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B.I.G. Interview | Scott Patchen, CSU Rams D-Lineman on Season Expectations and History with Coach Addazio

The Hull Show ? 1310 KFKA

20:16 min | 3 weeks ago

B.I.G. Interview | Scott Patchen, CSU Rams D-Lineman on Season Expectations and History with Coach Addazio

"After one o'clock hour welcome back to the whole show powered by pd. Energy live from the article is in special studios. Very excited about this. Next guest had the chance to talk to a couple of weeks ago of course at issues media day scott patch and colorado state rams defensive end who is on watchlist after watchlist. Preseason all mountain west team. It's exciting times for this. Ramstein especially on that defensive. Line scott my friend. Great to get you on the program. We've been wanting to do it for a while. Thank you for having me just answering the questions you got for comedy grill you at no some fun man. You're a week away a week away. finally i. it's kind of. It's crept up on us but at the same time it feels like forever. Yeah you know i mean. It's just the anticipation building over the entire summer off season so excited for it to be here excited to finally be in the trenches with guys excited to finally get the san going and get to see them all this defensive line. We've paid a lot attention to the d. line. Of course the offensive line to you guys have been going at it and fall can't make each other better but they're certainly a buzz around this defense for ceus you and that scott. That's not always been the case around colorado state over the years. We started to get some samples of that last season in the short season. But i make no mistake. I mean fans out there talking up this defense and specifically this defensive line. You're on you know it. Just it happens when you get a little bit of taste of success you know. We had a little bit of that as a different align unit last year. obviously as you just mentioned Just mainly going forward is looking to build on that you know. I can't really explain that more. So you know. I feel like we can't buy into you know or take the cheese. Anybody would like to say you know we just gotta continue to do put in the effort put in the work and you know let the cards fall where they will talking to scott patch in colorado state rams defensive line week away from that first game against south dakota state and boy. That's going to be a fun tonight. Friday night. I ask everybody this because i want to get your take. Some people differ in this. Are you cool with the friday night thing or are you like. Hey we're in college. We wanted do saturday. I used to have an opinion. But now that i'm not a guy that in in person classes online student. You know my master's program. So i've got i've got no care in the world. You tell me what i'm gonna plan online. I love him and scott. Tell our listeners. Your masters i love when people listen to. What are what are you. What are you wrapping up. What are you. What are you focusing on all right. So i'm getting my masters in sports management and i'm focusing in business with it so it's going to be an ms masters enforcement yet it's going to be msn. Awesome in will congratulations on all your success. There and again your success from last season and over your college career. You have a solid relationship with coach adaza. You've had one for quite some time. Your family has a great relationship. Can you elaborate a bit about with about about that relationship on the side of your head. Coach steve adagio. Oh yeah i love coached is obviously. He was the big main attraction to me. Coming to see us you without him. I wouldn't be here would not be in the position. I'm in you know along with coach eater and coach anton smith built. You know such a great relationship with that was a match made in heaven to be honest with you. And i don't know if your plan that or not or knew that but you know it just it me coach smith. We headed off from day one. And you know he's just probably you know the person. I'm most excited to talk to every day in the building because i'm on the same page as him and he knows exactly where i stand on everything so that part. Awesome but yeah. I've coached is you since you know how the real young kid he recruited my older brother matt to florida and then He took a temple job for a year two and then he ended up at bc when he went to bc. That was my brother. Matt's last year at florida new used his last year of eligibility to go to Boston college and spend it that year. That was the year they had andre williams. It was the heisman trophy candidate. My brother was blocking for him. I think he was like a left tackle. Right tackle one of those physicians for that team. And so they thrived in the run game there And obviously when you recruit a guy and you bring in you go that relationship with him. The family my family's was coach down. I remember the in home visit. He hops in the kitchen with moms and he started cooking for. That was back when matt was being recruited. And you know coming out of high school when i was being recruited Bc was easily number two for me. The only thing that made me not want to even consider dc though is calculated the mind. It's time but it was senior night game at bc. And i'm out in me and my dad went and watched his friday night. Little walk through and it was cold. You know it was probably like thirty. Forty you know and i remember. He looked over and he goes. We can tell. The florida boy is because i'm layered on stage. When are we going inside. I don't want to be on the call and that was probably the moment. I realized that he realized he ain't come and be well. Colorado's nice because you're gonna get some cold days but you get some pretty okay days to throughout the course of the season. Oh yeah you know. And then big eighteen year old and picking between you know the beaches in my cold. Boston weather like it was a no-brainer for the. I mean you know looking back on. If i could do it over again you know. I don't regret the miami decision. But knowing what i know now i would have went to be easily tampa. Can't blame you. Though on the weather side of it. I mean who would blame you for that even with the great relationship right. So you've got this great relationship with coach dot. Co sticking to this the other day just just randomly hit my mind because billy joel song came on and i remember him in the assistant coaches singing the colorado state of mind thing the video that was posted remember colfax The video that was posted all over the place. What did you think of. What did you think of coaches singing. Oversold up a little bit of soul you know and so you didn't expect out. Yeah it was good surprises me every day. you know. that's one of you guys ever ask them. Hey can you. We're feeling a little down in the dumps. can you. can you bring out. Oh billy joel or is that a one time thing. We're not asking again all right so when we talked to coach and again coaches always notice right. Coaches are just different with players coaches very much. You know he. He's going to inspire you. He's going to give you some mix of coachspeak but he's he's gonna delay some truthful nuggets in there. What are those conversations like with you personally because we've heard so many players say man i tell you what this guy. We're close to the sky. He is just really an understanding type coaching. When you hear that sometimes right where. A coach is one way with the media. He's another way with his team coach down. He's not you know hiding anything he's gonna shoot your straight you know he's never gonna lie. He was gonna give honest opinion every time. And that's honestly what you want. You know a parent figure you know coach. You know solid gonna give you advice in this world. You want them to shooting straight. That's why you know what. I was making my decision to come back i. Was you know it was family. It was coach smith and it was it was it. Was those that group of people really helped me make my decision. I trusted them. I trust their opinions. And i trust their knowledge. You know they've been in the same longer than i've been alive So you want that from a coaching honestly head coach. I trust it was one of the things are looking for when i was transferred. I it was on my list. And i had great position coach. Someone's gonna teach. These are the game and head coach. I could trust And i mean. I wouldn't be here if i didn't trust coached as you. And that's one of his. Biggest philosophies is love and trust you got the love and trust your players just as much as you gotta love and trust your coaches so the two way street and i mean he knocked out of the park with that and the ability to coach your players hard. That loved them even harder. He's the philosophy that they stand by and the rest of the coaching staff as well So that that's used on his own. And i couldn't you know like you said coach you listen coachspeak and then there's some you know motivation and i think it's every day he makes me want to run through a wall you know i mean i can't blame you joke about it all the time but i'm not kidding you when i talked to him on the phone or when we were in person with them the other day down in denver i get that feeling and i'm not a big giant man like you are scott. I feel like like to do some push-ups and some crazy lifting suddenly. But i can't imagine the motivation factor. That comes into play for you guys big when it comes to that now you know and sometimes it keeps it short and sweet you know. And he's good about reading the room and that was you know i really believe that you know. Sometimes he can. He can talk if you want to talk or he can keep it short and it's all about you know. Well he feels is best for us as far as most motivational aspect and coach speaking. If something's on his heart you know he. He always tells us how he feels and where his minds at. You know the plan moving forward as far as you know if it was days during camp what his idea was looking for as for as far as going you know certain day you know full pad shells helmets try and take care of your legs back etc all those things. He's a very good coach at communicating with his players. So we're not left out in the dark. I know a lot of coaches out there. You know they try to keep things a secret. For whatever reason you know So players left on the edge of their seat and they're never comfortable because you know that's probably a coaching style. If you have players that are always ready you never have to get them ready but He's really good about as far as you know keeping that line of communication open Office is always open. And i think he's tremendous in that regard and that's interesting too because you say that But you've you've heard cases throughout the country. Sometimes we're maybe a coach says that but it's not always that open and players leave and they're frustrated and that's got to be an important thing for you and for any player to be able to know. Hey i can go one on one with. This coach is a lot of football players on that roster but to be able to really feel that and know that you can go to your head coach. That's got to be a luxury. Because i'm not saying every coach is not like that but you've heard some stories where this guy's all football the time and it must be nice to have a guy like that. It's nice to have a guy that you can joke with and you know he can make the best player that you can be with. You know as far as your skill set and what it allows you to do. You know so. I think he's tremendous in that regard. You know i can joke with him about you know. Think authentic italian food at olive garden. And tell me. I'm acting like an idiot. you know. Okay so coaches got. He knows his way around. Some italian food is that right. Oh easily you know. There was one day i think i showed up and i was like coachman i tried this really good italian place. And he's like. Oh i don't know if there's any good italian place that's close to here. Where where'd you go to eat. You know and i hit him with a you know this place. Endless breadsticks coach. It's real good. And i got him on the edge of his seat and then i land with all your i love that man has he trot. I'd be curious he ever been there before. Are you probably had. We're gonna have to find a place for me. That's going to be a mission. We're gonna find a spot for him. That's a dazs. You approved got the coach. As i think so it could be like reviewing restaurant. Hey okay a couple of months ago before you guys got Knee deep into fall camp. I saw the pictures. You guys the defensive. Line with coach smith Talking to ellison hubbard bad you guys went out boating and you order like thirty pizzas from crazy. Carl's pizza that. I love those things man don't you just. That's a team building and especially unit building kind of philosophy. It was a fun day. And you know it's not just you know like once you know summer we do something like that like come schmidt you know. He's always feeding us. He's always doing extra stuff for i mean early. In the summer we went bowling. I you know there was the us over his house and he has his over his house all the time. You know to feed us and everything like that. I can't tell you the amount of times coach. Smith is pouring into us whenever he gets the opportunity. You know and you'd be honest with you. That's just an awesome aspect of you. Know he really loves us and he wants us to be the best we can be you know and he pushes us hard but he loves it up even harder you know and i feel like you know if you can't appreciate the head coach and he probably just don't have you know you probably they're young guy who hasn't been through it rough you know where you didn't feel that from a coach or you're just being delusional yourself you know that's the guy that cares about you know at the end of the day. So you guys bowled a little bit and i agree. I think he's a great guy and the guy's talked so highly of him. Who's the best bowler on the defense blind. Oh it's me bet. okay. I'm going to give. I'm gonna ask allison coming in on monday. I'm gonna ask him to ellison would agree. Well see here's the thing. We went bowling team right and i had to leave early. 'cause the bowling was going on too late and i have plans already that day but i have beaten everybody in my little around around and i was actually supposed to supposed to play. Who was it things. Either coach or frank leonard one of the two and i forget what happened but i had to leave early so i let my on take place but i had out. You know bold everybody. You know that. I've gone against we're we might have to set up like another rematch at some point to like you know sell tickets and everything we could. We could make this a big thing. I mean i'm down. I i just don't know if anybody not there may be some better vollers on his team to me then. I probably just didn't play them but that's when it all matters the most i was in the championship game. You know that's true. If you get there you get there and that speaks for itself. Scott patch joining us. Colorado state rams defensive lineman scott. of course there's a couple of players on this team that are on these watch lists we're talking about the next level trae mcbride ryan stonehouse and of course yourself talking to media day a couple of weeks ago. You had mentioned. Hey i came back for a couple of reasons but one of those. I want to tweak a few things in my game i wanna give myself the best opportunity when it comes to the draft when it comes to that next level yet i you know i really stand by that you know you. Don't come back just to come back. Come back to better yourself in some way shape or form you know So that being you know my reason for coming back. I wanted to make myself more valuable you know. So what is that. I want to be more around player. You know and more consistent in the run game in the past game. And i wanted to prove i could do it over twelve games and not just four games and you know and and so people couldn't question anymore you know that that's kind of where i stood. Yeah no question about it. And i know a lot of you guys talked about. Hey we wanna we want to get back here. We've unfinished business. You know and i think it was big last year beating wyoming of course That was something that fans really wanted to see was beating a rivalry team. It'd been it been a few years. A rivalry game. I should say been a few years. So i know that was a big boost for for rams nation out there and you guys have all kind of talked about. Hey we want to set the table now for for for rams teams to come and this is that opportunity a lot of the upperclassmen saying the same thing as hey we want to get this thing on the right track before we move on absolutely you know guy Houston say all the time is miami. Was brad you know. Leave the place better than you found it. You know And that really resonated with me you know for the most part when he used to say that all the time of miami and and honestly i hope i just leave this place better than i found it absolutely you know part of the you know culture change you know. Work is really buying and believe in all the coaching. And all the you know pointers that are given every single day. And they live by that. You know because it's just great qualities to live your life like you know you don't want to be a slow demeanor guy. You don't want to be a guy. That's like lackadaisical. You want to be an urgent guy. You know that applies to regular day life to outside of football. But you know i. I hope that you know. I can absolutely this place better than i found. Yeah i'm excited to see this season to get underway next friday night south dakota state and we've all said it a million times. It's an fc team but you can't overlook them they're they're the cream of the crop when it comes to the so i know that that's not even registering in your brain. You guys are just thinking. How do we jump out the gates and start one. Oh absolutely you know the goals wanna know but you gotta break down each individual play. You know this is a good team. We're playing i. I don't think you know people are talking about them enough but this is you know a very good team or planning and obviously you go into a game and you respect every ponant. Because if you don't that's when mistakes happen and your overconfident and you're not prepared but you know this is a good team or playing. I give them tremendous respect. You know already are. They already have tremendous respect for me. You know and i know a bunch of i know a lot of the guys in our team are believing that so. We've got a tuck game ahead of us so we just a really you know digging and get ready for you. Know a dogfight. Okay invest stadium again. We're seeing reports. And you never know what's going on in the state of south dakota of course but as of right now we know they're still set to be full attendance or people can go to these games and watch him and hopefully. That's not going to be something that's in the back of our mind. Set the course of the season but assuming everything is a go. How cool is that gonna be man just to get fans back out there in that gorgeous stadium. It's going to be huge. You miss you miss the atmosphere. You know you miss fans yelling and cheering when stick plays are being made and you know that's why we play the game. You know there was no fans no one would care. No one would watch you know at the end of the day. It just be a recreational sport. You know Probably in a less you know extravagant stadium on being honest with you. I mean so. That's just the best part about it. The best aspect. And i'm excited to have all the fans back in there and finally see what philip stadium can look like you're a canvas stadium scott patching last one for you. We had ryan stonehouse on a couple of weeks ago. And i asked him if he had any like hidden talents or anything and he sent me like this mansion that he built this barbecue man. He's like he's a builder. Do you have any of those hidden talents. That a lot of people don't know about you I wouldn't say hidden talents. I can juggle. that's pretty much it. I'm trying to the only thing i could juggle was in those little those little light scarves that were like tissue. I could do that but once we actually tried with the actual juggling balls could make it happen man so i mean my my hats off to you. My friend yeah. I'm not building crazy. I thought like okay. He said he built a barbecue and like a whole thing around. I'm thinking okay. He just kind of made this whatever like an e orlean to type deal. No it looks like a million dollars. I was amazed by that but definitely don't have that. I can't even put legos together. So it's insane. What he did out there for sure no doubt scott. My friend love catching up with. You would love to make this kind of thing throughout the course of the season. I'm a big fan and we cannot wait. See you guys in action next week. I appreciate you have me on. Look forward to it again and you know. Go rams. See us all out there next week. I'm we'll talk to you soon. That's scott patching colorado state rams defensive lineman going up against south dakota state next friday night now again. We did want to make that known what we tweet it out. I don't wanna bring the news up. I don't wanna be the bearer bad news but south dakota's experiencing a major covert outbreak and the oil again. That's according to some reporters that are writing that Tomorrow's volleyball match between you and see the bears and usd has now been canceled due to covert protocols. And so now. You're wondering okay. Should we be monitoring this going forward. See issue football. Opening against south dakota state on september third makes me sick to my stomach. Twenty five minutes after the hour. We'll take a break. We will recharge it. Come back with a football friday. It's the whole show powered by cdc energy colorado's voice and your home for the denver. Broncos is one zero three point one in thirteen ten kfi k.

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2002 Week 14: Patriots vs Bills

Patriots Dynasty Podcast

1:45:41 hr | 1 year ago

2002 Week 14: Patriots vs Bills

"This is Christine Brown and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to my son's sometimes say some naughty things where they're trying to be funny. But really just being stupid you still want to listen go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the page of Stein's podcast. This is a two thousand season working our way through we're on week fourteen against the Ba-, the buffalo bills with drew bledsoe's return to Gillette Stadium even though he never actually played there that's good. But before we get into this game, we have a very special guest on someone I personally super excited to talk to. We have with us today Brian Maury. And You may not recognize the name, but you'll recognize what he does. So I'm actually going to let him explain what he's doing these days. I'm doing well, thanks for having me Yeah, I'm the executive. Director of the Patriots Hall of fame presented by. Raytheon Technology. And you know after. Covering the team back in two thousand for Patriots so politically, but Yeah to run the museum now having a great time doing that. And get to talk a little Patriot's history more. And you also doing the pass from the past podcast to correct. That's correct. which is something we enjoy doing and talking a lot of alumni about their careers and. Just kind of reminiscent a little bit. For those that have listened to it I highly recommend. It's the top of my playlist whenever it comes out it's There's some great stories that that you wouldn't expect to hear from. Superior. I actually enjoyed the one about hundred hundred Tippett. And Just kind of like how he was a little a little salty about his his time with the Patriots surprised about that. Because that was kind of why I ever real. First name I recognize on the Patriots you know growing up well. Guys. Talk to you know I'll give you a quick story and I probably shouldn't share it. But. These the best could start. I. We brought brought. A lot of the hall of famers will come back from in-depth for induction. And So in two thousand, nine, when Robert Kraft decided to induct. The only solvent. On the in the anniversary season for the team. Now, obviously the original owner and the founder of the of the Patriots. Jonah said to me you don't send me anywhere near the Sullivan. Family. Because he was. He. Was Salt him you that I'm not sure he ever got August over his hold out and I think seventy seven maybe it was. You know him and Leon Granville held out. On the Saudi offensive line there and I think he just felt like. You know they solvents weren't committing financially to the success of the team and so he he was talking about baton. You know if you know John He doesn't hide his opinions so. He said that. John Whatever. Long you been the director of the whole fame. Since it opened in two, thousand, eight, I actually went back. So I was Patriots Nineteen Ninety seven to two thousand five. covering the team is the editor of Patriots Football Weekly. And then left in two thousand five and went down to work at score and Providence. toasted. After the drive talk show with Scott Cordischi down in providence from three seven on weekdays and then when when the hall of fame under construction. I went back to the Patriots in December of two, thousand seven and helped finish the exhibit. And and get the building opened. The never had. So you're in charge of kind of like designing all the exhibits and things like that and putting those together. We have a great group that does that and thankfully the craft right committed to it you know in in terms of. The Fan experience and really staying. Committed to to making sure that the hall of fame stays updates probably spent. You know since two thousand since winning the Super Bowl against Seattle in two thousand fourteen. They've probably spent close to three million dollars renovating the building. So really committed to making sure that the fans are getting a great experience there and and to be honest with you, I think when we opened Our Super Bowl Gallery was. Just okay. And the impetus to really change. That was the the went over Seattle, the way that came finished with. Malcolm Butler and I really may have pause and thinking and make some changes. We actually got it. the gallery and the gallery in front of it, which was called the fan. Zone. and. We really expanded the civil exhibit, and then of course when the when the Falcon superbowl happens. You know we had to do something special for that, and so we actually built for out over the pro shop and extended the activities farther. And we had a home win against the rams. So that was easy. Yes So, they're actually making your job harder every time they win the Super Bowl or you're saying. Well. Yeah. I truly love it. I mean I love the we get to do something new like that that that really you know Kinda gets me going I you get motivated to see that stuff So you know if they wanNA keep trophies, we'll figure out where to put them. I know. How does somebody get into a job like that? Did you have any this sort of thing. I know and I made that very clear in fact. I was. Sad reached out about coming back and they really have the role defined yet. but they knew that you know they knew me I knew them I knew the culture. So I think. So I thought which often craft. Before I decide to accept the position. I said to him you know I have no idea what I'm doing, right? He said to me you'll learn. And, that to me it was kind of those kind of exciting that he had that anything me. Knowing I had never run museum and didn't really know that visit and then I would learn it and maybe some argue with our not but you know I I, actually went out and bought. Books on how to run a museum I read them. And I just go van and you know the exhibit five, it was easy for me because that's just the storytelling. But it was all the other things that go into operating a museum. I'm still learning. You know there's still things come up. From year to that I learned but you know the exhibit tar storytelling cards that that's still very exciting for me and and the other stuff was a great challenge that I hope I've learned and I we've run. A pretty good for the last. Twelve years. So it's been great. I loved it. All our listeners or like all three of them or whatever. From. On. The. Ticket price when you guys open like us the availability for. We haven't been opened March thirteenth. Typically typically. In a non Kobe situation. Where Open Seven days a week. We're open Monday through Friday ten to five Saturday ten to nine and Sunday ten to seven. We are looking at reopen putting very soon You, know depending on when this is but. I mean. So. Yeah. We we should be open in September. Limit Our will be limited I think. It'll be regis this weekend. That makes sense see how it goes and then go from there. So let's address the question on all of our minds. Troy, Brown is as awesome as we all think he is right. There were very brave Troy Brown podcast. So that's a great question. So what I will tell you on that and when I was covering the see. People would actually my favorite player. And I would say, I'd have to take Brown. Because I was talking to try one day and he made this comment to me that has always stuck with me. He said, I, come in every day. Just make sure my stuff is still in my locker. Meaning he never took one day in the NFL for granted. He came in every day approved it. And I thought that was a great message. That's something that's always stuck with me and something that I try to keep as far as my mentality does that. Nothing is guaranteed nothing is promised to us. You know community justice higher job every day then you come in. And that's what he did ask. More I mean, we we were Troy Brown fans growing up because my last name is Brown. So it fit and you know he was. The Troy Brown, you see on TV was at that prototypical. Patriot. Breaking more we hear about him. The happy hour. Decision. Off of the joy already talking about going to talk about the the bill two, thousand, two visit. To rely on that wasn't the game two, thousand, four, he drew. I only get to that. He was always just that guy who when you need to play, he's the one that will get it for you. Absolutely. Guys like you know the old cliche was if you need to get your nine if you need three to get your four catafalque would. Now guys just. Before I. Covered in. The play, he made nineteen ninety six on back against the giants in the final week of the season when they clinched out the. In in a by the off. On was a long play. Was Louis lying on his back when caught the ball I don't remember this play. Finally found someone who knows more about Troy Brown than Jesus. Into downtown won the Super Bowl that put them in Taylor range. I also. Mack actually for Max all in the play call on. Tax Protection. Running. That's amazing and of course you have the The Two Thousand One AFC championship game to where he has the wherewithal to scoop up the the blocked kick and lateral it. So that it goes for a touchdown instead of just a big game at the end of the half there. I really liked this direction this energy is taking just. Awesome Trove Browner's. Right. Now. Story for touchdown necking I. Don't know if you guys are you guys remember this but. They punted the ball and he fielded and bounce to the steelers Donaldson ended up being like sixty. On. The I can't remember exactly for what size or something and when they responded the ball spotted on the wrong hat on. On the recheck. And so he was to angle the check. He didn't get it on the right angle, tricon it and took it back to the house, and of course, you know the guys run down the field two times in broke and punk coverage always challenging, I think if I'm not mistaken John Kerry. was like the guy on the punt and I think. I think he they're gonNA always back into the end zone. Yeah. A committed the penalty to yeah he ran out of bounds and. The penalty was. Yeah. Oh, we did you wash recently. Yes we just. Couple weeks ago. I. Never passing. Yup sure was. and. and. He didn't go to the pro bowl your did. He Use. Alternate. Is only one and he went down I remember because I remember the picture of the total guys at the Super Bowl squad land breaking the. Light. Right. That was a whirlwind they're pretty. Yeah I remember his His, his first cat, his one hundred catch actually got overturned. Because it hit the ground or something bobbled it, and so we had to go and do it again to get the hundreds catch. Plastic. Hundred one. Probably one of the. Scrimmage that year. Oh. Yeah. Then it looks like a punt return from there does making guys look really really ugly. I believe did catch the passing gain Dana Patton at Indianapolis candidate through down ran for Allen. Yep that was him. Like this is just turning into the Troy Brown. Happy. Is Perfect. And say. Look. You did on the fake. No. Fake extra point or something I don't remember to. Take you. So four because I think that was also the game. Started pointing at that. You're watching trae Brown highlight video and they just showed that's Marla mccreavy. That how do we forget that? Have I do in the final minute lachey apples. In Yeah we don't talk about that. Well, we will eventually, we won't enjoy it. I'm. Pretty. Sure. Maybe we'll just watch the first half of that game yeah. Yeah. We'll just we'll pretend like that was the super bowl and. Your to. That was that was the super bowl that game because either team the bears. Yeah. Absolutely. I want to talk a little bit about your podcast. My first question is. When you had Thai Law on, did he let you keep the bottle of vodka he brought? Partner. You can hear that part. Good? Name. But yeah. Right? Yeah. We've we did. A In the two thousand one AFC championship game we did a drew bledsoe. Celebration. So we bought his wine and drank that a nice and that's really good. You didn't Andy. Can find it because. Of that. Yeah I got to try his. But we brought the two thousand one team backwards fiftieth anniversary. He supplied the lineup the event. So Nice. Oh Man. Online. And even you it has his own wide. Yeah List Boys. Episode David Hewitt, appreciation. Payment hewer or is it like Josh? mcbain? Did you know bledsoe's business partner is Josh mcdaniels but it's not. It's not the Josh. Got US also, it's a confused twice. I think in the world they say, yeah, the painters coordinator's office but. It's a different one. That's awesome. Thai law. I think we absolutely should a title episode where we drink vodka but I think that might get a little messier than get only lineup. And then we got his trampoline park after. That's Wanted. Tough. That's good. Kaneko win anyway or at least throw it up did some team kid. Didn't wasn't there a sport that they had back in the day where it was slam Ripley Basketball Slam Ball. That's right. Just. You know good when we did you know tell the throughout you heard the lawyer. Malloy. Heard the story about when he went to the Super Bowl. In Lieu I mean in New Orleans against the Rams in Super Bowl thirty six. When it gets to tower he's got this really small hotel. Room. and Richard Seymour. Was By he's like Oh man he's at see my home town I. Got this great big room. It's awesome and Laura Malloy was like. On what what are you talking about the rookie room that I did? Yes. The bill. And he goes coach. I don't wanNA sound like ungraceful are like I'm not focused or anything but. No my hometown socks. and Bill. was like really lie that Roy. About. The. Coach I'm sorry he walks away. So late around building goes up to him. There's nothing that says, Hey, here's a Kiddie a new room. To. So what the call? Awesome. Thanks. He was up to the room. And it was in the room and there's a trend known the room. It's awesome. And So Late in the day goes. Like you know like Oh, coach thanks so much. It's awesome. He goes. On the why but they put a treadmill in my room. and Bill Go. Yeah because it was my room still. Oh. Thanks count. Data that. Stay in his room in the other room I think. I think so. I mean that makes sense at all the created the best defensive game plan. In the history of the League that. From. Him. I wonder if we can get that room if we can go down to book the hotel. Hotel. A there we. Go. Lower. Cheap brew. So. I, traveled with the team back then. We stay on as a writer, the basis football weekly we would stay on the floor with like there was no separation. So I. Could have been sleeping on the next door to me now that doesn't happen a couple of years later they'll. They'll change that. Full thing. Put. Separate floors and the players have their own floors but but that that's The same flow with a bunch of the players. So he walked out of the room and then would be lawyer walking down the hall. But not anymore. Now is when you get off the elevator, there'd be tough drinks and stuff and snacks and drinks at right on your floor. Cool. Spoil. For show then yet I mean it's the Super Bowl. Right going to go all out. One hundred and twenty one dollars. Let's go. Oh. All right. The last the lawyer. Malloy. Thanks coach. Yeah. Nine. Yeah there it didn't get on that cause further towards Texas I think that really took the brunt at. Lake Charles I think it was it sounds familiar, right? Do you have any questions you want to ask Brian. Got Everyone, but I'll save it for the end here because what I'm going to ask. True. I got a question how how does how does the decision making? How decisions made and who gets into the the hall of fame. The Patriots specifically. Different. Every Year in about April media, people have covered team. KS What is on the tip his the Caitlin is not a hall of Famer. And by Steve Nelson or Steve. Grogan. Just to get some of that perspective from players played. You know back in the seventies and eighties. and then you know media members a couple of staff Kirsch who who's the vice president of content. So the Patriots call for low coverage teams, Patriots weekly still. Match Smith from the from Production Studio guys that have been around for quite a while so that committee meets and. Anyone can nominate it's player who has been retired for at least four years. so or Head coach. So if I want a nominee, a player I will stand. Feel like to nominate Laura. Malign might give a couple of reasons why but we really go through a nomination process. and. Then we go through each nominee and discuss or debate their marriage. So you know those conversations trade much say in the room to reporters in Rome obviously, but we like to. Keep it private. So people can speak their mind on on it a for or against a player or coach. you know people can report on their own opinions they want and just out really reporting on other people's opinions. so once we go through the whole nomination process discussed the nominees. Everybody's giving a ballot and you can both your top three choices high points for first place. Second Place one point the third place and the top three vote-getters. Come our finalists and they go on pictures, dot com for the fans to vote and determine who that years w will be. Seniors Selection Committee to every. It's kind of radically the every three years to be longer could be. It could be quicker but the senior selection committee which is made for the ten most senior members of that year's committee. Can meet and decide if there's a player who has been retired for twenty five or more years. and has been in previous finalist but not fucking by the fans. Senior Committee can intend can vote that person and with eight out of ten of. Cool. So it's a pretty rigorous process at that point. You know it's really to make up it really came out of of John More. It's not like the by the fence. John Morris was the first player that the committee voted number one that the fans didn't happen like two three years in a row. and. So we decided that they need to be a mechanism in place. John Morris the seven a center in the sixties and Seventies. There's GonNa be a lot of fans that don't remember him. You know it's not like he was catching touchdown passes. You know. So so we the system into place where the senior committee could if a player had been elected a final by the committee and was retired for twenty five or more years and got ten votes from the senior committee that they would be inducted. So there's Ben John Morris. A Houston Antoine and would be just to Couple years ago. Leon Gray. As the three players have been inducted. Dramatic was really cool interest. Can you nominate as people as you want in that first nation? Good. Yup. Typically are like race. Probably A. And then like. You gotta think that there's like a glut of hall, of pages, Hall of famers coming up Ishrat. And so yeah. So you know you you run into this situation where our players from. You know earlier eras. Not. GonNa have a less attention and frankly yeah. I mean, they are thought. But you know the guys who? Are, part of multiple people, teams that were major contributed on those teams well. In in many cases, not all cases, but in many cases more worthy anyway. So you know it kind of fits the bill. You know I look at pro football hall of famers and how long it took Tippett Tippett's get. and. You know. It's the lawn and Taylor, and he's the best linebacker out. And so but the Patriots weren't very good for a lot of those years. I certainly weren't competing for champions. Competitive Number of times but they weren't a- perennial playoff team. They didn't really compete for championship consistently and I think that hurt Andrei. Conversely the guys who won championships. I think pat. You know that that. Cap and and is it the end all deal I think that it's a it's a piece of the puzzle. If you're if you're a song contributor, a above average player on championship teams I, think that matters. Up. Piece of the puzzle. Committee Science. So, there's been a lot of discussion in like. Pro. Football fame and other hall of fame's of like how do you evaluate off the field stuff? Is that something that comes into those conversations when you're doing, it could question. I you know. We haven't had a lot of guys, right? Think that's an issue. whose name has come up. I mean I. could tell you that. I think Rodney Harrison was hurt for a couple of years by his suspension. So I think that hurt him but eventually you know I, think the committee came around. On that. you know there are people there are. People in the room that we're big advocates for what he did. On the field and the impact that he made and the impact he made inside the Locker Room I, think you know when push came to shove that Kinda rose to the top. But that's the only time I can think of. An issue that we've had with an all light. Bill parcells almost terms of like. That Don. Finally. Three or four times now. Hard No. Yeah I. think There's a lot of the divisiveness around Uh between fans about whether or not to have him in. Well, like member I used to hate Curtis Martin Shifted all my heat from Curtis Martin to bill parcells. And I think you're not alone in that I could make I could make. It's one of those things are finally debate to. You could argue either side on the thing. And so I'll give you my opinion. In that. You know I think the big argument I. Honestly read this every year whether it's you know everybody at the Boston Globe ranting you know whatever right Shaughnessy this year. Thanks Shaughnessy wrote this year. There's no patriots hall, Fan Without Bill Nelson. Which? Irish but I I certainly don't agree with him on. Them. Our. About coach. PARCELLS is the big argument that I hear people many kids that. She brought instant credibility to the Patriots. Okay and time where they had none and there's no I don't. That's not debatable right? That's true. I was argued. Because he two Super Bowl rings on one those with the giant. That's. GonNa put him in the Patriots Health and he credibility now. He's record is record for years thirty, two and thirty two. But I throw out the first year. The first year he was remaking that team changing the culture which he did he changed the culture. And then you know if you look at the pirates, he drafted that they continued to make you impacts. After he was gone, you got bledsoe Tree Brown Chris Willie mcginest Curtis Martin Ted Johnson. Tedy. Bruschi lawyer Milloy Cherry. Glen. You can't really give him credit charity. But you know. So so there are a number of guys that he drafted. And he changed the culture for sure. Now. Draw the first year the second year they're three and six they raw seven in a row and make the playoffs. You know that was the year. It's the seven game winning streak started with bledsoe's forty five and seventy game in Foxboro against the Vikings and twenty three, twenty overtime win. Okay. So then they went and around they finished with. Chicago and they actually. CLEVELAND BRA BUILD DONALD TRUMP'S CLEVELAND Browns in the wildcard game and they lose. They come back in ninety five with some higher expectations and they go six and ten. Plus Oh separated non throwing shoulder during the season. parcells plays them through it. He struggles. And they go six and ten. During that season. You know parcels didn't do a didn't do is press conference after the game in Kansas City. said he was dehydrated comes home that game and asks the final year off his contract his people reach out to the to the crafts ask for the final year off this contract. So they give it to them and putting in the stipulation into his contract that he check coach anywhere else in nineteen, ninety seven. So So they go through the ninety five season and they get to the draft. Now, he wants to drive to think it was a defensive lineman through Hudson and Bobby grier wanted to draft Glenn. So Robert has to step in. And make a decision I go with my head coach. On my personnel guy. My head college is in the final year of his contract and half for the ninety seven year to be eliminated from his contract, my personnel guys in it for the long haul. Goes with Bobby. Rightly wrong. But he decide those bobby, they draft Terry Glenn. and. which leads to the they want you to cook the meal. At least fight you shop for the. Groceries. Already asked last last year out of his contract. That's crazy. On Yeah Yeah and and then you know during ninety six super bowl season also sale. So you know I, mean I think that there's a lot of things enter into the frame. And so the supporters of his often tendency. Sites. First of all I think the media supports him. More. So than the fan base as a whole. And I think the media enjoyed covering him. You know he's he's very charismatic guy I never covered by started covering the team right after he laughs. But. So I don't have any personal experiences with them. So those guys I think our media he's still been notebooks. Gave Them. Great quotes he was good. TV They all like them. On joy covering him. So I think that that's the part of. And he definitely, you know he definitely had a major impact now. People talk about the guy who drafted that were part of the Super Bowl teams in the early two thousands and that's true however. They also don't bring up the fact that after he laughed with those guys chime in six, nine, seven, eight, five and eleven. And it wasn't until two thousand one. When coach ballot check broaden a lot of good veteran leader guy's roaming. Ryan Com. Anthony. Pledging. Otis Smith. A number of guys Mike Gravel. the David Patten these guys that were veteran guys that really added to character to the locker room because. And and listen I'm not taking anything away from those parcels. Draft picks they were all tremendous but were I, don't think they were ready to step into leadership roles ourselves left. A and so they really evolved and I think that bringing in those character guide into locker room. Even. The guy like Brian Great reputation and you know had. been. In but billy coach, I'll never forget in two thousand one. Two And they were playing the cold. And we three Brady's first start and the Colt scored eighty five points or something in the first two games and the Patriots and struggle to. And nobody gave the Patriots chance and Brian Cox Front of his locker that week and he basically said I won't quote him. He said Payton. Army said Peyton manning purchase during it's just like I put my pants on. And I'm not the Kinda guy to lank another man black. And and he said one week in this league has nothing to do with the next and they went out and won forty four to thirteen. You, know Brady Brady have huge numbers but Anton Smith. Ninety something yards. They had a couple of interceptions for touchdowns. Pylon had one or Smith. Had One didn't Brian Cox set the tone in that game with a hit on whoever that wide receiver was. One of the colts wide receivers early. And Trump Ethan. Slip through my notes. Who? Say. Yeah. Through what I said but slower. Brian. Got Me. Back. To their second. Wifi. That's a whole lot better. No, well, we lost I still see you. Know you back. Can you hear us? We, got you. Yeah still there see you I just can't hear you oh really. Volume. Hello Hey. We did hear you. But you can't hear us. You got. Yeah Sorry about that. Drone payphone. and. And you know but those guys really kind of carry the torch a little bit that season and brought Roman Phifer. You couldn't have a better guy in the locker room when Roman holiday. And when you added those guys to Troy browns and the you know the Tedy Bruschi and Ted Johnson's that already in the room. I think that that made all the difference in the world and then. Getting everybody to buy into the whole team concept and get leave the egos at the door. You know made a big difference as well. So you know, I, I just think that when you talk about coach parcells, those guys may impact, but it was later on took some time. It wasn't like when coach parcells left. You know that culture change didn't stay Pete Carroll. Brought his own culture. And so and at that time, it didn't work and there was a number of reasons for that. But so you know I I think that people that say coach parcells in our hall of fame is a no brainer I don't agree with that I. Think it's a great debate I think it would be a great induction ceremony. Don't get me wrong. But I'm not trying to take anything away from the guy. He's a pro football hall of Famer Hands Down. Yes. Not Off And and some of the debates we've had in the room center around a guys. Amount of time with the team. So Curtis Martin three years. Randy Moss three years. Even Rodney, came up because Ronnie I think was here for six pretty was injured for a couple of those so. But no one seems to really be bothered by the fact that parcells was only here for four. So you know I guess it's a great debate I. Don't think it's a no brainer by any stretch. I can't argue with people that say he changed the culture brought credibility to the team. He did those things absolutely. But I, don't think it lingered when he left. So I don't now I think people tried to argue is that you know bill belichick wouldn't be Bill parcells. And there's definitely some truth to that. You know built Bill Belichick was introduced to Robert Kraft Nineteen ninety-six. And so. Maybe, Bill Belichick is in here if it wasn't the bill parcells. Don't fall into the camp that bill parcells deserves any credit. What Bill Belichick is down here? Oh Yeah. That's my two cents on net. How? That toe, the line, enough? I mean, I wasn't I think it would be great if it would be great ceremony for sure. I, just think. It's a great debate. I don't think it's a no grande is my point. I think in the same boat so Steve's a hard. No, I'm I'm in the middle with brise must be Greg's. I think it's a very polarizing. You. Know a debate and there are people that. Think. CIANCI. No there's no all of fame without him in it, and then there are people that do not forgive the way he left I mean he didn't file in what the teams from the Super Bowl. I think again, piece of the puzzle like I'm argued I've argued actually in the meetings. Will. We need this consider Chuck Fairbanks because he was built ourselves before bill parcells here. Downtrodden Franchising the early seventies and drafted multiple Patriots Hall of famers including to pro football, famous John, Hannah and Mike Haynes. Now let's family Morgan's feed. Nelson Steve Grogan. Number guys through that. Through that period, the seventies I mean Daryl thinly who obviously is in the hall of fame in his career was cut short but peak rock tim socks Fan Cunningham. He that seventy six team on the cusp of championship when they got screwed by Ben, dry on a phantom roughing the past a call they were the only team to beat Oakland that year and they hammered Oakland in the regular season. Oakland. Went on to win the Super Bowl. And the Patriots left with a bitter taste took twenty five years. Old. And then the seventy eight team was the first team to win the division bought. Fairbanks. Left under a similar cloud of controversy. A college job I think at the University of Oklahoma and. Solvent got wind of it going into their final game in Miami and. I guess suspended him would be the right word for the final game and the coordinators coach Game in Miami. They reinstated him for the playoff game against Houston. They got buried by the oilers and and then he was gone. And so there was a similar controversy around his departure and again I think that's a piece of the puzzle. That doesn't sound as much like him as maybe the way parcells though. I'd almost sounds like ownership. Yeah listen I think that that. That, parcells. For this way I know that when ourselves when when parcells was hired before craft team. When Robert bought the team, one of his first calls came from coach parcel stained. He was thinking about leaving. So I think it was it was always a year year thing and I think his career bears that out like he left went to the jet short-term meant the cowboys short-term then he was with the dolphins for a little bit right or vice versa on the dolphins and counting. So he kind of jumped around a little bit and but I think he was just I. think that phone call was probably made to feel out ownership. But you know Robert gave him what he wide you mean signed David Meggett to a good sized contracts. They traded irving. FRYAR. They signed Bob Trach in and Roberts, the other offensive lineman coach with giants I mean he was doing what parcells Warren Do, and then over time I think you know I'm sure both sides would would admit to making mistakes in that relationship but I think the trust between the two eroded. Led to kind of a bitter break. and. You know that sort of thing happens especially in business but. I think a lot of businesses don't have fans attached to the outcomes of those situations. Yeah. We find yourself in having these conversations about football when you wouldn't about Web Development for instance or marketing or. Whatever it is a greg does. Agnes even now, Greg Dusk. Whatever. It is in the hall of fame of. I'm not working. Let's talk counts. In the hall of fame of Hall of fame. We don't give me a red jacket. They should Michael Hall of fame. Jackson. Mice. They way nicer than the ones that get you can't. Buy One from China thirty. Five Bucks You Put Your name on it. We Nice Yeah. I'm not gonNA live. The fabric probably comes from China but. But they're custom-made. So. Fair. You had you had one last question for Brian. As four of a favor that a question. I could die happy if Troy Brown knows who I am. Or we are. So, old Patriots Dynasty podcast. Yeah. So Hey, busies brown brothers that just love you try. You have to listen to enforce it I. Don't think even allowed to see him right now. Busy at the moment. Those and those guys get tested every single day right now. So, they're in like their own little bubble in terms of in the stadium. So. We're not. I'm not anyway I haven't seen a player. You know so. I'm in no hurry I gotTA. My life we're going through every. CAST around. Brothers. That's right. What can Brown for you? We're going to do a podcast about the Cleveland browns and do browns on Brown's. Gone but there's not many games to tower. I know what your thoughts are on week two, two, thousand, two against Buffalo. You WanNa get into this weekend. If you want to listen to the podcast that could tell you even done that one where. The second one I know two, thousand and two. We couldn't stop the run. Now. Let's. But. But that actually came about in the Kansas City game which right around three that's when it kicks free song. Over Time Yup. Steve Actually. Called it because it was one last play to tie the game up at the end of the game and exactly. Yes. He was thinking that that it would be a pass play but. That was the brought Steve Martin. He was like a big free agent acquisition. Some in the game the talk about. Yeah. I don't think worked out that well, no, no no I was actually reading a war room by. Yes thank you. Now is actually in there about how Bell check was so angry over his tape that that's all they did. One day was just go over how bad he was. Yeah. Well, they certainly startled at you. They lost that game in San Diego where they couldn't stop lt although. No shame. Not Be Actually Priest Holmes is pretty good too but they're both as well. I think priest Holmes went for almost two hundred yards lt dig over two hundred yards. And then who was it? That was on the dolphins at that point? Lamar. Smith. Smith I. Think Yeah. and. So those those two games and they lost to the packers and the broncos after that. Only row by the way they wore blue on blue in those two games they did and after that ballot check, they were never doing that again is that why I was actually wondering if that was the case 'cause that does sound like a Bell Jack Bay and then they you know when the NFL brought out the color rush uniforms, they they they caved in and. They had a choice. Now they're again right and that's Now that's less there. Now Yeah, the top is essentially that new top but I yeah, while they weren't at blue on blue at home I think rumbelow. Might be might be ready like real similar to the. I other. Jersey is basically the same exact jersey. But. Yes. So they lost four games in two, thousand and two. And that is the longest losing streak. In the past twenty dollar check our. Four they said, we have another eighteen years. Yeah, they've done it a couple times A. Couple of times not very often. Yeah. We have a website to figure this out. Right we do. Follow. Memory. I think A. Tough one. Yeah I can't. have been like. Around the beginning and end of the season sort of thing. Yeah. So I saw something for you when we opened up we. Were Kinda finishing up with the first year but we did an exhibit throughout last year called Yes it's still dynasty. But we compared the Patriots. Since two thousand, one to every team in the NFL and the dominance is remarkable and does anyone tells you that tells you they win because they're in the AFC's Dominate every. Division. percentage. Have over seven hundred winning. Every division except the AFC west and it's like six, forty, three against the West. So. So anyway. That exhibit is now kind of ending its run and we're transitioning to the all dynasty teen which will celebrate the individuals. That made up the dynasty. So we had fans vote throughout last season on Patriots Dot Com to help pick that that team and that will be unveiled here the next couple of two three weeks. Okay. I did I did that vote it's so much higher than thank I. Know I've I've tried to put that team together narrows down like Oh pick three cornerbacks and it was that's because they`ve Who would the second quarterback be so WHO's your? WHO's? We've had that. says. I. Who is selected but Yeah. It has to be a terrier 'cause acid. My. Who's your quarterback get the fuck? Scott Zolak. Scott. Coca, Olack a fucking role that guy. Is No three game losing streaks either. Really there's a couple. A one four in five games NO THREE IN A. Pretty. Good. Look A. Five game winning streak style. US We're actually yeah. We're coming up on the the big winning streak once we get through the two thousand, two season. This is where we're doing a watching a lot of losses this season but We'll never wash this many in a season again. After the starring with Tennessee game in two, thousand and three, you'll have a nice run. After that Washington game that's looking forward to it correct me to. WHICH DANIEL GRANDMA? Ollie. Come Down with past the game they might be able to win that one too. Yeah, that was even to close one. CAST. Watch him again. I'll give you a quick story on the Tennessee game undefeated remember this but. So. Steve McNair runs for a touchdown in that game. To get I think that made like thirty eight to thirty, which is the final score because tie just returned interception for touchdown before that and limped into the end zone. McNair scores a touchdown at the same time. The David Ortiz doubles off. Keith Falk. Al S I think it was because full was still playing for Oakland at the time. And so many fans in the stands that have their headphones and listen to the socks game. That McNair scores a touchdown and the fans start cheering. And then they still think they showed on the screen after that teases double but I remember after the game talking to Richard Seymour any was test. Out that he was like, if you WANNA watch the red sauce to the red sox. I love that. Funny, anecdotal story about that game that I remember I remember that. Yeah. That game. and. That started the the twenty one game win streak. It did. It angered them so much. Have so so many. Championship teams to choose from to cheer for checks and we're going to overtake the Red Sox mission accomplished now exactly. We don't talk about YEP so. All right guys something else. Just. Let. Him and we think he's the man. On Bounds love. Love. Your. Thank you so much for doing this. This has been awesome expressed. Thanks Brian. Lou. That's pretty really create again. predicted. All right. Now. Is Brian from the page fame. But what we're really here to talk about. Is the return of MOMS golden boy drew bledsoe. To the hallowed halls of what used to be Foxboro stadium but isn't because he never actually played in? Gillette stand. So it's not really a return. It's a for sign. It isn't it isn't. It's like. No it's like driving past year old house that you grew up in but then they knocked down and goals another house like a little bit over now year old houses a parking lot and a nicer house. Yeah. Dump and they're way more successful now. Outlets. Nice, Song. Is cars parked out there driving by the Jalopy? As. Soon, as you left, they won the lottery. That very next year. Yeah. Amazing. So. Yeah. But I think the announcers and the the broadcast really wanted this to be a good game. The whole intro to it was blood coming back to the place that he built and he pages we're nothing without him, and now he's come back to. Get Vengeance on the team to let him go because of. Tom Brady and all this. Stuff, kind of played that the other game in Orchard, Park they did. But this is more like a little old it did. But this he's coming home and like how the fans going GonNa React and apparently game is standing ovation which they delegate standing out as you should. Yes. Model. It was a big game for the standings to. Talking about the stem in five pats against the six and six bills so I mean, right this is to decide to division. This is a big game. The Patriots. Needed to stay in first place with Dolphin Donna. Say. Maybe even the jets to and the bills game game behind. So it was. One of those. Like the only year. that. There was parody and AFC East is now what we've been say the past like found that. Lost Yeah We've already like we've already talked about these bills. We know that they'll finish eight. Last in the AFC east. Do Not make the playoffs we talked about Greg Williams in the last time they. Back, the season they were having. People introduce the teens Africa. Who crapping on for ill. Joey. Harrington you guys are she Heard and they had the same thing where like somebody talks about what the game plan is GonNa be. Yeah and we had troy. Brown. You know and Troy Brown saying you know we have got to go out there and give it our all. Spread the ball around all you are receivers who are really good. Do our job including me and then they had Greg Williams in east going out there being like you got to kill head I. Didn't say that otherwise. Would they said, okay now Greg Williams is to talk about the best. What to expect I got I got my pencil radio like come on. GimMe. Tack the. A. C. L.. But he was all like. Stupid coach garbage he said of Greg. Williams garbage. So that was. You never know what goes on behind closed doors. You know true yeah. Well, unless it's cry but troy saying the same thing behind closed doors, you never know Steve you never know. I think we. Don't. We already talked to like three people who Troy Brown said he's the man. But they barely. Stir. He's about how we're going check his his locker troy eyebrow. Go check his own locker to make sure that. This stuff was still there every morning. I'm just saying never meet you hear us well. Aaron Hernandez's. Charity but I tell you what you wasn't that. Cool. Of like you're like behind closed doors Greg. He's Nope I got some skeletons baby. So no you. Let's be honest with each other. We get into those right now is that what we're doing? Well, I do have a I did do a little bit of dive on Travis Henry. Maybe his why. Perfect segue dark pasts well to. Back to like the bills this year, I. Found there you know they used to do those yearbook. Yeah. Video montages on Vhs site found in two thousand and two thousand. Patriots one. Yeah. I found the two thousand and two bills yearbook and it was appropriately titled a work in progress. So funny and then very. Tidal to. Building for the future of the building for the. Future Bullshit tag lines but they were talking about sign and Bledsoe and like getting all these quotes from players talking about how much they loved them and how he's like a blue collar guy that fits in Buffalo. And one of the guy said. There's no high Falutin ways. He's a true Buffalo Nian. What? I- Falutin Andy Poodle. We're in we're not a high Falutin podcast over here. No. We're. Big. W. Steak, steak and potatoes kind of kinksters. Callers literally blew right now you are wearing blue collar. High Full Does that mean like like you're playing the flute and you're keeping it high pompous or pretentious is what Google Dot com says. Travis Henry knows a word that I don't. Know. Yeah, it was someone saying about blood. So okay. Wasn't a quote from Henry here house. Floor. But what is the The other websites? What's the definition for Urban Dictionary Dictionary Ah? ooh. Stat check cinemas, Synonyms hoity-toity, and Lottie DA. Urban Dictionary. Here we go. High. Falutin. Groundless assumption at a higher status or affection than actually contained. That's that's not very. Good. Well. Dictionary. Definitions to they're not just like funny ones. We need urban thesaurus. Yes. I. Think you're right. Just go right there every time. Wasted Time Dictionary Been Terms High Falutin I thought I had something to do with the flu any spell it he's trying to check right now. Can you figure that out trying to find high? Flew them for some reason on high asshole on our reactionary? Fancy Schmancy God, it gets a little dark there. Zuhdi. Gucci. Dank obviously. McCann Mukhin. Like movie. New Jersey's bachelor degree. and. Then somehow we end up at come them stare and. It's one of those like how many. Ways, can you get to Nicholas Cage urban thesaurus always ends up it'd come dumpster. Always lead to come. Kevin Bacon. Grease, Kevin Bacon. Is. Come. All right love. What else about Travis Harry? Highfalutin. Speaking of companies. South. Yeah. So I went back all through his high school years. He was the from Florida? He was Mr Florida football his senior year. In Florida yeah is a huge deal. Yeah Frost Frost Proof Florida Frost Four. Yeah because. Off. Ross proof. Yeah. That's that's. Big Zach. Yeah So. He ran for four thousand plus yards in forty two touchdowns in his senior year. In one year in fourteen games, which averages about three, hundred yards, a game and three touchdowns. Walk me like every game next do. Yeah. So he was pretty highly touted coming out of the Outta high school he went to Tennessee, but I guess sharing carries with Jamal Lewis. Oh Yeah. So it took him a while to really get going. He was nicknamed. By strength goes strength coach for being as tough as a block of government cheese. That's a that's a stretch like we. that. Nicknames even ounces stretch. It's such a strength coach thing to say to. Choose. As done on government cheese. Turned out okay. Breast Milk No. Afford breast milk. Cheese. Yeah. So He He ends up getting drafted in the second round. Two Thousand and one NFL draft in the I kind of went down another rabbit. When they said his Wunderlich score was a nine. Out of how many? Twenty seven fifty. We'll. We'll come back to the to the Wunderlich scores have more on that. Yeah So I mean, we all kind of know what he did in. His career. You know yet bounce around a few teams at one pro bowl year. So let's get to his personal life the more interesting stuff. He was actually married once at age nineteen. Woman that was six years old and him. As Azov when. When this article was written he had eleven children by ten different women. and. then. He's in jail so he obviously can't pay his child support payments well. Why. Is He jail? You may ask well. On September thirtieth two thousand and eight Henry was arrested by the DA after allegedly being involved in multi-kilogram cocaine transaction that occurred in Colorado. Multi-kilogram Multi-kilogram cocaine. Shit. Oh. Yeah. Henry. Wait for. Henry portrayed by court documents as quote, the ruthless guy in a cocaine trafficking ring face ten years to life on federal drug trafficking charges. They reached up holy agreement. And that that Uh. Ten Years in prison plus four million dollars in fines fleiss at least one, hundred, seventy, thousand dollars a year and child support payments. Unrelated but. That's why he can't pay child support. Ship these out now then ten years two, thousand eight. Ya. Him on the. pod. We can't pay. Any hasn't gonNA. Pay Child support whereas. Fair. We'll start go fund me. Love to get him on the how how much money did you have to spend a year on child support? Hundred hundred, seventy, thousand yeah. We can one hundred seventy, thousand dollars. Maybe we'll get translating how much is that per kid? Or Ten or eleven kids right the. Yeah That's not even that much money. Yeah like seventeen. Out? Not even yes. Probably about a thousand bucks a month per. One, hundred seventy, grand a year. Damn. I mean, they do say that kids are expensive but fuck. Thirty should've stayed with the lady married at Nineteen. All this could have been avoided. That's true. Love the one you're with Greg. Yeah. That's why I stay with Kelly is you know I don't Wanna I don't WanNa. I don't WanNa impregnate all these women if you break up, you know. What it is. You'll be. All right. Speaking of being all over things. Is that your Travis Henry Deep Duff Yes that is the trap. Sorry. I. Got some more stuff on the Wunderlich but that's that's what I got on. Henry. All right. Let's do the Wunderlich. Then I was just going to dive into the game. But. I'm more interested in scoring nine and a one. Yeah. So I mean, all this like is nine. Good. So I looked it up and it's it's quite clearly knocked good. It's one of the one of the lowest scores that in history. Really. Well the lowest ever was a four by Darin Davis. So I was like I was like a let me fig I wanna see what kind of questions they got on your side I actually took the Wunderlich that you can figure right? So, we have to guess. Wunderle out of. I. Took it two times. Okay. So you WANNA try and guess my average score out of fifty fifty. Nine. Heavy burden you could sitting over you're talking shit became. So yes. So here's the thing. I think you have a tiny tiny penis so I'm you say thirty five Yeah. You're. It's a good point. It's so either way. Either way you fucking yourself travis. Travis Henry is definitely a big dummy. dickey come on board. Eleven kids right. Go to. Eleven kids. So. I. Took it the first time and I got twenty nine and then I, got the second time. I've got a thirty six. Oh. Yeah, right. So pretty good Brady. Got Brady thirty three. So so you're right now rain Mike. Brady smarts and looks range. Oh, it's a shame. He's got a small Dick Massive hot until he went to then it's shrunk, right? So the thing about it though is it's it's fifty questions. But. It's only twelve minutes, right? So it's really You're racing against time which I think the first time I was like I ran out of time but the. M I guess is a lot of people are getting nine zero like single digits are just sitting. They don't know how to take the test rather than. All the questions you could probably figure out if you had enough time. But a lot of them are like. They varied difficulty. So if you had to take the test of like arts, skip the hard ones and go to the ones that are easy. But that being said, some of the questions are I screen shot at some of them. You this one, which of the following numbers the smallest. Point six, eight, five, point, three, three, or thirteen. That shouldn't take you fifteen seconds to figure out you know. Six Thirteen. The six month of the year is. February march April May June. Even that's not everybody should get down but then there's Yeah there's other ones like this. One for individuals invest in real estate together and agree to split the profits equally and invest twelve, thousand, six, thousand why twenty-five thousand Z's seven thousand if the prophets for the first year with twelve thousand one, hundred, twenty, thousand why receives blank less than if the prophets were divided in proportion to how much they invest? God like that one. You could probably figure it out but. Fifteen seconds I share right So Thurs pretty interesting to hear some notable names. Scores Yeah. Yeah. We're talking top or bottom. or we've got both. You want to start on the top or WANNA, start start to save the bottom for on a sacred. Okay. So there's one person ever this got A. Perfect score. was. It Fitzpatrick. He didn't go to Harvard Fitzpatrick. got a forty eight. New. Perfect hat. Mac Nellie some fifth round pick in one, thousand, nine, seventy, five, where we play where does this underlines been around and won't to? I guess. What position did he play? I don't know most of these are quarterbacks though these that are high up there. Mike Moolah got a forty nine warning the other. The other forty eight on here is a New England patriot. Well you just said. Half his first name. Mike Lonnie Paxson. Now. He's a long positions replay. Yeah. Tight end. Aaron Hernandez. He's on the other list. Not Gronkowski's on the bottom. Magic. On. Rutledge. So, it's not your main wiggins. Is Someone. It's era that we've been watching. Yeah. Really. Battled scam. CLEVELAND. Ben Watson. Oh. Yeah. He's a smart. Dude. Fuck? Yeah I get about the Watson. Era. Damn. All right. Gardner Menchu. got a forty two shit. Yeah I know he's not as dumb as he looks exactly. That's what I'm saying he's got. He's got a huge deck. Swag. The Flint clearly not yup. nope. Calvin Johnson. A forty one mega join. Yeah. I thought that was surprising. There's not many receivers on here. Ally Manning thirty nine Tony Romo, thirty seconds. His brother Tiger for. Josh Allen. Thirty seven. Wow. Wait hang up. Is there any questions about not throwing exceptions on this? I'm going to guess no. Where did Josh Allen go I want. My. Big Open Space Yeah. So let's let's look at the bottom half of the list. Thank you. Good stuff. Here's Hernandez. Scored Higher. There's a lot of names down here. Donovan mcnabb got a fourteen or fifteen or. Jim Kelly Got Fifteen Lamar Jackson Thirteen. Ray Lewis Thirteen God damn. Terrell Davis. Ten Sebastian Sebastian Janikowski got a nine. Rats perfect. Talk about a big dummy. kicked. Vince Young. So here's an interesting one, vince young go to six, and then he was re administered the test the following day and got a sixteen. So that's why I'm saying like this probably has to do with like. Did you study. Did anyone explain how to do this to? There's so much like draft prep that they should be like a you can go on the Internet. Test like. You know before you go to combine, take a bunch of Wunderlich tests the. To. Think probably has to do with like standard it standardized testing a lot of like it's your mental approach. So people that like if it's not your skill I think it's a lot easier to like shut down and be like I'm not even gonNA try. It's almost like. Weightlifting with me right. I can't do it. So just like I don't WanNa do it because I suck at it. You know but it was if they actually put the time in a little effort, I bet they could score like reasonable scores. This is to me are all people are like I don't see any value in this so I'm just kind of bullshitting. I would take test get down to a couple of fifty fifty answers only a multiple choice. I bring a coins. the coin toss. Markdown headsails, but I do have pretty quickly I was there and you can learn this flipping coins. Yeah. Stiff. Nearly wanted bills until you know. And that's some of the other thing is like I don't think there's anything you get points offer a wrong answer. So these people that got like A. A, seven you can literally they're all like four. Choice questions you can. Your guess every time you get better for all of them and get hired, right? Yeah by. Frank. Got Six. Clearly addictive of like how good of a career Maybe it's actually probably. More. Indicative. The lower you get the more focus you are football obviously were studying how to take tests. And then the two lowest. So I that Guy Darin Davis. And then Morris Claiborne that cornerback from. Dallas got a four. Try. For right in your name like I don't think. Four. I think. Specifically have to try to get four right. It'd be hard for me to get a for them to get like we haven't been hit in the head of the whole show. The hell. What's your name Ooh? The tough ones? I. Spent spent six minutes on his name. What is your favorite color? Do. Not All right. So speaking of failures, let's talk about these bills. Would you guys give this as watch ability score greg, go I. Would stay watch the first APP. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. So I mean it's kind I would say, let's say. Four. And a half. Three and a half because the good thing is it's one of those games where you don't have to watch the whole thing you watch the first half and then you can just turn it off and you don't want the even watch like. The first quarter and the fourth quarter, right? Because the first quarter of the Patriots score or three times on all three drives with. A blood to interception like Mr Air. Wrinkled in. Plastic. Leads interception. Yeah it was. A batted ball. Got Bad batted straight up in Seymour picket. Which Sandwich to Tom Brady touchdown passes onto patent one to back shoulder to Donald Hayes of all people. Watching that and I was like, where's Hayes then all year and I think I figured it out. Because on, there's a one on the field goal the first drive. We're branch. Got Her. Yes. And because he's out Hayes in, right? Yeah. So Hey, Scott kind of like user big signing off season and he's he's been pretty decent when he's in there. Yeah. But as Ryan, she's like ranch came in as a rookie and just took his job. I think that's exactly what happened Donald rather rather for be Hayes. Hobo not bad. That's me. I like it when you guys like my nickname's. Let me try withdrew long bled. So okay. Okay. Because what do you mean his long? Long. Long Long BLEDSOE. Apparently. So what I was reading again and I was the new book that came out. Patients, dynasty or something like that and unlike the first chapters about so being in the hospital and apparently. The hitch like broke his. Read like a bunch of ribs and one of them. Like poke through an artery is lungs and so filled up the space around his lungs with blood which collapsed the lung. So, what they did is a put too because they they could have those supposed to go in and like cut him open to to drain it, but they did data would have had to cut all the muscles that you used to throw the football with. So they basically like a tube in there. And Suck the blood out and then had another tube like in his arm that would put the blood back in where it was supposed to go. And so we're GONNA do this for a couple of hours, and if it works, we won't have to cut you open and you'll be able to play football again and if it doesn't. This could be the end of your career right now. As Damn stupefying sketchy. Yeah. I don't think I was ever aware of how serious of an injury that was yeah me neither I knew it but like an detail, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's nuts that that's only now coming out. It feels like hook you up to a sump pump. This works we're going to circle your blood like you're a fucking dialysis station. Say Like fucking a hose. Pool. To like a vampire fish tank. Water in pump the water out pump the water pump water up now it's clean and it's where it's supposed to be I think dialysis is the better. But that's not nearly plenty of a visual. Hooked up to. Rich tank. It's a Chinese fire drill. Right Steve. Since It's not. For the. Red Blood Cell Chinese fire drill. Let's. A So, yeah. So that was kind that was the first quarter in the last quarter was. Blood cell throw more options and peerless price fumbling, which made me feel real good because he was talking too much trash being down three touchdowns the entire game. Thank though I mean we went out seventeen nothing immediately. Yeah, and we only won by ten. Ten, but there was there was A. The bills are getting a little momentum day. It was. It was seedy after the first CD in the third quarter but. Then blood they turn the ball over three times at around the fourth quarter. So the classic Bledsoe Game I think we said this last time we pay the bills but his his stats are even more blood. So this game yeah give me because it's it's super typical bledsoe. Thirty two of fifty, one for three, hundred, twenty, eight yards, two touchdowns and four interceptions. and. Most of those three hundred yards came in garbage time because he's hooking the ball before. Every play. I think. Some. Record for three hundred yard games by Buffalo Bill and the season. Really. No he crossed three hundred and five completions, which was bills record in week fourteen, which is impressive. But he also through four and a section on the day, which is the most he's ever thrown since nineteen, ninety nine. That is the most shocking stat of the night. Yeah. That he went that many years while touring four and seven and a game three. Three three years. Well I mean that's a long time for me. Sat on alternate doesn't want. So that makes sense. So I can say I wrote this down because there's a lot of shots of Ju- blends in this game as you would expect, and in terms of like the Patriots had really handsome quarterbacks over the years I think drew bledsoe's underrated in that. Of course, I think he's a handsome dude. chiseled face very just like underrated because other handsome people coming through there. Yeah. I. Mean early drew Bledsoe wasn't handsome with the ball cutting the the bullying shinbone brady wasn't the but he didn't look right with. Jim Yeah. What did happen to brace Chin but. That meant that some work done the sum. That's suspicious. If you live with who he lives with you, you would work onto how beautiful you think you are if I got my Chin but erased and then I, could you know marry someone with as much money procedures dissolved probably that too. Yeah. So where's he on your commoner then? Good questions I mean that's how many bill those on saying. How many? Buffalo? Bills does. I mean. Old Tom like. not, old, Tom Brady but like we're talking drew I know but I'm mother like. Like Post Chin Tom Brady is probably my number one. I I personally would put drew bledsoe over Jimmy G.. In. Vary he's got to be on that list. He's an attractive. Do I'm gonNA put Jimmy G. top he's supermodel. Jimmy G. Q. What a nickname. Yeah. Eat. Yeah. He he doesn't quite do it for me. Something's not quite right. He's got the rugged good looks in the Boyish Hinson, this that you is talking about Greg. I Dunno something off. Yeah. There's. Do you guys think demand dollas ugly. No No. Jimmy. Similar. Now I think Julia the best looking one. Yeah. All right that's you just think Julian has crazy beard into quality respect that you could look good but. Look dumped but now like a real dump. Just It's actually a valid point Steve. So I, just came to a realization. Of this drew bledsoe poster I used to have do you remember? Always that said, ten reasons drew bledsoe will kick your butt. Yes. Having somebody to be an absolutely ridiculous. You get into a school fair to a book fairs and the Book Fair. I also got the law firm one with lawyer entire. Dow. Is My. GO-TO. I've found this poster though you guys got computer from you to look it up. If you WANNA talk about the the Commodore Drew Bledsoe Shit Man, what do I google the it? Ten reasons drew bledsoe we'll kick your by. This. All my God is a ton of like Nice in a studio quality photo shots here bigger with Nice life I'd call all night. I've probably still have this poster. Because there's in the shrine. So it's pro in the basement right now. Could dig that out here. I've. So how about what if we find it? Can we give it away as a as a prize? You be all right with that. Oh Handy. That's that's a tall. Ask It is. The tall ask is finding because you have so much fit in that basement. Fifteen boxes of your crap. It's all from the shrine. I had one box with my name on it and went a winter wells home. Half the Shit in there yours. All my stupid outfits here and there to. Chicken at is going to end up in a box. Parents Basement at some point. At given away to. We're GONNA give away all Greg's childhood possessions as long as you don't throw in my for coat I'll be. Read the. The reasons, Greg, hit him with us. Well, there's no, there's no real reason. So it's just ten owners. But five of them are these like. You're not quite black and white, but they're like CBS or separate however you or. Black and white studio type like I'm in a dark room and he's like lifting weights in three of them one he's doing a bicep curl with a with A. Sleeveless shirt. On? Bowling football pensively. It's just it's so ridiculous I I. I actually remember having those conversations with myself as a kid like, what are the ten reasons and looking at each? Mike all he's got good footwork. There's one where he's handing it off is he's a great. He's a great play action. Decision. Maker. Scott Gray biceps not. On this play. Look. Good. Mental toughness. That's the one with him looking pensive. That's right. Yeah. That's a that's a quality. Yeah. If we find that. We will let listeners now and I think I. Think we're going to keep doing what we're doing with the. The best shot just right us a review at the best review. Will rape this broadcast dot com slash bats. He's memorize that even have to read it off anything. Yeah. That's the way to go. You can't read. It'll be in the show notes. That's so yeah if you want to raise us for a chance to win. If we can find. Greg's. Of Drew Bledsoe, it's probably down this classic drew Bledsoe softcore porn it. Yeah that's that's witness. Beautiful Man. In these pictures though I don't think I can't think he's better looking than Jimmy G. in Danny Amendola who'd you say Danny Amendola or drew bledsoe? Deep. Deep Lindores. good-looking. He is I. Think I'm still on the BLEDSOE train them. Number two of drew buds into inte- lead room. Hang on, let. Yourself let's let's shirt. Nice. Let's just say Oh, I picture of drew bledsoe shirt. All right. Let let me just give you a an array of what's happening here. The first one is well, looks like rookie drew bledsoe with. Bill parcells in those old school started jacket. So that makes you look super puffy and fat. He's that. Top. One of the top results is Tom Brady combine pitcher. Fan, that's what I was getting to. The Super Bowl Gay Guy Guide the GIG guide to the Big Game Super Bowl ad show via. Let's. House report. So part of the Super Bowl. Eating Vagina a giant turtle gay rights. Supporters. Of the forty nine rain wise. You Blitzer listen that's not true blood. So that's Kapernick Holding. Turtle Sammy. Let's. Not. Allow Drew Butler shirtless photos. Oh, Andy's very upset. Yeah. So I. Guess I can't. I can't say for sure that drew bledsoe's number two. Yeah. That's a shame. You were just googling drew bledsoe shirtless. God doesn't cut nothing. Welcome to the Parkas Greg. Let's just cut to the Jason Google bledsoe naked. Let so poor. Akers look like drew bledsoe. Deep fake baby. Some reading Jew, bledsoe. Wunderlich. scored. Who? Let's figure that one out what do you think it is you had to guess. Like twenty twenty, five right in the middle nine who gotta. Guess. I looked it up. Dude thirty six. Thirty seven Oh even better. You outsmart and Tom Brady nude boy is wicked smart. Blaine Gabbert scored a forty two. I bring it up because. It didn't fit my narrative. We'd it. Remember the old Cleveland Guy. Better like he's older but he's got a really high Wunderlich score. Twenty seven never mind. Josh mccown A thirty Andy Dalton Twenty, nine case you're wondering. I wasn't Gronkowski to thirty two. It's better than you. Greg. Thought. That, he had somebody take that the veteran. ooh, that's a good one steve. Guesses. I think is is probably pretty bad. and. He's Super Smart. Psychopath, not less than twenty feet gronk. I don't see anything for he w went to combine. Hernandez Wunderle. Seventeen who? I nailed it. Right on the topic. What about like Tyreek Hill. This. We're just going to do this where here. tyreek Hill wonder like twenty seven bad. Bad. Who just like comes off as wicket. Dumb. I mean take your pick. What about Cam Newton you think Higher Load Rating. slightly. Lower. I'm saying hi twenties or Grady Thirty two. Thirty three. Plus one. twenty-one x twenty wine, which is below the NFL quarterback average of twenty six who's who's a hideous whereabout Terrell Owens? That'll be an interesting one. L.. Go. These give a guess still. See this could go either way right? It's either really high really low really low twelve. Half. Hour lower by half six. says. Jerry Rice. He strikes me as someone that would be like this thing is stupid I'm not doing you know. X Jerry Rice fifteen. Do we could do this all day. We really go down the list of the what's your list Gregory, all the guys of the bunch of babies. Hall of fame, the Breeder Hall of fame. Yeah I don't think I had I. didn't think I'd. Put the the one next to those and do like a power ranking where kids times Wunderlich Score our rank because clearly the size of your Dick. Right relation own y'all we should do a scientific mathematical deep dive into the way of kind of build measure drew says Dick Hello drew. For Science Project on. Stein's Frangieh. It is fascinating though it was vince young yet he had a rough gohmert. Just feel bad for him. All right should we talk you WanNa do best and worst on this game I mean there's not much happened outside of those quarters sure you WanNa give them a quick recap of the game though from start to finish don't think we said the final score important file scored twenty seven, Seventeen Your New England patriots makes to a garbage time bills touchdown which I thought mirrored. The last bills drive in the. Time when we played them in Buffalo where the drove, they drove from like the go from their own twelve joe blow down the field and started like chuck it in the end zone and it looked like they're weren't to get out of it anyway. But this time they did even though didn't matter. And they're like already at four becks commentators like I don't know about this they should just not sling it. Is Drew fucking blood son? Sat you know it's coming Oh so and molds made this like circus one hand. Spinning catch to their other touchdown clear opie, I. Yeah. They commentators like one hundred yards away and we can even see the fans are right. Yeah it was. But. But yeah, we go up seventeen nothing like immediately. The bills get that one touchdown kind of turns around with what Seventeen, seven at one point I believe. Or twin now they they didn't score until the second half. Twenty seven bills had some good momentum. Field Goal Twenty ten at that point you're like, okay and then the Patriots way tried to like do the backbreaker thing they tried to end around but it was too. Daniel Graham I think was the guy running the into rowdy fumbled it. So they ended up going three and out on that like fuck this, you can feel the shift happening. But that appeals price fumbles. Like I play the drive. And then the Patriots Touchdown Antwan. Smith. From their blood just starts throwing exceptions where was that and Whatever it's called the Philly. Specialty to it now. Oh yes. So that was going to be over at the end of the my best second quarter and put us in the show. No, CDC this Greg Display. I don't think so. They had to touchdown by the by the end of the first half they'd had two touchdowns called back penalty. So it could have been instead of seventeen both for. Both of them were called back on. Chem, faulk scored two touchdowns in this game. And what was running touch our users like ran in untouched from Dion branch when we got hurt. Well. Then they had three touchdowns call back because I remember towards the end of the Game Yeah Falk had a TD callback. It was like a long touchdown run where he got untouchables callback for holding and it was like a bullshit call. But this one greg. was called back and. I mean, you remember this play working. Because they've tried it in other Oh. Yes. I did see this. So it's basically if you guys remember from. The dolphins it's happening yet has every talked about it. where? Kevin faulk takes a direct snap. Brady out of shotgun and runs to his right and does a throwback to Brady. In this case, scores a touchdown, and this is there with would have been brady's I only ever received. Yeah. You never call them. And they. Bullshit call said Brady moving at the snap. Millions have focused move at this out which. I mean it's fine. He was moving sideways though so it should technically been. A legal anyway. But Yeah So yeah. It was it was bullshit callback, but it was the exact same planet Iran against Miami were worked which I think we've already seen. Yeah. Because Brady talked about turning A. Touch into a forty thirty are games like that. But this is the exact same play and it worked perfectly but I got called back which was bullshit. That's my best and worst. Of. Not Dancing the More use it was clear I. think he's GonNa, Cool Cool Heights yeah you should've you feel like you. Would do that back in those days years more fired up than he has no celebrating Tampa Bruce Arians real hard, ass. Pretty. LOVES GETTING YELLED AT BY HIM. Find Out. Yes that was brutal and the other two touchdowns that were called back also brutal but it was like at the end of the day the Patriots. Still waters, pledge of missed opportunity but it was twenty ten at one point in the bills definitely had momentum. Yes and then they kind of run saw started throwing picks will start from the ball and they just kind of shot themselves. Yep Got. In cuts down to close it out this is a classic blood. So interception in there to where he's in the grasp and he. chucks it into traffic and it's like Oh blah middle upper. Middle of the field never gonNA work, but desperation. So I was looking at the. Box Score. And that last drive that started on their own twelve. That ended in the touchdown to molds. bledsoe attempted fifteen passes at one drive. It'll grow. Four five there is a couple of like quarterback runs though. No. Middle. For ten yards. Left. Guard for. One year. Amazing Yeah, you're just putting the team on his back baby that's but apparently the week before he had done something similar. But that's what I'm saying. He's like he sees the new Families House of really nice and then he goes back to the House and. Orchard Parkin's like man just like modeled house. Team back. Fifty Times a game it's true. But I mean last week who they? Played? They played the dolphins they beat the dolphins right. And it was in in buffalo in the smell and he threw. Hundred and seventy seven of his three, hundred, six yards. On his last three completions around like huge. Plays that that went for touchdowns and that's what won a game. Fuck ridiculous. The do can throw football also give him that. Not Always was team but. The matter it's. Also interesting that they showed a step on the field Burma Field Jesus. On scream was after twelve games in two thousand, one, the Patriots almost exactly the same spot as they were this year. And yet somehow. They didn't win the super. WanNa wrap this baby up is up. Give me a best and worst greg. My best soon were share. My best. Is. Game was good notes and written everything at a guy who use them all. Drew Bledsoe's performance could probably be both best and worst. A fifty pass attempts three hundred yards, four picks touchdowns to sacks thrown in there too. It's just. The. Most bledsoe stat line you could ever imagine. Even the interceptions were very blood. So ask. Yeah. It was a very fitting return. It was exactly what you want Steve. All right. I don't know if this is the best or worst, but the Patriots punted from the bills thirty. They did like Titan game can Bella check did. He sucks. That was after the fault touching a callback. Yeah. Yeah and so there's like even Viteri missed a field goal for about the same spot last drives there's like fucking funding but thirty. You get roasted today's social media were forty seven yard field goal in the wind wasn't happening and then not a staff. Yes. The best or the worst. But the commentators talking about how Chucky Jon Gruden used to be a ballboy Indiana. For what's the famous coach their cold snow by? Yeah about. Jon Gruden as a little kid bond. Ballboy. God. Dow Hundred and. There's a picture in the Internet of that probably. Find it as there is. The Fisher deadline it'd be like breaking down film tilling Megani this guy so good basketball. Think breaks. strivings that kind of do. You've never seen qb can't, buddy. Everybody's steps in there is the best. That's right. Fire. Left why? They play. Another best tyler ahead pick in this game right? Very good. Yeah. I'M GONNA have to call out tyler. Every time makes an interception just so people realize how frequent it actually is. It does come up lot. Like every other game titles Guinea pig also call Dr Ronstadt line forever I was just about to say, exactly if you're calling out tight long troy brown because he was breaking ankles in this game those quick bubble screens to him. To stand back and you can just feel the fear radiating. Six farm on one of them. Well, he broke this guy's angles. All look. We're going to cut inside and they just like jumped outside the guy who just fell over the maze. Is that one of his three catches for twenty seven yards sick. You Sit in your Shit Mentor program no I'm just saying we don't. We don't got to wash his balls every game you know yes, we do with. podcast he. Runs. You also forgot to mention his one carry for twenty one yards. Thank you very much. I guess. You wouldn't look that up. KYLA, it doesn't fit doesn't fit my narrative. Price, peerless actual retail price at a good game. Nine nine for one of five. How many that in garbage time there were those were all the completions in the fifteen. BLEDSOE's for when the order now one on molds at oak touchdown multi both Dave Ruben Brown today of an offensive lineman catch pass in this game. No it must be a bad or something. One reception for negative six yards. Ruben. Brown. The car. God's guards screen. Their cousin bathing. It's worth watching the game probably to see that play fat guy with bond is an fucking love that stuff. It's never building. Yeah. was. 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August 27  Hour 2  Scott Patchen, CSU Rams D-Lineman | Football Friday!

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August 27 Hour 2 Scott Patchen, CSU Rams D-Lineman | Football Friday!

"The five minutes after the one o'clock hour welcome back to the whole show powered by pd energy. Live from the article in specialist studios very excited about this. Next guest had the chance to talk to a couple of weeks ago. Of course the issue is media day. Scott patch colorado state rams defensive end who is on watchlist after watchlist. Preseason all mountain west team. It's exciting times for this. Ramstein especially on the defensive line. Scott my friend. Great to get you on the program. We've been wanting to do it for a while. Thank you for having just Started answering questions you got for commoner at no some fun man. You're a week away a week away. Finally it's kind of. It's crept up on us but at the same time it feels like forever. Yeah you know. I mean it's just the anticipation been building over the entire summer and offseason so excited for it to be here excited to finally be in the trenches with guys excited to finally get the san going home. This defensive line. We've paid a lot attention to the d. line. Of course the offensive line to you guys have been going at it and fall can't make each other better but to there's certainly a buzz around this defense for ceus you and that scott. That's not always been the case around colorado state over the years. We started to get some samples of that last season in the short season. But make no mistake. I mean fans out there talking up this defense and specifically this defensive line on i mean you know it just it happens when you get a little taste of success you know. We had a little bit of that is a defensive line unit last year obviously as you just mentioned Just mainly going forward looking to build on that you know. I can't really explain on that more. So you know i. I feel like we can't buy into or take the cheese. Anybody would like to say you know we just gotta continue to do put in the effort in the work you know. Let the cards fall where they will talking to. Scott patch. Colorado state rams defensive. Line week away from that. First game against south dakota state and boy. That's gonna be fun night friday night. I ask everybody this. Because i want to get your take because some people differ in this. Are you cool with the friday night thing or are you like. Hey we're in college. We wanna do saturday. I used to have an opinion but you know now that i'm not a guy that in in person classes online student. You know my master's program. So i've got i've got no care in the world. You tell me what. I'm going to plan on lineup. Scott tell our listeners. Your masters i love when people listen to. What are what are you. What are you wrapping up. What are you. What are you focusing on getting getting masters in sports management and i'm focusing in business with it so it's going to be an ms masters enforcement yet. It's gonna be msn migrelief dasa men. Congratulations on all your success. There and again your success from last season over your college career. Are you have a solid relationship with coach. Adaza you've had one for quite some time. Your family has a great relationship. Can you elaborate a bit about About about that relationship on the side of with your head. Coach steve adagios. I love coach. Obviously he was the big main attraction to becoming the issue without him. I wouldn't be here would not be in the position. I'm in you know along with coach eater and coach anton smith. You know such a great relationship with that was a match. Having to be honest with you. And i don't know if coach dies your plan that or or knew that but you know it's just me and coach smith. We headed off day one and you know he's just probably you know the person i'm most excited to talk to every day in the building because i'm on the same page is him and he knows exactly where i stand on everything. So that part's awesome. But yeah i've coached jazz. You since you know how the real young kid he recruited my older brother matt to florida and then He took a temple job for a year or two and then he ended up at bc when he went to bc. That was my brother. Matt's last year at florida new used his last year of eligibility to go to Boston college and spin it that year. That was the year they had believe. Andre williams was the heisman trophy candidate. My brother was blocking for him. I think he was like a left tackle. Right tackle one of those positions for that team. So they thrived. Run game there Obviously when you recruit a guy and you bring in you go that relationship within the family. My family well as coach down. I remember the home visit. He hops in the kitchen with moms and he started cooking for. That was back when i was being recruited. And you know coming out of high school when i was being recruited Bc was easily number two for me. The only thing that made me not want to even consider dc though calculated to miami time but it was senior night game at bc. And i'm out in me and my dad went and watched his friday night. Little walk through and it was cold. You know it was probably like thirty. Forty you know and i remember. He looked over and he goes. We can tell who the florida boy is. because i'm on the edge. When are we going inside. I want to be on the. That was probably the moment. I realized that he probably realized he ain't come and bc well colorado's device because you're going get some cold days but you get some pretty okay days to throughout the course of the season and then big eighteen year old and picking between you know the beaches in my cold boston weather i mean like it was a no-brainer for the year old. I mean you know looking back on. If i could do it over again you know. I don't regret the miami decision. Knowing what i know now i would have to be easily camp lamey you though on the weather side of it i mean who would blame you for that even with the great relationship all right. So you've got this great relationship with coach adagio. I i was thinking the other day just randomly hit my mind because a billy joel song came on and i remember him in the assistant coaches singing the colorado state of mind thing the video that was posted remember colfax The video that was posted all over the place. What would you think coaches singing oversold. He's got a soul you know and you press didn't expect that out. yeah good. Eight surprises me every day. You know that's one of them. Do you guys ever ask them. Hey can you. We're feeling a little down in the dumps can you. Can you bring aloe billy joel or is that you know that was a one time thing. We're not asking again all right so when we talked to coach and again coaches are always know. This right coaches are just different with players coaches very much he. He's gonna inspire you. He's going to give you some mix of coachspeak but he's gonna. He's going to lay some truthful nuggets in there One of those conversations with you personally because we've heard so many players say man. I tell you what this guy. We're close to the sky. He is just really an understanding type coaching. When you hear that sometimes right where. A coach is one way with the media. He's another way with his team. Yeah coach he's not you know hiding anything he's gonna shoot you straight you know he's never gonna lie. He was going to give you an honest opinion every time. Honestly what you want you know sort of figure you know coach you know saw give you advice in this world. You want to shooting straight. That's why you know what. I was making my decision to come back i. Was you know it was family. It was coach smith and it was coached down. It was it. Was those that group of people really helped me make my decision and i trusted them. I trust their opinions. And i trust their knowledge. They've been the longer than i've been alive You want that from a coaching honestly head coach. I trust it was one of them. You know things are looking for. When i was transferred it was on my list. I had great position coach. Someone's gonna teach off the game and head coach trust And i mean. I wouldn't be here if i didn't trust coach dazzling and that's one. Big philosophies is love and trust you got the love and trust your players you know just as much as you gotta love and trust your coaches so the to lay street and i mean. He knocked it out of the park with that and the ability to coach your players. Hard love them even harder. Is the lawsuit that they stand by and the rest of the coaching staff as well So that that's us on his in. And i couldn't like coach. You listen coach coachspeak and then there's some you know motivation and i think it's every day he makes me wanna run through a wall. I can't play me. I joke about it all the time. But i i'm not kidding you when i talked to him on the phone or when we were in person within the other day down in denver i get that feeling and i'm not a big giant man like you are scott. I feel like do so some push-ups and some crazy lifting suddenly. But i can't imagine the motivation factor. That comes into play for you guys big when it comes to that now you know and sometimes it keeps it short and sweet now and he's good about reading room in that regard. You know. I really believe that you know. Sometimes he can. He can talk if he wants to talk or he can keep a short and it's all about you know. Well he feels is best for us as far as the most motivational aspect and coach speaking on. If something's on his heart you know he. He always tells us how he feels you know and we're minds at you. Know the plan moving forward as far as know if it was days during camp what his idea was looking for is a for as far as going. You know certain day you know full pad shells helmets try and take care of your legs back etc all those things. He's a very good coach at communicating with players. So we're not left out in the dark. I know a lot of coaches out there. You know they try to keep things a secret. For whatever reason you know So players left on the edge of their seat and they're never comfortable because you know that's probably a coaching style. If you have players that are always ready you never have to get them ready but He's really good about as far as you know keeping that line of communication open Office is always open. And i just think he's tremendous in that regard and that's interesting too because you say that but you've you've heard cases throughout the country. Sometimes were maybe a coach says that. But it's not always that open and players leave and they're frustrated and that's gotta be an important thing for you and for any player to be able to know. Hey i can go one on one with this coach. There's a lot of football players on that roster but to be able to really feel that and know that you can go to your coach. That's got to be a luxury. Because i'm not saying every coach is not like that but you've heard some stories where this guy's all football the time and it must be nice to have a guy like that really nice to have a guy that you can joke with and you know he can make you the best player that you can with you know as far as your skill set and what it allows you to do. So i think he's tremendous in that regard. You know i can joke with him about you. Know think authentic italian food at olive garden. And tell me. I'm acting like an idiot. Okay so coaches got. He knows his way around. Some italian food is that right. Oh easily you know. There was one day i think i showed up and i was like coachman i tried to italian place. And he's like oh. I don't know there's any good italian place that's close to here. Where'd you go to eat. I hit him with You know place. Endless breadsticks coach. It's real good. And i got him on the edge of his seat. Landau with all your love. That man has he trot. It'd be curious he ever been there before. We're gonna have to find a place for them. Yeah we're going to be a mission. We're gonna find a spot for them. That's a dazs. You approved got the coach as scheduled proof. I think so. It could be reviewing restaurant. Hey okay a couple of months ago before you guys got Knee deep into fall camp. I saw the pictures. You guys the defensive. Line with coach smith Talking to ellison hubbard you guys went out boating and you order like thirty pizzas from crazy. Carl pizza. I love those things. Man don't you just that's a team building And especially unit building kind of philosophy. It was a fun day. You know and you know it's not just you know like once you know summer we do something like that like coachman you're he's always feeding us he's always doing extra stuff for us. I mean early. In the summer we went bowling. I i you know there was the at us over his house and he has his overs house all the time. You know to feed us and everything like that. I can't tell you the amount of times coach. Smith is pouring into us whenever he gets the opportunity. You know and you'd be honest with you. That's just an awesome aspect of you. Know he really loves us and he wants us to be the best we can be you know and he pushes us hard but he loves it up even harder you know and i feel like you know if you can't appreciate the head coach and he probably just don't have you know you probably they're young who hasn't been through it rough. You know where you didn't feel that from a coach or you're just being delusional yourself you know that's the guy that cares about you know at the end of the day. So you guys bowled a little bit and i agree. I think he's a great guy. Guys talked so highly of him. Who's the best bowler on the defensive. Line me bet. okay. I'm going to give. I'm gonna ask allison coming in on monday. I'm gonna ask him to so ellison would agree. Well see here's the thing. We went bowling team right and i had to leave early. 'cause the was going on Late and i have plans already that day. But i've beaten everybody in my little around and i was actually supposed to supposed to play. Who was it either. Coach myth or frank leonard. One of the two. And i forget what happened but i had to leave early. I let on take my place. But i had you know bold everybody. You know that. I've gone against we might have to set up like another rematch at some point to sell tickets and everything we could. We could make this a big thing. I mean i'm down. I just don't know if anybody there may be some better vollers on this team to me then. I probably just didn't play them. But that's when it all mattered. The most i was in the championship game true. If you get there you get there. And that speaks for itself. Scott patching joining us colorado state rams defensive lineman scott of course There's a couple of players on this team that are on these watch lists. We're talking about the next level. Trae mcbride ryan stonehouse and of course yourself. Talking to media day couple of weeks ago you had mentioned. Hey i came back for a couple of reasons. But one of those is i. I want to tweak a few things in my game i wanna give myself the best opportunity when it comes to the draft when it comes to that next level yet i you know i really stand by that you know you. Don't come back just to come back. Come back to better yourself in some way shape or form you know So that being you know my reason for coming back. I wanted to make myself more valuable you know. So what is that you know. I want to be around player. You know in more consistent in the run game in the past game. And i wanted to prove i could do it over. Twelve games and not just four games. You know and people couldn't question anymore you know that that's kind of where i stood. Yeah no question about it. And i know a lot of guys talked about. Hey we want. We want to get back here. We've unfinished business. And i think it was big last year beating wyoming of course That was something that fans really wanted to see. Beating rivalry team had been it. Been a few years a rivalry game. I should say a few years. So i know that was a big boost for for rams nation out there and and you guys have all kinds of talk about. Hey we want to set the table now for for rams teams to come and this is that opportunity. A lot of the upperclassmen saying the same thing. Hey we want to get this thing on the right track before we move on. Absolutely you know guy Houston say that all the time. It's miami was brad. You leave the place better than you found it. You know And that really resonated with me you know for the most part when he used to say that all the time i mean honestly i hope i just leave this place better than i found it absolutely you know. I hope what part of the you know. Culture change you know. Work is just really buying and believe in all the coaching and all the you know pointers that are given every single day. They live by that. You know because it's just great qualities to live your life like you know you don't want to be a slow demeanor guy. You don't want to be a guy. That's like lackadaisical. You want to be an urgent guy you know and that applies to regular day life to outside of football. But you know i. I hope that you know. I can absolutely this place better than i thought. Yeah i'm excited to see this season to get underway next friday night south dakota state and we've all set at a million times. It's an fc team but you can't overlook them they're they're the cream of the crop when it comes to the so i know that that's not even registering in your brain. You guys are just thinking. How do we jump out the gates and start one at all. Absolutely you know the goals want know but you gotta break it down the each individual play. You know. this is a good team. we're playing. I don't think you know people are talking about them enough but this is you know a very good team or planning. Obviously you go into a game and you respect every opponent because if you don't that's when mistakes happen and your overconfident you're not prepared but you know this is a good team or playing. I give them tremendous respect. You know they already had. They already have tremendous respect for me. You know and i know a bunch of i know a lot of the guys on our team are believing that so. We've got tuck game ahead of us so we just gotta really you know again. Get ready for you. Know a dogfight now k. Invest stadium again. We're seeing reports. And you never know what's going on in the state of south dakota of course but as of right now we know they're still set to be attendance or people can go to these games and watch him and hopefully. That's not going to be something that's in the back of our mind or the course of the season but assuming everything is a go. How cool is that gonna be man just to get fans back out there in that gorgeous stadium. It's going to be huge. You miss you miss the atmosphere you know umit fans yelling and and stick plays are being made and you know that's why we play the game you know there was no fans no one would care. No one would watch you know at the end of the day. Just be a recreational sport. You know Probably less you know extravagant stadium being honest with you. But i mean that's just the best part about it the best aspect and i'm excited to have all the fans back in there and finally see what philip stadium can look like. You're a canvas stadium. Scott patch and last one for you. Brian stonehouse on a couple of weeks. Ago and i asked him if he had any like hidden talents or anything and he sent me like this mansion that he built like this barbecue. Manny's like he's a builder Do you have any of those hidden talents that a lot of people don't know about you. I wouldn't hidden talents. i can juggle. that's pretty much. I've tried to. The only thing i could juggle was in those little. Those little lights scarves thing that we're like tissue. I could do that but once we actually tried with the actual juggling balls could make it happen. So i mean my my hats off to you my friend. Yeah building crazy. I felt like okay. He said he built a barbecue. Whole thing around. I'm thinking okay. He just kind of made this. Whatever like any orleans type deal no. It looks like a million dollars. I was amazed by that but definitely don't have that. I can't even put legos together. So it's insane. What he did out there for sure no doubt scott. My friend love catching up with. It would love to make this kind of thing throughout the course of the season. I'm a big fan and we cannot wait. See guys action. Next week i appreciate. You have me on look forward to it again and you know. Go rams see you all out there next week. We'll talk soon. That's scott patching colorado state rams defensive lineman going up against south dakota state next friday night now again. We did want to make that known what we tweeted out. I don't want to bring the news up. I don't wanna be the bad news but south dakota's experiencing a major covert outbreak and the oil and again that's according to some reporters that are writing that Tomorrow's volleyball match between unc. The bears and usd has now been canceled due to covert protocols. And so now. You're wondering okay. Should we be monitoring this going forward. See issue football opening it. South dakota state on september. Third makes me sick to my stomach. Twenty five minutes after the hour. We'll take a break. We will recharge it. Come back with a football friday. It's the whole show powered by cdc energy brother in colorado's voice and your home for the denver. Broncos is one zero three point one in thirteen ten. Kfi join clark. Johnson and bruce dick for kargonaov coach. Weekdays eleven another in colorado's voice one zero three point one and thirteen ten kfi k. Kelly lyle the fort collins colorado and your csu insider on the whole show on thirteen ten kpfk again completing into the open field duty better. I'm have fun. I'm gonna bring energy. There wasn't a lot of separation skin. Here's brady football. Friday rock and roll and we do have college football. That means something this weekend. We don't have local. We don't have Broncos regular season we have some pre one more preseason. They only did three kind of like it but then we get a week off. What do we do with ourselves. No preseason no regular season but The broncos will have a chance to get geared up for that giants opening game. And a telling you. The pressure is on those first three games whether it was teddy bridgewater or drew lock broncos have maybe what thirty easiest schedule in the league so denver is gonna have to find a way. I think to win those first three the. Yeah the pressure is going to be teddy but this is not about teddy. It's not about drew lock. This team has been building defensively. I would say for the past few years last year in the draft. They definitely drafted for offense but for the most part through free agency and through the draft. Denver has been building defensively and here. We are now looking at this depth chart. It's starting to take hold when you have. You know draymond jones who denver drafted awhile back now. Mark mike pursell as the nose. Tackle bradley. the controversial draft pick You know guys that they've picked up in free agency. Such as kareem jackson kyle fuller. You're hoping that you can keep Keep a guy like bryce callahan healthy. Who they picked up and free agency and then obviously pat ser tan michael j. moody two guys that were drafted relatively high. Obviously ser tan was drafted at number nine This team has been building the way of the defense. Which is what. I've always been a fan of but i kinda like the opposite game. Sometimes when you hire head coach build up on your defense and then hire an offensive mastermind. I've always just kind of you're going to go with a great defense and defensive mastermind and maybe your offense is just flat out overlooked. I think that The defense now has a lot of pressure. I think whether it's drew teddy again. But there is so much pressure on this defense to come up with not just stops but field flipping type stops. You know a big sack to four second and sixteen and then another big play To keep it at third and sixteen incomplete pass or something like that force a bad punt or to flip the field. You're going to see a lot of that with denver bottom line. Teddy bridgewater is a game. Manager are moving on. We're not talking about the competition. Now we can just tell you what it is. You're starting quarterback is kyle. I mean essentially a little bit more. Mobile kyle orton. That's where you are. This is what you're going with a game. The manager a guy. That's not going to take too many chances. He's going to be instructed to just do teddy likes things and you know that's going to be able to yield you. Some decent drives down the field. Where you gotta be careful as this. This defense is imperfect. If let's let's say the first quarter of the giants game you get three out. Broncos get the ball. They move down the field. They ended up having to pont. Then you get another stop. The broncos get the ball move down the field a little bit after punt again zero zero. I whatever and then suddenly defense can't hold up for one possession. Let's say daniel jones gets hot rolls down. You're up seven nothing all right now. The broncos getting out of their a little bit late second quarter time for debt daddy to to try to get it down loma more you move down you move down you move down punt the ball again. This is what he's historically done. Then your defense is going to need to make some big plays. This will happen whether it's against the giants. Jags the ravens. What have you now. You might be arguing on the lock side of things. Well wouldn't that same happened there or he's just gonna take a chance and go down. Go deep downfield thrown interception very well. So i'll tell you what. I'll give you this who i want as my starting quarterback when the broncos are up ten nothing. I'll take teddy who. I was starting quarterback in the broncos her down to nothing. I'm gonna go drew because he's gonna take chances. I you know what he might throw picks the process but bridgewater's not been that kind of guy. He is a game manager. That's why this defense is going to have the utmost pressure on them. This season which i like and i think they can handle it. I think this team has the pieces. And we've made the bizarre comparisons to the two thousand fifteen defensive. Wasn't that long ago. This team had mediocre quarterback play and won a title so it can happen again. And i really like flip it over on the offensive side. I love devante williams. Melvin gordon and honestly and i don't know re royce freemen's inter easy and the bubble is going to make this team mike boone's out for a few weeks. Right so royce is actually looked pretty good in preseason so i really hope they can find some room there for him. Offensively you do have playmakers will bridgewater. Will anybody any quarterback would they have felt too much pressure to try to get these guys involved. Portland sutton is going to play a little bit saturday. I was wrong on this. They are going to go with the starters to start this thing out coach. Mcvay doesn't do that. He doesn't believe playing starters very much at all really throughout the preseason but they are going to start with teddy. Then you're going see drew then you're gonna see brett rippin. I mean again. You still gonna watch that if teddy screws up who what happens then like what happens. If teddy throws an interception drew comes out. Plays well does drew. No it's over until the regular season. The competition was declared over until you get to the regular season. And if you see that that's ineffective then that's what you do. But i think again. I like the pieces on this team. Teddy will be a game manager. You can win several games like that. Can you win enough to be a playoff team without the defense coming up with some special. I think this defense can't just be a team. That's getting stops. You're gonna need to change the field. You're going to need to force. Quarterbacks be in positions where you can have on miller bradley chubb pin their ears back with no concern and they just go after the quarterback because its second long. And you know what they're doing. Its third and long. You know what they're doing and then putting pressure on the quarterback to the point where you can let these corners work. All of these guys can cover one on one ronald darby. Bryce callahan kyle fuller. Pats cover one on one but it's going to be taken the chances if you can get pressure. I mean that's why this has the makeup of being a really potent defense because on paper. Von miller is a hall of famer. Does he still have that. We're gonna find out bradley. Chubb has he's been to approachable but he's never really realized his top five picks status just yet and they're really like they could have the best secondary in the league. Justin simmons and cream jackson. I think you could make a case for the best safety duo but defensively mark my words. It's gonna be on them to make some key plays to get some interceptions to force fumbles and that's where you're gonna see this. I believe mirror a lot of what we saw back in. Two thousand and fifteen. We're going to take a short break. Were well over the clock football friday. Shout out to mosier funeral and cremation service for being a sponsor of this program for quite some time now man. We've loved working with them and to tell you what they're the only family owned and operated funeral home in the greeley evans area. Let the mosier family help you through such a tough time. Their numbers nine seven three. Oh sixty eight twenty four thirty eight minutes after the hour when we come back. Let's talk about well normally. I'm going to be doing at this time. The next segment. Normally when we get in the season how mcgee my big four picks broncos buffs rams bears. None of them are playing this weekend. So we're just kinda preview. What their seasons look like and where we think they're going to finish as far as the records go and later on. I will give you my one lakh of the weekend that you can take to the bank thirty nine after the hour. Let's get the latest on the local sports flash. Everything you need to know about. Northern colorado is unknown code. How weekdays at nine northern colorado's voice one zero three point one in thirteen ten. Kfi k miles bloom heart sports editor at the fort collins colorado in and you're listening to the whole show on thirteen ten. Kfi forty four minutes after the hour. Welcome back to show the whole show powered by energy football friday on the twenty seventh day of august next week. We really get into it. We'll have have unc nc you to talk about but normally in this segment we're going to break into the big four my big four you know. That's football teams that we cover closely. That's the broncos that's the buffs. That's the bears. That's the rams. And i'll give you my picks each and every week we're going against the with the spread however you want to say it so we'll be looking at that but when you take a look at the schedules here is this. The bounceback year for football starting with the broncos. Do they get in the playoffs. You guys know my piece on this with your lock and bridgewater. However i still think it was going to be the defense. It's going to be a run game. Talented guys they have a lot of yak jerry. Judy taken a four yard. Five yard pastern denying yards that kind of stuff. I think when you look at the schedule it does lend itself to a broncos playoff berth. I three weeks at new york giants at jacksonville. Home against the jets. I think he got to go three. Oh there to start this thing off. Baltimore's tough at pittsburgh that are going to be interesting to see if they can beat pittsburgh. Because i i mean again as pittsburgh the eleven and team that started last year or is it the team that basically fizzled toward the end of the season. He go on down the list. Las vegas they could be improved. That's home at cleveland. Cleveland could be tough washington and then at dallas philly chargers. Akc it again. The afc west games will be the most difficult for sure but you got detroit and cincinnati in there. I think this team's looking at nine. I'm not going to nine to eleven. Could definitely see this team. Getting eleven wins and eleven is now the new ten. So you're looking at that. So i like that to turn around for the broncos in vic fangio save his job one way or the other even though. I disagreed with the quarterback battle. And i again is that with teddy. All the way through. Is that with average. Play from teddy. Does drew lock it in at some point helped push this team over the edge. I think defensively this team will that. That's going to be their bread and butter coming up with game. Changing plays like broncos. Turn it around. You look at the. Unc bears starting their season off against colorado next week. I don't think they win. That game Covering is going to be the big deal. I i just don't see it at houston baptist home against lamar houston baptist. Don't know a lot about lamar. And then you start your big sky conference on september twenty fifth against teams northern arizona. Montana say listen. I'm hoping for a few wins here. I have no expectations for the unc. Bear so. I don't know that this is the year they get it on top. I know this was the year. They certainly started to get some attention driven toward their program. And maybe that's the start. Colorado state starting off next friday against south dakota state. I think they win that game. I think they beat actually beat vanderbilt even though they're an sec team. They're not a very good sec team. I think they could start out the gates three and one or two and two something like that battle it out throughout the conference get some wins at. I could see this team getting back on the right track and getting to a bowl game. I think they win six at the very least as for the buffs. Yeah they'd be. They'd be at unc. Tech say no sorry. Minnesota maybe The buffs foreign to last year. That was you know obviously weird year. That was enough to get them in to To the alamo. To the album tough for me to go man are they are they six can win six light jerk broussard. But brennan lewis is tough. This is the hardest one for me to pick the most unsure of all of these teams very confident. The broncos i'm i'm confident the rams get into a bowl game. I'm unsure about unc. I think you're hoping for a couple of wins but the expectations aren't there as for the bird. For the buffs. I'm gonna go. I don't know much about your quarterback. And so i'm going to say i don't i don't see a bowl season for you. I could see four to five wins to start this thing out. We'll get that one next. Friday forty eight minutes after the hour. My lock of the week. I got one game for you coming up next. It's the whole show powered by the energy on football friday. No code now keeps you up to speed on what's happening on a local level. Weekdays in northern colorado's voice one zero three point one in thirteen ten kfi k. Or the latest and the broncos the nuggets in the rockies. Listen to the whole show. Weekdays noon and northern colorado's voice one zero three point one and thirteen ten k of k. Katie wenjie your host reporter and analyst for the denver nuggets. And you're listening to the whole show on thirteen ten ks k. Almost wrapping up another week. Don't forget friday night. Football coming up tonight. Coverage starts at six thirty kickoff. Just after seven o'clock clark. johnson. Mike dance will. We'll bring you wiggins taken on the highland. Huskies that's our first high school football game of the season looking forward to it all right every week. I'm gonna give you are. I'll give you my local picks in the last it will break down those matchups for you But then i'm gonna give you one college game that i'm just in love with one. Nfl game that. I'm just Passionate about it. I'm going to give you the picks against the spread. Well this one to me is interesting looking at the big ten matchup between nebraska and illinois. It's interesting because nebraska's like under the investigation thing with scott frost plus nebraska's just a hell of a story line bringing the savior in and so far not so good for scott frost their projected to make it maybe to a bowl game. According to athlon sports. Getting six wins now adrian. Martinez the quarterback there for nebraska. He was like the big story. There are a couple of years ago. Now instill good but not really a huge name that we're discussing. Of course we know luke. Mccaffrey transferred out. Who threw touchdown at six picks last year. They're going up against illinois. They're only seven point favorites in this game. I'm not a big buyer of what nebraska selling. But i think illinois is going to be bad this year so i like nebraska to win this game and easily cover that seven point spread it's nebraska on a seven. I like to take care of that easily. That's my lock of the week. The nebraska cornhuskers over illinois. 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The Dimitroff Years: 2015

The Falcoholic

59:13 min | 9 months ago

The Dimitroff Years: 2015

"Belco hawley podcast. Official podcast falcons on the espy nation. Podcast network the state walker. Today's special podcast review of the thomas. Dmitrov years annabel things to help me with this task by special guests to join me on each of these episodes as we break down the trades. Free agent signings and of the draft picks made in dmitrov era. My guest today is on each one of our writers at alcohol dot com on none. Thanks for joining me. Of course happy to be here looking back on a off. Fantastic twenty fifteen season. This is gonna be very interesting and as you mentioned. We are diving into two thousand fifteen. Which is the first season under new head coach. Dan quinn so to set up what the season was about. Let's talk about what came into the two thousand fifteen season so obviously the two thousand fourteen season ended with a six ten season Head coach mike smith who had been with the team since two thousand eight Was fired Surprisingly i think too many people thomas dmitrov was retained. of course we are still talking about him And dan quinn came in. He was hired After a search by some committees the falcons had hired He had already. They also brought in offensive coordinator kyle shanahan. Of course many falcons fans still miss that particular coach this day and for the second year in a row the falcons would go into the draft with a pick in the top ten having finished four and twelve the year before six ten. What's your the falcons would have yet another top ten pick and of course we will talk about that in the second half. Podcast will get into the two thousand fifteen draft class but before we talk about the draft on non one to talk about. What the falcons did in free agency This was a pretty interesting lists because it wasn't just about the guys a kept it was about some of the guys that they brought in and almost as much about the guys that they let walk because obviously when a new coach comes in. It's normal for there to be a lot of turnover. I think even back when we covered dan quinn. Being hired we talked about the fact that his former head coach pete carroll when he came into the seahawks almost completely revamped the roster. They're in a very short period of time so it would not be a big surprise it. Dan quinn would do something similar. So wanna talk about some of these departures because some of them. I think we're going to have some fun talking about the first name on the list particular The first name to go for the falcons. I wanna talk about a sam baker. He was given the big contract Two thousand fourteen. The falcons drafted jake matthews and originally matthews was supposed to play right tackle but sam baker yet again got injured early on in the season. And that's when jake had to take over on the left side as a rookie M baker obviously came with a massive amount of money of the contract that he was given a with your thoughts on this former first round. Pick hitting the road in. Never playing the nfl again. I think it's it says something. That The falcons gave him that massive contract and then after they parted ways with him he never ended up playing the nfl again showing that he sam baker is just the perfect example of cognitive dissonance with thomas. Demetrius and a lot of gm's do this. But he was a demo troughs first round pick his second first round. Pick in two thousand eight. Remember the falcons got matt ryan and then dimitrov trade back into the first round to get a sam baker and sam baker was oft injured. He wasn't that great in his first few years. Certainly inaugurate enough to justify that contract and then he has twenty twelve season where he puts puts things kind of together and the entire team You know puts everything together for a thirteen and three run. And then thomas dimitrov is like see yes like. He was worth the first round pick. And then he doubles down on allegation validation instead of recognizing the sunk cost in looking at his entire career like trajectory. You look at his one season in a contract year of like you know being good. I'm not even gonna say great. He wasn't like a pro bowl. Or anything ryan gives them that terrible contract in. This is just like another one of those examples for why dimitrov shouldn't have been retained with After mike smith's got fired after twenty fourteen. Because it's like bro. That was terrible. Contract is that team was awful. Like i know. We're talking about baker right now but i remember Watching the team in week. Seventeen loss against carolina thinking to myself like these are the players on the field right now and i was putting a lot of blame on metro because of the roster that was like on the field. I know it was like a joint effort. But it wasn't just mike smith so you know when baker god It was a was a good riddance moment. But you know he loved it. He loved very very big parting gift. Allworth dead cap. Which i don't think we like ended up shutting it until like very recently. Yeah and that's I think if there's a contract that people point to that was the worst that dimitrov ever handed out. It has to be sam baker that has to be the top of the list. All right some other guys that departed. Justin blalock starting left guard for many years Ended up retiring so that left a hole of course on the offensive line. Two guys that leaving team that were drafted by dmitrov in previous years Corey peters weatherspoon both ended up signing with the cardinals We know how spoons career has turned out. Peter's is still playing and is a quality player in this league has has last longtime your thoughts on these. Two guys being Hitting the road on. I actually really wanted to resign. Peterson time he was he was very very solid. Interior defensive linemen and with weatherspoon. It's different because he was always injured yet. It's not his fault but he had his moments in twenty twelve's but in the end it's the best abilities availability and whether spoon was never available seemingly. It is funny with the cardinals They signed john abraham after dimitrov. Cut him way too soon. After twenty twelve with no plan of a you know bringing in any pass rushers in her pass rushers suffered ever since then he was like a pro bowler with the cardinals a year later. So then they're like all right. Let's let's dip back into like the falcons reserves in like what was he would also for said kept going with robert alford two so the cardinals just kept kept a close eye on dimitrov's cuts in on our defensive agents over the years it's so true some additional names will go through these pretty quickly harry. Douglas obviously drafted in two thousand eight. He ended up leaving the team signing with the titans after having a thousand yard season in two thousand thirteen with falcons robert mclane longtime nickel corner. Who i felt was one of the actually one of dmitrov better free agent signings in his time atlanta. He ended up leaving for the patriots Quizz rodgers Left the team was signed with the bears. In stephen jackson ended up being cut and Was not signed anywhere else so harry. Douglas robert mclean Quiz rodgers stephen jackson any thoughts on this list of guys ended up leading the team on the i. I always thought that. Harry douglas owed half is paycheck to matt ryan after that because like matt ryan is the one who got him paid like completely with that twenty thirteen season That's why whenever someone like argues. That matt ryan is a product of his receivers around him. It's like bro heathrow. For like forty five hundred yards in two thousand thirteen or even more than that. I forget how much it was. And he made harry douglas until a one thousand yard receiver. And then like with the titans harry. Douglas was just he was just like nowhere to be found like he was not good with the titans and then after parting with titans he's now on in on atlanta sports radio on the end of his career Yes stephen jackson. Twenty fourteen was one of those infuriating years where you knew that. Devante freeman was better than stephen jackson but the coaching staff just like kept going with the old veteran. And it's like all right were Stephen jackson is like been through the grind before like. Yeah he's been through like a massive grind as a running back that's why he's not effective anymore so it was one of those things where the jackson signing just never worked out He he was not very good was over the hill. With the falcons in those two years and he was just blocking the path of devante freeman. And we we learn in two thousand fifteen devante freemen actually was like you know it was egos even worse like when we found out in twenty fifteen. The devante freeman was a pro bowl level running back who won a lot of fantasy leagues. And you know who had just one of the best. Years as a falcons running back michael turner in two thousand eight. Yeah yep absolutely so closing out the list of guys with end up leaving. the team. Drew davis longtime wide receiver and special teamer. A bear. pascoe who i completely forgot was on the team The prior year Johnson former third round pick Offensive tackle offensive guard stayed injured way too long offensive. Tackle gabe karimi was cut. And josh wilson havi arenas and then safety dwight lowery who ended up signing with the colts. So these are the guys that left There there were more names Not really notable. But you can see. That's a pretty extensive list for the beginning of the dan. Quinn to try to rebuild this roster Guys they kept and there's just a few names here The number one on the list has to be in my mind. Kicker matt bryant who they gave a three year deal worth eight point five million In this season. Obviously i think looking back. This one was a no brainer Your thoughts on them keeping matt bryant in this season. Oh absolutely no brainer. I remember my. Brian was brought in in two thousand like november of two thousand nine. Because jason was just terrible apart absolutely fell apart and it was once specific game against the panthers where he missed two big kicks. In the falcons lost by like one point or something like that and then they went. Got my brian who was cut by the bucks. And i think he was in was the cfl or something like that. It wasn't like another league and brian dislike was glistening from the start and had this at this point he was one of the league's best kickers. And you know it's a three year deal and we saw what he ended up doing like the next three years. He was absolutely automatic. He ended up becoming The falcons all time leading scorer after a while. So that was that was a great thing when it happened very lucky signing because I always say if if everyone knew that he was gonna be that good. He would have been a free agent in november. But in the end. Odd the falcons. The falcons got their money's worth and then some map prime. Yes and i think the thing that's worth pointing out here too is matt was. He was not a young at this point. He was way past his prime supposedly but certainly have plenty of leg left in his in his career. Some of the other guys that The falcons kept wide receiver. Eric weems they signed to a two year. Two point eight million deal quarterback. tj eights completely. Forgot that he was On the team. Something about the falcons and former texans quarterback says their backups is really weird as well. You were talking about some of the tendencies of the cardinals welfare. Signing former texans quarterbacks t h one year deal worth one point five million Running back antone. Smith when you deal worth one point. Four million and safety charles godfrey one year deal one point two five million so any thoughts on some of these guys. They kept onto the team on Keep remembering anton smith in twenty fourteen. It's like every single time. This may touch the wall. He'd go for a touchdown and we five touches four touchdowns in like three games like long touchdowns like he was watching his speed and everything. In another case of mike. Smith deciding to pound the rock with us stephen jackson instead and just never utilize i like. I can't imagine what it would have been like if if kyle shanahan was here. And we had anton smith like you know in primates on smith twenty fourteen inch smith not like off injured of later on anton smith. But you know let's neither here nor there You know. Eric weems is someone that the team brought back because they were comfortable with him. he was. He was well past his prime. At this point he was a pro bowler in two thousand ten. And you know he was a he was a heckler tournament back then but then we saw you know twenty fifteen twenty sixteen years. He was a human fair catch like never never he never like did really anything to flip the field or to give the falcons a distinct advantage with the punt return game. Kind of like what we see now. Yeah yep exactly And i do want to say for for williams. He was at least incredibly good on the coverage side as well. You know he. He did sort of cut his teeth as a guy that not only fielded the kicks and punts but also on the coverage side and and did a fairly good job at that But as you know definitely past his prime at this point all right. Let's talk about some of the free agent signings because there some had forgotten about some of these names. But i will say when i went through. This list researching this podcasts. At the time. I was actually reminded that this was in my mind. A decent set of free agent signings. I think especially for the money that was given out. So let's go through some these The first one on my list tied in jacob tammy who was given a two year deal where three point two million your thoughts on tammy because i i feel like that was the the first sort of value signing that. I think actually had a really big impact on the falcons for this season. He was a big time. Contributor for the falcons Like not like. He wasn't like tony gonzales levels. But he was a great bridge the gap between tony. Gonzalez's in What we saw from austin hooper later. On after the falcons robert hooper in twenty sixteen years. He was a real good contributor to that. Super bowl team You know it was it was. This was a really solid. Signing on the falcons did some bargain shopping. I think dimitrov display was known as someone who wasn't gonna Dish out big money to free agents. He didn't. I don't think until alex mack a year later and even then that was probably because his job was a little bit on the line and because of the kyle shanahan connection of being a cleveland's offense coordinator so it was This was this was a really good signing and you know the rest of these names on the list. That was a lot of a lot of bargain bin shop in which i thought point pelican's fans come to expect and was somewhat necessary. You know obviously. The falcons became a very top heavy organization with matt ryan. Julio jones getting big contracts. But i will say i think tammy to your point was a good value signing and was not tony gonzales. But for what he was paid. You know one point six million a year. Nfl like the productivity was there Next name analyst This is the biggest contract they will hand out in two thousand fifteen season and that was to linebacker brooks reed who got a five year deal worth twenty two million. So obviously the the golden locks of brooks read or wetli people are gonna remember but he was a decent player in his time atlanta. He wasn't a game changer. Certainly wasn't the pass rusher that we hope to obey Solid against iran just a a good rotational guy your thoughts on read and and what he meant to the team in dame quinn's tenure. I mean it's when you assign a five year deal and you end up on the team for four years. It's it's a pretty good indication that you were either. You are a solid signing or that contract structure was like terrible to the point where the team couldn't get rid of you but you know in case it was the former Twenty sixteen in that playoff run. It was really that playoff run was pretty remarkable in that all of these players who were draft picks who were free agent signings like they all came together and it felt like everyone made a contribution to at least one of those two. Nfc aw wins. Between the seahawks and the packers i remember burrito to really good game against the seahawks and then a year later against the bears. We remember his like his heroics in week one That game winning sock had those up to sox not once you're dead yet. He was never like a great. Like sack guy He never really wasn't his career as career. High was his rookie year with six but in fairness read he wasn't someone you were expecting to bring in into just like fix the pass rush cost more than like four point five million dollars a year for that but it was. This was another one where you know it was it was a really it was a decent value signing a very fair contract. All around. yeah. I agree next thing unless linebacker justin durant three years. Ten point eight million. I also liked signing the falcons. Obviously they had issues at the linebacking position and he was a a solid veteran. Again he would stay with the falcons for a couple of years. your thoughts on durant of drink was just unfortunate because durant was always like oft injured like very like You know very injured player throughout his entire career. You said relatively healthy in his in his one year. With the falcons in twenty fifteen. He played thirteen games off the dion jones dropping him i think it kind of made drain a bit expendable and team opted to you know. Save the cap space with him. What sticks out most of the justin durant. I remember after he after we signed him He tweeted out along. The lines of off to eighty. Five is the worst highway alike in the entire country. Like what is this and then everyone was replying to them. They're like welcome to atlanta man. I forgot about that as so true. Oh my god yeah. He was I will say at For what we paid him. Probably a little bit too much Again with the injury history. But i felt like he did a good job in two thousand fifteen. The bridge the gap Next on the list wide receiver. Leonard henderson at the blossom. The us tiptoeing. You had stone hands and was brought an he played in washington with call shanahan one year deal worth one million. I'd liked this contract because number one. It was receiver that had experience with a offensive coordinator. Kyle shanahan Number two whether fans wanted to admit it or not the wheels had fallen off. Roddy white he was not the same receiver. He used to be In this season sort of cemented that it was such a cheap deal it was for one year one million dollars. It was just above minimum Even though hankison didn't turn out to be much of a contributor this year or or significant anyways. What were your thoughts on hankison in again. I feel like it's one of those like no risk signings dmitrov. I'm never gonna complain over a one year. One million dollar contract is because like you said it's just no risk to it at all and it was. It was like a healthy role of the dice. It was a worthy gamble. See see what we can get. You know in fairness he. He had a greg game against the giants that that season like. You know it was. Week was week to win against the giants. I think it was a week to he. Pretty much one. Is that game. I think that in of itself pretty much justified signing yeah. He played eight games. For the falcons didn't work out. I think he's lost. I saw from hankison. it was a few years ago. I think it was selling used cars at this point. Yeah his His tendency the drop passes to was a bit. That'll make you public enemy number. One with van base real quick man. We've have way too much of that over the years With with the falcons all right couple of guys tony tight. End tony miaki. He never actually took the field for the falcons. They brought him on Offensive guard slash center. Mike person three year deal where three point six million. I remember online. The beginning of the two thousand fifteen season when the falcon started five and mike person was given a ton of credit for stabilizing the center position after several years with a guys like oh you know joe holly who who ended up not even got cut in In the moving onto the bucks in yet. I think his first five games did not tell the full story of ways seizing would be But your thoughts on person. Because he i mean. He ended up being a starter. For a bit of the season It was mostly starter out of necessity. I correct me if i'm wrong. But mike person he wasn't really a center coming into that season now he was always a guard and it was one of those situations where you kind of thrust him into the center position. Just out of sheer necessity. That that's why. I don't really blame him for his struggles at yours because it was it was an unknown position for him that he had never really played like the nfl level. Now it's like our yard starting center this year but man that was the year where he had. You could tell he hadn't played it just because of all the fumbles he had. He led all non non skill position players at year with four. Fumbles in for your starting center. Fumbled the ball four times. That's ridiculously awful United he had some really an opportune fumbles to get some of the worst moments which again not also turned the fan base against him. And i think after that the team realized that with the position we can't just go. We can't just cheap out on it the way we just did again so so then that was. That was what convinced i. I'm sure the team to sign alex mack more than anything. Yeah definitely and with the the brunt of attack guys. I had center since The retirement of tom mcclure Mike person stands out as one of the ones who was the most desperate as mentioned the fact guy had not played center before. And you know to be fair those first five games. He played well. But then it really. The wheels came off after that played well in the first five games. Yeah exactly start five hundred finish eight. Something went wrong last name lists in. We're going to take a break and go into. The draft was linebacker. O'brien scofield who had a history of playing with the seahawks sudan. Quinn was very familiar with him. when you're deal worth one point seven million It was funny. He got a lot of hype. From falcons fans who just loved this guy one while he was with the team so I don't remember him doing anything particularly impressive. Atlanta's seemed like he had like one or two decent games. But your thoughts on scofield. O'brien scofield was a great boca leader on. And that's what made the fan base fall in love with him and he was a you know. I think he did the dirty bird a couple times. Everyone's like god look at him now. Got about that. And i do remember was like After we parted ways a year later the fan base was just like up in arms of all. Why are we not resigning. O'brien scofield likely. You know bring him back acting like he was dion jones or like proble player. And do remember this falcons group. I had someone asks a really good question. They said Other than being a leader in doing the dirty birds literally. What has o'brien scofield done. And i don't think anyone had like you know a legitimate answer to that. So that's where you knew. It's like all right like the fan base. The fan base gets gets gets high. Gets over hyped on some of these players very quickly. Sometimes yeah that has happened more than once for sure okay. so we've talked about free agencies. Some of the guys the falcons brought in and let go. Obviously the big talk is going to be the first draft class under new head coach. Dan quinn this is a doozy. This'll be fun to talk about before we do that. We're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back. We're back on the falcons podcast. This is david walker. I am joined by fellow writer at the alcoholic on e. catch. We're covering the two thousand fifteen season. Under former falcons gem thomas dmitrov. We talked about free agency in the first half. Now it's time to talk about the two thousand fifteen draft class. This one is going to be fun. Obviously i wanna start off by talking about the first four or five in this draft class. Because i think we forget you know we think we remember if you will our own Failure in this draft and this was sort of a disaster in the first several picks so number one jameis winston With tampa marcus. Mariota with the titans number three dante fowler. Whose falcon with jacksonville. The reform art cooper to oakland still in the league still playing fairly well but with dallas number five brandon. Sheriff is probably the first player in this top ten that really panned out for the team that he was drafted by. And then you know. The falcons several picks later would get their shot. I wanna say we all know who the name is If you don't then you're gonna get a wake up call here just a second. I wanna say it was pretty clear. Coming in the falcons have a need at the past rush position. They had had need frankly since two thousand thirteen. When john abraham was allowed to walk or was cut. I'm sorry he was cut by the team Over the years Thomas dmitrov brought in guys like ray edwards osi umenyiora To try to fix the pass rush and it's never been good as when it was With abraham on the team so that said with the number eight pick in the first round out of clemson university. The falcons took vic beasley defensive. End pass rusher edge player odd non. Obviously we know how this is panned out at this point and i wanna point out a couple of things. So number one of the pass rushers taken in the first round dante fowler vic beasley. Let's see here Leonard williams bud. Depre- eric armstead beasley of. These guys is second in total sacks with thirty seven point five in his career so far but depre- has thirty nine point five in obviously still with pittsburgh In bud dupree twenty two. So what are your thoughts on this. Pick obviously we have hindsight now but even just looking at the pick at the time What are your thoughts on Vic beasley all. I was super happy about it at the time because he wasn't supposed to fall the eight. I think brennan sheriff getting taken by the redskins out was unexpected. Everyone thought that the redskins were probably gonna go for a pass. Rusher in may be beasley himself. It was. He was a really good player at clemson in college. And you know it's easy to look back off. That was a bust of a but at the time pass rusher was easily the biggest need on the team and probably still is all these years later announced but yeah beasley he like. I do remember i. I recall in two thousand fourteen like a year earlier Beasley had already made his name clemson and us jarring basie at this point now is talking to one of my friends now like man. It would be like fantastic. To for the falcons were to drop big beasley. But you know we're not going to be bad enough this year. We're probably gonna like you know. Make the playoffs and go on until like playoff run. And you know we won't. We won't be picking close close enough to take the top ten but you know that. That didn't pan out the way i was expecting so we were sitting at the eighth big. It was a big debate between beasley and todd. Gurley best player available. Bpa but the falcons didn't have a need running back like devante. Freeman had started coming on strong. The end of the two thousand fourteen season off into is going to be the starting running back in. You know freeman justify the faith that the team had in him by having to pro bowl season in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen. It's easier to look back and say the team should have gotten girly. Who you know. Tore the league up with the rams but vic beasley you was. He had that he had that solid. Two thousand sixteen season in solid yet. Bent asked twenty sixteen season. and i think Like we'll talk about with the second name on the list. I feel like if the if the falcons would have just finished the job against the patriots in super bowl. Fifty one we'd be looking back on this and saying all right vic beasley like you know. He didn't really last with the team after his rookie contract but it was justified. You know more so than ever because he helped the team win. The super bowl helped him get to the super bowl and win it. Even if he didn't he wasn't great in the playoffs he demanded so much tension in the playoffs. That it It opened things up for other players. The pass rushers overall on. This list weren't great bud. Dupree was the best one you mentioned. There was also also shane. Ray who ended up onto the broncos. There's lamed fast to you've flamed out. There was rainy. Gregory who at one point was like thought of as a top ten pick but then like you know the drug The drug failures ended up. Just tanking him all the way down to the cowboys like a number of runs later it was on it. Herbs are ignorant went down. He felt sixty all the way to sixty now looking at a friend. Clark sixty three actually knows a hell of a pick but i. i think i'm not mad at the vic beasley pick you know just because it's easy to talk about hindsight. I will give a lot of crowded mel kiper though because i remember he was bashing on the pick up and he was on beasley. Only has the one speed rush move and you know he has no counter moves and how he was going to like a struggle on the nfl. And you know me being a bias fan. I'm like what is melkite for. No like like maybe he should shut up But yeah he he was ended up being completely right and you know full respect to him. There's there's a reason why these guys get paid the big bucks. Yeah no kidding and in fairness very few of the first round pass rushers worked out as you mentioned. You know. bud dupree. I think the exception here Shane ray flamed out was out of the league. Two thousand eight. Obviously dante fowler were experiencing at first hand right now in honestly it wasn't until the later rounds like preston smith went in the second round Went to washington in this. Been a good player in the league Marcus golden who has thirty two and a half sacks in his career went in the second round Probably the the best pass rusher out of this class was in the third round in the hunter who was drafted by minnesota. So i i think this is a reminder that you know when it comes to the draft edge rushers in quarterbacks are can be overvalued in the first round and a lot of times you can go through an entire first round and not find the guy you know i. It's look at two quarterbacks in this class neither or with their drafting team at this point in that that is such a big Big miss of for for a those teams so Yeah i liked. The pick is well. Actually i will say in the time. I didn't think we're going to get beasley. And i was pounding the table for duprey. I thought debris was an athletic freak I thought that he could be a guy that could grow into the role over time. So yeah maybe. In hindsight i was i was happy when we got beasley. Because i was with you. I think he was gonna make it all the way to us at eight. I thought for sure another team was gonna take him but alas we ended up with him all right second round pick. This one was interesting. Because we've heard some stories now in hindsight that make this one a more interesting. I guess you could say At the number seventy three pick in the second round the falcons. I'm sorry number. Forty two pick in the second round of lsu. The falcons took jalen collins cornerback. Obviously you said it perfectly if we had won the super bowl. Two thousand sixteen. I think a lot of people would look at what collins did in particular in the end of the two thousand sixteen season and going to play offs and said he didn't work out but man he shirted workout in two thousand sixteen season. That was great instead. We're talking about this guy being a complete bust and we had heard that the falcons were looking at Landon collins the safety. Who would ultimately be taken by the giants at the top of the second round. And i don't know how much truth there is to. The story is just what we heard. we heard that the falcons were targeting a collins and then when he came off the board they were so caught off guard that they grabbed another call instead. I want. i don't want to believe it because it sounds so preposterous. And yet it's the falcons which makes me think it is a distinct possibility. That is what happened. Especially since landon. Collins was actually a very is a very very good player. Your thoughts on on on jalen collins in his time with the falcons. I i do honestly i believe fully that the was targeting landon collins just because a year later they took your neil in the first round so Also ski safeties are so important in dan quinn scheme overall so. I would not have been surprised if you're looking for safety early often but of course pass rusher trumped all all needs so that's why won't without beasley with the big but i mean yeah jalen collins he was. I think we were all a bit surprised when that was the pick in the second round. I think that was one of those. Dan quinn specials where it's like oh who like him really like i thought you know is not a bit of a reach by. He was you know. He fit all of the dan. Quinn you know. He felt the Mold as a cornerback of very tall lengthy physical guy went to lsu So you those are all things that just loves and you know like will like i briefly mentioned. He was really good in two thousand sixteen after dozen true fallen down here the point where the team would have won like the super bowl that pick would have been justified. The rasheed haeggman pick from twenty. Fourteen would have probably been justified because of the great nfc championship game. He had it was. But you know losing that game instead of instead of justifying the pick i think it soured people more on collins because he really got picked on in that super bowl game all that second half of than you know fouls in other drug tests and he ended his career getting burns in week. Four of the preseason later yeah it sort of a rough rough path for him and as you mentioned just being a knucklehead which we knew when we drafted him it was no big surprise And i think some people were pleasantly surprised at the falcons took a chance on because he had a ton of upside and we knew that the biggest question mark with him was going to be more about the mental game. Whether or not he could stay in and stay clean at the nfl level. Obviously he struggled with that even as he Had a very short career in the nfl. I think he was done after two sixteen. He hasn't been back so definitely. I think a big a big miss their next name on this list. And i wanna point out some guys in the second round right. After jalen collins houston took Banal drik mckinney Linebacker eric kendricks win a couple of picks later a obviously the falcons had a need at linebacker. Both those guys. I think would have been Excellent picks Especially since both guys are still playing in the league. Collins is not a little bit later in this round you think about the the fact. That the falcons Offensive line was still sort of patchwork You've got you know. Ali market Who went towards back end of the second like dolly marquette pet like i really liked him coming out and unfortunately he's now in the division with tampa and a obviously you mentioned earlier frank clark at the second last pick in the second round. So you know it's sometimes it's looking back on these draft classes that make some of these mrs even more painful when you realize. Oh my god we could have this guy could have the sky and you realize they with collins instead But then again. I want to say when it comes to frank clark. Every team passed on him at least once in in most teams in the league passed on him a second time before seattle grabbed him at the back and second so As you get into late around. I don't think it spare to overly criticize the team for missing on some of these guys because every team in many ways missed on these guys right third round. Pick pick number. Seventy three of indiana. The falcons took running back. Tevin coleman the one thing. I will never forget during the draft. Talk of this guy was We heard repeatedly bad scheme fit. And obviously a when you hear people say that. Don't trust that they know what they're saying because If if anything many of us were confused by this pick we thought. Hey you know. Devante freeman was sitting a year. We thought for sure he would become the starter. I think a lot of people saw tevin coleman that said oh man they're just gonna go ahead and give up on freeman and obviously that did not end up being the case and coleman really would make an impact until two thousand sixteen his two thousand fifteen was relatively quiet but whether your thoughts on picking that running back in the third round in what he ended up doing with falcons. Yeah i mean. Coleman was great In college indiana. And this felt like a full. Kyle shanahan fake. It felt like Shanahan was like all right. You guys got your like. I two round defensive players. Now let's start addressing the offense a little bit. And i think the plan was to give kevin coleman that starting job and to have devante freeman. Continue to be a backup because not first game against the eagles. Coleman had twenty carries an eye game got eighty yards. And i remember the fan. Base was just enamored with you. Know eighty yards on. Aw overall four yards per carry. Because the past two years. We had been watching gum. Stephen jackson running quick we're in quicksand so it was a A week later i remember. He had that rib injury in an devante freeman. Took over the starting job and just never looked back Freeman was just fantastic against the cowboys had three touchdowns three touchdowns against the texans and then coleman was kind of a came back to like reserve role in two thousand sixteen china and did a great job of utilizing. Both coleman an freeman as the best one two punch among running backs in the league that year yet. Yeah so this was overall a a real good pick in the third round like he called me didn't make passes rookie contract but given all that he did For the falcons in twenty sixteen in the two thousand seventeen was overall pick. I liked it and a lot of credits. Coleman who worked a ton between two thousand fifteen two thousand sixteen become a better receiver and as we saw in the two thousand sixteen season. Both he and davante were incredible. Receivers out of the backfield and In particular. I remember coleman's game against the broncos in two thousand sixteen where You know they leaned on him heavily. And he i think he has a receiving touchdown that game in He had a fantastic game against a really. Really good broncos defense in that game so i love the pick a felt like again. You hear Some other guys went in the third round. The same draft class jordan hicks outside linebacker. A little bit later on Obviously a big name in this round was danielle. Hunter pass rusher out of minnesota and again you know fifty four and a half sacks over his career has obviously been a really really good. Pass rusher in the nfl. I just wanted to say every team passed on him twice. He made it all way to third rail So i don't want to give the falcons too much crap. In honestly. coleman was a pick at that point as well so I like it. And i felt like even in hindsight we can look back in agree. This is you know. Pretty pretty solid. Pick for thomas metro okay. Fourth round number one. Zero seven out of issue falcons took wide receiver. Justin hardy hardy. Was dave coates best friend. Yeah i we talked earlier about harry. Douglas moving on from the team in in going to the titans justin hartley felt like a replacement for that. Obviously julio jones Roddy white were still on the team. And you know a lot of people thought that hardy could come in and be a just a pure slot receiver Great hands absolutely phenomenal. And the massive hands. If i remember right from the common and just measured like enormous hands He was quick not fast but he seemed to be a decent receiver in in obviously was incredibly productive college. So what are your thoughts on justin hardy and what he ended up doing with the team like he was number four wide receiver. You know with the team. Great hands I said If you were to combine his hands with maybe All of calvin ridley tools for example. You'd have may be the greatest wide receiver in the league. The kidding on by Overall like you know shorts fourth-rounder it ended up. Being kind of a waste of before under like hardy. Never really did anything with the team you know. He likes the moments here and there. But you know he did come into Did come into the nfl. Having all one via the birth worth trophy for outstanding walk on he had think the fbi division one record for most receptions already see you so you know was a college legend but a doesn't always translate into the nfl. Yeah exactly all right. Some other guys that went in the fourth round that went after a hearty jamison crowder went to picks before hardy. So obviously can't nail the falcons for that all the way down at number one twenty four alexander. Who honestly i think it's probably overrated linebacker. But it's still a decent player still in the league but probably the most notable will be shaq mason At number one thirty one who is a center in still playing league in. Oh yeah. Let's not forget. Syria smith who was a pass rusher has forty four and a half sacks So again it sort of an upside down draft class for pass rushers where you've got guys in the third fourth round who have more More combined sacks in the guys in the first round So again just shows you sort of erotic nature of the nfl in where some of these guys end up delivering all right next pick. This one's gonna make us happy. The falcons actually traded up in the fifth realm to move up to number one thirty seven and out of clemson the second player. They would take clemson defensive. Tackle greg jarrett. I think we can look at The fifth round here and looks to fund digs would go at number one forty six. He is a phenomenal receiver. Obviously not still not when not minnesota anymore but Great pick their. Maybe you know you've got tyler davidson. Who has taken a little bit later. Obviously he's with the falcons and is is a decent interior player but bar. None grady jarrett. Who went at the very first pick and the for fifth round one thirty seven. He is the best player out of this fifth round and probably one of the best defensive player's out of this entire draft. So what are your thoughts on the falcons in particular dmitrov making the move moving up to that number that top. Pick in the fifth round to grab greg. Jarrett goes the greatest drop Troughs tenure all looking at everything. You know obviously. There was matt ryan julio jones but when you take value into consideration of a great job being a fifth rounder like matt ryan was the third overall pay julio jones you had to trade pretty much entire drop cloths to move up. Get him at six. But jared was you know in the fifth round in it was unacceptable. Even at the time at the time for jared to fall to the fifth round like you was super productive in in clemson in a fantastic college player in the only real knock on him was that he was short. He was like six feet tall That was kind of a ridiculous thing for you. Know a player to get knocked so much from the drop. All the to the fifth round like jared should have been a second second rounder probably given like everything off taking everything into consideration. The you know it's The falcons gain they moved up. I remember you know. He's also a toggle son so it was. You know it was. It was a great moment. Jessie tuggle announced the pick and he immediately got a lot of sports from the fan base of the so i. I wonder where. The where where jared goes. If there's like a full redraft twenty fifteen class like you know how top of the second if not in the first easily doll i mean like i thinking. Oh no i'm thinking more like he'd be top ten like ed this entire drive classmate like i mean if there's a redraft like right now like today He was you know fanta and this is one of those where you know. We've gone through each round and we're like. Oh while the falcons could have also gotten this guy who's a better pick. Who would have been. Better peg the falcons could have gotten this guy. Notes hindsight twenty twenty. But this is the pick where the falcons got him and this is other teams being like well. Yeah like a seattle. Yeah we got trae pool. But we could have gotten grady jared Break got john feliciano but we have got dirty or you know. The reagan got allen L. and dollars could have been jerry so it was. It was one of those where this one is. full like. full-on hit. There is no player after him that you would have rather had. Yeah in. I scanned through this draft class. When i was like oh man Especially from this point forward as you go through the six round and into the seventh round there is just no one Maybe maybe trent brown in the seventh round guard with the central cisco but that's it and Otherwise like grady jarrett was the best pick honestly for the remainder of the draft easily. And as you mentioned probably would be a top ten pick if you re drafted this entire class so and rightfully so he's been one of the best interior pass rushers in the nfl Since since he came into the league and who can forget who can forget his performance in the super bowl where he just absolutely was a destroying the patriots offensive line handedly It is a shame that we have not paired him with any other guys in that right now even this two thousand and twenty season. It's literally grady jarrett and a bunch of dudes so sad but hopefully hopefully the next coaching staff next gm will address that finally finally close out the draft Just two last names both taken in the seventh round. Both of these guys ultimately wouldn't do much in league number two twenty five out of eastern washington offensive lineman jack rogers and that new number two forty nine out of san jose state safety slash corner a keen king near these guys. Worked out with the falcons or with any other team in. Its the seventh round on hammer. Too much on these guys So with that on non. We've gone through free agency. We've gone through the draft. Why don't you give me your great if you will for. What dmitrov did the free agency what he did. In the draft and ultimately the job differ the two thousand fifteen season it was. It was a pretty solid offseason overall. I'd probably give it Maybe like a b minus Just because none like you got. You got some nice contributors. You didn't really Wait let let me let me Redo let's make it a solid. Be not to be minus over. Just because grady jarrett was just that good of a pick you know he was like a a game changer. But you know nobody else really like in free agency. You didn't really get any any real game changers You know in the drop vic beasley was was solid for year. But you know that's a top ten. Pick where he didn't make it past his rookie contract. you know. i know we talked about like in the moment but now that we have the gift of hindsight beasley wasn't like you know fantastic. Pick collins was a bust. Coleman was solid jarrett was really good. But you know there was a lot of foundational pieces here Which resulted in that. Super bowl like a lot of a lot of good contributors solid. You know with the super bowl. Of course. we know about a freeman. We know about matt ryan jones. There were a lot of these guys who were worker bees so to speak and in helping the team get to that point and i feel like again had we won the super bowl. We'd be looking at this draft class this overall free agency in a different light because we'd be like oh well jalen collins had great twenty sixteen in we probably don't win the super bowl without like him stepping up and Yeah stepping into it. So you know that's that's a shame but overall that's just how it goes without with evaluating the past. So this was it was all in. We saw grady. Jared to to show for it at this point. And he's been he's been absolutely fantastic. So i this wasn't twenty twelve. You know at the twenty thirteen off season at all so this was. This was one of demetrius better. I know better off seasons. Yeah i would tend to agree in obviously is the precursor to what would i think ultimately his best offseason in two thousand sixteen But he did solid work in this one and again i feel like vic beasley. Obviously we can pick now but at the time it made a ton of sense. He was a consensus. You know top. Pass rusher in this draft class and jalen collins. Lot of people thought he was going to go in the first round so he was a player that many people thought. Oh hey the falcons may have gotten some value here. Even if he didn't work out. And as you mentioned. I think the narrative changes Based on the super bowl and obviously that two thousand sixteen season ended with so much pain than it's hard to see what these guys did in that season in a positive light. Even though both guys had a relatively good to sixteen season. I do feel like i feel like be as the right grade. Greg jarrett is you know. The he's a franchise player and it's hard to find those when you find one in the fifth round. That's a big big win. And i liked the free agent signings i liked tammy i liked brooks read You know. I felt like they made some sensible moves and didn't overspend in free agency in completely with and the guys that they did spend on. It wasn't a lot of money that was lost. So you know. The cap wasn't devastated by like a sam baker type contract dante fowler. Yeah we're dante exactly exactly like dante. Fowler contract So this was. I think more reserved but successful off caesar a season for former. Jim thomas dmitrov so with that. Thank you for joining me on this. Podcast recapping the two thousand. Fifteen season under thomas dmitrov. Won't you tell our listeners. Where can find you what you have going on on you can find me at say would way on twitter. That's a my social media of choice and you know other than that. I'll be breaking down the off season at falco hollick No dropped season Back into it now. It's swallowed the season's already pretty much over at this point You know feels like just yesterday The nfl was announcing that we were gonna play and you know times just flying so you know stick with the fella golic as as a one stop shop. For all of your falcons news and information. Everyone does a fantastic job absolutely again. Thank you for. Join me on this podcast on. We're going to have you back on soon as we cover some different topics As we head into the offseason alcan's s from you guys. You can find me on twitter alcoholic d. w updates podcast hallways pod and of course our articles. Daily at the falcons dot com so for unknown david walker. Thank you guys for listening and we will be covering the two thousand sixteen season varies. Come back for that review. Thanks for talking to you next.

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2002 Week 10: Patriots at Bears

Patriots Dynasty Podcast

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2002 Week 10: Patriots at Bears

"This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my mother Judy, you have the choice not to my son's sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny but really just being stupid you still want to listen go right ahead I am not your. Pages, does he podcast? It is Thursday July twenty, third? Twenty. Twenty. But today we're going to be taking you back to Sunday November tenth two, thousand and two. Were saying the date of their according now, I just throw it in there just to see. All kinda feel. A. They unearth the records of mankind in this podcast is held up as the sterling example of humanity. Then it'll be good to have a date runners. On. Their. What will happen I'm sure. They're gonNA know about Tom Brady Evans GonNa know about him. That's true. Aliens come and then. This'll be just a record of him. Yeah especially. Since I'm actually putting these onto cassette tapes every time we recorded an episode. So They're safer posterity and I'm very good in the backyard but don't tell anybody. Body. We don't tell anybody. Remember, last year down does listen to this. You should bury them next to your porn mags. Tapes. Can I go on record and say that? On July twenty third hours in a real rotten mood. 'cause I'm in a bad mood. was. that. Bad Mood I. Maybe, I need a vacation. Maybe you guys are annoying. That can't be what maybe I hate my wife, I don't know I just. Just in a bad mood today. I understand why your wife gets introduced by has poor. Kelly. Poor Kelly Were Poor Greg. Yeah that's that's not a big name that stuck for some reason shut up. Andy. I'm just saying. Hey maybe should fix your microphone. Pretty good. Skin interesting podcast. Speaking of assholes. The coach of these Chicago bears. Dichter on. Adult. Dick. Dick Yeah. I want to. Come on. Even, I admit speaking astles here's a guy named Dick really missed out. Actually all or is that just like your transition? Do you Kate Dick on Yes because he in two thousand, one, one coach of the year. Over Belgium jerk. For the New Jersey Smitten, it feels highly disrespectful just to the sport of football. Well hasn't check only won twice he's one of them is. Probably. Stat check check how many times it would go bella check one coach of the year. Like when he retires against going to rename that after him, right. Like all the. Award named Adam that that feels like it fits. Three three times three which let's see if we can guess which seven. One, I honestly can't think of another like specific year twenty eleven maybe close. To three thousand, four, one of those seasons. Those are two guesses but yes, two, thousand three. Two thousand twelve runway two, thousand, ten, they weren't fourteen into. Two Thousand and three they went fourteen and two in two, thousand, seven. I'm not gonNA bring that up. Yeah. We I don't even feel Belshazzar one coach years since two, thousand ten. Correct interest it's crazy. What year were has You know who has one in that time though. Jason. Garrett. Fuck is Jason. Garrett, coach of the year. Yeah. What is the worst coach in the NFL right now? He's still coach. Every season, it's like Oh. Yeah. They're gonNA fire him. He's on the hot seat for five years L. least he's like. What's his name? Has a crush on a muggy with Roma where he can do? No wrong. Jerry Jones. Yeah Do Ron Rivera. Won It twice I think he's a good coach Bruce Arians. Won It twice I think he's a good coach. Harbaugh. Would saw. Jim Harbaugh at the niners. John. He has not. Sean McVeigh Matt Nagy, that's kind of a one might not age. Well, we'll see. Already hasn't. Oh, John Harbaugh did win it last year. Sorry. Probably, okay. That makes sense. So yes. Who wanted in the justice? When he sixteen? Yeah. That was chasing Gary. I think that was, what's his name his rookie year. That Prescott. Yeah. They went thirteen and three. They really. Over. The over bell check. Who? Started three quarterbacks that year and still went and whatever they went. Through. Where did they go? into. It went fourteen and two year. Losses, came to the bills member when Jacoby percent had one hand. was playing with a bad passing hand. And wondering checking in one of them came with one of the backups Ray. Three hundred. Three. Three and one without Brady Yeah. Flow was. was hurt and they were like threatening to start element at quarterback. It anyway and didn't play Garoppolo One, the cardinals game opener, which they're super good. Then then the dolphins where he got hurt in the. Third percent finish the dolphins game then they beat the Texans on that on. Remember, watching that game at. Heart. But they lose to the bills. Sixteen nothing. Watch that game, the bills Bar, and as leaving everyone everyone is shitting over me and. Enjoy a super bowl. Enjoy a super bowl Andrea super bowl. Super Bowl and you can see their Faiza hockey's right. Still no update on my chicken wings at. From here. Let's check the tracking. Yell Please I. Think we need an update on this I regretted that immediately by the way I will send you some money if I can timeshare that. Timeshare a hat. Yeah. Does that work? Borrow for a couple of months. I don't even think it's shipped yet for occasions Seattle Amazing I ordered it from a bar. which is not even open anymore. Anchor. Bar. Chicken. Wing. Asked. So yeah, it's it's. Dues basement it might be a while. Yeah. By the time, the NFL season starts when do they play the bills go? Relatively early. To. We'll have to. Make by. Greed although. You have to wear a mask. Did you hear that news you? Don't tread on me. They said, they're going to require mass for any fans if they have fans of the NFL season. Yeah. Having a bunch of stadiums already said, they're just not going to have fans. I think at least like some. Partial Fan their ideas, twenty five percents getting thrown around. Every wants to link to this podcast is laughing at us because. Season's already been canceled by the time. This comes up. Get cancelled. We'll see. Growth. Yeah Baseball is. Opening, day his as we speak right now. Has Actually kickoff though I was watching the pre-game by the way. ESPN. Is just the fucking worst. Well, that's why is it a bad mood Greg am I? Before this. I haven't watched cspan in months and I was like you know what? It's opening Damn Baseball Zika. So I gonNA turn on, see what they do. How bad can it be and it was there was nothing like sports related. They talked about fucking cove. They had like Mariano. Rivera. Playing catch with President trump. In like a super awkward interview and then they did like black lives matter stuff and I was like, can you not tell me anything about the players playing in this fucking game? Day have it at. About. Right. And then every every commercial commercials every like five minutes I we're in this together. Exactly. Why is so bad? I. So speaking of people who are super angry. Dick Giron. Priok. Particularly pleased either when he played the sole noted assault, they go to whole dictator on noted coach of the year award steeler he's from mass. It's from swamp sky. Did Ya We've already decided this. We don't WanNa know about these people as people because then it's harder to hate them remember that's A. That's a good point you could stop doing that. That'd be that'd be great. Patriots are eight and one against on teams. His only loss came in two thousand when he is what the bears. Average score for Patriots. Game against you're on twenty, eight to fourteen. The average. Associate Head Coach or talking any coaching. No as a head coach, a with the buffalo bills from Oh six to nine. Oh, right. So you know how many times he beat the the Patriots of none exactly. Math skills went to Yale. I don't care how smart he is or how cool he is or probably a nice wife and kids, and he's like I'm donate to charity instead. Any of that. Is All American in football in high school two. Teenage Teenage deathly the month and in two thousand one he led the bears to a thirteen and three record on the season this season. Not so much. So speaking of fluke coach of the year awards. Chicago bears would finish the season four twelve. After starting to go by the way. They had come into this game losing their last six. So they were in six at the point. So he won the previous year. Yeah. And followed it up. By winning four whole games. That's right. They they did like sound like that on the broadcast of like. They're like really stressing how disappointing a year this was. Oh alert for Oliver free listeners. Greg actually watched this game I. Give. Start to finish this the first time you've done this. No. I watch all the good Games. Yeah. So I think with with this being such a momentous occasion being the first game of two thousand and two that Craig's watched. How about he gives us his lombardi score? Yeah. Okay. It's out of how many five? Yeah grow. Six? To six LOMBARDI's of we. Work. Sometimes you lose track when there's any refunds data's true. We have one six yes correct. Yes. It's interesting. I don't really count that last one because it wasn't like glamorous enough or me. Only one touchdown. I need more storylines. Six I'm giving it four and a half. Okay. Any Any. Watch ability notes. Third core third quarter was just a dynamite quarter all and. BLEW UP Yeah it was like a sluggish game in the first half there. that. I gave it three. Lombardi's because the first half is six six snooze Riyadh to say but now it's got to be more than three because the annual. Is At least three AFC championship. Three and a half I'd I'd totally forgotten about this game. I've never seen it. May to but there was. Another good. Watch ability. Well, I didn't look like what the the final score was. because. I. Knew it was going to watch it and there was a lot of points in the game where you're like. Came should be over right now. A kept getting. Darker Darker Outlook and you're like. When. Did they turn this around? Here reminded me of last year against the chargers where I got like halfway through the fourth quarter and thought. I am watching the right game, right? Yeah. You win this one. Little Bit of the game to says in the third quarter was getting dark out there. Yeah. There's one there's one point in the third quarter where you're just like Holy Shit. So, this is going into the half six, two six. No one's really playing well, both teams, Kinda, look like Shit the the starting quarterback for the bears is out for the game him. Yeah. Let's touch on him real quick because the last time we saw Chris Chandler. WAS IN ATLANTA LAST? Year. s when he got hurt so badly, he was like walking crooked remember he was like, bent sideways. Which Michael Vick Cayman exactly yeah. Game You got lit up to and this game was exactly the same Chris Chandler from the Gecko just taking shots. And exited in. The second quarter I think. Could. Hurt. HIMSELF ON A fourth-down qb sneak. because. I think it was Lauren. Malloy was one of the say was. Came in and crush them like on the top of the head. And he ended up with what they were calling in next brain. Yeah. Those definitely a concussion hundred percent. I probably both because the way he was walking, he just wasn't moving any of his upper body and it looks and then would they bring in who apparently was already you might have been the starter before that but he had severe. Yes. Show. This bears team. Jim. Miller, should he look there's a throwback? This is last season in the NFL. Yeah. So The starting quarterback before chance gave us like kind of garbage day. They were talking about stuff game at least he came into the game with tendonitis in his throwing arm. So he couldn't throw the ball more than ten fifteen yards down the field which you know. If your defense knows this and you could see the Patriots, even hit as easy command just. Didn't cover anything past ten yards safety go for. They jumped every end like it was slow go. And you could switches makes the third quarter even worse. Yeah. So the third quarter is just a, it's an absolute disaster for the pats like. Time. And it just like all falls apart. and. Give up a touchdown on like. Or they go three and out give up a touchdown. Today Yeah. They fumbled right sack fumble on Brady give up a touchdown three now punt it the very next play they run a trick play. Yes. Already Booker fucking throws it to Marcus Robinson like fifty yard touchdown pass. Very next drive. Walk it. Sorry. Can also in in in the middle of the? Forty five yards in there. Yeah. Jones. Even the like that three out I don't even think you did a justice because it was so bad that. The Patriots their I play fall started. and. Then they burnt a time out and then they still went three and out, and then they had a punt where the punt returner kind of fucked it up and fumbled MOFFITT. But our boy Chatham had a fifteen yard facemask sorta called back and had to reprint it into the win. And gave an extra. Fee like twenty yards and then the next play was that wide receiver pass from book immediately, a trick play touchdown a narrow down. Then you've the very next drive. The, very next drive you throw the nearest -ception drug lady they they go three and out again. And then the next time they get the back. which was an incredible interception. Bright Brian Urlacher. WHO's we will get to him later but then the before that on the first play, the drive Brady fumbled the snap. Eat It, dive on. And then the next play throws the interception early. Yeah and then it's like. They get the ball. Thirty five yards out and they just pound it down the pats throats. They run the ball at three plays easy touchdown and you're all the sudden down fucking twenty one points in like half half a quarter. Yeah. So at that point like what the fuck is going on. Here of two, hundred, six bears. Yeah. You're five point favorites you're playing a backup quarterback he just turn the ball over twice in your last four drives you're on the road you physically get dominate. You're getting out coached by Dick Giron and you're down twenty one points, ed, you're they still having converted. Like, Hair August. Compared to third down at that point either no, they're not. They're over whatever on third down here I was like Oh for five or six. This game was even being played at soldier field. It was console ship feel was being built. This is play. Illinois. University. Which is why champagne miracle at champagne right which. It is not spelled like champagne the. Drink. Champagne I'm glad we couldn't that. It's not it doesn't have an L. Steve Martin. We discussed this last week. AD. nauseam actually if I remember correctly. Way. Now, now the like you said, we discussed this a lot. Champlain is a is a is a French call navigate. Members Samuel Day champlain. Name, getting him mix up with similar data points. You're thinking it's Sergio Dale opponents. I always get those mixed up. He's the guy that wanted to find the counted of youth. Champlain or Get off. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to get back to maybe it's not Sergio deal opponents. Early or the other. Discovering the Fountain of Youth. How about that? Transition. Steve Dick. ALP Ponce Daily on. That's they go. Making sure funky steadier after. Name, and there's some history guy out there. That is just listening to this and Jesus these guys are fucking idiots Gary History teacher. And, we got like all four of the navy brought up. Oh Yeah like, Oh, I like the Patriots I like history. Let's listen to this and they will never listen again. We're getting both of them. Correcting each other and getting them wrong. So the Anthony Thomas Literal Walk in touchdown who also great nickname the way trae train love. Yeah tastic. But the ensuing drive I feel like this is one of the reasons we're spoiled with this patriots team in like Brady. especially is because he's got a massive nuts on them. Yeah. You any other team that goes down three touchdowns and a quarter like they default they don't see them come back from that. You know yeah and the Patriots their next drive they finally converted third down to who else try brown. Gradually started looking more like himself. This game I thought. And then a massive screenplay Antoine. Brady finally finds faulk for. Touchdown to answer finally. So now they're only down two touchdowns. Right. Well, my my I already know, and then you guys interrupted me. It's fucking tell podcasts works bro Yeah. But my kate was all about my kate inside listed all those things I was working against them now. What is Brady do? A play seventy, five, yard seven for seven three and a half minutes Totti. Like I started going into rival. Yet clinical drive from bringing. You could tell he just looked pissed off was used Sassy. This game here was supersonic having. It's best to bring up the commentators. And Not in a way you think but I'm going to do. You like them when I started. I wrote this is not the Varsity team. Kevin Harlan and Randy Cross. There okay. Randy man. Has His name pick his name is Horny mad. Ready, cross? Greg Yeah, we understand. But. I thought to cross like I I wrote him and his voice and was able to actually like put the name to it like I, just the center meathead but he actually was pretty relevant in this game. You saying things about Like right after they scored that Adrian touchdown about how the bears can't relax and start like not being as aggressive on defense because. Of what the Patriots could possibly do. And he kept like calling out the bears events like on that that ensuing drive the Brady touchdown drive for being too soft and like kind of taking their foot off the gas and they. They shouldn't do that talking about making sure that they. Score enough points because you know you don't WanNa. Wish, we had those extra four points at the end of the game sort of thing I had a big bone to pick with them actually. I mean I have a couple causes me but I want to hear it. Yours is. They were fucking slandering Brian Urlacher. Thank. Oh God he Do. They were like he's not our linebacker. He's just a good football player and Ray Lewis is way better and double down on it later in the game. Point, eight times In what way? How can you say they're like he's not a complete linebacker he's just an all around football player. What does that even mean? To me that sounds complete player. Or lack was played out of his Gourd. In this whole game. He had that sick pick on the two point conversion. He had that amazing. Just go through all the trash in. Garesh up. The. Fake snap. He read that whites without getting full. He was all he did everything you'd want from linebacker was pass rushing. He was stopping the run and he was intercepting passes. How has He didn't have any sacks. I think. I think that's fucked green was. The Ray Lewis, catalog. Sex STATUEK. Out Fuck static Jesus. Alexa. My pizza just showed up. Alexa. On it right now are you? Hey Siri. Bay Siri. Total some career sacks Ray Lewis? Forty one and a half sacks. Average season. That's on. How many did he average per season? Just I can get maybe. Three ish if that, maybe two and a half. So if they play for a while two and a half four, three three and a half three three and a half zero one and a half, one, one, one, five, three and a half. To two one. Not a complete linebacker maybe maybe it was racism because he's White Ball. Brian Urlacher for awhile I. wanted that barbed wire tattoo around. Of course you. Didn't so bad ass though. Well when when you're thirteen, it is. Yeah. Yeah. I thought Brian. I mean, I was loved him. Bone to pick with or any cross is that he'll love calling Tom Brady a mobile quarterback. This entire game he did say that I was like, fuck? Yeah that once he's uncertain Rebecca. Did. And and relative to competition that he was playing he actually was significantly more mobile. Jim Miller not high bar to clear. But House Chandler, a twenty one year old Tom. Brady can actually scoot around him. A Jimmy Choo Chewing, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Us a pizza review parents what you do now. Yeah these are. Newman's on. Frozen. Pizza. I can the barbecued chicken here and I got the Margarita. Get kind of sick of them. Scale of. College Kid to divorced dad how sad is that pizza? Well seeing as my wife just Watson's into the room and brought. It's me on a platter. I would say I, don't understand the scale. I'll take. I guess, College Game. But that doesn't make not either. 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Hottest scale from like Beta human to cock boy. Sore. Soy. I don't even know that meal. It was Alicia by the way. fucking nailed it. All right. So speaking of soft noodles. That interception. Miller through note, look like late stage Peyton manning who right after and Brady touchdown with the talk to get back in it to get in that second touchdown Roy quick was Is on his own twenty yard line and just had nothing on the ball. You try to go deepen the only one that was closest to hose Otis Smith by like five yards. But New England. Coaching start at the bare twenty five imagine goal kicking a field goal. Did Go. So I mean even at the end of the third quarter, it's. Bears. Twenty seven Patriots sixteen like woods but all this happens in one quarter, which is pretty crazy. Yeah Oh. Yeah. There was fourteen. Drives in this. There was the first four or four touchdowns. And if you'll go, I, feel to thirty thirty one points quarter. Yeah. And three turnovers. Question do you think check getting out coach in this game? No. No. Those pleasure working and now? They had like three trick plays I want their way. I can think of my add. To, yeah. Patriots also doing their own trick plays though. Did they work. Yeah. They did the fake punt in the second quarter that set up. Adams. Husband Damien seven yard field go where you David Lined up like they lined up as if they're punting I don't even know like where he hit on the field today like. Protector and then he can't guess. Yes. And then. They lined up in. Who they have in the background Dion Branch, the running back lined up. And is ready to Cuba sneak. To convert. A three yard Tom Brady quarterback sneak on fourth and three. Even more bold in my opinion. And that was halfway through the fourth. Fourth quarter, it's the May even on this final. It was after all the final drive hub blue about the clock we'll get to that. Yes the Patriots still down. Pretty big. Speaking of the commentators I wrote down some. Quotes from them. You got some young have. Football football. Just things amused me these are just. My musings as listen. Okay. Tom Brady is one fired up cowboy right now. Seductive move by Brady. Which Niche I thought, that's a weird way to describe it, but he was describing A. Play, action. Who has? Seducing someone into thinking it's play a hand off is really appropriate word to use their. So both both great descriptions A. Horny hungry. What's his name? Randy Cross? Horny Horny Mad. I have another bone to pick with them as well. By. All means I serve. Patriots last touchdown and they're like. Do they go or not even touched on before last right with do they go for two or do they kick the PAT last? Lasted they go up one point thirty, one thirty. No good defense he has got kicked upon PAT in. Defense this is like. The logic of like, yeah. Let's go up by two or three by two or three because even if you miss it like what's one or two? There's no difference in those because it's literally next core went. In Stupid Yup. I coach to. The era of analytics though, is it no deft logic tests? Last bears touchdown run cross. This was a whole bottle of feel-good pills for the bears. Shit like that rules maybe what was in? The feel could pills but I did have one football football. It's here. All right sacking involved I promise. It was you better get his whole package when you hit him I don't even remember what was context saying. Remember the play. I think it was Antwan Smith running the law. Better yet his whole packing. It means grab onto his junk to tackle them that football not football. Then I think it's A little bit of both. Can you both option we've never done because like you gotta grab this package to tackle him. He had the whole thing. You know he to be an effective way to bring down. You're grabbing onto grab onto lifeline. Oh. My That sorted out. Should. We talk about this to Patriots Touchdown Touchdown Greg Greg you've been really setting it up so great since he watches game. Takes their. Take us in the field. you got interrupt interrupting me. Thank you to pay me a picture. please. No pain picture payment. So end of the third quarter. When we got to score here. Pats down by twenty seven, sixteen, Twenty, seven, sixteen third down by eleven. Start out the fourth quarter by go on a long drive like A. Fifteen play drive that ends with a voluntary field goal very next drive. Day gave up a field goal of their own. So you're like, God is really isn't heading the direction you want it to go. Kick kickoff to the fifty. Yeah, yeah. And they to that field goal in? Did the joint. Got Me off. Don't Cammisa, CHICAGO It written down. All adenjer to I'd never heard of that did. Still haven't but Dan So you got about six and a half minutes left down by eleven. So you Kinda gotTa make something happen here. and. What is Brady do. Brady always dies. So drives him down there. What like the thirty five some around their yard line. Bears just send the absolute Haus have Brady and he's like. Back. Stepping backwards like throws it off his back foot and you're like, all God. Is Third. Downhill this is trouble. And like he it's one of those ones where like fall. Flat and like turn left and it goes over and he has the earn while it's in the air and Rana. Wheel. One Hand into his basket and what a catch and then. Clocks Earth. Kevin fog to me is the NBA game. He was looking good I will give you that. You see numbers. And Very. Very new, England offense of them. had seven catches for one hundred, nine yards in two touchdowns in five carries for twenty one yards. And no mistakes blitz pickup JANA numbers. Yeah. Yeah. That's. A Stud Patriots Friday. I did notice that. I don't know if the Patriots had seen something or what but they were running shit like drop droplets in this game. Yeah and it felt like. Kevin Faulk was getting a good amount of those yards on data draw screens, flats, routes, Anton Smith caught a bunch of balls in this game, which is weird. It felt like that. What was Anton? Smith numbers I just scrolled all the way down Andy kinds versa. Anton Smith Four catches for twenty four and ten carries for forty one. Try Brown. Seventeen targets. Eleven catches ninety yards, seventeen targets. Our our grade you back. While think, he had a tough tough day. Those coroners who are pretty good. Jerry. Jerry Zuma UNH product at baby. In the dark. The Shield Eiser who had a better name though Jerry Zuma or R W mcquarters? Sure her W mcnichols. But A nickel. Back. So, perfect. At some point he was. I saw some point. As cool. was that dark. Facial was. That, I can't help you in a night game right Does it hurt you. I'd never. Wearing sunglasses, right. I've never worn I mean Aaron's grandfather used to wear sunglasses at night when he was driving home because the. It would cut down on glare of oncoming traffic. which scared the absolute shit out of me. This is what happens when you get three guys in a room. We've never played football talking about. I see out there. It's dark out and he's wearing sunglasses. Feel. two of Kevin Fox catches were. bailouts for Brady sacks to remember those plays. Oh, the little shop ones that he'd been doing back like crazy shovel passes from Brady about to get sacked and just flipped it to Kevin Fall he had a couple of those and you also had what I thought was. Like. The Textbook. Screenplay like right at the end of the first half and it went to faulk for like thirty yards. Yup where it just looked like it was a broken play and the like the blocking was perfect they let him out through just the right time and it was the perfect way. With Australia because that, one of those flip shovel passes whatever he's about to get like pulled halfway down was on that drive your was just Take us there greg. Yeah. So actually, well, before we get to see the Patriot. Fox course touchdown. Talk, what's your score there? So now we're down. They go they go for to get so down five, right. So now they're down five with under three minutes left. And they kick off which I thought. The. commodores like they're probably going to go on side here like you get timeouts in three minutes like why the fuck would you? Got The. Lighten to go on sides. But that they lined up on sizes and kick the deep. Not An analytics error, I guess. At the back of the. Kick a deep, and then immediately give up a nine yard run on. I. Really. This is trouble. Barron their second time I'll second one. As second one big Willie. Makes it huge stop. User second time. Are there last time I'll and you're like? All right. This is basically a third one for the game here. And, say play action on a guy with a noodle arm I. Liked that I. liked that I like thought. Matt Miller Back There Greg Weather spellcheck was out coach I'd say, no because of this right here. Yeah. You gotta put your nuts on the table and because the only time they did anything in this game was when they. Went outside the box like across talking John, Bill for outside the box that they went back in it. Is what he said. Aspen. Commentators Way. Off. Air clearly not a trigonometry guy. Clearly. They run up, run up the middle of the train at Tedy Bruschi comes in and stop some Richard Seymour was in their yard a yard. Not. So near like all right I, see game plays out. and. I was still like like leaning forward towards the TV like it. Is. This is this is. The one. Stop working. On was working. All right. Oh more work and that's Chessel. Time. Get. Good. Yeah did you also to go You know actually yesterday going back to that other drive the one that the touchdown with Falk on. They had to go for a fourth in like five from their own forty three. With like four minutes left and now as a huge play by Brian and he just got absolutely demolished. So that was a huge play by Troy easy second everywhere these early years oh so was. He was like I. I remember. A few years ago saying when Brady Element Gronk role on the team. And I think. That they lost in the. AFC Championship to the Broncos one of those years. peyton manning was still there and. And they just kept getting more and more injuries and I think GRONK was out but it'll is still there I, was okay because I said. Like the offense run through element like he's the one that kind of keeps going between the twentieth like if Brady needs the I doubt he's going to go to albumin and that's just GonNa like keep offense moving whereas Gronk is the guy that finishes drive. So they'll still there and he got hurt. And they weren't the same after that. And I feel like Troy Brown was the original version of that like when you got your, you really needed something. You go to. Brown. Is Always any whole yes, and even if he's not, you're gonNA catch it anyway. I think we've been pretty clear about our absolutely love Troy Brown on this podcast. He's pretty damn good employees for listening. Please please come on we love to have you on Or just knowledge our existence that would make me so happy. McCoy you want if anyone wants this podcast to stop forever. No get a signed affidavit Troy Brown saying, yes I have seen podcast at sucks please ask them to stop. That probably would do it actually I would stop it that if If I knew that trae gated our podcast Miss so much shame. Badge that he listens in this thing is. You guys can do better I did. Scraping the Brown name. What we do that anyway. Yeah. Chokes on new. Years. So? I guess that brings us to the. Final drive the penultimate drive. Really. But the final drive them who big word love it. I was actually thinking that word in my head to wreck. I was GONNA. Correct you to you didn't say. Sorry I should've I should've given that to you. I think I taught you that early? Yes. We've talked about on this podcast is a good monty python skit sketch. This is get to the penalty mation. Let's. Great, would you want to do the honors Nope? He's getting frozen pizza. All right. So I think the reason I want to do is because I felt like this. Dr Had some similarities to the drive in the game that Greg calls the best game of the pages tightness in the talk group which. They actually showed the replay of in this. I know they're going to even even if you didn't put together yourself there, we're GONNA we're to beat that horse. Basil is this horses kind of fresh? At that point, it was not anymore. Yeah. But. So the Patriots hold the the Bears Bears Putnam, bears for some reason they the comedies made a comment about how the bears. Took the wind in the third quarter but I don't Know if That's the case out coach Bill Bell check again. So ballot check has the wind behind in which is. The reason vegetarian was able to kick a fifty seven yard field goal in the. Second Quarter. Second Quarter. which is career long. His car is still his career long problem. Wasn't that point. It was also a Patriots career-long or Patriots all-time longest field goal and the longest field goal in that season. So they kicking he and they knew like because they were kicking with the wind there. So, Siri. Oh. Aries. Adam. Method. Is An American football player who? Would you like? I'm. Really not would you like to hear more? Bad apparently asking do you WanNa hear more? Make serious as. Shop. Bears kicking into the putting into the win, which hasn't gone well in this game. So troy remains take the punt return back to their own forty four. The windy city right really living up to its name Sperry that was his career long. Yeah I. figured this Little Career Fifty seven feel. Far. Songs is fifty five the when city, Greg. But we'll let that slide to. Chicago champaign. You want to get a little deeper there. As. Well, it's not even the call, the Windy City because it's Wendy wisely yes I know politicians and shit now it's windy as fucking Chicago it is it isn't it? Yes. So, page down the ball on their own forty, four minute fifty left. Because they're win bags. The. Politicians who were data's ready for any to start interrupt him. I'm reading history dot com slash news slash y Chicago called the windy city. That you are eldest just rolls off the tongue doesn't it? Radars Zoom. No People wanted showing for. An Open Forum. Zoom balls. I. Mean we could live shares as seven. I don't know if I'd do zoom dot. US Dot Post. was just going to be asked again nightline them. Yeah. It's cool. Waste. Anymore. You fucking kick at. First Time ever muted. Because, you're trying to give out our fucking privates zoom call. That thing we need right now is. Zoom bombed by somebody other than you. The Hell is gonNA zoom bomb us. Know Hackers Greg this is the Internet you know how the Internet works, they eleven and then the. Torture it till it's dead Bro I know all about the Internet erasing that video of them those people in that talk show talking about like. What is this Internet thing. Is a what is this? Haywar. The circle around it. What does that mean that about? It's one of the bucket and funny videos. There's that and the newscasts about what the? L., O. L. stands for. But every single one is about like drugs and sex. A good. Comeback Steve Patriotair is. Late in the fourth quarter about a minute left I'd Sam Five, two minute drill and they're cruising they're they're moving the ball Until. Brady decides a loft one into the face of the bears nose tackle gets picked off Brian Robinson. who was a guest an underperforming high draft pick. From. Behind. They were trashing him to trashing interim crushing. Other commentators were like gushing about like this his redemption Yada Yada Yada, and then the play goes under review and you see that he never has complete control, the ball and For as bad as for a was from Brady, throwing it directly to the nose tackle. He's also the one that did the karate chop into the guy's hands to make an off the football. That's. The offense of lime and spread it i. Did it. Well, I saw bring do it. I couldn't definitely that you can see on the replacement watch it again Steve watched it again Joel no actually again was it was initially dislodged by you're wrong watch watch it again never had complete control. So how initially dislodge if you never had control Because exactly what do you think bray was while he was we had to have a control to be dislodged if it's not lodge to be dislodged. Just say. You're wrong. And you're not a good football fan because you don't see those things you're not even. Even real athlete. Aren't anthem the night ESPN at least I can beat you with golf. So that's all I care about. If The tape is correct. and. Important Sports. Stretching the definition of the word sport but okay, do you. So. In Shades of the snowball. Tuck rule. This call was overturned pages get a second chance. A third chance for less controversial is definitely not an interception. which is like all the celebrating and even the commentators like they showed the replay and it was did a really good shot the first time they showed it where you're like that I never even to add that. Yes and I did it like pick up on it which I thought was surprising. There was this whole spiel about like Bryan Robinson's redemption. Yeah. The bears are going to win this game like there's probably like a minute hat where you're like dose overturn. Yeah. It was pretty obvious but then. If that wasn't enough. For the fans to boo. Couple plays later. Brady hits patent with a DART in the back of the endzone. Pat Manages to dot the I with his left foot to get both down before that was a four, thousand, three Tom. Brady quarterback sneak. Play. Pass to Kevin Faulk. Yeah. So yeah. So All right. Yeah. I did skip that. You're right. I. Apologize so much packed into like the last. Minute of the game, the reference could barely keep up because the overturn their call give the patients ball back figure out like timing where the ball should be Yada Yada Yada and its fourth and three. Patriots lineup real quick into a qb sneak. To the first down and then lineup up again to spike the ball. But the referees have to blow the play dead because they want to. Measure but they've already pick up the ball to put it somewhere else. Stopped it. Can't make search. The refs there too because I was like, I? I. Don't know what? Do. You do there. You know. Exactly the only thing you can do is really review it to make sure they got the first but then you're giving the Patriots advanced because he stop the clock. So it was a bit of a show, but eventually, it was to patent with absolutely ridiculous catch for the touchdown running full speed. Managed to grab it without bobbling it and get both feet down like a full sprint. Not much very rainy moss. Ask I thought. That Randy Moss on Thanksgiving. Against the cowboys. Yes. Similar touchdown. Yeah, he's telling you of those great catch gets a pass to, is it good toe tapper? He is he is. And so they review that one too because it was close and that one was upheld. And then you got probably my favorite chance in football is the bullshit chant. And As soon as that started right across as like well, the fans aren't happy about that call, but it's the right one. Would you say that were cross? Hey So on the on the cat, she could tell you it was like the. Fields with like the rubber pads in it. So you get Steve. Orange was it was not talked about it. All okay. Fat Check Bro. Stadium's ASTROTURF was replaced with Astro play in two thousand and one astro play. Kevin Harlan Call Randy. Cross out about it because he cross said something about how you could see the dirt kick up. He's like that's not actually dirt. It's rubber pellets. And they had. Two, thousand and one. Didn't even know this shit was that old. No Yeah. So it must have got replaced the year before, but you could clearly see his. Foot, Mark. On the Orange Zone because they're in. Lack of. Else crazy. So close astro play. Yep. See Call. Since the early two thousands, ASTROTURF has marketed taller pile systems that use infamous have better replicate natural turf. It really is so much better than astroturf God you astroturf pitches carpet like admiral carpet on concrete. might have been worse than carpet like Shittier, to fall on then carpeted wasn't great. It was very thin carpet. I love that shit the. Astros play. Is Pretty good for soccer I. Think it's Probably prefer to plan grass but no way really unless you're playing like parole, I got fucking perfectly manicured. If you're playing at the levels you and I are planning at your plan trash field. That's like Oh. Yeah. Potholes ship. Yeah. That's fair. Upkeep is not him for this. This fake ASTROTURF brier anyway pats go up one yup. And then there's the debate. Do they kick the extra point or do they go for two with thirty seconds left? Take the point here. Distrust your defense take points. Over reliable. Troy. Brown. Two point conversion. It's good. It's wide open to. What he was super open for. One Yard play. And now the bears have a noodle arm quarterback, the ball and the twenty. Second on second down. And then actually frustrated they called a timeout. With one second left. After that. He actually like five seconds, run off the clock and then call timeout one second like like what? Kind of makes sense right? Anyway. So who cares if it's four seconds or? One Second True I would've thought time run out. Yeah so they tried the Miami Miracle. Did Not work. Came over. Pass win. And this was kind of the. A theme, the Chicago Bears. This was the third fourth quarter blown lead of the season. The other two teams they had done it to were new. Orleans. And Detroit. Shit. That Year Right I think they were pretty good that year. The Detroit. Lions I don't think we're the dirt troy lions finish the season three and thirteen. quarterback for the saints. Aaron Brooks till. Their laws, Aaron Brooks Yeah I. Think it was an address. Well, it was last year. Did you guys catch the scar citing? No Yes kinetico's on there was. Just briefly. Also when after the game when bill check or there's like cutting around random people and Belgians getting super chummy with a guy on the bears number fifty five. By the name of Rosevelt, Colvin. Caldwell. Check of in ninety three I think he's on the Cleveland Ninety three ninety five. Okay. That's funny. Because Rosevelt Colvin was playing in this game. Had A good game to get help the monster? Athletic that. Rodin through the monster which the Patriots sign him. Although he had one tractor trailer was on there to. Play this is the last drive. Where the Patriots Spike it because I think it was Stephen after the play. Where Brady like shoveled it to Kevin Faulk. And they ramp try spike it and Rosevelt Colvin just kind of like stood there and didn't try get back on sides with the bears had to call a timeout. Completion this extra fly it. And so the Patriots. Got To stop the clock without having a spike and I think. It was third downs with its spiked. It would end up being fourth down. So next play was the town I. Think it was An early Lacquer Coleman solid linebackers. mcquarters good cornerbacks. Defense I mean does White Marty Booker is some solid receivers and tight ends Marcus train. Coup Robinson would. You Robinson. I never ready, you have any nicknames versus now I forgot to do that I was. This is what happens when I actually watched it. I know that I know one of them was cherry. Zuma. As. Him I feel like you can recycle that one. What is Kuku could chew me Robinson mean. Does that Song I think Simon and Garfunkel. Whatever close enough. Other. Should I sell Marcus the song slaps. Probably why was famous? Can you can you put this in money? Do the edit anti? Probably what do do do do you made Simon and Garfunkel underrated hard w silver dollar mcquarters. Mrs. Right. Strong Sadie. We get sued. Why do they look like Beavis and butthead if they were polite. Somebody who came from Good families. Youtube comments about like one in twenty or funny. But the one is always pretty fun Daniela. Did that was one of them. I found the Jerry, Zuma one jerry halls of Montezuma. ooh. I was thinking want to zoom when I heard his name that's not bad for Chris Chandler. It was MONTEZUMA's, Aztec. History Lane. To kill you see the one that Cortez. Comes, full circle you got killed by police de Leon. Cortes I hope is. That that is like one of my favorite stories and history is when the Spanish hunky stores the Aztecs like right around the time when they found the new world and. Just. Just imagine that of your like an ass tech empire and you like I know is going on here and then all of a sudden fucking random dudes with like metal swords and shields show with. And you've never seen horses before you just like what the bought. Imagine my two worlds colliding for the first time in history like truly colliding. It must've been so. For both sides. Yeah. The Aztec Empire was apparently like like ridiculous. As well, so it must have been just as mind-blowing for the Spanish to all. Yeah. And then the this, she's like raped of all. Like the whole empire with thirty dudes. That took a dark turn. We should do a episode on that. But that's just the play the game and get the fuck. OUTTA here. Your best and worst Greg I think you should go first as. Steve you go. I'll do the best as the play of the game. For me. Personally. is right after the interception. The noodle arm interception. Like Anton. Smith fumbled it but I believe we got back and there's a huge scrum looking for it. And Brady gets a personal foul. Yes. For like reckon people off the scrub. That may be the only unnecessary roughness personal foul Brady's career. I can't I can't remember another on. Yeah That's I can't remember what I'm I. Feel like he's probably had another one where he's got fired up like. Against the Ravens maybe now he's like. headbutted ed read or some shit like that you know. How I feel like how remember that? I feel like there's something like I don't know if you called for it or. I feel like him in the Ravens Defense always used to get into yeah and then the worst. Honestly, I think it might be the commentators there were frustrating. Wow. Okay. They're just shitting Brian Urlacher I love Friday lacquer. We spend too much time with me. Done. Corruptive Yes all right Gregg are you are you prepared yet? Of We've never done this before. It's. My worst is Steve Not gaining his hyped about I feel like I've been the worst. Of Yours, like half the time. Well, not just. Tanto Cheat Lawn. Dig where you just there she. Needs. It's still Aztec. Right. Now but it's my fucking uneducated. Dictum I take that back then. I have no idea probably be asked just make it up. And I think. A. Really. Listen. Mr Goldman. Apologize for all of us it's nine. It's mine. Yeah. So my worst, Israeli, then Montezuma thinking that Cortes was like a divine on boy of the God. Quite CICALA. Call. Milled. I that's not even close. Pronounce that I can yeah three how to pronounce it. So apparently, Montezuma, just like just starts showering them with gold rooms full of gold. Any demanded everybody from his empire to bring goal to this did. Not, Cortez just like. Massacred everyone and killed them. Against the will of the Gods. Dear when people give you gold I guess. Yeah. He's just. Well I mean I guess if if you're looking at it not in today's terms but. Of the terms of the time then cortes he fucking. Talking about an odd said dared he just wanted me with like a thousand people and like broaden entire empire to its knees civil took all their gold, send it back to the king and Spain. He's like I was Bro. Check out what I found. You didn't want to fund this trip but Jagannath what Brady did to the bears this game. All, right that's the theory. We can't go back in history and like this guy's ass. All I. Mean it's a completely different time. Have you not me talk about the commentators that's legitimate would have been doing every week on. All right. my wife was the first half of the game I have I have a few good things we haven't touched on. One was referees explaining their calls. or who referee was some old dude. White hair and he Had a great time explained the calls and one of them I think it was a bears catch on the sideline. Ruled a catch obviously a catch but I had to look at and because it's under two minutes. And came back and said after reviewing the play, it was a good catch. And that was the end of his called. And then he also pantomime. Pat Patent the catch and tapping his get one foot in and tapping the other one he made the. The actual tap with foot and then put his hands on a touchdown. So. That was great. Oh Yeah. No he pulled it off and he didn't say anything we all knew saying. We're pants currently. Maybe. Ran. Into my time. Of Mine. Of Mine. I'm Steve like mine. Your Pants. Works okay. Dad States Mimes. Everybody hates dude I don't know if that's the thing I think that might be a dad day everybody hates mine they're pretty hated. Let's ask, Siri. Siri. Does everybody. Hate Mimes. Yes For two thousand, eighteen everybody still hates mimes. Has Fourteen. It's still. GotTa check the source and he can't just be like I. saw a headline. It's on medium. On. Everybody hates minds come. By saw my haters dot org. Speaking of. People we didn't really like or who didn't have a great day. Bears Defensive. Coordinator. Not a great day but had an amazing nickname. Dr. Defense. That's. Pretty. Cool. Dr Defense. Now, what's his actual name for cares? DATA UP MR defense. I wrote down bears offensive coordinator, and then his nickname because. His. Name is Charles Defendants. But he said doctor because has a PhD in defense. That's allies Steve if you're wondering. I'm looking it up right now because I don't trust anything he's got. That check. That's a lot of Lonzo. While you're checking that. I also enjoy the musical selection that the stadium. was playing. Some Lincoln Park on there, which brought me back starts with one thing I don't know Yada Yada. Yada Yada Yada rest in peace. That's right. Yeah. Chaz Chaz. Stretching a seri-. What. What was the lead singer? Of Linkin Park the guy that died chester chester. Bennington. Check Out C.. C.. Links to chat chester. Bennington wikipedia. But why can't she just be like Chester Bennington blockchain? Watch Steve It's it's fucking European did? Said Stocker Defense Blue, but at the offensive coordinator John Shoop. SHOOP shoop. shoop. Dog. Shoot. I knew you wouldn't is the nicknames Greg thanks. Shoot Judge Give me a dame humored gotta be a good one I was thinking that like. Damon. And then. I almost interrupted you and then I was to say like, hey, member when Johnny Damon said he had a rocket for an arm. Got An injury and that's why throws fucking Dickhead. Like. That's way too far off tangent. Really. Not The going so just so you just so you his book wasn't it yeah? Yeah usually I was a specimen in high school and college cannon arm. Wouldn't catch in the finals and I ran to the wall afterwards. So I fucked my throwing arm. Yeah. He didn't come out very well no no, it didn't. It did give you the reasons start calling yourself specimen greg of heard. You say that about yourself many many times, it's not true. Any I think you're specimen. Both, specimens. In, one way or another right it's a pretty open ended term it is. That's why I used it. You're both definitely human. For the most part. Steve's like science experiments specimen if you combined like a homeless person and A mentally challenged infant. Bold come dude. Beer. Beer was almost. Have like the idea ideas? Mentally challenged infant. Bright. What's you know? If, I would have been better by time thing if something. Is Whatever. How improv worked. As. Steve He'd shoveled. So. Amateur Smart. All. Set about Ukraine about all of us. Easy ones. Even go hydrocare nothing. I'm just glad my girlfriend saw greg beer because now she knows it could be worse. I've got up a notch. But the thing about that is it's the same thing with setting expectations low right of. That I don't have a beard I look like amazing. In. Comparison. Yeah. Exactly and it's all about comparison right? If I just never had one. Just kind of looks like a dump still. But the fact that I went from like super, Dombi Dom. Now Dump has been bumped up to like he's pretty good. Now you're dumpster to just dunk. It's all about setting expectations you gotta go down you got to crab legs to make an online. Yeah. Yeah. That's why my first few. Valentines days with my wife were horrendous of at the beginning of our relationship. What did you do I? Don't even remember they weren't good. What do you do now? Let's Valentine Great. Day. I, Hate Valentine's Day not a huge fan. Steve comment. Again, I don't know what this is. You'll find out. The Barlow Boys. Tonight's existence. Speaking of Dr Defense. Jesus. So. After defensive. So. Speaking. Of Improv I have no idea I don't know where it came from. But I was thinking. That we should write. A book. But then I thought we're not that smart which one of us is called. Right. Yeah. That's reiterate this children's book ask. A lot of. pitchers. Nego that way or the opposite and make an adult book. I, at the thing that popped into my mind was growing term remember and I feel like we could put one of those together. But. We also are not very. Adept in the bedroom. So might come off as like even better. It's like forty year old virgin what he's like. An mean part of it's already been written from Greg talking about how he would do the. Tyler dance afterward. Exactly. That's not getting anybody horned up. On brand though I think okay I tell you have. You read a talking to remember that. PODCAST. Fire. It doesn't have to be sexy is what I'm saying I'm fat. What does it take to get a book published because I'm down. You could self publish. Yeah. But I I think we can do is we should all the only they only print it when someone buys it off Amazon. You can. You can do a kindle book for basically free. But I wanted to in my hands. Enough trouble. Just came every week on your resume that you're a published author. Just don't I ain't putting anything bottles. Exactly. Some looking up the listen to this. At Bet, there's another greg found that wrote a book watch this Greg Brown off. That's good thing about having a common last name tell. About it dude I just said put Greg author and I had seven results. So. Anyone ever. nope. They're not gonNA. Believe this guy. SORT. Of First One. It's a black eye writing about the Bible. I see Brown the American Christian author radio broadcaster and former seminary professor. I have angered Brown born nineteen fifty five in London is an English journalist writer and editor at my work Skyros Downing Staff of the independent Joseph Trusting God's sovereignty and goodness the Bible Teachers Good Book Twenty. Two. Yes Oh I can relate to this guy's books with this podcast. What was I thinking? The endless freedom ooh, when you're rope breaks. The good is not enough. Win Over? Mister Nice Guy. Reese free sentence. Seventy dollars. Oh My. Turn, sid skyrocketing all of these. This is all background. Are Steve Bratt Bro. Jesus Christ. It's awesome. Andrew Brown row watching the detectives the Darwin. Wars in the beginning was the worm. Vision. Anatolia, and that was the church that was I think. Now wins this. What does he look like Steve? Could you like in a pinch? Passer uses fake? You know he's a real did. Younger. The I found I found my guy. Belfast Maine. Bob My age. wrote some generic fucking bullshit he looks like hair hide the pain Herald. You know that? Yes that'd be. Okay rules. Are you see pictures of them Steve, I found the page. A, picture of him with a podcast Mike we got going on right now. It is a radio. He is Ashville North Carolina. Ashville. Stephen with a P.. H.. Steve Bannon actual. Christian name as you know. The host and the talk show Steve Brown, etc. Saw your brown NPR. He Stephen with a P.. H. Steven Webb Brown. Damn Steve. All right. So we have to write. These, earlier. Is a religious books. Yeah Super religious no more tonight's guy. Is. Good is not good enough. Over this is perfect and list free. I am one of the three cents. Just be. Gluttonous. On. I'm going to buy this because what we're GonNa do is when use this as a jumping off point? We're going to write our own three reasons. But based on. A Patriots adult novel. Okay. Three free sense. Erotic novel. Abou- Patriots Fan Fiction. So we wished up the game for free cents. To change the title slightly because we can't have another three free by Steve Brown. Oh Oh. It's even better. The full title three Free Sins God's not at you. Off another two separate books no, it's the thing. But Oh, my office the. This Amazon Review not sure why you picked three and it. Doesn't really explain that either. Ask South Sixty. Four. Doesn't Eddie sets. Man. All Dude, this is a Joe loss team book. No. Oh, Steve. Trouble. So. To do that title or do we do. What was I thinking about this? This guy is way more successful on podcast and radio that we are. Currently heard on six hundred outlets Stephen. Everybody's more successful than. US. Dude angry. With GonNa get him on a pot, we should get. That could be dangerous. Not. Is, a pastor in Quincy. And even to us. Dan Dude I wonder if. Perfect, which part of that whole thing that went down. Looking. To. Get Him on the phone. would. Not that that is not offensive because that actually happened. Yes. They were fucking little kids for years. We make. Fun of her that. I don't WanNa live in this country. We'll know if he did it though. We're allowed to ask religious people how they feel about. Cuts, yeah? We'll. We'll cut this park. I just want to say for the record I think religion is good in that it forms communities at all. Use a higher moral standing. But, I also think rummage it is bad because it ends up with kids getting diddled. Yeah. I think people use Religions Shield to be an asshole sometimes. Agreed. All right. Sounds got here but. On that note, I think this is the perfect time to say. If, you'd like to share your thoughts with US Sean, how we're doing on our podcast. You can go to rate this podcast dot com slash pats pod. Well. How many? How many fifty shades of Grey Today Ray So, three of those. Kids. Yeah the. Black. thinking, we could do like one of us reads fifty shades. One of US reads. The other one that we melva together for the Fan Fitch is that's what we're doing. We're we're combining genres right I. Mean I was going to read a Gronk and traveling just for pleasure again. Because I've forgotten again. Read. Jesus Christ. The second one is bizarre. I. Think we'll have to do a second one is bizarre. So he said, yeah it's worse than the to. Yeah. But I think we'll have to. Be Honest with me. Did it make you warning. Not. Any point any. Little. Bit. It was too weird. I don't know. Weird Shit they already before. That's not in this podcast just. Another rabbit. Off. Please explain. It's It's just human being Newman's. I Keep I love. You Andy. Keep it on my coffee table just so we're people out. I got you each. One of the two books of course. Yeah. I never the second one really read. So that's tough. Yeah. I'll find the audiobook I'll read it to you. But I. Yeah. I think we should do a book club where we review those box. Okay. It's well worth it the. Will Be. So. Again, if you have thoughts on this podcast. Rate this bar guest dot com slash. Pat. Spot. ooh, I got. A bit of. Breaking news guys there's one nine cam new and no. Yeah I've been with Cam a Cam Newton Aerobic. Romance. Now. Oh. Yes. Look at this time. What's the title again? Gavin Will Cam Daven with Kim. Looking Guy in the cover, they just felt like a red and black guy. Cam Newton. Why. Can't. Be. To share your screen less. Google data camp. So look inside I want to look inside. He's. Talking Free On kindle Into a limited. it's two hundred nine to buy it. Don't minutes worth it. Sure. Is Just You're. Just a guy doesn't black guy he does sort of not even really looks Cam. So here's what we're to need to do is we're going to each one of us has to read one of the books because it is. The same author. And Book, Club Y'all read. The side is different. It's all the same thing. All right. So. Do we start with the term member? Do we start with I've already read the groggy and so let's start with the or you had. Did you read the second one where we're past ground CROCK is over? I don't WanNa get drunk. You might. Out Jude Groggy to remember to Chad goes deep in the neutral zone. I don't like it already. Oh. You have no idea how much you can we do a horny meter while we're reading it? I could probably put them together. Sure. Say how hard is it in terms of Lombardi's one six somebody Abon Rama. All. Right. So next week. We haven't scared of literally everybody at this point patriots are. Back home. Against Mother, NFC North Foe. Your Minnesota Vikings Purple People Eaters, and I have nothing to say about this game. Basic already I know I know nothing about or they played I started reading Cam folks the Minnesota Vikings. Vikings. Okay. Yes. So we will see them. Next week and we'll see you next week while we were here. You will hear US next week. Now's a really great transition. You like that now it wasn't even a transition. Or was it. A stumbling on your words All right. So you'll hear me and Steve next week is Greg might not be back. He's been such a Dick. ooh. You you. You reap what you sow andy next week we might have guest actually so. On a better. I don't want to spoil it because I don't know if for sure yet but. We should have gas next week. Not quite sure who executives Dagan read the bus. No right within the book for next week. No, that's GONNA be a special episode Steve. To read the whole thing. It's like a fifty page fake all. Pure terror. It's lightning out here. I'm scared. Oh. I heard that. Damn Dude. Can we get a live review this thunderstorm? Could but not as good as two days ago. How many Lombardi's? Three and a half you should. Also thinking. This is probably punishment for me fucking Shit on Steve Brown. was. Scheduled is on fire will on the why? Join US next week to find out if. A lot of cliffhangers. Today is Steve's alive. Yeah. If Steve House burned down or has been smited by the Almighty Lord if Greg's back if we have a guest. and. How the Patriots Viking Games go. And we'll see if my company realizes I was googling erotic fiction NFL on my company computer which. dammit. Kelly's computer this stuff. All, right. Join US next week on the pages you park. Yeah.

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People and Private Eye

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People and Private Eye

"Hello and welcome to the stack. This week we'll talk about. I titus with impressive circulations and a testimony to the power of print. I speak with dan. Wakeford editor in chief of people magazine. One of the best selling magazines in the united states also speak with private is arden mcqueen on his new book celebrating sixty years of the publication. Enjoy the show from italy housing london. This is the stack. Thirty minutes of print industry allies and i am fair. Share to start the show. A magazine have been reading on and off. Since i was a kid people magazine. It still remains one of the most successful titles. There are with warping three million plus subscribers in the united states. What's the secret of its success for that. And what makes a covert successful. I had the pleasure to speak to people's editor in chief. Dan wakeford i beano people for seven years and i was deputy editor to begin with and i was overseeing a half of the content for the brand off. The bryant is celebrity and entertainment and the other half of the brand is human interest in news dumb a lot of work in the celebrity world with my career and so i loved off spending four or five years overseeing all of the crime the human interest and the politics content and the royals content as well and so from the dan. I have become the edge chief in the last nearly two and a half years up in translation. it's been an amazing thrilling ride. And it's quite interesting that you were in your british in in your the editor of such american magazine. I think honestly perhaps one of the most recognized magazines over there. How did you find out about knowing a bit. More about american sensibilities while the american market is interested. Because i'm sure they're quite a lot of differences between us in the uk and while they went to read or not. I came over here. Nineteen years ago and i previously worked heat magazine in europe which was really the center of the zeitgeist at that time and coming to america walls. A bit of a shock. How different speed. Were i think the entertainment i think the subject matter isn't that much different. I grew up with an american culture like mercan cultures global to these many ways. But i think it's the sensibilities of the raiders that you have to adapt to very quickly. America was based on a much. More of a puritan idea and so there is a lot more conservative us. And there's a motivation from. I think from what the region actually wants version europe. It's a lot more shocking shocking scandal. And how you shape story and and the net story proposition around what the readers wanted then. Sometimes there's a lot more government bodies who interfering the journalism ours in america. We have the freedom of the press. But what you choose see friends and direction magazines very much for some readers. And that's what i love about. Magazines is really delivering unique propositions readers and what's fascinating. I was reading a ball circulation numbers of people. It's incredibly high on interest. Because at some point people were saying all people are not interested in buying kind of bring tied to talking about celebrities or human interest. I mean that's clearly ally is looking at the success of people women and of course your present online you have all sorts of other media channels but i think tell me about the importance of print Tells beatable the numbers as well. Because i'm people might be surprised to though there is doing credit behind. I mean to be honest with you. We don't consider like ourselves one thing with people. We consider a path fall if one hundred eighteen million consumers amount like the brand is so powerful that we've we've many different channels. We don't see us as magazine. Podcast a website. Tv show any of these things. We see people as distribution system in a way we have a huge scale in every channel and so we don't have the issues in the challenges but many magazines have we're launching new products and it it'd be the center of another brand universe for is just another element but print is still so incredibly relevant and really still is anchor over brand because it's the prestige of getting a cover people that celebrities wants to be on the cover of the people. Five million people see each issue of the magazine. We have such a trust with the readers and the subject matter that it's such a powerful combination. We spend so much time and rigor to the journalism with entertainment journalism. Sometimes you think it's just fun and easy but the amount of effort and the brilliant journalists that we have on our teams working on this that it really doesn't bring about that trust so it means that if i knock on the door of the biggest movie star in the world or somebody a regular fighters got an inspiring story to. It's very very often. But they will held the story and and sit down with me because of the trust that we've gained over the forty seven years Business and there's a certain level of prestige while to be on the cover of people magazine that may be celebrities. Wouldn't have on their own kind of social media space. I think they're still still has a certain cochet right. Oh it it definitely does. You'll the most talked about person in america. If you'll of people magazine and with social media is definitely one of our biggest competitors the idea the stock put themselves in the senator their social media and speak to that fans but this speaking to the convert speaking to the quiet speaking to the people who knows the morality with people. You're introducing yourself to one hundred eighteen million consumers who might not know you know so. There's an hearty because we are journalistic and there is a record that and there is an outside body in authority saying that. This person has unions is interesting and their story is relevant in capitalizing and dan one thing that i'm always curious about the kover you know. I always had the impression i mean the the pasta remember. There was a time that went. jennifer aniston. was the kover magazines used to sell very well. Including of course people is to the case. Is they're kind of name. That if you put it on the cover you know it's going to sell out you know it's going to do well or are things a little bit different these days. Well as soon as ions that question the person would stop the puzzle sailing. So i probably shouldn't answer it. But since you'll say nice fernando. I will it's not as straightforward as jennifer aniston. Still sells very. Well there are many different factors that make somebody sell well. And i have too many of them up. We have with three million subscribers and some of them like completely different things to what the new stand people and so there is. There are many different factors. What makes somebody interesting. My philosophy is sometimes that the story is bigger than the staw. If it's something that is relatable to you as a readout or something give a primal fear about that really helps. The connection to what will saleh story does go to be an element of surprise but then really at the heart of that. You really do have to like the person you had want to buy into this person's world if you're buying a magazine cover the knees stand and so the people who do very well. There's one one section sector people in my in recent years have done right well and i think they are aspirational people in the lifestyle space people. You may not even knew the napier's from hdtv or chip and joanna from the magnolia network. These couples in invoked involved in the renovation world but also have very relatable families by relatable struggles and these are people who you really want to buy into that world narrow static and and learn something from then also in the idea of possibly in more than either projection volumes. Still do very well. Voyles a much more popular in america even inside the in the uk. Think that's because americans have been brought up on disney and there's a fairytale fantasy so the idea of projection and looking at what somebody in that fairytale live from what is going on with them. And then also add into that the drama around the world in recent years that it makes him very compelling encapsulates cover subjects. I mean you. You even have a special edition royals rights. I mean so popular during lockdown. We launched a new special issue which is absolutely beautiful. It is on the best paper you can get out there. And it's a courtly product. Somebody have access to many royals and we really. Deep dive is a niche publication on people who really loved the voyles and it really has amazing magazine craft game for tation interaction and also this beautiful deep photography really amazing storytelling and we get really close to the subject matter. I lived a tongue in cheek. News of certain editions like the sexiest man alive. I mean it it. It became such a coach topic goofing. I've even the actors they love when they're there. I think that's definitely one of my favorite issues of the year. I mean i think that is brandon itself sexiest now. I is such a privilege to be the person who ultimately choosing sexiest man alive but it is also the bane of my life. I get celebrities. Message me on instagram. Asking to be the sexiest man alive. We get publicist pitching at all of the time and there are many many different factors that bearing john i think in recent years of really tried to focus on like what is in designing guys wall to people respond to per character traits at the moment and trying to find people who are forced for good during the last two years of my ship. Brady wants focused. The brand on being forced with good so sexiest man alive does bring about a law firm on escapism. But i really think during a crisis shows sort of your brands. Nobody wanted to make sure that the brand is focusing on doing good in the wild. And we do that by choosing people who do get an amplifying their stories but who. We've had very successful campaigns for mental have will. Let's talk about a campaign where we get celebrities to talk about them and health and a much recently a big campaign for getting vaccinated and leveraging powerful figures up encouraging proclamation. Doing good is also sexy. Shut interesting thing than in the. Us is such a big vast country. And you mentioned that you have lot of subscribers is that were the majority of people magazine send too. Because i still think here in europe you know. People go to the newsstand but if in the west is completely different story. I'm sure you can find it in a supermarket or a bookshop bookstore. Subscriptions is massively multi right. Yes it's three million subscribers and with the second most expensive subscription in the world's second today economists and so it's it's an expensive subscription but it's a quality subscription. That's worth that. And then i think the news is probably about ten percent of that figure side. There are many different things to weigh up. I've actually been looking at different models lately in the last summer to a lot of success of having actually to the new stunned quite often. So you'll have to six page stories in the magazine and i would do different stories. One to subscribe canoes fan or of combination for newsstand. Because the idea that you have different odeon segments on the newsstand whether that's crime lovers whether that's royal lovers celebrity fans or different news stories. We've worked many different ways experimenting with great working for a company to really encourage experimentation. Though 'cause my final question would be like what are your plans for for people in general for this year next to nothing. That's that's one of them. Perhaps is i mean we. We're launching so many new exciting products in the digital arena in the tv arena. We've leveraged the brand with many different. Utd shows this month. We have a new tv show on discovery and discovery plus magnolia the children. Nine eleven with many documentaries coming back out. We've got some amazing new digital products. New podcasts mean. I think generally broadly really always trying to strengthen the focus on stories you conga anywhere else is a great privilege. Helming bramlett people where i can get accessed to people. They trust me so it's always trying to think about finding a story that isn't going to be told anywhere else i can tell and i'm trusted to tell and that does why i'm here for town stories. I go into journalism to tell stories and this job is one of the best in the world stood up. You're very right to meet. People is the kind of magazine that you guys speculate things you you go directly to the source right so whoever has something to tell you know they will go down the covert of people here. We spent so much time on a lot of a lot of energy a lot of journalism. Making sure that we arrive at bribes. We'd like to be. I knew on that online. I a digital team. Absolutely amazing but we're what is more a being correct vast. Dan wakeford editor in chief of people magazine moving on to another iconic title private. I disappear cool. British publication is very much a success in the new stand. It circulation keeps rising to celebrate. Private is sixty years other mcqueen. Who worked to the title. Since the beginning of the blair years decided to launch a book private. I the sixty yearbook. The book is in fact. Private ice stake on everything that happened between nineteen sixty one and twenty twenty one monocle twenty four head of radio tom edwards also. A big fan of the title spoke to adan about the book. Adam thank you so much for being with us. It's great to chat to you particularly about the the sixty year but pri- pretty amazing sixty years. I six decades of jokes and journalism has. The book is subtitled. I was going to start off with your personal story though because you began there. I think what in this sort of late nineties is that right as tomorrow. Late september nineteen ninety-seven which is really all talk for private. Because there's this thing run ranieri well when you have horrendously unpopular government so they were very very lucky when launched in nineteen sixty one. You're kind of get into the again. That kind of postwar consensus and harold macmillan and he ends up after the perfumo scandal handing over to the fourteenth of hugh. You don't get kinda more establishment than that and there was this real. Appetite for cassandra the and taking the mickey out of them which the product surf that way and then this thing happened my sixty four. Where our wilson canaan labor government by pretty much a landslide and everyone went. Well hang out with them as well and almost the same thing was happening in nineteen ninety seven. This is really really hard to believe because everyone across low seems to be that. Tony blair is the devil incarnate. The worst thing that ever happened politics but at that point he was incredibly popular. One by massive lamb slaughtered. Made i get and you can actually see if you look at the is circulation across the readership. Just drops off at that point. He was at one of its lowest points. Because there's this strange to the honeymoon period. Where when no one wants to hear anything. Bad about is groovy exciting. New government who've come in and replace joe maters incredibly corrupt Conservatives that and there was this really odd period up until i think it was december that year when the first kind of big new labor scandal k. max. Which if you meant was about bernie eccleston the boss of formula one making a million times donations labor at the same time that they dropped They talked about a plan ban on tobacco advertising formula one and that was kind of a big scandal. And that's not gonna wake up and said okay. Yeah no actually. Maybe there is a role in this. But i was set timber joins which was a very attempt to the because it was during that honeymoon period blah and also just after the death of princess diana us a which the is coverage. It's hot again. It's quite hard to look back at this and see see it not in the concepts now was deemed sell offensive at the time that it was being pulled off shelves bombed from salem news agents as well so it was interesting to come in certainly and i. I can't imagine that you would have thought were getting on for. Don't be mean but getting on for a quarter of a century later you'd still be there now. Putting together a treasury of some of the is best bits the did you have a feeling that you belonged immediately right in those in those early days. Remember my very sorry survey. I literally right on work experience. And i was in for a week. And it was in his then Secretary yeah he was a hillary eleven. Just she's retired now but she let you might my journalistic training in total consistent showing twenty office and saying that's computer. That's an injury and that's your phone. Okay uneven me too. And i think it was kind of journalism three panic. I was just so terrified. I sat down and started calling people and researching stories and ended up writing ten stories. I think three of which got magazine. None of which particularly summed up to scrutiny maritz. Scott garrison look back on them. But yeah i i loved it. It was a fantastic place to be one of the nicest things under the moment. We will be working home. See philosophy mounts because the pandemic but might seats in the office Which i've held onto since those days. He's right next to what we can joke rising rim which is in his office and in various combinations of people. Like in a nick. Newman it richard. Ingram's and christopher booker barry found saudi. The guys who'd been there right from the beginning now people like dolls pill brown spots all coming in that undoubtedly these communal joke writing sessions. And he's such a pleasure when you're next door bashing an investigative please song on some politician who's been doing something naughty. Just hey the gales of lofton come back because the the writings done basically as a competition to see who could make trouble off the most and try and try and talk each other's loss each time so that makes a really nice atmosphere to be working in. Well i was gonna ask about this sort of strange alchemy of the i because our listeners and we have listened all around the world many of them are familiar with the i in any case but for the uninitiated just give more context there because people may think that they familiar with the satire. The spoofs many of which would be running for you know well five decades or so now but there is that real hefty. Talk about writing the exposes. This corruption exposed misdeeds revealed in public office and private miscarriages of justice righted. Often that takes a very very long time but it is a strange mix is nature of the as you say gales of laughter and then the profoundly serious almost at once. It is a really really weird mix. I always think it's kind of organically those sixty s if you try to pitch this to a publishing company if you said So it's gonna be a magazine it's gonna do some serious investigative staff. It's going to expose a lot of government corruption and tax avoidance. And that sort of thing. There's gonna be some pages in the back. That are devoted campaigning. For miscarriages of justice sometimes for decades a time that might really really difficult reading people who've been wrongly convicted of mud or people dying in horrible conditions in prisons or in cavs on on properly looks after an end in the middle. That's going to be several pages of jokes some of which are gonna be so tasteless that you'll regularly get regis counseling. Subscriptions and then cartoons liberally scattered over the whole same. Any publisher watt. That's like four or five different and that's even before you get onto the specialist columnists like so hammond. Md who's been doing some absolutely superlative coverage of the renovator crosses the mishandling of that in in the department of house. We've go agri-business very very insightful. column farming. We've got another one by next on trains running not states the railways. He's been married since they are the railways but mattie privatized in the uk in the nineteen nineties at architecture correspondent as well who who doesn't tend to rise that beautiful new buildings terrible new buildings and an old buildings not being looked oft mad. Max everything everything but he does somehow work. I think one of the reasons it works is the the different bits of it kind of level. I teach other because i think if you just got a solid diet as the source of corruption and bribery ineptitude of government and the the revolving door between Big business and an and the service and stuff and the miscarriage suggested it would be a really really depressing reach so you really need those jokes in the middle to under some when your blood pressure rises too high with angry or you need something to of calm you and a may laugh at the state of the world as well said so. That works really really well. I always remember who was. Kind of diana's best journalists are really really important. Probably the first. I four decades least. He was used to say that He knew and he was absolutely fine with his stuff. At the back. The miscarriages of justice stuff that don't read about two weeks off to the rest of it on the toilets because people tend to jokes. I had read them but you know he knew that that was a way to get an audience to the slightly more difficult stuff that really really needed to know about was to smuggle it in. That was jokes. And i get the audience that it needed. You've mentioned you've reeled off so many of these stellar names already mentioned import foot there. But you've got peter kirk richard ingram's craig brown in his of course still the editorial masters of their craft and cartoonists as well heath rushton scoff. Nick newman who's on this. He's been on this program. How did you pick and choose when you sort of. Tasked with curated from such a trove. Where do you start. Am i guess you just have to kind of go with your favorites. Saudi do it so i was lucky. I essentially pitch. this book. said it's not going to be the best depri- because that would just be mind-blowing you difficult to do. I said he's going to be the history of the lost sixty years as seen three pages of progress on my working title was don't don't as seen by private not pitch that you know. It will ask the by product. I be the moon landings seen by private mrs thatcher by private art and that was literally we did it. I went through a year by year. And i had a list of all of the big stories that i needed to hit in that year and the nature of that is that you do end up with something that is expected your best department. Because if you're going to do mrs thatcher you're going to do the dear bill letters which ran in private the letter supposedly from denny's thatcher her husband's to he's golfing bill throughout her reign You're going to have mrs wolfson starry. Which was the first kinda spooks when our lives in dining straight. You're gonna have lots of the famous bubble covers which probably the thing that the private is. Best known for and inevitably. You're going to end up. Having some of those amazing cartoonists things that you named like gerald scarfing row stem and an newman and ken pawn. They're all going to end up in arizona. So it kind of becomes thing but it is it is it starts off as being a kind of alternative history of those of those lost sixty years and the amazing thing was in was very making. It should reflect both sides of the magazines. I for every year. We have not only how we cover the big stories elsewhere but the big stories that was breaking those years as well and he's amazing. How many of those who stood the test atop right back to nine hundred sixty four when you mentioned him are pryatta than pizza. Cook guest edited edition when richard ingrams sudan at. It was on holiday and just decided to name the kray twins who what these gangsters who were terrorizing london time and they think. Come talk to that in hush tones in various news type. Things never brought to justice. Point and peach cassettes og just going to name them. I'm gonna put that names in In pry and he did so and then he went on holiday next week And let richard comeback and take any repercussions that might have been coming coming by instead of publishing. He just said published and be absent. Which i think is quite a good policy. Very wise words in date actually. Yeah and then what about bringing things right to speed the last couple of years. You already mentioned the work that your md columnists Phil hammond has been doing. But what it meant for as as as an entity you've talked about some of the presumably the challenge. I guess a little bit of replicating the nuance the fun of the office working remotely. But what's done. it's interesting to reflect on your readership. It continues to go up and up and up and it's to the print magazine as well. It's it's has a limited presence online as the podcast as well but it remains the print. Products is absolutely the has primacy in this sort of pry environment. What's that process being. It must be extraordinary to reflect on the enduring appeal of the total even in the straight loss. Eighteen months or so. There's a cartoon from some of the late. Nine hundred ninety seven ninety eight which went in the and it's a newspaper office in the at random israel conference and The person represents the the internet's out of news type of the website. Saying congratulations guys. We've just come our own biggest competitor. And actually i think on serious companies. What ian sussed out really early he just if you stop putting up everything on the internet for free which is which was the policy at newspapers in the nineteen ninety s. Why on earth would people carry on buying the magazine and so we just carried on in our own doors. They'll fashion bikes giving away. Hardly anything online. We've done the podcast we've done. We had high tech things. richard brooks. Who is one of our financial and correspondence put together. This amazing interactive map of all properties in britain which are owned offshore through through various dodgy and dubious companies. You know you can put your postcode in there and you can zoom in and you can see exactly who owns that land up. The streets which actually turns out isn't up. Your street is in the british virgin islands with somebody so where technology is kinda helps us tell stories that we won't tell we haven't we haven't shied away from using that. Yeah as you say. It is still this Produced looking saying or not very good quality paper. The incomes off on your hands. It's this very very thing. I think we just do appreciate fats. They liked particularly. I think in eighteen months most of us who've been condemned to working from home and most of all days staring at a screen and having conversations with people on the street and actually something buddies is incompatible. I think a relief of the end of that day. She has got some great cartoons in it but technologically. The i went forward. I mean we were the only place probably for the last thirty years before twenty twenty. That was still being put together with moving. Bits of paper around on a large table in all production studio. That was the way we did it. It used to be the case that the page she stuck with cow gum on please call. This is when i started in the late nonsense. They loaded up onto the back of the moped and taken off to an offset. Likes a printer somewhere east at which is not the way that anyone else would be doing it years and years and i think the only only reason the i f stop doing that was because the cow gum that they using was banned buddy you because it was costing genetic so it was particularly but you know technological progress reasons but then suddenly in march twenty twenty. We had to switch over to doing everything remotely everything online. And the i seventy progressed about two. If not three decades technologically within the space that night and all of us certainly the taxes because elsa journalists were sitting at home waiting to see if anything but actually emerge at the other end on the magazine came out looking exactly the same. It's always which is down to the brilliant technical production side which is headed up by By people like glenn and tristan davis they didn't absolutely incredible shop. There was one story in that sense addition that went in twice but it was really good story. I anton smith so So we were really so good. You ran it twice. An- is there in what you've just said they're clue as to the enduring power and potential of private is we look. I don't know the decades ahead. Maybe six more money or more even than that of them. Not just for the enduring appeal of great satire. An you know clever writers and writers also who hell bent on exposing the kinds of miscarriages of justice and misdeeds in public office that we talked about but also of this unashamedly kind of traditional approach to journalism gathering in news-making and and i don't use the term traditional pejoratively as many do because it is it is it's unashamedly old-fashioned and there's something rather nice about that. Isn't there an editor who's unafraid. To wield a red pen in in the current market. Where we're there's often a glut of information and digital channels where everybody has a voice something that is rigorously edited and put together in a in an unashamedly old-fashioned way surely is going to be crucial in the years ahead. I think i think we've ended up filling in as well as the surprise is kindness innovated and and started itself. I think we ended up filling in the gaps that there isn't spadeful elsewhere in the media. So i was like a lot stuff. We're doing these kind of proper analysis of the news of the last fortnight. An really looking into such institution but the story behind the stories sort of thing. But the sunday's used to bake in-depth stuff. But i'm always amazed when something huge like say recently. The report that was done by the bbc into high high martin bashir got that princess diana prince you panorama cool century ago story and rolling news. And who's going to resign news now very little people very few people elsewhere in the media seem to have actually read through and analyzed. Exactly what was in who was responsible for what back in the nineteen ninety and And actually done the kind of solid reporting the that used to be done because everything is always about breaking headlines and moving onto the next thing so so. There's this kind of gap soaked up for the. I used to do a bit thighs. Well but the thing that really gives me hope for hopefully the next six decades. So i hope. I'm not lafley under twentieth anniversary. That will be quite weird. But it's it's that younger generation coming through so i literally. I had a story sent in by a freelancer this week and it was incredibly good story. It was really really good spot. And he's he's sort of early twenties an awful lot of people who come through journalism. School that i think he. I just want to write opinion. Columns i want the you know. I want to be a blogger. I be the next jones or something like that. This is actual solely reporting. He put in some freedom information requests. He'd found some stuff out. People just know he made the connection that was about the the is written about north lot of years pitched it to us and he rents it perfectly in that style and again today. I've just think talking to zoo brockman. Who's one of alcohol tunics. Now the oldest. Tunis's someone like edna. Talk line or michael. He's who in snacks. Still during just a putatively and insecurity and brilliant as ever zoom brought one is twenty one. I discovered today. I mean he's he. He's child practically and he's coming through doing absolutely brilliant silly cartoons and really quite hard hitting costumes. He did one company. Go off to the grenfell. Fire of The house of commons With with cladding on it seems you would never say cheap clouding up is comments. Because they've been looking off himself instead. That's what really gives me. Oh there was a whole new generation coming through Who you would think would never bother to pick up. This disliked groti paper magazine. Because they'd be too busy looking stuff on on on ticks phones instead but they they get it as well. We keep recruiting the people who become angry. Old men you counsel less subscriptions of the future well more power to you and more more repeats of that process. That's what we want adam. pry sixty yearbooks decades of jokes and journalism. It's out this very week. Am i right in saying that is yes officially published second september but in august bookshops. That there was other mcqueen there. His book private eye. The sixty year book is out now and of course the amazing titles available in all the good news stands in the uk for more private. I stay tuned for next week stack where we will speak with phil hammond who covert covert like. No one else for the taito. Well that's it for this week's show my thanks to our editor a hole and if you have any comments queries few free to write to me fernand at sbn monaco dot com and remember. We're back next saturday at the same time. And of course you can always listen to it again and monocle dot com and subscribe to it and apple podcasts. And spotify before. Go little song for you daryl hall and joel notes with private ice. You've been listening to the stack. I'm fading then. It was the by schickel into next time. It's goodbye from me.

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2001 Week 5: Patriots vs Chargers

Patriots Dynasty Podcast

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2001 Week 5: Patriots vs Chargers

"This is Christine Brown. And while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty. You have the choice. Not My sons and of course Michael sometimes say some naughty things trying to be funny but really just being stupid. You still want to listen. Go RIGHT AHEAD. I am not your mother all right. Let's let's kick this off. Welcome to the Hatreds Dynasty. Podcast this episode five. I think right where week. Five two thousand one season. He was a little murky. I mean we may or may not have recorded a few test run so I don't know you're the boss. Yeah no I'm I'm completely lost as well and who knows how this is going to actually end up but Yeah we'LL CALL FOR NOW. Tentatively will penciled as episode five and obviously with me again today is Mr Mellow Mike how you doing. I'm doing pretty well. How are you doing good? Oh I'm living. The dream is always sitting here. My bedroom talking to you about two thousand one patriots season as you do full time for the most part yes. That's beautiful I got socks on today. It's cold here. It's officially winter New England and it is twenty seven degrees at the moment. Ooh I was GonNa say I think it's probably like sixty eight. Ooh You'll probably the bundled up as I am out You know I've got a nice button up for you. Got The heat on. I don't actually know now. You have the the the wildfires are probably keeping you warm. They are loving. Okay just kidding damage already. Getting things are fantastic. Then I was thinking about it and I don't say it enough. It is a pleasure to be here with. Yeah I look forward to do in these every week but yeah it is just the two of us again. The brothers are off gallivanting as always so. I prefer frolicking. You can prefer whatever you'd like you. Hey great number responded to my birthday wish from last week so now next time. He's all after. Give them a bunch of shift. Yeah I'm annoyed all right so speaking of annoying coming into town this week week. Five on season where the at the time San Diego chargers which they no longer are rest in peace there could be the London chargers at some point. That's true. Yeah Yeah who. Who Do you think like a quick sidebar? Top Top? Three possibilities are to move to London. Well Franchises I've given this No thought whatsoever. So yeah me neither. I just came up with this rain. So don't take anything I say as anything other than what I'm saying Gospel. It's it's on recording so it's Gospel now we're GONNA hold it well. I think I was thinking about this a lot recently. Not about the lemon thing but just in general okay we have multiple teams in California fine. Whatever true optical teams in New York multiple teams at Florida made sense Texas? Why why Ohio not? Isn't that kind of the birthplace isn't a hall of fame in Ohio to Cabot? Db Two two teams in that area. Dini one team in that area. Well that's what I'm saying. I mean I like it. So you'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA move the browns again. Move the Bengals yes. Everyone goes to which one goes to England which one goes to. I'll say poetry. That's that's what your family's from. Yeah I like the plant. I think that's problematic. But yeah all right. Yeah that too and freedom such oh yeah yeah. I think I feel like the I feel like London deserves the browns. They make it us a little bit of drama but nothing too happy. Nothing too exciting. Yeah I mean this is a country where it rains. Eighty percent of the time so they do enjoy themselves. Misery Yea This is also a country that invented the game of soccer and has won the World Cup since nineteen sixty six so I think the browns would be a fitting franchise for them. But the bengals aren't much better. I mean they've never wanted us right well if we ship them to. Porto. Let's say as does he said my my people from the same mother mother. Whatever I'm trying to say is the bengals would be perfect for the Portuguese because guess what the Portuguese don't Watch football. They don't give a damn. It would be perfect for the bengals. It went kissed. Pretty much status quo. Yeah not not much change yeah. You're you're onboard your thoughts on this. Yeah well I mean. My initial thought was Force DAN SNYDER TO TO SELL. The redskins is changing to the London. The Washington Red Coats. It still works out like just ship them over problem solved and you have to change the logo slightly. But I think you could. You could just make the guy in the helmet Paler okay and it would probably still work all right so yeah give them a little top hat or something. I don't know though. These are not bad ideas if you could get on this tweet. Whoever needs to be tweeted it would be. Yeah if somebody can get in contact with Roger Goodell Our our DM's are always open. He can hit us up. And we'll we'll sell these ideas for small money. I don't know if you know. But he's currently meeting with Antonio Brown. I believe. Oh that was today yes. I can't wait to see what comes out of that. Yeah so for all you listening to this in the future and this is old news and I still haven't heard what happening on your Brown. Please tweet at Mike Mellon although I guess is your twitter handle be leave. Millo ME LOAN. What was it? What was that was? Yeah I was going through stuff but it was meal. Oh in the middle but it was leave me alone right which I thought was super clever. Yeah now I'm I'm a big fan of plan I was. I was impressed with that one. But those are darker times. And we're here football. Yeah Better Sunny. You know warm immagination at least inside this conversation's beautiful. It is you know what else is beautiful. The New England patriots. Yes well. Let's let's talk about these charges speaking of warm all right fine So this was. I thought an interesting group of of players. In in general the head coach was Mike Riley who I had never heard of still never heard of I mean. It's not a name that I remember. I don't know about you. I not really doesn't not even a little bit. I thought picture of them like I looked them up. And everything not not a fucking clue. I think he may have coach Nebraska because he's wearing Nebraska stuff even on his like football like NFL like profile but good for him apparently coach NFL for three years. All with the The chargers from ninety nine to two thousand one eight and eight the first year one in fifteen the second year and five and eleven and he was never invited back at least the charges haven't done much better setting something that had a couple of good runs but yeah they have but every time they have a good run. They fired their coach. So I mean those laws the Marty Schottenheimer. Where did they go like fourteen and two? And you still got a rebel. Yeah so I mean. I'm sure we'll get to that at some point in this This podcast down the road. Because I think the Patriots had something to do with that I think so. Yeah but this. This chargers team led by the well renowned Mike Riley Actually started the season three zero before losing their game before this one to the Brown it was the three and one coming into this game and actually started the season. Five and two and ended at five and eleven. So what happened because you know? I'm not a charges fan. Thank God but like that's just the wheels fall in the fuck of it. That's very buffalo bills ask it felt right which made sense because there are some ties here to the buffalo bills. I think the biggest high would be their starting quarterback Doug flutie locks flutie. Yeah of it. If you if you didn't know before watching this game the announcers would beat it over the fucking head for you that he is from Massachusetts late at B. C. Get the fuck Outta here. Did you know that they did? You know that after the game I I did yeah it was nauseating it was it was the two thousand one version of Did you know this tight end played basketball in college? Sort of thing you know. Did you. Patrick Mahomes used to play shortstop war. It's funny that you brought up because I was actually thinking correct me. If I'm wrong is flutie the original Patrick Mahomes. Ooh I think so. Okay because he's all that they have. I mean they have had mobile quarterback before him. 'cause you're Randall Randall. Cunningham and Warren Moon that lot and Steve Young Steve Young may have been the first. Patrick mahomes fully sort. I'm saying that are all short. Yeah they're all short mobile Steve. He's not that big I don't I mean he he's not a Doug flutie short doug flutie's five nine. Yeah and that's what I'm getting at. That's why he can. Patrick mahomes way to go man. How tall is Patrick? Mahomes Steve Young six to see. It's taller than I am. So yeah he's he's my height which wow okay. I decided that I am the trumpy. By stating your height. Wonderful sorry well I mean you're not exactly I mean what are you six feet. Yeah well I think I'm like a quarter of an inch off whatever we'll call six feet tattle mine rounding up. I'm like six one in seventy eight so six two and you're six feet all right. Patrick what do you think? How do you think Patrick Mahomes is comparatively seems tall and Lanky? So I gotta take. He's like I want to say well. I think he's probably like sixty six three right. See that guy was built for this. I guess so what about and Tom Brady is actually six four so he's actually about Tom Brady size which I always felt like. He was much shorter interesting. Yeah Yeah Flutie. I don't know I mean I say that. Because he had a rocket arm he was. You know he's pretty good at scrambling running. Yeah now. I guess he didn't do the cross body stuff. I don't really know who does that. Other than maybe five. But yeah that's right. You know. I'm saying it right here. Doug flutie original Patrick Mahomes. Yeah there's a lot of structure right. Yeah and I think he was a bit before it's time for this. But he did. He did have a good year this year. Even though they went five and eleven Because the whole controversy like that's why I was bringing up the bills. Was THAT THE BILLS. Had Doug Flutie and whoever they went with Tod Collins. Maybe where the bills was rob Johnson. Data was yeah and it was one of those Even know what you call them anymore. Just the the Plethora of Awful Bills Quarterbacks Rob Johnson so so they had both of those in the prior year switching back and forth between them. And let's see have here Rob Johnson start eleven games went four and seven. Doug flutie started five games and went four and one. And it's funny because Tom Donna. Donahue I think was the bills jam at that time. And yes at that. They decided to get for salary. Cap reasons it can keep both of them. Or whatever Ratto picked Rob Johnson because he is more talented that as a yes. No one hundred percent correct in the base I think Rob Johnson struggled so the put flooding at the end of the year and he won as many games. Rob Johnson did in half as many starts right. Because that's kind of what flutie did he. It was never particularly pretty but he always found a way to do it and had that like a fourth quarter magic that the commentators in this game are gushing all over. What they yeah. 'cause there was even a thing in the Boston Globe talking about how basically the bills had made the wrong choice. Stickler Rob Johnson because he went in two thousand one because you the the charges who were one fifteen the year before got flutie and started off the season five and two and Rob Johnson on the other hand started the season and one in seven before he was bench for Alex. Van Pelt of wealthy owners fantastic. Yeah and he finishes. He finished season two and six so he was one game better than Rob Johnson who they fired. He is more talented. Apparently just barely passing. Yeah so I mean yeah. I think flu was getting up in age at that point Rob Johnson was twenty eight in two thousand one. And let's see how old flu was. He was probably significantly older thirty nine. So yeah I mean so a hundred hidden the jets basically said you know it's an age thing we're trying to groom Rob Johnson. But instead he went with talents and that that came back to bite him a little bit but yeah so flutie had a decent year. He threw for almost thirty. Five hundred yards fifteen touchdowns but also threw eighteen picks so kind of up and down which. I think we saw a little bit of this game. Us is actually pretty good in this game but not as effective in the Red Zone. He also finished with us. His twelve wouldn't one all time before this game at Foxboro that's true. Yeah but most of those games where for well playing for BC. Well but you had already done a stint with the Patriots before this bright which was interesting because I remember when he came back when he was like in his forties. Oh yeah yeah and he had the drop kick for the extra point exactly but I didn't realize you kind of start it in Chicago. Back in the eighties came. New England for a couple of years. Didn't really play much. I started a few games actually in eighty eight. He actually started nine games. Went six and three. But they didn't stick with him then he went to buffalo and then San Diego and then back knowing for that one year. Well I had a lot of respect from I'm at the end of the game. He sought him out. Give him a hug. Yeah again those before. He sold his soul which we established with circa two thousand four. Right right right well. Did you catch when And the jumping ahead a little bit. But when Brady threw his last touchdown. Right at the end he they. They showed a shot of him celebrating and his face like no smell. You just threw his hands up in the touchdown celebration that he was done. Yeah but the one other thing that didn't actually mention it all in this game but I found out during research on the chargers was the backup to Doug Flutie and was sit on. The bench was A rookie drew brees. That's right yeah who didn't see the game at all And would I think he I think from what I remembered? Drew brees actually kind of struggled a bit at San Diego beef and then he he got hurt and then and then they moved on and we all know what happened. I will say though One of my notes about Doug Flutie was. I haven't seen anybody put as much effort into throwing a football Drew Brees as Doug Flutie. He puts hundred twenty percent effort thrown. That looks like he's going to like tears. Top half his body office bottom half. Yeah he though he does but even like any sort of. It doesn't matter what it is. He's just raise your sling in it. It's amazing so we're using is. He's not no Patrick Mahomes. He's his. He is the top of the family tree. You know if you're going to be like almost like a coaching tree but with quarterback he's the top and coming on one side is Patrick. Mahomes and the other side is breeze. Wow so it all sorts of Flutie I love it does. Yeah that that is the beginning of both of those guys careers Doug that. He threw a hint. Mary Pass at Boston College completed. That sounds familiar to like a like undefeated Miami team or something like that right. That's the number one ranked team at the time or something. I don't know who it was but yeah I just don't remember the celebration videos. Oh yeah absolutely ways where. The cutoff shirt cut off. A God Speaking of rookies on this chargers team. They're running back. You may have heard of them. Ladainian Tomlinson Helluva rookie season. Yeah you ran for twelve hundred yards and ten touchdowns this year and at this point in the season was actually the leading rusher going into this game on US insane too because they were pointing out that at this point we clive seven touchdowns and the previous year. The Tigers had seven rushing touchdowns. Total already had a week five. Yeah it was pretty big upgrade. Although the week five year with ten touchdowns so I my guess is that either teams figured him out or they just figured that offense out because they stopped winning games so my guess is they got behind and had to just start chucking the ball and running it because even this game a they tried to stick with the run but lt finished twenty four. Carry seventy four yards. So it's not creamy out of touch down. As long as Ron was fourteen. It's not like he was blowing things up in this game. He I mean he looked good and he had some pretty strong runs but the pages actually kept him. Surprisingly bottled up for how much the the commentators were talking him up. I thought it was going to be a bigger deal. He also made me think you because correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't he one of your favorite players of all time. No no I've hate him ever since he came a jersey. Didn't you know yeah admit it to the public? I I don't buy Non Patriots actually I well. I do on page jerseys. But they're of usually failures. My favorite is Maurice Jersey. That's a sore subject. Cheap JERSEY. I'll tell you that I got it for like fifteen bucks. Whatever that Marshall's Lawrence? Oh Yeah it sounds like the jerseys with like I've got a couple of ones. I think I have one tim couch. I've got one that Are they like legit though? Are they like Slavery Walkie? Now all these actually pretty legit. I have one that's I can't remember who it was some bills receiver but the the name was put on upside down. I get what the numbers were off. Center. Yes Oh we probably shot at the same place. Then yeah yeah and I had Who is the The raiders quarterback Aaron. Brooks was it. Oh Aaron Brooks and so. I got one of those so given those away as Christmas gifts back in college. Subtracting them anymore. But they're out there. Well all right if you don't want to admit to being the top five biggest fans of living in not. I don't know I. I think you may be confusing me with one of my brothers so have to ask them. When we're going on the record Olympian Fan. Biggest Ladainian Stan. If you will yeah. Oh boy now. He sucks US really good. He was just atrium. Such a blowhard actually wasn't even blower harding. Anything is a kind of a Panzi and you wind live but anyways Marshall Faulk hate the Patriots the passion they do and Mark Burnell of all people mark Brunell. Yes he was crying over. Deflate Gate that over crying on television. Come on on people Jerry. Because he lost his championship begins them. Yup Yup Jerry Rice. Yeah Mr Stick them love the guy but he admits to cheating himself which say deflated or not intentional or not gives a crap about one. Ps But if you look in your hands that probably in contribution to certain parts of the game you would think. Yeah I. Yeah let's hear guarantee he'd come on right now the defender on it. Yeah so that is all right. I'll have I'll have our people talk to his people. See what we can set up. Because I'm serious. Speaking of wide receivers though had you heard of any of the is Charges Water T- risk. 'cause HERE'S THE LIST. I Have Curtis Conway who was their leading remember them. I didn't Jeff Graham who in Hewett told me the name Jeff Graham. I would have thought he was like a stand up. Comedian he is. He's fucking areas is stand up. Special came out two months ago. I highly recommend you watch it. I think it's okay all right. I'll keep an eye out for that when I'm browsing. Fox He's really good And then the only name I actually did recognize Tim. Dwight it was good solid because Turner. He eventually play for the Patriots was that I vaguely remember that. I don't remember. It was like end of his career and he didn't last rely. I think he was just there to do punt returns in he was supposed to spell either welker or settlement at punt returns and he didn't catch but he was getting this game he. The pages couldn't stop a a wide receiver slant or they just didn't want to and they. They apparently forgot how to tap on special teams kickoffs where An adventure to save for for both sides. I feel like yeah. Look I mean I've been a champion of lead Johnson. A we'll get to Lee Johnson. Just you wait. Oh I got a big old sexual on Johnson to talk about loss of this guy. That's the problem with out there. Yeah you shouldn't have done it but the defense actually has some even bigger names. I thought Some names that's pats fans will also recognize 'cause both Rodney Harrison engineer CEO. Who made the pro bowl this year? A ended up patriots White Two thousand nineteen no two thousand one this year they were talking about. Okay the reason for this podcast. Mister Melon. Value saying okay. Yeah making a pro bowl this year right. I thought you were being insensitive now. Oh junior sale recipe spun. Yeah exactly he's awesome. Yeah he's use a heart and soul of the team. Yeah so they between those two and also Marcellus Wiley on the defensive line and I guess Ryan McNeil. The cornerback went to the pro bowl this year as well. Those four were all all defense. Yeah so setting the stage there. I think talking about how good this defense was. We should actually start talking about page offense because especially Tom Brady because this to me was the first game that Brady actually was the reason. The Patriots won like in his career. Oh wait a way to you know. Bring that up so even talk about it. Give him a little suspense fan. Now you know. No one remembers the outcome of the year we. We've given this game hugging twenty suspense. Now no we got our guys. They won this game no I actually. I think this is me being serious here. I think that this game outside of any championship. Playoff Games It's probably and it's one you don't think about but it's probably like one of the top twenty. Yeah Season Games of the day and it's worth a rewatch if anyone has access. Yeah I one hundred percent I I was. I was watching the game today and it got like I think it's eight minutes left in the fourth quarter. I knew what the outcome was. I'm still sitting there. I had a moment of like wait. They they do win this game right. How mug Roger House is going to happen? Because they're down ten points with AIDS Laffan in going against this ridiculous defense right and I like not knowing the results going in and I was like well. This is pretty cool. I feel like I'm reliving like everything all over again. Because that's how you been watching is but I I knew 'cause I've been for my website I've been in this like all these stats and everything and the results and all that for a while now so I yeah I've kind of like I like from numbers wise and win loss. Wise like how the season went on but I. I don't actually remember watching this game. I don't remember any like I remember. I remember Brady throwing his first touchdown like that. That place is in my mind and then the the game winner did he threw to Wigan but I I didn't miss a Patriot game for like two thousand seven to be honest. Yeah me too so it was probably like you know. I don't Know Fifty Twentieth Fifty Years of light straight football. I didn't miss a game very important to me and I love watching the Patriots. It's a good time but looking back I'm like I don't remember a damn thing about an. I made sure to watch every one of them. So maybe they'll together but I feel like look at Bass Man. I shouldn't have tried to catch every single one. But no I I I just feel like because it's It's also been twenty years. I know I know and at the moment you're you know you're experiencing it as it happened so it's one thing but I do not remember most of that so it's great it really is. Yeah I was thinking the exact same thing. It's like this for like how like the although the feelings that I remember the season like the bits and pieces I remember i. I thought I remembered more than actually did all these games that I watched with the exception of the jets one where where leads went down. I remember almost nothing of any of these Games And so it is almost like part of it is watching it for the first time. But you know how it's GonNa end up which is Kinda cool and and there's also that added thing of like getting the C. Tom Brady like you know as a young full taking his first steps. Born knowing what that's GonNa turn into just hearing all the the commentators talking about like this young kid might be something one day right. Rally is the game itself was Awesome Lodge but eh but the game before you know. He's sort of got crapped on by by the Miami so they everyone was just writing him off like we talked about and what controversy whatever and after this game. It's sort of like reinvigorated everything I think it did. Yeah Nah I think. This was the beginning of the the actual quarterback controversy for the Patriots in this year. Yeah I agree. Yeah but Yeah because like you said Like the pages have felt like they had been written off. Because they're one and three at this point When I was putting together all like the Boston Globe slight sports pages for the day of and then the day after Like pre and post game the front page of the sports section. The day of the game didn't have anything about the Patriots on it just just wasn't there And it wasn't like the Red Sox. I think the Red Sox have been eliminated the plan so just talking about like it was all just baseball playoffs. Basically and some hockey stuff but there was no mention of the Patriots. A MINUTE'S PRETTY INTERESTING. It's been what almost twenty years since they were an afterthought yeah yeah because it wouldn't happen again 'cause this is when they started winning and it didn't really stop for the next night. The other incredible thing about this is like. I don't know if I mentioned this last last week. But watching this team kind of grow from the two thousand season until now and then eventually became. It's almost as if like you're watching like the bengals right so the mangles you know. They crap themselves every year at been one year. There's this kid you know the men's Shoe Ira all the end up and they take the by they never let it up right so You know they don't lose their job. It just continues or not so. Imagine the Bengals just becoming a powerhouse for the next twenty years tomorrow off what happens. Yeah when they're when they're hundred-million-dollar starting like France starting quarterback goes down. And they're like fucking. We're going to start this random dude RYOBI's ever heard of Gartner Minzhu. Yeah if you just taken them in just one the rest of the game and one simple and then stuck around for the next twenty years Yup. That's that's that's really hard to imagine. Even if you WANNA put like Patrick. Homes in that list yeah. They got rid of a a solid quarterback in Alex Smith and all of a sudden this kid that nobody really knew about even though his draft in the first round right taking the world by storm even. He's like struggling. And now he didn't. He didn't want super bowls for as you want to. Fuck right. Yeah but the one thing I noticed about the Patriots Offensive Game Plan. This was that it seemed like they were. GonNa be trusting. Tom Brady in the game even against this defense right. I mean that's interesting. You think they had that going in because the run game was not working from beginning. That's true but I mean like date. They started the second drive like inside their own. Ten Yard Line I play with. Yeah Yeah Five. Zero running back empty backfield and letting. Tom Brady threw out of his own. Enzo like yeah you're right. I mean I also like so. He threw for over fifty passes in this game which is insane he did. This is actually. I was looking at the old to kind of eleventh most passages thrown. That's crazy yeah right. I was also wondering because defense was like brutal. You know. They're fast. They're big on and they blitz a lot Especially with Rodney and juniors So do you think that part of it was especially when the run game craft itself. Do you think that was like you know what any of this kid experience? And whatever happens happens or do you think it was more of A. We're going to win this by doing it this way. I mean I think I I don't know it. Felt like they were like yeah. This kid can do what we ask of him. And I don't think they were asking a ton because there was a whole lot of like bubble screens and basically it seemed like they told him you know if one of your wide receivers If the defensive back pain against him as often for ten yards just like catch on chuck it on them and let them get that eight nine yards before the guy can catch them because they did that a bunch of times. So what you're saying. Is that the Tom Brady. Game Plan hasn't changed for twenty years. Well I mean he was still throwing the ball he he could throw a beautiful out he could but his deep ball man like I wrote that was like one of the weaker You know the weaker spots ms game was his lawn. I know he's never been a perfect deep ball guy anyway but In this game I. It looked like it needs to be worked on my side whose accurate is decision. Making great like yet has deep balls. Were a little off. I thought he had a couple that were like right in the money but they were dropped from patent down the line but yeah it was. It was surprising to see him. Overthrowing deep balls. Yeah I don't know I mean obviously you need timing down those guys but like I don't ever really see him overthrow anybody anymore. Like just kidding but yes so this game he did Throw his first ever touchdown. Pass to the vaunted Terry Glenn who had of what I felt was a very Terry Glenn Game. Yeah I mean I I agree and before we even get into that like do you find it? Odd Comparative maybe now even defined it all that dollar check after suspending from a year then he got reduced floor gains and then he was forced to come back. He didn't have the lamb. So strokes you that it was odd that once these rushing at reduced that he was active in the first game back no For a couple of reasons one The main reason is because Belgium always says I'm doing what's best for the team and was better team as a have that town on the field and especially because it was this defense because they I I'm guessing. They knew they were going to have to throw it and so to give Brady that option because remember how many catches he had in the first half Terry Glenn but there's like nine. Yeah and he went for like ninety seven yards and a touchdown or maybe it was like six actually but yeah it was up there. It's not like that. But he was kind of the the main option for brady throwing balls at the sideline the. Terry Glenn would make these diving. Tota amazing which I mean if social media was like prominence around that time that would be he might be like the the next Odell Beckham baseball catches alone. Yeah he was used making a ton of them. I mean he I think he had one catch in the second half but so very tearing disappeared immediately when the game actually start how he he had. I think three back to back sideline grabs and they were all like one of them. He went dead-leg you base. Yeah the as WHO's flying out of bounds. His legs drop and I don't know how this is humanly possible but they drop He did another one. That was very similar in the third time I he. He definitely caught a sideline catch and the complete. And Oh that's right. Yeah that was a beautiful cats as well so It was incredible to watch but yacky fellow he disappeared in the second half for whatever reason yep visit. It's just typical Terry Glenn like but I mean we're talking before we we. He is entire crew with the Patriots. He never had a multiple touchdowns in a game right which is mind blowing for how good of a player he was well. didn't say that. Randy Moss on either. I believe you made that claim so debunked but yeah if you WANNA stick with them okay. I'm just saying that you know great players don't necessarily have that but I was correlating this to things like remember Walker was like you know. Make it a couple of foot jokes with What's his face So no attack even though it wasn't the greatest thing for the team bench for the first quarter of that game and they lost so true. Yeah I'm like why? Where's the double standard? Unless he just didn't like West which I know that that sort of rumored anyway but yeah. Yeah I don't know I mean I wonder if we would know more if there's like you said this was happening today in the age of social media and if it would be more along the lines of seeing what. Antonio Brown has been putting out. There would have been similar to that. I don't know about such a quiet dude anyway Except for that one moment he thought fairly severely I mean it was that a playoff. Yeah I think it was. Was that the playoff game. I'm pretty sure was a playoff game because it may have been. Now's the bag all around. Now here's a you know. Maybe it's an outfitter question. I don't know you tell me but do you think that we could get ballot. Check on here at some point and having discussed that After he retires. Yes I think that would. Yeah because by the time we've actually caught up to modern day patriots in nineteen years or however long 'til tickets the fuel holy of eventually retired at that point. If he's still alive and then we will have him on. Because we will be the preeminent Patriots podcast in like twenty years. I'm going to all of this. Okay all right if I remember if either of us is still eleven twenty. Let's be honest longtime yeah All right so going back to Brady though one other note I had on here was A couple but the one that I wanNA talk about next is is Is noticed that there was a whole lot of heart counts from Tom. Brady and I think that was in direct correlation to what the charges defense was doing Because it felt like every single play at least junior say if not both middle linebackers would run up and pretend to try time the snap count and both kind of jumped on either side of the the the center there and I think even on the first drive they had I had it written down somewhere but they the I think it was the first drive. They had Two offsides penalties trying to time that Yup that jump in at least one of them was under new CEO and then again towards the end of the game Yvonne Harrison got into trying to take. That would like jump over and actually on occasion as he managed to get back on size before the ball was actually snapped but it was a very good that was sort of not at that time their careers as well though because I think they were very sharp and aggressive but at the same time. We're also very emotional. Yeah and so you know if one or two things goes awry or you know you hurt your team. I mean they might be overcompensating that that sort of creates a whole different issue with the defense now absolutely so. Yeah I think they had I. I know the chargers ended game with like twice as many penalties of the Patriots head The vast majority those were on on the defense for things like jumping off sides or just getting a bit too like you said emotional right well and I also thought it was interesting in what Brady was doing and I think it was foreshadowing. The rest of his career but kids are young kid. Is You know third game in and the defense was aggressive and he was willing to. You could already see him throwing. Footballs that like people's feet on screens. Yes so he is willing to give up that play Which he never lost. But that's a free unique for a young kid and I don't necessarily remember thinking about that back then ran by looking back. I mean he was pretty good at avoiding that kind of stuff and being aware of what was happening with the defense yeah. It was like the antithesis of Drew Bledsoe and really was man. I was trying to like try to chuck that ball. Like no look pass over the over his shoulder. As he's getting sacked usually picked off return for a touchdown. Yeah so and I also liked you know. Dodge was already thrown out different types of defense and Whatnot on the other side of it so you could see little bits of both of them kind of come together. Which was I thought pretty cool. Yeah yes let's talk about the Patriots. Even that's a good segue because I thought balled out in this game. They this was the prototypical bend. Don't break defensive like showcase because the charges were I think the best team in the Red Zone. I think they showed a sad early on Yup. I like top three or whatever it was I scoring scoring Red Dawn touchdowns which zooming most of those were Ladainian. Tomlinson runs because he already had seven up to that point in the season but The Patriots Defense held the chargers to. I think it was at least two. Maybe three red zone stops where the charges had I think. First and goal from the one of the two and couldn't score in the first and that was in the first quarter. Yeah so three point but I think is a major turning point just to kind of prove what they could do exactly and then they did it again at the end of the have to and I think that actually ended in a misfield goal right. Yeah well now. The the wasn't that wasn't the end of the half a miss by metairie. Actually that's right. Yeah Okay Yeah so so. It was It was chip begin the second quarter right right. Yep Yep no you're right. Yeah because then. The charges drove all the way down and then kind of went three and out in the like inside the ten yard line like first single this field goal and then the Patriots actually like from their march all the way down the field and Brady scored his first touchdown to piggyback off of that. I know what I'm talking defense but it was funny because Tom Brady threw his first touchdown. Yeah UNITARY MISSES THE EXTRA POINT. Yes and then. They're running the two minute drill. The pats are in the second quarter. Terry another beautiful sideline catch. Yeah Brady driving it like pretty pretty well executed two minute drill and then. Viteri misses the fields. All that that could be enough to just pressure team right there. Ya and you don't ever remember Terry ever missing field goals and apparently us well. The first thing he ever he missed the season. Two six six and extra points but he would always have one of these games every once in a while to remember. He had one of these against the Texans where the commentaries kept saying. Oh He's never missed a kick in doors in is lower for many years playing any missile four in that game before he kicked the game winner in overtime against team they should have applaud the doors off right. Yeah so I mean it was. I mean they had a lot of different things working against them but we go back to the defense and tackle those. Yeah well I mean no. That's fine we can keep talking about Tom. Brady. I'll tell you about Tom Brady for days. 'cause that two minute offense. I think should be called out as well because the whole I think two minute Tom Brady was still there. But the offense itself it was like a slow Mo version of what they do now And he was still trying to trickery but he wasn't good at it because you seem like the fake spike play see. He's he's he's calling routes to the receivers but then he's doing like spike spike and nobody fall for that except for the the commentators like Oh. I can't believe he threw the ball. There look like a fake spike like he was a calling a play before he said he's going to do is fake spike. It took him like forty five seconds to get it off to yeah and the the awareness of timeouts and things like that like I. I made a note towards the end of the game as well You know he executed the way he was supposed to but I think he left. Like thirty seconds on the clock. At at some point Brady would never let that happen. Yeah Oh yeah I bet he looks back on that now me like what the fuck was I thinking right and it almost came back to haunt so in ribic deal. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah we now. I want to make sure we talk about that but yells. Let's go back to the pages defense right. There was one stat of the beginning of the game that I thought Felt a little bit like this season. Kind of where Notre they mentioned that the Patriots Defensive Backs had scored more touchdowns than patients wide receivers by March of two to one. Yeah that's which is brutal. It is very reminiscent of today though a little bit. I mean not not quite to the same extent. No now but yeah. That was a point. I mean that's that's sort of why Tarik Limos brought back. I guess exactly. Yeah because it. It had been What I think. A lot of calmed his favorite word is when talking about offense is it had been anemic right it hit. Yeah the hadn't been much I mean if we're going to do a bit of crossover. Brian Cox. Who has been? I think probably the defensive player of the season so far until this point animal. And you know. He's the energy behind that defense. To God. You guys are just throwing their bodies and their feeding off of him you can. You can feel it from from watching the game. But I think his big play of this game actually came on offense when he lineup fullback on a third one and then they throw it to him he caught it and got a first down pretty awesome as beautiful like. Oh my God. A linebacker catching passes from Tom. Brady this is. This is some trickery and like Oh just you. Wait rebels rails. Time is coming. I mean yeah we. We don't need to touch on that now but man. His numbers tight end are phenomenal. Really Rather Allah control the other. The other quote I had Related to the offense actually here jumping all over. The place was tight. End has been really absent from the passing game. This is where they miss a player. Like Ben Coates which you could replace. Ben Coates with Rob Gronkowski this year and it feels again very familiar in the red zone. Yeah it's a good point. I mean there was talk of the Present Day patriots sort of resembling the two thousand three two thousand four patriots whereas solid defense. The sort of shorter plays a relying on passing backs. receiving So you might be right out of north as Brady's eight I don't think so because I don't think his place following that much. I think it's just the structure of the team at this point. I think this year it's mostly just injuries to all the the big beef arising side of the ball. Yeah Yeah but you know in two thousand and one. I guess it was just building a foundation that this well I mean I was gonna say Brady can kind of build off and you know have a security blanket but I guess with the Guy Light Bledsoe you probably would want a security blanket if he could pick up that concept as well and I don't think he ever did. Obviously yeah no I don't think so either I think One of the bright spots. I noticed on defense was every time lawyer Malloy. Blitzed timing was yet. The the wish that we could show this play by which one that was a couple while. There's one plastic flutie and he was like it was just it was just me and him and he flew says credit because he tried to get away. You did not and not have a chance. Yeah but yeah because it was one of those where he came from his safety position. Just time to perfectly. So you hit the line and just came through unblocked and he did it once On a running play too and caught lt in the backfield and just like led him up that man could he could lay the would like no other right or delivered. The would as we learned last week on football. Yes that is correct. Yes Football or not football. It skipped to Your Boy Lee Johnson. There could be considered either football now. Football I Yeah there's a segue right there but it was great and you're absolutely right. I don't know what the Hell is going on with this guy. You know. It's funny to before we get into what happened in this game with this guy. At the end of the game they interviewed up and they're basically like you know what if what if you get caught what happens. And he basically said I've killed us at NAS. It's direct quote. I've killed us. Enough if inhabits inhabits years old. He's forty years old. We finish the because of like what of his plays with negative mexi rushing yards so often at all. I am is. I don't know maybe this was his last five out by the hat. I'm not sure actually. She admitted that he has been sucking. And he was okay with being essentially. I mean this. This was his first punt was awful and his second punt was really bad but he got a bounce off it but the last punt It felt like your typical patriots way of losing the game. Where he got he got the I think he got the standing on. Its own ten yard line. Got The ball and went to go punt. It was taken forever and a free. Russia came in so he tried to take the ball like put it around his back. I think he's going to try sized the guy and then kick it but they got caught him so we kind of had it in his like he was holding onto the end of the ball with his fingers and US. Getting spun around the ball flew out of his hands backwards. So Alabel sitting on the Five Yard Line. They gotTA tackle them gets picked up the ball. Lee Johnson gets up and just kind of like watches him. And then realize Oh. Fuck this place. Though going and goes try tackling he gets lit up by some other guy who's come knocked his head off all the all the guy who recovered the fumble just wall in for a touchdown who was a backup fullback. He wasn't even like some sort of role player on the team for why why did that. Which doesn't make any sense to me. But he is bitterly for so long at this point that you'd seen this You know he's been rushed by million is and so he feels that like because they're all full steam ahead. You could sort of like you know. Fake them out and then the all that even when he was in the grass bourbon spender. He felt confident that he could still get the kickoff player. I can't even proper analogy. But he's he's basically holding it out so that anybody can grab it. Yeah I I'm going to see if I can Cap that play. We'll put it online and if that happens nowadays that guy is tomorrow. Oh my God and it's it's it's on Sport Center's not top ten for weeks as well 'cause Ruutel and this was to put the Patriots down by ten points with eight minutes left in the game. Yeah at this point Because again I didn't know the school or or anything going into it so I was just like. Oh Wow well. They said No. This is exactly the point where I thought wait A. They witnessed one right dead. They're running out of time. Real fucking fast. That's funny well. I was thinking man like this is going through my head a lot where an identity didn't know what the score is going to be so I was like. Are they going to start off the season like one four like this is insane and then I was thinking you know you see this? It's like the butterfly effect right. So you see one. Bledsoe is like coaching up Brady. They're all best friends. Yes yeah we hold them hands. I you know secrets. And then you know He. He's also riding High Fella checkers giving them opportunities and of course you know he wins game and pickings chain is. The season goes on right. May rises demeanor changes a little bit which extent by him whatever but if they lose this game coming in of course it was brady's false but if they lose this game after Miam- so another one in four one and four and then eventually bledsoe within a week or two comes back it could definitely change the course of everything I mean at that point decided to go with the backup anyway to see what he has true Everything could be different. And Roy said with these rules nowadays and if bledsoe stayed with the greatest of all time he could very well be the goat. Okay let's just be honest with yourself. Now he would have been good. I don't even the goat. He would have been the go. He does he just just remember. We're talking about drew. Bledsoe and fourth quarters of games here. Hey how to throw a he would have put up number yet but he will learn how to dink dunk right and don't check would beat it into him And we would be talking about BLEDSOE. Potentially having twelve super bowls right now but instead Brady which potentially with like six at the moment potentially seven by making it to twelve. You never know what might we think? We might be better off a bledsoe that things would have been different. Yes I think so. Thank God Anthony. Johnson Brady can thank him probably for a spot because he became the Herald without Lee Johnson. Maybe there's no heroics at the end. Maybe not this level heroics you know what? I'm going to retract my statement on the Johnson. It I like yeah I agree. He was He was the character that this team needed. Definite Glue Guy Batman reference like it was the. Here's the filling that the hero needed. Share all right. We'll go with that anyways. Yeah he was the one that the Patriots needed man. Hope you stick around for the rest of the year. I don't know what happened. Yeah me too. Yeah Yeah So. I mean that that sets up this the pages down by ten with eight minutes left right. I'm always obviously gets home. That's great but they They get the ball back the drive down the field get inside the ten but then kick a field goal because they ran out of time or they they ran out of like the fourth down they decide to kick a field goal instead so now is like I thought it was funny. The announcers again fantastic. They're going look what do you? What do you think happens? I think you've got to go for a touchdown. Your this close. And you gotta go for a touchdown and then when they bring out the field goal unit This is smart play. You gotta go down by two hundred odometer scores that area but they also saying that on there like Oh they definitely should go here. It's like they they. I'm I'm not surprised. Leaving the offense on the field They they should go. Tanya makes sense because it was third now I didn't get it that and then fourth-down down comes and they go like. Oh actually yeah no. They're the physical here make laws So yeah so they. They kick the field goal. And there's like four minutes left in this game with Ladainian Tomlinson and Doug Flutie in his fourth quarter magic which we'd heard about pretty for the previous three hours. I'd say But the pages holden with three and out barely the furred. The first the first play of that drive was an eight year. Run by Lt. getting the second to Ryan. We're we're getting towards the two minute warning. I'm like they know they do win this right. That was the second one but then they they held two more runs. Held them got so the I think the two minute warriors like that called a couple of timeouts get the ball back at Troy Brown. Choi Brown has a ridiculous punt return. He does and even before that it was before the two minute warning. The it was after that that eight yard run it was the second in two thousand one with bow yes Two twenty three last. Yeah Def sounds right. Yeah so yeah. Troy Brown gets the punt return and even with that penalty. That gets called it. Still sizeable his return brings it to like the San Diego. San Diego Forty. Yeah returns like your typical troy. Brown returned but then got called back hauling put them back on their own forty which is still great field position. And then I'll say this brady from this point forward in the rest of the game. It was like an. I'm talking defense offense. Everything was probably one of the better games I've watched in a long time. It was. Yeah it was like how I was super excited. I'm sitting there yelling at my my TV. Even though I know what happened at the right I'm like there's no way he caught that. Cause your typical he was basically Brady and Troy Brown at the end of the game on that last drive. It felt like yeah although David Yeah Twenty. Six that's right. Yep Yep that's true like so it was forty seconds left when they're on the three and this is what I'm talking about the at one time out less basically like Brady Burns it with thirty seconds. Left there's no way they do that now. It wait about twenty five seconds. Maybe I'll say seventeen. Yeah after three plays. And that's it. That's where you're GONNA YOU'RE GONNA keep running. Plays until you run out of time or all. You got to run for placing into as quickly as possible so yeah leaves just enough time to do that. And that's it but yeah you're right and then the the commentator gushing over the play which was basically just a play action like a heavy run play action passing to Jermaine wiggins in the back corner of the endzone who was a lot bigger than I remember him being. Yeah and Halley Boy Alan but also I pretty leitch shifting to. He's you know he had a little bit of a jody him. But I was definitely not receiving option that the charges were all worried about. 'cause he was what the fuck. Oh but yeah but I feel like this was foreshadowing. Basically the whole playoff run. I agree about but Jermaine wiggins wasn't a household name but I mean he's nearing Meinhard yeah so yeah so that ties it up with a few seconds left like thirty something seconds left pages kick off and the charges at a ridiculous return again on kickoffs like they they start the forty yard line every drive right And then wasn't the one that Tabacchi Jones laid out the returner. Which that's right. Yeah no that one was. Yeah yeah that and now is a does a ta lawyers Kit and you just gotta shoulder knocking over the tackling the kickoffs and all that from that point on everything was just spectacular. It was like almost like too much. Oh yeah everything was perfect so obviously the charges don't score they they almost got into field goal range and there was some like fuck ary with. Doug. Flutie tried to spike the ball. I don't think I've ever seen before. No but he was watching this game original. Yes so he pulled the ball up to like pulled his arm back to spike it and the ball fell out of his hand and then he like tried to spike at but missed and the pay's recovered it but be. The REF said because they blew the whistle when he when the ball hit the ground they still got the ball back but it moved the field goal back five yards instead of being like a fifty two yard. Fifty seven yarder and the kicker came up like three yards short well and that was a big controversy. Not In that game but like for a couple of years where it was that whole thing. Where can you challenge something that has been whistled down and there are enough of these plays that they eventually turned it over? It's what it is today. I'm we can pretty much challenge everything and overturn it. But yeah because the whistle blew. There is nothing that dollar check to do about it right because that was the rule back in that time. Right but yeah so I mean even that if you saw the replay you could see a bunch of the sideline for the charges Ron field thing and the guy hit the field goal because it was straight down the middle just missed it short by a couple of yards right so then. I think the kickoff that you were talking about was the the one in overtime. Yes yes. You're got the mix up because the charges actually won the toss right Yeah return the ball to the forty yard line. So they didn't need many. Are you go? Why aren within field goal range now? Vinnie Terry could never kick into the end zone. No not until. They moved the not until they moved the kickoff right. And it's not even like the Gutowski thing where like you get like. Joe Voted High up in the and travel put at the one. No He's putting a thirteen yard line. Yeah man else going on. Yeah it was. It was not a position of strength for this team at this point right But yeah so the charges get the ball at their own forty need basically what twenty twenty five yards to go and they had actually been driving late in the second half of this game. The page Stevens felt like they were kind of wearing down a bit but In this particular say they held they charge when three and had to punt the ball back to the Patriots. First play from scrimmage Brady froze a bomb down the right side of the field to Patent I believe it was a patent. Yeah but the crazy thing about this place is that it was an all out blitz by San Diego and yes. He stood in the pocket he kind of did his little dance in there and threw it up for classic like Ti. Yeah it was like it was a blatant pass. Defense was excel patent got dragged down by Molden who had a whole section the next day's paper talking about how he didn't think it was an actual legit call but he always didn't watch the replay because it was pretty played in you got the the ball was throwing a little bit too inside and he was playing inside technique and so pat tried to cut back inside to him and he just fucking strap tackles s and. I've never seen anybody celebrate harder for getting a pass. Interference called than David Patten. On that play. He was dancing like a mother. He's do a legitimate jig while they're they're celebration of this game was reminiscent of every team that. I think we hate like remember. When like the broncos with with Yes yes pass he's like free didn't make the Super Bowl for them. This get super bowl at that time. It's like Even the Ravens beating the pages this year with Lamar Jackson where they're taking the team photo after the game. Oh it's like this is. This is the pages you've built as point. Yeah so funny. Of course it ends on a visionary funeral. Hang on a second. I'm going to relocate for second. Oh boy well. This is embarrassing All is no we've been don't be a bit. You tell them how to live my life. something wrong with technical difficulties. I don't know if you're grabbing snack or something what you're doing. I mean I don't know what your hands all right now. I can't really see them. Shifting to deliver shifting whites my whole step to deliver room starring. Go to bed. You know but I'll measure as We gotTA keep this. We've got to keep some of this. You can't cut it out because it's Bs you gotta listen you aggressive. Cut It but some of them could be good well. I I just didn't want to skip over the fact that you are trying to just like and this game without talking about Brady on the next third down because I think this was pro. Say the biggest Brady play but it was Kinda Very. I don't know how to put it. This was kind of like it was a it was the third down third and three or something like after the pass interference and the charges brought pressure from both sides of the guy. Coming unblocked right in. Brady's face now the guy coming on his blindside who caught unlike below the knees and then the other guy like chopped him over the top. floated the ball over the the Russia to him and hit. Oh you're right. Yeah Yeah it was a nice touch pass. Yeah because they were like right on the border of field goal range and Brady just stood there and just way to the last possible second just lost it over the guy so that fall could get the first down and now they're like well within like middle of a forty seven yard instead of like a fifty like a long fifty ardor you are correct and that was just like the like the Bat beginning inkling of this Brady kid like He. He doesn't get rattled at all like that. Just imagining like watching drew bledsoe in those situations for all these years. Yeah the gray was. He would have handled that yet. How how he would have handled that versus this kid. Who's what is his second official. Start STUDYING YEAH. So it's just that kind of like this was. I think it's just those little plays like that where you think. That's all right. Yes that ended up not being so bad. There's a ten year gap where we I'm really pissed off. Look which was the gap. Yeah I don't know he's all right That does lead to the field goal. You so desperately wanted to get to Yemen Viteri. All the way redeems yourself money and they also kicked the field goal on third down. If you remember did yeah. Just IN CASE IS ANOTHER TACTIC BY BILL. And the announcers were crapping themselves. They had no idea what to do about it though. Like what is kicking on third. How off guard here than they didn't obviously understand why why you know. It's funny in in the You know those those newspaper columns where they would have like sort of like who's better on what side of the ball again. The Patriots were always negative on everything except for coaching. Trae trees and I feel like I'm Bella. Check was an outside of being a defensive guy for the giants I mean he was. Okay Yeah but you always want. The Edge Amalgam realized nobody knew what the hell us ever doing. So it's so true. Yeah Hey always comes up like one like bullshit thing. They'll ever. What was he doing here? Oh my God it's Cini ballot check again. Because he hadn't proven himself at this point he had that stint with the browns had done okay and then he had his Defensive Game Plan for the Super Bowl on the giants as the defensive coordinator in the Football Hall of fame but as a head coach. He wasn't like this he didn't. I don't think that genius label yet now and I mean he went. Yeah the five and eleven. I mean shouldn't really Garner that much definitely He always edged them out. According to the announcers in the media Yes I guess was smart for once you got that right. Yeah Yeah I know allegations and I enjoyed. It's also weird that going into the game and I guess after this game so going into they had a nine game winning streak versus the chargers dating back to us so charges of all teams. I know it's so funny. And they. They kept going to attend straight so that was great and eat that Sandiego. Yes San Diego is. You've got your weather but we've got our ten game winning streak you fuckers all right. Yeah I mean now you know we've reached the end of the game here and we did not really talk about. I mean we talked a little bit about it. But we haven't really pointed out the announcers as opposed to previous games and I stopped. They were so professionally. Boring that yeah. They were tolerable but I was that I couldn't get anything out of them. Yeah I had one quote now but The one thing I'd like to start off by saying is buddy. Your name is Ian not I N I know I mean I wrote it as I because I you know. I WANNA be accurate here. Ian It is the I n. e. hill and Salomon Wilcox free. Solomon will cuts is a fantastic name. I for some reason every time I see that aim. I think apricots and I don't know why but I feel like I picture a apricots April cots. How do you pronounce a bold bold apricots? I WITH APRICOTS DO. Yeah I- pretentious growing up. 'cause you know my parents from England so they always pronounce things. Funny Sell right like it was. It was yogurt instead of yogurt and I got a whole bunch of shift for that at school. I April at least reasonable. That's why I gotta go the long as in the long vowels because that's usually more Americans I don't actually know legit. Don't know if you're fucking with me or not. I think I know very well. Maybe apricots away. Yeah I'M NOT CENSOR Portuguese. I mean that's fair but apricots sounds to like this is how the English pronounce it. And you'RE GONNA get shit on in third grade for saying incorrectly so cots okay fair enough but I had one comments from them. They're talking about meeting Ladainian Tomlinson for the first time. I don't know which one it was. It said it but he said I was very surprised with the size of his lower body. Ooh Yeah I feel hill is alive but I do know what that means so it wouldn't be flashing for you but I think he. He did eventually clarify that. He was talking about his his five. Yes yes yeah. He's like grind region. Yeah Oh you just lower body in general news all very big. Yeah Oh oh I see okay. So that was. I thought he meant it the other way which is kind of weird. The other guy was left in two. I don't know but that does bring me to the next thing where. I didn't think I was going to happen terms that I didn't understand but I got a cup. Did okay for a little bit of an. I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GONNA run out of these things that I don't know because I usually know a lot about you learning. Yes and you'll know them from here on out. I don't know if this is ever going to come back but for now we got another football football going on all right and let me You know like I said my thrown a couple of things that I don't quite get I did get the lower body thing well they didn't see clarified but If you could just clarify these things for me. Explain it to the people out there. absolutely theorist typical terms. But so the first one is carrying the load carrying that is technically football. Yes okay so what does saying. I think it's Oftentimes when running backs tend to get a higher workload and the team is kind of running through them and they're getting into a rhythm the running back is said to be carrying. The load in thaw is carrying the team on their back. Sort of. Oh so wait. Could quarterback carry the load as well or? Is that not apply? It probably could but it's it tends to be used in With running back for some reason probably because they're dragging people around on their backs as well also like a physical carrying a load. Gotcha all right. So that makes sense Next one here is taking it right up in there. Oh I can see how that could be confused football terms okay football when I'm more on the fence with this one taking it right up in there. I think I wasn't sure I think there's some context around that that would probably pretty valuable well. That's that's true. I didn't write down what came before not really sure just kind of threw me before. I'm wondering if you had the wrong tab open for that one. Oh no what would you know that I mean I think that You may have been on a site that was with some yellow. Yes I was okay but I don't know so we're going to say on that one. Well that's a gray area. I think we're GONNA yeah. I'm pretty certain of what it is but the next one was getting excited every time he touches the ball like I think that's football. Who are they talking about? I can't act a better job about this because I think that would Greatly explained whether it was or wasn't football because if we're talking about let's say Doug flutie than as probably football but if we're talking about Drew Bledsoe in this case. Maybe Oh yeah I gotta I gotTa do a better with with the context? Is I sure on that one? So we'll talk to more on this one one about with the Union. I wrote so nice. Okay Contexts Tomlinson. Only has one goal at one. Oh sorry I fucked that up one hole to go through one hole to go through and I think we were talking about last week or anything holes and whatnot gaping holes and and squeezing through the minute something the titles or something. So I'm guessing this is like you said just learning as we go. He only has one hole to go through is when the alignment. Aren't doing that. Great of a job or something and like you walk me through this. I think it's up now. I think you're on the right track and it might even be like play call specific as well where there's only one specified whole. That's trying to be blocked open. Oh okay so it was designed that way. Yes and I don't think it's anything to do with whoever he's is or is dating as well and and how she feels about that sort of stuff. Oh in this case. Do you think he's into like in that respect? If we were talking about that I don't know I don't know if you've ever talked. My my guess is probably Humiliation sort of things. So just just a wild guess. What he's other receiving end of this. I could see that. Yeah okay all right. Yeah I don't know that's not here but I think it's an issue thing this one. The announcer said and again. I don't have context on what the hell you're talking about so I apologize. Well we'll traffic down anyway. He says I want to be one of the eight men in the box. Oh boy that would really like to talk a little bit so far enough of ball you listen to these games different than most serious I. There is a box in football and they are do happen to be men in that box so I think in this case there can be up to eight. Yes is usually how many defenders are are in that box. Which is with within a few yards of the line of scrimmage I gotcha. Okay so like towards alignment again. Yes Yeah Oh yeah. A lot of these are trenches as they call it. Yes exactly okay. Now that makes sense. So that's all I got. I'll try to have more context if any of these things pop up in the future. That'd be beautiful. There's a great. That's a great segment. I love it thank you. I'm learning a lot good. That's what we're here for. Share our knowledge of football. I love football with with the greater population. I appreciate you bringing these these things and beings vul- vulnerable and saying that you don't know things in and bring that to the fore not my forte. But I'm trying to work on it now. I appreciate that appreciate that as well. All right so so with that being said how do we get into our best and worse to wrap this up all right? That sounds good to me. Did you WANNA go first? Well I also want to talk a little bit about. I'm just a little thing that I found out about Roy Brown Antares Len before that And it was basically a well. Terry Glenn I don't know if he says things to be abrasive or not but is just interesting that the little sound bites that like I found but when after the game he was talking about braiding. And they're like you know. How do you think he did or whatever he said he's young and wants to prove himself? That's an advantage for us He might not have fried some place that he did is. He was eight or nine years as wondering that a shot at drew. Oh No I don't think he would say that but it just Kinda came off as like you're kind of thrown on the bus a little bit more like he's too stupid to know better what it feels like talk. They came off a little bit weird. Yeah and then the other thing that I thought was funny. Was that apparently terry lamb through his. Tom Brady's first touchdown. Pass the funnel into the stands after the game so that he is actually a little bit by that he would have given the football to Brady. So of course you would right so it's both personalities there but yeah that's the worse year. Yeah I mean we've talked quite a bit about everything I would say one thing that we did not talk about his Anton Smith NAPA GREG. Game at the thirty or forty yards rushing on everybody's got a touchdown in the third was on the goal line and You know he was running up the middle basically and junior say it was one of those that he time perfectly elect talk about and just POPs Anton Smith his head off and he falls back like two or three yards and somehow ducks under a couple of people flying at him. And then dives for the touchdown doesn't fall over on that sale. Hit which I don't ever happened like did you see sales reactors. How the hell did I knock celebrate? That he tackled loss and ended up scoring touchdown from it does pretty bad ass does actually gonNA be my best as low just really outlets and then the oil that I guess. The second best was a Lithuanian fumble recovered by Brian Cox. Because A and My worst is and I'm GONNA to have to change this one because it was everything that Lee Johnson did but now that we use that he may be the hero that he is. I'm I got no worse. I love it. Always look on the bright side. It's beautiful right all right My best was I guess switched up to an observation that I that I noticed Doug flutie throwing a football to Tim. Dwight that has got to be the the shortest connection. The history of football correct. You mean height wise. Yes they're both five nine and I don't I can't think of unless drew brees but no we already is algae breezes super tall cuyler. Murray may be throwing to some Russell Wilson is what five eleven thing so yeah. He's six feet five nine to five nine white guys connecting on a F- a successful pass in the NFL. Two thousand one. I think is highlighted. Antibodies by have no commentary. I don't know what what I mean. I don't even know what to say about that. I you know. I have no comment on height. Commun- done I just. It's just something that you don't see very often we we. We got the Greek we agree. I okay well. I like that okay. That was my best just being able to see that and my worst is Watching the chargers kickoff team celebrating as if they've won the game making tackle on a kickoff that got returned back to the thirty five yard line. It's just so typical chargers getting pissed off at the Patriots are doing sack. Dance on your field at the end of the game after beating you and they should love. Oh Yeah that is a classic game but he was also like riding the bike for like the game feel like I know that was two thousand two thousand seven where he. He went in and him in the quarterback. Well I think it's Philip rivers at. The time was was Philip Actually yeah and both of them were injured and the day also had one Russian and South. Orissa game out like under his Big Jack Cole. Ads are yeah so different but yeah they're all every L. dollars a game with the chargers and the Patriots and the pretty much the same way it sure did. That's right so yeah but I think this is a quality so far on our list of game so watch. This is probably number one for me. The one we watched so far I would definitely recommend viewing it. Yeah and I think this this goes on the board of should watch. Hey put it up all right if you find a copy even with commercials. Just sit through the early two thousand. They were interesting weren't they? They're fantastic subject container baby someone by shaking them up by dancing because he's got a girl in his living room and then when she opens it sprays interface. That's right I'm and I remember few other cedric commercials. So hopefully we get to see those too. Yeah all right. I think that About wraps it up for week. Five two thousand one season. Thanks for being here Mike. It was a joy to to share this with you and it was really. It was really fun like I said I am trying to be more vulnerable and open up and just say you know what man appreciate as a human being and while my time could be used for other things. It's not the worst thing in the world I agree. Yeah and it's always a pleasure to be able to to shoot the shit with you so all right so you went genuine. I was kind of awful about horrid audit. I disagree if genuine to me so I'll take it all right well until next week. What is next week? I don't even know. What are we looking forward to do? You WanNa know. I don't WANNA know I'll get off and you can tell them but I'm done the pages. Go visit the Indianapolis Colts Dan. That's a gallic forward to cull. Cidade blew the doors offer easily. It's true as Peyton manning playing or do you want me to tell you no I. Don't you pass the test buddy? I got you. Yes he is playing all right. I'll do this episode. We'll see everybody next week. If you're still with us all right sounds good silly but by.

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2001 Week 11: Patriots vs Saints

Patriots Dynasty Podcast

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2001 Week 11: Patriots vs Saints

"This is Christine Brown. And while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty you have the choice not to my sons and of course my sometimes say some naughty things trying to be funny but really just being stupid you still want to listen. Go right ahead. I am not your welcome to episode eleven of the Pages Dicey podcast. We're GONNA start this before Michael. I come to fisticuffs from across if you guys are wondering. We're discussing the INTRO music. If nothing else can be talked about right now so well. I think because we haven't addressed this yet and because we've actually just figured it out on our end but it'll have been in every episode since so we. Should Brian Take the time to thank Mama Brown for her disclaimer? At the beginning of all of these model Brown and in full transparency. She was not the first choice. We did try to get a cameo from their website of Jonas Gray to do it for us. But he doesn't know how to use the the cameo website or he just decided not to didn't tell us we tried a couple times. Didn't get him a Momma Brown. It felt it felt right to have her apologize for us. Before you even start listening to this so thanks to her as long as you can tell we have both Mike and Steve here. No Greg this week because he is heading to Miami for the Super Bowl. That was some poor four. Planning I suppose on his part Buying a lawyer understand why you would would buy tickets to wherever the super bowl is every year just because the last time the Patriots weren't in it was four years ago that right and so I'm terrible with time so we're GONNA go with that but to be clear even if they weren't liberal he did not have tickets to the game. No no go to Miami game even patriots in it. He couldn't afford that anyways. Well he probably could afford it because if the pages are in it the tickets would have been cheap again. They were cheap. That's why all the patients fans were there. What's cheap these days? Five thousand dollars. Not so much they are this year. I think maybe thousand are. They're pretty expensive this year. Because she's haven't been one hundred but we're not here to talk about the chiefs or the forty niners where we were talking about the saints because the saints are coming to town two thousand one week. Eleven to the a wet and windy foxborough Massachusetts. Apparently the everybody was pissed because during the day it was like sixty degrees and sunny This is a late game and the rain and wind started late. So was fun About Saints Saints Team. They seemed like they were pretty good. They were good the year before but this year that actually finish seven and nine third in the NFC west behind. Obviously the rams the forty niners were a bit of a powerhouse. This year to head coach was. Jim has let you boys remember. Jim Has let no yeah. Who else is us back? Then because his before they rely on the divisions right when the culture still in ours. It is by the end of this. Podcast will definitely remember how these were. Yeah because we asked this question literally. Nfc West was the rams. Forty niners Saints Falcons and Panthers. I believe touch on this last week. Powerhouse and like now. Yeah Ramsey bullets feared niners superbowl this year saints Been the NFC championship game. At least seven wins last couple of years. I think the Falcons were the Super Bowl recently. To aren't they now the guy they were like a big Super Bowl? Something like that. I don't remember I'm sure well we'll probably find out twenty years. Yeah listening it'll be forty years. You couldn't so. Jim Has let Pretty Good Defensive Coordinator Defensive Coordinator for the steelers before this for a few years when they were pretty good. And that's I think how he got his head coaching gig. So that coach from two thousand two thousand eight most of those years or with the New Orleans saints didn't do so great. He only had two winning seasons. One was at first two thousand season and then two thousand and two The rest of the season. Here's either eight or worse finished with a forty seven. Sixty one record overall just not great but the fact that he lasted for was eight years. Yeah even with such a bad record as a testament to been able to stick around Fisher was Jeff Fisher. Yeah pretty much what Garrett Jason Garrett I mean That guy and he held his job. So that's true We can I think there's other connections Jason Garrett to its we'll get to in a second but against hasslet coach teams Patriots were undefeated. Now it three. They beat the saints twice in one. Oh five and then again. When has coaching the rams in two thousand so we like seeing his team's none of the games were particularly close really average score was Twenty seven seventeen. Pats one of the games the most games were about twenty four to seventeen sixteen to twenty three twenty four so they were very Offer not wanting to play in this game there. Were definitely a dome team for sure. Because Games were were informed. Dome Team Out Dome Him. Gotcha haven't been doing umbrella alive. My accent it's tripping you up. It is sorry but yeah so to come back to the clapper that I said before The other notable coach in this offensive coordinator Mike McCarthy who is currently the New Dallas cowboys head coach after turning this offense coordinator job into the Green Bay head. Coaching job in two thousand six coach forever up until last season he was through. Two thousand. Eighteen season didn't code. What's your take on? His relationship with awe. Aaron Rodgers have take kind of ignored that to be honest really. Aaron Rodgers seems kind of like a single berry so that's IBM. It's funny way to put it but he I Dunno I wake up early on. I think he's become a little bit of a budget on Aaron Rodgers. That is that's what it feels like. And he's the boss. Yeah the early success seems to have maybe gone to his head a bit right also kind of interesting to see that I mean. He was hands down across the board known as the. You know the most athletic quarterback and now that's definitely not the case. So it's interesting to see the passing of the torch and he never really won another championship so it is what it is. Yeah I think it kind of puts what Brady has accomplished into perspective when you see somebody with that sort of ability and that sort of talent and all these successes had and he's only won one super bowl even for a while on right. I think it's been too well right so to only ever get to one super bowl but the fact that he's gotten two nine one six of them it's it's a whole different level but remember what it was. Aaron Rodgers Peyton manning and Brady for status. Yeah Yep and now. It's Tom Brady and drew. Brees is now entered the conversation where he drew brees for goat. Yeah this year you heard it when you want. He passed paid touchdown record. Well regular season touchdown passing record people just regular season then. Yeah maybe it is between manning and breeze. The thing is Brady's up there and all those numbers but he has the whole playoff top of it. You know all those records where he's head and shoulders above everybody in every statistic. I now it's kind of a silly argument. It's outrageous. Yeah you could actually put together a full season of Tom. Brady playoff games. I think he's still finishes twelve and four. I Guess Playoff teams and Super Bowl team teams like the Legion of boom in the greatest show on turf and all these teams. It's an what can we think for all this deflate gate bell check Celena Soul. Now there's a lot of stuff is Brady Celena soul after I think oh seven or maybe oh six. There's obviously we've talked about when ballot check. Sold his soul. We've talked about belt. Checks cheating ways in his opportunistic. Getting caught talked about that. Well what's called a spade a spade my friend So with deflate gate that happen and they went on a run list. Say so without the fleet gay. We probably don't have the second part of the dynasty in probably gets cap so ballot check again frigging thinks fellow according to Patriots weren't GonNa win the game against Seattle the Super Bowl against Seattle. Well you have but deflate gate sort of like created that that aura. That like Oh screw this. Everybody's against us because if you remember after deflategate they still have two weeks or whatever of like answering questions and then the The year after you know what was that suspension year was the year after that Whatever Brady was suspended I mean that brought up the whole Garoppolo thing so everyone was looking at him. Brady had a chip on his shoulder. He had probably have that chip on a shoulder for a long time. I mean you just rattled off super bowl after super bowl super bowl so I think deflate gate played a hand in this run. You said it Mike you also thought nine eleven played a hand in this Clark. I didn't stay. All I said was the dynasty happened because of Melissa's hit okay. Excellent adding that to the list indirectly. Look there's a lot of people don't start out as a listen to all this and you see the filth that these guys are spewing and I'm ready to solids bidung consider getting all right good Lord somebody takes real tastes. I like. I like doing this because all these hot takes get us through this cold New England winter. They just it just keeps you warm. There probably know here. Do you still have the fires to keep you warm or those? Now it's just sunny. It's tough life. You lead is a couple of earthquakes here and there but other than let's must be nice. It was nice today because it got into the thirties. Got To thirty six. After like sweatshirts on their outside fucking lunatics writes The Saint Speaking Lunatics. How about some of these saints players quarterback Aaron Brooks remember him? I do because I actually had his jersey. If you recall Brooks Jersey I went through a phase. Yes that's my stop man. That's Mike and Mike and I talked about this. Maybe just been the two of us. I think Mike Well we go shopping at that place in Lawrence. Oh Hell Yeah. Sell sold Steve. Do you remember that place now? No Greg USA love it too. They had Like one of those like filings as like Tj Maxx Sorta just had a bunch of random stuff but they always had one rack of random like crap jerseys so they had one with like name sewn on upside down and like stupid things like that. I think it's purely price was the one that I had. Ooh Yeah I'm blind was off center. Twenty two right but one of them. I had Aaron Brooks and then also my my crown. Jewel was Murray's Claret broncos Jersey. Yeah those were cheap. There was also tim couch one. I think who's the the big defensive lineman for Green Bay with the Great Name Kebab? Emila that guy I him. Yeah at one of those so I I would give those away in college for Christmas presents and stuff till my roommates and things warn of course oh boy. They weren't new. They were used as well. I used to wear like house parties and stuff and I see what you do with them. So that's why I'm surprised. I wear no surprise. Aaron Brusson a reject pile he booking SOx Yup hell man he. Yeah he was not as bad as I remember him being. Oh he was worse. And I I. I mean this game in the heat and he couldn't handle it like he had to get out of the kitchen but I mean he put up these numbers. He had thirty eight hundred yards. Twenty Six touchdowns and twenty two deception. Didn't you have a three hundred and fifty yards in this game passing which was weird? Because I don't think I saw him complete a pass. We did the only pass. He completed sixty yards downfield. Yeah there's a couple of yeah But he was also on the team in rushing yards with three hundred fifty eight. He was sacked fifty times. That is five zero fifty times. Let's see is is that I that's usually in the upper region right but like fifty. Hi you hear that I mean what on car remember the Texans? Didn't he set wrestling? Have no idea how many times although for running quarterbacks and that is a lot of sex you'd well you'd think that because The second this game was where he was scrambling and then he ran and kind of like tripped over himself right. Yeah Oh here we go. Here's the leader of time. Sacked season. Uc that said David car. I was Maria now. Mike Yes it was him in two thousand and two caretaking. Guess how many times. He was sacked that year. I remember it was like in the seventies. I Seventy six. Oh Damn second-place though Randall Cunningham and six seventy two while surprising. Yeah a lot of these. It seems to be either White quarterbacks on bad teams like immobile quarterback teams or mobile quarterbacks. Who LIKED TO SEAN WASHINGTON? Here twenty eighteen with sixty two real kind of hands on here a lot. Forgotten is in the hall of fame. Three drew bledsoe's on here. Nineteen ninety nine fifty five sacks tied for eighteenth with Blake Bortles. Twenty fourteen blesses on here again. Two thousand two buffalo with fifty four secs doesn't that guy sounded good pokemon. I don't know anything about every time. I hear. Bortles picture his face off. I think you're right. Say brexit is. He's the he's on this list but he's got some good good company. Aaron Rodgers Fifty one sacks yells up fifty six new year so it does seem to be kind of mostly the Milwaukee our mobile guys and David Carr. Who is I and also third on this list? Oh that's pretty. Well my boy. Tim Coaches on here. Fifty six six car. Crashes that's a Lotta car crashes but now cars bring it in the announcing game I think is he. I don't know he's a reporter of some sort. I don't know man I don't I haven't come across the There is like the most Tom Brady. There've been sack was forty one times. Guess what season that was this one. This one hour really doesn't have like supernatural awareness. He got blown up blindsided in this game yet. A couple of fumbles that is often sublime recovered sided. It was real big your neck snaps back. Yeah it's a wonder why Bella check allowed him to keep his job again. Bledsoe didn't have the greatest history as well and got a pretty good view of him the year before when they went five hundred so right from what it sounded like is ballot check. Chose Tom Brady based on since he was making more so than really the numbers I think. Yeah that's a good point. I also read. This is perspective that you get after the fact. I don't remember any of this stuff like you know when I was watching. These games live but it came down to a lot of like a practice snaps between bledsoe and Brady and I guess in the previous GAM instagram's ballot check basically blamed Brady's performance so to speak on On the limited practice opportunities because bledsoe kind of took some away. I don't know if that's true or not. But that that's sort of what he went with. And you look at it from that perspective. You have a quarterback who's been you know he's a starter for two games gets hurt and then you have a guy who started eight games. You sort of like gear the The whole team philosophy towards is what's happening with that quarterback the terminology etc playcalling. So it doesn't actually make sense that you know you're this far into the season regardless of even if he thought Brady was the better quarterback it probably is a setback to kind of like restarted. Again with some guys that for two months right especially with Brady's still winning games during that stretch to a US five and three going into this game I heard somewhere some ballot check clip talking about this specific saints game where he said. Brady play like crap game before in this game. Kind of showed him that he needed to stick with Brady kind of proved them right. It's GonNa ride them for the rest of the year was a specific saints game. Yeah and that's actually. What all the The Boston Globe articles were kind of before and after is exactly that kind of dichotomy. Where and the funny thing though is is that like. He made not the hard decision but he made the decision that Brady was going to be. The starter barring injury before this gang so. I wonder if he didn't play like lights out which he did I wonder if it would have been a different outcome. Always would've stuck stuck with the rest of the year but yeah I mean who who really knows. Ambala check but and he's never gonNA fucking tell you he'll take it the Suri well once we have him on this podcast and thirty but yeah I mean there was a bunch of stuff in the papers about how belches made the decision and took the full responsibility for it to even back then in typical bell check fashion talking about how it's his decision and it is what it is and nobody else has anything to do with it. The line was. There's no sense in being wishy washy. That's not what I'm paid to do. Fucking bill bell check true but then they were also players quoted saying that you know exactly where you stand with them which I thought was interesting except for the fact when he chooses matter to be upfront is wishy washy. Because he told blood cell that he would be allowed to practice and earn those reps and earned the starting status again. That was never the case and as recently as I think Mike Panel This past year was coming out saying that check was never upfront with them and it was just you know sort of a guessing game until he was caught whatever so it is funny that that's a valid stance. But he's not wishy washy unless he asked me well out of your mic. I don't I don't know if I agree with that. Because they also had Muslim Michael Bennett. And he said exactly ops like new executive studios complete transparent and say every time did I. I said you wanted to be the case. I mean Mabley strategic or is it just that it's up to the player to decide how to react to bell checks demeanor. Maybe I don't know the right word there would be. I don't know I mean I I've just repeatedly will bledsoe said. He said that he had a conversation with check. Ballot check said that he would give them the opportunity to win his job back and then the next week he named Brady Starter. So I'm just looking at it from the perspective. Now maybe he was a little hard about it. Maybe is feelings were hurt. I mean I player so that he was very angry. That's all understandable but I'm just saying what he said man. This is what happens when we articles. That's true yeah I bring you the news but it is kind of funny to look back at some of these articles that these people are riding at the time knowing what we know now I can ramble a Bob Duffy. Getting Super Pissy about it before the game and then afterwards having to kind of like eat their own words Dan. Shaughnessy being miserable prick about it. Now shocking I will say I reading another article that you put up and it said again this is in line with wishy washy or not now Or being upfront with players or maybe them having interpret what he says but instead of the Patriots have had more grievances filed against any other team in the NFL in the past two years and that was like before. All of this recent stuff. This is going back to two thousand one. Baby I mean yeah I bel- check was installing his system. And we're happy about it. Although I do wonder how many of those grievances were just from Terry Glenn. He popped up a couple of times. Yeah I mean there was one article after the game about basically Glenn done tear glands done in New England because with US mark to write one of those angle hurts or whatever. Yeah have the CO right here. So it's the wide receiver said. He came back to the team. Ready to play against San Diego quote. But the other side didn't give an inch and his hamstring started hurting. So do you WANNA play again? This season the guy interviewing I'm asked and his response was. I did want to play for them again. He said that's D. I. D. But I don't think I'll be your next season. I don't care from films football team as directly if he was if he wasn't playing because he wasn't getting his money. Glenn said maybe I'm not getting paid and my hamstring hurts smile. So Yeah Yeah. She's definitely a little bit but it is funny to as we go through this season to kind of see that whole scenario played out. Yeah this feels like officially because we were talking about earlier that you know you remember the whole saga but we don't remember how it ended and this feels to me like this week. Specifically this is the beginning of the unacceptably. We haven't actually heard about him in the past couple of weeks now fast you episodes like there just hasn't been any news on him. Everything was pretty quiet. I thought Oh maybe that's how it goes out just like any more. We asked that question to we. Don't know what was the question. If if Terry Glenn go to people. I think that he probably did craft. I mean he was on the team. Although a quick Google search now shut up you would have got him like a hundred thousand dollar ring at the end of the year. Here we go. I think you might have still bid for EPA found an article from February eight two thousand and two entitled Glenn Says He Would Take Super Bowl ring if offered controversial wide receiver. Terry Glenn that he probably does not deserve a ring in Super Bowl champion New England patriots but except one if offered that's ridiculous whereas irving ring can work to the guys who are out there and won the Super Bowl. Of course. Not Glenn told the Boston Globe happy for those guys. They're my friends but I felt like I was still part of that organization. I did play some of this year before the rings were handed out or after February. Two thousand federal way to the February two thousand and two Dave handed out then. No I don't think so February. Two thousand two right. Yeah that would have been whatever. The rings are usually like the ceremonies. Way Down the line. Isn't it summer it? Yeah so I wonder wonder if you did. And now that they won the Super Bowl. Why bother with me? He said just reached a settlement. I don't even care about the money. Let's let's just break it off poor guy what's up with wide receivers different breed. They've always been kind of that me. I diva mentality. That's always been the stereotype right. Keyshawn Johnson writing a book called throwing the Damn Ball Right. Tarallo doing working out in his driveway during the off season. I mean we follow the Antonio Brown thing up until now but I guess now looking a little bit worse than me. We sort of alluded to the fact that it could go either way but Certain Tony Brown has Got INTO SOME TROUBLE. Yes not looking great so again for those that are listening. You probably know the outcome Speaking of trouble players the star of this offense of the saints game was Ricky Williams. Ricky Williams. Yeah definitely a funded. I did love how the commentators commented on his small hands and how that contributed to him not being able to catch the ball or how many fumbles he had poor guy while the things he has tiny but after the game the page that you did a good job of stopping him which doesn't surprise me or what but I just I feel like I had this reaction every time I saw him get the ball of like the clenching. The we talked about every time I'd see drew bledsoe draw back on third down Where you just feel like he kind of tore the pages to bits. But I don't know if that was when he was with the dolphins the other of you remember. I'd just I had lives like Shit. What'd you say? Six when he was with the dolphins yeah hits priority is what was he the part of that dolphins team that ran the wildcat. That's what I couldn't remember. Yeah OKAY OUR COUSIN. Mcgaw say probably not. Yeah I mean Ricky Williams though had a interesting career so that that guy was fun to keep tabs on it was. It was other than that on offense was Joe Horn who went to the pro bowl at a decent year. Didn't you must Mr Cell phone where he only had one cell phone stashed in the goalpost so if he scored the opposite end. That wouldn't work. Which is Great? That's gotta be the best. Td Celebration of all time right. Arrange Moss pretending to to moon the crowd personally. Yeah which I don't know why was it. Joe Buck that was like what he was. Yeah come on. Don't get me started on Joe Buck Michael. All right you know. They made rules after after. Joe Horn pulled that cell phone. All right they're like nope that's like. That was the season I think. 'cause was him in on. Yeah Yeah because he was he pulled a sign out of the snow said. Nfl please find me so they find him for it right. Who's alive for you? Runs Teo Nie on Cowboys Star? Wake him just like posing. There gets tackled that was. That's my deductible Dallas crate he proposing to the cheerleader of the popcorn. He's right yeah he was he was he was on his game too though. Some not as good anymore. It's a shame I mean some coordinated ones are okay but I don't know oh I didn't even think ti still on this game and he's still got some good ones making the cowboys solid piece. Not as tears. Yeah to be fair that season the celebrations. We're getting a little weak Ocho. Cinco had the rowboat thing where he's paddling like football like things were making sense after a while. I mean you run out of ideas but you gotta keep doing something score and Barry Sanders and just give the ball back. Like you've been there before but I feel the joe horns cell phone email. That's got to be up there and in recent news he also got caught in his scam about that healthcare scam. Oh you're part of that part of that. I feel like we've touched on that reason. That was a couple of players as well with Clinton was in there. Think yes yes yes. That's who it was angry. She called law. Well that is a collection of of names shit. Just it's the news. Yeah sure let's see. Who Else is on this team? Did you know the names? Sammy Knight was on this team and apparently he was the playmaker. I don't remember him. I don't really remember him. But as a strong safety he led the team in both interceptions fumble returns fumble recoveries and tackles from the strong safety position. That would never happen anymore. Although if you're leading your team in tackles from the safety position that's usually not a good sign for which is weird because has supposed to be like the defensive coordinator gas. He thinks his defense will be the strong point of his team. But it wasn't. I had no idea who their quote unquote lockdown corner was. He had kept talking about him through the whole game but remember his name. Yeah I don't remember. Maybe because they talked about him early like Oh they picked them up from somewhere and he was supposed to be this. Really good defensive back. Eve's wasn't that great before I go through injuries or something but this year he really stepped it up. And he's He's become a shutdown CAU- corner. Let's see Fred Thomas an might be? So let's the Sammy Knight and Jay Bellamy with a safeties. Kevin Mathis and Fred Thomas where the ads for Thomas to Arginine and he's GonNa Cover Troy Brown and his game in troy browse going to have a tough time with them and he didn't or did he know. Yet it's a ninety one yard touchdown or would you just ruined the whole game. Everybody I mean we're this far. Have Brown game. Yeah this was. This was quality brown. I will say Leroy Glover on the saints by the way I remember him in view is kind of a beast. I remember him just for his name. La- Roy with the apostrophe and glover which sounds like a glove and very remember Willie Roaf. Willie Roaf Yeah. I remember that all you but signi big fat offensive Lineman Guy. I mean Meatloaf your browser where there wasn't those jokes in there. Actually they they had one pun about Ralph. But I don't remember it wasn't it wasn't very good said did you touch on Boo Williams. That is you wrote it down. I wrote down Williams but the the note that I had on here. If we're GONNA pull that the Komo no aside is a great name mediocre tight end. Did you know who he was before I wrote his name down? Well no was that time that I didn't now that's what I thought I right. Get the game. How what did you think of the game? I thought it was a strong start for sure for the Patriots. I feel like the Patriots have had strong starts this season kind of generally and then they faded the end which is very unpatriotic these days while funny. You mentioned that because They were mentioning that the Patriots scored. I nine out of eleven times so far that season pretty impressive it is. I don't know I thought they kind of put it away. In the end of the beginning of the fourth quarter drive touchdown radio true. Jeez talking about journey guys Bro. Like forty five minutes into this podcast on his way down. We gotta talk about the first drive babies. All right talk about that I drive. You can do it if you like four or five plays of it. It wasn't very long because it one two three ended with the forty one yard screen pass to Anton Smith that play call was tremendous. Oh great time after it. It's one of those plays that I feel. You don't see enough. That kind of rolls out to one side. And then it's the kind of the throwback screen to the other side to the empty field and on this play it was Antwan Smith and to offense of linemen on one half the field just them and there was nobody else out there. I think the the two the two blockers got what twenty thirty dollars feel before they hit anybody and it was like Bo safeties. The only ones that had to come all the way back across the only ones that had any sort of angle on the play and they will get blown up by by the down. Didn't Brady like throw blocking that. Plays well was that you know. He's on the field but he did throw block sometime. He did he. It was when they tried to run her averse and they had him out there as lead blocker. But it got blown up in the backfield. Antoine Smith just ate the ball and didn't pitch. That's right that's right which I thought was smart. I would like to see him toss it. I thought yeah. He was hemmed him. But I thought pattern had. Yeah then you know they would have fucked up though to prime fuck it up. Spot this game and in the sink. On that first touchdown like balls Anton Smith catch. He's like Sony. Yeah he he wasn't a big pass catcher. Just in general I like Kevin Faulk and they got burned on that. You like come on guys what do you do? Of course it's GonNa be a screen you don't expect the Spanish inquisition or the screen. Pass to Antoine. I will say Viteri in the ensuing kickoff in every kickoff probably this entire year sucked at a getting. It passed the twenty nine. Yeah I mean he's never really known for that. Yeah I feel like you've never really known for his booming kickoffs and the Patriots always seemed to try to not kick cutbacks. Unless it's a really dangerous with Gas Kaczynski is like he puts it at the one. That's Harry puts in the fifteen. That is true. Yeah gives them a running start right office further at? Oh you're right. Steve Breath a little something. It's all so yeah and I think there was an article in one of the the Globes days about how you can't really blame out of an interior because his kick coverage team is is God. Awful was the gist of it. And I don't know I fully agree with that because I think it's all into play but I am surprised how bad this kick it. Just the special teams in general are just because Belgium's hasn't got his scheme fully implemented or what's going on but it is kind of surprising because last game there was a comment about how the rams and the Patriots where the two worst kick coverage teams in the League and yet somehow they both end up going to the super bowl spoiler alert. I couldn't stop that one guy. Sorry I had deuce mcallister turn kicks either. Use Super Good in this game. Yeah well that's kind of all. He did on this saints team. He was he was the third. Yeah well he was the third leading. Rusher this team behind. Obviously really Ricky Williams and so under one hundred yards wasn't yeah he did yeah. His stat line was actually pretty legit. He finished season. Ninety one rushing yards but had a long fifty four. Doesn't he like he must be good on in his career? Then because I remember deuce being pretty solid I think you're right. Yeah I think so too. I think Then he going to play with his with another back. Eagles Eagles I think no. Maybe not Brian West and Kamera with deuce mcallister and somebody else than New Orleans. The young put out there that we're not experts on any of this so anything that we say it could potentially be completely inaccurate. Nothi Brown nailed it out this season. Deuce mcallister ran for thirteen hundred. Sixty nine hundred and then just over three CS and your fucking face. Mike Injured lured disclaimer. Out after your because while that we've already covered that in a let me rephrase anything that Andy says it's probably bullshit because he doesn't know what he's talking about is that better Steve. Now good answer. This is starting off. Well how good film hour and fifteen. Now if you didn't where are you guys getting these numbers up way late? Sorry my monitor was broken guys. Sorry God you're late. One time a half hour. Everybody loses their shit. Well you were so late that my headphones what does that. You're on a Bluetooth. I was Oh boy is a great conversation. All right so the other thing we talk about is the kicker which we didn't touch on before because John Carney on the season missed three field goals the entire season two of them were in the first quarter of this game one. He missed a longer kick. I think on the Louis three or four Andy. Mass only professionals. I don't do but anyways. Yeah you're right to this goals. Yep and one of them was blocked by our boy Richard Seymour Cottam right. That's all right. Although of an Atari missed one as well so rough day for the kicking game yeah I feel like we can Chagas. Will maybe up to the the weather with the wind and the rain but I feel he's been a terrier hasn't been as automatic this season as I remember him being. You know you remember him just like never missing a kick. Yeah he's actually quite a few in the season. I think it happened after the two thousand one season for some reason I mean. Did we say that his career number before this was like seventy nine percent or something like that? They aren't great. Yeah so something clicked. Eventually steroids allegedly allegedly. But anyways the rest of this game we could pretty much fast forward to Right before halftime because seven nothing pats but for like a seven nothing game. They look really good. Was it thirteen oven well. Same before the half before that Dr Seven. Nothing until about a minute and a half less than a game. I mean a minute and a half left in the half and seven. Nothing third touching thirteen. Yeah THEY WANNA learn off in saying. I'm saying up until that drive guys seven. Nothing gay how they went into the half up twenty to nothing. You're right you're fucked up all right. Well let's fast forward to that driver. It's thirteen nothing. I don't know what you guys take over. You guys a flustered me. What's going on. I mean you missed the the Brady touchdown pass to Troy Brown. Where afterwards the that was the one. But it wasn't you boy can. Walter was holding the extra point. Your punter there and kind of when he the snap was highs ricotta like in his chest. You kind of fumble putting it down. And then adamantly didn't get them quick enough. It's like fuck it and just pull. It ran all by himself. Yeah I don't know what that was and got lit the fuck up. You're right I apologize. You're right because then there was a a bunch of like Back and forth here like everybody going three out. I know that like the game was like there wasn't a lot of action but the pats looked like they were dominating. Yeah it did. Yeah because the the pats were winning the battle of field position even when they weren't scoring they were even. They're punting there they were downing the ball inside the five yard line. Every time The Saints Get out of their own ends with either. Some random amazing catch deep passes on him to get to like the fifty and then like sputter. You Miss a field goal back or whatever but then like you said right at the end of the half. The first play of the drive Brady is the one that Steve was talking about earlier. Brady guts hit from behind and gets like is that snap back of your head that Ucla and all the those nfl greatest hits VHS tapes. Remember those and there was just all of those like quarterbacks getting blinds is all they were and it that type of hit and Brady lost the ball. But somehow the pastor covered it didn't even look should have And then they run a couple of plays and that was right. Antoine Gets like a bunch of yards on both plays like ten fifteen yards on each place. It gives them like midfield. So they're like all right. Is I think. Thirty seconds left at this point. And they're just going to start airing out. Try Go on with a touchdown and Brady fines was his name Charles. Johnson is that right yeah. I think Charles Johnson's only touchdown from Tom Brady. But it was an Abso fucking laser. Those one of the best raspberries ever made a few like over the linebacker between the safety. And the cornerback. Amdo was was minute was amazing trial and see. Maybe I want to jump the gun here. So yeah so. I guess I need a twenty nothing so it's thirteen nothing but what I did. WanNa point out of about that Dr Outside of that wage crazy laser to Johnson was on that drive Brady was rolling out to the left. He was Roy ads of the right at one point on. Tv's diving for first downs. Along Past David Patten an touchdown of Johnson so I felt like that was a statement dry for the year. I called it the drive of the year. Up to this point rule I would agree with that Because I think they the only other one that I can think of off the top of my head would be the one against San Diego to tie it at the end of the game but his first comeback win. I think this was his statement of not fucking around here. I'm not overwhelmed. I belong in the NFL. I am a starting quarterback with thing. Yeah and it was. It was amazing with eight seconds. Left drive of the whole season right up to this point up to this point. I don't know what to come the turning point. I'll give you that. I mean it was pretty amazing for anybody who has access to that drive. It is pretty textbook and Tom Brady had that. That one long run too I was. I feel like I was surprised at how active Brady was in the run game in this game like he was taken off. If there's nothing open wasn't getting very far because he's not fast but At one point four quarter. They called a design quarterback draw on here. Brady looks like a baby. Deer running. Looks like a newborn deer. Running just hasn't quite forget house. Legs work yet. Yeah Yeah and one of the plane's rolling out he must have ran like forty yards before. Gaining eight is one of the longest runs of his career. Amazing Tab but I think because of that all and I think both anouncement had a really good running game two in this game crushed him and that opened up the the Tom Brady patented play action I think my favorite one that I forgot that I don't think they run it much anymore. But that they faked the pitch and then he kind of spins her our quicken throws a quick slant to whoever it is that players right that used to be a staple. I thought I remembered I. I saw it in this game like oh I love that play. But I don't remember that and they don't run that really anymore at least not that way. Write a letter to Charlie Weis. Tell them to bring it back. Yeah but the one play that they did run which I think has been kind of the bread and butter was the direct snap. Play to Kevin Faulk Did you see that one? And the favorite part of that player was Tom. Brady dropping back to pass without the bond hands and it fooled like the entire defensive line like they're all rushing field to get some and Kevin Fox like four or five yards. Downfield the one where the announcers were like freaking out at how much he sold that. Yes it never seen it before looking this kid. He's actually he's pretending to hold the ball. What come should also have you heard of either bees commentators but they were fine. They were fine but they did. Leave me very confused. Okay was that we're GONNA do this. Yeah we can do it man. I I to every week but these guys I mean Bill. Maas especially fantastic. Yes Oh look. Introducing further. Sam Rosen and Bill Moss. I've never heard of me neither. He had some pizzazz. Apparently in one of the articles. On that you had posted people were not happy with him because The the article said that the police was out to get him because he said that the wind line was winning in the trenches and they thought that that was a military reference and that was too risque so he had flack about that. So it's interesting because we think that everything's incendiary now but he was getting flak for making a military reference which I thought was like common terms. Oh yeah but again. I don't know anything. The amount of military terms in football lingo is eighty percent of all football terms. Yes bomb all of it. That wasn't even part of my football football because I figured in the trenches was just a sort of metaphor. Yeah pretty easy to figure out okay. he also said this. That was funny because ever since they said Kyle Turner of the same to anger management. The whole team has gotten a little saucer and he starts laughing and then other announcer discos. Maybe to a redoubt in the game before when they're playing the rams in the locker room and like throwing a bunch of Shit and it be on the team. Yeah you talking somebody. I didn't quite follow what you're talking about. But yeah somebody was like breaking shit in at halftime or something like that and they came back and won the game or something talking about. Wow Yeah I don't know about bill. Maher is is very close to Brent Jones in my opinion but we been we. We can go down my list if you guys want. I'm I guess the first question would be so he said see. Bruschi number fifty four at the bottom of the pile down there. There's a lot of banging going on. What is that football football football? I think the bang talking about his banged pads together. Probably Bang their bodies together Wait Yeah but if you're at the bottom of a pile though why hasn't the collusion already happened or I'm confused about that. Yeah I think I think that's why he's at the bottom of the piles because he did a lot of banging. Oh he's talking about process of the pile happening I think so now. He's actually down there. I'm I'm guessing yes I don't want to speak for. I don't WANNA put words his mouth but that's my assumption. Okay Steve Now it could be either way. Okay thank you for that. The next one he wants it all the time and if you don't give it to him often enough he kinda gets his down a little bit and then becomes ineffective his dubber with the context of this. I think I remember. It was about Joe Horn. Yes it was about Joe so Joe Horn getting his daughter down. What is everything is if being honest that that might be a Dick Joke Dr Arena? I mean he was because he was talking about like you need to feed him. Football's or else he turns into Randy Moss and gets his daughter down and so I think he's. He's probably just gets a hard on for getting catches because that's weird 'cause like he wants it all the time if you don't give it too often enough. County gets downright which kind of makes sense that he becomes ineffective yet. We'll see there. You go so. I think the first part is about getting football's And now you're part you think is is addictive. I think so all right. Yeah E. I mean Domas Elva Gabe next one Maybe now that you guys said at halftime thing. Maybe it makes a little bit more sense of this quote by. He said about this game. I wish we had a camera in the Saints Locker Room at halftime. I'd like to see that you know would have to be one of those cable channels to watch. What the hell. Now I guess I kind of get it but at the time I did maybe. He's talking about the swearing. Yeah deficit can't swear on network television Kenya okay. So that's what he wanted to see in the Locker Room. Maybe or maybe maybe he thinks it's WWe sort of style should being thrown around. That's pay per view right. I think so. I don't know for sure. Yeah so all right so I guess that's football in the last one I don't know Two men coming hard Bruschi and Malloy two men coming hard brisk Bruschi and we've been over this coming hard and the whole no filling the whole. Now he's talking about the whole which I guess we've talked about putting juice in the hole which I've got two men coming. I haven't heard that one yet. They're coming hard to fill the whole running very quickly to come. Fill out whole because the defenders. Yes all right. It's recall Steve. Yeah that's that's pretty much it. Thank you guys for helping me out there. Very welcome Bill Mazar. He did have himself quite the game. There's one part where he was legitimately arguing with the referees. Yeah love the on the because also like anti he was like stop fastened appears he's like stupid as ramps because one of them was It was on a punt and I think Gerard Cherry stepped on Mike. Got Back into the field of play and down the ball the one and the refs as as the ref is explained that he got a bit. He's no no. He did not reestablish lil yelling at the TV. As if he's me watching the TV I literally show the replay afterwards where he got like you have to get to and you got like four steps in the well. Maybe I hope we get on the end and Airbus exciting. He did also have. He went on a rant about the defense. Having twelve guys on the field you see that should be held even if they get. Oftentimes the twelve guy gets off the field in time because the defense the offense isn't GonNa know who's blitzing won't one you don't blitz every play and to the offense like I mean he's at a point if you have twelve men in the huddle on offense as an automatic penalty before you can even break the huddle it's true. But defense don't have huddles so doesn't quite count and the reason he was to stop you from putting everybody on the field and then having enough guys run off so that the defense can adjust put their personnel on right house. It's the offense that's dictating the personnel. In the field of the guy running off the field is is pretty sure. I think you're right but hey let's give it up so Bill Moss. Great clapping on a podcast. That's that's going to really good all right. You guys have anybody else. You WanNa talk about. Think I mean you know. After Dr of the year it's all downhill from there. I mean I would say that New Orleans made it pretty good push. It was twenty seven seventeen at one point. Yep Yep they they. At the end of the third quarter it was twenty to ten. They pulled it back within ten a couple of times but every time they did the patients who just drive down the field touch that that lasts a shower. Antoine's method is ranked all time. And then if you notice right when he scored from the two yard line or whatever it was like the entire offensive lineman all at the same time put up their arms like that one of the on that. I mean they had one hundred one hundred ninety three or something like that are running out and Brady almost had three hundred hundred passing and four touchdowns so they were firing all offense of cylinders. They're Noonan had one hundred ninety. One Yard rushing and two hundred and fifty eight yards passing for touchdown I did like the staff that I like the stat. That basically said that New Orleans allowed forty five yards of You know whatever run games run? Plays up the middle the entire season up to that point so forty five yards up the middle and then that Game Antoine Smith Guy. Seventy five yards up the middle so he almost double that is crushing them. All right. Let's do some best and worst. Mike you want to go. I talk about this game. It was great. I mean the first half was unbelievable. So and that drive really pumped me up. I mean it was definitely a taste of what was to come absolutely Let me see. Let me see best and worst here. I'll start off with my worst. The announcers were having trouble the difference between David Patent and Troy Brown the entire game. They're blaming it on the dirty jerseys. I don't I don't know I don't know if I like that kind of bothered me. So that's my worst and then my best was actually from the. It was hearing that. Brian Cox was running at warm-ups after breaking his leg early in the season yes so. That's pretty amazing. I don't know what he was taking steroids but Yeah he rubber earlier earlier episode. We mentioned something to the fact of We didn't remember what happened. Cots and he probably would not return But here we are six games left. I believe five games and A. They're talking about him coming back playing against the jets. Yep No that was the that was. That was exciting to see. Actually that ties into mine. But Steve You go you do your first The best was that Brady throw on. That third touchdown. Yeah as awesome and have like a worst for the saints. Pick that Aaron Brooks through. Where like somehow? He didn't see me literally standing three yards in front of him and throws it right at me just like sit up in the air. If pleasant gets it wasn't great like out. I don't know how do you he's literally stealing. Bravo me Fox at its base trying to stop the ball on the basis of deflecting. It up do that a couple of times. He hit a he hit variable right between the five and the Jersey that should have been a pecking enable was even think coverage. He was coming around like a stunt right in the chest and my peaches for us. Was Tyler just absolutely torch by Joe Horn on that long deep ball? When their dad he'd Beth Game Noor joined us Ran Straight and is absolutely burn and if like rooks had not thrown at terribly. Cloudy six out of it yet. But he made the catch and The called for P. I anyway was on him while he caught. The ball doesn't credible catch regardless. But Yeah Yeah wasn't didn't Blau. He just puts more air into that ball. Joins gone. Yeah Oh yeah that's true. All right So my best was Brian Cox talking to the media after the game Before the game talking about The quarterback controversy and the the global is according to the injured linebacker. There's no quarterback controversy in New England. Only immediate core looking for trouble in capital. Letters would never be a controversy like this any other town according to Brian Cox. Oh No this is fucking boards writing of course. Ono quarterback controversies exists. Only in foxborough never in places like New York or Chicago which are among Cox's previous playing addresses. Not like this Cock said. This is real foolish. You guys are trying to undercut bill. He's trying to make a decision. That's best for the team. You guys don't know the situation. I don't think it would be as bad in New York. So the media here not capable of making the choice of who should be the quarterback. They don't know they don't see the tape. The CAN Brian Cox coming out here. And he's Got Bilbao checks back. Plus I'd say a lot because he did come from those places so if he thinks the media even worse is your is better than the boss. Me saying something. Brian Troy Brown also. This isn't this cap tied and e kind of handle it similarly where in the article it civil article say Troy Brown the Patriots senior in top receiver rolled his eyes when he looked up from his locker and saw Media Posse. Swarming him wanting to talk. Why Bell chose they were kind of on the same page. It seemed like the only people that were up in arms about it were media which is still playing out to this day with the the bledsoe decision making stuff which again probably sorted out by the time. Listen to this but don't spoil it for the rest of us Let's see my worst was Was Ricky Williams after the game. Talking about how he thought he had a game and how the he didn't think the the pages even stopped him. So he only ran for ricky lists leasing in yards. I think the NFL personally NFC right. Yeah in rushing yards. And he was up there in total yards. While the second in total yards from scrimmage. So they're talking about asking about you know He. The Patriots held him to fifty six yards and a touchdown on fifteen carries so like not great especially for the leagues where the NFC leading rusher right. This is the quote from the article so naturally Williams was asked. If this was the toughest defense countered all season. He looks incredulous that his saints cap almost spun around front words and the tidy gold studied nearly fell out of his nose. You being serious. He said his is wider than any of the whole he tried in vain to find. They're not even close and it goes on an odd about how he doesn't think that the Patriots did anything special and he baby. His his argument was that because the Patriots so far he didn't get enough carries to do anything which I mean healing on fifteen carries but still. He didn't do much but he was also talking shit about Willie mcginest to was like one of the main reasons that he wasn't running so It was for instance. There was the way he and fullback. Terrell Smith positively manhandled linebacker. Willie mcginest who merely anchored the bottleneck for three quarters before leaving with injury quote McGinnis. It's two hundred seventy pounds said Williams. Tyrrell ME ARE LOT SMALLER. But we stood up to the challenge. We smashed his mouth for a whole fifty cents fifty six. They were tough yards and was coming at him because the defense is coming hard at him so I enjoy regret. I forgot how entertaining he was but I think not a great look after getting again. He is smoking a lot of this time. As Life's Oh yeah. Give him a little leeway here. You think he'd be a little bit more laid back about it and I believe at induced. Maybe he's seen things. We don't know smoke Greasy Brown. What can we do you? I mean not as good as Ricky Williams can afford. I Guess Not Jesus. Started Greg about that. He's the Lilly quit the NFL to go round the world smoking weed living in the mountains with some groups or something. Nag fucking afford it. Couldn't he got respect until about ran out if you remember? The comeback made immense to Willie after he got like super high with Buddha Came Back Williams hearted definitely it? It seems like the forgiving type so I'm sure it was aright allowed about wraps up for this one next week. We had to look forward to the pages. Traveling to is officially called giant stadium to visit the New York jets. Don't even have their own home but New York jets. That started this whole thing really. So would this be revenge game more we will find next week. We'll find out I just want to say I apologize for being out of hand. Earlier guys My notes got a little jostled and I was incorrect again and I just want to apologize for taking it out on you guys and I'm sorry you know what apology accepted. We still love him. I don't think that Andy we as in me and the listeners. Okay and cancel them in there with uncalled-for upon us. Hey we're we're we're a positive positivie podcast here. I'm working on it. We're not anybody except for Greg. Not here Fuck Greg. Yeah Greg Segment William. Maybe he'll be here next week. And we can say to his face until then autograph ground. No Greg brave amused and I love Greg Brown folk Mike. Oh crap. I think my apology back on that. Now Jesus Christ.

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2001 Week 6: Patriots @ Colts

Patriots Dynasty Podcast

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2001 Week 6: Patriots @ Colts

"This is Christine Brown. And while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty you have the choice not to my sons and of course. Michael sometimes say some naughty things trying to be funny but really just being stupid. You still want to listen. Go RIGHT AHEAD. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Patriots. Dicey podcast in two thousand one week. Six moving along with us today. We chained up bet. And don't have Mike Today but we do have brown brothers Greg and Steve and also you may have heard Kelley flags how you guys do it. I'm doing great so I was asking Kelly. Good Steve. How're you can fantastic? Yeah you sound fantastic especially with that heavy breathing for that know. This is quality radio. Can't wait to edit all this out to be lot easier women's just me and Mike. I'm not way when did you? When did you do just light blast two weeks? We've still been going. This is still been happening when really well. It's actually pretty good. Good idea that we catch up a bit actually because our listeners may need some of that as well now that we're kind of getting through the season so last time we had you guys on was the first colts game right. Brady first start when a surprisingly blew out the colts but Brady really didn't do much after that patients went down to Miami and did what they always do. A Miami and got their ship pushed in by Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas and the Miami Defense. They beat the hell out of Brady and they got run over by Lamar Smith that his name The old school dolphins running back. Who looks just like Anton Smith but in a dolphins uniform so that I wouldn't say miss that game. I don't think I'd watch that ever again. That'd be fine but last week was against the then. San Diego chargers that had your edging and join us. It had on defense had junior CEO that middle linebacker peak junior CEO and also Rodney Harrison. Playing safety which I don't know if you could say that was peak run here but it was one of his peaks and then at quarterback was hometown. Boy Doug Flutie. Ooh That's right. Yes yes with his his tyler. Ask Backpedal every time. He took a snap under center sprinted backwards. I've never seen anybody puts so much effort into everything. He was drew brees before drew brees in terms of how much every puts into every throw and even like when he's in the shotgun and he's like lifting his foot to get the snap. He's like stopping The Majesty. One hundred ten all the time. I don't know if you knew this. But he's actually from Massachusetts. The commentators mentioned it a couple times. Did he play like BC and he threw a hail Mary needing my needham or something like that. I can't remember exactly what they said he was from but they said it a bunch that he went to Harvard. No that's Ryan Fitzpatrick fucking Brockton. Merida's one of those that you have to say with the boss next walk all day. We'll hop Oh yeah oh yeah. That's right where they actually posted a info graphic of his record in the state of Massachusetts. None of them were Patriots Games. But the game was as you're really going because it was the first one brady actually was the reason they want it me and Migra talking about how the even though we knew all I knew what the actual score was he goes in not knowing apparently but I knew that the Patriots won this and there was like eight minutes left at the end of the fourth quarter. And they're down ten points. I'm like I think I may be watching the game I. I don't think they win. This but brady pulled it out in the end. Drove down fourth quarter touchdown and then driven down again to score the game. Winning Field Goal. Adamant Terri few weeks ago entrance to Tom. Brady crank the BLEDSOE getting the. I'M GONNA come clean here. Guys dissemble I watched the Rajin watched you Balkans game. I have a lot of notes on the Jay. Fiedler heard me bringing up with Adrian called. We'd say yeah. I don't know if you'll need them but Stephen driving this one David data game. It was a yeah. This is like the first game that I remember from the season. I don't remember that chargers game at all. No I didn't really realize it. Either or Glenn touchdown catch yes all year it. It was the first game of the year. Yep He was back and then he pulled a Hammy in practice the week before this game and travel with the team in all sorts of bullshit going on about how yeah he can actually maybe he can play or maybe camping travel with the team. And maybe he'll play with the injured Hammy and the Patriots said Fuck it so great from. Yeah actually do so. Jp Lousy at Dartmouth Grad Yup elected He's a hall of Famer Adamant about that. Excuse me in the National Jewish Sports Hall of fame. Okay when a deep dive must be slim pickings. Apparently yeah apparently he was like that was like a lot of his reputation was how he was Jewish and good at all and Chris. Berman used a column fiedler on the roofs. Which is always was about Jewish people? I mean I've heard of fiddler on earth but added input that with Jewish people. Either into I. also I also went down a little rat on Jewish journal Dot Com. Okay and he was the title of the article. Is Jay fiedler? The second best Jewish quarterback ever number. Walken I am on pins and needles needing to know who's number one seeds Lachmann. Oh yeah so sure also There was an interview in the article and they asked him Bradier manning and his answer was Brady. Ought to my book now Also he joined the Pro Volleyball Beach Volleyball Tournament in two thousand and eight after he retired. Fuck here competed in one. Tournament is all in one zero dollars. Those accord in there. It said either said. He practiced once for the match and otherwise. I'd only played volleyball at Summer Camps in gym class. Watts you spend reading Jay fiedler Greg Easily in two thousand and five him and Chad Pennington when they're on the jets at season ending injuries within seven plays each other. Oh I remember that. They brought a forty one year-old old vinny testaverde office couch. Yeah they did. That's amazing. Yeah that's all I have on this game. Well did you actually get to see any of Jay fiedler play and I remember? Well that's all you had. He was supposed to be. He was the next quarter of quarterback. After Dan Marino he has to be Marino's replacement Yup fucking wasn't he was. Okay well yeah a decent career. He could run around but the man had no awareness of where anybody else was on the feel when he was running. Yeah because that man took some fucking shots in the past game. You're saying is. He's the best dolphins quarterback they've had since Marino. A dare you chat like that. What about Cleo Lemon Ryan Tannehill? Thank you very much. Brock Osweiler Road Ryan Fitzpatrick. Who is the best quarterback that the jets or the bills or the dolphins have had since any of their just quarterback L. jets? Don't have a good quarterback Joe Namath. Joe Name I guess all right well how do you talk about the cave? Talk here about feel free to chime in whenever you want watching it right now. All right so we're talking about week. Six of the two thousand one season. And we've gotten to the first game that you can actually call by name. I think if you said the David Patten game to any pats fan who was around during the season they would immediately know which game. You're talking about so I think maybe we start there. Let's start with David Patten for those who haven't washed this game or became fans after this this season or anything like that This the reasons called the David Patten game is because he was the first player since Walter. Payton back in nineteen seventy nine to run catch and throw a touchdown. Pass well a touchdown in general. I suppose you don't run a touchdown pass and he did all in the first half of this football game and actually just over a quarter. It reads like a quarter and a half. He did a very quickly. Steve What did you think about David Patten did you? Is this something you remembered. Yeah this is the first game that I remember richness season and then we watching it on that Passing TD. He had literally the exact same play as the element. Dollah yes yes it was it was blocking front of it is the same setup and state route with Troy Brown being Amendola Yup crazy and I think the paths from both of those wide receivers was spot on. I don't know. Do we know if David Patten was a quarterback at any time his career? Because that's row was. It was a time frame brandon even break stride. He was just gone. Oh and you just dropped a write in his bucket. It was a perfect throw. And it's not like it was a short one either similar to to element was round like the fifty yard line or so. Yeah as they called it off. All three of those touchdowns are pretty spectacular in nature. Oh yeah absolutely but I was reading the The glove the Post Game Boston. Globe and one of the articles Charlie Weis and they were asking about the game plan and basically why so saying that? He knew that the colts would probably sell out or overreact. To Stop the RUN ON FIRST DOWN. Because the last time they met him they gave up. One hundred. Seventy seven yards on the ground so they decided to just take shots on first out. Basically every time in the first half. And so the first play from scrimmage was the reverse to counter that. You know overreaction. Selling out in the run and that worked for touchdown within the country. Now that though that's dead now that was that was frustrated because so yeah. Let's let's start from the beginning. The first drive again. Colts got the ball. I drove immediately down the fields. Which would do all game kind of petered out in the red zone and then went to kick what was basically a chip. Shot field goals. Twenty six twenty seven thirty yard field goal from Mike Vander jerk and he got a blocked and so the pats recovered and returned to the colts thirty. And then the first play. After that was the reverse for touchdown yeah I think yes. Oh what is I think it's just reverse because it was like a pitch to the left and then the reverse coming from the left to the right side. It's I think that's a reverse but I don't know what an end around is. I think that's just when the receivers coming and he get let let's just call it a double reverse because it sounds way more bad ass fair enough. So yes so. They scored on what we're calling a double reverse 'cause it's bad ass. And that was the first offensive play of the game for the Patriots which started on a colts. Thirty however touchdown. Yeah he was he was actually the lead blocker they pulled. I think it was the center and him and the two of them were the lead blocked on that play. A sigma cut that I put blocker in quotes in my notes. That best block of every Birdie Bro. You Watch him block now. He doesn't do any of that he like if you wash them block. Now it's exact can save. It gets in front of a guy who falls over. They have to jump over him and that slows down long enough. I could block. That's probably the only thing you can do better than him. Yes I would agree with that great awesome Brady to. I don't know he's gotten faster now but apparently I think I think we touched on it when you guys are in here but we looked it up and Brady. Invincible fork. Ran About the same forty time Yankee guy at work faster for them because he thinks he's faster but yeah so if you look up. Brady's forty was five point. Two eight seconds and we'll four forty was five point. Oh eight seconds was faster by two tenths of a second. Well I think those are expert. Fast the ball in play basketball and hard knocks. Oh yeah keeps calling out Kobe everytime he drives a shot. Pretty sure you call A. D. Vac at one of the biggest person conveyance out there. He's amazing but he's he's Nimble for a couple of interceptions and I think one of them he he had a what you could generally call. Juke move and then a stiff arm. Manza multitalented talking about acid at work. Then right who we will see eventually on this podcast but let's not spoil that this was basically how this game went at least in the first half. Wear the colds flu. Just waltz down the field getting to the reds like the the early Bendel break defense from the Patriots which was frustrating. A little bit but then as soon as I think they mentioned a static kind of only caught it briefly and I think they said that. The colts had scored a touchdown on every red zone possession. They had had up until that point in the season scored. Yeah yeah that's right. Yeah and then in this game they were one for like five or six. And they really. Yeah I when they went down and had to field goal blocked and which leads me to talk about. Mike Vander Jack. Watching this game with the earrings and everything. I looked at him and he looks like a nerdy football version of Dane Cook He. He is the football today and cook had both ears pierced or just one. I think it was both. I mean like my gut tells me it's both but I couldn't confirm that. Yeah No I. I had the same the same gut feeling I want on. And they never quite showed away like turned his head so you could see both of them. But I'm pretty sure it was both ears big fucking diamonds too. They weren't just like little things. They were like obvious. Kelly says that was like the thing back then. Double earings style expert. Shell tied all shirt instead. Category has no taste that. She's married to you around allegedly. Did you know that Vander Jack was on that movie. The garbage picking field goal kicking Philadelphia phenomenon with Tony Bell. He was the stunt double. Did you get a kicks blocked? Not Don't use a phenomenon. Well she wasn't in this game 'cause Not to spoil the surprise but of the five drives in the first quarter. The colts drove into the red zone. Three three on all three of their drives had three field goal tabs and had more of them blocked than actually made. Because on. So the pats score the touchdown Colton merely drive down the field and actually kick field goal in the pages go three and out which I think was the only time they did that in this game. All right here we go to coulter. Culture Gonna. Start doing their thing. Colt hit a deep pass to Harrison Marvin Harrison. Who I thought was a bit of a demon game. Every time he fell over he long off the field and then came back on like two plays later completely. Fine actually I have that stat that you're talking about Andy Arrow down. What is it? There were seven for seven on goes was when they got past that point in the season. So yeah so pretty good down because it was broken coverage and Harrison was wide open and I believe it was two Bucky Jones ran ass down and caught him at the three and literally horse. Tackle the shit out of them. The shit out of there are so many horse collars in these games. So that say the touchdown and but it set them up. Set up the colts it first and goal from the two. I think it was and like you said they. They had scored a touchdown every single goal to go possessions. They had all season the seven seven. Whatever it was and the colts go three now from. They're just like didn't look good. So pages hold them to a field goal and they're literally kicking a field goal from the two yard line and it gets blocked again and a look on Dane. Cook's face was amazing. It was up there with peyton manning which will get to. I think later this game off so many good many faces so right yeah and so it wasn't had said again. Banner Jacket drunk to that was room. Yeah is I kid. Thing between him and manning were their off-season calling each other out multi following the job. Yeah and they. They used to blame each other for also shit because well and they're like a playoff game against the steelers where he missed. What should have been the game winner? Yup Yeah when okay because it was the steelers. Were driving for a touchdown. They fumbled it and then like Rothlisberger ran the guy down and they had to settle for field goal and they missed it or some shit. Yeah founded they were down three and he missed field. Goal of forty will tie right right. Exactly yeah helmet on the ground. Hick Yard unsportsmanlike fucking useless So yeah so. He had to field goals blocked in the first quarter of this game and they set a stat where he up to that point he had had one hundred field goal attempts before this game and had had two of them blocked in those hundred kicks and then he doubled that today and look like garbage Even I was he. He was a good kicker right. Yeah Yeah because I mean. He couldn't even do kickoffs like his kickoffs would reach like the thirteen yard line like all of them are like that in this day and age why fought. Viteri was at least getting it like inside the five pretty much every time. Yeah every once in a while on the end but Printer Jack was even close on any of them So that's the end of the first quarter. Was THE BLOCK FIELD GOAL. So second quarter was couple of drives than in punts and then there's like feel possession game colts punt it and in the pages back on their nine yard line. My math is correct and I play is Brady Hidden. Hatton on the ninety-one-year touchdown which was at the time the longest play in Patriots history. Which I wrote it down somewhere. Is there any more between that one in the Welker One? Oh you're right. Yeah because the welcome one is now officially. It's the longest play get ninety nine yards. That's right yeah. I wonder if there's any like ninety two or three or four. I don't remember we'll probably come across them but I can't think of any off the top of my head. It cannot. Greg now comes to mind. Did you happen to catch the What the record was broken on that ninety one year? Pathway held up before it was a ninety yard touchdown from Tony. Eason to Craig James of people. Oh my goodness those are some those names. I suppose you guys are probably a little bit too young for those names but Running back maybe Craig James I believe. Yeah but Tony Eastern was supposed to be drew bledsoe before drew bledsoe. Basically right and fucking. Wasn't I think he was the one that got Manhandled in the Super Bowl against the bears back in the day. That guy so yeah so that was literally the first play of that drive so colts kickoff and I think that's I don't know that comes up soon. Get the ball back. Go three and out real ugly drive. You can tell that the Patriots defense is confusing the Shit outta manning and manny had a rough day in this. I think he ended up like decent numbers. Yes so if you look at the game sense. He actually did okay not the story of his career or what. Yeah definitely wait llamas. But I mean let's see in this game alone. Yeah Twenty to thirty four. Three hundred thirty five yards and a touchdown SACRA for four times and he had a fumble that we'll get to soon enough 'cause that was embarrassing but actually on the season they showed a stat that into this game. You thrown nine touchdowns and nine interceptions already. But I mean. He threw a handful of those. I guess in the week against the Patriots which two of those got return touchdowns and then I think. He threw three the week before this as well the end of the season. Pretty even like Wanda on or close to it. Yeah I think he was yeah. It was not a great look for him. But he he got He got aptly lit up in this game. Too will one plant in the second quarter where he like goes to scramble Any starts taking a couple of steps realizes. This is the wrong decision. Doesn't accurately slide blowing up. Start looking for someone to blame. Oh my God was constantly. Yeah because he got he got hit from the front and also somebody coming around the back apple manning which that one was and that was the hit I was talking about. It was for the manning which yeah because it's the hardest. I've ever seen him get hit and you could tell like he probably should've taken a playoff as you coming out real so and so let's let's not spoil as a prize but before that the colts had a three and out where it was. You know one of those things where manning I had no idea what his his seeing ghosts. Same Donald would say getting hit all over the place not really sure what's going on so they go three and out onto welbeck's patriots. The next play I down the culture looking for the run in the pages. Pull off the the trick. Pass the Brady to patent Brown touchdown on the first play of the drive so now already. Halfway through the second quarter the fifth drive of the second quarter pattern has completed his trifecta which is amazing but like we said already at the beginning The the throws an absolute diamonds. Drop right in the bucket and Troy Brad. I wrote and this like I've seen it before. Like on punts and stuff but he makes every catch that he makes just look easy. He's not even trying like he. Just okay awesome hint. Yeah but it's just like you just kind of like tosses hands out there right. The last second the balls drops in them even even puns. It looks like he's just catching on his hip without really try. You know must out against Miami. Though he did yeah and he made a comment after that game where because they had cut into the beginning of the game for some news announcement and they were telling him about that about how the game was on. Tv like was was my punt muff on TV. They're like yeah. We caught that. He's like damn so. Yeah so the Patriots. Go and I play from scrimmage trick play touchdown and then the colts get the ball back and on the kickoff drop it drop the kickoff get pinned at the two year their own two yard line start driving again and this is the one where with the manning which he gets absolutely plastered and and you can tell. He's hurt because I think actually one of the defenders got her to like it was pretty brutal collision so manning was able to. Kinda like recover while they're cutting off the Patriots defender so the next player they decide they're going to run. The Ball handed Agra James who immediately fumbles the ball back the Patriots so soft. Yeah well actually. I was the one that was ragging on for being soft in that last game. I think and I thought he actually played better this game. He was actually running through people making people miss. But I think that's probably has to do with implant the dome and it became a quick surface and all that but Yeah so page. Get the ball back immediately. They actually drive down the field get red zone. Instead of having their field goal blocked me decide to throw a touchdown play action brady to wiggins that very typical one that you've seen probably for the last twenty years now but Atlanta in the heavy set. Everybody plays run except for the tight end or someone like that. Who just kind of just a quick little in pattern and Brady does even look you just kind of fakes. The hand off spins around just trucks at towards the the back of the endzone just. You're very stereotypical patriots. Red Zone touchdown. They don't see anymore and then That's just about. The half. Colts had one last drive super sloppy But they managed to get into pads territory and just barely manage. Kick a goal so at the half are looking at twenty six and this game is fucking over the want to bring up about the that last drive. Though the colts is I think they were at a bit of a disadvantage because the play clock at the RCA. Dumb like this. I don't know if all the stadiums were this bad and we just don't remember because that's how it was back in the day but these stadiums were kinda hot garbage like the dome then like they had the shitty tarp but they their clocks like the game clock wasn't working through two and a half quarters like I finally got back on at the end of the third quarter actually heading for the fourth quarter but gamecocks. The time was just being kept by the referee on the field. Never once in a while ago like yours. Eight minutes left in the quarter. Yeah and I and I think that was part of partly to blame for the Colts. Like trying to drive down. Not Knowing how much time is left on the clock and all stuff. I calling Shitty timeouts when they have played tyler left or NAR calling timeout. Because they don't have the time they have left but it was just kind of a shitty all. I'm saying that happened at Gillette Stadium. There'd be something gate attached to it one hundred percent. Yep Yep the happen anywhere. In the age of social media people lose their minds yet another very true actually that they really would is so much more accountability. This stuff like that. Yeah I mean. I think it's I think it'd be more so with the Patriots though I mean you still hearing about headsets. Going out all over the place but the time at ever actually makes the news. When it happens in Gillette Omer podcasts. Who the fuck else is. GonNa do a podcast. Going back and rewatching patriots gained from two thousand slater. Andy later you destroyed just phone and nobody else's doctored. Footballs and bragged about it on TV. The podcast correct anyway. Yeah eating you can get back on when you become a home again. Yeah that's right. We don't have roof doubters on this podcast. Thank you very Kelly. Urine Jelly thoughts on deflate gate. Kelly said great. You're out I mean you didn't even watch the Game Greg. So what are you complaining about? I like in the last ten minutes. Geli so she's just as important just for that. Here's what I'm GONNA do. I'M GONNA come out and say that Tyler did not have a good game this game. How dare you? I'm Marvin have you me or yards Marvin Harris. I went off in this game. They only get seventeen points according to the scoreboard. That I'M GONNA. This is true but Marvin Harrison. Basically eight tyler off a lunch. His hamstring was acting up. He had a bad night's sleep the night before and Harrison. Still with all that against him. Although there were I mean I think it was a lot of scheme stuff because of the replays. The commentators didn't actually notice. I don't think because it wasn't as prevalent back then as it is now but there was a whole lot of what nowadays would be called. His offense pass interference with the crossers. Kind of like throw in a shoulder into the defensive backs ownership those a lot of that happening especially like The two minute drives and stuff like that so I think there's a lot of scheming to get Harrison. Open Ontai La but you still got lit up just in general. There's way more like we see now. The bounty that's a penalty. That's a penalty. Just Oh my God yes I'm constantly yeah So yeah so. We're at the half and then coming out of the half. They showed a couple of different stats. Which Kinda surprised me? The first was that the pats this year at at the half here Had outscored the colts forty eight to six in the first half of games this season which is usually would think it'd be other way because like hoping points but like that's really bad and the other one that was kind of the opposite. Was that so far this season. The pages have been outscored. Forty four to ten in the third quarter which is exactly opposite of what you would expect from Belgium team who especially nowadays kind of almost seemed to just be playing a little bit vanilla in the first half to figure out what adjustments need to be made they go in at half-time make adjustments come out and just absolutely put the screws to whoever they're playing but sounds like I found that interesting so I'm more about the clutch quarterback poll. They tried to put out there. I actually I took a screen shot of that the NFL DOT COM interactive poll. And it is. Your team. Has two minutes left eighty arse ago no timeouts in your down four points which. Qb Do you want leading your team. Here your options Camerino Brett Farve John elway Joe Montana Phil Simms or Troy Aikman and caveat. Here was no no which announced it was but he said just really now. We're not saying it's JOE or say not saying Joe Montana now of course. It's Joe Montana at his peak good clarification rice and era art on on Joe Montana. Oh Yeah Yeah. Because who are the combination this it was legal and Solomon Wilcox and I believe Somma Wilcox said something along the lines of Of Seen Him beat me in a super bowl in in a to drill. I'm take him or something like that. Where yes good. I've said that a few times. I don't know if you were there for such a move. He's done so far but yeah I mean you can't spell I a. n. and then say as I am. It's not it's Ian. Magin name in your especially in that Dade without like millennial names actually pronounced. That'd be like Steve Actually. Actually it's Stephan Ph like Stephen but I I know that usually this is the time where I will get riled up about the commentators but actually thought they were pretty good because there was one spot where they actually explain what cover two defense was which was actually really interesting and they kept coming back. You'd be like Oh so. That's the reason that Harrison was open midfield because the cover too and the safeties in. Split OUT WHY to cover guys over there and I thought it was actually interesting to hear something useful from football commentators. Yes there wasn't a lot of XS Arnott's back then no the definitely wasn't but so to hear that was actually released. I remember but to hear that was Kinda surprising in a nice way bald. There wasn't breaking it down on twitter after the game at all exactly. Yeah you didn't have Tony. Romo calling out what the play was going to be before it happened. Sort of thing. All these breakdowns are must watch. Good voice to your yeah. She loves him. Some off of line play loves it. Yeah but speaking of a Shitty commentating and collect back soon. They were saying the other night. that Seattle San Francisco game went into overtime Ohio. Russell Wilson was the most clutch quarterback playing in the game today. Who all you now? -rageous statement when like the police throwing take in Tom. Not the best quarterback whatever like skill wise undoubtedly the most clutch. I mean look what he did at the end of last season. And then just goes and throws it intersects over. I was like all right greg. Craig Back On the bandwagon. Roundup love it. That's better that's what we like to hear most walks playing in our. What an asshole garbage. Let's talk about the second half. This game I did actually watch even though not much happened The in the third quarter the kind of only real exciting thing was Harrison. Beating tight law on a corner fade for a touchdown the first touchdown and the only only touchdown the score here. Because what did they end up with seventeen? They went for two. I got it. Oh that's right. Yeah so because they kicked so after two and got it even though it didn't look like they did but I think that was just two guys helmet getting knocked off the heart so that was Kinda third quarter a couple of field goals happened. Nothing exciting Beginning of the fourth quarter was what I think was. Brady's play the game and actually ripped the highlight of it because Brady it was one of those Brady avoiding pressure in the pocket. But just by taking a couple of steps here and there And he stepped. Up to the line of scrimmage and realized that he was real close to it and so but he had troy brown running downfield. He's assail like the fifty and he checked it to the goal. Line standing like straight up with his feet side by side so we didn't even get to throw into it. These WANNA go. Over the line of scrimmage there's kind of like lean back and just huck football fifty yards like just from a standstill with not even putting his body into it and that got called pass interference because the ball kind of hung a little bit which is fine because he of the way through it and so the past got the ball to and then brady throws another play action touchdown to David Patten this time. Which was that almost the exact same play. But it was David Patent on the slant instead of a tight ends lined up tight but it was the quick play action spin around. Just hug it it. I think Brady just aims for the the goal post and just expect his wide receiver to be right there at the time because it doesn't really seem like as I've timed actually turn around locate who throw a two and actually place. It used to be but it ends there every time. A snag too so I was wondering how Tall David. Pat Was Steve. How Tall Are you? Yes so you got an inch you David Pads play. Why does he the NFL five foot ten? Which is bananas? This is like his rookie year right or I think he'd actually been around but this is his first year on the Patriots. Yeah it you WanNa hear is history. Yeah community history. Yeah he went to Western Carolina where he really didn't do anything on went to the arena. Football League yeah. Yeah they they mentioned that. Yeah or the Albany. Firebirds unaided kicked around the giants for three years. The browns or a year and he was never like More of a kick returner for the giants and etching like fifteen balls a year. Yeah yeah that's the first year on. The Patriots was two thousand one. Three years with the giants won with Cleveland. And then you want to hear something else interesting. Yeah give it to me. Wade Footballing South Carolina the quarterback that was thrown that for this high school team. Yeah Okay Reese what shortstop short stock when the? That's I bet. That team was amazing. Great Name Right there. Yeah Oh yeah. That's the top ten. Pokey reese amazing especially because he never hit for power. All hits were poked somewhere out there to left field. Just poke it. You can still. Yeah what the best defensive shortstops I've ever seen that. His his ops on balls hit to him. I've never seen anybody jump that high that wasn't in the NBA climbing ladders. Go catch things and not. We're not talking a fly ball. Talking Line drives. It should be going into the gap. And what about Norma? No he was he was a give he was. He's dare dog Haley. Yeah you're right Right So we're in the fourth quarter. That's right so brady threw a touchdown and the colts last chance to make it a game drive down at the red zone yet again. Manny drops back to pass under no pressure whatsoever goes to throw to a wide open guy in the Middle. I think is a tight end and the ball literally falls out of his hand. Patrick Look like James Winston special. Yeah it was one of those. Just threw it backwards. Just I dunno or had like no pressure no nothing beautiful pocket and ball flies out. Pass recover and the booze this. I think those two things that made this place. Oh good one was. This was peak manning shrug and. I think we both know what I mean by Manning Shrug Rehana a face on of course right. 'cause it's manning face but the shrugging he does reports both hands out like jazz and just search like shrugging. Vialli was amazing. And then the booze I mean. The booze actually started in the first quarter. I've had nothing that there's a Donna. Buoy for the colts. Just constant Boeing. It started on the opening patriots touchdown it nothing but I got worse on both blocked field goals. And then every time they took a sack They were booing plays that they thought should have been passed affairs that were blatantly. Not Pass interference The the one time they didn't do is At the end of the first half I think it was let me see was it after the the drops. No Oh yeah. It was so's after they They dropped the kickoff and got into the two yard line. Patient went on to score a touchdown off of the ensuing drive kicked off and they actually managed to take a touch back on that play and they got the sarcastic cheer which is one of my favorite things in football. It's got cheered for doing that. Should just be something that they should do. Every time I thought game tonight Buffalo got twelve shots therefore we got one in the first shot the whole. Td Garden cheered the Bruins twelve. Yeah there yeah. There's there's nothing better than me sarcastic. Cheer we have. Can we go back to the main face a little bit? Oh absolutely we can do a whole episode on it if you want a youtube supercop. There's gotta be right. Probably if there is a will make one. Which one do you prefer the P in manning face or the you lie this manning face hundred percent peyton is very much like everybody else. Sucks you guys? Do I want you to do in? July is rural right away for something ace but you could tell. Their differ much more rooted in confusion. The other ones much like derision. It's so it's it fuels. My Soul lost now I? I'm still paying because his game like at the end of it Patriots get the ball. And they're they're like just like running out the clock the head like seven or eight minute drive in the fourth quarter two minutes laughs and he is literally just kind of going at anybody. That'll listen to like oftens of largest city on the on the thing and you can see him just like just stipulating in like yelling and all this stuff and then they cut back from a couple minutes later doing the same thing to the offensive line coach. Who stand there like trying to watch the game. And he's just like yelling at the side of his head going so full like Reuters. Young going on and on and on rivers is the best for that. Oh yeah this. Is this the same sort of idea I love? It was yeah oh absolutely so yeah and actually the end of the game was kind of Hissy just in general because pats eight up a shit shit in a time and they'll ask Dr and get it to the two minute warning and so out of the two minute warning. The pats were up three touchdowns and so they take a knee and the colts call a timeout. Yeah I thought that was such bullshit down three touchdowns after the two minute. Warning the patient like fuck it will run plays so they ran three more plays at instead of kicking the field goal on fourth down they went for it on fourth and seven and got six and a half yards so the colts got the ball back with fifty one seconds left so they do they put. Mark Rippin in a backup quarterback remember Mark Rippin redskins great mark and then they handed off twice but so they hit it off the first time the Patriots call timeout just on the road again and the game ends. Same Chicago for touchdown there to book you. I think if they got the first down they would have. I think they would have kept throwing the ball and and actually run up the score so I respect while you know if I would've if they put banning back in there and be like you like redeem yourself you'll have one last right but they didn't put the backup in an arena twice like why the fuck all the time outs because fuck that dude. It's professional football now. That's bullshit now I I'm with the Oxidative Anna. Care how much losing by I WANNA blues by less what I'm saying? Well that's fine. But then we'll then put your starters out and Fucking try-scorer that lasts hush down. I could start. Yeah they'll put you back up quarterback in and run up the middle twice hawks the point of that. That's the one other thing I want to bring up in this and I'm a little sad that we have to do it without Mike here because it's a boy but you missed in the last game. Perhaps the funniest play so far this season Punter Lee Johnson. He got a Is in the fourth quarter against the chargers got. They're punting in their own ends. Caught the ball like the tennis yard line and saw a free coming off instead of rushing punt. He tried to take the ball and put it round his back and sidestep the guy but he didn't fool the guy so the guy was grabbed him and threw him to the grounds as Lee Johnson. Flailed the ball out of his hands and the guy to tackle and pick up the football while Johnson stood there thinking the play was over and then the guy ran for a touchdown to put the pages down ten points with eight minutes left so that was the last play of Johnson's career as a Patriot as a Ken. Walter took over punting duties from here on out and If you thought Mike Banner Jack Look Nerdy Fucking Ken. Walter with that facemask. That's way too low. And it looks like he has. His helmet pulled too far down over his head. Sos faces like covering his chest and his chinstrap is under his neck. And that's how he punts. Football's Jesus Christ. It almost looked like Ryan story entire in terms of the size of his nose. A huge shadow to Ryan story our our good friend either who we call Toucan Sam just because of the size of his is massive. Honcker at I think can Walter would give him a run for his money. I think Ken Walter with his helmet on. If you ran to a wall would hit. It knows I can Walter. The nose like that should be in the national Jewish museums. Or it's all what bringing it all back. I love it all right. So that's the game Let's do some vessel worst. Who wants to go I I go I give me your best orders Greg. I'm GonNa Steal David Patten. Obviously all right specific David panel is your best meet. The fact it's the David. In yeah fairness touchdown being ridiculous study scored orchestra. Don't know easy ones that he skiing. Yes to this day I still remembered as David. Cat Game Right so kind of speaks for itself. I agree an for war. Still take myself for watching the wrong game. Let's at least up to at least you're honest. That's fun next week will be better. I'm sure we'll see all right. Steve Best to worst. I mean the best is for the manning which Yup that was a good one. That's interesting side. Forgotten that this artist received him. Get kinda. Got that. Like you've got in the back I we use. You didn't see coming. Yup Agitated get fall forward. The guy come from the front we did see coming God right in the chest. Aw Is Kinda got. Whiplash shows was brilliant. He was real busy. The worst is no tackling on James. He kind of tore it up. Yeah James Four had hernandez somewhere he went for a hundred and forty some odd yards on thirty carries. Like he didn't score touchdown though they they couldn't couldn't do any anything short yardage be. Yeah he he rebounded nicely from his. 'cause the only game they they post this ad the only game he didn't rush one hundred yards so far in the season was the first patriots mats up so. I almost felt like the Patriots once. They got a big just said. If you want to hand off to egg Egg James. Keep doing it as long as he's throwing. You're not going to catch up quick so I'll give you that My Best I think was a play with the national talk about. I forgot because I watch these few days ago but Manning had a pass knocked up in the air by the Defensive Lineman. I think in this first half at some point and it was caught by his left guard who then decided to take off downfield and with blazing speed manage to get To whole yards on the completion so manning completion to whoever's left guard was look better Marshall Newhouse. I'm link that's true. Yes there is that Poor Marshall. Newhouse bag or maybe. She's tried his best. Letting my my worse was the colts calling Bull Shit timeouts after two minute warning and then getting the ball back with fifty seconds left and throwing their team out there to run up the middle and disagree some chicken shits stuff. Chikin chick one question that I wanted to pose. Yeah go ahead. David can take in as a more influential patriots. Debut Dad for John Branch probably WanNa just adequate time without opening entire pack of Gumbo doing it. Oh Jelly Pudding. Some Mozzarella and the charter take zips. Oh killing needs a man's hand nor critical some aluminum foil while you're at it great TV. Well here's yours kinda fought I right. I think dion branch probably had better stats. You know more yards more catches touchdowns and all that but and had some huge catches in those first three super bowls right. He had the the one against the steelers from bledsoe. Yup Yeah one in the first start in the first super bowl against the rams exactly the same play the one. Yep Bledsoe your game like if you talk about memorable games to me David Patten at more or memorable catches the branch had that super. Mvp though that's the yeah. Yeah he also had that play against the bears in the snow where he caught a touchdown right at the end of the half that I remember any also came back. Pat Did PAT and come back adamant to the redskins right the redskins the same with the browns and then signed back with the PATS and twenty ten. I don't think he actually played. I don't like it did cause his rece- rushing and receiving stats on pro football reference. And I'll give them that they came back. I mean I think they're both second to Troy Brown but I think for either one of them make case for either patent or or Dr Branch. Yeah have you seen me It might be the globe. That's doing like Patriots Dynasty Rosters. No yeah it's awesome leg. You're you pick like an all time. Patriots Dynasty team Four receivers you know. Go through every position we should do a live pick for podcast like a draft. Yeah 'cause it's actually it. It's pretty interesting is a lot of questions like this where it's Google Patent or branch. I don't know Yeah No. I've actually done that for the Patriots Dynasty website. We did a MALL EUROPE. Fucking ruin your thunder having done this two years ago to my list afterwards. Good for you. Don't worry about it and it was voted on by the Patriots. Sub Reddit so and I think the most contentious was. Who Do you put at cornerback too? Well it's title. Yeah Tilak cornerback. One Who do you put a quarterback to your re this is probably Gilmore now but is it pre. I would say so with the season. He's having this season. I mean well. Rivas at SHUTDOWN SEASON THEY WANNA super bought it. Yup and Malcolm Butler. I mean for obvious reasons. I think about Asante Samuel in that list even though it didn't win a super bowl his number like beloved either numbers great though. What was that down? Kelly says willing again. What really staff. Who's good effort? Kelly good effort. Yikes all right. Well I think there are absent up for this episode. Is He podcast who we look at next week? Boys broncos. Yeah we're going to Mile High Stadium the find out. Why Windy City? Yeah why why the Patriots Easy HAD ISSUES IN I. Can that will start next week. Well we'll see what happens but until then we will talk to you soon. Happy Thanksgiving happy. Thanks brought by not that. This will be aired Thanksgiving but wherever next next Thursday for us is Thanksgiving so happy Thanksgiving to you and yours. Who the Thanksgiving episode. All right guys talk to you soon. Boys Sleep type beautiful. You know what I didn't say I love you. Love you to bug us.

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2004 Week 2: Patriots at Cardinals

Patriots Dynasty Podcast

1:03:51 hr | 3 months ago

2004 Week 2: Patriots at Cardinals

"This is christine brown. And while i have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty. You have the choice. Not to my son's sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny but really interesting stupid. You still want to listen. Go right ahead. i am not your mother. Well back to the patriots. Dnc podcast we two of the two thousand four season knocking ally. This was one of the games. I just had no memory of and you're watching it. You can kind of see why but we have with me today. Steve brown the best brother. Maybe definitely the most in podcast terms. Yes thousand best brother. Greg brown is babysitting. Repeats guest connor glenconner. Yeah so he's babysitting so he can't be here for this. But steve you have brought a friend along your friends and other teams. We have money jerry joining us because a big area. Zona cardinals fan so proud. He is the big arizona cardinals. The only one i know shocking. Jerry thanks for joining us. Yeah it's a pleasure to kinda step outside of your comfort zone and join. Another teams podcast. This'll be a first for me so excited to get into the weeds and explained to pats nation. That we're not the biggest joke of a franchise that everyone thinks we are. We're in the same divisions the bill. So we we're on your side. Okay thank you should see bills fan right now. They are living their best life because they won the east for the first time in twenty years and they don't know what to do with it. It's fantastic. i'm sure there's a comp to how us in phoenix suns fans about. How just defeated the lakers in the first round of the playoffs. And i'm sure lakers fans are looking at us very similar similarly to how you guys look at bills fan so i kind of empathize a little bit with them. But everyone in boston's happy about that. So sons go. Everybody go everybody else. Yeah all right. So jared just to get an idea of how did you become cardinals fan by clicking on my mind. Yeah well to start. I'm born and raised in phoenix and the cardinals arrived from saint louis. When i was two years old they came to the valley of the son played at sun. Devil stadium my parents big football fans. My mom grew up in chicago so she was We're coming off. A few years past few is ahead of the cardinals come into arizona. We watched the chicago bears in the one of the greatest off seasons ever from a football team and then my dad is from new york but was not giants or jets fan. He had a lot of family in miami. So you guys won't be pleased to know that he's he's he actually was a dolphins fan johnston. Yeah right yeah. I i think it is. I think it's way better personally but So you know a lot of scenarios zona still to this day. There isn't really a true. You know contingent of people who are from phoenix. There's just you know my generation and younger is really the first full-fledged. Bigger population of people. Who are actually from the phoenix. Arizona phoenix area. So you got a hodgepodge of random people that will come through. So i'm sure you guys when you watch this game back you heard how many new england patriots fans were at sun. Devil stadium that day. That was like that every single week of the season and so the cardinals moved into their new stadium. But how did i become a cardinals fan. I was born and raised in arizona. My dad and mom or big football fans and they jumped in on season tickets immediately because they were. Nfl fans and They stuck with it. I grew up going to those games in sun devil stadium. I will say that this game in particular being eighty nine degrees in september like talk about like golden opportunity for the patriots to give you some perspective we had We set a record last year for most consecutive days. Over a hundred and ten degrees in phoenix. Last year hundred. I know right and it bled into october of last year could so for it to be eighty nine degrees in september for the patriots. It was basically like a nice little vacation on hundred and nine on the field unseasonably cool. No really though like that was a thing like like you'd have guys passing out like on the sidelines because when you were kicking off at like two o'clock on a sunday at sun devil stadium and it was outside. It was a one hundred and five degrees out on the field with no roof or no no way to hide from the sun it was it would touch down to like one twenty five one thirty and they were full pads like is just brutal so and of course wearing their their all whites which they wore white at home all the time which used to piss cowboys fans off because the cowboys prefer to wear white. But so yeah so i the same thing actually. Yeah yeah so. They just to to help heat. So i'm one of the few. The proud local born and raised in phoenix. I am extremely loyal to a local teams and And up until you know they'll maybe the last decade the cardinals didn't really give a lot to root for But actually to give you a little launching pad into this game. In this season the draft class going into this season easily. The best draft class in the history of the phoenix. Arizona cardinals in high would argue. Maybe a top fifty draft class ever in nfl history. We can have that debate for another day. But you're looking at you're looking at you know four guys. Three guys that made multiple pro bowls four guys that got big time contracts a plug in place starting center right out of the gates so it was it was. It was kind of a launch pad for the core team that made it to their first super bowl. You know several years later against the steelers right so because this was the larry fitzgerald draft is it was. It was glasses because then you're talking about how they skipped over rivers and rothlisberger draft fitzgerald. Right it's could be my question. Yeah how do you feel about that. So there's a whole story behind this If you if you want to go back to the week seventeen the year before the cardinals were playing against the minnesota. Vikings and the vikings if they win. They're in the playoffs. If they lose they somehow are out. The cardinals had literally nothing to play for other than if they lose. They get the number one pick and they can draft eli manning and at the time you guys remember what peyton manning was in the nfl rivalry going getting payton. Getting payton's brother was a big deal. And so josh mccown and his first you know opportunity really in that. Stretch of games to be a starter. The cardinal stay around and they end up throwing the the hail mary to nate pool in the back of the endzone. The force out play to win the game. It knocked the vikings out of the playoffs. It basically ended the colpepper moss era in minnesota because what moss shortly later went over to oakland before he went and played with you guys. And then you know dante. Culpepper was never the same so basically ended that great stretch of vikings teams. I was actually at that game and it was very. It was very conflicting because everyone like like even the vikings fans that were trying to talk smack to us all game. We're just like we don't really care because we're gonna get and then we'll beat you next year you know like. So what transpires is they lose the number one pick and which in the most cardinals fashion they would pull out a remarkable game ending pale. Mary play but the result of it isn't to go anywhere or do anything with it. It was actually had an adverse effect but if you remember correctly even if they got the number one pick you know. It's manning didn't want to play for san diego. San diego have the number one draft that year and there was a big deal that they wanted to swap with the giants. Because the manning family wasn't gonna play in san diego. Well he wasn't gonna play in san diego. He sure as hell wasn't gonna play phoenix right. So so the way i look at it is Yeah missing out on. Eli because of a hail. Mary ended up being unfortunate. Philip rivers ended up having phenomenal career. But larry fitzgerald is is going down as the the greatest athlete in history of arizona's sports and and maybe that's not saying much for some but he's one of the greatest wide receivers ever to suited up. And in fact. You could argue that if you actually had a competent quarterback for a good chunk of his career he would be smashing jerry. Rice's records right now. he's not that far off from some of them but but if he had had actual not kevin cobb throwing to him for a number of years josh mccain all the. Who's who's of quarterbacks. That are named kurt warner carson palmer. He would be smashing. Jerry rice's records and could be going down as the greatest wide receiver ever to play the game so i absolutely no regrets. I think if you asked any cardinals fan they would be thrilled to end. Up with larry over either of those quarterbacks and And it's it's gonna be sad as recording this podcast. He hasn't announced if he's retiring at but a a lot of signs point to he's going to but He knows he might be back every year. New england that he's sounding features where we're going to transform every what holiday every year now that room now. That rumor is that he's gonna end up on the bucks with areas but Yeah there was room for a long time ever since they did that. Randy moss experiment right. And they guys. They set incredible records throwing the brady moss relationship but looking at that draft class like carlos stands pro linebacker. Donald docket was is is an incredible d. tackle even though he's a nutjob stepanovich was a the fourth round pick. He was started week. One at center and antonio smith was a huge piece on that team that made that run to the super bowl that played the steelers and ended up getting a huge contract with the texans and had a great year career with them too so this draft class was insanely good and And so it's just you look back at this team and it's just interesting to recall that that group. Yeah i think this draft in genoa. We look back on it and the first round of this drafts had like almost all pro bowlers. It was ridiculous. The whole draft is complete being said like the starting defense with the cardinals in this game. I was like there's so many. Nobody's i'm here is just got him so they aren't even starting yet but they were a defense seemed like it was of his team to though it was i mean adrian. Wilson is going to be like in the ring of honor for the cardinals if he isn't already great safety. I know you had a tough year with you guys at the end of his career. But he's key his. He's an all time great. You know from karnal standpoint Kyle vandenbossche you know was a really good defensive end for the cardinals who came from that nebraska program. The blackshirts duane starks. Want super bowl with the with the ravens and You know. I already mentioned docket. Dantonio smith and even ronald mckinnon. Who played middle linebacker. Had a really good. Nfl career so this defense is really good. The problem was they just weren't good against the run. And i think you guys saw that in the very first quarter with corey dillon. Running wild That that the pro- the problem was they couldn't get themselves off the field because stopping the run was tough there. Their pass defense was really good and the pressure. They'd get on. Quarterbacks is great but they couldn't stop the run and that was the problem with that team this year. Yeah and The even the The announcers at the beginning of the game when the patriots i got on the fields says only about how the the one the arizona linebackers like. Oh we're gonna we're focusing on stopping the run so they're just not going to be able to run it. And then i think think dylan had like thirty one yards on that first drive alone fifty one by the end of the first quarter like you you ended with maybe not carries one hundred and fifty eight yards. When he could have had a touchdown they got called back on absolute bullshit penalty which they called twice. Save the referee. Good day for fantasy managers for sure absolutely back in two thousand and four. Yeah corey dillon. What a pluck at another one of those guys that the patriots have gotten for years that you just get after they have some great careers with bad teams in. Just grab them to have a couple more great years before they sail off into the sunset should have been. Julio all right would have been right. Every talked about this. Gerald now doubt they actually said that He went over one fifty that this was the eighth time in his career. The had the game with at least a hundred and fifty yards the cardinals. Yeah the cardinals. Gasoline two hundred and twenty yards lawns to sixteen with revenues. At the bengals. I remember that game. He set records. If there's i think there's a few of those Records that have carl's defenses on the other side of it. But i mean i. It's either that of the browns because Who was it that we we. we did. A browns game last priest holmes priest holmes may may have been thought. It was the ravens guy back back in. Those days wasn't saved me. Kemal ataturk jamal. What's name lewis. Yeah and i think the the browns linebacker the day before said i called him up. Call up jamal lewis and said i dare you to run it. We're going to be on you all day and was trash talking them and so then jamal lewis. The next day ran for like two hundred and fifty yards on one hundred yards in both games against the balance doubling down after going down three hundred yards. Yeah tough stood out to me watching this game though is there's just a reminder of some of the random ass wide receivers that were on the patriots that had great careers for just the patriots and then no one else. David patent dion branch. Like that was that was back at the time wrote was like how are they able even move the ball with these guys who are barely you know six feet tall and don't look like they're the fastest guys in the world either. Just it doesn't it defies science with the with the success that they had scheme although in this game. Neither of those guys. In any i think Branch got hurt on what may have been the play of the game just from like a pile. Respective i guess where The patriots get the ball back at. Oh so action. No those dry before there's like a few seconds left and the cardinals are going for a field goal arguing because neil rackers has already kicked to from fifty one one from fifty two and this fifty to like fuck it. Let's give it a shot. Trotted out by it. And it got blocks of the ball like the forty yard line and they're like ours try and so they tried like the quick screen play to try like get a few yards. They getting field goal range and it was dropped by. I think was david givens. And dave gibbons there's another good name that what do nothing on any other team hurt you went to the redskins and got hurt my guy. Thirty titans star steve titans but Yeah so the field goal gets block the pass the ball and they run one play and they think that the half is over as everybody starts off the field and there like no no no. There's one second left so we have to file back on the field. Reser dick heads and then the page like you know fuck it. We're doing a hail. Mary so they throw a hail mary. And it looked like the play was expos to be david. Givens jumps up in bats. It back down to troy brown weirdly and almost worked except it got intercepted by Cardinal linebacker. I don't remember who it was. And he's like you know fuck. I'm returning this. So he takes off. Downfield try to return it. And this is probably a good time introduce commentators. Donkey and steve tasker. I'd say that the jv team. But i don't know with lower than that because people can we while you introduce him. Can we talk about how. When they intro duane starks in the starting lineup steve. Tasker calls says duane starks. Who played for the won. A super bowl with the baltimore. Colts in two thousand and two That that was a that was worth making note of for me Cardinals fans are used to the b c and d teams when it comes to telecasts so are a lot of times a barrel. Yeah a lot of times. You mute Especially when cardinals are on. Cbs teams because not very often does a cbs teams. You know groups go and do. Nfc games So in that goes back decades now so it was a there was a few of those where it was like. What is he even talking about right now. They were good all right. Well i man. They couldn't even agree on how to pronounce josh mccown name. Yeah the they mispronounce his name a lot but the and then they go back to the right pronunciation then they go back to mccowan. Where are you getting from. Every he's been playing for thirty years of course he got his name. This is like josh recounts third start. They got it right and then they went off of it to macau and they were back to mccown either way so he's scrambling raise rolling out right. He's got nothing. Just throw the ball away. He's like nope it's thirty nine. I have nine years ago. There's five guys are probably going to try and do anyways. And they say well you have to admire his courage if not his discretion. Great yeah during this return to go back to the the hail. Mary play this. This linebackers is he's gonna run. Probably one hundred ten yards. Try scorer touch out and for some reason. I don't know what happened off the player whatever it was because the way that they had the view of it was like from the back of the endzone running away from the camera. And all that you see dion branch running back to go catch the guy and all of a sudden one of the patriots offensive. Linemen comes hearing out of like diving from offscreen and just clips dion branch at the knees. And he goes up and over and lands directly on his back and commentators. At this point. I think it was probably steve. Tasker was bullshit about how it was an illegal block completely missing the fact that was his team mate so it was not be a penalty like yeah they call the other penalty. That should be a penalty to until he finally. I think somebody must've told him. Or something at the at the fourth quarter when they were showing it out as the game is wrapping up in the doing highlights. So maybe that this is by no means allowing you know saying that. That's okay from a commentary. Standpoint has someone who's spent time in the press box at sun devil stadium it is really high up there like it is. It is a really tall press box. And i'm sure with technology back two thousand and four the monitors that they were looking at. Were probably the size of you know. Maybe the small screen that we're looking at to see each other. That isn't the main screen. So in the moment. I can see where maybe he could have made that error until seeing the replay but the fact that he stuck with it after seeing the replay should should should ruin the competency of risk stop. Stop trying to reason with andy on. Commentators did well. The problem is the problem. Is i before. I got into the world. I'm in now. How stephen i know each other's in the gulf world i was in the media and broadcasting for about ten and so i worked i worked behind the scenes and part of tv productions and some of those were at sun devil stadium for for a random games. So but but but steve tasker colin. They know the baltimore ravens. The baltimore colts was a was a good one for me right when i heard him say that i was like all this can be great game. This is going to be a good one for the patriots scored their first touchdown halfway through the first quarter they go to steve and his his Pearls of wisdom where arizona's going to have to start throwing the ball to catch up bro. You're down seven point seven nothing in the first quarter. I think you can take game plan. Still yep yep no doubt no doubt very worried about that too but and but you know and and you know maybe maybe danny green hurt him because what josh mccown started throwing it like crazy and through a couple of picks not not long after that josh mccown. That season got a really quick hook. You know for a guy that had such a long. Nfl career with so many teams. You would have thought that with how much any green didn't like the guy that he wouldn't have made it past that season they ended up going to shaun king remember. He played with the tampa. Bay buccaneers for awhile after transfer. Danny green went to shaun king for a majority of that season. Josh mccown got the quick hook. Cardinal career ended in his incredible career with just about every. Nfl team happened. Kind of allah ryan fitzpatrick. Right came from their mccown on this season. Twenty five hundred yards eleven touchdowns ten interceptions. He wasn't that bad he was kind of. He was kind of talented problem. Was cardinals had horrible offensive line. You know it was the cowboys that discovered that leonard davis would-be better at playing guard than a tackle But they they wrote out. Leonard davis who is a former top five pick out of texas at tackle for years and he was among the league leaders and false starts and he was just covering the blind side of these quarterbacks than they had. No chance yet did seem that way. Yeah like fable coming off at end every time even spend some care ahead st louis cardinals touchdown score in this game. Probably the most famous name in the game except for tom brady was talked about. It didn't you. I don't even really remember him. Being on the cardinals. Definitely if you said. Emmett smith is a cardinal a touchdown in the game against the patriots he go. Are you sure that sounds like so. Yeah emmett smith He was one of many professional athletes. Who like many like to retire. Coming to the state of the state of arizona. A lot of professional athletes like to move to arizona to finish their careers Ahead of their retirement. There's a long list of people in across all professional sports. You know the suns diamondbacks. The cardinals had more than their fair share. But the emmett smith arrow was weird because everyone hated him here really the cardinals and the cardinals in cowboys up until a few years before that were in the same division when the cardinals i moved to the valley. They did not take them out of the nfc east. It wasn't until. I think the late nineties that they to wasn't it. Yeah i forgive me realignment with the idea. Yeah they they did that whole realignment so where you see it out is today but that was it was within a few years like you said maybe two thousand and two that you know. The cardinals were no longer in the same division as the cowboys. And i i have. Ptsd of going to sun devil stadium and having to deal with cowboys. Fans are worst in in all of sports in my opinion and so. I can do boston fan wearing a shirt. That has just literally a collage of tom. Brady's face yeah yeah. I know. I don't have anything against boston teams. So maybe if. I was around boston teams more. That might be different. I was around cowboys. Fans going up and they're just the worst so all the sudden emmett smith pulls up and in most cases you'd think getting an all time great coming year team would be an exciting thing but but a lot of people here were pretty lukewarm about it because no one liked emmett smith in any came here in average three yards a carry in his final year of his career and Sure he had that nice touch down in this game. You know the first to get the cardinals on board. And i'm sure it got everyone excited but a but it was a definitely a little era to forget and i think even emmett smith forgot it when he gave his hall of fame exception except speech to. I don't remember a shout out to the cardinals in that speech thousand yards nine out. I was going to assist the volume. The sheer volume made no one else to to get the rock to. I mean that's true impressive. He was pretty old at this point and he played all he played fifteen games. two hundred sixty seven carries. That's a fifteen season as a running back. That's that's frank gore. Ask at this point. Averaging probably three yards a carry so it was three it was around three yards per carry for 'em at that season and you know you could blame the offensive line but there was a lot of games where it looked like. He was still trying to channel. That running through the tackles between the guards types of runs that were maybe two step slow as opposed to one step slow at that point in his career with game where he's just like running into the back of his and stuff and he just looked like the same didn't have that burst of the disappeared. Not at all is of least this year. So when do we talk about to talk about my boy. Tedy bruschi ooh one of the one of the one of the first of many arizona wildcats that have come to have great careers. I went to college with rock. Feel free to ask questions about that too i was. I'm a couple of years older than him. But we were there at the same time so we can. We can go down that path but if you wanna start with tedy bruschi i. I was hoping we would talk about him a little bit. Absolutely i mean tedy. Bruschi is him and rodney arizona. The heart of this defense in war for this entire i after the dynasty i would say yeah i mean just a guy who comes back from having a hole in his heart and having a missing season then decide. You know what let's go. Let's go back to playing football especially the style that he does which a lot of people have like specific images of him in their mind. When you think of tedy bruschi mine is him coming on a blitz and trying to like dive headfirst over the Running back and pick them up and basically just being upside down in the quarterbacks face like legs. I try to tackle his knees and back of his knees. And that's like that's who ten bruce. He's just so the u. of a football team like the arizona cardinals isn't known for a a pristine history of or tradition of excellence but the years that he was there they had a defense that was called the desert swarm and they were one of the classic. You can go google right now. The sports illustrated cover issue with tedy. Bruschi that also included chris. Chris mcalister there's a couple of other guys. It started a run of arizona. Defenses that even though the team's never made it to like the roles boler won a conference championship were regularly ranked and were among the best in the country. It was kind of like a model. They add a style of play in a model. They were kind of becoming known like the nebraska blackshirts were in college. Football in tedy. Bruschi was one of the pioneers of that era. And so he to this day is one of the most beloved alumni of the football program. In fact a couple of years ago they did a a history. A twisted a twenty five year history anniversary of desert storm team. Maybe it was longer than that and the team on. Homecoming wore the uniforms that they wore that year and tedy bruschi jersey was the one. They are selling online to commemorate that anniversary. So in this picture yeah. I mean that that here he looks. Maybe maybe when we're done or maybe for your audience you can tell them to youtube. Desert swarm highlights 'cause that defense the way you described. The way he played in. The nfl was the way that whole defense played in college and him included and Some of the best highlights that the football program has ever had eleven. Make sure that so really though what what thanks for nikiel. Hurry the fuck no. He's a sun devil. Okay view like many on the east coast. Don't pay attention to us out here and don't realize you know bristol. Connecticut gets this wrong on the regular and we always make fun of it. They'll put the u. of a logo with arizona state next to it or vice versa. Nikiel harry played for arizona state. But i know nick. He'll since he was in eighth grade he yeah he's a he's a local phoenix product and It sad for me because to to to see him being noticed someone who is soft so not on brand for what. I watched him in high school in what i watched out of him at the college level. It's it's kind of bizarre for me. 'cause he is a special talent Coming up out of high school one of the top ranked wide receivers on the west coast was getting recruited by everybody had a great career day issue. Even though i'm not an issue fan But to see what he is turned into at the pro level to be honest is very surprising. And i'm pretty pretty taken back by not a guy that i expected to to have a tough career. The honestly might be coaching where he just doesn't take checks now because we've seen everybody's companies team learning that offenses. Yeah yeah. I am brady. At the end of his career is super demanding. To if i can see it i can see it but never know. Oh yeah you know. Maybe it's just takes one season. He's got the physical gifts and the talent the speed for his size. So you know you never know you never know what what can happen but it is pretty disappointing to see what what it's turned into but there was at one point where he and byron murphy. Who's technically the number two corner on the cardinals right. Now we're on the same high school team so so it it was pretty wild. It's pretty wild to see you know to. Nfl guys at one time on the same high school team here in phoenix to hear new hampshire. You don't see anybody here at high school and go on to play in the nfl. Football in high school. Football and phoenix has become no joke. They play year round. I mean if you look you look at the bowl games last year at the college level you know. Almost every quarterback was from phoenix. Spencer rattler on oklahoma. Got brock purdy. Who is on iowa state slow vis on. Usc you've got the oregon. Starting quarterback was from here now and all of them conveniently not playing for arizona universities. They can't they can't keep the best talent here in state except for nikiel harry key larry is like the only guy that that arizona state was able to keep in the heat. Absolutely maybe there's your point right there. His four years at arizona state three years at arizona state sucked all the life out of him. Did you go see the pat. Tillman tribute games broadcast. Yes the year that he he died. It was and this was the first home game. This was the first home game since he had passed right right right. The whole league was wearing a forty stickers pat. Tillman played for asu before played for the cardinals. And so he's a legend here. And even though i like we've established i'm not an arizona state fan but anyone who is a fan of football here in the state of arizona as a pat tillman fan. He was extremely all the stuff you hear and read about him is true extremely. Well light an unbelievably hard working overachiever. Who was went from being a seventh round. Pick to a guy that was one of the more exciting safeties in the league that was gearing up to earn a nice second contract and just cited to hang it all up to go fight in the war after nine eleven. So it's an unbelievable story and examined to hear conspiracy theories that have come from that since but but there's an awesome statue out in front of the state farm stadium in glendale where the cardinals play of him. Right outside. one of the entrances and his jersey's still to this day is one of the best selling cardinals. Jerseys year in year out makes makes it said he had some two hundred and twenty five tackles and season. Yeah he was a monster incredible. Yeah he was didn't seem like pro. Football reference doesn't have that high but it's leon offensive stats. Sisters weird pat tillman. Maybe i can't stop what's crazy crazy stat. I mean he's still in two thousand. One hundred. Fifty five combined tackles eighteen solo for a safety. That's a safety who was a linebacker in college. That's not that's insane. Yeah like this this guy. Was you know literally the person that you think of. At least locally when you think of maximizing every ounce of your being to be as good as you can he he was incredible and they still honor him regularly out here. I mean every year. Asu football team does a a salute to service game and they always have pat. tillman reference. Just a few years ago everyone on the back of the asu football instead of having their own name had tillman on the back of their jerseys. They do what's called the tillman run. Which is a i think. It's a a five k. That goes from outside of sun. Devil stadium around tampa and it ends inside the stadium running on the field and it's always attended by thousands of thousands of people raising money for the foundation that they've created the tillman foundation so he is still someone to this day that is honored and talked about regularly. That's the type of impact that he had on the community out. Here is pretty pretty crazy. That of all games that you know we're talking about and looking back on. Its first home game since he had been killed in action. It's just above all things. It seems pretty pretty wild and that's kind of like where we started doing. This podcast is because we like when we're experiencing it in real time you're like oh that's that's a cool moment but then you go back and rewatching like i don't remember this at all as being the first arizona cardinals home game since pats elon died. You know like that's things that almost get lost to history. Yeah absolutely what a corey. Dillon ended up doing that season meeting a super bowl. Oh you know outside of that. I mean was. He like come home. Then you're gonna be the only ram sixteen hundred yards and twelve touchdowns he. He basically had the randy. Moss breakout team. Sees for randy moss. Yes the original. Yeah he he went off. And i think is spoiler alert in the playoffs against a kind of single handedly won that game in the in the slop. The patriot controlled the ball for like seventy percent of the game or something ridiculous. Everyone knows how the season's ending any nosema listened to the rest of the episodes. They'd have you on the super bowl. Steve so like gosh i guess i just fast forward to twenty two thousand and five the twenty sixteen. You're steve i want i want to touch on grog but just to kind of tie into this game brady had kind of an up and down game. He threw two picks that were bad interceptions. Oh hail mary bullshit but the other one was was bad but also threw two touchdowns both to who i was supposed to be the original gronk. Dana graham who is one of those guys who i think had all the physical tools stick gronkowski had coming into the league. Book could not catch a football to save is gone lake. Yeah so but he managed to snag in this one Basically both off play action because corriedale was running it down everybody's throat one of us one of that first touchdown of the game right. Yes that play action. Which i think is. Kind of the almost stereotypical touchdown of early. Tom brady career is really hard. Play action with two tight ends on throw to whoever's like from the goal line. Yeah yeah underneath the underneath the the goalposts there and then the second one as pointed out by the commentators which i had missed a great kudos to them the patriots patrick pass on like a ten yard touchdown. he doesn't. Tom brady overthrew flip. The play the other side to graham and he's wide open. That's that's great. Just running the say ally toy again. Just see bill ballot. Check being like. Hey you know what. Let's just run that same. Play against these schmucks here. No no fuck. I'm gonna get. I want to do it to the right. Did he have that those chops back. Then after he had won super bowls this when he got kind of those shops. Or he's like that first two thousand one since then it's been coast in for now. I think he's just starting to get that. Fuck you attitude now. Like oh three. He was still struck. We'll all three. He played through the whole thing. Because we i completely forgot meant in the last game of oh two is playing on a separated shoulder and they like re separated it so the whole three seasons playing basically on a separated shoulder the ad fix itself so this is like a first year is officially healthy and knows the system and everything. I think this is the start of the fuck you. Tom brady but he still doesn't quite look like today's tom. Brady rages just now. Who's going to cancel their meljak though. He's getting close to fuck you mode. Yeah he's still wearing polos at this point so he's not there yet in this game. It's true he doesn't have the hoodie going. he's in a nice car. Yeah right it's only one hundred and nine on the field. Everybody it's nice out. Yeah i think that just kinda sun this game up. It was just Patriots keeping it close in should be because they kept doing stupid turnovers and the cardinals not taking any of those turnovers and doing anything with them because except for putting the iraqis on the field and kick goals. He was their offense. They heavy was awesome. Okay i know you guys think it's ridiculous that we're talking about kickers here we get it get it. You should get it with you. Know the crew. And adam terry had he was the kicker for you guys the season neil rackers was a drive saver for this team for a number of years and kept them in a lot of games and and and it was just as much as this team didn't amount to much during this era. I mean you'll forget the they did make the super bowl in two thousand seven so this just a few years away from that. Where rackers was the kicker and they made that playoff run. But like when you're young trying to figure it out team having kicker that could you know automatic from fifty five plus was a big deal not to mention. He was according to many more handsome than tom brady. So it just. The cardinals had to have something going for it. They might as well have a supercharge create a player style. Kicker that had amazing looks like me. Play around one guy who worked with. He's a bills. Fan is favor players brandon mormon Of course so built like we said bills fans have it worse. You have kickers. They can root for. Its punters. wichita you guys play worse. Speaking of punters scott player the cardinals punter the last guy left in the nfl to wear the single bar helmet. He's in this game such a goober those. Those are the dumbest helmets there. They didn't do anything. Because it's like it's like like a chinstrap basically and strap at that point just not wear one or is it like part of the nfl rules. You have to have a you have to have a phase as we look at foggy will do. I just don't understand like i. I get like it just all aspects of life. There are certain things where it's like. You know you wanna wear stuff that offer different because it speaks to who you are and then there are some things that are just so awful looking like just even if you're trying to go for something here just don't do it and the scott players single bar like the cardinals would have the last guy ever to wear the single bar helmet like those are the types of things that the cardinals have in. Nfl history shirt on that continuum than that shirt is. It's up there but As you are just like a part of a lot about you steve. Let's let's just say i. I think that face mask is second worst only to Ugly was sandiego hundred. The time he had it like thin double bar but like the top of it like we're like go over. His is kind of like raised up almost like his face mask had raised eyebrows. So it gave the whole helmet a quizzical look. And every time i look at it. I couldn't help. i had to laugh at. It is the most ridiculous helmet like. Why do you need that to go up. Those is it. So is it blocking your view. I don't understand like don't you come on. But it's the dumbest phase hunters are so weird. If we're talking about helmets to can we talk about. How larry fitzgerald has the same hunter palate in this game. Then he still does this most race. That retro like rio helmet you know. That was super cool and trendy at the time and now literally. No one else has except for larry is just everything grandfathered and nobody else's allowed to wear. Those probably probably not amazing. Yeah i think. Larry fitzgerald his game. They were already talking about how he was like the focal point of the game. Two games vogel point of the offense two games in the pace hidden teaming in every play it's high law on him pretty cool. What kind of looking back on it. What a cool matchup right. A good example of where the commentators one of the guys. The lisa might experience being covered by one of the guys with the most talkative Girl match up what great commentary. Well just looking back is 'cause like yeah this jailed forever old. I mean tyler was exactly on the back nine of his career. he's the most. Yeah he was well accomplished at that point. So it's just you know when you think about some cool match ups that have transpired over the years you know people have to talk about you. Know what if jordan played against lebron you know like like you know it would have been really cool to see tyler on prime against larry in his prime. They actually got to face off against each other though in this game. And it's and it's pretty cool. It would have been good to have. Larry have a quarterback that could throw to jones. Probably played against tile all the way up to stefan gilmore. Yeah he asked. That's impressive that that is pretty impressive. Man what else. We got a new best and worse anything else in here. Throw out. You know the name bertrand berry was a pro bowler pro bowler for the denver. Broncos pro bowler for the cardinals the only pro bowl for the cardinals. This season. think he got to larry or got to brady in this game so Shot out to burt. The be train getting to get in on the action against the pats a hell of season fourteen and a half sacks four force. Fumbles on the seasons you. There is a guy who also had a sack name. Ross colo day j. k. o. z. I. e. j. nailed it but like man that guy sitting there being sacked. Tom brady. it never was like. Oh yeah. he's probably he probably has a podcast game and he talks about on. Repeat that time that he sacked tom. Brady dot com. But there was some. There was a couple of great names in this that i came across. the fullback obafemi deja. Oh i'm joe. Yeah that's a great fucking name also peppy. Zellner was fabio look great. Name tabby had a few quarterback hurries in this first. Half of this game. Yeah he was a solid defensive end but every time they said peppy. Zellner couldn't help it smirk a little chuckle a little bit right loot. Bring some levity to the situation that is take it easy one last night before we do. Best and worst with this win. New england moves to seventeen wins in a row on their way to their record setting. That would tie the seventy six seventy seven. Oakland raiders. eighteen is the record held by one. Two three four five teams most recently denver. The ninety seven ninety eight team that cheated their way past the salary cap could for them The eighty nine ninety san francisco forty niners like the steve. Young switchover was the transition to steve. Young obviously the seventy two dolphins they went sixteen and then won the next two games in seventy three. I think or maybe strict. This this is regular season wins. Isn't it no the now including the nfl. All the records in regular season wins. Because you have to sometimes. Yeah but the the last you on. This are the thirty three thirty. Here's an actress for you. The thirty three thirty four and forty one forty two chicago bears all. Wow pre pre. Nfl chicago bears afl to compete with each game was like two to one yeah speaking of things that transpired you guys talked about all these records to things. That happened to the cardinals. This season were two losses to the forty niners who didn't beat any other teams that season it went to they went to and fourteen so if say the cardinals pulse something out of their ass and beat the worst team in football they would finished eight and the rams finished eight eight that season playoffs and the cardinals split with the rams that season i. I'm not gonna do a deep enough dive to know if they had the tiebreaker. With the rams if the could have found a way to figure out to beat the worst team in the nfl which i think led to them. Drafting alex smith one overall. I'm pretty sure that's the drafts I could be wrong. I'm just going off the top of the brain here but if they could figure out a way to do that they might have made the playoffs that year. And we're talking about a playoff team that the patriots beat in week two on the road. As opposed to ha ha. This was whatever cardinals win or a win over the cardinals. So just another fun little tidbit for you to talk about. How glorious this season was you're correct. Pick number one. Overall cisco forty niners alex smith and before that i watched. Alex smith coached by fire. Play in the fiesta bowl. I was at that game in person. Damn just ran around we go. Zona cardinals picked intro role. Cray pick who was big time big time player again. I that that stretch of those two drafts were like the groundwork for defense that got the cardinals all the way to the super bowl. Just a few years later. And it's so great draft you though alex smith ronnie brown bryan edwards adam jones pacman jones and trail role carlos. Rogers demarcus ware. Shawne merriman jamal brown from saints offense. We're in week two of season. Two thousand talking about. Oh five drop draftees patriots number. Thirty two logan banken's stalwart another drafts in those days. We'll get to that though right steve. Yes indy all right. So just to explain to jerry growing up around the around the dinner table our parents used to make us do best and worst for your days to pick the best in the worse it happened so we we've carried it into the podcast where he just glad to join the brown family dinner so you just. We'll start steve. They'd give me your best worse from this game. My best was. I just hear. This highlight on prime time. They they try to pitch to corey fumbled. He didn't even catch it. Really done the cardinals. Big it up but like there's two of them roaming the sidelines like big boys both trying to pick it up and run at the same time bumping into each other here chris boden exactly the best was also a worst. Yeah that was one of those terrible turnovers. that'd be bad like the. The cardinals had done anything and they had like thirteen. Total yards of offense and yet they're still in field goal range because corey dillon. Your superstar running back. Can't catch a pitch like thirty yards and six points. Just pretty impressive bad. Yeah and then. I saw gift of romeo cornell doing the new thing go famous melgen gift. Oh shit came from this game now. I snagged at. That'll be on the website. Nice hey connection for you. Romeo cornell's defensive coordinator. When he became the head. Coach of the chiefs clan clan was at the browns. Maybe it was us. Yeah was when he came. the head. Coach at the chiefs was clancy pendergast. Who is the cardinals. Defensive coordinator in this game another great name. cleveland pendergast. Yeah that's right. I didn't have much more worse outside of the patriots inability to really put the cardinals away. Yeah they're the worst for the cardinals where they added like. They're in their own end zone. I looked at so many people have when they just take a screen grab. This isn't good podcasting right now. Because i'm not looking at you but you just have this look just like oh come on. Smile should on the rug. Big obnoxious could've done without that cash. So continue steve. I just. I wanted you to capture that face because that is the face of cardinals fan. So it's like third fifteen they get sacked but there's an assize. Oh get the run. Another play thrown interceptions. Goddamn she can just decline the outsides. Taking the sack plummeted. Yeah yeah that was rough yet. Well no because didn't he. They threw an interception. And then it got called back for defensive holding on. I think thai law and then so the very next play and that was third and long. It's the very next play a third and less long mccown or mccowan. Whoever you want to pronounce it is just chuck at six feet over. A double covered larry fitzgerald into eugene arms waiting arms for his second interception in place and this one didn't get called back. Yeah i think the patriots take that score a touchdown. It's starting to look out of hand. And then they kept fumbled the ball coughing it up and letting the cardinals a little bit back into it. Yeah yeah it's a good good look. Yeah all right Jared you wanna give us your best and worst try. I'll do it from cardinals. Perspective The best you know easy we talked about the honoring of pat. Tillman pretty cool watching that back. And seeing the decals and the worst was play and i think it was the second drive of the game whereas just a flawlessly executed screen played a patrick pass. Who runs for about twenty five thirty yards and fumbles the ball forward for another twenty and there's three cardinals right there to recover it and yet somehow was it was a deal brand comes out of nowhere and ends up with the ball inside the ten yard line so it ended up being like a fifty five yard play. I can't remember tasker. Probably made something up on that. Play of the amount of yards set. It ended up covering. But that that was i guess a microcosm for the rest of the game where even when the patriots were making mistakes. And we're trying to lose the game and you know the cardinals are just the cardinals have just be like now. You take the win you you can have. You can have it. So the the patrick pass fumble forward for another fifteen plus yards to get inside the and first and goal which led to a that. I play action touchdown that we referenced was probably my probably my worst from from the forty six yard line to the seven. Yeah and half of that. What and guess what that screenplay was so well executed that it probably could have happened like that without the fumble oil. He decided to throw the ball forward and other ten fifteen yards and his boy dion branches there to get it worked. All you gotta do flawless execution. They're just like they wrote it up. all right let's see my best Was probably the fact that this was after having suffered through the run game of last season. Where the pages are i think. Twenty ninth in the league when the an old broken down anton smith. This is the first time. The patriots had a hundred yard receiver in one hundred yard. Rusher in the same game since nineteen ninety-seven who dougie steve. Can you name either of those players boy. One of them should be pretty easy that russia. They're seaver the rusher. Ninety seven robert edwards. No got deal. It's your boy curtis martin and my favorite martin. Yeah exactly n shawn jefferson. Receiver go over one hundred yards. Yeah charger hall of famer shawn jefferson. There let's see. I have a mixed best and worst okay. Later on. it was dennis green. The best was that they shared this fact that when dennis green was coaching the vikings the ballboy on that team. Oh yeah larry fitzgerald. That's also true story so that that's kind of the best. The worst when then green was coaching in college at northeastern northwestern weather on that on that northwestern team steve tasker worse and they showed a book so they put they put up the picture and a dunkerque goes. What's this as like. Oh well let me tell you. Always hidden seen him up and also it was funny because for some reason the video that we have to watch this in the second half all of a sudden like they were having trouble with the audio or something but you could actually hear the guy who was probably in their ear. The commentators you start to hear like the like oh going to commercial in six five four and then you go to commercial so bad they did it. For the steve tasker tasker in three. Went to greg's like what's this is hard right now. That's just that shouldn't happen. That should not happen. Not at this level of the game. Two thousand different time professionals. All right so we have one last thing to announce last last week we had Jeff how on from the athletic and he are all we said. We're going to give away your long athletic subscription for a randomly selected person. Who wrote us a review of the podcasts good or bad and then texted the hotline to let us know that it was you that the lesser of you So picking randomly was was pretty easy because we got one review over the past three weeks And of course that would be our mother who figured out technology enough to be able to review so yes so thank you for that. She told us she told me the other day not to buy for her. We didn't money but she getting it because we are well. I am a man of my word. I'm not gonna vote from either my brother me on that. So yes so. We'll be giving mom bye. Yeah bye. mother subscription to the athletic career. so khun good for her brown. Yeah wait wait wait. did she. Tax a dynasty hotline. Let you know she did. Yeah okay well she she did she text me. I say she did it and she hadn't so i had to let her know that. No you haven't left a review on damn. I forgot to hit the submit button. So she texted. I left you. Yeah and then texted again after it would be like. I think i got it this time. Work mom yup so very nice so yeah so molly brown winner of that and thanks to everybody for listening and not telling us what you think of us. Maybe i mean no is good news. I guess we'll keep doing this. We're not doing it for their abuse. We're doing it for mom at this point all right. This has been yet another thrilling episode of the patriots dynasty podcasts. I think what actually was they could jared for joining us when we have kind of other perspectives of of these games. That we kind of remember but don't remember so. That was really cool absolutely next week. I don't even know one of these days. You're gonna shock shit out of me. Oh no. I'm not i'm like. Oh yeah no. They're playing this game. I was there. We are traveling to ralph wilson. Stadium going back across country from the desert to the frozen tundra Pretty much yeah. I mean it was fifty degrees in this next game in buffalo down from one hundred and nine so eighty nine fifty. It's not even big unseasonally cool and then unseasonably warm boom. Yeah it could be worse. Visibly winless buffalo bills in their hometown. We'll see how they do their but our rights Thank you gentlemen and we will see you next week on the patriots as he podcast he'll.

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2003 Week 4: Patriots at Redskins

Patriots Dynasty Podcast

1:30:55 hr | 10 months ago

2003 Week 4: Patriots at Redskins

"This is christine brown. And while i have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty. You have the choice. Not to my son's sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny but really registering being stupid. You still want to listen. Go right ahead. I am not your welcome back to the patriots daddy. Podcast host danny brown with me. My brothers stephen. Greg brown brothers great really sounded right. Fuck it killing it i am. I am excited to do an episode of my adopted city. You're not from washington dc. Though but i've lived here for since two thousand six six. Oh yeah but you live in arlington. It's completely different is it. Is it takes us saying. We're from boston from new hampshire i. I know it's one of the people like saying half hour away. You're live in brooklyn and like from new york city right. It's kind of red cross three miles from my house to dc brooklyn's not in new york city. This is a close enough across the river. Thing you can say you live in. New york city grows in part of new york. I can walk. Georgetown from my house takes about an hour. That's a better analogy andy jersey. But that's cool. I'm just saying that. You're phoney europe fake and sock lying to us okay. Speaking of phone fakes. Let's get into the redskins and their owner. Dan snyder yeah well before we get any further let can we. Can we talk about what we're gonna call this team. Because i that's a good point i mean obviously there are no longer currently called the this is true name. Do we cut. But they weren't them back then right and like as a historical podcast you still use the term that they were called sensor call them. The native americans are words. Income the skins see i back in my day. I remember the original our word on the knicks. Steve stopped acting Are worded aki so redskins and the whole point as we have guessed by now two thousand three week four where the patriots go even the same as called. What is it. Called steve fedex. Field that that it is now was Facts fields built in nineteen ninety seven. Which in this game called a beautiful place. That is a beautiful day in a beautiful stadium. Dom built in ninety seven known as jack. Kente cook stadium until ninety nine when it became fedex. Field jacket cookies but static no and cook jack. Kente cook cook with me is an american canadian businessman. And he he. They named the team after kennedy date for it did fucking broadcasting owner before care. They're headquartered in lansdowne virginia. That's his stadium is right landsdowne. Now stains over landover landover and like the headquarters. Nash burn virginia. So like bend over and over. Yeah bend over. And i'll show you patriots. Games are on tv. And they're always showing cuts of boston right and faneuil hall and shit and everyone's like that aid you know foxborough it's a fucking miller one way one way out and it's sort of a miserable experience yet they're contains the same way but worse in like middle of nowhere maryland probably a good forty five minutes outside the city surrounded by concrete highways. There is like the very end of metro. Line out there so you could take the metro if you want. But then you gotta walk a mile from the metro. Stop to the stadium. Let's well planned. And then of course this game they're cutting into like the jefferson monument. And all these things you can do in dc same idea. Disingenuous show yeah. It's one of the oldest stadiums in the league to at this point gotta be. Yeah yeah. I mean some of the obvious ones. They're like lambeau. Sold revealed our ed soldier. Field got renovated though. Yeah number have been reading his two thousand and two hard rock stadium renovated. I think the jacksonville won that renovated to will snyder wanted to move swimming redskins in dc into jfk. Where they used to play the stadium. Right in dc on the water and they were like not with that name. You're not hold up with like we're not moving the redskins into dc. It's really yeah. I think that's a big part. And that's sort of what's forcing the name change right now. So then they're going to move now. It's not like a done deal. There's still lisa have a fedex. Snyder definitely definitely wants to move into dc if he's still owns a team at that point what. Dan snyder wants. Dan snyder gets well. Do we want to talk about downsized seemed like a good segue. Greg i know that you. You have some thoughts on mr snider share. I mean as i typically do i look for any characters of interest in these teams that were playing and try and do a little internet sleuthing to see if i can find anything interesting and i mean he obviously has the reputation he has and there was just an overwhelming amount of like basically dan snyder bashing content on the internet like i did. I got to a point. Riles like there's just so much. I was like reading the same thing over and over again listening to say thank you because there's like there's like websites dedicated to like trash in on dance cider. Ooh what are they well. I mean the one that is probably the most comprehensive is the one you sent me to andy like. It's an alphabetical list of reasons. Dance either snuggling. The cranky redskins redskins fans guide to dan snyder. Eighty z an encyclopedia of the owners. Many failings and it was post. This in the so is like a bunch. Yeah there's a bunch of interesting things on there. I pulled out a couple. I think one part that i was a recurring theme is that he's a big nickel. And dime you kinda guy to his own fans which if you're not playing well really doesn't resonate while other fan fan base right which they haven't been doing so f- examples that this one's pretty good so they were in two thousand six. They started off vendors. Offered shell nuts in royal blue and white five ounce bags adorned with air logo. The problem being that the airline had gone under a year earlier and apparently they were all the nuts were like past their expiration date as well and so we just took her with the branding still audit the defendants air brandings. Still wonder how much a bag of peanuts looking for. 'cause i mean stadium. Peanuts aren't cheap. Fifteen bucks right. Yeah where the more like ones here is. After nine eleven they added a four dollar security surcharge to all ticket prices after that happened with no discernible. Difference in like the security at the stadio. Yeah that's really bad. And then they sold like There was like an anniversary or something fifth anniversary and they were selling nine. Eleven hats like memorial hats for twenty four dollars and they were like six dollars more than like just the standard hat so they just like slapped a redskins logo on it. Owns data is a nine eleven half to six dollars more. Classy dude There was a sign incident where all the fans were putting signs up or like they bring science to the game. Where like you know kind of trashing ownership stuff like that. So they banned sides at the stadium but then like a geico had to deal with them and their head. Nick out gyco sides to everybody in the stadium. It's only band. Unless i couple cheap boxoffice for everybody but our corporate sponsors. Yeah exactly us. They're the first people to ever charge admission for Training camp shit. I want to do that like fifty bucks into training camp holy shit. That's a lot they were. There's a rule. I guess in the nfl ball like Having advertisements for alcohol and They were they had strategically placed smirnoff ice and captain morgan's gold advertisements tower in like the sideline of the the main camera. So that they could you know kinda sidestep those rules going. And i guess. There is some partnership with those brands as well shocking. They were pursuing their season ticket. Holders in two thousand nine during the recession period despite claiming that there was a two thousand two hundred thousand people on their season ticket waiting less so they were suing the ones that had season tickets because they couldn't pay their there. Wasn't there some story about like some ninety year. Old lady got the season ticket holder forever. Young that like dude. you tickets. whatever you'll be on the list you gotta wait fifteen years. There's so many people on its to remind you this kind of bullshit and now shut down. And then they had to come out for four semitic. Yeah we got nobody shocking. Because they've been in that time. Yeah have been terrible for awhile. Haven't been great terrible. Once he bought team either. Good up. Until then i send numbers on that too but i mean just think about like as a business person. Do you think it's a good idea to sue your season ticket. Holders your most faithful fans and most reliable income is your season ticket holders and you're suing them during a nationwide recession. Does that sound like a regardless of anything does that sound. like a savvy. Business move well. Let's let's talk about how he made his money. I don't know if i missed it. What was one of the pioneers of email spam la high neared email spam like can spam act like the better legislation against it. Yeah has a lot to do with dan snyder. The that he did so fucked on a money spamming people with emails and email first came out but football team does just coasted since and he looks like the type of guy that would invent email spam does hundred percent. That's get kinloss. Motherfucker pursuing needs a little. I don't know we re asked. He's a whistle. And i think the i read some stuff like idolizes jerry jones. So he's he wants to be the star of the show you know he just suck senate. He's just as good. Yeah and then he kind of like gets his lackeys in there that do will do whatever he wants to do. And he puts them in positions of power one hundred percent. Yeah creates a toxic working right. I also looked through like some of the head coach head coaches in his tenure over. Because there's a lot of names on there that are like you know they're they're good coaches that you've heard of that you know. Outside of the redskins are had really good career. So i let thing hey big name. He's a lot of money. Did that with players to go. Just old guys. Yeah old stars who were past their prime like in this game Bruce smith yeah. Yeah and i think there is bit of a common theme above among the coaches that you know. He was a bit too heavy handed and trying to get involved in personnel decisions. Rather than trusting. These guys steve jobs. But i looked i pulled a few of them out to see what their records were like under snyder compared to everywhere else they were in the correct. And there's a i'll just say is a common theme here so way better working for snyder. Undoubtedly steve spurrier. He's the coach during this and three game. So if you he. He coached in a few. Different areas is most notably was in the ncwa odyssey with florida and then with south carolina. So his record his record in college as a college coach was to twenty eight eighty nine and two with the national title with larva. He was thirty five in twenty one in the usfl. He was seven in one in the af and he was twelve and twenty with the washington redskins. And here's a quote from spurrier. I went to the team that offered the most money instead of the best situation owner and personnel guys. Pick the team. I couldn't even pick the quarterback the second year so i knew it wasn't going to work but that's okay. I probably didn't do a very good job in. The situation wasn't what i was looking for so it was time to move on. That one quote sums up the entire redskins organization. Under snyder of lights amazing. Here's a shitload of money. But we're not going to actually let you do ever gonna pay to do because like i. I can't give that control and then you're gonna leave. Yeah so before. Him is an interesting one how he even got his job. Is marty schottenheimer. Oh remember this Some marty schottenheimer was. He coached a bunch of teams to use a cleveland. Kansas city san diego he was he was forty. Four and twenty seven with cleveland. He made the playoffs. That's all four seasons that he cooked cleveland bad news one on one in fifty eight with kansas city made the playoffs seven out of those ten seasons. He was forty seven and thirty three was san diego. You may playoffs to five seasons and had that fourteen into yeah san diego team at the b Then he was stationed guess started. Oh and five. And then he rallied the team and they've finished eight eight by winning like like seven of the last eight games of some ridiculous. They won eight of their final eleven games. Too narrowly missed the postseason to despite this in a controversial move. Dan snyder the redskins fired schottenheimer on january two thousand and two to make room for former university of florida head. Coach steve spurrier his shiny new toy. So note and what. We took the job for the money and like the one time your team is like showing sides momentum. Maya all men eleven. This team looks good. Barely misplaced like all right all the schottenheimer's record on the skin. Eight is season. He gave them one year brutal. Another name you'll obviously recognized. Joe gibbs is. He was with the redskins prior to the daniel snyder gene so this was back in the day he was before snyder. He was one forty and sixty five with Three super bowl wins in his tenure. And then he came back to the redskins. When snyder is there and he was thirty one and thirty six like hated it so bad that he liked goes into like nascar right the doleful by hateful. Now one four in in two hundred five games for in the original era it took them only alike. Sixty five losses. That'll time in like sixty seven games early up to thirty six losses. He joe gibbs is one of the few coaches who took the redskins to the playoffs or even had winning record. Yes yes he did. Yeah does the rest of the. Nfc was like a dumpster fire. That wasn't like they had a great season. Yeah they were ten six zero five loss in the divisional round and the nine seventy seven lost the card and that division around one was that. Rg three thousand three was. We'll get there. But joe gibbs is the only one that that didn't seem to I couldn't find any quotes of him. Trashing snyder like pretty much. Every other coach there is either like direct quotes are like you know gig references to how displease they were with the situation but joe gives like he. He stayed on as i consultant. Type deal i think so. He's like a legend in in washington. Right steve because he's got to have like he look. I love the redskins and hate dan snyder. But privately joe gibbs absolutely hates what dan snyder has done to the team You got i will say people in dc redskins are the number one team but boy do they like i mean it's just like they had all the ever beaten out of them nine cells team and like they get a competent owner. And you let's like are get an arcade k. In there in the team round and five years the space will be crazy but so many years under snyder is just taken a life out all the fans here turning into lines fans no care more getting me. There are no trevor is out there. The redskins redskins fans all dislike so downtrodden. And i bet. I bet wasn't What was the name of the owner for the lions at they'll want fired On the own treadmill number yeah. You're right. I feel that the owners you know they just they see no hope because as long as nothing. True that sucks then. He's like he's relatively young too right. So fifties sixties. It looks pretty young so like is like what are you hoping for him to die. Like forty years guys. No way on can't really do anything about an owner like you can't force them to well before that guy carolina. They did something inappropriate. He's fifty five years old the way. Damn 'cause net worth two point six billion dollars but like the entire team. He has nothing else has. The team doesn't have any businesses. he's not like a schiller money. His entire acids either literally just made the money in spamming people emails by the team. That that's it as i involved. It's like his entire life arcade shit knowing he's like i'm building place and i'm doing this and i'm doing that you know got a bunch of other ventures going on and get jere massage parlours. I ll right. somebody's jerk. This guy off ends too busy doing it themselves. Better than you wrong these overpaying for it you have a big name. He's going to try. Get our kids now. Over the hill porn star. Yeah get stormy daniels. Yeah the last on. This list was a boy mike shanahan. We kinda talked about how awesome he was. When we played the broncos muniz ted. I like a ridiculous career. One hundred thirty eight an eighty six with denver with two super bowl wins and in washington twenty four and forty one and then they had kyle shanahan on that staff they had sean mcvay kyle shanahan and the who's the coach for the bengals at young guy. Oh yes. I know you're talking about. I can't yes. They're all in that staff and they had robert griffin zach. Zac taylor yeah. They have coaching time. But why would you stick around because you don't get to do any of the actual coaching. You're being told what to do. Yeah oops now. It's ron rivera between cancer treatments. He's trying to coach a football team. Which is good for him but she's yeah took up because he gets an apple. Jobs fell operate but i guess i mean it might be just the steve spurrier attitudes like these guys are offering me a ton of money so yeah but mike shanahan they had a messy divorce. I'm pretty sure that he was the one that the whole robert griffin knee injury situation in the playoffs there there's something about griffin saying that certain plays had to be in the playbook or certain place to be called and that Shanahan got the indication doubt was from the top. Like there wasn't a choice he'd have to play these days i guess. So he's like involved in playcalling. Good lord yeah. Yeah he said this is a quote griffin actually mentioned what plays were acceptable and unacceptable. And when he started talking about what plays are acceptable and unacceptable and that he wasn't a rookie anymore and wanted to voices opinion. The term unacceptable is used by dan. The owner quite often so i had a little bit of a smile when i heard some of these complaints so i mean he might be projecting shannon but maybe but the yeah go traffic tick the context of however. You're the coach is talked about humanitarian. Bill parcells snyder about not being able to buy the groceries. Grocery store could ask for the car. Keys gives allowance every week. Exactly get driven there until what the by. Here's a list. Here is the exact amount of money in the divide. The things you need. Go right so this redskins team. This was steve spurrier area. We talked about. This is spurrier's second year. Yup second season with noted. Qb patrick ramsey. Before i before. I looked game up. All right greg. Can you name any players on this team. Just off the top of your head like most teams. You can get like two or three guys. I couldn't think of a single one. And then even when i looked at the roster there was only a couple of whereas. I should've known that champions lavar does like drug candidate played on the us. The starting running back. Yeah was he ran for six hundred yards of one time show. Well there was a a. I have a birmingham for him. Let's hear it trunk. Manchurian candidate i wrote down. I think i may have said this before. But trump candidate sounds like the newest fox. Show starring kiefer sutherland. I thought that when i read his name to kid one but apparently this. This team had stolen a bunch of teams. From the vaunted offense that was the new york jets of two thousand two that was their big off. Season hall was signing least liverties. Kohl's the up. Which when i was writing these notes i had to figure out how to spell is that that is all over the map. Tanna mosses redskin as well at some point sure. What else started the redskins or went to the redskins but love moss in calls. I've got a mix up because they both played in dc ended jets but that fits sliders on because the member. We talked about the jets. Go into the playoffs. They blew somebody out the colts right five. Nothing and was like wow cool shining saying let me just sign. Their best players can lead to much best players but yeah various colds. I think it was the was the jewel of this. This this crab. Greg did you want to give a shot to spelling. Various right. just. Gimme a buzzer. Once i go wrong here. Ta- l. e. r. and e s know because that's how i would spell the to l. a. v. e. r. a. n. u. e. s. laboratory e. s. Yeah they talked about his contract in this game. Phil had said that he was way overpaid. But like it's very expensive like everyone was questioning the signing because it was thirteen million plus a bonus to be ferry. Dig over twelve hundred yards and six touchdowns i mean i think is a good player but that just struck me as like thirteen. Million dollars is like one season for a middling receiver number two receiver this day. But that's probably like what brady was. Megan these these asked to write thirty million but again so they say your big name who had a good performance recently. Don't you might be able to hell. Here's a shit load of cash reds. So of lineas kohl's they also stole john hall the kicker if you remember him he just had a massive leg couldn't kick straight so kick also is going into the end zone but his field goals he was. I think six four nine on the season so far this year and then the kick returner Was johnny morton something morton. Chad chad morton. Something like that. Yeah speeding which. I think we saw some veal's maybe we saw him last year jets and there was like they're all about like i think he may be one one of the games the jets in overtime because he took a kickoff return back for a touchdown think that was him and then guard randy. Thomas who i have. No idea never heard of him but that was their hall was signing all the jets offensive players secretaries and such. It did work out in this game. We'll say the final score. 'cause we always forget that final score was redskins twenty patriots seventeen. This may be the worst game. you've seen brady play. After all of that. Trashing the redskins. The patriots lost him. Which would be the last loss of the patriot. Season very distinctly. Actually because i was working in. That's by which was one of my first jobs in the work on a sunday for the first time in my life and i was like what the fuck the cycler workings not worth it. Arrogant take a break and they took the break at the beginning of the game all the more senior cashiers whatever szostak working on the patriots are playing that i to take my break for the second half in glad did because they actually did make it a game they did. The first half was nothing to write home about. What into the six three redskins. Yeah it should have been nine three but Their vaunted signing john hall had a field goal blocked by dan klecko. Dan klecko saying right. Not a name. You hear very often but yeah. It wasn't so much that he blocked it that he just beat his blocker in the ball. Like hit him in the face masks to it was a real low kick which i think was kind of a local guy right. Klecko cliquot gives a jet sky. His dad was a super famous jets player and he was from boston area. So he got a of precedent and awesome but it was never any good Marble high and then temple for college. I remember people like you. Still love him and i was like yeah. I remember when really didn't do enough to. Yeah no no. He didn't warrant. Yeah but there was nothing good in this. This first half brady got picked off twice. You could tell brady was hurt. The talks about brady and all his injuries and just injuries in general but specifically before the game had his right elbow drained which i've never had a joint trains. I used to play with a kid who is need. Drain wants 'cause swelled up the size of a grapefruit which is fucking gross. But i can't imagine that's a good thing right now. Brays tough sometimes. And we also know that he's dealing with a separated shoulder still right and so all they're all. Oh so yeah. He's taking care of it by wearing one of those like athletics leaves on his arm. That wasn't a slave to that will do it ever. Drain the main vein. Andy come on now joint but you know what is your mind. They look like taking a hard right sneaking war really talk. Can we do something right now. That i just looked up. Can you look up. Joe klecko 's Wikipedia picture because it is so nine and a half at a voice. This is dan. you didn't take their own meat. Could be pitchers. Oh my. I don't think so i think you can. If you're on wikipedia you can submit it. But what is going on that with a k. Kale calc- gail. What the ever loving does he look like. Andy he looks like the guy from the goonies or like princess bride. Isn't there like a data around the term here but are words skin. Yeah he's like he's got. Ill fitting uniform on like the pads. Go halfway done shins. I don't think he hasn't depends on you. Just it's the guy yeah it is. It's the guy from the princess bride. That's who is the guy that does that. He's the wrestler andre the giant. You looks like an entree giant. He small version. He looks like a young the giant. We'll have to you asked here because this is but he's like he's standing. What next i imagine. His his his college temple temple gear on and the is holding football in his hands at his waist. And mr klecko here seems to be looking at the football quizzically. We've helmet and his hand. Yeah i don't know if he's shoveled looking. Look on his face. is something like either long. Why's that edible edibles. Look at that face. It i love it or hate it. Wow okay not griego klecko. What was that guy's name steve. The one that we've spoken butts sideline that looked up as eagles. Oh yeah for. The eagles play for the seals. Bucko kilroy boever never gonna forget bucko bucko bucko kilroy. It probably go there guys from the same. It cut from the same cloth. Different era absolutely speaking of balls. Footballs being where they're not supposed to be brady. Did not look good in this. First half throwing to threw interception the end zone on like the one drive that they actually like right after the block field goal they were driving again and They got a deep pass interference too. I think it was givens. Got the jessica's he got hurt on that point to. Oh that's right. Yeah on champion. Had champ bailey beat pretty short but at the pi. And then like. I think it was a netflix. Ankle up was gross. Yeah so brady gets picked off in the end zone washington. I think three now they punt and then brady tries to go deep again like the end of the half and he has picked off a champion to basically on the half. So everyone in this in these first couple of games. Everybody's getting injured is ridiculous. Yes so i got injured in this. The luckily came back. Kevin faulk got injured was limping the entire game. Beverly johnson link jackson zinc second round. Pick that year and this year the patriots were going into this game missing. Nine opening day starters. They showed a graphic of it. So we have rosevelt colvin. Mike compton starting guard tomlinson adrian. Klemm fred mccreary the fullback. Who cares david patten mike. Vrabel ted washington and damien woody so base their entire linebackers injured in this game to hurt the they were starting. No-fence him matt chatham in this game which. I don't think they wanted to be but he was in there as a starter and i mean didn't hear his name so i think like well yeah but Yeah like they just didn't have a linebackers then like on the first drive bruschi went down. And you like well like don't you linebackers. Left the journalist entire time on thinking yeah and then the whole tight laws giving it a go because even though he didn't practice all week because of his ankle from last week battle johnson went down and he didn't come back and kevin faulk was the starting running back on the opening drive of the second. Half he fumbled the ball which washington recovered in return to the new england. One yard line two plays in and he hurt his hand on that plane. He didn't return doesn't play by chant. Bailey it was legit in this game. He makes general greatness twelve time pro bowler what he's amazed when he got traded jam. Daily course denver right. He trae to denver for the big name. Running back clinton portis. He played a five years in washington looking stumbled onto the awesome cornerback in the like. Hey look that guy had a great season running the ball as a running back. Can't find one of those from mike shanahan and we'll share like time proble corner of good. Don't get me wrong. You want to hear what he did. After he got traded he had three straight seasons where he was pro bowler first team all pro. He won and you went to the pro bowl in one. Two three four five six seven eight out of the next nine seasons sped ten ten years in ten years in denver pro bowls three operas. He could have done that in in washington. La he's clearly. An elite player could trump's. Yep yeah how long to clinton portis last after your trade washington bad but like it certainly wasn't eight pro bowl that said because running back. Don't last that long. Regard vapor like obviously elevates running backs value names. And that didn't work out so it must have been shanahan. Go get him fight. His s money at a salary. Cap coaches out here. He had a ridiculous here in two thousand six to ten interceptions chant. Bailey was awesome. He was eight picks in two thousand and five and then ten in two thousand sixteen eighteen picks over two seasons. that's long. Why would you even throw to get right. like just. don't even test. The guy who lavar arrington was pretty good too. He zach around because he is in the redskins radio stuff. He's still around here. Yeah that's the only because when we went to the redskins game whenever that was together the only jersey you saw were lavar arrington jersey slaves that cartilage playing. Because why would you buy a regular player. We've got a really good cornerback. Later ship him off to denver to play the next ten years as a pro bowl. With like bruce smith and the very like holy teen was not even on the back nine. What's his name. The defensive tackle from tennessee album ainsworth ainsworth. Yeah so he can lay on the sean sanders sanders says original one. Yup jeff george. The list goes on and on massive names it just everyone is a big name even if the on the town to back it up. It's where stars go to die is what i wrote under smith hoops. We talk about pre smith for a little bit though. His face masks first of all was ridiculous. School which bruce smith the buffalo bills guy which bruce smith is only one. Now i always get him in. Bruce our next up bruce. Sound as gm right yes. Yeah cola different. Bruce smith who was the longtime bills who is like still third on the list and sack or something ridiculous and they were they were he was chasing the nfl sack crown. At this point yeah. It was like two or three behind all time. Yeah the behind. All i do is win and like bro. no it's not true. You just getting the money from snyder and a couple of sacks and ride off into the sunset which spoiler he does yeah. He has a two hundred sacks on his career. Wow philosophy. I guess he's number one strahan. Now has the most season six. Reggie way to know reggie white is who he took it from number one. Bruce smith is still number one. Yes in that grace. Oh so bruce. Smith reggie white. Lt has got to be up there akra now. He's he's tied football peppers peppers up there since four so three. Then we miss. Greg actually showed this in that game india. They had a compilation of everybody. Sacking phil simms. They did. I wrote that down. Who was maybe someone from the purple people eaters give same kind of timeframe steel curtain eagles. Not reggie white reggie. White played on the eagles deep cut name. You wouldn't really think of it. It's kevin greene shit. We can mean. Joe greene yeah he was on the the of. Yeah so that makes also another name often. This team fred smoot rate name. There's got to be a birmingham for that greg. Well there's i. I don't know if we want. We'll get into the fred smoot. When he was on the vikings the the love boat. The love boat always going to go down that path. But we did. We talked about that. He didn't make mega vikings last syria. Maybe you went on a read. It he didn't ask anything on reading. Nicholas yeah yeah. He was yeah. He listened to the the vikings always last season. If you wanted to hear about fred smoot and the shit. He was talking about that that whole situation because he got into it details everything. Speaking of getting into it added military got into it by missing his field goal from forty eight. Which would come into play later. Yeah i mean the blocked kick in the miscavige both really came into play because game and so that led to one of the more ridiculous plays of the game with fox special trunk candidate breaking a huge run ran for like forty seven yards pages. He ran for like twenty yards. Tyrone bye punches. The ball out towards the end zone mitchell's roles. Another forty five yard twenty five yards. Yeah and then they get. It shouldn't in washington recover at new england's ten. I can't like advance a fumble only within certain you can't advance a fumble like inside the twenty yard line under two minutes the ridiculous. Nfl stupid because rules like that like you can't you can't you know now. It's definitely unfortunate like it was a great play by steve. What's the catch to go to the tackle and punch out but happened to cut tackling behind. You know where. There's nobody and willie mcginest had a chance at it. But he missed and so the redskins recovered at the ted which set up. Brock cartwright touchdown run another great adam. Rock cartwright who. That's the point. Like all the no name gotten skins probably do all the good work adele bets. Whose name was brock to rock. Cartwright no rock there's folders roderick rashawn car right but he goes by rock west because he likes likes getting stoned. We didn't get stoned on that touchdown run but that finally wakes brady up. 'cause they're now down twenty two. Three starts connecting with people and hits deepali. Givens for diving touchdown. Sweet row finally overthrew somebody instead of throwing them on deep ball beautiful touchdown so now it's Twenty ten and going to the fourth quarter. Washington doesn't do anything. So patrick drive near midfield and brady gets picked off yet again. Start the fourth quarter. And that's kind of like that was probably the turning point where like the pages had been driving and they were getting some momentum in that just fucking killed it at this point washington's like running the clock which is stupid. It's like five minutes left. They had the ball and they could have just like you know. Put the former offense and put salt of the game away. But the redskins the redskins three dollars. It back then played prevent free minutes left. Let's go into our prevent defense. Yeah and so they immediately to prevent and brazier starts slinging go. No hannele any finally scores. Down to larry centers. Just like just before the two minute warning. So now it's closed now. It's seventeen twenty. This has got to be senators. Only gosh catch with the patriots. Honestly forgot he's even on this team or the future game because they didn't have anybody else because antwan smith is the wheels of fallen off that train. He doesn't play more because he had a pretty dirty hit to faulk was faulk was done too. Yeah is is. The only played one year new england. That was only touchdown. Catch what he had twenty eight his career. Yeah yeah he didn't doesn't he. Or at the time he held the record for like catches receiving or something as a running back because we saw him six thousand receiving yards over his career. Pretty eight nine years like as a fullback is not probably his fullback. Most receiving yards for fullback. Not six thousand. Sixty eight hundred your. He said a thousand yards one year in arizona at one hundred one catches like that's crazy. That's nuts like this fullback running back and fullback heath not fullback as. I'm pretty sure he was You that's what he was listening. I never played the. He's like a third down fullback. Six foot two twenty five so he's can take boy. Big was kevin faulk or antoine. Spirit smith for them. they're about the same size. maybe bigger. Why don't you just let us. Abbas when andy greg is a fullback. You can have it on the up into the best. Pass catching fullback in the history of the patriots. Anton smith listed as running back six to two thirty two so he's bigger. He's taller two inches and six pounds is definitely lower. Bmi okay good. That's a lot of bmi research last week to god. Oh speaking of which you got you want to circle back to something because you forgot to bring it up last week and you told me to remind you. I'm guessing you for the teenage slang what i forgot. We'll come back to. I mean find where it was. That's they all. Just finish this game real quick because yeah we'll go so what steve was saying. Let me let me take us through here because if anyone knows redskins it's me okay. And like they could only not be the redskins for so long. You know true gets back. After we score the touchdown we line up the kicking kicking deep when there's nobody her of course you know one guy back there just in case there's no one there it goes. They still get it on their twenty or so then. They have an intentional grounding penalty which isn't called project so they so they. They dodged a bullet with intentional grounding. That's not called. Then they fall start and so on back five yard so yeah whatever you kind of third down right. Yeah yeah and they all start again so now they're back ten yards so it's pretty much like he did have the intentional grounding anyways and then they miss that are they have sixteen. Hundred is pretty long long. That almost have converted by santana. Moss probably would have been because he like like lost control coming out of balancing the hit the ground like caught two feet down but then like as. You hit the grounds the ballpark. Those so it probably going to catch these as it wasn't back then yeah did make football move. So now you're punting from like your ten punter standing kind of goal line and they false start again. You're on the back of his own. So on and fucking your spots. You've taken like twenty five seconds off the clock. Yeah false started three times. Got away with an intentional grounding. Did the volvach brady. Who just touchdown in like a minute. And he punts like thirty yards but the ball rolls a bit so the patriots start at the washington forty five yard line with one time out in like just under two minutes but just the way. This game was going The patriots literally. Well not three apple. Four out can convert fourth down one first down where they could have now then madman out of thin like a long field goal. Yes was like eight or whatever and it was like. Yeah let's go for. It would have been like a long fifty plus yarder but because vegetarian miss from forty eight earlier i think they decided it was out of his range. Convert this versus your office. I don't know. I thought that play call was questionable. Kick it and see what happens. I mean best part. Is you win the game. Whereas part is you lose it in four sound. Like you're gonna lose it. You try and go ahead touchdown to win outright understand that yeah i mean there still enough time that you probably could have if you convert that first down taking a couple of shots to win it before kicking the field goal but you're on at like typical ballot check. We're not gonna kick a field from your because it's too we're not going to punt it so we're just gonna go for the fourth thousand. Fuck it so. They admitted that washington knelt win. It kind of bullshit tara. Why would you run a drop play. That's my point. Yeah yeah it's third in five. Yeah you're like fringe field goal wrenches. Throw the ball. If a minute left throws we're going to go for it like have two shots at first down. You know throwing the ball as opposed to draw. I think they were sitting opposite. Drop it says. I want to get a couple of yards kick it. They're trying to cheap. I down because they knew they figured that washington would be expecting them to sling trying to go for that deep pass and they should have realized is that the redskins are nipped probably don't adjust. Well they actually talked about how steve spurrier like needed to learn that other teams adjusted his game plan. Because he's not just at the half but like serious this series. I have the clip here. Arthur down greg. A real quick point going back to what the patriots a justice that one play in. Steve spurrier's probably found this out in college. Teams don't adjust holding against new england. They don't just sometimes for a whole game in the nfl. They adjust after you show it to him one time so that is a tremendous difference. Oldie a tremendous difference. The teams will adjust to what you're doing the game. You can't just recruit the best players. They haven't fucking national championship brian. It just pay. Whoever is over there nodding yeah. I think it's a whole different i. If i was a college coach i would never move to the nfl. Unless you peed caroline's all about come crashing down on. Some of the rules are different. I literally just learned last weekend that there's another two minute warning in college. Did you know that the clock stops if you get a first down in college. I did know that. I did not like listen. They don't have any time onto the two minute warning was like no that you get one foot in a new in like if so you're not as dummies ground in your your down. I know there's a lot of again boss look stupid there. So many different between the different roles is like your average of soccer was like that primarily all of sudden others offsides basketball is the same pretty much like the timing is a little different in the three point. Land is different size the rules of the game. Same but even that's like why don't make it all standardized because people in college sock and they had the long three pointer. Yeah you think that's bad you should see medical device regulations seriously. It's the fucking worst. Every single country is different regulation. And they all have to audit you and it's all the same fucking thing. They're all just people that are too stubborn to be like. Hey why don't we just stick with one set of rules. Say like you tell you too. I got it through our audit. Do sixteen nations in your front lobby speaking of our words. Let's let's on some redskins game. Yeah all right you go first. You seem like. I have a lot of sexually so i can go last if you. Yeah you go alaska's the opposite greg. You wanna go. First steve spurrier head ball coach a great nickname by the way ahead ball coach nickname. That's real you never heard that. No yeah so they call steve spurrier. Did you give it to himself. That sounds like a big name gave himself. And i don't know where it came from guys. Let steve a call me head ball coach. He's a pretty sassy guy though. He's right southern sassy for sure. Yeah apparently the citrus bowl was like the second place. Finisher in the sec would go to the citrus bowl. All right so he said i know. Why pay manny came back for his senior year. He wanted to be a three time. Citrus bowl mvp. Yeah he fucking kicked ass of florida. One national championship played in two hundred ninety. Five ninety six one six. Scc championships and was sec. Coach of the year. Five times. And i mean the sec's not so in joke. Conference has the best conference football. Maybe not quite back then but maybe not back down. So yes steve spurrier. he's he's my best. I a lot of fun. Look in looking up stuff from him. Lubbock i wanna say like last week. It was kind of a role reversal this week. As far as the stats go. Where last week they got like outgained aged out yard is on paper. That look like should lost in. This wing was the opposite way. More yards in was three eighty seven to fifty three. I mean washington only hundred thirty four yards in the air. The patriots should have won this game. If you look at it just from the stats would again. it's over. it's yeah. They showed us. They showed a couple of south. Actually i think he's in the fourth quarter. They showed one total yards and second half and the patriots were ahead to forty six to seventy eight and then The qb comparison in the second half boy. Pat ramsey was two for five for twelve yards. Brady was sixteen for twenty one hundred ninety three yards two touchdowns on a pick. I do think i don't know. that's misleading. I thought patrick ramsey actually played pretty decently in like he did but they didn't they just enough because gave him right like you're up big hand the ball off. Don't make a big mistake. Yeah what was the rushing. Totals greg comparatively the rushing todos stack one hundred to one hundred twenty. All i have right now. Is like net passing yards and total yards. But there's like one hundred is its equipment. Let's see rushing yards patriots. One six redskins where twenty nine for one nineteen to one hundred one hundred give tastes low does redskins russian but again like the by the game. And i'd ramsey played fine to make any dumb throws really. I thought okay. I'm sure snyder sitting anything like he looked like i've written down. He looks like a poor man's brett farve because he was just like slinging it. He was doing the sidearm. Throw off balance like into double coverage and it was working for the talking about how strong arm was though. I found this actually pretty fucking impressive. Patrick ramsey absolutely nothing to football. So maybe like snyder went to like track and field event in college or whatever wherever you competed and he threw seventy three yard javelin throw. Yeah something leaders. But they converted into seventy three yards which i far as javelin throw. That seems a little. Terrell i have no frame of reference for what safar javelin throw this. I'm getting like twenty yards. Maybe yeah it's a good point. Just if i was standing on a football field how how could i throw the perfectly-weighted stick. Yeah probably not seventy three yards. No maybe has that out. I can't go football as far. I throw a baseball far now without a couple of bounces bet. The redskins would have drafted jamarcus russell. If they had the chance. I bet they would have. I bet they were trying to trade off for him and they just couldn't. Yeah all right. So worst was worse shirts turnover also another another best here The field field judge for this game. Boris cheek cheek. Baby vote chic. Okay keep an eye out for him rest of the season some good names on that on the officials less. Jim cork ed camp and boris cheek. I mean there's gradients all game. Here trunk candidate fred. Smoot smote and they kept. They kept smoothing the smooth jam. With bruce smith bruce even ladele it just rolls off. The smoke is dad right. I heard what do you want to say. Can you name that other guy there. Oh la say tried. Andy where if you don yee or where i see. Iran fly mr. That's a good one to zellner zellner. Yeah he had a pass knockout. Sat's dude some craziest real name. Pepi zellner no. What is it giving. I'm just steffi zellner by. He goes by his middle names nickname. That's legit doesn't even go. By giuseppe. zellner mama's happy with an eye to. Oh yeah peppy like peppy longstocking a little pepper little peppy kris. Barman longstocking zeller. Okay okay. where is this guy. And what is that is a talion. I mean just as down separatist definitely italian. Greg is from georgia. I'm just. That's why. I didn't say where's he from. What is that name. Steve give me your best and worst. You want me to go instead of you. All right i like. I said i have a lot. I'll go first My best is rodney. Harrison and his shoestring tackles one. Every time he's he's running down from behind he dives at their back leg and clips like used to do in highschool to your friends walking down the hall back. Kick there and he would do that and they hit him on a full sprint. It's go straight face down into the tariff. Well they're also like the two times he did their big plays getting beat like the perfect play on a screen on a blitz. And if he didn't make that tag list price six and the other one was cds covering kohl's in like zone lebron's third and ten and calls adam pretty much be doesn't make that probably going for like forty years gone is gone down the sidelines. He just barely clipped him late in the game to get the ball back. That was his thing. Yeah a so. That was awesome. Also tom brady. I think like. I think it was the first drive. Where as phil simms saying He's talking about brady's arm and his elbow and everything. I had it drains before the game and so they say reno running the football. Protect your quarterback as they're running a reverse that brady is a lead blocker on what she throws like. He throws his shoulder his badge holder into whoever was trying to block getting up like. Oh you gotta be kidding me this chant bailey. I think it may have been yeah. He's trying to block chain like cut block. And this is on the first drive. And i wrote down easily block on the verse with a bad elbow. Knock that shit off and he definitely hurt the us getting up. And you're like what are you doing And then my worst is. John hall's helmet is he had face masks that looked like His helmet was sliding down the front of his face. And that's probably why he missed. So many kicks i think he was the opposite of bruce matt. Bruce smith had half his forehead exposed john. Oh yeah help us. Great like super old school lime in It's the same one that John klecko is probably holding in his hand. Yes it may have been the same helmet. And then i'll see if i can post this picture on the show notes but this picture of cider which wasn't even an a fumble return. That was ozzie down the one and he was doing this and he just you just want to punch them right in the pow teeth and it looks like if a european like came to an nfl game. What do we know. What does this what we do here. This is what the characters in dabbing with cam would do. Got into the red zone fingers. The point yes. it's just like he doesn't know decade. How to celebrate eid so that my worst is just watch fucker get to celebrate and then they replayed it which was even worse. Yeah yeah he's trying to high five is his buddy staying there to hedge fund buddy fuck. That was and they couldn't hi. Fi whole thing only be there sure brutal brutal yeah and then also the last thing. I got a couple of here We talked about the sack leader. Highlights all showing them second phil. Simms was beautiful and phil. Simms is like i did not like that one bit. Shut the fuck up. Phil excel in. Yes fine but the audio in this because this was obviously from a vhs tape but it felt like For some reason at certain points the audio for either filler. Greg gumbel would kind of like go up a little bit into chipmunk territory. Did you notice that. There was a special when they would cut away from the game and they were like showing like a status. Something like everybody's gonna get a little bit higher and it starts out like this and and then it will come back again and even in some spots. Listen listen for for the next game too because it happened in the in the last game to mention it but it happened at certain points went like phil simms would get excited about something so all of a sudden happy. At least like this the play would be over and you go back to normal. It was great it just add a little bit of flair to a game that i really want to watch. 'cause i knew the past lost the fucking redskins you share. It was something to do with the audio quality. Or maybe he's just yeah because it was coming back in and out to the excited we should probably mention it wants to watch these actual games and really like listen to how the pitch of still sins voice and find out. Andy's actually talking about the truth or not. They are available on the peaches dynasty dot info website. Yup yeah i post the game every time in the show notes. I know how. That's such a great insight. Indy must be the vhs quality. Let me go and russia's game for couple of hours seve. It's there it's right at the beginning to starts early go all right. I can't believe no one's talked about the best best from this game. Tear it than an absolutely brutal sack. from william mcginnis. Oh yeah. I have that ranelagh venus if you hit a driver. Flush just like the most fucking. I didn't watch this game. that's fine it's on the highlights on peaches influx number. One highly it is. It's the first time it comes up in the red zone rather early in the game when like right after bruce goes down and i was like man what the hell gonna do really comes in. I got this and clean up and bam greg so watch on ten yard line nine. Just clean the cleanest sack. I've seen longtime from a patriots player. Sexual just straight up like he gets a full head of steam. and patrick. Rand is coming from the quarterbacks like fronts not even blind side but quite i doesn't even see him and just shoulder directly into the chess in cleans him out and it wasn't even like his know. Sometimes you see those and it like hurts you because it looks so violent but that was just like fluid like almost like seemed like ramsey's i kind of leaning into it before so there's just like it just picked him up and carry them and decided play over youthful as big sack do like huge had the beginning a game in the red zone ten yard line and that's they told them for fuel. Goeller steve. I also saw commercial for the brand new hummer larry's because right now they're releasing commercials for the brand new hummer does shoot metric larry's we've come full circle My worst pains me to say it is It's kind of a best and worst right. There's a play where kids are in kind of thirtyish the redskins and bray tries so quick slant read on a blitz. This is a pleasant troy brown and a turns. he's not he's like a second behind brady sony flips his head around the balls on him already. He's not ready for it and it bounces off right up in the air and there's a crowd of people dion just grabs it on third on third and three two. Yeah yeah in the red zone convert off now that plays also on the website to you so negative on trade. Come on you know a timing issue. Yeah probably not really tries five minutes. Brady brady threw it too quick. Yeah brady was overcompensating at this point. Huck in the balls in there. Because he's been under throwing everybody and then had a couple pluses as well for brady. Even they of played pretty poor on this six was touchdown. Oh damn does nice little d great great. Passer is fiftieth awesome. See brady showing bruce respect. You didn't get sacked. But he Bruce sick aspin who've on that light is totally last brazil. Get rid of it. Pretty quick is like three step drop. He's still got knocked on the ground and you wash replayed closely using patent helmet as he was sweet moves typical brain. That's what he does every time somebody gets into the ground. He's probably talking pat him on the helmet trying to talk. Game is a competitor recognized. A sweet sweet move my breath and shares pretty cool that i didn't know that until doing the research that smith the all-time nfl sack leader. And i'm sure. He had a few sacks of patriot quarterbacks in his days with the bills to oh yeah he's been eating drew bread. I mean a lot on drew bledsoe. Try and steve grogan it. Let's be real. I had tried to throw the ball away. In like six interceptions in of grassy proud had six more sacks. Oh yeah yeah. He would have two hundred much quicker. would undergo sell out in washington. Dc for dance neider. Hey gotta make that money. Yeah i'm all about it. We got paid chatelet. We should also talk about this patriots defense to because again. I think we talked about this last week. But this does not look like a team. That's about to win twenty two straight football games absolutely not even close right. They have nobody left. Brady looks like he's struggling. But this defense. They showed a stat. There's obviously must have been before. They score the to touch the redskins score their two touchdowns but opponents in territory in the last three games which had assuming doesn't count house account. We won because this week for the season so the last three games the first four games this season the nineteen drives in patriots territory for the opponents has turned into four punts four takeaways eight field goals attempts one loss on downs and two touchdowns on nineteen drives as touchdowns. Yes so some of the signs are there that they're actually events like they're able to compete pretty well despite all the injuries. Yeah it really does help them of like you know when we get back in the definitely teams early solid. It's gotta be good draft with the same. You'll get reps you know. Even he's he's already. They're starting safety at this point and he's four games rookie year. Yeah i mean by default almost. But yes greg. What did you have about teenagers. are you guys done. Your best worse steve. Anything else he only had four. Derek is losing lose another game. i'm quitting. That's one more to go greg. This website i found last week when we were talking about children's teen slang if his parents on the listen to podcasts. At one point them in direction of net sanity dot net forward slash team slash. Slaying dash parents guide. It's it's it's all about decoding teen slang and what what is what's good harm was. Let's good harmless fun in what you need to be concerned about. Yes so they got Let's see what categories well ways how to stay on top of trends in terminology One idea they have is to bookmark. Urge urban dictionary. Oh even. I don't know that book martin. I'm sure they have an app. You download the app to your phone. She's like no. That website is very specific things. Only now you don't want to just go poking around in there and see what you find a really urban thesaurus shouldn't it. Can you imagine that's a couple of middle aged parents said like suburbia white kids. They're just like what is this fucking west good god They got a couple of different categories to how to look for things. Here you know they have fun and harmless team teenage slang like bra. Fan goat hanako. P in your estimation how up to date is this website. You are wearing a backwards hat right. Now it's his little because there are like things to keep your eye on up and coming there like a lot of people sound like they're starting to use this thing called tiktok. They got So they have like harmless fun and they have teens slang terms to keep your eye on bay that could be concerning vaccaro. Who what does avocados to mean. Used to describe a person who is socially construed as straight by those around him or her but in actuality is gay. Oh so they're in the closet. Yeah so andy denied. If you stick now are v. Ever thought handy god windy. We've done forty something episodes of this fucking podcast. No one time. I gotta leave to go. Pee lost their lgbtq plus. So you only hear. Some of the warning flags this that teenage slang. You fucking shit. you should down for. Who girl netflix and chill. Oh we see your kids. Doing that could mean quotation making out close jay or sex oh man wise making out in quotes so scare postponed smash to have casual. Sex is one to keep an eye on also. This is my favorite or twenty slang for marijuana. Figured that one out by your kids are already maladjusted. This isn't gonna help like so many other things probably not even on the site all those parents out there that is net standard dot net ford slash teen slang parents guide. Oh boy love fucking low people especially you. We love you. I always say. I'm the hippest one on his by gas right. Why do you say that's like saying you're the tallest midget. But you're you're the youngest. So i guess by automatic. We don't use the word around here. What do we use greg. You're the smartest redskin the term is the one eyed man in the land of the blind. That'd be that's credited. I think that's true. Yeah you're the two. I'd men in the land of the one-eyed yeah. It's no better. i'm gucci bro. I was trying to curve mu right now. Don't make ghost you reading out this website. You saw the low key handy is an avocado. Hi andy for sure. Did you hear that andrew sure did okay. That's cool your ghetto spread and fuck in your avocado toast bro. I'm pretty sure is just like a way to make. Fun of millennials avocado test. Possibly i'm not hit greg. You tell your feet swallow. Yeah that's what i do. When i go to swallow foods baby you get turned up got right on that i keep at one chug that buccio baby all the avocados you can eat boy There's gucci man. i tried these gucci. She's like hey good. And i was like it's gucci spelled. A gce jibe. Because you know. Even i know that's right. It's g. o. O. c. h. Donald is right. Or not. But i'm assuming gooch which is i use. All the time feels right. You're live on the podcasts. What are you thinking breaking up. You're breaking outside. Kicks that on. The greg checks guy be something applicable on here so i heard that there was a a term smash but is there something for doing a title audience afterwards. Yeah that the smashing sweep who straight fire. Something hot her trendy that could apply. Yeah andy you look like a snack snack. Are you before. Because i'm trying to buy a snack. Gmc andy. i don't know that one get naked on camera now. Makers should i love the warning warning. Flags wa- podcast on him so we should probably stay away from that to this. Buji boozy greg That's going you are acting extra. I will say all right speaking of absolutely useless. Let's wrap this podcast up. Yeah yeah what's next week. We play in who we got. We the tennessee titans rematch last year. Yeah this is it right. This isn't that the last loss to tune in next week and find out. Steve steve. We actually talked about this with brian. Maury yeah laid scored touchdown in like everyone cheers at the wrong time because the red sox appointed some shelly correct and the so angry that they decided they would never lose again a lot away and then we're onto the ope before we go. Don't forget we have hotline. Oh yes the number sent you anything. Andy well those episodes have aired yet. so no. but they'll start airing this week. I think so. I will keep you posted. What's the number texting now. I five five five five six three. Hi jones yeah. He's not young also a hot tip. Brar bans the dave chapelle. Show all on. Netflix is now yes to check that. Oh six oh three. Five zero five eight zero four three which may or may not be andy. Apparently it goes right to eddie avocados. I got it on my computer. So i can. I can respond so again. We will put out the warning. It is not a one-way form of communication. Then go both ways it was. It was five. Oh five troy brown for three four three right. It is troy brown. Shoot a three pointer from the corner. Great basketball player. Oh yeah i bet. He's a glue guy. he's a hostile good. He gets back on defense. Yes yeah seem. A great passer also can canal three and we nailed it. Everyone's all about it. Oh yeah you know. I think people calabrese threes nana. Everyone loves troy brown for three. Oh yeah which. There is a college basketball now. I think called troy brown yes. He's looking for troy brown. Jerseys troy brand college. Jerseys can't find him but you can find the the basketball player. I think he's ready to go to college. Isn't there might be in the ama now but when i was like i was just looking for troy colleges. You went to marshall greg. Yeah the thundering herd. He's got the whiz boss. Yeah d.c. has their own tribe brown plan basketball. See always always gotta get the wrong one though. Try browns definitely better. So what i'm saying. So all right steve. Mcnair jeff fisher. Eddie george frank. Y check and the three and one tennessee. Titans joe let stadium. The patriots are reeling. Patriots are favored by one point. Going into this game pero own field advantage baby still fans i guess still do. I can't wait to day. Where like they used to be. Fans in the stands exchange bang lines. They used to have. Football is a game that you can find fucking dare say that andy. Well at least we have this. Podcast memorialize it. Patriots are currently two and four. They're reeling. But i'm not giving up yet. We jets week. We're going to bed this week with the dolphins fan of my work. Whoever finishes higher in in the division has the other person jersey of their choice whoever finishes higher by the jersey now losing our jersey jersey of their choice. What would you choose. I got my ianna randy moss jersey. 'cause i don't trust anybody on the current roster to be on the team next year then chase winovich a couple weeks ago but i'll say i'll say gilmore because he's twenty four twenty four collection if he wins he wants to win. I'm just gonna order. I'm of ryan fitzpatrick. One and just deal with it. Greg to from Maryland a jesus. I love it all right. Well we will find out how these patriots do because Just like today's patriots. These really starting. The season need to right the ship against the incoming titans. We'll see you next week on the pages. Zazie podcast alike.

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2003 Week 3: Patriots vs Jets

Patriots Dynasty Podcast

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2003 Week 3: Patriots vs Jets

"This is christine brown. And while i have to listen to this podcast as my mother. Judy you have the choice. Not to my son's sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny but really just being stupid. You still want to listen. Go right ahead. I am not your lucky back to the pages. Data's podcast host. Andy brown with mayor a beautiful brothers. We are all for some reason the same today their baby blue shirts and our backwards. It's just kept rather intuition. I wouldn't even call each other for this. Just happened to love when that happened. All in cowherd we'd be pissed off was we're all matching now because he hates people that wear their hat backwards. That's right yeah he's calling carson wentz saying he's like immature for wearing ass backwards at a press conference. How dare he. You never see cam. Newton backwards hat. That's for sure that is true. Can't tell if a top hats backwards or forwards loophole baby so as argument that the hat was backwards hat on at all if you're warrant forwards that have been okay. Yeah it's the backwards at gotta a bee in his bonnet Shame for calling. Cowherd poor guy speaking of cow herding now. Now i couldn't do it. I that in this week is thousand three week. Three era get along in the in the two thousand three season. It's been kind of enjoyable more enjoyable than last season. I think i realized why it's because there's a payoff at the end of the season. So the winds are fun to watch and the losses like don't matter as much because you know how it ends and none of those are only one game then exactly exactly But yeah this is the jets. Come into town the oh and two new york jets. Struggling on the season we tie. These jets aren't much different than in the past. Well this covered in the chad pennington. Deep dive right. 'cause this is he must have got hurt in that fourth. Preseason games three games ago right in their backyard back to the well vinnie exactly so i was gonna say the only real difference from last time we saw them was. Starting quarterback is back to vinnie. Tests have already vinnie green head. Green old green had himself a green testicle. And what a difference it makes final score twenty three sixteen something like that. It wasn't even that close feeling. It wasn't that great since he watched the whole thing. How did you watch this one. I give it a two out of six all right. That's there wasn't much. No where the i don't know they. These jets games. It's all the same roster like the bills. You get the blood so stuff dolphins. I guess they're kind. Enter into the jets. Just they just bore me in this generation. You know they don't. They're not terrible but they're not good. There's kind of like a. I'm going to give a three a three super bowl trophies in championship. Okay does while. I agree with you. Greg not a lot going on in this game bump it up one trophy. Just because you beating the jets. I knew that's where you're headed with that. Yeah i was gonna give it three. 'cause it's beaten the jets but i kind of do it. By how many highlights. I can pull from a game when i'm doing it and so i can put it on the website and i think they were four total highlights in this entire game and i think they were like two of them. Were in the first quarter and the other two are in the fourth quarter like. There's a big gap in the middle. That was just borderline watchable as we discussed before we started recording though. Andy you missed the good low lights. Yeah i don't add other teams highlights to patriots website. It feeling it's not their highlights. Page wants to see this is stuff that shamed of. Are you censoring well. I don't know if he's if you saw this player but the Fake field goal to kevin y the center. Yes kevin milwaukee or going to what is going to get into this. When i talk about the jessica rate yes so you want to talk about the jesse just said how shitty they are i have i have a trivia question for you okay since in honor vinny testaverde back Tom brady just this week was named. Nfc player of the month right. Maybe actually yesterday and he became the fourth. Qb to win it in both afc and the nfc can name the other three thirty. Yeah one of them. Yeah he did it. Three three separate times around in one thousand nine. No that was one of my guesses. How awesome the browns and jets was vinny. Testaverde drew brees. No mcnabb is like a this generation guys their names you've heard of the kind of earlier than the nymphs the other to a deep tencent. I wasn't born. Yeah you've seen both of them play sir on the radio. I think it'll sims. Chris collins earth he played for the bengals starting the bengals carson palmer and then went to the jets and they went to the cardinals said that so i never would have got that a million years. Yeah and the other one's warren moon also never would have got useless useless. That's that's so obscure cool. Cool your question andy. Guy who runs bar trivia and is asking like differential equation show bartram people the worst fucking idiots big dig dummies up in here. All right finally the speaking of big dig dummies. Let's talk about this field goal. Fake field goal in six three pats. Now we're in the The second quarter now passages kicked the field goal actually. The pats driven down inside the jets. Five yard line twice on their first two drives and settle for field goals on both of them. So that's cool. Because brady captain sacked on down to which is great as pats up six three and the jets drive to their new england like twenty nine and instead of kicking field goal to tie it. They attempt a fake field goal where they snap it to the punter who throws it to their starting center. Who for some reason was lined up on the wing on this play instead of like tight end or someone like that. Kevin y hits in the hands not a perfect pass. He's also double covered by the way if you notice that. Yeah by tedy. Bruschi and mike rebel. I believe yeah. So tightly covered throws into double coverage and incomplete. And no i'm not gonna put on. A website tastes better than that. I want to laugh at the jets. Did her medical website. Yeah because it was a play that the patriots made a fumble recovery that they return for a touchdown. Why would you not put it on there. This is just a bumbling circus. Show the butt. Fumble has the where bum in it. Did you hear herm edwards. Talk about it when they interviewed him after the game and they asked him he actually pretty good for. He's like he's basically like yeah. We suck but flag. Why not why not try shit. You know like. I'm not going to go out there and just play like boring. Football moves every game. He's like i'm going to do things that are different to try and win. Games literally almost said the you play to win the game. In like different words he said basically that which sticking to his guns. Yeah i kind of respect it like if i was supporting shitty t i'd be like let's try a fake. Let's do something because this is just watch him in bad boring football fuck that yup i mean. The browns have fun teams right well. What year was that. You play to win the game like tyrod clip of him. It's usually two thousand gay salam general timeframe maybe looked up before and decided that were found an oral history of members too. I think so season before then. Yeah i'll tell feeding. Him jess just made the playoffs in two dozen to they did and tober would be playoffs speaking well. That was two thousand one. I believe that that quote because when peyton manning couldn't stop interceptions off when a game golden age of hilarious quotable head coaches. I'm a man. I'm forty three. He's still kicking around. Is he still doing the college circuit you got. He's i think he's still at oklahoma. State got to him got in trouble recently for some insensitive things if agean that to bring it back to Herm edwards playcalling there on that fake. It makes sense considering. Kevin y never ever caught a pass ever in his info career. So was it was one of those things where like the idea behind it was good. It's just the execution was kind of hawk garbage. It doesn't make sense like if you have a backup. Qb as you're older okay. Or if you have a tight end out there like the patriots used to have gronk basically in that exact spot blocking for field goals. So i mean that seems to make a bit more sense in like we don't want it to offense of lyman mike then that ravens game in the playoffs that ineligible receiver guide to trickle but he was wide open. You know like literally zero people recovering him not are two best coverage linebackers right. Yeah i mean. There wasn't a whole lot of misdirection happening. But it didn't really matter because this second quarter was kind of a hot mess patriots gut that i felt like while. I'm washing these first. Three games knowing what's coming ahead and we're going see one more loss in the next like twenty-something episodes. This is not look like a team. That's about to reel off a bunch of winds. Now they're dropping like flies. They're getting hurt. Yeah because like there's a ton of injuries already. Even in this game rosevelt colvin is out for the season with like he had that hip injury which i complete forgotten about until they mentioned in this game. I don't like some sort of fracture in his hip or something like that and they were like super cagey about it. And it turned out like he couldn't play the rest of the season and he was there big offseason signing and then in this game ted washington goes down which will leg injury and the the commentators. We're not gonna talk about who it was. Because i get all riled up. we're talking about how actually no it was the the side it was. It was leslie on the sideline talking about how Because he was down. The guys are replacing him. We're both seventy pounds lighter than he was. Is that nose tackle guy because ted washington waiting at three hundred and sixty pounds and the guys replacing him were a lightweight. Spelt two hundred and ninety. I had a lot of notes on this. Okay this nine. Expect you to have your notes. Then yeah well. This is where it started was good old. Mount washington aka the washington monument at six foot. Five you he went up to at least three seventy five during his playing days. Who's a serious about three sixty five and actually asked chatham about it and chatted matic quote. Once you get to that weight you stop stepping on the scale anyway. What does he truly zych. No one really knows. But it's a fuck about. Yeah so how. Many how many seas would you put in thick for. For ted washington describing is at seven or eight right in having here's is like legendarily thick but that got me thinking like what are the heaviest players that have ever played so we keep you around. Went down that rabbit hole. I'm interested to hear where those leads. Yeah so there's a few. Nate newton played for the cowboys era. Super bowl teams. Who on three to six pro bowls. He was six three four hundred and one pounds while at six three which is pretty impressive of his nickname was the kitchen because he much bigger than the fridge. There's nothing better than like fat for bombs. I'll get to the fridge but the heaviest player ever to play with aaron gibson. Let us guess how heavy was okay. Steve what your guests or a quarter sounds. I guess i'm going to say four thirty. He was four hundred ten pounds so but he played at four forty in high school and so he dropped way to make the offensive. Lineman you sit yes six six four ten so yeah. He was the biggest. I mean a lot of these guys. I think when you get past like three fifty. There's like multiple numbers floating around. But i'm just going on. Yeah the best scale. Stop work once you pass fifty these. Don't even step on him anymore. That too so the obviously the one of the most famous ones is william the refrigerator. perry. I mean he's part of that super bowl. That scored a touchdown against the patriots. What was it super bowl. Twenty eighty six. Whatever the number so he was six to three eighty five so he's shorter and slightly fatter or thicker than ted washington. He played on the defensive. Right line. right. Yes but also also away a fullback which is why he got so famous. He weighed two hundred pounds at eleven years old. At apparently he was like a freak athlete at that like middle school high school age like we used to run one hundred yard dash for his high school. He could do a three sixty dunk on there saying he was on the diving team. He's on the what team diving team guy a guy on the diving team. He can only dive once after refill. The pool would love to see right because my my point of comparison for fact guys. Is vince little right. Yeah that's a pretty. He's a big dude not massive. Do you have any guesses anyways. Sixty short three hundred twenty five six six to sixty three twenty. Five so nate newton. Six threes 401 is just insanity has a lot to do it right place to put it. Yeah because even one of the. I have some other. Notables trent brown he was sixteen re eighty so he didn't quite look it's wide as will forbid he's just a huge dude so i think that plays a lot into it so more on the fridge. Here he had the largest super bowl ring ever fitted. It was a size twenty five where the normal male adult has a size ten to twelve so size twenty five. You could fit that over a hotdog. Damn i'm assuming that's like a is it the same as your waist is at the probably cause ed on his pants. I don't think it is but we're going to go with it. Yeah he's he got really like famous during those bowl days because he was kind of like that. Like you know funny guy. He's scored touchdowns. Everybody knew him. They select toys with him on it and like that he had a great nickname So then i i i. Further went down the rabbit hole to a two thousand two celebrity boxing match between the fridge and manute bol ballplayer basketball tall and ski though right like tons gays loudly rated way to define you picture. Solid skinny he's is a legitimate steck bog. He weighed in in height. Seven 7-foot-7 seven two hundred forty pounds day on 7-foot-7 already. What's the reach on that though one owed to okay. Well you have a video of this boxing match. There's a video on youtube. How long is it. It's like fifteen minutes. Damn that box imprint for that long. It's so perry with six three. They had him listed as three fifty plus the commentators that he broke our scale while weighing in. Please probably pushing for hundred and let me tell you. He was not in good shape the to he was in his prime and eighty six like. Yeah yeah and i think he. I think he struggled with his weight a little bit at some other. He's going on by either. You know they. They show the hype videos. Mike training in the gym. It's worth watching for that because the fridge is wearing a hawaiian shirt in a kangol hats. And it's just like lazily. Punching at a bag maneuver bulls like shadow boxing or like sparring with a guy who's like five four and it's just the most ridiculous visual who won manute bol wine in a landslide. I'm pretty sure fridge didn't throw a pint. She was just kind of like you. Beat and like us just gotten a check you know does prize at the videos fifty minutes long. I didn't think the fridge could go for that long. Yeah they went three rounds perry. He didn't really pine. She kinda did some shelves towards the end. The ref said you'd better start. You say veras very start fighting. Or we're not gonna pay you know legitimately said that the refs so that's a shit but manute bol was doing it to raise money for sedan. He's sudanese the. And i kind of like did a little brief looking to him. He's he's a pretty amazing maneuverable like he's an ambassador for sedan he's done tons of humanitarian work and he's like super super legit so shout out. Shout out manute bol and his son bowl bowl surreal bowl ball first round traffic. Yeah he's in the nba right. Yeah with handles. It's ridiculous tells. He is he seven plus same thing. I think he might not be quite as tall but he's also stick bugs status. Yeah at. it's like stick. Bugs sits watching them play sports. Fucking crazy oh my goodness show you want here. Some other notable here. I've said a couple other guys are on the list. Mci becton the jets first round pick from the previous draft. Oh yeah yeah. Six seven three sixty four went the eleventh overall. He ran his forty faster than tom brady. As if it hoping we decided you. How big was he though. Six four six seven three sixty four to him. It's a big dude. Yeah he ran ran the forty in like six steps. He's a crazy. Athey and i guess he's doing pretty well to the jealous and then you're the guy i had. Well actually roy. Williams from the cowboys use their safety. He a bill parcells nicknamed biscuit. 'cause he was one biscuit shy of a linebacker. That's funny well quote about kelvin. Benjamin to you one biscuit away from tight end dow makes sense. Somebody said on monday night. Football booger said that on monday night. Football booger stealing from bilbo sells again again. And then the fat is punter. Ever sav raka sixty five to sixty five for the giants for. I had him as the washington football team. Name that she'll be not named wasn't the football team at the time hours. Yeah yeah it was an osce rules football player that came over and play in the. Nfl loved him boy. I'll say rules football that's it. That's all my notes for the game. Okay thanks thanks for child. Appreciate them so for any of you. Who had on their bingo card. Greg goes down on a fat guy. Deep dive You can check that off in ends up in basketball and talks about the new bulls humanitarian work. And i love the internet guys got. Oh goodness yeah all right. Well that's l. Let's see bring this one back andy. I don't know all right. Let's see you could could've brought back around. Trent brown or mci becton i mean jets environments speaking of job chess offensive linemen. How about that faye field. What fucking stupid. Find out what god. Yeah that's i can't recover from all this talk. I'm just like i'm this long right now. What i want to know greg is. I think you should write a blog post about it. Our know who the fastest fat guy was in terms of like forty time to wait. Yeah i tried to look that up. Like who who is the highest bmi. Like wait tommy saying like you like the fastest fat do so in terms of like who will fattest. Yeah but also ran the quickest so like somebody who's four hundred integrators inertia. Yeah yeah are we talking speed or velocity. I don't know dude. I know what those words mean the same. Is you speed with direction. isn't it. Yes you didn't see that did you. Is that'd be pulled elbow deep up my ass right eleventh grade physics not bad. I feel like i always. I know it as you do. Speaking of velocity. We had another tom brady. Touchdown run in this game in the third quarter of a week three game. This is the patriots first rushing touchdown of the season which blew my mind. Didn't help that. They also shortest out and anton smith on the season was averaging one point eight yards a carry. So that's great. Imagine a kevin faulk averaging like five something and he actually got most carries in this game show carried them but they showed a stat earlier on the game where they had rushing paterson on the season. Jamal lewis who. I'm assuming was the leading rusher for the ravens. Had three hundred sixty four rushing yards through three games on three touchdowns clinton portis to forty nine and touchdowns the jets and patriots combined. Two hundred and forty five yards and one rushing touchdown. Three games curtis martin. Right the jets as a team in their first. Two games had accumulated seventy eight total rushing yards in the first two weeks six worst ever in the history of nfl. Tough and there were there. Were saying that on the season. They were thirty three running backs like individual running backs in the league that had rushed for more yards in that right. The jets offense was the thirty four. Th ranked running back in terms of yards gained on the season. He gets it together though. Right curtis i think he ends brushing for thousand yards on the season. Yeah touching mall perot the next year too. So he's not this is not the downfall of curtis martin. It's just a slow start. Is that fair. i think so. Yeah i think that's basically what happens here. There's a slow. Start for the jets. In general and i think they are still kind of recovering from the chad. Pennington thing even though which is weird because he must come back this season because he finished as the leading passer on the team. Yeah he does and santana. Moss went for over a thousand yards and ten touchdowns surprising because the jets finished six and ten last in the afc east. Isn't that surprising though. Little bit they had Saying jets blowing it. I mean they had they had pro bowl of sean ellis with twelve and a half sack the team. He was the guy that they picked with the bell. Check pick right. Yeah and also a forty year old tests. That's true starting at quarterback so that's not going to help go. I don't think vinnie was bad. Like like you say. Greg i feel that that painting injury in the fourth preseason game But this team up for a couple of years. Yeah yeah 'cause we compare these games in there not too far apart that when we lost the end of two thousand two and this one nearly five games or so apart and they're coming off that like forties one enough in thrashing of the peyton colts two in the playoffs. So they're they're coming into the season supposed to be good right. They have high expectations and then they then they put funny in four brief season. Fucking her her. I'm speaking this out loud. And more i'm saying is her glue. It right fucking idiot many well. Okay we're gonna suck anyways. Those call terribly denying speaks misty. Said dak out. There should be good day. Just fucking around. Jesus mentioned earlier. Any of this team does not look like they're about to go to rip off a huge right like the offense looks completely out of sorts. They can't get a running game going. Brady looks like he's hurt. Yeah he got hurt again. This and we already talked about how he had his separated shoulder. You're still dealing with the same. I guess after the previous week's game the eagles he had Like a bad elbow and it got rocked again in this game like he was throwing and he got his arm caught and it was like and he he was making these like weird mistakes like you went to pump fake and threw the ball backwards over his head. Yeah the old empty hand. Yeah exactly and it wasn't like it's not raining. Nothing new wasn't cold. It was just a weird like unbranded like sort of thing. What branch got hurt in this game. Two oh yeah we're talking about injuries weren't and then we got us. Negotiator patent went down yet with a need and come back. Brady was tied on all went down with an ankle injury that looked like it was broken and he was like riding on the floor and then That opened door for asante samuel to come in and all he did was I play the fourth quarter. Got a pick six off of the good old verdict for fifty five yards first ever interception in the nfl is a great ones. It was a fantastic the game. Seven point game at that point yet started for probably have like they're like midfield driving down for points. Yeah this is the drive. Where right after the patriots scored their only offense touchdown with brady running it in and so the and the jets have been kind of driving all day and they kind of picked it up in the second half to like they drive down the field and then they do some stupid like try. Fake field goal or not convert any third downs. I think there were like. I wrote down somewhere like they were really bad and one for thirteen on third down for the game. So there's it they they drive all the way into territory and then got a third down not convert it to this great Yeah so like greg sane like the jets. Get the ball back. They're driving again like they've been doing all day. Get to about midfields and i don't know wasn't a great throw no sante out route and like tipped it up to himself. Yeah yeah he's gone to face the doctor straight up. Again i would define him his running scampering scenic asante samuel was like a scam. Berko seems to be like running. And i don't know he just. He felt like he was like like tyler physical guy. I saw say always just like it was all quickness like those bugs are on water the little water. It's funny you say. Her sitcom waterberg national geographic. Hr with the brown brothers speaking of which Listen to the outside in podcast cast by an. Hp are great No yeah. Let's talk about your sandwich. Go fuck yourself and you yelled at me for i show stuff you know. We we promote different pockets on this constantly. If it only ones that. I like an income up. People aren't trying to use the fucking listener was because we're a bunch of big dummies. Greg hunt sack is but speaking of asante. Samuel running style. They actually had a quote from ballot. Check about how. Asante samuel is quote built like a soccer player. He just built different. Didn't explain what that means. Just that he's bill. I know if that's like a a dig at soccer players. Greg care to respond. That just means they're not good in the weight room. That's all that means. Well at least you're honest about it. Trust me so when you when you're at. Unh plan saga. How many times did you lift weights. I used to go occasionally. Kelly always tells the story of. She came to my house. And i was sleeping when i was supposed to be at lifting. But that was of romania. S- because i was supposed to be i couldn't make lifting because i class i was just skipping class. Obviously so i went to one's supposed to that. I didn't have class sometimes. I skip glasses. But i wasn't gonna skip class to go lifting. That's you've got a an interesting moral compass. I will say that. Yeah but we used to weightlifting. The weight room as football team and like the the trainers weightlifting is there. Like you'd see them with the football team and they'd be like hyped up playing loud music getting in people's faces cycle so much energy in that room and then we will get there and they'll be like okay. Yeah we wrote some workouts on the whiteboard do that and then they just go in their office until thanks god some smooth jazz thanks. You can't handle the the real steam so he did not give a shit about us and for probably for fair reason. We weren't as interested as that's fair. What about the hockey players. I bet they probably lifted like football players especially at a hockey school like. Unh right. i never. I don't think it was ever in there. Were lifting. but they were very think hockey. In general you're off the they're super casual attitude towards the sport or they're not like all we gotta work hard. They're more like. I can see that might flow is used to see him do like fitness stuff outside and they were fucking around slack and they just look like a bunch of dopes dogs. Yeah i think it's way more important to be skilled in hockey than it is to be fit if that makes sense. Yeah like if your hand. I think everyone breaks miss level of fitness. Really hard sports play from a fitness level. You played hockey for a while too. Didn't you and like you said it was miserably hard. Yeah no not fitness wise. Because you told me hard on skating's such unique skill and it's like it's such. It's really hard sport to like break into and get past the first learning curve. Once you can skate. It's okay. But i thought i came into late and now it's terrible and it was fucking miserable for like two years. Use the boards to stop because he couldn't stop the problem for a while offing. We stopped curtis martin on that first drive third you. Speaking of running backs kevin faulk. Mvp of the two thousand two season like we talked about Continuing that run. Yeah he had a mixed day. They talked about how he was the all time. Kick return leader. Which i thought. Oh that's a real thing or still stands turns out it does and not only that he Leads patriots kick returns. Kick returners in terms of yards by god like another quarter. He ended his career with four thousand. Ninety eight kick return yards patriots all time. We're all time all time patients time. Okay in second place else. Hobbs pretty good thousand nine hundred and thirteen return yards. Doubled him up. Not quite but yeah. It's another extra thousand on top basically well. Didn't they change where they kick off from. His win were touchback. Now there are now. Yeah yeah so. Yeah that never be broken unbreakable records. Mother didn't gravy explain number three. Is dave meggett. Greg your favorite Twenty five hundred yards and right behind him was the other kick returner in this game. Johnson ethel that's interesting. You flack house. And he did. He's done okay. This season while all right what did he flash for you steve talent. Yeah i know we're like can you explain the plays. Maybe or what he did. He took the ball and for somebody who perhaps didn't johnson one highlight all our listeners. Andy just think oh yeah. Everyone listens going to agree. They watch the fucking game. Johnson he only has to highlight he catches the ball and then goes really fast. Wow that guy's pretty fast. Actually he had one other highlight that involve him with the ball running really fast. It involves him running down santana moss apart return because they were both really fast and the only person on the field that can run down. Santana moss bethel johnson hidden with the old daniel. Graham watson bed watson sure was daily and i came back off. That's what it is now. So i was actually thinking In this game that if we have some younger listeners we may want to kind of explain who these people were talking about now are in terms of current players will like that and so two one there since the one that stuck out to me was vinny. Testaverde is the original ryan fitzpatrick. What do you mean journeyman. who've everywhere he plays. I mean they're never liked true starter houses. He had yeah he was what i say is the only one of four quarterbacks afc nfc player of the month and he did it with three different teams including melgen. Johnny unites in this game on the all time list. Forty thousand passing yards. Now one of eight guys that is longevity but leave discusses earlier as well if you got be good enough to be around long enough. There's a certain wasn't affectionate needs to hit. He wasn't baby. I'm one of the younger listeners. 'cause i only really remember tests verdy from two thousand on where it's so. He's he's an eighty seven. So i probably missed like the real flash is where you're like sky talent yep leadership but he's kind of just like he was serviceable not like you could get like a huge win out of this guy. He's fifteenth in career passing yards right. Now i'm still pretty good the luck and wealth and sacks he got so many opportunities crazy yeah. He was all over the place he was. He was the one that replaced. It was a bernie. Kosar and in cleveland's ballot jack was there. Yeah and they they have them for it. He started sixteen games in dallas in two thousand and four. What are you going to pick up a forty one. Year old quarterback in start on the whole year duty started six games and seven for carolina. He wasn't five and ten. What l. parcells right sells for four cowboys. Billboards cells scooped up forty one year old. Vitesse testaverde's like we're rolling with this guy the year. What a fucking idiot. There must have been when it must be because drew henson went down because drew henson was one o- on the season. Okay that makes no. He started one game but played in seven. So maybe not what the fuck all green green head. So yeah he is. He is old. School ryan fitzpatrick. Yeah he is the early two thousands ryan. Patrick who else do we have had another one. But i've forgotten outs. My mind curtis martin. Who's is comparison. I mean they're really quiet. Workhorse running back. Yeah yeah. I liked that one bad when yeah ballot hall of famer reductivist shit. You're in. Europe is productive longer than you expect him to be. That's a good one steve. Yeah that's a pretty good see rodney harrison. Who'd you compare harrison to these days like tire matthew maybe more. It's so yes somebody who plays moll adams is super confident. You're heavy hitter like playmaker ball type. Earl thomas might be a good competent. Because that's not a bad one of hate him if he's not on your team but if he's your team kinda love them. Apparently everybody's actually on the team hates them are kind of like always walking the line you want when he's on your team you fucking love the guy but if he's playing somebody else he can't stand him only another one i think. Well what about kam. Chancellor he's he's retired now but yeah. Yeah just the physical player. Yeah physical than what's his name thrown his weight around But here's one that that started me thinking because this is what popular my head. When i'm watching christian fauria looked great. Save christian foyer. A bargain. Basement version of travis. Kelsey they look and play exactly the same you just say. Because they're both wha- andy no their mannerisms and the way they run rows and everything are exactly the same as travis kelsey white house i know why asian people what whereas before you get in trouble for me. Yeah you did randy. Travis kelce white i have. I have to check these things after. Patrick ma fucking clue like i was like what that throwback was. Yeah they they look in play exactly the same and just like quick like run five yards down the field. Sit and then catch the ball. And if you don't catch the ball you complain to the referees that you're being held and make some pretty acrobatic catches in the end zone sometimes but also drops easy passes. They have a similar feel to them to me. Who is like bruschi. And willie mcguinness like some of the linebackers guys. I don't know if there are cops anymore. Just because of how big linebackers used to be back in the day like. That's not a thing anymore. I almost said vander esch. But i think that's because i was thinking white middle linebacker. Maybe our raises gregory navy. Uncovering this now vander esch and willie mcgee for the same. No i'm just trying to recover for you greg mcgarry. I think for middle linebacker i think. Oh my god now that he's not a good one. Stop thinking who is the The middle linebacker last year for the pets hideout grimace. Hightower thank you. I think hightower probably be a reasonable comfort. tedy bruschi maybe Burst like a playmaker guide. Like he's the all these pick sixes were. Santa may not like hightower never did that. Like ted johnson was abandoned. Roberts that the foam risky is a run stop. It's sort of like hightower. Yea i think that's the closer you're going to get on this. And then rebel was their version of jamie collins. More athletic coverage oriented and like a robbing vich. Then richard seymour is just a down. Julius peppers show all the way round other didn't richard seymour. I can say that it was great wrong but peppers as an absolute monster just like a tall but sue graphic. So i'm reading the christian thing about when he got in trouble. Yeah it's fucking ridiculous. I knew for too long. I knew something was going. Don yee brady's agent and basically the crux of the joke that they're trying to make was that they expected don yee to have an asian accent but he didn't have an asian accent. Bright born in america. Exactly exactly so he's starts like they actually played down like audio and be like this is crazy. This guy is the evidence asian accent and then he starts reading fake don yee tax normal voice but they put soft bamboo flute music in the background and then he slips back engaged and what the fuck what an idiot. I'm here's born in sacramento. Did that's the best. Tom brady born. Was he born in the same area visit. Yes the bay area. So they're baby. Born nobody from. I was like this is stupid. We we should bail on this pretty quick. You know they put flute music behind toity eighteen. Oh yeah this is recent. This is funny. Not old we out to see him catch touchdowns on this. I'll give them a second chance. Yeah so i guess. Tom brady kind of made don yee. He has been brady's agents it's ninety nine Since coming into the leak. Yeah it's crazy. I can see your face real fucking stupid. I'm gonna have to cut out of those feel. It should cut this anyways. What are we w e leaving it all in a man fuck. It's not the worst thing in the world is just stupid. You know yeah speak. More shows out dumb they are a you know particularly harmful. I'm sure dining whatever you know. Show how dumb they are that they're like this is the time when a dozen callahan. We're getting into trouble for their right-wing nutjob see those guys. I actually race problematic. Where i think he's story is okay. Yeah and i don't even mind the other guy that went to barstool but the callahan. He's the one that's like. Oh yeah he has like problem. Yeah because listen to boston. Sports talk radio. Thank our this week. I've checked out. I can't listen this year. Apparently they were talking about how Ballot check the. Gm has been tanking this whole time and it's his fault that and actually looking back on it brady did better than anybody could have expected last year. Because he has no weapons and the patriots suck attracting weapons and the patriots. They weren't saying that last year to give. This is after week six so they are. Patriots are currently tuned floor on an predictions as to how this season will play out. Yes stephen go ahead you. Have you have the floor. Which we expose josh allen as not good this game against certified stamped punishment. Assumptions lays awful we crush Spur that to go on a fat run. So you're thinking twelve four. Like i m maybe twelve and four. But you know ten and six okay. And who's the quarterback at the end of the season steve. I can't going big the sort out cam. Fat running offense looks like it did in the seattle game. And then the raiders game and the dolphins game. I'm with steve on everything. Set the record. I think they go twelve and four. I don't think they lose again. This season similar to this two thousand three season that we're about to do i think that's i think because albumin goes down. I think it's another Changing of the guard. I think it's the west walker to element. I think it's now etem into gun. Are all chef ski and is going to be the new giulia element who was the new walker. Who was the new troy brown. Continue that especially number eighty. It's all going to work out so we have a thousand yard season in twelve. More games left to agree to disagree. Andy with or i think they go eleven and five and you think they go twelve and four. Greg i wanna like sees guy started talking. My gut was like we're going to go fucking two and fourteen. I actually am like. I am not as in the dumps. The teams i think other people are me neither i mean. They've shown that they could play offense. We've done it with cam. Newton can do it. I think they're in disarray. Right now but this still a good coaching staff. Still one of the best in the league egypt back to basics eh. the offensive line is still good and talented and now they're starting to get healthy. There's no reason they can't run. The ball and this town on defense team is talented into coaching staff. To be a sub five hundred team. Greg have no weapons. Never have weapons. I do think there are some legitimacy to like people underestimated what brady meant to the team. Though just from offensively yeah keeping the ship righted and situations like this where you start things. Don't go well. That's why the patriots like never lose like multiple games arose. Because i think everyone's like we have faith in brady and belichick a once cracks show and you have new guys in there. It's like well. They were talking this week. About how all the old school patriots like Mccourty have been asking the new guys who come in how. They handle a losing streak. Yeah don't know how to do it because they've never experienced before as a patriot player. It's crazy what are you guys. Do if you lose like three. These games in a row three panic is that. Is that how this works so well. I'm gonna say one thing. And then i'm going to bring it home to the jets game again because he pauses their inability to stop the run because they don't really fat boys in the middle row keeps getting hurt And i'm surprised like we saw doumen in two thousand and two right not big issue. That team has fighted play. Welcome they just could not stop the run and then we get the biggest fat boy on the market in the offseason by washington. Cly fat as we discussed here today. The washington monument in week three. I'm interested in seattle patriots together the because he fractured his leg. So he's got to be out for a while. Did he comes back week. Ten for seven so i looked at the rosevelt colvin thing. Wikipedia said he shattered the socket in his left hip. Yeah it was. I knew something like crazy. Like stood did right by. That's a horrendous painful. How do you. How do you even understand how like muscles and ship that to like god. Oh yeah the rehab on. That's gonna suck. It makes me feel better. But i i pick your roseville colvin. It's kind of a boss like being excited about it. But if it was more injury related than he couldn't fit the system that makes me feel better for him that i don't to see a guy not perform. Well i mean obviously injuries suck but right at least it wasn't just like i. He couldn't figure it out like these cool food to from what i think it was him. He owns a cupcake shop in kinshasa. Thank you say. Cupcake sean right. Yeah that's what he does. He still does radio interviews and stuff because when the patriots played super in indianapolis. What was that one i segment. There's somebody else with it as well right. There's in another player or something. Maybe so cool. Do still cupcake shaw. But going back to eight. That'd be like ted washington going back to w. e. i in town that stubby brady speaking a brady talking badly or having a hard time deciphering him. John abraham in this game was quoted saying that he can't get a handle on brady's cadence which was blatantly obvious because brady i think had what three maybe even four hard counts. That drew offsides. Look out there. This was peak. Tom brady hard count. i don't remember him using it recently. That was trying to draw somebody else size do anymore but he was real good at this game. He like. I say. Look aaron orders out. There airmont has been doing that for us. That's pretty impressive. That's his version of brady's quarterback sneak true. Seen that on rogers like free plays. They're insane control because he you just take a deep shot every because they often he has so many of them that everyone in the team not just go deep bench. I wonder if they change it like people figured out. Brady's through film study or whatever. Yeah yeah and like rodgers has changed his gains enough that you can still get equal. Well that's what they're saying. Because they were talking about john abraham and how he would like he would study that. I'm quarter actually get the jump on them. He's like. I can't do that with can't figure out what his cadence is. And it got him. Wouldn't that fuck with your own team offensive. I think unless you just tell them have gone three. Maybe that's maybe that's something to do with it you way like how often you're getting false starts as opposed to if you're like it's not worth it to even try. These did do one of the they did. Do the the whole trying to do a drawing them off. Sides fourth down that greg hates heat that but the the whole sequence was amazing because it's four and one like just inside just territory and they lined up to punt it like this on the pontiac labs a punt it and then last second. I don't know how they managed to sneak him on but Damon is in there and they try something like this maybe last or something where they shift. Really quickly damon. You're gets under center and then like they lose. Snap the ball he did the brady qb sneak. Its fourth one But like right as shifted. One of the jets called timeout because they had no clue what was going on and david basically took the ball i as they called timeout. They hiked the hiked it. The rest gave them the time out. But it was like fractiousness. I can close and david hewitt took a full sprint straight down. The field and basically if the play had stood would have had a one on one with santana moss again in the end zone astronomical so but then it gets called back as the time out so they put the offense on the field do a shit on emotion. Brady's trying to do a hard every like yeah. We know what this is and then they call timeout. Come bring the team on actually pundit it took like probably five full minutes of actual time to get a punt get up to the punt off and they just wasted everybody's time including the viewers. They never think about me the fan you know how dare the entertainment business. You can't just like get my hopes up and be like we're going to go pull this bullshit like what if we get him off. Maybe what if this is the one out of a thousand times. We didn't lack the trick. Them on this thing you you get them all relaxed and then you snap at anyways. That's what they should do is do this like let the clock run and then at the last second call and play knowing that nobody does on but he does that and the whole should do designed just sitting there going okay. This is one of those things sides. Whatever you do. Don't they're not ready coming hit him. Yeah yeah they're not gonna push on it. Because you're you're still this to fuck. No you should do. You should use should lineup. And then have your punter throat to your center whose lineup as tight end and have off his hands yes ringling by bringing it all back baby. Why didn't get in the pro bowl for his hands. Not aaron rodgers three replace. He has nearly two thousand passing yards. Someplace doco though says ben rothlisberger. He has just barely above thousand. So he's doubled up second-place dale will all right. I think that's probably about it for this game. Yeah i s norris all right. Gregg was your best worst. Oh greg schedule. I you never get to go first. Will he did watch. He didn't wash game was assigned day. Samuel if p five yard interception return for touchdown that's the game taking over for an injured tile. Although that's fine. I'll that come i'm not. I'm not but her because patriots making plays who bought her two two people at once. You know who's been heard about it. Tie la because he came back still hobbling like very obviously became butter. He wasn't about very real the rookie. Yeah how do you know what was going through his head where you just projecting now you could tell you could see it is is is is. I can read people. Just think i didn't realize that. What am i thinking right. Now you're thinking full bullshit. Yeah you your worst cowboy fucking herm edwards like recycling that quote that suits here. 'cause i listened to it and i was like that's pretty quo and then now that i know he just recycled it from the year before you play to win the game like dude come up with new material. You know coaches. Yeah babies one of these guys like. I don't read the newspapers either. yeah right. He saw how people reacted to the first time. He said he's people love this shit. I'm yes fire was even a thing. yeah all right. I'll give you that by all right. let's see my worst i. We didn't touch on this yet but I've mentioned this earlier. How i think it's so dumb with the hat. Taking off thing for the referees. Either could remember. That was your those greg. Yeah they just look like idiots they all huddle up in one guy's got his hat and then sometimes like they take their hat off and throw it off out there in the huddle studio that made its own appearance in this game where vinny testaverde extra through a great ball down the sideline winker bet. Just kinda barely step out. Came back in and caught it for a touchdown. And we kinda got bailed out there a little bit. Because your voyage. Eugene wilson just like fell over his own feet yeah just flipped his hips and just tripped over. The twenty-odd land wide open. Just happens than just step out just a little bit and that the game was pretty tight at that. Point is being asante same. It was also a rookie. But he's he's returning interceptions for touchdowns. Yeah they figured out. See how that plays out. Andy this other still thinks he can. You can go today. He thinks he's a trying to make a case for himself to be in the hall of fame on twitter. Now i'll sign him. he's a scamper guy. I liked scamper guys as entertaining. He ran the worst andy. This that's blue. This whole podcast is saas start. They samuel built different. Greg's the impostor steve. Let's hear i love dedications. Your second worst is your buddy. Dan beard or quote fucked dander or was it it was on The asante samuel picks greg's favorite players where he backs it up and catches it and has actually great ball skills any just like. Oh it's all luck right is also here. The great football play might be locked then tests verdy was behind center. The actual play was pretty high ball skill. Play just totally totally disregards it for like five minutes and will ever since they tried the the fake field goal whether a throwing it to an offensive linemen which used to be. They were talking. About how many balls he had caught. Which spoiler was zero. It was like no i. I had seventeen touchdowns in my career and who was dick emberg basis like no. No you didn't and so tired. Time was like talk us like talk himself up as a receiver. And so i think that was part of it. Was asante samuel making this great acrobatic catch. That was that was look. I shouldn't oaks on this theme. And can't me riled up stephen heavy laughing my ass off because i was watching it with my roommate. Who's from india in rwanda and played it again for him in housing. Ucla's acknowledged around. Played it and this is. This is even a football or not football. This is the direct quote this is just powered. Dick pounded away at the interior of the jets. Our dick football. That fucking coy. It was broadcast partner. Richard right up and sumo number. Yeah a this is just powered. Dick jets fired dick full for me. I feel like a video taken like a football game on your phone. Power dick football just taken that be a shirt. Yeah power dick football ship pump in our dick right. I guess that could be a best. I don't know maybe that's bad. Brady was he was stumped. I'll go off of that. My best Speaking of paddock football. I discovered a new video. Football video game for your phone call. Retro bowl recommended is free. I have spent all week Sitting on the toilet playing it to wear my legs keep falling asleep. And i keep not being able to get up afterwards. The i stopped doing that once. I stopped going to the office. He's used to having me all the time. It has since march coincidentally her. I can't help it. I live in a small house so the bathroom to my sanctuary. If i need to just like have some me time. I go in there and make it a big deal at some candles bring phone in watch a video or play play. Play a game book times. And i'm gonna be honest. This sounds us and you. So it's a toilet bowl. it's great. I highly recommend retro ball. Until you're bad yeah also if you wanna if you wanna game specific best petar pool up there. You had himself a great game. I think all the defensive backs did. They played a guy around olympic size pool. Yeah i think we say last time but yeah this game olympic sized. Yeah yeah he adams kevin mua you gotta be so rude dollar on. I'll say kevin wyan shirt. That's my worst. Was much as i talked about. Kevin faulk could be the mvp. He did make a mistake in this game. The patriots- called a running back pass and kevin faulk looked like a high school quarterback that he probably was by throwing it lofting it into triple coverage and nearly getting intercepted the which brought out the did dear door for our. This is why they say that. This y plays defensive back because if he could catch you be a wide receiver So you got you got the beat that horse again so that was fun and then one stat that i enjoyed that. They showed kind of effort through this game. The teams in the afc that made the playoffs in two thousand and two All started five hundred or worse the jets and the titans will start one in four steelers started. One in three brown started two and four. The rate is started formed for the first time in. Nfl history that the two super bowl contestants did not make the playoffs the following year. Really yeah shit. The raiders in the box because they both fell the bucks off to shit. I read on wikipedia dot com. So can't be wrong. Must be true all right. Oh don't forget we have our We have our hotline to make easy for people to tell us what they think of us. and and why greg should or shouldn't do more deep dive into fat people. Oh six zero. Three five eight zero four three that number again. Get your pens ready six. Oh three five. Zero five zero four three. Can you say slower for the people with the the rotary rotary dial. The number six the number zero the number five zero five eight four three those contacts number correct. You can text number. Yeah it's it's a it's a fully grown up phone number. You can text it you can call it and you leave a voicemail gonna to be receiving these decks hooked up to my cellphone at at the moment and my computer so i may accidentally answer it. But we'll see. I can see both of you. Argue funds right now and a little worried about to come through. Just don't forget that if you send a dick pic make sure funny right greg. Yeah so that. So if we post it showed no dick pic dogs. momma said. No mom said rarely talk on the air. So do not send us any pictures of your willie. No willie picks and no willie grams please and you. Can you confirm that. You have received the hotmail message. Yeah i somewhat. has he got it. You got it did. And i can respond right on my phone too so if you actually reach out to us just be prepared that it is not just a one way street. What is jeff weiming. Static sound suss. Sounds there it it is it means. Good for you steve. Because i say greg smells. Can we do something about that. And that's not good for me. It is because you're not in same rubinsohn. But i can smell them all the way up here. Five hundred miles away. Yeah that's tough. This this by cast is on. Freak is podcast is over this. Little lady. go out in unraveling the high notes. So yes if you have any if you have anything you need to say to us. Six zero three five zero five eight hundred four three p. fam- ondo p. This shit is lit. And that's enough. We'll see next week for the. I think the last loss in history very future. Yeah this next week is going to be happy fam fam. Cnx time honda. Who pays a. We'll see you next week. Maybe without greg if he continues this on the patriots dicey bog cast. You gotta do me like that fam-.

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The Dimitroff Years: 2013

The Falcoholic

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The Dimitroff Years: 2013

"This is the faculty. Podcast official podcasts. At the atlanta falcons on the podcast networking the state walker. Today's special podcast. We continue our view of the thomas. Dmitrov years with the atlanta falcons to help me with this task. I by the special guests to join me on each of these episodes as we break down the trades free agent signings draft picks made in the dmitrov era. My guest today is into hirsch. Who used to write for the falcons alec. And of course. The atlanta falcons andrew. Thanks for joining me. Thanks so much for having me. David always love Chatting football with you guys at the felt pollock. Yeah been really looking forward to this. We've had some scheduling snafus but finally getting it done and today we're here. I am apologizing to you. The time andrew. We are diving into the two thousand thirteen season. The in this is actually interesting. It's the first losing season under mike smith. I think people forget that. Two thousand eight through two thousand twelve five straight. Winning seasons for the falcons. This is the first time he failed to finish eight or better so little. Bit of a precursor of what the Season was coming into this one. Obviously two thousand twelve ended in heartbreak with the falcons losing that devastating loss to the forty niners in the nfc championship game. Roddy white was interfered with. You cannot commits otherwise. Obviously the falcons had a lot of the contracts that they signed in two thousand twelve some of the guys that they had drafted such as core bearman thomas. Who'd but the big contract coming into this season with ultimately be matt ryan. Everyone knew he was going to get a deal. Everyone was going to be a big deal at the time and of course net did get done. So we're gonna start a conversation talking about free agency. And i want to start right there. Let's start with the matt ryan contract before we talk about the guys that left and something is we brought in obviously paying quarterback paying a franchise quarterback quarterback that it literally just taking you to the nfc championship. Game is a big deal and on july twenty fifth of two thousand thirteen. The falcons matt ryan agreed to a new five-year extension worth one hundred three point. Seven five million with fifty nine million guaranteed. Obviously that money now seem small compared to the contracts. That guys like the shawn watson in patrick mahomes have gotten their record breaking contract so just thinking back on that time thinking about know matt ryan really sort of early in his career. Even still whether your thoughts on the falcons in that first contract with their franchise quarterback coming off the year where you know matt did everything that you would really expect from him to get a team to the super bowl and ultimately win a championship. He you know pulled his own weight and then some in twenty twelve and this was definitely a contract. That was well deserved. And i remember the time you know. This was really around the time when matt was blossoming into that veteran leader very consistent quarterback from from day. One two thousand eight when he when he was a rookie. But i really felt like in that. Two thousand twelve season was when he took the next step and became that true. Rock solid franchise quarterback And you know thinking back to. The last franchise quarterback the falcons with with with mike vick. I remember at the time when he made when he was signed to the gigantic deal. It was around. Correct me if i'm wrong. I think also close to a hundred million ten years hundred million dollars a longer. Yeah tenure You know at the time it was. It was Some nice to have that you know quote unquote superstar locked. In being the face of the falcons of course it didn't work out so well For vick in the end. They're the falcons but You know for for folks like us who watched the team for a long time to just be able to lock in that franchise player at the most important position. The game is so important. i know it was. It felt like a done deal way before the you know the pen hit the paper but i recall at the time when when when news broke that you know they locked him. In long-term that matt released a statement saying that you know he really felt like this was his home Just to have that security at that position was a really great feeling as a fan as a supporter of the team And i think also considering what occurred you know right before. The falcons drafted matt ryan with with vic I think for me being a a few years younger than you will say Vick was my seventy eighty four on the little league fields of for and so i think when it came to really locking down matt ryan as that franchise be for me as as as a lifelong supporter young at the time lifelong supporter of the team. it was just such a great feeling to really have that franchise quarterback vic vic had those those years in the early two thousand play kinda fell off a bit before you know before everything really far apart and with ryan you just had the sense that he was that rock. That have not really had since you know bark hausky you know the days before i was around and so you know at the time. Obviously hundred plus million people were still. I think that was around the time people were starting the debate over the you word with matt ryan People thought maybe they paid him a little bit too much. But i thought it was just right. It was earned and that was a great moment. Unfortunately highlight of season Right but as we'll get into remember that no at the alchoholic thought paul team just universally being very excited and You know that's worked out quite well few so it also served as an opportunity to remind dave that he was not a fan of drafting matt ryan in two thousand eight but anytime to remind some of that. I'm just pull up Glenn dorsey football reference page. And oh god give him a hard time on that. It's always always a good decision always always And as you mentioned. I think many people felt like the deal was done deal in rightfully so two thousand twelve was the combination of what many fans had thought about matt ryan before that point that he should be leading a pass first offense instead of. Yeah the one that had been led by michael turner since you know. He came into league in two thousand and eight and obviously two thousand twelve. He put up his best numbers ever won his first playoff game. Last second victory over the seattle seahawks and of course took them Within one play of the super bowl. With that i want to talk about some of the guys in free agency that the falcons ultimately walked away from. There are a lot of names on this list. but i want to focus on some of the key ones because i feel like we for we remember all the injuries in two thousand thirteen. But in reality the falcons as part of having to pay matt ryan. Which again is the right move. They did have to say goodbye. A lot of guys. Whether the guys that i just mentioned running back michael turner. I think it's fair to say at the time. The wheels fall off Mike malarkey had run him into the ground from two thousand eight through two thousand eleven in in two thousand twelve. He just wasn't the same running back he was Before it made sense to von from him But the the next two names walnut pair up with him so we can talk about them. Sort of as a trio Tackle tyson klebo. Who was on the right side He was a a solid veteran enough offensive line for several years. In of course. I think the one many fans remember Defensive in john abraham and i would say with charter. We have had some good backs that have come through a since he has been gone With tyson klebo. We've actually had some some good fortune. There were some bumps in the road. But obviously with john abraham even still today eight years later we still haven't found a replacement for him So whether your thoughts on these three guys their departure and what it meant ultimately for this team in whether or not you think the departures reach these guys made sense within the context of that two thousand thirteen season right wall start with turner and you know not to take anything away from what did during his first fears in the league. But i think his start would have been very different if he did not have a truly dominant running back To lean on him. When you look at a mattress trajectory as a quarterback you know two thousand twelve that was when turner you know. His numbers really started to fall. He you know a lot of really short gains in very frustrating situations and that was when matt really kind of Stepped up to another level when they really needed him to Losing turner It stunk to see him leave after that two thousand twelve or thirteen. Nfc championship game against san francisco to go off on such a low because he was such an instrumental part of that organization's revival. I think it's a little unfortunate. How like we don't really talk about him that much anymore. And i'm by. We like falcons fan in in general. Just you look back on you. Watch some of those games from two eight nine ten oh man like goodness he was dominant dominant running back losing him stung but i think it was the right. Move at the time You know he didn't have enough gas in the tank to warrant a real deal. Moving forward klebo. I think at the time. I wasn't particularly upset about but i will talk about this more later on. I'm sure but just considering what happens to that line. You know in the in the twenty thirteen season. You could definitely feel that. His presence was missed and john. Abraham man i we. We were spoiled. We were just such a singularly dominant die off the edge You know for me as as a fan Patrick carney was one of my favorites there is a couple of years there where we didn't have that dominant guy off the edge but I kind of grew accustomed to you. Know for most seasons for a wild that double digit sack guy. You can really lean on defensively especially in third downs. And i tried to talk myself into liking the osi umenyiora signing and understanding. You know dealing with some injury problems and of course in up there in age This is unfortunate fortunate. Situation for the falcons not just cap wise but just some of these players were reaching the points in their career where big contracts didn't make sense anymore. And i think you know abraham had or gas in the tank but i when i you know hindsight's twenty twenty i think when we're looking at madison dmitrov perspective and you know you just gave matt ryan a huge contract. You know you've got a lot of more lot more money to shell out And then you look. At abraham in where he was I believe he suffered a an injury in the nfc champ. Game my memory actually was. It was the Last the last game of the season before the playoffs where he hurt his ankle where mike smith was playing them pointlessly got into a second half of that game. Yup yeah. I remember that Yeah you know. I just think it's Man it was just a from a financial standpoint from plant point of having some of your really pivotal players hitting the end of their careers. It's really hard to see. Abraham go but you know at the time i really couldn't Consult dmitrov for not shelling out a lot of money. I know he didn't get a massive deal afterwards but He was by no means a long term solution and Ended that it was just a bummer situation. I just felt like there is no real win the when it came to the abraham abraham signing. Yeah there were a lot of fans. I think the time that criticized the cut. And but abraham was in his mid thirties. If we look back most pass rushers into the mid thirties. The productivity usually drops pretty pretty drastically. Right he would go on to have a two more really good seasons or solid seasons at minimum but yeah it felt like a move at the time that it made sense but it sucked like you said. It was just like watching a good player. Retire Three other names wanted to touch on that. ultimately departed Left the team center. Todd mcclure he ended up retiring. I remember at the time in. I'll let you touch on this. That it was less about him choosing to retire. More about the falcon saying yeah. We're moving on from you. There won't be another contract. And then he just decided to hang up the cleats. You're also being in his mid thirties. And then two cornerbacks. Obviously brent. Grimes who suffered the achilles terror at the beginning of the two thousand twelve season. They did not try to give him a new contract. He was on the franchise tag in two thousand twelve so he was allowed to become a free agent. And then the guy who arguably led to brent. Grimes not getting a long term deal. Cornerback dante robinson who big contracts sylvia's prior he was also let go so don t robinson brett. Grimes tomek lower with your thoughts on these three guys. In the impact it would ultimately have not just on the roster. But you know i think. What the falcons in this draft class was a direct implication of these guys been moving on from some of these guys yes especially the corners right Yeah i think that was something that they obviously made. A concerted effort to address a losing mcclure. Another situation again where you look at his age. No i think a one year contract might have might have made sense at the time He was one of those guys that he almost felt invisible in a good way. That makes sense yet on the field. Like when you didn't really think about him that much unless you're breaking down tape Meant he was doing really fantastic job. you know i think with with losing klebo. He felt a lot more replaceable. Even with With mcclure being at such an advanced age Just being such a pivotal pivotal member of that defined for so many years to such a mainstay through so much change. Some so much churn with the organization. He was just such into lose him You know. I think following the draft following free agency. I remember looking back on the falcons decision to move on from chlorine felt really uneasy And i don. I don't know if you you felt the same But i think for me. He also look at those intangibles. The veteran presence that he that he brought those things. You can't quite quantify And kind of like michael turner like. We don't really talk about him that much anymore. Don't think about how pivotal. He was for matt ryan earlier to have such a rock-solid center There every single day and there'll be several years before they would really replace him two thousand sixteen for you bring in alex mack. That's right Man and that was a rough stretch between those two is very lucky to have both of them for extended stretches but boy that was that was rough for a while the mike person and james stone and of course the ultimately the guy who i think you know the falcons were banking on replacing clear long-term peter cons Who obviously flamed out. Some of the other guys ended up leaving the team Wide receiver special. Teamer kerry meier a wide receiver. Drew davis the drew davis. Who was always going to bust out a tight end chase coffman and safety shan schillinger So obviously a lot of names a lot of big names on this list that ultimately would not be on the team in two thousand thirteen up again for some good reasons. Some were Little bit less than others. We'll talk about the guys who got new deals. So players who got extensions with the falcons. There's one infamous name. I want to save him. For last. we can have little backbone without safety. William moore got a five year deal worth thirty million guard. Garrett reynolds To your deal worth two point. Six million Running back antone smith to your deal worth one point. Four million as veteran tight end. Tony gonzalez a two year deal worth twelve point. Six and i think would with tony. The interesting thing there was they knew it wasn't going to be a two year deal. It was a one year deal and this allowed them to pay him enough money and then spread the cap hit across two years instead of taking it all in a in the two thousand thirteen season. So of those guys. You know. William more reynolds gonzales. Intoned smith with your thoughts on extending these particular players in bringing back for the two thousand thirteen season. Y'all start with Just going from positive to less positive. Always been such a huge anton smith fan Just the way. I love the way. He plays the game Covering the team. When i was working for atlanta falcons dot com. He was such a great attitude to as from a reporter standpoint just a great attitude and just an explosive playmaker and he came in at a time when we lost those explosive. Plays from the running back position. Where you got kinda spoiled with with michael. turner You know kind of hitting that back wall and i can't remember the specific years when when anton would would really breaking out. I think it was twenty thirteen when he started to have those ganic touchdowns Would he have averaging twenty yards carry. Yeah like five carries and four touchdowns it was insane Just talk about bang for your buck. I mean he was just such a phenomenal phenomenal player Just one of those depth guys you love to have around the kind of guy that you know you in today's nfl you need. You really can't lean on running backs. The way they used to and to have a game changer. Like him to come. In on third downs to create those explosive plays he was just a really great addition. The team Very sad that his his time atlantic came Came to a bit of an abrupt end. But that's for maybe for a different episode of later on the william more contracts I remember feeling very Feeling very glad that he was gonna stick around. I think he was a great locker presence. Obviously a hard hitting safety. I was a bit concerned about the term Given the way that he plays the game played the game Just did not feel like Five years that he would be towards the end of that contract that he would be playing at the level that you would hope but was definitely glad to have him around You know moving forward especially losing those veterans in the secondary of acts to have a you know that really physical presence in the box and being kind of a veteran leader in that secondary group was great to keep him around there You know tony gonzalez. That was just Those were one of the for me. One of the first like really big Twitter blow up days. That i remember when the signing when when people are pleading with him to come back for one more seasonable. Mercy's him on. The news finally broke. Just a you know after a really tough ended the season. Twenty twelve The matt ryan contract like we said was more or less expected. We'd really had no idea. Tony was gonna come back. I know he was thinking long. And hard about it and I mean we knew even though he was up there in age. He's really not human. So i feel like they can be better than probably most tight ends in the league We just kind of knew like as long as he was going to be healthy they do is going to be one of the best teams in the leak and Man was he needed needed. This season with the with the injuries that came at the wide receiver position But that was such nice nice moment of the off season. I think that you know falcons fans cut of needed from a Just a morale standpoint I don't know if you remember you know kind of the build up to that to that signing and then what what was when the news broke But worth about a big relief. You park about a veteran leader that you you really want to have rounds Him coming off getting that first career playoff win for guy. It's kind of hard to imagine that someone is prolific as him had to wait that long to win a single playoff game and then to come up short of the super bowl by just a few yards on that awful play You just heartbreaking you. Just you just really didn't want that careered. End that way You also didn't want it's and the way that it it did but I know at the time there is a. There is a really confident that he would continue to perform performance a high level and i think considering his own narrative his career. You just did not want to end on that note. Nfc championship game. He just he deserved better. He deserved a lot better than that. yeah and unfortunate that you know things when even further south on twenty thirteen But i think everyone considering the fact that it was really was not an expensive contract Either it just felt like such win in from every perspective. Yep absolutely so with that. Falcons did end up bringing in some additional bodies and oh god. This is painful. I'll point out to the guys who came in wide receiver. Brian robiskie never did anything with the team. patrick demarco was brought in. I think they actually ended up cutting him this year. He was brought back again in two thousand fourteen. Obviously you know. Made a bigger splash into two thousand. Fifteen two thousand sixteen. His time with falcons but the three names. We need to talk about One running back. Steven jackson came in three or deal. Worth twelve million number two defensive end osi umenyiora two year deal worth eight point five million and finally offensive tackle. Jeremy true blood whose name unfortunately would be heard a lot more in two thousand thirteen even though he was given a essentially a veteran minimum contract. so falcons made at the time. What was a relatively big move. Because stephen jackson had spent his entire career with the rams he was a highly productive running back his entire career was a great receiver. Al the backfield Really physical runner somewhat. That i think anna fans were excited about osi. I think he had a decent run with the giants. He was a good player in the contract. Was you know to lucrative a little over four million per year in true. I think it. It made sense to have a veteran. Backup for tackles since claybon was gone. So your thoughts on these signings. The whether they made sense at the time and how they look now in hindsight stephen jackson. It's it's tough because he was coming off a pretty good year with the rams. So it's it's you really can't. It's tough to compare stephen jackson at that stage of his career with you know where michael turner was linked. Jackson had over one thousand yards now the season before was efficient with his carries. And you know. Obviously things didn't work out. I was feeling cautiously optimistic about him. I think ultimately the offensive line Did him no favours I do wonder if his career would have gone differently if he played behind a more competent. Offensive line But it just seemed like he you know just kinda hit that wall right that we saw from turner the year before the three years. I did not expect him to make it three hours. Really kind of hoping. That the falcons coming off of a loss. Nfc championship game. That that he and gonzales would step in for an extra year and help them. Get over the hump for the next season with stephen jackson though i mean he was a very strong veteran presence. I'd want to over value that in presence or undervalue it You know my own personal opinions. On how the way that have changed over the years back and forth But to have you lost a lot of veterans in at the end of the twenty thousand twelve season to bring in guys like bring back. Tony also bring in. Stephen jackson bring us new guys who have been around guys who have been successful guys. Who played for winning organizations You know you can't discount that. And so yeah i think overall i felt cautiously optimistic umenyiora. We all knew he was going to be a downgrade right from from. From abraham i think at twenty thirteen like okay You know the. It's a fair assessment of thing. He got what he gets eight sacks something around there Not particularly helpful. You know in in you know. He wasn't a guy out there in all three downs by any means but he was taken a ton of money. I think when you look at where dmitrov was where he thinks okay. You know. abraham's older coming off his coming off injury To get a veteran like umenyiora it's Maybe like a good plan. B minus good plans like it was not ideal look at the draft. From the way that the falcons address the secondary in you consider the options that are on the table with with them. Being a big cash-strapped. I think it was ultimate at the time. Given the situation the falcons were in given the money that was given given the performance. He was coming off of his last few years. Giant made sense. Obviously you want a more talent on the other side of the line right. The human your didn't get a whole lot of help You know at the time. It was fine i was. I don't know what about you And i felt like for veteran that had productivity in his career. It was a sensible signing again. Not a ton of money. So at a sensible affordable move in with the matt ryan contract with the other deals that they handed out. It probably made sense in that context. I did miss one name. And we're gonna finish off the free agent discussion with this guy This feels quite appropriate and that was the one player that got one of the biggest extensions. Actually the biggest extension outside of matt ryan a in that was left. Tackle sam baker. Who got a six year deal worth forty one and a half million dollars and obviously we know how that turned out in. Here's the thing even before that you know obviously tackles in this league. They get paid a lot of money. the the contract itself i don't think was the biggest red red mark on this. It was the fact that baker had only played sixteen games twice in his career to that point. Two thousand ten two thousand twelve so that means in two thousand and eight thousand nine two thousand eleven the other three seasons he. He failed to play all sixteen games. and we knew that he had a little bit of an injury history and struggle with that and honestly he was sort of mediocre. He wasn't a good tackle. I think he was sort of middle of the road. He got the job done well enough. He wasn't awful but he was sort of just in yet he got this big deal in ultimately ended up playing just four games in two thousand thirteen which i think is what stings even more so you could argue that baker. Getting that big contract ultimately led to the falcons having to make a decision to let abraham go and go with someone like so. What are your thoughts As close out the discussion of free agency about that. Sam baker deal and what that meant the falcons yet. It's so easy to you know. Play monday morning quarterback here In in rail against bad signings but this was just one where it just never felt like the right move Especially like we've mentioned considering where they were in terms of the salary cap It was it was a move based on. The you know the the position right You needed to shore up left tackle and he was a homegrown guy being drafted in that. Same first round as matt ryan You'd like to think that if he remained healthy he would have lived up to her. Come close to the expectations that were soda upon him as a first round pick Coming in to protect the new face of the franchise Even when he was healthy. Just never got into that rhythm And you know looking. At where the falcons were at the time. It just felt like a very risky decision to shell out that kind of money when there were so many other areas that needed to be addressed in so many areas that couldn't be addressed. Well enough man. I i feel bad for baker. I feel bad for him. He gets a lot. Of flack obviously you know. The life of a pro athlete is comes with the territory when you have a career like his But i think as far as we would you. Would you would agree that as far as dmitrov signings over. The course of the falcons is up there with this. The worst. yeah this is. I think if you're going to pick out the worst signings dimitrov made. This is one of them. I mean baker with only played. Two more years with falcons two dozen thirteen where he played four games And in two thousand fourteen where. I think he played in five games. Total in that that's that right there. The they ended up having to eat a large portion of that contract. A ton of dead money to move on from sam baker so yeah easily bar nine the worst contract that dmitrov ever signed and probably the one that i think we've alkan fans if you ask them. What was the worst deal ever made. That's probably gonna be the one that comes to mind. I mean when you look back in two thousand eight. It was hard not to feel just super optimistic about the long-term when you looked at the way the falcons entrust the draft you. You get those two cornerstone players right away. The first browns It just such a bummer. I had such high hopes for him in his career and at the time of the draft. I would say that you know moving. Up for him was a defensible move. Viewed favorably overall at the time But the contract. There's just no way to justify it at this point. I don't think there it was very difficult to justify. At the time. Hindsight only makes it look worse to me and when the opportunity of head speak with dmitrov When i was working for the team We reflect on prior years. He's very upfront is very upfront about you know. The mistake was to show this kind of money especially after this pivotal time in the franchise's History when when money was Cap space wasn't really beginning to tighten up man. It's just the situation just a bummer. If you're then you know it would've stung a lot last. If you know there was a situation kind of like you know you look at like ryan. Schrader came came in as an undrafted. Free agent immigrate tackle falcons had levin to was playing tackle. Your god this was the infamous toilet right tackle season so it's just You know i think part of the white sand bigger get so much flack from the fans is that he underperformed. It was constantly injured in a time when the offensive line was just struggling so much. Yeah so what to look at all yet this former first round pick sign a huge deal and he's giving you nothing easily And i think you know that within the context of everything that happened it just. It was salt on the wound so with that we've wrapped up free agency in the two thousand thirteen. Season for the falcons. It's time to talk about this draft class which actually may be the bright spot here given some of the guys that they brought in a but before we do that. We're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back. Sp nation presents the sp nation nfl show five weekday episodes to get you through the grind of the nfl season with your favourite espy nation community. Leaders you'll get reactions to what happened on sunday. Film breakdowns fearless takes local expert analysis fantasy football advice and so much more. There's a little something for everyone on the sp nation nfl. Show be sure to subscribe on apple podcasts. Or your favorite podcast app to be sure. You don't miss a single episode. We're back on a falcon hollick. Podcast david walker. I am joined by andrew. Hersh we were talking about the thomas dmitrov years in particular the two thousand thirteen season. The season after the falcons failed to make it to the super bowl after getting to the nfc championship game. Roddy white was interfered with. You cannot convince me otherwise. And we're going to talk about now. The draft class because free agency was depressing but the draft class is actually a little bit different. I think this draft may go down as one of the better ones under thomas dmitrov so first round you. The falcons new that They're going to be at the very back of first round having been into the nc championship game. It knocked him into the bottom four at back half of that first round so they decided they needed to make a move And in that first round they gave up their pick to move up to number twenty to begin their first their third in their sixth round. Pick in this draft class so a little bit of a hall not terrible but still a several picks to move up to that number twenty two spot and out of washington. They drafted cornerback desmond. Trufant i have a lot of thoughts on this player but andrew. I want to start with you. What do you think about this draft. Pick at the time. And now with hindsight at the time i didn't know a ton about true fund i was just very glad. They addressed the cornerback. Position after the the veterans relieving and. I think i think dmitrov approached this class. Exactly how he should've he really. He found he found a guy in true fons in and then the next round offered guys who made sense at those spots that filled huge needs for the team to focus on true I think he cornerback position. You don't wanna throw guys into the fire. But true fund was such a is such a mentally strong smart player. That you know. Of course he had his growing pains like every single corner back in. The history of the nfl does when they come in as a rookie But his football iq his demeanor his mindset Just the way. He carried himself. I think made it made that transition very smooth. And i think that was something. The falcons definitely considered when they were looking at a who to take twenty. Second overall was knowing that you know replacing. These veteran quarterbacks was not going to be easy. know true font and offered we're going to be probably downgrades for the following year just given that they were rookies at a very tough position to adjust to but true font was the guy. You wanted there in terms of giving you that giving you that long-term skill but also being able to fill in and do a commendable job as a rookie very either so many high end corners that you have that high ceiling you know going into the their rookie season. They're just not mature yet to the point where you can trust them a starting role you know. They've got the chance a good chance of getting there and being a pro bowl type player but there. Aren't that many guys like true. Faan to you know you can plug in feel somewhat comfortable with from day. One and he he he the falcons thought he was that guy and he turned out to be that guy yet for many years And he was ridiculous. Athlete coming out incredibly fast But as you said it was his football iq. i think that people didn't give them enough credit for. And if i remember right i believe pro. Football focus actually had him as their rookie of the year in two thousand thirteen because he did have such phenomenal season he would go on. I think over the next several seasons to be one of the least targeted corners in the league so he gained a reputation quickly. That literally other quarterbacks were just looking the other direction and that just tells you so much about his level of play just a phenomenal pick. Your i think we look at some of the guys that went around him. I've seen people argue. Maybe the falcons should've gone for xavier. Rhodes who at twenty five to minnesota in roads had had a good run in minnesota. I think he has sort of hint through their career. Trajectories have been very similar. Yeah they started off really well but have sort fallen off as as i've gotten older Interesting deandre hopkins was drafted in this first round. That number twenty seven houston And honestly i look back. I feel like the true pick was a fantastic one because there really weren't a ton of great players In this first round in the falcons got a corner. That was a true for several years. You know a true corner that would shut down half the field in that. That is very difficult to come by the nfl. second round out of southwestern louisiana. I think the falcons stunned everybody when they double dipped and they went with. Robert alford quarterback Southwestern louisiana obviously we talked about the fact that brent. Grimes was gone dante. Robinson was gone but i think a lot of people were shocked to see the falcons just immediately double-dip on Disposition in the draft and obviously alford was also another player that came in with tremendous upside tremendous physical abilities. In i. I would argue. He also had a very good career here in atlanta including of course the The play none of us will ever forget the the pick six. Tom brady and the super bowl. So andrew. tell me your thoughts and robert alfred and really sort of your impressions of the time of the falcons going twice for the quarterback position. Yeah i really wanted to i. I can't remember exactly. I was i was looking at On the board but You know i was not upset with the offered. Pick thinking he was. I don't wanna use the word projects. But he was a little more raw than than true funds. And you just kind of knew that if you're going to throw him into the fire there were going to be some big plays that we're going to be some big penalties in there certainly were Especially in the earlier part of his career but you had to love. The upside right offered such a explosive athlete. A playmaker Not was not a big when when you think about Creating turnovers true fund did not have the best hands in the nfl Whereas robert was kind of guy jaki give up more big place certainly been true fund would beat also create more big place And when you consider the needed the position at the time it made it made a lot of sense. I think you just had to ask that. You had the right coaches on the staff to coach. Someone like offered up by. I feel true was more of a player. And this is just my conjecture. But i felt like true found was more of the kind of player you could feel comfortable plugging in in kind of taking the initiative and being comfortable with from the nfl based on his own football. I q in just in just the or he was were offered kind of felt like what he he he really would need that coaching And i think the falcons when you look at especially when dan quinn brought his staff in You started to see. Also offered was becoming more of a veteran You know being there. Twenty fifteen you. You got a sense that the improved coaching made a big difference. Welford and i think the style of play that quinn brought fit offers game a lot better than mike defense You know at the time again really really wanted the defensive ends but was not upset at all with with the offer pick i think it was a great investment For the team. He's he's a guy that gets a lot of flack from the organism from fans. I think especially when you look at the the big penalties that he would give up are the insist but i think when you look at his career overall look at where he was drafted in what he brought to the team as a number two corner you these two guys gave you what you what you expected from them. Right when when when they were drafting. Your true font was legit number. One corner for a long time and offered was a bit Less reliable but a playmaking number two corner Tremendous pitcher. I think yeah. I think the the picks made sense. I think what maybe hurts for. Some falcons fans is some of the guys that came after alford. Yeah obviously you know. Travis kelsey win at the top of the third round of just several picks later Larry warford Guard of detroit. Who had a decent career a tear in matthew Yes let's see here. Mike glennon so we could fix their quarterback problem. Toronto armstead left tackle for the saints Came around so but you know that's always hindsight and I do feel like for what he gave the falcons especially album second round pick alford was a good player. And i feel like that. Pick panned out ultimately so i'm not gonna fault too much again when you get to starting corners in the same draft class in two starting corners that both made it to a second contract. Yeah that is. That's pretty significant. Alright falcons did not have that third round pick because they invested that to move up to get through fought in the fourth round out of clemson. Violent hands defensive. Aaron malachi goodman a He was guide that had like the physical stature to look like an nfl player and fourth round. I think now you're beginning to dip into that territory of developmental guys guys that you hope will eventually become rotational players Maybe develop into starters over long term And i feel like goodman sort of fit that billing he was it a decent run stopper never did much as a pass rusher for the team but again this is a fourth round pick. I don't want to over emphasize that given where we got him. It doesn't feel like it's too much to say that he may have lived up to it. But what are your thoughts on government in the sense of grabbing a defensive end at this point in the draft class. Yeah well. I mean i was. Glad they address the position Unfortunately i think goodman turned out to be a bit of a paper tiger. Where like you said like he looked the part But when it came to actually performing on the field just never really worked out for him. you know. These clemson defensive ends man But you know at the time. I was not upset with the pick. I think you know he look at his I think the way that he performed at the combine recall correctly. You know he. He definitely turned some heads. I think that he was somebody who came into the wrong defense I don't want to be one of those overly negative bombastic Podcast guests. But i just have a lot of feelings about mike. Nolan and out any operated defenses until blown honestly blown away that he's still employed but that's a whole nother conversation with the guy like goodman you think If he if he was drafted in in twenty fifteen and he began his development under dan. Quinn i wonder if things would have turned out different for him. Yeah that is a great point and it does feel like mike. Nolan may have been possibly the worst coach to come into the nfl under with the amoeba defense. Which is really just a polite way of saying. I don't know what the hell i'm doing all right. Also in the fourth round a believe this was cop for the falcons out of stanford titan levin toilolo and. I will say this one of my first times going to training camp being on the field with players standing next to toilolo made me question myself as a man he was. He was absolute giant. I think he was listed as six day. And it actually felt like that was not even tall enough. He felt more like seven foot. Foot one Maybe it's just the fact that i'm short stature but What are your thoughts on toilolo to this point. Let's be clear. The falcons had not spent much draft capital at all at tight end. Even though they knew tony gonzales was going to retire in the very very near future. So in many ways. This was the pick. If you will to replace tony tony g for long-term so what are your thoughts about tolo in how that Panned out yet. Will you look at the time you know. He's got that frame. He comes from tight end you otherwise and he gets to learn freer under the you know arguably the greatest tight end ever play the game thing. It just made a lot of sense at the time especially given it was late in the fourth round That is that's kind of what a late foreground pick is four right. You still get the guy who has shown that skill who has the has the builds who is going to be a bit of a project but comes into a situation where he has a great chance to learn Working with a great quarterback and learning from a future hall of famer antonio gonzales. I think looking at the way levin tornadoes career panned out. Obviously it didn't go the way that Everyone hoped but i will say the way that he adjusted his role in twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen under the new coaching staff Becoming that blocker really growing as a as a you know more than i don't want to throw this word around too much in gritty tight end. He did not become that huge red zone threat. You hoped given that he was about seven foot seven really. He put in the work to fit into shanahan scheme and yeah and he became especially during that super bowl run. He became a valuable member. That offense i think when you look at when you look through the tape of especially devante as long runs. Look at that outside zone scheme in the way that he was able to perform in it. That was You know he had to shift his crew around he had. It was probably a humbling experience to be tony. Gonzalez his successor. And then you know turn out to not be anywhere close to a top tier tight ends He did a very commendable job. Know carving out an important role on that roster even though he didn't reach the potential that you know a lot of hoped he would yes unfortunately but again fourth round pick. I still feel like it was the pick made sense as you mentioned. He came out of a university. That had just put zach ertz into the nfl few years before so there reason to think that maybe the coaching there have prepared him. Better for the nfl than some other places had Obviously being in the same draft. Class travis kelsey didn't help him but again for what he ultimately ended up doing. He didn't get to a second contract with vulcan's But i feel like he. It wasn't a complete waste. He he he was able to contribute even if not at a really high level consistently fifth round. Pick out of texas christian defensive end slash outside linebacker stanley maganga. oh this was a bad story. I think there was a lot of hope for him. Being able to come in maybe develop something. Obviously his time with the falcons came to an abrupt halt I believe that was with the animal cruelty charges in. They moved on very quickly from him. So your thoughts on punga in fifth round. Pick man I mean there were. The team had no choice of any organization in sports around the world. There is develop. Were the one that had really there is they were. They had only one option You know we never. We never got a chance to really see what he had He he got decent playing time those first few years by recall correctly. But i mean. I think it was a situation where you know very raw player as it was and also just like you know malachai goodman coming into a sub optimal situation But you know at the time. Considering where the falcons were defensive. End thinking you know what what remind was the at the time of the draft If you're going to take a project With a potentially high ceiling. But also of you're not gonna necessarily think that there's a great chance he's going to pan out in that position. You wanted to go for their You really wanted to get a raw. Potentially talented player at the defensive. End position given where the falcons are at with john abraham leaving with manure being on the older side But can you say. I mean there was just nothing the to do. Yeah unfortunately all right. We'll move on from pong real quickly. The seventh realm for the falcons. They actually had three seventh round picks. They took out the south florida safety. Kamalesh mail out of notre dame safety zeke motta and quarterback. I'll duke sean rent-free. Interestingly rent-free stuck around for the wall even though he was mainly on the practice squad. I don't think you have a really cracked the roster ishmail turned out to be a fantastic seventh round. The state around from several years got to some additional contracts even played linebacker for a time under dan. Quinn so you know he. He carved out a nice role for himself both on special teams and including as a starter both at strong safety and linebacker. So what are your thoughts on. These picks that wrap up. Seventh round for the falcons yell. Start with zeke. Obviously just given what happened in his career with the injury on really unfortunate. He was a guy that i had high hopes for. I think especially when you consider that he Man i really. I just remember feeling really good about him. Coming out of college i liked. I liked his tape member. seeing some video breakdowns of him after the drafts And you kind of knew he was a guy you could you could potentially stash have as a special teams as for awhile and hopefully you know develop into a a solid If not starter than a Reliable backup who can rotate in. But now of course there is the the major entry that derailed his career and That whole situation became such best rate with not just the entry itself but also the the lawsuit and everything that transpired there so in other situations such shame of how it how it turned out. You know rent-free he kind of had the career. You'd think you'd out of day seventh-round quarterback right right. Not is he was not a whole lot of artem but you know he he stuck around the obviously Coming from duke. I'm sure he. He had some things to offer from the mental side of the game. I don't have a lot of thoughts on sean. Refuse to be honest punishment. One of my favorite falcons from this era. Another guy kind of like lolo. Who just did whatever he needed to carve out a role real special teams ace When you consider that a guy with his build was able to be a force at linebacker that was something that Maybe maybe we talked about a bit of time. But i think it he. He deserved a little bit more attention than he did the way that he was able to step in with that with the body that he had in not just a linebacker. In the sense that you know you look at dion. Guarantee doesn't have the frame of a of a typical linebacker but he doesn't play that game right he doesn't play that hardnosed You know Phone school football. He's the he's the speed He's he's got the sideline to sideline speed with the komo. Ishmael just put us down. He just knocks you out and You just gotta respect to the physicality that he brought the team You just kind of knew that. When dan quinn took over and preached the fast and physical. mentality i just. It just felt like ishmael was in the right situation there. I mean yes is just brought that raw physicality to the to the defense special teams. He was verse versatile player Brought a lot of energy to the room and man how could you not love schmil. I mean he was a j. I mean look at seventh round picks. What mark you ever want. Yeah exactly most of these guys Just completely flameout the league after a year or two and they got a player that stuck around for you know. I i think actually a couple additional contracts were he got some when you're deals and You know was actually a contributor on special teams as as a pinch pinch hitter as starter safety and linebacker really just a high quality for a seventh round. Pick i do want to highlight some of the undrafted free agents from this class. Because i think this will help the case for dmitrov in two thousand thirteen. Obviously the two thousand twelve draft class was probably his worst ever two thousand thirteen. I think made up for some of it because some of the undrafted free agents that he signed linebacker. Jaap low bar to who played for a couple years Linebacker paul warrilow. There's a name that or grit around. Yeah we're talking about so much grit you could send you can send your knives with it. And finally arguably his best free agent signing maybe ever ryan schrader out of valdosta state came out in two thousand thirteen and he was able to pick him up and obviously shredder turned into a pro bowl right. Tackle in his time with falcon. So obviously you know did a lot of good work. I think in this draft class overall end in free agency which still counts. You know that that is a credit to the organization To the guys that they have scouting these players who you know the minute draft ends. They are on phones and they're calling agents and they're saying hey. You guys didn't get drafted. Bring him in what we want him in camp and they brought in those three guys in olive which contributed over the next. Several years falcons so a big win especially with schroeder who i think was arguably one of the best free agents. They they ever picked up on the team. All right with that said we've talked about free agency. Disaster sam baker contract letting go of john abraham We've talked about the draft class whether overall thoughts on what dmitrov did in two thousand thirteen season. He was put in a tough spot. And it's very easy to look back and feel like there. Were better ways to go about it. I think when you the one area that i wish was given more attention was defense event. Yeah i think. I like to see more veterans brought in even if you know Even vet minimums who Could could fill into the rotation there. I think the way the offensive line was handled Was not fantastic. And you look at the way you look at the way. The season played out. I mean it was. I think one of the big stories if not the biggest reason why the team faltered was just. The lines were disasters on bolton and I don't think anyone anticipated the situation in the trenches to be as bad as it was. But when you look at who you lost. You lost a lot of strong veteran players in the trench and in you lost a lot. He lost a lot of talented quarterback in the that. But man there a i would have liked to see another center brought in like to see another edge brought in you know to fill another rotation There are a lot of great positives from this from this offseason from dmitrov. Their of huge negatives to the draft. Fantastic sam baker contracts worst smoothie dmitrov made very season and very key positions that were either not address well enough or were addressed poorly look left tackle at at center at defensive ends and yeah i think i mean it's very hard for me. I was thinking about this earlier. As i was getting ready to think about like a grade that would give dmitrov. I'm having a really hard time nailing down a grade because it's just so all over the place. moves There was so much like in so much dislike that. I'd be curious to know if you have. If the letter grade you would give or just overall sussman. I'm with you. I did the same thing preparing for this as i went through. All these moves went through draft class the free agents and looked at it was like. Oh my god literally. It's that kids school. That gets his first test is like a fifteen hundred and then he gets one. Oh five with all the extra credit. You're like what in the hell like. Who is this kid You know and you would say okay it averages out to a see but that doesn't feel right. It's just the variants as to why it's not. This is not a kid. It's not like a d be this little. It was literally like an f. The worst f you could get and then some as in there and that kind of variance. I think makes it really difficult. Technically averages out to a c. But it doesn't feel. I don't know about you doesn't feel right to me. I feel like it's it's almost like he's a jekyll and hyde he was both. He was both awful with what he did. Was sam baker but then also very shrewd with what he did in the draft. And i think even maybe this is the approach. Take i don't think you can give this year a letter grade. I think you have to go with that. It was exactly what we said. It was a and high that was high variance. It was terrible. Terrible moves followed by really really solid ones and that to me is what that is the two thousand thirteen season for for thomas to metro. Yeah i would. I would say as i think about this in my view change tomorrow but i feel like it's skewed or negative given the context so the problems were coming off the two thousand twelve season if they really struggled. Some of these moves would have made a little bit more sense to me or or general journal approach would have made a little bit more sense to me But when you come at one missed pass interference potentially away from you. Know being right there to clinch your spot super bowl address the trenches the way that you need to That for me. I think might be what pushes me over to saying that overall it wasn't negative grade Just given the context of the falcons you know. Obviously we're expected to contend for the super bowl. They were favorite coming into the season but it was just so apparent from the very first game that there was something horribly wrong on both sides the ball on the line. Yeah and you know. I i would maybe be a little bit more kind here. With my overall assessment if sam baker had been healthy and then experience his injury woes after the big contracts. I think for me. That's kind of put you dmitrov knew. We had to address the lines in. He addressed the most important position. When you thinking about protecting your franchise quarterback but it was a move that did not look good at the time Minute does it. Looks far worse now So art would push me. You know nate. It's hard it's hard to. it's it's i can't i can't really nail down my overall feelings here but yeah i think the sam baker contractors were pushes me a little bit towards negative. I think what you highlight is probably the most important point here. And it was ultimately the most damning thing really about demetre entire time. Atlanta was his inability to address the trenches properly and that goes for both sides of the ball. Yup it's funny. We're just now getting to the point where we have a relatively solid offensive line. Even though at this point it's still has gaps in it. We're here eight years later. And we're still talking about gaps on the offensive line right but the defensive line really from the time that john abraham left has never recovered. It's never gotten back to being. Even though just a mediocre pass rush. It's been awful since he's been gone more nozoe head. They've tried the tried yes and Exactly in and maybe that's even more damning is that it emits. Those efforts those first round picks of vic beasley of a of attack mckinley. I think you can sort of rewind the clock way back to this two thousand thirteen season and say this is where really the collapse of the trenches started for the falcons franchise and this was the birth of that. So you know maybe in that light yeah it will be hard to see distract. This class overall is as being a positive. So i think i'm i'm with you. I would label this as an overall negative dmitrov. Even though he did make some good moves and signs some key players that would contribute for a long period of time so andrew. Thank you again so much for joining me on the podcast. This has been fun. 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2003 AFC Championship: Patriots vs Colts

Patriots Dynasty Podcast

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2003 AFC Championship: Patriots vs Colts

"Love this podcast. Support this show through the cast supporter feature. It's up to you how much you give. And there's no regular commitment. Just click the link in the show description to support now. This is christine brown. And while i have to listen to this podcast as my motherly judy. You have the choice not to my son. Sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny but really just being stupid. You still want to listen. Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Back to the pages dicey podcast. I'm your host sandy. Brown with me are the brothers brown. Fresh off of a I think our experiment into other fan bases was a short one. Short lived from our browns. On brown's podcasts earlier. I thought it was stunk. Up the joint See minus larry nolte thing on groups young. Yeah so we didn't end up dropping the browns off at the pool. So but i think going from watching all of these cleveland brown losses even though it's just the highlights the shift from that to the game. We're talking about this week. Greg introduce us to what this game is. Can we just play that the clash song. I fought the law and the law the law and the law one. I'll see if i can fit that in here. In that describes this game. John was the single greatest single defensive player game in patriots history and we went argue that williams throw really did set the league record in saxon a playoff game once. Who's that guy was pretty good. I i couldn't think of any of my head. What year was that indie. It'll be a couple of years after five or six something that against the jag. Whatever us but Yeah i would say that. I mean if this isn't number one it's one in one thousand in three. Afc com prince game patriots versus the colts. Peyton manning coming to town in the snowiest sleep. It's more like it was slushing anybody's from new england dan that term. It's it's no but just barely as right on the edge of rain and so it hits you and melts immediately and you get soaking wet even though it's snowing So yeah from all the all the fans that you saw that they're just standing. There just were soaked. They weren't covered in snow. And it wasn't really accumulating like it was kind of like had like you know when you get the slush on his. I walk was like that on the field. Par football weather as virginia. Winters snows here so another reason not to move to virginia sounds great. You're right. they're probably wishing for snow at that point in that stadium. They're like how do i have right now. Yep all or nothing. that's what you need. Yeah i mean there's got to be so much hype going around this game. Oh going into this game Because this is a even if you're not a patriots fan or colts fan. This is like an nfl fans dream. Yeah it's best offense versus the best defense in the league playing about as well as those units can play to yes. So let's talk about the colts. Because i think that was the kind of the big storyline. Is that coming into this game. The colts were as hot as you can be for an offense so now so because i all right so i don't know if any of you have the stats for this. But i know one of them was that in the colts. First two playoff games. They had not funded. They hadn't punted once we get to the other defining game for me. Well we'll get there but let's talk. What else else is happening with. These colts coming into this game back up step to put it in historical context of the call. It's right they're pretty bad for a while until they draft did pain and yeah i overall. He's their savior. Leads boston area. So he's like coming into his own. This is his fifth season in the nfl. He's it puts up a lot of god in numbers law but they can't get over the hump of the playoffs so he's win three in the playoffs prior to get into this season we to the jets last year last three now. They got the doors. Blown off forty-one by the jets last year. Yeah but i mean the fact that they made three playoffs in five years so then this year rolls around big twelve and four es co. mvp he's the nfl. Passing leader is like forty two hundred yards on the season through the air in two thousand. Three hundred kills twenty nine touchdowns only ten interceptions. There are average in shade under thirty points. A game. the offense their second in points thirty yards in the nfl. They get the divisional or the wild card because the other coin. Vp be last week. Right steve mcnair so then all they do an that is they. Shit stop the broncos. Forty one to ten indianapolis. I got the drive charm. Frienemie is the colts. Dr char touchdown touchdown touchdown touchdown. Field goal touchdown. Field goal fumbled downs. That's it yeah wasn't peyton. Manning didn't like almost a perfect quarterback rating in that one of the two. I think it was. Yeah so pay manning stats in that game. Twenty to twenty six three hundred. Seventy seven yards five touchdowns no picks fuck one fifty eight point three rating perfect rating. Yep so those last. Weren't even manning the fumble down so every time man is in their garbage time. Yeah that's shiner feel touch to score. They scored touchdowns yet fuses. All right so then they go to the chiefs. Who had a great season is well undefeated nine or something. Yeah dr track. From that game used place touchdown touchdown touchdown. And two half field goal touchdown touchdown downs on like eighty percent so that was a thirty eight to thirty five or thirty eight thirty one in kansas city. Yeah that was a shootout. That's right because it was that was priest. Holmes is chiefs to iraq. It's yup and manning stat line twenty to thirty three hundred four yards. Three touchdowns no picks one thirty eight point seven only. Yeah so coming into this. He is just torching. Defense's leaving dead defenses in his wake. Yes he's got twelve incompletions in two games and eight touchdowns so is good as manning gets. Yeah you can't. You can't really get any better in the playoffs. Yeah so you gotta think cults vans going okay. This is the year we got over that playoff on ends. Mvp we are unstoppable. We're wag and right now. We're going to the super bowl. Kansas city. That's a tough place to win. Aaron right into arrowhead stomped down and so that kind of segues into one of the quotes that the commentators talked about. I think it was bernie on bonnie on the on the sidelines. Talking about before the game. painting himself was coming in with a lot of with with the colts. Trailing new england by fourteen was right about one thing and wrong about another. He was right. When you call the patriots quote a different animal be said their sound on both sides of the ball will have to work for everything. He was wrong what he said. If we lose this won't be because they confuse me. Poor interceptions greg speaks for itself. I four interceptions of the post season for him so if they lose this is not going to be because it's patriots defense. Confused him problems which to me as at the time. Probably a bigger peyton manning hater than i am. Now wasn't huge fan of him when he played but he's grown on me now he's retired. I would say that. That almost sounds a little bit like him. Throwing his kick on the bus. I will if we lose. It's not going to be because obviously so it's almost like he was kind of building and some other excuses as to why this might lose. Maybe defensively they're going to give up too many points or whatever which makes sense after the previous week. They gave up thirty one through all doing scoring touchdowns because their defense great did. Did you see that stat about the punts to know about punt punchless games they. Yes yes. I think i'd take a picture of it. It was Nfl postseason all time games with zero punts this year two games all other teams three games out of three hundred ninety one possible games for crazy. Yeah and so you were thinking this was. I think a lot of people go into this thing is going to be a shootout. Because that's what it was in indianapolis when the patriots went there earlier in the season right which was like an all time regular season game. So that's adding to the hype this to of like okay. They went to indeed. There was a a last-minute play to to win the game after a furious. Twenty one point comebacks so like. Throw that on the mix of getting hype about this. Cvs is like the wet dream. He got brady. Who is like the the winning quarterback. That's young dad like. Oh he's pretty good manning who's like the highly touted as first round pick and a seventh round. Pick going at it. They're both like really good earlier in their careers. Like that dynamics awesome. The ballot check nanning dynamic. Is there the other have been going at it for years at this point since two thousand is often not always but often got manning's number manning doesn't always have great games against them so i think man was one in six seconds belch to point in his career. Five yeah this might have been the sixth one. I think so. Yeah because that was an early narrative right of it wasn't so much bella check verse man or Brady manning was ballot check Bell jack defensive masterminding you come up with something to to confuse payton. Dayton's over here. It'd be like ain't gonna compete. We lose because i was confused. But yeah and then i would. I would say peyton. Manning faces a very recognizable. Meme i would have to say this game was probably its apex. He is peak all-time manning face just the from geico interception. He threw they cut to him. He did the triple shrug. There's no less than fifteen manning faces in this game at least see means our part in this game like it's just a great man face in grouchy us. Grouchy was reason to be. She looked war-torn. Hey he fought the law and the law one. It really did all right. So do you want to kind of get into this game. Then yeah jerry. Because yeah i mean we. We won't go dry dry. But i think there's a lot of like i have a i s go. Quarter-by-quarter your thoughts. Yeah and it shows up pretty early in this game. Two is the law memory. Add that poster. The law malloy know. I have lawyer. And they swapped him in for rodney harrison. Yes and he bought out in this game. He did an awesome awesome. I think is correct or something in the first quarter. We'll know the interception. The game starts the patriots. Go out and like is i. Try things like midfield or something and they they go for it on fourth and one was like at the colts forty and brady sneak is it always is but like i almost set the tone of like this is going to be one of those games where we're just gonna like where we're not playing it safe. We're going to pull out all the stops and it started literally. The first drive going from fourth wants the first series. Yeah and then it ends with brady. Throwing one of my favorite of his touchdowns. I think it's one of those ones. That i i always forget about but when i watch them. Oh that is one of the greatest playcalls and like execution of it as well where it was brady he had get out on the wing and he faked a wide receiver screen to him. So the defensive back comes up and then given just runs passing laws at to of in the end zone wide open. Irv a great play call. You're on the seven right for the patriots. Run that all the time of just get into wide receiver on the inside the five yard line team. He can make a mess. And he's got a touchdown if he can write and the dude bid on it so hard because they pump it and he's given us so and it was such a good player. I don't think i've ever seen them really run that again that i can remember. It's true but like that's your. I like touchdown. Play call is that which is great at ford catches on that drive. Yeah he didn't really do much else after that. But it's all right and then yeah and then of course like the colts as they would do kind of almost all game just kind of move straight down the fields with relative ease. I don't know about us. I mean. I think the pages made them work for but they were still moving. The ball successfully get down to inside the new england like five yard line on third down manning confused for the first time of the day and throws an interception to rodney harrison. And i thought if you looked at the play tony pollard. The the tight end was are an marchal policy. Yeah and he looked wide open at the beginning which he may have been but then all of a sudden rodney harrison kind of like the whole defense like shifts as the plays happening like rotates. Almost his rodney's just us just there is a bad throw. It was not a good throw rate research off his is peddling as these throwing it. It's the read and then tried to still do it anyway. ronnie's instincts over off his guy victimized them in the end zone. Yeah and i pay manning face where he does. A little shrug thing. He's thousand triple sure he's looking at you. Know who you try to blame. That was all on ubud like pollard was wide open from the from the get go and you just missed the read until you found it too late. Yeah anyone interested Go to nineteen minutes in the youtube video. I wrote them down i started. I started writing down. Manning faces and then i had to start abbreviating m. f. which i thought was funny because motherfucker just gave up because there are so many doing this is yeah. I would just watch the whole thing. Because you'll you'll get a sprinkling of them in there. You go to the youtube which is two hours long and just click randomly and you'll see when within about a minute and a half you'll get there real quick won't take you long. Just just just watch. Random plays of the colts offense. And you'll you'll get there So that was basically the first quarter. Both those drives quite a lot of time so patriots. Seven up seven. Nothing first quarter and i remember. I think we're just that right before. Do the interception on third down in the red zone about how in the playoffs event thirteen for thirteen on third down. And also those another one where they were Another ten touchdowns in the last thirteen red zone dries the colts offense of that hoops Oh and also on. The colts opened their offensive play. Like when they got the ball back their first offensive play was a false start and it was the first penalty on offense the whole postseason for them hundred seventeen plays i was the first one they did and it was literally the first. The game for them was nice. All right so first. Quarter over seven. Nothing and so. I was thinking about this today. Where like some of these games like. I remember a lot about them. Or i'll you know for a lot of like boston sports moments. Are you know you remember where you were and that sort of thing in this game. I didn't remember where i was. When i watch or anything like that but i remembered the feeling that i had what i watched originally when i was watching it again this week. What do you mean because yes it was that but also fear in their to Of like fear. We're going to be able to keep this up because once we get in the second quarter like this is where it kind of hit like this whole second quarter and the way all play out like wait. We could actually do if we keep doing this in the second half like we can. We can pull this off without brady throwing anymore touchdowns they they dominated but they weren't on the scoreboard. I think that's what i'm saying. Yeah because they red zone on was atrocious. Military goes five five on field goals. We were just sitting on the double overtime game last week where they went five for five vert carolina Kick those you know what i'm saying. They're all from within the ten right all year. They'd had shit red offense and it's like if they score a couple touchdowns ends schemes over. And they're just kind of hanging in i that fear to andy i remember that. Yeah but they were doing just enough on like dr felt like i think because i think they went out they went three and out twice and they were both in the fourth quarter So they were kind of still like moving the ball while the patriots were a lot of like five wide in the snow as you do but floyd brown spots. Yeah a lot of troy brown when you absolutely needed him. I think he didn't convert another fourth down. Did he come. Within the third time he's also On the first drive the second quarter and the patriot driving again. He had like two huge catches and then brady almost rose interception but choi knocks out the defenders hands so they were able to kick a field goal on that first drive reds on your right. Yeah and so. That was like a huge turning point to good. I mean it's it's three points but it kind of all like mattered at the end. So patrick up ten nothing at this point. So after the turnover they marched down. They kick a field goal ten. Nothing pats payton mandar the second quarter so like pay getting a little frisky got do something. Here and healthy yard. Kickoff return first offensive play. Yeah he he tries to stick on the corner on the corner out entire law who's over that he jumps off his guy. And you guys will remember this play where he starts float back and he just does the one hand scoop catch as he slide down probably the best of his three picks the game. I would say whenever whenever. I hear the name troy brown tie law. That's the play. I think of the first pops into my mind is going to be his interception ever. Yeah i would agree most athletic. I mean that was one handed one handed. Yeah perfect catch amazing catch well. It was just indicative of how tyler place. He's he's proactive. Rather than reactive are they. Get a lot cornerbacks in the league that they're decent players but they're always just trying to not get be. Yeah we're law would try and beat you. Yeah absolutely no. He'd be like i am quarterbacks he'd be trying to jump routes being. It'd be doing all this stuff that's like. I just felt like a competitor that was trying to make plays every time us out. There does the same thing more does the same thing. Those who guys also was who gilmore gilmore kill bay quarterbacks into throws and like read them and set them up and just like they are trying to be you and i agree with that and it almost feels like they know not just what their responsibility is on the field but like what the defenders around them need to be doing too so like on that. Play especially like that like you said. That wasn't the guy. Tyler was covering but he dropped off of that because he saw paint manning's going deep and they acted the commodores. I talking about like how many meetings tiles like. I don't need to be all these meetings. We have meetings all the goddamn time and they're like well. This is what you get from. Those meetings is that you recognize that if this is the combination. I can't really see what pilot says about that. Do you think he is like. I bet they're feeling at a little bit. And you're going to try and take a deeper shot than the safer underneath stuff wondering you right or like reading a quarterback's eyes. Yeah and like body language. You know i feel like he was a good instinct player. But then you'd think you'd get beat more often trying to do stupid shit. I'd love to hear him. Talk like xs and os to see what how much of it is. I game crapshoot versus how much he's just like. He's going with the flow of the game and just reacting to what he sees are hanging. I'm right down right now. i'm gonna go see if we can get tile on the podcast dude title also rules just as a person. He's the best way to find some of his vodka. I tried really hard to get them as vodka for this. But i can't get it anywhere. I'm recording from a trampoline. Right now tyler trampoline parks that he sold his no longer. But yes. i got some notes on tyler though. We'll save that for the end. I i think we should. I think he's gonna kiss his career in general all right The page don't do much of that. Kick another field goal kicking. Field goal classic. Just the last drive. And i think that on some of these field goals the last couple. I think it was they. They actually had some good playcalls but christian for a dropped. Two touchdowns did both had like in both hands catches that he's made another games. So we'll add ons some like good playcalls to but i think if you caught either one of those. This game looks very different. This game isn't nearly as close as it was at the end patriots. Kind of laugh. Almost adding eight points to their lead at halftime right. Yeah exactly and so yeah. So you're more than two touchdowns and yeah. I think things might look a little different. How did they get to that Big fifty nothing halftime lead. Well yeah because right now. It's thirteen nothing which means If my math is correct two points away safety in this game yes. Remember safety steve. Do you remember what this is. I mean obviously the the tile picks everyone those are the hottest team. But i remember this very clearly embodied the build up all that talk about earlier it showed that stat of how they had it on fronted in like nobody else ever has never punted in the playoffs and apparent. Like all the The indianapolis media was giving the punter a whole bunch of shit about how he's like paycheck and the the commentators are talking about all. That's a lot of money for just holding. Just being a whole they're paid so much also. I just want to point out the fact that the name the name hunter smith and nobody called him hunter. The punter i was just thinking that in my head stuck amiss i mean for for like a phil simms type of guy to. Who's like we talked about last week. About how fucking work. Joe work appropriate jokes shit. He does like. You're going to miss the hunter. The punter joke in like they're saying his whole name every time like he's troy brown. There's an hunter smith. There's another hunter on the team. It's very millennial name to hunter. He wears skinny jeans per share. Yeah tiktok if our last name was green and brown eyed name. My first born hunter hunter green. Because that's all he could wear in name your name. You're not not brown. He's all no. It doesn't work dark. Chino light dr. Your coffee nerd. You'll think of something. I'll come up with mocha feces. Hot brown the hot hot brown. Same hot middle name. Hot last name brown hot garbage nap on this. One hundred punter was high garbage and also speaking of perfect names for That that that punt in general the long snappers named justin snow just just in snow. Does he snapped the ball to feet. Over the punter's head yards backwards was not ready for your surprise. Goes over his head. The best part was hunter. The punter is wearing to receiving gloves. Still can't catch the ball really handle it. He gets like half a finger on it that he's run. Aft yes rolling. After it and i think his his kick on what he does like gray play from the line just like belts it out the back of the end zone just kicks heads up play. It's kind of. It's probably really hard to kick a bouncing football on the grass. That's all into snow. Yeah hit first time. Top corner greg tate. I best player on the colts in the first half. Yeah you might be. He saved them to five. Points de donald. I thought was hilarious that they did you see. They like zoomed in on hunter to when he was just like i did the best. I could hunter stand. That guy. rules doesn't for two games comes in and getting snapped overs his head out the back. Electric playoffs amazing. His only appearance. Yeah later i think yeah. I think he punted once more. But so you like to snaps the entire ause one over his active fifteen rows deep fifty yards. And he's like yeah fucking suck it make my money now right thirty you five points in playoff game who. Maybe you should have been bitch net. Yeah fucking justin snow just over there. You'd never like stuck in snow. Oh that whole they're still looking good and everyone and then like okay. Now you know what in special teams breakdown even the game right greg. It's right third of the game right And so. I mean i feel like this is kind of similar again to the first colt game. The past play in indianapolis where watching this. It felt like there was a lot of opportunity for the patriots to like just step on the throat of the colts and just like put the game away. Because you know you just you just gotta safety on what should have been upon so you get two points and kicking the ball right back to you and i think the kickoff returns that she pretty good so you got the ball like almost midfield ish. I think your own forty something like that and three plays in bethel. Johnson fumbled the ball cultural cover. Like well fuck like that. We could've just like put the game way right there. Get any sort of points out of that and now three touchdowns and a half but instead you've given indianapolis a ball back with two minutes around feels and this is a team that we've seen can score quickly my real quick and they move it. Yeah and so they they they drive inside the twenty. And of course they score a touchdown in the way. Nope rodney pops up again. Monster game game this is. This is a harrison on harrison crime. Marvin harrison catch the ball. The mid- middle at rodney de cleats him. I think if if marvin harrison had any fillings they were loosened by this hit. No it wasn't like. I don't know he got kind of low but he got him right on the ball. Like harrison's bracing for the hit rodney went even lower when you that wall. Just kinda wasn't like a stock them square we're glancing but his hit was square on the ball. Hit him square ball. Pops out a boy tyrone poole who they mentioned. Used to play for the colts which i do not remember. I remember him playing for the panthers for a while. I didn't know he played for the colts. so found himself on the right side of the coin. This game including that fumble recovery so the patriots kind of escape a bit of like a what could have been some like a swing and swing in momentum and they realize that and decide to run. The clock three runs in naff or to run. Neil so halftime it's fifty nothing and this is where i'm thinking like this defense is is fucking killing it with the turnovers. The offense can just do like one more thing like we. We have this game hand and things feel pretty good and pay man. You always kind of life there. Dr chart after those drag charts from your in the playoffs because it was. Yeah it was. The first half touchdown drives the other games were a touchdown touchdown touchdown end of half right basically and in this game. What was it interception. Interception fumble safety fumble god to. They haven't had a drive. That didn't end in a turnover or points for the other team. Still still having punted yet. Though i find it. Yeah that's joe live. Maybe maybe three the rest. The nfl can have three so they literally punt once in this game. It's like what you're saying. I mean it's a year you you dominate this first half dominate. But they were a couple of plays away from being a one score game going into halftime which is scary in itself especially how the game earlier in the season when you you're blue. Twenty one point lead six minutes and the and the colts are over this day. They were down two touchdowns to was the bucks earlier in the season on monday night. Three five pounds less than five minutes. They actually mentioned right. Yeah three touchdowns with about five minutes left and they. They won that game so being up. Fifty nothing halftime. It's nice but it doesn't quite feel like enough especially when Indy starts the second half with first of all Kick return to midfield on the opening kickoff. Then they converted a fourth and one and then this dr was like almost all runs as well. Those there was no real painting. In this and agra there's just like edgar james down their throat and he ends up running it in from like the three so now. It's fifteen seventy thanking god. Damn it just think the euro could being a one point game if a got right where like strip that guy of the ball on the interception. They don't get those three points could be down to right now. So this game is still very much in the balance And then patriots again settled for another field goal even though they get inside the fifteen from the nine geico field yep actually on the fourth the delay of game and then kicked it from the nine right exactly but then indianapolis. They're only three and out there only punt of the game. So you kinda like okay. We're we're maybe that i drive may fluke. That's great. maybe this defense is is ready to to hold again and then new england just starts running the ball like antoine smith in this game. I think we said it to last game or maybe it was like the last game of the season against the the bills were they. They ran down the throat and he looked like he was running like it was two thousand one again. Same in this guy saving his legs or something. This shit fields. It must be of line but this this offensive line play i could. I could've ran for seven five. Came for sure. Yeah and that's that's but that's with being tackled by the first touch you like the the off of day or even mentioned it somewhere might have actually been right around here on some of these. Big antoine smith runs where competition is talking about. How the patriots offensive lineman were high fiving after the play because they had blocked it so well fill. Good common commentary zinc. It's never good when the offensive line's five exactly. Yeah it was funny. Wasn't it andy did you it. Did it make you giggle. No fucking hated it. Yeah based in women to runs who earned from our thirty to thirty just back. Toback anton gaping to draw. Yeah tractor trailer. So they kick another field goal right from the free from the three yard line kick from the three yard line. Yeah just like any of these turns touchdowns move game is a absolute blowouts. Exactly what i'm talking about. Oh anton smith twenty two carries hundred yards even nice day on the ground. I'll statue myself. Yeah so so. The patriots have answered that touchdown with two long drives but six points. So now we're up. Twenty one seven and colts get the ball back again and greg. You wanna walk through this dr plays. He hasn't thrown his required interception for every quarter. This game yet true well and paying gets a little happy feet. You could tell. He starts like forcing it yet. Game because a lot of these pigs came. When he's you could tell. It was just like a frustration. Pick to and he's he's on the move he's like one especially he's getting flush out of the pocket. He's rolling out. This is the before is second and seventeen. He's got none then yours down. Twenty four twenty one seven and the third quarter. He just like a. We went out in the flat when this guy directly in his face overthrow minutae log again just like following the play. Not the guy. He was covering can scoops in behind. And just snags it as he rolls out of bounds. Second pick of the game. I think pay was more surprised about this interception than the first one he thought he had thrown it away safely. Even if the guy's not going to catch you thought he threw out of bounds and there's dialogue ivan a big enough that on somebody paying like. Oh my own could not have been more pay. Manning's fault forty eight minute manning face if you're So yes that'll baseball sixty i'd lined up twenty one seven and the third quarter yup games over right. Yeah and new england Like territory as that third half ends in the first. The fourth quarter begins Like new england's driving their inside the indianapolis five and this is where for a drops yet. Another one of his should have been a touchdown. Hit him in the hands of just go straight through him like it wasn't an easy catch but it's an easy catch for an nfl player. It's something he's caught before drops it and then the drive ends with brady throwing an interception in the end zone which is his first interception at home all season a horrendous time to throw it in fact yes not having to pick a couple of times in this game but this one wasn't as flaws dietrich ward running the slant who wasn't his fault dude fuck that. Why did he throw the ball. It's twenty one year on the five yard line. it's a fuel berries this game and he tries to stay into coverage to dietrich ward. What are you doing that guy inside. I don't give a shit you know wooded ball if there's someone within five yards of steve through but it was also very very badly run route so this is his furnace and like it's not like blame him like why these in need player okay. Knee us a neat pickup. So you shut your goddamn off if you ever. If you ever rights and autobiography on the back of it will be need player. Greg brown on the back of it wasn't me it was tom. Yeah via greg brown via phil simms via tom brady does have your quote. Each other pickup. That guy's been for us. He's neat so clearly. Not that neat anymore. But this is tom. Brady's first interception at home since two thousand and two verse miami. That's a long time. But that's like the december before long time ago It was his first interception home in the last three hundred and thirty passes and his first interception in the playoffs and allows one hundred. Sixty five passes. You knew. He's gonna throw one though when they put up the stat earlier in the game and oh he said three hundred passes without throwing ninety at home. It's like saying they didn't punt the whole game for two games or elementary has a missed all season. Yeah or pay manning's qb rating is one fifty. Eight point three Yes so again. Had a chance to step on the on the colts next and just didn't really bad turnover and then next play. The colts got the ball. The twenty the next play the referees missa delay game by like two or three seconds. How to know. You're going to bitch about that. I watched that. And i was going to be like well. Let me let me predict your next statement. You bitch phil simms for being like. Oh yeah there's a one second difference. There aren't going to call it right. No fucking prove it. You have that written down to your nuts just go to the commentator. The anti-cull here i will. I will show you the commentators sexually all thing. Indie more mad that a missed call is when the commentator agrees with the miscall shit dumbest shit commentators second empty. How empty something for the deleted that. I don't blow control z. What oh yeah fix. Disciple does the last thing. I've touched something for the commentator station. While we're on it well hang on just just to go back to greg's point what i was gonna say. Is everybody bitching about how the patriots and tom brady. Always get all the calls. Andy delay of game on their own. Twenty that's no relevance but know instead instead they get a like eleven yard gain off it first down moving the ball already get fought the other two drives. They started without it. They didn't score so this drive end up. They didn't score. How do you mean karma. That's why steve. Oh karma for cheating. You'd never catch the patriots cheating so peyton manning the cheater that he is will pay the price for this. Well backing up a step. Did you see thailand and harrison. A little feisty on the sidelines when Brady threw that pick now. Yeah they showed it even before. I think he's actually the dropped by forty those who are on the sidelines like huffing and puffing being like okay. Yes that's what it was. Yeah i thought that was pretty interesting. Yeah it was the defense like it felt like day. They realize that this game was on them to win. Yeah after that after that like end of that series the end of that drive and they made they had already made enough plays to win the game at just in the first half alone right like any points there. You're and it's over serious reiver's can start cruising gallery score game. Maybe the ball the thirty one yard line and then you turn that into zero point. Denzel like an eleven yards like with the fraga. Exactly well you're gonna say about the commentator sleep. I'll save that for my best. Okay this dry. I've might be my favorite Defensive drive in in patriots history. Yeah so you've been teasing. Eugene wilson game. I told you guys this is your eugene welcomes. If the what i told you so the best part is i didn't know it was coming. Wait so you're telling me that the reason you bought a eugene wilson jersey with high law gave was the well. I already had the show for tyler trouble jersey which you are currently wearing. Yes allah measures. I i've been looking for these. These plays for multiple years. Maybe a decade and they don't exist on youtube except for embedded in this two hour. They will just come website. There's no eugene. Wilson highlight package. Because there's no one even knows g wilson it we will. We will make that packet. We're going to buy distinctly. Remember like two huge hits in the snow against indy. But i convinced myself by this point. I was like that must have been next year's a afc conference game. Yeah no no. I confuse those two. Because i thought there was a tedy bruschi. Play in this game and it wasn't. It's in the next one But yeah it's stokely coming over the middle and audibly gasped i happen. It was like he catches. He's the most defenceless receiver you've ever seen. Almost i can shoot as he turns that you know bradstock we tell you it looks like a fucking it. Looks like a public accountant. He looks like a podcast is what he looks and he just gets absolutely demolished this this this but it was like shoulder directly to the the middle of your chest. Yeah no flag no. This is perfect this issue back. Then i mean. I think that now it would have been flagged on the defensive receiver perspective and your immediate flag in today's nfl. That one when a head snaps like that because he got that that whiplash head effect where he hit them the shoulder directly into chess. but stoke we had Dry it was all us through that ball. Let him right into the safety which you've been kind of doing. Yeah he's fall day. Then he's forcing downey's like mustard. He's he's confused. Confused late reads and he's forcing balls and count his head off. So you separate no less than two days later. He's got marvin harrison going down the sidelines. He does one of those like try. Drop in the bucket throws our was reggie wayne andrea and reggie way. Does that little. Like i'm going to catch it. Sees out of the corner of his eye was going on like t rex. Yeah eugene wilson comes it absolutely topples just buckles. That one might have been hired in the first one was like air. Acid hits within three plays as holy shit so for like we have like new listeners. Who haven't seen this game like. Maybe they became patriots fans afterwards. Or something just think of any launching penalty. You've seen in the nfl on defense. It was that minus the flag to the point where the commentators are even arguing about whether it should be those glean. because he didn't use his head he uses shoulder. He got him kind of like right on the collarbone. The location was clean but he was defenseless. Like he just both of them. Yeah and actually because like syms as he's like oh that was definitely clean like he didn't. He didn't use his hat. He used his shoulders heads. Like way out of the way. and then What's his name the other guys like. Yeah but i think they were talking about that. It was the receivers defenseless and he goes. Oh could only move onto the next play and he hit one. You couldn't hit him in the head. though the head. It was a shoulder directly in the face mask yes. Those data writer launched into it was just like but i mean and to his credit he pop right back up but she's i don't think i would've side. I would have just been like just digging a grave here. I'm not moving. It was ugly comes back to because he wasn't as immediate was like me out. Yes token needed a break. Sometimes when you see those ones now though like the helmet-to-helmet ones like not cool these cool. Yeah i'll say these injuries. These might not be cool to say this. It was cool. Watch this'll be called targeting in In college football days he's been able to make the second one because he would have been injected with his playing within the rules at the time. True oh yeah. Absolutely coach that way. And that's the way the game. You're playing the marvin harrison. Reggie wayne man colts right. That's why your game plan is be physical right. yep is to make them pay for anything. Which is what you did ever since. Like the two thousand one super bowl. You did it then. Very physical very physical and the cold receivers have been getting very frustrated decapitated very oatmeal brained. It's awesome is louie. One of those plays that make you go. Ooh when you watch real time like oh. I didn't see him coming because he comes out of nowhere i did. I audibly gassed. Yeah i did on the large lordy. Goodness leaf as dad would say goodness so. After after eugene's finished cleaning wide receivers men and get sacked on third which pushes them out of field goal range now. It's fourth and the country mile and there's no country strong boys co mvp's in this game so peyton manning on fourth down greg. Do you wanna walk us through this. Yeah i think this is This is my favorite of the three interceptions fourth down. And he's trying to stick within their but and it's like He's going to the corner right. It's like a in seemed to out corner for arison your entire laws back to manning and then the throws coming like right by a shoulder whips his head around and just like immediately reacts to the ball. I think that's like his true ball skills. Come into play there and he just turns around starts doing his typical tile thing where he runs around for like thirty seconds and get falling over himself without getting bunched she did see a replay where it looked like he was passing off. Marvan pointed to say net around seeds balls governors. Yeah because he knew that the ball was coming that way what he thought was going to be up and over him yet. So he completes his hattrick the fourth for manning overall all the pre pretty nice interceptions in the best part. It's marvin harrison has three receptions nineteen yards and a fumble in this game the guy who had ninety four catches for thirteen hundred yards and ten touchdowns in season as three catches as many as tylenol do marvin harrison three catches nine nineteen nine yards ty law three catches twenty six years us walters who will touch on an minute three catches thirty yards probably should have had thirty one if one of those game continue but what. I love better offensive player than marvin harrison notably. Yeah i would agree He's he's he's a more favorites peyton manning target same catches more yards. No fumbles. it's pretty clear. I would say so. This comes right off the the heels of that brady interception where the called starts storm down. And then you get eugene. Wilson huge hit Huge tyler pick status just like that is just as a kid who was like. Those are my two favorite players on this team. Was eugene wilson and tyler. Daddy's have it that drivers you have bob. Mom i need you gene ralston. Exactly you got the pro bowl. One greg santa. what do you mean. Santic eugene wilson jersey. Santa's magic weisner fucking make one in his workshop. Elsa jesus yeah And so the patriots. Don't do much kind of offense the rest of this game. They go three and out after this the button at this point their almost like starting to try. So there's running the ball whatever. They can With wherever they have left antoine smith can fog doesn't matter Colts managed to put together a touchdown drive. They're in desperate mode is one of their down. Twenty one still down twenty one seven yes thank not desperation. Yeah six yeah. There's like five minutes left and payton's getting battered and they're running the hurry up like no huddle just like and manning's not like doing all his movement stuff. He's like getting the the line snapping the ball cuckoo's he can just like go for it. So they eventually. To score late touchdown manning to pollard. wasn't easy and took a lot more time than i think they wanted it to. 'cause this steve disease point was where they start talking about. How old remember that game where they were down three touchdowns with five minutes left and they still came back and so they're trying to out here. They just can't shaky who touching. Yeah so this point now. it's twenty one fourteen. Yes yay two and a half now. Yeah but for a kind of redeems himself a little bit. I would say by recovering. The onside kick caught a clean and this is is kick. It felt very like typical vander jacked was. Oh i'm so much smarter. These guys watch. I'm a trickle. Because they all like huddled and you could tell the patriots knew it was coming because instead of doing like you know when you usually see an onside kick really. Everybody spreads out within like five yards but all the way across the field there were all huddled like inside the Inside the hash marks like everybody except for two deep guidelines choi brown and kevin faulk or someone deep and everybody else is just like kind of milling around right in the middle of field and what. The colts decided to do was Vantage actors like broke out of the huddle and just kicked it right at the patriots and it kicked it right at four who caught it fell to the ground like bows no nothing kicked right adam and the patients recover the onside kick trying to outsmart themselves. I don't know yeah you gotta trash to onsides. Cake should only works in the browns though. Yeah yeah but like you could tell that they knew it was coming so just be like all right. You know what fuck this. Let's just do the regular onsides kick. i'm sure they practice that too. But yet china shit have you seen the guy the the fat spanish guy that is is like all these viral videos of him doing his special onsides kick though and he keeps feel like yo hire me. Nfl he's this guy has figured out a way to like kicks it directly at the ground right in front of them editing. Like a huge hop. I enough that he can just keep running forward and catch the ball ten yards downfield. So he's got all these videos of him like he'll kick it he'll raheel open a car door the ball go into the car door and then close it and it'd be like eagles signed me all they're actually like big me thinking maybe we should. This is not an ad love. I love thicker loss. Trick shot video still the best and if you're talking about an onside kick it's the same skill every time right if you can figure out a one that works. That's pretty valuable. Yeah although i have to imagine you could probably get somebody like a gostkowski ear. Vanna terry all right. See what this guy's doing video. How long will take you to learn that a week. Nascent wonder why they haven't done. Maybe they've tried. It doesn't work as well as that looks. I don't know. I don't know he's pretty sick. Hit a half court basketball shot with a onsides kick here via video. We'll show notes getting sky on the fucking. Get him on the pod. He looks like a real great interview to she does right bud. Colts didn't hire him. Was kidding this point two. Yeah so the parents get the ball. New england again just starts running down the colts throats trying to waste as much time as possible all over. Oh okay on this drive. Yeah because suspect a little bit suspect two and a half minutes left. She got on their forty four. But the call three time timeouts right so you run it first down through. Its second down which gets bad down. Third-down great throw to troy brown down the seam who's lined up against the linebacker but the linebacker makes an incredible plane. Just knocks understands drought. Choi did have it for now. That i think that defender made a great play flavor. The situation in betray adam be had not a great throw not a great thorough. Is there's brady browns easy on anybody to believe there down. That play was entree. Even troy brown himself would say that was his fall now. Of course you want everything evening. I'm sure but this one wasn't done right. Trainers this fall. No i disagree. And and you know what i will. I will not take toy brown. Slander on this podcast. From either of you wanna play like that. Just these are the facts. their lives and is liable. Liable is lander andy. You realize that you're like you're like the people that show up at the capitol trying to break in and still in the center. You're like what does it. What the truth is. I believe what my brain wants me to believe. And that's the end of the matter. You're absolutely wrong. Safety with anti mass in your on your us to hear everything like pro mask. You're like nope. That's just i know they're the created in my head. See i would agree with you on this point. If the garbage that is being spewed wasn't coming from the two of you. Who have tried in general like if this was coming from if bill ballot check came out and said that was on troy. Bill yeah all right fine if troy came out said that was on me. i think you're not troy. I believe you eat to view to where you will receive brown star this this podcast be like oh. These commentators are great. And now look at you. Yeah okay greg brown game you've watched in the season and a half now of a sudden you're an expert on on each ice your worldview of setting too. You know you're safe spacey snowflake. this is what i'm saying. This is not a challenge. Smell anything because it's coming from to a boy you baby you'll live third card. Go peep that got okay. Very not that that is being naughty. Say half of words. Like i don't think so. What about this is this okay. No very naughty naughty. What do you think yes. And no dow was hilarious in a medium. What i just did little better after. I don't remember what we're talking about. Yeah so the patriots pages. Get the ball after after the. Oh we're talking about troy brown dropping their being conversion fingers brad over there blowing the game for the patriots out and punts the second time the game Is what got to intercept. Another one for mandy is that what's going to happen it. Does he know he doesn't know so. Like the yeah. I called this boy have the ball back at their own. Twenty with two minutes left like exactly two minutes left. They go the elusive foreign out. Yeah i believe they don't get any yards completions to the patriots. I'm markets popular being held on third and fourth and it was but they call it. I would have been a soft call because there was contact but it was fifty fifty. I'm sure greg degrees. But i don't give a fuck then letting go all game and then so. The pages started the twenty run at three times. The third time is a tom brady naked. Bootleg get sniffed out. Tom brady tries to juke the defender. That's out there with them. Falls over and almost fumbled the ball away. I had a huge problem. The slant in the end zone okay with that the naked boot inside the twenty when you ought to do is kick a fucking field goal to win this game with tom. Fucking brady what are you. What are you doing. It was a call. My my problem with it is that tom brady doesn't go down. Like a sack of potatoes assumes that defender goes out he's on the fumble because he goes down like a sack of potatoes. Well no i me like without like he should have just like falling down slid taken the the law and that's it but instead he tries to beat the guy should have been in that position taken down and then the ball gets ripped out but luckily as news down already. Because he's such. A bad runner saved by that. That would have been if payton gets up. All he's taking that to the house right because it's still some on his fifteen yard line doesn't obvious time are nut. He's gonna take that score touchdown in tie game up so instead the pastry kick field goals. Now they're up ten and right this game's over over but it ends. I think in a perfect way because the colts are driving trying to. I don't know put garbage time score up or something. Yeah you're not going to give because it's it's the playoffs and you still like you. Never know you never know. But on fourth down man and completes a fourth and ten in mainecomplete pasa troy. Walters for like is like a five yard completion. Troy walters has enough room to go get the first down but instead steps out of bounds yard short of the line to gain and so he gains nine yards on four th and ted and his turnover and downs game over the perfect way to and this game. Yeah bonehead but when everybody in the stadium thought the game is over including the people who are like really on the stage to present the afc championship trophy and the patriots still had to rome one. More play to kneel to actually officially end because it was like three seconds left so everybody around the field and had like move everybody off and you could tell ballot check was like pissed because he's the only one that recognized what was going on like dragging people off the field and stuff but a great way to end the this. This season the going undefeated home. They went ten zero at home. His new england patriots which is a pretty impressive stat. What else adam. Military tied the playoff record for five field goals in a playoff game absence. All for second in the nfl with receptions on a playoff game david had four. Who's somebody recognize. It begins continues. His nfl streak of playoff games of the touchdown doesn't does the super long streak of playoff games at td's except maybe up christian fauria continues his continues. The the patriots streak of dropped passes by new england tight ends they any new investment worse. Here i guess though. No that can't be my. Because i always start off on the positive. No remember this house. Same drops qbr rating over one. Hundred points. what did he finished with gregg. Twenty three of forty seven two hundred thirty seven yards one touchdown for picks for saks rating of thirty five point. Five thirty day He was bad really bad harrison three catches nineteen yards really on the receiving coordinate. I think they should have bothered. Did alright but edry. James was like they had that one driver was running for well right at the beginning the second half and then they get sloppy grinded out kind of games in the playoffs like really getting stuff and getting some good though to force the ball fuck to dry throw a bunch of picks absolutely hard you want best and worst q. Talking about title law. Oh you wanna talk about tie. If it's this is the title of honorary episode. Here can never really gone too far depth about dialogue. We haven't so. I said let's give him a little historical context. How many pages to behalf on the light on a cold snowy day in december nineteen. He's from aliquippa aliquippa pennsylvania in who else went to his high school. It sounds familiar. I've maecenas funny stat. Multiple people randy moss. No giving mike ditka tony dorsett. Enduro rivas durell rivas. Yes impress marriage. Peop- heritage so he went. He grew up in pennsylvania. Went to michigan was an all american at michigan. Twenty third overall pick by the patriots in nineteen ninety five. He so he play. I mean he's part of that original throwback team all the bledsoe teams. He went to the super bowl against the packers. Five time pro bowler time all pro. He had fifty three career interceptions seven touchdowns he's into the patriots hall of fame and the pro football hall of fame as a couple of years ago. The jets hall of fame inducted into ours. So i got a list of quarterbacks that tyler intercepted okay because guys spanned multiple generations. This sick names on here. So can we guess. How many are on that steve. You may only have the notables our give me the give you the notable names then never mind all right first. Career interception was jim. Kelly damn going to start your career dan marino. Course steve young troy aikman boomers sizing steve mcnair fill rivers payton. Obviously of course. Tom brady and drew bledsoe. Yes oh beautiful. He loved picking off phoen-. Oh god how many did he have. He had a career. Total of nine interceptions of peyton. Manning wants favors the five of which are in the offs. Oh my god and how turf for touchdowns at least one remember. He made a few off a for touchdowns. Yeah i don't know so. He actually had to when he was on the chiefs and os six for that. That's right yeah law car game. Yeah getting old picked off twice in the playoffs again. Got twenty five patroness. Twenty-five career postseason interceptions five of them. How many of them are patriots. I wonder just in general because obviously got another one with harrison. Greg said some of those that she's can statement that's true too. Yep still great. He picked off both the cohen. Vp's this year because he got mcnair in the regular season and so you four picks against the to mvp's in one season when bella check was asked about him. We said yeah. I mean a guy that has that has of rule named after is probably pretty good like a result of this game. This specific game. Yeah bill polian thought that Tyler is getting old to hansie with his with his babies and decided to institute a rural that you couldn't do that anymore because those five yards contact. Stay right just not allowed anymore. Yeah this is awesome quote from bill. Check yeah and also like about how. He's just like a cool dude. I watch a bunch of interviews. And he's just like god he's funny. He's he's a cocky but not not a dick about eva cocky. He's not wide just like. Yeah yeah yeah he. He sold brady his first home before. Brady was the starter. Yup because they both michigan boys role he brady moved here. He sold them a home and he was like yeah. I probably took like one hundred thousand dollars bath on. It gave it to them furnished. But he's he's michigan boy. We're going to do. that's awesome. Yeah he told a good story to about after the The snowball last year against the raiders. Season is good by charles woodson and him in charlie's like meet up after every game. They play each other and he said he went looking for them by the bus when After that game and there wasn't there already in the bus tile wet and into the raiders vase after snowballs like what's up buddy and he was like nah. I enter about that shit years because you got to. He's like ran my ass off that plus it's yeah i think brian moore. You had on the podcast awhile ago. The guy from the page hall of fame right. He does his patch from the past. Podcast and i think they had tyler on there as well and it was. It was really going to be told that story on it. Yes fantastic yeah. He's just a legend. Just a cool guy played with so much swag like debts would like jumps out at me. Izaac loses confidence of lies plan. And that's why. I think my favorite players like every part of the game to like. He wasn't afraid he could tackle with the best of them he can cover with. The best of them is instincts never seemed to fail him like he never seems to make a wrong decision. And he's just the way he played is to dry anger. Biggest moments like this game is a huge game. He divest core values three pigs the super bowl years a pick six every time. You need a lot Play made a play big lake dope like. Yeah yeah it's like the. Tom brady gene right. Tom brady that same thing. As when you need to play you can trust. Brady always exceed your expectations. Rather like led me down at a big moment. Tyler wasn't always like that for me too. I agree to nickname. T. lisi i saw like zoom thing like it is their name on there before you log on just said t lisi laws. Yeah tilles lisi boy. All right we'll see best and worst been gone for quite a while here. Steve you wanna go first. Yeah shogo negative since or do what you want issues house. You do what you want your by commentator said earlier oh yeah you on this crusade about phil simms sexually harassing army contain. Yes he does it again in this game. I don't know if you caught it. just it kickoff. Yeah he said. I think those coaches got armand a little fired up and like in a vacuum doesn't sound that creepy. But he says it like after the kickoff thirty happening and you're like near jackson read at the end and does all the defeat things you've been talking about. What do you mean fired up. I noticed one to another. I think it was that one. I can't remember the exact wording. But i remember thinking like the way he said it was so suggestive. Yes and then. Army like didn't respond to it was like god. This is a weird and sitting there thinking about that you just like who in it probably sexual tension something it's nice and then my best was I don't know which of the coaches it was. That you saw on the sideline but One of the car coaches the steve. O'brien gave like alcohol and right after he like picks them up and they like celebrate on the side. He's like don't he must have thirteen. Maybe in this game brawl these young even younger. Yeah yeah probably yoga's age at a feature coach. That's right yeah. Now he's coaching watch. This is the defensive playcaller. Fantastic greg do you even want to best and worst. I feel re bass. I wonder what third best was. Thailand's second interception. Overthrow that he scooped. Second best was his first interception. The one handed one where he's coming back towards zone autozone and my best was his third interception. That's been around boop rate and his thing game sealer and was your worst. Not knowing how to find the eugene wilson hits doesn't exist it doesn't exist does on the website multiple times the website. Yeah yeah but up to that point. It's true well that's why we're here. We're providing service. Actually we are doing the whole world the favor here. All right now is five background for eight. That's why i knew that play exists is the second hit where he's like russian in. That was my background on my computer for a long time. That's a really stable gossip. Hell you are my best Was charlie voices halftime show because armagan was given permission to sit in on the like the halftime. Which is the patriots halftime locker room. Which is what made the comment. Later creepy to does like bit. But apparently charlie weis at halftime. Said we have to give them no reason for hope on offense which didn't work offense but on defense it absolutely did that fell and kind of like went back to all the things we were saying like they just like step on their neck and charlie weis recognize the but we have to give them knowing reason for hope is such a they were. The defensive players are so hot and bothered on the sideline because he said that in the locker room they had the chance to throw the interception pick inside the red zone. And you turn that reception in the end zone. Like you can't give him any hope. They're giving them hope. Now tom brady's attempting to fumble it on the naked bootleg would have given him hope they did for a second until the clegg overturned. Yeah yeah this game legitimated in a blowout. I agree and my worst was dwight freely. Who yeah. I read that you heard his name when they were announcing the rosters and not again. Yeah compared to like in the last game where they played got to be a and he was running past people in and they were talking about. How even before the game they he was. Dwight franey was already frustrated. Because he i think he knew. What kind of games are going to be. Because like you said it's gonna be on the slobby field brady where the ball really quickly. She's like. I don't have a chance like you can't get to a quarterback like that and we're going to run the ball you and make you play in. Yeah exactly what he doesn't want to do. And then lastly. I'm gonna put this in the show notes but i don't know if either of you caught this but the comedies actually made a. They made a comment about it because they when they cut to the fans it was like coming back from combat from commercials on like that and they showed this one dude and they colorado like. Oh you should wear that but this is the picture guys. How do we call this. It's supposed to look like a bearskin skin or something on your head but it looks like this guy who's like skinned. His own dog is wearing that. Like the the look on this face of this animal that he's wearing where it looks like his dog is just like he's holding his dog. A backpack could actually be his dog. Yeah he's like. I don to keep me warm. Get on my back. Put your head on top of my head with that whole face. Everything with the ears with all of it. It's just dog. it's just perfect. New england for this game with the with the shitty weather. And it's like you know i think it's gonna suck. I'm gonna wear the dog out like you can't wear that on public. You might even get on tv and then like this dude on tv and the comedy that he talked about what he's wears. All you poor bassett love it. Did you spot the clouds corner. Banner in yes. I saw what. Let's david by clouds. Yeah i thought. I love the banner to him but come on. Let's get a little more creative with that with that name. Know i'll nine something. Yeah clouds corner. Let's get cloud as would have been mine. Obviously yeah we know all right you get off. My cloud As chris berman. he's a guy though. Right that's why they liked him because he didn't do anything that's year two games where he ran for each game. I thought he looked really good. Always getting cloudy with that's it for For the two thousand three of c. Championship game against the indianapolis colts. Or what's left of after this be done so next week. The patriots will return to the super bowl for the second time under bill bell jack in three years the makings of a dynasty according to phil simms sell. We will see what happens. Then gone where we'd traveling next week. The browns are taking this podcast to the super bowl. Steve there we are heading to reliant stadium gregory houston houston houston sex right. The last time we were in houston The patriots were getting a little bit. Manhandle by the upstart texans. Were not speaking again manhandled. Houston how. 'bout that the shawn watson stuff around harry nolte all right. So we've muda greg very naughty very naughty very very naughty now literally muted you. We can't hear what you're saying is nice. That's say got having fucking finger. Quick on me she had no shit God damn it all right well on that note I have some editing to do and While i do that we will see you later.

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2002 Week 7: Bye Week

Patriots Dynasty Podcast

1:27:11 hr | 1 year ago

2002 Week 7: Bye Week

"This is Christine Brown and while I have to listen to this podcast as my mother Judy you have the choice not to my son's sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny but really just being stupid you still want to listen go right ahead I am not your. Back to the tape and dicey talk cast week seven, which we are recording after week eight because that's how we roll but you'll hear it in order. So if say something that you. Don't hear until next week Blend Greg. We're also recording twenty years after week eight so. I don't think it really matters. Muscle non-sporty. Maybe Steve. That's okay. Yes So this is the Patriots by week. It's week seven of the two thousand and two seasons. So like we did last season where during our low by episode when do a deep dive into the pats jets rivalries you can call it that. Hasn't before we got a special guest on with us today I like to welcome everybody. Welcome. Three of the listeners. would like to introduce everybody who are from Tucker Boynton from. From all sorts of things but most recently, the stats over storylines podcast, you don't talk. Good her is on absolutely. So. Usually, the only guess we've had on have been non Patriot fans weirdly for Patriots Dynasty podcast. Kind Nice to have a Boston sports fan on for once SARS kind of want to get started. Did you. Get to the point in your. Sports fandom Patriots fandom that you're doing podcasts of games that happened back in two thousand. Well. I have been on I've actually been on twitter about. Probably, will be two years coming up on two years. I haven't been on twitter that long but. I started doing stats on twitter for Boston Sports, not just the Patriots. But as you mentioned Boston Sports Fan and I wanted to find a way to sort of communicate my phantom away that I thought was unique and would. Be Valuable beyond just sort of opinion and so that's got into sort of the numbers game doing all that fun stuff but Yeah. That's really my passion is the statistic side of things telling numbers with stories. Telling stories numbers. and yeah, I mean you guys reached out to me in I'm more than willing to honored that you want to the you know how to discuss all these. Games from early Patriot's history, which obviously, it's fun to look back on at this point in the quote unquote. Given. There's a lot of time for a retrospection so. Yeah a lot of time of sports right now we kind of started this right before all this happening. There's no actual sports to be watching right now. So why not watch? Patriots. Dolphins in two thousand and two boys. They loss. You Watch the game. Other that's true. Pride to perjure from memory is so bad. I would also like to point out to my other brothers. That is not just me. WHO MAKES? NERD. Ship and Patriots in Sports. There are at least two of us. Got To say though I've listened to the podcast is pretty good because. The one thing that's always driven me crazy about especially like Boston. Sports Talk Radio is it's the exact opposite, right? It's storylines over sports where it's just like here felber Mas- get like one thing one bee in their bonnet and they just like drive the into the ground all day and you're just like come on man like, can we look at this different aspect? So I I really appreciate this kind of a unique perspective on stuff. I'm glad that was actually like a frustration of ours with John Germain who runs Boston sports in. Who's been on twitter whole lot longer than I have but. That was a joint frustration of our. There's so much opinion end focus on. What what do you think what you think? Would you think? Right, now it's it's really cool time in in sports journalism where there is this growing growing sort of. presence. Of Journal addicts in. Like. Data backed commentary that hasn't been there forever. Will you like five, thirty eight in the PF APPS and the? All the all these. Even. The athletic is adding data scientists. In sort of in-depth luck as opposed to the typical sort of the old sports media is like beat writers going and sitting in these stuffy room and eating crappy food. So they can name and that that seems to be sort of going out of style into in favor because maybe because the viewing experience is just as good at home as it is to read in the paper. Not that aspect is no longer necessary and so as you go deeper and try to. I guess create commentary as a member of the media that's interesting and compelling. People have been forced to look for other avenues besides just the opinion making yeah and I think. at least growing up, we would use the newspaper because there wasn't any. Any other way to get there was no Internet you couldn't watch highlights. Like. Endings. You missed the game you missed the game you know and you had to read about it. So that was much more I think. Invaluable released to us. Growing. Up. Like getting the Boston Globe out and reading the sports section the day after or the day before with all the like the matchup page and all that Shit. Yeah I think you're right that. That feels like there's an oversaturation of that. Now, where everybody is trying to to post their opinions of what just happened or what's about to happen or You know like the mock drafts will start now for next year. So things like well, it comes with the accessibility of the Internet. Right let the of these social media channels like twitter where everybody's voices amplified come cobos part exactly. The same right nobody's given a platform above anybody else right and so. Even with podcasting. It's really there's no shortage of opportunity for people to come in and make their opinions heard, which is great for a Lotta people, but it also over Satcher. Evil, and sort of. How much they can take I think people of a certain bandwidth for Like content and especially. When that content is opinion I think. I have a test case for you because I have a theory that you can find a statistic to prove anything. and. Greg. Here's Steve. The one who knows numbers the least? Do you mean you as in like one can find statistics. Yeah. I WanNa see if there's a to statistics to support Greg's hottest take of all time. All right I don't remember this is bills go Aaron Glenn should be in the hall of fame no no that Mike take it doesn't involve an errand though her oh yeah. That was my worst of all. Their injured those fire take these said at some point and you can put the date on this. You thought Aaron. Hernandez was going to be better than Crock. I was so positive about it too. I don't I. Don't think that's off base. Could you get like a avid a yards per attempt like created by a wiggles left side of the receiver hiving I think actually at the beginning of the GROG Fernandez two tight end sets like in two, thousand, ten, two, thousand eleven that Aaron. Hernandez is arguably better receiver than Ronaldo's wrong is was more complete player from the beginning. But. Yeah. Jesus Aaron Hernandez was. More of a danger with the ball in his hands. LINEAPP in the backfield taken handoffs and stuff just so he could get on the ball. And to be fair Gronk never never looked apart even when he was putting of crazy numbers, he was like alligator arm catching everything like doesn't make sense visually, but it works. So that's been my whole style of. Quote Unquote athleticism throughout the years. Is. Awkward yet. Bucket is awkward. It's awkward. Right well, Tucker, how much do you hate twitter? If. You're two years in you're looking at the worst two years of twitter. Twitter a lot. I. I learned pretty on the. The lack of redeeming qualities and the fact that if you engage with anyone about anything. It's probably not. GonNa end well and. So I just try to keep my like hands clean and not mess with anybody because. I do get a good amount of blowback on some posts that I make From. Opposing fans and that sort of thing people who disagree. And with numbers. while. That's my point. But who? Actually, Yeah I. Well whatever but. They'll they'll take they'll extrapolate something on and A. Be Upset and I but I, I don't really venture into the model to spar anybody I like to keep it keep it clean but that's just my style so. Good. So do you have. Any patriots related stats that are your favorites that you've come across. That's a tough question Let me the rest of your favorite stats. I got a good one I heard the other day aren't talking about Mahomes contract they just got. Out Years. Could be a farmer of five hundred, million right ballboy half a billion no big deal. Yeah and someone was like, yeah. So. Like picture this mahomes like lit plays out the light. The life of the contract wins two more super bowls wins MVP to throw it in there is pro bowl like eight times. And then he's made it halfway through Brady's career. And he's gotTa do it again I saw was If mahomes finishes out this contract going sixteen sixteen in every year. Of the the next twelve years of it He would still be like thirty games behind thirty I posted that one. Thousand. Three. Hundred Eighty. But yes, plug indie whenever was alright my favorite my favorite patriots related stat I guess off the top my head right now. I would say is the fact that Brady Targeting Gronk he has more in the inside the twenty five yard line. He. Has More touchdowns than he does in. Seventy one incompletions, which is not. I sent this one you guys are Patriots four hundred, twenty, three straight starts by homegrown quarterbacks is nearly double the next closest and see Roy era. That's ridiculous. WHO's the last person to start? That wasn't homegrown. Someone like the seventy I believe it was. Say That again Scott sequels never heard of him back in the nineties. It was I think. I'm ability to I think like when Zolak was was at. That era anyway. Yeah, I remember him from unnecessary roughness video games. He was ninety five, an essay episode five, it's we used to play. One of them yeah we played ninety, three, ninety five. G's. So my favorite stat that I had. In my pocket that Brady has now ruined by going to. The buccaneers a selfish. Well. You're about to hear how selfish it is. Ruined my my career as a stack I. The buccaneers, their total wind count since their inception nineteen, seventy, six was two, hundred and seventy, six games. Tom Brady total wine count since two thousand when he started was two, hundred, forty, nine, we theoretically in two years if the bucks had been bad and he had been good could have caught them if you played anywhere except Tampa. Now that'll. Yeah an anywhere else. Literally. How do you? How do you feel about that? I season. I mean like. I'm a sports fan and I like. Feel the things hard. But I never was like super disappointed that Brady left like really maybe that's because i. just saw as like a an inevitable thing into the season ended. But I don't begrudge him for going elsewhere and I don't begrudge the Patriots for moving on like I think all things considered. It's a pretty amicable break up like. You Look at how? Things have ended for the other like all time greats and when the wanted to move on from them. Like. It's been ugly for pretty much everyone. In this has I don't think is as ugly as the Boston media would like you to believe because it's fun to believe that. Yeah there's nothing else to talk about. And I think like. The Boston media was a large reason why last season was miserable didn't have to be miserable. NYC. Like. Patriots had an historic defense and. I think a lot of people overlook that we talk on the stocks over storylines podcasts a lot about. How analysis that stops at Lake did he she day the team win a ring or not? So, shallow. And like the nineteen eighty, six bears defense was actually better than the eighty five bears defense. Yeah. Just, for example, or the seventy seventy one bruins were probably better than the sixty nine, seventy bruins who on the COB. But. Like we all have such a shallow short term memory and it's like a pass fail situation. I goes back to the things I, say about Wes Welker and like him being all time receiver but nobody remembers anything but the drop in the super bowl or the lead drop like wasn't even a drop like who cares. Drop. guardless. I guess to get back to the point. Yeah, I, think I think. It's easy to get. Caught up in all of the stories but. The numbers last year were still impressive. The offense was great but. I wasn't so down that he moved on it. I think it's Kinda funny that he went to the box the box but multi again it's it's all part of this sort of life cycle of players in the league and things turning over in the pendulum swinging the other way. So feels like he's slumming it to me. TAMPA LUMBINI TAP. Of all. Places. and. Yeah. That uniform. I don't know it just. It doesn't. You know like the Patriots one feels like classic. The packers, you'd be like a classic uniform, but that just looks like something they. Like Oregon, where you know Those cool in the ninetieth, right. So funny story about the Welker thing I was in college for that Super, Bowl and. I got wicked wicked drunk watching allegation y'all. And like. I I woke up the next morning Kelly. My wife was like when we were going to bed, you were just like lying in bed going why did Welker draw? I. was like. I just like I don't know I have a tough time as as a stats and data guy. Like like small sample sizes. In whatever it is. Like just. Me In terms of like making an overall judgment about a player good or bad you know like. There's nobody like the peyton manning being a choker argument site. What are we doing I can? I think you you talk about like a couple of games a couple of throws and you look at the percentage of the career that makes up. Of course, it means more on it matters more but like. To to judge somebody based on something that represents half a percent of their career. Even if it was the biggest moment I mean the Welker Welker had what seven hundred receptions in a six year span and that was one drop wanting. So do the math that's one seventh of a percent about a of passes that he could have called and that doesn't can you name? That he had like al-Sabah Hegi. Can you even think of one other drop that Walker had? Yeah. Yeah. We were talking about this the other day that game where Brady threw like. Two incompletions in a game and one of them was a dropped by Welker. All that Robert Gases in his career. That's right. fucking bomb. Dropping Julie. Almost dropped it but then he's like wait a minute I'm not welker caught it before it hit the ground. Many, robbed it last year in the visual. I I don't know I I just in any sort of analysis like seems silly to debase off small sample it is a bit but that's how. The brain works though I don't know if it's like a sportsman thing or if it's just a human being thing where sure. But separating fandom from like honest malices like okay I'm not gonNA. Say You, can't, be upset about. That Old those like negative feelings as a fan. But as a from analysis perspective is like, okay. How do we judge welker career trying to remove yourself and like make an honest judgment you shouldn't have to look at one plans that ruined everything. Are there any? Stats, you think he gets too much credit for because it can go the other way as well because there's a lot of the focus on the negative, but I think bell check has A. Assumption of positive and affecting. Graying. hypic absolutely pure Bella checks. Greg does not. Seems like something that I'm late to. We've. Got Here's my theory. Here's my theory is that. The Bella check. Like he wins three super bowls in four years and like basically gives himself like a buffer of being able to screw things up. Right he's definitely a good coach but there's also a ton of really good coaches out there. That didn't get that immediate success that might like they fire coaches within two years if you're not making the playoffs, right? So I'm saying bell check hit right and you WANNA YOU WANNA Super Bowl in two thousand and four, and then three years later you only went sixteen. Tucker I'm kicking you off the podcast. We gotta a new stat check Guy Greg. Bugging replace. No I'm saying that you Bella check gets away with a lot of especially Boston media or Boston like fan of a decide imbalance check we trust when we don't really. We don't hold them to task for things that he screws up when he does definitely screw things. So what presented decisions? Would you say ballots take us up? On like. Well. How do you quantify that? Ms Stats Manon decisions like yeah, we'll tell. On issues like. Play call on the pathway Kevin Falk in the colts game was correct call. I'm thinking more like personnel decisions. I. Mean. That's kind of where I have beef with like I was I i. really didn't like the Jamie. Collins when they gave him away for a bag of balls. Has Been All the things. That defense, the bend, but don't break defense I. Think they could. I could have been a better team if they tried to get players that were aggressive or played in aggressive scheme. Now, it's more of like a that's such a hard thing to quantify though. And you can say generally, the Patriots are viewed as the salary cap managers or one of the best in their abused the drafters if not the best weaknesses in his game, the best drafters I don't know. Of, at. least middle of. Jerrisen well, that's true but we talked about before about how the Patriots draft differently because they have their own. System of what they're looking for and how to. How to value those players that they draft, which is why you see. Drafting. Raynham dudes in the second round this year. It's also about drafting above expectation. Picked value each pick has a value right? If you pick late every year, you're going to have fewer opportunities to hit on big name players. and. I've actually looked at this whole on trying to pull it up. But I'm glad we have another nerd on his park. That, too sometimes, you like I feel like the Patriots could have got that guy three rounds later like disappeared the pick. But why burn the second round pick on this? Deal. They don't ever have first round picks the pick and thirty two. Nine every year base Nobel like their first pick of the draft is on a D do own safety. I. Felt Like I. Don't know I. Don't Know Shit but every other NFL team is reading the same fucking except this was the first time the bell trek has been to the the senior bowl and the guy impressed there so. Back half of the second round exactly if you. Up Good you just you could get them later but how do you? How the draft works you don't know that. Let's approve all completely. and Bill we trust right and that's the that's the end of the argument always is doing and bill we trust which I don't buy that. Because I don't believe I don't agree with that. I think you can critically analyze our unit without being like bill we trust but. The the opposite argument could be made to that like people just want to say, Oh, no, you know you can cap patriots fans never criticize and do that just to call other people out. but yeah Greg here's. Here's one thing. Well first of all, from two, thousand, two, thousand, nineteen. The Patriots had drafted the second most like cumulative approximate value. So twenty years twenty twenty drafts their second to the Green Bay packers. Struggled in Rusen jobs for a COUPLA but then they're still. PICK WAITING TO PAN OUT TRUMP Enin if you adjust for expectation, you get a similar resolve basically where they over. overachieved relative to what the average team does in those spots. So there could be there's definitely criticism to be levied. Especially, in recent years, he hasn't great drafts in recent years y'all set a couple of picks taken away. I don't think he's infallible, but I also think like. The the idea that he's supposed to draft. Just like you know the jags draft because Jags had a top twelve pick every years like top five airing apples to oranges. You know what? I'm saying. And you can't debate the fact the extra draft capital they've created through trading. That's pretty undeniable. Compensatory picks feel. A work of decent people for picks you know. We had Gerard Mayo with was like we traded our I I next year fifth overall showed that created back and picked up Mayo intent on doing that sort of even all the way back to the Richard Seymour days where they traded him to the raiders for the first round pick two years later, which was when the. The slotted salary was going to be for that first round so they wouldn't have to pay them like Jamarcus. Russell money. Yeah just those sorts of things brandin cooks is a more recent example right? They trade I for him and then traded him again for another first of even earlier. Folks didn't pay him thousand and improve their address lot. All right guys well I'd love to stay in chat got to eat dinner but I appreciate guys having me on. I, love love talking about this stuff. So thanks for having me on them. Flattered that you wanted to have my opinion on this. Good luck talking about two, thousand and two. Question before you go wherever. One. More. Who's your favorite Patriot of all time? This is my favorite patriot of all time who I think is the best pitcher favorite favorite. Numbers thing just your favorite guy. A tough question stumping boys. I. Probably go wrong. Wrong. Destroy Brow to get Outta here. I I just love watching him play he so. Far. I probably goes wrong. I love players who have mind boggling numbers and GRUNK. It's outrageous. Actually end terms of NFL players. One of my favorite players of all time is Randy Moss, although a stint. Some of his numbers are incredible being thrown to by Dante culpepper. Who was an after him? It was some. Like Zoning Fuck? grabby. quarterbacks actually has like four different quarterback thrown. A thousand yard season two. That's right. Yeah, and then like Matt, Castle was like nine, seventy, three to. Eighty came after throwing like a twenty, twenty, eight yard slant and then. They. Brought Castle in. Didn't quite get through thousand but. anyways. Yeah. With Mas or Brady. Sorry Mosser or Gronk because I just love watching him play but We'll take it. Well thanks for having me on talk. podcasting okay. Checkout stats over storylines to get a chance check it out. It is a good listen. Yeah Yep? I like you co host so you guys got a good and. Before for. You into it's it's actually greg who's the youngest brother here? He's technology like. Like an old man. So I, ask one question before I go. Why why do you only have half your beer greg. Jack Red wine. That is a very good question. Well, we knew there was a stats guy coming on. So I wanted to do numbers based no zeros actually a it's an art exhibit about the duality of man that we all have some form of good and evil within US and today's age I think everything we're talking about twitter being black and white everybody has some form of which the good side. You told me. That's art. Effort. Way. Beholder. Good luck recording podcasts. Thanks for having me on I think. Man. Dan Greg that your answer that gets longer time I love. Yeah. I long way of saying I don't know. Because I'm an. It's funny. God. That's fucking hideous. I personally love it. I bet you'd be. Cared for Elliot at this weekend she's GonNa love it to. Make sure we get into the jets, Shit. Yeah. So On the jets. Yeah. So I kind of put together for you Steve Because I know that you have some feelings about the jets that you kind of. kind of let boil to the surface a little bit when we talk about them in game recaps. But. I wanted to explore the full unadulterated. What was the word? We use the other week enmity You're you're. On capped hatred unbridled. Yes. There you go. Of the jets. Of The New York football jets, well, I've. I've said it many times in this podcast about how much I hate Curtis Martin and how much of a backstabber he is wrecked? I'm here to officially retract that statement. Excuse me. Yes. I did a bunch of research on Curtis Martin and I am retracting that state Ben and issuing a new one in its place I hate bill parcells Steve Euro it takes a big man. And I tell you what I proud of you. Let me tell you what I found unlisted. Let's here. I have a quote from Curtis Martin. I wasn't the biggest football fan to begin with. But if I was going to play at play for what in my mind was the worst team ever. I look the jets as the bottom of the barrel who should start off. He hates the jets like I do. Like after he played for the jets. Read recapping his move to the to them in his seven years. The jets only suffer Guan losing ear. Actually made them. fucking. Good. Yup A. Monster. I mean, obviously, he's awesome right AC leading rusher as a rookie. I think it may have been A. Tucker. Stab. Remember. Saw Online today yesterday that was the Patriots. Leaders in rushing touchdowns and Curtis Martin was on that list. Believe it in top three years at the pats in three years with the past. Ridiculous, he won the NFL rushing title by one, yard. Damn what do you WanNa guess who he beat. Were Year what year? Year, but it's probably. Early two, thousand, two, thousand. Or maybe not how Ressam's. Jamal Lewis No. Harm on Green Seattle seahawks. January. One Yard all those. Same. They're all the same guy to me. Sean. Although I. Remember we were talking about Larry? Johnson. Yeah. Have you have you seen What is deal is now? No Oh he's. He's completely out to lunch now with the one defending deshaun Jackson. He's been he's been spouting his own stuff apparently like years. Yeah. But he's all about like you know I don't even want a sexist. He's Listening to Google it just not on your work computer from the Jewish Cabal taking on the world and All those deep state slayers yet deep St. George. Funny. After. We did our last episode on a jumping Martin bullying thing where you read all those texts greg yet that hasn't come out yet but cool. Hasn't come out yet. Definitely listen to that one that was pretty Louis. So the NFL created A. The Miami Dolphins I guess have five main committee developed a conduct code. They picked Curtis Martin for. Khalid. The commute after that. Yeah. Seems to make sense he was always a pretty. Crazy childhood. refound his grandma stat death by man who said, he needed the money to pay his phone bill. Founder with a knife in her? Chest? Usually kid. Is Dab left when he is like five. Smoking, punch, a crack cocaine. Aggregated, his dad. And then when he got that money from the jets, he's it to by his dad a condo and a car and found him on the street and took him to the new Condo and like put his dad through Rehab Wow. which was created and his dad like super abusive to his mom to like obviously loves his MOM and all at. His Hall of fame speech. Ridiculous. He like goes into this some ridiculously graphic detail like the abuse he saw his dad give to his mom what yeah, it's it's an insane offense speech. Tense. It says the guy had a gun to his head and trigger seven times in the bullet didn't come out. Like Terry Glenn Ship. We're over to on people we hate on this podcast. Yeah. Either of these guys I know. I kind of respect them. More than a normal player. Now, who is in the League and probably still has hit he created his own foundation, the job foundation that he funds himself. Over Because you want people telling them what to do with the money but San Thakin. That's been all right. Yeah. We're we're officially curtis Martin Bog Ath-. Yeah. It's really hard. So stand on my hate Curtis Martin so Fox and I still remember his first ever carry as New England patriot. When for like twenty yards, thirty yards on this I touch yet. Yeah. This guy special. I WANNA I wanna can we all go around here and formally apologize Occurs Smart? Called missy word on one, podcast. I called Him Judas and Yeah I. Honestly. Holidays. Yeah. Soccer and this little apology to Curtis Martin. Let's that'd be human. He has mistakes I have a quote here from. The dwelling of man. Beard. Told you. From. Chad Pennington. Talking about. He wonders that if the trade for Tim Tebow could be the thing that pushes Mark Sanchez to another level. So it's not like the man is like perfect in any means Oh this is Curtis Martin. Yeah. So we've got a great Georgia town that's fine. Be Right not a scout. No the Banos like all right. Why can't like I still bitter about the whole thing right? I'm not going to be at you have to you have to I I just want. To something else can redirect the anger I'm not GONNA go. That's human emotion. That's. Right come to terms with my anger. Bill, let's just redirected at somebody else I have the perfect and if you read it more into, it's clearly bill parcells fault Argh it to me. So speaking of which Every time we talk about bill parcells from here on out I just like to remind everybody that his name is actually dwayne Charles Parcels. Bill because there was another bill and everybody called him that may confuse them so just Fuck it was easier. So dwayne Charles parcells. Martin said if it wasn't for Dwayne, he would have gone so far as take a pay cut to think about that. That was right. He was willing to take a picture to say New England. Tom Brady. Tom Brady in Curtis Martin, in two, thousand, two, thousand, one, two, thousand, and three, thousand, four, two, thousand, five like would it have been the same? I think it would've been better. Yeah. I mean Anton Smith is not. He's I if anything he's like close to equivalent but I I don't think anyone would argue is better more talented than Curtis Martin Curtis. Martin. poising locker room using it was also yeah. It was Antwan Smith like at the end of his career to like how would you play two, thousand, one, thousand, two and that was it then Cordell and came in? that. Three or four. Thousand Seven. All this like shit that was going down late nineties early, two thousands. I mean I think that played into Bella check coming here though right I think craft. pissed off that they they did the poison pill contract for are right for Martin. Yup which is outlawed following year right and I think do WanNa touch on that real quick. Yeah. If anyone can you explain it Andy Yeah they tried to explain before it's it's like talk concept but yeah. So Basically The poison pill was a clause in the contract that stated Martin would become an unrestricted free agent after one year if the Patriots. Matched the offer. He was a restricted free agent, right? Yes. Oh the Patriots could match any offer that was given to Curtis Martin correct. But. If they did if they match this offer specifically. The contract stated that he will become an unrestricted free agent if they matched. But one year. So then you have to go through all this again and it's an unrestricted free agent. So. They're worried about losing and they took the one in three instead of just letting them walk right and they. Would've afford to pay a three point, three, million dollar roster bonus that would have. fucked their salary cap that you're to. That I so basically. They put an offer sheet in. Basically a structured a way with clauses in it that makes it like it's sabotages the Patriots. If they matched that offer only rights to keep restricted free agent. So it's very like underhanded and like legally stuff that can screw the team that's I have some. From Ahrq about it. Who? I says probably one problem I wonder it's got away from us. said, that's what I call. Borderline attorney. Ab chaser attorney kind of stuff. Thrown something where they took advantage is not intended. The deal is clever. Lawyer stuff is not in the spirit of the agreement was that loopholes plugged that's not how we do business is unfortunate. Probably should have found a way again beside before that we didn't. It's one of my many mistakes I. Miss Her two. That's That's rough and the the patients got a I in a third, which one of those was Robert Edwards. But I so then to our previous argument that kind of I think maybe that is why craft goes after ballot check right 'cause heeded some pretty underhanded stuff to get Bella check in New England he did a good point. Yeah. Maybe if Curtis Martin had stayed at bell check wouldn't come to New England right Yep that's we don't I kinda miss this you whenever you get mad about the jet Steve I'm Kinda like indifferent because they just like it hasn't really been a rivalry. Why sometime? Are. Pop. Quiz. When, was the last time the pages lots to the jets? Through. No it was not the playoffs now. I was eleven that they lost in the playoffs. Two Thousand Ten and two thousand eleven. Twenty. TWO YEARS BACK TO BACK ASHES Only played in the playoffs twice. Engineer. But the last regular season loss night who would the coach Todd Bowles maybe Remember bowls beaten beaten think of like a post Sanchis quarterback that would have been. I got nothing. Trying to figure out what I? Know saying I'm GonNa say twenty thirteen and that Gina Smith John Twenty fifteen it was a Ryan. Fitzpatrick of course. Despite Fizi but I don't think he's played for the jets but we Of course he has. Two, thousand fifteen. Twenty fifteen only fifteen. Game Win. Streak. That's awesome. Yup and before that was twenty, thirteen week seven in overtime. Three jet surges. There in shambles right now. Love it 'cause no recently, I've been close and their stadium socks sucked. It's just middle of nowhere like has no character is i. don't Know River where we were at the gave Greg, and we went to go you support a party of the tailgating and you can go and before me you come out and you're like, Oh Dude Gina Smith is in their early I was like what allocated? On the on the wall looking for Cox to suck. A? Very. Shadow to win the the Brown family was in. The Boston Globe off the. Gate a full page article in the Boston Globe were they got literally every piece of information correct yeah. It was hilarious. It was Just the whole experience made sense to it's like where were. tailgating outside the stadium where kind of close one of the reasons this dude just walks up like maybe fifteen minutes before we were about to go into the game and it was just like, Hey, guys from New England like. He asked us. Questions scribbles it down quickly Fox off, and then writes like full page Boston Globe and we're like to talk about male in it in. A study. Looking for Cox t suck. Picture of in everything. Definitely. Yeah. Whenever if can find that article? From. Wall. Still House let me know the date and I'll pull it up and we'll posted a into. The UP. But yeah. They like quoted our sister is having A. Fifty. Two of the British accident even though she was born here. Now now's mom. So yeah. So It hasn't been a rivalry for a long time since. Sixteen Bitch I miss a good rivalry, not average score of the past. They games his thirty to nine. Thirty to nine, thirty, tonight it's bad. But like this rivalry has gone on forever. and. There's actually a wikipedia page on. So I think at that point legit right. Sure I. I have to imagine the Red Sox Yankees one as well. They're right there. Linked to it in this page. and. So I was just kind of looking over this and there was some interesting things in there. But the reason I actually wanted to do this in the first place was. We actually got. Some listener feedback because we talked about Tom Tuba? Probably back in the end of last season the regular season like twenty seventeen where. Tom Tuba corral bad snap which helped the jets beat the raiders in the last game of the regular season I think which is why the raiders had to come to New England and the snow and it's happen Yada as we're like Oh. So Tom Troopers the reason for the page dynasty. Right. Brendan our. Guest apologize if I butchered that name but I probably have. I think it's from Chicago Ball. Places. Message saying that Tom duper. Is Russian but. If, he's GonNa, he's if he's commenting. He's listening to this. I don't know. He's got some. Some personal information about you greg. So you may want to look out. Where you live. Russians, Bro you got I gotta say this. This is probably the best feedback we've had from it is. Yeah. So he says Tom. Bad snap led to the pages dynasty as the jets were able to beat the raiders and give the path of pressure on by while statements. True. The just being the raiders helped the pats immensely is not Tom Tube is biggest contribution to the pages dynasty. Thanks Steve. Removed on. To pull up the pats ahead of the nineteen, ninety nine season signed the largest punter contract in NFL history with the jets the signing led to the pats acquiring the one ninety, nine pick in two thousand draft as a compaq that pick of course was. Tom Brady. Edward Brady. Junior. Exactly. Interestingly enough. To was BELL CHECKS IN CLEVELAND. Before Jack Brand New England in one thousand, hundred six no shit. I know that he was actually the first ever player in the NFL to score point conversion. Did, they implemented it that year and he was the first one. They did like a holder for the point after an ranted. On a fake. Punter reasonable to think the bell check who was with the jets ninety nine and basically signs Stupa was major force behind to beginning side therefore getting that traffic brady. So I did a little bit of digging and. This is. Basically on point. The. Only wrinkles at the competences Tori picks. The complex that you get. Like formula, well, obligate compensatory selection. And that wasn't where my brain was and it's like you say you compensations he bring. Once you go. Come sit. The cost they're not one to one. So basically, in ninety nine pages lost linebacker Todd Collins Tom to. Defensive Tackle Mark Wheeler. And Offensive Lineman. Dave Warsaw I've heard that name all off. Ever. So as a result, there were awarded four picks, one, twenty, seven, one, nine, nine, nine to one and. Say It's, taunting. Men saying talked to one to one but he's in there and I think this has the legs. So Tom. Tuba. Again for the second time in his career has. Started the Patriots honesty. responded. The pod Dude I'd love to pick his brain and I. Think it's so hilarious that he won. The punt pass and throw. Just makes it makes much sense. Right. Like he's, he's one of the more unique players. In modern football right to be able to play quarterback and Punter probably kick field goals to. and. You go back to like. That's a Gino Cappelletti thing you know. Whereas these guys playing like every position, but he's probably. That's definitely a dying breed right with. The last rubbing. So specialized nowadays can you name somebody? Else. Who's done multiple positions. The only time it happens now is if you're like a, we have a really good like. Kick returner we want to try and get them involved in the passing game because he saw. Doesn't really happen where like they come in as a position player, right? Exactly. Yeah. And it's not like they're playing offense. To I wonder if you've ever kicked any field goals when surprise me Know, we gotta get on Pot I'd love to. Anybody knows how to get Ahold Tom Tuba. Let us now as we will. Definitely. Wishes scout the punt pass and kick competition. BERRIES THERE Was your favorite jets game that you've ever seen he's H it's jets game. Above Now it's pretty good. I mean Thanksgiving thanksgiving national. Already, pretty good buzz going on. Yeah Yard eaten and. that. Was One of two times. The Patriots. Scored twenty one points in one minute of game clock on the other line. Let me let me get me get game the snow. It was A. No might be tough. I. Got Nothing I'm thinking of Miami but I don't think that's right. It was twenty eighteen. Against the Chicago bears. Game. Twenty. Team now in Chicago. Fourteen excuse me I'll talk. Scott. That drunk. I believe I want to say when you hear a funny story from that game. Horse. I. Was like of the opinion that I'd Never worked up the balls to do it. But if you wait until game day A to buy tickets to games like the prices would typically plummet. So I was like I flew to Chicago. Just buy tickets on Game Day, because they're going to go down and then like Game Day comes on monitoring of monitoring and they just start going through the roof. They went. Like. Hundred seventy five bucks to like the cheapest one was like. Eight dollars and I'm like I just flew to Chicago to by. Walking, trying to scalp him and the the game Larry Kicks Off I don't have a ticket at Mike I'm lying in the grass outside the stadium, just like fresh refresh refresh, and then one ticket came through for like I still probably twice as much as if I was going to if I bought like a week prior but. God something like I wouldn't like kill myself for buying. I missed like most of the first quarter I walked in as a what's his name was returning that kickoff for a touchdown? Oh, patterns had Patterson I. Walked in I. First Glimpse at the field is him running down the field going to touch? points. Of the debts to the peak of the mountain it was great. That at the titans game to. Will usually works you know? I think it's just like it was a it was an NFC game away tons of Pats fans there and I think that's what had typically if you way 'cause I before that I, checked tickets like after I bought him just to see what was going on. They'd like. Drop through the floor, right Now two, thousand, fourteen game. It is new England Seventeen Chicago seven with a minute fifty, five left in the half. And the Patriots score to your touchdown Gronk. Like on the next play. and. Then it looks like. The bears go three and out four thirteen punts and element returns. It's like well inside. Like busy pump from their own endzone. Element it turns into the twenty the to twenty. Agents touchdown a couple plays later. Now. Thirty one. Seven. And then who is still one minute seven seconds left Zach Morris playing quarterback. and. You get stripped SAC which nigger vicennium returned for a touchdown for the third touchdown in under a minute. Though went from going. It went from going from seventy seven. Going into the half. To. Thirty, eight seven and that was logging the Patriots Rap Fifty, one, twenty, three. We will get eventually was the when Brady shook her lacquer that same game. No, that's that way early. Okay. A different game in mind I'M NOT GONNA say it's better than but fumbled, but it's very to me close one. and has a similar. Just like. Quick phrase like that that everyone's going to remember it forever by. Is the seeing ghosts one from this past year. Time it was Monday night or Sunday night football. And boat alone. It's just like I haven't seen a defense that someone longtime he was. Awful. It was like third quarter and you're like why they even put them out there. This is doing more harm than good. Give they were like. Is this going to stunt? As a player. Yeah. I love that game but I can't think of any like really competitive. Good. Games, right. I think in the REX Ryanair, there was some good ones. When they had their good defense. Yeah, and that defense would give Brady problem. But I do remember that like the Thanksgiving Day one I was like why it's sweet patriots are playing on Thanksgiving but like I don't WanNa be like usually just want to be lazy and like those in Inada. Games and it's like. Is it gonNA sock having to like. Be Worried about the Patriots winning this game, and then it was like immediately over. I remember as well as BECCA party mode. I can fall asleep of I. Want I know that the outcome and? That's exactly what he wanted for Thanksgiving Day game, but you just couldn't fall asleep because then you'd miss another touchdown felt yeah, I. Fumble and you're like this is. On. The three touchdowns in the minute were. It was a wheel route to. Shane Vereen Shamed Marine Corps just took it as long as nobody covered him. Yeah basic. Fumble and then on the ensuing kickoff. Kick returner fumbled. Caught it on the run just ran in for the. Awesome watching as a past fan but imagine being jets Fan Watch. And you're like Oh man I hope this doesn't go poorly on Thanksgiving because I love this holiday and then not only does go poorly but it's like the most embarrassing game in franchise history. Fell history like another embarrassing play NFL. Fumble, didn't win. But that's just poor execution. The Butt fumble is just hilarious. BUFFUM will one. Sportscenter award in like the. Like the not not top ten play of the week. For, like like they basically had to retire because nothing else could beat it and it wanted for like months in a row every day. That's that's how colts fake punt in the same thing feel. But I agree the butt fumble. Is more unintentionally hilarious, right. He literally ran to the back of his own guy informal the ball because of it. Knocked out cold. He's asleep before you hit the ground. And it's a shame because like they have a good fan base and feel like New Yorkers and department at. Well. Maybe I'm thinking from the perspective of like, would it be fun to talk shit to each other? You know I feel like a good show talkers. Yeah. Yeah. Like panthers fans it's not not. It's it's not even worth it because. It's like philly phase like they'll be able to give us. Yeah, exactly. And like the Knicks suck to and I guess the Rangers are okay but there's never For New York, having like so much money and power and influence, and like world politics them their teams to be just so God, awful for moving. Yeah. Trick US and they have to like each sport in there to nixed the nets, the injures the islanders. The jets, the giants, and they're just all pets and Yankee the Yankees. As. Much as a he. That is good for baseball like I prefer the Yankees to be competitive than not. That's fair but it also warms my heart that. All the Boston sports teams are basically in our upbringing have one. Usually. At the expense of and it's it's just ridiculous in like historic ways often like the jets. The way that we beat the jets? Giants obviously have. Some claim. But like the Yankees losing being up three three Games synon- non nail. That might be my favorite Non Championship playoff More so than beating the Ravens. Back and forth game I think give us the circumstances of where the Red Sox were at that point in time where we're the curse of the Bambino. Who is your Daddy Aaron fucking? Boon. To go down three hundred and then they remember they went to fenway just beat the ever loving shit of. Yeah Yeah At least for the Red Sox to come back and win those four games is just. It's just so improbable. And against the team net like you'd want it to happen against. That is just too many colliding like amazing things that happened. That no doubt. I. Will I WanNa Shout Out Mick Brown our dad who is by the biggest socks fan of our family. MOM's a pats fan but is the socks fan and he actually called it. Seems like what better way? To break was ninety, seven year streak. Of losing not winning the world series, then come back from three Oh down to the New York fucking Yankees and he said that. The day before game four. Just a bunch of idiots you know. Cowboy out new a dumb enough to do it shadow car. Yeah Steve's friend GYM CLASS OF JEFF CAR. Yeah and like every day we come back to gym class and be like you're GonNa do this are they going to? Do, this. And I remember looking forward to talk and Red Sox Jeff, car every day of that series of. He loves socks loves the socks is probably the biggest red sox fan no. Yeah, he's up there. He's actually a huge Celtics guy too. Yeah, and a forty niners fan. What I? Will love meant. To ask Tucker if. Why he doesn't do any stats on the revolution. My other, my other just. Ask? Them Is He went to Harvard and what does how many times does he average per day bringing that up to friends and family? Show Tucker Tucker if you're listening. Via Twitter. Which? I got a piece ought to. All right. I don't want to. Hang on here Andy. Yes. Keep chatting bud. Because we haven't even we haven't even touched on some of this stuff because there has been. Shit overlap. Between the passengers and I think that's what makes this dynasty especially in the. By. Steve. Steve, I believe we love you. Good. Bye. Bye Steve, guys have a warrior gone tonight I don't care like. Bachelor Party. Getting married on Saturday he they can't say he's doing this in quotations by the way. This is an audio medium. So keep doing those air quotes, right? And showing pictures up on the. This is why I'm leaving because you guys are just abusive to me. Maybe here. Nicer. I would tell my friend to go fuck himself but. I go hang out with him instead. He does that make sense I love you Steve Harvey to. Andy. All Steve. You trick me that's why. You. Greg. Schick. Me Like that. and then there were two they were to drop like flies. Watching, Jeff. Coaches. All the fuck off every year you got some notes on jets coaches wonder why so? Actually, baroness surprising amount of overlap can guess how many there were since. In. Check timeframe. Let's can you tell me how many there were and I'll see if I can name them one, two, three this technically like four big ones. Okay. Not counting like assistant coaches and shit like that. But head coaches. Yeah. Rex. Ryan Todd. Bowles. Oh. You're talking about a I'm talking about coach played both. I was going to say how many coaches have they had since we got Bella check. one, two, three, four, five, six. Okay. So back this far is What's his name at Arizona stay right now? Herm. Herm Edwards. John McCain. That this season I. Think we since I think it's a one Oh maybe we last season. Last season was also What's name on a colts playoffs? Oh yeah, but who was he used coaching the culture yeah. peyton manning throwing. It's like three game. Playoff. Game. Yard. Marchibroda but that's not it. Everybody listening is yelling into their. into their radio like it's this buck astle. Come on checking Jim Mora. Rare. You go so. Mad We`re Played Ten ten games against the Patriots. Okay Todd Bowles on both. Here again, Breakfast Ryan Thirteen Games, against the Patriots. Three man genie seven games against the Patriots. To more WHO and we'll get one of these. I'll get one of the most recent. Currently coaching who currently coaching who coaches the jets. Is Not bowls anymore. Hasn't been. You gotta give them to me. Adam Gates. quarterback whisperer if you will for. Kids. At the beginning was Al Grow. Al Grow believe he was a replacement for ballot check. When Bella Chaffetz? Interesting and beat the Patriots Bowl Times in two thousand while I was close I. Mean That's actually less than I would I would have thought because I mean if I think if you do the same exercise for the bills or the dolphins you're looking at like ten plus coaches, probably I could give you their real quick. Let's see the dolphins in my Ami Dolphins. How many coaches do you think? Eight ten. Both? In one of them. Let's see in terms of games coached against Patriots Nine, seven, six couple guys were six one with instead. Wants Dad had Ni-. He was the the top guy I. Wonder if you can get the second, maybe feel like they just had so many generic. Yup Gases there's a couple guys who did both can't todd bowles also a, he's a head coach the dolphins I'm sure for one game. The Patriots how twenty spur. Was Long Tenure got. Gays and Joe Philbin most coach six games against the pats. You've got Nick Sabin. Remember that. Nick Xaviera. Oh Yeah Yeah just briefly. And then let's see such as he gets a pass for that for like one. Love so much but he. Again. He's the guy that's like built a culture that Kinda like operates on its own the prestige of Alabama right. Functions more than like I think is coaching Ackerman. and. Then Jim Bates for one game that may have been an interim thing Dan Campbell Cam Cameron and now Brian Flora's all the buffalo three, four, five, seven, eight, nine, not dolphins. McGinty real quick. Chan Gailey Dick Gironde Doug Marrone Greg Williams Mike Malarkey Perry fell fuel. Rex. Ryan Shami Darmon and Wade Phillips. Lot of defensive mining guys there I feel like the most fit the culture you know you, you got a slowdown, the Patriots I think is what it is. Always people talking about how the AFC east hasn't had a good quarterback is because they always bring in defensive-minded coaches I think. because. The Tom Brady led pages. Offense has been such a wagon for so long step one is to, but can you name the four coaches that have coached on both teams? They weren't all head coaches three of them career. Wise. You're talking about for both the Patriots and the jets. parcells man genie ballot check he says is a four more. Yeah. It's not. It's not be Carol. It is Pete Carroll New, York jets coach, Ninety Artisanal head coach. Yeah. The four. But that. And the Patriots would win was here for three years between parcels and ballot check. A win one less game every season as he coached the pats. So, took them from playoff contender to eight, of course threes. Lot of stuff around bill parcells which I think. Maybe it's all whole separate thing The other thing is players. We've already talked about Carter's Martin. and Tom Tuba but there's been some like huge fucking names. That have either gone from the past of the jets or. One of them is your boy. Tyler. I wondered. Now, that I have you on jobs you how do you feel about Tyler off finishing? Well, not phasing but Ending up on the jets and playing for a hated rival. To me, the jets aren't even the biggest rival anymore. Trope by the time, it's high law. It was still like borderline. For me like the the dynasty, the peyton manning's bend the rival. That's the one guy where you're like I'm scared of them. I love to beat him every year you know like He. But he could beat US every year. So those like even the colts even the Denver Days Yoyo he was to me the. The guy had to be in the AFC. Him going to and it was more like a personal thing than a team they I don't I don't know if I necessarily. Dislike, the colts but I was like if the Patriots don't win I don't want manning to. That's exactly. I think that's how you like quantify if they're a rival or not as actively root against those players. I think that's why Oh, six was so bad because it felt like the ABC James Game between the Colts and Patriots was the Super Bowl because whoever's GonNa win that was going to beat the bears and small. And soon, as you lost the colts you like, fuck, we just gave them a fucking Lombardi. And that felt even worse. And we had like. Kept Manning at bay until that point of vitamin D still hasn't won anything and you know. I breakthrough and they did it basically because of him in the second half because the pages got up big and then he claws way back. That was tough. But ty law went to the jets no five just for season. Had the most interceptions he's ever had in a season with. I. Remember he didn't play particularly. Remember he was kind of an up and down year. Was He? Fook Lauda exceptions made the pro bowl. Maybe that was just my brain trying to just. To. Ninety. Eight Years closely at nine interceptions. It's kind of a finicky staff for quarterbacks anyways true and they did two years in Kansas, city, another year and. The jets apparently finished in. Oh, nine with the broncos. Played seventy remember that at all. Again like one or two picks, right One interception. Yup. So but I think The thing that ease that for me. Was the fact that Durrell rebus. Has a super bowl. Ring. With New England patriots. The it's pretty hilarious. That's their Taiwan basically, right? Yeah. Yeah. and. The difference being that Tyler wants three here. Yes. Lent dare like a mediocre team and then read it's like could never get over the hump. Their comes here immediately wins the superbowl. And goes back. But then the jets pay him not ridiculous contract right which hamstring them because he didn't really play anything like the directory of that you've seen in the past and they're also terrible team didn't have anything around the build on your that that organizations dumpster fire some other big names that apply on both teams. Boy Brian. Cox. for the pats and then was linebacker coach for the jets and been play for both teams but. You. Kind of did and also our friend match Adam. Lind pages and then of eventually. Went and played for the jets under Brian Cox who was his linebacker coach? Oh. Some other names kind of went the other way and were instrumental to these early patients defenses, Roman Phifer. Anthony Pleasant and Victor Green who've seen victor. Greenlaw. This season actually. especially his. What eighty ninety yard interception return for a touchdown in the blow against the jets early, the season's the jets. Left the. PRI. Bad Terms Vinny testaverde another big name. Vinnie. and. Our Boy Danny Woodhead who? I kind of forgotten this story till you brought it up the other day. Were Danny woodhead was the darling of hard knocks. The jets were right. Everybody loves them. And then for whatever reason, the jets cut him. What happens then? I don't remember. Could you me Like that is perfect to yeah. It's like they knew what they had to 'cause. We watched it grew watch the coaches rave about him, and then you're like they caught him why don't they cut them? Like everyone loved this guy, the whole show and that was peak hard knocks too. 'cause like that was when they had Rex Ryan and the night they were getting their numbers for that hard knocks everybody knew Dang would at what's everybody? Brutal call by that organization Hollywood do is play fourteen games that season. Nice Russia's for five, hundred, forty, seven yards and five touchdowns. No big deal. And also thirty four catches and another touchdown. Play two more years of the New England's. Put Up let's see. Eleven hundred yards in those three years, ten touchdowns on the ground and another four touchdowns in the air. Like. He was an integral part of that. Onto the chargers do you know where he ended his career? UNC Sandiego right. then. For one year. You Played Baltimore. I don't remember that raw. Good for him. He's a good dude to he's a few podcast. Maybe. Maybe once we get to that, we'll see if we can the reach of the speaking of like controversial people getting cut and signed member when. Gina. Smith got punched in the face. Is On teeny. Brigands jaw. You broke his jaw. Six to ten weeks. Had to get surgery. Guy's name is I'm not gonNA PRONOUNCE IT Right But A. Backup, linebacker. Was the guy that did it. I'm guessing that linebacker didn't make the team though well so then he got cut right and then Rex Ryan signed him right for Buffalo. Oh. That's right and then had them go out there as like a cap. It is right. The jets 'cause. Todd Bowles. Jets. Era. Ball. I feel like somebody else did that. And it was over like Yoda I'm like forty bucks or something. Yeah. But I mean like use your quarterback is the leader in the locker room you at. Thank right. Like that's usually what you hear about as quarterbacks like at least the the good ones Tom Brady either the peyton manning's a-rod maybe not air address. But they're like the like the other. Guys in the locker and you can't imagine any of those guys get sucker punched in the face breaking their jaw. By anybody especially in your own theme. I always wondered if there was something more going on there, that's on wondering. Like if it was even if you're an athlete at that level, you know and you're like on the bubble. Yeah. You know that you're getting cut if you punch your starting quarterback and face especially bring his. Yeah. You even if you don't break his jaw cut right, oh? Yeah. So there's gotta be something that triggers you enough to go and do that. So I'm wondering if there's something they didn't tell us. It feels that way doesn't it It feels like was named the Celtics that was rumored to be sleeping with Lebron's mom DELAUNAY West one. Have you seen emily. Not, not in great shape, it seems no poor guy. He's got some. So in honor of having Tucker on staffer you. have. AFC East Division Championships. Since nineteen seventy to the current day. Noon patriots have twenty one. Thousand one words and also seventy eight, eighty, six, ninety, six, new. York jets how many times the New York jets won the ABC How many of the pets have you say twenty one? And there's so this thirty years unaccounted for. I mean Marino must have won a bunch of. Kim Kelly. Paul went to the yeah. So it's probably not that many I would say. Six. To two. Since the seventies. Nineteen, Ninety eight in two, thousand, and two. Good Lord. So that's bad. Yeah. So. Is that worse? THAN PRE two thousand four red sox where the red sox were good and they would win the. The. The earliest, and they would have these teams that you expect would make a deep run in the playoffs. And they were finishing ahead of the Yankees. All these times were still managing to find a way to fail. Or is it worse? They just don't even get there. And they're just a perennial. Laughingstock. I think mediocre to not get there I think. Being along for the journey. And just from a standpoint of like looking forward to games to watch right when you're teens blow, that's why when people say it's a fair weather fairweather fan I. Don't really buy that because it's like there's nothing at stake, right? Yep. Like if you if you're telling me, you want me to watch like. A A week sixteen game where the where it doesn't even matter when the team six. Nine and like. If Al Bell. Stick through him if they lose huge games and it's like heartbreaking losses chair. But for them to just be like non factors like the, that's not that's not the reason I watch sports I watch sports to watch games that. Matter. You know the best part is conversation as. We're talking hypotheticals because we don't know the answer. It's true. It's so true. Do we have I? Don't think we know any jets Benziri. I don't think we do bellow. Dividend asked them. We got some bills fans. Still fail to fill. Yeah, he's definitely have them on that one. All right. That is all I had on the Patriots. if you want more, there's like I said a wikipedia page on it gets the nitty gritty of like the early seventies and eighties, and even the bit of the like the the Bill Bell Bill parcells moved to the jets and how that went down kind of Shitty. Shitty met everybody knew going into that super bowl against the packers that he was basically on his way out he didn't fly home on the team jet after the game because he just went straight to New York. So. Yeah. I think that's all I have. Is there anything else you wanted to to add? Yeah I, have a relevant news story to take unless the Patrick mahomes deal. That was signed easy money crazy years correct. Do you think they will regret that eventually? Yeah. You'll have never seen a deal that big not. Come back to bite the team. I think you'll still be good. I don't know if you'll be half a billion dollars good. You know what I mean And like so much happens in less. Starts Drinking two gallons of water. Day. and. His hamstring shoulder muscles. Yeah. To me injuries like of biggest risk part of that thing to. Suffered from them already and I think, I've been saying all the way through this podcast is I love watching him but every time I do I worry that he's going to hurt. Kind of mobile guy who? Like, yeah he he's not like an rg three who like his game is is running the ball as well or even like a Cam Newton he moves around and buys enough time for himself that I think that it will eventually catch up to him. And I'm worried for that. Because I love watching plays most exciting player think in the League right now behind. Jackson. Yeah. So I held up right now the. The biggest NFL contracts currently. The top ten just run through and say, D think they regret it or not? Some homes. Matt Ryan. scully four more four more years. One hundred fifty, million dollar contracts. I think it's fine. I mean only he was worth the money they pay him at the time but I think he's he's Top. Half of the League as a quarterback. Okay. So that one's decided Khalil Mack. I think that will eventually come back to bite them. Spend. One player and Yvonne. Defensive Player Yup, Russell Wilson I think that. One's a home run. Yeah I. Think Regardless Yeah Andrew Luck. Jimmy, Garoppolo not probably not that pumped about it. I'm I'm trying to trade him. He took him to the Super Bowl. Oh I know but he's also part of the reason they didn't win the super bowl with stacked rest fair Aaron Donald. Well. Let's to these together Aaron Donald Jared Goff. Golf is a bus already. The Patients Gone Goff went from. The hall of Famer to bust all three years you did colonel, you went from hall of Famer to bust in one. Super Bowl. Pages one game. Yeah. That's all it took, and now he just hasn't been Samson Matt Stafford. And the night that one's okay, a gas. Turbine Aaron Rodgers I think is probably a positive so About how much is Rogers have left on his career on his? Contract though he signed a four year twenty eighteen. Or One, hundred thirty four, million only got two years left them. Yeah. So so so much can happen in ten years. It's like. Andrew Luck is retired. You had told me that like. Crazy. So. Here's. looking at that from a different perspective. Let's take a look at five, ten year deals in NFL history number. One is Brett Farve the packers. Worked out and you're hundred million dollars extension in March two thousand one. So. Yeah. That that busy worked out played out seven of his ten years in the contract before packers Delta Way. This one we know. Close to our hearts drew bledsoe ten, three, million signed March two, thousand one. That lasted. Not even a year forty months up signing contracts they decide to go brady, which meant dumping bledsoe after his one season new deal a quarterback was traded buffalo. Donovan, mcnabb. That the Eagles signed a twelve year hundred million dollar extension in two thousand present the deal given to Patrick Mahomes. In the first, I'm Andy Reid is given one of quarterbacks contract that ran for at least a decade. That is crazy 'cause thousand two, thousand right before they went to. Super? Bowl right two years. Because they went four and that was part of the that was when they were going to the NFC championship game every year. But could win they went like four years in a row. and. That fourth year is the one that they want. So I guess the time that made sense but. Yeah I guess mcnabb played eight of those twelve years. led. Fairly to six playoff appearances for NFC title game as Super Bowl. and. Then he got traded to the Redskins. This was not not quite as good. tenure hundred, two, million dollars extension in May of two, thousand, three, four culpepper on the Vikings the. Ads the, Randy Moss effect despite the fact is coming off two thousand, two season where he went six and ten liking still thought it was a good idea to give culpepper tenure deal. Some productive for the Vikings, I here's the deal. He never made the playoffs with them. Every signed it. And would only last three more seasons Minnesota before getting traded the Dolphins F two, thousand five. In culpeper was Miami's backup option after attempts at. To address breeze fell through. And so. The dolphins also got the and then the last one was Michael Vick. Falcon signed a ten year hundred, million dollar. DEAL IN TWO THOUSAND FOUR And then two, thousand six. And we all know it happens. Dining later convicted on federal dog fighting charges twenty one month prison sentence. and. That didn't work. So Brett farve worked out. mcnabb you could probably say worked out I mean none of these guys played their full con- It depends on what was the closest played on. Is Well mcnabb played eight of his twelve years. Far played some of his. Piece to Kinda of handcuffing your salary cap if you have someone committing forty million dollars a year to it. And I think it goes up from there. Yeah. It's a lot of and they I think he was probably Tucker. had some stat wear minerals even have somebody online. Hosted that Only two teams have won the Super Bowl with. Their quarterbacks taking up more than like eleven percent of their salary cap. And it was Steve Young with the forty niners and the first ever year of salary cap which kind of doesn't count because you could build up the roster before that. and. Tom. Brady. In whatever his last contract was Tony Twelve that that contract? And it was like eleven percent. And I think, Mahomes, is. Close to twenty. If this goes through. So These, guys for Jizzle. Exactly. The moneymaker of the Family Chazelle is the reason for the. Patriots Dynasty. So Giselle and Tom, Touba. Ivory. Who knows if he's taken those like budget deals? That's true. No idea. But now got Cam Newton taking budget deals. We'll see how that works up who's his wife I'm GonNa Messenger on. Missile DM's and be like baby you gotta get that paper. Jospin moneymaker this family Twenty twenty. Quality Baby. That's right. All right. That wraps up the by week episode we'll see all next week when the Patriots. 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2003 Super Bowl: Patriots vs Panthers

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2003 Super Bowl: Patriots vs Panthers

"Love this podcast. Support this show through the cast supporter feature. It's up to you how much you give. And there's no regular commitment. Just click the link in the show description to support now. This is christine brown. And while i have to listen to this podcast as my motherly judy. You have the choice not to my son sometime. Say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny but really just being stupid. You still want to listen. Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the pages dynasty. Podcast at a bye week last week but In preparation for a big game. You kind of have to do that. So we're back and it is your host here any brown along with both brothers brown. Greg steve who i believe actually both watched the game. This week is watch the game it to other. We both know talk by you steve. These bobby's on and we got surprise. Ruining the surprise into the bedroom where saying anyway just about to announce me good employed the contribution rate start and so for the surprise. That was now ruined sir. Also with us joining us. Today are brother-in-law. Bobby bridges the carolina panthers fan bobby. Bridges felt appropriate to bring him back. You talk to him before but These are better circumstances for you. Bobby i would think i'm just here to boost my ratings from the last time i was on with whom yeah three anyways one of those mom with all all the patriots fans that are dying to hear you. Come back on the podcast. I just add whatever flavor. I can't i love it. Yeah so the last time we talked to you. The panthers were one and fifteen finishing out that season. This is only two seasons ago and the patriots thrash them to end their season. Go into their their playoffs. And you said it was the low point in the franchise history. If i recall. I believe that's accurate. Yeah so then would that make this two thousand and three team The high point or just a high point. Yeah i was thinking that. I for me personally. Highpoint like this was a high watermark. This was like i mean this is the most important emphysema ever watched was supportive panthers in my life I high moment. For the franchise i think. Arguably in retrospect yes. Because we don't even need to talk about that stupid ass shit show against denver a few years ago. I mean those the competition right. Yeah well. I mean but Team would you say was better as a panthers fan because that that more recent one with cam newton they were what fifteen and one. Yeah that was a better team but this two thousand feet freezing was grittier there in the second half showed that as i recall yes. Abso- yeah these these carolina panthers back in two thousand and three finished the season. Eleven five was good enough of the three seed in the nfc and they kind kinda had a bit of a wild ride to the super bowl. Because i know we actually touched on it last week week before when the patriots were playing their own their divisional game against the titans in the cold. Yeah there were kept showing highlights of the panthers game because they were playing the rams and they beat the rams in double overtime received. Smith took a quick slant just fucking it walked off. I was the most important game. But that rams game is my favorite panther's game of my entire life. Actually i actually reservedly remember that game where i was watching it and i that steve smith play. I remember at that place. Seared into my soul could have gone down. I i can picture in front of my eyes right now. I understand that feeling. I have that for a few pages place but that actually brings me point. I because i feel like steve zahn kind of here. My brother say about this. I feel like steve. Smith is like a rodney harrison type of guy where you love him. If he's on your team but otherwise you think fucking hate him he was like i knew you would drag. I imagine like he's probably one of the top like panthers. Panthera history right. I have no hesitation in saying he's the greatest panther in history and my opinion is. If you didn't like steve smith you didn't fucking like football. Ray pleaded agree is different than in that. Even if he's not on your team you love 'cause he's fucking. I feel like that same. Like always played right on the edge. We're just trash. Talk the shit out of everybody all the time and like he seemed to be able to rile up the other team in a way that felt very reminiscent of a rodney harrison. Hines word to me a pretty good comparison. Yeah i think it's probably more talented than hines ward. But yes but also like. If you're gonna i mean steve. Smith's making my top ten all time athletes in terms of biggest chip on your shoulder bank. He's up there in terms of just like every game showed up with a like. I heard all these motherfuckers thought. I suck in football like before every game and the thing about is trash. Talk with like shit cut deep. I mean the most larry's moment ever was this like minnesota game when he just ripped france moods like soul out of his by now. I think that was the ice up. Son yes oh that's right. He's even better now with the. The analyst stuffy did like doing thursday night football halftime show and lying. Michael irvin was like like playfully. Talk shit to him about his suit or something. it's just habit none of it. He was just like he was like fuck you. I'm a better receiver than your response to. Every moment and become clear in all aspects of his life like have something to say. I have a response. I'm coming for you. He also apparently runs like an epic soccer tampa real soccer. Get his kids play soccer. He's like super into it. So i just googled. Like top steve. Smith best of steve smith seniors trash-talk on baltimore ravens dot com of all websites that ownership that they want the at well i know But the slide show the number the first slide is. I look in the eyes of all my victims before. I take their lunch money. That sounds right it really does. And there's another one. I don't know he's talking about but we're not on the team anymore. So i'm gonna go try and knock his block off to and when i get up i'm going to spend the football. Go back to the huddle and do it again. That's just media shit talking to yeah. Put your goggles on. Chris is going to be blood and guts everywhere. He said that about coming back to his first panther's game. He wasn't happy about the way things ended. He was not wrong in the way he was treated by ownership. How did it end. i don't think i remember. They just didn't resign him. And it was just like for a franchise icon completely inexcusable. Because wasn't it like he was too old and losing a step because there's a lot of quotes in here about like yeah and then he went to baltimore Thousand yard season was like fuck everybody. Yeah i remember that. This is a good one honestly. I want your mom to be pissed off when she sees on sportscenter that i'm doing her son like dirt. The difference is is big. You have those players now like The guy from the rams cornerback cocky guys or the sherman. The richard sherman. But they don't feel as authentically like psychopathic as smith does. That's great about smith is. it's very genuine. You could tell it's not like he's just like playing a player character he is. Actually that fucking crazy. Yeah it was never retention. It was not about spectacle is was pre social media actually took all this shit personally and it was like his journey to the league right. He was like special teams guy from like utah. And nobody thought would make it and like you know. He's like one of those guys like he like truly legit fought and earn his spot in the league. And then i think truly felt disrespected by everyone all the time. It sure seems that way. And that's why i was saying like mike. Comparison was rodney harrison. Because we rodney harrison was the king of. Nobody believes in us. We're playing with chip on shoulder because everybody's talking shit and we're gonna prove the world wrong and all that sort of crap. Even when they were in the midst of like a twentysomething game win streak and nobody was doubting them xenos fame. Steve smith could question. I don't think he's eligible yet. House guy only been retired lineup. He's one of those like borderline cases on the numbers. But i mean. I think i've made it clear where my my opinion lots i think so too. I think he should get it and saying here. He's seventh in. Nfl career receiving yards. That's gotta be that's gotta be a hall of famer. Twelve in receptions twenty fifth and touchdown since got pretty legit what about adeline then also misbehavior sneaky crazy to think. He's also got that chip on his show. He played you. Didn't you didn't say like he didn't talk the same way. That steve smith did but i think he played the same way right. I agree i always think back to. I think it was seattle super bowl when they had the mike dub version and like got crunched in a hit and he got up laughing and goes on to say that. That's fucking crazy bath. Or he was saying something about how he was on the bench. Miked up. he's like my dad always said growing up. When you have somebody on the ground you gotta step on their throat later on it. Goes back to like that. Explains a lot about me. Actually really doesn't it. Probably i think his dad was a bit of a psycho. Though makes a lot of sense he seems a little more. Like social media savvy though and like kind of knows what he's doing. I mean that could also be a sign of the times to the right. That's true but yeah so bobby. Do you have any like just overall thoughts about this. Two thousand three team memories generally about them. Yeah i mean. I remember this team so well this was like such a such a watershed moment I mean for me was freshman year in college. And in the early days of panthers. I like had not. I didn't really get in on the team closely when they in like ninety six and all that but like little bit later on high school started to because this was like after we lost the hornets unlike the panthers were kind of the thing in town. Football's grown a little bit but I might have said this the last time but like it was still big time redskins cowboys territory Which is why. Actually i seem to remember we trashed dallas in the first round Quincy carter days. It was such a satisfying victory because the cavs fans were such obnoxious assholes. Were like smashed them. Think we might even we either. Shut them out Three points and it was just like can assholes twenty nine apparently. Yeah yeah i mean this team. It was like i mean the. The winning season came out of nowhere. you said it's like we were total shit. And then he doesn't want. John fox takes over two thousand and two immediately at least makes the franchise respectable. I think we went seven nine year before And then was like have the makings of a solid defense. But like we're coming into that season and it's like these myth like this was his blood season like he's been solid chosen to like he was just returner before that Mohammed was a respectable veteran. But he didn't blow up until really about this. Time is like the the legit number two receiver. We like signed. Stephen davis. I think from the redskins this like slightly over the hill work horseback but like nobody knew he was gonna stay healthy And then rodney peete was the starting quarterback to start that season. And it's funny because my The i team that's easily play. The jaguars and my parents went to that game. And that was the game that i delete jake. Degrom remember this. This is fucking jake. Delone like coming out of nowhere. Nfl europe like on the practice squad and then they put him at halftime. We're losing to jacksonville. Sparks comeback And then wins the starting job week. One like people were. My parents were buzzing back of homeland people jack. The second half was awesome. This guy jake. Bohm zone brings the comeback and it just. It was one of the season's right where it's like this like scrappy team. Known names comes together and that was the vibe alike without that team. I don't think the panthers looked like they do now without that team to galvanize the fan base like i don't know where things are at I don't know if the team really gains momentum health who knows they might have gotten moved. Maybe a little dramatic but like they didn't accomplish much before that. And it's like this season made the panthers like like a legit thing in in the region and like so it was a big deal. I mean they want a lot of close games that season Like our he they weren't dominant one. Eleven five. I'm i mean i'm pretty. Sure they like one a shit load of like down to the wire games and close and it was like scrappy defense and opportunistic offense. And you know kind of like nobody believes in us. Attitude the whole fucking way and i don't think they were favored in any of their playoff games. Like even people were talking about dallas beating us when we won't in the ran which is why it was so disrespectful. Strategy had five overtime games in one them all off one apparently delone head eight game. Winning drive sin quarter. He's time. nfl record. Yeah it was that kind of season. Come and you gotta on. I mean i still got my Somewhere you know. i should've fucking morning they'll go get it in a minute. I got a i got. I got the powder blue delone jersey in the closet somewhere deep cut. I liked that now. He's one of those guys. You can't get his jersey. 'cause he's such fucking dark go goes no you don't use. The whole franchise was a giant dork. And he did something special. So i don't you say whatever you want about him that guy that guy's imported franchise player but yeah he's nerd. He's a dork totally totally. I'm like watching. I'd take like four players. Jerseys overheads roaster named him. Julius peppers steve. Smith kris jenkins req- manning. Oh ricky manning. Yeah man was awesome. Yeah he was like look like low key. Contributor glue got play guy plays best in games. All of this is true from a like malek football nerd standpoint but like i dunno like so many of those moments. It's just like this is a franchise that everything went wrong for before him and then like dilemmas. The guy who did anybody think he was a franchise quarterback note by the end of that season. Did people trust him to come through in the clutch. Yes and it was like a moment in order. I mean it was like Like a lin sanity kind moment for a whole season. He was only the second undrafted quarterback certain issue pro bowl. I think he probably still as i would. Guess was that. After kurt warner it was yeah he got a lot of kurt. Warner comparisons that year. Yeah and i think you touched on earlier. Jake alone was the backup for amsterdam in the world football league. Who backed up warner this warner. I remember they had a connection from the nfl. You're up gig. The amsterdam admirals so the amsterdam admirals basically a quarterback factory is what we're saying graduate of southwestern louisiana university another powerhouse college it does not exist. I guess it does you lafayette now. They changed their name. I thought they'd become but yeah. I mean the playoff run. I mean i was watching all these games on my college dorm and this kind of like helped sep. It's like i'm going to davidson right. So i'm like literally twenty minutes out of charlotte but i'm going to college with a punch out of staters like my whole freshman halls of blunt like new jersey new england. Florida people are all over in this cemented. Me is like oh box. The lake local guy. Who's like fucking crazy about the panthers. Your that apple. Steve made if again friend group out of that big like all these boston. Sports guy yeah. And here i am doing a fucking patriots. Podcasts were sixty five fucking episode three watching all these games questionable delone based on the wikipedia dot com entry for delom it said Delomez noted for licking his fingers before every play and sticking his tongue out as part of his focus which led him to be a bojangles fried chicken representative. Where do you ever want to call it. All the commercials do you do you remember and you the bojangles delone commercials. I was like waiting to be like. What's the question all of this dangerous facts and yes one hundred percent remember. The bojangles subscribe commercials awesome. I'm assuming also like no joke. Remember that tongue thing didn't notice it in. This game is on drugs on multiple points in this game. He looks like he's kind of wild eyed at times Down at one point for years. I had this. Dvd that was like i got out of like the ten dollar been at walmart once on a whim during maybe later in college and it was like one of those Like super bowl highlights videos nila gave you like the spiel and every super bowl for years like like the day of the super bowl. I would like make my roommates at the time. Watch it get hype And i remember. I mean i can vividly remember all the highlights had for this game Which was the second to last game on the disk. The last game on the desk was the eagles super bowl. The next one and Like you can literally see him in the huddle doing that. Crazy tongue out ship. Yeah he was crazy. Some country bumpkin crazy ass. He was crazy. And but i think it was more of a good crazy. Like steve smith scary crazy. Yeah but there was one time where not to ruin anything. But he threw a touchdown and he was running down to celebrate it and rodney harrison kind of like shoulder. Check them out. Added sputter out and just started screamin' rodney harrison knowing what he was saying. Yes my wrote that. Note that that seemed there. Looks like he's just on guys. You see brandon raven by seven eleven. Yeah that's what it looked like. Yeah look like he was the other way. Yeah yep bringing jesus to the field. It's great you guys watching the jake delone bojangles commercials now known awesome. I think we'll have to put him in hazard one doughnut. Yes everyone's sweet. I mean he was. I mean you're talking. Like a like underdog of start franchise in a region that hasn't had football. And here you have this guy who took him to the super bowl who save what you want about. Him alike bleeds authenticity. So people love this show. Yeah that is true by eat. None of the show wasn't act. He just wasn't itself It's kinda vibes you got from brady back. In the day to game cool. He was kind of similar like nerdy. Shucks kinda guy that was also a competitor when you put on the field but you get them off the field. He's like you know. yeah exactly. Yeah and he had more of the like quiet intensity on the field vibe like that also. Yeah those days read as authentic. Now he knows just you know sociopath. But he's on drugs steve smith and one of these commercials. Oh boy about nothing. Even if these strikes me as somebody who can't take a joke well. I also remember like moments like this steve smith jake. Degrom relationship was interesting because they like simultaneously had a ton of success together and like had a clear connection and as these smith sort of like as he hit his prime. There's clear tension of like. Hey motherfucker if you would just be a little bit better. I could do a lot more but he would just like. They had the kind of relationship where they would go at it. Like steve smith would tell him like motherfucker. You miss that throw in the in the huddle and they would just like. That was the relationship well like. I think that like. That's what set the tone for the whole team. It was just like we just like it was like a very like real vibe on that team. Like another strength of this. Panthers team was their defensive line like number. That's one the few things i remember from like the bill to the game was just. It was non-stop talk about. How would the patriots offensive line handled this these absolute fucking monsters on the panthers defense peppers and mike rucker on the end. Brenston buckner kris jenkins on the middle. Yeah they were a force they really were. And i've always kind of sought early in his game to where like brady just had absolutely no time in the the whole offensive line of the patients getting pushed around earth. The first half was low scoring right for the first twenty one. Twenty five minutes yes right yeah and then yet. Three hundred twenty four points were scored right at the end of the half. Oh that's right. It was right before half time things can lit up. Yep and that nothing in the third quarter in the fourth quarter back and forth. Yeah tonopah oh. It's supposed to be a boring game right. Patriots where the defensive juggernaut in the dan thursday just come off a fourteen to three win against the eagles saw the over under thirty eight. Which is you know. You never see. Thirty eight point over under these days right but yeah. I think people were had low expectations. What the super bowl be like then. The pats are seven point favorites. So it's like they weren't even expecting like a close game. They were thinking low scoring patriots. Win right exactly and it was the complete opposite of the fucking shootout that came out of the last play regime. pretty awesome. It wasn't it wasn't the first half was fourteen ten. Yup actually after the third quarter still fourteen ten hours back and forth just made him at the end. Yeah yeah so. Do we want to give us a walkability score boys. We haven't actually done there. We haven't she said with funnel scores either knows. It went out on the last minute. Field goal thirty two twenty nine after all those thirty eight point over under and the pages almost covered that themselves as the panthers so nice high scoring game even though fourteen fourteen ten going into that fourth quarter. There was one billion john. Casey kicked it out of bounce five touchdowns a final that final kickoff. And he was like he was a really good kicker to. I'll say bad words about another important man in the franchise but what it tragic moment was kind of the opposite of adam vegetarian game because ads struggled all season with mrs and missed his first field goal and then had a second one blocked so he's over two on the game and field goals came down to him. Having to kick a is a is other field goals actually short like thirty something yards. This was a forty one yard to win it. What a great example of. How the the the victor set the narrative because like the pats lose that game vegetarian fucking dote and not in a good way newman goes adds points at true. You were even three also a tough. Look john casey is. Did you see at earplugs in. That is for kicker that it's just a tough luck to you. Know that loud there. Such thing i mean i remember him as like a life. Pretty weird dude. He was also like old like kick for a long time. Hit like a really long career but like he was like. I think he might have even been at that time. One of the oldest guys on the team news thirty four. He kicked for twenty years. The nfl rookie was nineteen ninety. One had been kicking. Have notes on that. Long snapper from the patriots. Oh that's right yeah. Speaking of asthma. The fuckers it. Tell me about them. Said that i think it's a sports illustrated piece. He should have quit. Cliff notes version. But if you have time you should duffy. read it. He'd snap for bill check in. Cleveland had been retire for like three years and was teaching third grade or second grade in louisiana and then they brought him up right before the playoffs right because the patriots long snapper got hurt. Also they brought in the backup and he got her to. They didn't have a long snappers lewis. Sign this guy off the street right. Yeah but from. Belgium cleveland days. So you gotta love that ship it. There's nothing better about sports. i wanna i wanna. I wish i could do that as a principal. I wish i could be like this teachers on. Leave this backup sucks. I'm literally calling somebody. I know from college. I need you in here to teach seventh grade science for six weeks. We're on the verge of major breakthrough. You're a part of the team. Here's a jersey on pressure jerseys. Lot of pressure like he's like taking camcorders around the patriots experien- mailing back to his second grade classroom and louisiana love to see those states because right awesome man. What if we can get a hold of these the super bowl and he like the you save his life. Yeah he skipped them all. And if if you look closer a couple of skip snaps in this game. On punts on punchier goals. So he's like up all night the night before the game snapping into a pillow. 'cause goes to the the meal before the game tries to cut a dinner all with a steak knife and fucking get three stitches his hand. Oh for the super bowl. The meal the morning off grow. Get it together. Yeah so he's already got the dodge x. Pissed at him but there's nobody else place him because his hand the dinner at the day before that morning of my man. And so he was like please score touchdown additionally did and then the panthers came back touchdown so then was just shit when alec when they had the field goal to win it. And he's like like you know if i'm gonna go out to go guns. Firing side snap over the guy's head entirely dribble that doesn't get there so ended up crushing it. Perfect snap the only one he needed wrestling. Didn't really matter because not can walter was going to put a good months together even if you did snap it to them true. You'd played with ken. walter. In cleveland as well. So they've known each other from one. Oh my god yeah bell. Jack was the coach of them like late. Eighties early nineties. This is not recent. yeah ridiculous times jesus brothers. Nfl receiver todd kitchen. The cardinals Not not anymore. But and then he worked as a college analyst and retired after explaining that receivers may catches at the hands because they can crush the ball he added. That's kind of gay. But hey what was this other guy. It's like the guy for the site speaking of carolina hurricanes goalie the emergency goalie the equipment manager. Oh yeah. I'm trying to look it up right now. This recently and he pitched shutout basically right. You got into the game yeah. I was just like stonewall over that play the blues or someone. I'll try and find it there. Yeah i remember that guy yeah. There's a lot of those just like stories that are under the radar that you don't even realize happening. Yeah i mean. 'cause wasn't there a thing with the panthers running backs to remember. Stephen davis went down in the rams game and got hurt. And then who is the says. Sean foster yes sean. Faster trait is always kind of the change of pace back. Yeah he's kind of like the kevin falk of the panthers. I would say like a third hour. Wait lived up to the hype. But he had his moments yet a sweet. Td in this game. I thought so. He had like reaching over the pylon. Td did we have them. We have down here like two guys and then burst out of it and yeah they they showed a stat where the patriots hadn't given up a touchdown all season of more than thirty yards. And they did it twice in this game and that was one of them. Was that that. Sean foster touchdown. Yeah i mean that was the character of that team. It was just like backs against the wall. Not everything's gonna go right. We're not the best team in the field a lot of games but somebody's gonna step up when needed and make a play. They just didn't make one more play enough in this game. Bobby i mean what haunt me forever is a. I mean at the end of the day if john. Casey doesn't that that ball out of bounds. I mean i felt like momentum swinging away like i'll take that game to overtime any phone day or roll. I would roll the dice on overtime in that game any fucking day. Come on john casey. Come on seriously. You bouncing gave brady thirty yards ago damon. This is tom and he was going to do that anyway. That's probably true. Yeah i mean he's coming from but not then yes in two thousand fifteen shore. But it doesn't three. Tom brady now and that game. That's what they game like. I don't know. I think the rents of the same way. Yeah they're fucking throats in double overtime. That's true but i mean you can say that but like the patriots are driven down the fields the last three four dominate like three hundred and fifty yards passing. At that point. We can agree to disagree on this. Both teams where we're picking up yards and chunks at this bleak and agree to disagree. I'm just saying. I'm just saying that game should've gone to overtime. And i like their chances. Play a lot over thanking here. Yeah exactly but i mean you said that the patriots also coming into this. They were what sixteen wins in a row or something and they had won all of those games except for one by lessons of them. Points both really interesting teams. That how close seems the teams were like more similar than they appeared at face value for sure. Absolutely kind of. That's strong veteran. Defense felt like with in overcoming all those injuries. That was incredible early this year. That's right yeah. They don't just reeling enough wins. There was some stat. Wear the patriots were leading the league in most different starters with like forty something and and they showed a list of all the other teams had led the league in starters and i think the most wins on the season was four for those teams that suffered that many injuries and start so many players and the patriots went. Would they go this season. I don't even remember well fourteen and two just like figuring out how to plug guys in and it all worked out. But i think the one guy that they couldn't plug and play was rodney harrison. Actually who this was one of my memorable moments from the game where he was he may in the fourth quarter. Some point is is on that. Last carolina touchdown drive where rodney made the tackle of the running back and apparently like broke. His arm orlyk separated shoulder or something like that. I can't remember exactly what the injury was. greg. Do you remember i remember. I remember him being in the sling after the game but so he broke his arm but carolina was running the no huddle so he couldn't get off the field so he was then coverage on the next play on. I think it was a tight end and they throw it to him. The timing caught the ball. He had to make the tackle out of bounds with a broken arm and still managed to make the player then just like their out of bounds. Which is like one. And then i remember. There was some camera shot of him. Coming out after the confetti was falling in a sling and these covering confetti. He's like crying because it's rodney harrison and he just runs on emotion so but as soon as he went out after that the panthers are just like oh well whoever that new guy is which i don't even recognize it was like number twenty nine. I couldn't even figure out who he was on that the game sheet but he was he was not good and the patriots just picked him apart with ricky pro of all people ricky pearl another key member of that scrappy team. Yeah i mean and he was. He was one of those guys who always seem to show up against the patriots super bowls because This is gonna be one of my best at the end. But i'll put it in here because fits he in this game. Caught the tying touchdown tidy game up with less than two minutes left and he also did the exact same thing when he was a member of the rams in six he was the one that caught the tying touchdown with under two minutes left and then the patriots did what they did that as. Well yep ricky parole. I think he may have also been the guy at the beginning of the ram super bowl to billy. Tonight on dynasty is born. Ese just didn't realize which team he was talking about. At the time he must hate the patriots he really must also while. Because he's just next to ricky parole on my list here of of panthers players. Bobby do you have any feelings. One way or another germain wiggins note zero feelings one of those guys that floated in the background for a while. Another guy who goes kinda flash like maybe he'll be kinda good in note. Yeah because he was a former patriot. And that's how we felt about him too and now he's like on one of the sports radio morning shows wig it for him. He is unlistenable. I didn't know he was in this game for the panthers. Yeah had a couple of catches like right the end there. He he's on at hurdled. Jim nelson greg's boy. Yeah wilson did not have a good game in this game. Sorry to say greg to no the no comment fair enough. Because he's the one got beat on the eighty five yard touchdown. Oh yeah the longest play super bowl history. Is it still yes. no young. play from scrimmage. It has to be. Because i guess it because the pages there super ninety seven gave up like a ninety nine yard kick return to over that green bay. Packers return was desmond. Howard doesn't how're you. Okay kick returns as greg says said special teams aren't really a part of the game so that doesn't count true at the time. It happened what it was the law. It was the longest something at the time happened. It is the longest touchdown pass or run and see rule. History against like one of the historic. Best defense is yeah. She'll paulie the london even complete fifty percent of his passes. No now he started off terribly game. I think i was trying to keep track. They didn't actually have positive offensive yards with five minutes left in the in the second half in the second quarter yeah. The beginning of the game is brutal. Yeah he was one for nine for one yard with two minutes left in the second quarter and like three sacks or something like that so he had negative passing yards last week. Jake degrom so i mean. What did he finish with finish with. Probably a few hundred yards. Twenty three twenty yards over twenty yards per completion. Sixteen completions for three hundred twenty three yards and three touchdowns four sacks one of which was a fumble she lost. You gotta think the man can live with that. That's that's how showed up in the super bowl. You gotta think you know guiding forces in lafayette louisiana somewhere and he's is mind as a piece you would have to think because i mean they didn't have really any offense going there they couldn't get the running game going either. Stephen davis was he had a bad day. No and they were. They were really run oriented team right. Exactly they kept trying it Steven davis thirteen carries forty nine yards with the longest twenty one. So not not great. And that sean foster three carries for three yards. One of those was the thirty three yard. Touchdown that yeah. This was really before the era. When you're tossing a lot of assets dear you're running back. yeah so it was mainly jake. Degrom to steve smith head hamad. Can we talk about anton smith style. By the way. Twenty six carries twenty six carries a three yard touchdown touchdown l. Yeah yeah yeah. He sneaky good in this game he was. Yeah the the patriots running game was actually because it started off real slow but antoine smith. Again we've set of the last couple of weeks is running like it's two thousand one again. Because he has like the wheel had fallen off through the regular season. I don't know if your day or saving them or what but he was actually running it. Relatively effectively in this game especially said line to everyone thought they were absolutely detested. Couldn't run all year and then have a monster dealine eighty three yards and a touchdown. You ge- Quick question on what you boys thought about our lord and savior troy brown in this game. Oh big deborah bro. Game you know this is a big game for both my favorite singers troy and david gibbons david givens had a had a good game i mean dionne branch had the numbers ten catches one hundred four three yards and a touchdown the dnc like the third best receiver out there yet and the commentators were talking about how he was the he was. Brady's new like favorite target. Which everyone's like you know. You'd expect it to be troy brow but brady says it's it's the hombres because you know for whatever re he's small but he's strong and then you get to the last drive of the game and it's incomplete The branch brady troy brown rated detroit brown of detroit brown brady graham and then braider branch. So yeah we discount in the most important play of that drive is prayed branch that won the super bowl. Yeah but if you look at that play. They're both on the same side. They were both wide open. So you could have hit. He's he throw at the branch because favor put you're gonna say that deeper down the field. Brady's brady's favorite player is not dictated by brady. It's it's up to him his favorite players and he told the commentators it was branch and i disagree and you disagree with brady. Brady's their players or think about branches stat lines in his super bowls here back to back years raising ten catches one forty three and a touchdown this one and then he wins the mvp in the next one. Yeah i think he sets the the record for catches in the next one was not what it is something like that in the super bowl. Yeah there's some good Good wide receiver play on both ends of the ball really on both sides. Yeah like that. Yeah it was because usually you see the patriots kind of spread. The ball around and brady's favorite receiver is the open one but in this one it was pretty much all wide receivers. There was a lot of screen her any screens. Either it was all passes down the field. Yeah which is very unusual and it sounded like and bob. Correct me if i'm wrong. It sounds like the The panthers relied on a lot of screens in the regular season as well similar to the patients offense and Like it were running team. And then i mean they lived on the. They made their money on play action. And like steve smith billing them the fuck out you know to pull you out crazy shit. Yeah so very similar. There's some i wrote down from the first quarter was third and six and they ran the ball and sim said. I know it's not exciting to watch but it's kind of fun and loud. No it's not exciting. It's not fun either. Oh we going into the commentators also phil simms eventually getting the acts for being fucking boring as hell. Very bad apparently called julius peppers being a beast. I mean jewish boever's the second overall pick not really reach that you would have been about him rusting bill. Bell checks squib kick decision hours. A terrible decision he was. He was pretty butter about that. I'm sure you were too. I was too dumb. You think about the task for that. Yeah gave it to us. give it. Give us the the greg brown belt track eight-minute what was how much time was up. There was like fifteen seconds left in the half. You just just gone up. Fourteen to seven. The panthers have been like absolutely dominated. Laugh like the two minute warning. They had like zero total yards. Yeah dome one of nine up to that point like you had absolutely ship pumped on the whole half and it was fourteen seven and for some reason instead of just kicking deep the do this stupid squib kick which gets returned to the midfield one. Play later it's a fifty yard field goal and it's good and momentum. I think you're kind of Glossing over the fact that that one play was just like a run up the middle. The patriots just did not defend well. If that play happens from your twenty yard line and it doesn't matter when does kick ever get to the fucking fifty yard line. Play the odds numbers. It doesn't make any sense. Do your job belgium say. We've seen the colts kickoff to the patriots. In this exact situation and bethel johnson takes to the house. Andy so i think he is playing the numbers as long as that doesn't happen. We're okay feel okay so when you think he's okay with giving of yoga. They're probably not but i think in in the moment. That decision was the right decision. Because there's the least amount of chance of giving. Let's talk about the other coaching decision. Here in this game. And i want to bobby thoughts on this. Who was the panthers. Going for. Two somewhat early in the fourth quarter still seems a hated that assumes hate it and i think he said at the end of the game was like while though be second guessing that i was like a lot of back this shit autumn again phil. Let's set it upright. It's twelve forty eight left in the fourth quarter. To sean fosters gas touchdown makes twenty one. Sixteen i think all three timeouts left so it was a fair whole quarter to play football at you kicking. it puts you down. What four goals within three. So they go to and don't get it so they're down by cramming other two schools of thought here like there's the school thought of like don't go for two until you have to but in the context of this game i i have mixed feelings in the context of this game. I kinda liked it. Because i was just like your point scoring opportunities have been limited so far back. Semis them. Get within three hell. yeah so i think it makes sense. Ultimately that said by the other part of brain says motherfuckers. You don't have an offense to get two point conversion in this game and they treated like this ain't special you didn't have a play in your back pocket and so it was. It was maybe maybe sort of like from a strategic standpoint. But right call except you. Weren't you weren't equipped to win on it. And so i don't know yeah the disney look of having to play in the pocket on great. Yeah that's the difference in the coaching staff is bell. Check hat a play for a two point conversion when they guarantee that they had practiced multiple times correct even though this was their first two point conversion attempts of the entire season and remembering image on fox. I fucking guarantee the panthers did not a. Is this the first direct. Snap kevin falk. Oh no no. They've been running this since the blood so days i really oh yeah you never read his blog post best blog post about it the evolution of a play. It's been around for ages and they always seem to break it out like when they need it the most. Yeah and it was here. They did it in two thousand six when they needed to points against the chargers in the marla macree troy brown interception fumble game. They did it in the falcon super bowl with james white. They did it in. Oh seven where they actually faked it. They snapped it to brady. Brady pretended like it went over his head even though he had the ball. And so they faked the run and brady threw touchdown. So they've They've run this play a lot. But it's like it's that absolutely have to have this point play whereas i think beforehand like back in the blood. Today's they'd run into midfield. Just purchasing rules came off the heels of the rebel touchdown. I think everybody societas game with on some level. Yeah i i still think this is my heartache. For this game. Mike vrabel should have been super. Vp he had two sacks sac which set up the first patriot touchdown and he caught a touchdown the defensive player. How do you not give him. Mvp i agree. It goes to the quarterback as a non patriots fan for some reason. Mike vrabel as one of the guys from that era. That sticks out in my mind so much maybe subconsciously. Because of this game and What eight touchdowns in his career. Something like that. yeah he had the. Hey passes eight receptions on eight attempts for eight hotshots but the tight ends loved that like nine yards but yeah they also. I thought it was interesting. The commentators were talking about my grabble. Saying i think it was. Africa caught the touchdown. Maybe that he aspires to be a coach someday and wants to go back to ohio state and is hoping that they would give him a Like assistant coaching job. After you finish the planning and he said that if you ever was to become a coach that if his team had the super bowl who cut off his penis now like i cut off my own dick to to you not said when he was twenty. Five year olds sale two years ago as head coach of an nfl franchise young twelve old boy. He ever leave the the houston oilers to the super bowl. Cut off my penis. And then of course they got renamed as the titans boy do we wanted to do. The commentators said you had some notes side. All of my notes really because i have them more phil simms blaming tyler for the blown coverage on touchdown. Asante samuel definitely was greg. Greg was mad about that but happy that he called out bill ballot. Check for shitty squibb. Quick yeah exactly The the one other quote that i had phil simms saying neither team is big on celebrating. Trash-talking i'm thinking myself if you met steve smith and or rodney harrison. That's your yourself on this game. What the fuck dude did like both of them. That's all they do is trash. The entire fucking time greg. Gumbel did call adam venit. Terry's game when phil go on. If you caught that to. Mr. what did he says they call. Maybe you'll have an opportunity to redeem himself and kick kick for the. Oh yeah before that rebels. Td yeah right since. We're not gonna trash on the trash on the referees. Because this was an ed fucking hockey league game made him and they notice referees at all. I thought definitely find now. How many penalties were on. There was new england eight penalties for sixty yards. Caroline fall penalties for seventy three yards. I'd say half of those were ticky tack. They were just like fucking ad hoc wanted to hear himself. Talk to be fucking major league baseball umpire taking control the game or like a fucking. Nba basketball referee the center of attention. I do vaguely remember there. Being periods of this gaining that were frustrating with lots of penalties. I remember. I think butthurt now. All right let's go. Let's go to the last the detroit brown offensive pass interference. You're going to tell me. That was legit call. There's one stretch where i was like. This is getting out of hand where they had a measurement three plays in a row and then call challenge after the third measurement and thousands of first quarter. The first half and the game was just a slugfests. Anyways in like three straight plays with alec. Okay come on measure. Now news. Like off. Not again not exciting. But it's kind of fun to watch. I mean it is interesting to like you know shortly after this is when the nfl Change the Illegal contact rule. Yes and like that panthers eagles. Nfc championship got often cited as a game that caused them to change the rule. When like when. I haven't gone back and watch it but it seems pretty clear. That in retrospect like the panthers secondary like absolutely fucking robbed the eagles in that game in which just like fuck them up but every moment and that game was often cited as the one of the key exhibits for the nfl. Like change illegal contact rules. It makes you wonder if in the immediate aftermath there wasn't some sort of conversation about that ship. I think if that's exhibit exhibit b. is The patriots colts game. Where yeah the the. The pages defenders manhandled red hot coals offense. And so yeah. I think that was the to what conference championship games. Both of those. You basically have this defense. It's it's interesting. Ricky manning at three pictionary game entirely law had three picks in the past game. How sh- calls it. Ricky manning ty law rule goddamn so this kind of like these teams are very kind of parallel to each other which makes sense. Why is such a close scoring game or we are just gonna ask what we're talking about the halftime show at all. Just oh this one. So i yeah. I wanted to say that this is the the triple xia st- super bowl that was in the xxx range of super bowls. Because they no longer are because this is thirty nine so xxx v. I thirty eight year. So we're getting close to the the fucking timberlake man. So yeah greg. I assume you had notes on this. It's just so deja that they could even think to call this a wardrobe malfunction the tassell around her nipple. So what are we talking about here illegally. Wears those under her clothes without the intention of showing him. Can you milk me. People dislike bought it to was like ok. Wardrobe malfunction also tried to accomplish. I mean the last line in the song is i'm gonna have you naked by the end of the song. Then he grabs. He grabs a piece of clothing right right at her her breasts area and pulls it. If it was if it did malfunction what was supposed to happen. This is framed by defining memory of this as a kid because we tibo and had just if we were like what did i just want this thing that the best shows are lot of million ads so i was at college watching this too. And we were all like the main common room and we'd like real tv and because this was back in days before like flat screens and shit so we had the t like we somebody's tv and whoever the biggest one and we're all watching it and so was halftime like everybody else left like go. P your grab some food or more drinks or whatever. I'm sitting here watching this thing by myself alone in this empty room and that happens. I'm like oh. Did that did did i. Who on live tv and had nobody to validate with kind of before like live internet's happening so you can't go twitter twitter like ask people's one tv and so everybody came back. You missed it. There was boobs on tv at the halftime. Show not to go fuck yourself. I think you should already like strange movement. A viral moment before viral moments. Where things and i just remembered i kind of happened and then there was this pause and then they like the lights went out and was just like wait. Everyone is looked at each other like they did. Air like it. I see that or was that nipple questions obviously stage right. How far up did it go like. Obviously janet jackson and justin timberlake news happening. Did the show producers knows having. The nfl always happening had commercials da. They could've told. Bill simmons too cold phil simms in this game. You're allowed to push him around every now and then. That's what i do up here in the booth talking about bubis he knows you know it's coming phil simms boy. Yeah i mean. I think move though i gotta gary crops you know i think i think if they just if they were just if they just leaned into it and we're there were like yeah you saw you saw. What are you like that shit. We'll put that on the super bowl foyer. Our loved it but the fact that they immediately tried to lock it back. And be like now malfunction. It's like come on you like commit. And then backtrack immediately accent best with little nipple. It's it's very european. Just guys are cultured enough. You know what it is ready for that in two thousand four greg f pretend justin timberlake didn't cut that shit right on his resume. This was building a brand before building. A brand was thing. You got a great point here. Although greg why why they didn't cop to it is because it was very not very our timber. Timberlake andy or boa justin timberlake sometimes. Naughty boy he's it's been back in the news because the britney spears documentary doesn't shine very Good light on timberlake. So he is. He's apologized for both that. And the janet jackson apparently he said he was trying to compete with madonna christina. Aguilera britney spears kissed at the mtv musical arts. that's right. Yeah that i mean formulator years there. This is consistent with how we perceive mr timberlake. We just it'd be great if he could just honest about these things. I agree by stop. Stop trying to present yourself as like kind of wholesome like that's not how you are. Dan reigned he. He never quite got the line ride between bad boy or i mean you were making decision. I think yep. He wanted the best of both worlds. I think we're ready. You would have thrived on tiktok. There's still time full-time also This isn't houston did nasa tribute in the pre-game is one year anniversary of the columbia disaster. Show one yes well way to bring a dowry before i was going to segue into that halftime show not being the sexiest thing to happen in this game saying about tom brady No actually here. I will share my screen. So you gentlemen can can share this with me. And you're saying this is sexier than janet jackson's boob. It is yes. this is the right. After before the halftime kickoff there was this gentleman who dresses referee got to midfield and then took off the vast majority of his clothes and went streaking. And then our good friend of the podcast match adam. Oh quite possibly the best tackle the game. He buys them. Yeah this match a wi with the the neck role at this point like the the arm sleeves and everything just absolutely older when you hit the turf man's best he's like oh no i give up. I give up match. Oh god we don't give up in this game while yes matt in that guys. Can you walked forty five year. Old guy alan thing in pretty overweight in a jockstrap and a hat. And that's it running down. The field is sexier than jackson. No the hit with sex here. Oh the hip part is gonna mcsween got fucked up. Yeah they had like the medics on the field. I think we can we. Also i mean you guys been watching the games but the surprise. Yeah i'm just like man pre high def but the it might as well have been. Come along that footage. Yeah actually yeah. When we first started they didn't have the first down line and it was so hard wash and they didn't want the Score bug it only showed like when the play was starting to be like. Where are they on the field. What doubt it. I don't even know what's going on right now so hard to follow us. Yeah very weird just watching. That highlight i was just like i was distracted by the pixels in archaic is like the monday night it is. They always have a little bit better quality in the regular season chat. Yup it's a big. It's like watching football ads. Like my wife. Kelly watches it where there's no perception of like what down is it. How much time left. But like ooh exciting play. I'll watch that and then just let drift off for. Ooh exciting play. I'll watch that you know like that's her fan experience which is similar to like pre yellow line and clock and shit. Yeah that's a good way of doing it. Every play has less significance when it's like that because it's like i don't even know could be a i could be. I don't know we for winning till they bring the chains on the field to know what's happening. It's true now it's been almost like relearning how to watch some of these little football games because fog actually have to pay attention to like. How far guy does that a first down and nobody knows now the but they're starting to get better. We're getting closer to high def. I think in two thousand three Another another little anecdote from this game the kick returner and like third string running back is none other than rod. Smart he hate me from. Xfl glory. i thought. I recognize that. But i couldn't place it. That he hate me. Damn he leaned sweet. Yeah another like character on this panthers team success returning kicks in this. I will say well. I think he got back to the twenty. Troy did really well. Troy troy brown was returning punts. And then all of a sudden he wasn't and then he was again and there was no more punts is how this came team to go get that in through the facemask early. Yeah i don't know if he broke his nose but he he came back on the field just had like the tissue just wedged up in there playing like that the as trotting out there with of his nose. You can see the red starting leak through it. Yeah shoes christ another interesting. he hit me. no it. is that upon retirement. Jake degrom got into like owning horses and shit like that and one of the horses that he he raised he had named. She hate me okay. Seemingly dated a reference to that apparently spike in divorce just like bit them all times. He also player in the xfl that were playing against. He hates his team. That put on their nameplate. I hate he and the other guy put. I hate he too the number the letter. T o t o who. Oh my god yeah magin taking yourself seriously. Having i hate he too on your jersey which is a response to teammates whose response to opponent. What's great is like thinking about this through our modern lens of like this. Is the ship. People do on twitter now but in the united states these were like getting jerseys made with the only way you can get your name out with by like forty ridiculous. Nature's like these guys trying to do the same certain amount of carolis. Listen thing. yeah you got like fifty characters to fuck in your name out naked news. Which by the that is the defining. The xfl fell. He hit me probably like the most that. Xfl mvp tommy. Maddox actually starting some games for the the xfl clearly was the inside of the coin flips. They just put the ball. In the middle of the kickoff rule. That was the greatest thing to run at each other alec tories. Acl and like the first one opening. This injuries shocking. No one predicted this awesome. Awesome like we should bring this back. Yeah we did bomb two boys. Y'all do worse. Yeah so bobby Growing up in the brown house we dinner time. We have to do best and worst around the table and give our best of the of the day in the worst of the day. So we've brought that over to the podcast for the game so you're more than willing to participate but we're putting on the spot so if you have any best and just of you the super bowl or this panther season in general feel free thankfully Your mother has spent enough time with with grandchildren. That i'm very familiar with estimators knows about bestsellers. Best worst best and worse. I mean enduringly. The worst for me was the kickoff going out of bounds in this game is the thing i remember is the biggest regret what the fuck moment is like. I just remember at the end of that game. Like tying it up in the end it was a moment that felt like it felt like the whole season. It was just like this. is it a game. We shouldn't win. But we're gonna have a chance to win in the in the kick out of annals just such a fucking punch in the stomach from from a guy who otherwise had just been so stalwart like jon. Casey kicked it out of bounds on off. Like what so. That was my worst like i. I'll never forget that I think best best for this game was was definitely the mohammed touchdown. It was just such a like fuck you more it 'cause it was third and ten arrive fifteen and the first two passes head look real bad. The patriots defensive line where like rag doll ing delone all over the place and delone toss that ball just like up like the shit rainbows so high and so hard But i think that thousand best the best game i mean. I'll still be like. I'll go back a second. We talked about it briefly. But daveramsey as my favorite panther's game of all time. And i wrote. I watched it at a friend's house and it was a it was happening over the christmas break. I think it was a year. You know what i mean. So i was home and my my buddies from home fans. Were all over there worth this house in. Like his house was like a family. They have four kids and it was like it was literally called it. The game house growing up his parents went on. I was like game nuts and friday. Fucking kids over there. Rally literally thirty kids over there And we go over there and we're like in a back bedroom watching this game and these people are not football. Fans this is. We're into board games like dungeons and dragons so like we're like watching panther's game hardcore in the other room and i'm like losing my fucking shit. I'm like totally losing my schiff and The thing i remember from after that game was a oh you know what it was. I was about to leave to after that game to drive back to davidson and oldest son in that family. Scott went there with me. He was a year old of me. So i was going to give him a ride back as remember their mom maxine. Who was like this really nice like spoken woman. I just remember vividly her looking at me in the living room. I've noticed one of my whole life. I've been around in a hundred times. But i'll probably have like three direct conversations with our ever and she just looks scares. She clearly heard my like insanity from the other room and just goes. I really love you. But if the panthers lost this game i was not gonna let my son drive back within an awesome a maxine classic maxine classic maxine. Always all right well. My best is learning that. My brother-in-law plays onion and dragons. Listen we can talk about that later. Jag a lot of things happened on game night okay. Dnd's legit my friend. i never played. But i'm very intrigued by it with gregg. I've thought of before you got gotta ask running. I needed a dungeon master. Yeah honestly this this Podcast is too much of a commitment. I can't imagine it dungeons and dragons gonna even more. You need somebody who knows what the doing runs o. C. need somebody who liked preps a whole eight pages of notes every week at the episodes. So what i'm saying. Is i don't i don't have enough time during the puck later. I can introduce introducing guest. Dole used his now in in. Lincoln knows just a fulltime dungeons and dragons dungeon master. I need him on wednesdays every three weeks. Don't worry better. I've got a few friends like that. Too they very different little mini three print their their people. So when you're in person you can be your own little guy and they set up all sorts of good times. So is that your worth or your best. India can't remember. That was one of my best know my actual best for this game was dion branch catching his first. Ever career playoff touchdown just happened to be in the super bowl. Happen to be Along one actually is one that kind of kicked off the oj. Know his his was the the play action one early so that was good And then my worst was. Reliant stadium is a stadium. I thought the grass was like the turf itself seemed pretty bad like nobody could stay on their feet for the whole game. And i'm going to blame the stadium for adema. Terry's is because he has only missed up until this point four field goals indoors all four of them in the stadium because the other two were against the houston texans when they're playing in reliance stadium earlier this this season seasons before whenever that was whatever. Go ahead and blowing all blame. All david carr sax on the turf. Whatever you know else you can play on turf john. Casey kicking the ball out of bounds on the sago were no double standards. The commentator wrong and the restaurant fucked that up. Yeah but really what. It was the the stadium. The whole thing was a joke except the two teams. That's a good segue into my best. Actually give it to me. So i was watching this and there. There's so many places game that remind me of other big patriots. Plays happen either before or after. So the terry game. Winning field goal very similar to the one against texas early in the year. Which if you're going to go back actually watched one of the games from the season that you don't even remember that's a good one you think. Yeah the texans game. Yeah most game the whole way through and went all the owns the whole world then over time those longest game in comedy career. That's true i remember correct. I remember being a good game. The able strip sack looks exactly like hightower That was like just flipped on the other side of the field. But the same gets like he's rear and backup throw against them right in the army just drops it on the ball it just chops great coverage by tyrone poole on st smith where he pulls the staff play looks back with gilmore. Down with the off hand was great because i think that was the only play tyrone poole made the entire game. Steph gilmore looking did. There's a wigan sighting of him hurtling people like in the raiders game true he. There's a direct. Snap that kevin faulk which looked a lot like the james white one you know so. I was just getting a lot of flashbacks. Other peaches games in this one of those allegations of all those other big plays sort of in this one just different versions of it that you don't actually quite remember those plays you had to pull one play. This is probably the touchdown which again is also reminiscent of super bowl next year. Two thousand four. Yeah yes it's true touchdown to that's a great. That's a great best. What do you got for your worst. Tom brady's interception in the end zone. I he's been doing that. This season a few times. Mostly against the colts where they drive down all. And he's ready to put his foot on the teams throat and just like ended as a contest and he throws that interception deepen enemies editor or in the end zone. Give them life. Wasn't that right before the the big. Yeah that was yeah. right before. The eighty five yard mohammadi fiber touchdown. Yeah yeah yeah. They're inside the what the niners replacement inside the ten yard line. You throw an interception. The goal line out twenty one point twenty eight ten with the a seven forty eight left in the field goal lease. Yeah so. Yeah that was. That was a bad one. I blocked my mind and he right down. Fuck is also similar to not really but the pig sixty three in the falcons game now. We're like god damn. We just finally get something going greg. What you got for me boy so going back to just wanted to mention this. The hurricanes goalie found the article on hilarious. So the sky is they're playing in toronto. That's he is. He's the emergency goalie but he. He lives and works in toronto for like their age l. team and he sometimes subs in and practices with toronto. Maple leaves as just like their third goalie during practice. So i think he's e- emergency going for both teams. I think that's how it works. Yeah just six workout. So they they both the starters hurricanes get injured skies a forty two year old. he's the zamboni driver for h. l. team. He comes off the bench. He's wearing a maple leafs goalie. Face nats the helmet and he comes in and plays against the maple leaves for the hurricanes gives up goals on his first two shots and then settles down blah is stops his last eight and ends up winning the game for game. That's amazing. Yeah and they're making a disney movie about it. Nice as they should so pretty close story my best. I think variable you kinda stole it earlier but us he. I think he had a case for. Mvp two sacks forced fumble tackle for loss and touchdown pretty impressive game my worst Not that they'd know. In retrospect but the all the fawning ca doing over jerry richardson every time. They showed him in the kind of like cringe at this point now how he would do anything to win will did that cut right before they the kick where they cut to robert kraft and he's sitting there holding hands and people next to of it right there and then they cut jerry richardson. He's sitting by itself. Legs crossed arms crossed just looking so pissed arms crossed across like big old his yup either rear shave man sometimes resting bitch face anyways and he looked even more pissed off there. Yeah you want to hear the fernie. Those that never read up on what happened. Obviously he's forced to sell the team to. This is from the article i was reading. Friday was jeans day. When most staffers of the panthers team offices would wear them to work the female employees knew. What that man as the team's owner jerry. Richardson made his rounds on his way to spacious office he would he would ask women to turn around so he could admire their backsides and his his rolling southern drawl. He'd offered comment. Drawing of lund liners recycle each week among those in heaviest rotation. Show me how you wiggle to get those genes up. Then you had to lay down on your bed to fit into those genes. Did you step into those jeans or did you have to jump into them. Oh god strangely is lucky. Shit phase right now is classic very not shown the how you wiggle. Imagine hugging billionaire team owner. Saying that someone in your presence man who wiggles Just like jenn jiggling down the fucking alway. He's wiggling get his own fucking from personal experience with it. Takes just expertly hammed it to fit his got precisely so watching phil simms and greg gumbel fawned over during a stupid goal is just like tough that that's my worst fair enough. Who is the owner. Now david tepper the billionaire. I-it's seems to be doing good things program. Yeah lobby comments. I mean pretty disassociated at this point my read on him is like. He's cut from the like ambitious entrepreneur cloth. I did look like richardson in those seats. But okay All right well. This has been yet another successful season. Bobby thank you for joining us. Indeed rate steve greg. Thank you for joining me on this journey again greg. Thanks for watching the game. Yeah thanks for watching this game. Thank you for thanking you greg. Thank you for thanking me for thinking you. You're welcome and mom listening to shut up. Mom mom i love you for everything. Yeah and so. This wraps up the two thousand three nfl season. We'll be back soon with the start of the two thousand four season when eventually. We'll probably see the patriots. Lose one day. Bagging keeps rolling. Baby has been or sixteen wins in so far. If only donovan mcnabb didn't get tired. He had no tommy. Okay embed shellfish now torello instead. We maybe should afraid extant. Should've gone a friend who. Hey but we'll see you next season on the pages dicey podcast. But until then we'll seal.

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2001 Super Bowl: Patriots vs Rams - PART 2

Patriots Dynasty Podcast

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2001 Super Bowl: Patriots vs Rams - PART 2

"This is Christine Brown and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to my sons, and of course my. Sometimes say some naughty things trying to be funny, but really just being stupid. You still want to listen. Go right ahead. I am not your. Heart to various. Episode Super Bowl episode. we thought this was such a a special one, and because they that Chatham talk for long did. We thought we'd spent the senate to episodes. So this is episode. Two of the Super Bowl, two thousand one super bowl. Coming back to us. We're GONNA take you to Sunday February. Third Two thousand two. In Louisiana a super domes pre Katrina. Ultrabra we are New England patriots. Are facing the greatest show on turf in the second time this season. The first one didn't go the Patriots Way and because of that, the Patriots are fourteen point underdogs because underdogs. I think insecure history. That's not the biggest underdogs. THE BIGGEST UNDERDOGS! At this time yeah, Greg was the biggest underdogs. I looked at out kind of simple old one. Eighteen. Really! The was the Jonathan. It might have been. I look it up guaranteed victory. I know the biggest blowout was I? Don't think the sperm. Upsets at jets colts who ruled three eighteen point spread. Didn't. They only scored eighteen points a game back onto. The final scores Sixteen to seven. Or we're not going to ruin the finals. Tell, you who won? So talked about the rams, really because we saw them and we. Talked about their offenses. Solid defense at Adia. Nothing huge and that's I think. It's probably just get into this game. Because this was a game that I felt like I. Watch More Racist Than Happen I. There was a bunch of plays in here. That were big plates. I can believe that way. So can we talk about Kurt Warner I? Not. 'cause I went down. Kurt Warner Rabbit. Hole all right I love you randolph. A story is. Ridiculous. It's crazier than Brady's. Without a doubt really. Oh, yeah, I. Just his rise like He. was a third string quarterback at the University of Northern Iowa. Power So. Yeah match Adams. I think same conference. I think I think you. Saw One AA. He goes undrafted. Nine, hundred, ninety four goes to the. Gets picked up for the packers training camp, competing Brett. Farve Mark Brunell tied detmer she's. The coaches Mike Holmgren Steve Mariucci and Andy Reid. Audit Powerhouse Yeah, all three agrees sucks. They caught him. So then famously after he gets. He's stocking shelves at a grocery store for five fifty an hour in Cedar Falls. Boy. Imagine anything more depressing. Clean and pools. Hey. That was like eight dollars an hour doing it during a pandemic. GS. Sedan. He goes to the arena league. And So in college to Susie played senior year lit it on fire. He goes to the arena. League lights it on fire. He like wins to arena bulls. He's Zych I in the League in yards and touchdowns all these stats. He gets a tryout with the bears. And before he goes, he goes honeymoon before training camp gets bit by a spider. And can't compete at Camp. Bear. Did he go on his honeymoon? Australia! Australia, yeah. Fuck off, spider. I see sneaky I. Think you know Super Religious? This is just a theory, but he wasn't. You know you save himself marriage plus true. But as soon as he busted in instead of that like like. Two minute, more moment of clarity. had like six months one. Skip the. This to what am I doing? That's my theory. Then he goes to NFL Europe boys for the Amsterdam. Admirals with. His backup Jake degrom didn't know that either chat. and. He Lights It on fire in Europe as well so everywhere he goes, he's just spent hairs it up. Yeah, there is it out. He ends up with. The rams they pick them up as their fourth string quarterback. and. They put him up for the NFL expansion draft. When the browns were expansion, they were like. Nah We don't want him. And then. Is Somehow ends up being the backup because they like trade Tony Banks and Willie's Bano yeah. And then try green towards ACL and all the side. Your starter is Kurt Warner ninety-nine. What does he do? It does for forty three hundred yards, forty one touchdowns sixty five percent completion percentage. For Fourteen touchdowns in his first four games. That's crazy. Yeah, Wins Wins. The MVP wins the Super Bowl and the Super Bowl Mvp all in his first season in the NFL. Come just just a ridiculously meteoric rise hell when he first got shot because I, he went forty five around Graduated College in Ninety Three. So. That's twenty seven ish. Yeah, graduated in Twenty One late Twenty S. And then signs a seven year contract right after that ship. Imagine his wife. She must be like God damn I hit the Jackpot. Eilly, auto word that. You're making five fifteen an hour and I was wondering this House for Real. And then the rest is Kinda history back-to-back MBP or two or three years MVP. I mean he lifted up one so this is his third year in the League and he should have spent. This is like I. Think the height of his career. Split. I mean he falls. He falls apart after this game. But this is indeed. Right. Yeah! Actually funnily enough it was a lot to do with the thumb, so he gets a thumb injury in this game and. I think that carried them for like four years like stay I. Don't even think you've got an game at the beginning of the season. They are saying. Cast because in the last game of yeah, and he's still having issues here that talk about him. Like having some like grabby thing, he's always squeezing, so he can like. Try some up, but he's like. Grabbing better. Strangers. I know what you mean when you gotTA. Springs I'm guessing. It was John. Madden John I'm pretty sure he actually said grabbing that may have been pervaded. I'll I'm going to go on record and say John Madden was a better commentator than I. Remember Love. Them I wrote down to yeah. Let's go there John Madden and PAT summerall. This was actually pat summerall last ever game that he did good. We'll. He was awful well, starting at just not finish it. Are, you gonNA say something. Thing. He would fall for it every trick. Play the. Patriots Dad what they've been doing all. Also you season with a direct snap. To Kevin Faulk. Oh, too high. Snapping a boggles over prey. Oh, wait no. Well he's so like monotone to and that one play was the one where you could tell. You actually surprised because he actually had some emotion it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah I I agree with him. I thought John Madden was a lot better than I remember. Remember just like all the stupid shit that he says yeah, he actually listen to them. Like a lot of it is really good and really informative stuff. You can see why he lasted as long as he did. I remember mom saying that she liked him. Because when she was learning the game, he would explain it, and sometimes he would like you dumb it down so like stuff like I'm like. Yeah, no Shit! But I remembered that comment. Mom must meet a years ago or she loved him because he would explain to her when she had no idea that was going on right absolutely. Jokes around to. He was having a great time with it when the rest of Dogma that call and the guy like held his hand for like ten seconds. You see that. He's like you must got a good one look at his eyes. Referee was like if you haven't pointed, which way was going to do it. Doesn't know which way it's going, but he you can tell by the look in the referees is. He's got a good one. Because were wide open. He was the guy standing. This is ally over his holding his fifth. He, he was used very quotable. Well I mean my impression coming away from it because I've watched that found drive a ton is him like saying they shouldn't go for and then doubling down right out on that. But. From the big picture. He's got a point. Where like they're on the seventeen had. Ever change. Left Brady's rookie. Logic now yeah. They just gave up a touchdown in mind halfway through he. He's like never mind. I'm on board with this. Yeah, all right. Now now listening back now. Twenty years later I've changed. My I'm sure I know he said some. Silly things, but never stupid. Never wrong like you'd say Dan fouts. They're not super bias either. He didn't seem to be like crazy. Biased know who more just like excited to to watch football kind of like. You'd see Tony Romo these days. We're just excited. To. It had that that like joyful feeling to it to me. Also. This is the best Super Bowl logo of all time in my opinion I. Below goes. Remember member really but this one. It's awesome. And They were kind of Samy after this one. And then eventually got standardized out of the same thing every year. I don't know whether they do that either. It's stupid. Couldn't tell you. Apparently is supposed to be something different to. Remain. The ad they had different logo and they did. They had sold some merchandise with the old logo and then obviously. The nine eleven thing there's a lot of patriotic themes around the super bowl, so they end up changing it. Makes Sense. Google it. Very drawer lives theme looking. Like. The? Better. Likud did some research this week. To watch the gay but this. WIKIPEDIA! Greg's also. Rainman of Patriots Points Remembers. Watch! Shutout Matt Chatham for putting me onto the L. A. Kiss television. Have you watched. It I watched like five episodes last night. Yeah and it's worth watching did. I say. I'm GonNa tell you something that. It doesn't make me proud. Kick Kelly cried. Excuse. Kelly cried and episode three here's. Sadness like? Tears of joy when PJ Bell, the underdog made the team, so he could play with his brother. Kelly was. Clear sign your on quarantine. Really. I can hear in the background yelling at you. Issue Custom from downstairs. Here's a happiness. Here's. A KISS football team. We may have to future. Do a a bye week, episode or something? It's worth it. There's enough to talk about their to attack as they say. Line series of Episode Yeah. Maybe not that much. Even better all right. You have anymore. I had some some Kurt Warner notes. Actually we got so. I noticed that in the last game. They didn't talk about it, but he had this like you. That big long facemask Kinda like similar to chew bledsoe's. Had like an extra loop at the bottom. The fuck does he has just like. To hang his tired or something I don't understand why that extra thing, but actually talked about it in this game where? Apparently his. Vocal Chords got injured somehow that explain how it happened. I guess he's got like. Shot in the neck or something? By. Post that clarity. But. So they they put that there while it was feeling, so it wouldn't. Come because. Lost? Losses Voice for like a great thing. No they had it for that, and then they left it there so wouldn't get fucking crazy injury. Get. Does that even extend far enough down now? I? Think it did because he took a shot like directly in that spot from Willie McGuinness at one point. Oh, yeah, we stayed in their late I just like. Throw them all away, but. Like. Top of his dome was like rightness, right mischance off. Maybe it did help. Shots in this game. He he took a lot of shots in the game in a bloody point. They said it was eleven. Eleven hits three quarters them. And he was also at the point at this point who? He was second in NFL history in attempts without an interception. In Super Bowl with sixty. And, then procedure throw two hundred sections in the next eleven. Attempts see spoiler. I'm assuming that's been broken since because people just actually throw. More passes Games Jenner but there was I took a bunch of screen shots because there was a bunch of like. Steps that they put up on the on the Chevron, the bottom and Didn't make a lot of sense. Yes I actually found video when I was youtube in this of. Home video reactions to this game for Frank. Yeah some people in these Boston fans. And the quality is what you'd expect, but. One of the things they brought up his like. The on stats from. I swear to God just throwing anything out there. It's just give you a taste some of them. At the beginning. The rams started the ball they showed. The rankings of the offense and defense. The rams offense was passing NFL the Defense Somehow twenty fourth in the NFL. Using for that. Yards probably aby. Even. Twenty four seems real low yard, not sure what that was. But then moments later, they showed. The Patriots Defense have allowed one opening drive touchdown last twenty six. Good stead over. But on twenty four, th ranked defense. Quite it's gotta be a yard and then on the opposite side of the ball. This was also surprising. They showed the same snap. Reverse patriots offense nineteenth in the NFL which. feels. About right yeah. Middle of the road of Rams defense anybody want to guess. where? They ranked in the NFL. Fit! Higher. Really a third in the NFL, yeah, they gotta be using yards then because they're not going to be something like yeah. Not Not Great, there was a lot of. and. We'll all do some more later, but there was a lot of this is one other one. The Patriots Defense in the postseason they were showing the defense special teams and scored three touchdowns. And the Patriots offense had also scored three touchdowns. Yeah Yeah. That makes sense that. GOES BACK TO OUR Three days the game defense wins championships. Can You? Can you name the Five Hall of famers that started for the Rams in this game? WHO Yep. Warner Yep. Isn't hall of fame. WHO's the left tackle? Pace Yup. Fuck. Williams yes! Wow well done guys. Get that I don't think. We got also the. Defensive Back Hall of Famer Atta. MARCI, LETTA! Yeah, yeah, he wants just taking snaps gets even the white defence. mean him, adjacency Horner. I was sick, too. I Love Jerry by. Their good secondary. That's a pretty dope name, too. Because if you went by like Andrei and not as cool Andrea. y'All Murphy. I need to hear Burma I. Tried to look up. SEE IF BERMAN HAD A. Like primetime for that couldn't find it. yeah I was looking forward to you, and I can find either. Because a couple of my favorite Berman nicknames in this. Ricky paull member Prell Shampoo. Ricky Pearl Shampoos is way for a first down. or Hausa here, Akeem when you. You did. Favorite permanent isn't. There all my favorite. This genus! All right I mean. Should we talk about this game all that? Yeah all right. So Open quarter, the rams actually took the lead which I've forgotten. It's the only lead they'd have. A fifty yard field goal which at the time was the third longest field. Third field goal of over fifty yards. They put a whole bunch of stats matlock yeah. So third longest figel. One of three zero field goals will shit their longest field goal and fifty yards. More. And, then that was kind of all it had didn't start a bit slow I bought. Antoine Smith. I kept. Like remembering him as more of A. Game Changer in this season. But at felt like every game, he would start off averaging like two yards a carry in the first half. The team down and would eventually end up averaging four yards a carry. Ninety two yards and five foot, one one per carry, and I feel like this game was the same thing like he started off the first probably quarter and a half averaging like a yard a Kerry. And then started. Wearing them down. Bring bigger runs. Derrick Henry effect. Yeah exactly the same idea. Yeah. And second quarter was Prime Mosey, rans actually to open the second quarter Mr longer fifty two yards. Way Way Way. We're not to best words for quarters. We're going to buy the half. Oh cheese why you got best worse for every Goddamn quarter. Yeah, of course. I fucking stood Oh God. I mean either fucking. Bullshit did. Do Nothing. The first quarter we set the tone. Ballot. To bucky like absolutely laid lumber. That was. The bit deleted with Isaac Bruce. Lob Lay lumber on the crossover right across her like a Shaolin Cross Bruce and Mike Longest right there and just like wipe them down. Like. They came out and they're hitting people everywhere. The worst was first KIGULA Games of forty I return. Yeah, that's how the rams are. The Rams won the opening toss. Elected to receive the football and then took kickoff out the. Punted it to our one. Our three actually that was my best was. Tom. Brady's I snap. In a super bowl was from his own three yard line and his idea to. Go Empty Backfield and had a real quick slant to. Who Else Choi. Now, it's his first ever play from scrimmage. Sweep You're GonNa Best Greg. Why did I was Kinda scared there for 'cause I. Don't remember either of those plays that you just mentioned I don't know if I just like zoned out for a bit, but. I don't know if this is in the first quarter but madden. Or summerall asked him asked Madden if he had proud. Bourbon Street earlier in the week. Is, I don't know prowl is the right word. But. Yes, I made to stop there on Tuesday. Monday MTA. It's the yeah. I think that's all I had written down. We'll call best and worst the worst. The question was the worst answer was the best. Of It. You have a worst. Did you do a worse? Area just ridiculous to to yell can't get right to yell all also. They came out as a team. They kind of set that. Most people remember that but. I haven't noticed. Winded the crazy train. INTRO start. It was in places. Crazy train on the intro in the Super Bowl. First quarter. Well Youtube one that we I thought they out to crazy train. In my mind did. Fact check it. Also! Episode something never change now. There's some Cutler's some controversy about win. This game was to be played as Matt. Connor mentioned in the interview. Yeah just because of the nine eleven. They pushed everything back and. I guess they didn't do two weeks back then. In between the conference game in Super Bowl think so. Because I was thinking. Why wouldn't they just make the two weeks one? We can keep it the same day, but they actually at the move this game back a week. Yeah, I thought really yeah. So they must have only been to one week at this point. Apparently. There's all sorts of discussions around whether they should like. Make the playoffs. More compact like play games midweek. On, Osha like cut out a week of the season. 'cause they 'cause, there was some automobile show already booked in. In the stadium for that that we Yeah because I remember like right. After nine eleven happened in the in the Boston Globe, there was articles talking about how like even directly after this happened, they were already like NFL was already on the phone with like the people like I. Think the the Metrodome people. superdome rather and. They were like trying to convince them to push the auto show huge. FUCKING SUPER BOWL! Yeah, exactly the beat it. Yield or something like like a few days later and we're talking about this and we're just like so. Yeah, so apparently they They gave them financial considerations, and also they let them run free ads during the Super Bowl. Shit I don't know if it's I cars or the be right. The car manufacturer if you gave me a chance to do a free ad during the Super Bowl. So inappropriate appropriate. Like. Oh, it'd be awful I know that. Moving the cameras I think tone deaf is. We're probably be a good way to describe it. A half your beard shaved. Exactly Brow Wearing A. Thong that that has a elephant trunk on the front, swinging around in circles thirty seconds. Google crazy train thing. There's a blog post by the guy who used to work for the Patriots that did all of this. He said he did it and he ate Yup. Starting to suffer for the yeah, they used to come out to jock jams. Are you ready for this? Ring a bell. Also, did you know that Janet Jackson was supposed to perform halftime. Really. Yeah. Pushed. You to come on. You know that yeah. I don't it's a beautiful day. Had all the name scrolling on the. Middle. You remember that Steve Come on Caesar's trying to be like too cool for pop culture right now. Steamer than Batum taking shit at this point i. just looked up hooted crazy train. You can. I. Mean Imagine if this was. Doing all this America's stuff and then. And then just internally. Attribute. Saluting around them. Ship. Tone deaf. Things? This podcast. Expert this? Quarter. Roman Phifer played safety and laying lumber Larry on the first play. Wanted take absolute shot whether you're planning a big zonal. It's like he got a really deep drop. Gentleman. dropped. He looked at a place back. The Mexico, the likes of Laura Malloy is still Taranto when athlete though. Right. Also Grant Winstrom Look pretty good. He did not was answer I had forgotten about him, but he was a good player. He like they did like a zone blitz, he liked dropped in the coverage. Encouraged Kevin Faulk and Coventry well. Yeah, yeah. I thought there was a Richard Seymour was out there running down. Marshall Faulk. One of those place. where it looked like he was excellent coverage, Marshall Faulk came out of the backfield and the guy that appealed to cover was. Richard Seymour, which doesn't seem particularly soda. beat flick ten yards, but definitely yeah, he's still ran as. They look good doing it. All I will say. Different. We're going to give him some shit. We gotta give him some props for. His sack literally takes the right guard and frozen aside like the guys, just a child. And then just run straight after he's a cartoon. Yes, yes, sorry, cartoon, monster or something. He's just bigger than everybody else. He just looks like he's playing with like younger kids. It's like wrong that same sort of like just. Too Big to be what plus go back the second quarter. So. Your best quarter. Oh, I talk about quarterly. I think we'll leave that until we get to it I. Think it's going to be Greg's. So! The rams mess a fifty two yarder, and the pats get the ball at their own forty one, which is by far the best starting field position because. Two drives before that they are there three and the throne nights their their first chance to actually get somewhere. And they? They don't the Dick. Out what. Brady took a shot to To Patent probably should have been picked off. That, but that was on third down that the defensive holding call on it so. They got another chance and then did that as well. They punted. Notice this was. Combined. Tackle on the punt. Great tackle to help. In the! Rams deep, but to start the ran's starting deep was tackled by like variable and also our friend match Adam. On Coverage. This I, only I would only know this talked to him. But when you talk about how Brian Cox is like playing one foot. Like, yeah, I can't cover. Analysts on coverage. That's I'm weird. I'm where you like. He goes out and delay the white the cornerback spot. He was out covering somebody like out past the numbers. A faulk, Rodney almost like chase him down from behind house like. Yeah he was in there for more than I. Remember was keep an eye out for him to. For a lot of short running plays and you made some tax. Those things you don't, you wouldn't play with not registered at all for me without that sort of. Knowledge Yeah That's that's Kinda. Why I to do because you kind of rail to watch these games in a different light because? I thought that I would be. Cooler headed watching these games I think in some spots I am I'm recognized things like that. Boys but I'm still like tensing up during some. It's almost like. A physically. I'll be honest with Andy I'm not really well. You know what happens to I know, but it's still like I can't help myself doing every time. The the ranch, the ball and and they got the ball to Fox hands like whole body. We can tackle tackle. Even though I know how this goes, I've seen this place before. Steve with Andy here, really getting worked up on these Games for sure I can't help myself. And then even some of the other games. We've done early season like I. Don't remember them at all. Yeah, so it's like watching a brain game for me is great. I thought I thought that, too. I thought it would kind of like tone down as I start remembering these games more and more richest. Why these ones that are to sell reaction. And parts of them and I don't remember to. Let's talk about the part we do remember Greg Brad. You want to Walk US through this. It, will you mean the greatest play in Patriots History? Possibly the greatest. Like ten seconds of my life up to that point. Thankfully. There's no possible. So, obviously, we're talking about the tight law. Pick six. They're down three nothing. It's time three now. Yeah halfway through the second quarter. Actually looking back, it was. It was very similar to the high tower. SACK, strep against Atlanta I thought that Tony. Where are you just sovereign? Coming off the side and you're like dude. No one touched him saying yeah. Yeah, and then one or just kinda floats went up there. And Tie catches it in stride, and does the infamous like hand up as he's crossing and. White the dusting of the ground celebration. Yeah, yes. Still lutely iconic. I used to do that after every good thing I did. I can see you making the bed. Trash out room. He's dusting. The floor did I want? I want that. After intercourse with Kelly and she's. Lucky. I always doing it to. Get the joke. Remember the shrine used to have yeah. There was like a tile corner of the shrine of course I was. Like we did it in there. It was funny to do and then after I started. Doing the dance, and during the four, and she's like what are you doing? Is arguing understand. The show stand. She gets it now. I I'm better question. Does she listen to this podcast? For you. So yeah, that was a big part of my childhood depth play. Just parked fairly. Tyler Law Fan for him to get a pick six in the super bowl. You know on the biggest stage. was just it was? He was so swaggie about it to that. Because that's what you love, the Buck Diallo is. That confidence and It was pretty special huge momentum play. Yeah. But I do have a note here. That's a personal foul these days. That's true to hit him in the head pretty good. Based that right tackle just totally blew it to free. Who was then he goes? Just well that was the right tackle. who was there back because their original and got heart earlier. No, this is his last play. They said this is his. That's right, yeah! You're right, you're right. You're right, but like. If you watch the replays, you can see him turned inside. And then he turns, looks at him, colleague, crushing the quarterback, and he's like claps his hands in like Shit fucked that one up. Yeah. And there before. there. Would be. I'm looking at broken and then PAT summerall was like. Interception! Return for a touchdown. Jesus packed. Celebration Pat Summer on the other hand fucking blows. Wake up dude yeah game going on. If you don't get hype for pick six and a super bowl. Like what are you, yeah? That was the second ever pick six super bowl. Who Can? We is the first one something we'd know? Maybe. It happened the year before. That the Ravens, I don't remember that to. ME. Is the one year after two right that dude from the Tampa Bay. ever. To be. Were three. Year have to hair Jesus. Kerry. Collins got pick six by Duane starks. Remember and then the year after rich Gannon threw three interceptions that were. To Dwight Smith. And one by Derrick Brooks wait who won the MVP on? The boxer. tweet right, you would think. Clusters. Tell you, I left, seems on pro football reference. I'm not seeing is going to be built three did. Baltimore won the Super Bowl Year before against signs. Have no recollection at. The. Boreham was boring game of all time. That was that was the one where they had that historic defense. Trent dilfer! That's the one the one that everybody. Whereas quarterback is. He's not right. Ray Lewis was. Rookie year maybe all. Is this I Brian Boulware era. Name. Now, you think a Kyle Fuller. Bull aware the LINEBACKER OH, yeah! I think that makes sense. Okay, Rod Woodson right nets. What Rod Woodson her. Well let's we finally got an exciting. We bought for that Snooze I. Hear Stephen. Dexter Jackson the safety was the MVP. TEXTING! Jackson and why. I think maybe screwed up your first. Three picks sixes in a super bowl. was trying to at a guy who had two of them didn't win the MVP. This is correct. I mean Dexter. Jackson also had to hear sections. Stealing. Check Andy Static. What we what? What do you think the odds were Dexter Jackson Signal, MVP. -rageous how wages I can't think of another link safety maybe. A defensive player when the Ravens won as well, but like not since then he, he'll just fall into the category other. There even put. Even? Put up numbers on those did. You GonNA call. Them. All right so pats up seven three now. Things are looking good. This is how we wanted to go. Yeah and. The defense in this quarter was onstage Shit Stop I thought they were getting chunk plays, but we're making some solid ones easily because after that. Bruschi basically just stonewalled fall on a second one like one on one. is absolutely just. Getting it, and then the Nex- play Lor Malloy almost got his own pick. It but also on that drive had that fumbled snap that it turned into like fifteen yards. Kurt, Warner was cool. Calm collected. Picks it up everybody like the entire offense and defensive line just stopped. And then like he had all the time, Orleans completed a pass, not if anyone's ever tried to fake that from risky alsi. Do when you. SNAP. Yeah fake, a fumbled snap. or You just have. The Guy, the center. Keep it in Google. That's what the fumble risky is, isn't it? Yeah, but it's not like a fumble. I think they didn't change the rules. We actually have to like exchange possession I. Couldn't do that A. Makes Sense. So, then they punted away Trae, Brown, fair catch with like nobody within fifteen yards of them. Else. He would make. Then I got like a football or not. Football wasn't quite sure. ooh! which if this has to be the one I thinking, too? They said lingers John Madden. He said thorough guy bone, and then you throw them to bones in a row. Actually, not the one thing. Als- thinking of either You have to have the one I have written down. I'll say it. You said when he said. What do you think Tyler thinks when he sees two hundred seventy pounds of me coming out? I had something else actually. I heard that I was like. There's no way anybody midst that. I don't even know his name because we're talking about the rams fullback. mangles his nickname meet. Never heard anybody more excited about a nickname. That was the same play I mean. That's a great lakes. Now mattress talking about even remember the situation. Something to do with having his fingers moving under there or something like that. Had to do with with. Kurt Warner getting his his thumb hurt. Call, you know when you when you have your fingers under there. Things can happen. Oh Fuck. Sham? But to answer his question, I bet tylenol was thinking well. That's not GONNA fit. Down to. I think Tyler has enough swag at that it would fit. I can? His work can handle it seventy pounds. No problem they did make the tackle to. All meet. That's an all school football name. Such a nickname for a fucking fullback. If you feel like not named me semi. Let stalled out with the Brady on that stunt SAC, which had no chance on back there in two zero I remember right. Yeah, yeah, because this is getting towards the end of the second quarter, so they start moving the ball a bit, and then one hits Ricky parole. WHO. He is obviously the guy who made the comment about. Dynasty is born. That's him. People were talking about it. What? Them being a dynasty I know, but he's the one before the game starts turns to. The camera goes tonight at Dynasties Board. And then like every catchable, he would fuck in celebrate a whole lot for the fucking forum writers either I've Oh sounds like. Andy doesn't like Ricky Pearl. I thought that I hated ricky pro, because he killed us in this game and rewatching it I'm like no must been thinking about Hakeem because he killed us in this game. You're thinking pro because he the game tying touchdown. That's how I. It's it maybe a Carolina game, too. I remember pretty pretty good there, but so either way. He definitely hates the Patriots. Yeah I think we'll get to that later. Because I think he does score the Patriots in the superbowl when he's with the panthers as well, but in this quarter he fumbled a fucking ball like a Joe. fumbled it because of. Our Boy Antoine Antoine Harris Baby. Shout out the most underrated. MVP candidate on this team. As made a couple of big plays lately. He's lot better than terrance shaw. Weeks well got injured. Right didn't shock. It injured on that Roman Phifer hit in the first quarter. Out there, someone I don't remember who it impressionist Shaw? But, they're only playing. All these guys are going with that five. DB Yeah Oh my God. There's a stat here somewhere. Where is it? So the Patriots defense tonight. This is halfway through the third quarter. How many times they've played. Different amounts of defensive backs on the field. Though. Your normal four defensive backs two cornerbacks to safeties. They did that twelve times five defensive backs, which is Nichole? Ten Times six defensive backs, which is a dime which you don't see very often. They've done that fifteen times and even rolled out seven defensive backs three times after quarter. Dow was obviously there was just put nothing, but pass offenders out there, and then as soon as somebody catches the ball fucking light them up. And? There are so titan line everywhere. They're jamming every single time. One of my but there was one player I saw it was a screenplay to the tight end or something. Marshall Faulk was lined up in the backfield. He ran kind of like an out. And Willie mcginest. You could tell his assignment. Was Marshall Faulk so he. He saw model for going out, and he just ran straight at to the point where the left tackle like when out to go block them and realize like he couldn't because. He goes running away from, and we'll let me get his. Probably like ten yards in the Backfield, just lit the fuck into Marshall Faulk and knocking like ten yards back and then came back, so you got to do? Now is the game plan and it. It worked only through, but it was like you could just see immediately. He just made a beeline straight to Marshall faulk knocked his ass over and then came back to get to make the plan. was fantastic. Yeah, and I think like. An it's part. Part of the reason is fourteen point spread by that turf makes a huge difference. Dot part of their team nickname for. God's sake so. That this team is bill yeah? This team is built to play on this surface. When patriots are coming off like yeah, coming off two winds to get there, that are like. Log Fast so you can kind of understand where that spread game. Oh, yeah, especially, since late in the Patriots. In in Foxborough on the the non turf, and they still yep look sloppy doing it, but the whole the way at the end problem. I didn't notice like everybody was bleeding, though probably from fall on that TURF OH, yeah! Indoor on it indoor soccer for awhile back in the day. fucking terrible. was just like a thin layer of carpet with like covering concrete carpet on cocker. Yeah, it's awful. It's nothing now. It's great, though little rubber pellets. Better bigly, you find rubber, pellets and blaze. Even know you had three days later. But from a visual standpoint, the tariff pretty cool. Yeah, Green Turf. The pats field doesn't look great on TV now at July, but. The colors were popping in this game. You The blue jerseys on the green grass. Grandma dude, imagine if the rams had their old school. Yellow and Blue Holo. That, cool. Like or even the Patriots read. An hour to. Anybody else getting. Yet. That sound you heard was me unzipping my pants. Penalties. Where's pants? Strew I do also. I went down down the Elliott Kiss Rabbit Hole. The most disgusting pair of sweat pants ever. For Sale Yeah It's just like a full sized Gene Simmons face. Oh, yeah I just did it. Why got the kiss? Where like their faces are right above your deck? I they had some of the tackiest should ever. I heard like a animal moaning. Stomach. Really. That's not true. Walls? St, hungry, right. Before dinner. It's all the Pu Bruin. Okay? Let's move this along. Yeah, we'll cut this. So that I once they get that fault. Ball back from Ricky. Parole dropped on the ground that loser. Efforts like troy screen. Thought againts whereas John Madden sweet. He's talking about his first step quickness like what makes them. A good screen receiver made some great punt returner and. I was like man. Knows his stuff. But? there. was massive but I thought. even bigger plan. This is going to be my I. Think Third One and the page like just outside field. Goal Range. And Ken Fox takes the toss sweep out of the shotgun. Around left tackle. And the left tackle the guy that Matt like got injured and this guy just come in for the strive. And recognize name. Yeah me, either Williams someone something Williams. and. He pulled out an. He blocked two guys on that one play and Sprung Faulk, not only for the first album. Bounds. And get done with five. Yeah, yeah, and then like two plays later, brain patent touchdown in the corner there. Shades of the week before Blood Zona Patent. That back corner fall away. My best was like the in like the live broadcast on Youtube. They had different camera angle for that. Did you like? Image like usual is is from the corner of the end zone. And I was like set up perfectly. Watch like Brady sprout ahead. Oh, you're the perfect angle for political. Like I don't know you see it from the replays. You think it puts a lot more air under it, but it wasn't loses kind of a bullet Yucky in their. Tough catch though yeah I think it's a better catch than it was a thorough harger. I agree with that and it was an awesome route committee. Yeah! Not from five hundred eleven. Game those wiggle hips. See later Brady pumped up to yes. Out Up. Out Get the gun to bite and get behind him. Yup Dave Pattens only catch the game show. His Patent had another play. But it wasn't. Hysteria reverse. Tom Brady Front we call a blocking. They did that like dances way through the getting into the fray. Not Great Tom, not great. They had a stat, or this is the. Rams first time trailing by more than eight points all year. At the end of this. At the end of the half was that that was. A tomboy I touch passing last eighty three attempts. Great. You know timely. yeah, this is the first time that the rams have trailed by more than eight points this season at all. And then right on the ensuing kickoff, for this was the biggest super bowl fact, the biggest halftime deficit overcome is seven points. Covering out fourteen to three. But you know it was great and kind of set the table for. Your twenty of this podcast, but. We'll also that I mean that fumble is huge like I. Don't think people really talk about that much. Today. Antwan, Harris fumbled, but I mean. Math or fourteen three if the if the rams go down to score there I mean you're talking about being down at half. This is a whole different. Having. Still seven three and it's anybody's game. Scores Down Fourteen three you go into that locker room, thinking we can win this fucking thing. Especially since the pages getting the ball back like to. Do that score and then get the ball back and try again. That's that's a whole moment, and even like offense hadn't done anything. And even this whole game in offense doesn't really do much until the last drive. It's true. Yeah, every single thing is it had? Season never mind this game. I can't think of a game this season. Where I've been like. Wow, this. This offense is a wagon. The only one was the. Didn't watch it. Watch any of the Games? Wagon at all based on what you guys have been telling me. Now Broiler. The game against any rallied them down for Milan and they've aged fucking slant and he threw it like fifty times so slowing at Tommy Yeah exactly just one of those programs. But speaking of underrated plays in this game I thought the ensuing kickoff. was huge. Address not already. Seconds left in the half style. And Now. It's the rams and we've seen them do this the Patriots last time they played, but are they. Right before the half just went down and. Completed plays of like at least twenty yards, a bunch of Kicked a field goal or score touchdown rights right before the half. Typical you see the pages, do these. A Terry and actually sent. Marshall Faulk Mac to return the kick to. Instead of Yale Murphy. And Viteri. Kicks it away from. Faulk like right on the sidelines, so that when when fault catches it momentum takes him out of bounds at the six, which is just let it bounce, and it probably going to balance exactly. It was a super ballsy kick to deal in fucking your ball. Because if let's bows out of bounds, the ranch while the forty and you completely different things, it's not thirty seconds left instead of green at your own six, and they just take a half, so to plays change this whole Shape of this super young I don't think Marshall Faulk was. Comfortable doing it. Now I. Don't think he returns kicks very often. You know what? Someone needs to tell Mike Martz do job. and Yo- Murphy was good, he was a gay guy. He had that forty yard turned open the game. Actually. Good Spark, and that's that's the whole theory behind it. All is right, is I don't change things just because this is an important game. Just do your job and Mike Marches going all, God. We do some here down fourteen three. We need a sport. Yeah, no, don't do that, just do. Your job. You want to hear a quote from John Madden. Yeah. Is Patriots Defense has done their job. Why did you write that down? Because it would be a fucking quote later on. Okay all right. Just written down everything. You've heard for the next twenty fucking years. Pages. You got over there Andy. Ice Melts I have four pages all the screen shots, so it turns out. I knew he's send us. Your show notes never read them I'd never read them either. I don't even know. I think my own notes. I have two and a half pages. I have a half a page on Kurt Warner and nothing else. You didn't watch that game. Somehow, you're contributing. God damnit arraignment. Yeah Exactly. Good job you're good at this is the only thing I am good at. That's where we had our own little spark on the second half kickoff. Patrick, pass Hellier yeah, returning that. Kick off to the thirty. Yeah, well, he was like dead to rights in fifteen. You squirted out that. This year like the season years will better kick returner than I. Ever imagined. Right. Technically, was he? I think he was a running back yet, but he was used big Biller brexit house. Is that what a half back is? Somewhere between a running back and a fullback. Halfback was just originally. Running back. Yeah, That position like they back in the which never made sense. Why isn't it I? Just I just invented a fucking perfect description didn't. You somewhere between a full bag running back right? Now Patrick Pass, half back. Calm and a half a halfback. He's a quarterback off. Your mom, so dumb Shit quarterback was a refund. As My go-to joke when I was a kid. Shocking. It doesn't really work, but I'd say it's my brothers, but. You. Get the point. Luckily we know Mamas listeners. Shot at every fucking. Then they come out with a ton of Antoine. It was this is some of his best friends the game here. Yeah and they actually I thought they were going for the dagger, because Brady tried to hit patent, deep and Pat. You had like two steps on the guy, bridges missing. Matting called it to call that players like Tony Romo. He did like this is the time where you take a shot, and that's exactly what happened. And I think. In scored the touchdown over and. Kill Them I feel like they could have just kept grinding it with A. Baton. Fuck was at MOM's trying video. She's she knows. Impart can. You tell it. Come on answer. Answer I. I can video or if you want to climb, mom, I just let her go to voicemail. On, the park yeah. Mom! Mom Mom. She can't figure out the phone. Can figure out technology. That's a shocker. I'm. John Sewer you mom. You're in the middle of a two now. You're just talking about how you never listened to us because he don't care. You keep saying you will mob. You will. You'll figure out podcast the next twenty years. Italy? Riveting radio. Takes Bob. I love you, mom. Finally got around the PODCAST. Four months. How often you call your mother Steve? Call all the time. Very ten days maybe. She calls me like every three days complains about you so. figured. Greg she was just I'm gonNA. Tell me how much of a good good boy him. That's interesting. Laura where were we Anton Smith just pound in the rock. But I feel like they kill momentum by taking that shock there I don't know I kind of like the data. Is Rationale. What's his name John Madden John? You know you're already up. They're expecting you to ground and you're in good field position. Touting was working. Yeah, the shot they. Jr Edmund Loses three hours now. It's third and thirteen in like. They're not even in field goal range, and they end up putting in a way. Yeah, but if he hits, that was open. There's the right play call. Didn't extra just missed it. Brady sneaky has been bad at the deep ball is. Way Better at that than. Even like only a couple of seasons later then. You guys Chris Five. Now Brady emergency episode by saying there's never a great deep offer. That's true comes a great people her. He's all he's never been strengthened is like he becomes decent pretty good because that was never his game. You fucking lists in Steve. How dare you? Late zone coverage. We have another Chatham citing right after this. Yes. Not One of his better things. It's called for fair catch interference. And please voraciously with their effort. He didn't. It was very close. Though was real close to not being a, didn't but. Got Away with it. So the ramp, start throwing fifteen instead of further field in that. This is where Warner starts taking shots. Like, there was still driving the ball. But I think they made about midfield then he took three like real shots in a row. Big Rich got him real on. Yeah, that was the one there that that was the one where he you just toss the garn aside like it was up. And, like the next play, PFEIFFER has delayed safety. Butson does absolute blows them up again. He's tough son of a Bitch Warner. Yeah he was, he would just standing there taking it. The whole time is bleeding from the channels shit. Warner yeah, have to yeah. I want him to be the new Monday. Monday night, guy. He does the radio. Doesn't Monday night. Yeah. He's pretty good. I'd bet it'd be yeah Grasp of how the game works. To Brett Farve. Maybe. He's a good old boy. You can't tell me Brett. Farve is charismatic. That's probably true. Everybody loves Brett Farve. Yeah. He was going to live the whole thing. You. Can't get a bunch of shit wrong to also. Right GIVES US gunslinger. He's just shows up in a patrick. Mahomes game. God! He's doesn't wear a suit. He just comes in his blue jeans. Gene Tuxedo. Canadian Tuxedo Andy. I wanted Denim Tuxedo. Power the fuck you want. We don't talk. See No shame here. That's true. They're beaten up on the wide receiver so. who was that one play like? It was weird like I guess it was part of their thing, but like the wide receivers. It hit the ground before they got tackled. Yeah! Madden even call that out. He's like yeah, now they were they get as far as I can just fall over. SMART. Malloy just blows up this like happy endowed. And it wasn't like, and I'm pretty sure that's legal now to yeah, and then I probably legal then, but the super bowl you don't. Like the. was like I'm sorry I saw Chris Chessel with his ask. Them right back yeah. Sounds Great. Well that's the whole thing like I. Think they're getting in their heads by just being overtly physical with receivers. and. I think it was getting wars to because all the timing often hughes run a prison life this point. In the ad time a bunch to, but he couldn't find people open solemly. Timeless, really thrown off. The rush would eventually gets on and then he was hanging. There's always he could. Like hopefully somebody would get open. He would start taking shots. He got like those corners that they're just flooding. The filled with all played pretty well. As a tough. Assets Probably. Takim did so well as you're asking. Wheatley in Shaw. Our boy, it's kind try and cover them. Well, that's their. That's always been the patients offensive game plan a sake away your best options, and have you beat them with your third guy right. I mean the third guy is awesome on this team, too. It's true I mean you could even make a case for parole. Let's say. Wide Receiver the trunk candidate advocate touchdowns. Right, I read your notes Andy. I read them? I was just giving you a hard time. I read them sometimes but not. successions. That's okay six. That's still a lot for backup running back. and He. Something about him being like Keefer, Kiefer Sutherland character. His name sounds like a bad Fox TV drama. Candidate the drug candidate Tuesday nights at nine. On Fox, yeah. So, yeah, this team is just a a wagon. Right you have you have to have a perfect game? Not only I mean you under you. See the game plan and I bet that's not that crazy to think of. Physical with them a lot. It's a lot of teams probably thought that, but. This is like I think seven perfect effect execution, right? Yeah you get turnover opportunistic turnovers, dischord points on defense. You're hitting him at every opportunity I'm still gain a decent yards, but. Give them to three points through three quarters. That's. About as good as you can ask for, you can run the ball. Yeah, earn, turn the clock a bit. Yeah I mean Lake. Chattan said if they hadn't played them early in the year I. Bet they lose this game. Yeah I said that to I in that game I said it was the most important loss of the Patriots Dynasty. The Room by Greg Mike. Yes Fair. Well I just disagree with anything you say. Really. I hadn't noticed. It hasn't gone off fucking thirty years. I'm just I'm just testing you to see how strong their convictions are. Like any good brother would do. Speaking of convictions. NEXT BRANDS DR. Kurt Warner's picked off again. My Ot I s Otis. I've forgotten about this interception to be honest. I always forget about this one time died. This is like the the sleepy turnover like the everyone remember Ricky Pearl Fumble in the. I law pick sex. Both out this patriots are driving. Tie The game and not. To win. Right, yeah, because this turns into well, this was the. Direct snap to faulk. yellowy fooled. Summerall, but even before that the play before that are jubilant whether they tried. Running back past can fall. Which I had completely forgotten about. And fog, the pressure was so great that he just had like pulled down unit. SMART OFF. Yeah, we've covered anyway. Did you see that angle now? The guy was like strive for strive with the receiver and defensive end and named he was. He blew his block up. Is Right on talk to thousand, Greg. Space until. Brought them up earlier. winstrom yeah. He will play up. We got at least a military field goals and our seventeen three going into the fourth quarter. So yeah, without that. Ranch coach you touchdown be down, which is exactly what happens, but I mean I. Don't know if there are any more things to talk about in the third quarter due vessels you guys have. A best with PAT summerall getting foiled by that direct snap. House, my favorite. Best. Hardware, yeah, running back. Yes, jump into the fourth quarter. This is this is where it gets good? Well, the rams are kind of figuring it out. Well all right so good I mean it ends good, but it starts. Well. It starts really good because he. Drive all the way down the Gulf fourth and goal from the three. Even before that dude, he almost two picks back to back place. And he didn't seem a lawyer all. Almost had a pick. On the third down. To Fade and Hands on it, and then the president went for it. Kinda had this point. Yeah I guess. There was a what. Was Kinda early. Knows right right the beginning of the quarter, but you down two touchdowns. In this day need you probably can't feel go because there's a lot more scoring, but I think back then. Might have been a different calculation. It's true maybe. But there's also a lot of scoring and so I think he'd go. Yeah before fourth and goal from the three. Warner draw snack to pass nobody's open. Mainly, because Willie mcginest has. Formed technicals are coming out of the backfield. Within five yards. Here we. Five. We. Tackle. Play the ground bins to. He tried Kim Malden. Ball, but he's in five yards. You can do John Madden. Can't hold people though Steve You can make contact. You can't hold them. Sit in called Pi or something now all the. But the result of the play is warner scrambles tries dive touchdown. If you WANNA, call it scrambles. Radio Slows Warner Whose Faster Brady Warner. She's. whose faster than Brady Warner Greg Brown? I'm faster. Now. We keep trying to get a guy at work to do a forty yard dash. Brady's combine time you should make them to the triple jump. Shuttle. Patients only care about the three cone anyway. If you, WANNA make a non athletic person. Look really not athletic. Make them do the triple job. is like the least intuitive. Thing ever. So. You just look a fucking idiot. Maybe we should. Maybe we should have combine stats I'll do it. We'll see if we can figure that out. Or in North Carolina summer. Maybe the next time we're altogether, but that's bullshit. Ask Flag shouldn't touchdown should have been game over tomorrow? Except the fumble one your goal line and runs all my back for it would've been twenty four to three, and then the game again is over. Yeah, ten! Let's up. Huge swing fourteen point swing rams get the ball back and a first down and basically the one yard line. Later. Kurt Warner qb sneak gustave. We talked about. Just ranch drive the middle of course, the touchdown and has a little bit close and Pets Morales like what just happened? Didn't realize it as a touchdown like five seconds, which definitely let. John Mad- gone about goosing. The patients offense a three and out. Pretty much every drive. This always happens. Right will like off. The plate get super conservative, and they distract grind clock, the freemen's and out three nine, three, nine, three out, not just with the patients, just in general I feel like yeah, I and football. Momentum Baby. Yeah, I think that has on the do of them at once. Your whole starts clenching. You start getting conservative. Galley and you start getting conservative and just like you're running the plays. Even like execution. Right here like can't. You don't WanNa make played at blows it. Kept played pretty well, O! Playing defensively is pretty instinctual ray. You dislike running around if you're. Tight, window here do I. Just let it rip or do I. Check Down You know right. Yeah, and so you in this game. This is where breaking. We'll be checking down. Yeah, well until Australia would. At that point you're not, you're game. You're not trying to contain that. Lead you just. See what you can do on this last drive in then whatever happens happens, but there's still that thing that Greg said where you don't make that fatal mistake either now. John Madden's point of taking me. Because, he don't make that mistake. That's true they didn't. Conversation with Brady like like we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA fucking slam, but it's like Otas had made that pick and they hadn't got that three points right, and of course how he's GonNa Bring it. But even more impressive. That is slanted to win it. Yeah I mean back to your point I think the defense does do a decent job in this, but you can tell a getting gassed well. Do they like Blue Kurt up again? Yeah, 'cause they patient, go three hundred and the ranch. I think had a holding called move back to their own seven, so started their seven guideline drive. Down the field, but not in like a typical rams way rather just like. We're warner has a bunch of time. He's standing back there. Just picking apart like he was running for his life. Completing passes like you're half. Expecting, be like shoveled passing. It left handed, but still managed to drive almost within field goal range, so we're kinda close. Until Willie mcginest comes out. And puts his the drive with. A huge sack, utech. Forcing the. Ramps upon. The! Well Willy's celebration. Their tail was you could tell was exhausted. Deny it player. On his back Dang, talking God at the ceiling. Amazing. Yeah, he knew that that was getting them off the field and get lakes acid. Wasn't my has the ball at their own twenty with three and a half left basically I. They were going to run. Free running plays, but they didn't they then they'd like burned. Stupid Timeout to. Oh yeah, like by the by this point. No neither team had any timeouts left. Which is baffling to me? They're just using them like whenever the fuck they want, you know some stat where the the rams led the League in delay of game for such a what you would expect the a well oiled machine. You wouldn't expect them to have that many elegant calls, but it did feel like a little disjointed all the way. But the punt was. Can. Walter is worst under the season and we say absolute auto punt. Thirty yards. and. They cut the Brad seely, what the fuck is that? Were totally like. Both. Why Would they re kick it or not right? I think nowadays you can just take that five yards jacket on. I don't. Start at their own forty five. Ridiculous. And then I'm GONNA leave while. Minute fifty one left. Yeah, yeah, because they they the pats mansion. Run it down. Yeah, so. At about five a couple of plays later. I'm just GONNA. Go out and say it. A legal offense hasn't appearance on this players pick. Course you are, are you? Are you guys kidding me? They called it a little. It's not name calling it a pick. It's only think it's a rub. There you mean to tell me if the Patriots ran that play on offense. You'd be saying the same thing, yeah! I. Celebrate the touchdown because it's been called, but it's only on. Actively get in the way the player you did him. Randy rather not so much. No was waiting. All alone so much so that the is a bad play by turns Shaw. It was, but it was still an illegal pick black now. I fucking I can't believe I can't believe you guys bring that out I. usually usually I can tell when you're going to be like. The Patriots got shaft. Get on this. Now and never even crossed my mind. I spent. Matting called out, he called it a little pick. Off. Pick what he didn't say a little rub. Did well, he would've called it what it is. was that illegal back I not. I don't know. He might have got away with a little pick I feel I. Feel like Tape Steve I feel like it was illegal, but it wasn't as. As focused on back in the should never go called. Yeah, so I mean it's a touch of irony council. Fuck it patriots battle through that. Ricky parole the. He of dynasty fame scores a touchdown. Shampoos his way into the entry, but that's that's right. Pros commando. Now we've got ourselves tie game with how much time left under a minute. One on thirty seven. It took yeah. It took them a total of like twenty four seconds to score that. Plays Three plays eighteen eleven twenty six saw. That kind of puts in context what you're thinking of when Madden's like Maybe they should be doing this. You throw three incompletions. And Punt. Exact. Flip side to that is like good overtime like. What's going to happen there to wreck exactly? Yeah, that makes sense because it's like you just got a win it now you put your you. Did everything right to get here. Put yourself in a position to win this game. He can't. Back Down now you know I had A. Not Football. 'cause he talked about that. He said the yet to let them all hang out Well that is. Happening that's a real one. Yeah. Let Them I mean that's what we're talking about their right. Yeah, no, he's the John. Madden said you've got a flop. You're talking. Let's go just let them hang baby, but a I've never really whenever I hear that term I think like Saggy titties in my head. Not what. I mean. Yeah, that's the female. Them hang out I. Mean Your balls. then. What what are you doing? You just pull them around your cock and. You let everything hang out, but it's mainly the balls. 'cause I'll do that Swang. I'll do it. Everything I. Did I. Ever Tell you time that before. Kelly and I were dating and always at her apartment when she wasn't there because we were friends obviously. and. She had left her laptop open.