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Money worries and financial support

Talking Cancer

21:06 min | 9 months ago

Money worries and financial support

"Won't financial support is available for people living with cancer who are having money worries during the pandemic. Hello i'm abi and welcome to wa- corona virus series of talking cancer a podcast from macmillan and boots where i talk to the experts to get answers to the questions. Mcmillan is hearing the most today. I'm joined by. Eve burn head of campaigns and public affairs at macmillan cancer support to talk about the money worries people with cancer may be having during the pandemic the financial support available. It's really really important that people are tailored and personalized advice for their own. Set of circumstances will also hear some words of advice from ruth. I knew about a week because my hair richly come out and they were fantastic. They took me through all the guards. Get women melon and we're talking cancer. Eighth welcome lovely lovely to have you with us and thank you so much for joining us on the podcast series. Now i'm as in all the other episodes we've recorded. I'm gonna time stamp this. We're recording this over zoom on the sixth of november twenty twenty and all the information we talk about is correct at the time of recording so since all lost episode since the last ten minutes there have been some major changes to the government guidance so before we start delving into the financial impact of covid eve. Do you wanna give us just a brief update on what the latest guidance means for people living with cancer. Yes absolutely so we know. The prime minister is announced new restrictions to cover england. I think the big difference here is that previously over the past few months we've had local restrictions local areas. The difference now is that these are national so across the whole of the country and people are being advised to stay at home. Unless you can't do your job from home and you have to go to work unless it's for a medical appointment or central shopping. Everyone is being asked to stay at home and for people with cancer. The big difference here again is for those who have clinically extremely vulnerable. So these are the people who in the first lock down where the shielded group. Those people are now being asked to stay at home so apart from medical appointments or medical care an apart from exercise that being asked to stay at home. The big thing here is of course for work so even if people with cancer who are clinically extremely vulnerable and can't do that job from home. They're being asked not to go to work. And i know we'll be talking about some of the financial support available those people today. It's such a roller coaster for it really is but with people with cancer diagnosed as this is being turned from pillar to post with so many different concerns and worries is people with cancer in lots of different ways. One of those as you mentioned is obviously going to be financial tied up with. Were what other kinds of things that matt malin have been hearing about people's financial concerns during this time. Well as you would imagine. This is an incredibly anxious. Time for people with cancer and support line is getting lots and lots and calls from people about lots of things to do with coronavirus but also about money worries in in particular people who previously would have gone to. Their banks are now worries because they don't want to go too. Busy places will get on public transport or worried about how they can speak to someone about their financial worries. Were hearing calls from people who are concerned about being made redundant or the people were helping access benefits for the first time. So there's a lot of different situations affecting people in different ways at the moment and on mcmillan support line Is the to help. So has caused some short term financial difficulties for lots of people with cancer out there including those who had to miss out on work that you mentioned earlier in order to shield or care for someone shielding and people on furlough may perhaps have lost their jobs and now with the second lockdown all their special financial resources all support on offer for those people who are finding themselves in one of those situations during this ongoing nightmare pandemic. yes there is so the good news is that the fellow scheme has been extended until march twenty twenty one so we know that that support is available for those people who can't do that job because of the restrictions and they could be eligible thilo pay if they are not eligible for that on they are clinically extremely vulnerable than people could also be eligible for statutory sick. Pay as well and you mentioned a lot of the short term pressures penal facing maybe. They're out of work temporarily at the moment because of the restrictions and we know that there's a lot of support that banks put in place whether that be flexibilities around mortgage repayments so potentially by short-term three-month mortgage holidays or also a flexibilities with loan or credit card payments as while at this lots of different measures out there an more information is available on the financial conduct authorities website. I think the most important thing to remember is that the situation is different. For every body in its radi- radiation poll that people i get tailored and personalized advice for their own set of circumstances as it is so complicated isn't it. I mean i think from an emotional point of view. You know the big change. Knowing that furlough is extended till march. It must be a massive relief because one of the things that do so much anxiety is not being able to plan a not being able to look ahead. And that's you know that's that's at least a handful of months into the future that's going to help all the benefits that you've mentioned that are available. I is this the same process as before covert has. It changed slightly. What are the differences. So there's been lots of new and good things of happened with the benefit system because of corona virus so previously a person with cancer would have had to have gone to a job center. Maybe for a face to face assessment or face to face appointments. Because that's not safe anymore. People are now having assessments over the phone or not needing to travel into a job center to have that face to face assessment or appointment on people with concert telling us that is much much better for them because they It's more flexible. And if they're having treatment for example. Chemotherapy and that just too ill to travel somewhere. It's much much better for them to be able to pick up the phone and do the assessments that way or the Flexibilities the of happened because according coronavirus is around the type of medical evidence that's needed sometimes to help people with cancer complete the fire applications and again because of coronavirus because clinicians and doctors and nurses are so busy at the moment at this bit of a reduction in the type of medical evidence. It's needed to make it less onerous a process. There's been a reduction. That's very encouraging. Yes very encouraging. Any simplification of massive complicated situations always welcome. Also i think as well. It's important to say that many people with cancer the financial impact of the pandemic is in addition to or you know the the cost of cancer. The existed normal life as well. What the cost of cancer that people should be aware of and what kind of support for them. You're absolutely right. And i think one of the biggest thing that people with cancer tells about the financial cost of cancer is it so i won't expected no. No one expects for accounts diagnosis and certainly when they do get one. No one then expects for the additional costs. Come with that so that could be anything from needing to pay high heating bills because you feel the cold more because of your treatment or needing to pay for car hospital caulking angle transport to your treatment and your all your hospital appointments or indeed losing your income. Because you've had to give up work or you've had to take time off work to help you get through the treatment so the big combination of different factors here from loss of income but also additional costs was seeing because of coronavirus again. Those costs the becoming more exacerbated. People are now feeling unsafe to get on public transport so the taking taxis to their appointments instead all because then not going outside. They're at home all the time. So the heating bills are going off as well. So it's almost a double whammy of conseco's unkovic costs together you know. We know that the fellow's been extended we know that there are benefits available but these hidden financial casa cancer. You know they are obviously going to be west during the pandemic. You've mentioned public transport. Taxis are there specific grants for example that are available to cover those additional costs. That you've mentioned we do have a grand scheme that can help people with those one off kind of discretionary costs and if people do feel as though they need that extra help orrin emergency grant of support. Then i'd encourage them to get in touch with mcmillan and we can have that conversation so there are some charity schemes out there. We've got dedicated support line. So we've got a team of welfare advises. We've got a team of financial advisors and we've got team of energy advisors so whatever your financial worry whether that be keeping up the repayments on your mortgage or which benefit to access or indeed how to get the best energy deal. We've got the right people there to help people with those questions. I do say this in pretty much every cost. Because i know that there are one of the things that we've been highlighted during the pandemic. Is that not. Everybody has got a lovely new laptop and not everybody is tech. Savvy is confident you know on the internet and although there is this huge amount of information there it is really important to know this. You can pick up the phone to you is there. Are there are people you can talk to. That's absolutely right and we're hearing from people all the time saying you know. They missed the face to face contact from having someone to talk to so in the absence of that. The off support line is fully staffed. It's been seven days a week. I'd encourage anyone who's got a question about cancer. All who struggling with the pandemic to give us a coal to help answer questions and support people through this so similarly people in active cancer treatment or shielding we mentioned miss might be understandably reluctant or unable to go too busy places like banks to see countback financial support. So what's what's what are their options. That's right and of course. A lot of people are really worried at the moment about going out going too busy places. The good news here is that there's lots of online support available for people to do that by king so online banking mobile banking and even video banking f people to have video calls with that buying. So there's lots of solutions out there and alternatives to actually physically going into your bank branch an also lots of support from banks at the moment to help people with setting up online banking particularly for those elderly people at the moment who may not have online banquets before i used to going into that. Brian show speaking to someone face to face. The rededicated teams that banks providing at the moment to support people to set up accounts. My dad is in his eighties now. if he can't speak to somebody face to face just has a mild panicker every single tones. So that's good to know. There is a little dark side to the situation. Which i think many people have heard about Sadly have fallen victim to but there are scammers taking advantage of the pandemic situation when people are banking from home or doing a lot more online shopping. Generally what are the warning signs of the red flags that you should look out for. Yes said this is really sad. Consequence of more people banking online. Even though it's never been safe to bank online of course there are people that are trying to take advantage of the situation. So what we would say to to. Everyone listening is if anyone is asking for any personal banking details whether that be your pin code or or your bank account number all of the past no details that would be very very unusual and we would encourage anyone to not give those details out over the phone in any way to either up or or and nicole unter report at that bank It would be very very unusual for someone to ask details over the fines v. That is happening. It's really important that you report that to your bank and particularly from a people who are phoning gave so unsolicited phone calls from people who are either claiming to be your bank getting in touch all and we've even had situations from people who have had people claiming to be from the nhs getting in touch as well again if anyone is calling and asking for personal banking details over the phone. Don't give them to them. Hang up the phone and unreported. mto by dongo anywhere. We're going to be back with you shortly next. Then we have some words of wisdom from ruth who is sharing her advice and ideas on how to cope with money worries during the pandemic with the cancer diagnosis. My name's ray. I live in norfolk and stike master breast cancer in some twenty nine thousand nine hundred one. She get your diagnosis closely. Go hospital appointments. Which has car parking fees petrol fees and she might be stopping working. I asked mellon unit because my heritage literally come out and they were fantastic. They took me through all the guards. You can get then you can use that for. You'll wake seek news. It too old transports. The check is fantastic. Because the came out of hospit- heating and it was march so that one hundred pounds are able to talk which was just just the right. Timing always ask for help. If you see out in a so s people will really help how i have. People come back and said no. I'll joy if you have monday. l. joy. pfc fries a view. So i hit is asked christian seconds hip is is go to macmillan. Because they advice there was phenomenal. They can set you up. And they have financial advisers that sabet were ready to tell me if i stop questions about cancer macmillan. Your side from the moment to diagnosed through your treatment and beyond our debates mcmillan intimation pharmacists are on hand when specialist support from helping you make sense of your diagnosis to advice about living with cancer. You can find them in your local boots. Fomc online via video appointment visit bates dot com for slash mcmillan for more information subject to pharmacist. Availability some really useful. Tips from rue des. Now one of the wonderful reasons why matt millen is able to do this. Please wonderful things that you mentioned is because you work in partnership with a number financial organizations to support customers. He may be impacted financially following the concert diagnosis. What can these partnerships that you guys. I know works so hard to maintain and and to create. What can they offer for people living with cancer while we're really proud of all partnerships and particularly our partnerships with some of our biggest banking partners so for example the lloyd's banking group. This is a really fantastic partnership that helps us get help to people with cancer as soon as possible when they end to the bank so this is a dedicated team at lloyds banking group not to refer people with cancer to macmillan support line so as soon as they come in and show that they've had this considine gnosis all that struggling with whatever it may be whether that be debt all their mortgage all potentially losing their income the partners at lloyds banking greet notre refer than over to was and we can help them through it we've got partnerships as well for example with scottish widows and we know that people with khansa sometimes struggle to get their insurance paid out when they need to so again all brilliant macmillan nurses work with scottish widows to ensure that we can verify the claims and get that those insurance claims paid out was quickly as possible. Won't you've talked about that. From from lloyd as an incredible setup all that any other partnerships for those people listening who don't pops back with lloyd's yes. If you bank with the nationwide building society you can call and speak to the specialists support team and the service can help you if you've got money problems or if you're struggling to keep your mortgage loan or credit card repayment and similarly if you've got a bank account a mentioned lloyd's but also how the fact some bank scotland you can speak to that dedicated cancer support team and ellen show that they can help you with whatever questions that you've got an all of the numbers and all the details of operating partnerships are on the financial support and corona virus page of our website. They're always through this. Just you know. Just make sure that you pick up the phone and speak to somebody. That's me. I love that partnership with lloyd's it's just it's so banks can be scary the best of times but with a cancer diagnosis and going through what we're going through at the moment. It's an absolute lifeline. To know about that partnership that there's a lot of information and and i guess for some people listening it's all good information but it might be quite nerve wrecking about. If you've just been recently diagnosed where do you start And if you have been affected financially how do you. How do you start doing that. How'd you start organizing and planning your finances during this time. What's your best advice. 'have course and it's such a anxious time for people with cancer when they get that diagnosis a million things going through people's minds whether that a tweet men all work or where to start so i'd encourage anyone who's listening to take the time to know that mcmillan's there but also to know that there's lots of steps that they they can take so You could start. I completely budgets. Really having a good understanding of what's coming in Money wise but also. What's going out that would put you in a radi. Good position to start having those conversations whether that be with your buying coal with macmillan to help you understand what type of support is out there you could check your insurance and what insurance protections that you've got of course you can contact your bank. Can i'd encourage everyone to do that as well as soon as possible to ensure that they understand that. You've got this diagnosis. And that could start to have an effect on your income on your finances. Pensions under the ready. Good one to start having a think about a soon as you can. On of course completing i will no one likes to talk about completing a will and it's one of the most difficult things as part of a cancer journey. We know that a lot of people say it's a big weight. Lifted off their mind if they know that they've gone through that. And that's all up to date and mcmillan-scott dedicated guide. It's on our website to help people right. There will and know that everything's going to be taken care of if they need it to be as always so full of information helpful support and advice. Thanks so much for joining us this week. Thank you for having me for more information about the areas. Even i have talked about in the episode head to our website. Mcmillan dot org dot. Uk forward slash talking cancer for resources advice and support. And it's also where you can find out more about donating to macmillan join us next time for a final episode of the series account. Believe it were the end token kansas series to already subscribe. If you'd like to hear that an every new episode whenever it's ready and if you enjoy the series please give us a writing or review because it helps others to find the cost more easily. I'm emma bay talking cancer is a macmillan. Cancer support podcast.

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A Super Mommy Tribute to Mothers Day with Author Crystal Swain-Bates

Adventures with Grammy

37:05 min | 2 months ago

A Super Mommy Tribute to Mothers Day with Author Crystal Swain-Bates

"Welcome to the adventures with grammy podcast. I'm your host caroline berry. This podcast is for grandparents when the go with their grandchildren and for parents who went to ensure loving relationships across the generations. I welcome your input and your feedback on every episode of the podcast. We produce please send me an email at caroline adventures with grammy dot com or connect with me on twitter and instagram at grammy adventure. Please follow or subscribe to my podcast. It's free so you won't miss an episode and ask your family and friends to do the same. You can subscribe to the monthly newsletter by visiting my website adventures with grammy dot com and clicking the newsletter. Sign up link in the united states. We will be celebrating mother's day in a few short days. This episode of the adventures with grammy podcast will feature crystal swain bates. The author of the children's book. Super mommy before i introduce crystal. I wanna give a shout out to my mother florence richards. She is known as mom to my sister and me grandma to five incredible adult grandchildren and ggv to eight adorable. Great grand children ages fifteen months to twelve years. I hardly know where to begin to thank my mom for the mini gifts. She has given me throughout the years. She drove my sister immed- piano lessons every week and the ability to play the piano. Many doors for me. She was a girl scout leader. When my sister and i were brownies and junior scouts. And some of my fondest. Memories are the days at summer girl scout camp. Mom loved ice skate and every winter when our pond would freeze she would take my sister. Amy ice skating. I loved watching her skate. She was so graceful as she glided across the ice i loved watching her twirl escape backwards and was thrilled when she taught me those maneuvers. She also taught me how to so she would cut up her old clothes to give me the material so i could make doll clothes and she would help me. Select fabric to make my own clothing. I made my first outfit. A jumper and a blouse. When i was ten years old friends always were welcome in our house and they love my mom and still do when i was sixteen. Mom enrolled me in a driver's education class and became my behind the wheel practice coach. I am sure those excursions aged her quite a bit and even though our car had one brake pedal that didn't stop her from hitting the passenger floorboard when she feared. I would not stop the car and time mom survived. The night turned out to be a pretty good driver. Mom insisted on to rules when my sister and i were growing up i was stand up straight. Hold your shoulders back as a result i have good posture. And f- i feel myself slouching. I hear my mother's voice. Say stand up straight and hold your shoulders back. Her second rule was think when she thought i was about to make an inappropriate decision. She would say. Think t h. I n que fake. I developed strategic thinking skills. And for that i thank my mother. My mom is eight years old and according to her physicians she is quite healthy and should live to be at least a hundred years old. I hope she remains healthy and happy for a long time. I am not ready to say goodbye. And neither are her grandchildren or great grandchildren. I love you mom. I hope you have a wonderful mother's day and happy mother's day to all of the moms and grandmas and aunts out there who wear mothering half crystal swain bates is a celebrated children's book author and the owner of golden carrot publishing crystal found the publishing company in order to address the lack of diversity in children's literature. Her mission is to reshape in a positive way. How children of color see themselves. Her children's books have been featured on cnn. And in the huffington post and use as props for bt's hit. Television shows being mary. Jane and the game her book big hair. Don't care it's one of amazon's most highly reviewed black children's books and was named by the huffington post as one of twenty one children's books every black kids should read a native of atlanta. Georgia crystal holds a master's degree in international affairs from florida state university and is an avid world traveler. Welcome crystal. let's begin our conversation by giving listeners. A peek into your writing career. While i've actually always been a writer even all the way back. When i was in elementary school i love to write and i wrote my very first book in elementary school book. That i still have. It's called the mystery in the old attic. I've been writing for many years. But i never knew that it was something that i could actually turn into her career and it wasn't so years and years later that i decided it was something that i could actually do and the story of it is. I was looking for a book for my niece. And i was looking around in the bookstore and i was shocked to see how few books actually feature black characters i. There were books but the kids were so sad. You know it's a lot of books about slavery and civil war and I don't know a lot of the satter things from our history but there weren't a lot of especially in comparison to the other books on the shelves. There were not a lot of books with black characters where they were happy. And just playing into being superheroes and you know princes and princesses. I didn't see anything like that. And i was pretty appalled and so i just decided. Wow well you know. I've always wanted to become a writer. i put a pause on that as i got into my adult career but i felt like that was the time for me to to go ahead and and pursued my my writing dreams. You're first book as an adult is super mommy. Is that correct. No my first book as an adult. I have several the first book i wrote. That's under name and not in a pen. Name is called how to go natural without going broke so this is not a children's book. This was kind of my. You know me dipping my toe into becoming an author and that's just a book about natural hair because a lot of women a lot of black women were you know learning to love their own here as it naturally grows out of their head and that's kind of important because that's actually what my children's books are ultimately about is just loving yourself just the way you are. My first children's book is called big hair don't care at lola has huge huge hair and everywhere she goes. It's basically the sensor of attention. It blocks out the view when she goes to the zoo. You know she can't even win at hide and seek because her hair is literally peeking out from her hiding spot but no matter what she really loves it and so i had a lotta fun writing that book but i wrote it because so many little girls were getting teased about their harris school getting suspended for wearing their hair in star like that in an afro or even with braids and i thought it was important for kids. Black kids and other kids as well to see that. It's okay for your hair to look like this. This is normal. This is natural when you don't have images like that in books. People seem to think that it's something that's odd. And i didn't want little black kids to keep being the odd characters in the real world. I just felt like it was really important for me to write a book about that. While i love the title. I think it's a great way of honoring little girls who have big hair. Thank you thank you so much but to your point because i know you've done some research super mommy. What was the first children's book i ever wrote. But it's not the first one. I published super mommy. I wrote back in. I guess it was around two thousand seven. And i wrote that book for my mom. I had never written as an adult. A children's book and i hadn't published anything and so i went online. I went on craigslist. Unfortunately as searching for an illustrator and i just had a horrible experience i basically wasted money And didn't get anything i was able to use. And and then. I ended up going to grad school so that pretty much. Put me in a position where i didn't publish a book and soul two thousand and thirteen so that that delayed my journey for about six years but super mommy is the first children's book that i wrote that i wanted to publish but i just couldn't figure out the publishing process and it took me many years to finally figure it out in the night. I eventually did get to go back and publish that book for my mom. But that is a sweet little book about a girl who just idolizes her. Mom yeah and i wrote that book just because that was my experience i grew up in a single parent household and it always felt like my mom was able to just it was like she had magic powers. She would come home from work and she would make dinner a full like we weren't eating mcdonalds. You're eating like a very good meal with all of our veg veggies and our meats and you know it was just. It was amazing how much she was able to do. If something was lost she was able to find it. You know if we got a little boost she was able to fix it and so i wrote that book in tribute to her. Because as i got older. I really realized that it's very typical to raise kids and answer as kids as a single mom and i just really really wasn't aw of everything that she was able to do for for me and my sister i wrote that for her and i love the title. Supermom mommy because i had a super mommy and i feel like a lot of other people think of their mom as being a supermom us. Well i happen to believe that all moms are super mommy's yes. It is really tough raising kids whether you are a single mom or if you are in a two parent or two adult family. It is still difficult raising kids. And and that's what's neat from a grandparent perspective. I don't have the day to day responsibilities of raising kids. So i can step back and be a resource for my children and my you know my daughter. My daughter's the mau- my sons. So i love the theme of super mommy and i love at the end where something big happens. I don't know if you wanna elaborate on that. And so in super mommy. The characters name is midora and mia. Dora has a showing sell project at school. So i think everybody remembers show and cell so she decides that she wants to show the students that her mom is a super mommy and when she announces this all they laugh. They can't get enough of the jokes because they think it's so hilarious that she would even think that her mom was a supermom so what she does is she comes up with a great way to prove it and she does that by taking pictures and so throughout the book she takes these pictures for mom performing. What's her seem like superpowers but when she presented at school and she puts on her poster board. They're just regular pictures. You know there are no laser beam shooting at her mom's is as she imagines it and so everyone's laughing with the surprise that you mentioned that that the end is that a superhero does run into the room and she starts doing spins and flips. And it's actually her mom dressed up in a superhero outfit. And i really liked playing with that. Because i feel like parents like moms. They cannot have. They know what's going on and in so even though her mom was not actually A superhero or so. We think she was able to still bring that feeling to the classroom and turn. What was an embarrassing moment for me. Adora into something that the kids will never forget. I get goosebumps hearing you talk about that as such a certain story. How did your mom react to the story. my mom. I just absolutely loved the fact that i was even putting her in a book now. The character doesn't really look like my mom and she wasn't really meant to but my mom really loved the story she but but you know what's funny is that my mom loved everything that i did so even though she was excited that i did this for her. Mom was equally as excited about every single thing that i wrote. So you know she she loved it and and a lot of my books are actually dedicated to my mom and my publishing company. The name of my company is dedicated. Some grandmother i like a lot of my family into my work because they've played such a huge role in my life. And i just think it's a nice way to honor them. I appreciate hearing that. And i'm sure your family does to one of the things that i learned about you. I was talking super mommy. Is that people from all over. The world have embraced this book and you even mentioned a family in europe. Who dressed up like super mommy to go to a school event that her child's school was producing yes. World character day is huge so world character day is when kids dress up as their favorite book character. And i've always been so amazed to see that. I'm getting tagged in photos of kids. And sometimes even their parents dressed up as my characters and so yeah. There was a woman from the uk who sent in a picture of herself. Dressed s super. Mommy and for me. I mean this is what makes me so happy to do what i do because no one wants to write a book and just have that book. Sit there on a shelf never to be read when you write books. You want them to be read. You want them to go as far across the world as they can so that people can be impacted and that's one of the things i love about writing and what i hear from a lot of people that and a lot of the other countries outside of the us. It's very difficult to find diverse children's books and it's a problem that we have in the us of course but it's even worse when he get outside of the us so people are hungry for books that reflect their lives that reflect their experiences and with characters that reflect you know images of themselves in their likeness so people literally get my books. I've had people in france. Well and and i do have some of my books in translation but i love to see that my books are able to go so far. Must be a really wonderful feeling to know that you're having such an impact globally. It is but you know. I always feel like i can do do more. I guess i'm just never satisfied so right now. I'm actually talking to you from south africa. So i'm here in cape town south africa and what i'm doing while i'm here is working on having my books translated into several african languages. And i'm doing that because it just again. It's very very difficult. Even in africa to find children's books that have black characters that have african characters. I didn't international bookstore in two thousand and nineteen and i visited ghana and i visited cote d'ivoire and a couple of other places as well. And what struck me is that i actually read the book super mommy and i read it to the kids and ghana and i was going over. You know trying to engage them to get them to kind of open up chat with me and so there's a scene and super mommy where the mom has cooked all this food for dinner and so i started asking them. Well what do you eat for dinner. And i started pointing at things at the table. Like what what is this. And what is that. And i realize. They don't eat the same stuff like kim. They look at the character and see that she's brown absolutely outside of that the rest of it doesn't quite resonate. And so i started on the fly. Changing the foods into foods that were local foods. So they had mashed potatoes their the rematch potatoes in the picture in the illustration and i said foofoo is this foo foo in there like oh yes fu and i said okay Crystal use still have far to go because you can impact so many more people by just doing more books in translation making slight adjustments so that the stories can also resonate with local populations. and so. that's what i'm doing in south africa. Now what a wonderful discovery. As soon as i left. I told my husband he was with me on my torres. It may. I'm going to translate these books and make them for african kids in each country. So i'm super excited about. It is actually pretty. I love doing new things. I love to be adventurous in different. And i really feel like this is something that can have a huge impact. So i'm excited about it. How many children's books have you published. That's a good question I i believe that right now. At fifteen books. I just released that released three and i still have one that i have not published is one that i haven't published them ready to hit the button on and then one that is done i am just. It's just that last page is is needs to solidify what i wanted to say. And i can get that way because I try not to be perfectionist. But i don't like to release stuff and so i'm like this is it. That's exactly how. I wanted it to be so i'm always working on something. I'll usually have something in the pipeline from what i've seen. The major message is self esteem being proud of yourself whether it's big hair. A gap between your teeth or freckles. You want children to say this is who i am and here i come world yes. I like to write for younger kids. I get so many people that say christopher. Are you ever going to write for older kids. Right chapter books and i really want to and i do plan to but i'm just really struck by the fact that kids begin to develop their sense of self at a really young age. Three four five six seven. They are figuring themselves out and that's when they decide how they feel about themselves. I really really want to be able to write books that tell them that. You are wonderful. You are amazing. You can do big things. You are fine just the way you are you know. I just want to make sure that they have and see messages. That instill that because there are not a lot of things like there are not a lot of just in print and broadcast media in general. There's just not a lot sometimes. You don't notice it until you start looking for it. And that's how i actually ended up you know publishing in the first place when i started looking for it but there aren't a lot of things that so little black kids that they can do amazing things so i want to make sure that my stories my characters are positive and even if it doesn't I don't hit kids over the head with it and so it's not always as obvious but for example apple book called. I'm a pretty princess and in that book it doesn't say anything about her being black. It doesn't say anything about her skin. Color what kids love it because it's pretty rare to see a black princess. And so when they see a black prince on the cover they get super excited and the book itself. It talks about Being a princess is not just about the outside. It's not just about the material things that you have in the fancy dresses you wear. It's about being a person on the inside so that book it's not even about self esteem or hair or anything like that but it still has. That message of you too can be a princess. The message is that i get from parents. I mean i've had. I've had so many parents reach out to me. Many of them saying that you know they got their daughter that book and she was excited about it but then also parents say daughter said no mommy. I can't be a princess. Because i'm black and so i've had parents writing to me. Pretty much heartbroken telling me how upset they were because they didn't know that their child felt like that right until they gave them a book with the black princess and like no. I can't be a princess so it's it's just like a hidden message. Youtube can be a princess. And you don't know that you can be a princess because ever seen one that looked like you. So that's really a big part of what. I what i try to do with my book. That's really heartbreaking. A child with feel like that just because of the color of her skin. There's just so much stuff that goes on. You know. I see on the news. You know kids that. Try to get into plays right. I want to be snow white. You can't be snow white. 'cause you're black snow white can't be black. You know i. It's just things that you would never think about. That are literally limitations that are set on kids literally just from by the color of their skin. And so something just like that being a princess. If you've never seen a black princess before then you probably don't think of that. A black person can be a princess in the first place and that's why people get really excited when they do see these books you know when disney releases a character that is different from what we've seen historically it really. It really is a big deal. It really really is for us. That brings me to your book. The black fairy tales tell the listeners what that entails but fairytales and that's like the perfect ledin. I created black fairytales which is basically a coloring book where i turned all of the characters of popular fairytales into black characters. Now it's occurring book so there is no color in it right but when you look at the characters you can see you know a lot of them might have braids or afros on. They don't look like the traditional characters that you would see in books and definitely not for those fairytales. And i did that. Because all of these are fictional characters fictional and because they're fictional they can be any color we want them to they can be any race ethnicity and it totally goes against. You know the status quo. Some people like it. Some people don't but at the end of the day for me. I think it's important for a little girl will be able to see herself as rapunzel. I think it's cool to have a black little red riding hood to have a black pinocchio. I just thought it would be really fun to take those fairytales for a little spin. And i just love to do stuff like that because again. We're talking about fictional characters. If their fictional they can be any race. We want them to be true. One of the questions. I meant to ask you earlier was i know. At least a couple of your books are written in rhyme. Is that a standard practice for you. I really really loved writing and rhyme. I grew up writing a lot of poetry and just a a natural extension into writing children's books in rhyme funny enough. I actually don't really feel as comfortable writing without using rhyme. And what. I like about rhyme. Is that one i can. I can run pretty well. But also i think it's fun for the kids to read. It helps them Staying gauged it helps kids kind of learn to read. And then they hear some of that repetition in the sounds. And i just think it's it makes it fun and it's more fun for me ceridwen. I'm doing a book readings. So i would much rather read naturally me or care. Don't care then. Read super mommy which is not written in rhyme. And i don't know it's just something about that. Little sing song style of it but i do right in both styles and But my preference really is to write in rhyme. But i will tell you this writing in rhyme is it's not easy is sometimes it delays my process. Because i'm literally like. Oh i can't finish this book because one of my pages i don't have the perfect rhyme yet so i it can really delay me a lot but the end result i always really love. I've heard that from other authors to and have always been impressed with authors who successfully rhymed their work. Because that is not one of my straits. And i just i think it's really so clever. A clever use of rhythm and and sounds and as she said little kids love rhyming and it's a wonderful way of helping to develop language skills exactly. Yeah i just really like it. So most of my children's books will be in rhyme. Because i love it personally. And i feel super accomplished. Because like you said not. Everyone can write in rhyme I get a lot of people that ask me because i do teach authors hal to publish their books and they should my children's book be in rhyme. Does it have to rhyme. should it rhyme. And i always encourage people to write in the style that they are most comfortable with because there's nothing worse than reading a book where it's supposed to rhyme. Let the meter is wrong. And it uses fake fo- rhymes. There's nothing worse than that. These words that don't actually ryan but they kind of do a little bit and the one sentence is super short. The other senate super long doesn't flow and so that pretty much defeats the purpose of writing and raymond the versus. So i saw people right right the way that you are comfortable writing. Don't try to force it. You actually have a couple of coloring books correct. Yes four or five. Might be five coloring books now. The coloring books. I started to do those. Just because i think you can sell by now when i don't see something on the market you know i'm like well. Why doesn't this exist with black characters. Why why do we have so many of these coloring books on the market but none of them are have any any black characters. I just don't understand. So i try not to really be that person to complain about it but when i noticed something and i know it's something that i can change then i'm like okay. There aren't really a lot of black children's books Coloring books then. I'll do it. I'll be the ones bringing to life so once. I started creating the coloring books. I mean i got such a positive response especially because mine are coloring and activity books so they have all sorts of you know cool little opportunities for kids to be able to use their writing skills reading comprehension skills I do some really fun stuff in the books and people love them so once. I did the first two i said. Okay this is the thing. Let me keep making more So right now. I have one for One that's called the colorful adventures zoya star of the colorful Adventures of cody and j I'm a pretty princess which has a coloring book version and a picture book version. I have a book called Will we talked about black fairytales. And then i have a book. That's actually four. I call it big hair lovers of all ages. So this one's for Adults his wall and it's called color my fro. I am impressed that you identified a niche and have gone after it. But you've done it because you care about these little children having role models and having books and coloring pages where they see themselves that has garnered lot of media attention. And i was reading and saw on youtube where your books haven have been used as props in paula mission programs. Yeah they have An that's the thing when you start out you create you come up with your idea. You just never know where it will take you but for the same reason that parents are looking for books with diverse characters. You have hot masters at television shows. Who are looking for books that reflects what would be in the homes of the characters right so if you have a black family little kids you're probably going to have at least a couple of black books. Of course. not every book will be. You'll probably have at least a couple of wack books in the household and so now they need to find books props yet. It's just been pretty amazing. So the books that have been featured are naturally me was used on the show Cough the game on bt and zoey and stark. that's one of the colored books was used on a show called being mary. Jane which start gabrielle union and there is no better feeling than watching television seeing seen open up with the little girl on the show coloring in your coloring book right. There's no better feeling. And when when that aired people were hitting me up all over. I mean phone calls text messages facebook messages. I just saw your book on being mary. Jane and i said these people have really good eyeballs. Because i'm a little is because people see my books everywhere and they recognize them and then they tag me. Let me know so. It's just it's a. It's a wonderful feeling. I am so happy for you. I could only imagine the joy that you feel. And i am so honored that you're my guest that we can talk about the. Im concerned about all diversity. When we talk about books. I've read about another author who i want to invite to be on the program and she is chinese and talking about the stereotypes for that culture as well and you know even even girls talking about girls doing some adventure. You always see boys but you don't always see girls. And i think people are becoming more aware of this. Lack of diversity across racial ethnicities and that girls don't always play with dolls that they sometimes go rock climbing and yeah we have to represent all of that in our literature and it's such an exciting time to be a writer because the world is just waiting for those voices to shine through exactly. That's exactly there's someone out there who is looking for a book like the book that you're planning to write and i always encourage people if you have a story if you have a book that you wished existed when you were a kid if you have a kid or a grandkid and there's something just so special about them Or or there are no books that were they can fill represent it. Go ahead and write that book. Because they're not the only kid out there that has that special feature that unique thing about them and when you write that book if you're looking for a book like that there are other people out there who are also searching for a book like that. So i always encourage people not to be afraid but if you really believe in it and you really you are interested in writing to go ahead and try your hand at it. Kids can provide so many funds stories so many that you can write about and then sometimes just writing about the kid. Themselves talked to several people where they're a child or you know their grandson or granddaughter has an illness and they don't see any books that actually show that one of the books i've written and i think it's probably underpin name Is no wheat for me. Gluten free this is just a fun. Little book i wrote and i made it half diverse characters so this has like just huge diversity in the characters and i created that book because so many kids were gluten free. And you know you have to explain to other kids with that means right and so i thought man it would be really great for kids to be able to have a book that they can take to school. The teacher can read the other. Kids can understand why. I can't eat this and i can't eat that so i just really love to use books to show all kids that no matter what they have going on. There's somebody else out there in the world. Who's just like them. So they're not that different after all. Is there anything that i haven't asked you that. You want the world to know that is a good question. is there anything. I want the world to know I'm for any of the grandparents who are listening. Kids love to read kids really do cherish the time that they spend with you and so i would encourage you to just read as much as possible with them and to them you know and really put on his show with the characters because those are memorable moments and and the books that you choose. Don't be afraid to to choose books that don't look like Your grandchildren you know. It's it's cool for them to have a you know a reflection of themselves and as as well reflection of the other people who exist in the world and i think the by doing that you can really help them to become better humans and you'll enjoy some really funk quality in the process tell our listeners where they can find you and where they can find your books. All my books are on amazon. And my name It's not quite the easiest spell but it is crystal swain bates and i'll spell it for you. It's crystal c. r. y. s. t. a. l. and the last name is swain bates s. w. a. n. hyphen b. Ats my website is crystal swain. Bates dot com. And if you're listening and you're actually looking for advice and information about how to publish a book. Allah facebook group and it's called six-figure publishing secrets with crystal flame bates. So those are all of the ways that you can find me if you are a grandparent. Who is very active on social media. My handle is see swain bates on all platforms. 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Monday, Nov. 26: Sen. Bernie Sanders, Sean Hayes

The View

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Monday, Nov. 26: Sen. Bernie Sanders, Sean Hayes

"Mondays better has the view is live kissing controversy were summer outraged and others are applauding the same sex kiss. At the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade Senator Bernie Sanders gives his political view on Democrats big midterm wins by backing his issues. And if it's making him think of another White House run was Sean Hayes is showing you willing Grace's most ungraceful moments caught on camera and find out how to cash in on the best cyber Monday deals. Let's light up. Hot topics with Whoopie. Oh, be huntsmen. Joy, they are sunny hostile and Meghan McCain. Now, let's get things started. The bureau is out today. So we are here without our Whoopie. Also, we're going to be getting into a lot of hot topics later with Bernie Sanders like what's happening at the border right now. He knows a lot about it. I think and we'll talk about that with him. But I I hope that everyone had a happy thanksgiving. Yes. Okay. Good. Well, we all need that reset button. That Donald Trump told America that he's thankful for himself. I didn't think that was true. But it really happened. Did he said that I'm thankful for myself? Didn't he say presidency president? Yeah. Mr T. William south now, I type Robert Muller myself about sets. That's what I think they have anything to say about what they give. Thanks before we move on. Oh, I was just so thankful for my family, and my friends we had about twenty or so people that came over and then the family and friends come on. Well, I was gonna show this the very next day. I had a bunch of people come over. And we have what we call the thanksgiving. Leftover snack. That's cute and everybody competes who had the best leftovers and the people in the jackets are the judges and the people in the hats are the folks that one so and that Floyd one master chef. Abby Abby has right now do because her mom is in the audience, the the very. Yes. Wearing her signature leather pants. I'm famous. I was so lucky this year because our families all over the world right now. And they basically surprised us. So we can go said they're going to spend thanksgiving one day my dad's in DC is getting the Sukagaw award for X exemplary diplomatic service, which is basically the embassador of the year war. That's. A lot in Moscow eight hundred diplomats. And so his job is is to the one on the right? Our family's chaos, but we love each other and just spending time together. That's what things giving about. Do. You get the do watch the view in Moscow words as Putin not allow it to get the view in Moscow. You don't get the view. I can pull them get talk. Bands us go. How can I? Because I didn't think we're going to talk about our thanksgiving's. But since I since we are talking to a producer backstage, actually, it's one of those are wardrobe for those of you who aren't having great holidays. It's okay to be in your truth. I'm not having great holidays. Everyone knows what happened in my life. Everyone knows what's happening. I think sometimes you watch daytime talk shows and everything's bubbly and beautiful. If you're having a bad holiday season right here. I'm with you. Okay. It's sometimes it's hard. And it's a really hard with social media, everyone looks like they're having a perfect holiday for those of us that aren't it's. Okay. And I just wanna say that because I think sometimes people watch and think that everything's amazing all the time. Okay. Okay. So the other thing about thanksgiving is that everyone worried about political arguments breaking out over thanksgiving. But the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade gave people another reason to fight this year. Some parents said they should've been warned about this moment. See what you think watch. So that same sex kiss was the music all the props and some parents were happy one conservative group tweeted that quote, millions of children have their innocence broken by it. Oh for God's name such a big deal really to have to two women. It's the four America group. But my favorite thing about this is you don't have any problem with anything President Trump has done anyway. So that's not a problem, but seeing the LGBTQ community reflected in a parade is the big problem. I used to be on the board of glad I've done a lot of LGBT advocacy work. It's important to have yourself reflected. And the group came out saying the director of the problems that people have been sending my responses from teens in high school students over the last two days, and it's been amazing. I think wow, we've been able to make some people feel mart who are martyrs marginalized feel. Okay. And that means everything to me think of the young LGBT person in the middle of the country who maybe doesn't see themselves reflected all the time. I think it's really important. I applaud the prom and macey's day parade doing it. I was surprised that the Macy's parade has been going on for ninety years. And this is actually the first time that we've seen a same sex kiss. Which sounds crazy to me? But I will say as a parent. I'm sure there were a lot of parents that had to explain the kissing to their kids, and they may not have been prepared for that conversation. So for me, I'm thinking, I don't know that I wanna see a man and woman making out and I've got four year old. And I've got to explain that. So I I'm not sure how I how I come down on it. If you don't see a parade. You're gonna see an airport you're going to see it with parents his. And everybody making out everywhere. It's like, I'm calm. You know life at the medicine and the country on the rural areas, it's everybody's. Bat realized how many people right this second as we speak. Millions of people are doing it. They're making. It's like everywhere team. So I'm I love it. That's where your mind goes. Okay. We have to go. We'll be right back. Meco scarborough. She took the plunge and took Joe's name in a post thanksgiving wedding. With the curve lose their last name for love. Residents next. Baby. Stars. I just found out that lady Gaga, I have the same gynecologist just share. Doing this. It's it's not hurt. Yes. She's seen it been there done that. So with your joy Behar. What do you do to celebrate twenty years on the view? I drink a glass of wine and take off my brassiere. What do you do will Thursday? We're saying oh joy with this eleboration twenty years in the making. I was Barbara Walters. Favorite to same. You were. Were. On the view only on ABC. Head Senator Bernie Sanders gives his political view willing, grace Darshaan Hayes, and it's cyber Monday steals on the view. So our congratulations to Joe Scarborough. And Mika Brzezinski who tied the knot over the weekend. She looks orien- cakes worryingly at him and make a said, she will be taking his last name of Scarborough. Maybe she's just trying to spilling Brzezinski. That has those two Z's in there. Like really is it a dated concept to take your husband's name or not? I had mine because my original Italian American name was too hard to pronounce acute o o h r u t. Oh, okay. Yeah. I understand the days to call joy. Commits slender. Joy, I commit all is joy ocean toe sometimes Japanese people would have because it sounds Japanese acute. Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm just surprised if she didn't take her first husband its name. And maybe she did privately. I'm not sure because you would I took. Traditionally I'm Livingston. I'm known as Huntsman, but I don't I think everyone should it's a private thing. I think to make a decision for themselves. Whatever they like my sisters kept Huntsman as their last name. But I wanted that. Yeah. I I wanted that for marriage. I thought mom mom took Huntsman to comes into. Let's your maid named name. Hooper Cooper Cooper, a good one. Good one. This so easy. But you know, we we've thought about one day like with kids, and like I kids it was very important to Manny for me to take hostile. But I was already fully formed human being when I married him. You know, and I have my law degrees, under comings and everything. So I was a little concerned about it. But he felt that for the children everyone would have the same last name. So I I see I was not a fully formed human being when I. But I kept coming wasn't. I kept coming says my middle name, I sort of did the Hillary Rodham Clinton thing, and that's the only and I gave my kids. My last name is bare middle name as well. Because I thought it was very important to keep a piece of myself. Right. Very like Latin thing why. Aw. Self job Brzezinski. Yeah. Men never do in that air for man. I do that. Yeah. The dominates wanna take McCain. Dominic. Dominic. It never even occurred to me to change my last name. I don't know if I'm just got married when I was thirty two or thirty three remember now thirty three I don't know how old thirty four. But yeah, I just think my I was too far along in my career in my life. And I actually don't know anyone that changed our last name, even like, my girlfriend's in Phoenix kids are very traditional and same thing. She didn't want to not change her name because of her DOD. So I do think it's generational. I'm sorry. I know you change it is more comando although percent of women married in recent years have kept their names. So it's there you go twenty cents. So actually the norm is taking. Names. It sounds very rich people like work on television in news and stuff. Because again, it's my byline writers. Don't know Harvard says the most important predictor was whether a woman made a name for herself before marriage, and she did and you kept her to my husband's credit. He didn't care who's not an writing. We'll be right back. Bernie Sanders gearing up to ride the Blue Wave into the White House. And how does he answer newly elected Democrats say it's time for the old guard to step aside. He's live on the view next. The lovely and talented semi Senator. Bernie Sanders is here I love him. And he's a big victory in the midterms. And a lot of the Democrats who won ran on the issues. He's been talking about for for while now. So here to tell us where we go from here, which is also happens to be the title of his new book. Welcome back. Senator Bernie Sanders. Seven again to be back with you. So we're going to jump into some hot top video. All right. So let's talk about the border because over the weekend. We saw authorities firing tear-gas on migrant some of the Mathilde few which Holdren even and Trump is saying that he could close the board of permanently. What do you where what are your thoughts on? When you see this type of thing are being joy. I thought. We have got on the stand who these people are where they're coming from. In most cases, these men women and children who are coming from countries like Doris, Guatemala, El Salvador, where the poverty rate is abysmally high where there is crime with there is drug cartel violence, which is really terrible. And these are desperate people who want a better life for their kids escaping violence. Yes. In many cases, you're drug cartels there who are just doing terrible things. Does that mean that we can open up border everybody? No, it doesn't. But it means that we have an asylum process that we have to respect. But most importantly what the terrible situation at the border. Should remind us is that this country needs comprehensive immigration reform. This is part of that. And. God means above and beyond the borders. We have one point eight million young people in this country who have lived virtually their entire lives here going to school. They're working they're in the military for in the DACA program. But are now frightened to death that they may be deported. People who are born here during not creamy. Oh came you legally. But essentially the twelve right before they know what the country this is fallen ten purposes their country. The American people are pretty clear that we have got to provide legal protection to these young people and a path towards citizen janitor. What about the issue of using the military at the border? I mean, my understanding is that John, Kelly and cure Ston. Nielsen initially argued against granting this military broad authority the border because it was beyond the president's constitutional powers. But they acquiesced I don't know how you get around the constitution. This. I have given the nature of this president who I think are strong or third -tarian tendencies seems love people like Mr Putin and the crown prince of Saudi Arabia and the leader of North Korea. I worry very much about for the first time using the military in that way in this country. So I think that is a very legitimate concern. But bottom line is we need serious comprehensive immigration reform. The Senate passed a Bill a few years ago. The house did not Democrats now taking control over the house. And I hope that we can come together on blocks at the most Republicans Republicans they wanted there is a I mean that's push back. But my father and Ted Kennedy tried very hard to get it passed in. I hope it's not a pipe dream. So what do you what do you think we can? Disagreed on almost every issue, but he will good friend, and I worked together on of veterans reform bread Bill, and he sold he missed because he was a Republican I felt had widespread support and did work with Republican John. Could you name? There are many. I mean, we passed in the Senate and here's the world fourteen thirteen right? Yeah. And here's where the world is going to be different. It's one thing not to bring forward legislation. It's another thing for Democrats to pass something decent. And then Republicans in the Senate saying Ono, I don't wanna do it and people back home. We're going to say, well, you know, what you should do it. So I hope the day has changed. I hope the Democrats not only on immigration reform, but begin to move this country forward in guaranteeing healthcare to all people as a right, not a privilege, right? I hope that we can move forward to understand that. If you work forty hours a week, you should not be living in poverty in this country because to raise. To raise the minimum wage to a living wage, and I hope by the way that we deal with fair wages that we understand that. It is unacceptable that women make eighty cents on the dollar compared to men. What do you say? Because speaking of. Your party in the Democrats? They were successful taking over the house. And now they have control and they've got a real opportunity to sort of rebuild the soul of democratic party's move into twenty twenty. What is your advice to them as someone of focus on bringing down? Trump is that the answer for success. Look think. Great secret than I have very very deep concerns about from not only because he tried to throw thirty two million people healthcare, your dad's vote was the difference in making sure that thirty two million people, by the way continue to have health insurance. Not only not only time of massive income and wealth inequality that Trump pushed for a trillion dollars in tax breaks, the top one percent and then come back with attempts to cut Medicare, Medicaid and social security, but I'll tell you what I disagree with Trump even more about and that is his attempt to divide our country based on the color of our skin based on where we came from based on religion. Out sexual orientation, and it's funny thing you had conservative presidents like Bush, disagree with them on almost everything. But he understood that we that the job of a president is in these difficult times to bring our people together to get cheap votes by dividing us up. What motivates that? You think it's totally opportunistic politics, and he thinks he can get one group to hate another group peak of pick up some more votes and win some states. But his the good news. I write about it in that book is that despite would media things we all much less divided as a people, then I think of this thing, I think, for example, if you look at issues like raising the minimum wage if you look at issues like guaranteeing healthcare to all people if you look at issues like rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, and creating millions of good paying jobs if you look at issues like making public colleges and universities tuition free in dealing with this incredible problem of student debt, forty million people this country was struggling with horrific levels of student. If you deal with the issue of climate change, that's a big one. It was a huge. If you heard the reports that just came out recently, maybe we can talk about take a break. We're gonna come back with more for. Let's. So you just woke up your phone is lighting up with headlines. Push notifications and text from your mom saying, I do I click this. Okay. Maybe that's just me. But if you wanna get up to speed, check out the new podcast from ABC news start here. Literally the ground was shaking. I'm Brad milkey. And every morning, we're going to take you to the stories that matter with fast, fresh, insight, low rubber mower. Michael Cohen calling only twenty minutes start here. Listen for free on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast app. Senator Bernie Sanders author of the new book where we go from here center. Thank you so much for coming on. I just wanted to know. I was thinking about this last night. Is there anything Trump has done that you're okay with or you like or you think he's done, right? A minute. Talked about issues that are significantly his talked about the need to rebuild our infrastructure. That's correct. He has talked about the outrageously high prices of prescription drugs. And the fact that the drug companies ripping off the American people. That's right question is whether he's just words whether he's going to go forward with meaningful legislation, according to Alan Dershowitz over the weekend who has been a bit in certain way, support of Trump even though he's an is that, but it sounds like he's a support Trump. So he made a lot of news this week. We because he said that when mother releases his report on Russia. It will be devastating for the president. Even though it will not be criminal. What do you think is getting out there? What does he have? I don't want to speculate all that I will say on that though, it is absolutely imperative that that investigation continue without being impeded Trump. Because if that investigation was stopped by Whitaker. Anybody else really would be an obstruction of Justice, which is an impeachable. Sounds like Republicans in the Senate though are pushing to keep it going. What's his name? No mic McConnell, comma was blocking any legislation that would pretty all right? Molly. I mean, there are two things we want to have legislation which makes it clear that this lead this investigation cannot be impeded on the other hand. That's what that's what McConnell does not want on the other hand that does not mean that he's against the investigation. You've said I'm Senator that you wouldn't rule out another presidential run. You say you want to make sure that Trump is beaten in twenty twenty are you that person to beat him? And if not you who is a great question. Make you. Look, I would not be honest with you. If I didn't say that I'm thinking of running okay. Also there all the great candidates out there. Many of them personal friends of mine. But I think what is most important right now is that Trump be defeated his hateful rhetoric and his visit nece and. And we as a nation come together. Respectfully, and I'm thinking of your father in that sense. Who led the effort, by the way on campaign finance reform McCain Feingold? So the billionaires do not by elections. I think a lot of work we can do in addressing the disappearing middle class poverty climate change. There's so much work that we can do that. We don't need to spend our time listening to somebody trying to divide us up. We gotta come together and address the real crisis facing read your book, right? Where we go from here. Everyone is going on the copy to educate yourself. We'll be right back. Hey, Sean Hayes. The thanksgiving holiday is officially over. And not only food coming up. I'm coming up to but not the fear. I'm easily digestible and carb free. Right. Real bringing the Kingsgate marvelous with Rachel Brosnahan. And Tony Sali's joy celebrates twenty years on them. You I was bar to you. On the view. How did it routine traffic? Stop and with activists Sandra bland dead in jail her chew sister share their mission for Justice tomorrow. Mary grace star Sean Hayes, adding a new chapter to a holiday classic in children's book. He wrote with this husband. Scotty Icenogle called Plum, how the sugar Plum fairy got her wings. Please welcome, Sean Hayes. Yeah. Before we get to the book because the covered is capture attention. It's beautiful thing. But on the show we were talking about what many people were the Macy's thanksgiving parade. And was the first time you've had two women kiss in the great and a lot of people supported it. But there was also some backlash. You would have some thoughts on. Energy anymore for the backlash people. I have no comment that it's like it's normal to me, it's normal. It's normal to me. So it's like why give people who have the backlash anytime at all. So next question. We often this cold water. So. We were also talking earlier about what we'll do for thanksgiving. How was your thanksgiving? I'm so glad US. Thank you. Thanks. It's so natural this show. Thanksgiving. Lulu it seamless. It's wonderful thanksgiving. It was a blast. I spent it was Scotty and a bunch of our friends and family extended family up in big bear this Scott. We restraining order against me. That's my. Right. Many was tech knew that before we came back. But I couldn't. How long have a good one? It's australian. Yeah. How long have you been together? Twelve years married for. Wow. Talking about whether or not used to take your spouse's last name. I guess you didn't want to take. Everybody's like Scott what you got. I see like the ice Nago. Already a fully formed person. You had a career you have all this going on. So if you changed your name from Sean Hayes to Sean Icenogle, then back with rear fully formed person like. Having animal. Oh, yeah. I would've would've thrown the world off it would have on the world off if I changed my name. No, we're happy with with everything. Everything is going. Vans were beyond thrilled. When will and grace came back. I mean people were there. Always been so funny in particular. I think I think we have a clip hearing. I've a real gift. Prying at the trailer for the new just caught him. Texas parents fine shoot. We're going to Texas Cairns fine as dams. She said. No. It's a wonderful gift that we've been given to come back and do the show, and it's for the fans in the audience who made it happen after we made that election video back in two thousand sixteen still waiting for the results. And we have we have a blast. It really is like a family. And now it's pointing to say that it really is we've been together for twenty years. So we know everybody's everything. Thanks, socially and politically relevant as ever it was obviously incredibly groundbreaking especially with representation for the LGBT community. What is it like playing Jack again? Well, the biggest gift in the world as as much as I love being an actor. The biggest gift is the byproduct the show, which I never expected people coming up to me and saying thank you you helped me in my life. You helped me come out. You helped me make it feel okay? To be me. And it's sad that it takes TV show to do that. But I'm glad it's ours. Speaking of kisses will and grace have the first male kiss on TV. Yeah. It was our character. There. Me. Yeah. That was our characters on the today show with Al Roker. And it was I don't even remember what it was about. Told a big big. So let's talk about your new book. Yeah. Yeah. Plum. Fairy governor wing. Yes. Yes. You wrote this with Scotty. I did learn to write about a couple of months ago. Worked. I worked with colors we start writing. No, we we thought of the idea because we have creativity in common, we have music and common when we first met. We just kind of found out we have the nutcracker coming which is like total Christmas nerds. And we're like you love it too. Because when I was a kid, I listened to the record is vinyl thing. And you put it on. Memorized everywhere every word every note of every instrument and the whole ballet and became obsessed with it. So we've been talking about for years. Finally, find the time we thought where did all these crazy characters come from. So we create an origin story. Hopefully, the first that many with the sugar punch. You know, right with your spouse. Did you have an easy time? It was worse. Worse. Still married. Yeah. We're still married but working together. No. Went really well. We we bought a little bit. We went to corners. And finally, he decided I was right. And then we came back together and finish it. But everybody who thinks their ideas are the best. And so. To meet he used to be the DJ Ellen show. Recognized you. When it first started back in two thousand three. So who made the first move. It was. Yeah, I you know, I asked Ellen. And then you're fan of means. So, you know, it's very healthy to date your fans. We're actually fans of each other. 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Should You go Vegetarian?

The Naked Scientists

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Should You go Vegetarian?

"Have you loud and clear? I. Welcome. Signs and that is the same. Physics. Medicine Nature. Eight Brain Hello. Welcome to the naked scientists the show where we bring you the latest breakthroughs in science technology medicine with me at a Murphy I'm with me Chris Smith coming up and you twenty minute test for covid why hybrid cars turn out to be worse for the environment than their official performance figures claim and after hundreds of elephants mysteriously died in Botswana earlier this year researchers now think they know why? And also this week with an eye on world vegetarian. Day, we're looking at the feasibility of a reduced meat diet what can cutting down calories from meet do for our health on the health of the planet. The naked scientists podcast is powered by UK false DOT CO DOT UK. Recently Boris. Johnson announced an ambitious plan which he dubbed his Moonshot to test away eight of the current covid crisis and back to normality. But the price tag of this proposed multi-million scale daily testing regime is nearly as much in itself. The cost of running the entire National Health Service unsurprisingly many skeptical not least because some of the technology needed to deliver it doesn't even exist yet. So you would think that a new corona virus test developed by Anglia ruskin researcher. Stephen. Boston. That delivers the result in just twenty minutes would have Health Secretary Matt Hancock rubbing his hands together to offer help. But that's not been Stevens experience. Here he is explaining to Chris what he's managed to achieve what the problem is. We have developed a test that is much faster than anything available at the moment instead of taking an hour and a half hour test takes fifteen minutes. Goodness me now tell me how it works. You would spit into a test to. And we would spend about five minutes extracting the genetic information from the virus Dutch. Genetic material is a chemical called are a which we kind of using all tests. We thereafter converted into a second chemical, which is DNA DOT DNA. Is then put into test, which is a PR based test and it copies the DNA. Copy that we have made several million fold. which can detect using sensitive instrumentation. This is very similar to what is going on in diagnostic departure all over the world except they're taking hours to do it why are you able to do it in twenty minutes? How have you done that? Well, firstly, at attest detects more than one viral gene, we look at three our genes. Secondly, we have used a better method of fasted most labs used methods that are thirty years old they take a long time to convert the viral. DNA and take a long time to do the test itself. We have streamed on this to do this in thirty seconds and then one second one second bursts. Interesting. You said you're. Using, saliva. This is not routinely being done. Is it most people are familiar with having what feels like a brain biopsy with an enormous great long thing being rammed up nose and swapped into the back of your throat? So why Saliva? Wealth Lava is obviously a lot more easy to get hold of spit into tube, and this then allows you to extract your nucleic acid from that slide. Sample Saliva is as good a sample as a swap, and in some instances in some papers suggests that is even better. So if one does a head to head between what we're currently doing in diagnostic laboratories across the country and your new method. Does he perform at least as well or possibly even better than what we're doing at the moment? The test itself is better than what people are using the moment artists can detect a single copy of the viral genome. And we tested all tests on samples from Broomfield Hospital and we found that in every single case where the hospital had a positive, we had a positive and every single case where they had a negative we had negative. Could you use the existing machines and platforms which are running? Across the country and in fact, across the world to introduce this test or does this need a whole new of equipment and a whole lot more expensive training before it could be launched? No this test will work with any instrument that can run. We'll talk peace y'all have you spoken to the people who are in charge of testing in the UK. Yes we've done two things we applied for funding from innovate UK and we had four referees and the all gave it very hoy ratings, but it wasn't funded. I. Then went to my local MP and talk to Him who put me in touch with the health secretary. The problem is that unless the test is e marked or FDA approved, it is very difficult to get it accepted rapidly and as university. We don't have the facilities to do a prophecy marking, for example, so it is not easy to introduce a new test like this. What you're saying is then that bureaucracy is effectively getting in the way of attest being introduced that could in fact, be an order of magnitude faster than what we can do at the moment. It's one problem. Yes. What did Matt Hancock say he put me through to Lord Bethell. Through somebody else that wasn't a totally satisfactory interaction. Grounds were they giving them but they just saying you have to go through the right channels and yeah, just go away. I mean that's not very constructive. Is it that there's no easy and fast? Like dragons den type approach to to pitching something getting funding for it or how much do you think you need Stephen took? This is for not in the know this is this is like a badge of honor that says, this this meets or passes muster isn't a sea mark says, this is a tried and tested validated quality assured test. That's what you need. Isn't it? How much is that GONNA cost? You think then to get that? It's not just the question of cost is the question we're not set up to do that. So what I would like to happen is for a manufacturer to get in touch with US Open for us to be able to get in touch with the manufacturer and get them to do with us, and that's what we're trying to do at the moment. Okay well, we will throw down the gauntlet to. People listening to this, and if anyone would like to get in touch, they get in touch with to say to you will take your pain away and we'll get this test out there. Well, I, can give you my email stephen with a p. h. Dot Austin be us. At a are you dot A. C. DOT UK? So, if you can take Stephen, Boston's call and helping test approved rather than transfer him to Lord. BETHELL DO DROP HIM A. Incredible. That isn't it anyway time for something over handbrake turn on the topic front now over to hybrid cars, which are a significant slice of the automobile market these days these vehicles claim to cut emissions incentivize by lower levels of tax, and also cited as a cornerstone to help us cut our carbon footprint but new research from transport and environment and Greenpeace. Which followed up to twenty thousand hybrid drivers suggests that in real world usage, the emissions from hybrids up to two and a half times higher than the tests would have you believe Adam spoke to Richard Black who's the director of the energy and climate intelligence unit he wasn't involved in the study about why they could be such a big Gulf in these numbers. Mismatch seems to be the testing doesn't take place in real world conditions and so you can test them in a lab. We can go out on a test drive and that's fine. But actually people don't always use a cause as they do in a test condition and I remember there was actually a study out a couple of years ago in the. which looked at the behavior of company car hybrid drivers. So. People. Who'd be given a company COM- that was a hybrid. Found was a lot of those drivers would actually using the electric components of this at all they simply driving around using the petrol engine, and of course, you do this you emissions and not going to be lower. The name would be from just having the petrol engine itself. In fact, they might actually be higher because you'll lugging around big batteries on but you know using it's just extra whites. So what happens then just verbally background in those kind of testing conditions that makes them so different from the real world is. Obviously the tests done in a in an artificial situation. So you can go out on a test drive whatever it might be a twenty kilometer drive, but the driver knows why they're doing that drive sometimes the matron street ducks tests in the in the laboratory with the cause of mounted on rollers, and you've fit hose of the of the source by any catch emissions. But again, you'll driving behavior will be changed by the fact that you know that you're in a test. What's also emerged a few years ago when we had the so cool diesel scandal was that at times the testing labs, they seem to have an unhealthy relationship with some of the call companies now, I don't know if that's. The case in this instance with the hybrid test but you know that something's GonNa say they're in history of much manufacturing in Europe. So you I think the main reason is though the behavior one, we all know, for example, when we we jumping call, we know that the emissions are going to be highest when the engines code and we should sit a woman. We don't always do that because sometimes we are hurry we don't always drive is the old driving strokes is used to say as though there's an eggshell between your right foot on the accelerator pedal to conserve gas we accelerate sharply we break shopping, we do all these things. So that's why this real world think is. So is so interesting. which a tell me a little bit the new policy decisions. The hybrids question matters in the context of policy that the British government is expected to make in the next couple of months, which will be basically a ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel engined 'cause it's going to set a date when the ban will come in the date could be as early as twenty thirty. It could be as twenty, thirty five, and basically the main reason from climate change terms for doing. This is because transport emissions in the UK haven't been falling. This is an obvious way to do it. It's an absolute. No brainer. If you want to get to the net target, our calculations also suggesting it would be good for you K. GDP. Whole range of businesses that behind this. So one of the questions is then do include hybrids in this bath. And the government has been subject to intense lobbying from parts of the UK was motive industry which make hybrids and invested heavily in hybrid drive trains to say that hybrid should be allowed but oversee this new research does is to say, well, hang on a moment if hybrids on actually much cleaner in real. The normal petrol diesel cars why would you allow them to be continue to be sold after this band comes in why wouldn't you go straight for pure electric cars and and pure hydrogen powered cars as well? So that's why I think this finding coming as AIDS is particularly important because it does very much play into the logic of this decision that the UK government is expected to announce in the next couple of months or so. Fascinating stuff when my next car is going to be an electric for sure. Thanks very much to Richard Black. Why do kittens, puppies and human animals play from pets roughened tumbling with each other. To Team Sports Join Me Casey. Halo, as I find out why locking about is so important the health. Check out naked near science on the naked scientists website or wherever you get your podcasts. Go. Still Come, we learn what mysteriously wiped out hundreds of elephants in Botswana and ninety four percent of us are meat eaters. So what would be the benefits of more plants in our diets? Rivers. Streams and lakes are an important part of the landscape not just going to their aesthetic value but because they provide much of our drinking water alarmingly though a new survey has delivered a damning verdict on the health of these water sources even Higginbotham. It is a sunny and windy. September. Day and I'm down by the River Cam in Cambridge. There are a lot of very excited ducks some swans even a baby swan were a teenager really, and of course, the river itself even with summer coming to an end here. In the UK there is still a lot of people on the riverbank and in high summer the Riverside is a popular spot for picnics punting and even swimming. But despite this idyllic seen a recent report by the Environment Agency revealed that there is more going on below the surface and it's not good news earlier I spoke with Janina Gray from some and trout conservation to understand what's going on. The results which came out last week or the water classification results according to the Water Framework Directive, which is a piece of European legislation which looks at the health of. To police or rivers or lakes are streams, and basically classifies them according to their ecological health and also the physio chemical health of the water body, and clearly the results. Last week were not very good. All of our water bodies were failing good status and that's because all failed for chemicals and only fourteen percent were healthy according to their ecological attributes and that's things like the fish, the plant communities within the rivers. That just seems to be an incredibly poor score where do these chemicals come from? So it's a wide range of places. Oversee agriculture is a is a major problem. So Pharma's Wolf Spray Pesticides on their land to oversee kill box and they'll spray phosphates fertilizers basically to help the plants Corey, and if this is washed off of rain fall into the rivers, that's when it starts causing big problems. So obviously pesticides they will kill inverse averts in the river they will cause disruption to fish and phosphates in the rivers basically can lead to us algae growth, which basically sucks up the oxygen from the water balls chokes out life. There's also. Pharmaceuticals. So from things being flushed down the toilets and going into the search system and then oversee ultimately ending up in rivers and you know run off from industries as well it's really across the board. Do you know how they actually carried the survey? They literally go to every single river stream lake around the whole of England to get these data is is not possible to survey everywhere. The Environment Agency has a monitoring network, which they then fill in the gaps modeling and anybody who knows model angle. Not The models are only as good as the data that goes into those models and unfortunately like with a lot of things across the board from. The Environment Agency monitoring has also been caught and what do you think we need to do? What can we do about this? So there's some really quick wins that we could do or the government could do ultimately at the moment a lot of the pressures coming facing almost buddies coming from agricultural sources. The regulation is already there we have something called Farming Wolves for water. We've got slow regulations, but the Environment Agency does not have the resources to basically enforce this legislation and by just enforcing that legislation, it can make a dramatic difference. It could reduce the phosphates at coming in from fertilizers could use the chemicals coming in from pesticides could you reduce? The sediment reaching rivers as well, which is bringing in a of other nasties with it, and is this just a UK problem across earth the European Environment Agency to do a report and they found the on average. It was about forty percent of water bodies were reaching good ecological status across Europe and the countries that were failing whether kind of heavily industrialized countries or basically more populated countries countries like Belgium Germany Netherlands and of course, England were faring the worst and just to play devil's advocate. Why does it matter if the rivers are unhealthy effects? All of us I think that from coming out of Covid we've all realized that actually green spaces blue spaces. Really important to our well-being, our health, and obviously these chemicals they will affect invertebrate communities which are the base of the Food Web, their internal fat fish, and all the other associated ball that we love and we care about Kingfisher's autres. So it's a wellbeing thing, all of us and obviously intrinsic value of nature that we need to protect them. But also the more chemicals the more pollution that's going into water bodies. The more basically are what companies have to pick up the cost to remove them ultimately that's us. So we're paying twice really we're paying to clean up the of industry of farming and also we're losing biodiversity will using these really connick species. Good news is it does Janina Gray speaking to Eva Higginbotham. To Africa now and back in July when we brought you the tragic news of massive elephant. Dolphin? Botswana's Banca Delta hundreds of the animals found dead. Now originally, the cause was unknown this week Swans Department of Wildlife and National Parks think that they've identified the culprit and that's blue-green algae in stagnant water and Phil Sansom reports. The first of the elephant deaths were reported back in. March? Then for me. The carcasses started appearing in droves one hundred and sixty nine and caucuses were found by June. That number had risen to over three, hundred, fifty some look like they died incredibly quickly keeling over onto their knees and faces others were reported looking disoriented wolke round in circles before eventually collapsing is deeply troubling. Elephants don't just drop dead for no apparent reason. For Africa's largest elephant hurt this unknown devastation looks like an existential disaster. Among all the possible reasons that were suggested from starvation dehydration to deliberate poisoning. Now on the can the UK charity national part rescue mentioned the following on the naked scientists. The league slightly is that this is a natural toxin something like anthrax or Green Alga. If it was any of those things we'd be expecting to see many other species also coming as well. What's one is government have just announced that this is indeed the reason tests have revealed. The is Cyanobacteria, which is a blue green, our gate that lives in water bodies, elephant conservationist Vicky Bolt cyanobacteria. In, many water systems across the world. But they become toxic when they bloom an algal blame, which is just a mass generation of new sales new bacteria and we say these like blue green scummy layers on top of water bodies, which is west coast blue-green algae usually that water body should be quite wool and nutrient rich asset slamming or stagnant. There are certain types of this blue-green algae cyanobacteria that produce neuro-toxins, toxins that hurt your nervous make it start to shut down? You might see symptoms such as confusion, muscle, weakness, muscle spasms, and actually lines quite closely with some of the symptoms that were reported in these elephants. Interestingly, these blue-green algae may have actually been the cause of some prehistoric mass elephant dials, which would be a bizarre turn of events because there's no record of them happening since until possibly now. Why here in this part of Botswana in the Okavango Delta, the area where these elephants have died is very much enclosed from the broader ecosystem there offenses separating Namibia from Botswana, fence, which keeps wildlife and livestock from intermixing. The only other water source that's not a small stagnant pond is the Okavango panhandle but the elephants to access that they have to move through human settlements in three farmlands instead that clean water potentially is not readily accessible to them, which may have forced them to use these talks water bodies. Other wildlife species on the planes were affected by this toxic water and scavengers like. Vultures that were seen feeding on the elephant carcasses showed no signs of illness as a couple of possibilities why we're not saying Matt. Firstly, it might be that just jeetan elephants fist-size they drink a huge amount of water and perhaps it's the amount of water and definitely amount of talks incident ingesting the other option is that elephants and elephant caucuses of very well monitored in Africa asserts possible bachelors waiver quoting these dead elephants, not recording anything else because of the things the hard to satisfy or less important savvy say. Both of these are just theories at the moment. I have seen a lot of people on. Still. Quite skeptical. I think that's mostly based upon the lack of transparency in the reporting from the Botswana government we have. Very, little idea of exactly what samples were taken from the elephant caucuses but will say from the water sources in the broader environment, but we also haven't seen the Pew allowed results. Like we reported last time on the program we covered the story. This is bad news for elephants as a whole because back when researchers just didn't know what this was there was a worried that this could sweep through the whole of the elephant population become their equivalent disaster. Corona. Virus sweeps through us. If. It is the blue-green algae though then we might hope that this is a limited area not going to happen now that the temperatures are going down but if this indeed is something that happened this summer because of warmer temperatures. Then who's to say it won't happen next summer or the summer after that. It might be that we've seen the path climatic conditions for causing these blooms potentially a worry as moving into a woman world and to climate change, we might start to see some of these Alco blamed happening more often. Vicky both there. And if there are any further developments in the investigation, we will be sure to update you and for more from the naked scientists one head over to our website at snake it's honest dot com. You can also follow us on social media where at naked scientists in most places, and we'd love it if you'd leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts. And if you'd like to find out more about the news stories, we've been discussing the links to each of the reference papers around websites. A NAKED SCIENTISTS DOT COM along with transcripts of each interview for every naked scientist show we make. The naked scientists podcast is produced in association with Spitfire Cost Effective Voice Internet, and Ip Engineering Services Fleet UK businesses find out how Spitfire can impale your company had Spitfire Dot Coach UK. Music in the program is sponsored by epidemic, sound perfect music, your audio and video productions. So they suggest that about six percent of people in countries like the UK a vegetarian here that means three million people. At it the other way I'm one of the ninety four percent of US choose to eat meat. But why is that? Well, it turns out it's probably a behavioral thing that's programmed into us by our lifestyles from birth as Adam has been finding out. VEGETARIANISM is on the rise but even so it's still a minority position Vegetarians and vegans have plenty of moral arguments saying things like animals not being hours to us and as someone who does eat meat. I find those moral arguments. Heart disputes to be honest. Why is meeting? So ingrained in our culture. I spoke to sociologist cakes George from Nottingham Trent University. It's something that we do three times a day or more we. We together responsible family units cover friendship units. So changing the normal ways of doing that, she's actually quite a big task because it is such a huge call of our everyday lives I think is such. Veganism and plumped by style it's become more popular adopted by more and more people than that processes. Perhaps shifting comes a little bit easier a little less unusual. That makes meeting the defunct on the default is easy to maintain. But how our automobiles presented in society to reinforce thump default. Thing there's lots of ideas that we have about being special and different and separate from the natural world. If you like the away in which we identify ourselves species as being important and special is through a sense of dominance ownership, you solve the natural resources on the planet that we live on this idea that everything else on the planet is there for us to use am I to. Use. In order to sustain an enjoy our lives as members of the human species. So from infancy, we see messaging about the normality of using animal products right from the beginning I. Mean if you think about the absurdity of infant milk Formula Brown's referencing cow was the idea that this replacement for human milk is already being subtly messaged as something that comes from another species in the appropriateness. Of thoughts view, they'll cook children's food packaging mostly camped baby food a rice and vegetables mashed up you look at the pictures on the front and the description of the males shepherds, PA Yates it's MOM's roast. You know it has a love that traditional narrative to it's about water meal is an favoring the meat parts, the animal products pause when in fact if you look at the Ingredient list that's really not seen the show at all mushed up vegetables and rice with maybe a bit of things for flavoring. So the messaging comes through right from the beginning of life, and then we see it reinforced through how other animals represented in toys in Games in film and television an on clothing. Even we see this organization of different species into their appropriate uses to us as humans. Some people look down on Vegetarians and vegans. There's that old joke. How do you find the Vegan, don't worry. They'll tell you. Where does that attitude come from? I think case because people it is being some sort of moral or ethical comment and it seems to suggest people who but Stereo Vegan fail to vegetarians and vegans are making some kind of suggested that known vegans non vegetarians have failed morally some sort of ethical show that they failed to act on a moral issue they failed to do something vegetarians and vegans done on an issue. Of. Morals. So that prompts all kinds of responses can prompt to defensiveness you speak to any Vegan they will tell you how commonidities for no vegans to account for the moderate consumption of other animals quite enthusiastically. So that's one common response but then also quite communist thoughts angry defensiveness turns round as an attack because it's a response to feeling that there are moral thoroughness is being questioned. Kate Stewart there. is a plant based Diet better or worse for us the No meat-based one and indeed does it need to be an all or nothing thing to we actually need to choose or would a shift towards a more plant based out for at least some of our meals big compromise will charene ca Sam is a consultant haematologist. She's also with the University of Winchester and she's got an interest in the management of chronic diseases using plant based diets. Sri Before we get into that. What do you personally eat? What sort of Diet do you subscribe to? I, eat a hundred percent plant based Diet to other people with called. Vegan Diet. Okay. I just wanted to put that on the table excuse the Pun because that way people can understand where we're coming from. Now in what ways do you believe that eating plant based art is better for a person than a meat dominated. Care on this, the greater your shift towards a plant based Diet. Minimizing. Foods and processed foods the healthy you are, and that's healthy body weight and significantly reduced risk of cardiovascular diseases, type two diabetes, and certain Kansas and more and more clear that those same respect to the leading to dementia in later life and if we got away from our conventional meat-based thought, they would be less incidence of dementia in our society too. So. He's not the case. Then the different populations such as in parts of Asia where meat based diets are rare that you see a correspondingly low rate of dementia and a correspondingly low rate of things like diabetes, high blood, pressure, stroke, and heart attack the shore. If we look around the world where people are living the longest in the healthiest lives and these regions in the world accord, the blue zones people are eating predominantly plant based diets eighty five to ninety percent plant based and when scientific studies have been done at difference in the health outcomes for omnivores versus pesky -Tarian Vegetarians vegans a stepwise reduction in the amount of animal. Foods, you're eating the better the health outcomes Yup. So the science is up Cetane on this but if someone says, we'll show quite like eating meat and I mean on one of them you'd have to really twist my very hard my back to dissuade me from occasionally frying Paresh. Rawal. Bacon, it's just something I. I really enjoy doing from time to time would nevertheless a substitution of some plant-based foodstuffs in place of a meat dish still translate into a health benefit I don't have to go the whole hog less probably a bad choice of words isn't it? I don't have to go all the way in order to get some health benefit. No absolutely. You don't have to be one hundred percent plant based, but I would like to be clear that you can be perfectly healthy eating one hundred plant based Diet. It comes down to a choice. The choice that we can all make any shift towards the plant based Diet is going to be better as long as it's coming from healthy sources of hope, plant foods, fruits, vegetables, whole grains not be processed foods that are becoming increasingly available, and if you're going to choose your me I, really persuade you not to eat a processed meat like bacon because it is a group one carcinogen, it causes come this and make a better choice. Whoops. Okay, well, that's off the menu then but to just coming back to the question of being healthier because one does hear horror stories where you get people who say well I'm going to turn over a new diet tree leaf and I'm going to go down the plant based Diet Route I'm going to assume meet. And then they wind up in their doctor's surgery with raging anemia because they're not getting enough iron, they can also get out of nutrient deficiency. So is that just poor eating habits because they have embraced the lifestyle without knowing what they're doing or there is? Is there a high risk that this can happen to anybody? Well I think it can happen to anyone on diet pattern and as a hematologist I see plenty of people with on deficiency and as you've already pointed out ninety four percent of the population and not beacon. Oh. Vegetarian your risk of Niemira no greater on a Vegan. Vegetarian Diet we doing our current dot pattern very poorly with fiber deficient, potassium-deficient deficient, and we we are eating too much protein from animals. And Saturated Fat. So all dot patents need careful planning and be forgotten how to do that though feel shifting a dot pattern, you need to do with the knowledge and skills to do it properly as you know, a Vegan Diet needs supplementation with and be twelve because it's not made by humans or animals. But beyond that, you need to find your nutrients in the same way as you would omnivorous. Diet. How quickly would begin to derive benefit because you've been eating a lifetime or of meat is it the fact that if I were to switch exclusive plant bates dot I that might upset my system for well? Be would actually be beneficial at a later stage of life to do that. I mean it's always beneficial to shift more towards plant based Diet, but it depends on your starting point As you pointed out, you can be healthy eating. Dot If you're doing it with lots of fruits and vegetables and other nutrient dense foods alongside the meat. So you may not feel anything but if you did need to improve your health as the majority of the UK population to, you'll find that it's easier to shed a few pounds in the first few weeks because you're eating calorie dense foods which are more nutrient dense. For example, if you do have prediabetes type two diabetes within a few days, your blood sugars will come down and you need castle management of that within two. To four weeks you'll find that your blood cholesterol level if it needed to be lower will come down to a healthier baseline. So yes, within a few days weeks months, and of course, we're talking a lot about gut health and the GUT microbiome that only takes a few days of shifting to healthy plant based died to show an increase in the helpful bacteria but it might be if you'll feeling and healthy you don't you don't feel any benefits gesture benefiting your long term health, and of course, the House of the planet to. Renew soap me. Thanks very much. That's Shrink Osam from University of Winchester. This week we're looking at vegetarianism and so far we've considered some of the health benefits of adopting a diet that's richer implant. BUYSC constituents. But what factors drive our food choices and decisions especially when we dine out or eat at work, atoms been talking to the people trying to make plant products impossible to distinguish from them meet counterparts the first the issue of what you serve anymore to order. We know there are benefits to a plant based is and we also know that people don't like change. But is there anything that can be done to gently persuade people to be a bit Veggie? Rx. Emma garage from the University of Cambridge looked at one approach in the universities. Cafeterias. We found that increasing vegetarian availability in cafes. So instead of one out of four options being military, it's two outs will increase vegetarian sales a not just a beautifully we're more likely to pick a vegetarian option anyway but even in the most carnivorous dinosaurs, they also became more likely to pick a vegetarian option. It seems that just providing people with more vegetarian implant Basil tentatives really helps to shift diets. Another subsidies we did. We wondered. How does the position of meals cafeterias? How does that influence sales? I'm so week by week, we swapped present a vegetarian option nearest the entrance of Veg, I condition and pudding the vegetarian option further away from the entrance on the meat option I. I'm what we found was that when there was quite a long distance between those two options, one hundred and eighty one centimeters to be precise. Then vegetarian sales increased by between four and six percentage points how when the Vegetarian and meat options were quite. Close together, less than eighty centimeters putting the vegetarian option. I didn't Radi increased sales, and in fact, sales could even be lower said, that was quite surprising unexpected because this very commonly held belief. If you want people to just pick something more, you put it near a cafeteria entrance and we found that's not really the case necessarily I can work under some circumstances. So it seems to be the more important thing is about having a vegetarian option being the easiest thing, the default option the least efforts. But that's not the only way there've been leaps and bounds made in meat substitutes things like meat free burgers or Vegan Sausage Rolls Chris Davis Research Director of impossible foods is working on making the best meatless meet. We started off with a specific mission in mind which was to replace animals in the food system and not do that. You need to provide a better product. The provides more consumer benefits and sell it to people low cost. Than that, if that product was the has been benefit bandages, you can make some difference to the best center. So because of that, we started off with a very cliff focus on. Meeting, the normal meat eaters where they are today. So no trying to awesome to eat anything differently. Try something that looks exactly behaves exactly like the meat. Eating and says result of that we we went back to first principles. What is it about an audition? The provides the the sensory delight the way cooks way transitions way handles. All of those things are important to the social glue that provides a lot of ways, and so what we had to do basic back his principles, identifying molecular ingredients that enabled us to replicate that. And I think that's just a different approach than any of the previous companies have tried in this field. So let's start with the schism. Schism. Of cooking mean. You think about what it is critical to your retirement of me but it really is nothing to do with the animal is really do do with the way the fact in the water leaks from the under one when you cook it. So by measuring that, we can end. Okay. How do we replicate that behavior and so we're able to create a fat may make an included in the composite material that law meet. The had that same performance leakage that led to the same sizzles. When you now cook it on the grill, you get the sizzle cooking on a barbecue, you'll get the. The plane's coming up with his own sufferings. Driven by fundamental standing of House is. Basically done that all the way through me and what is Chris? Admittedly biased opinion about the importance of meat alternatives like the ones from impossible foods. This is probably the most interesting clawson scientific challenge that is currently going on in the world is how do you feed the world with delicious nutritious food? A way that enables us to maintain the planet in a state which we live. The we maintain having rainforest that we can make a significant dent in climate change people underestimate how important the food system is to our impact upon the planet. And we can do. So much better if we step aside from the Stone Age technology of animals. Eating animals made sense as a pre agriculture society but trauma justice straight up efficiency perspective and our ability to feed the nine billion people will say we'll have on the planet in a few years time we need a better way to feed people. Chris, Davis there on before him embarrass. Have you tried any of these meat substitutes Adam I. Have I've tried as one that they sell. That's kind of the same kind of deal is impossible foods and it is surprisingly like a burger. It's worryingly like a girl most. Just either Higginbotham who works with us I think she was saying that the day that someone presented with two sausages one was the real deal. For Poke and the other one was one of these meat substitutes and and she said she couldn't tell the difference. So the economy kind of good sign I think I shall have to perhaps bite the bullet as well as the sausage. Well, let's zoom out a bit. Now Chris Davis was just mentioning to us it's not just our health that can be improved by. A world's more plant based Diet. The planet can benefit as well with us to explain how is University of Manchester, Physicists Sarah Bridle. She's also the author of the Book Food and Climate Change Without the hot air, and it's lovely to have her on the program Sarah Tell us first of all, what proportion of the climate change gases that we omit in a year is. The contributor, all source of. Well, intensive all a cutting down forests strategy agriculture on the land and then animals and its allies on the fields and so on. All the packaging and transport and everything at quarterback greenhouse gas emissions currently coming from food and increasing. As there are more people eating more Wa- climate, unfriendly foods. and. What fraction of that quarter is meet? A half of that is coming from me depending on how you up but yeah, it's awful more. Meat. So high because you think will meet meet. We're going to eat that. So why would meet contribute so many climate change gases well, funds Benchley we have to grow a lot of food to feed animals. So it takes about sixteen times as much land to produce animal based foods as it does to produce plant based foods goodness. So in other words, what fraction if you do the sums then of the total land in agricultural use is just Growing food for animals about eighty percents about four fifths of the current agricultural land is currently being used to produce food for animals with US law isn't it? So that means that if we win budgetary in and I'm not from suggesting that anyone would embrace the idea. But if we did does not mean then the the eighty percent of land would immediately be liberated because we wouldn't have to grow food for animals that we wouldn't want to eat. Very daily Yeah I. Mean We'd have to go a little bit more lance just to make up for the calories and nutritionally lose from the. But even then three quarters seventy, five percent of the agricultural land would then be freed up, and we could use for other things like maybe they forest, for example, pulling carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere and that itself would also help to combat climate change. But you pointed at this when we first began to talk just now when you civil actually the human population although it's only a quarter of a vow contributions, the human population is growing so that quarter is growing as well. Isn't it? So it's it's continuing as the. Human population grows to get bigger and bigger and bigger as a contributor. So even if we did go vegetarian, we'd still end up with food production being a very significant source of climate change gases. Absolutely I mean we we have to do something about that three quarters that the rest of it. But if we if we stop burning fossil fuels, then food would then be the biggest controversy climate change and it certainly hopefully, we can retain fuel usage and it'll be more important in terms of climate change in the next decade type. What therefore is our best approach. How do we get a handle on that? Twenty? Five percent is is the food industry to bear down on that, and also if we do switch away from mate towards more plant based is how do we keep driving down? The contribution to climate change gases gases from agriculture. Well I really really failed that this not after information that easily accessible at the moment say quite often people will just say for example, an average vegan diet causes a half the greenhouse gas emissions of an average omnivore diet. We can do these very very broad generalizations but actually in detail of course, some Palmer's working extremely hard to reduce the climate impacts of what they're producing and so. Actually. What I really want to see is is labeling of greenhouse gas emissions on all food buckets, and then we could actually go in there and rewards that great were already being done by many producers. But also that would mean that reproduce themselves. It'd be a lot more aware of climate impacts and would work on that side as well to reduce the climate in parts of what's being produced. Roommates equivalent the evil or some worse than others. Types of climate's impact like difference between different types of meat. So if we cut something like F and lamb than that that come from ruminants they they've got particular type stomach and about five percent of calories eaten by a cow abrupt out books reports as far as me. and. So that's a potent greenhouse gas. So the tend to be over forty times. The amount of climate impacts save you got forty times as much. Agreed us. From eating piece of beef than the waiter that beef it's relatively high compared to something like say chicken, which is closer to ten times. So about a factor for difference between something like chicken beef. More, how does dairy fit into the equation because you've got to keep cal to have milk and therefore another stapler of often many vegetarian diets is cheese, for example, which comes from milk. So how did the equations breakdown in Shakedown for the dairy industry? Yes Absolutely, true, and if you if you were to look at something like cheese actually on average causes, more greenhouse gas emissions, the chickens. So if you're a meat eater who I only chicken replaced all about chicken with cheese would actually be on average worse the climate hence, you saying that's why we need the labeling absolutely and it's just not so well known that these big differences. And it's simple. I'll just start eating lots of fruits and vegetables, but a lot of that stuff doesn't grow in this country. So when factors in the carbon footprint of transport, how does that affect things would that be reflected in the label on the supermarket shelf I would say that will be difficult. Wouldn't it because how the supermarket know that I'm going to drive to the supermarket to buy that apple or something, and therefore add my carbon footprint to it or would we just have to live with the fact that extra carbon costs are necessary? There's lots of different ways of doing the climate they believed. For example, often people don't count the consumer. What we do citizens within that that number. So you might not necessarily have your car journey to the market, but inside that label should definitely be all the transport that's happened to get that food to the supermarket. It very much depends on how that food has been transported if the same piece of food to come by ship versus by air than playing it by air causes one hundred times, more climate impacts than than setting it by boats. So as consumers, we don't usually no. Let me go to supermarket which things have come by air or by boat, and so it's very difficult to know but if you have something that's by air. that it starts to get climate impacts comparable to those of some of the lower lower impacts needs an animal products. So thank you. We must leave it there that Sarah. Bridle. Thanks the guests this week. Of course case to it Shrink Osam Emma Garrett Chris Davis so is that convinced you to shift towards more plant dominated I will I'm going to give it a go and I would welcome any advice or recipes that veggie virgin like me could easily embrace to send them in Chris the naked scientists Oko. Finally we've got time for question of the week this week. Phil Sansom has really worked in a sweat in his efforts to insert listener members why why? Why I can work in the yard and be covered in sweat for hours and only stink a little. But reveal one sensitive personal thing to a group of friends and immediately stink to high heaven. I have a rubbish sensors smell and probably about sense of shame to I've never noticed this but Margaret has touched on some genuine science and I've to experts here to explain between them Angela Ballard from the International Hyper Hide Joseph's society, and University of Cambridge physiologist Kristof shooting US Angela I. This your body produces when you're on stage interviewing or running late is indeed smellier than the sweat produced when you're working in your garden or exercising. Your body is two different kinds of sweat glands. When you get the whole exercising, the sweat you produce comes from Akron Sweat Glands distributed all over your body. This type of sweat begins after a slight warmup period and tends to be odorless because it's composed mostly of water wolf's the liquid contains a natural antimicrobial. It provides the moisture that allows bacteria on your skin and your close to growth producing a little stink. The amount of thing will depend upon what bacteria present and the sensitivity of your nose to those smells. But. A word of warning others may detect a strong smell from you under those conditions because they are not adapted to your smile. APPA sweat glands on the other hand are found mostly in your underarm area genital area and on your feet. These glands produce a thick viscous fluid that's full of proteins and lipids and respond immediately to stress no warmup period required now fresh EPA crimes sweat does that she smell that bad but it is more than a crime sweat and critically wets regions that are rich in bacteria and odorous. And when you get embarrassed the ABA, crying sweat wet sleaze regions and all of a sudden, the Pong is released and the bacteria that naturally live on the surface of your skin love to feed and grow where there's proteins and lipids, and when you have bacterial growth, you have odor. You knows like everyone else is is sensitive to it because it gets to smell it if you like for the first time, but most people would struggle to detect a major stink under these circumstances. Could be that you'll `bacterial population is particularly pong. or it could just be that you'll know is more sensitive than most of the People's. Thanks to Kristof Angela for helping with that answer. Now, don't run away because next week question comes from Listener Charlie humans have adrenaline for our fight or flight situation. Do Bugs have this too? 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Be it Resolved: Social Media is a Force for Good in the World

The Munk Debates

40:23 min | 1 year ago

Be it Resolved: Social Media is a Force for Good in the World

"It's time for this toxic binary zero-sum madness stop not an imperial power our we're revolutionary power. We are no longer in a world where you can plot out move statesman to statesman like a chessboard. You don't know anything about my background where it came. I'm from it doesn't matter to you. Because fundamentally on the mean white man. We can't do this to the next generation because America will cease to exist. Welcome to the munk debates podcast. I'm your moderator. Roger Griffiths our mission every episode is to provide you with a civil insubstantial debate paid on a big issue of the day. Free of spin focused on the facts and animated by smart conversation by the end of each debate. Our hope is that you'll be armed with enough information shen to make up your own mind about any given issue on this episode. We debate the motion. Be It resolved. Social media is a force for good good in the world we're trying to blame the platforms for the behavior of the people using them or what we don't like is that behavior. That's what we have to deal with. We are choosing. have this really miserable system because we are Finishing idea of not having any rules twitter facebook instagram social media has transformed the way we communicate the images we see the articles. We read the videos we watch but lately these technology legit titans are being criticized for having created platforms which supposedly spread lies and political propaganda. Transforming Modern Society into an angry mob Bob of antisocial uninformed disenfranchised citizens for big TEX critics social media's fueling hatred misinformation and threatening lightening the very foundations of our democracy for proponents of social media for people who are willing to take a second look at it they see it as expanding being the scope of human freedom by connecting communities disrupting vested power structures and empowering marginalized voices around the world on this installment of the Munk debates podcast. We challenged the essence of these arguments by debating. The motion be it. Resolved social media is a force for good in the world arguing for the motions. Jeff Jarvis. He's a journalist. Professor and advocates passionate advocate of the open web arguing against the motion is known Cohen. Former New York Times columnist an author but terrific book the No one else the rise of Silicon Valley as a political powerhouse and hand social wrecking ball. Jeff nome welcome to the munk debates podcast. Great to have you on. Thanks thank you. So Jeff as per debating convention. We're going to start with you I. I'm going to put two minutes on the clock. Let's get your opening statement on why you think. Social media is indeed a force for good in the world. I would start by saying that. Social media itself is a misnomer. The Internet is not a medium. The Internet is not part of media. It's the reverse media is now being subsumed and into the Internet along with every other sector of society and it's not media in the sense that is not content is not produced like a magazine or newspaper. What it is instead is conversation? And what the social media now allows us to have is a few billion voices who were now heard who could not have been heard in the hegemony of mainstream media and I know because I was part of that problem in mainstream media a room newsroom filled with old white men who look exactly like me who were making decisions and who didn't have the life experience of so many others recently in the New York Times University of Pennsylvania Professor Sara Jackson wrote a wonderful op. Ed about about all the people who have been brought out by the Internet African American survivors of gender violence who have used hashtags as platforms to be able to assemble able and act and create movements hashtags. Like of course black lives matter. CNN be like me too. Yes all women I. I learned a great deal from the Hashtag alone of living while black experiences that I didn't half possible only because the Internet now enables these voices to have place place so I fear that if we see the rising tide of moral panic come in around the Internet and 'cause regulation to occur. We could cut off these voices. We can have the unintended consequence of trying to go back to a past. And I'll just say this. The Internet is yet young. After Gutenberg's press it took a century and a half before anyone thought to invent a newspaper in Gutenberg time starting with fourteen fifty when he printed the first book. It's only fourteen seventy five twenty five years away from the beginning of the commercial web. It's twenty five years into this brand. New thing is changing society in life and I say let's have some faith in our fellow. Oh man and woman and user that we will figure this out we figured out printing. We had thirty years war but we got to the end of it. We figured out telegraphs. We figured out the telephone. We've you figured out television. We will figure out the Internet. Don't shut off the value of the new voices. We hear there thank you Jeff Jarvis. Great Opening statement known. Coinciding for you. We're going to put two minutes on the clock. Your opening statement starts now. Sure yeah and I and I and I relate to a lot of jeff saying and I had a lot of that same idealism Zimet and I don't want to be too pedantic but I think the questions whether it's a social good or not and that simple force for good in society and I think that's such a clear answer that it isn't and that doesn't mean that communicating indicating is bad and being connected as bad. It means the way. It is being practiced now by handful of companies. Who Make these important? Decisions is really been bad for society and it's really interesting. This recently there was just a a memo that came out that was written by one of Mark. Zuckerberg's top deputies Guy Andy buzzwords and he served trying to rally the troops and defend facebook and the best he can come up with a say. It's no worse than like a company that uses sugar to get people to buy their product and he sort of sites example of a company like an Oreo accompanied like Orioles cut back the sugar and then no one bought it and they ended up buying some other products. Fire the CEO and they put the sugar back into quadruple stuff. Orioles and everyone's happy even he isn't saying that facebook is a force for good. He's saying I believe in freedom and I believe that we should regulate that our company should run the way it is but it is actually a lot like a company that gives people very sugar heavy salty food. He also says in the same memo that that facebook got Donald Trump elected himself very much is upset that Donald Trump and then he gave the Max Hillary Clinton so in essence we even if that if Jefferson concede that one point that which facebook itself claims that facebook got donald trump elected. Wouldn't wouldn't that be argument that facebook one example of social media in our society is a force of forbade not a force for good. So I think there's just focused on the narrow question are are these social network platforms a force for good. Obviously I think connecting is good. I think communicating is good. I'm very glad about voices that that are getting a chance to speak. They couldn't before but the question at hand whether these companies are making society better or worse is so clearly not true so clear. They're making things worse. I think the answer the question answering that stuff. No thank you for that opening statements. So let me just briefly encapsulated the two arguments that you put forward here Jeff you're saying that this is a young pedometer on social media social media is in its infancy. We don't know where this is going to go. But we've mastered other media in terms of its effect on our society it's contributions to who we are and we're about so. Why can't we do that with social media to nome you're saying in the sense that Social Media's like a double double oreo filled with all kinds of of horrible stuff that is purposely put in there to entice us to attract us to make us consume it. It's a it's a corporate product Yes it does all these other good things but at the end of the day sitting behind it is a profit making company. They've chosen to not engage. They've chosen not to make this decision about how to run their company. Well they chose him say they don't care about the social impact. That's that's a choice. They may I don't think that's a given for any company. There used to be companies that cared about social impact. The clearly say that we believe in freedom and we're not prepared to make these tough decisions about whether Donald trump is like using lying and ads ads with Donald. Trump is suppressing the black vote. All these kind of things. That are very clear problems. They're just saying we're not going to gauge the. That's too dangerous. The main thing now that people are talking about the political ads that you don't want to take down political ads. That people know are false. They contain false information. It would I believe is that in a democracy. It's really important that people can see for themselves what politicians are saying that they can make their wrong judgements. And you know. I don't think that private company should be censoring politicians or news. Start focusing on that narrow point then have your rebuttal Bottle Jeff to to what you've heard from gnomes opening statement and his interjection just now so I lead. Nobody agree about free speech and I think we earnestly do but I think in in a sense of you're trying to have it both ways insane that the companies are are bad and they should be doing things around Donald Trump. But then you also don't want them to control our lives and control our conversations. We've got to choose one or the other and I know I might sound like a libertarian. I'm a Caballero Democrat and morning to be clear here here but I do believe that the freedom of the net needs to go and we need to have some faith in our fellow human beings number one. I don't believe that facebook caused Donald Trump. I believe we had fundamental systemic systematic problems in the United States. I'm sorry to Canada. I'm sorry to the world that we did it but we did is because we have racism in this country is because we have fear of outsiders in this country it was stoked stoked by Rupert Murdoch and Fox News And I would further say that my feed is not filled with trump's and Nazis. My feed is useful is filled with friends. It's filled with good people intelligent things. And I think we have this moral panic presumption that Oh my God. It's all a cesspool but it's not we. I need the data. The data doesn't say that don't say that facebook and Cambridge Analytica elected Donald Trump. And they don't say that the Internet is accessible. We just have have a media narrative of the competition saying they don't like facebook so no comment on on that issue because it sure horror of Jeff's opening statement here or is that his contention is that we're in the middle of this quote moral panic. TV there was a panic about it. There was a panic about Comic Comic Books Comic books you can go through there is. There is a history of pattern this behavior. Why do you think that doesn't apply in this instance? You know. There's a famous line of who of saying. What do you think of the French Revolution you know too soon to tell? He's saying that the Thirty Years War with Gutenberg Bible. Okay so we might be in the middle of the thirty years war and you know in the knock off a quarter of the population of Europe. But they did prevail in the light McCain. When you ask these questions of what's good or not good you can easily argue? Someone giving someone heroin when they're addicted to heroin is a a good thing at that moment. It's a good overall public policy. No I don't think so but again people argue that they're the best policies have rules about drugs. Let's just again unpack with Jeff said about Fox News being a real source problems in America if facebook has an algorithm that encourages Fox News to be read by people who've made it clear they want Fox News is allies to be what they read. Is that an indictment facebook because it would that be something that would be a social negative if they did something by design that lets more Fox News be read by people who are prime. I am to believe it. Wouldn't you buy your own. Definition of what is bad and good in America agree that that is a bad thing. So here's the problem. gnome everything that you accuse. FACEBOOK OF IS TRUE TRUTV my industry media and journalism. We Feed Double Orioles to people. We try to give people what they want. We divide people we Make big money based on trying to sow discord watch. CNN Any given day so you know I. I think that it's too easy to blame the newcomer into into this field facebook for the problems that we have that are inherent in the media. Business Model and in the way media operate the I. I don't believe that and I would think you believe it because because you basically you picked out Fox News as being separate and distinct from the rest of media is certainly shouldn't speak for me when I am I. Would I approach and I've worked. I do not believe they are printing lies as incitement. I don't think they're looking for clicks. I'm not saying that doesn't exist. I hate to see again to win this kind of argument I was thinking about how if I had your side. How would I win it? You would have to argue either that that everything is bad that is how would you defend something we know causes these say everything is just one second job basically are defending it by saying that you initially pulled out Fox uses this is a source for why don trump got elected. It's stoking as angry audience. It's lying to them. It's misleading them. And if I were to say to you that facebook is a promoter of Fox News through its algorithm which you can dispute or not but if that were true. Wouldn't on your own terms mean that that facebook is source of social discord in a problem. I'm asking those. I believe the fact that if the facts were true and do you believe factions the same as all other media. Then that's a different statement. You said Fox News is uniquely problem. You're now saying all on media or the same as saying that the business model of all media is the same as the business model for facebook. We value clicks and we value attention that leads inevitably to cats and Kardashians and alternately to Donald trump the click bait candidate so we've got to recognize our problems in media there and facebook doesn't just promote Fox News to people like Fox News facebook. Bruins the new your times to people who like the New York Times facebook gives you what you want which is true of all media and true all marketing. And so you know. I think we've got a larger systemic issue issue there. But here's you want to know how when the debate. I'll win the debate by saying that. I think that what we have to do is grant our fellow man and woman agency we have to grant that they have choices and they have abilities to decide what they want to do and when they make bad decisions and Donald Trump is a bloody bad decision in my view. All right right. They've done that and and we've got to look deeper. Systemic reasons why I don't believe that the entire United States was saying one day and then along came facebook and made us all insane and into idiots. I think that there was a problem with our educational system. There's a problem with our racism. There's lots of other problems. And yes can bad actors come and the NIP and exploit that yes are those weaknesses ones that should be dealt with better than facebook does absolutely. I'm not defending vending facebook here. What I'm defending is the people who use it again? In other way you might defender when you talk about freedom and only thing I can think of I think very compelling to get off facebook for a moment was talking about Google and the story to me. That's very compelling to think about Dylann roof where you know. In essence Y- became radicalized by doing searches and Youtube about white nationalism. I and the only analogy I can make remind remind Lo who's dylann roof was right so he he's a young man who went into a black church in You know in South Carolina and fired and killed many people you know and it was a horrible story and this person you know this guy. This Guy Dylann roof roof was radicalized because he went and did search on Google and got more and more evidence of what he wanted to see. And the only knowledge I can make as imagine a world where a a kid wants to a library and said I've been hearing a lot about Adolf Hitler or whoever WanNa be really interesting. I'd like to read more about him. Where are the books that are about like how the Nazis organized and what they believe? I don't think the library shouldn't have mine confident. It should be there but a human being who sees a young man who is clearly troubled. Would say him you know. Wow I see why you might be interested in Adolf Hitler but let let me just talk about. Why and May this other ideas you WanNa encounter and I know you really are strong? Wind read about this white nationalism said let me just have a conversation. That's what a human being a fellow I would do. So I have great faith in people. And so that's how they would handle it now if you WANNA handle up instead by just saying well. You're interested in Nazism. You're sitting right national. Here's how you find it. Here's the list and you know if you paid more even more books. I mean that's not the way we organize society. So how much. How much do you want facebook to or Google or youtube or twitter to become the editor for all? This is the problem with the discussion about whether facebook. For example twitter should fact check a political ads. It's our should deal with fake news. Jeff I think I think that's. That's an interesting issue. There's been in the news. Why do you think twitter made one decision? facebook made another. I think they were both wrong. I think that twitter is cutting off the potential for new political candidates to use this new medium new movements to use this new medium in a way to reach people. I think facebook is wrong because it sets. No standard at any politician can say anything. FACEBOOK is Garden Party and at some point Mark Zuckerberg say. You're you're welcome here and you're not and the estimate judgment were no was saying before I agree with this is they are allergic to making judgment and some extent we should want them to be. Because I don't want Mark Zuckerberg the controller of the world as we completed the one breath. Oh my God they have algorithms and you put it in the other breath and they don't use them That's a problem. But I think they've got to come to some some decision where there is a judgment they make about. What is allowed there? However I'm sympathetic to Jack Dorsey? At head of twitter. Twitter is GONNA stop accepting opting political ads on the platform. Jack Dorsey has just tweeted. tweeted it out. And he says wall. Internet advertising is an incredibly powerful very effective tool for commercial advertisers Kaiser's The power brings significant risk to politics where it can be used to influence votes. They let affect the lives of millions. Do you really want to be the the person who cuts off. Donald Trump from his most believe beloved medium. That's a tough position to be in a way. I wish he'd do it but another way. This is this is democracy. See this is the conversation of democracy. This we're stuck today. You're listening to the debate. PODCAST be resolved. Social media is a force for good in the world are going for the motion. Is Jeff Jarvis. He's a journalist. Professor and advocate for the open web arguing against the motion is known Cohen Former New York Times tech columnist and author of the know it alls the rise of Silicon Valley as a political powerhouse in social wrecking ball. Let's rejoin the debate in progress. Be Resolved. Social media is a force for good in the world. I'm your moderator. Rudyard griffiths so now let's let's come back to you on this this idea of neutrality. Why do you feel that this this media these new media they are not neutral in ways that you think advance you know the public good the public interest and you in fact that this neutrality is in some ways at the core of your argument as to why they're causing harm? Yeah I I don't think they are neutral rags. I'm trying to make the claim that that the algorithms actually you know encourage she you down a bad path and we could even separate out the you know even like I have young children watching Youtube leads them to. It's a well known story that the Algorithm Rhythm has a certain arc in progress with two. It's not neutral. My Mom was always founded that quote saying no. The law is infinite. Majesty forbids the rich and poor light from sleeping under the bridges right. It's idea that law can be neutral and it's like saying rich people can't sit on. The bridge is important against similar bridges. Oh rich people don't actually want to sleep under the bridge that's interesting if a neutral law. Aw neutral rule that says politicians can lie. That's not neutral because politicians have power. Donald trump is not a regular person. So I it is creating meeting a class of people who are allowed to lie to people and they already have power so neutrality is itself a kind of a loose thing I think freedom is another phrase that they use more often than neutrality. The sort of say. Oh my God what do you want me to do if he does something you get mad. If he doesn't do something you get what I'm really arguing for and and of course comes back. What am I I? I was trying to win the argument that they are a social negativity. I think we can kind of see that when I ask how would we solve it. I do argue for something that involves smaller scale could argue that. I don't WanNa live in a world. That is so libertarian. And so extreme stream. It's idea of freedom that people are just little individual modules. No one should know. Care what you're doing. You shouldn't care at your neighbors. Doing you know as my neighbor reading a lot of white nationalism. It's not my business sounds good we all have a stake. In each other's I'm arguing for a company that cares about about society and that would make it more likely to be social good the one absolutely just says we just follow our basic principles. Anyone can use our platform for anything and we'RE GONNA try to get him to beyond as long as possible. Those are not neutral. Values are negative values. And we I know that from living in a society with facebook and twitter and Youtube but the problem there is who society do you want them to build and here we have people in the same continent talking about this but if you go to the rest of the world there's an American view that has been exported to the rest of the world and I think that facebook and twitter Google in a sense apart from there. Ah Grant Libertarian View Try Not to impose too much of a cultural view on that and let's also say that we are three white men men sitting here talking about this and I think that If you are someone who was excluded from mainstream media and you now have the opportunity to speak You don't want other people making your decisions for you because that's all you've ever experienced. Is that that that mainstream media decided what was news. What was not and what was important and what was not who was important and who was not and that's what the Internet brings us and again are we doing this? Well know perfectly God no. Is Facebook Book Messing Up Day by day. Absolutely is twitter mason but it up a little bit less. Yeah but we're learning. We're figuring this out and I think that the that the basis of where we go social media in essence a good is is saying in the end is the public conversation good and it is now there are idiots there if you go out here. I'm I'm I'm talking to you from Times Square the center of the universe and if I go out and and I'm fond of saying that twitter is nothing New York Times it's time square so out there I go out walking. I'm GonNa Find Idiots I'm GONNA find elmo's I'm GONNA find a lot of strange things out there. I don't listen to them all. I don't try to correct them all I let it be. It's part of what society does and we have to recognize. I think a bit of that kind of Lizzie. Fair view of the public conversation. And letting it go and the question we should ask then is. How do we bring value to that? I think the problem album with net so far is built entirely around talking and not around listening and so we've got to build new abilities to find the good stuff find the expert people bring Out The good stuff and we haven't built that you're listening to the monk debate podcast the resolved. Social media is a force for good in the world to listen to more debates on everything from climate change to religion to geopolitics to the future of human progress visit. Our website MUNK DEBATES BATES DOT COM will rejoin. The debate was known Cohen arguing against the motion. Be It resolved. Social media is a force for good in the world the questions whether these platforms are creating some system or rules were people can really communicate flourish or not so. It's obviously see beyond ironic that we know these platforms push out minority voices particularly twitter and don't really institute real rules about how how people behave. So they are not open areas and again that would be as if you took the attitude. That time square could have white nationalist yelling at people all the time where you could yell at women and make them uncomfortable on the street. There are streets that are like that and the idea. You wouldn't want to correct that is that is a huge problem. It's not a media publisher. It's not the same as a newspaper but there are basic rules of of decency and conduct that they are not hosing it. What are you corrected that case? Yeah okay this. This guy's this guy's is a great segue to what are are there rules. Jeff that you think could or should be imposed to create to bring in your view the better content richer content the more community fostering content to the surface. Do you accept a rules. Based order for social media probably that Roger does his rules by whom imposed on whom and to. WHO's decision what we really see happening? Here is I think we're trying to blame the platforms for the behavior over the people using them. All we don't like is that behavior. That's what we have to deal with. We're we're in the process right now of setting norms. I remember when a little tiny cameras cameras came out and Google glass came out there was kerfuffle at the time in. Your Time's person. Did a column on this. Oh my God. People are going to go into the bathrooms and locker rooms with Google glass on and take pictures. Well that presumes that a normal person was suddenly made into a jerk. When they put this device on It presumes that the rest of the of the population. There isn't going to shame them out of that bad behavior. It's going to presume that we're suddenly without any agency of our own and that's not the case. We are trying to negotiate norms now. Part of the problem here is an I'm part. I'm guilty of this too. In the years past on twitter there are fights that start up and people get into those fights will. That's as bad as being on a third grade playground and you know yelling fight. Fight over there what we have to do is we have to have a norm. That says don't encourage that behavior. Don't feed the trolls. The behavior were going after his not that out of the platform. It is that of our fellow man and woman our fellow citizen. That's what we gotTa refigure and we do that through parenting and education and other things that take time I just thought back my own book. There was very key episode in the history of the Internet. was when Tim Burners Lee write them the person who created the World Wide Web when he was designing ending it he initially initially was trying to create a system where people would be much more writing much more like wikipedia where the browser wouldn't be just taking information but make it very. He's view edit the web and the browser came after the became much more. Marketable mosaic was much more about the experience of watching rather than producing so I always look at Wikipedia for all its. It's flaws as a as a group committed trying to make rules and trying to have some basic decency and there are people who are kicked out for bad behavior and it's more like a society in society nineties not a free for all and it isn't a Libertarian Paradise Rack and do whatever I want and you know it. That's not the kind of world I WANNA live in. I'm not all for having these big rules in having big brother watching you but I also think you can't be naive to think that these commercial huge gigantic money making ventures are the right people make rules because we know they advocate any authority and responsibility. They don't they don't believe any social role and we've always believed that companies should have a social role in our society and they're just the wrong the wrong people make rules and we're in a bad situation entrusted vital important tool to a bunch of inept. What I call the know? It alls people blue of no social responsibility. They are more likely to just care about making money or doing engineering. And that's a real problem. Well we don't have the right people to make rules. I don't think if we look at. The regulation deletion occurred in Europe. It's well intentioned in many cases but I think that it's backfired in every case responding to a court order in Europe. Google is giving users the right to be forgotten. Google has about ninety percent of the search business in Europe. They must now respond to requests to remove inadequate or a relevant search information on individuals. Also request it. Under European privacy laws it has been meant to try to tamp down the behavior and the power of the platforms and it's only given more power. The right to be forgotten makes Google decide what we can and cannot remember. The hate speech law in Germany makes facebook decide what is manifestly illegal. Hate Speech H.. And what it's done is had an impact on satire in Germany on freedom of expression there because the platforms are going to play safe in their lawyers are going to make them do that and we have have a really dangerous piece of legislation coming up in the UK called the online harms report where the government is going to require the platforms to take down speech that is legal but harmful nfl get a load of that thus legal speech becomes defacto illegal because the government has made a third party a company. Take it down. This is the kind on a moral panic that I refer to here is trying to said we've got to fix this thing. We're going to tamp all this crap down. No we've always had crap we just couldn't see it as much we want and Times Square Square. Listen for a while. It doesn't bother us there. We get used to it there. We understand how to filter it there. That's part of what we have to do is recognize. WHO's an idiot and who's not knowing when you see examples where regulation does work? I mean you've worked yourself. In in the media industry there are guidelines assumed. The New York Times has to follow hello Traditional television has Federal Communications Bureau does government have a role to play. No Yeah I do think are miserable to play and I I just fundamentally disagree disagree with Jeff another debate. I think the right forgotten is a very good rule. I understand the tension of saying that you know which is as rural right that says you can you can appeal and say I don't want the first first thing about me to be this misdeed. I did twenty years ago or ten years ago and I don't I wanNA have some control over my search results and I think that that's a beautiful thing and I. I think the government should try to do and it's kind of thing people want this way. That's why the law came about what Jeff Is. Really advocating. Is a libertarian. Extreme Libertarian carrying view which says that all information should be out. There should be no control or anything. No control over behavior. No control over freefall. What's that Eh? It's the latest is the first amendment. It's free speech. No free speech stops when it's an incitement and as you would agree if you were going to go back the question of twitter and Donald Trump when he's doing things that are that are incitement that are directing hatred at people. I totally understand the argument. He's the leader of the free. World is is PR- present United States. You want to hear what he has to say. But I how do you do that. Is violating what we consider restrictions on free speech why should be exempted because the internet. I don't I don't understand. Let's take that as a case study. Why all these things in the New York Times and Washington Post feel they? They're obligated to quote it absolutely. Well they would they would they do but a new not the judgment. You wouldn't quote anything. He says it he targeted somebody and said we should wait headline but I think they don't quote what he says. Sometimes they'll oh quote. Everything he says unfiltered. No person would virtually but I'm saying it's only when he does things that are that are incitement are things that we limit free speech. We don't believe in. Here's a question do. Are you respect the citizenry. The problem with the right to be forgotten is that I would think Europe of all places will understand the danger of trying to erase and rewrite history. At some point joint knowledge is out there and the only place where you can race knowledge is the movie men in black with a magic pen The idea that we can control knowledge and tell people what. They're not allowed to know what they should did. Not Know is the currency of an authoritarian regime. That's what happens in China. At some point we have to respect to our fellow man and woman even those people who voted trump in God. Help us and say that we've got to deal with that in society and deal with a higher level than trying to play whack a mole with the things we don't like said including that by the president of the United States. We we understand that technology creates a difference in the sense that like in the old days you had to go to an actual courthouse to find this stuff out you know. I'm not saying should hide. WHO's ever been arrested or property property sales? There are sites that run mugshots of people and they are shakedown operations. It is not the way you organize society to say that a Mugshot of someone should be the first thing you find and when they search them. I'm trying to argue. We are something beyond individuals with Libertarian. Extreme rights that we're actually our society it's cohesive and has some empathy and humanity and realize that that's not the way organize a society. Run Your mugshot. The first thing if someone sees you it's like that's not how again you don't go to a library AC- about white nationalism and just go right over there get go get you actually have a human being interacted and empathize and try to figure out how to correct that and if you think that that's impossible in the modern age or something i. It's very sad I think one thing Jeff you just just jeff just before we go to closer. Because I wanted to respond to that point that knows making because it's definitely part of the public debate around data collection. Do you think that there should be Sunni kind of limit on what these corporations should be collecting a Badass. Both the nature of the data set the size of that data. Set are there. Are there aspects that the concern. You as someone with with a libertarian freedom loving inclination. Let's be clear once again. Macabre Harris Morning Morning Democrat. I'm not a libertarian And and so I do believe in control society yes but I also believe firmly in freedom and and and so are there limits. Yes and we'll set them. They're already in the rules. I know when I worked in media we knew a lot about people in our subscription businesses But I also know. I wrote a book public parts five years ago which nobody bought because it was optimistic and only dystopia book sell these days in which I argued that there is a value to sharing and I shared my prostate cancer. Sir Online. I told the whole world. I had malfunctioning peanuts. You cannot get more public than that and I got great value back. Now was a choice that I made from a position of privilege. Let's be clear but I got advice and help to help other people and I think that we're GONNA lose sight of that value of sharing. Should we worry about data of core Should we worry about things being spread around. Sure but I tell you something privately. I don't control it anymore. You do and you're gonNA decide whether to share or not and that's our norm that we're trying to figure out now and we will figure it out just as we figured out other technologies gnome will will we figure this all ed or we just A couple of decades decades into Gutenberg two point. Oh and this. This is just a few bumps on the road before yes smooth information. Highway opens up before. Yeah Twenty five years the Thirty Years War sure I know I look. I try to be hopeful to and I do think that I think one of the problems is that inequality in our society and the monopolistic platforms and social networks is that they are really canning buying anything that could rival them we we. US government is not played a role in breaking up these monopoly. So it's a real problem that maybe instagram would have been this other kind of social network. facebook bought them and so we won't ever know whether there could have been and I've heard people who are skeptical of that. I didn't think that all things kind of devolved to the worst. Because that's what the capitalism says goes lowest possible makes the most money but I do believe that there if we had had genuinely a regulated related social network system and we had genuine competition there would be a better system. I always think back people in general when they are face to face with each other are much more decent than they are online. I think has got to be a way to kind of bring that back. I think we have to recognize that there. Was this idea that you know the friends on facebook are the same as friends in real life and you have more friends. Mark Zuckerberg used to talk about that. And it's not really the same so hopeful I if Elizabeth Warren were elected someone who had a real principled view about breaking Yup Silicon Valley and bring them into line. That would be awesome. I do think there's a chance that we can have other models that are that are nonprofit and there are people own their own data and there's such potential for good there now the the way it's structured has been a force for real horrible Things real social ills. Great let's Let's go to closing statements Edmonson. Jeff I'M GONNA ask you to go first because gnomes just kind of concluded there was some some thoughts of his own will will change our traditional order here. Jeff if you've listened to know him over the last half hour it's been a civil substantive debate just what we were looking for. What are your final points you want to make a final rebuttal so That you might want to underline gonNA put A minute and a bit on the clock for you now. Well I can't help but cheat and suck up to a Canadian audience by making reference to Innis. Listen Rick Lewis on where I think that. What we're seeing happen is a return to an oral cavity in society away from text based society and the presumptions? The text bring brings to us that it's produced there's a product and then it's owned and that it's edited and controlled and return to an Oral Bay Society and conversation as pre scary at the bottom line. What's really happening? Right now is a society is relearning how to have a conversation with itself and we're screwing it up. We're doing doing it badly. We're trolling each other. We're letting bad guys come in and exploit companies are doing Yeah sure greedy things But it's logger process than that and I think we have to value the voices that we hear around us and we have to stop concentrating on the bad stuff which is a minority which there's a few jerks who are ruining everything for all of us why we can't have nice things and instead we've got to start to look out for the Nice flowers in the field. Not just the Dandelions Dandelions and we've got to understand that there are things of value. The people are saying if only we will stop and listen nice summation known. We're going to give you the last last word we're GONNA put a minute and change on the clock for you your final comments place. I do believe that we all individually are going through learning process and we society are going through a learning process asses. But I do think the only way we're going to really correct music is to confront the fact that we kind of let this thing spill out the social network platforms grow without any kind of thought regulations since kind of belief that it wasn't that important and that applies also Amazon all these these digital companies thing that they're just sort of a small subset of society they really gaining such power and have such control and they've chosen to behave. Very Lazy. Fair Libertarian Approach. I'm always fond of a Canadian ban. Rush you once said you know if you choose not to decide you you still made a choice and I think that's the thing that's very important. We forget that we are choosing to have this Greeley miserable system because we are fetish sizing idea of not having any rules also a recipe for disaster. And that's I think we can make a different choice. We can choose to actually have a decent Internet with rules and have smaller companies and not just give given to the Algorithm Monolithic world. We have now known. Thank you. Well gentlemen we'd gone from Marshall McLuhan to rush In three minutes on this podcast. That's it's Mission Accomplished for me but seriously thank you for a civil substantive Debate on a on a challenging issue. This is exactly the type of conversation that we need to be having about these these types of Complex issues that Confront our society. So thank you both For helping US restore the art of public debate on this podcast today. Thank you Roger Pleasure. Nice talking to you. Hey thanks guys. That wraps up today's debate. I WanNa thank our participants. Don't Cohen Jeff Jarvis. You certainly give us a lot to think about on a controversial and important issue. 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"The power of a heartfelt story. We'll talk about that on this episode of the mind dog tv podcast yet. Another episode of the mind dot tv. Podcast i'm matt nebo. Thanks for coming. It's great to have you here as always. I wish i was outside beautiful day out here. It's like summer out. And i'm thinking i should have a studio setup outside so i could do is from outside on days like this. I hate being in the studio in the in house. It's irking because the weather is so nice. It's calling my name out there anyway. We have to be inside and we have to have this program today and we have to meet another author man. I'm losing track of the authors. Were talking to this week I think we have fourteen authors in the span of eight days. It's a lot of books to kind of keep up with a lotta offers a lot of different genres But today we're gonna be talking about this kind of interesting autism. We're gonna be talking about animal communication and a possible link between the two and As you may know. 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Larry center has always been fascinated by the relationship between humans and animals. He is intrigued by the idea of language development in children in the power of animal communication. The possibility that perhaps there is a layer where they both meet. perhaps there's more communication than meets the ear. He has a degree in philosophy intensive. Look at the world through a lens that questions reality its limits and boundaries. You've side authored. A book called a boy like no other ladies and gentlemen please open ears. Open your minds. And he'll be in larry center to the mind old tv. Podcast larry welcome. Thanks for having me i. It's my pleasure to have you so As i mentioned in the answer their i'm on the autism spectrum is and it's a pretty wide spectrum and there are lots of people who have it to some degree. What what is the your relationship to that. What got you interested in writing a book about that part of the story. That's a good question. Actually the title is like no other boy. Kinda what you said a boy like no other. So big batch that sets at the part of mike my like challenging. But i'm sorry about that. Houses mildly correcting. You're on the. I appreciate that but anyway the way i got s totally fictional story. It's doesn't is no reality to. But i got the idea that. What if there was a autistic child who happened to be a savant in terms of primate communication. And what if there was a chimpanzee who was a savant in terms of communicating with humans. In what if the two got together in primatology would stand around and see what took place and coupled it with a father who loves his child a lot in wants to see the boy come out of his shell and improve his life. He's eight years old and the father takes the boy to the zoo. The san diego zoo one day and the boys acting very withdrawn and nothing gets his attention than he. Suddenly comes to the primate exhibit in. Suddenly the boy goes. Wow we daddy this is you know. He's just suddenly standing on his toes. And any comes to the chimpanzee exhibit any starts actually communicating with the chimps. Right there in front of everybody. And there's a crowd gathering around and people who in on is kind of putting on a show as the he mimics chimps Chimps mimic back. So he's the father sees boy this. This is something i've never seen before. So he is set on getting the boy in terms of teaching them away to get in with chimpanzees so he contacts a local primatology institute and attempt to you know open up his boy through promised contact basically very different kind of book than anything. We've talked about on this program before. I it's extremely interesting to me but before we move on i have to say there are so many great zoos in america san diego's who is my favorite of all. How did you happen to pick that one. Nor lord I'll just love the weather in san diego. And i just always thought it seemed like a kind of a eighty kinda place but it's best zoo in america. It definitely is. I don't know how many been to. I've been to a lot of them But i've always been fascinated by this too and i would say that 'cause you mentioned the word savant i think And i could be wrong in this. Because i'm not a scientist or anything but having spent a lot of time looking at the autism I don't wanna call phenomenon or condition. I think that every autistic person has even if they have really severe like off the charts in communication communication problems and things like that. I think every autistic person has some level of genius. It's hidden itself the words to kind of make. It seem like it's an unusual thing. I think every single every single person who has autism had some form of hidden genius in them. So that that that intrigued me have you Have you seen any of that. You know what. What got you interested in in that. Part of making the connection between autism in the primate Communication well The idea like you were saying It seems to me like the brain. It gives in one area and takes away from another so a child with autism say lack social skills with humans but in that sense would have a talent in another area. So that's how. I kind of mixed it together to make it feasible. And if you look at there's a lady named temple grandin. I don't know if you heard her but she is a a real autistic adult who actually does have. I wouldn't call it psychic abilities but she has developed these She can picture in your mind. The way cattle react and she's developed these those ways of maneuvering cattle being slaughtered in a systematic way. So that they're not all nervous and they go through. Very calmly holy smoke. That's because of her Empathy with cattle and. She's had a hard life being autistic. You know people rejected or they laughed at or But she rose to the surface she got a degree in forgot what her degree is in. But she's written some books. They made a movie about her and she's very person and so her life gives this a little bit of feasability even though this is totally fiction. But yeah. I think. It's got a lot of feasibility just from from the start but because i've seen communication with primates especially chimpanzees and gorillas in iran's but cattle is a surprisingly see cadillac. Pretty dumb animals of so you don't necessarily think of them as very communicative. Is this this idea of picturing mental picturing. That most of us don't have but possibly because we don't practice but for some people. It's really true that mental picturing as a talent that some people just naturally have and it seems to give them a certain understanding that we don't have so. I had a guest on this program. Angie by bryce who. I'm going to have to Refer to this conversation too because she She is a psychic who talks to harshest among other animals. I married deals with. Watch yourself Yeah i'm familiar with with that. Is this your first novel. I know you're working on others but is this your very first novel. Yes so Was also being a novelist. Something on your radar from from your whole life. Did you always want to be a novelist. Right right the great american novel or is this something that just came to you later in life. It kinda. I've always written short stories. Ever since i was like twelve and but i never really tried any kind of commercial attempt but then i got older and i looked around. I said what am i gonna do. What's gonna what interests may so i just. I took up novel writing. 'cause i got bored or watching the tv shows at night. I said i'm gonna create my own. Tv show so just started. You know learning about novelist how to write them and this one's got pretty good success from what i've gotten like ninety reviews on amazon and Think ninety six percent or either five or four stars so it's people are really giving me good reviews on it so grateful for that. Congratulations on it. That's not easy by the way. I talked a lot of authors most of the authors. I have Program have had some degree of success. But i've had quite a few aspiring authors who struggled to get nine reviews on amazon so ninety is a big number. Congratulations on a first time out. Now he said you kind of Learn to write a novel. What is your approach. Did you have this story completely. Worked out in your mind and it was just a matter of typing it out or do you even type. The kind of transcribe stuff. What is your approach in right. Has it worked well. This when i've written three other novels sense and this novel. I kinda say it actually happened. It kind of unfolded before my eyes. It's never happened since but it was kinda just handed to me in a way. The whole story Just kinda appeared in a road. Basically has just can't explain it. But i don't know something. I seem to have an intuition part of my brain working to understand autism. I've never really been around any children with autism for some reason. This intuition alie stimulating. May and i was also you know really fascinated by chimpanzees and putting the two together. And what's it like to actually be with chip in a not. Very few of us really are able to spend Try to bring out the book out chimps or you know our oldest relative you know show is the past and i read a book. I think his name was ken fouts. He wrote a book called next of kin and he talks about how the chimpanzees are so close to us. And so i tried to show that relationship to i have to share this with my audience. Now since you brought that up and say the clip. I'm going to show is a chimpanzee who was raised by two uman parents and was guy got to being given to a handler. Take care of Proper give the improper care They come back to visit the chimp. And here is the reaction switz- it's really great okay. Well he's crying. they're he's hiding. Its face to highlight his. He's like a human baby will do. It's it's remarkable to me so that that's basically. The whole clippers definitely seemed very close to human behavior there especially when he puts his hand over his eyes to shield. The doesn't want embarrassed. He's crying and emotional over it. I mean to to see that behavior in animal is really stunning so I thought it would be appropriate to show in the show. Yeah the more you dig into champ. And i'm sure primatology would agree that they show you things that no not animals. In the in the strict sense they have they have a tremendous consciousness that is very close to humans if not they say i mean a two year old and a chimp is not. There's not a whole lot of difference roles in chimps so You hadn't and and i think this is interesting. I believe if. I have this correct. You also write music correct. Yeah written songs a high. Because i bring this up because you say this novel yo you kind of intuited and and a lot of times in songwriting bats the way it working not really you just kind of being a receptive to a song. That's out there and kind of pulling it from from the universe in some way. I don't know where it came from. And so with the you relate to that in does that kind of sound like the experience that you really did. I just somehow pulled. I really don't know how i did. It just pulled into me. When i when i got the idea it just hit me like lightning and it took me ten years to write the novel. Rewriting writing rewriting. But i couldn't give up on it. You know and i would send it out and get rejection letters and keep improving it. But it just kept. I couldn't stop writing. Just i would not something. There are some things you just have to do. In this i was propelled. It was just the strangest thing. I've never been propelled like that before and i've read a lotta reviews and i've got letters from people who have autistic children and they're very grateful that they read they read the book because it's inspiring and it's kind of like an advocate book for what it's like to raise an autistic child help difficulty level really puts you as a parent in a different league than the average parent. You really in the. I call it in the book. Actually say that. He's at the the world series level of fatherhood. You know because things he goes through it takes a master father and a master mother to go through this as just your basic Coronal style now definitely am raising. An autistic child is hard enough for a couple but for a single parent It's rough and it's also a little unusual. And i don't wanna give away to all to hall story because i think the biggest part of the problem with with Talking about books that sometimes like we talk too much about the story to the point where There's no need to read the anymore. I wanted to keep away from that but the idea that a father fighting For an autistic child for for custody of it It is a little unusual. we Most of the time they were just kind of quick to say. Let's say what the mother take it. And what were you know but such. It's an unusual thing. I have read the reviews and most of the people say It's a very emotionally moving Was moving peace. Who who is your. Is your prime audience. People who can relate because they have family member you know. I mean you're the core audiences responding to the book is people with experience with autism or as the general public is that people like General drama dino audiences. Well it seems to be pretty much anybody. I was surprised but the reviews from people who are single in their twenties males and females and then parents and parents of autistic children seems to reach people whether you are married or single or whether you have kids or not but mainly it really hits a thank the best if you have kids at seems to be more attuned to not standpoint but Yeah i it's interesting that that a movie like this A book like this would make a great movie because it's very story based and doesn't it's not a you know big effect or or any of that kind of stuff that big budget be a team like it would be easier to make a pure story of although we don't see a lot of films being made that a pure story dreaming stuff anymore. I think it would be a great great film. Have you tried to kind of pitch it as a film to anybody at any point well it was pitched to the studios through agent and unfortunately they at that point. This was a couple years ago. They really it's kind of a low budget. They're really interested in the global up. Yeah thing that really draw huge masses of people and unless the From what. I understand unless you've written a best like if the book you know. Sold a million copies than they would probably make a movie out of it. So that you i think what we we run into a problem with. People are small minded in the In in recognizing Great stories and so well and they complain all the time that there's no you hear it all the time from people in the film making industry that there's real good ideas out there. When a good idea and a real good story comes along they fail recognize it and so they go back to remaking King congress has godzilla. It's like you know so. I don't think you know. I think the film industry. I don't think we're going to seek quality stories happening for for awhile anymore. Shame but independence might might Aspire to do something like that so good time the Promo the book Let me bring that in. What happened over here okay. Here's the book is called like no other boy. I forget what i said in the beginning of like. Oh boy like no other. I think Like like no other boy And it's written by larry center and it's available at author larry e center dot com author. Larry e center dot com. All one word. It delivers in the description and it scrolling across the people on the visual side And i hope you will check it out now. You written three books since then they'd been published yet. No i'm still working on on. You know i am. I don't feel like. I have to make it as perfect as i can before. I want to release it. So when i'm not under any deadline because i don't have like a contract that no i got to do it within a year or something. So that's the beauty of it. I don't have to really drive myself. Crazy trying to dan. What kind of stories are they. They're unfortunately they're totally different. That's unfortunate that i like that. I think although it's hardy to gain like a following sometimes if you're your workers to different. But i think sometimes the business wants you to be or wants you to be the same every time. So they package. You like a mcdonald's hamburger and say it's gonna be the same every time we know what to expect. I like when an artist creative artists creative writer. Whatever john medium. we're in kind of branches out so please tell me. Tell me about the types of stories you writing well. They tend to they go towards more of a humorous angle. They're funny to me out. I'm hopefully there. That's the hard thing about humor. It's into a lot of subjective opinions but one is called personal training and it's about a overweight. ceo who has heart conditions. he gets assigned a personal trainer. But she happens to be a russian welterweight champion of the world. she stocks into good health unit. She won't let him go and turns into a battle of wills because he's used to getting everything he wants and she gets everything she wants so it gets personal so that sounds like a awesome story. Two great ideas man. I and sal at visit different kinds of stories and believe me. I talked to authors every day all year long sometimes two day. These are interesting things that interest me. Because usually i'm hearing about scifi fantasy romance fantasy romance all that kind of stuff and that's all good as a big for it but i like wear out where other cool ideas about interesting stories and character development That's that's a good one. And and so what are the other two. Well just just to say you know when i was growing up i never saw books as like categorized like there were there. Were just books. You know you just read a book because you liked it but now once you get into this commercial business you see that it's been very pigeonholed into you have to write a romance to me. That's just really limiting to create. because just it makes you it. Forces you into this little slot I just can't be to me. I would. I could never just write a romance per se or just so. I don't know that's just me but You know what it. I agree with you. I'm totally On the night. I find romance stuff clearly boring and i i. I'm very honest with the romance authors. I have on here but you're absolutely right. The business wants to put you in a box but most people. I talked to if they're in john in a box like that romance or sifi or whatever it is they. They're very happy staying in that zone. That and writing the same thing. Although i to me i would. I would be extremely bored by that but it satisfies a lot of people because a lot of people read it so you know And i as a musician and songwriter. I come from the same angle as i. You know people. I hate the question. What kind of music do you play because if people come up to me and say what kind of music do you play. I could go. I could go on for hours saying how many different kinds of music i play. And i wanna say what did you listen to it in at the end of the show you come up and tell me what kind of music i play because i mean it's one thing to say country folk rock pop jazz blues. I mean you can go on and on but you know after why the labels become meaningless. It's all different expression of what i'm feeling at whatever period of time that i wrote the song What about your music do you are you. Do you feel the same way that you write. A different styles. Are you mainly right country music. I just kinda now when when you say country. Do you mean the country. That i like. I'm talking to its jones. A willie nelson well well in jennings johnny cash that stuff or or the stuff we here today on the radio with like the stuff that was done. You know george jones and all that is just. That's that to me is real country that unfortunately that has gone. Never be that again. It was just one of those euros that today. You know everybody. Of course you wanna right. What's going on today. But it's i don't really like the stuff that's going on today it's too slick it's to you know to and doesn't have the sole real real old authentic country music where you know. It's not china country. I think. I think it's trying to be pop. And if there. I said made this observation a few years ago so it's probably dated now but i was here when i was hearing on. The radio sounded like eighties. Hair metal music with a country singer on it And that that's what it all sound like now in broke country and all that stuff. They tried to mix in hip hop flavored. And all that stuff. It's just like you that has an and i. I'm not against that music but it has no place in country music and i think you know it killed the kind of music we were talking about. You know the all time country music. Are you lyrics. I guy or a music press guy. Do both yeah. Unfortunately that like. I said that you know the audience for that is very. Unfortunately they're dying out. They're not there anymore. I don't know we play Like last weekend we played a bunch of all songs. They played I don't know if you know. Swinging doors morell travel more merle haggard and klay the mamas. Don't babies grow up to be cowboys in place and the response was very loud and and and you know berry People were into it. And so i and they were all people they you know they want people my age. There will hopefully that that music will still be around for So when when you're moving forward d- d- still writing prolifically. Are you a working on the any working on three books at one time. Is that what i have right now. All right i just work on one till it bores me then i go to the next one. You know gonna the other one. I'm working on is called. Cat wants out. And it's about a a thirty eight year old woman who goes to a luxurious health club for the first time and she has a panic disorder and she gets fired and dumped by her boyfriend in the span of our sins into a panic attack and she finds that she can't leave the club because she's too scared of the outside world so she ends up surreptitiously spinning night on massage tables in yoga mats avoiding nosy security guards and so she can figure out how to escape. Sal so i. I'm recognizing a steam. You walk here. it's that you know. When the shit hits the fan it hit the fan big-time flip. Cactus is that. Does that sound about right to write something. That's impactful and be because the the main protagonist in in the book just talking about. Don't even let me get the title rugged like no other boy i always i wanna say boy like the weather like boy. Protagonist the father neck actor has they similar Everything is hitting the fan at once and character development. It's it seems the way you're describing these characters. It seems like too real for it to be just made up. Are you drunk from people you know and and i don. I know that can be uncomfortable. Because you don't wanna embarrass anybody. But i drunk for people you know in real life which catheters come from. I mean a woman with the panic attacks and all that stuff Sounds like you know that person somewhere along the line or had to someone like that. Well i do. I do know someone with a panic disorder. So i've incorporated that you know just like coming out of a health club one day and i was just thinking what would happen if you just stayed there overnight. You know where everybody's gonna be kinda cool. You got an all to yourself when so but yeah just kinda draw little bits from different people and put it in there and But i i tend to right where i get my magic nation going and just seems to seem realistic a a do a good liar. I guess you would call this novel like no other boy. everybody has said. Is this a memoir. Did this really happen. You know they really think it's writing is written as a memoir but it's not it's fiction so it definitely comes off that way As as a at least reality based if not a memoir at least somewhat reality based again it seemed like you know these characters too well for it to be completely made up which is either an extreme complement to your imagination or or just make putting too much on how much ally i would go about writing that kind of book but What did you just say now that i wanted to respond to them and they hate when that the idea was In my head. And i just lost it. That quickly But so the the first book. Is you intuited now. The second books and and from there on are you more of a platter did you. Did it work more like what you thought. After story drew out an outline and did the typical Approach writing a book or or would those also just like came to. You know these had. These were more plotted out in a logical format that i'd have to reason through. Didn't it didn't come to me at all so it's a lot harder and I'm i don't know you know how good they are really. But i'm enjoying writing so we'll have to see if i get much What the response will be. But they're they're different type of story but it does come. I enjoy writing them but they are harder to write. Because it didn't just come to me so interesting the hey say i don't know how good they are 'cause i i. I've been writing songs for sixty five years. I took the sixty years. And i still question every single song. I'm not sure how good it is. And i'm wondering wondering wondering how. How universal at is how many how many successful people successful writers creators of in any medium still question work every time they do it after after of time and saying i'm wondering if i should put this out there. I wonder if it's good enough. Oh yeah the doubt is huge. You know you gotta spend two or three years on something that you have no idea you could be writing yourself in a corner that turns out to be really not good and just as easily as you could write something good. It's yeah it's hard well again. You you kinda fat statement kind of Talks to thing that we've been talking about a lot with the authors on this week is that you can't write for How audience going to receive it. You have to write it for yourself and and try to entertain and write a book or a piece that you are going to like and then But the audience kind of be. A barometer met post wise but while you writing it you have to really kinda kinda concentrate on. What would i like to read right. Yeah yeah i mean. I feel like i'm an average person of grown up with all the average american senses of what's funny you know like seinfeld and we've all seen the same humor in you know so. I'm hoping that if it appeals to me as an average person it will appeal to other people but not always right. Well subjective thing. I deal with comedians. As much as i do is authors and so there there is an audience for every kind of comedy out there and every day i come across people who don't think that guy's funny but every lie but that guy has a huge following who didn't do twenty lots and lots of that. I mean everywhere. I look in the comedy world. We see people who have a big following a a u an audience for what they do and people who hate them. Don't think they don't get them. What the at all. so yes. Comedy is completely subjective. When you read the reviews on amazon like when you go to the the bestsellers and you'll see a lot on negative reviews plus the five stars. You'll see one stars right opposing views. You know this is the worst book of red versus. This is the greatest book. I've ever read it. It's amazing at some point And i say this all the time. Because i can get sixteen million people say that that was great and one person say was awful out the person who says that was awful. The one that's gonna stab me in in and keep me up at night and haunt me and and so at some point and a lot of successful people have given me this advice. I haven't taken it yet. But i want to. I need to have somebody else. Read the reviews only feed me. The good ones yet not listened to the battle. I got one review on good reads. She gave me on one star. Because she said i use the f. word so that kinda thing it does you know sorry. Yeah yeah you can't. that's well. I can relate because the reason the reason i got kicked off a radio thirty five years ago was because i use the f. where we didn't have a seven second delay working and i use the f. word on the nfc kind of ended my radio career because i was an am radio in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine nine hundred ninety whatever and so. It was at a different time. Where if you want f bombers all you needed to kind of well and i've had authors come on the program who heard me Sason some you know profanity on this show before in written to me. And i don't know i don't know i've heard i thought you talking trash potty mouth on on the show i'm not sure if it's right for me to curse i don't have to. I don't have to be profane. I do it when. I have comedians on or i i know people can take it but i i mean i can. I can be communicate without without using profanity well. This novel does seem to have gotten two reviews in one was offended because i use bad language in the other one was offended because i win against the christian doctrine of against creationism versus evolution. So that kind of thing bothered somebody. So you know that's interesting because I've had an evolutionary biologist on this program. And i talk about this every every chance. I can't with people who are I think that we have to be on one side of the fence of the other with that. I don't think he Evolution and creation are necessarily mutually exclusive. I think you can make a case. That and i'm not making this case necessarily but i think he can make a case that god created the system to evolve in way that he planned because evolution and the evolutionary biologists had on. I asked him questions. i said. It seemed like evolution a designed system with an intelligent idea in a system that was planned out by hiring and he couldn't deny it does produce remarkable results for something that happened by accident. He said no i and he said no. I agree with you. It does seem like it's designed intelligently so there you go the argument to that person who's in you know you you're going against the doctrine not necessarily there has to be the idea before there's the reality you know somewhere. I mean that's what plato said. That ideas exist. And then aristotle came along to quantify things and you know make it into a logical process but i you have to have idea which is part of the brain the human brain we have both the idea would have the action. So it's you know anything's possible. I guess if you think about it long enough well. That's my my conundrum here And i know you have a degree in philosophy which i it. it's Unusual degree to get philosophy right because our what kind of job that doesn't qualify for. Well that's the thing. I was gonna got the degree and i was going to open up a philosophy shop but i went to the banker and he was a existential so he wouldn't give me lying. Well that's that's a good line for stand up. Yeah i mean so. Because i like to think heavy and i like to sink a big ideas and things like that but You know at some point we all need to kind of survive and make a buck and a degree like that. I was just my degree. I mean i went for journalism. I gotta drew game journalism. I never I was never a journalist. Unless you count this as being a journalist and i certainly don't But the ideas that you have What big outlook on reality. My big outlook on reality is It's there but i really don't. I don't profess to have any answers to cause and effect in a main. I think my basic belief right now. I'm always changing is that you're going to have to wait till you die to find out the real the real answers. So that's going to happen till they're and that's my belief right now so and it might not even happen then which is which is scary to me. I mean we wanna know. We want to know the answer. But the reason i say. It's a conundrum. As because i have people on here. I talked to people with all sorts of beliefs about Reality in the nature of existence and consciousness and all that kind of stuff so many different ideas. And i try to be a skeptic readiness cynic in in say question everything but don't don't rule anything out like and you said anything possible right But i have to. I think even being a a committed skeptic readiness in i have to draw the line someplace in my litmus test usually is east when i have psychic on when i have people who have Beliefs that are kind of out there for me. I asked him. Is there anything that you won't believe him because generally if if somebody the psychic believe in. Ufo's to believe in bigfoot the Quantum theory of quantum parallel universes in multi versus and simulation theory. And all these things like all at once it's like. Is there anything you won't. You'll you'll rule out immediately. And when they say no. I bring up. Easter bunny and most of them will say well. You have to admit you have to concede that at some point. They're probably a truth at that. Mrs based on. And that's when i have to close my mind that's say no no. There was no bunny bribing or walking around the countryside with chocolate eggs. And but that somewhere. I think so right. I mean in my novel Kind of approach a question. What is the meaning of life in in the father of the boy has has his own father who he deals with a grumpy old man and he Kinda leads into. I won't tell the story. But he gives them some by the end of the novel. You feel like you've gotten a certain understanding about the meaning of life. I'll just put like that. Wow now have to get it. Leave me without well. That's a good one and and you know. I love that kind of stuff where you feel enlightened about again. I mean this is so different to most of the authors. We have on. And i talked to so many authors i. Why do you think that it is that people shy away from deep emotional stories like this Really don't know it's it's really when i wrote it. I really didn't realize how emotional it was but having read it a red at about six months ago just to reread it by tom chapter two. I'm gonna wow. This is really hard to get through so emotional when you see the problems that an autistic child is going through its. I've had people tell me that by chapter two. I'm just sobbing. I can't stop in People have to put it down. They can't even get they'll finish it but they can't. They can only take like a chapter town in there because they're waiting so much but it's that's the best review you could hope for. Man i in my in my view. I mean i don't know and everybody has different tastes. I suppose So what does the future look like for you or your I know you're working on these novels. The have any kind of Idea when you'd like to get them out or any of that or you just have taken a day by day under taking it day by day. I'm i'm hoping to get one out. you know. probably in six months. If it's if it meets all the requirements to be just perfect how involved how involved the u with the production of the book. I mean like book. Cover design All that kind of stuff in the marketing of the book. I i you heavily or the app somebody doing that. We i really well. The the design of the book. I had a company do that for me. And marketing. I have Somebody who helps me with the marketing of it. Because i don't really know that much about it. So that's that's the job that you know. Once you write a book. Aimed writing is is it. The process of writing is import. And then you put it together and then you realize if i want anybody to read this i got to be in the business and being in the business sucks you know. I had the dream of like you know writing the book and everybody else takes care of that. And then you just see the money coming in and your next book and there's some people who can do Are doing that. It's you know the big big authors write the big. You know they start out the way you don't. You're doing it though. Larry bates dot like you doing it. And then when they get some success the big publishing houses notice and then they eventually get signed. But i think a lot of people who get into it had the idea that you just talked about like i'm just gonna write it and somebody else is going to do all the work and they get frustrated and disappointed when they find out about the reality of starting off is not that it's hard to the marketing part is really difficult. I know well that's what we're here to get you some exposure. That's that's we're doing here today. Hopefully hopefully people will will check it out. We will definitely have a big audience to listen to the audio podcasts. On on this and we'll probably have within a month probably one hundred thousand listeners to the podcast so hopefully they will go and check out your book and give it a chance and people who are hungry for story driven books rather then you know action event driven books. The this will definitely appeal to you. I think one of the important parts though it really cut people as well as the business people like to know They wanna know they wanna put a label on it. They want that. John right information. And i can't i can't imagine what genre falls into the canoe. It i mean. It's it's like a hallmark type of type of feel good family book. I don't know what seems to be lightly a kind of psychological literary fiction okay. But it's not it's not a real you know that doesn't really or right and that doesn't really roll off the tongue like For most way what did he say that taught enough to get the title of the book. Right when what time. I'm going to show the book and get it right. Like no other boy. Why do i wanna say boy. Like no other man. It's like in the back of my brain triggering me to say that. Like no other. Boys by larry center And you'll find it at author. Larry e center dot com is in the description. I do appreciate you coming chances. Support larry and You know what this goes out to the audience. Now i i if this if this is the kind of content that you're interested in you have to support because we were saying what the business develop away from this kind of stuff and if if you don't support it it's not gonna be there for so it's important to support authors like larry who Coming up with unique and interesting new ideas story story form Watch yeah. I do wish you great success and thank you for coming today. Is there anything We left on the table. Anything i should've asked you that. Probably i really think you got pretty much the whole kit and caboodle there so Well i i appreciate getting to know you. And if you ever wanna talk music irene. I love to talk with the especially old time country music. Yeah too well thanks coming. Great day have a great day and continued success. My friend larry center folks are linked into description. I hope you will patronize and check out. The book. sounds like a great great story. One that i'm really interested in for a number of reasons. I mean i connect with this story on. The level of the autistic child are connected. The story on the level of animal communication and i also connected the story as a father Who went through a divorce so it and at also as somebody who's looking always interested in discovering the true meaning of life so this book has everything for me and it sounds like if bat sounds interesting to you and it's got everything for you to give it a chance to check it out. That's his show for today tonight. I'll be back with sam talent. The fabulous comedian author of running the life. That's an easy one to remember. Running the light is his book is now out on audio book as well and today's what twenty and the big hokey pokey got him guy. So we'll be talking about. We'll be talking about that anyway at eight pm tonight. I hope you'll join me then to let them at apple podcasts. Great recipe day. Mike even now around brought lean alley tape. Melissa took listen to now.

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Stephen Gates

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PODCAST DOT COM <hes> most designers discover design that is they don't even know design as a thing until somebody tells them about it and they realized that's what they've been doing or that's what they want to do. Not So with Steven Stephen Gates his father was a creative director and he pretty much grew up in an ad agency he now has over twenty years experience designing ad campaigns and digital experiences. He's been global head of design for Citibank and he's now head of design transformation at invision where he works with brands including Google Nike and we work Stephen Gates welcome to design matters so much forever me Stephen you've described I._T.. Serif Gothic as the design design crush of your youth why and what was about it was so alluring. I think for me like you said I I grew up with a father. That was a creative director so my my relationship to typography and design I think started in like the most old school way in that my my dad used to have this seven hundred pound cast iron letter press that sat in her parents basement for me. What that meant was you know we had this incredibly artistic kristen creative upbringing so my dad and I would go down in this small room in the basement of our house and that we would like kind of write my own children story books and then I would go about typesetting but for me you really started started to get this appreciation for what was typography and what was leading and what was typeface and what went into it before you could just sorta scroll through this massive menu of thousands of five so yeah? I think that there have a very nostalgic relationship to certain typefaces to the smell of printers ink a lot of these sort of things. Where did you dad work so he worked for that time? It was a small agency in Pittsburgh. <hes> called Van McNamara that had you know sort of regional accounts like Alcoa Geico and the western Pennsylvania Conservancy and he'd worked at Ford in Detroit for a little while longer and then had kind of moved to Pittsburgh and join that agency and is it true that you did all sorts of original gangster type Ruby live of cutting and I was doing it before even like computers are introduced to the industry I remember the first sort of like Matt Classic showing up at the agency so now I remember doing rubbed on typography and cutting ruby lift and doing paste up keys and a lot of stuff people have to Google to figure got what is these days now despite your family connections and despite working in the Ad Agency with your dad and despite making your own story books on the letter press you've said that star wars is really the reason you ended up going into a creative profession fashion in what way it was because there were movies star wars and Tron. We're kind of those two sort of seminal moments in my childhood as I think anybody of that era was where I think you just started to have an understanding of what storytelling was what visual effects was. What imagination nation was so far beyond the bounds of sort of what you were used to and I did? I I really sort of had become obsessed with it and you're like I think most kids of that era really started to want to set about to understand. How did that get made how the years old when the first star wars was released? I was but again you have to remember that I mean this is a kid who's also doing letter press typography and you know I think that idea of just sort of being in around creativity you really sort of set the seed then and sort of set me on that path. You've said that your enthusiasm for the saga waned after the prequels many years ago you described him on twitter as crimes against your childhood. That's pretty serious. Yes I mean they were bad but they weren't that bad news interesting. I think not long ago I ended up having a brief conversation with Frank Oz who played iota and it's done the muppets and I needed to throw the just maybe having you in Frankas and Steve Wild no it's I think I mean I tend to really like to seek out these people know this was me sneaking into a speaker room at south by southwest and figuring out how to snag a couple of minutes with him but he's sort of said that he felt like you know a lot of that. When it comes to nostalgia expectation station can never be lived up to and I think you know there is sort of a childlike quality remembering? What's that like and what those movies were and yeah? I think that a lot of them for me. Those movies traded too much on the past. They didn't sort of build their own narrative and and again I think the originality in the freshness and the fun of the original sort of got lost in trying to figure out how to make a carbon copy and that sort of creativity never really works now your mom was a toy makers that true she did she made these soft sculpture handmade toys for children if you can think of like puppets or stuffed clowns or different things like that and she really had done that because she'd studied fiber arts in art school and wanted to stay home to be able to kind of help raise me he and I have this one woman cottage industry out of our house doing these sort of wildly creative handmade toys so it seems like it would be fair to say that you got your entrepreneurial genes from both your parents oh I think by parents remain in probably the biggest inspiration and I think I owe my career and everything I have to the two of them because I think they set me on this path where I think a lot of people will start like you said sort of having an awareness of these things when they come out of art school and I mean I had before I was probably in highschool cool. You've written about how you were part of the first generation who could look back and tell you about the computer that changed your life which was yours. Mine was probably a very very old original Texas instruments. I don't even remember what the model title number was but it was so old that used to have to get magazines where if you wanted a video game used to have to write the code out of the magazine and then sit there and debugging and then recorded on like an audio cassette yeah I feel like I date myself horribly but that was sort of the one that showed me okay how how did you add code and technology into art. How what was the interplay between the two even in such a primitive form and again sort of helped me in that next evolution of my kind of creativity? You've said that having an upbringing bringing with creative parents helped you see that even the newest technology isn't much different from a pencil. Do you still feel that way absolutely because I think a lot of cases we get very caught up in production technique. We get very caught up in technology. We got very caught up in a lot of those sort of things but at the end of the day storytelling really hasn't changed that much no matter what medium is if there's not a human truth at the center of it if there's not a message. I don't care if it's social media or anything else like that. If you aren't doing that then yeah they aren't that dissimilar from a pencil but I think a lot of people especially in digital just they get very caught up in the technique and you know as with anything cool doesn't stay sold school doesn't stick around but the you know really deep kind of meaningful experience will do you still use pencil frequently. Oh absolutely I often joke that I have this problem. I can't talk about an idea without sketching some part of it. I think this goes back to like my father always used to walk around like a valid patent a sharpie. I think you know for me. It's an IPAD in an apple pencil but now I I constantly kind of do that. I think even the best teams that I work with. I used to joke whenever I knew I had a really good relationship with them. When I kind of like make three lines and annoys would be like okay? It's like this this kind of goes okay and they'd be be off to go work on some actual no he's. It's not a pencil noise pencil on paper or yeah now. You've referred to yourself as an outsider when you were in high school <hes> as you were growing up in in what way. Own a lot of ways I think I went to a public school. That was in you know this was in Pittsburgh in the eighties. Whenever the city was going through a hard time half the population had left it was a school that was predominantly African American? I was one of just a handful of kind of white kids that had gone there so I think one hand racially being very much on the outside. I think I was in the gifted program so that makes you very much on the outside or I think you know. I spent a lot of my time working my dad's agency so I spent more time with adults than with a lot of other people so so a lot of cases for me. You know my best friends were adults which was not the way most high school kids grew up and so yeah I think that for me it it really had always been where I was and I was kind of a kid among adults but I felt like I was adult. Among kids and I never really had a place that I kind of felt like it was mine. You said that you're not sure you had much choice but to go into design yet. I read that your parents didn't really want you to have a career in the arts which is so unusual given their careers couriers and the influence that they had on you. Why didn't they want you to do something in the creative field it wasn't that they didn't want me to do the creative field? I think they didn't want me to feel like since that was what both of them did that. It was sort of predetermined that that's what I had to do. Did it feel that way to you. I think that it did because you know they were very much into taking me to computer programming classes or I was interested in marine biology. I had a very schizophrenic sort of interests that whenever I was at that age and so I think you know they they just sort of wanted. It encouraged me to kind of be what I wanted to be not. I didn't have to go to school where they went to school. I didn't have to go into what they did but I think you know whenever you surround yourself with that and when you come from that in it's almost feels like it's genetic sometimes it for me. That was no matter what I did. I was is always sort of drawn back to that place and did you always feel like you knew you wanted to be a designer or working to create a feel I think I always knew I wanted to be creative. I think whenever I had sort of gotten to college there is that joy of like teenage angst of like I'm going to be creative eight of but not the way my dad does so instead of whereas he'd worked in print I had decided I was going to go kind of explorer. What was the early days of digital and doing things like that to Kinda strike out on my own because you know that was sort of me trying to find my identity but no I having the for me? That was always what I really loved. You went to Syracuse University and studied computer graphics. You then went to work as an interactive creative director at vertes collaborating with clients like Disney and Motorola and Intel how and you then became the creative director at T._M.. Advertising at this point did you prefer advertising to design or were you looking to have that sort of rain. Every that point. I liked the rain because I I think I very much because mad worked in my dad's agents and since I was twelve I understood advertising very well and I had gone to Syracuse because that was the first degree giving pregnant at that point was called computer graphics. They didn't know what digital was then and so I was this sort of weird bridge where I could speak to the old school kind of creative advertising creative directors but then at the same point I could program and understood this sort of new technology so I was kind of interesting bridge to be able to work between during the two and so I think that was both at advert us and that a. t. m. was just sort of figuring out. What did that even mean? How did you navigate through the different roles in an agency and end up on the creative side? Did you ever consider strategy. Did you ever consider account management or production. I think a lot of it for me was very early on again whenever you whenever you have the advantage of starting in an agency when you're like twelve or thirteen I very quickly realized is that the thing that was going to differentiate me was my ability to have ideas my ability to pitch and sell and that just doing design was going to be a fairly limiting career because you have to start with that sort of base execution but as I looked at the work that I found really interesting it was well beyond that so I think that for me it was. How do I get into doing more than a business work or doing more pitch work or getting more into the creation because that was more of I wanted to send her my career that it was great that I could go win and design this stuff but I could really sort of see a fairly short runway on that in two thousand six? He became senior creative director global digital brand design and innovation at Starwood hotels and Resorts Worldwide Jones owns the West End Sheridan w hotels the Saint Regis Olov design hotels and more and you said the design team was overlooked when you first got there. Was that something you knew before you got there. Were you hired to make a difference in that way in which they were being perceived. What was it that was a job? I think I'd turned down two or three times because it was just the setup was wrong in what way because why they were reporting into project management they were aligned the wrong way that the way they were going about their work was wrong and I had started at that point to realize that in my career I was never going to have more power than the moment between when a company decides that they want to hire you and when you say yes correct because has the ability to set up years of success to come can really be dictated in that moment because once you're there then it's kind of like great you lose all your leverage trapped right and so I kept turning it down because it was reporting to the wrong people and and their head of digital just said look. Can you fly in New York and we have dinner and just talk. I think you're the person we want and I felt like I had nothing to lose and so I showed up with this rather extensive. I don't know what ten or fourteen page document where I detailed in-depth what I thought was with their brands what was wrong with their website. What was wrong wrong with their team? Structure are thinking this person's going to go. You're out of your head showed up reviewed this whole thing and he said this is exactly what we need. These are the changes we need to make. Do you want the job and it was like Oh crap. That's that's ballsy. You went with a fourteen page document finding lining everything now. What made you decide to do that? Is that what you feel. It takes to get the kind of job that you were in the running for. No I felt for every job interview. I've done it for a lot where I think at some point. I've made some big players because in a lot of cases for me I just really read like brands can look great from the outside and people like what company do to work for. I don't really see that's why my career path sort of looks a little drunk because for me it's more about it's about the leadership is about the organization. That's about the opportunity and for me if I was going to leave as living in Texas at that point you know working at T._M.. which was part of McCann? If I was going to leave that and come back to New York it had to be the right opportunity not just any opportunity and I think there's sometimes whenever you're doing that job Bob Hunt just any interest can feel like oxygen because you're just I wanNA make a change and anybody who says they love me. I want to run towards and I just Kinda felt like look. You know if this is really going to be right if they're really serious about making this change. This is what I think. It's going to take anything less than this is not going to be a job that I'm going to want the worst that was going to happen is they're going to say no and that was fine. That was gonNA prove that that wasn't the right job for me but like I said I think for me. That moment set the success up for the next nine years that I was there. Do you have these standards in all areas of your life. I don't know I think that there are I think that I tried to be clear about what matters I think I'd try to be clear about what matters to me about what is negotiable and what is not in some people absolutely love you for that other people describe you as divisive or difficult and but I I really feel like in many cases for me if I was going go about building a brand if I was going to go about creating something I want to build a brand that is strong enough that somebody would actually hate it because it stood for something that was strong enough and clear enough that you could say yes. That's for me or no. It's not and I felt like so. Many people were running around trying to what everybody else wanted that. They were missing who they were. What were the first changes you made when you got to Starwood? A lot of it for me was just really looking. At how did we shift from being an organization whose value was designed as an execution listen to having our value really be about creativity and aviation because whenever it was just purely designing executional piece of that it was always going to be viewed as a commodity because it was always just you know here's a solution to be vetted not a problem to be solved and and that was a real issues a lot of it for me. Was I needed to change the organization around the team to get them to see the creativity and the power that was there but I also needed the team that was there to believe that they could do different work that they could be better and I really saw that the talent was there it just had sort of been overlooked in a little bit kind of abused and neglected for a little bit too long in addition to that period between when you've been offered the job and when you formally accept the job being so critical to the jobs success I feel like the first hit out of the gate that first success that you establish is also critical in establishing credibility. What was your first success in that new job? I think my first success was was really really going in and just saying look. We have a process. We have a way that we're going to go about this for me. It's never been about going after what's the big cash cow. It's the big project how I make a big splash because those are the areas are going to have the most resistance because because they're the ones that have all the money they're the ones that have all the political capital tied up into them. They're the ones where you're gonNA find the most resistance so for me. It's looking around and saying okay what are the ones that are important but maybe a little bit neglected and that point there was a an extended stay brand called element at that we were working on and it was sort of trying to get figured out. I was like look that's where we're going to go and sort of invest the time and the design and to be able to do that and so that was where we started because any project that's been neglected. The people who work on it love over the attention you can make a really great case study out of it and it's easy to be able to find some success and then off of that bill that in and then go attack the bigger problems you were hired at a time when the design team was really only responsible for the brand website and in soon though as as you've said your job grew into what you've described as designing experience across all ten of star woods design lead lifestyle brands for websites for Mobile APPs for wearables global social media platforms and emerging technologies analogies. How do you go about initiating that kind of transformation without pissing timmy people off? I think in some ways you have to not be afraid to Piss people off because in some ways I think if all you're going to do is go in and just say look. I'm just here to kind go with the status quo. Nothing's going to change. I I will often tell you I think there's a difference between crazy and stupid so I think that you have to be strategic and thoughtful about how you do it but a lot of it for me was just continuing to stack that success to be clear with the team about you know we were GonNa make change every single day every single meeting and every single thing that we did and that it was going to take time for us to be able to kind of accumulate that so I think that a lot of it for me was the ability to go in roll up my sleeves work with the team. Get Success Show. Business Results and then build on that sort of earn our way through it to be able to do that but in many cases it was also being fine at certain points not being liked. I've been listening to podcasts quite a lot in preparation for today's Today's show and you often critique your your abilities in lots of different ways and I was struck today. I was in a taxi listening to I think it was episode. Fifty eight where you talk talk about how you might be difficult to work for you might have used the word asshole <hes> talk about that well. I think it's a process that I've been working through and because in many cases that sort of the problem in creative leadership pushes it on the one hand I have a vision I want to have influence. I want to be able to drive the team but on the other hand nobody wants to work for somebody who just tells them all what to do. So finding the balance of Wendy you push Wendy you give guidance how you sorta work through what that is can be difficult and I think there are times when every I wanna tell you here's the problem. Here's what I want you to go do but I think you know for me and my leadership style. There's always sort of been an or else and been being unafraid to be truly honest about what do i. I really think in some people will take that really well and really appreciate it and respond to it. Other people kind of will take it very personally and WanNa make you into a villain and to do things like that and again. I think there is sometimes the delivery of how that happens needs to be refined and so for me. That's been in a big process. Of How do you find that balance of. When do you know when to push when you set that expectation and hold the line on this is not good enough so tell me when you do that? When do you know how far to push? When do you know when you've may be pushed too far? I think in many cases for me I try to spend most of my time giving insights giving direction talking about the problems that haven't been solved trying to set expectations about. When do I need this to be done and kind of what it is that I'm looking for the more times that comes back then it's trying to respond in respect the team understand their process of saying okay? Do I need to leave them alone. When you to push on them they need to be honest with them? You know the moments when you go too far or the moments whenever trust will start to kind of break down a little bit because I often tell many of the teams like the moments that you don't want or you don't want when I start designing because those are the moments when I'm not sure that we're going to make it and I feel like I need to step in but I think you know for me in in going through that what I've have learned is that no matter what it is or how hard it is no matter how easy or hard the conversation is. I always really try to approach it and say look if these roles were reversed if they are the leader and I was the person who's on the team what would they want and even even if they don't want to hear it the ability to be honest in that moment. I think why they may not like it. They pretty much will always respect it and come back and be able to have a conversation but I think it also is never for me about just sort of saying here's what's wrong negativity negativities so easy. It's so easy just to be able to point out and rip everything down but to be able to say okay look. Here's how we're going to work on this together. Here's how I think that for me has been the evolution of not just saying okay. This isn't good enough. Here's the plan. This is what we're going to do. This is how to support or you'd be able to do those things to help sort of build them up because when they find the breakthrough whenever they find that growth I think that's sort of what my role is. A leader is to try to help get them to those moments talk about how you approach and deal with conflict flicked both from people that report to you and people that you work with and collaborate with you know I think conflict for me is is a natural part of this or is he afraid of that no not at all because I think in many that's that's that's the mistake that I see so many teams make because creativity is about how do we get it wrong a lot on the way to finding something that we think we can live with right like this is like Frost Two plus two equals burnt Sienna. There's not a right answer to what we do and so for me the ability to say look we should have differing opinions. We do need to push each other. We need to try to break our ideas. Those are atmospheres that I really like because I think you know for me. It's always been about being confident respectful but not delicate with rules that I mean I I do. I think fighting or things like that is good like who really has the better idea who really believes in this but I think a lot of people aren't sure how to deal with that like just because I have an issue is something around a debate something. That isn't necessarily a bad thing so sometimes you almost have to stop that you know moment and back it up and kind of go look. I'm just having a discussion about because you can watch their defenses start to come up. You can watch them start to get emotional. It's that's not what this is and I think especially again. I'm six four. I have a big like even no matter I want to that can come across in a <hes>. You know a much bigger way than I think I want it but no I think conflict for me is is part of it but it's telling everybody that that's okay and so when it happens we're going to come together and work through it as opposed to what normally happens. Is everyone comes together to write a bunch of emails emails to figure out who's to blame define your leadership style. I think that for me it's probably spending about ten percent of my time just leaving my teams alone to be able to just say look. There's some stuff that you guys need to work through there. Some things that I don't need to be a part of this. You need to find your voice in this. I think about eighty percent of the time it's really trying to give insight trying to give guidance and knowing that I am you know I I may massive massive defender of the team a massive supporter of them because I think the two biggest things that try to ground that style and is that one like the work you do tomorrow is GonNa be better than what you did today and if it hits the fan on their in no matter how easy or how hard that is and that other people in the company no if you do something dumb use grover from my team I'm coming and then I think the last ten percent of the time is look. We're out of time budget capital patients whatever it is and we just need to do this particular thing but for me. It's trying to keep the first in the last two the nuclear options but it is trying. It'd be basing it in honesty. It's trying to invest in the team and understanding their style that it's not just because I create this way. I think it's trying to hire people that have perspectives that are different than mine because those sort of tensions I think are really really important. In Two thousand twelve view became the vice president of global brand design and innovation at Starwood and true to your title you honed in on Innovation and discussing it ovation in fast company. You said if you're focused on mimicking what everyone else does a view literally take results of focus groups. you will tend to only innovate in smaller leaps because you're just going to innovate on the problem. That's right in front of you. So how do you go from leaps to bounds. I think he realized that for most companies that trap is that you tend to get stuck in this place where I'm only thinking innovative as far as the project in front of me. I've been told that I have this brief with this budget and this amount of time and that's as far as my thinking is going to go. I think too often you listen to the average consumer which I just don't believe in and I think average consumers lead to average insights. I WANNA start looking a little bit more the edges for the amateurs and the professionals. I think it is kind of saying look any organization is probably like the Queen Mary. It's not going to turn quick. It's not going to innovate quickly but the ability to to set a vision to start with a truly honest conversation about what is our actual customer experience not. Do we tell ourselves what it is. But how do we actually start with that and then how do we figure out. Where do we want to go that ability? I think we'll start to be able to lead to those leaps but I think it also absolutely requires and that was I think I've worked with two once in a generation leaders in my career. One was working with Fritz Bond Pasha who came from Nike Who's Our C._E._o.. At starwood having somebody who gave us the cover fire fire and the support to go try those leaps. What is the biggest thing you learned from him in doing that? I think to truly trust people because there are moments that he trusted me in the team is working on probably far beyond the bounds of what he should of I think his ability ability to hire smart people and to trust them to do their job which seems to be very rare thing and I think also his ability to just be really clear about what were the organizational priorities of. What did we need to focus on in that very same interview? You also said that having great ideas is a tremendous amount of work. <hes> and I don't know that people realize just how much work goes into anything great that nothing ever just comes out okay great no. I think this is sort of led to I think I've had a multi year war on the light bulb because I think I kept aside was the light bulb is bullshit. You know it is for that very reason because I think one is that as a creative industry we do ourselves no favours in the fact that we try to represent creativity in this iconography that somehow you wait for this moment a light bulb appears and it rains like champagne puppies and everything makes sense which is the furthest thing from the truth so we need to understand subconsciously. We're propagating ally and that in a lot of other cases for me. I've always said that like yeah. Creativity is a blue collar profession that light bulbs a moment of inspiration as a starting point at best but as anything goes from that moment of inspiration to the Rally of execution there is so much work and so much that changes as it goes through that and that again it isn't just okay I made this great little concept and away it goes because that's not what is actually going to go out the door and the ability to be committed that to understand that it is this process. That's what makes the big difference there Stephen. How do you recover from failure? <hes> you know I think that the easy answer is you. Just try to say that's what you do all the time really because I mean I cry. That's why I said it's easy answer. No I think I get my wife which I get very email. Get very down on myself. I get very very frustrated. I think you know in a lot of cases for me. It's it is trying to remind myself that it is a part of the process that the only way I'm I'm going to find conferencing. I'm going to find growth through failure. I think your brain tries to trick you into the opposite that like do what you always do. Well and you'll be confidence. I know that's where you sort of become apathetic and stale. I think that a lot of it for me is trying to surround myself and find a cohort that will support let me that I could try to externalize that and talk about it more I think too many of us wears these masks or we all try to convince ourselves and everybody else about how great we are and how wonderful it is and you know. Social media does no favours. It's like I'd I'd love this your for Halloween Wean everybody went through. They pretended to be on social media. I think it's just we we. We just get to this place where we we don't WanNa talk. We we sort of fetish is the beginning of the end right. We love the brief and we love whatever the output is <hes> <unk> but for me it's sort of letting myself have that moment. Being upset of taking whatever that defeat is but just time boxing and saying okay look you get told tomorrow morning and then just you know bucket. We gotta move on gotTa fear what the solution is ending Lamonica said this about you. <unk> Stevens Tent Pole principal and one that is echoed by a lot of successful creative leaders is empathy. Would you agree and if you do tell us a little bit about how you regard and foster. Air Empathy empathy for me is is the ability to not have the arrogance of thinking I might consumer empathy is the ability to not just walk him island. Somebody else's shoes but to continually go back and revisit who that person is because I think empathy the way that a lot other people define it is that I understand the mindset of the way somebody works. I I all argue that I think that works to a point but at the moment whenever I start to solution against that I lose some amount of objectivity I think when it comes to my leadership I do try to find empathy and putting myself I self in the other person's shoes and what would they need to try to think about their mindset. I think in my work it's often coming back to revisit the consumer and have them be the source of truth. I think I've seen too many organizations and had to many projects where it became about who was right right was designed right was product tech right like that's not if it's about those political battles. We're all GONNA lose but I think that empathy for me is is the fact that whenever I'm designing leading whatever that is it's not just about tell me so. I think that there is a how do I bring my perspective. How do I bring the an interpretation of what it is that I'm seeing but understand that my opinion is not the end all be all as a bit of an aside I love the way you like in chefs and ingredients to design and wondering if you could expound upon that a little bit yeah I think for me I grew up my mother cooked dinner every night and so I was always around food and food became this massive inspiration from me because as I went on my career I've found other industries to be very inspiring to be very interesting chefs in particular because I felt like whatever you think about the way a chef works you go from this wild creativity of creating a new dish and taking the same ingredient? Everybody gets a tomato but what you can do with a tomato is so wildly different to then having to saying okay look we need to cook this dish exactly the same way every single night night after night and it's just about execution so huge payrolls and design. They're so huge parallels in how do you bring people up through those teams. How do you teach them their craft? How do you foster creativity yeah? I've been on this. I don't know what decades long quest of traveling the world talking to chefs you know looking at their philosophies and try and understand. How do they do it and then how can I apply that to design? What can can the butter at a restaurant teach us about design so the butter this this is a really famous story and has probably been for the last fifteen years of my life the bellwether that my wife uses it every meal to try to decide if it's going to be a good meal Taylor not so what are the chefs that I admire most is a chef name Heston Blumenthal who has a restaurant called the fat duck which is about thirty minutes outside of London and he was doing event here in New York? I don't know ten or fifteen years ago and everybody was sort of standing around afraid to talk to him again. I go charging up to get his book signed and one of the questions I asked him carry about his process was whenever you sit down at a restaurant what's the one thing whenever you look at it. You can tell if you're about to have a really good meal or not and his answer was the butter which thoroughly confused just me and I asked him to explain and he said well whenever the butter comes out of the meal if it's hard if you take that and you cut into it and in the knife almost kind of Benz you know that the chef isn't paying attention to the details. He's never eaten in his own restaurant but if it comes out it's room temperature. It's easy to work with. They're paying attention to the details in the experience really matters so for me. It was like disraeli resonant moment about you know how no matter what you do no matter what your position is. You always have to go back and think about what is your version of the butter. What is your version of the better? My version of the butter is the fact that no matter what I design at the end of the day whenever it gets in front of one of my consumers it is what it is right like with the reasons why that butter is harder called the reason why why somebody thought about her. It isn't don't matter there's just the reality of you know I it's a really good place or it's not and I think in a lot of cases phrases craters we get really good at rationalizing why it works or why doesn't it has to be called right whatnot right right and that's that sort of thing as opposed to know if you set it out and you put a timer there and and you sort of think about the details that surround that then that yields this really good experience because I think in too many cases yeah you can let the process and the excuses and the realities of the things sort of overcome the fact that at the end of the day whenever that butter hits the table it is what it is and nobody understands or cares why so for me it is trying to hold myself to that reality. Nobody understands version two point. Oh they don't understand why something got cut or like yeah. Those are all internally driven and people don't care unless it affects them personally eve stated that you found your biggest career challenge to be getting a clear understanding of who you are as a designer understanding your unique creative native process and then learning to summon your creativity on demand and I'm wondering how did you find the answers to those questions and how might others begin to do the same muscle especially interested in how you semir creativity on demand. I feel a lot of it for me started with and I see this with a lot of creatives who I coach and work with. I think it's just figuring out how you make peace with yourself because I think who you are and your background and all these things sort of make up your process and who you are are unlike everybody else so in many cases. I think people feel like it's their weakness. It's the thing that makes them different in alienating and this is where imposter syndrome and a bunch of other stuff comes from and part of it for me was just saying that one my I pass my came from was not changing but that that perspective was actually my strength. It was what drove me to be different and the ability to some of my creativity on demand was really just starting to help the self awareness of what do I do whenever where I have an idea I did it and that worked really well that time what I do. Let's try that again. I worked. What is it that you do you? Do you write it down. Do you talk to other people. I mean for me. It really is it's sort of very rightly left brain. I think a lot of it for me is pulling together. Visual inspiration pulling together sort of experiential cues trying to understand what I want to feel like. What do I wanted to look like at the same point than it starting to write down? What are the business problems? What are the outcomes? What is the approach like? What does this need to achieve and then start to look at what are the differentiator is like what are the what are the easy aries? Everybody's GonNa go towards and say Okay Great. We can do that. But how do we find that insight that maybe not everybody else sees. How do we find something that is a little bit different and it is just the ability to be comfortable being uncomfortable as I go through that that I you know the first idea is never gonna be my best that it's going to take some time and work and the ability to again really sorta work through this in a blue collar craft sort of way to look at what are those answers going to be so as part of submitting creativity on demand just sitting down and getting started it will? It's a huge part of it. I think it will start to become much more nuanced like I know if I'm concept I can listen to music but it can't be music that I know because I find my brain drifting and sort of singing along with them and then I'm getting too distracted so like I need to put on something. I don't understand or something that doesn't have words. I know that I need to be able to work on that and really go heads down but then I need to take moments to step away and just sort of let it marinate and not actively work on it but then pay attention to what are the little themes that I keep coming back to so it's a lot of those things just in myself in my process of starting to look at those and giving myself the space and the time in the permission to do that as opposed to just sort of like you know bearing down and saying okay be creative all told you are at Starwood for almost nine years and you wrote in Twenty fifteen. Many people are surprised to hear that I've been laid off from two of my last three jobs and it happened because of sudden changes in leadership or business strategy not that I could do nothing about if you just read that line and thought to yourself that you are good at your job so you are safe. Then you are being naive. I got laid off from my last job right after I designed an APP that was featured in three apple keynotes for Apple T._v.. Commercials and generated tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars in free press but that wasn't enough for me to keep my job so stephen. How do you regard that lay off today? And what did it teach at you. And why did it happen. I'm not sure I wanNA ever state is star woody. I <hes> I mean I think what it taught me is that this is a business and that you know what had happened was in the work didn't matter that it was a bunch of people who sat on a board of directors who I saw very infrequently had decided that they wanted to sell a company and they are rich and they wanted to get richer and that the C._E._o.. Who I loved so dearly was pushed out <hes> I was a very visible remnant of that so I was not far behind I I think that any time that's happened for me? It's heartbreaking. I think it's you put your heart into that. You put your team into that and it's taken away but it taught me that I no longer is simply going to accept what the industry gave me. I was no longer going to allow that to happen to not. Have It have consequence you are quite candidate about being laid off. You never presented it as this was my decision turn and so on and so no because people do that they negotiate packages where that is a word on the street. I felt it was important to say that I'd been laid off. I felt like it was because nobody talked about that stuff. Nobody was saying I had this issue or this happened happened to me or I'm heartbroken and I don't know what to do. I think you know even I had kind of gone through a mourning period where there's a friend of mine. WHO's a huge really successful? Photography Kinda posted this poor me post on facebook and he called me up and he's like Dan. You take that downright now. He's like I know you're in pain. You're going through this. He's like look lean into it. Share it with people but you do not feel sorry for yourself and I think that that is the start of that sort of part of my career. I just felt like look why not be honest. Why not kind of say what this was as if I can save somebody else from having to go through what I went through then it's worth it and yeah I've got a suck up my pride a little bit and I've got to admit that this didn't end the way that I wanted but I did not I because I think I needed at that moment? Because I was shell shock. It was a company and a team that I loved you know very very much. It was heartbreaking to me. I think it's something I still sort of struggle with from time to time to be able to go through that but for me it was just sort of leaning into the fact and understanding ending that we can sort of get very comforted and feeling like oh it's a family and they love us and they take care of us and yeah most of the time they do but whenever it becomes a business that can come crashing down in a heartbeat to really inflict that reality on you and if viewer unprepared if you have not thought about what will you do and I think yeah that was the moment or I made a promise to myself that I was never going to let that happen to me again and if it did I was going to be ready on a moment's notice to be able to react to it so you didn't globalize is in then start thinking that you were doomed in your life stockton. You're never going to find another job and you're going to be unemployable in ended up dying face down in the street. That's what that's what I do know. I think they're definitely moments where we just kind of like. I'm a hack. I'm a fraud like so many. The other people are so I mean that happens on a daily basis for me. I think we all go through that but a lot of it for me was like saying look you know we had done something great and I was not going to let give them the power of taking that away. They didn't understand what they were doing. They made a really stupid stupid decision. History was going to tell that story and again you can look at where that that has gone and I think it has and you know the the moment that always stuck with me and I think the moment that probably saved me was because I was so well known at the company whenever I was laid off if I was deemed as a security risk so I had to like come in at the end of the day on Friday I was not allowed to see my team or talk to anyone and I walked into my office and my desk is covered in these like polaroid photos and every single person that I had worked with took a photo of themselves holding a sign about how it affected them wow and I absolutely broke down right but it it was seeing like the work was great but that was the testament to the moment just that they wanted to know that this that was the impact that that you'd had well. You didn't end up face down on the street ended up joining Citibank city as the senior vice president and global head of design in two thousand fifteen and as I understand it city has numerous whereas in house design teams in addition to external agencies had you worked in those kinds of fragmented environments like that before it seems like it'd been a tall task with a fair amount of cat hurting involved. I think I think I had some experience with it because starwood twelve different brands we had twelve different brand teams so it wasn't that foreign to me to be able to sort of have to plug it in plug out of all those different things I think for me though working in a three hundred thousand person organization trying to set the first sort of centralized design team doing a lot of those things was very different at scale and I think also just you know that that role is sort of the first and a two hundred and ten year organization the muscle memory to the old ways of doing things tends to be much stronger. What was it like having to communicate in the world of finance versus the world of lifestyle at Starwood versus city? I think what I tried to bring to city was the same thing that I learned at Starwood that at the end of the day at city what we weren't doing as we weren't talking to our customers we kind of said like we understand who they are and we have personas and for me. It was like no look. We need to get back to having them. Be the source of truth. We need understand what do they want and so kind of putting the consumer a little bit more back at the center of the work and trying to cut through some of the politics a lot of the red tape that was sort of the thing I think I was able to bring in there to be able to help kind of change things. There are a little bit when it comes to executing really big transformations with companies as you've done. Where do you tend to get the most pushback? Is it the C. Suite or is it. The consumer ill it absolutely is internal because I think you know the the consumer that if you're able to deliver something for them that meet an unmet need. They'll always kind of go along like they. May you know buck against it a little bit because if it's a change they're insured they like that but ultimately they'll sort of go along now. I think that in many cases what I've found is whenever I come into organizations whenever I come in I I'll try to make sure that I have executive buy in. I know how to work with the team and be able to sort of get them behind me. It's everything between my team in the executive leadership. That's the problem because I think for a lot of people instead of a poster set my office. It like comfort is the enemy of greatness because in many any cases people just want to do what they've always done it. They don't like they WANNA be right. They want to be in control. They WANNA THEY WANNA do what they know. They are very afraid of change and a lot of those sort of things and so that's what that pushback isn't so a lot of it is how to create structures to bring into the process. How do I kind of be the Sherpa in the creative process to still let them come along to take some of the credit and to do those things that I know it's almost like organizational Kung Fu like how do I use their momentum back against them and give them what they want but sort of effect this change in a way that they may be are completely aware that it's happening? Polish air once famously said that clients don't give you the big bucks because you are a big agency or big talent they give you the big bucks folks can navigate through all the stuff that they have to have you understand and try to get through when I think that's because for me the thing I always tell my team and when you wanted to organizational changes you've to remember everybody's creative. If you walk into kindergarten you'll see everybody's everybody's painter. Everybody's a singer. Everybody's a superhero our education systems our society all these other things have sort of gotten in the way and have let us forget that we were creative or we've become uncertain or scared of it so the ability to sort of bring people back into that to make it comfortable for them to be able to show them that there is a way in a structure to be able to do it they will but you have to sort of get over that fear reflecting on your time at city and starrewards you said the following. I've learned to built brands that people hate <hes> so tell me more and are you okay with doing that. No absolutely I think whenever it's come to my own personal brand that's what I try to do and again I think it's purposely meant to be a bit of a shocking statement but I think the idea is that for most brands whether they are personal whether therefore companies people will try to like I WANNA please everybody. I want everybody to love me. I want and that's just not real so in many cases for me the ability to say I want to build a brand that somebody hates is that it stands for something that is strong enough. It has beliefs that are clear enough. It has a point of view that is distinct enough that somebody can say yes that's for me or note is not an I think you know whenever you looked at the work we had done at Starwood that was very much what it was about W was was about design music and fashion and that is absolutely for some people other people are like look I'd much rather go to a Saint Regis or a Westerner Sheridan and we built out lifestyle brands around that but for me it's just trying to force that clarity that perspective that consistency but also that kind of force a perspective that look this is what we really stand for. You have mentioned a few times over the show now the notion of personal brand and I often have squeamish feelings about term mostly because I define branding as manufactured meaning and so if it's a personal brand than your manufacturing meaning for yourself and the way you are positioning yourself in in the world I tend to like to think more about reputation but tell me what you believe. Personal branding is or isn't I think that for me a personal brand is the ability to say. This is what I stand for. This is what I believe leave but if it is manufactured than that absolutely is a failure right because I think for me and and just made into nuance I think reputation for me was a little bit more about are you sincere in the way that you go about things like if you say you're going to do something. Do you really do it. The personal brand for to me is something that I I come back to a lot because I see almost no creatives understand it or invest in it. I think that for me it starts with understanding. What is your perspective? What is your process? What is your voice? What do you believe I think those are three of the interview? Questions Shinzo asked most often of people is can you tell me how you have an idea. Can you tell me what you believe in what your brand statement would be. Can you tell me what you need to be happy. Almost no one can answer those questions. People come back like three days later saying I haven't slept because I don't know the answer to those acquaintance. I think you know for me. It's you can see I would argue you can see the reason for the need for personal brand open most any resume open most any portfolio talked to most any person and what you see is a list of where it is that they've worked and where they went to school that is not who they are that is not want to hire that is not what you're putting out into the world but would you rather see who are you. What do you believe what makes you different? What are the things that you want to bring to the team because for me I met tons of really you know people who have the best pedigrees onto the best schools and worked at the best places who couldn't fly verboten hit water whenever you ask them to be creative but I've seen other people who have worked at none of those who are absolutely brilliant so for me that the personal branding idea behind that is just simply the ability to say this is what matters is this is what makes me different because we do it no matter what whenever you go and do go on a job interview? You're trying to figure out. Is this a good fit for me or not but we do that very privately because if you do it publicly and you say this is what I stand for we'll maybe people like that. Maybe they don't and if they don't I'm not sure how I feel about that. Absolutely absolutely one of the things that I encourage both my undergraduate and graduate students to do is to create a mission statement. What do they believe in and why and that is constructed from knowing what their their strengths are as well as the areas that they might actually think our weaknesses but very well may be what helps to differentiate them in a really powerful way from a creative perspective no and that's why I said I think for me the nomenclature Hohmann Glacier whether it's a brand or a statement but for me? It's taking the time to do the work because I think I see so many critics who don't have any understanding around that who don't understand why you know what do they bring to the table or even. What do they want? The benefit may bring and the most important question whether it's it will help you in the job that you're in today. It's going to help you in the next job that you get but having that sort of clarity and saying look this is what matters I think is really important because if not then yeah you're twenty years into your career going look. I don't understand why I'm not happy or why I am not getting the jobs that I think right and so. I think that that for me is why that become so important in two thousand eighteen you left city for envision where you've been for the past year and a few months as you said at the time when when I was looking around the only place that made sense to join was envision so if a couple of questions here I it what exactly does envision do and what made you WanNa work there so what we do is we create. <hes> the tools is that if you're creating any sort of digital product an apple website anything like that it started with and most people know us for gave you the ability to go in and prototype that so the ability to put the designs together to be able to look at it. Try it out. Put It on your device. See what it looked like before. Are you invested in in a whole lot of code and things like that. I think in the years since it really has become a truly connected workflow so the ability to have a three or four hundred person whiteboard all the way through how do you hand your designs over to your technology team a- an entire kind of suite of tools to be able to do that sort of work and I joined one because I felt like whenever I was looking at the industry and what was going on just in digital tooling. I felt like they were really getting the the trends and look at what was going right way more than anybody else in the fact that you know they they would recognize the rise of things like design systems or kind of the need for being able to do higher fidelity prototyping things like that but how it started was it was a job I wasn't looking for. I ended up had decided I was GONNA leave. Citibank had kind kind of strategically reached out to a few people Clark from envision. Who is the C._E._O.? If you ever around that you everyone gets emails from Clarkson Vision always wonder if he's a real person which he is he and I had a conversation he just said look. You know what what do you see is going on industry and. Where like what should we be doing and I said look you know there's a Lotta great tools out there but they look at industry? What I think is holding teams? Back is their ability to understand how they deal with everything that surrounds that work. How did they get better politics and business strategy and elevating the impact of design nine and doing a lot of things like that and he said you know what I completely agree with? You can write a job description photo. It'd be futile fix that fourteen pages long and so off we went and that's really kind of what this was about was that as we sort of we look at the world through the Lens of people practices in product and product is obviously applications that we make an I will tend to focus more on the people in the practice side of going in and working with our customers say look. How do you elevate the impact of design? How do you empower your design design team? How do I do what I've been doing it starwood and city but being able to come in and sort of bring real expertise not sort of like hey I read a bunch of papers and saw Ted talk but really the ability to elevate that impact of design inside of these companies you started guarded as the head of design transformation? What were you specifically brought into do so for me? It was just really that it was building out a team to say okay. How do we go in and provide coaching to provide workshops to be able to provide those sort of things those sorts of services for our customers to be able to get them the help that they need and I think it was the first time I had left you know being a designer head of design behind and be able to build out a different team like that but one of the things I I really love about it is also sorta very daring moves that envisioned was founded and we have no office where the world's largest completely distributed company so it's about eight hundred plus people in zero offices lady work I work out of my house does most everybody else and and it gives you the ability to then kind of go through and say okay look? I WanNa hire the best people I don't really care where you live. You said something in two thousand and twelve that I wanted to ask you about given your current job. You said that respect for designers was down because technology and social media had put creative tools in everyone's hands and stated this specifically many creative professions have been devalued because people confuse the executional act of creation with the creative process of creating something that has lasting meaning. Do you think that this has stayed the same or has changed. I think the sentiment I still agree with I think you know my perspective has broadened since over the resulting seven seven years that I think in many cases there still is a confusion between the actual act of creating visual design and sort of going in and doing the execution piece of that with the creativity and the idea of it but I think that was the start of a line of thinking that for me in many any cases design has evolved in many spaces from being visual designed to be more product design so with that has come the need to be more inclusive in your process to bring product and technology to understand data and research and it's just a lie. It's become a lot more sort of of nuanced and I think as an industry. This is where we struggle because so many of the design leaders are still sort of stuck back in visual design and they aren't sure how to break through they aren't sure how to sort of elevate that impact we recently did a study of kind of looking at the world's largest sort of global study. They give design maturity where we saw the eighty three percent of the world's design teams are sort of stuck in the middle to the bottom on design maturity and I think I mean what are they doing. I think what they're not doing is they can't figure out how do they transcend what they're doing to have organizational ational impact. They're they're good at transforming their teams. They are good at being able to be able to do better looking work but whenever it comes to creativity whenever it comes to how do I get my peers and other disciplines. How do I get executives to truly value in understand and what we do beyond the quote unquote make it pretty the ability to do that sort of breakthrough and breakthrough organizationally or even if you have that seat at the table to leverage to real impact? That's the place where a lot of them are really struggling if you you had one piece of advice to give those senior creative directors and V._p.'s of design that might be listening what would it be. Go out to your partners and asks what's keeping them up at night because I think in many cases what we do is we'll kind of say oh well. This is the challenge we take on or this is what we want to design a beautiful button here. We want to do this sort of thing. Go out and try and figure out what is keeping them up at night. What are those sort of business challenges that they have what are the those sort of things and then? How do you go to help them to demonstrate one what your value is but also bring a different approach bring in design thinking or design sprints bring into some sort of a creative process to help them be able to really achieve those because I think in many cases there are struggling and can't figure out how to break through and get to do that and again instead of sort of piling those two things off figuring out? How do you come together to solve it Stephen? The last thing I want to talk to you about is your podcast. You started the crazy one podcast in two thousand sixteen which has been described hyped as the Tony Robbins audio series for the design community. What motivated you to do this? In the first place I think I had spent I don't know what ten or twelve years <hes> going through and doing public speaking writing blog articles doing a lot of different things like fat but I had this sort of one seminal moment where a couple years ago I was at an event in Europe and had decided that I wanted to do a really personal story. I was GONNA try to take the mask off. I was going to try to be more honest and open about what I've been struggling with in my career and I had a young man who came up to me after the event and he was sort of very hesitant to talk to me and was we started talking started crying and he said you know look. I if I'm being truly honest you know I wanna be a designer. I want to be creative and you know talk that you gave was the first time I felt like I heard somebody be honest. It was the first time I felt like what I was doing was right because I'm gonNA place for either. I'm going to become a designer or I have to go against my entire family. They've said essentially if you go and become creative we're not going to support you. We're going to shun you. God that's harsh got worse and I think he'd said that it had gotten to the point with him where he was so conflicted and was so afraid of being alienated that he'd sold everything he owned to buy this conference ticket and that you know they're going to be two outcomes either. One Who's GonNa decide who's going to go become creative or he was going to go to a bridge outside of town and kill himself God and I was and remain speechless. I I never thought than me sort of talking about what I'd been through would have an effect to that level and so I I came back and I was just completely focused on the fact that like my my message needed to change like me writing articles in it it wasn't enough and so oh the podcast was born out of that to try to take on the issues that I felt like people weren't talking about to take on and really share and sort of be vulnerable about that trying to hope that at some point I would be able to kind of get to that next kid or that next person or at least encourage others to honestly share their stories because if anybody in the world was at that place over being creative or not just something had to change Dina have that young man fared no I still keep in touch with them. I helped him <hes> I kind of have taken him under my wing and continued to sort of try to help tutor him and now he's got a great design job he he in Germany I think his family started kind of come back around that and I think for me it really was just yeah wanting to kind of share share more and to try to help force more these conversations the name of your podcast the crazy one came from apples famous think different ad and the line. Here's to the crazy ones you also. I believe you have the words tattooed on your arm. Yeah Yeah I saw that there <hes> tell me why this means so much to I think because I spent I don't know what thirty eight or thirty nine years of my life just being too consumed and like I said before of trying to be what I thought everybody else wanted me to be and it wasn't until I was at Starwood started find success where we had started to work with apple and do things like that that I realized that all the things that I kept feeling guilty about all the things that I thought made me lesser were the things in a different context that made me truly stand out and excel yeah I mean the the line is from the the commercial I it it was funny. Many people have no idea I have the tattoo because I usually cover it up. It wasn't meant to be kind of a fan boy moment. It was meant for me to every single day whenever I look up and look at you know my right arm to remind myself how I need to show up how I need to be present what my mindset needs to be some days. It's an affirmation somedays. It's a reminder but yeah it was for me to just kind of say look you know I need to show up and be honest and who I am and yeah. The tattoos on both of my forearms forearms are reminders to that point so that I never forget and go back to that place again. Stephen My last question for you is about something I discovered in my research. That really surprised me apparently almost a decade ago you had a food food blog called rusty foodie. You went deep on that yeah documented things like how to make the perfect mango caviar which sounds really good. How much cooking do you do these these days and why did you stop writing the butter like in your ass so the butters French it's always French? There are certain things like milk is always whole butter is always French unsalted because that's just the way life should be it was. I've always been a huge cook. I think I've actually trained and I'm a like a train butcher. I've gone to cooking school in different things like that. I it sort of interesting for me. It's just become an outlet. That's way cheaper than therapy because in the time horizon that I deal with with a lot a lot of my creativity the ability to start and finish something that is creative in that I love in the span of an hour or two is incredibly satisfying and I did I became very angered with sort of like molecular gastronomy and kind of modernist cuisine and started to push the boundaries around that it had I decided I wanted to kind of starch being able to write about that and and just realized I was running out of time or sanity or things like that and kind of put to the side for a while but no I think I'm still cooking multiple nights a week and it's funny a lot of the the speaking schedule where I decided I'm GonNa go talk in the world is based on if there are restaurants that I want to go to her chefs. I want to go meet Stephen Gates. Thank you so much to join today in design matters and thank you for really trying to make a difference with your have you so much you you can find out more about Stephen on his website. Steven Bates Dot Com that Stephen with a P. H.. None of the and on his podcast the crazy one this is the fifteenth year I've been doing design manners and I'd like to thank you for listening and remember we can talk about making a difference could make a difference or weekend. I'm Debbie Millman of the tower to talking with you a case for more information about design matters or to subscribe your newsletter put a Debbie Millman DOT com. If you love this podcast please consider contributing to our drip. kickstarter community members get early access to the podcast transcripts of every interview invitations to live interviews Q._N._A.. Sessions with guests and a brand new annual magazine. You can learn more about this at indeed dot ripped slash debbie slash mill. 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44. Brandi Bates (Author and Professor)

Now What? with Arian Foster

1:16:54 hr | 3 years ago

44. Brandi Bates (Author and Professor)

"Welcome back to the now. We'll podcast. I'm your host as usual area foster, and I have another special guest in the building. Brandy Bates we are. I'd say, right, right. My memory is very short, but we, we're Twitter, Twitter, friends, laflin following you for for years now. Yeah, yeah. And I don't know how long you can follow me. But if I were you for your and. You, you peaked my interest because you were extremely poetic with the way that you send your messages out and it really caught my interest in is this beautiful writing. Thank you. And I just recently found out that you're an author, right? So I didn't even know that my work is kind of it is strong. So welcome to the podcast glad to be here, so. So what is your? So you're at sign is Soledad's Frank Francis, and that I just recently found out was a character when your novels. Absolutely. All right now, right. Tell me about yourself or Sola day I whatever you want to know about the tell me about yourself first. So again, I'm brandy. Al Bates, author, I'm an entrepreneur, my mother and yet. So Twitter is one of my stronger platforms, but just the characters pr-. Much, you know, like a doormat into the world egos ally, deeper, the rabbit hole goals. The dude I took the the ripple. So you you're a writer, and what what is your? What did you, what do you focus on? Because the the reason why, like I said, the reason why I wanted to have a conversation because the way in which you view the world is extremely unique. It's extremely. I would say optimistic, but I think there's layers to it. Absolutely. All right, so so so it is interesting to me to to meet people that have that view of the world because like I've been back, I've been on both sides of optimism and pessimism and I'm currently residing on the pessimism. Sure. I love to meet people from the opposite end of the spectrum to bring me back. Yeah. I mean, I try to stay. I'm like, you are believed that pessimist pessimism. That's just another word for somebody that's real and we need that. But I try to stay more optimistic because you know, that's the power. Your mind is whatever Lind's you choose to see the world through is what will become your reality, what will become your day in. So I just try not to focus on, you know, the so-called negative because I mean, we have enough of it inundate you with it regardless whether you think about it or not, we are going to grow. Try to create beautiful thing. I agree with that. And you said the the way which review the world, our perception kind of creates our own reality. I'm I'm stuck right there right there currently in my in my life because I'm not current. I'm not. I'm not convinced everybody lives in the same reality. Like what I mean by that is I mean, I think we share the same space in time, but. The way in which everybody views the world is so vastly different that that's where my pessimism reside this. That's why I'm a pessimistic because I, I'm not convinced everybody can take their worldview off of. I'm not convinced that everybody can kind of like peel back the layers of their worldview and realize it's not a part of them. Does that make sense? Yeah. So like the way people interact nowadays, it's like the way you think is a part of you and can't disassociate yourself with a lot of our ideologies. It's it's damaging to any kind of social relationships were having. Absolutely. Because you're indoctrinated from very young from even the very youngest ages, you're being indoctrinated constantly from the television to the radio, and now with social and even, you know, the children are born with devices in their hand and your constantly being bombarded with simulations and others. There are others behind the curtain that are controlling your reality. My constantly inundate you with what they want you to see what they want to continue to perpetuate. I'm intrigued with. They tell me about the. I mean, it's, you know, some people are like, oh, you know the, the powers that be. But I mean, let's be honest there there is. Certainly, you know, it's like. Whatever company you look at. There's a boss in a boss's boss, there's somebody who's funding and financing it. There's somebody that's right in the check for certain things to be on the air to be televised studios. You name it even who they decide to prop up and who they don't decide the proper in the beauty of social media. The beauty of internet you to you name it is that they don't have such a when I say they, it's like. The kids are running the masses, are the the millennials that people who are the loudest they're just there. Almost like they're blaring out the noise of what they've been indoctrinated with in. They're creating their own shit. Like emergence a, yeah, I'm I'm weary about the danger of that. And I like nowadays is like this. It's a. It's like the blowback from what you said years of indoctrination years of this is what you're supposed to eat. This is how you supposed to dress to walk, and now there's like people tend to and that's no right. There's people will colored hair and that's normal. Whereas before, like when I was growing up, that's all you're weird your hair, but like the normalcy of being abnormal is kind of the norm now, and but I'm, I'm worried about. The misinformation. So we're in the age of information and how, how can one. Distinguish true from not true that that's that's where I'm at right now and why I feel like it's really Radic in the world. I mean, that's a deep concept because who is to say, what ultimate truth is, you know, you're reality is your truth for you in, like you said, we're all living in the same world. We're all living here on this planet, but same world. Different people are having a completely different experience. You know, you have to have and have nots. Those who don't have are like this hail, we're suffering, where's hungry? We're dying. We're and those who have they're like, this is heaven on earth. You know, it's paradise. Eat drink till I'm happy. I can travel see the world is, but you know, I think in terms like you mentioned with the tattoos, that's this era. That's this generation you can look at. You can tell whether it was the nineties of eighties of the seventies or the sixties based on hairstyles and and concepts and ideas. They embody the, you know, the times as well. And honestly, I think that we're constantly shaping truth. That's interesting. We'll see. This is why I go back and forth on like is there an objective reality or they're not an objective reality? Because I'm really, I'm another science Mun love and. Science is the best tool that we have to to to gauge the natural world around us. And that's like the best tool we have to, like I said, gave objective truth, but scientists is is just a tool, and it's not a perfect tool. And so. In its young. Right? So it's what the three hundred years old or something like that. Well, we've been shaping thousands years, but like the actual scientific method is really young. Four hundred years, something like that. But it's so young and everything is. So we're constantly making new discoveries Ray after day. So the things that we hold to be true that were beholden to might not necessarily be inaccurate depiction of reality. And so that's that's why I'm just so hesitant to to lend any credence to. Fringe ideas. Yeah, yeah. As my found my foundation is is, is is rooted in in in any kind of objective reality we can prove. So that's why that's why believe right now we're at where we're is extremely dangerous because of the misinformation. So what is how can we. Cultivate that, like, how can we make sure that people aren't believing nonsense? Like, how can we do that NC that's that's what I'm saying. I believe you are shaping that from moment to moment the differences. Now we're just now learning how to shape it and that you can shape it. Whereas before it was like, no, this is the ultimate truth. But again, who is to determine what the ultimate truth is even something as simple as the location of the sun or the, you know, the spin on the planet until I've gone outside of the planet and seen it. I honestly do not truly no room. I can go by what books have said, but just because thousand book said it, I didn't see it. I'm just, oh, because a thousand book said, it's the truth, right? We don't. I don't know that. So I'm saying just in terms of like your day to day or whatever it is goals, ideas, you name it, you are. Shaping it. You are creating it. Nothing outside of you is even real. When you, I mean when you really think about it until you can when you said based off of of a fact or what you can objectively, what you can prove that has to be based off your senses, what you see with your own two is what you hear, what you feel, and even still, it's not guaranteed because everything is not visible. See, that's where I think it's dangerous is because a lot of people think like that. But then that that that lends to the idea of. Of so much combativeness because. If. What you feel to be true, can't be verified then who's to say that there. I don't really believe in an objective morality, but I believe that the tool that we have to peel back layers of what is true or not true is the best tool we have. And if if it's so reliable in in in its predictive powers in its in its consistency to to give us the results we have, we have planes and cars cameras and microphones everything. All of these things that that's, that's why we continuously depend on. So like when you say, I don't know if the sun is that far away was like you might not personally have experienced. I mean, nobody has can't be December. Choose. Choose use of mathematics is a very reliable to what I mean. So that's why I feel like it's it's dangerous is when people go there with because then. I'm not sure where I'm not sure where you're with religion, but like with religion, it's scary thing for me because you have. Millions of people all across the globe billions who believe that their truth is there truth and some of that truth is telling other people that they're not right, correct, right. You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. Other thing that's a dangerous precedent to say like, you don't. You don't think that. You don't think there's a remedy for. Now I don't. I mean, you're always gonna have religious fanatics in his such an ancient tool in mechanism and it as you said it works. It's it's trustworthy personally with regards to religion. I mean, I don't believe I believe that a lot of it is a tool to control as long as you can keep people steeped in a belief system and traditions that you can determine which way they go. Amine it's a multi-billion dollar for sure industry weather's abolish schism or Judaism or Islam it. I mean at the at the end of the day, some are benefiting from those believes yeah, unfortunately, others are dying and being, you know, stepped on, but that's where you know you have to the terminal k, where is this coming from? What's the history of it? You know what? What's what's at the foundation? What are the results you know? Where is it taking us would I mean, what is this ration-? Have you taken any of that inspiration from the religious aspect of it and implemented in your writing? Because there's a, there's a. Art to me is just a reflection of culture absolute. And so right now we're in a funny time where people are starting to realize, you know, maybe this religion thing. Let me let me reexamine. This is like a collective. I think everybody is is definitely moving towards the spiritual, but not religious because people are starting to question and question traditions in in question, you know, is this helpful? Is it is beneficial? Is it empowering people? Or is it tear people down? You know, where's it putting women? Whereas it putting people of color all these questions. You know me personally, I, I'm more metaphysical, mystical because I'm looking at what came before. The so-called religion. Where did they come from? You know, when you do begin the pill back the layers, you're like, wow, okay. Even with Christianity that whole story happened Faouzi of years in other parts of the world. So they just took pieces of this culture. Visas of this civilization ages created, get there, you know, and some stories around it. So now it's, it's, it's it's something I've struggled with immensely in my life is is why people are so beholden to these stories. And I mean, I was recently on Twitter and I saw this clip it went viral girl who was in a wheelchair and it was like hundreds of people standing around him, shouldn't around her chanting in this magical priest and puts his hand on and and all of a sudden like she stands up and she walks and takes couple of steps like like the undertaker. She just takes all running a wheelchair. Like I am, but like this is that's that's why I'm so it. It annoys me because they, they, they prey on people's vulnerability. Absolutely. And then they there and people are. So just this is vulnerable. People are hurting and they're like, they're just trying to cling to anything that gives them hope, and that's, that's, that's the thing that's the thing about it. I used to tell my buddies when I was in college. That's why I don't like about religion. They're here selling hope like little Baggies of of. Man, how did you grow up? Because I'm hearing, did you grow up in a religious environment, air pairing, not as. I grew up Muslim, so my father father was Muslim. But like f. o. y. like Farrakhan. Yes. So that's that's how I grew up. So I had to know the bible had to know the Koran. And so I remember one time I father, there's Jove's win is knocked on the door and and he invited him in and had three hour conversation. This kind of stuff around, right. But after a while. Seen a lot of inconsistencies with what my father was doing and all the brothers from the nation of Islam we're doing and the way that the two women, I was like, this ain't really, but I still believe in a higher power. And then as I kind of walk mown path, even more and more that started started peel back those layers and start to not make any sense to me either. And so I'm not like a picketing atheists where like, you know, I I'm not gonna like, I don't think I'll go to rallies and stuff, but. I think I think I just am enquiring human being that that doesn't try to live life by anything that seems irrational. I think the more rational you are the more productive you'll be. Yeah, that's basically it. I'm noticing that too more atheists. I mean, and I don't like to put a name on it. 'cause it's like you're labeled a box. It comes with baggage, but I think the higher you go in education, the more. Atheist ideas are saying because people is long as people are not educated in by -cation. I don't mean academia or how many degrees you have, but just seeing the world traveling reading, actually experiencing going to a museum or going to different. Arenas where you can be forced to questions some of the things that you've always been told. And I think again, the higher you go in terms of learning and and questioning, then you begin to realize how much bullshit. I don't know how to say. I agree. I think it's just you start to realize you can't. You can't be a largely consistent human to, in my opinion. I don't think you could be a logically consistent human and believe in power. I just don't think that's possible. I think I think I think you have to have some like an ethnic they label that faith, they'll slap faith label on, but faith. That's the cop out to like, I can't intellectually defend this position. Yeah, because I was there see, I'll give you a flip side to that. There will be times in your life that so for me, I know beyond a shadow of a doubt in it's nothing that I can actually put my finger on, but there have been times there will be times in your life where something happens and you're force to be like, okay, that's got to be something besides me. Because for instance, if you're trying to whatever you're trying to do, whatever your goals are, you can only do so much marketing you. Can only do so much advertising. You can only do so much knocking and you know, trying to reach out or what, whatever. The actual mechanism that gets someone to call you back or get someone to wanna go into a contract with your deal with your, or you know, secure the bag in. Something is behind that. How did you get noticed more another case in point if you, you know the as you get older there, you know, you make you sick, or you may have a parent or family member who gets sick and you know the doctor site, we don't know what to tell you. It's terminal. Just start preparing for, you know, get your life in order, get your house in order and for some prayer, you know, you know, meditation, yoga, chanting, whatever. And then it's like this Sutton miraculously healing in, you know, not not not saying like the guy you mentioned touch this lady, but just within within your own. Where's that coming from? Well. I, I've thought about this a lot, especially that point. And to me, this is how I rationalize it in my head. One of the big issues I have religion, religious people is that, and I don't like to pay anybody with a brush, but just just in general, what I've noticed is like religion is this. Is like this era Gance that masquerades is humility, right? So what I mean what I mean? But this when. When something like, say, like, say, somebody gets cancer, like the analogy, you say, somebody has cancer in the doctors have done a great job or whatever the case may be, and somebody gets its at remission. People know that was that was something that we've got. That was that was that. But then when somebody dies of cancer, it's never that same energy that they get. Right. So so that that's that's my thing is if if you're going to give whatever that credit. Yeah, everything that right. Yeah. And then and we've developed the antithesis of that, which is the devils that can't be the thing that I'm bring, what he wouldn't do that. Well, how do you know actually read your book? He actually does cause. The funny thing is about the bible. God is by far the biggest killer in that. But, but not necessarily just to just to pick on Christianity, but just in general is if you're gonna give credit to the person or the entity that has healed everybody, then that same. Energy has to get credit for the person that has taken life. And that's, that's how I rationalize it and why I'm not convinced that there's a deity is because things happen at this pretty much the same rate of chance like it's it's, it's a lot of chance. And when you look at like the probability of things, it's more likely to have happened in that. Yeah, yeah. Like today, we're all gonna die. Doesn't matter. You can prolong it and you know, but I say, you know, use it for your use, what works sulfur me. You know, like I do believe in prayer, but I'm using it to make things shake in rattle and role for me in mind. You know, that's how look at it when you pray. That's that's an interesting. I don't even know what your beliefs are. Do you believe there is a God or. So I've been interested in in prayer. Why people pray. Because it depends on it's totally containing or you're on your beliefs, do you believe there's like a life plan for everybody or. No, I believe we're creating you're currently critically was. Yeah. Okay. Within that, that doesn't. That doesn't apply to you. The people, I think what people cough fate is a mixture of your DNA makeup. You know, you mentioned chance. Just it's, it's a mixture of your DNA makeup, your genetics, your environment who raised you because we're by far shades textures of who raised us in again, your environment. That's gonna tell me everything. So when people are like, you know he's destined to do this. Yeah, because who raised him, you know, it's just like with athletics. If you're seven feet tall and you're pretty quick and you know, you're teachable, chances are you can probably go to the NBA, but you're five to three hundred pounds. I mean, you can try as you may. It's not probably not gonna be a part of your destiny. So I think that's when people say fate, it's a mixture of things that we can look at and study and see, okay, you're more likely to go in that direction. But no, I think you're creating it all the time. I would agree environment is I, I am a strong believer saints, they believe, but I'm a proponent that. Evolution has taken place. And so like that directly correlates with with the theory of evolution, your environment shapes you in your kind of shaped by environment? Absolutely. Beautiful marriage together, absolute Anna for sure. Sure. Watching football is fun, but it's more entertaining when you have some action on the games. As we like to say, you got some skin in the game. 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That's m. y. b. o. k. e. don't forget to use my promo code Aaron a. r. n. when creating your account to claim up to a thousand dollars in free play, you play, you win, you get paid. So tell me about this character you created so Francis because it's interesting that you best kind of how you branded yourself on social media so much so and you've gone into the lot of following, so I'm curious. Yeah, it's it's it's an excellent way to get my truth and ideas out without it being me because I noticed especially with social media will number one you can be whoever you want to be on social media. I'm sure, and that's a blessing and hers, you know, is beautiful in its ugly because people like. Become these like keyboard gangsters. Capone's. An expert. But for me, it's like I can get my ideas out there without. Someone saying, oh, well, this person believes is we're gonna call your so and so and you know, people are out there telling their truth. And yeah, we see where you work to and we're going to fire, you know. So it's like, you don't have too many controversial. I I did on that. You put up the well. Yeah. No, I don't think they're offensive most part because I'm not there. That's not like the space to try to find people. I don't really care what people think of me, but just to get those ideas out in for people to question question, all of this stuff that you've been told in taught in what you believe like, why do you believe what you believe? Why do you think the way you think just to jog that from my favorite things. Why do you think the way you think? Yeah, I love that. People just think that how they think is the Alm, like what you believe is it and it's not, especially if it's not working for you. I'm in that aspect of the time is like how people define success because it's it's such a. A marker in our in our in our society that we live like to be successful. Now, whenever I talked to kids and like we're talking about. Like you tell them tell them how to be successful. I always look indicators. You have to define what success, right, right. I know I know hundred miserable millionaires I know hundreds of happy broke people, so you have to define what it is and have a number in your head to this numbers. Don't in. What does allow musk Bill Gates, all these. They still out here hustling so and they got billion. You have to define your success. I, I'm convinced that you can make a billion dollars like ethically, I think really. I think I think you've got to be a shark. I think I think you can make probably one hundred million dollars. Like we'll honest and treating people the right way right thing after that. You gotta make some moves. I agree to an extent I, here's the thing. I don't believe that money in a ended up itself is a bad thing. The love of it, and I've seen that just destroy people. And I also I hear what you're saying. I think that some people are definitely gonna be stepped on once you get in the billions. And that's just because of the nature of capitalism. This is like after after a couple of million, how much more do you really need? Like how many bathrooms like you can only shit in one to one on the how many. How many do you need? How many cars do you need before? It's like, okay, are you giving back? You know, you can be helping so many people, but the flip side of that is that's not their job. You know, I hear people are like, oh, Jeff, Basil's he needs to be helping peop- why you go get your bag. And then you tell you go help people. He didn't sign up for this to save the world, not our Chepe informer, Jews. Responsibility right buff I asked him if you don't. If you have if you have fifty billion dollars. Yeah, like that's different. If you're worth. Liquid like the people have been there. The people got him there. People got him. He got semen, is these people? But yet we are contributing. I know I, I love Martin. Martin stuff. Thing ever love. Right? I hear what you're saying, but it's like, is that really his response of? No, no. I'm saying I'm saying you're right. It's not his responsibility by think as if you don't, if you have because it's like you said, if how many bathrooms do you need me 'cause you need, how many things do you need? So if you're if you're liquid ten billion dollars and you're not doing some kind of charitable, not for tax deductions. Yeah, I'm like, but we don't know all what he's doing. I don't follow it that, and that's why I don't judge either way. I'm like, because I don't know because I do. I do a bunch of charitable work, but you know camera because I kind of disingenuous anyway. So it's like a heinous. NFL like they used to have like the NFL play three sixty stuff. And the had every Tuesday. They had community service and I'm like, this is not genuine. I think we're going there with the budget cameras, and we put these shirts on with Paulos only like the stupidest shirt run around with kids for recess, and then we leave and it's like it's the most disingenuous should ever. So I just stopped going when asked I'm going like I'll do my own due and I did. I did my thing and I still do Mon thing and and that's the thing is there's no, there's no blueprint how charitable you should or shouldn't be. And that's why judge like give how you how you feel you should give. There's no rules, man, but you should get definitely should give. And I've noticed for me, I've noticed the people who give the most. They just happen to be doing better. You know there's something to that saying, the more you give the more you receive or there something to that, you know, are you? Are you. Are you believe in karma? Absolutely believe in karma. I do. I do. I mean, I just it's been too real for me. It may be again, that may be a, you know, a facet of my imagination or does mar belief system. But I mean, I see it happening. You know, I can't. I've tried is hard to believe in karma, man really is just so many evil busy shit out there out here out here doing great. Yeah, that's true. But it's not to say it won't catch up with them. Or isn't already catching up with them in that we just don't know. It could be miserable inside, but like you said, you never know. But remember so many cold cases. There's so many. Saying I could just hard for me. It's hard for me to give. And it's it's hard for me to totally dive into like in the back into that talk with just. That there's a consciousness to the universe as far as. Or in a in a vindictive nature. Right? So it's like if you still then you'll get some stole from you, like if something is driving force, it's like extremely petty. University of pretty petty place if that's what it's doing. I can't. I think that's part of what we're creating like. It's in the vein that you're doing something like if you're if you're giving just out of the spirit of your heart in your like, you know, just wanna do the right thing and I wanna put out good, you know, good vibes and good energy. I just believe that good energy and good things will come to you and it may not necessarily be material, dislike, you know, you may give money, but that may come back to your money, but it may come back in in the form of just, you know your daughter doing something that just absolutely make sure you know or just as he this healing good. And this is where I think. It might hinder us to believe in karma more than it helps us. And this is why, because I see a lot of people say that, like if you give you'll receive so. I don't think the majority of America is intelligent. I think people generally are smart. And so when they hear that they say, okay, then they're, they're paying for their future success. And so it doesn't. It is not a real genuine thing in the first place, and I believe it's a bit of a confirmation bias. Right? And so the the crux of what I feel like it is should be. Your mindset? Because I, I think. Good things happen to people and bad things happen to people and how you perceive that is everything. I remember when I was young, this is it. I think like put me on a path of your perception is reality because when I was younger, one of my dad's best friends, they had got robbed and we've got a house all the time and they told us and in he's, he's telling us the stories. Again, we just got robbed, and so it's fresh them in is fresh to us. And I was like, Dan, that sucks. Those are good people. I remember thinking, why does this still believed everything? But why does it happen? Good people. What does have been good people? And he's like, man, they took everything this that he's like kinda energetic about it, and he's like, I remember when I walked in first thing I thought was the right new carpet, that's that's how that's how he thought. But that's how you rationalize in his head and I'm like, that's how you should view life like you can't control anything that happens to you. I was also reading this book. I think it's called the art of happiness. And this guy was talking about how he had just got a new car. He just got a new car. And anytime you have a new anything, you're worried about scratching it and didn't and yadda yadda. And so he just somebody somebody hit him and scratches car and it wasn't a real bad or whatever, but you could tell he, he's at. I could tell that the the person who hit me didn't have insurance, and and so when he was in a car with his wife and his in his in his in his kids. And so he said the guy hit me and I saw that his wife started crying and they just knew they couldn't pay for this because I had a brand new car and and the guy was he got out. He was distraught. He's like, I'm so sorry. Yeah, yeah. And he's like, you know, don't worry about a man. He's like, what is none other? Don't worry about it. I'll just go on. It's not a big deal. I scratch brand new car that Gabar not. I'll have to worry about it being scratched anymore. Right? You actually helped me right. Took a burden off and I'm like, that's that that's, that's the key right there. I see. I see. I see the world like that as well. Right? When things happen. You know, I don't. I've learned and I didn't. Always used to be this way, you know. But I've learned that there's always some good gonna come out of that and that certain things that you can't control the, it's, you know, some will call bad or negative. Actually, you need to experience that and for something that may happen later to prepare you, how are you dealing with everything is how you deal with it. Nothing means anything until you color it and determine what this means for you. If you if you don't let it bother you, it's impossible to buy the. I don't care what it is and it's for your benefit alternately. Yeah, I'm strongly happy plays right now. I think that is the culprit right there. That is the reason why, because mash it happened right the everybody though is night you and if in what you just take yourself out of this ADL selfish hole digging yourself. It's just like, why does this always happen? Right. Right. I remember thinking that once because I personally, I get into personal situation where I lost a lot and I'm like, would happen to me. You know, this would happen to my career. This would happen to me and then I'm thought was like, shut the fuck. Why are you thinking like this thing about what you came from? I grew up as I'm meals growing up like people out there, missing meals, and you're thinking what is happened to my career right arrogance. Right. And so you got check yourself sometimes, man, shit. And so the and that's her George Carlin say this want. He said, if you scratch a. Underneath the underneath a pessimistic scratchy. There's an optimist and I think that's, that's, that's. That's where I live. I accurate at pace. I'm I'm a pessimist because I think like he said, he say the pilot sheet is too too big, but I'm hopeful I I'm doing my part right. I'm doing. You can't. Yeah, I'm definitely on the same page with that because I'm like, you know, things are going to happen to you. And ironically, I feel like the more you do. The more shit's going to happen to you, not because in a way you're drawn to you, but in a way it's because it's like I say, all the time, no one has any of this shit figured out how it looks, how how where they seem to be positioned. No-one has this figured out this life thing. Everybody is getting up everyday, just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what works well by do this. You know, I get paid if I do this, why be healthier? What's going to give me the edge? And then the more stuff you're throwing you figure out what doesn't work and what does, and we call that wisdom. You know, older people just realize because they've lived longer or done more. Some are young lake. I grew up fast on saw a lot young and I'm like, nah, that's not gonna work, not gonna work for me. That's another thing we need to look at our actual built like our makeup. My walk through life as a woman of color is not can do. Everything like, you know, a white male, but that reality is not gonna look the same for me. But yeah, everyone's just trying to figure stuff out, you know. Sometimes I have sometimes I did a comedy bit one time for a hurricane relief fund. We had a Louis liberty, whatever. And so like I've been writing jokes since then trying to trying to get back on 'cause it was fun is fun, but I'm not that good, but it's still fun. And one of I was thinking of is funny. It's like it's, like you said, like we have no idea. They nobody knows what we're doing here. Like this one day you wake up and you're like, I like, I guess I start doing things and now you know, like you see other people doing things like maybe I should do that or maybe I shouldn't do that. Nobody fucking knows why we're here. Nobody like nobody. Even your parenting in the day you you you, your parents get. They superhero capes natural them. That's a very humbling days. Well, it's, it's, it's scary. 'cause all my God. They don't have a figured out. Yeah, and then you as shit nobody has. And this is what's interesting is as funny, but it was interesting to me is is how our social norms don't change where you can read a book about love by Confucius. I don't know how many thousands of years ago and it still applicable to today. Society, humans aren't changing as far as emotions is, is concerned like that. That's really interesting, right? Because we're still, I mean, we're just hairless apes physically. I think there's more to us on different levels in different planes, but. You know, collies behave a certain way number. He's they do certain things, you know, drafts, they make a certain way. So I think human nature doesn't change no matter what the time era, the culture, the generation year. Those things are unchangeable is interesting to me because even even with the the boom of technology. All of our motions, all of our social patent back there just in heightened. Yeah, like out, I would think like with all of this influx of information like we would take it and use it to our benefit, like I have access to. PHD studies from psychologists that that, but we don't access information. We're just out here trying to. Go violence. I was I was on Instagram the other day and I'm like, you know to myself, I'm like, this is sad later. All these shit. You can be doing out here to get famous and this is what you choose us on. But you know, a lot of that is just where we are again mentioning like the powers that be like what they show us, what they spotlight, what they highlight versus what you believe is like you mentioned before your idea of success. You know, like you said, I mean, everything is Atra fingertips, whatever you wanna do, whatever you wanna have, wherever you wanna go, whatever you wanna be. You can at least study it, but in some do. And that's why we, this world worships those who. I mean, go all the way in for whatever their craft or they're calling their name. But this is why I'm a pessimist because. I think the powers that be kind of a paper Chartres. Right? Because look at what what drives pop culture nowadays, it's it's social media pages that have millions of our right, but what are they are they do is report on cultural news, right? Is us. So it's us like, right, we drive. Yeah, we. We're driving. And so how can I be mad at the powers that be d- like we're the ones doing it, and so it's it's hard for me to. When I when I was growing up, I grew up in a domestically, violent household, and I remember one time the the neighbors call the police on on us because loud and. And I remember as a kid being mad at the neighbors, right? It's a weird psychology even though that they stop the turmoil that was going in my house because about the police, I would my mind frame was is none of your business and so-. Analogous to that is. The black consciousness in America. I'm extremely upset with, but it's none of your business. You know what I mean? Anytime somebody tries to criticize it like, yeah, it's none of your business. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I just feel and I don't know if that's a correct way to feel about it. I agree with you on that. It's. It's a lot of the things that are extremely disheartening. When you look at and like I said, art is just like a reflection of culture, right? It's just it's just it's us. And so I didn't grow grow up in the most amazing art form culture. I feel in America's history. I like the golden ages. It was like the sixties and seventies, but that was right out of. The civil rights movement where that's what the art was saying. It was about love and empowerment and yadda yadda yadda when Myra came out of the cracker. And that's what that's what that's what it was. That's what we as we talked about. And so now it's like this. I know how to describe it. It's like this. Drug infested, celebrating the coach of drug infestation, whereas I in grove in the culture, there's distinct difference when I was growing up, it was about selling it right and not say not saying it was a good thing, but that's where we came right now is about doing right, extremely different, right. And I'm, I'm Al think it's like the seventy Woodstock where where they're saying like, do these substances that can possibly free your mind? They're, they're like, yo overdose. It's interesting. You should mention that. I think we definitely need to start bringing more awareness to that this whole pill culture because like you're referring to like the eighties where and I grew up in the hood to Los Angeles. So I all over me, Compton England Los Angeles, Long Beach. You name it and growing up the drug dealer that the the he was the baller. That was our idea of success. We didn't know doctors and lawyers in, you know, engineers, we knew the dude who either got out and went to play on fired the dope boy. The don't Diller was successful. He and the nice car, and he had the women in. He had the clothes and you name it. That was success for us this. He wasn't struggling and he wasn't starving. But now it's. Doing the drugs just being constantly out of your mind. And I don't think a lot of these people. I don't think that they're overdosing on purpose. I think that where we are in society, people are paying and they just wanna be out of their fucking mind and but the problem is like a bag of weed. You know that that's a bag away yet may be sprayed, but you don't know what's in that peel. I don't care what they told you unless you're chemist or pharmacist. You don't know the make-up of those pills and people are just leaning on what they were told and up. You did, you know sad, but it's just like they wanna be out of their mind. I talked to a neuroscientist one time I had luxury of of speaking one in. We talked about drugs and we're talking about the things that it does to the brain. And he's like, if I give you some advice, man, he's I don't take any chemicals. He said, he said, if you're gonna do drugs, he's like, do things that come from the ground. Mushrooms. He's there. We that stuff like they said, but, but he said any kind of like MD and may or anything, you don't know what they put in. You have, you have no idea, but to the point, man, it's like, I'm also cognizant of the fact that. The internet highlights. Yeah, a lot of this stuff. So when I see some of the statistics, they're kind of alarming to me. So like high school, dropout rate is way lower than it was when I was in high school team pregnancies way, lower the murderer is rate lower, so it's like, am I being marketed to right? That's that's. I'm also cognizant of that aspect of it. So it's, it's, it's like this. I don't know, should I should I should I be celebrating this the fact that we're actually making progress, but you know, I think that that's. No, because it's only what they spotlight in. That's an American thing because you know when when our leave the states, they're not even concerned about any of this shit, you know, go to Central America or South America. They're not talking about any of that, you know, and it just like that's a totally this whole lake pill call -ture the crime rate, black lives matter. All of this is totally American totally American, and a lot of it. It's like it's like what they say, first world problems thinking, you know, people starve. Any y'all worried about, you know, like an, I think is a direct product of of. America's inception. America does have any culture. So our culture is this race war. Yeah, it is. That is we don't. We don't have don't have there's no garments week aware that represents our ancestors or anything like that. Our culture is made from this. This is talking about. I say that all the time in I, you know, the hate mail, but it's like America was founded on violent because the most gangsters country in the world do they have the Devaux countries and the foundation fabric of this country was based on taking some, you know, taking something from somebody wouldn't take your land. Let me take your gold. We're gonna take your women and pillage and plunder, and that is America. Yeah, of course. We're wealthy Bill on. Yeah, me wealthy to free ping more informed, but I think it's always going to be a shade over this country in the politics and current events because that's what it's made. And to that point it's it was it's in our DNA to to be combated about social issues. And that's kind of where I mean, I literally just they kinda hit me was talking about this and it's kind of something that I wanna look into a little bit more because a lot of countries have history of origins and and and art and yet area and our culture. Has crazy when I think about what I said. I've never. I've never. I've never given that thought any Rica. Yeah, it really hit me like our cultures that isn't a culture like access and talking about these things and black lives matter and not that he's not even, you know, people talk about privilege just being an American. Do you have any privileges. You know, of course you know, we believe with the best in all this. We're really not. But I mean depending on what your base at on Japan and let me take. That place is one of the most beautiful coaches of of express. Yeah, and it it was just breathtaking and like, where have I been all this time? It'd be me about this. You know what it was. It was how they viewed. So I went to this bar where there was an Italian guy. So like in in Japan, it's kind of like this. I was in Kyoto and it's kind like this little clean New York. Right? And so because there's no trash on the streets, they respect the culture that much. They don't, and there's no trash cans either. So they take care of whatever it's insane. But so I went to this little bar and as is a talion guy. He was from Italy and he on the little talion bar, and everybody is like super quiet and Peter. He he walked, it was Larry is, but that's kind of his brand. But he said someone was brilliant should've ever heard, and I don't speak another language. And this inspired me to start was he said he said, the way he said he language isn't is in the subject. He said, he said, language languages is a window into how a culture sees the world. And I was like, oh my God, because when I started to learn some of the dialect over there, so it's all about respect. Everything is about respecting and and if you look at it like they have the the lowest crime rate, all of this stuff. I mean, the flip side of that is they have a really high suicide rate because the the, the the pressure to perform over there so high. But the way that they view the world is in this vacuum of respect and culture, an honor. And like I said, like p like, there's this one guy he was telling us about who killed himself was because he did something that. Dishonored his family's name. So the honorable thing to do is to take your life so that it doesn't shade your family's name. Just thought of that is that we don't have never even came across that thought like, I don't. I don't give a shit about my family's name. My name is a slave name. Actually about changing shit, but. To your point. The way Americans view America is how they should be. America is the best country in the world, but it's such a relative concept right? Such a relative term. Like if that was the case, the whole world would be trying to migrate here. Not there'd be a lot of people are happy. Yeah, I think it's how it's marketed to us as well. Yeah. They call it. Red tape is yellow journalism is when the they're reporting about maybe a small percentage of their country or their people that that have Reverend for America commericals not beloved all over the world. I mean, I think America's a great. Here's the thing in terms of. Upward mobility, America's a great place to be very few countries. You could start from nothing in become everything. You aspire to run some countries view born a peasant. Your dad was a peasant. Ramparts were peasants. That's just your state in life. It's good for that. But you know, in terms of, I think people should just see the world as much as you can see as much of the country as you can have to travel broadens de mind. Yeah. I mean, this is a beautiful country, but we focus on little pockets of it and it's so much more to it even just here. But yeah, I mean, it's so much more going on in the world. Another brilliant things that do that was he said. You'll be hard pressed to find a big that speaks multiple. I wouldn't. I never thought about that. They're usually in even in that I've learned to just not even especially being here in the south and not being. I'm not from here. I can look at it from different lands and I'm like, these people just honestly don't know any better when the only black people they've seen, if seem to black people their whole lives and what they see on TV they don't. They've never met educated lack. They don't even know that exists half the time they're ignorant is ill. You know, they might have three teeth in. I'm just and it's like a CYA. You're like that you gotta understand why people the way they do and why they think the way the, you know, the empathy and working on that as well. You have to. It's hard though is so hard. I always try to like no matter what the situation is. Even if somebody is treated me shitty. I'm like, why is he? Or she behaving like this? This is coming from somewhere and then I'm like, okay, hurt people, hurt people. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Yeah, but even then I have trouble that's that's the that's that's where I'm at right now is me being like a judgmental person because of my experiences. Like I've, I've things that I've seen in in overcame. It's hard for me not to have those expectations. Put them on somebody else out. I was buddies always telling me like, Doug, if you if you if you set your expectations of what a friend is supposed to be on ener bell, you're gonna be lonely. Yeah, I, oh, that's what I'm learning. Yeah, because you can't do that and see even with love like you have your idea would love should look like. But if you're like, this is what I demand love to look like. If someone else didn't have your experiences, it doesn't mean they love you any less just that's not their language and they don't believe that necessarily, but they may be trying like hell to, you know, show you. My feeling is that. In in my last relationship like I was. We just one. I wasn't in love like that, but the way that I loved wasn't the way that somebody else expected me to love. And so the turmoil that that causes is immense. It's it's, it's a mental, it's it's literally, it's so hurtful rights like you can hurt people, and you don't even notice you're hurting. But I believe that set up because. The way love has been branded us and Marketa like think about, like for some reason like women, I so funny. So have you ever heard of nephew Tommy? Yes. So nephew Taibbi. Steve morning, Steve? Harvey morning show that he does. He's these prank calls only if he still does, but they're doing they're fucking Larry, but he did this one where he was pranking this couple and he pranked. He had the the lady on the phone and he called she, they three way the husband and he had to tell them that the diamond that they were getting appraised was fake. Right and fake and she, she started football better, not be it better. Not be is hilarious, but it really maybe things like why, why the hell is a diamond right? Why is that Representative of love? How did that even become a thing like getting married? Why is that thing like? Why is why is the government involved in your relationship? It's for property purposes originally. The way that we've you love as society. If you look at women, like a lot of women, I think are are kind of scorned because. They, they've been programmed to think that their biological clock ticks at a certain age and you have to have a man, and you have a baby and you have to buy a certain age. Right. And that's insane to me. 'cause a lot lot we'd love. In proximity of a big part of the time. Like we just love like you can only fall in love with somebody who's around you. Yeah. So like if you're not traveling, if you're not out mobile, how your percentages drives of people that you probably get along, it's like, why are you trying to force yourself in his little box? Yeah, I have an interesting take on that and see. Imagine be a little, you know, like out there, but I don't even think like even with monogamy. I think it's totally against human nature fouls in percents thousand break. We're trying to leak the model of marriage, the motto of relationships. And so then we have a culture where we're bashing, these guys, but after remind women like guys are producing thousands and millions of sperm every month, you produce one Ag. Don't go out here and try to live like. That's not, you know, that's, you know, that's not. That's not fair will, but but when you try to live like like men and you weren't designed to. You end up hurt you end up, you know, like not where you wanna be. I don't think that we were designed to be with one person forever ever. You know, it's just impossible. It's impossible for one person to satisfy all of your needs to be your all you may, you know, and I'm not, I'm, you know, I'm not trying to ruin any marriages or anything, but you know, I just think that we try to force these little boxes on people. You know, and love itself is such an immense, infinite eternal phenomenon. And we wanna just fit it into these neat little Judeo Christian boxes. One wife one has been in one why one? Man. You should have kids by the age of who's to determine that, you know, and then we're, you're knocking people who never end up with somebody on someone who has five wives if that works for them, let that work for them. You know, I just think you should fine. Who is as compatible with you possible. A relationship which is like, who can you tolerate for an extended pants. People that can deal with our stuff better than others and you'll just know that incidentally, you know, you don't have to force it if you're having a force it. That's not it. You know, it'll be natural. It will flow. You will just find yourself one in the be around those people. You know, I don't think is layers to relationships. You know in, like you said, love for us is branded. It's a thing you know. And I had out of buddy that's got out of like a ten twelve year relationship, and he is he living his best life doing. Doing his thing and he, he always tries to like Colombina committed relationship right now. But he always tries, man. I'm doing this. I'm doing this and he's like, we always giving these idioms about how how were meant to be monogamous and the other, but he's like doing it in a way that's like mid to like. You need to be doing this too, and I'm like, fam- Fresno been there, trust me, but but but but it was like what I tell them is if it's. Love in my opinion is in this day and age as we see it right now is a sacrifice is you're sacrificing something. And so is that second like I, I have to repress our emotions in me. I have to repress certain instincts and yes, I do. And it's and it's being honest about it as well, because like I'm lucky I'm with a woman right now who who doesn't get upset if I look at another woman's ass or we look at women's ask together right the because she knows like I can. I can find somebody who's physically attractive, but I, it's that and that's the sacrifices is engaging in that worth losing this, this this bond that I have with, you know, not in my opinion, but don't don't chastise me because I like to look at right. And she's she's very, like, she's like, I don't know what it is. I mean, and even the flip of this, like I would be so stupid. To think I'm the only man is right, seven billion people on planet, and I'm the only chief Phil. Is attractive. It's ridiculous. Is who is under three thousand one of the best lines about that. He said. Africa, but anyway, that is that is that is one of the biggest steps towards maturity that that I've ever taken is realizing that when you're with somebody, there's no possession. Right? 'cause I don't own you. Possess people their mind in their their own person, shit that they're into outside of you. That's. And you have to, I mean, have lives outside of your relationship. You know? And I just think this a lot of Fronton going on, you know people, everybody who looks happy. Men are have a hundred, you know stuff going on behind closed doors that you could imagine. You know. And I think I think like with men are believed that like men are going to go to where they're they're needs are met and whether egos stroke in and you know, that's why a lot of times you'll see like always tell guys who are like powerful men, powerful men, hold the cards in that they can pretty much have who they wanna have, but that's also a blessing in occurs in that. Know it's like you can lose everything behind that. So you have to like was like, you. After years of same shit. By the way, I find what you can't have your cake and eat it too. I, I never knew what that meant like in the literal sense. What does it mean? You can't. You can't. You can have your cake, and I wouldn't means is. And that has never been expressed to me that that's that's what it is because it's like you can't have like meaning, in my opinion, you can't have. Well, maybe you can, but it's not. I don't think from my vantage point because I don't think I'm sure there's there's a pl- non monogamous relationships out there who they do their thing, but I think I can't have like an intimate relationship with somebody where I don't feel hurt or betrayed if they do something and they don't feel her to betray defied do something. And, and we like. Where you don't feel like you're sharing somebody with somebody. But I don't think you have that and then. Go out in and have sex with whoever you wanna have sex with. I don't think you can. You can have that. That's the sacrifice in my opinion, jealousy or. I can't go out and have sex with all the women. I wanna have sex with with, but have a intimate romantic deep relationship with the woman where she doesn't feel betrayed. Them accents. And I'm saying that that there there there can be. But not not for me because I wouldn't want like if I, if I have a woman and she's to sleep when a whole bunch of men I would feel betrayed. Right? Yeah. Got a problem with this. No, I said, I okay. Okay. Desires there, but, but I understand that she would feel it on. Yes, so she's betrays. So it's like, okay, what I'm sacrificing and so they cut off those desires. And I, like I said, you have to see my question would be innocent area like that. How long can that go on. Twenties and thirties, you know, in NS another women, we throw away our best years. 'cause like I got married young and the worst young. But my thing is this, like those are your best year says, like when everything is firm and popping and your beautiful and you know, you gotta going on like eighteen to twenty seven. Maybe you can might get away to thirty like do throw those years away on this guy who like is not going to be worth it because you wanna be able to go back. You on this, but it's like, how long can you believe that in terms of turning off emotions and impulses? I think a man can only do that for so long. One can only yellow, I think you have to gauge your value. Right? So I've never. I've never had sex with the woman where the desire lasted after the orgasm. Wow, that's the so you like I'm good now. I only have that, yeah, vantage point. But like it's like low Wayne said it really deep lying on really pop song. He said as soon as I come, I come to my senses. That's a real thing. So. So all these desires and emotions, they're, they're, they're not they, they're fleeting. Yes. So these conversations I have with my woman right now, this this, this bond is rolling around laughing on the floor sound super corner right now. But it's a real thing and that's how I know it is. That shit doesn't go anywhere. Right. That's that's stays that. She still gives me butterflies like we're almost four years in now still get so that as long as that feeling is there is is not even a question to me so that that isn't worth it. That risk isn't worth it. Because I, I've been there before web cheated on the woman. And as soon as you're done, fucked up pressure done. Right. And they're like, I've done stupid things before and and relatively right. And I don't judge people for what they do because I've done a lot of the same things, but for me, I know what I value and for this personally, like I value having somebody to watch and movie with on a Friday night and talk shit too about the world and like those kind of things. I feel like that's rare to find. Like I like, like I said, I believe a lot of people on earth are fucking stupid. So it's hard to find one that I'm physically attracted to motion. Alie attracted who's funny. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Like I'm describing. I sound like. Matched out Kalmar. But here's the thing. I think that that evolves to, that's why. That's why talking to old hand, like I love talking to people who've been married like forty years and is so like back on that pessimists thing, they hate each other, but they love each other, you know. And it's like nobody else is gonna put up my with my shit like Stanley. Stay, you know, and you know, for years women stayed and he's horrible situations because they didn't have anywhere else to go. They have opportunities. There were no resources and interesting aspect of that though, is we, we're growing up in a different time than they did. So the people that you're talking to? Yeah, from the fifties sixties where they got married at nineteen and their views marriage was more is you're supposed to. So the now and I'm not. I'm not going to be sure he knows. I'm not gonna. She doesn't want to get married. We don't believe we don't believe in this. I think that's great. I'm an atheist like, why would I believe in great. So so I don't believe in the sanctity of marriage. I think that our bond is our bond and there's no way the state of wherever I occupy should be volved and who the fuck. I love. So. So. I think that very, why that that makes it. So if one day she wakes up one day our graduate over time where like, you know what? And we have a child together too. So. I want the best for her and she wants the best for me. So if one day we say, you know what our time together wasn't our time together, but it's time for me to grow somewhere else. It's time for you grows like that's why met with. I'm not beholding to this. I'm going to be with you forever. Now as joke with like, when I you know, when this is over man, jokes truth in, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know who I'm going to be at sixty years old. She doesn't. She's going to be as his years. So to pretend that's what that's what I believe. Marriage is such a weird idea and especially how it was in its inception is in the fifties and sixties. You have no clue who you're going to be as the and you marry him at twenty or forty years, right? I'm not going to change. What am I? Man? I win. It's anything that's man made is flaw. Any of our traditions that we come up with its is gonna be screwed up because we're screwed up, but love is fewer in love is beautiful. And I don't think that we should force these ideas. You know, in any shape would however you wanna look at it like, I I don't like I'm like, you, I don't judge what other people are doing behind closed doors. They do it with or you know what their idea of it is. Just don't. Spill it on me, don't aim it at me and what I need to be doing or not doing. You know. Below ran. I appreciate you coming down on this beautiful Sunday Mun in Chapman it up with a total stranger. I could have been setting you up. No, for sure. Man, I think that your your Twitter is is is amazing. Like I 'cause I'm the opposite of that, right? I'm all about jokes in and things like that. And you're just like this positive light on there that that I need every now and then, okay. I have a have a peaceful and you help real that back for sure, man. But if you wanna plug, if there's anything that you wanted to whatever the case might be say, what you're good to go here, I'm representing you and and and just an honor. So I appreciate you know, for sure, man. So so in this podcast, we ended the same way every time. And so we asked all of our guests to try to lobby for us to get Jim Carey. And so we're gonna. We're gonna put like a montage video together and it's a hopefully easier to to get than you think probably. We never know. We haven't even reached out yet, but when we do, we want to have this in a host to put it. Sure. So if you just look in the camera and try to get Jim Carey the to come on a podcast man, Jim, you need to make it happen. You just never know. 'cause he's like all out there like the all in short tollway and you know? Yeah. Bam, showing sweet. Appreciate a man. So they can find you if you wanna have found. Yeah, I'm on Twitter at Sola that Francis on Instagram at brandy is winning. You could check out my website. Brandy Bates dot com. We have podcasts, power, podcasts, I'm there. It is. Well, we appreciate you coming on man and spend some time time is the only luxury we had. Appreciate thank you.

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"What we represent two governments around the world is that they should think about this in the context of things like flood insurance, terrorism insurance swear off from as a partnership between government and the Industry the Insurance Industry did not charge a candy for terrorism coverage before nine eleven Howard Cohen again it was surprising. Didn't consider it as a separate aspect of insurance. They just didn't really focus on it. In other words. Insurers just included terrorism coverage in their business interruption policies. It was not a separate carve out probably because the risk just didn't seem very large, they basically had not focused on what happens to the. World Trade Center in Nineteen Ninety three the Oklahoma City bombings or terrorism around the world. But after nine eleven, they all refused to offer coverage. They basically excluded it. It led to the terrorism risk insurance act where the government got involved after nine eleven. New York, which I represent could not get insurance for anything that is US congresswoman Carolyn Maloney who wrote the terrorism risk insurance act that country Thir- mentioned down at ground? Zero you could not even ensure a hotdog stand. The only way we could get insurance was partnering with one of our large companies with Lloyd's of London and the premiums were through the roof. So we offered a program, God forbid that we had another terrorism attack that would be there to respond to it immediately with the government backstop meaning the Federal Government would be the insurer of last resort in a devastating terrorist attack. This program is still ongoing as of this year, it would be triggered losses from terrorism event exceed two, hundred, million dollars. This government backstopping allows insurance firms to offer terrorism insurance with premiums that are affordable without the backstop insurance firms might simply stop writing terrorism insurance or it would be unaffordable. By, now you can surely see the parallels between terrorism and pandemic from an insurance perspective, and that's why Congresswoman Maloney has introduced a similar bill called the pandemic risk insurance act according to most private insurance. They cannot provide this disruption pandemic insurance support. So this will allow a program to help businesses, recover and react and rebuild after it pandemic. Here's what she proposes I once a pandemic is declared, each participating ensure pays out a deductible, which is equivalent to five percent of the value of premiums they collected in the previous year and the total amount of losses faced by insurers exceeds two hundred and fifty million. Once, the program is triggered and started. The federal government will be responsible for ninety five percent of losses and the insurers will be responsible for five percent of losses up to seven hundred, fifty, billion dollars Cap Maloney acknowledges there's a lot of resistance in Congress to taking on such a potentially massive program. But if we have a nine eleven if we have another pandemic government is going to go in, we're going to go in to help. So we might as well set up a program that sets the parameters. The way it's going to work and is a partnership with private sector who will be assuming part of the loss. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's utterly crazy. So in one hundred years when. The next global pandemic happens we'll save those businesses that again is Robert Carroll The New York, state legislature just so you know he and Maloney are both Democrats his problem with Maloney's proposal is that it is not retroactive that it doesn't force insurers to pay out for this pandemic Carolyn Maloney at a similar bill after September eleventh when insurance companies tried not to pay out claims. So when was the next September eleventh that hasn't happened insurance companies love this it's a great headline people think, Oh, they did something meanwhile everyone goes bankrupt accept them Bruce Carnegie. Brown of Lloyd's of London has a different set of objections to Carolyn Maloney's proposal rather than just create a kind of pandemic insurance product with government. Argument has been that that might be yesterday's problem. What if tomorrow's problem is a systemic cyber attack? So why don't we create a product with government thirty is more flexible and could be used to address particular risks as they arrive I think the key issue is resilience. Actually resilience is a quality that is much undervalued by our economic models generally around the world. So you know we've all been taught to grow. As quickly as we can, we talk about lean inventories and just in time delivery and extended supply chains and companies. Valuations of typically responded to that way of working and I think we need to find ways to factor more value into this issue of resilience. So interestingly, companies when they report their business once the air or even costly, make no mention of insurance the protection that they have or do not have. Insurance is not yet embedded in companies thinking about the resilience of their balance sheets and the business models and I think that's a mistake. Now, I'm talking my own book in one sense there for obvious reasons but it does come back to this fact that I think the world is under show and I think insurance can help build resilience against specific events. When they happen to that end Lloyd's has come with three forward-looking insurance vehicles. The first is called restart restart is very specifically about trying to provide what we call non damage business interruption insurance. In other words the kind of business interruption insurance that most firms who had business interruption insurance thought would cover them for the pandemic but which didn't. Another idea is called recover re with the re standing for reinsurance recovery is more of a banking products effectively dogs that will pay the claim up front and then recover it in premiums collected over subsequent periods of time sort of insurance company meets mortgage lender if you will, and the third product is called, Black Swan, pre black swan re is really trying to address the fact that some of these events are just too large, and so they need government engagement Carnegie Brown as Chairman of an insurance firm plainly is talking his own book as he admits, but the economist and risk scholar Howard Cohen Reuther does see value in rethinking how insurance works especially in rethinking the relationship between. Private firms and the public sector when it comes to future risks, the idea of expanding beyond Penza mixes critical and this is an opportunity for us to really reflect on what kind of risks insurers can and cannot provide on a wide variety of different risks. Climate change is certainly one of them and there is exponential growth with respect to co two emissions that will cause major major damage on flood trillions of dollars where there have only been billions in recent years. So let's take advantage of the pandemic to broaden our view of how we deal with catastrophic risk and then say what kind of a public private partnership would we want to have for looking at all of them? Janice. Jucker. Co Proprietor of three brothers bakery in Huston his paying some attention to these big questions of insurance policy. But she is more focused on the smaller issues issues she can actually control. When thing about disasters I tell everyone you get one pity party. And no more because you've got to get to work and jucker despite her intimate involvement with multiple disasters remains an optimist I always say everything bad comes something. Including the history of her own small business. So the bakery history began about two hundred years ago and Poland and the family baked continuously until the Nazi's came and took the family and frankly the bakery in nineteen, forty one and then my husband's grandparents were murdered notch wits. The survivors eventually made it to Houston and they didn't speak. English. But they knew the language of baking and so what were they? Going to do so they started a bakery and My husband is now the fifth generation in the family that Bakes Eastern European style, breads, pastries, etc. We s drucker. If she is planning to sue her insurance company over their lack of coverage for the pandemic lawsuits are emotionally draining and you're working backwards and so in. The case of does, is probably GONNA be a class action the lawyers are going. To get a lot of money and I know that it's worth it for me it might be worth it for a bar that's completely closed and lost other revenue. Then I would probably because what else do you have to do your completely close and how about having state legislatures force payouts I would be shocked if they legislated that the insurance companies have to pay business interruption because frankly I think they. Don't go out of business would jucker considered buying pandemic coverage. Now, it would have to be better than what I heard about recently I think it was ten thousand dollars I got one, hundred, thousand and coverage. That's just not worth it to me. So what does trucker think would actually be most helpful to small businesses like hers vote on a stimulus package that's the most important thing above all else and. I'm not saying any political thing. I'm just saying that Americans are more concerned about what's in their wallet right now. Coming up next time on Freakonomics Radio Stephen I really don't like where US energy is now going. John mackey, the CEO of whole foods market is a famously outspoken leader. 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F regret but they got some good news this week after after years of Columbus fans. Wondering will follow come to play with his brother. It's not happening in Columbus this happened. Close enough. Another, very, very busy week of soccer just so many games. I felt like this time around things blended a little less together but there's A lot to talk about. I think One of the things that the as the playoffs start to approach. Like the is permissive enough that there are very few teams that are like actually. Clearly out of it. What? You know you're starting to see teams attempt to. Reach their form and and. Some of those teams you know. We we we joked about it last week. Talking about saying. L.. Andrew question for you. which do teams would you say? Most consistent and the best if you pick one from each conference. Really. Only two teams have looked at consistently good. Then who are they Seattle sounders in Toronto FC. Yom are both led way both head on Goodwin's the last two weeks or Week I don't know. Nobody knows what it is or what time it is. Now. Have I now have the rhythm of what's happening with matchdays on the mid week on the weekend for mls down but then I'm talking about them I feel like one week is two weeks, which is true. Yes. But both had great-aunts. Unfortunately, Josie alter is. His picked up a knock I think. But there. Were Edge. Where did that come four to five weeks following hamstring injury injuries so I don't think. You know depending on what happens to the playoffs. Albie another assertive. So. In other words, he might be ready to come on for twenty minutes in the final. I've never heard this happened before as A. As A. Twenty as a plot point. This is this has never been a Josie Josie Josie fighting through injury in the play offs has never been appoint before. That's good. It's good that we're mixing it up. Can Elaine all like for the past seven months about you know what is the new normal and some things just are always true which is you can always count on Seattle and Toronto in an vinyl and Josie altidore probably not being match fit probably coming on any way and probably scoring a goal. The left is playing the hits. Think. Legitimately and I think this will become clear what we wants to get through it. Again, because of the widened field and because there are so many teams. Cats. With back and forth in terms of form. This is going to be among like the the harder playoffs to predict like. A think there's we're well in. We're well in a position where we could see some really surprising teams go deep. Before a Seattle Toronto file. It's true which which that's the really crazy thing to me is because if that final does happen. It will be even more remarkable given the fact that I mean just about every single team in the League makes it into the playoffs anyway, and there's been so many games. So many fitness issues like there's a million things that could happen between now in that final game. It's going to be. So definitely, there's so many things that could happen in we've seen both Seattle in Toronto get beaten so. We know that that's a very real possibility in the playoffs as well. With that I on. With the first game between Toronto in Philadelphia I felt that that was kind of like the the two one win I thought that was a a real like playoff test will play playoff takes tests in some ways because you head two teams that I really think could. Each other down the road. You had Toronto, C., which has lost your flasher Moose but. Philadelphia Lychees, director what's Trying to do their best to to find a way forward and then the batch with a new England. was. In. I don't know what you call the championship in this case if it's the It's the. Supporters Shield of the Cup but it so it's a classic. It felt to me like a classic title season. Title Winning Season Win where it's like Toronto FC never really had to get into. Really but like they just got fortunate and it never was an issue for them because you had the you had in that one you know. Scores the first goal, but it's like. You know the the commentators is that fell. Foul. How He straight her guy. Yeah Yeah. I love it. Toronto has these lake checkout that power I'm like I, sure as like for twenty year. Old Kid that's some great upper body strength. It's also super foul but. Yeah. And then and then. He would miss the penalty it was given up after Delgado. Crunched on. Delgado fouled win still dot crunched by win which sucks but you know. Reps. beans were bad that Lien who? I think was approaching a milestone wasn't allowed to take the kick and then. Eventually that ended up becoming very troop. Books the put it over. To just switch gears for a moment but while we're talking about, I, feel like. New England was one of the teams that I wanted to pay a little bit more attention to this week just in terms of what I was watching and paying attention to because. I feel like flown under everyone's radar bit but have been quietly quite decent. We don't have the same comparison of last year when a Bruce Arena took over and really overnight kind of turn them into a good team from being pretty woeful. and. Lee Win. Has released slotted in nicely back into his role there but. It feels like New England still missing one or two pieces to really make them a huge threat. But Cheer Point About Toronto is I really do like the combination of these two games the Philly game, which I thought was great. Message to you about it mainly because I'm not used to watching two. Teams in the same conference, play a really good game of soccer against each other, where like all of their passes were finding a teammate. Always end to end but not because of mistakes and like they were defending and attacking well. But philly Philadelphia just felt like never quite had that that lethal final touch I thought the first forty five was really well contested by both teams then Toronto just kind of ran away with it, and that's the reason why Toronto always ends up in the position they put themselves in is because they they just worked. So tirelessly I mean the The culture that Vani is brought to the club I think is is really great. You mentioned, Philadelphia Kinda. Preferring their direct game I. Think at points it worked for them and you see how playing a fairly simple style of soccer really does work well for Philadelphia and. The direct attack maybe doesn't quite always come off, but it does make it very hard to score against them because they're a compact team, they're very well organized. Tronto was still able to do it, and then you say just kind of polishing off New England game. I mean that's what championship teams do. Right as they. They locked the back door and they get stuck in the grind out one nil victories. I loved in the Philadelphia game that Monteiro basically was like. I am going to hit. A powerful shot from forty five yards and I'm GonNa do it four or five dogs? It's going to happen eventually maybe not now. Actually. Will in Montero's kind of the the one exception for Philadelphia. Where he? Really. Like when they're when you see the build up play and you can it feels a bit predictable like it's very, it is very direct and you're like, all right, and then they're going to put it out to the wing, and then the the slow cross will come in and they will be two players in the box ready to find it. You know they beat a lot of teams because teams are very bad at marking that Kyle kind of direct style, but Toronto was able to do it But Yeah Montero I think brings a bit of. Just something different where you he's not afraid to rap shot don't necessarily know who's going to be kick even even if they don't come off, it's six or seven players. Trump. Philadelphia's. I thought that echoes in this game was truly impressive terms of is is header that hits play spills fan. I. This is I don't think necessarily. They the Second Toronto goal puzzle Oh is. Very extremely unmarked on the far post. but I everybody was planning for to go I. Guess The ball does go towards the middle then sort of dances free. Yes I mean it's still I felt like. Kind of lost their concentration in in the last twenty, thirty minutes of the game it it's still a mistake. It's still one that I think Jim Curtain will be. Wanting back it it's just it's crazy to me the. Puzzle can be unmarked in the box at any stage in any game. against. A team like Philadelphia where they're usually pretty good on those those types of plays but. It just to your comment around it feeling like a playoff game. I. Really felt like between the two teams are both good. But one team is very ready for the playoffs and the other team probably needs to dig a bit deeper and get into their their real, the dominating mode. One thing that I will really say about that is a think it. As good. As the scoring by committee is they have to activate casper should BILKO. the. The Union looked dangerous at taunts but not a lot in I. In that I saw did should Ilkka pop? What's close? Yeah, I think. The Toronto game was a rare, not so great performance from poor performance from Brendon Aaronson. Game against. Cincinnati seemed to have no issues at all but. Yeah, he was kind of uncharacteristically quiet during the the Toronto game. And it looks like he's actually probably headed off to Salzburg soon. The Red Bulls. Well. That's awesome. He's he's planning the season. Yes. But it'll. I hope that that he is able to make something of that in his In his final, going for Seattle on the other side of the thing on the other side of the this this this final that we have imagined. From from real events. Happen. They had they were able to really turn it on a heat streak hoover. After the. The first half this'll be a this'll be something that we we we hear about from. Vancouver again. But any a pretty even first half they were able to really open the floodgates in a period of about twelve minutes scoring twice getting it on goal Big Hoover. made it. Vancouver Dan got a red card. Really in in you know we can talk about this as well as the game later but. Tossing toughness settled Seattle Gaming. Kevin leany be cal right rate be cal, and then cavalier Malini Malini Calcutta knock. Abilene, got a second yup or not a second yellow but. Cavalier he got yellow card accumulation right which kicked him from the earthquake game. But in terms of we more of Cooper later, Seattle's performance was one that That he didn't. Tight really take the ability to put a team away endured very quickly. Yeah. I mean I I was really surprised the first half was as close as it was i. felt like. Seattle didn't look sharp as they normally do. And for just the briefest little window of time I was like, Oh, well, if they're having an off night like we could maybe. Squeak. Dry Out of this. But as Seattle so often tends to do once they find their rhythm it's kind of over for whoever they're playing. And I, mean, it's why as the whitecaps fan right now, you dredd to this kind of match Seattle is. I mean at least five times the team we are. In just about every area on the patch. So for me, this was never a question of hey maybe we can win this one. It's like, how bad will it be? And it, turns, out. Not Terrible a very. Very, fortuitous penalty gall to give us a goal which I think the sounders fans are rightly aggrieved at but. As I said during the game. This one come on lick look we are not. We're clearly not going to get a shot on goal any other ways? Three shut up. You're right. It's not a foul, not even close whatever retain compare. Prepares, well, That sort of like. Two shots on target for the weekends to. Say To. Three shots three shots total of twenty two for the sounders what a night out. But compare that. As you say, maybe even giving the wake up too much in the first half. To how the handled are Acelle, which is you know they have this this Goldie score early, which is a great little move. Don. The area. Dummies Zip for Jordan Morris. Leader in the second half. Game are scores on a head off of A. Wide Open doing so off of a freekick from LADERA. Really Holding Control of it. The whole time knew who scores the the goals of the. They even spotted one to their opponents but yeah yeah. This this game for music a real highlight of just where Seattle is that and. I think usually probably people would say you know our S. L. doesn't really stand much of a chance there. I, thought our cell played a great game for the most part. I thought they did a lot of things well, and I was really surprised that it was so close. But you're right in terms of it was really kind of in Seattle's control for most of it. The few chances are sell were kind of half chances. And they had to do a lot of defending I was pretty happy with the way our assault defended, but it comes down to you know to errors just not being quick enough on the ball. The first goal is one of those ones where it's like maybe somebody can get out a little faster may be somebody should be marking Jordan Morris a little tighter, but Jordan Morris is going to go where he wants to go is very hard to mark. And the shot is just such a deft piece of. OOD spreaker ship. Striker them? That I, it was thoroughly deserved and really the only from Seattle as own-goal where new WHO's coming charging in on across it. Admittedly from his angle probably doesn't look like it's just GonNa fly through the box, but really a ball that when you're running as when you're centre-back running towards your own goal to block across. It like you gotta be really a lot more. Sure footed. Just sliding in hoping to make contact with the ball is how you score known goal and that happened but For ourselves side I thought, they played a pretty good game. An overall looked to be a much stronger side this season but was a great example of how Seattle. Regardless of the type of team they're playing always just seemed to be. In contractions the. we mentioned Guede Miami off the top they had after that first call the first game where eat Wayne was able to find the net, they had another match where. That was fully goals all in the first half Where they were not able to find joey a when they lost three two to New York. With. City scoring a goal. Lewis Morgan draws went back. Scorza another role Lewis Morgan draws back But eventually they were. This week, he gives New York Red Bulls able to. Not only beat. And York. eguaveon gut that first goal are gonNA push alert about it. Can Course amyloidosis thirsty for this? But. They were able to break through consumables. Yeah and I felt like. Last week. My criticism of Miami was just looking very frail defensively and in midfield as well and I thought they did much much better in this game granted against an opponent that has looked pretty frail. Fence and midfield at times but. This. Yeah, we haven't seen too many games with Inter Miami where all the pieces come together and you're like Yes. The team that looks like they were building in full effect. Because there's so many weeks where it just hasn't quite come off. But you've got you know I'm pellegrini draws level the Red Bulls score I in this game in a goal that looked kind of side to me but. The Red Bull showing some fight not long after that Pellegrini levels it and then Egoyan gets the final word end with this just filthy free kick which. You know. Is it a good distance but just? I mean. As far as free kicks go by as perfect as as one can place one with the power and the bend on it get himself off the mark and so where Miami has been slow to have their their high performance players perform to their full levels I think things look pretty good for them if Egoyan's able to to continue his form. I saw the goal line clearance early in this from blaze maturity and thought. You know he was. Almost. An afterthought in the deal despite being you know a very major player in his own right The sort of one of the you'll. You'll see this when somebody gets signed. That it MLS that a team of there's pops up as well. But when I saw that goal line clearance in some of the other work that he was able to do. It's just like what if this is the get? Oh it and I would argue it is. You know like as we've talked about with the Nashville. that. Built a release strong backline I think. Fair pretty well because you can wait for the goal scoring stuff to come we've seen that with teams before one of our biggest. Criticisms with. Our beloved whitecaps is like look if you're not scoring goals, you're not scoring goals but holy crap lock it up at the back like building team defensively first and then. Grave it's, similar teams. Like. I mean, we saw money out front for any number of years and. Hope for the best. Ever, really work out so. Yeah I think mattress is is the get. Certainly, certainly, if you're trying to find a way to make your your star signing feel at home. If you can prize another player out of. You. In midfielder you you may as well This was also the first. This was also the first game for Gerhard over the New York rebels manager who? They. Paid a fee to get off of Barnsley from championship. Right yeah. Not a not a great debut for him. I mean for me the I wish I had more to say about the Red Bulls I feel like I've been trying all season to come up with something more interesting to say about them and really trying to give them. A fair shake but. You know watching them play. We can week out I've yet to really see. You know an entire game of a complete performance from them even some of the Games they've won. And it it's he's got his work cut out there. It's baffling to me the talent that they have on the field how it's it's just not resulting in the final product, but you know we had this conversation last season. In the offseason about like you know New, York Red Bulls is getting rid of all their best players well. Turns out that really did hurt them. their neighbors. New. York City after beating Miami went on to put DC united the ground. Four one. A A match are really weird game because C. gives up the penalty like in the second minute it seems really soft and then it almost feels like they get spotted one. Oh, absolutely. Okay we need. Yeah. I. Call on Julian Grenfell like it's an arm in the back, but it's like. Such such a soft call. Very very frustrating especially. So early in the game and then. It's drew Fisher I believe was the referee in this game too often double check that. But like almost immediately goes to end calls a penalty on the other end, which is again, incredibly soft. So you have the game start with do penalty. And that second one it's like. Bill Hug need like gets a hand on it and A. But can't stop it from going into the goal all this and. that. Scores that right for New York City I think. So and then not Jewish Roddy. Right. But castanos scores the first PK, and then he and then he gives up the second PK, right? Oh. Yes and then to Jewish, rowdy scores the third PK. Because there were three penalties in this game. Oh, my God. because. That's just a normal thing in soccer three penalties, but only one of them was a penalty. Insurance. Right. So you had these belts and then in the third I. Would get confused because there were three. In the span of. Three of the different if that if that had been saved. As it was. You know they go through halftime one and then. Even, even before the goals started to come again it was they were getting too much. I think to to New York. In terms of opportunities you know if like a real shooting gallery Much. Like Seattle exploded for three in the second half. Well and I really. Don't know where things. Quite went wrong for decent. because. Like I. Get the the the don't have any and the you know they've they've lost some really key pieces of their squad and I feel like they've done a good job of bringing in players as well. But. They're defending just looks so frantic. At it, it's like I know that there's been times where we've seen that. But I really kind of. You know I knew that DC. Was Not having a good season but I, sort of scratch my head as to how they ended up in this position. In what would prove to be Ben all since final game with him as head coach it may be kind of me to say this but ICONOGRAPHY L. that. They more than. I I don't know you save more than any other team lots of teams would be impacted by the pandemic but if you're if you're looking at a team that made. Two acquisitions that really wanted to. Sort of. Integrated the team. And then had the season cancelled two games him. If you're looking at a team that wins Games started getting played again took. A lot a number of injuries to key players. Not to say that it has been tough and it's been tough for bengals before and Fisher. But yeah, I mean Paul Areolas is arguably their best player and he's out injured for the season so Stephen Kafr. Reported that after. after they failed to win a game with Rudy in the playoffs. Olson was almost. Fire last year. So he's kind of on the. A little bit on the chopping block. Yeah and I've been glad to see most of the reaction is gratitude to. In incredible tenure there, and also a it's it can be time to move on and you can also be Kinda. Sad that. Things didn't work out better and that it's the end of an era I mean the stat is incredible seventy one point one percent of DC United Games and MLS Ben Olsen was either playing or coaching. That's That would be absurd if it was a new expansion team, the fact that it's DC united is. Crazy to me I don't know if you count I don't know what you can in terms of one club. A one club player whether or not his is brief stint at Nottingham Forest would. We'd preclude from that but I also think he was on loan. So he never left he never left the organization. Tactically In. If you look at it that way, it's like what the? He. Has Essentially been with the team since ninety eight. he was a player he hears that is a player there he retired in in October of two, thousand nine it was hired as an assistant in January was head coaching. By August. Of Twenty ten. In it is just. It's not sort of like a Sarah Alex Ferguson in multiple decades decades day. But in the modern world of Pro Sports, what is and It's I think the wreck the current record is verbis who has one more year on him. his currently still there Peter. Vermes. So they're Sporting Kansas City He. Has Been a mainstay. MLS Alaska both for you know A. Playing coaching giving wild quotes. In. The if you look at the heiress that he's road road through in terms of them, getting out he field and getting Wayne Rooney. Having a truly awful seasons and then masterminding. Decent turnarounds and still winning trophies. it's been quite the Rod. Certainly has been. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's it's definitely a little little. Sad. We always like to to see the the long standing players coaches stick around, but he will be staying with the organization which I think is. Interesting in like pretty unprecedented to. Lose your job. I mean there's very few times when A. decided to mutually partways or mutually decided to part ways is actually true and not just code for firing but to be like, all right, it's time to move on but also you will have some role within the club. So I think that that's that's good to to acknowledge that you know there's It's fair to say DC kind of is Ben Olsen but yeah, they probably need to move on from that however. You don't want to just throw away all of that experience and insight into your team and and vision. As you said, like it's not like it's been easy for him. He's. He's had very up and down seasons with them But that that's a huge amount of experience that you have to see the good the bad and the ugly of your team. A hot take of the organized this thing in your resolution thing would you like to hear it? I'd love to hear it. Forty three's a little early to retire from Quebec hasn't. I I mean I I I don't think I I? Think that as long as he wants to work there, he should be able to work there and in in certainly. Other. Than the foresty. He's never looked at risk of ending up anywhere else but you know where he he's needed. Red, bulls man. Well I guess the conference rival the he would never he would never because he's one of it wouldn't. He wouldn't ever. They're great. There's a great piece. I want to say last here about how the DC rebels rivalry his has slowly receding from view but attention. But but from the people who? Are. Where's the law? But of the people who remember it, it's still burns even the fire it still burns the fire their souls. That roundworm Do that I don't think you'd. End. D-, the position was was on anyway but. That would that would have been that would be funny if it would've. Happened I think I think he could still. He, he's still has Banji. Oh absolutely and I don't know. I don't know if this is a scenario where you see as mls, every coach is going to have bad years like I get the decision. Absolutely. But like. You know the the winningest coaches in emily have still had multiple years where their teams are terrible like you stick around long enough and mls you're going to have a terrible season. Of Fortunately, his of his. Vegas we are. The Ninety nine copying does before manager it's the order. NOT TO SIT AT A. But it'll be interesting to see what comes next for DC and. And how they continue to move into a new era we are constantly talking about the being in a new era, but it's clear that. As. You know as important as the arrival of Wayne. Rooney and the opening of field was that year. It's like this is the hinge point it almost feels like. It. Yeah, you're right I. Mean they're they're academy hasn't been cranking out tons of players and it was a well regarded academy but we've yet to see that that pipeline develop as much as some other teams. So look there's significant work to do with this organization. I, mean the good thing is. The got the stadium out of the way. So you know and they got some attention their way because of the Rooney's signing a little bit higher profile for you know probably some bigger names than they might have been before but I think it is a bigger turning point in many ways, they have a huge decisions to make about which way they want to go with their team and. I'm very curious to see who ends up being on their their shortlist of choices for coach. Some big results around the League Montreal squeezed out a very controversial win against Columbus. For. Me This was kind of like an unfortunate result from a really good scrappy game that I felt like if if it was just allowed to play probably it's a one one draw. Maybe, one team is able to take all three points from it but. It. It's not a penalty and the fact that it's called is not a penalty and then Var says no it clean obvious error and then they rescind that decision. I it's just it's so like nerve Jangling when Var is used to overturn the correct call on the pitch. I'm. Have a hot take. Do it. It was the right call. Day Day consist the the commentators tried to. Essentially paint blood Bojan as As. Backing into the foul. But I don't think that that is important. He still gets pushed over the penalty area. If you if you wonder if it is if it is his fault that he gets pushed over the penny routier. You wonder whether or not the attacker intended to push him over in the penalty area I think that certainly. Part of critique of far has been. On did it slows everything down to slow motion in in take a little bit out of the Of of the context of things and you're looking at it that way but certainly when you're looking at slow motion. Gets pushed over for behind the criteria I will give you this much rather than do the typical sports thing of just arbitrarily disagreeing with you. I think I. Need to see it again to my is when I watched it, it looks very soft and I think boy on. Is going over I think he does get a little push and I think he's looking for that penalty the whole way. and. To me, that's a finer line. Maybe that's where I'm compromises. Line of whether it's a penalty or not. When a player on the attacking player knows it's going to happen is looking for the contact and waiting to go over I. mean he he does back into the player and the player extensive arm and pushes him. But for me boyens going over when that happens like he's already a bit off centered if it was the if there was like feet on feet and there is like tripping going on a bit but for me, it's just it's it's like. You're to not be able to like touch a player in the penalty box. I mean if ECHINACEA can street Armagh Guy and score then I, feel like you you as a defender should be allowed to like use your arms a bit and we've seen penalties where there's a lot more pushing going on and the penalties not get your so. I guess for me I'm just like if it seems rather soft and this is a PK than I feel like there should be ten others that were called this season but. What else is new? It's it concerning the major talking point here should be Columbus as a team that up until a few weeks ago had conceded two goals in the season. is now starting to give them up at not an alarming rate. It's still a pretty good goal difference for them. But Huge Win for Montreal and. You can sense reporters frustration and and you know maybe certain to get a little bit unsettled with his is pretty impenetrable. You look at. That first goal to I think that this is is less I think it says less about Columbus on a whole than it does about you know Montreal is is a rear team right now that needed some good news and had. This this first one where they? It's like there. I think it's like the Columbus defender like obviously handballs it but bounces back to a player who scores which I think is like. To Columbus benefit in the long run becase had it had the goal knock on in then? It would have been a denial of an obvious goalscoring opportunity. The players were sent off. Yeah. I had a bit. I had one of those brain splitting moments. Mike. Okay. The handball at the Balkan back afterwards but he scored it. So be split the difference and allow the goal or do we call it back from the point like just? Almost. Got The against this one but I'm very fine with just being like, yes it's a handball, but he scores the goal the goal stand. Weird is it is I. Guess It's not a denial of an obvious goalscoring opportunity if the goal was scored, right? Yeah. Well, and that's the thing I'm like which goal every talking about are we talking about the goal that would have been scored? Had it not his hit his hand or the goal that was scored after it is. The goal and simultaneously scored and. We won't know until he opened the box analyst. Schrodinger. Goal. Scored a not scored at the same time. Man, but it was it's great for Montreal. As he said, you don't know what you're going to get with Montreal and there are a total chaos team but. It's a good win for them and I'm glad because I WANNA see. Terry. Stick around for a bit mls and he certainly seems more comfortable with. With. This team in this league. So I'm glad to see them win and I an overall you know Montreal. Yes. Can certainly be chaos at times but they're fun to watch that they really the times have such a just fun. Never say die attitude of just like, Hey, guys I don't know maybe we could win this game. Let's all just run at the other team and see what happens. Can I can I just hit you with Montreal goal scored by number seven Erwin. Schrodinger. Limit. I all you're right about sort of that run forward and see what happens when Talapity in. I think also guess artists scored one with his Chin in this game. Yeah, that one that one I. I was like Oh his dad handball league that's very high. But it just like a chimney like pinballs around off defenders and then comes off his chin for what is probably the Strangest Gore Goal Hill. Score. elsewhere in the League Houston, got a huge result in the Texas rivalry. They want to nothing over Dallas I thought this was a massive massive. Thing for Houston especially after. Trading at least the way they also brought in a replacement. toot sweet. The to Darwin's came up big Darwin gotTa Goal Darwin Seren Goal they also got a guy sent off for terrible tackle so. Winning a game to rival. Being a man down. Dallas has been very good especially, defensively I thought this is a really big statement of intent from Houston and shows that they're they're far from out of it. They certainly can look weak at times but this for me was a great game also say too. There is a lot of because in my notes I was looking through and I was like there's a lot of like that's not a penalty. That's just stupid I thought. It was. A well rounded game. which with L. Faith is something that doesn't always happen but I thought he was going to say. Yeah, that's that's high praise going for his. Fan but I thought that he did a good job. He let the teams play. The Red card was very easy call to make indefinitely the right one. And I believe that was far checked as well. I think it was a yellow to begin with. So just it all worked out well, I think it's important to note to note the boring times or when all the calls for the most part are good and things are well raft. You don't talk about those ones so. That is an interesting point. We we. were. So we we overlook so many so many times. The the easy ones with that if you had this week. A needle drought, he Nashville Minnesota, another nil nil between. Atlanta and Orlando was there any from the previous match day? That was that was? A Nobel between New England national, the previous matchday At least you had L. A. Galaxy versus Portland Camber where their goals in that game too. I think there is a soaked up all the goal. I that's my it was nice of Nashville and Orlando and Atlanta to gift all of their goals to La Galaxy in Portland for their game. Nine goal. Rackham Stockham boppers just. While Sane. Yeah I like honestly I watched highlights to this game twice because just desperately trying to come up with some other note than just like shake header, Mogi. Okay. So in the movie. The movie snatch. Boris, the pool dodger has definitely been shot but Dennis freeze character. is in desperate as care towards trying to figure out the situation and? Boris creams atom. I'm not dead yet. Farina's character shoots two more times. And he says I'll. Still. Not. Dead. Shoots again. I feel that this was kind of the rhythm of this game in which in which. Which? was, established was a two-goal cushion. And? The. In in the of ensuing game conceded three goals and you'll never guess what happens next. This is Mario Andretti. You know me as a racecar driver about also a meals on wheels volunteer I raced against the sport's biggest personalities but I've never met more vibrant amazing people than the seniors served by meals on wheels. You can make a difference by dropping off a hot meal and say a quick. Hello. So America let's do lunch volunteer your lunch break at America. Let's do lunch dot org. 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What what what can really do about it The. Other two I thought were pretty soft and. It's just it's really. Got To be a little alarming for several essay that at this point, Portland is still just giving up multiple goals per game that just seem easy. that being said, the fact that they're able to just score goals at will it seems pylons so many. Is Good. However, a six three win might sound good. But when you think about the playoffs coming up and being that leaky at the back I, feel like you have to have some other strategy than just outscore the other team regardless of how many goals have been scored up to that point. They've got the really need to tighten things up at the back. I felt like Steve Clarke had really uncharacteristically poor performance. There's two that I thought he just didn't seem to know where the ball was coming from and. I don't know if it was maybe this communication with defenders, but just looked kind of shaky and out of it. But. I mean, what are you even save the Galaxy in this game? Yeah I'd agree with you that you. Have to think of it as as. A requirement to be you know tighter defensively, you have to think that most time if you're going to be giving up three goals to the galaxy that you're not GonNa win the game it helps to store twice that I guess this is this is the don't You could just you could just a swimming goals like this. You. I think that in some cases, it is a defensive lapse like that first goal more I hit a lot of time. To. About seven yards out to score it on the fourteenth minute. The second from a bogus, he comes from a free kick which I wonder whereby push alert was for that. I thought the This. This the third Portland goal and extreme knowledge not a there's this. There's this tremendous of Portland goal likelier it's. His It bounces off of mob Alice Torso I. It has to be cleared again. which was which was very messy defensively. For Portland but in terms of the like. Diagnosing things the attack A dynasty of the defense of La, it's like. Hilarious scores goal where he is at a diagonal and facing away from the goal and still able to chip. Chip in I don't know that you. I. Don't know what you could have done about that situation talk. No, it's true. I think that at least two of Portland's goals, our goals would beat anybody so. In fairness to L. A.. There's that but. They just. Look a complete mess. and. I mean. For for a brief little window there really looked like things were going to come together for them and and really looked different squad in terms of mentality and defensive ability. But boy that seemed to be a thing of the past this week. The the fifth one for Portland is the one we really look at La's defense would be like, ooh. ooh. Yeah, and it kind of reminds me if like Cincinnati at times, we've got lake eight players all clumped together. With a swarm of opponents surrounding them, and you've got eight players watching the guy with the ball. Let's like that. Is Not. Do you WanNa maybe look at where the ball might be going next no. Okay. All right. Right. No problem that allowing free headers in the box if there was a twenty twenty mls defense. In one line, it's free headers in the box this year just. Got One for Philadelphia. This week is just insane like you've got these big tall guys. Just waiting. and. There'll be a defender on either side and then they'll just look up, watch them headed in. So. What are you GONNA do? It's true. And that was after. You know I completely missed the fact that they also lost to the galaxy also lost to San Jose. Right. Yeah. That was I. San. Jose to the beginning of their fortunes changing really came in had a very strong performance against La. It'd be both that's right. BEAT AFC decided why not we'll We'll complete the LA sweet hearbeat galaxy and then went on to tear Vancouver whitecaps for three goals unanswered just like old times i. See this is where this is where the the The trick is is often continuously thinking of them not that much changed in the interim, but it's like all their form is so terrible. They lost five one they lost heaven while or whatever it was five now thing. You hope in in the situation that Vancouver finds themselves. If you've gotTa to have teams if you had two teams. that. Both are giving up five, one, six, one scorelines the maybe this is your opportunity to get a result. You know the seven one loss to Seattle takes one loss to Portland five nothing loss to Colorado. But. If you think about it now. Says they've won their last three. Certainly it was a another really frustrating one for Vancouver where again like the Seattle game, they the whole through the first. But again, this is a team where if you? Before this. Little hot run the him going on it's like. You think this is. If if bankers having Roxy, you can at least have two teams that are on the same level of roughness. Go at in in the most that they're able to make. Out of this you know is. Is I think. Fifty, four percent possession or something in the first half. It's like. They. Are. Not. As patsy fin earlier the season in terms of creating no chances. But I don't think anything specific like a very special in the first. And then this. Just terrible secrets in the. In on trying to find where the red cards. Plural I am the goals lineup but United States it's rose I for a second yellow I. believe right. Yes he's pulling the arms no Scores I t's right. He's got time to to move in I. think that one of the things that I noticed about Vancouver here is how? It's like they're combating San Jose's man market system by marking Dome at all. in terms of the opposite of men marking right. Terms of you know. The standards have to stay both several vendors have to stay in the center right in their bolted to a place. It's like they're bolted to where they they've been told they should be. They give. Espinosa lots of time to turn around for the first goal and then. Dan Rose getting sent off at the second yellow. And then the second goal from Alright Fiero I had it written into my notice fiero plays into Andy Riaz. Rios, who is he acres of space between the CAP's defence? The midfielder's again with this issue, if you look at it, there are two perfect lines. The whitecaps are forming. In which one by? On the six yard line one just. Just. Just about the top of the box. Much Room in between those two. Yeah. There's there seems to forever be a disconnect between the backline in the midfield that. Whether, it's defending are going forward it it just. Everybody seems to be on a on a different page a really really weak performance from the whitecaps. Yes. The refereeing wasn't fantastic. Eric. sent-off red card has been rescinded. But let's not. You know pretend that this game was lost because of referendums game was lost because the whitecaps terrible right now and there there is really Nothing. In this performance you had to feel. The three one loss to Seattle was somewhat inevitable. We were gifted a penalty. We took it. That's that's great. That's something at least. But you want to anytime. You're getting something like we can't even improve over that performance. Then we go to a team that we should have at least had a chance against I didn't I felt we were going to lose this game as well. But To to just kind of. You know I want to capitulate because I think it's disrespectful to the players that are flying literally risking their lives to play a sport for entertainment but. It's just it's bad. You know and unfortunately my conclusion that I keep coming back to is just that. They're just not a good enough quality side. I don't think that there's a a coach in the world that could come in and get a lot more out of this current team. There's definitely tons of factors and I don't think it's a simple matter of anything of as to why any team is struggling this year but. It was to another just really disappointing set of games from the whitecaps with virtually nothing to redeem. You can. You can maybe look at it. I've tried to find who had the quote that from Marco Santos where he says I'm not able to get the pressing the way that I want them to. And that's a problem which. which like I think that the more I can look at it. It's you Kinda have to the disconnect are these wonderful plans that continue to be made. For for dealing with teams on Can't be executed by the players. On and I want to. One would think using your radically similar. before in the second edition. So. Like player quality is not necessarily. The issue well, researchers. Sorry. Sorry. It's A. His ability to teaches ideas. To. into two players that I have the ability executed is not necessarily the issue. Shirt no, I agree it is also like he picked these players, right? So I I get it but at the same time, it's like well. What's The answer here like? What's the way forward I mean, I get that getting a practice getting practice time the whole team is. A. Very difficult thing to do I get that. There's a lot going on but. It just there's so many different individual and collective parts that don't work. It's very hard for me to accept that it's not mark the census fault. Because there's so many for all the little pieces that are going wrong I mean and it's incredibly difficult job to do. But The Club is his at this point. He's completely remade it in his image. And were were worse now than we were before so. I mean. I'm not gonNA say that like he hasn't brought in better players. in some positions but overall. It when you see are starting eleven even when we've got everybody fully healthy, you put against just about any other team mls and you just look at it and you go. We still feel like kind of a be squad. We don't have a proper full starting eleven of strong. Like players who are going to perform consistently there's so many question marks every almost every single player and it's not bad. It's just that they're not good enough. A. The the level that they're playing at is not high enough for this league. and. The the last thing I just want to squeeze into the remarkable part to me is the players that are coming to the games consistently and performing better if not. Overall, great. Our draft picks and academy products for the most part. I agree that it also limit clear that the reason why I mentioned that is because. The issue is, is your point about the the players not the players dining good enough. Is that it's but regardless of WHO's you know quote unquote faulted is. It's clearly not working and I don't know how many more games when you see you know Ben also get fired or you see people got fired late Mris. Last year. It's still a weird. It's still very weird. So I guess you can't i. I still have I. Still have the tenets of chill soccer in my mind and In to be level headed about it, it probably doesn't make sense to fire mark descent host right now like you might as well ride until the end of the season, we probably won't make the playoffs and then makes it very easy to let him go. And justify that decision and if we do by some miracle, we get knocked out early you know okay we can say we met one target. And maybe there's something to build on I think short short of like making it to the playoffs and winning a game to Santos is finished. But I think a pragmatic thing to do is let him finish out the season. I mean best case scenario it's going to take you. Two months to get a coach in any way. So. Unless you're willing to have his brother takeover. You have to fire the entire coaching staff basically with mark to Santos, and it's very hard to replace people right now in Canada's even more strangely positioned because it can be very difficult to get the rate work visas for somebody if they're international I, think to Santos's time is done, but it will be the off season when that's meet official unless a miracle happens. I think that's true. I think that. Now I guess it I don't know if it's it's. This year's game or next year's game or what have you but I it one of the other critiques that you could give is it you I'm looking at the transfers of WHO's come in the summer. And maybe Seattle maybe. Roman Torres only gonNA. Go back to Seattle maybe you know obviously is they they wanted the sent him out were you in terms of ex players were not going to re-sign Kamara. Earn or Lee Win. But it's like if you look at a you know. Columbus Getting Willard for Miami. DC getting actually. You're Berg from Columbus the defender for Emmanuel boating if like you can just get defenders. You can. It's it's it's been challenging and I know that the location issue is a problem and I know that nobody is is in a great. While he's in terms of revenue but as as challenging as the whitecaps defender issues have been nobody is stopping them from going. And there's been. Some good sires available. That's been kind of maddening thing and I really do feel for them in terms like Marco Santos basically is the scouting. Department. And I get that. That's that's a difficult job to do because not it's not the one he was hired to do. However. It. He, it is his. and to me, it's like are you just looking too far afield for the next you know big young South American signing who's GonNa come in and then you can turn on sell at a profit. Or are you not actually looking at pieces within the League now, in fairness they've been signing academy products and bringing some great players into the team. Usually those you can kinda scoff at and be like well, they're not gonNA make the first team but they have this year and you know in terms of Baldi Samoan Times at times repose Oh as well. They've looked better than any of their older counterparts. Those are actually those have been good signings and you know the the success of Thomas Sasol's another another one until his unfortunate injury. So It's. It's certainly not a like the whole structure stinks you know there's little tiny elements working but it it ain't much and it really does feel like. You know nothing against what Marco Santos has accomplished. But like if you WanNa talk about availability of talent enamels, there's lots of great coaches. You can get experience coaching stop screwing around get somebody with experience into coach this team. MLS experience or higher. And The. I I'm big. You know it can be. I did this on twitter in Saab other people doing it as getting into the fuck getting into the despondency. Of thinking like who can we beat right now? I, don't, and that's that's defeatist thought because we have had good wins this year but it's like you know we could be cattery last year. So we couldn't even we could even be at the top level of CPI went down there in and when you start talking like that you know is other people are doing. It's like you know I'm completely checked out or whatever. I WANNA be clear I. You know I was That the the how it started, how's it going? I was looking at old I was looking at old quotes that I found a a free expert post. March et two, thousand, nine. Andrew Bates is so pumped on Vancouver Mls twenty eleven. And in if I go back and I think of that, you know of that time of of Of I seen the club in first experiencing the joy being a fan. I am glad there is soccer in hoover and I don't want the whitecaps to go away or anything. It's just. In Never I never wanted to come to that when we talk about the challenging nature of supporting the team right now in terms of. How hostile at times they have felt? To how? A continued to have moves like you know. Firing the C O in and the continued mishandling of the dish you the cropped up last year. With the the accusations of. Misconduct it's. I in in in how that went in terms of what apple with Anthony Blundell I'm it's really hard to support. The specific whitecaps that we have right now. But even though it's challenging, things can be challenging for teams. It was very challenging for Toronto for a long time dog this none of this is is. On twitter, there is a little bit of public vintage. None of this is is deputy my overall resolve. It's just hard. It is. Yeah. Yeah. No I think that like there are better days ahead for the WHITECAPS and it's probably not with many players in our current roster nor with mark do Santos leading the team. That's how I feel about it I think it is gonNA take something different and You know I I felt this way when Santos was brought in I think that. It was not giving him enough credit, but one of my worries was. I'm tired of putting chances on promising young coaches. And Hoping Youth used in the team and Youth in the coaching staff is going to. Do the trick and Mike Argument Against Marco Santa's was like, yes I know that he's played at some. Coached some very high levels and had some success. But they weren't mls Emma's at different beast smut necessarily better. But it is a different beast. He was unproven mls and that was major worry is that we were still. You know taking on a project that may not work out and I. Think it's fair to say at this point, it hasn't really worked out. So, and it's not again and I really grew to like Marco Santos and liked his approach and. I appreciate. Having somebody that just really gets soccer and his such a soccer nerd at the head of the Club I. Love It. But you know the press conferences have gotten Kinda rough where He's he's very cagey and defensive before anybody's even asked a question and when he's asked a pointed question about something that's a real concern kind of acting a bit baffled than it's it's the same this body language on on the touchline when his team gets scored against and he's there with the coaching staff and they all suddenly stand up there looking at each other and scratching their heads and it's like come on guys. This is this is basic. Set piece defending here like why are you? Why are you so confused about what just happened like? An I mean that being said I get story short is just Drew it planned it doesn't. Front office goals as well. Not going well. Spikes Been Great. Let's the. History with With wages managers isn't it is that you know them reacting defensively with with things are going poorly to say listen I'm very smart. This was a good plan, but you still lock exactly I get it. It's kind of a circular conversation. What do you say like well, I'm trying I did tell them to do something different and as you can see, they did not do that thing. But it's the coach of this team. This is what I have to deal with. Sporting Kansas City took a couple of wins to Houston a one nothing against Chicago. La to see play this actually added I don't see. Had A game rescheduled today not where were they just? Yeah. L. AFC the a free one. Were they oh, it was rapid galaxy. Was the most recent one to get range. I think I think. You're right. It's the. Day was supposed to play on Wednesday against L.. EFC. And then tomorrow's game has been canceled because the the outbreak at a the covid nineteen outbreak at the rapids is continuing. with one new confirms positive case in the rapids playing pool shoot. We wish everyone. Well, they're hopefully. Everyone recovers quickly and. Can get back to playing. Live and. They continued risk that. Teams, face for Tip play is. Continuing to be worrying, it's as they move closer closer to playoffs. You know as bad as the chairman was a you know you. You see things like that. You think quite good. Knew that ended with the tournament. And you know this is only I think of because there's been a lot of hype recently around who's GonNa win the Supporters Shield. TORONTO. FC is three points off the. Pace, it's like what is fucking point of the Supporters Shield at this point. And now. It in this season saw. Important General has adulting, but it's like like. What are the twenty twenty supporter shield getting mean yeah. Yeah. No, it's. It's ridiculous. I mean. I get it. We are clearly all in denial and this entire season is like there were three parts and we are just pretending that somehow all the competition was equal and we're gonNA have a playoffs that only eight teams don't participate in that's totally normal and find and good, and at the end of it, we will be able to say, yes, this is the best team in almost like. We are all being completely delusional about it for the sake of having a sport so. If you if you don't award, the CASCADIA Cup because supporters are not present I don't see why you award the Supporters Shield when most of those games have piped in supporters. Yeah. It feels. It's just weird. It's weird and bad weird and bad. Speaking of things that were weird and bad. I the. The US l.. Segue in there you go. Perfect. The. US. L. Has has find ordered on his issued a six latch band to junior Fleming's Phoenix exceed for an incident. Cropped up essentially right after we got. Off The phone call. Last three. Yeah. Yeah like. After we had wrapped up our last episode and Post Post. Post. Game Chatter. I just happened to see a tweet about an incident that happened between San Diego loyal and Phoenix rising and I was like. Doesn't us put all their games on. Youtube. So I went and found the full match kind of went to roughly when I thought, the incident might have occurred and watched. Just, an insane Lake fifteen minutes on fold. That I still like the law has happened since but still really struggled to wrap my head around how it even happened. But It was going. There was a really troubling an awful incident in which The. Junior having used a WHO denies it he denies it, but the club accepts the findings of US investigation. Did he used homophobic remark? On the field against Colin, Martin who came up when he was playing for a Minnesota United. Is Gay. And Deep. What unfolded in that fifty minutes Retro Time? Is. Fleming uses what I think has been identified slaying. Slur. and. Call Martz's. He just said he just used a gay slur or something the referee herb the Word Gay at red-carded, Colin, Martin so Landon Donovan fresh for forfeiting loyals draw the previous week because of a a a racial slur used by allegations to member. I'm. Storms on the field in. Is basically losing it as I think, you know everybody who you know understood, the secrets must've been to think. How can this be happening? In in. It has It has made a lot of news. I'm really glad that the US L. were able to. To. have an investigation i. think it really bothers me still that the player. That you know You had the owner of Phoenix rising on twitter that night so much so much even as you know. A. You even as the actual news events of the player being put on hold by the cloud of the of the coach going on leave. Were happening at the same time as people's twitter timelines were still regurgitating sixteen year our old tweets. Of player statements that they were making in the middle of the night. So you'd have like the player statement where he says. I didn't say a homophobic slur and I never would say anything like that, and then I think that must have been before De sportscenter audio leaked where the referee says Oh, I heard the thing that you allege that he said I just didn't know that it was I didn't know that it was a slur in i. Kit Jump to conclusions even though I red carded you because I heard, you say the word gay. Yeah, which is like sort of like also admitting that you're not good at your job, but I guess that's better than. Than not, I mean. There's so much that we could talk about here and I don't know there's it's really worth getting coach thing. Let's just talk about the real quick just so. That the coach thing is Landon Donovan I feel as he does storm the field in his livid but I also think he's very controlled in his reactions and he's trying to separate. And he's trying to he's also he goes onto the pitch to get his players off the pitch. So what makes this? Slightly, different than just a coach running onto the field and honestly he ran onto the field and just death. I would've been fine with it but. It like just. The He goes on the pitch pulls his players off and then he's on the sideline having conversation with the referee and the Phoenix rising coach explaining what went on. And the the thing about this that makes it so crazy is that the coach the Phoenix rising coach Whose name names eluding me but it's Rick ships I believe. Chance Yeah Rick Schantz. Like right after the game tweeted like Oh my comments didn't mean this and he was he was caught in this. Video telling Landon, Donovan you know They're just out there trying to compete. You know you're you're causing a scene. Have you ever played soccer before to? The person who holds the US men's national team goalscoring records. Well and then he's kind of like defenses comments because he was like I didn't like I didn't mean it like I wasn't trying to defend this. The use of the slur and say that it was normal to to say homophobic things in the course of a game, but it's like. That clip is from the game that was all captured live the cameraman on the sideline who deserves. All kinds of journalism awards in raises for catching it. All clearly captures the entire conversation between the match official Landon, Donovan and Rick Chance, and it's pretty clear in the course of fat that land of specifically says, he called him gay he's a gay player. And the coach just brushes it off. Here's now other thing I want to say about that about his specifically about his defense. To me it admits to. I didn't want to say that you are wrong for protesting I, was unhappy with the way you did it in to me. That defense is. Is a negligible distinction. To, say to say I didn't mean to say that he was wrong was wrong in the way that he defended this player is essentially the same thing. And given like I think the the focus should really be on the. Call Martin's response the team's response and Landon. Donovan's response which I rightly was the thing getting the most attention which was. You know this is a really big important game for San Diego loyal but they felt like they didn't do enough to support their player the previous week when a racial slur was used, and so they decided as a team that they would take action they would try to make something more meaningful and actually had planned a moment I think I believe in the seventy first minute they were going to stop the game with Phoenix rising and take a stand together to come through the second half of having. Another incident happened and they forfeited an incredibly important game so and the defense that nothing happened or the. Wayland and dealt with things. It's like look they were winning this game and could have just. Said you know what? We'll take this and we'll just beat you guys instead and I think like that. That was definitely an option available to them and instead. Said No, we're stopping everything and we like we just we can't do this again and Landon Donovan right even in his visceral anger on the pitch is clearly saying that everyone like we're not doing this again. And? You know in his his post-game comments this is truly like the great. Just moments for a soccer coached. I mean he's he's tired emotional but also just saying like we missed an opportunity to support one of our players in the game when the incident happened last time. So we resolved to not do that again. Which one we're talking about change, and we're talking about meaningful change in actual accountability to see a soccer coach, get that and go. We didn't do right by our player. So even though it happened to one of our players from another team saying the thing. We decided collectively as a team we needed to better support our players and it happened the next week. And so they decided to to take action and. I mean. It's. It's been a wild week for for both clubs but one of the things that has resulted from it was a joint statement from both clubs were it was clear that they met and discussed what happened. and. Rick. Chance came out with an accountability statement about the steps. He would personally take to better educate himself which were very specific and I think thoughtful and also for the two clubs to say together you know they were going to work together to try to make some changes in the league. To try to get something good to come out of this just. Really. Awful moment. aren't thinking. I think. You know what? Certainly when you're in landed on Vince position you have a a tremendous when you are essentially like a CO founder of the club and a soccer legend in the coach, you have a tremendous amount of privilege to take this action in he is doing it. I think that one of the things is. I think key to the way as you say, look, who's his statement in the interview? That you know. Being disappointed didn't do the the game before. It's like. The nature of this protest in I think the the nature of the issue of what happened of what Shane's would say. Is like that you. To actually say like games just can't go on like this. And this almost in a way like relates to. Both the issue of MLS continuing to. Play through such a terrible point in the world in the United States is history the issue of player strikes in general and up protests in the states of just being like, why do you expect that the game will continue? If if if something like this, this happened, why is it? Why is it the understanding that if it does happen what we're supposed to do is like Shrug your shoulders aims in not make a big deal out of it. Well and Colin Martyn Rightly says in I, don't know if it's a post game interview in a subsequent interview that he did where he's like. Played professionally for a long time and there's always lots of chatters is the first time I've had a homophobic slur directed at me. And rightly pointing out this is my workplace. And I. think that's really key for the very few trolls that came out to. Voice displeasure at this really impressed with the Phoenix rising fans. Very quickly condemning the player in standing with Landon Donovan, and Colin Martyn. but. I mean. It's so easy to forget because it's a thing for our entertainment a entertainment but this is what they do for a living and they are in a union environment and they are subject to the same rules so. It is a big deal i. mean it would have been a big deal anyway but. I just I've immense admiration for Calling Martyn for for holding himself together through all of this and and being so eloquent when. He would be completely justified to just tell everybody to take a flying leap and. Not Handle things with grace. It's unfortunate that. You know queer rationalized. And folks too experience marginalization continue to half the people to take the high ground in moments like this. But. Again, the it felt good to see somebody in the moment say, no, this isn't okay. We're not just GONNA continue we're not gonNA just brush this off we actually have to do something about it. To me feels. Very significant and. And there was a lot on the line they didn't need for this game but. To lend Donovan and the players. They couldn't continue and I think he's respective. So thick that. Really hits home is personal in. You know. I. Know You know. The thing happening is. Something that. Is Infuriating. and. I think that the idea of. Like a precedent. and. Two teams even if they're second-division teams try to move forward it is just like. That is why I think it has battered so much to you and I and. Our fans across. North. America. Yeah and because it. It does feel personal because every time it's just another reminder you're not welcome here and. This environment that you thought was for you and is safe isn't in some small way and for that briefest little window time. You kind of feel that. And you're like. All right. So if I do WANNA stay supporting soccer, I have to withhold some part of my identity because. This kind of crap is going to happen. But to then see. The. The reaction from Landon Donovan from the club From the fan base. From. Just soccer fans in general and of course, there are people saying stupid shit about it but for the most part. Actually was the lake it was nice to see after a terrible incident. Be Like Oh, these people are a small number of people in the wrong here and actually are going to be held to account and. People are. Doing the right thing and recognizing that. This is much bigger than a single moment or a single game or. The sport in general and we can we decide to Go another the big thing. For. Discrimination of all kinds of in the comes from this incident is that. I'm sure that the two clubs involved in the US L. have. Learned. A lot of lessons throughout the course of the process. I really hope MLS MLS clubs and their eyes open because this is going to happen. In. The. Question is not like when is the next player going to walk off the field? It's like It will happen so you have to. Decide what you're going to do for that player in and. Whether or not you need to force damn to walk the that's another part. When you're talking about anyways. Proof editor. I mean we we talked about this before the show where it was like I mean this, this could be the show. A lot of loaded things for for both of us and for a lot of people. Junior Fleming's has been suspended as. Embattled his whole six game six game suspension. He's he's been. He's been put on leave the cloud also said that they are putting him on leave for the remainder of his contract, which is one of. So, that will be his. That will be his right the remainder of his time at the club. That the last thing I'll say that I think is important is that The coach's response from Phoenix rising was not great. He acknowledged that response was not great and. Working with the people involved actually. Apologized for this specific actions and committed to do something. About it. Various specifically and as much as it's really easy to want to write people off and and just be angry about it and I went there. but it's important that we talk about the other side of things, which is, which is not just every time something awful happens being like will fire everyone and this is all bad and nothing good will come of this but. People will make mistakes but when people can acknowledge those mistakes and work with the people that were harmed to do better and to acknowledge that harm. It is meaningful. And I have to admit it probably was not a fun thing to have to call call and Martin and specifically apologize. But it was the right thing to do. and. It was the right thing to mention the specific ways in which harm was done rather than say, well, I didn't mean to do this. Who can say like the language in the policy was unambiguous and that matters so I'm glad that. We can't just talk about like we we can actually say. Maybe, we'll get learned here and The correct actions are being taken because that's an opportunity that's been missed time and time tired re completely professional sports. Who? I tell you. Anything to Colin Martin. It's GonNa it's GonNa. Be a lot more than just landon Donovan storming the pitch but big mood twenty twenty. On event just like no now that we. Don't have got through this this braces of two weeks to two weeks in one week and I think it's like until the end of the season, it's basically get her be a whole match day twice a week. Where can we find you online? You can find me online on twitter and Instagram at that. So mls you can, of course, find this podcast wherever you get you can get on twitter at. 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Therese, it's twenty twenty-eight goal to build a lunar base actually sustaining human presence on the moon NASA has awarded three hundred seventy million dollars to over dozen companies to deploy technology on the lunar surface while those technologies. Of course, include four G. NASA says four G. could provide more reliable longer distance communication than the current radio standards that are in place on the moon. Like the earth on earth, the four G. Network will eventually be upgraded to five G.. Now, I wonder if it'll be considered local calling from the moon to your family, maybe you know if an astronaut on the moon working there on the on moon base wants to call home. On like et will it be a local call if it's four g network maybe probably not probably not a four g will probably work better on the moon than it does here, it won't have trees buildings or TV signals to interfere with the four forged signal. That's true. But it might have gravity interfere with it I. 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The DOJ lawsuit claims that Google holds an unlawful and anti competitive position within search alleging that the conglomerate has engaged in anticompetitive search and search advertising practices. Google has argued that there is vigorous competition for its different operations waging I can't help but chuckle. No such thing is vigorous competition for Google just just doesn't happen. But that's what they're arguing. Anyway, the lawsuit is the. Biggest challenge by the United States of the growing power of tech companies in a generation. Comparable to the lawsuit against Microsoft filed in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, eight we heard about that. Of course in Chris's Tech History and the nineteen seventy four case against at and T. which led to the aforementioned break-up of the bell system. And of course, it was at Microsoft lawsuit that paved the way for other companies like Google to now grow. Now Google finds itself in the same exact position that Microsoft was in. Them to grow isn't that kind of interesting the vicious cycle continues. The Justice Department said that for the sake of American consumers, advertisers, and all companies now reliant on the Internet economy. The time has come to stop Google's anticompetitive conduct and restore competition because attorney general bar said that Google has gotten so big that no one can feasibly challenge their dominance in search and advertising, of course. Yet Google says they're engaged in vigorous competition E. Yeah. Ninety percent of searches are google. and not to mention there's there's only a Google Google Google. It is the only verb you don't you people don't say Yahoo it. because. That's just stupid because nobody uses oh I say ultimate ALTA VISTA IT EGO boy talking about the old days I'm dating myself now. Yeah. You are does AOL. Still have some kind of research probably not probably Wouldn't wouldn't be very effective did anyway. So. That's interesting. We'll have to wait and see what happens. It's going to be long and drawn out no question about that. It's GonNa take a while. For that to play its way through the courts, but we'll see how it goes and do state to. You and I were talking about before showtime that apple has come in and ruined another other lifelong tradition for me. Good Grief Classic peanuts specials are leaving broadcast TV and moving to Apple TV just in time for the holidays. Thanks apple that's the thing is every year of my life around this time I would tune into broadcast TV like millions of others to watch. It's a great Pumpkin Charlie Brown, and this is a tradition that. I continued with my son and we've watched it every year, but you don't subscribe to Appleton subscribed so we won't be able to watch it on Apple TV issue ironically, two years ago somebody gave me the DVD collection of all of them but I don't have a DVD player hooked up I will have to hook a DVD player up. So we can still watch it because I am not subscribing to apple plus just to watch the. Employees you plus me yeah. Good for you. Because I would hope you wouldn't have to do that. But yeah, they snatched it away from broadcast television fifty, four years. It's been on. Wow. Well, times. They are a changing and if you do have apple TV plus it'll be available for three days starting on Tober thirtieth only for three. Over thirty thirty first and November I basically plays through Halloween. That's it. Yeah. But then again broadcast TV only had it on one night. So I guess three days a little better. Wow. That's interesting. Now that more people have got the hang of zoom more people might be willing to pay to attend. Hosted using zoom don't be surprised if you see musicians and comedians cashing in on zoom. In the near future because that's probably the only way especially with the pandemic that a lot of people can still make some money. So if you have a favorite musician or a favourite magician for that matter or favorite comedian or what have you. They may be doing a performance via zoom and they'll charge you for it. There was a guy who I think came in one of the finalists in one of these. cooking shows with who's a the chef that's always yelling at Ramsey Gordon Ramsay him and he was I don't think he won, but he was one of the finalists young guy and he's been. Doing I've seen it coming up on instagram ads and whatnot an occasional cooking with nick. The guy's name was nick whatever. And he's charging people and telling you ahead of time if you sign up and pay I give you the ingredients and we'll all cook whatever this dishes together. Now. I think that's a little odd but more power to him because apparently it's working because he's doing several of these. And there's an another example of somebody making money by just doing a team meeting and letting people come in after they've paid and then everybody cooks the same dish together. Well, and there's a food network does a similar thing with their APP Food Network Kitchen which apparently they have live lacks some of them alive but they have cooking classes even demand that you can watch and Cook along with and they charge you. Fort. Living normally they charge Idaho for what it is a year but as a prime member that was I got a notification that I got a free one year subscription to it. So I thought this is great because I've got the echo show with the screen can move this into my kitchen and do this and cook along with them, and that was six months ago and I don't think I've even done it once. I know I haven't even done it once but can say you don't think you have. Wouldn't you remember if you did you would think I would remember. Yeah. But you like to cook I like to cook. But you know I, I. Guess I. Don't like it enough to move the thing in there and actually cook along with people. But there are people that I guess like to do that. You mean unplugging your echo show and moving it into the kitchen, which is about twenty steps away and plugging it in there it's on. Wi Fi. All right. So it's not a land. Alexa move to the kitchen that would be much better but. I'm sorry I'm afraid I can't do that. Yeah. Yeah The one that over the last year or so figured learned that it's harder to get Alexa to understand what I'm saying I, mean I don't think I mumble or or have speech impediments that have gotten worse or have an accent or something. We have friends that have such a heavy Cuban accent or otherwise that they're like lexus have trouble understanding them. You're listening to into tomorrow with Dave. Grave line. She understand. Quiet. Yeah. But I never used to have an issue with Alexa now, I, find myself having to give commands two or three different times even screaming at her, you know telling it to shut up because she doesn't understand what I'm saying. Yeah. Well when you curse at her though she does say, I'll take that under advisement or something or I'll let my support team no or something I was watching something on TV. I don't even remember what I guess it activated and and I thought that I was giving it a a bad remark because it says thank you for telling me because I'll be able to improve. I was like I didn't even say anything there was something on TV something on TV and I guess she felt that I was saying I don't like you because if you say Alexa you stink or something, it's like giving feedback. So do you say that a lot to your election? I say things. You do converse with your Alexa, frequently do not. Oh Boy Federal Court has allowed Microsoft to take control of domains used in fishing operations against office three, sixty, five customers the cyber criminals used corona virus related words in fishing lures in fishing. See what we did there In those phishing email sent to millions of business units in sixty two countries to gain access to emails, contact lists, and personal data in one drive and share point storage systems. So now they might actually have a bit of a tool to sort of fight back and see how that goes so. Because the fishing nonsense has got to stop. Yes. That's what I think. Michael in Tyler Texas listens on KT BE AM AND FM by the way a Michael Welcome into tomorrow I always like to say congratulations on the anniversary of the show. Thank you know second. What is a good watch? Would it be Apple Watch or would you go for the enjoyed in Noda have both phones? Okay. Well that's good. First of all, thank you for our twenty fifth year on the air congratulations we appreciate that and Michael. There are going to be a few things to consider of course when you say, what would I recommend on an Android Guy? So I would recommend an android smartwatch basically but the first is, what do you want the watch to do if you have both android phones and iphones? As you mentioned that you probably use one for work and one for your personal life, which do you want the watch to be involved with which phones notifications are important enough to get on your wrist which things do you want to track the most now the other big thing is an apple watch is an apple watch their solid they last a long time they work well for the most. Part. But most importantly, they're made by apple and no one else, and of course, they cost the most money. An android Watson is a really watch os watches and there are lots and lots of different ones If you look at something like Samsung's Galaxy Watch line, that's what I've got on. That's what I wear. It was not currently but forget to pull off the charge of this morning. They're all going to be pretty good. They make different kinds for different lifestyles, some more discreet, some more rugged, but they're all good watches and it's mainly a matter of choosing the one that adapts to your use. For example, running in the rain a lot my call, one of the act of model. That's a good point to look for that. Now, if you look at some of the generic ones out there, your experience may vary be advised even some recognizable brands have put out watches that haven't lasted and haven't fared very well. At all enough with an Apple Watch, you'll have support an updates for quite a few years. If you go with one of the more solid android brands like the galaxy line, we mentioned you probably will as well. But if you go the budget brand, your experience may differ greatly and we also mentioned the two different kinds in which notifications more important the Apple Watch will work with an android phone. A WATCH OS watch will work with an IPHONE, but you won't get every single feature available unless you have the watts from that carrier. You use your galaxy. Watch with an android phone, you get all your text messages anything on the watch. I use it with iphone phone. I only get that I have a text message, but it won't read it to me. I can't see it on the screen my pictures people don't show up, but at least I get notifications and most all the watches of any smartwatch brand all. Have the very simple stuff step counting heart rate of not all of them but most of them do so if that sort of feature is important to you, then you need to make sure you get that as well. 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Here's here's grants this week in eighteen sixty one, the first transcontinental telegraph line across the US was completed spelling the end for the eighteen month old pony express which ceased operations as two days later. Yes. Day. And the remaining assets have the pony express were sold wells Fargo for one point five million dollars. In Nineteen forty-six this week, a camera on board V. Two rocket which was launched from White Sands missile range in New Mexico took the first photograph Earth from Outer Space Most. Illogical. The German v two rocket had been captured by the Americans at the end of World War Two, the explosive warhead was removed and replaced with a package of scientific instruments. These included a thirty five millimeter motion picture camera set to snap one picture every second and a half. ME. In nineteen fifty five this week, the Microwave Oven was introduced in Mansfield Ohio at the corporate headquarters of the TAP in company. 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Welcome back into tomorrow. I'm Dave grave line and thank you for Tuning into tomorrow our twenty fifth year on the air covering the latest in consumer tech products and services gadgets and Gizmos all sorts of things available today, and into tomorrow we want you to participate on the program not just because when we hear you on the air, we like to share all. Kinds of goodies that many of our guests and sponsors and other friends of the program or sending US regularly to share with you but that's incentive enough. But hopefully, because we can answer your consumer tech questions, let us solve your digital dilemmas anytime. The best way to participate is with our into tomorrow APP just search those two words your favorite APP store into tomorrow. And hit the button that says message studio you can do that twenty, four seven or you can call eight, hundred, eight, nine, nine in two. That's eight, hundred, eight, nine, nine, four, six, eight, six, anytime, twenty, four, seven, and that's toll-free. From anywhere in North America. Panasonic's tough book line of devices. You've heard US talk about him for years because we have used the panasonic tough books, not only in our Miami studios but as we travel the world back in the good old days when we travel. We've used them literally around the world provide access to all kinds of applications and data in some of the most challenging mobile environments, including some of the ones that we have experienced firsthand the head of mobility product management and market strategy for Panasonic is Dan Dila Bertie. Did I say your name right? Dan. Oh Yes Well thank you and welcome into tomorrow. Delighted to have you with us and delighted that we can talk more about Panasonic tough books which we have used from. Let me reach over and grab this one. Here's one of the older tough books that we traveled with for many years and has had all the right connectors that we needed and so forth and some of your counterparts have said. Yeah. But that's such an older unit. We have to fix that. So they did of course now we have the newer or one of the newer fantastic tough books we use again regularly and travel with on a constant basis. So we're we're very good. Promoter of tough book because, yeah they do get dropped they do get abused. They do get banged around by TSA whatever the case and they continue to work. No other laptop. Do we pack because we have to carry it on because it's dangerous you know they get beat up and they get moved around. All the tough books for years we've had no problem putting in with luggage and baggage that's just going to get bounced around because they always survive is that kind of the whole strategy I'm guessing of tough book from the beginning Yeah Gosh I I really appreciate you saying all those great thing but it's true. Okay Really goes to say a lot about the engineering and the quality that we put into the product that the people who use our products day to day are Are Using it for mission critical purposes. You Know Police Fire Ems and everything else in between. So we really. Count. On those products working and Glad you had a great experience with two. Oh, for sure. We absolutely have had a great experience. The only thing that would be better as if my little earpiece which stop bouncing out, but that's not a panasonic issue. That's just one of these things that we're having to deal with here on in in the tech world and especially these days doing zoom interviews because, of course. You come and see Dan's interview and the products that he's showing us as well as hearing all about this on the radio. And although the tough book, a three is kind of. I guess safe to say an enterprise grade device at something more certainly for the business world. It's got a lot of features that we as consumers would look to us and take full advantage of. Yes. Yeah you know it's so interesting that. You know that sometimes the consumer market can drive innovation within the enterprise markets within the public safety markets and things but with a lot of the work that we're doing it's really gone the other direction. So a lot of the feedback that we're getting about the new book eight three, which is our latest and greatest rugged is android tablets a one inch device. Has Some innovations in it that are really driving the rest of the industry. For example, This tablet has dual hot swap batteries. So you can imagine and sure you can relate if you've ever been using your technology out in the field. You want to get. Something done and your battery dies and so with with the technology that we've developed along with you know our engineers is is gives us the ability while you're working to take one of the batteries AL, fresh it up with a brand new and keep working without ever having a stop. Now that's and that in and of itself is pretty amazing and of course, the helps anybody in any kind of field environment or even if you're inside somewhere and you're in the middle of doing something. What do you mean the battery's dying? You know I got to replace it what I gotTa Power Down You don't have to do that with the three. And while I don't have one to show in my studio bit, you can show us a three I. Sure. Do I have one right here? You can see the display. Yeah. Very nice. The ten point one inch display like I said and one of the things that make it's makes it so great as it's ultra bright, it's A. Myth display so it can be used in the direct sunlight. It's got an incredible contrast ratio. So the what you can't see in the direct sunlight really pops and has a really beautiful picture to it and if you happen to drop it, it's got a draft specification You can use at the rain the other unique innovations that we. Were talking about is that this as rain? Rain touch. So Panasonic has a patented technology that consents, raindrops, what it's hitting the device so that it doesn't interact with in doesn't confuse it. So so in other words, a raindrop that you might think otherwise, if you've got the keypad open is not going to be typing with rain. To detect raindrop, everybody can relate to try to use their phone in the snow or in the rain and display kind of we'll go crazy thinking that you're trying to touch it. But but with Panasonic's technology. We can actually tell the difference between a finger and a raindrop. So makes the experience that much better and you guys, of course have thought of everything and if you're out on the field as you may be. Our regular listeners know on the former police officer with Miami. Dade for many years boy things like that would have come in very handy. But how about construction folks? How about architects about? Just anybody else that is out and about having to do they need to do. It seems like you have thought of everything for them. What are some of the other big users industries that are just saying? It live with our tough books. Yeah well, construction is certainly one of them. We serve all sorts of vertical markets from from my I think I already mentioned fire ems yeah. public safety, but also enterprise customer. So maybe the field delivery person WHO's coming to your door and dropping off a package would use a tough book. something. kind of a device like ours. So what we try to do is no matter what the case is that we're building our product.

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"Eventually seneca move out of room to the roman suburbs because he couldn't stand the noise anymore. Noise like carpenters at work and musicians in the public square. So i kind of picture. He's moved out by the philosopher. Arthur schopenhauer rating in nineteenth century. Germany complained that the cracking of horsewhips paralyzes the brain and murders thought. I submit that if people like chopin. Our and seneca considered noise worthy of their attention and disdain. We may follow suit absolutely and sound has changed a lot in modernity and the world has gotten noisier so we have new kinds of factory noise. We have new kinds of noise from transportation railways automobiles airplanes. And then we have new kinds of ways of consuming sound itself through the radio but now pleasant dreams and be with us again tomorrow night through the television for winfrey's and welcome to the very first national and through podcasts. Of course you have chosen to put the sound of my voice in your ear. Why i cannot say on the other hand we are also becoming more finicky when it comes to sound some people for instance seek out. Sounds that trigger. What's called a mar or autonomous sensory meridian response. That is a tinguely relaxing feeling. Some people get when listening to the sound of say a bar of soap being carved or typing on keyboard plainly. The modern menu of sound is a vast all you can eat buffet. But just as plainly many sounds are thrust upon us which has had significant consequences. We've got new diagnoses that have popped up. That just never existed before hyper accuses for instance a rare but debilitating sensitivity to certain frequencies and ranges of sound or phobia a fear of sound and then there's measles fonje a condition that was identified. Relatively recently. the name means hatred of sound. Although the man who named mischief anya admits the name is imperfect me savannah. God forbid should not be translated literally a a hate to sound. That is powell. Yesterday off. I would say like this. And that his wife margaret yesterday. Boss me so funny. Reaction isse negative reaction to specific. Sounds all sounds in very particular situation produced by one or two specific people in specific situation. Okay that's a little bit helpful as a phone is a negative reaction that certain people have to certain sounds in certain situations i. It's a long story. The ostrogoths run the ostrogoths hearing disorders foundation clinic in maryland before that they were medical school professors at emory university. Yes through professor emiratis which actually gives me a great privilege of having free parking. It was at their clinic. That margaret yasser boss. I noticed this interesting new condition. Some patients reported an extreme sensitivity to certain sounds typically. This would be diagnosed as phone. A phobia a fear of sound. But that label. It was upsetting to these patients margaret recalls. How one of them stormed out of the examination room. He's cream it to me and he said i'm not afraid of sound. I'm not fearful sound is making me upset. I cannot control reaction the ostrogoths founder. A range of specific sounds that upset different patients for example Sound of a door closing all airplane flying or south of eating all of kissing example. Interesting is why would someone have no problem with most sounds but become distraught over the sound of eating or kissing so we started thinking about this and we realized is not only feed it is something definitely mall complex one of the most common music. Phonier triggers is the sound of chewing. You may dislike the sound of someone chewing their food but for someone with music. The sound is excruciating. Where does this come from. What i believe them. Proposing missile fanja reflects subconscious connection a subconscious connection with in all likelihood unhappy event. Imagine you are a little kid at sunday dinner with your family and your grandfather's dentures fall out onto the table. The feeling you had then an icky feeling could become subconsciously associated with the sound of anyone chewing and it could subsequently an automatic physiological reaction to treat patients with the boss have drawn on a method used to treat people with tonight us or it's also pronounced tinnitus that is a disorder. Most of us. Think of as a ringing in the ears but it's not necessarily drinking. It can be any kind of a sound can be. Hissing can be sound of insects vis some people who were hearing christmas cars just to be clear people with tinnitus. Hear these sounds when there are no actual christmas carols or insects. Basically perceiving of a sound this not written by sharing so tinnitus is phantom auditory perception. Some people with tinnitus aren't particularly bothered by it for others. It generates an intense emotional response. One treatment is called tinnitus retraining therapy or trt which was developed by pablo yasser baath and colleague jonathan hazel it is a combination of psychotherapy including stress management and relaxation exercises and sound therapy like using white noise to mask. The tinnitus down. So even if you're hearing was sound verse signal is not spreading. Emotional system is not causing an emotion. And he's not causing any reaction and this is the therapy. The ostrogoths have been trying with patients. Suffering from me fonje. They've had at least some success with about eighty percent of their patients and early. Clinical studies have shown promise even for the majority of us who don't suffer from something like musa. Fonje or phone phobia. It's still easy i'd argue. It's easy to appreciate. That noise can generate strong emotions though not always predictable ways. Just as one man's trash is another man's treasure the scale of noise appreciation is a sliding scale the very same chewing sound. That may torment someone with music phone. You can delete someone who experiences. Asmar your favorite song in the world might be my least favorite. You can tell a lot about how someone feels. Based on whether they describe something as sound or as noise so the definitions of noise and sound are often debated in the field of sound studies. That again is mckay. Good sound scholar or maybe the noise scholar when most people talk about noise. The argument is the world has gotten noisier and we need to do something about it right and it's true. Some of these sounds are objectively damaging to our health. History doesn't just change the sounds around us. It also reshapes how we define. What's noise history. Also reshapes the senses themselves. What actually sounds pleasing and displeasing to us how we listen how we learn to listen how we engage with sound. We've been trained by technologies like the telephone and headphones to listen closely and evaluate. Sounds in a particular way. That's different from in the past. And so we have this new pressure to survive through our ability to concentrate and that's when noise starts to seem like a real big problem. Here's one very reductive definition of sound versus noise. Sound is something. I make where choose to hear noise something you make or choose to hear. This isn't a real definition. I just made it up. But i don't think it's all that wrong if you look at surveys where people are asked what sounds the most. The answers aren't very surprising. Loud interruptions like garbage trucks and car alarms also snoring and loud phone conversations other people's loud conversations of course not our own. Our own noise rarely bothers us. This is good evidence that when annoys does bother us. It's not necessarily the sound waves themselves. It's what they represent or maybe failed to represent. Consider the one-sided cell phone call or as it's been named the half log. Why is that so much more annoying than hearing two people talking. Some academic researchers asked that very question with a plausible answer when we hear just one side of conversation. Our brains are compelled to fill in the missing information. Imagine reading a book with every other page tore now. The cellphone half log is noise. We can't ignore and because we can't ignore it or control it. We find as seneca wrote a couple thousand years ago that our very autonomy has been challenged coming up after the break just how costly is noise. The first experiment is really designed to answer this question of what is the impact of noise on productivity. And let's hear from someone who just gets it. If you are seeking assistance with the noise problem you can contact me directly. i'm steven. this is freakonomics radio. Thanks for putting us in your ears. We'll be right back. 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He's it's easy to point out all detriments but as with anything that exacts a cost there are benefits as well often massively consider all the music you love the conversations you have pre pandemic thrill of being in a big crowd during a celebration. We should also appreciate the strategic application of sound for the benefit of our species and other species we already mentioned how scientists at the great barrier reef drew fish back to dying reefs by playing audio of a healthy reef and here this scientists at the university of washington recently began using ultrasound acoustic tweezers. The can manipulate a kidney stone. And help clear through the urinary tract. That said it is wise to be aware of the downsides of noise especially noise that we can't control people have studied children for example in munich. Both in a place where there was an airport and where an airport was going to be built back again is the behavioral ecologist peter tyack and when they closed the old airport and moved to the new airport the children in the new area all of a sudden head cognitive problems related to learning with language tasks. It wasn't loud enough to affect their hearing. It didn't affect their immediate health. But there were problems with stay in school being able to understand complicated linguistic problems other researchers found. That airport noise has negative effects on various cognitive and physical dimensions even after adjusting for socioeconomic factors and pollution. Other studies have looked at the noise generated by highways in subways. Let me talk about my work on subway that is arlene bronze eft professor emeritus of the city university of new york and i do research and write on the effects of noise on people's mental and physical health. She is also on the board of a nonprofit called grow nyc which runs environmental programs in the city and we also have a section on noise and which we give advice to people on how they lessen the noise levels in their lives. But if you go tore noise site and you are seeking assistance with the noise problem. You can contact me directly now. You're not saying that you go down to three one one and take the calls. You're saying this is a separate channel. Actually the people who contact is grow growing my say have not been able to get the assistance through three eleven through their public officials with their managers of their buildings or they landlords. And i get the most difficult cases to people contact me. The answer is yes. The board members of grow nyc are appointed by the mayor and to date browns. Aft has made it through five of them. She is a legend in the world of noise research but that was not her. Original plan knows found me in the nineteen seventies runs after his teaching environmental psychology at leeman college in the bronx. A student asked to speak to me. after class. And said my child goes to a school next to an elevated train and the noise from that train disrupts the classroom every four four and a half minutes and we intend to sue the city of new york in order to improve the education of our children because we believe the trae noise is disrupting their learning to which i said as the wife of an attorney unique data to prove that. The children aren't doing as well in that class and she said will you help us. This turned into bronze afs. I study on the effects of noise at ninety. Eight in upper manhattan. One side of the school building faced nearby elevated subway. The other side faced away. Bronze aft- matched second fourth and sixth grade classrooms on the quiet side and on the noisy side where a passing train would push the sound readings from fifty nine decibels to eighty nine devils. Then she compared the average reading scores from the two sets of classrooms and the children exposed to the transit noise when nearly a year behind in reading by the sixth grade and the teacher had difficulty teaching the published. Paper got a lot of attention. But i had not really responded to mother's request. She asked me to help the children. And so i went back to the school and with the aid of the principal. We went to the board of ed and we asked for coastal ceilings in the classroom and i was able to persuade the transit authority to choose the site adjacent tibet school to test out new procedure. Quiet the noise on the tracks and they agreed and when i looked at the reading scores in the now quiet a classroom and compared it to the reading scores of the children on the quiet side of the building turned out. They now were the same. It's worth noting that bronze subway research as with similar studies at airports and elsewhere have limitations for one thing. Bronze after couldn't randomly assigned students to the noisy versus quieter classrooms. There were also relatively few classrooms to choose from so there might have been some natural variation in any case. This kind of research led to bronze after becoming a scholar of both. The physical and psychological aspects of this issue. Sound is a physical phenomenon. Noise is a psychological. One sound comes into the year it travels to the brain and it registers in the temporal lobe and then we further identify what the sound is but noise. Let you know whether that sound is disturbing is bothersome is hurting you. And that's a psychological phenomenon which part disturbs us. More about noise the intrusion itself or the fact that in most cases we don't have an ability to control. So i would say both the actual sounds that you're hearing is disturbing your sleep and there's a phenomenon. Psychology called learned helplessness. It means to matter how i try. I can't stop it and that is also costly to one's health. Can you talk a bit. More about any trade offs. You can think of in noise reduction. For instance new york city. Subways are still as far as i know steel wheeled which are noisier than rubber. So then i get to thinking well you know maybe re steel wheels are safer or they're more durable or whatnot but you know there's no such thing as a free lunch. I understand that companies you know are in business of making money but what about the medical costs for people who live near noisy. Airports and jada have demonstrated increased cardiovascular disorders for people who live near airports. Doesn't that cost money. So if you asked me do the companies that produce the noise through their products through the activities are they holding the upper hand. Yes but we're paying for it because medical costs in this country are high so our educational costs remember. If the children were year behind in reading. How much would have cost to remediate. Their learning deficits in bronze apps work as an advocate for newark citizens. She has dealt with all sorts of noise. Complaints among the most common are pervasive based sounds. Yes are you in the mood to imitate a pervasive based sound. You can do that better than i can. Speak to obey. Sounds would you please. Yes if you live above a bar or music establishment you don only hear the base but if you're lying in bed you will feel it. The bay sounds are low frequency. Sounds usually we talk about those in the mid range of the frequencies but when you talk about base music you're talking. Low base sounds have taken more of a center stage today. With wind turbines introduction because wind turbines are now seen as an alternate source of energy however the wind turbines generate the low bass sounds and the laws that have been passed to regulate the sound levels of wind turbines have been on the ace scale the mid range where we commonly measure the levels of sound. And they've sort of ignored the low base. And so you find a great uproar from citizens living with turbines saying they don't want them so let's pull back and get a sense. The overall societal costs of noise pollution. What does the economics literature have to say about that. it really doesn't exist. That is josh dean. I'm an assistant professor behavioral science at the university of chicago booth school of business so economists really haven't calculated the costs of noise pollution. There's a very large history of psychologists using noise in laboratory experiments both to understand the impacts of noise per se but then also using noise as a kind of tool in order to understand other things like our working memory. Works and how our attention works. But there's really nothing in economics and there's really not much in terms of how this affects economic outcomes. I think i in scouring the literature managed to find three other papers that have looked at this question including one from nineteen thirty five with twenty subjects. Dean scoured the literature because he had become personally interested in the topic while working on a different project. in india. i was living in delhi. And i was in a cafe trying to work as you know. Lots of grad students do and i kept getting distracted by all of the horns honking and the people selling things and kind of had a lightbulb moment. Where i realized you know. If i'm having trouble doing this inside of this nice cafe. What is this like for people who have to live and work in this kind of noise without even the minimal escape that i'd been to find and when you think about noises the research subject what made you go to productivity versus. Let's say the health outcomes physical or mental health outcomes or other potential downstream effects of noise. Some of it is just that you want something that is relatively easily measurable and quantifiable and productivity is nice. In that way and it's particularly nice in that you can put a dollar value audit if you tell someone. The noise and your factory is causing five percent decrease in productivity that means something to them in terms of managing the decision of whether to abate noise. If you tell people something like twenty five percent of your metal have disabling hearing loss. You have to take another step of trying to convince people that means that you should care about this right and so productivity is an easier outcome boasts to study and to then use to persuade people to care about the problem. Wow that was a very compelling if depressing answer. Isn't that what. Economists are supposed to be good at so josh dean set out to personally expand the scant economics literature on noise and productivity. There were three research questions that i was interested in answering the first just kind of ease their in effect of noise on productivity full stop. And if so how big is that. In other words you were not believing the nineteen thirty five paper you know i would like some more robust evidence. And so that's the first call and then the second goal is to understand. What is the underlying mechanism by which noise affects productivity. So there's this psychology literature that suggests possibly something like inhibiting attention working memory but it could also be something like reducing the effort of workers because they don't enjoy being put in noisy working conditions and depending on what the mechanism is that is going to lead to different conclusions about where we should expect this to matter and what the right policy response should be and then the last question is to understand how much scope. There is for workers to adapt to noise by doing things like purchasing hearing protection or avoiding noisy. Working conditions workers adapt to noise. That is something most of a struggle with at some point especially if your work involves any cognitive tasks some of a struggle more than others. I am raising my hand here. I have always been badly distracted by noise. Even the casual background conversation that most people seem to power right through. When i started working in newsrooms. I wore foam earplugs all day every day and yes was ridiculed for it. Leader came noise. Cancelling headphones total godsend with the additional benefit of signalling to co workers. That you don't want to be interrupted. Noise cancelling headphones have since in popularity as is evident when you walk through any public space. These days a team of scientists in singapore as even invented what's being called noise cancelling headphones for your apartment. It's an array of speakers that emits sound waves calculated. Cancel out the incoming noise. So the appetite to mitigate the noise modern civilization is plainly strong as for the exact cost of all that noise. That is what josh dean wanted to figure out. So he set up a study with two main experiments so the first experiment is really designed to answer this question of what is the impact of noise on productivity and to do so i recruited a group of manual laborers who are used to working in noisy factory conditions and bring them to a textile training facility. This facility was just outside of nairobi. Kenya there were around one hundred workers in the study and they were being trained to so pockets for clothing and then while they're performing standard sewing task i randomly exposed them to engine noise which we think is representative of some of the major types of noise. You might worry about thinking loud. Industrial machines think cars on the street significantly. Engine noise also doesn't have any informational content. It is not like that one sided cell phone. Call your subconsciously trying to participate in. It's not even like overhearing a tv or coworkers chatting now. You may be wondering how. Dean was able to randomly expose these workers to engine noise. So what's nice about this training facilities that they also train automotive mechanics. And for that reason they have car engines mounted on wheels. So i'm able to both randomly assign workers two rooms and then randomly assigned which room is noisy. And what do you do about the exhaust. They assume you want to isolate the noise and not the air pollution right so we have the car engine out an open courtyard with the exhaust pointing away from any access point to the room and then to double check that none of the exhaust accident bleeds in. We measure the co two levels of the room decibels louder is the room with the engine. Banned the quiet room. So it's seven decibels louder. Oh that's not very much. Well decibels are tricky to interpret right. Because they're on a proportional scale so three decibels is the detection threshold of human hearing and a ten decibel changes perceived as twice as loud by humans. So it's not very intuitive. I think the more intuitive way to think about it as if you go from having a kind of normal dishwasher background and the kind of control condition to having a vacuum cleaner right next to you. So these textile workers would spend a few days in training and then get randomly assigned to rotate through noisy and less noisy rooms. They were paid for each pocket. They sewed as long as it was deemed by an impartial judge. After two weeks dean had enough data to see how the noise affected productivity. So we find is that if we double how loud the room feels. The workers are about five percent less productive on this task and just to put that number in perspective we also randomly assigned how much we were paying participants based on their production and their if we double their payment from five shillings per pocket to ten shillings per pocket. That only increases productivity by around three percent. So if you had to describe the magnitude of this effect in lay terms and since we're talking about clothing let's put it in small medium large extra large. How would you describe the change of productivity. Then i would say a medium sized effect relative to the other means we know of affecting productivity. There's another great paper that looks at the effects of an intensive months long management intervention in a textile factory in india. And what they find is that that increases output by nine percent and so this five percent effect is about in line with the other means that we have of affecting the productivity of workers which suggests that it's an economically meaningful environmental input. There was another ten general finding from this experiment that was of interest to dean when it came to being distracted by noise. It didn't seem to matter how good a given worker was at sewing pockets in other words. High level of skill didn't lessen the noise distraction right. Exactly if you have a distracter you've got to slow down a bit to focus on what you're doing to make sure that you're doing it right and that slowdown factor just appears to be constant and then there was the second experiment within dean study. This one was meant to understand why productivity falls in noisy conditions was about the strain or perhaps due to decreased motivation or physical weariness. In this case dean ran a condensed version of the first experiment but rather than sewing pockets the workers perform tasks that tested skills like attention and working memory as measured against a placebo task. That didn't involve any cognitive input at all. The result workers did slightly worse on the cognitive tests and slightly better on the placebo task. So what. I think. We learned from the two experiments. Is that noise can impact productivity in. That seems to come through this cognitive channel. So how much can you generalize. Or would you want to generalize these findings to productivity in other areas. Where noise is a factor. Let's say an open office with conversations going on in the background or a hospital with stinging alarms and so on. There's two questions you have to yourself. The first is. How similar is the noise and in particular along two dimensions of informational content. And how constant the noises so if you are extrapolating to a setting like an open office you can imagine that the effect would actually be much worse because the noise that you're being exposed to has informational content associated with it rato. I'm working on selling a product or a spreadsheet and. I hear the person in the cubicle. Right next to me talking about basically the same thing. That's much harder for our attention to filter and then the other is the task. This is why it's important to know that the mechanism really does appear to be impairing things like attention working memory because that lets us think about the fact that the places we should expect this effect to show up our tasks that have demands on attention. I just wanted to talk for a moment about or noise. Pollution as wouldn't economists. Would i assume call a negative extra analogy as something that i have to put up with it. I am not causing and yet the person that's producing it is not paying a price. So can you describe that scenario for me and how you think about it as an economist in the modern world. That's producing a lot of noise. Sure i think actually we don't have to even think about the modern world. There's this great book on the history of noise by goldsmith and he talks about the first noise pollution. Ordinance did manage this extra analogy. Where i'm creating noises. That are beneficial to me but bother all of the people around me is go dates back to the sixth century bc. No joke is a greek colony. And they had such a problem with their potters and tinsmith and tradesmen making noise and bothering people that they banned them from working in the city. Another example that i really like is in seventeen eighty seven when the founding fathers were working in the pennsylvania state house on the constitution. They apparently spread dirt on the cobblestone streets outside in order to prevent themselves from being distracted by noises. One of the oldest extra analogies that we've had to deal with it is a natural byproduct of a lot of things that you know you wanna do. It's a byproduct of getting around. It's a byproduct of making things. The byproduct of entertainment. And just by its very physical. Nature affects everyone. Who's around you and it's something that you don't really think about or you don't fully appreciate the impact that it has another people. And it's a problem in those who try to manage. Externalities have been dealing with literally since ancient times. The us used to have a federal office of noise abatement and control as part of the epa. But it was de funded in the early nineteen eighties which shifted responsibilities to state and local governments. So there are rules on the books in most places that limit for instance when construction can happen. How loud it can be same for. Garbage trucks and bars and even personal lawnmowers. There are even prohibitions against as cream trucks playing their jingle once their parked at the curb but of course there is a big difference between having noise code and enforcing it in new york city between two thousand and ten and two thousand and fifteen. There were about one point. Six million noise calls via the three one one complaint line only one percent of the cases where the nypd confirmed noise resulted in summits. Josh dean again. So one very economic seating worry about is that noise is very susceptible to a race to the bottom. You get louder which means that in order to compensate. I have to get louder. Which then makes you get louder. Car manufacturers in india have recently started advertising that they can make their car horns extra loud for you. There is no intrinsic reason. You need to really loud car horn right. You have a really loud car horn because everybody else has lowered car horns and it's kind of strategic interplay means that you can get noise levels that really quickly spiral out of control. Oh fighting sound with sound is what i see people doing with these different kinds of technologies sort of pacifying the space around them in order to maintain their own control of their own attention in their own state of mind. That again is the sound and noise scholar. Mckay good his concern about a race to the bottom isn't so much that the world will get unbearably loud. It's that we will focus on individual behavioral problems at the expense of wider structural solutions. I mean is it your jerk co worker. Who slurps ramen noodles. Are they the problem or is it. The open plan office that someone decided was a lot cheaper and more efficient to design. Have we fallen into certain patterns where we're so used to controlling the sounds around us that we don't think to take off the headphones and this is the real problem is there can never be enough control the more control we get the more sensitive we become to noise and if we could magically wipe out all the sound in the world then we would hear the sound of our own tennis because tennis gets louder in a vacuum so i think we need to think about this path because i do not think happiness lies in that direction in which direction does happiness lie. You will find that one word which really cut back on noise intrusion. And that's the word respect and that again is the noise whisperer arlene bronze aft- i think if respect came back and people undestood that they're sounds can intrude on the lives of others. I think for three eleven calls would drop drastically to be clear. Bronze f is not advocating for silence or anything close to it. Even though i write a great deal about noise and speak about it. I'm trying to say to people. Listen there's such good sounds out there. Although many of these good sounds can't fully return until the pandemic subsides especially in such a naturally noisy and crowded place as new york. I do not want the children cheering on the macy's day parade to stop cheering them on. When the ball falls on new jozy. I want the people to shout out and enjoy the moment. I'm not asking for the music venues to shutdown. I'm not. I think the vibrancy of the city the parade the ball falling the music that we here in our city. These are all positive things so let's not lose sight of the various wonderful sounds. The city does have just shown down the ones that intrusive and harmful to our health coming up next time on freakonomics radio in the us alone we spend more than two hundred fifty billion dollars a year on advertising. Just think of how many ads you've seen over your lifetime for products like coke and dove and four so we have to assume that works right. The fact that coke and dove and four have been around for decades suggests that maybe advertising does work. That's what you hear at least from the advertising industry. So what's the evidence. Oh adds definitely work. But we can't tell you how or why or give you any evidence for it. Could it be that many even most those billions of dollars are being wasted. It does impact look like many advertisers in our data are over advertising. 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I'm sure he basically was like whatever by me a coffee once in a while like he can't be going on huge wage there. he I don't think i think it was. I think again thing is small again which base money of future past which dc needed because they just sent some to kansas city for international spots. They could bring somebody off the injured list in more. Mls you know we'll get. We'll get to dc united but yeah. They got some good news this week. After after years of columbus fans wondering will follow. Come to play with his brother. It's not happening in columbus but is happening close enough another very very busy week of soccer. Just so many games I felt like this time around. Things blended a little less together. But there's a lot to talk about. I think that One of the things that the as the playoff start to approach like like the. it's permissive. Enough that there are very few teams are like actually clearly out of it back. You know you're starting to see teams attempt to reach their form and and some of those teams you know. We joked about it last week but people get you talking about. I was gonna say andrew question for you. Which do teams would you say most consistent in the best if you pick one for each conference really only two teams have looked at consistently good and who are they seattle sounders yom are have both led the way both head on good wins the last two weeks or last week. I don't know nobody knows what we is. What time it is on. Now have the i. Now have the rhythm of what's happening with matchdays on the midweek and on the weekend for. Mls down talking about them. I feel like one week is two weeks which is true. Yes but both had three times. Unfortunately josie his picked up a knock. I think But there were two that four to five weeks following hints injury injuries. So i don't think you know depending on what happens to the playoffs. It'll it'll be another third of so. In other words. He might be ready to come on for twenty minutes in the final. I've never heard this happened before as a a twenty plot point this is. This is never been a josie josie josie putting through injury in the playoffs has never been a plot point before that's got that we're mixing it up all like for the past seven months about the you know what is the new normal and some things just are always true. Which is you can always count on seattle and toronto in an mls. Final and josie altidore probably not being match fit probably coming on anyway and probably scoring a goal. But the lessons playing the hits. I'm like i think legitimately and i think this will become clear what we want to get through the again because of the widened field and because there are so many teams the cats with back and forth in terms of form. This is going to be among like the The harder playoffs to predict like a. There's we're well in. We're well in a position where we could see some really surprising. Teams go deep before seattle toronto file. It's true which which that's the really crazy thing to me is because if that final does happen it will be even more remarkable given the fact that i mean just about every single team in the league makes it into the playoffs anyway and there's been so many games so many fitness issues like there's a million things that could happen between now in that final game. I felt it gets going on so definitely. There's so many things that could happen. And and we've seen both seattle in toronto get beaten so we know that. That's a very real possibility in the playoffs. As well with that. I with the first game between Toronto in philadelphia I felt that that was kind of like the two one win. I thought that was a real. Like playoff test will playoff takes tests in some ways. Because you two teams that i really think could be each other down the road. You had toronto c. Which has last year flasher moves but philadelphia. Which is director. What's trying to their best to To find a way forward. And then the batch with a new england was in. I don't know what you call the ship in this case if it's the if it's the supporters shield It's a classic it felt to me like a classic title season title winning season win where it's like toronto. Fc never really had to get into gear really But like they just got fortunate and it never was an issue for them. because you had the You had that one you know. I can all scores the first goal. But it's like you know the the commentators like is that a foul foul straight her. Yeah yeah. I love it toronto. These like checkout that power. And i'm like. I sure as like for twenty year old kid. That's some great upper body strength it's also super afoul but yeah and then and then New england miss the penalty was given up after delgado crunched on delgado up fouled win and still got crunched by which sucks but rams fans were bad. That leeann who i think was approaching a milestone wasn't allowed to take then eventually that ended up becoming very true after books. Put it over. Yeah i mean. I just switch gears for a moment but while we're talking about i feel like new. England was one of the teams that i wanted to pay a little bit more attention to this week. Just in terms of what. I was watching and paying attention to because they've kind of feel like flown under everyone's radar a bit but have been quietly quite decent We don't have the same comparison of last year when bruce arena took over and really overnight. Kind of turn them into a good team from being pretty woeful and win has really slotted in nicely back into his role there But yes it feels. Like new england still missing one or two pieces to really make them A huge threat but cheer point about toronto is i really do like the combination of these two games. The philly game which i thought was great. Do you about it. Mainly because i'm not used to watching two teams in the same conference play a really good game of soccer against each other. Where like all of their passes were finding. Teammate was end to end but not because of mistakes and like they were defending and attacking well but philly philadelphia just felt like never quite had that lethal final touch thought. The first forty five was really well contested by both teams and then toronto just ran away with it. And that's the reason why toronto always ends up in the position. They put themselves in is because they they just worked so tirelessly. I mean the The culture that the vani is brought to the club. I think is is really great. And you mentioned philadelphia kind of preferring their direct game. I think at points it worked for them. And you see how playing a fairly simple Style of soccer really does work well for philadelphia and the direct attack may be doesn't quite always come off but it does make it very hard to score against them because they're a compact team. They're very well organized. Tronto was still able to do it. And then as you say just kind of polishing off this new england game. I mean that's what championship teams do right is they. They locked the back door and they get stuck in the grind out one nil victories. I loved in the philadelphia game. That monteiro basically was like i am going to hit a powerful shot from forty five yards. And i'm gonna do it four or five times. It's going to happen eventually. Maybe not now actually well in montero's kind of the i feel like the one exception for philadelphia where he really like when they're when you see the build up play and you can. It feels a bit predictable. Like it's very it is very direct All right and then they're gonna put it out to the wing and then the the slow cross will come in and they will be two players in the box ready to find it. They beat a lot of teams because teams are very bad at marking that kind of kind of direct style but toronto was able to do it. But yeah montero. I think brings a bit of just something different. Where you he's not directly don't necessarily know who's going to be kicking even if they don't come off. It's six or seven players that have signed trump were angeles philadelphia's. I thought that echoes goal. This game was truly impressive. Terms is is header that hits blake and spills. I'm i disease. I don't think that you could miss a the the second toronto goal puzzle. Oh it's very extremely unmarked on the far post. But i guess everybody was planning to go. I guess the ball does go towards the middle than sort of dances free. Yeah i mean it's still. I felt like philadelphia kind of lost their concentration in in the last like twenty thirty minutes of the game it. It's still a mistake. It's still one that i think Jim curtain will be wanting back it. It it's just it's crazy to me. The player lock puzzle alot can be unmarked in the box at any stage in any game especially against team like philadelphia where they're usually pretty good on those types of plays but it just to your comment around it feeling like a playoff game. I really felt like between the two teams are both good but one team is very ready for the playoffs. And the other team probably needs to dig a bit deeper and get into their their real the dominating mood moore's law will really save a pet is a think that As good as the scoring by committee is on. They have to act with casper. chicago The the union looked dangerous at times But not a lot. In in that i saw did bilko pop up. What's yeah. i think. The toronto game was a rare not so great performance from par performance from brenden aaronson Game against cincinnati seem to have no issues at all but Yeah he was kind of uncharacteristically quiet during the the toronto game and it looks like he's actually probably headed off to Salzburg to the red bulls. Well that's awesome. He's he's playing the season. Yes but will you know. I hope that that he is able to make something of that in his In his final going for seattle on the other side of the thing and the other side of a this this this final that we have imagined from from real events hadn't they had they were able to really turn it on a heat streak hoover after the the first half you. This'll be a. This'll be something that we hear about from vancouver again but any a pretty even first half they were able to really open the floodgates in a period of about twelve minutes scoring twice getting on goal Big hoover made vancouver. Dan got a red card really in you know we can talk about. This is well this game later but often they settled seattle kim again. Kenny be can't count right ray. Rate began cal and then cavill Malini tanakh dribbling. He got a second second yellow but cavallina got yellow card accumulation right which gets on from the earthquake game but turns of more later seattle's performance was one that i have to bid Good tight really. Take the ability to put a team away endured very quickly. yeah. I i was really surprised. The first half was as close as it was. Felt like seattle didn't look as sharp as they normally do. And just the briefest. Little window of time. I was like oh well. If they're having an off night like we could maybe squeak dry out of this but as battle so often tends to do is once. They find their rhythm. It's kind of over for whoever they're playing And why the whitecaps fan right now. You dredd this kind of match. Seattle is i mean at least five times the team. We are in just about every area on the pitch so for me. This was never a question of. Hey maybe we can win this one. It's like how bad will it be and it turns out not terrible A very very fortuitous. Pay penalty call to give us a goal which i think. The sounders fans are rightly aggrieved at but as i said during the game mosaic. This one come on. Look we are not. We're clearly not going to get a shot on goal any other ways three lunch up. You're right it's not a foul not even close whatever retainment compare a prepares well that sort of like Two shots on target for the weekends to say to three shots. Three shots totaled at twenty. Two for the sounders. What a night out. Compare that as you say maybe even giving the white cap too much the first half To how they handled ara sal. Which is you know they have this this goldie score early which is a great little move on world champion. The area brewed For jordan morris leader in the second half game mark scores ahead off of is wide. Open doing so. Off of a freekick from darrow. Really holding control of the whole time knew who scores the the ogle's did they even spotted to their opponents. But yeah yeah this this game from us. A real highlight of just where seattle is that. And you know. I think usually probably people would say you know our s. l. doesn't really stand much of a chance there. I thought our cell played a great game for the most part. I thought they did a lot of things. Well and i was really surprised that it was so close. But you're right in terms of it really kind of in seattle's control for most of it. The the few chances are s. l. Got kind of half chances and they had to do a lot of defending. I was pretty happy with the way our l. defended but it comes down to two errors. Just not being quick enough on the ball. The first goal is one of those ones where it's like. Maybe somebody can get out a little faster may be. Somebody should be marking jordan morris. A little tighter jordan morris is going to go where he wants to go is very hard to mark and the shot is just such a a deft piece of spreaker ship. Striker them That i it was thoroughly deserved. And really the only from seattle as this own-goal where new who's coming charging in on a cross that admittedly from his angle probably doesn't look like it's gonna fly through the box but really a ball that when you're running as when you're centreback running towards your own goal to block across like you've gotta be really a lot more sure footed just sliding in hoping to make contact with the ball is how you score known goal And that happened but for rss side. I thought they played a pretty good game and overall looked to be a much stronger side this season but was a great example of how seattle regardless of the type of team. They're playing always just seemed to be in control of the we mentioned got solid. Glade miami the top they had after that first goal The first game where. Elaine was able to find the net. They had another match where that was fully goals. All in the first half Were they were not able to find joy when they lost three two to new york city with city scoring a goal lewis. Morgan draws comeback. Course another lewis. Morgan back But eventually they were this week. He gives to york red bulls able to not only beat new york but Eguaveon gut that first goal. I gotta push alert about it. Of course amyloidosis thirsty for this but They were able to break through his rebels. Yeah and i felt like last week. My criticism of miami was just looking very frail defensively and in midfield as well and that. I thought the did much much better in this game. Granted against an opponent has looked pretty frail fence and midfield at times. But this we haven't seen too many games with inter miami where all the pieces come together and you're like yes the team that it looks like they were building in full effect because so many weeks where it just hasn't quite come off But you've got you know. I'm pellegrini draws level. The red bulls score. I in this game in a goal that looked kind of side to me but the red bulls showing some fight. Not long after that Pellegrini levels it and then going gets the final word end with this just filthy free-kick which is a good distance. But just i mean as far as free kicks go by as perfect as as one can place one with the power the bend on it Gets himself off the mark. And so we're miami has been slow to have their their high performance players perform to their full levels. I think things look pretty good for them. If ecuadorans able to to continue his form. I saw the the goal line clearance early in this from blazers. Eighty yeah and thought he was an afterthought in the deal despite being you know a very major player in his own right The certain one of the you'll you'll see when somebody gets signed the mls that a teammate of their pops up as well but when i saw that goal line clearance in some other work that he was able to do. It's just like what if this is the real get. Oh it and i would argue. It is like as we've talked about with the nashville expansion sides. That build a really strong backline. I think fair pretty well because you can wait for the goal scoring stuff to come. We've seen that with teams before one of our biggest criticisms with our beloved whitecaps is look. If you're not goals you're not scoring goals but holy crap. Lock it up at the back. Like bill team defensively first and then lawrence teams. I mean we saw that money out front for any number of years and hope for that ever really workout. So yeah i think match really is is the get. Certainly certainly if you're trying to find a way to make your your star signing feel at home If you can prize another player out of you. I midfield You may as well This was also the first This was also the first game for gerhard strugar. The new york rebels manager. Who they. I paid a fee to get off of barnsley from championship right and not a not a great debut for him. I mean. yeah for me. The i wish. I had more to say about the red bulls. I feel like. I've been trying all season to come up with something more interesting to say about them. Really trying to give them a fair shake but you know watching them play. We can week out. I've yet to really see an entire game of a complete performance from them. Even some of the games they've won and it it's he's got his work cut out there. It's baffling to me the talent that they have on the field how it's it's just not resulting in the final product. But you know we had this conversation last season in the offseason about like you know new york red bulls getting rid of all their best players turns out that really did hurt them off their neighbors. A new york city after beating miami Went on to put dc united in the ground Four one A a a match are really weird. Game cares. dc gives up the penalty like in the second minute It seems really soft and then it almost feels like they get spotted one. Oh absolutely okay. We need yeah. I call on julian grassle like it's an arm in the back but it's like such is such a soft call very very frustrating especially so early game and then it's drew fisher. I believe was the the referee in this game after after double check that but like almost immediately goes and calls a penalty on the other end which is again incredibly soft. So you have the game start with do penalty and that second one. It's like bill have need like get a hand on it and but can't stop it from going into the goal all this and that scores that right for new york city i think so and then no jewish roddy right but but cassiano scores the first. Pk and then he drew and then he gives up the second. Pk right oh yes and then to shruti scores the third pk because there were three penalties in this game. Oh my god. That's just a normal thing in soccer three penalties but only one of them was a penalty. Yeah sure right. We're right so you had these two penalties and then in the third you would get confused because there were three penalties in the span of three of the different. If if that had been saved as it was you know they go through halftime on one and then even even before the goals started to come again it was. They were just giving way too much. I think to To new york in terms of opportunities you know if like a real shooting gallery much like seattle. They exploded for three second half well. And i really don't know where things quite went wrong for decent because i get the d- don't have rooney and the they've they've lost some really key pieces of their squad and like they've done a good job of bringing in players as well but they're defending just looks so frantic and it's like i know that there's been times where we've seen that but i i really kind of you know and i knew that dc was not having a good season. I sort of scratch my head as to how they ended up in this position In what would prove to bengal since final game with them as head coach To say this. But i kind of feel that they more than i. I don't know you save more. The really team lots of teams would be impacted by the pandemic. But if you're if you're looking at a team that made two acquisitions it really wanted to sort of integrated the team. And then had the season cancelled two games him. If you're looking at a team that winced games targeting played again Took a lot a number of injuries to key players Not to say that it hasn't been tough. And it's been top rentals and before and Fisher but yeah. I mean paul. Areolas is arguably their best player. And he's out injured for the season. So stephen cooper on reported after after they failed to win a game with rudy in the playoffs. also was almost Fire last year. So he's kind of on the A little bit on the chopping block. Yeah and i've been glad to see. Most of the reaction is gratitude to benson's incredible tenure there and also a. It's time to move on and you can also be kinda sad that things didn't work out better in that. It's the end of an era. I mean the stat is incredible. Seventy one point one percent of dc united games and mls. Ben olsen was either playing or coaching. That's that would be absurd if it was a new expansion team. The fact that it's dc united crazy to me. I don't know if you count. I don't know what you count in terms of one club. A one club player Whether or not. His is brief stint at nottingham forest would would preclude him from that but i also think he was on loan so you never left. He never left the organization tactically And if you look at it that way it's like what the a he has essentially been with the team since ninety eight He was a player. He hears that fears player there. He retired in In october of two thousand nine it was hired as an assistant. January was head coaching By august of twenty ten in it is just. It's not sort of like a sir. Alex ferguson multiple decades decades day but in the modern world of pro sports. What is in It's i think the wreck. The current record is verbis who has one more year on. I it is currently still there. Peter vermes curtly In kansas city he has been a mainstay in. Mls both for you know. Playing coaching giving wild quotes. And the if you look at the erez that he's Road through In terms of them getting out feel getting wayne rooney have some truly awful seasons and then masterminding decent turnarounds and still winning trophies It's been quite the ride. Certainly has been. Yeah yeah i mean it's it's definitely a little little sad. We always like to to see the the long standing Players and coaches stick around but he will be staying with the organization. Which i think is interesting in like pretty unprecedented to like. Lose your job. I mean there's very few times when a decided to mutually partways or mutually decided to part ways is actually true and not just code for firing but to be like. It's time to move on but also you will have some role within the club. So i i think that that's that's good to to acknowledge that you know. There's it's fair to say. Dc kind of is ben olsen. But yeah they probably need to move on from that. However you don't want to just throw away that experience and insight into your team and and vision and as you said like it's not like it's been easy for him. He's he's had very up and down seasons with them but that that's a huge amount of experience that you have to see the good the bad and the ugly of your team. I have a hot take the organized this thing in your reservation thing to hear it. I'd love to hear it forty. Three's little early to retire from club. Aspirin hasn't i. I mean. I don't think i think that. As long as he wants to work there he should be able to work there and in in certainly Other than the forest deep. He's never looked at risk of ending up anywhere else. But you know where he. He's needed red bulls man. Well i guess eastern conference rival the he would never he would never because he's one of he wouldn't he wouldn't ever there are. There are great. There's a great piece. I want to say last here. about how. The dc rebels rivalry his has slowly receded from view. But but but from the people who are. Where's the law. But of the people who remember it's still burns in the fire of their Burn through the fire. Their souls that roundworm yet. So i don't think he would ever do that. I don't think you'd end dea. The position was up anyway but That would that. Would that would have been funny if it would've if it would've happened. I think i think he could still he. He still has managing in absolutely. And i don't know of. I don't know if this is scenario where you see as mls. Every coach is going to have bad years. Like i get the decision absolutely but like you know the the winningest coaches and mls have still had multiple years where their teams are terrible. Like you stick around long enough and mls you're gonna have a terrible. Unfortunately instead of at his biggest eight the ninety nine copy before it was manager. It's the order. Time not to the city taking lana but it'll be interesting to see what comes next for dc in and how they continue to move into a new era. We are constantly talking about the being in a new era. But it's clear that as you know as important as the arrival of wayne rooney and the opening of audi field was that year. It's like this is the hinge point. It all she'll slunk back. Yeah you're right. And i mean they're they're academy hasn't been cranking out tons of players and it was a well regarded academy but we've yet to see that the pipeline develop as much as as with some other teams. So there's significant work to do with this organization. I mean the good thing is got the stadium out of the way so and and got some attention their way because of the rooney's signing there a little bit profile for you know probably some bigger names than they might have been before but i think it is a bigger turning point in many ways. They have a huge decisions to make. About which way they want to go with their. And i'm very curious to see who ends up. Being on their their shortlist of choices for coach. Some big results around the league montreal squeezed out a very controversial win against columbus For me it was kind of like an unfortunate result from a really good this crappy game that i felt like if if it was just allowed to play. Probably it's a one. One draw may be one team is able to take all three points from it but it. It's just it's not a penalty and the fact that it's called is not a penalty and then var says no. It's a clear and obvious error. And then they rescind that decision. I it's just. It's so like nerve jangling when var is used to overturn the correct call on the pitch You know have a hot take do it. It was the right. 'cau- they consist the commentators tried to essentially paint Bojan as As backing into the foul. But i don't think that that is important. He still gets pushed over in the penalty area if you if you wonder if it is his fault that he gets pushed over the penny routier if you have you wonder whether or not the attacker intended to push it over in the penalty area I think the certainly the part of the critique of far has been on that it slows everything down to slow motion in in takes a little bit out of the of of the context of things when you're looking at it that way but certainly you're looking at it in slow motion gets pushed over from behind mccarthy. I will give you this much rather than do the typical sports thing of just arbitrarily disagreeing with you. I think i need to see it again to my eyes when i watched it it looks very soft and i think boy van is going over. I think he does get a little push. And i think he's looking for that penalty the whole way and to me. That's a finer line. Maybe that's where compromise compromises. It's a fine line of whether it's a penalty or not when a player on the attacking player knows it's going to happen is looking for the contact and waiting to go over. I mean he. He does back into the player and the player extends his arm and pushes him. But from me boyens going over when that happens like he's already a bit off centered if it was the if there was like feet on feet and there is like tripping going on a bit but for me. It's just it's it's like you're to not be able to touch a player in the penalty box. I mean if echinacea can straight magai and score than i feel like you as a defender should be allowed to use your arms a bit and we've seen penalties where there's a lot more pushing going on and the penalties so i guess for me i'm i'm just like if it seems rather soft and if this is a pk then i feel like there should be ten others. That were called the season. But what else is new it. It is concerning the major talking point here should be columbus as a team that a few weeks ago had conceded. Two goals in the season is now starting to to give them up at not an alarming rate. It's still a pretty good Goal difference for them but Huge win for montreal and you can sense kill importers frustration and and maybe certain to get a little bit unsettled with his is pretty impenetrable. You look at that. First goal to i think this is is less. I think it says less about compass on a whole than it does about. You know montreal is a team right now. That needed some good news and had this this first one where they it's like there i think it's like the columbus defender like obviously ham balls but bounces back to a player who scores which i think is like to columbus benefit in the long run because had had the goal knock on in then it would have been a denial of an obvious goalscoring opportunity. The player have been sent off. Yeah i had a bit. I had one of those like brain splitting moments. Mike okay speak on a handball. But the balkan back afterwards but he scored it so we split the difference and allow the goal or do we call it back from the point like just almost got the allegations that one. But i'm very fine with just being like yes. It's a handball but he scores the goal. It's the gulf stand. Weird is it is i guess. It's not a denial of an obvious goalscoring opportunity if the goal was scored right. Yeah and that's the thing i'm like. Well which goal talking about. We're talking about the goal that would have been scored had it not his his hand or the goal that was scored after it is. The goal is simultaneously scored. And we don't know adila open. The box analyzes schrodinger goal i. It's both scored and not scored at the same time man. But it was great for montreal. Said you don't know what you're going to get with montreal. And their total chaos team. But it's a good win for them. And i'm glad 'cause i wanna see cherry on stick around for mls and he certainly seems more comfortable with with this team in with this league so i was glad to see them win. An overall you know montreal yes can certainly be chaos at times but they're fun to watch That they really dot times have such a fun. Never say die attitude of just like. Hey guys. I don't know maybe we could win this game. Let's all run at the other team and see what happens. Can i can. I just hit you with montreal. Goals scored by number eighty seven erwin schrodinger limit. I you're right about that. Run forward and see what happens. Metality in i think also guest artists scored with his chin in this game. Yeah that one. That one i i was like. Oh is that a handball. That's very high. But it just like the chimney like pinballs around off defenders and then comes off his chin for what is probably the strangest gore goal hill score Elsewhere in the league houston got a huge result in the texas rivalry They want to nothing over dallas. I thought this was a massive massive thing for houston especially after trading at least the way they also brought in a replacement toot sweet. The to darwin's came big darwin. Quintero gotta goal. Darwin seren goal. They also got a guy sent off for terrible tackle so you know winning a game against two rival being a man down dallas has been very good especially defensively I thought this was a really big statement of intent from houston and shows that they're far from out of it. They certainly can look weak at times but this for me was a great game and also say to. There's a lot of my notes. I was looking through and i was like. There's a lot of like that's not a penalty that's just stupid. I thought it was a great a well. Reffed game which with l. Faith is something that doesn't always happen but i thought he was going to say i. Yeah that's that's high. Praise going for for israel fan but i. I thought that he did a good job. He let the teams play. The red card was a very easy call to make Indefinitely the right one And believe that was far checked as well. I think it was a yellow to begin with so it all worked out. Well i think it's important to note the boring times are when all the calls for the most part are good and things are well. You don't talk about those ones. So i throw that one in there. That is an interesting point. You know we were so we. We overlooked so many So many times though the easy ones that if you head this week a needle drought he nashville. Minnesota another male between atlanta and orlando. Was there any from the previous match. Daily was there was a nobel between new england and national the previous match. Yeah least least you had la galaxy vs portland timbers. Where their goals in that game too. I think there is a soaked up. All the goal. I that's my it was nice of nashville into orlando and atlanta to gift. All of their goals to la galaxy in portland for their game. Nine goal rackham stockham boppers just while sane. Yeah i'd rather like honestly this. I watched the highlights to this game twice. 'cause just desperately trying to come up with some other note than just lake shake header emoji. Okay so in the movie a movie snatch air. Boris the pool dodger has definitely been shot. But dennis farina's character is in desperate characters trying to figure out the situation and boris screams adam. I'm not dead yet. For rita's character shoots two more times and then he said i'm still not dead shoots him again. I feel that this was kind of the rhythm of this game in which in which which was established. A two-goal cushion in the in in the course of the ensuing game conceded. Three goals. in your never. Guess what happens next. 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Second or third from outside the area third right. Yeah and he's a great little. Turn not wanna go. That is a great goal. What what what can you really do about it The other two. I thought were pretty soft. And it's just it's really. It's got to be a little alarming for several. Say that at this point. Portland is still just giving up multiple goals per game. That just seem easy That being said the fact that they're able to just score goals at will it seems and pylons so many is good however a six three win might sound good but when you think about the playoffs coming up and being that leaky at the back i feel like you have to have some other strategy than just outscore the other team regardless of how many goals have been scored up to that point you. They've got the really need to tighten things up at the back. I felt like steve clarke had really uncharacteristically poor performance. There's two that. I thought he just didn't seem to know where the ball was coming from. And i don't know if it was maybe a bit of miscommunication with defenders but just looked kind of shaky and out of it. But i mean what even say about the galaxy in this game yeah. It's i agree with you that you have to think of it as as a requirement to be tighter defensively. You have to think that most times if you're going to be giving up three goals to the galaxy that you're not gonna win the game. It helps to store twice that. I guess this is. This is the don't use if you could just could just swim in goals like this you. I think that in some cases it is a defensive lapse with that first goal more. I hit a lot of time to about seven yards out to score it on the fourteenth minute. The second from a bogus. He comes from a free kick which i wonder whereby push alert was for that the I thought the this third portland goal and extreme knowledge. Not a goal. There's this tremendous of portland goal likelier. It's did his it bounces off of molly autists torso i. It has to be cleared again. Which was which was very messy defensively for portland but in terms of like diagnosing things with the attack. Diagnoses the defense of la. It's like valeri scores. This goal where he is at a diagonal and facing away from the goal instill Chip in. I don't know you know what you have done about that situation. No it's true. I think that at least two of portland schools are goals. That would've beat anybody so in fairness to la. There's that but they just look a complete mess. And i mean for for a brief little window. There looked like things. Were gonna come together for them and really looked like a different squad in terms of mentality and and defensive ability but boy that seemed to be thing of the past This week a the fifth one for portland one we can really look at. La's defense would be like. Ooh ooh yeah. And it kind of reminds me of cincinnati. At times. we've got like eight players all clumped together with a swarm of opponents surrounding them. And you've got eight players watching the guy with the ball. It's like that is not do. You wanna maybe look at where the ball might be going next. No okay all right right. No problem that allowing free headers in the box if there was a twenty twenty. Mls defense in one line. It's free headers in the box. This year just got one for philadelphia. This week is just insane. Like you've got these big tall guys just waiting and there'll be a defender on either side and then they'll just look up and watch them headed in. So what are you gonna do. It's true and that was after you know. I completely missed the fact that they also lost to the galaxy. Also lost to san jose right. Yeah that was a san. Jose started the beginning of their fortunes. Changing really came in at a very strong performance against l. a. and the nfc. It'd be both that's right beadle. Afc decided why not will We'll complete the la sweet hearbeat galaxy and then went on to tear vancouver whitecaps for three goals unanswered just like gold times. I see this is where the this is where the the The trick is is the is continuously been thinking of them. Not much changed in the interim but it's like all their form is so terrible. They lost five one. They lost heaven one or whatever. It was five. Nothing you hope in the in the situation that Vancouver finds themselves if you've got to have teams if you two teams that both are giving up five one six one scorelines. It may be. This is your opportunity to get a result. The seven one loss to seattle takes on loss to portland five five. Nothing lost a colorado. But if you think about it. Now san jose won their last three. I certainly. It was another really frustrating. One for coober. Where again like the seattle game day. The whole the i put again. This is a team. Where if you before this little hot. Run the him going. It's like you think this is. If bankers having a rough season you can at least have two teams that are on the same level of rough das. Go out in the most that they're able to make out of this you know is I think fifty. It's like forty one percent possession or something in the first half ads like they are not as patsy fin earlier in the season. Creating no chances but i don't think anything specific like a very special in the first and then this just terrible secrets in the in on trying to find where the red cards plural in the goals all lineup. But it's rose. I for a second yellow. I believe rate yes. He's pulling the arms no Been scores i t's he's got time to to in. I think that learn things. That i noticed about vancouver here is how it's like. They're combating san jose's main market system by marking domain at all In terms of the opposite of men marking right in in terms of like you know the fans have to stay. Both several vendors have to stay in the center right in their bolted to the place. It's like they're bolted to where they think they've been told they should be. They give espinosa lots of time to turnaround for the first goal. And then dan it's rose getting set off the second yellow And then the second goal frahm all right vero. I had it written in my notice. Fiero plays into andy riaz who acres of space between the cap's defence the midfielder again with this issue at it. There are two perfect lines. The whitecaps are form in one fired. Six yard line and one just Just like just about the top of the box much room in between those do. There's there seems forever. Be a disconnect between the back line in the midfield that whether it's defending or going forward it it just everybody seems to be on a on a different page. It was really really weak. Performance from the whitecaps yes. The refereeing wasn't fantastic. Eric got sent-off that red card has been rescinded. Let's not pretend that. This game was lost because of referee was game loss because the whitecaps are terrible right now and there. There is really nothing in this performance. Amini you had to feel the three one loss to seattle was somewhat inevitable. We're gifted a penalty with took it. That's that's great. That's something at least but you want anytime you're getting something like we can't even improve over that performance. Then we go to a team that we should have at least had a chance against. I thought we were going to lose this game as well but To to just kind of you know. I want to say capitulate college. I think it's disrespectful to the players that are flying literally risking their lives to play a sport for entertainment but it. It's just it's bad you know and unfortunately my conclusion that i keep coming back to just that. They're just not a good enough quality side. I don't think that there's a a coach in the world that could come in and get a lot more out of this current team. There's definitely tons of factors. Don't think it's a simple matter of anything of as to why any team is struggling this year but it it was to another just really disappointing. Set of games from the whitecaps with virtually nothing to redeem them. You can you can maybe look at it. I'm trying to find who had the quote that For marco santos where he says i'm not able to get the pressing the way that i want them to And that's a problem. Which which which like. I think that the more. I kind of look at it. It's a economist. To the disconnect. Are these wonderful plans that continue to be made for for dealing with teams on that can't be executed by the players on. And i want data in the would think using union radically simple data four in the second edition so like player. Quality is not necessarily the issue. Well researcher sorry sorry. It's a his ability to teach his ideas to two two players. Have the ability to execute. Him is not necessarily the issue shirt. No i agree. It is also like he picked these players right. I get it but at the same time. It's like well what's the answer here. Like what's the way forward. I mean i get that you getting a practice. Getting practice. time with the whole team is a very difficult thing to do. I get that there's a lot going on but it just there's so many different individual and collective parts that don't work. It's very hard for me to accept that it's not a census fault because there's so many for all the little pieces that are going wrong. I mean an incredibly difficult job to do but the club is his at this point. He's completely remade in his image and were were worse now than we were before. So i mean i'm not gonna say that like he hasn't brought in better players in some positions but overall it. When you see are starting eleven. Even when we've got everybody fully healthy. You put against just about any other team in emma last and you just look at it and you go. We still feel kind of be squad. We don't have a proper full starting eleven of strong like players who are going to perform consistently. There's so many question marks every almost every single player and it's not that they're bad it's just that they're not good enough and the level that they're playing at is not high enough for this league and the story the the last thing i just wanna squeeze into the remarkable part to me is the players that are coming to the games consistently performing better if not you know. Overall great are draft picks and academy products. For the most part. I agree that also limit. Clear that the reason why i mentioned that is because the the issue is is your point about the the players get the players. Starting good enough is it but regardless of who's you know quote unquote faulted is. It's clearly not working. And i don't know how many more games when you see you know ben also get fired or you see the people that got fired late in the season last year. It's still a weird. It's still very weird. So i guess you can't i. I still have the tenets of chill soccer in my mind in to be like levelheaded about it. It probably doesn't make sense to fire mark to santos right now like you might as well ride it out till the end of the season. We probably won't make the playoffs and then makes it very easy to let him go and justify that decision and if we do buy some and we get knocked out early you know okay. We can say we met one target. And maybe there's something to build on. I think short short of like it to the playoffs and winning a game to santos's finished. But i think a pragmatic thing to do is let him finish out the season. I mean best case scenario. It's going to take you two months to get a coach in any way so unless you're willing to have his brother take over. You have to fire the entire coaching staff. Basically with mark to santos and it's very hard to replace people right now in canada's even more strangely positioned because it can be very difficult to get the rate work visas for somebody if they're international I think to santos says time is done but it will be the off season when that's meet official unless a miracle happens. Think that's true. I think that now. I guess i don't know if it's it's this year's game or next year's game or what have you but i think that one of the other critiques that you could give is it you. I'm looking at the transfers of who's coming in the summer and maybe seattle rabi. A roman torres was only going to go back to seattle. Maybe you know obviously is. They wanted the sent him out. Were in terms of ex players. Were not gonna resign kamara or or be win. But it's like if you look at you know Columbus getting grant willard for miami Dc getting actually. So you're berg from columbus the defender for emmanuel boteh. It's like you can just get defenders you can. It's it's been challenging. And i know that the location issue was a problem and i know that nobody is is in a great place in terms of revenue but as as challenging as the whitecaps defender issues have been. Nobody is stopping them from going to get. And there's been and there's available that's that's been kind of maddening thing and i really do feel for them in terms like marco santos basically is the scouting department And i get that. That's that's a difficult job to do because not it's not the one. He was hired to do however he is his and to me. It's like are you just looking too far afield for the next big young south american signing. Who's gonna come in and then you can turn around sell at a profit or you not actually looking at pieces. Within the league now in fairness they've been signing academy products and bringing some great players into the team and usually those you can kind of scoff at and be like well. They're not gonna make the first team but they have this year. And you know in terms of baldi samoan. I think times at times repose. Well they've looked better than any of their older counterparts. Those are actually those have been good signings. You know the the success of thomas sowell's another another one until his unfortunate injury so it's it's certainly not a like the whole structure stinks you know. There's little tiny elements working but it ain't much and it really does feel like you know nothing against what marco santos has accomplished. But if you wanna talk about availability of talent in. Mls there's lots of great coaches. You can get a experience. Coaching stop screwing around. Get somebody who with experience into coach team. Mls experience higher bad. The i i think you know it could be. I did this on twitter in other people doing it as getting into the fuck getting into the despondency of thinking alike. Who can we beat right now. And that's that's defeat us thought because we have had good wins this year. But it's like you know we could be cavalry last year so we couldn't even we could even be at the top level of cpr. Free went down there in in. When you start talking like that you know it as other people are doing. It's like you know. I'm completely checked out or whatever i wanna be clear i you know i was. The the howard started has a going. I was looking at old. I was looking at old quotes. That i found a a facebook post march. Eighteenth two thousand nine. Andrew is so pumped on vancouver molest twenty eleven. And in if i go back and i think of that you know that time of of of i seen cloud in in an i experiencing the joy being fan i am clad there is soccer in coober and i don't want the whitecaps to go away or anything it's just in in. I never. I never wanted to come to that when we talk about the challenging nature of supporting the team right now in terms of how haas style at times they have felt too early how they continue to have moves like you know firing the c o in and the continued mishandling of the the issue. Cropped up last year with the the accusations of misconduct. It's i in how that went in terms of what happened with anthony blundell It's really hard to support the specific whitecaps that we have right now but even though it's amazing things can be challenging for teams. It was very challenging for toronto for a long time in this. None of this is watching watches on twitter. There is a little bit of public venting. None of this is is damning overall resolve. It's just hard it is. Yeah yeah no. I mean i think that like there are brighter days ahead for the whitecaps. And it's probably not with many players in our current roster nor with mark de santos leading the team. That's how i feel about it. I think it is gonna take something different and you know i. I felt this way window. Santos was brought in that. It was not giving him enough credit but one of my worries was. I'm tired of pudding. Chances on promising young coaches and hoping youth houston team and youth and the coaching staff is going to to do the trick and mike kind of argument against mar santa's was like yes i know that he's played at some Coached at some very high levels and had some success but they weren't molested. Mls is a different beast. Semesters early better but it is a different beast. He was unproven in. Mos and that was major. Worry is that we were still ask you know taking on a project that may not work out. And i think it's fair to say at this point it hasn't really worked out so it and it's not again like and i really grew to like marco santos and liked his approach and I appreciate having somebody that just really gets soccer and as such a soccer nerd at the head of the club. I love it but you know the press conferences have gotten kinda rough where you know. He's he's very cagey and defensive. Before anybody's even asked a question and when he's asked a pointed question about something that's a real concern kind of acting a bit baffled than it's it's the same as this body language on on the touchline when his team gets scored against and he's there with the coaching staff and they also stand up there looking at each other and scratching their heads. And it's come on guys. This is this basic set piece defending here. Like why are you. Why are you so confused. About what just happened like an. I mean that being said i story short is just because you said it's because you drew it out front office as well other now going. Well that's great. That's the that's the history with with wages. Managers isn't it. Is them reacting defensively with win. Things are going poorly to say listen. I'm very smart. This was a good plan. But you still exactly. I get it. It's kind of a circular conversation. What do you say like well trying. I did tell them to do something different. And as you can see. They did not do that thing. But it's the kirk coach of this team. This is what i have to deal with. Sporting kansas city took a couple of wins to one. Nothing against chicago l. a. c. plays. Actually i didn't. I don't see i think had a game rescheduled. Did they not. where were they just yet. L. afc the Cell free one were they. Oh it was rapid galaxy Was the most recent one to get raided. I think i think and you're right. It's the day was supposed to play on wednesday against L. afc and then. Tomorrow's game has been canceled because of the outbreak at the the covid nineteen outbreak. The rapids is continuing With one new confirmed positive case in the rapids playing pool help. We wish everyone well. Hopefully everyone recovers quickly and can get back to playing live in a continued risk that Team phase for it to play is is continuing to be worrying. It's as they move closer closer to the playoffs. You know as bad as the terminal. Was you know you see things like that. You think quite good new into the tournament And you know this is only i think of because there's been a lot of hype recently around Who's gonna win the supporter shield. You know toronto. Fc three points off the pace and it's like what is the point of the supporter ship at this point and now in this the general is unhealthy. But it's like like what are the twenty eighth of order field getting me. Yeah yeah no. It's it's ridiculous. I i mean i get it. We are clearly all in denial. This entire season is like there were three parts and we are just pretending that somehow all the competition was equal. And we're gonna have a playoffs that only eighteen don't participate in. That's totally normal and find good and at the end of it we will say yes. This is the best team in almost like we are all being completely delusional about it for the sake of having a sport. So if you if you don't award the cascadia cup because supporters are not present. I don't see why you award. The supporters shield when most of those games have piped-in supporters. Yeah it feels. It's just weird. It's weird and bad weird and bad speaking of things that were weird and bad the the us l. wondering you're going to segue perfect the us l. has Has find earn on his is issued at six flags ban junior fleming's or phoenix rising exceed for an incident the cropped up essentially right after we got Off the phone call last three. Yeah yeah minutes after. We're we had wrapped up our last episode and post game. Post post game chatter. I just happened to see a tweet about an incident that happened between san diego loyal and phoenix. Rising and i was like doesn't. Us put all the games on youtube. So i went and found the full match kind of went to roughly. When i thought the incident might have occurred and watched just an insane lake. Fifteen minutes on. Fold that i still like. The a lot has happened since but i still really struggled to wrap my head around how it even happened But it was going. There was a really troubling an awful incident in which the junior fleming used a who denies it. He denies it but the club accepts the findings of investigation. Did you use a homophobic remark on the field against colin martin who came when he was playing for minnesota united is gay and the what unfolded in that fifty minutes. Retro time is get Fleming uses what I think he's been identified slaying. Slur and call martz's he just said he just. I used to koestler or something. New referee herb. The word gay at red-carded collared martin. So landon donovan. Fresh from forfeiting lawyers one one draw the previous because of a racial slur used by elegant to member storms onto the field in is basically losing as. I think you know everybody who understood. The secrets must've been to think. How can this be happening in in it has. It has made a lot of news. I'm i'm really glad that the us l. were able to to have an investigation. I think it really bothers me. Still that the player that you know you had the owner of phoenix rising on twitter that night so much so much even as you know you him even as the actual news events of the player being put on hold by the club of the of the coach going on leave Were happening at the same. Time is people's twitter. Timelines were still regurgitating. Sixteen year our old tweets of player statements that they were making the in the middle of the night. So you'd have like the player statement where he says. I didn't say a homophobic slur. I never would say anything like that. And then i think that must have been before d. sportscenter audio leaked where the referee says. Oh i heard a thing that you allege that he said. I just didn't know that it was. I didn't know that it was a slur in. I can't jump to conclusions. Even though i red carded you because i heard you say the word gay. Yeah which is like sort of like also admitting that you're just not good at your job. But i guess that's better than than not i mean. There's so that we could talk about here and i i mean i don't know there's it's really worth getting talk about real quick. Just yeah. the coach. Thing is landon donovan. I feel as he does storm. The field is livid. But i also think he's very controlled in his reactions and that he's trying to separate and he's trying to k he's also he goes onto the pitch to get his players off the pitch. So what makes this slightly different than just a coach running onto the field and honestly if he ran onto the field and just death. I would have been fine with it. But like just the yet he he goes on the pitch pulls his players off. And then he's on the sideline having conversation with the referee and the phoenix. Rising coach explaining what went on. And the the thing about this. That makes it so crazy. Is that the coach. The phoenix rising coach. Whose name is alluding me. But it's shrimp champs. I believe you have that chance. Yeah rick chance like after the game tweeted like oh i. My comments didn't mean this and he was. He was causing this sportscenter video. Telling landon donovan. You know They're just out there trying to compete. You know you're you're causing a scene. Have you ever played soccer before to the the person who holds the us. Men's national team goalscoring record. Well and then. He's kind of like defenses comments because he was like. I didn't like i didn't mean like i wasn't trying to defend this. The use of the slur and say that it was normal to to say Homophobic things in the course of a game. But it's like that clip is from the game. That was all captured. Live the cameramen on the sideline who deserves all kinds of awards and raises for catching it. All clearly captures the entire conversation between the match. Official landon donovan and rick chance. And it's pretty clear in the course of that. That landon donovan. Specifically says he called him gay. He's a gay player and the coach. Just brushes it off. Here's now of a thing. I want to say about that about his specifically about his defense to me it amounts to. I didn't want to say that you were wrong for protesting. Hi was unhappy with the way you did it into me. That defense is is negligible distinction to say to say. I didn't mean to say that he was wrong. It was wrong in the way that he defended. This player is essentially the same thing and given like i think the the focus should really be on the call and martin's response the team's response and landon donovan's response. Which i rightly. Was the thing getting the most attention. Which was you know. This is a a really big important game for san diego loyal but they felt like they didn't do enough to support their player the previous week when a racial slur was used and so they decided as a team that they would take action. They would try to make something more meaningful and actually had planned a moment. I think believing seventy first minute. They were going to stop the game with phoenix rising and take a stand together to company. Could half a another incident happened and they forfeited an incredibly important game. So and the the defense but nothing happened or the you know it was the way. Landon donovan dealt with things. It's like look with this game and could have just said you know what we'll take this and we'll just beat you guys instead and i think like that that was definitely an option available to them and instead said no. We're stopping everything and we like. We just can't do this again. And landon donovan right. Even in his visceral anger on the pitch is clearly saying that everyone like. We're not doing this again. And you know in his his postgame comments is is truly the great Just moments for a soccer coast. He's just i mean he's he's tired he's emotional but also just saying like we missed an opportunity to support one of our players in the game when the incident happened last time so we resolved to not do that again which one we're talking about change and we're talking about meaningful change in an actual accountability to see soccer coach. Get fat and go. We didn't do right by our player so even though it happened to one of our players from another team saying the thing we decided collectively as a team we needed to better support our players and it happened the next week and so they decided to take action. And i mean it's it's been a wild week for for both clubs but one of the things that has resulted from it was a joint statement from both clubs where it was clear that they met and discussed what and rick chance came out with an accountability statement about the steps. He would personally take to better educate himself which were very specific and I think thoughtful and then also for the two clubs to say together. You know they were going to work together to try to make some changes in the league to try to get something good to come out of this really awful moment. aren't thinking. I think you know white. Certainly when you're in landed coveted position you have a a tremendous of when you are essentially like a co founder of the club and a soccer legend in the coach. You have a tremendous amount of privilege to take action in. He is doing it. I think that one of the things is I think key to the way as you say. Look his his statement in the interview that you know of being disappointed. They didn't do it the game. Before it's like d- nature of this protest in. I think the the nature of the issue of what happened to of what would say is like you to actually say like games. Just can't go on like this and this almost in a way like relates to both the issue of mls continuing to play through such a terrible point in the world in the united states. His history on the issue player strikes general and of protests in the states of just being like. Why do you expect that the game will continue. If if if something like this happened why is it. Why is it the understanding that if it does happen what we're supposed to do is like shrug your shoulders and in dot make a big deal out of it. Well and colin martin rightly says in. I don't know if it's the postgame interview in a in a subsequent interview that he did he's like played professionally for a long time and there's always lots of chatter. It's the first time. I've had a homophobic slur directed at me and rightly pointing out this is my workplace and i think that's really key for the very few trolls that came out to voice displeasure. This really impressed with the phoenix. Rising fans very quickly condemning. The player in standing with landon donovan and colin martyn But i mean it's so easy to forget because it's a thing for our entertainment entertainment but this is what they do for a living and they are in a union environment and they are subject to the same rules so it is a big deal. I mean it would have been a big deal anyway but i just. I've immense admiration for colin martyn for for holding himself together. Through all of this and and being so eloquent he would be completely justified to just tell everybody to take a flying leap in Not handle things with grace. It's unfortunate that queer racialized experience Decision continue to half the people to take the high ground in moments like this but again the it felt good to see somebody in the moment. Say no this isn't okay. We're not just going to continue. We're not gonna just brush this off. We actually have to do something about it to me. Feels very significant and you know and there was a lot on the line. They didn't need to forfeit this game but to lend and donovan and the players they couldn't continue and i respect really hits home is personal and you know i know you know the thing happening is something that is infuriating and i think that the idea of like a precedent and two teams even if their second division teams try to move forward of it is just like that is why i think it has battered so much to you and i and a queer fans across north america. Yeah and because it it does feel personal because every time it's just another reminder. You're not welcome here and you know this environment that you thought was for you and is safe isn't in some small way and for that briefest little window time you kind of feel that and you're like all right so if i do wanna stay supporting soccer i i have to withhold some part of my identity because this kind of crap is going to happen but to then see the the reaction from landon donovan from the club From the fan bases from just soccer fans in general. Of course there are people saying stupid shit about it but for the most part actually was like it was nice to see after terrible incident. Be like oh. These people are a small number of people in the wrong here and actually are going to be held to account and people are doing the right thing and recognizing that this is much bigger than a single moment or a single game or even the sport in general and we can. We can decide to go to the other. The big thing for discrimination of all kinds of in the comes from this incident is that i'm sure that the two clubs involved in us l. I learned a lot of lessons throughout the process. I really hope mls. mls clubs. Have their eyes open because this is going to happen in the question is not like when is the next player going to walk off the field. It's like it will happen so you have to like decide what you're going to do for that player in and whether or not you need to force them to walk the that's another part you know when you're talking about anyways we we talked about this before the show where it was like. I mean this this could be the show A lot of looted things for for both of us and for a lot of people. Junior fleming's has been suspended as embattled his whole six. Yes six game suspension. He's been he's been put on. Leave the cloud also said that they are putting him on leave for the remainder of his contract. Which is one more month so that will be his. That will be his right the remainder of his time with the club. That the last thing. I'll say that. I think is important. Is that the coaches response from phoenix. Rising was not great. He acknowledged that response was not great and working with the people involved actually apologized for the specific actions and committed to do something about it. Various specifically and as much as it's really easy to want to write people off and and just be angry about it. And i went there but it's important that we talk about the other side of things which is which is not just every time something awful happens being like will fire one and this is all bad and nothing good will come of this but people will make mistakes but when people can acknowledge those mistakes and work with the people that were harmed to do better and to acknowledge that harm it is meaningful you know and i i have to admit it probably was not a fun thing to have to call call martin and specifically apologize but it was the right thing to do and it was the right thing to mention. The specific ways in which harm was done rather than say well. I didn't mean to do this. And who can say like the language in the apology was unambiguous and that matters. So i'm glad that we can't just talk about like we. We can actually say lessons. Maybe we'll get learned here and the correct actions are being taken because that's an opportunity that's been missed time and time tired completely professional sports who i tell you pretty to colin martin. Grandma it's going to. It's going to be a lot more than just landon. Donovan storming the pitch but big new twenty twenty On event just like no we have got through this This braces to rex to two weeks one week and i think it's like until the end of the season. It's basically get be a whole match date twice a week. Where can we find you online. You can find me online on twitter and instagram at that. So mls you can. Of course find this cast wherever you you get on twitter at base rate w bates dot com and don't to lead cards and until next. Don't get off yet sent. You can log in because who knows what a sending office at the conclusion of a secret split started with somebody else. Getting red card excellent. Yeah people been saying to your friend. 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On the moon nasa has awarded three hundred seventy million dollars to over a dozen companies to deploy technology on the lunar surface while those technologies of course include four g nasa says four g could provide more reliable longer distance communication than the current radio standards that are in place on the moon like the earth like on earth the four g network will eventually be upgraded to five g. Now i wonder if it'll be considered local calling from the moon to your family. Maybe you know if an astronaut on the moon working there on the on moonbase wants to call home unlike not will it be a local call. It's four g network. Maybe probably not probably not a four. G will probably work better on the moon than it does here. It won't have any trees buildings or tv signals to interfere with the four g signal. That's true but it might have gravity to interfere with it. I wonder how that works taking that into along with the when the wreck the rockets will blast off to leave the moon the that causes a huge vibration on the moon's surface but that's also into taken into account for this. They don't want any cell towers to collapse because of that rocket vibration nokia's bell labs was granted. Fourteen point one million dollars for this project. i'd do it for ten million now bell. Labs of course was actually founded by alexander. Graham bell which wake up the name it was for a long time in part of part of. At and t. In two thousand sixteen it became part of finnish company. Nokia interesting well. Google might have a bit of a struggle legally. I'm sure you've heard about this by this time. But the us department of justice has filed antitrust case against google. The doj lawsuit claims that google holds an unlawful and anti competitive position within search. Alleging that the conglomerate has engaged in anticompetitive search and search advertising practices. Google has argued that there is vigorous competition for its different operations waging. I can't help but chuckle. No such thing as vigorous competition for google just just doesn't happen But that's what they're arguing anyway. The lawsuit is the biggest challenge by the united states at the growing power of tech companies in generation comparable to the lawsuit against microsoft filed in nineteen ninety eight. We heard about that. Of course in chris's tech history and the nineteen seventy-four case against at and t. Which led to the aforementioned breakup of the bell system and of course it was microsoft lawsuit that paved the way for other companies like google to now grow now google finds itself in the same exact position that microsoft was allowed them to grow that kind of interesting. The vicious cycle continues. The justice department said that for the sake of american consumers advertisers and all companies. Now reliant on the internet economy. The time has come to stop google's anticompetitive conduct and restore competition because attorney. General bar said that Google has gotten so big that no one can feasibly challenge their dominance in search and advertising of course yet google says they're engaged in vigorous competition e. Yeah ninety percent of searches are google and not to mention. There's there's only a google google google. It is the only verb you don't you people. Don't say yahoo it because that's just stupid because nobody uses oh i say alta vista alta vista. You go boy talking about the old days. I'm dating myself now. You are still have some kind of a search. Probably not probably wouldn't wouldn't be very effective if they did anyway. So that's interesting. We'll have to wait and see what happens. It's going to be long drawn out. No question about that. It's gonna take a while for that to play. Its way through the courts. But we'll see how it goes and do state to and you. And i were talking about before showtime that apple has come in and ruined another lifelong tradition for me good grief classic peanuts. Specials are leaving broadcast tv and moving to apple. Tv just in time for the holidays. Thanks apple that's the thing is every year of my life. Around this time. I would tune in to broadcast. Tv like millions of others to watch. It's a great pumpkin charlie brown. Yeah and this is a tradition. That i continued with my son. And we've watched it every year but you don't subscribe to apple. Tv subscribe so we won't be able to watch it on apple tv issue. Ironically two years ago somebody gave me the dvd collection of all of them. But i don't have a. Dvd player hooked up. I will have to hook a dvd player. So we can still watch it. Because i am not subscribing to plus just to watch this apple tv plus yeah good for you because i would hope you wouldn't have to do that but yeah. They snatched it away from broadcast television fifty four years. It's been on how well times they are changing. Yeah and if you do have apple tv. Plus it'll be available for three days. Starting on october thirtieth only for three days when i saw said are tober. Thirtieth thirty first and november. First salesman basically plays through halloween. That's it yeah but then again broadcast. Tv only had it on one night. So i guess three days a little better. Wow that's interesting. Now that more people have got the hang of zoom. More people might be willing to pay to attend events hosted using zoom. Don't be surprised if you see musicians and comedians cashing in on zoom in the near future. Because that's probably the only way especially with the pandemic that a lot of people can still make some money so if you have a favorite musician or a favourite magician for that matter Or favorite comedian have you. They may be doing a performance via zoom. And they'll charge you for it. There was a guy who i think came in one of the finalists. In one of these cooking shows with Who's a chef. That's always yelling at ramsey gordon. Ramsay him and he was. I don't think he won. But he was one of the finalists young guy and he's been doing. I've seen it coming up on instagram ads. And whatnot and occasional cooking with nick. The guy's name is nick whatever and he's charging people and telling you time you sign up and pay i give you the ingredients and we'll all cook whatever this dishes together now. I think that's a little odd but more power to him because apparently it's working because he's doing several of these and there's an another example of somebody making money by just doing zoom meeting and letting people come in after they've paid and then everybody cooks the same dish together. Well you know. There's a food network. Does a similar thing with their food network kitchen Which apparently they have live like some of the line but they have cooking classes that even on demand that you can watch and cook along with and they charge you for only charge for what it is a year but As a prime member was. I got a notification that i got a free one year subscription to it so i thought this is great because i've gotta the with the screen can move us into my kitchen and do this and cook along with them and that was six months ago and i don't think even done it once i know i haven't even done it once but you don't think you have. Wouldn't you remember if you would think. I would remember him a year but you like to cook. I like to cook. But i guess i don't like it enough to move the thing in there actually cook along with people but there are people that i guess like to do that. Way you mean unplugging your echo show and moving into the kitchen which is about twenty steps away and plugging it in there. It's on wi fi right so it's not a landscape alexa. Move to the kitchen. That would be much better. But i'm sorry. I'm afraid i can't do that. Yeah the only one that over the last year so figured that learned that it's it's harder to get alexa to understand what i'm saying. I mean. I don't think i mumble or or have speech impediments or that have gotten worse or have an accent something. We have friends that. Have such a heavy cuban accent or otherwise that have trouble understanding them. You're listening to into tomorrow with dave grave line quiet. Yeah but i. I never used to have an issue with alexa. And now i find myself having to give commands two or three different times or even screaming at her telling you to shut up because she doesn't understand what i'm saying. Yeah well when you curse her though she does say. I'll take that under advisement or something or i'll let my support team know or think. Today i was watching something on tv. Remember what guess it activated and and. I thought that. I was giving it a bad remark because it says thank you for telling me 'cause i'll be able to improve. I was like. I didn't even say anything there was something on. Tv something on tv. And i guess. She thought that. I was saying i don't like you. Because if he say alexa. You stink or something. It's like giving feedback. So do you say that a lot to your election. I say worse things old.

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"Do not necessarily do what's best for people in San Francisco. But do what's best to stay in the graces of this whole lefty movement rather than trying to work with me as the mayor it's mostly trying to undermine the things that I push forward that would allow the city to move forward and building more housing mayor breed is herself a Democrat and her standoffs with other Democrats is not an anomaly for San Francisco politics. She did as she mentioned, grow up in the city in public housing. Especially at this time I think about it more than anything else growing up in public housing living there over twenty years in sadly feeling hopeless. At times and frustrated, and just upset that the situation would never come to an end and wondering why me why my community, why is my family? In this situation? Why are we pour? Why do we have to always lose somebody? Did you ever come up with a satisfying answer that question not until I start to get a little bit older and start saying education as a way to improve my conditions and so that had a lot to do with friends and teachers, and also my grandmother who really said to me you can do anything you WanNa do you just have to study and work hard? So education is a proven route to. Prosperity and yet cities around the US if you look at what cities generally do well, what they do poorly, one thing that they almost uniform do poorly is public education especially, and it's not for lack of effort or money plainly because plenty of people say they care and plenty of spend billions of dollars on it. Why is it not working still in most cities? I would say that I don't completely know. But I do know that consistently since I was a kid, it has mostly failed African Americans and in particular African American boys there seems to be a real disconnect in terms of treating all kids of different backgrounds. The same in our educational system I do believe that kids learn differently and there's not a one size fits all, and if we see that in our educational system, that one group in particular seems to be the lowest performing and the highest dropout. Rates and the biggest disciplinary issues. Then we need to start to redirect what we do for that particular population differently than what we do for other kids. So I think part of the reason why we fail is because we set up a school system that's everyone is supposed to adjust to. We're not adjusting to the kids and I think that's where we failed because just think about it. I'm mayor and sadly my brothers incarcerated and he never finished high school and I ended up in a completely different situation. During her time in city government, breed his pushed for affordable housing policies that address families like hers people already living in San Francisco. One such policies known as neighborhood preference, which is applied when new housing units are built well, in fact, it was my brainchild. And how does that work? So what the neighborhood preference does is it provides an opportunity to set aside anywhere between twenty five and forty percent depending on the state as well because the state is involved set aside those units in the lottery that would give a preference to people who live in that particular neighborhood within a certain range of the neighborhood as well as the specific district neighborhood preference. Went into effect in two, thousand, sixteen I fought for that legislation with the federal government who initially denied our ability to use it. When we use federal tax credits and subsidies I actually flew to Washington DC at the end of Barack, Obama's administration to get Hud to change their minds. How'd you do that? I talked about my experience of growing up in public housing and what was happening when there? Were promises made to the community that when we build new affordable housing that those opportunities would be made available to them but that did not happen. So for example, we had a lot of seniors in our community Mr Hawkins grew up born and raised was living on the streets for five years and we had situations like that with people from the community and they didn't have a fighting chance without. Some level of preference to get access to this affordable housing, and in fact, he was one of the first I helped fill out the application and he was one of the first residents I'm just I'm so happy for him, and also that's exactly why I fought for it because there's no way he should have lived and died on the streets in the community that he was born and raised in. Even, with housing prices depressed for the moment by the pandemic, the problem hasn't gone away. If. 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If you want to live and work in or near a place where a lot of other people want to live and work, you'll have to pay for the privilege housing markets even though they are more complicated than many other markets still adhere to the laws of supply and demand so. Of the most desirable cities in the US and around the world have been expensive for quite a while in the decades before covid there was this growing affordability problem in many American cities that is Jacob Victor, an urban economist. If you go back to nineteen sixty or nineteen seventy, the typical renter paid some around fifteen sixteen percent of their income in rent. If you look in the most recent data, the median renter is paying more around. Twenty four, twenty, five percent of their income in rent, and in a lot of places you have renters that are paying more than a third and sometimes more than half of their income. Well, cities like New York, and San Francisco, are particularly expensive even when adjusting for the higher wages in those cities, the problem is not confined to superstar cities. When you actually look at the data, the housing affordability problem is more of a nationwide phenomenon. There might be some cities in say the Midwest Great Plains or parts of the south where the housing is less expensive incomes tend to be lower in those regions as well. Victoria teaches at the University of Washington in Seattle, which has had its own affordability crisis. So on the one hand, Amazon has brought fifty thousand high paying jobs to the city and I don't think you could find a city in the world wouldn't love to have fifty thousand high paying jobs just sort of March right in. But. While the prosperity has been great, there have been some downsides. So Seattle's expensive and it's only gotten more expensive over the past few years when a city like Seattle undergoes a big rise in housing demand why can't supply keep up? Adding new houses and apartment buildings clearly isn't so simple but still what are the causes of this failure? So zoning laws are preventing cities from increasing their density. This one obvious 'cause. Once upon a time, you might have read a book when you were a kid where there was a house in the country and then the house was surrounded by other houses, and then eventually the house was surrounded by these tall apartment buildings and there was an elevated train in front. Of It, and all this kind of stuff. The book the door is talking about is the little house by Virginia Lee Burton I. Would recommend it reality has turned out somewhat differently than that book in the later part of the twentieth century what we see is that the little house get surrounded by other single family houses and then it remains surrounded by single family houses. Forever one of the ways to correct the supply problem is to Rezone replan it will permit. Significantly greater density in the city than we have. Historically, that's Dan Doctoroff, a former deputy mayor of. Development in New York City under Michael Bloomberg, we did I think one hundred and forty rezoning during the Bloomberg administration and I think in retrospect we didn't do nearly enough in terms of increasing density. The fact is the more land you make available for housing, the cheaper the land will become, and therefore the less expensive the housing actually should be now the cities that don't do that well, tend to be the most I guess progressive slash liberal slash democratic cities. New York San Francisco and so on. So is that a feature of progressive politics is this kind of high minded? Nimby ISM. With cities also tend to be older cities where there's a lot more historical character and other things that need to be protected. So there clearly is a correlation between permissiveness in terms of land use and the general resistance to government but I think we're GONNA have to get over that with respect to zoning if we're going to solve the affordability problem. Now it's not just about being there's a question of when you re zone and you up zone property who gets the benefit of that up zoning and I think that the typical let's say voter in a big city, the knee-jerk response, and maybe it's one hundred percent correct is the advantage mostly goes to the developers and their friends I think that's been true to be honest and I think we need. To rethink that. Okay. So how do you rethink how do you actually divert a large share of that benefit to the citizens of a city through legislative action? Basically, where you'd say we're GONNA UP ZONE IT. So you can get a lot more density, but the benefit of that will actually to the city. So if we say you could build ten units on a plot and now you can build twenty. Why don't we capture that additional land value largely for affordable housing and so the standard economist might say, well, yeah. But then you're starting to degrade the incentives for developers to build. So can you point me to an example of where that Allen's has been well-struck? Well we have something that we call inclusionary zoning across the country. We did it and Bloomberg Administration, and essentially what that is is developers are incentivized to basically build more affordable housing for the right to build up higher. That's one mechanism, but you know you have to make a distinction between the owners of land and the developers of land if I capture as government the benefit of that up zoning. Then, have the right to go ahead and help to encourage new developers to be more affordable housing. There's lots of mechanisms that we can create. Lots of mechanisms in theory at least but in practice New York hasn't gotten any more affordable since the Bloomberg zoning. Adding, a modest supply of new housing has not proven sufficient. Why not? Well, there are a few historical reasons to consider Jacob to Oregon so. Up until the sixties people will just come in with bulldozers and what had been a low rise neighborhood or a single family neighborhood it will get redeveloped at higher density, Wa Wa instant density meaning more housing supply. But. There's a turning point that we see around the nineteen sixties maybe even into the seventies and you can associate this with what you might call it historic preservation movement. Once you get people standing in front of the bulldozers and saying, you know you can't change the character of this neighborhood. That is when you start to see a inflection point in the trajectory of housing prices. In some of the oldest cities in the US, it is certainly true that every time you have an empowered local homeowners group who says, they don't want this apartment building rising next door they're saying no to outsiders, and that again is Ed Glaser, the dean of urban economists before this era of Housing Incumbency Glazer says the power lay with political machines like the famously corrupt Tammany Hall. In New York. Now, a lot of things that were wrong in the way machines ran things but you had a lot of political entrepreneurs who saw profit in urban growth in urban change and they tended to make that happen whereas what happened over the last fifty years neighborhood learn how to organize. They blocked highway projects they block housing developments and they became very empowered at stopping. Change to be fair. This wasn't the only kind of activism focused on stopping change tenants rights. Groups also promoted rent control with the goal of keeping housing affordable although as we have discussed in an earlier episode called why rent control doesn't work rent control well, it it doesn't work at least not as intended. Yes it is good for the incumbent tenants who get to hang onto their. Departments, but it's bad for the next crop of would-be renters since the incumbents don't move out and it's bad for overall housing supply because if developers and landlords can't make enough profit, it diminishes the incentive to build more apartments except perhaps at the high end, which is what New York, and San Francisco both seen a lot of but there's another historical contributor to high housing prices in cities. The most of us don't know about. Even Jacob Door didn't know about it when he first started studying why cities are so expensive. So I thought that I had was well, this is the story of zoning laws. This is a story of not enough housing being built. Okay. As we've discussed, that is part of the story, but there was more. So this is sort of like a detective story. One of the clues the came in in this mystery was Flint Michigan. And what the data show is that the affordability problem in Flint Michigan is just as bad as it is in San Francisco. And Flint Michigan is not a High Tech Town Flint Michigan is a midwestern rust belt city that has suffered abandonment and has got a high vacancy rate, but still the housing is not affordable unaffordable housing in a city that's best known for not even having drinkable water. That's pretty strange. Then the next clue to come in was I looked at the trends in prices over time for brand new apartments versus old apartments. And it was kinda surprising that the rental rate for a newly constructed apartment unit across the United. States has pretty much tracked inflation, but the price index for older apartment units. That is where you see rents are rising much faster than inflation that too seemed very strange and then came third and final clue this final piece of the puzzle. It's all about the nineteen seventies because housing looks like it's fairly affordable in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, and nineteen seventy but then it really jumps between nineteen, seventy and nineteen eighty. And so you look around and you say, well, what happened in the nineteen seventies that would have made apartments a lot more expensive and the answer is landlord tenant law reforms. To Up until about the mid nineteen seventies in most states when you rented an apartment, you rented it as is, which is to say the landlord didn't guarantee that the heat work the landlord didn't guarantee anything the landlords only obligation was to give you a key quiet enjoyment was the legal standard but in the New laws were passed to protect tenants against uncooperative or unscrupulous landlords. We move to a standard called the warranty of habitability which is to say apartments are no longer rented as is. Now, if you rant housing to someone, the landlord needs to assure that it is up to code that it has functioning heat and electricity and running water all these things for newer apartments whose rents were keeping pace with inflation. This meant changes in construction, but older buildings have a lot of new costs imposed on them to bring things up to code what's happened over time with these additional tenant protections and new regulations about the quality of existing housing units that supply of affordable housing in many cities has really dried up. because. Landlords now have to charge rents high enough that they can defray the costs of keeping the unit up to code, which is creating affordable housing problems. Even in cities that have experienced no population growth. Jacob. Victor was pretty sure. He had solved the mystery of the disappearing affordable housing, but he still had to show causality. Yeah. So to do this study, my co author, Alana, Williams, and I were looking at United States census data. So what we did with the analysis was to compare the trends in states that enacted these laws in the nineteen seventies there was a handful of states. That had a warranty of habitability much earlier in time, and then there are quite a few states that didn't adopt this new standard until much later in other words, a perfect natural experiment, and so that's where we see the smoking gun. We see that the affordability problems really start to hit in the states that adopt this new legal standard at the time that they adopted as a result, old housing became nearly as expensive as new housing. Which means that even as new housing supply came on the market, the cost of housing generally kept climbing and there was a lot of old housing in need of extensive maintenance in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, an estimated twenty, five percent of the rental stock in the US. was considered dilapidated or deteriorating. Now from a humanist perspective, not an economic perspective shouldn't we be cheering the fact the slums were no longer acceptable housing well, a lot of people will tell you that as a society everyone should be entitled to have a home that is safe, decent and affordable. If you go back before the nineteen seventies, we had a lot of housing there was affordable, but it wasn't safer decent because there was no requirement that it be kept up to code. So with the reforms of the nineteen seventies, we moved into a world where the housing was much more likely to be safe in decent. The problem was it wasn't affordable anymore. Because requiring landlords to keep up the housing, they're gonNA pass those costs along to the tenant. So if you think about it, if you want to have all three, if you want housing to be safe decent and affordable, we have to kind of realize that look that costs money. Inexpensive housing whether it's old or new tens to beget more expensive housing in cities. Zoning makes the land expensive when the land is expensive, the housing becomes expensive when the housing is expensive, you need to pay the construction workers a lot so that they can afford housing think about construction workers in Seattle, they're competing for housing against Amazon. Microsoft employees, you can't have your house built in southeast. Asia to take advantage of the lower labour costs the way that you can with your shoes or your clothing it's got to be built on site and it's labor intensive and the Labour is pretty expensive. So you've got high labor costs brought on in part by the high capital costs brought on in part by inefficient zoning. But you may be thinking shouldn't technology be making housing cheaper like it's made everything else cheaper. There's not a whole lot of technological development that has been relevant for the construction industry. We've had some advances in materials, but we're still making houses with the same two by fours that we were making them with fifty years ago but shouldn't productivity be rising in construction the way it's risen in so many other. Sectors construction is probably the industry may be other than government that has had the least amount of productivity improvement over the last three or four decades that again is Dan doctoroff I mean literally there's been almost none doctor off is looking to change that he's CEO of an alphabet subsidiary called sidewalk labs which calls itself an urban innovation company. Its flagship project was a new built from scratch smart city in. TORONTO. We did a previous episode on that too. It is called how to build a smart city. The Toronto product was literally to building New District on the waterfront that would incorporate a whole range of innovations across almost every sort of urban system in mobility and sustainability slash infrastructure buildings, the public round digital infrastructure. So all that sounds pretty promising, but the project didn't happen. We did end up terminating that project in part over economic issues that. Came about as a result of covert but only in part right there was friction with the citizenry or now yeah I mean there was but we'd actually worked our way through the vast majority of it. Most of that friction was over concerns about privacy I mean if I think I'm living in a city that's essentially run by alphabet slash Google I'm thinking about. How. Much of my life is being recorded in acted upon in some way I don't know was that essentially the main objection I think it was an objection I don't think it was a fair objection. I don't think our goal was ever to use, for example, personally identifiable information in almost anything that we did. So I think that became a very convenient reason to attack the project from people who are otherwise opposed to it for lots of different reasons. Overall? Though a large percentage of Torontonians an overwhelming percentage who knew about the project were actually in favor of it at the end of the day, really came down to economics and economics driven primarily by the pandemic. Will we have agreed on a Kreis essentially for the land and in the wake of the pandemic the. Purchase price that we agree to just wasn't feasible. Any more. At the end of the day that was the proximate cause of why we decide to withdraw. A I don't know about you, but it strikes me that if the price of land for new experimental city is too expensive for alphabet. That doesn't bode well for the affordability of cities. In general, Dan doctoroff however is optimised. He's also New Yorker and seeing New York in trouble battered by the pandemic in struggling for decades with housing supply. He believes that what he's been learning at sidewalk labs will ultimately pay off for all of us. Doctoroff says there are big gains to be made in new technologies and productivity. That will make building more affordable going forward. There is a new technology relatively new called mass timber and it uses would which is not a new technology but the way the would is an effect manufactured and Laminated Jazz. It really powerful properties that we think with factory automation can dramatically reduce the cost of construction but at the same time, they're significantly more sustainable than traditional building methods. Think about it as you know Lincoln logs or something like that where you could develop a kit of parts that could then be assembled partially in factory partially on site with dramatically less time and effort and cost hand cost. So we're quite excited about that. Here's another example which we think is really compelling, which is a new technology called digital electricity. It's essentially electricity that is delivered over Ethernet cables. Now, there's a lot of advantages to it. One is it effectively works as sort of communications backbone in the building itself but more importantly, it's much safer than traditional electricity and. As a result, you don't need to put wires and conduit in walls. You can put them in the baseball. Why does that matter? It matters because? That gives you the ability to make buildings a lot more flexible going forward. You can design wall systems that actually don't need wires in them that can be moved more easily. Now, let's take an example of retail. So we know in urban environments this is happening before the pandemic and it's only been accelerated now. That the retail environment is Right that's threats from e commerce. So you know there's a lot of potential new ideas for retail rents probably will be coming down. That's going to be an important thing to encourage new people, but they don't want to enter into long-term lease, which is what landlords typically require. Well. The reason landlords want long-term leases among other things. Renovation costs are so high. So if we can create buildings that are a lot more flexible and digital electricity is a key component to that than you know what maybe what we can do is really help to accelerate the retail revival. I don't know maybe I'm just worn down by the pandemic desperate for any whisper of encouraging news but I find Dan Dr. Offs Construction Techno Fixes and is optimum rather uplifting. It is a hallmark of humans that we like to complain but. 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Who says there needs to be a wrestling match to see who gets people, which is Igwe. Nickname or better rico grades they. WHO GETS Igwe. Could you narrow it down a little bit. They're all. PTO RIGHT RIGHT YEA. Go I feel like is also that's gotta be like I'm sure he basically was like. By a coffee once in a while like he can't be going on a huge wage there. I. Don't think I. Think. So right was it was I think again thing they're. Inscribed as small allegation. Which base money of future past which DC needed because they just sent some to Kansas City for international spots. They could break somebody off the injured list. In, more mls you know we'll get, we'll get to D C united but. But but yeah, they got some good news this week after after years of Columbus fans. Wondering will all come to play with his brother? It's not happening at Columbus, but this habit of. Close enough. Another, very, very busy week of soccer just so many games. I felt like this time around things blended a little together. But there's A lot to talk about. that. One of the things that as the playoffs start to approach like like the it's permissive enough that there are very few teams that are like actually. Clearly, out of it. You know you're starting to see teams attempt to reach their form and. Some of those teams. You know. Read joked about it last week but people talking about saying. It's just going to say. Andrew question for you which do teams which? Most consistent and the best if you pick one from each conference. Really only two teams look consistently good and who are they Seattle Sanders in Toronto. FC. Yom. Are have both led the way both head on good wins the last two weeks or he's GonNa last week I don't know. Nobody knows what we get is or what time it is. Our now have the I now have the rhythm of what's happening with matchdays on the mid week in care for mls down but then I'm talking about them I feel like. Is Two weeks, which is true. Yes. Yes. But both had great-aunts. Fortunately Josie. Alter door is a has picked up a knock I think. But there. Were two that co four to five weeks following hamstring injury injuries so. I, don't think. You know depending on what happens to the playoffs it'll. It'll be another sort of. So. In other words, he might be ready to come on for twenty minutes in the final. I heard I've never heard this happened before as A. As. A plot point. This this is never been, Josie? Josie? Josie fighting through injury in the playoffs has never been a plot point before it's good. It's good that we're mixing it up. We'll come lane all like for the past seven months about the you know what is the new normal and some things just are always true which is you can always count on Seattle in Toronto in MLS Vinyl and Josie altidore probably not being match fit probably coming on anyway and probably scoring a goal. But unless playing the hits have. I think legitimately 'em and I think this will become clear what we want to get through it. Again because of the widened field and because there are so many teams. On The cats. With back and forth in terms of form. This is. Going to be among like the one the harder playoffs to predict like. Yeah. I. Think there's we're well in. we're well in a position where we could see some really surprising teams go deep before Seattle Toronto. It's true which which that's the really crazy thing to me is because if that final does happen. It will be even more remarkable given. The fact that I mean just about every single team in the League makes it into the playoffs anyway and there's been so many games. So many fitness issues like there's a million things that could happen between now in that final game. I think it's going to be. So. Definitely there's so many things that could happen in. We've seen both Seattle in Toronto get beaten so. We know that that's a very real possibility in the playoffs as well. With that I With the first game between Toronto in Philadelphia I felt that that was kind of like at the two one win I thought that was a a real. Playoff test we'll play off takes tests in some ways because you head two teams that I really think could be. Each other down the road you had Toronto. C.. which has last year Washer Moose but. Which is director what's Trying to do their best to to find a way forward and then the batch with. New England. was. In. I. Don't know what you call the championship in this case if it's the if it's the. Supporters Shielded it's a classic. It felt to me like a classic title season. Title. winning. Season win where it's like Toronto FC never really had to get into keer really but like they just got fortunate and it never was an issue for them because you had the you had in that one you know. I can all scores the first goal. But it's like. You know the the commentators like is that a foul a foul? He Street. Yeah. Yeah. I mean like I love it Toronto as these lake check out that powered I'm like I sure as like for twenty year old kid that's some great upper body strength it's also super afoul but Yet and then. He would miss the penalty that was given up. After Delgado. Crunched on. Delgado fouled win and still got crunched by win which sucks. But you know. Schemes were bad league win who? I think was approaching a milestone wasn't allowed to take it then. Eventually that ended up becoming very true Atra books that put it over. Yeah. I mean I. To just switch gears for a moment. But while we're talking about, I feel like. New England was one of the teams that I want to pay a little bit more attention to this week just in terms of what I was watching and paying attention to because they've kind of feel like flown under everyone's radar a bit but have been quietly quite decent We don't have the same comparison of last year when. Bruce Arena took over and really overnight turn them into a good team from being pretty woeful and Lee, win has released slotted in nicely back into his role there But yes, it feels like new. England still missing one or two pieces to really make them. A huge threat. But Cheer Point About Toronto is I really do like the combination of these two games, the Philly game, which I thought was great. Message to you about it mainly because I'm not used to watching two. Teams in the same conference play a really good game of soccer against each other, where like all of their passes were finding a teammate. End to end but not because of mistakes and like they were defending and attacking well. Philly Philadelphia just felt like never quite had that that lethal final touch I thought the first forty five was really well contested by both teams, and then Toronto just ran away with it, and that's the reason why Toronto always ends up in the position they put themselves in is because they they just worked. So tirelessly, I mean the The culture that Vani is brought to the club I think is is really great. You mentioned Philadelphia kind of preferring their direct game I think at points it worked for them, and you see how playing a fairly simple style of soccer really does work well for Philadelphia and. The direct attack may be doesn't quite always come off, but it does make it very hard to score against them because they're a compact team, they're very well organized. Toronto was still able to do it, and as you say, just kind of polishing off this New England game. I mean, that's what championship teams do. Right is they they locked the back door and they get stuck in in the grind out one victories. I. Loved The Philadelphia Game Montero basically was like. I am getting hit. A powerful shot from forty five yards and I'm GONNA do four or five times it's going to happen eventually maybe not now familiar actually. Well, in Montero's kind of the I feel like the one exception for Philadelphia. Where he really Like when they're when you see the build up play you can. It feels a bit predictable like it's very, it is very direct All right, and then they're gonNA put it out to the wing and then the slow cross will come in and they will be two players in the box ready to find it They beat a lot of teams because teams are very bad at marking that kind of kind of direct style but Toronto was able to do it But. Yeah Montero I think brings a bit of. Just something different. Were you need? He's not directly shot necessarily know who's going to be kicking even when they don't come off. That have trouble. Philadelphia's on I thought that does all this game was truly impressive terms of your. Head or hits Blake spills. I disease I don't think that you can. necessarily. The Second Toronto goal. Puzzle Oh is. Very extremely unmarked on the far post. but I guess everybody was planning for a to go I guess all does go towards the middle than sort of dances free. Yeah I mean, it's still I felt like Philadelphia lost their concentration in in the last like twenty thirty minutes of the game. It's still a mistake. It's still one that I think Jim Curtin will be. Wanting back it it. It's just it's crazy to me that a player like puzzle hello can be unmarked in the box at any stage in any game especially against. A team like Philadelphia where they're usually pretty good on those those types of plays but. It just your comment around it feeling like a playoff game I really felt like between the the two teams are both good. But one team is very ready for the playoffs and the other team probably needs to dig a bit deeper and get into their their real the dominating mood. Thing that I will really save fat is unthinkable. As good as the scoring by committee is on, they have to act with gas worship pill. the. The Union looked dangerous at times BUT NOT A lot in A. The that I saw did Bilko pop up replace yet I think the Toronto game was rare not so great performance from poor performance from Brendon Aaronson. Is Game Against Cincinnati seemed to have no issues at all but. Yeah he was kind of uncharacteristically quiet during the Toronto game and it looks like he's actually probably headed off to Salzburg soon. The Red Bulls. Well. That's right. Awesome. He's he's playing the season. Yes. But it'll you know I hope that that he is able to make something of that in his In his final going for Seattle on the other side of the thing and the other side of the this this this final that we have imagined. From from real events. They had they were able to really turn it on a he'd streak hoover after the the first half this'll be a this'll be something that we hear about from. Vancouver again but any a pretty even first half they were able to really open the floodgates in a period of about. Twelve minutes scoring twice getting it on goal Hoover made Vancouver Dan got A Red card. Really, eat in. We can talk about this as well as the San Jose game later but. NEW SETTLED SEATTLE coming. In. Catalina became count. Right right. Right big cal and then cavalier Malini big Helga knock. Traveling got second out or not a second yellow, but CAVALLINA got yellow card accumulation right which kissing from the the earthquake game. But turns of we will more of Ankara later. Seattle's performance was one that A first half bitten. Had Tight. Really take the ability to put a team away in do very quickly. Yeah. I mean I. I was really surprised that first half was as close as it was I felt like. Seattle didn't look sharp as they normally do. And strategist the briefest little window of time. I. Was like, Oh, well, if they're having an off night like we could maybe. Squeak dry out of this. But as Seattle so often tends to do is once they find their rhythm, it's kind of over for whoever they're playing. And I mean, that's why as the whitecaps fan right now you dredd this kind of match. Seattle is. Off. At least five times, the team we are. In just about every area on the pitch. So for me, this was never a question of hey maybe we can win this one. It's like, how bad will it be? And it turns out. Not Not Terrible A. Very fortuitous penalty call to give us a goal which I think. The sounders fans are rightly aggrieved at but. As. I said during the game coming. Just, one buys come on look we are not. We're clearly not going to get a shot on goal any other ways Three one up. You're right. It's not a foul, not even close whatever retirement compare. Prepare as well That sort of like. To shots on target for the cams. To say. Three shots three shots total the twenty two for the sounders what a night out. But compare that. As you say, maybe even giving away too much in the first half to how they handled oursel-, which is you know they have this this golden score early, which is a great little move on world don the area Brewed for Jordan Morris Leader in the second half game are scores on ahead are off of. Is Wide Open doing so off of a freekick from Ladera? Really Holding Control of at the whole time knew who scores the the own goals. They even spotted went to their opponents but yeah yeah. This this game from you a real highlight of just where Seattle is that and you know I think usually probably people would say you know our cell doesn't really stand much of a chance there I thought our assault played a great game for the most part I thought they did a lot of things well, and I was really surprised that it was so close but you're right in terms of it was really kind of in Seattle's control for most of it. The the few chances are S. L. go were kind of half chances. And they had to do a lot of defending I was pretty happy with the way our cell defended, but it comes down to you know to errors just not being quick enough on the ball. The first goal is one of those ones where it's like maybe somebody can get out a little faster maybe somebody should be marking Jordan worse. A little tighter Jordan Morris is going to go where he wants to go is very hard to mark. And the shot is just such a deft piece of. stricker ship. Striker them That is thoroughly deserved. You know the and really the only blip from Seattle as this own-goal where new WHO's coming charging in on across. Admittedly, from his angle probably doesn't look like it's just GonNa fly through the box, but really a ball that when you're running as when you're centre-back running towards your own goal to block across. Like. You've got to be really a lot more. Sure footed. Just sliding in hoping to make contact with the ball is how you scored an own goal. And that happened but. For our. S. L. Side I thought they played a pretty good game overall looked to be a much stronger side this season. But was a great example of how Seattle. It regardless of the type of team they're playing always just seemed to be. In. Contravention D-. We mentioned Gonzala Guede Miami up the top they had after that first goal the first game where. Eglin was able to find the net they had another match where. That was fully goals all in the first half. Where they were not able to find joy. When they lost three two to New York City. with. City scoring Nicole Lewis Morgan draws lumberjack. Another role Lewis Morgan draws back But eventually they were. This Week Against York Red Bull's able to. Not, only beat. New York but Ige Wayne Gut that first goal I gotTa push alert about it. Of course MLS is thirsty for this. But. They. Were able to break through his rivals. Yeah and I felt like I'm. Last week. My criticism of Miami was just looking very frail defensively and in midfield as well and that I thought they did much much better in this game granted against an opponent that has looked pretty frail. Offense and midfield at times but this. Yeah, we haven't seen too many games with Inter, Miami where all the pieces come together and you're like Yes. The team that it looks like they were building in full effect. Because there's so many weeks where it just hasn't quite come off but you've got you know I'm Pellegrini draws level the Red Bulls score I in this game in a goal that looked kind of side to me but. The Red Bulls showing some fight not long after that Pellegrini levels it and then Egoyan gets the final word end with this just filthy free kick which. You know is a good distance but just. I mean. As far as free kicks go by as perfect as one can place one with the power and the bend on it gets himself off the mark and so where Miami has been slow to have their high performance players kind of perform to their full levels I think things look pretty good for them if Egoyan's able to to continue his form. I saw the goal line clearance early in this from blaze which Radi Yeah and thought. You know he was Almost an afterthought in the deal despite being you know a very major player in his own right The sort of one of the you'll you'll see desks when somebody gets signed the. Molested a teammate of there's pops up as well But. When I saw that goal line clearance in some other work that he was able to do it's just like what if this is the real get? Away. I would argue it is. You know like as we've talked about with Nashville expansion sides that build a really strong backline I think fair pretty well because you can wait for the goal scoring stuff to come. We've seen that with teams before one of our biggest. Criticisms with. Our beloved whitecaps like look if you're not scoring goals, you're not scoring goals but holy crap lock it up at the back like building team defensively first and then. It just like I, mean like. Money Out Front for any number of years and hope for the best just our ever really workout. So. Yeah I think. Is is beget. Certainly, certainly, if you're trying to find a way to make your your star signing a feel at home if you can prize another player out of inventive. In a midfielder you, you may as well This was also the first. This was also the first game for Gerhard stripper the new. York Red Bulls manager who. They. Paid a fee to get off. Barnsley, from championship. Right. Yeah. And not a not a great debut for him. I mean, yeah. For me I wish I had more to say about the Red Bulls I feel like been trying all season to come up with something more interesting to say about them and really trying to give them. A fair shake but. You know watching them play weekend week out. I've yet to really see. You know an entire game of a complete performance from them even some of the Games they've won. And it it's. He's got his work cut out there It's baffling to me the talent that they have on the field how it's it's just not resulting in the final product but you know we had this conversation last season. In the off season about like you know Newark Bills Getting rid of all their best players well. Turns out that really did hurt them. their neighbors. New York City after beating Miami went on to put DC united in the ground. Four one a a match are really weird game because DC gives up the penalty like in the second minute it seems really soft and then it almost feels like they get spotted one. Oh, absolutely. Okay we need. Yeah. I. Call on Julian Grenfell like it's an arm in the back, but it's like. Such such a soft call. Very. Very frustrating especially. So early in the game and then. I Drew Fisher I believe was the the referee in this game but after after double check that. But like almost immediately goes and calls a penalty on the other end, which is again, incredibly soft. So you have the game start with do penalty. And that second one, it's like. Bill. Need like gets a hand on it and. But can't stop it from going into the goal. All this. anos that scores that right for New York City. Think so and then not Jewish Roddy. Right. But but Cassiano scores the first PK, and then he and then he gives up the second PK. Right. And then to Jewish Roddy scores, the third PK because there were three penalties in this game. Oh my God. Because that's just a normal thing in soccer three penalties, but only one of them was a penalty. Ensure. Right. So you have these two and then the third I can see why you would get confused because there were three. In the span of. The different. If if if that had been saved. As it was. You know they go through halftime or one and then Even. Even before the goals started to come again it was they were just giving way too much. I think to to New York in terms of opportunities you know if like a real shooting gallery. Much like Seattle the exploded for three in the second half. Well and I really. Don't know where things. Quite went wrong for decent. Because Like get the the don't have Rooney and the you know they've they've lost some really key pieces of their squad and I feel like they've done a good job of bringing in players as well. But. They're defending just looks so frantic. At an it's like I know that there's been times where we've seen that. But I I really kind of. I knew that DC was not having a good season but I sort of scratch my head as to how they ended up in this position. in what would prove to be Ben Olsen's final game with them as head coach. It may be kind of kite to say this, but I kind of feel that. They more than. I I. Don't know you say more than any other team lots of teams would be impacted by the pandemic but if you're you're looking at a team that made. Two acquisitions the really wanted to. Sort of. Integrate into the team. and. Then had the season cancelled two games him. If you're looking at a team that winced game started getting played again Took a lot a number of injuries to key players. Yes Not to say that it hasn't been tough and it's been tougher battles and before. Fisher but yeah, I mean Paul Areolas is arguably their best player and Out, injured for the season so Stephen Gough. Reported after. after they failed to win a game with Rudy in the playoffs. Olson was almost. Fired last year. So he's kind of on the. A. Little Bit on the chopping block. Yeah, and. I've been glad to see. Most of the reaction is gratitude to Benham listens incredible tenure there and also. A, it's it can be time to move on and you can also be Kinda sad that it things didn't work out better in that it's the end of an era. I mean the stat is incredible seventy one point one percent of DC United Games and MLS Ben Olsen was either playing or coaching. A. That's That would be absurd if it was a new expansion team, the fact that it's DC united is. Crazy to me I don't know if you count I. Don't Know What you count in terms of one club. A one club player whether or not his his brief stint at Nottingham Forest would. Would preclude him from that. But I also think he was on loan. So you never laughed he never left the organization. actually In. If you look at it that way, it's like what the He. Has Essentially been with the team since ninety. Eight. yeah he was a player. That fears a player there he retired in in October of two thousand nine was hired as an Assistant January and was head coaching by August. Of Two thousand ten. In it is just It's not sort of like a Sir Alex Ferguson in. Multiple decades, decades day. But in the modern world of Pro Sports, what is and It's I. Think the wrecked occur record is verbis who has one more year ANA. I it is currently still there Peter vermes curtly so they're Sporting Kansas City. He has been a mainstay at mls both for. Playing coaching giving wild quotes. and. The, if you look at the Erez that he's road a road through in terms of getting out field and getting Wayne Rooney. Having some truly awful seasons and then masterminding decent turnarounds and still winning trophies. it's been quite the ride. Certainly. Has Been. Yeah. Yeah. I. Mean It's it's definitely a little little. Sad. We always like to to see the the long standing. Players and coaches stick around, but he will be staying with the organization which I think is. Interesting like pretty unprecedented to like lose your job. I mean there's very few times when A. Decided to. Part ways mutually decided to part ways is actually true and not just code for firing, but to be like, all right, it's time to move on but also you will have some role within the club. So I think that that's that's good to to acknowledge that you know there's It's fair to say, DC. Kind of is Ben Olsen. But yeah, they probably need to move on from that how ever? You don't want to just throw away all of that experience and insight into your team and and vision, and as you said, like it's not like it's been easy for him. He's. He's had very up and down seasons with them. But that that's a huge amount of experience that you have to see the good the bad and the ugly of your team. I have a hot take the organized this day in your thing to hear it. I'd love to hear it. forty-three reasonable or early to retire club. Aspirin isn't, it. I mean, I don't think I. I think that as long as he wants to work there, he should be able to work there and and certainly. other than the forest he's never looked at risk of ending up anywhere else but you know where he he's needed. Red Bulls man. Well I, guess they stand conference rival the he would never he would never because he's one of of it wouldn't. He wouldn't ever there. There are great. There's a great piece. I, want to say last here about how the DC rebels rivalry his has slowly receded from view but attention. But from the people who? Are you where's the law? But of the people who remember it, it's still burns in the fire. It still burns the fire their souls. That robbery yet. So I don't think he would ever do that I. Don't think you'd an and. The position was with up anyway but That would that would that would have been funny if it would have a If it would've have happened I think I think he could still. He he's still has managing him. Oh absolutely and I don't know of. I don't know if this is a scenario where you see as mls, every coach is going to have bad years like I I get the the decision. Absolutely but like. You know the the winningest coaches melas have still had multiple years where their teams are terrible like stick around long enough and mls you're going to have a terrible. Unfortunately, his his. Biggest doesn't eight the. Of Manager, it's the feel nine, hundred, seventy, six. To thirty on. But it'll be interesting to see what comes next for DC. And how they continue to move into a new era we are constantly talking about the being in a new era, but it's clear that. As. You know as important as the arrival of Wayne Rooney. The opening field was that year. It's this is the hinge point. It almost feels like not that. Yeah, it. Yeah. You're right and I mean they're they're academy hasn't been cranking up tons of players and it was a well regarded academy but we've yet to see that that pipeline develop as much as it has with some other teams. So like there's significant work to do with this organization I, mean the good thing is the got the stadium out of the way so. And the got some attention their way because of the reunion signing a little bit higher profile for. Probably some bigger names than they might have been before but. I think it is a bigger turning point in many ways, they have a huge decisions to make about which way they want to go with their team and. I'm very curious to see who ends up being on their their shortlist of choices coach. some big results around the league. Montreal squeezed out a very controversial win against. For me this was kind of like an unfortunate result from a really good scrappy game that I felt like if if it was just allowed to play probably it's a one one draw. Maybe one team is able to take all three points from it but. It it's just it's not a penalty and the fact that it's hauled is not a penalty and then Var says, no, it's a clear and obvious error and then they rescind that decision. I it's just it's so like nerve Jangling when Var is used to overturn the correct call on the pitch. You know. Have a hot a do it. It was the right call. Day Day consists the the the commentators tried to. Essentially. Paint Bojan as As. Backing into the foul. But I don't think that that is important. He's still gets pushed over the Bulgaria. If you. If you wonder if it is if it is his fault that he gets pushed over the penny routier if you if you wonder whether or not the attacker intended to push over in the penalty area. I think the certainly. Part, of the critique of far has been the on did it slows everything down to slow motion in takes a little bit out of the. Of of the context of the things when you're looking at it that way but certainly when you're looking at it and slow-motion. Get pushed over for behind the criteria. I will give you this much rather than do the typical sports thing of just barely disagreeing with you. I think I'd need to see it again to my is when I watched it, it looks very soft and I think boy and. is going over I. Think he does get a little push and I think he's looking for that penalty the whole way. and. To me that's a finer line maybe that's where all compromises is a finer line of whether it's a penalty or not. When a player on the attacking player knows it's going to happen is looking for the contact and waiting to go over I mean he he does back into the player and the player extends his arm and pushes him. But for me boyens going over when that happens like he's already a bit off centered if it was the. Feet on feet and there is like tripping going on a bit but for me, it's just it's it's like. You're to not be able to lake touch a player in the penalty box. I. Mean. If you can straighter Agai and score, then I feel like you as a defender should be allowed to like use your arms a bit. And we've seen penalties where there's a lot more pushing going on and the penalties. So. I I. Guess for me I'm just like if it seems rather soft and if this is a PK then I feel like there should be ten others that were called the season but. What else is new? It's it is concerning the major talking point here should be Columbus as a team that up until a few weeks ago had conceded two goals in the season is now starting to to give them up at not an alarming rate. It's still a pretty good goal difference for them. But huge. Win For Montreal and St. you can sense Kayla ports frustration and and you know maybe starting to get a little bit unsettled with his pretty impenetrable you look at A. The first goal to I think that this is is less I think it says less about Columbus on a whole than it does about you know Montreal is a real team right now that needed some good news and. Had this. This first one where they It's like there. I think it's like the Columbus defender like obviously handballs it but a baptist back to a player who scores which I think is like. To Columbus benefit in the long-run becase had had the gold knock-on in then. It would have been a denial of an obvious opportunity. The player had been sent off. Yeah I like green splitting moments like, okay. The handball but the Balkan back afterwards but he scored it. So we split the difference and allow the goal or do we call it back from the point at Lake? Almost got the allegation not this one but I'm very fine with just being like, yes, it's a handball, but he scores the goal the goal stand. Weird is it is I guess it's not. Denial of an obvious goalscoring opportunity if the goal was scored, right? Yeah. Well, and that's the thing I'm like, which would be talking about we're talking about the goal that would have been scored his his hand or the goal that was scored after it is. The goal and simultaneously scored and Odil open the box analysts Schroeder's goal. Scored not scored at the same time. Man, but it was it's great for Montreal. As he said, we don't know what you're going to get with Montreal and their total chaos team but. It's a good win for them and I'm glad because I want to see. Terri. On re stick around Forbidden Mls and he certainly seems more comfortable with. With this team in this league. So I was glad to see them win and overall. Montreal. Yes can certainly be chaos at times, but they're fun to watch. That they've really times have such a just fun. Never say die attitude of just like, Hey guys, I don't know maybe we could win this game. Let's just run at the other team and see what happens. Can I can I just hit you with a Montreal goal scored by number eighty seven Erwin. Schrodinger. Limit. I. You're right about sort of that run forward and see what happens mentality in I. Think also guest artists scored one with his Chin in this game. Yeah. That one that one I was like Oh, is that handball like that's very high but it just like the chimney like pinballs around off defenders and then comes office. Chin for what is probably the strangest Gore Goal Hill Score. elsewhere in the League Houston got a huge result in the the Texas rivalry they to nothing over Dallas I thought this was a massive massive thing for Houston especially after trading at least away they also brought in a replacement toot sweet. The to Darwin's came up big during Conteh. GotTa Goal Darwin Seren got goal. They also got a guy sent off for terrible tackle. So you know winning a game against your rival. Being a man down. has been very good especially defensively I thought this is a really big statement of intent from Houston and shows that they're they're far from out of it. They certainly can look at times, but this for me was a great game and also say to. There's a lot of because in my notes says looking through and I was like. That's not a penalty that's just stupid. I thought I was a great. A. Well, reffed game. which with L. Faith is something that doesn't always happen but I thought he was going to say I use. That's that's I. Praise going for you. Frisbee L. Fan. But I, thought he did a good job. He let the teams play. The red. Card was very easy call to make and definitely the right one. and I believed that was far checked as well. 'CAUSE I. Think it was a yellow to begin with. So just it all worked out well I think it's important to not know the boring times are when all the calls for the most part are good and things are well raft. You don't talk about those one. So a throw that one. That is an interesting point you know we. were. So we we overlooked so many so many times though the the easy ones with that. If you had this week. A new little drought in Nashville Minnesota another nil nail between a Atlanta Orlando was there any from the previous match day? That was that was? A Nobel between New England and national the previous match day. At least you had. La Galaxy versus Portland Timbers were their goals in that game too. I think there is a soaked up all the goal idea. That's my. Nashville, and Orlando, and Atlanta to gift all of their goals to galaxy in Portland for their game. Nine goal. Rackham sock boppers just. While Sane. Yeah. Auditing this one I watched the highlights to this game because it's just desperately trying to come up with some other note than just like shake head G. Okay. So in the movie. The movie snatch. Boris. The Pool Dodger has definitely been shot, but Dennis freeze. Character. is in desperately. Trying to figure out the situation. And Boris, screams atom I'm not dead yet and Farina's character shoots in two more times. And then he says I'll soon log dead. Shoots again I feel that this was kind of the rhythm of this game in which in which which. Was a Guy Ritchie two-goal cushion. In. then. In. The student game conceded three goals in your never guess what happens next Welcome to cavins barbershop. You all got to see this. You don't WanNa know what you're looking at on that phone will you should I was learning about the dangers of high blood pressure and that we need to get our check regularly high blood pressure can increase the risk of heart attack or stroke but this X. 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So bonkers I mean, honestly I felt like at least to Portland's goals could have been called off so. I think that they were somewhat lucky in that regard and maybe the damage was greater than it, it could have been but. It just. PORTLAND. Is such a head scratcher Great to be able to put away six goals. Giving up the three. Which one of them the Pavilion scores the second or third. From outside the area. The third right? Yeah and he's a great little turn not when I go that is a great goal. What what, what can you really do about? It the other two thought were pretty soft and. It's just it's really. Got To, be a little alarming for several essays that at this point Portland still just giving up multiple goals per game that just seem easy. that being said, the fact that they're able to just score goals will it seems and pylon so many. is good. However, a six three win might sound good. But when you think about the playoffs coming up and and being that leaky at the back I, feel like you have to have some other strategy than just outscore the other team regardless of how many goals have been scored up to that point you they've got the really need to tighten things up at the back I felt like Steve Clarke had really uncharacteristically poor performance. There's two that I thought he just didn't seem to know where the ball was coming from and. I don't know if it was maybe a bit of miscommunication with defenders just looked kind of shaky and out of it. But. I mean what even say about the Galaxy in this game? Yeah. I agree with you that you. Have to give it as as. A requirement to be you know tighter defensively, you have to think that most times if you're going to be giving up three goals to the galaxy that you're not GonNa win the game it helps to store twice that I guess this is this is a don't use it. You could just you could just swim in goals like this. You. I think that in some cases is a defensive lapse like that first goal more hit a lot of time. About seven yards out to score it on the. Fourteenth, minute. The second from a bogus, he comes from a free kick which I wonder whereby push alert was for that. Yup. I thought the. This this the third Portland goal, an extreme knowledge it's not a goal. There's this. There's this tremendous Portland galangue clear. It's did his it bounces off of mob torso I can has to be cleared again. which was which was very messy defensively. For Portland but in terms of like you know diagnosing things the attack. A diagnoses the defense of La. It's like. Hilarious scores this goal where he is at a diagonal and facing away from the goal and still able to chip it in. Japan I don't know. That you. I don't know what you could have done about that situation. No, it's true I. I think that at least two of Portland's goals are goals that would have beat anybody so In fairness to La. There's that but. They just. Look a complete mess. And I mean. For for a brief little window there really looked like things were gonNA come together for them and. Really looked like a different squad in terms of mentality and and defensive ability. But boy that seemed to be a thing of the past this week. The The fifth one for Portland is the one where you can really look at Elliot's defense would be like, ooh. ooh. Yeah Kinda reminds me of like Cincinnati at times. We've got like eight players all clumped together. With a swarm of opponent, surrounding them, and you've got eight players watching the guy with the ball. It's like that. Is Not. Do you want maybe look at where the ball might be going next. No. Okay. All right. All? Right. No problem that and allowing free in the box if there was a twenty twenty mls defense. In one line, it's free headers in the box this year just. A. Got One for Philadelphia, this week is just insane like you've got these big tall guys. Just waiting. And there'll be a defender on either side and they'll just look up and watch them headed in so. What are you? GonNa do. It's true. And that was after. You know I completely miss the fact that they also lost to the galaxy also lost to San Jose. Right. Yeah. That was A. I San? Jose. Asserted the beginning of their fortunes changing really came in at a very strong performance against L. A.. It'd both that's right. beadle AFC decided why not we'll We'll complete the LA sweet hearbeat galaxy and then went on to Vancouver whitecaps for three goals unanswered just like Old Times I. See, this is where the this is where the the The trick is is the is. Continuously been thinking of them not that much changed in the interim, but it's like all their form is so terrible they lost five one they're lost heaven. Wa or whatever it was five nothing You hope in in the situation that Vancouver finds themselves that if you've gotTa have teams if you had two teams that. Both are giving up five, one, six, one score lights they may be this is your opportunity result you know the seven one loss to Seattle takes on loss to Portland Five, five nothing lost to Colorado. But if you think about it now. Says they've won their last three It certainly, it was a another really frustrating for Vancouver where like the Seattle game they the hold through the first. But again, this is a team where if you? Before this. Little hot run the him going on it's like. You think this is if Vancouver is having a rough season, you can at least have two teams that are on the same level of roughness. go at it in in the most that they're able to make. Out of this. Is. Is I, think. Fifty like forty, one, percent possession or In the first half. A. Day. Are. Not. As patsy fin earlier the season in terms of creating no chances but I don't think anything's Very special in the first. And then this. Just terrible sequencing that. In trying to find where the red cards. Plural. A in the goals, all lineup but. It's rose. I for a second yellow. I, believe right. Yes he's pulling the arms. No supposedly scores I. T's right. He's got time to to move in I. think that one of the things that I noticed about vk cover here is how It's like their combat aging San Jose's main market system point marking domain at all. In terms of the opposite of men marketing. Terms of know the duck commander's have to stay both several vendors have to stay in the sand right and they're bolted to the place. It's like they're bolted to where they think they've been toby should be. They give Espinosa lots of time to turn around for the first goal and then. It's rose getting sent off at the second yellow. And then the second goal from. Alright hero I had it written into my notice bureau plays into Andy Riaz. Rios, who is he acres of space between the CAP's defence? The midfielder's again with issue if you look at it, there are two perfect lines. The whitecaps a format. Invalid one by. On the six yard line one, just a just think just about the top of the box. So. Much route between those do. Yeah there's just there seems to forever be a disconnect between the back line in the midfield that. Whether it's defending or going forward it it just. Everybody seems to be on a on a different page. It was really really weak performance from the WHITECAPS. Yes. The refereeing wasn't fantastic Eric sent-off that red card has been rescinded. But. Let's not. Pretend that this game was lost because of referees game was lost because the whitecaps are terrible right now and there there is really. Nothing in this performance semi, you had to feel the three one loss to Seattle was somewhat inevitable. We're gifted a penalty we took it. That's that's great. That's something at least. But you want anytime, you're getting something like we can't even improve over that performance. Then we go to a team that we should have at least had a chance against I didn't I thought we were going to lose this game as well. But To to just kind of. You know. I. Don't want to see capitulate because I think it's disrespectful to the players that are flying literally risking their lives to play sport for entertainment but. It's just it's bad. You know and unfortunately my conclusion that I keep coming back to just that. They're just not a good enough quality side. I don't think that there's a a coach in the world that could come in and get a lot more out of this current team. There's definitely tons of factors l think it's a simple matter of anything of as to why any team is struggling this year but. It was to another just really disappointing set of games from the whitecaps with virtually nothing to redeem them. You could you could maybe look at it. I've tried to find who had the quote that for Marco Santos where he says I'm not able to get the pressing the way that I want to. 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It just there's so many different individual and collective parts that don't work. It's very hard for me to accept that it's not. A census fault? because. There's so many for all the little pieces that are going wrong I mean, and it's incredibly difficult job to do. But. The club, is his at this point. He's completely remade it in his image. And were were worse now than we were before so. I mean. I'M NOT GONNA. Say That like he hasn't brought in better players. in some positions but overall. It. When you see are starting eleven even when we've got everybody fully healthy, you put against just about any other team in mls and you just look at it and go. We still feel like kind of a B squad. Have a proper full starting eleven of strong. Like players who are going to perform consistently there's so many question marks every almost every single player and it's not that they're bad. It's just that they're not good enough. and. The the level that they're playing at is not high enough for this league. and. The, the the last thing I just want to squeeze into the remarkable part to me is the players that are coming to the games consistently and performing better if not. Overall Great. Our draft picks and academy products for the most part. I agree that and also let me clear that the reason why I. mentioned that is because. The. The issue is, is your point about the the players not the players starting good enough. Is that it's but regardless of WHO's you know quote unquote fault is. It's clearly not working and I don't know how many more games when you see you know Ben also get fired or you see people got fired late Mris. Last year. It's still a weird. It's still very weird. So I guess you can't i. I still have I still have the tenets chill soccer in my mind yet. To be like levelheaded about it. It probably doesn't make sense to fire mark to Santos right now like you might as well write it out until the end of the season, we probably won't make the playoffs and then makes it very easy to let him go. And justify that decision and if we do by some miracle, we get knocked out early you know okay we can say we won. and. Maybe there's something to build on I i. think short short of like making it to the playoffs and winning a game to Santos is finished but I think a pragmatic thing to do is let him finish out the season. I mean best case scenario it's going to take you. Two months to get a coach in any way. So. Unless you're willing to have his brother takeover. You have to fire the entire coaching staff basically with mark to Santos, and it's very hard to replace people right now in Canada's even more strangely positioned because it can be very difficult to get the rate work visas for somebody if they're international I think to Santos whose time is done but it will be the off season when that's meet official unless a miracle happens. I think that's true I think that. Now I. Guess. I don't know if it's it's. This year's game or next year's game or what have you but. I, think one of the other critiques that you could give is it you I'm looking at the transfers of of WHO's coming in the summer. And maybe Seattle maybe you know. Roman Torres. Only. GonNa. Go back to Seattle maybe you know obviously is they they want the sentimental were in terms of ex players were not gonNa re-sign Kamara. Or Lee Win. But it's like if you look at a Columbus Getting Grant Willard for Miami. DC getting actually. So you'll Berg from Columbus, the defender for Emmanuel voting if you can just get defenders. You can. It's it's it's been challenging and I know that the location issue is a problem that I know that nobody is is in a great. While he's in terms of revenue but as as challenging as the whitecaps defender issues ever been nobody is stopping them from going to get. And there's been and there's A. That's been kind of maddening thing and I really do feel for them in terms like Marco Santos basically is the Scouting Department I get that that's that's a difficult job to do not. It's not the one he was hired to do. However. It. He is his. and to me, it's like are you just looking too far afield for the next you know big young South American signing who's GonNa come in and then you can turn around and sell at a profit Or are you not actually looking at pieces within the now in fairness they've been signing academy products and bringing some great players into the team. Usually those you can kinda scoff at and be like well, they're not gonNA make the first team but they have this year and you know in terms of both these Samoan I think times at times reporter was well. They've looked better than any of their older counterparts. So those are actually those have been good signings and you know the the success of Thomas Sowell's another another one until his unfortunate injury. So It's it's certainly not a like the whole structure stinks you know there's little tiny elements working but it it ain't much and it really does feel like. You know nothing against what Marco Santos has accomplished. But like if you WanNa talk about availability of talent mls, there's lots of great coaches you can get experience coaching stop screwing around get somebody who with experience into coach team. MLS experience or higher. Man All. The. I I think you know it can be. Did this on twitter in unstop other people doing it and getting into the fuck getting into the despondency. Of thinking like who can we beat right now and that's that's defeated thought because we have had good wins this year but it's like you know we could be cattery last year. So we could we could give it be at the top level of EPL went down there in and when you start talking like that, you know it as other people are doing. It's like you know I'm completely checked out or whatever. I. WanNa. Be Clear. I you know. That, the the how it started, how's it going? I was looking at old out of looking at old quotes I found a a facebook post. March et two, thousand nine Andrew Bates is so pumped on Vancouver Mls twenty eleven. And, and if I go back and I think of that, you know of that time of of of I seen the club in. Am I experiencing the joy being a fan? I am glad there is soccer in hoover and I don't want the whitecaps to go away or anything. It's just. In in I never. I never wanted to come to that when we talk about the challenging nature of supporting the team right now in terms of. How hostile at times they have felt Too early. How? They continue to have moves like you know. Firing the C O in. The continued mishandling of. The issue the cropped up last year. With the. The accusations of. Misconduct, it's. I in in how that went in terms of what apple with Anthony Blundell I'm it's really hard to support. The specific whitecaps that we have right now. But. Even though it's challenging, things can be challenging for teams. It was very challenging for Toronto for a long time and this none of this is On twitter, there is a little bit of public None of this is is dampening my overall off. It's just hard. It is. Yeah. Yeah no I mean I think that like there are brighter days ahead for the WHITECAPS. It's probably not with many players in our current roster nor with mark do Santos leading the team. That's how I feel about it. I think it is going to take something different and. You know I I felt this way when Santos was brought in I think that. It was not giving him enough credit, but one of my worries was. I'm tired of pudding chances on promising young coaches. And Hoping Youth used in the team and Youth in the coaching staff is going to to do the trick and Mike kind of argument against Marco Santos was like a Yes. I know that he's played at some coached at some very high levels and had some success. But they weren't emily MLS is different beast small necessarily better but it is a different beast. He was unproven mls and that was major worry is that we were still. You know taking on a project that may not workout and I think it's fair to say at this point, it hasn't really worked out. So it and it's not again and I really grew to like Marco Santos and liked his approach and. I I. Appreciate. Having somebody that just really gets soccer and as such a soccer nerd at the head of the Club I. Love It. But you know the press conferences have gotten Kinda rough where You know he's very Cagey and defensive before anybody's even asked a question and when he's asked a pointed question about something that's a real concern kind of acting a bit baffled than it's it's the same as this body language on on the touchline when his team get scored against and he's there with the coaching staff and they all suddenly stand up there looking at each other and scratching their heads and it's like come on guys. This is this is basic. Set piece defending here like why are you? Why are you so confused about what just happened like? An I mean that being said, I, get the frustration of just because you said it because you drew it up just because he planned it doesn't mean it's going to happen on the field but. It's This year firefighters like fire chief, James Hall will battle wildfires around the country in hopes of containing them. But firefighters can't do it alone. 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My name is Ruth Roussy I volunteer with United Way Reading to children to help prepare them for a better academic future I don't just wear the shirt I live it give advocate volunteer live united good live United Dot Org brought to you by United Way and Ad Council. Long story short is it's it's both it's the players, the coach and our front office could use some work as well other than that things are going well. Spikes Been Great. Let's. The. History with. With wages managers isn't it is that you know them reacting defensively with when things are going poorly hey, listen I'm very smart. This was a good plan, but you still exactly yeah, I get it. It's kind of a circular conversation. What do you say like well trying? I did tell them to do something different. As you can see, they did not do that thing. But it's the Kirk coach of this team. This is what I have to deal with. Sporting Kansas. City picked up a couple of wins to one of its Houston when nothing against Chicago La See play this actually I didn't I don't. Think they had a game rescheduled today not where were they just debut by weak the AFC they. Are. Self. Free One were they oh, it was rapid galaxy Was the most recent one against the range. I think yeah, and and you're right. It's the. Day was supposed to play on Wednesday against L. Ese. And then tomorrow's game who's been canceled because there are the outbreak at the the covid nineteen outbreak at the rapids is continuing. with one new confirmed positive case in the rapids playing pool shoot. We wish everyone well there hopefully. Everyone recovers quickly and. Can get back to playing. Living Your Life. They continued risk that. Bit. Teams face for. It to play is. Continuing to be worrying at the move closer closer, play offs you know as bad as the term was a you know you. You see things like that quite good. Knew that ended with the tournament. And you know this is only some I. think of because there's been a lot of hype recently around who's GonNa win the supporter shield you know Toronto FC is points off the. Pace in it's like, what is the fucking point of the Supporters Shield at this point? And now. In this season saw. The Jeremy Noting, but it's like. What is a twenty twenty th order she'll get me. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's it's ridiculous I mean again, we are clearly all in denial and this entire season is like there were three parts and we are just pretending that somehow all the competition was equal and we're going to have a playoff that only eight teams don't participate in. That's totally normal and find and good, and at the end of it, we will be able to say, yes, this is the best team in almost like. We are all being completely delusional about it for the sake of having a sport so You. If you don't award the Cascadia Cup because supporters are not present I. Don't see why you awards the supporter shield when most of those games have piped in supporting US yeah it feels. It's just weird. It's weird and bad weird and bad. Speaking things that were weird and bad. The. The US. Segue, and there you go. Perfect. The US L. has has find on his is issued six band to junior Fleming's or phoenix rising exceed for an incident. Cropped up essentially right after we got. Off The phone call. Last three. Yeah. Yeah. Like minutes after we had wrapped up our last episode and Post Post. Post game chatter. I just happened to see a tweet about an incident that happened between San Diego loyal and Phoenix rising and was like. Doesn't sell put all their games on Youtube. So I went and found the full match kind of went to roughly when I thought the incident might have occurred and watched. Just an insane like fifteen minutes on fold. That I still like a lot has happened since, but I still really struggled to wrap my head around how it even happened. But it's it was going. There was a really troubling awful incident in which. The. Junior Fleming us to who denies. It. he denies it, but the club accepts the findings of. Investigation did he use a homophobic remark? On the field against Colin Martin who came up when he was playing for. MINNESOTA UNITED WAY. and. The what unfolded in that fifty minutes retro time is get. Fleming uses what I think has been identified slaying. Slur. In. Call Martz's. He just said He. Used to Koestler or something the referee heard the Word Gay and red-carded Colin Martin. So Landon Donovan fresh fruit forfeiting the lawyer. Draw, the previous week because of. A racial slur used by allegations to member. Storms onto the. And is basically losing it as I. Think you know everybody who you know understood, the sequence must've been that they want. How can this be happening? In in. It has. It has made a lot of news I'm I'm really glad that the US l. were able to. To have an investigation. I think it really bothers me still that the player. That you know You had the owner of Phoenix, rising on twitter that night so much so much even as you know. You even as the actual news events of the player being you know put on hold by the Club of the of the coach going on leave. Were happening at the same time as people's twitter timelines were still regurgitating sixteen year. Old tweets. Of player statements that they were making in the middle of the night. So you'd have like the player statement where he says. I didn't say a homophobic slur and I never would say anything like that, and then the I think that must have been before De sportscenter audio leaked. The referee says, Oh, I heard the thing that you allege that he said I just didn't know that it was I. didn't know that it was a slur in I. Can't jump to conclusions even though I red carded you because I heard you say the word gay. Yeah, which is like sort of like also admitting that you're just not good at your job, but I guess that's better than. THAN NOT I mean. There's so much that we can talk about here and I. I don't know there's it's really worth getting coach thing. Let's just talk about the real quick just. So the the the coach thing is Landon Donovan I. Feel He does storm the field in as little, but I also think he's very controlled in his reactions and that he's trying to separate. And he's trying to he's also he goes onto the pitch to get his players off the pitch. So what makes? Slightly different than just a coach running onto the field, and honestly if he ran on the field his death. I would have been fine with it but. It like just. The yeah. He goes on the pitch pulls his players off and then he's on the the sideline having conversation with the referee and the Phoenix rising coach explaining what went on. And the the thing about this that makes it so crazy is that the the coach, the Phoenix rising coach? Whose name is alluding me but it's Shrimp Shamsul. Believe have. Shan Rick. Chance. Like, right after the game tweeted. My comments didn't mean and he was he was caught sportscenter video telling landed in. You know they're just out there trying to compete. You know you're you're causing a scene. Have you ever played soccer before to the? person who holds the US men's national team goalscoring. Well, and then he's kind of like defenses comments because he was like I I didn't like I didn't mean it like I wasn't trying to defend this. The use of the slur and say that it was normal to to say homophobic things in the course of a game, but it's like. That clip is from the game that was all captured live the cameraman on the sideline who deserves. All kinds of journalism awards in raises for catching it. All clearly captures the entire conversation between the match official. Landon. Donovan. And Rick chance and it's pretty clear in the course of fat that Landon Donovan Specifically, he called Him Gay, he's a gay player. And the coach just brushes it off. Here's now about other thing I want to say about that about his specifically about his defense. To me, it amounts to. I didn't want to say that you are wrong for protesting. I was unhappy with the way you did it in to me that defense is. is a negligible distinction. To say to say I didn't mean to say that he was wrong. It was wrong in the way that he defended this player is essentially the same thing. Yeah. Given like I, I think the the focus should really be on. The Colin Martin's response the team's response and Landon Donovan's response which. I. Rightly was the thing getting the most attention which was. You know this is a really big important game for San Diego. Loyal but they've felt like they didn't do enough to support their player the previous week when a racial slur was used, and so they decided as a team that they would take action. They would try to make something more meaningful and actually planned a moment I think I believe in the seventy first minute, they were going to stop the game with Phoenix rising and take a stand together to company in the second half. Off. Another incident happened and they forfeited an incredibly important game. So the the defense that nothing happened or that you know it was the way Landon Donovan dealt with things like they were winning this game and could have just. Said you know what will take this and we'll just beat you guys instead and I think like that that was definitely an option available to them and instead. Said no we're stopping everything and we like we just can't do this again and Landon Donovan right even in his. Past Steven said that me down here. What are you a yellow booger? 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And so they decided to take action and. I mean. It's. It's been a wild. For for both clubs but one of the things that has resulted from it was joint statement from both clubs. Play through such a time I've had a homophobic slur directed at me because it's a thing for our entertainment entertainment. But this is what they do for a living and they are in a union environment and they are subject to the same rules so. It is a big deal. I. Mean it would have been a big deal anyway but. I just I've been admiration for Colin Martyn for for holding himself together through all of this and and being so eloquent when. He. Would be completely justified to just tell everybody to take a flying leap and. Not. Handle things with grace. It's unfortunate that. Queer ritualized. Experienced marginalization continue to have the people to take the high ground in moments like this. But Again the it felt good to see somebody in the moment. Say, no, this isn't okay. We're not just going to continue. We're not gonNA just brush this off. We actually have to do something about it. To me feels. Very significant and. And there was the on the line they didn't need to forfeit this game but. To lend and Donovan in the players. They couldn't continue and I think he's. Really hits home is personal in. You. Know I know you know? The thing happening is. Something that? Is, infuriating and I think. The idea of. Like. A precedent. and. Two teams even if they're second division teams try to move forward of it is just like. That is why I think it his battered so much to you and I. A queer fans across North America. Yeah because it. It does feel personal because every time it's just another reminder. You're not welcome here and you know this environment that you thought was for you and is safe isn't in some small way and for that briefest little window time. You kind of feel that. And you're like. All right. So if I do WANNA stay supporting soccer I I have to withhold some part of my identity. This kind of crap is going to happen. But to then see. The the reaction from Landon Donovan from the club From. The fan bases from soccer fans in general and of course, there are people saying stupid shit about it but for the most part. Actually was like it was nice to see after terrible incident. Be Like Oh. These people are a small number of people are in the wrong here and actually are going to be held to account and. People are. Doing the right thing and recognizing that. This is much bigger than a single moment or a single game or. The sport in general and we can we can decide to go to the. Go another the big thing. For discrimination of all kinds of in the comes from this incident is that. I'm sure that the two clubs involved in the US L. have. Learned, a lot of lessons throughout the of the process. I really hope MLS MLS clubs and their eyes open because this is going to happen. in the question is not like when is the next player GonNa? Walk off the field it's like. It will happen. So you have to like decide what you're going to do for that player in and. Whether or not you need to force damn to walk the. That's another part you know when you're talking about call it. anyways. We. Talked about this before the show where it was like I mean this could be the show. A lot of loaded things for for both of us and for a lot of people. Junior. Fleming's has been suspended as. Embattled his whole six. Yes. Six game suspension. He's he's been. Put on, leave the. Also said that they are putting him on leave for the remainder of his contract, which is one more month. So that will be his. that. will be his right the remainder of his time at the club. that. The last thing I'll say that I think is important is that The coach's response from Phoenix rising was not great. He acknowledged that that response was not great and. Working with the people involved actually. Apologized for this specific actions and committed to doing something. About it. Various specifically and as much as it's really easy to want to write people off and and just be angry about it and I went there. But it's important that we talk about the other side of things, which is, which is not just every time something awful happens being like we'll fire one and this is all bad and nothing good will come of this but. People will make mistakes but when people can acknowledge those mistakes and work with the people that were harmed to do better and to acknowledge that harm. It is meaningful. You know and I I have to admit. It probably was not a fun thing to have to call call and Martin and specifically apologize. But. It was the right thing to do. And it was the right thing to mention the specific ways in which harm was done rather than say, well, I didn't mean to do this and who can say like the language in the apology was unambiguous and that matters so. I'm glad thet. Talk about like we can actually say lessons maybe we'll get learned here and. The correct actions are being taken because that's an opportunity that's been missed time and time tired completely professional sports. Who? I tell you pretty. To Colin Martin Uranium. It's going GonNa it's GonNa be a lot more than just landon Donovan storming the Pitch But big new twenty twenty is live in just like now that we. Have Gotten through this. This bracing of two weeks to two weeks. One Week. Until. The end of the season, it's basically GonNa be a whole match matchday twice a week. Where can we find you online? You can find me online on twitter and Instagram at that. So mls you can, of course, find this podcast wherever you get you can plug it on twitter at start base rate wwe. Where can you? BATES DOT COM. and. Don't get to let cards and until next. Don't get off yet sent. You can log in because who knows what a sending off at the conclusion of secret split started with somebody else getting a ride card. Excellent. 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FDA permitted for ages two years and up visit DAX COM DOT com and Tech News and commentary in its first segment, and then we jumped to more of your calls I. One of the bigger announcements this week is holding their event most recent event. Yeah. They've revealed their lineup of iphone twelve models this week already up to twelve course they skipped a couple back in there with prices ranging from seven, hundred, twenty, nine for the mini two, thousand, ninety, nine for the pro. Max and lots a news came out of the apple reveal this week. As you mentioned, several models of the IPHONE twelve including the regular phone twelve, which has a six point one old ed display same size as the iphone eleven the overall size though even though it has the same size screen has been reduced because the screening is now fills more of the phone and there's less of a vessel edge. I get Gotcha so and it's available they five colors black white product, red green, and blue project read. The others are just colors not product white adequate apparently is I guess their sponsorship where they raise money for AIDS awareness okay. I think these are the first iphones to support five G. Right? They are which I've seen a lot of people saying that all it does is basically make future proof. They say there's no real perk guess yet because five G. isn't everywhere yet. So it's more for that that foam. Oh, factor the fear of missing out the Gotcha and of course, the new fourteen chip inside the iphone twelve, which apple says brings fifty percent faster graphics. So if you're looking for that sort of speed, you've got that at twelve megapixel rear dual camera. With all tra- wide support. So if you'd like those ultra wide pictures and views of things that'll help and pre-order started this Friday and the phone itself will be available on the twenty-third a very good and again prices starting at seven, hundred, ninety, nine dollars. So that's still not very inexpensive if you drink the KOOL aid and you're an iphone and you just got to have a device with a piece of fruit and. Spend a little less than the twelve mini, which is the exact same phone internally. But with a five point four inch display. Oh, tiny tiny. You may not want to do that. It's kind of it's it's actually smaller. I think than the IPHONE SE was That's pretty wild and pre orders for that beginning November, six with availability on November thirteenth and what what is it going to sell for? I was GONNA start at six, ninety nine. Very. Cool. Did you buy a ton of stuff on Amazon Prime Day actually two days that can't even count. About one stuff. Once you actually fell hook line and sucker for Prime Day. Yeah. Let, me tell me it was at least something for cameras. It was it was an early credible that early Christmas was Christmas present that I bought early. Okay. Well, then that's Amazon's decision to delay its prime day sales event from July until this week has kicked off of course, that early start to the holiday season as rival retailers including Walmart target and best buy launch competing sales. The pandemic has brought new challenges and retailers are getting an early start to avoid crowding stores and clogging delivery services with last minute purchases. So perhaps the likes of Fedex and ups and the postal. Service and even prime delivery. There are going to be happy to know that it's not going to be this mad rush during the week before Christmas before get their stuff and I think that makes sense for all of us even as consumers whatever you do if you do some online shopping and get some stuff early whenever you see decent prices on stuff doesn't have to be a prime day or or similar, but do some shopping and and look at prices, and when things get to an affordable point for you buy them and stash them, and then you just have a mad. Rush. Before Christmas or whatever holiday you celebrate to wrap them and otherwise prepare them as gifts. Yeah. I just I I've always had to be careful about this up too early because I've slept early really early in the past started shopping like July online I'll stack things then I'll forget about them. I think a lot of people have done that That's not good. So here's my suggestion I. Hope it's a good one for everyone. When you buy stuff, put a note in your calendar, make it Christmas, day at noon or something like a a list of who wants what and Then, check them off as you receive them a little check mark or stashed in this closet or cupboard or over at Grandma's house or something so that you then remember when you go to wrap everything or prepare the gift giving, that's where those things are, and then you don't forget and especially if you're buying like for multiple grandkids or something and you're trying to keep pricing about the same, we want to try to spend around the same amount at least for the younger kids or something that helps because you can just check things off if you go physically in a store. It'd be all masked and gloves and gown and everything you've got to do social distance and whatnot or online either way when you get the stuff, make note of it, and if you ordering online and there's an option to select you know if this thing if this order contains a gift selected I, know with Amazon, that uses extra charge but they'll make sure that it's in like an Amazon bucks you order something online you get home say what or something for your kid for Christmas you get home with your kid and it's sitting in the front door and it's in a box that displays what it is. That was going to be for Christmas, but here you go early. Yeah little early just say not necessarily speaking from experience but speaking from experience a I I know you've done that it's pretty bizarre but due due at least that I think it'll. It'll help a lot of folks and let's take a call right off the Bat Tom and Dublin Ohio listens to the free into tomorrow podcast Tom I have an apple ipad pro that is approximately four to five years old. And the battery doesn't seem to last very long anymore. My question is what you know if the newer ipads have better batteries that might last longer because that would help me decide if I should replace this one. Well, Tom Batteries are chemical devices and they do wear out. So we don't expect that anyone will guarantee a life span of more than say five years you're likely still face issues even with a five year battery on any new hand-held device there is some. Good news in that batteries wear out after a certain number of charge cycles. The rough number varies between device, of course, but the constant is that fewer ones are better. Since new ipads tend to have larger batteries than older ones and generally better power management. 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"Timber eleventh when insurance companies tried not to pay out claims so when was the next september eleventh. That hasn't happened. Insurance companies loved us. It's a great headline people. Think oh they did something. Meanwhile everyone goes bankrupt. Accept them bruce. Carnegie brown of lloyd's of london has a different set of objections to carolyn maloney proposal rather than just create a kind of pandemic insurance product with government. Our argument has been that that might be yesterday's problem. What if tomorrow's problem is a systemic cyber attack. So why don't we create a product with government that is more flexible and can be used to address particular risks as they arrive. I think the key issue is resilience. Actually resilience is a quality that is much undervalued by our economic models generally around the world. So we've all been taught to grow as quickly as we can. We talk about lean inventories and just in time delivery and extended supply chains and companies valuations typically responded to that way of working and i think we need to find ways to factor more value in to this issue of resilience so interestingly companies when they report the business once a year or even costly make no mention of insurance the protection that they have do not have insurance is not yet embedded in companies thinking about the resilience of their balance sheets and business models. And i think that's a mistake now. I'm talking my book in one sense there for obvious reasons but it does come back to this fact that i think the world is under show and i think insurance can help build resilience against specific events. Happen to that end. Lloyd's has come up. With three forward-looking insurance vehicles the first is called restart restart is very specifically about trying to provide what we call non damage business interruption insurance in other words the kind of business interruption insurance that most firms who had business interruption insurance thought would cover them for the pandemic. But which didn't another idea is called recover re with re standing for reinsurance. Recovery is more of banking product effectively. Dogs that will pay the claim upfront. And then recover it. In premiums collected over subsequent periods of time sort of insurance company meets mortgage lender if you will and the third product is called black swan. Ry blacks one re is really trying to address the fact that some of these events are just too large and so they need government. Engagement carnegie brown as chairman of an insurance firm. Plainly is talking his own book as he admits but the economist risk scholar. Howard con reuther does see value in rethinking. How insurance works especially in rethinking the relationship between private firms and the public sector when it comes to future risks the idea of expanding beyond pandemic is critical and this is an opportunity for us to really reflect on what kind of risks insurance can and cannot provide on a wide variety of different risks. Climate change is certainly one of them and there is exponential growth with respect to co two emissions that will cause major major damage on flood trillions of dollars where there have only been billions in recent years. So let's take advantage of the pandemic to broaden our view of how we deal with catastrophic risk and then say what kind of a public private partnership would we wanna have for looking at all of them janice chucker co proprietor of three brothers bakery and houston is paying some attention to these bigger questions of insurance policy but she is more focused on the smaller issues. The issues she can actually control. When thing about disasters. I tell everyone you get one pity party and no more because you've got to get to work and jucker. Despite her intimate involvement with multiple disasters remains an optimist. I always say i everything bad. Come something good. Including the history of her own small business so the bakery history began about two hundred years ago and poland and the family bait continuously until the nazis came and took the family and frankly the bakery and nineteen forty one and then my husband's grandparents were murdered a notch wits. The survivors eventually made it to houston and they didn't speak english but they knew the language of baking. And so what were they going to do. So they started a bakery and My husband is now. The fifth generation in the family that bakes eastern european style breads pastries etc. We s chucker planning to sue her insurance company over their lack of coverage for the pandemic lawsuits are emotionally draining. And you're working backwards. And so in the case of this is probably gonna be a class action. The lawyers are going to get a lot of money. I don't know that it's worth it for me. It might be worth it for a bar. that's completely closed and lost other revenue. Then i would probably do it. Because what else do you have to do your completely clothes. And how about having state legislatures force payouts. I would be shocked if they legislated that. The insurance companies have to pay business interruption. Because frankly i think they go out of business would jucker considered buying pandemic coverage. Now it would have to be better than what i heard about. Recently i think it was ten thousand dollars. One hundred thousand and coverage. That's just not worth it to me. So what does drucker think would actually be most helpful to small businesses like hers. Vote on a stimulus package. That's the most important think above all else and you know. I'm not saying any political thing on just saying that americans are more concerned about what's in their wallet right now. Coming up next time on economics radio stephen. I really don't like where this energy is now going john mackey. The ceo of whole foods market is a famously outspoken leader. But you know what every time. You get a scar. You try not to do the same stupid thing again. Right mackie argues for thinking differently. About how business is done. He calls it conscious. Capitalism and conscious leadership. How is that holding up. Hold foods is owned by amazon. That's next time on freakonomics radio until then take care of yourself and if you can someone else to radio is produced by stitcher and w productions this episode was produced by zach lipinski. Our staff also includes krill. 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I'm sure he basically was like whatever by me a coffee once in a while like he can't be going on a huge wage there He i don't think i alike was it. Was i think a camping there. Of course yes bribed as a small again on which base money of future past which dc needed because they just sent some to kansas city for international spots. They could break somebody off the injured list. in more. Mls you know we'll get. We'll get to dc united. But but yeah they got some good news this week. After after years of columbus fans wondering will follow him to play with his brother. It's not happening in columbus but this happened close enough another very very busy week of soccer just so many games. I felt like this time around. Things blended a little less together. But there's a lot to talk about that one of the things that the the the playoff start to approach like like the it's permissive enough that there are very few teams that are like actually clearly out of it. What you know. You're starting to see teams attempt to reach their form and and Some of those teams you know we. We joked about it last week but People talking about you say young. Just going to say andrew question for you Which do teams would you say most consistent and the best if you pick one from each conference really only two teams have looked at consistently good and who are they. Seattle centers in toronto are both led the way both head good wins the last two weeks or last week. I don't know nobody knows what we it is or what time it is odd. Now have the i. Now have the rhythm of what's happening with matchdays on the midweek and on the weekend for mls down. But then. i'm talking about them. I feel like one. Week is two weeks which is true. Yes But both had great-aunts Unfortunately josie altidore is His picked up a knock. I think but there were two four to five weeks following hamstring injury injury. So i don't think you know depending on what happens to the playoffs. It'll it'll be another sort of so. In other words. He might be ready to come on for twenty minutes in the final heard. I've never heard this happened before as a as a twenty point. this is. This never been. Josie josie josie fighting through injury in the play. Offs has never been a plot point before. that's good. Were mixing it up complained all like for the past seven months about the you know what is the new normal and some things just are always true. Which is you can always count on seattle and toronto in an mls. Final and josie altidore probably not being match fit probably coming on anyway and probably scoring a goal. Unless this playing the hits. I think legitimately and i think this will become clear. What what to get it again because of the didn't field and because there are so many teams cats with back and forth in terms of form. This is going to be among the The harder playoffs to predict like. I think we're well in. Were well in a position where we could see. Some really surprising teams go deep before a seattle toronto final. It's true which which that's the really crazy thing to me is because if that final does happen it will be even more remarkable given the fact that i mean just about every single team in the league makes it into the playoffs anyway and there's been so many games so many fitness issues like there's a million things that could happen between now in that final game be so are definitely. There's so many things that could happen in. We've seen both seattle in toronto get beaten so we know that. That's a very real possibility in the playoffs. As well with that i With the first game between toronto in philadelphia. I felt that that was kind of like the the two one win. I thought that was a a real. Like playoff test will play takes tests in some ways because you head two teams that i really think could be each other down the road. You had toronto at c. Which has last year flashing moose but kill adelphia which is director. What's trying to do their best to To find a way forward. And then the batch with england was in. I don't know what you call the championship in this case. If it's the if it's the supporters shield It's a classic it felt to me like a classic title season title winning season win where it's like toronto. Fc never really had to get into keer really But like they just got fortunate and it never was an issue for them because you had the You've had in that one you know can all scores the first goal. But it's like you know the commentators like is that a foul foul. I mean he screwed. Hearse go yeah. Yeah i mean like. I love it. Toronto has these lake. Checkout that power. And i'm like for sure as like for twenty year old kid. That's some great upper body strength. It's also super afoul. But yet and then and then new england miss the penalty get was given up after delgado crunched on or no delgado win and still not crunched by win which sucks But you know reps beans were bad. Leeann who think was approaching a milestone wasn't allowed to take the kick that ended up becoming gary troop after books. Put it over. Yeah i mean i to just switch gears for a moment but while we're talking about I feel like new. England was one of the teams that i wanted to pay a little bit more attention to this week. Just in terms of what. I was watching and paying attention to because they've kind of flown under everyone's radar bit but have been quietly quite decent We don't have the same comparison of last year when bruce arena took over and really overnight. Kind of turn them into a good team from being pretty woeful And lee win has really slotted in nicely back into his role there But yes it feels like new england still missing one or two pieces to make them a huge threat but to your point about toronto is i really do like the combination of these two games. The philly game. Which i thought was great message to you about it mainly because i'm not used to watching two teams in the same conference play a really good game of soccer against each other. Where like all of their passes. Were finding a teammate end to end but not because of mistakes and like they were defending and attacking well but philly philadelphia just felt like never quite had that that lethal final touch. I thought the first forty five was really well contested by both teams and then toronto. Just kind of ran away with it. And that's the reason. Why toronto always ends up in the position. They put themselves in is because they. They just worked. So tirelessly you mean the The culture that that vani is brought to the club. I think is is really great. And you mentioned philadelphia kind of preferring their direct game. I think at points it worked for them and you see how playing a fairly simple style of soccer really does work well for philadelphia and a direct attack. Maybe doesn't quite always come off but it does make it very hard to score against them because they're a compact team. They're very well organized. Tronto was still able to do it. And then he just kinda polishing this new england game. I mean that's what championship teams do right as they. They locked the back door and they get stuck in the grind out one. Nil victories are loved in the philadelphia. Game the monteiro. Basically like i am going to hit a powerful shot from forty five yards. And i'm gonna do it four or five times. It's going to happen eventually. Maybe not now fully well in montero's kind of the i feel like the one exception for philadelphia where he really like when they're when you see the buildup play and you can if feels a bit predictable. It's very it is very direct And you're like all right and then they're going to put it out to the wing and then the the slow cross will come in and they will be two players in the box ready to find it you know. They beat a lot of teams because teams are very bad at marking that kind of kind of direct style but toronto was able to do it. but yeah montero brings a bit of just something different where you. He's not don't necessarily know who's going to be kicking even when they don't come off. It's still that philadelphia's. I thought that This game was truly impressive. Terms of is is headed that hits blake and spills in. I decided is. I don't think that you could mess the the second toronto cool puzzle oh is very extremely unmarked on the far post but i guess everybody was planning for it to go. It does go towards the middle than sort of dances free. Yeah i mean it's still. I felt like philadelphia kind of lost their concentration in in the last like twenty thirty minutes of the game. It it still a mistake. It's still one that i think Jim curtin will be wanting back it. It it's just. It's crazy to me that a player like puzzle. Hello can be unmarked in the box at any stage in any game especially against a team like philadelphia where they're usually pretty good on those those types of plays but it just to your comment around it feeling like a playoff game. I really felt like between the two teams are both good but one team is very ready for the playoffs. And the other team probably needs to dig a bit deeper and get into their their real dominating mood. Here's one thing that i will really say about. That is as good as the scoring by committee is They have to act with gas worship. Bill the the union looked dangerous at times but not lot in i in the island that i saw did 'bilka pop up. Maybe once place. Yeah i think The toronto game was a rare not so great. Performance from performance from brenden aaronson is game against cincinnati. Seemed to have no issues at all but yeah he was kind of uncharacteristically quiet during the the toronto game And it looks like he's actually probably headed off to salzburg soon to the red bulls. Well that's awesome. He's he's playing out the season. Yeah yes but it will you know. I hope that That he is able to make something of that in his His final going for seattle on the other side of the thing and the other side of the this this this final that we have imagined From from real events they had they were able to really turn it on of coober After the the first half this'll be a this'll be something that we hear about from vancouver again but any a pretty even first half they were able to really open the floodgates in a period of about Twelve minutes scoring twice getting it on goal Big hoover made it vancouver. Dan Red card really in in you know we can talk about this as well as the san jose game later but saddled seattle coming in castellini. Become count right right right right. Big cal and then cavill Malini calcutta knocking out or not. A second yellow but cavallina got yellow cartoonish right which kicked him out from the earthquake in terms of we double more vancouver later. Seattle performance was one that i have to be didn't Hey good tight. Really take the ability to put team away endured very quickly. Yeah i mean i. I was really surprised. The first half was as close as it was felt like Seattle didn't look as sharp as they normally do. And for just the briefest. Little window of time i was like. Oh well if they're having an off night like we could maybe squeak dry out of this but as seattle so often tends to do is one. They find their rhythm. It's kind of over fruit. Whoever they're playing. And i mean it's why as a whitecaps fan right. Now you dredd to this kind of match seattle is. I mean at least five times team. We are in just about every area on the pitch so for me. This was never a question of. Hey maybe we can win this one. It's like how bad will it be. And it turns out not not terrible A very very fortuitous penalty. Call to give us a goal. Which i think. The sounders fans are rightly aggrieved at but as i said during the game coming this one. Come on lick look. We are not clearly not going to get a shot on goal any other way so this just three one. You're right. it's not a foul not even close whatever. Retirement compare prepare as well That sort of like Pity two shots on target for the chance to say to three shots. Three shots totaled a twenty two for the sounders. What a night out. But compare that as you say maybe even giving the white cap too much in the first half to haldi handled ara sal. Which is you know they have this this golden score early which is a great little move. Don the area. Ed brewed For jordan morris a leader in the second half Game are scores ahead off. It is wide open doing so off of a freekick from ladera Really hold control of at the whole tot New who scores a the ogle's they even spotted one to their opponent. Yeah yeah this game from you is a real highlight of. Just where seattle is that. And you know. I think usually probably people would say you know our s. l. doesn't really stand much of a chance there. I thought our cell played great game for the most part. I thought they did a lot of things. Well and i was really surprised that it was so close. You're right in terms of it was really kind of in seattle's control for most of it. The the few chances are s olga of half chances and they had to do a lot of defending. I was pretty happy with the way our assault defended. But it comes down to you. Know to errors Just not being quick enough on the ball. The first goal is one of those ones where it's like. Maybe somebody can get out a little faster. Maybe somebody should be marking jordan morris. A little tighter. But jordan morris is gonna go where he wants to go is very hard to mark and the shot is just such a deft piece of stricter ship striker them that is thoroughly deserved and really the only from seattle is this own-goal where news coming charging in on across that admittedly from his angle. Probably doesn't look like it's just gonna fly through the box but really a ball that when you're running as when you're centre-back running towards your own goal to block across like you've gotta be really a lot more sure footed sliding in hoping to make contact with the ball is how you scored own-goal And that happened but for ourselves side. I thought they played a pretty good game and overall looked to be a much stronger side. This season was a great example of how seattle regardless of the type of team. They're playing always just seemed to be in contravention D we mentioned gonzala. Guede miami up the top. They had that first goal. The first game where eat wayne was able to find the net. They had another match where That was fully goals all in the first half where they were not able to find joy when they lost three two to new york city with city scoring. Nickel lewis morgan draws back of course another all lewis. Morgan draws back But eventually they were this week. He leaves to york red bulls able to not only beat new york but Eguaveon gut that i saw. I got a push alert about it. Of course amyloidosis is thirsty for this But they were able to break through. Israel's yeah and i felt like last week. My criticism of miami was just looking very frail defensively and in midfield as well and that. I thought they did much much better in this game. Granted against an opponent that has looked pretty frail fence and midfield at times. But this yeah it. We haven't seen too many games with inter miami. Where all the pieces come together. And you're like Yes the team that it looks like. They were building in full effect. Because there's so many weeks where it just hasn't quite come off But you've got you know. I'm pellegrini draws level. The red bulls score. I in this game in a goal that looked kind of offside to me but the red bulls showing some fight. Not long after that Pellegrini levels it and then ego gets the final word in with this filter. Free kick which you know is a good distance but just i mean as far as free kicks go but as perfect as one can place one with the power and the bend on it Gets himself mark. And so where miami has been slow to have their their high performance players perform to their full levels. I think things look good for them. If egoyan's able to to continue his form. I saw the goal line clearance early in this from blaze which eighty yes. I thought you know he was almost an afterthought in the deal. Despite being you know a very major player in his own right The sort of one of the you'll you'll see when somebody get signed than a molested a teammate of there's pops up as well but when i saw that goal line clearance in some of the other work that he was able to do. It's just like what if this is the real. Get away and i would argue it. Is you know like as we've talked about with the nashville expansion sides. That built a release strong back line. I think fair pretty well because you can wait for the goalscoring stuff to come. We've seen that with teams before one of our biggest criticisms with her beloved whitecaps is like look. If you're not scoring goals you're not scoring goals but holy crap. Lock it up at the back. Like building team defensively first and then gambles orients teams. Like i mean like spoke out front for any number of years and hope for the best and wherever really workout. So yeah i think really is is the get. Certainly certainly if you're trying to find a way to make your your star signing Field how If you can prize another player out of preventive you in a midfielder you you may as well This was also the first. This was also the first game for gerhard stronger. The new york red bulls manager who they paid a fee to get off barnsley from championship rate. Yeah and not a not a great debut for him. I mean yeah for me. I wish i had more to say about the red bulls. I feel like. I've been trying all season to come up with something more interesting to say about them and really trying to give them a fair shake but you know watching them play. We can week out. I've yet to really see you know an entire game of a complete performance from them. Even some of the games they've won and it it's. He's got his work cut out there. It's to me the talent that they have on the field how it's just not resulting in the final product. But you know we had this conversation last season in the offseason about like you know. New york red bulls is getting rid of all their best players. Well turns out that really did hurt them. This their neighbors new york city after beating miami went on to put dc united in the ground Four one A a match are really weird. Game because dc gives up the penalty like in the second minute It seems really soft and then it almost feels like they get spotted one. Oh absolutely okay. We need yeah. I call on julian wrestle like it's an arm in the back but it's like such such a soft call Very very frustrating especially so early in the game and then it's drew fisher. I believe was the the referee in this game bob to check that but like almost immediately goes and calls a penalty on the other end which is again incredibly soft. So you have the game start with do penalty and that second one. Bill need like gets a hand on it and but can't stop it from going into the goal all this and john that scores that right for new york city i think so and then not jewish rowdy right but but cassiano scores the first peak and then he drew and then he gives up the second. Pk ray oh yes. And then jewish. Roddy scores the third. Pk because there were three penalties in this game. Oh my god. Because that's just a normal thing in soccer three penalties but only one of them was a penalty. Yeah sure right so you had these two penalties and then in the third. I could see you would get confused because there were three in the span. Mobile differ if if if that had been saved As it was you know they go through halftime one and then even even before the goals started to come again it was. They were just giving way too much. I think to To new york in terms of opportunities you know like a real shooting gallery in Much like seattle exploded for three in the second half well. And i really don't now where things quite went wrong for decent. Yeah like i get the don't have rooney and the you know they've they've lost some really key pieces of their squad and i feel like they've done a good job of bringing in players as well but they're defending just looks so frantic at an. It's like. I know that there's been times where we've seen that. But i really kind of knew that dc was not having a good season. But i sort of scratch my head as to how they ended up in this position In what would prove to be benson's final game with them as head coach. It may be kind of of to sailors. But i kind of feel that they more than i. I don't know you say more than the other team. Lots of teams would be impacted by the pandemic. But if you're if you're looking at a team that made two acquisitions Really wanted to sort of integrate into the team and then had the season cancelled. Two games. him. If you're looking at eighteen that wins game star game played again Took a lot at a number of injuries to key players Not to say that hasn't been tough and it's been tougher middleton before and Fisher but yeah. I mean paul areolas arguably their best player. And he's out injured for the season. So stephen cooper reported after After they failed to win a game with rudy in the playoffs. also was almost fire last year. So he's kind of on the A little bit on the chopping block. Yeah and i've been glad to see. Most of the reaction is gratitude to bennetons incredible tenure there and also a. It's time it can be time to move on and you can also be kinda sad that it things didn't work out better in that. It's the end of an era. I mean the stat is incredible. Seventy one point one percent of dc united games and mls. Ben olsen was either playing or coaching. That's that would be absurd if it was a new expansion. T the fact that it's dc united is crazy to me. I don't know if you count. I don't know what you can in terms of one club. A one club player Whether or not his his brief stint at nottingham forest would would preclude him from that. But i also think he was on loan so he never left he never left the organization hectically And if you look at it that way it's like what the He has essentially been with the team since ninety eight. Yeah he was a player he hears that is player there. He retired in In october of two thousand nine it was hired as an assistant in january was head coaching By august of two thousand ten in it is just. It's not sort of like a sir. Alex ferguson multiple decade decades day but in the modern world of pro sports. What is in It's i think the wrecked occur record is verbis who has one more year on them. is currently still there. Peter vermes kurt russell their sporting kansas city. He has been a mainstay in. Mls both for you know playing coaching giving wild quotes. And the if you look at the erez that he's road road through In terms of them getting out feel getting wayne rooney having some truly awful seasons and then masterminding decent turnarounds and still winning trophies It's been quite the ride. Certainly has been. Yeah yeah i mean it's it's definitely a little little sad. We always like to to see the the long standing Players and coaches stick around but he will be sing with the organization. Which i think is interesting in like pretty unprecedented to like. Lose your job. I mean there's very few times when a decided to mutually part ways or mutually decided to part ways is actually true and not just code for firing but to be like all right. It's time to move on but also you will have some role within the club. So i think that that's that's good to to acknowledge that you know. There's it's fair to say. Dc kind of is ben olsen. But yeah they probably need to move on from that however you don't wanna just throw away all of that experience and insight into your team and and vision and as you said like it. It's not like it's been easy for him. He's he's had very up and down seasons with them but that that's a huge amount of experience that you have to see the good the bad and the ugly of your team. I have a hot take of the organized this thing in the organization thing to hear it. I'd love to hear it. Forty three little early to retire club. Hasn't i i mean i. I don't think i. I think the as long as he wants to work there he should be able to work there and certainly Other than the forest. He's never looked at risk of ending up anywhere else. But you know where he. He's needed red bulls man. Well i guess eastern conference rival the he would never he would. Never because he's of he wouldn't he wouldn't ever. There are great. There's a great piece. I wanna say last here about how. The rebels rivalry his has slowly receded from view but attention but from the people who are you. Where's the law. But of the people who remember it it's still burns in the fire of their. It still burns in the fire. Their souls That roundworm yet. So i don't think he would ever do that. I don't think you'd end end dea. The position was was up anyway but That would that. Would that would have been funny if it would've happened. I think i think he could still he could. He still has managing in absolutely. And i don't know. I don't know if this is a scenario where you see it's mls. Every coach is going to have bad years. Like i get the decision absolutely like you know the the winningest coaches and mls still had multiple years. Where their teams are terrible. Like you stick around long enough. Mls you're going to have a terrible. Unfortunately his of his biggest doesn't eight the ninety nine before as a manager. It's the order. He goes as taking line But it'll be interesting to see what comes next for dc and and how they continue to move into a new era. We are constantly talking about the being in a new era. But it's clear that as you know as important as the arrival of wayne rooney and the open body field was that year. It's like this is the hinge point. It almost feels like not that. Yeah it yeah. You're right. And i mean they're they're academy hasn't been cranking out tons of players and a well regarded academy but we've yet to see that that pipeline develop as much as as with some other teams so there's significant work to do with this organization. I mean the good thing is the got the stadium out of the way so you know they got some attention their way because of the rooney signing a little bit higher profile for you know probably some bigger names than they might have been before but i think it is a bigger turning point in many ways. They have a huge decisions to make. About which way. They want to go with their team. And i'm very curious to see who ends up. Being on their their shortlist of choices for coach Some big results around the league montreal squeezed out a very controversial win against columbus For me this was kind of like an unfortunate result from a really good scrappy. Game that i felt like if if it was just allowed to play. Probably it's a one one draw. Maybe one team is able to take all three points from it but it. It's just it's not a penalty and the fact that it's called is not a penalty and then var says no. It's a clear and obvious error. And then they rescind that decision. I it's just. It's so like nerve. Jangling var is used to overturn the correct call on the pitch You know. I have a hot take do it. It was the right call. Day day consists the the commentators tried to essentially paint Bojan as as backing into the foul. But i don't think the data is important. He's still gets pushed over in the penalty area. If you if you wonder if is if it is his fault he gets pushed over the penny routier if you if you wonder whether or not the attacker intended to push him over in the penalty area i think the certainly part of the critique of far has been did did it slows everything down to slow motion in in a little bit out of the of of the context of things. When you're looking at it that way but certainly when you're looking at it in slow motion get pushed over behind the area. I will give you this much rather than do the typical sports thing of just agreeing with you. I think i'd need to see it again. Today is when i watched it. It looks very soft. And i think boy on is going over. I think he does get a little push. And i think he's looking for that penalty the whole way and to me. That's a finer line. Maybe that's where Compromises it's a finer line of whether it's a penalty or not when a player on the attacking player knows it's going to happen is looking for the contact waiting to go over. I mean he. He does back into the player and the player extends his arm and pushes him. But for me boyens going over when that happens like he's already a off centered if it was the if there was like feet on feet and there is like tripping going on a bit but for me. It's just it's it's like. You're to not be able to like touch a player in the penalty box. I mean if economic Dharma guy and score then. I feel like you as a defender should be allowed to like. Use your arms a bit and we've seen penalties where there's a lot more pushing going on and the penalties get your so i guess for me. I'm just like if it seems rather soft. And if this is a pk then i feel there should be ten others. That were called the season but what else is new. It's it is concerning the major talking point here should be columbus as a team that up until a few weeks ago had conceded. Two goals in the season is now starting to to give them up at not an alarming rate. It's still a pretty good Goal difference for them but Huge win for montreal. And you can sense. Caleb puertas frustration. And and you know maybe certain to get a little bit unsettled with his pretty impenetrable. You look at the first goal to. I think that this is less. I think it says less about combats on a whole that it does about now. Montreal is a real team right now. That needed some good news and had this this first one where they it's like there. I think it's like the columbus defender like obviously handballs but a baptist back to a player scores. Which i think is like to columbus's benefit in the long-run because had had the gold knock on in it would have been a denial of an obvious goalscoring opportunity. The player had been sent off. Yeah i had a bit. I had one of those like breen splitting moments or mike. Okay the gotta handball. But the balkan back afterwards but he scored it so we split the difference and allow the goal or do we call it back from the point at like. Just almost got the allegation. Not this one. But i'm very fine with just being like yes. It's a handball but he scores the goal. The goal stand weirdos. It is i guess it's not of an obvious goalscoring opportunity if the goal was scored right. And that's the thing i'm like. Which goal are we talking about. Are we talk about the goal that would have been scored had his hand or the goal that was scored after it is the goal and simultaneously scored and and we won't know until open. The box analysts schrodinger goal scored and not scored at the same time man. But it it was. It's great for montreal. He said you don't know what you're going to get with montreal. And their total chaos team. But it's a good win for them. And i'm glad because i want to see terri. On re stick around for a bit numb last and he certainly seems more comfortable with with this team in with this league so I'm glad to see them win. And an overall montreal. Yes concertedly be chaos at times. But they're they're fun to watch The they really times have such a just fun. Never say die attitude of just like. Hey guys. I don't know maybe we could win this game. Let's all just run at the other team and see what happens. Can i can. I just hit you with Montreal goals scored by number eighty seven erwin schrodinger limit loud. I all you're right about sort that run forward and see what happens mentality in. I think also guest. Artists scored one with his shannon. This game yet. That one. That one i i was like who is that a handball. That's very high. But it just like the chimney pinballs around off defenders and then comes off his chin for what is probably the strangest gore goal hill score Elsewhere in the league houston got a huge result in the texas rivalry They want to nothing over dallas. I thought this was a massive massive thing for houston especially after trading at least the way they also brought in a replacement toot sweet The to darwin's came up big. Darwin quintero gotta goal. Darwin seren google. They also got a guy sent off for terrible tackle so you know winning a game against rival being a man down. Dallas has been very good especially defensively. I thought this was a really big statement of intent from houston and shows that they're they're far from it. They certainly can look at times but this for me was a great game. Also say too. There's a lot of because in my notes. I was looking through and like there's a lot of like that's not a penalty. That's just stupid. I thought it was agree. A well reffed. Game which with l. faff is something that doesn't always happen but i thought he was going to say. Yeah that's that's high praise going for his merrill l. fan but i thought that he did a good job he let the teams play. The red card was a very easy call to make Indefinitely the right one And i believed that was far checked as well. I think it was a yellow to begin with so just it all worked out well. I think it's important to note the boring times are when all the calls for the most part are good and things are well raft. Don't talk about those ones. So throw that one data an interesting point you know we were so we overlooked said So many times though the the easy ones with that if you had this week anitta little drought nashville minnesota. Another nail nail between atlanta orlando. Was there any from the previous match day. That was that was a nobel between new england and national the previous matchday At least you had la galaxy vs portland chamber where their goals in that game too. I think there is soaked up. All the goal. I that's my it was nice of nashville and orlando and atlanta to gift olive their goals to la galaxy in portland for their game. Nine goal rackham sock and boppers. Just while dane. Yeah i'd rather like honest saying this. I watched the highlights to this game twice. Because it's just desperately trying to come up with some other note than just like shake head g Okay so in the movie. The movie snatch Boris the bullet dodger has definitely been shot but dense freeze. Character is in desperate characterised. Trying to figure out the situation and boris screams at. I'm not dead yet. And farina's character shoots in two more times and then he said i'll still dead shoots again. I feel that this was kind of the rhythm of this game. In which in which which established was a guy ritchie two-goal cushion on and then in the course of the ensuing gang conceded three goals. And you'll never guess what happens next. This is mario andretti. You know me as a racecar driver. I'm also a meals on wheels volunteer. I've raced against the sport's biggest personalities. But i've never met more vibrant amazing people than the seniors served by meals on wheels. You can make a difference by dropping off a hot meal and say a quick. Hello so america. 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You need every advantage to succeed. Smart companies run on net suite by oracle the world's number one cloud business system. Schedule your free product to a right now at net sweet dot com slash fox net sweet dot com slash box. This game. i mean. Honestly i felt like at least two of portland's goals could have been called off so i think that they were somewhat lucky in that regard and maybe the damage was greater than it. It could have been but it portland is such a a head scratcher. Great to be able to put away six goals giving up the three which one of them. I thought the Pavone scores the second or third from outside the area. The third right. Yeah and he's a great little. Turn not wanna go. That is a great goal. What what what can you really do about it The other two. I thought were pretty soft. And it's just. It's really got to be a little alarming for several essay. That at this point portland is still just giving up and goals per game. That just seem easy That being said the fact that they're able to just score goals will it seems and on so many Is good however a six three win might sound good but when you think about the playoffs coming up and and being that leaky at the back i feel like you have to have some other strategy than just outscore the other team regardless of how many goals have been scored up to that point you. They've got really need to tighten things up at the back. I felt like steve clarke had really uncharacteristically poor performance. There's two that. I thought he just didn't seem to know where the ball was coming from. And i don't know if it was maybe a bit of miscommunication with defenders just looked kind of shaky and out of it but i mean what are you even say about the galaxy in this game. Yeah i agree with you. You have to give it as as a requirement to be. You know tighter defensively. You have to think that most times if you're going to be giving three goals to the galaxy that you're not gonna win the game. It helps to store twice that. I guess this is. This is the. don't use it. you could just. You could just swim in goals like this. You think that in some cases is a defensive lapse with that first goal more. Hit a lot of time to about seven yards out to score it on the fourteenth minute. The second from a bogus. He comes from a free kick. Which i wonder whereby push alert was for that yup. I thought the this this the third portland goal an extreme now. It's not a goal. There's this there's this tremendous of portland goal. Likelier did his. It bounces off of mob torso i it has to be cleared again which was which was very messy defensively for portland but in terms of like you know diagnosing things the attack or a diagnoses. The defense of la. It's like valeri scores. This goal where he is at a diagonal and facing away from the goal instill chip japan. I don't know that you. I don't know what you could have done about that situation. No it's true. I i think that at least two of portland's schools are goals that would have beat anybody so in fairness to l. a. There's that but they just look a complete mess. And i mean for for a brief little window. There really looked like things were gonna come together for them and really looked like a different squad in terms of mentality and and defensive ability but boy that seemed to be a thing of the past this week the The fifth one portland is the one week. Elliot's like ooh. Ooh yeah and reminds me if like cincinnati at times. We've got like eight players all clumped together with a swarm opponent surrounding them. And you've got eight players watching the guy with the ball. It's like that is not do. You wanna maybe look at where the ball might be going next. No okay all right all right. No problem that and allowing free headers in the box if there was a twenty twenty. Mls defense in one line. It's free headers in the box. This year just got one for philadelphia. This week is just insane. Like you've got these big tall is just waiting. And they'll be a defender on either side and then they'll just look up and watch them headed in. So what are you gonna do. It's true and that was after you know. I completely missed the fact that they also lost to the galaxy. Also lost to san jose right. Yeah that was added. I san jose asserted the beginning of their fortunes. Changing really came in at a very strong performance against l. a. And the it'd be both that's right beadle. Afc decided why not will Will complete the la sweet hearbeat galaxy and then went on to vancouver whitecaps for three goals unanswered. Just like gold times. I see this is where the this is where the The trick is is the. I had continuously been thinking of them. Not that much change to the interim but it's like all their forum is so terrible they lost five one they lost heaven one or whatever. It was five nothing You hope in the in the situation that Vancouver finds themselves that if you've got to have teams if you had two teams that both are giving up five one six one scorelines. Maybe this is your opportunity to get a result. You know the seven one loss to seattle takes on lost portland five five. Nothing lost to colorado. But if you think about it now. They've won their last three it. Certainly it was a another really frustrated. One for vancouver. Where like the seattle game day on the whole i i but again this is a team. Where if you before this little hot run the him going on. It's like you think this is if if vancouver is having a rough season you can at least have two teams that are on the same level of roughness. Go out in the most that they're able to make out of this you know is is i think fifty. It's like forty one percent possession or something in the first half. It's like day are not as patsy fin earlier in the season in terms of creating. No chances but i don't think anything's A very special in the first. And then this just terrible secrets in a in trying to find where the red cards plural. I am the goals all lineup. But it's rose i for a second yellow. I believe right. Yes he's pulling the arms no Espinosa scores i t's. He's got time to to think that one of the things that i noticed about v. Cover here is how. It's like their combat. Ding san jose's may market system by marking domain at all in terms of the opposite of men marking terms of like the defenders have to stay both several vendors. Have to stay in the sand right. And they're bolted to place it's like they're bolted to where they think they've been told they should be. They give espinosa lots of time to turn around for the first all. And then dan it's rose getting sent off at the second yellow And then the second goal from alright. Fiero i had it written in my notice. Fiero plays into andy riaz rios. Who is he acres of space between the cap's defence. The midfielder's again with this issue. If you look at it there are two perfect lines. the whitecaps are formed. Beaned invalid one by on the six yard line one just just like it just about the top of the box so much between those do yeah. There's there seems to forever be a disconnect between the backline in the midfield that whether it's defending or going forward it it just everybody seems to be on a on. A different page is really really weak. Performance from the whitecaps yes. The refereeing wasn't fantastic. Eric sent-off that red card has been rescinded. But let's not pretend that this game was lost because of referee game games lost because the whitecaps are terrible. Right now and there. There is really nothing in this performance. I mean you had to feel the three. One loss to seattle was somewhat inevitable. We're gifted penalty. We took it. That's that's great. That's something at least but you want to anytime. You're getting something like we can't even improve over that performance. Then we go to a team that we should have at least had a chance against. I didn't. I thought we were going to lose this game as well but To to just kind of you know. I don't want to see capitulate. Because i think it's disrespectful to the players that are flying and literally risking their lives to play sport for entertainment but it. It's just it's bad. Unfortunately my conclusion that i keep coming back to is just that they're just not a good enough quality side. I don't think that there's A coach in the world that could come in and get a lot more out of this current team. There's definitely tons of factors and think it's a simple matter of anything of as to why any teams struggling this year but it was to another just really disappointing. Set of games from the whitecaps with virtually nothing to redeem them. You you can maybe look at it. I'm trying to find who had the quote that For marco santos where he says. I'm not able to get the pressing the way that i want them to And that's a problem. Which which which like. I think that the more. I kind of look at it took you kind of have to the disconnect. Are these wonderful plans that contain remade for for dealing with teams on the can't be executed by the players. And i want to be. The one would think using newly radically singleton janitor for in the second edition so like player. Quality is not necessarily the issue low. Well researchers i sorry. It's a his ability to teach his ideas to two players that have the ability to execute him is not necessarily issue. Sure no i i agree. It is also like he picked these players right. I get it but at the same time. It's like well what's the answer here like. What's the way forward. I mean i get that you know getting a practice getting practice time. The whole team is a a very difficult thing to do. I get that there's a lot going on but it just there's so many different individual and collective parts that don't work. It's very hard for me to accept that it's not scientists fault because there's so many for all the little pieces that are going wrong and incredibly difficult job to do but the club is his at this point. He's completely remade. It in his image and were were worse now than we were before. So i mean. I'm not gonna say that like he hasn't brought in better players in some positions but overall it. When you see are starting eleven. Even when we've got everybody fully healthy you put against just about any other team in mls and you just look at it and you go. We still feel like kind of be squad. We don't have a proper full starting eleven of strong like players who are going to perform consistently. There's so many question marks every almost every single player and it's not that they're bad it's just that they're not good enough and the the level that they're playing is not high enough for this league and the story. The the last thing. I just wanted to squeeze into the remarkable part to me is the players are coming to the games consistently performing better if not you know. Overall great are draft picks and academy products. For the most part. I agree with that and also make clear that the reason why i mentioned that is because the the issue is is your point about the the players not get the players. Starting good enough is that it's but regardless of who's you know quote unquote fall. Today's it's clearly not working. And i don't know how many more games when you see you know ben also get fired or you see the people that got fire late season last year. It's still a weird. It's still very weird. So i guess you can't i i still have the is still have the tenets chill soccer in my mind in it to be like levelheaded about it. It probably doesn't make sense to fire mark to santos right now like you might as well write it out till the end of the season probably won't make the playoffs and then makes it very easy to let him go and justify that decision and if we do by some miracle we get knocked out early you know okay we can say we met one target and maybe there's something to build on. I think short short of making it to the playoffs and winning a game to santos finished. But i think a pragmatic thing to do is let him finish out the season. I mean best case scenario. It's going to take you two months to get a coach in any way. So unless you're willing to have his brother takeover. You have to fire the entire coaching staff basically with mark santos and it's very hard to replace people right now in canada's even more strangely positioned because it can be very difficult to get the rate work visas for somebody if they're international I think to santa suits time is done but it will be the offseason when that's meet official unless a miracle happens. I think that's true. I think that now. I guess. I don't if it's it's this year's game or next year game or what have you but i think that one of the other critiques that you could give is it you. I'm looking at the transfers of who's come in the summer and maybe seattle. Maybe you know roman torres gonna go back to seattle. Maybe you know obviously is. They wanted the sent him out. Were you in terms of ex players. Were not gonna resign. Kakuma or or learn lee win. But it's like if you look at you know how columbus getting grant willard for miami dc. Getting actually you're berg from columbus the defender emmanuel boating. It's like you can just get defenders. You can it's it's been challenging and i know that the location issue is a problem and i know that nobody is is in a great in terms of revenue but as as challenging as the whitecaps defender issues have been. Nobody is stopping them from going on. And there's been and there's some good sires available like that's that's been kind of maddening thing and i really do feel for them in terms like marco. Santos basically is the scouting department. And i get that. That's that's difficult job to do because it's not the one he was hired to do However it he is his say and to me. It's like are you just looking too far afield for the next big young south american signing. Who's gonna come in and then you can turn around and sell at a profit or are you not actually looking at pieces. Within the league now in fairness they've been signing academy products bringing some great players into the team usually those you can kind of scoff at and be like well. They're not gonna make the first team but they have this year. And you know in terms of baldy samoan. I think times times proposal is well. They've looked better than any of their older counterparts. Those are actually those have been good signings and you know the the successive thomas. Sowell's another another one until his unfortunate injury so it's it's certainly not a like the whole structure stinks you know. There's little tiny elements working. It ain't much and it really does feel like you know nothing against what marco santos has accomplished but like if you wanna talk about availability of talent in mls. There's lots coaches you can get experience. Coaching stop screwing around. Get somebody who with experience coach this team. Mls experience or higher. And all the i. I think you know it can be eased. I i did this on twitter. And i saw other people doing it is getting into the fuck getting into the despondency of thinking like who can we beat right now and that's that's defeatist thought. Because we have had good wins this year. But it's like you know we couldn't be category last year so we could. We could even be at the top level of. Cpi free went down there in when you start talking like that you know other people are doing. It's like you know. I'm completely checked out or whatever i want to be clear i you know you have the the the how it started. How's it going. I was looking at old. I was looking at old quotes found a a facebook post march eighteenth. Two thousand nine. Andrew bates is so pumped on vancouver. Mls twenty eleven. And in if i go back and i think of that you know of that time of of of i see the cloud in in i experiencing the joy being fan. I am glad there is soccer. Hoover and i don't want the whitecaps to go away or anything it's just in in. I never. I never wanted to come to that when we talk about the challenging nature of supporting the team right now in terms of how hostile at times they have felt too early. Would we how they continue to have moves like you know Firing the c o in and the continued mishandling of the dish. You the cropped up last year with the the accusations of misconduct. It's i in in how that went in terms of what happened with anthony blundell. I'm it's really hard to support the specific whitecaps that we have right now but even though it's challenging things can be challenging for us. It was very challenging for toronto for a long time and none of this. None of this is what is on twitter. There is a little bit of public vented. None of this is is dampening my overall resolve. It's just hard it is. Yeah yeah no i mean. I think that there are brighter. Days ahead for the whitecaps and it's probably not with many players in our current roster nor with mark santa's leading the team. That's how i feel about it. I think it is gonna take something different. And you know. I felt this way when dos santos was brought in. I think that it was not giving him enough credit. But one of my worries was. I'm tired of pudding. Chances on promising young coaches and hoping youth houston. The team and youth and the coaching staff is going to to do the trick. And mike kind of argument against marco tra- santa's was like yes. I know that he's played at some Coached at very high levels and had some success but they weren't mls and mls is a different beast not necessarily better but it is a different beast. He was unproven and mls and that was major. Worry is that we were still taking on a project. That may not work out. And i think it's fair to say at this point it hasn't really worked out so it and it's not again like and i really grew to like marco santos and liked his approach. And i appreciate having somebody that just really gets and such a soccer nerd at the head of the club. I love it but the press conferences have gotten kinda rough where you know. He's he's very cagey in defensive. Before anybody's even asked a question when he's asked appointed question about something that's a real concern kind of acting a bit baffled than it's the same as this body language on the touchline when his team get scored against any severe with the coaching staff and they all suddenly stand up there looking at each other and scratching their heads. And it's like come on guys this basic set piece defending here like why are you. Why are you so confused about what just happened like whoa. I mean that being said i get story. Short is just because you said it's going to happen as well. Other things are going. Well spikes been great. That's the that's the history with With wages managers isn't it. Is you know them reacting defensively with when things are going poorly to say listen. I'm very smart. This was a good plan. But you still exactly. I get it. It's kind of a circular conversation. What do you say like well trying. I did tell them to do something different. And as you can see. They did not do that thing. But it's the kirk coach of this team. This is what i have to deal with. Sporting kansas city picked up a couple of wins to houston when nothing against chicago. La to see plays. Actually i didn't i don't see 'em rescheduled did they. Not where were they just abo by week l. Afc the ourselves everyone were they. Oh it was rapid galaxy Was the most recent one against his rain. I think i think you're right. It's the day was supposed to play on wednesday against L. ese and then. Tomorrow's game has been canceled because the the outbreak at the the covid. Nineteen outbreak at the rapids is continuing Width one new confirmed positive case in the rapids playing pool. Shoot everyone well there. Hopefully everyone recovers quickly and can get back to playing live your life. They continued risk fit. Teams face for it to play is continuing to be worrying. It's eh move closer closer to playoffs. You know as bad as the was you. You see things like that. You quite good knew that ended with the tournament. And you know this is only i think of. Because there's a lot of hype recently around Who's gonna win the supporter shield toronto. Fc is points off the pace. And it's like wadi is the fucking point of the supporters at this point and it. This season saw point general's noting but it's like like what are the twenty twenty order field. Me yeah yeah no. It's it's ridiculous. I i mean again it. We are clearly all in. Denial and this entire season is like there were three parts and we are just pretending that somehow all the competition was equal. And we're going to have a playoffs. That only eight teams. Don't participate in. That's totally normal and fine and good and at the end of it we will be able to say yes. This is the best team in almost like we are all being completely delusional about it for the sake of having a sport. So if you if you don't award the cascadia cup because supporters are not present. I don't see why you award the supporters shield when most of those games have piped in supporters. Yeah it feels. It's just weird. It's weird and bad weird and bad speaking of things that were weird in bad the The us and there you go perfect the us l. has has find earn. His is issued a six band to junior fleming's phoenix rising exceed for an incident that cropped up essentially right after we got off the phone call Last three yeah. Yeah minutes after we had wrapped up our last episode and post post. Post game chatter. I just happened to see a tweet about an incident that happened between san diego loyal and phoenix. Rising and i was like doesn't us l. Put all the games on youtube so went and found the full match kind of went to roughly when the incident might have occurred and watched. Just an insane. Like fifteen minutes on fold That i still like the lot has happened. Since but i really struggled out my head around how it even happened but it was go ahead. There was a really troubling awful incident. In which the junior fleming used a who denies it. He denies it but the club accepts the findings of us investigation. Did he use a homophobic remark on the field against Colin martin who came out when he was playing for minnesota united is gay and the what unfolded in that fifty minutes. Retro time is get fleming uses. What i'm i think is identical slaying Slur and call martz's. He said he he just used to koestler or something. The referee heard the word. Gay and red-carded college martin so landon donovan fresh for forfeiting the loyals one one draw the previous week because of a A racial slur used by elegance to member Storms on the field in is basically losing it. As i think you know everybody who understood the sequence must've been that they want. How can this be happening in in it has. It has made a lot of news. I'm i'm really glad that the us l. were able to to have an investigation. I think it really bothers me. Still the d. player that you know you had the owner of phoenix rising on twitter that night so much so much even as you know you even as like the actual news events of the player being you know put on hold by the club of the of the coach. Going on leave were happening at the same time. As people's twitter timelines were still regurgitating. Sixteen year old of player statements that they were making in the middle of the night. So you'd have like the player statement where he says. I didn't say a homophobic slur. And i never would say anything like that and then the i think that must have been before d. sportscenter audio leaked where the referee says. Oh i heard a thing that you allege that he sad. I just didn't know that it was. I didn't know that it was a slur in. I can't jump to conclusions. Even though i red carded you because i heard you say the word gay. Yeah which is like sort of like also admitting that you're just not good at your job. But i guess that's better than than not i mean. There's so much that we can talk about here. And i i mean i don't know there's it's really worth getting coach thing talk about the real quick kisses. The coach thing is landon donovan. I feel he does storm the field in his livid. But i also think he's very controlled in his reactions and that he's trying to separate and he's he's also he goes onto the pitch to get his players off the pitch. So what makes this slightly different than just a coach running onto the field and honestly if he ran onto the field death i would have been fine with it but it just the yeah he. He goes on the pitch pulls his players off And then he's on the the sideline having conversation with the referee and the phoenix. Rising coach explaining what went on. And the the thing about this. That makes it so crazy. Is that the the coach. The phoenix rising coach. Whose name is alluding me. But it's chance. I believe cats rick chance like right after the game tweeted like my comments didn't mean this and he was. He was positive sports. era video. telling landon donovan. You know They're just out there trying to compete. You know you're you're causing a scene. Have you ever played soccer before to the person who holds the us. Men's national team goalscoring record. Well and then. He's kind of like defenses comments because he was like i didn't like didn't mean it like i wasn't trying to defend this the use of the slur and say that it was normal to to say Homophobic things in the course of a game. But it's like that clip is from the game. That was all captured live. The cameraman on the sideline who deserves a all kinds of journalism words and raises for catching it. All clearly captures the entire conversation between the match. Official landon donovan and rick chance. And it's pretty clear in the course of that. That landon donovan. Specifically says he called him gay. He's a gay player and the coach. Just brushes it off. Here's now about abba thing. I want to say about that about his specifically about his defense to me it amounts to. I didn't want to say that you are wrong protesting. I was unhappy with the way you did it in to me. That defense is is a negligible distinction to say to say. I didn't mean to say that he was wrong was wrong in the way that he defended. This player is essentially the same thing. Yeah and given like i. I think the focus should really be on the that colin martin's response the team's response. Landon donovan's response. Which rightly the thing getting the most attention. Which was you know. This is a really big important game for san diego loyal but they felt like they didn't do enough to support their player the previous week when a racial slur was used and so they decided as a team that they would take action. They would try to make something more meaningful and actually had planned a moment. I think won't believe in the seventy first minute. They were going to stop the game with phoenix rising and take a stand together to come. The second half for another incident happened and they forfeited an incredibly important game. So and the defense but nothing happened or the you know it was the way. Landon donovan dealt with things. It's like they were winning this game and could have just said you know what we'll take this and we'll just beat you guys instead and i think like that that was definitely an option available to them and instead said no. We're stopping everything and we like. We just can't do this again. And landon donovan right. Even his visceral anger on the pitch. It's clearly saying that everyone like we're not doing this again. And you know in his his postgame comments is truly one. Play the great moments for a soccer coach. He's just. I mean he's he's tired. He's emotional but also just saying like we missed an opportunity to support one of our players in the game when the incident happened last time so we resolved to not do that again. Which one we're talking about change and we're talking about meaningful change actual accountability to see soccer. Coach get fat and go. We didn't do right by our player so even though it happened to one of our players from another team saying the thing we decided collectively as a team we needed to better support our players and it happened the next week and so they decided to to take action. And i mean it's it's been on a wild week for for both clubs but one of the things that has resulted from it was a joint statement from both clubs where it was clear that they met and discussed what happened and rick. Chance came out with accountability statement about the steps. He would personally take to better educate himself which were very specific and I think thoughtful and then also for the two clubs to say together. You know they were going to work together to try to make some changes in the league to try to get something good to come out of this. Just really awful moment Aren't i think you know weight. Certainly when you're in landed almonds position you have a tremendous burden when you are essentially like a co founder of the club and a soccer legend in the coach. You have a tremendous amount of privilege to take this action in. He is doing it. And i think that one of the things that is I think key to the way as you say. Look his his statement the interview that you know being disappointed that they didn't do it the the game before it's like the nature of this protest in i think the the nature of the issue of what happened of what shape would say is like you to actually say like games just can't go on like this and this almost in a way like relates to both the issue of mls continuing to play through such a terrible point in the world in the united states. His history issue of player strikes in general and of protests in the states of just being like. Why do you expect that the game will continue. If if if something like this this happened why is it. Why is it the understanding that if it does happen what we're supposed to do is like shrug your shoulders and and not make a deal out of it. Well and co merton rightly says in. I don't know if it's the postgame interview or in a in a subsequent interview that he did where he's like played professionally for a long time. And there's always. Lots of chatters is the first time i've had a homophobic slur directed at me and rightly pointing out. This is my workplace. And i think that's really key for the very few trolls that came out to voice displeasure. This really impressed. The phoenix rising fans very quickly condemning. The player in standing with landon donovan and call martin But i mean it's so easy to forget because it's a thing for our entertaining entertainment but this is what they do for a living and they are in union environment and they are subject to the same rules so it is a big deal. I mean it would have been a big deal anyway but I just. I've admirations for colin martyn for for holding himself together through all of this and being so eloquent when he would be completely justified to. Just tell everybody to take a flying leap and not handle things with grace. It's unfortunate that queer racialized and folks -perienced marginalization continue to have the people to take the high ground in moments. Like this but Again the it felt good to see somebody in the moment. say no. this isn't okay. We're not just going to continue. We're not gonna just brush this off. We actually have to do something about it to me feels very significant and and there was a lot on the line. They didn't need to forfeit this game but to landon donovan and the players. They couldn't continue. And i just respect. That really hits home is personal in. You know. I know you know the thing happening is something that is infuriating and i think that the idea of a precedent and two teams even if their second division teams try to move forward of it is that is why i think his battered so much to you and a queer fans across north america and because it it does feel personal because every time it's just another reminder. You're not welcome here. And you know this environment that you thought was for you and is safe isn't in some small way and frat briefs little window time you kind of feel that and you're like all right so if i do wanna stay supporting soccer. I i have to withhold some part of my identity. This kind of crap is going to happen but to then see the the reaction from landon donovan from the club From the fan bases from just soccer fans in general and of course there are people saying stupid shit about but for the most part actually was the lake. It was nice to see after terrible incident. Be like oh. These people are a small number of people that are in the wrong here actually are going to be held to account and people are doing the right thing and recognizing that this is much bigger than a single moment or a single game or even the sport in general and we can. We can decide to go another the big thing For discrimination of all kinds of in the comes from this incident is that. I'm sure that the two clubs involved in the us l. have learned a lot of lessons throughout the course of the process. I really hope. Mls mls clubs. Have their eyes open because this is going to happen. Yeah in the question is not like when is the nec's player going to walk off the field. It's like it will happen so you have to like decide what you're going to do for that player in and whether or not you need to force them to walk the that's another part you know when you talk about call it anyways. We we talked about this before the show where it was like. I mean this this could be the show a lot of loaded things for for both of us and for a lot of people June fleming's has been suspended as embattled his whole six game suspension. He's he's been put on leave. The cloud said that they are putting him on leave for the remainder of his contract. Which is one more month so that will be his. That will be his right the remainder of his time at the club. The the last thing. I'll say that. I think is important. Is that if the coaches response from phoenix. Rising was not great. He acknowledged that that response was not great and working with the people involved actually apologized for this specific actions and committed to doing something about it. Various specifically and as much as it's really easy to want to write people off and and just be angry about it and i went there but it's important that we talk about the other side of things which is which is not just every time something awful happens being like we'll fire everyone and this is all bad and nothing good will come of this but people will make mistakes but when people can acknowledge those mistakes and work with the people that were harmed to do better and to acknowledge that harm it is meaningful you know and i have to admit it probably was not a fun thing to have to call colin martin specifically apologize but it was the right thing to do and it was the right thing to mention the specific ways in which harm was done rather than say. I didn't mean to do this. And who can say like the language in the apology was unambiguous and that matters so. I'm glad that we can't just talk about like we. We can actually say lessons. Maybe we'll get learned here and the correct actions are being taken because that's an opportunity that's been missed time and time re completely professional sports who i tell you to call colin martin. It's gonna it's gonna be a lot more than just landon. Donovan storming the pitch but big mood. Twenty twenty seven just like now that we have got through this This brace of two weeks to two weeks one week until the end of the season. It's basically it'd be a whole matchday twice a week. Where can we find you live. You can find me online on twitter and instagram at that. So mls you can. Of course find this podcast wherever you get on twitter. Ac start base rate w bates dot com. And don't get a fall two red cards until next. Don't get set off yet sent. You can all given because who knows what a sending office at the conclusion of a secret split started with somebody else getting a red card excellent. Yeah welcome to calvin barbershop. You gotta see this. 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Lt eanet well therese it's Twenty two thousand eight goal to build a lunar base and eventually sustaining human presence. On the moon nasa has awarded three hundred seventy million dollars to over a dozen companies to deploy technology on the lunar surface while those technologies of course include four g nasa says four g could provide more reliable longer distance communication than the current radio standards that are in place on the moon like the earth or like on earth the four g network will eventually be upgraded to five g. Now i wonder if it'll be considered local calling from the moon to your family. Maybe you know if an astronaut on the moon working there on the on moonbase wants to call home unlike et will it be a local call. If it's g network maybe probably not probably not four. G will probably work better on the moon than it does here. It won't have any trees buildings or tv signals to interfere with the four g signal. That's true but it might have gravity to interfere with it. I wonder how that works for me. Taking that into account along with when the the rockets will blast off to leave the moon the that a huge vibration on the moon's surface but that's also being taken into account for this. Don't want any cell towers to collapse because of that rocket vibration nokia's bell labs was granted. Fourteen point one million dollars for this project. i'd do it for ten million now bell. Labs of course was actually founded by alexander. Graham bell which wake up the name it was for a long time in part of part of. At and t. In two thousand sixteen it became part of finnish company. Nokia interesting well. Google might have a bit of a struggle legally. I'm sure you've heard about this by this time. But the us department of justice has filed an antitrust case against google. The doj lawsuit claims that google holds an unlawful and anti competitive position within search. Alleging that the conglomerate has engaged in anticompetitive search and search advertising practices. Google has argued that there is vigorous competition for its different operations waging. I can't help but chuckle. No such thing as vigorous competition for google just just doesn't happen But that's what they're arguing anyway. The lawsuit is the biggest challenge by the united states of the growing power of technologies in a generation comparable to the lawsuit against microsoft filed in nineteen ninety eight. We heard about that. Of course in chris's tech history and the nineteen seventy-four case against at and t. Which led to the aforementioned breakup of the bell system and of course it was microsoft lawsuit that paved the way for other companies like google to now grow now. Google finds itself in the same exact position that microsoft was. It allowed them to grow that kind of interesting. The vicious cycle continues. The justice department said that for the sake of american consumers advertisers and all companies. Now reliant on the internet economy. The time has come to stop google's anticompetitive conduct and restore competition because attorney. General bar said that google has gotten so big no one can feasibly challenged their dominance in search and advertising of course yet google says they're engaged in vigorous competition. Es ninety percent of searches are google and not to mention. There's there's only a google google google. It is the only verb you don't you people. Don't say yahoo it because that's just stupid because nobody uses optimistic. It all vista it. You go boy talking about the old days. I'm dating myself now. You are still have some kind of a search. Probably not probably wouldn't wouldn't be very effective if they did anyway. So that's interesting. We'll have to wait and see what happens. It's going to be long drawn out. No question about that. It's gonna take a while for that to play. Its way through the courts. But we'll see how it goes and do state to and you. And i were talking about before showtime that apple has come in and ruined another lifelong tradition for me good grief classic peanuts. Specials are leaving broadcast tv and moving to apple. Tv just in time for the holidays. Thanks apple that's the thing is every year of my life. Around this time. I would tune into broadcast. Tv like millions of others to watch. It's a great pumpkin. Charlie brown and this is a tradition that i continued with my son. And we've watched it every year but you don't subscribe to apple subscribed so we won't be able to watch on apple tv issue. Ironically two years ago somebody gave me the dvd collection of all of them. I don't have. Dvd player hooked up. So i will have to hook a dvd player so we can still watch it because i am not subscribing to apple plus just to watch this apple tv plus me. Yeah good for you. Because i would hope you wouldn't have to do that. Yeah they snatched it away from broadcast television fifty four years. It's been on wow times. They are changing. Yeah and if you do have apple tv. Plus it'll be available for three days. Starting in october thirtieth only for three days said october thirtieth thirty first november. I basically plays through halloween. That's it yeah but then again broadcast. Tv only had it on one night. So i guess three days a little better. Wow that's interesting. Now that more people have got the hang of zoom. More people might be willing to pay to attend events hosted using zoom. Don't be surprised if you see musicians and comedians cashing in on zoom in the near future. Because that's probably the only way especially with the pandemic that a lot of people can still make some money so if you have a favorite musician or favourite magician for that matter or favorite comedian. Or what have you. They may be doing a performance via zoom. And they'll charge you for it. There was a guy who i think came in one of the finalists. In one of these cooking shows with Who's a The chef that's always yelling at ramsey gordon. Ramsay him and he was. I don't think he won. But he was one of the finalists young guy and he's been doing. I've seen it coming up on instagram ads. And whatnot and occasional cooking with nick. The guy's name is nick whatever and he's charging people telling you ahead of time if you sign up and pay i give the ingredients and we'll all cook whatever this dishes together now. I think that's a little odd but more power to him because apparently it's working because he's doing several of these and there's an another example of somebody making money by just doing zoom meeting and letting people come in after they've paid and everybody cooks the same dish together. Well you know. There's a food network. Does a similar thing with their app. Food network kitchen Which apparently they have live. Some of them are alive but they have cooking classes that even on demand that you can watch and cook along with them. They charge you for the normally charge home to what it is a year but as a prime member up was i got a notification that i got a free one year subscription to it so i thought this is great because i've got the echo show with the screener can move into my kitchen and do this and cook along with them. That was six months ago. And i don't think even done it once. I know i haven't even done it once but say you don't think you have. Wouldn't you remember this. You would think. I would remember him a year but you like to cook. I like to cook. But i guess i don't like it enough to move the thing in there and cook along with people but there are people that i guess like to do that. Way you mean unplugging your echo show and moving into the kitchen which is about twenty steps away and plugging it in there. It's on fi right so it's not a land alexa. Move to the kitchen. That would be much better but I'm sorry i'm afraid. I can't do that yet Yeah the only one that over the last year or so figured that. I learned that it's harder to get alexa to understand what i'm saying. I mean i don't think or or have speech impediments or that have gotten worse or have an accent or something referendum such a heavy cuban accent or otherwise there are elections have trouble understanding them. Listening to into tomorrow with dave grave. Line like you understand the quiet. Yeah but i. I never used to have an issue with alexa. Now i find myself having to give commands two or three different times or even screaming at her. You know telling got to shut up because she lives understand what i'm saying. Yeah well when you curse at her though she does say. I'll take that under advisement or something or i'll let my support team no or sell. Take day. I was watching something on tv. I don't even remember what. Guess it activated and and thought that i was giving it a bad remark assess. Thank you for telling me. 'cause i'll be able to improve. I was like. I didn't even say anything there was something on. Tv something on tv. And i guess. She thought that. I was saying i don't like you because if you say alexa you stink or something. It's like giving feedback. So do you say that a lot to your election. I say worse things. Oh you do converse with your alexa frequently do you not. Yeah oh boy. Federal court has allowed microsoft to take control of domains used in fishing operations against office. Three sixty five customers. The cyber criminals used corona virus related lures in lures in fishing. See we did there In those phishing email sent to millions of business. Units in sixty two countries gain access to emails contact list and personal data in one drive and share point storage systems so now they might actually have a tool to sort of fight back and see how that goes so. I wish them well because the fishing nonsense has got to stop yes. That's what i think. Michael in tyler. Texas listens on k. Tbb am fm. By the way a michael. Welcome into tomorrow i say. Congratulations on the anniversary of the show. Thank you second. What is it good watch. Would it be the apple. Watch or would you go for the android In oda have both phones okay. Well that's good first of all. Thank you for our twenty fifth year on the air. Congratulations we appreciate that and michael. They're going to be a few things to consider of. Course when you say what would i recommend on android guy so i would recommend an android smartwatch basically but the first is what do you want the watch to do if you have both android phones and iphones as you mentioned that you probably use one for work and one for your personal life. Which do you want the watch to be involved with which phones notifications are important enough to get on your wrist. Watch things do you want to track the most now. The other big thing is an apple. Watch is an apple. Watch their solid. They last a long time. They work well for the most part but most importantly they're made by apple and no one else in. Of course they cost the most money and android wasser really watch. Os watches and there are lots and lots of different ones. If you look at something like samsung's galaxy watch lineup. That's what i've got on. It's not currently but I forgot to pull off the charger this morning. But they're all gonna be pretty good. They make different kinds for different lifestyles. Some more discreet some more rugged but they're all good watches and it's mainly a matter of choosing the one that adapts to your use for example running the rain a lot my call for one of the active model. That's a good point to look for that. Now if you look at some of the generic ones out there. Your experience may vary the advised. Even some recognizable brands have put out watches. That haven't lasted and haven't fared very well at all enough with an apple watch you'll have support and updates for quite a few years If you go with one of the more solid android brands like the galaxy line. We mentioned you probably will as well but if you go with the budget brand your experience may differ greatly and we also mentioned the two different kinds in which notifications of more important. The apple watch will work with android phone a watch. Os watch will work with an iphone. Yeah but you won't get every single feature available unless you have the watts from that carrier you use your galaxy watch with an android phone. You get all your text messages. Anything on the watch. I use it with an iphone. I only get that. I have a text message but it won't read it to me. I can't see it on the screen pictures that people send me. Don't show up. But at least they of occasions and most all the watches of any smartwatch brand all have the very simple stuff step counting heart rate of not all of them but most of them do so again. If that sort of feature is important to you then you need to make sure you get that as well so michael do let us know which ended up going with and why. Because that's important as well. It'll help other listeners. That are looking at making a similar decision. And we'll meet you at into tomorrow dot com. This is an important announcement for anyone who wants health insurance even if you missed a deadline right now you can get the health insurance. You and your family need from top insurance providers even if you have pre existing conditions or no insurance at all plus benefits health insurance toll. Free number has been extended to help anyone who wants health insurance coverage now or if you need a better plan or a lower price plus benefits health insurance now at eight hundred. 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We've used them literally around the world. provide access to all kinds of applications data in some of the most challenging mobile environments including some of the ones that we have experienced firsthand. The head of mobility product management and market strategy for panasonic is dan dill liberty. Did i say your name right dan. Oh yes well thank you and welcome into tomorrow delighted to have you with us and delighted that we can talk more about panasonic tough books which we have used from the let me reach over and grab this one. Here's one of the older tough books that we traveled with for many years and has had all the right connectors that we needed and so forth and some of your counterparts have said. Yeah but that's such an older unit. We have to fix that so they did. Of course now. We have the newer or one of the newer fans on tough books that we use again regularly and travel with on a constant basis. So we're we're a very good promoter of tough book because yeah they get dropped. They do get abused. They do get banged around by whatever the case and they continue to work. You know no other laptop. Do we pack because we have to carry it on because it's dangerous you know that they get beat up and they get moved around all the tough books for years. We've had no problem putting in with luggage and baggage. That's just going to get bounced around. The they always survive. Is that kind of the whole strategy. I'm guessing of tough book from the beginning. Yeah gosh i. I really appreciate you saying all those great thing. But it's true okay Really goes to say a lot about the engineering. And the quality that we put into the product that The people use our products day-to-day are Are using it for mission critical purposes. You know Please fire ems and everything else in between so we really count on those products working and Glad you had a great experience with it to oh for sure. We absolutely have had a great experience. The only thing that would be better as if my little earpiece which stop bouncing out. But that's not the panasonic issue. That's just one of these things that we're having to deal with here on in the tech world and especially these days doing zoom interviews because of course you can come and dan's interview and the product said he's showing us as well as hearing all about this on the radio And although the tough book a three is kind of. I guess safe to say an enterprise grade device at something more certainly for the business world. It's got a lot of features that we as consumers would look to us and take full advantage of. Yes yeah you know. It's so interesting that you know that sometimes the consumer market can drive innovation within the enterprise markets and within the public safety markets and things but With a lot of the work that we're doing it's really gone the other direction so a lot of the feedback that we're getting about the new book three. Which is our latest and greatest rugged is android tablet. It's a ten point. One inch device has some innovations in it that are really driving the rest of the industry for example This tablet has dual hot swap batteries. So you can imagine. And i'm sure you can relate if you've ever been using your technology out in the field you want to get something done and your battery dies and so With with the the the technology that we've developed along with You know our engineers is Is gives us the ability while you're working to take one of the batteries. Al fresh it up with a brand new and keep working without ever having a stop. Now that's and that in and of itself is pretty amazing and of course helps anybody in any kind of field environment or even if you're inside somewhere and you're in the middle of doing something what do you mean. The battery's dying. I gotta replace it. What i got to power down. You don't have to do that with the three. And while i don't have one to show in my studio you can show us a three. I sure do. I have to have one right here. You can see the display. Yeah very nice. The ten point one inch display like. I said and one of the things that make. It's makes it so great as its ultra bright. It's an eight hundred display so it can be used in the direct sunlight incredible contrast ratio. So the what you can't see in the direct sunlight really pops and has a really beautiful picture to it. And if you happen to drop it it's gonna draft specification You can use it. The rain one of the other unique innovations that we were talking about. Is that this as rain Rain touch so panasonic has a patented technology that consents raindrops. What it's hitting the device. So that it doesn't interact with in doesn't confuse it so so another words.

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RUSS AND THE BH FOREVER

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Today and one I think it's one year I go do the colonoscopy or the scoping of the bat cave whatever you WANNA call it and I on. Yeah, well, here's a thanks. I haven't eaten anything solid since Saturday so for me. You know like you know all day, no food right now. No Food and and I have a bad relationship with food as I needed. Makes me happy. food is one of the things I. Look Forward to so man that is that's crazy and when they aback evacuate, U It's it's. It's clear. It's. it's It's it's a full deal. Drink this for those have never done a call and ask me and if you're over forty seven, you're supposed to of already. You know he's at forty seven. You're supposed to do it, now. They're actions saying they're going to lower the number to forty five. Because so many people get colon cancer. me I'm fifty five. I should have done it some time ago. So I've ever done it before. And a lot of listeners probably have, but you have to drape this this stuff and drink within a half hour, and it's not particularly. They says mango flavor, but. You can hold the mango concerned. Yeah, Mango Flavor and and you drink that with another thing of water, and then you're like. Oh, not too bad, okay, and all the sudden man. You can't stop. Read! About four hours later, you gotTA. Drink more. Stop it, says parts flavor. Punch. Did you wear before and then after. I didn't. I didn't get a yeah. I probably should have but you know what's funny, really all. Get any gross or anything like that. Just liquid is all. You know. Yeah, so, but you can't eat right so I can't eat until like after my scope thing today, and then to make things even worse. You know I'm sitting here in doing that thing and and you know this is my wife has she's the one saying you gotTa do this? She's she's had the scare. She has colon cancer. She's like if you have you know we gotTA. You've got to have this thing done and I'm like okay fine. I'll do it for you. I'll go do it. That's fine. And then all of a sudden that. Spinal cord thing starts bothering me again. I know remember when they work. They took out like they totally take out half of it because they said that. Listen you know the other half I. it's all. Intel light. Your medical problems Forgotten. Getting old blows, getting old sucks. Trust me, but they only took out half of it, and they said well the other hands on slot of nerves and stuff We really that take about four or five hours, so we took out. There's hopefully nothing will come back well right in the middle of of as this. I mean I I'm gonNA running in there to evacuate and all the sudden I feel that all familiar pain. That I haven't felt and what two years I think it's been. Maybe year and a half whatever and all of a sudden like. Oh, no, not that and then I'm like okay, it'll go away. It'll go away. It'll go away and this morning. I couldn't I couldn't even pay attention to find the The Trivia question I five thousand one, but but it's like Oh, I can't sit. At forty percent to do, and it was holding everything in place. That maybe at. What I. Did I. Did I go poo poo. What the hell have you heard what happened? Back out, that's that's a real kind of moving. Drink water until nine, and then I gotTa Stop Drinking Water so I'm. Going To be eating ice. My Wife had God bless her. She made me she made me some like a chicken broth yesterday. Dinner. Chicken Broth and that wanted to throw it across the room because I got. Hungry by then you know. And now it's like beyond hungry. GRUMP, hungry, grumpy, angry angry. Yeah, YOU'RE! You're angry. With the paint so any, it'd be going to be dumb. You gotta be power to today I I. Will I'll get through it but man. Is there any like protocols procedures at one? You'll be done by like three thirty. Is there any protocols of what you can eat or is it like just? Go home go on and. Go. Any market thing go. Ahead whatever you went after that. Because of that being like a shock to the system in that could go sideways as well I. I had planned on going straight to fish and vegetables right like okay. That's a good start for you know. I'm all cleaned out straight. As right now I can tell you that is not my desire. Thinking cheeseburger. cheeseburger brain but I. got a cheeseburger. I'm ahead of Hell I can't wait. Coming right off the bat. That's good I. Know I should go to fish vegetables because I am as clean I mean it's. It's I mean it's like whatever stuff they give you. I mean basically they're giving you a stomach virus. Right to clean you out, so you have you know? Basically they're giving you and every. It's clean. That can be right now and I could start from scratch this half, fish and vegetables. Next thing you know I'll be healthy in one week, but. I don't know man. The Burger Burger share sounds good. Man I say go for it, but. Just be prepared for the consequences. That's a that's a that's a ruin of a day and to sit there. Drake, that stuff every stuck on toilet, what? I only had half a weekend as we and. And I did not blow it out on Saturday like I said I was gonNA. I was GONNA. Eat All I had was. For! Why did you waste it like that? was that was the whole thing like? This is your time to binge and purge and get it all out of there. You know what? My wife wasn't feeling well that day. She spent most of the day in bed, so that's it wasn't like a celebration kind of hey. Let's cook out of deal house kind of taking care of her and so I'm like. How have a little burger? It'd be I'll be alright. You know no big deal to an hour which I would've picked it out discussing Sunday and right now. I could back at eat my arm off. Man, Alma Hungry and I know it's probably all mental right. Percent Man! Be that. My brain is telling me I'm starving, but they can't be because I have a little extra. Yeah, I haven't done an x Ray, but I feel like you have some fat reserves there i. Appreciate the. Medical equipment check it out, but yeah. Kamer. Oh, man, it's like they're doing a month without food like crazy like that if Two years. grumpy to, but yeah, it's it's. It's so mental I mean ultimately the other day I mean your body you. You'd be totally angel. You're good. We should order some Gabriel sub I was. Just thinking about it and I feel bad that I didn't act on this, but I should have brought. To and just. Just, sat here today. How can we get food delivered? That's what think. We can probably get some stuff. Yeah, let's all you know. What order some cheeseburgers. What was that cartoon character that used to? Pay You. Get Out. Pallets full of cheeseburgers. Yeah, you know it's funny. I always complain a little joke between me and my wife. She loves the Olive Garden Salad I'm like that's. Great Oh my God what is lettuce on a couple of hours? Nothing something magical to the the. It's the crew ever are magnificent. It's nothing super special that she thinks it's the most specialty the world. Yesterday at five o'clock and she comes out. She's like I didn't want anything that you like so. I got all I. Have is an olive garden salad and she's eaten and I'm like the best. Ever seen in my life I'm my God what I would do? I pick something that you didn't like and I'm like no. Lettuce. I do now. This is serious. He's looking at loads. Going on looks delicious, I look. It looks go so good. Say that. It was Saturday Saturday I I should've taken more seriously. I should have eaten up till midnight on the Saturday at like. Three thirty. And that's all I I really. That's all day Saturday. Because I was busy making sure she was cool, and so that means I didn't eat much really since since I saw you guys last. Well. We knew you're going to be angry today. I'm surprised who just didn't take the day off. You know. It's all I got man. Is My thing. Within hours a day and not too bad I. Guess that's my thing. Man I love this thing. I I did see Ryan homes over the weekend so I wanNA talk about that a little bit as much as you can talk about it. Find out about your. Talk about anything now I'm good. Good all right well. We'll do that. See how the baby's doing with car. Let's check in with the with angels, even things going on with unsolved mystery still in the top ten unsolved mystery still so find out if he's heard anything so a bunch to cover today. Chancellor Thousand Dollars here keep listening for that key word. You could win a thousand dollars a day on your radio. One zero four point one no goanywhere. Dancing naked kitchen is a lot better with your best friends seriously. Why would you encourage that? Play Real Radio One four point one on iheartradio. Hey Welcome back to the masses of the morning. You're listening to us with rests angel. Carlos, the net. We got music sometimes. They're yeah, we're here. Buddy. Okay was weather. The wanted to Riverdale went up four point one broadcasting live on iheartradio. Rawlings along with Angel Orion and Carlos all here on this beautiful Monday. Getting Ready for another great. Wake Up. You guys had a great a great weekend and I had someone say something about all. Don't try to make it sound bad to get a colonoscopy. Because people need to get them. Yeah, I know that and look. I'm not complaining about the procedure itself. Something I needed to do doing procedures. Are Complaining about being hungry. That's it I do that any day. That's that's my normally would do actually the the stuff they give you. It takes a little bad, but It's not that horrible, and it's just you know. Evacuate your whatever. And Dude should go and get a colonoscopy I mean I'm not going to be the guy that's sitting here and preach it to you because I waited a long time. Only reason I'm going is my wife is making me. That's the only reason I'm going. That's a bad reason. I should have been smart enough to do it on my own because you take care of yourself, blah, blah, blah blah, but it's like everybody else I. Don't want them sticking it. You think about it, you know what I'm sticking a camera in a place that you don't WanNa. Stick things usually. Most people and you know what Carlos I think. This'll be one of the things that we talk about all the time. Well, we're GonNa you know twenty years from now we'll go. Do you know back way back in two thousand twenty? They used to have to stick a camera up your while. In order to see everything now all we gotta do is is hover this thing over your belly and I can tell you how many you know. sister there whether you had colon, cancer or not, you know but. You have to drink this stuff and it makes you go poo poo all day and then. Go in, put you out and they put a camera up. Your younger and You know that one day that'll be the deal, but that is not today now it's not I think he made sure it'd be a little pill. You swallow it. It'll go wherever it needs to go, and you know have. All the different sensors and all the different things will just be fine through there and you can eat the day before because I can't. Look at the camera yeah. That yeah, return the camera to the doctor. added. Breakneck Hammer back yeah. Oh, man I also wanted to texting service by the way thanks for all the text this morning, seven, seven, zero, three one. You can access. Someone said that. When he did it, his doctor told as nurse said listen John. Don't go eat healthy right away. Each something greasy because. It's better for your It's better for your intestines. Doesn't make sense, but that's what I'm going to go with Ya. I know you're GONNA head straight to the salad bar. If there are salad bars left. There's a are there. I saw somebody promoting a salad bar I saw. Our Salad, bar is open. I saw it somewhere. The whole Suite Tomato Company closed down and they were essentially salad bar of a restaurant. Have Really Oh, yeah, it's close. But. It was like it was like a nice golden corral basically. Corral Open. No, no really well and I. Tell you the Sonny's barbecue. They don't have their They don't have their salad bar a salad bar anymore. Yeah, down twenty twenty killed the salad bar. I Lotta things. I I'll tell you what I've had a colonoscopy done. And all you hear, people are people are like it's not as scary as it is. The only thing like you'll have the greatest sleep you've ever had afterwards. Which is which is nice, but man. You've done it before. They put you out in the they do the countdown. Yeah, all right, go backwards from my dude started at seven and I was still awake. That was not fun. I still remember that. Let make sure they. Do the full count one if you can do it because I tell them. I'm like a Buffalo. Jimmy extra whatever it is. PUT THINGS OUT A. Authoress man you put me out majeure. Big Gorilla make sure I'm asleep yeah. Only bad part. Is that drinking that stuff and once you get past that and it's easy procedure and now with Kobe. Like my wife can drop me off course, she cannot come into the the place and and got to wear your mask. When you go in, and they check your temperature right at the door. They take your temperature. Ask if there's any any symptoms which I have not, but but yeah the, and then she has to go do something, and they come back like what forty five minutes I don't think it takes that long. Just kind of look around in there In because of like I'm. Imagining like what would we call the the cave divers, and that takes them forever to get down to the deepest darkest parts of the K.. Figuring that's on I. Know You said Your appointment starts at one, but I'm going to get really in there. I mean the of I'm thinking lighting figure. You've got to like that crevice up so. Yeah, you know what I mean so I figured you'd be there good couple of hours well now that I'm here, but my wife thinks I'm trying to one up with my doctor. My doctor is different than her doctor. Right? Doctor's got this camera. That has like four cameras. I've got one at the top and into the four around the side, so it's. Like a landscape writing you and she's like Oh. You're trying to one up me, right? My doctor only has one camera but but he's got these super cameras, so we can see everything. You know which I guess. We'll be able to show me afterwards, but the this is one of the things you guys I. Don't know I won't speak for all guys I'll just safer me or whatever like the whole idea of the prostate, check and a colonoscopy. That's an area most of us do don't want anyone going like that. Is You know and and we're hard headed about having that particular stuff checked Would you not agree? I don't care. You look forward to know. I looked for, but I'm also not like scared about especially like recently watching what a woman has to go through when having a baby random people checking them like it's not like okay. It's like a big buildup for one person to check your private to check your you know all that. When you're having a baby several different nurses, we'll just walk over, and it's time to check you because you're. Shove somethin