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THE WOMAN IN RED Anita Garibaldi

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47:42 min | 8 months ago

THE WOMAN IN RED Anita Garibaldi

"This episode is sponsored by girls can create girls can create is a unique subscription box inspiring girls to believe that they can be and do anything. How do they do it like us? Girls can create believes that real women. Make the best heroes and every month they delivered to your doorstep. This episode is also supported by our patriot. Supporters Sean Tell Oliver Jamie Laying Mandy booty and Yvonne. Murray were so grateful for all our patrons. We couldn't make the podcast without you Hi Katie Hi Olivia. I think I know the answer to this question but I'm not sure. Do you believe in destiny What do you mean my destiny? Do you mean like fate. You can't escape. I guess the question is what do you think destiny means and do you believe in it. Do you believe in fate to can't escape or I used to but I don't anymore Her husband does. He's a determinist really. I have converted to free well. Interestingly yeah so there's the idea of destiny that's like you are meant for something in this world and the universe is gonNA steer you that way but right termism is more like there are causes and effects in the universe and everything is a well oiled machine and totally predictable if if you knew all the relevant pieces. So that's determinism. It's like to me it kind of it feels like the opposite of destiny. Because it's not like right. You think you're making choices but everything is happening because of what happened before. Yeah exactly so. It's not like things happen for a reason is dead. It's like things happen because of the endless string of causes and effects that go all the way back to the beginning of time but I also don't believe that I don't believe either I don't believe in destiny or determine reading a lot more about theories about space time and The Block universe and I think there's re- well I I do I believe We make choices take that philosophers who I think I for a long time believed halfway in destiny just enough to give myself extreme anxiety that I believed I was meant to accomplish some big thing but I didn't believe in destiny enough to believe that it would happen without me doing it home. It was meant to happen but I was. GonNa screw it up. Somehow I was GONNA be Frodo that quit new and destroy the world sad pretty sad and it was very freeing to kind of realize. I think that maybe people just choose things you don't have to fulfil some purpose. Maybe you can just choose what you want to do. People choose yes a large purpose if they want one if they want one. That reminds me of emily shuttle. Thanks Leslie Gordon. Thing is to be clear about what one wants to be and what one wants to do and this is what almost all people lack. Yes I was actually thinking about her. A lot in this one because seeing emily to go. I want to go live in a ramshackle rundown villa and do science. That was just because yeah people should do what they want. If it doesn't hurt someone and let myself off the hook and let everyone off the hook of you have to somehow discover the secret path that you're supposed to follow and follow it. Yeah it's much losing produce you know this halfway belief in destiny was probably pretty much the worst place for me to lay right on this mental health and productivity wise? Right the woman that we're GonNa talk about today absolutely believed in destiny She believed in destiny to the extent that she was absolutely fearless that she would ride her horse directly into cannon fire knowing that nothing was going to stop her from fulfilling her destiny So that's the freedom of being full on destiny. Yeah whatever way. You know that it's going to happen. You can do whatever you need to do. Yeah that sounds freeing immensely reassuring and empowering. Yeah if you truly believe that you know what you need to accomplish and that God is on your side and nothing will stop you. Nothing will stop you and for this woman. It worked this belief in her own invulnerability. Got Her through some pretty astonishing circumstances. I'm Olivia Michael and I'm Katy Nelson and this is what's her name fascinating women you've never heard of. So the woman we are talking about today is named Anita Garibaldi. Oh have you ever heard of her? No well there's a whole bunch of places and streets in Italy right It's like A. Yeah her Paul the Square and St and yes how many streets and squares descend also a statue on Genyk Ulama Hill in Rome and it is one of the coolest statues of a woman that I have ever seen. I haven't seen it. I mean I've seen a lot of statues in Rome. It's definitely the most active statue of a woman. I have ever seen aside from. Maybe a Greek goddess. Any Air Baldy was born on a Maria Rivera Silva Wow yes in Brazil. Okay in eighteen. Twenty one she was a Gaucho which is essentially cowboy. A cowboy. Wow she is from Akao Joe Family in Brazil. That's where cowboys came from in the. Us was importing this data culture. Okay from South America And she absolutely loved this lifestyle. She was wild and reckless and her mother despaired of her she was riding horses shooting. Gunson roping cattle and she loved it somehow extremely skilled at all cowgirls Skills Lover Already incidentally eighteen twenty one that year she was born. That's the year that BOO boo. Lena started the Greek Revolution on the other side of the ocean. Oh that's interesting because she is also reminds me of booby. Lena and there's a few things come up links to bellina cool. They were definitely sisters at heart. Toss him to learn more about an easy Garibaldi. I talked to Diana Giovinazzo. Who is the author of a book coming out in August called the woman in red told from the perspective of Anita do which I highly recommend? Everybody needs to preorder right now. Hi I'm Diana Giovinazzo and I'm the author of the woman and read a novel about Anita Garibaldi. She is also the host of the wine. Women words. Podcast I'll call I was initially researching my own heritage. 'cause you know obviously with the lesson like Jovan out so if you can't tell him Italian and I was just so fascinated by her when I came across her story this. Here's a woman who I never heard of who had such an impact on three different countries. Who is just amazing? In her story was never told from her perspective or from a woman's perspective. Her biographer was male the people who write about Giuseppe Garibaldi. They're mostly male some of the stuff that they say. It's very contradictory. Mother is just blatantly. Not True when Anita Garibaldi was twelve years old her father died leaving her mother and Anita and her two sisters alone now nineteenth century Brazil. Not a great place for women to be on their own and her mother. Mary's off her two older sisters quickly and moves with twelve year old Anita to Laguna. Which if people know is the place the famous port in. Brazil where the dolphins chase the fish in for the fishermen every day for hundreds of years. There's this pod of dolphins that come and chase all of the fish into the bay for the fishermen to catch and when Anita is fourteen. Her mother tells her that she has to marry. This is young even for this time for her to be marrying. Her mother thought that by marrying her off. She team her. Her mother said something very startling to her on her wedding day that she had the look of men in her eyes and it scared her mother. Oh what does that mean? I don't know what that means. Yeah it must be independence or refusal to be cowed. Yeah whatever it was. It scared her mom so she married her off to a much older man. A drunken cobbler. This goes about as well as one might assume this would go. She hated it. She considered it to be a former slavery in her opinion and it was a terrible marriage. She eventually ended up leaving him. And we'll be back in with her mother but they were still technically married. People like to downsize. The child died much later in her life. Anita Garibaldi was in confession with a priest and he asked her about this early marriage and asked her if the marriage was consummated and she had to ask him what that meant because she didn't even know what that word myths he you know. I'm sure very awkwardly explained and she said Oh that yeah we did that. It was terrible. So though her male biographers have tried to downplay this marriage it was a Trotha or it wasn't real marriage. Anita's own words. It very clear this was a marriage and it was terrible This place anti in which Anita Garibaldi is. Living is an extremely tumultuous time for Brazil. If you look at the history of Brazil there are wars every two years for her life but in eighteen thirty five one of the most historically important wars in. Brazil is just starting off and it's known as the Ragamuffin War and it stems from reaggravated the soul. This really unique area in southern Brazil and they broke away from the rest of herself and the Gauchos rose up against the government and they're called the ragamuffins because their clothes all tattered and torn and it kind of is a good thing for Nita which is said to think that wars end up being a good thing for people but for her. It was fortunate for her because her husband. Whose name was Manuel he decides. He's going to go off enjoying the imperial Brazilian army and at this time. Or she was warhead really come to Laguna so he leaves takes off and she's on thrown and so she kinda has this period where she's working cleaning houses and she's working in a local hospital. P- and she's starting to get a little radicalized by the ideas of freedom and not being oppressed by government and then on a fateful day destiny destiny intervenes Giuseppi Garibaldi sales in to Laguna. Happy is quite a character already. He's very high and so we'll ask. He gets expelled from Italy. They kick them out for causing problems with the Austrians. Because at this point Italy isn't really even a country. It's just a peninsula where you have a kingdom in the south called the Kingdom of the two Sicily's and then you have Austria to the north and he starts causing problems for the Austrians. Has HIS DREAMS HAVE A UNIFIED ITALY? So he goes to. France gets kicked out of France boards. A ship causes a mutiny on the ship sails around North Africa on this ship that he has taken over and eventually ends up in South America. Because he's heard from some of his Italian friends that there's a Lotta great revolutions happening. He is just sort of an adventurer out looking for a fight He is a mercenary. Essentially a gun for hire and willing to go in and start up a revolution anywhere Legend says as sales into the port at Laguna. He sees this woman standing on a balcony. She is the most beautiful woman he has ever seen in his life shouts out. She must be mine. He dives overboard off. The SHIP SWIMS INTO THE PORTS. Runs up to her balcony. Rose her over his shoulder ties back into the water and they sail away from the south. Don't tell me any other version. That's the version moving on. It is the ultimate nineteenth century. Romantic story vets wildly terrifying to our twenty first century but this woman was Anita Silva and though he may not have dived into the water in snatched rush he definitely did see her on the balcony as he sailed in and he definitely did say who is she. She must be mine. Okay and then find a way to find her. Okay I'll take it. And so he starts making a quarries and he needs her through mutual friends but she was still married. They had this affair that they tried to keep secret. Their revolutionary rebel spirit. So they don't care right right they don't care but she's eighteen and living with her mother so she cares enough to try to keep it secret for a while. He is thirty so I serve a age difference than her previous husband still maybe not ideal but common at the time normal for the time eventually the affair becomes public. Her family is furious and so she runs off with him into the war. Yes the Ragamuffin. More is raging. He's anxious to get involved. She is fully equipped with all the skills necessary to be successful in a nineteenth century. War I she can shoot. She can ride. She's fearless and so off. They go awesome. They truly seem to have been incredibly devoted the way that they speak about one another the way that they treated one another the way that he spoke about her throughout his life even after her death was really amazing and unusual for the time period. He called her the queen of his soul and they really seem to have been passionately devoted to another so off. They go on his ship. Maybe the same one that he stolen a mutiny. I'm not sure she is actively involved in seabattle 's and they are headfirst into this Ragamuffin Rebellin. So there's that Boo Boo Lena. Connection again exactly Faring Warrior woman. Yeah no one else is GonNa do it. Oh do and off. She goes mainly because of her Gaucho. Background I just like I can shoot a gun. I can be a sailor yours. Nothing to it and then they end up. Losing the battle go now. They ended up going into Rio grounded. A soul and the fight through that and it is during one of these battles that this absolutely astonishing story takes place during a major battle. Anita is right. In the thick of it is on horseback. She's writing around the battlefield directing lines in the middle of this battle. Things go badly. She decides she has to get off the field and so she barrels directly at the opposing army their cannons there gunfire all of their soldiers and just runs right through the middle of their line. Why because destiny? Why run away when you know you're going to win. She knew she had a glorious destiny to fulfill she's untouchable. And if need to get off the field why not go out the most glorious way possible take out as many people from their line as you can on the way out gun in hand shooting her way through the lines. Wow and in the course of this wild attacks. She is captured and waiting in the tent. The opposing army officials come in. They know exactly who she is. They come in to announce to her do sappy. Garibaldi has been killed and she needs to give up and put her safety in their hands and then they produce his Poncho and it is covered in blood and she's terrified maybe he died. This is impossible. How could this have happened? And she says fine. I'll tell you what you need to know but you gotta show me my husband's body. This is not enough for me for a moment. There's a panic and then they're like okay. You can go search the battlefield. We don't have it. You have to go search for it thinking that she's going to give up on this and she calls her bluff and she's out there searching the battlefields for his body looking at every dead body trying to find her husband hundreds of and she doesn't find him instead and once realizes he's not dead they don't have him she escapes. Yeah they have soup. Ridley allowed her to leave. The tents go search for her husband's body. She takes off. Yeah she feels a horse and gallops away soldiers are chasing her. There are under orders to bring her back dead or alive. Her horse gets shot out from under her. No and she fall from her horse. The horse rolls on top of her. She somehow escapes on foot from the oncoming soldiers and runs directly into the river soldiers. No there's no way she's gonNA survive this river. It's way too fast. It's way too deep. So they leave. She's not that of course doesn't mean we'll never allow her today in this way and she spends four days wandering around the wilderness trying to find gio sadly with no food or water in the forest. She finally finds a couple of little old ladies who give her food and offered a shelter her for one night and finally is able to discover where he is and is finally reunited with him the next day and go straight BACK INTO BATTLE. The ultimate action hero. She truly is. Oh did I mention that? She's eight months pregnant during all of this. Did I forget Chumash? That did you did not mention that. Now I have to recast the whole thing in my mind. Yes when she's charging into the Canon horses shot out the worst running. They're telling you to go search for the dead bodies that must be why they let her go and serve as they're like. This is a pregnant lady. She's not going anywhere not do they underestimated Anita Garibaldi. Now I just. I've been pregnant three times and I can't even imagine getting on a horse. Yeah let alone in a battle it. She must absolutely have been sure That her destiny was assured. Nothing was cost oppor. Even being told that her partner in destiny was dead was not going to derail her faith that this was meant and nothing was going to stop them. They were revolutionary heroes. And they were going to change the world Let's pause for just a second. Thank OUR SPONSOR. Girls can create at girls can create. Our mission is to inspire girls to believe that they can be and do anything. Every month they deliver a fearless female role model to your door or to your inbox. Every crate features an inspiring woman and her own unique story of why she's awesome a twenty eight page activity book. Plus everything you would need to complete two or three hands on steam activities and more. I love their new digital subscriptions which come straight to your inbox. It comes with a colorful printable notebook. 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Later the way he describes this adventure her just absolutely a goddess of war. He talks about her as the you know. The army is coming across the river Under fire under Kantar. Everyone else's huddled down hiding in the boats and she is standing upright in front of the boat with her gun outstretched. Just absolutely fear you will not be cowed and nothing will stop her. Which again bellina this vote just refusing but apparently this isn't just artistic license. She actually did. He actually crossed the river George. Washington's style standing upright and didn't get killed. Yeah I mean. Of course she believed in destiny because she should been killed constantly and she'd never died awesome. It's astonishing what she'd lived through so as the Uruguayan war lines down Giuseppe is out that he is now free to come back to Italy and pursue his dream of a united Italy and so off they go the Airbus on their children to start the next war and as they arrive in Italy she again dives right in. She's campaigning with the people to join in. Do you separate care about the revolutionary plan. And she's basically running PR for his war. Oh Wow convincing. All of the people to come and join in from Brazil and they're in Italy and she's wildly successful so she has learned. Italian has now started to learn to read and write. She is has never learned to read and write. Whoa so she's doing all of this gene being unable to read and write. And Gosh so she ends up. They go from there to his home. Which is he was born and raised in which is now niece France. And that's where the children ended up staying for most time and she starts going back and forth to do the campaign stomping but also she starts fighting on the front. She dresses up as a man to fight for the first time. Oh she was just maybe so well known in South America that she would just fight as herself but in Italy she starts dressing as a man. Oh interesting to fight. Maybe like Italian. Men couldn't handle a woman. Yeah I don't know if people knew she was Anita Garibaldi dressed as a man or if she was actually trying to pass as a man but we do have an amazing photograph of her in her men's clothes at this point to Seppi Garibaldi. These goals are you know modest small. He just wants to completely take over the papal states unify Italy. You know take over. Parts of France and Austria create an entirely New People's revolution. I it's it's a small town but he is determined to push the pope out of Rome. Oh he is determined to create a secular state and that the Catholic Church should not be in a position of government. This is a fairly big deal at this point when all of Rome is a papal states. But they do it. They succeed and they form the first Roman Republic in thousands of years. Tako her own. They kick the Pope and the Catholic Church out of Rome and they take over Rome and declare it the Roman Republic. Wow that is full. On Revolution absolutely revolution and four year. Rome is an independent republic and the other nearby countries aren't too happy about this. You might guess that in this time of spreading revolution. They don't exactly want this going on. And so France and Austria both come raging in to fight against the revolutionaries to very Catholic countries and after a very long siege and a whole lot of history. That again I'm neither qualified nor have time to discuss. The Red Shirts are defeated. Rome falls to the French army and on the retreat out of Rome. Anita Garibaldi catches. What was probably malaria? And she dies on the retreats from Rome at the age of twenty eight she died is on retreat from Rome and they had to bury her just outside of Norby. Now some unfortunate things have been. She gets dug up by dogs and they ended up. They had to cremate her and they put her to rest and it's not a great anding no for her and do Sepe Garibaldi again. Talking about having to leave her in this grave in the shallow grave while they're retreating. Who talked about it? As leaving behind the treasurer of his life the Queen of his soul and he is just shattered this but that is not the end for care. Ball these ashes this or her legacy because she is still recognized as the mother of Italy then she and she is happy created. Italy they together. Yeah they unified a bunch of small kingdoms and papal states and stuck together a country that is a very handy legacy for future people to have used Ha and so in the nineteen thirties. When Mussalini is also waging culture ward and a literal war against the pope? This is a very convenient sewri to take up. Oh as justification and historical predecessor That he can claim just considered in many ways to be like the mother of Italy and they already have his remains. He's buried in Sardinia off the coast of Italy and so they had everything they could of him. In here there was this hero revered mother figure and she was buried in France. You know this is a way for him to bring home this hero. Connect himself to the Unification Story. This point there is already a magnificent statue on Genetic Elam Hill. To Giuseppe Garibaldi. And the pope asked Mussalini to take it down. Oh that shouldn't be there He unseated the pope. He's not a hero. And please take the statue down and Mussalini says actually in fact I am going to put another statue of Anita Garibaldi on the same hill because they were grades. And you don't boss me around so he not only builds this incredible statue of Anita Garibaldi. He sends for her ashes. Well which are now in niece they need to be in. Italy goes and gets her ashes from niece and her ashes are now inside the statue of her. It is also her grave and now instead of justice. Atchoo of Giuseppe Garibaldi. There is this incredible statue of Anita Garibaldi. On her horse gun in hand back just I mean it. Looks like the most fantastic fantasy cowboy art you've ever seen and it's unbelievable. I've never seen a woman depicted like this old woman in a statue and it's amazing. Wow a gorgeous piece of art but it's also so complicated because its most who built it. Yeah coopting this legacy has nothing to do with what he's doing to justify his fascist regime and he really tried to style himself after the all these Garibaldi Army. Where the red shirts he calls his army the blackshirts he is invoking. This legacy of this heroic coppell Over and over again to solidify his position yeah classic when he probably would have hated Anita Garibaldi because his fascist regime is immensely misogynous. Yeah and yet. Even in invoking her such an odd statue for him to choose because in the way he talked about Anita Garibaldi. It was always about her as mother. Mother of her mother of the Nation Pass in traditional mothering. Figure which is the opposite of everything that she was. They emphasize the mother aspect. For like when you see her. The foot of Giuseppi Statue. They really emphasized the mother of her. I don't think she would have been too fond of him. That's interesting so like if they were presenting her as mother. You'd expect a statue would be motherly. Yeah but don't cheese instead. She's this airtight time Roic. Yeah it's so fascinating and I just the psychology of choices so interesting you know. It does the first time I saw my gut response before I knew anything about her was. Yeah just yes. She is awesome. I don't even care who she is. And so I'm sure it worked on that level fearlessly confronting the enemy but but what a complicated legacy now for her to have this dual legacy of what she really did and the way she was used and literally the way her body was used after her death To to signify nationalistic goals. That didn't align at all with her nationalistic goals and and for a nation that she is not from. The mother of Italy is Brazilian. That's that's amazing. Yeah a Brazilian Gaucho. And did she have any nationalistic goals rushing in all kinds of countries everywhere? If she just a fighter yeah he's if he's Han Solo and and of course she gets marginalized and left out of the story in in all of the men writing about her now. Finally with people like Dianne over not so when people trying to bring her story back we have the true story. But if he's Han Solo. Who is she she yeah? She's not Princess Leia. We don't have a female Han Solo. We don't have an icon. We don't have an Avatar for that. Maybe that's why it's so complicated. Mussalini to take her story. Because how do you tell this story? What even isn't story. I guess he created the Avatar a fierce horse with a gun which you we don't have an Avatar for that but right they have one in Greece. Yeah Yeah they've got sees the Avatar. She is in Greece. Your boob Alina in Brazil in Uruguay and in Italy. You're at any DIG Air Ball. So what are the sources we have on her to know her real story right because she she couldn't read or write off so she didn't write her life down in this case we must all be incredibly grateful for gossip and for unethical. Priests she had this conversation with a woman named Feliciana and Feliciana. You gotTa love that Little Dos from the nineteen th century. Because thanks to her. We have the record of her. In her own words she talked to Anita go home and scribbled down her whole conversation. That was such a treasure for me especially in writing this book. She just started talking to this neighbor and they would meet for coffee and just discuss their lives and Donna was so staggered by the stories. Coming out of this woman that every time they would meet she would run home and write them down right down. Anita gear have all these words in her journal? And say you won't believe what. Anita told me today and now we have this incredible first-person archive of an how Anita her own life. Oh cool and that's the source material that Dan was able to use to uncover some of these things that have never been told or that have been told wrong or that has been downplayed or race cool and then in a moderately unethical turn. We also have her confession to the priests that we mentioned earlier. T. should not happen sharing with laundering. How do we know that? But he did. And this confession actually came about because in her conversations with Feliciana. It came up that she wasn't actually married teaches at the and Feliciano had a panic attack about that. 'cause she's a good. Catholic woman and so she got this priest involved and a scheme to get Giuseppe and Anita married and when she went in to talk to the priest about everything the priest asked her to confess their sins and out of that comes the last story. I wanted to talk about which I think is fascinating and heartbreaking and incredibly illuminating at also incredibly unsettling a whatever this priest expected to hear. I don't think it was this. She said I WANNA impress in Vanity. And he was kinda thrown off by this because she was not as bait long and that's when she tells a story about what happened in the battlefield from her perspective. It wasn't about just finding her husband's body additive. Ocean it was what if he is dead and if he was fed she could have a life of her own apart from him she could be just as famous as him and those were the thoughts that were going through her mind when she was eight months pregnant on the battlefield. People to know my name. Wow now bearing in mind everything that we know about this marriage that this was a devoted passionate absolutely loving marriage. This story is confounding I think it it really demonstrates how desperate someone can beat to be known for themselves to be their own agent to be recognized for their own individual identity instead of as an adjunct. Yeah few something else that even in this apparently happiest of marriages most devoted and loving marriage. She feels so overshadow under her husband's name that her worst sin she can confess. Is that for a moment? She thought about what it might be like to be known for herself. Wow I can't stop thinking about it because it's so complicated And you can imagine this poor priest trying to deal with this. This is how many hail Marys for wanting to be what a light she had. And even though this belief in destiny saved her life over and over and made her the terrifying warrior it really seems to have also tracked her in this belief that that her destiny was so inextricably tied to gop destiny. Yeah Yeah I don't know how to think about this. Yeah did she want this destiny for did she feel stuck in it? Yeah maybe a belief in destiny is comforting in that way like you were talking about at the beginning. Yeah couldn't have been anything different. It's useless to think about what might have because because destiny. Put me here interesting. Because she's the heroine of two continents. Yeah but almost like there. Is this disconnect between the two where Italy sees her very much as the bone and Oh yes. She's Brazilian and Brazil and Uruguay. See Her as their own and she goes up to all of those places claim her yeah and sort of disregard the other half of her life that she is a Brazilian hero. Who and they barely mentioned the Italy stuff. She is the mother of Italy. Yeah no mention is made of her Brazilian experience that need to claim an icon. Right make her hours and make her uncomplicated. Yeah is never clearer when two people are doing it at the same time And that the truth of that very complicated double icon. Legacy is way more interesting. So that's why I run should read the book. It'll be release on August fifth. Which is the anniversary of the day that Anita Garibaldi died? Oh I'm glad she has a statue. She has several statues. She has a statue. Laguna has a statue in Uruguay. Just two statues in Italy. That's awesome as you said. There are streets named after her that she does have her story in these places and that the rest of us just need to start paying. Attention awesome huge. Thanks today Hanadova. Also whose novel. The woman in red comes out on August fifth and our intern Isabella Martinez. If you'd like to learn more about Anita Garibaldi and find links to books photographs pictures of the amazing statue and several other statues of Anita Garibaldi. That we were talking about visit our website at what's your name. Podcast DOT COM there. You can also sign up to become one of our patriots supporters. You could support us for little as a dollar a month and we have great. 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06:03 min | 8 months ago

March Madness: Santa Anita Horse Deaths

"WELCOME TO SPORTS CRIMINALS. March madness special every day in March. Where counting down the top. Thirty One. Sports scandals of the past thirty one years. This is our penultimate episode. And unfortunately it's a sad one. It covers the mysterious deaths of horses at the Santa Anita Race. Track during two thousand nineteen and be sure to come back tomorrow for the last day of March madness. Special this free on spotify or wherever. You get your podcasts March. Thirty first two thousand nineteen at the Santa Anita Racetrack in Arcadia California the San Simeon stakes horse race was well underway the greed. Three competition at Santa Anita Park was shaping up to be yet another exciting outing but not for the right reasons as the competitor sped into the final turn. The horse named arms runner tripped and fell into the dirt as the animal went down. Horse named Lazar Dane fell with it. Miraculously loss Dane was unscathed. Arms runner on the other hand suffered a broken ankle. When the track cleared arms runner was taken to the stables and euthanized. It was the twenty third horse death at Santa Anita in three months and it wouldn't be the last welcome to sports criminals. Par cast original. This is the thirtieth episode in March Madness. Special non this month. We're counting down the top thirty one sports scandals from nineteen ninety. Two Thousand Twenty. I'm Carter Roy and I'm Tim Johnson in today's episode. We're going back to two thousand nineteen when Santa Anita Park experienced dramatic increase in horse deaths. Racehorse deaths are not uncommon between two thousand nine and two thousand eighteen over six thousand horses died in America but in two thousand eighteen the death rate dropped thirty seven percent. It was a hopeful. Sign that the sport was getting safer. Then at the beginning of two thousand nineteen things took a dark turn at a race track in southern located about seventeen miles from downtown Los Angeles Santa Anita Park had been in operation for over eighty years legendary horses like Seabiscuit Secretary and John. Henry all famously kicked up. Santa Anita's dirt as they charged victory but in early two thousand nineteen the historic race track was struck with a crisis from December twenty. Sixth two thousand eighteen to March second two thousand nineteen twenty horses died nine out of ten times the Horse was euthanized after a serious injury. When a horse brexit's ankle or leg it has a difficult time sitting still long enough to let the bones heal and because these majestic creatures can weigh over one thousand pounds. Even a healed leg has trouble supporting so much pressure. Re Breaking the original fracture is a major risk rather than subjecting. The animals to excruciating. Pain veterinarians generally agree. That it's more humane to euthanize them. However horse racing officials had no idea what was causing so many horses at Santa Anita to suffer these life ending injuries. The problem was so severe. The park had to temporary shut down for the first time in its storied. History many believed that the abnormally rainy winter was to blame. They suspected the dirt track had become too soft after three weeks of investigation. New Rules and regulations were put into place and the park was reopened at the end of March. However the horse deaths continued by the end of. May Ten more horses died with the sunny so cal summer in full swing course conditions were no longer a concern instead. Training tactics went under the microscope. Apparently four of the horses who died were trained by Hall of Famer Jerry Holland door for despite his impressive record in June. Two thousand nineteen all indoor for received a lifetime ban on all tracks owned by Santa Anita's parent company the stronach group and yet the deaths continue to mount. It seems like hall door wasn't the only trainer using dangerous methods but in their December two thousand nineteen report. The Los Angeles District Attorney's Office concluded that there was no evidence of animal cruelty or criminal activity taking place at Santa Anita. Instead the report recommended the continued implementation of new rules for the animal safety as well as harsher penalties for those who violated them. Some of the rules put into effect included restrictions on steroids race day medications and anti inflammatory drugs. Despite the increase in rules the death still continued at an alarming rate. In the first two months twenty twenty nine horses were euthanized. After sustaining injuries bringing the toll to nearly fifty since December two thousand eighteen time will ultimately tell the new regulations put an end to horse deaths at Santa Anita but if they continue to escalate public outcry may close the famed race. Track for good. Thanks for listening to sports. Criminals March madness. We'll be back tomorrow. Our final scandal. You can catch our other episodes of sports criminals for free on spotify or wherever US podcasts.

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Ep 119: A Likely Friendship

Court Junkie

54:46 min | 4 months ago

Ep 119: A Likely Friendship

"Kimberly Boone and Anita Smith. He had become fast friends. They had plenty in common. They both lived in affluent seminole county. About forty minutes from Walt Disneyworld they were about the same age in their forties. They were both working moms and were married to men who shared the same name Robert. and. They were both inmates facing punishments for similar crimes. In seminole county jail where the two women were each held in custody at one point Anita and Kimberly got to know each other. Anita was out on bail before her trial, but the two women still stayed in touch and regularly spoke on the phone over several months in two thousand twelve. Hello, you have a prepaid call from amber. Dave vintage about attorneys in what they felt were disappointing legal developments they gossiped about the prosecutors and other inmates, and mused about their family members, seeing their mugshots on mugshots dot com. That's not my second one. We'd be better, you know, but. I. Don't know I was just getting ready to look up when they call picture this time like I was like well I. Think Mine is my second. One looks better, but I don't know which ones on there I was just kinda like yeah I. Really Neighbors Yeah, either one of mine don't need to be. Seen by any other SHEMA. Is Terrible. It's like actually he should doesn't look too bad like she knows a see I, what I think is bad. Is the camera like they don't tell you that? The camera is like six feet above you exactly, so of course you look evil, because you're looking straightforward, yeah! Exactly I'm like that's not fair, might not. Encouraged each other to keep going as they both felt alone with their pending criminal cases. The two women's conversations were recorded and monitored by prosecutors who listened in to see if Anita or kimberly divulged more. Times. The phone calls. You'll hear throughout. This episode were published by Multiple News outlets after the story of their friendship I broke in two thousand fifteen. And so today we're going to take a look behind the scenes at the two women's cases as they made their way through the criminal justice system. This is Gillian and you're listening to court junkie episode, One nineteen. Have, you guys heard about Rossi's this company that makes stylish sustainable shoes and bags made for life on the go there carefully crafted with ECO friendly materials like re purposed plastic water bottles and marine, plastic. Ralphie's shoes are incredibly comfortable with zero break. In period, thanks to their seamlessly nick design with lots of chic styles to choose from Rossi shoes are the perfect pair for well really anything. I got the Chelsea style in Berry lattice stitch and I wear them with everything dresses, jeans, shorts, leggings specially leggings lately. 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A man inside the House Robert Klein the third. Anita's estranged husband was dead. Lieutenant Dennis. Bell a veteran of the veto police department saw Roberts naked body face down in the budget. Roberts left hand was by a knife, but the murder weapon. A gun was covered up by bed sheets on the bed. It was a chaotic scene. The families skittish pets ran around the house. The couple's children were at the home to as please began to investigate what happened. Lieutenant Bell Noticed Roberts close in the living room, he observed a wine glass in the bedroom and a Tequila bottle on the kitchen counter. Things just weren't adding up. There wasn't any sign of forced entry to the House Lieutenant Bell said in his deposition taken in April of two thousand eleven. He asked the fire battalion chiefs opinion could need his injuries. Be Self inflicted. Lieutenant Ballast signed a police officer to ride in the ambulance with Anita and accompany her. He rarely sent a police escort to the hospital, but is department appeared to be investigating a homicide now. Bag Anita's hands. Lieutenant Bell instructed the officer and don't let her out of your sight. Anita might be the primary witness to a homicide lieutenant. Bell thought so. He wanted to get her statement. He also wanted to save any trace evidence whether she had been assaulted in had evidence under her fingernails, or if Anita had fired the gun. Anita complained about being under the polices, watchful eye and one of her conversations with Kimberly. So sneaky. God lease officers. Back in the annual behind me. Behind me, Nazia a word. Mental notes on what I said. That against it is sneaky but is. Not ask the paramedics. Because that's huge thing. Here because you want talking to him and they're like. What did you take notes and you know? What I mean like I can't believe that that's like they've you know. In the emergency room. Anita's diagnosis wasn't life threatening. She had scratches swollen, left eye, a chipped tooth, and the most prominent injury, a knife wound on her lower abdomen. It was a shallow wound, not deep more like a slash or a slice, instead of his stab wound described Dr Predrag Bullock, the chief medical examiner in Saint John's Coney, who later reviewed Anita's medical records? Every time as a forensic pathologist I see a lot of injuries, but there inflicted by other people to other people, and there's always a severe depth to it and severe loss of blood, and so there's always determination behind that Dr. Bullock said during his December two thousand eleven deposition. But in Anita's case, the doctor confirmed lieutenant bells suspicions Anita's wounds were self inflicted. If it's committed by the same person then there's always a hesitation because of the pain. The person who holds the knife is afraid of the pain, and it does only shallow injuries. The doctor said. He observed evidence of rough sex, but Dr Bullock said it was quote absolutely not possible to tell whether it was consensual or nonconsensual. What he did, no was. It would be painful. Robert Stuff marked the violent end of a troubled relationship. Leeann set a tall, a neighbor who had built a rapport with both Robert and Anita, and who regularly watched their children was privy to many of the couples secrets. She witnessed some of the troubling signs herself. At first, the couple's life together seemed promising, Robert and Anita who had both been married before. We're starting a new life together and raising their blended family of four children. They both had two children from prior relationships. They appear to be inseparable. Leeann said in her January, two thousand twelve deposition Robert was always. They're always at her side. They seemed to be happily wedded newlyweds. But there was stress building in the marriage. Robert whose background was in the military, was a no nonsense father. He was the strict rule enforcer of the households while Anita and the other hand was more fun loving and relaxed. Her Co worker described her as sunny and upbeat. Anita Lake to throw parties. Sometimes they're different. Personalities clashed. They began to fight about money about Robert's sister Belinda, who seemed to favour Roberts children over Anita's at least in Anita's is. And they thought about the everyday problems of parenting like one of the kids using too much hot water in the shower, or about how much supervision the younger children needed. Anita complained about her husband's troubling behavior, and what had become a disharmonious households Leeann testified. You could tell it vibe through the whole. House Leeann said I could feel it. It was tense. Anita told me a lot about his controlling behavior. They were always fighting if they weren't fighting. Even when she went to work, they were fighting over the telephone or they would textile day. Friends described Robert as domineering and controlling. Anita's co-worker said Robert gave her the creeps. She remembered an awkward encounter when she visited Anita to help get ready for her daughter's birthday party. He did not want me in the house. Instead of giving his girl time every time I was in a room with Anita he would be in the background. Just watching, he wasn't very warmer. Welcome ING Milagros. Alicia testified in her deposition. The fights in Anita's Roberts relationship were escalating. Robert pushed her put holes in the walls and accused her of cheating Anita. Told Leeann according to court records. Leeann witnessed the aftermath of fight herself when she went to the home and saw Robert Angry and the children crying hysterically, the police were later called intervene. took a physical toll on Anita. All these signs of complete stress migraine headaches losing weight, not being able to sleep, you could see that she was down and out Leeann said. The best part of their relationship was their sex life Anita confided to Leon, but that wasn't enough to keep the couple living together. Anita wanted to separate which devastated Robert. He said he wasn't ever going to let her go. This is a temporary thing I. wished him luck. Leeann testified actually I was quite encouraging with him that I really hope it works out. The marriage was in jeopardy. But Robert and Anita continued to have an intimate relationship despite living in separate homes. Once again Anita continued to confide in her close friend neighbor Leeann. Leeann testified in her deposition quote. She told me she was trying to wean away. From Robert, that was the only way he wouldn't let her breathe. He kept on coming over and kept on trying to get her back. Every which way it was constant, she was afraid she made it sound like she had no option but to have sex with him. She was trying to dribble away from him rather than just cutting clean and the reason why she did that. She told me was for the kids. She loved all the children. Anita confided to other friends that the sex became rougher. Not Everybody believed Anita's version of the events however. One of Robert's staunchest supporters was his sister Belinda Klein that same sibling who had been a source of conflict during their marriage. Belinda, steak, robbery, the younger brother whom she called, bubba had never been verbally aggressive or physically violent towards anita or anyone quote. My brother was very laid back and easy going he'd give you the shirt off his back, and then he let you take every last item from him in order, said Belinda, who worked as a field training officer for the Volusia County Sheriff's Office. Anita always seemed to find something wrong. Nothing was good enough. She also excelled at playing the victim, which gave her the upper hand in the relationship Belinda said. My brother worked desperately at trying to make her happy in trying to do the right thing, and trying to appease her Belinda said in her April, two thousand eleven deposition. Linda's advice to Robert early on. Find somebody else to Dede's. Robert didn't listen to his big sister. He was in love with Anita. Did Anita Love Robert in the beginning I don't know. Belinda retorted in her deposition still up in the air without one. Linda and her sister-in-law's relationship was clearly icy. Anita gave a president of the children's photographs to Belinda. Then promptly asked for the gifts back. She's into terse message to Belinda. To give identical Christmas presents to all the children, not just. Roberts biological ones. Now that Robert and Anita were splitting up Robert seemed to be handling it well, according to his sister. He said that things were going good around the House that there was calm and the kids were doing better Belinda testified. He knew things needed to just move along the fighting back tears throughout her deposition Belinda remembered her last conversation with her brother shortly before he died and how cheerful he had been. Belinda who carried a gun and had a career in the military law enforcement admitted she was scared of her sister-in-law. I feel that Anita is unstable. I think that she's vindictive. I think that she plotted and murdered brother Olinda said. There's never a bad time to save money. We all agree on that, but now more than ever finding smart ways to put some cash back in your pocket can make a big difference. One Way to do that is to save on the things you already pay for like home insurance. If you own a home, re shopping your home. Insurance rates with policy genius could save you a good chunk of change and the best part. is you barely need to lift a finger to do it? 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Anita sat in the interview room of the Police Department and began to tell authorities what happened in her house that night that led to her estranged husband staff. Robert who had moved out three months ago, walked her front door with a key that he had gotten from his son and a bottle of Tequila. It wasn't unusual on Mondays. He regularly visited her for a rendezvous, and then he would always return back home, according to Anita's arrest affidavit. The tragic evening started out amicably. Took shots of Tequila together and watched an hour of television. They went upstairs to her bedroom and had consensual sex. Anita went to take a shower when she got out of the bathroom Robert was still lying naked on the bed, and that's when Anita told him to leave. Anita told authorities. He wouldn't leave. Instead he grabbed her arm and climbed on top of her. His tone turned angry Robert accused her of cheating on him. Anita told police that Robert grabbed a knife and held it against her throat. When. He went to get coconut oil for lubricant. Anita took her chance in grabbed her thirty eight revolver that she kept in her end table. She said she hid it under her pillow. Robert returned to bed, and they continue to have rough sex. Her defense team said she was raped violently. Anita reached for her gun under her pillow and pointed it at his chest. She ordered him off of her. Robert just laughed. The gun accidentally went off a misfire that hit Robert in the chest. Anita told authorities according to her arrest affidavit. It wasn't a lethal shot. Then Anita intentionally shot him again right in the chest which killed him. He rolled off the bed onto the floor and laid still face down. It was a very traumatic situation for me and I. Don't know maybe I'm filling in the holes because I don't remember what happened I. Don't know, and maybe that's wrong for me to do that. Anita said during her taped interview with police. She tried to recreate that night. In the interview police pressed her to explain her knife wound. She said both she and Robert had grabbed for the knife. Rustling each other for the weapon. One detective asked her straight up if Anita had stabbed herself. I I was holding the knife when it hit, but it was inflicted into me. Yes, needed answered, but his hand was on it to. Later Anita's defense team complained that she was bullied during her police interview and was exhausted without sleep and food. And I never saw any picks in hospital ahead of security in a hospital in today's papers. Oh really I didn't see it. They had a picture of me in the hospital today's paper. Yeah. Maybe well. That's probably a good picture. They've. Strangle marks on your neck, so you know. But the only bad thing you're saying about you if That you admitted that you yourself, but then it also said today that you know just, doesn't we? You didn't know how it happened in. Your lawyer, says you know they were questioned you dribble. They said they kind of put that my they. They said this is what happened. Exactly, and then they. Couldn't get me to say where I did it or how I did it because I was just agreeing with. You know what I I've been thinking about. I have mice theory on how happened? Yeah I. think that he had it. You've got us because you said you managed to get it away from him. And then I think you grab your fan like. kind of pushed toward, but I think. What I what what happened is is. Sort of You know when. He was there. I just remember bringing coconut oil. They're saying actually the bathroom so? That's when I grabbed. Came back, and we fought over, but I kept saying his hand over mind. I couldn't remember that. Authorities didn't believe Anita Story. She was charged with second degree murder. Anita complained it felt like the system was rigged against women like them because you're your upper middle class. And you're you know what I mean like out to get. You and I feel like that's the same thing with me making me a plea deal of thirty years. I'm like really. Gave Erica eight years or whatever and all these other people. Went welling murder that you were eight years and. Cleaning up the crime scene and know what about the crime? They give her three years really. I'm like I just feel like. We have targets on our backs because we were standing. If I if we didn't have any team and we didn't you know Yeah I. Didn't have a job or anything the next excuse us because you know we'll decent looking. You know we right. The Fire Or something. Anita's defense team wanted to make the case that she was immune from prosecution protected because of Florida's stand your ground law because she had acted in Self-defense. Her defence claimed Robert came over to Anita's house, unwelcomed and entered with a key. He had stolen from his son. He then raped her, and cut her with the knife, scratching her cheek and neck, and threatening to kill her. Her defense team said in an August two thousand twelve court motion. What happened to Miss Smithian? Her home is precisely why the legislature passed the stand your ground laws. If a woman is not safe in her home. Then where is she save the motion read? A judge however saw differently seminole county circuit judge Kenneth Lester Junior who had been overseeing another high profile case that George Zimmerman the man accused of murdering Trayvon. Martin denied Anita's motion. The judge ruled Anita hadn't acted in self defense. Anita and Robert were quote very friendly going so far as to have consensual sex, the judge wrote. It appears that the defendant shot Mister Klein out of anger and then staged. The scene presented her testimony to make it seem as if she had been raped. During the critical part of the alleged incident, the defendant appears to have acted in a cool and calculated manner, not in a manner indicating fear of Mr, Klein, the judge went on to say. The. The decision was a blow to the defense I was so disappointed. I just knew for sure that they were gonNA. Start their tape I. Just knew it in my art. I do and I don't know what happened like it like it's just it's so bizarre. I don't even know what happened and I. For talked to the media. What everybody here is like. and this was. This was in her own house, so they should just do away with this ball. Nobody nobody ever gets approved on this. Nobody ever gets off on staying there. They. were. They had a whole article on at one a few weeks ago month to about. The number of people to file for standard and the small percentage better approved for it, and it's just the the dicky. Listen now. You know. And I think them. I heard you always. Know. That hurry yeah. He's not going to get off of around for sure because you didn't. He's not even going for siege around here now. For Interest to me. What's the difference? What is it this thing and It's. All this time Anita had been free on a one hundred thousand dollars bail while she awaited trial. Few people in the world's could understand what she had been through being arrested the police interrogation, the shame, and how her criminal proceedings affected her children. Except for Kimberly Boone. They talked about how their pieces took a toll on their families. Today's my grandma's hundred second birthday. After on the phone. And talked on phone, and I compose myself going to discern college. My grandma doesn't know anything about me. For two and a half years I haven't come, I have bothered. Come visit her. Oh my gosh I know and I'm like what you. Somebody's color the truth. Instead of trying to shelter her investment. And she's a hundred two years old. Like, she could barely big. I love you. And you know she. Got Now. Sorry. sorry that. You didn't even get to finish. With anything. I talked to you and I feel better. At this point, the two women acted more like family than friends. Anita regularly gave money to Kimberly to put in her commissary account and remembered to send a birthday card. She helped Kimberly still in confinement in the county jail. Renew her driver's license and became her power of attorney. And I told her mom, I said once my cases over, and if I get my insurance. I'm. GonNa go hair. Attorney took. Care of her. Get my crap out of the waivers I. He. Trust me. There's nothing I wanNA. Do More than to help you know. I said I just can't do it right now. Yeah, I was like I. can't because they are looking for anything. And Nail my back in jail. Sometimes, their conversations were more lighthearted. They joked about the jailhouse toilets or complained about men and. Aren't they? Were just going to be like hot single. Women over the age, of forty. I JUST WANNA. Love her. Yeah, really. We're going to be tubers. Four years after Robert Stuff Anita's trial began in late, two, thousand, fourteen, in the Sanford Florida courthouse north of Orlando. Anita talked about having the right demeanor as she went up against assistant state attorney Stacey Salman's. I have this stacey. She's mean. percent of my name's mentioned. Here at least it's a woman. It would be hard for me to End Up to a man saying unless you. You know what I mean I still think I. Still I can. I'll be okay. Like I. Think I'll get I'll be you know. And I think more cool and collected. I am six months. You know. Much around the. I'M GONNA cry. Like. Lawrence. Emotional. so you know if you'RE GONNA make? Yeah exactly. Yeah? Never. Know what to do your cry. They're like oh she's been trying to get symphonies. You don't like Oh, she doesn't care. If you cry. They're saying that you're trying to be over emotional. And then if you don't. I didn't think you're coldhearted. That's. Win I. Just gave up I'm just GonNa do what I'm GonNa do. I just gave up I'm. Rob Letter when the sentencing. That I had shown no remorse whatsoever. And what they're trying to save me, but every time they interview anyone. About the remorse thinking like Oh, absolutely, so they can try to say that, but she and Kimberly wants discussed what prison would be like? Hey. What's he doing out a thing what you're doing? I was talking to my My neighbors stairs. Twenty five. Prison for I. Don't know three years for some time drug company. So I. Like really boring. Planning on making a trip there like I don't know. asking. Our stories list. It's not what you see. But both women sounded hopeful that Anita would win. Her child and Kimberly would win an appeal for her past conviction. They talked about going on a vacation together or attending church, where the two women charged with violent crimes against their husbands would surely turn heads in the pews. During her trial Anita did not testify. But the jury heard her frantic nine, one one call and the statements she made to authorities were her story kept changing sometimes, Robert Stabbed, her in the side, or she stabbed herself, or she didn't know how she was hurt. Shirley Rice. A registered nurse testified that during Anita's rape exam, she observed vaginal and anal tears that were evidence of a sexual assaults. Anita watched in the courtroom as St Salman said in the closing arguments that Anita was guilty of second degree murder. The prosecutor argued that any normal person who hit a thirty eight caliber handgun, and hid it under a pillow, and then cockpit, and pressed it against somebody's chest before pulling the trigger would know that it would seriously injure or kill the other person. Was that act done by a way of ill will hatred, spite or evil intent, the defendants own words provide this. She described herself as being angry. The prosecutor said. She portrayed Anita annoyed. That Robert wanted a second sexual encounter that night. Annoyed need to shower a second time annoyed. He was slow in leaving. Her home annoyed that she had to wake up early for work the next morning and would inevitably be tired. Did Robert Rape Anita that night. Absolutely, not the prosecutor insisted. The couple have history of rough but consensual sex. The prosecutor said. They played date rape role playing, but it was clear on this night. Robert had no intention of hurting the woman. He was still legally married to because he went to get lubricant, she said. Anita's defense also got its turn to sway the jury. As I was sitting here, listening to the state's argument, I realized that this case is a lot more than just about what happened. Defense Attorney Rick Jansher began. The defense attorney asked the jury to think of the bigger picture. How does law enforcement in society treat a woman who has been the victim of sexual abuse? Do, we come to a decision in our own minds without any evidence that just because she stated that she had consensual sex with her husband, and that it turned violent that she withdrew consent. Do We then assume that's not true? Do we assume that a woman cannot be raped by her husband, he asked. The defense attorney attacked Talon forcement treated Anita from the very beginning. Ms Smith E had just been brutally assaulted. Brutally raped, she said a knife held to her neck, threatened to be killed and the first thing that happens to you when you go to the hospital for treatment. Is they put bags on your hands bags on your hands? I mean think about that. The defense attorney went on. This is a woman who is in a situation where the person that she had one time loved who she shared children with for three years now all of a sudden violent goes over the top violent and says I could kill you if I wanted to know. Other man is going to. Have you think what was going through her mind at that time and how she reacted. I submit to you, Ladies and gentlemen that the only one who knows what happened that day is Anita. Smith He. The jury deliberated for two and a half hours before reaching a verdict in November two thousand fourteen. Anita Smith. He was guilty. Anita collapsed crying in the courtroom. In February two thousand fifteen, she was sentenced to Foodie years in prison. By the time Kimberly Boone was chatting on the phone with Anita she had been in custody for three and a half years. She was accused of trying to kill her husband. Robert Boone twice in three months. Her first trial stemmed from an incident in March of two thousand nine prosecutors say Kimberly lured her husband outside claiming to hear an intruder. He stood in the driveway to the garage before dawn when she shot him mistaking him for the burglar, she said. Her husband said. It was dark outside. She couldn't be sure who it was. Her defense argued. The jury believed Kimberley's account and ruled. She was not guilty in July two thousand ten. But. She had not won her independence yet. By then the prosecutors were bringing another case against her. This one connected to a suspicious fire that destroyed part of her home three months before she shot her husband. While authorities investigated the shooting. They stumbled upon more evidence that made them reopen the house fire case which the fire marshal had initially ruled as accidental. Just before Christmas, in two thousand eight, Robert took a nap in the couple's bedroom. He remembered before he fell asleep that kimberly had brought him a glass of water and told him that she was going to run errands. He woke up to the sound of the smoke detector, alarm, ringing and fire, blazing from the back wall of the master bedroom. He was groggy and disoriented. He tried to find the children, but they weren't in the house. This smoke surrounded him. He saw the daylight through a window and banged on the pain. Then everything went black. He woke up in the hospital and couldn't remember the neighbor who broke the glass and pulled him out of the Burning House. Kimberly had acted strangely that day. Her family members said. Robert said she took the family's bulldog with her to run errands something she rarely did. And while she was out, Kimberly called Robert's mother, and told her that he was relaxing at home and had lit some candles. An inclusion. Kimberley's mother-in-law told police. The Robert a former firefighter wasn't the kind of Man to light candles and be careless. His children also had asthma. He denied what his wife said. The investigation couldn't determine the origin of the fire. Report showed Robert had xanax in his body a drug. He did not have a prescription for, but that Kimberly did. Authorize probed deeper detectives were aware that the couple's relationship had been rocky for years Robert said Kimberly had been cheating on him. The police confiscated Kimberley's computer for forensic investigation, which showed somebody had searched online for several dozen troubling terms including how to poison. Someone naturally can too much San axe. Stop your heart how to cause a house explosion, and how do fire Marshal's determine the cause of a fire? Police confronted Kimberly with what they had found. Kimberley's is opened very wide seminole county sheriff's detective Jennifer Spears wrote in the investigative report. I observed the color drained from Kimberley's phase and she dropped her head looking down. Kimberley's started fidgeting with her and I thought she was going to be ill. The detective knew this wasn't the first time Kimberly had been involved with a suspicious fire. Her previous husband Denis Richards would later tell authorities that in nineteen ninety-three. Kimberly tried to burn down their house with him inside. His story shared similarities with Robert Boone's. Dennis had fallen asleep and woke up smelling smoke. According to court documents, he found Kimberley's sitting on the living room couch. He hurried to the basement and saw kerosene soaked rag bringing in a Molotov cocktail. He quickly stamped out the fire, so he didn't call nine one one. When he confronted Kimberly, she blamed the fire on an intruder. Now with the second fire and another husband Kimberley's motive for trying to kill Robert Boone was money authorities side. Kimberly was poised to collect two hundred thousand dollars life insurance as the beneficiary if her husband had died in the fire. And meanwhile kimberly was in financial trouble she used a home equity loan and other lines of credit to spend about eighty thousand dollars vehicles. She had a long list of major purchases like buying a swimming pool. New Computers upgraded furniture and house renovations at the family home. She took the kids to Disney and NASCAR and was generous family family members, buying her mom, a trailer and helping others with their bills. Robert testified at trial that she largely kept him in the dark on their finances. He wasn't aware of the growing whole. Kimberly wanted his focus to be watching their children. Although Kimberly, the family breadwinner had recently lost her job at I hire a hiring website similar to monster dot, com. Kimberly had worked as the Maryland business companies bookkeeper, and was in total control of the company's finances even when she relocated to Florida and worked remotely. She wouldn't tell her husband why she had been fired. I hire President Don McFadden said Kimberly embezzled more than seven hundred thousand dollars between June, two, thousand, four and November, two thousand eight. The company CEO accused her of using the company funds to wire money to herself and pay her credit cards or her home, equity lines of credit and mortgages. Her deception was deep as she created faked bender accounts to hide the embezzlement and didn't pay the company's federal withholding taxes for three years. In April, two, thousand, nine Kimberly was arrested on a charge of attempted murder and arson. If convicted, she could face a sentence to life in prison. She declined a thirty year plea deal. She told Nita in one of the calls. Then when I went in front of the judge you can. Take place is off the table, and if you go to trial and lose your, that's the thirty year. She wasn't I might not be able to do anybody ten years anyway and I was like I. Understand that. Then after that she asked him about my four she she goes. You gotta realize before she tried to kill her husband instead of fire. And I'm like you make me some really bad. The financial motive was front and center during Kimberley's second trial that began in October two thousand eleven. This case boils down to money. Greed and self preservation, said assistant state attorney Kelly Joe Hines. Kimberly had to pay her old boss back, which was the motivation to kill Robert Boone, and to collect the two hundred thousand dollars insurance money prosecutors said. The three men Kimberly had angered her ex boss her prior husband deal. Richards and Richard Boone spoke against her during the trial. Her former boss testified kimberly admitted to stealing the money and promised to repay him back. The day after she was fired, she left a voicemail, promising to pay back twenty five thousand dollars immediately and begging for him, not to report her to the authorities. If she went to jail. She would lose her family. She pleaded. Kimberly knew she had a problem and had been seeing a psychologist for two and a half years. The jury could hear her words as the voice mail was played during the trial. But Kimberly never took the stand. Kimberly eventually paid back seventy five thousand dollars, claiming to have a rich benefactor. Her Ex boss said. Dennis Richards described nineteen ninety-three fire, saying he never called the Fire Department or the Police Department at the time his relationship with Kimberley was falling apart, he said. Kimberley's defense argued that there was no evidence. She had smelled the smoke all those years ago. She was lost in her thoughts. It was also strange that Dennis. Never reported the fire to authorities for team said. In, closing arguments, prosecutor Tom Hastings again emphasized the financial gain that would push kimberly to try and kill her husband by giving him a glass of water with San axe to disarm him, and then trying to burn the place down. Quote she started hatching a plan as she was going to raise this money? How was she going to save her own hide? How is she going to cash in? She had I hire breathing down her neck. Robert Boone had told her look. If you've stolen any money, I'm leaving and taking the kids. That's when Kimberly began googling on her password protected work laptop. Would insurance pay for her belongings if a second house burned down? How do you 'cause a House Explosion? How does a fake Christmas tree catch on fire? Kimberly was plotting to drug her husband, and then set fire to the house. Prosecutors, said quote. Robert Boone was going to have to be sacrificed so that this defendant could maintain her liberty. But Kimberley's defense attorney buckner tried to cast out describing Dennis Richards as a disgruntled ex husband and Robert Boone as a liar who may have helped himself to his wife Xanax. Authorities had never determined the cause of the fire, a key argument for the defense. That's your problem in the case. Could the fire have been an accidental fire? Yes, do we know the cause of it? No, no one has been able to come in here and give you a cause. Kimberley's defense attorney said. When it came to stealing money from I hire without a doubt Kimberly was guilty, but the question is. was she going to kill her husband over it? Her defense attorney oust I suggest to you. She loved her husband. The jury deliberated for four hours before returning with their verdict guilty. Just, before her sentencing Robert Boone brought a victim impact statement. He said Kimberly has no remorse for what she's done to him, and he still suffers from tst. Kimberly scoffed about what Robert said later on with Anita. And he wrote about how he wakes up every nurse, still relating of waking up in a burning house. and. He said he had post. Traumatic stress disorder. He has a hard time. Trusting people and I'm thinking you. You weren't waking up in a burning house four months. After the fire before you. Really Yeah. That's what I was thinking with you and you weren't. Right. Exactly went to the NASCAR racing. We bought new furniture. He bought another gun. You know we went every place togethers. So, yeah, you really have post traumatic. Has it now? Because of what happened I, can see that, but why my and fan wake up every night with reliving the horror waking up in a burning building because you're trying to get this is. Kimberly was sentenced to thirty five years in prison. In Two thousand twelve, she was charged with grand theft of one hundred thousand dollars, or more from what she had stolen from her former company. She had been serving in state prison and was ordered back to jail to face the new charge, which is when the regular phone calls with Anita began. Public defender came to see me today. Good. What are you saying? just that they have about he literally five six thousand pieces of paper in my discovery, this little case here. What I. I don't even think I know what what are they charging of over one hundred thousand dollars? Grand Theft. And this is what they use the whole this. To get other takeout. This is the reason. That I wanted to kill rob because I just money. Neither Kimberly Not Anita ever confessed to their crimes against their husbands in their calls, although Kimberly discussed grand theft charge in greater detail in one taped call and admitted to overstepping her bounds. I had. Control over the finances I used to say about one hundred brand out and I took it out and opened up another. The banks for failing, and you have a protected and stuff and I had I was the only with the company that was approved. The US Treasury to go in and do like Money transfers from bank to bank between that account other. And I'm used to bottle. They only had one company credit card, and they were like eight or nine guys on the only fifty thousand limit well, I. Company that pays ninety thousand a month just in marketing Internet marketing you know. They have big expensive. So. I put a lot of stuff on my own credit. Oh. I bought computers. Company, but yeah, and then like the bills would be do and to send a check I just give them my credit card number over the phone. If. They didn't take a lot of my pay by check over the funds but do that. But you know the cash flow things. I had to wait for certain certain. Ways different things and in those times, but anyway such you. Kinda got like in over your head with your own personal credit cards, trying to cover them well, but basically what? I didn't sit down expensive for since I, did so Austin pretty much daily and. You know it was just a matter of. them because they wrote I think the check, but I printed about the Maryland was fun and send them. Down but Anyway, I paid my personal. Credit, Card bills, with the company account. But. Exactly. Eventually Kimberly took a plea deal. In two thousand thirteen added an additional five years to her sentence. In one call the two friends at each other. As it was already clear, they would be spending years in prison. I mean we're looking at thirty. I think. For same time. Young, people in thirty. Years, no one minute remaining. Twenty two. Twenty three. Twenty three. And then. And then you get off like stealing. percent. Eighty five percent. That's what the eighty percent that's for. At least another had to be twenty three years. You'RE GONNA. Get an appeal your. I mean that was the worst case scenario you get worse case scenario. And, then you just think every day you're in there is. They can add is client service. I don't blame you for fighting this thing here. I know. The okay. I got your birthday card, but I don't really get. A few days ago, but The. Thing. I forgive me by Jakarta School. About you. and. Your birthday is on during trials. Thank you for using I see solution. And that's all for today's episode. As always I'd love to know what you think about these cases. Do you think both women were treated? 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83 | Supernatural | Sucker Punch by Laurell K. Hamilton  With Interview!

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83 | Supernatural | Sucker Punch by Laurell K. Hamilton With Interview!

"Weirdo bookworm unite we want to share our love of genre fiction with you. Some readers out there may look down on you for your love of horror, sci fi and fantasy, but not us. So stop by as we discuss what we've been reading. I under Junkies Sandra this is Scott stitches over there and we are ready to talk to you tonight about a very exciting author interview we had. We got to talk to Laurel K Hamilton which is pretty big deal. Big Deal it is a big deal. I was excited Sandra was very, very excited and. This was my first time reading one of her novels, and so I'm excited to talk about my experience with that as the first time reader. So we'll talk a little bit and then we've got our interview with Laurel. It is spoiler free, and then we'll come back and do the spoiler section Kinda same as always hope everybody's been doing as well as possible during this absolutely insane time to be a high. Had Our. We had our first Cova. Scare I guess you'd say an air quotes. Yeah. Like a work related possible contamination Sich situtation not not too bad for either of us. But of course, we took our tests passed with flying colors but at least now we've had that experience. Yes you've had that experience. So if you think you have to do it, get it done your honor junkies have they lived to tell the tale don't be scared Jonah Junkie So something else that was like really really exciting three. Sorry. I just want WanNa. Talk a little bit. John Related is we finally fine the Lee was true detective season one? Yeah, we did and. That was a huge deal for me. That was a huge deal so I will say. This the first couple episodes. It took me a while to really get into it and really like like the characters. But after after the whole season was done, I was very happy with it Sandra. I'm completely obsessed with it. I can't wait to watch the other T. seasons. It was one of those things like I described season one is like I feel like somebody made it for me somebody crafted it for me and like molded it and like shaped it and made it all Mason and pretty like clay and they fire baked in the oven and a glazed it and they're. Like here you go here I, made you this made you the season of television just for you and absolutely adored it. Of course, no spoilers for those who haven't seen it. All three seasons are anthology but this one has to do with a lot of stuff that ticks myi boxes of things that I like and it is kind of a procedural though be all tradition untraditional one. Just like the book we reviewed this week. Procedural, however nontraditional. So a little bit of background on our book. This week I think that most readers are going to at least be familiar with Laurel K Hamilton is she's responsible for two series of books the Anita Blake Vampire Hunters series and the Merry Gentry This is obviously in outing in the Anita Blake vampire hunter novel so this newest book is called Sucker Punch. So this was first of all book is frigging gorgeous like if you get a chance to eat some really pretty cover oh my gosh, it's got like you know kind Of like our our leopard on the front and it's lots of blues and blacks in a big gorgeous like aquamarine Gold I. There's like a blood drippy thing and like when you shift the cover to and fro, you get like Shiny Shiny bits I can't I don't know it's gorgeous. Super pleased in its when you open it up to when you open up, it's a beautiful hundred green and black with like blood red on the spine. It's definitely a departure of from the the covers that I am familiar with seeing for the series Oh. Yes. So I I could look up exactly what it was but a number of years ago the book switched covers from kind of like what a lot of us knew to these much more. Beautiful. Dare I say serious covers. I. Don't want to say that in the sound insulting but. We're there more artistic and not just here is a book cover. That kind of vaguely represents the story inside. There's definitely an artistic style when it comes to the covers of books when it comes to you John Re related books particularly fi supernatural were you know where you have like the hero or heroine on the cover and? That kind of art you all know what we're talking about and this new trend towards kind of a more more subtle cover while still being just beautiful. I'm a big Fan of Oh. Yeah. No at least covers have been great for years and years. So this was no exception it's such a treat. So let me tell you a little bit about, Anita Blake, the series, my my history with it, and then we'll talk about the book more specifically. So Anita Blake Vampire Hunter is a series of novels and some short novels also comic books of which I have quite a few of. Those that way. That mislocate Hamilton has been writing since hundred ninety three when guilty pleasures came out. So this is an urban fantasy series in that it is contemporary it is basically our world. Only there are supernatural things. Everybody is aware of them but other than that, there's a lot of things that makes it exactly like the world we live in there is the character of Anita Blake who starts out the series as basically known as the executioner known as war. She executes Vampires and Super Naturals. She raises the dead as an animator where she raises zombies. And that goes into a whole whole bunch of stuff. She gets into some romantic entanglements with supernatural characters in that grows leaps and bounds throughout the series Her love life is very fascinating and prolific and vary entertaining. And you need a flow chart, these are. In case, you couldn't tell these are one of those books where adults can into adult situation kids how just know that? A lot of the books we read our like that we don't usually give a warning for that, but you know just saying. So my history with the books. History. With the books is I started reading them not in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, three of a little young. But I started reading when I was a teenager let's say about fifteen to be safe and my friends read them and I read them and I really enjoyed them and I continue to read them and continued to stay at least somewhat involved in the series as best as I possibly. Could like I said I love the comic book run when that was coming out and I got some of those, these books were very, very key part of my teen and early adults and into my adult reading it's when you've been reading character Carrick Durr's but especially one character for this lawn you get very, very involved emotionally it just becomes a big part of you I guess I could say I mean. So obviously, she's been writing these books for more than twenty five years. This is the twenty seventh novel in the Series Laurel K Hamilton is a bestselling writer, New York Times Bestseller. People all over the world. Love Love love these books and have for very long time I. See a lot of myself in the character of Anita lot of ways were super. But in a lot of ways were really the same I've always appreciated that she was an assertive strong female that spoke her mind that she was very capable as the books have gone. On in the series of gone on, she's opened up a lot and she's more vulnerable and she's embraced her insecurity. She's embracing her mental health really really incredible stuff. She's found love as she's found love with multiple people. Her character is poly-amorous, which is really cool. You don't get to see that a lot I. it's not common books to see that that viewpoint no and. She is in love with people who are not. You know fully human there where people like him thrope. Big. Word. I cannot say empires were wills. On all that stuff and I. I'm not poly-amorous Scott's poly-amorous. We don't know enough to say that like Oh this is just the most wonderful representation of polly emery but I like the way it is depicted in these books. It makes me feel a lot of love for these characters and I want them to be happy and be happy with each other and I think that's what really matters at the end of the day. Right? I agree yeah, I. Think you know coming into this fresh I knew some stuff about the series. Because of you and then going into this book, I did spend a little bit of time on Wikipedia kind of catch up on exactly who these characters were. Yeah. But not a lot of time on that and I I have to say wikipedia doesn't do her relationships justice when you read the Quick Synopsis, Synopsis Sees No any wicky you find out there. It's like it'll be good to Kinda like give you a crash course. Yes. Yeah. But you know wikipedia makes it sound kind of Harem Ish. And there is a bit of a fun level of Hamish of Harem this this in it, but it's not it's not the the complete harem fantasy that the wick the wikipedia kind of makes it sound like it actually is very sweet and the characters are very honest and open and trust each other and I think that that's really really powerful to see and it's it's it's nice. Yes. Very very cool and as the series has gone on. Anita has you know collected all these people and characters in her life and enemies, and she's developed other sorts of powers as time has gone on one it's really really interesting is called the door which is kind of hard to describe. But for the most part have been found only in vampires until Anita kind of developed, it caught it I don't know what exactly to say but it's A sexual power that allows her to feed from other supernatural creatures and humans, and of course, that's going to make her relationships and the you know kind of sexual erotic scenes way more interesting frankly. And supernatural I'm not a huge romance reader as you guys have probably noticed even when like I mean it's not really one of our Jonah's that we focus on here John Junkies and so I'm Kinda like picky about my romance that I like but I like the way Laurel K and her characters handled their romance. It's it's fun Romp Times. But make no mistake a lot of the books including Sucker Punch really really focus on the mystery, the fantasy, the horror, the creepy nece at May I just say to these books have gotten even funnier time have gone on I just I. Love How much of her sense of humor she's putting into these books fantastic. Yeah. So Anita job is a martial she's a she's a supernatural Marshall. Now I don't know if I even said that there's so much to recap. Well, let me say this because I am not as privy to all of the changes that have happened but this book does a really good job of catching you up without it being a whole bunch of exposition. You know she talks about her her history is being originally one of the vampire hunters and being one of the four horsemen and how things have changed, and now she's her job is I guess quote unquote a little bit more legitimate. Yeah. It's a little bit more of like a like a really A. Government arm, but it's you know I. Think I. Want to say this because I have read none of the other books if you're interested in this at all by all means, you can start at number one, but don't be afraid to go ahead and jump in at at Sucker Punch I, think that this book stands R- up really well on its own and like how rare is that in a series this in depth there's like sway shorter series where you can't do that. So it's actually really inclusive and cool that she writes her book that way and we talk about it in the interview we do. So I WANNA, talk about my experience with this with the book. This was an absolute page Turner from me Injury Really Long Book. Like it's almost six hundred pages in its hardcover edition, which for me is is an epic novel. While at first looking at it I was I was. Ethical intimidated blew I blew through this book guys it is such a fun fast paced read and it's that kind of fast paced where you know when you're reading a book and you just you're you're just devouring it ends and you're like I want I want like two hundred more pages of this. This gives it to you and it doesn't really ever let up and I really I was really impressed and surprised by that. I think. That is so cool to hear. You say that for me, this was absolutely a page turner solid solid page Turner, and I was super happy with it. It's wonderful to get to see old friends, which is what it's like when you have been with the series for so long is these are old friends of yours and my favorite character in the Book Edward He's Imas Book. So that was like, yes, I was super stoked to see him. Yes. She does a great job of giving you a lot of back story but like what's relevant like is there are lots of characters and lots of moving pieces in the series. So it's like okay and another book that has more these folks in it should give you a little bit more oh this has. References to a pass case of hers. Cool. We'll tell you about that case from that other book and it's like it's really really nice because you're like just kind of waiting into the water like okay I'm comfortable. I'm comfortable here even though I'm a new person. I could totally see bat and those references don't feel too inside baseball. There's somewhere that need to be explained that are for the for the for the plot of this story, and there's some things that are just kind of references to things that have happened in the past which they actually the they're more than just a wink wink to regular readers. To kind of your appetite to read more I WanNa know about some of those stories. Yeah. You want to know about those stories, those cases, those characters everybody's very in depth and none of them. The men none of the women supernatural human in these books are paint by numbers they're really -ther. And I should say to one thing I always really admired about these books. Now, we have the poly-amorous connection, but there's been a lot about sexuality and sexual orientation and gender. Really really cool stuff. That I really love to read about you guys know we talk about stuff on the show all the time, and especially for me having read these characters for so long when I first started reading them when I was in my teens there was not a lot of books that were talking about You know so many different types of people and way to ways to identify and ways to have sexuality, and it's really really cool that it's like something that was kind of foundational in that sub genre. And also urban fantasy in general. Let's just kind of kind of categorize it as that they're really you know we hate to be to contrite about any John Rica's things blend, but she is also one of the pioneers of that and if you like a bad ass woman detective who can execute supernatural naturals and navigate crazy worlds and all of that stuff you you definitely have to thank Laurel K Hamilton for that she was foundational in having that energy in books. So can I tell you a little bit about sucker punch sure. So just Kinda give everybody you know what are what are we going to get you here with the story? One of fellow US Marshal Asks Anita Blake to fly to a tiny community in Michigan's upper peninsula on an emergency consult she knows time is running short when she arrives there's plenty of proof that a young wear leopard killed his uncle in the most gruesome and bloody way possible as the mounting evidence to him a warrant of execution is already underway, but something seems off about the murder and Anita has been asked for her expert. Opinion on the crime scene despite escalating pressure from local cops and the family's cries for justice for their dead. Patriarch Anita quickly realizes that the evidence doesn't quite add up time is against Anita as the tight knit community is up in arms and it's fear of supernatural is growing she races to uncover the truth and determine whether the marshals have caught the killer or about to execute an innocent man all in the name of justice it really is a murder mystery I was not expecting that we like I said, usually the books there's. Something, like that, there's a murder mystery. There's a there's a, there's a body in town or something like that. There's a really good plot, but a lot of her books are centered around really good mystery. You can't beat that. We love mystery we do love mystery. So for our readers who have not been introduced to Laurel K Hamilton and the to Blake, who do you think should be picking this up of our listeners to read it. I'll man that's a toughie because it's obviously going to plug it. My Heart Street is a little bit. A series that I've been with for so so long You know, honestly, I think that these books do have quite a mass appeal I think that men would like them. Women would like them. Non Gendered folks would like them human supernatural. So Everybody I mean jump in. Now jump in at the beginning you know like figure out where you WanNa get in and just give these books at try and being credibly entertained and I for a lot of people they love it when a series has a lot of books for them to devour and why not try one. That has you know twenty seven novels. There is something to be said about falling in love with a series and already having a whole lot of stuff to dig into. It's hard to give an appeal score to a series. That's successful. That's this this big. I think that this has a broad appeal I think that for for those who are not into anything supernatural at all the you know this, this might not have it but man if you like supernatural at all. Yeah. Out here normal supernatural. into creatures and there's so many great I wish I could say the word can. I. Say the word if you're like me stupefy can't say it either. But if you're like me, you should and you have you're like me, you haven't picked up the series even though you've probably heard about it for decades just pick it up, give it a shot and I don't hurt. It's not GonNa hurt you and you don't have to. Start from the beginning if you don't want to really as someone who's only read this book, Go ahead and pick up this book. I. Think I think that you will I don't think that you'll regret it. Now I can flick could hurt can't hurt anything can only help you and just look at where we've come to. Since one thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, three you know like people who've been readers for a long time like us. An older you know things were different books were different in the nineties and the eighties in the seventies, and especially as someone like me who's other favorite authors Stephen. King Anne Rice you know you see cultural shifts and it's a little bit of time capsule when you read books that by authors that stretch such a huge period of time. But if you like paranormal supernatural creatures at all and especially when I was gonna say it was with the with the like throats the where people there's better words for this I mean th th rope Syrian throats is now the politically correct term we use in the books. There's all the different big cats, lions there's hanging is there's rats there's there's a wear animal for you. There's a wear animal for you are maybe being an animators more your styling, you WanNa, raise the dead perhaps you vampires fuel of Vampires why the hell have you not read any Anita Blake books. Alright. So I think without further ado, we've got to get into this very, very exciting interview with Laurel K. Hamilton. The we are so humbled that she graciously did a little call with, US. Scott. What talk a little bit about there's some tech stuff if why we had a few technical difficulties with this interview, you will notice a change in audio about halfway through. The audio quality is still good but I apologize for the for the degradation in audio in the second half I mean the world's an imperfect place and you know sometimes it just is what it is. But like we said, it's still as good in the content is frigging fire. So that's all that matters. Without much more further further ado the Johner junkies are proud to present Laurel K Hamilton. Enjoying, the show leave us a review. You can find us on Instagram at johner junkies will as genre junkies don't calm. And now back to the show. With us today needing really no introduction is Laurel K Hamilton author of the Anita Blake series good. Morning. Hello. Hey. Good Morning. Hi Scott Hi Sandra it's good to be here. Oh my gosh. This is amazing to have you. This is so exciting. So I wanted to go ahead and start as a first time reader of the series I was surprised by how little previous knowledge I actually needed to become invested in your characters and your world what is your method to making your books approachable to those who are just coming in? Well I try to treat every book as much as possible where you can pick it up and come in and that you know. That gets harder harder with more books more background you build up, but I really do set down and I think you know all right the first draft because you don't edit as you do for staff that that's that'll stop in your tracks every time but then subsequent drafts I look at it and go Kay I had never picked the series up this was a brand new book if I was in a bookstore or in the airport and honest picking this book up and I was reading it would this draw me in in would this be enough information so that I didn't feel loss I really do I really do try to bear that in mind It is it is quite a challenge at this point but I really do think about I because I still hear from people that say just that like you said your first Ruder I actually do still get a lot of people and I just found you. I'm so excited so many books and people are reading at home in he in doing more books now as things gone on 'cause you know. Online has become harder everybody's kind of hunkering down so. I get. I'm getting lots of Preston, readers. and. They say the same thing. They usually get back to the beginning after they they read up to but but I really do try because I know that in the airport there's going to be delayed That's it. They just don't have shelf room for everybody's whole series. That's that's awesome and I mean I'm so happy like that. Scott found that to be so true for your books all All have gone into more detail on this, but I am not a first time reader. I. Am a long reader. So it was really really exciting to get to have a different. From him as a longtime reader versus new reader. That is really cool. Yeah. It's you know we do what we can hear. Jonah Junkies. Anita is a strong assertive female character just like me. How does it make you feel when your readers talk to you about how much Anita has inspired them it. When it first started a low these. I started out. I was puzzled by how many people said you know she helps me strong because honestly my grandmother race, there were no. and. So I was Rai- I. I wasn't raised to be the girl because that wasn't an option is made heavy had to be lifted when I got big enough. You're talking to it. Wasn't like we had help from anybody else to go to. So I didn't know the Anita was so strong. I didn't know that wasn't option to be anything else it took me quite a few years to go. Okay I understand it now I love the fact that so many people tell me needed has inspired them to be stronger and that it's okay to be stronger, it's okay to stand up for themselves I. Was Not socialized to be to be the girl not in any way I I, was not I was I was told to I had to take care of myself. No Man is conducive for me and that if I wasn't stronger to take care of myself, my way I was at that was how I was raised though. So that's how neat is. That's how I am. I honestly did not there was another option. In and but I'm meet so many women that I really thought would be passed us to be honest. We are still socializing or girls boys so differently. and. And girls are still being socialized to be nice and I love hearing from women saying you know I spoke up I listened to that little voice in the back of my head. I knew it wasn't a good idea. So I said no, because I knew Anita wouldn't do it. I had women that have left abusive relationships and they stay is put up and I I mean that is that is such such a gift to be able to share strength. In a way I, get to share my own upbringing. I share the strength that I was taught and raised with everybody I you know I also get I also get min. The also say that needs help them be strong in a different way that that that they're all different kinds of strength. And just like gives me chills. It is a really. Holy unlooked for on my part and it's been a real gift to share with everybody that was. That must be why like rings so true is it's just what it is is just natural. Yes. I I grew up with my grandma for a lot of my years too. So I always like to hear another raised by grandma type of person, and of course, she was old school old schools. Oh Yeah. Very old school and. An. People's Graham was not all the same but. I do not think my grandmother ever were makeup day in her life. She was raised in farm country. So she didn't have any time. She had no patience radio that followed the all stop that that you know nobody cared what I looked like it was. Could you list this? Can you do this for me? And so I really I. Really you know people will say you know early interviewer said you know and love she said this off camera I love Anita but I bet her closer so awful what made you think to dress like that? In the early. In the this this woman is dressed, this woman was dressed in in very high enclosed top to bottom. I mean, she looked abuse and I I dressed up for the interview but I just didn't have the heart teller of that I just look down at what I was wearing. Eh, needed wear that right Didn't occur to me. The more I, the more I go out and meet people that are more into fashion in more into the whole indoctrination I didn't get about appearance is so important the more I realized that I'm really have no since bashes I really off and I, I that's not a bad thing. It's just it's just I just don't think about it. It's it's just I'm gonNA go Amnuay cupboard. Is By. 'em I covered is everything covered is worried shoes appropriate to the day? Can I walk the dogs in these guy? I. Go outside without tripping on something is it raining or these waterproof do I need? To the practical list that's how I. Joked John is the one who taught me how to wear high heels. because. I couldn't I didn't know how to wear high heels. I. Really. Didn't and. Rightish on Claude his great fashion sense. He's the one who got me watching fashion TV and things like that trying to figure out how to dress him and and so for John Call that I were the really high heels and learn how to rock in because I I wanted to know how that feel felt. Sometimes I write very much like a method actor I will get into the. Of the character in that kind of thing and so. It was only half joking Sean Claude taught me how to wear high heels. Oh, I love that so vital all doesn't awesome sir. I've noticed that one of the things when you introduced characters a lot of times you do describe a lot of what they're wearing where do you get the inspiration for those outfits then? I don't think about close. But what I've learned is that I do I can't design clothes I can't. So but I I can look at things together I I can design clothing. And I didn't know the everybody could do this until. So many people asked I. Know I. DO I get inspiration from different things and Oh, my goodness like the the I have to say that that instagram is wonderful for visuals. You can go through and see things. But also by the time I found instagram to the degree I have. Now I don't even dressing him for years. So I really wasn't in fact I begin to go their dressing election Claude not the other way. I think part of his inspiration came from. Some of the early. Early Hammer Vampire films not the Chris. Really ones but like a One that I saw I was saddened inverse time. His creature feature late, our and my uncle fell asleep staying with those kids. So you know you get to watch anything new adults was awake. And I did not seat again until I was in my twenties I didn't realize that the lead vampire has the long flow blood flowing white shirt and he's got long curly black hair and I went. Oh, Jeez only. He was there in your early childhood memory just of waiting here apparently so that that movie. Back by subconscious and just waited. and. You never know you never know is a child. What's going to stay with you and what's not? And I've learned from my own childhood and now is a is never know what's going to make a lasting impression. Who Know that one viewing of one movie when I was seven point who of all this year slavery go here I am yeah. Exactly. But I didn't know that until after right and I saw the movie later and I just went. How so that's we used to seed of physical I love that you referenced Hammer Horror I'll I love love me some hammer horror fantastic only to absolutely I actually I. loved it with that actually brings me to question. I've been kind of dying to know for a long time. Now, what is your favorite character to write other than a Anita if she is your absolute favorite? Well she's easiest her her voice in after writing her so long it's like it's just instantaneous I can like. Go right into her revolt favorite character right It's really going to depend on the day. Edward is one of my favorites too right because he's dysfunction. Cool. Cooler he's cooler than now I'm sorry. He just he just comes in in Stop I love the repartee between and John is is strangely not where my favorite right because he he is so far from my voice that sometimes it's hard and that's one of the reasons I will get into close. Feel Soak feel waste will help me in a channel. On, better acre Jason Jason favorite character, right? He's just fun. Paper. So. There's so many I mean I I really enjoying really enjoy the large cast though sometimes it's burdensome as a writer has everybody's in my head going I wanNA turn I wanNA paper and I'm I'm starting to feel like a conductor going note that car. have. I have to say that there is a couple of in the middle. I tried to get everybody way tried to give everybody in stage in. It's just it's just too much. You can't do justice to them. So my new role is that you can be on stage, but if if you can't stay in a meaningful way, you just have to wait I'm sorry I can't everybody on stage and do them justice his. There's so many great characters and I want to explore them on. But I'm hoping to do more short novels like I did Mike Adjacent but I, I'm hoping to do more short novels were some of the characters that are not getting either as much time on stage or they're not getting all their stories told can have side books so that I can explore them without having is much. Pressure. Of the main plot of a book machine at me I like that that sounds really cool. I'd be down for more at those. So several of your characters are sociopaths and some of your fans like the one sitting across from me seem to love and be fascinated by them. Why do you think that is and what makes them so compelling to right? I. Think one of the things that. One of the reason I started writing Sydney sociopaths is one it interested me? The other thing is that I truly believe there are a lot more socio has out there than than we think because a lot of people that are sociopath actually don't know they are because what sociopaths are really really good at these high functioning says he pads that. Blend in. Is that they think everybody else doesn't feel empathy either they don't know that it's a thing. So they entertain everybody socially and they can be brilliant imitate socially because they're just entertain the outward manifestation of about all the depth of it. They are some of the best akers because they have to be because they don't feel the emotions that go with what they're doing. So I, I honestly, more research done more. I. Think that there are a lot of people out there. That actually are well behaved not because they will empathy but because the role socialize but that doesn't make them not sociopaths they just this is just Palais are. I was. I was really lucky enough to meet someone was about to be able to talk. At late and it was very interesting to me because this person was the first person to give you a Kleenex. If you're crying candy if your mouth is dry, they were very generous. You would never no never known but their mother's brother resolve this issue. She grown up with, and so she sought an early age is able to explain your different most people and this is why how you hide it. How Yeah Yeah it was it was fascinating to me absolutely fascinating and so fascinating that I knew I put onstage I knew ahead to, and then I also meet other people that. You know with Anita and Edward worry about the sociopaths help are are they but they're to touch their more. First and then there were made if you around of violence, it's not that you really become assistant that's not really not really the race but to my knowledge, there is no phrase for someone that is trained up in sent out to round enough violence where they have to fight for life in they are doing the balance of rules. It's okay to go kill somebody trying to kill you in war, and then you come home and suddenly you're supposed to genie back in the bottle. It. There is just such a disconnect between the two that it doesn't. It actually doesn't puzzlement RN, people have trouble coming back in putting themselves into society because it is just so different I mean really light normal society is so is so artificial in some ways compared to the district of being in a place where life or death on the war that that there's no pretense there you know what you're supposed to be doing and everything, and then you come back here and they release all these rules, all these things that bound you around that that really have nothing to do with greed. And a sociopath because they don't. It strays something in you. It doesn't always work her back and they function just fine. Let me just say that zero people from the from the social forces community said, would you please write somebody? Who has his background? Isn't associate pat on I have. That's actually why there are. Now some some former seals in other special forces in the body guards in the book to have families and talk about the fact that that their wives, the wives really happy that they're now working for some arm. A NIETA because they stay in one place, the money's good danger levels burly low and gets home at night. And one of the reasons they exist is because so many people special forces could you please write one percent are background that isn't the sociopath and so guys this one's for you and that's that's why we have a lot of. Military that are just really regular guys with special special But so sweet a fan service a little bit. Yeah. I I've been really lucky in how many people who from these kinds of had talked over the years in told me stuff that that didn't go in the books of course, just to background had I not talked to real police officers had I not talked military Anita would not have had a trajectory of a character that she did because I wouldn't have known to to get it to her. She's easy about ten about ten years in between ten and fifteen years in mostly officers gets the court where they know where they know they're not going to be able to save the world anymore. They know that that's not how it works and you just get to where you want to go home. You want at the end of the day, and if you get out alive in and get to go home, then that's that's your victory and and. Socio. But I am fascinated with the fact that that someone who finished so well and not be you wouldn't pick them out because they just they just imitate what they see. Really really well, and then you have of course characters. Edward. Edward is the perfect actor. Now, most people his background or not he really could oscar-winner warning performance there. Between his alter ego. Ted Forced her US Marshal. Edward. A assassin to anything more dangerous than he is. But. I I love Edward in his growth as a character because honestly he was greatest sort of a bad guy. I had no idea. You would become a new best friend. I had no idea that that he had that kind of growth in him is a character So I in rituals characters it goes off does his own thing than shows up with done? I don't even know what he's doing. He goes. Oh. What really? Okay. Like like. I did not know he'd gotten engaged you anybody until like one page low needed coming down the escalator airport in meeting Donna. Oh my and then we both we both went. Oh I mean it was just like my mind was blown is like this can't be real I'll like. I love that I love that so much and. Well Edward is my favorite character in the series. South I love that he is still surprising you throughout the book still that Little Devil Oh my God Edward surprises me a lot of Edwards always been like that he's been one of the characters that goes off does his own thing comes back in it's a done deal. Yeah he doesn't ask permission. Debate you just like claw. This is what I've been doing. Well, I've been gone. How are you? Oh I love it, and that actually that brings me to our next question to you kind of touched on this a little bit. But in this book especially I talks about the importance of mental health and therapy is that a message that you're kinda trying to convey to readers these days? Absolutely. Absolutely. I started it started with a certain with annual going into therapy and talking about his time where he was he was running away and he got on the streets and he was addictive drugs and got claim because where leopards put let him in and we'll see got off drugs. And then even after became that, he's still not healthy not and he's been going to therapy and getting better in finding a happiness that works for him and I have so many readers. So many readers that have said that faneuil going to therapy had led them to go to therapy solves. The annual thought a clean stay. Clean had their sobriety. and. Once I heard that from the fans I thought you know I'm a big believer in therapy I've been in therapy. Often on by twenties I honestly you know every says, oh I wish I was my twenties again. Why do you offer? was like a man I barely survived my twist. What I want to go back. On. Your lucky. So in thirty two, begin to figure out who in what you are in or your forties done your work. Then suddenly you're new, you subtle in forties is was my favorite decade and so you begin to fill out your owner's manual each decade. And I love it. I love knowing myself more. I love not sitting around going I have no idea what's going on and you have to fake your grownup. Nobody tells you how to be a UP. there. So few rules I mean I am led the things have moved on. I, really am researching the past I do especially as a woman but at the same time I, think we throwing the baby out back bathwater and we have reached this thing where is to black and white everything's gray and You know a little bit of like here's how you be a grownup. Here's what you do. These are the things you do things you don't do it all agree on it but of course, we can't you know. I like. Brennan talking to her daughter and about a boy, she was seeing high school before last year. Said said Oh. You're going steady and she says what action a new study was just. That's when your exclusive each other and they usually extend your pin or did your classroom and you know you weren't gauge but you were steady were each other's and it was you know she says, introduces that would be so great. All I. Wish we had something like that. Because you know. Because I'm. Because I'm poly-amorous that means I dated across decades much more than most people and May. I say that the people in their twenties and thirties now it's it's much harder today it's easier to hook up than it was when. I was there I was in college out of college, but it is it is much harder to date i. think now especially, if you want a permanent relationship because they're so few rules of how view right now that's a really good point. Actually I really feel for people in the in the younger decades because it is it is there fewer rules and though one-handed screen on the other his confusing and and because are no rules. You don't know what rules the other person's using. So if you're talking to your your your your kids and trying to tell them how you dated, I, it is changed a great deal and. The advice may not be as good as you think it is. It's it's kind of the wild west out there is to help people are doing it beginning of how much things have changed, and he struggles through the book to come to grips with new terminology for the. Supernatural creatures in the book can you talk about that? Yes I did the new terminology for Anita I. decided that. I do politically correct speech to the book. and. Because cancer really just means technically just means being wearable it's just wolf face the Canterbury that's it. So somebody decided somewhere that you needed to be socially correct and have a term that is for old wearables and I did have a lot of fun coming up with different names and I thought. Is there a term that means shape change in general and by Golly they're is It is not fair in floppy T. H. E. R. I. A. N. T. H. R. O. P. Y. They're not there and off. Really. Just. Tongue. Oh my God I'm so tongue twister. It's much harder to say it's harder to spell and but but it does encompass all turning shape from human to animal does cover it all and you get to hear the words or cat which in and you have to use it correctly and people are these already gotten written up once by another Marshall because she didn't use the. Later. For the correct terms. It is it was it was fun to go back or in have needed who's very old school trying to remember all the new socially conscious vocabulary and know eat even some of the other marshals go back with it and by form for you know you can't say where you can't say Wolfman or lead that's for sexist right and so to be gender neutral, it's it's by form one of the alternatives. To they're saying. Polite term or half man half. Happy's. And it was it was. It was really fun and one of the things that led me to do it. Was the fact that that we are trying to read our vocabulary socially conscious it I kind of a little ahead of the curve I did not know how much vocabulary we would have to be changing watching in. So it was really fun to do it on paper and also. Need, just having to change the times or the other marshals because you don't WanNa see sexist and you don't WanNa be species. Any I guess theseus. Speech of yeah all right. It was it was very fun to have her go back and forth it is really fun to watch her. Change and adapt to the current times as a longtime reader. So that was super super enjoyable of it's kind of a silly question but I just wanted to know if you could have any of your character supernatural abilities such as vampirism shape shifting, reenacting, etc. What would you pick and why I wouldn't be a damn? I wouldn't be vampire because of Miss Daylight too much. and. I don't know I would miss sued. I speed able to me and and I hope to do more than on stage where neither can. Were Sean contaced through other people and we also haven't gotten to show that that Damien is also gained that ability through Through the annual end and Anita so I write about the fact that how much they miss you know food and drinking wine and things like that. So it had to be some shake shifter. I I. Don't know I I because I write so much available with annual in Mica and if I lived in a world where I wouldn't be ended down with guns because I changed the animal I would go with wear leopard if I had to adapt to animal that might possibly be not reported to the police ran around the neighborhood, it would be full years. Most people don't know the difference minute coyote wool. Most people down it's the closest I could come to into my environment quote unquote and we definitely have nothing that looks like a leopard around here. The you know we get an occasional cougar sightings and forty miles or so of me probably juvenile of Gwinnett looking zone territory but. So my head to blend, it would have to be wearable 'cause I would pretend there was a coyote but in the coyotes, right here we go. All Hell we're out of here. You smell that GONNA lead us. But if it was just I don't know. It would be weren't probably one of the Catholic anthropoids. There are not other the where rule. So there aren't a lot of dog basically cancerous. Will. Will. Because, we'll are are pretty much some kind of wool is the pinnacle of of Canine Creditor trail. and. You know every place you go in the world if they have hunted them to extinction, there is a lord predatory cap of some kind. So No. Eggs No. No well, that was clearly Scott's choice. Most of the La- can't mostly shifting to dogs is actually not a type of disease from the phone or that I can find it is not a Whit, some witches dogs, but that's rare lately two cats rabbits has gotten but dogs are usually inherited for the hanthropy are shape shifting and they are gardens like family guardians most of the dogs that I could go back to nas factor logs, totally different animal. condescended. They are more. Almost haunting and they also can be a family guardians over the centuries or they guard piece of road or whatever. Usually they're black with blazing eyes or something, and then of course, the wild hunt has the dogs the spectrum house that's more married Anita. So, you've been writing I needed for a long time. But before all of that, what's the first story you ever remember writing complete completed beginning to end maybe even even before that? Yes. Okay well, my first attempts at stories I was I tried to imitate a Louisa May, alcott little women little. They has. and. People go. The. Louise may offer surprised by that, and I say, well, she's the first woman that I read that. I found through dark in the library had supported for Entira family extended family and from her writing and just knowing that a woman in that time period could do that. Made me admire her even more I would not find out until decades later, the she actually wrote ghost stories and horror stories and made some of her money before the more homey stories took off a writing for pulp fiction magazines. So I look. So my early attempts were. Attempts like that. Very. Louise May alcott baby. Ireland that kind of thing, and then I walked into a drugstore versus store Combo near near my home whereas raised and they had on the little tern. Wire timetable where the paperbacks were. they had a short story Pacheco Pigeons from Hell. Robert E Howard short story by Robert Our creator Conan's which I'd never heard of at that time and it was first. Dark fantasy wrote fancy in horror. I ever read I was like thirteen fourteen it was the first outright that kind of dark stuff I never read, and from the moment I read those short stories I is a writer knew that not only did I want to be a writer for sure I wanted this I Hey I wanted to write I wouldn't rank four I wanted to write fostering. This is what I wanted to write and so before of team. So the euros fourteen I finished by for short story after reading this and I also found Edgar Allan Poe and lovecraft and. Andrea Norton for science fiction and. This was line gateway drug are gateway whatever to the genres, and so at fourteen finished first stories beginning to end it was it was completely were completely like almost splatter pump. It was. It was a family in a monster killed everybody. The only person survived was the baby kroll to the forest with implication would never be uninsured die. Era finished everyone died it was complete bloodbath and one of the best things that my my uncle. Uncle monk did for me is a is a writer in an artist. Is he read the story and he didn't want he didn't tell me I needed a psychiatrist. Pat Me on the head. So that's really good. Could have gone so much more pear-shaped you know. Do other parents that kind of story they go. Oh my God. What have we done? Wrong. But I love. My family just took it in stride and patted me on the Henson as. On an end because they didn't tell me, it was horrible. I was able to consider pursue in right the dark stories and. A horror straight horror for for years of I fifteen I'm raining vampire vampire story by and by seventeen I was submitting. Stories to professional publications to try to get them published and fat in for the Internet I was using writers, digest writers of in the writer to get addresses in things. To, send out and that helped teach me how to do professionally. I A wonderful teacher of. In. High School whose name I have now blanked on the love of God. Right. But she she. Library would get rid of magazines like for a penny a pop. When they were the throw them out while she got back copies of the Ryder and writer's Digest. She brought me an arm. Love. And that was how I learned what I needed to do professionally. Managers say that I realize as decades later, she may have meant for me to use them and bring the map or other students, but I didn't take. and. She didn't have the heart to ask for them back. Bless her heart. So either way you know really she she that's why I'm upset I can't I'm blanking on the name is A. I. Don't WanNa give the wrong name because that's I think I'm I'm I'm really bad. I'm only bad on names always have been a good on faces. On, remembering details a visit of face hair. If you change your here, I will not know you the next time I see. If you cut it too short if you cut short a wrote really long are colored differently or even a haircut that's too extreme for the last time I saw you. I will not know you until you introduce yourself to me Oh my Gosh Scott is feeling very seen. That's you guys have that same very, very much. that. Is. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing especially somebody that he should know and they're talking to you and is somebody okay. I'm on the back of my books. So people will come up and talk to me that I really don't know right and and. talked me into of term I know I do this so Them for well because I don't know if I know them and they just changed their mirror. I love that a so great I love it. We're living in this strange pandemic. How has it affected your creativity and writing process? Will initially I just I finished sucker punch just before lockdown like a week we can happen for lockdown and so. I've been as the question for months doing the book, but I finally finished it enough to send to draft since New York. And then about a week later. So we were in lockdown we I ended this book while all the beginning the stuff is going on in this was before. The tragedy George Floyd this is before the protests. All says editing was done and it was a done deal for the year even weirder an awful. So The big on the editor was for my I think my editor in my in my managing editor probably had more of a problem in that because they could no longer be at their job into the publishing house 'cause close. They couldn't go they still can't go. And working from home working remotely. Thank. God for technology but for them I'm I'm pretty sure they had a hard time at least I was still in my office still where I normally work and they were on their own just isolated at home. They didn't have the staff they didn't have all the things around them that they normally do. So I would think the editing process was probably harder in weird on. On me after that. African has emails, people calling me texting me. So the got attention then I tried to go back to riding in that was when the news and everything else really muscled man I had trouble focusing. I had trouble hearing through you know I think we've all gone. We're all doing the grief process together where agree grieving what not just what's happening the news we're grieving what are ordinary lies were like and with her is good better indifferent. It is a change in changes perceived by most of us. In fact, we're all hardware that change equals grief that you that's what so many people will stay a massive. Change is actually sometimes more painful initially than a positive change. Our mind. So perceive it is is negative. There is on that One is any change in your environment back on our ancestors were were Helen around fire at night and short instead for than anything else to save them from the things that would eat them the change in your environment usually equal danger. So we're still hardwired as if you know the tires GonNa Jeff Out in. Even in Suburbia, and so any change kind of hits the visceral level. I had to make a rule rule is this I do not get on the Internet I do not get online I do not trust the news I do not. The only thing I'm allowed to check before I. Go to my desk is the weather. The weather. In because it messes with me, there's no way to look at these headlines and over these last few months and this down in get into a mindset to create there's just no way to do it. So I had to relieve eastern strict with myself ago. Have you made pages today than you cannot get online know took the news. You just can't a it's because it's twenty, four, seven, three, sixty, five I mean amid never stops thanks to the Internet. There's always news and thanks to six to or global news. There's always something wrong somewhere. It's it's insane, you. Can't touch a break even when things were normal, it's hard. But during this absolutely, not just just say stay off of the same way from it there's nothing I can do it doesn't. If I had a regular job, this support, my family, my job supports my entire Obama. As my for my daughter to go to college the whole thing if I had a regular job, I wouldn't get on the news and let that stop me from working the differences that if I had a regular job I probably go into see people I would have people asking me to do my job I would have customers I would have other people I would have other people to help me focus on the job at hand is lighter. Your office by yourself there's nothing but you to discipline yourself. There's nothing but you and your personal demons and your music to do get out, and if you bring in the outside world too much than it fuels the negative side, the point where there's no way we're past it. So yeah the big thing is that I've even gotten more off line. Is The book has come closer of you know I've gotten world twitter and started some threads. Asking about characters and stuff a survivor character thing because I am going to do more smaller novels. And it's interesting to see that the people that I had decided needed smalls. Their cells are the same people that fans are asking for and saying they would like to see them get more stage time which has been very fun. But yeah, that's the big thing. I really tried ivory tower myself. Once I step into my office even more than I normally do because otherwise it's very rare to create in and do my job. I is a writer on the weird thing about my job is that is that I take. I don't even know if it's just inspiration, but it's like is is a writer. You Soak a things around you and you never know what's going to hit you. Right or wrong or Burgundian or people were you writing is in your book's going will. Sit It's too soon I'm not a nonfiction writer I'm a fiction writer. So this year go in will perk the my subconscious I've got one short story idea that may come sooner in. If I do do that one, it will be directly from this year, but I got to let it. Through and make sure that I am is short story not just my emotional in paper his people are putting enough emotion out there I do not need to add. while I have something to kind of bring up the mood about your ivory tower. As you go your office, we love to visualize people's workspaces when they're creating what is your favorite item that you keep in your office in God one favorite. or or or or talk about just how how you how you build your office to surround yourself with things that inspire you and make you happy. We'll. Most for working is a good view. Eager Expansive Gray or I. You know I keep swearing. I'M GONNA. You know we we gone to the ocean and I've a couple of books with the oceans view and that's my favorite dude right to mountains. A good view having said that on days that I'm having trouble concentrating I have one computer. My may compete looks at wall because on days when my concentration is not good I can't even look outside and riot because I go Burr Oud. An world, there's I care not if the concentration is bad. If somebody walks past my view I'm thrown out of my book so. Any one blank wall. And then I won New Independent on my level concentration I will go back and forth I am blessed and I've worked really hard to have an office that I was able to help the architect design I had input on it. And I personally base my office on pictures of Roger Tory Peterson's. Or Studio I don't have a slate gout here but but I have skylights that have shades it can come and go up and down the mountain, which is Dallas. I have skylights this I like a lot of light everybody you know so many people may fans think I write in the dungeons, I like like, I'm. I'm a hawk I want to be on top of everything I. Want to end the best possible I want to seize many miles around I can I like to see people come in? And I want as much. Light is possible. That's really that's really a I. I'm kind of a light junkie when I create. Now, if the muses running good and horror I can write anywhere I really can but but to get into that mindset to slip into that mindset light do. I write really well around blue or green walls. and. That may be because the my childhood bedroom was pale-blue. So I, right. Well, around the collar that I was originally raised the first place I learned to read the first place. I wrote ever was blue blue walls, and so I really do pay attention to the color of my surroundings. I write better I tremendously better in a Pale Blue Room I I've lived in places rented we couldn't use color and it really does it really does impact me. So for me for me it is. It is I I need at least a blank wall interview if possible but. cluttering kind of person. Which means I like his Are I, like Erlich Cop Chalk Trust, Chomsky's. I. Like I like stones and crystals pretty things trending things. I'm a big fan of Likely Statues Stone Aminals so It is it is not a a niece process, Irish people that I know it's an all my stacks the only time I feel like I have to clean my office is when I look around stacks dust in I don't know what's in them. If lost traffic of insects this time to clean up the way I knew everything is don't touch my stuff. Love that's the litmus test. So this is I have to tell you. This is absolutely hilarious because you and Scott are sounding like the same person more with like everything you say like it is so funny you guys are cut from the same cloth. Well, you know I take take a compliment. We we. I don't know maybe it is. You know we don't faces while we know faces that he changed the outer appearance you know there actually the more studies I do in how how mine truly works Neuro Neuroscience I actually am beginning to believe that certain characteristics like that. Really do go together well, and obviously you guys are my type of people because I adore you both. So this is perfect. Will you know we are going to go ahead and let you go but thank you so much for joining us. We are humbled has been an absolute honor Oh so much. Thank you so much. So Much Scott it has been really fun. To to be on with you and. In just just talk and share. The view. This wonderful. Technology Park. Welcome to the spoiler section who, okay let's get into this book I'm. I'm excited because I had a lot of fun with it. I have a lot of things to say about it too. That sounds ominous. It's not ominous at all. You know when being dropped in the middle of a series like this. You know not having had conversations about a for what twenty years yeah I. You know I feel like there's so much stuff that I have to like get off my chest in disgust with people. You've got to go through that for so long. I haven't. Yeah. I've had a lot of friends that read these books and and we've talked about them over the years and yeah no, it's very true. Well I I. Don't know I. Feel like I should let you start. Well. Okay. First of all I. Love Anita Blake. I was not expecting her to be the I don't I. Don't know what I was expecting with her honestly maybe you had no expectations maybe that's was good I didn't really have expectations. I guess like I said reading through some of the wikipedia things I feel like it was a mistake i. had this I had this image in my head of this this image that I had was. Know a shallow bad, ass. Maybe a little bit vapid but strong character. That's the way that it Kinda made her sound. Oh No. That is not what she is. She is now readily smart, incredibly vulnerable but just absolutely so good at her job she's a complete complete bad ass, and she is good at her job and she's good at working the cases and all that cool stuff that you want in this kind detective eat you know sort of novel? and. She's just an absolute bad, ass very capable and now she has all of these enhanced Cana supernatural abilities to which just makes her character even richer as the years have gone on. I appreciate that twenty seven books in she still able to introduce a A moral dilemma. There's a lot like this book twenty seven. Books in. Introducing New Lord to the world new questions on how things work as well as introducing new moral quandaries to Anita and where she has to ask herself she doing the right thing absolutely because we have this whole issue with the warrant of execution and you know how she and Newman, and everybody you're supposed to handle this. And that's I mean it's it's kind of some stuff that's uncharted territory and Anita talks about that in here and is speaking on keeping it fresh to we brought this up in the interview and I really really applaud her for putting in. Some nods to mental health the importance of mental health with the characters in this book, the males and the females alike, the the tough bad ass people you know being like hey. It's okay to have feelings and to have to work through things really cool where all about normalizing mental health and it's really nice to see that Anita is still in therapy and the still working on herself to the writing is incredibly emotionally mature. The characters are not necessarily emotionally mature share by is approached from a from a from a level where the author is clearly very experienced in in navigating some of these these. Questions in these emotions. Yeah, and I think that's you know that's okay that we're feeling things with her and you know, Kinda going through all all those motions with her makes her very relatable I've forgotten how much I love the woman for the amount of cursing I feel so seen. So see because we all know that I curse just very naturally. It's not be trying to sound any sort of way I'm just. A salty old sailor and Sosa Nita and isn't it good news that they're swearing in the interview so that this is an explicit episode and you can say whatever you want. Yes, I love it. I. Love It. So I want talk all of the characters that are in this book because that is the one thing that there is a little bit of me feeling a little over my head I I, definitely felt for Duke because. Okay. So obviously, Duke is not a series regular. There's some other characters in here that that aren't part of the series. So so here's this this sheriff and he has a basically a murder suspect who is supposed to be executed. He can't do it. So you know the call on the marshals and then the marshal calls in another Marshall who calls in somebody else and eventually there's just this this clown car of where animals entering this town like all of a sudden the population has tripled because all of her friends that have showed up to help her out well, the collision boy yet. I'm being a little funny about it made sense and it was a lot of fun to introduce all the different all that different character dynamic. It's an especially important when it gets to the point when she's you know communicating with Olaf. About her sexual desires with a lot of her other partners I wanna talk about that scene. My point is there was a lot of there was a lot of introduction of characters that I wanted to know more about and I feel I did not feel any emotional attachment to because they didn't have a lot to do well, not in this burke began. That's kind of like I think the idea and I hope the idea is that they caught your attention and you want to know more they were just. They had something to do in this story, but they like a lot of the. Characters Anita's life are not a huge part of this particular story to be told I. Appreciate. Something that Laurel said in our interview about the cares wanting to be on stage and her basically having to tell him no, tell me no, this is not your time. There's not enough room in the car. There's so many points in this book as soon as she said, I realized where they have to be driving A. Car Only, so many people can fit in the car or duke says, Hey, they do not have badges they are not police they cannot be involved in this investigation. They can't be in this scene and I thought that was really smart. It was almost late in hindsight very funny. It's almost like Duke was helping her control, all these characters and their Luke Duke is an interesting. He is a bit of a bigot. But at the same time, a was able to have empathy for him which I appreciate. This is a really cool way that she wrote him like that I, like to Duke a lot because there are definitely a lot of points when you just really dislike him. Off So bad. But I actually do believe just like Anita kind of suspected that we not seeing him on his best day I think so too and that's always important and an exercise in compassion for us all. About the situations we meet people in. So I do kind of like I, want to kind of jump to that like a little bit of the relationship stuff. So off is one of my favorite characters in this series another sociopath sociopath, he's not he's not dead but I. Know Edward Ed. Ted Yeah you know you're in the spoiler section. So you know what we're talking about but. He is fascinating and I love that he is a fan favorite because I mean I. He's so bad and problematic and not a good person, and now he's also part lion. But I find him on ending Lee Fascinating and I just love reading the books where he shows up in it but I mean for girl like me that's not too surprising. But I love that all these other fans are like more of and she's like, okay. It's interesting to me the way that he was introduced in this book because I really disliked him from the very beginning and I was your of him from the very beginning, oh. Yeah and I still don't know how I feel about where I feel like their relationship is going because he seems even though he's trying so hard and apparently his word truly is that good yes he's so. I don't WanNa say evil because the the hard part about him is because he does not have the capability of having those like seeing the moral the he doesn't have empathy for other people. He doesn't have that capability so I. Of Not really a term that fits him. Here's the thing is sometimes sometimes in books, children sometimes in books, people, characters, situations are problematic. They're weird they're troubling. There's something that you would not engage in or promote in real life and everybody has to find their comfort level with characters and plots in situations like that for me I know all those things about Olaf and I still really adore reading about the character and I'm just kinda strapped in and down for the ride of wherever it takes us but it's Important to remember is sometimes you have to suspend the disbelief certain and and enjoy the ride, and just because there is a lot of like in this novels a great example, there's a lot of wonderful high points of morality and ethics doesn't mean that everything has to be perfectly clean cut. Am I making sounds like with what I'm saying I do relationships emotions are messy. Yeah and nothing is perfect and he is far from perfect. He is very, very far from perfect but is Magnetic. He's interesting Oh definitely, and attraction is obvious and now we have this side to his character since he's become a lion where he has something that he can give a Nieta that is beneficial and that doesn't mean that like all the sudden it's like, wow, all off all your sins are forgiven like and I don't think that anybody has painted it. That way everybody is really aware of how problematic he is. But again, this is not a situation that anybody's ever going to run into in real life. So it's okay. It's okay to have a little bit of of time with it and enjoy the journey at the ending of the book when it's clear that he is he's killed Jocelyn. I. Oh well, okay. He he does care about something. He does actually have a sense of justice and then I mean like kind of thought about it was like, well, no he. He's just kind of like a house cat bringing the mouse that they just killed their. To their to their person's feet like, Hey, I did this for you. Just like he has his you know they've imposed these sets of rules on him for who he can kill in staff. This is one of those cases where he kind of goes out on a high note for you because everybody loves a little step of vigilante justice when we know that somebody really really done wrong and Oh my God I was seething at Jocelyn I was seething at that character and I was look. Good somebody needs to take her out and thank God I love. Let's. Jump into a little bit of the relationships staff. So this book was not as heavy on the sexy erotic times as some of the other ones where there's a lot of sensuality in this book, which sometimes her are more about the sensuality than like. depictions of people actually having sex So you know that I. Guess We all know that you're the spoiler section. So there is more graphic sex and some of the other books. Yes. Okay. For sure. So that scene in the hotel room was. Like my favorite scene in the book. It was at times. Funny. It was at times intense. It was just it was all over the place in the best possible way a need is absolute humiliation. But like it not in a way where you felt anybody was like bullying or berating her. Ordering her and her inner dialogue was just completely like kill me. Like. It was so such a great example of all of that stuff in her writing playing off of each other. It's a balancing act because they're all talking about her in a way almost like she's not there but they're doing it to support her. This is a conversation that that she needs to be having that that they need to be having and she has the support group around her who know her and are helping her have that conversation that she is. Way Too uncomfortable to be having in that moments. That's it exactly, and these are all people that love her and care about her and a get into talking about kink a little bit because that is a part of the books as she probably picked up at a part of rata is Kinda like a little bit kinky be DSM type of stuff which is much more interesting than just to Hetero characters boringly going at it. I mean any of the League I Love I love the them trying to define vanilla. Oh. My God. I don't I, don't know if you know what my version of vanilla sex is. So we should probably define that tall my gosh. Perfect and kind of not even on the sex side. There was a part that I highlighted that just really touched me and it's when she's near the beginning of the book and she says I was marrying John Claude and Mica was married Nathaniel. They would be my intended forever and I would be there as we would intend to marry one indefinitely while we waited for the law to catch up with our hearts. And is like. Sue Sweet, and there's lots of depictions of how her poly group and her her people, how much they love and care for each other and it's just really it's just really really sweet. So I I have had some experience with poly-amorous people. We do not yet Paul em and I think that the idea of that is is the idea that when it's pure and win, it's and win. It's practiced is actually very beautiful and and is a wonderful thing for a lot of people not for me. I mean. Yeah and that's because everybody's different. Yes. But when it's done right when it's done honestly and truthfully it's beautiful. It really is well, of course it's I think that's exactly what she's trying to say it's just like monogamy is you know it's a beautiful thing. And It makes these characters a lot more interesting and it makes. The stakes a lot higher in some cases because there is multiple hearts and feelings involved So that's really really interesting stuff too. So there's some great like I mentioned the candidate vigilante thing. There's some great stuff where she talks about and I highlighted them you know with like people not getting their justice not getting you know served how they needed to be and I appreciated that it's a little bit of Canada a real world check in at points to not just makes all of those you know makes you feel much more passionate for Anita and everybody trying to do the. Right, thing, by Bobby Yeah, we've talked a lot of a lot about the relationships the plot itself is really exciting I. I was I was left guessing the entire time and not and not because it was too. It's like I definitely had some guesses and I don't know about three quarters of the way through I. Felt I guessed right on who was involved we we had a little conversation. You had a little conversation we were definitely on the same page. With Canada cracking this mystery and that's I mean that's not because it's a poorly written mystery. It's just gone. I have read so much mystery in our lives that were good at sloughing out clues and motivations was it was a good Mr gots a sign in my opinion of a good mystery. If you if you are able you, you don't necessarily have to. But if you're able to put the pieces together before the reveal I, think that that is a satisfying mystery. Crafted yes. Exactly and with like then leaving clues for us in the detectives to solve along with each other. And that's yeah. No, that's important because they have to be written in such a way that they're subtle or you know you catch somebody lying or whatever the situation is, and you know when Rico was just so sullen and really just like he was involved when when the aunts and uncle broke into the house, they called him to see if there was a deer up in the tree and he probably looked and saw that it was there and hit it. You know I was like some things up with that dude yeah. There was some there was stuff about him from the beginning that raises your hackles a little bit and it just Kinda keeps your going and going and going. We kinda talked about it just a second ago. I do want to circle back around to it. The justice for Bobby and bobby as a character just being someone that you feel a lot of sympathy for and that was I mean it was hard. It was hard summit to read some of the stuff he was going through. Wasn't it was a little it was heart wrenching. It was I really wanted bobby survive I was I was terrified for. Him I was sad for him because he was just so heartbroken his range of emotions when when you know at first, he thought it was him and then he started believe it wasn't him but he was still just. So desperately afraid that he was going to die will and he's the he's the only shifter around for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and everybody knows that he's a you know that he's Leopard and everything and. There's something about that. That's like makes you feel already compassion for him because he's an outsider. And that he is living in this small town and in this area where everybody knows everybody and everybody's in each other's business and he how's this thing about him? That makes him really different from everyone else and it's something it's something he can't control. It's something that just is who he is. I was kind of torn on how I felt the way that his family even treated him. Outside of you know. Well now, Jocelyn was working him for years. Yeah. But the way he was kind of treated like a house cat will he even says in the pictures I look like the Family Dog, right? Yeah he's he wasn't. Like. He was never. Fully fully into it because I don't know like I don't question it all that his uncle ray loved him dearly and did this and did the best that he could and you know maybe that's the best way to embrace the leper that's inside of him as is when the Leopard is forward is that's the best way knew how to treat. Yeah. To treat him as as family no excuse for Jocelyn she's not included in this conversation, but something about that just seemed sad. Yeah. Yeah you feel pity you feel empathy we feel you feel sad. You know his leopard. Well, it quote unquote not that powerful his lippard is a strong beautiful creature that's been reduced to a house cat. It is something about that. Just made me feel very sad for him. He was just never able to be fully strong. Yeah. To be fully himself and I mean obviously that can be applied to I think a lot of people have felt that way about many different aspects of themselves in their family life and I think that people could really see themselves in that character that kind of being ostracized. And especially, you know it's like we all know from the beginning as the reader we know that bobby didn't do this. We know it did anyway I was like totally did not do this I was I felt pretty sure but I was not I was not not expecting a twist where he was really behind it all I was thinking there's a possibility that this could be him and Jocelyn together and he just got it kind of got swept up in it somehow but then again, he was the one who is caught so I felt like Y-. The red herring kind of he wouldn't. He wouldn't have been able to rely on Newman being the out now, the Marshall that's assigned to them I just came across this one highlight that I had that I love so much and it's Anita's inner dialogue that said, I was not less just because you could out lift me in the weight room. We all had our strengths and weaknesses. Some people could do the math for astrophysics other people could drive. A stick shift no one person could do it all I love that there's a lot of that kind of vibe and hear about you know Cana being you and embracing you and like what your strengths are and stuff i. love that I love that kind of that kind of vibe and that was a perfect quote for it. She may not be able to do anything, but she can certainly beat the shit out of a wear leopard that says was so. Chance to subdue bobby. Yeah. Of course, it was horrible for Bobby and I was afraid he may have been dead for a while there. But so was she the imagery of him changing and her just just wailing on him even Duke says it's got a hell of a haymaker something along those lines. Yeah. No she can definitely, she has a lot of physical hand to hand combat training that's a ground throughout the books. So can I ask kind of a fun question kind of the floral as well? Oh, I know exactly what's coming go for it if you could be. A supernatural creature in this world for what you know of them right now and I know you don't know everything but would you want to be a vampire some sort of a shape shifter and of so what animal a animator? What are you think? So it's a little bit hard because I really haven't been introduced to the vampires in this world. They're they're very late Jean Claude is the king. They're very kind of like area hierarchy. Yeah I, definitely get. Just, say Yeah I get the impression that it's very much like the camera in the world of Darkness Sha. Yes. Ansa said a good similarly and that's the case I actually don't want to be a vampire because there's a whole lot about stabbing chickens. Yeah. Vampires come with politicking. Everybody always forgets that they want the funds sexy romantic. Children of the night vibe in it's like you know you're GonNa have to politic here. So I would have to be aware octopus. Stop I don't know if they exist but that's me. I would just go out to the ocean every full moon and just go swim around and catch fish and collect coconut shells and then. Well. You know. Let you gave me an honest answer. I can't fault you for that. Be a great where octopus. Great and I don't know maybe some will I mean you're not out of the politics could still end up as somebody's animal to call you know. But what are they going to have? You do slow you might they might have you steal things because octopuses are very sneaky. Now that's that's just analyst. At certain grief it's. Just an idea. Who says if I was aware octopus that I would have to be part of the coalition or they might. They might Cana Maki. Roll you if that's the case I, probably would like to be like Edward. Prior. To the end of this book I think I would just like to be a bad ass human. I feel you on that I would have no problem being yeah. Is that is that one of the creatures of this book a sociopath because there's a lot of them. For. True. Yeah. No. I would definitely be kind of a bad as human I. Think would be my preference as well. I've always loved the idea of the animators stuff and you know that goes into some epic places and some other books. But considering I'm you know like a vegetarian I'm not going to be sacrificing an animal every time I need to raise the dead. So that's like straight out for me. Unfortunately, I speaking of epic stuff. Apparently, there's a book where she raises a Zombie Army I wanna read that one absolutely a deal. But I mean of course I. Love Cats I. Love Shaped Shifter's I love like and terms of all strokes. So I would be down to be any sort of liken throat because I'm all about that life Pity Ya, I think. I. JUST WANNA kill bad people with Edward. 'cause love him. Well, I guess it's time to say good night good night. Yes. Sir. It is I I will say I think a lot of people who are listening to this section already love and adore these books. I would think so I I, just WANNA say at least with this one I'm with you now I get you now I understand you get this worldwide millions of copy sold phenomena. It's a lot of fun and it's also really meaningful and powerful it is and You know I kind of outlined it a little bit earlier. But I, of course, want to end on a little bit of a sappy note. You know that I just really appreciate the character of Anita and what? Laurel K Hamilton has done with that I'm the type of girl who speaks her mind and I mean I am very polite and I'm very considered of people's emotions Lisa try to be but you know I've been definitely called a ball buster bitch all all that stuff so many times and I don't mind because if that means I'm on the same caliber as Anita, then she sister will take it. All right, everybody. Obviously, we love this book. I don't think we're going to give it a star rating because it's a little little different than our normal flavors since it's part of a series like this but we obviously bolt had a tremendous time reading this book. Thank you Laurel for being on the show. Thank you for writing Sucker Punch. Fantastic read goodnight Scott good night Sandra. Please keep reading pasture bedtime. So Sandra was so nervous to talk to Laurel K Hamilton. She was so nervous. So I get nervous before every single interview and Sandra is so professional and so calm and she teases me. Nervous Bene- thing she gets nervous about nothing and Sandra was just so nervous to talk to her and I think I would be curious to hear why specifically. I think for me it's just because I've been reading these books for so long and I've been invested in the characters and in the world I don't want to not be anymore and if this author that I've been reading since I was a teenager. Was Mean Rude to? flippant not that any author has ever ever been that way that I've met on this show in verson every author I've ever met has been fricken lovely and at least professional if not warm and fuzzy, which most of them are just warm and fuzzy lovely to talk to. But I was worried that like what if she's awful and I have to throw in the towel of this? Incredible. Investment of. Books and characters emotional investment, not financial of since I, I mean for like twenty years or whatever. Okay. Not Quite twenty years that I've been reading the bugs but damn near you know and I was like what if I have to throw in that Tau because if somebody is awful I? mean. To me I would never wanna read their books again I'd be like, fuck you you know. And so it was like Oh God don't be a bad person that I have to give up now because I don't WanNa give it up. Give it up. It's so funny because you're right. Every author we've talked to has been wonderful and lovely. I in fact, this this this show in my mind has kind of evolved over time to be a celebration of the author's so much because I have fallen in love with authors so much I'm so fascinated and delighted by what they do and I'm so excited to to learn about them and and hear about them and talk to them. But This is kind of the first time where it someone that we that that one of us has. So. Much history with right like it's you know again, this is authors that I've been reading a long time are it's not a huge list. It's you know been reading her books for a long time been reading Stephen King and Rice for very very long time. At this point, I've been reading Joe Hill for a long time. You know it's it's not a huge huge list of authors an especially one that reaches this far back into my teens like that. It's like heart don't fuck this up. Don't fuck this up and make me have to throw out this. Characters and I didn't think that Laurel K Hamilton repeat lake that I really didn't. But you know it's like the stakes were high that I didn't want to be let down and I wasn't.

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#91 Dr. Anita: What Youre Really Good At

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#91 Dr. Anita: What Youre Really Good At

"The Satellite Lounge presents evening with the progressive box. That's you go tickling the Ivories he just saved by bundling home and Auto Progressive GonNa finally by ring for that Gal of Yours Hugo sending my condolences this next one there's in my aw thank you progressive casualty. Insurance Company and affiliates discount's not available in all states or situations welcome. Everybody's time once again for the next chapter with Charlie hedges as he explores turning the page John His life and yours. Hey Charlie Hey Paul. It's nice to be here. You Talk Radio. Hello and welcome all our listens to the next chapter with Charleena's is where we dissect strategies and tactics used by successful people to make life changes necessary for their meaningful life and their meaningful next chapter and I learned from all of our guests and I hope my listeners to do because is it helps us decide what we're going to our next chapter not today. We have a really exciting guests because I'm very I'm very excited about the topic and as I've spent some time with Dr Anita our guest I have <hes> <hes> <music>. I'm looking forward to this show a lot so my guest is Dr Anita and I hope it pronounce your name correctly polite Wilson correct polite Wilson and she's affectionately known as Dr Anita and Dr Anita's served as an executive coach a workshop facilitator organizational development consultant helping people and teams raise their awareness and this is important and what will be talking about and leveraging individual strengths strengths to accelerate organizational performance with over twenty years of experience. She is a scholar practitioner with a deep knowledge. She refuses to call herself an expert. Now we had a long talk about the difference between Deep Knowledge College and expert but she has deep knowledge in Adult Learning coaching mentoring and implementation of organizational leadership initiatives aligned with the goals in exempt in an objectives of corporate government and nonprofit entities so with that. Let's bring on Dr Anita Dr Neto welcome to the next chapter with Charlie. Hello Charlie thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited well. I am excited too because you know you spoke talk to a group of <hes> high level businesswomen e level businesswoman at my wife's group that she runs and she's had for Gosh eight or nine years now called influential women which which is all executive executive women and she said you're meshing your message would be perfect for this. Show which makes me even more excited about talking to you and about how you attain success and using maybe a bit different methodology than we've focused on. I'm such a believer in lifelong learning and you talk about focusing on leveraging your personal strings and I put instead of focusing so much time on improving your non strengths and weaknesses which seems to be seems to be the habit of organization is let's take a look at what you're not good at and let's that's make you good at that when we could be focusing on an entirely different arena talk about that well I am a Gallup certified strengths coach and for those who are not familiar with that. There's a book called strengths binders two point. Oh and I discovered that in the late nineties early to thousands in literally changed my life when understood what my top-five strengths were but then when I really understood what my top two strengths were it made so much more sense and I think the biggest challenge that leaders have is because they're always looking at the deficit. What do I need to do to make things better? What do I need to do to get to the next level? Do I need to do the capture the next audience we seem to forget that that does not necessarily apply to people and that if we help people take what they're good at and build upon that we don't need to worry about about their opportunity areas I e weaknesses unless it's in the interpersonal development skills. That's my personal philosophy because if you're always focusing on what's wrong. How're you ever GonNa feel good about what's right yeah exactly and and and it's what you do right is what macy's successful and if you focus on on developing that area or leveraging as you said that area then you're going to be much more successful than spending all your time on some pity any little thing but I like what you said you said something? I'd never heard before you said you said those kinds of improvements may be good for organizations but they're not good for the people that's right and I think a lot of times leaders seem to forget that organizations are made up of people and to move the Organization for you must move people forward and to move people for you really need to focus on what they're already good at. I like to to present the concept of success partnerships for example if I need to put together a presentation for report and I'm not that good at the research but you are. I'm going to partner with you to help. We get the research done so that I can make the presentation. which is what I am good at? Here's the thing before I get started. I'm going to openly acknowledge and this presentation really really benefited from Charlie's expertise and his subject matter knowledge knowledge so let's give some appreciate into Charlie. What have I done right there number one? I've brought you into the forefront and actually made a whole new audience aware of what you can do and so now your expertise is out there as a leader sure. How cool is that to say? Wow someone acknowledged me in this audience and so now they know what I'm good at so. I don't feel beat up because I'm no good research but I have the good sense to partner with you and give credit for it is oh you do. That's perfect. That's that's amazing and your bill. You're building relationship with that person so if you happen to be coaching or mentoring that person it becomes more about that person than it does become about about you. Absolutely never relationship is certainly going to grow and the trust level between the two of you is going to increase incredibly absolutely and work gets down to relationships. We forget that yeah we're GonNa talk a bit about that and because I saw you know as I was reading through your materials that communication <hes> was was so important in work does get done with relationships and and so many so many <hes> you know I bring this up and and and I'm I'm an outlier in the twelfth step community in that they believe so much in Dan Program and it's the program that brings about sobriety or the end of drug abuse whatever it is and I'm all the time telling them that the program is very helpful. It's essential I mean it is so there's nothing wrong with the program and I and I'm a strong advocate of the program but what makes the differences relationship absolutely to Houma my accountable to whom can i. WHO CAN I go to if I'm struggling wrestling? Do I trust that person. That's what's going to bring about change of life. It's that is that relationship is going to bring about change of life. It's not well. I don't want to say it's not the program. The program helps the program definitely helps but if you only had program without relationship chip it would feel and I think in addition to that the most critical relationship that we miss the mark on is the relationship with ourselves. One of my tag lines <hes> for my facebook page is stabilised to keep it real. We are are blessed to be a blessing and less. We keep it real with ourselves. I we can't keep a real with other people analysts you keep a real then you really don't have a two relationship and so just being being real is huge real enough to say what's going on with me. Where's this coming from? How do I deal with it? I don't know how to deal with it. Where can I find someone to be a success partner for me to deal with it? Whatever that is? He likes success partner. You know I'm listening to a book right now. On <hes> I rarely listen to audio books especially if they're ten hours long but but I'm listening to this audio book called the Book of Freedom and the book doc talks about two different types of cells the small south and the divine self and the divine self does not mean you're you know you're seeing or and right right doing all this kind of stuff but the small self is built on ego which is built on the need for self esteem and the need for self importance and right along with what you're saying if we're focusing on that small self off and focusing and that's based on fair veras what causes us to need greater self esteem or greater self importance and if we can remove that fair and remove that we can we can be ourselves. We're free to be be. The kind of person you were talking about. That is knows yourself is comfortable with yourself and works in accord with that rather than what other people are expecting absolutely. I've heard this wonderful full little acronym for fear falls evidence appearing real and I think I think our president has something different podcast political. The widow were false evidence appearing real. It's a little word that's got a huge impact. In what causes fear is the unknown so I don't know what's going on regardless of the issue or the situation or the circumstances. There's going to be some fear involved in that when we can step back and again keep a real with ourselves so that we can be real with other people that eliminates the power that fear has over US false evidence. Appearing real is basically when we start making up story that I hear because we don't know what we don't know soon as we begin to get some knowledge some information some data points then that fair begins aside. You know you you said once again. You said a statement quickly that really needs to be. Focused on and I'm in the middle of of startups and and in the startup community that is such an important statement you don't know what you don't know and and it sounds like the sound of one handclapping at first but it's not you just do not aware of what you don't know and then when you learn these things you change your entire strategy and all of that seems to work really well together absolutely end just as important as your strengths are our understanding what your strengths are not and that's part of knowing what you don't know. I know I don't know this. That's not a strength. I need to find a success partner th really pretty simple. I think we make it harder than eastern. How would you mean by leveraging <hes> if you know the areas that you're strong in continue to focus on those areas that you're not strong in and again unless it's interpersonal skills because as we've already said were is done through relationships has not to say that we manipulate US people is to say when you have relationships with someone you're more likely to go out of your way for them and they're more likely to go out of their way for you so but when we talk about leveraging our strengths is this is important to know what we're not good at so the we've got the initiative if the goal fine that success partner that we need and therefore everyone has value everyone brings something to the table everyone does? I'm a firm believer in that yeah I I have seen that in all the teamwork that I have done. I mean works with teams that that even the most of the person the lowest regarded person really does have something to bring to the table or the person who really is seen as the biggest irritant on the team one of the examples that I use my talk to leaders. I say okay now now. Think about <hes> negative ned nobody ever wants negative net around but if you've got an important proposal that we're trying to get Paul to accept and I know it and and Dan we think between you and Charlie that we've got this proposal is just GonNa Knock Paul socks off <hes>. Do we want negative net to look at that. Yes we do. Here's why you and I already in group. Think we think is awesome but negative ned might see some things that will pause I was Gonna ask about this is gonNA ask about that. Did you think about the other in that case we can turn from an attitude of negative net. We don't want him on the team to ned brings value because he's going to see the things we hadn't thought about give us a chance to go think about it and presented more complete proposal to Paul which Paul is more likely to say yes to ten in addition. You brought net on your team. There you go. Everyone has value. That's right. That's right sometimes. GotTa dig a little deeper but everyone has value so tell me let's go back just a little bit <hes> I'm curious as business consultants and we always have choices on what we're going to focus our business on and <hes> <hes> and where we're going to market our primary of of deep expertise. I'M GONNA put a deep knowledge and how did you come up with an emphasis on personal strengths as your area of of deep knowledge because it's so resonated with me. I really believe that everyone is packaged with potential for purpose. I believe that and I also believe that everyone is gifted with something to shift them to new levels of success unless you unwrapped that gift and understand what it is you have no idea how much you're shortchanging yourself and because we are so conditioned to define success according to what other people think and believe we don't think in believed that we bring enough value to the table and that's just not true. That's just not true. Ears bring a different value than a nose but we're do. We compared weird what the air can do to what the nose can do. Why do we do that with people that it's so that it's so true? <hes> you talk about <hes> you talk about <hes> what what I recall the the art of self discovery and as a lifelong learner that statement certainly intrigues me. What do you have in mind? When you talk about self-discovery a myriad of things based based on my research? I created a self reflective learning model. It's called shift selfish says coenen investigate fix and team and I love assessments the simpler the better because an assessment is different from a test in that a test is right or wrong assessment is what it is once we discover what is then. What do we do with it? That's the honing in on it so based on the results. You know let's hone in and see what that means and then the investigating is taking a little deeper her <hes> fixing that's really about fixing our self perception so that we can fix ourselves talk and then teaming is going out and finding people that will help support our goals as far as moving forward talk about self perception. How am I going to change my myself? Perception is culturally ingrained. I mean I I've had this self perception since four years old and in many of it has not changed. How do I go about altering myself perception raising awareness and I know that sounds really simple but it's the truth I have recently dipped my toe into the world of diversity and inclusion and I'm <hes> have the privilege of <hes> working with a client in Las Vegas and one of the segments that we work on is called <HES> DOTS and we have an exercise where we'll name off certain aspects of someone's life and we'll ask you to put a dot represent the color of that type of person in your box and at the end a lot of people have just white dots because their world was primarily white or just black dots because the world was primarily black or what have you and throughout the exercise we realized is it when we're coming up? We don't use our parents. We don't pick where we go to school. We don't pick any of that but as we become eighteen and older then we have some choices and we realized that the person who we have become was shaped by factors we had no control troll over and there's no judgment that it is what it is but then once you're aware you can be intentional about moving forward differently and associated with different people in different ways of doing things the key is it shapes our behavior it shapes our thought patterns shapes our approach when we are aware of that we can arrest some things the fast brain says will based on types of people that I've worked within the past and this particular situation. You look like that. I'm GonNa make that assumption. That's that's where biases come in unconscious biases. The slow brain in this is by Daniel Konterman says you know what even though I've seen someone. That looks like you in. This looks like a similar situation. I'm going to be intentional about dealing with you on a case by case basis and let's have a different outcome so the message that I have is we raise awareness so that we can create new experiences for ourselves and others because you're absolutely right. The perspective that we have is the perspective that was baked into us when we were younger. We don't know any different unless we he's our awareness and you yourself told me you'll take a month long vacation not as a tourist to immerse yourself in culture to understand how other people think and be an an approach and that's all we're asking people do is raising awareness no judgment segment about the way you raised but now that you are aware you're also responsible to do some things differently. How do you encourage people who are stuck in their way of thought to begin to alter their perception? That's a really good question. You can't force people know and I'll be honest with you. The classes that I'm teaching people are required to be there and they come in with their arms crossed Stan not necessarily wanting to engage but by the end of class everyone has changed the room full of people that I see at eight A._M.. is a different roomful of people that I see at five P._M.. R._V. taken an assessment during that process. It's a slight assessment. They do a lot of journaling. We take them to a lot of exercises and ask them all right <hes>. How inclusive of a leader do you think you are? We'll take them through an exercise and the next question will be how will you lead differently based on what you felt in discovered and we usually start with debriefing feelings I because even though we're in a logical thinking world so to speak people weren't based on their feelings if I don't feel included if I don't feel valued you're not gonna get the best Outta me so we help people to I process those feelings so that they can understand if you're talking about being inclusive leader. You need to include everything about everyone. Psychological safety are people safe enough to show up and do their best without feeling like you're trying to turn them into someone that they're not Poi-. Safety is a big word <hes> I. I WANNA come back. I think I'm GONNA I think I'm GonNa Start with that. I WANNA come back after our break and we'll we'll talk a little bit more about safety because is I think it's a <hes> I think it's a roadblock to discovery and change so let's take a quick break. We'll come right back all right. Thanks uh uh-huh Titus Charlie hedges and you're listening to the next chapter with Charlie and I am here with Dr Anita Polite Wilson who is I want to say expert but she doesn't like the word expert she likes the word. She likes the Word D._D.. Knowledge she has knowledge that she has deep knowledge so I have to be careful pillow by using the word expert without getting a sly look from across the Dave don't like the word expert and it's it's because in my experience people who put themselves experts are not open to changing their frame and I absolutely am as a matter of fact when I go in and work with people I tell them I'm looking forward to learn as much as I share so that's my thing and and you know and I you explain that to me over lunch and I <hes> I'd. I'd which I didn't feed you so I'll be back. If you'll have me. I'll be back. I so agree. I saw agree with that that that one must be willing to. Due to evaluate critical critical places in belief systems and and C._N._N.. I've and I've I've adjusted my belief systems radically very radically I I I'm telling people don't believe anything I say today that because tomorrow probably change my mind and it's not that I'm being whimsical. It's that new data could arrive. That's irving. I could get new data that says boy. You know what you thought was true. There's some data that's that's challenging that thought and you need to consider it. You need to read up on it doesn't mean I just changed my mind because somebody throws me a data point but I will. I will take a look at it. It's right and and make some changes now. We were talking about safety <hes> psychological safe psychological safety and that's you oh on your maslow's chart. I believe that's number two on the maslow's chart I believe you know physical food and shelter and all that but I believe safety and security at believe you're right is number two on maslow's chart of hierarchy the of and and and if somebody doesn't feel safe in their change it's going to be very difficult for them to make that change well before they even begin the chains they need to feel safe in in recognizing and sharing what is <hes> remember. I like to <hes> define assessment as the results are would is not right or wrong. There's nothing right or wrong with people. It's what is now how or people showing up. How are people engaging? How are people interacting there are more productive behaviors and of course there are things that are right and wrong this way have sexual harassment training and things like that but when it comes to people how are made up there is no right or wrong? It's what is what do we do with what it is that we find yeah. That's perfect. That's perfect time. I'm I'm strange believer and there's not a whole lot of right or wrong but just is and you know there's I guess I prefer better best you know <hes> but but safety is is somebody has to be able to to compromise their safety or to let go a little bit of their safety to just walk into a new area. You know he said I like to go to other countries and learn about cultures. I mean I've changed my idea about culture and about about American American culture and it's not that I'm against American culture but I've come across so many different cultures in so many different ways of life that I've I've learned so much from it in it's and it's impacted my life personally. Eh a tremendous amount now now. I'm going to change topics a bit because what I wanna hear about is that you use an instrument called strength finders. Guess I love strengths finders. Tell me about strength finders because I'm I'm not sure all other people on our show strikes familiar with it is a tool that was created by the Gallup Organization. I think pretty much everyone familiar with Gallup do political polls and you know opinion surveys and things like that and <hes> strengths finders is an assessment that of thirty-four strength it will give you results in your top five strengths <hes> everyone has different combination of strengths <hes>. I believe the last statistic I read was that you know so many point billion people all do not have the same strength but if they did let's say you and I had had the same five strikes that would be in a different order but even if in the unlikely you know event that we have the same strings in the same order we use them. Differently and strengths really helped me as a young professional to figure out why didn't always fit into <hes> a box because I'm around pig not only that when I really understood you can be aware of your strengths but to really understand Dan. Your strengths takes your ability to be productive in a whole new level. My top strengths are maximize and influencers so I'll just ask you if you just think about those different strings they are they are I'm sorry maximize and <hes> later so if you think of the word maximize. Do you think that that's about me seems you will take a situation wherever it said and you will take it to the next level. That's right as it relates to people now if you think about the where relator what do you think that means about me I think that means you're good with people right in and and people are very important in your life and you make them important in your life absolutely if you take that top strength of maximize bringing out the best and relator later people being important <hes> a maximize your helps to people get exactly where they're trying to go and beyond where they thought they could go and relator bills deep relationships by helping people reach their goals says a facilitator as a personal development coach even as a cycle instructor those two top two strengths of maximize relator are consistent across my life. I don't care what I do and my personal mission is to influence everyone to discover develop and deploy their strength every day because I believe in it's so much when people can nail what they're good at. They can just build on that and be good at that across every area of their life we need to show up consistently whether it's for personal or professional endeavors and the strengths you can do that. Those are critical strikes for coach absolute or a mentor facilitator or or what was what was it turn that I that I that I there's a mentor and there's a a sponsor. Yes Yeah Dan just learning about sponsor sponsorship and and I think it's I think it's even more vital than than mentoring yes. Yes those are key key roles on a personal board of Director your coach your cheerleader your leader your sponsor your mentoring champion absolutely what could you got names deep knowledge so those are so those are perfect for a coach. I mean those are ideal though would make you you know that would make me want to say boy. I WanNa work with Dr Anita because she I get that she cares about me as an individual cares about my success and she can maximize my success and it's so genuine I gotta share the story with you. I was in Vegas with my client a few weeks ago and <hes> another company was there on some kind of <hes> corporate sponsored event and the gym was packed so I went downstairs still dark in the morning I was just trying to find safe route and I came across this young man who is ahead of miss it. Excuse me are you walk in running. He said I'm walking. I said well D- mind if I trail you. I don't WanNA interrupt your your private time. Can I want you know behind you. He said no come walk with me. We talked for an hour about strengths. I didn't know him. He didn't know me. He offered to buy me. A SMOOTHIE got back. You said you know I would you to be my coach. He lives in New Jersey a month later. We're coaching together because the authenticity of what I feel about people's potential is so real someone that I didn't know someone who lives in a whole nother state has been my client for the last three weeks. What what what are the challenges you face as a coach in in strengths really helping people to recognize it for what it is and so before I can really get into their strengths when I do the assessment with them? <hes> for instance there was this one young woman who's just phenomenally successful. Just she built a a mill multimillion dollar company soul her sharing it and went and bought a plane and ran a training institute. She's got <hes> a nonprofit she just phenomenal and when I was telling you about strength being an entrepreneur she's trying to save money so instead of buying a new book with the code food she buys a used book and look through strength and tries to pick her strength. I can you just humor me spend the twenty five bucks. Get the book so that you can take the actual assessment so the five that she chose for herself. Two of them were right on the money the other three. She didn't guess and she said You know I'm not sure about these three so and talking with her I said well. Let's look at this one. Don't you do X._Y._Z.. Yeah that's the strength. Let's look at this one. Why aren't you doing A._B._C. This way yeah? That's this drink so let's look at this swim. Why aren't you leveraging this? When you do these things here I am so now? Do you believe in your strength. She said Yeah I never thought about. I said that's because their strengths you use them all the time and that's the whole point of leveraging leveraging our strengths. It's who we are. Why on Earth would we try and do something different? That isn't who we are make ourselves miserable the process quite helpless to norris drinks because it helps us identify an emergent theme in our life our purpose I think I know that my purpose is really helping people be their best and again whether that's in the corporate board room or in a spin cycling class I can see the potential that people don't see themselves and can help nejd sometimes push them in that direction and when they discover it for themselves. It's life changing. It really is and I don't mean to be dramatic. It is life changing. Oh I I firmly believe that I I <hes> I took strength finders. You know when it first came out and <hes>. I wish I could remember what my my strengths were. <hes> you can take it again. I thought about doing it. I thought about taking it before. He came came on the show and I didn't. I just didn't get the book quickly enough to do it. <hes> but I'm I'm. I'm in the middle of you know at at sixty-nine. I'm a lifelong learner and I have I have a coach and we're working on a thing that the many of the listeners are familiar with and it's called archetypes and one of my archetypes of one of my in would come out in strength finders someway. I don't know the name but it's the leader. I don't know what what name would that come matters well strings fines has domains therefore domains there is executing relationship-building influencing strategic thinking so I would think that leader would either go under influencing or strategic thinking yeah and I just came back from Africa dot com and and I I made a <hes> an which my leadership capabilities really emerged in a very very strong way and and I have evaluated. Are you waited with my coach. You know what kind of leader I am that I very collegial yet not afraid to make a decision when decision has to be made but but I work with people so people don't feel like I'm coming in and dictatorial. There were working together unless I have to do something but just that knowledge doctrine needed just knowing that leadership was one of my strengths and seen other people. Bull respond such away really helped me be a better leader. I don't know how you know what it did but it helped me you know the being cognizant of the fact that leadership was a a strong aspect of my personality that are my talent list was very helpful not that you would need it but I would say to you or anyone. It's just another indicator of our self confidence when we know what we know what we know we can walk into any situation to be confident and it doesn't matter that I'm not showing up his Charlie hedges. I'm not Charlie hedges. My strength is Dr Anita his strengths this Charlie hedges together. We make a powerful team but I don't have to be intimidated by Charlie. 'cause I know who I am poor. That's brilliant. I really love that. Don't have to be intimidated by somebody else. Because that's not my strength that stairs MHM and we can is this leveraging we can work together and we can leverage that as a team absolutely and we can together we can produce an even better product and and I think and I think knowing it. I don't remember if we talked about it or the radio. We talked about it before but the book that I'm reading the talked about the small south to talk about that on era already I think so just a little bit <hes> but you know depending on on our are influenced by the need to be my self esteem needs myself important needs if I know I'm a leader in and I know I can do that. Well that diminishes miniatures that small south that diminishes that need for Eagle because I'm not doing it for ego. I'm just doing it because it's natural ability here. You go that your self actualization right there and I'm and I'm having fun doing absolutely and and doing it well and doing it in a relational manner I means other people are accepting of IT and other people appreciate above it. Nobody's feeling you know that I'm that I'm coming in and take over. That's right. I think there are two points that I wanna make about strengths number. One often times in the office folks have challenges with other people again because they don't understand their own greatness if I'm so busy looking at Charlie's greatness and Paul's greatness and what makes you too so awesome I can be intimidated by that but if I don't recognize my own greatness and what makes me awesome in my own right there's no way that I can ever feel like I can be partners with you that said I know that a lot of people have concerns about only focusing on your strengths Franks well. That's not to say that there there there is not room to grow when you're looking at your strength I had mentioned the four different domains <hes> strategic thinking influencing relationship building and executing when I have done this with teams oftentimes especially in the Aerospace Oh space industry which I just came out of a team would be very light in people with the influencing skill but that's okay if I ask you what's inherent in relationships. What would you say just a few things respect to loyalty <hes> inherent in relationships compatibility but but respect as big for me respect is a big word and and loyalty if we have respect and loyalty for one another we have a relationship it means we have influence with one another yes right so if you've got a team and your light in the domain of influencing but you've got folks that are strong in relationship building because influence is inherent in relationships you can leverage that into domain of influencing and so back to our early example if we need to present a proposal all too Paul but we don't have anyone who specifically strong in the influencing skills we can take someone who is relational who can bill that bridge and deliver that message to Paul in a different way but still have have the result of someone who's strong influencing the make sense and that is the other beauty of strengths? You can still grow and develop but it's going to be so much more comfortable in means so much more because you're doing it in an area that you're already strong in not an area that you struggling googling in what do you do with years. You're struggling in find somebody else seriously. You're laughing but I'm serious. I believe it. I love it so when I have not my job is not not my job and to meant to often managers. Try and make their people quote unquote. Well well rounded. No you're making them miserable so we if you and Paul were my team and you had something on your performance review for the last three years and he had something on here's performance review for the last three years it's been three years is not likely going to be addressed but as a manager that's aware of strengths I say well you know what Charlie Lemme give this Paul because he's actually good at that and Paul. Let me give this to Charlie because he's actually good at that. I'm the manager I can make those determinations. You're happier Paul's happier. Productivity is up engagement is up and everybody goes home. We need you coach him more manager. Hello Call Me <hes> I know we're we're growing near end of time and I've got a few more questions but I do want to <hes> I read this on your website and it intrigued me because we live in an age of virtual communication. We live in an age where one on one communication I mean you can see I think as you wrote you got five people at the table and everybody looking at their smartphone and and is not even a dialogue going on and you wrote in your website I quoting from your website. My research demonstrated that are people feel connected through joint dialogue either one on one or group interactions are more willing gene to embark on a path of joint discovery that full facilitates the revelation of deep patterns belief and perhaps actions but it's that people who have learned to communicate are more willing to embark on joint discovery ventures. What are we going to do about that in this in this generation you know? I don't know I will tell you that was born out of my research. <hes> research was around the success factors of young adult African American women and I got young women and season women together talking about was necessary to be successful in the workforce and I used a method call the world cafe which has never been news for Research Before One of my dissertation committee members told me and I'm very action oriented person <hes> we need to talk with just get it done. There's something to be said for conversation when I work with leaders. I asked them when you listen. Are you listening to solve or are you listening to understand and there's a huge difference because when we listen to understand we might find that we're not part of the solution other than to say Paul is a subject matter expert in and let me connect you with him and so it goes back to really listening. If we were just listen to each other I was working with another consultant in San Diego and he's got this wonderful activity about how to have a healthy disagreement disagreement say what you're going to say and before you respond actively listen or paraphrase with the person said find something to agree with and also and then state your point. How is that because I'm acknowledging what you said? There's something in there that I agree with and oh by the way here's how I feel. We just have to listen. That's do teach listening. I can well my husband might not thanks so yeah that is a that's a whole different subject and it is you know covey forty years ago listen with intend to understand rather than the intent tend to be understood and Saint Francis of Assisi seven four hundred years ago ever how many years ago said exactly the same thing that listening as really critical well we are reaching our time went so fast. I know it went so fast and I feel like we barely covered. What what I wanted to cover if I may I WANNA leave with one gem please do going back to Stephen Covey? One of the seven habits is <music> seek. I understand before being understood and I help leaders just used three pieces of that helped me understand it is revolutionary as far as teaming help says as the leader I can't do it by myself. Me Says as a leader owning nece and understand says you as the person that either I support or I lead you probably have information that I need how empowering is that for folks folks for their leader to need them for their leader to admit they don't have all the answers and for their leader to be authentic intransparent insecure enough to say that if leaders were to use those three words help me understand it would revolutionize the dynamics on their team and that that's what I like to leave folks with. I love that help me understand understand how me help me understand this and you giving credibility to the people you're strengthening your team. Your strengthening that individual and you are actually learning in the process and you're proving you're a good leader. That's right three simple worries about as powerful as I love you yeah. That's great yeah. Well Dr Anita thank you so much would be my guest is today in my pleasure and I have something for you. I always love to coach Mentor folks in one of the Young Ladies That I've been coaching and mentoring for a while she just opened a new business. It's called Sugar Mama sweets and you're gonNA love that that is for you and Pam so Japan. You're listening. Make sure Charlie shares golden box with the red ribbon on it for you. Yes I have a golden box with the red ribbon that I'm not allowed to my Lonzo may open it so I'm opening a box while we're <hes> that has sugar Mama <hes> sugarman sweets. Yes yeah just as I'm on a diet. That's <hes> that's perfect. I don't pay attention to anyway we shouldn't they don't count between now and the end of the that's right on the end of the year. Well thank you again for coming on the show. It's been wonderful. Thank you ever tation is been an honor and a treat. It really has been great. 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Anita Makela: Secrets of Drag Racing

The Autosport Podcast

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Anita Makela: Secrets of Drag Racing

"Today on the podcast we going certainly for me very much of taste the world motorsport after say drag racing scenario. I know very very little about two months with the company We've got here on your host. Ed Straw. Aw We say star guest with respect to my guests are star guest today. Is Anita McCullough full-time for Europeans fuel. Champion and reigning a legend Legend of Of drag racing. I would say thank you. Yeah I saw hits a educate. Educate me certainly I think would be the the mejet so I'm hoping to get as we end this hour side with a better understanding. I guess it's the challenge. Isn't it would drag racing of selling selling it to people because he's kind of a very specialized as Matt that's right. It's very small all sports. But they're caned I find it very enthusiastic and well. That's the sport I've been doing thirty years and I just love it accent. We will find out a bit more about that love of of drag racing. Surely we have brought in another specialist as well. In in Ruben Jackson of best describe of center pulled Santa Pod. I guess Yes yes I do. I work for them. And is it a part time basis. But I've been coming to Santa pod I it's been in existence for fifty four years and I- horrified. I've been going for fifty three of them and I've been working for them. I did essentially a forty year apprenticeship as a paying customer and then they offered me a job So I've been working for the now for twelve years. He is well prepared. You could say well yes. Yeah I hate to think how much forgotten put it lying. You fully forgotten far more than on on this topic take my final guest. Is Somebody with a little bit more knowledge of drag race in the neighbor still should we say relative Relatively inexperienced also magazine. It's a Kevin said now you have been you haven't not support relatively recently thanks to robbing a couple of times once when I was most news editor and then once this year and I put it down on my the three sort of standout wow moments in my most book career. If you like. The first one was watching for one contemporary along through magazines and Becca Silverstein. The second one is the first time I saw an anti walkout lemond and the third one was I taught field dragster leave the line. You've been going to multiple events for years and years and you kind of get a say you kind of get an idea of what's quick and and what you're looking at and you have to completely recalibrate that when you see Towfighi has could leave. The line is caught one of the most remarkable spectacles immutable. We'd say you sold it very. Well they're very very well. I'll have to get along failure. Facial let's come. What's a unique set? How how do you come to be at drag racing? Santigi asked but how do you how did you get into. It comes to be so successful over through years. I just got interested overall in muscle cars and a test wanted to test one of those dragsters. It was like a gas trickster and once you give you a small finger it will take your whole hand. And that's the way how the sport to me. I established this team myself. So I'm I'm very few of those ladies. Were having their own teams and maybe the most important work. What team owner can do is to choose the right people in right places and that's the area where I did succeed and that's behind off my success of these all thirty years so good team and These teamwork at its best. Everyone knows that in Motorsport Drivers need could team and By by the coup team. And when you're having success it will always take you even fast and faster cars Mohan running these ten thousand horsepower. Cars night to talk fueled tractors and they going from zero to hundred kilometers per hour feeding within one and we didn't have second so it's very quick half second and you're going already over one hundred kilometers per hour that's just performance and essentially you're saying about applies to all of radius about having the right people the right draw the right equipment is everything is made so it's a virtuous circle as we say but Robin perhaps you can put a little bit of context on on a neater for those not familiar with with our achievements. Obviously fulltime to European champion is a serious achievement. All in all in top fuel which is kind of the top ten. I guess. That's the category that people think of when Formula One of of drag racing. Yes I mean. It's exactly the same formula. Kilowatt is is the pinnacle of An enormous pyramid really with tremendous amount of stuff below that in top fuel is the same. I'm with drag racing. You know. There's a huge amount of Stuff below that me you can start out is of an extremely accessible sport You can simply come to Santa Pod. We have what we call our run. Walked your brand events where you simply turn up in your own road car Ten pound purpose on the gate. Twenty five pounds to sign on Ugo told a Running on the track and that's the basis of the thing. I mean drag racing started in in America after World War Two as essentially a road safety initiative. You had all these Sort of ex-serviceman coming back from the war often with mechanical article training and this hot running craze took off and the way that they approving their vehicles they weren't demonstrating clever driving skills hills or anything that was actually proving. The vehicles against one another was by racing on the streets. Perhaps some traffic light traffic light and so forth which of course was hugely the Illegal and dangerous and most people kind of wanted to horse with the people you know locking them up But a number of enthusiasts instead tried tried to persuade them off the public roads and onto in those days of course there are a lot of now disused wartime strips Around America so they. They used Those and they decided by chance on quarter-mile as being the classic distance that sometimes at that point thinking in terms of perhaps a half mile. And can you imagine imagine if we run into a half mile now what north the cause would be doing So it grew from that And that that element really continues as with the run Macci Brun Idea and you work your way up from that With top fuel formula me Lewan at the very top of it. I think it's worth putting some numbers on that. Actually because it's now the top fuel cars on over just a thousand feet now instead of the quarter. That's right cool from aw. Aw and even. So they're doing that. Distance in three point eight seconds and three hundred thirty three so I mean yeah the you couldn't. Ah Jason. Wasn't it for safety. Imagine what speeds would be being achieved. If for fifty years they've been doing over half mile. I mean the mind boggles the measure. I suppose is eight smile a to twenty yards at one point of course before they reduced it that was half track and certainly in America. Now they've been and 'cause hitting two hundred ninety nine miles an hour at the eighth mile and typically Ah dragster will will gain gene. Perhaps thirty to forty miles per hour over the second Hof war in this case the from the eight smile to the thousand foot point which even in that distance when an ordinary car gaining that amount of speed in that distance would be quite a lot but when the things during two hundred ninety plus in you know already The extraordinary the acceleration is extraordinary in the thing. So they get progressively slower in fact as they go up the track but that You know all things relative and a NATO I mean the forces involved must be unbelievable. So what are the biggest challenges on around one of the things. You're most concerned about most focused on from the moment that go. What what are the key things that you're dealing with? Of course first of all you have have to learn to drive this using miles per hour you have to use we we do normally so you have to get used to run over three hundred hundred miles per hour. You can't touch that step into the car and do it so it takes time to learn to do that. So you have to control the car all the way so On when launching the car under maybe at the beginning you visit is coming very narrow but when he learned to drive that kind of speed it will spread out a cane and you can make observations. And you see where you're going and that's very important because everything happens interceptor short time especially on the top end and You have to you have to know where you are and where the car is where you are going to take your car to and On the meat way the chief force es about five point five so it's at the biggest. Ah The midway and then it will come down until you call over the finish line and opened the breaking shirts but it's the it's the driver who needs is to control the car all the way but everything happens in the faster than you can think so. You have to respond of the feeling so I'm having like a spot in the middle of the track and I feel where my car is going. It's going like left or right. So it's my like recent with keep it in the straight straight line and my feeling with that and Tara shakes major thing as well. I mean that was just something I know your sister is yes. Sometimes you have to shut it off straight away because once that really kicks kicks in is carnival. I resonate so what can you do to to manage that in the first few y'all of the launch as dry. But you can't do anything it is done by the mechanics. Connex already the way how the car is going to behave. And Dia Sake assaulting that Because you have zero point eight the the pressure in the tires and it will grow when you push the pedal down but it. It doesn't have enough power to make the soft tire ground one. It will cause the tire sake and the tire say can be so severe that it will break the chess cut atrocities and of course. We'll oh keep you as a tribe of a very severe headache and that stuff so it's like hitting pipe baseball pat very heavily but okay. You can't drive. That's that's all you have to leave the pedal and The moment is gone. I'm interested in the the question of the of the amount of driving because people look at anything driving in a straight line but it. It's it's I guess when you're actually it's already as as so many adjustments estimates a make sure it's it's still going in the right direction election with amount of power incredibly challenging and kind of quite easy to underestimate from the from the outside and the most common thought ought after Iran is at. Why didn't I do like that because the moment is gone? You know you have to make the decisions so quickly and then you did the decision and you can't get the moment back anymore. Yeah so many things you have to concentrate and to and SAFETIES number one Easter in our sport of course and you have to realize that there's another car next to you and you have to keep your car in your own lane It's not the top speed. It's what can have which go what can call What can possibly go wrong in that kind of top speed with can cause the problems and you have to be prepared for that devoid of that that it doesn't get out of your control so I presume the problems that might manifest themselves when you walk license that subsidies they start early so you need to learn to recognize? That's a small problem now. The second half is going to be a unless a huge problem. That's when you that's that's right it out of it. Yeah I've had people say to me sometimes Real major sport has corners. That's what some shops had said to me. Once and I point out well I drive around corners every time I go out in my car and it's no big deal. The point is what's your purpose and driving live around the corner driving to the shops. That's one thing if you'll racing somebody else to the finish line. That's a totally different thing. And whether you'd driving around Silverstone Fatu hours or twenty four hours at the mall or a standing start quarter mile a thousand feet that becomes an entirely different exercise from just essentially going motoring so whether it's corners or not What makes drag racing? Standout I think is it's decisiveness. Hi Sickness you qualify against the clock. Yes but then it is head to head. The winner advances to the next round. The loser goes home and and there's no next lap on which to rectify any mistakes he might have made It's an extremely decisive sport in that respect so and you only have ah metro seconds to do all that well. It's it's like any top level sports in the sense that whatever it is yes to win is halt. It's extra yes I'm not saying about having teamwork of the themes will be the same. Yeah so more response to somebody said that would be able to come and have a look then. Yeah absolutely ah Yes and then especially if you're there early enough in the SEC. This of lower classes if the classes and you think okay and you get your own line and then it. As as the day progresses it becomes more and more crazy with a more more more and more impressive so as the other interesting thing from a from a driving perspective is with that amount of power. I guess the thing is I mean. It's like starting enormous isn't it. So He's getting that power down getting to kind of fill threatless graceful. Haven't how'd you control that amounts of Pyla seek tilt about you. Go this'll lighter pushes and try and get that bullet for that. How much of the run is just sort of controlling that power? Do you have A. How easy is it to get one hundred percent throttling everything stable? Does it never gets on that if you if you're going quick yeah driver. There isn't very much to be done. Because you just push the pedal down and keep it there and It's all about mechanical adjustments. And what they've been doing there. And it's like a straight drake bulldogs no gears. But they're they're coming timers. We saw putting more pressure into the clutch discs. And it's like activating them. I'm on the run and And you know It's control the whole run is planned to the Pacific track and what the mechanics. Fluke Mikan. the cruelty looks at. It's going to be like this and so the car needs to be a test like this way. So it's DECI decided by the crew chief mainly what's going to happen but I guess adapting conditions as he goes on there's more rubber down yes temperature if soundly signing if the sound is behind on the cloud everything effect and there's no active electric's on his areas old because a twelve stage clutch. Is that where you're up to. Now I remember saying is a multi-stage clutch that feeds in as you. Go down the run but you can't have electronically effectively mechanically decide beforehand. That's right so it must be a real fine are all that sort of setting up process and for example like this the heartedness and the thickness and everything is influencing to that and everything is measured very accurate way and try to make we try to make the car. Always the same way as it wat- before the Ron so that the crew can make new decisions how to make it go faster if it would be different after each round it would be possible. AH IMPOSSIBLE CHOP too. So in qualifying rounds we always drive to make the car the same way so the cruelty can make his Owned test meant to make the car faster. And that's why we have so much work to do. Between the rounds you can have all the talk and horse power in the world and it has completely useless. If you can't apply it to the track then you can apply to the track. You have the quickest call in the field. It still. Oh completely useless. If Dr Snooze is or doesn't you know fails to control the car properly so those split second. Things that can determine determine the outcome of a race and ozzy talking about toy margins in terms of the the race. Oh twenty four sub four second runs I guess just hundreds thousands insulating not a lot of time to do anything in that that speed hunched Akabusi. You when recently even this talk about the the you know the clutches sets up already funding are very interesting thing. You want to start a lot more as anything this when you start learning but call waiting need to see how it how it will work and really get understanding not just the spectacle which he referred to but just the just how complex challenges and all the things going on that you you you can never guess just from watching the absolutely. I think he's like anything more. You delve into it. The more complicated and difficult and sophisticated Everything is I mean not just opening I watering. I think we should also cover the notch. Percent Methane feel is very potent. So the things that Paul spectacles weather's the speed one amazed by all the loudest federal loudest. 'cause I think I've ever seen under the first win Reuben. Said what do make sure you get some earplugs and you know people say that Rice tracks overtime are lot. Hearing any old are definitely. That was the correct advice. Because it's just it's it's amazing you can hear it through your face or anything you can hear through your faith think without a follow on takeoff or something and the other thing was I'm Robin took me around the paddock. Very Open Paddock And we're fortunate if that's the word for one of the one of the cost to be followed adop- and it it's it's pretty well. You described his tear gas. You know his assault on the sentence. All of that has to be managed you know. It's not just jot any notes. Very exact measurement obviously strictly regulated. That's something presumed team to keep on top of the law as well is there are lots. It's in lots of restrictions. It's not just his path engine will God and run. There's lots of taught taught regulations as well like any tops boys in there. That question of the restrictions is interesting because it does it still feels like sell fuel dragsters and it will might just having restraints to still quite quite rural as well but how how wide ranging Auguste restrictions. I guess there's capacity limits that kind of thing but in terms of how much you can do. It changed much over the years. Is it more become more controlled more restrictions. In how how tightly controlled is it the the actual formula has beeen constant since the early nineteen eighties. The NHRA brought in the five five hundred cubic in true For dragsters for top fuel. dragsters in I think nineteen eighty-one that was settled on That long ago What's remarkable is how How things have progressed in that time? the the the supercharge on any bigger fourteen seventy one superchargers. The nitromethane hasn't got any nitromethane as it were And yet through constant refining. They've gone from those days. They were running the quarter mile in five and a half seconds at A. You know maybe up to two hundred and fifty miles thousand now to to nowadays hitting well over the feed down three point eight seconds or so Well over three hundred miles per hour and and that is simply being through constantly refining The equipment and machinery and Yes where Formula One. For instance the formula is changing every few years they they put in something different but it is actually stayed constant with with drag racing which I guess Everybody complains about the expense of drag racing good. It could yet even more expensive if if they were chopping and changing the formula. So what are the key. Technical Areas Th those gains coming from because I know the Americans conserve a fraction head out on the year top times but I mean they've got four five times as many events in so they tend to have more money as the mobile. When it comes to Britain she has to ocean crossings to do forestalled And you know that doesn't come cheap so The what made a big difference in the mid. Nineteen eighties was the development of the of the lockup clutch before that Data recorders. Now it's uniquely Violent Mechanical Environment And they eventually develop data recorders that could function in that. Not on one of the things they discovered was that clutches was still slipping the finish line so they started to develop these Initially to stage lockup latches watches but things that would actually look properly at a at a given point on the track nowadays is multiple stage. Lock up clutch that has made a great deal of difference. but again you know the engines back then I don't know making four or five thousand horsepower. Now they're actually measured as putting out over for eleven thousand which is you know monumental amounts of stuff not very long? But when they're doing it as you say boy do you know about it. so it's in those refinements in particular and particularly the development of the clutches. You mentioned the the expense of what. Is that the ballpark cost for for running. One of these cars. One thing is. We differs our sport from the other motorsports easily. If you have a race car you can't raise we that you need to have spare parts for example when we are coming to FAA event we can have. We are having four qualifying rounds and then in elimination round day the maximum three round. Because you know the first round there are eight cars and four cars on the finals. So so We we have to be ready to make seven round in a weekend and when we are leaving Finland we normally have seven short blocks with us. Sit of heads for the same amount and a lot of spare parts and In qualifying days we are changing the parts. Like I told you that we are building up the car to be exactly the same way before route so that the cruelty can make the chestnuts central to make the car even faster. And when you're asking the Baltic prices it all depends if he can keep that Packet in one piece. These are not so You can use like in America. They don't they. Just throw the parts away and get the brand new ones from the shelf so to say because they are professionals and they are racing in different level compared to us here in Europe. But because we don't have the money the to do so we are trying to mercer if he can still use to part like Beeston's androids Beeston's getting squeezed and you around one run or the roads can't be getting to Length of other lengths can cro- so we are measuring that maybe happy after the race weekend and if still intolerance can still use them so money was everything is depending what has has happened to the parts but overall idea is at if you have six racy so year it will take you about two hundred thousand euros up to. I mean over that whatever you break so if you push the pedal down and something is going wrong you can destroy the whole end tale from oil pan to that in the actor and every between so nothing can be used but sometimes for example the injector campy used. All the cylinder hits can be used on the floor all the block or whatever can so it depends what happened but It's got a disaster and these. It's like a bottomless thome. Less twelve you can always put more and more money and they know how to say. There's no limit for that but with two hundred thousand thousand-year does if the season is going reasonably. Well you can live with it standard practice of course after every single run that the engine engine is dismantled completely rebuilt completely and indeed any other damage to the call has to be repaired As less pressure in in this country but in America in the NHRA because they're on live television They have a now between rounds and they will complete the whole dismantling and rebuilding process in about forty minutes. Everything completely stripped stripped down. That's just a sign up so ridiculous considering the what you're dealing with that I mean. Do you see some of this going on you. A yes when I spoke to Anita In September there is a there was some serious engine work gang. Although I think one one of Nita's team strength is not having these cataclysmic engine explosions very often you. You've got a very consistent season having a and I I think that's that's probably part of the game as well as how much do you do. You push especially when you're in the knockout stages getting to the finish in Rio you. You don't have to break the European record every time day you need to get to the end whereas some of the I mean when they when they go they guy. They're not really do small engine blogs do they. I mean it's sort of earthquake happens. Yeah that's right and That has been my behind of my success that the consistency is in a key role in tame or has been by so far and that really helps if he can be consistent and we will say in terms of getting three pots. I guess ask anybody. Who's got the Vegas Dave? What drag racing is would have seen some pretty enormous shunned happening upset you with fuels caused caused destroy so I guess that's what's the other kind of risk as well you could you can do damage? I guess that's something that as she talked about earlier. In the hand of the driver in terms of detecting when things are going wrong. You're getting yourself into that situation as far as as far as possible. But he's he doesn't have very safe. Let's put it that way and I can tell tell you that the person I'm how the housewife on the farm chicken farmer and I I don't take any risks in my life life but a test drive these ten thousand horsepower Tocqueville. trickster and I don't feel unsafe because maybe because my family is involved Volvo a building up the car. My husband is a seeing overall that the car is built in the right way. I think safe a that. That reminds you of other draws before particularly looking at perhaps a slightly older racing culture. They're used to and they outing. That looks Alex Unsafe and they get clashing closing. That looks interesting and then if you sit them in one of the guy that's I think about it anymore because they're in their environment that's not what they're thinking about their thinking. How do I go quicker? How do I win? It kind of goes away. The more you're into it. The more was way absolutely. You're right that's the way how it goes that very strongly built drag racing vehicles. Sometimes people again thing odor and he goes short distance straight line not much to it but that the drive here's a course cocooned in a roll cage which you don't get On second racing 'cause because you need lateral vision whereas you don't necessarily in in attracts too so you you have this unit that you'll Sort of cocooned in and I mean some crashes that you see Ian Drag racing course the problem with circuit racing is going straight ahead when you should be going around the corner. It's the opposite in drag racing. When you go round a corner when you should be going straight ahead A not so much in top fuel but Promo Code cars which are the full bodied. 'cause they they frighten me They have very low. Downforce don't force but they can hit over two hundred and forty miles an hour and sometimes you see them get the air under then they get a wiggle on and you can get some really monster crashes but invariably touch wood He says touching his head Dr Is very often will simply walk away. You cannot believe some of the accidents here. You see the drivers walk away from. Because they're so strongly build. Glad you mentioned promos. Actually we should probably cut that off because as as the national championship I suppose very loosely. You'd say it's the sort of British touring cars have dragged the bodies out dissimilar speaking to a couple of competitors actually wasn't wasn't a million miles as well and they are there. I mean. Obviously they're they're they're not named teams have Performance is the top few cars. But I noticed that as well. They diesel skin doubts because the field is half you huge rear wing and they let you know the the. The dimensions are such But with the with the Promo which they're almost silhouette cars on those like yes every Maros or mustangs or whatever but they're bespoke silhouettes but they do skip doubts because they don't have particularly much aero toward the kind of to me. They're a little bit like historic racing way of going about it and they do skipping dollars because there are three different engine types you can. Yes that's right. As well saying he's drag racing has equalization issues the same as well due to talk about the three different categories within the national championship. The original Promo codes were unbeknown Petrol Engines with soot Nitrous oxide injection and then they started incorporating Methanol engines or alcohol agents. They call him the state's blown alcohol engines as you would find in a top methanol dragster that type of thing and then the last ten years or so they've have gone turbo as well So you will an of the of the original type the nitrous engines the UN blow nitrous engines. They go wrote absolute monster sizes Limited effectively effectively. Yes I think the I think the limit at the moment is nine hundred ten cubic inches. So so you're looking at getting on for fifteen liters All packed into a A V8 block. Somebody wants describe them as miracles. Rotating mass of one thing to say you have a big engine like that but getting the daunting to work at that size is is the most extraordinary thing the the The supercharged Methanol engines in the turbo methanol engines are smaller capacities but it is the the effort to try and balanced those out and equalize them. That is a problem and it is The Promo codes are the designated class of the motor sport. UK Okay formerly MSA pretty strong racing championship to also mention that when you say turbos and superstars the limit on capacity. They are still over eight lead. Yeah that's still I think people to can am and when Porsche Turbo charging into that People McLeod who can we get any more out. The chevys eight point two ebbing fifteen liters with with the non turbo shelter sabotage leaders. Overtly to reality is pretty and I think the next year air in the states They're raising the UNE blown limit to nine hundred fifty nine cubic inches. I think so you are looking at. I think Over probably over fifteen liters in that so but marine science monument in this country at least the supercharging seems to be marginally the one to say. Yes yes they tend to go. You get the highest speeds from the turbo. 'cause they tend to launch more slowly but then gather speed more quickly so they European Record is held by a speed record held by turbo car. Two hundred and sixty miles now but the elapsed time records Of being held all along by supercharged methanol 'cause so I'm Not a huge amount to choose between them but it certainly the traditional on blown cars that seemed to be seemed to be at a disadvantage disadvantage. has anyone ever tried to do a sort of a lunch. Adulterous for portraits. US will vote with supercharged and turbocharged can operate in different parts of it was that that explicitly implicitly forbidden under those rules. Yes but I dare say that people have attempted dot kind of thing in you know I mean this is how the pro MoD started did for as an outlaw class in America They decided to erase In the deep South where they go in for that full bodied cars. I mean it's the home of Nascar and back in a mid nineteen eighties. A few races there decided they wanted the debris away from the rules and they were particularly keen on the fifty five fifty. Seven Chevy shape though known as shoebox races and cramming big engines into that They became very popular and outer that. became this distinct class known as pro MoD. It is quite fun Sean. Spot the sort of silhouettes. What they're what they're based the story of a new comer? You've got motoracing background. Yeah that's tomorrow because what call one. This year was a plymouth super wasn't it that's right. Yeah yeah she's a it. It wasn't as if we have more diversity. In Europe. We slow as in the Americans. Needless to say on the pro MODs but might more more diverse body shapes. You go to the states now and Most of the Promo seemed to be I the current vehicles or late nineteen sixties. But you know you come here and we The earliest type body Shell. We've had here is a nineteen thirty eight four coupet Lost ears when not this year's ears but lost ears is a nineteen fifty one Chevrolet Business Coupe A Swedish car You know great character. These vehicles had and yet he could still run like the clap is to essentially see this this references to what we're doing in the US the US is kind of the how you move a drag racing. Nhra's Bryson like somebody just taking about so when you start to see you got the the interesting to come from anew in the US but think you started in in Finland the knee that saw him walk. WH- what sort of difference what what was going on in Finland what we what. We Racing Hanson. How how Wall Street lights operate in in kind of Europe as a as a drag racer competes sir? kind of perhaps what people might be more familiar with in in In in the US. Well I started. Of course the gas dragster between how much smaller than compared to these nitric sisters so the first steps raising in Finland. It was all about American American cars and they were like ordinary. STREETCARS and like Robin. Say that it's all about the history of WHO's having the fastest fastest car and Those days are so to say gone in our sport and everything is coming more and more like professional racing and over the years Of course we are following. What's happening in date because they have so much more races in annual pace they compared to us us so all the development is happening there? And that's why all the parts are coming there as well although the calls come from there that Bhutto to two year have you ever had sort of A desire to go and compete over in America so there have been Europeans of have gone on and tried some have been quiet glide competitively. So is that something you've been tempted by. It's going to go and say well I have to tell you. I'm so happy here. In Europe I have here. I know the tracks I know that officials resuls I know the fellow racers. I have my own friends at the race ways so I'm happy here. Maybe the early days because there was no difference between Venus American tracks and European tracks so we Europeans where we were dreaming that it would be so cool to American tracks and see how my car would work in the subsequent track but now the tracks here in Europe are so good as well. The difference is getting smaller and smaller compared to American contract so I don't see that they can do a very much faster instate anymore due to the track anymore so while I'm happy here but they'll say drag racing. It's kind of a minority. Might despoiling year of his name is not as many doing it. But it's obscene this quite a a small but very determined enthusiastic group of people doing it so I guess slice I you know. Look people guesses quarter a close community arounds around Europe it is it's like When I was thinking that what keeps me hooked the sport while Tease Betide of course ray actual racing east social life there because we are good friends and you're staying the night over at the area most of us so we are having who Lucena like Time to have a chat and get to know each others and that's part of our sports as well the social life and I'm very fond of that as well because at the pit area the life is it's unclean to be dirty and It's a luxury life but I love it all. I think that's a good. I includes the fans as well. I think that's why I mean I was taken aback. GonNa I went the number of people. There I mean it's an equivalent circuit bearing in mind that it's not a big circuit you've got people spread it around. You know. I'd I'd like to a good British touring car crowd in. I said top-end of a national or oh a big story making or something like that but I think Paul is because the the crowd defillo involve not just because they can see the whole run so in the crew goes to join the driver in rob they call often. They're waving they're going to be cheap especially it's been a good run. Everyone kind of it does feel everyone's involved in it and all the although I'm sure there are fans of individual vigil drivers and teams. Everyone just wants to see a really good run. They just WanNa see the numbers. Come up at the end with a record ron or personal best or something I think everyone conjugates be invested in it. It's it's actually quite a theatrical sport inasmuch as it all takes place in front of you On on the stage as it were whereas you go to a second race and people drive pasta and then vanish and then they come back and drive past you again. All this entire drama. The thing is carried out each individual matchup really is a drama in itself and it gets it takes place on the stage In front of you and you've got the audience Lined up on either side around it so it it gives that kind of an amphitheater atmosphere. Perhaps and it's not just the right. There is because the burn out the star as I'm drivers seemed to do most of the realm before backing up again so that kind of Austin Spectacular Pacu and then they're edging forward into the box so it kind of even though they caught short runs the e. s. over very short episodes of of a drama each time yes is also one thing that's been mentioned in passing with the same in each. He's kind of a family. The family team which I guess is although unusually it sounds quite important mm Fang and so so if you kind of did your family have you rub the Molenaar as we saw this kind of a drag racing family effectively just popey lock on From state who said that the family that race together stays together and if you can share the same passion with your family. Hey Hey how lucky you are. And I'm blessed with a family who is who one of them likes the sport of course when the kids way young like five six or seven years old. They have the choice to stay at home if mom and dad went to the raceway so we always took the kids with us and Obviously they are years that they get a little bit board but you know kids they easily pick up their own small tasks thicken clean salting and when they feel that they are part of the team that keeps them hooked. I swell among all now Paul. The night that's right. My daughter daughter Hannah cease working at helping them sealing the heads and assembling the short blocks with my husband and my son is taking taking care of our clients. So it's really family business so you call it places. They've gone down the civil engineering mechanical solid than the coma. I want to get in and have a guy. Cain one day if that happens Maybe I will join the MOMS club and I'll be worried what will happened if I'll give this car to my dear daughter or son and it's kind of funny that when you're driving yourself you feel how to say I can handle earliest but Kenema small daughter or some do that or even my husband. My husband is having coffee license as well. So it's different and if you're travelling yourself or keep the car to your dear once. Maybe she did another public vote. Isn't you do public with your husband. Say which one of you would get the drawing. That's why isn't it. Yeah it's it's it's more because of fun boy well my husband. So gentleman he always as you can have the seat. You did how you did have kind of a break in your career see at a at a family and oh those fulltime three of them have come in recent years I saw in the second half of your of your career. She recites that is quite unusual cease of a career break. You can come back and be even more successful that's right. I think that's very common Indo Women's sports overall whatever sport. That is the when you're having your family after kids. Your career is done but I had the possibility okay. It was me my husband who returned back to racing and I just went to see Thomas Raising kids and I noticed that my our kids krone so that they may not dangerous to the cars anymore and the causeway not dangerous kids and then would you like to try unless is it. He S and here. I am still and it's probably worth mentioning the right isn't it because you're I taught in two thousand anything of what what was happening elsewhere in most would put it in context marks you macro was just about to win his third world title. Jason Plato. Just started in British touring car. So that's a lessening credible longevity to remain competitive over. That's is that is that quite normal. People stay in drag racing for a long time in Europe at Lee we. Oh yes in America as well. There are people who are having a like a long career but Even off the thirty years I still feel can learn more and that keeps me still driving. I still feel that first of all of course I have to be competitive. I can't be competitive. DT And I can still learn can still go fast and in our sport experience bay play such peak kroll as well the mall. You know how to handle that. Ten thousand horsepower cars. The more you can the bitter you are although Oh of course the eight might slow you down but The other areas you can still say you can still be good or better than the other ones. What's interesting because that kind of drag racing about reactions arms and that kind of thing so I kind of think it? Ah kind of a very young person's guide but clearly it. It isn't an I guess. The Fat eubanks is successful now. So my success when in the Palestinians does support support. You say that experiences incredibly valuable experience is the book what can possibly go wrong in drag racing. It's very thick and although it is very short time we are driving but so many different things can happen and If these small mechanical problem glum it's all about. It's all about if the traffic can still handle and take the win although whatever happened and Maybe the thing is that whatever happens before you're going over the finish line you have to try to do your best. And after you're gone over the the finish line then the game is over and you never know the other one might get protest like few centimeters before the finish line. Never give up. And I'm Mike Car is built at. I don't actually see the other car at all. I don't ever know where the other car of course it so much in front at the it's offers but if it's like next to me we don't know which call one we racer so when we go over the finish line and slow down and just wait for our crews to come because of We don't always know which one one. But when we see the tow car coming with honing the Eh Carr and plinking the lights and tearing out okay. That's my car my car. I might give away then isn't it. I wonder at the point where you're talking about identifying problems before they develop and probably I imagine this truth Motorsport General Sport. Generally you probably probably say even if your reaction time falling away slightly you poorly make up for that then defying that potential problem earlier because you go all. This is like a sub-conscious though. I imagine this is like like such and such time I need to do this. Stop that happening where somebody who doesn't have the experience it's happening and they're reacting to it and so with the public that's right. Yeah yeah absolutely but to compete. I mean if the other car works as it's supposed to work than it is hard to beat if he's like mechanical the problems of course you have to try that. UK usually get what is known as a pedal fast in eliminations. Obviously it's it's who gets to the finish line first that wins and it doesn't always mean you're you're running to maximum we An extremely good example of that that was The European finals about seven or eight eight or nine years ago When it came down to the championship and ship came down to the very final run the final round between Earth Air Backer and Hristo Potanin another Finished driver and and both of them struck the ties at the launch and They were on and then the off and on and smoking the whole way up and it was. It's it's one of the most memorable final rounds at anyone has ever seen in actual fact I think And you know they managed five or six seconds. John's I think in the end when they got there but it was it. Was this on off on off all the time. Neither car was working as it should have done But get to the finish line. First and the winner was the champion for the year. So and that's where the nature of the event changes isn't it 'cause during the qualifying if you do have a problem as normally shutdown down and there's no point in putting strain through the components whereas once you into the knockout you'd never know someone is having even worse problem than you so you just you just have to keep going. I think that's idealized. Some of the terminology pedal fast food is always star guest on To BARRINGTON BOYLSTON expert. About how wade is kind of a neater set in terms of the rights in the European and Anita currently is is the the European drag racing superstar Victory of the European finals in September was her fifteenth FAA Top few win which puts a six ahead of the nearest challenger on the wind list. There's about well if it doesn't events a year so yes yes yes so she's dominant At the moment and she's one of well at that the European finals we had eight top fuel fuel cars and four of them were driven by women and An eternity qualified third. I think didn't you'll not but DOT COM The eliminations day absolutely size lose the opposition Who you know weren't up to scratch and so so forth and yet Anita wanted straight through So extremely impressive display there is a need to the any particular the draw. You're looking out for the cipher next season of thing and they're going to be difficult debate or or you say focused on your own game that you're not really to build that who you're up against when I wake up on Sunday morning. I'm only thinking that whoever is coming I have to beat if I want to win. You have to beat them all. If you WanNa win you have to beat them all so I keep on telling myself and actually. I don't pay very much attention. Who is on the other line KS? All might sport focus on doing your job giving giving Roy because that's not to worry about without thinking about anyone else's anyone else is doing but I'm I'm very keen now and getting the two sons opponents I was. I was just looking through your actually the sensible very very busy event calendar sense now in the course of the year Not all at weekends Not all listed on there. I mean we have drifting events almost every week I think Wednesday afternoons which. We don't advertise not a spectator prevent such but is pack the place out with with drifters. They will come in. So there's essentially something for everybody that of the conventional drag races as it. Were there only well airfield more now. I think that probably only about eight in the course of the year but so many other the things we Volkswagen events there some of the biggest that we have and different Different Karl Marx and Family Events Um and you have your own historic event historic tends to go track styles. Yeah well we actually have story events on that right yes yeah nostalgia. Drag racing is what it is drag style and that's a relatively recent event. Dr- Nostalgia Races have been taking place Since the nineteen nineties They tended to hold them at The now defunct Shakespeare County raceway long master near Stratford-on-avon But we developed drag style. I think twenty thirty was the first year that it was on his now become a very large Event and but we also have a couple of other The hot rod drags and and The nostalgia nationals wish both migrated over to us from Shakespeare County And there's also the vintage hot Rod Association have a race as well so you're quite Well covered you know if if historic drag racing is your thing The drag style is is the biggest best best of the lot. I want one other thing mentioned in now. No one's primary to say it's on the face of it. It's quite complicated the different classes. I feel viewing whole event. The Oxygen Carter's in different things. You can go in for by my experience. The the programs of really helpful they wanted this essential reading. I think if your new comer to sit there and go through and it's really good and explains what you're watching and then you can get your all in our says that'd be my recommendation to any in November. Two goes to get the program and actually I did enjoy that because at the back of the set. I've got a glossary with lots of those fabulous Jack racing terms that you enjoy. I'm enjoying enjoy them. Definitely GonNa get so I guess the ones that stand out as you got the first and last rounds of the European Championship says one on the for those in the UK year the Spring Bank holiday in May so may twenty any seconds a twenty fifth and then September thirteenth. For the for the finale. Those are the ones that are absolutely there are two Primedia Crimea races We tracked too big crowd. We attract all the top teams from Europe. And that's the next time we shall see Anita presumably unless you have to becoming tested rested Easter or something of that sold but Yes the round one of the European Championships Spring Bank Holiday at the end of May other active. The venues for proper drake's no not any more sadly the other MSA or Motor Sport UK Sanctioned venue was Shakespeare County that has gone the way of Housing Estate Sadly And then there was your Chris way which has closed down beginning to be reborn again. I think in a small way for various reasons so Santa Pod is actually now the only functioning permanent drag strip in the country entry. I mean they have they wrote run Drag events at other locations fields and so forth on a on a fairly small-scale l. basis. But you're not going to see the top fuel dragsters and so forth nowadays Years ago you could maybe run those airfield sites nowadays you can't you need. The purpose has built the proper tracks with proper safety equipment and so forth and he's how many top venues in in Finland is that sort of there. Is that one Goto or more only one one. FAA event but they of course they are like in local races as well for a smaller category cars cars and Maybe like There are two different Two tracks in Finland or and then they have like a street meet STREET STREETCAR SCANNED RACE. Like airfields on that stuff so but only one. If I ate event similar to Zahir that in that regard that's got some old tracks thing that's persuade Silverstein smell some of the phone circuits of God. Sir Who dragster famously famously Hockenheim can hook nosed foreign to some of the jobs that can keep the good apple. Rain's GonNa says Oh yes whereas its big deal in in In Arabia Bahrain and Abu Dhabi and The country's is the busiest form of motorsport which people don't really recognize one of of your Former colleagues on on arrival Publications several years ago wrote A review of motor support in the in the the Persian Gulf area And I spoke to him after that and he said to me you know. What the busiest type of motor racing is there? I said yes I do. Actually he said yeah drag racing and there's a lot of it not not at the top fuel level but Street 'cause Promo type cars and so forth. It's it's A great deal going on there. You can see well it just from seeing what's on the roads actually places a lot Bahrain Lorraine into by an abbey some questionable driving Messo. So I understand I never get to but yes and you can see the on if she said the American cockroaches very obvious. That's that's a good gives us a kind of a a growth area Well it's been fascinating you to get a bit of understanding of it really Joy I'm honored to work out whether either those European championship rounds. It's a sensible cash for next year if they don't all definitely be along to as otherwise. I saw him much more than meets the eye to this to this kind of thing and also so many analogues with the rest of my exposure. Recite Sir. My Noviny coolness still assigned thing isn't it. Thanks very much. I need some accurate Jackson. Kevin Sooner so please checkout autosport dot com for latest in the world of formula. The rest of Motorsport. Let's magazine out. Every Thursday the US will put cast out normally every Monday and Thursday. And you can find that wherever you found this. Thanks for joining us. We'll be back same with another. We'll we'll put cost The music is six. Am By treeline written by Marcus. Awka Simmons See soundcloud dot com forward slash. Trio Music

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In The Gate #407 - Santa Anita Recovers

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In The Gate #407 - Santa Anita Recovers

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An update on the condition of the racing surfaces is straight ahead, plus the effect of the disruption on one of the most overlooked horsemen's groups jockeys agents, how do you book rides when there's no racing. We'll have all that and more on this edition of indicate. Two zero seven. This is in the gate ESPN's. Thoroughbred racing podcast. My name is Barry Abrams. You can follow me on Twitter at be Abrams boys or on Facebook at Barry Abrams voice. You can also get us on our YouTube channel by searching in the gate podcast. You can get us on soundcloud as well. Get us at the. I tuned store or tune in dot com. You can get us on that little pink pod. Catcher f on your phone. You didn't even know you had a now you can subscribe to win the gate in the listen tab of the ESPN app for the full in the gate experience of scribe now in the listen tab of the ESPN app light training on the main track. At Santa Anita has resumed no timed breezes, but some jogging and stretching of legs. The daily racing form reports that racing will resume on Thursday, March twenty second that date is contingent of course, on the results of additional safety inspections the team conducting those inspections is led by Dr Mick Peterson of the university of Kentucky co-founder of the racing surfaces testing laboratory, and we're pleased to welcome. Dr. Peterson back here to in the gate now, let's point out that we're recording this on Monday night, March eleventh what have you found so far? Well, the thing is that risk horses. Always multi factor Orioles. So our goal on this whole process is to improve the track to whatever extent we can. I mean looking at 'cause at this point is not even productive. What we've gotta do is. We've got to get better. And you you look the spate of injuries. And you know, it's completely unacceptable. I mean, we can't do this. And so we're doing is we're looking at absolutely every option, and that doesn't matter whether it's the feature be and Rick Arthur and the coin medical director looking at the horses in my case, my expertise is the track and I'm providing whatever information I can see HR be to the track. And then we're just trying to get better at this point. Because. We can't keep doing this. We'll right. But I mean, I know you're you're looking for every option, but when you go into something like this you have to have a game plan. And after your first visit out here. Proclaiming the surfaces. Okay. What are you even looking for? Well, the first assumption. We went into was that. There was segregation the material. And so with the rains what happened, and you don't see this so often in California, you see a lot in the east coast or or even the mid west will live at is the fine material go towards the inside rail. And so what we did was even before we were doing the testing that was when Andy peel back the surface. He inspected the base and then by peeling back the surface and remixing it you eliminate the segregated material at this point overdoing is we're making sure and we did tests we took seven samples and did. Tests by the time we were done with the test. We did not see a lot of variation our first sumptuous spatial variation. We want every step to be consistent, and we did not see spatial variation in it when we went back looked at it. So at that point, we have to go back and look at the other thing that we had out there was they had gone ground penetrating radar swimming, more make sure that the layers have been laid down well, and obviously after he'd peeled back. There was some variation. But we followed up with the ground penetrating radar and eliminated that so we've got a consistent surface with a consistent composition. What dentist has done is? He is gone ahead after we closed again or close completely dentist has gone back. And we mix the entire surface, and there's an engineer out there. Now, he's been using the biomechanical surface Esther as well as ground penetrating radar to make sure that he gets everything lay down. So he's remixed surface again. And brought up for the prime material from down below. So we're at the same time. We're continuing to do tests on this end to make sure that we can match this year string one of the advantage is that at Santa Anita. We've got a huge amount of baseline information. This is one of the dozen tracks in the country where we have had a full set of tests on every six months, and it Santa Anita. It's going on for well, it's been going on since they've had the dirt track. We did it for the synthetic track. But obviously not relevant. So that's what we're trying to benchmark it too. At the same time. We've got look at all the other issues, you know, any horse related issues, and you know, that's not my expertise. But that's at the same time, given the pack that it's multifactorial we have to look at the track saved time. We're looking at courses. Now, it's easy to say southern California's had roughly seventeen inches of rain since October. I normally L A gets fifteen inches for an entire three hundred sixty five day calendar year. And that's why there's such a problem. Now, what do you say to making the weather a scapegoat? Well, that's not a solution. We get a lot of rain in New Orleans. We handle it there and one of the challenges for the industry the industry needs to step up. I'm not gonna defend the industry on all this because there needs to be a more systematic approach to how we maintain tracks. What I've seen consistently is that when we have unusual weather. It's a challenge for the tracks. So that would be a dry period at Gulfstream or fairgrounds or this your Churchill or a rainy period at Sunland park or Senator Nita. That seems to me like that's a training and communications piece, and and and and and the industry at this point needs to step up and make sure that everybody has what they need. Dennis Moore is a huge advantage out there because he remembers the years when they had a lot more rain in southern California thirty years ago now, but that's no solution either. I mean something apple then it's more. We need to be able to duplicate those skills. And I think that's what we're looking at right now is we're dependent on my technology combined. But then it's more skills, and we need to duplicate that and bring that to the other tracks. You know, we make progress in some areas and in other areas, it seems like you know, we have one bad year. And it seems like we're we're back in the battle days, and that to me is a lack of training lack of information lack of communication. We're talking here on negate with Dr Mick Peterson whose team is conducting the track inspections. Santa Anita that facility remains closed for racing until March twenty second. Now there were twenty one fatalities at the track since the start of the Santa Anita meet the day after Christmas, we all know that of course, most of the talk has been about whether something's amiss on the main dirt track, but four of those twenty one deaths for on the turf course, how much attention are you paying to the turf what we've done is we step back and looking at the turf track that also again suggests that we've got a broader issue rather than just remixing the dirt in the dirt on the main track. We we need to look at the turf track. Santa Anita has committed instituting a more complete monitoring system on their turf track. They've got a quite an experience superintendent on the turf is named Jesse. And he does a terrific job. But again, I'm not sure how much experience he has with this, much rain. And I think strana group has done a good job there reconsidering when they take. Braces off the turf, and you know, that's obviously a challenge for the for them point Anchalee. But it's also a challenge to be closed. They been now let's say you conduct all of your tests your team conducts all of the tests and wind up finding nothing unusual going on with either the dirt or the turf course, which is where you seem to be trending. You know that if and when you break that news to Santa Anita officials, and eventually the public that news will be taken two ways. Glad to hear the tracks are considered safe. But also, what could be causing these deaths is there's something darker going on here. So how it is that color the way you'll present your findings to them. Well, I guess the best case of that was you know, a few years ago we had another spate of injuries at aqueduct. And what I think is success at naira at point was we didn't find anything. With the track. And so Naro doubled down on the amount of data that they were taking the track to see if there was something. We're missing a clear example of that is we need to be measuring moisture content during races and not just once a day. And what I think is really one of the biggest challenges is pursue pretendants is when you've got a floated track that you're running on at what time do you open that when do you make the transition to a hero track right now, they're not even a information aside from race times? And just observation, you know, we need to give them more tools. And let me tell you another the other group that needs more tools than the the track needs to provide more information. That's the trainers. The trainers are having to make decisions about the fitness of their horses. And if the speed of the track varies dramatically from day to day to moisture content. That's not an easy decision for them. And they're still trying to get the orces ready for. The races. So by providing more information to the trainers. You know, there's some trainers just have a feel for it. And you probably don't need to give them more information. They have the judgment. But there's a lot of them if you'll give them more information, and they learn to integrated into their training routine. We can help bring the horses up to the right level of fitness and not over train them. So it's really the responsibilities on me from the technology side of the tracks. From the information site to provide more information to help support the trainers to do their job to to predict the horses and get them ready for races hinted at a number of potential improvements that could be made in the way tracks are maintained and the information communicated. Do you think there is a greater good for the industry that will come out of this? Or will this be considered a case specific situation? Every indication to me is I'm hopeful that we're going to get better. Now, you should call me back in. Month, and or or two months, and if we haven't made any progress, I will tell you because, you know, this isn't when I signed up for I'm engineer, I'm not a horseman, and you know, I got into this to protect the animal and to protect the ride or and by protecting the horses and the riders that takes a commitment by the industry. I've seen every indication that strana group is moving in the right direction. And that there's other players in the industry that are supportive, but you know, attention is is something that's transient. And and and I appreciate your concern because I'm concerned too. Dr Mick Peterson of the university of Kentucky co-founded the racing surfaces testing laboratory in his part of the team working to make Senate and Nita safer than it is now thank you so much for a few minutes for sharing this with us. And we look forward to hearing more updates. Thank you. How would you like to put rides for a jockey based at Santa Anita right now. Other than the fact that there's no racing. What's the problem? We'll talk with the agent for floppy on Pratt about how they're dealing with this right after the break. Let's consider the secret life of the innermost nesting doll living, most of her life in the dock inside the other nesting Dole's. He has plenty of time to think if we could sadly, she has no brain, however, when in a most nesting dole, his the gyco not only saves people money, but also has been providing great service for over seventy five years. She thinks it's obvious. You should switch because. Yes. Switching to Geico is a no brainer in a most nesting Dollond her lot in life. Welcome back to the podcast. It was supposed to be a blow out weekend. At Santa Anita with the big cap and the San Felipe bay as the headliners on a big stakes weekend but on Saturday March night. Mario Gutierrez was riding in Arkansas. Mike Smith was in New York and flabby on Pratt. Who's one six graded stakes? This year wasn't writing. In fact, he hasn't ridden a race since March third right before the great race place suspended racing for two weeks. Now think about it in many businesses nowadays. There are almost always work arounds. Maybe you can work from home. If something's missing the office. Maybe you travel a lot for your job. So if one or two clients drop, you you simply move onto the others. But in the racetrack world, there are jockey colonies, the group of regulars who don't just ride the big stakes but all the daily races that allow people to make a living. It's not really feasible for a jockey in California to bring his tack to Arkansas for two full weeks. And try to take rides away from the rest of the colony big stakes days or different those are one day things. So how do jockeys and their agents cope when there's a disruption like the one at Santa Anita? Usually we like talking with the riders themselves on this show. They're the ones you all know. But I think we'll learn more by chatting with a jockey's agent. So since we mentioned flabby on Pratt. Let's chat with his agent. Derek lawson? Thanks so much for being here. Hearing that news that the track would be closed must have been like Marvin the Martian saying, oh, don't mind the earth. It'll be gone in just a few minutes at blocks. My view of Venus like you just assume the earth is always going to be there and thanks to Bugs Bunny. It still is floppy on. And you must assume that Santa Anita will be racing. So what did you think when you heard what was happening, right? And that's the point is at the first half of the year. The the challenge of Joel. Dario coming out to southern California has just boost our competitive spirits and Jesus and against. Writing really well, and I've been finding him good horses to ride. So it's been a good a good two months. Now, we're. March. But nonetheless hearing that news that the track would be closed must have been like Marvin the Martian saying, oh, don't mind the earth. It'll be gone just a few minutes, at blocks, my view of Venus. I mean, just like you assume the earth is always going to be there and thanks to Bugs Bunny. It still is floppy on a new must assume that Santa Anita will be there, of course. And unfortunately, we've had an unprecedented amount of rain that took place we lost at the time. When all this rain was falling. Dennis Moore decided to not work at Santa Anita anymore. So there was a new individual taking over possibly between the race track management and the people in charge of the racetrack. They may have made some mistakes, but they'll get it organized. It's like anything else they received the criticism it stings, but they're on their way back. They're working their way back track looks outstanding. And so the problem we'll get. We'll get rectified what did floppy on any other writer with whom you've come in contact and the other horsemen with whom you've come in contact say about the condition of the track. Did they ever say? Hey, this might not be so good right now. It happened the last week and a half. Because Fleming was never complaining about the track or anything else. But in the last week and a half he felt that the bottom was very hard. And remember, it's a clay type of dirt and mixture that they have and the more rain and more was packed down the Klay gone a harder and harder. So that was concerned that was a concern. Well, you obviously a love horses are the caretaker of a man who makes his living with his body. So how concerned have you been about all this? That's been going on. Well, fortunately, no horse than fly. All yeah. Actually, you know, what she did ride one worse at growth down. Now that I remember a horse of Leonard Powell's. So that horse did get put down. I can't give you the name right off the bat, but he was on one horse. Fortunately, he was able to pull that or some and the he didn't follow it. But unfortunately for the horses life was lost. So there is a concern. Absolutely. My suffered with one injury that Flavian had four years ago. So yeah, that's a major concern. And it's also not only a major concern for jockeys. It's the exercise writers in the morning as well who can get hurt. And then they're they lose their income as well. So there is a concern the people that own the horses they have a vested interest financially and emotionally in their horses. They were also stung, so it's not like, we're just, you know, wiping, the slate clean. No. There's going to be some new regulations that are gonna be put in you have to contact this new task force. You're going to have to tell them, you're. Working the following day. They will have a right to come over and take a look at the horses before they work, and they'll also have the right to tell you know, you're not working the worst for something wrong with your horse. So that's something that's going to be. We're all going to have to understand and work with. It's a new beginning. Now on what was supposed to be Santa Anita handicap day big cap day. I saw Mike Smith writing in New York on a day that had stakes but not a blockbuster day. I saw Mario Gutierrez riding in Arkansas. Had you tried to get floppy on rides out of town. Yeah. I did. I tried to go to right Tampa Bay. We tried to go ride Todd Pletcher horse in the Tampa Bay derby. He at the last moment decided to views Joel Rosario at the time when I was hustling around I ended up getting on a on seven horses in Florida. But when Flavian, and I started looking at the horses that we were supposed to ride there's the type of horses that we haven't been writing all your long. So I called up the Stewart. And we took off of those horses in Florida for last Saturday and Sunday. So there was an opportunity to go ride. But I just thought thought that staying home was are better option because we were able to work can talk who's going to run into steak. We were we were able to work Bella FINA. We also were for Richard Mandella Omaha beach who worked really really well. So we use the time to get some of the horses that are coming up for the steaks ready to run and by working them, and they were all working at Los Alamos, which has an outstanding track. And Los Alameda said no problem. So I'm and by the way, Dennis Moore is in charge of Los Alameda. So I'm so you can tell you can you can know that the both all three racetracks in southern California are back under good hands again and good stewardship and leadership. Derek Lawson agent for jockey flabby on Pratt joins us here on in the gate. So I guess you've answered the question what we did. With our winter vacation. Let's. Change the topic salmon away, wait a minute pair. There's no vacation. You kidding me? We were we I woke up and picked up phlegm in at four thirty in the morning, we drove to low south. He was on his first force. In fact, we got there so early that they turned on the lights at the racetrack in Los Alamos. So we can we would be able to see that we were working. So there was no vacation. I didn't go anywhere. I stayed right here. I'm sure your wife, really appreciates that the thing is people have been talking a lot about the main track. But some of those fatalities occurred on the turf course to what if Lavi on another horseman you've encountered said about the turf course, that's never been a problem for us as far as a condition of the track. They didn't use it all that much. Obviously there are holes in certain spots. And remember with all the rain the track may not have been as firm as it has been in the past. But you're right. I think there were not sure exactly the run the number of fidelity that took place on the grass scores. But there. Were. Well, actually, I think there were a couple of major stake sources that unfortunately, got hurt and they lost their lives. So. Yeah, that was the problem as well. But again, the main focus and the main complaint that I was getting from Flavian was on the main track. And it was just basically because it was so firm deep the deep part of the track was very very hard. Well, wait a minute. We talked about this with Mick Peterson a few minutes ago. But if there was so much rain, how would the base be so firm? Because they kept floating the track and they kept keeping track from not draining down below. Okay. They kept packing. It down you down pack it down. And that's how you ended up getting the firmness on the on the on the base. I know he came through and did his studies and everything like that. But and they did the dig a little bit deeper to try to soften up the hard ground. But again, I'm not attract person. All I was doing was listening to what flavor in was telling me, and he did say that when the horses were were hitting. They were hitting some pretty firm bottom. Let's change topics to something a little bit happier. Takes the lead on the outside with his move feeling strong starting to rally from behind. He is just behind whipping Jay at the top of the stretch where Callahan opens up quickly putting away the top two Galileo and well clear, and you could find a telescope to find the competition behind gala land, whereas Galilee in his training. He worked twenty eight and to gallop down one on one. He's running in the rebel stakes at Oaklawn park. I believe flabby on Pratt is also the regular writer of vessel leaker facile IKA. The starting to launch a wide bed. She's within six lengths of the league gathering momentum. Top of the stretch behind Muira thought Salita motoring down the center of the Cortes midst bad behavior gets the lead. But here's thought leaker spamming home in the center of the course and Fussell leaker streak of luck continues at nights rally into second. But Fussell leak the story just keeps getting better as she wins. The point of history. After two stakes wins at this center. Anita meat for Vassiliko. What is next for her? Well, it's been a wonderful year. That was levian ten victory out of eleven starts her next race will be the Royal heroine close to the end of the meeting and she's been such a tremendous surprise. I what can I say Jerry Hall indoor for his done a really wonderful job in keeping her ready to run. I'll tell you what fled into me about three races back. He mentioned to me that vastly is making him a better writer because all she does is she asked him to get her to the top of the stretch and she'll get him home. So his responsibility with her is to maneuver her through the early part of the race and make sure that she's ready to. So when she sets it down that she's ready to go down the lane. And so far we've been pretty successful in that. But that was a quote from him is that she's made him a better better writer. Yeah. Usually, great coaches say that to be great coaches. They have great players. I would think the same is true for jockeys. Derek loss in the agent for jockey flabby on Pratt. Thanks so much for a few minutes. Thank you very much burying. Appreciate you giving us the time. All right. Thanks to Derrick Lawson. Dr Mick Peterson suspending racing at Santa Anita has garnered a lot of attention and many derisive comments. Did it bring non more alarming than an uninformed talk show host who wondered why horse racing is even still thing. It's clear that guy knows nothing of this thing, nor does he care to he makes his bones as an expert of all sports, but say what you want about on nip it and commentators in the media, people listened to them whether or not you believe there towards well. At least horse racing has an organization to counter this narrative to control the message before it gets this far with a leader who has credibility in our general sporting culture of go-to person with the charisma of a star overweight. I must have confused horse racing with every other sport with a centralized than structured already. It's bad enough. 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Duran morning show is on the way it's one of the last ones and it's it's you got Bouma for me. Yeah absolutely hold on a second. Thanks a lot. Frankly a happy Daddy. What's on your mind today? Okay so this is just into help you guys out if you really have to P P first before you wash your dishes 'cause we've learned this yes last night and I had to go so bad and I have like three dishes in the sink and I'm like you know. Let me just wash them. I will once the water starts in the sink. And you're washing the dishes is your system's going. Oh water water. I'm like Gosh I gotta go running and run to the bathroom and P and then come back because I would have an accident accident you turn the sink off. I did but I didn't have time. It would have been bad. Only takes a second. SINKHOLE also takes a second to pee my pants. But you're wasting in. My pants are waste of water and I apologize if we could do the the math and the that you put in the toilet actually adds to the water coming out of your sink recycling but you gotta turn when you're one of the several guitar my own water what's up with you a Ghandi. We've all done that thing where you wake up from a nap. And you're like what day is it. What time is it? Where gramma yesterday? That happened to me but it was an extended amount of time because nothing that I own anymore says am or PM. So I woke up at four fifty four. You Know How oh the sun is at that time right now so it was like it could be twilight or it could be rising. I don't know I was running around my house looking everything nothing told me. AM or PM. So I had to turn on the TV and see what was on on. What was coming up? I was like this is the worst either. Could rely or you had to get up and go to work. You didn't know which one I was getting up and going to work I was late. Wow what is happening. Nothing says I hate this digital. We should get rid of that. AM PM system. Get rid of it from for everything so you don't have to wake up. You don't have to wake up ever froggy. What's up with you? Last night went out to dinner just me and my son one of our favorite restaurants and the waitress comes over over and say mentions that we were brothers. I don't know if she was kidding. or She's being nice or what it was but I want to say thank you to her. She made me feel much younger and made me think me and my son my brother I really young or your son's looking really ragged. I don't know what it is. But she thought we were brothers. Fabulous look that old. I'm so yeah yeah. We did good news or bad news quite well anyway. Let's get into your horoscopes. Good morning producer. Saying let's see how these things shake out Danielle help me out. Aren't capricorn. Ticking time to do stuff for yourself will go a long way turn off. That phone enjoyed some alone. Time your days and eight Aquarius. You're doing great. Your professional life continue to exude confidence. Indi- your days at ten. I let your creative juices flow. Take up a hobby. You've wanted to learn your nine areas someone's specials GonNa need advice from you so be sure to apply that advice to your own life as well. Your days is seven Taurus. There may be some tension in the air. So don't let that get in the way of all the good things happening in your life your days eight Gemini you might be feeling stressed out instead of bottling it up be sure to confide in those close to you. Your days is seven cancer. Something great is right around the corner embrace it and use it to get closer to your goal your days nine Leo go out and treat yourself finally purchased that item. You keep putting off and then you could come in Elvis and tell us about it. You're dead versus your enthusiasm is unmatched. Just be sure to bring positive energy into all aspects of your life. 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Gandhi woke up yesterday afternoon as the sun was already down she saw it was four fifty four fifty four almost five o'clock she didn't know if it was. AM or PM. Sent her into like a chicken with the head caught off thing absolutely running around in circles in my apartment trying to figure it out our listeners always to the risk yes they say if you want to solve that dilemma not knowing if it's am or pm we need to move to military time. Yes I could do that on my phone but then I'd have to think about it all day you with military time. If you use it a lot you get used to it as I served for many years in the military military. That is a good solution to the problem. It will never happen again because that was really traumatic. Six minutes I did the thing again last night. We're dreams it's my fifth night and a row of dreams that just wait me up at have me up thinking in in my mind starts wandering and I'm eating right before bed. No thought that could have been it but no I'm not so I don't know eat right before bed. Forget it messed up up maybe messed up. I'm insane in the brain. Do you think it could be this Wolf Moon. Dewolf Moon is tonight. I know it's our first fool moon of the year and I love beautiful full moon. The problem is is full moons actually cause problems they do and ask anyone who works in an emergency room at a hospital. People babies are born. People come in with light bulbs up there. I mean there's a full night of things to remove from people orifices. Pardon my ignorance. But I know we can't do that. But what makes a Wolf Moon Wolf move. What are the characteristics? Actually we learned about this yesterday. Did gone to. Yes so they call it the wolf moon because apparently the wolves like to breed in January and February. That's their time. And they hell a lot more to howling breeding Wolf. Yeah but it looks like a full moon felman. It is a full moon. Looks like an extra large no no. It's okay we're GONNA now partner. Ignorance diamond tells me today is. Isn't this where she usually comes in the next break. What's needed today? Is National Pook peculiar. People ooh celebrated we have room to celebrate because we are a room that celebrating. So do you know more about this Diamond National Peculiar People Day National Peculiar Yulia People Day started. Because you know a lot of kids were being made fun of his children because they were not the norm right and so excuse me so days like today our win you make people feel good about being different. I like that. That's sort of something. We celebrate yeah. Yeah so if you are you need to find a way to celebrate. I'm GonNa Screw this word you need to find a way to celebrate your pooku peculiarly peculiarity. Hughley era God I can. I can say peculiarities. I hate you anyway. You don't WanNa call them. Hey you're cute. I like that word. It almost sounds like negative but we should embrace everything about you. That makes you different. The front is really. What makes you unique in tastic? Yeah the things that were all that make us all the life. Yeah book we all have bones. We all have blood. We all have organs bleilers boring. You'll normal but as I said we all have things in common like bone in an Oregon's and stuff inside but it's the stuff on the outside and stuff in our minds and our hearts it makes. It's different so celebrate your peculiar. Isn't there a word you can't say. Yes el-zayyan R. U. R. A. L.. I'm not even GONNA try rural. See if you think about it. It's rural rural. Don't and get Danielle started. You pull it out has stuff in it. Draw up appear in what they call it. A draw open the draw the draw within the draw. Sam what's up. Hi Hi I'm thinking of all my shortcomings is what's up right now. Those are your peculiarity as exit. The things you think are your shortcomings. Cummings are actually the things that make you unique. I'll say what do you have in your feel-good right. So you guys remember how we sent someone Christmas cards a few weeks back. who was asking for our or help right okay? So this is another participation one. I need everybody's help in Des Moines Iowa. There's a hospital. Employee goes around reading to children in the pediatric metric intensive care unit. So basically. It's the scariest place you can be an ospital little kids who are in the worst shape possible. His name is Dane Pratt and he believes that even though a lot of these kids can't react they can't move. They still can hear an him reading to them. Lets them know they're not alone and it really helps out the families who don't know what to do with themselves at this time so Pratt doesn't work at the hot does work at the hospital. Rather he's an. He works equipment so he's not a volunteer and in his free time he he goes to the library to check out whatever books he can which is working on him. That's allowed to ask for him so he's asking for our help. He wants children's books and right right now. I have tweeted out the address. We're going to put it on our twitter. Elvis Duran show. It's going to be on instagram. It's going to be everywhere. People send this guy books. He's absolutely amazing. Thank you so much Trish Jordan for this article Dane Pratt. You are an amazing human being and if you have a story that deserves to be featured email me salmon Elvis Duran dot com subject jake minefield. Good good we do things like send him Barnes and Noble Gift Cards. Also your books like that wouldn't send Amazon because he can also buy tires. I don't mean accidents tires or it will thank you. Thank you producer Sam. The First Danielle report of the day on the way what do you have. Oh boy there's more to the royal story story this morning. You love this story crate during the morning. Text dose at fifty five one hundred standard data and messaging string rates may apply. It's Elvis Duran in the morning show so My Assistant Andrew Andrew. His the thing about having a Andrew Andrew is my assistant is we share a calendar. He sees all my stuff and all time. You do see what's on today's calendar yet. No no no. It says it's Andrew's birthday. Oh birthdays until spring right. Yeah no it's until April okay. So I woke up this morning going. Oh God awed cake Andrew's birthday thank you. She's like I don't think it's now. Birth next birthday is nate next week. Well yes yes. It's my mother's birthday today. Mom Roseanne having a happy birthday Andrew's birthday Andrew. My my nephew uh anyway have. Can you ask my system to order himself a cake absolutely. He'll go to billy's so I I was talking to Thank you Andrew. I was talking to nate a few moments ago and his birthday is next week. Yap He was reading something on read it and it was actually a very interesting question. What do Oh you do while people are singing? Happy Birthday to sit there looking like a moron nightmare. I hate it when we have to you. What are you GONNA do? I was thinking about that when you just sit there awkwardly and I really. I'm one of these people. I hope you sing it as fast as possible. Sitting there the whole world watching and interest sit there and when they do it at a restaurant or something and everyone comes over. And everyone's looking at you like you're not cannot do that. Even the happy birthday song dumps on they make them saying had paper thing up. I yeah so anyway so I suggest doing this and feel so proud of it because if it's your birthday it's Your Day Gandhi here in my hair. You Danielle if it's your birthday it's your day sing along with them and and when he gets to your name just say me on the cool weird birthday dear me usually doing clap too you know. What else are you supposed to? Why don't you sing along with him? And just an insert the word me to put yourself in the third person true. It say your name why why not restaurants. Don't even try to learn your name anymore. They just say happy birthday. Happy Birthday Brownie with the candle. The cheapest your birthday. Sing along to your birthday song went. What's that This texture actually has probably the best suggestion. You sit there with your eyes closed thinking about your wish. Novella God weird there during one eight hundred two four two zero one hundred. Hello Kelly. What's is going on? Oh Hi I texted in about not being able to pronounce rural rural. We're talking about words. We can't pronounce. I cannot pronounce took Uliassi's you did it so you can't say rural rural rural. I don't know because the world were the word rule is one of those words where you kind of have to cheat it. It's it's it's more like we were rule but with an extra bump in rural rural rural. No no you don't really pronounce the bar in the middle a rural rule. It should be eliminated. Scary thing squad roll roll roll roll and I also cannot pronounce brewery. See I just I I turn it into two syllables brewery. Yeah it's one of those cheat word you got kind of cheat it. You cheat a civil out of their brewery even though is it real rory. Is it three syllables brewery. Why no but if you say brewery you sound like scary? Let's say brewery we went down to the brewery this weekend and you can say it into syllables and it sounds right right. It doesn't sound wrong like role word Brew Rate Gary Brewery. I think brewery doesn't sound for it doesn't sound correct but it is i. I'm just saying saying it doesn't sound correct. Doesn't he was in a rural area. Oh Gosh squirrels. Writing Wall Scotty lobby be in. Serial killers has a word he can never say. Scotty hold on Kelly. Is there any in other words you can you say. Can you say Squirrel Squirrel Royal. Just fine yes Koro but see we say squirrel actually two syllables in the dictionary. If you look it up when his squirrel it's one civil you say you don't say squirrel squirrel squirrel like squall girl. Hey what's up Scotty. I don't know what's this. The word serial killers that you can never pronounce an Andrews constantly awfully correcting you. I've been seeing subsidiary for years. You just send it. How did I used to say it? Subsidiary Yeah Kelly. Are you like the rest. I was thinking about it. You're GONNA miss you. Can't you gotTA drive on through like run. Don't even stop point Santa. Well that's different. It's Setia Kelly. Thank you for listening Do you live in a rural area. I do I and in a rural part of Buffalo Breweries up. I have a brewery behind the restaurant that I work at so unfortunately apparently I have to say brewery allies do awkward still. Just don't think about all right. Kelly have a good weekend. Thanks for listening to us to take care bye-bye Hello Bobby Hey. Hey Bobby it was your birthday yesterday. Happy Belated Birthday. Thank you so much. Did you in a situation where people we're seeing happy birthday to you. Oh Yeah what did you do. While they were singing that long drawn out song. I just mild I I. I think it's so awesome. Just I people send you happy birthday to you. You're standing on stage or getting a standing ovation. You just stand there and let them clan okay and if you think about it you do anything to deserve this like to be honest. It's your mom who should be getting the gift and the praise she pushed out about your dad. That's fine. Let's she pushed your ass out onto this world or whatever you know. It's like well you did. What widely hung out with well? Actually I hung out with family and then bought my My little cousins presence from upper attack all good good good a family member the disagree with Daniel something. You do deserve someone to sing happy birthday to you if they like you balch now. Look it's your birthday no matter what you can't stop it but if you're an a-hole no one likes you. You don't deserve anyone even better soon. They want to celebrate your birthday. Then can you do deserve it. Do you do all right bobby. Happy Belated Birthday and Just stand there and smile like you're getting a standing ovation. I think that's a great way of looking at it. Not Get a phone copy of your book. Maybe very early birthday present for next year. Because he's a nice guy you're very nice guy. Of course what did my dream being taught y'all my dream for a while. Now absolute scary vault with but that was just aggressive came out like an intimate you know. What if you don't take a chance you don't you don't succeed in life dairy? You're the only one. That's a part of me on instagram. So aw now he's happy. You're getting a free book to show Bobby. I'd be honored to happy. Belated Birthday and hope you have a great weekend. Were used talk to us. Where are you calling from? I'm actually calling from Unstuck Carolina. I'm in South Carolina Right now headed down the Florida Florida. Excellent hadn't done the C- froggy perfect. You have have a good weekend on the way bobby hold on one second. Belated Birthday he andrew. Can we send bobby. Yeah Okay thank you. Let's see Hello Jeff. Good Morning Elvis Elvis our you. We're doing okay Jeff. What's going on with you while I'm heading to work? That's not exciting. Let's move on. Oh you know we were heading to work about an about an hour. We know what you're so it's uncomfortable on the day. That should be your day for celebration and happiness. It's that uncomfortable moment when they're singing. Happy Birthday to you know about you but you say your brother does something interesting when they sing happy birthday to him and I remember the day that he started. It was many years ago ago. He was getting ready to go off into the navy. He's still in the navy today. And we went to red lobster of all places and they I. I don't know why they did this. It wasn't their best idea but but they sent out one lonely woman to sing happy birthday to my brother does all. Yeah and she starts singing winging and my brothers stands up and starts conducting her weight like she's an orchestra exactly. Yeah well. I've been a musician since I was a kid. So I'm sure that's kind of where he got it from but he just stands up and just starts waving his arms wildly conducting her and my entire family. We were mortified but it was hilarious. How Larry when? You're singing happy birthday to me next year. I'm going to conduct you. I'm your your conductor. Why not that poor woman for? Yeah I tell you what man she went with at the end he did like the floors to you. Know cut off the orchestra and stop right on the dive. The whole restaurant was watching us by. Then it was like this gran- thing it was. It was amazing red lobster and so long. I'm going to get in there and get those biscuits. Jeff thank you tell your brother. That's a great idea. So so now. You have several ideas when they sing. Happy Birthday to you next week. Nate you have several. Everybody is OK. Okay Hi Danielle. What is going on in your start out with all things royal? Because apparently apparently Prince Harry came out with that statement about leaving the royal family earlier than the Queen wanted him to and he was told not to put that statement statement out. He did it anyway and they are not happy with him. Apparently they're saying he's going to be punished. They he will be punished behead them they still do. They still be head. People don't think so I was hearing that the royal family's in panic mode trying to figure out how to deal with this down so go. Yeah it's crazy. No such a strict family. I know I know but did you hear what Piers Morgan said about Meghan. MARKLE shame on her. She's she's a ditched her family. She's ditched her friends. He's deter co workers She has separated Harry from his royal family. And now she's she's separating them from from the country he's blaming her for everything mainly tell ya he's probably strong enough to help make some decisions in our family. I don't don't think he's a hostage. Somebody's the Yoko Ono. Royal Family all right. So speaking of Madame Toussaud's Wax Museum in London. Of course they have the royal family together. Well not anymore. They booted Meghan Harry right out of there. ooh statues over to another. Imagine that must have been awkward. Helped Me Highness over here. But it was really weird because as you have the king and Queen and then on the other side you have William and his wife and then there's like this empty space Cardi B.. Take Brad Pitt is crediting Bradley Cooper with his sobriety that event in Hollywood. I got sober because of this guy and every day has been happier ever sell. Who helped him get somebody cooper? Can you get brand new. There is a rumor going around that the remake is in the work so that would be pretty fun. Well not not fun but it would be pretty cool to watch. The Hollywood reporter is using math to predict next week's Oscar nominations. It's a method that ways data from other award shows based on how predictive that data has been in the past. They're not giving the formula but they are given a Lotta love to what Keane Phoenix Renee. Zellweger Brad I pit Laura dern and one thousand nine hundred seventy director Sam Mendes. So we'll see what happens when the Oscar nominations come out next week. We'll see if they are right and I love this story. Dan and sharing a very sweet video of a boy comforting his down syndrome baby brother by singing ten thousand hours. They did with Bieber then yesterday. They tweeted out a clip offering. The boy's family free tickets to their September Seventeenth Show in Little Rock Arkansas. I was like Oh my Gosh I was crying. It was so so so sweet. There's a lot this weekend on your television. I of high school musical the musical the show every Friday. There's a new episode on Disney. Plus today today a new episode is released. I know Brody's very excited about that. Also the fourth night jeopardy the greatest of all time tonight on net flicks the series premiere of medical police police and also the serious of AJ and the Queen. That starring Rupaul is a drag queen who discovers ten year old stowaway in her. RV You also so have of course divisional playoffs NFC AFC The critics choice awards. Go down this weekend and. HBO gives you the series of the outside so much stuff. I know what you can stay the home. There's lots of television all right. Thank you Daniel. Hey guys this is. Selena Gomez. What's up it's Fletcher? Elvis Duran Elvis auster and show strand formerly weight watchers has launched their most customized program ever join. WW Today and unlock your customized weight loss. The plan that can make losing weight easier go. WW DOT COM and join today with the WW triple play offer ends January thirteenth purchase required restrictions apply so I know it's several weeks end but I wanted to wait a little while before I asked this question. Did you see cads and the movie and how bad was it. I have not read or heard one even kind of positive review about it right from costuming to songs longs to acting like nothing. Catch the movie. Yeah so I heard that the only thing that's good about cats the movie is it could turn into a cult classic like rocky ocoee Horror Picture show where people go watch it and throw things at the screen and stuff okay. You know what I'm saying wait android you see cats. I did just past Sunday. Okay okay so what did you think about the cats the move it was mind numbing leap bad say okay question. WAS IT so bad. It was kind of entertaining. Yes I will say that. Okay stay for the whole show. I did and you went to the theater and I did. I went to of my friends. We all sat there and it was just. It's so bad by the end of it. There was a fight going on the other side of the theater. In the back of the guy behind me was snoring. You really get a mix of reaction Excu it. Surely someone enjoyed it. There was the fight broke out because one guy was talking during the movie trying to mock it and then the other guy turned him and goes. I'm just trying to see cats. It also question. Why did you go see it? If you've already seen awful reviews I did go. Yes I enjoy watching bad movies. Okay Okay I purposely made it a point to go. See this in theaters money to see bad movie I have. AMC movie pass. I get to see three movies a week if I want to so I felt like it wasn't a wash Mr Wagon. Oh yeah all right so I tell you what I want to hear from you now if you saw it or if you didn't if you saw it and lighter and hate it you can text me at fifty five one hundred or you can call us at eight hundred two four two zero one hundred. I do hear that there are some highlights. Yes Jennifer Hudson's devos is just incredible one hundred percent. It was actually funny because when the movie was over we walked out and I said I only know memories. I literally watched a two hour movie but the only song I remember it's memories. I couldn't hump. I couldn't tell you what another song sounded like but I watched all two hours of it so I don't know. Oh we're that went in my brain but it's it's just vanished over. Also I saw the original cut where Judi dench's hand is just like hanging out. It's not a kappa. uh-huh talking about so in the cut that they they rushed into theaters like it literally was finished. I think thirty six hours before it even went to theaters right right so in some cuts of the movie. They didn't put the digital technology. All over the person's body so literally Judi dench's hand is just hanging out. It's just a human hand. The third with hands say it was a shaved cat. Paul well there it is. Oh my gosh. That's someone sent a text saying the best part of the film was the credits on over. All right hold on Let's go talk to Sarah. Hi Sarah Priority Levi them. Well it's the weekend we're ready to go ready to pop one and drink it so let me ask you saw cats. Was it really as bad as everyone say you know and so I was not going to go because everyone said it was so bad but I was like it's winter break. I might as well and Jennifer had was amazing easy to her. Her singing was amazing. But what about the the rest of everything okay. Well so I think that I thought chats on Broadway three three times as a kid and I think if you've seen on Broadway you understand the premise but for people who have never seen people dresses cat's walking and singing. It is a little awkward Daniel and I have both seen cats on Broadway. I still don't understand what a couple of times that I don't get it at the android Weber. What the Hell it was about? I still don't Andrew. Lloyd Webber's Andrew. Lloyd Webber Sat sat in this chair right now and told us he didn't know what it was and he wrote it right. So what do you think. How is Jason Derulo in the movie? He was amazing to and his movement and Taylor Swift with amazing. I mean like there were there were parts and it's weird like you said nobody gets it but like I I don't think it I mean if you don't I wanNA spend the ten bucks or spend the ten bucks but if you want you want to see something different like see something different for a change. Okay all right all right. I like your attitude. Here's Sarah I think I'm GonNa wait until maybe an airplane ride to watch films that come in airplane films. You play three hours watch. Sarah have a great great weekend. What are you doing this weekend? Anything good on. I am working at a Yoga Studio teacher but I have a side Gig so I got to do that. And I'm going to surprise. Sixtieth Birthday Party arise. Thank you for listening guys and I had the worst day ever yesterday so I'm so glad to talk to you why was it so bad yesterday. Piggyback my parents dog suddenly passed away. That's hitting really close to home. I gotTa tell you. There's nothing worse I this is why I woke up at one o'clock this this morning because of losing pets your mind especially when you're trying to sleep and you can't your mind just goes a thousand our down alleys. It shouldn't go and I was thinking about This listen to your parents. They lost their kid older so much. Art Sarah Thank you for listening Morgan. You saw cats watch the movie and you loved I did I mean I think love is strong word. I gave it like seven and a half half of ten but the preface. I am like obsessed with hats. The musical I discovered it when I was seven in on bts and it was on the HR. And I didn't do anything else. Other than watch cats the musical for the rest of the vacation. Oh so I had to go not the movie when it came out. You haven't seen for cats okay. So is there anything about it that you could have done better well so I didn't love that. They included such big name. People in the movie. I thought it took away from it. Especially rebel Wilson and James Corden. I love them separately. I think they're so funny but the characters that they portrayed are not supposed to be funny in the musical all and so in the movie they kind of like turn their characters and do a joke and it started the movie off really poorly. I think it's I think ended really. Wow I think that all the rest of the characters even like Jason Real. I think he did a pretty good job but I think that they would have kept it like the main character who played the story. She did a beautiful job. You so you know way too much. My cats you enjoyed. It is a huge catch fan. Yeah well thank you see people down into cats officer. Happy that you call colleen and thanks for calling planning we talk to Troy Troy. How much did you love the movie? Cats oh out of five stars I give it one. I fell asleep. It was bad really to our where you sleepy before you went. Maybe that's the problem or is this. It was that bad. It was pretty bad and smoke a little. On the way they're getting stoned or go into cats is not a could. I do feel like Andrew Lloyd. Webber must have been somebody wrote exactly. Were Jason Derulo Swan. Can you see girlfriend. Remember digitally all the way out though. Just Kinda they deed they D- Schwantz them Kendall. Yeah but other than that. You're saying just just to save your money don't don't force it. Don't go see cats saving money. Yes enjoy what. Are you doing this weekend. Anything Fun Work and then partying yes. We'll sounds like it all right man. Thanks thanks for listening to us. Any of you have a movie. Everyone hated but you loved like it did terrible. Yeah Fox office if because I do. What is from Justin to Kelly after? Kelly Clark's in American idol. And they made a movie about you frog very nice. Yeah Borat great movie. What are you talking about because everybody round he makes fun of me for loving it? They all said it was stupid celerion movie. Hey let's move to TV. We've been talking about this. New Show called my feet are killing me. Oh God please no disgusting grow from the same people who brought you. Dr Pimple Popper. I'm GONNA vomit if you haven't seen the trailer Google the trailer and try not to talk to Jay Jay. Did you finally go watch. My feet are killing me on. TLC Yes I good morning guys. Was this thing feet. Just even when they're clean and beautiful to me. They're just nasty but these are nasty extra nasty like they have things growing off of him and stuff and they shave. Barnacle off of Nichols well. Last night I was watching it and and you know they are medical conditions but One gentleman had Elephant Titus feet. But I don't remember what the actual medical name was for. And he just looked like sit up on stuck together under his feet. The Feet I. I Love Cinema and I think that would be kind of Nice. Davis new guy is feet look like cinema sweating his feet look anti n pretzels. His cinema bunions. So okay. So there's one guy hit cinnabon feet go ahead the same female described. She said that her feet hurt. She had something that felt like needles poking the back of her heels and then she said that she she had this big toenail that was super long and it was protruding off the actual bed mail and it was blackened and it said that her. It's smell like whet corn chips. Never ever say that again. I'm calling the COPS. Oh we have the room like this is not good all right. So here's what's funny about. What Jay Doing? He's telling you about the most disgusting things that happen on. My feet are killing me and the ratings are going to triple this weekend because people want to go see this mess. My staff go to youtube like you know. Watch the trailer. nope no corn chips. I repeat it frog. Stop it stop it. All of the J we gotta go. I'm going to throw it on. Grey Week as you guys keep keep breaking everybody smile. You guys are doing a great big thank you. We weren't ask the worst. I was watching ninety fiance on demand so they have a commercial one commercial between all the brakes and it was that damn commercial every single time bad. Aw It's feet like you've never seen the two doctors are hot. She's hot and he's not. I don't WanNA shake their hands. Can we say hi to Detective Brian Downey. Can we see how do you are you officially here or not. I don't know yes or no officially unofficial so in our friend Brian Detective Brian of course. NYPD we're we're on his way to work so he's on his way down so stop by say hi. He's all dressed up looking fine. Any smells good. Smells good when lined up to sniff. Detective I can only reaches belly button. How tall are you Brian? Six six your six six. And how short are you. I am five one on a good day so five one KGO stand up is okay. If he's standing next to Bremen not gonNA take take pictures. Let's see without becoming suggestive gun. No pictures needed so your eyeballs. Come up to his nipples so love you practically. It's like your big eyeballs tables. What this reminds me that picture of you and shack remember that picture Hewitt seculow neocolonial? My eyeballs come up below his nipples. That was crazy. It's really fun. I know it was like strategically placed anyway So we have our NYPD. We whenever there's something going on with NYPD good or sad or challenging whatever. I'm always in contact with Brian to say. Hey what do you need or congratulations and we appreciate everything you do. We do have a favorite punk. Johnny just walked in. Can you throw them on the ground and arrested and tased him as okay Johnny. All right well thank you. Detective Brian. We appreciate you coming in in my PD in the house. He's unofficially here. You didn't hear him. You know nothing nothing all right. We have to get into the three things you need to know Gandhi. What's going on right now right? The NTSB is joining the investigation into that plane crash. That killed one hundred and seventy six people in Iran because now there is growing evidence that the jetliner might have been shot down by an Iranian surface to air missile. That that plane went down the exact same time that Iran was firing ballistic missiles at US forces in Iraq this week. Cas Twenty Twenty in vegas. We know that's a big tech conference where they unveil all all types of new gadget tree and so far the overall pick for best new product is really cool. It's called the brain codex and it's a prosthetic arm. That is actually controlled by your thoughts thoughts. I want one. How do they do this stuff? Okay I need a stirred arm. Hold your God I feel like everyone. Beginning slept all day. Just your thoughts. The third harm penises currently located. Is that the answer. You're looking for totally. I gotTA match. Finally how about this. We always talk about the importance of giving in doing something. Nice for other people will now a new study in China found that doing something nice for someone else. Works like a pain reliever an. I actually showed that. It lowers the amount of activity in the part of the brain. That reacts to pain and even works with chronic conditions So maybe go out and be nice today. I feel a little a better excellent. Thank you Gandhi. A phone tap coming up. Who's doing the phone taps? Gary this is a very special one because it's our receptionist Anita's last day so we're gonNA play the jingle angle ball ticket phone tap one that we can we bring in and thank her for being such a great a great dead mom absolutely love all right. So you're in your farewell. Anita phone tap coming up next to rain in the morning show one gorgeous curls and waves anytime anywhere the unbound unbound cordless auto curler from conair let you experience. 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They're called chops and every time I walk into the other room because they sent us to try so everyone's fighting over the meat sticks but they keep referring to them as meat sticks and it's just a strange strange conversations. Make sticks. I mean you could call them beef Jerky Jerky. These seem processed in some way. They're not so good. Excuse calmed I'm down Greece's only scary thing you don't have an opinion slash slash. It says good stuff. No flaw in. It says it says you can say whatever you want. There's only like five things in their scary any of the five things meet. Yes Turkey sneak. Have you had some of these leaks day. If I had a small the big meat stick itis itis titus small one. Yes it was very good. It's did you find the small meets Dick satisfying. Did you crave more meat stick or when I got to the very bottom of the meat the meat sticks slid out of the container. Yeah that's gotTa Hurt Alad. He'll gladly give you the small. I want to make sure the meat six days containing it's a fight to the death for these meat sticks. They're keeping track of how many go every day and they're like who took meet stick. Sorry sorry what's old in these gay. And he wears a toupee. When are you getting a new to pay? They got it. They brought it. And what is it horrifying home. Is it still at home in the back having another one made. Can you imagine a Horace Russell horrified to pay. No you know this one was down like this and it was on. Speak into the microphone. Johnny that's it was. It wasn't very nice. It was a horrible thing. A helmet was line. Was it like a like a short in the front long. Come on. It was long everywhere they had to cut it. WHAT WE'RE GONNA fit properly it? He doesn't he doesn't have have headphones phones on frog by now. That has the headphones on. No he's he's been in radio for forty seven thousand go. I can hear now hype froggy uncle Johnny Look like a Muskrat laying on your head uncle. Johnny no this doesn't look bad. Does it looks all go. The other one looks good. No it doesn't look at the back of his hairpiece hairpiece it. I'm going bald. It looks. It doesn't look right. Oh what can we just trim that little ratty part ratty the back of your hairpiece looks like it. Looks ready this johnny part of the problem with your hairpieces. You take it off and put it on seventeen people's heads that's part of the problem now. The part of the problem is those people take it off my head. I never touch it up my head. What that's Alex and Elvis? ooh I wanNA touch your hairpiece. I'll get rabies B.'s. Will tell you when we were all there. Were twelve percents in this villa in Italy every night people will get drunken steel uncle Johnny hairpiece and he had to look around this massive How these kids chasing? It's all over going over there over there and we were playing the happy and then you. I didn't forget where you put it in the morning. I did that night when I went to bed. Could say they'd sleep on me so I had to hide it. Wait a minute would come in and find it everywhere. That's why really all right Johnny Johnny Johnny. Let's focus on why you're here. You're you're making a cocktail in a few minutes not yet we've got to got to play the phone okay. All right and I don't know uh-huh focus on. Ym here yes. After ten years you want to focus on it. I think ten years is a great great tenure ended all today I tell you what. Let's just move onto the phone tap and then we'll come back in Johnny's GonNa serve a cocktail. I just my my point is this. We don't like to get drunk in the morning anymore so I don't know all right so wh- diamond does diamond will drink. Yeah we do have ZIP right. Well we'll I have a SIP. Okay at bid. Then I'll make non alcoholic drinks from now on okay. That'd be awesome. Do that uncle or make lasagna in California I like I do. We gotta go by the way next week. We're doing free phone taps TAE. Thanks to our friends at Raoult's homemade. Yeah tell you a lot of especially are Italian friends if you tell them that you're you're using sauce that you buy off the shelf and a grocery store they get mad at you. Raoult's does is the one you can go to and it's so good and so they're sponsoring are thousand thousand dollars pre money phone cuppa red wine. A quarter of a cup of red wine in it it off my gosh. It's amazing so anyway today. We say as today her last day. Today's her last official day we have a retirement. Anita Anita has been working at the front desk iheart for forever and she's just a light. She glows she's positive. She helps people in her spare airtime. She does things for people that she doesn't even talk about. Because he doesn't WANNA BRAG or make it sound like bragging anita is just a great friend. We're going to miss her so much. So this is a phone tap. We played on Anita during Jingle Ball season. And we're going to have her on in a few minutes to say goodbye. So here you go your Anita phone tap listen to great. She's always Elvis. The Elvis Duran phone tap all right scary. What's it all about today? Okay so Anita Annemarie are two of the receptionists at the Front Desk of our business office and they spend and all day answering business calls for several of our radio stations now sometimes listeners. Trying to win radio station contests Google wrong context number and called them by mistake so I thought it would be hilarious to phone tap both Anita and Annemarie at the business office front desk all right and pretend to be one of those. How's listeners trying to win a radio contact? Okay we're gonNA mess with Anita. I win the tickets. The wrong number. What station re-train each trying to reach? What Jingle Ball tickets? Okay so this is the wrong number. It's eight hundred two four two. Do One zero. What call her my though? I don't know this is the wrong number. How did they get the winner? Though I don't know you have to call could you could you. Could you find out iheartmedia my number one hundred yes one hundred okay and this is the number you need is eight hundred eighty eight eight eight hundred eight hundred eight hundred eight hundred to fourteen counted from this number now. Aren't you part of that the station this is the business line. That's not the studio line. But Your Business Okay. You have a good day I iheartradio. Hi Hung up on. Did they make it to one hundred. Yeah this is the place the business. I don't have time for this. I understand I understand but I no. It's not no games. I don't have time to play games. Trying to participate. Tests are trying to protect debut and eight hundred. Nobody if you called it and it's busy that's because because other people are calling iheartmedia to file a complaint. The Guy said the conscious resolve our. I missed it will. You're you're calling the wrong number to begin with no but I was in. I had a place in line on the phone and didn't answer number sixty three number sixty four. I usually take the wrong number. I was unique to call the number the time that old happened. The Guy said it was over in the next hour. Okay well I'm sorry. Yeah I don't know what to I. Don't know what to say tickets. I don't sorry you would have to call in and win the ticket station right. The business line. This is not the station tickets. I don't know they don't tell me when they're giving them away and you find out they they don't give that information out you know that they don't give that information out to anybody going to need to talk to somebody. You could speak to someone in promotions. I'm trying to win this for my brother Transplant Hospital. Yeah I mean I I really don't know what to tell you all expensive on stubhub. I can't afford them and I'm sorry I don't know what to tell you. Listen I'm desperate. Could you please help call number back to win tickets. Okay only down conspiracy to get busy signals. Ringing ringing and ringing allow iheartmedia. Excuse me our file a complaint. I been calling people. Keep telling me they win these tickets. Do you have anything to do with your life instead of playing games. This women's tickets my brothers and the hospital so I want to file a complaint. Really what do you WanNa complaint with would you. What's your name? Don't worry about my name. I'm not giving you my name. You crazy what's your name. You are crazy. I'm not giving you my name. You only a pair of tickets. Gets you any tickets. Because I lost out on the contest it was done fairly demon. You have nothing else to do call station and play games on trying to play the game. I've trying to play the contents go to the show. Let's none of your business actually ticket. You could sell me not to give out to you so much. This was the secret line to get it in this day. It's no secret lines the secret. The Elvis Duran personally list-serve. You've called you about ten times already and I'm really tired of it. This is a place the business had tried to be nice to you. You will not accept my kindness and I have a job to do jingle ball ticket okay. You're just being absolutely ruled like now. Oh and I will not tolerate it. It's scary sorry the composer that's why are the vice president. I get calls like this all day all day long Gary by the way that is Anita's real laughing we all over so much in the fact she's leaving you might as well. Just turn off the lights and go home. I don't even want to come to work without a neither here anyway. That is her real life. Bring her in in here in a few minutes. You'll you'll meet the real anita. She's just pretty amazing. That's great scary. Thank you TONITA. Thank you for all your years putting up with us and Like always like to say Every time I go to the men's room and I I'm at the urinal and I have myself in my hand. You know what I'm saying. Is She starts laughing in the next. I can hear her so it makes me look down and go kinda she laughing at that. I wonder sometimes anyway. They all have Idea for a phone tap lettuce. No I don't find a way to let us know I thank you. Anita we lost her. She'll be like I said in here in a few moments. Let's get into the Daniel report. Danielle I have an idea every time you say something funny uneatable all right. What do you have a going onto that? Leonardo DiCaprio brielle environmental organizations donating three million bucks to the Australian wildlife relief effort pretty cool Selena Gomez we know that she comes and goes when it comes the two Social Media She's one hundred sixty five million instagram followers. But a lot of times because you know the way people are on instagram. She needs to take a break for mental health. Says that once. Her new album comes out January tenth. What Winston wait a minute? Let's today that's today so her new albums is out today. It's called rare. Once it comes out today she is going to take a little bit of a break from instagram. So she's going to step away for a little bit of time so people stop being eight holes on instagram. It'll be a whole. She wouldn't have to do that but unfortunately Chris Martin is saying that hold play has no career aspirations left that they've met every single one there at this place where they all they feel like they just exist as a service to their fans and their songs. Are there if you really want to hear them. That's it's the best way to do. Business do it because you love it. Not because you have to prove anything John Legend Foo Fighters Leash Keys. Chris Martin they are among the artists will perform at the grammys tribute to prints prince. That will air on CBS later this year. So that will be fun. I know when they announced it was going to be like a saved by the bell. Revival people come back. WHO's he's not coming back so we didn't know if Mark Paul Gaza was Gonna come back? It looks like they just had to Redo his schedule and figure it out and it looks like he will be coming bad busiest he. Tiffany I in one of those like not suit some show like that. Yeah he's also in in the in the show his character Zach. That will be the governor of California. Oh He's a producer on the show. I T wants to people. Watch the tiffany thesis. She is in talks to comeback. They're finalizing allies in her schedule as well so television is a lot this weekend. You've got jeopardy you've got Net flicks the series medical police. Also also the series premiere of Aj Aj and the Queen. You've got a lot of football going down because they've got to make some Divisional playoffs this weekend and on. HBO The premiere of the outsider. And if you're you're into awards because it is award season Taye Diggs will be hosting the twenty fifth annual critics choice awards on Sunday. We'll Elvis Duran. I love musicals. Cold and flu season is here. But that doesn't mean it has to slow your family down. That's because clorox disinfecting wipes kills ninety nine point nine percent of germs to help keep your family happy and healthy so stock up on clorox disinfecting products US directed on hard non-porous surfaces guys. How are Ya go morning? I just love you guys. You guys are my favorites brody. Which means brody was wrong? Brodie remember the last time I went to the bathroom. And the ALFALFA show Elvis Duran in the morning show so I'm really digging that meet stick with just eight right. I got a little bit between the teeth. Some meat stick between. Thanks normally I have flaws sticks and I don't have any flaw stick. So this is killing me. Having a meek stick but during your teeth chimerical elvis all about froggy froggy. You're very intrigued with my homosexuality. I think you should explore that a little more. I tried to get you know. Listen you told me before that you didn't want to do anything with me before the because you're my brother I don't I don't want to go that with weird where I come from. That's normal but you're not from North Carolina. Okay so apologies to everyone from North Carolina polluting anyway. Uncle Johnny has a cocktail on the way. Also we have to say goodbye to Anita. She is just an important part of our family. As soon as you can get in here bring legitimacy probably walk in as long as it's legit music. Scary this go around the room producer. Sam What's on in your mind today now my around the room actually is about Anita and it's a reminder just to do good things for people whenever you're able when I was coming in for my interview for the internship turn ship. I got myself so lost that I was far on the other side of the city terrible direction and I called the general number for help and Anita was the person to pick up he. She didn't know me and she stayed on the phone with me the entire time until she made sure I knew where I was going. It must have been a seven minute conversation and I came in and I thank turn turn. She's probably a large part of the reason. I'm even here today. I'll never forget that I love you so much. Thank you for being amazing to a stranger. what's on your mind wind today scary two things first of all happy birthday to my mother. Roseanne scary invents in Brooklyn. I love you mom. Mommy and secondly I didn't. I can't believe that I'm the last person. Listen to know that. Why corn corn flakes were invented? Google these words why were cornflakes invented Dr Kellogg years ago set up an institution itution health institution upstate New York and not only was it meant to help people cleanse their systems in their bowels and their intestines from impurities go fuck cornflakes would do that but also They thought that would stop people from masturbating. Yeah I do it while eating my cornflakes to me rev me up it is restored. There's actually a movie out about it starring What's his Matthew Broderick? Yes I don't want to hand jam if you know what I'm saying. Thank you okay. But there's it's supposed to make you stop correct and the more they don't have the urge more eight. The moral opposites no taste to cornflakes. They're just like a rooster on the cover. You Know Gandhi what. I need to know why people are so triggered by all things horoscope because I posted something on my instagram story yesterday. That said Aries Leo Sagittarius Capricorn and. They're toasting cheers knowing their their superior. You're you're signed. A lot of people were like. Yeah we are my God but the people who I left off of that list and it wasn't even mine. I found it somewhere else have been. Hey deeming me saying how dare you leave me out. One one of those people was Sam. News Virgos are awesome. I wanted people so triggered by the horoscope because people are out of their minds every one of our interns at our phone screen in this before every time someone asked me. Hey Elvis what sign are you on the Leo. No-go yeah what do you mean. Oh no you're fine. I know it was people just need to be triggered. What's up Danielle? Would like to thank froggy this morning. Some Kellogg's no one ever Larry. So don't we got the Peleton bike. FROGGY has it as well and I love it. The problem is is that the see it when I get off of it. My lady parts are numb. I can't fail them. They're like it's so weird. So froggy told me about this e that's GonNa fix it. He said it's fixed. His wife is lady parts and I just wanted to Amazon. So thank you froggy very welcome so for those who have numb lady parts of their right on the Peleton. She killed through froggy. We could beat it with a frying pan. You wouldn't feel anything I'm telling you. I got off last night. I didn't even know I had a lady there. You Go. I told my husband honey. I can't feel it anymore. Did you to make sure it was still there. Yeah I felt around. It was still clearly eating cornflakes loud. They may I have please. I love cornflake so Anita Anita has been at the front desk for so many two years and she's been a part of family for so many years and now she's decided to get a life have eight ladies and gentlemen. I welcome the one and only from the front desk of Media Anita by the Kelloggs cornflakes kill take me back. That's old school. Yes I knew you you when you worked at what was light. FM owned by a different company in a different building. That's right and then you came to join us now. How many years ago was that? That was twelve years ago. Elvis yes been total. I've been here. Nineteen and a half years told long journey. What an amazing journey and it wasn't just the free food either cool? Yeah exactly. I loved everything about it. Because you've been amazing to me and I will always be amazing to you whenever you need anything. We'll always be here for you. They've got many nays many nicknames but a lot of people call me the I- I heart and I hope I always will be that the the high the heart and that's what I would like to always. You're the heart. He's so most people listen to our radio station every day or listen to our podcast and they forget to remember that this is a company and it. It's a it's a business it's a it's an. It's an office building with doors and bathrooms and sexy not. We don't have secretaries assistance and stuff stuff like copy machines so we when you come in. I don't know when you when you come in to do business at IHEART. The first stop is the front desk and Anita has always been in on the Anita thrown raining court and she's always the first impression you get when you walk into this place in so this this isn't just like working in some office building. This this place has a heart you want it all starts with Anita thank you so much. L. That's amazing. Thank you so much I mean I have been shown such great appreciation like I've always been treated well always been treated like a queen here. Always these last few weeks has been almost overwhelming. Oh man I mean I just I still. Sometimes I say I don't want to minimize but I said my God I come in and I smile. I try to be nice to everybody but the love that I've gotten in return I I can't make the connection to it. It's all coming so thank you so much I mean it's been a pleasure. I love being good to people. I love trying to represent the company in the best way A.. And myself and my mom said no matter. What's going on in your life? Always put your best foot forward. Always bring your best or whatever you do always be kind to people. And that's what I live by and I I my mom's been gone awhile now but I think she'd be very proud of me as your today. I think I did alright. I always when when you hear why we love her. Go ahead always judge artists and whether or not the artist is nice whether they stop at the front desk and talk to her so if an artist like just bypasses sir and doesn't have a conversation with our when they leave. I go home. I got an attitude a little list. That's the people that everybody's been busy. Yeah what's up froggy. I just want to say every. Hey and the every single time that I come into that building and I'm not there very often but when I am there is always one of the very things things I know. I must do and must stop stop by the front desk and see Anita and she makes me feel like. She's so happy to see me every single time. I just want to say I love you. You make my day every time I see you on your just the sweetest person to encounter. Thank you for all you do appreciate that. I do a lot of a seem to love to see you. froggy she he really does. She really likes Ghandi so Anita made me feel so good when I came here I met you guys. I was really nervous because obviously there was a lot going on in my life changing jobs potentially and you're the first person that I encountered when I walked in here and you made me feel so happy and can you give me compliments and you made me feel comfortable and you set the ball rolling down the right path and I love you for it and I thought this is the right place. Women's seeing that makes me feel feel really good. 'cause I especially like with new interns coming in. I know they're nervous. They're you know feeling uncomfortable out of sorts and always WanNa make them feel welcome and know now is going to be okay. We're all nice here you know. And they're going to have a good experience. So you're what you're hearing here is real deal. Anita this is not a script this it sounds it sounds. It's almost too good to be true so I wanna say something to them. I don't want to embarrass you but I do know for a fact that every two weeks we we get paid we food. I heart believe it or not. They still have money and I know that every every two weeks a large chunk of what you get you send out to others who are in need and who needs some Lovin who needed Who are out there? Trying to live their dream. They just can't find the footing and you help them find that we we know you do that and I know that you don't want anyone to know you do that. You keep it secret but I wanted to bring it out loud because I want everyone to use any to as an example on many different levels and how to live your life so when you leave the IHEART IHEART family to go out into the cold cruel world. You'll be coming back in time to really well. That's what are you planning on doing with your time. Now that you are going to have more time out in the real world well I WANNA WANNA I wanNA travel some. I WANNA go back to Paris I want to go to Hawaii. I WanNa go on some cruises. I want to go to Nashville Tennessee. 'cause I love country music and it's something I've always wanted to do and it's not that it's unattainable. I just never really had the time to do it so now I have time time to do. These things L.. I want to tell a story. Oh Yeah so you bought up me trying to help people and I'm in the midst of doing some things right now. I always Sam because I believe that that we our brother's keeper and we should try to help people when we can and I believe it all comes back. It has in many many ways and sometimes it doesn't always come. I'm back to who you think it might come back from so I always try to give and put out there and I've been so blessed in return but the one time I ever accident any money I've always done on my own with my paycheck and And I never asked any money never asked for any help and the one time did go fund me And I asked for I think it was Three thousand dollars. 'cause I was really broke and Somebody started off with fifty dollars and Elvis Duran finished off with two thousand five hundred dollars. It was from me. That's that was the end of that. Just shut down. Elvis has a clean desk yet. uh-huh Elvis and I want to thank you. I didn't want to embarrass you but I just want to let everybody know who everybody knows anyway. But how wonderful your heart is. And I can't thank you enough of that. We'll thank you need. It looks like you so I'll be back before you know it. He got just retired for the party. Probably be so not quite sure what this means so anita you travel. Yeah when you'RE GONNA go to Paris Bente Paris back again when you're taking with you well me and my husband will go and I've known yeah all right so the morning show wants to do a few things for you saw. We would like to fly you and Rodney round trip first class to Paris. Whenever you're ready to go all Anita we would like to send you Rodney First Class Round trip to Nashville? Whenever you're ready to go anita we would like to send you on a Norwegian cruise? Whenever you're ready to go you WANNA go Anita Anita Anita? There's more we would like there are things you wanna fill in the blanks with. Maybe you want to get a hotel and some of these places we also WanNa give you ten thousand dollars to spend any way. Oh you want so whenever you go. You don't spend the weekend at the bus terminal because they love you Out into your world of travel if you want to take the money and send it to friends who are in need you spin it any way you want because we want you to get. There's no way we could pay you. The God bless you thank you and keep in wonderful and and know that I will be way sooner than you think so. God bless you all I love love you all. Thank you for loving me. She said she's going to do fill INS. They're going to be calling you every day. Permanent Person attending thanked the crews and the the the Perez trip in the Nashville have to all be taken in the next seven days in that lab. So let me tell you if you're lucky as we are to have an anita in your life you're blessed. We love you need to do. And by the way if you wanna a follow Anita on her travels. She is now officially on Instagram Scipio. It's Anita Sei API at Anita. Very clever wasn't that funny. No one's been on the switchboard for eleven minutes. Now I hate for them to Kenya on your last day. Sir Love I love Anita Baker. Stay she'll be back to understand. He's got to travel now a lot of trouble. We love our anita miss because whenever she's Alan there's somebody up there on the first thing I say is where is she. Never the thing johnny cartels on the way to celebrate yet. Also I got to play some Justin Bieber for you because I'm so excited his song Yummy I love it. Have you done the yummy dance yet. Now what's your deal back after this good morning blocked all control of the rain in the morning. WW formerly weight watchers has launched their most customized program ever join ww today and unlock your customized weight. Loss plan that can make losing weight easier go do ww W. dot com and join today with the wwe triple play offer ends January thirteenth purchase required restrictions. Apply so much to get to here. We got caught with uncle. Johnny get some sound I keep I keep calling Garrett Gavin. I don't nothing of Gavin and on me I don't even give it is I know a Gavin but I'm not thinking about her Gavin close. We actually spent Christmas Mus in Italy with a guy named Garrett. Did you think of me. No but uncle Johnny Calling Gavin and we and we and we kept making fun of his name is now. I'm calling him. I did it once thanks. I know you did it for twenty five times I. It's okay so we gotta get some drinks out of Michael Johnny Way to sober for my liking. Also I wanNA play Klay Yummy. I'm so happy that a justin bieber is breaking all sorts of records with this song. This week I mean it was as they say in Rodeo. The most added Song and radio. This week I mean it just to hear that just going to come out with some new music and get a tour we're going to share. He's got he's claiming we've got that Danielle's report. Where do you WANNA start straight nate? Come on sound and by the way. Also thank you to everyone who who's texting in a loving loving Our Anita as we bid her farewell. She is a lovely lady. We should all be more like Anita. I just walked by to give her a hug. Because I didn't get to because of where I sit in here and couldn't reach her and she. She was crying like all the way crying. She said I cannot believe what just happened. So amazing scaring her brand new instagram account. Just quadrupled follow her S. C. I P. DOT COM. Anita's give you Sei pyeho Anita scuitto. Let's get into sound Garett. What's going all right? So we'll Smith. He's out promoting bad boys for life that is in theaters today and stop the tonight show and him Jimmy Fallon they wrapped will Smith's career. Here's a little clip of it in every Monday on the Silky. Thank I guess All right let's talk a little sports. How about cricket so a British player was playing cricket? And if you're familiar it's kind of like baseball but not combined with golf. Baseball baseball player was hitting the growing three times during a game. And this is the third time and the announcer started laughing at fortunately is the third time this evening. Yeah he might not get out from. This is not a good shot partners looking quite concerned doc. Laughing at the guy three times in a game hitting the ball three times no once is enough all right so it's new music. Friday the Elvis. You have your Elvis Duran new music Friday on iheartradio. This is a playlist. We're going to update every Friday for you because we always play new music. Everyone's like what's that song you played. You could check it out iheartradio. Let's start with this halls. You just put out a new song you should be said. It's a little country little dancey and sounds like very halls in Jersey. You further is that they could be allegedly. It's about a one G. He eats in the song and she goes. I'm glad I didn't have your babies. Oh Go Selena Gomez. She has a new album out to did a big release right here on Iheartradio last night and put out new song called rare way Jillian michaels. Yes she helped. Write the album by the way also in the playlist This comes from your best assistant. Andrew Andrew Caroline Paul Paul check. This is called so hot. You're hurting my feelings. Carolina Politics Yes so heart. You're hurting my feelings. Eh Song about our very own nate. All Right Mack Miller. We learned that he his family is putting out an album of music. He was working on before he passed away. This is the first song from that album. It's called good news on Morning like you done Interesting from yeah. Different different VIBE. From Mac Miller Lisa Keith put this out. Yesterday it's called underdog a lot of people are in it. Avoid straightened method single. Those waiting on your own sons on Sir. My goal would a great song keys an underdog you far. This is my favorite one. There you go on a group of has a song called the leader Nineteen Ninety-four all right and then from the birds of prey soundtrack. Meghan stallion and normany. This is diamonds cakes. Shoot a bit. But I'll tell you real twisty the speed this much there. She has got some great music. Today yes listen. Where working here on this again? Elvis Duran new music Friday on iheartradio Elvis Duran New Music Friday on iheartradio. Yes so wild every Friday. We'll update it for you so you don't have have to D M S. Where what was that song we played? You can always check it iheartradio. Thank you. You're welcome you'RE GONNA marry. We're GONNA play Yummy in a few minutes. I need cocktails. Okay Johnny Uncle Johnny. He is over two time for on Johnny. All right so what what are you. What are you I gotta start off the New Year the roaring twenties my mother was born in one hundred years ago? Right and and I decided it would be a Manhattan cocktail right. And that's what I'm making it. We're going to start off the do in Manhattan with a Manhattan all right. Let's give you some roaring twenties music this music. That was hot. When you're going into the newry yes I know it's a new roaring twenty three warring warring into the twenty nine? I'm going to get Allan Sir. Mix them in the top line of legal gambling in Manhattan. I wish I could drink point. I'm going to have a sip of one. Johnny I gotTa be responsible today just today. Do you ever drink man. And it is so Manhattan you got some Bourbon or yes well. It's bourbon microphone uncle Johnny into the microphone. Bourbon whiskey you usually. If you're making team won it would be like an ounce and a half it's just bidders in there as well and then we have orange bidders a splash of orange bidders and then a little red vermouth and you stir don't shake it and I have a Black Cherries from Italy which I got when I was there. No friend of mine told me about it. And and that's what's in knits and they're delicious sip one while you're telling uncle John Okay all right. Johnny jokes the people like he's younger. Donna Commission we. I need to my joke. STRONG-SMELLING L. and I'm very nervous Johnny. I'm Johnny these are the perfect Manhattan glasses by the way. And you'll see pictures up at Elvis Duran show. Oh that's GONNA shame. where's my rowing after? Twenty saying we're drinking some Manhattan potent. Now they're supposed to be very strong. Venue upped for my palate. Thank you under those. We'll do you johnny. That's very good. I like that a lot cherry. Yes Oh yes I said. It's very Nice Janis. Yeah for your roaring twenties jokes. Yes okay here we go all right here. We go for the jokes of two twenty twenty twenty twenty twenty yes. That's it okay. It's so cold. Hi Paul it's so cold scary. Scarlet breath freezes before it reaches anyone Pittsburgh they sell cold. How cold is it so cold? Danielle is enabled to spoil the ending of TV shows. It's so cold it's so cold. Gandhi is putting coal in her bomb. Real real color in your okay so cold so cold my teeth chattering on my night table. Okay so it's so cold for a pair of gloves. Brodie admitted he was wrong about something. he was getting guards but he admitted he was wrong about sentence so we got a free pair with right. I have no idea what that means. I really have no frigging clue what that could possibly make. But anyway what's next all right. It's so cold. Oh cold cold. Elvis was stiff in front of a woman. The good so cold so cold nate. I was shivering so hard we thought he was having another stroke. Johnny Jackson. Let's say you know. Some of them were great limited unusual. Now you have. You have a better record today. Congratulate go thank you so much. Those Black Cherries are amazing for those. And you won't be able to drink just took someone like no Polish off. Yeah Yeah I love Manhattan Johnny. I got to tell you this is a fantastic Manhattan. I've never had one this early in the morning. Thank you I know if you're drinking a drink named if your favorite city aww borrow let's get into the Daniel report. Danielle all right so Janis. It's so cold royal family. It is getting heated. Apparently Prince Harry came out with that statement about leaving the family earlier than the Queen wanted him to. She told him not to do it. He he did it anyway. Sources are saying. They're in panic mode over there and he could be punished. How we don't know spanking spanking what do you do? I mean I was thinking earlier. They behead them they'd say still be severe them up in the Tower of London Bridge Tower. Go ahead and say they don't do that anymore. But okay a speaking of the royal family. You know Madame. So's should have a royal joust. Yes matter they bring him here. We'll put him at medieval times and they can house. Madame Toussaud's Wax Museum in London. They have an exhibit of the Royal Family on one side of the king and queen is Kate Middleton and of course Prince William on the other side was was Prince Harry and Meghan but they have moved them tabled into another part of their hanging out like in a timeout. PUT THEM BY BTS Cardi V. Brad Pitt says that Bradley Cooper is the person who helped him with his sobriety. He said in an event in Hollywood. I got sober because of this guy in every day has been happier ever since. That's pretty cool. There is a rumor that a jaw remake is in the works that would be fought. While wouldn't be fun but Larry's it would be. I still can't swim in the ocean because of the first jars that came up fifty thousand years ago. You know this would be even worse. You know. They'll make this unless they shark NATO and then forget about it but I don't think it'll be like that and everybody donates excited about this the HBO Docu Series Mic. Millions is about the McDonald's monopoly -opoly game and how it was rigged between nineteen ninety five to two thousand one premieres February third on. HBO and they are saying that. That's what happened that this is guy who was in charge of all these pieces while giving the winning pieces to people and they won the money and it was like gangsters and psychics and Strip club owners and confict perfect cool. Yeah so it's GonNa be good coming out and February seventh so get ready for that on. HBO Third. I'm sorry February third. How do we get ready for that? I always told us to get ready. The mind my rights. They get ready. Get excited already prepare the couch birthday. I'm very extensive line. uh-huh Friday tonight is jeopardy. But it's not the greatest of all time that will continue on Tuesday and then if they need another one after that they'll give us another one. Also Netflix gives you the series premiere of Medical Police. You've got Aj and the queen on net flicks. There's a lot of football weekend. We know that you want you can watch watch the critics choice awards and HBO gives you the series Premiere of the outside. Thank you my Danielle Right I want to say. Congratulations to my Buddy Justin Bieber. He released his Song Yummy this week. And it's very important to note that it was the most added song across the country on radio station. Number One added. This week is yummy weekend with the Justin Bieber and Yummy. Yeah you got that John Young Uh they stand on ice. Stay on the side. In number wine mecom Mariah Carey ways sunset Ghana. It back. You got I'm sitting Kimmy on. There is both control myself from compromised. You're incriminating notice. Notice guys running applies skill. Set back when you're young Bert. uh-huh the covenant. Lambeau mom away drew house slippers on. What a smile Alabama? uh-huh they wait. I'm so excited to hear more from Justin Bieber this year. Excellent thank you that is yummy. Congratulations Justin being a big first week. Out Hey what do you want to. I one sip of Manhattan. That uncle Johnny hammered. Stop it strong. You look great off because you had three cents Daniel. You Wanna eat my cherry now. I I love. That's one of the reasons I love ordering Manhattan's they they come with that Cherry. Yeah I always that little black shirt love it. There's no data from Italy. It says it but the Bible says the original American Cherry. Maybe this is the original because we're used to those neon colored red ones. These are real deal called. Look sorrow a deliverer. Pleasure called look cool gotta take a break. We'll be back let's go. Let's go drink and eighth part of today's show Elvis Duran on demand free show posted every day. Search Elvis Duran on demand only on iheartradio APP Elvis Duran and the morning shell L. Elvis stories in the morning show. Hey Andrew how are you this morning good how are you doing okay. Hey let me tell you a little story about Andrew. He learned recently. He wasn't being retained because of his company merging with another company. But about a month ago. You found out right yes so you went for your first interview for a new job today. How nerve wracking was that? And how did you do I think it was pretty good. It was really nerve wracking I kind of felt like I mean I wanna jinx anything but taught like kind of like I hope I will get the job. We'll wait okay. Well let's let's talk about that. Let's let's call it what it is did you. Do you feel like you did really well all in the interview very electric. I guess you could say look look even if there is a there is a chance. Even if you don't get this position listen you know that you went in and you did your best and you feel like there's electric city and you never know why you would or would not be hired by them but good for you as long as you've walked out feeling good but isn't a job you really want. I yes it is actually. I've been looking for this position this type of position for a long time now and I kind of fell into my lap. I applied to it. Just kinda called me. Good that's a good. It was I heart media because we know some people I wish all right. We'll good a lot of people are going through this. Because at the end of the year the end of two thousand nine hundred nine a lot of companies to merge mergers like yours or through whatever you know downsizing whatever reasons they let people go not never really figured out why they have to let people go during the holidays they say it's because of the fiscal year is between January to December. Whatever I dunno let people go right before summer then go out and play and get Tan? Well Andrew. Best Luck to you. Thank you worry about to say. I was actually talking to one of my other. Co Workers who got not who you're non retained as well and he said why don't you just let me go. At the end of the beginning of summer I'll take the weekend the summer off and go to the beach and I. I wish I could do that. Florida view that you'd be a beach palm sit. There are look Andrew all the best to you and anyone and everyone. WHO's in the same position as Andrew? Right now all the best to you and Just go out there and do your best but do the things you love. It sounds like this is a job. You Really Really WanNa follow Andrew so good for you on that That level as well thank you all right take care of there you go. Yeah Good luck absolutely. Hey we're all going to be in that position. One day. Yeah I already did. I already went downstairs I talked. Hr about this. And I said listen I just want you to know when it's my time I'm taking my own crap outta there. You go as an. I'm GONNA pack the boxes and I got too much crap on my desk that you are not packing it up. I'm going to pack it off. But she started cracking up laughing. I go this is the to date. I said it and I got bad news for you. You're not going anywhere anytime soon and I got more bad news for the amount of crap you've got to get out of here. You need a higher moving company. Why they won't fire me GonNa fire me because there's so much crap though like forget it? It's true it would take. It would take years to get out of this bill crowd. They can't find me to every every piece of furniture my office. That's all mine. Artwork is it's GonNa take them years half the computers. Pewter thismorningshow uses all the camera equipment. It's all my when I leave. I mean lights out the transmitter on the Empire State Building Mine. The moving truck true all the computers that that serve all the music on iheartradio music. It's all mine so you know if you turn on iheartradio and there's no music it's they fired me anyway. West speaking of getting fired. I thought about this long and hard recently. I don't have a backup plan and I don't know who needs to live off your your your your Richard. You're gonNA say just moved to a farm and live off the land. I was like yeah right. I would do that. He's not going to do that. I don't know how to do it now. It sounds glamorous. What did you just said there is breaking news? That Meghan Markle is returning to Canada alone okay. They let their kids their weight. So she's going back to get. We knew she was going back in Canada. And then Prince Harry Breaking News Brody. Look it up the loan in tears okay. Well I'm sure they're going through some crap out there Harry. Stunts are with a shocking ultimatum. Well I didn't know that this is breaking news right. Yeah shelter. Ni- Ronco Kensington Palace was freaked out sending an official letter to the Canadian airline and demanding that they blocked the press from approaching the duchess left. Look you know what. They're under a lot of scrutiny. Right now I I. It's all heated up of sure. I'm sure emotions are run and hide running hot. You know what. Here's what may I comment. Who if anyone gives of rat's ass royalty in the united in London in England it it it's been in place for several years now as you may know history and look you know? Every couple of years. The the monarchy tries is to update and try and tries to merge into more modern ways of thinking. It's difficult for the royalty to do that because they're royalty for a reason they want them to be royals they they depend on them to go by protocol in the history of of how they've always done things so when a Prince Harry says I want my own life you know there's going to be backlash and a lot of people who live in England are very mad at them of course because it's tradition and it's you know they look to the monarchy four this tradition tradition so when people try to break that tradition is kind of A. Why do we even have A? What do we have a queen? Why do we have a palace? Your looked as the devil. It's kind of like though. Oh being born into a sort of prison when you look at the rules that they have to abide by in the way that they have to live their lives. If you're not in line to get that crown I would bounce to. Oh yeah see I I probably would too. It depends on what you want but you can still remain heavily heavily in support of the Queen and the monarchy and do your duties and you can actually find a life for you there. If that's what you choose to do there is a lie for you can do a lot of great for the country and the people in the world but is it. What what you want to do in your life? Probably not you know. I don't know I looked up. How many people have abdicated and it says thirty six royals rile since one thousand nine hundred so well that is a lot? What are they doing over there? So look I I love the royalty system. I think so but I wasn't born into it because they switched me at birth. Yeah I think you have a case. There they had to wear pantyhose. That would be for me. I would quit rushing death reason I would want to do it. I'll Alan wintermute. Colored Nail Polish. No frigging way. But what about the rule when the queen's on eating everybody's nuts when the queens starts eating you may start eating and when the queen's tops eating that means you better stuff at your face. It reminds me of the story that Gandhi told once. You're eating dinner with your boyfriend and you just made the comment uh-huh I'm getting stuff right. Oh this just so I have a problem where I will continue to eat. I'll say I'm full and I keep eating until I make myself uncomfortable and can't move and have like a cramp so I told him. Stop letting me do this all right. So we're sitting eating the other day and I said I'm stuff he just took my knife out of my hand piece of meat all the way he took it out of your hand. He said we're GONNA put this over here because the queen stopped eating. Another thing from Downton Abbey is when the queen gene is around the Big Table having dinner conversation her left everyone else around the table. Almost everyone H- should be having general conversation with the person to their left. Of course the person next to the queen they talk into but when she turns to talk to the person with everyone else pardon me turned out. They turned to the rice. But if you're sitting next to the Queen who do you talk to because because everyone else has left and you're only left Queen Elizabeth and she's looking at. You're GONNA talk to her hair. Yeah I know but some people do love having having the monarchy and this royal family with those rules it really kind of sets the pace. You don't do anything though. Aren't they just kind of like a charity. But they're not like they don't under the government stuff. Do they still. The Queenstown meets with Prime Minister. Every week right leased one or sheets but sometimes the government uses the queen to be the an advocate at an advocate for them to make phone calls and you get favorites. Plus they open up grocery stores and cutting ribbons William and Prince. Harry were both in the military like academia. Yeah absolutely you'd think I'd know all this living with Brett but I don't really because he has lived you know he's lived in the states. It's longer than he lived in the UK. Now my husband I find him to be royalty. He's T's Chelsea to me me too on on the Throne Martin and there you have it so if you hear any more breaking news about tears being shed and let us know. Yeah because some of us are kind of curious about talk to Elvis Duran in the morning. Show me up every morning. Aw and keeping keeping all royal there's I I don't know if you watched the crown. Crown was never watched any of the crown on my bucket list. I love the crown anyway. I went to the bookstore the other day and did there's actually The book the crown which is sort of Sort of a side by side peace whatever apiece supplement. Whatever piece read it because you like the crown anyway it adds to all the stories that are in the crown anyway? See that if you're in the books books are more than decoration. You can actually read a book. You know strange offset. That was so weird. So we're sitting here doing the show and then Gondola Substances says. There was a report of an active shooter. Oh God none again coming in of Tampa. But they're saying that it was not what they thought it was right so initially it was saying active shooter then. The reports came out saying shots were not fired. It was somebody on the base with a gun and police in Tampa happened in Tampa Have not responded to it. It's so far just military responding to it but that the lockdown has been lifted so as we get more details will okay and uncle. Johnny I gotTa Tell You. I only had one sip of the Manhattan that you made it it through me through me out the window. I will just mention strong. There were a little too strong which is big lax and enjoy it. It'd it'd be very fabulous experience victims. Yes and drink responsibly. Enjoy it had one SIP. I mean how more responsible ultimate responsibility would be no simps- yeah so I just enjoyed hall absence. Well there's they're saying that if you don't want to have a dry dry January which is the term for it. I forgot what it was it. You can have A damp January. We severely cut back on your drinking so so you don't have to say completely no drinking but reserve drinking for just the weekends and maybe just one drink. Yeah for dinner some stuff like that. So why go to the extreme of no drinking we can just have one drink. Yes theorist remember this if five or six years ago we tried this I you tried it. How workout for well? I wouldn't a month I didn't okay. You did yeah. I needed to prove to myself. Tuck you do it just in case I don't know and I was fine but I prefer having a cocktail so we're calling it a damp January. Can we call it. Voiced moist say. That were wrong Hasert Moist. We're having a moist January. Unless you're GONNA have cupcakes. That's not good. Yeah the three things you need to know. Gandhi what's going on right now. Seeing the weather reports in North Texas on my family in North Dallas seen you know they are bracing for winds in excess of seventy miles per hour. Hail the size of Golf Ball and even possible tornadoes. Apparently there's this big powerful storm system moving toward the Dallas Fort Worth area and these storms are expected to start developing around noon. Continue throughout the day. Oklahoma Arkansas and Louisiana could be affected as well Puerto Rico hoping to restore store power to all of its residents by the weekend. A lot of people are actually still sleeping outside. They've taken out mattresses blankets tents. Whatever they can because the structural damage is so bad that even some of the aftershocks this could knock down the houses people are actually sleeping outside right now? Redcross Dot Org to donate then finally Amazon Alexa now becoming a crime stopper. Sorry if I just woke everybody's buddies up but apparently one of them was installed in an elderly person's room at an assisted living facility in Florida and had a camera as well well. The camera alerted the person's family that somebody was breaking in and stealing his stuff and the thief was caught. So that's great. Wow One of my favorite diem rarely ever look at. DM's on instagram. But today for some the reason I did we were talking earlier about growth show. My feet are killing. Means they shape things and they pull things off people's feet to he's not only did I watch my feet killing me. I ate japodlay Dafur murderer. I'm calling the possible. I was hungry so I rolled rolled into the grocery store. And there's nothing I wanted to eat so let me go to poly. I've never been to in my life. I've never been I couldn't figure it out to order from right to left you. Start with your your meat. Then you figure out where you want it then what else you want added to it was it was like Oh get keeps us. Give me like a menu of things that are already. The the recipe is prepared. Subway food in diamond. Is there almost every day. Diamond lives in Japan. Is it weird that I've never been to. Ah Yes interesting. Johnny's been to one. Have you been to one scary. Absolutely and in fact they have these new health polls they have like you can get the whole thirty bowl. You can get a Paleo bowl. I didn't see that. Oh no you on the APP. It's much easier order on the APP. There's an APP or go to the website. If your restaurant has an APP is a bit confusing to me. I'm used to going in either go into a grocery store buying what I need. Go into a restaurant and ordering what. It's already figured out the recipe your bowl. I don't want to build my ball but it sounds like a great concept. It's great of it now. Isn't she pulled from time to time. They've been issues and things have happened but there okay. Now I'm GonNa go in again today. I'M GONNA try it it. It just makes me anxious to do hearings on a little bit. You need a chaperone. It'd be great to have someone hold my hand every looked really fresh and good. So I'm not trying to take anything away. Man I I want to try to polling if you really want to stress out to staff get a case of DEA. It's not on the menu but they'll make it for you but they make getting you have to go to the end and come back when it's done and that's a good way too many instructions to follow it all right. I'm GonNa try it again today. A report back Monday. Okay Elvis when I'm having sex is interesting about. Please don't turn the lights on and see my stomach. I'm going to go home and stuff. My cabbage naked fraud. It wasn't even drunk Gandhi. I just want to put out there. That forgiveness is not one of my stronger traits story your day different strand Iran in the morning. Show guys it's froggy. We all know bedtime battle for both you and your kids for instance. My son used to struggle to fall asleep or fortunately we discovered vicks peers. Here's these kids. Melatonin Gumy's help them fall asleep naturally by peers. Z's kids in stores near you Elvis. Randy Elvis Duran. Dan Phone TAP. Alright scary what's it all about today. Okay so A.. Nina and Anna. Marie are two of the receptionists at the Front Desk of out business office and they spend all day answering during business calls for several of our radio stations. Now sometimes listeners trying to win radio station contests Google wrong context number and call them them by mistake so I thought it would be hilarious to phone tap both Anita and Annemarie off front desk and pretend to be one of those listeners. There's trying to win a radio okay. We're GONNA mess with Anita. Today's don't was listening to you. What happened I win the tickets number? What station retrial? Each trying to reach for Jingle ball tickets. Okay so this is the wrong number. It's eight hundred two four two young young one zero zero. What call her my though? I don't know the number. Do they get the winner. Go to call could you could you could you for now iheartmedia my number one hundred. aww Yes my one hundred. Okay this is you got number you need is eight eight hundred eighty eight. I eight hundred nine eight eight hundred eight hundred eighty eight hundred to fourteen. My number be counted from this number now. But aren't you part of that station. This the business line. That's just not the studio line but your business okay. You have a good day iheartmedia. Hi Hung up on. Did they make it to one hundred yet. This is the place of business. I don't have confidence. I understand. I understand miss not know. Oh you tragically in Games. I don't have time to play games trying to participate contest. Trying to debut and eight hundred number you called it and it's busy that's because other people are calling iheartmedia to file a complaint. Okay okay the guy said the conscious was over and I missed it will. You're calling the wrong number number. Two begin with no but I was in. I had a place in line on the phone and they didn't answer them number. Sixty three numbers sixty four. I usually get. This is the wrong number. I was get you need to call the number the time that that happened. The Guy said it was over in the next hour. Okay well. I'm sorry I don't know what I don't. What saying tickets? I don't sorry you would have to call in and win the tickets station your station right the business line. This is not the station and what time of the tickets I don't know they don't tell me when they're giving them away they they they don't give that information out that they don't give that information out to anybody GONNA talk to. I need to talk to somebody. You could speak to someone in promotions well. I'm trying to win this for my brother. I can transfer hospital. Yeah Yeah I mean I I really don't know what to tell you to like all expensive on stub hub. I can't afford them. I'm sorry I don't know what to tell you. Listen I'm desperate threat. Could you please help number back to win tickets okay. The only person that I'm speaking Skillman you get busy. Signals ringing and ringing and ringing allow IHEART media filed complaints calling people. Keep telling me when these tickets to do what your life instead of playing games like. This is my brother's complaint. Really what do you want to file a complaint talk with you. What's your name? Don't worry about my name. I'm not giving you my name. You're crazy what's your name. You are crazy. I'm not giving you my name. You only a pair of tickets. Idaho you any only tickets. Because I lost out on the contest it was done fairly demon. You have nothing else to do but call this station and play Games on trying to play the game of trying to play the contents against the show. Let's none of Your Business. You've actually check it. You could sell me not to give out to you so much. This was the secret line to get in sir. This there is no secret lines. The secret nugget. Clandestine work here. Listen you personally listen sir. You've caught the about ten times already and I'm really tired of it. This is a place of business they tried to be nice to you. You will not accept my kindness and I have a job to do jingle ball tickets okay. You're just being absolutely ruled like now and I will not tolerate elevated. It's scary. You've been tapped. Aw Sorry you've got to be a Composure that's why you other President First Impressions you get calls like this all day all day long. Aw All day long scary us so sorry the idea for a phone TAP NELLIE STRAND DOT com click on the phone. TAP TAP. TAP TAP was true. Recorded with permission. Granted the Durand phone tap on Elvis Duran and the morning show but Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. Aw this is Chelsea Handler Taylor slip. Hey what's going on this Brennan from panic at the disco listening to Elvis Duran Duran and the morning show. There's no single angle. Perfect bowl of OATMEAL. I like my sweet. You might like your savory but when you start with whole grain quaker oats. There's your perfect ball and that's what matters look for quaker. Oats instant in quaker oatmeal and quaker OATMEAL Cups. QUAKER OATS OUR OATS. Your creation. Hello I'm comedian and writer so feel Alexandra salutations. It's on comedian. and Co host of the daily Beast Miles Gray and where the host of a brand new podcast called four twenty day fiance a podcast that features an elevated evaded gushing of our favorite reality show ninety fiance and all of its various iterations. Now this is one of our favorites shows so so we figured who better than us to walk our listeners every week through this messy delicious. Show now this podcast is fifty percent recap and fifty percent accent game show and one hundred percent tuition trauma we give and take away points from all of the characters. I'm sorry real oh people yeah or cast members and we ourselves sometimes get points given and taken away and sometimes you can be ooh behavior can be so terrible or Unin retaining or just your takes can be so bad that you can get sent to a place called cancel Vania. There's no coming out of there so we got three questions for you. Are you now or have you ever been in a relationship. 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Mystery Particles

A Moment of Science

01:59 min | 1 year ago

Mystery Particles

"Hey, Don, physicist may found a new subatomic particle that doesn't fit into their current theory of particle physics, which is called the standard model. The us a giant particle accelerator? The large Hadron collider in Europe. Now, the researchers used an instrument floating beneath a balloon over and Artika Arctic. Oh, really, yes. Really? The physicists made the discovery with an instrument called the Antarctic impulsive transient antenna or Anita Anita is designed to be carried into the upper atmosphere by a helium balloon and to detect the radio waves that are emitted when high energy cosmic rays from space strike, the Arctic ice sheet. Researchers learn about the properties of cosmic rays by studying these emissions, but what they found was something stranger. What was ago? Well, they found that some of the radio waves they detected weren't from cosmic rays coming directly down from space. Instead, the particles were blasting up from inside of the earth, the strange and unexpect-. Fid phenomenon has been confirmed by different ground-based detector in Antarctica, the particles or neutrinos neutrinos are subatomic particles. That physicists no are produced by the sun and other bodies in space. They're almost transparent other matter and can pass right through earth. Researchers do think that the particles ultimately come from space and that they pass through the earth. But in a twenty eighteen paper a team of American physicists argued that. They couldn't be exactly like neutrinos or any other particle currently known to physics. They remain a mystery. This moment of science comes from Indiana University. I'm Don glass, and I'm Yahya Cassandra.

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#91 Dr. Anita: What Youre Really Good At

OC Talk Radio

45:44 min | 2 years ago

#91 Dr. Anita: What Youre Really Good At

"Welcome everybody's time once again for the next chapter with Charlie hedges as he explores turning the page on his life and your hey charlie ball. It's nice to be here. Talkradio Helen Awoke Muller Listens to the next chapter with Charleena's is where we dissect strategies and tactics tactics used by successful people to make life changes necessary for their meaningful life and their meaningful next chapter and I learned from all of our guests and I hope my listeners to do because it helps us decide what we're going to do in our next chapter not today. We have a really exciting guests because I'm very I'm very excited about the topic and as I've spent some time with Dr Anita our guest I have <hes> <hes> I'm looking forward to this show a lot so my guest is Dr Anita and I hope it pronounce your name correctly polite Wilson correct polite Wilson and she's affectionately known as Dr Anita and Dr Anita's served as an executive executive coach a workshop facilitator organizational development consultant helping people and teams raise their awareness and this is important and what will be talking about and leveraging individual strengths thanks to accelerate organizational performance with over twenty years of experience. She is a scholar practitioner with a deep knowledge. She refuses to call herself an expert. Now we had a long talk about the difference between deep knowledge inexpert but she has deep knowledge in Adult Learning coaching mentoring and implementation of organizational leadership initiatives aligned with the goals and except in objectives of Corporate Government Government and nonprofit entities so with that. Let's bring on Dr Anita Dr Neto welcome to the next chapter with Charlie. Hello Charlie thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited well. I am excited too because you know you spoke to a group of <hes> high level businesswomen e level businesswoman at my wife's group that she runs and she's had for Gosh eight or nine years now called influential women which is all executive executive women and she said you're meshing your message would be perfect for this. Show which makes me even more excited about talking to you and about how you attain success success and using maybe a bit different methodology than we've focused on. I'm such a believer in lifelong learning and you talk about focusing on leveraging your personal strings and I put instead of focusing so much time on improving your non strengths and weaknesses which seems to be a seems to be the habit of organization is let's take a look at what you're not good at and let's that's make you good at that when we could be focusing on an entirely different arena tell me me about well. I am a Gallup certified strengths coach and for those who are not familiar with that. There's a book called strengths finders two point. Oh and I discovered that in a late nineties early to thousands in literally changed my life when I understood what my top-five strengths were but then when I really understood what my top two strengths were it made so much more sense and I think the biggest challenge that leaders have is because they're always looking at the deficit. What do I need to do to make things better with? Do I need to do to get to the next level. Do I need to do the capture the next audience we seem to forget that that does not necessarily apply to people and that if we help people take what they're good at and build upon that we don't need to worry about your opportunity areas I e weaknesses unless it's in the interpersonal development skills. That's my my personal philosophy because if you're always focusing on what's wrong how you ever GonNa feel good about what's right yeah exactly and and it's what you do right is what macy's successful and if you focus on on developing that area or leveraging as you said that area then you're going to be much more successful chessel than spending all your time on some pity any little thing but I like what you said you said something. I'd never heard before you said you said those kinds of improvements may be good for organizations but they're not good for people people that's right and I think a lot of times leaders seemed to forget that organizations are made up of people and to move the Organization for you must move people forward into new people for you really need to focus on what they're already good at. I like to to present the concept of success partnerships for example if I need to put together a presentation for a report and I'm not that good at the research but you are. I'm going to partner with you to help me get the research done so that I can make the presentation. which is what I am good at? Here's the thing before I get started. I'm going to openly acknowledge and this presentation really really benefited from Charlie's expertise and his subject matter knowledge so let's give some appreciate into Charlie. What have I done right there number one? I've brought you in to the forefront and actually made a whole new audience aware of what you can do and so now your expertise is out there as a leader. How cool is that to say? Wow someone acknowledged me in this audience and so now they know what I'm good at so. I don't feel beat up because I'm no good research but I have the good sense to partner with you and give you credit for it. Is You the deal that's perfect. That's that's amazing and and your bill you're building relationship with that person so if you happen to be coaching or mentoring that person it becomes more about that person than it does become about you. Absolutely never relationship is certainly going to grow and the trust level between the two of you is going to increase incredibly absolutely and work gets down to relationships. We forget that yeah. We're going to talk a bit about that and and because I saw you know as I was reading through your materials that communication <hes> was was so important in work does get done with relationships and and so many so many <hes> you know I bring this up and and and I'm I'm an outlier in the twelfth step community in that they believe so much in the program and it's the program that brings about sobriety or the end of drug abuse or whatever it is and I'm all the time telling them that the program is very helpful. It's essential I mean it is so there's nothing wrong with the program and I and I'm strong advocate of the program but what makes the differences relationship absolutely to Houma my accountable to whom can i. WHO CAN I go to if I'm struggling wrestling? Do I trust that person. That's that's what's GonNa bring about change of life. It's that it's that relationship. It's going to bring about change of life. It's not well. I don't want to say it's not the program. The program helps program definitely helps but if you only had program without relationship it would feel and I think in addition to that the most critical relationship that we miss the mark on is the relationship with ourselves. One of my tag lines <hes> for my facebook page is stabilised and keep it real we are blessed has to be a blessing and unless we keep it real with ourselves I we can't keep a real with other people analysts you keep a real then you really don't have a two relationship and so just being real is huge real enough to say what's going on with me. Where's this coming from? How do I deal with it? I don't know how to deal with it. Where can I find someone to be a success partner for me to deal with it? Whatever that is like success partner you know I'm listening to a book right now? On <hes> I rarely listen to audio books especially if they're ten hours long but but I'm listening to the audio book all the Book of freedom and the book talks about two different types of cells the small south and the divine self and the divine self does not mean you're you know you're seeing or and right doing doing all this kind of stuff but the small self is built on ego which is built on the need for self esteem and the need for self importance and ride along with what you're saying if we're focusing on that small self and focusing and that's based on fair veras what causes us to need greater self-esteem or greater self importance and if we can remove that fair and remove that we can we can be ourselves. We're free to be the kind of person you were talking about. That is knows yourself is comfortable with yourself and works in accord with that rather than what other people are expecting absolutely. I've heard this wonderful little acronym for fear false evidence appearing real and I think I think our president has something different podcast. There's little were false evidence appearing real. It's a little word that's got a huge impact. In what causes fear is the unknown so I don't know what's going on regardless of the issue or the situation or the circumstances. There's going to be some fear involved in that when we can step back and again keep a real with ourselves so that we can be real with other people that eliminates the power that fear has over US false evidence appearing real is basically when we start making stories and I hear because we don't know what we don't know soon as we begin to get some knowledge some information some data points then that fair begins a subside you know you you said once again you said a statement quickly that really needs to be focused Kazakhstan and I'm in the middle of of startups and and in the startup community that is such an important statement. You don't know what you don't know and and I it sounds like the. <hes> sound of one handclapping at first but it's not you just do not aware of what you don't know and then when you learn these things you change your entire strategy and all of that seems to work really well together absolutely end just as important as knowing what your strengths are our understanding what your strings are not and that's part of knowing what you don't know. I know I don't know this. That's not a strength. I need to find success partner. Th Really Pretty simple I think we make it harder than so what you mean by leveraging <hes> if you know the areas that you're strong in continue to focus on those the areas that you're not strong in and again unless it's interpersonal skills because as we've already said were gets done to relationships that's not to say we manipulate news people is to say when you have relationships with someone you're more likely to go out of your way for them and they are more likely to go out of their way for you so but when we talk about leveraging our strengths is this is important to know what we're not good at so we've got the initiative. Go go find that success partner that we need and therefore everyone has value. Everyone brings something to the table everyone does. I'm a firm believer in that yeah I have. I have seen that in all the teamwork that I have done in the works with teams that that even the most of the person the lowest regarded person really does have something to bring to the table or the person who really is seen as the biggest irritant on the team one of the examples that I wanNA talk to leaders say now oh now think about negative ned nobody ever wants negative net around but if you've got an important proposal that we're trying to get Paul to accept and I know it and and we think between you and I Charlie that we've got this proposal is just GonNa Knock Paul socks off <hes>. Do we want negative net to look at that. Yes we do. Here's why you and I already in group. Think we think is awesome but negative ned might see some things that will pause gonNA asked about. This is gonNA ask about that. Did you think about the other in that case we can turn from an attitude of negative net. We don't want him on the team to ned brings value because he's going to see the things we hadn't thought about give give us a chance to go think about it and presented more complete proposal to Paul which Paul is more likely to say yes to ten in addition. You brought net on your team. There you go. Everyone has value. That's right that's right. Sometimes we gotta dig a little deeper cheaper but everyone has value so tell me let's go back just a little bit. I'm curious as business consultants and we always have choices on what we're going to focus our business on and <hes> and where we're going to market our primary of of deep expertise. I'M GONNA put a deep knowledge and how did you come up with an emphasis on personal strengths as your area of deep knowledge because it's so resonated with me. I really believe that everyone is packaged with potential for purpose. I believe that and I also believe that everyone is gifted with something to shift them a new levels of success unless you unwrap that gift and understand what it is you have no idea how much you're shortchanging yourself and because we are so conditioned to define success according to what other people think and believe we don't think in believed that we bring enough value to the table and that's just not true. That's just not true. Ears bring a different value than knows but we're do. We compare what the air can do to what the nose can do. Why do we do that with people that it's so that it's so true? <hes> you talk about <hes> you talk about <hes> what what I call all the the art of self discovery and as a lifelong learner that statement certainly intrigues me. What do you have in mind? When you talk about self discovery a myriad of things <hes> based and my research I created a <hes> self reflective learning model? It's called shift self assess hone in investigate fix and teen and I love assessments the simpler the better because at assessment is different from a test. I in that test is right or wrong and assessment is what it is once we discover what is then. What do we do with it? That's the honing in on it so based on the results. You know let's hone in and see what that means and then the investigating is taking a little deeper <hes> fixing that's really about fixing our self perception so that we can fix ourselves talk and then teaming is going out and finding people that will help support our goals as far as moving forward talking about self perception how going to change my mom myself. Perception is culturally ingrained. I mean I I've had this perception since four years old and in many of it has not changed. How do I go about altering myself? Perception raising ones awareness and I know that sounds really simple but it's the truth I have recently dipped my toe into the world of diversity and inclusion and I'm <hes> have the privilege of if <hes> working with a client in Las Vegas and one of the segments that we work on is called <hes> DOTS and we haven't exercise where we'll name off certain aspects of someone's life and we'll ask you to put a dot representing saying the color of that type of person in your box and at the end a lot of people have just white dots because their world was primarily white or just black dots because the world was primarily black or what have you and throughout the exercise. We realize that when we're coming up we don't use parents we don't pick where we go to school. We don't pick any of that but as we become eighteen and older than we have some choices and we realized that the person who we have become with shaped by factors we had no control all over and there's no judgment to that it is what it is but then once you're aware you can be intentional about moving forward differently and associated with different people in different ways of doing things the key is it shapes our behavior it shapes our thought patterns that shapes our approach when we are aware of that we can arrest some things the fast brain says will based on types of people that I've worked within the past and this particular situation. You look like that. I'm GonNa make that assumption. That's where we're by says. Come in unconscious prices. The slow brain in this is by Daniel Carmen says you know what even though I've seen someone that looks like you and this looks like a similar situation. I'm going to be intentional about dealing with you on a case by case basis and and let's have a different outcome so the message that I have is we raise our wariness so that we can create new experiences for ourselves and others because you're absolutely right. The perspective that we have is the perspective that was baked into us when we were younger. We don't know any different unless we <unk> our awareness and you yourself toll you'll take a month long vacation not as a tourist to immerse yourself in culture to understand how other people think and be an approach and that's all we're asking people do is raise your awareness no judgment about the way you raised but now that you are aware you're also responsible to do some things differently. How do you encourage people who are stuck in their way of thought to begin to alter their perception? That's a really good question. You can't force people know and I'll be honest with you. The classes that I'm teaching people are required to be there and they come in with their arms crossed and and not necessarily wanting to engage but by the end of class. Everyone has changed the room full of people that I see at eight A._M.. is a different room full of people that I see at five P._M.. Harvey taken an assessment during that process. It's a slight assessment. They do a lot of journaling. We take them to a lot of exercises and ask them all right <hes>. How inclusive of a leader do you think you are? We'll take them through an exercise and the next question will be how will you lead differently based on what you felt in discovered and we usually usually start with debriefing feelings I because even though we're in a logical thinking world so to speak people work based on their feelings if I don't feel included if I don't feel valued you're not gonna get the best Outta me so we help people to I process those feelings so that they can understand if you're talking about being inclusive leader. You need to include everything about everyone. Psychological safety are people safe enough to show up and do their best without feeling like you're trying to turn dement someone that they're not poised. Safety is a big word <hes> I. I WANNA come back. I think I'm GONNA I think I'm GonNa Start with that. I'M GONNA come back after our break and we'll we'll talk a little bit more about safety because I I think it's a <hes> I think it's a roadblock to discovery and change so let's take a quick break. Komo come right back all right. Thanks uh-huh uh Charlie hedges and you're listening to the next chapter with Charlie and I am here with Dr Nita Polite Wilson who is I want to say expert but she doesn't like the word expert she likes the word. She likes the Word D._D.. Knowledge that she has knowledge she has deep knowledge so I have to be careful about I using the word expert without getting a sly look from across the Dave. Don't like the word expert and it's it's because in my experience people who put themselves up as experts are not open to changing their frame and I absolutely am as a matter of fact when I go in and work with people I tell them I'm looking forward to learning as much as I share so that's my thing and and you know and I you explain that to me over lunch and I <hes> I I which I didn't feed you so I'll be back. If you'll have me. I'll be back. I saw agree. I so agree with that that that one must be willing to. To evaluate critical critical places in belief systems and and C. N.. I've and I've I've adjusted my belief systems radically radically very radically I I. I'm fond of telling people don't believe anything. I say today that because tomorrow I'll probably change my mind and it's not that I'm being whimsical. It's that new data could arrive. That's I can get new data that says boy. You know what you thought was true. There's some data that's that's challenging that thought and you need to consider it. You need to read up on it doesn't mean I just changed my mind because somebody throws me a data point but I will. I will take a look at it. It's right and and and make some changes now we were talking about safety psychological saith psychological safety and that's you know on in your maslow's chart. I believe that's number two on the maslow's chart I believe physical food and shelter and all that but I believe safety and security believe you're right is number two on maslow's chart of hierarchy of move and and and if somebody doesn't feel safe in their change it's going to be very difficult for them to make that change well before they even begin the chains they need to feel safe in in recognizing and sharing what is <hes> remember. I like to <hes> define assessment as the results are would is not right or wrong. There's nothing right or wrong with people. It's what is now how are people people showing up. How are people engaging? How are people interacting there are more productive behaviors and of course there are things that are right and wrong have sexual harassment training and things like that but when it comes to people and how are made up there is no right or wrong? It's what is what do we do with what it is that we find your that's perfect. That's perfect time. I'm I'm strange believer and there's not a whole lot of right or wrong but just is is and you know there's I guess I prefer better best you know <hes> but but safety is is somebody has to be able to to compromise their safety or to let go a little bit of their safety to just walk into a new area. You know you said I like to go to other countries and learn about cultures. I mean I've changed my idea about culture about about American in culture and it's not that I'm against American culture but I've come across so many different cultures in so many different ways of life that I've I've learned so much from it in it's and it's impacted my life personally a tremendous amount now now. I'm GonNa Change topics a bit because what I wanna hear about is that you use an instrument called strength finders. Guess I love strengths finders. Tell me about strength finders because I'm not sure all of people on our show straits familiar with it is a tool that was created by the Gallup Organization. I think pretty much everyone familiar with Gallup they do political polls and you know opinion surveys and things like that and <hes> strengths finders assessment that of thirty four strokes it will give you results in your top five strengths <hes> everyone has a different combination of strengths <hes>. I believe the last statistic I read was that you know so many point billion people do do not have the same strength but if they did let's say you and I had had the same five strengths that would be in a different order but even if in the unlikely event that we have the same strengths in the same order we use them differently and strengths strengths really helped me as a young professional to figure out why didn't always fit into <hes> a box because I'm around pig not only that when I really understood you can be aware of your strength but to really understand your strengths takes your ability to be productive in a whole new level. My top strengths are maximize or an influence her so I'll just ask you just think about those two different strings they are they are I'm sorry maximize and relator so if you think of the word maximize or what do you think that that's about me seems you will take a situation wherever it's at and you will take to the next level. That's right as it relates to people now if you think about the where relator what do you think that means things about me. I think that means you're good with people right and and and people are very important in your life and you make them important in your life absolutely if you take that top strength of maximize bringing out the best and relator her people being important <hes> maximize our helps to people get exactly where they're trying to go and beyond what they thought they could go and related bills deep relationships by helping people reach their goals says a facilitator as a personal well development coach even as a cycle instructor those two top two strengths of maximize relator are consistent across my life. I don't care what I do and my personal mission is to influence everyone to discover develop and deploy their strength every day because because I believe in it's so much when people can nail what they're good at they can just build on that and be good at that across every area of their life we need to show up consistently whether it's for personal or professional endeavors and uh-huh strengths you can do that those are critical strengths for coach absolute or a mentor facilitator or or what was what was it turn that I that I that I there's a mentor and there's a sponsor yes yeah in just learning about sponsors says night and sponsorship and and I think it's I think it's even more vital than than mentoring yes. Yes those are key key roles on a personal board of Director. Your coach your cheerleader. Your your sponsor your mentor. I knew champion. Absolutely what could you got names deep knowledge so those are so those are perfect for a coach. I mean those are ideal that would make you know they would make me want to say boy. I WanNa work with Dr Anita because she I get that she cares about me as an individual cares about my success and she can maximize my success and it's so genuine I gotta share the story with you. I was in Vegas with my client a few weeks ago and <hes> another company was there on some kind of <hes> corporate sponsored event and the gem was packed so I went downstairs. It was still dark in the morning. I was just trying to find a safe route and I came across this young man who is ahead of miss it. Excuse me are you walking running. He said I'm walking. I said well D- mind if I trail you. I don't WanNA interrupt your your private time. Can I want you know behind you. He said no come walk with me. We talked for an hour our about strengths. I didn't know him. He didn't know me he offered to buy. Mu Smoothie got back. You said you know I would let you to be my coach. He lives in New Jersey a month later. We're coaching together because the authenticity of what I feel about people's potential essential is so real so in that. I didn't know someone who lives in a whole. nother state has been my client for the last three weeks. What what are the challenges you face as a coach in in strings really helping ain't people to recognize it from what it is and so before I can really get into their strength when I do the assessment with them? <hes> for instance there was this one young woman who's just phenomenally successful. Just she built a mill mill multimillion dollar company sold her sharing it and went and bought a plane and ran a training institute. She's got <hes> a nonprofit she just phenomenal and when I was telling you about strength being an entrepreneur she's trying to save money so instead of buying a new book with the code and she buys a used book and look through all the strength and tries to pick her strength. Can you just humor me spend the twenty five bucks. Get the book so that you can take the actual assessment so the five that she chose for herself. Two of them were right on the money to other three. She didn't guess and she said I'm not sure about these three so in talking with her I said well. Let's look at this one. Don't you do X._Y._Z.. Yeah that's the strength. Let's look at this one. Why aren't you doing A._B._C. This way yeah? That's the strength so let's look at this one. Why aren't you leveraging this? When you do these things here I am so now? Do you believe in your strength. She said Yeah I never thought about. I said that's because their strengths you use them all the time and that's the whole point of leveraging aging our strengths. It's who we are. Why on Earth would we try and do something different? That isn't who we are make ourselves miserable in the process quite helpless to norris drinks because it helps us identify an emergent theme in our life life our purpose. I think I know that my purpose is really helping people be their best and again whether that's in the corporate board room or in a spin cycling class I can see the potential that people don't see themselves and can help nudge Nedj sometimes push them in that direction and when they discover it for themselves. It's life changing. It really is and I don't mean to be dramatic. It is life changing. Oh you know I I firmly believe that I I <hes> I took strength finders. You know when it first came out and I wish I could remember what my my strengths were. <hes> you can take it again. I thought about doing it. I thought about taking before I came on the show and I didn't. I just didn't get the book enough to do it. <hes> but I'm I'm. I'm in the middle of you know at sixty-nine. I'm a lifelong learner and I have I have a coach and and we're working on a thing that that that many of the listeners are familiar with called archetypes and one of my archetypes of one of my would come out in strength finders someway. I don't know the name but it's the leader. I don't know what would name would that come out has well. Strengths finers has domains therefore domains there is executing relationship-building influencing strategic thinking so I would think that leader would either go under influencing strategic thinking yeah and I just came back from Africa and and I I made a <hes> an which my leadership capabilities really emerged in a very very strong way and and I have evaluated waited with my coach. You know what kind of leader I am that I very collegial <hes> yet not afraid to make a decision when decision has to be made but but I work with people so people don't feel like I'm coming in dictatorial. Working together unless I have to do something but just that knowledge doctrine needed just knowing that that leadership was one of my strengths and seen other people will respond in such a way really helped me be a better leader. I don't know how you know what it did but it helped me you know being cognizant of the fact that leadership was a a strong aspect of my personality that are my talent blissed was very helpful not that you would need it but I would say to you or anyone. It's just another indicator of our self confidence when we know what we know what we know we can walk into any situation be confident and it doesn't matter that I'm not showing up his Charlie hedges. I'm not Charlie hedges. My strength is Dr Nita his strengths Charlie early head just together. We make a powerful team but I don't have to be intimidated by Charlie. 'cause I know who I am poor. That's brilliant. I really love it. I don't have to be intimidated by somebody else because that's not my strength that stairs and we can is this lever gene we can work together and we can leverage that as a team absolutely and we can together we can produce an even better product and and I think and I think knowing it I don't remember we talked about of the radio. We talked about it before but the book that I'm reading the talked about the small self we talk about that on air already. I think so just a little bit <hes> but you know depending on on our are influenced by the need to be my self esteem needs myself important needs if I know I'm a leader and I and I know I can do that well. That diminishes wishes that small south that diminishes that need for Eagle because I'm not doing it for ego. I'm just doing it because it's natural ability there. You go that your self actualization right there and I'm and I'm having fun doing absolutely and and I'm doing it well and doing it. In a relational manner I means other people are accepting of IT and other people are appreciative of it. Nobody's feeling you know that I'm that I'm coming in and take over. That's right. I think there are two points points that I wanna make about strengths number. One oftentimes in the office folks have challenges with other people again because they don't understand their own greatness. If I'm so busy looking at Charlie's greatness than Paul's greatness and what makes you too so awesome I can be intimidated by that yeah but if I don't recognize my own greatness and what makes me awesome in my own right there's no way that I can ever feel like I can be partners with you that said I know that a lot of people have concerns about only focusing on your strengths. That's not to say that there there there is not room to grow when you're looking at your strengths I had mentioned the four different domains <hes> strategic thinking influencing relationship building and executing when I have done this with teams oftentimes especially in aerospace as industry which I just came out of a team would be very light in people with the influencing skill but that's okay if I ask you what's inherent in relationships. What would you say just a few things respect to <hes> loyalty <hes> inherent in relationships compatibility but but respect is big for army respect is a big word and and loyalty if we have respect and loyalty for one another we have a relationship it means we have influenced with one another yes right so if you've got a team and your light in the domain of influencing wincing but you've got folks that are strong relationship building because influence is inherent in relationships you can leverage that into domain of influencing and so back to our earlier example if we need to present a proposal to the Paul but we don't have anyone who specifically strong in the influencing skills we can take someone who is relational who can bill that bridge and deliver that message to Paul in a different way but still have the the result of someone who's strong and influencing the make sense and that is the other beauty of strengths? You can still grow in develop but it's going to be so much more comfortable and means so much more because you're doing it in an area that you're already strong in not an area that you struggling Eh. What do you do with? Here's your struggling in finds somebody else seriously you're laughing but I'm serious so I believe it. I I love it so when I have not my job is not my job and to meant to often managers try and make their people quote unquote. Well well rounded. No you're making the miserable so if we if you and Paul were my team and you had something on your performance review for the last three years and he had it's something here's a performance review for the last three years. It's been three years is not likely going to be addressed but as a manager that's aware of strengths I can say well. You know what Charlie Lemme give this the Paul because he's actually good at that and Paul. Let me give this to Charlie because he's he's actually good at that. I'm the manager I can make those determinations. You're happier Paul's happier. Productivity is up engagement is up and everybody goes home. We need to coaching more managers. Hello Call Me Ah I know where we're growing near end of time and I've got a few more questions but I do want to <hes> I read this on your website and it intrigued me because we live in an age of virtual communication. We live in an age where one on one communication I mean you can see I think as you wrote you got five people at the table and everybody looking at their smartphone and is it's not even a dialogue going on and you wrote in your website. I quoting from your website. My research demonstrated that are people feel connected through joint dialogue either one on one or group interactions are more willing to embark on a path of joint discovery that full facilitates the revelation of deep patterns belief and perhaps actions but it's that people who have learned to communicate are are more willing to embark on joint discovery ventures. What are we going to do about that in this in his generation you know? I don't know I will tell you that was born out of my research. <hes> in my research was around the success factors of young adult African American women and I got young women and seasoned women together talking about was necessary to be successful in the workforce and I used a method call the world cafe which has never been used for research before one of my dissertation committee members told me and I'm very action oriented person. I we need to talk with. Just go get it done. There's something to be said for conversation when I work with leaders letters. I asked them well when you listen. Are you listening to solve or are you listening to understand and there's a huge difference because when we listen to understand we might find that we're not part of the solution other than to say Paul is a subject matter expert in their let me connect you with him and so it goes back to really listening if we were just listened to each other I was working with another consultant in San Diego and he's got this wonderful activity about how to have a healthy disagreement agreement. Say what you're GonNa say and before you respond actively listen or paraphrase with the person said find something to agree with and also and then state your point. How is that because I'm acknowledging what you said? There's something in there that I agree with and oh by the way here's how I feel. We just have to listen. That's do teach listening I can well my husband might not think so yeah that is a that's a whole different subject and it is you know covey forty years ago with intend to understand rather than the intent to understood and Saint Francis of Assisi seven four hundred years ago ever how many years ago said exactly the same thing that listening is really critical well. We are reaching our our time went so fast. I know it went so fast and I feel like we barely covered. What what I wanted to cover? If I may WANNA leave with one gem please do going back to Stephen Covey. One of the seven habits is speak. I understand before being understood and I hope leaders just used three pieces of that helped me understand it is revolutionary as far as teaming help says as the leader. I can't do it by myself. Me Says as a leader I'm owning nece and understand says you as the person that either I support or I lead you probably have information that I need. How empowering is that for folks for their leader to need them for their leader to admit they don't have all the answers and for their leader to be authentic and transparent insecure enough to say that if leaders were to use those three words help me understand it would revolutionize the dynamics on their team and that is what I like to leave folks with? I love that help me understand understand how me help me understand this and giving credibility to the people you're strengthening their team your strengthening that individual and and you are actually learning in the process and you're proving you're a good leader. That's right three simple worries about as powerful as I love you yeah. That's great yeah. We'll Dr Anita. Thank you so much for being my guest today. It's been my pleasure and I have something for you. I always love to coach Mentor folks in one of the Young Ladies That I've been coaching and mentoring for a while she just opened new business. It's called Sugar Mama sweets and you're gonNA love that that is for you an Pam so pam unless you're listening make sure Charlie shares golden box with the red ribbon on it for you. Yes I have a golden box with the red ribbon that are not allowed to allow. Nobody may open it so I'm opening a box while we're <hes> that has sugar Mama Shigemoto kemalist sweets. Yes yeah just as I'm on a diet. That's <hes> that's perfect. I don't pay attention anyway we shouldn't they don't count between down the end of the that's right man the the end of the year well. Thank you again for coming on the show. It's been wonderful thank you. Imitation is been an honor and a treat it really has you've been great. Thank you and I wanNA think all our listeners for tuning into the next chapter with Charlie and be sure to check us out at our.

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466 The Four Sacred Gifts; Indigenous Wisdom Shared by Author Anita Sanchez

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466 The Four Sacred Gifts; Indigenous Wisdom Shared by Author Anita Sanchez

"Mindfulness mode four hundred sixty six. We get a choice every moment of every day to either good medicine or bad medicine and good good medicine is really about welcome to mindfulness mode. I'm Bruce Langford host and creator of the mindfulness mode podcast so glad glad to have you with us today. I have an author that you'll hear. You'll hear that I get really excited about her work. Her book is phenomenal. Manala and I just really felt that it was such a clear way to understand some of the biggest issues we're dealing with today shame team and forgiveness but more about that in a minute I want you to have my waves of content guided meditation mindful tribe. It'll help you be more focused and have a better sense of calm in your life. You'll feel more contented and more peaceful. This meditation is yours mindful tribe tribe free at mindfulness mode dot com forward slash waves of content so I hope you enjoy that so now without further do sit back relax and enjoy today's episode with the Wonderful Anita Sanchez mindful tribe. I've just finished reading a book that impacted me in so so many ways I mean it was such a beautifully written book. It was so much about forgiveness. It was about shame it it was about so many things community and this book is written by a Brilliant Wise Generous Wolman woman who I have with me right here. Today I have the wonderful author Anita Sanchez. PhD Anita are you in mindfulness this mode today I am totally present. It feels so good to be here and to be a conversation with you. Finally that's great and you you know what when you read a book that impacts you and then you know you're going to be spending time with author. I mean that is an absolute gift. It really is and and I'm. I'm just so thrilled. Tell us what mindfulness means to you and Nita Yup mindfulness to me is about being present but let me explain explain it also in an indigenous way so in addition to sway. We get a choice every moment of every day to be there. Good medicine or bad medicine and good medicine is really about the mindfulness is basically saying that it's anyone or anything can help make this happen and it's putting get alignment the spiritual mental emotional and physical and when that is in alignment one is truly present able able to open heart mind body. Everything is present to what is so instead of the the crazy mind going off into pass into the future. We're allies have clarity in here in the living right now now anita. I talked about the book. I don't know if I mentioned the name of it is the four sacred gifts and the subtitle is indigenous wisdom for modern times and yeah such a wonderful book. You can check it out at four four sacred gifts dot com mindful tribe just going to share a little bit more about you Anita Anita Sanchez. PhD As tack and and Mexican American is a transformational leadership consultant. She's a speaker a coach and author of this book that I've been talking about Oh and she bridges indigenous teachings with the latest science to Inspire and equip women and men to enjoy meaningful full empower full lives and careers so one of the things that you do. Is You define indigenous so let's start there. Let's talk because your definition of indigenous indigenous really is everyone. All human beings are indigenous because we all are from the Earth every element innocence of of the Earth Water the stars so we are all indigenous but when I say indigenous in the context of today I'm talking about human beings people bowl who have stayed connection to the traditions to the connection to the earth through ceremonies dance through their oral history so that that that connection has not been lost whereas for many of us who are come from the earth bills cultural knowing that original original knowledge there was a there was a separation from it so that's when we talk about indigenous people were really talking about people nations Sion's and tribes all over the world who have kept that connection to the Earth your book the four sacred gifts outlines these four gifts this and the first one and has such a powerful gift is the power to forgive the unforgivable and at first of course when I started hardy to read the book I thought well what does that really mean the unforgivable and of course it wasn't long before I understood what it meant but maybe you can tell us what what does it mean. Forgive the on forgivable. The unforgivable is something that's fairly large for people so it's hard to define it for a particular person because sometimes it's accumulation of little hurts and mistreatments that become the big unforgivable but when I was talking about the big unforgivable I was thinking about some some of the things that pretty much every human being across all different cultures around the world will say his unforgivable by abuse this sexual abuse incest or the killing the annihilation of whole groups of people which was true for most many indigenous most people around the world it was about a radical us and they forgot that we were seat so they tried to bury us but as the saying goes we're seed so we remain so so that's when you think about those things that the hurt and mistreatment is so big so deep that each feels the allusion is as if it is unforgivable doubt certainly is in here in Canada. I know that it's just devastating to think of how we have treated indigent indigent people it's just so shameful and so sad and but it isn't just in Canada of course I mean it's it's it's it's not but it it just it hurts so much nothing you're but we you all are in the process what I see from the outside from us that a whole row that read that pathway to forgiveness because you have as a country acknowledged unlike in the US we haven't done a formal acknowledgement knowledge that you've acknowledged what happened the taking of sacred lands the taking of a water the killing of people putting people in boarding schools and it the let's go on in that list is actually pretty true for us as well only you all have acknowledged it and then you have actually put in place now education of all people in Canada but starting in elementary school about what is the true history rather than washing it over as most nations and countries due to only show the viewpoint of who is so called the winner of whatever the war whatever it was so it's very powerful because as I talked to my brothers and sisters of various tribes from Canada they shared with us you know the great works it. It still needs to happen but also have a different kind of lightness awareness ability to act because they have a whole whole nation that they are part of that has acknowledged what has been and it's not just past tense which in these two touche's that exist today day embedded in there is the favouritism is the bias conscious and unconscious bias towards the mainstream people versus the people who had already been there who had cared for the land and cared for each other yeah so true. Why should you forgive? That's one of the questions did you ask and I absolutely loved the answer because it gives you true freedom to help create positive change and that's not all. Let's talk more about why we should forgive its import. What I've found Bruce though is that it's hard for people to take in end the softest part of the year hearing in their mind and their heart why should do this? I'd like to percents what forgiveness is not because people mistake that and that's why they go oh I can't do this. Forgiveness doesn't mean that you forgot. Forgiveness doesn't mean that you don't seek justice to change systems that structure so that pain pain that hurt that mistreatment doesn't happen again. Forgiveness doesn't mean you're week or beach praying a whole group of people forgiveness as you mentioned it is a path to freedom is what I found is. The pathway not only to freedom is the freedom to find out and discover and live in a way that you truly unconditionally can love yourself. I never knew that hurts. Mistreatments unforgivable would stop me from being able to be a whole human and being enjoy of being who I am. What forgiveness allows you to take off all the way the heaviness the energy that we use? We only have so much energy every day that I was using in holding onto the upset the resentment of what happened and didn't happen happen in my life. Due to the incest that was part of my life from age four to thirteen or the murder of my father based on race is why he was killed taken for a black man back in the mid sixties and what happens is when you carry you that anger that resentment that Energy Nelson Mandela said it doesn't do anything to the person you're directed or the group of people it eats at you and so I hi actually came to a place in my teens and early twenties where I used to tell people or my well pain is so deep it big and my well joy is so small and that's a distortion. That's a lie that is the lie of the illusion of pain in her mistreatment new think that's all there is an worse Bruce Bruce worst of all is that you get so identified with the pain and hurt that you think that it's your identity and that is so untrue and when I could start feeling that out because of using the various skits why could start feeling that way. I began to discover that even though that my story are some things that many people will have never extended oh my gosh. How could you forgive that just unthinkable? It's not at all because what I realize is I put down the arm or when I put down this notion of separation I realize all the good things that were present present that I couldn't be present two because I was storing it in all the anger in the fight and so when I began to let that go more and more more of love for myself of the freedom and ability to be with other people and other beings all the teachers that I got as a child or my grandmother Hi there my mother than digital about us being one in connection began to fill my life and oh my Gosh I you come to a plate wait. Why did any way that you don't want any of these horrible things happening to other people however I also would never change my life because of the strength I think the post traumatic growth that I experienced from having gone through that so it's not at all idolizing the pain and mistreatment mm-hmm we need to stop there and there's movement all of the world to stop the mistreatment of women and girls and stop the racism and all of that but I am saying is that there's always a choice in the choices to get sacked in spiral downward in that also for all of is here is the choice of possibility to move move towards resilience towards growth towards ability to be president in the world in a way an understanding that gives you even then more ability to move forward free of a lot of fears because you've gone through such a process of letting go and forgiving? I loved how you you went through this step by step. How do you forgive here a ways? This is how I did it. This is how you can do it and you said you know it can take a long longtime or it can take an instant. You can simply decide just like that. I'm going to forgive this person and it can just take an instant. I mean that's incredible edible. It's it's true I am both to an I learn to hold open as I helped create the Grayson space for other people to empower themselves salves to to take to make choices that it could be any of those. I have a story All shorten it but I think is an important one so hard of the healing the forgiveness parts of it happened very quickly but one of them that took longer was the murder of my father. He worked in a steel mill. He get very dark in the summer are in one seven. He was also an alcoholic so one summer after work. He went to get his beer before he came home. He didn't know earlier that day of black men and white men were having an argument so while he sat there drinking his beer the white man returning just saw his profile and shot several bullets who is heading killed on the spot. Will I mean that's terrific. If it comes thirteen I had six brothers and sisters were from age nine to nineteen my mother seventh grade education and she always worked all the time but at that point you know I remember remember her ever not working to put us all through private school and just doing the best she could for all of us in education be Keelan but what happened the week after that was enough for anyone especially thirteen year old too just like what do I do with that but the year week after my father's murder a white woman and a young white boy who somewhere somewhere around my age came to the door and I was by my mother and she identified herself as the wife and the son of the man who murdered my father will you could imagine agent. I could feel my mom. She was a very solid short woman but very solid. I could feel her shaking. I was just and then women that I had to tell you Mrs Sanchez my husband was a good man. He never would have killed your husband. If he knew he was Mexican and native American he thought he was black and she went on to start saying bad things about black people and I remember Merav shaking even more and she's finally shouted at her stop. You don't even know what you're saying. Don't even know what you're teaching your son I want you to I know that I'm going to try really hard to pay for your soul that you get off my porch and that night my mom said something that forever or a wise woman wisdom it doesn't have anything to do with age education through through what we know that for mindfulness right and she sat a six kids down and she said this you need to understand a white man murdered your father not the white race I will say at one more time and I will not say it again. A white man barter her father not the white race and then she opened the Kansas City newspaper where I grew up in Missouri and she showed a picture that was my father laying on bar four with blood around his head and she's now this this you this is racism. This is in the newspaper would ever a person of color whenever a black man you know Asian native American. She didn't say for color was an attorney back then she she made all the debris. If that something violent has gone up in the paper full but if a white person some him they never have that because they treat them with dignity knitting respect like a human being that we have to change and then it took years neatly I went to school college. At Sixteen I started sorry working corporations in my mid twenties and in rooms doing diversity inclusion we're hearing white men and women who talked about their parents teaching them that they were better than people of color but they also said they loved their parents but they were not they do not believe that and they were delivering their life in a different way and what happened to me. Bruce is that dream of that day that happening lived in me for many any many years I started having that dream again of a white woman and her son only everything in here everything word for word but I couldn't see the white voice his face he was gone it was really creepy and then over time with hearing incorporations the circles of white men and women's sharing what what they have been taught in that they were releasing and creating something new allow me to then one day had that night a dream where I could see the young boy space. I mean to this day. If I were to meet this man I would know who he was and what I I hope for him is that he had a good life. 'cause what about thirteen year old Anita didn't understand because she was so faint pilled with pain and suffering. Was that that summer day I lost my father but that's summer day. Young white boy lost his father doing grew up knowing his father was a murder and and today if I knew what I knew back then I would open the door and said come in. Let's talk. It can't take a lot of time to heal and it's worth it and it can be a snap where with a practice you you could just release things not pretending not doing a mind thing. We'll I'm going to act as if you truly you can release it. All of it is possible. It requires your your choice you choosing consciously are and are unconsciously you could be making those choices and you will be rewarded with avarice and that's just so wonderful and you are wonderful storyteller. I love the story about how you are fighting this whole thing about writing your doctorate paper and and you're just fighting it fighting fighting it and then you just you just they said you know to what was it grandfather and grandmother how some people would call it God mccown God yeah and you said if you want me to write this send. What did you say? Send me a sign so yeah send me aside. Tell us this man slam the door. All while think of my mother would just be horrified cheered me cursing grandma GRANDPA. They're like that and when I looked out these big windows in my house an eagle flew by so I put my hands on my hips and I said okay all right every morning by get up at five o'clock to go the bathroom all come out here. Look out the windows and if the so you don't flies by that I'll go downstairs and write for three hours okay so we took three a little over three months. Every day. I went out and darn if there wasn't an eagle that fly fly. That's not a usual occurrence fly and worst of all bruce is so I would go down and right for three hours and then some mornings I come up at eight o'clock side right provide eight come up to make my breakfast and I sit down and another Darn Eagle would fly back by the window and I have to go back downstairs and write for another three hours but what magic so many different things one is that you know they're other beings that that we're not necessarily taught indigenous people. I think other people are too that they make the connection you know the trees are there for the water. Is there for for us. The four legged the wing and all were all connected where all our precious relations were all connected but ben is when I realized that there had been and for some time the eagles are part of helpers to me and they wanted this book written because minding my phd they wanted noted that down and it was important for me to be able to move into some of the places CEOS of Fortune one hundred corporations in places to have that was important but I only could have happened because of the eagles the eagles every day and I was true to my word that's really important. They helped me every day to get that and in your early days you wore armor. You described it as your illusion of separateness armor Tillerson vote what because all that I heard that happened to me as a trial with the rapes and stuff and then with the murder of my father and then go on. I'm a Latina Azteca second woman young girl. All that stuff is that I started putting our rouce I was going to say no. One's GonNa hurt me. I'm GonNa go through life on my own. I'm GonNa do anyway you know and I just put up this armor just really tough barely smiling and stuff and what I found when I went away to the University of Colorado at age sixteen the action was seventeen. The first year was in Missouri other all these indigenous people there I start connecting them and then all these white folks and Mexican Americans and I just my community just kept getting bigger and they kept saying me as a leader and so they'd have me speak for them. In the MIC. I've never had trouble speaking in front of people so and Iran ramp pursued by they were seeing all these thing in me that there was this thing in my mind that was saying I'm a fraud imagined other people that are listening to said they have of those most like Oh. This isn't true they. You know I'm just they don't see the real need it will see all of me but what it happened by being seen by others helped me to start lowering this armor and lowering and lowering it to where it allowed and I realized I kept the bad stuff out at least a lot of it but I was keeping out the good stuff that armor that we build in our mind are really literally build. Well it keeps out the good stuff and one can't live like that. We need each other. There's what I say what the elders taught me over the years is that human beings can have the condition of being lonely human beings are never we're never locked and when that finally realization should sunk in I am never alone. I have the water that's going through. That's nourishing me and the food earth the birds the trees providing shade then then I have my mother my father my brothers my sisters my friends there. Virtually we don't do anything alone. We are always connected. It is the mind that state of loneliness and so we can train it being my focus trainer so we don't fall down into that but can come back to the abundance that we're part of so that we can come back to knowing what we need not take too much because we can be sufficient to that seven generations out. We'll have plenty for everyone so that armor came down really from the gift of unity is others wanting to be joining in Dan and it looks like from the outside being their leader their student body president like I was but it over time I actually dropped further and further or giving accepting them giving to them being in flow that debt really then I realized Oh my gosh the power our really connecting collaborating with people when you don't have armor up on my gosh there's so much energy so many solutions that were able to cremate folklore each other's wives for the larger communities lives. Both I'm talking about for the Community of human beings as well as the other beings are right yeah. Oh Yeah I just love how you're able to communicate all of this as we talk but also in the book and one of the things is that you learned from the time you're young child was how to listen with the softest part of your ear and you've already alluded you did that. Tell us what that really needs will first of all it means you have to shut your mouth so we learned very little from my second grandmother about listening so it was like there is nothing come out of your mouth and then it's truly being present with the soft partier the south is part of your heart so what that it means what happens and she didn't use this language as a little girl but that you were present to the actual being nasty aliveness somebody else or something else that they have made or what is part of their being that you don't have to compete with. I don't have to sound off because I am present to what they are. So the lesson one of the lessons she taught me in sharing this because I love is bring my grandmother back who are lost in the sixties physically lost but she's always been around at aged for my little sister who then was prop was only about two over two and my older sister who's a couple of years older than me. We were staying at our home and early one morning morning on a Saturday morning. She got us up. It was still dark. Got Us a win outside with summertime and we were by her garden and it was August so the sunflowers were out big time but she had a stand there and as the sun rose we know talking we just faced with sunfire was and every hour that day she stopped whatever we were doing and we'd go over to the sunflower and we'd move with the sunflower in silence and just be there present to the sunflower so by the end of the day you can imagine we had turned always looking toward the sun and then the sunset and being present to and Oh my gosh here's a woman who had no formal education indigenous woman that to this day I use the lessons of being present to one with even in darkness turning towards the light that I've used in my carpet work in my community work all over the world it. She embedded that in the I felt like a cellular way those lessons which all of us can get we have inches or not having a second grandmother win. We can be present like that listening with the softest art of our ears. We are able to not only share here what is being exchanged but even in the silence in between which is to say you can hear the music between the words and Bruce to this day when people hard illicit will it. Does it takes practice to that you can be quiet to the calm your mind to be present truly in wanting to be there for another being but I'll tell you once you start doing da you hunger for it like I hunger for being silence listening with US office part of my ear because it's another level of intimacy and connection that can happen in a second between a child and a parent between coworkers you know between in the community just going by total stranger and that being present to them if they have words or not worse it's so powerful it helps you not forget that we truly are one who of wife not to world's not a develop world undeveloped world not all these different we are one coupe of life and he hit years like giving to listen to the other beings. We are one hoop of life. I just love that four sacred gifts dot com mindful tribe. You really need to check this out and you can check out the facebook place where you'll find Anita Anita Sanchez. PhD The HD on facebook and twitter Dr Anita Sanchez now Anita another one of the things you talked about in your book is is a well of joy and a well of pain and how are you dealing with this. What is a well of joy? What is a well of pain? Let's talk about well. I think that's the the healing process that we all need to do on a daily basis. It's not a one time event like love the shot like me so I never ever have to suffer now. The healing process is the process and so what happens over time you just realize that okay. I'm suffering right now. Something thing happen in than I have choice about and it's not about denying it or pushing down because it'll come out some other way. It's really looking at it putting in the light seeing it before Ford is and what I call a positive balance so I'm always look so. What's the learning here? What do I have to be grateful for things? The eldest told us you know like be careful. Full of what you think be careful what you say because once you have that you can't take it back what you can put out a new so I'm always when the suffering or pain or a healing these happen acknowledged it because I don't want to just pretend like look at it see it and then what is the learning here in what's to be grateful for and so that well of pain that I used to think the illusion that was all my life and there was this little bitty has really totally opposite is a very small malwal pain that I continue to release that and the well of joy is huge. Let me also say this like the seasons seasons like the day tonight. Things are shifting and changing all the time so it's not about trying to hang onto at specific acidic either God when I was eighteen or I get joy when I first learned whatever it is is leading that too because that hanging on is preventing Banou from coming to so that's that's what I'm talking about in being taught in having my learning to understanding more deeper that we hold onto all that so as thought leaders as leaders of our own lives talking necessarily organizationally or anything or even in the family we are that that we get to hold onto all of this. We get to decide how we want to live our life and so I leave my life as an the digits for standing -able harmony enjoy either is when we pay attention to our relationship the human beings to Letter Ping's nature and to spirit that is living as a whole human being and that is what can bring harmony because collectively we come together we get to just it's expansive in 'em. Is it really well really amazing so Anita. Do you have a story about bullying that you can share with us where mindfulness maybe would have made a difference. Yes I can at all just a here so many bowling bowling stories working with the clients both in business as well as working with young people in high schools and things but I will share one of mine which is some young girl I love and I still do unlawful to read a going to the museums and libraries with some sort of my escape from some of the traumatic stuff stuff that was happening in my my childhood and I remember going to the library and looking different being Mexican American and native American. I remember having my books. Check out in a few kids came by and I it was not an accident. They literally pushed me down and of course I was upset. I was fairly young. I think I must have been around eight eight and what I remember as I was trying to not cry and pick up in all sorts of messages in me like I should know better why all these messages critical the critical self about what I could have done and all of a sudden there's hands there and it's the librarian who is helping me pick up the books but I remember her taking her hand under my Chin and just lifting up just the slightest and smiling at me never said anything and I felt like this woman was practicing mindfulness being presidency and for a moment I wish it was I wish I could have practiced more but for that moment I could feel in the presence of someone else being really present to another being in carrying that you don't need a lot of words words but I also had who's able to connect to myself that this was not my fault and that I'm not alone own and that she was there so I think that's one of the areas where I felt bad mindfulness. Well it was president and she helped show me that again to go there because that was part of my teaching for my grandmother my mom to be able to do that but when you're in the midst of the something bad happening wing it can be especially as a young person difficult to do but they are taking a breath being present to the good things things that were around me which in this case was the was the librarian in other cases was being around and seeing birds the trees to I'd like rebound the and reconnect me too that this isn't my whole life my whole story. This is a bullying and being mindful can help me be better better about where I am and how I am and how I wish to be in the world that is a beautiful story and speaking of birds. I know the red cardinal is a bird that you mentioned in the book you talked about Nico and story about Nico in the turtle you brought up is a sacred symbol. Can you tell us about the turtle in the Red Cardinal and their significance was in the gift of hope mom both my sons had blessing ways not the same as a baptism at all but it's is basically from a tribe getting really initiated connected a clear ceremony of you belong and so at a box came in a ceremony for my youngest one in my youngest one Nikko was only twenty months old at the time and who's just a beautiful ceremony Emoji and he had me take off Nikko's little shirt because he had the earth and Nikko he was about to start painting his body and Nikko pushed. There's just hanaway and put his little fingers into the earth the powder and begin painting his own body Eve never seen this before and Eddie's face. Is it hard faces of the thirteen of us. A circle were just like mesmerized this little child could do this and then Eddie set. I set him down on the floor at Eddie gave to him Eddie not only being the longest over thirty years of leader on the Sundance for the people he also made flutes and so we had made this flute for Nico and at the top of the was at the end of it was this little turtle and at the place where you would blow hello into the food was this carnal and he explained to Nikko that she was this little turtle and that the cardinal would forever be there for or him watching over and that what nickel needed to understand even as this little turtle that everything mattered every rethought in every step no matter how small it was was important and that he was sacred and so I we still hold that had that flute loot when he finally finished his college moved his own place. I'll take that but it was so very powerful and I want to close. The stories of the cardinal is so important written power power every animal. Every creature is sacred but it's not that we worship the animals are the beings is the characteristics of them that we know we could emulate that they're teaching us and we're teaching them that we're all connected but at the end of that Eddie sat down and began drumming and chanting and my son who's five and a half years older soon within about seven six or seven at the time sitting next to Eddie and Nico Starts Stance and Bruce the way he was dancing. It's not like a twenty month old like a dance. It was powerful in Nikko said I could here him say Eddie. How does he know at is he not do that and Eddie said Alex the ancestors are with your brother? The ancestors are with you. They ancestors are with all of us. We only need to remember Nikko Remembers Remembers. I love that story while and I loved the book for Sacred Gifts at for sacred gifts dot com Anita. This has been amazing as we move forward. I want to ask you five quick answer questions so just thirty second answers would be perfect. Here's the first question I need to tell us who is one person who has influenced mindfulness in your life. Yes well right now. I'm thinking of Eddie Box Fox the story I just told you about ready could be silent. Eddie could be present to where he could turn and see this just the little point to the light on a leaf on Aspen tree and the joy that that brought by being present beautiful. How is mindfulness affected your emotions anita huge because emotions part of the thing about emotions is there again they make it seem like that's all there is in that they could go on and on and all all this whereas I understand that emotions are part of being a human being but just like anything they're meant like the seasons like the time of the day like anything they are met net to to go there meant to be released not held onto so mindfulness being in that practice has helped me to be able to release emotions? It's as they're meant to be released rather than being held on to tell us how breathing is part of your mindfulness always has been yes breathing thing but all different kinds of breathing so the deep breathing to really go down into your whole body that just like roots me like oak tree when I see both cleanses but it's just like rudeness but also the fast quick breath to waken me when I would go hunting as a child by dishes. This is elders taught me like if you're starting to get sleepy than do the short breast and Waken you and it was always awakening Bruce. There's this whole joy in the journey of awakening awakening awaiting that affects our behavior in our actions beautiful. If you could recommend a book related to mindfulness what would that it'd be well of course you're with your right and I'm so proud in honored to have to be on your show but also high spend a lot. It's hard to pick one because I'm a member of the Transformational Leadership Council and so Michael Back with I mean there's so many so many leaders Marianne Williamson and just all their works are being mindful da who is amazing consultant and mindful teacher Michael Teacher and not going to be much help there. I I just think pickup one start with Bruce's pick up a book and kick it into the practice. You probably will realize you've already been doing that because that's part of just your own sacredness but you'll be able to go much further when you get that kind of mentoring through a book or in person from someone yes absolutely true crew. Are there any APPS that you would recommend. Maybe APPs that that you use or any of your clients or anybody you know that can help with mindfulness mind movies. is one of the APPS that I have and Natalie lead well wonderful in having people become more mindful and then also in manifesting using the law of attraction. I think her her her work is powerful. Deep and yet so berry simple made simple even though it's drawing a lot of neuroscience as well as I I believe some of the digital squeezed him that it's usable so I I like that happened my movies that's great yeah no put all of this into our show notes and of course mindful tribe checkout for sacred gifts dot com and Anita's book the four sacred gifts. It's it's really a book that I I haven't loved book so much in quite a while. It's just been such a gift and it's a gift a needed to have you as a guest here on the show. Thanks so much for sharing what you do with mindful tribe. Thank you my pleasure bye now. Thanks so much for joining us today. On mindfulness mode owed for show notes for every episode GIECO Mindfulness Mode Dot Com and type the guest's name or the episode number into the search bar. You can also go mindfulness mode dot com slash whatever episode number you like. If you've enjoyed this podcast you could help us out by subscribing. I being to mindfulness mode wherever you listen whether it's on I tunes or Stitcher Google play spotify so many places as you can hear a mindfulness mode so hit subscribe and share because that truly helps our show and remember what I mentioned at the top of the show the waves of content meditation. It's a guided meditation just for you mindful tribe. 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"Let's make sure stories presents a monthly journey into the improbable. Today's story one seventy six the GIG read by Mitchell Easter place in time where logic breaks down in wonderment began there are stories just remember to credit us and don't alter anything good the validation code will have been automatically sent to your phone wants to mesh hub is ready it'll connect and download the code and how do I how do you know when and where to go Mr Oni through the APP you'll get instructions through the APP good day as the be tender for a day but there we're finished power how do I keep charged Oh it uses it opened the door to leave she stopped and turned to Lee oh I almost forgot welcome to Air Mash Mr Oni the woman gave him a the technician ignored the question and continued to pack up there are fewer nerve endings in your back so it's easier to insert and you're less likely to feel it under your skin we tried both at first too many nerve endings and the company's afraid people could remove them on their own did that ever happen rude list government building from the previous century on a no longer important street his career manager had insisted league at the implant before he left her off the natural current in your nerves nothing else is needed. It's only a few extra calories a day no one even notices at least we've never had a complete but such futile act would only delay the inevitable so deciding it was pointless given the mash hub was already spreading its Gossamer tendrils out under the all while the technician from Air Mesh Systems worked on his back it only takes a minute once we're set up the bio circuitry is not that large and the ain't you can get up now and put your shirt back on the technician a middle aged nurse who looked as if the world had ground her down to the point that injecting smile which didn't reach her is then turned and walked out closing the door Lee finished buttoning his shirt then check the time on his phone this and she had made it clear he didn't have a choice the contract is on the table you have to sign it before I can give you the activation code the technician noted you were the nurses tablet lay he looked at the contract on the device deciding whether he should read the entire agreement as a way to protest the situation. It's it I thought there'd be more to it Leoni stared down at the worn grey industrial carpet through a face hole in the portable massage table he hadn't planned on being so long not that he had anywhere in particular go he just hadn't expected today to be another mandatory check in with Vivian his assigned career flexibly like agreed or on the thousand person through the door of a store. You've downloaded the APP to your phone right Yeah I did it before you go Dan Lee picked up the tablet hesitated then pressed his thumb to the screen and handed the device to the technician there is signed Cedar is similar to any sub dermal implant the hub is so thin there is no raised area and once the incision heals you won't be able to see where it is at all the area your manager everyone on the subsidy had one and Vivian insisted he meet with her again before he could leave the building the walk back to her office approach has piece work was all she could handle began to pack up her equipment they had met at least career managers office located in an old weathered out here police struggled to get a shirt on favouring his still frozen shoulder then stretched and stiffly walked over to the only other piece of furniture in this small room in of his back he just scanned first few lines of the incomprehensible agreement why the back why not a leg or an arm took him through a large workspace occupied by empty cubicles with the names of no longer existing departments still visible all had either been replay city themselves he had never been ambitious and although the subsidy didn't quite provide enough to live on most months he somehow made out as east by automated systems or simply shutdown has public budgets shrank he briefly wondered where everyone was now were they doing gigs or on the I was thinking about this a self guided cleaner beeped at him to get out of the way lease mild and stepped into the machines path blocking its way like me adore a few steps away in the central core of supervisor offices Sprung Open Vivian lamb how small but imposing forty something dressed in any people he enjoyed messing with them feigning and Decision on which way to dodge matching the dumb things counter moves until it's tiny I simply gave up and shut down a no nonsense business suit stood in the opening looking impatient that's something only kids do Mr Oni you're almost thirty not unless there's been a mistake in your file come in I don't have much time before the next appointment and I still need to give you the orientation by the time I and carefully scripted explanation as you know with dropping tax revenues and growing deficits we've been forced to cut back on the program which means Eh disengaged from his game with the cleaner and entered the office Vivian was already backed behind her desk reviewing files onto tablets she adding more capable people such as yourself back to work and in the current environment there are fewer and fewer opportunities so when Air Mesh Systems Liam so happy you have agreed to become part of this new initiative do I really have a choice Vivian ignored the question and launched into a well audited and motioned for lead to sit in a chair which somehow managed to force all the tallest clients to look up at her please sit Mr only for this type of work do you have any questions Lee shook his head okay then Mr `honey we are excited for you you are one of the lucky if you please Vivian motion to the door then turned her attention back to one of the tablets which had begun to chime Lee wasn't approached us we had no choice but to pursue their proposal you'll be your own boss Mr Oni a contractor in a brand new field your earnings are only get paid by the gigabyte of traffic handled and credit will be transferred to your account in real time it's that easy and from what I can see in your files your aptitude makes you once we may simply have to stop the subsidy for others we've given you a future if you think of any questions please contact me through the booking APP now limited by the number of hours you WanNa put in as you've been told the company will contact you with jobs you simply show up when and where they ask you to quite sure how he felt has he made his way back through the maze of empty offices to the street somewhere between the dawn and Don Parks subways if and when there wasn't enough work it seemed all too tenuous to him but Vivian had insisted it would be fine that it would be better for him he didn't officials draining and he hadn't quite gotten his head around the idea that he had been kicked off the subsidy the new GIG had no guarantee of income so what would happen if in read on the Air Mash up your GPS indicates you are only four stops from your designated target payment will start once you are the area already Lee griped and pulled his phone out of his pocket she didn't tell me it would start so soon going into his music with a distinctly abrasive synthetic voice fleas be in City Hall by three PM and remain and the zone designator trust her especially since she explained he was one of the first in government industry pilot program his phone buzzed again this time he protested loud enough to make several people standing near him in the crowded car turn to see what his problem was too young women beside him in jeans and Hoodie nations will he felt his phone vibrate against his leg and decided to ignore it he had been zoning out listening to his favorite playlist he found dealing with the fight the unusually hot spring day why would so many people be wearing things like that lease phone vibrated impatiently again please acknowledge your except and with backpacks and scarves edged away Lee didn't care what they thought he was angry when Lee tapped his ear buds to start his music again he noticed the train was unusually crowded for the time of day like the two women most were casually attired but it was the scarves hoodies made him wonder what was going on melts into the streets and disappear on the walk to the coffee shop we had arranged to meet Anita at the sun was hot enough to make him sweat silence of this job by pressing yes on the Air Mesh APP annoyed Lee poked at the icons to open the APP hit yes checked where he was supposed to hang out located in the center of this target zone just off the public square around city hall the place was generally not on his list of hangouts it was to upscale and expense he stopped to check his account on the mobile APP and noticed a small deposit had already been made he laughed and smiled this might be okay then got an idea no one had mentioned how he should spend his time well he was working only that he needed to be in the red zone he thumbed through his contacts. The cafe was an upscale auto mart across a busy street from the City Hall Plaza which was currently empty except for a few mid afternoon shop for someone on the subsidy but it was the only place he could afford in the area a block away his phone buzz acknowledging he had entered the zone explain we meet I'm texting you the address C. They're three awesome the unusual crowd got off at the same station as Lee then seemed stopping at his friend Anita then hit the call button hey there it's Li got time for a coffee it's on me this time I've got this Gig had been his friends since childhood and was always looking out for him no problem how's business better than last month Lee thought for a moment he could feel the skin on his back tingle but the technician had insisted there'd be no sensation when the hub was active out of curiosity out on the subway I needed spotted him and waved him over are you sure you can afford this Lee she questioned Anita Anita looked puzzled. I didn't have a choice volunteer for this new pilot program or get nothing I would have been on the street at first they did and you're blowing the last of your cash here I don't get it Lee smiled and laughed yeah I got bumped off but they forced me into a new pilot program I'm gigging like you I'm working right now or at least my back is I meander through to reach the far side Lee shivered as he pushed through the door into the metallic cool air con and suddenly wished he had worn a Hoodie like hey I guess at least I made something on my last few designs I switched job boards not as many companies posting work there and the jobs are smaller which means that there are fewer people bidding on work and I don't have to discount my rates as much I'll make expenses this month she shrugged then looked critically phone across the table. Look at my account balance see it slowly going off while we're just sitting here Anita gave the screen a perfunctory we I was surprised when you called me didn't think you had the money to blow on overpriced coffee hey I thought you said they were kicking you off subsidy you're not making any sense -ly there's got to be more to it than that no one pays you to just show up and do nothing viscous does attentive personally won't happen Lee laughed it's implanted in my back what's new technology Anita it's my friends buy them a coffee catch up well my back does all the work I'm just the host Anita looked at the phone again and frowned don't know maybe there's a conference or something nearby but that's better for me more money for my time I'll have to stay here until they tell me I can go but I don't care up Dermal biochip the runs off your body I wasn't even sure about this when they told me what I'd be doing but the upside is I can do things like me how was really ticked about it I didn't WanNa do it but it's really not that bad I'm working right now I just have to show up where they tell me to and hang out dance then stopped packing up and stared at Lea- in disbelief I don't get it you're being paid for what it's a new thing Anita started packing up to leave is this just another one of your scams to con someone into buying launch. Sorry I can't afford to subs hubs all you gotTa do is show up wearing when they need you and the hub does the rest and I get paid by the GIG transferred pretty sweet that's a lot of data early why would someone be transferring that much stuff around in the middle of the afternoon in here the Empty Plaza another Gig I've got a good feeling about this Anita I thought this was a bogus way to get me off subsidy then they hit me on the subway not even thirty minutes okay I guess that makes sense you carry around a hub for them but knowing you hear going to forget it wants and get fired you're not the most who knows who cares they sat in silence for a few minutes savoring a moment where neither had to worry about money for once just walking over the machines back paid for half of this stuff already but Anita wasn't paying attention instead she was looking out the plate glass window human staff that's still way out of my league hey with a couple more gigs like this he smiled checking his phone again wow traffic's increasing. Winging Nita Ad Hoc Mesh data nets a new startup Air Mesh systems is partnering with the to take people off the subsidy by turning them into mobile is it this month I'm just getting my head above water okay okay sorry really I'm working look at this lease later it's quite good is great in fact I picked this place Lee admitted 'cause it's high rated in the area unless you go to some fancy join with in no rush what else do I have to do hey I'm going to use some of those credits tobias coffee and snacks from the machines what do you want I owe you lean on after I thumbed the final paperwork it's only going to grow look at my balance don't worry Anita there's no way will eat through it in one meal too closer it's a pro Tesli Anita guest anxiously checking each street for the wall of humanity that would be following the sound did you hear that Anita suddenly twisted her head towards the noise in the distance barely audible there was a muffled sound like that explains why everything is closed the new but why would that company send you here don't know lease weird there's no one here also looks like most of the stores around the plaza closed and it's not a holiday we shrugged hours of this and I'll make my month this is awesome come on let's eat reluctantly Anita followed her friend over to the vending machines curious Anita joined him and together they slid out through the automated door the effect was like someone turning up the volume on us around and made a modest selection well e celebrated to excessively for her comfort but as long as she only he had never thought about the next day thousands of feet mixed with chanting Lee kept his ears with his hands yeah I hear it but I can't tell what it is through the glass let's go outside no leash shook his head I have to stay until they tell me to leave there's nothing on the APP I wanNa keep this Gig let's just go back inside and at the trendy automatic machines lined up along the inside wall that's generously but maybe should go easy on the budget you don't know when you'll get confidence was beginning to leave him. The first soon Nami of protesters emerged from a sidestreet flowing out into the square like muddy rate aging water escaping the confines of riverbanks into the expanse of an ocean who we should go we we can't afford to get caught up in this after Lee paid they took their loaded trays over to a table by the window and settled in Anita tasted her drink experimentally with noisy anger but the protesters were behaving just yelling and chanting at the evidently abandoned City Hall hand painted signs the sound system noise was flooding into the square from every street the chance changed from rhythmic patterns to shouted slogans as the wall of noise drew with slogans such as stop the jobless economy tax the machines and people are not a financial liability floated by the cafe window most of the protests in human flesh it simply evaporated of anything else Lee began to climb out from under the table when the cafe door exploded into thousands of glass beads windows rattling them until both Lee and Anita fearing they were going to break dived under their table for protection water cannon Lee stirs ignored them a few waved encouraging them to join and when they didn't swore at them and banged on the plate glass Leeann Anita decided to move to the back of the asked its public order the water cannons swung past the cafe windows leaving sickly Orange Puddles the die was specifically formulated to stain low rumbling joined the mix then a discordant hiss began to drown out everything an orange hurricane started assaulting the calf the hand-held then looked right at Lea- that's the one take him the harshly lit space was it anyway I don't think we get through the crowds. They watched nervously from inside the automated cafe as the square filled up and overflowed six public order officers dressed in heavy riot gear stormed through plastic shields in front and tasers drawn the one in the lead consultant being away from a point on the other side of the plaza like fish avoiding intruding Predator screams began to emerge from the cacophony outside and a new eh where no one outside could see them but before they had time to get up the casual swarming of the protesters suddenly changed to a purposeful wave rate exactly what we had imagined an interrogation room would be like a stain table too uncomfortable chairs on either side an ancient humming fluorescent ceiling light thankfully they hadn't been interested in Anita but they had warned her not to intercede she was screaming at the Peo- officers last time he had seen her his anxiety Lee lost track of the number of interviews he had been through with a different person each time all had started unannounced predictably they had taken his phone away so Lee didn't know whether a half an hour or half a day had passed since they had arrested him at the automatic cafe out there by a company called Ayer Mesh Systems you also claimed that you had no choice you claim you were on the subsidy and close the door and looked at least skeptically sit down Mr owning he didn't bothered introduce himself and motion to the chair behind while you waited in the old social services building during an appointment this morning with your assigned career manager finally you are insisting you have no idea career manager one Vivian lamb insisted you had to do this or be permanently barred from the program you also claimed this as a new public private Lee hoped she had found her way home safely the door to the room suddenly burst open making the jump he had been pacing around the space trying to wear down and in an immaculate dark blue suit consulting a tablet angled so Lee couldn't see the screen the man took his time to finish whatever he had been reading then she did with Air Mesh Systems to get people off subsidy and you claim an Air Mesh technician implanted biochip mesh hub under the skin of your back the table then waited for Lee to sit but the man remained standing he folded his arms over his chest

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Taking Women From Overwhelmed To Overcomer

Girl Power Alliance

29:47 min | 6 months ago

Taking Women From Overwhelmed To Overcomer

"Welcome to the girl. Power Alliance podcast. You'RE GONNA meet and here from some inspiring women with incredible stories for leading in business and. We are on a mission to impact the world by empowering women to dream bigger. Your Kingdom minded mentoring and leadership. This is where women grow. Welcome back to another episode of the Girl Power Lines podcast. You know I love doing the so much I'm being changed. These amazing women and today's guest is just a phenomenal woman. Let me tell you a little bit about her doctor and Nita. Dr Anita Lee is a wife, a mother of three. She's a wellness coach. Physical Therapist an entrepreneur, a mentor and Speaker. She's using her life. Experience and physical therapy. Know how. She has created a step-by-step solution for modern. Day Mama's to create sustainable holistic lifestyle changes. She's the creator of enjoying your wellness. The Ninety Day private coaching experience worships mothers refocus on their goals, so they can become satisfied with their weight maintain energy become more alert pass on healthy habits to their children and. God with their bodies. Of, kind of a mouthful. But Man. This is so important. I feel like more important now than ever welcome. Anita I think so much for having me or stoke to have you on here. we have our CO founder the beautiful Ms Tiffany joining us today on the podcast I-IF. I'm so excited for you Miss Amita. Favorite Anita tells a little bit more about who you are and You know what brought you to where you're at today? Sure so I am. An Alabama was born born here raised in many places without a military brat However I am back in Alabama I'm a physical therapist. I've been doing therapy for eight years now. Mary to the love of my life Quinten Lee. Who is a principal a high school principal? And I have three kids have eighteen year old. Who will be nineteen next week is crazy, but a six year old and a four year old. Oh, BIG GAP, yeah! So I have the full spectrum of motherhood going on right now. which has been great? What kind of change for me or what kind of got me into being entrepreneur on like I said I was doing physical therapy, and also a stay at home. Mom so I was doing that part time, and the Lord is really laid it on my heart to do something else do something where I could incorporate all of my knowledge that I've learned over the years of physical therapy, but also be able to go deeper with women. Go deeper with You know my patients on my clients and I don't have that time to do that while I'm in the clinic doing physical therapy so. And two thousand nineteen I just started. Writing down started trying to create a vision. Of what I want my business to look like. where I could have that freedom to set my own schedule and still be there for my family, but still make that interest. And I wanted away to merge you know the Physical Therapy and the wellness coaching, but also want it to be able to share my teeth and parenting and womanhood and purpose in nutrition. So that's how my practice came to start in the summer of last year. That's when actually hired a business coach because I. Do not have any formal business training. They don't teach that kind of seven school to. Teach you how to work on people. Feel Better Baidu nights each about making money. So I hired a business coach to show me. You know how to set it up how to create a good foundation. A stable foundation. My business and I did it. I researched split the time researching crapping together to signature programs that I have right now. That encompasses step by step method to get. Mother's from overwhelmed to overcome her. My story is that your tagline from overwhelmed to overcome? Because if it's it should be, that's amazing. That's one of them, but yeah. Well there's a lot in there. There's a lot wrapped up in what you just said and I want to highlight on one area I and maybe. Maybe tiffany has something else that show show. Go into something that really stuck out to me. Was You said you felt that? God was nudging on you like you've felt that. There was this I like to call it this like a hall this push this kind of thing. Can you speak into that? Because I know that there are women listening right now, especially in this like kind of really bizarre season that we've been right and I know that the Lord is raising up women, and they hear this thing and they don't know how to like is. That God do I listen to it. Do I move? Can you speak on that a little bit Anita? Sir and I just WanNa. Tell you. For those of you don't know me which is most were you? Don't owe me you just meeting me, but I'm very safe. Like this me, starting a business was totally out of my character south. Say that if you remember like you starting a business like you're, you're Ms. Safety like you just go to work. Do this and so on new ahead to be. because. It was totally out of my character. and. Like I said I didn't rush into it and I think that's so important when we think we hear from the Lord. God is not one to just hurry and do something really really fast. So. I wanted to make sure that it wasn't just me. You know getting ideas or just seeing you know the you know the the shiny objects in Rome. But I wanted to wait on him. I wanted to pray and also. A seat Golly Council I talked to my pastors about it. I talked to my husband about it, saying hey, does this sound like something that you think you know as God is leading me toward? Is it just me so yeah absolutely? Going into the unknown. Is it scary a little bit? But like I, said you know just being patient, making sure that it's the Lord and not you in seeking that golly council was something that I really did. Awesome. Did you have some tiff? You high did south. My biggest thing with all of our beautiful contributors, so far in our podcast has been the word fear, and I heard you loud and clear when you said I'm safe, right so with you being safe. What is exactly? What does that mean? Because a lot of people have a hard time flipping that small little switch from safe to Oh my gosh I'm jumping off a cliff. Let's go and. With that nudge from God, so we have three different variables right now so. What was your stepping process because I I? Did hear you sees you. You know you're seeking your your council. However, not many people have that opportunity and so. For example just you know how much Michelle I met. I experienced a real niche for the first time where it was loud and clear. How would you say that you had the stepping processes to get to that? Position, but in reality it's actually release Dave when it's got great, so I want you to educate us all 'cause I. WanNA learn from Youtube on exactly the stepping stones at took you to get to that physician. For, sure yes, so to answer questions like what is safe. So in my book. I I'm in the medical field in I know that I will always have job. Being? Someone's always not going to feel good. They're always going to get injured I was going to have surgeries. So that was my definition of safe. Okay is in terms of our income so. Unsafe or Really stepping out on faith is being entrepreneur. It's it's the unknown. And so. I guess I'm trying to answer your question, but definitely not for the faint of heart is Dan. Hot some new courage? Yes, that that's what really it took. It really took courage, and I remember the first time that I was starting to look for like a business coach like give me the pieces to put it together. And when I put the payment through I was like I just spent. I've spent thousands of dollars at school and it wasn't nothing to me, but me am besting in this issue. It was just different. I. Ask you about your coach so. speaking about having godly counsel and looking for a business coach was your. Was Your Business Coach a believer? No. No she she was not a believer and. And that was something I kind of battle with suicide. We'll look for Christian or how does that need to be well? However, she's an expert in wellness coaching. is so I needed somebody who could tell me exactly what to do, so I wouldn't be wasting time and money with starting my company, and so that's what I did, but it also opened up a beautiful friendship, and now I as always openly talk about my face to her, and I told her Hey, my Willis coaching practice is going to be full of Jesus. and everybody's welcome, but just know that scripture is going to be all up in through there and she was like okay. You know so it. It still worked out and I'm glad that it worked out that way. I'm tempted. You have something you wanted to add now so to be to be clear because you're inspiring me right now. I that right so you? You've completely invested now as an entrepreneur. You're like. Oh, my gosh I spent thousands and thousands of dollars on school. But when it came to be an entrepreneur, like what did I just do? Right so again going back to like flipping that switch because I know a lot of women and possibly men on here as well are going to WANNA. Know because we all can relate to you in on this podcast. We we've been able to flip that switch and kind of jump off the cliff, right? That's kind of what it feels like. You're of just like earning spread. What are you? So what inspired you with that with that specific notch? Like? How did you have that I say in. It's a real come to Jesus moment. It's like or you go. You know and you're like okay. I'm listening. What was that moment like for you? And how did you flip that switch? REWIND FROM SAFE to jumping into your fears, which is actually your passion? Yeah I'll actually looked at my wise. Why? Why am I even? Why starting this in the first place are WHA. Why would God even put this on my heart to do because I? Know the if he's entrusted it with me then he has already equipped me to handle. What's about to come up and so I just had to mind in reminding myself okay. Right God's already given me the gift, but I just got to take that step. Right there beautiful beautiful. I. I think so many people can relate to you because the funny thing is, we use this word kind of safe like you. You are a train, your medical doctor, you are trained. You have a very specific skill set in one area and I think our minds. We feel like okay. I have chosen this kind of safe profession, but but really when you have a call on your life that the safest thing to do is to walk in that lane, and I think what I. What I experienced myself and so many other women is there. There comes a point like talking about you like what? What made you flip the switch? Switch. There comes a point in. It's either emotional, or there's something going on at an something uncomfortable. That just doesn't always fit. There's something behind that drive in addition to call because I feel like what God does is he allows circumstances to kind of maybe come to a head, and then all the while he's been back here, saying you know you're going this direction. You're going this direction, but we're. We kinda maybe don't listen and then like circumstances are swirling swirling link finally. You're like okay. He's calling me and this is over here and that's like I. Have No choice but to move into. That was something that was going on. Yes, so yes, like you said it was a call, and it was also just the circumstances of what was going on I I kept thinking of of my reasons. Why that was you know more freedom that I could do with my kids I have two little ones I have one in college so. I needed something where I didn't feel like I was tied down. where I could say nope. I wanted to I. could also still travel in that and so my kids One of them is still at home in Psalm home schooling. As well. And so outside man is now. I have a year before they go real school. So that was another, you know. Push forward, saying okay. We need to go ahead and. Pursue. This thing why you have a little bit of Tom and I think it was A. Perfect timing in that and I really thank God for that. Not Funny like it always is perfect timing when you look back in the middle of it doesn't ally perfect timing. It feels like this is all wrong, but then as you kind of you begin to walk in that space, you're like Oh look at how God perfectly orchestrated. Everything for you know this perfect timing I always think about Burson Esther for such a time as this like all these things that happened that you didn't have any idea about, but then as you step into it. You're like Oh. Look at. He literally laid out every perfect scenario for me. and let me ask you this. Now that, you're you're an entrepreneur, right? You're creating these systems for women. You're really walking in your true authentic south, which I think is our superpower. When you get to lineup, who authentically our mind body spirit your faith your passion. Your skill set. That's your superpower. That's what I believe, but now you're in this space. How has your faith impacted how you interact with your clients? While that's that's a great question. I think my face is the forefront of every interaction and I really try with my heart to make it that way before I start any coaching session, we pray. and just ex Holy Spirit to lead my words and guide us through this and. Anytime you do that anytime. You allow guy to take over you know is always GonNa be great is always going to be good results, and so I just try to to lead in that way, even when I sit down, I'm just planning our. You know prepping for the for the next day. Or what have you always asking got got me Lee show me what I need to do. Show me what I need to research. Right on, and he does. He always shows up. Such. That is such powerful faith and I feel like as women are to I know it's happening for me as as women here this whether they're watching it on the Youtube Channel and senior beautiful face, or whether they're just listening. To what you're saying is encouraging them to to have the courage to step out in faith, because really we talk about faith, and if you've been a believer for any period of time, it's kind of this word that we just throw about, but but the true essence of faith is really like steep encourage, it really takes courage to have faith, because let's face it. None of us have seen Jesus her. None of us have met him right. We don't. We don't audibly. Hear him although I swear, I have audibly heard it, but we don't audit like he's not talking to us. US In the house, so the whole, the whole idea of following the guidance of Christ takes courage, and so I just want to applaud you for being so courageous in following the call in leading your other clients and I'm certain you probably impacts every area of your life like your with your children with your husband and everything right? Would you say that that's true? Yes, always say lead from the overflow. You know if if you're spending time with the Lord and in your. Word Thin got will overflow into every area of your life. There's no way that you can pour out. With nothing in inside of you, and so that's what I just try to do. I tried to. Allow the Lord to operate in every system might turn out to put them in a box and sometimes we do that. Yeah, I've done it before. Say Well God. You can move in here but let me to come over here. No. Give me in the macy's. Not Awesome. Awesome. Did you have something? Now I'm just I'm your admiriable. When it comes to really leading, you know from the Holy Spirit and you know even he said in coaching, being able to pray over women. You know one thing that I. Struggle with, and I don't even think I told you. This Michelle is prayer sometimes I wanNA. Maybe I want to hear your guidance on prayer because you said you pray over your clients before you start coaching. For Women, who have a challenging time like myself? We'll be very vulnerable praying. Where coming up with the right where we think we have to be perfect, we're talking to God right. To give the message, it can really say everything that you want. And I would love to hear your guidance your chips on prayer because you know being able to have that gift of prayer I, think really speaks volume into really ask him a Lord. What it is that you that you're clear on, and even your circumstances, so I'd love to hear how you became strong in your prayer. Yeah so one thing that I do first of all prayer is just talking to the Lord like you said is. We don't have to put all the Dow's and this and Thou father who art in. We don't have to do all that. We just need to talk to him. Just like a father talk, sue. They're out and and listen. But as far as praying, a prayer lives in praying every day. Something that I do is journal. I really encourage if you feel like I, just can't get into prayer or I don't know what to say. Start writing out your prayers just start writing out what you would say to the Lord and but if their request you know, there's different types of brain, but if there's like a prayer requests like Laura I need you to I. Don't know, provide a way where I can just talk to my kids a little bit better. I've just really been hard on them lately. You know right that out, and then you can go back. You know weeks from now and say Oh God. You didn't answer that prayer I. Thank you. Thank you for doing that, so. journaling is really helped me. In that and also praying, the scripture is another easy thing that you can do. Got Yet it's powerful is his word. So Say for instance some twenty three. The Lord's my shepherd I shall not want so. Surprised that back to God you would just say got us. Thank you that you're my shepherd. I don't I don't need anything. Because you provide everything boom you know you just pray back his word and. It's effective because it's sharp in his word. That helps is. That helps not but notebook. It just help women feet understand what nudges me. You know, and also going back to see how God really does answer. You know that's why I wanted to dig deeper with that because it's so powerful. The right type of mentality around it what I took down was, and I hope everyone listening heard this is. Speak to him like it's your father like it's your father. He is are having father. Yes, you know, and he's going to guide us. Mentor US in love US, and and make sure that we're going to be quote unquote save even when it's unsafe. So that was really really powerful. Thank you for that. Did you enjoy that Michelle? Oh, I'm just soaking it up and I'm I'm listening I'm listening to you speak and the word that keeps like I've said it a million times so sorry, but God is just showing me. You are such a woman of courage, even praying with your clients like that like Tiffany said Tiffany bobbies exactly like that like He. For Real, he feels nervous uncomfortable. Praying out loud, because feels like he doesn't know the right like it's not this eloquent beautiful thing I'm like it doesn't have anything to do with that, so I can totally relate to what you're saying, but I'm listening to. Anita Dr Anita as somebody that. Maybe you know you have these inklings, but what you're saying is going to be so wildly encouraging to so many women. I'm so grateful to have you, and it makes me even more grateful for so many things. That God's led the foundation for here at the Girl Power Alliance one of the things that we will do in the in the private communities. We're going to do live prayer calls. And so I'm excited about that. Tiffany, because this is an opportunity for you to stretch that because I believe that's another skill because what happens in the beginning, is you know? When you first start praying out loud, it's super awkward. I think and maybe even uncomfortable for some, but the more you tap into it, the more the and I know I know you're going to speak to this doctor Anita that the more you tap into that, and the more you practice that skill that the Holy Spirit will speak through you, and you'll be able to respond to it by speaking out in prayer, but it only happens because you've done it. Do you notice that when you're playing with your clients? Yes like I, said I didn't I have not always been like this. And that was my prayers. Like guy helped me to be more both for you. I I WANNA be able to. Feels uncomfortable. You know not to go off my feelings and just go what you say you had to do. And so. Yeah, absolutely just just jumping right in I can remember just many times working with with clients and patients even in and Gaba light you need to. You need to dig a little deeper at next this question and they'll just start taking that mask. Start crying bawling porn their heart out. White Wow God. I did I sign up for this. Yeah you did. I wanted to not. Has especially as gods women. And especially as levers, we all have our Dustin, greatness ray, and you said something very powerful. God, help me be more bold for you. Yeah, he is designed us. To go out and lead. and. That was really powerful, especially as believers in especially as women that knowing that God has has created us to be so special and have not powerful message. What where can you provide you know maybe some valuable net we call it nuggets, you know just give you giving us a little tips to really understand how to even tap ru into our greatness and understand that we are designed to help God spread the message of of what's really inside us. It's renewing the mind daily. That is the best answer I can give. Because when we renew our minds in the word of God, that's just simply reading scripture. Then, we can start to talk like him then we can start to think like him. And you don't have to make it hard. reading one scripture start out with one scripture they. Meditate on it. Meditate dismays the chew it up. Swallow to it again. And try to apply that one scripture everyday are just one scripture every week you know, make it bite so that you can start to see like your mind. Being renewed in your mind chains, our flesh does not want to talk about Jesus it does. It would rather just you know. Do a little job door. Little work. Make our money. 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Santa Anita Derby & QuikTrip 500 - Betting the Board with Brian Blessing June 4, 2020

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Santa Anita Derby & QuikTrip 500 - Betting the Board with Brian Blessing June 4, 2020

"Lowest. Here on this Thursday June fourth edition of being the Book Radio My name is Ed Burke your host for the next half hour, so we chat Nascar and some horse racing stuff with the Senate needed Derby and the undercard with Brian blessing the host of sportsbook radio and Vegas hockey hotline. Keep the intro short and sweet here today. I've already done the better. Betting podcast for Thursday, so you check that out written content coming on the Santoni Derby over at the Book Dot Com have already done the preview for UFC two fifty as well as this weekend's NASCAR race Atlanta Motor, speedway the folds of honor. Quick trip five hundred. We'll be doing in expanding series preview as well here today. In the daily K B, O article going on over there as well as you know this edition of Bang. Book Radio presented by our friends over at. sportsbook BTV and the number two hundred. Is that Promo Code One hundred percent deposit match the sportsbook one hundred percent deposit match bonus for the live casino at the. It's only a game until you bet we bring our guests today. That is Brian blessing the host of sportsbook radio and Vegas Hockey Hotline Bright House today man. All Right Adam. Yeah, no big day. the casinos in Las Vegas not the majority of them, but a significant amount of them reopened it midnight and see people strutton through casinos again. What concept all right look? Look Nice in busy downtown and a the strip properties I believe opening up here in the morning so. Hey good to see Vegas back on its feet a little bit. Obviously, it's GonNa take a long period of time to make up for the lost revenue and everything that was paid out during the whole shutdown and everything, but like you said Nice to see the town kind of coming back to life, and I'll be curious to see how things go with the temperature screenings given that its surface of the sun hot out there again. Yeah that'll be interesting A really wonder about that. In terms of I'm no doctor, but if you're you, you're out site for bit income in. It would stand to reason your body temperature is a little spiky. Goodness for too because you're going to start hopefully doing some your live remotes here again on Fridays and get some of the advertisers back for your shows as well so. It's. I'll tell you what man it feels like. It was a long period of time that was really only about two and a half months, but it is nice to see the town coming back and obviously missed out on March madness, and all that kind of thing, but at least like you and I've talked about the NBA seems like they're kind of finally. You know formally announcing their plans. Plans July thirty first for a quick little tournament and the playoffs. We've talked a lot about the NHL Major. League baseball is going to have to figure this thing out because they probably won't have a season next year, or maybe, in two thousand and twenty two, at least the last four and a half five months here of twenty twenty twenty should be very exciting out there in Cincinnati. Oh Yeah I mean you know the the summer could be insane. We're usually you're catching your breath before football. We're waiting to see. What the deal B with college football. But the NBA you mentioned their plan and we've already got series prices up on hockey now. The plans are their plans are wonderful. But. Let's see how this thing all shakes out and. I don't know. Can you tell me the next two weeks of we'll see you will. We'll see what the virus dozen the next two weeks where. A lot of people seem to be. have not been social distancing of late. Yeah. Ask for a way out. How's that for a way to put it? Yeah? It's it's a fair question. I know a lot of city. Mayors Kinda talking about that here lately. Kinda wondering how this thing progresses and I saw Les Lately I. Would They not talking about it the minute it started? I know man I know. It was funny I saw something from Saint Louis News source today about how they've yet to find any cases from the lake of the ozarks where they had the big Memorial Day parties and everyone was out there on their boats and everything so. I don't know we'll see I. Has Been pushed to the back page of the paper so to speak well well that that's happened. Let's just hope that. In actuality it's been pushed aside. I guess we'll wait and see here, but. I guess one other thing I. Want to ask you about before we dig into this horse racing card, and and this weekend for Nascar. The Henderson Silver Nights Oh. What a what a creative name! They came up with there. was like one of the worst kept secrets. Everybody knew that, but I mean. They made a big deal they did. you know presentation. got the logo and very much. Making it the Henderson of that, you know they're entrenched in that community, so it's the Henderson Silver Knights. It makes complete sense. From the Organization's point of view, you're able to scout these guys easily the. Management Key. He'll get to see them. Play instead of reading reports and looking at videos of these guys are right here. The Dangling Carrot. And it's a merchandising homerun. They're building the new arena. They're going to start at the Orleans and it will be affordable for people. A lot of people can't afford to go to the Golden Knights game. So that's the good news. The bad news is that basically half of the GEL. They're not on. Those teams are owned by parent clubs. Yeah, these are individual guys with some bucks in smaller markets. You tell me I. You know the Hershey Bears. There's no TV deal if there are no fans at these games I don't know about the sustainability of the American Hockey League so the next three weeks. It sounds great today. There's still trying to figure out the NHL in the age of the oxygen. Tank Gate receipts, and we're not talking about sports fans as today. The AHL's a tough one. I mean you've got a team here in Cleveland like the monsters own Dan Gilbert where money's not really a factor for him. Obviously, he's you know with quicken loans and all this other business interests, but. Talking about a team like Hershey where her she draws extremely well, and in fact, they've been a very good team for a long period of time. I mean they're a fixture in that local community, and like you said they make their money literally offer the gate they don't have. They're not backed by some. You know big ownership group or backed by the parent club or something like that. They've got attendance and that's what helps them. Pay The bills and. And like you said I mean not not all the teams. The AHL are set up like that. I'll be really curious to see how many of these teams make it, and furthermore, if teams do have to shutdown, don't get assistance from the League or something else your then you get into the question of affiliations where you're going to have maybe players from two different organizations play together on the team. How is playing? Time divvied up things like that. It could be a big time mess for the AHL. That's something I I didn't really think about until you just mentioned it there. It's a massive. I mean wh. What do you do next year? Okay or your back up and running with the NHL. The impact would be if the is not there. The the roster size probably has to go to thirty because guys are GONNA. Get hurt and where the body's GonNa come from if the age els out there Oh. Oh, by the way the roster. The roster size is going to go up at the salary caps coming down. It's a nightmare. It is and it's Echa. Alice is they're gonNA have more problems than the age. L. Because those teams aren't actually own by the NHL, clubs so in a way in development I mean. How are these go? Some kid that two years from now. Develops into a solid third line NHL Winger. You're basically could scrap a year and a half of their development, and these guys Y- these guys. Their careers go off the tracks It's the tentacles on every facet of what's going on is just. It's incredible. We hope you're hope against hope. that. Things come back to normal I. mean took sweet. But if they don't, the repercussions are felt. Massively down the road. The they're talking about? teams will have their prospects just hanging around at team facilities, you know. You know scrimmaging each other. They're already talking here. They're talking about the seven teams in the playoffs this year that if they return. These guys will be off skates for nine months. They're talking about putting together some deal for the seven teams that missed the playoffs this year like one big massive, not tournament, but you know a scrimmage training camp kind of thing just so that these guys. Who Have you great careers going? Some individuals on bad teams, but also skates for nine months. What are they GONNA? Look like a year. Yeah, you know it's major league baseball to know they've cut a bunch of the low affiliate teams, the low eighty, the alien types of teams. They've released a ton of minor leaguers over the last couple of weeks. Guys that weren't going to make it, but they were guys that were filling out rosters and guys that were giving these top prospects that start in you know high, A. or rookie, ball, or something like that the opportunity to actually play games, so they're cutting a bunch of Minor League affiliates out and that joke. Joke from College Baseball, a double a is very significant. I mean this isn't like the NFL or the NBA where you can walk off a college field. Go play in the pro game just fine. There's a learning curve to Major. League Baseball Nhl you can walk out of junior college player in the NHL right away, but a lot of guys do that. Development Aid Joe Route to. It's a mess. Man and I don't know I don't know how that gets rectified. You know what I mean. Major. League baseball doesn't pay their minor leaguers. Let alone own any minor league teams. Really some teams don't even get any help from the parent club. It's rough. Man It. It's a it's a tough thing out there. Sports as we know it and these things were happening already. But, obviously you know covid certainly sped up the process quite a bit. College Football College basketball. Guys. That are this big year. To get a payday get drafted. We'll see we're hoping. You're definitely hoping and hoping for. A better car than how things look on the surface for this weekend at Santa Anita. You've got the Santa Anita Derby. You've got the Santa Anita Oaks you've got the Hollywood Gold Cup you got quite a few. Prestigious horse races, they don't really have prestigious fields. And then we have mentioned this couple of weeks ago. When we got the date for the Bell, being June twentieth, we kind of said well, that kind of takes away from the Santa Anita Derby, because maybe some of the horses would have been pointed towards the Derby to later run in the wood, memorial, or the bluegrass or something else over the summer. Then they say the is going to go off June at a shorter distance, and it kind of took away from some of the luster I guess of the Santa, Anita Derby. The Belmont part of it. In the. Way they revamped the triple crown. But, I think a large part of it was. The field size joke the men's cards. Usually when you get the same derby or a big race, the UNDERCARD is amazing. The undercard disaster these three races are. Two horses have to fall down to lose one race. Maybe there's two horses can lock horns here. But I think the broader picture. Is that a lot of the? Established trainers? They've hit the bricks. They went to Churchill. They went to New York. I think I think they're the real uncertainty. In California we're this got shut down. Yes, it's back. But at some point, a lot of the trainers have what do we do? We're waiting for where we get word it. Give me some word got no word. They bolted. You know. Some of high-profile trainers in California went to Oaklawn, and then right over to Churchill downs nene them now now put up sticks in New York at Belmont, so it's horse population horse racing. I'm telling you where it begins and ends and this this is the definition of a the challenges of getting a younger newer clientele. Hey, maybe horse racing was a small winner that it was the only thing going on through this entire pandemic and people that never looked cross eyed at horse racing were better the little bit. Maybe they'll bet occasionally down the road, but the bottom line is war horse. Horse racing to be successful it begins and ends with the horse population. You gotta give the better than opportunity to make some these are thoroughly non interesting. Nine I mean okay great to watch. Really good horses run out, but in a five worst field. It's like a glorified morning workout, and there's no no defined wagering opportunities. I don't believe on this entire card. It's almost the turn to page. So! We will get elsewhere Saturday. We take a look here at the Senate needed Derby because what we said. We're GONNA talk about it, so we're going to talk about it. We'll talk about a couple of other races on the card. As well friars road in the post. One is twenty two one Rushie in post two eight to one shooter shoot six to one. This is a stakes debut actually for shooters shoot. WHO's the third favorite on the board? So that gives you an idea of the strength of the back part of this field and adore is ten to one from post four. Fifteen to one post five, and then the two that are expected to finish first and Second Otter. Is Five to two authentic six to five. Three year old son of into mischief a Bob Baffert horse and this to me. It sounds like the one that you think has to fall out to lose. By open lanes in every race honoree, AP's Ice Horse and their three year olds, and yet John sheriffs have this one sitting on tilt, but he looks like a need to lead type. His best running three races had to be on the front end. And from the outside, even on top of it now, authentic honoree pinned to the inside and is the controlling speed and. Son, of intimacy, and these intimacy forces was just I know we've talked about it on the podcast in the past We had that horse last week in Are we had a big race. Would raging bull one on the TURPS? Santa Anita on the undercard. The race before in terms of the daily double. BAFFERT had a first time starter. Look like a monster in an into mischief or breaking from the rail, which is tough, one beat him at twelve, the one so watch for into mischief horses, the sire intimate. So Just a monster I believe honoree p. i. what I'll tell you the one thing. In terms of making some dough I've actually had some really good success. The last bit. With these horses that go up at three to five or or one to nine you go. There's no money making opportunity those races. It's the one that is that good and should win in dominant fashion. Generally he discourages the other horses. He's competing and contending with so when that horse kicks in and starts to run away. The other horses in the lane get dispirited so just a general rule of thumb you get some really nice exact is by playing that one nine three to five type horse. And play the best closer in the race, because the Horse will save this horse and live to fight another day, and they're backing out and the horse that just is the best closer runs his race and runs up and completes a really good exact, so you know in that regard if if you were looking for. A bit of a price, the best closer. Figure wise on paper is. Coast but I think the one analyst door. What rain in the Arkansas, Derby and that was a horse. I know that I'd included the one thing. I will tell I love the jockey. Change their come into California. Victor Espinosa's on money riders so. I'd probably go authentic with ANU door second. Door. Phenomenal run in the Breeders Cup juvenile last year in November on this track at Santa. Anita hasn't really done much since and a really bad run the risen star with Joel, Rosario, not a great run in the Arkansas Derby finished fifth nine, and a half lengths back, but Charlotte in base in were in that race, and those were obviously two very very good horses. They're so. That's the thing it's sort of. The Science of horse racing is you know trying to maximize your investment? A little bit and I get very guilty of doing this playing box trifle does and stuff like that, but that may be the science here on Saturday at Santa Anita is like you said you've got these clear-cut favorites that really have no excuse, but trying to find something a little bit more creative to kind of enhance. Your investment may sort of be the way to go, and it could be the way to go in this race. No, in the exact can actually pays off that I will say this though the outdoors kind of the definition of what we're talking about. When we talk about the difference between a two year old and a three year old and the new structure, they have for points instead of money points gets you into the Kentucky Derby is so much better than what it used to be where the horse would win. The Delta Jackpot is a two year old, a million dollar race, and automatically get a one of the gates of the Kentucky Derby, and then the horse turns out to be glorified. Phony by the time it's a three year old and door as a two year old. Monster Maiden win just missed in the Breeders Cup. Juvenile just missed in the grade to low south Futurity, and then the two races a three year old horses run up the track twice. So that's the difference. A horse can be completely different night and day from two to three. One more thing I'm GonNa, ask you about what this race just SORTA. Maybe a technical handicapping element that we can do in general because again this fields not great, but you look at Flavian, Pratt. The jockey was going to be writing Rushie. WHO's in the to post here? And as I said rushy eight to one here in this race previously for Mike McCarthy, he was writing friars road. WHO's making his stakes debut here from the one post? It's Giovanni Franko. So flavian Pratt same trader changes horses. That is that kind of assigned you does that kind of signal anything for you? Well in large part, it's part of the daily Rubik's cube is. Is You know we talk about the trainers? And we talk about the jockeys, the most important guy on the track and winter handicap and the jocky agent, because the jocky agent, the guy that puts his jock where he thinks his guy has the best chance to win now. That's not always the case. Because, the bottom line is You could get quality jockey whose wants to be on. Another horse in a certain race, but he's going to stick to the guy the trainer. That's his meal ticket on a three hundred sixty five day basis every year. He's GonNa. Get this one opportunity, but I don't WanNa. Take off this trainer because I'm going to get on a dozen. It horses for him down the road. If I don't ride his horse today, he gets mad at me. I lose the Mount on eleven other horses, so it's not always black and white. Is you're thinking is? Less. Layoffs you'll get authentic. Authentic hasn't raced since March seventh honor, AP same thing both of them going off in the San Felipe stakes, which authentic win on our AP was second. You've got other horses like Russia like Friars Road just ran, may second they've run twice since March seventh on March fourteenth, and may second. What does that matter to you? What does the layoff being from a handicapping standpoint? It could be. There's a lot of ways to go. You've got to look at the works works matter. How the trainers got the horse tuned up and so you start with what you're looking at in the morning. The other thing you could look at it as a form cycle in many instances. Cheaper horses third race off the off layoff. It's supposed to be technically there. Till they're untilt right third race in a form cycle, the horse should be tuned up in ready to run its best race. When you're talking high quality horses like this. It's all about soundness and fitness so. The class. How you treat ores up. Again is night and day different when you're talking to the class of the horse. All right, so we cycle back from race eight, which is the Santa Derby to race five the Santa Anita. Oaks agreed to race here for three year old fillies, two hundred thousand dollar purse, one and one sixteenth mile for this one and. Swiss skydiver is is I mean. There are a couple of interesting horses in this race with skydivers should win. This race has won her last two races. The Gulfstream Bark Oaks, and the fantasy stakes winning those that what nine to one and sixteen to one now she's GonNa. Find yourself to favorite for Ken. mcpeek, N., a new writer and Mike, Smith. Is this a horse that you know? Maybe the price is going to be a little bit too inflated. Oh. No. This is GonNa take a truckload of dough now a repeat of the last race in the grade. Three fantasy at Oakland is probably good enough to get it done here. The I! If you're looking for you know again is a three year old filly. These horses can change overnight. This may be the more competitive race of the three and the the Swiss skydiver. The one thing you've got to be. Is the versatility of speed and the ability to rate or to come from off the pace I like that versatility. The one thing though is this will be her first race over the surface, at Santa Anita which you know, you can take a look at a guy like Brad who's just an incredible writer that's run twice at Santa Anita and finished second in both of those races, but at least has the end and then. Ran a monster race. At Oakland it almost the kind of the same kind of figures in a cheaper race at Oaklawn, so so the two of them are coming back to Santa Anita the difference for speech could make be the difference maker is the fact that she's had a couple of races over the surface but beyond that I mean it's to me. It's these two. Only a five field here one of them is Mur neath I believe it's pronounced. Four Bob Baffert, with drain, Van, Dyke in the mount their. He wrote actually the sources I. Race finished second one length off the win there at Santa Anita. But this is a daughter of American Farrow and obviously when you see American Pharaoh in the blood line, people are going to get really really excited. We talked about intimacy if early and a lot of three year, olds tend to be doing really well for into. Do you feel like people may overvalue. American Pharaoh children because. Of the name I mean we don't have a whole lot of data set of American feral horses running in these races here, because obviously American Pharaoh, not that far removed from winning the triple crown, so feel like seeing that may overvalue some of those horses, or should we trust that American? Pharaoh did as a runner will translate for for being a sire. Is You're right about they get wild when they see that I would say this to. There are some American Pharaoh. Horses that are monsters but I would say to you. Horses sired by into mischief to me are far more consistent where. They just run all the time. Some American Farrell's or monsters. Some are still figuring it out. I get excited when I see into mischief more than I see American Farrell on a piece of paper. Should we pay more attention to the dam the mother? How much does that factor in for you because? They don't run the higher the highest profile races. Well. Known and I. You know I should. the the one damn, but the problem is a sire can sit there and spit out. You know a hundred horses a year. And the the dams doing one right I mean there's the difference and was a a damn. Why should I probably could look it up and It was like the Hor-. The dam had two of her babies to three babies ended up winning the Belmont You know so. Damn and a runner, but yes, the dams. There so. So, few horses they produce is the big difference, and and honestly the the amount of work in the dig takes to find out about the damn. Is Pretty Daunting. What more race to talk about here for the Senate I need a card. The Hollywood Gold Cup stakes grade one race here three years old, and up three hundred thousand dollar purse, one and a quarter mile here and this is one where we've got a lot of data points. We've got a lot of racists here for the horses in the field. Obviously a lot of them have pretty good bloodlines as well as you would expect right now. You've got some DOTS here on race. Ted, which again, a small six Horsfield. Yeah the an interesting one is parsimonious. And this horse won the curling stakes over and Dubai generally speaking sources. Come back from Dubai and it takes them a long time to recover, but Doug O'Neill can be sneaky sometimes, so there's. The connection. Stick out like a silver thumb. It's Doug O'Neill and read them racing, and they had triple crown success and Gutierrez has been to riders. That's sneaky wanted to watch that you might get a good price on, but generally I I pass on horses like that, but to me. It's made core John. Sheriff's is the trainer. And this horse, three of the last four is. Coming off a shelf, but a short break march seventh, but three the last four races. With buyer figures that exceed the century mark, which is pretty impressive, and I think is the controlling speed in the race and I think we'll take some beating here now. If there's a speed duel, the overlaid price you might get, and maybe it comes down because of WHO's in the irons, but If there is a speed duel watch out for higher power This one can I think stage a big run from off the pace? This race? That's featuring a lot of tactical speed and I think Pratt such a smart writer I. Think he sits back here in hopes for a speed duel, and that could be the one that gives you a bit of a price, but again the the price will be deflated just because of the field size. Episodes, interesting, especially because you got a mile and a quarter and you know there are a lot of horse races, the go a mile and a quarter, and you know obviously we've talked. We've told that story before about when I had to pick five at oaklawn and got that one and three quarter mile race, it was just an endurance race and. Didn't wind up cashing that pick five, but you know my quarter. Obviously, it's not as outlandish as a mile and three quarters, but you'll get a lot of these sources, and it's a mile and an eighth. Sixteenth stuff like that now. These horses are all older I believe all of them are. Four or five years old year, so they've done the distance, but. Still I mean you start looking at different style of runner, right? You start looking more towards the closers. The longer the race goes. the really long races. And you're thinking. Oh, it doesn't that long stretch. The Walker the racist. It's almost it's almost reversed the longer. The races speeds tend to up. I mean because the pace. Doesn't ensue, because even the horse want to go to the front going to the front, but no, they have to go so far that they're trying to slow it down upfront, so it's funny. It's more. It's more speed balls in and in stalkers to the point that they're sitting right behind the pacesetter, and generally speaking the pace in these long races doesn't set it up for the closer. That's coming from far back. Interesting that's definitely not the way I would think about it like I said I would think about the other way so I'm glad that you mentioned that kind of set me straight a little bit there and I'll write a preview for the Santa Anita Derby over the Book Dot Com. I'll write up some thoughts on the other races as well like this. Gold Cup race I like the Santa Anita Oaks. You've got a very very very expensive Bob. BAFFERT horse I believe in the Sixth Race Sedan or Whatever, however it's pronounced, very expensive. There Dr Son of curling. That will be a horse that gets a lot of run one that you may want to watch down the line here running six and a half furlongs here for the first time this weekend. Right up a lot of that stuff over at being the book Dot Com something else over at the website now. Now preview of the folds of honor. Quick trip five hundred down at Atlanta Motor speedway first time outside of the Carolinas here aside from that Bristol race and we had over the weekend that Bristol. Race Mad short-track. We figured things to be a a little bit chaotic and sort of played out that way with Elliot and Lugano Coming Together with three laps to go. The racing in NASCAR good for them. I mean these races have been spectacular? No fans, but they've done their job. provided entertainment something for us to bet on. And in this particular race Boy. Hate to be chock eater, but I will tell you at Atlanta Motor speedway of late. It's been a two-horse race. Brad Kazlauskiene. Has a couple of wins here of late then he'd be the first one to tell you. The good fortune was a big part of both of those winds. But? He's also had some really good success at Atlanta Motor speedway, so he would be in the hunt but I. Say to you that last year. This race Kazlauskiene was the winner. and. Double Check Kevin Harvick fourth the year prior to that Kevin Harvick was the winner the year before that Kazlauskiene was the winner a catching the trend. Here you know who actually run well here had a couple of wins, any kind of fallen off the map in terms of getting into winter, circle but Jimmy Johnson won back to back years in two, thousand, fifteen, two, thousand, sixteen. His car's actually really good this year, and he's been a contender. I think there's a price play opportunity with Jimmy Johnson this week. But to me the races all about Kevin Harvick, because it just seems. Out a weekly basis, he's got a car. That's a rocket sled. That's the thing you know a lot of drivers of at speed this year across all three manufacturers as we've talked about him in Chevy shown great speed. Chase Elliott's benefactor in every race. He's been in Alex Bowman's got a couple of wins already even go Kurt. Busch has been quite a factor and Kurt. Busch has been pretty damn good at Atlanta's well. He's had a few. Few. Top Five here. Recently he's in that thirteen and a half fourteen to one range Clint Boyer's number. That's really come down here. He's with Ford, but that's come down from. That was open the forty five range earlier in the week down to twenty two one now so if you're able to take advantage of that one. That was a good price played at grab. I'll tell you what we're back in one and a mile track here and. He hasn't had the best of cars. He hasn't been talked about at all. I've got a sneaking suspicion that Martin junior is up around the front of the pack here this weekend, so maybe not to win, but again obviously you've got all those different group matchups available. I don't know what it is. Joe Gibbs racing hasn't been as dominant this year. Kyle Busch still doesn't have a win, but true exit history of one and a half mile tracks. I'm kinda starting to come around to him a little bit. He's contending in the EMMYS running up there. It seems like he's a cylinder off or something. He's there. But, he just doesn't seem to be one of the dominant cars and he's and he's had calamities and stuff like that goes in streaks, the one guy. We really can't talk about any race right now. Without saying and I and I, I was saying this at the beginning of the year, and it may very well be the I would make a play. I think it could be this year. There's not a doubt in my mind. In subsequent years, he could win consecutive year. Chase Elliott I think can win win the championship, but Elliott's contend in every week every week and you can make the case. He should have won the last three races. Yeah. Can I mean he's? He's been right there week after week after. Accidents on the final lap twice. When he was GonNa win the one race when Bush took them out. Absolutely he was winning that race that was given ham was tires. He was gonNA pass them in the next half lap, and then the skies opened up. And then you know. He made a mistake this time around. He dove into the corner too hard, and he and Llegado got tangled up at the tail end of that race, but the bottom line is Elliott sitting right there with a chance to win every race. This one should be really interesting. Because again you're. You're just over a mile and a half as we know Charlotte's a mile and a half track, but the racist. Charlotte were definitely very interesting. You've got Darlington where it's kind of. It's one point, three six six miles, or whatever it's sort of intermediate, no way kind of tighter racing surface. Then you get Bristol where you get. More condensed track. We see what happens. You get a lot of cautions you get a lot of rubbing tight racing. Now we're backing another mile and a half track where we generally get a lot of cautions, so I'm curious to see here. You know practice qualifying again. Is this all about the car? Or because we don't know where the racing groups are and stuff like that, do we get? More calamity filled mile and a half race. I'm not sure well. We get the speed race. The favourite's hold up like you've talked about with a harvick like in Elliott something like that. If we get a little bit more, you know more variance that things could get really interesting. Well. It's mostly about the car. And then pit strategies can help out and again. We talked about this before Kazlauskiene. They do alternative pit strategies. They find ways for him to hang around races and he's won two of them because of it. He was just there when stuff happened in front of them, but in terms of the dominant cars I'll give you a guy that just seems to. For whatever reason? The car seems to go away on them as the racist progress, but a guy who has had one of the top three cars. In the last. Whatever it's been three weeks is Alex Bowman. Bowman scar been dominant at times in in the first half, two thirds of races, and then it kind of gets away from him, but any eight to one I hate the price. But he's had a car. That's been a contender, but if you're saying to me eight to one or Jimmy Johnson at sixteen to one who's been in contention with a resume of having one here before I think Jimmy. Johnson's a little appealing this week, but I to me. If harvick's cars, right? He's GonNa win. He he co Harvick is really. He's a horse for course kind of Guy I. Mean You you the Phoenix Race? You know you don't even bother bitten to win. 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In The Gate #406 - Santa Anita Suspends Racing

In The Gate

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

In The Gate #406 - Santa Anita Suspends Racing

"It ought to be. This is in the gate ESPN's. Thoroughbred racing podcast. My name is Barry Abrams. You can follow me on Twitter at be Abrams voice or on Facebook at Barry Abrams voice. You can also get us on our YouTube channel by searching in the gate podcast. You can get us on soundcloud as well. Get us at the I tune store or tune in dot com. You can get us on that little pink pod catcher app on your phone. You might not even know you have a now you can subscribe to win the gate in the listen tab of the ESPN app for the full in the gate experience of scribe now in the listen tab of the ESPN app Santa Anita racetrack opened for its eighty second. Famed winter meeting the day after Christmas as it always has. But since that day twenty one horses have died there. Most in either racing or training accidents last week the track cancelled two days of training. So the surface could be examined renowned racing surface expert, Dr Mick Peterson declared San. And a ready to go and racing resumed on Thursday. But then another fatality struck on Saturday during a race. And this week said Nita officials decided to suspend racing and training indefinitely. So the track surfaces can be examined more closely that leads to a whole host of questions, first and foremost, the need to reschedule all of the stakes races, most notably the San Felipe bay the Kentucky Derby prep race. That was supposed to be the season debut of the top two contenders. To win the run for the roses Breeders Cup juvenile champ and two year old champion game winner and multiple stakes winner improbable both trained by Bob Baffert. The Santa Anita handicap the big cap is also among the big races affected by the situation to try to shed some light on what's going on. We're grateful to have with us. Tim writ fo the chief operating officer of the strana group which owns and operates Santa Anita when you closed the track last week and make Peterson came in started looking. Ng at the track surface. I imagine he must have had a game plan for what he was looking for. But now that this is happened again, where do you even start in coming up with a game plan to figure out what is going on? Yeah. We put another set of eyes with Dennis on it. I mean MC Peterson's, you know, one of the Gu's the industry did everything was that needed to be done. We've pulled back to surface. We looked at the base which was in excellent condition. We had soil analysis done. And the good thing is we've had been doing soil analysis for the last five years every week. So he had a good baseline to look at what we had before all the reins, and what we had after the range to see if there was any separation of the material. There was no separation put it all back, and we still feel completely comfortable. I mean, unfortunately, these incidents attributed to a bunch of different factors. So we still feel comfortable that the tracks in good shape. But there comes a point where you just have to basically start right from scratch and look all over again. And just make sure we miss anything. Obviously, the timing of this with your big weekend coming up is catastrophic but all of those other races, including the big cat can be rescheduled other. I know the. Big cap is always been that first weekend of March going back to the days of seabiscuit. But the big one is the San Felipe because of the progression toward the Kentucky Derby, where are you in all of those mechanisms? Yeah, this time we really can't say I mean, most of first and foremost is right to help safety of the horses. I mean, obviously for people that are aiming for the big races and the triple crown races and being an ex trainer and jockey myself. I completely understand, you know, sympathize with those people that are, you know, have these great horses keying up for maybe once in a lifetime opportunity, but at the same time that cannot wait a masses of what's happened. And we really have to just take a step back. Take a look at everything to track conditions. Everything horse would have to look we all have to look at our selves and figure out what what's going on here. And you know, it's just one of those things where we group and unfortunately, the health and safety of the horses the horse the Klein is in the human. Athletes has to come first and foremost over scheduling of future racist. It's just some we have to know, obviously, you would need cooperation in the southern California area to move racing around there. And to that extent, Los Alamos has made several hundred stalls bailable on a short term basis so horses can ship in there and train you do own. The strana group owns Portland meadows up in Oregon is that under consideration as a place to move the racing short-term? So everything's under consideration. We haven't considered that yet. I mean, Portland just finished. It's me, and it's closed up. But you know, we're hoping that we can really get a grasp of this take a look at everything. I mean, if we would've Scott something that was a longer term than we would consider those factors. But right now, we appreciate doc reaching out and giving an opportunity for some of those guys to train over there. Because you know, as we continue to. Research this, and when we decide to open back up for training, we need to give the horsemen and horses an opportunity to train before we even think running and making sure that we're comfortable. And then once we are then we will decide on what the schedule looks like moving forward, you mentioned Dennis Moore as coming back to help Dr Peterson Dennis more for those who don't know with the track superintendent at Santa Anita for four years and retired on December thirty first the fact that all of this has happened largely since he last was involved in day to day. Is there a connection to be made there now? No, no, that's that's it would be a bad assumption. Any Araca has worked under Dennis. And and great trucks. Pretendants? Dennis was always around. Dennis was always more of a consultant and advisor, sa- Dennis's influences are always still there. The fact that it rains sixteen and a half inches would probably be more factor than one and a half inches last year. Yeah. So for sure I mean ending rocker, and I feel bad for him. Right. Because it's all happened under his watch has been there for about thirty five years and worked under some of the greatest track superintendents and continued to maintain the track the same way about three years ago. We had some incidents rain that was really hard to handle Dennis went through those. And you know, it's a lot tougher out here when it rains in comparison to the east coast tracks because these tracks, you know, it just not used to sixteen inches of rain. It's just something. That's you know, an anomaly not even blaming it all on the surface could be the idea that you know, one day, you're trading on floated track which is sailed and the next couple of days it's loose because you're you're harrowing it in a little deeper. So when we talk about on even inconsistent. We're only talking about it through couple of days. So maybe just the adjusting the horses that have not been used to where they run over a seal track and then run over a drying out race track. Those scenarios that we're looking at. It was one of the reasons we look. At this weekend to cancel as we have a bunch of rain come in the next couple of days, and we do not want to have to sail. The track have them train over it. And then get the track right on the weekend and run over it. So we want to try to get back to some kids system see in the track as far as weatherwise, and hopefully do all studies and everything else, and then, you know, even from a hosting perspective. Everybody just think a little bit harder and take a little longer look at all their horses. So that we're all in this together. Tim Reid VO is the chief operating officer of the strana group that operates said Andy, thank you so much for a few minutes, sir. Thank you. Please. Stick around. Let's consider the secret life of the infamous nesting doll living, most of her life in the dock inside the other nesting, does he has plenty of time to think if we could sadly, he has no brain, however, when in a most nesting dole, his gyco not only saves people money, but also has been providing great service for over seventy five years. She thinks it's obvious. You should switch because. Yes. Switching to Geico is a no brainer pity INA. Most nesting Dollond her lot in life. The the gate podcast. Obviously, we need to talk about the effect of the suspension of activities at Santa Anita on the horsemen, especially someone like Bob Baffert who has the two leading Kentucky Derby contenders. Game winner, an improbable all dressed up with no place to go. At least as our recording this podcast on Wednesday afternoon marched the six Mr. Bamford and his assistant Jim Barnes a little busy right now. You can imagine their phones have been blowing up so to get that perspective. Instead, we welcome in Steve Anderson of the daily racing form have him back here on the gate his phone blowing up to but he was nice enough to spare a couple a minutes for us. So what have Bob Baffert and the other horsemen been saying and doing in light of all of this? Well, here we are on Wednesday morning, California. And so much of this is so fresh so brand new listen twenty four hours since the announcement was made the people are still absorbing the information. And I think in a lot of cases related to the three runners that are being prepared for the triple crown one of the. More viable options. If they do choose to leave California is to clone for the rebel stakes and the big mile sixteenth prep to the Arkansas Arkansas derby that's being scheduled for March sixteen. That's if the Santa Anita race, the San Felipe stakes isn't immediately rescheduled Senate officials mentioned on Wednesday morning. They were having a series of meetings today to discuss many factors related to this suspension of racing. And one of which was the rescheduling of several of those steaks rates. Really, the San Felipe stakes needs to be run. Probably by the weekend of March sixteenth and seventeenth to be a good time period prep race, the Santa which was on April sixth, and that, of course, leaves four weeks to the Kentucky Derby, so if you go three weeks to to between the San Felipe bay and the and the derby and then four weeks to the Kentucky Derby, some people may accept that schedule whilst the ideally would have been as scheduled as the schedule was which was four we gap between the San Felipe, sandy dirt. And then another four week gap. So it's there's a lot of variables that have to be determined in a short period of time. And I think each stable has to kinda way what's best for their runners in terms of frequency of races here in in March and April getting closer to the triple crown races. Now, I spoke off camera audio with Joe Harper of del mar and asked him how long it would take to get that place up and running. If Santa Anita would be closed for a lengthy period. He would not speculate on that. But here's the other thing. I rented a Tim writ. Vo earlier in the show. What about Portland meadows strana group owns that? But you also know as well as anybody that moving dates is not just as simple as the track owns both places. Let's go there. There are state regulations that would have to be vetted and addressed as well, what do you see here as an option? Alameda, doesn't have turf course, what are the options here? The options here crossing your fingers and hoping San gets moving in the right direction here in the next ten days, which in seven to ten days, everything is very likely in the sense that as soon as you know, there's rain falling in California the afternoon and and this morning Dennis Moore track consultant was announced on Tuesday to rejoin sandy team after stepping away from that position with that track. At the end of the end of December more has a lengthy history of working with tracks that Los Alameda del mar and Santa need until the end of last year for several years and is widely widely respected. So when he gets in there when this surface does dry out over the next few days and has a chance to analyze the surface. He might be able to come up with an answer to win racing can resume and how to go forward. Los Alameda is going to be a more active role in training of these sandy debase thoroughbreds here in the next few days. They have some stall space available there to accommodate extraordinary. Is if those trainers want to move those horses down to town to Los hours about thirty thirty three mile drive, thirty three mile van ride, and therefore they could they those horses could stay active to a certain extent is one mile track there, and it's it's not heavily used quite a lot of the quarter horses that are racing there at night, those that breed is not train like thoroughbreds. Do. They don't go to the track every day. They go to the track a couple of days a week. So you don't see the same level of activity on day to day basis attracts such as Los Alameda. So that you would attract such as Santa Anita. So there's an option very close to to Santa Anita for trainers to utilize if they want to keep those runners, you know, galloping jogging or even having workouts, then also several stable notably Baffert Doug O'Neill and Johnson for among amongst others have horses in both Staples. Because there have a limited number of stalls at Santa Anita. And then they have horses. At low, Sal that might be maybe suited to loselle as an individual. Or in most cases, they're either very young horses. We've yet to run might be horses who were just coming back from arrest or something who are just in the early stages of training, and they are prepared there before they're sent to sanity to get closer to the racing days. And also you see the same thing situation at San Louis Ray down straining center, where there's a lot of that's in northern San Diego County in Bonn, and there's five hundred stalls there that that can be used for similar purposes. Peter Miller is base there, for example. And we certainly know that San Louis Ray has been rebuilt after what happened with the fire just over a year ago. How much space do they have how many horses can they take for ninety five four hundred ninety five or so so there's there's a good amount there if capacity, although they're they're usually pretty popular it's usually quite a few horses. They're speaking of where two year olds go when they arrive to the race tracks in southern California loads of two year old star. They're they'll they'll just you. It's much more tranquil setting with a smaller. Smaller capacity. You can just have a little bit of chance go slowly with horse instead of the more hectic and activity at a racing track where it was coming and going on the morning afternoon basis. Steve Anderson of the daily racing form with us here on the gate. It's a chaotic week it said and Nita they have closed the track for reexamination really after a yet another fatality during last weekend's racing mic. Peterson who's been a guest on this show knows what he's doing when it comes to examining racing services, and he proclaimed that surface one hundred percent before the four day racing week last week Thursday through Sunday now that he has to start from scratch along with Dennis Moore and others. What is he even looking for? Now, you've doubled the number of experts in the room to one hundred percent. So between. The two of them, they'll they might be able to bounce ideas off each other and look at things, and and have some conversations that might even aid circumstances. Even better, they certainly are to the the two men who you wanna wanna have an in in circumstances quickly as possible. Let's be clear. It's if there's a all well on fire, call read, a dare get him in here and get this thing out. I mean, this is the type of thing these guys can specialize in if there's an issue with the racetrack. There's any sort of concern about, you know, the base or the texture of the soils and all that most of which all of which Peterson already said that he was very happy with a week ago. Now, they can look at it. Again, just see if you know, the two more rainstorms at any effect on this thing. And that's something that I think they'll have to determine over the next couple of days, particularly when this court dries out, you know, Thursday and Friday after a half, an inch of rain if not more here today and earlier overnight just a few minutes after I finish talking with Tim writ, though, whom you've heard at the beginning of this show. I saw an Email from Doug O'Neill saying that the training track. At Santa Anita was going to remain open this weekend for training, though. The main track and is not open for either racing or training. Is that accurate? I haven't. I haven't heard that yet. I expected later today when I have a conversation with the racing secretary of Santa needed. It'll be one of the subjects that Scott would sound like a possibility because that surfaces completely different. It's more fan base surface than than the main track is so it's maintained differently. It's very small only five three quarters while around. So it's got a limited capacity in terms of activity. There have been times in the past. When that track has been used more extensively such as longer training hours to help people out when the main track is close say on a normal rainy day that track would stay open and people just take horses out for job or Gallup. There's some trainers who are very adamant about working horses on that. Surface such as Jeff Mullins and Phil D'amoto. They're very big fans of working on that. But if you wanted to have a horse at Santa Anita that you just needed to get some activity in you didn't want to travel to Los Alameda family, Ray, an open training track would satisfy a lot of those those needs. But again, there's a capacity issue. It's smaller little oval than than the main track by like consider margin. So there there's limitations within that. So we'll see how that gets sorted out. That would probably be one thing that would help the sandy debase trainers in the next few days is if that were open, they can say, well, you know, I'll I'll take a few out for a Gallup or jobs to keep them ticking over 'cause Jim Cassidy the president of the t- told me this morning or so me last night, rather there's only so many days you'd walk these because they're going to be eager to do something else. Well, two things first of all just clarify for me the training track. At Santa Anita is not that interfere oval, the one inside the turf course, this is a totally different stret-. No. You're thinking you're thinking of the correct surface one that is inside the the turf turf course in very very much adjacent to the toe board as you look out onto the onto the okay, I was wondering about that. Number two, that's not a training turf track. And there were five fatalities on that turf. Course if you've got turf runners, you simply work them on the training track. Or do you try to do something else with them? They tend to work though, sources on the on the field training track or on the main track. They're very very rare turf workouts Santa Anita in recent years. There was several years when there was a lot more of a program for that. And I think it might be they might be expanding that here as we get into the spring and get into nicer wetter, but largely there's no turf workouts in the morning at Santa Nita. By the way, there has been some talk amongst some of our cynical types. Journalists do tend to be cynical sometimes that they said it in need a handicap the big cap always run on the first or second weekend of March. Maybe ought to be moved to be a better prep for the two by World Cup at the end of March. Well, obviously now we're going in the other direction it's going to be run later. But I wonder if this sort of forced movement forces the hand of the strana group officials to maybe move the race permanently. I've had conversations with racing executives for more than a decade on this subject is particularly as the two World Cup is taking a more prominent role in worldwide older horse division since its inception in nineteen ninety six and one thing that I think leaves the race locked into its current schedule position on the first March, which is the for Saturday of March for several years. Now, if it also works well for horses that might run in the Pegasus World Cup at the end of January at Gulfstream those runners that usually don't see too many of them come into both races. But at least the option is there to run the big ticket race at Gulfstream give the horse all February off from racing and then come back into the first of March and have that sandy option in the Senate handicap, there's no doubt that Saint handicapped has been badly affected by the by World Cup. But even before the Dubai World Cup took off in the late nineteen nineties the city handicap was feeling a little bit of the effects of presence of the Breeders Cup. Classic at the end of the preceding year. Ear. So the big cats kind of hit in both directions. Not only the Pegasus World Cup and the Breeders Cup and enhance of taking on a larger role over the last thirty years and the last three years, but the Dubai World Cup at the end of the month is certainly out there for people who have no qualms about shipping horse eight thousand miles. So it take a punch and both directions. Really? It's still beautiful race. I mean, let's let's let's make let's be clear winner last year celery was, you know, the champion older male. So it's not as if the standing of the race has been terribly affected by the presence of these other big ticket stakes. It's just that. It's now much more competitive market than it was many many years ago. Steve Anderson of the daily racing former member you have to use the extinguisher. Mark ABC to put out dumpster fires like the one you've now gotten into it Santa Indiana. Just so, you know, it's gonna be a hopefully, they'll they'll be able to smooth over some of these issues that have taken place and that they can get to safety record back. I gotta. Tell you that last month at the start of February. I wrote an article for the racing form that the California horse racing board had published its annual report, which is extensive of all ume to discussing a lot of the issues going on in the game in terms of up and down the state, you know, handle breeding a lot of things in that report every year. They do have an across the statement of number forces that were lost in in racing closures and racing or training or another other situations such as maybe an illness in the fiscal year, ending June thirtieth two thousand eighteen there was one hundred thirty three approximately that many horses. Actually, I need to double check that. But I can tell you what with conviction that. There was a thirty three percent. Decline in fatalities at California racetracks compared to the fiscal year, ending June thirty two thousand seventeen a very very safe season, particularly you know, at dome are and at and Anita in the second half of twenty eighteen which is the active school year recall having several conversations. The people about how how well racing was going. And how safe things had been not only mar blow sounds Senator. But as you know, the whole season continued to see what's taking place over the last sixty days certainly heartbreaking to anyone volved in any aspect of the sport of raising. So right now, you just wonder is this a statistical blip, you know, after so many, so many safe months and even safe year, what is causing this. What is what does this? Look, what is looking this. You know in thirty or sixty days, we'll be looked back in find the period that that period was much safer. That's something that we have to determine if you watch closely as as racing resumes at Santa Anita probably within ten days from now keeping horses. Safest certainly thankless job. You can never do it. Great. You just can do it wrong. So nonetheless, thank you for sharing this with us. And we'll obviously keep an eye on it. As we go forward. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Get us on our YouTube channel searching in the gate hod cast and get us on soundcloud as well. Get us at the I tune store or tune in dot com can get us on that little pink cod catcher app on your phone. Didn't even know you had a now you can subscribe to win the gate in the listen tab of the ESPN app for the full in the gate experience. Scribe now in the listen tab of the ESPN app, and you can follow me on Twitter at Abrahams voice on Facebook at Barry Abrams voice. That's in the gate for this week. I'm Barry Abrams. We'll see you next time.

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Blinkers Off 440: Churchill Downs, Santa Anita Return and Rapid-Fire

Blinkers Off

47:34 min | 7 months ago

Blinkers Off 440: Churchill Downs, Santa Anita Return and Rapid-Fire

"Churchill do specifically really hard to predict that. But I think it's going to be huge and you gotta think them and Gulfstream are gonNA kinda compete with each other at the same time and then Santa is going to can to compete with the later half and then they're going to be unopposed them and Golden Gate so you're GonNa see big numbers Bit doesn't she rightly dudes name. Amran who by some race and they wanted to share with players picks. The goal was to cut wrists. They put the plan into motion person. Suitably the expert picks of Free Willy Racetrack. Better just to begin. Doesn't WanNa go to find a winner. As a matter of fact morning. Hit the exact There's only one site that keep coming back next. Horses all end up at the post mixture used the website. Battling the most church oaklawn Gulfstream Park's Toga tricks in between there's only one when it comes to your best plus. It's catching game that no one never forgets to stack com to all the needs to calm the holy leauge dude dot com for all the events do that com is good his waist dudes dot com the meads dues dot com. All you leads right into DOT COM DOT com. Guess Well Jeez ultimately this is blinkers off. What's up man? I like the hanging there before going on now. Much man I you I got on there. I'm driving me crazy already. Yeah I'm getting tired of this whole in person. Kind of stuff got new over the phone. Call you talk to and I wanted to. But no yeah it was a love fest last week and now it's like this guy leaves you got here at. Eight. Am and you haven't loved my. Hey all day and you only have been told what's going on man. I'm just learning a lot here talking to you before I mean here. It's been good yellow. Save that for another. Yeah Yeah but no I am educating you a little bit over here but no so racing is coming back. Well I mean if you want to get right into. This is the best week we've had maybe all year right. I mean they're going to have dedicated listening on. We'll talk about Churchill opening up but yeah shit man we're just looking at site and we've got actually have multiple tracks on site now. Yeah so we hit the lowest of the low last weekend to have four tracks running Friday Saturday Sunday and two of those were quarter horses not nothing against quarter horses but to have to thoroughbred racetracks. Running on a weekend is just You can't get any worse than and not only that there were just nothing good running Thank keep to golfing for doing the mandatory. Pick six that co that cost a little excitement but overall it was the worst weekend. I could ever remember a covering the sport or being a fan of when you're talking may talked about in the middle of. May you're right. You're expecting have something going on. Obviously we'd be talking about Chris Week Brightness Right when that'd be this weekend yeah this is so but yes so yeah. It's all things considered we are. I mean I feel like and I've said last week in and I feel like this week a week closer feels like we're starting to get back even in our daily lives. I mean I know. California extended their stay at home. I know I know New York is still very much closed for good reason. But it's like for the most part in the Midwest and we're like Kentucky and things like that where we were starting to these tracks to back up and even in California would stay home or at least we're like seeing racing's like okay. We can continue racing. We've seen the blueprint. We know how this can work without fans with central people there. We can continue racing so I think it's a huge sign of doesn't mean that Saratoga for instance are going to have fans there. I don't think it's going to the more we go. I don't see how it's going to all of a sudden this flip a switch and we're GONNA have fans but I think the race from from the start I've been worried the most about New York because obviously it's just so bad there and so I I just don't know yeah they're going to raise Saratoga but but are they gonna race the Belmont anytime soon. I really don't know it's kind of frustrating. I I know better than to than to go down this road but when you get on twitter and people are blaming naira and they're mad at naira and it's like guys you really think naira doesn't want to run. They want to run but they can't. They have to get permission to do it. So that really frustrates me when I see that but listen. They're ready they've got. They know the drill. They know what to do to get open. You know they know what the how they need to operate. But you have to have permission to do it from from from your state government. And they don't have that right now so it's going to be tough. It's going to be tough to convince Convince anybody that the racing needs to happen but it does need to happen if there so a few updates that we've learned this in the last couple of days about the Kentucky Derby and obviously adding No. We're still several tracks for waiting on. Obviously neither like we just talked about being one of those but as we started to get closer here where these track or these races are gonNA run So it sounds like right now. It's kind of run through these the hassles now going to be worth one hundred forty two nine tenths of one hundred point race the Pegasus which is like a prep school at Momma's twenty eight four to the the Matt win coming up next week. Which by the way that be a big big weekend weather wagering guide available next week for that fifty twenty ten five the Derby. Twenty eight four to Bluegrass and this is an interesting one. This one's going to be one hundred like it would normally forty two thousand ten but we're talking keeneland are they gonNA run into Churchill? I mean they're obviously keeneland race but on opening right now so I was really shocked when I saw this on the list so I stay tuned I think Churchill downs where the run it but the Ellis Park Derby fifty twenty ten five. That's fifty point racist interesting. And then the West Coast Santini Derby obviously coming up one hundred forty twenty ten lows Al Derby. Twenty eight four two in the shared belief at Del. Mar Fifty twenty ten five so few a few big races Starting off with the Matt Win next week. It's going to be all of a sudden back to Derby Derby points and that win and then a week off and then the Santa Anita Derby and those are going to be to premier races and I know we're kind of like on you know trying to figure this out but it's like okay next week Matt Win. Nashville is GONNA lead that race right two weeks later like you said you mentioned with the Derby. I mean authentic and API honor. Ap ARE GONNA run in that. I mean those are. Those are three very high at least believed to be high prospect. So yeah I mean even though we're kind of in this you know flex where it's like. Well we know we're going to get something going here pretty soon so yeah we got lots to talk about obviously talked about a little more with. Churchill. Santa needed coming up. We got some some random races this weekend. You know. The racing is extensive. But nothing majors are the stakes action goes. We're GONNA talk about a few of those and rapid fire before we do best things. Yeah it's such a great week. Even though we don't have the big stakes is still like a celebration this week. So that's kind of the theme. I'm going with The best thing happened yesterday for me and it was Santa. Anita finally getting that approval Iran. I mean that that like the way it was going to happen. That's why it was so great because I had given up and and really guys that the magnitude if they don't get to run say through July or the meats over and they missed the whole knee. People would have had to leave and I don't know if they came back I mean I. I think they were dangerously close to being done and so they get the news on Wednesday. Twitter just exploded. People are so happy. I was happy to you know it. So many people's livelihood day it revolves around Santa Anita and then running so man for them to be back with just such good news. Just a huge relief. I felt like a shot of adrenaline. When I read that because I really thought they were not going to be able to run well. Then they extended the state home order. I was like Shit. It's not gonNA happen now so now I definitely decisions like just in general that we're starting to see more of A. I don't know like an adoption of like okay. We understand kind of like we've been saying along it's like you know we understand. This isn't a norm but we can still make this work in not. It doesn't have to be perfect. So you have all these tracks starting to come back and say okay. We're GONNA run. We're going to get back to normal but it's GonNa be this or no fans or whatever and you're even seen that In sports a little bit be sort of kind of slowly. Planning a Comeback Year of the eighty two game schedule now starting in July and so obviously no fans will be there but it seems like all these these sports are starting to realize. Okay we can do. This is just a little different than what we plan so well in Gary Bettman of the NHL came out and said we will crown a Stanley Cup champion this year. I promise you so. They've got the works for a playoff. It'd be if it is literally didn't know season disturbed the playoffs. That's what they're gonNA do. That's what they're going to twenty four team playoff what they're talking about so. I obviously super nerve wracking. But it'd be so much fun to watch you know. Some people have been like that is just so dominant always have an ashtray. And it's just like people. What do you want them to do? Play the whole season in front of all the fans. You know what I mean. It's like how you have to be realistic with your expectation. Maybe they could play. Adam played three games a day every every day. Yeah Yeah for three months out of time they just have to get something done so it is one of the NBA will do. I mean they've got they'd be some similar you would think. Yeah I mean whatever and just like we talked about last week with triple crown. It's like if you did have a triple crown this year. You definitely have an ashtray. And there's another people I saw people. They need to run them in order in the Belmont. They can't change a distance is it's just. This is what was going to happen saying along. This is what is to get over it. Yeah Yeah does anybody like do we. Are we rooting for it? No but am I happy. It's not preakness week. Now we're going to run something you know. I'm glad that it's going to run and -actly I it. It is what it is. It's like you have a season it's weird and you'll look back and say remember when the triple crown that year but it was weird or I don't think you're imagining. Imagine if we had a college basketball website you know to be a little worse. Yeah yeah well. The the other year that we decided to start offering sports information on the side is when this happened so maybe that was the best thing I saw so I had one plan and then something happened earlier before you got here so when I did. That plan was like my my son. Colin Cooper broke his arm last and has been in the cast and there's a minor minor break. But maybe the doctor today and it's removable. Cast thing brace because there's only less than a year and a half old and so anyways Geiger poor a good one guy good report. It's off and keep an eye on them but from those parties. He's good to go. That was what I was going to be but then this one was too funny to not do not make the best thing so I have a an spy here in my office where I discount basically have collected over the years all the different credentials. We've gotten the press. Some Brusca tons of Pegasus just and I don't know why keep them. But now the I get the boys like they play with them and put them on whatnot. So we're playing with them earlier before you got here. I'm putting them on Koa. He wanted put them all on and I was like here. He's like I want to be. Jarrett calling. You said jared because they say jared right. Jared Dean Welsh and so I kept on and then I said here about this one. You can be slim. I had one of Slim's I said you could be slim and I put it on. He looked at me with his face. 'cause I don't WanNa be slaving is like think I think the Belmont one year. We got the Belmont Forum and I don't know yeah so I want to slim was the last. It was last year. He said there's no triple crown. I'm not so yeah. He doesn't want to be there. It was so it was so funny as well. That's fine you don't have to be slim so don't ever let him put those in his mouth. There's no telling how much alcohol's been spill on those drugs. Especially the Pegasus and Florida Derby. All the Gulfstream was off my best. I to be honest. I don't know where those are. There's no telling what I'd I'd probably got back or in the found in the middle of the panic. That is a funny idea. We're going to do that next time. Throw in the throw the passes in the fountain almost like a wishing well till next let them fish them out of there. I love that idea. A fantastic idea. Go after the last race on Pegasus to Florida Derby. Just chuck them in their money. Would that be at like two or three or four yearly jared? Aaron are always in this fountain every year. How like come on so I like that. In today's show we're going to discuss and preview the return of Churchill downs and Santa Anita Park this weekend in the dudes. We'll ratifiers like some of the major races going around the country this weekend after months of wondering if they're going to run win they're going to run. What's going to happen with the schedules? The stakes races were used to we're back. Churchill downs and Santana Park get the green light to come back and run so obviously no fans will be either one of them but it's huge sign for both tracks obviously and this in general sign that we're we're kind of getting through this so man you know it's like okay now all of a sudden you've got churchill downs bag endless throw in Girl in allowance race. Yeah so on Saturday. Race for multiple euro is a fortified favorite. The two-horse It's like welcome back. Churchill Down Churchill. Downs has to a fantastic fantastic cards this weekend. So highlighted by mom girl. But there's a there's like three or four really good allowance. Races on Saturday really allow trace on Sunday with a horse you own Toledo on in the Fancy League Toledo and wish right. But he's facing some really nice. Three Year Ozzy littlefield probably going to step up to stakes after this. If the ones that run well it just. It's so good in. When Oakland closed it Churchill definitely was the one the needed to get open know. Because it's just that's the next step that's where a lot of people go and to have the marquee track in the state of Kentucky Open was just very uplifting for the horse racing community so Yeah this is going to be a just a monster meet at Churchill You know you you already mentioned the Matt Win coming up next weekend which is going to be Monster Day. They've they've added other stakes races on that card. Thank there's five on the car and then Stephen Foster night is still going to happen to me later on the meat. So there's a lot to look forward to and and I guess speculation maybe the bluegrass on. Maybe by the end of the me like this. The Matt Win a prep for the BLUEGRASS. I I don't know that I mean all of a sudden being the winds were fifty than you would think that the next the next point would be one hundred point race at the. It seems that lay now. Who knows what's going to happen with that. That's all speculation but the the point of it is. It's Saturday is a celebration that it's back and we're going to have a really good solid meet at Churchill. Probably one of the better meets I've ever had. We'll really going to start. Because obviously you've had so many owners and trainers and whatnot just in this holding pattern waiting. Obviously Oakland picked up a lot of the slack but that was really good for the local trio people in thankfully we. We had a lot there but and they chipped in for steaks but for the most part like all of a sudden these traitors. When I can get back so you're going to start see this influx of horses and we haven't got to the west coast but you're starting to see this influx of horses that you're like like I mean I'm not by no means. Do I think Toledo is in the but that field? Say let's call that field that the Sunday allowance. You're going to start to see this kind of horses that you hadn't been seen yet. They're like okay. These are the horses that could step up into at least the Kentucky Derby type hopeful that emerged in the summer. So you're going to start to see these kinds of fields shape that we haven't been seen or been accustomed seeing so yeah. It's good to have these back kind of brings a whole new flavor. What do you think thinking about this earlier? Obviously Oakland just not after nine really most tracks running lately have been so records just because yeah what else bet. So what do you think about? Now that you're getting some of these really big ones like Churchill Santa Anita you think they're going to continue like are they going to continue the transfer of this day even though no no one's air they're going to hammer records? Yeah I think so. I think Churchill downs. This weekend is GONNA be incredible. I think it's GonNa be a really good telling sign for what we have become. You know what I mean the summer and into the fall like if these tracks that are opening up just continue to just to just blow it out of the water with no one there it. I think it really shows you too. How potentially healthy the sport could be if you just give good product. Sports Yeah keeps keeps on that on that subject. We're we're recording this Thursday night Charleston's on the fifth race and I just saw a tweet. They're averaging about four to five hundred thousand dollars A race in handles. So that's GONNA come out to. They're probably going to do three to four million dollars tonight. Charlestown and handle. Obviously that's very good for attract like that and then what will churchill do specifically really hard to predict that but I think it's going to be huge and you got to thank them and Gulfstream are going to compete with each other at the same time and then saying that. Nita is going to can compete with the later. Half and then they're going to be unopposed them and Golden Gate. So you're going to see big numbers You know it's going to be big. Does what she said. I know that anyways. So now as we move over to Santa Anita obviously Churchill's GonNa take you said GonNa handle the earlier earlier part of the day but then you head over to Santa Anita and it gets you back to that west coast racing. We're accustomed to and against another sign. Another question would be like candidate kind of you know we we know. He struggled with the short fields and kind of unable to fill races and then of course covert happened. And then you're like okay. So can we get back to because he know these trainers have been itching to run so surely there's horses run. We've got full fields Friday Saturday and Sunday at Santa Anita. It's unbelievable and you know Santa. Anita was making a little progress in that direction with fuller fields before this happened so it started to. Yeah so they. They kind of picked up where they left off plus some obviously because of the situation full field. I think you're GonNa see it throughout the meat because you said there in the run the God Iran. Somewhere Guy Rodney sources. I mean it's been six eight weeks for they'd been on track for Ray so Yeah it looks great. I think this meat really revolves around June six. Which is the same any the Derby Day? And they're also going to run the Gold Cup Tanzania and a few other races there big races there. I should say so. That's that's the big date to look forward to You know authentic verizon or a P is a just a huge huge event and we'll have other horses in there as well so it's GonNa be a lot of fun at Santa Anita this is again. It's it's definitely a condensed meet now. Because we've lost so much time. But I do think they're going to do what they can to make up for that loss time you'll be fun to see if you know given the Mazar we have out there like with the Bedford and whatnot. Like you know if there's any any you know hidden horses that might pop up here. They've been itching to run at Santa Anita The that really emerge as running. You know these convinced me but I can just imagine baffert having someone under the Hood. I think the Kentucky Derby winner is GonNa run at Santa. Anita doesn't matter which one it is. It's not going to be in the Derby but he's got one that's probably win the Derby skit ready to debut so that you think he's a winner after his workout today. He monstrous so visit saying fan. Yeah I'm a robot that it works in my article and I still never claimed him but anyways yeah he's a monster he's a he he looks like a monster to that. He pretty much any horse he. He was unbelievable in this less work out today. He's big time purchase. And obviously you know a Lotta hopes I you know I say the I mean he's going to have any started. Rick he's GonNa have a big shot to to be a factor in these steaks raise. You'll make history because you'll have the the first words Ever Win Kentucky Derby Day prior to me maybe be getting ahead of myself time. Derby winner but I think the sources really really good. I mean really. Good Paul Paul Paul. Then pull him yeah so he claimed like two months ago too so now. I mean I know I my radar but it's just like of course we didn't know what the plans were the Derby and whatnot but at that time but still you just like he claim a horse that you know that's never ran and there's going to be Might find out differently now. Listen how can happen but in the mornings he looks just as good as well stakes winner. So and I've been saying like with the doll and these horses you can tell when these adverse I mean are just looks locked and loaded in Charleston. These forces worked lights out in the mornings. And you can tell they're low end. This horse Kazan. Say's on I think it's how you said Cezanne Cezanne a think Yeah he just he. He looks the part. He has the ability for horse. Of course it's in the morning so we'll find out in the afternoon. The only thing that I did in this is dumb to say but at the same time I believe this. The only thing that gives me pause is his purchase price. Because how many times do you see one? That goes for really pay three point six five million eight exactly in hand out hardly any exactly so We're not going to talk about these races. So we'll at least mention them on Saturday. I mean like you say the cards are good. If you're if you're a a California bred Kinda guy girl whatever That's definitely your day Saturday. Because they are running two stakes races The Edco Eddie. In the evening jewel advancing definitely. You're kind of races We're not gonNA cover these races because we'll California breads and they're tough sure so you want picks where to go get them we will work. That'd be clear about when the dog were not handicapping. We're just do it on the podcast. We got more important things. Talk about But we'll have pigs for. I think what is so much is doing Friday Churchill. I think and then Saturday or maybe vice versa Saturday or maybe it's Friday. Danida is a Friday bombed riding santita. He's covering so bombs yes he's doing. He's doing Friday at Santa Anita Saturday Sunday. But we'll have premium big for those so you go check those out but On Sunday we'll talk about that coming up and is going to run into race. Gets MOTHER ON SUNDAY? It's Indiana so pre race in rapid fire Who's the Derby winner by the way? Well I don't know yet. We'll see I used have to see Honorary Felix Pretty. I don't I don't want to worry about that ratio. Let me try to find the MATT winner. I next week I met wing all well. I I'M GONNA definitely go against Max `field spoiler alert. I have to man. He'll never learn. I have to win against all. Well No I. I have my reasons for that. There's no good reason against all GonNa Cruise. Didn't go against the doll. I said I'm going to bet even thank four to five. You said you hated him off air. He's got up there and he's like I hate the worst. I told you offer that I don't like I said that about an adult already. Got My celebration planned for. He wins in Rome so I don't know but yeah so well I would say he's a defensive us for me. Yeah I wouldn't want him to knock me completely. It will take that back. I'll see the sequence but I don't know Mr big news is gonna run that like him. I don't know there's only two I've seen confirmed for that one. Yeah I think they're going to get twelve field so Churchill Santa Anita obviously we'll have magic is just absolutely killed on the side as far as content got the content We've all got content. So Ricky's Ricky's rockets will have content. Shah's integrate job. We got rider anymore. Sean Sean NHCD thing you see coming up so stay tuned for that. But we'll have a ton of content on the site covering all those big meats by the way I knew Sean. Because he listens I think he he didn't do some rapid fire that we're GONNA do three and Gulfstream. We're going to bypass the to Santa. We're going straight to Stanford on Sunday Gulfstream Park. Maybe some smaller stakes races. But it's definitely not lacking some some at least semi stars or at least potential stars rate six. On the day on Saturday the roar a threat the roar stake seventy five. You Know Seventy Five K. For three year olds six and a half furlongs field of six lines up for this one led by number five. Green light goes six to five more favorite. Are you going to try to beat the source? I mean if he doesn't win this one. Stick A four-game right got. It's really not because I think he's great because I really don't but this deal it of leaves a lot to be desired. Not from the moment I saw. He's in the race. I've never been a huge green light. Go Fan and I was like okay. Beat them obviously. You've got to go through the field. I'm like I don't know how you even. He ran terrible in the swell and number. There could probably win this race. That's the kind of racist is I. Just don't see a lot here in this in this. Still if he if he loses this like didn't right the seventy five thousand dollar roar state. I mean it's it's it is often eastern does well. He has to win this rate. Do you feel like it's very clear now that if it if it wasn't already let's be honest if it wasn't already it's pretty clear like this is this is like his distance. The running this is not like winds here and he goes to the Kentucky Derby Prep after that. It's like good luck. Think he's any good. I really I really don't think he's a great horse now. I don't. I'd be surprised if we see anything. Really Ultra impressive industries period. Even even if he wins. Oh yeah totally so. We're both on green light. Go race nine races later. Their race. Nine the powder the powder break sticks were phillies mirrors three girls and not going one mile on the Earth Bill. Ten until eleven with one hundred dollars well Philippine. Likely run by the way. I didn't check the weather because I've been reading some reports pretty decent chance. The it'll be wet. I think Sarah is supposed to be dry. But they're supposed to be a lot of rain today. Being Friday and an today Thursday today and Friday lead up to it so I imagine the the actual day might be dry but could be wet as far as turf goes and stuff so keen on. Having the reason I leave that up to God stormy runs in this race ninety five morning line. Favorite Cantor's a horse. It's always kind of known been known to like a fast surface in even said if it is soft we may just scratch her. You know kind of thing. Honestly it would surprise scratcher anyways because it's seventy five thousand dollars and we saw this last week with who is the horses. Scratched is going to run in the war. Things like that nature where you're like know they're gonNA run like no they're not gonNA run exactly so it's seventy five thousand dollar raise again. I had the same as assumed. She runs even with a soft surface if not her ideal thing. I it's a it's a exactly. She's better worse to go. But it's exactly the thing where it's like if you don't have to witness for. Yeah she really needs to win. I think she will visit view in here. I liked a little bit more than did in the other one. I should say. Yeah the one I remember one. I saw if not race but she's in the race. It's sad it's just another situation where to go more other than her I said would play the horse on the rail. The unknown its European ship. Coming OVER FOR RUNNING FOR SNIPER. Chad Brown one that would assume in the software service exactly has been over it a lot and you know Chad Brown Iran Ortiz. I'M GONNA put that horse in the multi-race place for sure and with got stormy now scratches. I think this becomes a much deeper. Multi-race play you're going to play through four because a lot of different things come into play happens but I don't really want to get too crazy with a bunch of combinations display the one in the ten an interesting one in this race as a seven. That's you know I it big time. Purchase for six hundred six hundred and fifty thousand dollars for todd. Pletcher undefeated never been beat. Haven't seen though since June of twenty nineteen Where she won Monmouth Park. She does have a winner of the service Gulfstream. Obviously I hope to start with this one won every race kind of easily to you know so you know? Yeah you know. It's a lot to ask her numbers. Don't compare to what got stormy is but one is to say got out of the race thing. All things considered well. It's all about this to what's out about is running at Monmouth. You know in the summer. When why not running around the ninth circuit for Fletcher usually since candidate B. ISH team down? So but I agree definitely of worse than it looks like as talented and obviously on record. You can't ever party gets that but if he's out in all of a sudden you're playing three or four horses. I think it definitely is a player in the race race. Ten lots one here that we're talking about a Gulfstream Park the musical romance stakes hundred cave. South Florida bred fillies. Mayor's going seven furlongs still nine lines up for this one. Seven two five Boylan favorite. On the seven lady's Island Unite. Talked about this little bit while we're handicapping like we both go. We both landed on got storm like Shit Gala. If you're playing that sequence starting to raise six you gotta like gotta find gotta find a winner. I gotta find a non Jock and Lady's silent another. Were so you and try to beat that. One or you just chock now. Think you have to play lady's island but I am going to try to put a different horse on top here. I'm going number three wildwoods beauty on I really like I read or TV Ford Year and has been running much much tougher. Racist Great Tune Great. Three events and finishing second lacerations once in San and wants to Sally's curling Racing Hurricane Gertie so I I like the class I think she could be around there. There seems to be a decent amount speed in the race and the source definitely is one that likes to come from as but I think she can sit a little bit closer as she drops out in class a little bit where she may not have to come first so far back so I'll give wildwoods beauty a chance. I think she's going to be a pretty square price because Lady Ladies Island. Let's look pretty good here. Lady's island gossip speed like their speed and keenly lady down three this worse flat blazes early on this date back to December of two thousand eighteen. When this worth the lead at first call? I mean it's unreal. I mean if he's on the front forget about so. Yeah I mean you know you're gonNA have the pay set up to be also gonNA take the beater. I'm going to go to the different one. I'm going to Blair for for todd. Pletcher LEWIS IS JUMPS ON HERE. The source winner of last to last two starts really is not a bit about horse her entire career the only one that can kind of literally draw a line through is the one where she lost a writer and that was three races back with winter last to finish second race prior to that as one for that my five ten combined in a second on debut facing a decent horses decent comeback. Winter's been running a little bit longer. So you get a little bit of life. This annual with Cutler's gets a nice Twenty five percent of the route sprint. So He's been running this route route. And it's like to me. It's always an interesting whenever horses winning routing this one one two stakes races including the grade three and then came back and won that stakes race. It Akwa Doug Going Eight. Both races at amount eighth in wins and then. So it's like why would you? But now we're cutting her back right. So if a horse's like Bernie terrible longer than you're obviously makes sense to to cut back but when worth winning. Oh that's interesting. So you gotta think they feel confident in the in the move so. I liked that a little bit especially in Florida one when the favorites. GonNa get pounded. I think so number two Blair and finally. Let's go to Santa Park on Sunday. We talked about this race earlier. Eight desert stormer stakes grade three hundred those fields and not going six furlong debate lines up for this one. It's a nice little fields earlier we don't have the is fighting mad for star mother. Mother amused bill. Pheno or to Tomlin hanging star really comes down to a few of these. Bob Efforts got a few fighting mad mother mother and then of course Bell Vena who kind of interesting spa for bird right now considering that she was a no show so to speed at which came to Oakland and that carousel raise comes back in off the off the short layoff. In here she is so I think. Now I'll give you my pin second but newsrooms. I don't want they'll Levin. I'm so mad at her after what she did it. Oakland. I can't go back so I'm actually going to go with Mother mother. I'm going to go number three mother mother. You know the source has been very competitive with with really really nice worse so it's not like I'm taking a flyer here. She's trying to do something I think. I think she's sitting on a pretty good race. She comes in the more arrested. Were like you just said well. We'll and back pretty quick. I was shocked to see belting industry and you know look wins in California at least runs well in California. But you know it's been a long time since horses crossed the wire first so off right-footer in the multi races that I'm I'm GonNa go with mother mother on top and better win on mother-mother I I just I can't get over out and how poorly delvina Iran and yeah. I know miss the break and lost all chance to win. I agree with that but she didn't lose all chance to lose by less than Tim Link Right. She didn't run where the damn it oaklawn. So I You know it's been long time since he's won a race. She's going to be down again because she's back home track. And is the classiest. Where's the field so I'll try to beat her mother? Mother it is it kind of facet of its kind of fascinating. Look at you mentioned. This word. Belkin has not won a race since Santa Nido counting right. It's been a long time. You know in granted from there you go to the yolks test. Killian gone back for the Breeders Cup run race and your brain run a big race miscued. Confetti and hard not to look too good horses mean he ran well both of them You said the Oakland one was kind of a no show slash Mr break but really it's a net. You're finally getting back to your drag your finally getting back to a race. I mean this is ran in not counting carrizo one two three four five six straight grade ones. Oh yeah tough races in now you get into this race and I kind of feel like okay this to me so shopped and set it on that show like I cannot believe. I'm GONNA pick her. I'm GonNa against going against my pag. Your blood pack a blood pact paper outside of California and I did it and I learned the hard lesson but guess what this race is in California and this. I DOES NOT LOSE IN CALIFORNIA. Very office all the time in California's California over a year six starts accents. Anita four wins and to be honest with you it. This is more of a grudge. No I think I touched me. She really pissed me off in that race if it really badly Mauka. Here's my line of thinking. Okay again this is asking for someone that is. I'm the same way like when she loves the Yolk 'cause like never again Never seen again is what I you know. It's like but so Saima galleon good trainer's not GonNa rush her back froze and this word comes out. And since the carousel right may tint puts out a board flies around the flies around the track interests are here so obviously. He's like to run. I mean he's not going run if Allah seemingly ready to run. She really didn't run last time. Though I mean other than I mean obviously the shipping may have taken something out of the race probably didn't because now I really like mother-mother so I think those two your play. I'm not singling. Bellevue by any means. Good I think mother they can beat her so I play in those to but heard it here. First it's tough for me because I like her like I do like I mean. I've been developing the fan for a while but I just really soured on her. I relied on you and that spot and for you to get beat is one thing but a no show just really slow bigger. We'll good thought that we have raised over free. Picks and our premium selection process patient Parks Lincoln Razi Dot Com to learn more. Remember that waging guide. Next week to win can be. I mean really. It's going to be a massive guide and a lot of implications like you said it was like five stakes. Something did they cover on their big town. So we'll have that available sometime next week for you guys currently covering tracks are we covering this point. Well we're going to have ten. We've were up to ten double digits. Yeah I. It's the first time we've been in a on first time we've been double digits since about. I think March twenty first that weekend. I think we may have still had tim left. But you work out for you now. You've been slacking off. I did honestly I really enjoyed. I Friday's which had I think. Seven and like man. This is nice to not have to Remington and low south of no this eating Gulfstream even just and over and over and every week. It's the same day on track. It was so nice to see. Churchill. Say Golden Gate today. I mean heartbreaking loss last race by a head but we had four horses going to that big six in just the most brutal brutal but we we had a good day still handicapping Hicks and it was just. It was good to see another track in the jockeys trainers. It's like you really take for granted how much you like handicapping tracks in how it just breaks up the monotony of Gulfstream. Again like all I'm doing is Gulfstream. I feel like you know so. That's no offense to golf stream. It's just when you're the only game in town for weeks and weeks and weeks. It gets old after a while news. Update for you. I watched through both the eleventh time the other night. It is does your Stanley Cup yet. but I mean that's a lot of times for sure but you gotta understand like this happened. Well there's nothing going into quarantine and literally turn on the TV. If I have any anytime like I some on like hey watch superbowl. There's nothing watch is awesome ever told me I love it so yeah I've watched it and I'll probably watch a few more times Mike to you before. Oh the schedule came out talked about it last week. I mean the biggest tickets are astronomical. I don't really care So let's plan for that. Obviously we don't know the opener I'm planning obviously. I'm going to the opener. Assume THEY'RE GOING TO FANS I've met with my cousin. He says they'll play with no fans. I say it's either fans will be there or it's not going to happen. That's what I think. I think it'll be fans. Oh Oh I don't think it'll be fans aren't there. It's not going to happen that I that I strongly disagree with I. Just I don't see any way fans won't be there didn't fill needs a fans. I think. Well every sporting fans I think it's severely fifty fifty lies like baseball even hockey. I know how he's a little different. Because it's tight quarters sort of the baseball especially like especially it's like you can play a game without fans and it's all like like playoffs would be but not postseason would be bad but my point is is planet. Nfl game with no fans would be so. It's so weird weird. You're talking about this because I was. I was on the phone with my dad on the way to. Your House mentioned in college game and we said football and hockey would be is is going to be or could be or would be whatever you want to put in their bad without fans. It's going to be boring because the fans make the atmosphere. Baseball is like it's quiet. Most whatever yeah basketball we can talk back and forth. We don't think it has as much of an influence as hockey or football. But yeah I mean it's very like people don't realize how weird that's GonNa be but you talk about you know talk about Arrowhead. How part of his teams because the fan noise and just fear in. And you just literally scrimmage you know is very strange Football and hockey is going to be working. You go back and you watch any football. Such a spectator sport. There's so many people there eighty nine thousand people at these games right. You go watch a hockey game. The fans are into the game. Oh Yeah Yeah. Nba can be quiet in the arena at times imbue. It'd be weird for sure but it wouldn't be as bad as hockey and definitely not. Nfl and college football. So it's nothing but I'm with you. I think a lot of people are like there's no way they'll be fans and I. I don't think if I had to bet I would say no but I'm not like hard against it like I think there's a shot but I'll tell you this my ass be there if I'm allowed to be there at any that game. They is Tampa. Whatever I'm going really afraid to it either I yeah. I'm not either. Give a track opened up. I would go yeah I would. I guess what I'm not gonNA wear mask either. Neither I haven't or masked yet so I did you know pissing off but well first of all preference that with where we live. It's really I lived in New York absolutely a Los Angeles or a city. Yes but you're talking about county that has like twenty cases and we're going to Walmart and gas station or whatever and it you know. It's like in the product areas this country. It's just not see people wearing them in cars though. That's what I don't it's just amazes me. It's like you've been in my life today because I talked to my insurance agent and he goes if I see one more person with a mask in their car and having a panic attack. He's why are you wearing it in your car? You're with yourself. Yeah but anyways. Yeah no I mean. It's it's funny when we talk to slim or Ricki or a curtis or or or Ryan on the West Coast Slim Ricky on the east coast. How different their outlook of it is. Because they're living in and I would be scared but here it's just it's not. It's never been real scary especially what we're able to do from home and whatnot. We don't have to get out very often so it's and we've been blessed to be able to do that and a lot of people can't and so we're definitely been fortunate in that regard but yeah. Hopefully they play. I'm I'm very hopeful. So schedules out. I think fourteen into that's my goal. I'm going fourteen into so you know it's one they'll games think they're GONNA lose. I think fourteen to should happen. I think thirteen and three more likely because there will be like one of those games. You're just like you ause did lose but there's a few other tough teams in there as well. You could see it going either way but yeah I think fourteen to should be should be should be the goal right. You're listening on soundcloud. Google play music stitcher even the website rates. Dot Com magic. Show took them out as well right. I'm doing well. He's an and got a big show next week show next week when Matt Win. 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In The Gate #452 - An Auction at Home

In The Gate

29:16 min | 8 months ago

In The Gate #452 - An Auction at Home

"During this cove in nineteen shutdown. We've seen news programs originate from home. We've seen a full orchestra. Poll awful wonderful recording from their respective homes. But there's no way you could conduct a thoroughbred auction online right. I mean Cain Lynn canceled. Its April sale but wait an online sale. Really did happen. We'll explain how it was pulled off plus Santa. Anita officials are trying to get back to racing as some other tracks are doing. We'll go over the different options. They're considering on this edition of in the gate dates optimal way Roy. Silence this is in the gate. Espn's thoroughbred racing podcast. My name is Barry Abrams who can follow me on twitter at be. Abrams voice or on facebook. Barry Abrams voice. You can also get us on our youtube channel by searching in the gate. Podcast you can find us on. Stitcher soundcloud tune in the pink apple podcast APP and of course in the listen tab of the ESPN APP for the full in the gate experience. Subscribe now in the listen tab of the ESPN APP. And please take a minute to rate and review the show. Those reviews really help others find us. And maybe just. Maybe it'll help those members and America's best racing include us and the fan choice awards this November. They do have plenty of time to find us. You know well you give us good reviews. Then it's not our fault if we're not included in August of two thousand eighteen a percentage of ownership of philly named Atlanta the winner of the hamble. Tony the Kentucky. Derby of harness racing was sold online. It got us to wondering on this show about a year ago weather. A thoroughbred auction would ever be held online but our guests on that show trainer. Graham motion and bloodstock agent Brad Weis Board. Were skeptical of whether it would work. Well this covert nineteen shutdown has resulted in some things. You probably never thought you'd see huge convention centers turned into makeshift the NCAA basketball tournament abandoned the Masters Golf Tournament rescheduled for November. And the Kentucky Derby move to September maybe and then there's this authority bread auction in Australia happened online. The William English and son Easter yearling sale. Which usually takes place near Sydney happened on the Internet? This time buyers from different countries put in bids and while the average price of a yearling was off by eleven percent and the median price was down by around four percent. The fact the sale came off at all is certainly noteworthy here to tell us more about how it all worked. Is English Managing Director Mark? Webster whom we welcome for the first time here to win the gate. Let's start at the beginning. How early on did you get the idea that an in person auction might not be possible about three weeks ago? The restrictions here that have been dictated by government. Silly increasingly initially. We thought we'd rent out around a physical auction three weeks ago. But with less people on the grounds and the need to maintain social distancing so we engaged by security experts to help us understand how we could still auction with horses on the grounds and that would restrict movements of people around the facilities and literally a week before who would shoot around the option the government and all live auctions said that that made us recess very very quickly What heir options were close? We had some industry participants suggestion. We should postpone the salad run in July. With view. Perhaps by July the restrictions would be lifted that of course if we were to delay the sow. We'RE TALKING ABOUT SELLING DEALINGS. That really need to get into the training system so they can be competing. Come September October. We have not row racing season. They commenced selling them in July and not a lot of time to get them ready for racing in September October. We decided we had to really take the online option seriously. Thankfully here it unless either the last ten years we've been investing in digital technology and we have two solutions which we already used. Mortar supplement at auction business. One of them is an online bidding platform that we've been running now for nearly ten years whenever we run a physical auction with a lot of selling horses. We for ten years. We've been giving customers the option of bidding online and we would generally sell ten to fifteen percent on Lan anyhow with people that on at the sale and we also have I guess an Ebay style bidding platform as well but we can run entire auction using that whole with. Nice easy coal horses on the ground so we already have two of the solutions that we decided to use the online bidding platform and create. What we call a virtual auction and we had a week to pull it off when you say bidding online where any of those people sitting in the facility using their phones to bid on an APP or are these all people who were not on the grounds These people on the ground so we did have some clients. Beating from places like Kentucky so Marie Shida from Asian blood-soaked services was bidding from her home in Kentucky. Memory had been apps was dry and she'd inspected wholesome thumbs a few weeks before she elected to come out to Australia and put herself into quarantine. If two weeks and look at the horses on the farms ever fought days and then she flew back to Kentucky and did all had beating online from Kentucky in the middle of the not. Which was added Tom? So there are people like that people in Europe did the same in Japan beating from around the world in terms of on the grounds. He we weren't allowed to have you know a lot of clients. He Wear Hotel here. We've got a five star hotel as part of our auction sale facility so there were three and a half gish in the hotel that were allowed to sit in these. Prada rooms either looking this house or any of that deed usually two the oxygen but other than those three everyone else was off sought. What was the conversation like with your potential buyers and sellers when you posed the idea of an online auction? Well they're all disparate to sell their stock. You know. A yield is perishable autumn there any healing for so long and they they get older every day so you know there was some of our clients. That weren't happy about the idea and decided that they would withdraw in fact Leading of ended decided to withdraw sixty horses from the sale with a view that I thought I would be better place to sell them directly off the farm and have people come to the Psalm and bought them and a few other farms with true. They drafts purely because they're in quite remote. Locations around destroyed was very busy. Go FOOTBA to go to their farms and inspect him but the farms would more accessible. We've we have breeding region here in New South. Wales called the Hunter Valley which is a Beta like Kentucky. Either there Around Lexington Kentucky where? There's a large number of stars in one place and really die. Studs all stood together and invited buys together and inspect the whole on on the properties. And that way the buys at least had some idea of what that would beating on but But I tell you video take -nology and an online repository of information reports in x-rays and scoping reports all of that help facilitate his boss who and there were particular customers that did not get to see a whole physically at all. They had to buy purely off video information confirmation videos and veteran reports and did all editing and inspections remotely ballpark figure. What percentage of those buyers got to see horses in person on those stud farms and what percentage did not look at to put an exact figure on that you know I would side the had twenty percent of the buys might not have seen the horses at all some of my had. Somebody have a look at them. Full of them and others Another oh it's still too to really assess. I do know there. Somebody's that just did not travel at all from the UK and from Japan and had to make a judgment based of say services we provide you know nothing that if you look at twenty eight. When we ran normal sil- we average throughout and fifteen thousand two yielding. This year we average three hundred and ten thousand feeling so it didn't drop that as much as a lot of people had expected the clearance fried with not as strongly normally we would clear about eighty percent of an auction sitting at sixty six percent at the moment so the clearance did suffer but that was mainly due to the fact that there are some moms that still participated in missile. Even that I didn't have a lot of on-farm inspections and what we're doing we've structured these sales. There's a ran one which we've just held and we split it to also ran to on the streets of July and on the fifth of July old. I suppose is that jury from around one or they didn't sell in round one. They can be very often again. July five getting vase more time to go and have a look at them on the phone so we really had to change the way we work. It's about using technology but it's also around splitting style now and to effectively two rounds to move vendors more time at a second to sell Mark Webster the Managing Director for Australia's English and son bloodstock auctioneers joins us here on in the gate. Now I want to get back to the money in a minute. But once the shutdown occurred were there any veterinarians who would represent buyers? Were they allowed to inspect the horses? Yes the the veterinarians were still able to get around onto calms and inspect so they would do that. Physicals on firearms before the shutdown could A lot of the radiographic with which is basically the x ray images that are taken at the lakes and say that Cetera. I've been taking a couple of weeks ago. And so they were uploaded in into the repository here in Australia. We do a lot of presell. Scoping which is basically a review of a wholesome threat to to check its brazing whether there's going to be any limitations to it. Breathing capacity when rising for those skyping reports again would on on farm and they were actually done during the restricted period of restrictions. But here in Australia at the moment if he can still move about if it's for work related purposes and bits going out and assessing is still something that's possible now even with restrictions because it's a work related matter so the vets did a really good job in up letting all of this information into digital repository and that allowed other bits that are acting on behalf of buys all around the world to log in and see all of those reports online and And advice they cons which will says they you know. They recommended purchasing and others. I should have a look now. You mentioned the international nature of this sale. Do you think you had buyer's participate who might not have otherwise because of the time and expense of travelling to Australia with now. Everybody kind of on a level playing field being online identity. A lot of new boss. We certainly there was some there. Were some clients that haven't been active for a few years. Barry the Stri in bloodstock market has really been quite hot. The last few years a little In North America and difficult to get in seventy the values have increased quite a lot and so there there's some I guess we'll be called up some older clients that had had stepped down for two years. Some of them came back in. Because I thought there'd be buying opportunities so we did get a wider range of buys Registering for the south. I'll give you an example on the stats last year at the East We had a hundred seventy individual buys requoted on the shape the buying shape this she. We had a similar number but what was more interesting is we had four hundred buys register to be with credit approval. So the thing about asked. There's there's lots of systems at where people can can be but the system we've developed. He allocates I credit limit to buy side. That somebody that might be approved for a million dollars cannot be above that title million dollars out of the close this out of the system or lock them out and that is really important for us. I leading into the south. We could see we had four hundred buys approved and we could say the amount of credit that we had approved to buys to actually use throughout the style. And what I can say is that there was a Jila Lodge. Amanda Credit approved. That didn't get spin it. The sale and that is because we sort of ran out of horses all the horses that didn't sell a one that people just didn't have time to thoroughly inspect so there really was good demands from from around the world. Overall two hundred fourteen horses sold for a total of almost forty three million in. Us dollars and as we mentioned the average price was down eleven percent just under two hundred thousand in US dollars and the median price was down by four percent. Now you started to talk about those results. What do you make of these numbers numbers? They stack up compared to last year and since their original results were published. We've been able to sell another fifteen most show horses and generate a few more million Internet way still selling horses every day. He even over the Easter Holidays We've had clients coming in and we have a functional Lama. People can just click and make an offer and by a horse after the style as well so that is all happening. I think the results than of very well. We were expecting that the value of lots suck match up by fifty percent heading into the sil- and that didn't happen. You know you when you have a look at it. It's Dan about fifteen percent not fifty percent which is Quite remarkable. I think the KS. You know making it easy for people making it accessible. I think there's a lot of bloodsucking best. Is Out there around the world that saw they says bonding opportunity. The mockup would be depressed and registered for credit. And that's why the level of registrations with so on some of them I think would feel that they've bought a bog and others feel that they like very small discount but they happy with what they purchase and then might be some out there. They see the market. Just wasn't soft enough for them. They were bargain-hunting in the Balkans Wednesday to be had once this Cova. One thousand nine shutdown is over. I don't think horsemen and horse. Women will water replace in-person auctions with online auctions at least not all the time but is there a sector of the blood stock market that could be potentially handled online in the future? Of course there's a whole range of different bloodstock. We we run regular UH auction. So you're onto auctions. Amman way horses literally just uploaded online ebay stall auction where there's no can here involve the horses. It just listed people can beat over a period of five days on this way during that here in Australia now and with at this point the only ones in the world any thoroughbred okay news in the world that offering that style of auction. I said anything is scope for that in North America. I also I think the skype in North America for what we call a virtual auction which is where you still say auction era and the video. But you've got a digital platform that's county up the bids and managing credit approval and Making sure that there's Good security around that the bidding process and so we've got both of those systems and the quad came to help other opinion foams around the world to use technology. Where does the listening to this interview? Right now feel free to contact us. We we have English bloodstock. Which is our auctioneering but we also have another company called addicts technology which which. I also had shared that particular company and all I do is provide technology services that they're in a position to help other oceaneering around the world to do this and I really think everyone really needs to put in place measures so that one even during physical auction that can supplement it with technology and allow customers to be from around the world regular customers to have confidence in those auction houses. They don't always need to travel to be so so they can use it at every auction. And we've been doing that now for ten years. I do find it surprising that this other firms around the world still don't even have that ability when ugly. It's pretty straightforward. We have seen the future Mark Webster of English and son Bloodstock. Thank you so much for sharing this with us very interesting development here Chris. Thanks for your interest Berry. We've seen a few tracks be able to conduct racing without spectators of course during this corona virus shutdown. We'll Santa Anita soon be one of them after the break. We'll tell you how officials they are trying to make it happen. Welcome back to win. The Gate as of this recording only a handful of tracks in the United States have been able to conduct horse racing of any kind oaklawn Gulfstream despite the opposition of the vice mayor of Hallandale Beach. Where the track is located Tampa Fonterra Park in Nebraska Remington Park and Oklahoma and low Salam Mito sneer Anaheim California low? Sal has been running racist with no spectators. Both thoroughbreds and quarter horses have appeared in these races. Santa Anita had continued to run races for two weeks after most of the world shut down on March eleventh and Twelfth then on Friday March twenty seventh as preparations were being made to start the day's card the Los Angeles County Health Department abruptly stopped said Anita's racing operations. The Department allowed morning training to continue but racing in the afternoon then came a report last week. By the website horse racing nation that Santa Anita officials might try to transfer some of its race states to Los alamitos the article quoted a statement from the thoroughbred owners of California which said that Orange County where Los Alameda is located continues to treat both racing and training as an essential activity now. It appears that the low south scenario will not be happening so options are there for Santa Anita to try to get back up and running for that. We welcome back to win the Gate Art Wilson. Who writes about the sport for the Southern California News Group which includes the newspaper? The San Gabriel Valley Tribune. So what happened with the proposed transfer of dates from Santa Anita to Los Alamitos? Well you know Barry. I'm not quite sure who initiated those talks but in talking to Jack Liebau the vice president of Los Alamos He indicated to me that there were never any substantial talks that it never really got to the serious stage and There had been no substantial talks and there were none to be scheduled in the future and He told me that on the record and then also told me Any switch from the dates from Santa Anita too low. Sal was not going to happen and that's a direct quote and then of course. I talked to a few other people who gave me a little bit more that we're familiar with what was going on. But they wanted to speak off the record because they weren't authorized to speak about it first of all. I hope your social distancing from those I can hear in the background. What kind of racing is happening? Now at Los Al Right now you have the Quarter horse racing which You know they have that Friday through Sunday nights three nights a week and then once in a while they'll have like four and a half furlong races which have the like the very cheap claiming horses twenty five hundred dollars climbers now Saturday night. They added five. Eight hundred. Seventy Yard races for thoroughbreds. They're open to both thoroughbreds and quarter horses But in these five races on Saturday night there were only thoroughbreds. Who entered an eight hundred? Seventy yards is just a TAD shorter than four. And a half for long. You can have quarter horses and thoroughbreds racing against each other in a sanctioned race. As long as it's eight hundred seventy yards yes. Why wouldn't Dr? Edward allred the owner of low sal. Want these dates from Santa Anita. If he could get them with a chance for some found money well what one source told me and this was off the record but he said. I could use it. If I didn't name who was. There was basically to people who went off the record for two different reasons why this isn't going to happen. Number one is in the past. San Anita has tried to deny los Alamos racing dates. They have three meets a year. Los Alameda and they're usually anywhere from two weeks to three weeks in length and Santa Anita wants those dates. They don't think Los Alamos should have them. They don't have a turf course Blah Blah Blah. And so that's one the number the second reason is that And going back to the first reason berry is what the person told me is why would also? Alameda does want to do a favor to owners who were trying to take away dates from them. That's number one number. Two is Alameda is in the process of trying to just have self preservation. They don't want the spotlight coming down on them with the Orange County health board with the racing and so they're just trying to stay in the background. You know not too much spotlight or attention on them so they can continue their quarterhorse. Flash thoroughbred need at night a recent report on the blood horse website states that said Anita officials are as of this recording trying to arrange a meeting with La County health officials to convince them to allow racing to resume without spectators as of this recording. Where does that efforts stand? As far as I know the meeting is supposed to take place on Saturday this coming Saturday and Aidan Butler. Who was the acting? Head of strategy groups? California Racing Division has now been gone on record as saying. I'M NOT GONNA take no for an answer so Santa. Anita is continuing to press the La County Health Board to let them over you open wrestling the Alameda Health Board to let Golden Gate Reopen. But then I also read and I've also heard that the La County Health Board is holding firm that nothing's going to be held until may fifteenth at the earliest so. I think that the Saturday meeting is going to be key and personally. I'm not real optimistic. That the health boards going to give in. But we'll see anything can happen. I Guess Art Wilson of the Southern California newspaper Group joins us here on the gate Santa. Anita officials are arguing that it takes fewer people to pull off a race in the afternoon than it does to train horses in the morning which is still permitted if this meeting. We're talking about actually takes place. What chance do you think there is that the La County Health Department puts a ban on training rather than allowing racing very ups? The puzzling part about this all. Because I've heard that in the mornings there's at least a thousand people right around that number with the horses and when they have the afternoon racing there's about one tenth that many people so it doesn't make any sense to allow the training and then not allow the racing and Santa Anita Management has bent over backwards. Everyone's wearing masks their social distancing. They have hand sanitizers everywhere. So they're trying to show the county health board. Hey it doesn't make any sense to ban afternoon racing and allow the training to go on in the morning especially when the backstretch workers health plan and healthcare all depends on the live betting the money that is Game by the afternoon racing. That's all been shut off. And so the backstretch workers or they're in grave danger right now. Well let's step back for a minute here when you talk about those backstretch workers. How is the cove nineteenth situation at Santa Anita as of this recording? No one has tested positive. It's an Anita so the cloven nineteen virus and. That's another puzzling issue. You know I know that a worker I believe the backstretch worker at Belmont. Park dusted positive. A couple of weeks ago and died Santa Anita no one has tested positive for the virus and I also believe that no one up at Golden Gate. Fields has tested positive for the virus. So that's another puzzling aspect. I haven't talked to one person in the industry who doesn't believe strongly that some certain animal rights groups have played a big part in Santa Anita. Getting shut down. I can't even start to get into that. I have nothing substantive on which to go but I will ask this del. Mars beloved summer meat is scheduled to start on July eighteenth. Now we're still over three months away from that of course but the question is at what point before the start of the meat. Do you think decisions need to be made. Most importantly about whether trainers should crank up their horses to be ready to run their. Yeah that's a good question. I mean I was GONNA get in contact for a future column either this week or next week with Joe Harper out of Del. Mar and talk to him about that. I would think just off the cuff. At least a month six weeks where decision we would have to be made on that you know right now. Things are are looking a little bit better. As far as the whole country goes with this New York which was the epicentre. The numbers are starting to show a positive side. So I'm not sure really. I would have to ask Joe Harper that but certainly what you say bury the the horsemen need an to know. Hey we're GONNA ship there or not you know. And they have that ship and wind program from horses out of state a lot of times. Come in and you know. Get a bonus for if they haven't had their most recent race in California so that's kind of a another whole can of worms dealing with the del Mar situation. Well we are glad that you are safe and healthy art Wilson. Thank you so much for bringing us up to date here. The beat goes on as this shutdown continues at any time. You stay safe are thanks once again to Art Wilson at Demark Webster. At the time that we're recording this. No decision has been made about when to run the preakness or Belmont. 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Little Atoms 564 - Fatima Bhutto's The Runaways

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Little Atoms 564 - Fatima Bhutto's The Runaways

"Ever wondered what it's like to be lost in the African gender forest is amazing sound to explore untouched. Caves and understand how intensely nature impacts our human experience. Something has changed inside. You the BBC podcast. A brand new podcast telling stories of human experience is incredible blue water with the wonders of the natural. On a cast apple podcasts school wherever you get your podcasts. This is little atoms radio show about ideas and coacher with me now Denny. This week Fatima beaten latest novel, the runaways. Bhutto was born in Kabul, Afghanistan. She owes to grow up in Syria and Pakistan. She's the author four previous books. Most recently the highly acclaimed the shadow of the cresent moon, which was long listed in two thousand fourteen for the Baileys women's prize for fiction and Fatima's latest book, the runaways we're going to talk about today festival on a little atoms. Thank you for having me. Can you tell me how you would describe the runaways first of all it's a book about radicalism, but more specifically it's a book about what the west doesn't understand about radicalism and the radicalized, and I know it's a heavy subject. But it's to me the runaways is not just about the terror of our times. But also, the joys and the exiled as and and the sorrows to young people in what they go through growing up basically with universal. Yeah. I think it's a bit of generation growing up in the shadow of the war on terror a generation that really hasn't known any other way that is constantly surveilled and constantly. -cluded and constantly forced to prove their credentials for belonging. So the book has three main protagonists there's lots of other characters which does also talk about three main protagonists. So before we go through those characters intern. Tell me why you chose to tell it from that multiple character perspective will it it began actually with Monty and sunny it began with the idea of these two young men thrown together in circumstances that they could no longer influence or control. And around them grew the rest of the cost. Guests Leyla who was very ghostly figure Anita rose and her story, including Osama her elderly Marxist neighbor. So they they kind of snuck up on me. Actually, I'm so Anita roses is the first person. I want to talk about tell us something about her. Who is she Anita rose is a young girl who lives in much colony in Karachi, which is one of the largest slums, and she's an incredibly bright. Right girl who wants to do something with her life to wants to be stronger who wants to be seen and who wants to be free and that much economy. Tell us something about the area of Karachi. Once he like, what garage is an interesting place because it's a city that absorbs everyone on that has the capacity for everyone. But that doesn't mean that it treats everyone fairly or humanely so much a colony is kind of informal settlement and a lot of ways because a lot of the homes have grown up haphazardly. There's a lot of fishermen who live in much colony a lot of people working ordinary jobs Potanin Cindy's Mohajer, different ethnicities. And I think that's where you go. If you want to see Karachi, you don't go to the part of Karachi that shopping malls or McDonald's that could look like anywhere else on earth. You go to see people who live in communities that look after them and care for them. As we go into these characters. We'll talk about the. The individual cases of how they become radicalized in the book and Anita rises mothers. And so she works tell us what she does. She works for a a rich family. Well, she's a maliciously, which means it. She's a massage woman and she gets cold round to the houses of these rich women to massage they're tired bodies. And she travels by herself. She carries a little sack of oils, you know, a mustard oil almond oil and to sometimes has to take her to children with her because she has nowhere else to leave them if she's working and Anita sections include not only her mother, but her brother, and how the two of them respond in different ways to having to sit in the courtyards of these grand homes that they're not allowed to enter an brother. Indeed, he becomes as he becomes sort of difficult air of someone who is from the slums but wants to get on. And he becomes sort of a fixer and works for groups of shady people doing we don't really know what? Doesn't it? As I think, the Ezra Anita rose respond very differently. I think as res- reaction in a way is almost more understandable as raw hates the exclusion, and as in profoundly insulted and wounded by the fact that he has to sit on a bench by the gate, but it's not welcomed into these homes is not spoken to by the people who own these homes on it produces a particular kind of anger, and contempt and him. So this family the works for the live in this area. Clifton which is where when we finally Demonte later on is where he comes from as well. And indeed this is where you live tell us about this area. One is like well Clifton is an old neighborhood in Karachi. It's quite close to the Arabian Sea. And unlike the rest of the city, which is quite crowded and quite cramped cliffs in his wide avenues and banyan trees, and it's a legacy really of the Raj. When the British were in India, which Karachi was a part of at that time, they divided the. Into black towns and white towns. The white towns where the administrators of the Raj lived with their sort of leafy, bungalows and wide avenues. And the black towns were where the natives lived and those are completely different instructor in space in freedom in light. And unfortunately, Karachi remains as I think many subcontinental cities do laid out along those lines till today. Now, you obviously spend a lot of your life in exile in in different countries. But in the times when you are in Karachi. You've experienced this. As these people that come into the house and work in in the way, the need to raise his family does. Well, I was very lucky growing up in Karachi because of my father who was a politician. He was a member of parliament before he was killed. And he took me my grandmother took me, and I traveled a lot with my family into not just parts of the country that I really wouldn't have seen otherwise, but was went to people's homes and was welcomed into people's homes and stayed in people's homes, and it it gave me this incredible exposure, and it created in me, a constant feeling of being unsettled in my own environment. Because I knew how well how unfair it was. So next door to his house is lives. This old man Osama who I was a little bit mysterious in a bit of a bit of a sort of Schoten, and she gradually gets to know him because mother is constantly asking to go and borrow things. We've inverted commas. From Somma for the household, and he gradually introduces to rose to both poetry. Oh, do poetry and Marxism. He seems to be a man he was someone of some important at some point in the past. And I wanted to talk about Osama because I thought I will you're an activist. And you know, he seems the couch the press most represents your own politics. But I'd also say perhaps your father is well, I could see of other and Osama would that be accurate? I think this dreams of Osama or the dreams that I remember being passed down from my father, my father belong to this generation of Pakistanis that experience something beautiful something hopeful and the possibility of what was to come was exciting. It's a very different generation than my own which has grown up in the shadow of dictatorships and corruption and war. And and so a some has that idealism, and I think Anita rose an easy rose spoke about her brother earlier, she does. Begin with that idealism. I think a sense that the world can hold these many different cities in one that you might move between them, and that you might be given permission to break out every once in a while, but Osama the point we meet them in the story. He's I mean, that's all in the past. He sees himself. Guesses something as a failure. I think he's a bit of a broken, man. I think he's a broken, man. He's alone. He's been left alone. You don't really ever know why his family has left him. But you see that it's a sorrow that sort of trails behind him. And he doesn't have a nostalgia. For his better times. We have a brief moment in the book where he takes Anita to the Press Club, the Karachi Press Club because they've got no electricity, and he knows this is a place he can go and have a Cup of tea, and they can watch TV and everybody knows him and everybody knows him and everybody respects him. And Anita wonder why hasn't he brought me here before? And I think there's something profoundly decent about Osama. And that's why doesn't. He doesn't live on old glories because I think he believes in the future he believes that there can be more and more hope and more beauty to come. Can you tell us some interest as an aside about failures fans already power that he infuses any to he's not someone I've come across before. Fez, Emmett fezzes is an incredible by his sunny poets, and he he was very political poet as well. And he wrote a poem called Hyundai which means we will see I'd it's an anthem of resistance, and he wrote it at really the height of general Zale hawks dictatorship in Pakistan, and they'll hawk was a CIA backed dictator. He brutalized the country. You know, he he instituted things like amputation as punishment for theft. And so for phase two, right? I'm taking it was about the fall of dictator and about really the nightmare that he must face eventually when the people rise up is not just. An act of rebellion. But it's it's really a it's something so much more profound. You know, there's another great story from Pakistan. There was a singer Kotik Bob Arnot who sang home. They can gain Lahore at the height of the depression to a crowd of a massive crowd of people, and was forever banned from appearing on television was forever banned from giving concerts, but that's the sort of legacy. We have of poets in places like by Kasan, they're not just a romantic dreamers. They're really fighters to. So we need to becomes radicalized in the book. We won't talk about where that goes. But I wanted to talk about that method of her radicalization, which is, you know, through first of all disenchantment, seeing her mother's humiliation this which family, and then, you know, the Marxism. So she basically takes what perhaps now would be a an old fashioned path to radicalism, which is out of leftism. Yes, why think we've had such a suffocation? In terms of the discussion on radicalism, this sort of awful industry in the west that has swept in untold us that radicalism is about religion. As about one religion on. It's about these people from this place, and this what they look like. And of course, that's not only utterly false, but is dangerously misleading. And you're right radicalism. At some point was not identified with religion. It was identified with leftist politics, or radical Marxist politics. And I think ultimately anytime we talk about radicalism. We'll have to talk about things like pain like suffering like poverty, like inequality. And that's what I wanted to do with a lot of the characters in the book to show that what brings them to this. This terrifying point actually could happen to anyone almost Patmore wanna move onto the next to Monte that was the one that most closely resembles your own background, tell us where he comes from Monte is the only son of this very wealthy property developer and he lives in Karachi. Thirty in the white tower. Not the black town as the Raj called it. But I think we could probably still use those words and his family summers in London. They've got a flat near Harrods, and he really has a life of almost no needs. He has everything he wants and Monty meets a woman could Layla and his last year of high school at the American school in Karachi and falls dangerously in stupidly in love with her. You would to that school as well me what the American school in Karachi Islam tried to change the name of the school for the book. I switch the words around because it's it's not exactly the school. But yes, I did go to the American school, which was a wonderful place to learn was a great place to be a students because we were allowed a lot of questioning we were allowed to kind of almost independence that you know. I don't see a lot of young people having at school. But at the same time, it was a very elite school, you're surrounded by incredibly high walls. You've got all this. Space, and there's only three hundred of you and it had different phases. I guess so when I started at school there, it was this sheltered little bubble. But again, we were allowed to ask these questions we were allowed to sort of think beyond our borders. And by the time, I graduated in two thousand of the world had started to change terrorism. Had started to show itself. They're already air strikes against of HANA San under Bill Clinton's government, and then it became a really strange place. Then it became a weird place because it was sort of protecting you from your own country, the whole concept of of of American takes on a different tenant to the vast majority of the Pakistani population. I guess the idea that you know, the great Satan. Yeah. And not only that. But I think that the people who are willing to come and teach in a place like Karachi, which was then beginning to become dangerous. We're not really people who knew very much about it. And so we had professors who spoke about the country they were in our country in this. Parroting ways. I mean and the mistake was there because they'd sort of raised us to be a brutal confrontation. So we did we would say how can you say that that's completely racist and offensive, but it it did become a a strange and unusual place to be especially at that time. I'm not exactly what Lola does combat over with the professors. Exactly. So Leyla the American school. When I said, it used to have this really odd rule where they had one third Pakistan sonny's one third Americans in the one third international, and then towards the end they had to change it because we'll there were no more internationals or or Americans. So Leyla comes in really under this new opening for students, and Layla isn't impressed by the walls. And Layla isn't impressed by this kind of I don't know foreign view of her own country. And she she does ask a lot of uncomfortable questions and for someone like Monty who really never has asked those questions. She's fascinating. Now, we can't really talk too much about lately. Because she is central to the to the plot of the novel. But at the same time, she does I wanted to hash she becomes a symbol. Really? You know, you use to to show the idea of how Monte basically becomes radicalized because he sort of suggested to it by by Layla, and that sort of takes on. I think a sort of biggest symbolism in the story. Yeah. I think what we also miss when we talk about radicalism in the west is we miss in fact, how incredibly modern the recruitment. Is it doesn't say oh, leave your lives in England and in Paris and common Sydney cave. It actually has a very modern argument, which is seductive, which is come and being a place. That's anti-national. It's anti-national because we have no borders. So you have free movement within this community within this sort of kingdom or caliphate. And not only do you have mobility and access and belonging, but you also have power and that power means the conversation is held on your terms. The language is yours the forces. Who has the authority is yours and Layla certainly a part of that. And I think that's what draws a lot of young people or what drew a lot of young people to these places. It feels counter intuitive to a lot of us. I think to ask why would someone leave a home in Alabama or in Portsmouth and go out to moso? And I think it's because of those seductive qualities you mention Alabama. I wanted to talk about Monty's mother starts to also in a gentle way become radicalized, and she becomes obsessed with this TV terrible TV evangelist who always soliciting money from his people. And this is you know, he's a Islamic evangelists. Yes. But exactly like one of these terribles or the southern Baptist guys. We imagine when we think of it. So the TV if Angela so is that is that something happened. Yes. I mean, that's almost a real character. The the TV evangelist who wants his mother becomes enthralled by it does happen. And I think you know, I think there is a there was a divide generation Louis when we talk about people who who full very quickly and very deeply into a religious sway, which is almost cult. Like, I think an elder generation like Monty's mother is lonely and wants answers for a world that they don't have answers to and dealer. These evangelists who come by. And we'll we'll give them advice in return for cash, and you know, events, you know, that they want to be hosted in. I think that's an older generation whereas Monty's generation or Sunny's or any of their generation. It comes with this millennial aspect of fame. You know of being religious for an audience of followers for being followed for your beliefs being liked for your beliefs going viral. And I think they both exists, and it's really interesting. In a place like San at least, how each them gathers followers each of those two different methods, gather, followers, and Monte he's in the same way as any two rows. He's sort of disenchanted with the facile trappings of Madonna too. But obviously coming from the opposite end of the spectrum. Yes, exactly. I think Monty someone who wants for nothing, and who has imported food for dinner if you feels like it who does all his shopping abroad. I think Monty understands that this something profoundly emptying that. What is purpose and all that he doesn't know. And I think I think to Monte's credit he wants to find out. He just takes the wrong path. Ever wondered what it's like to be lost in the African John. The forest is amazed sound to explore untouched. Caves and understand how intensely nature impacts our human experience. Something has changed inside the BBC of podcast, a brand new podcast telling stories of human experiences. Incredible Lou water with the wonders of the natural. On a cast apple podcasts school wherever you get your podcasts. You're listening to little atoms. I'm nailed any today to Fatima Bhutto took it about her latest novel, the runaways sunny final protagonist, he's grown up in the UK. I'm sort of secondary Shen immigrant his father came over from India. And we'll talk about his father in a moment. Some his path. I think one we're more familiar with in the U K because basically ripped from the headlines something we could say in prosper, first of all. So he grows up in Portsmouth as as a second generation emigrant. And I was really struck by how well described towns police if I grew up in in less, which is town of similar similar size. Also has a massive diaspora from the continent. And tell me wanna know how you researched sights sounds smells of of. Well, sunny was sunny, ease really my favorite character. And I spent the most time building sunny and thinking about sunny and being anxious about and four sunny and so-, Portsmouth. I had had so many different layers of the research to Portsmouth. I had the kind of finding out and reading and watching videos, and then I had a strange detour. I learn all the slang from Fort Smith and all of it in the book, and then took all of our because I thought no come on. You can't Congo too far and learning about the neighborhoods and trying to understand what happens in the local paper and trying to follow the football team. I did all of that. But I think really what's what under the most about sunny which made everything else a natural understood his slowness and his his feeling that he didn't belong anywhere and actually not really knowing where he wanted to belong either Suman his father. Has taken this typical Kover from India, and you know, taking a brave move of leaving everything knows and come into a cold distant hostile island and start in a life, which is an incredibly brave thing to do. But at this point he again is looking back on his life with disappointment think. Yes, I think Sulaiman Jim you'll sonny's father really breaks his life to migrate England on his generation that comes over young and able to do anything and willing to do anything. And he does it because he magin that there's a great future that awaits him here. But in the end, it's a shock the experience of being migrant the experience of being displaced and the knowledge that the place who imagined with all these riches, and all this possibility is nobody open to you. You'll kept outside it and a matter. How hard you try to learn the right way to be the right to talk the right ways to fit in. They still don't let you in any think he's disappointed but in his disappointment. He just tries harder. And that something was embarrassing for his son that something is on is is a little mortified by. Because he doesn't understand why his father left a place where he actually could have been something for Portsmouth swim. His cousin is the person radicalize him. And and this is this is sort of patent that we say often in the UK, tell us sort of tactics that somebody else would use to against jeez. Somebody likes me. I think I think sunny is glamour by those all his elder cousin who who goes away mysteriously and he claims to have gone to a refugee camp, but nobody actions in the evidence that he was in a refugee camp, nobody really has any evidence. What all's did when he was away. But he comes back really confident and really assured, and he knows this new language and these new phrases borrowed from a religion that he claims now to represent and he starts to indoctrinate sunny. He starts to tell him that Britain is. A place for men like them. They're just wasted. Here. There's another place where men like them could be powerful and not only powerful where they could influence communities of men and sunny and his loneliness, and who is wanting believes those to be true. And he follows him. Actually, I was just in Lahore does on aside. And I did a reading for the runaways and somebody came up to me afterwards and said, but I did actually work at a refugee camp. Why did you make all and I said, no, no, no, he doesn't. That's the whole point of all is always is a charlatan all the someone who moves wherever the political wind blows. So if it suits him, he's a refugee worker it suits him. He's a radical. You never really quite know with him miles boilers. I. The other aspect of sunny is that he's confused by sexuality as well. And something that's not really talked about it. I think is obviously I can understand this sort of come rodri- of why young men would want to go away. Enjoy their brothers fight somewhere. But also this is how we're autism about as well. I think it's an incredibly difficult time to be anyone. I think it's an incredibly difficult time to be a man, especially in an environment where the rules have always been so rigid and so strict what does it mean to be a man with force in the world. What does it mean to be a man who can confront the environment around him and Sonny deeply struggles? With that. I think he I think the Homer eroticism really comes from his his wanting is wanting in a particular sense, his longing to be loved to be respected and to be a brotherhood of some kind and in as again, not to give to any spoilers away. But all. In a way makes him thinking might have that when he goes away. He makes them think that this is a band of men that know what it means to fight to struggle to be beat down. And yet they're still men the not diminished by it. I think that's really appealing to him at the same time as he grapples with the idea of his sexuality in what it might include. And what it might exclude. I mean right now as we speak in the U K of the country is convo st- with the story of Shamima Begum, the, you know, one of these so-called ISIS brides. You know, who's been to Iraq and seeing terrible things in some respects is pretty unrepentant of reasons why she was she men, but she's a British citizen. And now there is this sort of political argument about what to do with her. And obviously go about it's an entirely the wrong way. But I just wondered if you sort of thought about this idea of how how we deal with young people who have had this sort of level of radicalization. Yeah. I think I think she Meema begums case is really fascinating. And I think done Massana the the American woman who also ran away and now wants to return to macrolide interesting. She was asked in a interview, what would you say to Americans? What would you say to them? And she said I wish I could take it of the internet. I wish I could take it all off the internet and to me that was so fascinating. Because these and they are young women, and they are young men who were born in these countries. They were educated in these countries, they grew up in these countries. And I suspect that part of the reason they left because they felt there wasn't a future for them in their countries another they've made this grievous error in Sonoma begums case at least as far as we know so far she didn't kill anyone. She didn't hurt. Anyone wasn't a part of propaganda was Hooda with a was a part of propaganda. She was a part of inciting people to violence now that they've done this awful thing. All this aspersions are confirmed by the countries who've said well now, we don't want you back to say to Shamima big you go to Bangladesh a country. She's never even visited is really quite astounding. It's quite remarkable because it's Britain Bangladesh that has a responsibility in the trajectory of her life, and her radicalization, and you mentioned earlier in an interview, and these two real-life young women are obviously, you know, their radicalization has been through, you know, YouTube videos, Facebook pages and things and again, all young. People now are dealing with this legacy of how do you live online? You know, how'd you live? How'd you go for a job interview? When something you might have said in ten years ago, still online might KOMO pin. Whatever you for this group of people just happens to be Islamic radicalism. But this is somebody that everybody's dealing with. Also, the thing where all these different words collide is the the impulse for fame that this generation has it doesn't matter. Whether you're a busker in Covent Garden or your radical moso, you'll filming yourself. You're photographing yourself constantly because you want people to know your name now. Why is fame impulse that? We should be encouraging young people to seek out. I don't think it is. I think is incredibly dangerous, and I think what it does is. It destroys a young person's ability to explore the world to carefully seek out spaces and freedoms and interest. Because it it kind of removes that doesn't it removes your ability to make mistakes to be redeemed and to have fresh starts one more question for me. Okay. To read their annoys. If you would as I mentioned in the introduction, you spent a lot of your life exile. And you grow up in Beith ghanistan and Syria to places in reason history of become Voest by Islamic fundamentalism and destroyed and I wondered what it's like to see from a distance places that you know, have happened. What was very very young when we left on Assan, but I did grow up in Syria. And I spent a lot of time in Damascus. And at the time that I was growing up, you know, Syria was a secular country. So when I was growing up in Syria. I didn't know I knew I was Muslim. But I didn't know if I was so near Shia, and I remember it wasn't until I went to buy his Sam that somebody asked me, I I didn't know how to answer actually had to go home and ask my father, but Syria wasn't a place that you felt you were under a sort of target. If you belong to one group or another religiously, obviously, it was different if if you hunt political leanings, but I went to school with Armenian Christians. A we had Hindus we had different kinds of Muslims, and it never would have occurred to me that Syria will places would be a kind of laboratory for Slavic fundamentalism that I never would have guessed. So it's it's heartbreaking and at the same time experiencing bags on where we've seen it grow. And we've seen it flare up is interesting because we've also seen it die down. And we've also seen people refuse to be. Afraid and defend version of their religion that they believe isn't represented. I'm so I have hope in by San which maybe ten years ago. I might have told you I didn't have that much think things are changing. I think I think this generation of Pakistan's young generation coming up on the stands that you could be many things at once and then a gauche eating that. And I think the doing it. Well, actually, I suppose points to end on. And so if I can get you to. So this is a section about a need to rose. And she's the young girl who lives in much colony on at this point in the story. She goes to a local school, and she's about well, I don't know actually how she young young girl at the state. So it's early in her story at night, Anita draped, her mother's heavy black charter over her shoulders crept out of the house and walked to the nearby hotel and sat on the corner of the walla's block listening to the way the actresses on TV spoke. She heard a talk show host interview one of the ladies from one of her favorite, cereals, it's such a blessing. You know, Sheila Cosmi said an English that sounded like velvet felt against the skin smooth and luxurious and unaffordable to be able to follow my dreams. And do what I love until Anita could stand it until is became lazy with sleep. She sat on the corner of the street, cockroaches scurrying in and out of the garbage tickling her feet and. Wrote down. All the words. The actress said in her shiny red notebook. She repeated her favorite lines to herself as she walked through the alleyways piled high with roading banana peel and mulch lit only by the milky white of the distant stars committing the words to memory before she went to sleep. What's the prostitutes daughter like you doing with a fancy notebook like this Meerut onto the neater rose at school? An ISA didn't answer her. She had learned a long time ago to ignore the girls who ended her Mira's mother was actually a prostitute Anita had seen her standing in the window of their home, wearing only chilly pressing her breasts against the metal bars and calling down to the men in rituals and scooters below. It was why Mira hated Anita. Why should teased her and bullied her because she knew his mother never sold her body. Even though the Joseph's were infinitely poorer than her mother with the chili standing at the window grilles. Leave it Anita said, she'd filled three pages or. Ready selecting only the most precious words she had even started watching the news, which she learns an entirely new vocabulary corruption fraud hypocrite fundamentalist Zionist she could not afford to lose the notebook now conspiracy. She had learnt that only yesterday me was eyes flickered without as a neat to refuse to relinquish the notebook and Anita so her panic in front of the other girls, if Anita defeated this one bully the rest would see Mira for what she truly was an empty threat. Diffused of all her power, Anita soit all that pride in exile. Eighty in the way mirrors is swelled and contracted. But before Anita understood that she would never have the chance to extract any kind of retribution. The game was already so skewed against her Mira sank, her ragged fingernails into the veins of nita's hands an ISA, try to release herself Mira's grip, but mirror only dug in harder onto her nails had left. Scratching of Demi Lunes burning into the back of his hand. But she had not let me rec- how much she had heard her Anita would not give those girls the pleasure of knowing how their cruelty had marked her. She walked back home from school with her head held high. As though she were carrying a book on the center of her crown as she walked stopping only to pet the stray dogs resting in the shade of the billowing. Bunion Tris Anita bit her lip to keep the tears from falling down her face. So I've been talking to Fatima Bhutto we've been talking about her latest novel in runaways, which is out now in the UK from penguin Fatima Sankey so much for coming in sharing. It thank you for having me on the podcast this episode of little atoms whose produced presented by me nail. Denny edited by sky Redmond and was first broadcast on measurements. One four point four. FM Latins is supported by eighty nine up and hosted by if you enjoyed the show, please subscribe raters tunes and even tell a friend. Thanks for listening.

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S5E13a - Odd Girl Out [Part 1] (Featuring Anita Flores)

Mother, May I Sleep With Podcast?

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S5E13a - Odd Girl Out [Part 1] (Featuring Anita Flores)

"You're listening to season five of mother. May I sleep with podcast. I'm your host Molly Matthew. It took him. I'm all right. You guys today were doing odd girl out we have a special guest Anita Flora's she hosts a podcast. It's all about frazier which is so exciting. she's younger than me much younger than me. Which really took me off guard? When I found out that this was the age of the host host of the frazier podcast? I was like expecting you to easily be four years older than me when we first started corresponding. How are you welcome to the show? I am so well an absolutely honored to be here. number one. It is always fun to catch people off Guard with my age. Each and frazier especially because I live in New York City. I do comedy. And if you're not from you know you start to get aged out of stuff And so these Under thirty lists of COMEDIANS. Like that's never going to happen for me so hosting a frazier. PODCAST is nice because it makes me. I feel extremely young which is really good for my ego and separately. I am a big lifetime fan I went to four different colleges. Thank you very much. I did finally graduate when those first two colleges were pretty rough and lonely and I watched a lot of lifetime. Films is lifetime movie. Monday was a bright spot my freshman year of college especially so yes I feel like my life has been leading up to this podcast. Oh I'm so excited excited get that was like the I mean I was reached out to and they said Anita love lifetime movies and I said well we gotta do this like. It's very rare that I have someone on the genuinely loves the medium. So I'm so thankful that you're here for this and you picked a movie called odd girl out which yeah I've heard of Lake around and I've probably even seen before and just you know you don't always register what it is that you're watching on lifetime of course all all the time and then maybe you'll never find out maybe it'll be on a repeat two hours later but odd girl out. I don't think I've ever really really watched the way I watched it. I was surprised that you picked this as a lifetime had just because it's so refreshing it's like a really really straightforward teen bullying movie. We haven't had some good teen movies on really this season so I I love a teen movie. It does something for me I love bad teens. but you pick this one. Why does it have a special place in your heart? Well I wanted to pick a film that I had seen originally when it came out And of course In your podcast. You've covered a lot of classics Including this to me me. This felt the closest I was going to get to cyber seduction which is a obviously a special film. Very close to my heart I actually We did a talent show at a old job that I had which was. Actually I was a production assistant for who wants to be a millionaire and we should. We did a talent show which was like my nightmare mayor And so I don't I couldn't think of any talent so I said to myself I. I don't know where I thought. This was a good idea but I printed pointed out one of my favorite scenes from cyber seduction and then acted out with my then boss and that was my talent was doing a dramatic reading Just just stronger. Reminding everyone doubts about the teenage masturbaters. Right the chronic masturbaters correct which stars of the kid from from the action. Or you know. The non animated version of Peter Pan. I would say this is. His second claim to fame is cyber seduction. So back to why I chose this movie. I did want to do something that was in the in the bad teen realm you know. Maybe I am pining for my high school youth. It's not that I ever was a bad teen but I would say you know it's you live vicariously through these bad teen movies. At least I definitely have and I definitely clean. Remember watching this movie long. Long ago I agree. I only like hope of having been a bad teen like I one hundred percent percent onboard with you. I love to watch it because I never went there. this movie doesn't have any drinking or drugs really besides the overdose that will happen. You guys boiler alert I mean it seems unintentional. I thought that was really interesting in it. occurred to me after you know sort originating on everything that I had seen this movie doesn't have like partying even when there's partying it's not partying. which is I think a departure from most host lifetime movies and I think like with bad teens anyway because there's always like a casual drinking and a party presents the Oh yeah has disturbed me as a nerd lake as an internal forever nerd? I've always been disturbed by it and this is just like no people can just be bad. It's not always drugs drugs and alcohol sometimes people are just rotten inside. That's right I hope it's okay to reference because I know there's other movies that you've already talked about but I love to reference them As comparison. I love that. That's what we do so like what you were just saying like the nerd thing absolutely like I remember a movie. Need that freaked me out was. She's too young yes I remember seeing. She's young in that movie. It's like Oh casual hooking up and here's the worst thing that could possibly happen. which is syphilis and you know to me? I don't know how likely that was. Never likely in my case as I was not sexually active in high school but I think bullying is something that can happen to anyone including the quote unquote popular all of of the worst bullying. That I heard about it didn't happen to me. I was lucky I feel like to me in high school. The best thing you can do is try not to exist that that to me is the the only way to avoid being bullied. My best friend. I met my senior year of high school. And she's still my best friend and I constantly joke with her that she and I came from different social groups and that she she was popular and she told me about the kind of bullying that was happening in her group and it sounded absolutely terrible and she was in the quote Unquote Popular Group. So I was about that a lot. I mean I'll say that I definitely was ostracized for my female front group. I think going into senior year so I spent my here pretty much like my two close girlfriend best friends and then my boyfriend a lot but like I. There's for me there there's always infighting even in the most like inconsequential of groups. But I was looking back on it and just thinking about how often and frequently like they. The popular girls were like tagging someone in and tagging other people out in terms of the lead bitch position and specifically in this movie stacey that character gets a lot of glow that I don't really understand and I want to know from you guys us were sort of breaking this down. What you Nikki's motivation is in like Cape Ing so hard for Stacey a person who's never asked for it like why she she needed to be her second fiddle almost also this whole movie almost shot-for-shot reminded me of mean girls yes I wrote that down in my notes. I said this appears to rip off of me and I mean are we fighting with Tina fey. No because this movie out before mean girls dead did it. I mean girls came out in two thousand four. Maybe I don't know for. This is my other theory with odd girl out. We can't put the Internet aside without Acknowledging Lake that this movie may have sat on the shelf for a little bit. But Oh for sure. You're younger than me is. So maybe you're more involved with like Alexa Vega's career. Because I did not see spy kids. I don't really know about that whole world. I know that most of the people on this movie are still acting which is great. There's a lot of people on your that. Went on to do series and movies and all sorts of stuff very successful like even the people that don't have pictures and IMDB had a great career. But yeah do you do you know like what if she was famous like that was she she life teen star so I I think you are right. I actually do know a little bit about a her trajectory in that I do you feel like she almost had a a opportunity to sort of go into more teen girl movies to give you another example. She was in a movie called sleepover. Does that ring any bells to you. You should this so this movie came out in two thousand four. I'm looking at the poster. oester this movie. I saw in theaters but I was in eleventh grade And this movie is of bound. Oh it also so stars will then I just wanted looking for because I'm GONNA. I'm looking at right now. I'm just like I wonder who are co stars are because that would help me a lot. I I would guess that I haven't seen it. I went through up Prussia and after college where I just didn't see movies for like four years because I was afraid to feel things because I was was poor so I missed a lot of okay. Jane Lynch was in it. Sarah Pat who we love from the Alcoholic alchoholic movie. WHO's a cousin? The bill Paxton and the kid or he's an adult now. WHO's an American Horror Story Evan? Evan Peters meters yeah he's in it as like a dating hike up tall skater. I yes I did recently see that but he plays like a like a skater. Your kid who has a crush on one of the girls but anyway this is the This is what it says on. Its four best friends. Desperate to improve through their social status. Enter into an all night scavenger hunt against the popular click in their school. So this came out the same year as odd girl out I and so I just don't think things fully took off for Alexa Vega. I feel like she almost like I don't know what comes below golden age but like whatever that is it was below that she had a few teen ish movies under her belt and of course spy kids which I feel like I don't know things could I'm not necessarily surly sure what the best case scenario was for her career But yeah I don't necessarily I. I take back what I said about this being a rip off of mean girls because yes it does have to do with a high school clique. But it's also not funny and it and I don't think it was ever intended to be funny and mean girls is funny so no it's it's more like the going straight from school to the mall late. Just this sort of light cuts that they did. I was like others. Feels like very blueprint Ed Also the fact that this was raised raised on Based on odd girl out the hidden culture of aggression and girls Which is a book? And and I know that mean. Girls is based on Queen Bees and wannabes which was a book about psychology. That I got Absolutely railed for when I took out a library in class and I had so many fucking late views that I thought I was going to have to take out alone. Book almost really early brought me down. we just really quickly. Why did you go to four colleges? Oh okay so. I went to four colleges because I should have just taken a year off because I was seventeen. I graduated Nakas. I'm super smart but because my birthday is in October And at least where I like. I went to school in West Hartford Connecticut. We were all very deeply pressure to immediately enter into college so I went to to a college that I didn't even like I didn't get into any of the schools I applied for it. I was not a great student But I think my street smarts are there but so I went to a I went to school with my then best friend from high school. I followed her to her like fifth choice school as a psych like Major. That was a mistake so I dropped out then. I followed my other best friend to school. As a psych major hated that dropped out and then realize I wanted to do film and TV so then I eventually moved to. New York did like a summer program at NYU and and then graduated from Brooklyn College Doing Film and TV. Where's that was a movie? I don't even know but I did. A one woman woman show about it. Called College Sucks Two summers ago So you know I need to get it out to the schools just to like try and explain to kids. It's a they don't need to go to a private university. And also they're going to be paying back their student loans for the rest of their lives And also like take a year off. That's my advice. Well for my fire up in Massachusetts I will say that like it was very much steam energy around like you have to go to college. I don't know if that's like a northeastern thing. I feel like we're especially college. Heavy up there but Yeah no it wasn't an option. There was like a couple of kids that took a gap year but that was considered a real sort of sideways. Loser move at the time I think wasn't appreciated for what it really is. which is like I don't know I think probably the appropriate break and learning how to be a human in between high school and College But oh I love that you okay? I love that here from the northeast there on that I'm standing. I feel we should sort of get into the movie but I do want to say I'm going through some IMDB Trivia. Oh love okay. The film was released a package of four lifetime movies on DVD titled Surviving High School All the other films on the DVD included for one night. Perfect teacher in Augusta gone. I this sounds familiar to me as someone that watched a lot live TV around that time. Yeah perfect teacher. I'm assuming that that teacher was not a perfect teacher. I have not seen perfect teacher. I don't think they were good teacher. And I'm going to tell you also just before we really get into this. That I'm looking over this sleepover. IMDB page in. Its formidable like there's some career stars on this list Steven Rayle seems like an Brie Larson Laker. UK America's Larson. You GotTa Watch this movie. I'm sad you can't act. I don't think you could cover it on the pod because it's not lifetime but I think you should watch maybe for on for for educational purposes. Yeah you should definitely fleet check it. I mean yeah. This is something that I'll watch on my own. It is a very low score though on Meta score. It's only thirty three but seems pretty bad. I'll oh I have never checked score. I usually go by rotten tomatoes but I will check metascore. I don't trust anyone. I mean I'm going off off what's the pay on the page here at IMDB. I wonder if they're in like a competition with rotten tomatoes. If that's why they don't have the tomatoes score up our. Let's get into the movie this is Brought to us by barn halts entertainment which I don't remember ever seeing on any other movies so I'm really hoping this is not good. You Know Teen Movie Production Auction House. I think you'd probably was to say I liked the fond of the movie right away like the positioning on the screen got. They did a good job although the title font or like the the different titles free doctor that felt a little bit more Janki to me. we start up on like a kind of gritty hard hard rock sound alike song and almost image of town waking up for the morning and getting ready to start the school day. It looks like one of those rose. Don't do drugs commercials. Doesn't it the way that it's filmed in the beginning for sure. Yeah and the music really brought me back to two thousand five. It was very very like was this from a free music website. Where you know? They're vaguely copying like fall out. Boy and my chemical romance but yes I would say the cinematography and the music definitely was slightly jarring. There's a blink. Eighty two hopeless small things Sound Lake buried somewhere in here. And it's like so clear that it's that but I do. I do love it when like lifetimes letting you know. Hey man this is hard okay. Okay and they just go hard was Razi can be. I think. That's fine with the kids are running around in the halls of the school like animals like as soon as people people get in there. There's no decorum. I think that there was a little messing around in my In the halls of my middle school in high school but this this was really like a bunch of untrained animals to me. I couldn't believe that that is how they were acting at school. I was just too afraid the whole time I was there there Yeah so out of this group emerges the popular girls right away. We see three girls walking together. It's Vanessa Nikki and Stacey. DC's played by Leah Pipes. Who's famous I guess? And then Elizabeth Rice. I haven't seen what Nikki's up to Elizabeth Rice. She's still working not so much. Tell Ya. Yeah Alexa Vega to bully. Be Honest is the only one I really whose face really stuck out to me. Everyone else looks vaguely familiar. But I couldn't place a any of the other popular girls in anything else. Did You Watch Madman E- teeny tiny tiny bit. But not real. One Who plays Nikki played Margaret Sterling. And I've never seen that act show but it seems like she was on pretty much for the entire run of it which is impressive. Good for her. That's also such a low bar. I feel like the more people in production. That are listening to this podcast. Eventually we've had some writers who have tuned in I should probably unless unless surprised when these people after lifetime because in reality this is like the perfect jumping off point integrate resting place for a lot of amazing actors. I still remember What is it Marcia? Gay Harden the mom in chief is note. That's oops at tiffany embassies. And she's the MOM IN A. She's too young. Yeah I believe she is yours. Hilary Swank it away. I think I can't remember if we determined if there was a movie that you guys may have covered. That was lifetime but it was called dying to belong done that no but okay unless the double title. So but hilary swank was hasn't been in any of the movies we've done so far I think a wide span like it's been a while now. I didn't think we'd do more than fifteen episodes of this show but here we are so right away. They're having sort of like a little catty. Shot about school. I heard Algebra causes brain damage in rats. That's only if if you study for the test then I'm good So they don't like school that's great CC's the ringleader of the popular girl. I was a girl. Oh caused down the hall to say hi and she turns back and then she complimentary skirt and then turns back to her friends. And it's like I wore that when I was six. That was the first part of mean girls girls. I was like it's like why the skirt get any other item of clothing so Stacey turns to Vanessa. WHO's our lead and says you don't like that skirt you like that skirt? Don't you mess. And she goes five pounds ago. Yeah cece goes the Greatest Bod and then nicky chimes in with five pounds ago. Yeah so these girls who were all skinny legends. They're all just middle school. Oh girls with great middle school girl bodies you arrest me Feel comfortable saying that but like let's be Real Geezer Caesar. These are all very American checks. Right answer the whole thing with them with though the fatness the whole time. Confused me because it's not like any of them could ever remotely be confused for being overweight or gaining weight. Although I think that that's probably not the point with this movie but it was also very petty. That's what seems I don't know that kind of threw me off because it wasn't even like you could argue that that person gained weight. I don't think it was. I don't know it just seemed lazy to me. The weight thing is interesting because there were some gals that I remember from high school that I would put the. Let's call them the the popular so I realized that the popular crowd at my high school. We call the preppy kids. Yes which is very interesting arresting to think about now as a you know in terms of a class structure was like. Oh we call the preppy kids the popular kids. 'cause they had the most money interesting thing but Thinking back to some of the girls in that group there were some girls in that group that we're very thin. Yeah and though I was not part of it I definitely I heard some very mean things like mean rumors about these girls including things about eating disorders so to me I feel like if you have nothing left. That's mean to say about somebody like if you're hanging out with other people that all have money and there's anything left that you could pick at a girl for that would regardless of how she actually looked feel like wait is where you go just the in terms of like what is a cruel thing that is going to get to another human being or a girl specifically totally so I wasn't necessarily thrown off by this because I unfortunately these are things that I these kinds of have comments were things that were flying around my high school so they were. I mean shocking Felix. Fat is the pejorative get that gets thrown at girls. Like often Lake Lake could be not dissimilar someone calling like a guy like. Oh that's so gay or whatever like it could be used as a majority of in that sense. Maybe you're not fat but like your quote unquote emotionally emotionally fat. Which I think is off about alliance insecure and you're showing weakness of any kind which God forbid you do when you're under fifteen gene But yeah I agree with you. The girls at my school recalled preps I never even thought about how that sort of equated to family family financial status or even just how you sort of showed up in the world like it wasn't always rich kids in my school but it was definitely but then again I you know my best friend from alimentary school turned goth. So you know I don't know But okay so then someone runs up to the girls and it's like there's a fight going on in the gym and the girls go watch it and it's basically a full brawl between this guy's name as raw and this guy named Tony and Tony is the guy like he's the hot guy at school. Everyone knows it. Did you have a guy like that at your high school that was just like Oh. He's the champ like he's the one if there's anything I. The alike did not match up to films for me. It's that that guy. I don't think he fully existed in in in my high school I think but there were a bunch of dudes that were like you know had a lot of friends or like everyone knew who they were but like. We didn't have any good sports. Teams teams like we didn't have any star athletes and we didn't have any dudes that I would say we're like you know like Whoa. That guy's super hot like we. I never felt like we really had that but I understand in theory who that guy is and I feel like we all in in my classic two thousand five missed out on that guy but I know who we just guy winner-take-all eight like there were like or he's like an eight but then also so. His parents are relaxed which I think relaxed keyword like they just had a little bit of an extra long leash on them but not too long they were still clean. You know what I mean. They had someone they reported to and they showered every day and they wore their white hot or whatever but we definitely hardly ate there. There was no standout like Samuel type of guy but like lots. There's maybe like a good six guys that were like okay. I've got my eye on him when I have since seventh grade Yeah but Tony is the guy at the school and the girls clearly all that. Tony is hot but stacey in particular feels I would. I'd say entitled to Him. Yup which is like I think what makes her the Queen Bee and makes me a little bit confused. About why like for example. Nikki has such a raging hard on for stacy. I never really understood except for maybe some sort of animal instinct to keep herself under or some sort of shelter protection by like being friends with the hot popular girl. I can't understand why Nikki is so like driven throughout this movie to protect Stacey it's GonNa probably probably get annoying. How many times I say that? No I'm well. I'm glad you brought it up. That might say I did write this down now. This might come from me being by feet tall but I wrote down. I was like what you know tall and rich so like I'm wondering wondering if that's just a lethal combo you're you're a tall girl and you're rich. Could that be the specific reasons why she was queen. B because certainly really no. It doesn't necessarily feel like especially thinking back to who these girls were in high school. It's like every there there you know since high school isn't real life. It's not like any one stood out for any particular reason and the reasons that you know people's Out were very like I don't know Superficial so I don I. If it was it could be money and in this case of the movie I obviously when they went shopping there was you know she. What's the most popular girl? Stacey Stacey spent you know hundreds of dollars on gene without. She's in Hong without thinking. So this goes back to my wild theory that all of this goes back to her being tall the tallest one. That is hilarious will gain Should separate because I kept doing this myself. That this is actually middle school No I thought I thought it was high school movie to until the end but it's middle middle schools. So I I I don't know I guess I'm a little bit on the taller side and I never viewed tall. We all think it's better on the other side right but but I always thought like being tall is a disadvantage. Like you're just large. You take up more space than like a girl more interesting to be petite you you know but we're onto operas opposite ends of the spectrum. Clearly like I think that that's where. Yeah we stacey out somewhere in the middle but yeah so oh see see. Is You know laying it on thick with Tony. But he very clearly has his sights on Vanessa and she wipes a footprint off of his head. there there is a full-blown footprint on his head from this fight. which to me? Feels like the beginnings of like C. T. e. like that's how it starts is just when you're kicking kicking the shit out of each other in the gym and then no one sends anyone in the hospital after what C.. T. E. C.. T. is like the brain disease. Is that all the football players got. Oh God Acharya by my friend said to me recently. She's like I think I have. CTE and I was like. I don't WanNa like appropriate an illness but I also think that I have something wrong with my brain like I think that I also have gotten tongue. Cautions Not C. T. E. level. But like I. There's something you know you can only get so many unchecked concussions before something start showing up strangely in your life So we go to a soccer walker game that afternoon soccer's their sport throughout this movie and such a such a girl sport right give the high school girls soccer Stacy's the or track track. I think is also an especially eating disorder and Bob. Do you WanNa be doing movie. That's I think from them. That's like in some writer's handbook that I don't even have personally So there's a girl there who's clearly an outcast abilene. That's what we'll find out later. She just stares through the the chain link chain link fence play which is at the time it seems like she desperately wants to play soccer. But we'll find out that she's much more ingratiated created into the soccer community than we would ever so the whole scene is really long feeling to me just considering how hard it is to tell. What's what's going on? It's cut a little bit like a gatorade commercial where it's just like. Oh foot and the balls hitting the you know the foot's hitting the ball and then the ball ball flies. You'd have no idea like you can't use actually playing soccer well but seems to go on for hours in my mind Anneke and Vanessa are planning on throwing a birthday party for Stacey. Nikki says that she may even get her parents to rent club. One five for them. She just needs Vanessa to invite invite Tony because she's closer with him. I wished it'd be had gotten a little bit more setup on how she tony were close on how Vanessa Tony were closed. Close 'cause there were definitely guys that like. I went to preschool with that. I then went into middle school with and I probably would have felt more comfortable like going to them because we knew each other as toddlers even though we weren't necessarily that friends like how we're Vanessa and Tony so close. That's what I WANNA know. I I don't know and also like their energy doesn't especially because they a they like each other. I think it does seem like they like I liked each other. Yeah like they have like a real but you know at the same time you know. Vanessa knows that she needs to stand down when it comes sustainability and stacy comes right out of the bathroom. The two of them are like trying to come up with an excuse so nicky goes. We were just talking about the new Orlando blue movie and STACEY GOES GOES ON A. He's so over. which is you know a interesting? CONSIDERING HOW ARE ORLANDO. Bloom has gone in his career since he's still hot item. Apparently I I mean to me that I wrote down that piece of dialogue. Because that the way they the way she says it isn't necessarily any way I remember talking as a middle schooler as if you know I picked out something to reference to throw off like a parent like if we were talking about drinking and then they came in the room at an apparent. Like what were you guys talking about. I I have pre written down. Oh we were just talking about the new Orlando Bloom. Film like it right necessarily sound and also they didn't reference which one so to me that gave away very much that this there was is not in a middle school consultant on this film. No I very much imagined. A very adult person was like this is what a teen would say they'd be talking with. The the new you know Orlando Bloom. Film Bowling Okay. This was two thousand five league. What would that have been the Lord of the Rings Three Am? I too believe that these girls went to Lord of the rings three like yeah like and also the ones that came to mind were that and then troy but in troy to me. He's not the hot ticket in that movie. Have I don't know if you've seen troy the minute don't they referenced Troy in the gym because I always like constituency says something to Tony like oh I don't like to think of you. It was like a week I think of you as like a guy from troy. Oh I don't really remember. I think it was something like that and it stuck with me because I was like. I don't know what that means. That's some nerd reference. But like I don't really know was try was a tray was a movie about Brad Pitt's bare ass. I would say that was like the like the big like highlight of that film. I I did see in theaters and I don't think any like like I to me. No one was looking at Orlando Bloom but I was never an Orlando Bloom. Like big fan to be honest. He didn't really do much. We definitely odd like an ironic onic. Orly that's what he called himself or they called him in teen magazines. My friends and I had like ironic. Orly from leg JAS J. Jay Fourteen or whatever the fuck it is posters on our wall of like you know just being dreamy but it was definitely ironic and that was probably in two thousand three three so You need anymore. Prove this movie came out before mean girls or was written before mean girls there it is. I can picture you. Oh you like this movie. Having been shelter for a bit too and F Y Troy did come out in two thousand four. So it's possible Tina Fey okay and you know that's right. Do you think that asked her about hands GonNa kill herself that remaking sorry I should try that and do you think Lindsay Lohan will self harm after hearing that they're taking the mean girls the production and making it into a movie now i. I'm hoping she is not even thinking about that and focused on her. I think the club in in Greece. I I might be behind on like up to date lindsay low hence stuff last. I checked I thought she she had a reality show on. MTV that was canceled after one season then she doesn't know about no Lo Han each sub didn't make it but I do remember that being a thing like a few years ago that Tina fey had to block her in her phone because she was blowing her up. About doing a reboot so much which all I. I didn't know that I would love a drunk really. That'd be great or if she did that. There's that service where celebrities send you messages is. I just remember seeing that What's his name from sugar? A mark McGrath went by really broke broke up I could if Lindsay Lohan got into that I think she could make a nice chunk of change. Yes she would make huge money on cameo I feel like she could easily charged like five hundred cameo and could you know. Yeah I'm I'm on Cameo you like whip those out in thirty seconds you know I definitely don't I like we'll send someone a four minute just because I'm like oh I feel so bad someone and paid me to talk to them but yeah no I think she could absolutely kill it on cameo I mean do you watch Kardashians ever occasionally. I would say the longest I've ever watched an episode of keeping up with the Kardashians was shortly after I had a surgery Five years ago. Oh I was told by my friend she said you should watch something while you're high on morphine. Something truly brainless So the like. That's the only time I ever watched a full episode. But I have been following up on Kim Kardashians life and definitely check out The sisters on Instagram. Oh Yeah Yeah I mean. That's an American pastime. But on the show. There's this guy it's like this inside. Family joke about this old family friend named todd cranes. I don't know if that sounds familiar but todd cranes charges two hundred and fifty dollars for an instagram shot for a cameo shoutout and I. I paid for that for a friend. Literally was alarming to me. That not only was. He charging two hundred fifty dollars. But that I was willing to pay it So I feel like Lindsey could easily. I mean that's what I want for Lindsey. I don't know if she thinks she that would be like you. Know Unsheathe of her her but I can't imagine that that would be any less chic than Lohan Beach Club. Yeah and also I you know I think it would be nice ace. I know they're turning this musical into movie. Could she get like a small cameo as like a substitute teacher. I don't know if that's in the cards. Probably probably not if I don't think so I think that almost in aware almost viewed the musical getting made into a movie as like an extra fuck you. It's like dude. We're not only not rebooting NECE. But we're like going past that we're in cats town like we're making a movie about the musical so let's go into the lunchroom now painful scenes in high schools. They always take place in the lunchroom in. This movie is no different They go take a seat at their table but emily who was watching them play. Soccer is sitting there basically bullied into moving away from them but before before she. Does she hands. Vanessa Flyer invites her to club soccer. So okay emily like not only. Are you not desiring spot on the soccer team team. But you're already killing it in your soccer universe. So she walks away and of course. Vanessa's like that's weird. What was that her friends are? Obviously you sleep threatened by this and it's it's weird because I think that looking back I I kind of remember shades about showing up like. Oh you're being asked to do something outside of our group like even if it was with a less popular person it was considered a threat right and that's one hundred percent divides you're getting there Then they tease her about it. They're like you know what I think you'd be great so Vanessa's looking over the fire outside of the school when Tony comes over and of course. DC Nikki see this in our immediately put off. Let's player I clip. It's six forty two eight fifteen NASA. Hey I saw you yes practice you rocks. Thanks echoing movie or bend it like Beckham. You saw that. Yeah Yeah. It's like a total chick. That's no I think that's very cool. Really Yeah Rookie. Thinks she's all that no big deal. Let's go maybe like five times. Have you little. Oh sister you know this other guy spent match I allen say anything keep it on the down I gotta go but I'll it's okay. Oh wait I'm actually supposed to tell you that you're invited to stacy's birthday party are you going yes I will tell by Pacey. 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That's friends without the our our best fiends B. S. T. F. E. N. D. S.. So I think that Tony and Vanessa have a very pure friendship chip. I wasn't getting I mean. I know that there's an romantic undertone. That's sort of blossoming there. But I really got like a pure young a young people friendship from that. Of course I think the mean girls are just so quick to over sexualize everything. That's definitely like where things start to fall apart for me is like they're just projecting so much onto every single like indirection in this movie to the point where I I cannot believe that their world it didn't topple on top of them with everything that they put out there. While I I'm wondering like when I think back to middle school I all I had I call it a friend triangle. The guy had to bus friends. I think Middle School is the worst of the worst. I've I've heard that from thinking back to my own experience and and teachers as well like Middle School seems to be a very difficult time for a number of reasons but I don't remember having any like male friends and so like any like that's definitely started having like crushes or you know obsessions Shinzo like writing guys names down in spiral notebooks and putting hearts around their names so like for me. Interacting with with boys was it was the big deal totally I I guess like. If they were older I would like to me I would. I would look get this interaction as like two friends but like only speaking from my own experience. I'm like you if I was talking to a boy in in middle school like I mean nothing would ever happened like I remember. In fifth grade. People were quote unquote getting married in the courtyard. Unlike dating was holding hands or eating lunch together so like whatever the Middle School version is of a romance. It could have been as simple as just a boy and a girl talking. You know what it does that okay. So I think that it's all perspective and like life experience so I have been like sort of mulling going over my head for probably the last year but more intensely over the last week as the grammy's were coming up about how uncomfortable billy eyelashes relationship with her brother makes him name and when I think about it it's simply just because I don't really have siblings and like some people will. I don't have siblings not long long child me town so I just never personally like. I never really understood that bond and almost look at them and I'm like something something. Something is fishy. They're like I don't know what it is but I don't like it. I realized molly you just never had that experience and there was definitely a few kids in middle middle school. Which is why I want sort of more background on how Tony and Vanessa became friends? Say assume it's a similar bond like these girls that were really close with guys in our class. We couldn't understand it and then it just was really that they were sort of neighborhood friends or they had an older sibling. That was friends with them and so they just became more naturally bonded. I always assumed that it was much more insidious than the public just like kids that were around each other and became comfortable trouble around each other and I always like would gender it and like make it something more than it was in my head. Just I didn't have that reference in my life. Well you bring up a good example of some of those Male female friendships. Because my best friend in middle school there was does. She lived in a two family house and she was like brands with the kid who is also in our grade who lived below her and that starts so early so like in terms of just how they knew each other and their energy was very relaxed. Like what's a little little bit with. Throws me off about these two watching Vanessa and Tony is like and also feels weird to talk about two kids that are supposed to be in middle. It'll school but it does feel a teensy bit flirty to me like any of the friendships that I witnessed 'cause I didn't have the first hand of of having friends is that we're boys at that age but the the friends that I did have that had friends that were boys. It was a lot more like bullying ish. If that makes sense at like like they weren't always being like super nice to each other and here it's very like I don't know also I've never seen bend it like Beckham but just the way they were talking about Ben of like I was like. Is it a chick funny. You say that because I pinged on the same thing which is more just like sort of our developments since this movie was made because like now I would be weirded out if a guy didn't see like you know ten ways to lose a guy or something like I feel like. Yeah how to lose a guy in Tony's wherever the fuck that movie's called like I'd be more bearded Outta guy didn't see a really popular lake female lead Then but I think at the time it also I mean. I don't know if you feel this way but when I was a kid I felt like there was so many more movies out in theaters which is probably almost most impossible but or maybe just I lived a really small town life so like every time a movie came. It was a big deal but like there's never I know I was going to say I I felt like I went to the movies. More When I was that age and also when I would go to the movies like their specific movies I remember seeing in theaters and the theater being packed out like I? I remember seeing garden state in theater in theaters I remember seeing Sin City And it was packed. And like you know you see everyone from high school there and stuff so so I do think that going to the movies to me. I could understand why it seemed like there are more movies than because I feel like people made a bigger at the same time I saw training day nine nine times and Shrek Times which just shows you how fucking bored I was. They look does slap and Soda Shrek late. They're both great movie he is but I don't know how my mind was able to like reinvent those scenarios over and over again that I'd WanNa keep going back like what. After the sixth time I saw training day I said to me. You know what you need to see this three more times like maybe I was just anything sober teen who like you know needed something fun I will so I was most yeah I was a sober teen And I also enjoy it. It was really easy to do like double features a At the movie theater that I went to though there were definitely instances in which sometimes my friend and I would go to two or three movies. In one instance since we saw walking tall the remake with the Rock the League of extraordinary gentlemen and bad boys two I think so and so like going to the movies was cheaper back then. Dan and I'm not saying it was okay but easier to sneak into so my bar for what movies I would see was much locally. I don't know how how that factors in for you but that was definitely part of my movie totally know for sure and like we had a nice little trifecta over in Burlington Massachusetts where we would go over to You know you'd not a movie. And then he could go to Chili's needed head over to the mall and then which is right across the street and then you go back to the movies and like all of that was pretty walkable. And then someone's mom which is coming up at the end of it but you could really kill like ours in that little circle and to see movies and can go to macaroni grill or whatever else was opened nearby But speaking of malls okay the girls go to the mall This is where I wrote on my notes outs. Is this fucking mean girls because you just see them sort of walk up on Scene and the three of them are just like I don't know their stone cold. Oh bitches so yeah go to a store called blue witch because you're from the northeast which is another reason. Why I'm kind of excited about this? Do you remember historical stoorikhel. Jasmine Sola Not off doesn't not of my head. I was hoping you were going to say. Do you remember weathervane. I don't know if that ring of course. I know whether van but like this store. Blue in particular reminds me of Jasmine Sola. which was it was sort of like boutique shopping for teen girls? And it was like a mini chain and like there would be. I think it was just the northeast and they would have like juice. Guitar in the new would have more higher end denim and then also like dresses and stuff and I would say like nothing was cheap. Like you couldn't get a Tom there for under thirty or forty bucks but it was sort of like you know when you wear. Your mom took you when she wanted to make things is right. You know what I mean like Little Neglect D. League. Then you go to Jasmine Sola. And that's where you get your like hundred twenty-five juicy jeans you know yea I mean to me like my experience was like Abercrombie like I. The my one of my biggest regrets in sixth grade was falling to the pressure of seeing in a lot of kids wearing Abercrombie so I got like the cheapest thing that they had which was at least twenty five or thirty dollars shirt long sleeve that just said Abercrombie on the front and it was an absolute waste of money but it would definitely came from this lake you know. Oh everyone's doing it so I don't necessarily we know if that's the same but definitely overpriced clever shore. Actually it's so funny because at Abercrombie jumped off it just started really existing in my ecosystem. Am I would say around seventh grade so you were like the you know. Abercrombie was really happening. When you were going through middle school and high the school it was like such ordeal to lake afford stuff from that store like in also not really looked good on like developing young body like africom is one hundred percent for a set of people and they're not girls going through puberty and it was very confusing accusing like the the imagery like between the the very pornographic bags with the APPS and whatever body parts that were bear where it would be on there and then you'd have the models I don't know if you've ever had the pleasure of seeing Abercrombie model standing yeah layer in la though lake? Oh yeah is it like that imagery was I think very confusing. If you're that young as if you're supposed to be fooled into thinking like is that going to be me if I put on this thirty dollars sure I don't know but the marketing worked for. Oh Yeah for sure until at like went terribly wrong. I think that that was a thing like I feel like Abercrombie. Got Me to before anyone where it was just like. Yeah it's a shit show on these sets and like whatever else. I was always surprised on on his sleeve for like a state. That didn't sell liquor on Sundays that we had like Abercrombie full-blown portrait center a mall. That always surprised me just as we we're just such a conservative place Okay so let's move forward so St C. N.. Nikki or shopping. It becomes obvious right away that Vanessa sort of over more towards the sale rack Nikki's kind of poking at Stacey being like juic- Vanessa Antoni CICI's like they're just friends whatever The girls are obviously they know why Vanessa shopping in sales but they you know stacy gives her a bunch of stuff to try it on When Vanessa comes out Nikki's like he looks so hot? You Very Britney which she did. She looked very Britney spears. Look sort of that empire waste top with a low rise gene gene. The genes themselves were hundred twenty-five on sale. And she goes. What do you expect through the new? Ultra low rise I HAVE NO TORSO SO I've been looking for ultra low rise because that's like regular rise on me being born with no time so I just say I was probably one of the only people I knew that it in that way. The ultra low rise trend really worked out for me. I'm waiting for that to come back just for that reason. Sorry women out there with the walkout C. C. tells the cashier to wrap up the shirt and jeans up an ESA had on separately their gaffed. So Vanessa uncomfortable with this but stacey picks up I I think it was like six hundred and forty dollars hundred dollars just gives you the card without thinking which was like a purchase that I would make as an adult. When I was very stupid with money versus ever confidently putting that on someone else's card as a teenager I mean I I you know I dream of having a an extremely really wealthy friend but I don't imagine I don't know if that's actually what it's like? It would be a very weird to have somebody just whip out a card and not even really asked me if it was okay and be like. Yeah I'M GONNA spend six hundred dollars on you and you're not GonNa oh me anything that's where my brain would go. I go I'M GONNA. Oh this person something I think if they pay for my child no see like when I first started making money decent money as an adult like I if I bought myself something I would feel almost guilty not not offering to get my friends because I would just be like. I don't know I think I hated being on the other end of that. I think I hated being the friend. That couldn't afford anything and then in your friend was spending all this money so I would get whatever you want like ought to write granted. We're not doing Fred Segal but like I would always do stacy's confidence about spending her parents. Money though is interesting because Y- spending thanks Daddy. That's what she says. I exactly something so. They're starting to leave the store and she says that She would she finds a shirt that's in her back pocket. which is like this is all a setup? This is all psychological warfare. She Finds Shirt Black Hawk. It and she goes. Oh I would get back in line and pay for this but the lions so long can you just put it in your bag Vanessa and Nikki's like like only bags so small. I would do it if it wasn't you know so small like Stacey says so Vanessa basically winds up shoplifting just to make anthem moment go by more smoothly which is just so fucked up when you think about it. I don't know if you've ever had like shoplifting friends but I did and it was wild to me I mean listen I if there was one rebellious as speaking of somebody who I I would say. I'm not particularly rebellious or was not stealing a as an eighth grade ninth grade Eleventh Grade Girl Very Popular Ferry Trendy Indie Stealing from weathervane. Clair's so I will admit I felt the pressure a little like I specifically had an incident with a friend and she in both shoplifted so I will say part of it came from pressure. But I don't think anyone ever was like shoplift this for me when I was shoplifting lifting. I was shocked shoplifting for myself and you can use that you can quote me on that. Yeah no I mean listen more power to you like I just never had the brave brave bravery to pull that off. It was a really stupid thing to do. And I you know when I think back on that I think it comes back to boredom mm-hmm honestly because I'm like like especially I didn't need to be stealing and neither were the girls that I knew were stealing like I honestly just think it was like did. Did we have have nothing better to do that. We were like okay. I'm GonNa Steal this Bra from. Victoria's secret cool. I was yeah I think stream about this Ford like for a lot of the girls. Yeah I knew that were my all my best girlfriends like in my group. Were not just shoplifting. But like power shoplifting. Leg when I look on it like I it's crazy that they would like walk into the mall and like leave with three new pairs of shoes and jeans and jewelry shirts and like all this different stuff when I look back and I'm just like fucking crazy that they would do that and I think that ultimately in the long run it became about the horde and like having this is sort of shit in your closet that your mom has no idea that you have but I at the same time. My mom was like you know just helicopter enough that that she would be like. Where did that come from? And if I didn't have an answer for that then I wasn't going to risk out so I never even borrowed closed for that reason but Well let's never too late to start. Let's go on a little bit Vanessa Room that night. Her Mom is watching her. Try on on her new clothes. I think And then we're going to hear her on the phone with Stacy we're GONNA play eleven forty one to thirteen seventeen. That is so cute on you. I felt kind of funny though lending stacey pay for it sometimes. It's more awkward to refuse a gift. Just look at it a stacy's way of saying that she loves you. That your best friend me and Nikki do so many friends from your my. No I wish I did dwelt fatness. Oh Yes Jain Norma's put this on and cover yourself ourselves right now. Are you serious. Yes my gosh I would have died. No seriously died I mean what do you think he was doing conducting an archaeological digging your mouth seriously. His tone was darting in and out like he was trying to puncture my face. I thought the sixteen year olds knew how to kiss. Okay you go okay well. It wasn't like anything major. But there's really hot guy and his name was tamp we. I went out for camp. I mean he was really indie rock but he was only like a year older than me. So and uh-huh and what else do you want to know during details at least give me numbers. Well they definitely wanted to go three but I am so serious you can say anything. I even made him promise. I promise Thomas Not even Nikki. I swear I will not tell Seoul. So Vanessa got fingered at Camp uh-huh Classic Cam. Yeah I mean it always happens a camp. I went to girl scout camp. Probably for this reason. Because it was important for my mom to keep me Virginal Ashraf but my main takeaway from this scene is just like how there were no boundaries at this age in your life league not only. Did you feel comfortable asking asking her friends like what happened. But you were like no like literally give me your number now. I've never heard of number. Give me your number in like in terms terms of did you go to first second third or not. That home is a number that you know. I was surprised at. That's where they were going with this when she said like second third I was like okay. Thank God she's not giving a body count but like there was the time of life for you. Were absolutely not only. Did you feel like it was okay to ask your friends ends up. You felt entitled to asking your friends like what their hook-up history was and then you absolutely judge them for it. Oh Yeah I mean I the the one two and three was interesting just because she I was slightly thrown off when she said one two and three. Because I I I was trying to remember the basis of French feel finger. Fuck Yeah Oh a basis. It's burned in time. Bring you burned into your brain. And that was that was less concerning to me. Then the casual reference to making out with a sixteen year old. I was like wait. Are you in middle school. What is your age I mean an age gap release. I don't think they were great back then. It definitely was cooler up with an older guy. But you definitely judged girl if you were like in middle school and she was hooking up with a high schooler like that was a little to the edge but I agree there were definitely no boundaries lake one example though I was not hooking up in middle school I definitely remember number instances in which I love and still do love watching horror movies but there were like basilic times I can remember being young and like having seen a scary removing a friend's house and then one of us being like I'm too scared to go like go to the bathroom alone and then I'm like I or she would get in the shower and then the other person that would be so they didn't have to be alone so that's that's my example of crossing boundaries. A middle schooler. I just don't necessarily see that happening. Now unless one of us was extremely totally forgot that that was thing like waiting in the shower while your friend peed. I mean I was just scared to tell you doc because I was absolutely a probably something. I've never heard another person sale allowed to me before. But that's absolutely NACHO experts right in if you've sat in the shower by your friends of peed hit us up on social subscribe. That's crazy that okay. Okay while you just sparked something blew my own mind by saying that out loud but so glad to know. This was not welcome to the family. So we go to this Internet cafe. And we're going to know that this is an inter net cafe because there's like little webs that break up each section. There's like little sculptures cultures of webs. And I I love good. Internet cafe seen something that I've never seen outside of traveling in a foreign country Like Hanley see them when you're like in Mexico or Europe or something but in movies outlays are the realist presence. Sure it's where you you know. Teens go to or middle schoolers. Go hang out with the CYBERCAFE so they decide to do a little contest with a girl who has the lowest. GPA has to do whatever the other run say. So Craig. I mean even when I was watching this to you though I was like. I guess there's worse things like. They're holding each other accountable. But this whole thing gets hit turned on its head because Stacey is a three point seven five. Vanessa's a four point. Oh plus honors. But somehow this turns into Nikki being like no Vanessa. You have to do what we say. And we never got around news jeapordy eh GPA. But like whatever so they're like why don't you tell him if he asked Stacey out she'll go out with him so this was all a setup. I think the whole time like most things were at this age where it was like. No one was ever really just going into truth or dare like raw like you all had a list of questions that you were to ask if we went into their mode. So Vanessa winds up doing the bat. Vanessa's mom reads a report. Card out loud. She's so proud of her. She's like did you. Facts the report card to your dad. He's so proud of you and she's like yeah I did and he and his wife wants. We just spend the summer in Spain with them and mom says it's fine with her if she can learn you know she can learn the language while she's air. It'll be a good thing. She's a suggests that they go out and celebrate. Maybe they can do a joint good grade slash stacy's birthday type of thing and she shoots her mom down and says that Nikki's parents are planning it. They don't need help from them. She's basically usage. Like what a stupid idea. I'm like why would be plans to use his birthday which starts to like sort of show that she is not really being herself a little a bit like something that Tom made such natural sense. She is like da mob. Nikki's parents are taking care of this. She takes off to her bedroom and her mom calls after her are she has no idea what exactly does that she said. I think that this scene could have been played better or I needed one. More earth thing in the writing. But it wasn't clear to me that things were disjointed other than what I really thought about it and tried to figure out what was happening in that seem. So Nikki Sees Vanessa Antoni talk in the hallway right away. It's like a whole thing as if they hadn't told her the night before to make this exact scenario oriole happen. This is going to immediately turn into a whole thing. Practically out of nowhere continuing to lunch for the popular group is now doubled in size. So let's play a sixteen fifty three to eighteen thirty five and get it. Why are you pushing Stacey on me? Carr's you really likes you. She's cool and all I'm not into Stacey Johnson my God. I can't believe she would do that to stay on a slice and her clothes were eighty and I was looking at a hair found or more. Never Take Gardner. Oh come on nick. I know you've got an SUV for parking. Despite plenty of room over there guys take space. We'll talk later okay. So we saw Vanessa get sent to the outcast table over with emily and some other poor girl that will never get a name This blonde girl named Tiffany has joined the group. I believe. That's who tiffany is Alicia official Morton. Who is the actress doesn't have photo on? IMDB which is sad. It always makes me wonder what happened about time we get a blonde villain in in the mix. Oh yeah okay so I will say that. During the scene it becomes apparent that the only like physical difference between Stacey Nikki besides height is that Nikki wears like lipstick. Stacey has like a loss and Nikki's wearing like a Pale pink lipstick and that's it's like Her defining characteristic I in these movies gets really hard for me especially with like teen girls or something where I feel like. Everyone's a little their their features and their wardrobe is a little bit underdeveloped. Like I always feel like everyone who has the same hair is the same person But I do like that. They gave Mickey is some lipstick to stand out. You know I will see that like this. Whole scene has seems really dramatic? But I'm going to have to beg everyone to go back doc to middle school in their brains for just a moment and remember how much things could change over the course of literally like two or three classes like once once you get people in their individual classes stirring up their own shit. If you were someone that had like two periods away from your close friends you had no idea what you. We're coming to lunch too and that is exactly what happens in this scenario because while you know Vanessa's Ben. Whatever clashes in after speaking? Tony Nikki in this blonde girl have stirred up a whole universe around her that she's just so clueless about As if she had an ass as if see NASCAR all of this to happen in the first place where at soccer practice the next day and it's heated. Nikki stops the ball when Vanessa goes to kick it and calls her a Wuss a whore and a slot not real quick by the way like this is. We're on the other side of not even twenty four hours. Vanessa goes running off the field and when the teacher asks what's wrong Nikki. Nikki says she's going to go cry. Vanessa's mom asked her if she's a ride that night and she says that she's staying home snuck in the movies anymore. Stacy hates her now. Her mom wants to know if she did something to upset her tease. Her was she critical. Mom says that whatever it was it will pass. This is what happens sometimes with girlfriends. So this is where we learn. That not only is stacy's mom a friend. Vanessa's mom but she's also a client of hers. This is the next day in in Stacy's Vanessa's MOM's office. She comes knocking at her door. And and the two of them child will be discussed into your design while she's there. Vanessa's mom mentioned to her. That Vanessa Stacey got into some sort of fight CICI's mom says that that's how things go when you're that age agent. She said that the two of them will get back on track soon. They agree that they would do anything to never go back to the difficult agent life. which is I don't know I mean it's something that you say is an adult but I don't think you can ever go back and like truly grip horror? It's like childbirth like I think that like once you everyone got nice to each other on the last day of eighth grade. Do you remember that like the last two weeks of middle school. Were like a breeze. All of a sudden honestly the first time I felt that was a senior. Europe is okay. That is when that moment happened where everything changed like I had a lot more friends. Everyone got cool at really really cool at high school like I remember going to the garage parties and after Prom and like all of a sudden I was drinking at a party with every popular kid knows that excuse. He's like what like. Why did I literally couldn't believe it? I think there's a guard that goes down a little bit right. Oh Yeah Oh for sure. Absolutely one. One thing I thought was an interesting detail just to show us the disparity in wealth. was that Stacy's mom is wearing the very dramatic string of pearls and I just thought there was no Good call that they had to make sure we just remembered. She's got although I do like in these as movies when the arbiter of class is like technically. The less wealthy person sees mom is going to Vanessa's mom for interior designers by switch. I feel like is so perfect. Like perfect truth Just my mom was very snazzy everyone you know and we were like a single mom only child situation so Stacey Texts Nicky from her sidekick I love they add in the I guess like Trivia for this movie that Stacy's on a sidekick to and I'm like if you had to tell me I know that phone anywhere in the two. I never had one but I read magazines in the early two thousands. So they're Gossiping Vanessa behind her back right in front of her our face and that's just a maddening feeling. I don't know if you've ever been there relate to your friends one hundred percent shit talking. You're doing something right in front of you but behind your back. Actress enough Shorter I've been there. So Nicky sons. A hugs to Vanessa and it says Vanessa's thing. She's all that but everyone really. We hates her. And it's unclear whether or not this was like a mass taxed or if this was supposed to go to stacey but either way it wound up in Vanessa's his lap. So at lunch the girls are looking over their shoulders at the outcast. He'll and laughing at something on a laptop and you can just hear this much much much sound and we're gonNA play. We're we're going to play this clip but the outcast girl from the club soccer team. Emily joins Vanessa at the lunch table. And let's play twenty three twenty two to twenty four fifty three losers table I he missed the action in English today Maki was moby big. We needed some mighty stick a Harpoon in our as you know why they keep dogging obviously it is something to stacy. I just don't know what it is. They do it because they know it gets to you. A call him the white tornadoes ornate. Because they destroy whatever's in there and it doesn't bother you. They don't have anything that I want. And so you WanNa come with me to club soccer kind of busy thanks here. WanNa see your idea for the book cover and Roy uh-huh in your uh-huh okay. Dad like little like Munch Munch Munch Munch Gif. Or whatever. The fuck you'd call that that like Small compared program that they built is actually I think hilarious. But you know it's like truly goes to show how young these girls girls are because you would have to be so young that that wouldn't be funny to you that you would take that as a personal attack which you know is terrible mm-hmm and also like the irony of this girl with a mouthful of braces who like actually looks more like an awkward teen than like the Star of our movie who oddly in the this scene reminds she. Looks like Joe Joe like the pop star Jo-jo. Oh yeah yea just won. A grant her a Wa- you know. Here's the thing I I don't think Joe Joe did win a grammy. I think that she was on a song that won a grammy. But she's not GonNa get a grammy because she didn't do the lyrics that's right though in my mind. Then she went. I mean I'm just happy. She at night like I'll be real with that's right me too But yeah how was that supposed to be a yearbook cover. I mean what having now seen this movie A couple times recently. I I am assuming. Are we to believe leave. That Nikki is the one creating these videos these. I assume that the technology clearly like gets kicked into high gear wants once the blonde comes around late. They weren't really interesting. I don't think Nikki had their resources on her own but like when you know coupled with Oliver for peers like she they definitely were able to take that caddy and put it onto the screen but she was sending wild texts out before for. They were building small. I don't know what you would call that not a gift not a game not a site. It's just you know something going. Munch Munch Munch Munch and. I just think that's all this film was missing was the scenes in which her and the blonde or however many Eighteen girls were hunched over. A computer. creating this image of her burping and farting walls muffin. That's all I that that's what I was doing. I just thought she was eating. She was like eating. She's it was. She took that a quick pick of her eating Her muffin at the Internet cafe. He's in that I'm so blind and also not with that. I thought it was like Camila Street. Oh No I think that. Was the screen chat. She took like a very like I remember hearing her camera flash on her flip bone but she took like a little screen shot of her when she was taking a bite of her mother and I it's unbelievable and and just all from that she created this most. I mean this is what makes me sad is that I think It might be that the guys are involved now because now that they've started on Vanessa. It just gets worse and more and more people join this party and I will say you. I'm a little disturbed that we didn't get any technical advances like we did with that little munch munch thing before the guys started to show up on their radar. Because I'm like you don't need a guy to insult your girlfriends ends over the Internet. You can do that on your own girls. I I honestly believe I just looking at Nikki. When she was looking at what what she saw as a betrayal of her? What's Alexa Vega Bega Vanessa getting asked out by Ryan like it looked like she was getting off on it like she was like peaking at them and like this like creepy smile curls over face so just with her hatred or or whatever desperation she has to get of an ESA out of the picture. I'd led to believe that she you know watched the O. but they didn't have like see. I was picturing. She was watching videos. The oath like how to videos on youtube like that wasn't an option so I just like to think that she self taught herself how to make that burping and farting that'd be ideal for shore four.

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