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Episode 226: Farewell Tommy Kahnle + CC Documentary Recap

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Episode 226: Farewell Tommy Kahnle + CC Documentary Recap

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We don't wanna part of it so obviously getting together where a real family or boys You know it's the it's the right thing to do right now. So you know we're doing that with miller miller lite and to give work holiday parties you proper sendoff is teaming up with a visual artist by the name of alex prager for a full exhibit called farewell work holiday parties y well nothing says farewell to an old tradition senior in a museum to celebrate all the extra miller time With a real friends the season whether it's virtual or not get great tasting less filling miller lite delivered going to miller lite dot com and find delivery options near ut miller time celebrate responsibly as always miller brewing company walk. Tonight's calories per twelve ounces could be drinking quite a few miller lite tonight porn some out for our fallen comrade tommy. Canley is gone. It's the way it was the one day because like you know so it's wednesday. You know where this is. Our one of our only two weeks really awesome work july fourth other one so i was like okay wednesday going to sleep in a little bit half still do some work. Obviously but Woke up at like noon. Twelve thirty and got cut the fucking ken. Rosenthal tweet sent to me. That town mckinley signed with the dodgers. And i know we're all on pins and needles here about digital mayhew. But that's just a fucking i mean. Sure he's gonna miss the whole year anyways but it's just a gut punch to see tommy canley signs and it's not the yankees and that guy going to grow. His beard out is mullet. He's going crazy his hair and it's going to be for the l. A. dodgers not the yankees and that just fucking broke my heart this morning. Yeah sucks. I mean you sent the a tax than our short group chat saying i want a di- you jay news. I thought it was gonna be something much worse than that. I mean good socks tommy. John was a fun part of the team but to me like real heartbreak without got tommy. John's out this year anyway. So yes sucks. That in twenty twenty two will be on. A different team won't be a part of this year. But i don't know i i feel like the tough news with him. Sort of has already happened this. This was maybe a little bit more of kicking the nuts. But i kind of wasn't expecting anyone that is true. Two thousand twenty two problems as worry about that yet. Look at you with a real mike. What the fuck is that like. That sounds nice Holy molar your podcast. And now jesus yeah. You're you're on other story to me. It's very nice and doesn't give me any promised me a new laptop of the year. Guess what the end of the year fucking scumbag replace right now. Basically like that's how bad it is. That's always be charged. But the to no surprise. Tommy's not gonna feel like that heartbroken mckinley leaving you know he's going to downplay and all that i don't know maybe i was just a really really big family guy from the start and then finally get him on. The podcast was so dope. And yeah i mean like i don't know it just sticks like britain's tweet zach. Britton was like really sad like that relationship has gone now. Tommy canley. that's hurts. Ma'am hurts a little bit more than it. Should it hurts. I think the overall like culture of the yankees and stuff but understand we gotta save. I wanna die tweets for if the gentlemen that i'm just dishes known positive news everything's bad. There's no positive news. Say i'm getting sick of the new york yankees. I am getting real sick. We're sitting around the entire time. And i see nothing being done. Yeah and like so. We avoided complete disaster. Because if i woke up to tommy canley signs for the red sox. Today i would have. We would do pockets. 'cause that'd be dead. Apparently they were the runner up here and had a competitive offer that would have been. I know i could not just that would have been impossible. Perfect oh four sock to personality definitely definitely gets him and millar would have been like the palace no doubt his his contract. That's like five or fifty five hundred fifty thousand dollars. Bonus seven fifteen. Two thousand twenty one three point five in two thousand twenty two which is expected to come back with more bonuses. Whatever matches nothing to five million dollars like you can't just fuck that man if they don't do if he god help he's if they don't bring back digital may who like this would be the worst season ever be unbelievable. I don't know what their plan is. I truly just don't know what the yankees plan is right now. It's not. I don't think it's going to end up. Well i have no. I have no reason to believe they're going to figure this out the right way. Yeah i have no hope anchor becoming franchise that up losing all their like like you lost Dd last year. You'll lose keenly role mine role mine. Yeah i feel like i mean. Cc retired obviously. But i just feel like they've lost so many of those character guides gardner again. He's a high he's a high clubhouse guy but so much what made the yankees fund. The past few years. I feel like is is going away so i better start fucking winning. Because we're going to be a nap on team. That doesn't win i think. Those boring stiffs on the planet. If they're gonna win they're gonna win a world series and i don't care but it's like being like the next move honestly like if we're just going down this path of misery where like the endpoint is dj signing with somebody else. The next point is like trading void. Like how much you wanna break my soul. I'm really wanna like. How defeated do you want me to look look void. Being traded would be the next step if we're just going down that path if he's don't resigned dj. I really think fans. We all need to look at ourselves in the mirror and consider making a statement to this franchise we need. I know. i don't know how. What does tommy smokes. Do to make this statement not buy tickets next year. I mean i know there might not be fans but whenever whenever there are fans again. We don't buy tickets. We don't buy any merchandise. we like. they don't signed it. There is no excuse for not signing. Dj if they don't sign dj were were like swapping with the white sox like white softer trying to make big moves. They were the joke franchise. And now it's like the the fucking yankees are doing. Nothing i just. Don't get how nothing's been done. He was on our team. He wants to be there fucking figure it out. Well the good news is they just want to all series and eleven and the report now a deejays. It's five for one twenty five and he's not budge. That's a little different from five for one hundred and the yankees were like four for seventy five. It's no he was five for one twenty five. That's a big difference to me. The big ask but meet in the middle. She'll do it in a heartbeat. But i'm just saying like how far off they are people like. Oh it's just a little bit of money. He's like that's a lot of money. I don't know that's a lot of money. They're often A name that's come up. Which i have been interested in for a while and seems like this team is really just getting ready to everyone louise kathy on the reds is named popped up on the yankees have interest. Whatever and the you know the report would take ton. Now that's a guy you can slide in as the number two and you feel really good you know everything else. You'll cole could steal and everything else. After that falls in the place that would be a guy. Now it costs a ton. Maybe it would cost medina medina by the way down in dominican as twenty five strikeouts in eleven innings easel fucking electric factory. That guy gets up easily. Just re shoring up the ranks. That guy needs to be here quickly But yeah i would. I would love lewis kathy. I don't know what exactly would cost. You know it's not causing jason to stop throwing around. They're not trading jason for anything but we still be my opinion. You're the number louise. Pistachio superfan always had made that. No right like. I think a half way i would be down to him. He's the best changeups in baseball from the starting pitcher. It just falls off the table. And he's young. He's under control. I'm all about him but it would cost a ton. Think the red just don't wanna win They made the playoffs. Now again. we enough of this. Let's just blow it up. So i love to take their straps literally any pitcher right now. You even said it right there like oh we got coal casteel and then like whatever else we have nothing else right now. It's just coal and whatever else. The rotation is really scary. It's really really bad way. It really bad way. We years in our our. We're going to go through this. Thank you just got to add a couple arms. Like i thought after adding you're We got our horse now. It's like the it's like the opposite of how was like for so many years with danke had like the middle on the back end. They just didn't have that east now. They have the ace and they have nothing else. Thank god them. Imagine they just didn't get cold. Yeah like what we. We'll be doing here. We have a little bit more to talk about here. Knocking me longest show in the world but we are the doctor talk about. Those are good and one other thing. Quick before against that though. We'll talk to is about hooters. Hooters just physio they. They were all around with the the barstools could with where the place was in america the philly sports because we were there all throughout the playoffs You know that will be cooking back up. Probably when we get back on the swing of things once break is over but you know who has been there For barstool pretty much. All twenty and hooters calendar is now out for twenty twenty one. You can buy the counter local hooters. 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Its best to make sure that doesn't happen and these guys stay open The videos are legitimately like tom. You tweeted yesterday with the every single one of these videos. Were dave call. Somebody and saves the restaurant is the best thing you'll watch all day. Where like even dave like a person who we know leasing abortion not the most emotional person in the world but like you could see it even like he's like touched by it a little bit so parcel fund is fucking awesome to is like i hate talking on the phone but like i love doing these calls. I mean how cannot yet the us i mean there was really no nothing helping small businesses like the government. We what one stimulus package in march. Maybe another at some point but really nothing like you know. They're dying and for a company like barfoed. Use all our resources for this and hopefully be able to save as many of them as possible is. That's what it's all about a love that dave is like so into as well because when dave's into something it's going to go off like he's just calling outwit like a twenty five k boom done. Ripoll white red dana white hundred grand. Yeah and then we got that polka guys given twenty five grand. Now it's it's just a fucking ripple really cool to see. Yeah i would really like for the yankees to get more involved here They had this tweet about So many words. I don't see graphics. Whatever they put out they don't need to. I think it's gonna be ten. Businesses like get five k. each around the bronx whatever. Just nice. I just. You're the yankees. They know. it's so tough to like. Yeah you know. It's tough to do it with charity but if porno giving five hundred fucking thousand dollars. I've always thought it's hard to donation. Shame rate because a lot of times. Jeff bezos will do something and they'll be point zero zero zero one his net worth and shit right but like this is different where the could very clearly given like. Yeah sure they're giving fifty thousand more than a lot of people in other teams but you're gonna go through making a fucking eight tweet. Graphic seemed like and like be like. Oh where you know doing this reopen you gotta do more to you. Have their one one. And a half. Two billion dollar franchise like five five billion. Oh okay five. Billion for period. Like if you're going to like i. George steinbrenner has like a famous quote where he says if you do if you donate or do something nice for someone in more than two people know about it. You did it for the wrong reasons. So the yankees like tweeting about. It is very clear not hauling that. We're going to tweet about it. Just better be more than fifty k. Scarlett be like half a million or like. I'm like did they you out. That was such a move where it was like the yankees franchise who used to do things right all the time. This is like another step idiots. Yeah the ben. Heller had a tweet pitcher for the yankees. While i'm definitely not. It was coinciding. Dave 'cause he was reaching out to kevin kevin hayes. All those guys and heller said well. I'm definitely not rich but my favorite part of new york is all local restaurants and bars. So many do my small part and help. How can new york shows. Lots of love for the yankees. So it's time for us to love them back hash day. Barstool fun hashtag new york. And then he put the link for the barstool fund. Beautiful awesome ship. That heller from a clouds Really like that. He's a big stool. Everything he he's he's tweeted at the before. Yeah like about the strikeout challenge or something. I could see that with. Kevin hayes given twenty five k. And and the yankees are giving. Fifty is not look didn't win. They've won with fifty. What gave you did get fifty right. Wigan whitney whitney the yankees only gave ten times more than gats is like they give it that way and corrobos jerry and fucking jared. It's bad So i really hope they answer the bell. I'll buy part of a break to reach out to some people because we. I wanna get anybody who we've come. We've come cockpits with some nice peop- you know some fairly decent names. I think a lot of people love obviously love new york city and play for the yankees and all that they want to get back to these. Everyone loves the bars and restaurants in new york city. Don't want them going away. They've done so much for us over the years. So i definitely want to do my part and help out as much as i can so hopefully spread the word. You can't listen to this. You know some people you know this is the time to give yourself even like if you got twenty five bucks or whatever to give you know every little dollar calico i. It would be so cool. One day for one of us to come through ten k. Like obviously. I don't think any of us that might edition but if i had a layover break shirts for my whole family goes rallies they got awesome shirt. Do what you can. Obviously everybody's limits are different But you know anything you can afford to give Doing spread the word. Yeah it's sucks to see like gaz give five can use like i'm a poor. Fuck is i mean. He was a millionaire. No it's great. Yeah go on the bar. So the link for the fund is on the short porch instagram link. You just click that you go right so It's all over twitter twitter. Find the link. Google barstool fond dance. yeah And then if you go to the store we have certain shirts review by pretty all the net proceeds go right to the barstool fund Then you know and there's a fire merch out. There loved an office. things eliminate. it's all good So go check that out. And let's pressure the yankees to fucking get more involved here. Because i think they they should they really should and oh and lastly The documentary came out I thought it was really good. I'm some. I'm critical of these documentaries. Like remember sosa mcgwire one. That came out with espn. That was horrible. I didn't learn a single thing with this documentary. I learned a lot. Like i was always tense. The last half hour of that when they talk about their i wrote down a ton of notes But my biggest takeaway Was finding out the real story of when he stepped away from the yankees the end of the twentieth. Fifteen season right before the playoffs. Because i remember my gut reaction. And i was like fuck guy this is. How can you just leave this team or this is me. I've been. I'm in college so obviously an idiot but i'm just like you know they're play the astros. Whatever in the wild card. And i'm like how is he not here. What's going on like this is bullshit the real story and it's like the motherfucker was too drunk to throw a bullpen in baltimore. So then he came. He went to cashman. Said like i gotta take care of myself like okay do your thing. And then he took a ride back to the city from baltimore and before he got in the this is to go to rehab. He stopped the liquor store and grabbed two bottles of hennessy and finish them on the car. Ride home to new york. That's like this guy had a gigantic drinking problem. A titanic. tricky problem fucking credit for getting around it but that was. I didn't know idea it was that bad. Yeah though that was the most interesting. Yeah i kind of remember the same thing twenty over the news came out almost like whatever suck this year anyway. Right right every sucked anyway alabama. Could it be like you know like he's appropriate. Or how bad could it be because as they showed in the in the documentary like he pretty much had to drink problems throughout even you know oh nine through twenty one and twenty games a year. It was the same one of my takeaways. Was like good on him for detoxing the day before a game in the date like i wanna go three straight days been drinking than to be like all right all together now like glad. He was able to do that for four years. But yeah i mean you think about it and those three years were really bad from thirteen. Fourteen fifteen injuries but yeah it was probably mixed and getting older but also like he was a raging alcoholic. That was drinking three days a week. I'm sure it probably all caught up to him was really interesting. Look like behind the curtain with a lot of stuff. You didn't know you. And i when i saw that it was like i lewis said myself. Shit 'cause i remember tweeting the going absolutely nuts. Being like my good i mean. He just backed out because he sucked. That's the only reason why he's doing. He's not an alcoholic. There's no way the day before a playoff game is like. Oh i just found out on alcohol. You could have done it. A one-two right right now. That was actually what a convenient time like. No one just finds out the day before but then see like how crazy it actually was was not cool but it was like at least like it's cool to see someone actually open up about that and like talk about their problems. I actual reaction was. Couldn't you just fucking rehab in a month. That was that was my that was my idiotic ticket. That's what that's exactly. I was trying to figure it out was going back into my brain and it was like come on man fucking one month and then go to rehab and that's idiot me but it's good for doing it when you did because who knows what would have turned into and you tell me you mentioned it. So he his scheduled wrote it. Down was basically. He'd pitching a game. And the moment he gets the clubhouse they had a crown of with the sprite. Crowd is crown. Sprite win firm or something like that. He joked that and then he gets blackout that night he get black the next night black on the night after and then his detox we just shutting down all water basically and like gatorade for two days and then he and he just did that for like a full year two crazy fully. I think it was more than that. There's three years right three years. Yeah it was also. Thinking is a an all time. Butterfly effect thing is because he said so twenty fifteen. They clinched the playoffs. And then that night. He didn't drink at all while they were celebrating. And then when they were on the bus to baltimore baltimore someone handed him hennessy to drink official like think about if he never gets handed that bottle of hennessy. Like you're like. Wow that god crawley of handed but no we should up. Because if he doesn't start that been drinking that week. Any probably never comes to that moment of clarity. Where realizes like he has to get his life together. Yeah and that all spiraled out of the the the fight in the fight in toronto because he had to fight to the club in toronto. I honestly don't remember that too much. I remember it a little bit. And then he stopped drinking completely and then yeah the celebrations. You notice in the video of them celebrating. He's getting champagne poured on them. Who comes up them and says yeah feel so good. Did you notice. It was john ryan murphy. All i remember that. Yeah yeah people get going fucking john my in murphy member that which was jaromir feel like weren't there a bunch of yeah blackout. I wrote down like eat. Quick hitting notes. Do you go throw. Yeah sure one. Quick thing for me is There was a moment where they were playing radio. Callers bashing him and john jastremski people pass your this guy's up so i had his wife almost with an all time old takes exposed like in the very beginning which is like cece kept telling me he was having a heart attack and i was like no. You're not like he has like the pulmonary like a legitimate heart. Problems like that could have been bad. pl- footage of playoffs at the stadium. Made me miss inky stadium. I don't know what it was about like the his last game. Whatever camera fucking whatever thing. They were using the stadium. Look so cool Footage of him as a rookie. You just looks exactly like it. Pitching rotation didn't change at all. He has motion was the same. No matter what the way he steps off the mound and like tugs at a shirt like shrugged his shoulders brewers that was just a reminder of how awesome that was our member Remember not the mets on the playoffs. Wheat and i remember like as in the basement with my dad Watching that last game on my mom. Who's a mets fan. Is upstairs unlike hearing her. Cheer for cement stuff austere for like any positive Up and then the brewers won. And i rode my bike to my friend. James's house chanting mets off. They're out of the playoffs or whatever so thankfully so. We just found out that tommy's hates his mom. Yeah that's other a rivalry of how much you hate the mets as us. Hate your mom. Now i love my mom. I don't like the mets fan side of her and she certainly would rub that in a lot. I think in my childhood my mic. That was art of it like got that we were house. Divide so if the yankees had like a devastating loss. She wouldn't comfort. You know she she she. She was very. she'd be more supportive. Okay news each. It was not a two way street. She was supportive of us. Like google and yankee road trip and like shoot. Wear a metro outright root against the yankees. Like if we went on to see the mets. Like we're absolutely okay. Not to a street. I would have liked more about free agency like the all. They really said yeah. He didn't really want to be yankee at first. And then signs that biggest deal. I would have liked to hear more about that courting process. Yeah i wanna know why. He didn't want to be a yankee like why. Don't you want to come to new york. And then they go to cashman and how about that fucking punched in the face like yeah like day one. We were not letting anyone else signed him. Wish the fucking same same rationale. Currently brian overhead had it last year for cold. I'd like it every year. Cameron may been forgot he existed. Yuck him he was a fun guy last year. Completely awesome about a guy like lou fun and they lost cameron raven old-timer day. They showed that. I feel like i feel like the next old timers day. Probably won't be this year just because that's like a superspreader event and there's literally so many old people it's the whole fucking tireless. Old people could probably the worst idea ever to do. Alzheimer's they right now. And i hope it's like all out like cc's back jeter. I don't think he's ever come back for old timers day right. Marrano came back last year but that was his first. I want to. I want everybody back. I want everybody living up along. Clemens there yeah i want. Everybody like won't go back until now i was going to be such a cock something. I don't think he'll go to baseball. Is the owner of the marlins. Was that fucking matter. Doesn't matter at all he's not like managing the marlins where he can't get a day off always. Tj are you could. I mean you were. You were confident. But i mean rutgers is absolutely routing house yeah. This is fun to watch i. I'm the i'm the only one screaming about russia's no one respects them. I got some clips talking shit about rutgers in the past. I'm ready to break out if it's amazing file. I'm very particular about my ruckers phantom. If you don't support rutgers early get the foot line. Dm's with hubs from the borstal ruckers account from like four years ago where he talked about rutgers one time and i tweeted about it. I'm not a rutgers fan. I'm a circuit. I know i know i forget what i tweeted. From the mersal rutgers account i bet them against illinois that was dope they were they were so easing illinois these dams i mean baker. Still on this fucking team. Gio baker still. They're the tj. Like t. j has like the ruckers terrible basketball team just till recent a who is the guy that used to have. Yeah corey sanders. Where's that guy or is he alive. I believe he's in poland or guy was you just. Don't fuck record sanders. That guy was electric. You guys suck besides him. But september twenty eighteen. I said great gangs coverage big short. Porch guy says yeah. After i had tweeted something mean about you saying something about rutgers on twitter. Oh c. k. C. realized not actually mad just mad at rutgers so i guess they must have lost that day because it was september and then i said keep up the great yankees coverage big short porch guy the respond s i also suggested a void shirt and he said sorry. Only one voice shirt at a time at the moment. Yeah that was back when like we literally like. We couldn't make many shirts. I wanted to leave for thing to do. Track someone publicly and it'd be like all just jokes brother and look where we are now to get hired by hubs exact like as an internship right now. But we're here there were you. Oh tommy to add your list loud funny when getting his yoga iota make just driving. They didn't they didn't like address. What happened from the start. I was like what is happening. I was like what he's just driving is yona what's going on. Oh it's star wars. They make sense. But here's just make done in his house and driving his. Yoda fucking freaked out. If i was just like driving next on the road. I just see yoda giant iota. His son i don't his sons. Just gotta be good baseball right. I was wondering the same thing. I was wondering how good he is he. Look it looks like the angelo russell peck. He's got a little de ngelo russell to him. I don't know why. I just assume that he's good very athletic. What else do we have here. The whole thing is dad was crazy. you know hiv and then the cancer and then you know he is. Basically wife had the tell mike. Yeah like he In riga yeah like. He's he's rehab. he's not yeah so that was crazy. he finds out he made the all his first all star team the same time as he finds as data's weeks to live with just crushing. So yeah he he. Basically the whole documentary was like anything. Good that happens in his life usually followed by something horrible that kind of like narrative continued throughout like pretty much the whole documentary but oh and then the whole thing where he was supposed to take that an abused pill whatever twenty thirteen. It would make him sick when he drank a just fucking spitting it out just like prove more like the alcoholism shit it's deep and it's heavy it's not gonna make you laugh the but you learn a fucking lot and i think those are rare with documentaries these days and you appreciate c. Forty was and how good of a pitcher he was boat with anybody who's good and has fame and all that you know it's not all sunshine rainbows behind the fucking curtains. You know there's always some bad shit going on so i'm happy in. He's he's he's also show ripped out. It's crazy though. Like the video of walking at the ends as they're like closing up doc. He's like a ufc fighter. Now like a straight up fighter. I'm forgot how fat he was there. The highlight of him on the tampa bay. Rays shutout was like that summer day. Yeah look for hit shutout like he looked so fat even the best when he was fat i know he was. I wish they did my only wishes. They did have nothing to do with the alcoholism but they did five minutes on this. How much he hates the raise just randomly just in the middle of the documentary. Just start ripping on all because he hated him through his whole career. Especially obviously you know this twenty nine thousand nine thousand eighteen version or whatever but i wish they did something the race would have nothing to do with it but overall i really enjoyed it. Hbo max joe check it out And yeah i've got nothing else here. Obviously just hope they hope police. I'd dj love god. We've got some time off here which is nice and if dj does sign at any moment you will hear from us in the same fashion. You heard us like with coal. You know that we're not gonna wait. Whatever we'll do. Emergency pod came to. I think it's ten or What year is it. Twelve year anniversary of the yankee signing mark to share pretty dang december twenty third when it got announced. I was in the basement with my friends after school last day before break and just go nuts being holding like the guy that same ben friend over and i was like holding like a mistletoe over like my ass or deck and be like. Oh that was good. Wow what would you hold it over your s. What we wanted to kiss your like actually like kiss you dick. I probably what the fuck just happened. Like just my ass kiss my ass okay. Friends yeah i as- whatever you want teacher just my ass. I got no problem with you. Do your thing man. you a f- guy. Oh yeah well so even door. That's that was probably. Because obviously i wasn't really a college basketball fan with mellow like i don't think i was into it. Then but david door. Those teams were like they hooked me big time. And he's the eric even dorf can raise almost fifty k. fucking syracuse. Small businesses shot to handle awesome even doing. And he's been you know I think parcel accused teamed up with him and stuff they have shirts out whatever good stumps there on a podcast sunday. No he really fuck. Yeah i actually was going to suggest. That maybe i did suggest to you. I don't know but That's that's dope. He's one of the best college basketball games ever. Oh yeah was it was eight over. Six overtimes overtimes six over time. And then there's the there's the image of him Standing he jumps up on the On the table whatever. Yeah he's he's iconic in q. Sister us that's dope. That's out monday monday dope. So if you're a college basketball fan obviously syracuse fan wherever you listen this. Go checkout bench mob on monday because that's gonna be s. Be awesome looking forward to that that by the catch train home. You guys go home for christmas. All i am home. I'm going home to your home. Yeah last time in this house. We haven't sold yet. No it's like it's sold as waiting for the day. Gotcha gotcha yeah some. 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Episode 225: Offseason Hysteria

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Episode 225: Offseason Hysteria

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Hey happy always good hanging over watching the function monkey putting in a phone. What's the monkey call. george george. The monkey is open skiffs fuck and opens it. So good i you know. I can't open packages exhausting. I thought it was alone. I don't know what to do. I need scissors or i can't do it. You can't hack tape when you have tape on top of it. It's just an easy open. I've lost and you see fucking george. The monkey just oprah. I can watch monkeys act like humans just all day and when he puts jeans on. It's even funny means he's got rights. I can't wait for that. Yes and then you were so supposed to get snowden you were suede boots to the office thinking. That was the right move. It actually is the worst move and it's not snowing. Might snows now. You i know. I have a new pair of shoes. My nike cortez. Getting a lot of confidence. I was like. I don't want to ruin those today in the snow. That's a pair of boots final game between last year. I think they weren't assize or something. And he gave them to me. Nice pair boots. Wear these in case. It snows and i got here and think why the hell would you wear sweet boots and the snow is the worst possible material so i debated wearing so. It's not gonna know till later. So it's like i don't want to walk around and teams if it's if i'm not gonna counter much snow assumed i guess i thought. This snowstorm was happening overnight until i left. I left my door. I didn't even open my windows like must be a blizzard out there. Fourteen inches small. No i thought it lined up now. I don't care that much about the snow. I the only thing. I feel bad guy not anymore. A millionaire i care about it. I feel bad for my dad at home. Must like shovel liberty in the city. No i've no shoveling. I walked to work anyway. So it's not like it's going to stop me from getting to work. It's not going to be trained delay or anything so doesn't really affect me snow to me. Something snows- on the appreciate so much as a kid and as you get older and older. I don't know man i snow just doesn't do it for just a hassle to new since it's impossible to drive in like i don't know maybe that's just because i'm getting older whatever but i feel like as a kid it's the best fucking thing in the world and snow days reminiscence notice were unbelievable and nowadays. It's like i don't want to sony getting that call seven. Am oh my god bless also waiting for the call and not getting it and just be like we really have to fucking go to turn your pajamas inside out. It would do that now. I know what you're talking like outside to. Yes what good luck. hope it snows. Yeah but normal jobs where it's not here and you still pray for snow because you could just be like i can't get in and they work from home here it's like fucking yet but with the pandemic it's kind of like your home anyway. So it's it's off knows actually doing much. But but yeah that's the worst when you're fucking at home. Have to shovel out your driveway or start to call and brush all the snow off and shit. It's fucked and it's highlights. Ict scraper out whatever. There was a really bad snowstorm in my friends. Or maybe eighth or ninth grade and we went around the neighborhood and got paid. You know like struggled people's driveways to get paid for the thought of drink. A lot of money. The thought of doing that now is like crazy. I hate manual labor right now. The fact that i ever thought about doing that is not. Yeah no chance whatsoever. We have a ton of yankees tampa to to start off course still. The ongoing digital may who saga a lot of info has been pouring in. We'll start with bad and gets the good. I think the most recent that we've got today bless you is is the good and it's optimistic ship but The first thing was the atlantic report. Further backing brennan cut his initial report that the gap between lemay and the yankees is more than twenty five million dollars. They said he's still the number one priority but the free agent infielder also plans to start engaging other teams the fact that we're finally getting the dj's like okay like this isn't based on that report. This isn't working now. I'm talking to other teams. That's where i like it all sleep in. I'm like this is very real that he's he can't be here next. He won't be here next year and like large and in two thousand five million is a lot of money that's basically that's basically a year plus like it's year and more money on top of it so it's it's i don't i don't like it at all. I just i'm now at the point where it's like. Dj won't be hanky. And i it's more. I'm just preparing myself for that. And then if he's on it will be a pleasant surprise and a half to share some news told you guys before the show i dream and we know. I have nightmares about the yankees. Basically garre cole. Homerun opening day my dream. I don't know why. But i was in grand central terminal and news broke that. Dj may who signed a three year. Ninety million dollar. Deal with the mets. And i want to kill myself and i think steve cohen was there like rubbing it in my face and it was. I woke up like it was the most relief or you wake up in the morning. Thank god that was a dream. I that would happen. Obviously a three years ninety wouldn't be the price tag to get him out of new york. I think offer new york but no to me. What scared me very religious. Like i could see that the yankees being like you know. We'll do four eighty or maybe we'll do four hundred and the mets being like walling do three. But we'll give you ninety. I don't think that would be. I think he'd take. New york's offer in that in my mind. The mets aren't even in your two fucking queens or do we ever knew news team. I'm sure the fucking the bronx charlie. More specific I if the mets get him. I think it would be like a fucking four year. Hundred and twenty one hundred thirty million dollar deal something he they would have to exceed by a lot. I mean if if the rumors are true you have to figure twenty five million dollars off. That would be one hundred and seventy five right. If you just guessing the the met. The yankees are offering seventy five tuesday. One hundred yeah something like that. Yeah so three. Ninety four seventy five dollars three and i think he wants the years to like a guy like him thirty year with more money than you're able to make that guy's really like rare weirdly like years more than like the money per that steve clones. Doing the right things to get into a little bit of us guys dick. Every week he signed a fucking maura reliever mckay she. Okay real quick bayne brooklyn volume at whatever but okay all since cowan became the mets owner right. You heard of hoping every single is a free. Open up the checkbook here. He's already met everyone's assuming they're metzer and now at jt removed. It was like all the the mets need a catcher. Here's our guy. Well i mean they passed on. Jt your motel and they signed fucking mcken for forty million dollars. That's the best signing ever. I mean so. Now we're just gonna own now is overrated. And we didn't want him right bullshit. When cone became the owner. Everyone was like oh already already planning out. How he's going to work with degrom and syndergaard all these guys and now the moment that cone passes on them have ruins like oh. We didn't need them. We didn't want that guy. That's just bullshit. Complete fucking bullshit i actually mccain is a decent signing. But that's not the steve cohen. So that's world yeah. Kfc climb these people weren't like. Oh my god damn it penciled and real muto did yeah but i'm just saying it sucks that he's actually doing. I don't like how active is on twitter. Go over on your business will do something largest sec. History people don't talk about that should be in jail. The goodness digit such a fun. Go to horny jail bonk maris notifications the good news. Dj to ease your your senses quotes. That have been out today from yesterday from boone and cashman cashman today. We're working on it. I promise you that he is. This year's he is this winter's priority. I don't think you say that you're these. I'm gonna finish the courts to. It's no secret that he's our number one priority. Bring back said boone yesterday And then they came out. Cash said today that he wants digital play second. He's not trying to avoid the idea of moving lemay. Who i hope and boone also hopefully at the end of all this. Dj's yankee for a long time. I don't think they say those things. Like i think michael k also said this yesterday like they wouldn't say this and look and just not a plan. Look if they're like. This is our number one we need him. We need him. He signed with someone especially if listen twenty five million or what. Maybe a little larger sounds like a lot but the day. It's it's not crazy. It's one hundred million dollars. Yeah so it's like if if you're saying okay it's about a twenty if it's their offering four for seventy five and they need to get to five for one hundred. I think they eventually will meet in the middle. This maybe immediate thing as everyone wants it to be. But i think it gets done based off these quotes because brian cashman's little. And he's candid as he doesn't why he's boon boon. Says something whatever among. I can ignore that but brian cashman pretty much is most candid. Gm out there. If he tells you. I promise you guys are winter priority. That makes me thinking it's going to be here. It's a bad look for us. It's like that's a number one priority and we don't cook the yankees would say. Yeah like would you last year garrett cole a i think it was like december sixth or seventh whatever. They came with report that hal has given the authority to do whatever it takes pretty much to go get cold. You don't really have the report leak out unless you're getting cold and guess what happened. They got caught. Also it's it wouldn't have even been as bad of look though last year. Because he wasn't yankee to begin with right. This is losing guy. Those quotes that i have given me all also this one. Now take however you want with this but cashman also said i feel confident we will again have the highest payroll in major league baseball. Anyone who's saying that like the yankees cut back and there's also reports but i don't think cashman's going to say that i also don't like it in the sense of it almost seemed like he sang that in preparation for if they don't sign dj that they'll still have the highest. It's almost like him saying all right. We didn't get dj. But look we still advised payroll in all of baseball still going allow that sort of those quotes along with that one though that quotes alone in itself like that he just says that quote nothing else but dj but those quotes paired with that altogether. Give me a little bit more relief. Granted this doesn't mean you know. Because i'm positive right doesn't mean it's a shoe in the he's me back but i think the quota cashman said today should relax a little bit from the reports of a couple days ago where the sky was falling. All this also. Did you think i was crazy now. Certain exaggeration a little bit. But i mean my tweet about dj when that initial report came out. I generally think he's one of the best hitter that's ever come through the organization granted. He's only here two years. Whatever but i think his two years. Like oh you forget about you know. Murderer's row with babe ruth. All them i think of. Dj played the one thousand nine hundred eighty s. He had five hundred. I don't think anyone's like a guy who basically did play. Yeah they didn't have guys during one hundred dollars an hour in the nineteen twenties surely through fucking spitballs and all that deal lemay. Who would have adjusted. I think you would have had an easy time. The nineteen twenties nine hundred air. You he's going to be an extremely good hitter. And i mean obviously a roger. He was great but you know there was the steroids with him. But like as a pure hitter. I think one of the best is the yankees have ever had in history or organization. Now shirt you wanna say. That's an exaggeration. I can't back up. Okay but i don i stand by it. I don't think it's that crazy. Yeah i i agree i think like using the term pure hitters is like you know we're not one of the best power hitter earth but like guys that get get hits. He hit what three thirty navy combined over the past two years the last two years. Yeah three sixty lasts. He'd just as far as i mean. Obviously we've only seen a fraction of yankee's history being live but from what we've seen like i almost can't remember a guy that just hit i mean jeeter and his prime but a guy that just hit the ball like i at least in my lifetime for sure but yeah. I can't speak to sing mammy. There was shot for like two years in the nineteen fifties that people refer back to the fucking twenties in the third. It's like do. I don't fucking know. They're mad sorry to film whatever. But i don't know i think those people were people were blown up as an exaggeration. All that i don't think so man i think that's a guy you just can't let them go and it's not like i've talked. I've harped on this and these thirty to a five year deal doesn't kill you. It sounds like he's a pure power hitter. We just strikeout pitcher thirty three and his you know his veal is going to diminish pow. No like digits can be able to hit. That's going away. He's a singles hitter. Kits mola right side. It's not going to change his vision checking to go blind. Yeah well that would be really bad but that would go blind then. Somebody actually go blind but to jane. I was thinking jameis. Winston where role. He's new the fact. He waited seven years for laser winston stevie first season interceptions. Stephen wasn't blinds guardian. He's not actually. There's like literally videos of him. Flinching reacting the people know. Yeah and he's also like new when she came into the elevator. Something to as a story like. Yeah yeah. he looked up at emerson. What's up big. What like more yankees. Whenever he dies stevie wonder he should be honest. Deathbed gotcha also we know. You just describes the entire room last words. Got more yankee stuff. Talk for that. Talked about hellofresh. Hellofresh offer convenient. No contact delivered to your doorstep for easy home cooking with the family. 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Five hundred audio but tanaka seems like that ship has sailed and they're gonna look for something else which is certainly troublesome when you look at the rotation that's lined up for next year and there's a lack of veterans pretty much outside of coal savvy told july or august and it's going to be on a pitch count all that but not having tanaka is going to be scary and it seems like that reality is becoming more and more real friday. We go here. I'm really curious what tanakh is going to do. Like i feel. There's been no smokes around anything that i could see the mets doing that with syndergaard out. Agassi them come and go get into vet to add in the rotation wouldn't shock could see to raise for some reason. I'm picturing them and also could just go back to japan. That's the best case scenario if the yankees because if they don't bring him back he goes to japan rather than be back for more money to spend to their she's probably got a similar contract. What what we are thinking you three years thirty million forty five million whatever feel like japan and pay that forum especially he's like an icon out there did you one year five million. I think something really stink. They said one year ten. Listen maybe just start low. The start love accepts. You bring them back me face. If i was to knock stressed out here with digits tried to crunch numbers but Fucking assignment sign a middle. Find somebody. I want but like the war in florida back line. Does that guy will be a yankee until end. We haven't had a show since its has returned. my gonna necessarily court is back in the world. He ricky reported. It's actually hasn't been reported by anyone but him imagine it was just not true like he's just trying to force sense. Yeah he just puts it out there. That's why everyone is playing. Well i guess. Somebody fucking signed nolan report. I'm going to show up guys. Like i think it was on his instagram. In his on his birthday he posted a getty image. Didn't even get like a real. Ms he posted it with the getty on there and said surely cited to toby yankee again. I'm truly lucky to have this opportunity. That sound the work. Time the to get back to work and receive this news on his birthday whatever. Yeah the fact. If that's just untrue. Be unbelievable he's trying to push his way into the organization again but nasty nestor back. Crafty nestor throwing a. Ab nam are fastball. Eighteen different ways kind of like more interest. Most interesting pitcher. Have ever seen like get outs. But he's kind like perfect guy to bring in spots where kind of try to eat innings and probably last year is like holding a five run lead in not wanting to use their main guys using their shittier guys and then giving up elite. So he's kind of the guy that you can actually use. Tommy i feel like you have to address spelling his name wrong. Oh yeah it was It's a thing between us dry spell like that. I don't think it is guys to get it. You don't have that type stateside joke joke to got it back as well so they really bolstering that that bullpen like we hoped some more updates. This is an interesting boone media session. He said this is in fact. The first full off season with the team's new strength and conditioning coach cressey so basically like there's a plan for each player now rather than him overseeing everything from afar. He's actually do things. He will stay healthy this time because this is like i feel like we. We keep like ripping the strength and conditioning coach every year. So this seems like okay. We can actually do it now. It seems like he's at fault if everyone dies so yeah i mean. I expected this to work last year. At didn't so i'm i will basically go into every year assuming all the yankees will be hurt one hundred percent but it would be nice if it. What did this statistical odds that a third straight season they could just have be the most injured team ever. It can't be good. They can't be hot where you think it's more likely or less likely. It's more likely that they will not be so injured every every year. You think that. And that's how the fuck is there you know it's like it's like it's like there's been six black spins and roulette and it's like it's gotta be right. Yeah that's true. i mean. I know this is charlie. Okay just judge a full season full. Ceasar me one hundred fifty. Gimme one hundred forty games. A judge one hundred twenty giancarlo. What was it last year when we were like. This is like this. Is it like the if they can't fuck and play this season. We're kind of like data's pieces of glass but that was before the mlb release style video on instagram. With ten longest home runs last year and judges against the red sox when veg scourging basically orgasms one of them and now as a missed his run of like he had a home on every day. And it's almost forget even happened because of the injuries that followed after like he didn't. Mvp candidate was was the mvp. He was the mvp for three weeks. Whatever and it was like the most dominant three-week stretch he's ever had and you just forget about because injury so please get better and please air cressey pleased implement the right plan here More stuff we talked about jira trello having that surgery there was a little later but They're not worried they say won't affect his status or spring training which is good and there's also no concern gleyber tours conditioning. I think cashman also said last week that he he was like dating. Labor wasn't at the at his way or conditioning that they had hoped when they restarted in june or july was july july. So that's great to hear. But they said they got the glare. They wanted to later on the air. And that's when everything started to cook again. So hopefully that's the case maryland's freaking out about labor playing short and i think they're just kind of rolling with him short. I think it's just me. He's at short teaches at second. Be at first and that's gonna be g. o. Beathard beer infield going to ask you get francisco indoor not moving labor short for anyone else. I'm not signing any. I feel like andrew. Jackson offseason dominated. I've never really gets thrown out every off season. Just saying not him. He can't defense actually getting worse. I'm kind of allan. simmons you throw in a brandon crawford like that is easy to forty. He's one world series though dirty shortstop. He's so sick and his hair. So cool yeah. And he's related as related. He's a dare kohl's wife's brother. Her name is amy. Cole crawford again. Another nothing i hope land going. That's common knowledge. It's your knowledge that brandon crawford is amy. Coles brothers on a hundred percent is not common knowledge. If you're a baseball fan you should know if you're based in minnesota twins fan should know that. Let's let's can we pull in baseball players. Somebody office right now. Very big yankee vince. We tried to do this. You said trae turner's main quality wasn't speed. It is not. It's not as what is its main one for. Can you go pull in three random baseball fans. Yeah i would love average. i mean. He's doing radio now anyway bringing no. I don't think the only baseball fans here. I don't think we had just use your judgment. Go see out there over there. That's not like no random ass like cincinnati. Reds fan is like oh brandon crawford. The brother in law gerrit cole. Of course. I think it's. I think crawford was winning those weeks. It sounded familiar. I was getting confused with joe. Panic knows ryan ruko. Somehow i thought you were going that route. I think they went to west. One knows that so much more obscure that. I knew that is no baseball. Fan knows that that's very obscure. But i think it's pretty fairly i. I could see me offers. Winning those worlds giants like that was that was like no six years ago. That was no game so people have to forget. Why was that being talked about. Then the in twenty fourteen garrett cole wasn't even like amazing back then so i think the giants would play the pirates and there was a game where they were playing then she was running for both sides. I don't think your average baseball fan all right. Well let's stupid. I know more than the average baseball fan. Yes line that's definitely. Don't i think it's pretty. I think it's i think it's known at this point who'd you bring in using. It's going to be frank. The tank i bet all right. So thank you for third third third jake marsh champ right now are free so let me phrase it. Let me got. I don't know. I don't trust you so we have. We have big here. We list the player b. c. and see what people know about him that's insane. See if it's if it's a well known as you said it should be one of the first things that top and moore's is a yankee fan. No confidence aren't with big. I mean you can't just ask them all individually. They're all here to go. I want him to answer. I and he can. I love okay. Brandon suffered shorts up on the giants. Right what do you. What do you know about him. What are some. What are some fun facts about brandon crawford. Let's start with what the fact is what so. It's either his sister or garrett kohl's brandon crawford sisters garrett cole did you guys. Did you know that brandon crawford's sister is married to garrett cole clue. Thank you dr ink. Thanks to a first person. If you don't know that you don't know base most like brought up thing like any time in baseball. No fewer than fifteen dollars. Jake literally the sports encyclopedia. That was disappointing. We gotta get back for that one. Different birds about twenty years ago You know jason. Taylor is married to act. Tom's sister inch does sound familiar. Yeah you didn't know about brandon crawford urkel. Thank you all upset. It's common knowledge for your average baseball leaving. An average cincinnati reds fan should not be sports media blogger. He doesn't count. Oh let's just jake. March was also like march. The yankee fan fact franken excited excited about Mccann what was to be planning to get a signing soon. Hopefully we'll be george springer. Oh all right all right all right all right you get this goddamn thanks guys so that was a win for us. That was definitely a win. It was unfortunate. Big t went. I should have happened is spoken would have been and they should all to three and i'd argue in an argument. Three hundred three really. See the two biggest people who would know who should know in common knowledge. Last jake is no no had no idea with three or four and look very excited for people listening to be like. Yeah obviously we knew that. Jake marches a diehard yankee fan. He worked for the yankees and frank sports ranked was. I was like no. I'm not sure he's a numbers guy. He only cares about the numbers. Remain globs of story and jake moses our biggest journalists here. I won't talk to the raising. i can't. 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You're the first year where he started bad than he came on late. The obviously last year kind of a mess that had just terrible seasons that like people are like you know christian. y'all twist horrific in two thousand christian yelich. No but i'm like. I mean like you can like it's understandable. That could be off like high like an abbreviated. Spring training in june is going to be awful timing like off whatever for a two month stretch. It's like not the craziest thing in the world. So yeah definitely bring back former year. Aaron hicks still isn't one hundred percent. His arm is in one hundred percent. Don't generally don't know how this plays. When did he. He had his tommy john surgery a year ago. No yes most infuriating things like. Why did you play. He's always is like. Oh no no no. He's just like i mean granted. He's for pitcher like he wouldn't even be back right now like it was different foolish. I guess you're always going feel hundred percent. But i just never liked hicks is always something going on ailments. It's come on and michael kay suggested. I said it's not going to happen. And he's literally spit balling but he thinks that arose. Chapman should move to the rotation now. Chapman did start out as i know like what he i. I think it's a little end. He can't fucking get three guys out the arrest of them out. That's a stupid. I actually later spots uncle the last three years. We've lost because i it would be cool to see how it would work. But i don't think it would work. Yeah i know i agree. It'd be cool to see like. Oh wow maybe just chapman to do. But it doesn't work like that yeah. The city was in cuba because he added the sir twenty. Twenty so he's got the fastball. Keeps diminishing a little bit. I guess maybe that's a school. Thought to is like his fastball. That plays really abe. I'm gonna get to you so athletic like you'd be able to work as backup absolutely that guy. He probably just can do it. Normally program just probably go now. It's because he does tired after twenty pitches but yeah i mean it would be a hell of a. I don't see it but the yankees need poll panel. Both it is on the run down monday. I think pecan. Kfc were as much as i hate to agree with them. There are things do nows again. Probably gonna end brought to add some middle in the back of the rotation guys. They're like well that's most of the rotation and also how many years in our l. Or thanks after just like every off season even though they got gary coleman is here they got there as it is every year the to address the rotation. Yeah i mean. So as i say before. We're going in now. With assuming tanaka has gone it's their bingo hormones gonna be in the rotation and if you got so what. He's doing them dominican but he's got like a seven yara. It's not going well the granted. They did say that they can encashment. Had a meeting with him where he map lake boon cashman apparently very personal heart-to-heart of sorts important conversation and they call it. Good healthy important So i guess that's nice That is certainly need to see him. Grow as a person based off all shitty shit that went on with him and all that you know first and foremost before you even think about the pitcher and they say he's pitching himself back in the conversation retain option. He's like a seventy year eight dominican. Those guys are avenue one. What because we have no one. We'd really don't have so you're looking at you're looking at coal. Domingo debbie debbie montgomery. We don't even have to know that was some. I saw that quote where cashman apparently throughout the idea of is there to starter. I like montgomery like i know. We ended up starting. But he wasn't even he was gonna after he was a miracle they got four innings out of them like we were. We were celebrating four montgomery last four or five. Yes it's like. Oh we can throw them out there and we'll get good stuff. I my forgetting. Who'd be the whereas. That's we're talking. July august and or whatever reason nonni wants to throw his name in conversation i know he's like he was like an affirmation through them to the wool right. Just pitch one bad relieving spot which is not a reliever wants to give up. It's it is troublesome they they really need to add at least one starter like a veteran starter. They need i'd say but but at the fair like yeah. I mean. there's no way the fact that we're sitting there saying we don't know if we're missing someone out who's the guy the number eighty nine or whatever. Miguel ruge he was like he could even be a star. That's a problem. I do like hair. He's got cool hair but yeah no. That's a problem. Maybe debbie with blue hair. He's maybe number two wwl allowed. I don't i don't do not know about the are. They can't yeah and facial hair like he's care about appearance and stuff one it slightly long normal hair look more quote professional than just blue hair. It's true if georgia were still alive. You were allowed to blue hair it just you might even give you the chance to call you know thanks. I don't want this guy. My team tyler wade. Having self interesting off season dating pia mia. She is a pop star. Now that's pretty much everyone's reaction but then you hear this song though she does look. I'm gonna play this song. I'm gonna play this song for you right now. you definitely. She's definitely hot. Don't bobby head to me. I don't think i know. Wait for man. I don't know this. Hold on tyler. Trump is it. Is this the words like night here. You've heard that song. Yes yes three hundred million streams in spot fairly. I have never heard anything else but yes out out on. He's not he's hot gray except he's a baseball player. She's a singer. But like i get good for tyler wade. She must be into just really fast. Hand guys who loved the leg out singles and maybe occasionally get get a double here and there and score from i. This is such bullshit what he gets to date her. He's good looking cat and he's pretty good. Combo does she. Does she know looking at box. He's on the yankees looking at baseball reference. Which is on a date with him in the parking lot. she's like. This guy is hot on the yankees and she was like damn his his his wars. I would take a look just for a long jimmy your contracts and all that often acts like fucking pm mia's ariana grande like she's probably a tyler Quivalent she's quite good looking. Oh i'm not looking. She's they're both popstars. Is the tyler weight of baseball. I think yeah. I think you just shot that asks. There's no way she's probably higher greasy tyler weights. We're talking like war and all that like bomb barrel. Baseball fence will tolerate but like she's worth a hundred million two hundred million streams and spotify schmuck hundred millions of child popstars. Get out of here okay. She's higher up but my point is that it's not like the selena gomez pm mia isn't like she actually pia mia to you would think that's like a stage name. It's ernie pm meal. Yeah good for them pop up targeted ads. You've been targeted by tool all the time to like i'll be on random websites like on an app barsebaeck. Holy shit how we it's like. Oh yeah that's just like targeted lawyer says that you are completely wrong. I don't think it's i think it's just because you don't know her. That's probably a part of it. What do you things more known. Pm me or brand crawford in raleigh very close to moving along. Yeah i i mean i don't think ought and they'll they're famous and a lot of confidence and he starts playing baseball phil wait. Whoa wow it saying three and a half that's just go from one hundred. To three hundred there is no way pm. Me is worth a honest. I'm going to be honest when you said p. one hundred mil. I just went along with. It acted i even look three and a half though to it says pm. Ian net worth one hundred million click on the website. That could be like if you type in pm. Your net worth three point five comes up. I didn't immediately sniff that out. A lotta shit is crazy. But how could you pay me a network. If you go to that website you were talking to two million per year. One hundred thousand. That's okay that's all. She didn't make one hundred thousand a year. I don't think it's possible. Yeah but it would literally one hundred dollars all right now. I think i'm right. Yeah millions right full circle on them. We now that. I actually don't pop song i've never heard of the top thing that comes up is what happened pm and kylie jenner. Jenner's to here that's big. That is big. Why apparently something happened. So i don't know oh boy. What are we still on pm ear. So move on her pm me a parental people. Those are part of her name. No i know but when you say you know premium that's a real name is that was. I thought i thought for sure that was like stage. Him pe- peres. She's on a list of everyone who's been exiled from the kardashian jenner. So she's she's yeah. Okay let's stop for sure. Porch might be a fucking. He's got this real quick switching gears here a little bit real quick Fill ins passed away since the last show very sad very. He's very famous though. I'm very curious if i told you this story before. Mardi have you ever heard of the famous harmonica incident with phil. Linz yogi berra. No kinda funny So let me start from the top. Okay so phil linz love the play. The harmonica yogi berra was the manager. He was playing on the bus Barra was infuriated. He from the front of us coach always sits in the front and whatever so filling in the backhoe and berries like knock that off. I'm going to come back there and kick your ass. Lynn couldn't hear him so he s mickey mantle what he stayed mantle said he said the play it loud berra walked to the back of the bus that confront winds and by different lens through monica at barra yogi knocked it out of his hands and a whole like altercation started fast forward This altercation convinced the yankees front office. That bear lost control. The team could not command respect from his players. And as a result they fired barrett the so much can mickey mantle. That's all time butterfly effect. Yeah just fucking with everybody mckee. Mel's that's the best picture the the representation of mantle in that movie being this guy. We play louder. Picture mantle sitting back during the commotion just like drinking his whiskey. I mean you guys didn't play sports but you know this silence. Both i played sports up until i didn't hit puberty and everyone else did. I played sports. Did you ever like go to tell like the new kids like hey coach wanted to go talk to you. Coach wants talk to you and they go all the time i mean. That's why quarterback funniest things that do get coach wants to talk to you shortly about what i don't know what the kitchen whatever i think we do that sometimes here like at the office. Oh yeah we should should start doing you talk to me. I will talk about after. I mean jack literally do that too. Oh new owen new. Yeah ochoa news going on. I guarantee if we told. Tj been like yo tj. t sniff out i think. Did you ever have a funny Bus bus moment bus ride moment like something like that altercation. But like one pops righted like nick. Swisher closest thing outta here. i'll honestly just. We always drp brought four locos on the bus okay. Nothing like evolving like the manager ever freshman year. We were horrific. I think we lost six games in a row and our coach gets on the bus after a devastating loss. Like i think we just blew like four in lasting and goes. I'll let me get a head count here and the background in the back of the bus. This my buddy. Aj just go. Which had and then the literally just silence and our because like for five minutes silence of him staring who said that and he just no one ever fessed up to it. Basically get off the bus and to start rock. The best was just the best thing with ours. Is the last one you lose your out of the playoffs and at the end of the year the seniors get up on on the mike and just tell the coach all the bad shit. They've done throughout like it's like you can't fuck with overseas is over so like i went out the night before i came to this. We drank before game once. I murdered her nephew. Obviously one one point one kid. A senior told a sophomore that he fucked assistant. Oh my it was awesome. Better would have been funnier sophomore desist. Yeah yeah that definitely would have been. Okay let's get into a few more things as we wrap up here before when you act manscaping. Listen up fellas. 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It definitely stops the lazy narrative. But if he wasn't doing this it'd be a concert. Yes sure but like it's a good thing and the conferences is and maybe you know maybe he's actually liking baseball game so everything's so far so good. I was concerned that he was gonna go down there. And be bad like yeah. That's kind of the risk or it's almost like but good. Yeah as long as he's just good down there is. It will be good for his confidence. Going to no doubt. I don't know i'm just looking at this right now when you see like Like pritchard went to the celtics when you draft someone richer. Yeah he on. He's on a sphere. She was at oregon for tenure called. That's what i'm saying when you see someone go from a green team to team. Don't you think that it's going to be good from college to be green color. Yeah i don't know why. I feel like if you go stay with your color. You're going to be good. Yeah next i could see that. Pain typically play well as it is decorated. Probably those he are from last night. Triple slash question. Have you guys fell yet. This year fell. I know you say you won't sink fall. I actually don't remember if it was this year. I think it was. I was on. Hey hanks little skateboard on the office was in. Like i was on it for thirty seconds and i fell on. I don't think i've had one. We haven't done anything like. I usually play basketball. I haven't played bass knows tomorrow. You're fucked fuck tickets to spill. I might leave talk with being here. Fuck if the listening beyond look for that. I don't. I don't know what we're gonna look like when that's seven giants dead. No dad but not call mccoy's probably always better than the dow jones jones that fumble. I love you guys. So i this conversation a lot with my roommate. You guys are moving down jones after this year right now no i i wish they would but i don't i don't think he's proven this. He's he's not no. I think they know crazy that he started twelve games. this year. seven is a touchdown. How do you do that. In the fucking. Nfl twenty twenty. I get like throwing my god. Shut knows layers. Make place like good. Quarterbacks go out there and they make plays look around the league. All the other young quarterbacks is they have fucking receivers darius slayton sterling shepherd and golden tate. None of them are even error. Yeah still ball game breakers. But it's not an awful court in like back that's like doing so great with our receivers Tom brady every year of his career. I mean not that he needs to be tom. Brady fucking meant in the past. No in the past gronk cattleman slips. Look i just think he he does not have. He can't win games on his own. I'm just saying. I just think there's so. Many young exciting look at justin herber. Josh was keenan allen who has stefan but still. It's not even just like you could just see they make please daniel. Jones just doesn't get defensive. The great guy like martinez starbuck colt mccoy. Anyway this week. Who has played this week. Russell wilson this year earlier in his career. He didn't have great receivers. Tend to love the giants. I don't like the broad. The browns loss our town a half point favorites four and a half. Someone told me was ten and a half four and a half to four and a half so if someone just so my group's call him out later Blue light in the group russell wilson early in his career i mean he doug baldwin baldwin. That's a similar to tell like Sterling shepherd no dog bone stores. Wholesome made him better. I'm sorry that was the jets line browns the following week. Different york you pool. Four people after my survivable. Last week i had seattle this week. Going to go rams home against the jets the jetson justice so could go browns us. Rq go jets the rest of the year now. Because i think the patriots. Or i don't i can use the browns week. Sixteen the jets week. Seventeen let me say. I think i. I probably haven't used the patriots. But i don't want to because there's rumors not really could just just so. Yeah week seventeen will be tough. I mean honest. Obviously nothing's a guarantee Packers rodgers the. Mvp very excited. They're really good. Good offense offense his own avenues. New england it sacked anymore. It's like he literally just has time and just destroys. People who did defense is going to be a problem but every game is going to be in. Green bay looks the playoffs. So but of course no fucking fans ridiculous. And that's really all i got. I had random thought the other day. Dishwashers what goes on. What's you hit. Walk them. I don't know i. Two days ago. I watched the video on the workings of the only one here. That's actually just. Don't use them. Because i don. I don't trust that they work. You don't you hand wash. that's insane you have this washer. that's crazy. That's that's wild. I don't use that dish. Go home tonight and text me and watch. It's awesome because like so we were like we had a ton of dishes over the weekend. Thrown like wine glasses on their sides. Whatever and i put it. And i'm like this is all gonna break like none of this is secure comes out and it's all good. I imagine when you hit on a dishwasher laundry machine going create like cushions pop up on the sides and everyone just gets thrown around. But like i don't. I don't understand how things get cleaned. I guess i'm to find out what you don't want to ruin. Okay discuss next week. We'll do a lot and that's about it. There's a nightingale report of the seasons can be pushed back to may. Maybe how vaccines. I know but it is fucking shit. Fuck and plans idiots. I just know they don't delay. Everyone just says push back. Because i don't know what the fuck they're doing. Correct you got. That's major league baseball nutshell I've got nothing else. He goes anything. Good all right. We'll see you back here next week on the show. Porks daycare later. 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Holiday Gifting with Social Editor Chloe Malle

Vogue Podcast

12:49 min | 6 years ago

Holiday Gifting with Social Editor Chloe Malle

"Welcome to the vote podcast. I am you'll host Andre Leon. We all holiday spirit over here. Vogue this week excited for holiday travel spending time with family and friends, and of course, gifts giving and receiving gifts gifts and gifts as many of you may know, I love the holidays. But it's always stressful. Figuring out the most perfect gift for those in our list. In today's podcast. We're going to talk about gifts what to get who to give and my favorite gift this year. Khloe mall, vogue, social editor is here with me to talk about the best gifts for those on your list. We have both been pouring over the vote gift guys both online and in the December issue we've come up without top ten gifts. Khloe welcome. Thank you. Andrea very happy to be here ready. So we're gonna go to your categories. It's with the top of the list and tell us a little bit. Why chose that gifted? So my gift for him is actually could also work for food lover because my husband is a great cook. And I I love this DIY deluxe. Hot sauce cat. And I think that that would be a really exciting gift to receive on Christmas morning and that'll keep my husband busy for the whole day. And then we can try different kinds. Yes. You make six different hot sauces. There's multiple ingredients that you're giving in your kid. It's almost like a fragrance kit that used you're kid and instead it's for hot sauces. So you can adjust your level of spiciness depending on who likes what at what heat. So that what I was very excited about. So I think I'm going to order that. Immediately specialty in the kitchen specialize for me specialities, not burning things which is great speakers. That that's not the case for me. But he's very good at cooking sort of southern dishes. He does very good corn bread. Excellent grits. He's a big Sean Brock fan himself. He's from Virginia wonderful. Six months. I didn't even know you. I should have known. What congratulates very much? Oh my goodness. Well, Christmas, it'll be wonderful at your house with sightsee by my gift for her. You know, my mother is getting a new puppy. We've always loved Disney together. And I love this Olympia tan by Disney clutch, the lady and the tramp clutch. So I thought that combining her love of Disney and her new puppy that that would be appropriate gift gift for her. So I think I'm going to be getting that for her, and hopefully, the puppy will not eat it. I just saw your mother the other day on him in a fabulous movie directed by George Kuka, rich and famous. Yes, that was fabulous films. She was so wonderful in that she was playing southern author. I think. Shell cool. It's really good to look at that. Now with. Yes. And Hochner saucy seen an airplane. Good. My gift for kids. I have six nieces and nephews. So that's always my the most robust gifting category. For me. The hardest for me as my eleven year old niece because she has her own ideas about closed. She doesn't want to receive toys. It's sort of the preteen moment. And I love this idea of a make history time capsule. I remember when I was a kid you made a time capsule. It's still at our house in France or waiting to be uncovered. And this allows you it's sort of gives you all the ingredients you need to make it yourself. So I think I'm gonna get that for her. And then we can maybe do that together. Really, original fabulous. My two year old nephew Alfie is quite a superhero. And there's this make your own superhero. Cape that I thought was quite fabulous. And really would encourage superior. Okay. The burgeoning fashion designer and Greg. That that kit. I think will really go a long way, these sports fanatic. I think that it should be something for post sports because everyone is injuring themselves with their tents boot camps and mud runners and at cetera, you know, try triathlons so this role Powell this. It's almost a massage want, and it's very deeply, massages and needs your muscles. So that you can sort of lengthened all of the the tissue there. So I would get that for someone. It's splurge for a sports gadgets. But I think it would really go along. It's four hundred dollars for little last. I know. So you better hope that saving your your entire. So if you have aching back, you can't roll it on your back someone else doing four you. That's true. Be interesting. That's an extra cocoa. Great for tech obsessed. I think that over the holidays when you're with your family, you should detect and I would give someone a puzzle this sort of opposite. And this Alex Prager puzzle from the MoMA store, I thought really fabulous and crowd seeing. That's really fat. It's a crowd scene. It would be fun to do. It's perfect for the art lover for someone who has everything. Good. It's just having a small intimate gathering after dinner, you sit there, and you just do the puzzle have coming. The crowd scene, discreet. Pie in the sky to me that would be the Dominique and sell secret recipes because it's still to me a pint of sky idea to able to get a crow nut because you still have to wait in line for so many hours. So to actually be able to bake cronut really is a pie in the sky dream for me. So I think that that would be a good way to gift that for the world traveler, I love the Smiths and currency cases that have the two Dipper compartments, and it's really the best way to travel and to keep your euros in one and your dollars in the other, and you're not gonna pay your French taxi driver in dollars. He's not going to be happy and that just works. Well for everyone for pets. My dog Phyllis my mother's dog Phyllis my stepfather is Jewish and he believes that Phyllis has also Jewish and so they make these great chew toys from a company called COPA Judeh called chewy treats. And there's a sheep chew toy called Bah mitzvah. And and so I think. I will get Phyllis the bomb. It's ju- for for for Hanukkah, and I think she'll really be excited about she's about thirteen. So it's sort of. It's the right time for my gift on a budget. I think there's nothing lovelier than having hot chocolate over the holidays and this sue extra dark drinking chocolate from mouth is looks delicious. I would like to be drinking it immediately. So that would be my preference to an I think people will be very grateful grateful. Graceful Cloyd a fabulous. Now. What are you wanting Santa to bring you for Christmas? Well, that is an excellent question. Andre. You know, I love those on your hand, Mark bespoke pieces, I think that they're so fabulous. And I always give them as gifts. But it's the kind of thing you would never make for yourself or have done for yourself. So that would be a lovely thing to receive. Do you have your pet? Do you have any pets? No, I don't sadly, my building does not allow but Phyllis is. Yes. Exactly. Well, that's wonderful. So now, I tell me about your getting very very strange but on us, but I love the idea of giving and I love shopping. I actually love shopping part of experiences hunting down the right gift for the right person for a guy. I would be giving him a beautiful Puckett comb by Bri radio, and it comes little case. But I always think it's a good thing to give a guy a comb because guys don't they don't use them enough. And I was going to get the bid all I thought of something online that they had a vote Abid oil for something like thirty five dollars because guys are so messy with their beards. But they have careful, but none of the groom then people need to groom that being everyone's wearing their beards more sort of his beard looks better oil you'd better groom it so for her. I would of course, go very fascinating of a on Jacobs jacket. It's a blue jacket. It's very Christmas. There's nothing more special again girl a jacket. For christmas. A something of clothing and the best because it's just it's a statement jacket, and you're gonna go right on Christmas day with now for kids. I'm not especially in friends but kids, but therefore I would go with a big old stuff drafted rapid you can ride from the Hansa right under wrath in almost life size. And it's so cute. It's face got long eyelashes perfect for a little kid. I think that'd be lovely pets pets pets pets. Oh, of course. I would have to go for the ultimate thing. The Goya doggy bowl. I mean, remember Amy Spindler the late eighty spent of the New York Times we in Paris once and she went into going on and got that doggy bowl. Let me it's the classics design, and she came to a fashion show with Amy you've got a beautiful pocketbook. So you serious it's Donny Bola. She put it down. And she let her dog drink water from the double sided doggy bowl. I think that's wonderful. It's fabulous fabulous. It's awesome. The pets. Monogram that would be lovely guess the monogram was the next category fanatic. I would go for definitely the fabulous public schools silver jacket. If it's a girl guy is fabulous jacket. You know, the first base silver jacket. You know, something sparkley something an expected, and then we have food lover food food food lover listed Stilton cheese. It's fabulous. I would give a fabulous can of Clawson authentic, British blue Stilton cheese, and it comes in that corridor. Gorgeous, blue and Delft esque. Yes, wrapping container and I love Stilton cheese. I mean, I have a story about Hilton cheese. I hadn't been Olo Blahnik once come on the concord back in the day of friend of ours. When it's still cheese from England. And I bring that Stilton cheese on the concord, and he came on the Concorde with the Stilton cheese on his lap. And she was very very happy about that. So I was definitely get. So say would not allow that not today. The eighties. The TSA would be X Reagan examining and everything that's Stilton cheese would not arise and tech obsessed. Of course, would be the beats headsets so cool so silvery, and so wonderful sparkling pie in the sky is obviously a one truffle very very beautifully done in Alba talion trussell. It's done in a glass job with the white truffle or white truffle white truffle, it's rather expensive. But it's very unexpected gift. What surprise truffle that would be lovely to have especially if you're looking to Kim. And then we would go for the world traveler, my world traveler gift would be the books theory of bunch of books put out by Canterbury. Classic world cloud. Classic books there in beautiful crayon box colors, and you get a set of books of the classics. You get everything from uncle Tom to Harriet be from heavy beaches store to probably Austin, and I love the colors, and it looks like you would love to just put that book of your carry on. And then for the gift on the budget. I think this is fabulous. It would be Santamaria Novello, erred and mint water. What in the world, you would urban meant. What looks beauty the glass. Yes. Do you drink it? Or do you sprang comet Dukan within the cook it at two teaspoons of herb admit one to your dough for your butter biscuits. I just love the idea that's urban mid water. You know, who cares? Okay. Thank you Chloe so much Chloe. You wonderful. I love your gifts. I especially if the gift of giving you husband, the thoughts is Ford. He's going to be very happy with that. And I love all the gifts facilities. Oh, yes. Well, that's. Thiel mom for my will. All right. You so much merry Christmas to you saying that now do you have to be politically correct to say happy holidays? I don't know. Okay. Thank you Chloe. Well, my ultimate gift issue would be because I think it's a wonderful DEA fabulous gift and my different grace cottage and has finally issued a book grace thirty years and folk, and it is a must buy for every fashion love on your list. It's on sale now at Barney's and stores all over the world. And I think it was a fabulous fabulous fabulous gift. Be sure to go to the store and subscribe to the vote podcasts.

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Full Episode: Wednesday, April 28, 2021

World News Tonight with David Muir

21:20 min | 3 months ago

Full Episode: Wednesday, April 28, 2021

"Tonight new reporting just in what to expect from president biden tonight historic address to congress and the nation and the developing headline today the federal rate at rudy giuliani's home but i president biden tonight and his address to a joint session of congress ninety nine days into his presidency and tonight we have just learned some of what he'll say to congress and to american people also tonight how the house chamber will look different. Just two hundred lawmakers and dignitaries distanced in this pandemic the first lady but no guests and the history that will be made right behind the president and the president where most americans support his handling of the pandemic now. He tries to sell the next part of his agenda infrastructure jobs universal pre-k and paid. Leave tonight the cost and the questions mary. Bruce live at the capital developing news. Today involving rudy giuliani federal agents. Raiding the new york city home and office of former president trump's personal attorney sources tell. Abc news the fbi sees eletronic devices including his cell phone as part of a federal investigation. What our giancarlo has learned tonight corona virus in the us news tonight on the pfizer and derna vaccines the new study on seniors. Sixty five and older and paolo affective these two vaccines are in keeping you from the hospital. Also tonight for the first time we hear from one of the jurors who convicted derek. Chauvin of bordering. George floyd telling us he did not feel pressure to find chauvin guilty. He and the other jurors studied the evidence and the one charge that took them the longest deliberate. And what he revealed about the jury. Wishing derek chauvin had the stand with the jurors told our robin roberts breaking news tonight in the death of ahmad. Arbery in georgia tonight. News coming in new federal charges hate crime and attempted charges for three suspects accused of shooting and killing barberie while he was jogging. Pierre thomas standing by with president biden said to pull out troops from afghanistan by september eleventh twentieth anniversary of the nine eleven attacks tonight hear the chilling interview with a taliban commander and the warning now to american troops in panel live in afghanistan and tonight remembering apollo. Eleven astronaut made history from abc news. World headquarters anymore. This is world news. Tonight with dean. He'll video. It's great to have you with us here in a wednesday night that developing headline tonight the federal raid on rudy. Giuliani's home. here in new york city giancarlo on that in a moment but first what will be an historic night in our nation's capital just a short time from now. President biden will deliver his first address to a joint session of congress and to the american people. The president speaking to the nation on the eve of his first one hundred days in office this day ninety nine he took office of course at a time of great challenge this once in a century pandemic millions of jobs lost and he's expected to declare tonight that this country is turning peril into possibility crisis into opportunity setback into strength. But it will look a lot different tonight. Just two hundred people in the house chamber in this pandemic usually about eight times that about sixteen hundred lawmakers and dignitaries for these addresses to congress but in this pandemic they will be socially distanced and there will be no guests it will be far more intimate president biden with a chance to address a nation millions at home who of course hoping for a new chapter in this pandemic but there were also so many other issues the long overdue reckoning on race justice policing the economy jobs climate and a president who knows this is a deeply divided. He's been working on his speech for days. Fine tuning they say his message. The capitol tonight will be under tight security. The speech delayed in part because of the pandemic is work on his cove relief bill but also because of security concerns after the attack on the capital and the president will try to leverage support from the american people on his handling of the pandemic on what comes next. He hopes infrastructure jobs universal pre-k and paid leave. Of course critics asking about the cost already. Here's our senior white. House correspondent. Mary bruce leading us off from the hill tonight tonight. President biden putting the finishing touches on a presidential address like none. We've ever seen before. The usually packed house chamber will be largely empty. Just two hundred people instead of the usual. Sixteen hundred only. A fraction of congress will be there from the supreme court. Just chief justice. John roberts attending the full cabinet won't be present either so no need for the usual designated survivor. No special guests in the first lady's box either. Everyone who is in the chamber socially distanced and in masks but there will be history made for the first time ever to women. The vice president in the house speaker will be sitting over the president's shoulders the speech a chance for biden to tout his accomplishment so far according to excerpts he will tell americans one hundred days since i took the oath of office lifted my hand off our family bible and inherited a nation in crisis the worst pandemic century the worst economic crisis since the great depression the worst attack on our democracy since the civil war now after just one hundred days i can report to the nation. America is on the move again one day after telling vaccinated americans. They could lose their masks. Outside gruner afternoon is handling of the pandemic will be front and center in tonight's remarks were saving thousands of lives and more and more as each day goes by but the president will also highlight. What comes next his recovery push urging congress to pass his two trillion dollar infrastructure bill and unveiling a new sweeping childcare and education. Plan calling for universal pre-k for all three and four year olds two years of tuition free community college subsidized child care for low income families and twelve weeks of paid family. Leave the cost. One point eight trillion dollars another multi. Trillion dollar smorgasbord of liberal social engineering. The president now asking congress to pass a total of more than four trillion dollars in new spending and to pay for it by raising taxes on the most wealthy americans. He'll make that case tonight. Mary bruce live in the capital and mary president biden. We know what so many of these speeches in that chamber. Thirty six years as a senator eight years as vice president standing behind president obama tonight. Of course it's his turn and he will try to rally the country declaring as you said there that america is on the move again. David president is going to try to build off the goodwill. He's earned through his handling of this pandemic but he will argue that. The country still has a lot to prove saying quote. We have to prove democracy still works that our government still works and can deliver for the people. David mary bruce thank you mary. We'll be right here with us tonight. I hope you'll join us right here for the president's address i'll be joined by mary. Martha raddatz cecilia. Vega lindsay davis giancarlo. Our powerhouse political team. All here live coverage of president. Biden's address to a joint session of congress. Nine pm eastern. That's right here on abc. In the meantime we continue with the news. Tonight and the other developing headline involves the federal raid involving rudy giuliani federal agents and police rating the new york city home and office of former president trump's personal attorney authorities waking up at six. Am sources telling abc news. The fbi sees the electronic devices including his cell phone all part of the federal investigation. Here's our chief. Washington correspondent jonathan. Karl on what. He's learned tonight new york city. Police officers were seen this afternoon. Leaving the apartment building on the upper east side of manhattan. Where rudy giuliani lives was awakened at six. Am this morning by federal agents armed with a search warrant. They seized his electronic devices including his mobile phone and they also raided his office and sees the computer of his longtime assistant gone. It's an extraordinary turn of events for the former mayor of new york city who also served as the personal lawyer for president trump and it marks a dramatic escalation of an investigation that has been underway for nearly two years today. Giuliani son lashed out. This is disgusting. This is absolutely absurd and is he continued his asian of the justice department. That we have seen. It has to stop if this gap into the former president. Lawyer is can happen. Any american enough is enough a source briefed on the investigation tells. Abc news. federal prosecutors. Wanted to do this last fall but their request was denied by the trump justice department. Because it was too close to the election last year. Giuliani dismissed speculation. He was seeking a presidential partly. Anyone is your response to claims that you're seeking apart not according to giuliani's lawyer. Federal agents were looking for information related giuliani's activities in ukraine and twenty nineteen when he was attempting to get the ukrainian government to investigate. Joe biden's son hunter. They're also looking to see whether he was also acting as a foreign agent on behalf of clients in ukraine. Giuliani has long insisted he has just been fighting the good fight for donald trump. I started my career. And maybe i'll end it rooting out corruption at the highest levels of government but now he finds himself investigated by the us attorney for the southern district of new york. A high profile post where giuliani himself made his name. The bar forgetting a search warrant for a lawyer especially a lawyer for the president of former president of the united states is high prosecutors. David would have had a convinced. Judge that the search would likely produce evidence of a crime. Meanwhile jury giuliani's lawyer saying quote that prosecutors are trying to make rudy. Giuliani look like a criminal. David giancarl on the developments involving rudy giuliani and john. We'll see here for coverage of the president just shortly. Now see them. In the meantime the corona virus here in the us in the push to vaccinate millions of americans who have yet to get the shot and tonight here the new study gun pfizer and moderna and seniors showing the vaccines are ninety. Four percent effective at preventing hospitalizations among those sixty five and older. Here's even pilgrim tonight. The country vaccination sides running out of willing arms in philadelphia a push to get through four thousand doses of the pfizer vaccine before it expires tomorrow. I don't wanna do it. But i'm going to do it because i want to go see my grandson and my daughter. E comes as a new. Cdc analysis of real world data the pfizer vaccines shows that fully vaccine dolts. Sixty five and older are ninety. Four percent less likely to be hospitalized with covid nineteen still. Many people. don't want a vaccine. I heard a lot of stuff. And i'm afraid with the push to get everyone sixteen and over vaccinated a tragic reminder of the threat for those who are still unprotected in hawaii. A boy under the age of ten vacationing with his family died. After getting the virus health officials say the child who had underlying health conditions began showing symptoms. Shortly after arrival his parents were vaccinated and had tested negative before traveling overall cases across the country are dropping just a month after the. Cdc director warned of impending doom today. A hopeful tone. We think that this is related to increase vaccination increase people taking caution and so i'm cautiously optimistic. That we're turning the corner and in philadelphia. They were able to get through a thousand at least thousand of those doses today. But they again. Those vaccines will expire tomorrow. David pilgrim here in new york tonight. Even thank you do develop into the case that made national headlines a federal grand jury today charging three men with federal hate crimes and attempted kidnapping in connection with the death of arbery in georgia are berea black man jogging and in neighborhood when he was shot and killed last year. Let's get right to our chief. Justice correspondent pierre thomas following late developments tonight. Peer federal charges being brought with the justice department making stark and sobering allegations. Prosecutors claimed armored arbery is dead because of his race they claimed it was simply jogging. Jogging on a public street was targeted kidnapped fatally shot. Because he's a black man father and son gregory and travis mcmichael and their friend. William bryant tonight are charged with federal hate crimes including attempted kidnapping and firearms offenses. The men also face state murder charges but tonight the justice department's weighing in legend arbery civil rights were violated david. White pierre thomas. Who's been following this case for months. Pierre thank you for the first time. We are now hearing from one of the jurors who convicted derek chauvin of murdering george floyd telling us he did not feel pressure to find chauvin guilty that he and the other. Juries studied the evidence and the one charge says that took them the longest and what he revealed about the jury wishing derek chauvin had taken the stand. But the juror told our robin roberts. And here's abc's alex price. Tonight the jury. I will now read the verdicts tonight for the first time. We're hearing from one of the jurors who convicted derek chauvin of murdering george. Floyd i wanna start off. I send my condolences to the floyd family. Juror brandon mitchell. Speaking to our robin roberts on gm may about that gut wrenching video of chauvin pinning floyd at the neck. What was the impact of that. Nine minute twenty nine seconds video and was that the difference maker seeing the multiple angles over from the body cans from the other. The other cell phones It was probably the most important piece of evidence to understand. The mitchell says. The jury relied heavily on testimony from dr martin. Tobin the prosecution's expert on lung function and breathing by him saying like when the last breath was from his respective All of us when it came time to deliberate mitchell. Saturday disgust each charge individually revealing. It was that third degree murder charge that took the longest to agree on and it was one person that was still kind of like they were unsure. They were like maybe does maybe it. Doesn't they needed more time to say with it and to talk about it. Find the defendant guilty. The jury would find shelving guilty on all charges. Mitchell banker in highschool coach also sharing the toll that the trial process took on jurors. He says he became emotional. And floyd's brother took the stand. I shed some tears mukarram. Nobody notices. Because i lifted my mask of high to wear caught my tears. I really felt like that could have been me. Could have been my brother and david. Despite all of the protests mitchell says they focused squarely on the trial and the evidence in front of them he says some jurors hope to hear directly from chauvin himself but he ultimately chose not to testify. David or alex. Prager thanks to you tonight. There is also news this evening about the deadly police shooting of andrew brown junior elizabeth city north carolina. A judge today blocking the release of that police body camera video for at least a month while authorities conduct their investigation. The families has brown was in his car his hands on the wheel and not a threat when deputies opened fire the da says videos. He hit deputies with his car before he was shot overseas tonight into. Us troops in afghanistan and with president by addressing congress. Later tonight in the american people the president of course already promising to pull all. Us troops out of afghanistan by september eleventh. The twentieth anniversary of nine eleven tonight here are in afghanistan. The interview with taliban commander and his warning now for american troops. Here's our senior. Foreign correspondent ian panel from kabul as us as troops prepare to withdraw afghan forces. Prepare to the taliban alot american may have signed a deal with the taliban but the security situation here is only getting worse and the number of attacks a starting to increase again tonight. America's sworn enemy emerging from the shadows declaring victory over america as the troops ready to leave now in an exclusive interview a taliban commander brazenly warning the us must stick to the original withdrawal date of may first year or face consequences. If she says if something happens it'll be unfortunate for america. That sounds like a veiled threat to commander was released. Early from prisoners patted the us taliban deal. He's already back on the front lines. President biden says the threat to the. Us homeland has been removed. But many here disagree either. Fight them here or wait and fight them near your so in your analysis. President biden's just made a terrible mistake. History will prove him wrong. Few regret america's departure more than the women and girls of afghanistan. This forced to close by the taliban today. The girls are back the fear the militants return to any of you have concerns about the future. What are your thoughts when americans leave our country. we think that we will face an inner wall in our country and it will dropped our education all wants to leave in peace really global concern after so much progress for women and children there ian panel joining us from kabul tonight in the. Us keeps close. Watch on these threats that you report about here. We learned just this week. The us has also as part of all of this order to pull out of all non essential staff from the us embassy in kabul. Yeah that's right and it's for security reasons. They social security uppermost in the minds of the military. So full b fifty. Two's net craft carrier and a contingent of elite army. Rangers have been put into place to help protect the troops. They had home david. Ian panel reporting live from kabul in. Thank you when we come back here. In this country. We're tracking severe storms in multiple states. Today millions on alert and the small plane crash word of multiple fatalities tonight to enjoy the view. Wherever the day takes you come on now. I have no fear. The view girls are here to speak names unafraid to share their views and hold nothing back talk about beings on this show that people don't talk about and now abc's. The view is available as a podcast with whoopi joy. Sarah sunny meghan and diana this going to be good. Enjoy the view podcast. Listen for free on apple podcasts. Or your favorite podcast app. Every weekday afternoon tonight millions from texas all the way up to new york on alert for severe weather. A tornado touching down in oklahoma overnight. No injuries reported flash flooding across parts of the south today and storm slowly moving east large hail tornadoes and damaging winds across several states as the system. Now moves east when we come back. What we're learning now about that. Deadly plane crash jacksonville tonight. The faa is investigating a deadly plane crash in florida. Small plane going down in a wooded area near jacksonville killing all three people on board. It's believed it was not long after takeoff. Let me come back here in apollo eleven hero funding tonight here remembering apollo eleven astronaut michael collins and his journey to the moon lepto. We have a laptop liftoff on apollo eleven. It was fifty two years ago. Apollo eleven landing on the moon all up by prevail astronauts neil armstrong and buzz aldrin stepping foot on the moon surface collins alone now in the command module michael collins. Staying back he was to command module pilot but we crew felt the weight of the world on our shoulders and we wanted to do the best. We possibly could keep an asked over the years if he felt left out for not walking on the moon to as far as feeling left out or anything not at all i felt very much equal partner with them. Today michael collins family revealing his died at ninety years old after a battle with cancer saying they are celebrating his life. His sharp wit. He's quiet sense of purpose. His wife's perspective gain both from looking back at earth from the vantage of space and gazing across calm waters from the deck of his fishing boat. And tonight michael collins in his own words his view of earth beyond its size and its gloss. It's a fragile. Little tiny thing beautiful shiny though. It may be it's very fragile words to remember. I'll see you at nine pm eastern for the president. Could we could see them. Burning the negroes pat attack. It was terrible. It was one of the most violent attacks in american history and one that americans were afraid to discuss. Some people were threatened with their very lives if they talked about it from. Abc audio comes a new podcast about the massacre of hundreds of black americans and why it was kept a secret for a century. Listened to tosses berry. 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Humor, Vulnerability, and Instagram - A Talk with Artists Mitra Saboury and Ben Zank

B&H Photography Podcast

1:01:00 hr | 2 years ago

Humor, Vulnerability, and Instagram - A Talk with Artists Mitra Saboury and Ben Zank

"You're listening to the beach Taga fee podcast for over forty years being h has been the professional source for photography video audio and more for your favorite gear. News and reviews. Visit us at B H dot com or download the bien h app to your iphone or Android device. Now, here's your host, Alan White's. Greetings, and welcome to the bean h photography podcasts. Today's guests are a pair of visual artists whose photographs depending on where your heads are at will make you either chuckle squirm blanche or any combination of the above and while the easy to label. They work as pure whimsey. The imagery they produce his Deepa than it appears matrix abory is in L A based artists whose work blends, photography video sculpture and performance. She works both under her own name as well. As one of the collaborators of a creative entity known as Neagh wreck blending playfulness with discomfort. Meech resort explores the physical and psychological effects of living environments upon their inhabitants Leach health solo exhibition. In Birmingham, and Wakefield, UK soul, San Francisco and Los Angeles. Most recently who work is appeared at this spring break art, fair in Los Angeles. Welcome e Tra Benzon describes his photos as being power struggles as power struggle. Thank you know, fear. You cheated you read the script. That's also old. It's outdated. But it's fine. Just do it. Anyway. Okay. What's up? There's no real impact bans AAC used to describe as photos. Not anymore is images often with himself as subject portray being control being powerless being struck and being free again. But then again, that's what used to be right. That's not anymore. Okay. This is metaphor, of course. But also quite literal as his subjects are often photograph beneath behind or otherwise incorporated into their respective environments. Then seems to avoid explanations of his work, but it has been said in his self portrait, the the ego and superego appear to have metaphorically expanded and the lane tension inherent to the images. Zank pre creates reflect perfectly the inner emotional struggles of the artists. I couldn't have said it better myself. I'm going to read it against I understand it now. Anyway, Trubin is it true? Come clean. Yeah. Okay. Show's over well, guys. Welcome welcome to our Hudson yards broadcast studio here in the heart of Manhattan look into the show. Thank you. You guys. Both have is a basis to your work. There's a sense of humor to it. All right. Is that is that central to it? Or is that just something that happened to work out that just that's rid- ended up going? No. I mean humor isn't the core. Aspect of like what I do. But it often finds its way into the images. And I mean, I like to think of myself as like a funny person, especially when I'm in a good mood, and I don't fight it. Like if there's humor in my images. That's great. Sometimes people look at images, and I don't think they're funny and they start laughing. And sometimes I think in images hilarious in no one gets it. Those are the best jokes, by the way. When no one else gets them. Give an example of either. Yes. I does one image. I have a a man with his face under like some road lines. Apparently when my dad saw that image. He was sitting at a table with my mom and he likes spit out his like water. Laughing or something on the steps. I know it's a different one. But it's similar similar theme. And you never thought it was funny. I mean, I didn't really yeah. No. I didn't think it was like meant to be funny. But did you work start off with this? I'm not going to say Umer because maybe that's the wrong kind of word that you both kind of have this teasing wims e about it. And you will also tend to specially with you matrix. Push the limits of comfort I would say you really put people into abbey a comfort zones visually. I think with that photo to with Ben's photo, you could read into it as like the struggle of a man, and I think that in both of our works on we're kind of easing laughter as a form of medicine, and it's like really takes care of other issues, and there's different kinds of humor. There's different kinds of laughter. There's nerve. Laughter. There's uncontrollable like belly laughter. And I think that I can see this invents work as well. It's not necessarily the base of the work. But it's something to act as like an access point for people to get into the get into the image in the beginning. And then kind of dig deeper and see the layers of do you want people to love whether it's nervous or what kind of laughed or would you like to cook? We all just laugh. So right now. Pointed about that when you're working on a lot of these images that you're doing. Is part of your end goal. The reaction near the beginning. These people to watch them say at an installation or show and just watch their faces is that your payoff this whole thing. Or is that part of it equal to the creative aspect of creating the art because I would imagine just watching people's reactions could be fun 'specially trying to interpret it because that's probably one of the funniest things. You could do is listen to people interpret your work. Definitely. That's a great point on really engaged with the audience, and especially now using social media more. There's a much more direct communication between the audience and myself. So I though I can't necessarily see their facial expression in reaction to what they're seeing. An I'm curious how Ben is uses social media as well. Because it's a it's a direct access to your audience, and you can engage with people in a very. Is very intimate way because it's very personal. But it's very removed at the same time. Because you don't really know what that person looks like I think people are actually more honest online than in in a gallery setting. I think I. They're less afraid to be critical, which is actually very helpful and also positive too. I think that people allow themselves to be more vulnerable when they're behind their phone screen. So it does engage the audience in a different way of a question for you, mutual as you said people, you find people to be more honest on the internet than than in person like a gallery show per se. Your work is very. It's it. I think it's like so it has before I like say anything else about it. I guess it has a sense of like this extreme vulnerability to it or it. It's so intense that it immediately strikes people like at their core. So like the response that they're gonna give is I would say like an immediate emotional reaction that might actually be outside of their own control. Whereas if they look at something like a painting or a color, it's they can they can control it. But when they see your work, they might not be able to control how they react to it. And is that why you find people to be more honest to you? I haven't looked at the people's comments on your work. But I think that when people become uncomfortable. They learn something about themselves because assuming that they continue to live. They have to adapt to that discomfort and. Find comfort within that setting. So within that new setting, and whether that's like physically being there or viewing piece that makes them uncomfortable or just having some kind of experience that's outside of what they are. Normally processing that there's a a goal to some of your pieces. I mean is there something that you would like for people to come away with? No, I mean, nothing at all. No, not at all. And what if somebody laughs at a piece that you phone serious? That's great. That's great. Yeah. Then what about the reverse? It's great. It's all great. It's all great. It's all great. So when you're creating a piece is it is it ever necessary to kind of ask yourself. How is this going to be received? How is this going to be do you ever think twice about what's going to happen after it's put out there? Absolutely. But I'm I don't think I've made anything controversial enough. Where I really thought that at this time yet, I think for me personally what I do is. So interpretive don't really try to put meaning into it. It's it's just a visual interaction that I'm having with the with the environment at the time, and sometimes sometimes an idea that might pertain to a relevant event going on in society might happen. But most of the time I'm just reacting to my environment. Well, I mean, I kind of find both of the work that you both do whether it's meet wreck or your personal work or Benue work. I mean that there's humor in there. And I call that I find that a good thing it, let's say you're out in process, and you have an idea. Maybe the strikes you as wims ical funny. I don't know. Does that affect the way you're going to go forward when you make the peace? I mean, do you do you think? Okay. Well, this was funny. And now, you know, three days into it and making it, and I'm just not it's not so funny anymore. Does that come into play at all? When you're thinking about your work. Earlier on on when I was I just getting into Pataki when I actually I started pursuing photography as as not just photography. But as an art I was very focused on doing stuff that that would appear as very serious or very dark like when I first started like posting work to the internet. I did like post on Reddit would say, this is my dark surreal photography like I didn't want it to be taken like humorous at all. I wanted to be you know, considered very serious. And now when I do something, I don't really care at all. Like, I recently shot in the desert, and I didn't have many ideas. But I mean one photo I did I was wearing like socks on my hands. And then I like made a duplicate, and I wore them on my head or just I didn't care how ridiculous it was. I think the more ridiculous. The better in people might look at it. And they might not laugh, but like, it's funny. To me. So I mean as long as I'm having fun when I do it does fun. I think it's a really good moment to let go of a work when you're when it brings you joy as the creator. Absolutely. I really like to make work that I also am amused by. Do you? Go back to me working and then still get a chuckle. Has passed. It's passed. Yes. Some of if I'm far enough removed from I think now I can go back. I feel like you can view life with humor with depression like those are kind of the options. And so when you get an idea stuck in your head, you can work through it in one of those ways, and it's really valuable to be able to laugh at yourself. If you have any any photographs Remigius that you've were this could be fry the one of you also that again will whimsical to start. But looking back on it. You realize it's kind of painful because you know, we it's easy to laugh off problems in kind of joke about things that we don't want to deal with and have you either one of you founded a position where you're looking at this picture that was really funny picture, I was really dealing with some heavy stuff back then didn't want to deal with it or anything like that. Chuckle out of them. Chocolate. So Derek Paul Jack Boyle is the other half of meat wreck. And we worked we've been working on that project since two thousand thirteen and it's been through some hard moments. Like we were in the Mojave for a little while in a motel, and we had it was it was very different to living in L A. And I think neither of us expected it and the work we made kind of reflected that time and we're both proud of the work. But it was a hard time. And it was nice. It's nice that we have memories of it documented through these photograph at the time was what you were creating you finding humor in it and looking back. Do you still see that definitely? Yeah. We were just taking aspects of our drab motel lifestyle and turning them into like beautiful moments. So. Yeah. There is one photo of of a microwave where. This alert inside you've seen it. Nice work. Don page. You just happen to happen that way. Yeah. Yeah. That was in a motel. There was this this one this one with the ducks in the toilet that we posted recently. Picture on the site, actually. Little environment that you created. Yes. Little ecosystem. Exactly, it's creating many environments where you can get lost in within the bigger. Question. This is more for more from each but obscured. See what Ben would say to is there some kind of set of of core ideals or beliefs that you want to shine through your work. Yeah. And if so what are they? It's a great question. I guess too. It's it's changing. This is this is what it is just being open to being open to change being open to adopt. And I guess the core is self reflection and honesty and being okay? With making yourself vulnerable of other guys. Changed your work a little bit based on some of the reactions that you've had. That's good question. Like, for example. I mean, this is kind of part two, and I started ahead of it. But I mean to me it takes some kind of courage to put out work that where you look a little silly. Or you're doing some that may be weird. And and you want to get a deeper meaning through this nece, you get you want people to kind of see through it to find something a little deeper, and you have to partner Rigo. And and oftentimes the reactions may not be what you want. But does that affect you? Absolutely. I think. I'm sure mutual. You can definitely agree with this that. You're always in constant struggle with yourself to step outside of your comfort zone time and time again because as an artist people expect you to be original all of the time. I recently actually got a comment not a comment, but a private message on Instagram from someone who said that they are such a, you know, huge fan, and they used to be inspired every day by what I did. But recently, they felt like they could predict everything I could I did. And they go you gotta curator see. I wouldn't say. It's it's a harsh comment. I didn't reply because I don't know. I didn't know what to say to it. But I understood I understood what they were saying. I mean, I can't I would say the reason I didn't reply is because I can't just change myself like that. It's it's something that I need to do slowly like I record persons observation. And it's it's it's I I know myself, I think any artists I think we all know it that, you know, sometimes we put ourselves in dare I say the brand box where we're putting out work that people expect us to put out a expect to see this from you. And why do you think the door keeps bringing that frisbee back? Dog bone involved in you. That's it wasn't saying. What? Likes followers most. They are are they are they think so I don't are. They. You say maybe, but like come on you if you if you get Wilson five times. From from from, you know, not that we're like, you know, big shots or anything. But from our perspective is I think we've we've received, you know, the the gratification enough times where it doesn't. It doesn't really do what it may be used to do like. Yeah. I I will say I'll be the first I was very excited when I got one hundred likes on a photo. I was extremely excited when I got a thousand lakes, I don't really care. I mean, you know, twenty percent thirty percent of those likes are bought s-. And the other thirty percent are people who are just pressing like so you can look at their image. And then maybe, you know, thirty percent are people who actually like look at the work and care. So it's it's a small sample size of people who were actually paying attention. The comments themselves are also just people who are hoping that you will you know, respond and look at their work would be what would be the the bone. What what what do you want to get? From newark. Well, social media is is an excellent tool for. You know, showing your platform. It's helped me until many many people help it's helped any artist these days. I mean, I couldn't imagine what it would be like, you know, twenty years ago twenty five years ago before the internet to, you know, make a living as as an artist you had to know the right people now, you can just blast your stuff out on the internet and go viral. It's an excellent tool for promoting yourself twenty five years ago, either you had a gallery show, you paint the decide of subway cars. That's what that's precisely. And. It's great. I love it. But I recognize that it's it's really it's not the end all and be all two things. And something that I I've struggled with is finding a way to to remove myself from social media to a point where I can, you know, operate on unlike a real world level in the dare I say the art industry rather than just, you know, throwing an image on Instagram and hoping that the right people see it because there's a lot less episode. I mean, just separate of social media. What what would be? What is the desired goal? What is the desired reaction? I mean, you just said, you know, one third of what people said to say to you may count the rest, maybe not how would you like people who react to your work? Well, that's the thing is I don't really I mean, you want people to react, positively. But I think you mostly just want people to react. I think if you were to if magin if you made something and it became extremely popular. And by extremely popular. I dunno CNN like said that what you did was like, you know, heinous, you know, we're like what you did was evil. But like you still he's still got you still got the media attention. You're getting clicks on that one for each still get the clicks. You know, it might not be positive, but you're still getting the attention. I mean, someone some artists might think that's great. I mean, you know, I think a lot of people want, you know, the positive reaction. People wanna hear the validation. They want to say, oh, I love this. But at the end of the day, we you get that all the time. So it's it's it's refreshing to hear the honesty as long as people are engaging with it. Then I think that's great. And, you know, not everyone's going to want to engage with with every artist's work together. Do fun when you're making your work. John times, it's miserable. And sometimes it's fantastic mutual. Do do a fun. Yes. Yes. I have fun. Yes. Is hesitate on. What is this? It's a it's a long process, but making a piece is a long process, but actually having a camera in my hands is the time that I feel the most relaxed so in that moment. Yes, it's extremely enjoyable on. I do tend to rabbit hole a lot with editing get into like my own little world with my computer. But yeah, it is. It's it's it's it's a cycle of emotion. Can we go back to talking about the value? I didn't. That was an interesting point. You brought up Jason about the likes and comments the value of Instagram as a. Social currency, the value of instant validations. The groom Instagram's vacation there you go. And how far that goes psychologically versus in the real world where struggle is still very real. And. Thriving requires money, and these platforms are kind of feeding off artists in a way and not really benefiting us beyond a red. You basically feeding the beast is what you're doing this question. Let let's say that the legs and comments actually paid. You a royalty? Let's say every time every time. Someone liked your photo or omitted comment. You got I don't know five cents or something. And then. Yeah, that make it more real for you or I mean. Yeah, I would be able to buy more food. Yeah. I think it's an important point is food. That'd be pretty good. Another. The question is have. I know we're probably getting ahead of ourselves here. But do you eat the food after you're done using it in your images? Yes, we eat every crumb every crumb we step on has been through our bodies. What about the peanut butter and jelly? With Jason saying earlier to of in Mitri, the that, you know, you're putting your workout in. You're not really getting a whole lot of materially back from it. You're getting the sort of emotional thrill may be, but I feel like once you get to the point that you guys are both at that's you come become a little bit jaded to the the excitement of getting a lake, but the the other consequence of that is once your work is on social media than it's out there. And then other people start taking it and using it. So you kind of as opposed to creating a photograph twenty thirty years ago where you create the work and it goes in a gallery and people see it through that medium. Maybe they see it through a book or something like that. Now, you create a work it's on social media. And as soon as it's on social media, the expectation I think with anybody that's creating interesting work is at its it's going to be stolen and used by somebody else. In that sort of way, nothing gets more extreme extreme now. But I could tell you that before days of the net when I was doing a lot of commercial work, and my stuff is a magazine's two three times a year. I would find my photographs being stolen by other people it could eve from restaurant menus too. We'll talk to you about that. But it's more more. It happens more now, but it was harder to track them back. Then when it happened. You would never know. Yes. Since you would get a package in the mail say, hey, I saw your picture thought you might be interested in this and you got to contact lawyer. Yeah. That's yeah. But it's nothing new just more. So now, so is that a concern when you're creating something for social media versus like, I mean mature you've done a bunch of installations with work. So it's a different sort of approach. I guess but like having it actually in a gallery for sale versus having it on the internet to be approved or disapproved of by anonymous people on the internet. Thinking of the audience as your curator online. You talk. Ben. That's the thing about what does that limit? What you create we're. So that because I feel like once you get to the certain level where you're as been on speaking of earlier where your audience expect something from you is that how much of a constraint is putting on you as a creator. You not making things that you otherwise might have made because we're about that. No, it's more. Like, I I respond to the audience. So I'll make post of a video on my personal account. People will will respond to it in whatever way. And then I will the next video will be in response to them. So it's like a direct dialogue that I'm having with them. I'm actually taking taking phone calls now from strangers strangers on the internet. But I do want to jump back a little bit to this idea of humor and. Despite the fact that you both said I do care. I don't care. It is funny. It isn't funny. You guys works funny. I mean, the stuff is amusing. I mean, it doesn't mean that there's another deeper things going on. But I don't see how you can't say that when you look at some of this work that you don't get a chuckle. So I kinda just wanna know like as you're creating this work. Maybe I'm repeating the same question. But how funny do you think it is how how do you guys work through this? I'd say, you know, let's get back to the the peanut butter and jelly, and and the hands. I mean, we you guys busted up when you're making this stuff. I mean what you think about it? We think it, okay. This is really funny. And then we saw it out there. I mean, did you? I mean, if they say, it wasn't your piece and you saw that would you react with humor. How would you? Definitely and Derek. And I had a lot of fun making a lot of the pieces. It's important to not take yourself too. Seriously. I think laughing puts you more in the present moment to like, you're more aware of your body and your senses, and what's happening. When you're when you're just being amused by something, so you're the sort of worry for earlier, it's kind of an entry way to people will see it. I mean, I can speak personally, you know, you see something. And you you you'll well that's plenty. And then you take another look a little bit more. And then when you see the whole body of work, and you see those a whole lot of things like that. Then you dig in deeper. So I mean, it is. Of comedy, much comedy is social commentary turn on any late night show, all the jokes, social commentary, and that's come in like what you guys doing in a different, you know, different channel. But think with laughter to sort of it's a visceral response when you see something you laugh before you think that you're laughing, and I I think with some of your videos of to maitre, the I mean, you show me video pieces before that made me so uncomfortable. I don't even wanna watch them because this is sort of visually earth. Like, why why are you doing that sort of thing where you can almost feel what you're doing and say if you like that sort of pervades a lot of the the different way this sort of instant sort of? Thank you immediately. For example, like with the piece where you had to extend extended nails where you're jamming. You're the fake now into the crevice of a of a floor. I think it was right? The grout. Extremely uncomfortable. And I've never even had a manicure knife found. That's funny. Good. Did it make you laugh, actually? Look the same actually up. Late day. On my nails. That you love or did you having a great time? I mean, I grew out my nails for the longest I've ever grown that. I think it was maybe six or eight weeks. I mean, they were nasty. Those are all organic now. It was difficult. What about the woman on fire on the keyboard? Also real does. Where critic those were melting plastic pails burn my fingertips yet. I reach shot that one so many times to it's a process to get it, right? Just torturing myself. Okay. We're going to take a short break for traffic, and weather, and we come back. We're going to be talking more with n Beatrice. Stay tuned. We hope you're enjoying this edition of the b and h photography podcast. Send us a tweet at B H photo video Pash tag h photo podcast. So what's happening in the cross Bronx expressway as we speak. So far two taxis collided into each other. I got hit by three buses other than that. Traffic's flynn. Well, need about one point two million told. So it's going great. The Big Apple maitre weather in the Big Apple today. It is nice. There. You have it. Okay. We are back eight question. Well, it's something I asked a bit earlier, and I hope I can get back to it here, which is do guys. Does it take to put this workout? Do you feel that it's hard? Do you? Are you taking a risk? Yes. Is it hard to put some workout? Yes. I get ideas. Stuck in my head that I feel like I need to expel in a way. Like, I get these ideas that are repeat over and over and over again. And so yeah, it is it is difficult. Sometimes I feel really vulnerable. Sometimes, of course, a lot of them are sort of silly. And some are embarrassing, and it's not it's really not predictable. How people will respond and in that way, it's pretty daunting sometimes, but it's also really rewarding to to throw yourself out there and see how it was received the feeling that you have let's say, you, you are a little not sure that you want to release it. Or are you feel it may be a bit embarrassing or whatever? And it it's out there. And some responses are good some are bad. And they'll flash forward six months. How do you still feel that same? Same sense. Or is it just all now that it's out? It's all done. I'll good is that fair to say sometimes when you get out there. Yeah. Sometimes they go back in at it. Sometimes I will rework something or. Yeah. Moving it in a different context. Kind of changes it and it can morph into something else. Yeah. When I ask to maybe both you the same question though. This is you know, you had the moment of inspiration. You have this feeling that you wanna get out some idea. And then you go back to it comes back and forth. Can you talk about that time period between that moment of inspiration? And when you finally decide, okay, I'm I'm gonna put this out in that that that may involve, you know, many takes going back doing something over again going back and forth. But how do you have to come to terms with that idea or or appreciate that idea before you let it out does that make sense? You know, I mean, if let's say an idea for something what sustains that idea to make a final peace if I can pull it off. Unfortunately, a lot of the ideas that I get are, you know, constrained by the. The laws of the land really very limited space to work with here in in New York. I don't have a studio. And if I did have a studio, I probably wouldn't really want to use it. Anyway, I'd like working on location. And there's unfortunately, a very limited amount is like public space that you can access to create certain things and the the NYPD or very observant people. So they'll they'll track you down. So a lot of the a lot of the things that I do I try to do them as as quickly as possible. Sometimes I've been very fortunate to to stumble upon these very fleeting moments of urban destruction because the bureaucratic nature of the city is to fix everything as soon as possible. So if you see a crack or hole. Or you know, there's construction going on. So there's there's polls or there's wires, you know, on the street, and there's this limited amount of time that you can use that you can use those as a props or tools, and, but is that is that often your moment of inspiration your for walk in you see something on the street that the broken does. I gotta get to that. And I might have cameras always with you. Oh god. No. But these are things that take time with me everywhere. Now, it's like, oh God I can't bring in. It's heavy, but some of the work that we we're familiar with. Yes, it is is any of it been shot on site on that moment. Like, okay. You know, what I need to camera with me, absolutely, armor, speaking to you before we're you're saying, you're on a shirt on it was sort of some of your compositions come out of chance encounters with your, you know, you're walking around with you in that case, you have a model with you. You see something that looks interesting. Make the shot on the spot seems very organic. And that's where it contacts maybe one hundred percent and and going back to the the whole creation process. I'd say like one of my biggest regrets of of like not getting an image was last year. There was this phenomenon where a manhole was overflowing with water, and it was like that for for two weeks. And I waited you know, like a week and a half before I went and purchased a crowbar to to. Get the manhole often then I was going to do an image where I would submerge myself in the in the water. And when I finally, you know, I I had my friend. Come with me to help me pull it off. Because manholes are pretty heavy and is in the middle of the street. It was you know, it's summer day. So there's a lot of people walking around. You know, I pulled the I got the manhole off and the water just. If started flooding the entire street like it was just an insane amount of war. Like it literally like almost a geyser and someone like walked by like, you know, you carefully get electrocuted in there. And like a media. It's like I don't want to die for this. I want this photo. But I really don't want to die right now. Like, maybe another time. So I put the manhole though, there is a limits. You commitment is what you're saying. Okay. Part is that I thought about it for a week. And I mean, not two days later, they fix it. And it was gone completely gone. They just and that's the nature of the city is thought about recreating some of these things if I see it again, I will I will do it. But how about just recreating it like building it yourself trying to figure something like that out? Is it is it is that part of the process? I mean would that make your work? You know, I I always thought about that. Like, I've talked to people about, you know, getting budgets for for creating a set, you know, one of I don't want once again, I don't wanna go ahead of myself. But like an artist that I'm very fond of Alex Prager. She makes these very huge sets. And she works with you know, almost hundreds and hundreds of extras to create these these tab- Tableau tabloids those, and I think about doing that stuff. And then it just decree ativity there or rather just the there's no limits if you have a budget, and you can just make whatever you want. There's no limits and to me that's boring. The excitement is for like creating the excitement is like not knowing what the day will give me like stumbling upon something that wasn't there a week before and won't be there next week. And I can only get that image in that small amount of time is very exciting to me. And and it it makes it special in a way. Like, maybe the image itself might be not that great. But the fact that like this thing that happened will never be there. Again, it's it's really different kind of street photography. Totally doing it yourself. Does that give you that? I mean, I know we have a partner or friend or someone to help you along. But generally, this is you in the world. And yet it is that part of the thrill. Yeah. I mean it it's extremely stressful. And sometimes it sucks a lot. And actually the the times where I've had like one or two people helping me the images come out like remarkably better like in stressful. I mean, it sounds like again this goes back to my question. I mean isn't the process is is they're fun in the process. Are you enjoying yourself or sometimes it's really fun? Sometimes I know what I'm doing. And I'm not like working against the clock, or I'm not like stressed out that I'm going to get in you know, 'cause I work I work very publicly. Sometimes I don't wanna like travel to you know, XYZ remote location. I wanna just like shoot on likes. I go to like dead ends like great across the street from me. And you know, sometimes the police come, and I I don't like people like intruding on me, even though it's public space. I don't like being Judean on. I get an. About it. And what if you just said, okay? You know, I'm not going to do that one on wait till another into another one. I. May I would like to think that it is. But I just kind of forget. Yeah. I I guess I that in this goes back to what meters that earlier this need to get something off your chest or something out this idea, and I can see how that could create stress if you take it important for me. It's not like this one idea, but rather just a need to like produce something at that time. Like, I don't if sometimes very rarely it happens. And it's great when it does Joya have like a very specific goal in mind. And I made it, you know, take, you know, greater steps to accomplish that. But most of the time the there's just the the that gut feeling that you need to get out there and like make something essential. You you just to go back and with which to me one of the most electrifying parts of the creative process is when I'm in the midst of working, and I hear the police approaching in pulling out guns. That's me. That is the moment for me. Actually on auto more serious note. We're talking a lot about fine art here and creating artistic pieces and stuff like that. What about commercial work because I could see each of you doing work that could very easily be used editorially in commercially. Especially like, medical and psychological stuff. No joking around. I li-, especially your your pictures. I look at them. And I could see these being photo illustrations for stories about all kinds of medical conditions and stuff like that. Have you tat health insurance? Yeah. Yeah. Lots of money in that sounds great love to love. No seriously. You're stuff is just again, it's clean. It'll be easy to drop text onto even know, of course, photographers don't wanna know about Tex going on the pictures countries have a lot of open spaces that would. Just lend themselves to editorial or advertising kind of work. Sure have you approached them? I don't that's well going back to two to like myself is. You know, someone who has gotten popular on social media like I'm not that fluent in real world marketing, unfortunately, and just, you know, cold calling these businesses is not is not what I like to do. I personally like to sit back, and it's it's not I don't recommend it to anyone. But I like to sit back and wait for people to come to me. And if they don't then I'll just like find something to, you know, pay the bills in between. But I like I like to play by my terms, I've been very fortunate in terms of commissions and commercial work coming to me were they sort of buy into my do. So you do have commercials. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I know. Then once again, I've been very very fortunate that these these brands that have reached out to me have wanted to they want to. To do what I do like, they're very they like, I just have me, do whatever. And that's great. I think I did I did one job where they're like it. And it was like my day was like with the road lines sings it was like for a car company, and they're like this is what you're going to do. I'm like, okay. And it was very crazy experience. I was up till nine AM like talking to a guy. Germany trying to get this done. You know, that's. It's not fun. But. It's necessary. Sometimes k plus it gives you satchel of cash afterwards. It's beautiful heroes. Yeah. Have you been doing any commercial work or have people approached you? Yes. People have approached meet wreck we did an ad for Gucci. Once that was a lot of fun to do. They're really great arts advocates. They work with a lot of artists, which is really nice. Yeah. It's something I'm not close to as long as I really feel comfortable with the brand and support the brand in their in their mission on even if off a big bag cash. It hasn't hasn't happened yet. You're the ideal venue for your work. I mean, if you could just kind of fantasize a bit as to where your work would be. In this highest locale big gallery with some big white walls. Two. But I don't care what call the wolves. Did you? I don't know. That's a great question actually, the ideal venue. I mean, I'm I'm. This might sound kitschy, but I'm actually really enjoying Instagram right now. So you scaling your works accordingly. I mean, do you think about where it's going to be seen or is going to be Senate Instagram and make a difference as opposed to being relation or video on wall? Definitely. Yeah. Also, I keep the videos short for now. Because I know attention span is definitely a factor. Uh in in terms of the content. I am I am asking people questions, and they're responding wherein. Yeah. Engagement is really nice. We're in a different in a gallery context. It would be more difficult to do that. This is just me like complimenting you a bit. But like, I think your work is is so strong that it doesn't matter. If it's shown bigger small that the message is just so clear either way like I could imagine some of the meat Rick images like being printed. I don't know if you have but being printed, you know, forty by forty or larger, but and they would look amazing. But even just seeing them on my two inch screen that has a home button. They're still really powerful things. We did a couple of residencies we were with the scouring called alter space, which is now working with at all. They're really great space in San Francisco, but we did a. Show there and printed photographs in. It was it was definitely inexperienced to see them tangibly visible because we hadn't done it before then. But again, the audience is different. And the impact is different. Because of that, do you both used your own bodies for most of the work, or is it a combination of models and friends and other people and Huzzah change when is going to be your own body. Like eighty percent of the photos are myself and Nikko. It. I would say like if I'm working with, you know, a friend or a model most of most of the models really are just like now my friends because we work so often together. So we just become like good friends. It's different. Yeah. I would say that. I mean. With all due respect to the my friends and models, the work that I create like where I'm the subject, and it's not really I don't like to consider themselves. Portrait's? I mean, they are at the core a self portrait. Because it's it's me in them. But I don't like to envision it being like myself, and it just I'm using myself as a subject, I just connect more with them because I think that there's a level of physical narrative that is really important to to what I do and as hard as I try with with like the the people I work with. It's it's not always it doesn't always translate on a lot of the people. I work with are extremely talented either like art models or dancers, and they're very trained in in certain ways. Whereas I am just you know, just trying to express a certain type of. Feeling and it can in a way, it can be like very awkward, or you know, imperfect. And I think there's like a beauty in that the grand. I mean, I don't wanna be like narcissistic. But like, I just I like it better bitch and bud. Okay. You. Hear you. Many attempts. Does it take to make some of those images if you like doing a self timer or setting up through the process, you know, some images can take fifteen minutes to t at it and some can take several hours. I mean, honestly, the like the really tedious images can take a very long time on they're not I wouldn't say, they're like extremely hard digital editing feats, let's hitting them talking. Sure. Yeah. You know? What's funny is that I I didn't shoot for a long time last time. I was like when I went into the desert, the Mojave desert. Maybe I ate at some of the places that you guys were living off of. But yeah, I recently went out and shot, and I left zipper in my camera bag opens. So the remote a timer that I connect to my camera fill out, and when I got to location, I was without it. So I had to use the ten second timer and actually found that wasn't you know, besides that I had less material to work within the end. It wasn't any different than you know, when I had this remote timer to that. I would program to take you know, like one hundred images on and I wouldn't have to go back to it. So. What would imagine there's logistical concerns? Do when you're making a photograph of your type in New York where you're setting up your camera on a tripod. And then you're putting yourself in a completely ridiculous position. Where it's not like if someone walks by and just grabs it and runs you're not going to be able to just hop down. You know, how I I'm not worried about anyone stealing the camera. I need. I I always feel like more comfortable when I have someone else with me. It just it makes things just seem like more like official, and like, you know, it makes things seem safer some sometimes, you know, I may have the camera like in a place where people can't see it. And then it literally looks like there's like some weird shit going down like, you know. Seri- seriously. I've I've just like had the camera off to the side. And then I went and like lied in the road way down in the road. And you know, there were like cars, and I would have to like immediately get up. And I mean, I don't know what these people are thinking. But there's a guy, you know, in lying down on the road. Like is he trying to, you know, end himself like these are questions that the guests like they're almost like performance pieces for these random strangers. Like what is this person doing especially when they don't see the camera? I try to leave the camera as envious possible. But sometimes there's just something that that happens. And what do you think about like the standard photographic? I dunno techniques of lighting and composition. And and how much I mean. Composition clearly is pretty important. But how often do you think about that stuff? And let's say if something's underexposed overexposed, or are you gonna worry about that too much? The the thing that I think about most is just the weather. The weather is a really important factor to me, I always work with natural light. And I like to shoot on overcast days because I just like the images to have an all around like balanced them. I find that like when when this certain overcast or just like not not or the ended the day not necessarily like that golden hour. But just when you know, the light is soft, and it sort of puts the image in in environment where you can't always like place like what's going. I just it almost seems like it isn't where it should be. You know, rather like if you shoot, you know, like on a. Seventy degrees sunny day in the middle day. Like, oh, seventy degrees out and sunny, but if you shoot, you know, on like, a seventy degree in cloudy day, and you just the light is just in that place. You don't know if it's inside or outside and also, yeah. And I, you know, I'm very shameless about, you know, saying that I I do like to do photo editing. Like, I spend a lotta time in Photoshop. There's anything wrong with it. Not a traditionalist Cureton in any way. What about Canetti Lulu about like your your camera setups? And what you use and do you change for whatever project, you're working on? Or is it just whatever. With meat wreck. Derrick, I use a Nikon d eight hundred and with my own personal work. I use a camcorder, it's a Sony. Should I give the model new if you want to? What's? And and. Does that does that come into play or just use basic standard lenses? He change for we have fixed. We have as in ones and affixed ones. Yeah. We depends on the subject matter. Definitely I used to use the fifty one point for all the time. That was the only lens I used and then I ended up getting a twenty four to one zero five four L lens of a cannon. And that's like literally the only lens I used now. It's great. What is it about that? That you preferred over the fifth team just curious when I first got into photography. I was obsessed with the Boca or the K everything. Okay. Sure. And everything had to be one point for the background had to be blurred. And now, I need everything to be focused. Like, I can't have anything out of focus suit. Interesting. Major you with with meat wreck you collaborate. But do you work with other people regularly on your? Own projects. Do you have assistance to you? Or is it mostly to be you? I am opened. I am open to collaboration on. I do. Enjoy working by myself. I think I can like really I really rabbit hole when I'm working so all like record a sentiment. Audio required a sentiment, and then kind of think of the best way to convey it. So a lot of the work is just with me in the camera and sleep thinking and writing a lot and then. Yeah. Using my body using my own body because I can manipulate it in whatever way that I want you tried. Have you tried to work with a model and explain what you'd like? And you know, I. I've worked with I've worked with a couple of people on and I and I enjoyed it. But I feel like I can't I can't tell them exactly what I would. I would like them to do because it's often to it's too much. So and also I enjoy working through these things in like processing them myself. Yeah. Ideally, ideally, my body would be disposable, and I could clean it off get another one. Yeah. But I put myself in kind of precarious settings. It's like a personal challenge for me to do. Which is why I use my body. When we were getting close them. But I want to get back to a question I've asked a few times and maybe different forms, but this idea of kind of sustaining an idea from that moment of inspiration until it's done a done deal. Can you talk about that a little bit in terms of what will sustain it? I mean, if it takes days weeks, whatever I think timing is really important and. Not giving up on peace until I feel like it's the right moment to release it. So like a lot of things kind of have to come together at one in one moment. So there's one video that I did where I say. Do you like instinct gratification or would you rather earn it and? I worked on that piece for so hung, it became kind of a paradox on I am like applying lipstick onto my mouth, and as I'm saying do you like instant gratification? It goes on to my teeth. And then I eventually eat the lipstick as in. I'm earning it, I shot this piece maybe like twelve times over the course of a month. And each time I shot at something would change slightly. And then I would watch it again and think how can I make this a better version of itself? And it wasn't until like. I felt fully satisfied by where I where I'd released it on in. Yeah. I think that moment of truth and honesty, when you let go of a work is really important in that that kind of determines one. I let go of a piece would it bother you guys if somebody left at a piece that or left with a piece that you never intended to be funny. No that wouldn't bother. I would enjoy that. Okay. Any audible responses very welcomed. Yeah. I think I know your answer. But you can I think I would find it hilarious that someone found something hilarious that I didn't. Okay. We are wrapping up and they're fine show. Guys any opening shows things coming up publications. I was just invited to a residency in Copenhagen on which will be for three months. I will be living. It's next next spring summer. Let's incredible. And yeah, I'm going to be making a film. So that will be exciting like a longer film with a little girl a two year old girl three year old girl. Now who is named me tra-. It will be totally surreal. Yes. Sounds good. Yes. So if people on C, you work your websites in the Instagram. Ben, yours is you can find me at WWW. Ben, zinc dot com, or you can go on Instagram at Benzon Z A N K. Okay. And maitre. You can find me on Instagram. It's me Tra white TR a medication. Okay. One word. Okay. Okay. Good stuff. Alrighty. And also all of these addresses will be on the being podcast website and the being age Facebook group page, which is now up and running with Honey. Hundreds of members elect people joining up if you not subscribe to the beach photography podcast, head on over to apple podcast, Google, podcast, Stitcher, overcast or Spotify. 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Damien Woody on Wentz vs. Hurts, What Steelers-Bills means for the Chiefs, and the Best Defense in the League. Plus, NFL Awards.

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Damien Woody on Wentz vs. Hurts, What Steelers-Bills means for the Chiefs, and the Best Defense in the League. Plus, NFL Awards.

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And you know how i love those early morning. Mui tie kicks kyle No warm up whatsoever. And that's how i start my day. I feel awful. So but i'm excited. I'm excited to be joined by you. And i'll admit i went around and kind of listen to some of the the biggest podcast in the industry and i would think. Why does this really famous person check in with their producer all the time. But i do it with kyle. Because i feel like this is really the first time we talked so i do it with you. Even though i think critically of other podcasts that do it. So i don't know maybe i'm just an asshole. That seem backhanded. michael idea. so i'm not gonna give you anything else. No i don't mean it. That way. I mean as i don't like it when i hear other people do it yet when i'm i haven't really checked in with you at all because we don't spend a lotta time pre show. There's no pre show. I'm ready to go. I've prepped. So i don't i way to go. Yeah fresh off the squad We didn't realize that we would have time had move the car around here at the The compound australian colin cowherd yeah colin cowherd invited me over last night so it was funny. Because i was like hey man. It's a school night. Like gotta get outta here. And he was like oh. That's that's too bad because he he wanted to treat it like it was spring break. Guys always know he's a he's a. He's oh vodka guy and that's how it stays stays stuff's felt. Yeah that's why so skinny and it's great because this house is obviously amazing and there's a bunch of people walk the neighborhood as i pulled up and he was standing there waiting for me just to make sure he knew what it was and I was like oh. I thought this would be nicer. And a couple of people. Walking their dog started laughing. Everyone thought it was hilarious. I really delivered on that line. I feel good about myself. And then the weird thing is i didn't bring a mask Because i was just going to his house on by myself. So i don't feel like i'm putting anyone else at risk although cowards all over the place i'm just kidding But after that was going to pick up some food because it was late. Now's gonna watch the second half. Was that late. But i was gonna watch the second half bill steelers because i brush first half left at halftime because i have to write out all the stuff for your enjoyment and housing man. I didn't bring him asking the car. And now i actually can't get takeout so the lesson make sure you keep a mask in the car. So i don't know if that was good or not. Would woody is gonna join us live advice but we start as always the awards the first award this week is the your father playing video games award and that's gonna go to. La chargers head coach. Anthony lynn those of you. That play video games. Maybe your home especially now around the holidays. Your dad's okay. Let me try that out. You know like no that it's wrong but you gotta hit this button. I'm hitting that you're not though yup now. I know you think you are but you're not you keep calling timeouts yes. The wrong button was a controller. That it's not. It's definitely not the controller when he dropped back to pass and you hit this button that passes to that guy with that. Little number had that that that symbol. Well i'm hitting the right button. You're not you've called three timeouts on this possession so interesting how frustrating that is to watch anybody else. Play video games. It's maybe training a little bit older We play yesterday in. The chargers falcons game by the way. The chargers won this game against atlanta. Which is the scariest thing of all the reaction and that is this. Play down seventeen ten right before the end of the first half. The clock is stopped at twenty. Two seconds it's third and one and the charges run it up the middle. I actually thought the running back got it for the first down to the idea was maybe they could then spike it. Stop the clock. I down to be second down. Obviously with seventeen maybe fifteen seconds left. Maybe get two shots the end zone and they kicked the field goal they end up spotting them shore charges have no timeouts left and so the play actually stops around seventeen eighteen seconds on the game clock but nobody knows what to do. Are we throwing it for the end zone. Obviously we can't spike it. We've seen that happened a few times in college football this year. No one knows what's going on. The offense actually goes to line up as the clock is ticking. They probably could have ran. That play like i said but then you're like what what's going on so about six seven seconds left. The field goal team comes on while the offense is still out there. The kicker actually get the kickoff but it was after it didn't matter because it was a legal procedure there was just a bunch of people out there and nobody knew what the hell was going on and anthony lens yelling at his co. See basically saying like. Why did we run the football. And it's just a mess and the problem is is if you're charges fan. I'm it's almost like historic with this franchise which doesn't make any sense it. You shouldn't have a franchise just doomed historically on special teams considering the kind of player and coaching turnover. Like there's just no way. I remember as i've pointed out over the years it was like oh seven away to nine ten whatever. There was about a two or three years stretcher. I thought the charges had the most talented roster. You look at their efficiency and offense. Be great look officially defensible. Look good. They are defense. Look at all these talented players all over the place all these guys up front and they would be like nine and seven and not doing and you go oh special teams as terrible. Special teams is even worse. Now let's look at linz resume as you're trying to figure out what the hell is going on everybody in the internet's freaking out on the chargers nine seven twelve and four. I got to admit i forgot. They went twelve and four now. They beat lamar who was really bad in that ravens playoff game and then became the mvp. They got smoked by the patriots down. Thirty at seven in that game all right. They went five and eleven last year. Four nine now. But they're four wins. Cincinnati jacksonville the jets in atlanta atlanta's. Probably a better team like tougher team to play week in week out and the record like some of these teams have offer records ego. Whatever i think atlanta's always a little bit better Just because matt ryan but those aren't form oppressive wins We also know that this is even worse for lynn. Is there the i team. Nfl history to blow leads of at least sixteen points and four straight games. No one's ever done that. That's what they did beginning this year. They're special teams is last in a lot of defensive metrics depending on what look at it again. It's not just defensive. Metrics it's special teams metrics. They are so bad that they're almost twice as bad based on the math that i was looking at this morning. Then the next worst team special teams. And that's the minnesota. Vikings like their gap between thirty. One and thirty two is large enough to cover for the the the disparity between like ten teams. That are ranked. They're so bad. Okay verse new england last week when they got absolutely smoked against the pats team. That actually can't move. The football in doesn't have a great defense pitches. Defenses actually statistically pretty bad the pats lined up for five punts. The chargers had the wrong number players on three of those five points twice. They didn't have enough men on the field. One time they had too many okay and they gave up a penalty patriots. First down patriots are up or just on special teams and screw ups by The chargers they gave up a huge return. They gave a touchdown they missed two field goals. They had one. That was blocked. For a touchdown mike sando said in his pick six piece which i love and i have another quote coming from Here a little bit later from the athletic that it was the worst special teams game that you could track in the last twenty years so they started tracking this stuff for the last twenty years. There's no game there's no single game. A team has been any worse on special teams than the chargers were against the pats and that leads us to this like his anthony. Lynn just this bad at it. Because whenever i think of bad coaching i defer to either be people or people who really know what's going on players that played against or played for someone. I think a lot of us are guilty of team is playing. Well the coach tanks play calling. I'm just not a hey. This guy's playcalling suck sky unless it's painfully obvious. But this was such an obvious. This is different than protection. This is different than game planning. I don't really like when coaches at lose. Go got out coach. Tell me why they're never going to say they give us the cliche. We're like okay. He took blame okay. He's cool now because if you don't say that then something's wrong with you. We asked these guys to say these boring things over and over and over again as if it check some box that we know that they're accountable when they're usually just saying it to say it In this case all of us are watching that play going. What is wrong with this team. And of lynn is out. This is the kind of thing that you're gonna go ahead and point to. Everybody seems like anthony lynn. I don't know how many remember you know. Being on those broncos teams that won super bowl years ago he's had an incredible story You know you hit by a car. The in and they you know he was. He was rescued. I mean there's all sorts of stuff and then even watch him and harness show like i kind of liked this guy but like any industry and i don't even saying this is lynn but i would say my industry and it's not specific times at espn. It's not specific to other times that i've worked for for television stations. Radio stations I would say it's even the case with agents stuff with hollywood studios you know maybe in your industry depending on what is the special industry stuff where you go. It's really hard to get these jobs. And it's even harder to get to the top. There are just a lot of times if you're gonna go. I can't believe this guy. has this job. Like i can't believe and it happens. Mean there are times. You'll talk to somebody who you know for living evaluates players and you go what the hell is going on. This person thinks this know in such as a difference of opinion on player. And i'm not even saying who that that that that's really anthony lynn. But it's just so much worse when you watch something like that and they won this game but no one's gonna care because if he loses his job that's going to be the play attached to his coaching resume. The next award is the jeff van gundy award and that goes the kansas city chiefs. Jeff van gundy award. Just we all understand. We're on the same page huge. This is a huge jeff van. Gundy podcast i'm just a big fan of him Because i think he's the best analyst in basketball and. I don't think it's close. That's my rule whenever say somebody or somebody says eight. I don't think it's close. It's actually really close debatable. So i should just say something else. I don't anything you know. Look thank god. He's the best. He is not going to debate it with you all right now in van gundy was calling games in the warriors are putting together this run they had to rant and it was nuts. He had said a bunch of versions of the same quo One of the courts was the warriors gonna win forever. If everything stays the same season is over And you know how it's gonna play outdoors gonna win. And then they're going to win the next year. It's going to be the same thing. The reason i give this to the chiefs and i'm not the first person to make the chiefs warriors Comp here at all because it's just it's just been out there. I don't know the first person wants to do it. so i'm not taking credit for it but it feels that way in a hammered home last night watching the bills in steelers where i go. I'm supposed to like one of these teams to beat the chiefs now. The bills run and their win. I mean they basically had shut out. The steelers had the fumble to play drive touchdown for pittsburgh they were twenty three straight. And then you know the end of very the very end of the third quarter. Steelers get the touchdown. But they've kind of shut him out for almost three quarters of football other than the short field turnover and the bills for all the josh allen. Love which is well deserved. Because he's really carrying this team and i. I wonder how many people will kind of reference. And i always gonna argue that. Not as many guys watch as much as you think so. If you watch just last night you're thinking steelers come in and it at bills defense there you go. It's just cold sometimes a really stupid about it. If it's a cold weather city we'll be like oh man there's just grit it. Just grinded out. You're gonna hit you right in the mouth. Yeah their defense is average. Actually defense is really good last year. Bills defense this year's middle of the pack the rushing attack not that great They're like twenty third in rushing depending on some of the numbers that you wanna look at. This is almost all josh allen. Stefan digs. it's been incredible for him. I like some players. Some of their personnel on defense but last night was not the nor they're usually not that salty defensively and off pittsburgh. Because i don't think it's fair to sit here with pittsburgh and go. Hey they suck down because they lost to washington and buffalo I'm not gonna do that with them. And i also want to point out when i was kind of dumping on washington defensively just wrong about that. I was basically looking at the schedule. Which is fair. And then when you're bad team and you're always losing that people don't have to throw it against you as much but the front the personnel. What they've been doing on defense red zone right now is the number. One in touchdown percentage coming into this weekend. By the way you aren't whose last the kansas city chiefs they have the worst touchdown percentage allowed of any team in the nfl. But i put all these things together. And i get back to the van. Gundy point. I don't like doing this because there's a reason why we keep coming back to sports because as much as we are going to think something is going to happen. We are constantly surprised. That's the whole point is that we think we know and then we rarely do no and van gundy said that about the warriors as much as i love that roster and love it. They're capable of your like look. It's just sports not gonna win seven titles in a row and they didn't. You can make an argument. That feels like the words. You're maybe one championship shy of what they should have. Maybe specifically two thousand sixteen and with football. It's a one and done scenario so it just seems ridiculous to think that the chiefs are going to win. Five straight super bowls. If it were for offsides on four we could be talking about back to back and position really well now with the one seed to to do this again and is anyone in the. Nfc scare you. That's kind of what i get back to. Buffalo is great. As josh allen thing is this year you think they're going to keep pace with the chiefs you think the steelers can keep pace with them with that offense in some of their issues and i'm not dumping on the steelers still a team. They're probably gonna win a playoff game. But i've never seen. I've never seen a team like the chiefs. Have that big of a margin. For i don't i was trying to think even those patriots teams. The early brady ones were about defense later ones were about brady and some of those defenses weren't as good. They were really good defensively when they beat the rams they turn things around but they had some runs their defense was being carried by brady and the chiefs like they had four turnovers net miami game and it still was like all right enough for you guys like we're just gonna put up numbers here. I mean again. The picks from homes. The third one was an insane. Play by miami. The first who were tip balls maybe not the most accurate thing so yeah. The warriors can't make sense they can come back in a way that we've never seen other teams come back. You feel helpless against them. You should be jealous of their fan base because they get to watch mahomes play like this. But i'm probably gonna pick the chiefs for five straight years knowing that every quarterback if you do it for fifteen years you've probably have one year that's lost to injury so that could happen but that's not really analysis. A of mahomes stays healthy. They have a chance shit But their number one point differential again this year they were number four last year. By the way i was gonna point. Differential baltimore was number one last year. They were fifty four points. Better than number. Two new england and it was almost like eighty points better than number three. Their point differential was insane. It was like two fifty for the season chiefs again with a full season mahomes eighteen. They were number two point differential. They have. I believe the greatest margin of error for any football team. I've ever watched the abe lock award. That goes to everyone on. The jalen hurts topic. I'm gonna include myself. Although i didn't make it the ad and make it the lead today for those that want to know how the industry works. This isn't really that inciteful. Actually a block makes a ton of sense. The as are the things you would lead to show with every show. I watch today. Lead with jalen hurts and they should because every show had led with carson wentz for the longest time where it was basically nauseating and when. We had chris long pot every monday last year. I know a lot of you would be like l. log sticking up for his guy wins but i think there were arguments made that wentz was doing it on his own. The number of offensive options. He had towards the end of the year with all their injuries. And some of the guys who are just calling off the street and then a houston quarterback plan receiver. And you're like what is he doing. And they actually ran off a bunch of wins and got to the playoffs and then once got hurt in the game against seattle and good friend of the pod. Josh mccown came. Shout josh so coming into this year you thought all right full season healthier you know. Maybe some upgrades here there. Although i don't know that any of us still in love with their their weapons it was like what's going and wentz's even worse so some of the numbers that you can make excuses for last year it was hard to continue to keep making those excuses and it fell apart. So jalen hurts comes in and they beat the best team in the nfc and the saints. Seventeen nothing on them. It's arguably the best defense in the league. And i'm not the biggest tayshiaaa hill guy. That's well documented but at one point felt like this game was completely turn around and hurts. Runs for over one hundred. He made a ton of great running. Plays on first down and here. We are an show lead with this in. Its you gotta pick aside right now. jalen or carson wentz and there's all sorts of elements to this argument. I was gonna call. Tim tibo word because it was gonna become obsessive on talk. Shows will ever touch the tibo levels. That was i think one of the most annoying topics probably of my career. So i don't even want to do that jalen because i actually think jalen has a better chance than tibo. Even though i've watched all jaylen college throws and at alabama he was one. Read not there and run. It was never arm strength. That was never his physical. He's a really strong kid. Sick athlete hard worker. His demeanor through everything that went on with bama he was in credible and then he goes oklahoma. Start shopping around a little bit more. But i just wasn't sure. And i'm still not sure From sandoz piece today he talked to an offensive. Nfl coach he said quote from what i saw very easy. Stop that kit. The saints just weren't ready for some of the stuff they did and he had some good runs yet. Had a couple of wild throws to the next defense will have a plan for. It'll be much harder on him. Maybe and maybe that's an evaluator who wasn't hiring hurts and then looks success and wants to diminish. It might be a little guilty. That but i also know that i probably watched more jalen than other people have. So maybe he's turned this thing around. Maybe he's exactly what the eagles need. Maybe he's a guy that brings something that's not super easy for us to quantify. But you know what he is. He's better than wince right now. I don't i doubt wentz is done with that contract. It's always kind of weird to go. Wait is this guy just done done because whence if we go back to the timeline two thousand seventeen over a million times looks like he was going to win the mvp. He gets hurt but then falls ends up winning the super bowl. Did that mess up wentz. Psychologically they move on from foles which made sense. Full paid a ton of money to leave Wentz has two thousand eighteen. Then two thousand nineteen and now. We're in two thousand twenty some of the opinions that i've had or i guess. Say the one epiphany with wentz. Was i just realized like all of these people that i trust that are talking about wentz love with the throws it. He's capable of but they're not really paying attention to his management of a game. He's still doing a lot of stupid stuff. And it got worse and worse and worse so yes there might not be anyone else that can make some of the physical throws that he makes. Stop being blind by that to what he's doing in the course of of every single possession and some of the risk cities taking and he's getting worse in some some of the people that really would stuck their necks out there for wentz started saying well you know mentally too. How fools win a super bowl. And i don't know that i'm not going to sit there. And and try to figure out where his head is at right now and then They drafted jalen hurts. That messed him up. I hate now. I'm not saying it's never happened. But don't argue exceptions. of course. i'm sure. There's some guy based on situation. And the way the franchise didn't believe in him led to his successor failures. But i'd have to my point would be this if you're going to be really good then. It doesn't matter you're just could you just imagine. Digging like hey. I'm going to have a great year. Oh my god. They drafted quarterback larry. I'm just mentally misplaced. Doesn't believe me. Now i'm shot. I'm not saying it's impossible. But i don't like it as the deciding factor. What he hasn't been as good this year. So i don't know what's going to happen. We went that contract. Seems like the key sixty million dollar dead cap hit. I imagine whence gets another shot here with the eagles. The hurt story is nice but it is a game and i need to see a little bit more before. 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I just think the office just flow so much better I think when you look at what the philadelphia eagles did first of all they were committed to the right. I mean they ran the ball right. You know right down the saint strokes and that's not easy to do saints is probably you know their defense coming to the game. Probably the best defense in the national football league and ages ran the ball all over the place and a lot of the head to do. Jalen hurts his ability to move around with. This design runs so just making making moves. Outside of pocket went when things are breaking down. So i just felt like there was a confidence whether it was the play calling. Doug peterson or just two guys on the field where they didn't necessarily respond that way with crossing wentz. Sometimes they hadn't won a new guy comes in brings a sparked offense. I can't believe that whence his shot though and it was awful this year. I mean statistically the worst guy that was playing regularly last year. I think the excuses for him were valid and they put together some wins. You know it's not been a great division now for a little while but are you even the point. I as bad as it's been. I can't accept it now. He just sucks forever and you couldn't even trade him 'cause like where are you with him in his future. No i'm not off the bandwagon right there. I just honestly feel like hot. It is when frank right left to go to be the head coach at indianapolis colts. I think that really hurting. I think hurt their whole eagles team particularly on offense. Because you know frank right was. It wasn't a quarterback room and when you're dealing specifically with that room those guys you know what's going with quarterback most of the any other person on the team so i think philadelphia eagles are really missing. Frank right missing. What he brought to the table to that offense as release the cost of wins and they need to figure this out. Because why you notice as much as i do the financial aspect of all us ways just as much as what you do on the field. They can't part ways with him because the financial ramifications. You're right. I mean it would be a monumental hit on how you'd be able to build out the rest of your roster In the nba even with all the financial stuff. I always feel like you can figure out a way. I mean the the numbers everything just worst differently. It's a little bit more straightforward in the nba. But i'd have to think did everyone is still looking at seventeen in the close of nineteen and even some of the times he saw an eighteen year. Like okay whatever's going on with him and he was that bat like i'm not making excuses for him this year. I'm never get eric mangini. This is a little sidebar by when we used to be at espn and we bring them in. And i liked him. I didn't like him when i didn't know him. And once i got to like him. Manzini was like one of my favorite dudes and man. Jeannie would always say whenever you're a team without a quarterback and you're going over the market and seeing who's available the person that at least has done it like as done it for a season. Like matt cassel type. You go okay. At least. there's something. I can hold out hope for in that. This person has done it. And if you're philly that's what you're talking yourself into. Even if the evidence of this year was as bad as it was absolutely i absolutely because every time we talk about carson wentz. We always go back to believe way what seventeen eighteen when he he was like the league. Mvp yeah always every time we talk about carson wentz. We always reference that season because every like debt memory that we have of that player is as in. Everybody's mind so everyone is thinking. Wait a minute yes. He's been sticking up the joy. That player is still in there. Somewhere we just got harnessed and get a in somehow rehabilitate him and get him back to that. Four were you with jeanie or you cashing checks with the line. That was hound or that was her. Yeah so was Mangini robinson york. That's right it's your good again. Yeah yeah and obviously you know. I was with man genia of a new england so i mean we still to this day. What what's it. Because i'm going to bring this into the anthony lynn thing. I imagine you've had moments like you and the guys on the team. Like what the fuck are we doing is that is that the detroit years for you. You have an example of like you know. These guys are professional. They had to have known something to get to this position. And i'm not even early anthony lynn. Because it's pretty clear with his co. see you're like what are we doing wrong here. The special teams thing has been a disaster. But what's that moment like. When guys in the team the leaders are going. Wait our guys just terrible at this. Let me let me let me preface. Let me let me say this i. I am so glad that. I started my career off in new england because it really laid a foundation. I've got the best coaching that a person could ever get an and us any player. Will you had good coaching bag. Coaching is ten times worse by ucla. Like that so. When i went to the choice it was immediate unlike stock. I'm getting paid but boy this is going to be discontent long haul. It's going to be brutal. Do they had first of all matt miller who was a gym at a job. He was asking me questions about personnel. What wasn't what new england do. And i'm thinking. Wait a minute if you do all this. You're not going to get paid as a general manager to not just as a player and then like we didn't we didn't practise situations we. Hey guys that were miss practice. Because they were out of strip clubs like it was so chaotic man. I'm like this is why bad teams perennially bad white seriously. It is wait. Wait wait up back up strip clubs like what what was going on guys just calling in sick not making it to work the next day because they were even show like gonna be missing white practice because they were out like clubs and strip clubs and stuff like that man man. It was so crazy. Like and i'm sitting back thinking. How is this even going on in the national football league. Gaza just not showing up this crazy but people would know like how do you get away angling. How do you get away with that though. Like how can you like some guys. If you're in a cube you could probably stay out too late. Call and sammy start doing it. All the time people are going to catch on the you could do that with lions people had to have known right. Yeah but the but the problem is like when you're a good player. What are they going to do. What are they gonna do like when you're a good player and you have a big contract. There's no they're not gonna cut you like there's nothing they can do but fine new charlie. Shame you a little bit. But that's about it. I'm looking at this roster right now trying to figure out who it was. I'm going to guess joey harrington but don't confirm it they'll say don't say anything added sam. Yeah harrington was such a such a renegade outlook. You're you're right there are times. I'm blown away here a story. I'm gonna be as vague as i possibly can be about this but there was a guy good player on a team. So there you go. I guy guy i knew was like they sent me to go get him because they knew he was cool with me and he hadn't been playing for a couple of weeks he was hurt. He's like i show up to his house. This hidden his boys were absolutely getting after it yet. He's like look. We got a game tonight. He's like they want. They sent me to come get you. They want they want. They want me note like do you wanna play. He goes who do we got tonight. I said the name of the team and he was like oh shit mcgrady. He's like nah luck. That i'll play. I'll see you guys thursday. He was just like i'm out of it. I'm playing much like a naga deal mcgrady's like now we're good. He's like. I'll tell those guys those guys will see him and it happened and it and it blows our mind because you think like no way no way. Yeah like i tell people all the time like the stories that i could tell like you. Wouldn't you probably wouldn't believe it. But it's absolutely true. Like these type of things i Buffalo and pittsburgh. That was the marquee match up. I think that's what we were all really. There's a couple of games that won't want to get you hear this buffalo like that was a great defensive performance from them. Do you come out of that game thinking either. These teams are at the chiefs level before before the game. I said the only team in the afc in my opinion that that That could really get at chase where the buffalo bills. I felt like buffalo. They have far powell. Judge josh allen has been just been phenomenal this year do so much inside the pocket outside the pocket. They got weapons on the outside. That can beat you. A lot of different ways and davis is getting better. You know that you know. In past years there has been like talk to top three. They took a little bit of step back this year. But it's starting to kind of get their footing if they continue to do that. Defensively what the offense they can they can beat the chiefs. they can beat the chiefs. No question i guess. I'm just look. Ken and will are tutoring the. I understand that you're saying kenya. But do you ever see a weakness with chiefs. Do you look at something and say okay. That's something you could exploit. It is so hard man like like the chiefs. Were down ten. And they didn't even against the miami dolphins they didn't even better in a name. It wasn't even a problem at all. They're nelson games. Like oh my god. The chiefs down to the miami dolphins and the chiefs. Okay watch this and they just all of a sudden in a blink of an hour was like up twenty four ten or something like that. That's the thing about the cheeses. They are so explosive across the board. Pick poison who will you take away. They got four or five guys. Outside the quarterback that can beat your integrated sunday. It's just really hard to contain that team and for me in my money is the chiefs against the field every week. I don't care who it is. Do you have problems with the steelers. Because a lot of people even when their undefeated we're looking at it saying hey it's a limited passing game although rosberg put up two touchdowns love the receiving corps but rothlisburger was just going to do things in a way that got the ball out quicker so look it was. All working team was undefeated. We liked that. I liked the defense but they can't run the football. They're in pads all week by the way an aside before. It's that is being in pads. Does it actually make tougher. I know what you're gonna say. The early and like always as a necessary evil like training camp get is a training camp but yes a necessary. evil This time of year doesn't make tough. Why at this. Time of year is a battle attrition. Who's who who do. You have no body to get across the finish line so you got gotta measure getting impasse over health. I won't. I won't guys who are fresh to get gain day that to me is the most important thing. The hell with the pads. Get me to game day. That's that's that's what should be the most important thing. Okay all right so pittsburgh. I don't like when people by. That's a flaw. It's flaw but he's a fatal flaw. Do you think their lack of running and some of the physical stuff that tom was talking about. Is that fatal for them in the playoffs. I don't think i think they're a. They're out of whack offensively. They don't have any similar balanced. And then when you will you get to this time of year cold weather you know if you look at the teams that are at the top of the afc pretty much. Almost all of our cold weather places gonna able to run the ball. You know i know. We're all enamored with the quarterbacks and throwing it all over the place but some things are tried and true you gotta be able to play some defense and you gotta be able to run the ball. Pittsburgh doesn't run the ball. And they i think they substituted by twenty short passes with ben roethlisberger. And it's just not that's just not gonna cut. It did not explode. They're not explosive enough. You know in the past man to keep up with occasion as city or buffalo So to me. That's where i think. That's the flaw in in pittsburgh game. Yeah their last or second to last in yards per carry second-to-last yards per game but I'm not. I feel like because they've had now. Two losses is going into people. Were totally off of them. And it's like okay. Is it a fatal flaw. Good or we'd still comparing everyone of the chiefs which is a problem for any of these teams that were looking at tampa bay box. Get win where that was a tough win. It looked like minnesota's gonna start running the football on them. Minnesota's had moments here. They turned the season around. There were five hundred coming in but once things sorta clicked for tampa. It felt like you were to completely different teams. And the fact that dan bailey. I don't know if that's what's the mattis. You've ever been at a kicker. Have you ever worn. A kicker clue nova kicker He missed i own my career. I've had some away with some really good kickers whether they was adamant a terry play. Sky has a scott hanson Into no jason hansen with detroit. Who play for forever nick folk. I play with What's his name will. Cbs feely j. Feeley i've played with some good kickers. I didn't have any reason to cuss. Anybody out as far as kids are concerned. But damn if you miss four kicks in a game off We might have become seeing you like you like. We might have to come seeing you in the locker room. Because could you imagine bussing. You're behind the whole game. Kick missed four field goals four. That's crazy now. That's a problem all right. Have you seen enough for tampa that you can. You can look at them. Look you're like wait. They're seven and five like wait. I know they've got smoked in some of these marquis games that i've been over so it almost feels even worse but i still feel like that record. I'm like man i just. I expect more from them. It's not even just on brady. I liked the personnel on defense. Obviously i love some of the personnel on offense as well but they're just been moments. Where did they had just these awful games and even with the mix the miss kicks. I really liked what i saw from them yesterday. Yeah listen i think early on Ready didn't look good early on there. Were a couple of plays. He missed wide open. Gronk he missed a wide-open on chris. Godwin the bozos plays could potentially been touchdowns I think they're still struggling with identity on offense. I mean that's a big part of it. I don't i i don't know what they want to be offensively adding to me. That's the problem with tampa bay. You need to have some type of identity at this time of year. They don't have that they have a lot of names. Lot of marquee names officially who they are When you talk about identity office. I think that could come back to bite him. Is it not being able of like what are you talking about. Are you talked here. Identity thrown around. And i know you have something specific. But i'm asking for you to share that that it's more specific as it way. What's your thing that i'm afraid of on third down. Like what exactly do you mean. Yeah so for me. I look at it as when i say identity things that i know i can hang my hat on some teams running teams some teams play action themes stump teams short. Quick you know quick passing game type of teams. I don't know what's happening. Is they like to chuck d you know. Sometimes they'll you know they try to run it sometimes of try to quick passing game but i don't know if they do any of it. Well what you can look at and say okay. Come on no with temporary team is i. just don't. I don't see that when i watched them. It's kind of funny. How when brady gets upset. And it was a couple of weeks ago and that saints loss where he was getting upset with evans on like a hot route and he was. It was actually more composed during that one. But what's that experience like. Because i mean there's it was a long time ago with you brady. And he's probably a little different now than he was back then. But what's that like like what. What's a teammate willing. To allow happen on the sideline when they know it. Somebody that's heated. I'd imagine twenty years of brady like he's got a little bit of leeway here with the resume. But i think some people look at that and they can with the with the way we talk about things in today's age it almost feels like people like oh man. I can't believe he's going after these guys this way really that big of a deal or maybe sometimes it's just process differently depending on who the guy is and that's what leads to some of the questions about it. Yeah i think that's most players. They don't really have a problem with the quarterback. You know you kind of have locus vinegar about like brady. Does i mean i'm pretty. Sure the guys on in tampa. Look tom like and say. Look this guy not super bowls one. Six like scott works. Works really hard as crap. It means a lot to him so he he's forty three. We need to step our game up because he can't do it all on his own. This isn't that tom you know thirty year. Old time. thirty five zero tom. This is forty three year old so as much as l. competitor daddy is. He can't carry a team. He needs guys around him to do that and So i don't think guys really get frustrated. Tom goes berserk. I don't see that you brought up a really good point. The the attrition of football and al pointed out all the time like you know team could be three different versions themselves. Just based on who's available to play throughout the entire season so some of the stats now built up over week fourteen. You may not look as good defensively but it could be a really bad team. In the first month that could be scheduled could be a bunch of different things so forget statistics you watch sunday. Who do you think has the best defensive group right now in the league. I still say the saints. I mean i think. I think also what they did against philadelphia i think the saints are legit or all three levels. Why not many teams can say we got some playmakers on all three levels of their defense the saints have that they got guys that can cover man to man zone. They got linebackers. That can run it cupboard. And they got past on defense alliance. Oh outside of what. The what the saints did against the philadelphia eagles. I'm still going with the saints in the best best defense in the league. Do you have a favorite offensive. Lineman all got to. I got to. I love watching quintanilla. Nelson big q. Is always. He's he's a show every week and then And now like watching the rookie. Mccaw becton jets he. Yeah he is We're from the same area back in virginia and He's just fun to watch man he guys that big should be able to move like that and he's he's like a highlight reel type of guy playing on office a lot and so i would say those two guys you root for the jets more than any other team correct because i just said about them i know i know it's not the lions like the pats a little bit but you get worked up about the jets every sunday. Yeah we'll see with the pets like don't worry about the pets. They're in good shape like they got. Great management great cokes. They're in good shape. They're in good hands with the debts. Is like okay when i was there. We were really good and then all they just been awful for decade and it's just frustrating. Because you look at the moves that they've been making drop a years and it's just like what are you guys doing like i can give you better than better advice. Whoever's telling you what you know what to do right now and it's just bad is bad when you you play on organization and i like a lot of people within the organization but they just can't get out of their own way that's and that's the frustrating thing. Well oh it's almost over is all. I can tell you as a jets fan. It's almost over well. We'll say this. I think they got the right. General manager in place joe douglas. I'm a big fan of job douglas. I think he's he's turning the ship around also. I will say that. I agree with you and anybody that like just attached him to all the other failures. 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I drive a ferrari. Three fifty five cabriolet. What's up. i have a ridiculous house in the south fork. I have every toy you can possibly imagine and best of all kids. I am liquid so now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required life. Advice are at djamil dot com. I think i'm gonna read a couple of follow ups because We had a couple followups. And i i don't normally wanna turn this into like a reddit thread of let's just chime in and all this stuff but one guy was really fascinated about the the female who wrote in about the guy who had the trenchcoat. Nobody likes and he goes. You know you left out a really important part that that guy should be thrilled that they broke up considering she was that mad about a trenchcoat which i thought was interesting but that's not really advice so i'm giving you a shout out sort of Then another one this one. I gotta be honest. Econ annoyed me a little bit I'll leave the name out. 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Look got doesn't get it if that's what we're going to do in lights like a magin if i said You know dote day construction guys. I know one he killed a guy you know like we can all find a way to make anything any scenario like no no. No i heard a story about a guy or i knew a guy that did like we can all do that again to make it more seriously. He was saying that during this time the military's even more stressed out because the cobra analyst. Hey man not. there's never been a moment. I haven't had all the respect in the world for the guys that actually go out there and do something especially guys deployed facing real shit and putting themselves out there all right so For anyone that felt that the reason. I bring that up. Because i know there's a lot of military that do listen to this I just following up so that people kinda understand. And i you know i didn't really love that email is if like oh i have a horrible story about a guy in the air force you know like oh okay the kay i gotta get some landscapers around here. I don't know read the story about a landscaper in texas. I won't think twice right. Let's get to the advice parts. All right younger brother some advice. My younger brother late thirties. He's in his mid thirties. He's in the trades master. Electricity uh-huh homeowner. He's pretty stressed about no wife. No kids having never had trouble meeting girls. But he's frustrated. Frankly angry and bitter will. I'm sure he's a just a charmer to date than i. He gets angry bitter when the relationship doesn't go further than three months. I figured you'd eventually calmed down. Changes seen figure it out but it hasn't happened. My approach was to be positive. Not give specific advice. Just like thoughts and occasional reality He's basically saying his brother would be like. Hey you told me that. This girl wasn't perfect for thirty minutes. No one is wise. That a deal breaker really. I love this line. My wife is impressed at how he does have a high opinion. A lot of us. I don't know. I don't know how that works really. That's that's not my hang up. I don't i don't like oh this person's imperfect just kind of i have a lot going on and i guess getting more comfortable being by myself but that's That's not today's podcast. I kinda love that we should. We don't we should just go. Hey this is what you do. This is your living. This is your current situation these your future prospects and you're probably mid level salary guy. You're not a sky like mid level or maybe you're too with a team option. You know a be realistic. I love. I have a couple of friends that have done it where they just go. Yeah you it was the best i could do. We get along skew. her. Dad don't mom want to have kids think she'll be a good mother. They don't have any money she's not really gonna work. But that's okay too. It shouldn't just be about money. Should just be about your partner's career but if we were really really being honest about all of these things that we never we just. It's not nice to be honest about these. Yeah this is probably probably the best that you'll do so if your brother is thinking that he's gonna start dating women from brazil that covers soccer. That's probably not going to happen. Although i don't even know if interest all right so he said that his mom in the sister are pretty manipulative. So that's tahina brother really use people for their own satisfaction. Do some stink stinging sense there. It was hard for me to come to realize this. Lots of talking in soul-searching shot up to you both my brother. I have cut our sister out of our lives. Ouch but my mom is really involved in his life. Mom decided when i got married had kids. I wasn't much use to her so she dropped me more than i push though so she dropped me then equifax are. Our mom is involved with my brother. And i think she's intentionally sabotages relationships the most dramatic story as she brought him. Oh she bought him a membership to a dating site last year. He is in computer guy so he asked To set up his account. I did the my mom started helping him check his account so she started setting up dates so he went on to i eight and this girl was expecting him to be my mom and he was expecting her to be whatever. My mom told her about. Impressions are that's a little bit misleading. Sure she didn't say like hey. I'm a fifty year old woman. Let's meet up for coffee. She she was basically expecting the personality to be the mom's personality with the brother. You follow me kyle. Because this is. I got a little seems like there's some emotional pains from the actually. Yeah i think the writer is is on point. I think he's pointing a lot of stuff. You're basically saying the mama setting it up and she's talking to the girl and the guy shows up with a different personality. Then i'm this is what i'm assuming here. The mom who was doing this is fucking really weird by the way all right He said the date was a disaster and then he asked me to close the account. I did the question. Should i talk to my brother about my mom. Should i leave it alone. Trust figure it out. All right. I i used to When i was younger i would introduce who i was dating to my mother and then i stopped because my mother would like immediately become best friends. One time. There was a girl that i was dating and then we broke up and then i don't know a year later dating. Somebody and i wanted to bring her back to martha's vineyard for a weekend in the summer which makes a lot of sense like one of the cool things about dating somebody from others like. Hey do we ever get to go there and visit Not that i would really ever wanna stay at my family's house with my girlfriend but my mother let my ex move in kit guys. Yeah you guys don't think this is remotely fucked up like oh whatever. Not a big deal. She needed help. We all get along with their your sisters. Get along with her. He's like that's cool. You can meet up for lunch. So i would come home and then the girl i was dating. I can't come back with you this weekend. And i'd be like well actually can't because it's super awkward. My ex lives there and them mom mom or dad. You know. it's not like dads aren't guilty of getting evolve somehow. But it's just it's not. It wasn't cool. Who's totally. And then i would try to say like. Hey i can't believe you guys didn't okay this with me or the she needed. And then i'd ask my aspect. Why are you doing this like reynaud fucking apartment and then you know i knew she was trying to stay in the mix. Come on kid who could so moms being involved historically has not worked out scholars have argued this for centuries the easiest unless you're some sort of dowry You know we're we're past that we're not trying to join tribes and castles here. So i don't know why be hard for you to talk to your brother about this like why can't you just go. Hey dude moms sucks with this stuff done and by the way tell him to chill the fuck out because if he's not going to be angry and bitter that after three months it's not on family. This is one of those deals. I know exactly what's happened his not to go all crystals on you here but his vibe his energy women pick up on this stuff way better than men do if he's doing a mental countdown of impatience about wanting to be in that relationship. That's now the next chapter of his life. He wants it so the chances are like wanting really bad like that. It doesn't work careers pursuing. Sometimes things happen when you least expect it but it makes sense more with a career but in relationships. If you're like dude. I just want to be married and have kids. Like you're gonna come off as psycho without even maybe even realize so. I would tell him to try to dial that back and lot of times in life again when you just sort of relax okay cool matt. We'll figure it out and also you guys collectively needed stop getting so stressed out about the pandemic impacting your dating life. Like no no kidding. It's it's a lot harder now. I'm sorry. I'm i'm sorry. I'm sorry that you're alone. Or i'm sorry that it sucks. Sorry you can't go to bars. And you know what i mean like but you guys just got to suck it up you do not just. I just took your thirty miles on that one. Top dating during cova. No shit you know where. Why are you even trying. Yeah i mean you know rent more movies. I don't know what to tell you. It's hard so yeah i don't. I don't think there's a. I mean i spent way too long on that as always but yet mom part. There's no there's nothing about this. Roy went yeah. Good plan. That checks out good stuff. They're telling to one eighty this thing. Expect nothing be stressed about nothing and leave the mom out of it longtime listener. First time writer. This is about my brother will call him andy in his wife. We'll call angela. wait are they from scranton. Okay so andy tells me that. He's now in an open marriage and like most men. He seems a static. Okay i asked how he managed to pull that one off and he tells me that it was her idea. He said there are few rules there though No friends no question. Single people only the whole situation seems suspect. I assumed she was feeling guilty about cheating. And that's why she should just it fast forward a couple of weeks in a co worker of mine whose wife works with. Angela tells me that everyone in the office knows that she's an open marriage but she's been sleeping with her supervisor. Dwight for a few months. Dwight is twelve years older. It's been married fourteen years and definitely not an open marriage since then. I've heard some same rumors about numerous people angela's distant from our side of the family. So there's not much love. Their in their marriage is based on getting pregnant. A few months after dating Not sure what to tell him without. Seem like i'm trying to ruin a marriage or let it go because it's got him what he signed up for. I've thought about sending flowers to their house. Soundbite signed by dwight Do we think this is fake news. Fake this is just him doing this doing schtick but this is real without giving all the names we have to edit out okay so let's just imagine it is real in obviously is using the characters in the office if your wife suggests an open marriage. You're probably some trouble. There's probably stuff that you don't wanna know and as much as it's the concept like you're some twenty twenty harem guy You really want your wife like hanging with the trainer who's fifteen years younger than you and way better looking. I don't know if that trade off is if you really care about each other exact joke of you get your one years something like that which i don't even know what's real i don't know but whatever i've never i've never been in a never married but the idea that like. Hey you're allowed to cheat on me once a year like oh really okay definitely. We'll think about that. Yeah wait wait a minute though. Are you gonna look like a neighbor or something like well. And i just feel like like no no like shanty that began. Hey doug you guys you guys cleaning out the pool early this year. I know he slept on my wife's but it's cool. We get one a year. That was out tall. So you know that goes yeah. i don't i don't know what to do here I would. 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Joe Thomas on the Contender Browns, Carson Wentz, and Jets Conspiracies. Plus, NFL Awards.

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Joe Thomas on the Contender Browns, Carson Wentz, and Jets Conspiracies. Plus, NFL Awards.

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The denver airport conspiracy theory award goes to of course the new york jets people love conspiracy theories in jets blowing that game With zero coverage against the raiders. We're going to get to a bunch of the stats on that. How rare that call actually was greg. Williams has since been fired since you woke up this morning. How's your greg williams doing. Well he's out as d. coordinator of the jets but it does speak to how much everyone loves a conspiracy theories so the reason i bring up the denver airport has anybody that's ever been to denver I wouldn't say the new international airport there. I think it's twenty five years now. I've made the joke that it's actually located in nebraska. Then you have to drive into downtown denver nebraska. That's how far away it is. So that's brought up a bunch of different theories. Let's examine some of the conspiracy theories. How are you a conspiracy theory guy. I like a good one. Yeah i knew it. I knew you love. Have you seen conspiracy theory with mel gibson now. I think he'd like that a mistake. No yeah i mean ninety seven so i don't expect you to be on top of it. You know twenty years ago. Yeah sure How will you again. just turned shit. I was gonna say twenty eight all right okay. i'll check it out. Yeah all right so here go. Let's go over some of the airport conspiracy theories. The airport was built by the new world order with ties to nazis. So i don't. I'm not up on my new world order stuff. I don't know where those ties overlap. Another one is that the freemasons which are linked the aluminum body Built help build this because one of the main reasons. I'm taking this from the text now. Conspiracy theory has so much staying power because the airport was much more expensive than originally projected. So how is the airport completed conspiracy theorists points the illuminating money which some believe was used to finish denver's construction in exchange for secret society using the property. All right. just backup one no way. A major construction project went over budget. That never happens are the other part. Do the illumine was there. Was there lease up. Somewhere else was the h. q. I dunno did they get visited. Why would they be like look the the thing. We really a lot of the freemasons that we hang out with. We're looking for a new hang out and we'd love it to be just near an airport on our building. Yeah right right yeah. Can we get to clue now. He's been linked to the pac twelve with all the empty office space I guess and that's not a shot of the layoffs just to cover that everybody understands it. Got i just don't i don't understand because i guess the originally like some of the construction wasn't done the right way so they just built over it now. They built over that so they could have secret layers They're also theories that some said the tunnels underground tunnels and bunkers possibly built by lizard. People or aliens that will serve as a safe place for the world's elite during the apocalypse civil par shot to the aliens for building the tunnels for the one percent Also denver post reported that other theories say the tunnels lead directly to norad. Because they said let's have tunnels that are really far away from norad and apparently they said it would have taken decades the tunnels the right way. Although this part is true that big bronco that they have up there with the red is. It's the sculpture. The sculptor of that sculpture was killed by a piece of that sculpture falling on. So that's not a conspiracy. Yeah yeah so. Look i mean there's all sorts of imagery there's all sorts of stuff Hey what's that what's going on. There was a symbolism there. there's weird artwork. there's also different things. They say that all the landing strips are designed to certain way. I don't know i. I just know people love it. People love it and people loved the idea that greg williams got the word from somebody said. Lose this game now losing in the last place. so we get trevor lawrence. I mean i was. I was kidding. When i said they'd go down as one of the greatest plays in jets history if it ends up getting them. Trevor lawrence and trevor lawrence turns out to be a lot of think. He's going to be. But i don't believe it. I just don't and i'll admit as much as i'm entertained by. I'd almost believe none of these. I don't especially when it comes to sports like ow. That's they're doing this. Because ratings of there's so much money involved in as i ask anyone on any conspiracy theory in sports i'll say what would sports be like. Then if things weren't writ in this case. I think it's greg williams. I think that's all you need to know that it was just greg williams. Because why were you trying the other fifty nine minutes. Why did you score and throw the football to go up. Twenty eight twenty four. If you wanted to lose this game. Why did you on the wall or completion. That set up the hail. Mary and it wasn't really a hail mary play. That we're talking about the rug. Touchdown why did you send four on the wall or play. And then the raiders come up spike the football and then on the floor incompletion down the middle where you're got deep behind the safeties. There still were multiple players. It wasn't one woman galore on some post and then they were seven with an eighth. I guess that spying. Derek carr i the exit the the answer. This is not conspiracy. They figured it out in the last fifty seconds. I just don't buy that stuff. Maybe we'll find out one day. And maybe i'll be wrong but i think you're simple. Answer here is greg williams. So let's run over some numbers from espn stats and info. There are two hundred and fifty one past play since two thousand six. That's how far back they on these tracking where you had to hit all three criteria final fifteen seconds between four and eight point leads. You need a touchdown. Forty plus yards to go. Okay the jets are the only team to send six or more rushers in that scenario now two hundred and fifty two times that this is the only team that's ever done six more rushers. They sent seven since two thousand offenses. This is from zero. Were seven and one forty eight when trailing by four to eight points in the final twenty seconds. Thirty to fifty yards to go for touchdown Two of those seven victories have happened this year. Now that's three with a trade over land. The todd gurley thing where he went. In for the touchdown accidentally and then the hill murray from kyla murray so that was a point. Zero four eight winning percentage in those scenarios. So look they sent seven. But it wasn't like the seven guys on that rush. Were trying to get to car actually moved them off spot a little bit well. I've watched that play over and over and over again going. Am i seeing anything where they were lied out. But why were they trying on all the other place for fifty nine minutes if you were trying to lose that game. I think these guys wanted to win. I think everyone of those players is bad as a season is and his pointless as a win. May be win. Could cost you trevor lawrence. The guy suiting up every sunday. Want to win a football game and stop getting laughed at shit on monday. So i love how people love lies. That's really what it comes down to speaking of loving lies. I'm working in a much bigger segment later on that topic. The paul george bad quote award. I just can't help myself. Paul george louis Yet another awesome one recently. This is going to go to boomer assize now. What is the paul george. Bad quarter war. It's just a quote that you go. I supposed to do with this. It doesn't really mean anything right now. and this is an anti boomer size thing and even he said as i say this is going to turn into a bunch of different things but he said this on a show. Reciprocal call all i know. Is it yesterday bill. Kaur was showing me burleson. They all work on the cbs morning. Show the pre-game stuff. We've seen it all right. He was showing me a nate film of him. Coaching on the sideline. We were miked up. We looked at each other and said What does this mean size and said is he sending a message. I worked for fourteen years. And i've never seen that. I can't believe we're back at. The is bill cower gonna coach again. We only did that for about ten years. I believe he's been done for fifteen. I'm good as i say about a lot of coaches if you really really love coaching and you want to do it. Why haven't you done it in fifteen years. People want to cower all the time back in the day they want to that guy forever and he just wasn't interested and if somebody ends up not being super interested in that i'm gonna go ahead and pass i'm not gonna pay you five six million dollars a year because you're thinking he no be huge is just cash in one. More time i just. I don't i wouldn't want to do that now. I don't know if that's this could be a gruden thing so not a hundred percent sure what's going on. I'm always a little scared when we're not scared. I got scared as the wrong word here but remember how gruden would basically every time. There was a chance to flirt with another franchisee would do you wanna know. Why would do it because you would get a raise from espn. I have to imagine gruden set a record for number of raises while still under contract at. Espn anyone that i've ever worked with. I thought you'd here and be like wait. What happened to be like our. They get worried. He's going to leave the gave him another race. I don't know if the real number is. It was always rumoured and it worked out for gruden. Good for gruden. But i don't know that was the first thing. I thought like a size in his cower. Cbs contract up. And that's why this is happening again. Not an at thing now. Why is the paul. George bad quote award because paul george who recently lied about how he's using offense doc rivers. Because i don't think he understood then was like yeah man. They got me coming up a pin down rail and all that stuff and then of course he was like of course. I can do that. We've already played that quote for last week. But just to recap paul george on his career aspirations he did say last week quote. This is where my heart is. I want to retire. Clipper when he re-signed with oklahoma city. He said quote. I'm here to stay. We can bring this thing home and then before. He requested straight to the lakers. While he was still with the pacers he said quote. My goal is to win one here. I never wanna leave indy. Paul george could get lunch with cam. Newton and then demand a trade to the patriots by the end of the week. This may be my favorite one This is the mayan florio award for the end of the world. And that's going to go to mike florio. The reason i called to my in florida where is mayan. Calendar has predicted the end of the world. A few different times here and flory tweeted out before the ravens mid-week game he said per source. This is his quote. This is his tweet per source. There are new fears of ravens players refusing to play tomorrow night which technically would be a wildcat strike. It could create major issue between the nfl and nfl pa. If it happens potentially it could jeopardize the balance of the season. I check my sources This morning before. I would address this and as far as i could tell. They played a ton of games on sunday. So i'm i'm not from what i remember. I think there was a full slate tweets like this drive me absolutely fucking crazy guy now. Let's do a little background on the end of the world stuff. I looked it up wikipedia. There were one hundred sixty seven end of the world predictions according to wikipedia. And i gotta tell you. A business really picked up in the nineties. I went through them all other nineties. Which is the loved him. Okay and in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine alone. We had five or excuse me nine full blown on the record. This is the end of the world. I think people really playing into that to thousands of all marks. That stuff like the end of the world can't be tuesday. No it has to be right as the calendar goes from one thousand nine hundred ninety two thousand. Y2k to all the way to cape repors including my dad who bought about one hundred boxes of peanut butter crackers super worried about y two k They're still maybe some crackers in that pantry from from twenty years ago y two k. You know look at it happened in the kind of didn't there's also one guy in herald camping christian radio fans may remember that name. Maybe you just remember that name. Because he went over twenty on end of the world predictions. So he'd be like. Hey look may eleventh. it's going down. This whole thing is over. Reckoning is common and then nothing would happen as you know are still live now. Doing a podcast end of the world didn't happen and then they'd be like what happened. Did he go. Oh here in may twenty four th now. He would literally just change the day after he was wrong. All the time herald camping was like the mike carry on end of world calls and then at the end of camping's career where it was pretty much people. I don't know about this guy anymore. He's not very good at this. He's like you know my bad my bad on all those predictions. That didn't work out. I should not have done that. That in itself was sent so maybe he came full circle if you wanted the religious angle on all that so yes it annoys me when you tweeting out. Stuff that says could jeopardize the balance of the season or or. They're gonna play or that. I know this is hard. I know it's inconvenient for everyone. I know all of us have been inconvenienced in some way some more than others. I know last. So i don't complain And players are going to complain because players complain. It's their job. They're cooler than us. They get to do a lot cooler stuff and their special. They've been special their whole lives. So you can have a real. It's not even a diva attitude. You can lose perspective a little bit about how challenging times you're gonna be like the nba season. Worries the hell out of me. I think they're going to be some real challenging moments. Where you know you get off a plane. You think you're playing team. And then guess what. They're they're not clear because they have a couple of cove it pop ups but i think those kinds of tweets that kind of stuff that says potentially it could jeopardize the balanced the season when everybody like going is it. Is it really just going to keep playing. So yeah there you go congrats any work okay. I can't believe still doing this. I can't believe you guys are still taking We get a lot of requests for a man. I can't believe what's gonna happen tom. Tommy bill okay. So i think i glance you'd be like look. Bill has to be one. Tom has to be to. Tom didn't play bill. Six thousand six. They smashed the chargers. The chargers gave us one of the worst special teams performances that we've seen in a game in nfl history by the way Bats a figured out who they are although defensively their stats aren't even close like what you would think. Ground control defense all that despite the blow out against the chargers. It's it's not statistically great defense and cam. The team was like one for six months for six over five. Start the game. He didn't but it didn't matter. The special teams terrific. And with his cam damian harris thing and the offensive line coming together they this is who they are. They going to run it right at ya. They're not going to be. I don't know how they're going to be any team that that can really throw. But they're six thousand six. They've turned this thing around. So that means bills. I wrong two things. Why if bill so great. Did it take this long to figure this out right right if you're one if you're if you're the real powerbroker in this tom bill dynamic. Shouldn't you figure this out before. Just i can't rule it out right and tom had his house broken into so dealing with that alone. We're gonna talk off the field problems. Tom's house was broken into and mass. Not in tampa so that that concerns me i would have thought if there was one guy in massachusetts as house was off limits breaking that's like breaking into larry bird's condo. He can't do that. So i'm gonna have tom one bill to kyle. I noticed you had some energy there when we started talking about the break in anything to add to that. Well i think it's sad that some people When when. Tom decided to leave the patriots. They didn't turn completely on him but like he kind of sour grapes. It's okay to just like like i just. I don't like the patriots fan. That's like we we don't fuck em. I dunno says annoying. Yeah he's not to about it. that's all i think. That's such a small number man. I gets a really small number. I think you might be right but They're loud enough. So i don't even think they're all that loud they did. You see one brady jersey burn because usually guys that are doing that are just doing it for the re tweets. The i didn't see any of those. Yeah i saw that. I mean honestly. I think that might be felony massachusetts. So that's that could be a reason. Why guys don't do although breaking into his place. Life sentence then they were just big fans right walberg macfarlane dedza a movie though. That wasn't a documentary fair enough. Yeah i'm gonna have to research this a little bit more. Joe thomas going to join us here. Shortly i know we're all gearing up for a lonelier and less exciting holiday season this year but the good news is that the folks making call of duty most have us in mind cio de mobile is a global free to play first person shooter that delivers fresh updates every month like limited time game modes weapons characters and battle passes so you know. They have a ton of content lined up for the holidays. Best of all for all you longtime duty fans you can place your favorite operators of classic weapons and maps from games like black ops in modern warfare cd mobile brings you consul level graphics with both battle royal and multiplayer gameplay right onto your phone getting a fight solo a squad up with your friends by installing call of duty mobile now on ios android. Joe thomas joins nfl network and of course a long distinguished career with the cleveland browns and time pro bowler. So let's start with the browns. They're nine three. This is the question you must deal with just as soon as you walk out the door. how good is this team. There's another part of. This is really positive but yeah. We're playing with with these expectations down when you watch them. Throughout this season a great record who are they. I'm much happier to be in this situation than the situation of usually which is. How bad is this team. And so it's fun for me to be able to answer this question. And i really. I'm a believer in the browns. Because they've got an opportunistic defense that finds a way even though they don't have a ton of talent the back end they find a way to be able to get turnovers especially at important moments in the game. We saw that again this weekend. They've got a front. That's pretty good at stopping the run. Obviously we know myles garrett. He's a great pass rusher and he can get to the quarterback against anybody so even other defenses in highly ranked. I think they still match up. Well on defense offensively. They got the best running attack in the nfl. Nick chubb kareem hunt. Everybody knows about those two guys. Baker mayfield as progressing and getting better as the season goes on. He's eliminating the turnovers that plagued him earlier on the season. He starting to understand how he needs to play within that offense to win the game playing well outside the pocket throwing the ball on the run. Don't make turnovers if something's not there in third down throw it away. Live to see another down. So i really liked this team. I think they match up well against pretty much anybody down the stretch and i think that is play football all about. It's all about matchups. And i think the browns of a great chance to match up well against anybody. Every week is an evaluation of like baker's future. And i feel like there'd been week for you go a. He's not getting that second contract. He is getting that second time. Because that's really what separates it and then now we see in philadelphia like there's no brainer the carson wentz to be the next guy. Now i've seen how much he's struggled. There bakers not started back. The whence part of it's been brutal but do you do feel like at this point. Like they do have their guy. I know that sounds crazy at nine three. But i feel like again. We've done this every week with baker. That's the discussion that we've had with baker. It seems almost for two years now. Because he had that great rookie season he sets the touchdown passing record as a rookie. And i think at that point. Everybody said well if we see the trend line. He's on. he's clearly going to be the franchise guy and they're going to lock them up as soon as they can. Then he had the little hiccup your to didn't play very well and then he's been up and down your three. He's not a great string right now. I think the last five or six games. He's played very well. In my opinion. I know people have jumped on them for missing a few throws here and there but overall his biggest issue has been turnover worthy plays and he's really reduced those. He's made the place he needs to. And he's trending in the right direction. And so. I think. I'm not ready right now to say. Absolutely he is the franchise guide pay him thirty million a year right now but if he can continue the consistent play that he's been having in the last few weeks that's what we want. Out of the franchise quarterback you want consistent. Play wanted them consistently puts you in a position to win. And that's what bigger don. So he's able to do that the rest of the season. I think it's pretty safe to say that he's your franchise guy let's go back to garrett because they'll be moments in a game where you're like okay you know and look. It's not like this should be breaking. News is the number one pick but some of the stats the pressure stats the deflected patch. Like you just go okay number one ranked number one ranked number one ring. Where is she right now. As far as guys in the nfl in your opinion well. I think the number one edge guy. That's no question in my mind. I played against him when he was a rookie. Just fresh off. The boat is first time in the nfl. In was whipping my butt practice. So i have this martyrised. Gimme your first impression myles garrett story when you lined up against each other so my first impression was my eleven season his rookie season. I was coming off of offseason. Surgery cited in the really practice all that much and training camp so i was kind of getting eased into it but my very first practice going against them and we're running a screen. Which on a screen for a tackle. You're trying to beat. You're trying to get beat slow. And so you don't want the guy to just run free to the quarterback. Obviously a totally blows up the screen. But you still want to kind of let it run around the edge and so for me. I knew if. I kinda took it about ninety five percent. I could get in his way long enough where he felt like he was winning. And then i could let him ivy. But as soon as i took my set he was already like a step. Ask me and it didn't exactly work out the way i had planned. Because he ran right into the quarterback and of course everybody. That's watching from the sideline all the media's they're like most trading gaps. There are watching the first overall pick versus the old savvy that at he blows right past me on screen so it looks even worse. It looks like he just ran right by being sacked the quarterback without touching but it was definitely sort of my wake up moment that wow this guy is pretty good because a lot of times. You see high draft picks. We've seen a ton of a in cleveland. And they just don't pan out they'd just right away when they hit the field They just don't have what it takes and you can see it pretty quickly but miles was on the other side of it. You saw him right off the bat and you knew he was going to be the guy he was going to have what it takes to be a great player in this league and so going back to your question. Best edge rusher in the nfl. Not the only question in my mind is. Who's a better overall defensive lineman hemmer air now so you actually think it's a conversation because i think people be listening to this being like wait a minute aaron. Donald might be the greatest player of i. I i've been the guy for the last couple of years saying here in donald's the best player in the nfl right now. I don't think he's better than miles right now. But i think that's the conversation that we could be having and i think right now because the browns have been bad when you're on a bad team in your pass rusher that many bites at the apple to rush the quarterback so you don't have an opportunity to make those big plays that everybody notices air dowsman on a really good team. He's been dominant for a long time. So miles is a little bit behind him. But i think he's starting to make those big plays and the browns are good enough right now. That people are started. While this guy's implacable there's nobody in the nfl. That's been able to handle him. So it'll be fun to kind of see. How that back and forth progresses in my opinion. Do you think the college part of it is that you can kind of get away with one. Move if you're six six to seventy decent quickness you could just you can make make it work every saturday for three years just with one move no doubt and that's a problem evaluating college pass rushers and all use Chase as an example. I think he's going to be a very good pro player. But when i watched him in college everybody was kissing about. This is the greatest guy. That's ever gone into the draft. And i said well. Let's pump the brakes. Everybody because he's only beating guys because he's faster than and bigger than them he's just running around him and when you're really good at one thing in college there's nobody can stop you and chase young. Showed us in college that he was bigger and faster than everybody. He's just gonna to run around people and that doesn't always translate to the nfl because all of a sudden the guys that you're seeing on saturdays consistently maybe during the fall you had one guy who was an all american now. You're playing everybody. That was an all american. And you're playing guys that are actually physically sort of on your level. Maybe not the same level as myles garrett or aaron donald but you're playing guys that are pretty big and pretty fast and so you're not going to be able to win with one move anymore and so you have to develop the other parts of the game. And so i think for chasang to become the dominant pass. Rusher that we expect him to be. He's got to be able to develop those other moves. You gotta be able to develop those counter moves because just about every tackle you're gonna face is going to be able to take away what you do best and it's going to be a matter of. Can you win with your second and third move. And that's where the guys like aaron donald. That's where the guys like myles garrett they excel and they put themselves hadn't shoulders above everyone else. A lot of people are watching it. Eagles game it was in the second window was mentioned before kind of on the baker topic wentz. Even if you weren't that into wednesday. I can't imagine anybody thought it would be this bad. And i don't know if he was benched because they wanted to give jalen a shot at that point. I mean the weird thing is almost got back into that game. What do you see with wentz. What would you do with this this quarterback situation if you're the eagles the rest of the year you know my heart goes out to carson. Wentz a little bit. Because he looks like a shattered brain like when he's out there mentally you can see that he can make all the throws we've seen it in the past. You can see that. He wants to throw the football in certain situations. But he's just afraid like he's afraid to let it rip and when you're a quarterback the most important thing that you have attribute wise your decision making ability your ability to stand back there and quickly process. What the defense is doing to you and throw the football where it needs to go and carson wentz right now. He's afraid of his own shadow when he's back there because first of all has offensive line that all sorts of injuries so he's been getting hit a lot this season but even the times. He has been protected. He's afraid to throw the football because he's afraid to make the wrong decision he's afraid to throw the a on interception to the other team. And when you have that as a quarterback it sort of leads you to a paralysis and you can't play quarterback with any sort of hesitation in your mind at all and right now. He's plan quarterback with tons of hesitation. And i think it was the right move to jalen hurts because nobody expected this like you mentioned the the guy was an mvp the year that they won the super bowl before he got hurt. And we saw everything that you could possibly love in a quarterback and all of a sudden now. He looks like a guy that doesn't even deserve via backup. And it's really a big question mark. But i think it just leads to what's going on in his head space and then he just doesn't have that confidence anymore. You played with a lot of quarterbacks over your career. What is that like. Is there a good example. A good story maybe a good and bad example of like a team rally around this next guy or it was just dreadful being at the facility every week knowing that our guy was about to get benched. I mean you dealt with this quite a bit. So i imagine. There's some examples there. We've gone back and forth with quarterback several times in my career. But i i would say one. That really sticks out in my mind as we derek anderson who had been a pro bowl quarterback for us we had first round pick brady quinn. I think both those guys had the ability to maybe be long-term starting quarterbacks in the nfl but we bench derek brady than we bench brady with derek. And when you that fourth with quarterbacks you destroy their confidence and then you never give them an opportunity to build any sort of cohesion with the receiving corps and those guys need time. They need confidence. They need trust in each other. That's to practice and game time on sundays. And when you're constantly going back and forth between different quarterbacks you'd never build that trust and that understanding of timing and where each other expects them to be in the offense and then outside of just receivers and quarterbacks you erode the confidence of everybody on the team in the head coach's decision making will. Why did you go with this guy in the first place. If you're only going to bench him and then why did you bench him and go to the other guy if going to go right back to the first guy and so it really leads to sort of an erosion and confidence. I think throughout the entire team if you do that back and forth. But i think at this point. Doug peterson the call was right to go. Jalen hurts you needed a spark carson wentz. His confidence was destroyed. And you needed to give carson at opportunity really go to the bullpen and sit for several games and sort of maybe reevaluate things. Get an opportunity to go and get back out there eventually. Somewhere down the road while other. it's the eagles or somebody else and have a little bit more playing with nothing to lose mentality versus playing a tight afraid to make a mistake mentality and right now jalen hurts that nothing to lose mentality right. He's kind plan on house money he's coming in for carson stations are not really high and he's able to come in and let it rip and kind of give that team. That spark seahawks lose the giants Which you know. He's talked about travel way. But you know. There's a big push for russell wilson to be the mvp. It was almost becoming like a thing. I don't want to call it propaganda because it's it's it's not definite happens. It happens in pro. Sports leagues all the time where the media going out of camp. We'll start talking somebody up. You're like okay now. This guy is on the right numbers. Pay attention and for awhile. It looked like it was gonna make sense now. Three straight games has had some turnover issues. He just he looked law. So we knew seattle's defense was bad and that wasn't the case this past weekend. But what are you seeing right now. The seattle team that maybe we thought had chances of getting out of the nfc. While it's interesting because russell wilson like you said it was like a thing making russell wilson the for the first time in his career. Because everyone loves russell wilson playing great football and at the beginning of the season. What he was doing was almost impossible to understand because he literally was just putting the entire team on his back the worst defense in the nfl and somehow he was willing his team to win every single week. He was doing it. Nearly fall asleep like hardly throwing any interceptions. The ball was never touching the ground and you wondered how long he was gonna be able to keep that up and i think part of it has been They're not running the football as effectively as they were earlier on in the season. But there's just a little bit of a reversion to the mean right now with russell. And i think when you ask one single player to do as much as they had in seattle with russell. Eventually there's going to be a few mistakes that are going to happen and he's gonna revert to what you expect out of that player which is still greatness time you put so much on them and you put so much pressure on him to make the impossible play making that possible. Play just can't happen every single sunday and so now that we're a little bit surprised it's not happening. I think they need to take some of the pressure off and just put it back on some of the other guys run football a little bit more maybe give him some more easy completions and it's a little bit of the carson wentz where carson felt like you had to make every single play himself with all the injuries around him and it led to him. Maybe losing a little bit of confidence in what he could do. I'm not saying russell has lost confidence. But maybe they need to take a little bit office plate and maybe give him some more easier completions maybe run the football a little bit more and give him an opportunity within the flow of normal offense to make some of those wild plays instead of expecting to make those while plays every week i. I love him as a player. You know his whole story. I used to argue. You know in the beginning of his career when there was some comparison stuff. Yeah we were trying to figure out. Who's who's the next one out of this young group. Andrew luck was still in that group. And i believe to be kidding. Me andrew luck doing russell. Wilson's doing now but andrew luck was doing that. As a rookie. Russell was allowed to kind of evolve into somebody where the game plan was on him. He was asked to do very little in the beginning of his career. It was perfect work. They won the super bowl. But i i. I'm always hesitant to be remotely critical of him. But how tough would it be to play. Oh line for him. Because i think there's so many times yes you can keep plays live. His instincts are incredible. He's got movement in the pocket. He's got movement out of the pocket he makes throws. I just don't think would tap on say that he's the best quarterback but it's gotta be brutal trying to figure out what the hell you're supposed to do wants to play breaks down for him and that's why they can sack. Totals always been. I and it isn't just because the old line has had some down years. It's because it's just know. I'm kind of leading you in this direction. But it's to be kind of frustrating to try to keeping gauge the entire time not even knowing what angle you're supposed to play it. Yeah i think for an offense lineman. It's important to keep like optimistic view on your role as an offensive lineman for russell smile on your face you gotta you gotta have a smile on. Understand like yeah. I'm probably going to get blamed for a lot more sacks than i should and the fans are going to be the ones that say they. Offense aligned. Left tackling sucks. You give it up five saxes year when you're used to be giving up just one or two. But you gotta understand that with the way. That russell wilson extends plays. There's gonna be a lot of good that's going to come from it. He's gonna throw a lot of other is more passes right and so you've got to kind of keep it all in perspective and understand. Yeah you know what. I might get a lot more blame than i should. Or that i've used to but russell's gonna make so many amazing plays that i'd rather have this than the quarterback that stands back there like a statue he throws the ball and i don't get a lot of sacks but we lose a lot of games and you'll only completes fifty percent of the balls and wants its third and six. I know it's no chance for us to pick it up so With russell you kinda gotta have a little bit. Maybe the schoolyard mentality. Like you know what you might run around. I don't know where he's going to be. I can play hard as i can. I gotta laugh about it a little bit. Sometimes because i can't cry my guys at the quarterback but just play until you see the ball and you hear the crowd roaring one way or the other and get back to the huddle and maybe laugh about it on monday morning as a group and i think that's part of the reason why offensive lineman for we're kinda sick and twisted people but we have this like mushrooms society. This club on monday mornings that were able to sit most meeting rooms and complain about the running back now. Been complaining about the quarterback not throwing the ball on time but we can do that in our little safe space and that when we walk out of that we realized that you know it's okay we don't ever get the credit we just get all the blame but we kind of enjoy that because we are sick and twisted in our heads do you think offensive. Linemen should start pushing towards like wide receiver or a corner where you go on the sideline and just lay into a team from this clock running that do you think oh lyman should get together and then start doing that more on sunday i feel like oh i need a union to be able to get together to be able to like control the the fan's perspective on what we do and and we could do it with ways like that but i will say that you see the tom. Brady's going to the sideline and just to receiver if they're not the right spot all. I'm do that but they do that. In more subtle ways. And here's what i used to do. Here's what you'll see in the nfl like if a quarterback gets sacked and he's laying there all goes right over and picks them up usually. It's offense of lions fought. He feels bad about it. But if the offense of ireland's there and the quarterback gets sacked aniello walks back to the huddle. It doesn't help them up. You know that that's his way of yelling. Adam ad in his head he knows you deserve that one. That's exactly what you get for hanging onto the football and not being where you're supposed to so if you ever see that in the a sunday i the field you know that that's the offense alignments way of getting back at the quarterback for screwing up. I'm gonna start looking for that a little bit more. I asked you a thomas to put together the team that it wouldn't be surprised when the super bowl he's going to do that for us at the end here. But twenty twenty is the year of cancellations and is the holidays. 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Miller brewing company milwaukee wisconsin ninety six calories and three point two carbs for twelve ounces. This is something. I touch on in the open. I have my own thoughts on. I'm not gonna tell you until. Maybe i'm done here what you have to say but to the jets lose that game on purpose though so first of all the whole coaching staff in new york. No they're going to get fired. Actually greg williams. I think already got fired today. Yeah so so. They know they're getting fired so there's no reason that they want to give the people that are about to fire them a gift of going. Oh and sixteen getting the number one overall pick and being able to pick trevor lawrence and then the next coaching staff have success so the coaching staff is not trying to lose them and they definitely don't want to have sixteen on their coaching record. Which you know the coaches that. I've been around that. That's i think that's hard to get rid of like it's hard to get jobs after being that bad. Unfortunately for maybe it is your fault. Maybe it isn't your fault but that sticks with you so they don't wanna lose and they're not doing that on purpose. What i will say is if you go back and watch greg williams. That's exactly who he is. He's aggressive. He doesn't do what the conventional wisdom is two thousand fifteen. I'm with the browns. And we were playing the saint. Louis rams at the time greg williams defensive coordinator. It's the end of the half. Were running a hail. Mary from midfield. And it was the first time i've ever seen they've blitz the house. They butts both corners against us the crush their quarterback. They prevented us from throwing the football. Even getting an opportunity to throw a hail. Mary which is probably a higher percentage odds of success that most people realize so greg williams throughout his career even when he was in cleveland and everywhere he's gone really has been the guy that says i would rather blitz you and try to hit the quarterback and not allow you to throw the hell mary than to sit back in the prevent defense like most fans would expect an most coordinators would do. Because you're going to get less flack if it doesn't work when you're in a prevent defense than if you blitz and so if you didn't like a defensive coordinator who's going to be aggressive and who's going to buck conventional wisdom and who's going to blitz a hail mary and you shouldn't have hired great williams so if adam gays wants to fire somebody for listening at the end of the game a hail. Mary situation losing the game. You should fire himself. Because that's who greg williams has always been and for the fans that are beside themselves that the the the jets flits. They're probably the same fans that are going to bitch and moan when the place prevent defense and the offense moves away down the field it gets an easy opportunity to score at the end of the game itself for fans. It's it's fun for us because we can be monday morning. Quarterbacks we can have it both ways and whatever the defense does and it doesn't work we can say they should have done the opposite but in the end. This is exactly who greg williams is. And i wasn't surprised that he did that. Usually it works. It didn't work this time. And that's just what you have to handle when you're a coordinator. The oddity of his team is not the only team to do it. So you don't want to greg williams personality it's an atom as personality. You're setting yourself up for failure when ristori like look to gaze. You're the head coach. But we're hiring. Greg williams we were hiring separate of you and knowing the way greg williams is where he's almost laughed about. Not having to answer to anyone you go why. Why would you want this dynamic especially when you know. It's probably going to be a tough season. Why would you add another dynamic to this. That's probably going to be challenging for everybody and his players. This part part of it is like so we just want to go out there and play. Like i don't wanna hear about greg williams laughing about the idea that he's not beholden that anything gays says so. I don't even know what you'd want to put a franchise even in that kind of challenge spot anyway. Well i think that's a question for the people that are doing the hiring and that's the relation. You know what. I was in cleveland. We had every iteration imaginable about setting up the structure of an organization. We had a president hiring general manager a head coach. We had a president who had hire a general manager head coach separately. We had a head coach who acting as the owner who got to hire the general manager. And so unless you get everybody on the same page. It's going to be drama from the start. And that's what it's been it new york because if you don't get a head coach that's able to hire his coaches and be on the same page with gm when you have inevitable situations that come up losing. That comes up with every team in the nfl. Endless stream of drama. and so. You can't be surprised when you have drama and losing if you don't get everybody in that organization on the same page and when you don't hire them together you know that you're going to get that and so i don't know why front offices continued to do this because it just handicaps your teen and your head coach decision when you do hire these guys independently especially guy like greg williams who i've worked with. Who's a little bit tough to get along with. Sometimes i mean you can see the writing on the wall even before you hire these guys. I couldn't believe this when i looked it up and i sent it. She ahead of time. You played for romeo cornell. Mangini pat shurmur. Should cincy might penton hugh jackson you want to rank them for your favorites at least for now. Just kidding well unless you want to. I don't know some guys who vindictive excited zero playoff performances by any of them that you went ten and six rookie year and you never had a winning record after that and to not. Just say ten and six the best. It's ever going to be but you never had an in season coaching change. Did you i. When i looked at i was like is that even right. How did that happen. How how did no one ever lose her job with the browns little there well. They didn't lose in season right. I the letter of the law. But we had times where we'd fire the general manager in the season and we bring in a new gm or new president and they decided that the best course for the team was just let the coach basically be a lame duck coach for the rest of the season. Because i think generally speaking people that are on the inside the nfl they understand you. Fire a coach in the middle of the season. It really doesn't do anything except it kind of lets. The inmates run the asylum at that point. It's like having a substitute teacher right. You pull on an interim coach and you've seen in in atlanta. You've seen already this last weekend in detroit usually get a little spark. It'll pop you got a couple of games team. Plays pretty well. There's a lot of energy doozy azam with the new coach interim coach. Then the the new coach. He's got nothing no legs to stand on because everybody in that locker room knows that he's not going to be the coach next year. And there's really nothing to play for. They're not going to the playoffs. And so you just don't get a whole lot out of your team down the stretch. There's nothing for them to play for. The head. coach has no ability to enforce discipline has no ability to enforce his offense or his defense. Because everybody knows it's going to be different at the end of the season and the closer to the end of the season less effort. You're going to get with your substitute teacher. And so. I think that was a big reason why we never had season coaching changes. And i hear people say well. They wanted to get a head. Start on finding the next head coach. I mean you don't think your owners go on and fly at all over the country doing interviews and finding the next head coach after he's already fired. Gm president yeah. The head coach might still be there but that doesn't mean that they're not already looking for the next head coach and so i think that is kind of a hollow argument as leader For that team in a in that certainly what. You were Do you have where you have to go to the head coach and go. Hey look and especially considering. It didn't work very often. Were you asked by your teammates to address the coach about stuff that they were pissed off about. Yeah as a captain as handle that. I mean i was happy to do that. Because i wanted showed leadership to the coach so they understood that everybody on the roster respected you as sort of the conduit between the players and the coach but it also was a way for you to gain respect in the locker room so that the players new. Hey this guy's got my back like it. Went both ways and i thought it was a really good situation especially as an older player to kind of get the respect not only from the coaching staff in the front office but also from the players. And so it's it's a lot of responsibility but it was something that i think. Most guys enjoy. It makes a little bit tough. But i think it sorta hardens you as a player as a leader to be able to go to your boss and maybe tell him something that he doesn't like. I think that makes you a better person and makes you a better man makes you a better leader or at the end. He might say you know screw off but at least you feel like as a player other players had an opportunity to voice your opinions but see you for for the younger listeners. Here and i think most people remember this. It's not like it was that long. It's only been a couple of years. You out of the league you or a beloved player. You are beloved locally. Because you're the guy going through all these losing seasons you're basically play every game every snap your tire career up until the end you make all these roles all pro. I mean the resumes insane. Which coach was ever going to tell you like to fuck well. what what. My request was coach. I'd like to practice less because my guys are tired. Usually the response fuck off. We're going to do what we want to do. Because i'm the one that's going to get fired if we don't play on sunday So that was typically what the response was for the coaching staff. But i think as long as you you did it. At a diplomatic way coaches were receptive and they wanted to hear what the players had to say. And i think as a coach you wanna know what the pulse of the locker room is. You want to know what your players are feeling. And i think you gotta have a player or two in that locker room. Who's able to give you the honest truth and as a leader one of most important things is being able to give a unbiased and unfiltered opinion of what is going on on the practice field in the meeting room in the locker room and what the players are feeling and vice versa with the coaches. Like if the coaches feel the players are fucked up in practice and screwing around in meetings and not giving what type of extra they wanna see like. It's up to them to come to me as a leader because they know that a lot of times i'm going to be able to get through to the players better than they will standing up there and bemoaning the state of the practice in front of the team during a meeting because most players are going to kind of tune out a head coach. That does that. Anyway so i do think it goes both ways and i think it's an important role for any team to have somebody in that leadership position in locker room. That's playing to be able to kind of be the conduit i asked you as we finish up here to look at kind of at surprise list. I was like doing this with different guys where you go okay. This teams could win the super bowl and we wouldn't go well. How the hell did that happen. So i don't know if you have a list up. I can run through the top ones in the playoff standings. i just never know if it's more than four or five teams the afc. Feels the i mean when you start looking at baltimore. Granted they're six and five which is kinda surprising again but they're there the night seed them all right so pittsburgh kansas city. Is there anyone after that. That you'd go because i still think cleveland and ninety three if they want to super bowl we'd go That's weird. We'd be surprised. But i think part of that is not necessarily how they've played or how they've looked this season. It's just the recent history we've been so bad for so long and last year we really bad so the fact that word nine three right now is a surprise and if you won the super bowl being that would never won before people like wow that that was a surprise but i think when when you drill down and you look at like the afc field. Any one of those teams. I mean i would even say buffalo. I'd throw buffalo out there. Would you i throw in the out there like when you look at the history of the nfl playoffs especially this year. Because it's so unique. Like i feel like there's more variables that go into the platform this season than ever before which to me opens up the field to even more teams That you're not used to seeing out there especially with new england. Being doggy doodoo like without new england. It really opened things up so much more because you know in past years. Somebody's who's might be a pretty good team is going to run into new england and they're gonna knock them out like they're going to be the truth serum of some crappy team but i don't know if there is a truth serum right now in the afc especially with kansas city relying so much on that high powered offense and already have lost a have lost. The las vegas like. I could see kansas city in a bad match up losing to any one of those teams that i mentioned in the playoffs. Okay all right so wider field. They're in the afc. The other part of it is the one seed having the by the seventh seed. It's going to be tough for when the culture sitting there. Eight and four now with four games to go. You know just baby vegas and catch it. But now i'm looking at vegas tart like the last two weeks ago. All right waiting in mice posting guys suck now whereas the nfc okay. Let's do it this way. List the number of teams. were you. stop after okay. This would be a surprise. I imagine you're going to put the five and seven giants in that first group although they are four says there's no nfc east teams spoiler alert. I have a chance to win the super bowl. This listen i almost thirteen teams that i said they could win the super bowl and maybe our perspective on this is a little bit different. Maybe you're the hater fan. That said i. I was surprised. Case yes okay go ahead. I'm a guy that said. I could make a case for about thirteen teams and when you look at the nfc it's smaller than afc. Clearly but i got green bay new orleans. I think we probably agree on that. Yeah i think tampa bay has not looked good recently and you can easily poo poo them. But then you remember a wait. They got a ton of weapons. They got tom brady. They've had a defense that has been really good at times and so it could easily get hot in the playoffs and make a run and win the super bowl. The rams i mean they played better on sunday. They had this. Jared goff interception streak going on but clear that up all of a sudden. You say there are legitimate contender and you know has had a lot of question marks recently but if you go back five games people were saying hey made. They may be the nfc representative in the super bowl. Russell wilson where you have a great quarterback a generational town of quarterback like that all of a sudden. You're you can easily make a case for you in your head. That guys kind of raise their game a little bit around him. That's the type of player that can get hot in the playoffs. Go on a five game streak and when the super bowl yet the rams were wrong. Tell me well one of those. Nfc teams like no. I'm with you on the box. I think the bucks are almost like dumped on a little too much because their games have been the marquee matchups and in those games. They've been roche's they've saved their apps like these are some of the worst or the worth. Yeah it's like andy. Dalton if you're a franchise sorry for myself the rams though they should feel good about knowing the niners can't really be in the playoffs and if if that's right you know look they lost to him twice and i thought they looked really good against arizona. Although i think the last couple of weeks arizona i don't know if people figure in the mount cuyler wasn't healthy. Two weeks ago against new england you could see short yard situations. They were a little hesitant to use them the way that use him earlier year. So there's been a resetting it feels like the nfc in the end. The vikings with the horrible start getting to five even though they still the jacksonville. Like that's a talented football team. They just are and with that extra seed. 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I can make more if i was willing to move. I live in the south cost of living dirt. Cheap hi fi. Figures here is better than six figures in city. I would agree. I've looked at the real estate. I've been married for three years. Data five years of prior marriage. That's eight years together. When started dating. I was going through a divorce. I didn't cheat on my ex-wife and my current wife but we did start dating before. My divorce was finalized. My wife at the time and i were separated after my divorce. We finally Eventually moved in together after few years got engaged over year and married so we never rushed anything. Didn't and by the way i like how. You're kind of putting that out at the beginning. Because i just think with divorces. I'm amazed sometimes how over both parties can be in a divorce were. I've seen people live together. Which i think is look economically. If you have to pull it off species stuff going on right now. I would rather sleep in a in a cvs bag then live with a woman. I was divorced invite yet. I just put. I'll be outside. Combined grabs him compression shorts from time to time but i I think sometimes people can read the stuff that will say like. Oh we'll wait. Are you planning the seed for how you kind of turn. Now you do you divorce you. Getting divorced he started talking to somebody. You've mentioned in cheat on your wife for and taking freeboard. So are at five all right so he says about a year ago. His wife became more distant. We stopped having fun together that we both have settlement or routines didn't involve each other as much which i think is unfortunately part marriage so i don't think that's super unique but i get it. Okay money for thanksgiving us home. Early center text message for apple. Watch was on. The floor. Vibrated when i send the message without knowing why pickup watch looked her messages. What did i find. No surprise message between earn another man. I read them over did not appear. They were any sexual relations between them. I confronted her. She admitted that you've been texting. And seeing this other man. A couple of asians. She said they kissed but nothing. More communication lasted about a week and a half phone records in an unannounced search. So you went. You went in so. He looked at the phone records in an unannounced search through. My wife's facebook messenger confirmed as we separated for few days. Both clearer has decided what to do next after talking. We decided to go to therapy. And try to make things work okay She said she'd been texting him in met up with them. She said they kissed but nothing more when people cheat i feel like kissed is like code. Word for a yeah. We didn't we didn't just kiss. I'm not trying to pull me out here but that that's been my experience with that. Make our we just kissed really okay Unfortunately a week later the same scenario happened all right so that's a week. I all right center text message or apple. Watch vibrated and sure enough. I was looking to watch again. This time i found out. She'd had an eight month affair with her. Boss was also doing some side work on our house in the basement. No man. i didn't suspect the boss. Initially which is why didn't read their messages. The first time when. I confronted with this. She again admitted the truth had become a different person since we marriage. You didn't think i loved her anymore. The reality is that battle clinical depression and after medication change. I sent you zombie for eleven months. Still love my wife very much but this affair has broken me. She's come clean about everything but obviously much shattered the problem. I keep running into is still in love with her wonder. Forgive or try to make a work on never understood why someone would stay with somebody after they cheat them. But now that. I'm in this situation. I'm looking at it differently. Yes she fucked up major. But i also wasn't there for her like i should have been checked out for other reasons Which i feel is why. This went on so long with noticing. We were the happiest couple before the past year. I feel like we can get back to that place or maybe in a stronger when my question is uses my wife just suck or do. I need to try to work on things. Thanks for the vice. Okay this is obviously very complicated. And it's also you. It's it's you and this is a repetitive thing. But i know that there's nothing easier than all of us. Every guy listening to this right now and and i'm sure some of the women that listen to podcast. She's she's in the wrong screw her bouts. Okay but none of these people that are giving this advice for me reading this or emotionally attached to the way this year emotionally attached to the one person. All right so that goes not saying. That's not super insightful. So any decision here. I can't be about like what you're supposed to do or what the rules are supposed to be. I personally would couldn't do it. I couldn't do it and the fact that there's a guy that she's worked for so like she had a chance to be truthful about the boss the first time she got busted so that means she didn't go like hey. Here's the bigger picture thing. She was like maybe. I can get away with his other thing. I don't believe her about the kiss thing because she didn't tell you the truth about the boss the whole time and honestly like the fact that this piece of shit guy would be in my house working like fucking basement while also hooking up with my wife like again. I'm not trying to sound like you know. Mel gibson ransom here but i have a real hard time processing these things. Okay a girl. I dated one time. I don't even know if it's true or not but there was like a maintenance guy that worked in our neighborhood. And i think they might have hung out and somebody was like. Oh you should have him combined in fix something again. I was like nah. I don't think so. And like why like i don. I think there's something happened. They're like yeah. But you matt hit like her. The maintenance guy was like i don't know it's a i'm just out. He's not doing any maintenance here anymore. I know that and like do you even know if it happened or not. I was like no absolutely not. But i'm just going to imagine that it did and that guy's not coming by to fix all right. Yeah so all right. I'm not paying somebody to fix my water heater. That may have been with somebody that i cared about. Don't you understand that what's wrong you so yes i know that sounds psychotic on probably not always the best person asks when it comes to this stuff because i would have a real hard time with this So you know the bosting with her again. He's in your house man. So that that's the part that i have our time with but you went through something real tough year I can no going through what you went through and then seeing how you know you can. You can see if you're really close enough with somebody who actually changes up their medication and you can see some of the stuff you can kind of detach a little bit. You can become a bit of a muted version of yourself. And if that's why she started exploring other things You know. I think it's cool that you're allowing for yourself to be blamed a little bit here instead of you know all of us as as men trying to be tough guys about and just blame everybody else but she had an eight month fair. I think you're giving too much credit for being honest because she wasn't honest about the boston first time around. She tried to get away with that so she got buses again so i think you should stop giving her the benefit of the doubt as much and if you're what three months into a medication change and then she'd had an eight month affair. What did she do give you three months of being a little different before she started exploring other things. That's not great. you know. I'm not saying like hey. After twelve months of being different you're allowed to cheat on your spouse but three months. That's too soon so this really gonna come down to nothing. I say or any one else says people are going to give you. All sorts of advice is going to be a lot of people that say. Hey bounce but if you're going to be more miserable not being with this person and clearly you need to work on some things. That's that sucks. Because i think that a lot of times all of us male female come down to that conclusion. Where you just you go. I'm so scared of how sadah be without this person. Even though being with this person is not going to be the same. Because it's never going to be the same. You're never gonna trust her the way you did before and i kind of i don't know commend the right thing. You don't even have any kids. begins sometimes staying together because the kids is actually the worst thing for the kids. But you know everybody's situation a little different here but i'm not saying there holes here. I just think that as much as i think. It's kinda cool that you're also blaming yourself part of this. You're blaming yourself. Probably a little bit more than you should consider it. Sounds like it was a couple months of you changing the medication and she decided to start hanging out with a guy that was in your house fixing stuff so And like everything. Once you move on. I know it seems impossible but they'll just be magically day where you don't care anymore men it happens it's life. You never think you're going to get to that day in day happens. You know like wow. I don't care anymore. This is crazy and then maybe care for like another year and you're like all day thought i didn't care and then after that year you actually won't care and normally they usually will call you back with a k. Thinking about you. That's why swingers is one of my favorite movies ever because they absolutely nailed it. Yeah hey just thinking about you. it's the holidays. Yeah when you think about me. When i writing a check to your boss for fixing our vents okay last one. This is We're noticing more and more fake ones but were the. it team is sifting through these vigorously. So okay this is great. This one just made me laugh because it was Here we go our man going to use his name. Because it's too good. Taylor chimes in. He goes in life. Self-awareness is key. Consider myself a pretty self aware person. I know what parts of my personality to highlight which ones lay low. That said the simple fact is. I am super into dave matthews band. I have since. I was fifteen and i love them more today at thirty than i ever have. I've seen them seventeen times and to be honest as far as dnb vanco. That's actually not that many. Here's my problem. I'm self aware enough to know that being. Dnb guy is the number one way to make friends. I've yet to meet the person who just loves to taking conversation. The direction of an extended to step jam from nineteen ninety seven or about that time. Carter through sticks into the crowd mid re puzzle but sometimes trying not pay myself as dnb guy starts to make me feel like i'm supressing. Something i'm super superindent. I just wanna share what i love. I wanna talk about them. I want to introduce people to them. I want to bring them up. There are a lot more important things that make up who. I am That i talk about regularly but this is just a fun aspect of me. I never bring up shirley you try. Avoid aided his overly celtics Guy right yet. You really love talking about them. I'm sure how. Can i talk about them. Not become dnb guy. Thanks taylor this. it's i was. I was cracking up. When i read the third time. I've read this nike lasting. I think it's the senate's but sometimes tried to not pay myself. As dave matthews band guy starts to make me feel like i'm suppressing something super into. I just want to share what i love. I wanna talk about them. I want to introduce people to them. I want to bring them up. I don't know what happened. Taylor i with you. How come dave matthews became like the the joke band to bring up this guys. Fucking rock My my dave matthews band. History is incredible. And i'm going to share this with you. Taylor we're just gonna talk about in. Everybody else. Wants turn off pa. Now go ahead. I was a high school graduate. Martha's vineyard that's ninety three heading into uvm. Although i wasn't sure if i was gonna go to. Uvm or saint marks and we both deposit guy not privilege actually was expensive in scranton. Summer summer earnings. But i wasn't sure. I wanna i wanna go to school back then early nineties. Martha's vineyard there was a party literally every single night there was always a beach or some house or somebody's parents were gone. And you're ready to just go and music was a big part of those summers. I just was really starting to explore the space musically and i heard this this bootleg cassette tape of this guy singing and the violin and the acoustic guitar and the whole deal and the horns. And i'm like what is this. The guys like dave from virginia. You know now's like oh my god. This is what is this. This is incredible. And i was working at a music store at the time of martin andy reid so i mean you gotta i go can. Is there any way i can. I can dub one of these. I'll give you a discount. Cd's come into the cd's door tomorrow and we're we're planning at our hi five in it you it's all love and then of course you know like a lot of meetings that are organized over a few course lights. People don't show for those meetings so the next day is a god. I was a dave matthews band So i start researching it while. I'm working at the music store because back then there's no internet and i found this record company. I think was bama rags it. Was they the remember two things you try to see the cool. Little hidden seen in in the cd cover That was gonna come out later that year. And i got in touch with this guy. Chris oh this is. This is unbelievable. Like what is this stuff and the guy taking me. Through the whole thing was this whole charlottesville deal and this company bama rags started sending the cd's to me For the for the you know the cd shop. That i worked at an. I remember the boss who ran the places. Like how many of these did you or five year. He was like giving you know he wasn't like a mean boss. He was looking at me iro and be like you're an idiot. I can't believe you'd order. Nobody knows this guy is whatever house guy find. Whatever and then i'd gone to school yet to find a way to order the recently cd online. It was really hard but then they started really blowing up my freshman year and guess being think it's a classic you know. Fish widespread was big deal. I saw widespread at a church on campus but the music was so different it was just so different it was it was artsy folksy jazzy. So they became kind of this punchline like or is a punchline or is it a are. i don't know how you can help me out on that one google because i got no idea. Yeah there you go locked in I don't know what happened. Because i saw him again. Recently with my man. Big man. Eric chenowitz to that show in san francisco for the super bowl when he cut. I think fifteen thousand people in line in no one said anything. Because he's seven oneplus. Maybe i just walked behind him And they're they're incredible again. It's just different. So i think it just became bikini. People people got so into them. That the people that just like taylor who got so into then you became kind of a laughing stock like you became the joke and the jokes on the other people taylor. That don't appreciate the music i mean. There are plenty of bands of people like and don't like but they're became this attachment that if you're you know khaki shorts Burkes yeah birkenstocks. Because i'm like there's different looks now but the big thing for our crew like the rowing sure. I think i had one i can go to show and in row. I don't even like rowing for like a minute now to warm up Game hat cox shoutout. Just that was. You became this very very identically. Especially when you're going to college and you kind of like try to reinvent yourself a little bit and it's like okay. Wait a minute. Everybody's wearing the exact same thing. But god dammit picked patagonia vest sold out. Pete has one and i don't. Pete has three patagonia. So maybe that's it. Maybe it's that because the dave matthews thing whether it was back to me and prep school kids in new england college kids and then it carrying on now for almost three decades. Now this that the person got made for more than the ban so to share one. More dave story with you. Let's go to four fall. I don't know if the table and dreaming. I think it had just come out. Yes september ninety. Four course do that immediately. So september ninety four so that fall. They were doing their big tour again in. I'd had this backer. I kept ordering the cd's special order. During the summer. I would go back cement ninety four summer i would go back. Martha's vineyard i play the cd relentlessly in the music show every time every time somebody asks me what is this. I would hit the tracks for it and they would buy. We couldn't keep selling so many of these. I kept getting special all the time from again. I think it was. Chris bama rex shut up and so that we went to club soda in montreal and it was all. Uvm kids in saint lawrence kids and montreal's unbelievable. It's even better when you're eighteen or nineteen and you don't care and the venue was called club soda. And and maybe two hundred of us earn their. You know everybody's pre-game in you would probably get some dumpy hotel right in town and then walked to the venue. Maybe a cabinet and because it was still a little warmer. I was wearing sandals. I wasn't birkenstock guy because that was for that was for losers right. i think it was tedious. I had been an even know. Now if they're pronounced heave ortega. But i we call them tebas and clearly we will all be drinking and i made my way all the way up to the front. And you know you're in front. Whatever actually remember the girl that was kind of like dancing with. And i i mean said. This is me peak. Nineteen like whatever. And for whatever reason i think is because i had been drinking and it was also just having that much fun because it was just an electric crowd two hundred small place mat david bethel even said during the conscious like. We'll be moving to montreal razzaq. Yeah no one was from candidate in the crowd and my right foot started getting really cold and i was like what the hell is going on. I looked down and covered in blood. It's totally covered in blood and because worn sandals to fucking concert and people were drinking the saint lawrence kids control they made. Uvm kids look like frauds but saint lawrence kids were smashing glasses. Pint glasses on the dance floor. No one really was doing anything because it wasn't like a normal venue it was. It was a very small spot that sold tickets and and people went. So i cut my foot not bad but bad enough that it kept leading on glass and then i put my foot up on the front of the stage to look at it and it was like ooh that was all covered in blood and dave matthews in the middle of guitar. Solo looks down and his like. Hey are you all right now. I was like. I don't know what's going on. And then he just said hey come up on stage so i get up on stage because he wants to make sure my foot is going to be okay and i turn around and see all my goon buddies in the back and now they can't figure out why onstage dave matthews in the middle of a long extended jam extended taylor and i look back at them and i start doing it. Oh doyle rules thing hands up in the air. And then i'm thinking man. This is great the end of the show. Be hanging out with these guys. Backstage probably come close. Friends may be taking your off these guys who knows maybe get a jeep and they probably the back. There was like a dishwasher. Hose off my foot and then taped it up with a first aid kit band aid and then because i had to leave the kitchen i felt bad for that guy to leave the kitchen. I'd go back around the back. So then i lost my spot the front washington the show and then that was it and then ironically a few days later we went to go see them dental downstream. Boston behind fenway park. I forget the name of the place. I don't know if it was bills. I don't think it was bills. It was bigger than that and I was walking down the street. Because we were at some girl's apartment kenmore square. And i want to go for a walk as walking through town. I arena. Dave matthews came in. What's up. Now's i'm ryan as i cut my as i said i cut my foot. He interrupt me your foot as a guest me is like i was again. Were uvm guys. We came down all right. Ryan joined the show as it all right. Thanks dave see around. See around buddy. Hey when i get pretty famous We should catch up. So that's my day matthews story. Don't apologize for it man. But i like your self awareness. I think your whole thing is fine because you don't want to do it all the time. I don't tell that story all the time. I think i've told the twice. And i tell that story before on this podcast. Now you're never before heard. I've definitely told it told it on the air radio. I'm not sure probably not that long. 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That's gonna come out tonight into tomorrow morning so depending where you are either. Subscribe to my podcast. Subscribe to build podcast. You're going to get a full. Like i know that things are gonna go two hours. Nba preview so because we have the nba. One with bill coming out. I'm not gonna do a wednesday but to make up doing a wednesday for you. I am going to do a full christmas recap. We're gonna take that christmas night. And then it'll be out kris lately christmas night depending on where you are or early saturday morning. Back in the east coast. So that's the plan and you know that's that's how this week is all come together so still three for me. But once a preview with bill and then we'll get to the nba content at the end of the week. So that's the plan okay for this. Podcast trent dilfer. He's gonna be great. We're gonna join us very shortly. We're also going to do life advice. And i have the nfl awards a little bit later. But i'm starting with one of my favorite rants get. The teams are in. The arguments are out. We've got the four teams alabama clemson ohio state and notre dame. I'll tell you. I struggled ohio state like a lot of you do. They're six. no it's weird. It's weird all over the place. This year is part of me that thinks if it were a different team that we're six no big ten champs. They might not be well. It also depends on what else. I'm comparing it to ohio state test. I feel like the ice. I tests looked a little bit better at the beginning of the year than it did now. I know what book buckeyes fans are going to say missing twenty plus players in alava. Yeah i get. I get control the northwestern game even though it looked weird at times but the same excuses. You're using the same excuses other teams to be using for different time. Didn't look as good. Hey you're in. I'm not gonna argue against. i'm just not. I just have a fundamental problem where i go m. i buying into the jersey here in the brand a little bit more. And that leads perfectly into notre dame because there's a lot of notre dame arguments out there that nobody likes hey therein because a brand people aren't paying enough attention to the clemson win the first time in this omits it depends on what you like if you hate notre dame you just don't want him in you're gonna make a million arguments about why they shouldn't be in because we're all biased to some degree some excessively so and then you have me who went to vermont like to think you know what i like to. At least think i'm telling the truth. You're not totally biased. And how i see these things but if there's one thing that we do know about it year seven of the playoff is we don't like it. We really don't like it this year but we didn't like anything. We didn't computers when they did it with the bcs. All these other teams. We felt like we left out. We don't like the media more than ever right now. So we don't like the ap voting being part of it and they took themselves out of the bcs process so they still had the coaches poll in the harris poll. All these other polls and you look at the coaches poll. These guys are way worse than the media is so we can't even look at them and then there are all these other polls like ex players and weird stuff going on. You're like what the hell is that thing so we didn't like the old system where we just name somebody. We didn't like the bcs. We didn't like anybody that voted for it and now that we have a room with just over ten people. We definitely don't like that. Why because we don't trust people that make decisions we just don't and we have good reason not to whether it's a politician who you don't believe in which feels like a lot of them to me Or as we've had a bit of an hoa run content. Run here on this podcast. You're like wait why. Why is that the decision. Why are you guys doing this. Whether it's your school whether it's your workplace in all of a sudden win it why did you. Why did you guys decide that because we inherently don't trust the people making those decisions because let's face it. Life is a maze of trying to avoid getting fucked over because it happens to us sometimes. It's major big picture. Things that i'm not trying to minimize but i also think there's all these little things that happened along the way that just add up and it pisses us off. We put up this defensive mechanism. Where when anything is announcer decided. We think immediately the people behind it are corrupt. And i don't blame you okay now. I don't have a strong argument for number four. I just don't notre dame if you if you don't like them. You're going to say well. They didn't have trevor lawrence and honestly. I think it was the defensive front missing. People clemson more than it was trevor lawrence because the offense was fine. You just gonna argue against him. And then what you're also going to say. The decision makers wanted notre dame in. Because they're a brand. If you're in oklahoma fan. I watched all the games this year and i think oklahoma right now i might pick him against ohio state. But you know what sooners fans. You lost twice. I don't wanna hear it if it's a one loss at a better conference at windsor conference championship against me. Be another team that that isn't that profile. Like maybe i'll put the one loss team over an undefeated team but when you lose twice the losses eventually have to mean something. So i don't want to hear from you. The group of five teams. Yes you're getting screwed over sort of. I really think two different sports and an example. That would be florida. Florida who everybody likes to make fun of hung in there with alabama. It looks like they're gonna hit run out of the building in the first half. Do you think since i would do that. I know coastal carolina wooden. I'm not trying to be dismissive of cincinnati. This podcast. I think very early on was like. Hey do you watch and see daddy army. They're pretty good. I said that now. Do i think they're so good that they should be the fourteen. I think we also like disruption in this process because we're mad at the process so it's not the you're pro cincinnati. It's just you're anti all these other teams because you feel like it's the same teams over and over and over again and that it's rigged and that it's only alabama that it's only clemson that it's you know oklahoma getting into not winning game. Same thing for notre dame lsu. got in You know hook washington oregon and then of course ohio states. One this whole deal. Here's a real simple hint for all the other programs and they're mad that feel like it's just five teams to get into the playoff hole. Just go undefeated when you're conference you'll definitely get in just win a power five conference go undefeated no-one stopping usc from going thirteen. And just do that. And we'll get some different teams and but these have been the better teams in recruiting rankings. Bear that out but to the point of the group of five. I'm not anti group of five. I've just pro reality. And the reality is at no point would cincinnati lineup against the three and five teams. Like lsu florida lose lsu massive favorites at home. Lsu's playing their third string quarterback who really should have been their first string quarterback and they're missing all sorts of players receivers and tight ends opting out. That lsu team is bad as it's been this year. Probably his twenty pros on that team. There's no scenario hell. I don't even know. If the scenario is the case were three and five big ten or certainly not pac twelve team. But there's no scenario in a group of five game where cincinnati our playing the fifth or sixth place team in this conference. Yeah they have twenty pros. Also so yeah. I think that matters it matters to me. It doesn't matter as much to you. Because you're a fan of cincinnati. And i'm not even telling you you're wrong in one game one game situation. Maybe then he's able to beat one of these teams but it's clear the committee they're not out to get you they just don't want to include you but it gets back to constantly thinking you're getting fucked over that it can't be as simple as schedule it has to be because the entire system is out to get me and it's not even just a group of five think about jimbo. Fisher jimbo fisher. Who's out now said quote no team. Sec history has lost but one game and not been in it the other leagues. I love them all. But if we can't play in this league and being the playoff something's wrong. Okay jimbo fisher. Let's remind you won a national title. Florida state in two thousand thirteen. If you remember florida state fans because you do because you were really fucking brutal. The deal with that year in fourteen. Your team was winning games. You weren't as impressive there. A lot of stuff going on down there. People were more critical florida state. Because guess what. You've won a title now. Our expectation of you is to be just as good but jamison plays. Well there's a lot of stuff going on. The lot of people talked about over and over and over again and florida state. Twitter went crazy. About all these conspiracies where you're one of the big boys you just wanna title and by the way they got into the playoffs that year and get smoked by oregon. But think about what jimbo fisher said just now about the part of this and think about what he said six years ago in interview about the sec and the espn conspiracy that he believed in when he was in the acc vicar. Why florida thanks to have daughters nationally because one diplomat yesterday's leak and two we were so dominant last year. Yes the money thing now. I remember the so well. Because jimbo came by later on and he was in studio with van pelt and i i said to him i go coach. I understand where your motives are but when you stir up an entire fan base with a quote about how the espn sec deal. Means that we're just going to be more. We're more critical of florida state because we hold you a higher standard after title just like we do with every other team from any other conference so when you say. It's the espn sec relationship. When has all of these relationships with all of these major programs because of the conference tv deals. You're just working people up like do you understand that and jimbo cut me down. Perfectly actually surprised he just looked at me and said oh good to know so there was going to be no dialogue. He ended any idea of any kind of dialogue whatsoever but it was still true. I was right then. He was wrong just like he's wrong now. This isn't why was the sec. Espn deal part of the conspiracy when you are in the acc. But now it isn't because notre dame gets in. I don't really want to argue notre dame and in because i already know what your arguments are going to be. I could make a strong case for each team. Is i could against but i don't really feel like doing it because i'm not super passionate about it. But what i m passionate about is getting back to us as fans getting back to our lives and getting back to jimbo fisher. Who was seventy five million still thinks that everyone is out to get him. Because that's what life is about a repeat it. We're always waiting for that little moment. Where we're going to get fucked over coming around the corner because it's always there we deal with in our every day locks whether it's hoa guy who emails in i'm going through my own hoa thing right now twenty five dollar find a day. Because i didn't have my emergency contact information for house. I haven't lived in years. And they keep sending the mail to the wrong. new house was like hey. Can we figure out a way to do this. Sorry on vacation. well you know. Those fines are going by twenty five dollars a day. Because i don't have a contact. Hartfield out yeah. You should have done it. Yes i should have. Yes should gone undefeated right. I should have handled my business. But i also shouldn't be getting screwed over like this but it happens constantly for young kids out there with your credit scores. Don't know any better yet. At two free tickets to the american express card and a five hundred dollar credit limit when you show up on campus. It's cool to have that in your wallet. We used to have wallets back in the day. I did it getting the card. The irony is. I got the two plane tickets. I never use them. Because i didn't have enough money to actually if i landed do anything once i got somewhere but then you go wait houses credit score thing work. Oh that's what they do. I never got set a bill. I'm like oh. I guess that bill's gone now. The bill never goes away. They just send it the wrong address again. These things happen. I'm making small examples but think about buying a house. You have a price in mind you have a number you're approved at but guess what your realtors likely doing telling their realtor what you're approved for and their realtors. Probably telling your real terrible like yeah. They're actually get divorced. They're gonna move this thing now. Is that nasty. No but it's part of the whole thing of life where you're like. Wait do you have my back. Or what's actually going on here mortgage companies you save you. Want your little slice of the american dream. You've got your twenty percent down payment because that's everybody's told you you've picked out the house you've been approved everybody's agreed on a price and then the mortgage company says. Hey you know we'd really love twenty five percent down at the last minute stocks for those of you. That didn't understand the wash sale rules. How horrifying was that in the beginning. You're like wait wash sale. What the hell was that again. It's still kind of our fault. But it's a horrifying thing. Once you discover these things you like. What y oh so. I'm going to get killed on this and they're smaller things. Okay in by business. Every one of us on air think our agents aren't doing a good enough job. I am very happy to. Icm right now for listening but everyone on air and we're slightly delusional about this. We think our agents just could do better and it's a very extremes like our agents discuss fucking me over now. The ages think we're all crazy but it happens. It's happening to you depending on what kind of job you have. But some of you say you're in sales you think you're putting up good numbers and you're like there's that guy that guy jeff. He's got an office and it might be. Because i think he might have played lacrosse at half with the ceo's kid like is he getting over on me. Does he have a better deal than i do. And then you can work yourself up at start believing all of this stuff when it might not even be true because it does always happen whether it's your food order being wrong or your kid on a youth team and you think the coaches screwing your kid over. Not getting them in of time. And maybe it's just because you're a crazy parent. I remember when. I discovered the hotel. Parking thing when i was like wait every time i check my bill which. I didn't do until my thirties. Because i want to get out of here i'd be like wait. Perking thirty eight bucks. I didn't even have a car. Oh sorry sir. We'll take that off like we is this normal and it is normal. They do it. All the time subscription programs. it's a great business model. 'cause nobody cancels them banks bills. You guys ever do the deal when you're broke like i did in my twenties. Where if you were just above that equator of a zero balance and they let the huge transaction. Go through even though. It's the newest one. So that that way all the track transactions that were happening before it that were smaller. All add up to more fees and you're thinking okay. Yes this partly my fault bad out of conference schedule but i still wanna blame somebody else because that's not fair it's constant it's buying a car in wondering not hey am i gonna get screwed over. It's how bad am. I going to get screwed over and then go back checking research. Seeing the car for a different price damage had happened again. Security deposits i remember. I rented a place vacation place. Yes i was in my twenty s. I don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. But i remember like hey we did a good job. We raged for three days. But we didn't break anything we're good we clean the whole place out. That's great hysterical. Realtor crying saying sorry. We have to keep your deposit. You broke the couch. It was a local rental. I found out later. Because i was from the place that they had this trick couch that they would break the frame to keep your five hundred bucks every time. And you're like you know what. I actually cleaned the place. And i'm twenty three. Nobody expected that out of me. I didn't expect that out of me. I try to do the right thing. And i'm still getting fucked over so when your football team doesn't get in because they aren't good enough you might be right but you certainly believe you're right because you're used to it happening to you all the time. So why would football be any different. Because sometimes you just a guy on the couch with a twenty dollar teaser. 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We all know that. It's trent dilfer long. Nfl career and The head coach. Outon tennessee is well lipscomb. So let's Let's start here. The headline game was kansas city. New orleans i don't think any of us are shocked. That kinsey wednesday game new orleans. Valiant effort breeze gets back out there. I wanna start with something that we saw in the broadcast and that was the way the coverage was for new orleans. Romo started talking about adjustments. That mahomes would be making with receivers. He basically was asking us some of them. Stop there in cuts. just stop. sit down and find that soft spot. So what is that actually like. Can you give me an example. The listeners example story of the things that you see is a quarterback and how that conversation works out and does it always work. is it as simple. Saney receiver hades. Stop or. Let me go back shoulder on you. Which wasn't probably as prevalent when you guys played as it is now because you just get away with it but help me understand that adjustment in the game how that conversation works or so searching training camp you have your base concept so you know every everybody's different but say you go in to the season i'll use arbitrary number hundred asshole bots that might be a little higher for several by might be for us all them have rules so you have. Let's say it's three by one. Read through secret on one side one receiver on the other. You're going to run a vertical clear out your number three received tight end number two going gonna run like an eight yard and your number one or outside is fourteen sixteen yard rap and rock behind it basic concept. Almost everybody uses it. Everything has rules. Are you wrap it a hundred times. But in of course of training camp might say. Hey you know we're going to play a team asses off the birtles backside safety in wants to jump the dig route by the frontside safe if that happens and you see that starting to you know use rapid that whole out frontside safe driving odyssey to and i just wanted to pull up in a numbers. I don't want to keep running it as he did that for everyone. That's why practices so important walkers so for communication jane quarterbacks and skill guys who some meetings are important. It's all imports right. What happened yesterday. Was the the saints. Were pattern matching. So what that means is there hovers they lined up in a What is the route involves practice against. These routes at the chiefs are running and they matched them so they say okay. Number three goes vertical. That means i wanna drive number two and the frontside safety is going to drive. Number one azoff number three in the backside saved i know sounds dorky except that in conversations that atkins receivers out in training camp. There wasn't a training cancelled fault early in the season essner installing or last year. Maybe or going out of driveway and just saying hey. Let's go over some stuff right. Yeah absolutely that's why these part workouts were for these guys went other places in hit out report because these are the conversations are out. It's not throwing catch. Like the media. Makes southbound okay. We're going to wear montana. They're playing catch with of on candidate always different situations. That could come up to the season and making sure they'd touch days and then work. The actual adjustments the hillside. Oh okay this is what's happening. They're not playing cover. Six like docker do their pattern next and everything so you get to the top. You're out instead of running it running into that safety. Driving put on the brakes turn in warwick curl route and the ball we out of my hand by the time. You're getting to the talk. And who's this nice little window of barren the safeties driving through an area that he thinks you're going to. You're not going to be there so when everyone wants to say. Oh he that cats dot cap sometimes man coverage where it's kaffirs hat. But a lot of these complex adjusting batch cells that are going on at the communication sideline you have to just for that. And then you've got to trust a revenue bottom. Three months ago is gonna be able to exit a high on a sunday. Who do you have the most trust in that. Eugenic shannon sharpe shannon. My life changed our shared. Sharpe so i played with some really and again they work superstar in. They're good solid. Football players make good relationships. And you know we were backward up to the didn't really know roger of all i ask baltimore as machine. Shannon would have shell across katryn. I'm gonna lease underneath the end of this time. So the will aker thinks that he's sitting there waiting for me on the shell across and by him before he sees so trust office. Even though zona run through. I had never been around or anything like that. Shallow cross the will backer dropping zone at the shaw across Hook now for shannon. We would run a play where he went to an art. Release a wide release. It rounded about eight yards museum and against the top guys on the inside. I'm going to speed up this out. I might what to run a hook route. Your managed i trust inside that san linebacker secret running back the flat and i'm a steed cut out of that. Getting on children would get another ten to twelve for the and it was great for me in training camp out of the back of a training camp. But i've got a lot of one's wraps to work with these guys Padres snows another. Cadre snow was a fast guy but really smart i and he will talk about. Hey cover to when. I'm running a day inside. Release order hall of be patient. I'm gonna show a little corner move the go higher to wide mcwhorter. Just trust me. Alabama the court movement all come in and it was a versa. Microwave guys just owes snap on the fly based on what they saw. Seattle west coast. Offense became very very good at that. Matthew hasselback and i talked a lot about derrick. Jackson came really good Bobby ingram an underrated. Receiver sakai usually wallace. Talk inside atrium. Type sock is for the patriots. Have those guys and he would run. A lot of routes that we would call called a sit route. We call it an auction row at eight yards. He would run on different variations based on what he saw as he started around the route. So i long time that would change in so the best passing teams are able to make these adjustments in game on the silent sometimes in the huddle. Sometimes it'd be in the huddle. Hey bobby play played a lot of hard outside. Technique are trying to funnel you edge. The help safety a whole safety. You gotta give something different top. Say that in the huddle and next thing you know he's he's running like a inside fade release rates on back inside create more safety for that inside saiki becoming well. There's another part of that game. Where the lead with brees and be in her the broken ribs for anybody. That's have broken ribs to tell you it's one of the most painful things ever is just all like your at a moment where you can't breathe in it hurts Well also the brief. That is the most miserable experience. I don't remember pillages this g. rated r. gas goes to the toilet. He's one of the worst experiences of your life. What's normally a very enjoyable experience. You handle correctly he comes. This terrible experience broken. I can understand. We're talking contractions here Right right no. I mean look. I've been lucky my father's had broken ribs twice and he was talking to me about it the whole time because he's like. There's no way five weeks later. This guy feels this good. And i go okay. That he doesn't feel good and they cleared him anyway. It also could be that he's had probably better medical treatment dad than you have for the last five weeks but they put on the flack jacket or whatever wooded i mean. He got off to one of the worst starts of his career. I guess you could argue at the end that they they made a late drive there. That looked better. I think we know that it has a lot more to do with game and situation. But what's the worst before the breeze part. What's the worst injury you've ever played with. I've played a lot of bad. Ones bro. the worst coming out of a tunnel. The worst i felt come out at tunnel was intercostal tear which is rid wining and a broken rib And i tried to play three weeks after back when i broke of bone in my back and try to play too You know you can you're adrenaline gets you through some of it and you. You convince yourself that you could be everything you normally are because you want to be a tough guy but in reality your brain is completely focused on the other stuff you should be doing. And that's while give you a little bit of a hall pass is a true talk guy. Wrestlers everybody position. He's also fight for his job a little bit a. He wants to be the quarterback warren the play offs and he says live done this before. I can do it again and you get a game and you're saying okay. I can do this convention software so talk. I'm good i'm good. I'm good until you're not and then all you're thinking about us on my gosh. What did i give myself into. I'm just in survival mode instead of thrived boat. And i think that's what happens so a lot of tough guys when they try to play. I know what happened to me a multiple times. Is you wanna do your case. It's not a narcissistic thing. It's a. I wanna be there for my teammate. Same because i'm the guy with better chance if i'm playing if i've played well But you get into the spine ursa bigger. Do they like. Oh my gosh endo scanty martial arts. He's gonna kick my butt. And that's how you regain like oh. I thought i could handle this but all my brain is focused on how much i heard it come. I can't do. Okay gonna find another to do it while if i can't throw the deep out when i looked out pump it and maybe shower cross frappes third twelve. Michelle crosses the first out as just a secular pattern. You get into game where you're trying to compensate because you're playing her and it's a it's a tough woman. None of a coach. I think about if i a player who was trying to do that i let him play. Because there's part of it where you want the guy to be able to show up teammates and get the pills on on the wall and be heroic and there's a reality show where he's not gonna things that need him do for us to be successful. I think that's chump eight That's true i got into. This is something. I'm going to do a little bit later because it would make a great radio tees. But i'm not ready to do it. I guess i'm just. I'm a little worried about what i've seen from to It's also the way they're not using him. That scares me it it. Sometimes i feel like they don't trust him so i'll just ask it this way. Is there any version of this in five years. Were jalen hurts to being the better pro quarterback than to nokia. And i get i. I'm in the bias campus. I've known forever helped redraft myself. If i didn't even if i've never met the kid and only watch there's zero chance that jalen is i was bullish on jalen out. I thought he could be an. Nfl quarterback given time. He's definitely got some mechanical issues. He's gonna miss some gimmes He's not a cure passer He's more of a butcher type. Passer a guy that has the big physical horse. Power are not necessarily the nass asser. He's going to help the run navy's fantastic leaders tough guys all the stuff that i thought no adult up at all but up and there's a chance in the racist in the sky. Contriving fell tubas a house he is. He does stop chant. Teach get it. Watch the game. And it's more in a manager role. And i asked you and that's what they need to be. They're not released offense. They're also playing very close to the vest their ref- as complementary team they're trying to maximize every single opportunity that yet the fact that he can do that when he's coming from a situation where west kinda pedal to the metal wide open about of all the time actually is a compliment to orcas many highly aggressive hashers. Many guys that are uber. Talented are very comfortable with high risk stuff when you ask them to kind of pull back the reins they have more managerial role. They can't do. It is just not in their dna To do it. And i think that's says a lot about him. They will build this thing around. They will again. He's what six five starts into this. I know i understand. It's it's super. i'm not even offer the two of thing. I just don't like we're down. Don't think they're built to take the deep shots that made him so special the way at say and how right they just don't do the stuff that i loved it alabama and a half to get there to give the most absolutely not. They're not going to do this but they asked me to. Come in vienna consultant. I would say number one thing to do is go get rocks or go. Get not run. waddle waddle. Go get whoever the twitchy as fast as best doubt smack us now bama guys but there's other guys too in college football go get one of these guys that is a the player roadrunner type player and let's start going before vertical package in and mastering the because it's called seattle alabama. We actually are pleased to after two because he might be the best for vertical passer. I'd ever seen at any and it's not in the offense it often. I so but you've got to have the right people to do it. Said he right you no. That's all they don't they don't pay around all you don't say oh. We need to run this concept. Because the quarterbacks good at they say when we have the people we're going to run concepts that we have the people that could maximize and right now they have the people who do the for her so whence is a backup. Maybe for the rest of the year. His contract tells is going to be a starter against somewhere. I don't know if that's that is in philadelphia again. It depends on who you talk to in all the different ramifications. There's a lot of teams that you can figure out a way to make stuff happen financially but the the part of it this has become very much like Some of these other topics where it's there's jalen camp now and there's a whence camp in the in the whence camp is like this ridiculous. Jane mechanic. I never want to hear from this guy again. And the fact that wentz there was a report coming out sunday. I don't know if that was by him. I don't know if that was by design to have it be out before the game. That's what the anti once people tell you again. I don't know what to believe with this. But it's going to be a backup. It's going to suck to be really good at one point. And then be the franchise guy feel like you're going to be there for ten years. What is that like being a backup. And you're never the wentz level of like almost in the max money. Nfl deal but to have to suck up the fact that you're so disappointed. I i know it's your job. I know you're all paid but that's gonna be a brutal thing to deal with. I can speak to some pretty well. naroda wasn't mvp caliber in tampa. Ninety seven hosts quarterback. Take the bucks. The playoffs. In seventeen years i went to a pro ninety eight at big expectations we did. I didn't play great whilst have very good offenses some disappointing and ninety nine I get benched and eventually hurts and after watch shaun king Play kind of take the team and her data lousy say of this morning i get up is really true as quarterbacks you invest so much in this thing and when you're the guy for so long a you you take ownership of there it's your team it's nor is it. There's something there's a bond that's better than just being the quarterback taken away from you. You see another guy. I think your wife cheating. You know it's you you. It's so painful. It's so devastating to have so much. Ported does something and then see another person take ownership up and i what is one of the more painful experiences of my career I try really really hard not to be better about anything. In life. bitter bitterness only hurts the person that's better if there's one area of bitterness that maybe i haven't let go of in my entire and you know my life very complicated of it's that moment is that moment when i remember saying h would be playing. I should be playing. These are my guys. I better that guy and yet it's his team and i knew it. I knew it at the moment. I'm never never gonna be my teeth again and arsons going through that and it's brutal Fake it do you to fake as you say what you have to. You gotta be a good teammate team. Team team You sign up for something bigger than yourself and as hard as as a pro player. That's the false learn is player but even as a player you're signing up for is ultimately about tea and if my new role i have to be something that i have bid and six years in person what is five years for him if i got to be something that i haven't been for a while but it helps the team and i gotta do and my character and is on the line here and i gotta make sure that i'm all into the team and it's brutal it. Is you wake up in the morning game. Day and your dredge the game. You're dreading it is the last thing you want to be a part of because know for three and a half hours every cameras going on you you have to fake it till you make it but you also offensive edgier teammates and be helping the guidance planned for i remember. I remember being in oakland We were really good. And we smoke. By the raiders in. Oh and sean was really struggling and had to be there on the sidelines with pictures. Back up battery south opponent fixtures. Shortlist that we can. You can make something out of this chain. Here's a picture is the covered with doing having seen this yet. It's not that big a deal. You have have the tools to fix this in game and trying to hope can be successful. Do hit being successful was to my democtrats and the i did it with matt hasselbeck. You matthew did it with me. Matthew was benched. I became the dude in seattle. It was my gig. Until i got hurt. I was going to be there for ten years. Multiple bro holes play. My best football about one gotten hurt and not just you benching Got traded was. The guy didn't play very well off season. I get all the money now. Essay by backup if he's on the sidelines. Why respecting and so much. He's on the sidelines. Helping me as if he's a coach and he knows more successful. I am the lesser. His career is going to be yet. He still helping me be successful in day. I mean it's one of those weird dynamic. Nfl but if you get the quarterback room right it can be really good. It backed by. That's struggling has four character and his the backup is Disaster purity to to be cans. Keep looking at the young. Qb's as As we like to all the time. I teach you up a bit on this. I don't know if you're definitive on it but if you were just looking it not just the young guys but i mean five years in that much. I don't like what people say the next ten years because everybody just picks all the young guys but the next five years do you have. Do you have your list of who you would want a quarterback. Send me this. Prepare for it and i did i. You know i hate less. I'll do it for you all right like you. So there's no i do it now. Patrick will still be. Homes will still be one of the best guys next five years by the best. I say josh allen is he's going to be one of those guys are blown away by him. It's unbelievable man. I still can't wrap my brain around it. And i was illicit created this week for one of the guys. That wasn't hard on them pre-draft but i still hard on was going to be a three or project. This guy has read or stars. Guys'll be gifts he's talked he's smart he's wa. I can see why you're drafting but be patients yet. We didn't have to be very. I mean he was free but still. The there aren't many quarterback success stories where it looks bad for two years. And now we're talking about a franchise like hey you guys are probably good enough for ten years that that's how i know people wanna push back. I think he was very good for a long time. Like i thought he was trubisky level different. But i felt like oh. You know what you're probably going to have to go back to the drawing board on this guy here again. I thought you were moments. Where you're because he was so good against alison thanksgiving game. Too much credit for like being close in one of the pads games is like he didn't really play that well to me. He's a completely different guy and it's unbelie because i don't think you see that very often words two years starch. Or you're like. I don't know we have your to this. Is our quarterback part is solved So those two herbert yeah. I talked to a couple of their coaches last week Just verify what i've seen and they're blown away like they're they're wrong by the worker. It is how he's figure stuff out he's figured out nece might be the greatest gift of human can have is figure out figure stuff out He's got fair us. He's tough he's really grown into a leader like he's he leaves his own ways. Not a since. Throats shares be all volatile with his leadership but he. He connects with his teammates. He's really earn. Respect of of the veterans and how house connected and then instincts and. This is the one that you know every year on my valuation sheets. There's is instinct box. And it's so subjective but i think this is where guys that have played the physician navy better evaluation of quarterbacks to china sea when a guy has in states. And you're like oh. I remember being in that position. How did he see that. Feel that at a no. That was gonna happen. Nakai has good instincts. His instincts are off the charts. Which your really see a ton of it So herbert would be three I still think to shawn watson. And i think he's a he's a generational type player. He's just surrounded in a bad situation this year if they get that thing right at the john watts about list. That's four and then i'm gonna use my bias here because at leaving the kid. But also believe in the franchise right now is to put him as five. You gave us a list. Okay so somebody that other people would have on their list. probably i dunno five would-be high when he hasn't played a game yet. But that's trevor lawrence. The trevor lawrence story had into the jets. We all know it jets. When the game jacksonville's in the driver's seat is trevor lawrence on fuck coupable setback. The right. i wasn't sure i was. I didn't know. I didn't think my chances of saying it in the first take. But that's that's what i wanna know. Because there are plenty of quarterbacks that are But you know he's he's a cleanest prospect was jetsons. Andrew luck. I know he can still be jacked up. Okay yeah he he It's says my did when i was julius thing. It's it's the most influential position for the most dependent physician sport You can't be lebron. James quarterback you can't put team on your. I know sean is challenging that right now. But he'll right. I mean to sean is unbelievable and i ate watching it sometimes. Yes but you're seeing why can't right. Exactly yeah okay perfect. I'm so glad you brought that if he goes to a place with a offensive with poor offense division so much of its scheme base in the nfl. So much is okay. What are we gonna do scheme. Wise to get the most lease in the best from the best. How are we going to maximize our people. How are we talking. The physician to fail How are we going to build the people around you. Have the cheetos replace dozen oppor tax him with assault offensive line. I think it starts there. You don't have to be the best but you gotta be solid and the gotta fit your guys after fit what you're trying to do from texas land standpoint in a run game i if you don't have to other dynamic top fifty players late so usually a runner and a task catch. That could be tight end in a runner at can be a receiver a rudder but you gotta have the runner in the past catcher. Then you need kind of the guy one hundred two hundred as your number two. Whether that's tied ed. That's a slot guy. Whatever it is it you don't have back. Yeah he screwed up. He is fantastic. So i is bullish on trevor's anybody nor since he was fifteen years old he does have lots. Okay so whoa what are they. The narrative started going a direction about twelve months ago. Where you're like. Oh he has no flaws. He's perfect. I know he's not he's superlaw. Okay so he's super long in his delivery gig on stri ball goes way back left guest worldwide. He's found a way because he's such an athlete to quicken matt up. But it's still really long so you watch clemson in tight with the pocket gets shoved in his lap is when you see a lot of his air speech so all antithesis. The is to aaron rodgers super twitchy. Ross notices coming to me right now but guys that can play like literally in the small in a in a phone booth in london. No those booster even tighter than american phone booth. Yes sure boost. General are on the decline. But yeah i get it. Yeah said no guys can play in those type orders as they rotate so well. They're not disagreeing meeting long than that. Hor physical confidence in the parking gets pushed back into So i think that's one and again. These are not de cents. The this is taking the hottest chicken the world and trying to find some flaws in her. Okay so it in context he's he. He also bore a half field. You know what they do at clemson so arco base it. They split the field half almost every single and most the time he's wrong he does a good job getting to two as well so i never. Rg three rg three entire career. At baylor through the number to six times sex. Dude it's unbelie was baylor fans can't understand. Why bring a baylor. All the time but at baylor is the best example when it was brussels of the easiest concepts read and again. if you're browsing that staff you go. Hey we're putting up fifty. What's the problem. And you go absolutely but from the quarterback evaluation. Whether you're saying it. Louis riddick being in studio with me once they go. What's the problem probably goes. It is the least applicable to sunday of any offense you will ever see in college football and so when i point that out and again this is my entry level understanding of it. There's a huge difference that we're seeing it like. I think of it with field sometimes at ohio state i was hired him before and now that was like hey wait wiser a safety now on the one like what the hell. I usually just throw that. It's the post. And it's a touchdown wise. They're another guy there now and it's it's messed him up a little bit so i'm just i guess i'm expanding on what you're talking about because i'm just so glad that you've said it because there are times with clemson again usually number one is always an nfl guy for them anyway. But it's something to be said about trying to figure out what the second third reads are. Because you're going to have to figure that part out of it and that's why there's so many misses at the position so and again we wanna make. Trevor does a nice job of getting to gets it to when it's in frontal so if you're listening to this right out think of taking a football fields and football field and slit math throw the ball your rights and you're gonna have a salt corner route by your inside. Receivers is gonna go eight steps to the corner and your outside guy is gonna run or steps out and sit or commits a basic snapshot. Stop everybody at every high school in america. College pros all right. So you're looking at the corner you want us or the owner. I got a great arm. I can throw the for her. No i can't they got saw. Okay the other guys right in front of me okay. He's literally standing right in front of me. He's in by vision. Obama throw hip. Drivers are really good job at those either. Or's either after up their or their high low low hot in out. You know those basic concepts and most do or two men concepts it other thing mildew third out if you see we're gonna work the right side but if you see an extra flare a the allying back or somebody go. The right thing is back to the left. We have a one on one with a really talented player for him. Or how you look at it. Split in half on sticking to that side of the field. They do the really successful that they got better. Willies jones than most people. Do so you really successful at it in the nfl of someone exchange. Okay so day you have many of those. You typically had a rebound rebound balls the balls so much you can play eighty percent of your day in the either or world but that twenty percent is what gets you to the super bowl at twenty percent is what made you mahomes right now. Josh on can't leave saying that josh allen and that's like off looked so bad some sunday yes. Goff is is a half. Your guys. Action guy reads half-fulfilled most of the time That's gonna learn. It's but to say that trump is going to step in day one and look like when the top five guys in the league. I find a hard time leaving. They're still going to be some growth and asked to happen. Have to tweet him. Can't fix yet to just tweaked him and over time. Bring wide and tighten it up. And that's very doable. Okay you have to put pressure on him to read boundary to boundary and get him uncomfortable. How he reads defenses so that he can evolve a sideline to sideline passer. The other thing is this. He gets overly confident with his arm. He has a very good on. He doesn't the greatest arm in the his triple He has a very good armless. Go one attended got an eight. He tries to make throws that our tenth throws to off. And what you're going to see is when his receiver is an sold superior to the corner. He's throwing it against or the safety is for. Boston is now from the hatreds instead of boston. College you're going to start writing checks. Your body can't hatch. And i think that's all of us that have big arms. We have to learn the hard way. Because we've been able to make you've been able to do stop for so long. That can't be convinced you're not gonna do it in the nfl until you can't do it in the nfl. And i think that's the biggest thing about patrick mahomes in sitting for one year i think the biggest thing patrick patron number one is protections had to learn protection schemes. Number two was that he has the greatest arm ever even he. Trump doesn't try to make every single throw as he sat there and watched outer tried to make that texts that would've worked and he got to see it and he learned from somebody else making a mistake instead of making it. So is it okay if we title this podcast. Trent dilfer does it. Like trevor lawrence. Here's why because that'll do better. My numbers statements like i love it yet. I know you do. I know you've pointed out some things that you know. This is fine. this is fine. Do we haven't heard it. We just haven't heard from anybody that i said this morning too. I don't think the gap is big. Is everybody's saying between trevor and here's why I had a guy really respect. Nfl phony last week from washington fields tape early to the to the party year and he's blowing me away. He's everything is opposite. What i being totally. It's and i said yeah. I you know i've been kind of say that mcquay about let me watch tapes. I am on vacation center in front of the fire. I put on three games of just like whoa. This guy's really grow now the other day like it but you watch this tape. And he's doing stuff that people say he can't do tight window throws out cuts getting a number two so bans getting number free Feel More or having wider field vision Handling the pocket. he's not just when he gets pressure. Jumping up and use it as four or five spe- in his two hundred thirty thousand frame to go ron zach significantly netflix. In the pocket. he needs to progressions. He's running their best concept really well. It's really hard concept to regia multiple. Crossers you guys see trade offs and as horizontally and vertically is really impressed with it. And what i think's going to happen. I think the bigger part of this conversation. Don't trust the. I'm an old washed-up high school coach. But the only guys are really done. The work right our tv guts. So jeremiah's amazing mcshea. who's amazing. These guys are both really the quarterback position to show cause most times. Tv guys aren't bertha quarterback. The nfl guys have more. So they're they're trying to find a way to get to gain right as an organization right they're dealing with injuries and roster jets justice. Knock land their home stadiums. They're all don't don't lie to yourself fan at the. Nfl crowd is student. They're studying fields and more solving their same thing need to arrive there watching on tv. Oh yeah that guy. Does this elite that guy. He's not good at this when they start doing the work and they start really diving deep even every single snap in the why beats between a lion everything now. I vigorously the gap close. Jim morrison fields. And it's going to be one of those either are like i'm finding we're both going to be on the nfl. I'm better. i felt that way. I'm gonna let you go. But i felt that way earlier on when i started saying. Hey i don't know that gap is that big. And then i guess the i mean we can sit here. We complain kobe. And we can talk about everybody's gonna use the excuse that you offer them. I just felt like there were. Some more throws were fields. it was just. He was so used to certain routes being wide open and then when they stopped being open he was still make the throw and then it would be like what the hell out of that not work out and going wait a minute like they figured some things out to and that was the only thing that made me go wooo because i think the physical stuff to fields is more impressive than a lot of these guys. It just is. And you're not wrong. And i don't you know you're not wrong with what you saw. What when you start watching a game tape. You see that happen in week. Two weeks three in the second half. He's fixed it and like whoa last week. He tried to jam that thing in there. Have you watched the northwestern tapia. I have i the off on tv in my. They did on tv. And i know that. That's i mean that's what drives me crazy about. My job is that. I spent all this time talking about this stuff and i'm never seeing if i'm supposed to actually see it but it was clear. What the drops coverage against them and it's a good secular northwestern it screwed him up a little bit and others. The sooner they got off a passing the quicker they would've won that football game and they were control all over but again you're right and less. I see it and see what decisions he might have actually had a great game because he wasn't he wasn't taken the bait. The one thing ryan's and really good job. What writes a lot of great things. Stay but one thing. I they beat involved with since irving laugh is housing first. Meaning we're in space in the events by showings bomblet complex passing concepts and had the best wide receiver bosses year after year. So they haven't really talented guys. But justin's been exposed to a lot of the passing. He's not going to go the nfl. It'd be like oh. I've never done that. What are you talking about their. I've never seen this concept they'd actually introduced to a lot of passing on sets. I guess going to serve him well and he's gonna learn both of them gonna okay. Both like is great as borough as before he got hurt he'd still learned a lot and made some really stakes. Her is novels. He's been he so gets tricked often. Like when you watch the game day ooh he got out he did see or while they really see what up. Well so you have to see what's going on back side or while. That runningback saved him from app. He had no idea that guy was so they're all learning on the fly. You sekondi screwed up. They can be screwed up if they don't have a system back for text them early on wall. they're learning franken short and solo interview by twenty minutes legislative setback. It system for them from what they don't know while they're learning they can be sued. That's a great. Trent dilfer joins us about once a month. Here on the podcast. And i want you to get back to your vacation. Thanks man four brazilian our nfl awards and built on legacy update. We got those. 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I mean still holds up pretty well. I think i mean not josh de mel levels. But he's holding up and let's see here. he was the cool guy. His girlfriend dumped him for a guy that was going to be like a star or was the star and some reality tv show or i think he actually in the movie leaves for the road rules. Challenge which you know. I don't even know how that copywriting stuff works. Shout out to the movie producers to get that done but there's a nerd girl and she's a nerd because she has glasses on and everyone in one thousand nine hundred nine. That was a girl that had glasses was a nerd. She was an artist and then because he breaks up. He takes in about that. He can make her homecoming queen prom queen and prom queen and then they actually fall in love so sorry i ruined the movie for you but if you can see that coming don't even know how you make it through any analogies on this podcast and the reason it goes to the tampa bay boxes that sometimes it looks really bad and it literally bad against atlanta seventeen. Nothing at the half. And i'm like wait this team. Now i picked the saints. Make the super bowl. But i think we put the bucks in that group based on expectations per cell and brady. I still think it's pretty good. I'm not saying you know he's the best during like that but it's still think he's pretty good and the after seventeen half to two. Lana what so that was kind of the version of a football team wearing glasses. They take the glasses off and they come back now. A positive thing for bucks fans here is there. Were four nne three this season. They are foreign three now this season after falling behind by at least ten points they were two and thirty five in those games. Jameis winston i. That's that's a nice number. They're they're nine and five seed records. Pretty good statistically the defense is still holding up so maybe there's a lot to like here. Maybe they go on a bit of a run but the problem is we've done this with them and we've done this with them or even harder on them because again it gets back to our original expectations of what they could be as a team. But when you look back at the results like oh that's not that bad. They lost the rams that defense. And we'll get to that jets. Part of this little bit later achieves there. She made a competitive. You know the first game of the saints as good of the second. One wasn't very bad. You know the bears loss was close. Yeah but i'm reminding you. The buccaneers were the art student with glasses. Because if you go back and remember what it felt like in the moment they did lose to. What time was that number one. Nfc number one nfc bears team. Yeah they were the number one seed at five and one That infield real time. Yes the bucks had a lot of penalties. But that's that's just a game. They shouldn't lose they have the rematch new orleans. Were excited that. It's it's arguably one of brady's worst tickle games he's ever had but if you really look at some of the picks and how he was doing some of stuff it was like this is so bad i just going to get the ball up in the air and it was a disaster so he gets smashed in that one and we were all watching it they had two hundred fifty yards of offense against the rams they were down seventeen. Nothing to the chiefs like that remember. All the tyree kills stuff that was happening so when it's looked bad it's actually looked pretty bad so many guys like girls with glasses. I do too sometimes but you know it's on glasses who so what i'd ask you. His is as great as another. Comeback is for the bucks it's cool. You took your glasses off. But i may be more attracted to you now but are we going to get along. You know. that's all we never knew about that. Movie is things are better now. It looks like she got with a stylised. Which wasn't part of the script but is it going to hold on. Are we gonna have the same views on our kids. You want homeschool. maybe i don't I like my kid to play sports. Maybe you don't. I was worried about the long term ramifications of that relationship because the foundation wasn't strong the same way even though a comeback for the bucks again is really good. There are moments where i think long term. Are we going to be able to work this out. It's kinda like the bucks. Were the first hour of that movie. Real like okay. Yeah great comeback. But what was what the shades. This is the greenie tease award. And really what it is stuff. I'd like to ask but i'm kind of afraid to now. If you don't know mike greenberg how do you not greenie is incredibly talented is good at driving. Show as anyone. I've ever been around in the business. I consider him a friend. So i don't want him to think that i'm making fun of him because i'm not i'm making fun of the green tea's in that when i worked at. Espn there were people that are absolutely obsessed with teasing and yes a head to the next topic is smart. Like you don't want to just sit there and say all right we're going to go to commercial six and a half minutes because he's going to change jail on you what you're always trying to do with a strong. Tease was make sure somebody was like. Oh maybe i'll stick around and you know as consumers of radio talk. Radio is probably how you landed on my podcast. But you would have those moments you go. Wow that was pretty good. I'm really interested in. Maybe i'm going to sit in a car. That was always the goal. We'd have these meetings and talk about show in. You'd say you got to get that person to stay in the car. Because they got to hear what's coming up next so badly and because greenie was so good at it that i think the rest of us were held to the standard of like. Keep doing that. But then i would go. You guys actually care about like any of the stuff we say in the middle of the teas like. Hey welcome back eight minutes coming up next. And i swear to you. I think some people cared more about teases than anything else. Because i'd like to ask. If i were doing a radio show. I would do this. I wouldn't just say hey is jalen hurts better than to talk about law. Could you jalen be better than two. That's not sounds good of a tease a greenie. Tease would be a sabin. Decision won a national championship budget week. Fifteen in the nfl prove it was the wrong call. Like wait what that what is he saying. This is a verbal mystery. I'm stuck. I'm just knocking my head into a wall in the dark. I know i'm supposed to pick my kid at daycare but fuck it. I have no idea what he's talking about. And so i eventually because manageable love it. When i would do this not be like. Hey i think you guys are a little too into the teases and not so much into like the eight minutes in between did you listen to that last segment i did i just did. An entire segment. Mapping out to golden state is going to work out involving dallas. Because i have this all sourced out because the person was like durant's either going to say yes or he's not if he says yes. This is what we're gonna do. And bogut and harrison barnes all these pieces in the trades. And this is it. Like i just did. Eight minutes mapping out the entire kevin durant golden state warriors. Plan before it happened. And that's exactly what happened like t's could have been better book. Some of these teases our anticipation followed by disappoint. So you don't care. If i t's it and i don't follow through on the are like no. You always need to follow through on the cheese. Like some of these teases are so absurd. Like it's not really. There's no payoff because the sentence is crazy but the topic itself is kind of a letdown near like man. You just need tease better. So that was always a philosophical thing that i never quite understood In radio so. I'm just going to say but i'm afraid to what if jalen ends up. Being better than to jalen was terrific in arizona loss. He was and my biggest thing with him was one read and and two decisions in the second one was always run and i actually think we saw that a lot against the saints. What he did in goal line situations. How many of you are so frustrated with your goal. Line offense third and goal. You've tried to try to fade. You try to run up the middle and then you try to fade again. And you're like god jalen mobility without always going for the run. Got him two touchdowns just moving around. I know they lost the game. And i know the sounds nuts because the way jalen and a will always be linked but as much as i love to or coming out of the draft and i know they want again. I'm concerned i'm concerned with how he looks. Because the greatest thing with him those deep shots and they just haven't had it. And i've been through all those numbers would get seki. The tight end is the deep threat. And i don't know what the update is because you know he didn't play and all that like i look at some of those words per catch stuff. I go wait. Where are the deep threats here. When that was the great thing with two and he also had like five. Nfl guy who's thrown into it alabama. His skill guys are better alabama than they are with the miami dolphins. It's not even debatable. So yes i'm a little worried about it. It's a tease. I'm not ready to sell that tees though so you go. That's my cheese story. The final award is the both ways award. We have called this the diatta war or some other things that was probably going to stay away from but this is for the people that want one thing. Admit complain about the other thing. Very good example of this is social media with player safety versus bad calls. You want player safety. But as soon as somebody gets flagged for a bad helmet-to-helmet meaning it didn't really look helmet-to-helmet or the defensive player was an impossible situation. The offensive player lowers himself. Or maybe it was more shoulder than it was helmet. Then you freak out about the bad calls. I'm just going to say it again for all the player safety the tribe the player safety tribe out there. If you were that worried about player safety you're going to have to accept some bad helmet to helmet calls if you haven't figured out yet i don't know what the hell you're doing on sunday. All right and i just don't understand bad call all day long stuff. It just doesn't do much for me. The reason i bring that up is that's because jets fans jets fans want it both ways and they're miserable okay and they wanna share their misery with you. I'm not saying they shouldn't be miserable. I mean it's it's a brew franchise but every week you want a bitch about adam gates which is fine. You want to bitch about the roster. You even throw joe douglas into this thing. Which i think is entirely unfair because joe. Douglas hasn't been there that long. It looks like a couple of his early. Decisions are gonna work out and you know the crazy thing with jets is actually had more moments like manage his team starting to compete a little bit more. And that's the other thing is the players. Don't care about draft picks. The players want to go out there and win so taking the nfl. Just harder to do unless you're going to start having receivers play quarterback and maybe the judge do the last two weeks but they're you're seeing signs of the things that were supposed to like in football team hasn't quit that they have some fight that there's more guys than the raw chalet showed up and who's playing a little bit better because that jets rosters had moments where it felt like it was the worst fifty three man roster in the entire nfl so joe. Douglas doesn't deserve to be shrapnel in this. Anti jets thing but the jets fans want to share their misery with you all the time because of how bad it's going and then they win and they beat a good rams team that doesn't make any sense teams favored by seventeen or more or like fifty eight and four in the however the tracking goes back. Sandy was sharing that stat with us. And i guess. Like i look at this. And then the jets win and now they might not get trevor lawrence and then all. The jets are miserable about that too so pick one pick. One is my point you you have to pick one. You can't scream about the jets. And how terrible organization is and how embarrassed it is the whole time and then when they actually show you the fight things that are supposed to matter and granted. Look they should lose the rest of the games they should go. Oh and sixteen should do everything they can to get trevor lawrence but the players are on board with that because they don't care the contracts are too short just not going to do it. Those guys coming out of the tunnel every sunday actually still want to win football games and so for whatever reason. I'm i actually hope. Trevor lawrence goes to jacksonville. I do because. I'm so there's just so many media members that are linked to the jets. Somehow i'm tired of it. I don't wanna. I don't wanna hear from you anymore. Soak in the corner and the next time you bitch about how bad you have it. Because you're team sucks and actually win you. Don't get the bitch about that too. Updated tom and bill. Legacy rankings It's eating up. It is heating up. Bill eliminated from the playoffs. The first time since the last time. Tom wasn't there. Remember the pats some gonna fall for this and it's so stupid but i will let you get caught up in the web the year. The pats one eleven five. They didn't make class because everybody in the division plates bad nfc an afc west teams in those divisions were terrible. And that's why all those teams had this wins and that's why people used to argue. Bill could do it without brady when in fact it was because the schedule was really really easy and at eleven and five. They're still out of the playoffs. This actually would have been the first time. The pats were limited from the playoffs. Brady played the entire team and not getting hurt against kansas city. so that would have been like a twenty year run of winning the division which is absolutely insane. It's insane you can try to diminish it however you want no So brady hadn't gone anywhere sort of be totally serious. Brady's one although if brady you were to play poorly. He's like a week away from genucell. Induced influenced haircut. So all right. I'm gonna stay tom. One still alive for playoffs. Bill to i could see bill having wait an extra year to get into the hall of fame because of this just based on this week. Long a light advice in a moment but basketball is back in this season. My man charles. Barkley has joined the fan duel team jolly old. Saint chalk is giving away thirty million in gifts to all federal customers. Such free fantasy entries to all customers free site credit and risk. 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Call one eight hundred five three two four seven hundred colorado one eight hundred bets off iowa. One eight hundred nine with the indiana one. Eight hundred gambler in new jersey. Pa illinois tennessee red line. One eight hundred eight nine nine seven eight nine tennessee or visit www dot one eight hundred gabler dot net west. Virginia you want details five. I drive a ferrari. Three fifty five cabriolet. what's up. I have a ridiculous house in the south fork. I have every toy you can possibly imagine. Best of all kids. I am liquid so now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required life advice. It is levies are are at gmail.com. Okay here we go how to get better with money in my twenties Finally new. If i ever go back in time i do think a lot of us do that. I know i do it. Where am i if you could start over at like nineteen ninety-three and you knew what you knew now and then i'll go. What when. I just try to predict the future over the next five years. They just do it right now. 'cause you're gonna be a moment when fifty reiko man if i had known what i know now at forty five while its right now. So what are some of the guesses. That's a fun little exercise. Or maybe you shouldn't do it okay. Back to the email. I'm from calgary and in the first year of a two year post degree diploma. I've got an undergraduate degree already. All right so grad school the field. I'm entering shows modest. Earning potential nothing crazy but it should be able to get to a decent life. I grind hard enough. My question is when you're at the stage of life. How do you do a financial uncertainty and figuring out how to get better with money while enjoying your twenty s. I'll just give you. I'm the last person to map out your money deal in your twenties or maybe that makes me the best person for it so all right. Our guys says i like two party. Sweet travel in gamble from time to time. Nothing out of control of twenty four. And i want to get after it for a while longer while also not wanting to set myself back to the future since i'm in school having money to do any substantial investing isn't really an option but i feel like every time i turn on the tv. I'm getting a trade ad telling me now's the time start saving for the future. Well it's an ad of course they're telling you that you need to start using their their company for stuff all right so don't get freaked out. Those 401k ads. They do that purpose. Some of the older listeners. Right now you know your ira's lately meant kinda like man. What's my retirement number. They do that to scare the shit out of you to help you all right so our man says i know the adult answers to stop getting loaded with my friends and cool it on the blackjack every now and then but i don't wanna look back twenty years from now and think i laid low so i could possibly retired a year earlier. I've definitely gotten better with these as i've matured but this is something that just continues to prove or d really have to make conscious efforts to get better at this. Okay all right. I saw that last part again. This is something that just continues to improve. First of all you're twenty four so the positive is you're actually even thinking this way and i use this a lot with like hey like our guy in the the email about am i. The office was the fact. Even that email and ask these questions like that itself is is a really good thing so our emailer here is worried about these things. And that's good but i would. I would tell you at twenty four and you're not making any money now and you want to have enough money to go away for a weekend in one things are normal or hang out with your buddies and all that kind of stuff i personally. I wouldn't worry about saving right now. I just wouldn't if the idea that if you cut corners and limit all the fun stuff from twenty four to twenty six that all of a sudden like when you're sixty one it's going to be all difference in the world it just it just isn't and you don't know what kind of money you're gonna make or not make and if you make less than you think then you'll probably figure it out now what i would do because sounds like you care about this stuff. I would open up an ira. I would figure out the best ones for you. If you're twenty four. i bet you have a friend. I dunno trump talked to somebody older. And i'm not telling you i have this map out perfectly but the sooner you start your ira whether you can do three or company which is basically. If you're not doing it with your company you're throwing away money because the matching and the tax part of it That that can t for some of you. That are with companies. I think some of you guys that are with bigger companies and actually look at the hr stuff and pay to it but like that first time when you learn like hey if you're not putting into your 401k. Knowing that the company matches your just absolutely throwing away money and you're not hiding money. It's not hiding but putting money in a fund that that would not be taxed all that you can't touch it for a long time so you seem to care about these things. The ads are getting to you so to start the clock on the saving part of it. I would research any of those things and try to get that started earlier. Because i've taken from me as somebody who had a lot later Then i wished. But i just didn't have any money. I just didn't have any money. So the idea that i was going to put a couple of grand away in a 401k. Every year when i'm making twelve twenty five twenty five twenty five and thirty grand year. It just wasn't going to happen. It just wasn't. I mean it wasn't like i was living the high life anyway. It just. i'm sorry. I didn't i didn't like it was check to check man. An at that money didn't exist. So i don't know a year situation is so Know some people are gonna listen this say. Stop going out to. I don't believe that. I would say you're twenty four. How fun hang out with your friends. Don't stress about it. You're you're probably not going to end up going broke because you didn't save twelve hundred dollars this year at twenty four years old. All right that if you go broke. I don't think it's to because of that. It sounds a kyle. Wants to jump in here. Which i would love to hear. Well i was gonna say bars are important to me too and I just be like the fact that he brought it up. Music probably does look at the morning. Like wow i really put a dent. In what i got that i just say be efficient. Like you don't have to try all the different bars like make buddies with your with a bar and tip well a couple of times and once they know your situation going to charge you for every drink and you can leave paying forty dollars instead of one hundred twenty when it gets away from you. That's all i'd say. It made a big difference for me once. I made those inroads. Nelson's a bar that may go out of business one twenty to forty. I'm hey it like. It is what it is like a some people. Just don't tip in those bartenders are like well. They're not never going to me. But this guy gave me forty dollars and like that's that's cool. People used to always say because you were like. Oh you must not pay for anything bartender. Y'all gonna actually you get the bartender tax you pay way more and it just. It's this dumb thing where it's like. Oh hey hundred dollar tab and charge you five dollars but you have to leave two hundred and maybe like you know but it's like it's not two hundred you know at the at the new bar that you waited in line to get into and it took forever to get a drink and whatever and it's like it somehow caused you hundred and seventy dollars in. It's like you can leave your other place for sixty eight dollars. Buying your friends rounds. Nice yeah maybe. That's a plan. That's a plan there to But the simplest way to some this whole thing is that i. I doubt the financial corners that you'd be cutting now to to sacrifice the fun stuff with your friends like it's great. You have friends you want to do. Cool stuff with them to decide. Did not do any of those things and thinking that you're just going to be so much better off in forty years financially. my. I don't know i mean i have some friends. Think saving from day one was the most important thing one of the guys open a small business if he hadn't saved from day one out of college and he probably wasn't going to be able to open that business. I have another friend. That's that's doing better than most everybody and he was like. I didn't save a dime in my twenties. Because i felt like the payoff was going to be there. I personally felt like the payoff was going to be there for me. Even though it didn't make any sense. But i also didn't go on trips of buddies because i couldn't i just couldn't afford it so i wasn't even saving money and turning down trips buddies. I didn't. I didn't have money to save and i didn't have any and then sucks to because then your friends stop inviting you to stuff like i have a. I have a weird phase there where i was so locked into everything i was doing and i was broke that i was even getting invited to stuff anymore. Because they're like arizona's broke. He can't go and you're kinda like well. Can't you just invite me and have me tell you. I'm broke and then in all feel better about it and it was like well. We didn't want to tell you because we knew you'd say no you're going to be able to say yes like no like okay. We we skipped a whole step there. So stop crying about. I bet you. There's the people listening to that advice over like. That's terrible older listener here. I'm fifty one. I've been married twenty one years. No children and my wife and i are both physicians. Struggling through the pandemic working long stressful hours will thank you for everything you're doing. I only mentioned that because years ago she cheated on me but we eventually worked it out. Mainly for financial reasons and our relationship has changed. But she's a good person. And i do love her. Um she's third. Oh wait whoa. Whoa whoa okay. Dot dot dot all right so again. He says about his wife. We worked mainly for financial reasons in a relationship has changed. But she's a good person. I do love her dot a thirty year old nurse at work. Who's a single mom of a six year old with a deadbeat ex. Who's an absolute smoke. Show the access to the nurse. Is this guy saying that. Her ex husband is really hot now. Oh no. that's not what he's doing he saying the nurse is his is very attractive okay. She's been really aggressive pursuing me. We haven't been physical but she's definitely an emotional friend was sexting benefits. Who unfortunately i'm falling for hard and we have crazy chemistry question. Blow my marriage for someone with baggage that would ultimately fail. But i feel like. I'm living a real life romcom or stain. My missionaries dow milk toast marriage with financial stability. Are my feelings. A product of the stressful situation. I'm in And cloudy or legit age old question but never Less difficult any advices appreciate it first of all. I don't There's there's a lot that i don't know in this clearly. A first of all the thing. I do know is you are gonna end up hanging out with this nurse. There's no question. I can retell When you say she comes with baggage. I hope you're not saying that six year old. It sounds like you might be because you're pretty forward in this email Here's here's what i would ask you if you're both close if you're fifty one in your both doctors and you stayed together for financial reasons. What did you guys bilour ten houses. I imagine with no kids fifty one. If you've been in the medical field both of you have made plenty of money be about. He's worried about losing the boat. No all right. So this is he's obviously gonna do it. He's he's clearly going to do it. You're already texting whether like this. You've put yourself in this position to have it continue. The chemistry may be crazy but it may all be physical and therefore when you do it and it's going to be great for like a month and then there's going to be like sort of a letdown and then you may feel guilt But if you said your wife already cheated on you maybe you're looking at like. Hey sorry looks like. I did it too. I guess we're even which is never the way that that conversation would go down. I'm almost thinking like if you're this board with your wife but you loved you. Love her as a friend or you love her as a partner urges. Love the convenience of it. But you're clearly board. i don't know. Can you be honest to your wife and just say not about the smoke show nurse but just go. Hey what are we doing. Are we in this together because we wanna spend the rest of our lives together we in this because it convenience and are you in it right now for dependent reasons because you're both physicians going through pandemic which i think is probably part of it so i don't know if you could. I mean this. This is probably. This might be the worst advice. Ever get out. But like a preemptive. And i'm telling you divorce your wife and hook up with the nourishment i feel like that's what i'm saying I don't understand the financial part of it. Like if you only got back together for financial reasons and the relationship never been the same since your wife cheated on. Why are you with her in the first place like why can't you just go. Hey look this is your money my money. We have no kids see later and now you're dana nurse. Who's twenty years which seems to be something. I think we can pretend guys listening to all. That's not cool. Valetta guys with that was cool. So oh maybe if that's but if you don't want to do that if you don't feel the guilt about your wife you have stop texting. You can't do that to yourself where you're putting yourself in a situation where you're constantly texting with somebody that you know. You shouldn't be texting with because then it's just gonna lead to what's going to happen anyway. Which is why you're gonna end up hooking with this nurse. There's no doubt. I would put money on this But that the texting like oh. It hasn't been physical. Oh it's this you can't keep putting yourself in situations. We're constantly battling temptation. And i know a guy for those of you. That are older younger guys. Like what the hell you talking about. But for older guys especially older guys it may have had a decent run when they were younger. I'm not saying like an nba. Ron but maybe like a friday night bartender. Run where you wanna know if you still have it and all of a sudden your attention from deke. Curious picked you and you're like. Oh my god i still have it and ego feels better. And there's like this weird validation. I think women have this. But i think men need it more. Think men needed especially men like you were the cool guy in college. Use the cool guy in your neighborhood in the city you know in your twenties. There's there's this part of you it'll be like oh i lose. It is gone. I used to have it. And that's why guys will start texting and then they'll think they're not doing anything wrong and then you're just like i can't stop thinking about this person and now you've completely you know. Change your focus from the relationship that you're coming to at home For this new this new person right and some of you guys start this process. Because you know you're going to leave your wife anyway right. You just know you're going to or the wife is gonna leave you like i'm entering in this new conversation with this other person because it's new as exciting. I have attention. But also. Because i'm not going to be with this person anymore so i think that's the first thing you need to figure out. Are you actually going to be. Do you plan on being with your wife. Doesn't sound like sounds. Like sorta okay. And i don't know enough from this email to know how you feel like if you weren't with your wife would you care you sound like you're you're settling a bit here for you haven't mentioned i mean you say used to love her but i don't know like you got past the cheating part of it we said it's never the same so we all know what's going to happen here. Just a reminder make sure you check out the bill simmons fee bill simmons house myself. Nba preview over unders all sorts of stuff and this was Definitely more challenging to do the over under math alone three different times. You're like wait. Forty two wins as what so make. Sure you check that out and please as always spread the word. 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Jonathan Vilma. Plus Bruce Feldman on the CFB Coaching Carousel and NFL Awards.

Dual Threat with Ryen Russillo

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Jonathan Vilma. Plus Bruce Feldman on the CFB Coaching Carousel and NFL Awards.

"Today's episode is awesome of the ryen. Russillo the five network is brought to you by state. Farm shot up the state farm real quick. I found the dry fit medium that you set me. And i can't wait to start wearing a more regularly for some of the breakout video. So kyle we've put that off the checklist here solved right hearing anything. Come kyle right now so now. They didn't send me a bit. So that's why i could. I could sense jealousy immediately. So let's just make sure everybody knows that as always uttering our podcast network the ryen russillo podcast is brought to you by state farm getting great card home insurance from state farm or to surprises surprisingly great. That's like drafting a player that becomes an all pro. The real deal state farm agents provide personalized service. You customize your insurance to fit your needs like gm put together their very own roster. You need a team that supports you. Stay farms get a great one. 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Leave the jets and go to the saints. So that's gonna be awesome. And then we have bruce feldman he hit me up this morning. Goes i have a whole thing on all the coaching carousel stuff specifically tom herman potentially being out at texas and would urban meyer replace him. Or if urban meyer is willing to replace. Tom herman his that mean the tom. Herman is out. So that's incredible stuff feldman's as locked in as anyone i'm telling you that's what we have mono time so let's do a little of that and little life advice at the end as well by the way real quick. Did you watch roy. Jones junior mike tyson cow now. I didn't. I didn't want to pay for that. Yeah no i i get. Fifty bucks is my thing will be like. Hey i'm definitely going to spend fifty bucks in dumber way at some point but i can always you look why. Yeah i don't want you to do that. I want you do that with every potential purchase. i understand you know for me. Fifty bucks It's not gonna change the. We have now that i'm saying this out loud. I feel like a jerk. But i also think it's ridiculous for people to pretend that that's not the case sometimes like guys that are crushing it way more than me being like. Oh you know just time to time to start and coupons again. You're like what are you talking. Twenty dollars for socks right. Yeah right so. I think it's actually worse. You sound more like a jerk. Your circumstances to try to seem like super humble. Wait a minute what are you talking about like. I read the trades. So yes. I'm not trying to come off like as jerks and people are gonna think that it's too late but the fifty bucks. I'll tell you what next time you want to order one of those. You let me know. And i'm going to tell you the fifty but you didn't miss a ton right. That's what i that's what i thought. Yep you didn't but it's funny. If he if one or the other guys have been knocked out thirty and people would have just been mad about it being rip off and then it goes the distance people were like. Oh that sucked really week. Which which did you want. Honestly the nate robinson jake paul thing was more entertaining because the lead up to the whole thing. Because here's exactly what happened a lot of dudes. Let's just say all of you wanna jake. Paul get knocked out because you know none of us like as adults young youtube stars or tiktok influences like none of you. And i'm i'm with you by the way none of you are going. I love meesom multi multimillionaire idiot in a hoodie and sweatpants. That does these videos that generally suck all the time and sometimes it just pops like it just it. You know whatever it works. Kids seem to love the hell out of it. But then j. Paul decides to i guess i didn't know he and his brother wrestlers. Would you know kyle. Would you know about. I thought it was the other jake. Paul actually somebody had fix my description for bills. Podcast thought it was logan paul so i don't know which one is which i i really don't i just know that. Let's face it if you're of a certain age north of that number. There's not a lot of you. This go admit i ho. He just he just dropped a new bid that sick but to be totally honest. If you're willing to put the money in in train and spend all this money on trainers work your ass off to try to get and then actually get into a ring and fight other guys like i have respect for you because you're actually going ahead and doing it. But because nate robinson is like i. I'm ready to throw these hands on you. Then there was just a lot of dudes in the media. I would say a lot of former athletes people that are friends with looking at their content leading up to that going. I can't wait to see nate robinson. Crush this motherfucker okay. That's that was the general theme of the lead up to that. And then nate robinson gets knocked all the way out and by the way they should have stopped the fight the first time. It was clear nate when he kept his left. Hand his head when the ref kept asking to touch gloves. You're like okay. Something's wrong and they didn't really look like he wanted any more of it because you haven't been hit for real in a long time. It really sucks and you're like oh that's what this feels like or if it's never happening you go. Whoa wait this. isn't that much talk differently to people. Yeah right and so then naked dropped and then he's a mean and then i notice the same people that couldn't wait for the youtuber to get crushed we're saying nature had never been in there. This isn't fair really. Wait wait wait wait wait wait you. Can't you like you can't now say this wasn't fair. He should have been in there like look. He said something to paul and paul's like let's go ahead and fight and he knocked him out. And i think anybody pass the kind of respect this but now it's turned into anybody that's remotely tough is like all right fighting next and paul's like i don't need any of you. I'm the one that's the attraction. I don't need to fight a hockey player. I don't need to fight this guy. Like oh i was just a fight. Some three hundred pound lineman now from the nfl. Because he's mad. Because nate robinson was good at dunking. I knocked him out so yeah. I didn't expect to start this podcast this way. I'm not declaring myself team. Jake paul but i think you have to admit begrudgingly if that's where you're at the have to kind of respect the fact that you know he's look the first fight. I don't know who any of these guys are. Three was going at but that he knocked out robinson and it was pretty dominant. I mean it was completely dominant and he backed it up now. We're supposed to think of him. Who gonna like less that you even have to just a small sliver of you have has to say all right. Look you got the ring. Nate talked and he knocked them out. What would it be the actual height difference. There was it like a few at least a foot race. We're gonna do height difference doubt. The reach was definitely an issue on the tale of the tape. But as far as we. I think it was pretty close. We need to get it. On i don't really. I don't know a pro athlete. Who also was a terrific football player. He we're going to go to the poor guy. I am not doing that. I'm just saying like it's one of those things you look at when you're looking at people that are fighting right. It's like reach. Yeah weight well. You know height. I yeah i was gonna be height because it usually has something to do with reach. That's the only reason. I said i wasn't gonna ask by the reach because i didn't expect you to know i figure no i think it was. Let's do. Let's do taylor tape here. Can't believe i'm doing this from sucking. No no i'm i'm mad at myself Oh gee i hadn't seen any of this new stuff. There's all sorts of new stuff out there now of what this is turned into But we're going to go ahead and now freak out about it Okay yeah i found it. Paul weighed in at one. Eighty nine robinson when one eighty one so for this kind of thing I don't. I don't think you have to be within five pounds. So there you go there you go okay all right. Let's start with a before we get to vilma feldman and life advice. Start with awards. Normally i would call this award the production meeting award and give it to tony romo. But we've done the production meeting or before that usually goes to a national crew. That's on the broadcast. They've known the coach or a quarterback forever because they've done a million of their games. It's happened all the time especially bill belichick and brady and all that stuff that would happen back in the day where it's like you know nance and another guy nansen sims on the call and they would be like oh. They told us they were going to do that. Because the relationship is so close and you understand especially when it's got like phil simms the respect that players and coaches. They all have for each other that none of us would ever have. Because he didn't play the game all right and that makes a ton of sense. And my biggest pet peeve ever was when peyton manning's arm was completely shot at the end of his career last season when he wants to super bowl yes and there would be national broadcasters that would basically take and i hate the word narrative the word narrative is whenever it's uses followed by usually a terrible point being made. It's a rule. I just. I'm telling you right now. Don't use the word because every time it's everyone does it. It's like a well. The narrative is willing to say. I'm about to make a really shitty point and here we go so Everybody was on peyton manning's arm strength and then national guys because they like the guys and some times protective of them they would they would be like. Oh peyton manning. Threw thirteen yard pass arm. Looked fine there. It used to drive me absolutely crazy. I did a big ran on it years ago on radio and ended up going viral which was sick because my life changed right after that happened. So the reason. I'm not giving it to tony. Romo is i don't think he's guilty of the production meeting deal here even though he defended brady in three hours of game time. But let's back up. Okay 'cause let me let me be honest with you. I've been watching the nfl now for over thirty five years. And when i listened to romo talk on my okay people are getting upset. Things being protective of brady again production meeting theory in effect here. But what is saying. That's actually not true. Now as i say. I've been watching. Nfl over thirty five years. Here's what i'm comfortable with. I know when a tackle probably isn't good. If it's the team that i watch all the time or corner can't cover unless they get away with. Pi then they get calls repeated all the time. You're like all right. That's that corner I can usually figure out of the course of season or someone's career who i trust them. Make a catch and who i don't. I can notice a defensive lineman beating his. And when i'm only looking for it when i'm like hey make sure you lock on this defensive lineman you do with aaron donald doodoo with khalil mack You know myles garrett is is a lot of fun to watch that way but you really have to keep reminding yourself unless you're alignment or no lyman. Who always watched the line. But if you're generally like most of us that are watching you have to look for it all the time and even then i can get really excited about thinking of de lime than something amazing when it could have just been that. He wasn't accounted for in. Somebody screwed up a sign. Okay now i also would say that. I've watched cam newton every single snap this year because i still like to watch the pat so i can talk my friends and family about the pats. It's the most amazing thing that i've ever seen to see a quarterback play a decade in this league and have no idea where pressure is coming from so i feel comfortable on those things. But here's what i'm not comfortable with. I don't really know what the hell's going on in the back end. I don't i don't think you do either. I can tell you the difference between a cover to a tampa too. I could talk about that. Seem route. But i don't really know i probably heard somebody else say and then i've said a few different times Offense of line almost never know what the hell's going on. I mean i guess you can figure out what are running back. Blows blows in assignment but a lot of times. When i thought i knew what happened. Then liz admit jeff schwartz is on you within two seconds telling you wrong. You're like i. I guess. I didn't know that. As far as safety switching up handing off receivers do each other. Those guys will just pointed somebody else when they fuck up so. I don't know who to believe out there Quarterbacks sometimes interceptions. I think. I know but then there'll be other times where it's a quarterback who does a really good job instinctively of making sure that it looks like the route was wrong and actually romo. Ironically enough was was a master at that But there's just a lot of football. That i think a lot of us never ever understand we. Just don't it's hard to. It's hard to know what everybody's assignments it's hard to know everybody's rules. It's hard to know who's got who blocking and most of us have all been watching the sport a really long time but i think a lot of us fall into the same category so admitting these things and realizing that roma was giving us a masterclass on offensive lhasa fees and then pushing back on this if he's just protecting brady is denying yourself knowledge. Okay so romo basically like. Hey they're just not on the same page in this offense and he talked first about the routes being inverted from what brady was used to more verticals less underneath were new england. They had more crossers. And maybe one deep shot the hot routes being too thin needed him to be wider flatter. And that actually makes it a little bit more sense because the throwing lanes a little bit easier when that's flat and you're making this quick decision against pressure. He brought up the deep safety look at brady sees more more now. That tampa doesn't run verse that look because the safe. These aren't worried at all. Because they know the tape is taking all these deep shots romo also brought up the lack of pre snap brady. Who's good as anyone pre-snap that we've ever seen was doing way more stuff now. Post nap with tampa's offense and when actually did run a motion that was like a real motion to try to figure out what the defense was in. Romo got so excited. Because he's there actually like they're not doing this and then he pointed out some pats this thing they're doing now with that gronk route and what they did offer that. That's almost them coming up with something here because brady's trying to desperately move football i like this. I like them seeing this. That was after a couple of grand catches then. He got excited when they came out of a bunch sat and goes. This is good because let's send everybody down the field. Let's get guys running at different. Angles sideline to sideline so that. It's a little easier to defend these guys. Some of these bunch combinations that they're coming out of he was excited about the formation. Then they took a deep shot to mike evans. After that down the right side and romo's like look. The deep shots are great. You've got one on one but everything to work for this always workout. And i'm sitting there going. This is crazy. How good this and yet. There was all sorts of pushback again from athletes. That have just decided. That brady isn't as good and now look rating needs to be better that stat about him missing. Twenty straight completions. Four yards down. The field is is on brady. I mean we could talk concept all eventually gonna hit. Some of those shots and they finally did was they. Put that setup there but that's bad that's on him. But when brady and mike evans are on the sideline arguing and they weren't even arguing. He was a really civil conversation about there is another hot route. That evans was to the left. Side is kind of like left slot. But he's very close to line of scrimmage where he was lined up and then it just didn't work out brady flung adam and evans hadn't turned around. I'll ask you this. Who do you think is right in that conversation. Brady who has twenty years of this stuff for mike evans. Whose with jameis winston. What do you think the james mike evans. Hot route conversations. Were like on the sideline. So you may not like brady. And yes. he's declining. And i'm not telling you he's the best and by the way it's not the arm strength. His arm is so much stronger. Now than i remember in new england and even against carolina where they put a huge number of for the offense and he put up all these big numbers he was singing it in there like i actually started to handful of times so it's not the arm but when romo is sharing all of this stuff that you. He's not saying adjustment here scheme here the not on the same page. He's actually saying real examples and this happened a million times during this game and people we're gonna push back on that and i'd ask this when you get upset about something get upset because the thing isn't true or it's because you don't want it to be true and again. I'm not telling you that brady's been the best quarterback in the nfl this year. He's not but is a very simple thing with tampa bay. They have five losses. The bears game where they had a ton of penalties which is a prime time game. And you're like how do they lose the bears. The bears are like the one seed in the nfc for an hour. monday week. They lost the saints in the rematch. Had lost in week one and it was one of the worst single games we've ever seen from any team that's supposed to be good. They lost that rams game. They had a giants game that was in prime time where they won by only two points and then the chiefs game was kind of late sunday marquee one and they were down. It was going to be twenty four to nothing like that. If it weren't for shaq barrett strip so tampa is definitely guilty of the added the weighted loss formula of the prime time games. But here's tamp. Here's what tampa is going to do. They're going to win at least three or four more games. They've got minnesota dallas in atlanta twice so that get him to and maybe eleven. they're gonna make the playoffs. Maybe they figure all this stuff out. But roma wasn't protecting a guy protecting i would have been just kinda saying stuff and not really giving us any depth. Romo gave us more depth than that broadcast. And i've heard from other guys for their entire career. And that part isn't debatable. The next award is the kendall roy award. I'm giving that one to taste him hill. Let's just put it this way. If kendall roy logan roy's son succession if you haven't watched accession. I don't know what you do with television in general but It's great show and kendall. Is logan son. Any sort of runs the company. But he's basically like his father his works over mentally. And so yes. It's nepotism but tastes hill is not nepotism. But i'm just telling you can roy. Showed up to a different company. Was like hey. I think we could restructure that. We could streamline perhaps expand of our bandwidth People love saying bandwith. Now i love whenever you're on a project to somebody like i just don't have the bandwidth through like you just don't like the project If kenroy did those things said those things but then also like i do a ton of maybe fifty percent responsible for a guy dying in a car accident. He probably wouldn't get a ceo's gig. I'm not saying tasting hill is all of those things. But he's just not good at being quarterback. I don't know i can't believe that sean payton signed off on this. What superior to be experiment the last two years though stats. They mean nothing. Seven and six attempts last games do mean something. Eighteen to twenty three two hundred thirty three yards. It gets atlanta the two rushing touchdowns one of the completions look like a fucking punt. Sorry to be so vicious about it. But i was like what is that. Throw yesterday two rushing touchdowns again but he was nine sixteen for six yards and pick against the denver team that again. We found out had no quarterbacks like didn't have any we'll get to them in a second peyton and it doesn't matter like you can't go to the coach on this one. Hey would you think hey. Our guy sucks is a huge mistake. He's not going to say that he's gonna go. Hey considering the game plan and because they didn't have quarterbacks like we're good with this it's the win the game and this is the way we want to go ahead and win it. You're like wait really. You wanted your quarterback to look like. He shouldn't have the job for three hours. That's what you wanted out of this. Of course would you want. But what is he going to go ahead and say but the other part that i just don't understand is that i mean this is somebody who got twenty one million with sixteen million guaranteed and he's thirty. This isn't a twenty three year old quarterback. It's a thirty year old quarterback who's been in the league now. What four years. And he's the second highest paid quarterback up in the league because perset was actually fifteen million extension. he was going to be the starter and then they went with. philip rivers. superset was going to get that money. Because you're like a fifty million for star. That's pretty good. But at least perset has played at least precipitous shown Maybe not to be the guy he could be a guy. Marcus mariota is the third highest paid. One he's about nine million a year with las vegas. I've never been a big mario guy. Since he's been in the pros. It probably held out a little bit of hope like a lot of people early on. They're going to do some different things different. People that i've talked to. Espn really really loved him. And then eventually just not a good. He's not that good. I can't imagine he's ever going to be a long-term starter but at least he was starter and tastes them. Hell gets all this money over over something like that. I just it makes no sense and i. I don't know why anybody thinks like i. I don't know how you defend it. I really don't know how you defend it. I know you defended his defense. You just go by this guy up the now. They're tuna with taste. Mrs started the final awards. The the bad click bait headline award. Because the first time i read denver bronco safety kareem jackson quote. Nfl making example of us by not moving game. I went oh man. I prepared to be upset because throughout all of this is a challenging to everyone and yes times we should never compare ourselves with athletes and their workplace and all that dynamic but everybody trying to show up to work keep their living going. They were going to be challenges and challenges. That didn't always seem fair. And the fact that the broncos had their entire quarterback room just not adhere to any of the policies didn't wear masks after one positive test so they were in contact with somebody and driscoll who is high risk and they just screwed off and did it the wrong way. And look if you don't believe me vic fangio. Their head coach basically called out the entire quarterback room. So that left the broncos without any quarterbacks and all of a sudden we had kendall playing quarterback and it was it was brutal for more than half those snaps thirty one thirteen win for the saints and tastes hill as we just pointed out but when i read that i went out here we go. This guy's gonna complain and it's not really what he did. Jackson made a really good point. He said quote. I feel like maybe the game could have been moved at the same time. Maybe league was making example of us as far as maybe not doing the things we needed to do in that particular room. That quarterback room. Obviously the guys in follow the protocols for the nfl to see that they felt like they had to make an example so at the end of the day it is what it is so when you read. That was a great lesson headline versus full-contact. She go cream jackson league longtime played it. Alabama and yes. I gets their frustration. I get the frustration of you. Being on the broncos coming out we have no chance to win this game. Can't they move it back day but when the nfl investigated this. They felt like a lot of the quarterbacks weren't forthcoming and then change your information later on again. Their own head coach called him out and the nfl's gonna save. We're spending all of this money for private testing and having arguably the best testing policy for any multi city corporation in america which is going to quote the nfl. But it's pretty much backed up if we're going to do all of those things and you can't take it seriously. Then we're supposed to cancel a game or move it because now you don't have a quarterback is ridiculous. It's that whole thing. Was you know you watched. I watched because. I wanna see how bad it would look And it was bad. I mean it was even worse than maybe you would think it would have been. They completed one the entire game. But i don't really blame the nfl here for going. Yeah you know what we're trying we're trying to keep this thing moving and if this is the kind of buying that we're going to get from you guys. We're not gonna do you any favors. So the headline very misleading was glad. That wasn't what it was because it wasn't really a guy complaining. It was a guy sort of saying. Hey it would have been nice if they could have done this. But i also understand why they weren't and that's why just the use of example was pretty misleading. And that's why. I'm just happy every now and then. Just click on the of you before eating on this. The updated bill belichick. Tom brady legacy for those of you. That are new here every week. We update their decades Worth of resumes and we change it week to week. Because that's a good idea. And i i'd like to make this complicated. I haven't always been the easiest read on this one. But i think we got put bill in that one spot and When tom to spot. And that's where i believe. They were last week after some some weather. Stuff our two weeks ago. I can't keep track moves around quite a bit but at this point. Bill is Bill seems like he's the guy that responsible for for tom He knew to not. Have tom throw arians was like now. We're going to all time even if that's not true because you like to do. So maybe which put arians third in this whole thing and the fact that bella checks quarterback right now if he gets to one hundred yards passing that in itself is awesome. Cam was under one hundred seventy nine yards on that last drive then. He got hit out of balance while he was the actually get hit helmet. Helmet use imbalanced by this penalty game. Winning field goal in the hunt. pat still alive. Apparently don't need brady. So bill is in one spot for the legacy rankings. Today's episode is brought to you by call of duty mobile call of duty. Mobile two thousand nineteen mobile game of the year is a free to play multiplayer battle. Royale first person shooter. Game monthly updates feature new seasonal content such as a battle pass limited time game modes maps characters and weapons. Call of duty. Mobile's one year anniversary takes the fight to alcatraz fast paced battle. Royale matt from the black ops franchise. The i live call of duty mobile e sports world championship brought even more excitement than ever before with turn it broadcasts pro level game play on a conic call of duty. Maps and community member highlights all available on their youtube channel. You can instantly drop in and experience all new content for free by downloading call of duty mobile now on an android is one of the best linebackers he played in. I got to know what. Espn and he's now with fox. Doing a great job national broadcast and sunday games as jonathan. Vilma what's up man. It's great to talk with you man. It's good to see you give me. He gained ryan so is book had back back there. It was great because my favorite thing about vilma is like once he you know you kinda reminded me myself a little in that. At first you're kind of like what's this guy's deal and then You know once you kind of loosened up with me we. I loved avenue on the show i love doing the longer shows that we're doing together in your storytelling was always terrific. So i'm so so happy for it because this is a big step up doing Do an nfl games so as you prep for a game. And i know you had minnesota's comeback which was actually pretty impressive considering how bad the special teams been for that that crew the last couple of weeks in costume themselves and almost cost themselves again but the comeback win that game. We know the record isn't great. But can you see beyond record if there are examples. You prep for a game and say you know what this team's actually heading in the right direction with a bad record of this team despite the record really. Isn't that good examples. This year's we're more than halfway through it where you've been able to kind of figure out some stuff in prep that stood out to you in the first thing i always look for. Is the guys running to football. Defensively i wanna see or defensive. Linemen rangers football. Say these running. Linebackers runs the ball and When i see that as the first sign that they're buying into coachee they're not run into football bedfellows. New play breaks for ten yards at yards. Whatever it is and guys are loafing. The mindset is already there the mindset of all erie go again all men. They don't trust with coach of saint. So when i see that as a guy running and and trying to do the right things. That's what i know that you're in the right. Direction regarded record. They're trying to do. What the coaches asking of them and they believe in what coaches asked him. That's the most important from these players. Believe away you're what you're selling to them. If they're buying that so i look bad than simply start to look i. Four the unforced errors. False starts legal shifts although delay of games all of those things because that's telltale signs of are they buying into coaches preaching right and so when you have a offense aligned. His jumping off sides are missing blocks. Things like that tells me that is not processing. Whatever coach is trying to tell them. Stop process it's so if i see that a lot of unforced errors offensively. The players are running hard. Offensively the next at a minimum. They believe in dakota saying and then it's a matter religious execution play calling you know drop as ear turnover air and that's gonna happen throughout the league. And so i was looking at that and a great example is detroit a lost twenty to nothing against the panthers the week before but the band is to journalism renzo right so yeah it was a good win and all you talk about his win but those Turnovers actually cost him. This victory against the vikings because they bridgewater turns it over again in the red zone all this week so It's very very fragile. Lee and i look at those little things to make sure that at least buying into what goes screeching yeah. I don't know you had your game. So i doubt you get to see much of that. Denver bockel but one of the things that i loved about denver on defense was that those guys actually still busting their ass. I was like man like that. Actually shows me something. Did you notice what detroit in your preference. Caroline a- that they had totally checked out on patricia. Not all of them some of them check out but with the in that same vein if one or two or three guys check out as just like the whole defense checking out right with. What's the difference. Yes so it it stinks because you do see. Some guys are not playing with great efforts. He see other guys are trying hard. But look if you have a corner say young left side of the field as blessings. Jobs but Defensive end on the other side is a ball breaks that way that they can do and so you know it stinks to see that especially now as we get later into the season teams at no. They're not gonna make the playoffs coaches feno there on the bubble prosecute fired. You're going to see a lot of bad from of the always call it back football. You can see a that down the stretch. Some of these teams. Did you notice that in your what was your second year with the jets. Her last year you guys went from ten and six two four and twelve. Yeah first time. I ever had experienced. That was the craziest thing. How pissed off for you. Oh man i. I didn't wanna talk to anybody. It was a very long miserable season. And i had never experienced. Not just players out his coaches to that at check that i never have been around that from high school ball to being successful high. School ball. successfully It was just guarantee we're gonna win and at or not gonna win. Will the other disturbed the damn good. Because we're gonna give them one hundred percent and they're gonna have to earn it so you know we started playing some these games in assistant coaches you know are doing just a bare minimum. You know they don't have all the answers for me when i'm asking questions about it. Goes with if they do this with that. Also wow i never been around never knows a very shocking experience. I never went to students that again. So give me an example of team that you've prepped for. Maybe they were on the other because you obviously haven't done all thirty two teams Is just not how schedule worked so just making sure everybody understands that but somebody that jumped out at you this year. The go kay. This team is locked in. They're doing the right things. And like i would put them in that first year teams that can win the super bowl healers or as one. So there's specialty you right now. Yes this vessel to me. I watched I had the pleasure. Call him to their games. this year. watson right before they billy and offensively they were man. They good solid tackle russell. Passer doing everything you wanted. Ostensibly you know. They worked on a corrections. For ben rothlisberger right. The knock on ban was that you all to uc. Been trying to get the ball out about bombs flipping it out there. They designed the offense to make sure that it doesn't have to make any reason thoughts football so the first part is relationship boat. Okay as coach out otherwise just by offense to the players they did. That would been rosberg. Then the second part is ben rothlisberger. Buying into what coaches sell them to him. And executing offense only mendez v bands like said he runs the ball. They got athletes or his goals. Everything that you want from defense. I don't care if it's new school old school anyway. What you want from a defense violent physical at take the ball it. That's what they're doing. So when i watched him the second time it was interesting because they had played a horrible game against dallas sows religion. One game and i remember talking to some of the players and coaches leading to that game against cincinnati people. Were you know kind of whispering. It's chance to win. And i remember a specific league. Mike mike tomlin saying look. This is a great baseless opponent. All i care about that we do our job stock. Run like we're supposed sue. We run the ball. We get the quarterback. And i'll be damned if they didn't do exactly what he wanted them to do and it was funny. You beat up on cincy that day but it really didn't matter. They were just so focused on their assignment. Air job as you have a team. That bad nate. By with savvy veterans and in ben rothlisberger leading the ship. It's good man. They're going to be tough out. You know with all the different names upfront. I'm reluctant because i'm afraid of getting it wrong. But i'll just i'll bring it up is haber the important guy on that front for pittsburgh. As far as playing. Or i he doesn't get the headlines and everything. But i feel like he dismantles things for granted. When you're that close to the ball talking about him being interior defensive lineman. But i swear not only just destroying kind of you know the things that you're trying to do at the closest point of the ball and not like mesh point or anything like that. We just rolled on the same page here but then also that he can get out and chases defensive lineman that his awareness on on some of the other things when misdirection. I just feel like he makes all of these plays and yet what is going to get a little bit more name recognition. Bud dupree has moments you know. Bush obviously was getting a lot of love as as a younger player who is important They've even plug in some other pieces. That i still make plays there. But i feel like hayward's been this. This constant near that isn't talked about as much as some of the other guys yet. Hayward i quite into a tree stump he doesn't move he's right. There is mr steady eddie. And the reason i asked you about Just playing the total package is because what i liked. The most about eight is when i see him older guys accountable. You'll see him in the middle of the game telling guys you need to do this or that was good enough and it. Same same vein. He'll celebrate a the guys but when you see him on the sideline out he addresses the team. See him when he's playing. Those are the intangibles that yeah you may get couple user now better player but are you going to get the same leader. Are you going to get this guy. That's completely unselfish. And is really holding everyone accountable. And that's what goes unnoticed times on these teams. When you like. Okay you know out the old with the new and you're like you know it's not that simple it's not that cut dry and so you look at the steelers a lot of times. They carried some veterans that yellow past their prime. And maybe they were a year to ask when they should have been blanks but because they were so good at holding the young guys accountable and having a standard pry. That's why those dealers jeans were still. They're pretty good. And then now you bring these young guys along and then now they understand what culture is and will you keep that culture developed culture to gaza cam heyward. You can't put a price tag on that man. Besser brand the thing of the steelers. Ever since i've been watching volume watching ball steelers a big of them patriots. I mean there's not too many other teams where they have. Larry solidify themselves with culture and a branch or not just decade. We're talking decades. Now dominance. let's talk chiefs. Because i think every steelers conversation me goes. Can they keep up with the chiefs and even when you feel like you contain the chiefs or even a quarter like okay. But they could still put up seventeen like that. would you've seen it. Their first quarter against tampa was ridiculous. I don't know if it's just because they screwed up with single coverage against hill. That's everybody seemed to say. But have you noticed anything that you would after a few years. This mahomes thing. Or maybe the raiders. Games were oakland gets one. Excuse me vegas gets one and then it was competitive in the rematch. Have you noticed anything defense has been able to do that. Like is giving anyone a better chance of even trying to contain mahomes at this point. Abbas seen anything is an offense. Remember the greatest show on turf with the rams. Marshall faulk is a ruse. Kurt warner was a call in us. Yeah i mean yeah. Exactly all these. This was an offense where you couldn't slow down with a scheme and the way the pages slowdown was being physical. But that physicality has been taken away from just the rules so changing the rules of the nfl. So you know now. When you're asking defenders we don't abbes crossing rows That you can't touch right in what happened in the super bowl was ages rivals able to get buys on me. Ainhoa chuck image edelman compliments. Route knocking off the route. And so when you can't do that defensively. It's almost impossible when you have pro bowler tied at pro bowl receiver all will go to bat. Offense aligns good. Oh by the way to pro bowlers at running back. How are you supposed to stop them if you can't be physical with an and knock off their time so what i see happening is you gotta just applications. And what i mean by asians is if you saying cover to run the ball for ladders. And they're still going to pass the ball but you have to buy into okay. At least you're been a slow the game down everything in front of us so long as we keep in front of us and they earn it. Then we have ourselves a chance in the fourth gordon c. Were you know you would just live at order. Yeah and that's the craziest thing. That game was almost like twenty four. Nothing and then by the end of it you're going tampa still has a chance here and i think that's that's what i noticed. This is probably a bad question to ask you. But i've had this theory about football. Maybe even more so in college football better team comes in goes right down the field twice. It's fourteen nothing and then it's hard to keep. Everybody is engaged. The next forty five minutes of game time and it can be simple as eight when you only have twelve possessions. You'll this this things become a lot closer but why is it. You think it's it's so hard to maintain that this is a hard sport we get that. That's the easiest way to describe football but even with that tampa and kansas city thing. You could probably imagine. Kansas like are you serious. Like tyreek. hill has two hundred plus yards in the first quarter like this. There's just no way it doesn't seem like human nature allows you to stay as engaged. And maybe that's why coaches just yell at you players all the time. Well i think it's less about the engagement at. It's more about the way the nfl has been designed in the owners. They've done a tremendous job of kind of tweaking in perfecting the way that the nfl structured. And i say that because a talent level if there's a pool of talent level from the best team the worst team everyone is pretty much the same tower wise. You have some outliers. I've mahomes is not liar You have not liar in Be aaron donald rise. Some of these guys are outliers but for the most part everyone has roughly the same amount of talent. Then it's just a matter of okay. A hardy play. Which scheme do you play. Was the design of your office and then the right play call right in an all the tangible the players etc so when i see score that you know fourteen nuts and so quickly first thing we would you just said in which we all saw was widely man on target right to stop as stupid right so it wasn't just man. It was like without safety. Help on a few of those elo. Yeah exactly so. I long bowls too. That's the other thing that kind of blew. It wasn't coordinator and i love his demeanor. I loved him when he was at the jets. I love with did throughout that thing being a mess and i don't like sitting at home going haywire. His todd bowles like obviously tried something. Maybe they thought they'd get away with holding up and you're like no malls here in the best part homes is almost like. Are you kidding me. And then makes the throw even more difficult by just screwing around and yeah every him arm angle doesn't matter he's got every single release point down but he's almost just whipping it up. They're going all right. Whatever like you're gonna run the stupid defense. Sure expose you but that that's the point right. We're not saying that. Oh the steelers just so much more talented than the bugs in now. They lost interest. What we're saying is a seal still right sheets it. yeah more shouted at chiefs right. I might everyone's was alot of amir's defense. change your lake. holy right. they may change the play calling. All the sudden may filing by themselves avenue the chance to get into the game. So you know that. That's what i look at it and say it's not necessarily that reveal. Patrick mahomes dislike all your jv team but bugs are jv team. We're gonna roll over them and then they kinda just flop around and they squeak out a victory at the bucks a good talent they just needed to change up what they were doing as far as their play call. I think it happens colleagues lot. You're you're going to have to at least concede like in college definitely happens you guys. Come out of the tile out okay. This team sucks and the next thing you know a seventeen seven and you go. What happened like what happened about couple of those games or just like what are we doing. Yeah i i give you that. You're not getting off blocks not chased everything down so all right. that's fine. i won't bring the pros again. Okay let's talk about your saints because as much as the jets They mean a lot. She i always feel like you're more of a saints guy. I don't know if that's fair or not. It's just always the vibe. I've gotten an in talking with you like you take a little bit. More pride in the saints by the way is right exactly. What was the reason you bounced. Will you just went like all right. We're on another foreign twelve team like what happened when you decided to leave new york and all the different options show. It was You know it's very interesting time. I'll start by saying. I thought i was going to be a lifer with new york. That's what iran has i. Listen i really thought. I was going to end my career. There and joy love new york and my biggest thing being compare wanted to. I wanted to be. Patriots are really wanted to beat the patriots or playoff spot in all that stuff. So saw genie comes in switched. Three four and it was really wasn't so much three four it was styled three four that were playing and you know it was a site dude. We worked that bad of a defense under her. Our record was bad. Were reform twelve but we were still pretty salty defensively. So you as a coach. I always felt like coaches are there to put the players in the best position possible but unfortunately it was the other way around where mangini comes in his eye. I'm gonna run my defense. And i'm just gonna bring players into run. I want to run as i. Okay if you wanna do that with spine. Then that's when. I decided well is best for me to part ways right because this is clearly not gonna work on two hundred. Thirty conso can wet. And you haven't butting up against guards twenty four times a game so Did you talk to jeanie about it did you. Did you know if i talk. Yeah you know we ask them or essay myself. At the sean l. is late was there are a lot of us are like a coach. We didn't even ask for four three. We're just like can use stunned us. You know like do de lime games. Do linebacker says i do something to help was not just sit there and just take it. We're like just anything like hey you know a pretty running so you just let me run. I might be able to make a play here right. Okay is that is that because of man nanjiani because when you go and play new england if you play on the edge there like don't expect to get sacks because it is everything so let's keep it in front of us you know. Hold it up. Make some linebackers in place. But they don't wanna get real creative. They're not running at thomas johnson. I think they are pretty straightforward. So i imagine that's what man jeanie was doing. Because that's what do also think about who they. Who did it. nobel. Jake hat right. You have Rigid seymour right. For right bruce. Jeez yeah these guys are. I ward was really good too. Yeah i warned. Yeah yeah guys are built for this right. So i'm like a and so i always bigger again. This is back then young. But i figured all right gene coming in is going to see the Pretty good defensively. Let's work kind of either scheme in figure that out of gopher know great example going back to the steelers and mike tomlin dominant wasn't reform. Got tomlin was four three guy through and through and then he comes over to steal pretty good. Why am i gonna change this resulting right Gordon okay i can learn. This is this is j at any goes and gets guys admits the mets good coaching. So when you almost leapt all did you almost go. Ooh was came down to detroit and new orleans and it was a rob moore. Another was head coach at the time. Oh i think a tremendous defensive coordinator clearly wasn't working out as a head coach. And i remember going up there and it was snowing in awe. No i can't do this. I know cold in new york but at least you knew city right beside You don't give me a tour of everything and i love iran. Hours pre jumeirah marinelli. You'll get you fired up outside. I can't see myself live here like this or so. Are you saying to them or are you just pretend base for the hat. This is awesome. Yeah and you know to be honest on that. But make the most of it. But i really did not want to go there so we get on a flight. I right before off emirates. Someone my age i was like a is do whatever you gotta do to semi over to new orleans if you jam whatever. I don't know how this works is whatever you gotta do madness every to new orleans so I land and i remember getting a. That's actually let the voice mail message outside arielle. so let's males only call. He's gonna go saints so all right. I can work as good dibella check with you. The guy after jets games where he would go up to shake your hand because that's like the big honor right when bella check goes and seeks you else so he did not seek me. I was very interesting. It didn't seek me out. Let me backtrack was. He comes down to miami. He works myself. Dj williams out. Yeah and like does a legit workout man. We wear for like an hour and a half. And we're going hard as elegance each other goes. You don't wanna show you're playing favorites or being assaulted boy. Anything like that and as soon as we have done you didn't say thank you say you know good job were is goes okay. Walked up so many. Dj is like what happened right so first experience many goes address or board right so i was. What was that all about so never sought me out. Adrian's jets patriots. Employees never stopped me out. And it wasn't jew. We play when i was saints. And he comes down as monday night football game and we took it to And it wasn't so bad game that he comes seeks me out of sight as it like. Hey good game or anything like that. He just comes over six. I'm so glad you're at new york. Okay he's like no. I'm serious. i'm so glad you're at your your helluva player. And i'm glad you're the states as i orion go so i guess up by one story with ability seeking mia okay. Yeah but that's that's like another level of a confirmation so tastes him hill. I've watched the third down plays. I've i've watched the zone reads. I watched breeze comes off in the red zone and gone whatever. The can't make anything out of the bit stats. They'd had the two previous seasons. As i mentioned at the top. I've watched these two games. There wins he might be borderline. Terrible though i do not i do not get this at all I understand james has turned the ball over a little bit. I don't understand the money. I don't understand the investment. I don't understand Like i'm not even gonna give peyton a hard time about some of the quotes again. As i mentioned at the top of this but i can't believe that this is a real thing with a franchise that is been a really good franchise has been standard. This has been one of those franchises that you want to be more like. And depending on what happens with brees even available I thought the same had a chance to win a super bowl of with tyson. I i'm i don't care what the record received ends up being. I actually think it's way worse than people are talking about. So i can not bad taste them. I haven't watched film on yet And i say that because the fahd's in how right just diving right dive into wherever teams. I'm calling so of from the little. That i know i give you a better down the road but from little little that i know i view this as okay. We're trying to find out about taste will right in like you said after years brighter that gimmicky styles maybe guns in throws maybe one pass whatever now we really get to find out who he is right just like last year right. Everyone wants to figure out who is teddy. Bridgewater is teddy bridgewater. Distant handball only time game or can he really lead a team leading off And fortunately they found out. The is a legitimate quarterback blake. Welding is playing well for so the next is now a year later. The next player stays bill. All right. who is facing is he just gimmicky guy or can be a legitimate quarterback in the nfl and need an offense to big juice right now. No it sounds like a resounding from me. So that's fine right at least now no right because now it. Let's say drew leaves after this year. And i don't like to be that dismissive of a guy that's only had two starts but it just it really. It reminds me of the tibo stuff. Were like a one again but l. So that's that's great because when you think about it now at julie's after this year you go into next year and now there's no more from the fan's defense all tastes tastes and put him in face. Ob does really well blah blah blah now. It's jameis. Winston stays at wednesday. Starting job is going to be like. I could see why you know what i mean. They can be like if you go back to the last four games last year and much. Ajami tasted stunk. It up all right. There is no more this real battle. Battle quarterback battle is speaker. So i can see. Sean really wanted to have a really good assessment of who is as mill. Is you to your off in wichita. Many sounds like no abortion is still winning games while waller finding out that it's a note. Yeah but the rest of the roster the receiving the rest of the schedule going to have teams that have quarterbacks they still have james now and like you said everyone. I love james but i play james at this point but you know doing jamie's right. Everyone forgets he threw for five thousand yours. All of us remember. We just don't know that there are some other stuff. That was going on with receptions. I'm a lot of bad backup. That no i mean. Look is the third stringer. That's a great third. Stringer like i said at the top. I'm really proud of you. And i'm going to share this. You didn't know. I was going to say this. But i'm gonna share this because you told us before we started taping. 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But first as you understand it today and as we all know somebody you work with urban and when you said like hayes fifty six years old and your piece i was like an. It's another good reminder that despite the health thing we're not talking about an older coach here like what's the best way to describe him potentially being interested or texas wanting to go in that direction of move on from herman. Well i definitely think that texas has gotten to the point from my understanding. The ut brass is prepared to move on from tom. herman and. I know we can talk about that in a minute more. But it just. It's just not working out. I mean recruiting is is backsliding. It's just been a lot of disappointment right. And so from the urban meyer piece of this is interesting. Obviously full disclosure. I work with them on the big noon. Kickoff show at fox and Look the health concerns that he had when he stepped away from ohio state those a real smell like those go away and so i think that is definitely something that could that will still factor into his decision but on one hand i think look urban sees fox has the big twelve. You know he'd be blind and not saying. Wow the big twelve. Is there for the taking right now. I mean it's not a great league. Yes oklahoma has lincoln riley but they've struggled this year and it's not like they're competing at the alabama level. And i think if you're urban meyer looking back oh you know the guy who who worked under me couldn't get it done but i probably could. I'm sure i could. You know that kind of thing. And i think those coaches and you know this ryan's like those guys especially the ones who are the ultimate competitors and like just manic about it where they live it. Every basically every moment of the week for them is fourth and inches. that's urban meyer. Those guys. it's hard for them to shut that off. Just kinda comes back. Having said all that like really really into doing the tv show by. He is more engaged in our big noon show than any analyst. I've ever worked with on any other show it doing. tv like he really cares about his segment. he cares about the show. He's invested in it. And i think on on that part i think he very much is into it and i think he appreciates it. Hey i have a. He sees the reaction that people watch him and they they see his perspective and he has a big voice now on that. And so you know on one hand. I think there's probably time during the week where he sits back and looks and goes. There's not that many great jobs that could be a great job. And i'm a coach at heart and i'm sure there's other days of the week where he's like the tv situations not bad. And i'm into it. And i know i'm good at it and i know that we're building something here and you know. I think all that stuff. I think makes it complicated right. I mean i don't think this is just texas can throw a ton of money at at urban meyer so that it's gonna tempt them. I just think it's a chance to go aboard. He won three national titles. I one two and two different conferences i could. I truly believe i could win. Want to keep winning but at the same time you know he did. Walk away from a really good job because of health reasons. Those health reasons are still there. Yeah this is pretty common. Though when the health issues are or more pronounced during the activities that make them more pronounced meaning the stress of being a coach. It's really easy to go. Oh hey i actually feel better now. It's like well okay. Is it because you're better or is it because you're not coaching and so that's the hard part none of can speak for urban on that one But you know i. It's it's also the boosters aren't going to care they give he wants to coach. It's urban meyer. like knots. say that they're insensitive but basically saying like that's how people were just gonna cove urban wants job so you believe herman his out that what what what's going on there because the one thing about her it's not like herman was the hop coordinator. He went to houston. Did it in the state and showed okay now. He can do as a head coach. I'm i'm really surprised at the herman thing has not worked out. Well yeah. I'm i'm surprised that it is. It is really fizzled as well. Now here's how i would frame. It is the people who are the decision makers there are prepared to move on. Now the question is if they know they get urban meyer. I think it's it's a no brainer for them. If they can't get urban meyer. I know that from people. I've talked to me chris. Conte the really likes james franklin and is that a move they make after you start getting. I think this is. This is a little bit like where. Usc was also a little bit. Like where michigan is. If you do not have the slam dunk higher guy. Then you know do you make the change. If there's not somebody or one hundred percent on can come in there. And you think. Really elevate the program now with herman a year ago My crew and midseason did a game. They were about to play. Tcu and they had already been struggling a little bit and they were really bad on defense and offense was carrying them. And i remember talking to people around the program in the bye-bye got was that you know in in layman's terms. It was like they're over him. It was almost like toms message was had had fallen kind of on deaf ears. I think there was a lot of people. There just felt like all right. I don't know really what the identity here is. And they were struggling with that usually. When you hear that it's hard to get it back while they ended up losing that game and really. It was a bad game for sam. Litzinger was his first bad game of the year gets picked off four times at tcu and You know just was kind of a done. A year and herman's of firing almost the whole staff including a bunch of those guys who help you know. Help them at houston who who he brought with him from houston and look not say that that the guys he hired in place the ones he fired our are aren't good coaches Now i think people look at him. Go there's been a lot of games that they won. That have been toss up games. There's also been like the game. They lost friday against iowa state to good team campbell's a great coach and they lost that game. You know they've just been in so many fifty fifty games where you're like you're texas. You're the team with all these foreign five star guys. You should be better than this right now. It's year four and by the way. Don't think that jimbo fisher. What's going on to college station. Where he's now got program trending upward and recruiting really. Well that only makes it harder on tom. Herman so i think it's just a case where if you're texas. I think it's hard to get into well if we keep them for year five even though you're a four it's in a pandemic and we'd have to pay him. Just just tom the piece of it tom. Herman is fifteen. Plus million dollars. I think taxes still knows if we still have the head coach and twenty twenty one. It's not gonna make it any easier to recruit and You don't have sam etlinger there who has been really a the one stabilizing force for this program. No he's not You know no sampling isn't isn't trevor lawrence. He's a very good college quarterback and he's a really good leader and without him. I think things would be even worse if you didn't have etlinger. I can't even fathom what that team would be like. Because i mean he's tough he balls. I'm not even saying that. He has some bad games from a passing standpoint that he finds a way to like even keep them in the game. Okay by the way real quick on this before we jump to a couple other guys. Is it safe to assume that the urban tom herman relationship is such urban doesn't care if like he he's not the point where he would say. Well you know if if it were somebody else. I make sure texas new. I was available but since his tom. I don't want him to lose my job. I don't think the relationship is a good relationship with categorize it that now tom. Her defense coordinator is chris ash. Who was defense accord air. Urban really respects chris ash lot as a coach and as a person So i don't think i don't think about way is to jump in and just completely go on you know. Go out there and do that. But i wouldn't he he's not gonna potentially stay. Hey i can't do that because of my guy. Tom is is what we're we're not fun. Yeah this is not lincoln riley. I'm not taking the east carolina. Because i love ruffin mcneill situation. Okay all right. Good good analogy in shoutout to. Ecu right The franklin part of this as you write in your piece in the most ridiculous thing you could do is to be dismissive of franklin because of the season they're having this year it it hasn't impacted The desire i think for whether yemen could win the pac twelve and people are going to walk. Lay out loud l. A. which i've learned here first-hand You mentioned texas in the interest there. What about franklin's interest. Leaving penn state like does he feel like you know what. Maybe i should get out of here after this kinda season like. Well how do you sense. His his decision making process with what could be available. Yeah i don't think there's a big rush for him to to bolt from penn state in these recruited there well and i think he has for everything i've heard he's got a good relationship with the leadership there and he's from pennsylvania So i don't know if how tempted he would be. If if chris conte and texas came after him berry hard I mean it's texas. It is a really big job. The thing that you always wonder about especially for a coach. Who's been there for a while. And now jim. Franklin bennett penn state for a while is the do people start to get stale And would that be a situation. That would would be intriguing to him. I mean it's very rare. You just don't see a lot of like brian kelly. To me is is an exception right now where he's somebody who has yet to win. A national title is at a really high profile school. And he's he's getting better while he's there because he's he had a really bad year. I think it was three or four years ago. Changed a bunch of stuff. And they're legit playoff team and it doesn't seem like the fan base feels worse about him now than they did five years ago. Think they get it. I think they know it's not the easiest job and he is. He is doing well there. But i think for the most part you see whether it's like mark the georgia. I mean. it just happens where anytime almost every time. A guy that a high profile school and they've had success early but then it's almost like feels like it plateaus or maybe takes a step back. People are like they get. It's it's just like they almost get a little tired of it. I'm not saying jimmy. Franklin feels that way. And i'm not for sure. Saying the penn state fan base feels that way but i think it's if if texas comes after him. I think you'd be probably foolish. Not at least listen. what about hugh freeze. Because that's that's the higher where i guess if you're tennessee or if you're south carolina you just go and even the tennessee. Things still feels i. I know you can plug in some of the holes there. I mean tennessee felt like a month ago. Maybe six weeks ago is a better way to frame it. Like hey as sitting in the right direction so to move off appro- at this fast still feels fast. But you never know in the sec. Auburn the iron bowl to me was not surprising whatsoever. Other than gusts usually finds away at home And that was obviously tuscaloosa rebelling a bit here but my point is like somebody's gonna hire you again and hugh. I would have a heart harder. Time hiring than some of the other guys that that run astray. I would say You know with him. He wins games. He's a really good offensive coach. He's a terrific play caller He's all of those things. He's all of those things that if you're on the sec. And the most important thing is to win games because you are committed to playing football at the highest level. If you told me who freeze was going to be the head coach at tennessee. Next year i would say at the latest by twenty twenty. Two tennessee is a top fifteen. Like you free is going to go. Hugh freeze beat nick. Sabin back to back years. Nobody does that especially at a place. Like ole miss which is like you know has one of the worst stadiums in the conference and just doesn't have the same resources that the rest of them do and you can say you know. Yes he had a really ugly exit from ole miss in the in the escort service scandal but he ended up losing. Probably twenty a twenty million dollar deal on the process. So i don't think this is a case where it's like you know a decision makers going to go k or we're not trying to you know this is not gonna come with like the art riles level baggage of what happened at baylor. You're talking about something different. But having said that tennessee. It's year three hundred german pruitt. And it's your three in a pandemic which to me is like. I don't know that seems like like too soon to pull the plug. If you're fill famer seems way too soon. Yeah you're you're this is the guy you went to went to the mat for. It's only year three looked. Why if you ask me. Who do i think is a much better coach. Who has a better chance of win. Winning you freeze jerry. Pruitt one hundred percent confident you freeze but you put your already jumped down this road with with jeremy pruitt. You've got to give more time now. With auburn. i mean it feels like every other year gusts on the hot seat. It's going to cost a four disease right. And then they pay him and a little like we spoke about before where it's the guy who's been there awhile and they are just over it whereas you know. He had them on the brink of a national title like two years in. They lost the florida state and james at the end of the game and otherwise. There's been some really good moments and there's been some not so great moments but you know if i'm auburn. I'm looking at okay. I'm not worried about de hire anybody. I'm i'm looking at south carolina. I know freeze. i know. Sorry i know. Billy napier guys though. They like Who of that pool do i like. I don't see sark ever going to auburn. I think he's you know he's gonna coach anywhere in the state of alabama arrived at out and see if he can be the next guy for saving. But if i look at freeze was definite. Sec guy and i look at billy napier who turned down some some decent. Sec job opportunities. I could see billy napier going. I have a better chance of winning. Auburn than i would at south carolina and the question is do the leadership and it's it's out at auburn it's it's messy because it's not just like an a dis decision. There's a lot of money. People in ball is like you know does auburn. Look and go well. Tennessee may make a move to get you free so maybe we need to hustle or bill. You know it's just a lot weird little inner interconnected politics in those jobs. If you ask me. I think tennessee probably holds for another year just because they realize it's probably the wrong thing to pull the plug so soon. But it's the sec. We just saw south carolina basically eat up fifteen million dollars to part ways in a pandemic with champ so all bets are off. I want to do two more names here By the way the real quick though did you just hint it. Maybe sarp would just ride it out as the oc until saving eventually wants to retire. It wouldn't shock me. I mean there's people there who really respect sark. He's done a really good job as a place coach. I mean look everything that happened at. Usc sucks was lot of personal stuff. i i i think by all accounts. Everyone is talking. I'm a huge fan. Saw just say. I like sorry. I think he's a great coach and as long as all the other stuff is is good to go. I can't imagine he's not going to have other opportunities and he has had like he turned on a chance to get in it for mississippi state. He'd probably could have been the colorado head coach last year. Turnout on both. I think south carolina really interested. You know keep in mind ryan day elevated from ohio state as done really well lincoln riley elevated under. Bob stoops has done really well. Sometimes if you have a guy and it's different with him is at at sar start. Did have different issues but stark also has head coaching experience. But it wouldn't surprise me at all if he said you know what i'm good here. Maybe it'll be three years who knows But i i wanna see where this goes. Because it's not like they're compensated. Well he's learning under nick sabin and he could end up with a with a huge job in the process. Okay luke fickle. Will he turn down the michigan job if he's offered because of his ohio state buckeyes. Yeah i from from what. I've heard i think he would. I think he is so buckeye through and through that he just couldn't do it. So what does that mean for harbaugh. I think it again. I think with harbaugh. It's hard to know. Who do they hire. Who they think is a sure thing that makes them confident that that he can get it done. And you know. Does matt campbell on that job. Matt camel makes a lot of sense. I just don't know if he wants to be the michigan head coach. I mean and then i had this in the column this morning like jeff. Half leased done a really good job at bc. Did a log back. I by the way yeah. I hear people complimenting him all the time just scenes and stuff. He did a great job as ohio. State's defensive coordinator last year. He fixed a lot of stuff and before that he was known as a great recruiter. I mean he's got big ties in the northeast. I mean he's done a really good job. I mean they had been given clemson. Could handle before notre dame beat them and so the question is you only got one year a sample size with jeff. Half a head coach. That's a big leap. But if if i'm michigan and i'm having to make a list i would definitely look at jeff halfway long before i look at. Pj flack or you know. Somebody like whose name is out there more right so you don't have to ask for my vote on that one. No i know. I mean it's like asking stanford steve about certain coaches at least steve. Can you know his his big thing. Getting no steve. Over the years. I'd be like why do you hate them so much. And then he would tell recruiting story. They he he to this date hates penn state because way they recruited them and i don't really blame because he was like a kid at the time of year but none of those people were there anymore. He's again whatever Yeah my flecked. Certainly didn't recruit me. I deserve to be recruited for I feel like there's one other you know. Whenever the venables thing comes up. I really do feel like he's so different and it makes sense eight. Maybe the best defensive coordinator we've seen in one place in a decade bahar argue against that He's that good. He's also paid that well. His sons are on the team and normally that profile. You know once the sun's move on all kind stuff You would expect that he would just want to be coaches point. All these guys wanna run their own programs at some point and yet whenever i ask about him people just a little different. He's just a little different this way. As long as clemson keep paying him he might be happy to stay in the same role. As is that fair or do you get the sense. He's actually gonna wanna try to run his own place. I think that's fair. I mean He he's had decent power five job opportunities that he is declined in. He's known the people involved and they're not bad jobs but as you said you know. Both his sons are there you know. He's well respected. He's obviously well paid Having said all that he coached oklahoma he played at k. State you know again. If i'm crystal conte he would be the one assistant coach who i would really think a lot about because he has a reputation as being a really good recruiter as you said He's a great defensive coach. Iras with lsu when they were preparing for that game against clemson and he just causes problems because he does a lot of really manipulative stuff for the quarterback to deal with. And he's aggressive. And even talking to dave aranda during the year. About like you know brent. Venables plays off having a really good offense because he can be really aggressive. It's one you're not hiring the him though to be the defense coordinator and gary patterson zone defensive coordinator. It's work really well but for the most part most guys aren't that way right there. They delegate it. So i think there's the challenge i mean i also think if you're venables. He's still very vibrant. I don't want to say he's not young like thirty five young but he's still nobody thinks. Oh is that guy fifty nine or whatever you know. He's actually insane on. Yeah a super high energy never going to be an issue. Yeah but it's like one point you start at. The perception starts to become your bud foster which is no disrespect but after a while. It's like wait does that. I even want to be a head coach. Because he's so good at what he does and usually people think the next step up to be a head coach. I don't think venables is at that point persona or perceptual especially with his kids. There but again i don't it definitely wouldn't hurt to ask because i think he is really that good and i think he's more than just like there. Are some guys just skiing guys. I mean he's a really good recruiter. i think he's really well respected by people in the program. He has he if he really wants to be a head coach. There's nothing that should be stopping him. As bruce feldman you can read all of his work at the athletic and check him out on fox sports as well. Thanks man was buddy ryan. Thank you we will get to life advice. But i will get to miller lite advice. Get twenty twenty. Is the year of cancellations in his. 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I am liquid so now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required the first life advice again. Like advice are edgy. Meal dot com the first one check in here a long time. Love the show. Okay got it on a thirty year old. Cpa the south accountant. I've been in public accounting for about ten years and recently become a partner at my firm will shout out to you at thirty two partner. I am proud of my accomplishments at my age but certainly have more goals in mind. Okay on the price. My question relates to dealing with people who are completely wrong about a topic or feel as though they know i'll i'll aspects of a complex issue. There are few topics are less fun to riff about during a cocktail party. Your tailgate than the us tax code but inevitably acquaintance constantly wanna discuss me and of course pick my brain. I consider myself a very normal dude. Thirty two married with a child on the way on my home big time sports fan love golf etc there. Plenty of topics. I can make a small talk over constantly. The topic slowly drifts over to taxes. The worst part is biting my tongue when someone is completely convinced. They've the cheat code and wanna tell me about. This is the equivalent of the capillaries. Goes up guy for you all right. In my mid twenties. I felt like i handle this kind of buffoonery better and catching myself sounding like a bit of a know it all or even an asked my response is it is getting harder and harder for me to correct people as they spread totally false information as i look back. Now i've grown my professional network. None of them come from these casual conversations over the years. And i believe being a normal dude and a pretty nerdy field has been incredibly beneficial. I would agree good acknowledgement there. There's a very effective way to build a business but being the astle tailgate. Who told joe spit cup. Creating an llc by beaufort tax write off is a ridiculous idea. It's probably not the way to accomplish that. How do you handle people with horrible ideas or perspectives on topics. You know a lot about. Can you really just by tongue if someone came to you to party and brag about their favorite nba team just gain the super value traded exception. How would you respond. Thanks love the show okay. This is really good because it speaks to definitely part of my profession. That isn't always the best but you don't want to come off like a jerk and say You know i. I shouldn't have to talk with anybody about sports. Because i'm such sports genius. I a decent number of you that still think. I don't have a fucking clue about anything that i'm talking about Despite all the work that you put into it and you just kind of tell. It's kinda like watching schedule. A basketball within two seconds. You go okay. This guy played or can't play and for me. I can usually tell within a few seconds. What the depth of knowledge will be for this person and whatever sports topic they're asking me about and i'm sure the exact same thing happens you and honestly there's a bunch of you now listening whether your insurance or education whatever it is People people want connect. This isn't even just about these these subjects. It's the desire to connect. Because you know what no one doesn't a conversation. Oh hey what do you do. Well i'm in real estate. Oh i know anything about real estate. So i'm just gonna sit. This one out doesn't happen you know whether it's the person who wants to buy a home or is bought a home. It doesn't make you a real estate expert. you know. i'm not a chef. Because i pick out stuff actually disa- cook but you know what i'm saying. You can like food. But it doesn't make you a chef and you can like sports but it doesn't mean you actually know what you're talking about all the time so when you're about to enter a tax conversation with an actual accountant although let's be careful and talk about taxes that's not cool There's you're never going to meet your rarely ever gonna meet anyone that can ever be on your level and not only. Is it the human desire to connect on these topics. Because it's just what people do. I think it's actually kind of a nicer thing. Even though it's annoying in its driving you crazy and all of you right now. That are in your field when somebody's at a cocktail party talking about your field and you're just like this guy sounds like an asshole. It's probably better than someone saying. I'm not interested in this at all like it. Just small talk and that's what people like to do. We like to gossip. We'd like to spread the word on something You know this is. This is very this. Goes back to like that. Sapient stuff work gossiping. Became the main reason we're this upright I dunno eight billion people now. all right. so you're going to have to do. I would say just do this. You just have a bite sung for the rest of your life and no because it's never gonna stop happening so you can drive yourself fucking crazy by correcting everyone all the time or you're just to have to learn how to adapt to it because you still are representing yourself. You're representing a business and you don't wanna be like a jerk about it like i had a thing i forget it was. Was it like a christmas ago or something. I was out some friends and this guy was just on. He's going to hound me. He was going to hound me the whole time i could tell and it was on and on and on and he was the million basketball questions and i was trying to be nice. 'cause he was a friend of a friend i could see that he was excited to meet me and took the picture. Did the whole thing and it went on and on and do we're talking like over twenty minutes. And he was following me around like different spots. They were hang out in and files a. Hey look look man. You're actually not remotely interested in any of my answers. You only wanna tell me all the things that you think about sports and you're hoping that i agree with you. So somehow that's validation of you and that a couple of things broke different way than maybe you'd have my career like i've seen this a million times already know what you're doing. I can see it and like you understand. I'm i'm here my friends and this isn't quiz night. You like this. Isn't you quiz me all night. And i think that i gave him. Twenty minutes is probably a long amount of time. But i can't do that thirty seconds in with people for the rest of my life because it drives me crazy. So why do you have to correct everyone all right so the simplest part of this is i know it's annoying and because your somebody that works in money and they're going to always think that you have some tip and saving them money and that's that's the way that works but just because you're a partner thirty two doesn't mean that you're not still making first impressions in a small town a town. I know pretty. Well i would. I would say just going to have to learn to to to move on. Because here's what's more it's going to be way more annoying for you to try to correct everyone all the time because that's the other thing people don't wanna be corrected even when they know they have no depth on the topic whatsoever. You know i'll run into somebody say like you know i can't believe how i'm trying to use like a good example that everybody would would understand here i go. Hey i can't believe anthony bennett. Wasn't better actually. That's that's too in depth. But i'm just using that example somebody like i can't believe anthony bennett wasn't better like well. You know what he was actually kinda her any wasn't in great shape and honestly it was kind of a weird draft and the team from office. Liked him. They liked that canadian thing. I dunno and then the guy would say gonna you know. I don't know and i'll be like dude. I just gave you five answers. I just gave you five answers wiped and work. And i'm telling you and i'm like i know what happened and i know you don't have access to information but you're still gonna argue with me about it so if you wanna keep correcting always people just gonna drive yourself fucking crazy. So don't do that and just kind of nod and say i am. I never thought of it that way. And just you'll save yourself a lot of stress. I think that cowherd commercial made it hard for you and everybody else like you. He's arguing with the dry cleaner about sports. That just everybody. I all all of you just will do that forever. So i think it. I think it brought a lot more conversations your way. Do you know the calmer now. No meshu that commercial was great They ran they actually used to run. Espn radio ads on tv. And the tv was like all right. Why are we doing this. Why are we giving ads. Space radio promotion And i don't know. I don't know how any of that comes off. 'cause i this is not a complaint. I have a great life. This is an this is an awesome thing. But i guess i just either hope. There's a lot of you nodding in whatever industry you're in and is that the the instinct of the person that's uninformed try to make some sort of connection with you even if they like. I don't know people have a hard time with admitting they're wrong. Admitting they have no idea what you're talking about Changing their mind. And all of these things i believe are connected to how people interact with with somebody. That's an expert on somebody and especially this guy emailing us like you can probably tell this person how to better save their money. It's a big one that yeah what. What better motivation of. Go ahead and pick the brain of a guy like that This is going to happen the rest of your life and so you can stress out about it or just figure out a way to go. Hey what what. Baseline of of disconnect sept-. You know just keep changing the subject on okay All right one quick quick one here. This one's brutal. Hey my name's Like we're not gonna he's from nebraska will just say that because i've got a dilemma Thirty i've never been called ugly my life my dad bodice start creep up pickup all legend around here. Shout out Anyway my problem is i have an awesome woman. Honestly perfect almost every way and i'm thirty so it's about time i leave the game and settled down if i want kids. She seems like the perfect person star life with just one problem while going through her phone. I know invasion of privacy center fantasy lineup. So you went through were phoned of fantasy lineup But then okay. He admits he's like i just went to her videos in her phone and saw sex tape with an ex you for some reason. I clicked on it while. 'cause 'cause you're already interphone so you're going to click on it anyway I clicked on at watched. Some of it now. I can't get out of my brain. It's stormy off with most every way she doesn't know i've seen it yet. I know everyone has a past. And i've been finding out more things that suggests she might Have a little history before we met any suggestions on how to get over this or should i just cut bait and find someone else. Appreciate it Look you look at your phone. So i honestly i have a way bigger issue with you going through her phone and her. You know having Something going on with the rex. But yeah you're not gonna see that the so you probably just going to have to break up. Sorry but think about this. You'll be single and you'll be motivated to get back in shape and get rid of that. Dad bought life. Advice are are chiel dot com. Okay a great show. Thank you very much Just because we were fired up to get vilma just huge fan of his and so please subscribe rate. View the pod back. We have an awesome book. We might call our house wednesdays instead of weird wednesdays now as cole hauser and we have this book that i read recently i think a life advice. Email somehow ended up in my My inbox that was suggesting book and had nothing to do with life advice and so i read the book and it was incredible. And i'm hoping this interview with the author is going to be terrific. I think we're doing that. So maybe we'll start calling our house wednesdays but that's when i start to forget basketball starts in three weeks which is like. Oh that's that's right via basketball again. So we'll we'll figure it all out. Please have a great week. 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