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"bryan winchester" Discussed on Today in Focus

Today in Focus

03:36 min | 10 months ago

"bryan winchester" Discussed on Today in Focus

"Alabama. Speaking Hi ban is in Asia. I think if the former Bam ben Howlett is the ultimate Tori remainder. I am hoppy by BREX. He joined the party as a teenager. Excited by David Cameron Socially Liberal Agenda and is on the wing of the party that calls itself One Nation you became the MP for bath in two two thousand fifteen and then lost the just two years later. What happened voted remain? My constituents voted remain. But that didn't matter At least to them it was all about making sure that their voices had relation remaining in the EU and the Conservatives went. That's as you're still arm making that case he's and then let's be on later people on your side of the Party a walking away from the Conservative Party under Boris Johnson. Some of them actually joining the Liberal Democrats. That's why you still a story. I mean the Conservative Party has moved to the right at anything we can describe it and then the other way and the party that I've worked very hard for over the is to go in the way that the current leadership of the Conservative Party is going on stage in my future life. I believe that the Conservative Party not will want more represent the Cameron Ism liberal conservatism. That China signed up for it at the beginning. And I'm not prepared to run away from that. 'cause it sounds sounds like your hanging on by fingernails ban. What you do enjoy in this election so I'm helping out with friends of mine who I was campaigning with some of the European the in rebellions when I was in parliament nation conservative? MP's who want to see returned into parliament to carry on making that voice clear to a executive government is moving more to the right okay. So you're traveling around trying to help the type of people you want to keep in the polity. Where are you going? So I'm I'm off to Wimbledon of two wister. I've been helped with a few friends in other seats but next to winchester to help out. Always Steve Bryan. Winchester is a pretty affluent constituency in Hampshire quite close to the South Christ iced on paper the Tory should hold onto it but interestingly it's on this list of forty five seats I've been given by the poster show twin. That could be at risk. That's because six out of ten people in Winchester voted remain in two thousand and sixteen the lip dams are in second place but tactical voting could help them. Labor is way behind hair and the Green party has even stepped aside to help them Lynch Michael Essence on a deputy prime minister on the job major goals his edging people Ulta by conservative the Balti as a lifelong bachelor activist. And he's edgy tonight. Liberal Democrats in there is not an independent confirmed of mb that they can vote for as on June so called on morning. It's amazing we've breached appoint Conservatives grandee Michael Heseltine who we know Braley really doesn't like Brexit is on the today programme in an election campaign Jing Tori remains like him to vote for the lip dams. I mean that's why we'd come to winchester. It's a conservative held Z.. But the Liberal Democrats of very very close in the polls and they WANNA win over those. Tory remains.

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"bryan winchester" Discussed on Dateline NBC

Dateline NBC

06:23 min | 1 year ago

"bryan winchester" Discussed on Dateline NBC

"Denise williams was standing trial for first degree murder conspiring in the death of her first husband mike uh and who was she accused of conspiring with why her now ex husband number two and mike's best friend brian winchester he would be the state star witness against against required to testify to every grisly detail prosecutors john fuchs and andy rogers new their star witness came with some baggage. You guys have after worry whether the jury is going to hate your star witness bryant. There's no question that we're going to hear that from day. One was obvious <hes> we hate them. They walk out. They don't believe believe bryan winchester. She walks now here. He was ryan winchester looking haggard and drawn after almost two years in jail on the kidnapping charged. It's about to tell his story of duck hunting sex and murder. We connected like nobody else. I'm brian said he and denise had been secret lovers for three years. Before mike williams was murdered. The more we were together the more we wanted to be together. It just snowballed so fast that within two years denise and bryan were plotting cutting. Mike so-called accident on lake seminal. I think there was even talk about you know. It'll be up to god what happens not us. It won't be a murderer. It'll be an accident to most people. Divorce would have been a better solution but brian said denise a devout christian didn't want to endure the stigma because of the the way. She was raised because of her pride. I guess she did not want to get divorced. I mean we wanted to be together and and we weren't going to let anything. Stop that better to be a killer than divorce. I a widow gets sympathy and on top of that she gets one point seven five million million dollars so the weekend of the wedding anniversary became d. day bryant testified. Mike was not hunting alone. He was along as early morning doc hunting buddy. They pushed off the plan was to make it look like mike drowned in a boating accident. The murder weapon would be mike's waiters. We believe i believe that if you fell overboard with the waiters on that you would think pretty quickly we got to that area that i knew was a deep area basically stop the boat and got him to to stand up and when he did i pushed him into the water. He was is in the water and he was struggling. I pulled pulled off just a little bit to get kind of away from him so that he couldn't reach back into the boat and i didn't know it at the time. I didn't know if he who is trying to swim or i didn't know what was going on but but what i came to find out or eventually realized was he was taken the waiters in the jacket jacket off. Mike made it to a tree stump and clung for dear life. That's when bryant decided to change the player and he was paying again and i was panicking and not this was like going well. I thought it was going to go. He was he started to yell and so i had my gun in the boat sal loaded my gun and i just i made one or two circles around and i ended up circling closer towards him he was in the water has passed by. They shot him had autopsy. X ray showed buckshot throughout mike's six head as the details emerged in court cheryl was struck yet another blow what's hard for me. Now is what i found out in court which how oh he was murdered. It's horrible star. They told me the only consolation i could have was michael didn't feel keepers risque brian said after blasting mike with his twelve gauge he grabbed his lifeless body and steered the boat shore and push the boat back out into the water to make it look like eah drowned or disappear onshore he stuff mike's body into a dog great in the back back of his truck and drove back to tallahassee where he found an isolated area to bury his friend later that day when brian got a call from his father saying mike was missing the two drove to lake seminal. There was a storm that came through that night. <hes> you know my dad. I justice.

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"bryan winchester" Discussed on 850 WFTL

850 WFTL

09:34 min | 1 year ago

"bryan winchester" Discussed on 850 WFTL

"Gun and I ended up circling closer towards them. And he was in the water has passed by Sean. Oh my God. In the face. Okay. So here's what happened do not hard. It is to shoot. Somebody just one shot. Anybody just in my world in the in the farming world? There are many times, like baby animals will will be suffering. So instead of calling vet to come out and charge me hundreds of dollars to put set animal down. We usually shoot him. Okay. I know it's a horrible thing to say, but you know it's much easier to shoot an animal in kill it other than watch suffer. And if you shoot it in the head, it's pretty quick. So it and I have to tell you, I had to shoot a baby pig. It is the most horrifying thing in the world to do. So I can't imagine shooting your best friend in the face while he's looking at you that are riffing. Yeah. In here you I mean he's you can tell he's crying. Vote so loaded my gun and I ended up circling closer towards him. And he was in the longer has passed by Sean. Oh my God. So here's the thing. He didn't have his gun loaded. They're shooting ducks. I guess it was a handgun water. Well, here's what happened. Yes. He disowned there in the canoe in lake seminal, right? And there's are those, those cypress knees. You know, the stumps that stick out of the water, right? Okay. So he pushes. This poor guy into the water and he's wearing his waiters, you know, and always those with suck you down, while they filled with water. Yeah, he took them off. That's why there's no bites on the waiters. He took them off. And, and so Brian sees Mike, do this, and then he and then his hunting license was in the pocket of the waiters so they found that in his hat came off. So he then grabbed onto one of those cypress knees. So serious life Brian's, like damnit. He's clinging for life. He's, he's not drowning. So that's when he decides he's got to shoot them. Oh my. I mean okay. You have an option there. You don't have to shoot him. You can go over and save fifty through off the boat. That's horrible though. Right. So he shoots him. And then he has to pull him back in the canoe ever tried to move dead. Well, very difficult. No. I'm just talking about like the people passed out in front of me ever. Tried to move somebody's pants. It's they way, like ten times as much as they really way it seems I have never shot a pig in the head. And I've never tried to move dead weight. You need to spend more time with me Missy. And so, you know, all of this has been discussed in our previous podcast, one hundred and one ways year to of a body. First thing is don't tell anybody. Just telling you, buddy, you can always go back to that, one to find out more on that topic. But this guy didn't listen yet because we never would've told you to dump them in the water, and then shoot him somewhere and make them drown pose them into the canoe. And then he takes them back to land. And then he goes and buries him in a shallow grave. Ask how double these cops that they didn't find seventeen union a evidence on the boat. Did they not look at the boat? Did they not look at this map did they not fight a gun? Will they didn't find the man he was completely missing? Remember like with Isabelle, Hellman case in Delray, the woman that fell off the sailboat with the vote, the guy I never found the body, nobody know crying. There's no body, what they do. He buried it somewhere sounds. So what he said, was that. Denise was the mastermind. Okay. And here's Denise Williams, defense attorney and opening arguments began by saying that there is no student about the fact that Mike Williams was murdered. The evidence is going to show the end any doubt, but he was shot in the face and killed by Bryan Winchester, a man. He thought was his friend shot him in the face. Brian Winchester was given full immunity, while in the murder, he committed, so he could help the state take down to niece. Here's her attorney again, Chester is not on trial. In fact, he's never been charged with the murder. He will be able to testify as he pleases about this without any fear that the state will be able to use that testimony against him. But he's here's a witness and he's going to testify that Denise Williams. Helped him plan the murder Bryant. Winchester's testimony is totally uncorroborated. Wow. So yeah, the police believed him. When do you did? I believe him back. I'd be I'd be like the mom. I don't be all because we, we laid that foundation, the alligators don't eat the whole body. No, but I mean, do you think that this guy acted in cahoots with his girlfriend at the time a girl planned it all? Mutually planned it here is he's back on the stand spry Winchester monitor and say that to plan everything, and I was just a dome guy who went along with what she wanted to do. I instigated a lot of it. I helped come up with ideas. I planted a lot of things. But overall it was very neutral humming. We wanted to be together. All right. If I'm a prosecutor, I hear this guy say this. I'm livid at this point. I just gave this guy immunity, and he's, he's willingly admitting he helped plan the murder of his best friend, and they let him walk just so they could get the woman or was it because the insurance company didn't want to pay the one point seven five million dollars. Well, here's part of that she kept paying on the life insurance policy. Even though Mike are has been the dead guy wanted to let it lapse. Oh, well, there you told it to them. There's your motive right there. Okay. Is money. So she this was premeditated. So oh big time. And so, and Winchester, Mary, Denise five years after he died, and she had already gotten the money. Yes, 'cause I. I would assume once he was pronounced dead. The, you know, the insurance company rights, you check right away. You can take seven years, but they must have done it earlier. But before she married him guess what she made him do. So I had a pre NUP. Probably going to say you're going to have any money I thought I would do before the nuptials. Yeah. She couple million bucks here. It's a lot of money before the nuptial. She made Brian get baptized to wash the sin of the murder off him while she's not this woman. She made him take a years worth of marriage counseling. What about her? I know. That, that is that is guilt. Anyway, getting back to where murder here. Okay. So Winchester, Bryan. Winchester, ready name right? He shot him with a Winchester in the face. Is best friend. Mike, Mike Williams, right. Denise Williams is the widow who gets all the money she makes his poor guy Winchester, the lover before she marries go through a year of counseling. And what was the other thing? Two two. Admonish him for in clear cleanse them of the murder. What a wacko. This woman is an eastern married her. He's an idiot. He's an idiot, he married her and then things went south, they got real sour, and she wanted to leave him. And so he takes her, and he kidnaps her puts a gun to her head a good thing. He's a little bit crazy. Call Trump's being around her. I'd be crazy to this woman's nut. She must think she's bulletproof because why would you call the cops you know, he's gonna turn on what why would you think he would keep that Confidencial these veasley because she figured she had, you know, by they wouldn't believe she was part of it. 'cause he sold the insurance policy. He shot him in the face. He buried the guy. Yeah, but she got the money. They both did well, they were married, so she could argue that. So, so this guy gets on the stand did they find her guilty. Tell me they find. Okay. So the Circuit Judge. She was this year. It was this year she was convicted of helping mastermind the killing of her husband nearly two decades ago and she sends to life in prison, plus the Circuit Judge sentenced Denise Williams. Additionally to thirty years for conspiracy to commit murder, she's in there forever, and the guy that pulled the trigger he's out in twenty years for kidnapping her in he'll be out in ten for good behavior. Not sooner. So he let me tell you, he he's a force to be reckoned with if you can easily ply man into killing your husband. This is dangerous. For you. I wouldn't let him I wouldn't want to be anywhere near this man when he gets out either. That's horrible. What he did he shoved him in the water he didn't drown. This is his best friend. How do you know how hard that is to, to somebody? He paddled back by him or maybe had a little electric motor and he's the, the guy's probably to help me. Raymond fay. So he leads police to the body. Well, we'll bones now because I would assume after seventeen years, not much left where the waiters with them just out of curiosity. He took the vest and waiters off in the water. That's right. And he gave those the cops right? I'm sorry with the license follow the story here. Just okay. I'm sorry. So they found the body, they dug it up, and it had a bullet hole right in the middle of the head face to face. No, I think he had a handgun he had his duck Conte, Dino, the duck hunting rifle. I don't know about shooting ducks. But I think it has this big pattern just like the duck breaks spray. So I think he also had a handgun. So he obviously had planned be this guy's evil to. And he said he had a loaded here. He is again. I saw loaded my gun.

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"bryan winchester" Discussed on 850 WFTL

850 WFTL

05:27 min | 1 year ago

"bryan winchester" Discussed on 850 WFTL

"This is why I'm here. I'm comic relief. I love that sound by not Romy but I like that you're here because you know what you're talking about. Okay, continue didn't believe knew this guy. So all of a sudden, seventeen years later. A huge break in the case broker. Seventeen years seventeen years, we're talking about two years ago thousand seventeen this happens. Okay. So get this. So Mike who's dead? His former friend Bryan. Winchester actually married William's, widow Denise five years after he disappeared and was eaten by gator, convenient and married. My best friend's widowed wife. Okay. So they were having marital problems. And she wanted a divorce and tried to leave him. So he objected her at gunpoint only in the garage. Nice guy. Okay. She called the police. Oh, probably not a good idea. He got convicted of kidnapping armed kidnapping and was sentenced to twenty years. Okay. And let me guess, Mr. I was in the duck boat with my friend who fell overboard and get eaten by alligators story for you. Let me tell you, you take ten years off my sentence. I could give you the world. How about you? Don't charge me at all for the murder. i only get twenty years for the kidnapping and i will give you denise williams the poor morning we do see what happens you know this is why i tell you when you want the perfect murder you can't tell any play there's no statute of limitations on murder my friends so seventeen years later this guy goes crazy when the wife who was his ex best friends who got eaten by the alligator allegedly wife mary sir they're having problems seventeen years later she goes to leave him he won't let her he kidnaps her she calls the cops he gets arrested for kidnapping now he says i got a story for you if you take the murder charge off the table turns on her while how okay gotcha unbelievable right oh this is fascinating it's this is a great movie it's a right it's really well and so so yeah he doesn't get any time he's he's actually he gets immunity with impunity okay but for The murder not for the kidnap, right. But he still has to serve the kidnapping charges. Okay. Here's twenty years. Okay. So these two met so Bryan Winchester and Denise Williams. It's a love triangle. Okay. And he's remember. Brian is best friends with with Williams. With denies Mike Williams her first husband. Yeah. Okay. But when he went duck hunting with right. And they all went to a concert sister. What's a sister Hazel sister, Hazel color? They're out of Boca. They. Okay. Well, they went to that concert, and while Mike and Brian Winchester's wife for parking the car. Brian and started kissing at the concert. Oh, so that way. Ming sister Hazel for all of this sparks flew. Okay. And they. Sued the big affair ensued, and it was hot and heavy and. And what happened? Okay. So this went hot and heavy these two that are both married. So Denise Williams who's married to Mike Williams who allegedly got eaten by the alligator, she and Brian Winchester, who's married to. Yes, he married, what happened his wife. He dumped her off in the boat. He did borscht her. Okay. Yeah. Okay. She just went okay, just wanted to make sure she didn't fall, the duck boat as well. Okay. Now. So. The affair ensued. And then they both wanted to be together, according to Brian and he takes the stand at Denise Williams trial. And he said, you know, his was both of our ideas to get rid of him. And he said he of came up with the idea, because he and his friend, Mike had gone hunting before and Mike fell in a hole had, like quicksand in it. Oh, jeez. Yeah. And so that was like died, if Brian wasn't there. Okay. So he goes back, and he tells Denise boy, this would be really easy because he almost died today as she did not want a divorce. She would rather have been a widow live or say and follow the money. This is this is Brian on the stand in her murder trial better to be a rich with her than a divorcee and her her biggest concern with the divorce was. She didn't want to share custody of Ansley with, with. My all they had a child. Well, this woman was diabolical. Well get this. Prosecutors argued that she plotted to kill her husband in a scheme to get one point seven million dollars in life insurance, the pale, get this, the life insurance that her lover sold to her Brian's. I also eight boyfriend that she's having the affair with, who's also husband's best friend is the life insurance policy. Guy. Are you kidding? No. This isn't get any better than this is going to make a great movie. Oh man. It is. What is wrong with fable? So she faced first degree murder conspiracy to commit murder an accessory after the fact after her lover revealed that her husband Mike Williams was murdered by him. And this is how did he did? He really feed them the allegation. Okay. So here's what happened. Here's the real story. This is Mike on this. This is excuse me. Brian Winchester on the stand go vote, so loaded my.

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"bryan winchester" Discussed on Court Junkie

Court Junkie

06:10 min | 1 year ago

"bryan winchester" Discussed on Court Junkie

"Testify. In his closing arguments. Assistant state's attorney John Fuchs put a PowerPoint presentation on the screen and went over the things the jury knows for sure about the case he said, they know that Mike Williams was murdered. And that he was murdered by Brian. He said they know that Brian had been in love with Denise for a long time and that Brian and Denise had gotten married in December two thousand five thirteen days from Denise and Mike's wedding anniversary. He said, they know that Mike had multiple life insurance policies all of which Denise was the sole beneficiary of and that the million dollar policy was drafted by Brian the summer prior to the murder the question, you have he said to the jury is how does Denise that into the murder? He brought up the testimony from Brian's friend, Steven Manoukian who said that Brian had specifically told him after the kidnapping that he had kidnapped in east because she was about. To tell the police which he knows about Mike's murder that was prior to his arrest. He said he brought up the message that Denise had asked Kathy to give Brian's dad, quote, tell Marcus to tell Brian that I didn't say anything he said, those two facts prove that she was an accessory after the fact. For the conspiracy charge. He admitted that they would have to rely on Brian's testimony, but said his testimony was corroborated. He said Denise also had the motive follow the money. He said Brian wasn't the beneficiary. She was and she only waited nineteen days before she applied to get the money nineteen whole days that's a cold individual. That's a person involved in a homicide. He said as for how Denise is guilty of the actual murder. He said she is by law, a principal, quote, if the defendant helped another person or persons commit the crime of first degree murder. The defendant is a principal and must be treated as if she had done all the things the other person. Did he said Denise had a conscious intent that the crime be committed and said that she encouraged and assisted Brian in committing that crime. He added that according to the law to be a principal. She does not have to be present. When the crime is committed. She is in fact, a principal. He said he also asked the jury to consider her lack of emotion as the evidence was presented in his closing arguments. Denise attorney Ethan way ask the jury to remove any taint of Bryan Winchester from the evidence. They heard if you take Bryan Winchester out of the things that have been presented to you. You have nothing. He said he told the jury that there's no tangible evidence that implicates Denise and Mike's murder. He said this case was investigated over numerous years by numerous agencies. The government always thinks that it's the spouse. He said, they're always the suspect but take out Brian Winchester. And what do you have? He said you have a couple of concert tickets, you have testimony that in nineteen ninety eight Angela went out with Brian and the next morning Denise gave her a dirty. Look, you have testimony of a truck parked at a church, but that wasn't in. Nieces he said, and he pointed out that Angela had lived nearby too. And Bryan could have been with her all of that didn't amount to anything everything presented by the state standing on its own doesn't prove anything. He then addressed the kidnapping again. He said Brian was going to do God knows what to Denise with tarp and a gun, and then he questioned why if Brian really knew this deep Dirk secret about Denise having planned her husband's murder. Why would Denise then go to the police and turn him in? And if she ever had any suspicions that Brian had killed Mike wouldn't she have turned him into the police for that? He said the state bought Brian story for that. The jury doesn't have to after deliberating for eight hours the jury returned with their verdicts. Verses that the niece Williams. We the jury fantas follows as kale one of the indictment. The defendant is guilty of conspiracy to commit first grade murder as to count to the jury and the defendant is guilty of first grade murder, but the jury fan as follows has count three of indictment that event is guilty of accessory after the fact of first degree murder guilty of all charges and since she was convicted of murder, she will face an automatic life sentence. After the trial the nieces attorneys filed three motions one asking for new trial, another one seeking an acquittal and a third requesting to interview six of the jurors. In the motion asking for a new trial. Ethan way ruled that there isn't enough evidence to support a guilty verdict and said they have concerns about how the prosecutor told the jury to consider Denise 's lack of emotion during the trial in their motion to interview six of the jurors. They referenced a new story from after the trial that indicated that one of the jurors said they considered Denise 's demeanor and reaction in their verdicts. Denise is scheduled to be officially sentenced in February. As always I'd love to hear what you think about this case. Do you think Denise was involved in the planning of Mike's murder? Did you find Brian's testimony to be credible? Do you think you would have convicted if you were on the jury you can let me know by emailing me at podcast at court junkie dot com or tweeting me at court junkie pod. And just a reminder if you'd like to hear these episodes early and add free, please consider donating as little as a dollar a month by going to court junkie dot com slash support. 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"bryan winchester" Discussed on Court Junkie

Court Junkie

06:20 min | 1 year ago

"bryan winchester" Discussed on Court Junkie

"Trigger. When word got around later that afternoon that Mike was missing the Florida wildlife commission along with Mike's friends and family started searching for him. They found his boat which had washed up on the west shore and his Bronco and trailer. They knew Mike had gone hunting that morning, but they were under the impression that he had gone alone. And they had no idea why he hadn't returned. The days passed, and the searches continued the community felt for my ex-wife Denise and their young daughter, adding to the tragedy was the fact that Mike in Denise had plans to celebrate their sixth wedding anniversary on the day. Mike had gone missing. There were extensive searches at lake summit all searches that Brian participated in with everyone around him believing that he was distraught. Desperate and willing to stop at nothing to find his best friend nothing turned up until six months after Mike's disappearance. When suddenly a pair of waiters a jacket a flashlight and a hunting license belonging to Mike was found. But there was something odd about the items all of them were an excellent condition. They certainly didn't look like they had been in the water for six months and the flashlight even still worked. But despite how hard they searched. Mike's body was never recur. Covered. Investigators seem to believe that there had been a tragic boating accident that Mike had gone hunting alone and that his boat had hit a stump causing him to go overboard, and drown in his waiters. And perhaps they couldn't find his body because it had been eaten by alligators. They repeated this theory to reporters. One week. After Mike's personal belongings were found his wife Denise filed a petition in court. She cited the fact that his clothing and hunting license had been found and asked to have him legally declared dead there were life insurance policies, totaling more than one point five million dollars. And Denise had a family to support after all, Mike and Denise had also grown up together. And we're high school sweethearts, Mike was the popular football player and Denise the pretty cheerleader. They graduated high school in nineteen eighty eight attended Florida State University and married in nineteen ninety four. Those who knew Mike knew him to be hard working before he had even graduated. Mike accepted a position as a property appraiser. By all accounts. Mike was a devoted husband and father. He and Denise welcome to baby girl in nineteen ninety nine. She was just eighteen months old when Mike disappeared. In some cases. This might be the end of the story a presumed boating accident with the ongoing theory that Mike spotty was tragically eaten by alligators and his family, his devastated wife and young daughter left to pick up the pieces without him. But that's not where this story ends at all. In fact, it picks up about five years later when much many people following the cases surprise Mike's wife. Denise Mary's Mike's best friend and killer, Bryan Winchester. It was something of a shock to investigators had opened up a cold case investigation into Mike's disappearance. Sure, it could be that Mike's best friend and wife had grown close while comforting each other over their laws or it could be something more sinister. But investigators didn't have any physical evidence to prove that anything was amiss with Mike disappearance back when Mike I went missing the initial team of investigators didn't find anything suspicious about it. And any items they found that had belonged to Mike had long been returned to his family. But still they told reporters that they no longer believed that there had been an accident that they now suspected foul play and even had suspects in mind, and it wasn't just the investigators who had their suspicions. Mike's mother Cheryl was convinced that her son hadn't just died in a boating accident, and she wasn't about to be quiet about her suspicions either. In may two thousand six she took out an ad in the Tallahassee democrat with a picture of Mike and a large headline that read. My son is missing please help me. Find him the ad went on to say quote on the morning of December sixteenth two thousand my son. Jerry, Michael Williams, supposedly went duck hunting at lake Seminole in Snead's, Florida. He never returned at the time of Mike's disappearance. He was thirty one years old. He had duck hunted at lake Seminole for many years when he did not return from hunting that day the thirties. Assumed he drowned and that alligators eight his body. No criminal investigation was done at the time. The ad continued quote eighty people have drowned in lake Seminole since the late eighteen hundreds Mike spotty is the only one that has never been found. Reptile experts have told me that alligators don't hunt or eat in December because the water is to colds. I do not believe my son died in like some all. Cheryl Williams, also worked with the reporter at the Tallahassee democrat to keep Mike's name in the news. She would give various tidbits about the disappearance, but was stopped short of accusing Brian or Denise. When reporters contacted Brian Denise to get their take on the matter. They declined to comment instead saying in an Email that they loved Mike but just wanted their privacy. But everything would change in August of two thousand sixteen turning the entire case onto its head.

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"bryan winchester" Discussed on Newsradio 700 WLW

Newsradio 700 WLW

02:35 min | 1 year ago

"bryan winchester" Discussed on Newsradio 700 WLW

"Grabbed the gun and just shot him right in the face from a twelve gauge from three feet away. There wasn't much. Phased left, much, probably not much Ed left. Yeah. Yeah. And then they change it all and the police. That's the reason why it didn't get solved because the fleet at a hard time. Determining did the guy get eaten by alligators. I'm reading the right up December the fourteenth. You are correct. She was convicted on all three counts in what else he's forty eight forty nine now. So she probably going to spend the rest of her life in jail. They're going to appeal it on grounds of this. Bryan, Winchester guy is getting a far less sentencing. Occasional already is serving a far less sentence. He's the one that actually pulled the trigger not her. So they think that she was treated unfairly due to intense media coverage, including like, you say national news feature story on her. And what what happened there Tallahassee eighteen years ago? Kevin don't move. I want you to get your coupon. Right. Thank you. So you're calling from the panhandle. You live in the town. No, no. I'm actually in Fort Myers, Florida. West coast. Yeah. You're down there. Yeah. Down much left to after. But naples. Kevin hold on. I dare say it's a lot warmer down there. Absolutely than it is here, and he said, sixty two degrees. Well, all right quarter Pounder is back with us. Now, quarter quarter Pounder first time round swinging a mess, but we allowed three strikes. So you appreciate that. Hey that just goes to show you that ex wife of dangerous. About alligators. Right. There you go. Yeah. Choice either probably probably would've loved pervert the alligators over this. Yeah. All right now, but it was the life insurance policy game that when their boy has been the has been the region murders have taken place over the years. I'd say hard to figure out they just had a long time to come up with some evidence. You know? Tell you guys, you know, there was a guy called in earlier talking about his Chevy truck head at made a ticking sound when he started it up and. Do that a lot of people don't understand why there's really only two reasons why that happens one is you got.

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"bryan winchester" Discussed on Last Podcast on the Left

Last Podcast on the Left

03:49 min | 1 year ago

"bryan winchester" Discussed on Last Podcast on the Left

"Snapped it off to show what you can do testimony. What I mean? He started hooking up to them aren't hooking up. But then she had kind of extravagant shit like because not only were they hook it up. But they were going to Miami Beach. They went to this third from Iowa to Miami Beach. No that's big money going for Miami. At all. Okay. It's gone. I'm gonna say this. I'm going to say that what if what if Brian took it into his own ads and said, I'm gonna keep Denise for myself. I'm going to off Mike I can have her for myself. She's in morning now all of a sudden he's swoops in. We have the Knight in shining armor, plus the affair so she knows obviously there's sexually compatible. He doesn't let her know that he killed the dude they get the insurance money they're gonna live happily ever after. She's completely oblivious to all of it. Next thing. You know, he kidnaps her. He's looking at life imprisonment. He says no fuck that. I'm not going to go away that long. I'm gonna say she's the reason that I killed the dude and she's looking at more time than he is. It's a woman ever oblivious of anything. Well, never never once. I also know what you single she knows every single thing that he's thinking she knows every single thing that he has ever done in his life. Do feel. What else he plays in these stories though? And you know, this about Tallahassee plays out all over the country, Wisconsin wherever they the affair when people in a jury hear about an affair. They are all of our mothers be like, oh, I can can you believe gust? She had an affair even if she didn't kill him. Even if she affair can we just just for just for doing that just catching that, dick. Oh, what did this apparently so day one of this trial, Denise Williams trial? Bryan Winchester, testified how their affair snowballed into a plot to kill again. I don't really believe this guy day to family recalls. How they became suspicious and day three Brian Winchester's ex-wife testifies about tapped phone calls with Denise. So we don't know what's on those phone calls. I I will say one thing. I okay, okay. Where I'll give towards you. And maybe towards your argument is that maybe it's not her idea necessarily. At first or wasn't meant to be taken literally as that. Sometimes you're an influx in your in a fucking la- Quinta. I remember that look, oh, and you can really get you can get really boned up in that liquid. In there. You're having these fucking these rendezvous after. You know, like doing all this chased double dates with the hold off hold enough. And so now, you're boning, and it's like in the middle of it. She just got she's got the tip in her hands. Right. And she's just like what if we fucking killed Mike, and he's. Whatever it takes. And then goes ahead. And does it and she was like, I never met literally kill Mike, you know, much one of those. But also, it kinda may be planted the c o does it because but in that situation, you know, after they're done. Coitus making coitus making love after he's finishes. His he doesn't remember anything. Coma. You go back to neutral. Yes. So that is true. I also say this happens again, and again and again. Yeah. Eventually you start thinking like better kill folk and Mike if I want all this cool shit the and a meal. Oh, so you have figured out thing. He kills Mike. But that's what I'm saying. She's involved, and I just believe that women are capable enough to plan. These women are. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Don't mess with them. That's for damn sure. Sociopaths just like any man can be a sociopath..

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"bryan winchester" Discussed on Last Podcast on the Left

Last Podcast on the Left

04:27 min | 1 year ago

"bryan winchester" Discussed on Last Podcast on the Left

"That side stories Robin, Hood dot com. Henry's got a great story for y'all. Speaking of obviously, it's another crime story. But this story we got some different opinions on Denise Williams as recently been set up. She's been convicted guilty of the murder of her husband or the excess. Sereda murderer husband, Mike Williams, and a disappearance case that kind of went nuts. According to the talahassee democrat, Mike Williams at thirty one year old real estate appraiser went missing after an early morning duck hunting expedition on December sixteenth two thousand on lake seminal in Jackson county, Florida. Investigators initially speculated that Williams had drowned hadn't been eaten by alligators. But at the insistence of his mother who did not believe the. Alligator theory law enforcement eventually began investigating and deemed him a suspicious missing person, a huge break in the long cold case came seventeen years later when Mike's former best friend Brian Winchester who married William's widow Denise five years after the disappearance confessed to the killing Williams remains were found in grave about five miles away from the home where he grew up in Tallahassee where his mother still lives. Now. It's a very interesting case. It's very sorted. It is we're gonna find out is that these this was a group of four people. Mike Williams was married to Denise Williams high school sweetheart right had been together than they were sixteen years old. Mike Williams was a work all Hollick. He was making two hundred K year busted, his wrong. They said towards your your Tallahassee cash that's not gain. That's big money. That's big money for Tallahassee. So we as he's so he's out there hustle and grind. Maybe. Maybe he's living. Maybe he's leaving something on the. Table when it came to his relationship, daddy's always working well ones. What do you get whatever? You know what I'm saying? Everyone has to do. They want to niece Williams and Bryan Winchester during this time period began to a relationship. So they edit three year long affair at some point. They had a child and Bryan Winchester helped sell with the at the admonition of Denise Williams helped sell Mike Williams, a two million dollar insurance policy. Okay. And then one day Mike goes duck hunting. And he never comes back who did it go. Did he go duck hunting with the do't know, he went alone? Okay. He went to loan to his favorite spot. But they're saying is that possibly that. He did not go alone. That maybe Brian met up with him. We're gonna find out is that Brian Winchester shot his buddy and buried him in a shallow grave. They're going to go on to say was that it looked like that maybe that he had there was a ship on his boat. There was an accident and he fell out and he drowned. And that the alligators eighties body, which is why no one found which they said, they're eighty people have died in like seminal. Okay. No, all all the other bodies have been found so say, we'll maybe alligators took care of them. But then they find out. Well, actually alligators this happened December alligators don't feed in the winter months. So there was no way for the alligators to eat it. There's a lot of different extenuating circumstances. The fucking engine on the boat. The gas tank was full they're like, well, he actually fell out of this boat than probably the the engine would have kept going. And then it would have run out of gas would have spent a lot of different kind of synchronize, right? Got the big kicker was Brian Winchester who got married to Denise who is a real spicy little pepper will now according to Brian we just clearer. We we clarify the Brian Winchester this dude was looking at some significant time hugely plea deal with the prosecution to only twenty years he takes the stand flips on Denise and his store. Sorry. I don't know if it's true or not because of the because of the circumstances surrounding it. I very interesting because to the reason why Brian Winchester was going to jail after the after all of this was for the kidnapping of Denise Williams. Now Denise in him. I got into a fight they broken up eight stop after dating awful because they got married right after he died to collect the money collected one point five million dollars. Because basically long story short. They found a pair of his waders which also didn't have the weird terror was supposed to have it didn't have all that kind of shit. There's like why was he waiters?.

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"bryan winchester" Discussed on Newsradio 970 WFLA

Newsradio 970 WFLA

02:49 min | 1 year ago

"bryan winchester" Discussed on Newsradio 970 WFLA

"A federal judge struck down the law also called ObamaCare saying that congress removing the requirement that people buy insurance made it unconstitutional. The law will remain in place during appeals expected to reach the US supreme court the deadline to sign up for next year. Is today you can do so at healthcare dot gov. A trial next summer will decide the fate of the Clearwater man, charged in a fatal stand your ground case judge set the. Eight for August nineteenth. Michael, drake. A maintains he fatally shot marquees mcglockton in self defense. During a confrontation outside Clearwater, convenience store last July. Michelle Rainer represents the mcglockton family doesn't buy it. The facts speak for themselves. The video speaks for itself. It is a last ditch effort by the defense to taint the jury pool in this case mcglockton had pushed Rica to the ground during a dispute over a handicapped parking space. That's when Drako pulled out a gun and shot MC Lockton. Prosecutors say video shows mcglockton had started to back away before Drake. A fired a Tallahassee jury convicted a woman accused of conspiring with her lover to kill her husband seventeen years ago in closing arguments. Prosecutor John Fuchs had Denise Williams did not pull the trigger but help plan the plot one person sat and listened to. Brian gesture describe shocking killer of supposedly in cherish. Absolute stone face bad shit to you Bryan Winchester, testified that he killed Mike Williams. So he and Denise could marry which they did her lawyers has Winchester lied to save his own skin. Governor elect Ron to San destroyed support from President Trump all the way to victory November six and you won't back off. Now that he's about to take office to Santa's tells FOX and friends he wants President Trump to win a potential shutdown showdown with Democrats over border wall funding, partly because of the opioid crisis that one person Saturday. We're going to do things in Florida to continue to fight opioid abuse. But if the Fenton all keeps coming into our country, it's very difficult. And I think the president understands that to Santa's talk to Trump this week when the president invited newly adopted governors to the White House to Santa says, the president pledged his help battling lake Okeechobee. Green slime problem blamed for making red tide. Blooms worse ahead on crashing Pasco county. Kill the main blame for causing at Florida highway patrol says the sixty year old man going east on state road. Fifty two in bayonet point just before six o'clock last night crossed into the westbound lanes and struck a Ford pickup truck straight on he died, the two people in the truck suffered serious injuries. Teno three weather's next. Newsradio nine seventy WFL. A. Ninety six seven FM Pasco to nine FM south Tampa, nine seventy LA all over Tampa Bay. Will you need your umbrella today.

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"bryan winchester" Discussed on KFI AM 640

KFI AM 640

05:27 min | 1 year ago

"bryan winchester" Discussed on KFI AM 640

"Killed one person. One is dead. Ten more injured in this city center. They say, although the shooter has been identified they don't have him. He remains at large. They have not given a motive for the shooting. The European European parliament building is on lockdown there. No one can leave. Here's an interesting addition to this the prosecutor in Strasbourg declared that the incident was terrorist related and announced that an inquiry had been opened into an assassination and attempted assassination. Wow. We've mentioned that the members of the European parliament are in Strasbourg right now. That's where it's it's a seated officially and some of the members of parliament apparently were in that area at the time of the shooting. I mean, seven o'clock at night so carrying out about so there may have been specifically somebody targeted if in fact, they say that they're opening this into assassination and attempted assassination. Well, there was a mystery a young father who in December of two thousand guy by the name of Mike Williams. Decided to drive out to lake Seminole in Florida. And she was going to spend a few hours duck hunting on his boat. This is what he did. This is what Mike did he was known for great hunting stories crazy hunting stories is he had the best luck of any hunter. And this is just how he spent his spare time except this time December two thousand he goes out to spend a few hours duck hunting. But he never comes back. Now, the original report they searched for him for a long time more than a month like a month and a half. They looked for this guy. But they couldn't find him. And they couldn't find any sort of body. Authorities came up with this decision. And it's to be honest in Florida. It's not really that. Crazy. Did he probably fell over in some sort of a boating accident or fell out of the boat while wearing waiters and was eaten by alligators? This search lasted for forty four days the body never found. So that seemed to be the plausible excuse the gator theory. However, never sat well with Mike's family. It's especially didn't set sit. Well, with his mom, Cheryl. She couldn't fight that mother's intuition that something more evil had happened to her son. Well, guess guess who is on trial today for the death of Mike Williams? It is the wife and to understand how this all unraveled. You've got to go back to the year two thousand. Actually, a couple of years before then because it seems that the wife was having an affair with Mike's best friend for a couple of years, and he admitted this as much I mean, he was talking about how in nineteen Ninety-seven. He had a wife. He itself was married. He had a kid from his wife, and he's got this affair with Denise on the side. No one saw this coming by the way. Right. Denise and Mike were high school sweethearts. They went to a Christian school. They were active in extracurriculars throughout high school. He was voted best personality. She was best dressed. They were very happy. They were excellent in academics. Mike was student council. President everyone liked him. Everyone liked her. They were this this nice little sugary couple. They graduate high school in nineteen eighty eight and they graduate, by the way beside the best friend and his soon to be wife, Bryan Winchester, and then his future bride, Cathy, which I mean, she only plays a minor part in all of this. But the four of them, you know, become to married couples. They both end up going on and having kids, but that affair between Brian. And Denise was the beginning, it appears of the end of Mike's life and Denise and Mike even though they were married, even though they had as high school sweethearts appeared to be perfect for each other. Apparently. Fell out of love rat each other's throats as they were approaching their sixth anniversary, they actually had a couples retreat planned. Maybe to mend things maybe to spackle the cracks in their marriage. We will talk about what happened because they never made it to that couples retreat. Obviously when we come back. Gary, and Shannon will continue just a moment. Jo Kwon, what's going on. Two people have been killed and more than ten others have been hurt in a shooting near a Christmas market in France, France's interior minister says the shooter has been identified as a man with a criminal record. And there are reportedly still looking for that person. President Trump has told congressional democratic leaders he won't budge on border wall funding. Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer and house minority leader Nancy Pelosi argued in front of White House reporters for about ten minutes. Government funding could run out as soon as the twenty-first if a short term deal doesn't pass a policy that regulates where LA people are allowed to live in their cars has been extended by six months. The extra.

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"bryan winchester" Discussed on Thinking Sideways Podcast

Thinking Sideways Podcast

10:22 min | 2 years ago

"bryan winchester" Discussed on Thinking Sideways Podcast

"This episode of thinking sideways is not brought to you by the vibrant colors of the nights dimension. Instead, it's brought you by murder con a convention formers by murders, all about murders. If you wanna get in cheap and easy, use the promo code sideways to get ten percent off your body. There. There. Thanksgiving. Thinking type. Thinking, sideways stories of things, we simply don't know the answer to. Hi there. Welcome to another episode of thinking sideways. I've your host Joe joined as always by Devin, Steve, and this week we're going to talk about another fantastic mystery. We're going to talk about the mysterious case of Jerry, Michael Williams of Tallahassee, Florida not was family and friends as Mike. We are going to call him the subject here. Oh, my okay, fine. We'll call them Mike. Mike was thirty one years old one. He was last seen. He'd been married to his wife to knees for about six years. They had one year old daughter. Yeah, I know. And all by the way I'm gonna give shot up to Rene who suggested this Rene if you're still out there, she suggested this back in twenty fifteen. So it's been a while. Thanks. Yeah. We asked the questions from WALE whiter earlier. They're not. So we just we would let this one just sort of ripened for a while. Yeah. Yeah. Back to Mike. Mike was a real estate appraiser. He was known to be very hard worker made really good money. He and his wife Denise had bought a very nice upscale house in these Tallahassee which I guess the better part of town. I don't know. Never been there. Being responsible. Parents took out a life insurance policy on Mike for a million bucks that when they that is when they took out the life insurance policy was after their daughter was born believe. So. Yeah. Yeah, it was not not too long after that. Yeah, that's that's often when people start thinking about stuff like that when they're about advocate or just had a kid, I'm thinking about it as about to get married mostly because I definitely plan on murdering him. Exactly, yeah. Get more on out. Well, yeah, honeymoon AUstralia, yeah. Well. Oh, back to our story. The insurance broker in this case was guy named brand Winchester who was a good friend of my actually, apparently some sort of childhood acquaintance of his wife's dad become somehow good friends. Bryan Winchester by the way is now in prison, but that's a whole different story. Is he related of Winchester fame? I know I did that. I don't know. We covered this story before because this sounds really, really familiar to me now. I don't think now it's kind of similar to some of the other disappearance stories. It sounds really, really familiar, but. Okay going. Okay. Well, back to Mike, he was kinda into dot com thing and sometimes intendo game. Yeah, no different one real duct. Actually people are still do that. It's called analog dot com. Sometimes, yeah, you take your analog shotgun which is made of steel and plastic, and you go out to the lake and hide until the duck show up and then Bluey. I guess the nice thing is though in analog duck hunting, the dog doesn't laugh at you when you miss. Okay. I can also in the ideal. You don't shoot the dog shoot the dog and duck hunting not done. The stopped him from laughing. Oh, yeah. Your dog is laughing at you for sure, but you don't hear it. Yeah. Also don't shoot him, don't shoot. They will shoot back now, but on the. Yeah, let's go back to our store, December sixteenth, the two thousand Mike left the house early to go hunting and he never returned. Eventually his boat was found abandoned on lake seminal, which is a huge reservoir about forty miles north west of Hassi and the Georgia border. It's where it's gotta. You can find on the maps easy. It's where these two large rivers come together and they've dammed it there. So it's gigantic V-shaped lake. That's got like almost four hundred miles of coastline. It's big big like that. A typical place for him to go dot com. Ting that I don't know. I don't know. Whereas favourite spunk are. I don't know why pick that particular spot because I mean, there are other decent size lakes near Tallahassee, but you know, maybe the duck hunting was just especially good up there or something. Yeah. But anyway, the boat was found abandoned. Mike was nowhere to be seen dead or alive. So there was a general assumption by the police that he'd fallen out of his boat and drowned, which is not an unreasonable assumption really. But they dragged sir. Celek really extensively, and they never found his body which is a little weird because I mean, actually something like about eighty. People have drowned in that lake, and they've always found the body. Yeah. It's a reservoir, so, but I want to find the body on the other hand, you know, they're also lots of alligators in that like so, you know. Yeah, you know what they do for a living, right? Yeah. Okay. It's like a game of frogger. You run across them. Logged alligator to the other side. Yeah. Now, if they're if they're kind enough to line themselves up like that, and yeah, it's all about timing seen that picture though. You know how Gators and crocodiles, forgive frozen, know how they sit underwater. They're not like logs their nose up there at airlink at an angle, so like their heads are floating, but their feeder on their back feeder on the bottom or some reason that extra creepy to me. I don't know. Doesn't make sense. They got more leverage to launch themselves action quickly. Yeah, do that's probably why it is more scary and weird to me anyway. Sorry. Oh, alligators are really kind of fascinating. You know, they're kind of almost kind of cute in sort of prehistoric Mitra head off kind of way. They're terrified. T rexes are kinda cute. Yeah. Yeah, they're cute. Well, anyway, back to Mike police concluded that it was a drowning and probably got eaten alligators close case and makes waiters were found in the lake about six months after disappeared. And then about seven months after disappeared, his widow, Denise petition, having declared legally dead. Eventually she married my buddy Brian Winchester who's the guy that's in jail now. Thank you. Sure. We've never talked about. Did this. This. Even if it wasn't this story sounds really, really familiar. I swear. I know something about this now. You know, nothing. Well, I mean, I check the episode list because I when I was reading it, I was like, those sound familiar. We haven't done it before. I, the thing about the waiters just really stuck in my mind. Okay, kicking. Got, I got that from cartoons. No, no cartoons because you know, like an alligator like eats a person and they're wearing clothes, and then spits the shoes back up. Zydus assume that was why that's okay. Probably was that's probably where he got it from, but but Mike's gone cases closed, but his mother, Cheryl Williams did not accept the drowning Syria. She kept nagging police to reopen the case. And along about two thousand four, they did somebody did a little research and if out that alligators don't eat in the wintertime, print little water gets cold. They kind of dormant. Yeah, that's what I was mentioning earlier when you were saying about the the frozen alligators when water freezes. You see all these little stout sticking out of the ice because they're keeping their heads above water just enough so they can breathe, but they're kind of stuck their place. It's it's the creepiest thing in the world. You creeped out by angled alligators, look at frozen on, actually go to a frozen lake some time and stop their noses up and kill them. And then just say, I killed an alligator with my bare hands. That's probably legal legal Bromley probably actually, I'd be too scared to do because you know what, if what, if the alligator wakes up and like breaks the ice and kills me. What's his name that Adam Sandler movie with the one wooden hand. Yeah. Yeah, that does happen by the way. Yeah, I knew summit something that worked with was in Florida, and they one of those parks that has all the Gators and apparently somebody while they were there kind of lost his hand because you got a little fresh with an alligator. Nobody likes fresh allergies. Yeah, alligators don't like fresh humans eaten, but they don't like it. Smart alecky. Okay. So yeah, but anyway, after they figured that out, then that makes the lack of a body seem a little stranger. So they reopened the investigations, right? Yeah. But that's about where the case still is. It's it's been open for all these years since two thousand four, but no real new evidence has come to lie. There spent a lot of speculation about what his fate was a lot of different theories out there. So what the hell happened to them here are some of the theories accidental drowning, which of course the first presumed theory. Now, the one is that maybe committed suicide. Maybe you know, life was just team. She decided to kill himself himself to the Gators or I like this one a little bit. He faked his death by leaving his empty boat on a lake full of alligators. You know, that would explain no body and it just went off to start a new life somewhere or maybe he was murdered. Everybody has murder on the brain ever since that Steven Avery documentary thing. I know I know all this is we just murder murder where you know most people don't actually die of murder, believe it or not. Yeah, statistically it's unlikely. All right. And then we have one last year and this is actually my personal favorite, which is maybe the ducks got him. I mean, turned the tables on them, so that would also be murder in a way. Wouldn't it not if it stocks though it would be foul play.

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