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92  Partner Spotlight on CDW  Solve for Customers and Do the Right Thing

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92 Partner Spotlight on CDW Solve for Customers and Do the Right Thing

"Help us understand. The prophecy saw not just in numbers in data but in the story behind what happened and then what was the the end result. So i'd say start with the end and it really good at storytelling to the different audiences. Welcome to the ultimate guide departing in this podcast vince. Men's down a proven industry sales and partner executive brings together technology leaders in this forum to discuss transformational trends and to deconstruct successful strategies. To thrive and survive in the rapid age of cloud transformation. And now your host vince. Welcome or welcome back to the ultimate guide to partnering. I'm vince men's yonne your host and as we kick off the four year anniversary of this podcast. I'm thankful to all of the amazing thought and business leaders who've come to this podcast to share principles success strategies and best practices that helped technology organizations thrive during this age of change and transformation for this episode of the podcast. I was delighted to welcome a friend and former colleague. Aletha noonan the senior vice president of product and partner management at cdw aletha is responsible for managing cdw's relationship with its community of industry leading technology partners. And i've known aletha since we both worked together at microsoft in this episode. We discuss her organization her view on the transformation her perspective as a successful woman of color and advice for partners on how to optimize for success. I hope you enjoyed this episode. As much as i enjoyed my time with a lethal noonan aletha. Welcome to the podcast. Avon glad to be here. Nice way for us to connect. Virtually i am so excited to sort of see you today and have you here as a guest on ultimate guide to partnering you and i've had the chance to work together while you're microsoft and of course also in your roles at cdw you're the senior vice president for product and partner management at cdw. So i am excited to welcome you here today to be here. So what an incredible journey and we will deep dive into that a bit later but for our listeners. That might not know. Cdw can you start by telling us a little bit more about cdw and the role you and your organization. Sure i love to do that so. Cdw is a global technology solutions provider. We have locations across the globe. We were founded here in france. Had chicago in nineteen eighty-four. Since then by way of organic growth and acquisitions we expanded our footprint across the globe presence in the uk and europe and canada and a very robust isn't here in the states. I'm responsible for product and partner management in my team really curates. The relationships the partner strategy the predator allegra-d partner investment in how we take our partner solutions with multiple partners to market through our to our end user customer segments. We reached across the cdw omni channel which is made up of north of two thousand on sellers in another four thousand pre and post sales engineers. Architects disturb customers. On essentially all verticals. It's astounding to me. How the organization has grown over the years. You're such a large multinational organization. Now and i have been partnering with. Cdw for many years over my career going back to. i guess. I'll call it the early days and i work with. Ias fees and other partners on how to be most effective partnering with other organizations. Why should these organizations partner with you and your organization. You know as i mentioned we we do business across all verticals essentially and i think really the the strength of. Cdw is our connection our connectivity with the end user customers and our depth of the relationships with end user customers customer of. I've been buying for ten twenty even near nearly thirty years and so relationships run deep in terms of activity in depth the relationship but also in engineering resources we've done installations we've done refreshes. We've taken november. I like to say that with many of our customers. We've seen them through all seasons so sometimes it might be an expansionist multiple canvases. Sometimes it might be or whatever that maybe we can have have grown up with our customers are jeff and our connectivity into the customers is is pretty deep and i think as we think about partnerships you know. Cdw's ultimate mission is to serve venues or customer to solve problems. And so we do that by way of a partnering. So i think it's a critical need for us to just stay focused on serving the customers in the segments in the markets back nita's and the only way we can do that was with healthy and robust partnerships. So i hear partner intimacy quite a bit in what you just said and also building these partner this partner ecosystem of partners to partner and working with these organizations and then you also mentioned a little bit earlier. I want to emphasize is a little bit. Like cdw really invested. I'll say early on to transition right from being that transactional partner to be more of a complete solution provider. Can you expand on that a little bit sure. You had started right back into microsoft days when we used to build our microsoft technology practices in have a layer of art architecture or engineering support in that pre sales process in. It's grown into very deep seated team and a technical sellers but also the overlay resources and ultimately a very large engineering footprint. I'm we think about where we are in the life cycle of customer decision making. We really moved to the left earlier on in that consultation process but we also are able to leverage the great strength of our transaction in our abilities is interesting because it came to play quite a bit is asked your when the pandemic hit and we had customers that were typically used just shipping into one specific physical location and then all of their accounting her were working from home and we had to get up and running so that distribution capability which is just a core had transactional strength really came into play a prior that we also had consult and design what you need to to have secure work from home or courses so it's really kinda the tale of two cities of we started as very strong transactional reseller annely evolve to a consultation a technology solutions provider with the of that that we selling arm to. Yeah and you've done a lot of work on that whole delivery and life cycle with your clients. While if i remember the i visited your distribution way back in the day and i saw the work that went on to embrace. The customer on all aspects of technology is interesting because we just had a very large on public deal of meaning public sector deal and it involved designing the solution installing and integrating the solution delivering it across the us and then post event decommissioning. Those devices in tens of thousands of devices. So when you think about you know that the where the businesses headed really is adding that the needs of the customer but that havoc technical lean but they needed to take place a hundreds if not thousands of locations or users. Now it's quite a capability that you have around that so you and i have been around. You've been around partnering for quite some time both microsoft and cdw. I coach organizations the leaders. On what makes great partnerships given your amazing said of experiences working with partners in multiple roles and now leading partner facing team. What do you believe makes what characteristics. Do you believe msc great partner if you think back to the eighties and nineties it you know. A lot of partnering was negotiating. It was about that negotiation in the win partnerships. Today i think about the essence of who we are and who wants to be in. It's really about deal making so we can mutually benefit the players in the partnership but ultimately serve the customer. So i think what makes a great partnership is is having that that lens in that clarity of mission were trying to serve whether it be for end user. Health estimates or k. twelve customers or a particular financial institution i focusing on that ultimate problem. We need to solve or opportunity. Whether it's in a larger group of similar customers are with an individual customer in knicks partnership. The charter the partnership. Easier to understand. Certainly following based on halloween this. We've we want to partner again. So yeah i think about partnerships in terms of how we have a mutually beneficial partnership to serve the end user customers and put us in a place where we can do this once or great partnerships. You find solutions that you replicate. I love that you know the one thing. I don't need a run on an iron all but we are hearing quite a bit from our oem's and particularly our opium's that are kind of lean into customer centric solutions and not just that horizontal play with vertical. Mitch plays but we are hearing more and more that as a differentiator and multi triage partnerships. How do we build masada solutions that we can bring to a set of customers with similar needs so as we think about specific verticals or smaller end user segments not just a segment like retail but really specific segment like a set of customers or take a customer's resale. It's a great way to bring the essence of what the customer wants but also bring all the different factors of multi members of that partnership think is going to be more and more critical. You know you bring up a good point. Because i recall very early on in fact. Cdw was probably one of the first organizations outside of microsoft to embrace more of an industry lens and a vertical focus. And i remember working with your public sector team very early on of course in my role microsoft to And you verticalised across you know. Even with education you broke it out and decay twelve and higher. Ed you have a nonprofit vertical team which is unusual for most organizations. So you seem to have that focus that a lot of organizations have an invest in it yet. So you know it's interesting because we have those mature verticals than i do. Recall as your in. Will lean of actor herships untying. I'm you worked really closely. With those mature. Verticals like healthcare and our government segments are education admits the other thing we we learned band says how it have that same lean but keep them in the segment so you know a customer may be a retail customer in our east region but also have commonalities of being a retail customer so we do have those mature vertical which tend to be very large goals where their behavior and their buying patterns are the same and then we have the software verticals where their means or the saying they they sit commercial are open organization but we have You know plays and messaging and marketing and intelligence around those verticals. I actually think as we think about bringing in multiple partners from different avenues of expertise. It's really an delivering customer. Centric vertical centric or horizontal spread. Centric solutions. cdw is capable about. You know we had. We take that into our ecosystem focus on a subset of customers. It may sit across. A number of different regions are vice presidents when you look at the partner ecosystem who work with. What do you believe are the biggest challenges that these partners face today. I don't know that it's new but it's awfully noisy. No so. I think that you know cutting through the noise. And having some level love your. There's something nice about being a partner or a solution that solves that problem and some of the time just being good isn't good enough because of all the noise in the ecosystem so i think how do we help Cw has how do we help. Partners bring their message to end user customers in tap into our reach and then how do we have them leverage our able so that our sellers. Now here's your theme and here are the priorities for this type of solution. You're the problems that it solves Customers because they just. There's a lot of input you think about. Even today is talking about this with some coworkers. Just days ago the hundreds of emails people have decided that e mail. Because you're working from home that emails to be long and detailed or click here. No one even wants to watch video. That's more than two minutes so it's tricky for partners partners. Who have ray things and trying to reach the end user customer. Tricky to get from that noise. You're you know. I talk about the fatigue. We're all experiencing where he were on zoom in team calls all day long and our sellers doing the same and they're fatigued by all of these mentioned. It's like really hard to even watch a two minute video and yet everybody's trying to get there like they're trying to get their message across to you and i work with these organizations and it's like you gotta be super crisp like what's the one thing that makes you stand out and it's it's not necessarily about the reason speeds of your technology. It may be about like we solve this problem better than anybody or were easier to do. Whatever it might be and to your point. I think it's getting that message like crisp and clear. Do you agree. Oh absolutely i think that anytime. You can use customer use cases or scenarios helps you know you think about those of us who are making decisions are buying and selling and in procuring in making decisions on what we're gonna pitch to a customer if you're accustomed making decision on whether you're pointed consume having it down to the use cases in the examples in the clarity of the the solve i think is so so important. You know i always say starch. Start with the end. So what is it. What is the end not. Don't don't do a build up because people have no time start. Start with the end. I have an step can solve this and we have examples of customers across these verticals or this particular set of customers. Or we've been able to do this. We find that that's kind of happens. Organically with our sellers but we do ask our partners to do that. How you help us understand. The prophecy saw not just in case numbers in data. But in the story behind what happened and then what was that. The end result. So i'd say start with the end and it really good storytelling to the different audiences. I will start with the end in mind is one of my favorite. It's comes from stephen covey. I think about it that way. And then the storytelling pieces. Well right we all have to get better at storytelling and telling brand story so such a good point. If you had a situation where a partner wasn't getting it right working with your team. What do you wish you had said to them. Now that you didn't say at that time thing about cdw's were so and we have such reach that sometimes partners make the mistake of thinking therefore we're transactional they just talk to is if Today was really the eighties. Because i was in the industry until ninety mega back to the snake. Another call you know. Give another impression whatever it may be in. It's really it's more than that. It's it's having a point of view that is focused on the customer. And i know we all say that but it reaches people you tell a story about the apparent somebody tells you a story about all. I have that problem dry. This whatever it may be focus on it. This is what the customers rejoined. We did this your attention. There is a partner recently had a solution. I'd never heard of still not sure. I know how to pronounce the oem name smaller partner. He was apparent at by its high school in any kind of caught me off guard and had real conversation with me and he told me what it did and so much more sense than the email i received a couple of weeks prior. I just get to the point but don't mistake reach for transactional. That's a really good point. I agree it goes back to that storytelling conversation. We were having an about being very customer specific. You know we have been living in this time like we're getting to the one year anniversary we have all seen so much. What are you seeing now in your business. You didn't expect to see besides everybody's kids pets on all which i think we've gotten a lot of grace around that right. We don't you know it's okay. If the kids are in the room and the dog's bark it is interesting. I think that the connection of the reality that people have lives outside of work really kind of humanizes all of us. So i've seen that. And i think it sort of helps take some of the fatigue guest to know that you have it onto our our ceo scenic all the other day Offer inviting is kind of nice that she forgets to. Because i know. I forget so having that a human element i think is can helped with the pace of the work that we're doing you know the that we've seen i've seen a lot of is just as better. Perception of what is important. What is not important. I think early on. We expected people to always be on video because all the sudden you're working from home more together and now there's this sort of expectation that y- video videos appropriate but still okay to make a phone call where the first few months i felt like it was like a trial and error. I feel like we're in a position now where people can be productive but also not be held to the standards that are almost impossible. You know in in no real world setting what you'd be physically staring at somebody for nine hours. Yeah such a good point right least you know we forget the fact that we walked down the hallway. We had a little bit of a break. We grabbed a cup of water. And then when we're sitting in the meeting you know candidly a lot of us would do. We'd be on. We'd also be on our computers and our phones while we were listening to the conversation. But we weren't staring all the time about ready. That's right so talk to me about your team as well. I know that you had a tragic death in your team. One of your co workers died of covid this year. How are you coaching your team differently. Now this time since we talked about this a little bit. And i have to say my heart is broken. Not just for on my coworker in his family and all of us but really just Circumstance of tragedy. That is in our country. Why thing i can say. Though having lost a coworker and really tenured the industry we received an outpouring of stories of the impact that he made of the relationships that he had. I mean they were just beautiful wanders wonderful stories and sometimes they were these long stories of really specific about a thing other times they were like. Hey he hired me. And i've always been inspired or whatever it may then but it occurred to me. I often do. We tell people who are alive. The impact are making on us. You know. I think that as you think about being a leader whether it's a you know in a business relationship like you a need were do business together or being. Somebody's direct reporting leader or ease. Who does business with someone. How often do we say. Hey thanks you made me feel great and you also helped me move my initiative forward or that moment in time. When i had a bad day you called me into the office. I appreciated that. Were thank you for giving me the extra time to work on his project. Because i got to new people. I would never meet so. I am voting myself accountable to giving people more feedback on those moments in time. That made an impact with me. I know that people feel like they matter. They do better work. And they feel better about themselves and yemen that we are experiencing this tremendous amount of teague and uncertainty with him denic and all of the things that have happened in our country. What better time to get good at on checking in with people and not just saying. Hey atta boy that saying a story that day. Do you remember that time you did x. y. and z. Were just yesterday. I used an example. You gave me you referenced even covey. Who's a book but there's people that we think about daily because of a decision. We made our remark. As i'm talking to you. I'm thinking about when we used to work together. And how kind words to me. I was new to the team back in the industry. I've been staying home with my kids for five years. But you probably know that so. I think we all need to be feel better in what better way to feel better. And also spin the flywheel of great things happening than the tell people really specific about how they're making an impact. Wow that was Thank you very much for that compliment. And you're probably right. I don't remember that specifically do remember working with you. And i'm really enjoying working with you. But you said some really insightful. Things here about this year that we've had that's been like no other and i do want to pivot a little bit about you and your professional background but also dive in a little deeper on the topic of diversity inclusion first of all. You're a woman you're also in a leadership capacity and a major company. Cdw and a black woman and have worked abo- cw microsoft to major corporations and maybe a year or more ago we might just have a watered-down conversation about our upbringing in our life experiences. You know. I feel like we're at a different point now. And i think it's good to have more deep and meaningful and authentic conversations on on this topic. Would you mind telling our listeners. A little bit more about aletha where you grew up your background your experiences that shaped your path in trajectory and gotcha this place. I think we'd love to learn a little bit more about you. Know one thing. I'll say is the one thing they know about me as a black woman is now. We're not all the thing so it's interesting when you're in a smaller group whether whatever that dimension of diversity may be like oh there's the girl table oh what people think so by nature of having just one or two. There's this expectation that you can represent this larger ruben. We're not all the same. I had caucasian mom and a black dad. I grew up in a private catholic. School is one of the only brown people think goes the only person in grade school and then i went to a more diverse. high school. Parents were working class and i was on scholarship. But it wasn't free. But you know i was on the lower end of the economic profile of my peers. But i don't have this same story that necessarily all round in black people have but there is some things we have in common as you move into the professional world and i think about any school in ninety two had my first job in the summer of ninety two and joined the technology industry ninety four so as long as i've been a professional workplace. I generally that first ten or fifteen years duck out you know maybe even more so because i was a woman in tech and so there is something that goes along with sticking out and having to fit out sometimes you may see that shaw is sharp edges and sometimes you may see that as what you mean by that feeling slightly ended. It's interesting when you're a black woman or for me. Particularly either you get kinda generic feedback or you get feedback on where you need to develop and that is. That is a thing. I remember having and i could be the number one on the board and the number one in trivia to the business but i was told what i needed to work on to fit in so i've had this kind of background of having to fit in and having to always make it work i remember why and this is a more feminine. Lean being in the room with our second. Ceo three of us off site was a forty people in the company and so is the the sales directors on through the executive committee and it was just a handful of women at the company at the time and three of the handful of us were sitting together. And they they told us to separate and simple but if you just hire more women you. I'd never had a separate so you. If you think about the experience of being a person a black person you kind had a set of things that are happening in an although you could say well you start from the same place because you started in the same job. It's not necessarily the case. There's often you maybe two or three generations away from slavery or already. That's not uncommon in the black community. It doesn't mean you're less intelligent less capable but you're set of examples instead of things to draw upon might be different so i think one element of me personally. I'm i'm not exactly the same as all the other black people nor or or day. But then there's also this commonality of when you have brown skin and you are you suffer from a certain set of things i mean. It is not rare that i've gone into a meeting round the biggest boston room in many looks at me and you know they they wait for somebody that wait. A person of power is usually a caucasian man to make the remarks now branded now there's social media and hopefully people rather background and seeing the vitchers but if you think about growing up in a world where you have to prove yourself from the moment you walk in the room. There are some things that happen. I had the great fortune of having people. I work for or cdw some capacity that. I've had the great fortune of having people try a little harder with me or recognize that i'm interested in. I also made myself a really available early on in my career i was. There is an opportunity to volunteer Founder one of the charity work charities. he did. There was an opportunity to volunteer. I knew i should volunteer because it would give me access to the senior leaders. So i kinda got to know them and i think i took it upon myself to have people get to know me for my work and my capability but i had to do that. So if you fast forward to where we are today on bryan stevenson. Who i in the world Fortunate hearing speak for five years ago we wrote just mercy and many of you probably heard of these social social justice activist. I know that a lot of people have a lot of companies of tom speak but he has a concept of proximity in. It's about how know the answer your question in. how can you help. Showed people if you're doing it from this like ivory tower and not really know where they're coming from so as i think about my personal experience as a senior leader or is a young black woman i think about so much of it was when people know you up close and hear your perspective or your potential than it takes away strips away. Some of this. Well we can hire. This person has had this special job. You often see like the black women. Black people in the women center fifteen years ago were always like the but they were the vp but they were the dp. There was a dp light. You really wanna know that you're doing well and check it you're doing well. You have people of all dimensions rang big businesses. pnl's in if not navy or not giving up close and personal those people that have had great potential and promise so i do think there is a lot to be said about getting to know people and understanding them as opposed to well. They need to work a little harder to. I'll give you one more story. There was a young black man that sat in the same floors me. I worked at the downtown office. Cw these last couple of years. And i talked to him off. And i've got my way to check out on him. It was just a nice friendly one of our newer tender co workers. In one day talking. I just love that. He had the courage to always liked Put his head my office. Did you have a few minutes or want to get in on this. And we were talking about something and he said it was having a hard time fitting end so he wants a a an unnamed minority by count and i said well you know we do these happy hours and he's other social events and he said i even have a hard time with small talk. This young adults grown up in such such a different environment that he says i didn't grow up to eat or going on vacation so he said i have a hard time. This had i not had that conversation head put in room my mighty to the event. Make it work. It's not necessarily the same so as if we weren't run diverse teams than nba high performing country or economy than we have the light. All people not just the people who have the fortune of great zip code last name or family inheritance. Boy you brought up you unpacked quite a bit here. And i think what i got out of it. The most was that the what we project that people are how. We don't want to use the term stereotype. But i guess. I i should we projected people because they come from a certain background or of a set certain color or they're women versus men even when we don't think we're judging we are subliminally judging or casting them into a mold and what i think. I think i heard you say is. They're all different molds and we can't we can't always assume that everybody fits in or has the same experiences that we've had like this young gentleman you're talking about sound. I think so much of it is just really about that. Let up close and personal connections of of inspiring people to be all that they can be that. You can't do that. China with a textbook you gotta get closer to the people in closer to the to the groups of people. Events is still. I'm i'm married to an attorney. I live in a nice zip code in chicago illinois Senior vice president of a fortune. Five hundred company is still will walk into places where i don't get talked to by the retail setting. I don't get acknowledged for fifteen or twenty minutes. And i'm not wearing my bad news sweatshirt. I'm just like a normal woman. They're just assuming that. I can't leave those places or i watch. Sometimes i just observed so. It's not a moment in time when you're a person who has been in a culture that A world that is okay to to dismiss people of color and talking about this black lives matter all lives matter alive certainly matter but we've had in this country the experience where it's located at black lives matter less. You know i remember. I remember as a child remember as a child. I started my grade school year later. Because i was on the wait list for a catholic school and i started the grade school year later. I was the star reader in first grade. I got the second grade. They would not mean that talk. Reading group would not let me talk grading Outreach anybody in the room it took forever. I remember going home inclined in my mom probably made in your was going on but i there is no doubt in my mind reflecting back on that they they didn't part of his anyone is set me up fairly failure but houses. Young black girl going to be the star reader. So you know if you're a person of color and you say black lives matter. I certainly while lives matter. I i i love white man. I'm married one. But i have to say there isn't reality of. I have clubs in when i was in high school. They were clubs. I wasn't allowed to go into my friends. Were allowed to go. They wouldn't let me brown v board every black people. Maybe they'll have brown people in. They certainly didn't let let people be numbers and i in the fact that i had friends that would go her feelings in her life. Feeling that i grew up. And then you grow kind of sometimes. Yeah you're old offensive. Maybe you want assume good intent. But i don't get the privilege of sending my kids to college without looking at the dimension of diversity. I'm like i don't want my daughter to go to college. Has one percent of blacks in two percent of other race. You know so if you think about all of the layers of didn't experience it's real but the only way that we can light up everybody and motivate. Everybody is by getting to know people and assuming good intent on understanding that people start from different places. Really good really good feedback. Karen good points you've raised. I'm curious because you had pets such a stellar career. It was there some coaching along. The way was their mentor. Some or group of mentors was there some piece of advisers some philosophy that you took forward that helped you to become like this amazing success. This amazing person by the way we've got to work together. I just think that you are just very kind. An amazing individual. I would say not. Everybody has both the skills and the grace that you have like. Was there something along the way that that really like. Set you on a path. I appreciate that. Thank you for saying that. I don't find myself to be mazing. But i am. I didn't the half century mark. I decided in the last you know however many years i wanted to i wanted to be kind and i wanted to assume good intact so i do believe that most people are good sunday. Fundamentally believe most people are. i think we're more allying than we are. And i approach things like that. So i approach things that if i if i feel offending someone or someone's offending knee i think maybe we're just not enlightened or not seeing the same way i generally and genuinely believe that there is more alignment than than send people are so caught up in focusing on the dissension. That is a thing that i that i conned to our short because of my own experiences i had mentors all along the way. And some of the more like dignatories. Like i'm going to mention humor. Irregularly off about this is a little moments in time i remember when i was a young sales person on pretty good. I was really good. And i. I was on this on seem for the guy who's was working for the alan weiss as you know typically two or three on his team in one day show me the numbers and he said why are you all number one. You should be. You should get a topless every day. You're the best person i have. That moment in time was all i needed on. This is the best deals better. Show a salesperson so i do think there's small moments of men impact that really make people go. Oh i think. I wanna go to war. I can't. I can't let them down either aggressive person. And then there's there's big moments where i was about to take a job. I was newer at cdw. There was the founder who was michael kassian in the number to the president. Who who's great. Zemun i was about to take this other job and my boss said well and i probably about nine months in his sales off to a great start in greg. Zemun said i wanna talk to him. So i didn't agree is cdw five or six hundred people. Maybe one hundred and twenty sales people. But i didn't regularly engage with the president. So he said greg that i want to talk to her before she takes the job so he brought me in his office. I remember calling my friend's mom so my parents were in blue collar working lassen. They had great advice. That just wasn't necessarily corporate vice. So i remember calling my friends. Mahmoud worked fried beyond with of independently would mentor both of us. Because she was my roommate and she had been attacking. Choose my step. Mom would regularly talk about things and i called her and i said so i was going take this other job and i would get my base. Salary would go up with just not my variable compliment. I would have been a salesperson. Take this job at at. Cdw and she said well. It's a couple of things if the president doesn't want you to take the job you probably shouldn't take it. Because why would the president pay attention you in in that job would still be there in a couple of years. Really thank you wanna do so. You may want to listen to and i said okay. Well i'm not gonna take the meeting. I don't really wanna talk to him kind of afraid. Right twenty five north comedian she goes. Oh yeah you're taking the meeting because when you ever going to get in one or the president again. Here's our unity with free conversation. Got me this regular dialogue with. cdw's presidents. i took the meeting and he gave me some great advice that day. Two and part of it was dream a little bigger. He said you know. I know you could do this other job. But i think you could be a star here and any just expressed tremendous belief in me in normal conversation and again i was hadn't been in the workforce very long and i didn't know i wasn't that old but he was older than old wealthy professionals me in their office having a conversation with me so it was a great conversation and it was a real conversation right talk for half an hour beginning his perspective of how he grown up and you know but he really said you know you should believe you can do these bigger things and uh part of the opportunity for you so i have lots of mentors along the way on the early in my career is moments in time that really matter genetically think well. Maybe i can do this. I love that so lots of advice and learnings along the way from several models you know. I'd like to spend a moment we talked. I asked you about personal philosophy. But i wanted to dig in a little deeper here on this one and i think i heard some things along the way. But is there a personal philosophies when when a lethal wakes up in the morning when she when her feet hit the ground like is there a way you start your day or you think about life. Well i had a couple of thoughts and you have a philosophy. And i hear two years ago. I heard norman schwarzkopf. Today make a decision. Do the right thing. And i do spend a tremendous amount of time thinking about doing the right thing in making decisions my personal and professional life as a mother as a neighbor as a worker as a leader on but it really kind of is a is a grounding guiding principle for me and the other one that i that i think about any other kind of you know besides the my daughter tell us my my youngest daughter lexi always says. She doesn't ever want to go to bed mad so she will come in and give me a hug and kiss even she was teenage teenage snooty that day but there is this kind of things you live by about how you wanna be as a person or whatever it may be but the other one for me is really about. The camera is always rolling. And i just. I want to play back the real. Mvp good about it. And i also wanna be aware that. I think i think about this. This is advice on gifted to young people. When you're looking for a new job or an opportunity or you want like you and i about earlier to have good partnership you wanna have people to roll back earlier. Interactions with you. And that's really where their relationship or the or the trust was so. I have a big point of view getting and building relationships over time so much more important than any one moment in time. Either the adam grant i think growth gopi of intake. And i'm i'm all about. What can i do to help. Other people. with their journey. There is a woman who called me yesterday. My daughter did some service work organization and she wanted my advice on some project. she's working on. I have no idea what the conversation in just decided that. I didn't have any time. Because i assume i never have any time. I probably wouldn't have taken the call. This woman was a big influence in my daughter's life and on the service that she did for her she went on a trip to honduras with our so. Of course i'm taking it. So i just have this point of view though a generally take any call or support anybody in a way that i can. If is a small moment that i believe the camera is always rolling. Whether it's an and people are gonna play that that cameron air long term decisions about you. I believe in making a lot of deposits. And i don't wanna make deposits so that i can have a tit for tat relationship but i just believe that having friends and putting good things out there. Maybe somebody'll be good to me or my family or my coworker one day but in the meanwhile the it goes back to to doing the right thing referred to that somewhat as an abundance mentality right get more than you wish firm return and then you said you know do the right thing and the camera's always rolling. I love that. I love the both of those. If we had a boat billboard for you. I think we put that on. There is another one are ready for prime time. Podcast we could have. The version is next time. Maybe over a glass of wine but you know speaking gaza lie if you were hosting a dinner party and this is at a time when we all get together and not worry about masks and social distancing. Maybe we'll have our vaccines at that point. You can invite any three people to this dinner party from the present or the past the join your amazing dinner. Who would you invite to that party. And why well never good at these questions. I don't remember seeing on the preview but was at the bottom now once while i'm reading about somebody or something i'm like. Oh that's the person. I would invite to dinner party. That's the one what i would certainly invite my mother. She has been dead for thirty years and she kind of everything about everything. Now that i'm a mother. I know everything but my mom was a waitress at a like a fancy dining she hit. She knew how to you how you dress somewhere but your napkin and she also had a very fine. Dining kind of taste. Buds says she knew how to cook. Can she knew how to dress. She was a great party guest. I'm in fact. I'll tell you one story about parties and i'm going to go back to that list. High was born on december. Twenty third and i was raised catholic so we was born near christmas. And we believe in christ in santa claus so my mom for years host. A neighborhood party for me and santa would be invited and all the neighbors would be invited. I know i did know this time but she would have the neighbor. Parents give a gift so she would contribute the santa to the party and then all of the people would bring a gift ahead of time. So we'd all come to my birthday party in. Everybody gets me. Santa hit again. I think that ended right around time. I was like eight or nine when somebody got a better gift of me on. This really is the best party. So if i were having a dinner party in inviting anybody i served my invite my mom and i get to more people. I probably bite. Barack obama a sure a lot of questions for him. You know as i think about my own story. And i think about my own point of view i have this tiny little place on the map of history. Has this big place in the map of history. I want to know what it was really like. I did read michelle's becoming and i really related to it because she raised her kids in chicago and she talked about being a professional woman working married to a man of who broke ally barrier. So i'd really be interested in hearing quite a bit from him. I think that that would be super interesting. And then i would invite sean connery. Because why wouldn't you invite sean connery. I saw a couple of reasons you know. I want to know about his double of seven story. But also i really wanted my favorite actors ever and i wish that he was still ceased on your. He just passed away this past year though for the holidays so i would invite sean connery. I think that he is a great actor. I thought he was a a man of many things. And i realized watches movies with my husband and is one thing that one of the entertainment things that he and i have in common and the jenner to vodka. Martinis shaken not stirred or whatever it was and we end. My mom could make them there. You go sounds like a great party off to come visit. You have been an amazing guests. I wanna thank you. You are that person that you described earlier like you took the call right away. When i said hey would you come and join us cyrano. Ultimate guide to partnering. But you know. I'd love to ask for our listeners. I didn't ask you this earlier. About partners like closing comments and advice that you would have to our partner listeners. On engaging with cdw and how they can optimize their own success. This year like anything. You're omar you know where there is a a play or a point of your solution. Adjacency that we do have quite a bit on our website. So there's an opportunity to have a really kind of focused ask. You know i would say if you're having challenges reaching cdw connecting cdw. You can always email me. I'll find you the right person. Which is a leap pet. Cdw dot com. But i think if we focus on the customer and there's a story behind it will find somebody to to listen to that story. Oftentimes partners that are new or not as mature in a relationship with us a great success by finding a few sellers in us releasing engineers or architects to talk about their shared view of how this solution solves customer so gains internal advocacy is always a great idea. That goes a long way and we find that itself business or customers are already using it or interested in it is certainly goes online a love that aletha thank you. So much for being a guest on ultimate guide to partnering. Thank you thank you for having me so nice to virtually see you and i can't wait to listen to the cast much as with each of my episodes. I appreciate your support. Please subscribe on your favourite platform like comment. Tell your friends about alta guide to partnering and where they can find us. And i'd love your feedback. Please like the podcast and provide comments or reach out to me and then men's yonne on lincoln twitter facebook and instagram. You can also like and follow to guide partnering on our facebook page or drop me a line at vince at ultimate dash partnerships dot com. This episode of the podcast is sponsored by ultimate partnership's ultimate partnerships. Helps you get the most results from your partnerships get partnerships right optimized for success deliver results for more information go to ultimate dash partnerships dot com. Thanks so much for listening to this episode of the ultimate guide departing rink with your host. Vince men's ian online at ultimate guide to partnering dot com and facebook dot com slash ultimate guide. To partnering will catch you next time on the ultimate guide to partnering.

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The Polybius Conspiracy (GT Mini)

Ghost Town

11:23 min | 7 months ago

The Polybius Conspiracy (GT Mini)

"Support for this. Podcast comes from progressive. What would you do with an extra eight hundred dollars. Buy a plane ticket paid on your student. Loan treat yourself to those shoes. You benign with progressive. You could find out drivers who switch and save save an average of seven hundred ninety six dollars on car insurance get your quote online at progressive dot com and see how much you could be saving national average annual car insurance savings by new customer survey who save with progressive and twenty nineteen. The video game that plays you. I'm jason horton. I'm rebecca leap. And this is ghost town You're usually the went cornered the market on a video game conspiracy retro technology. But i found this very interesting case. I guess about the police. I hope i'm saying that right. It's a video game that may or may not have been that killed people and it's very rare that we see urban legend proven true. But this has all of that too. So we're gonna be talking about the police conspiracy today. Pleaded starts as a kind of vintage video gamer urban legend in the two thousands. Actually the urban legend goes police was a mystery arcade game that apparently appeared in several portland. Suburbs around nineteen eighty-one the machines cabinet body. I guess was painted entirely black and it was rumored that the stern looking men would sometimes visited the arcade where police was placed to collect information from the machine possibly testing the players response to its psychoactive effect before disappearing with said information the game at a strange effect on its players also. It's described as being literally addictive with lines forming around the machines and fights erupting over. Who had played next. That doesn't seem that abnormal but players also supposedly suffered from horrible side effects including amnesia insomnia night terrors and hallucinations. The company that created the police game in most accounts of the story is called boy here. We go cynics lotion. Which means in german sense delete or sensory deprivation. The words meanings are derived from the german words. Ciga- senses and lotion to extinguish or to delete. Though the they're combined this is a bit of a stretch. Rumor has it so we're taking this one step further that it was the cia. Experiments spun off from m. k. Ultra the psychoactive drugs. Study conducted on unsuspecting subjects a giant conspiracy collecting data from unsuspecting preteens and teenagers while systemically destroying their minds approximately one month after its supposed released in nineteen eighty-one police said to have just disappeared without a trace and the legend but is the legend. Not quite let's take a little break support for this. Podcast comes from cdw hp cdw. We get new ways of working bring new threats. That's why we started an office. Commune in the wilderness. Not a security concern around unless you count the walls you know. Cdw dishonest security solution using hp devices with real time threat. Intelligence to help protect your data anywhere you work anywhere. Dress technology that moves you forward trust. Hp it orchestration by cdw people who get it learn more at cdw dot com slash hp security while. We still don't know where the police game came from. The earliest confirmed a record of it is from an arcade game resource called coin. Op dot org and february six two thousand the entry mentions the name police and a copyright date of nineteen eighty one although no such copyright has ever been registered sometime prior to september two thousand three kirk caller the owner of coin op dot org submitted. A message to the video game magazine game pro about police please then appeared in september. Two thousand three issue of game pro magazine apart of a feature story on video games called secrets and lies. This is the first known printed mention of the game. The article declared the existence of the game to be quote inconclusive. Which of course fed a lot of interest in the game and the mysteries around it. A lot of people believe police isn't real. That colour created it to give coin. Op dot org a little bit more traffic cachet. What have you after a game pro. A man named steven roach claimed he had been more of its original programmers and that his company developed a game with very intense and cutting edge graphics according to roach a boy experience an epileptic seizure while playing and the company pulled the plug on project. Although roach offered no proof irs claims historian added details on the game. Play of previous. Which again excited everyone and inspired spinoff game based on previous but there are some facts again. You don't see a lot of people come forward about an urban legend other facts. That are hard to ignore brian. Dunning host of skept toyed podcast did some investigative work and found that a twelve year. Old named brian morrell had become sick. Enduring twenty eight hour marathon video game contest in portland in nineteen eighty-one playing asteroids. He apparently drink too much soda and experienced some stomach discomfort. Guess soon after two other kids all got sick after playing video games in arcades in the portland area michael lopez got a migraine. The i never had from playing tempest eighteen year old competitive gamer jeff. Daly died due to a heart attack after chasing the world record and preserve when you're later nineteen year old. Peter rakowski filed suit dying in the same way playing the same game. Just a few days later portland. Arcades raided by federal agents who seized cabinets that were being used for gambling coupled with existence of a real arcade game named polly play. It all feels a little bit more than an urban legend pretty convenience honestly if you can suspend some disbelief says documentarian brian lou. Who's trying to make a documentary about the police conspiracy back in the early eighties. Arcades weren't the safe haven that people think they were. Drugs are a big part of what went on. Gambling was a big thing as well there were. Fbi that came up to the portland area and placed hidden cameras cameras and actually tracked people through their high score initials after they left so there actually was an fbi. Ray that people remember but then they remember that they actually were. These men black figures that would go there as well. So some say they weren't trying to brainwash kids. But they were trying to keep tabs on the arcade. So you've got people seen these kids getting sick seeing these bus. Go down and seeing this police presence. It's the perfect fertile ground for conspiracy theory. Furthermore police exist today. As a trademark term for providing online downloadable software for games and has been in use since two thousand seven a little bit late but again you can decide to what extent this urban legend is real ish or total bullshit. I've actually spoken to brian from skeptical. Just name came up. And i was interested engine. You know he's a skeptic. Yeah really good Podcasts and such you know makes me think of a couple things. One is the idea of a video game or some collecting information and data. I mean that. Is we do that every single day. Yeah right laming has become reality volunteer that essentially when you when you save terms of services and just as somebody who grew up playing video games like tempest and and resercher and reserved and now pacman in the early eighties at the roller rink or something like that was super dangerous. It's just too early eighties. I wasn't dangerous all the ring. A coke like coke pl- trafficking place amazing. But think about the interesting thing is when human brains were not necessarily. Unless you're like a programmer. Previous to nineteen eighty-one human brains weren't like being like. Oh i'm going to be playing video my brain and eyes and synapses and reflexes. It's something that learned over the years with computers and cell phones. We've essentially rewired everything. Yeah the sense to adapt to that. And then you know they find ways to psychologically get you to watch more engaged or whatever the case may be so whatever it was happening back then is an. I'm sure the adjustment of looking at a screen and seeing these things happening. You don't know how you're gonna react because you know reacted to before. So the fact that people are getting sick or it's affecting them in an adverse way or or at least not expecting seems pretty legit. Yeah humid and having a heart attack after playing a ton of video games like was new. Surely drink a ton of caffeine. And we're not taking care of themselves during this giant span of gold on tab tab nuts and you can't stop drinking tab if you're playing if you're a marathon gamer it just it doesn't work out that way. Which is all these things and yeah it feels like it's kind of foreshadowing what we experienced now pretty much every day. But we do it voluntarily knowing that like oh. This is bad for my posture. This is bad for my eyesight. This is bad for my social interaction. You know what i'll say is probably one of the few things you can do to combat. That is listening to podcasts. And really specifically the way. It is a perfect synergy of what we're saying we're saying the tones of voice that will make you a better person. Wow according to who according to us in nineteen eighty two we pack up and disappear. This episode is brought to you by ten ten. Now you may have read about this in the new york times and we're excited to tell you about it. 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354: Selling Value - Rich Madara

Daily Sales Tips

04:10 min | 1 year ago

354: Selling Value - Rich Madara

"You're listening to the daily sales tips. PODCAST I'm your host Scott Ingram. Today's tip comes from rich. Madera rich is as a sales capability advisor at CDW and a regular listener to the show which just goes to show that you can do more than just listen. You can also contribute attribute. Here's rich I everyone. My name is rich. Madera in my tip today is about selling value what that really means and how to do it. More effectively one of the easiest pitfalls a seller can run into is reducing their price to move a deal forward rather than demonstrating and selling the value is often has several undesirable or unforeseen side effects. Of course you now have reduced revenue and profit or you've set unrealistic expectations speculations for your customer about future purchases. Think about it. We've all had that one customer. Who got a great deal from you or someone in your organization? Once upon all the time and now they always ask for the same discount over and over in my opinion the worst side effect is that you the seller and all the time I am an energy use spent to close the deal is now undermine would I mean is it instantly cheapens you in all of your hard work. Your time is worth something. But it's easy to talk about selling value and typically much more difficult to accomplish let's start with defining value for our purposes from my experience value can best be described as the difference between the cost of something and the customers perceived benefit the wider. We can expand this gap the better but there were only two ways to do this. We either lower the cost to the customer or increase increase the perception of benefit lowering. The price is the easy way out. How can we increase the customers perceived benefit? The answer. Her to this depends on you. Your customer and the relationship you've built up to this point. Maybe the customers benefit was not that. Ah they were able to save a percentage of this year's budget allocation but they have their back against the wall in a time crunch in the really needed to roll out a new program program quickly. The value provide here is time. You gave your customer time back in their schedule when they really didn't have it. Maybe there is a complicated project your customers working on and they don't have the expertise to complete it in house but your organization does the value you provide here for. The customer is assurance in ownership that the job will be done correctly which justifies the increased price. You can charge arch. Value can manifest itself in many ways. We just talked about high and assurance but your customers value could be a feature set on on the new product line. It could be whichever solution makes them look like the biggest rock star to their boss or maybe just a convenience factor that competitors don't offer and they see value in making their job easier. It's up to you to find out how to elevate that perceived benefit and the key to this this is in the word perceived. What is your customer's perception of this interaction in order for you to maximize the gap between cost benefit? You need need to understand your customers perception of the situation and demonstrate that you understand not only what they need but why they needed it. Thank you for listening to my daily sales dip. I hope you find it helpful and wish you all happy selling to connect with rich. Just click over to daily sales dot tips hips forward slash three fifty four and at the very top of that page. You'll also find a submit. A sales tip link where you can learn how to contribute your own tip tip like rich which I hope you will. Thanks for listening and be sure to come back tomorrow for another great sales tip.

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WhatTheBuc is Going On?  A Conversation with Derek Fournier

The PewterCast : A Tampa Bay Bucs Fan Podcast, Buccaneers

1:15:10 hr | 1 year ago

WhatTheBuc is Going On? A Conversation with Derek Fournier

"Support for this podcast comes from CDW and Dell Technologies. BET CDW WGC. We get the migrating agency to a hyper converged infrastructure is challenging me switching. DECAF, gotTa do it. I. Want to do it slowdown friend. CDW JEEZ experts can help simplify your transition from legacy to hyper converged infrastructure with Dell technology solutions that offer speed and agility. Done it is it done yet onion it orchestration by cdw People who get it find out more at CDW DOT com slash DELTEC. Hanif Fan Dak Prescott here one is spent Sunday afternoons with your favorite teams and players switch to direct TV and get NFL Sunday ticket included at no extra cost I'm talking every live out of market game every Sunday no matter where you live. So switch to direct TV to get the twenty twenty NFL Sunday ticket season included at no extra cost call one, eight, hundred DirectTV of market games only requires choice package or above minimum semi ninety, nine a month before discounts, prices higher and second regional sports. Vehicle Nine, ninety, nine, a month applies twenty four month agreement division other feats, terms, and restrictions. APPLY TOUCHDOWN TAMPA, Bay, you're listening to. Past Welcome Zoo the pewter cast. I am Brent Allen your host joined as always by my good friend Ren pork belly DAX Ren. What's going on tonight buddy make sure you stay tuned in the podcast where I give a a review of our very special guests homemade pork billy slider. Yes. Yes. That was a very lengthy review here. Welcome. We'll see how much of it makes it into the final show. All of it should I may leave it in just 'cause and we'll let the folks out there right at and decide. How much they wanted to know listen. Ran. You mentioned our special guest. Yes, and you guys have already clicked on the link. You know who it is. It's in the title we've got Derek, -Fornia, Aka old school from what the buck, what the buck really matters is the charitable foundation, the former podcast, what the buck is still out there on twitter and you can find him there and I mean ran anybody who's been around the buccaneers podcasting landscape for you know for longer than about a year, you probably know who Derek is and you know why we wanted to get him on if you relatively clear than everybody yes. If you're true even everybody knows they're. Pretty much right. The only people who are people who might be new this year like you're the only people were like, who is this guy? This is a guy that was podcasting when people still listen to podcast on ipods like was probably casting before the iphone became a thing he been podcasting. This guy has just been. He's The godfather of buccaneers podcast he really yes and Goldeneye of land parties. There you go. He. He quote Unquote Retirement I. Like playing called Duty Online, you like playing g well, it all started with Golden Verio is that James Baldwin see even you know it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Yeah Yeah Yeah have you have you watched high score on Netflix yet it's like it's like a stream video games. Oh Great. It's. I wouldn't you don't I bet I know everything already well, of course, you already know at all. All all this talk about an expert about that's how I get away with. I don't talk about air conditioning systems with anybody right because you know. Out of right, there you go. There you go. Tell me stranger. What's your interest? Do you like buccaneers football or video games? You're dead demand. and. That's GONNA. Do it I know? No but Derek is on the show today. Yes, and we brought him in because honestly he's a voice that we still need to hear on the space. He's not a voice we get to hear from very often anymore and on, and he's a good friend of ours ran like it was good just to get to catch up with them to get to talk to them but also to kind of get his take on what's. Happened in the buccaneers off season what happened in really this past game and where we go forward and then his you know smoking barbecue skills apparently as well. Yes. All of that is true. Thank you for Coming Ladies and gentlemen thank you for coming. You know. Yeah. Well, that was a I appreciate you throwing that thought and if I was a better co host, I would add something to say after it now he's. You know. He's he's very smart. He's very articulate uses words I. Don't understand a lot but his ability to look at a situation no matter what it is and dissect what's wrong and be able to explain it to just about anyone is a gift for him. Yeah and luckily for us that you know he loves buccaneers football. So we didn't talk about it with him in this episode but the story goes that his wife just looked at him one day into like you know I understand that you talk about this team and you're very passionate but you gotta go find someone to talk about it with because I, don't give a shit right and That's how his podcast started. It tell he turned to the Internet and So he's always a great. He's always great to talk to you always a great list and he's one of those few people that I've met in my life that no matter what the subject air conditioners like I can just sit there and have a conversation with with him about him because I just like the way brain very well with that and with no further ado, why don't we go ahead and get into coming up on the other side of this Break Derek -Fornia Aka old school from the what the Buck podcast right here on today's episode of the cast. Food to. Support for this podcast comes from state farm with surprisingly great rates. 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Matches like so what was your match I did one hundred bucks there you. So now you get two hundred bucks I'd say what if I if I do hit it big maybe some more -puter Kaslo goes. Look look here's what happens. Here's what happens all of this I went onto mybookie dot ag you're right it's an actually mybookie dot com goes to Beijing. So usually the one you want, but I created a profile I deposited money I put in the Promo Code overtime and they doubled my deposit and so now I've got two hundred bucks to play with which school and I'm going to go out there and figure out what all this means prop bets and I'm probably going to do like the safe thing you know like when you first go into a casino for the very first time, you just sort of stick with the slot machines maybe you go play blackjack, but that's about it like I'm probably going to stick with like under like. I'm probably just going to do that. You know D cover this walk by craps table and go have no idea what's going exactly exactly. I'm not ready for that yet. So I probably going to take it easy this weekend. I'm going to be doing that the other thing now I am disqualified from earning this, but all our listeners out there are not overtime media group, which is what the Peter Cast is a part of it is the partnership were in. They are upping the offer here with my book. If you take a screen shot of your deposit and rain mail it to overtime at advertise cast dot com that's advertised cas then they will be entered into a chance to win five hundred dollars cash right back. So you guys go to that make that deposit get it doubled using overtime as the Promo Code and then send us that screen shot to overtime at advertised. CAST DOT COM and there will be entered in for another five hundred dollars cash to go straight in and join me have some fun and who knows maybe we'll have some luck this weekend the you know that's GonNa Gamble which again I totally think should why not do with my bookie because with one hundred bucks a shot at now now he's got no Schwab was a an extra six hundred bucks extra. Turn. On Your Bucks Seven Hundred Day except I? I don't qualify for five hundred dollars cash, right but everyone else everyone else does yeah. That's right. That's right. Yeah and you don't have to gamble anything have to make a bet right usually with their. Bitter. Exactly. Exactly. So you guys go do that use the Promo code overtime and a big big thanks to my Book Dot Ag for sponsoring the -puter cast this week. You've been out of podcasting for bit, but you're still around catches up on what's going on first of all with what the buck and what's going on in the life of old school here these days. Yeah I think officially, I've been Outta, podcasting for two years now. Actually writing something the other day and I think that's the current tally. So when you think about the podcast, that's that's been gone for quite some time the website still exists, but it's stale. We encountered all sorts of challenges technically you know Robert was writing there for a while and then we had some issues to be honest. He's got his own thing going, which is great outside leverage, which is cool. and. It just hasn't been a focus really what the bug has morphed into had thin into the tailgate in what the buck really matters are charitable foundation obviously with the world events tailgating is. Probably. Seventeenth steps passed in question there should be some announces from US formerly this week about that. But you know tailgates themselves can become a super spreader event by their very nature right? I think it'd be unless people take some other precautions. I don't think it's something what the buck lab their name on, but we'll be making those announcements this week so. What have I been doing? I've been working you guys. You guys know this you know anyone who does this who isn't officially in the media this is a passion project and so my my real project which was work as been hit by the pandemic as well. So I've been dedicating a lot of time towards trying to keep my company moving in the right. Direction because that's first and foremost and still trying to pay as much attention as I. Can you know? I. I still love the I still love the sport without a doubt and it's funny because I don't know maybe you guys shared some similar conflicted physicians but at first I was like well, of course, they can't play football what the Hell is wrong with. This breaking. Crazy. And then I, remembered a League of their own and I remember distractions and I remembered the need for some distractions normalcy and so I washed away the NHL and the was doing it and and I thought what the NFL can do something similar to keep teams stay. You know maybe what we really need this distraction that is safer I'm a bit torn I was happy to see. Football played again. I wasn't happy to see the outcome. I had a old fashioned went on a quick periscope asked twitter live feed where I predicted the two plus score victory because I thought for sure with the added stage guidance from Tom Brady and the ability for him to get out on a limited clocked we would be fine and the first drive I felt like you know Mr Rain and not so much a wrestling. So yeah. So paying attention when I can I'm actually going to be relocating for the end of this year for work reasons to Virginia Beach. So it's in meaning that we're not gonNA have in person games at least I may have an option to some thousand years season ticket holder whatever. But I don't have any tickets currently that I'll be missing eight. DIRECTTV thing from Virginia Beach. Thanks for coming Derek. Excellent So, Derek? Let's get into it with bugbears first of all back up like before the game. Yeah. Right. All the off seasons stuff always know we're trying to get to over hype and I have been personally on a all this bad stuff could happen. There could be. There's no guarantee that this team is going to come out and light it up and go to the Super Bowl I think they are mean not really excited. This could be some good stuff and But where have you been as far as the off season of the buccaneers, what they've been doing in Tampa even in spite of all the covert stuff like where where have you been on this team? So I if I pull the cove and stuff out the football team, this was the this was the big move. You know balls on the table front office maneuver you a chance if not the greatest quarterback in the history, you know one of. Its hard. Are you? It's hard to argue off of spot one or two I. Think unless you're fan and then you think Reno's up one through five but you know you get him in. There is a nice edition but Gronk to me is just you know gravy right? We already has pretty tight end here I really thought and you know I'm Jamie I love Jamie I thought he could grow into something more I was not exactly happy with how it went out but when he's done, you try you say okay well, who's going to be quarterback now gonNa Roll Griffin No, you'd like well, we need to upgrade bullshit You wind up the greatest quarterback of the current era. How do you get mad about that as a buck stand look at what a quarterback he was and the concerns that a lot of us at where he's not overly mobile and we know the Jamie ran for his life a fair amount some of that of his own doing by extending the place maybe logically maybe not but you think, okay, well, that's scary anything. Well, the last couple of years in New England is off the light hasn't exactly been stellar either but he gets the ball out. So quickly he diagnosis so quickly like so many. Veteran quarterbacks do they read the defense? Well, same way drew brees us. Right. You re has the same tendencies the read the defense, get your reads, deliver the ball deliver with accurate. Those are all things. Brady hadn't spades really. My question I had coming in was how his arm straight wasn't how is helpless and to be honest I saw nothing whatsoever that concerned me this week about that I watched him dropping you know long range throws on a a an x marks the. Spot you got some is which converted them. Completion would've been completions anyway. I, got a kick out of some of the twitter noise. We'll passenger passer fearing penalties. Yeah. They stop completions jackass have we not not interfere that they would have caught it and gotten Yak because he actually was throwing on on, you know in stride. So I think he was as advertised I think the biggest disappointment I had and this is going to be you know everyone's opinion because everyone thought the. Clearly clearly. David. well-done. Right there by Ryan White this is why we're the best podcast without a doubt. You encountered the best podcast right It's the best music. No it was done at Smith like I. Thought this guy would really benefit down Smith I. Don I know that a number people came out and said that he showed poor technique including coach Arians and he did without a doubt but historically, his problem hasn't been consistently technique it's been consistently maintaining his. and so I thought for sure Brady with quicker clock would help them with Causton help them at all. He was his garbage football in the coaching staff. You know one upton by not adjusting anything to assist I think one time they motioned poor Scotty Miller over there to try and help them, and that's that's just checked in the book you know throw in the smallest guy on the field at. Rush end is probably not the greatest move unless you're a crackdown on them, they'll crack from across the field. So yeah. So that was probably being, but as a fan, it's hard not to be this does feel like the most boxing ever to go do all this great stuff, collect all of these talents but in with the Had because we already have some pretty good groceries, right? I mean. I mean this. Hasn't as often been top ten top five for the last five years absolutely right and even has been getting better under bowls. They showed a lot in the second half last year I think a lot of us expected a lot of the secondary that they upgraded and had more time under their belt, the linebackers as as already mentioned talented, and then you've got obey who's really coming into. His own anchoring align with the sack leader on one side and JP coming out I mean there's a lot of things to be excited about it and I, of course said to myself. Well, wouldn't this be the perfect year for the bucks go undefeated win the Super Bowl as the home team in their home stadium and just stare at that asterisk next to go. Yeah. But it was. The most thing ever to go collect the ring in that year and have everyone just say well, it's not a real rig but we did go out there and Ford that effort by losing game one though undefeated is off the table we don't even have. Well I mean you know the Tampa sports teams are trying their best to all get an astronaut this year. Worsening Tampa who'd be. Who would care much about the astros to be honest with? Three Championships in one town and not one fan saw game. Not. That we're vans ever never showed. Arrays. As in that condition. But yeah, you're absolutely correct. Worst fan base ever came Jordan popping up about playing listen I, Cam dirty player. I always have what he did. This week was dirty. But he is. And and violent under if you don't like him and stop him, you know what you got plenty of opportunities every play he's on the field a chance to bust them in the mouth you you know the thing about that that camera Jordan dig particularly that brings the Big Leagues? Cam Jordan. Jordan grant. Kim Gordon. My most hated player in the NFL guy that's. My Cam Newton. For so many people or fair to say whatever. But the thing that sucks about what he said is it's kind of true true in. That's what's like he's like I fell plane in Tampa game and we all went. Palm and. Burn, it really was, but you know your defense earlier like in a lot of stuff from training camp about coming up and we've heard his book fans you know, of course, most recently with the Mike Smith era where they finished on a chair and and here we go. They signed a big contract and but these guys came out like as advertised and maybe not. Maybe even touch better not only of the maturation of the secondary. But how you know the run stuffing was still there but you know Devon white when he when they had that swing pass out to come here on the edge and he came out and kind of a little lasso with him like he was a complete blur on my TV I didn't know who it was. The play was over he is so fast and now he's delivering on it. I mean this this deep what we thought was going to happen with Mike Smith I don't think buck fans really have you know. I think that that's the biggest thing to look forward to because this is a top three roster with a top five offense and data get three hundred total yards. Yeah I agree I think that the defense is incredibly fast. I know that I haven't felt a our defense was that since the heyday of our events when Portland would try and go laterally on us and it's like you can't run laterally on this defense it just doesn't happen and the speed is fantastic Davis was ridiculous in coverage even even the past as he did give up his position was perfect in most cases. And that's a young guy you know. So there's a lot to be excited there. Obviously, you got to beware of the injury bug on, but that's true for any team But yeah, I think the people young players have an investment were good investments the players that we got on the defensive side of the ball who were create the shape of the world. The shack bats are good. Investments are continuing to pay dividends It's just you know you can't blame it on no preseason no training camp because the saints didn't have those things either team by and large is the same team I believe I'm not saints expert. Bucks anymore either I didn't watch the game like normal. But the saints team certainly felt like they had been together a long because I think they have it. You a brand new single caller in there despite being you know one of the greatest of all time he still new there's still some chemistry there and I drive in the first set of passes. I, watch them throw the accuracy was crazed Derek. Let me ask you about that. I had tears a how. Tears. When he when he plunged that in from the one I, guess like I teared up like. This is this is the way it's supposed to be everyone, and then the wheels came up and that's what I want to ask you what do you make of this amazing I drive and then everything else the followed. So interestingly enough I don't watch the game the second time I watched coach film. So this this I watch real time take away I felt this was more. A scheme and line than anything else. So Brady has obviously more latitude or seems to have more latitude than James has had to change place the scramble for the first down. I. Think was in the third quarter when he lined up all the wives splits and just a hot snap and his staff to. The. I don't think James James would have ever done that not because he's not capable because it just wasn't what he was afforded the option to do the audibles Brady was calling where the right audibles to run, check it out pass kill in the past like on the run. But if you have nowhere to run, it is tough to run, and so it all comes back down to the same Achilles heel the James Jaanus, which is the offensive line. Now that's not a slight to the worst of the world who I thought played admirably birth timeout but I think that this this coaching staff you know between coach left which go Jerry. What state they're line is in and then make modifications to allow their line to succeed whether that means keeping Gronk when he was in there to block blocked his ass off right. So if you'RE GONNA keep tight end the block let them block. The only thing they saw was troubling to be honest with later in the game I saw very little separation from our skills. I don't know if it was because they were disenfranchised in your sort of out of it because the game was sort of out of reach or West early in the game that didn't seem to be a pro, they were getting open and Brady with putting the ball on them. Later in the game, they look like there was a challenge getting open. and. I couldn't figure out why and I don't know that it was not because both teams should have endured the same amount of though I don't have an answer for you a silver bullet because I don't think he's Brady's fall because he can certainly put the ball wherever the hell he wants to go on down you're supposed to fix this for us. It all comes it. All comes down to the fact guys, right. It's very hard to throw from the flat of your back. And he did complete one jump pass essentially. that. He had no right to complete and but but you know you just can't. You can't get him killed. That's he's not as durable as James. Jamesy? Just from younger perspective gradient hit. We didn't get any benefit of calls for Brady this week because I certainly would be part of the Brady effect I thought are sure we get a roughing the passer or something, but Brady seemed to be pretty displeased officiating in general maybe it's a bus curse and not a bucks quarterback irs home got to win some games where you get those calls. Thousand you'd think he'd get some credit right? Not Not not not uniform. You know it's it's unfortunately it's true You talk about the speed of the bucks defense and you saw early on how the saints when they try to run Kamara it with stuff. But but they did a lot of flat screens quickly to extend the running game to get him out and space early and I it seemed to work. Now tomorrow's you know you look at his toe amount of yard you're not gonna be your fantasy guy you're like, well, he didn't do anything, but he did score two touchdowns. So then did everything now I think that what I liked when you talked about how you gotTa know what you have as far as A. Running. Game the bucks came out in in the second half and they through a screen out in the flat around. Jones Radio Mail airmailed mail. This had no it's still there. We'll do it again. Evans hold next play Donovan Smith Jumps next play pick six. So I I think that the bucks did were making adjustments at halftime about kind of realizing what they have in the run game and they were starting to pick apart from the things that that it was almost like, okay. You know the saints are doing this to us. It's GonNa work against them as well. So I thought that was encouraging but I don't know how I don't understand. I'd. Like breads said like we need you to fix it like I don't understand how Buchanan for four years in a row can't get a push can't get your running back to the second level like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know year after year after year you know you'd say painting by Roy runs heartening gets what's there? I thought Ron Jones ran really hard. I thought he ran with balanced vision power and he got what was there any at sometimes he got a little more but still his average stunk is yard stunk. There's just nothing there for this guy and if I hear one more time, you know Alamar pet come on zoom, call us to be at the podium or from the locker room go. We'll. We're going to put a real big emphasis on you. Know you know do you know on the run game here? Okay. Well, I've heard that for four years now like what's the problem? Yeah I. Mean They just suck. Why don't think individual, suck. Johnson and Allie specifically are both very talented. I think Donald and has his moments but he he's got so many lapses right now I don't know what the Hell's going on with them to be honest. This is one of the things you and I have talked. We've all talked about this for years even before I drop into podcasting you know was it the zone technique? Was it? You know because we're not big enough to run power man like what's the problem because when the back's get a scene and you you saw with Ronald, he's all Payton right bathing explosives is Ronaldo is but when they get a scene that can make things happen. But I would be interested to see if someone whoever does the analysis now I know Chris used to do it back in the day probably real bucks talker whoever now Jones's per carry average on what look to be designed run versus a check to run because it looked to me like when we check to run with making the right check and we just weren't able to convert so it was never there was never there. So. We're checking out because of the coverage. Was it a bad audible right? I haven't looked at the coach so I can't really tell, but they still managed to either win the numbers battle or in a numbers battled deficit over overtake the lot right now, your point about them going and making the changes are really points and I forgot about that series I forgot the sequels for sure and I hated the Mike. Evans would. You could argue it doesn't make the whole. You don't you don't get the yard, but at least you get a chance for it you don't win it gated. We'll just quit selling like he's trying to sell the deep ball. He's trying to pull the safety with him. Yeah. We'll look at the safety you know you're allowed like the players that you have to take four steps and then try to block him right if you could only take two and he's crashing like stop that's been. But no, I gotta get to my step three steps. I gotta get there. Oh grab. It and I talked about it on the live show made in period. Yeah. But I mean where your point is a good one whether you use screen game to the back or whether you bubbles whenever in the bucks of US bubbles in the past and they've got ninety Miller out there and he's certainly going to be affected that held Chris Ominous shown some effectiveness in that in that game plan as well and with you again, not the James couldn't have done this but he didn't do a lot in. With me during one of the Games is one of the things I love most about football. When he can watch from the stands, you can see all too. You can look at the coverage you can see typically where you're going to get the advantage and that's what we're. We should be excited about as Buxton by Brady should come out there in the saints have historically been a heavy single it. We don't have the Sean Jackson out there who's able to run a nine and draw coverage from the safety, but we still have of town out there that we should have been an advantage of it but you gotTa have at least half a second it would appear to do that consistently The interception was things united said. Hadson it was tipped and then she said, no, no, she's as a mistake. I was wrong. That's bad. Throw like throw last year the pick that was behind. Justin on the AL everyone in the entire stadium news coming this was. James Redo this was. This was deja-vu over again right I've seen that play before. I mean the Derek to that point like I know the feeling I had. I was watching some of the stuff brady I was like we could have just kept Jameson gotten that same result. You know what I mean like like where you talked about Brady being this this sage, you know he he's GonNa come in and make these these. He's not going to throw that away he's GonNa make good decisions. He's going to be able to read these defenses and I've heard at least from from two separate places out there people talking about look it's not the arm strength. We should ever be worried about it's the decision making and the decision making just didn't necessarily seem to be there for him at least this particular Sunday. Are you basing that on the on the picks? It I'm basing that on the on the overall like this didn't feel any different from Janus like as as a whole. Now you and. are both much more specific like you remember the individual plays I tend to sort of encapsulated. All is like one big experience you know. This is the way my brain works but. But like I've I've heard this from a couple of other places that are fairly respecting of watch the stuff some more bucks centric some not of the decision making and I. I'm just curious if you've if you had any thoughts about decision making, you know Brady's decision making in this game. If that seem to be an issue for you at all or decision making actually general good. The thing about the interception to Justin the only person I thought that brought up a really good counter to this as it could have been an issue with where Justin ran the route. It didn't look like immediately he was just throwing behind him, which was which was atypical based on the Brady delivered the ball when he chose to deliver a football in that Sunday if he wanted to throw a between the are in the. Gas Logo we went between those two letters write. Bad throw it happens that out route is one of the things that anyone who's ever played football and never play quarterback knows that's your go-to safe route because in theory you're you're receivers running away from trouble and you can really sheet it and scramble that. CIDER. waggled of that side and shorten the distance on the throw but it's one of those. I've just got to get some like when you if you played basketball sometimes you gotta make layup. Ab shots off you gotTa make your make sure there's a whole right that's what that passes supposed to be the bitter irony that passes and this goes back to the Doug Williams days if the defense is on top of it, it six, the other way it's over before it starts now our staff has to understand that and play the mental game right because we tried a little bit later that's where you used to hear me just rail about double moods by Alanon stuttered goes that if you're going to defense, it's trying to key on that sort of crap you gotta. and so as soon as they started around that play was painful I did see better decision making is that New Orleans saints game when it started going downhill and this is from a self about. Fan Right That's one of those games were James could have ended up with four picks. started pressing he repressed and I think to be honest I think Brady was pressing and I. It was I don't know where the bucker whoever there's a lot of pressure on you seen in his emotions on the first drive. He wanted nothing more I, mean this is a guy who knows nothing but success and he wanted to come in here show that he was more than bill belichick anyone got his ass handed to him. So now the question will be, how does he rebound right? This is this is exactly the microcosm that he wanted. He may not want you don't WanNa lose but you want to prove than when facing adversity you can overcome. That's what leaders do. That's what greatness is by greatness isn't just riding the wave to success after success it's doing what he's doing. It's coming here for his own thing. So I did see better decision-making I'm not ready to write off the Tom Brady experience after one week I have no doubt that he will show the work ethic that J Michaud in the patch, he'll. Be In, there with with his team working on details, he's we've heard that from the players and training get working with receiver with now they're running the routes mean guys a student of the game I think everyone on the team will be better as a result of yeah I think bright side to like when we as fans and Brady and the team was at their lowest after that pick six after a second interception, he got the ball and he went right down the field and scored. Got Us right back in it, and then like, of course. She's going to talk like that. That's what upset me the most was it's not we lost the game like I knew in my heart of hearts that eighty percent chance GONNA, lose his game like and and it was it was basically the continuity issue because I don't know I haven't seen Tom Brady Blake with this offense at all either and the saints, their core players been together the quarterback in the head coach how long they've been together and I thought it was going to be a better game a closer game but losing your veteran tackle that just getting beat by the third and fourth string guys you know. And the special teams play a you know out kappa like dropped the contact or maybe his commemorative quarter somewhere in the grass. He was looking for it and he didn't hear the snap count and you know interesting worse poor guys backpedaling with two arms out trying to hold three people back and of course, the kickoff and you know it was just it was it was only beating bucks. It was like a team that had just gotten together and they were making like not even high school and making like peewee mistake you get in and that was something that we thought was like we talked about the brady effect he talked about his decision making and I'm with you I I don't think Brady. Played nearly as bad as as the fans think he did I did think it was very surprising through two picks until I can understand. But as far as a brady defect is the intensity ratcheted up, you know is is not having these these dumb penalties, dumb plays just like like what are you doing like you don't you can't you scripted it almost any worse it was so bad. So I was going with this but anyway, you know what I have forgotten is the second. He threw a second intersection where I can't remember the the circumstances around they rank and you replay the. Enough for me to replay I did it already the second one was the? Halftime round overthrow row Jones Mike. Evans hold. Donald Smith jump out route the Scott out JJ watt the J. While I'm familiar with I can't remember the. First one was where he threw it to the middle and Mike was supposed to cross the face. That's it. Thank you that's what I needed. I couldn't remember that one yet. That was their son. What's funny is both of those interceptions felt very much like last year exactly Mike Evans One and coach comes out and says Mike should contain the route. Okay. So Mike should continue the route I. totally buy that it's still probably wasn't the greatest watch James Complete that. Pass. It's tight. Seem route both of those quarterbacks like that route even though it's dangerous because it's over the underneath coverage in front of the over coverage is a super dangerous throw. But when you when you, it is our whole I agree that the simple mistakes in this is you can't write it off because the saints didn't commit a bunch of. Both teams are out there slapping around like a bunch of morons and you're like, okay well, they have any time together. The closest guided a ball jumping when you know everyone in the universe is GonNa try and draw you off. You know there's there's just some bad football. I felt bad for. The kicker getting harassed. Them from fifty four yards when he checked it in an essentially went through guys helmet. Pointed out I mean it's very tough to kick through wall. I'm not an expert never been a kicker but I bet that's hard. To videos, it's. Very difficult even the dude perfect I struggle with it. But but yeah, it's it's it's disappointing and now the the question won't be you know it's a sixteen game season plus plus. The what is the theme come back and do I watch some other games because it was like Football Watch football again bright and there was a lot of teams didn't look particularly great. It'd be honest. This something that New England has camden they'll ask the fire about that's about one week or the film before that gets shut down and I've watched camp busting chops before million bustling the child time like has happened. So many times in the past, he'll stop thinking he's running back. That's how he got its career derailed the first place. That's exactly how right and season came back next year and they beat the living crap beat the hell out of them. So it's just going to be it's going to be interesting I think across the board to see what's what's going on. But as a bucks fan I'm still excited I still I never thought I'd see Brady lineup for our team. I feel like this is a car that just had the engine had turned over. You know. But the turnover. Next week, of course, Muslim game has been going around the twitter verse yet. Next week is a Muslim because they lost the first week you know what I've seen. lost. Right. I get what you're saying. It's the if they don't want next week, then the season's over. Into in the division. The division way to come back from that. Yeah. Matt entirely right now but honestly what I have seen more often as a we all knew the saints we're going to be tough game. It's just one game don't overreact by the way panthers are coming in next week that's going to be a cakewalk we're going to steamroll like it's it's the other others pendulum of like, yeah. Despite everything that just happened this one's going to be easy. That's what I've been seeing I don't know about you guys but that's what I've been seeing my timelines and I'm like. I wouldn't go that easy on them. I mean. Good. No it's your turn. I have seen a fairly even smattering be honest. I was one of the first people who jumped on the overreaction thing and I'm still getting people harassing me on my timelines and well, it's the same old bucks I can tell you definitively it's not the same old bucks because a bunch of the names. Right so appreciated, you think it's the same old bugs but his different bucks maybe doing similar things are having similar results. But for you after one game old same old bugs I'm going to go do whatever the hell else. I claim I'm going to do instead of watch the bucks when I'm watching him really after I probably have said I'd never watched football game because I don't agree with their political stance right so that's that's what I've been seeing a lot of in my time but yeah. I have honed my twitter game to the point where I don't see those things. Well, it's awesome. Fixed the Algorithm I gotTA TV man I need filters bad. Well, you will it's not hard well it but it is time consuming and every time I see a tweet about someone who doesn't tweet a lot or doesn't earn like Ono dozen gave me a lot I just own follow them and then I don't meet him and then I think really helped me is that being the people that do interact with me a lot where they also know me from the podcast right? So they know I'm. Not. GonNa put up with that crap or they've already heard what my feelings are about as going forward and the game you know right after the game. So I think that I'm I'm sort of in this. In this I guess easier position to sort of curb of the way people come at me because they already know my opinion from agency by the time you know game four hours Games, oh. Yeah. That's awful. I wish I could filter out anyone with less than ex bolers or with less than wide tweets. Interest be bitching priming. The reality is everyone gets a chance that they their peace and everyone has a right to their opinion, right but everyone's opinion is always right. So I think it's crazy to be overreacting but I'm also and I just want to see good football and I never really good football. I think we are stacks team from our perspective I think we have a coaching staff that knows what the hell they're doing, and now they've just got to help work with the people that got the produce on the field and I forgot who it was. There's another player from some other team who like. Sixteen one Games he's was his quote and it is true and it sounds so trite. It sounds like the greatest thing everyone always says it's just one game but guess what it is that one loss is just one loss right and now they've got. If a near doesn't want to hang hundred on that team. Now, they shouldn't be playing football right? How do you feel about Peyton up in predictable? That's who he is. He's always been that way. That's why I ended up losing what New Orleans years ago he tried to run a damn return. And I was there right. So it's just one of those who he is and so in some ways, he's going to be like well, he's consistent. You know and I get part of it, which is what don't ever let up because as soon as you let up and you have some crazy strange thing where you get a lucky touchdown, you get an onside kick recovery I. Wish there were three this week by the way in a new world football where you can't get a running start. Somehow they were transitions on pickoffs not only the saints Goofy blooper kick which everyone in the stadiums. Going on legitimate onside kicks. Three I mean in some ways, you can't be mad and like back in the day you don't like someone celebration in the end zone get there right. So now as as someone who's coach tall that makes me want to do is hang one hundred on. Every every time. Right unmercifully he has what you guys poker at. All I have. So there's a rule in poker someone officers split and you don't take the split assuming it's a legitimate splitting your heads up like this bad Karma right. It's just gonNA come back on this was bad football. Karma but he lives in bad football. Karma. So you know Arians should try hang him. He does because a couple of plays later. Michael. Thomas gets rolled up on and he. He went off up limp and. I wish. Yeah. That's what happens. Yeah. So I don't wish ill player. These guys are out there trying to feed their families and make money to get a two year four year life cycle whatever. So it's not about that. But when it comes to their smug coach like that. Yeah. I remember when I was coaching in England at a coaching symposium, we were talking about it and someone. The skill berries are so significant. Wait. Wait wait wait you went to a coaching team in England we we did a coaching thing over there for American football a while back me and a couple of ex players and stuff it was like six years ago now. But but we were we were talking coaches in England and over there they pay for their own gear. There's no pro league, right so it's all like semi pro they pay for their own kit as they do all they just love the game and there's there's one team that had all the talent London four teams they had all the talent and all the smaller smaller cities didn't have without, and so you get to the championship and they would just like hang seventy eight. Seventy two nothing I'm like that. In the US fight, the coaches are going to fight after the and they're like why and I'm like that's bullshit I get in Europe fifty you get a running clock here you get out of there but in the NFL, you can't get away. So long answer to your simple question. What did I think about it I think he deserve it because he's winning but I think he should get what he deserves the next time we have an opportunity to put it up I agree. I'm all for that. I WANNA I WANNA come back to the left tackle situation Donovan Smith specifically I think we're all agreed the three of us the rest of bucks fan them out their coach Arians everybody except maybe the man himself and hopefully even the man himself. But what do you think we do about the left tackle? Is this really were just sorta stuck with them because he's the best there is that's available to us or at what point do we do? We have to jettison this guy and tournament into a Vernon Hargreaves type guy a even if that means going with Joe Hager, Josh Wells or what what are you can promise you if you put anyone but what we have their there it get worse, right? Yeah, right. Sadly that's where we're at. Now I think it starts with do you believe that he has the athletic ability to play the position and I think these proven he does he when he's paying attention when he's executing techniques, his biggest liability is not about his ability to do it nor is ability to be healthy, which is something that has been lauded for years. Missed the eight and a half I think in his. Ear. But he has to understand that all the time and so if it's to the point where he doesn't want to or he can't then they have to build a plan now, I don't know what that plane is because you just can't go public publix vitamin I'll twelve. Left hackles are hard to come by but until then you have to acknowledge where you are and that's you know brought up, they tried to change some of their things but I said this for years you've heard me pontificating about it even before if you have a problem whether it's left edge right edge, you change your personnel grouping Shit. They run twelve personnel for half the first half I don't know what? It ended up the whole game. We'd have to check almonds timeline. But if you're in twelve personnel, you've got tight ends air help him I get your sacrificing a guy in a row but you're also keeping quarterback upright who can now deliver the ball accurately right? You got you God Godwin. You Got Evans. You've got Scotty Miller who runs a football player I mean you know deliver the ball to him and OJ going out. Yeah and you still have our our Cambrian who's given a break because he's run sixteen cm rockstar or whatever the case may be I. totally agree there's enough talent out there that you can hold one dude back. But I, I, saw someone I think they were saying in jest but like you know he's so bad. You'll help maybe you suit gronk up as left tackle. No. No like I. Like it. I'm going to do it. I actually thought crossed my mind and I let myself like just go there and play that out in my mind and it was hilarious in horrific all at the same time. I mean because it's so absurd. But I but I get the sentiment, I really get the anger station and again to pull back the you know inserted podcast from six years ago and put on repeat when you have problems like this especially on the edge, there are plenty of tried and true techniques to try and get around this. Some of them are super legal no problem they limit who you have out route. Right of them are a little sketchy. And can certainly bring you some bad football Karma right down and doing these sorts of things you can do. Sometimes, you'll get called sometimes you won't hell the Saints Entire Past Defensive Game Plan was to interfere on every throw. If you go back, there was an interference on damn near every throw. Dared the officials to call it right? Exactly because he said if To Call Me Right Daria Yeah let me get the audacity to get mad when they get called right? Right. We're ready to send one of our better defensive backs down the river because his finger gets caught in someone's Jersey. We've known yet safety. I mean our team there ready to beat him in the Public Square and I'm like are you kidding me or you know watching what's happening on the other side of the ball right so yeah, I think I think that this comes down to the staff saying they. They have to know where the data we can do it right and if he's not going to do it on his own, you have to commit to help them one of the ten to twenty creative ways to help going to be able to do with booed action with Brady which was one of the ways we do James Brady Wagle away because it makes guy who's running passed on and Smith run further. Right. But but you can certainly do other things try make things better. Here's a fun question. No Gradient Gronk how many ring of honor guys around team right now. Well Lante for sure Mike Evans for sure I think Godwin can play himself into a pretty easily 'cause he's just got freakish talent and I think if what we've seen is a splash continue the way mike is Continued I. Think it's just a matter of time I think but Godwin's. For longevity right like it depends on how long he stayed with the team. That's correct. All of that has to come with the caveat how contracts work is a mystery because the saints I think you're gonNA sign six more guys two, hundred, million apparently salary caps or just a figment of our matinees right I I need to explain to me I, understand how they do it. I eat so many explained to me like when when do they have to like pay? When is when is this this this? They can they just you know infinitely just keep putting this off forever like well I know that we did that back in the day when we were building our juggernaut right breach McKay was that gladly pay? Tuesday. For Hamburger today maneuver and it works well, if you deliver, then people will take discounts to come. Right? That's the weird thing. It's like Michael Jordan had to pay for. Joining because Hell I think a picture of Michael Jordan here Gene Lexus the guy who can afford it the most. So I don't know how they actually get away with it. You know I gotTa say our cat folks seem to be doing a pretty good job. We went out and got some. Cats them. We're signing our guys that doesn't seem to be the big problem. Ashrat. But. Your question I think that those are the guys that come to mind. I don't think that the defensive line guys have done anything yet the show a path towards that I think they have capability, but they're not there yet but Luanda Dwight is one of those guys who could who can wiggle into it especially with if you start getting champion a championship playoff wins and you bring back winning to the team, I, think all bets are off because it. Also an emotional right I. Mean you look my who? WHO's in there now it's not all about just stats. James Wilder would probably be in there. A quarter of them are not players games longer should be in there should be James. He's long been should have been in there long time ago. So no Anton Anton Winfield. So So I would not Allie Marquette. Anymore more than could be another gruber category I local gruber. He's a guy who can play fourteen years probably from the bucks and always be really good i. think the challenge is only marquette is he's guard into be honest. Most people don't guards much credit right? Right and I think he's a very talented guard I love alley on the team i. also think he's fun and smart and all that great stuff with the guard. If he was a great tackle, we wouldn't be having a conversation we've been having about Donald Smith Right. So I think there's a little bit easier to be a serviceable guard. It's hard to differentiate yourself among top tier talent right at our position or the tackle we'll could they move alley to tackle and then put guard that's what he did madden it worked really well. Around Jones had like two hundred yards right right in that in that spot and. Ran, right behind him. into running back. Winfield. Did from. From TV coverage I thought he did well, he's got an act of the ball doubt about that. The the thing that we have been sold a bill goods on for for guys in the past you know my black and these guys at seem to be Florida have a knack for the ball. This guy actually showed it immediately. So I think in general, I think the secondary and I know there's a lot of good positive. Coming into the game and I, think they showed it. Yeah. I think we've only scratched the surface where they're capable of, and if if they can match up man the way they did against the saints who Todd Bowles, he's all of a sudden got a bunch of things he can do at a very interesting or if he's not gotta protect people in zone and and give people help all the time am having Davis Thomas all over the Field Ellen the one time Thomas got in where he. Ran. You call on twitter the facemask finally. The. Sam. San Antonio Samuel Samuel. Davidson Coverage, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah and so the essentially running would in arena football would have been born backwards. We you call Yo yo emotion right clearly we're showing man. To be honest I think they'll look at in the film room and say if they're going to do this because we're chasing were following a guy across the field when you're DVD's getting used to playing with each other enough, you can pass them off right? Because there's no way he can get the flat. It's just not physically possible i. think he'd be Damn near as well as you can do they're getting there shooting on high, but you know is a bigger target you probably went for shoulder pads and helmet. But no I'm bullish on the defensive backs in general. All of. Them even. Antoine. Brent Anton I'm sorry. In I was Antwan based on the spelling Antoine. Winfield winfield. I've been con- Whitfield for off-season. Player another player named Antoine Whitfield. Dave winfield cousin. Tackle by the way. Shit line them up. Yeah, Brent sort of I talked about. This is what I said. I said I said the way like the older. Peter Buck fans talk about sap brooks and Lynch, in a couple of years, it could be via white and Winfield and and then Brent like it's also recorded on her guy and I couldn't back off it. To keep pushing. Now. Well, you know if everything played a game yet mike select. Put Him so. It's been a long time since the bucks had safety get excited about we had all these false starts right we had the mark Barron experiment with Dr. Jackson Experiment, we had you know various free agents from swear injured or whatever the hell right and and the position has changed so much right you can't be head-hunter hundred anymore you can't do the things John. Lynch made famous like John Lynch would never have been able to complete his career playing the way in today's NFL. So it's going to be interesting that position continues to evolve. I. Would have been interested during this year because Derwin is uniquely talented, right? Not to start the battle of outdoor with versus and stuff. But he someone who could help define a position like that injured because I think that's what the next generation is moving them around creeping them down all the new and that sort of stuff it becomes a very interesting position on the field. But I think that the talented certainly there On it could pick up pressure Brent Sir anything else. That's Derek Project. I mean I'll be honest. The biggest thing that's on my mind these. Surprise at the end so that the Cake. It No. I. I mean. We've covered it pretty well like the biggest thing that's on my mind this week is the left tackle spot because out of everything else going on like the people talking about bad decision making that I mentioned earlier the the the. People running wrong routes or you know being rusty from weird training camp in off seasons and stuff like that like all of that miniscule in my mind all of that doesn't matter. My biggest concern right now is this left tackle spot and what we're GonNa do what he and if he's going to bounce back and that's the question Mark Right now because where we've been lately leading into this game was last year might have been his best. Year as a bucket near from all reports and we don't know we didn't get to go this year. But from all reports, he had a really great camp. You know what I mean and he comes out and we get this to to the point I mean even areas going yeah. That wasn't good. You know. So I don't want to keep growing on that because you've done so well as to cover that for you know what I mean. But thanks for coming Derek. If he's had good camp. You're right I mean this is one of those things where this shit all the time why do you WanNa go to training camp? Why did you take a week and a half two weeks off your life and spend the time out there you do get firsthand disability of what's Who says that you should all the time back in the Disney days for because I would take a week or two and drive up to Orlando back in the day, and then why would you do that? Yeah who I know who is who would ever think that home you possibly learn it's underwear football blah. Yeah Okay so I Agree Zain's we didn't even try for credentials when we heard that like well, you can't talk about who's like playing nickel corner. You can't talk about who's running with the twos and it's like well, then I don't WanNa be appoint exactly within why am I here? So I know it like so I can see. If you knew what I knew you and I knew you might or might not be excited I. Don't know. But if we take what they said as true, he had camp and then he just had a bad game sometimes that's the way it works I mean some of the things he got beat on like when I called out mummy hands, you've ever played line those exactly when talking about fired his hands too early it didn't matter who's the third string of six string defense event anyone who's ever played the end dean those arms out is GonNa give through right? You don't fire your hands on run around like a mummy. Frankenstein. That just doesn't ever work. That's that's mental. That's not physical. His arms do move in and out though he's not permanently in that position. So the coaching staff corrected but the country South has to bishop cut bait on it during the game if he's going to continue to play like dog shit, you got to adjust whether it's in blocking or whether it's in the players that are all. And hopefully we can. We can do something really innovative like have a quarterback who runs a lot snaps because that's really cool. Now sorry I'm picking on tastes and bill. No, it's all right. It's like you know I thought that Scott Scotty, Miller. When they fake the jet sweep and then faked the screen GonNa come in the middle I gotTa Miller was really I thought he was running fast enough and he was really going to make an impact but Donald Smith has gotten the way. He successfully blocks Scott Miller exactly because it was going to blast. Your loud. This isn't hockey you can launch. And then you know the thing we haven't talked about is how bad mike was this week it's something we've not had to have a conversation about, but Mike was not good i. don't know if he wasn't ready to go I. Know There's a lot of discussion about being a decoy He certainly some of the routes. So we saw him run on the pastor fear and he was running it wasn't hamstring thing. But his head wasn't there leading leading jackass get into has had on the pushing and shoving on every other place is just silly. He's he's too good pro for that at this point. I honestly think that might have been the some of it. I think Marshon Lattimore for whatever reason gets inside Mike. Evans is head more than anyone else in the You know what I mean and it it I don't know if it just throws. Mike. Office game I I I don't know but I mean the way those two Jawid, each other the way to go at it. That's that's honestly what I. Have to put that down to his I. You know I mean Marshon Lattimore just has Mike. Evans is number I what I don't know as if it's that way in reverse if Mike also has marshawn slow number because we that has been a battle like you watch like an ongoing rivalry, those two. That that might make interesting film. One day of just track those two rivalry over the years as they. Handle only make interesting film of Mike and Start having some sustained success because I don't know what the score is right now but marshawn up. Like my I think marshawn had a good like in his rookie year the first time they met, it was like Oh Jeez and then my kind of toasted him for a good two three games. But now like the like last season and so far this season and maybe even the last game the prior season like it it's just an ice. Honestly, I'm okay with it to be honest like if you WANNA use. Mike Evans as a decoy then you know I would rather have my Kevin's out. There and just take a lot more out of the game you know, and if he wants to run decoy routes and opened up the middle of the field for other things, and then that's fine. But you know it's kind of it's kind of the same feeling you have about Donald Smith. If he's going to continue to do this, you gotta fix it with Mike and continue being affecting US lattimore than us that ineffectiveness in your favor. I. Think that Mike is shown so much growth in every area football. if you're a bucks fan and you don't think Mike Evans is one of your top five favorite for people I don't know what the wrong I mean. This guy is has gotten better every year he's gotten better than the craft you got involved in the community. He's given to the team in the form of renegotiating salary team I guy, right? Yes. Every once in a while he goes off half cocked, but the guy is a freaking. Freakish talent right. This is the next evolution that you know you shut Marshon lattimore up you don't swing. Don't do any of that Shit you hang two hundred and two touchdowns on a museum, the ball, and you do that every time you face right and I think he'll do that. I I'm not worried about my guy just wasn't super excited about what I saw. There were sometimes they have bracket on him and if they got bracket on. The open and that goes back incision making why couldn't brady find the person and without looking at the coaches film I'm going to guess it those plays where they did that they also send extra rushers right and they got home. He has an extra second. He's GonNa deliver to that poor guy wide open you know. My My feeling on the game was that the Buccaneers offensive coaching staff came in by hell or high water they were going to establish the run and they put themselves behind the chain time after time after time to start each drive in to start every I down and eventually you know they needed to make the adjustment and by the time they did you know the game was was becoming out of reach and then they fought back and got into it and the flubs, and then you know now they're up eleven it was just it was almost it was it was either the perfect storm, a Greek tragedy or a perfect of a Greek tragedy it was just. A really weird game like all around like you know. As far as like you say, okay, we hold drew brees under one hundred, sixty yards. Michael. Thomas gets three catches for seventeen yards. You think we win by twenty yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and it's been that way for years hasn't it? No, not against this? I'm thinking more in general. Offensive production you certainly, if you don't look at the turnover column, it's always you know at least in recent history, it's been that way. Right? We produce a lot of offensive yards. Pointed we should but. Right and the challenges the sheet includes the score. Right? Right. You mean actually matters and not just the path to the end zone. It's the actual getting in the end zone thing. and. So we look at you know three turnovers and led directly to points for the saints that stuff. Then you know what's funny is and I hope it doesn't happen fast though I don't have a lot of faith in bucks fans I in this regard. Post game press conference. If you just change the voice post game press conference. All same stuff. They, they James Cecil shed. It's all you can do raise a bad game. It didn't work out and you go back and try and figure it out. Buddy surprise. Surprise if it's not saying. All right we and by we I mean me am the here's a little back story. Br has no idea what's getting ready to happen just Back story here's a little back story. You, what the Buck old school had a of a employee friend slash party over at your house for people that wrote for you when people for Yeah. So by the beans I I, I've told, Derek this thousand time these beans needed to be candid or bottle or jar and input in stores. These are these are the best being they were had and I've eat a lot of baked beans restaurant guide I new foods talk and talk about these being anyway. I borrowed his then Mo and you know about the Venom Oh Brent. We had big plans for it really couldn't be. We Will Yeah Ego Melia meaningless battle then most. Of My venue in St. Louis Good. I paid off all my debts. So, yes the pandemic it was me so. Vima and we if people don't know what it is it's like a live streaming device that basically like an like an Alexa that sits on your desk. Cylindrical device that has rotating camera that will jump from person to person just by their voice, and you can trying to change the shots through your phone. And I didn't do anything with it. Derek to get back into barbecuing asked me to bring it to him. So I brought it and he had a bag full of pork belly that he had rubbed a and smoked and some slaw and some buns and a printed out version of how to reheat everything to eat them properly and I was supposed to give Derek my summation of what I thought of these pork belly sliders. Well, as soon as I got home I ate the banana cake that that his wife. ELAINA. Right. Correct but that made and it was great and I I, teasingly T. DM Derek said, hey, man has been having a banana cake was a it was really good and he's like, okay I'll tell my wife I'm like, okay great and then I didn't eat the sliders till the next day and I totally forgot to tell Derek like what I thought about him. then. We were texting back and forth not too long ago maybe a couple of weeks and I said I'm going to get my thoughts together I, had to find him and I rewrote them. Here is the official pulled pork cider Derek forty-eight. Special. All right. Here we go. Pork. Cooked perfectly fat edge rendering to the point of Chris almost cracker like microbial snapped the edges fat vain. That's what I call. If anybody does knows what pork belly is he did it in strip. So basically, it's like it's almost like an uncured bacon and you have you know in in Bacon you have that that one fat vein that runs sort of right down the mill fat vain. Was, creamy and subtle making the eater scan the slider pre bike to make sure that it isn't missed. So every bite you you're looking for that little creamy fat vein to make sure he brought it he had in each byte possible toppings applesauce slaw because it could because a an e let people know because apple? Smoked. Bacon. Happened Bacon it bigger pickles generic. I'd rather do some subtype of pickle slaw. slaw tossed in the Spice Rub. I would make a nice topping with that and then last put Mac and cheese a very creamy MAC and cheese on top of the pulled pork slider I think would be good. Well, I appreciate the very thorough you I definitely didn't think I was GONNA getting one of those I thought I had given you the pork belly two ways, but I think you only ended up at the slice. And that's a shame. So what I normally? Why your branches not loving. Elliott but I'm GONNA cut all this shit out it. It'll be in the youtube gentle. But bridges you know I the pandemic is led me to cook. and. So this was part of the experience experience. My only question is this. Derek. Wise of the last time I was at your house. All I got. We're tacos some fantastic tacos I don't remember. The night that the rents talking about though I did I did ribs which are overcooked and he accurately pointed that out they still tasted pretty over there were overcooked. I'm from Virginia Beach Derek I mean some of the stuff. I am buying a small smoking diabetes though not that you guys care about my eating habits which obviously on the issue with. But because I'm old and fat, I'm trying to limit my purina ingestion during the week because I started having doubts issues, and so I essentially plant-based all during the week. So I can actually smoke booed on the weekend we fight off we've Gone Vegan here as well. God dammit have not just talk. About the fight. Lean, and green. That's all we're doing. We're doing leans and Greens. That's that's what we're doing here over at this House so Nice Nice why appreciate having me on I? Really do know Derek definitely thank you. So much just just for the record. And I don't know if you can tell us yet. But what is coming up with specifically what the buck really matters and if anything is happening, how can people find out? How can people get involved What's going on out there with that? Probably, the easiest way to stay abreast is through facebook Cheryl does a great job on facebook. Page letting people know about the what the buck really matters activities. I can't give away was going on whatever he said, which is I think it's unlikely. There'll be what the buck tailgates named what the buck I think there will be tailgates beneficiary will be what the buck really matters but I think everyone is trying to find their way in this pandemic everyone is has suffered in various ways including the charities that we tend to take care of this is the first time in a long time we haven't done the backpack drives and like. That, we just haven't been able to do those things. So but I do think that that will continue. I think for what the bus you know. It's good to watch football and enjoy it again. But I stopped because I didn't have the passion for it anymore it became more of a job and there were people like you guys who did have a passion for and it's better to have acid people doing it take creating their own vision for what that sort of. I think the same thing will happen in the tailgating space and then the and the webster is seeing popping up everywhere and it'll be like you know islander there can be only one at some point. You'll. You'll end up having people drop off but. I'm not going anywhere always going to be a bucks Fan I'm just not gonna I'm not going to dedicate forty hours week to it anymore like you guys do. You guys who keep doing it. Right it's really great. Just kicking back dreaming of the day my brother dreaming of the day it's coming. A couple more years left brother. While sports can bring a so much joy. It can also bring us a lot of unwanted stress and that stress can make difficult to concentrate, relax and get decent sleep. 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That was Derek for Aka old school formally of what the buck which by the way you can still get in touch with him at what the buck on twitter and he was active this past week. It was good to see him back at being active. He occasionally POPs up but he he was relatively active on Sunday during the game but that's the man Derek Derek Right. There there is. There you go. Read. I. Don't know that there's too much to say we pretty much covered it all. Breakdown the pork sliders again, we literally just heard that thirty seconds ago. Okay. I'm just saying like know this is this is the RAPA pay. What you could do with and I've not told you about this. This is brand new news. Shiny new webpage that we have I do cuter cast dot live as soon as I can get the technical stuff behind people to release things to me the pure cast dot com we'll go there as well. To. You could actually if you want to if you wanted to dig up your old that old writer within you actually write it up and put it on the website. Okay. I thought you could. You could you could start writing articles again yeah, and we put that on the future cast site as Peter, cast dot live slash Brennan's Food Block. Because I'm going to read about the buccaneer just it's just too painful. It's the same thing over and over and over. No that's why we. Why we podcast exhorting simple but I do need to put a bio on there. Yeah and I can't like how do I do that you signed me Send it to me and I will update that for you have to put up with no trust like no, you don't get. You don't get the word. You don't get the security clearance you don't get the best. Password. All right. Sorry. Dear back to the kitchen de Barefoot and pregnant ran until they call me. Yeah, that's that's pretty much the domes, the rules as they say, welcome. Rules the rules but yeah, you guys go over there. Make sure you check that out and he's sharp. Sharp late. I really do very and and you know look I. I want. I don't know that I said this during the -puter cast live broadcast last week because I think as I just we were so worked up about everything. Thank you to everybody who joined us and we're able who called in. For for as crappy as the game was and all of that stuff and I certainly don't WanNa relive that yet again because I'm moving on, we're we're already moved on It was it was good to be able to talk buccaneers football with you and with. So many of our friends out there and in the chat room and you know it's it's kind of what we've evolved a little bit but it's still the it's the original post game call in show here for buccaneers podcasting and going strong and who knows where we might actually pop up in where things are going to go over the course because we have a couple of do plans coming down. Say Mine Me. For, new show of the new type of show who remind me afterwards I know we just talked about during the break we did but but it just popped into my head. I'M A by. Who knows we might have more shows coming here to the Peter Cast for content for your listening ears out there. But Anyway, folks I all of that to say join US join a Sunday nights after the games or Sunday afternoons after the Games were were trying to go as close to post game as possible this year round. Drive back from Jacksonville or to Jacksonville from Tampa anymore trying to go straight as much as we can. But right after the games were on Facebook, we're GONNA be on Youtube you're going to be on periscope and twitter we're going to be out on the -puter cast dot live I think mick slur still out there working if anybody wants to go listen to us over there anyway at go you could probably just go to one of the others Know responses and talk to nobody. Yeah. Yeah. So but I think it's out there but anyway, you guys make sure you go check all that out and and there's other stuff come in and we would love to be able to talk with you and then don't forget at the end of the week which really sort of starts are week I guess so to speak. Dr In the new show where we'll wrap up everything that's happened over the course of the week here with the Tampa Bay buccaneers and we'll start looking towards that Carolina game and. Can't wait to see who we got. That's the show where we usually get some guests some of our fellow podcasters. Time but ran it's time for us to sign off for this episode of Castle. Why don't you tell the folks out there where they can get in touch with you on the Internet. Again big thanks to Derek coming in and talking about football always talk it's always Again thanks to Terry, foreign aid for coming in and talk buccaneers football. It's always fun to talk buccaneers football with with people, but especially with him. But. The best place you can find me if you want to talk about pork belly sliders or the buccaneers is on twitter. At Rendez are underscored the a team always down buckner football but. If your view is to Are you WANNA, put it out there whatever feel free to fly with my DMV will talk football there as well. And if you guys want to get in touch with, me can find me at Brent Allen live across all the social media and the show is at the Peter cast a g mail dot com if you WANNA. Send those emails. We may use lose on an upcoming episode of the fast and on twitter facebook instagram the whole gamut out there at pure cash guys can get in touch with us. That's going to do it for us right now folks we'll catch you guys in just a few days and until next time go box. Our that was Derek -Fornia Aka over school over school old school. Let me try that one again over school rock.

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That happened last night. scott. You're in las vegas. Oh an early wakeup call for you. I i would like to start though. Let's put aside the absolute nightmarish egg for a second. Because frankly i enjoyed myself last night. I was into it. I watched the game from start to finish. I sat down before him. We watched leonid our watching like the little pre-game crap in everything and national tie in and they need to get the buy in from everybody else's the casual fan leeann had seen field of dreams may be once in her lifetime so she knows of the movie but i was explaining to her like why they're doing it why the white sox are playing why the yankees are playing in it. Like the whole thing. I was into it. Call me a baseball nerd. Whatever you want. I was into it. So let's see what he was into it. It's not like everybody listening to this show certainly was into it. The yankees are playing. And you have this this thing happening in the backdrop. So let's talk about that. I sound good. Yeah i don't sound good but yes do this. I want to start first thing. Boy was kevin costner into the whole thing. He was the most into it out of anyone. And obviously he's the star of the movie. He has talked about field of dreams. Just the importance to him and his career and his life lifetime and he obviously is a huge baseball fan. I mean the man is done three baseball movies in his career which is like unheard of and two of the all time greats in another one. That's pretty damn good too and for love of the game. If you have not seen that movie go check it out but The other one. Obviously being but kevin costner walks out of the corn and he is just soaking it all in the cameras. Close up the music playing. He shakes the hands of every player. Who walks out of the corn from either side. And the first yankee that he shook was was garrett cole which is on the course. I thought interesting but But then he makes the quick little speech and he does the whole thing and he was. Into and i was i. Actually i had to ask myself. Is this man acting. Because obviously he's an actor or is he really into it. But i think he was just genuinely into it. Well that's the whole point you don't know and you will never know because he's an actor but no i think he was because this is this is putting a massive massive spotlight on something that you know. He did early in his career that still plays and obviously has cultural relevance to the point that major league baseball is is making a you know it's not an exhibition game. It's a real game that's happening in a cornfield in iowa and then they're planning to do it on a yearly basis so there was a lot that went into this there was a lot of a buildup that went into this because last year obviously was cancelled. So so yeah. This is his moment here. Plus he got a catch with his daddy in the The when he was on the broadcast with smoltz and buck. I thought he wasn't really making a ton of sense he was. He got a little esoteric. As i think some actors can do and he was just sort of like opining about the movie. Whatever let him have his his moments His moment on this. And i'm fine with it but yeah i just like the the immediate the immediate takeaway me was damp. Kevin costner's into it. The second thing is just the overall general share. And i'm talking about from what i could see on. Tv looked awesome aside from the number three thing which talked about a second. The stadium look cool. Having it be on the same grounds as the original movie set. They did the drone footage and everything and everyone who was there all the players who spoke everyone was was genuinely in and you could tell and that was really cool that that update for me from my viewing experience definitely so i was watching this In a bar. Las vegas because i'm out in las vegas for an ideal setting for really get the job but got back later. I kind of re watched it and took is much of it in as accurate as well just to kind of fill what they were. Everybody was saying in these interviews and everybody would from from stanton to miguel cairo at the end of this about him show back up yes from the past they they just genuinely felt it was It was baseball. It was almost like dumbed down to the core of what baseball and the that good feeling that people get with the sport of baseball when you take it back and you take it. Tie it to a movie that people That is mostly beloved You know across across the fandom you gotta be an asshole to shit on field. There's way too many people that would be like you know what it's terrible movie. Actually a sci fi movie was shut up. Shut up just allow them to have a catch. Just take it in and just let it let it be what it is. It's fine. it's a good movie anyway. Yeah the the stalled peace got everybody. It just got everybody. And i think when you see that the way that they did it you know. They made it old-timey they tried to keep it as true as humanly possible uniform. Great the what. The uniforms looked great. The uniforms looked awesome. Uniform look awesome. And i got to put up a put up a tweet comparing the uniform from yesterday to the uniform that i made for kemp two years ago at halloween when when i put him in a babe ruth time costume and i made it from scratch. It was actually pretty damn good and it held up so i gotta make sure i tweet that out. Did you like magic. Marker the pinstripes or something. No no there were no pitch. It was a great. And i cut out the the The the letters the new york across the chest. Damn what you get with. Yeah with like felt it was. It was legit. This is this is how many years ago. I think it was two years ago when you had a wartime pretty much exactly. So it was like didn't install. Joe was very real. I definitely and from the players perspective obviously nostalgia and everything is cool for them. But they i think also love being the center. The center attention center of attention for that specific night it had the the the build up and the attention that a a world series game or an all star game would have even though. It's the middle of august and i think that's why the players got extra juiced up for the moment the allies were on them. And the i know for sure. I agree with that I was to hear. I did not know that they were gonna continuously doing this from your Yeah for the for for the rest of time or whatever. They're going to be doing it. But i don't know i don't okay i guess well let's talk about that i That was going to be the number five things that it's going to be at least one more thing but everyone kept mentioning all the should be an annual event. Obviously it's gotta lose luster because as it does. Baseball is going to have to add some things to it To keep it relevant to keep it juicy. What what do you think they could do. Better what would you like to see them. Add what teams should be playing at it because the white sox obviously had the titus shoeless joe jackson and the yankees because of the yankees marketing. That's why they had the yankees there but Actually one thing. I talked about on the podcast with socks machine. Did you realize that iowa is like basically surrounded by major league baseball teams. They've got An and they have a big issue with blackouts in iowa and media baseball because they have the cardinals and the royals the cubs and the white sox the twins and the brewers all within bordering states to them yet. That's kind of crazy. So any of those teams. I think could be relevant to plan iowa. Yeah and i saw that. There was a local campaign to major league baseball about the blackouts. Glad they did that. It's a problem in the first place if you're in a different and you can't watch games. Rebel was like the last time i was out here in vegas. The yankees were playing oakland. And i couldn't watch the game. Because i was blacked out on my phone. I'm like wait a minute. I had to go back and look at a map just to make sure i wasn't one hundred miles from it was it was it was it was pretty ridiculous So i don't know what you add to you. That's the the problem is if you add to it you take away from it. i think. Well what but okay so next year. I like more more stuff. It's a movie that that's that's in time. It's planted in time it. There's nothing else on around the movie you can. You can just like elaborate on you have to get to you. Have to get the core feelings of that movie and you you you did that. They walked through the corn. Like scenario. someone else. Walk through corner it's gonna be it's gonna be so less cool the next time they do it but they do it because they built this whole stadium and then they're going to add more seats probably it's gonna just that was just eight thousand. The ticket prices were out of control Out of the way our boy tommy stands to dommage spending cash to get there I was jealous. People who were there looked no-doubt especially when there's that many not that many seats but it looks like here's one thing that they could do How about change. The camera angle from behind The pitcher because if there was a left handed batter up you couldn't see the left handed batter because the pitcher especially when it was lance lynn a frigging solar eclipse. Blocking out the left. It was way too low and at a weird angle. I don't buy number. Three thing is like how do you not check. This did put a couple of gebran as their stand to see. If it's going to be the right angle. It needs to be raised like at least ten twenty feet from where it was yes because when aaron judge was up eating minds hitting hitting the home runs that he was it was super tight. Crop was like super tight. You could. it was hard to track. I think You know lord compared to what you normally have a much much bigger view. But i don't know i'm sure. They were dealing with some constructions. But yeah there are some technical issues that they were having. Of course. it's in the middle of a cornfield. What are you can do. The last thing i wanted to mention from it was the ball is absolutely flying. You mentioned the judge monster home runs. He had two of them. I think they might need to push the fences back. A little bit is what it is that. There's nothing you're going to do. There's nothing you're gonna do. That's gonna that's gonna affect it enough and if you put the fences back it's just gonna be absurd. They were they were they modeled the field after old comiskey right like that was the closely. It wasn't exact right. But you gotta you gotta keep that kind of that kind of piece of the the event in clay. You just like you know. Make make right field and left. Four hundred and ways like a perfect recipe for balls flying because it was a hot day. You're in the middle of a field. So there's just gusts of wind and there's low stands so there's nothing to block the gusts of wind no stands on the sides. Yeah there's nothing there there's no there's nothing to block anything so yeah there were the swirling to and at some point you know when the when it was pushing out like you know the bottom of the ninth inning was certainly blowing out the first home run. That judge hit was a it. Looks like from a lefty power hitter. That's how the thing flew out to right field. There's an opposite field home run but the thing went so deep into the corn. You couldn't even see where it landed and then stay home. Run in the ninth inning. Which i thought off the bat was going to be through the scoreboard. That's how hard and far thought he hit. It just barely cleared the wall. So i don't know some. Some weird stuff was happening with the wind but overall we're going to talk about the game second but overall very cool night very cool experience. This is exactly what i was talking about. Same thing with the london games people bitch about anything different. It's like there's a hundred sixty two baseball games in a regular season if they make a few of them different somehow. I'm totally cool with that too. I liked that. They're trying to experiment and change things up a little bit. I think with baseball you get more than any other sport. You get pushback when there's any kind of change or disruption of the normal cadence of of the of the season is so it's fine i. I think it's awesome. I really enjoyed it. I do. I do like the fact that it was an. I don't like the fact that they're going to water it down and just continuously tries to suck it out. But that's that's that's sports and that's that's they're going to do. They're going to try to as much as they possibly can. 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I just stepped on some data. It orchestration by cdw people who get it. Find out more at cdw dot com slash net. Okay some takeaways and look ahead. We're going to combine those two sections in two five things because it was obviously busy weekend a lot to come for the yankees so the first thing take away from this week in my mind is the bullpens in trouble And it's not one hundred percent just the guys there's fault because some guys aren't there like we're all chapman's not there and now clay homes is on the list listed. Call it brooks christie. But the chris christie up but they the bullpen allowed eight runs to kansas city in the monday and tuesday games. I'm not even counting the bullpen and game on wednesday. Because that's you know it's a whole game so the both ends going to give ballrooms but eight runs to kansas city. In in two games those back and forth games way too much ridings who we were all glowing about his yet. A bad outing against kansas city. Which was his old team. The bullpen is just overall taxed in a partially. Like i said it's guys out guys on the covert list of the rotation Is missing to a three fifths of it but a big glaring three fifths three-fifths. It's three fifths vertigo. A big glaring issue for me and this is the thing. I'm most concerned about. Zack since his activation off the i l. on july eighteenth. He's pitched eleven third innings. He's given up eleven. Hits nine runs nine walks nine strikeouts. He's allowed at least one run in seven of his thirteen appearances and obviously the crushing defeat. Last night on the homerun tim anderson. He's been awful. He's just been absolutely awful and he has all up. He's not getting better. He should be getting better. Because like i understand you. You're coming back from injuries. Plural injuries this year. So fine but like dude. You're not getting better getting worse each time you take them out. Yeah and when. And when when britain is leaving the ball up and not not actually getting the ground balls that you need the. There's a big problem there. Because that's not how he pitches so clearly mechanically or his stuff is not is not getting better. It's not getting better you you. You need that you need that that ball to be heavy and down in the zone. And it's just not all the tim anderson. You leftover plate just put a good swing on it and try to hit in the earhart. That was that was what his approach was and he did that. He's back to show the ball. People big mad at tim anderson celebration. You have any problem what he did know. Because are you surprised. This is what tim anderson. Does he celebrate stuff and like he was excited. Whatever the look. I'm over getting mad at celebrations and if you're still getting mad at celebrations at this point what are you doing but you just mad at all times because this part of baseball it is what it is now. You know i'm not gonna sit here and shake my head at the at the kids or the clouds like it is what it is. And they're just they're more the that game today has more celebrations built into and that's fine. It's fun they're having a good time was good for us. hell no it was gut wrenching. The timeframe between when judge had sat run and stanton freaking takes the lead to the demand comes in and it's over again. It's very much to the season. And he was just dancing on graves. What he was doing at that point. And that's that's just what he does. We're not talking about him hitting a home run on any ordinary game in the fifth inning. This is to walk off the field of dreams game which we just told you why all the players were so into it after their bullpen. Just blew a game in dramatic fashion to home runs to judge instead and then of course he's going to sell it like our people this obtuse without like the moments like. That's an exciting moment. He was happy about any celebrated. The name was over. Say right stanton celebrated in the yankees dugout is pouring out all nuts. What do we do what. What are we doing here is. You're not going to those moments. What the fuck are we doing seriously. It was yeah for for them. Absolutely celebrate and there is just so so clearly when you look at how that that went down. He doesn't matter tim anderson. Does it in the finished. He's still celebrates kind of similar like that. Anyway the guy is. Backflips are are You know they might. He's gonna take someone out at some point with. This is aggressive backflips there. He just likes to have fun but still with today's man that's what it is. The bullpen prob problem. Big problem yes. It's a problem. And i mean i think the biggest problem that you mentioned is the wh. Why is it a problem. Why is this an issue when you mentioned three fifths of our rotation is gone. Leads to this bo. Pent being a massive problem. Because they're stretched they had before. This is the first off day. And i think seventeen days. Yeah it's the the the body count is an issue you got got random guys getting called up some perform lewis. He'll he's performed others have not performed. And that's what you're going to get when you're calling up guys out of the minors writings has been very good. I mean dad went out and yes. We're calling you called as former team. did he. make the majorly grass with the broader organization. Yes saying you know those little stretch all right number two thing. I saw some people actually missing. Gary sanchez is defense this week. Not as offense his defense specifically his throwing arm. 'cause higgins got ran over in kansas city and he had to bad throwing errors in the same game against kansas city and gary sanchez. Like that's his number one thing as a defensive catcher is he actually has a good strong throwing arm and people were missing that and just from a larger point like people. Were missing gary sanchez. Right now that's another big hole on this land. He was playing much better. The last six eight weeks of the season. He was fine as a backup. Is always catching garrett cole. Whatever but the teams missing gary sanchez. Right now yeah. There's no doubt. I mean when you see hagi coming in. And and having had a bad day he had a bad day and it costs the yankees runs. It's not normal for what he does. The he's not a good arm he's allowed to know he's not a good are but but he's a solid defender. Oh for sure for for the most part. So it would start like your. It's not like it's a problem a consistent problem when he's in there it's it's not he he's he was at a bad day. And yes gary sanchez. Much better on those. No one would ever say that. There was any comparison between the two of them in in that part of their game. So well He's allowed twenty three stolen bases and only thrown out four guys this year and most teams in baseball. Now don't run. And but kansas city runs and so running team like kansas city is gonna take advantage of hagi behind the plate. But you're never gonna see kansas city again this year so whatever is not not maybe clear but concerned with with cuyahoga. Show 'cause defense. But i am saying this team mrs gary sanchez. Right now overall. Yeah i mean that's that's kind of that is exactly telling of what gary sanchez has done this series. He's had a good year one that they needed absolutely so the number three takeaway thing is. I think i might have lit a fire under dj lemay. Who because since. I did the podcast with derek from views from three hundred fourteen feet dissecting. Dj lemay who struggles this year. The man has hitting three thirty three in forty five plate. Appearances was with a four twenty two on base and three extra base hits not outstanding by any means not hitting four hundred five hundred. But he's looking a little better so who knows maybe he saw. Maybe he saw my my of it most likely not. I don't think he knows how to log on the internet. But still i'm happy turning things around because they they really do need him and also quickly before you talk. He hit fifth in the lineup. One day this week which. I didn't hate actually Because he is still about on ball guy even if he was struggling more. So if you're going to organize the lineup swing and miss on bass guys top. Get on base batum ball guys behind them. I don't hate that concept unless you're going into double plays and you're not hitting the ball in the which is what the digital may you. We identified right like he's not hitting the ball hard soft contact fastballs that that's why he was struggling. So that's not a guy that i you know. I want him to figure it out. In the way that he figures it out. And i want him at the top of the land. I don't want him batting fifth. I have the leading india guests. That's cute. let's not put each element you in the five spot put at the top of the lineup and let him figure it out. Yeah it's it's only a matter of time until he was gonna figure it out. I was worried about it but yes you look at it. It's been it's been bad. He's not good not especially after that contract and looking at everybody struggled so however he got back he does not log on the internet he chooses not to on the internet but though it's very good to see because they need him they need him and they need him at the top of the lineup. Doing that thing. Not in the five spot while i think. Brett gardner was leading off that night. And that's not what i want. That's not what it about are not work. Nobody nobody's allowed to say anything about brett gardner. 'cause he's been the least of any problems on this team the entire. I also should all over tyler. Wait i said. I also like i. He he's had a good resurgence. But but it's like. I don't think anyone built the baseball field in the middle of a cornfield in iowa with the tent of tyler hitting night and starting that game. It's like you don't build it so tyler wade comes. That's not what you do. I mean moonlight graham halloway com. You'd think you'd think tyler wade can moonlight as a doctor. I don't think so. We'll all he had maybe a different. Maybe a different occupation but moonlight grams. You know the the expectation for moonlight graham was not large at all. They just needed to get on the field. Get in the box score and that was it. John smoltz last night after wade laid down the bunt said tyler way just looks like a baseball player. That can do everything well out smoking big. You watched a much anyway in theory theory in theory tools. Let's look ahead when the heck are the reinforcements coming specifically for this pitching staff because holy held. They need it like we said. Three fifths of the rotation out colin montgomerie seemed to be getting closer. Cole was in the dugout. He was shaken hands with kevin costner. He's obviously tested negative for covert or else. They wouldn't allow that to happen supposedly. He's going to be back at some point this coming week. Montgomery i think is a little bit more up in the air but boone said he could throw a bullpen session this weekend. So those two guys back in the rotation would help the entire situation mentally but another thing related to the pitching staff. Let's end the andrew heaney experience right now. I don't need to see any more of it so bad. I don't understand. I after after he comes over and you start seeing him. Just watching him pitches fresher into it because it doesn't look like he finishes any pitch ever stops like he's been cancer so strange to me but yes he's just he's a he's good for three to four home runs every single time. He's out every single type. Think about what you just said you. Just say yes. He's a pitcher. Three to four home runs every single time. I was watching the game last night. with a guy named dancing is also a podcast. He covers boxing free. Spn but his podcast on our on our network and he's a big yankees fan. We were talking about it. It's like we're just waiting for it. We're just just waiting for like you know he's to give three to four home runs you just know. So they better. They better start headache because that's going to happen. And unfortunately the the way that this team is blinding upright now and the way that they had to bopenda game. they're screwed. They a home out there. They had to leave him out there to eat some innings and he ended up giving up the three home runs and the seven runs but even honestly even if rotation help does not come in the next five days. I don't need seeing andrew heaney out there anymore. He's gonna give up the three to four home runs like you just said and he was two feet away from allowing a grand slam to seattle like. Let's not forget that. I know he settled into that game but he was two feet away from a grand slam in that game. I mean i could say that about you. Know the the the the experiences that happened. That almost happened. You get my point though across yesterday. He's not a good pitcher. That's the point. The the the guy that all the numbers that we saw coming over. And we're assuming that the nerd saw something go clearly they didn't whatever they saw ain't workin they. They overlooked the three to four home. Runs per outing. They overlook that step number five. Let's let me hold on real quick on that like gimme. Gimme david garcia. I don't even care. He's been awful d- gave me somewhat. Give me a kid. Give me somebody. That's not him. I i agree with you. But divvy garcia has headed. Just absolutely disastrous. Maybe the moment will happen. And it's that garcia. Maybe it's somebody else clarke clark schmitz coming back about schmidt. He needs to ramp up a lot more. But you know. I think he needs to throw three innings. I don't need to see. Do we know what we're getting ed's especially because he's next outings. I guess would lineup for the red sox that size. No the red sox have been shitty lately. But i don't see him getting through the red sox lineup the last thing. Let's look ahead to the schedule. A little bit can the yankees continue their winning series. They're obviously going to have to take the next two games in chicago to win this series but overall they are seventeen and nine since the all-star break that's a six fifty four. Winning percentage after this white socks series scheduled does not get any easier. Got a makeup game at home against the angels and then three games against boston. One of those is a makeup game. So that's going to be a double header and then four at home against minnesota. I guess those games are easy but then they go on a kind of an odd road trip where they go to atlanta than oakland. Then anaheim weird to go south and then west. Usually you just go west but that road trip in the middle of it. Four games against oakland. So i'm not as concerned about the opponents coming up as i am Who can come back immediately and how they can make this team because if they can do that. That's the biggest thing. That's the absolute biggest thing. If they can make they need to basically kick the can down the road as long as humanly possible so that there still within a shot. Obviously that oakland series going to be massive but they just need to get bodies back and actually playing on the diamond in a yankees uniform and when we see that you know we have a chance with against anybody against anybody if they could get bodies back especially in the rotation but throughout the throughout the roster that are like. They're their chances so they just need to get through that and they need to get these bodies back. It's it's a it's a. It's a waiting game until the the players comeback really. Okay i i know what so the guys running out of time. The the main guys out right now. Our coal montgomery herrmann rizzo. Sanchez are shelhah glading. Oh my god sounds like you were going off like two people named nineteen and that's not to mention obviously severino kluber and other guys ed out for a long time but just those first iteration of guys other than coal like who the next. Who's the next guy that you that you think. The team needs back. I we we agree. Kohls probably number one number two. I honestly don't even think you could go down to number two. They just need all of them back because what it does is it affects everybody else because you have other people that are playing that are just not good and you have pitchers pitching that are not good and there's just limits our options so they just need like the massive bodies to come back. That's what they need. They need them all the cornfields. At the same time out of the court show yes the cova cornfield and just appear galaxy guys guy temperature as they walk out of the cornfield. You're good you're good all right. That's going to wrap it up for today's episode. Appreciate guys listening again. Cool event last night shitty ending really shitty really bad ending. What was awesome until it wasn't awesome. Just lose seven seven to four guys like could you just lost seven not this year. Break our fucking arts. We'll we'll talk to you again on monday. 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43 - Justin Guarini, Actor & Artrepreneur

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Makers we're your hosts. That's brian and that's mary. Join us as we focused the spotlight back on the Maker to uncover their process. We speak with folks in the industry that are heard from such a stage. Managers producers crew members marketing professionals. Everything in between we hope you enjoyed this episode support for this. Podcast comes from cdw. And hp cdw we get the future of security works differently. Crissier loves it at work from home but his not a guard dog. That's okay. Hp elitebook laptops by intel core processors and orchestrated by cdw have built in security features to protect you from threats. Wherever you are intruder you he just wants to go out again. It orchestration by cdw people who get it find out more at cdw. Dot com slash. Hp security is justin guarini. You might remember me from the first season of in two thousand two sang for thirty million people every single week. Fifty million people in the finale as duked it out with the one. The only kelly clarkson or you might have seen me. One of the six broadway shows that. I have been blessed to be in in new york city or i might have popped up on your screen as Little red headed rockstar. Named low sweet. Or as you might have heard me saying zip and as part of the dr pepper national campaign That's been happening for the past six years and so today among the many hats that i wear. I'm excited to be wearing the hat of the guest as the guest. Brian and mary on this awesome. Show and I am in the midst of launching my core confidence coaching program. My core confidence challenge and I can't wait to talk about all the things that i'm up to And how. I helped influencers entrepreneurs prophet under pressure. Wouldn't intro what you killed that. I mean oh my god okay so many things. We're definitely going to try to cover all of them in this hour so if we can but i'm curious to start it off so i'm gonna steal this term that i have stolen from my boss. Which is when do you think the arch procure you. Oh you know what i didn't. Really know was entrepreneur until the one. The only ken davenport use. That word. And i was like oh. It's like the clouds parted in the sun. Rays shown down onto my face. And i got it. I was like yes. That's it that's it. It's the art of the archer noor so it hit me. Oh my goodness archer nor is it is the entrepreneurial spirit and the artist spirit like put together and so it. I bit me About two and a half years ago. When i had a terrible audition experience auditioned for a really really popular show on broadway and long story short. I was made to learn twenty different songs And went through a three and a half month process of like going in and out of new york and spending a lot of time which is way more valuable to me than money. learning and executing all of the adjustments that i was given by the creative team and after all of that i mean i put an olympic effort because i love and will always love this show and i love the creative team in wallis other creative team and after that three and a half months i was having to bug my agent. Who had to bug the casting director had to buck the producers for an answer and close to four months later they said now and i was at i mean and look. I'm in this business almost twenty years now at a at a really high professional level and i'm used to the word know anybody where the year at any stage in the business no right in our business in the entertainment business. That's good i can handle. No it's just that that silent cliff of nothing else that comes after that it's like okay. Give me some feedback. Give me some thoughts. Give me. i don't even need reasons. I just need some sort of something that i can say. Okay at least. I can take something away from it and that didn't come and i began to question whether or not i wanted to be doing this at all. Be a part of the broadway community was good and all these things all the things that happen to us When we get side swiped like that Happened to me and there was a shift. That occurred when i turned it. I was turning forty at the time. I'm forty two now. And i just got to that place in my life where i was like you know. Just gonna come time when people don't wanna see me anymore. They don't want to hear from me or i don't want to be seen any more i don't want to be heard from. I wanna be doing something else. I just asked myself. I'm like well. How can i make sure. I never feel this way again. And then through a series of evolutions and questions in my thinking process in my life. I then came to the point. Well how can. I make sure that other people like me. Don't feel this way. Because i'm not like you know a list celebrity but i'm not near the bottom either. I'm somewhere in the middle right and nfl. Like if they can treat me this way. And i know they treat people above me this way. They definitely treat people that are in a different place and Striving to get to where i am like this and so that was how audition secrets was born. And how just started on the path of being an entrepreneur. You talk about that shift now. How clear was what actions were gonna take. How did they come into play in your trajectory. Had you like line things up to like get going on this road because it's a very uncertain path. Yeah well uncertainty like the name of the game for what for what we do right in the entertainment industry so i was at least used to that feeling of like. Am i doing the right thing. Does this make any sense. Did i have just been a lawyer like those things just came and went right but it was really not so much lining things up. It was tripping falling stumbling rolling dodging dipping diving. Doing everything. I could possibly do wrong. I was it and and what really set me off on. The right path was a book. Rich dad poor. Dad i mean like classic robert kiyosaki banger of From finance from the finance world. Just like i was like oh and he had mentioned someone named russell brunson or vice versa. I can't remember which was and russell. Brunson is like one of the kings in the marketing internet marketing game and so i basically tripped and fell into these people's worlds and from there. I just found all these other people. And i started to create this network of knowledge. And what. I really truly two and a half years later as i'm finally beginning to launch the property that i'm most proud of that i feel like i'm going to do the most good with with prophet under pressure. I realized that your network is your net worth that just came so became so clear to me in the past six months and so over the past two years. I recognize that. Not only if i've been tripping falling stumbling doing these things wrong. But i've just been developing relationships whether it's be a book or be clubhouse where get to talk to these people or via all these other vehicles and that network has become my net worth and my ability to be able to line up these things and to to know what is that. I don't know and to learn from people who have been there and done that. Instagram bio it says that you help influencers profit under pressure. And you've already said that a few times just in this our conversations here and so that has definitely changed from your earlier messaging with auditions secrets where it felt like it was very feeder forward in the sense but now it seems like it can be applied to theater artists for sure but maybe you know whatever however you coin or however you identify influencers in today's society and so there's this term that i've learned from it. I'm gonna get her name wrong so going to choose to leave it out for the time being but she's another one of those marketers people who help marketers and she is a big social media following and she talks a lot about. I think it's like like niching down. So how did you find your niche. Like how did how did you stumble across that. What were the i mean. Obviously it took two years or at least two years to kind of find that path to narrow down to what we what you have today is helping influencers profit under pressure. But i'm wondering if like you could give us a little bit of a sneak. Peek is to like the conversations you were having with yourself with others on how to find that that was where you were gonna land. I kept testing my message. I think the most important thing whether you're doing a podcast whether you're starting out and you're trying to figure out okay. I wanna start my own business. And i wanna i want to just i want to attract the right customer for me for my product. My service is you just have to keep throwing out a message over and over and over again is kinda like fishing right. you know. Imagine if you're out in the middle of the lake and you've got one fishing rod and you throw that out and that's one hook in the water right and you want to catch fish. You can but imagine if you are on that same boat and you had twelve fishing rods and you throughout out twelve different literal hooks right and so you're going to catch more fish more messages. You throw out there the more offers you make. I mean that's kind of phase maybe two or three even but like so. I really discovered that my messaging funny enough was not landing with the audience of People in entertainment it. Just the wasn't for any other reason that it just wasn't. I wasn't getting it right or i wasn't resonating with them or the word auditions secrets felt xyz. I don't know what it was but everyone kept telling me you know like this is good. This is great. But i feel like you just you just need to shift your marketing. There's something because i was like i've experience i've done all this. I know i know what i can do. What i do helps people and i had to keep testing that message testing that message. Testing that message. Certain things stuck and most of it didn't but of the things that stuck. I sat back and i said okay. What about this makes sense. What's the link between all these things and then twenty twenty comes barreling through our industry and not only did the message not stick but then people in our industry were very hesitant to part with money because they didn't know when they were gonna get back right and and so those things really focused me down and say okay. What is that common threat. What are people coming to me and talking to me about what they asking me to mention them about. And at the end of the day whether you're walking into an audition room or you're sitting in front of microphone and a podcast or you are about to go out and your Going to give an opening argument in a courtroom or step into an operating room. Just wake up and like me and my wife deal with three kids and three dogs at the end of the day. Confidence was one of those pillars that created success in all of those things and so again. It's that tripping falling docking diving rolling just screwing it all up that led me to continue to ask the questions to continue to do the investigation And to continue to put the messages out. That's what is working in an eventually landed on confidence and so as just putting the hooks out in the water testing testing testing testing a message. And then from there you discovered that your ideal client your ideal target if you will reveal themselves you just have to pay attention and listen. Oh it's okay to pivot is what you're saying. It's okay yeah okay. Twenty and look. Somebody asked me the other day. This guy was like so. Have you given up on performing and giving up. No no the two thousand and twenty and just getting thousand twenty was like you know a a fire sale for everything and so i just know that the industry will. I'm supposed to be in a broadway show right now. The britney spears musical once upon a one more time right a lot of people are supposed to be in shows right now but that is not available so instead of sitting around lamenting my fate waiting for something to happen or just hoping that. I'm going to get the right audition in a field of of a very crowded field. I said okay. I know that the entertainment business will be there for me and i will be able to pivot back to it when it is available Why not double down on something. That i've been kind of toying with and dabbling with. And that's exactly what i did. So yes please pivot and you don't need to sell of course you don't need to make a trillion dollars. It is as simple as something that my wife has just started doing a little while ago of like she really loves like candles and oils and and she literally was like. I'm going to go on alibaba and spend like five dollars and get a whole bunch of these candles. And i'm gonna get this wax him. Get these sense. Because i love him. The mixing together. That will make them up. And i'm gonna tell people a photograph them on instagram and say here's this scandal. It smells like this. You're gonna love me if you want to buy it and then they're gonna bend moment. I'm going to send it to them right. It's that simple. It's not easy or else everybody would do it. But it really truly. Is that simple. Well it's so interesting. Because i've been having a lot of conversations with a lot of my friends and they talk about you know during this time you know there was lots of phases to this pandemic right and so a lot of people that i've spoken to recently have said they're trying to figure out something to keep their minds active something that they can pivot it to but be able to keep going and not give up on once. The industry comes back and they want to go back to their quote unquote everyday life or career that they had planned out for them. How do that sort of thing part of your navigation. Yes really early. Brilliant question and it is the thing that will make or break most people at any level who get into this game and it's one word automation automation the question. You should be asking yourself and you might be able to answer it at the beginning. But his how can i put people through this system that gives them my service or product or whatever it is and have them. Never talk to me like. That's it and the cool thing. Is this now look. Coaching is one thing right. There's going to be a certain quite like. There's there's a you know a package that i sell. That is a ten thousand dollar package. And you just don't get people to fort fat money over unless you have a conversation with a because you wanna qualify them and then be they're gonna wanna know what they're getting for that much right so that being said but if you're if you're just like you know i love making stuff put it up on the You know and it can be anything just to show you that any idea you can think of pretty much. There's a market for it and if you want to be able to do that build a business build it and then kinda be hands off on it and go back to for example entertaining broadway singing dancing acting whatever the best thing that you can do is begin to think about how you can make the service one too. Many not one to one automated the whole point. Is you want to be able to put people through a system. That guides them to making the decision to say. Yes that's it you just wanna put them through a series of yeses again. it's a vast over simplification of it. But if your friends wanna do something learn how to automate the process. It's so simple and even so another thing which is a little bit of a you know a step up from that is if you're like i don't make anything. I don't want to have box full of stuff in my home. I can dina a. There's a wonderful way that you can make money off of other people's products and it's something that i know that davenport theatricals has done and participates. Many other programs cents an affiliate program. You can sell other people's stuff and get a commission and especially when you think about davenport theatricals and and all that wonderful programming. That can and mary and the whole team put on. It is just supporting our people. And so what you could do is if you are someone who is active on social media. You could reach out to someone at the davenport theatrical team and i'm sorry to like you guys out here because you see mary's like no you reasons i mean they won't get you could reach out to one of them and say hey look i love you. I love what you. I'm really passionate about theatre I wanna help sell your x y z program that i saw. Do you have an affiliate program or if you like a little boutique clothing shop or whatever it is that your passionate about and it doesn't have to be mary. Kay although that's great no shame in that game but like whatever you're passionate about you can sell it on behalf. Most likely of another country a country another company and make a profit in another country for for all we know a and and make a profit off of it and never have to touch any of the material yourself. You just gotta tell your story and so there are various ways of of doing that. Shore that allow you to have your cake and eat it too. That is the message that eventually. I and i hope other people in our community start bringing to our people because when i first started audition secrets my goal was i want to give power back to the people who have been taught trained and educated that we are powerless. And i thought we could do that to the audition room. And i think we can do that through the audition room just by the simple notion of reminding people that hey you're not going in there and begging for a job when you walk in the audition room back when we were able to do that. You're not going in there begging for a job. You are an artist with a unique point of view who has worked their asses off to have the talent that you have and to hold home the town that you have and you are an equal as you walk into that room and when you walk into that room and you show what it is that you show that conversation is between you and artist and other artists on the other side of the table and the basis of the exchanges. Hey here's what i got. I'd love to work with you. Do you want to work with me yes great. Let's do it no great. Thank you very much. I learned a little bit of something and you leave the room. And then you do that ad nauseam and if you come at it that way. There's such an energy that walks in with you. That makes people sit up because ninety nine point nine percent of the other folks walking like with that energy and it's a whole different ballgame. It can't tell. I get passionate about this stuff just a little bit so also let me finish. That thought. I hope that people bring that kind of hey you can make money and sell other people's products sell something that you're passionate about without having avenue. Nba without him to get that desk job that we all fear right that we all have done everything we can to avoid right you. Can you can have that. You can play in that arena without having to be locked into it like we perceive people being locked into it. I think that's especially valuable like right now in these times where most artists theater makers have been out of work out of their traditional careers for months now and it's time to get creative. I almost wish we had this conversation a few months ago the listeners and the people out there some really some gold on this. Not over yeah. We'll obviously it's also really interesting to see the types of projects that people in this industry have tried to pivot towards and most of them are very creative. Like how can i make things in the spirit of pivoting pivot slightly to talk about core confidence. Absolutely well guess last monday when when you participated in the take charge of your twenty twenty one challenge with ken. You led a very short but very packed full and punched a lot of core competence messaging there. Which is probably the first time that i had heard of that phrase before and so i'm curious as to how you define core competent or absolute. Let's mention that on the day that this releases which is february first. You're gonna be launching your five day. Core confidence challenge. Yes absolutely the core. Competence challenge is going to go live in our core confidence challenge facebook group at noon eastern standard time and so we'll the link in the great confidence challenged dot com. Yeah and so. Don't worry if you're listening to this and like oh no it's five o'clock we have the replay up and so all you have to do is click a button. It is absolutely free to register for the challenge so no worries about anything We have replays and every single day. I do a little bit of a recap on what it is that we covered before. So you won't miss a thing so if you're listening to this please gone over to core competence challenge dot com and register today hop on in because we are cooking Basically again that pivot away from audition secrets led me to because of covid. Nineteen the online audition academy right. Same sort of thing but because the market shifted saw heavily to online auditions. I was like i. I'm going to move with you great so we moved from audition secrets which was very much. I'm going to walk into the room to audition online audition kademi which is very much. I'm going to be in my bedroom and then I did a masterclass or two from there. And and i just sat back and i was like this isn't it. I could have kept going down the way because people need to Learn audition technique especially online edition technique with the technology and everything that i just like this not. I know this isn't it. There's something missing and it really again. The distillation of just like just wearing myself down with the questions and the continual digging a below the answers. I was getting in blow. That answer led me to. What is the foundational element of these things. What is one of the foundation on this. And that's confidence and if you look across all the the coaching programs out there whether it's for entrepreneurs marketers or whatever confidence is a facet of those things or belief in yourself is facet of that coaching but none of them are just like this. Is confidence bomas. All we do. We do confidence. And so i was like okay. There's an opportunity for me here to take what it is that i know. And how do i package that. Okay i think and you know. I would love to be able to say that i came up with it but all that monica. Ooh that monica as you know mary. Monica is just brilliant beyond brilliant and That is why she is she. A cmo of of Dempo theatricals as well and nasty as company brands. Yes she has big lead brands now. But i know that she has done a lot of marketing. Who don't know monica. Can you just hours had been shot out so you monica. She was the director of marketing import. Theatrical for Maybe like five or six years. I'm in just the last few months. started her own company. Her own mark n- agency and now the davenport theatricals end theater maker studio our clients. And she had other clients like justin. Yes and she is amazing. Monica hammond Go check her out. Big leap brands dot com. She's and she literally is the reason I am not Sitting here with my hair on fire because she built out the back end and so she came up with. She's like oh as we discussed all of this. Because i was telling i wanted to pivot here and and i met her through You and can make and i. I just was like. I want to do this. That doesn't that she's okay and she chewed in a brain and then she spit out. I think it's like profit under pressure. And i was like that's brilliant because it's exactly what it encapsulates. What it is that i love to do. And you know you. Brian and you mary and we all do in these situations whether it's performance or sit in front of a mike and doing a live to take broadcasts we are profiting under normal situations where people or situations where people would normally just just feel the pressure that they couldn't do it right and so profit under pressure and prophet beyond money. Profit just spiritually and in your body in in your relationships as well as your finances became the umbrella data. I pivoted to and underneath the house. Like okay confidence confidence. How do i create that unique brand that unique selling proposition. If you wanna get really marquis it and i was like what is it that confidence. It's inside and again digging digging digging at your core. Let's set your car to car called go confidence and as a out. Okay now. that's a really cool name but like what is confidence. I feel about it and be able to explain that and so again. Investigation investigation research at work and seeing what made sense to me and investigating my own story. And what. I uncovered was core confidence. Coaching and core competence method is the art and science a developing four key skills across four key areas of your life before key. Skills are clarity commitment creativity and certainty so clarity commitment. Creativity certainty knows four skills. Each four of them apply to your body to your spirituality to your relationships be it with a significant other with your children with your family and your business your understanding of money your understanding of business and so when we take those four elements and we marry them up and we we solidify them in each one of those four areas of our lives that creates the energy and the ability to do more be more into give more than we ever thought was possible and so in those moments of confidence in the reason why i say help entrepreneurs and influencers prophet under pressure is because that's stuff that comes naturally to me and that has been born and many other people in our business and has been born of failures and mistakes and all those things is something that is a key component that many many people struggle with and so. That's what core competences to me and that does tie back in my opinion to auditions. Which is were you initially began this path. Yes and what's really crazy. Is that eventually once. I have built up enough Cachet i guess or experience with entrepreneurs and influencers and look i mean i have a value ladder setup. That's another marketing term. Is i value ladder. Set up where it's like. You know it it progressively it goes from free all the way up to ten to twenty five thousand dollars now likely a person in the entertainment and our business anyway. Any theatrical business is not going to pay that right. But i am doing all of my own learning. I am doing all my own testing. I'm doing all of my own sort of Growth and expansion. Because eventually what. I'm gonna do is come right back around and use everything that i learned from the enchants and i mean ninety days every single day. If i'm a charge somebody ten to twenty five thousand dollars. That has ninety days worth of intense work. We get in there. And i learned just as much as they learn as i guide them to that core competence that they are literally making the in themselves to me to get them to and so when i take all of that i can then bring that right back around to where i started and i say hey look. This is what i've learned. People have paid me ten. Twenty five thousand dollars to learn this. And i wanna give it to you for forty seven dollars and that is my giving back to the community de got me to that ten twenty five thousand dollar place in the first place right that support me and that is loved me and that is my part of what will be my love letter back to the community and doing it. That way. Just gives me goosebumps. And i realized that. Oh that feels like a true calling. And just like your friend brian. I get to be able to have my cake and eat it too. I get to do that and i get to do that. And i also get to you know show up in point my toes okay so so before we started this conversation we were talking a little bit about i the way that your mind has been blown over marketing and like bringing that into this challenge and like this part of your career. Can you talk about the process behind. How your brain had to shift certain ideas or you know what what were some. Maybe misconceptions that you had about certain things that you're you're now being awakened to or shifting how thinking i did not understand anything about sales. I knew how to perform right. Which is i guess in the essence of selling someone else's work And you know i. My sales experience was in emotions right. That was my stock in trade emotional life and But i didn't really understand that sales just psychology game and if you want to dominate and be an elite marketer an elite sales person you must become an observer of people you must understand their habits their addictions why it is. They do the things that they do and say the things that they say. That's an elite level. And so i had to then not only recognize that. Oh my goodness. I don't know about how to sell. I had to shed. The f factor of sales of asking. Someone for money is what it felt like. I felt like. I'm asking people for money. And like i wrote this book audition secrets and i was like. I'm just going to give it away for free. And i'm going to do all these things for free because thank you very much. You might have gotten it for free if you got it early on. Because i was just like i don't know i don't wanna ask for money you know. Am i good enough enough me talk about lack of confidence but like what really i had to learn. The biggest thing i had to learn. Was that everything that we have that we value whether it's our shoes or ipods or a scar for this microphone or are close. Whatever everything that we have is the result of somebody's selling some body something. Just just look into this. Choose right somebody had to sell the material to somebody. Somebody had to sell the rubber. Somebody had to sell the lace all that and then somebody else put it together and they sold it to someone else who then sold it to whomever in gop to eventually sell to you and so sales really at the end of the day. I feel comfortable with sales. Because i am making sure that if somebody hands me ten thousand dollars i am handing them back a hundred thousand dollars worth of value. That's how i got through that. It's like i just have to make sure that what it is. That i am offering is of more value than the money in their hands that they are offering me right digitally or otherwise and that was one of the big shifts for me. Because before that. I was like l. people. That's so gross. I it's album. That's what that's what sales people do right because they've just been maligned throughout history but That was a big one for me. That was probably the biggest at is still really hard for me to get over like. It's i have this conversation at least once. A year of dislike this just really. Is it really value game when you stop thinking as selling someone something and start seeing it as giving value if you sell someone something for four hundred ninety seven dollars a month and you know they go. Let's rounded up to five hundred to make it easier and they go for two months and they've spent a thousand dollars and you teach them how to write a play and then that play goes to You know the la hoya playhouse. And it's seen by you know six thousand people over the run and then maybe that play go somewhere else but that one thousand dollars that you have charged them has an impact. That is limitless. Because that's six thousand people provided that they were touched by that play are going to go out and like good art. Does it makes us question things that makes us say. Oh do i really believe in this or changes us in some sort of way and you have forever altered the lives of six thousand people then go touch one or two other people who will then and you know you just have that sort of whatever that whatever that graphic thing that i failed algebra whatever that means exponential right amount of people right and so think of it that we think of adding value and if you can touch one person and encourage them to then create something that then goes out and touches an exponential amount of people then. There's no price tag to that. What are some things that people can look forward to in your core confidence challenge. What people can look forward to is if they are willing to really come into the room the digital room and hold space with me and with the other people in there. We're going to go and we are going to figure out over the course of five days the obstacles that have been holding you back from the things or thing that you want the most we're going to create a roadmap. I'm going to ask you questions and we're going to go some places that might feel a little uncomfortable. But we're all gonna hold the space together and we're all going to pour our care and our concern and our dreams and our hopes and our ideas and our visions into that space that were holding together. And we're going to discover some things that maybe we don't necessarily feel like we've discovered before feel even safe enough to have a conversation with some other people that are near and dear to us and so in that space. We're going to really tackle at the end the day and i haven't even told the people in my who are already registered for this but like at the end of the day what we are doing is in the service of radical one of the most challenging and detrimental emotions that we experience as human beings and the radicalization of shame. Shame we all know what that feels like. We all know at some point or another no matter what kind of body type you have. We know what it looks like to look at our bodies and feel shame and to be shamed by someone else we know what it looks like and what it feels like to be in relationships and to make choices or participate in activities that bring a such sham. We know what it's like to look at our bank accounts and two for influences and entrepreneurs and even entertainers to see how hard you work and then to look. And and even though i make good money but i also spend good money and i know what shame feels like when i look at my bank account and i'm like what am i doing. And we all know in one way or another the shame that we feel or maybe have felt when we've dipped into whether it was with our parents or when or whether it was just a part of our growing up the shame that can sometimes come with religion even spirituality and that might be the shame of not living up to a certain standard or it might be the shame of just not having any standards at all and so what i wanna do. Is i want to work it. Just thirty minute increments to forty minute increments a day to eradicate that i am in the service of a radical shame from your life because it will stop you from getting what it is that you want from achieving. What it is that you deserve to have in your life whether that's something with your body whether that's something with your spirituality whether that's something with your business whether that's something with your relationships with your children your spouse your family and so at the end of the day the development of confidence and core confidence that reaching inward and developing clarity commitment creativity and certainty in your life. It's just gonna pay dividends not only just for you but for the people you love and you and the people you serve. I was going to ask you this ties into what you're saying but with imposter syndrome right. That's been a huge thing that i've seen with myself personally in the last year for this last crazy time and i'm sure all listeners can also feel the same way at some point or another whether that was in the last year or whether that was before that and so would. Would you say the same thing to to those people as well as your anything that you could share with with those people who have those thoughts of you know it is that tied to you know having or not having competence yes one hundred percent and i would say to those people. The question that often crosses your mind and my mind is who am i to fill in the bike. Who am i to sit here and talk about confidence when i am not perfectly confident all the time. Who am i to sit and in front of a class of young people talk about you know ballet and dance is not me. This is speaking of someone else. Lord knows i. Ain't somebody talk about ballet and dance. But like who am i to xyz z x. And my counter question to you is if you have something that will serve to lift someone up especially someone in our community especially someone in the community in in your community. Whatever that may be if you have that knowledge whether you are decades ahead of them or whether you're just a week ahead of them my question to you is. Who are you not to do that. How dare you not give someone that vital piece of information that you have that hard one hard earned wisdom that will help them to avoid the pitfalls that you fell into and so that imposter syndrome goes out the window when you recognize that you don't have to be a phd in order to teach a class. You just have to be kind of like a a franken. I think his name is frank and catch me if you can you just gotta be a chapter ahead of the students at man went into harvard. I think it was with some ivy league school. And he taught some sort of all these geniuses. He taught a class not being a teacher and when the fbi asked him. How did you do that. He said i just was one chapter ahead of the kids. And that's all it takes. That's really if you a one step ahead of the people you serve. Then you're adding value to their lives. And who were you not to share that value. You know it's like you know there's something in the even biblically he has. The corn doesn't share. It is curse it's like you've got the goods. It is your moral obligation to share it with the world. Because you're gonna touch someone you're gonna help someone you're gonna save someone's life just like some body saved your life. Somebody touched you. Somebody inspired you. I have one more question before we head into our lightning round. But i'm wondering in its switching gears just slightly susan's your career is so busy and and you know you you don't live in new york but you'll lot of your work is new york based right And has been over the past couple of years. Why do you feel compelled to serve on the board at bucks county playhouse. And your connection there. I love the bucks county playhouse. Because i'm just a lover of history and the history of bucks. County playhouse is so rich. I mean grace. Kelly performed robert redford performed there so many people Who we all know and love have performed there and what that theater was and continues to be is another proving ground for great new. Works are to come and be seen by an audience yet. Do the quote unquote out of town. Run where we don't have you know critics and other people coming just yet. And so what. I was really drawn to was a. It's right in my backyard and site broadway in your backyard and performed their loved it but when i had an opportunity to jump on board i recognize that i had a chance to be a part of this historic place. That has touched my lives again. Touched the lives of so many people. I had a chance to create legs see in association with everyone on that board and i knew that and i have suggested things that maybe people who don't have the same angle on technology in the same angle on marketing And believe me. There are people anymore both But like who. Don't have the same angle that i have anyway that i could contribute. And when it came to the shutdown of of the theaters and and when audiences word allowed in you know alex frazier night the artistic director there very long conversation about the technology and the possibilities around streaming which i had been studying for years beforehand and so they are streaming. They are continuing to work that out. But those are the kinds of reasons a- and also the place just frigging gorgeous right like you come down there and being a new york actor is so fantastic to work there because you come into this town that has like straight out of berlin is like looks like rockwell painting and like it's gorgeous it's hip it's cool. You've got this gorgeous theater. That is his huge like barn and has history in it and like you can get right back to the city just like that and and so there are many many reasons to love the bucks county playhouse. Sharing that buried. You wanna move into our lightning round. Yes i do so we just go through some questions and we're not really going to respond per se Some of them are like quick answers. Some of them might take you a minute to think about. But what is one thing in the theater industry that confuses you the one thing theater industry that really confuses me the first thing i really think too as like chest like the the unions and not our union. I'm talking about like the stagehand union like that's like a whole world in and of itself. What are three adjectives. That describe your favorite working environment right ideal working environment quiet comfortable relaxed manner like so different from any answers. We've gotten now really quiet comfortable working not now right as this as this person who has been stuck in quarantine for the better part of a year with three children three dogs. My wife and i are like will pay for quiet and we'll pay. We'll we'll we'll let blood for it. That's it now when it comes to theater all my Just just loud and wild fun you know. Is there something in your process as an entrepreneur as an actor. Who have we want to define it that you find unique to you as both an entrepreneur and an actor the process that i find unique which is not the actual process will the processes unique but the act is not unique. Itself is the process of what i do every single morning. I get up at five o'clock in the morning. And i spend the better part of three hours doing the kind of work that ultimately i am going to end in the process of putting a lot of my clients through and it is a series of steps and questions and actions that really set your entire day for success and there's a yearly in quarterly in a monthly weekly daily process. That happens and i have never felt more focused. I've never felt in doing it for a while now. But i've never felt more in tune with my calling more open to information and literally more confident in my life and so That's really sacred for me that morning ritual that morning routine and you know you ask anybody who is successful. and i've done the research. That is a key component of lasting. Success is making sure that you have or routine and preferably in the morning to to set you up for success throughout the day. Do you have any resources or books that you find helpful to you and your process Oh my goodness and you mentioned rich dad. Poor dad which is awesome Here right i would say even that just just for people in our business to read rich dad poor dad and then the second book that comes after that cashflow quadrant. I mean the one thing in america and the american educational or miss educational system that we are not taught especially then as performers and actors dancers singers. Not talking about money. Nobody teaches about money. You know we'll maybe we'll maybe get a little class on it here and there but you know. I think it was you know Andrew carnegie says i i would love said i just want a nation of workers right i mean. They invested a lot of money in the education system. And it wasn't necessarily to give you an education or to give you know most people the kind of financial education that they should have and so when it comes to especially now when we are struggling to make every single penny counts. I would suggest read rich dad. Poor dad it's a great story first of all and then read cashflow quadrant because you will understand. Oh my goodness. I've just been a worker. Bee for most of my life. And i never getting anywhere. I'm trapped in the rat race. Oh but i could become a business owner which is not nearly as complicated as it used to be and then after that can become an entrepreneur and then i can become a business owner and then if i can build up enough capital enough wealth i can begin to invest in other people's things and And projects and ideas. And i can make money again off of other people's work. It's what people do in our business if you have money. You just invest in a broadway show and it's challenging. His as you know sort of semi russian roulette does that can be when you hit whoo it hits and you haven't lifted a finger to write a check right and so it's that kind of thinking that is not prevalent in our industry and so they who's our answer. We're getting there to pay. What is one job in the theater industry that you would trade jobs with a week. I would love to trade jobs with an md. Because i've always dreamed of being able to play the piano like most the mdc. I work with the stupid it talented or just so. I could see the world of mystery and intrigue. I would trade jobs with ken davenport specific. Yes they're not the puppets. Yeah just to know how the fingers are tied to all strings in the puppet master works. That would be absolutely fascinating. I think my view might be better though. I'm not gonna lie. i'm sure it is. It is but like it's just it fascinates me and i'm sure it's a world that i would just be like when the week is up. It'd be like thank you very much. I'm going to go back to doing what i do now. But yeah that's what i would definitely. Trade is one hobby that you have outside of the theater industry. When i really want to relax. I get on the xbox with my best friend and we play fiba soccer fee twenty twenty-one like online and we go and play soccer and i mostly lose and it is just like it's great and but when you're winning waiting and like the whole team is clicking together and me and my best friend literally on headphones with him on the cell phone and we're playing online he's A couple of towns over. And that's it. that's that's it. I wish i need a hobby so badly but my hobbies time is just like literally taken up by either by working or by children or by dogs or in the rare instance of being able to just set somewhere and look at my wife and kiss her face. That's that's a. That's the last question which is new for any of our listeners. Who've listened to multiple episodes we have. We're swapping out our infamous last question for one that is slightly more exciting more positive more helpful for anybody who hasn't listened to our previous episodes before we usually ask. What was the last great piece of theater that you saw and as you can imagine that's become much more difficult to answer as we get further further away from seeing live theater but We're hoping that this new question is very hopeful in until we can get back to seeing theater. The question is what is the first show that you want to see when broadway reopened. I want to see once upon a one more time. And i would love to just see a scene. I'm not in sitting out in the audience with all the production tables and the people sitting around with their lights and the stage manager working out the queues and furiously erasing in writing and be jealous of dull moments. When we're in tech and my people are up there and they're just getting lights focused. I wanna see that. I wanna see those things that those moments that. I took for granted before i wanna see those. I wanna see the rehearsal of the show that is going to eventually go up That i love. And that i cannot wait for people to see because it is going to. It's just the right show at the right time in the world. And it's like. I'm on some britney. Gimme something from the early two thousands. I know and love before all crabbing you all that and then mixed with such a wonderful story and fairytale Story and so. That's what i wanna see. I wanna see once upon a time and that may be selfish. But you know what i think after two thousand and twenty. We've all earned the right to be a little bit selfish when it comes to what we want from theatre. I love this question already. It's it's so much fun i did. Well thanks justin. Why god we're so. I'm still happy. Yeah they could find. You could be a part of your challenge on through handles absolutely. I'm at justin guarini on everything. If you can't spell guarini just look up the guy from american idol with the hair. I should pop up somewhere at least two or three down on the google search and work on that. Seo and then if you so If you want to find out more about what. I'm doing in terms of core confidence coaching. All you have to do is go to the core confidence. It should be not the but core confidence challenge dot com and register for my free five day core confidence challenge and beyond that. I am just a hop skip a jump away always on instagram with the dm. And you know if you can get in please these lease goto clubhouses dope clubhouse and i'll end with this clubhouse right now i don't know what it's going to be but it's only available for ios users and Some people actually have gotten some found some hack to not to get around the. Irs thing but right now it is a community of people where hundreds of millions of dollars of free coaching free networking. I mean unbelievable. People that are at the top of their game not just millionaires and billionaires but high level actors and acting coaches and casting directors and eight is a community filled with people who just want to give. It's crazy. I've never ever been a part of something like this. It is it is instagram and tiktok and facebook. All when it was like starting out right. that's clubhouse is right. Now it's in its infancy and right now. So many people are willing to give. I've made so many unbelievable connections with people And and my network again remember. I said your network is your net worth and when you go on. They're not only. Do you learn a whole bunch of things from a bunch of wonderful people but you get to increase your network and if you do it right and you go into it with the desire to give and to serve and to add value you inevitably will increase your net worth ma'am under episode of pinch stage but and now now now computerize. Thanks everyone for listening to this episode of page to stage to keep up with us. You can find us on. Instagram and facebook. Page to stage podcast. 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245: Rigorous Authenticity - Rich Madara

Daily Sales Tips

02:21 min | 2 years ago

245: Rigorous Authenticity - Rich Madara

"You're listening to the daily sales tips podcast. I'm your host Scott Ingram. Today's tip comes from longtime fan of the show and first first time contributor rich. Madera riches a sales capability advisor at CDW here. Yes Hi everyone. My tip is inspired by Ted talk that I saw recently the CEO of a healthcare software company delivered this amazing talk and attributed the success of his organization to one of three main principles. He followed called rigorous authenticity Kisdi. This really spoke to me as a sales leader in my experiences in technology sales this CEO Michael Brodie wait told us a story of how he came to a make or break rick moment with his organization. There was one feature of his software that didn't really line up with the goals of the client and it had the potential scuttle the entire deal. He was faced with a choice always. Bring this new information to the client and risk losing that whole deal or don't mention it and hope the client didn't notice until everything was all the way through to find out what what happens. I recommend you check out that Ted talk but when I reflect back and try to find something similar in my experiences there were many times where this rigorous authenticity built trust I in earned customers business that none of the other contributors on my team could earn when we look at this from the customer's perspective trying to think of how it feels when you encounter a salesperson salesperson who is authentic in not afraid to have an opinion about the solution they're offering. They stand out in for good reason our clients and prospects. They know that we're salespeople. There should be no shame that therefore there's no reason to mask our intentions or hide behind vague language or wishy washy promises for a cure. All all solution to the client's needs be authentic about your intentions have an opinion of the solution you're proposing or the challenge the clients facing and don't be afraid to give your client the truth even even when it's uncomfortable or could jeopardize your deal start practicing rigorous authenticity with your clients today and you'll earn more than just their business. You'll earn their respect. The respect of everyone you work with for link to the Ted talk that inspired this tip and for more about rich click over to daily sales dot tips forward slash to forty forty five then make sure your subscribe to the podcast and come back tomorrow for another crate sales Thanks for listening.

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132: The Lawson Family Christmas Murders

Ghost Town

24:09 min | 10 months ago

132: The Lawson Family Christmas Murders

"Support for this podcast come from. Cdw in del technologies at cdw. Wg we get the migration. See to a hyper converged. Infrastructure is challenging. Like decaf. Gotta do it gotta do it. Slowdown frowned cdw. Jeez experts can help simplify your transition. From legacy to hyper converged infrastructure with dell. Emc solutions that offer speed and agility. Have you done it. Is it done yet netanya. It orchestration by cdw people who get it find out more at cdw com slash dell. Emc a very silent knight. I'm jason horton. I'm rebecca lieb and this is ghost town there's a famous family portrait of a family called the lawson's and we're looking at it right now and it's really the entry point to this really creepy really dark murder case. That happened on christmas. So you look at the photo. And there is the oldest kid. Arthur than. There's his sister. Marie than those charles charlie lawson than there is his wife and and the rest of their kids and this was taken. It looks really like one of those kind of like standard-issue early century photographs where no one's really smiling. No one's really enjoying themselves. Everyone's dressed up in their their holiday. Best can't really tell who's older or younger the same age and that also factors into this case a lot so exactly. We've got this like top tier of these adults. That look like they're all kind of the same age on the same plane. The oldest son is taller than the rest of the family. Like it just feels like it's hard to know who's who and what what the dynamic is. I guess i was taken in late. December nineteen twenty nine days before christmas. Again it shows. Charles lawson's forty three fanny. His wife thirty seven. She's holding their baby and their seven children aged seventeen. Arthur aged sixteen his longer talking about the oldest boy not the oldest murray's the oldest carry h twelve may bell age seven james h four. Raymond h two and mary lou. Who's just four months in her mother's arms. They went into town to buy new clothes and to have a family portrait taken days later. All but one of them would be dead in. Nineteen eleven charles lawson. Or charlie married fanny man ring and they had eight children though. The third one william died of an illness when he was six and nineteen eighteen. Charles and fanny followed charles's younger brothers to germantown north carolina where they all settled in and worked tobacco farmers and this is part of the culture to a lot of the sources were from these smaller publications around the city. So they're still talking about it. It's it's still a giant case in this part of north carolina in nineteen twenty seven loss and saved enough money to buy their own tobacco farm and brook cove road. It feels like it was the american dream you know. These tobacco worker is being able to buy their own farm expand their family etcetera so in nineteen twenty nine. The family was doing pretty well. Charles and his oldest son. Arthur went hunting a lot. Charles took the family one day to get new clothes and again to have their portraits taken. Now it seems normal to us and again we talked about it feeling like a standard issue photograph from the time but this action would have been really weird to do for their social status. They were still pretty working class and the luxury of all new clothes for seven. Kids plus portrait plus. The parents was a really huge luxury at the same time. Charles was also a farm owner although newly so and moving up in the world so maybe he felt like he was appropriate given his ambitions given his new ownership. The reason for the photo is an important part. The murderers and it's also a point of debate. Why this happened on christmas eve. Charlie or charles went to his bank and withdrew the rest of his savings which is around sixty dollars and christmas day. It was freezing. It there were six to eight inches of snow on the ground arthur lawson sixteen was sent by his father to town by shotgun shells. He thought they were gonna go rabbit hunting christmas afternoon. Which was kind of local tradition. When arthur was away charles lawson casually weighted by the tobacco barn for two of his daughters. Ann may bell. They were on their way to their uncle and aunt's house to save their christmas hellos when he shot them with a twelve gauge shotgun than bludgeon them to death to make sure that they were dead. He dragged their bodies into the back of the tobacco barn. Then lawson calmly walked back to the house shooting his wife fanny who was hanging out on the porch. Hearing the sounds of gunfire four month. Old mary lou started crying so lawson bludgeoned her next. Some say she went last. But it's kind of hard to say. I would assume she would be close to her mother. He then went into the kitchen where he shot his seventeen year. Old daughter marie who just baked raisin cake for christmas the two small boys james and raymond who were only four and two years old attempted to find a hiding place blossomed found and shot them after all of this was done he positioned all of the bodies by putting pillows under their heads rocks for the two girls were left in the barn and crossed their arms and a kind of a funerary pose and then disappeared into the woods there according to people who had who found him later he was pacing figuring out what to do next. Initially neighbors were not alarmed by the gunshots because again rabbit. Hunting was a real thing but christmas tradition kind of a local pastime but then a couple hours later relatives arrived. Wish the lawson's merry christmas. Kind of what. The two daughters were about to do and they found the bodies along with the cake which was freshly baked. Then a gunshot was heard in the woods. It was charles lawson taking his own life by leaning back against a tree and using a fork stick to trigger a blast of his twelve gauge shotgun to his chest. So let's take a breather right there and we'll come back to this whole rafic seen in a moment. Today's episode is sponsored by best scenes. Though we love what we do. Jason and i don't just google true crime history all day. Sometimes we need a freaking break. That's when i close my computer and pick up my phone for a little best scenes. Have you heard of it. You should because it's gotten over one hundred million global downloads were huge fans of it and you should be two best. Fiends challenges your brain with fun puzzle levels. But it's not like this huge thing. It's casual you can play one level or seventeen. Whatever time allows for their enough stress in our life right now to own a game stress. You out best scenes is also a game. Anyone can play literally it is for adults but honestly anyone can and enjoy themselves. Let me break it down. Best fiends is an awesome mobile puzzle game and honestly different from anything. I've ever played it engages my brain. It's fine and is whatever type of commitment you want it solo maintenance. You don't even need the internet. The internet speaking of internet. I was playing best fans just to chill one day. I'm close to level two hundred and my power went out and honestly i did not even notice. I played relaxed. Relax and i was off the grid and it was so fantastic. I only noticed that. No power internet when it came back on. And i had to get back to whatever i was doing time. Engage your brain with fun puzzles and collect tons of cute characters. Trust me with over a hundred million downloads. His five star rated mobile puzzle game is a must play download best fiends free on the apple app store or google play friends without the our best fiends. Hello hi checking in christmas time. It's christmas time check. And it's a very merry check-in yes it's different Other holiday weeks i guess. And they're always i don't know is always time of reflection or yeah or things you look forward to or may be you or you know. What would i do this year. Or how did i turn out. What am i gonna get into next year What did i do this year. I mean for better or worse to poor careening towards two thousand twenty one which is a good thing also scary thing but but mostly a good thing. I will say. I'm excited for it. I'm always optimistic. i'm always looking forward to it. I kind of tend to don't have news resolutions or really don't do them Because i'm always kind of. I don't know i'm just always kind of in the in the state of of resolute unrelenting totally i mean i was just in the desert furiously journaling trying to figure out what's next for i guess i that is evidence to say that i do do that like i will do new year's resolutions or like around the new year like trying to start something else or try to be someone else. I don't know. I was vegan for a couple of months after one new year. Look at trinet. Don't look don't look so if you're you know what usually with family or with loved ones and you can't be you have a pretty pretty big family and i'm not seeing them but i gave up going back on christmas a few years ago. I was actually looking back on a photo that i took speaking photos or a photo. Facebook reminds you surely like hey remember when you're younger and thinner. Yeah i was doing a feeling locations. Let me that stuff went for the movie rocky. Et one of the. I think it's one of take places in philly pat or the other one you're from there is i know it's a point of contention and i remember. That was three years ago. When i remember i either got. I don't know what happened. I think i might have gotten either food poisoning or really bad flu but almost to be hospitalized. She's there. I was in an kind of in and out of consciousness in for like days and just throwing up nonstop and i don't know what it was remember when i look at that picture. I knew the next day and that was my trip to new york for christmas. I i was like. I'm not doing this back spending a lot of money in a lot of people clamoring getting i mean getting sick traveling for me easies naming big family and i tend to go to sit you know new york city philadelphia or somewhere new jersey and get sick so this is not new for me now also staying in l. a. Which is something i usually do is the best and even now in quarantine. It still has that same feel of like. You're not supposed to do anything you're supposed to stay. Put relax eat garbage. Watch shitty movies. Like sure shoots him tex out. Send some cards whatever. But like you are not here to do to be productive. You're here to relax. And that's i think that's a hard thing for the city in particular you kind of feel more to an act. So i'm always like now. You have to not send an email no work stuff. We're not going to be working because we're gonna already have had this recorded you don't care but work on your brand doesn't count right. 'cause i never stops never stopped. Jason will be working on his brand round the clock he is his whole personality is brand and that you can't parse that so don't make him don't you dare make him stop but we want to say hello to. Everyone was listening. Hello thank you thank you thank you thank you must say. Thank you to our government. I never takes a break. They don't brandon. Gaddis genetic link ashley. Mattson and ben forsyth. Governor chris with chris. Witt presides over them all yes. One one one man to rule them all. Yeah but they don't need ruling because they're they're killing themselves. Hello to them. Hello and happy. Holidays specifically to you guys are patriarch is patron dot com slash. Ghost towns pod bonus episodes. Just put up a bonus episode and then we have a documentary episode up and then you get episodes without ads or talking like this with some people i mean. I've gotten a bunch of messages of people going. But i what i lake house this house. The patriots that warms my heart a house the patriot like how is that. A bonus and i was like well a lot of people. Just want the information and they don't want this so we want to give them the option and there's also no ads in there also. It just gives people the option and we want to have that happen so thank you to anyone. Who's i know it's tough and if you know the fact that you're listening is honestly. Is it support enough. And it's not. That's not a thing where it's like. Oh yeah right no no literally. Just listening is enough. It has gotten me through soup dark times this year specifically like knowing that like people are vaguely interested in what we're interested in. It's been an incredible help to us yet. Please reach out over the holiday. If you wanna chat were both very responsive on social media we would love to hear from you. That would be great. Yeah also the lows. Phyllis murder house shirt is now on amazon amazon shirt. The approved it. Okay so it's interesting interesting. They will not getting one for christmas. I mean i don't know was it is on your amazon wishlist or only fast. Only fans marketing hard for this shirt. But i'll put a link in the description and you know case you want you wanna corporate version of one which is actually pretty cheap and free shipping. So wow you really. It's like you're always working. We're always under selling off trying to provide some value. Yeah i think that's good. I think it's very good. Yeah i am going to get one. Why not tonight your photos of ourselves. Oh boy rough as hell out. Speak for myself. I feel like if you look the same also wearing the same thing and everything one of two wear the same. Smiling pizza Crop shirt and it's like during your your deep in your thirties like chill out and also like the photos of most of us are the ones who are like were obscured the most like with with a strange light show. It's very stylized photos we got. Yeah i mean it's me. It's my own shit that i'm working through. You will only see the best. Yeah maybe you don't mean can do for maybe for me for a patient we can find some shady like that'd be great. Exactly it's just like your like what. Why did you yeah. Why did you make the decisions that you made. I don't know we have so many voters most of them are great. we're just being harder. Selves as we do in our. But we're really excited. There's some going to be some fun things down the line with him. Hopefully but you. I got my hair done safely. So let's show them off. Yeah the good the bad and the jewish but also fold under bad but yeah we yeah exactly but let's get away from judaism for a second. Let's get back to nine hundred twenty nine christmas day. When charles lawson's body found. They were two notes discovered in his pocket. One said quote nobody to blame but that stopped and the other said quote troubles can cause so to unfinished thoughts in his pocket. The sixty dollars. He withdrew before. Christmas is also found in his pocket and was eventually used to help pay for the funeral costs. Of course as you know. Arthur was still out the oldest son. Seventeen year old getting ammo. And i can't even imagine what this kid experienced when he came back. Arthur the only survivor. Some say that charles waited until arthur left to kill his family as arthur as you know from the photograph of you referenced sought. He's the biggest one in the family. They thought that maybe charles thought that arthur was going to stop him or you know. Try to subdue him from his mass murderer. You know the plan or or what have you. The bodies themselves were removed and eventually embalmed in the nearby town of madison because their their numbers overwhelmed the local funeral home. The funeral was at a small cemetery not far from the crime scene and attracted. Thousands of people was until recently the largest event that the county had ever seen souvenir hunters began picking the bloody house. Clean prompting charles's brother marion lawson to rope off the property and begin charging admission. That is dark. That cake that marie was begging the raisin cake for christmas it was left in the house for years under glass for the tourists to see it was later given to arthur as some kind of dark memento. The whole family was buried together in stokes. County cemetery like i said even charles though the murderer of the rest of the family and that grave stone which you can find line is also really really really dark. Legend has it that when the leaves fall in the cemetery autumn. They never land at his grave to add to this already. Horrific christmas story arthur. The lone survivor lost the farm. Despite his uncle's efforts to raise money for him started having drinking and died in an auto accident at age thirty two leaving a wife and four children he was buried alongside again. This confounds me the rest of the family. When he died they found marines raisin cake in a drawer it's like everybody dies but this cake persists in any case. The real question is why. Why did he do this. I like was it premeditated or not which most people think maybe it was with the money withdrawal but again. It's hard to know what way the photos actually go. Was it to pave the way for a prosperous future and to have photographic evanston of that or it was like a last photo type of a deal the year have been bad financially and it was right before the great depression so that i think needs to be taken into account there are stories of charles lawson sustaining terrible head injury and they're reported odd behaviors in the months leading up to christmas. That could have signified violence based on a brain injury or mental illness or maybe a combination of the two an autopsy report also mentions. The part of the brain was underdeveloped. But i also found a source of the brain was actually studied afterwards at johns hopkins and nothing abnormal was found. A few family members and friends came forward later. A few family members and friends came forward later to state that lawson had been carrying on an incestuous affair with his daughter. Marie and that she was pregnant. Which is horrible and now looking back them at photo which a lot of people have done in a lot of different forums. People speculate that her dress which is kind of like tight around the middle that she was maybe showing her pregnancy in the photo again ferry. Dark very a friend of the family. Debra hampton michael had a very close connection to the murders. I got a lot of again. A lot of info from local press and she was quoted quite a bit in a lot of the stories. Michael's great uncle charlie. Wade hampton was dating marie. Her grandmother was a close friend of fannies and they may have been even hanging out the night before. The murders christmas eve baking. She agrees with the incest. Motive quote. I talked to my grandmother about it when i was an adult and we both agreed that marie is obviously pregnant in the famous family. Photo my first thought was that it was charlie. Wade's baby but i asked. My grandmother directly of charlie was the father and she said absolutely not. It was marie daddy's baby and my grandfather. Hillary hampton was quoted in the newspaper that the reason for the murders was a quote family matter that he refused to comment about in the book. White christmas bloody christmas published in one thousand nine hundred also supports that incest was occurring and may have been motive for the murders the day before the book was to be published. The author received a phone call from stella lawson daughter of marianne lawson and marion was the brother of the charlie lawson stella said that she'd overheard fanny sisters lawn and discussing how fannie had confided in them. She'd been concerned about any incestuous relationship between charles marie long before the murderers. So it's dark. it's dark christmas. Tale very interesting to talk about the dynamic pint something as gruesome and horrific as the circumstances the loss and family that people have been talking about for a very long time. And we'll continue to talk about. I think there's some pretty obvious things. Yeah big family. Big family more responsibility hard to support. Yeah it's not a strange thing due to be under stress or to do something that is something you would normally do. It's christmas time Which i feel like whether it's a seasonal affective thing or there's also added stress on the holidays. I mean look at history in general. Yeah i mean. Historically people lose their minds shopping during the holidays and it brings out. That's not the bring out the best in you is brunell the worst. You said the you know we're in. The depression is looming. Yes is right there. And then i think kim ting at the money and him i think if he was always planning on doing it and then killing himself He would probably would have done it there. I'd imagine that's my guess. You think he was. Maybe going to try to escape away and he was like. Oh my god what have i done. I can't yet. he's just like there's just. There's no way i could either live with. This obviously was in a state of probably. I just want to be a swinging bachelor. I think he probably was like. I can't handle this. This is too much as these kids get older. There's a responsibility is is going to be compounded over a very very long time. And if they're struggling then and with the country in the world is struggling then financially as how am i. There's just no way i'm to be able to do this. We probably took out the money. I don't see by taking out the money being like. Oh before i kill myself. Tale the money I feel like he would have done it. They're like idea rose gonna do. And this is now my grand exit and then like you said sending out the sun. I kind of thought. Initially when you send him to get shotgun shells that maybe dad was gonna take off. Sun comes back into his shotgun shells. And you're like. Hey what happened here. And he's like. I don't know i just wanted to get shotgun shells now. Everyone's dead. Yeah where's my dad. And they're like. I don't know maybe we're gonna ask you that. Yeah that's something. They've gone that way. Maybe he was trying to paint it on him. Yeah i feel like a visits a lot of things that are very clear that mode. There's a lot of motives. Yeah i mean when we started this looking at the photo a lot. There's a lot of family there and then you bring in. The incest doesn't move help. Yeah so even without that it's pretty stacked deck absolutely trying to research story. It's hard to know. I used a lot of testimony and you know lots of reports. But it's hard to know because it's a lot of people's accounts over the generations so it's become kind of this larger christmas mystery as to the motive. Not as to what happened. Then i think it ever was was going to be just based on facts as so again if you live or no this story and live somewhere in the county and have more information. We would love to hear it. I i would love to know more about this or if anyone has different perspective or different theory because there's a lot of them out there so we would love to your it and if you have something nice to share you can do that too. I guess come on.

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118: The Disaster Draft

Ghost Town

22:51 min | 1 year ago

118: The Disaster Draft

"However one I'm Leah Attorney and co-host albeit true crime podcast crimes and consequences listen to prime consequences to hear your favorite true crime cases plus many murder stories you never heard before at product consequences, we dive deep into the details of the crime. So if you have a fascination with a morbid side of human nature, you really GonNa want to check us out go to. Google. spotify stitcher and anywhere else who was in your favor true crime stories and subscribed crimes and consequences a hardcore true crime podcast. The death of sports I'm Jason Horton I'm Rebecca lead in this is goes town. I live very close to dodger stadium and. It's not obviously the same as it used to be, but I was talking to another close neighbor and he was very upset about baseball not being the same and you know you can have your little cutout in the stands right now. But we kept talking and he said you know all things as they are. They may have to do their disaster draft. Who knows what will happen with covid with things you know we talk about Kobe Bryant earlier this year like it feels like everything is going haywire and I was like what is. A disaster draft do you know what one is I do not know but I wanNA know WanNa know you're ready to know Suzy Disaster Day whatever I'm in exactly I had no idea that this is the thing I'm not a huge avid sports fan but there is something that every type of sport has I just again founded out it is called the disaster draft or the contingency draft. It is a recovery plan developed by Professional Sports League to rebuild team's roster if too many of the players die. Or get injured mangled cannot play, but mostly it's because. There has been and I'm while talk about this instances where a whole team has died and they have to scramble to recover, and again when we talk about sports in general, we talk about money we talk about commerce unfortunately, you know and such a tragedy and. All the things that happened that would contribute to a tragedy like that people want to see sports even now people wanNA, travel together. Exactly. Exactly. So this disaster draft or contingency draft what brought this kind of concept to fruition were two very tragic, very important plane crashes as we were just talking about it started with the Supromega disaster, which could honestly just be an episode itself. It's really fascinating. Add the Italian football team granted Renault was set to win a fifth consecutive league title and flew to Lisbon for kind of a benefit match for another high ranking like soccer football in Europe's. Retirement party. So they got flown there on May fourth nineteen, forty, nine, eighteen football players on the team five football club officials, one of which was their manager who was a Hungarian Holocaust survivor three journalists, four crew members, and the flights travel organizer and some guy that I don't really know his functions as part of this tally. All died when the plane crashed into a retaining wall at the back of the Basilica of Supromega with stands at a hill on the outskirts of Turin in Italy. Again. All thirty one people on the flight died very sad really really hard hitting. There were three people that missed the flight, a man who couldn't get his passport renewed the president of the team who actually had the flu but really wanted to be there and then an injured player which again like I'm sure looking back on that they have some feelings and thoughts, but obviously everyone was in shock. That this happened two days. Later at the request of rival teams, trio were proclaimed the winners of the nineteen, Forty, eight, nine, hundred, forty, nine series as season on the day of the funeral half, a million people took to the streets of Turin to say their goodbyes. The footage is incredibly sad the following season the other top Italian teams were asked to donate a player to Torino to kind of. Re, conceptualize the team. The shock of the crash was such that the following year, the Italian national team travel to the nineteen fifty four World Cup in Brazil by ship. So this is something that hit Italy incredibly hard everyone was really Really invested especially when you think about football in Europe, how incredibly important is to the to culture and just a horrible horrible tragedy. Then seven years later on December ninth nineteen, fifty, six, and one of the worst air disasters in Canadian history sixty, two passengers were killed on Trans Canada Airlines Flight Eight, one, ten from Vancouver to Calgary after encountering severe icing and turbulence over the mountains the plane collided into mounts lessee I. believe that's how you pronounce it in route to Calgary all six people on board again died including five top players on the. Rough riders football team returning home from Vancouver Game. Again, another a horrible thing not as big of a blow to a team per se but. A different place similar idea of losing this team or part of a team and not knowing how to recover. Interestingly. Enough during the delay before takeoff six passengers purchased. Two, hundred, sixty, five, thousand, five, hundred, seventy dollars in flight insurance, and after the crash because conditions were. So treacherous Canadian authorities couldn't collect the bodies until snow melted. So the body's just were left on the mountaintop for months. To make sure the buys didn't get looted candidate named amounts lassie a provincial cemetery which meant that no one could climb or go up there and no one could loot these people these bodies that were in this devastating crash. These to really horrific incidences pave the way for the disaster draft like you said, athletes traveled together a lot as a result of these incidences and honestly like ten other ones that were devastating where people lost to five players on a team maybe not as specific as these. This is where all these leagues developed the disaster. Recovery Plan should something absolutely horrible happen the general expectation is to when something happens to anybody just in general just to say what usually goes down is when a player leaves or dies or whatever you get someone who's a free agent or from the minor leagues and bring them up to. The major leagues, but it doesn't always go that way. Often a disaster plan is a closely guarded secret to not encourage anybody or anything to happen to anything not to give anyone any ideas. It's really hard to get the actual information for what each plant is, but there is a little bit for each one. But for the most part, if they are true, there's a lot more to them that are in place that we don't know about. So it kind of feels a little conspiratorial in a way and that's really interesting to me. Let's take a little break support for this podcast come from cdw on Dell Technologies. cdw Gee, we get migrating your agency to a hyper converged infrastructure is challenging. Woes slow down friend CDW JEEZ experts can help simplify your transition from legacy to hyper converged infrastructure with Dell technology solutions that offer speed and agility. At Dunya RT orchestrations by CDW J. People who get it find out more at CDW DOT com slash. DELTEC. Hello. Hello. How are you? Hi, this is our weekly check in. Hello. How's everything going? We just ate a lot of fried chicken we did. But as a place, that's the last or second to last minor chicken. Yeah. So I went and took some photos like a Weirdo I do yeah and I was like well, I mean already here can I get should I get fifty dollars with chicken? The inserted but it's more more. It was two thousand dollars with chicken. So we did that he killed the pain for a little bit. I mean, my parents are very tight now, which is why if you if you feel a strain coming from my voice, it's it's because it's fat logged. It's chicken fat logged, but I'm doing okay it might help if you ate less fried chicken picked up a book Oh. Yeah. I mean I'll do it as long. As they don't have to go for a jog I mean I can't also the F- The fires here the air quality is very bad. So you can take a mental drug through Los Angeles with the book abandon historic Los Angeles Neon, and beyond it is available for preorder will be very soon. 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All anyone else who's supporting the Patriot we appreciate it anyone who's listening. Thank you talking about how you know like? We just want people to listen like. We talk about all this. Stuff that's honestly really important and the fact that you know people people listen or or reach out and everyone's been really cool. Somebody actually just reach that I saw some of the bad reviews you got and he's like I don't get it and I'm like well, you know. Thank you. I was like it makes it worth they want somebody who's like I don't I don't get why you were not popular in high school I don't get it. was very annoying. Really. A nothing to bring to the table. So that's Something to do with it so. There's that and like that facade though. The belief is not the reality. I want to throw one more thing out there. Please because been communication with somebody WHO's interested if we people that send us a lot of really great ideas definitely, it's there already there's not one I saw I was like this is not interesting. They are. There's so many things but if you're somebody who's like, I also like to do the research on them which is probably my least favorite not that I don't like reading about it or like. Watching Click whatever it's me compiling the information is my prime, my least you love doing I love I, love you I love it I do I do but you make a good point in that. We only know so much I. We both love you know mining the Internet for its richness. It's strange jewels but I think someone who has a wider scope of the inner recesses of read it stuff like that. There's things that you brought up for example that I'm like Oh, my God. Tells me and I just like these are and they end up in a lot of these episodes and if you're somebody like you know. There's a couple of topics I. really like I'm willing to do the research. You know obviously source it and don't just cut and paste it because we can do that very easily ourselves. That would be sure we could put out five episodes a week if that's all I'll definitely. But if I reach out to if you're somebody in the, you know we can we can. We can talk about it and how we could. Make it worth your while. I'm winking do they? Can they see him be winking? Turkey Creepy said Wink Wink. Yes. That's that's where I'm okay. Do I need more chicken? No well no, but I'm taking the rest with me. Oh. Yeah. That's right. That's right. I forgot. Acuity Chicken Li Oh God. One thing I didn't forget though is a disaster draft very important will haunt me for a long long time. Should we get back? INTO OKAY So I'm GonNa, talk about now the specific disaster graphs, these contingency plans that each. Of Sport has to start with the National Basketball Association, and I want to say again. The research that I do is there wasn't a lot out there like there is a little bit here and there I pieced it together brought it to you, but it's supposed to be very secretive and like I said for reasons of being, you don't want to give anyone any ideas you don't want to encourage anything you WANNA make sure this is low profile as possible which added to my intrigue. So the national we're gonNA talk about it. So here we are over the airwaves We don't talk about it. Who will were heroes the national basketball. Association's contingency plan is a disaster draft in activates if five or more players on a team die or are dismembered that as the actual word, the NBA teams each get to protect five of their players one of six to be drafted into the team that the disaster happen to know more than one player would be drafted from a team. So when I say a disaster draft Amina draft that happens and the other teams that give a player. Or players have to kind of scramble and do their own thing dependent on what the sport entails for them. So that's what the National Basketball to do is also crazy that when I kept reading about these things that they have to make a choice like that teams have to be like here, the players high McKay with getting rid of here, the players that absolutely do not want to get rid of, and that is kind of specific to the national on self that says something about you. Yeah you know. You're right. You get drafted into the second. Let's get rid of Jason. Doesn't even know the sport. Why is he is the bench? Yes. People were sitting on him yeah. Bench exactly. That's given to this team has suffered a horrible. Every on is, is you know our Primo players but? The. The worst of the best. Yes. Exactly. Or like anyone team needs kind of a thing. So the NFL. Now, the NFL has a near Disaster and eight disaster plan smart. A near disaster is defined as fewer than fifteen players on a team being disabled. And a disaster is fifteen or more. They don't talk about death specifically disabled as the war that the NFL uses a lot but you can kind of infor that means more to no special draft would be held for a near disaster. The team would play out the season began preferential rights on any waivers. Until the end of the season I did not know what a waiver was, but a waiver basically means that if a quarterback has died, for example, the team would be able to draft up to quarterbacks from any NFL team with three available or like enough that they have plus one for them of the three quarterback teams, each would have to would be able to protect. Their one and the drafted quarterbacks that would go to the team with disaster would just return to their original team the following season it's kind of like a athlete on loan. For disaster, the commissioner will determine whether to cancel the team schedule for the season. If the team season is canceled, the team would have the first pick and everything. The next regular draft than the other teams would be able to choose their players. After that team has chosen not canceled, the near disaster procedures would be used. which makes sense to kind of a thing. But also not great if you're like I got this amazing team were the NFL very high profile. When you think about a quarterback relate some of these players that are. Key to a teams identity, and then just like losing a couple of them, I met in the pressure has got to be thinking it the pressure of staying alive when. Essentially, YOU'RE A thirty million dollar product in a sensor what your whatever your worth in in you know sponsorships and and you know how much money you generate for a team or league or a corporation has got to be really high really high. Yeah. There's a lot riding on that I can't travel together more. So I, think so I think we need a plan. Yeah. I would say we'll discuss it after another bucket of chicken will make sure very valuable. So let's move on to the National Hockey League. The NHL contingency plan activates if five or more players on. A team are killed or disabled. In this case, the team would select players from other NHL teams paying for all of this with funds from a special disaster insurance fund I don't know where that money comes from feels very Canadian to me but there's a lot of money that would help support the team that would help with transfers of people and putting people up and making sure that it's as easy as possible once the team has a goalie and fourteen players than a special draft with the other teams would be held with each team able to protect one goal and ten players. To the ones again would be up for grabs, but they would be able to at least like retain the teammates that they would want to retain after the special draft. So let's move on to major league soccer. Major League soccer has what is referred to as an extreme ship provision which can be used if a team has less than fifteen available players, which is probably the nicest way anyone is put this. However, this is on a game by game basis and any contingency plans. That may exist are very, very top secret and I couldn't find much beyond that. Again, this is the one where it's like soccer football like this is the stuff worth these things actually happened to team members so. This sector of sports more than any other is really you know opaque very top-secret vary like we don't want you to know what's going to happen because again, we they've lived this very scary major league baseball is arguably the second most secretive out of all of them because so much power and decision goes in in my research to the Commissioner of Baseball. So it can be like whatever his call is and we'll go through. Some of the rules, but it's at the end of the day. It's like what how does the Commissioner feel who gets to go in that team based on what he says do we just cancel baseball that year he has a ton of power. So the rule book says that in an event causing the death dismemberment or permanent disability of at least five players from teams active injured or suspended roster during season including the playoffs. or at least six players during the off-season Major League Baseball, Commissioner will decide of the Disabled Club can continue to play in consultation with the Players Association and the club. So what by club? It's team which again was like, oh. Yeah. I'm I understand now if the Commissioner decides that the Disabled Club continue to play the commissioner holds a restocking draft to allow the disabled club to select as many players as it lost with. The restriction that no more than one player can be selected from each of the other teams in the League. Each of the non-disabled teams makes the players available for the draft taken from its active list. If it's during the off season from its reserve list composed of one pitcher, one catcher, one outfielder, one infielder and one more player of any position subject to adjustments by the Commissioner based on the players lost by the Disabled Club. So they have to just kind of make available. Whatever, the team that lost players lost luckily, no baseball team has ever suffered a catastrophic plane crash, but this is baseball is very secretive because. In one, thousand, sixty, a plane carrying the Minneapolis Lakers made an emergency landing in. Iowa in the middle of a cornfield nobody died or was hurt but like they're the closest to that. So obviously, they're the most scared about it I guess as opposed to like the soccer football team. So those are the disaster draft contingency plans of sports leagues in the case of some t member losing a bunch of players it's a scary thought. But I guess I'm glad that there's a plan in place in general. Because we need sports, we need our sports yeah I. Think. So I mean, I'm not a huge you know but I mean I love I love Los Angeles and I support La Teams, and you know I'm happy for people that are excited for their teams and they're already a hometown pride. Actually, I did an episode on Stranger very reason episode nine, hundred, nine, but Payne Stewart, who's the popular was popular Gulf personality and that personality player Gulf player wives in per personality. Great Personality has a personality and also player it's not defined by one thing but just for one individual like all, all the things are at stake when somebody the reason that the episodes not because. Somebody from Golf Dot, it's the circumstances around it were very strange Henson strange ear, not gonNa tell you more funding for yourself? I. Think also something with the Royal Family with that too or they can't be an or is it something with high ranking government officials? Were you just can't all? Be I think I heard about it with the royal family where you can be in the same plane because that's I mean music is always gotten hit like skinner for sure like they. I mean they've been banned for a very long time with almost no members since nineteen, seventy seven and wasn't they pulled vets great good. Yeah. Good for them and then you know the day, the music died Holly Big Bopper? Is a lot of people. If you go I'm still doing the podcast if I go into podcast is. With me, that's probably true.

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Chevy Chase Roast Disaster

Ghost Town

21:19 min | 11 months ago

Chevy Chase Roast Disaster

"Support for this podcast come from. Cdw in dell technologies at wg we get the migration see to a hyper converged. Infrastructure is challenging. Like decaf. Gotta do it gotta do it. Slowdown frowned cdw. Jeez experts can help simplify your transition. From legacy to hyper converged infrastructure with dell. Emc solutions that offer speed and agility. Have you done it. Is it done yet netanya. It orchestration by cdw people who get it find out more at cdw slash dell emc a fall from chase. I'm rebecca. i'm jason horton and this is ghost. town is actually isn't arose jesse. It's an intervention. We are all here. We want you to stop making movies television anything. We stop in september. Two thousand and two the comedy. Central roast of chevy chase was only aired once. That's a good thing right. It's not very common for a comedy roast to only aired. Once i've got to come. I went to one comedy central roast. The roast of james franco. Oh yeah you mentioned that. It was really good and a lot of people. There are a lot of his friends and peers and respected people in the industry. It was a real who's who If you've never watched a roast or comedy central roast or missile friar's roasts. It's meant to be celebrating somebody but it you really stick it to. Was we avenue. You're getting roasted. If a roast is so mean that it's agree that only gonna air it once that's pretty bad. Yeah and chevy chase is the recipient of getting roasted and also the person that was like i. I don't want this to ever arrogant. Yeah no and also if you're not familiar with roast and comedy central the ear the shit out of them like they're if you get a roast produced by your comedy central. You're an air. It like on the hour like they just there. They repeat over and over. People who are roasted like pretty. Can't be trying to think of other people like jenny. Mccarthy like people like that are roast. i mean there's also trump was roasted donald trump who remember that Very if you wanna very cringing thing isn't very off topic. I'm admitting that. I see the comments on apple. Podcasts goes off topic. But it's on topic very cringe-worthy performance in a roast Mike the situation out god from jersey shore no he was a roaster. Here's a roaster ghana on the donald trump episode. And it is. I think it was. It was really bad granted. He's not a comedian actor. And i don't know if somebody wrote his head or he writers and yeah. It was just very embarrassing. Yeah so that's a pretty notorious notorious cringe thing for roasts. But they're meant to be cutting and everyone kind of rose and it is like a. Who's who is supposed to be campy like. I just looked up right now. Like william shatner pamela. Anderson recently was yeah is people that are pretty popular but also people that had interesting past. Yes they're kind of life for that. Chevy chase didn't have many friends or people he worked with at the roast. They wouldn't do it. That's how bad it was for chevy chase in two thousand two and his notorious history for being difficult to work with. Yeah not a nice person. Real asshole yeah or that. Yeah i mean. I would never say that in a roast because i mean but i'm gonna say you're dickhead. Your real jerk using this guy can't remember his lines. What it sometimes. It takes a few minutes professional professional professional term. Yeah that says a lot though. I think when your friends won't and and again the rose characterize is being like pretty mean so like if they're your friends and and i would say like there is like they. Comedy central brings in people who are just like interesting names that don't read their yes master totally kind of a staple of that how i got here i mean obviously heard. I'm not a huge chevy chase. Fan based on vied puts out what i've heard about him. But i'll tell you how i got here and it goes back a little bit. I watched the documentary belushi. Oh how is that. it's really good. Yeah and i kind of had to ask myself. The question is john. Belushi funny which i know is super taboo. If you're a comedian listening to this that is a very popular question. I'm not the only one to ask. It's actually is john belushi funny and i've had some conversations about it and is he talented. Absolutely the pioneer. Yes because he's a really good physical comedian and he really had ambitions and was interesting and those early days. The earliest days of saturday night live when he knows. It's easy in hindsight to say what's funny. And what's not and i think what some of the issue is that. A lot of the comedy is a bit dated. It's kinda like steve. martin. Stand a little bit less. I think steve martin is seems like a wonderful guy. I know he's an icon but a lot of his a lot of comedy is just up the time That doesn't take away their talent. And i'm not saying not talented but also a lot of what john belushi did. Was it necessarily funny. Like i think somebody more modern than him would be like chris farley. No right now. People are disagreeing Talking about religion. And but the thing is and maybe. Because chris farley's little more modern and i met chris. Farley has different kind of tragedy. I think you're gonna tell us where you met chris farley. I met him in new york near the college in the college town of new paltz and it was him. It was adam sandler david spade and they were there. I on a kind of like a retreat type. Place their furs. Saturday night live your. This isn't really dating myself. And they tried to get to this bar that my friends and i were at wouldn't let it makes it any. Id and i'm not gonna tell i'm gonna. I'm saving chris farley story. Pay people but chris farley would be a modern version of john belushi. Yeah very physical. I think chris farley was good actor for that. I thought it was a good actor. And i also think even more time i think john belushi would be a really good actor. Young john belushi also in the book. That i read the castle on sunset about chateau vermont. Famously he died there. He seemed like the nicest dude like just like really like again. Very complicated. Human being but like always treat people with kindness and respect and i think all of these things kind of play into the larger than life reputation of someone. Again we're talking. Chevy chase plays into that too. Think from what. I'm gathering for the documentary. John belushi was not. If if you're a woman writing on saturday night live was probably very difficult for the woman. Damn the book talks about him. So glowingly and i'm sure there are very like kind of nice kind of fund things but it seems like somebody who's probably also difficult to work with because is kind of in some ways it as much as i'm like not a huge fan even looking back at animal house it was like i don't know if this is it's important but i don't know how it is issues with drugs and and was just a complicated interesting dude but i think he would have been really mean that we neighbors. That didn't does last movie and it didn't. I don't think it did well critically 'cause he dan ackroyd switch what characters i think they would normally played a type but i think he'd be a really good actor and i'm not taking anything away from that but that leads me to because of the documentary him and chevy chase were notable rivals Where chevy chase was kind of the star of snl and john belushi was kinda taking a back seat. But i just remember. When i remember chevy chase is very charismatic is very i think in a broader sense funny to every one whereas yes he was physical is also kind of like a like a a tallish looking guy like not conventionally good looking books or i mean you could see yeah that kind of all that and you could see it definitely in his movies that he was meant to be a star and i think he's very talented and he's a really good actor playing that frustrated person in the vacation movies and other things is like us in such so compromise. A little bit of what. I liked about john. Ritter and jack tripper character just some similarities with that kind of like charming but also falling at the same time. Yeah and you kind of making a fool of himself. easter wanted. He wanted to be your kind of around him but his reputation for being very difficult to work with and be around and and an ego and there's just tons and tons of stories but y- guests. He found out how much he was really unlike contract. Maybe everyone lives in a bubble. Everyone is hanging out all the time. So you don't know what you don't know now. I think this comedy central roast. He found out in a very public way that he was not very well liked and he did not take it will So i was watching some of it and you watch in. It's not so much that what they're saying so mean or it's like whoa that's too far. It just seems like you had a party and you couldn't get any of the people you'd want there. I maybe beverly dangelo was there. And paul For from snl but nobody else from snl. Nobody else from that mean those. No not a bill. Murray dan aykroyd or any of those. People definitely not like jane curtain. Now on the people you want like when you you're like oh when you think of a roast of chevy chase you'd be like of course i want those people like the old gang is back also with a row slick. Things can turn so quickly if if the mood is not right and he hasn't staples there yet. Kathy griffin okay. Yeah marc maron like an early. Marc maron young by by young. I mean thirty. Eight young mark mary and it sorta way. I'm gonna compare tuna. This is not me talking politics. I know we don't talk politics. You never hear me mention. Donald trump very seldom you. Do i mentioned this on the spot for a long time. But i will say as donald trump has special celebrity guests for for the most part. And the if you disagree with your lines yourself. But i'm sure there's other people he would rather have at his things. Yeah but those people won't show up for that. Yeah the price you pay is like why get to be the president. I get to be this person. I want to be just pay. Yeah is no one that you want comes to the party. Yeah it's not meant to be political. i'm just saying some. It's very obvious and you anyone who kind of knows it's like that's for whatever reason and that's what i think happened in this case and to see make no one showed up some sure he was like you're the star. You're the big man. And he probably does that wherever he goes and he got any realizes like. Oh none of these people like. I don't even know most of these people and the jokes like not. I think they came from people that he respected and work with. Pink just came from people that are like i'm also a i'm also like in this business and has tons of of rose. Words like knows dude. It's like oh. He was on like a comedy central clip. Show once and that does happen. But this didn't have anybody from that and then when these roaster coming. It's like nobody likes you and this is coming from someone who's no you and like you and that's worse than having somebody tell you something and i think he he took. It took it really hard poured into imdb truly shocked and hurt by the comments directed him in the roast chase new. He burned some bridges over the years especially among his former. Snl co stars but was unaware about how much as peers had come despise him as a result of his past behavior. As soon as the rose was over chase went straight to his hotel room and saw the entire sinking into depression while paul shaffer comforted him. Paul schaefer that's only one from snl dam would come not the bad thing but but also i what does she d place to be to just be like corralling and upset chevy chase on the way home to the hotel and motel room like i'm supposed to be he's supposed to feel like wow. What is my my career. Oh and it's great to a lifetime achievement award but from other people that you respect you just find out it's like oh hey yet this night's gonna be for you We've got some people. You barely know totally out of touch. He was like really this is. It's not like it was him. This is like wouldn't wanted community was gone in two thousand two hundred seven okay but like she does not even realize that that's going to happen to you like to not even have any like if he would've known that of course you would have said no but the fact that he was living in a world where he's like oh we'll get some people like a ton of friends but it'll still be fun and then to be blindsided by like list comedy central celebrities and then to freak the fuck out on the way home like that is your in a bubble my friend which i imagine that. He's not the only celebrity to be in a bubble mariah carey. We'd never said yes to this. Though example there's people that have the self awareness. I think he didn't realize but i don't think that i can't speak for him. I don't think that changed him because apparently his behavior on community which. I've never actually watched. And i don't know if it's all him or what. The case may be not speaking that but it wasn't great And will ferrell said the worst. Snl host he experienced in his time at us. Anelle was chevy chase pre toughening. Sure he was a fan of chevy chaser into to see how difficult i mean. It's it's got to be tough to be publicly except for everyone runs into people's like are you got an off day or take your jerk to me. The next day you're totally add imagine how many cumulative testimonies you need to get a reputation as being difficult begin with a lot and then to take it to the next level where like will farrell is publicly saying again. I've heard really great things about him and like how nice he is not belushi style. Nice but nice to everybody. I just the book. I'm telling you can. Sunset says is probably a lot of that is true but i from what i'm gathering. Listen i'm for people that have issues with drug dependency and celebrity are probably difficult to deal with. They can be the worst or best person that's going to bring something out sure. And that's unfortunately the the side effects of veterans or could be an. I'm sure he was probably great and nice a lot of times but also came to ego and was probably used to be hard for women in the entertainment industry. You didn't know that. I just like sailed in show running four different shows net flicks hulu. Hbo max hbo plus hbo now. I'm still happy. So there was a lot in community which i've never watched one because somebody herman talking about an asshole honestly. I know dan harm it is. I don't know him. I probably ray. i've been with him. I want to like him yet. Community is not really my jam. Either to be honest and again. I'm sorry if people who differently people love the show. It's really smart. It's really funny but like it's hard because it's like chevy chase's a genius dan harmon genius. There are limits to being a genius and your success. If you're a total asshole. Like i've always said when like people like while take me out for coffee or like pick my brain cause i'm again i'm like not successful but enough for that happens every once in a while and i'll be like just like be nice to people and be okay to be in a room with for fourteen hours. That's the key and with people like that. Were so immensely talented. Who can't who are undercutting themselves and their immense talent. Because they're so difficult. It's it's like heartbreaking. There were obviously between dan harmon. Who seems to have kind of a own up to some of his transgressions. I don't know i'm not. I'm not here to support him or not. Literally zero state never watched anything. He's done some sort of community of the first episode. Yeah under watch. So i have no stake. I mean i know somebody somebody. That dated him totally. Maybe a roommate. Ex-roommate of mine. Yeah that was awesome. Yeah it's a long term relationship with this person. i pretty intense. Yes so and then also just not so veiled racism on the set communities. Sexism things like that where this two thousand and two roast did not. I don't know what it did if it just he just like some people especially lately where they just feel like they just lean into the bad things. Yeah with our could could kinda have a come to jesus moment i guess but no. I think i'll just lean into the thing you don't like about me more and let that define. I don't know what the cases but totally announced. I want you to think about it from the row. Steve's point of view or the roasters point of view. I guess like these people again. They're not as big of celebrities. Chevy chase they put on the show like kathy griffin sure. She's a staple. But like it's a young mark merits like yeah. He wants to make the best most cutting jokes that he wants to do. From this person that he kind of idolizes but also. He doesn't know very well so again. It's just like it just speaks to the lack of self awareness for someone putting themselves in that position according to gawker. It was the saddest evidence. How few friends. Chevy has less god and put a button on it. And this is something very kind of sad and this is going to be in support of chevy chase. Oh my brothers. Sent me a tiktok from the official. I guess the official talk of kamio kamio Yep a celebrity. Tell you something sure whatever. Well they used one of them for their tick tock to promote cameo and i honestly had to rem is is this really cameo. That's posting this or somebody. I thought it was a joke. Throws a mean joke but it is one that chevy chase did for somebody kind of out of sorts. He's also is old. But i mean break eighty five now exactly but it's just a very confused because also it's like. Hey you're doing this thing cami on money or charity or whatever and i'm sure he's probably like what is what is this too but he is trying to remember something from the movie vacation honestly. It's really sad. I thought it was in really poor. Taste i don't know who let that slide. Because i was like i thought it was somebody who got in his posted on tiktok to be dank as they say which i would have gone but this was just very kind of mean changes for a wide. Cameo would use that to advertise kamya. Yeah also it's like. Hey what's up. Tick tock you love this guy. Born in one thousand nine hundred twenty right is bad. Move just a bad call. There's a lot of vince. Neal on for motley crue. Just now i mean. That's i mean if you're going to get a cameo get kato kaylin because he will write you a song i was. I was on an episode of speaking community. Joel mchale yeah. I was on an episode of a clip of talk soup when i was on kato. Kaylin cz yes. I totally remember that. So you have connections to all these people. Do you want cameo.

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Christmas Ghost Story: The Kit Bag (GT Mini)

Ghost Town

14:21 min | 10 months ago

Christmas Ghost Story: The Kit Bag (GT Mini)

"Support for this podcast come from. Cdw in dell technologies at cdw. Wg we get the migration. See to a hyper converged. Infrastructure is challenging. Like decaf. Gotta do it gotta do it. Slowdown frowned cdw. Jeez experts can help simplify your transition. From legacy to hyper converged infrastructure with dell. Emc solutions that offer speed and agility. Have you done it. Is it done yet netanya. It orchestration by cdw people who get it find out more at cdw dot com slash dell emc. The ghost of christmas past. I'm jason horton. I'm rebecca lieb and this is ghost town Do you remember andy. Williams nineteen sixty three christmas song. The most wonderful time of the year classic classic this singer at lists off festive traditions associated with christmas. One of them one line that is is. They'll be scary ghost stories and tales of the glories of christmases. Lon long ago that a sound classic as far as christmas right now think so either. And so i looked into it on. This is a nod to a tradition. That i'm bringing back tonight. We're here collectively distorted new tradition and that is scary. Ghost story christmas. In victorian england christmas stories were absolutely a thing. A christmas carol published in eighteen. Forty three is a ghost story and one of many christmas themed ghost stories. Charles dickens wrote people don't know this but for much of the nineteenth century. Christmas was totally associated with ghosts and supernatural and crazy shit like that. It was totally normal. It was like halloween to not the movie but it was like the holiday whenever five or six english. Speaking people met round fire on christmas eve. They start telling each other ghost stories. Author k jerome wrote in his eighteen. Ninety one collection told after supper. Nothing satisfies us on christmas eve. But to hear each other till authentic anecdotes about specter's it is a genial festive season. We love to muse upon the graves and dead bodies and murderers and blood. Just like us. They're just like us. The tradition probably went back centuries when board families. Just tell to. They're freakishly scary stories night. Kind of like what. I didn't college plus ever clear but go. Storytelling was a tradition that puritans were not very into as you might imagine so it never gained traction in america. Washington irving helped resurrect number forgotten. Christmas traditions in the early nineteen th century. But it really was dickens. Who popularized the notion of telling ago story on christmas eve and leaned into it a ton with his christmas editions of publications. He edited but kind of stopped himself around the eighteen hundreds but in europe. The idea of telling christmas go story was pretty set at this point. Even the idea of santa claus was more sinister. During the victorian era and english legend had impaired up with the devil in like a good cop. Bad cop duo to figure out which children had been naughty. And which it'd been nice and how their fates should be carried out the devil. Cements guys cramps. Kidnapped beat disobedient children while santa was often depicted in christmas cards slinging around and spying on children through windows which is incredibly victorian and cramps. To is something that. I think. A lot of people are familiar with the idea of this. Like christmas demon warlock. But i want to say campuses. Its own thing. Victorian era christmas. It was more of like santa. Claus is not really cramp assi even as late as nineteen fifteen. Christmas annuals of magazines were still dominated by ghost. Stories santa beatings and weird victorian christmas cards florence kingsland nine thousand nine hundred four book of indoor and outdoor games still list go stories as a fine fair for christmas celebration. The realm of spirits was always thought to be near to that of mortals and christmas than any other time. She writes so. I'm going to read you an abbreviated. Classic christmas go story. it's a pretty famous one. It's called the kit bag by algernon. Blackwood published in powell magazine. Nineteen eight so grab a cup of hot cocoa watch out for an evil santa a peeping inside your window. This is the kit bag when the words not guilty sounded through the crowded courtroom that dark december afternoon. Arthur willa bram. The leader of the triumphant defense was represented by his junior but johnson. His private secretary carried the verdict across to his chambers like lightning. It's what we expected. I think so the barrister without emotion. And personally i'm glad this cases over there was no particular sign a pleasure that his defensive john turk the murderer on plea of insanity had been successful for no doubt. He felt as everyone who had watched. The case felt that no man had ever better deserve the gallows. I'm glad to so johnson. He'd sat in court for ten days watching the face of the man who had carried out with callous detail one of the most brutal and cold blooded murders of recent years be council glanced at a secretary. There are more employer and employed for family and other reasons. They were friends. I remember yes. He said with a kind smile. And you wanna get away for christmas. You're gonna skate and ski in the alps aren't you. If i was your age i'd come with you. Johnson laughed shortly. He was young man of twenty six delicate face like girls. I can catch the morning boat now. He said but that's not the reason. I'm glad the trial is over. I'm glad it's over. Because i've seen the last of that. Man john turks the murderers dreadful face. It positively haunted me. Johnson shook hands and took his leave at the door. He turned suddenly. I know something i wanted to ask you. he said. Would you mind letting one of your kit bags. It's too late to get one tonight. And i leave in the morning before the shops are open. Of course i'll send henry over with it to your rooms. She'll have at the moment. I get home. I promise to take great care of. Its suggestion gratefully delighted to think that within thirty hours you'd be nearing the brilliant sunshine of the high alps in winter in the hall. He met his landlady shading candle from the droughts with her thin hand. This come by a man from mr wilburns sir. She pointed to what evidently was the kit. Bag and johnson thanked her and took it upstairs with him. His friend had lent him the very thing. Stout canvas kit bag sack shaped with holes round the neck for the brass barn padlock. It was not a very nice bag to have sent him. Certainly a new one or one that his chief valued. He gave the matter a passing. Thought when this packing soon heared footsteps but goes back to packing and two of my senses headed keeping up. The pretence have played the most absurd tricks. The steps i figure i saw were both entirely imaginary. He went back to the front room. Poke the fire into a blazin sat down before to think what impressed to more than anything else was the fact that the kit bag was no longer where he had left it at. It'd been dragged nearer to the floor. I shall finish my pack and go to bed. No doubt at this rate i shall hear steps and things all night but his face was deadly white at all the same. He snatched up his field glasses and walked across the bedroom humming a music hall song as he went a trifle to live to be natural and the instant he crossed the threshold and soon within the room something turned cold about his heart and he felt every hair on his head stood up the kit bag lake close in front of him several feet nearer to the door then he had left it and just over his crumple top he saw a head and face slowly sinking down out of sight as though someone were crouching behind it as if to hide at the same moment a sound like a long drawn cy was distinctly audible in still air about him in between the gusts of the storm outside johnson had more courage and willpower than the girlish decision of his face indicated but at first such a wave of terror came over him that for some seconds he could do nothing but stand and stare a violent trembling ran down his back and legs and he was conscious of a foolish almost hysterical impulse to scream allowed. That size seemed very ear and the air still quivered with it. It was unmistakably a guy. Who's there he at length fielding his voice but thought he meant to speak with a loud decision. The tones came out instead of faint. Whisper for he'd partly lost control of his tongue and lips. He step forward so that he could see all round and over the kit bag. Of course there was nothing there. Nothing but the faded carpet and the bulging canvas sides. He put out his hands through. Open the mouth of the sac where it had fallen over being only three parts full and then he saw for the first time that round the inside some six inches from the top ran abroad. Smear of caribbean. It was an old and faded bloodstain. He uttered a scream and drew back is hands if they've been burnt at the moment. The kid bag gave a faint but unmistakable lurch forward towards the door johnson collapse backwards searching with his hands for the support of something solid and the door being further behind him he realized received his way just in time to prevent his falling and shut to it a resounding bang and shut to it a resounding bang at that same moment. The swing of his left arm accidentally touched the electric switch and the light in the room went out. It was an awkward disagreeable predicament and if johnston had not been possessed of real pluck he may have done all the manner a foolish things as it was whoever he pulled himself together groped furiously for the little brass knob to turn the light on again but the rapid closing the door at set the code hanging on a swinging and his fingers became entangled in confusion of sleeves and pockets so that those moments he found the switch and in those few moments of bewilderment and terror two things happen that sent him beyond recall over the boundary into the region of genuine horror. He distinctly heard the kid bag shuffling heavy across the floor and jerks enclosed in front of his face. Sound at once again the sigh of a human being in his anguished efforts to find the brass button on the wall nearly scraped the nails from his fingers but even then in those frenzied moments of alarm so swift and alert impressions of a man keyed up by vivid emotion. He had time to realize he dreaded the return of the light and then it might be better for him to stay hidden. In the merciful screen of darkness. It was but the impulsive a moment however and before he had time to act upon it he yielded automatically to the original desire and the room was flooded again with light but the second instinct had been right it would have been better for him to have stayed in the shelter of the darkness for their close before him. Bending over the half packed kit bag clear as life in the merciless glare of the electric light stood the figure of john turk murderer not three feet from him. The man stood the fringe of black hair marked plainly against the power of the forehead the whole terrible resentment of the scoundrel. We're gonna take a quick break and get back to support for this. Podcast comes from progressive. What would you do with an extra eight hundred dollars. Buy a plane ticket. Pay down your student loan. Treat yourself to those shoes. You've been eyeing with progressive. You can find out drivers who switch and save save an average of seven hundred ninety six dollars on car insurance get your quote online at progressive dot com and see how much you can be saving national average annual car insurance savings by new customer survey to save with progressive in twenty nineteen and. We're back back to. John turk the murderer in a flash johnson realized what it all meant. The dirty and much use bagged the smear crimson within the top the dreadful stretch condition of the bulging sides. He remembered how the victim's body been stuffed in a canvas bag for burial. The ghastly dismembered fragments forced with lime into this very bag in the bag itself produced as evidence that all came back to him clear as dave very softly and stealthily his hand groped behind him for the handle of the door before he could actually turn it. The very thing at the most of all dreaded came about john turk lifted his devils faced and looked at him very softly and stealthily his hand growth behind him for the handle of the door but before we could actually turn at the very thing that the most of all had dreaded came about and john turk lifted his devils face and looked at him at the same moment. The heavy side pass through the air of the room formulated somehow into words. It's my bag. And i want it. Johnson just remembered closing the door open and falling in a heap up on the floor of the landing as he tried frantically to make his way up to the front room he remained unconscious for a long time and it was still dark when he opened his eyes and realized that he was lying. Stiffen bruised on the cold boards than the memory of what he had seen rush back into his mind and he promptly fainted again soon. He awoke to mrs monks. Avoi- sloughed inviolable. What you ain't been to bed sir. Are you ill and then anything happened. And there's an urgent gentleman to sue though at eight seven o'clock yet and who isn't he stammered. Some of them will brooms and he says he ought to see you quick before you go abroad. And i told him. Show him up please. At once and johnson whose head was whirling his mind was still full of dreadful visions. Mr wolf brehme's man came in with many apologies and explained briefly and quickly that the absurd mistake had been made and the wrong kit bag had been said over the night before henry somehow got hold of the one that came over from the courtroom and mr wilbur only discovered it when he saw his own line in his room and asked why not gone you. The man said oh. Johnson said stupidly and he must have brought you the one from the murder case instead. Sir i'm afraid. The man continued without the ghost of an expression on his face. The one john turk packed the dead. Both in mr wilburns off upset about it sir and told me to come over first thing in the morning with the right one as you were leaving by the boat. He pointed to a clean looking kit bag on the floor which he just brought was to bring the other one back sir. He added casually for some minutes. Johnson could not find his voice. at last. you pointed in the direction of the bedroom. The man disappeared into the other room and was gone for five minutes. Johnson her the shifting to and fro the bag and the rattle the skates and boots being unpacked. Thank you sir. The man said returning with the bag folded over his arm and can do anything more to help you. Sir what is it. S johnson seeing that he still had something he wished to say. The man shuffled and looked mysterious. Beg pardon sir but no you're interested in the turk case. I thought you'd like to know what's happened. Yes john turk killed himself last night with poison and immediately on getting his release he left to know from mr williams saying that he'd be much obliged if they'd have him put away same as the woman he murdered in the old kit bag. What time did he do it as johnson. Ten o'clock last night sir. The water says the end and to all a good day.

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The PewterCast, LIVE - Buccaneers at Giants

The PewterCast : A Tampa Bay Bucs Fan Podcast, Buccaneers

1:17:23 hr | 1 year ago

The PewterCast, LIVE - Buccaneers at Giants

"Support for this podcast comes from. Cdw enciso modern modernisation. Today has the products you need to modernize your workplace like wi fi booster crystals their metaphysical powers enhanced activity and spiritually awakened your internet of things at cdw. We get crystals won't modernize your network. You need cisco catalyst access points that are by six compatible can help you improve. Reliability increased capacity and reduce latency cisco in it orchestration by cdw people who get find out. More cdw dot com slash cisco touchdown tampa bay. You're listening to the rest. Well sue pewter cast live talking about the tampa bay buccaneers pulling out eking out just barely winning over the new york giants which i think us my good friend rendez sitting right next to me and the entire world thought this game was gonna be a lot further apart than just simply twenty five to twenty three depending upon a missed two point conversion at the end of the game ren dax welcome to the show my friend. Thank you Survive in advanced baby survive in advance. Listen we say it. I don't wanna say all the time. All the time would not be correct but we do say it was somewhat frequency. I don't care if you win by ten points. Twenty points or one point away win is a win. You say a half point. I did sorry. I mess up your flow go. No look i. Win is a win is a win. And the buccaneers. Come out of there with just barely a win in. What was a very very shaky game of front to back but ran. Talk to us you you were not alone this game. You're hanging out with a bunch of people over on the collide up We here to hang out with a bunch of our friends our fellow bucks fans and who knows maybe even a couple of new york giants fans maybe some football fans out there in general hello to everybody who is joining us. Live at youtube dot com. The peter cast dot live. Facebook twitter periscope or wherever you're happening catch the show or if you're listening to us later on the the Podcast feed the many thousands of. We'll do that there. Hello to all of you guys and welcome to the show ran. Talks about this game. My friend this was this was something not exactly the way it was gonna go. No and there's going to be a lot to complain about this game even in a victory but let's focus on the good stuff. Okay we wow coming from you. We won we won rendez focusing on the good stuff. Let's go folks. no that's it like. We won everything else was terrible now. I know we're going to get into it. But you know i thought todd bowles playing off in in the first half was so detriment just letting the giants like it remind me a lot of the buccaneers. Old buccaneers defense. Where like dolphins can't score any. No i'm talking like super bowl defense. Okay okay whereas like offense can't score any points well because you never give them the ball. It's like you let the team get three four first downs and then you stop him and now the now offense has to go like eighty yards. You know ninety two yards to score So that was really frustrating. The interior defensive line you know. Every time. the giants ran the ball five yards. That was so frustrating On on a team that is supposed to be or not supposed to be is the best run defense in the league. Yeah yeah that's that's what made it sir tonight. Now it's like well we're gonna make daniel jones beat us or at least a stain drives but they didn't have to like you know that was kind of like that's what's going to happen like they're on their third running back and this guy you know this guy's not on anybody's fantasy team So would you believe. I just happened to be looking at it right now as it's sort of hot off the presses for all of those runs that the giants had against our our team they only got one hundred and one rushing yards total combined and their highest russia was only forty four yards. Didn't feel like that. No because they were second and five like they ran the ball like on first down every time and bug fans go crazy when Barring left does that for the buccaneers and they were like second five. They were continually second five and then when they get behind the sticks The defense will do something stupid like that. First fourth down conversion on that final drive like winfield. Just let the guy catchable. And then tackle him. But i didn't go for the pick like he's like sliding out of the picture. And then you know devon white who like took the wrong angles a lot. Devon devon smith devon smith. Yeah that's the guy that's the new england patriots. Did you hear him called the patriots more than once more than once and then when they went on a five minute. Talk about tony brown. They didn't they didn't talk about anything in that whole entire drive to like we cross midfield right and then they just kept talking about the same things over and over. Well you know it's going to be oh driving. I'm like okay. I'm ready for them to quit talking about antonio brown because guess what he's not on the team ya and talked. And what did you talk about. Pre-game antonio brown. I mean you know that was. I wasn't happy with espn crew and especially because when the bucks were you know losing or when they even when they got up by a couple of points. They're saying well you know. The giants got twenty eight. Because you know. Tom like they're expecting us to. They weren't calling the game. They were calling the game. They thought they were gonna watch. You know right so it was just it. Was that was frustrating I don't think any of the linebackers had had a good game. Jamal deen can never ever ever where sleeve red sleeves. Because when he does he's terrible right. I ever now but that being said djamoldine was a i don. I don't know if the right word is tied. But he. I mean he. He's right there at the top within one windfall. Junior as the guy with the most tackles Because they thread him the most and they caught the most balls. It's fair can't you can't tackle a guy without the ball and make it legal. Can't get a tackle us as the ball right and you can't. They can't have the ball unless he catches it right. But you are right. This was by far by far in his. What is it now. This game eight so sixteen. Twenty four games with the buccaneers. This was by far his worst game. I've seen who jamal deen. No saddle game was by far. He got burnt flight three touchdowns and the seattle game seattle over. I start member like like. Carlton davis pulled the hammy like. Oh dean starting out of nowhere and we're wearing white uniforms and he's the only guy wearing a red shirt. I don't remember really. I'm like god. Everyone talk about like. That's the reason getting burnt. Because the only guy like 'cause you look up and it's all white everywhere except this one guy with these two parallel red marks in russell wilson goes. There's the guy. No one else was wearing red undershirt right at him and misses like next. First time i've seen it barron dean time to burn the red undershirt. Yes dramatic dirt. The red undershirts sure. Yeah and the offense wasn't much better like i know. Roggio fumbled the ball. You wanna punish him but when he came back and he was doing fine. I don't like having the ball. Leonard fournette let's on third down like i don't know why he's in the game. He's not as good as runner rojo. he's just not you know. And they were talking about in the chat and i'm sure it was talked about on twitter because they talk a little bit of on the broadcast. When net got that first down and they. Why didn't you challenge that. They marked them a yard short and then fourth was third one. We didn't make it or fourth and one no third one. We didn't make kick the field goal. I mean you know there was not any stars. There's lots of disappointments. I can point to will allston obviously suck up none of the. Db's winfield wasn't particularly splashing. You know he got lucky in. The giants are so lucky. What was it like five deep balls for like the db never turnaround is hit him and just hit him in the. Yeah it was. It was like yeah. It was very frustrating. Game to watch but man you know they put it together In the final thing. I'll say before i sort of closed off. Is the bucks have a real hard time getting having a sense of urgency. Getting some energy without fans in the stands This is every game that they've played. They have to sort of step in it before they kind of pull their head out of there but without fans in the stands and you know it was completely uninspiring zero urgency performance by that defense in the first half they weren't even congratulating other like daniel jones going up and down the field and carlton davis breaks up a pass and no one like even goes over to say good job. It was you know right it you could tell. They started in the second half a little more but again ended the day. No one's gonna care by wednesday same people remember as the fact that the buccaneers won this game. Yeah exactly and everyone's been talking about the saints game all week anyway. Even on like pregame shows people are like. Oh okay okay every game. What about the saints game you know and it's like like well. We got to play this game. I and i'm not a big trap game type of person but it was just sort of like i said defensively. It was completely uninspiring. But we've seen it before where you know without fans in the stands as team just can't bring their own energy. I don't know if tom brady's to chill. You know an and toll it kind of gets because he so stone face the beginning of the game you know and it's like but it's cool when they're you know fifty five thousand opposing fans yelling and screaming at him but when there's nobody there it's kinda like you know i need some let's Are you guys. You guys realize that they kicked off right like rights isn't practice wearing started. It's happening right now wearing his fancy new red uniforms. You haven't worn twenty years. Yeah so anyway we win. Yeah i mean only the ball. Jacomb jalen mickens. Seventeen times. it's crazy. He threw eighteen passes in his first seventeen. Were jalen mickens. Like what are you doing. Yeah lake what it was. It was a lot of jaden mickens night. I mean i. I'm looking at it here and it appears yes. I'm absolutely right. Jay mankins had the most targets. Yeah tonight's game. The actual numbers eight not seventeen but that is the most now there were seventeen not by numbers you must be bucking dot com. Where they're trying to they're trying to spin. The narrative is the this is this is rennes pro. Football stats over here What it is that existed access back a this. The thing and i see people in the chat room knowledge like come on guys were six and we just won the game. Yeah look the deal as a fan. I'm sitting here going. We're supposed to win that game. Yeah like like yeah we. We won but we almost lost. And that's the thing that's not. Okay we almost lost against a one in sixteen and a great weekend. Call all come out of here and celebrate but my question going into this and maybe it's the fact that there's no fans in the stands but what is it about these games where the bucks are supposed to not just win but blow out the other team. Remember the chicago game. Yeah i think the word you used was bloodbath. Yeah right you said this game. It's going to be shut down by the end of the first half. Get me like what was even the chargers game. Like the chargers game was wasn't supposed to be nearly as close as one of the broncos game wasn't supposed to be was whatever had a lot of injuries. But i was never sort of on the edge of my seat like i was for the chargers game. Obviously this guy game and for this one where it's just like man just you know it's it's almost it's it. It wasn't that they weren't getting out of their own way. And i'll tell you what i think this this Crew referee crew. They didn't call penalties. And i think it hurt the bucks especially defensively but you know i. It is like defend wouldn't show up and then when they finally either got a penalty or did make a play. The very next one would just be like it's like what are you doing it like early in the game. They kept getting pressure pressure pressure pressure and then when the back end started to hold up a little bit and daniel jones had to pump and look and and sort of like You know take more time in the pocket. Then the pressure wasn't there. It was so weird it was just so weird So you know. And i wasn't again the off of game playing coming out like you know featuring jaden mickens was just a i. I don't like you can't double everybody. So if mike's out there tyler. Johnson's out there scotty miller they're out there. You can't tell me that you're going to jail. Mickens johnson got one target and huge catch. Picked up a first down. Like i and twenty but again we win we want. That's the that's the craziest thing we'll get in here. We'll open up these online here in just a moment but that's the craziest thing we won. We won that's right. This is what we're supposed to buy you know like it. What does it say about us that we've reached that point. Where if we don't win big enough where pissed off. I don't care about winning fig enough like i. i'm i found myself. An intelligent of fanned understand that. But it's the way the defense was playing like. I really didn't have a problem the way the offense was playing. Honestly i didn't. I didn't understand going to mickens early. Because obviously tom brady. Hadn't had. You could tell the chemistry really wasn't there now. Really huge catch on third down When we went down. I think to take the lead. It was like third and five and brady squeezed it in their on really good coverage and mickens caught it nice using his hands only and then got out of bounds. Like that that was. That was a really good catch. But i don't understand why you even target him like i don't get it like i just end. So non understand the offensive game plan and not going well. And then with the luck of of the giants. Db's having balls bounce off their forearms five times in a row. Well then they never even looked never looked they just put their arm out and hit it. it was just. It was amazing that the tape just so frustrating happen and then the defense not like playing completely uninspired like you know like it didn't even seem that started talking to each other until like halfway through the third quarter it was it was just so that's why i'm frustrated. It's not to the point where you win a game and we're like oh boo-hoo it's like it's a week to week so i'm not gonna sit. Go like dead saint. You're going to beat us because you know li like the past two weeks. We've played fantastic right you know. It's a week to week league. And if you've watched the bucks or nfl or you know long enough you understand that like the team that shows up tonight. It's a fifty fifty chance of same team shows up sunday night against saints right. It's probably a little better that the better team shows up because as you go through the season there's more you know you have a bigger sample size of okay. We've played a game. Well often have shown up for six of them the two they didn't was chicago in this one. You know so you can feel better about that but you know i'm not gonna sit here and say at this team you know. Get all this stuff cleaned up or the saints going to clean her clock with. 'cause i just don't think that's true too weekly right read. Let me ask you this before. We open lines last question. And i'm gonna open everything up. Sure chris godwin gal much of a difference. Does he really make on this offense. Given the fact he wasn't there and we saw this offense play like the tonight and played at terrible scored. Twenty five points. I know but still. They scored twenty five points scored. Twenty five points pay the giants. Have the best nine of them. Were off the kicker though nine of them were field goals. Offense still scored the points. Like we're not you know it's pulling i know it still counts but we're not talking. You know twenty five points. Yeah i know. I know like it's it's you know it's hard to sort of jump on the off and it's hard to jump on the defense because yeah that late touchdown was really frustrating but You know one of the touchdowns could they start like poten- right you know. Yeah yes. So before that touchdown they'd given up like fourteen points you know and and if you only give up fourteen points than than what he complain about so so. Are we complaining. Why are we complaining because we wait. Guess i guess because we didn't score the points the right way. That's you know from the kicker brant. And that's i mean that's what we say all the time it's not how they lose it or it's not that they lose it's how they lose when certain games they've said that before in previous years. Oh yeah sure. It's not necessarily that they win. It's how they win ganor and we expect it to be different than we expected to be. Better yeah hey for all those. I'm gonna make us row quick and dirty. I'm not going to go into this very long. My bookie dot ag use promo code overtime. Double that first deposit and yeah take care of that and if you bet money. Here's what i'm going to throw out there if you if you went to my bookie you made a bet. Emails to the podcast. Jamila dot com. Let us know if you want or not. And i'll take on about a hundred. And i'm gonna send you cool pewter cast patch we got patches. Now we're dollars. Do what your or hundred dollars. Emailer choice no no. Are you sure yes. Okay a patch. You will get two hundred dollars patch to the patch. 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Well i've i've we're the original bucks fa bucks post colin game show for four fans by fans when we got somebody lining up here in the chat. Let's bring them in mea. Hi mia right my my my my news. Oh i just wanted to make sure. I was saying it right so to us. One of your callers from last week talked to his mind. Hey guys so I'm happy yet. The win Obviously was the one that i was hoping the get but overall six to number one and next game yes laughing clear to get into it though I wasn't really. I'm not really feeling aaron luck. which play calling. Because it's just like every first down it's like run up the middle run up the middle run up the middle then you took roggio out and then it's like you're trying to create side to side with foreign-debt he just he tries to stutter. Step you look look outside. And it's like why didn't i didn't understand why they didn't try to put like vaughn in there to maybe like mix it up a little bit That was one area and then defense. It's like a kind of like a drop off when you've seen this defense from the packers and then you've seen it in the raiders. And then tonight you. She's like average you know it's not like You saw the linebacker shooting like we normally see him going as fast Had a good game but that's not really the game that we usually see from them and then Also like sean. Like i really think that the game is kinda get into his head a little bit. He's not really relying on what he's used to for us last season. Because that last touchdown even though it was You know the last it was just like he let up. Can't throw that far. That's something that that's sort of a theme. We've we've seen a few of the buccaneers defensive. Backs do have sorta reared its ugly head throughout games where they just kinda quit running like the first touchdown in the chargers game white had just let the guy go buy them you know never looked at him like just kind of watch the ball sail and he was watching it like. It was a foul boggling. And like he didn't make a move on the ball he didn't it just seems are really frustrating. It was also frustrating about the defensive line because they're missing the giants have their best offensive lineman. They're rookie terrible season. Terrible season and they had two rookies starting on the left hand side and did this year's been pushed around all year long and i've seen a lot of people comment saying that. We played to the level of our competition. This team is one in six their thirty first in the league. And it's like when we play prime time gains for some reason we just it's like we look average and then very very very lucky that daniel jones could not hit tonight. He's very lucky. Because i'll tell you right now when we play sunday night brees gonna take that fifty fifty. She's gonna take that the entire Throw that for. I mean that's on the right issues. That bunks this book shoot-off they always say own whatever but overall of i was very I was very a little bit sets. Go about The fourth one brady wanted to go for it. And i was. I was gonna ask you guys about that. What what did you guys think that you know the call to kick it versus versus going for it there at the very end island florida today on with you before i would have kicked it because it wasn't enough time like if you're gonna give me one yard to win the game and be you know because you can run out the clock. It didn't necessarily mean 'cause there was like three minutes thirty seconds. You take the kick you go by a. They don't have any timeouts. That's the smart play. If you don't make it the touchdown you'll lose you know and and but if there was like fifty seconds or a minute twelve with no time outs where you can guarantee that if you make games over if you made it there maybe games over. Probably games over. You know what you'd have to get another first down so you know that. That's where i i kinda was like. You know you take the smart play and you kick. The problem was which i'm sure everyone talks about. I don't really see it on social media. But but i heard it's like i cannot understand why they didn't challenge the third down. Mark me clearly. You're still in a cross. He was across the line. Still in the air. And you weren't gonna use your time to anyway right for some reason. Officiating for the past couple games haven't really been that great couple of games. Yeah the past games. It's it's hard because i mean you could. You could say that about officiating on just about every game. That's the default right. Like if you get a well officiated game. That's the surprise me. No but it it. Yeah this one. They didn't throw the flag for too many phantom penalties. You know what i mean. Like i i would. I would rather have what we had tonight. Where they just or swallow the whistle and let things play out Then guys are blowing those on thrown flags for things that aren't really even penalties. Like if i had to pick between the two but yeah there was. There are some definite ball. I think ball placement was the thing i noticed the most was like yeah. I don't know about that. There's tyler johnson. They mark a yard short. Like there's no penalty but we're going to give you the first down like what. The officiating really helped the bucks. Cameron break penalty. Yeah blow to the head. Garbage complete fricking garbage ups. But that's he don't even call that like that's never called you know The winfield they got it right that that. That penalty never should've came out. You know like that flag never should came out it was so bang bang Yeah so and It was the guy who threw it was the guy who was like watching from behind his back and yeah he was the guy in the back of the end zone and the the play with the arm and everything was on the front side of the end zone like throwing the flag in the first place. Anyway yes guy who's watching. It didn't throw a flag rhyming. What are you covering for him. So i was like the Another thing i totally agree with you guys on the the jada mickens thing I do think that tyler johnson way better than way better than jalen mickens fast definitely taller probably better looking and it was like i don. I don't know it feels like the wind or something but sometimes kind of frustrated me about brady this that he was standing in the pocket and he was just throwing people analogies like he wasn't sharp early. I was like oh my god dude. Stealing you wasn't he wasn't he wasn't sharp early. In what more frustrating was that he was. Hardy mickens a lot and you could sorta account it too. Well the reason he's not sharp because he still a guy. Never throw sue you know like how many how many balls he think tom. Brayson jalen mickens and practice total closer to fifteen but then who's training camp. I mean lake. You know it's so. I didn't get it but again you know like you were saying i. It's a win. It's a windsor windsor. Win no-one cares. Saint suck be got a couple of people. Line up here that that That i wanna make sure. I get to got anything else for for tonight and adobe but thank you guys for having me on as your i guess i really appreciate your awesome Hope to hear back from you next week. All right bye bye now all read. Hey we got a phone call. He's been waiting on the line. You're on the line with brent and ran for the peter cast live. Who do we got here tonight. Hey guys here kion on what's going on. Kion achey on man named very stressful there for me. I really think that we're listening. Very federal player and davita kuniaki on all three pelosi. Whatever high foul player number of care. They were able to run up when they needed it. Chianti i hear gotta stop. You gotta stop you. I think he meant to say to a quality of messed it up. He say it again. I just was see if you can do it twice and say it again here known for high for hooker follow. That is crazy. I don't even know if. I don't even know that right. He could say anything. He bless your checking that sailfish car steering wheel but yeah that's him and it's not like the new year or The caribbean are not good in the middle of decent. It's just that and we don't have him and that's what they want to the and we have no not there yet. I mean look. Here's the difference. Here's a difference. Vitas guy who gets. Who gets his picture up on a banner around the stadium. He's the guy who gets his picture on those souvenir cups. They give out for each one of the games. Neither nacho mcclendon. Are that guy that they're just not and that's that's different. Feta is one of our stars. Those other guys are depth players. And i'm glad to have them in the event of an injury but you're absolutely right. I mean they're they're missing vida although i have to say for as much as it felt like they really ran on his tonight when i looked down at the number and i looked down at the sheet. I mean nobody got more than forty five yards. Four yards was their was their biggest rusher and only got one hundred yards total. Now that seems like a lot because we're not even used to them getting one hundred yards as a team right but they got one hundred and one yards total tonight. That's it. that's all john's get mike. How much of that was him. twenty yards on three carries. Take that that's eighty yards. That's eighty one yards. Take that away so rank right exactly. Then you look. At the opposite cyber palm. I read a new remix grad. He's a massive problem. And that you have to think about him and my bevan. And i think i've watched this game. This is a man up game. They play man A lot especially over the top and win underneath switch between zones and whatnot and the thing is with his own. If you're sitting in your zone. And you're trying to do with mike evans you know not somebody. Who's going to be breaking off the chris christie route. He's not a double move jared guy. He's there to be big in. Beat you up in principle. Paying is is that if new government they were being have who else you do have gronk which we were able to get through the ball. They beat to making way too much. But you don't have your iran guy in chris godwin which i think we miss and i think we could have done a lot more work. If they had to contend with godwin and mike right again win frustrating. Though there. you go. And i'll tell you this is about my gibbons again. I'm i'm just looking at the paper here in front of me. Surprisingly mike evans had the the best night. Receiving at fifty five yards on five or section by the way jaden. Lincoln's also had five receptions So it it Yeah yeah it. it's I think your point kion and i don't think anybody would deny as we. We missed a couple of key players around the team. That really make this this offense and the defense really hum you know to tonight. They didn't They just sort of fluttered you know. They made it through. They made it through. They did what they needed to do. And like you said at the end of the day we're all gonna you know what we're going to remember as the fact that got the. That's the only thing that we're going. Remember out of this game but for right now fresh off the game here in this this raw emotions instant reactions. Kinda like yeah. That was a win but didn't like shouldn't have been like that against his team. So you got anything else for us for l. Let's go pal we've got figure out. I'm thinking about athletic reports at night and go buck ski on. Thanks yeah they figure out about teams getting their athletes out in the flat is what it is and they better go quick because guess who's coming to town and who they throw the flat to all goddamn time who makes like three people missing. Go for forty yards. Michael thomas no Kamara oh that. I've heard of him. I heard he's pretty good. He's pretty good. Pretty is pretty good ren we got somebody else. Who's lining up here. They want to join us in the shatt. Good friend of ours actually. Is it corey. Oh lay reaction. Says he's retired now. Corey guy staying up late at night with a little baby. I'm sure he's he's just up for midnight feeding all he's doing now. I have to because i after the game like i'm not going to sleep. My heart was pounding. I actually switched it. Because i am watching and behind it was so nerve racking. I just switched on twitter and followed gregg. 'cause i knew he would get am i right and was like worst case scenario is gonna tell me that we gave up and we blew it and i don't want that so i just depended on that and then so i saw that they picked up the flag and then like Let's just that. It was as if i was watching the game so either way anyway. I'm hanging out with you guys. 'cause i got nothing better to do. I'm not gonna go you're welcome. Let's let's i want to dive back into that flag quite that's quite a compliment. Hang nothing better to do whatsoever on gano wife and baby and dog all asleep. So i'm going to try to keep it down. Yeah i hear you sort of trying to to whisper it a little bit. So i if we go back we talked about the that fourth and one call will be finally decides to kick it as opposed to go for. It wasn't even like fourth and a half is is i think about it really was and and they decide to go for it and rennes absolutely right. I think the right call was to kick it because you put it at an eight point game at that point where you force them to have to go for a two point conversion and worse case scenario if they get it they tie up the game and then you go to overtime and you gotta figure it out from there right like like that's the worst case scenario versus if you go for it and then you don't make it. And then they go score scores a touchdown they have to get the extra point and then they win. So i i think going for it was right but they left. What what was it three minutes on the clock or something like that. Maybe thirty thirty on the clock so plenty of time for them to do something. But you're like okay. This is this is a very struggling new york giants offense and like the worst nightmare situation unfolds. That's going to send it to overtime. Because that's the worst thing that can happen. Is they marched on the field. They get the touchdown and a hair's breadth. They almost get that two point. Conversion talks about that. Tell me about that thing when you you know you see the flag and then pick it back up. Talk me through that with your perspective. I'm trying to figure out. How hair breeds so you kinda throw me out here brezza breadth gotcha. Yeah and miss the d- Lower arrangements is it's over in the forward slash area. Yes so i. I definitely looked back up at the online feed To see the play. Play out. Once i saw that everything was okay. And you know in in fast motion or a normal speed It definitely looked like pass interference. So i i it. Enormous be like first glance bucks fan. Or what here. But then of course on this show the replays it was like oh no he hit the ball so that was just one of those things that i was happy. It was winfield honestly. I think he him making that kind of play on a big stage national stage. I think he's definitely making a case for Defensive rookie rookie of the year. He keeps doing that kind of stuff. obviously stats usually dictate that. So he's gotta keep doing. He's got he's got to make the picks and he's got a show up the stats sheet but Yeah i shouldn't have gotten to that point. I mean you mentioned kicking the field goal whether or not kick the fuel go. I was actually second guessing. Why didn't we go to a previous touchdown Somebody commented to me that it was possibly. Because of the giants then score a touchdown we would be up by seven at that point by by kicking the field goal kicking extra point on here. We were and i was like man. Those two points really are making a difference right now. we'd be up by two scores. Had we gone for two and made it. I'm not last touchdown didn't make it examines me. See what the point is when you when you when you didn't go to kick the one. If the giants went down and scored a field goal would win it for you. Okay so you win by one. Yeah so now we kick the windows extra point and then we got the field goal. Before they got their touchdown. Yeah so that forced them to go for two which was when indifference. You know things like you end up you miss the touchdown extra point any lose. Yeah yeah i you never know what's gonna play out. You have to get a fuel for the game. This is actually. I might go on a little bit of rant here. This is kind of something that i've been. That's been bothering me. That people are just pulling their hair out whenever we kick a field goal instead going forward on fourth in short And a lot of times you know you may be right if you're frustrated and saying we should go for it. I mean there are definitely times when it's like. Hey you're right. We should go for it there and we decided kick a field goal on est off. But then i feel like there's a contingent of people that are just like always go for it. Unfortunately you're always going matter. What because the stats say the stats. Say stat. say. Well we saw what happens when you go by just the stats in the world series. Sorry trigger people. You've got to get a feel for the game of what's actually happening around you and i go back to a couple of games ago When we decided to kick for a kick a field goal Ended up losing the game. We'll game was that. Can you remind me because you have memory What's situation if you will Is this a couple of ago It's too late but the who got people. The mayor's game it might have been people. were killing bruce arians for going go bears. Yeah because it was fourth and short. We kick the field goal to take the lead. So yeah and it's like and they went for a fourth down earlier in the drive in. Made it right if you're gonna if you're gonna go forward at thirty five when i go forward the twelve so the thing there is that in hindsight yes we should have gone for it but in the moment i remember thinking yeah. I'd probably kick the field goal to because at that time the bears had been constantly driving on this defense in. Its promise that we were going to stop them So taking the point stare at the time made sense to me and for me. It's a especially sense. It wasn't especially as we were losing in the field goal. Gave you the lead. Rose five minutes left. You take the lead. Yeah you should. If he wanted. If you wanted to score a touchdown you just had three downs to try. Yeah so again. In hindsight probably should May overall point is that. It's it's obviously lean on the stats. She you know we should definitely go for enforcing short a whole lot more than we're doing but don't always just lean on. Hey highest percentage chance in general in the nfl. If you go forward in short you're gonna get it. It's more than that. You have to take the stats. We also taken the situation. Higher players playing position matchups. In all that stuff you have to take it onto account. And maybe way stats. But anyway. that's something and i'm with you. I'm with you. Because you know if you go on fourth down like that percentage is going to change if you go with everyone goes for it on fourth down because the stats they do eventually. That's going to change and you know what it might change the negative side than everyone won't quit doing it. And here's the and that's kind of like the thing i i you know. I have problem with that sort of feeling. It's about who you're playing. It's about who you got it's about is it is it is it. Is it six inches is it. A half yard is a yard and a half is is it. Fourth and two is the fourth two and a half. Because here's the thing. This is what. I always point out to people when when they try to analytics on my face which i i like analytics but you know i got brand and i got. I got cory here. And i want one of you guys to always take my free free throws in the basketball game. Okay i give brent the first one he misses you know later on the game or maybe the next game we get another. Get another free shot. I give to corey. He makes it. Okay corey can miss the next. He can never make another basket. The rest of his life at the stats will tell me that he should take it. Because brent's percentages zero and since you made the first one your stat. You're always be better. You could go for one hundred and five or one hundred and five but the stats tell you that you're the better shooter and it's not true. Obviously yeah run can ball at midnight of everybody is enjoying this lesson to bring it back to this game. I you know. I agree with random offense. I'm not worried about the offense did look fine. Obviously i get frustrated with vanilla. Playcalling runs up the middle and stuff but this team has shown that they can win in spite of it. I mean it's one of those things that like. If we don't have tom brady. And maybe it's more of an impact but he has come through a whole bunch so It doesn't bother me as long as we're winning. But here's the thing. This is the first time in a long time that i haven't been confident that the defense was going to hold the opposing offense nor was i overly confident that the that the offense was going to be able to go down the field and get points back when they needed to. This is the first game. I haven't felt like that in a long time Yeah that's mostly because I'm not gonna put that on tom. Brady i'm really not on everybody else around him. I can't even say everybody because that's the game plan. It was early game plan. It was obvious that it wasn't working. And i stuck with it for the entire first. Half right yeah won't Lead and they went back to it. Except if leonard fournette instead of roggio on the flip side it's you know we still scored twenty five points which should be enough to win the game with his defense that we have and it was it was it was. It was a corey. Don't forget buddy still learn. We did we still want. But it's like i wanna i wanna a real quick. I know you guys got other callers and stuff but quit. Why make the point that really jason garrett deserves a lot of credit for this game. I think he very creatively schemed against this defense in exposed. A lot of things about it I think what's really when you have a quarterback back like daniel. Jones wasn't daniel jones Ripping us apart. I mean it was but it was his receivers. Were getting open. They were They were throwing in spots that obviously they had to make some plays. But it seemed like jason garrett was scheming against this defense guinean passes quickly and and really trying to neutralize the heavy blitzing that he knew was coming worked so it was kind of a blueprint of the of the chargers game. Yeah they got the ball to the flat to their athletes very quickly or quick slants and then they took shots over the top problem. Is danny jones missile. His he hit one. Yeah yeah and whatever pimple faced kid. What's his name herbert. He like he did miss. And that's something that we haven't seen as people The biggest complaint about byron that we haven't seen him be a creative playcaller at all. Doing something like the giants did saying. Hey you know. We don't have the best quarterback or we don't have the best this or that we're just going to play right into whatever the defense gives us and instead it's a bunch of running but again we won it's fine it's fine court because it doesn't sound like it's fine you don't worried about the next game because that's huge right as a national league and we were recording. Don't forget the last two games though. Yeah right like like i. That's rare wherever you're saints going. Yeah but you know looking ahead to the saints game. It's like it's a quick passing team And that's just the first time it might be other beat us this time and they're fast ended up quick. I i like that. We had this game right before that game. Because i think it's showing us what we need to work on and it's doing us That we are not big and bad. We are six into leading the nfc south. But it's a little bit more of a humbling game. And i'm sick of those. But you know i. It might be a who said it somebody. It might have been like a movie coach or something but like as a coach. I've this phrase like some people say like oh you learn more from winning than you from losing the new from winning and no no. No you'll learn more from almost losing rather almost lose because you can learn a lot and tonight the buccaneers lost. And you're right corey. I think they have to learn from their mistakes tonight instead of celebrating the win but learn from what they have tonight and Go into the saints like really amped up ready to go and come out quick. Have to worry about it. We got ab in your head. Maybe chris godwin's back which make everything go. So that means jaden mickens is gonna see ten targets. Yes exactly yeah hush. Don't show that you belong. Escort corey draper corey man. I'm going to say goodbye. Drink jet sweeps with means started core. Thanks for time in men. You're always welcome with cnn. Another week all right in the end. I'm going to be posting another victory mug day photo tomorrow. So that's gonna take away go one of the highlights of victory young day monday tuesday. Whatever it is cory. We'll talk to you later. All right buddy you guys matt jeans. There in american staple no article of clothing is more closely linked to our nation's history today denims and ninety billion dollar industry but that success didn't come easy. I'm david brown. The host of wondering show business wars. We go deep into some of the biggest corporate rivalries of all time and in our latest series. We're unzipping how levi's lee and wrangler managed to take workman's where from the frontier to the runway and closets around the world. Join us for dental morts. Listen on apple podcasts. 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Possible with just a computer and an internet connection partner with wgn today to make smart investment in companies and employees future learn more at wgn dot edu slash partnerships. That's wg you dot edu slash partnerships. Court draper the player reaction. He has when i got there and find his work You had a really cool. Youtube channel is different from our other friend. Mr jams the hill with mr nation as good stuff. I understand corey everything. Production out of this world. it was visit. It just took too long if if you go and look the look for the play reaction on on youtube and just look at one of his videos. You're like oh okay. I mean it's it's top notch. You know youtube work like yeah like that's the kind of work you see people that does it for a living. Yeah and he has another job and fan. Yeah fan. I got a caller on the line with us. Who's been waiting very patiently. Who do we got here. You're on the line with peter. Cast live with brent end rin brand. Hey ran what's up trent First time caller in a big fan you guys last couple of weeks so just wanted to say thanks for thanks for that. You know. Just kind of been listening. Been living in everything that you guys have been saying Kind covered everything that i had to say in this late in the in the episode but Just wanted to say that you know we won. And i think that's at the end of the day. The important thing take a deep breath and i kinda wanted to touch on something. We were talking. That renwick mentioned earlier. You know the bears game. We were expected to go in and win confidently charters game. We're supposed to win confidently. And then you know the packers. And the raiders. One of those games. Where without your they'll lose or had a chance to lose and we want competently. No i don't like the fact that this team is still kind of rising to the occasion and playing down to the level of the opponent. Obviously you know the injuries on offense held us back but really what upset me was. I think bruce. Arians has just assuring. Ronald jones confident. I mean we've talked about how young nelson halcion. Yeah how you know. He started the game. He started the game. Okay now i believe it was four carries for twenty yards or four carries for. He was arrogant three to four yards carrying us. First and then you just have that really you know a non anomaly of play where the ball was tipped catches it. He tries to make you know something out of nothing and after that he finishes the game with seven carries her twenty three yards and cornet didn't look great Good in carries for fifty yards. Well behind that behind the line. I felt that you ronald could it came in there and kind of you know. No-one had a big run and ronald kinda in the lack of a week is kind of provided that burst on offense where you know buckle for fifteen or twenty yards or more. Yeah i'm looking at. I think ronald jones is hands down the better running back. You know. I was saying that. leonard fournette didn't look good at all how. I said that. I was upset that that they bench round. No no i'm with you man. Ronald jones is getting. What's there an extra and for net tonight at least was not getting. What's there and he wasn't even you know for a couple of very like not even a handful two or three re put his head down and got what was their most of the time. He fell backwards and he must got tackled by guys laying on the ground like three different times. Yeah what do you how do you. I mean this. This comes a point because this is now the second week in a row where ronald jones has had a bad play and basically they sit him for the rest of the half and then bring him out in the second half and whatever you the green bay game and there was another game he gets like and magic happened on the offense today he got eleven total touches and i saw somebody earlier today saying stop throwing the ronald jones. Well you know what. Ronald jones got four targets and he caught the ball four times for twenty three yards. That's that's almost six yards a catch For a guy who's a running back and catching out of the backfield. It's not horrible. You know and he was on punishment. It seemed like the whole game. I remember trend dropping a pass. But three i mean. He had six targets own caught three of them. So yeah for. We just couldn't catch the ball and some of them were high throws will are but you know as an athletic running back in a guy who's gonna be out there other receiving back you need to bring some of those in and make something of it or make pumpkin unannounced Right i know. I was high and then one was brady threw it low and i thought the guy went over his back but it was a pretty good defensive. Play thing those like on third and five something i remember the other one but yeah i'm i'm with you and grant good. I was just gonna say the only other things that i wanted to do or the fact that you know. I don't think in recent years we would have never called. The buccaneers would have won a football game. Where ilga kicker going for for right right jeeze donovan smith. Not having according penalty. He did let go all the way through. But outside of that donovan had a decent game. I didn't notice them too much. Outside of one's daddy no more. I didn't know there was one play where i noticed him because he let the guy through him the whole game something that i've always liked to donovan. Smith was you couldn't bull rush him and this year people are just just knocking them off as the knocking off his blocks. Not even putting on skates but just like they're hitting him in moving him out of the way he can't even stay squared on it. Which which yeah he only gave up one sack and i think brianna got sacked twice which was good job by the offensive line. But if i was if i was going to say who had the worst game along the offensive line it'd be donovan smith. Yeah yeah that's fair. I mean could four guys. I mean they brought in If you want to count Hogue her hag holding all neighboring walker. But he's not an every down on god. And i mean the only other thing that i wanted to talk about what you know that lash drive by the giant Obviously was ugly but we also drop. I believe two interceptions on that. Dr levada dropped one right. Close the other one. And and i believe you mail had opportunity to jump in front of one all right right right. Yeah really hit him in the hand play. I mean at some point. You know this is a defense. That in reliant on turnovers and carlton one but that was just an jones making progression and completely missing I believe it was playing down the left side of the field. Yeah the bucks are extremely lucky. That daniel jones is core back of this team tonight or it would have been a way different game. Now the bucks would add. Open up the offense if those deep balls were hit or even seen let alone you know completed when he did throw them The bucks who had open up their offense and they still might have one But yeah i you know. I was watching that. And it's funny because i was watching that that lasts drive. Where they needed the touchdown in the in the two point version. It's kind of funny to say this. Because he converted to fourth downs and made his best throw the night for touchdown to get within two points. I'm just watch. I'm going this guy clutch like he doesn't have it you know. I thought that that you know he kinda thought. Fold under the pressure a little bit. He was so so lucky. They picked up that first. Four that first fourth down. I mean that was just you know that was like the home. A comedy of errors by the bucks defense there and then The second one. I you know i blame the pass rush like the past like when the past when the those four guys need to crank it up the most they got no pressure on you know if it was a ten play drive like eight of the ten plays where he had all the time to to sit back there. And you know if that's if you're gonna play zone you can't have all that time you know you're trying to keep it in front of you but you gotta get home with four and i don't think the offensive line really showed up but it's also funny. You say that. Because i got a sack on on the drive but so you know. Yeah if it wasn't for daniel jones this would have been a lot of a lot different a lot different game. I got anything about you. Yeah i just wanted to say real quick Callers coming in. But i just think you have to give credit to joe judge jason garrett really job avoiding devon white mugabe david yeah Being wingfield npr. Paul lead between and tackles and dan was up there too but he actually missed a pretty big tackle on that fourth and five. Ta angle or a weird angle and if teams kinda you know. That's been the achilles heel defenders kind of clean it out to the right and free in an outdoor lasso is going to be interesting to see. How teams are avoiding devon white monte david cooker clear players on the. Yeah i'm with you. You know like we were talking when we're talking to corey like that game plan. Was the exact same game plan. The chargers came in. Except the you know. Like i said the deep shots over the top didn't connect but getting you know their guys or playmakers or athletes in space And making the defensive ends the edges and then you know making David white you know. Take those angles Because there is a few times you know again. Another bad angle by lavar. David i think. On the on the first touchdown by the giants Or ingram at least got within. Got it down to the one. I believe it was and devon white. You know if you look at a stack shooting. Yeah he was the top and tackles. But you know i again i. I don't think he had. He didn't have any released bash plays he had that sack of and i just. I just didn't invest game. But you're right. I think it's because of the way that that the chargers and the giants scheme this up where the like gonna make the outside guys renovate the defensive line and the and the cornerbacks in the safeties beat us Not necessarily taking deep shots like we're gonna make them tackle. We're gonna make them run. We're going to get the mountain space in earn their paycheck. And you look at the final score and you're like well. The defense held up pretty well and they did. But it's it's the it's the long drive. It's the ten twelve play drives that eat up the clock you know because now if if the if the offense stumbles a bit and that team will say the giants of the chargers they get ten points out of their four drives. Well our team's not doing much better now. It's halftime you know. We've only had the ball four times. And if you do if you do to three and outs will. Now you're really in trouble. You know barely run like you know. Run like thirteen. Fourteen plays and throttle. First half in ten seven or it's thirteen ten like we've seen saw the chicago game And saw in this game salt in the you know it started out that way in the packers game remember how upset people were about the offense and the packers game after the first quarter they run like seven plays so our drain. You got anything out all right now. That's all i have guys. I appreciate appreciate you having me on. Coltrane hey matt. Hopefully we hear back from me next week. Don't stranger okay. we'll do all right. Talk to you. go box again. Thanks for calling. Thanks for fineness. Yeah man yeah. Thanks for Thanks for listening. And i like i like hearing about new listeners. Calling into the show ran. Yeah all right. I got one more for you. This is not a new listener is not even a new video chatter. This is one of our regulars. John radio's on john. Hey guys all right. First of all offense catching and mickens. Why would he do that though. Yeah before you say that though. Don't forget an and this is probably one of the better stat lines. I've seen in this particular line for quite a while. We're was it. His returns kick returns. He went three returns for seventy nine yards tonight. His return was twenty eight yards. Put them at an average of twenty six yards. That's not good brand like you get out to the twenty five. So he he like are they when they count. Do they count like when somebody like. Get a couch. They count that as part of again the y-yeah but everyone gets to the twenty five like you gotta get like if you want to save. You had a good day returning like returns. Laurie are lying. you get. Yeah it's like you take off five yards. Every time he runs the ball the first twenty five yards. Don't count that's fact. That's if you were to get touch back. The ball don't touch back but he didn't do anything wrong. I mean the only thing i didn't like was the two minute warning the end of the first half where he ran the ball out because you feeling himself and he got it to like the twenty six twenty seven so you know two plus yard difference and you just ran off like ten seconds because you you ran it out and it's like us could have stood there at the twenty five having an extra ten seconds. I thought that was really number. Besides that john like why do you wanna cut him. He didn't do anything wrong on his phone. Brady threw it to them. Well because they because aaron said he put a chris gagarin's role. And i'm like really. You have tyler. Johnson who people say could be a chris cowan junior. But you have keenum. Mickens and chris godwin role. I really want he re to him. Janet mickens come on you. Can't you can't guy in. Chris godwin will come on. I'm with you. I would actually johnston there too but again. That's not you just cutting him because then child has no competition. I mean shouldn't be mad. Ba not lie. I just because i just felt like the shares could have been better. Like where was the attempts to go to mike evans and rob gronkowski. You'd like linked to really get them involved and bad game plan right out of the gate and i'm with you hundred doesn't seem like we just it right. Yeah i know not told the second half not until we had to. Yeah and and i also. Allie kept saying make adjustments on defense and make like i thought we were. I thought we were done with this. Like he raiders. Game you justed now against the giants what you just. Oh they're an easy team. So keep going with the same old same old. And i feel like they did it in the bears game to like. We're just gonna play off man in make. The quarterback beat seven yards at a time. Like lovey smith defense. With how far would the to separate between a wide receiver and the defensive. Back was almost lovey smith defense. How many times. I've seen that outside. Come on get these guys. Closer man a man not song come on. Yeah yeah. I'm with you man. Hey we won. Yeah but but there's a lot of stuff alarming and we can't defend against we can't defend against the shore pass screens and stuff. We need to figure out how to do that. Yeah i'm with you. That's been since week. One and i've talked about that. That massive is that is that because we're sacrificing that in order to do the constant blitzing and in bring all this pressure and fly to the ball. That's the whole defense. And i don't mind it. It's just expensive back sought to show up from time to time. There you go. That's it you gotta make gotta make the tax net dear job. I'm with you john. I feel running and then another thing. Is that this defensive lineman. What for the past two games now. They have not seen the generation anything. What either the especially the four a. does seem not to generate anything and these are gay. Got this guy. These against teams. Who had who had who had nine. Prices is due to kobe. The team got kobe and white guy was out and what is going on with it. I don't know but you don't have the energy. Maybe there's another inspired effort by the defense especially in the first half. I'm with you one hundred percent you know. After the first game after veto down we look like we're going to be okay. I was like okay. You know what that was that was. I was surprised. I'm very pleased about the effort. The mcclendon came in. And i thought he did well against the run. We kinda suffered in the past rush up the middle but we knew that was going to happen. But you're right. we face to like. Not only the raiders. They're missing their best offensive linemen and then they kept getting is hurt during the game and kept shuffling around and we still weren't getting pressure the only three sacks a david carr had was all done by devon white none by the defensive line and then we face another beat up offensive line. That's very inexperienced. Some guys having terrible years and it it didn't you know it didn't show like our experience and talent didn't beat those guys that didn't show up so i'm with you. You know you know two games starting for a trend so but again until we tweak league We'll see what we'll see. What happens but i hope someone at least you know when one of these zoom calls. Spa or balls. Or maybe you know. One of the defensive lineman is on this kind of what's going on because Yeah i was. I was shocked by the lack of pressure. The past two games from the defensive. Yeah i i have two more things first thing is i. I gotta say if. I were to say one thing to be a please. Don't don't be like their cutter to ronald jones. Don't don't dirk koetter ronald jones. Don't be like come on. don't do that. I know he makes a mistake. He made mistake by was early his fall. It was it was a circumstance. It was circumstance over really. And now you wanna sound like you can't do that like you get that what they're carter did him emanuel steak and then he the sound out for the rest of the year. You can't do that. yeah i'm with you. i'm not. You know. He fumbled the ball. He shouldn't have fumbled the ball. I'm not going to sit there. And make excuses form and say circumstantial and whether it his fault. That's your job. That's your number one job like don't don't turn over the ball But the the mount of punishment that he got. I don't mind sitting in for the first half. why kind do. But i get it. But then not playing him. The third like the fourth quarter you know when the game on the line and is enfor. Net was in there because he was supposed to be. You know he'll either third down back now. I mean you know like jones is better than forget it running the ball and it seems like you know they're trying they're trying to teach a lesson but you said like you said it's against sort of these lesser teams and we're gonna show him less now because we should be able to beat this team in when the game but you know what if this happens in in in a big game like what a what happens you know he misses a blitz up in the first quarter you know against the chiefs and we had a one game lead against the saints and they won earlier in the day like are you like. Are you going to like sit him when a when it really counts like. Are you going to net where you know. The roggio gives you the better chance to move the ball on the ground and the last thing i had was really One thing i've seen another problem defense is they did dwell against the raiders against it but again against guys like the bears chargers even a little bit of the raiders sue with nelson lower and giant. We can't we really had trouble with those speedy wide receivers. We did pretty well against every rugs by guys like lor darius slayton and even chargers game we seen guys like them kept. Getting slid kept missing tackles and they kept getting burned. And so we gotta we gotta make. We gotta figure out how to defend defending against those type of players. Because it wasn't ever ingraham this time we were wearing. It was darius slayton. Yeah i it's been weird because the one guy where we all feared his speed. I thought the bucks like you said rugs. I thought the bucks did their best job on it. It's a little puzzling to see the defensive backs sort of like weaken and week out be surprised by these other teams wide receivers speed. You know where they get buying like. Oh okay and then they try to give them the horse and it's too late like you saw that in the chargers game for sure solid in in In the in the raiders game for sure and even beers game. Two with with cordell. I i don't remember that so much. I remember the the special teams by the way we should talk about. Cannot cover like you run out. You're going to get to the thirty five like they. They're terrible they can't cut i mean Outside of special teams. I thought tackling was particularly atrocious. Tonight name tackle like they didn't never knock the running back backwards. One guy would be honest other guys just watching them trying to bring him down. You know it was. It was a completely uninspiring like they had no juice man. No jan hilarity is like did they just get they do in the press conference during the whole week. And i'll getting any all hyped up. And then they kinda is owed al lijiang because they got to the got to hyped up. I'm sorry what he said. You're reading their own press clippings you know. That's that's that's easy for fans the point. I can't tell you why you know so you know one reasons. Good as the other. I guess but don't forget like in the end they want. Here's one they did. They did what they needed. Look this is. This is what we say. Good teams win. The games are supposed to win. Yeah not always pretty but the good teams when the games they're supposed to win they don't they don't drop games like this buccaneers in years past would have dropped a game like this a lot though. Maybe this was good. It was a waco call. Why before the saints game with. Maybe a good thing. That's what happened. We that's what happened. The barest game happened waco. Call next thing. We dow made packers. This time was a wakeup call. We didn't lose by was awake. I'll call so now. We should be ready for sunday night against the saints. We need to be ready cause this could be for the division negga though we need It'll it'll have huge implications or one down in the division right now the only reason we're up in the division is because they've had their by so they're a game behind us as far as how many they've actually played. We have that advantage of having won over them so john you got anything else gra for for let you go man. Yeah i would. I would say i would agree with rand. That don smith the knives the greatest a game seemed like this was a the two games he had good analogy reverting back to on a plate little bat that no way off for sure took some plays off. Yeah he's fee. It's like a cycle. Yes a couple games good and then couple of games only don't have a bad game. Get the saint. Because if he does fleas. Got now with you man. You don't like the way down of its fence. Played or don smith played. Just give it one more game. You'll change your mind a quarter and thanks so much for your call. We'll talk to you next week. Okay all see and go bucks row box. Thanks john go box. Iran we have. We have reached that part of the night before we get. We're going to go to Scored in sells that again. Sure swords and skulls share omar to to to what the buck this year we are doing You guys go drop. Those in the chat will shout. Those who are you giving your sword and your skull. Your sword is the best player of the game. Your mvp of the game. You're scholars your numskull. That's the bad one of the game but wren before we get to that. I'll give you a chance. Any final thoughts as we sort of put a bow on this buccaneers giants game where they won just barely twenty five to twenty three. I'm tired me too okay. I'm still like my body. Feels like it's still two o'clock in the morning like where we've just had that time change For when you the iran. So i'll throw it over to human who you give your sword to who you give your skull to now. I was thinking about giving it to. Aj in the chat room on collide because he called out like One of the first picks he's like okay. The bucks are gonna pick it off here. And then he called something else out not quite as dramatic. Obviously sure but i gotta give the ryan suck up i do. Yeah yeah for field goals you know. I know that. We scored twenty five points. We scored the right way But yeah. I don't really know who else you can point to honestly right So and for my it's fun. You're saying that because there's a lot of people in the chat that are putting up Suck up as as their sword As they're coming inherits it's and i don't i don't disagree with you. Got for your skull scum. I couldn't you know. Even though the commentators kept talking about held would have you know jimmy dean got burnt. They're melting career burnt there joining but he didn't he can listen pass. Plays it so davis soda. You know soda. Devante david so everybody. I don't wanna give the jaden mickens. It's not his fault right. No one had it really like a terrible game like no. You can't really point to go. That's that's the reason you know china. Everybody got beat for possibly the game tying td. But i didn't see him like really miss anything else. Yet get a touchdown saving tackle. They rarely throughout them. That means he was doing his job. You know who's doing a better than dean. Because that's who they were going after golsen could have got a sword for me So i am. I going to give skull to gave to the game plan once again. A lot of people in the chat room go to the game plan or we got the coaching staff. I don't like i don't like the left playcalling because the bucks have scored the most points in the league. And they're like third in points per game so i i get it i i watch games and get frustrated with some playcalls to but again they put up twenty five points. You know like they've been putting up. They're averaging thirds that sounds so small to me twenty five points on like that's it. Yeah it is yeah. it's only taking you like. What like eight games to turn a new patriots fan. Yes i mean. We're averaging thirty two points. Third in the league. So i i just don't get the left which hate he's like he's the opposite of gerald mccoy like a they gave him no credit for all the good stuff. But you know every run that gets minus two yards. He's the worst coordinator. He play caller but well read. I will tell you. I did not like the game. Plan is what i'm saying game plan. Yeah yeah yeah. I think. I've just put up on the screen. All of the the swords and skulls because a lot of them were Sword going over to suck up and then the skull was like two left. Which or two bowls to the game plan or to the play calling or something of that nature But since you've now dubbed me a patriots fan. I think my sword then automatically is going to go to tom brady just because now patriots fan and my my skull is going to go to ryan suck up just because he took points away from tom brady when tommy should have stayed in there. So yeah there you go. Yeah dairy a few minutes. That i field goal. They may never would've gone for fourth down. I'm just saying if it would have been mad. Gay or roberto aguayo. There's no way that they would have to kick them at fourth and one they would have just left it with tommy so point you know that's exactly how that would iran Well that is going to wrap up our this edition of the peter cast live. Thank you for joining us guys. We got a couple more shows coming out later this week. He has make sure you stay tuned. Right stay tuned to us. Right here at the peter cast subscribe to us here on youtube or bookmark our page. The peter cast dot live subscribed. Wherever you get your podcast. 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38 - Bret Shuford, Broadway Actor/Life Coach/Podcaster

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38 - Bret Shuford, Broadway Actor/Life Coach/Podcaster

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Confront your company's data at risk making you a little paranoid. I'm apparently you're paranoid. Cdw can implement a secure mobility solution using the hp elitebook with intel generation processors ensure view privacy to protect your stream from prying eyes. Did you follow me here. It orchestration by cdw people who get it. Find out more at cdw dot com slash hp. Was that everyone. Welcome to page to stage a conversation with theater. Makers that's brian and that's mary. Join us as we focus the spotlight back on the theater maker to uncover their process. We speak with folks in the industry. That often aren't heard from such a stage. Managers producers crew members marketing professionals. Everything in between we hope you enjoy this episode. Hi i'm brad sue bird. I'm broadway actor. Life coach in one half of the broadway husbands and I've currently currently in the broadway cast of wicked. But i also have passionately help. Other creatives build a life in career that they love welcome. I'm so happy it's so nice to see you. First of all like on this little screen i mean. Of course i've been following on instagram. And your in your in your podcast on your journey from new york pittsburgh to texas. But it's nice to see you know i. I've been dying to connect with both of you. So i feel very honored to be here thank you oh well i'd like to start at the at your broadway debut back in two thousand five in chitty. Chitty bang bang so by. Now you've been working on broadway for the past fifteen years so at what point in your career as a performer. Did you begin. Broadway life coach. It was during the little mermaid. So kitty was my first broadway show and i remember the one of the most impactful moments for me during chitty chitty bang bang. Was we in rehearsals and i was so green. It was my first a show. It was like dream. Come true and i was noticing the director and the kroger for a was jillian lynn. Famous cats working with her was legendary. They didn't really talk to each other. And i was noticing. There was some interesting things happening in the space and candid dawned on me in this moment that like. Oh i always thought like the tony awards broadway Swear even at this age. I think it was twenty five at the time or maybe twenty four. I still thought. Wow tony. awards go to the most talented people the best of the best and it. It definitely goes to talented people but there's so much more to it about the politics business in what sells tickets and understanding. The inside of the industry One taught me. And i don't know that even if they did teach it to me that i was able to receive it until that moment and it was something about it that was like oh this is a business like it. Just kinda hit me. Oh well. How do i reconcile. This thing does dream inside of me. That always saw this. You know this dream of being a broadway in what that was going to do with this idea that it's it's an industry in a business. And how do i still be creative. And still enbridge. What i say now is like bridging the gap between craft and commerce which is really what broadway is and there was just That was one moment and then there was another moment. During the mermaid was backstage. I was dressed as a c. Yours and i was standing next to Merwin forward russell and he was dressed as a blowfish and we were having one of those saturday matinee days. Not really feeling it about to do under the sea where you just to put it on animals inc is this or you thought your career would be and he said to me. This isn't a career job and something about that. Hit me really hard to was like. Oh ho and this is a guy was sixteen broadway shows under his resume up at that point and i was like. Oh what is that. Like what is that. How do i shift that. And how can i help. Other people ship that so that there's no disappointment or frustration in that we all enter this industry in a place where we're already fulfilled and that the this does become a job fulfiling job or or you find something else or you find a way to make filling If it doesn't feel that way. And so i got my certification as a life coach. I've been doing that ever since. So was he in that moment. Was he saying so. It's not career to job. I'm trying to like process that is you process that in the mind. I'll tell you what my thought process was. I can just do my job right. Stop trying to make this anything more than what it is. Just do your job go out there. Make people feel good. Sing the song and go home. It doesn't have to be any deeper than that. And in the second Thought process was wild. If i just wanted a job. I work at starbucks like so it. Why am i doing this. Let me get really real about choosing this as did my source of income and let me make it strong decision about if that is really what i wanna do. Because i if. I just wanna make money like i'll go work at starbucks. I love coffee. Like why am i doing eight shows a week. Plus under city were Hustling and living in a small apartment and like really made me question so much of that. And i think And i think that that's a good thing because i think so many actors. This is what. I run into lot feel That they have to be grateful that they have to. there's a scarcity mindset that we adopt that society teaches us that we come into this industry already bought into that we perpetuate within it. And so you get a job and no matter how you're treated or no matter how to enjoyable it is. I have to take at to stay here. I supposed to be grateful supposed to be happy. And it's like no no i buy. I can work starbucks. I can leave this job. Like i don't need to do this if i don't if i don't want to. And that gave me so much more strength and empowerment to decide every day. Why i show up to that to do that. Show so i would imagine back then was the little mermaid like two thousand nine do age. I'm just just putting okay so this this will make sense. I'm putting this in context of reaching people and communications with the internet. Because i would assume that you know starting a business back then especially one where. It's you know you're trying to work with people schedules and and really meet with them. Which is now something. that's so much easier. So how did you even begin back then. Most of it's always been more mouth email. I've always been a people person and even before mailchimp existed. I used to keep lists of emails of everyone. I worked with and i would email them once a year in madison. Just made a lot easier to do that. And made a lot easier for people. To unsubscribe to. But but i stayed in touch with people. I love people. That's i think of the reasons why i love coaching. Is i just. I wanna stay connected to people and so when i started it was mostly that you did tell a phone webinars like you didn't do it. A visual like we would do things over the phone Which feels so dated now to think about. It's almost like an early podcast almost various Yup mostly only worked always worked privately. One on one with people and even then we would meet. I would meet people in person which ended up being silly because it was an expense. And then i started meeting people on zoom in the now. That's the only way we meet people so right. So what did you feel. Because that was your second. Broadway second broadway show. Little mermaid was my third. Okay so is that at least early on in your career. At least how did you feel like you had something to say. How did you find that sort of confidence for people to take you seriously. It's a good question I think mostly for me personally. I had gotten sober. I dealt with some addiction. I also think coming out of the closet that process for me was a very emotional and instill it's something you still work on I've done a lot of work on myself through getting sober through therapy. I didn't go to michigan Not not say like you go to michigan you. We work but like i. I had to hustle to to get to ride wasn't have a lot of connections. I grew up in small town texas with parents who who weren't in the industry and I felt like all of that really taught some. I had to get innovative. And i had to learn to be genuine and i thought wow how can i. How can i help other. People do the same thing because i just see so many actors Struggling to figure to figure out how to connect who they are with what they do. I hear all the time. And also i know from experience that people producers directors credence team they hire actors not just based on talent but based on if they want to be if they can and want to be in the room with you for six months to six years however long it takes and i think that you said two things you said being going to have to be genuine and you also learn how to be innovative and i think those are two key skills that like apply obviously to actors but i think it applies to everybody in the industry. I mean that's just how you that's just how you network. That's how you get through with it by. I think that's very powerful in that. You're able to kind of pick up on that so early on in. Your career is magical. It's a hard thing to learn right. It's it's not always that like you pick it up so fast or you pick it up in one conversation. you can't. I mean it takes it takes practice and it takes time but for me. You know the thing. That don i had struggled with addiction before i got sober before i booked my first broadway show and i end the things i learned from that for me not saying you have to go through drug and alcohol addiction to be successful but the things that i learned about that was once i got real once. I got honest about myself. And the things that dark sides of me that i was afraid to show because i want everyone to think that i was perfect and when it everyone to think that it had it together once was actually willing to face. Those things and talk about it was first published. Show right so that to me was is the key. It's like be on like just be willing to let others see you all of you. Not just the parts that you want them to see but all of you. And that's the people. I see that are successful in this industry so i think that that's really interesting that you have that sort of reflection of yourself or have had the experience of the reflection of yourself so that when you're working with clients i'm wondering. Are you trying to break down any of those walls in themselves or would you say that. That's more like therapy. Not life coaching. So i would say the big difference between therapy in life. Coaching as therapies. When you're looking at the past and you're dealing with things that are getting from your past that are getting in the way coaching. We really try to get you present so that we can move forward and so sometimes old stuff comes up and depending on an i say it out loud like a therapist so if when something comes up i can very easily say that's work to do with someone else but what we can do is sit down and go okay. You have a habit of doing this thing. Is that work that you need to do with therapists or is that just something that that you're using as an excuse to keep you from moving for. Is there something that separates like a a regular life coach from a broadway coach. I mean i. I imagine especially now. You're probably like very busy. Or you have a lot of deep conversations with with your clients and just people in general because of our climate. But i'm curious as to like what is there anything specific that like that. You're truly that you find is like a recurring theme among among clients that you're chatting with or if there's something that you really try to focus on broadway coach i meet people where they are so. I have people who aren't just actors. I work with people outside of the industry. But i think that i think the thing that recurring theme right now is a lot of imposter syndrome. Happening right now because a lot of people are having to. So they're just going okay now. I've always thought it should be photographer but have only been known as an actor. How do i shift. How do i own that. And not lose this identity. Or how do i be okay with losing this identity. I mean that's something that we always have to kinda process to that that's a that's a trend right now imposter syndrome. Biking has always there for so many of us. Insurer with your podcasts. In everything you do as well you probably are like before you push send going. Oh my god. I'm gonna send this podcast out over got so you know helping people get really clear on separating the thoughts from who they are and being clear on. The thing that i love to do is help. People get really clear on who they serve. Who do you serve. Who's your audience when you're making post on instagram. There's somebody out there who needs to hear from you and every that you're not posting. They're not getting. That message has specific. Do you get with your audience like when you're talking about this. The cowl is it's is it meant to be more of a a wider concept or are you meant to like pick out that thirteen year old or you know that twenty five year old would whatever it is. I think the more specific the better. It's so much easier to talk to one person in. it's much easier. Serve that one person and usually that one person is you like five years ago. that feels very deep grab. I'll get a quote. We're pulling for this job like my my mid twenties is shaking right now. Okay so once you do. We'll pay you after this so once you do find the client. How do you figure out what kind of an approach you're gonna take with that client. I'm sure you factor in things like other personality goals in their achievements that they've already had in their career. So where do you. where do you begin. I let them lead the way right. I'm not the expert of your life. You are the expert of your life. I'm here to help you find the answers you already have. Where the you so you come to me you tell me we look at the things that you want you be. We look at the things that are getting in the way we look at the things that are working and we figure out a plan to get you to the next level and we do that together. I don't i. I'm not the leader. You're the leader. I just help you find the answers. I wanted to to take a step back from probably life coach in life coaching. And look at your not sure. You've started this business and you've started a few brands and businesses over the years too. So what was starting to business something that you saw yourself doing when you first start out in the industry ona did you see yourself as an actor as a business. Now do you. Now not at no. I mean interesting. I think the businesses. It's it's a weird thing right and this is what i constantly. In china help actors understand their people are constantly getting bombarded with information especially early on from business coaches. And they're talking about you know how to build a brand. You are brand and to me that the problem with that is that separates us from from who we are and the difference between us and coca cola is that we are the we are the person we are the product in the more we can bridge those two things. The credit arbuckle credibility and the vulnerability the better. And so i don't necessarily think of my acting as a business as i think of myself as an entrepreneur. I don't know if that makes any sense. Wow now that it's definitely does because it's something that there's i mean. There's a lot of oh similarities. I guess almost like you're saying like you're writing that fine line of like you don't wanna lose yourself but you also are like building a presence within the industry and i imagined for a lot of people who are starting out. Whether you're an actor director a writer. I would say matter. There's a lot of having to navigate those waters to make sure you're not straying too far from who. You're are bright. Because i the thing. I say the easiest way to break this down. Is the actors go to auditions. And they think that it's a means to book a job if an audition is just a means to book a job in every time you don't get that job you're just left feeling unsuccessful. You didn't accomplish that thing right. And if we only measure our success at the other side of booking job then no one is a working actor right now. You've been automatic. Tom rate so like we can't but that doesn't make her any less successful. I say success lies in the actions. You take not the results you make in every day. You're taking action towards the person you want to be your successful. That's the way we have to define it for for us as creatives because we can't control if we get the job if we if we we can't control that but we can control if we show up today. Prepare if we show up today and and do better than we did last time and ultimately i say an audition is about building relationships. When you show up in an audition you start a relationship and then you want to nurture those relationships over time because this whole business is built on relationships so actually that really ties it. It's something i found on our website so in when you have a few courses on your website and one of them about schmoozing which that. We're always cracks me up. So i immediately was drawn to that word but you say that like one of the number of questions that you normally get as how do you talk to people so easily and so what what is your answer is tying back to being genuine but also like your willingness to be so innovative in a time. That requires it to be innovative. I think it comes back to genuinely being of service some so many times we will come into an interaction. Somebody who is a casting director somebody other under the table. Somebody who who has something we want. And that's all we're thinking about and we're just thinking. Oh my god they had this thing in if i can impress them right now they'll give it to me and then if they don't give it to me i failed in and i think the number one question should be. How can i help that person today. How can it be a service to this person right now in that. Maybe that i'm not the right person for this. That may be that. I know somebody else. Disarray person accurate connector. I genuinely curious in connect within about as a human being. And i think that's where So many of us forget to connect as a human being this kind leads us into networking so is networking different for you as an actor versus a an entrepreneur and for your business. Really good question i. I don't know that. I don't know the answer to that. I don't know that it is different. Even the circles of people are you chasing the same kind of circles to get your name out there in your business. No it's interesting. i will say. I do have a hard time promoting business. Because i'm so used to allowing my work to kind of do for itself and the difference between being an actor ends wanting to just do to work and entertain right so when you entertain that's the product like i want people to feel good. I want them to laugh when the cry. Whatever that is here. It's like i want you to invest in my services. How do i change that dynamic. In so i i am always a person of i believe attraction rather than promotion but when you start to run into the entrepreneur world you do have to start to promote you have to promote a little bit more And be willing to say like. I'm charging this right. I'm i'm offering this as a service that you invest in by investing in yourself. You're investing in me. You're investing in yourself. It's almost like that fine. Line of lake you pay for a gym membership or a personal trainer because you don't want wanna work on your body your physical health which also then translates to helping your mental health. I personally believe that you do the same thing with a therapist for your for your mental health too. So i feel like hiring or working with a professional to help you accomplish. X is really to help maintain why which could be your actual lie in life But i did not. I did not plan that. But but i hear you on like promote self promotion within a business is like who is weird. It is weird. I'm not even like an actual business owner. But i freelance and so i ride that weird line of like how much promotion should i be doing. Could i be doing. At what point did you or do you consider yourself more of a freelance artist or you. Llc we are inc but we incorporated not too long ago. And what's inc. Stephen for broadway husbands all ends. Probably how you put it under. Like i an umbrella company okay. What what point did you feel like. That was necessary to go in that direction. Did you account and just be like it's time. Oh actually i went to my countenance. Every doing this this. I want this to be a legitimate business end unless i actually make it one. I don't know that all believe that it can be one. What have you seen the differences. Either in your in that sort of attitude within yourself and then also just the logistics of the business. It's scarier you know. Because i feel like there's a higher I have to hit a higher price point because taxes or whatever it so. It's a little bit scarier. But when i succeed like blake when i hit a goal of getting a certain amount of clients or when stephen i get a partnership through sponsored post or something like that if feels so good to be like. Here's an invoice from my company. You know as you can bend mummy. It kind of like intern. It almost like a boost of self confidence to then like with within your core like who you are with which then translates to your business totally. Maybe makes people a little more seriously too. I think so that's interesting. I think it just feels more legit like from like the freelancer look to That's interesting see. I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have thought of that though. Maybe maybe that's just me. But like i mean as a freelancer you can have an llc or do a da or something like that and still operate as a business. But i think that when you make that decision you enter a new realm you enter a new level of ownership within that and you're also like making a bigger commitment. I think jumping up to two officially making your business official incorporated as as your examples is is a really big commitment to yourself to your clients. You know to to the brand of it all interesting. I was wondering acted switch over to another one of your brands. Life apparel. They're fun designs. I mean they're soak. It took me a couple of seconds to really get the the put on your sunday clothes one sunday. Where is the word sunday. And then i got it. No brian. Everybody goes if you wanna see a visual reference. For when i'm referring to you must go visit broadway life apparel on the internet. But it's so i'm wondering how you decided to start an apparel business ended you create the artwork yourself or do you guys have a designer that you guys work with. I was backstage a paramour. I am a huge dizzy nerd. And there's all these like instagram apparel shirt like graphic designer sites for disney fans. And i was like no one steven this broadway. And i want some like witty cheesy fund broadway themed stuff and i was literally on stage at paramore and i was like put on your ice cream sunday clothes and i like went downstairs and drew out in my dressing room and then i started thinking about other things like finishing the baseball hat You know. I started thinking about different ideas at really fun. What if i actually just experiment and see how this goes and it took off in. It's been such a fun creative outlet. And i get some these great remarks and i think it's really fun because it's coming from broadway. People people who work in the industry who love the industry. It's not just like a fan site like we were there and like we and and i think that it it's different than i than a lot of the stuff that i've seen you guys constantly. 'cause stephen work on mess with you too. Oh yeah. I didn't know the question on. Yeah well not. Stephen doesn't really mean he does but he doesn't like i'm definitely if you haven't noticed by listening to a podcast everything definitely the type in the relationship. But he's such a fun like he's so fun and playful that he disclosed but then has a great time and he's very much as a dancer like everything for him. He is kinesthetic so when he experiences it physically is when he was like. Oh this is cool so like once. I do something if i have. I have an idea. And i'm like this could be really fine and then i'll do it. He's like oh and then he's on board right so he does come up with like like he came. We're coming out with a new mask this weekend. Actually 'cause we don't sell any mass right now becoming the mask. And it was his idea in assessing out. Louise don't think it's pretty funny. Hello that the graphics. I have always draw hand-drawn them and then sent him to a graphic artist. That's awesome where do you get the inspiration from. Is it really from being in shows with other people in the industry like living that life or is it like just like random thoughts while you're on stage or backstage all of the above. What if the legal responsibilities you have to have for something like this. Are there any. You know anything's attached to the like branding on the apparel. I mean you gotta do your research. She gotta make sure you're not doing anything copy written And so quite often lyric wise. If it's less than ten words you're okay there certainly things that you learn If you can't copy the exact Logo but like and you can't use the same But if the font has it's interesting rules around copywriting but at the font has some alteration to it or if you've got something obstructing it then it can be seen as a parody so then that releases it from being Being in any trouble. I always thought about that for any sort of fan made stuff That people are profiting off of. Yeah that's interest in. Can we switch a little bit to broadway husband's okay. So you and your husband steven. You have did the instagram account. Come first before anything else under. The podcast is definitely more recent but for anyone. Obviously that's not anyone. Well hold on if anyone who's listening right now. It has never seen your instagram account. Probably husbands i'm linking it in the description notes here please go check it out The content has always been very like light hearted and like very fine. But i would say even more so now that we're shut down for x. amount of months. I've i've personally felt like the content has become like very inspirational motivational. I mean you guys went from the very beginning of corinthian. I remember all the fun. Dance video you guys are doing the city but was what was the inspiration or the thought process. When you guys first started broadway husbands it actually originally started on youtube channel. Because i was making youtube videos during paramore. How would you like behind the scenes stuff at paramore. Blogging am one of the things we did was. I called abroad. Husbands was nian. Stephen and we will talk about whatever and then i noticed that that always got more engagement than anything else i made. Probably because he's gorgeous. But mostly i think because it was like us a couple like a gay couple and And so i was like what if we create a separate channel for this and to see what happens or a separate instagram account for this and so i created that severed instagram account. And it just took off in So the original inspiration. Was you know stephen. And i have never done show together. He's primarily ballet dancer. I'm primarily an actor singer and we've never gotten actually create together. And i thought we'll i'm creating this content and i like creating content. We could do this together. It'd be a great way for us to to connect and also like show. The in like i said five years ago show The younger versions of ourselves that never saw a gay couple successfully navigating life in the arts. You know discreet some visibility for that. Enzo that was a real inspiration behind it in its suspend It's really i mean. It definitely looks at i. Was this the last piece of your puzzle. When i say puzzle. I mean like all the different brands you have or. When did this come about it. Yeah i mean we met in two thousand during the little mermaid two thousand seven we married in two thousand eleven and there was never any idea of building a brand or doing anything together. It was just like you're going to be battling answer work on broadway. And then he got broadway like okay. I guess we'll both broadway and then And then now. We're linked fulltime podcasters in in bloggers end. Thank god we had it. It's been such a great way to to fill the time during this pandemic in Messages ice where we get a message every day. Somebody that just says you made me happy today. You brought joy today. You gave me something to smile about. I'm getting all and that is like that's all i care about. That's huge though because again going back to time back to a said the beginning of is up a conversation of being genuine. Like you didn't set out to accomplish anything specific other than to just put out content that you both were passionate about and you both went into to share and also the the idea that representation matters. I mean the point blank period. Whatever you want to say. And i think that that's what speak so highly of what you guys are doing. And it's nothing like it's not brain surgery you know is you're creating some tiktok dances. You're having conversation on the podcast which are which seem like. I said very simple. But definitely i think the more for my experience when thinks seems simpler. I think that reaches the more people back to brian's question you know the good and bad is that. I'm very impulsive. When i haven't idea. Are you just like go with it. I don't know what's going to happen. I'm willing to fail. Sometimes i fail. I just picked back up and keep going in. That is something that i think i constantly am trying to encourage people to do is just if you have an idea. Just try it. Just go for it. You don't know what's going to come and you're the only thing that's going to happen is you'll learn you don't fail. You learn also with probably husbands so you guys was at last year. You guys launched your podcast yell. Yeah i actually remember like. It was one of our brian and is first time at the bobby podcast network studio and we were in the hallway waiting to go in and then you guys were there and that was the first time i realized you guys were starting to podcast. Which was so cool. So you guys obviously chat with other broadway like power couples. But you also have been chatting with each other like stephen on like very real real life conversations that not necessarily broadway themed or probably specific Like i was listening to the mental health. Want a few days ago Obviously i remember when you were posting about your road trip to texas. And i was like. There's no way no way that they are recording this now. But you guys did. I mean i wish. I was like in the car with you guys and like i. I was listening but just the just. The visual. So was was a podcast. Like something that you guys envisioned as you notice. That probably husbands was kind of taking off as this brand or this entity. Was it something like where you guys fans podcasts beforehand like. Where did that idea. Kind of stem from Podcast i think there is such a great quick Way to get information and So yeah. I was a fan of podcasts. But i didn't think a podcast was possible because the amount of work that was required to to do it There was just no way with acting in coaching and And creating content. That i was going to be able to like add editing and creating weekly podcast episodes and then we were guests on equity one on equity one podcasts at the studio and an we were having a conversation afterwards with allen and i said you know we have this brand probably husband's i don't know if you'd be interested but you know it's a different angle because we're not just talking about you. Know donna mckechnie in her. Layouts like we're talking about like how do you make it outside of the industry survive. Because i think that a lot of people there's a lotta conceptions about what it is to be a performer in the industry in so he was like game in really cool so we thank god for the probably podcast network. Y'all listening. hey we left. You guys made it possible. And we're so grateful for that and it's been a really cool way to like we have people fans who listened to us all over the world who who say like we give them hope that they can live in a place where they can marry the person they love you know in you know that. That stuff just wouldn't really cool. I think the podcast offer like the audio medium offers. I think way more than i originally thought i was also a fan of podcasts prior to starting this win but i totally underestimated how valuable just having the audio as just like. You're just listening. That's just how you're picking this up. You're not getting overwhelmed or over simulated by all the visuals. That is instagram or youtube. It's very special mary. Do you think we should move on to our lightning round. Yes i'm gonna first question. Mary love this question. we have to. We have to add that in every time. What is one thing about the theater industry that confuses. You one thing it's i i mean certainly. I think it's confusing. That it is a it is run like a corporation people make corporate bucks off of this but there's not a corporate system that people are held to. Where like you know when you work at google when you work at disney you have to buy into that company's values and you have to be trained as a leader to work within that company and they have certain levels of values that you're being upheld two and broadway doesn't have that and i think that's really confusing. Where's the hr department area night before you popped on. Had this select liquor conversation. That was very jason to what you're saying right now wolf. Yes yes yes. What are three adjectives that describe your favorite working environment integrity playful constructive. Is there something about your process that you would find unique to you whether that's has a performer or entrepreneur like i said i think it goes back to impulsive. I think it's very playful in that it's like right. It's happening right in the moment. What is the one job in the theater industry that you would trade jobs with for one week really would love if i had the talent in the skill set to be a designer. If you could only see one broadway musical for the rest of your life which one would that be if it's a revival which revival. Sweeney todd the original cast. I love. i love that show. What is one hobby you have. Outside of theater does obsessing over disney history. He s disney's. Disney's the i watch any disney you. Who is your number. One ideal theater collaborator. Such a good question. I really wish. I could have worked with bob fosse. What is one destination. That is at the top of your bucket list bora bora and our final question that we ask everybody is what was the last great piece of theater that you saw. I was in wicked craziness for like four months. So i didn't get to see anything new in the new year so i think the last thing i saw that so enamored with was seawall alive. I really wanted to see that. Obviously for jake gyllenhaal but yeah. It was really good. They were both amazing. So where can our listeners. Find you on the social media in the website and all that good stuff. Yeah come check me out at brett shoe bet with won. t shoot for d- On all platforms and then broadly husbands. Of course you go to any of those you'll find directions to everything else. I don. I owe you an email to mary. Today's okay thanks. Everyone for listening to this episode of page to stage to keep up with us. You can find us on. Instagram and facebook. Page to stage podcast. And if you're enjoying these conversations we would really appreciate it if you could take a couple minutes to rate and review us wherever you're listening to this podcast until next time. That's brian that's mary. We'll see you later bye. Thank you for. Listening to the broadway podcast network. Make sure to visit us. Online at broadway podcast network dot com on instagram at broadway. 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The Milli Vanilli Hoax (GT Mini)

Ghost Town

13:59 min | 11 months ago

The Milli Vanilli Hoax (GT Mini)

"Support for this podcast come from. Cdw in dell technologies at cdw. Wg we get the migration. See to a hyper converged. Infrastructure is challenging like decaf to gotta do it. Slowdown frowned cdw. Jeez experts can help. Simplify your transition. From legacy to hyper converged infrastructure with dell. Emc solutions that offer speed and agility. Do it have you done it. Is it done yet netanya. It orchestration by cdw people who get it find out more at cdw g com slash dell emc and an era of online retail. Where everything is. Just a few clicks away. Buying a car should be no different. That's why at carbonite. You can buy a car. One hundred percent online. We made it easy to browse view. 'em by over ten thousand cars even even trade in your old car all while binge watching your favorite tv show afterwards. We'll deliver your car you or you can pick it up from one of our car vending machines either way. Your car comes with a seven day return policy so grab a seat relaxing comfy pants and enjoy the new way to buy a car at cartagena. Hey folks i'm jay. The host of crime most quit. Join me every thursday when i unpack true crime affecting the south african. lgbtq community. each week. I take an in depth. Look at some well known and not so well known cases. We're explore the people involved. The circumstances that led up to the crime being committed the police investigation and the eventual trial. If there was one. I also look at some of the conspiracy theories that sprang up around the case and try to out if they actually hold russia. A crime must clear is available. Wherever you get your podcasts girl you know it's not true. I'm jason horton. I'm rebecca lieb and this is ghost town most favorite son. Would you practice smile and everything is you this back now. How and some days of the real thing is. I think there should be ended. Robin five ended medicine. In fact if becoming record you have to. You have to go on to say that. We don't see mill. Even ellie was a little bit after my time and my consciousness as a a young girl but the joke was always that you were lip synching or like any like you know student event where you had to lip sync karaoke. You're always making fun of them. Like they were always the butt of the joke. But i don't think i ever really knew what the source of the joke was even before i did this episode. Did you know that it was somewhat of a hoax. After like were you conscious of the music. We already knew it was a hoax. Or did you find out in real time. I don't even think i was conscious of. I knew blame it on the rain. I was vaguely conscious of the music. The holding about when. I knew of it as a child was that they were fakers lip sync and it was really cool and really embarrassed. Was the embarrassment blanket over. Like whatever they were as musicians was taken in by the hoax. I mean i knew because i was into punk rock. Things were cool. But i assume that it was at least them doing. I mean i like the you know. Catchy songs i i really. I love pop music. I love music of that era. I still do. Because i watch a lot of mtv even when mtv i ca why they are watched the debut of that much mtv. I watched But when you hear their voices you're probably going to talk about this because they have very thick eastern european accents but they sing with a relatively perfect english accent. Yeah and again. This is a disconnect that i totally had but it's interesting and i think we owe a lot to believe in italy with what we consume as pop music consumers. Now which now. This feels like way less of a hoax than it did. At the time the guy behind me was frank. Ferron german producer. Who was looking for the next big european pop sensation in the nineteen seventies variance struggle with boney m german disco group seemingly fronted by four caribbean singers in reality fair in himself had provided the vocals on the groups. I adam first priority was image. Talent was secondary tertiary seventh fourteenth. And that's kind of how it went when he met two young club. Kid named rob pilatus from germany. And for bruce morgan. From france in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. They fit the bill. But i also mentioned to. He'd already done this before he'd already faked vocals with his his own voice so he had this track record to begin with so rob and feb febreeze were young they party. They were aspiring pop stars. They were attractive. They were easy marks but also kind of european anti heroes and best friends rob was a son of a black american soldier and a white german woman who was born in new york city but spent the first several years of his life in a bavarian orphanage. He was adopted when he was four years. Old growing up new nick. He grappled with racism and feelings of isolation it was only through music and break dancing that he found his identity when he met fab who'd been raised in paris by parents from a caribbean island of guadeloupe. When he met fab who had been raised in paris by parents from guadeloupe he found someone with similar interests in life experiences. Something clicked between us. Rob told the los angeles times in nineteen eighty nine. Maybe it's because we're both black people who grew up in foreign cities that don't have too many blacks in the early days of their friendship. Robin fabio regulars on the munich club scene. You dabbled in dancing and modeling but they really wanted to do is make music. They began hanging out with local studio musicians in orbit and played a few club shows. That's kind of one variant. Took notice of them. Then and this is the most important part of the milli vanilli controversy in my opinion variant invited rob and fab to studio and sign the duo to a record deal like what was this deal. We walked into a trap. Not knowing it was a trap fab set on record in his version of the events he and rob signed the contract without realizing they were being hired purely to lip sync. They wanted to sing in the first time ferry and played them girl. You know. it's true the song that would become their international breakthrough. He presented the track as instrumental. Little did they know and had already recorded vocals professional singers. By the time they knew the truth fab said they had already spent advanced money and new clothes and their trademark hair extensions. They were suddenly in debt and they couldn't walk away. Once the group took off became even harder to come clean about their vocals varying claim. That robin fat were never going to be proper recording artists. I'd never heard such a bad singer. Gary instead of robert los angeles times interview. They wanted to sing. They wanted to write songs. it never happened. They went instead to disclose till four. Am and slept all day. All they ever really did was party. Someone who lives like that can't make good music. It was a crazy idea. He told the la times. I thought okay. It's just for discotheques and clubs. But his mix of pop rb and hip hop was perfectly pegged for the times and mill evenly quickly became the music industry. Is darling something that nobody saw coming. Not anybody involved in this story grill. you know. it's true. Hit number one in germany and got mill evenly signed to arista records. This was in large part due to their music videos. Which i also vaguely remember a lot of cool pantomime and close and of course their hair. Those extensions then scored five top hits on the billboard hot one hundred including three number one singles. Don't forget my number girl. I'm gonna miss you and blame it on the rain. all four singles. Run the album girl. You know it's true which went six times. Platinum american sold millions more copies worldwide on july. Twenty first nineteen eighty-nine the groups backing tape malfunction during a club mtv tour stop in beautiful bristol connecticut. The words girl you know it's repeated over and over. I'm sure you remember this. This is something again. Like i think vaguely remember but it may just be the mythology of all this rob panicked and ran off stage. The incident had no huge impact really on their sales but later called the mishap the beginning of the end and of course this is where all the rumors started that kind of overshadowed them as performers a whole after the embarrassment of the conn show rob and fab demanded to sing on their next album. Tensions grew against variant in november fifteenth. Nineteen ninety he revealed in a press conference. That milly milly hadn't sung a note on girl you know it's true there hundred eighty nine multi-platinum debut album of course days after various press conference rob and fab called her own. They were joined by a voice coach. Who assured the audience that yes. They could sing which is also a strange thing. I've got a voice coach. Here the verifies me rob and fab than gave back their grammy's which they plan on doing. Even before the recording academy formerly revoked the awards sher- in one thousand nine hundred and released the moment of truth a new studio album credited to the real milli vanilli i e the singers from the first album arista. Meanwhile claimed no prior knowledge of the deception and robin fab insisted though that they did know exactly what was going on. And they were a part of this whole hoax. Rob and fab released a self titled comeback in nineteen ninety-three even appeared on the arsenio hall show to sing for real in front of a real audience but rob and fab flopped while simultaneously. The two were fighting drug addiction. Fab ultimately sobered up at rob spiraled out of control in one thousand nine hundred sixty served jail time for assaulting two people and breaking into a car in nineteen ninety eight. He died of a drug overdose in a frankfurt hotel room. He was only thirty three years old at the time of his death. Rob had apparently been working with fairy again. I'm totally shocked. The producer told the independent upon learning of rob's death. Row really good again. He was full of optimism for the future. We intended to tape material for another album. Fab wasn't involved in that project but another bizarre twist to the story. He teamed up with. John davis one of the real singers whose voice he had once lips into for the project face meets voice. Millie mentally experience. This unlikely duo might make for good ending to the mill evenly movie. That's been in the works. Since two thousand seven filming was all set to begin on the project director. Brett ratner lost his co. financing deal with warner brothers amidst allegations of sexual misconduct. The whole thing was not meant to be. I would say so you know. I had the power of hindsight happened and people artist really great artists lips. Inking is not new. It's it's short. The artists are like. Why do i have to lip sync. And they're just like we. We're it's television -veloping like we're prevent. We're presenting entertainment. We don't want any snags. We want to see you sing songs. And then it's also not odd for people are gonna music video. If they replaced somebody sure to think of a. Nobody's going to care. But i can think of examples of that. I think what they're doing. Now this is the person that's going to be taken this place. They had people singing that part. Because that's was re recorded. So i think none of those things are new. And if you look up. Ashley some senate. Snl how totally. Same exacting granted she. For better worse i mean. She's finding with their sang her song at least in the studio with yeah with all that came with it. It seems like these two guys. I mean you know is easy to bag on them and you know a lot of us did but when you hear the story about just two people that got caught up in something. I don't think they were out to hurt anybody. Do you think they knew though initially that they weren't gonna sing anything. I'm sure they probably wanted to because who doesn't want to do the whole thing but they're just like it's like having a ghost writer But putting your name on it. Yeah but they had nothing. It's not even. They came up with anything but to give them credit. You could say well. They didn't sing the songs i guarantee you. If they had the people they had sing it. And i'm just speculating and didn't pack to the same way. No one would have cared. Swab really took the vehicle of that to make it work and they look kind like twins. It was very interesting. Kind of duo. And i don't know. I think people care. They don't think they really cared that much. Because it's not like nobody was just like really just so important so influential to so many other artists it was you know it was it. Pop music on pop music. That's the thing too. It's like also pop. Music isn't really about the vocals. Like i bet. They went on tour and worked their asses off against in fucking. Did all that shit. It's not like they got paid in for nothing. And i'm sure the remember the i remember them making another and kind of trying to live a little comeback in that sense and you know. Yeah it's it's it's not gonna work and they were just trying to sound not horrible but you if you're going to compare herself to the professionals in the studio which everyone knew and loved i remember you could. I think there was a class action suit. Maybe where you can return the cd or whatever it is you bought and collected on on some kind of small number but it was really tragic and there's a lot of things in history about people that didn't write throw music or play their own insurance. We talk about the the monkeys or even the beach boys in some respects even like famous like michelangelo having painting assistance. That painted like these Artists have these people that do the work for them in a lot of different respects. You hear rebecca voice and you've seen pictures but those are models. Yeah that you're seeing this voice can't be as hot as what you see or can it.

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37 - Barbara Pitts McAdams, Deviser/Educator

Page To Stage

51:37 min | 1 year ago

37 - Barbara Pitts McAdams, Deviser/Educator

"You're listening to the Broadway podcast Network. Hi, would you brought my buddy? Been Cameron join us for the final few weeks of Broadway buskers the virtual concert series featuring the incredibly talented singer-songwriters of the theater community that they've got brand new music that they can't wait to share with you for all the info visit us at tsq. Org / Broadway Buskers. Hey everyone, welcome to page to Stage a conversation with Theatre makers where your hosts that's Brian. And that's Mary join us as we focused the spotlight back on the feeder maker to uncover their process. We speak with books in the industry that often aren't heard from such a stage managers producers crewmembers marketing professionals everything in between. We hope you enjoy this episode. Hi, my name is Barbara Pitts McAdams. And I primarily think of myself as a divisor. I came to New York to be an actor like so many of us and off the more I found myself support for this podcast comes from CDW and Microsoft Surface and teams and CDW. We get the future of remote meetings Works differently wage. Oh going right from lunch directly into meeting that could be awkward. But with Microsoft Surface devices with teams orchestrated by CDW, the future works better touchscreen voice capabilities. Keep teams engaged in productive enabling you to Thursday is collaborate with confidence. Good afternoon. Thanks for joining. You have a spinach in your teeth. Thanks for the tip man. I T O castration by CDW people who get it find out more at CDW income slash surfaced. In the kind of companies where everyone is creating the work the more excited I got by that and so most people know me as an actor divisor director teacher. Awesome. We met six years ago. When one of our mutual friend's Ellen Lancaster who was my professor at the time brought you in to do a moment workshop with my freshman class and we're totally going to get to moment work with your process working on that. But can you start by sharing your Definition of devised Theatre? Hm that question about what is the definition device theater. They're sort of as many definitions as there are people doing the devising and it's sort of useful to to Define it by what it is not it is not generally a practice where you take a piece of written work that's already been created and get in the room and rehearse it. You might come in with a lot of writing that a playwright has dog. Created for you, or you know other source material, but generally when I think of devising I think of it as a process where the work is going to be crafted by the people who were in the room and for me that's what really excites me about it is going into a room full of students finding out what their virtuosity Czar finding out what makes them excited and creating work that is suited for them for me. It is the most inclusive way. You can make theater because you are designing it for young people who are in the room and want to show up. Does that include designers? Does that include obviously the director, is it really just everyone who was a part of it and not just the actors ideally when we do mon Network. We really hope our designers will be in the process because the the way that I've been trained and the the method that I've helped to create moment work log. It really is looking at all the elements of the stage that can excite our senses carry narrative in addition to the text. So so often we take a plane and listen, I love rehearsing a play and and you know, making theater the typical old-fashioned way all the time where you just take the text and then you dress it up with all elements of the stage, but when we're devising and often the material that we're using the source material is you know, what we call non-theatrical Source material. It wasn't crafted by a playwright with dramatic action. Sometimes finding out what the elements of the stage can do to create theatrical tension can be what's really exciting about devised work. Can you take them back to the beginning of creating moment work? Would you call it a technique or a what-do-you-call-it. I wonder if there are academics out there who think a process and a technique and AM FM? All different things. I'm not sure we sort of say them interchangeably moment work boiled down is really kind of a lather rinse repeat kind of process. There aren't a hundred different exercises to learn. It's really about taking kind of deconstructing theater into its parts. And so you might say well, you know, what, how can a prop carry narrative what can what can I do with you know, this object on stage that might just be aesthetically pleasing it might sort of read as a symbol. So a lot of moment work is you know, we make these little self-contained theatrical moments and then we talk about oh, how did that read from the stage that made everybody laugh that made everybody go ooh, and and really trying to understand all the different languages of the tools of our craft rather than you know, Silo ourselves. Oh, I'm just an actor. I'm I'm the playwright. Oh, we'll fix that in Tech, you know like that kind of Siloam. We tend to do what I loved so much about it. When we did the workshop with you was that it really also as a as a performer you're playing with the stage pictures and kind of break and some directing into it. And so I'm wondering when you began this process. What did you consider yourself? Were you just strictly a performer and song. Where were you in your past as a Theatre artist? Well, the short answer is I came in as an actor. I think ever since I was a little kid I had this I don't know like this way of feeling like it was my responsibility, whatever it was, you know, like saving the world was my at 5. I remember like feeling that burden of that. There's a calling to help people off in couldn't even articulate it of course and then as I went got ready for college, I had done some leadership stuff, you know with like like much like Heidi Schreck. I had done some American Legion Oratory contests and I had gone to girls stayed and Girls Nation and I really thought that I was going to be a poli-sci major go to law school and be in public office. Like that's that's what I thought you had to do if you felt called out of service and then when I started doing theater in college grant mckearney brilliant professor said to his theater it was either intro to Theatre or theater and culture but he said when we want to understand a culture we look back at their drama and we look at what they were arguing about. What were they dissecting onstage? What were their ethics? What were they morally examining and they said theater artists are the high Priests of their society. And you know, I just I just like sat right up cuz I thought oh so I could take my hobby and I could make my service in some way. So that was always sort of in the back of my head and I think so that by the time I was asked to join the company after the first trip that took place. Peter project made to Laramie Wyoming. I have been working with head right early fondakowski on her play where I was a divisor, but not contributing playwright and her place called. I think I like girls and it was based on interviews with lesbians around the country. And so I think a lot of the impulse to go to Laramie with sort of born out of you know, it was the end of the year Smith took of era of that kind of work being a solo process or Mark Wolfe's another American asking and telling based on interviews with people in the military and choices said, well, what if we went to Laramie and examined what what's happening there around the death of Matthew Shepard, so they had done that trip and then someone else was supposed to be in the room devising and she got a better job in in air quotes better, but she got asked to replace somebody in an Off-Broadway play. So I love when I get an opportunity because somebody else moved up, you know wrong. Them having some kind of tragedy so you know, that's often how things happen. I say all that because I knew when I was asked to be in that room that that was the room. I had been waiting to get into office in New York and try to move a bunch of stuff around in my life to be full time in a rehearsal room. And I was just in awe of the way the company talked to each other the the the way they were hashing out the just the intelligence of everybody in the room and the humor and I was really impressed how much descent Moises could take in the room. I like to think I was you know, a very often a light new beginner but my stuff says I was never like that. So I was always harassing him from day one. So what I'm curious cuz you just talked about how it was different and it really thought calling. So what specifically was different about being in that room versus rooms you had been in prior to that moment. Well, I wanted to make work about social themes about things. Mattered in the real world and up until then. I had gotten enough positive feedback to think. Oh, I'm going to go to New York and it's a matter of time before I'm Meryl Streep, you know, and I and then when I encountered roadblocks when I got to New York, then I started trying to create my own work. I was also an artistic associate with new George's which is a theater company in New York that does new work by women and you were nobody at that company if you weren't making your own work, so I kind of had to become a Creator out of necessity. So I often think if you know, you know for your young listeners out there all the obstacles actually help you hone your craft you're either going to take more dance classes or more singing lessons or you're going to learn to create your own work or make your own podcast because if you don't there are other people who are going to be able to take them. Initiative and you learn about okay if I'm going to do all this why am I doing it? Why does it matter and I think that can the Y can change throughout your life. So I definitely even in the early days of The Laramie Project like oh good. I'm I'm finally going to be in something people are going to see and care about and I did get an agent because of being in that show and so then I got to be on, you know, a handful of The Usual Suspects Bounty the Law & Order SVU that kind of thing so I got to take some of those boxes and it's still like it's just never linear right? You think oh all this has happened now, you know ABC happening now, the rest of the alphabet is going to happen and it just doesn't work that way but I do feel that all the devising that I've been doing co-authoring a book with Moises wage. I do feel like this is the work that I'm meant to be doing and now I have enough experience that I can lead a room and I I kind of think that you know, marry back to your question about, you know, divisors and directors. Dissipating and designers. I do think that moment work kind of turns you into a director lead divisor like you end up really wanting to craft the work. Once you get your life is around it some people do it and they're like, you know, they dip their toe in and they're like, wow, I never want to do that again and I always say that is a totally legit outcome for you. Like if that's what you've discovered. Like, I don't want to work in this Ensemble way. I don't like not knowing what's going to happen at rehearsal, you know, so when I lead a devising room I try to start on time and energy on time because everything in between is that your constant exactly. So I try to have snacks, you know, I try to I try to take care of everybody in the room to the degree that I can we're going to circle back to the snacks later. I promise project so as a lead divisor, so I'm not as familiar. I've never personally experienced birth. Theatre from the inside. So I'm like my imagination is just running right now. And even when I was just obviously doing some reading on it. I was my mind was just you know, running a thousand miles a minute walk as a lead divisor. Do you like you you going like strictly not having any idea of what kind of obviously the product you're not really sure of but you have an idea of the process you want to take or is it purely just getting in the room with individuals and just going well again, I think a lot of different companies use different starting points. There's a company in Great Britain called frantic assembly and they're very movement driven. They give incredible devising workshops and a lot of their stuff will start with here's a piece of music when Moises had the hunch for his play 33 variations off. He got really captivated by the question. Why would a composer make 33 variations of this same little Waltz tune and then a whole play was devised from that Central Club? And so when we when we tectonic when I say we I mean sort of tectonic and then the various creative collabs that I've had since then when we come into a room, there's usually a pretty strong hunch. I you know, like I'll just go ahead and talk about my current project here to hashtag here too. When I went to the March for our lives in New York. I just got that tingly feeling up the back of my spine that was very similar to that feeling of this is a lightning rod moment. Just like the murder of Matthew Shepard was a lightning rod moment was a moment in the culture that brought people together across, you know, a lot of different intersectional backgrounds that began I think sort of, you know, the advances that we have seen in the struggle for equality. And so I was feeling that same way and so my initial thought was well, I should go down and interview the Parkland students and juice. So it's sort of a sidebar we often will like pose formal questions, you know, like because one of I think the outcomes when the play is well-structured, you know, I'm not a fan of devised work that I can't but so hermetic. I don't know what's going on. I have no patience for that. But if you're figuring out the content as you're figuring out the form wage, then the theatricality is going to be so baked in that rather than like, oh I've written all the words and now I'm going to figure out you know, the the sexiest way to dress this up. But so you're figuring out life. Oh this moment. It's going to be served by direct address. Oh, no, this moment is going to be better served by a projection. This moment is going to be better served by silhouette, you know, like you're getting that all out in the room and then you don't overwrite cuz you're relying on the other elements. So with here, too. My initial I had this formal question in the back of my head from watching high school students. Do The Laramie Project over the last twenty years and seeing how switched on they get like, you know, cuz they were rarely cold to think about such important social themes and they know it's the the words of real people and they see even though that happened twenty years ago the struggles that were still having so it's always something meaningful to me and so my formal question in the back of my mind forever has been how could I create another project like The Laramie Project that also gives students the chance to be generative cuz the other thing I love about teaching devising is that I'm teaching people how to be generative rather than interpretive. Right? Like I I only had the kind of tear you down to build you up acting, you know curriculum when I was in college and it was all about like, oh, I'm you know, my singing voice isn't good enough. I never going to be a dancer. I'm No, and and trying to hone all those skills, but no one ever talked to me about you know, generating my own work unless it was in sort of a writer, you know, I had to write a creative thesis. So I did learn how to put my thoughts together but not in necessarily in a theatrical creative way. So when I started working on here to the hunch was oh there's something in the the narratives of these Parkland students that needs to be its own play. But then as I started working on it with my co-creator Jimmy maze another tectonic colleague we realized quickly. Well, hey, we didn't want to go down there and take something from them. I think that's another thing that we've learned over time with interview Base theater is that unless you're being KO intentional with your bank interview. He's you know, it can't be I'm going to come down and appropriate your story. You know, it has it really there needs to be a kind of back and forth with your interviewees and we did go down. And offer them a workshop because we wanted to offer them something rather than take their stories. You know what I mean? And even by the time we had met their theater teacher Melody and work with some the kids while we were down there the Santa Fe, Texas shooting happened and so it was you know, just upsetting and it was a terrible time and we just got to create them. They were like do you want to talk about what just happened in Texas? They were like, can we just do some fun stuff? So that's what we did. It was really sweet. And so when we started developing the PCM had a residency called The Orchard project in Saratoga Springs, and we're working with college students all over the country and they kept saying oh, do you know what's happening in Baltimore? Oh, I have a friend who's a gun some activists in Texas. She held the vigil after that Santa Fe Texas shooting and so we realized oh, yes use the scaffold of March for our lives all the different activists wage. Events, but you know, let's interview the unheralded activists all around the country. So that's an ongoing process now of meeting and now it's sort of you know, I'm at Penn State my students there because of covid-19 did a black lives matter Penn State State College activists podcast. So you can find that here to podcast on Apple has tag here to or Spotify or you can go straight to both sprouts and there you can find our patreon page. So hashtag here, too. They interviewed some incredible high school and college-aged activists so here to continues to evolve and the idea is, you know, someday Jimmy and I will write V hashtag here to place you can license that but we also hope people will use the open-source portal that we're developing of all the interviews so that each Community can say we we're going to use as a basis the version from home. State but we're going to swap in some local content. That way they don't have to devise the whole play. It took us a year and half to write The Laramie Project, you know, so in the the time period allotted that can happen a little bit of a chance to be generative. That was a long answer but that's that's sort of How It's my my sense of devising has evolved. I want it to really I want to make it easy for people to make good work because you end up spending all your time either Gathering Source material and then no time to put it together or you don't have enough of a structure to pin it down to so the whole thing can feel like those skits on Saturday Night Live those High School skits. They do with the box and the blue light and the you know in your face stuff like, you know, that's not what I'm going for. I'm wondering if there was a time in the industry that you've noticed where there was a switch in college programs or programs. General for performing and creating theater started to encourage their students to make their own work devising that even the name of it. That really has its Origins back in Great Bridge with Caryl Churchill and joint stock company. So she was working that way, you know as early as the seventies and then in New York, of course there were things like happenings, you know, where you show up and things would just happen and Moises says in the forward of the book that you know, when he was studying at NYU in the experimental Theater Wing, you know, he was studying with Mary overly the inventor of the viewpoints which really came out of dance discipline and then a black guard and Tina Landau who's who sort of further codified it for the theater and said, well, there's nine viewpoints. Actually, there's any points of time and viewpoints of space. So, you know, he was steeped in off. All of that and seeing plays at the Wooster group. And so that that all was definitely happening, you know late 60s 70s 80s and for a while, you know the recall at the Tyrant text text was sort of demonized and thrown out and my says really loved all the experimentation he was seeing but he's so story-driven that sort of you know, the the Legacy that I feel like we've all inherited and even calling it device theater when we made The Laramie Project in the year two-thousand, we weren't Kong at that and I remember a friend of mine did one of the first high school productions of The Laramie Project and took it to Edinboro and I was with her and and then that show got picked up or High School production to be The Laramie Project Premiere in Great Britain in well in London, I should say and when I would describe to people, you know what I was doing there and they would log I would you know say it's based on interviews and talk about the subject matter. The Brits would say say so it's rather than like a devise. Peace and I would love oh, okay off like that. We weren't even calling it that I'm sure there were there have been communities. You know that have been doing like Augusta Bowl in theater of the oppressed and I think especially if you're in a you know, let's call it a marginalized Community where you look at the the Canon of plays and you don't see yourself reflected. You might decide to lean more toward device theater. I mean again, that's that's what I really love about it is, you know, when I was in college, I played Juliet and Lydia languish and and pair data package. And so I felt like oh, I'm I'm the prototypical sort of, you know aunjanue and then as soon as I got out of college, it was really clear know. There are a lot of people who are more jobs. Aunjanue then you but I wasn't quite a character actor either. You know, I still I still you know wasn't heavy and I wasn't funny looking but I was just sort of average. So I I really think that devising a sort of democratized, you know, who who gets to see themselves on stage and the other thing like for somebody who wants to dip their toe in or if any professors are listening. I worked with Christian young who teaches in San Francisco and I call her my feminist rehearsal thought partner. And so when I'm devising this gift to the snacks to making sure when you're devising that you have many showings like once a week you invite people in and say this is what we're exploring this point in our devising because if you're devising with students chances are it's a lot of the students who don't normally see themselves cast in the quote unquote main stage show, so they may not have a song. Experience performing and so then not only are they performing a show that it's never won a Tony Award. They are, you know scared to death of performing in general and then the fact that they don't know if they made is any good. So it's kind of important to think of devising as a way to bring your community together more often than not not just waiting for opening night. I think you have to be really clear if you share your work with what you want from your audience, you know, like most stressful off and say what you're about to see is not a play. It's not even a first draft of a play. It's a collection of moments and we love or some feedback on you know, and he might even frame a few questions or give a little bit of background information or given done. If you don't want to if you want to have what we call Joe X, like if Joe walks in here can they make sense of what we've made in some way or another but really more what I'm talking about is giving your divisors a chance to perform. And recover and make more work and perform again, like maybe you invite the designers and if they're not part of your process, maybe you invite some other faculty. Maybe you asked everybody to bring a friend but that you do is kind of sharing along the way that it doesn't feel like a complete freak out when you have to put the whole thing together in front of an audience. That's when I I I I experienced what I call the mute of days when they all start thinking she doesn't know what she's doing and we have to have a mutiny. Do you think in education in journalism AIDS in device theater package think of device theater and just based on this conversation alone. I just think with the interviews and I even side barring just for a minute with with our podcast. There's a certain level of like a journalistic wage mindset that you almost have to have and so I'm wondering as you're prepping those interviews are actually doing those interviews conducting those interviews with with the people with Down. Down in Florida or out in Laramie. Do you think having a background or an education in journalism helps helps that process. Well, one of the things that I think gave us a lot of trust in Laramie is that we had no idea what we were doing. So the the media had arrived as soon as they learned of Matthew Shepard Birds attack, so if you remember back he stayed in a coma in the hospital for four nights, so there was a lot of time for the media to follow the story to learn more about the perpetrators and they started doing really kind of shity things like interviewed a drunk outside a bar who was just like collapsed on the side of the street. Like what do you think of what happened? Like, can you imagine if they did that in your town? You'd be like that does not represent us. So they they really got a black guy from the media who came and got their sound bites and left and then a month. Or install ten members of tectonic theater project and camp out for ten days. And you know, we started where we knew it would be warm in the theater department, And from there we'll introduced us so, you know, it was a warm, you know, a sales term a warm Market, you know often there was very little sort of like going out and trying to talk to people without some form of introduction. I think I could be wrong about that cuz I wasn't on the first trip so I don't know how various company members found their interviewees. So in that case, I think the naivete and wage to reflect that in the writing, you know, like making ourselves narrators of the peace and it kind of becomes one culture exchanging with another culture and initially, you know, the New York Times review was not get out your checkbook run don't walk it was it was you know tempered it was like, well Anna deavere Smith, does this better or you know probably said a bunch of good things and as is typical. Only remember the bad things but you know cut to now they they had another piece that came out the 25 most important place since angels in America and The Laramie Project is on that list, you know, they didn't help us keep the show running off Broadway at the time but they have acknowledged that it's it's been a really meaningful piece for a really long time. Now, I do think though that we could get away with that then and now and not all devices play has to be based on interviews not remotely but if that is happening now, there's a lot more sophistication and sensitivity around who can tell whose story, you know, and I'm finding that a lot with my students that they they don't want to appropriate anyone else's culture. Just super super respectful and mindful. I just I love working with young people. I think it really forces me to be examine, you know, my fifty years of learned behavior and Status Quo and question things. Sometimes it's a big pain in the butt wage, but it's worth it's always worth doing so now I think you have to be and I want to be you know, as I said much more two-way street with my interviewees and with my devices, you know, but I don't like to rent a room where I'm the you know, the the be-all end-all and often my devices are coming up with I may come in with the hunch but they are making moments that I could never conceive of, you know, so that's the other thing. I really love about it is that I don't need to know all the answers. We're going to figure it out together. How do you get in a room? What are the first what are the first things you do with your students to get them on the birth? Pages you or or in the classroom. Are you also like when you're in a rehearsal room trying to play off the strength of those individuals and then moving on from there? I think every hunch that you come into the devising process with sort of Demands a unique starting point. I devised with a moment work teacher play right right or friend. Her name's - Samuels and she had studied acting in France and they were using real, you know, kind of chestnut speeches like some Shakespeare and some like Mary Stuart, you know about Mary Queen of Scots and Elizabeth some just some really kind of Dusty old material Lucretia Borgia from Victor Hugo's Lucas dead. But she as she was looking at these old texts. She thought these Queens from literature have something to say to each other and something to say to us. And so we just got in a room 4 of us and we thought about what would Queens have and then each of us was sort of the drama Touareg of one of the plays and we thought about okay, what are some objects and and other things that might be in the world of this play and we would really just make non text moments and we brought that to the orchard project as well one year and devise most often with a female Ensemble a couple of dudes but female identified primarily cuz it was a play for ten women and some of the non text moments they made ended up in the final piece off and in this particular device piece. It was really important to her that she'd be called the playwright. So, you know some of that you have to kind of negotiate up front, you know, she wanted to be the playwright and I said, okay then on the title page, I want to be called the divisor, you know, so so it's nice. It really changes kind of your relationship to it and I ended up directing the first production of that play and what I did in the room with my students the play was mostly written. It was nearly over written. So a lot of what we did was keep chipping away at it so that it was just what had to be in there for the story to hang together and make sense. So most of the devising I did in that process with my students was movement driven and incredible choreographer who was on staff there and you know, like I would I would I would even think as the Director with the clock ticking toward production mine, I would say well she she wasn't there all the time but when she came she said well, could we do you think we could do some devising with the gloves today? Because we had done all these incredible moments with them. Was that could be used for sound and they made this like dish gloves like fancy dish gloves, but also looked kind of like they were made of like fancy Queen materials. So we were kind of planning with that sort of domestic versus Regal quality of seeing a woman wearing gloves and and I in my head I thought oh boy, this is going to be a waste of two hours of rehearsal and it unlocked so much of the piece working even though it hadn't made its way into the scripted version in her mind. We were still going to do something with those moments and you know, there were there were a bunch of different things like that that we could make moments of and then I could sequence the moments to come up with a movement sequence that was moving the action forward in the play. So that's how like for example that particular structure worked out in devising. So looking at today's climate and your work in universities, you know dead. All over how is the digital component that we are kind of now forced into how does that how does device Cedar work within that or how are you how I mean, I'm sure that was a hurdle at first when I first got when you first started doing that and the digital landscape, so I'm curious as to like, how did you work through that and then how were you using it today? I'm actually really busy and I think partly because God, you know universities especially are struggling to figure out how to keep their students engaged and devising weirdly enough. You can do I can teach the moment work process and we can work on our individual screens and we can put people into breakout rooms. So one person can be kind of directing the person off exploring something cuz it's hard to explore a prop but also keep your eye on your screen. So the person who's watching can kind of you know be saying oh that was cool. Oh do that again. Oh, that's the most interesting thing. Did so to a point, you know, we can really help people understand what the process is like and then as soon as you get to the more, you know moments can start out very simple. They might be you know in just for your listeners moment work is a simple construct where you say, I begin something happens could be as simple as a gesture a walk across the stage a piece of text something simple one element of the stage and then you say I end and whatever is between those brackets if I begin I end is your moment and then moments can become quite elaborate where you might have. Okay, the sound is going to start after the person starts walking across the stage and then the lights are going to Flicker and then you know, so you can really score a moment with many thousands of the stage and that gets tricky to do in your room by yourself to operate sound and lights and be the body and the move in the moment as well. So, you know, for example it drew we're using the song And finds of the zoom screen as part of the hunch, you know and figuring out like okay, you know, this is about people who are confined and telling stories life. And so it's kind of looking at the nature of why we tell stories and then the stories that they focused on we discovered they're sort of a common hunch of monstrous women off. Why do we tell stories where women are monsters like Medusa or you know, so so that'll be fun to figure out how then to create that over zoom off a friend of mine Lucy to Bergen brilliant director. She's French. And so she started a multi-year in the park in Prospect Park and they did tartuffe resume and they used a kind of you know channel changer software where they could put up a background and then sort of float the heads of everybody in the scene and I think that it got it had some famous people in it like Samira Wiley playing tartuffe. Oh, I did see that. Yes. I didn't get to see the the performance but I did see that it was happening. Yeah, and I think something like that might be something was wrong. But I think it was something like forty thousand people saw it and you think how many production how many performances in the you'd have to do and how much I mean it's not great for the actors cuz you know, they're not dead. If we're not performing every week, we're not getting paid every week. But you know, so I think there can be a way in which this current moment can help us all connect with each other in a in a kind of perverse way. It's might have some positive Silver Lining. So I was really prepared to just wait it out and do nothing but the world is demanding that we move in New York craft. So yeah, I see I mean, I really think that we're going to coming out of this. We're I think full have learned so much that we don't even realize now and I think that whole idea of like the connection I think will be I hope at least will be so much greater when we get back to, you know, live theatre. We're we're we're right next to somebody and we can you know, touch them like, oh my gosh. Well, even you know, you only have to see a handful of shows to know that sometimes talking about theater is more fun than actually going home. See theater gives a solid chance to talk about how much we loved theater right at Penn State this summer, you know, if the covid-19 in wasn't going on we would be preparing we would have been preparing to we had a bunch of interns at Penn State this summer who are doing things like cleaning up old interviews and making sure you know, they were sort of ready to go into this open-source portal and then you know, the black lives matter stuff kicked off and it was really vibrant at Smith college. And so they wanted to Pivot and interview those activists. So now here to the platform of you know, my baby is now that much bigger like the first season of the podcast is State College, but you know, there can be a here to you know, Chicago or a here to Texas birth. You know and and continue doing the podcast and talking to the activists from all these different communities. I mean, I've only scratched the surface of how much youth activism and going on and then we can you know, right now we are focused on gun violence. But if I had started a year later, it might have been stories of Youth activism stories of climate change, you know like that young people are really off creating this incredible shift and I just, you know, I just want to amplify that however, I can and there's a multitude of you know, Avenues wage with the with your platform which I think is amazing. I'm going to be putting the link. Oh great. Hashtag here too in the description notes for anyone who wants to take a look highly encourage it. I have one more question before we get to our lightning round voir dire. What do you think is a common misperception of that people might have of device theater. I think people assume it will be easier than writing a play. I have seen some really amazing playwrights make terrible device theater and I'm not naming any names but it's really it really frustrates me because I you know, like I I have device her friends who call themselves playwrights. I don't really think of myself as a player at I think of myself more as an aggregator page and I have written a play, you know, because I thought I was being called in to devise a play with students and it became clear. They just wanted me to write the fall School play so I should have done it. But you know, I have a lot of respect for people who can just make stuff up make up characters and you know those then they become so real that you when you're performing like well, I don't think my character would never do that or my character is you know, like like they're real people so great respect for that, but I think There are some. People who think oh, I'm going to just try my I'm just going to try devising and then they should but you know, it's not going to be easier. At least it's not going to be easier to make something that not that every piece needs to stand the test of time or you know, it could just be something that pops off and is brilliant and you know never get seen again. It's one of the things I love about moment work cuz you make hundreds of moments and it's really a way to sketch in the rehearsal room. You don't want to get too precious about them because you don't know you don't know if they're going to be useful or not. So it's a lot of discovering and letting go discovering and letting go so, you know, sometimes there's Tears like it's really devising as fun but it can also be really hard and stressful like it's it's a really rigorous process. I think if you're if you're doing it, right, you know, I I don't credit myself as being one of the I was dead. Actor drama Touareg on The Laramie Project and then there were several people in the cast and Lee fondakowski and our amazing drama towards Steve Wong who were really in the room hashing out. What should be in the plan what shouldn't need to play which could be alarming when they would show up at the next rehearsal with some of their favorite stuff cut, but The more I've seen it over the years and listened to other of the people who were in The Writing Room talk about it, I realize oh that plays incredibly well structured and so I think people think of tectonic as a theater for social change because of The Laramie Project and some of the other, you know activist kind of oriented work like I am my own life or gross indecency the three Trials of Oscar Wilde, but if you think of the word tectonic really tectonic makes you think of tectonic plates or architecture, so the the the theater company really came together to challenge and question form and so I think one of the reasons that devised piece is enduring is not just that it's a heartbreaking story and an incredible story of a community, but the way the thing is put together is is quite well structured. So this lightning round that we do is kind of just just that lightning we won't really respond or you know, go too much into your responses. It's just you know, whatever comes to mind. So our first first question is so good. Let Mary loves this one. What is one thing in the theater industry that confuses you this is what confuses me about theater why that's so inhumane. Why is a thing that is about empathy and connection so fucking inhumane so much of the time and I'm so happy to see the we see you white American Theater and to see, you know a moment where people are stepping down from jobs suck what you know, and trying to make more space for other people and and, you know not being trained the way I was trained up which is your piece of shit and we're going to remold you, you know wage Why why is theater so inhumane what are three adjectives that describe your favorite working environment hilarious meaningful. On my feet. Is there something about your process that you would find unique to you? I guess the snacks come to mind. Okay, then then I'll move a little ahead. What is your favorite song Whistle snack? There's another lightning round question. Well, if I'm left to my own devices and the vending machine, I'll always go for a Snickers home. But now if I'm providing the snacks to my students I have so many gluten-free students vegan students that you know have to find the snacks. That would be more inclusive. Some nuts some clementines some some gluten-free pretzels. Yeah, that kind of thing. I have to say the reason I put that question in here for this month one is because whenever I was doing a rehearsal with Ellen, she would always be very into the snacks in rehearsal. We would constantly bring snacks for each other. So it was a very important part of our rehearsal process and she just she just does that cuz that's who she is. She's better Joe's always been this well in like the baker she just she's always baking those, you know, those little cookies off the chocolate chip cookies that are many stars. Oh, yes. Yep, you're pretty, you know exactly which ones yeah and crinkles and we had her over last week to our new house and she brought us some nice loaves of pumpkin chocolate chip pumpkin bread and Tahini shortbread cookies, which were to die for ya think. You're really hungry, you know wage. I think of it as a very feminist act to make sure people feel cared for in rehearsal. What is 1? I love gardening. I love flowers. I don't think you can you can see that those back there. Those are dried hydrangeas, but right now I probably have like there's a farmers market near me and I go there almost every day and I call myself the flower piggy. I always buy all the cut flowers. What is one job in the theater industry that you would change jobs with for one week. Trade jobs with for one week costume design. I want to ask why but we can what is the scariest moment that you've had off stage? There was one time in The Laramie Project Off Broadway. And this is back in the you know, Iron Age when TVs were still big three dimensional objects. And so we said the media descended and five TVs came down on little trolleys and the trolleys were kind of unstable and they would kind of swing and then one of the one of them like came down unevenly and fell off its trolley and hung like smashed as it dropped from its safety cable. Oh, so that was pretty scary. Yeah. I didn't know what cover I turned off stage and put my hands over my mouth and I was like, oh my God, what are we going to do? And then Mercedes Herrero God bless or just went Laramie Wyoming the gym city of the planes and we and then we were like, okay, that's cool. Doing and we all just kept kept going. Wow, and our final question is what's the last great piece of Theatre that you saw I'm sure there was one after this. But the first thing that popped in my head was Hades town. I feel like you see a hundred shows hoping to see Haiti's Town. It was like everything such a great story about like in community With Their audience from from the first scene to the epilogue incredibly beautifully staged. Yeah, just just it that tear that we why we build the wall song God, I guess she wrote that before the moment that were in right now so long that play had everything for me. This was so nice. Thank you so much bar before coming on, you know snippet so that I don't sound like such a windbag. Oh no. No, no. No, we're keeping a full responses. Oh that's fascinating. It truly is cuz like I said earlier like I've never I've seen device theater. I've never been someone who was like helped devise a piece of theater. So I'm carrying your your process has been truly enlightening. So thank you. Yeah, thanks for asking. Thanks everyone for listening to this episode of page-to-stage to keep up with us. 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The PewterCast, LIVE - Buccaneers at Raiders

The PewterCast : A Tampa Bay Bucs Fan Podcast, Buccaneers

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The PewterCast, LIVE - Buccaneers at Raiders

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I am Brent Allen your host joined as always by my good friend Ren chatting it up all game long. Strong in Tampa Bay Buccaneers put a wall up in on the Las Vegas Raiders and we're here to talk about it buddy. Yeah, I think you know the final score is going to project. You know, what we all thought it was going to happen. But there was a point there where you know, they got it within seven in the second half right and people are like, oh, okay. There was a lot of freak outs off. So I just said and you mentioned I was in chat. I was on the Collide app with it was me you and fifty one of our closest friends. That was a lot of fun you you sort of say that a little tongue-in-cheek. Yep. Fifty one of our closest friends, but honestly the people who were in there are the people we interact with all the time like as far as Twitter family or Buccaneers fan and friends like they really wage. Yeah. I don't know if I didn't know anybody that commented right now like, you know, there was only about twenty twenty-five people that were continually commenting but you know for people that off the lease that I saw cuz I I didn't watch it the whole time. I was watching the game and I'd come back sort of like my thing was after every Drive I'd kind of throw something and then put it back down sure. But yeah, I thought it was a lot of fun, but maybe this game like defense, you know, like gave up ten points and then shut him down and then yeah, I'm sure there's going to be a little talk about the defense with the office took the Raiders are top five offensive team. Yeah, you know and when push came to shove they made a play and it flipped the game around another, you know a tip Ball by Edwards who's been place. Great when Phil gets his first pic and then you know, okay. Well when our up 18, okay, like games over right but there were some things that I would like to see none a friend but besides that man, you know business trip successful. Yeah, right, right. No, it's it was it was certainly a game I know for me. There were there were times especially earlier in the game. Like it just felt like the the whole like both teams honestly, but especially the Buccaneers just sort of came out flat like that first couple of series just know I don't know if it was like just no fans in the stands. I mean even offered. Yes the first time I think they've won a game with no fans in the stands. Oh really and the other two, they've had a hard time generating, you know, yeah, like generating their own juice. So so to speak right? Right. Well, they took in that today, but yeah, but yeah, you're right. There was a again start off just felt really low energy. I mean besides the ball and and like my son my son was watching the game with me. My my eight year old son who is you know, sort of birth. And sort of not and he's like Dad. I just I just I'm not into this game. I just it's boring. I just want to go play and I was like I promised there it's going to pick up and somewhere around I guess the second quarter all of a sudden and he was into the rest of the game, which was awesome. And that's kind of how I think I tracked through it a little bit as well. But you're right this game certainly. I mean at the end of the day if 4:55 to twenty I think is the final. Yeah. That's what it was 45 to 20. I mean, it didn't feel like a 45 to 20 game throughout throughout the day, but all of that to say ran we are here to talk about it. We'll talk about all the good the bad the ugly everything in between but we're not just doing it alone. Oh no, no, no. No, I would like to say hello to everyone who is joining us live out there in the internet's World wherever you may be whether song on YouTube Periscope Twitter Facebook pewter cast. Live or maybe you're listening to us on the podcast feed later or maybe you're watching the replay of the video sometime later at whatever Point you're listening to us wage. Hello and welcome to the Pewter cast for those of you who are joining us live. We will open up the phone lines and just a few moments. You also will be able to join us here in the video chat. I'll drop that link in the chatroom. You guys just took please remember we only have one line so we can only take one person at a time will take you guys in order that you come and listen for anybody else who may be in this in this chat. We're starting Ren week after week. We're starting to get more and more fans from other teams who join us for the show. So if you're here and you're not a Buccaneers fan welcome, we've been doing this sort of Montage Montage homage to our good friend Derek and and the what the book podcast, you know, they also had a role with their tailgate which was everyone is welcome. Just don't be an asshole and that's kind of what we're going to say here. Like if you're a fan from another team awesome. You're welcome here and let's just not, you know be jerks about it about it, you know Buccaneers win and this is a Buccaneer Centric show that be okay. Said ran before we opened the phone lines. I do have a couple of things. I want to talk to you about and get your quick takes on before we do that cuz I definitely want to get to the phone lines. Oh, yeah, so wrong one. Well, shoot. All right. Anyway, I want to talk about a few things the big the big thing of the game that seem to be happening out there on Twitter and even in the Collide app a lot of people talking about sort of on the negative side of thing of things I think is what's up with Mike Evans Mike Evans. I think by the he had his first Target like at the end of the game and I know we had one earlier but it didn't count cuz it was like DPI or something but like didn't anybody had like two Targets the whole game, you know one reception like like what's going on with Mike Evans? Why are we not seeing Mike Evans is this is this a lot of people actually like getting really really missed about it. And the question I have is do you think people be so mad about Mike Evans not getting his touches if we had you just signed a b no, I don't think it has anything to do with that. I think has more to do with fantasy football than anything else. Oh wow. You know, I'm you know, I I would like to see might get more touches. I watch I got to watch a little bit be a press conference and that question did come up and see what he says like we knew that God what the Raiders are going to do to Mike and we you know plan accordingly but there has been some times not that deep Scotty Miller touchdown with the one we're Slayers have colic calm down over route yet ronc ran a couple of times early then Scotty rented one time late and and you know Brady was dropping the guy was he so on point there what he kept dropping the ball in the bucket and when he dropped it in a bucket and he showed the replay Mike had one on one with a corner on the side of the field, right so he could have gone Mike's way. But if you were to Scotty Scotty caught it and so it was a big play either way so long as long as my ex okay with it. I'm okay with it. And when Mike's on okay with that, I'm still okay with it it just as long as this summer just gotta talk to him, you know, right and I don't I'm not going to or off. Care to talk about a be the show because he wasn't there fair enough and he won't be there for another week or two weeks. Right? Right, and we'll see we'll see what happens when that goes off a little line that came out during today's game will discuss it on next week's bucks in the news show. Here's to more questions for you wrote Jojo Jojo Jojo came in and let's hear what did he have? I should look at it. But either way wasn't good what happened with Roadshow because I saw a lot of people saying Roadshow drops a pass so they basically sat him and we didn't seem to be until the second half. Is that a statement by Bas and if you drop a ball you don't get to play or was it just for net came out and was actually having a pretty good game and we rode the hot hand. Yes, either one can be true because you know for a fact was not seen until the second half to after he dropped that pass but I still like Rodeo better as a runner. I do like, you know, I've seen enough of for Thursday. Wherefore Nets getting the negative 101 yards like rodeos getting for right, you know, so I still want wrote I still want to be, you know, the power guy off now if you're sitting in for certain plays because you want to throw the package or the game plan has a lot of you know throws to the back and think that's the best way to sort of move the offense down the field and you want to put it in for Rhoda. Okay, off-road was gotta be better as a pass-catcher. And story if you want to stay on the field, but if you're up by 10.11.18 points and you're trying to run the clock out, I want Ro Joe in them. And I think that's what we saw most most there at the end of the game. All right one more question. And this is more personal to me sure and this is where you're going to have to pick up the the actual details or tell me that I'm absolutely crazy Bowls does. Okay. This is my experience. I feel like okay. No, listen to the question. I tell tell me if this Rings true to you. Okay. Am I am I crazy more because it feels like home. Last several games particularly the Packers game in this game, but it feels like maybe even longer than that. The team is coming out a little slow at first, but then it really continues to pick up speed as we go down as we go down the stretch. So my question is what what's going on like I'm starting to see a pattern here are we just wearing teams down and we're outlasting them or are we are we truly starting slow? It's just really coming on later in the game. What what's going on with this? Well before the Packers game in this game, like the Bucks went down the field and scored a touchdown or or like would score the first time they had the ball, you know, for the Packers game. We were leading the league in first quarter points, right? So it's hard to say there you go much better. Sorry. So it's hard to say that you know that they're not that often said, you know has been sputtering all year these games. Yeah, they went three-and-out three-and-out and the other team went touchdown fuel go touch on field-goal. So they're up ten nothing, you know, you know, and it was like, okay. Yep. I guess something the way I would rephrase it and not worry about the offense keep an eye on it. You know, I don't think two games against, you know, plus five hundred teams going three-and-out because especially this game because Brady missed Broncos wide open like first play the game like he got caught that he had been up like they often kind of been out and rolling in Midfield right in play, right? But secondly, Todd Bowles defense doesn't seem to react well to scripted plays. We know all the you know, the head coach had the first ten fifteen twenty played scripted. And when in the Green Bay game and in this game too scripted plays like the Raiders and the Packers looked Unstoppable then when they got off the script and you know, they had sort of sort of start making these decisions where they didn't practice the quarterback as they're making these decisions on these plays in practice as much as those ten fifteen twenty that's in the defense starts to get to him and starts making some stops. So that would those would be the two things I'd look at but yep. You know, we've we've done this a long enough, you know, it's a week-to-week league, right? We're always afraid like okay, we should have the Packers no sacks no penalties or going to do that every game. We're smarter. It's not going to happen often. Like we're going to lose another game this year. We are at least two we might lose three, but it might even be to a team that we're not supposed to lose to like Atlanta. You're right. Yeah, or the Saints aren't looking spectacular anymore at all, right? Yeah. So I mean so it's it's something to watch. I'm glad you brought it up cuz that's something I didn't really think about or or notice so much but I think when we're six games in and four of those games we score soon as we get the ball march on the field but in the end zone and tuning as we didn't seem hard to sort of be like, come on guys do your job. Right? Right. All right. Well with that, why don't we go ahead and open up the phone lines for anybody who does want to call in the number? 647 to 9 bucks. That's eight 6:47 to 9 bucks. I have heard from some people out in the chat room that I'm a little low I've turned myself up. So if you guys how much better yeah. Yeah, let me know out there for you guys. I need to do anything else always appreciate that. It's hard to check that before we go live with anybody else out there. We do have a call come in. Let's find out who we got here with us overnight. You are on the line with Brent and ren for the pewter cats live. Who do we got here? Hey guys, it's me. What's going on T on? Hey, Kian. Oh man. I prefer got back from the game. 4520 Karen Brady. Look very good. Our office is like has been you know, I feel like they get to a point where they have had a good run of bad things and then it levels off but it doesn't look like anything that is too scary. You know what I'm saying? But our defense is Stellar, I'm looking at this team and I thought And we can beat the Packers and received twice this year. What do you guys think? Well, we only play the Chiefs once so, that'd be that'd be crushed feet. And we only pay the Packers once however together we woke play twice those two very good teams and we could win both of those. Yes. Yeah, you know, I think we're going to I agree because you know why I don't read I'm going to I'm going to get the audio clip and then just going to play it on the loop we go into the ship we go into the ship. Go ahead. Go ahead and go ahead Kyon off. Like I'm so happy for our working here to get your first season in it. He's in flying thought. Oh my gosh. It's so excited. Everything looks like everything looks like is going very much as plans. Like we're still relatively healthy. And again, we did a v you can really open up this offense and I think really smooth out. Here we go in and out. We just look back with you like I'm with you. I understand. I hear you. There are sometimes with the automatic looks out. They started out flat this game, you know Brady Miss Gronk on a wide-open Paso to put them at the 50,000 one plane or two plays, you know, they ran the ball really well to beginning then went for net went in there kind of went away altogether. Arrojo came back. It wasn't there like there were some times where the offense doesn't go down the hall those field and score but the other team gets paid, you know, we put a 45 points without any defensive touchdowns, right? So it's it's really hard to sit there and be critical about it. But this is what I will say from what we're used to seeing with Jameis Winston all like remember when the coaches have to tell him like every Drive should end in a kick right place. Or or a field goal or an extra point with Jameis. It was like a touchdown or a turnover. So, you know, it was always very very very exciting offense always look like it was high octane because it had to be like, you know and watching Tom Brady. I think it was a second know it was the first drive off like third down. He shows he throws the Gronk it was like 3rd and 7th Rose to Gronk and it's like 440 yards and he was tackled right away. Jameis would have never thrown that pass. He would have pushed it past the Sticks no matter what and it might have been complete probably would a complete but we also know in might have sailed High might have been you know, the other bad things we know about so it's just gotta kind of sort of reprogram ourselves, especially when you look at the score and 45 to 20 to sit here and say like lumpens a little sluggish and but I kind of agree with you in my home It's like yeah, there's like a quarter quarter and half there was like like, you know, let's get it together boys. Come on come on come on, but then at the end of the day, it's like, you know about 45 freaking points like who else going 45 points today. Nobody key on you got anything else for us formula to go. Well, not really but all I say is just go go go box, We'll talk to you next week. Okay, pal. All right. All right. There we go. That is Kion. I think he on is getting the award for like the first call of the week. I think he's been first on our list for the last couple weeks in a row and they're running. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think he's he's over there. We got Cory wanting to join us here on the video stream Corey what's going on pal? What is going on guys talked to us about a 45-20. Hey, not not not much to complain about if anything. I just want to celebrate us looking like a NFL team that can bounce back from a big win wage. We've had these problems in the past if I'm not mistaken, we score 55 against the Rams and then then we come and lose to the job was the Giants game after or before that or it it was before. Okay. Well, I'm just glad we might have been I was born in London shoot on but I'm just really excited about what I'm seeing from this team once and I think you mentioned it ran once we get the defense away from the scripted plays the way that we could just come in and completely stop what you want to do that makes us a very special team and Tom Brady lives and he was beautiful today. I mean, I definitely wanted to take his throws out on a few dates absolutely beautiful. I watched one. I wanted his fourth quarter hair like for my everyday hair, it was beautiful. It was after the ground touchdown after the ground touchdown. He's sitting on the bed. Yeah, I don't know what what like it might have been the first touchdown or second or even third touchdown anything on the bench across all sweaty and he's like his hair hasn't even sent him sweaty know I took a picture and tweeted it was it was the fourth quarter and like the 7-minute mark and his hair was dry, but it's perfectly quaffed brand said it best about Mike Evans and I'm on the same train as you Mike Evans. This is seventh or eighth year 736 year. So it's a seventh-year right? If it was a second-year super star wide receiver. I would get some more frustration or may want more frustration on but he's done everything you could possibly do except play a playoff game, right? You know what I mean? My babysitter point of his career like shit. I know I'm great and I know I mean look at them against the soldiers. He was the only receiver out there for the most part and he did his thing. He had a buck fifty in the tub like so I'm with you around when I say as long as he's okay. I'm okay and who scored wage? Even if he's not okay, I'm okay, right exactly. There's only there's only so much you can and he's not going to complain seventh year has his sniff to play you think of Gerald McCoy was on this team he would care off if yes, yes, you would snaps. Yes you would you think so you think you would play a few twenty snip? Oh, yeah, you know much I don't like Jerry McCoy, right? No he okay. Okay. I'm loading that I'm being completely biased. Yes. You're right Gerald McCoy publicly definitely would say and probably personally to yeah, and it's with all these guys that have been in it liquid David that have been in this league that like our past like are in their second contract and have been to the playoffs. It's like like, oh like I'll wash out the Gatorade bucket like get me to a playoff game. I don't know but but look here's here's the thing. We all know all three of us and everybody out there listening who've been Bucks fans for longer than this year know that Gerald McCoy. There's to be Real McCoys that talk there's the odd Real McCoy when he's talking about what he really thinks and then there's the Gerald McCoy who's saying what he's supposed to say to the media which is usually what you get after the game or like when he's getting the tough question where he just he sits there with no emotion on his face sort of looking off to the left and right I said, it's a Levante David. Yeah, let's talk about current Bucs players. There you go. I like that. That's a good rule lately completely false wage. I have I have I have one point I was gonna let you go. Oh guys help you and I need your help at the computer. I need your help cast the computer cast. Yeah, you know computer disks needed a pewter pewter Peters I get it mixed up. So I need your help guys. Look, I am so tired of Bucks fans now allowing other book fans, like myself to enjoy our team be a winning relevant team saying I am sick and tired every freaking Time Winston couldn't do this Winston couldn't do them like guys like guys, come on man can wage. Enjoy the fact that our team is 5 and two. This is a compass Bucks team is completely different from the last five bucks team. Okay, it's not even it's not even remotely saying but even even so even so, let's stop doing that. Like I can see like I can't see any reason to take to want to be so right that I'm enjoying my game my team that I've been a fan of for twenty-three years. I'm enjoying my team my game and here you come James couldn't have done that guy's I mean just if we want to be funny and semantics about it. They had the same Cuba Cuba and James 2:30 pics come alive or if y'all really want me to keep arguing with you about Jameis fine. We'll do it. But I'm not going to steal this Joy. We're 5 and damn to top of our division seven weeks and you ain't gonna steal my joy. It's not going to happen just preached or taught preached. Here's my team here and here's my advice to you. If you're hearing this on Facebook. That's your fault. Get off Facebook fans on Facebook are not good wage. And there's nothing like good people. They're just not good fans that you know, they're not the best learn at educated fans learned it now and now if if they're people on Twitter, that's also your fault son. Follow him meet him, right, you know, just like, you know, it's sometimes just gotta cut those people out of your life the great thing about Twitter you can mold it to whatever you want. Whatever you want to see you can see off and then thirdly download the Cloud app and come with us cuz it was a great time in there. There you go. What I'm going to do from now, there you go. 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Who do we got here tonight is the first time I'm calling him, crows forever. Thanks for calling in. Go ahead. Sorry. No, no worries. This is a good game. It was great follow-up to the Packers to even though we didn't pay off. Still good enough to win and then we just like run off with it at the end. It was pretty good. Like even when I was twenty four twenty I was going to worry because it's great great. He's not going to you know, not going to be where you just going to do. What he does is marching on the field at that point. Yeah, that's you know, that was kind of like the the overall feeling of people I was hanging out with was when it got to twelve or Twenty. It was it was like, okay. This is why Brady's here, you know, this is why Tom Brady's here and he went down and scored a touchdown and then the team got a big turnover and he punched it in again and game over right it went you know in you know, I know that that you know, they put up a fifty two seconds or forty two seconds, but that didn't count the drive going down. But you know, it was just like the drive at the half man at the end of the half. He was so calm cool collected like we had plenty of time just do down the field, you know, we're going off. Like it here, that's fine. I'm going to call timeout like the only time we got frustrated. We need to call timeout twice on that final touchdown drive. You know, you guys she heard him like come on guys like right off and I don't know if he was coming on guys to the two. I don't think it was I don't think it was his guys on the field. I think it was, you know, the guy was like dying light like let's get this in playing a little quicker. But yeah my life and I mean, I know you said and I kind of have this feeling but when you look at the score, I know you said we didn't play our best, you know, we're not going to score a touchdown every time we have the ball. I know it feels like wage should I guess it does this is me off every time we don't screw punching the damn ball. That's not the kick. I want the only way that this truck series should end is with the gold with it with it going between the the uprights. That's the only kick that I want to end as a drive on but you're right rent. It's not at not everyone's going to end like that. We know that off. Yeah. But he ended up coming back. So we'll see how that goes. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see nothing. There's no way I could shoot for information online and they did a great job like not so that was a big surprise me. It was a surprise for me to like they had him blocked up when they were scripted right when they got off the script that's sort of when the defense sort of took over there started getting some sacks a little bit early in the third quarter to but then again, you know Gruden coach them up and got him, you know got got him blocked up. Plus they start attacking the flats a lot started using the tide out of the slot a log. The ball out really quickly which are smart because that's what they're supposed to do. Because you know now there are down to like their you know, their seventh and eighth offensive lineman like their two best offensive lineman. We didn't even play song and their third best offensive lineman get kicked out of the game. So, you know, it was sort of like it was done by necessity and I thought they hung in there with their game plan. But yeah, you know the defensive line sort of like controlling the line of scrimmage and being in cars face only happened for a little bit. So like you said it was surprising but I'm not going to say the defensive line was disappointing her had a bad game because uh least this might be the only time Josh Jacobs has ever been shut out. I know this year maybe even for you know, sort of like his entire very early career, but again off, you know, the the run defense stood up and stood out and what about McClendon man? Yeah Pro Bowl and wants to send the entire book in your squad to the Pro Bowl this year long. Defense and most people send the number one Wok. All right, Gia Vegas you got anything else for us where you let you go. We got some other people lining up here brother it easy Robux go box go box. Thanks for calling. Yeah man, it's Vegas. He's one of those we talked to all the time. It seems life out there on on the twitterverse and and in various places out there. Let's see a red. Let's go over to our video chat our good friend. Big Fudge is waiting to talk to us Big Fudge. What's going on pal? Oh, he's dancing bamboo. You guys doing tonight? Great good. Yeah, I mean, you know putting a scripted it any better. Nope. I was a little worried about how the fan base the boss featherweight fans or the Wayward fans would be when it came out 2024 white last week. You just sit back you might Brady do his thing. He was for the most part surgical this entire game. Oh God. It was the person he threw like your other car said I want to say them to who were beautiful. I would have I would have passed babies with those passes. I don't I don't know how many times Mark Schlereth said on the call today man. People talk about how old Brady is look at it. Look at him throwing these dimes like let that's a that's a rocket like he's putting spin on that ball. What what are people talking about? Brady's loss? Like he probably said it three or four or five times throughout the course of the game and I am starting to understand the obsession that Patriots fans have with Tom Brady. It's it's only been like what seven a game right now. I'm like, maybe I can sneak into his house and meet him. Maybe he'll go into my house accidentally one day. I'll meet him that way. Well bring you want to lock of his hair. So, you know, hopefully I don't see you guys on that news because she's broken the fiber to the house, but what we did for him and he got everybody involved even though it might be able didn't go off a few hundred yards like everybody expected off. I mean this office is very well-rounded. Even though the Renegades A little sluggish. They still got the job done. Yeah easily. Yeah easily. Exactly. No Run game know like a little early but not worth, you know, you would expect when you see a score like that. You would expect to run game to you know, at least be you know, get a hundred yards, you know combined total. Yeah, but yeah, you know Row Joe was put under fifty. I don't know the running game was 85 yards total Row Joe Leonard. Fournette was at fifty Rodeo was only a 34 and Tom Brady had one. So, yeah, she counts. Yeah. So I mean, yeah, like you said it it's weird being a bucks fan and you have to come up with these new things to talk about after the game wage give you Joy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was just you know, it was nice to see a also Tyler Johnson get his second touchdown. Second in a row, but that was a really good catch. That was a contested catch he had to fight for that and and he did a little disappointing cuz you know, let's bring that up that the wide receiver screen game, which is normally be good, especially when they throw it to Godwin Oakland seemed ready for that and had that manned up and I didn't like when we when everyone sort of felt like the game started to go back to age Oakland's way basically early in the third quarter. We quit attacking the middle of the field which we did early and that's kind of what what what got us back into it was taxing them with Gronk and Scotty and Chris. They kind of went away from that now maybe Gronk was you know, a little injured get beat up a little bit and he's like kind of just blocked for the rest of the game, you know, so, that's why I came here. That's why I came here. But again, I mean it's 45 points. So what like like what what am I? What am I even talking about? You have a complaint about 45 points beautiful game headed home. Turn over a few ridiculous penalties, but that was all on a defense like this. This was a game that a winning team should play and bugs are becoming a winning team like hombre and these areas are comfortable as up and realizing that you just can't be you can't be crowns on a field you can be tough, but you don't have to head but a guy and now you gotta unnecessary roughness right wage that broke my heart. Yeah everywhere. Yeah, and also like what Cory said when he came on is like learning to win after another big win, it's bringing together big wins in a row. Like I don't I can't even remember the last time that happened. Yeah, and even if it's ever happened, yeah, and I mean this is so this is the third time this particular topic is come up like in a row with with various top colors. One of the things I always say is particularly if you have a a good game now, I need to see the next game. I need to see how you respond like great. You had a good game. Can you keep it up? Can you keep it rolling? Well, did anybody watch the Packers game today my God. Actors were on fire in this the team we held the ten points last week and put up 38 on them. You know, like a sure everybody has an off-day beat the cheese and came off a bite to play us. Right and we held them to 20 while hanging 45 on them all offensive offensive points. Yeah. It was a big game in another thing I want to say is Devon white. It seemed like every time they hyperball he was shot directly out of a cannon. Yeah, there are like it was Unreal how fast he was getting there. I don't I remember going to tell a story it was when the the first time the loose canons when they they they showed up at that practice last year and they had sort of their their their little party at a training camp practice page and Devon White had been sort of like struggling and you know, they kept talking about I'm talking about but you didn't see it and I was sitting there and I'm sitting in between stank Poppy and Samer and they did a pig. Check out to Da Ray and Devon white did what he did last week and you saw him to this week, but that that very first play of the game last week where he shot the Gap, you know, he went from off the screen off through the mass of humanity and was on top of the running back for the running back and even get his arm up to defend himself and that's what he did ra and sank looked at me and I looked at him and we just kind of were like home. Like what was that like he is so fast going straight ahead necessary but going forward but you know, it's he's a blur on the screen. The only reason I know it's him. It's because no one else can move that fast know what I mean right guys on the ground and I'm like, well, it's Gotta Be Devon and then like the camera focuses and it's like okay, or maybe it's my old office. Okay? Okay. Well, yeah, he he literally is a blur he comes from off the screen and the guys on the ground before he can even react and it's amazing. To watch and he did it a couple of times today. I'm glad and him and they'd better get this year. They have to like his entire career. It's just unfair to be on a down payment recognize Lavonte David belongs as the fifth face on Mount Rushmore. Yeah. I mean when people start talking about who's your favorite book of all time Leroy said she was going to come up Derrick Brooks is going to come up Warren Sapp's going to come up and in in the last decade Lavonte David's got to be the number one name that comes up not anyone else and I'm not going to name them but no one else has got to be Lavonte David for anyone who's a right thinking fan. You may have a personal preference of somebody else, but when it comes to the impact on this team and what they've been able to do consistently time and time again, it's off Lavon to David. All right, go big fight you got anything else for us mail. We got a couple of people want to jump in and let them boil in. Just want to say good game. You guys are the greatest. Thanks very much. We'll talk to you next week. All right, thanks wage. All right, ran good stuff good stuff. All around phone line is open if anybody wants to call in 8647 to 9 bucks. That's 864-729-2827 and just like that rent. We've got another caller you are on the line with Brent and rent for the pewter cast live. Hello. Yes. Hello. You're on hi. I would just like to say they watch me back to the past few weeks. Now. My name is Maya and I really enjoy you guys this constant James smiley smiley welcome appreciate that. So you're welcome overall. Pretty much love watching the game. I like that we didn't but I forgot the gas when we kept going scoring and then I'd be distressing, but the only thing I can nitpick is John merski bunting. I don't know what they all really but I'm just like dude. What are you doing? Like, I don't know. I don't know if he's still I seen a couple of people say that song. They think that it's his injury. Yeah, but I just I don't know. Yeah, I'm a little worried about it because I'm with now I'm with you like, you know, he's not necessary a liability right now. He looks like a huge liability, but that's because everyone else is so good. So he's exactly like this huge overall NFL defensive liability and we started talking last week about is it time for Dean to take over the starting outside spot? Yes, just bring SMB in a nickel. Yes. Think about this now. I think I never I didn't hear me. I'm sorry. I never got that. Like I always thought that Dean would be like the perfect fit for Carlton for them to be like the12 and Sean be in the spots. I think they did that course the end of last month and then they slipped and it's like I don't really see why they do that, but I'm with you my I've been stumbling for this since last year. I don't I don't understand. I'm all for Thursday. It's Davis and Dean and Shawn Murphy venting comes down to the nickel. I don't understand why it's any other way. I just don't know here. It is here in the morning. Okay, here's here's my brainstorm. Okay, this is my Galaxy brain. Okay Dean & Davis start on the outside when we go to Nickel put Winfield in nickel and put Edwards at safety. Sure. I don't know why Whitehead place over Edwards because to me why has his little bit more slower and he's very good against the wrong, but he doesn't have any type of ball skills come to defending the past but they're not that from what I've seen you nailed it right on the head. It's cuz Jordan Whitehead can set the edge against the run and he's really good at it. And there has been a press conference not too recent not too long ago when it was brought up about, you know, Mike Edwards like why isn't my kid was playing how come you can't you know, this isn't verbatim, but while come home Beat out Whitehead and the defensive back coach just said cuz he can't tackle. And so if he can if he can tackle better and it could set the edge like Whitehead can in the Run obviously to this to Todd bulb in this coaching staff that that's more important than willing to give up the ball Hawk skills that Whitehead mrs. And Edwards has so if Edwards could, you know clean up his tackling home, you know, then I think we had whiteheads the adma odd man out and you're right, you know, he's he's not good in coverage. Let's just say like, you know, we love our team. They're all good players, like like Devin white can't cover like Whitehead can come here. And so you know what I like about this conversation though. Do you remember like the last several years? We've always been praising George ahead as the best safety on the team. Like we love to be loved. We love Dad was now we have safeties who are better like we have upgraded and it's taken this guy who's been our best safety and made us kind of go see really dead. Is really like like that's I mean conversation all over right? Like I I like the fact that the team is is making those moves and and moving up and and hopefully something happens with Edwards where he starts tackling because I think he definitely has better ball skills than white head, you know, just if that's the thing you have to get can't decide a good can't two so far. So it was like all right, but then it was like because like you said for the past year since Jordan one has been pretty good and you seen him. This is like, I believe when he was a rookie. He was pretty much guarding the job pretty well and then like last year and this year. He just hasn't it hasn't been the same. So then it's like well, I mean, I don't know but I just hope that you know, this continues I'll take it good off for the defense performance with them with them. It's something that we've needed for like a long time through the Mike Mike Smith decent wage. This nasty sense and to finally see it. Oh my I'm so sorry. That's my fault. I was actually trying to get rid of the beep at my if you're out there listening. I just dropped you that that is my fault cuz I was trying to get rid of that that keeps saying my if you're listening, please call me back and we will get you back on in in her head call. That was a great calm. I thank you so much. And I you know what? She knows what she's looking at. Is she absolutely does. She absolutely I love that. She brought up the the Whitehead thing. She could replace the camper on I respond. We'll see if we can't get them back in here and get her on on the show. My my associate re about that. That was my fault. I apologize for that. It's okay. It's okay. I thought it was my phone number put your game. But yeah, but see this this see that we have the actual offense and defense and that we're not the laughing stock of the NFL. It's certainly made my Sunday's much more better and I wage. Wake up in the morning and half smile on my face, but outside to the grocery store be proud of it. Exactly and I don't have to hear you know, when a young people there's nothing here that but I would also like to say, I don't know if you got sick this up, but Parnell Motley. Yeah. Okay, ma'am. We've we've heard about Parnell Motley Crue Rock camp and then it was like last week he went to 49 right and so I was like, why would you do this and them and I said, but okay. Well, hopefully we'll be able to get him back. And then this game when David went down I did get a little, you know worried because now if you're going to put up being on the number one and then Samba working on number two, but you're providing wasn't doing that good and then but then they put Winfield third I would rather have if they kept firing them. On the team, I would rather have Parnell Molly even though I know they went through this because obviously he'd rather. I'm sorry my you'd rather have Motley over who Fancy by Iggy. Okay. Yeah. She's right and then don't don't put Ryan Smith on the field. Keep them on special mean. Yeah. I did. I did see Ryan Smith out there today. It was right after the kickoff and one of the one of the who's that team wage paid the Raiders one of the Raiders came up and they they like roughed up Jaden mentions a little bit off of the kickoff and like Smith went over and like punch the guy like to get him out of out of his face as the only time I've seen A Smith in seven games as the only thought I barely seen him on the bench. I think he just hangs out in the locker room and then they come get him when it's time for special teams. And he goes back in the locker room May. Yeah, you know Motley was was people that follow that that kind of stuff was obviously you do, you know it hurt when he left, you know, like he was sort of like the next Thursday. It kind of like we were you know, everybody was hoping like oh good somebody I can get in front of Ryan Smith 3rd, but then like you said and and here's the thing. I don't I don't think might leave ever been active. But but when one of the I don't remember who went down I think bunting went down. Yeah cuz he went down as he pulled his groin and that's the injury everyone's talking about that he dead maybe it's not all the way back from yet. They did what they did today, which was put Winfield down in the slot. So, you know, even if he was on the team, I don't think your wish would come true and I'm okay with the way. I'm okay with Winfield in the slot and Dean & Davis on the outside, but I would really like to see the 49ers try to walk squeeze Motley through waivers. And you know, I think next week will be eligible cuz you have to play three weeks. Once you're picked up you gotta play on the Fisher through you have to be active on the 53-man roster for three weeks. We're off. Active but just be on it. So, you know next week. I really like to see them back especially next year's training camp and it's so crazy because if you look at like his college career off and then you've seen the receiver see what else again and then he goes undrafted and then he falls into our lap. That's just like everything else was going right and then you know, it's just like, okay that's much more of an insurance policy because you know, if one of our quarterbacks goes down, we don't have to worry about Ryan Smith or some unknown rookie. We don't know but I mean I just I just hope he he does do this chance whether it's with us or another chain because that's ridiculous that he went undrafted to be honest with you like around or something like that. Yeah, he was he was dead was definitely on a draftable grade on a lot of guys boards. I hope he plays for us and plays for nobody no parent and you know win the lottery and then quit or play for us that goes off. Two options, but you know, it's it's I understand, you know, your frustration with Sean Murphy bunting but he's not playing as bad as as it looks just because everyone else has had a very top tier one level holding calls and it's just like like dude, freaked out like but it was just like he wasn't doing it like playing in the fog. He was doing it with a residency. That was much more my frustration like they see you you can't have enough but overall the one he didn't he didn't change the game. So can't really be right. Now you got anything else for us. We let you go. We got a couple of people lining up here. I know that's all but I appreciate you guys letting me on a mile. Let me let me give you what you call every week. We're going to let you on and get you back in here and I really do hope you call back cuz you're a fantastic collar. Yeah. Thanks for fine. Thanks. My appreciate it. Go box wage. Go box sports can bring us so much. 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I thought like some of the other colors said that they started off sluggish, but you know, I like that's going to be how this team is going to start a lot of games, you know, they're still new still getting sucked in but rent said earlier, you know, they scored on the first drive for like five games in a row, which is amazing. I log I'm really stoked on the team. I was just curious about Shaq Barrett. Yeah, he got that big penalty that took away that interception later on in the game. I really like ticky-tack penalty though Zach know it definitely was generally was yeah. I was just I was just more Curious on you know, his production hasn't been as you age because it was last year and I notice that they've been dropping in more in coverage and I'm curious if you guys had any thoughts on why that's happening Yeah. We actually think we talked about it. Do we talk about bucks Observer we talked with last week doesn't matter. Well one, here's what I have to say if you're upset about his penalty and I don't mean you specifically I mean you as in Bucks fans in general about him negating that interception from Edwards. I don't think their car throws that ball if he doesn't see bear it offsides. So so you know them, That but then again it also has penalty continue to drive and that's the time where they cut it to 7 so it ended up being costly no matter what but what I have to say about Barrett's production is good. It's it's cheaper for us. He's getting a real high pressure rate. He's been almost there. You know, he hasn't been this sort of like come all be all player. But if you remember, you know of his of all the facts he got last year. He got nine like in the first four games, right? So it came into his Gates. Yeah, he came out of the gauge that came in bunches early offer any kind of had the rest of your kind of like what he's had now, you know, he's the only had like, I think he had two against Denver and then he's been like at one here, maybe one there might only have three. I'm not really sure but off and you're right. They're dropping back in coverage. I know joked, you know when we talked about earlier was that, you know, Jason like talked to Todd Bowles and said, well, you know if you don't if you can log Tax season coverage so put him in coverage a lot and then his price goes down. But so, you know, I'm not the way the defense is playing right now. I like wage I don't it's something to talk about. You know, you're right but it's nothing I'm worried about. I'm just not I'm just I'm just not really worried about it. You know, I think the Buccaneers bring enough pressure every week two thousand have to worry about the reason they win or lose games. They're not to games they losing isn't because there's no pressure. You know, it's not like the other teams have all day to throw and if we could start losing games and yet lose more than one like there might be a game out there that we lose in the future and like it's like well we didn't get any pressure. Okay. Congratulations the other team he blocked us up if it happens twice, then you gotta start talking about it. Like we gotta do something. I think they will but I don't think it's going to happen twice. But yeah, since you know the games we do lose in the games that are close and it's dead. Not and it's not because we didn't get any pressure like David car didn't get it within 7, cuz there was no pressure on him. He got us within 7 because he had a long ball. Yeah. I I mean I'm not I'm not down on Shaq Barrett. I definitely want to keep them on the team. I'm just curious on you know, why what your guys's thoughts in the correction beings. Well was it makes a lot of sense? It would be hilarious. That's actually why they're dropping him and coverage right? I don't know what the salary caps going to be eating insects. Okay, we'll give you ten million a year. Yeah, that wouldn't be very very funny. But yeah, that's all I have for you guys. Thanks again for letting me call in appreciate it drains act. Thanks so much man will talk to you on a future week here of the pewter cast live. We got we got a lot of stuff going on throughout the week ma'am. We've got good stuff happening and I gotta tell you I get to hang out with her friends here at the puter cats live is absolutely I think my favorite show that we do cuz we just get to hang out down. New ways to hang out with the with us here at the puter cast especially during the games with you on Collide. Yeah. Most me on Cline. Yeah, Brett and I were in the chat room again with 51,000 closest friends and you know, like that's why I invited Corey her first caller or video chatter acting was because it really was it was a good time. Like I was blown away by the amount of people that showed up I was you know, I wasn't blown away as far as how the conversation went. But you know, no one called anybody dumb for their takes and and not even me and like nobody they you know about owning. I know right and nobody got on anybody. It was just a lot of agreement a lot of excitement in a little bit ten minutes of like, okay, like, you know, like all right, right within seven there was in seventh and then they scored that first touchdown everyone's like, okay good and then, you know almost immediately Winfield picked it and then it was just the celebration was on. Yeah. It was just it was it was a lot of fun and went and went off. It's better when it's good as I could have hoped for it was great. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks everybody. Yeah Clyde even even you know guys that funky spelling and he got it. Right right. Well l y d e it's on iOS which of course is Apple and got on Android and long as you have a Facebook account. It just links to it and you're in you scroll down look for your computer cast you have to have the Facebook page count. I don't remember when I logged in you do on Android Apple. I think you can sign in with I think I signed it on Google. Yeah, cuz that's usually Google or but yeah, but as far as Android you have to have a face but a very good friend. We got a month or we got somebody joining us you are on the line with Brent and rent for the pewter cast line. Who do we got here tonight? How's it going? Fellas long time listener first-time caller. Garrett New Orleans. What's up Jared from New Orleans? Hello Jake from New Orleans you poor bastard. I got a question to ask y'all. I got a question to ask is this not so much better than spending the entire after game show off. Arguing whether the loss was Jameis Winston's fault or not. Yes. No, you don't know. You know what it is. If I don't know that we ever really argued whether it was Jameis Winston's fault or not. What this is better than is worth having to figure out the okay, listen one or two plays and it would have gone the other way or you know, here's all the things that we actually did really really well in or you know, it's better than all of that because now we can sit down and go. Okay. We won the game right here the places we still need to improve but overall, here's all the good stuff and we can you know, look forward to Victory Monday tomorrow. All right, absolutely and so much better. I think I from what I from what I've listened it seems as if everybody is kind of at a loss for words. We're like a lot of us book fans are trying to like find I mean you're never going to have a perfect wind down here almost just scratching just to try and find something to blame to get, you know, we could have done better because that's just been such a habit the last couple of years, but guys, I the main reason I called was I would like to go on a job. For the record and apologize for all of the Mean Tweets that I had with regards to Donovan Smith. I have been his harshest critic and he is absolutely shut me out the page really really cuz I had a note where he had a really rough first a pretty decent second-half, but that first half was not good at least the first quarter. Anyway. Hey man, I commend you coming on and saying that wage. Yeah I'm going to say is like just give it a week. We'll see we'll see you'll be back there eventually and I don't want to I don't want to I don't want to poo poo song is parade because yeah, he didn't have a holding penalty. He didn't give up a sack. Okay? Well, that's what he's supposed to do. He might not have gotten at the sack but he gave I mean there were at least two at least two. He's very specific plays where he got blown up and then he just stood there and watched the guy like go hit Tom Brady. I met him in the sack, but it was definitely a hit or somebody like Drop trow Joe in the back, you know in the back for like a loss of two or three dead. Something like that coming off of Donovan Smith. It was it was you know, I tend to be a little more targeted in with with him these days. Yeah. Yeah and but you know again, I I'm with you and thank you for coming on and wanting to take all those back again. You might want to keep those receipts for later. So I said well, we'll talk to me about it though. Jared talk to me. So you're seeing good stuff out of a Donovan Smith. Tell me what the good stuff is because this is going to be a very I'm not going to call it a hot take but it's going to be very unique take because there's still a lot of people who are very very down on Donovan Smith. And I think that's fair. I think it's very nice. I think some of that is recency bias. I think for me I was at the point of beginning of the Season where I sawed the Donovan Smith was dead much of a black hole where like he could be the one that would cost us a win the playoffs and I think that like I said, we would want dead Every left tackle. I mean to be Walter Jones, but that's just not the reality of the NFL and the salary cap era. I think that's good for most offensive lineman. You just you want to forget and in much of this game, especially in the second half. I forgot that he existed that's not been the case the past couple of years. I mean it seemed as if every time we had a big play there's a hole in penalty on Donovan Smith or anytime we had just a second longer Donovan guy is getting just a free run of Jameis Winston. So I think that is a fair point that maybe a couple of weeks but you know what we're 5:00 and 2 so I'm all for unrealistic expectations from me too. Yeah, right. I'm just trying to protect my call and I'm just trying to protect you from your feelings. That's all from from when he breaks your heart because you know, I've been doing that dance with that guy for six years now, and I'm just officially over it off. I'm not if if he if he plays well good. I'm not going to mention it if he plays bad. I'm definitely going to mention it. I'll be honest like I think Donovan Smith played his way out of Tampa already. Yeah, I think that's understandable. I would you guys not say that fair that if we were to go into the offseason right now left tackle would probably be your number one concern. Yes, and we've discussed that Thursday and until here's the thing we've cuz this is this is a kind of an ongoing conversation. We've been having this year is is at what point can Donovan Smith turn the tide and and I guess in effect save his job does left tackle not become the number one or if not the number one at least the number to need in the off-season Iran who to use? What do you think is our number one need in the off-season? We'll see how long I think it's a need and I think it's going to be one of the big needs number one need. It can't be because you have a left tackle under contract who you know what you have, you know Dance with the Devil you got he's not the worst off. Until never be the best in the league so I get that but what if jpp doesn't come back or what if Sue doesn't come back or what if Barrett, you know, you don't franchise Barrett or your fuses to do the song that goes like keeps it's out of here or you don't franchise them and you can't get a deal done and he walks out the door, you know, you know, you gotta sort of look there so but yeah, it's a long as of right now, since you have a left tackle in your contract, you know, would you stop bringing logic into this conversation rent? Because that's actually a very good point. He is under contract we have him locked up. There is a bunch of other people we don't have under contract and we don't have locked up and if those guys go this position becomes less much less urgent a whole lot less than a famous Winston conversation all over again. Yes. It is Ben Smith. Yeah, but we're going to look to see what else is out there. Right and if we find if we upgrade with upgrade and you you know, and if not, we'll roll with them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah dead. That's a good point. That's a good point, but we'll see you know, and here's the thing. I really hope and I say this from the bottom of my heart. I really hope Donovan Smith turns us around between now and the end of the season. I don't know that there's much we can do he already has for Jared apparently, but I I don't know that he's going to get at least the majority of Bucks fans. And I you know, I don't have any special insight into what Bruce Arians or Jason life thinking but I think we've tended to we've come to know their thought process pretty well and I'm just not so sure that that he's going to get that so Jarod you got anything else for us for somebody that's it. You're doing a wonderful job go Bucks Jerry this your first time calling don't make it your last time. All right. All right when we got our last person who wants to come in and talk to us or good friend John Choi. We're in the white jersey John talk to us buddy. Hey guys, you know fun game show, you know defense defense and not the best game like some of the name. I would call out would be more refunding not the great game not a great game from him why he had got a blown coverage here and there and even even I'm I'm I'm not I don't know. I don't know. This is going to be a hot take but Lavonte David did not have a good game. This na didn't have his best game this this time around. He didn't have his best game in coverage Yeah. Well, yeah, that's why I seen it covers. He was not doing that good. Yeah, they made him turn and run and that's what he does way. He is now, what's our goal? He getting off becoming a strong suit anymore. Yeah. He's if you keep the like if he drops back end zone and the play like the crossers are in front of them are guys are coming to him. He's good. But if he's playing but if they match up on man and make him turn his hips and and head towards the goal line. It's not as best. I thought early it was it was very noticeable and I was like, oh God, you know it wage. After the Raiders scored their touchdown and then we're driving to get their field goal. I'm like, okay like they're going to attack they're going to make white and and Lavonte David turn and run but they didn't change, you know, the offense sort of came alive. And that was that but you know, I thought his coverage was about as good as could be against war on the touchdown. You know, he almost got the ball. I mean that took off being them on that one play though Ogle or just beat them. Yeah, but but then yeah, but that's Aguilar, you know, I mean, that's that's that's a fast wide receiver on him. Like that's where you that's where the ball goes in a good throw. I mean, he's not he's not Carlton Davis so play beta and utilize Alkali like that in Philadelphia so weird. Yeah, right I'm with you on that but who played off to pick glacial that takes it also finally finally on the scoresheet bar pic? Ya Hall of Fame career Pace. Oh, yeah Defensive Rookie of the Year future Ring of Honor. Antoine Winfield Jr. So but on offense still not bad. I liked I liked it. Expecially, you know Tom played. Well, you know, you know at the beginning, you know, it was a little slow and methodical but she picked it up. He started picking it up and I was great, you know, and especially that touchdown D at the end of the half to Miller was was beautiful. That was let me let me let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. Go back to the conversation run an hour. We're having earlier about are the Bucs just are we starting to come off to like slow starts? And then we pick it up later or like what's the deal? You know when you were talking about earlier, you know, I'm not talking about earlier about how the scripted plays like. Once once the Raiders got past the scripted plays like they just had nothing for the defense. Right? Is it possible that there's something to that with them like they come out and they have their first scripted plays and those like they're just not feeling there's just not a rhythm but then once they get off of those and they're actually moving in the flow and ebb of the game and it's not so easy. Scripted that that's when they're actually playing they're better ball when Brandon can make make his decisions more himself, right? And it's not just formulated of here's what we're doing for the first fourteen plays or so right off like how he was back in New England to where it's like he, he started off slow and then he picked it up later in the games. Like any figured out the defense, you know, when they figured out the defense more that's when he really started to think long and I think that's what it is. Maybe it is scripted a script a place to figure out what Ethan they're doing figure out what they're doing. And then once they figure it out, then they can hone in and attack. Yeah, that's something and like did want to bring up was that even though it looks like the defense is struggling. It's a scripted plays Todd Bowles like makes an adjustment and he makes a quick bath like we used to drive me so crazy about the cutter years was they they would wait till half-time to try to make an adjustment. I might five six minutes probably closer to ten in real time off. On the bench like make them then like you only get three minutes at halftime first, you gotta run and run out and warm up. So it's about the same time but you can do it there and I you know, we it was reported widely. How after the Packers got up ten. Nothing Bowl gathering around it says looked like he's good but make him earn it like make him any respect like get after him and make him burn you, you know, like in baseball make the guy make the throw make the guy make the shot and that's what they did with Aaron Rodgers and once they did that, you know, he couldn't so. All right Johnny Cochrane else for his buddy. Yeah, I gotta say though. Not a bad game from the line, you know, not as good as markers, but hey, you know really any penalties else. Oh that was awful. Nice. Y'all know know she'll she'll that's that's pretty good. It's so not as good at the Green Bay game, but, you know pretty clean these last two games. Hopefully, I know this is not sustainable, but hopefully at a level like this song No, yeah, hopefully hopefully we can keep out this somewhat this level. Yeah, the Raiders aren't getting a lot of pressure not getting a lot of sacks. But but like you said no penalties. No sex like what else what else? Can you ask them? You know, you know fall if all they do is say to Tom Brady you like a couple like one or twice to get one or two times a game. I'll take you know, not the greatest but hey doll. Yeah, it's better than breaking them in half so long. John, we're going to go ahead and jump out of here. And let's do what apparently gets you twelve million dollars to play left tackle. Right? Right. So John, thanks so much. We'll talk to you next week. Okay, buddy. Thanks John. All right bunking go race track you go. Yeah go raise they are on right now and I'm not going to vote for anybody out there. If you guys want to go watch the game. We I know certainly a lot of our viewers have gone over to watching the the World Series off Ren with that. We have reached that part of our show where it is time to pay homage do I know I said I said tourism skulls. There you go. It's time to pay homage swords and school. Lots of you guys have already been dropping those over in the chat room will look at those here in just a moment. But Ren I'll put it to you. Who is your sword? Who is your skull just a reminder? The sword is the Goodwin the skull the not-so-good one. This is often we talked about when we had, you know, Ralph and and Molly on from bucks Observer and give it to him even though it feels like it's cheating but he deserved it, you know a couple of people came in here and said they want to make love to his pass. Yeah. Tom Brady have their babies have the passes baby have the past and had the balls babies gross. That's yeah. That's how it works. You see when a dash. Okay. Go ahead. Thank you. Yeah, it's Tom Brady. It's the sword man. He was lights out. You know, he was he was throwing darts lasers, whatever you want to call it. So smooth off so in control and you know, no worries in the world and you look up and you're you win by twenty-five. Yeah. Yeah when needed without breaking a sweat literally literally wage. Yeah, I I've been showering, you know rent I have this thing about when I go out to eat. I don't like ordering what somebody else at the table has ordered. Right and that extends to when we're talking about our swords in school. I don't like piggybacking off of somebody else in picking the same pick that they did but today I have to because I'm with you for everything that you just said when you're talking about who is the MVP of the game when you talk about who is the guy it's Tom Brady hands down across the board. Devin White had a great game, you know, you could point to Antoine Winfield, although I don't think that that I don't think his interception changed the course of a game like, you know beans did last week about doing yeah God when I mean Roadshow didn't really he didn't really get it going for net was there for you know, he was the better back today. We picked up a really big farm down, right but both paths, right, but when you talk about the guy, who is it over the course of the entire game? Yeah. Yeah, it's Tom Brady today Smith. I'm sorry. Oh, it is Tom Brady today. How long Ver I am interested. Who is your skull it would have been I got to be honest. It would have been Donovan Smith for me earlier in the game, but it's not anymore. Who is your skull though? I don't know like I think the bit harsh to give to Sean Murphy same thing. I do anything. Can I give it to Ryan Smith just because I hated account so much give it to Parnell Motley. Okay, I'm going to play today. If you didn't leave it screw the extra 70 grand you've already made and two weeks. Gosh, you know how long I'm going to give it. No, I can't do that. It's not fair. I got to give Tess MB. I just can't think anybody else. I really can't I was going to give it to whoever made the decision to put for Annette and I'm still not let Roadshow run. But yeah, if that's MB and I don't think he played terrible. He just didn't play lights out like everybody else did right? Yeah. Yep. Once again, there's no one left know. I mean, that's that's that's when you when you sit back and you go. Okay, who is it? I think I could make a legitimate case for Donovan Smith in the first half right? I absolutely do but I can't do it because of the second. Have you had a great second-half and I gotta tell you I will tell you where I Vault where I am impressed and Donovan Smith almost every time he does it is when he goes out for those tunnel screens. Yeah, you know, like he I mean he gets out there and start. Yeah, you know when he gets runny her he can run block. Well, he really can talk his spotty. Yeah, but when he gets the pole wage unblock, huh? He's a local mode. There was one last week where he pulled he went out to the other side. He went off of it. He like went up like between Alex and between Kappa and and worse. Yeah, I'd almost prefer to him. Like, I'm on a first-name basis with the guys. I'm not you know, like yeah without Alan Tristan Lex and Tristan. So anyway, but yeah like you went off that way and and I think you broke bro Joe for app. To pop so yeah, I twice failed the guy twice. I like everyone was showing that clip and he held the guy twice right right with that you called and it was a good job of being great block, right? Let's see here. All right. Let's see our people over in the chat are pretty much agreeing with us Brady in the sword in the skull is SMB question mark man, that's kind of exactly what you've been saying. Once again SMB show a little bit of Devon white love from Big Fudge over there for the sword which we can't can't necessarily disagree. There is another Devon white somebody given God when it's all floors a given God when the sword would still SMG. I think he means us and be going over there straight. Oh wait. No, it's not Shady McCoy know let's see here. Villeneuve. A Villanova is given the sword to McClendon. I like it. Yeah. There you go. There you go. I don't know that I can say that he's got it for the whole game, but it was nice to see him out there man wage. I thought he played really well. He did he did it was it was the practice till Thursday. Right? Right. Let's see here. Daniel says the sword goes to Brady but the school goes to nobody and defending your point in just for the record Daniel posted this he I'm sorry for the audio people out there says skull nobody SMB was not good, but he was not terrible and did not lose us the game. He posted that like 20 minutes ago home. So anyway, let's hear there are more. There's sort going to Edwards and David I would love to have you defend that cuz I'm not quite sure I'd agree. He's the sword but it's it's an interesting pic. We got another waiting rated. Okay. There you go skull going to S&B again. So we're going to Scotty Miller. Yeah, I like that. I like that. So I think that's page as far as I apologize if I didn't so here's a couple more sword going to Scotty Miller or scooter dimes Joel. I gotta tell you his name is Booty scooty and Judy Miller Miller and scroll over to Summer. There you go over says it first wins. There you go. No scooty scooty times. I once again Daniel says Brady nobody so that's going to do it for us for today. I'd like to say thank you to everybody who joined our lives in the chatroom whether you're at YouTube Twitter Facebook Periscope whether joining us live on the audio podcast later or maybe you're watching the video feed the replay of this month later. Hello to wherever you guys are. You guys are awesome and Hey listen will be right back here next week Monday night cuz the Tampa Bay Buccaneers unless things get Flexsteel are going to be back playing Monday night playing the Giants and what I'll call for me. This is going to be a bit of a Revenge game ran I gotta tell you a little bit. 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47 - Daniel Kuney, General Manager

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47 - Daniel Kuney, General Manager

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Kgan theatrical broadway and off broadway and touring general manager and company and since the pandemic have also started tengo dot com which is a video streaming platform for theater artists and those looking to hire theater artists. I'd love to look at the role of general manager. Could you walk us through. The timeline of how gentlemen injuries introduced to a project and how your role kind of moves through out on the life of the show. Yes sure so. In general your general manager is going to be one of the very first hires you make on a show. So if you're a commercial producer and you option the rights to show. You probably have a lawyer at that point to help you Go through the legal paperwork. Optioning the shell but then you actually need to figure out what's your business model and that's what the general manager comes comes in so we know me come on very early on the process and we help the the first exercise we do. Is we do a budget for the show. How much is it going to cost him out. The show is it a broadway. Show off broadway show or tour. Musical is the play. What are the specifics of that production. You know how big the cast are there. Any stars in a cast. How big do you want the physical production to be. So we helped the producers figure out how much the show is gonna cost how much they're going to need to raise from their investors because we're commercial. I'm a commercial general manager. So we work every one of our shows is essentially a startup. And we're helping. The producers create the startup and craft it from the very beginning. We have so many questions about all those little specific things that you just mentioned are part of the process. I'm wondering how do you get hired as a general manager. How do you form those relationships with producers and what is that process like of sitting down with the producer and explaining how you are going to efficiently run their production for them such a great question. You know like everything else. I think it's largely networking. it's experience it's your credit but yeah you've got a sort of take you know. Do the do the shell get out there and bite people out to coffee. I don't know if that's the thing we still do these days but you know take the meetings get in front of people I've certainly you know when i was my business. I think i was mostly taking people out and coffee dates or meeting them in their office and introducing myself now more or less prepaid before the shutdown we'd started started to get to the point where it was. We had a record at that point. We had success. You know we had managed heather's and rock of ages and slava's snow show So people came to us because of our specific experience. puffs being one of them. You know we've kept a lot of broadway shows for a very long time. It's very hard to make an off broadway. Show work so i think to some extent. We were getting the reputation as as the firm that knew how to do that. But there was a reputation it was about the networking. What did your team look like in the beginning when you first started your company. And how did you figure out when it was right to bring on more people to your team so that you could efficiently. Run the office and and these productions. I love these questions because what you're really driving at here. Is that building. Any business is to start up right. And so we're we're balancing cash flow and money coming in and you know when you're going to be ready to build up your office so i love these kinds of conversations because it's not just about theater it's really about. You could be creating an app and dealing with the same pain points. I think what's interesting. For where i was in the business. You know my firm was a startup for a while until we weren't and then my firm helps other start-up startup so was very meta. How are you looking to diversify your client roster. What i always tell potential clients when they're choosing general manager and i think the same works in reverse when the general manager is deciding whether to take on a certain client is doesn't matter general manager you hire for all pretty competent. We're all gonna come to pretty much the same budget. The contracts are all going to look pretty much the same. There's so much that standard. We'd like to think every time we direct or do a new director contract. We're reinventing the wheel and you know that a couple of loyalty points here. They are that one manager is going to do better than the other. It's all going to land in roughly the same place. It's really about who you wanna work with at the end of the day And especially things we're all reevaluating. Our lives during the shutdown. I think we're all sort of thinking you know. Who is the person. I want by my side. Who are the clients. We wanna take on And the same is true for the people who want to hire us i. The person is my staff the people that you want to guide you and it's just about fit at the end of the day speaking of staff. So when did i many. How many back to mike. How many people do you have working for you. And when did you feel. It was right to build your team. Yeah you know. There's that expression that circulates around startup culture higher when it hurts. I think that's pretty apt. I always hired right before. I was fully comfortable hiring. I could sort of see that we were all getting a little bogged down You know look the. The company started in my apartment on the upper west side living room. We slowly built out the team as we were getting more clients. As i could tell that you know somebody on the staff was getting overworked or needed a little bit more relief or interestingly if somebody had a skill set that i thought you know that's something that this person should really focus on making up a little bit. You know accounting. This person can really walk our clients through the accounting side of the work. This person's really good at budgeting. This person was really good at contracting and negotiations But yeah i mean we had. I think about twelve to fifteen people depending on how you're counting right before the shutdown now. We're we're a little bit all disbursed sort of waiting for the world to come back on but yeah when it from my living room to full staff in times square so then when you when you do get hired for a production what are the next steps in building budget so i always like to say that some people come to us with a budget number in mind and some people come to us with the vision for the production. I and so a budget can actually start in one of those two places but a kind of has to start from one of the. So what do i mean by that. Let's say you you want to produce. Titanic the musical on broadway and you come into manual. Like i daniel. I wanted to titanic. It's got a star denzel washington. Tom cruise viola davis. And i want the ship to sink in five hundred gallons of water. Eight times a week. That's the vision right. That's a pretty clear vision. I'm like all right like a list. Hollywood talent you know their fifty thousand dollars a week plus a piece of the back end. Five hundred gallons of water on a broadway stage. That's a very expensive trick. Plus a lot of insurance. I can take vision and put a number to it or someone can come to me and say daniel. I'm so passionate about titanic. I've got to tell the story broadway. I got ten million. What can i do for ten million. And i can also back into it like that. I'm like all right. You know you're probably not hiring denzel not going to happen. There's probably not a water effect but maybe there's a projection of a ship sinking. And so i can help producer take a cost and a passion for something and find the vision and the path forward for it. The thing that tends to happen when we do a budget. And i'm sure this is if you want to remodel your home or redo your kitchen it's always more expensive than people wanted to be the numbers. And you're like that is that's crazy. Props very contentious topic of conversation between designers general managers and producers and. I think there's the sense that should be pretty cheap right. Oh it's just make it up. You know a water bottle. Like i can send an intern down to you. Know some dollar store and buy the water bottle but chances are the water bottle ask actually has to function in a certain way eight times a week it has to have some sort of stamina to it it may need actual water and it may need a certain amount of heft in. It may be there dancing with the water bottle very quickly. You need an artisan to come in. And if not craft new water bottle you know. Make that water bottle. Perform the way it needs to perform in the show and that artisan is a real human being who has spent time. Crafting the art of props making and you know. Maybe not only do you need the human artisan to make that prop but that one prop is going to last times a week. You may think it's gonna last but it may not last eight times a week. You know something that we do hear a lot is you know. Why can't we just get an intern for this. Why can't we just hire some on at nyu to to make this. And you can't at the end of the day like it is a skill and you know when you're working in commercial theatre you have to pay for that skill. The audience won't forgive you. If if you don't and especially first time producers who i love to work with are very shocked at the cost of budgets and how much it actually costs and one thing. I always say to them. You know you can do a show for fifty thousand dollars. I don't know how to do that. Show it is possible. We know college students all across the country are doing it. Every single weekend pre pandemic. That is a feasability. But it's because they're willing to construct the costumes in their bathroom. They are willing to rave their closets. And that's fantastic. But if you option the right to do a show off broadway you're not gonna have that kind of buying. You know these are people. You're hiring your staff their employees. You have to treat them with respect so people say like like i know shows. Ken cost fifty. Yes they can cost. You can do a show rent a theater rent a space and do fifty thousand dollars next weekend. It's not an off broadway show. It's not a broadway show. Okay so on the same topic of budget. So on gems website you say that katie. I'm helps clients crete award winning theatrical productions. That are both financially profitable and artistically groundbreaking. So i'm wondering if there are any secrets. I guess to creating a budgets that the show is in the black and embry coupes. Yeah i think the secret is listening to the creative team you know. What's great about our process is that you have a creative team. Who comes the. They're passionate about executing something in a certain way but at the same time they want the show to run and when you can really engage everybody in the process i think. Sometimes there's this misconception that its management against the creator team. Oh it's the management there. They're blocking us. They're not giving us the funds but when we worked together we can actually solve some really interesting problems. And then when you to a creative team and you say look you know we. We think we're gonna make you know. Five hundred thousand dollars a week. The show is currently coming in at six hundred thousand dollars a week. Let's fine the moments that are really important will on those and the moments that you know we would have been nice to have. Maybe we can call those back. Only all work together. We can create a financial products financially smart and well executed and artistically secured. I'm wondering if you can speak to the you know because everybody is always wondering when shows recoup and sometimes shows go public with their recruitment rates in some. Don't i do say that. The typical rate of recruitment on broadway for broadway musicals is twenty percent. I'm wondering if you could say the same for off broadway with your experience. I if i had to guess it's probably less off broadway. When i started in the business there were very successful. Off broadway shows in fact like people will go see commercial off broadway as i would sort of say a badge of pride like oh i. It's sort of like you might hear somebody say. Oh i don't watch. Hbo i watch pbs. Right i think that was sort of something people said. You know i'll i. I don't go see the musical. I see the latest x. Show off broadway. There replays that were profitable off-broadway. Once upon a time W- it was a commercial production or transfer to commercial production off broadway. How i learned to drive a commercial production off broadway. You see that less and less these days. So i do think there are less shows that recoup off broadway so of course you know. Once a show is closed there are still other ways that the producers can still make money off of it and of course the writers. I'm wondering are those conversations about you. Know if if the statistics are staggering as you suggest with not recouping their money off broadway of course a lot of times shows want to go to broadway for licensing to regional theaters all that kind of stuff. Are those conversations a part of that initial production. Are you involved in those conversations in any way in to figure out a budget for that kind of thing as well to take all those things into consideration so that you know funds are still available for x y and z down the road a so much to unpack their the the short answer is we don't budget for the future. The money is so tight when a producer goes out to raise funds the raising money for an llc that has a very limited scope of what else is telling their investors. They're going to take on. We are going to raise money for an off broadway show in new york city. It tends not to be and gets a lot murkier. And i have only seen it done in a unique circumstances but it gets very hard to take someone's money and say look we're going to raise two million dollars we're gonna spend one point five on the off broadway production and then we're going to have five hundred thousand leftover for you know a cincinnati production if it feels i mean to stick with your original quote of being a startup. It feels very much on brain with that like when you would raise capital for startup or when you're raising or you're trying to get investors for an idea. You're really sticking with the foundation. You're not you're not thinking of like any kind of future. Potential franchises exact in for the most part the way we structure the llc's that run commercial theaters. That each show is its own llc. So if you are a big broadway show and you're very successful when you go out on multiple tours. It's very likely that each tour is its own. Llc or if they're gonna do it you know sometimes maybe the tours roughly the same so they capitalize that tour on their one llc but almost production is its own business that has to be separately. Funded in separately sustainable. That's so interesting I mean just a follow up question in. I don't know if you've been involved in any capacity to this sense. You talk about national tours. That are is there one general manager for all those tours or are they usually multiple general managers working for the umbrella company. You would try to have the same general manager. i mean. I've been working on rock of ages for close to ten years now and so we just have so much institutional knowledge of that show and what it needs to be successful. I hope that the producers would only wanna use us at this point moving onto negotiations so as a general manager. You're responsible for negotiating on behalf of the producers. So can you talk about the types of contracts that you're typically negotiating throughout the of a show and who you're negotiating with shore. So yes you said it right. I always like to tell people. An actor has an agent that negotiates on behalf of them. We negotiate on behalf of the producer. So i would say ninety five percent of the negotiations that we enter enter into our with the actors or the creatives representative agent. But you know everything is the deal right you know. We have to get lighting and sound into the theater. So we're negotiating with the vendors that supply equipment on a deal. We have to secure theater so where to go shooting with the theater owner on the terms of that deal. There's a merged company were negotiating. The terms of i mean as you can imagine with a start up nothing. Is there until we start making every single deal. How are you involved in. What are the differences in the way that you're involved versus the producers lawyers or how are you working with them. I should say oh. That's a great question so by-in-large the way you would structure negotiations on a broadway show. Is that the lawyer. The production council would do the initial contract for the author group. Because as we've sort of touched on this episode already. The authors contract is the forest. And what's in. That contract has repercussions for the investors. You know potentially forty years from now and so it's a very lengthy very complicated contract and that's something. Production council does general managers. Does we would handle most of the creative team. So you're designers we hire all we do. The contracts for all the performers A lot of the staffing backstage. It used to be general. Managers were the only ones touched. The director agreements but as directors are starting to get involved earlier in the process and in the writing of the show and taking on an authority will roll. I tend to do. Tend to do a lot of director agreements in tandem might take the lead on it but production council is very much involved director agreement so in the instance where the producer and the writer are kind of working on something together from you know from early stages is it. Typical that that they would bring a gm on at that pointer. Would they bring the gm on. I before anything really get started because you're dealing with contracts and dealing with rights in in that kind of thing. Yeah i mean like. I said we are typically the second higher on every shelf. Lift the production councils. I number two. And i always like to say the earlier the better because we have relationships with regional theaters. We have relationships with road houses. We can really help. Craft a plan about how the show gets to new york Which the shows that we get involved with. That's the end goal How do we get to new york. and so we also because we're talking to the theater owners and we have a sense of what's on their schedule. What's on their roster. What they're trying to program for we can help guide those conversations you know. We think next season is going to be an opening or next season. There's not going to be an opening but maybe we can try to go to chicago. I so the earlier the better we can really help make the most effective plan. Yeah we didn't even get into that but that's a good point of like you. There's only so many broadway houses. And there's only so many off broadway houses in new york. So if they're all filled up for this season and most of next season and the producer or the writer. Really wanna get the show out in the next x amount of months. Probably have to get really creative with their with your options. Because i'm even like the out of town tryout go to places you know. There's only a handful that are really popular. That people are gonna producers particularly will want to try to get to. I'm assuming yeah. I mean look you. You've touched on. I think one of the biggest. I'm hesitant to say the word issues but road moms with. Yeah with with with commercial theater. There are forty one. Broadway theaters and a lot of them are filled with shows. That are not leaving any time soon. Now depending on you know look. This is a commercial marketplace. So depending on where you fall and add equation. This is the best thing in the world or a systemic problem that is forcing a lot of voices down and needs to be solved before there should be a future of commercial theatre. What are your thoughts on that like. Where do you stand on that spectrum. Support for this podcast comes from cdw and lenovo at cdw. We get that a cyborg. Assistant won't make your employees more productive from home. Call me brian. I can vacuum your dog. That's great but it. Cdw weakened designer productivity solution with lenovo devices that offer fast reliable connectivity to help your people manage their workloads the right way human no for technology that move you forward trust lenovo and it orchestration by cdw people who get it learn more at cdw dot com slash lenovo client. This episode is brought to you by comcast because of covid nineteen internet. Traffic has spiked but comcast is prepared. They've created a powerful network with one simple purpose to keep customers connected since twenty seventeen comcast has invested twelve billion dollars to grow and evolve a smart reliable network and now with many of us working learning and entertaining at home their coverage has helped millions of people stay connected when they need it. Most learn more at comcast dot com slash network. I think there are voices that have stories to tell that are not getting the opportunity to tell those stories and it makes me sad for what gets on a broadway stage. Yeah i would agree with that and a lot of the show sorry. A lot of those theaters are also run by nonprofits to so they're automatically taken out of the equation so there's even less than forty one for a commercial production. Actually come in and try and make way for themselves and of course the long running hits. That are not going anywhere anytime soon. It's crazy to think that maybe there's only twenty between and look you know to be fair. You know the long running hits are great for the industry right. I mean people come to new york. They come to broadway. Because of the long running shows they have no ran on their trip. Yes exactly so. It's it's not totally binary. Oh let's get rid of the long running shows. But i think it is pretty clear. What's i think. Really wonderful right now. About the the reckoning that is happening a all over the country but you know in our industry as well is that we're really coming. We have to grapple with fact that there are people out there were stories. And they still can't get broadway buildings and that's a problem and we really have to figure out how to address that wondering what are some of the responsibilities you have as a general manager wants to show his opened. And how does that alter things and you know as you keep going with the show. That's long running. Especially like rock of ages has been out for quite a while. Yes so. I think. Go back to our startup metaphor. It's you know we are before. Production opens. We are trying to get a start up off the ground every single higher every single contract we have to staff up. We have to get ready. We have to build the sets bill. The costumes get it into the theater. Opened on a budget advertise the show market the show. And then once it's up and running it becomes. How do we maintain a business. Each week And from just a very simple way of looking at it. and i'm i am oversimplifying. You know how much money is coming in each week. Is that less or more than the amount that it cost to run the show and you know if more money is coming in than it costs to run the show your great but if not you have to take a step back and say all right if we're going to make a go of this. What do we have to adjust here. Sorry which would you say that you're spending less attention on the shows that have been running longer than than particular shows that are. You're just trying to get off the ground you know. Think about google the ultimate startup or apple right like they struggled for so long to figure out product market fit. They finally got there. I don't think those people at the top are resting for one second. You know at that point your urine operation and you go into problems of having money. I mean i'd rather have that problem that dot but you suddenly there's money on the table and so there's constantly things that you have to be asking. Hr decisions and something that. I think we all need to do a better job of you know we're so many of us. I came from a theater background. I think most people who get into management side come from an arts training background. We didn't really get trained to be. Hr people but we are managing lives. And so you suddenly become a corporation responsible. Human beings and that is an awesome responsibility. Awesome as in. You know there's a gravity there. There's a half there. And how do we make sure that the is being taken care of week after week and those questions get thorny are the bigger and more successful you get see when the pandemic i hit i remember or maybe it was. Maybe it was closer in the summer. Where i was like probably doesn't really have an hr department. But then i started thinking and you kind of set it to like. I guess it really is the gm also houses company managers. I mean there are probably some things that a company manager what it necessarily do that would be. Hr related but i'm assuming maybe the gm off the gm's would would all saks up to our desk. And i think there's a case to be made that maybe that's a mistake a fundamental flaw. How we've decided to staff commercial productions. I think that's a good debate to have. But yes i mean. When new york state came out with the wage protection laws about five or seven years ago that fell onto the offices to to implement thankfully the world started being aware of sexual harassment in the entertainment industry and the metoo movement the sexual harassment policies and implementing that and getting people to sign off on that and going through when there is an issue that also falls into the and now that covert is a thing figuring out how to protect everyone backstage to protect the audience. That's following on the gm office. A reasonable person might say that's too much you know we we need. There needs to be an office out. There that specializes in diversity and inclusion office. That handles more. hr stuff of us. As i said we're my training and college was singing and dancing and the meisner technique we're all adapting and we're trying to do the very best that we can but i think there's a case to be made there. We're not doing a good enough job. And that maybe separating some of these things from the gm office would be a good thing as we try to create a more fair and equitable workplace. Have you had any. I mean pre covid where you having or had you had any conversations around this idea with producers and you had to some extent yes but it's you know it's so hard to change the business model overnight and so you're going to have to be a big shift. Yeah it will. The reason why i was asking. I have a feeling that it probably will be more common in conversations with producers moving forward as we look to reopen. at least i hope so Maybe not with shows that are currently paused but with any kind of future in new productions that are in coming up the pipeline. One can only hope. I wanted to talk a little bit about how. Close the show. Because i mean there are definitely a standard questions or things that come to mind at least on my end for gm but something that i never really thought to ask a gm is is if there's any kind of protocol or as a budget keeper you know. I imagine that a closing notice is not something that is surprise to you right because you're in the in the budget almost every day. Your understanding where with the grosses are you know if you're in the blacker in the red and what that looks like and so how far. How far in advance are you aware that show has the potential to close and is there a long period of time where you have that information or is it. You know three weeks such a good question All right so let's put aside the question of the limited run right like you get a show julia roberts in the show for sixteen weeks like there's a closing date from the time there was an opening date. Put that aside for a second. Your your commercial production. You wanna be open ended. When do you know when you start to get that spidey sentence. I would say for me at this point. It's pretty early on the more difficult problem becomes and this is where the role of a general manager can be a little bit like a therapist. I'm sort of dispassionate. Third party here. I'm the hired gun. I have another show coming down the pike for a producer. This may have been the thing that they've been championing. For a decade they have investors a lot of money that is funding broadway and off broadway. Shows is very personal money. It's not vc money. It's not like there's this venture capital firm. That's funding all these shows. It's people's aunts and uncles and parents and college funds support for this podcast comes from paypal. Small business owners. Turn your smartphone into a cash register pay pal. Qr codes the safe and easy way to get paid in store and they deliver the same security and trust pay pal is known for online in person. Even if you're a cash only business with paypal. Qr codes you can accept credit or debit with everyday low fees. There's no additional hardware or software needed generate your unique qr code from the pay pal app and display it on your device or print it to display in store customers. Scan your code with their paypal up. You only need your smartphone. Learn more at pay pal dot com slash us slash qr code getting producers to a place where they can see that. The time has come is a very challenging thorny process that requires. Unfortunately someone who's dispassionate about. It requires a lot of patience and so i can see how that process michael's to try to get produce there as quickly as possible because again we have humans on the line right. If you post a closing notice with one week's notice something went wrong. You probably saw that coming. And i'm not saying there could be so many failures. There was it at the general manager. Couldn't get the producer to that. Place was the general manager not engaging with those hard conversations so much easier not to have hard conversations not to tell someone that their baby is not working the way they want it by whenever i see a closing notice with one week's notice there's a story there and it's generally not a good one. I love that answer just from my personal experience. I've seen a lot of company. Managers then grow to become general managers and then maybe not in that. Same trajectory but parallel. Even a lot of general manager is go on to become producers and so. I'm curious if the if if you've also seen that trend and then be is it because the they're they're working very closely with that with with those people that exposure in that education kind of a it makes sense to gradually move. Is there any reason why that tends to be the case. Where company managers go to t t to be gm's gm's go to be producers so many reasons. How much time do you all right. So let me try to budgets like head view If you want to be a commercial producer. I think there's no better job in the world for you than a company manager. You are literally cutting checks. You're seeing where every penny is going and you can really start to learn. Oh like this was a great. I'm glad that producer decided to spend ten thousand dollars a week on this. I can see that. That's helping in the box office. Or i can see that. The physical therapy is is keeping the cast happy backstage. I can see how the dollars and cents or having an impact on the show company manager. You've got a front row seat to that. Is the best seat in the house. So that's why. I think many company managers can become producers. Or if you want to be a producer. I think company managers a great position for you. I actually don't see a lot of company. Managers becoming general managers one. Most general managers are entrepreneurs. They're starting up their own shop. I if you guys ever watched the good wife. But i actually would watch that show a lot and it was about a chicago law firm and the partners were always breaking up with one another and starting new law firms and stealing clients and then making up five years later at brigham author clients back together and then breaking up again and i would watch did. That's a little bit of sort of what happens with some of the offices backstage on in new york You know you've got to sort of have some hustle in you. If you want to be a general manager gotta say all right. I'm going to be in charge of people's lives and their salaries and start my own business and not everyone has that in Another reason some people may graduate from company manager to associate general manager which is more of a a staff position than an equity position. You know look the company manager lifestyle hard especially on commercial theater your reporting to an office four to five days a week. You shouldn't be there. Forty hours most are and you're going to the theater four to eight depending if you're having assistant not some people don't you could be at the theater at night a times a week. That's a hard lifestyle. And i think you see a lot of people in their twenties. Who can pull it off. But they start to age out of that lifestyle. Pretty quickly very interesting. Because i remember there really aren't lake. Maybe i just wasn't looking at in the right place at the time but i just feel like there aren't even college programs. That are centered. I mean i guess it would be arts. Management arts admin will be that would be the closest And then from there you'd get internships was found that very fascinating that there wasn't like a man i guess it is management that i don't know but i know program but i don't know much about the I don't know much about their producing program so to pivot to ten glow changlo. I'm sure has been a big pivot in your career since the pandemic so many people are using that word pivot lately. Because everybody's got one now. At what point can you actually just explain. What ten glow is yes. Sure it's a total pandemic pivot had not thought about this a second before the shutdown but started to think about it in april. Or just sort of sensing. There's probably a need here to do something that is streaming and theatrical i. My wife gave birth to our our son in may so i was kind of taking some time off any around that time and when i came back surfaced early summer. A lot of people seem to be solving. That problem right like a lot of people also had that idea and we're executing on it and doing quite well but what. I also observed was that a lot of the streaming platforms if not all of the streaming platforms. That were created for theater. During that time there were still a 'gate-keeping process. Not just anybody could get their work on those platforms and partly. That was just a technological issue because i know the white label software that a lot of them are using because we looked at that and that same software for tango and essentially. They're great if you are trying to be a netflix for so and so if you're trying to be a netflix for the theatre which i think a lot of them are right there subscription platforms. You pay them seven ninety nine a month. They're figuring out the content on their their current content on their their procuring the rights to get the content on their Their netflix for theatre which is great. I'm so glad that exists But what if you're an emerging artists. What if you're a composer that hasn't got past a gatekeeper yet. That hasn't had their chance. You're probably not going to be on one of those platforms. We wanted to do something from technological level that was putting artists back in the driver seat. So our big manoa tangos a anyone anywhere in the world. Anytime of day can create a profile and upload their work and share it with the world We're trying to solve the the marketplace problem of theater right if you think of it as sort of buyers and sellers i know it's a bit of a crew term but go go with me for a second here. You have performers who are trying to get higher. You have composers who are trying to get their works options. Those are the those. Are the sellers trying to sell their town. Or what what they have. But then you have the buyers you have producers artistic directors litter agents casting directors who were trying to find those people can we aggregate that and all those people into one place. We have some curation over all that sir. Initial premise was built bringing the buyers and sellers of the commercial marketplace together. We've learned a lot in the last few months. I think we have some exciting new features coming. I think there's still a need for that marketplace. But i think there might be in need. That's greater than that to help. Artists get paid for their working. So that's sort of the next big problem that we're going to try to solve. Yeah it really sounds like you. Use the the netflix model as an example. But it really sounds like what. Ten low is more of like the youtube channel for for for theater for musical town because the artist has really in control of what they're putting out there on this platform and even to go further than that. It does seem that if you were to just go to youtube to look up. Something i mean. You're going to get so many insane. You just can't find the right search criteria for most things so it is nice to know that what you're going to be looking at on ten glow is While it's not curated it is still put up there by people with aspirations to do something with their work or who are looking for collaboration in some sense or it's definitely more like brand specific than just general search terms on youtube. Yes and that was the initial problem. We were trying to solve as someone who worked with producers who are trying to find new work. It is very hard to go to youtube and type in new musical right like that's a term that makes so much sense in our world but you feed that to youtube ad like you will get everything and it's just not to find a the work of composers that way. That was the initial problem that we were trying to solve it. I think we to something we. We solved that sort of well and will continue to work on that. But i think getting money into artists hands is sort of the next interesting problem to us so i'm always interested or i am. I have been increasingly more interested in these covid initiated projects of how you or how artists are going to take what they've done during the pandemic and either keep it going in in the same fashion that they've been able to keep it going during the pandemic or how they're going to transition or go back to their other jobs to they hadn't worked to pivot back to whatever pivot in a circle But i'm wondering how you see this Working in tandem with your general management skills and Office yeah i'm general manager. First and foremost. I mean i've spent my entire career building up to that. I love helping people produced their shows. I love trying to figure out the business challenge of how to make a commercial production successful. I've i grew up loving live theater live theater for me. Is just so magical. And the fact that i just happen to stumble into some business skills that can help make live theater. Sustainable makes me really happy. It gives me a lot of purpose in life. I'm never leaving that tengo. I love what tengo does as well. You know sometimes as general manager. I am the negotiator right. Like i am the person negotiating the contract and you know Fills me with a certain sense of pride to get a good deal. That works for everyone. But there's something. I'm finding very satisfying about the work of helping artists Get their work out there in the world with tengo And so i wrote a little bit about this on the side. But we are gulford. Hengelo is to zebra company. You know you talk about the unicorns. the uber's the google's that are really trying to gobble up all the money off the competition. But then there's these other companies. And i didn't coyness term But the zebra company. You know they're just profitable enough. They provide a good service in the world. They make money to pay the people who are working on it and that's good enough and if tango can be that if we can be a valuable place for theater artists and we can keep the lights on. That would be great. Still an open question you know hosting all these videos A lot of costs of bandwidth and servers We're hoping we can keep this going. We hope we're providing a valuable source service but We'll we'll see. Stay tune on that one. I love that zebra term. Yeah i've never heard of that before. Look it up. I want to give the correct attribution for it. But i'm just these four women who who wrote this article. I think it was on medium and i wish i knew their names offhand. Because they they should get the credit for that but google zebra company in. It'll come up buried. Do want to jump into the lightning round. Yeah let's do it okay. I need think fast. Don't think as as we're just. We just don't really respond. We probably should rephrase this little section. Essentially brian and i. It's not a conversation. It's more of us asking questions. And they're typically pretty direct questions they're not like philosophical or anything like that. Please get philosophical as you. Mary kicks off okay. This is my favorite question. What is one thing in the theater. Industry that confuses you i. Guess that's philosophic already see the is your general manager so my problem my my whole i. My business is set up helping people understand how theater works from a commercial point of view see. I'm already failing. Lightning rod flunk out. There's so much we talked a little bit about that before. We've got a mind a better way to treat all of the humans on broadway and i know there's a lot of questions we're grappling with right now but if we don't do it has to be our first priority as we all try to come back from cova. What are three adjectives that describe your ideal working environment. Quiet focused and calm an. Is there something in your process that you find unique to you. I think one thing that's been a little bit attributed to k- gm is that we can be a little bit tech forward But i caution a little bit about it. Because as i said before it's all about the people at the end of the day but we do tend to make sense that i found tengo which has tech website But we do tend to be looking at tools. That silicon valley is using I don't wanna give us too much credit. I think we were using slack before everyone else was using slack And then we're the first office to get off slack. You know two years ago when we were like no no no always on communication not a good thing So we are always looking at the tools that we can be using to better run our business and run. The business of broadway shows And i'd like to think that we're we're always a little step ahead of the everyone else on that. What is job in the theater industry that you would trade jobs with for one week only one week. I know the answer to this. I like desperately want to be a singer a skill i do not have cannot hear pitch my wife every time i try to sing. She's like dan. You gotta stop. Like i cannot live with you like that. I cannot sing. And i wish i had any musical ability. It's amazing what is one hobby. You have outside of theater. I like to run. And one point in time. I ran marathons very poorly and i'd like to get back into that. Do you have any books or resources that you find helpful to you and your process so i read a lot about the tech world and startup culture. I tell everyone that comes to me with us at the first website. I read almost every morning as tech crunch. But that's just my perspective right. Like i love hearing how other startups operate so. That's why you talk a lot about apps. all the time I find it very helpful. Because i'm watching. I'm reading news about constantly help. Startups are failing and succeeding museum. Okay what is first show. You went to see when broadway reopens show. I wanna see and it's going to sound so self serving but you know what you have a general manager and program I i've been working on a project for a couple years now called. Burn for for this. It's the bb wines. Musical has had a couple of out of town. productions that deserves to be on broadway. I wanted to be on broadway and nothing would make me happier than that. Be one of the very first shows that comes back after all of this. It's kind of a. yeah. I haven't really thought about this question in the sense of of course we don't know what's going to be on the table when things reopened so i love when somebody brings up something. That isn't confirmed for broadway yet But is hopeful of seeing it on broadway when broadway returns so. Thank you for that. Of course tonight flunk lightning round you got like a c. Minus coach too generous. So where can our listeners. Find you on social websites listed all. Yes sure so. Check us out. Ten dot com. That's one zero g l. o. Dot com by the way. Can i just take a second. Like if you're ever naming a company Make sure it's podcast friendly or radio friendly tengo like the worst name in the world. You'd make sense when you see it right but like one zero g l. o. Dot com Just if your fellow entrepreneurs out there Podcasts are hot these days. So tango dot com k. g. m. theatrical dot com. I'm on all the social at daniel. Cuny dot com and the occasional clubhouse. Yeah thank you so much for joining us for this episode. We i really enjoyed it is. This was a real tree. Thanks so much for having me on awesome thank you. Thanks everyone for listening to this episode of page to stage to keep up with us. You can find us on instagram and facebook page to stage hot and if you're enjoying these conversations we would really appreciate it if you can take a couple minutes to rate and review us wherever you're listening to this podcast until next time. That's brian. that's mary we'll see you later bye. You're listening to the broadway podcast network.

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What is a Net Lease: Interview with Dwaine Clarke

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What is a Net Lease: Interview with Dwaine Clarke

"Hey there I really think you're GonNa like this music well. My name is Josh. I'm the host of a real estate show on the show. We're GONNA talk about real stay the all the way from general topics renting an apartment all the way to funding commercial deals. So I'm going to take you on a journey so we could learn meet some great people and maybe even do some deals together if you'd like to find out more head over to. WWW DOT a real estate show dot com now onto the episodes. Hello everybody welcome to real estate show. My Name's Josh. I'm real estate. Investor and broker and having conversations with other real estate professionals to give guys hope inspiration gratien education and get you guys involved in real estate so on today's show. We're GONNA have a conversation with Duane Clark. All right so joins going to talk about some really interesting things in the world. The real estate and He's also fellow podcast. Host of a show called wealth through real estate. Real say right investing. Yes it's nice so Hey dwayne welcome to the show. I really appreciate it. Just a really appreciate the opportunity and look forward to connect them. Yeah cool so why. Don't you tell us a little bit about who you are and what you do yes sure Name is Duane Clark from Connecticut Wife to kids Beautiful family and my business. G. C. T. net lease refocused on mailbox money investments as well as an investor is well on apartments and single tenant net lease like I said just love talking about the topic of you know wealth-building and pass it investments For my hobbies just love hanging out with the family in and then working on business is kind of like. I don't really have much other type of topics that I liked to do. Just kinda working on business I guess family and business right. Yeah yeah that's good so okay so tell us a little bit you mentioned mailbox money and Netflix says why don't you give us an idea of what what those look like. And then we'll we'll go back into how you got started in this sure. Yes so mailbox. Money is kind of a topic that many people's like what. What is this so primarily? It's focussed around the industry of net leased which is a free standing building REVELEES agreement with one tenant didn't were this. Tenant is responsible for all of the expenses associated with the property property taxes insurance maintenance cam all you name it and they send you a monthly Renchik each month and a lot of these places are places that we you know bank shop eat at every single day McDonnell also. CVS walgreens seven eleven where we get our gas dollar general so as easily places that we can't live without and some people don't realize that you you're you're shopping. These places are actually owned by private investors. That are you know that are the landlords of them and they're getting monthly cash flow checks which is pretty cool. Yeah yeah that's great and then and then you do some Some syndication and investing in single family as well yeah so yeah primarily on multifamily early and a single tenant net lease I do have some ownership in some some retail net lease medical net lease properties and some small multifamily hair in the Connecticut area area and then also we have a division that just kind of folk some larger type stuff awesome so before we get too far into the weeds of like the pros the cons and the kind of things that you focus on in that real estate. Let's go back. How did you get started in real estate? Yeah there's been a while so I got started real site by seeing a sign on the road. I said come to us a real estate. Seminar thing goes on my way to like a job and I wasn't. I was always curious about real estate but I think it was my calling calling this either sign posted on the side of a road and it was like oh it was like that weekends. I said I couldn't concentrate at work. I said I gotta go to this thing. I check it out now. I go to go to their local real estate association meetings. Where it's Kinda I call it a big TUPPERWARE party? So they have all these vendors polities gurus and they're just doing these presentations and they're just trying to teach it a course and eventually I kinda went into a room and saw group and I just like liked the energy and I'm like this. That's pretty cool now. I was talking about all these creative strategies on wholesaling and subject to in pre foreclosure. I'm like this is. This is for me so pulled out the a credit card and that's kind of started my real estate journey couple years I ended up partnering with With another person and we did a whole bunch of flips and Massachusetts. It's then I Eventually it was just really hands on so I was. They were contractors and going back and forth the Home Depot and really burnt me out so I said let me get into side of the property management side because he had a couple that we owned that we couldn't Flip at the time. So I got into that and then eventually got my broker's license basins and is kind of translates over what I'm doing now. That one of my clients that own a lot of multifamily he owned a walgreens pharmacy. And I at that time I had no idea what net lease our triple net stuff was and I said. How can you own a wall agreeing? Thought Walgreen's owned and he said no I'm Own these guys and these this is my my tenant new payment each month so I started to learn more about that process and dealing with him he kind of turned into my mentor and started started putting me on the path of passive investments. So I kind of designed my business around where provide investors with these pass investments as well as trying trying to get involved with them and myself once I kind of build up my capital so so fast forward to today. That's what I'm doing today. I love doing it because I'm able to work from home if we traveled to Europe with to see my wife's family. I'm able to do it there. And this led this. You know really comfortable passive lifestyle which encourage people to do all right so this is this is really awesome so you had a job you had a job and you're you're driving to the job you saw a sign you're like oh man this might be my escape right. What what? What kind of work were you? What was your job it was sale? So it's like technology I think the company was like. CDW where you just. You're basically selling computers. But it was too like like the the local government so that was a sales rep. So you know that's how I started out as Nice. You saw the sign and you went through this course and at first your little hesitant Tampa you you you found your people you're like man. These people are awesome and they were talking about different topics like wholesaling and get involved in subject to mortgages and such like that rape eight pulled out the credit card. Swipe at what was that. Do you remember what the initial investment was. When that credit card I think was like twenty seven hundred or something like that I think in two thousand seven hundred and some chains and that was at that time was like the biggest? You Know Trans I mean I bought like a little TV here and there. But you know you're young you know dislike you get credit card. Has You know five thousand Elimelech you know but at that time I was so pumped up I was like yeah I I can do this and of course you probably been to these these meetings in like a really fillet. You can do this and you could buy a house with ten bucks and you can flip it and you can make ten thousand dollars. This is the business for me so I was always a kind go-getter I did other smaller courses. I you know watch the infomercial on TV. And I'm buying all these little things but this is my largest one and I was like really committed admitted Mike. I'm GonNa make this work so so I jumped in Nice. Did was that a good investment. Like looking back. Yeah I think so I mean for me. It's all about education and moving towards my ultimate goal. So I will spend any amount of money to learn anything I mean. My whole house is full with e books and and you know and books and courses and stuff over the years. I'm always about like education in my car. My Kids Complain Because I'm always playing some type type of guru thing and I said his automobile university kids so you learning early before you get to go to school even though you're five and two so it's it's really about this education. I like talking talking to you. 'cause I'll learn something that people I interview on my show. I learned something reading books. I accidentally what books do you read. I'll go grab it immediately so I'm always is about education even if I lose money or if it doesn't go to wait I plan. It's all going towards better. Good Yeah one of the first courses that I bought back in the day was it's like a Carlton sheets or something. I bought it. I got into yeah. Yeah Yeah and I. I think I've made my I flip deal. I Made Thirteen K and then I made a tankeea on it but like little little educational pieces that we learn we pick up in. It's a tool. That could be used later on the to do this. So you got in Inter through this course now you made a career of this. At what point did you lead the. CDW The the the work the job to go fulltime. I'm into real estate like when you talk to us about the turning point their almost about I will say about a year 'cause I was learning stuff now is doing some small deals but not enough to replace the income so I ended up partnering with another season investor. who was in it fulltime and he was able to kind of supplement me until we KINDA got a a couple more stuff closed so so he is able to transmit his transition me over and then I just kind of took over from there so so that Kinda helped but as a saas going on a path goes? We're doing I think the first year maybe fifteen flips Some of them wholesale. Some we rehab but you know some of them were cosmetic the projects in some. Were very heavy rehab so it takes us time to run. Its course but eventually got there and then wanted to kind of do the property management. Do this dude. Adding be very ambitious. But as you probably know the flipping game just like for me. I was hands on any. I didn't have a team so kind of burt me out. So this is house picking up my own contractors and bring them to work and staying at the houses for like two o'clock in the morning so it kind of burt me on. I want something more away more thing. I was GONNA rental side and NASA mainly what met my my mentor later on down the road. Nice yeah you had to jump into you knew you wanted to get into into real estate so you jumped into industry trot a few different things and then you like the light bulb went out when you're like you're talking to the guy and you're like wait a second you own the walgreens building and they're paying you you and that kind of started you on your trajectory right exactly. Got It all right so so you got into this Single tenant leases and talked us about the first deal that you did like you know you had a mentor and you talk to us about the first transaction that you did or the first deal of how you got into this canal. Get your expert in the in that niche in your in your growing business through that. But how'd you get started net. Yes so that one. You know 'cause I'm dealing with on the net Lee side of like a walgreens all green's or CVS or these type of tendons. They're not like a single family house as like a hundred grand. These are you know five. Six seven million dollar deals so I'm like talking like you you know. How did you kind of build up to that? So he sat through syndication so he did strategic error partnering through family and friends he was able to pull capital together. At that time. I was wet near that. I had no idea what I was a slowly trying to learn into it so I ended up selling him a property and then end up buying into his his property owning a piece at ownership so that was able to Kinda help me get into their and then kinda pieces started to fall together and then he's like that's how these bigger guys usually do strategic partnering or they raise capital from private investors. And all this stuff starting to come together and of course it you know it takes a Lotta time to really on the stand and honing all the skills and stuff like that so I kept selling and selling and strategically some of the clamps. Allow me to get into summoner owner deals in and then just kinda build from there so when you're when you're doing these deals It sounds like a pattern of your life. I like to look at patterns of People's life. You get into. There's something you get some education you follow you. Follow people who've done it but a few times you've you've got caught up with an investor or mentor or you did it with Someone like what advice. Do you have for people listening into the audience. What advice you have for for working with mentors or other other people like it sounds? You're doing it really well. What's your house? Yes definitely I would say you know. Just look for people that are that are in the business that are are doing it. Well and just pick the brain Even offer to work for them for free. You know or or do something pick up laundry do anything just so you can be able to have an hour our within just a GONNA learn the game from them just constantly. Educating yourself and just kind Alania so networking is really being. I was looking back now like I went the every month. All of these rea- meetings and sometimes like it. It just seemed like those kind of pitching pitching pitching but over time you will. You'll meet someone interesting that you say you. Oh can I have a coffee or dinner with you and then eventually kind of learned things like as like this This video game that I seen the trailer of where. There's there's like these the alert. They're like humanoids. Were GonNA have like. I don't know if you've heard when they had like the little data ahead in every time they learned something you could see like the the green processing the led or something like that. So I see like myself is like every time I talked to somebody and learn something I can see kind of. Led kind of flashing and stuff. I'm this processing more more information. But yeah just is really big is get when mentors pay for mentors I mean I have a mentor in Iowa that I flew out to you know. Pay The bill and I just flew down just to learn and it was literally for day. You know a couple thousand dollars but just the for him to tell me one thing that I'm doing in my business today. Richard podcasting was pretty much. What I paid for? You know for the whole trip. So it's like this little thing. Mitch can cost a lot but long-term is indefinitely benefits you so you know. Is this really jumping in. And sometimes you may make the wrong choice but s life and you know you just gotta learn from it then jumped back in again once you learn from your sex from there so yeah clean up. Clean off the BOO BOO and get back in right. Exactly it's as you know. Everyone gets so you know hit somewhere you know. He's got a jump back in and dislike can be discouraged. You gotTa Keep Gore and so one of your first deals in single tenant you actually brokered the the deal right so you sold the investor and then you started to get involved at. What point did you start getting more involved into the investments that you were helping broker Yeah so I started kind of ramping up we you know. We do a lot of referral business. So we started getting a lot of calls from different vessels I want to get involved in buying properties and some of those our acts my said. Would you be able to offer equity if people bringing money into deal. Sometimes they say yes sometime they say no so it it just really does up client by client basis and some of them. Now that I've known for eight eight nine years that were just you know working on projects together and just like it just building relationships over time so over time just looking at opportunities saying you can be able to get into and has jumped right in cool. Do you think it's important There's a lot of entrepreneurs that I'm connected with that listening and they're they're getting started in real estate and I'm like you know what kind of real estate you focus on like anything right What's your what's your advice for your opinion on focusing in on a sector? You know like you're focused in on on a single tenant in you know you do some investing in in single and multifamily but like what. What's your opinion on focusing in niching? Yes definitely because you'll be. You're able to kind of be that the expert in that knowledge judge they're just kind of focusing in It may evolve over time because I started out single family than I went to property management and I went to commercial and then now I'm I'm doing this so but overtime I said if I'm going to focus on at I was all in so when I I was brokering small multifamily when I had my real estate license I was all in. I was in doing anything else. Then when I transitioned it is I decided I wanted to be able to put all my energy my focus and then kinda learn everything about that. Whole specific niche so for net lease? I went and bought every single book. You can think of that I can find and then young went through and talked all brokers and Kinda just pick the brain and this absorbed myself into until like I was able to really like spit it out like nothing so that would kind of be my mine curves that people just find a niche and just focusing on it but you know over time you may say you know this may not fit for me or my lifestyle. I really like moving over to the net leased because of the lifestyle that it provided to me and of course the testimony of my clients saying like this is what it does for me so I said Yeah. That's definitely where I wanNA be in life. You know now. I have two kids Wal Hyphen as kind of like it. Just fits perfect in our world if I was doing the more active side of fixing flipping. It's great you make a lot of money and you could probably put systems where you can kind of be Libor hands on hands off but it just wasn't a fit for me so I will say find something that fits perfect for your lifestyle because there's many so many different stuff you can do land investments. You can do this. You can doodad fix and flip. It can be an agent at all whole bunch of different stuff in his all good so I guess I something that fits well which your lifestyle and just stick to it and just learn everything about him being an expert at it got it so you mentioned lifestyle a few times times like what. What kind of lifestyle? Or what kind of person or lifestyle does this Single tenant triple net like investment. Who's WHO's a real good fit for this? So this is for like a very conservative. Passive type of investor on the returns are not close to like what you'll get from flipping houses multifamily GonNa Definitely get higher returns with that but this is a good alternative to Is I kinda like corporate bonds. uh-huh or an alternative from the from the stock market. So you want like a fifteen twenty year lease order consistently paying you. Each month and incremental rent bombs every five ten years this is a real good investment for us is very low volatility. It just you deal with one tent. You know these. These are for the most part I only deal was like brand name type of investments like CBS. Seven eleven. So these are like they're they're on the stock exchange or you. You know these large multi multibillion dollar companies so you know you can rely on them a lot of my clients. They're you know they're older in age. That is good for people that's like looking to are heading towards retirement. It's a good legacy property because I have clients who bought these would pass it on to their children who may not have no interest interest in real estate whatsoever. But they know that they're gonNA beginning income every single month for the rest of you know for the next twenty years or so so far so it's really for those type of people who aren't really laid back conservative. You know not aggressive type of returns but a really good consistent casual each month. Yeah Yeah. That's awesome so cashflow. Some other things that you mentioned you know you're dealing with one tenant versus like having a mall and you have to know war or a hundred different types of properties you know you have a single tenant and it sounds like they they manage and maintain the property and they they they pay for the majority of the expenses like what what expenses did they cover versus. What does the investor cover so the cool thing about this that for they have different types of leases but the ones I deal with the mailbox money they call absolute triple net leases read? The tenant pays everything so taxes insurance maintenance repairs. There's up keep they pay everything directly and you know so. One thing that's cool about is that you can be living in Florida Orlando Florida and an own a CVs pharmacy in Texas. And they're paying bills and they just send you to check each month. You don't have to go down and check. It jumped to go get estimates for rules or do this do that. They they totally take care of everything and they send a check. So that's why it's really hands off and people like it because I get a lot of clients that are on the coast. Cities are learn California to New York. These high tax states were just like the real estate does doesn't work there for them so they may say. Let me look outside of my marketplace. So they'll look. Can you know. Growing markets like Texas Arizona. Colorado Florida different places. That are just good pieces of real estate good markets instead have decided to go get something in my backyard because I have to go take a look at it once in a while. So that's the cool thing about. is they take care of all expenses in addition to pain. You do your monthly rent. Check each month Nice Nice so about how long have you been Focused in on this specific niche. I'll say about eight to ten years Specifically on this niche so they had to spend like hunkering down and this all day this and now Alexa we'd been flirting a lot more with the multifamily family syndication but this is bread and butter that we handle every single day. Nice Nice. So you've done you've done a fair amount of deals right. This is your choice. Yes I'm GonNa give you some options right so you could talk about a deal that that worked out really really wealthy guys or a deal gone bad which one you WanNa talk about. I I can do bopha yeah. Let's we could talk but a deal went on good I would say we did a very large transaction of US Airways Call Center For Large read client and It was about fifteen fifty million dollars and change and Absolute triple net lease. You'll get excellent tenant you gotta you know. Airline Tenant Call San they pay for everything in an excellent booming market in North Carolina and exit very happy and we went through the whole bunch of different options that could have been a good fit but ultimately settled on this one. You know like I said you gotta go back and forth negotiating price but ultimately they got a really Komo purchase price and now they are actually closing to sell it in a couple of weeks so they then got their return. Now they're benefiting all of this stuff and then you know looking for the next deal. Nice Nice I deal gun bad I will say I mean as a couple of deals that just fell apart. I work with a lot of Ten thirty exchange investors. So sometimes you have to rely on the hopefulness of their sale going through so I had my handful of we gone. You know Kinda deepen belly of a deal you know like right at the last minute. Were there The the money's GonNa go. Oh hard and win finding out. What the one that we recently had that fell through was they were pretty certain that the deal go through a narrow in an end up falling through and then there deposit ended up going hard like the next day Like right after we found out in there so they end up losing their deposit on the buy side but the good thing is that there Buyer for their property lost their deposit as well so he ended up making a little bit of money because he had a more that they had had to put up in his so I was glad that he didn't lose any doubt right. Yeah but he was of course happy at all you know because we you know kind of waited to the last minute because we he he said he was starting now is going to go through it. But that's Kinda how real estate is. It's something go wrong you know. And so forget the quote where you know. Something always goes wrong but S out is in real estate. We try to mitigate it as much as possible but it's hard to stop everything so the best thing is just let your clients. It's no be upfront. This say hey this is going to happen this. What could potentially happen so if it does they'll be like okay would it but yeah I mean I? That's something got expecting something. That's you gotta like overcome. Now you mentioned a few things in for those who've listened and if if they're just getting started in real estate they might not know a ten thirty one exchanges. Could you kind of give us a high level of you know what is ten thirty one exchange. Yep sure so it's a it's a time will the IRS will allow you to defer taxes. exes when you have a property that you're selling so if you have a office building east I'm going to sell this building. You can get young. You don't take the proceeds. He's home because then you have to pay taxes on his some investors say. I don't WanNA pay any taxes. They'll actually roll that money over into another property and the the government will allow lied to Kinda defer does taxes so people are just keep you know set of paying taxes. They'll just keep doing it over and over and over again and putting into new properties and kind taking advantage of new opportunities that come up so it's it's pretty good that option I so you have to sell one and then roll that money into into something new you could defer. Are you know capital gains so. This is really good for for people who want to increase their portfolio. The property appreciations pull that out in by something bigger and awesome awesome awesome awesome awesome. So as you're as you're doing these deals Kinda give us A little bit of The pros and cons so for someone listening in there like you know I own a business. I'm an investor but this passive income. You know the passive investor Kinda sounds good to me. But they're weighing out the pros and cons. Could you give us some pros and cons of Net leases sheriff. Salt the the pros. I mean we kind of went over a lot of the benefits that is a really hands off investment and some people just don't realize 'cause they always think traditional additional real estate. You have something to deal with. You know as like other guy look at the roof or I'm responsible for the camera or the parking lot but an absolute triple net lease. He's mailbox money tenant they're paying for everything. The next thing is that you not geographically limited to your local market compared to having maybe like a a four family family in your marketplace. You may have to go check on attendance. You may have to renew leases check on this check on them with the net lease. You're able to take advantage manage of the best real estate in the best market. So whether as in Miami Houston Nashville Tennessee. Go to the best places to find the best piece of real estate. It is is generally low volatility Dylan one ten. If you get a really good you know. Blue chip publicly traded company or institutional grade or a large corporate. I pretended you're you're dealing with very long term reliable tannin compared to maybe a building four family where you're not sure if ten is GONNA pay a on time they have very large corporate and institutional great guarantees and typically most net lease deals are long-term. So you deal with maybe fifteen twenty years left on a lease with rental increases throughout the initial lease term and rental in on rent options. And so you may have a fifteen year regular lease and then you may have five three your options another fifteen years on top at so you may have this tenant in this building for for thirty years which is a good which is a good thing. Somebody cons is dealing with one ten so we seen cases where very large tenants go bus. You know some of them are like toys R. US a sears. Metrics metric firms are David's bridal just to name a few that they seem like they Iran touchable but an Amazon came came into the picture and now they're being challenged on ECOMMERCE. So so you have to be very careful what tenants you select and then of course you have to buy a good piece of real estate some of these tenants they wanna be competitive so just kind of go to any location Asian and then find out that they're not making sales in the store dies and then you just left there when empty building so gotTa make sure that you finding the stuff. So the mitigate all that when you look for good tenants try to avoid tenants that are subject to the E. Commerce threats look for places that good good traffic count that good good Good visibility you know store level sales you know population density. How many people are within one three to five miles from the site? And of course you on the tenant guarantee you knows it. Five units if it's a franchise level or visit Corporate Radio One thousand units. You know nationwide so you feel more comfortable at night that you have. All of those dynamics dynamics together the kind of have a better investment of course has risk but those can help many mitigates risk awesome. So something's to avoid you say avoid things that have a risk to Amazon could you know Takeover or something like that so so you mentioned some of those You know things that would probably be More risky if you were selling through your your building of course like Oh you probably avoid you know. Tennis that have liked furniture or are clothing or anything that you can primarily by online. Is this amazing. And I I don't even think about it I. I buy almost everything on on Amazon. Check the Amazon. I you know if it's like I need a computer keyboard or need this Anita head. I don't go to best buy like I used to. So now you know best buy probably attendant say hint me. Think about it because they can. They're being challenged highly highly by Amazon. And they're just taken over so you So some safer places to stick with you know fast food Entertainment Some specific civic type of retail convenience like dollar general or seven eleven gasoline. You know so those are prescription. Those are also possibly being challenged but But some people feel a little bit safer with those type of tennis but for the most part you want to kind of stick around fast food specific type of retail well convenience and You know gas station does type of tennis where they can't be challenged directly by ECOMMERCE and you just Kinda if you stick with that Ad. Then you'd be a little bit more safe because people still got to go get their toilet tissue. They still got to go. Get Gas is still gotta they still go by Burgers and they still go to the movies in a still go go get their their car washed and stuff like that. So if you do that and stick to those type of Tenants you should be safer. Yeah now when when you're focusing on these deals so someone comes to you and they say I want to. I want to Invest in these kinds of deals. What's the next step? What what do you do so I've got some money? I want to invest in you. I want to take down a property. Like what do you do from there so I I kind of ask some kind of what their goal is so they're looking for Very long-term there towards the end of the career at age is one just like a steady stream of income that was suggested a set of tenants. That have Kinda Dat McCaffrey that will probably maximise their investment. If it's something looking for a little bit more aggressive return their specific types attendance for that so just the name top of my head institutional great tenant like dollar general. They're normally trading in the six your six percent to six and a half percent cap rates compared to like a McDonald's incorporate restaurant retreating into force so to significant returns. They're both great tenants. But you know it really comes down to what type of lifestyle you're trying to live. I you know we sold a Walgreens At a six cap now that were perfectly for my client and I have a a client. I just wanted a four cap Four and a half cap seven eleven in that were perfectly because because he already had other income streams from his other higher risk investments like apartments and stuff like that so it just really comes down to what are you at what type of lifestyle you WanNa live. Then we can go back and look look at the type of tenants then I always look at the marketplaces because sometimes but not much the pricing will vary. But for the most part we can be able to kind triangulate where they're looking for and this land perfect investment and from narratives. You what your budget and you know when you're looking to purchase at that point Nice Nice You mentioned cap rate. I could you explain what CAPRA's for for newbies listening in or for people who want a deeper knowledge of you know what is capitalization Apple Ization. Yes so this is a sixty foot view. Capitalization rate for us on the net lease side is just like what would that. What would you return? Be If you bought a law cash so most of my clients are buying all cash for the most part if his two million dollars in a six caps he can earn six percent on that two million dollars so that's really a general overview of what it is and of course we can get deep Noordhuis but that's like the easiest way that I know it. Yeah now that that's perfect. That's perfect so yeah. If people want to go deeper in the way that I always suggest why don't you just if they have deeper questions or or if this is something that they're interested in the audience listening game and they go. You know what I'd like to talk with him a bell. You know these kinds of deals. I'll connect you in in the show notes. Ladies and gentlemen listening in you'll be able to click on his link and go to his linked in or or you go to the website and you'll be able to connect them so if you do want to know more information on this my you know my suggestion is go into the show notes. Go to the website you know and then connect with Dwayne to ask them deeper questions Dwayne as you're as you're building this out like you mentioned you know. Sometimes you go to Europe and you've kind of built this business based around the lifestyle that you want. What's the future look like for you? Yeah discontinuing with You know these types of investments vestments like I mentioned we are looking on the multifamily side but on syndication. So we're we're kind of putting our capital to work with other sponsors so we're kind of taking a more more of a passive approach. I want to continue doing that. I we when my kids get an older we. Just we envision US kind of traveling back and forth she. He misses her family. Lastly tried to go there at least once a year. If not more so our goal is to continue to travel and just be able to just take my laptop and go everywhere I want. I remember last time we went. We went to Croatia. And I'm like sitting on the beach with the laptop and Mike and I'm closing deal and I'm looking at my wife. I said I love this business business. 'cause I'm able to just live the way we wanna live in. This is all you know. We've been talking about this for years. This is a lifestyle we want and lot of my clients they like doing the same. They WANNA WANNA hang out more with their kids in their family and they WANNA do Goff Finn In do other chores and hobbies and they shouldn't be able to this out there doing work you know so just choose the lifestyle that you want and go do it but finding investments that work best for you that provide you that lifestyle. That's all I always you talk and praised people do and so you know just find out what you want and go do it. And it's it's all there for you. Nice now tell us tell us about your podcast. Sure it's The wealthy real estate investing podcast. It's a five days a week. PODCAST and the interview experts. Like yourself So we try to find the best. The best to talk about all different types of niches a real estate wealth-building passive investments Bring on different Movers and shakers attorney is CPA's different people that just kind of put all the puzzle pieces together that if you're trying to be active or pass investor that this is the toolbox for you so we just try to provide as much information pick as much brain is is me. Also learning a crapload of stuff when I'm talking to people so I'm just like this. Empty Brain does accent dumbest questions you can think of because you may have the same dumb question so is ray able to learn together and I just do it. Just platforms is to provide more value to my to my My investors into people. That may just be curious in to help as many people as possible. Awesome you you mentioned. You mentioned books training courses Things that you take in. So I'm you know. I want to encourage our audience to listen to other podcasts. Go listen into dwayne. And we'll we'll put the link to his podcasts. In in the show notes but you know listen into these things learned from other people. You don't have the the the cost the expense of learning by yourself because that gets super expensive Doing what other other than your podcasts what other resources would you recommend to someone who's looking to get into your type of real estate. Yeah just a I I would just say go and is bigger pockets DOT com. 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Yeah so I I got a couple but the the main one is a real estate mailbox money and in just specifically just kind of like a hundred foot view of of the of the market how to analyze tenants on what to look for locations You know how to look at heels and I talk about some of those popular ten and the benefits and the cons about them so just really just Kinda gone through everything you will need to notice. I'm I feel comfortable diving into for this type of investment. 'cause I can kind of look in is not many resources out there as kind of concentrated at talks about it. So that's the reason why I wrote it So when I talked to a new client are talked to somebody about it instead of this running through them for two three hours. I said the check out the book. Let me know what to think and if you have any questions let's take it from there. But they should act this answer about eighty eighty percent of the questions. Had you have Nice Nice. And where can people find that book. 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If they want to get a copy of the book and I'm on linked. Then you just type in Duane Clark facebook. The same thing Makes it the PODCAST is wealth wealth the real estate investing podcasts on all major platforms but you can find me can just Gogel me. I'm I'm around and look forward to connect with you and talk talking to you about anything. In real estate awesome and the next time for those listening in who want a similar lifestyle. They want work from the beach and Croatia and enclosing these big. You know fifteen million dollar deals. If you WANNA learn how to do that my suggestion is do it with people who have already done at work. People like Dwayne Learned the ropes. So that you could go faster learning through a mentor and Advisor in an apartment. Like him. Dwayne an. Thanks for coming on the show. We really enjoyed having you and excited about what you're working on. I'm I'm really blessed. 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A Brief History Throwback: The Jeter Five

The Bronx Pinstripes Show - Yankees MLB Podcast

27:14 min | Last month

A Brief History Throwback: The Jeter Five

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Mlb draft aka the derek jeter draft and quick shout out to listener andrew campbell. Who suggested this topic after seeing that. Two teams passed on michael jordan in the nba draft. He wanted to know what was the five teams that passed on derek. Jeter in the baseball draft as the legend goes on a conference call before the nineteen ninety-two draft with thirty or forty yankees officials. Dick gras the scout. Who found jeeter famously said this when others expressed concern that jeter would not sign and go to college instead. He's not going to the university of michigan. The only place derek. Jeter is going is cooperstown. That sounds like folklore. And even if god didn't say those exact words he no doubt identified jeter as a future star. The summary he wrote on a draft report dated april eighth nineteen ninety-two said a yankee. A five tool player will be l. Major league star plus five exclamation point exclamation point. I'm pretty sure the plus five or first jeeter's five tools as being at least a plus grade which is a sixty on the twenty two eighty scale. The baseball draft is the biggest crap. Shoot out of all the major sports not gonna go too deep into why. It's just obvious when you realize that it's the longest lead time between when you actually select a player and when he is on your team in the major leagues other sports football basketball and hockey. You can go straight from the draft to that major league team that big league team. That's not the case with baseball. So there's a ton of variables that can happen along the way and under the current. Cba there are forty rounds. Plus supplemental and compensation picks that means over. A thousand players are selected each year. A two thousand seventeen study published by the baseball research journal on that about sixty six percent of players drafted and signed in the first round. Make the major leagues and forty seven percent. Play three or more years. It was percentages are actually higher than i would have guessed. Maybe that's because my perception is skewed because the yankees have drafted pretty terribly over the past twenty five years so they're not hitting on a sixty six percent level. Obviously there's a fall off dramatically as you go into the deep rounds but two thirds of a first round pick appearing in the majors. Is you know it's not a sure thing. But it's not bad scouting though is where the magic happens team. Select the players there. Scouts approve of a read. Something that said scouting is the art of confidence. What do you see. What can you project and most importantly. How sure are you. Scouts have to sell the players. They've identified to the people in charge if to sell hard. Doug melvin who used to be a scouting director with the yankees. Said you've got to be convincing with your reporting on the player and you're selling of the player maybe a scout and one of the other cities houston or whatever that like jeeter wasn't convincing enough or didn't evaluate him properly. He's talking about the five teams that drafted before the yankees in nineteen ninety-two one of those scouts. How new hauser famously quit. After the astros took phil nevin number one overall instead of jeter. So i guess new house or didn't sell hard enough knowing what is actually behind scouting and the whole drafting process makes it seem pretty lucky that the yankees ended up with derek jeter dick gras and i hope i'm saying his name correctly. It's spelled g. r. o. c. h. And i looked up pronunciation and gras is the best. I'm going to do so bear with me. He's a veteran scout. Who now works for the brewers as a special assistant to the general manager but back in the early nineties he was the yankee scout assigned to the mid west region. he was first sold. On jupiter's talent at an all star camp held at western michigan university in nineteen ninety-one after he saw jeeter dominate there. He started to follow him but not in. The typical scout follows a player kinda way. Grou- wanted to watch jeeter from afar. Oftentimes he'd watt from his car in the parking lot and he said on a few occasions he would hide in the bushes and watch them that way. The reason he did this is because he did not want to alert jeter of his presence this way he could see him fail and see how we interacted with his teammates. When he didn't think there was a scout around really he just wanted to watch jitter and his natural element other times. It's obvious when a scout is there to watch a player and it's a big deal. It's not only a big deal for the player being watched. It's kind of a big deal for the entire team jeeter recalled. I knew who he was knew that he was the scout for the yankees. Because i played with a guy on a summer team that was drafted by the yankees but hadn't signed so he was following him around but he left me alone never had a conversation with them and when gras called jeeter to say the yankees at drafted him jeeter said. I didn't think you liked me. I didn't see you that much scout sometimes. Build a relationship with the player in the family pre-draft to build up some equity when it comes time for the signing bonus negotiations that wasn't gross style but he still had a great relationship after he was signed which ended up being for eight hundred thousand dollars including a fifty thousand dollar equipment donation and athletic equipment to judas high school summer leagues wreck programs grow said later that other eighteen year olds in that spot asked for numerous eighties or something. So that tells you a lot that we really already knew about geeder. Even as an eighteen year old jitter would sometimes call proffer advice and reassurance when he was struggling in the minors jitter got off to a really bad. Start in rookie ball. He hit two. Oh two in the gulf coast league and was benched on the final day of the season so is batting average. Didn't dip below the mendoza line then the next year in nineteen ninety-three. He set a record by making fifty. Six errors enable. This clip is from a nineteen ninety-three spring training interview or jitters reflecting on his first year in pro ball. last year. Last year was terrible for me. The rookie league was was ter rows homesick. I wasn't playing good as it was just as bad as it could get but this year two different story. Derek was invited to the yankees big league camp and now he's back fantasy land rubbing elbows with players. He used idolize. It's weird to see on tv. And then now. I'm here with all of especially like don mattingly wade boggs spike going. And all these guys. They're right there with. They also like to ride them about his age. Derek signed with the yankees one day after his eighteenth birthday talking. A guy eagle a while ago. He asked how i was and he said he had a girlfriend. I said yeah. He said because he has a daughter my age. So it's a little little odd being the youngest one here but it's far believe it or not things got better for derek. Jeter from their grog jeeter remained close and he was involved in some of the celebrations around. Jeeter's three thousand hit his farewell tour some of the other things that happened towards the end of his career. Like i said at the start. Dick was confident. Jeeter was heading for cooperstown. Even if some of that confidence was a hard. Sell to the yankees. Here's some more from the scouting report that he wrote. The ability section is mostly focused on jeeter's throwing his range and speed on the base paths. But it did say that. He shows power potential and has a quick bat. The weaknesses section says. He's an anxious hitter. Who needs to learn to be more patient at the plate. Swing slightly long overall. He gave judas future potential a sixty four out of eighty meaning that he expected jeeter to fall somewhere between a star on his own team and a perennial all star player in the league. Talking about gras cashman said dick has got strong opinions when he sees something he likes. He's going to make sure you know it. He's not afraid to express that that's a compliment. A lot of people don't have that conviction necessary to do that job. It was really important that he had the conviction because it took some convincing and trust and growth for the yankees to draft the eighteen year old. Jeter it was especially difficult because steinbrenner did not love the idea of drafting high school players even though the yankees took high schoolers in the first round every year from nineteen ninety to nineteen ninety-three but there was also an issue that it was not guaranteed that jeeter would sign derek. Jeter turning into a hall of famer who led the yankees to five championships. Made it so people know who dick gras is. Part of. That is luck that five teams didn't take jeeter if the astros took jeeter and he led them to championships. Everyone would call. How new hauser genius and nobody would know that dick gras identified the shortstop from kalamazoo and the yankees would have taken him at number six. Or what if the yankees took jim. Pitts. -ly a pitcher. They were also eyeing at number six overall. He ended up being drafted by the royal seventeenth and had a six point. Oh to era and was out of the league by nineteen ninety nine. What if the scout who favored piteously won the internal battle overbrook. It can turn on a dime jeeter's grabs trump card now but the reality is he was already a successful scout and well respected before that over his decades long career gronk saw sixteen players. He signed reached the majors in one thousand nine hundred six alone. He signed three players. Two of which reached the majors. Hal morris and scott kennedy and the other was casey close close. Never made the majors. But he did turn into one of the biggest agents in the sport and represented jeeter throughout his career. Sometimes it just doesn't work out. Crock said he saw every game. Joey votto played for a year leading up to the two thousand two draft. But nobody knows that because the reds took them instead. It's really amazing. How things could have turned out if one or two things broken a different way but luckily for the yankees they were in a position to be picking six overall and jeeter were still on the board the yankees were rebuilding in the early nineties and was because they were rebuilding that they had a seventy one in ninety one record in nineteen ninety-one giving them the number six pick in the ninety two draft in nineteen ninety the yankees pick tenth and took carl everett. Yes that carl everett. Everett was lost to the marlins in the ninety two expansion draft that year though chipper jones went number one overall to atlanta in nineteen. Ninety-one the yankees picked i. They drafted brian. Taylor who some scouts said was the best pitching prospect. They ever saw taylor ended up being a colossal bust but it wasn't for lack of talent is first couple of seasons. Were actually pretty good in the minors. But then he suffered a severe arm injury when defending his brother in a bar fight and he was never the same. taylor never made it to the majors. But he was minor league roommates with the nineteen ninety-two yankees first overall. Pick derek jeter. I mentioned the ninety and ninety one drafts because that was when big money signing bonuses for the top picks started to come into play chipper. Got one point. Two million from the braves and taylor got one point. Five five million from the yankees top players in the ninety two draft where eyeing million dollar bonuses as well which is part of the reason why jeeter fell. Pre-draft jeeter and jeffrey hammonds and outfielder from stanford university wanted the biggest bonuses. The kicker was though that jeeter was not a guaranteed assign. The draft order was houston cleveland. Montreal baltimore cincinnati and then the yankees. Those teams i mentioned especially the astros indians and expos were scared off by the bonus demands of jeeter and hammond's which weighed heavily in their selections houston went. I drafted third baseman phil. Nevin at cal state fullerton nevin was named the nineteen ninety. Two college world series. Most outstanding player in was close to major league ready entering the draft which was a big reason why houston took him but the main reason he didn't demand a signing bonus close to the previous year's top picks he ended up signing for seven hundred thousand dollars. Cleveland then took pitcher paul shuey from the university of north carolina who they projected as a top reliever. Montreal identified hammonds as their guy but they couldn't afford them. They drafted bj wallace from mississippi state. Instead baltimore wound up with hammonds and this is where things could have been a whole lot different in the american league east for the yankees and the orioles because hammonds actually ended up signing the largest bonus of the draft. He signed for nine hundred. Seventy five thousand dollars so the orioles were willing to pony up the cash to sign their top pick day just identified the wrong guy and they also probably fear. Jeeter go to college. It's very big sliding doors moment right there. Cincinnati took outfielder. Chad mottola from the university of central florida. At number five matola ended up signing for half of what jeter got so the five picks went by and judas name wasn't called. The undrafted for me was a little bit different because now jackson television when i was drafted at sin railway for phone call friends and family calling. You tying up the lines. We had no call waiting this either to get through hordes busy so You wait for phone call. I was supposed to be drafted. I think either. I v. I had no idea the yankees even drafted sixth and i had heard that the first five six announced so i was pretty disappointed until i got the call from the yankee. Sanidad drafting duda was the first high schooler taken in that year's draft. He was the nineteen ninety-two high school player of the year. Hit over five hundred junior and senior years and struck out only once in his senior year the five players picked ahead of jeter played a total of two thousand seven hundred and one games in the major leagues jeeter alone played two thousand seven hundred forty seven. Nevin was an okay player. He made an all star team and collected over. A thousand major league hits in twelve seasons. And he's now the third base coach for the yankees chew. we also had a decent career. He pitched four hundred. Seventy six games over eleven seasons as reliever wallace never made it to the majors and was out of baseball by nineteen ninety seven and two thousand eleven. He and his wife were arrested for cooking meth so he took a little bit of a different route in life. Heavens played the most years in the majors among the jeeter five over thirteen seasons he hit two seventy two. He finished six in the rookie of the year. Voting in nineteen ninety four and made the all star team in two thousand for colorado but looking at his stats. He definitely got the chorus field. Bump or maybe a bump from something else. The orioles were constantly reminded of their mistake throughout the nineties as they had to watch jeeter torture them and hammond's be just a middling outfielder who they wound up. Trading in nineteen ninety eight matola bounced around to four different teams and appeared in just fifty nine big league games and he's now a coach for the raise. The astros probably get the most flack for not picking jeeter number one overall and part of that is because new house quit and that's a very famous and funny story but i think baltimore might have to look in the mirror and say they made the biggest mistake because they ended up paying the highest signing bonus in the draft and they'd just identified the wrong guy and they had to watch shooter torment them for twenty years. That has to hurt in case you were wondering the ninety two draft also featured some other yankees. Legends johnny damon. Jason giambi row will baez and mike do gene. Who is mike gene. He's the guy the yankees drafted in the twenty fourth round and ended up trading to colorado for joe girardi. There have been twenty seven drafts since nineteen ninety-two and for the yankees. They have not been nearly as notable as selecting jeeter. The rest of the ninety saw the yankees take nine players. In the first in supplemental first rounds the got a total of twelve innings pitched at the major league level of it. Although two of those picks brian buchanan. Eric milton were traded to minnesota along with christine guzman for chuck knob lock. Two of the picks tyrell godwin and mark. Pryor didn't sign their nine hundred ninety nine top pick. David walling left baseball after developing a compulsion to throw repeatedly to first base. When a runner was on he saw sports psychologist for it and was unable to rid the problem. The two thousands were even worse. They had one pick that. I think you can call a success. That was phil hughes. Twenty third overall in two thousand and four the two thousand tens of produce aaron judge from the first round that's great. He was drafted thirty two overall in two thousand thirteen but he wasn't even their first selection that year. That would be eric. Guilio year after year of first round picks have gone to the wayside. David parish john griffith. Cj henry cdo culver. ty hensley. Stopped me if you've heard any of these names. Hey look they drafted garrett cole in two thousand eight and as a shock to nobody he did not sign. It's fair to know that the yankees are drafting at the bottom of the first round every year if at all because they also have lost a ton of picks because they spend big and free agency that comes with the territory of winning and spending so i get it. It's not fair to compare them to say the tampa rays who year after year. We're drafting top five but since drafting jeeter the yankees had eight players. Make the majors who they've drafted in the first or supplemental rounds using judge ryan bradley from the ninety seven draft. He's the guy who pitched twelve innings plus java chamberlain ian kennedy brunson sardinia andrew. Brackman and slade heath cut. That's just not very good. Jeeter is without a doubt. The most significant draft pick in franchise history. He along with the core for fab five or whatever you want to refer to it as turn the yankees into a perennial contender. That is not satisfied with a seventy one season. Netting top draft pick tanking and rebuilding are no longer in the yankees vocabulary. Ninety two is significant. For another reason. It's the last time the yankees had a losing record since then for twenty seven straight seasons. They finished five hundred or better. Once junior debuted in ninety five the team went on an unprecedented modern day playoff run they won five championships and jeeter supplanted his name along with ruth gehrig dimaggio mantle munson and all the other yankees legends judah holds franchise records for games played at bats played. Appearances hits doubles stolen bases a number of times reach base also strikeouts but we can ignore that for now. He's played the most games and racked up. The most hits runs scored and total bases in major league. Baseball postseason history. If you're a yankees fan born in the eighties nineties or two thousands derek. Jeter is probably your favorite player. We can thank dick rock in the five teams that passed on the kid from kalamazoo for that and i also think it's fitting that jeeter won five championships one for every team that passed on them. Thanks for listening. Hunting for his first major league hit and base it into laughter. Now but that ball. Back in the yankee dugout derek. Jeter after going old for six finally as his first major league hit be. I lobby for that young into gary. Judy you gotta run on that one. That's holy cow. Thirty minute rounded at insight pitcher high fastball. Creamed in this league home run. And it's minor league player of the year for two years before this season is rapidly becoming the yankees player of the year as a rookie. Another big hit for derek. Jeter just out of the reach of garciaparra. Dugout erupts for the yankees. The to one swung on head high. In the air that dick left-center football is going to be high. It's gonna be squid slam the first grand slam of gina's career over the love of the two seventy two years new. The yankees all time hits leader. Now it's twenty. Two three thousand deals field single fantasy third base. Rbi for teeter. The yankees lead three nothing. They taught that ball into the yankee dugout. In case it's his last one and that is going to be for derek. Jeter his puddle hidden. Rbi single has jeeter says goodbye to baseball. Hey i'm grandma inviting you to check out. My winning season of american prodigy freddy ado. I talked with teammates coaches in the man himself in hopes of understanding what happened to freddie soccer career in what we can learn from pinning our hopes on a fourteen year old kid. You can listen to it wherever you're listening to this podcast season one of american prodigy available now.

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The Bellwether Alliance

Ghost Town

24:47 min | 8 months ago

The Bellwether Alliance

"Support for this. Podcast comes from progressive. What would you do with an extra eight hundred dollars. Buy a plane ticket. Pay down your student loan. Treat yourself to those shoes. You benign with progressive. You could find out drivers who switch and save save an average of seven hundred ninety six dollars on car insurance get your quote online at progressive dot com and see how much you can be saving national average annual car insurance savings by new customer survey to save with progressive in twenty nineteen. The bellwether are you aligned. I'm rebecca lieb. I'm jason horton and this is a ghost town. This is going to be very unique because the episode was planning on doing i shell because i received an email a few hours ago. That changed everything. He's been teasing me with this since he got here. Like this one's going to be. You're not gonna believe this was going on with this. I'm so ready it. I received an email and i receive a lot of emails and this one really tried to speak to me. I guess if this is bev mo email. I swear to god. That's a bonus in the emails from inquiries and the title says the bellwether are you aligned is inquiries what's the actual email address that you've got this it's inquiries at this email. Thank god and again. This is whatever is some sales thing or some social media thing. I get these emails but it's a mystery. That and i think a little help figuring out what this exactly is okay. I think i can help. I get a lot of emails. And i feel i'm well experienced an email reading and deciphering so it's the bellwether what is that. I don't know it starts with greetings jason. I'm a representative of a private group. Called the bellwether alliance jason. We are under the impression that blank not saying the name. The person is shared a website link which explains a little about who we are. 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Group is not open to the public nomination by another member the only to find the door and gained inclusion to our group so moving forward. Please review the website very closely and complete this brief online questionnaire. It is a simple form nothing to download just credit card number social security number. That's it simple. All my darkest fears this is it. This is the darkest your we designed the questions to get to know if you align with us as a whole if you read into the questions jason you will learn more about who we are and our mission. You'll be allowed three days from the date of the opening of this correspondence to complete the questionnaire beyond that we shall be forced by our laws capital l. to close the open cycle. And we will wish you well and much continued success in the future. Oh my god you look at the questionnaire no you gotta we gotta be christie or now should you accept this nomination to complete the questionnaire and the a lot of time we'll review which is move forward. The alliance will invite you to a call. See much more information. The initial meetings daytime depend on the country. You reside in generally a thursday evening. Okay okay are you with us. Ana are you in french polynesia. Are you an akron thursday. Evening little at the bottom. Do the thing you're afraid to do. And the death of fear is certain. Ralph waldo emerson. Whoa now i wanna put this out there i. The purpose of this is not for me to disparage whatever this is nor to promote now. I don't know anything about it. I don't know what it consists of. How nefarious it might need. How benign it might be. I have no idea my purpose isn't let me make fun of this email. This is important to somebody else. I think that's great. I just found it very interesting concerned what we talk about on here. Yeah yeah i i agree it. It feel the jargon. It's like old english terminology. Pepperdine to vega -ties. Is that a word like the idea of our writing the sentences and they mean nothing at least seem serious and we want to create this gravitas around. Whatever we're trying to sell you what you're not telling you yet because we want to screen you a little bit more now. Let's assume that it's not some ponzi scheme. Wore some wealth growth thing the e. The website is very grand. It's big oh. Yeah it's big and i don't know anything about it. The name of the person that contacted me. The names vaguely familiar. Like a lot of people in us. We've met a lot of different people in different circles. And i just don't recall. I don't remember. But i feel comfortable talking about on pockets like they said we know about you and your business when you should know that this would be something that i would talk about so i don't feel guilty i wanna i don't wanna make fun of someone's thing just to be like that aren't jam. Also it. is that an email that to you. Cold is really. It is inviting some scrutiny. But apparently this person who just not naming for. I don't know it's just i just didn't feel comfortable naming person i don't know if it's somebody i know who i don't know how they got my email. That's the real name. There's somebody that is named as the person who nominated yes. I have the nominated me. Tell me selling out. Tell me do you know this person islands now. Maybe that's great now. I owe her favor. Since i was like i would have picked different favor. Yeah exactly but i. This is also a highlights. The difference between you. And i. Because you're like i don't wanna get too involved in some crazy and i'm like dude the questionnaire i would you have to do the questionnaire you have to see this through a little bit just so i don't forget a review. I got a follow up email. Not long after that and this is an email from said person just to me no subject what is truly psychotic s. Hello jason but it's from the bellwether alliance email but this person's specific wasn't from inquiries. Know this person. I don't know i don't know if i know this person. Wait i'm confused. Did was there a name. Yes but i don't you don't know them personally. Not that i know of sounds vaguely familiar. But like i said i yeah circles like who knows what it could be so. That's the sort of thing that makes perfect sense why they would do that. Makes sense to me that you would vaguely another name. And then of course you get involved in some weird shit. Hello jason let me know if you have any questions or concerns regarding the nomination or the nomination process very best blank. Now i will say that. From what i gather. Their headquarters is in florida which i found to be clearwater florida. Is this a scientology branch. It's not clear florida now. Okay i'm not gonna say where you want to find that you can The the web's open there's an opiate. I was just looking at it right now. But it's yeah it's pretty wild. Still what about the credo. Do you want another credo. I want to know the credo. all right. are we gonna nominate me. Will you join us to nominate me. Honestly i have not seen one female mentioned in this as far as the people that are influencers ord. I'm saying i'm usually what influences not like a social media influence. Yeah so the credo. We must commit to achieve excellence while maintaining integrity honesty. Trust and respect. On emperor to roman numeral two we shall adhere to moral and ethical code that exceeds the minimum requirements set forth by our local and federal laws three we must demonstrate a clear priority for effecting positive change over the accumulation of wealth. Okay so this is a philanthropic group. We strive to contribute towards a higher level education. That promotes freethinking without oppression. We must always treat others with respect. Honor free from discrimination regardless of race gender religion national origin physical condition known women involved. In this this libertarian but again not passing judgment. I don't know it's for you to decide. I want to do some sleuthing. Honestly if anyone who listens to this has any experience with this group please. I beg you. This is why i'm doing this. Because i'm i haven't reach egging you. We shall be generous with their own time and resources in order to contribute to the positive progression of humanity. All these things on paper saint fire we will give our fellow man the benefit of the doubt free from judgment to strengthen pro trust within our social and business communities we must be willing to graciously accept the mistakes of others we shall teach and mentor others in the principle of this credo above all we must practice the golden rule and show love and respect for fellow man. Yeah but we all agree. It's they're not like mom murdering people's okay like all these. It'd be nice to people show people kindness. Treat others with respect and they'll treat like okay and when do you ask me for money. You don't understand. But in the money's act. Yeah so. I'll get a little more into the website after this quick break support for this. Podcast comes from cdw and hp cdw. We get the future of secure. You works differently. Loves that work from home. But he's not a guard dog that's okay. Hp elitebook laptops powered by intel core processors and orchestrated by cdw have built in security features to protect you from threats. Wherever you are intruder he just wants to go out again. It orchestration by cdw people who get it find out more at cdw dot com slash hp security. The bellwether alliance website is interesting. It's ornate it's it's it's mason secret society. It's the attorney the group we didn't episode on the with a like the leaders and stuff like that to retreat the international house of worship and growth. Yes okay it gives me vibes of bohemia robots. But i i do those vibes. We did an episode on that in our early days Yeah i'm actually digging this website. I'm looking at it right now. It's got everything i want. It's got some really like flourish fonts. It's got a kind of naturalistic kind of core. Bay esque painting behind it wisdom of the elders. It's very natural. List is very okay okay. I'm in it. There's a little crown that says. Welcome to the bellwether alliance. It feels special and then there's just like a wall of text. There's a. There's so much text even. I'm looking at elevation. Laws and principles organization openly shares. These fifty two secret harmonious laws principles all of which pertain to elevations and improvement. There's so many organization objectives. Yeah the purpose of the society. A lot of quotes from plato value alignment metaph metaphysical relationships. Yeah to in mind. Matter and probability the absence of resistance success laws and principles but then they have these influencers. This influence paid. It's called influential people. Yes but like. I said it's henry. Ford thomas edison plato. Simon bolivar isaac news smith. George washington i. It was actually going to list like people that were in it. It's here's famous people that we admire like i'm stein was successful. Let's put him on the website and then the secret laws and principles again. They don't tell you what they are. Maybe you have to be a part. The law of abundance the principle of prison. There's so many islambad cycles. Yeah aw the harvesters. The last one the law of the lever the law of the lever the lever long investor. The lady law the rabbits. So it's intriguing. It's cool it's cool to. There's something about this. That really appeals to me in that it's up it's on asshole so hard though it looks pretty good and it's full of vague shit that clearly want to know more about and i didn't know i did know it. Deep dives did no message boards searches so any information from this point forward will be new information for me even administration. It's just all very vague. Who what your classes the almanac. Here's the mavens gentry. The ghost hound patriots. Yeah they're exactly although we don't have as high of a threshold you don't have to be nominated to be on our page region council seat practitioners of bellwether principles. It goes on and it just kind of an endless loop and become a member invitation. Only right here. Do you wanna nominate. Somebody like get nominated but okay. Are you going to do the questionnaire you can do this. Show i do the questionnaire. Yes oh my god yes in then you get the call any report back and we do a follow up seven on how this all plays out. This is what we want. Give the people what they want. Complete this brief online questionnaire. I don't see any. I doubt it's brief. I see nowhere to click it. Let's see maybe it's the viceroy's wait a minute. There's some audio should i play it. Yes oh my god hold on. Jeez i don't know what this is also hold on a lawn. Oh it's a sample monthly call. Okay i'm going to take the headphones on hold on okay. Now if my kid get on everybody knew them spell unless you're talking because as he gets much feedback we can hardly hear the person. Let's go ahead. And maybe mute ourselves and then we can start. I really appreciate that very considerate. Who wants to start. Maybe if you're new or you have experienced or you've been doing business in bellwether. We'd love to about her. June meeting embassador meeting at the weather now that year so the great group of people everybody met in the personally naked when have been ethical. Neural mark county people see. This is an hour. Twenty twenty-five lemme skift ford older. Anyway and i on an online marketing company clutch thirty years now and our main services or thank by ban and social media. Were skip ahead. Where's the sacrifice one of the most amazing years of my life so far in the amount of people that have met veg short period of time. Hand how can we connect with you. Personally yeah yeah you can reach out to me on lincoln or or done done so it has a vibe of wealth growth which we have seen things like nexium right. Yeah it all starts like that lamb. It has a little bit of that or teaching leaders how to lead because you need other people and if we put it in a organized way in a way we hearken back to the i don't know the past will find our way there that's my assumption. And that's what. I thought when he mentioned a lot about money and they mentioned about wealth now and ethics and and such is that is the sample call to draw people in that hour and twenty minute. Long call a bumbling call with lots of technological glitches so to find out if you align seven-minute question here to see if you're in alignment. We designed the questions to get to know you as a whole and the questions will teach you more about who we are and what our mission is. Okay i'm first name last name. Who nominated you best number to reach you. Timezone country list five or six words that others would use to describe you what business solutions do provide. Not what prompted you. Solve anything that i thought was sexy about. This has been yeah. This is all unfolding in real. Are you an authority in your space funk. Does that even mean. It's a little bit of double speak of providing value award in your space. Yeah about being like a of this turns like thought leader and a change of angeles. I've worked with so many people that are involved. I can't even. I just have a visceral reaction to the not my bag not my jam. Chronicity like this network shit yes. It's very business no matter what the business is if if that's your jam that's great fi monks performing rituals on thursday nights. What does success mean to you. one low to five. Hi how your self esteem. What are you doing to institute a positive change. How teachable are you. Do you donate regularly. Are you a leader. What are your five year goals. You currently suffer any conditions or afflictions that may require immediate attention or intervention. if yes what is your overall health rate one to five. Do you enjoy seeing other succeed if you had. Access limits excess resources. What would you do with them if you have a mentor or the key lessons you've learned so what i'm gathering is they provide like what's keeping you back or the lack of resources and the lack of mentorship and support and we've seen this in any high in timing and i am not saying i'm not saying it's an mlm of not saying policies but it's the same again. I think this hits me. Because i'm not really like a joint. I'm not really like a big organization person. Like i'm not like sororities and fraternities for me like i can't like i would not be a part of that so to extend that into professional space like a lot of organizations. Do it gets me i. I can't lie and it works through amazing but off. How much money do they want in sync or backstreet boys. I was like how does that really. Don't even make me ask. If you can eliminate one condition on earth. what would it be. Do you regularly mentor. Share your knowledge with others. I consider myself to be a blank public speaker. Where two things you attempt to accomplish. More influence what your way. More than seven minutes morning daily routines. I consider myself to be blanket your morning routine. Fuck off. sorry. I have a boner for this secret society. Now really just combated. What's the one thing that make you feel the most. Make the most positive global impact. What do you think is important you to gain personal wealth and why what three years need to grow in. How do you see your ethics core values. I'll you money to stop talking about this now. Just go to patriot dot com slash ghost town pod. And you can make that happened. If accepted how proactive would you be making the world. a better place for humanity. All fields mark with an astro astro are required. They all marked with an asterisk. Is pretty much yeah. It's you know so we again. I don't know because also the thing is and i'm not saying in this case it is all start like this. They all start with. Yeah get people to mentor. Toria people that are experts. You put them all together and if you had that what your potential. What is your potential at that point. And that's probably what this is. And i don't know but i have a feeling that i don't know what would it would take to get a rejection. I don't either. I i think at the end of this and i still still a tiny part of me that wants you fill this out and see what happens next but i know the next part is the money part will accept you. I'm surprised that they even do this only by invitation. I think that probably makes it. If anyone's familiar with the clubhouse map invitation only an interesting interference smell at that little sense of inclusivity and being like in the know and probably whoever whoever put together this website did the work. Like you know what. I would meant toward but the person who made this website absolutely. You know it's horrible upsets out there. This one is. This one's got some dignity. It's really good. It's really smart and interesting straight up garbage but like someone garbage polish it up put a pretty picture behind found a snappy font. I was asked to join another group years ago. This was a little more straightforward. It's literally do you remember fire fest. Yeah do you remember. The thing they were trying to create was again. I don't know what it was. Were they were like with the credit card. And you get you could be like. Oh if you're in our thing we'll get you tickets for the knicks court courtside. I the baby fire fast scam. Yes i was asked to join one of them. And i actually spoke to them and i knew was like something where i was like. If it's maybe it's legitimate maybe it's not but it's an expensive thing to join and i think people assume that i was like some kind of high roller or i was connected to a lot of people and i guess maybe i was. But we're part of this is hey listen. I need tickets to the blank. Ion dinner reservations at the iv express. Not like that the way that they're marketing it but you'll get perks for certain things but it's the same if you watch the fire fest when they talk about. I think he did that after that where he had a group where he was like. Oh hey you know where you belong to you pay into this thing so you can get these hard to find tickets these vaca- all the things that are difficult this group can get for you and i was. Yeah i was asked to join one of those years ago. A couple of and you didn't know god only scam. I've been asked to participate in is like college. This episode is brought to you by ten ten. Now you may have read about this in the new york times. Oh forbes and we're excited to tell you about ten. Ten is an exclusive collection of ten one of kind engagement rings designed by ten of the most distinctive designers working today using only diamonds responsibly. 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