up That you haven't seen yet as far as the ones that you've done already. Look at my list here. EPIC. season. Sorry. In his image excellent thirty, five in grade that one is very padded. It would have been a great half hour. It was a little strange but I enjoyed it was kind of a mini movie that kind of had more of a cinematic quality for me. Just, bail I enjoyed very much. I love. I love All of the seven. Stuff they are live here in Tennessee. Deaths ship excellent anything with. with. Jack Klugman is excellent and Valley of the shadow I remember the first time I saw that was when I moved to Tennessee I was staying in a motel and they had the SCIFI channel. So I got to see Valley of the shadow for the first time there. And then he's alive in miniature I haven't heard your your take on these yet I'm still I'm still at the very beginning I think I've only heard in his image on yours, but I just thought I'd send you this message. And let you know that you got something really good to look forward to and I will. Probably send a message at the end of the season wrapup to the season to. Give you my opinion on the rest of the episodes. You're doing a great job Tom really enjoying the broadcast. You have a wonderful day. Take yourself man bye bye. Hi Tom. This is Steve Fan from San. Francisco. I'd like to help you get back in the groove classic genuine air Lou antique episodes of twilight zone. Let's start with something that confused me about mute. You'll recall that in order to develop their children's telepathic abilities, the parents didn't allow them to be exposed to any normal communication. Apparently, normal communication interferes with telepathic communication. However all the parents and the schoolteacher could communicate telepathically and normally. If the adults can do both, why can't the children do both? Adding to the confusion at the end of the episode when ill speaks for the first time she. Loses, her ability to communicate telepathically. But again, the adults are still able to communicate both ways. What's up with that? Moving onto Jess Belle isle. Disagree with Tom About. The. Witch Granny Heart. On the question of evil, Tom is willing to give the which the benefit of the doubt. But unlike Tom I'm not so smitten with Jeanette Nolan's. That I can't recognize. UNMITIGATED EVIL. I wonder if Tom would be so generous if the which head scraggly Hair Missing Teeth Award Honored Chin and the Voice of a frog. In my book anyone who takes souls from people is evil. On, the other hand I'm glad that time gave just failed the benefit of the doubt. Some might say that just bally's evil for enslaving Billy Ben but I agree that it was nothing more than a tragic mistake. I'd like to think that even just fell hadn't been cursed she would've regretted her decision. Unlike the witch just bell isn't evil. Also. Let's not forget that the promises Billy Ben made to Jess Belle his way of enslaving her. In a way billy Ben's enslavement of Jess Belle was worse because he did it merely to use her for sex while jess did it for love. And finally regarding miniature tough guy actor Robert duvall is out of character as the meet socially Awkward Charlie Parks who falls in love with a doll. This is a big standout episode for me because when I first saw it as a child in nineteen, sixty three, I felt absolutely enthralled by the piano song that the doll plays which happens to be Mozart's Piano Sonata in a major. I fell in love with classical piano music from that moment on. And top that I developed my first fantasy of what kind of woman I would marry Sunday. A woman who played classical piano. The story doesn't make it clear why? Charlie. Falls in love with her but for me, it was the music. One of the complaints about the hour long episodes and season four is that they are padded. Miniature is padded with repeated scenes of the doll playing the piano. But in this case, of course, didn't bother me at all. As a final point, I'll offer a piece of Trivia. Mozart's piano. Sonata was written for Piano but in this episode that all plays it on a Harpsichord. It's even more beautiful on piano. Thanks Tom and keep up the good work. On Listeners Zack more here with my thoughts on the seventh eighth and ninth codes of the twilight zones fourth season. Past the the second season of the new. Twilight Zone I think Oh, be caught up now and should sending these in episode of Soda. Instead of three times I've been doing But yes, starting with just bill this is an episode that I'd never seen and seeing an Francis again was unexpected. I knew her from the after hours obviously but didn't know she was in more than one twilight zone episode because she's she's unrecognizable here hair is dark. Long, and just a very different look for in this episode plus the time period. is in that even talk about it. It's the with the time period is Rod serling Intro, which is, which is different than most of his intros. Because he comes off more like the Rod serling. You see at the end of the episode doing the commercial like the real world twilight zone as opposed to the emissary from the twilight zone, rod sterling character that you talk about Tom. and. Then into that point, he has no inauguration and we just have this folk song that goes throughout the episode which you took me. I. Think a couple of act breaks to figure out OH. This is they're gonNA keep. Playing the song I was like who's playing music right now I don't see when onscreen but I understood what they're going with it eventually. You know this episode I liked it more than I thought he would honestly and you know I think my favorite character was the witch She had a lot of interesting energy for an older woman the even mentioned some of that in the in the podcast did. So You know a memorable side character and. You know this episode worked a lot better if. Jess belden turned into a Leopard I mean. A Leopard is odd choice especially. I don't that time period in that part of the world like, yeah. I mean, you can have a really effective creepy kind of horror movie here. If she was like I, don't like a real real wolf and eating even really need to see the Werewolf right are ways they could've done this worked really well, and also you know the episode. Just, kind of ends. I mean feels like it should ended when. He killed just bell right as as the Leopard. but then it keeps going and it's like a year later I don't know I. I understand that you know the behind the scenes the stuff that you guys discussed that you discuss Tom when it came to making some. So they're probably contributed to it being the way it was. But yeah I actually I there is some good stuff in here and I and I think that had they had more time to. kind of iron out and think it through and just picked a different kind of animal for just. I mean, she eventually turns into like a rat and spider and stuff like that but Yeah. Just when it went way and then especially with no. Rod Sterling Out Tro an and then what are we to assume happened to just bell right? Because we saw a shooting star and He kill which, but I mean the she like Dan for all time now because she sold her soul, the other kind of some dark implications there. But but anyway, that's just bill had never seen it and liked it a lot more than I thought I might after the introduction of like here we are in the old. Hill Country Town era so Anyway moving onto miniature. Now. This is a missile that I heard a lot about Starring Robert Duvall, I'd never seen it. Either and yet this one is completely on his performance of his character. It's very, it's unsettling. But in a good way, you know because his character of Charlie he's he's an awkward Guy Right he tries to fit in the world wants them to do this. All wants them to do that, and it has a Lotta those real world, uncomfortable interpersonal relationships that that surprisingly a few episodes of the original on having that just adds to the to the depth of it I think I think about episodes like a long distance call and stuff like that where it's like, wow, this is this is awkward. I can relate to this either through your own experiences or people you know in the real world like these awkward, Family Dynamics and. No he feel sorry for the Guy but then you know you understand Kinda. Kinda why he retreats in the Simpler World is as you talked about on the podcast because he's just he's just out of step with with with the real world, but you know. it is one of those like. Sixteen. Millimeter Shrine innings where you get your escape into the twilight zone, but is that good I don't know like. In episode like a world of difference I. Think it's all we can all agree that the escape of that character and what was reality in that episode, right? That's a discussion you could have because that's one of my favorite episodes. But I think everybody can agree like Oh that was a good escape right and then these are you know sixty million shining miniature here they're presented as good escapes but then that's what you exist inside a dollhouse you exist inside a. Movie real right to celebrate this but There's a lot of ambiguity here in in the episode you know and I. Don't know really did enjoy it. It's unsettling but knows it is supposed to be so yeah, you know it's a dollhouse Anita. Reproduction and all that stuff. But the production values are they are but but I think he really You get what? They're what they're. Trying to go for here, I think and Robert Hall a great job. Of course, one of those you know he's probably in the top tier of before they were famous people see on the twilight zone. But but yes so I had never seen that I really did enjoy that one as well. Actually probably one of my one of my favorites of season four so far and then moving onto printer's devil. Now, this is one I had seen Burgess Meredith being a star. Maybe that's why they you know put it in a lot of the sci-fi channel. Marathons back in the day that that's were might twilight zone Phantom was forged watching those twilight zone marathons on the sci-fi Channel here in America and every now, and then they throw in a fourth season episode and this is one of those ones probably because it's the most you know. Most famous because it has burgess meredith. and. Really liked how you read those The story and then had the radio play Tom of. The earlier versions of of of this or things that this has been based off of this story, and I gotta say like this is what I remembered fondly but actually liked a lot less than I finally. Saw It because I just heard to reading of the original storm like man that sounds like a better story. Because this one McGee I, just Burgess Meredith is great as always and actually I like the characters again awkward real world dynamics like there's you know the the newspaper editor, he has a girlfriend, but she's not his wife and she has a problem with that and it's a dynamic there and But I liked characters I like the drama in like Oh God we've got to close the paper. You know I mean you feel bad for for this guy he's at he has his It's a wonderful life moment right? I mean. But it's instead of angel showing up it's the devil. So it's dark twist on that reads about the jump off a bridge and commit suicide but. The I don't know the story just didn't really The story was lacking I think I liked the characters like the situations I think a lot more with it and maybe more inspiration from from a short story was based off because the the climax is kind of unintentionally comical where it's like always easygoing to finish printing this out before they get. In a car accident and I, I don't know So yeah to me this is one of those ones which I did remember and remembered enjoying to a certain extent, but watching it back I just kind of fell a little flat. So I'm according this before hearing, your podcast I'm looking forward to hear your thoughts on on the episode itself but. I mean it's it's better than. It's better the Mr Dingle the strong. Has So it's not the it's not the least of the Burgess Mary this episodes. But it's definitely in the bottom half of those four. So so yeah, there you go. Those my thoughts on these three episodes keep up the great work. I'm looking forward to getting back to season for proper here and If all goes according to plan, I'll be sending these feedbacks in episode by episode now and not waiting for three at a time. Either Tom and friends of the show herald clerk report from beauty. Texas talked about twenty twenty twilight zone ratings and rankings. Sir GonNa want to thank everybody who spent the time to put some thought into this and give their give their scores We actually had a twenty four different people. Give the ratings throughout the weeks. And eleven those people gave ratings for every single episode. So that's a a good data sample we got there and as far as rankings go that we collected at the end of all the episodes, eleven, people gave their full rankings. So again we got we got a lot of good good stuff good numbers to go off of. So ratings. When you're reading something, you know from from ten to one, you're looking for that perfect ten episode. I realized that ratings are actually good. During the season. Gives you something to. some metric to go off of you can say, well, you know I like that episode, I, gave that seven but this episode I liked a lot better. So I guess I'll give this eight you know. I'm glad that nobody nobody went into decimal points. Thank you I. Give us an eight point one, two, five, six. Don't do that next season. Anyway. But. So yeah. So I think ratings how how `bout during the season however at the end of the season. Rankings are helpful because now you now you you could maybe revisit the episodes but you can also take those episodes that have the same exact score such as hey, I thought four episodes. This season were perfect ten. Now you've got to rank them. So which of those four is best to the best. which unfortunately means that for that person. A perfect ten episode falls all the way down to number four. So. That brings me to the point ratings and rankings yet they're not perfect. This. Is just to have a little fun a little bit of food for thought. You know one of the things I realized during this second season as. We all bring our personal experiences. To the show. and and and different episodes affect different people differently. For some. People. Know they've been exposed to you know you know this toxic world of of social media just burned out on that? You know. So when you get some episodes that maybe you you know prick your ears on that and go I, can see the parallels here. They have a much stronger reaction to that for better or for worse. For other people you have episodes that maybe bring back. Experiences from their youth and again for better for worse to think up, I can totally relate to this or now that's not that's not how it was when I was young. So. Again, they may affect their scores upper down but at the end, it's all good. Again. Just something to you know something to keep us off the streets out of trouble as we as we deal with this. Twenty twenty year that's been very unusual. So anyway US let's get into the ratings So I, WANNA actually. Talk, a little bit about some of the most divisive episodes meaning the scores were the widest apart, and then a couple of episodes that we at least all agreed upon that wherever it fit in the ranking man generally speaking we all Kinda agreed that that was about the score that is she get. So among the scores for the twenty four people for the for the ratings. The most of episode was maybe a surprise or not You might also like the reason why it's the most divisive is it again, we're looking for perfect ten scores here, but two people gave it a one two people gave it a two however it did get one, ten score I. Got One nine score in got three eighths. So again, a wide range of opinion there. Another one that was a wide range of opinion was eight. it had it also had to number one scores to number two scores to number three scores, but also had one perfect ten had two sevens and two sixes. So again you know. a widespread for some people. They loved it and others like, nope not for me. The episode that we actually agreed on the most meaning the scores were the closest together was actually the WHO of you? for that there was actually two perfect tens four nine. Eight eight, one, seven, and one five. So not a very big spread and you can probably Kinda, guess roughly what you think the average rating of that episode of but spoilers we'll get to that soon. So two other episodes that were pretty close in scores we thought up this is kind kinda where they belong was a small town. In downtime. And the rest of the episodes. Are. You know there's somewhere there in the middle of mean, you might have an oddball score here and there but. For the for those first three small town, who've you downtime we agreed, Yep, those are the great scorers but little bit a little bit of fussing and fighting over you my also like an eight. So let's get into the rate teen. So coming in at number ten with an average rating of four point five, ten being best. So with an average rating of four point five is. Eight. Coming in at number nine. Is Ovation with four point, eight two and coming in at number eight is you might also like with a smack DAB in the middle, a rating of five. and. Then we get a big jump in the ratings almost two points. Coming in at number seven is a human face with an average rating of six point eight six. next up. I jump is meet in the middle with an average rating of seven. And then strangely enough episodes. Number four number five tied with the exact same score. which is really strange because in two thousand nineteen. numbers four number five for that year also had the exact same. Rating score kind of Spooky Q. The twilight zone music. Anyway but jumping from meet in the middle to than the number five episode is another big jump actually. Just, over a point, meet in the middle head average rating of seven whereas the number five episode number five and number four both had a rating of eight point zero six. what these ratings show is it's it may it's a tale of two. The top five episodes are only separated. By. About three quarters of a point. So according to those twenty four people these these five. Did indeed, kind of separate themselves out meet in the middle on a human face. I guess you can consider kind of in the Middle Law, but you know you might also like ovation eight certainly in a lower tier but in this upper tier coming in at number five is among the untried. and. It actually tied. With downtime, they had the exact same rating, but I did put downtime at four because there was a closer agreement on the scores. So that's why bump that up. Remember. Four. And then a very small little jump. Into number three with the WHO of you with an average rating of eight point two five. And then another little small jump to number two, which is. A small town. Which means the number one I ranked a ratings episode. was tried try with an average rating of eight point nine two, pretty high there. So and the reason for that is try try had eight perfect ten scores, one, nine, one, seven, and two sixes. And full disclosure I was one of those sixes but. I mean, it was it was. That's better than average for me. But. Still. It it got up to number one. So congratulations to try try. So. Let me talk a little bit about the the the rankings. Because there is a couple of interesting things that came up at least with the eleven people that again gave the ranking. So we don't have. We. Don't have all twenty four people. You know it was either an all or nothing with the rankings. Last, we had some people that just said, this was my favorite episode. This was the worst. But. With the rankings, we have eleven people, they all gave the exact same score or the scores for all ten episodes. So, let me again talk about actually what the according to the rankings with the most divisive episode was it was actually meet in the middle. And the reason for that is. Actually had to number one scores. Now again, with rankings, you're looking for the number one position ten being the worst. The middle had two number ones a number to how ever it also had one number eight and two people ranked it at the bottom at number ten. and. Then actually, surprisingly, another divisive episode episode was among the trodden. A actually had four number two rankings. but it also had one number nine ranking one number eight ranking in two number sevens. So, again, why range there as far as an episode that we all agreed on. This is this where it should rank roughly was ovation. and interestingly enough ovation didn't have. There was no ranking higher than number six. It had three number seven rankings and also had three number nine's among the rest of the scores. So that tells you that we generally agreed that ovation was in the lower half of the season. however, another episode that we agreed on was downtime it actually had no ranking lower than six. had actually had to number fives and had four number four's again among the rest of it scores. So we generally agreed, Yep downtime belongs in the upper half. So. Let's get into the the rankings and see how these episodes played out coming in at number ten according to the rankings is actually with an average ranking of eight point two seven. Is, actually, you might also like. you might also have one number one ranking. So somebody said, this was the best however four people gave it a number eight two people gave it a number nine and four people gave it a number ten. Coming, in at number nine is eight at a ranking of eight point one, eight coming in at number eight with a ranking of eight point zero is ovation. and. Then like before there's a huge jump up into number seven, which is a human face with an average ranking of six point two seven. And then actually. A big jump of over a point. To meet in the middle now, with the the ratings human face in meet in the middle we're in the same order but the ratings they were much closer together for whatever particular reason Again, the people who gave the rankings there is that there's a much bigger gap between a human face and meet in the middle. Coming in at number five is among the on trodden with an average ranking of four point seven three. And then number four is downtime at four point three, six ranking Interestingly, enough coming in at number three is who of you? But interestingly the WHO of you nobody ranked it number one. However. It did have one number two and it also had four number three's so among again, the other scores had some fours and fives and I think there was an eight or something in there but but even with no number one ranking, the rest of the scores was enough to bring it up to an average ranking of four point two seven. And then. There's a again a bigger jump to small town, which is number two then in the ratings and the ratings. The difference between the WHO of you in a small town was only point three nine but according to the rankings. Small town actually jumped up over point from the WHO of you a Four point two seven and a small town has an average ranking of three point one eight. So according to the again, the Levin people that ranked it It seems like the these top to, of course, try try being number one. kind of separated themselves try try. Had An average rank of two point eight to. A small town by the way it had four number ones. four number, three's one, number four, one, number six, and one number seven. try try to get its average rating of two point eight two had four number ones. four number TWOS, one, number seven and one number eight. So the top seven episodes role in the exact same order but the little bit of movement down through the Bible with a vacation eight and you might also like. But yes. So there you. So last thing I want to do is actually compare. These the rank, the scores, the rating scores for all twenty episodes include the two, thousand, nine, hundred episodes in two, thousand, nineteen, we had seven people give their full. Rankings for all ten episodes. So that gives us a good again, good data. Sample to get from so. So coming in at number twenty with an average ranking of point three, eight is the wonder can. and then you have you might also like. Eight. And then ovation and not all men are tied with an average ranking of eight point zero. And then you have a big jump of more well over a point from eight to six point seven one for the number fifteen injury, which is point of origin. then you have a human face. The comedian at six point Oh, a traveler. And meet in the middle which is at average rank and a five point. Oh nine. And then coming in in the top ten is among the un-trumpian and then coming in at number nine number eight where the two episodes that that tied. Blurry man at number nine, four, point, four, four and nightmare at thirty thousand feet at four point four four. But there more General Agreement about nightmare thirty, thousand feet. So that's why got the got the rub of going in higher. And then a small jump up to number seven downtime, and then the who of you, and then we have a another jump into the top five of a little over three quarters of a point. At an average rank of three point five for replay. The, you have a small town. Try Try again at two point eight, two, and then number two is six degrees of freedom at two point seven, five and number one. Was the Blue Scorpion with an average ranking of two point five seven. So. So there you go. So again, I want to thank everybody for putting their scores again i. hope that we can all gathered together and get get this. Going again next year for season three. So then I will talk at you later. Okay. Bye Rod serling creator of the twilight zone. We'll tell you about next week story after this message if you want to get your thoughts onto the show, then email clip to Tom at the twilight zone PODCAST DOT com. Five minutes or less should do if you want to talk about any of the episodes we've talked about in season for so far or the next episode that we're going to be covering to. So to hear what that is, let's go over to road sailing and now Mister Sterling FRONTEX show Mr Dana Andrews makes his first visit to the twilight zone and a show called no time like the past. You'll see him discontented inhabitant of the twentieth century who goes back in time back to what we assumed to be the in violent past. And violates. A walloping performance, a strange and oddball theme an ending most unexpected. In the tradition of the twilight zone. You and I both share this dubious distinction with several million of our peers what happened to twentieth century and you don't care for the twentieth century. I do not. How did you know? Didn't you. Can You? Can you they'd be fire. But what I didn't know who, I didn't know that I would call it. And took. Did.
414 The Norliss Tapes
"We take a single episode of science fiction TV series and over analyze it to within an inch of its life. This is the fusion patrol podcast. Welcome to the discussion. Hello. And welcome to another episode of fusion patrol. I'm eugene. And I'm sorry. And tonight, we are looking at the nineteen seventy three. Three in nineteen seventy three. The Norlisk tapes a Dan Curtis production. David Norlisk is a recognized name author. He's been working on an advance from his publisher to write a new book. Debunking the supernatural. His publisher is distressed Norlisk calls him and says I can't write the book I need to talk to you now. But when Norlisk misses the meeting his publisher starts to worry and worry, he should Norlin has gone missing. The only clues to his disappearance. The cassette tape notes that he's left behind his publisher starts with tape. Number one. It recounts a prologue Norlisk adventures how he started researching and debunking the frauds that prey on the gullible who believe in the supernatural. But then his adventure begins when he's approached by MRs Ellen court. Recent widow of the wealthy and famous artist Jane's court who died of natural causes. She saw. Out New Orleans because their sister is a friend of his and mentioned his research into supernatural recently late at night while living alone and the giant mansion left to her by late husband. The dog goes nuts and leads her to the husband's remote studio on the property there. Asama fide version of her husband tries to kill her. She narrowly escapes the sheriff, although taking the crime seriously doesn't believe the more fantastic elements of the story Norlisk decides to investigate he learns that court was struck with a rare debilitating and fatal brain disease after which he became entangled with Madame. Oh, a proponent of a supernatural and that in exchange for some unknown promise he was given an antique ring the ring of Cyrus, which he never took off. And specifically left instructions in his will that he'd be buried wearing Norlin verifies that courts body and the ring are still in the family crypt. And then the murders. Start the. Court. Zombie kills a young woman and drains, her body of blood, the local sheriff investigates, but tries to keep a lid on the more fantastical elements of the story this being the same sheriff who didn't holy believe MRs court story, either Norlisk interviews Langdon gallery owner who worked with court, and who has shown a marked interest in the ring and also introduced court to Madame juquila legend has it that the ring is addition and is the symbol of immortality. While Langdon reveals nothing useful to New Orleans. Norlisk lets him know he'll never get the ring because it was interred with court soon. Langdon tries to steal the ring from the crypt. But his killed by the FBI Norlin. Visit Madame juquila who is also unhelpful, but warns him and MRs Gort to stay away from the mansion it is the house of Sarg off now returning to the studio because Norlisk convinced that is the key to this mystery. They find a new statue a work in progress with fresh clay nearby. And then they are attacked by court. Once again, they barely escape this time court demonstrates, he's incredible strength by ripping the door of the car off the sheriff investigates, but he dismisses the more fantastic elements of the story. Even after they discover courts buddy is no longer in the crip. Ellen sister returns from a trip and goes to visit her sister unaware that the mansion is now vacant unable to get in. She stops at a nearby hotel for the night soon court breaks in kills her and takes her body. Norlin has been researching and has discovered a series of prohibition era tunnels under the state connecting the studio and the crypt and he had the clan lies and learned that it is forty percent human blood. He also conducts some chemistry experiments on his own. But that's for later. Meanwhile, Madame tequila visits Ellen court and confesses that she had been used by the powers of darkness and that court made a deal after he died. He. Come back to life and make a statue that the demon saga would transform into a new body and then grant court eternal life upon success. If they can just find the body and remove the ring before sunset, it will all end the go to the mansion despite it being almost sunset and without nora's. And discover the tunnel the missing dead bodies and court who kills Madame juquila. But let's Ellen go free Norlisk arrives with plan. Let court finish the statue. He will surround it with a circle of blood and when Sargon comes to life. He will sit the blood on fire, which is an impenetrable barrier for supernatural beings. The plan works in the studio was burned down the charred body of court, but not saga f- is found. There is no answer to the disappearance of David New Orleans on tape one perhaps on tape to is publisher begins to listen. Okay. So the reason that we are looking at the Norlisk tapes and to be fair we should have done. This tween coal check than. Zz Docker and the night stalker. But circumstances prevented us from doing that. Namely, I forgot. But the reason we're doing this is because a little bit of backstory the movie the night stalker came out of January nineteen seventy two was a huge hit and ABC who had the movie wanted to series. Actually they wanted to series of movies. But nobody liked that idea. Dan curtis. Didn't like the idea. Dermot Gavin in like the idea. Nobody apparently liked the idea. But Dan Curtis was well enough into it that he was willing to do a sequel. And you know, how it became a series of different story. But at the same time NBC said, hey, we want a series. But of course, they couldn't have it. So they went to Dan Curtis and said give me a pilot for a series like that. And so this was shot basically at the same time the night strangler was the night strangler was released in January of seventy three. This was released in February of seventy three. And you know, when I say simultaneously, that's kind of a broad that's kind of a broad term because he would only shoot seven to ten days or something like that back back when they were making these movies. So there may have been a longer pre production. But Dan Curtis was involved in both projects at the same time and Dan Curtis directed both the night strangler and the New Orleans takes Robert Colbert did the music for both of them. Which is why it sounds so much the same. You know, the titles look the same because that's Dan Curtis product. I mean, they are they are cut from the same cloth in more than one way these two show. So that's why we brought it out here. Just to look at this. This is the first because coach never had right? It never. It's the first manifestation of someone trying to copy check in in in the films, and it's actually the man himself doing it to that someone else's request. They can and so he he's done cut. His just to get clear is okay. We see idea of being TV series is the series of films. He doesn't like that's what I read that seems a little he didn't feel there was room for eight series in the coal check formula or eight movies in the culture formula. But apparently Norling tapes is sufficiently restructured that he thinks that there is maybe it's because. Norlisk is rich and can go wherever the Heke wants. He's a writer instead of journalist. So he's independently I I don't know. I don't know quite what they were thinking at that time structures light different in the days. More setup was a serial, obviously, there's an intention for each site to be relatively stand alone while this is relatively standalone. So that's what I'm seeming. Yes. Yes. We could talk about that. But I mean, yes, the whole thing with court seems to be a standalone story, the whole mystery of Norlisk disappearance is that even related to this story. Well, we don't know. I I watch this thinking this just a another one off another film like the nights doco the night strangler on blow me if I by the end of it because you mentioned all the parallels. Well, we get another story is all about narration from the tapes. I mean. Childless time. Oh, yeah. I forgot mentally what we what we building is a framing slightly more elaborate framing, which is based around having notice new rate what is going on. And when we do that in contact stories, we deta slightly brief, but nevertheless, an introduction from coach which kind of sets up where we going to be by the end of the story. And that's the kind of wrapping up of the threats. Why coach is sitting in a pot Maden disheveled suit, or whatever it is in whatever particular story is. And so I'm thinking and this one well, we're going to find out. What is that has happened to no less that has led to him becoming despondent vanishing blow me if it turns out, it's not a flipping standalone story. Cancelled series. I'm never getting closure on this. Maybe big finish will pick it up. I actually I actually was sitting and watching this and thinking at the end, you know, why why couldn't I mean, whether or not the relative quality of the program is there to say the setup is it's more coal Chac than the two thousand and five nights Docker. And it does have a few of the problems with the premise, perhaps cleared up. Not not one hundred percent. Sure there. You know, my my complaints. You know, it is very similar to nights Docker night strangler in its format approach and everything might my main complaint about it is and I like, ROY Innis, but cut he's awful in this. He's I think he's just so bland and disinterested in his narration and his and his he's like he's sleepwalking through this thing to me. And you know, you, rob. Publi haven't seen it. But he was a star of TV series called the invaders in the late sixties which went a couple years, and I quite liked him in that. And of course, he was in the X files several times. Well, several times it was once he's the alien that helped moulder and cured cancer man of his cancer. Okay. Okay. Right. So I know he was because we've talked once or twice about pilot episodes that get chucked into the the sequence of show on when you get to that one ever seem slightly old. And if you watch law and order when you get to six suddenly the regular district attorney, Adam Schiff disappears. And this new district attorney Alfred Wentworth appears with no explanation, and he's ROY Innis who they hot to shoot the pilot that by the time they came to series. He got other gig or something and didn't want to do the show. So. So. Another. Okay. Another perfect example those out of order pilots. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I I liked ROY Innis over the years. I just didn't think he was good in this potential anything. I just think the way he was playing it his character wasn't interested. Perhaps. That's see. I think I think he is good in this. And I like he's performance. So I'm gonna straightway disagree. I do things the way this is written and passed acted does him. No favours in the sense that this whole framing that is is set up, and you know, having seen that is designed a framing the series. Not just the upside I come to I understand that. Why? Now, but they spend almost ten minutes on just the framing before they get into the story proper. And as part of the at all, we really see if this is the kind of this shell of the man who has suffered this terrible chore. Who whatever it is. And he does seem very listless and shaken in that, and it doesn't come trust sufficiently with the performance he gives when he is being the investigate of the writer in the the kind of call it flashbacks. But, you know, the the the story cropper, and that's a pity because I I like the way is compared to sorry Darren mcgavin, but compared to to coach Jack because when he's into beuing court the right right at the start of the story, his style is so much more believable. He I mean, he is quite kind of laid back, but he's eliciting the story from her by by just sort of giving how these it'll tell me. Whereas whereas coach check comes across as what a what a Cup scouts idea of a newspaper coal to might be light. I wanna be I wanna be newspaper man when I grow up, and that's what you get on screen. Well, coal check is both passionate and cynical about what he does. And at varying times one or the other or a bit of both. And he also because he's a smart ass when he does his narration there's a little bit of there's a little bit of wit to it. There's a little bit of sparkle and Norlisk get stuff like the rain was coming down like a curtain from gun metal sky. So, wow, you've been reading too much. Oh, that's thought he's been too much too, many Dashiell Hammett novels perhaps. I it not that. I mean, not something I noted myself because I think it's a partial fix to some of the stuff that's happening to this happened in the in the coach axe to. So I mean down Gavin is right, charismatic, Beasley that comes across in the performance that and he is all the things you said, but I think the bottom line easings character as well. Okay. And that is the opportunity with Norlisk to do something. That's a bit less like that. But the problem is I still really think that the whole narration framing former works. It's an attempt to make it back to because by making the guy into a writer than the rain's coming down from like, a cat and from the gun metal sky is more forgivable than it would be for an employee of the international news or whatever trip check. And I guess working. I guess. These notes aren't weren't originally intended sets the next question where the notes intended for himself or with the notes intended for his publisher. You know, I I don't think that's I think that's been Soltau because they all notes it's not like he setting it down as a book. Whereas if he was setting it down as book, then you could kind of think yet, he's he's giving it all that. Because he's trying to entertain the paying public his stuff will I do this. So when I'm writing stuff down or when I'm taking notes, whether I'm trying to work on a script idea. Whether I'm working, my notes for this or for for whatever it is that I'm that I'm writing I do have a tendency to write very terse note note, note note, and if I have an idea of something that some linguistic thing that I what flourish that I wanna put I will stop and write it in the middle of it. So you can get my notes we'll go for like, he goes seasoning. Then he does this. And then Blida, you know. So it I do find it forgivable that if he is thinking towards the mind of writing a book that as he's taking his notes, he might think. Oh, yes. You know? I that image of the rain in my mind. I should I should definitely flourish that out. So I don't forget it when I get around to write some the bosses nineties. This is this is he's narrating the film that we're watching. That's you know, that's what's that's what's going on here. And. It's it's a kind of slightly irritating conceit within the story that they can use the punishment plan the types as a sort of way of explaining that. But it doesn't and you come back to things like the bits of narrative that we couldn't really know don't really know like when the girl is in the car, and the guy is on B that I bought. Grabs it by the neck. We can we can maybe put that together by the French Canada's after but it, but it's all it's all reconstructions, no eyewitness evidence tab because she hasn't survived. And so what's going on? There is when we're having a story narrated, and we're seeing it come to life before our eyes because that's the kind of dramatic concedes. There is that and it just feels like a. An unnecessary unnecessarily elaborate way, you you could just narrate the thing if you wanted to write the thing the thing, let's not pretend this isn't drama. I forgot to mention a parallel the original night stalker by Jeff rice was not called the night stalker. Remember, it was an unpublished book that got converted to a movie before the book ever got published and by the time, the book got published the book was renamed to the night stalker because the movie was called the night soccer, the original title, or one of the original titles was the coal check tapes, which Dan Curtis would have known going into this. So. The thing. Yeah. So I guess it's just his his narration. I don't like his narration in this because it does for half of the reasons that you didn't like the narrator in the night stalker. Whereas I thought they were okay. Because listening to what he had to say was usually amusing perhaps it appeals to my sense of humor. You know, she should have settled on being alive. It's really it's really cold and acerbic wit at times. And I appreciate that this guy just when he gets into his talking is like driving down the coast, and it was a beautiful see with the sun ocean crashing this thing. And yes, peninsular country really could give the French Riviera a run for its money. But I wasn't thinking about the scenery that dance were you're writing down. And. So bland when when he does that that it adds to the bland performance. But you're absolutely right. When he is interviewing when he's doing real, well, we don't see him to research, but we see the fruits of his research. It does seem to be doing. He's doing it better and more effectively and he's not driven by deadlines. So I guess, you know, he probably has a different research ethic and workflow my really I really liked the premise. I mean, I it's it feels a bit familiar though. I I mean, I know it was Jason ABS the last days of Jack spock's used avai similar kind of story. But I'm sure it's been used in other things before where you've got to write a setting out to debunk the power normal and then bathing to debunk it and. In a way. That's that's the Scully approach. But I'll say in in that makes you have a believer in much the way that culture is a believer in table two that we never get to see we know what do we know we don't, but I'm going to ask questions, whereas New Orleans on the scale in tape to is he still debunk or going in and and trying to debunk and ups up some wrong turns out this was a real one too. I don't think he can be because you come you come Palau in a in a series that was one of the things the X files had difficulty waste because they ended up at various points or swapping roles being believers and non-believers. So I don't think he would have worked carrying on it works within a a standalone story. I guess what bugs me about that that I think you're right. But I think what what would bug me on that in the long run would be that. For every supernatural story. That's real. There. Must be thousands and thousands and thousands of fakes, but they get that. Right. Because he does he does say I mean, obviously doesn't right up because it's boring. But he does say he spends setting amounts of time with mediums and other joust. Choices and a he on mosques everything that they do. So he's he does what he setting out to do. It doesn't ply takes. Terrible notes. Yeah. But maybe it's maybe it's interesting. He thinks is a bit lazy is a bit like shooting fish about. And actually, it's much more interesting when you read something because all of all of his ones are genuine shysters. Whereas if you read about the way, someone like Darren Brown debunk, some of this stuff, it's it's quite interesting learning about the differences between cold reading warm rating, and this kind of thing and unin- some cases, obviously, maybe things mediums you get people who are not the not malicious tricksters that delusional. That there is some potential interest. But obviously this hasn't found that he hasn't found anything worth writing a book about and then and then he seems to stumble across this case which isn't much like any of the ones that he's been looking at. And it's not immediately obvious. Why he thinks it's worth including his book. But I guess the personal connection may be explained that do you think that he believed to quickly. Yes. Because he does seem to take her. Okay. Ano- the use all your husband the cops. Didn't see your husband. She doesn't unless he's just say good not at not tipping his hand. So that he doesn't poison the witness. I say, yes, he does come round himself quite fast, low, I suppose, the evidence does mountaintop. I do like the fact that he doesn't dismiss what she says. Because that reflects what I was saying about, you know, not everyone being not everyone being out to deceive some people just being mistaken all with the best intention join their own conclusions. And that's what he is seems about her. He he says to Marcia something like she's telling the truth as she sees it. And that's what I mean. And unlike the fact, he's not at this point drawing conclusions about what he thinks the truth is, but he's not he's not Matic -ly, assuming that either zombies real or she's ally. Okay. And yeah. And then it was kind of also what I was trying to say as does wanna poison the witness. Bye bye. By just basically, telling her she's nuts. Like, okay, I'm not going to say one way or the other. But but he does to me he feels like, okay. That's that's the guy awfully awfully easily. And and I I just couldn't quite get a read on that from from from the standpoint of a guy who who comes into it saying that he's a crusader, basically, he wants to be on a crusade to debunk this kind of nonsense, and you know, shifts shifts pretty darn fast in, but I don't think crusade would necessarily want to. Yes. I mean as you put it as poisoning, but what he would want to do would be to get as much from Allen court as he could about what she seen in what she's believed debunking, the power normal doesn't mean being aggressive towards or. Imagine the way coach clue. It what it means is humoring her because it's useful. But also, it's not necessarily the right thing to do to to say. Actually, the fact is I perceive them are this that it's. That it's right up. There's basically what I mean by poisoning the witness. So that he's if you just go in and man's plane to her why she's wrong. Yes. She clam up. She's not going to be forthcoming. She's not gonna continue to help. She's gonna treat him as as hostile. And why would you do that? Yeah. You would why would person doing that? But I just can't you know, again, it could be from the narration. It could be the fact that it's done after the fact it's clearly done after the fact what what he narrates done after Sargon has been captured and killed done. It does this doesn't feel like this doesn't feel like the narration that he did day by day where he goes home records a little bit sets it down. Then the next day record again you see. Yeah. This is the problem with the format format yet because it's not actually stuff he's recorded notes. Anyway, it's narration of TV movie. Yeah. So that hasn't been to given to that. And. The fact is that becomes problematic to understanding what he's thinking. I think that is a bit of an issue in other places because I felt when e went untold when he went and interviewed Charles Langdon, and he MU that Langton was after the ring and he knew where the ring was. And he where's he going with this? What he tells him where the ring is. You assume he's doing that for pups? It does feel like that when. Yeah, exactly when you cut straight away to Langdon gang and hoping the crypt you pretty much expect Knowle's to be talked to weigh in Kona ready to to leave houses a hawk got you. But of course, it's not that is just it's a way of advancing the plot. And see what script writer was thinking about setting that scene out. But what was Knowle's thinking was he really just that naive that he drops that information into lines lap completely thoughtlessly it? It did really feel like he was leading him. It really did purposefully. Yeah. Yeah. That that was really the impression I and maybe even if you have to have this narration that would be a wave explaining it. Because he could actually explain in his notes, what is intention was. But he doesn't. Yeah. I mean alternatively he could have been doing it to get Langdon to leave Elena alone. But you're not gonna get it. It was it was I really didn't. I really didn't get. I I didn't either was enough. There wasn't enough in the relationship with Ellen for him to be protective Esa like the fact that he didn't seem to get romantically involved with either. I mean, I enjoyed the both the characters and the way they interacted because when when he I mean, obviously, I say he's not protective. He does suggest that she doesn't stay. House and she then agrees when he's going back to the studio to investigate he else to go with him. And he sets out what he's going to do. It says will you come with me. And I guess he knows it's going to be fairly scary for her. And so does she. But she still does it. And you know, they go together. The intrepid power and I liked that. I just questioned why they headed to it at night. But. Well, I have to do it. And then I don't know why. Yeah. And so I'll I'll bring up something is a nit picky point. But I I it was odd with the writing there are at least three different instances where we're told. It was just after midnight the first attack at the house was just after midnight. There's a there's a mention of it being just after midnight at the hotel. There was a mention of it being just after midnight. I think the night that they the two of them went to the house because he's you know, he said I'll be there in an hour. But and she's wise it so late in traffic in the rain and stuff. And so it was just after midnight. Again, every time every time that the the zombie put in his appearance and saps sunrise sunset. Yes. And we must be just bad additive. I I I really felt like there was this midnight thing and the witching hour that that seems like perfectly reasonable zombie Lor. We're making stuff up that if it isn't it should be and then and then they mess it up with the final sequence. And I I think it must be it must have been a change that was made. And they they didn't catch the other instances where they set out after midnight. Honestly, I be far more likely. It's to me is far more believable in teas, we're believable and quotes here. I would never go hunting vampire five in the afternoon. Maybe be just completely insane. Wouldn't it? Maybe if you were up in Scotland and the dead of summer, maybe five PM is early enough away from sunset that you might. You might think about going to do that. What I would do it. If I thought the deadline was midnight. Okay. If we can just get up there and poke around for an hour or two and then get the heck out. Okay. It's a hundred. Two hundred. Punting vampire, five PM would be Pathak reasonable thing to most reasonable people probably go hunting vampires fight the m five I'm thinking six AM would be my preferred time of the day, but you know. You know? So I'm mostly thinking, not hunting ties fed, but I had to do just a bit crazy. If it was them, are you, I suppose. Remember, there's there's last man on earth, the real one not the that the name of the book in Avella span on earth. Ooh. Yeah. Yeah. Has to be. That's like that's what he does all day. So at least got to do is to go hunt. Vampires you start in the beginning of the day, you make sure your home safe at night, I'm gonna it's perfectly reasonable anyway, who's tally. The you mentioned earlier that there is ten minutes of setting the story up. I gave a brief lurk, but not enough of a look to found a satisfactory answer. I think that in nineteen seventy seventy-two the typical length of a TV episode after you've stripped it of commercials was about fifty minutes if I'm not mistaken. This was very strange in my mind in that you have the the bits where Norlisk calls is publisher. And they talk about how bad it is. Or how I can't do it. You gotta hear these tapes. And now, I gotta talk to you. I gotta talk to you today. So then they have the whole bit where he goes down. And he sits around waiting for lunch and nothing happens. And then he calls, and we Norlisk ignoring and we see then we seem go back, and it's like a week later, the publisher context Norlisk attorney, and he tells the attorney to look into. To it. And so the attorney looks into it, and then the Terni catches up with publisher days later, apparently, you're right to be worried. I found in the whole stuff about writing up and down on the cable car, and and and go into the club. And and and then finally the publisher goes to Norlisk place, and and starts to process now this movie was one hundred seventy two minutes long. So if they could just kill twenty two minutes with the framing stuff, this would effectively be about what one episode of the New Orleans tapes as TV series would be like probably have about the same pacing. You know, what they would have to cut it up under normal normal circumstances, which is another tip off that they're probably going for a pilot that in the big number one in the number two on the tape. But anyway, this one was written issue by William F Nolan. You familiar with him? I don't. I am not Richard Matheson, who did the night stalker was famous TV writer short story, novelist. Concentrated a lot on horror stories he'd written the movie duel, which I think you owe. But yes. Star Trek stories. He's written says, we'll leave if Nolan also a multiple award winning horror SCI fi writer, also Star Trek the twilight zone, he and George Clayton. Johnson did Logan's run. And I mean, the novels on then William Nolan wrote the rest of the novels. He's he's won countless awards. He's won. Are. He's written comedy things. I guess he's got a Sam space series, which is sort of a comedy science fiction detective PI sort of thing. He's done biographies. I know he's gonna buy of Dashiell Hammett out there. So there's there's a connection that popped in my brain. When I was thinking about the the writing. It's like, oh, yeah. He's definitely trying to do the old PI pastiche there with a gun metal sky and all that kind of stuff. I mean, the guy has got a ton of a ton of work behind him. It's not it's not bad. I'm the premise of the story is I grown when they said, oh, the blood's been drained out of the body after admit that that was the one part in the story that that I just really it has to be a blood drain. Traders. Well, it's back tonight. Stocker it's like, it's another blood draining thing, and yes, they had a good reason for it could reason for it from the in universe story kind of which I thought was novel though, I don't need it to survive. I don't need to vibe. It's like I'm have to make this blood body for this demon. I mean, okay. That's that's the kind of weird stuff I can expect. I I appreciate it. It was as ambi- go. It wasn't your standard zombie wasn't your standard vampire it. It had all the marks. I I thought it was a decent premise for this supernatural story. It. 'execution perhaps it was definitely tweet for jump scares Danker. Obviously, did whatever he could to get as many jump scares out of the story as he could up to an including the cat, which was one. There were two that bug me. One was the cat. Well, it was cows. Alright it was okay. But comes back to your your narrator point point this. He goes on and explains how this girl was leaving her hotel or no shoes, leaving her work and going home, and the the twenty minute drive, or whatever it was that she was going to do when she comes out of the place, and it's all dark owners tension. You're like, well, he's narrating, you know, she's dead. You know, she's dead. Here comes court. No, it's a cat. You don't know. She's dead because how the hell does. He know. All the details about the particular journey. She made that evening exactly how does he know the can't jump down. But I know that when the narration starts we start telling us about a character, whose, you know, stay out late, you know, that she's dead. I mean, you know, the culture, so when the cat jumps that like, okay. I can I can I can rationalize in my mind because the cop actually, the the sheriff actually says this later on he says to Norlisk or to whomever. They was a guy in the back of the car. They were driving. She was driving home. He's came out and strangled her and the car smashed into a tree which is exactly what happened. It's what the sheriff was able to put together from the evidence at the scene omitting the blood drain, and that is what Norlisk narrated to us. She was working late. He could have found it easily. How late she was working where she working alone. Yes. She was did. Drive home. You know, how far was it drive home? He could put all that together and make perfect sense out of that. And and he knows it's court because he's narrating after the fact that it's court and so all any can put together but not that jump scare with a cat. He could not have known that. I I agree. But I I still feel like putting putting all that together. After the fact you still a cheat. You could you could actually just had the the sequence from where the sheriff is arriving on the scene base. It base it on his test me. So he turns up at the scene of a car crash. And then there was some interesting things culture. You don't need all this stuff about. Leaving the sharp and getting cardinal estimate. All the bills, John what? Yeah. Other than that. For those kind of Hora moment if you like and start really do for me. I give me Sam Spade. Instead. I don't I'm not a fan of horror films, and I'm not a fan of jump scares. They don't like terrify me at my pants or anything like that. But I mean, it just from a story. I don't like typically that you know, they're coming in. Because if they don't do that, then you haven't built up the tension correctly. And it doesn't make any sense. But I'll give an example where I thought Curtis did a really good job. So for example, we know she's going to die because story purposes, then we get the cat which dispels that a little bit skull cap, but we still know she's going to die. It's just not going to the next shot. She's driving in the car. We're getting a lot of shots. It's dark the headlights aren't working very well. You know, she's on a winding road. I'm absolutely positively certain that she's gonna come around a corner, and he's going to be stare on front of her car and the car's gonna wreck or whatever it is. Beautifully set me up for that. I never expected him to reach your on the back and choke from behind on a shot. I was I was fully expecting the way that shot was done that it had led me into creature standing in the road kind of thing. And if you'll recall from the episode of the night stock with the black Knight we commented on that. Because when the guy's pulling into his driveway, you know, nothing until those lights pass in front of the night who's standing there and then kills him. And it was very effective. And I was I was completely expecting it here and just didn't get it. So I I give kudos to Curtis for achieving. What he was trying to do. I just don't particularly like that type of dull making I appreciate the the the craft. I guess that went into I agree. Let's see I also will comment to Dan Curtis. He does like to get out to different cities and show them off. Yeah. You know, the Monterrey area and San Francisco areas, very nice. I. He was moving to kotex stories around from city to city. So yeah. His another city never the same place twice ever the same place twice, which I guess you could was probably a lot easier to do when you're shooting. Schedule is only a couple of weeks back downstairs run-up to run up to Frisco and shoot this one. Okay. And if he if he wants to do that with this what he's a better premise for it. Because if this is a writer he's going to be able to go right guy. He's got he's got that kind of timescale way. He can go to where story is whereas if if culture is reporter in order to move in from city to city, basically has to run him out of town at the end of every film, which was getting tired by the end of. Well, I was going to say second movie as you probably getting taught by the end of the first movies. Well, you know, the first movie just the nights argument was just not shot. I just don't think it was shot with pilot mind. I think that was that was one done this guy had his one big story. And he got ruined over it. And that's it. He's done. Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. But an I didn't sitting there watching this. I didn't realize it wasn't shocked. I didn't realize it was shot with pilots in mind. So I do wanna say forgot on the jump scares the one that the part from can I said there was another one the one I didn't like was the hotel room sitting there, and she hears something the window and she slowly creeps over to the curtains lowly, slowly, there's no sound. We don't hear anything she pulls it back, and then the creatures there and jumps through. Why didn't he just break in and kill her? I mean, did he have to wait vertu make eye contact? I hang on a minute step. Even further about that. Why? Why is he that? Why is he? Followed her from a house, maybe didn't like. Remember, there's a scene at the beginning. Where basically she says she and court didn't along why? Yes. So court may have just like, ooh, there's one I want blood. I I don't know because court did let his wife go. He did. I mean, I also have a note asking the question because when we see that initials scene of Allen court going to the studio and being spooked by dogfather being spooked by something. And when she's there she sees her dead husband. We realize it's her husband. Right. So what we see is as on be ops up, and she gives him both bows with a shotgun seems perfectly reasonable. Well. He did just kill a dog to Don Johnson. I and he he slaughters the dog. Her husbands are dead husband. I and she doesn't hesitate. Not my we discover that when when she's being interviewed by Knowle's. But I guess she's someone sent doesn't appear to been to upset about the dog say maybe not the husband either. But. Would you really if if you do recent widow, in fact, and suddenly your loved one appeared again in front of you, even if you happened to be in a slightly jumpy famous mind and carrying double shotgun. Would you would you give him both barrels a very good question? I think I think taken as a whole again. I mean, she's the dog is okay. They need a better dog actor whose tail and wag quite so much. But given that the dog seems to be like really onto something. And then they go into the studio. It's dark. It's a stormy night. She's rightfully scared and whether or not she recognized her husband or not he did leap out at her and go. When you have aging. While yellow eyes and stuff. I know. I I would have thought the reaction would be. Yes, she scared. Yes. She's yes. She's expecting something nasty to happen. But what happens it should be? Oh, James, darling. Thank goodness. Your hair? I'm so scared and you're looking at it purple rather than bam. Bam. I if it weren't her husband and somebody if somebody leapt up rallied at me, and I was carrying a shotgun. And it was late at night. And there was nobody supposed to be on my property. Absolutely. I'd give them both. I would I would do that. I'm with you would okay now. But we have to add one of step the dog leaps on the guy. She doesn't give him both barrels. I she stops. And she watches as the dog leaps on him. And he snaps that dog in two and flings it across the room while still growling like a monster. I don't know at that point. I don't know. I think that would have been enough for me, no matter who it was to go. Yeah. No. I see your point. I do see your point. And if it's not her husband, what she did made absolute perfect sense. If it is or husband, I'm gonna go fifty fifty some people would some people wouldn't she does. More than fifty people would would actually say James, what's he doing something? I mean, I'm not necessarily saying she leaps into his form brace. But I think perhaps opening up some channel of dialogue before opting armed conflict built any. And there's another question was he gonna kill her was her way? She's just gonna blow them away. Well, he does kill the dot. I mean, he he does demonstrates the dog has just left it his throat. Yeah. Yeah. I I. Yeah. It's it's this is tough to evaluate. How you would behave a supernatural situation. If I saw somebody running at me with fangs dripping blood just killed somebody. I would probably try to give them both barrels. No matter who it was. But yeah, it's it's a tough one. The question is if the dog hadn't been there was he trying to scare her away. Would he have tried to communicate with her? He sorta did in the tunnels, right? When when he came across the. Couldn't speak, but he was clearly trying to say something to her. And and and then apparently left her we didn't actually see the result of that. He just left her. When it wasn't. It wasn't brilliantly executed, and it did make me wonder whether what he was trying to say, hey, kills Nick my ring or something which turned out to be the case, but the intention wasn't communicated especially clear between the scene itself. And I will I will say, yes. Your your point stance? He there is there is clearly within the story some residual recognition from James court of of Vallon, and therefore to come back to the question could have been after Marcham particular, well, maybe low why wouldn't he have just gone straight in the motel rather than wait. Wait and killer at the mansion killer at the mansion. Not even wait for someone to ten up matching just go to the motel or any other nearby building containing people with blood and empty one of them out. So that he could carry on with his modeling activities. It would've made more sense if the girl Millie had some connection to him. Yes, right. Killed Langdon connection. Killed Madame Shaquille. Had a connection killed the sister-in-law had a connection in Liker Milly seems to be a random a random target. Yes. But even tequila Langton yet wet looking connection. Right. They were killed because they're so it's not like he's looking for someone to kill at that point. Really only Millie the actually goes up looking to kill and Marsha right? Really needed. He needed the blood to start his clay. So he's got to find a body. And the implication here is at this place is pretty darn remote. Both the mansion and the I think even says a. Couple of times. How far even from the town. The mansion is so heck heck Vlada good money there in art for an artist who's presumably bought the house when he wasn't dead yet. I thought you had to be a dead artist before you got rich from from that stuff. But apparently not. Yeah. So, but yeah. So was he waiting for me to see him for tear or not Millie the sister Masha Moshe, I just Marcia Marcia, Marcia, I have no idea because the whole thing going out going off to have makes no sense. So dot point the question of whether he was why he was waiting outside the window rather, just rushing straight. So at his family Mina point seems to me I just feel kinda like that. Maybe also he would have just worked a little longer and finish the is on the previous night because it was only about what ten seconds worked to finish. The is there. Sunrises the sunrises. Could have been. I was just thinking, you know, the artists not wanting to spoil spoil the kind of resistance because there. Yeah. I do have to conduct the ceremony to with me grunting at him and bras delaying and whatnot. So. Anyway. All right. Let's see have. I got anything specific. We've got we've got to touch on given how much time we spent to about coal chats relationship with the police, except I'm it's not it's not polices. Share? Digit. It's the local on fourth enforce with the roses. That the way that Knowle's and him just seems to me so much better. And it's the same guy to you from a culture, it's the same share. I mean, it's not the same character actor. Oh, it didn't register that we had. So we had so many of them the original in the in the night stalker was clawed ache. And he's a longtime when Dan Curtis likes to come back to the same actress. In fact, I think the publisher was also in the night stalker. Possibly as one of the city officials. But I so he has he has a rep company like absolutely, basically. Absolutely. But lo lo he got quite heated Norris. Didn't there was nothing. There was nothing him to gain by rising to it. And so he didn't he was just completely cool about it. And in the seems where they were they was they was they still had strongly opposing viewpoints. But after after Norlisk is actu-. Really witnessed court himself. And he's in the sheriff sheriff's office, and the sheriff isn't isn't ready to believe him. But they are having a dialogue, and he doesn't completely dismiss him. And then when when he he describes what happened to Ellen so forth. The sheriff is he did that and says, yeah, he he did that. And the sheriff's right? All right. Let's go even though he later on says, okay? This is a wild goose chase. We're giving up on it. There is there is more mileage for Norlin. I mean, he gets more benefit from the way. He handles him then contract because he wouldn't have gotten that far coach, Jack he would just have insulted him the first opportunity and been dismissed all scatter. Okay. So a couple of rations I think that the sheriff there is there is unfortunately, this cast of the oath. This is fantastic. Weaned a clamp down on this which I don't like I mean, maybe it's a it's a holdover from a different era where you don't wanna panic the public or something. But how many times have we seem jaws and everything, but this is the crime that was she was crushed. Her blood was taken you don't hide that. Unless you think it'll help you catch the killer. But again, I think that is reasonably handled in the sense that it's explored through the discussion that takes place between the sheriff and the. Because the because the EMMY is saying exactly what you're saying. He's putting that point of view sheriffs having to defend his position he saying. Okay. I'm not asking you to fabricate Tennessee, and yet he says, well, see what I can do what did that? Ultimately mean what did what did he do? Did he write his report? And then like us really small fun to sit in the body was drained of all its quite understand. What what the result of that was except I kind of came out of that feeling. I was going to do something a little shady, but not super shaney to help the sheriff. Yeah. Yeah. But the default position of the sheriff that I don't like it same thing from from the original nights. Well, the original might starker kinda makes sense because in Las Vegas everyone's the mob. Yeah. In the whole city is based on that. So I kinda get it there. I don't get it from this guy. Just like, you know, something those are the conditions. The guys were blood was gone. We don't know what it means don't have evidence when we're the other not saying, it's goule vampire monster anything like that. It's just those are the those are the facts in the case. And yes, this Scherf does a better job of investigating when somebody shows him look rip the card or he may not believe it's the dead body of court. But something happened. Yes. We will go. We will go investigate. We'll send the troops. We'll go. I mean, I completely appreciate the sheriff a lot more in this except for that. We're going to hide this. And at least I can forgive him for saying. Okay. Well, let's not work on the assumption that it's the dead man's body. Reanimated walking around town. I mean, so and yes handles him much better. But in defensive culture hard to but indefens- of culture and its exchange. Don't give. If the police are wrong, and again, it really does come back to that fundamental principle of the first movie bright police, and even there the police aren't wrong, they know it's vampire, they're just covering it up. So it's, but if the police are following the wrong avenue of more people will die, and whereas maybe we can argue that they're not Warner should be reject objective and not worry about that. And just report on people being dead as a human being he should feel some he should feel some concern when the police are clearly doing the wrong thing. And I think that's where coal check gets up. And his will you'll be dumbed them when he into the cops might criticism of coach is in. What way does? Oh, you big dumb dumb actually change the cost making it does make coach feel better. Guess I got it doesn't it doesn't make the police to to job. And it certainly doesn't mean that culture is doing it. But I don't know that this made the police to a better job either. Well, I think if you don't push the issue if you just let it go on pretend it serves Knowle's a lot better because he because he actually maintains access to his to to the investigation or the official investigations. So he's dialogue going on within the law and order, folks. And because he can gather more information key is in a better position to stood. So so when he gets them when the car door gets ripped off Necas to go back that couldn't have done that if he hadn't kept on civil speaking terms with the sheriff, and yes, he he just he wouldn't he wouldn't have had the information that he had. So he wouldn't have known whether or not he was missing anything useful and more than likely. He would have been missing useful information. Even if the a role, even if they are acting. Through self interest, or whatever it doesn't necessarily mean. Cool dum-dum he did act a bit smug during his first interview with the sheriff, but forgive ably. So the sheriff was very much in his face. Yes. And the police interaction very different very different style. Again, you could make the argument that this is William Nolan and Dan Curtis looking at what was successful about coal. Check looking about what might not work long term. And somebody else wants to pay me to make that this is you could you could make this as version two of of the process, and I gathered since Dan Curtis and Darren mcgavin didn't get along well on the night strangler. That was probably why well part from fact that was fulfilling something for different network. But I mean it. There have been anything he could have channel that into culture movies. But but didn't. I I would have liked to have seen this to go series. I would've liked to see maybe ROY Innis, be a little more interesting. But. I take your point, you know, by laying low and being being very mellow, and passive he key gathers more information that he's moved more successful of getting in with people said of being a the squeaky wheel, and it's not necessarily as wearing some of some of the shout t police scenes in coach which is like fingers on a blackboard. This is more enjoyable performance to watch even if maybe it's laid back a bit too much times. So our couple of random questions then about the show. The first question is the wife is saying that she's planning on selling the mansion. Okay. Fair enough. It's great big huge gigantic creepy house. And you inherited it. Okay. That's fine. It's yours. Nobody's making money selling. What happens when a family crypt get sold with a house like that high wanted that? It's never Kirby because typically you don't have mansions in the United States that actually have a family gripped like, so this is this is the court family crypt. It's here on the property. I guess you inherited you purchase a crypt. When he by the house. Do you start putting your own people in it and rename it? Onset of the court crip, you kind of scratch over it Glover and then start putting your own family funereal educates. And we're there other courts in the in their if the house was only built in the prohibition era, which California house Bill tunnels added. Well, he was looking at the architectural diagrams if you were if you were making prohibition tunnels been. File paperwork. Come to think of it. My my secret tunnels checkout and city hall, if you need to know. The county planning office. I would have to be in that case. So that was an court did have quite the prominent position. They're in the middle of it. So I I again, I don't know what you do with crypt. When I received a crypt is like an vampire film where you get a crypt. And you've got people in the wall. And then maybe one person has the position of honor. If that's the right word in the middle sitting there, and I've never have figured out is that like the guy who built the crypt and everyone else is like an adjunct family member. Or is that the most recent dead person that sits there until the next one comes along, and they put them into walls. I I really don't know what happens with crafts. It's not a thing thing we do much anymore. But yeah, that was my thought so what do you do with the crypt? I'm going to sell. His house comes with gripped is that like a bonus on the Zillow listing. Also, where did get the human blood? And I assume it had to be human blood. He didn't actually say human blood. He said of blood circle. But oh, oh, yeah. He's flammable, blood, right? Yes. Yeah. How does that work? Was that what he's Sam St. experiment was was he finding making lead flammable. But I mean, I can think of wet making flammable, if he was dissolving in petrol, whatever that was surely the trick thinking lighter fluid. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah. Maybe kind of kind of thing I bought this. This is supposed to be some sort of many law or something, isn't it? Yes. So where did they get their flammable blood from? That's why I want to know. Well, you know, part of the reason that the medieval times are known as the dark ages is they couldn't actually banish the spirits because they didn't have the technology to make flaming blood. That died with the Romans the Romans, they do the flammable blood. But when they you know, when that fell that was that was the end of it. I. I don't know. The medieval period thought, it was flaming blood, and this isn't a gyp Shen more. Bring scoured. Yeah. So that one was a little. And I was trying to figure out what he was doing when it was in the when he was in the lab, but yeah, he had the flasks in a lot and the tubes and stuff, and he was measuring going it's supposed to be blood in. There is that red liquid blood or is he reconstituting blood because he was like a red powder to in one of them. And I just look into screen. What the heck is he doing it just didn't make any sense? And then he comes on look why will blunt on fire now, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna I'm not gonna do a blood leading to test out. And see if blood is flammable. But my thought is it's not thinking, it's not it's not maybe it's flammable in the presence of supernatural beings. You could test treat. Yeah. That could be what it is. Next question. Random stray thing. So this is in his corvette. And he's Zing it up the hill trying to get there before sunset, and there's that car that's in front of him. What was up with that car? Just just being. Being hosted it was he being obstinate. Okay. Now that was my questions like the way this is shot that guy is definitely blocking Norlisk from going around him. You must be some reason for it. Could it be the demons trying spirit world trying to stop him from getting there? I don't know. I sing it could guy could be drunk could be anything. We never really find out other than the New Orleans. Finally just goes around him and just killed a little time built a little tension. But built a little tension. That's all and and I do want to point on. I think I mentioned Robert Colbert the music. He's the guy who also did the music for night stalker night strangler. He did all the music for dark shadows. Dan Curtis once again, part of his entourage that that comes in there. I don't know if you noticed it. But there was an awful lot of that little piano thing. Kind of tinkling thing during some of the tents moments. I has to be lifted straight out of the night strangler soundtrack, it just feel so not the good music from the night stalker or the nights strangle. It was a little bit more jazzy at times. But the kind of dull the dull music from the nights Docker and last parallel again, we can put this down to Dan Curtis show ins titles begin to roll the rest of the cast names come up, and then the innocuous seen that the titles run over. And and suddenly we start getting all the clips of zombie attacking people you get three or four or five of those. And then finally the last one freeze frame full on face. And Nick Dimitri as Jim's court, and that's exactly what they did with night stalker. Exactly what they did with the night strangler both of those that appears to be how. Gang Curtis likes to credit his monsters at the end didn't know if you noticed that or you remember that from the original I hadn't hadn't been notes in this. But I haven't remembered it seems it seems like when they finished on the night stalker. And they freeze framed and said, Barry atwater as vampire, it seems like they either pull pushed in on his eyes or they brighten them or darkened the surrounding to the final frame going out with more the is. But it was the same. It was the same kind of just end on that. And then finished, so okay. I don't have anything else. Neither do I. I'll I'll send a copy this. When we air it over the guys at big finish. And see if they want to pick this one up and and run run with his show. They could recast it. Or not right. This is still around think has been doing just waiting to the coal to come back and play notice. I was when I was looking through that. And I was thinking about ROY Innis, and where he'd come out of the invaders, and I don't know why I I knew ROY Innis was the guy who was in the invaders I used to watch the invaders all the time, and I knew he was the guy in the X files, and I thought well invaders, you know, they're just hiring somebody who's been in show about space aliens. And then I got to thinking about it. And it's the whole premise of the invaders is that this guy ROY thinnest character was also named David David Vincent sees euphoria landing one night and finds out that these aliens are coming to earth to invade and they can take over people's bodies and impersonate them, and he spends the rest of his series travelling from town to trying to prove that they exist because they're so good at covering up. And that it's actually kind of funny that they picked him to be the alien in the X files. And it's like, I I think I missed that joke. The first time around, you know. When they had Darren mcgavin, come in as the the guy who created the X files. I got that one right away. It's like well there you go. Obvious. But. I didn't I didn't get the invaders reference in that way. Okay. That's nothing to do with this story. We have no more coal check spinoffs that I am aware of anywhere. So this we are this is this is it we're done. We're off to other stuff so Simon. Thank you for joining me for this. Journey through the night stalker and the nights Docker and the Norlisk tapes and. It's been it's been fun. It's been interesting looking at the show's all of them from with a with a different point of view. And I appreciate your time. And your thoughts on all of these shows pleasure. Let's there's I hope you'll join us all again next time on fusion patrol. You've been listening to fusion patrol a listener supported podcast find out how you can be sponsor and get early access to all episodes and more at patriot dot com slash fusion patrol. Come join the conversation on Facebook or Twitter. All episodes are available at fusion patrol dot com. Our music is fight the future by amber wolf. This has been a lone locus production. They're a zone bef-. I'd version of her husband tries to kill her. But she narrowly escapes the police, although taking the crime seriously, I'm going to read that because it's not the police. It's the sheriff and. Sheriffs. Please knee and says actually it's the sheriff's office in the shirts. It's not not police action police they well they're law enforcement, but they're not please it's like highway patrol or not police, but they're they're highway patrol. It's it's a subtle. It's a subtle distinction cities. Have police counties have sheriffs and the state has highway patrol. So there different levels of. Start that. Wow. Mind blown.
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"Welcome to win. World sport entertaining provocative. Look into the world of sports impianti. Please feel free to go. Over to rate and review your feedback is welcome maranatha. Now the host of the program. The washington dc metropolitan area deal wallet as sports. Some your the so glad that you could be with us so glad that you could be with us bo bo swamp issue. Jim wonder wallace windows. World is forced konishi. Wash alone wasn't lake lakenham k. Possibly amigos me. I'm a window. Wallace windows world is forced to hope you're doing well. I hope to do good lot of things to discuss today. In the world of sports talk about basketball finally after talking about football college and pro week after week after week and not talking about the election or anything like that now this entire podcast is going to be centered is going to be central fide on basketball. The nba starting up here against him. Look the at some recording this november thirteenth. So we're speaking about five weeks five and a half weeks before the start of the nba season to get into that. Draft is coming up not too much on the draft memo ball anthony edwards. Jane's weisman Billy having delved into that as much as i should it as much as i am comfortable with in terms of talking about who needs what who's going to wear and the rumors and everything like that within fell football going on with this kobe. Nineteen affecting all of the college football games has mainly been my focus. I really wanted to talk. I mean we. After week. I wanted to sit there one or two before. The expiration date wore off. Talk about you know. Doc rivers going to the philadelphia. Seventy sixers doc. Rivers being fired by the clippers Coaches that are being hired. That are being fired. All of those things that are willing to discuss but because of the football season really didn't get it opportunity so today on this podcast. That's exactly what i'm gonna be doing talking about what's going down in the nba. Talk about what's happening in college basketball. It's all a game last night. High school game was an exhibition. Game between watching the tennessee. Titans in the indianapolis colts at halftime and during some of the commercials. I flipped over to of the espn stations. I saw a high school. The bishop game between the number one. Right who've stirring the senior class in high school versus the number one ranked junior Ball player in high school. You money bates junior about to be the greatest or the most talented recruit the most sought after recruit the most highly respected recruits is. Lebron james was doing thing over down in akron chant holdren. I've had the opportunity to watch him play. He was out here playing in vegas last summer. the you're a basketball tournament so i had an opportunity to go on down to a bishop gorman high school in check him out because one of the teams promoted the team's been interested in hogan in the feeling is mutual is jordan so anytime i get an opportunity georgetown recruiter. Even if the chances of getting him are slim. I wanted to go ahead and take a look and see how we played in person so i was watching that game thoughts feelings about that and i have my thoughts and feelings about the upcoming season for georgetown. Manage mr guys. I cannot wait for november. Twenty fifth win their first game is upon some those are some of the things. Those are the things that we're gonna be talking about today for windows world of sports. The podcast was yours truly when the wall. So as i mentioned before you'd be a seat that's going to begin on december. Twenty second is going to be a seventy. Two games schedule of. There was a lot of talk. There was a lot of chatter during the negotiation or during the discussion points between the league and the players about exactly when they were going to be able to play the start season. The owners wanted november december. Twenty second the players will martin luther king day. The junior national holiday on january nineteenth the deciding factor on the league coming to the agreement that they would be playing on december. Twenty second was new betted money money money money money league if it started on the january nineteenth king. Junior's holiday you talking about the league losing anywhere from five hundred million to a billion dollars. They waited that long. Start the start. The association the beat i which is the basketball revenue income. That's a fifty fifty split between the owners and the player so if the owners are losing money guess what the players are going to be. Losing money to the players were like yeah. Let's how much money are we going to be. Losing how much revenue was going to be close to a billion dollars. So chris paul at michelle robertson. Michelle roberts look. Lebron james and lebron james looked at all the guys who are representing their teams in turn to the players are concerned and said yeah. We'll start november. We'll start december twenty seven. We ll go ahead and do that. Because the pandemic still prevalent still a bogus. And it's going to be getting worse before it gets better. I know fighter came out with this vaccine ninety percent complete and all those types of things but for the most part you can take a look for the near future that the nba is going to be playing games an empty arenas without a defense. So that's another revenue stream that is going to be lost so the league lost about one point. Five billion last season in revenue. So somehow some way they're gonna have to catch that up and playing seventy two games it's going to be interesting is not the full lady to for the tv contractor for everything. They have to go ahead and get the thing. Done the reason why the league wants to start on december twenty second rather than the martin. Luther king ginger holiday in mid-january is the lifted. Want to extend the season to the summer. If you remember last season the ratings were good and you have the upcoming summer olympics. That would be problematic for the league. Fiba the players were speaking about you know if the summer olympics with burghley be which are going to be happening later on this summer is going to be interfering with the nba if the nba is going to be going ahead and doing this. Then you you wanna get this season over with a soon as possible so you have. December january february march. April may june july or june normally when the seasons. And then you'll have time for the players want to play in the olympics. Hopefully that'll be players like steph curry. I don't know if lebron's going gonna want to go ahead and do that at thirty six years old. I i hope that the the united states. I'm sorry now. you racist. Ignorance selfish states of america after the preceding elections. Now that's the new moniker for this country. I hope that the some of the players can go ahead and help. Great popovich earn that gold medal. be players like kawhi leonard. Wb players like anthony davis that would be players like steph curry that would be players like James harden so we'll see. We'll see what's going to be happening. But the league going into a belief starting in january it would blend into the summer olympics and not just with the racist selfish states of america that the citizens here the players hear you know would be Would be questioned in terms of whether they were player also speaking about players from other countries who are going to be playing representing their countries in there in the olympic. So this could affect somebody like luka doncic this could affect somebody like in yellows identity kubo this could affect somebody like in the colo yokich all of these guys who take great pride in playing for their country. Now they are coming to a crossroads. So do you go ahead. And you play in the olympics in forgo playing for a championship or forego playing the rest of the season with the team with the franchise with the employer employing you paying you a paycheck or do you go ahead and play for your for your country in the olympics if you're one of these players who are from playing overseas so those are the things that also the nba. taking a look at it would just. It just felt weird. Didn't it didn't feel weird last season. I'm up here watching the nba finals for the first time in a long time. Maybe i guess since nineteen ninety five when the houston rockets blew out the orlando magic. This is the first time. Since then that i really wasn't into the nba finals. The eat playing the lakers. Yeah no brand broncos force for for the championship. Anthony davis trying to get the first championship the whole deal about heat cultured and pat riley going up against lebron james and the rivalry between those two guys. When lebron left the miami heat and pat riley still stinging about that. Lebron james still butthurt about that the way that was all we all went down and the way that was treated so you had plenty of story. Lines of interest in. The finals were happening in june and they were playing at miami plenty to staples center but miami arena the staples center. Yeah the full of like ninety percent capacity going nuts on either. Yes the game. The interest would be a lot higher and if it happened. June but you had some games going on when you had. Nfl action happening. I can't i. Can't i can't sway mind my viewing pleasure from the nfl to the nba. In october or in september a key do that's when the when the nfl is you know. king go ahead and do that. So you'll be a learned is less than terms of. We're not going to. We're not gonna try this again. I always thought at the beginning before the pandemic it. I always thought this for years that the association that the nba. She started season christmas day. And you're speaking about what a seven eighth but right now was tober. November december january february march april may june right so we're talking about the nba finals being over in june. Let's say for instance it starts. The nba season starts closer to november november december january february march. April may june so we have eight months so eight most the regular season to six months. So if you're speaking about starting the league. On christmas day you have january. February march april may june july august. So with that schedule if the finals. We're gonna be over in august. I think for the league. I would much rather have it. Go against majorly baseball than again. Football because the season for the association always starts off. You know you have their first week high into the patient who he hit high. You know you get the free preview of the nba elite pass that you go ahead and indulge and watching. All the basketball you came for free you do that for about a week. And then maybe after seven genes the interest in the nba wings. Because you're so into the nfl. You're still still went to college football that you don't want me during the week. It's not the watch. The tnt games on thursday night. It's nice to watch espn on wednesday night and friday night but for the most part you're in you're in nfl college football moon especially if you're talking about november december now the regular season gaining the nfl never really meaningless but just starting to get a better picture of who's going to be doing what who has a great team who has a chance to win. The super bowl players are doing what the the the opinions about the team the players and the chances they become a lot more clear. So you have that to deal with that. I mentioned before was december january. Hit when the playoffs start happening in the nfl you're not paying attention to the nba. So by the time the season's over in february for the nfl and you get your attention back to the nba again. I mean we're already. What thirty something games of the season. The seasons almost halfway over so for me. I would much rather start the season in december or like. I mentioned before on christmas day and then only deal with the nba for one month. Which is the playoffs. And then move in from there. You wanna deal with college basketball. Who cares if you want to deal with baseball. All right but it would be much better for me. I would think if they avoid football as much as they could but the league is like now. We tried that. We try to summer it work. I think that if the ethic it will take initially take a hit in terms of just something new just something that fans. Nba fans need to get used to. But why couldn't you save for instance. I know the baseball hot dogs apple pie. Chevrolet july fourth independence day for some you have in this country in baseball polka represented that i mean what better than to celebrate. The birth of our nation as independent nation from britain didn't have america's game which was created here with the first sport here with the most below sport for awhile here if you discount boxing in horse racing. But you know i say why not the. Nba would have another day in terms of what they can do to celebrate the league and celebrate this country christmas day. Which is all to themselves. Martin luther king day they have a big brouhaha for that so why not start the season late december and then you can go in and have it in july. Maybe have something for july fourth. Whether it'd be with during the time might be the playoff. The regular season would probably be over at that time. But why not have some important. Nba playoff games on july fourth. So those those did might thinking. But i don't know man i don't have the data. I don't have anything like that. But for this season they're going to start the the nba on december. Twenty second instead of christmas day december twenty fifth really people are sitting there talking about. Or why are you starting this season on the twenty second of december in that christmas day. Well obviously it's money money money money money. Tv contracts tnt is contracted have opening night. Ring night they are the ones that get that in. Abc begin have the contractual rights to program. The games on christmas day so tnt giving opening night and a ring ceremony night in espn a given up per sharing the christmas day. Bonanza what you stick seventeenth six or seven games on that day with nothing else around to well call a counter program that so that's that's also one of the reasons i don't know man i'm this is this is all new to me. Twenty twenty fucking crazy man fucking crazy so the the starting the season on the twenty second. I know some players have problems with the season starting so tune so soon you talk about no time for proper rest to recover the time between october eleventh. Which was the last game of the twenty twenty. Nba finals for the lakers willing their championship over the miami heat in six games lebron's winning. Its fourth anthony davis winning his first calculus Willingness i more importantly alice caruso when he gets i the start of training camp would be somewhere like around december first. So you're talking about the last game of the season being october leveled in the start of the training camps on december first. That's only a arrested. Recover for the heat in the lakers. Fifty one days. And you're talking about the miami and la lakers being in a bubble on campus situation. For ninety five fucking days three monks they were down there now. I know do luxury to luxurious conditions in hotel suite to yale. Boy how rough how tough. I know those guys a bit number fighting. The war in the gulf war is going. Well how do those guys ever make it through. Gadget did multiple multiple ships in iran in iraq. And everything. oh my goodness how are they surviving. You spend three and a half months or you spend over three months away from family and then conditions like that you know. I'm i'm not saying that you know. Those guys need to have their faces carved on the side of a mountain name of city after him but it was a pretty big deal for those guys to do that. And then the also at t like the boston celtics. Denver nuggets in the clippers in toronto raptors. They were in that situation if not for three months three months away for the family of the routines and everything so again. I'm not saying that they need to you. Know they need to be bowed down and give the medal of honor. But i think that was a pretty arduous task for those guys to do. So if you take a look at a rest and recovery period for those guys are a lot of those guys anywhere between fifty one. you know. Sixty two sixty three days. Last year off season comparison. The season ended on june thirteenth. That was the last game of the nba finals. Toronto over the golden state warriors so from june thirteenth to start at the training camps in september that was one hundred seven days so the two teams that played the most had double the amount of time to rest and recover the two teams that played the most and won the championship and for championship. This past off season this past season. So i can understand for some who went through that the of celtics and the denver nuggets and toronto raptors stuff to sit there and be like well damn this is like an unfair competitive advantage. The teams that didn't play when the season resumed or played in the bubble forty eight regular season games. Basically was a mini camp. And they got the hell out of their teams like the phoenix suns who really improve their stock by going eight. No devon booker introduced himself as a potential superstar. The memphis grizzlies new orleans. Pelicans the washington wizards in the sacramento kings. Those guys almost like a mini training camp many. Oh ta to go ahead and do some things. Like for instance with my wizards bradley build it in attendance mothers but still the fact that really had to more got some run the fact that troy brown junior got to run guts experienced. But it's almost like a quasi similarly for those guys and then you have teams like the golden state warriors the chicago bulls the new york knicks charlotte hornets. Yeah those type of team. They haven't played in almost nine months. And look chicago's gonna stink allowed. The knicks are the knicks charlotte charlotte hornets. Yeah okay so what kind of competitive advantage. They have to because they haven't played that long teams like the atlanta hawks. All of a sudden not. now we're going to be fighting the scratch and claw for an nba championship. Because they didn't play in almost what over two hundred days. Since the last outing on the basketball court an arena in march. No but i take a look at a team like the golden state warriors in should faulk. If i'm the lakers. If i'm the clippers above the utah jazz houston rockets especially with all the horrible. They're going through right now. If i take a look those western conference teams who are above average you know our western conference contenders at take a look. Then you really give the golden state warriors that time off a team that had gone to five consecutive. Nba finals one three. The warrior tend to play his march. So basically you take a look though five trips to the nba finals compared to the other teams in the league. They play the probably. What an extra what we're speaking about here. Sixty sixty five seventy games. Depending upon the amount of time the games they played each series so we're speaking about golden state and for everything shut down in march compared to the other teams in the league. They played almost like an extra season. And then you have klay thompson coming back from an eighteen wheel matere. He hasn't played the game since june of twenty nineteen once again after tearing his in the finals. Toronto you have steph. Curry played one game since october. Thirtieth of last year after breaking his hand against the phoenix sony king. Back for one game march fifteenth against the toronto raptors. The laws were scored twenty three point seven assists rebounds draymond green. He probably now refreshed. The guy who plays bigger than his size has more responsibility for banging and everything that he's responsible for on the defensive end. He's thirty years old reaching thirty now. He only played in forty three games in his lowest rebounding. Numbers says the second year in the league the lowest assist average since the third year in the lead. Quite sure he's refreshed. He's ready to rip roaring. Let it go and on the we're gonna ever see the draymond. Green that at one time probably was considered. I would say anywhere between number nine number fourteen best player in the nba. But still you can't tell me that the wear and tear on draymond green of what he had to do. As far as deep as terms of the begging in terms of the type of player he had to guard the versatility that he he showed in again. Playing all of those games. Xtra games in the playoffs. You can't tell me the fact that he had played since march is something that's going to be a detriment. We don't know that for sure. But i'm going to guess that is going to be no so the raptors. Excuse me so the so. The golden state warriors are team that we're going to be looking at saying you know which way what were we going to go with the season metal. Know if there's anybody in the history of the nba. Maybe the miami heat after they won the championship shark dwayne wade and those guys and after winning a championship with which was checked forth thought that this was a way for him to distance himself. Koby bryant basically took the summer off and came back out of shape and didn't play. I think the miami heat from winning two championships with being to being one of the worst teams in the league of with the same situation with the golden state warriors now. Golden state didn't win a championship. They lost in six games to the toronto raptors. But after everything that went down concerning kevin durant tearing his acl missing the entire season. Going over to the brooklyn nets the injury that happened to steph curry. Basically knocking him out for the high majority of the season. You had klay thompson not playing at all. Because of the acl ter- you had guide like demarcus cousins who didn't Because of injury really didn't perform up to the capabilities responsibility that golden state woolen them too so he was going. You had guys like shaun. livingston retired. Had guys like andrei dollar moving on. Read these players. Who were the core of the mini dynasty. Which was the golden state warriors going to five nba championships in the row. All of a sudden. I be there so now you have golden state bringing up players and putting players like alex burke and eric pascal and all these other guys who've never heard of and because of that they got drummed they got drilled a regular basis kevon. Looney the only other guy who stepped on the floor for the warriors the past season who had championship experience was nothing more than a role player. When you know the team that was surrounding him with durant in scurry thompson in green. So this wasn't a guy who was going to elevate his game enough to save the warrior from the season that they wanna have if all of those players were not going to be Available to those guys. So kevin durant andrea with dollar david west. Devel- mcgee shaun livingston. They're not walking through that door folks to walk through that door. They're either going to visitors locker room or they're in street clothes going to be buying a ticket to watch the games so with the warriors moving forward be interesting. Are they going to go ahead. Sign a veteran with playoff experience and free agency now rumor. Has it been reports. That golden state has some interest in jeremy lin. Dwight howard paul millsap golden state golden draft the player they have the number two pick in the draft but will that significantly helped the warriors chances of winning to season next or speaking about the ages of their core players. They will need somebody who's going to be available and get ready to roar to go. We'll have them when championships in three or four years but warriors will jacob blake at their owner their step. They're wanting to win a title now to maximize the players still in their prime right now. So drafty potential draftees. Top three picks that are expected to go in this nba draft such as edwards from georgia. Mellow ball played over an australian. James wiseman who played about three games for memphis before the ncaa came down on him because of improper dealings with the with memphis in him and he decided and says screw it. I'm going to go ahead and just drop out and prepare myself for the nba. So there's not too much film on him. So what did the warriors do the warriors just gonna draft. Willie those guided visiting the chad ford and some others that the warriors are going to draft anybody it would probably be changed weisman the center seven foot one great athleticism. He's being compared to diori jordan. Deondraye jordan was a second round. Pick number thirty five out of texas. A&m gonna try to tell me the number two pick in the nba draft. His ceiling is d andre jordan. That's it because of that. Lettuces them because of the defensive capabilities because of his ability to protect the rim of the defensive end. I mean the andrew jordan. I mean is he at least going to have a little bit better of an offensive game going to able to hit free throws with a little bit more consistency than a jordan. So i don't know. I mean the warriors could use a rim protector of course but The best you can gotland james weisman. The better james wiseman is going to be deondraye jordan. What exactly is that going to be happening. We're talking about three years from now four years from now again. We don't have any tape on this guy. We have very little tape on this guy. The one time. I did see james. Wideman play for memphis last season against halfway decent team able to neutral site team. I forgot it was all right. He was pretty good but he wasn't. Anything where man with this guy goes into the league. Next year is going to be an impact player that were golden state is looking for impact in terms of having them when now not impact of them coming into saving the core of the team. This is a name. Tim duncan being drafted by san antonio the same the legacy of david robinson. This isn't dwayne wade. A saving the legacy of shaquille o'neal carry in that big man to a championship fourth. This is someone where you just want a really good role player who can fit the weakness that the warriors have which is basically rim protection. It as wiseman ready to do that for the warriors. I don't think the warriors are no. I don't think we know. I don't think you know but If the warriors are going to keep that pick that who. They're going to be drafting from all actuality from everything that i've been reading hearing in listening to so then it'll be interesting. That'll be interesting. Who knows you have a situation where you draft. Wiseman you play him. He is a guy who showed that he has some talent for the future. He showed that potential. And maybe a team like say. I don't know the washington wizards who are sitting there. You know you know fifteen games. Seventeen games in the first place at bradley beal starts chirpin about you know what. I'm really not interested enough staying here and playing with the wizards. Well you know. That's a chip that the woods in the warriors have in terms of. We're looking to get better for the future bradley. Beal is thirty years old or he's close to thirty years old and these now part of our future long-term you give a james weizman in a couple of futures and something else then. Maybe we can talk. Then maybe that's a situation of golden state runs into a lot of championships are won with in-season acquisitions trade deadline acquisition picking up the picking up a player from the waiver type acquisitions. Nothing bradley beal is going to be that guy. But that's normally what happened so you take a look at the golden state warriors chances for the twenty twenty twenty twenty one season. What do you think where we going here. Ring russia vs rest. I guess we're going to have to ask the question. How well's klay thompson going to play after missing time because of the injury in the pandemic what's going to be happening with draymond green after seeing after him having disappointing season. I'll be now starting to see the decline in his skilled. That mentioned much Was i mentioned before thirty. But i think he's an older thirty most and be a player who are thirty. How much of the young. How about this. How much of the younger talent that played a lot. Last season and contributed. How much are they gonna be able to carry that over. So maybe someone like damian lee or eric pascal or a crystal. They picked up trade deadline. Andrew wiggins traded for the angelo russell was traded to the golden state warriors. Four de ngelo russell. Those guys got some time yet. They were getting blown out. But you know what they're getting some experience there against quality time. Now guys like glen robinson. The thirty no longer with the team these with the the philadelphia seventy sixers. You have someone. Like and alex burks who also showed pretty well. They're the end of the season for golden state. He's no longer with the team. But eric pascal the rookie last year from villanova. You had damian. lee. Markey's chris behind high pick for washington years ago who's trying to changes changes the trajectory of his career after being a bust with the phoenix suns of being a bus with the houston rockets. Going over now to san antonio andrew wiggins probably the biggest wildcard of them all a guy who has been a major disappointment. Begin the nba. Being a number one draft pick. This kid was in high school. At huntington prep down in west virginia due to clip of him going off and dunkin over everybody and have a lebron james. It maryland stands going. Ooh everybody thought that andrew wiggins was gonna be the guy with the possibility of taking the torch from the bronx and being one of the players. Who we're gonna be the faces of the league. That's how athletic. That's how talented. He was so far he has been a major disappointment. Now i what leads to people think. How leads people to think that this is the reason why he's been so disappointing. It because the the bad business at the timber that the minnesota timberwolves had had giving him a huge contract extension if andrew wiggins on a decent contract. He hasn't been awful. He hasn't been michael bennett. He had been dragged bender. He hasn't been wesley johnson bad. He hasn't been jimmer for debt band. He hasn't been who govern goes out a morrison Alex morrison morrison alanon. John morrison and the doors. I dunno Morrison and the wwe but Oh shit the guy. I forgot his name anyway. Moving on by basically thing is that he hasn't been that ten of a bust but when you please. The expectations are what andrew wiggins was to post the be and you match it with the production that he's had so far in this league bit disappointing but he has not been a total incomplete bust but the guy has tremendous tremendous athleticism. He's still young. Very one dimensional eastern suit necas score not the anything else. But being a role player with the golden state warriors. They keep him. How big is he going to be able to contribute to the warriors back to being one of the one of the teams that could beat for an nba championship. We will see. We will see because have favorites in the western conference. This season like the lakers and the clippers and denver and dallas. And we don't know what utah's gonna be so it'll be it'll be it'll be something to watch you know. I wonder how the off seen the the shortened offseason. it go into effect. Teams like the lakers clippers. You thought that you were pulling your hair out. Newer upset about a load management and players missing games and seizes. Before if you're speaking about the lakers if you're speaking about the clippers with a thirty six year old lebron james with an often injury. Prone anthony davis and with the clippers with paul george and especially with kawai leonard. Who's been load managing his career for the last three or four years. Now probably about three years you think is going to be playing seventy two games. You think lebron's going to be playing seventy two games. You think ada. Paul george are gonna get anywhere near seventy two games. If i'm the brawn james. I'm like yeah. You know what. I'll go ahead and play opening night where i get my ring. I'll go ahead and play christmas day because of the importance in after that you will see me. Probably until february. I'll come back for one game. A martin luther king junior day then again and then you will see me again until the middle of february or the beginning february lebron. That's exactly what i'm doing. I'm anthony davis. I'm not putting no damn seventy two games probably not even playing sixty two games if i'm the laker brass. I don't wanna play that. Many games to begin with the ball the fact that i'm like work one hundred trillion billions gazillion dollars and maybe can afford the fact that quite learn at my breakdown early. Not fulfill the entire contract resigned with the clippers or if the extent with the clippers. I'm playing. i'm not having that may play Seventy two games quite limited next year is going to be playing about fifty fifty two games. You think he's going to be doing any back to backs. I don't think so. Paul george get close to playing seventy two games. He play sixty sixty one. Sixty two at the most. So how does that come. Into a factor with someone like the golden state warriors. Who after this long layoff steph. Curry should have no problem. Playing seventy two games clayton johnson baby nursing his knee back from that knee injury. He should be closer to playing seventy two games than the other important players on those elite championship. Type squad that. I mentioned at least talent level when you're speaking about the true nba champion. Los angeles lakers than the talent laden potential nba champions based on paper in talent. Boss ageless clippers. So it'll be interesting. Well the golden state warriors be the number one number two cd based on the fact that the teams that are elite in the league in play deep into the season last year are conceding the regular season. Why would the lakers give a damn about what position they are in. The playoffs will a playoff roll around. If the seasons really does seventy two games first of all we don't even know what the season is over for players. We don't even know where we're going to be in this society. We don't know where we're gonna be with this virus on what exactly we're going to do. Are we going to have to go to another bubble when the playoff starts. Are we going to have been playing games in empty. Arenas are we going to be in the position when the playoffs start that we can't have fans back. Are we going to be in a position to where for instance will be playing in their arenas in the team's arenas in front of fifteen percent capacity twenty percent capacity. We don't know we don't know they're going to be seventy two games. Does the seasons postponed again or the seasonal moved again. I think god forbid. There's a huge outbreak at the mentioned before with the olympic and everything going up in football. Starting in the fall of everything. I think for instance god forbid something happens in march two where the league had to shut down again. It's not coming back in july. It's not coming back in august the finish the schedule. They're just going to be like screw it. we're done. that's it so be speaking about the impact that the golden state warriors are going to have in terms of their players getting arrest in coming back. Strong compared to lakers defending nba champions. The main stars being lebron james and anthony davis who are no longer at the point of their careers where they need to play seventy two games or were they need to give a damn about the regular season. When you have a squad. The los angeles clippers who are still talented. It's still have one of the best players in the league and quiet leonard but yet a guy who has shown that you know what load management is going to be the key to success in the regular season in turn the regular when i'm talking about the regular pattern of the season that Quiet play entire eighty two games. You kidding me. Get close to playing seventy two games anymore. What does that mean moving forward. That's what we're gonna be finding out. Starting december twenty second and even between now and december twenty second the draft agency such. What's to be happening with. Teams like the utah jazz. What's going to be happening with. Teams like lot angeles clippers. Who are rumored to be interested in a russell. Westbrook type player or james harden If the thing implodes what about san antonio demar derozan lamarcus aldridge. There's been rumors and talk. And i'll be talking about this a little bit later on in the podcast. Where there's discussions with the lakers. That the lakers and spurs could trade. For demar rosen happens giving the later the quote unquote big three. I guess whatever three that how you define it. But what does that mean moving forward. If that happens are the san antonio spurs gonna be sellers. Can utah still work with the relationship of mitchell in ruby gilbert. That's still that's still hasn't been resolved in terms of. Yeah they might sit there and say he ever good. We're good we're good but are they really good. I don't know i don't know so. We'll see moving forward in go bears for contract extension so and you have to pay donovan mitchell. Am you're you're in a small market so all of the things are gonna come into play. But december twenty second ready or not. Here i come the nba season started. Get ready because of your fan. The league the interest excitement of the On clay steph bradley. beal john wall returning. We don't know exactly. What were the toronto raptors going to be playing this year. There was talk about the raptors playing somewhere in the us because of the covid restrictions between the united states. The racist selfish divided states of america in canada. So we don't know where toronto is going to be playing next year. How a team that. I think mentally one of the toughest toughest team in the nba. So we'll see man new happenings. New coaches in different locations will about zion williamson. I mean what is he going to be. Showing the season due continued. Arise the superstardom for luka doncic after he took his game to another level after coming back when the season resumed down in orlando with the milwaukee bucks with young people. How much of the discussion. That's going to be going out going through the season with him becoming up a free agent very soon. So how that going to be working whether the milwaukee bucks committee doing to try to rebound from the disappointment of losing in the second round to the miami heat all of these things. I'm gonna be intrigued with all the things that i'm gonna be interested in seventy two games. December twenty second as i mentioned before ready or not. The nba is coming won the world of sports. I'm your host wonder wallace so glad could be with us. La things going down today speaking about what's happening in the nba or hope. Everybody's doing well. We'll everybody's doing fantastic hope. Everybody's doing what they need to do to educate the younger generation so they can move this country so they can move society so they can move this world in a positive place when long gone and i'm up and having reunited with my parents reunited. Feel so good. Mike and listen to the lectures of malcolm x one. I can listen to the music of otis redding and sam cooke and james brown donny. Hathaway when i can watch such great players as johnny united throw the football up there in heaven and do all those type of things. I hope that The world i leave whether it be later on today or five decades from now will be a better place than it is took the first step in getting the fucking asshole that we have currently in the white house getting that piece of shit out of there but the fact that over seventy million people voted for a racist misogynistic narcissistic piece of shit. This shows once again why referred to this country not as the united states two hundred plus years that this country has been over two hundred years in fact this country never been united so always been divided there's always been dealing with racism and misogyny and oppression and other type of thing so the divided races ignorant states of america. That's what i'm calling but hopefully we can move in the right direction. When does roll the sports on your host wonderwall so glad that you could be with us now in my beautiful town home here on the west side of las vegas nevada. As i'm doing this podcast have on game. Six april twenty fourth nineteen sixty three the nba championship between the boston. Celtics in the los angeles lakers tommy. Heinsohn and casey jones and sam jones satch sanders and bill. Russell going Rudy larussa and jerry west and elgin baylor and dick dick barnett. None of those guys so on youtube. If anybody's interested the only reason why usually watch these type of games. While i'm doing these podcasts. It's number one. That's the only time i'm gonna watch it. I'm not much free time going to be spending two hours watching An nba basketball game from nineteen sixty three for educational purposes. I wanna see how. Jerry westwood's i wanna see how good bill russell was. I wanted to see how good tommy heinsohn was. I wanna see how good of a coach radar back was. I will see how good of a player elgin baylor was elgin. Baylor was the godfather. Was the grandfather. Show you say a players. Like michael jordan. And kobe bryant. And all these high flyer dominique wilkins and these guys. I mean i guess you could say that elgin baylor was the first person who brought black basketball until the nba in terms of how he played with the one on one situation. My hey time and everything like that. So that's really gonna look because you can't find too many old. Nba basketball games on so old. One is to see how these guys were. One thing. I will say people always talk about the. Nba is all three point shooting. Everybody standing around and everybody goes wallow one not like the good old days. Well i will say this that watching this game on right now onto the third quarter with the celtics leading. Oh by the way spoiler. Alert via celtics. Win this game It is true that these guy do move. I mean they pass a move and they cut and everything but elgin baylor does hold onto the ball looking to go one on one. I will say that you know a bill russell. When you get the ball in the post cutting action and there's a movement on the weak side and everything but he does hold onto the ball but what still amazing just how law the players compared to today's game and the and the court hasn't changed for the size of the players. I mean these guys are so small and these guys are playing like sitting offense like seventeen feet away from the basket. He can't do that in today's game scheduled to big these guys to let these guys go the place to well for these guys to be setting up running. Plays doing these types of things within the space that you see these guys doing it back in nineteen sixty three and the fact the fact that the size of the court hasn't changed. I mean no wonder you see so many players stepping on the bounds and you know no wonder the players shooting three point shots understand that analytics is coming into where the more threes to shoot Shooting a three shooting three three point nine point shooting three pointers at six points. Eight do the math. But i think also was ellen the sesame Due to the fact that the court is damn small. You can't run the type of office. That the celtics and lakers back here running because again man is just a the players just too damn big so this is enjoyable game to watch but You know the fact that Guys back in these days now not even close not even close in the skill set. As far as today's games concerned these players are much much much more skill jerry. Weston jerry. West his His his jumper is pure line drive but is a balanced off the dribble to go into a jump. Shot is awesome. Baylor with jeff depp in his moves and everything or are cool and russell on the defensive been not blocking the ball i can see now are are back was talking about historians talking about where bill russell swatted the ball out of bounds. He just tapped it. Which you know seeing the game than watching now and all the things are interesting the ball movement and everything but today's game i I have no complaints about that. One too many threes. Y'all do they stand around a little bit too much yet but some of that is just because of the players today size and their strength their length and the athleticism so there you go when world sports. I'm your host wonder wallace so glad that you could be with us. It'd be off news in notes with the season starting in about five five and a half weeks. What in the holy scooby. Dooby is going on with the houston rockets. Dealing with all the drama wonder joel moray in might make the antoni was like ever good or out of here according to Shops rania of the athletic stadium. Russell westbrook is hoping to move on this off season. This was also reported by Hausky laughed this past wednesday. The westbrook james harden has shared their concerns about the direction of the franchise other new head. Coach stephen silence. So the paul silas newly promoted general manager raphael stone. Though this is according to the athletic westbrook head inform team officials. Ready had an uneasy that he had been uneasy about. The team's accountability and culture in has a desire to return to a prior floor. General rule days in oklahoma city in which oklahoma city said. No in which sam prestigious said. No that is not happening. But thirty-one-year-old westbrook studios has three years one hundred and thirty two point five million dollars with meaning contract. You think oh loma city and really interested in bringing that contract back a team right now that we building now. I don't think so i don't think so you remember. The rockets require acquired him from oklahoma city in a trade. Which they said chris paul to throw first round picks and another draft consideration to the to the thunder so no the oklahoma city. Thunder spoke the impressed. I spoke with anybody in the In the organization. So i don't have any insider information in terms of their thoughts and feelings about bringing back russell westbrook if it was if it was possible but i i can't see i can see it all so no way ahead head of this offseason. Trade rumors have been flowing concerning westbrook one season russell one season in you going over there because james harden has been your boy your homeboys since early childhood and everything and you know y'all we're going to be like peanut butter and jelly. Y'all we're going to be like peaches her. Y'all gonna be like levi stubbs in lawrence payton junior. Y'all gonna be the best of friends. I mean you know after one season you already like now. Good him time for me to move on. Kevin o'connor of the wringer reported that the los angeles clippers in the new york knicks or interested in russell. Westbrook now the los angeles clippers. I get the new york knicks. I have no fucking idea why they would wanna bring in russell westbrook now. This is from. Dan feldman a pro pro basketball talk. He said that i had. I did have multiple sources that are trust. Tell me that teams believe russell. Westbrook could be had that westbrook could be had in. I've heard the clippers have interest. I've heard the knicks have interested in westbrook and whether anything materializes there who knows but the fact is that there is a belief that a guy like westbrook could become available again. The man has three years one hundred and thirty two million dollars left on his soon to be thirty two year. Old self clippers. I get clippers are ready to win a championship right now. Steve bommer hasn't believed the by planets. Let alone you know making up for the money and paying the luxury tax on the type of stuff in the nba. But i russell westbrook out. I don't know if you wanna go there with him. If other than the lakers clippers. As i mentioned before two team trying to win a championship with your the miami heat would you bring in russell westbrook knowing that the rockets effort. Either duncan duncan robinson. Tyler hero bam on the by you. One of those guys from draft picks with the with the miami heat have interest. I'm just thinking of teams that are looking to win a championship now. I couldn't understand a team like the charlotte hornets or the phoenix suns or the new york knicks or the oklahoma city thunder. Some of the teams. That have been rumored that'd be possibility. Landing be possible landing spots for westbrook if he decides if the rockets do decided to trade for him. I can't see any reason. Why one of those teams that are rebuilding or not looking a championship or not in a position the when a championship. I don't know why you would. You would go with russell. Westbrook a up that contract three years one hundred thirty two million dollars went to charlotte charlotte hornets going to deal with that. Contract with the orlando magic going to do with that contract baby team. I read a story. Where you know. The milwaukee bucks they have the assets they have the situation where they could pull it off involving someone like eric. Bledsoe baby Dante even kenzo in a deal trying to match up some some contracts to match the contract that westbrook had. So you're the milwaukee bucks and you want to be you want to show a gallison kupu that these really really serious about trying to win a championship players alone. Forget forgetting the salary westbrook would-be in upgrade over. Eric bledsoe in devon. Chen was about the future in right. Now the future is now for the milwaukee bucks in. It keeping janas happy so we can sign that extension. What will be better if the milwaukee bucks at least made it to the nba finals. Something they should have done the last two years. But didn't if you're the milwaukee bucks russell westbrook in milwaukee i mean. He's played this entire eleven year career before this past off season this past season playing in oklahoma city. So he's obviously not a guy who needs the big city in bright lights so unless you're one of those teams. Yeah but i don't know man. Westbrook was second on the rockets. The had averaged twenty seven points a game. That was up from twenty three points the average with oklahoma city in two thousand eighteen nineteen. He also led the team with almost eight rebounds per game now when he came back after the caesar resume war when the season resumed. Lucky with dealing with covet. He added knee injury. So by the time houston got to the playoffs and faced. The los angeles lakers in the second round with a shell of his former self. But this is the situation where you know houston would d. tony as your coach. You're gonna put points on the board. Because of the way they played an india russell westbrook some credit to the fact that he changed game from a guy who was shooting five or six three pointed a game to a guy who was taking the to hope. Almost every single time forced the defense do something and he was making a basket. He was getting to the foul or he was sending up Easy opportunities for other teammates. That was going to be able to use that style of play. If he's going to play for a for instance the clippers is he going to be able to play that way for a team. Like the lakers. You don't have a lot of perimeter. Shooting to the lanes will be as open as they were when he was playing with the houston rockets with harden and robert cummington. Eric gordon and all those guys shooting three to spread the floor in terms of space to floor where what russell westbrook would have those driving. Lanes is going to be able to do that with a notch shooting three point team like the milwaukee bucks milwaukee trade for him. He's going to do to write a right team. In that regard. The clippers are another team. That don't have a bevy of outside shooting so how much of westbrook's game at his best driving to the basket creating for others how they're going to be compromised when the lane is not gonna be as open as it was when he was playing with the houston rockets and again you have to also take into account his injury his history his age away that he plays and his contract. So we'll see when does will the sports. I'm your host wonderwall so glad that you could be with us through all this. James harden reportedly remains committed the houston even though kittery perkins comes on and talks about. Yeah you know what. James harden happy. I don't know what james harden wouldn't be happy of all of the franchises of all of the superstars of all of the best players in the league playing for a franchise. I don't think anybody has done more to try to win a championship for gene harden in his eight year tenure with the rockets thin the the houston rockets. And he don't quite well. A guy wanted to a guy who was a six man for the oklahoma city thunder and at the time if you ask them talking about yeah i wouldn't mind you know. Be in politics. Three man group back in the day especially after we came off of going to the nba. Finals meet d. Russ yeah i ready to roll with that group. I really be the manoj nobly of their group in championships in create my legacy and those type things but once he got traded to the youth rockets i mean his career with rocks had been stellar. Won the mvp in the twenty seventeen eighteen season. He's finished among the top three in voting for other times in the past here there was a strong debate that he will should won the mvp. The first year that youngest won the mvp. He's one hundred thirty one point five million over the three remaining seasons on its maximum contract which he signed including almost forty seven million dollars in a player option for twenty twenty two twenty three. He's arguably one of the best one on one player in nba history. He's one of the scoring title three times and houston as i mentioned before has done everything humanly possible for this guy to win. All you want your homeboy Russell westbrook tired of chris. Paul done we gotta go out here. We try to find some players around him. Fine we wanna pick the style of play. The best james okay. We'll go small ball. We'll shoot the threes. after three. Three rain let it rain. Let it rain like millionaire. Go into a strip joint. Make it rain making it rain making it rain. You need a big man without back. In the day of the twenty thirteen got themselves the best big man free agent at the time and dwight howard they built. They've done everything they could owe. You needed a point guard to get them over the hump. They went out. And they chris paul or got themselves chris paul from the los angeles clippers. So the rockets have been very very aggressive. Daryl morey with very very aggressive in trying to build a team around james harden. So i can't imagine and maybe the fact that there boras no longer with the team. He had built up the type of relationship or trust with the new general manager. Referal stone. I still think that the stone was part of the organization so we should know something. He's not like a stranger coming off the street or coming from another organization. So yeah yes. Tillman for tita. The rockers. onery promoted general manager raffles dome and recently hired stephen silas. They've emphasized for tina's talked about. We're not treating russell. Westbrook trading james harden. We have no interest. We're still trying to build around him. Feel that you know what james harden is the best player in the nba. Lebron no not jaanus. No not luca. No none of those guys the rockets field but they have the best player in the game. You wanna sit there and laugh at them then go ahead but that they're thinking so they're thinking is we have the best player in the game. He's still in his prime only thirty two years old one. Hello you're gonna trade him right now. We have the best player in that game. It's all responsibility to build a team around him. That can win championships. All right so i get it. I understand it in hard in this put in the work as i mentioned before the white house the free agent thirteen when he was still regarded as a franchise center top ten player traded for chris. Paul twenty seventeen traded paul for westbrook when all in trading clint cappella. The fourteen deal. That gave the robert covington but what has been a result of those moves. They made it to the western conference finals. Twenty fifteen with howard made it to the western conference finals in two thousand eighteen with paul but a twenty fifteen lock in five games to the golden state warriors who then went on the win the championship. In twenty eighteen. Lofton setting games to the golden state warriors. Who went on to win the nba championship both of those years. Now in two thousand fifteen the warriors were clearly the better team. No shame in the rockets losing the series four five six seven games. Whatever no shame and losing to that team but in two thousand eighteen they should won that series and if they would've won that series that was at the time in the western conference facto factor of letting conference finals the defacto finals that year. Because the cleveland cavaliers were all beat up number of the year. I think what we're not the year that the taibbi wasn't on the team when lebron was carried out by themselves basically whoever won the western conference finals was gonna win the championship and they couldn't get it done. That was the season game. Seven loss l. At home i think at one point they missed like forty five consecutive threes or some nonsense like that golden state weather the storm when the game and speak about hardened the relationship builder that he's had with the superstars hasn't happened. Howard left after a free after three seasons at the free agent. Now dwight howard. It was goof goofball and sell it knuckle. i put all the blame on james harder for that one. Dwight howard's relationships with people love importance in organizations happened. Well document is relationship with kobe. Bryant this relationship with dan gundy after the houston the buckle he bounced around from atlanta to washington's mother team sell finally found himself an opportunity to win a championship with the los angeles lakers. I'm pulling my trust in dwight howard right now. But yes of the goofiness of dwight howard. i see where james harden retire of that but the situation with chris. Paul chris paul was treated after two season chris. Paul was like me. And now i can't play with this guy. I don't wanna play with this guy. Get me out of here. I'm tired of trying to run an offense with me having the ball. My hands of james harden the standing there at the half court line not engaged not playing with the rest of the squad. I'm not not down with that. Get me out of here. so so. that didn't work so now. Moving into this season now we have russell westbrook and after one season he can't make it work with james harden so two or three in terms of who do i put the blame on for the relationship not growing and maturing and becoming something that could last the first one was dwight howard fault but when he came through chris paul now russell westbrook. I put that on put that on. James harden hit the face of the franchise. He is the man he hit the gas. My question again at this question while podcast wendell's role the sports park after joe truly wanted to wallace. Can you build a championship around the guy that's really getting to yet. James harden is a great player. Yeah james harden's arguably one of the best guards the league today yeah. James harden deserve the accolades yet. James harden in the regular season is one of the best players in the league. Yeah i'm not gonna take anything away from james harden and the achievements that he's in the accomplishments that he's had. I'm not taking anything away from that. He's a great player. No doubt about it but bringing it back then. You build around the chip. Can you build a championship team. Can you win yourself a championship round the player. Like the type of player. That james hardness i think james harden at the best one on one player in the game today and i think he's one of the best players in nba history. I think he's probably in terms of eyeso- scoring one. Oh one. I think that he the second best scoring guard in nba history and that's includes kobe bryant. That includes dwayne wade. That includes jerry west. Only michael jordan. I think is a better one on one. Basketball player is better basketball player. The james harden into game of basketball in the history of basketball. But you take a look at the type of score a player that james harden and you compare him to the type of players that were ball dominant volume shooting is still guards. Small forwards who really scored a lot of points. But if you take a look at it even though there assistant a numbers might have been decent. They really didn't meet the players around him better. Oh this scored a lot. They put some points on the board. And if you take a look at the assist she you might have had five six seven Again or something like that. But did they make their other players better. The other players have fun playing with them. Look fun when a basketball game. But i think you know that builds into a championship type of game getting everybody involved. Can you even say for instance we're gonna sell out and even get player. Don't need to get shots on their team. Can you win a basketball championship that way. Because i take a look at james harden. And i took a look a player to a comparable like george gervin in alan iverson nave archer bowl and pete marriage dominique wilkins russell westbrook those again. Those type of boll donald volume shooting eyeso- type guards and small forward. That george gervin. Was you know what all those players have in common. They've won themselves scoring titles. They haven't won if you take a look at durban iverson arch. Both wilkins westbrook done will championship along with james harden. They've won thirteen nba scoring titles combined. No championships so if you wanna win you wanna play around. Your squad is gonna win your championship in a scoring title. Get those types of players. But it's been shown with the exception michael jordan who actually won a championship. Once phil jackson came around with texts winner introduced the triangle offense in jordan decided to get more people involved. He went from being a ball. Dominant eyeso- guard scoring type of guy to guy who was now regarded the best basketball player of all time. Put them at the table. So jordan bryant. Who again when he was up there scoring thirty five points a game up a whole lot of shots in between between shack. Leaving and before. Phil jackson got there and then phil jackson got their introduced training offense. He won't championships then. Got traded phil. Jackson left rudy. Tomjanovich came in kobe. Bryant went up chucking shots now yes. He had tucked guidance. Chris mims and he has such guides as much parker on the team. So yeah the talent wasn't there but koby bryant. Being that type of basketball player didn't equate wins championships or anything fruitful for the los angeles lakers. It's only when phil jackson king back to coach the team and he brought in powder saul in lamar odom and introduced the triangle offense again. Could we went back to winning two more championships from the three one. Fill the first go around. So playing is the ball or houston rockets. Type ball or james harden type of ball or that type of ball doesn't make you a championship team so again when you have a player like hardened who i don't know if he can even play any other way i mean you're asking a guy who had this must much success in the league all of a sudden be more of a team player to be more evolved now. I think that he's tried a little bit harder on defense at the defence is much better than before when basically half the time he didn't even give a damn and the other half he just harley gave a damn but when you have a player like him either. You're just going to lose the second round all the time and have a whole bunch of happy basketball players or you can do with the philadelphia. Seventy sixers and larry brown did the year that alan iverson won the. Mvp it with a bunch of guys who don't even like to shoot. Don't even the score. Don't want to score. In our finding happy and dan he was alan iverson putting thirty two game and isolating and going one on one. All the time. Aaron mckie was going to have era. Mckee wasn't a guys won't shoot escort. Twenty point game Mutombo the center. He was a guy with a defensive force. Eric snow the point guard. He was a guy known for defense and couldn't shoot the lick though the sixers around that time larry brown where they made it to the nba finals and lost to the lakers. That was a team that was built around allen. Iverson just score a whole bunch of points in the other guy's playing defense rebounding passing the ball back to everson having shoot mesquite rebound pack. A ball back everson. Having him shoot miss. Get the ball. And then you know with wash repeat and that's been shown that you don't win championships. That way is are the houston rockets. Going to be forced to do that. Small ball than the work. You're talking about building the team around hardening westbrook. That's exactly how are you gonna do that. They don't have any draft picks. They're all basically kept out until infertility owners never go over the luxury tax and the three season that he's own but the rockets in the fact that this is the guy who's outside businesses. Which is you know owning restaurants and casinos. Such hotel casinos such. Let's taking a hit because of the pandemic he doesn't have cash that you can infuse into his basketball product. Lorenzo film tillman for tina. Not lorenzo for thiede tillman for tita. He owes there's easter rockets him in him only to he can't go to his other four or five Co owners or those who have equity in the team and asked him the bail him out or asking for a loan or ask him to do some other things financially. This is baby. This is all his deal so in the world that we're living in right now but the covert situation not to be a light at the end of the tunnel in the near future in the fact that the nba at the very least it's not going to have people in the stands to make up for the losses that they're going to incur incur the season. Why would tillman for tina. Then go ahead with this other businesses languishing because of the pandemic going on in this country. The world all of a sudden now with those other entities not bringing in any extra money to put into basketball team. he's going to go over the luxury tax. What for the team to lose in the second round again. There's no avenue there's no direction there's no trade. There's nothing there's no pick out there. They're going to make the houston rockets. Better than the los angeles lakers for the twenty twenty twenty one season. There's nothing out there. There's no avenue go. There's no trade to make for the houston rockets to become better than the los angeles clippers or become better than the denver nuggets. Now you wanna be in a saint tier as the utah jazz and the oklahoma city thunder. Maybe phoenix suns. Or maybe the memphis grizzlies. That's fine but those that tier is not winning championships. The ncaa will. You can get on role and win. Six games wanna championship. You ain't beating the lakers. Four seven beating the clippers for other seven. You ain't beating the nuggets for other seven with a team that you have right. Now you can trade russell westbrook all you want to. There's nothing out there. That's going to make them better. You can james harden if you want to houston but nothing out there. That's going to make them better. I don't know what you're gonna do. A robert cummington. I don't know what you're gonna do. With pj tucker. I don't know what you can do with the other core players on that team but there's nothing that you can do to make this team any better be a force to compete for a championship. Not only this season but also next season and you see some of the teams that might be below the rockets. Who've been up you see a young squad like the Phoenix suns with devon booker in deondraye aiden and multi williams at the head coach. And those guys are being rumored to watch see what they can do to add the more pieces to get them. More competitive for playoff spots in playoff berths seedings and stuff. I think that they will link to their will lead to chris paul possibility of getting them. They've been linked to the possibility getting themselves. Russell westbrook so if you used houston you take a look back. I know sexual page the great negro league pitcher for the for the host that graves always said. Don't look back because people might beginning on him. Well accusing look back. They'll see that teams like the memphis. Grizzlies teams like the phoenix suns. They're gaining on them and you know utah is always going to be good. We don't know what the new orleans pelicans is gonna be. But they cut themselves possibly generational superstar in zion williamson. So are the houston. Rockets can be stuck just above mediocrity with this team the way it is right now. What do you do if you are. This used to raucous moving forward those all the things that have to be answered all the questions that houston has to has to answer for me. My dream has always been owning. Nba basketball team. My dream has always been to own the washington wizards first of all if i did. I changed the name from the washington wizards to the wasser to windows. I'm joking i'm not i'm not. I'm not the owner. Bob johnson of the rest of the charlotte bobcats. He's but My philosophy has always been looked. If you're not. I can't accept mediocrity or i can't. I can't accept middle of the pack. I don't mind being bed if i were the owner of a basketball team. I wouldn't mind being bad if i knew that we were in some direction to be moving up. I couldn't be in a position to where the houston rockets are right. Now or were the portland. Trailblazers are right now. I couldn't be that squad. I can be. The squad. wins anywhere between forty five and fifty two games but don't have any shot with the playoffs. Start i couldn't be that squad like the utah jazz. I just couldn't either have to be competing for championships or have to be building to compete for championships. And then we get to a point. Where we max out on the opportunity to win championships with a group that we have blow the whole thing up and let's start again now. Five coach rick carlisle vetoed like erik. Spoelstra if i have a coach gregg popovich if i ship out the bump save i had a coach like like doc rivers black americans head coach but is last two forays. His last job at the lodge angeles clippers. I would say uneven at best. But if i had a really good strong coach who won't be coaching this team forever. Yeah mammoth blow the thing up in. Let's give out and let's start all over again one year. We have to go fifteen sixty seven or one year. We have to go twenty and sixty two but at four just to get a lottery. Pick which helps us didn't start rebuilding again. Then let's do it. Let's go for it. But i'm a Houston i'm doing a fire sale. I'm starting all over again. You're a team right now. That can only play one particular way which is just a whole bunch of threes in. That's been shown that you can't win that way. You can't win with seven. Robert cummington away the ways to fifteen playing in the post. You can't do that. You kill when shooting fifty seven three pointers a game or shooting the going close to fifty fifty in terms of shooting three pointers compared to you can't win that way. So tillman for tina especially now when you get the luxury the luxury but you know. I don't have to worry about ticket. Sales are season tickets or anything like that because all actuality probably not going to be a point in the season for the near future. Where i'm gonna be having fans in the stands so i'm rebuilding wallin stinking while i'm taking. I might as well not doing it in front of anybody because nobody can go to the any way to watch that product so for me owning a houston rockets involvement for tita. This would be the best time for me. The see what i can do by putting james harden on the market by putting russell westbrook on the market seeing what i can do. Pj tucker austin rivers is in coming back. I mean what are you gonna do with. Comington going to do with erik gordon. Who wasn't whining and complaining about his role on the team. This past season less less season with the houston rockets. That's that team. Mirrored the your or challenge. The los angeles lakers are the team who could have won the most dysfunctional team in the nba award. I'll get into that a little bit later. But found for tita blowing the thing up not starting again and also have to remember. Here's the elephant in the room. That's bad invitation number announcement but here's another elephant in a room that people haven't talked about enough recently. They've talked about it enough not recently. Can you build around. James harden when he's shown time after time after time that when the when the big game is needed james harden for the most part doesn't show up multiple examples of james. We nature we need to have a troll. Barkley game seven against the seattle supersonics when he was with the phoenix suns. We need that type of performance were barkley out and game. Seven to scored forty one points and grabbed twenty four rebounds and dished off seven assists. We need james. Harden have a game like trump berkeley had when he was when he was with the phoenix suns and they played the golden state. Warriors chris weber's weber's rookie gear and he scored fifty points in the deciding game. I think yet like thirty seven points in the first half and he was absolutely torching. What trump's spree. Well chris webber those guys who were was talking to a whole bunch of junk. That was weber's rookie geared donelson with the coach during the playoff whoever was talking a whole of shit and barclays was like. Oh really okay when you went out in the deciding. Game scored fifty. We need something like that. From james harden and james harden doesn't hadn't done that yet. I need that. Big game. From james harden be the best player in the league. Show me. She'll be accounts not gained forty three in the regular season. Not during the dog days of the nba season show me will accounts and so far in his career. James harden has come up small. Mommy's making a hundred and thirty one million dollars man's going to be peaking there's going to be paid forty seven million dollars in time after time after time. What we need you were are you. You're not around game. What game five. Against the golden state warriors in the western conference finals and twenty fifteen shot two four eleven over three from deep scoring fourteen points in the the final game. Twenty seventeen. remember that game game. Six against the san antonio spurs when the spurs were playing without kawhi leonard. Marcus lamarcus aldridge. Step the big time that game. I think he's scored thirty points. A game james harden do. Oh he's toward ten points to of eleven from the field to a nine from three point. Line the rockets were blown out and then it will report it later on that evening or at night. The james harden was at a club party lit up after he was told him out. Here man. I was exhausted tired at three the delight i pieter nel in game six in basically didn't show up. You had multiple turnovers. That were horrendous. Foul trouble it was almost like a james corden trying to throw this game. It's doing a kobe. Bryant kobe bryant did sacramento for the first half. Brian didn't shoot the ball just to prove a point because teammates were whining and complaining that he shot too much which he did so he said i'll show you shoot at all it gene heart and trying to make that point because we need him to do something this game six if we lose. We're going to be eliminated. And he was shit and it seemed like he didn't give a fuck and then after the game you find out that he's out there in a club party in what fuck so. There was that situation then there was twenty eighteen year to james harden won the game seven against the golden state warriors again. The mentioned before basically it was the nba championship. Anybody who won that game was gonna beat. Cleveland depleted cleveland cavaliers. Here's a chance for harden finally get the title the nba championship. All you have to do with beat the dynasty which what the golden state warriors chris. Paul was out because of a pulled hamstring so this was a gain for james harden to do a magic johnson. Right forty two points. Fifteen rebounds seven assists randy. Johnson gained six against the philadelphia. Seventy sixers back in one thousand nine hundred when cream abdul jabbar twisted his ankle in game five and couldn't make it and everybody thought that the sixers with julius caldwell jones and andrew. Tony mold cheeks bobby jones. We're going to be going back to the forum to a play kareem in game. Seven magic said nope. I'm starting to center. I'm going to jump against caldwell. And i'm gonna take this game over. Where were you. We needed that type of performance from james. Your legacy is at stake. What did he do. Oh he's four thirty two points but the devil's in the details showed the ball twenty nine times twelve twenty nine. He shot to thirteen from three point. Range steph curry stepped up. Play the hell of a game. Where was the mvp all his whole floor. The biggest game of his career. What are the biggest games. A franchise history twenty nine to thirteen utah to be the best player in the game again. You come up short. tell me again. We're gonna win a championship with you. Twenty nineteen game six at home against the golden state warriors. Remember after kevin durant towards the killing game. Five golden state held on to win that game at oracle came back the game six. What happened hardshell linda. Twenty five from the field six of fifteen from deep houston loss. I remember houston. Topple a whole bunch of smack during season about how they've got golden state's number in at the end of that game. Golden state was basically laughing at those guys. Dream on clay steph. Coach kerr me. They were laughing at their asses. Yeah who's your daddy bitch. Thank you very much again. We're was the they were playing without. Kevin durant the warrior complain without kevin durant. How am i going to feel comfortable building the squatter now chain heart when the game like this an opportunity like this you do this. So those are the questions that The houston rockets are going to have to deal with. So i don't see him but there's i mentioned before you take a look at the financial situation of the owner. You take a look at the financial plight of our nation of our world. You take a look at the virus you take a look at the compromises in revenue streams that are not going to be available to the nba. When everything's all said and done. James harden russell westbrook anybody else for the houston rockets. The other teams want him. Gimme a call zuni. Let's talk because in the crepe business for harden and westbrook. I'm selling one world's sports. I'm your host wonderwall so glad that you could be with us friday night feeling all right. Hold on the microphone. And i'm holding the tight Speaking about what's going on in the nba talking about what's happening in the off season the seasons going to be commencing on december twenty second. Tnt december twenty fifth. They'll have a full slate of nba games. I don't know if they've come up with the schedule yet. I haven't seen anything concerning that have really been looking with the nba with the nfl going on in college. Football and thoughts and prayers go out to arizona state hill head. Coach harm edwards. Who has come down with covid. Nineteen i know. He's in the age group where that's something where you just. Can't you know laugh. All for dismissed or anything like that so i hope that He can go ahead in a rebound from that. But because of that the arizona state game is canceled. Hey look man if you listen to the show on saturday there ain't nothing on football. There's no college football this. Sec gang both of them have been cancelled or postponed in the pac twelve games. You got a couple of games. That's been postponed even know nine o'clock out here tomorrow morning but the united endgame is going to be i think. Cbs you're not gonna be showing any games because all the games have been cancelled or postponed. So you know what if you're going to be You know inside if you're going to be taking the drive if you're going to be taking hike chilling relaxing. Whatever not listening to any type of tv or anything like that. Not listening to type of music man. Turn on this bad boy listen to me ramble on and go on and do my thing and wasn't about and talk about what's going on in the world of the nba in the world of college basketball and my thoughts and feelings about the nineteen sixty three nba finals. Game six between the boston celtics in the los angeles lakers fired up man. I fired up tonight. For some reason. I slept all day after having a really good day teaching. I'm doing the home school. you know. Kids aren't allowed out here. In clark county the be in the on the school grounds. So everybody's doing. Google meets in staying at home and virtual classrooms and all that kind of stuff so this past week was absolutely awesome. Had the pleasure. The honor to go ahead and substitute for to really really good schools out here in clark county in to really really get classes. Give out special going to what the kids the freshmen at attack in the freshman today at south west career and technical academy those kids are so doggone good those kids are so doggone respectful those kids are so doggone wonderful i mean i i want if i had the money i would in if the strip in vegas was such a fucking hell hole in terms of no people shooting each other assaulting each other and all those types of things fi the money. Each one of those students who've had this week at a tech in southwest career tech. I would. I would pay for their parents their guardians. Who's ever raising those kids man. Y'all go down to either the cosmopolitan or the really fancy dancy places on the strip. Get the nicest sweet that you can have. Everything is on me room service. Whatever you wanna do if i had if i had serious series money. That's what i would do man those. I don't know what you're doing in terms of how you're raising those kids but you'll need to write a book. Don't need to go on a speaking tour. Y'all need to educate some of these other parents because those kids were just flipping awesome smart intelligent and made me every time. I ended up a class with that. I just sat back and said yeah. This society actually had the chance if we can get those kids. Those kids can continue to be who they are if they get older as wonderful as smart intelligent intelligent talented the third or i will get those. Are the kids. I won't taking care of me when i get older and i can't do anything if i'm still around living next. Remember who i am and my sixties and seventies and eighties going on. I don't think i'm making ninety but my in my elder years those are the type of people who is taking care of those kids who are going to be. We're going to be growing into adults. Those are the type of kids. I want taking care of me and my country and in this world when i get older what won a bunch of what a wonderful day bungee great kids. I don't care i. I really enjoy substitute teaching. At least in clark i really do. I'll never give that up. I hit mega bucks tomorrow. And i still I would still go ahead and substitute teach three or four times a week. I i really enjoy it. And i miss those losers. I really do not being able to go into the classroom. I miss i do so those Those kids are just awesome though. I out there wendell. In congratulations to the parents raising wonderful wonderful kids windows roller sports. I'm your host window. Wallace glad that you could be with a so. We got all the stuff here. Nba coming up houston rockets. What's going on what's happening. What's going down amid before the rockets. Battling the la clippers for the most functional locker room for the twenty nineteen twenty twenty season. You know everybody was upset with the clippers about hawaiian not participating in practices and getting off when he wants to and going down to san diego to take days off. Meanwhile the guys that stay in. La they don't get days off and they don't do anything like that. Why does he get all that kind of stuff. Why does he get those type privileges. We don't and paul george looking for the same thing and still telling the team you need to do this. And you need to do that and montreal lou williams and pat beverley. A looking at those guys going really seriously. You're preaching and talk without hard work to us and european thing about trying to take days off and showing up like a bitch when we meet need it the most really europe. They're trying to lead us. Like your lebron james without being lebron james in terms of skill in terms of accomplishments moment. The fuck out of my face. So everything everything with the clippers. Which at the real hot mess. Lou williams leaving the leaving the campus in orlando because of a death in the family in the stops lemon pepper chicken wings at a strip joint there was just. It was just like once. Nonsense thing after the other. So the clippers if everybody would write a book or if anybody would do a thirty for thirty That would be interesting. Look the clippers this season. You would take a look and say oh. Yeah no wonder that. Beating the second round or i can't believe they even got that far with How much. They hated each other and distrusted each other. And there's no chemistry and there was no togetherness unity no Being of one of getting to the goal that they wanted to get to know wonder teams out when it did. Same thing can be said for the houston rockets for twenty nineteen. Twenty season. reported by sam Sharm cheralla in kellyanne of the Athletic that there were issues teen wide behind the scenes during the twenty nineteen twenty twenty campaign. The reported issues with accountability and various concerns from shooting. Guards like eric gordon and pj. Tucker and austin rivers and bill staines just festered over time. It became prevalent in by the time. The season is over. They were probably like wait to get the fuck outta here those types of issues or happening before they got to orlando. Now you put those guys and that type of environment. I'm quite sure near the end of white game. Five of the laker series. Motherfuckers cannot wait to get the hell out of orlando and be. Get the hell away from anybody associated with the houston rockets. So the athletic reported of january lockable meeting following home off the portland right where russell westbrook called the team meeting. He was the one who is leading the team meeting. He went around the room indicating what was wrong. And what each player needed to do the fixed the losing streak and most importantly started with himself so he didn't ricky waters the situation by saying. Hey i'm doing great but you suck you suck sucking you suck. He started off by speaking about what he needs to do. Now maybe some people felt that he wasn't critical enough in. Maybe you didn't put the blame on himself or maybe put too much blame on other people and not himself who knows but the fact. He was accountable enough to call the meeting of dan. In terms of i'm going to be talking about and we don't know exactly how he When at it in terms of discussing what they needed to do. We don't know if he did it in the negative fashion. We don't know if he did more positive fashion. You're better than that. We need for you to do this. And i know that you can do this. We'll do everything that you can. But you got to step up and i know you can or a situation like that. So we don't know exactly the tenor the tone or the way delivered by westbrook but when it came to the king james harden and westbrook was pointing out some of the things he needed to do with his game to help his team start winning. A heart didn't appreciate that too much. He wasn't really at receptive to the criticism at the other teammates and this was according to a source who was privy to. What went down at the meeting. So when you all eight. Hate each other i mean. Of course you're gonna be like yeah. Let me tell you about what happened at this meeting. Let me throw james harden under the bus. The athletic also reported that former teammates have described the culture in houston problematic emphasized the situation that caters far too much to stars. It's been known that d'antoni was not a guy who was a confrontational guy. I mean this. Is someone like rick. Carlisle doc rivers this. Rape pablo veggies. You know tell you a those uncertain terms What you are in what. You're not doing so My dental he was not that type of guy so anything in terms of not being able to hold its star accountable and when the houston rockets. We know who it stars are. Right j. h. r. W so there you go. Austin rivers was unhappy with his insistent play in playing time in utilization of his role on the team in fact one example rivers austin rivers right. He wanted an expletive laden tirade during the game with dan. Tony call his co. form to be substituted. And then after you know let them have it. You know dental put him back in the game. What you gotta ignore that shit you gotta be like. Yeah whatever mango in cursing. The whatever you need to do but sit on the bench and get the fuck away from me but no totally. Tony like upside. Put them back in the other players. Who like really austin rivers. I mean westbrook okay harden okay austin rivers you're gonna get pumped by the rivers interesting and another example where rivers was really man. You gotta go there with me on that. One rivers was birket by hardened after change. Missed the free throw and then he blamed austin rivers. Now why would james harden blame austin rivers for him missing a free throw it because austin rivers were standing up on the bench and hardened was distracting. Why i'm sorry. We're exactly what the bench during this time. They put the bench underneath the basket. Wait a minute. i don't know if it was a road or home game but you know during the role when the players are shooting the opposing players are shooting at the rim or the free throws. You know you've got the fans behind the backboard waving their hands in medicine ms it you ugly bitch. I mean all these types of things and everything. So you're gonna try to tell me in. The benches of course are to the side so let james harden the shooting free throws peripheral vision. All of a sudden austin rivers just by standing up was often river shouting things. Adam austin rivers mimicking throwing things adam. What the hell was going onto. A james harden. Have you go ahead and blame austin rivers for standing up because of the next week. He missed the free throw. What man. I know what never gets picked on when he was with the clippers. That chris paul just verbally just put a beatdown on him. Like you wouldn't believe off. It was man enough to take it but still it's like what the fuck man you. Actually you actually going go there with me. You're gonna blame me for bit. Free throw because i was standing up. Say what i've seen those outfits. You warning games where you haven't played talk about fucking distracting so that was That's the type of shit going down regarding austin rivers. Pj tucker on the other hand has nothing to do with him. His you know hit being upset had nothing to do with players or coaches or playing time or anything like that. His deal was terribly upset. Over contract situation and that festered all season long. He thought he deserved a raise. After seeing other guys who played his role on a team getting better contracts. He was like really. I'm up here at six foot five. I only corner threes. I'm up regarding the stephen adams of the world. Joel embiid of the world because you guys wanna play small ball so in essence i gotta be the one who's going to take these monsters. I'm getting beat up. I'm getting you know abused throughout the regular season. Meanwhile i see this guy team this guy on this team this guy on this team not doing nearly the work that i'm doing don't nearly have the responsibility that i have not doing nearly as well as i'm doing it and he's getting paid this much and getting paid that much or he's getting paid this amount more than me and i'm not or his sentence or this this contract and i don't have anything like that online while she what the hell's going on like that so you also reportedly felt insulted that houston delayed extension talks and didn't guarantee is twenty twenty twenty one salary until the february six twenty twenty trade deadline pass so basically what that meant were looking about trading him. So you talk about your Pj tug that's what you think about me. Okay interesting again eric. Gordon was upset about his role on the team. I don't know. Maybe if eric gordon to stay injury-free a little bit i mean maybe they would have given them a much bigger role but you know. And here's a guy who shot a lot today. Who have offered up into freedom here. The guy who was basically number three guy in terms of the importance of the often in terms of scoring is concerned. I mean a yet freedom to express themselves on offense with the ball in his hand. So i don't know exactly what he was upset about. I don't know. I don't know it's not a criticism on a blaming era. Going to be interested to hear his explanation about why he was upset about the role on this team. He wanted to to expand the role. I don't know what again i don't know. Exactly what expanding. His role on the team would incur especially on the offense event. Because eric gordon was a guy who you wanted to she threes shoot threes. If you wanted to shoot steph curry type freeze shoot them. If you wanted to drive to the basket and digging thing drive to the basket and do you think so. I don't know it'd be interesting to see what he was upset about. So one those sport the podcast. I'm your host one. The wallace glad you could be with us. I mentioned before man time for houston rockets. Get get that team philosophy on a rocket ship and take it to the motherland and start all over again. memphis denver. dallas. Look at look at these guys you got dallas lucas. Twenty one in already in the world on fire in the nba. You got porzingis. Who's twenty five years old and what he's not injured can be a nice number. Two guy for luca in dallas is still looking for another part to give them a big three. Whether that's going to be someone. Like a zach levine. By that juban in the boys are still looking at it to see what they can do. The bring a another talent to those guys. Tim hardaway junior. Ain't getting done in that role so dallas is a team that's on the rise in is looking to get better much quicker than maybe some anticipated denver. None call a yokich who arguably the best center in the league. The best big man in the league from europe. He's twenty five. Jamal murray who are balled out in some important games. I mean i'm quite sure that houston rockets. Were like man you know. What if we jamal. Murray playing like he did. We had jamal. Murray the jamal murray that was in game. What seven or the deciding. Game against utah or a couple of games in the utah series or descending game against the los angeles clippers if james harden could have given us a jamal murray type of performance in the game. That meant something for the houston rockets. Maybe we will be talking about james harden multiple times and and multiple multiple time. Nba champion and none of this nonsense about what we need to do with the houston rockets. Are we going to change. Trade james harden mill stuff comes through a discussion point. Jamal murray at twenty three years old. It's already had as many big gains by multitudes. Over james harden has been in this league almost over ten. He's twenty three so denver's get yo could you five. Murray's utah's twenty three who who. The denver nuggets made it to the conference finals. Oh and by the way the wild card in all of this michael porter jr. that man at the age of twenty two. Everybody's talking about man tyler. Competence this confidence man. You think taylor hero has some confidence in himself. Watch michael porter jr. play on. He made kobe. Bryant h looked shy and tentative in a intentive when it comes to doing some things with the basketball only offense event. Michael michael porter has confidence in his game. In droves this is a guy who after the game against the clippers. i think really fell down through. The one actually came out was up there. Criticizing the team in the press conference about what they need to do to get better. Michael porter jr. I'm sorry who the fuck are you. I'm nicole yoga's michael puerta junior. I'm sorry who the fuck are you jamal. Murray i'm sorry michael porter jr. Who the fuck are you a phone. Paul mill set. You're gonna put me on blast like that with the fucking you've ever done in this league. Michael porter jr. confidence confidence bounds. Get the kobe bryant at a young age mature complex. Like you know fuck it. I'm the man why not so you denver who's rising. You've got the memphis grizzlies. John morand jerry jackson junior football twenty one years old. And they're going to get better so if you're the you're the houston rockets. You know they don't have any first round pick for a while oklahoma city. They're twenty twenty four and twenty six first round picks top protected in oklahoma city has top ten protect the swap with houston twenty twenty one twenty twenty five rockets also don't have a first round pick. Nba draft because of having the trade of a cappella. Come back to bite him so not to my flexibility for houston not too much at all so going to be long season for the houston rockets. Less get some shit together with their with their bullshit. Windows world is sports. I'm your host when wallace so glad that you could be with us. Got the nba season off the court news at the end of the season mentioned before about the nba. Coaching carousel got. Dammit i wasn't nba. When i with the. Nfl wasn't so doggone interesting for me to sit there. I wish i had a little bit more time to Go ahead when the expiration dates on these topics were a little bit more fresh for me to talk about the coaching carousel. The nba had ten coach. Openings this off season brooklyn chicago. Cleveland houston indiana the clips new orleans the knicks philadelphia. So has steve nash. Brooklyn billy donovan. Going from oklahoma city to the chicago bulls b. bickerstaff's on the bernie bickerstaff with assistant coach with the washington. Bullets back in the day life longer he get the opportunity again to coach coach. Houston for short amount of time after kevin mckell got fired. He's now the coach at cleveland. Stephen silas mitchell before the sun a silas i believe that he was on the staff with a steve. Clifford don't know if he was on the staff when the Cavaliers when paul silas his father with coach to cavaliers by now that he's harvard educated. What the browns smart guy. was an important part of the defensive structure of all. What fucking team to the playoffs. Before i think would dallas so yet. So he played a large part with the success of dallas. And rick carlisle on the staff. He's a new coach at houston tied. Lou the clippers data van gundy with the new orleans hornets. Tom typical going to run to run. Oh my goodness gracious. All the canadian. Who's really really good are j barrack and residues. Young players run them into the ground and that listen to analytics. He's now the coach of the new york knicks. mitchell robinson. Get yourself in shape because you're gonna be playing forty minutes a game regardless. And then you got. Doc rivers in philadelphia along with nate board Birkin fortune i think. The coach of indiana indiana fire nick mcmillan. Because they're like we need. We want we want the team to run before. Have you seen the team. Have you seen the way. The team is constructed. That don't kevin pitcher the gm. Nick milligan do shop for the groceries. He didn't buy those groceries. You really gonna run with sa- bonus in in from texas doc. I cannot miles. Turner be the bonus balls. Turner malcolm brogden. Dicta depot was hurt. So know your best athletes was no longer around and when he came back victor depot that we all knew who on that team. Are you willing to save run. More run more run more. I mean i. i don't see that one. i don't get that one. I mean they wanna run shoot. Three's basically i wanna play like a quasi is used to rocket style offense. That's fine. Don't you unique the personnel to do that and also if you have your best player being sa- bonus don't you want to try to center somewhere around him and yet you need to put some shooters around him. But i mean all of a sudden you change philosophy and you want to shoot more. Threes isn't most turner better three point shooter. Bonus so moving. Forward with the indiana pacers. Yom i know that you're upset that the patriots laws and got swept by the miami heat. This year. I believe the year before that they lost to the boston. Celtics m the main thing was those guys just couldn't score enough. That was pretty obvious. But again it's up to the gm to go ahead and make the move. Bring us player to score. I mean it's very nice that you got. Tj warned there. But i mean. Tj is a knife player who can shoot and everything doesn't need the ball that much in terms of running plays isos in everything for him to score but he's not the fleetest afoot needs not the greatest the leads either. If you're going to be looking to play that type of style so it'll be interesting to see what they do when they go. Doc rivers interesting because doug duck made boats. The career of that river's in terms of Mentioned this black. Americans head coach doc rivers is the guy who you know made his reputation in terms of being a great coach by taking the orlando magic at the time when those guys are basically look at the tank because they were just clearing cap space at the time because they were gonna try to. They're going to try to be willing to teams that the They were trying to be the heels of d. Wade chris bosh in lebron before all that shit got started to try to build your team through the through free agency. There were looking at the time. Get themselves grant hill. Who with detroit. Tim dunkin who was coming up on his first contract with the senatorial spurs in tracy mcgrady. Who was a lounging in toronto foolishly. Wanted to play in one of the plate in the racist ignorance. Selfish states of america. He didn't wanna plenty of canada. He didn't wanna take advantage of some of the most beautiful women walking this planet on streets of toronto in the province of ontario. He wanted to go ahead and get out of there like its cousins. Vince carter did so basically orlando was like look. We're just clearing cap space. We know we're gonna stink. Just don't have stink too bad. So they best rivers job was when he got orlando back in the day. We're listing but let's not just super embarrassing. Let's be nine seventy embarrassing all right. Let's not be quinn. Buckner dallas mavericks. Jamal mashburn jimmy jackson jason kidd type of embarrassing all right. Let's just kinda hold ford. He did more than that it or throw you to drink like two cup. Two point a coffee at halftime in bouncing off the walls and he had a couple of those other players. The orlando magic made the playoffs with a forty one. Forty one record which is the equivalent almost of a really good team going sixty eight. I don't know sixty eight and fourteen. Or whatever i mean. That was amazing. He won coach of the year by bringing the team to a five hundred record now. Unfortunately they got themselves got the unfortunately they wanna head that all season scientists mcgrady signed grant hill. Missed out on tim. Duncan decided to stay in san antonio david robinson is some of the veterans came over and said please. Tim forgot fucking states. Don't leave. I'm begging because it was close. The relationship that tim duncan had built with doc rivers at the time. When doc was a radio broadcaster. For the san antonio spurs was gregg popovich like was looking at a evil eye like. Why don't you so fucking friendly with my best player. Aren't you posted to speak during the play by play. Why the fuck you always like. What's up my understanding. What was up with this low. Now we've found out what was up with this. But don't because of his loyalty to the spurs organization robinson. Sean elliott avery johnson. Gregg popovich said. I'll stay so orlando had to settle for Gregg yet to settle for whom i thinking about grant hill interesting mcgrady well. Unbeknownst to everybody in the league including grant hill who had broken his ankle in the playoff series for the detroit pistons then ankle differ healed surgery after surgery after surgery and never heal though there was a four or five year stretch. Word greenhill never played so basically that whole taking deal. What the hell. Because it only got the tracy mcgrady in a bunch of bums and doc still got the best out of those teams. So that's where. Doc rivers built his reputation of being a really good coach not by coming out and doing what. Nick nurse didn't winning a championship right off the bat or anything like that it taking a team full of garbage garbage. I mean sports. Nba player delete players are concerned the nba. Anybody make the nba is fourth garbage in any way shape or form of the basketball player but as far as nba level playing is concerned he took below average guys in. Turn them into a playoff type of team so then he goes to the boston celtics. Get himself the polar opposite of a team full of hardworking. Nobody's due to the trade for daily of dineage that he made with a with a good buddy kevin mchale gave him the opportunity to get kevin garnett pair them up with paul pierce a draft day trade from seattle brought over ray allen. They drafted regime. Rondo the celtics for three years. Were one of the elite teams in the nba. Doc rivers the coach himself a championship. If it wasn't for entry to kendrick perkins and kevin kevin garnett. The celtics will won another championship. And then they ll audio landau magic where they basically gas losing the final game at home so during that time it was you know. Doc rivers was lauded for his ability to be able to mesh these type of uber. Alpha dog type players garnett alain paul pierce into one so quickly and then winning the championship. Tom typical was also one that coaching staff and the defense for boston was outstanding. So we go through all that to get to the clippers so when he was brought over when the celtics you when pearson gardenet were traded to the brooklyn nets and reagan was the only one left in a couple of other things going on and look by you know the celtics were going to be rebuilding again and was like i've been winning too much. I've been through the orlando experience. I don't wanna do that shit again. Then he was hired or he would trade it basically. The coach was traded to the los angeles clippers. That's at the time. Where would like they have. Blake griffin and lay had the hundred jordan. Just acquire chris paul and it was like oh my goodness we got the three great players know chris. Paul was there before. Leaving with vinny del negro but basically rivers came over with that team and then i think that offseason they got themselves. Jj relatives shooter so it was like oli. Fucking shit man. The clippers are going to be here. The clippers are gonna be the clippers clippers clippers clippers clippers. Well they didn't win a championship. While docked with coach over there and through two incarnations of the los angeles clippers it pretty dysfunctional. If you take a look. I go around with blake in deondraye and chris paul. Donald sterling thing wasn't a winning a good match to fight through that. And you know this the sterling situation but the clippers were team where they just didn't like each other they were talented. Hell blake griffin jumping over. You know jumping over cars and in a while the out. While the choir sing gospel hymns in the dunk contest. Doing all this stuff in blake was supposed to be next uber superstar and chris paul him bob city and all that kind of stuff behind the scenes. It was like well. Whose team is this. Is chris paul steam as it blake. Griffin's team the personality of chris. Paul rudd suppliers the wrong way. You know blake griffin. The andre jordan jordan. Didn't like didn't appreciate being yelled at the way chris. Paul was yelling at those guys. I mean nothing personal chris. Paul chris paul so basically it just got to the point. Where you know. The clippers of that team didn't like each other and they were. They were fun to watch. I'm gonna be here in the west coast watching a lotta. This clipper games. They just want a group that was fun to watch. Nobody else light them. They had rivalries with the portland trailblazers. Terry stotts and doc rivers got into a couple of times in the memphis. Grizzlies didn't like him zach randolph in blake griffin got into it a couple of times and gm call blake griffin. Saw a phony and diva and all this kind of stuff it was just ugly it which ugly and the underperformed so by the time they lost chris. Paul decided you know what. I'm going to houston. Jj registered. i won't be anywhere but here. They traded blake griffin to the pistons. Deondraye jordan thought about moving or go into the dallas mavericks and those guys had run over and hold them hostage until he recanted and came back to the clippers and then he left first time he got an opportunity after that so it was just just wasn writer. Just wasn't good. So now dot comes back to a team full of bodies and hard workers and everything. Like that and the clippers overachieved they make it to the first round of the playoffs guide lou williams and patrick beverley and denardo larry and shake alexander and mantra herald. And all of these guys you know the parts weld or hard their coach -able you know doctors talk about. This is the best most fun. I've had coaching the team in years and years and years. So they make it to the second round blah blah blah. Again rivers gets vote for coach of the year some of the luster. That was Taken off from the lobster era when he was a coach. Some the Some that reputation that was dented. Because of the way he handled that squad that was repaired in that one year. That the clippers overachieved then. They go out and get themselves and paul george and whoo ooh here. We go championship championship championship. In in that one year we see what happens. So i don't know exactly what to make of doc rivers becoming the coach of the philadelphia. Seventy sixers because how is he gonna deal with the relationship of joel. Embiid and ben simmons who i guess. They tolerate each other but they're never going to like each other they're never going to. I don't know. I don't know the. How much do you need for your star to quote unquote like each other. I mean i really don't care if they don't have to hang out with each other they don't want to hang out on the off season when each other they don't want to go boating and fishing or name their children after each other not interested in that bullshit but when they're together on the court when they're together in the facility when they have to work together are those guys going gonna mutually respect each other enough to get that done and i think so far with a relationship in in terms of the relationships regarding that with With embiid and simmons. I think it's to be determined. So what kind of impact is going to have all those guys legal to have the same impact that he had only had pierced garnett in allen or did you can have the same impact that he had when they had griffin paul deandre jordan or by paul george in the rest of the squad. It'll be interesting. Docket guy where is like look you know i'm a. I'm a veteran coach. Widow practice that much do too many walk throughs or any of that nonsense you got to professionals are expecting guys to go ahead and do what you need to do to get ready for these games. Are you going to put that. Trust into joel embiid. Are you gonna put that type of trust into ben simmons. It'll be interesting. It'll be interesting so moving forward. I think the best fit is tyler with the clippers. He served at the assistant. Under doc rivers last season. He's familiar with the clippers familiar with a roster familiar with the organization familiar with some of the things that brought down the clippers so he knows how to kill star who has a unique personality. See kyrie irving. He is used to coaching the ultimate alpha dog in sports. See lebron james. He's very good with players. You need direction and guidance and pushing pulling in some cheerleading. Some controlling to get the best outta them. She kevin love and he's also worked for an owner who up Unconventional shall we say dan gilbert so. I think some of the issues as far the a chemistry in the cohesion. I think some of the things that happened. Last season that was afforded kuwait. Leonard are going to be taken away. Especially paul george and you also have to remember that. These two guys george in george than leonard. These guys are should be coming back with something to prove. Especially paul george who basically right now. I think it's reputation somewhere around bitching mode. So he needs to comeback in really not. I guess it's gonna take to the playoffs to for the repairs reputation In terms of being one of the top players of the game regular season playoff regular season. Paul george great playoff piece sticks so this can go ahead and have fifty points a and twenty seven rebounds and eight assists for the upcoming season. That ain't gonna do diddley for paul george if he if he's not dominant or at least if he's doesn't really show up show out in the playoffs but i think in a situation like this i think tyler with the best best person to get it out of him so alabi interesting steve nash with the denver with the brooklyn nets. Hey the in. Mike d'antoni i think i think you're going after nate mcmillan. Another assistant coach. I've always said this. I mean you take both ends of the spectrum when you're speaking about these type of hires a players former players former great players who really haven't had any on the bench experience i mean we've seen guys like derek fisher with the knicks. We've seen guys like jason kidd with brooklyn nets we seen larry bird with the indiana pacers. Which one of those type of coaches is steve. national be. now. Larry bird had the advantage when he was coaching. The indiana pacers of aping wary. Bird respect there is immediate but he also had dick harter in. Rick carlisle to really really really good assistance on his staff. Recall al with the offensive coordinator. Dick carter was deeply supported. Harder was a life longer in terms of coaching in the nba. Rick carlisle with. Larry bird's teammate. When he was with the boston celtics we've seen the success that he's had. Now the dallas mavericks so bird had the advantage of having a really good coach staff with him when he coached those two or three years with the indiana pacers. That's one of the things i think if they can bring a nate mcmillan and you're speaking about having The offense coordinator Nate mcmillan being deported. Neither he was always known as a very defensive coach when he was coaching the portland trailblazers and the indiana pacers. So i think. The opportunity there for steve nash. The have good success right out the gate because you know the respect is going to be there now. Dealing with kyrie irving born sold and kevin durant whose mood swings depend on. You know what you tweet them or what you text them. It's gonna be interesting with that. I think one of the great things about then. Tony and nick mcmillan being those coaches. I think if they could get. Nick mcmillan that nash can really pay closer attention to the comings and goings in the mood swings. Or whatever you wanna call them akari irving and irving was one of these guys where you know. He didn't. he didn't mesh well with the boston. Celtics why because the celtics. You're dealing with jason tatum. When you're dealing with jalen brown and you're dealing with all these young guys who haven't been experienced enough in the nba to deal. What they personality like kyrie irving when irving was with the cleveland cavaliers. And you had veterans like richard jefferson and lebron and kevin love and channing. Frye and these guys when you go into one of these mood swings or go to one of these places you know personally personality wise and we'd go days without talking with anybody. No-one no-one on the cleveland cavaliers really gave a damn yet. richard jefferson. the shoulders channing. Frye disruptors shoulders. Kevin lumps shrugged shoulders. Whatever i mean. That's just caribbean career. Guess ain't gonna let it get to me. I think it ain't going to bother me. Lebron you know whatever laws he shows up and play. I don't give a fuck talking. Not i don't know i mean. When he was he comes out of this vote will still be here. So whatever. So that was the attitude with the cleveland cavaliers. Those de veterans fuck. Richard jefferson chaining. Frye we're trying to win championships. Only kyrie irving be buddy buddy with me when you take a look at the younger boston. Celtics into the young coach. Brad stevens Let me just say hello but kyrie. And he doesn't say anything to you if you're twenty year old jason tatum twenty. When you're all jalen brown just up there talking about this guy. Does he liked me. What's his problem and the other so. We saw that chemistry between those between irving in the celtics not mesh with the probably the only player who has played for brad stevens in the nba. Who probably doesn't have glowing things to say about him as a coach. Kyrie irving so i think with With tyrod lou dealing with that type of bullshit on a regular basis. I mean whatever. Whatever kawai uncle dennis throw at tyrod lewis like come on man i dealt with the bron a double the broad in Carey and dan gilbert. You think you fuckers scare me or intimidate me. And i'm under the tutelage of thinking anything scare me or or you know. Get my way of what i need to do. F off so. And i think lewis also a very good xs and os guy. Also but i'm speaking about steve nash. But steve desk. It's going to do well at the coach. Also so there you go all right to talk about here. Track views draft news news. Let me see nothing really too much that i've really discussed the thought about So let me see here. Number teams are interested into ruhollah through holiday. A of New orleans the lakers interested. In dhamar rosen come about the spurs nichols dispersed. Rec- calkins danny green ooh goody goody goody Let me see what else mavericks locally get better Zach levine looking to see what they can do about them so yeah one of the most part. That's good enough for right now with the nba. I'll have more later on the my next podcast. Speaking also happened this week in the nfl. So it's now time for college. Basketball is now is now time for college basketball. Can't wait. why can't we hit my music. Roller sports i'm your host wonderwall. Glad you could be with us. Final segment of the show headed down toward the finish line. Headed down toward the end of the show. I'm so glad we had this time to gather college basketball right around the corner. Ma'am talked about some of the top ranked teams. This season hasn't really gotten into an abyss focused on georgetown. Miss my georgetown. Hoyas so much but the top ranked teams the season. Baylor gonzaga iowa villanova wisconsin illinois illinois. How we're getting done. Virginia creighton west virginia. The oldest preseason top fifteen one of the reasons why did you take a look at baylor. Gonzaga villanova there. The three teams that are right at the top. Three or four. In the preseason rankings traditional power still making their presence known in the rankings kentucky is somewhere around number nine. They've got three transfers coming in. They still have the number one rated recruiting class at the time. Really you know but duke. And just jesse going after all of these are going after the number one guys calipari further times the twenty fifteen. He's had the number one recruiting class now. On those other years he finished. What number two number three. But this feature six of the top sixty five recruits in the twenty twenty class freshman top ten prospects in projected twenty twenty one. Nba draft picks are bj. Boston and platelet. Lebron james's kid out in La in terrorists clark duke. Just outside the top ten. They have no players in double figures today. Lost such guys as vernon carey a couple of others but you have window more anytime. You have a guy named wendell who's black. You know that handsome intelligent and you know that he talks a lot more freshman matthew hurt or now sophomore. And they're probably going to be the ones who are going to be asked to elevate and be the team. Leaders jordan gold wire and joey. Baker are the guys who are veterans who have been there for a few years. Then you have jalen. Johnson another another five star recruit. He's gonna make the biggest impact. Supposedly for the team in the freshman class is coming in. Jeremy roach from paul. The six over in fairfax virginia with record recruited by georgetown. The made the mistake of going to duke. He should do need to be the guy who's going to be the starting point. Guard another five star freshman. Dj stewart who played with tyler. Beard chicago Tyler beard is the guy who's going to be going to georgetown and twenty twenty one. He might start might not start immediately. But he's going to be listed offense for them off the floor once you get on the floor because he really shoot mark williams another guy. Georgetown was after. But he chose duke over louisville in mike jordan. He could be the guy to give them size and defensive ability he's going to be taking vernon carey's plays projected to take vernon carey's play so duke like i mentioned before they don't have the they don't have the recruiting class of an rj camera. Shirley thing like that. They don't have any guys coming in this year. That are going to be lottery. Picks projected starting the season but You know they'll still have. Guys who came into college has five star recruits top ten fifteen players. Top twenty players hurt. Who i think he's all right to put on a little weight. He's never going to be athletic enough to really get down on. Get down but as far as shooters concerned. He's going to be pretty good wendell. More as i mentioned before a great dane. He's a talented athlete. let's see if he can improve on the defense the offensive end. We know what he can do with a defense but those are going to be the two guys so it'll be interesting to see you and i think is more of a. I think this is more of a duke being duke type of glass half full type of deal when you take a look a- programs and you're trying to decide which way you're gonna go you take a look at the coach. You take a look at the program to take a look at the immediate history to say. Yeah intellectuality. I think those guys are gonna be able to do the things that they need to do for duke to be more relevant. Virginia's post to be up there. We'll see what happens for florida state. They lost a lot too. But you know duke is always going to be duke with coach k. Kansas still around the top ten. And i guess they haven't been put on probation yet right so they're going to be eligible to play for the for the ncaa championship. They lost their big man. They love dotson. Bill self is still going to be the guard. The coach until great popovich retires distracting so a lot of good things going on gonzaga interested in seeing jalen shrugged the guy from minnesota. The number one point guard in the country. A guy who thinking about maybe playing football. Also here's a guy be a lottery. Pick both to be a high highlander. The highest most Most of you know the the biggest recruit that gonzaga's ever had now since murphy was no longer than the little engine that could as far as the program with gonzaga now all of a sudden it's always going overseas to get themselves of some player to go through their school. Now all of a sudden those guys are in the mix for five star top ten lottery pick recruits. I know it started years ago a few years ago where they made it to the finals against Duke in the finals. I think he played dugan the finals. Where zach collins was the first guy for gonzaga to go ahead after freshman year to declare for the nba draft now. The zags are starting to get those types of players. So it'll be interesting to see the the environment or it's gonna be interesting to see now the direction. The program turns when all of a sudden now mar coaching guides. Who are not three and four star recruits or. You know having to go over to europe poland australia to get recruits to come over and play for their team. We saw that with jay wright. J. right i had to make that transition from here was a guy who was cool getting themselves. You know guys who were in the top anywhere between seventy five in one hundred terms of ranking is concern three and four star recruits led the redshirt. Let them grow. Let them build a program that way. Now j. reid is starting to get a lot more five star recruits. Ben jalan what the coaching ucla will. He got guys like russell. Westbrook wasn't highly thought of when he was a high school senior another. He built a really good team that went to the final four for multiple seasons based on guys like russell westbrook talented basketball players. Of course d one strong basketball players of course but they weren't highly recruited merely stick within the los angeles area than getting those type of guys when the all of a sudden started getting five star recruits from all over the country. That's when ucla were down. A little bit in jalan had to change the way that he recruited went back to his old style. So interesting to see if gonzaga's gonna make that turn to where the are gonna be recruiting the same type of player duke in kentucky and kansas and such where they're going to be one done it'll be interesting to see if gonzaga can maintain that success going for the players like that instead of the original formula that gonzaga murphy you had when he took over from dan monson years in years ago so interested in the colored basketball season starting but like i said for the first time in a long time. Michigan state kentucky. Duke they're not dominating the top tier of college basketball in the preseason rankings. We'll see what happens at the season goes along and we'll even see exactly what happens when you throw in the pandemic. How many games can be played. Are they going to be playing in the bubble type situation. Can they just get to the ncaa basketball tournament. The the ncaa basketball tournament. Is it going to be on time. How many team bubble. We'll see but i'm really interested really jonesing for the college basketball season to start windows world. Sports i'm your host window wallace so glad that you could be with us quickly. The ivy league careful the basketball season for the twenty twenty twenty twenty one season at part of a ban on winter sports due to the covid nineteen can remember. The ivy league was also first to cancel all of its fall sports in a first kansas basketball conference tournament in march. So if you're gonna have somebody lead in terms of college why not. Why not let it be the ivy league. Great harvard yale brown dartmouth pennsylvania in an eight lane liam produced no dummies lay producing jackasses. In terms of the folks who can't think folks can't make the money folks who can't either do some things number fuckers are gonna be rolling the world so you know it's it's also very nice you know it's the ivy league but it's also really nice that none of the players players parents or guardians or the local communities or the alumni or anybody like that are protesting the decision of the ivy league that they're not trying to bully the conference in the changing his mind to bullying the conference into trying to do. What's wrong instead of doing. What's right night to see. At least one conference out. There put meaningful actions to their words when they say the student. Athletes really does matter that they're really important to us. I know in the power five conferences. I know the power five schools especially when it comes to football all that is bullshit with those guys talked about how important the safety in in you know the the well being of the student athletes. We all know that bullshit would you speaking about the conferences and teams in the big twelve in the pack. Twelve in the acc and the sec in the big ten we know this nonsense is nice to see the ivy league schools. Which hey let's put it this way you know what clemson alabama lsu texas oklahoma. I get it. Their football programs are a lot more important to the school university. The local communities the financial state of those towns in those communities that in the state of football teams at harvard or dartmouth or yale or or pen or anything. Like that. I get it i understand it but still it's nice to know that they actually care in the show with our actions. No winter sports for the ivy league window world is sports. I'm your host wonderwall glad that you could be with us as a you before watson high school basketball between ten sizzle to sizzle my digital minnesota the defeated gypsy. Prep is seventy seventy one gypsy. Prep up there in your. What is it some place in michigan. You'll mc you'll embassy starts with a wines pronounced sooner he wants. That team is being features. Imani bates. He's the number one junior in the country team. Sizzle swizzle is being. is this star player. Chet hungry the number one senior in the country both plate. Well both justified ratings. Both finished with a double double beta thirty six Eleven for twenty two from the field. Ten rebounds whole grim dominated both ends of the court finishing with thirty one points. Thirteen hundred eighteen pulled up from three. Had twelve rebounds six blocked shots put the ball four between the legs behind. Baghdad's moved there he he. Hey i'm impressed watching this game. I don't know who doing the game in terms of on espn but then you focus part of. Are you related to homework or something. I mean are you guys the president of the czech hct fan club and you're asking for donations because the whole if i'm a parent the game of the other kids are on the court. May when i two guys. I'm slapping you in the face. And i'm telling you a few things off because everything was holding holding in home in home in home in home in bates based home in home and bait over at home it was like god dale fucking shit hole grid. Alright y'all fuck. dale kids. Good wants to play. As i mentioned before when he was going to junior year. He's good so play over here. Bishop gorman the At the nike tournament out here he's good good many weight people call him baby. Porzingas know be at the athleticism appointing when porzingas. I came to the league. But he's good. He's good one of my team. His top schools are gonzaga. Minnesota ohio state michigan north carolina memphis and and jewish at the man was smart. Let's take a look at this more few home. The nba players head coach right brick martinez. Kid i mean how much money can send over for homework to stay there. Ohio state michigan or howard understand that when north carolina. I mean you see what they've done with their last couple of one dollars necessarily little bust. Not playing much in portland coach. Anthony came into the season last season. As a guy who's supposed to be picked in a lottery everybody hasn't fallen to the mid twenties. Tom him out of the top of the the first round. And you're still gonna be going to north carolina considering north carolina memphis penny hardaway. I get it. But look what he's done with the team that he had full of freshmen. They underachieve and your wiseman he be going into the lottery. Pick penny truly get me pat himself on the back for that one but then he was going to go to college where he was going to be drafted to three or four in the nba draft. This upcoming season ellington couldn't play basically. He didn't play college basketball at all and he. He's gonna be drafted high so before we start. You know designate in the streets. About what a great evaluator great. You know the talent developer. That pretty hardaway is. Let's just calm down on that. One caldera makes me sick when he does all that shit. Hey my school we get to go to the nba. Because of john. Wall and demarcus cousins and anthony davis and michael kidd gilchrist. Those other guys. Those guys have gonna kentucky. I don't think they'd be in the league right now. Yeah sure yeah david if he wanted to do or be to gonzaga or if you went to michigan state or if he went to georgetown or if you went to villanova there's no way he would go to the nba hell. No i'd probably be playing overseas in china. But if you go to kentucky and if you play for john calipari will. You're destined to be a number one. Pick in the draft. Get the fuck outta here with that car salesman bullshitter about. Oh yeah. you're gonna buy school. You get to go the nba number one really coach k. Can't say that coach k. Can do that. I take a look at some of the guys that you put in the nba. Who are now doing some real work ban on a value tyler. Hero devon booker such. Why weren't they play. Like that in kentucky will tell so great talent so great. Tell us oh great. When he talked about for all those who sitting there going go to kentucky you'll be you know living large. We automatically put in the pros or really how was Harrison twins what team only playing for aaron goodwin godwin. His name was what what the five star recruits coming from a while ago. What team is playing for. How much big money. And how many all star games in new orleans. Noel making says he went to kentucky for a year. How 'bout daniel all the other guy. Daniel the guy who was supposed to go to georgetown switch and went to kentucky. There's another guy i think. He averaged three point game. Three points and two rebounds a game declare for the nba draft. He drafted in the first round. His rookie contract was over. We never saw him again. House kevin doing with the new york knicks. So you know this this nonsense about yeah you know you go to kentucky. You know you'll be You'll be home. I recruit believe me kids in college basketball. Who are in the top ten top fifteen. I would say about ten or eleven of them regardless of where they're going to be going to school is going to be doing in the nba. Matthew hurt planning for duke this year. Who's now off more with a five star recruit. Who went to duke as did kentucky kentucky not gonna have matthew hurt become a number one pick. Matthew hurt made the right decision to go back and play college basketball again. There was no school there was no situation. There was nothing that matthew hurt could have done but get himself eligible to get himself ready to be a lottery pick in the nba for his after his freshman season. Same thing with vernon carey lassie's and another number one five star recruit for duke. I mean this guy you think going to kentucky over central would have propelled him to be a lottery. Pick no no no no no chan- hold doesn't need to go to kentucky. The lottery picked jalen green. Did need to go to kentucky to the g. league right now. He doesn't need to go to kentucky. That'd be a number one. Pick kim kennedy ham. Who's supposed to be the number one. Pick for the twenty twenty one. Eight by all the prognosticators. We'll see how that pans out at. The year goes on. He needs to go to kentucky for that type of hype when calipari and all this other guy started talking about as gotta kentucky you'll be really nba. Yeah believe you if you get enough to go in the nba intelligent enough to the nba. Unless you you know murder your ex-wife and slice up the guy by bringing returning the glasses tour you'll be able to be drafted in the nba. A pretty high marks. So please give me that bullshit. Perry perry sales card of the used car salesman really get coach. But sometimes it's like man really really. We're going to go there with that okay by georgetown hoyas amendment with this excited. Have the non conference schedule filled out there gonna be playing fifteen West virginia on december. Six they're gonna be playing. They're going to open the season november twenty fifth against unbc maryland baltimore county. You would be ceased what returned four starters. Sixteen seventeen going to be a good game. They also are going to be playing navy december first. They also announced the date for syracuse. Instead of january sixteenth is going to be january. Ninth enjoy towns first. Five games will be played at mcdonough gymnasium without fans demand at georgetown when they play the senator cap center when georgetown plays that the phone booth the mci center there either so playing in front of nobody that you used to that stuff. the dig. Georgetown is going to be playing the met you before it games at mcdonagh future decision on public events at capital. One arena is pending. Dc governmental review. So who knows when georgetown might be playing at the capsule. At the a timid at the capital one senator again You know jordan going to struggle this year but the great news for georgetown national letter of intent day all of the players that georgetown recruited for the twenty twenty one season which has them in the top fifteen sixteen. As far as recruiting for the class jordan riley jalen billingsley tyler beard ryan but tombo the all signed. They all signed in. I'll be cited. Now we can get a me new muhammad the come to our school. Oh man that's going to elevate us to top five This guy has just been. He's been playing a lot of teams. I'm quite sure georgetown. One of 'em he won't he won't show his hand anywhere in terms of where he's going to school. Got me a little bit nervous. But i'm reserved. I got the guy. I've seen this kid jordan riley play. This guy's athletic shit. We got ourselves jalen billingsley to replaced demarco picket. We got ryan matombo. Who a guy who was a top one hundred four star recruit. This season is going to be about learning for georgetown. And for those who are sitting up there. Talking about georgetown's gonna finish last in the big east. I don't think they are. I don't think they're gonna be ennio anywhere top seven or eight but think they're going to do better than if we can get an entire season in which the chances of data slim but uh just take that into account. The georgetown is going to be better than the paul and st johns. I think they are. I think there's going to be some guys who are going to show out. I think john blair's in the show out. I think john kerry's you are played better than what people are anticipating. I think demarco pick it is gonna step up his game his whole summer. He's been talking about how dedicated he's been to improving in working out with coach couch and some of the things that he's been doing for developmental wise. You know that this is his last season in college basketball and at far all the players are georgetown guy had the most talented. You go ahead and play professional basketball. Make the most amount of money. I think that's some of the freshmen. Are going to play better than what most people anticipated. I think dante harris who wasn't overlooked prospect. I think that he's gonna do well. I think jabari simply is going to contribute. I think when you take a look at guys. Like colin holloway. If you take a look jay. Berger those guys i think one of those freshmen are going to contribute in a positive way this year. Wanting about patrick ewing this first two at the coach of georgetown. He pulled five freshman on the biggest team. James kinjo was the biggest player of the year. James kinjo was a guy who was ranked in the nineties. Four star recruit. Also one reason why. I like georgetown team. So much. Especially with this recruiting class. Both for twenty twenty an for twenty twenty one is if you take a look at you first. Couple recruiters of recruiting classes. A lot of them came in terms of jordan second. They committed somewhere else but something happened so they decommissioned they chose jor tempo from right from the get-go except for someone like a judge leblanc. Georgetown wasn't the number one pick demarco picket years ago. That wasn't georgetown. Wasn't his number one pick. I think he was supposed to go the tennessee or something like that but something fell through matt mclaughlin. Ted i committed to rutgers and the day situation happens decommitted. James kinjo was supposed to go to connecticut when the situation happen. So he switched over to george term. Now when you take a look at all of the recruits. Georgetown has for this year and for the year after this. All of them first foremost went to georgetown. Ryan matombo excited about going to georgetown. Tj burger excited about going to. Georgetown calling holloway started about going to georgetown dante. Here's really excited about going. Georgetown tyler really really really excited about gordon georgetown. So there is no second place. There is no well Constellation price with these guys showing their love showing this support for georgetown in fans are going to give that love the port right back so if georgetown finished somewhere around five hundred this season i think for you. That will be a marvelous job knowing what has knowing really have to work with in. The future is still bright with america's coach. Patrick ewing at the hell especially with the players that has coming in and other mentioned before he still in the running for a guy like chuck hogan he still in running for a guy like amid a meaning muhammad. When everything is said and done. I think chit grins going to go to the g. league. I think they're gonna offer him so much money. You guys gonzaga if you g legal agar jalen rugs Strokes as mentioned before his teammate. They played aau basketball. He was good saw him in person to the same time i saw hobart he was really good. So i'm just happy that You know we're doing some things to georgetown and Yeah that's about it. All right man. I am done i am out here. Time for me to Go ahead and get something to eat. Well thank you very much for listening to the program. Wendell's world sports are told you. Ma'am i talk basketball. Don't get me started. Because i can keep going going and flowing like villa so be smart love each other care for each other. Be concerned about each other. Hey mount where human beings we all. We're all we've got so you know. Be strong be safe. And if you're a good person stayed away you are music.