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As Antonio Brown's World Turns

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22:07 min | 1 year ago

As Antonio Brown's World Turns

"Pardon the interruption but i'm mike wilpon sony researchers studying the origin of life on earth have discovered four billion years ago amino acids stabilized stabilized membranes against magnesium. I'm tony kornheiser and thus larry king was more are. Let's let's be honest here. That's responding. Neither one of us has any idea of what the hell. I just described what amino acids are okay with urine english major. I'm a journalism major. We have no idea what the hell that is. I know that amino acids in combination with random things could produce larry kids aids confident of that. You reduced it to random thing. He's my friend and i can say welcome to the boys and girls in today's episode. How much it's money does deck deserve his the n._b._a. Putting too much pressure on zion and does andrew luck have they second injury but we begin today with antonio brown and finally showing up at oakland raiders camp accompanied of course by his agent. The ever loquacious to rosenhaus brown said he was happy that the raiders had supported. Adam said he looked forward to playing football said he'd been seeing a foot specialist. Who we named marty earlier he went on twitter looking for a legal helmet he could wear and he's willing to trade. A practice warned raiders helmet ford such a deal wilpon. I know you love antonio brown. What do you make of all this tony. I don't know where to start with this. You'll so much breathless. Analysis is devoted to this chunk so much attention is just on a daily basis is given to anything. Antonio brown does from posting something on instagram. I'm just saying whatever stupid thing he says next and i'm i'm appointing myself the guy in the media who is just going to say about everything thing related to antonio brown. I don't give a damn when he plays and catches then you and i on p._t._i. Can analyze what he does until then then. I don't care where he finds his helmet. I don't care if he finds it in a in a in a second hand dog food store shop. I don't care if you care hear about antonio brown's. Something's wrong with you. All of this is junk okay. I care about antonio brown. I care about football. I care about watching eighteen great talent. I think the raiders one here. I think john gruden's one because jon gruden has publicly supported antonio brown the raiders the raiders daters knew who he was when they signed him. They knew what to expect. I watched this all week. You turned it off. I watched it actually time he's on almost every ex-player savings zang thing here's what they said they say probably bad for the team probably tremendously selfish but publicly you gotta show him. I love because if you don't you have lost him why. I think he's a great talent. I have a great year one year then. I think he's done over there. I think the raiders raiders win. Players have to show him love. You don't have to love coke. Where's the skeptic where is cynical. Anthony era went court heizo. Well not come to know for forty years. What why would you care about anything. This dude says or does he takes the field to catch passing. I'm going. I'm gonna tell it to you in this way because we do a half hour every single day. We fill it up eight wheels it up money money money. Ah he may fill up your screen filled up by 'cause. I can click over to something anything. Let's stay with the subject of quasi disgruntled star football players first. We heard the deck prescott. It turned down thirty million a year which is likely true next. We heard that he wanted forty million a year would seem to many of us preposterous since that would make him mm-hmm the highest bay quarterback in the league having won a single playoff game so tony what exactly would you say is a reasonable yearly pull for the a quarterback of the cowboys so if we believe that he is turned down thirty million dollars that he has turned down more than drew brees. Tom brady eighty make and drew brees and he ain't tom brady so we'll start with that. Let's go to the list of people who make thirty or more at the top of the list is russell wilson who who has won a super bowl thirty five million next ben rothlisberger has won two super bowls the reformer alan logic thirty three and a half won a super bowl then carson some wins hadn't done anything and right onto them as matt ryan who has been to a super bowl at thirty million if the eagles are crazy enough to pay carson wentz hence that kind of money that chris should he's better. He does more yes. That's the guy you target yeah. Target people quarterback spinning entire our lives targeting people defensive back linebacker. We're going this is the guy that he and his agent should target carson wentz the sum total of carson winston value so far tony to the actual football season particularly when we get late into it is to be a media darling to have people in and this business say every week all the time oh carson wentz is gonna be great. He's going to have a breakout. Season has been available jack. That's right. It's an anything no i got. I got beat him. I think three out of four times they played and has won one more playoff game and crustal once once was even in because he's not as a win started a game in december not sure not tony. I look at carson wentz. If i'm dak prescott say to the cowboys here's the deal you better be a symbolic amount of money more than that dude is making. He's a rival. I will in this conference and we shake hands on the field before game and make small talk. I want to be able to say hey you golden boy. I'm making more than you. Overweight goes. No argument without what we don't know in. This story is perhaps the most important part of this story is how does his money affect ezekiel elliot and his money because the cowboys without ezekiel elliott dak prescott can be the greatest quarterback on earth and they're not nearly as good tony. We we agree on that but you know he'd be. He'd be making more money than carson win and that's fine but he's already. He's turned down more than tom. Brady and drew brees may come emma on further examination of the newly released n._b._a. Schedule and by that i mean noticing anybody other than the lakers and clippers the new orleans. Pelicans are on national television twenty times more than a loaded utah team in denver was led the league in wins. Last year in reality is not the pelicans that are on all the time. It's zay on the league is wasting no time in feeding fans. The newest star as often as possible question is tony whether there is real risk risk involved in doing there's tremendous risk one what if he gets hurt and he's lost for some are or part or the rest of the season after he gets hurt because we all remember him in college sitting on a floor with half a sneaker okay to what if he's not that good what if these attendant five guy and you know and he's supposed to be at twenty and ten guys so there there is i understand why you program at this way because there's an excitement about him that you haven't seen in a league probably since lebron ron james but if you're asking us mike of course his wrist course tony there is i want to go to the glasses. I think there's less risk than you think there is because i think the pelicans are not a one man team. I david griffin built something pretty good for a first year group to go out there because they also got drew holiday. Who's at all star tony brandon ingram who he's i've got to think if he's healthy he's going to have a breakout from the lakers and all that drama and now he's gonna get significant minutes and less pressure j._j. Redick proven commodity derrick eric favors proven commodity lesser proven commodity josh heart. I mean tony. They got some talent around him and so he doesn't have to go out there. He doesn't have to be the twentieth ten guy you're right. That's what we're kind of expecting at least late in that first year but i don't think there's as much risk as you do. I think the pelicans can play as an ensemble dollars a one man team okay so i'm going to go back to my experience in monday night football in two thousand seven i think it was everybody thought the atlanta falcons. We're going to be great so they got three games on monday night football but that was the year michael vick was arrested for fighting and nobody cared to watch them after that the next year the cleveland browns romeo cornell's cleveland they workout. They got him there on three stuck. Nobody wants to see them so you you. I understand the programming. I'm not certain things and we're going going to be that kind of stinks bag because i know i know but they're very very young very young team. They might be good. They might not because they're very young. You don't know brittney griner has been suspended for three games for her part in the punch out the other night but even before her suspension greiner threatened to leave the w._n._b._a. Yea telling the error zona republic quote. I'm not playing here for the money because we don't make enough. I'm getting texts for protecting myself in games and flagrant because 'cause they always only see me how they handle. This will determine a lot about the future because how can i fight for some league. That doesn't even want to protect their players unquote. Hello woman how seriously should the w._n._b._a. Grinders warning not at all. I mean britney greg's one of the five best players. They wouldn't three best players the w._n._b._a. But tony is not like britney. Griner is above it all or is such a marquee star that she is commanding gate and television ratings and is so popular that the w._n._b._a. Can't exist without her okay. Britney griner is not the equivalent in that league of say lebron james she is it and so when you have this ugly incident on television i understand her complaint the she's getting just jostled in elbowed and pushed around too much fine. You and you're coaching your general managing your owner your agent you all go to the w._n._b._a. And you sit in that office and said we got to change his but these sort of public threats after that ugliness no no. It's a non starter sorry. The w._n._b._a. Has been around for over twenty years. It's all right. It hasn't made a big dent in anything. The attendance last year was the lowest. It's ever been the teams that play an n._b._a. Arenas maybe they fill it half way maybe they don't people don't go because brittany grinders there and they're not gonna stop going brittney in greiner. Isn't there women's tennis. It's not the women's world cup soccer. They don't have you use lebron james. I would use i on again. I'd put him back in the show. They don't don't yet have a zaylon that people all around the country have watched for a while and want to see all the time. I wish him all the luck in the world. This has happened. I additive rossi's great player g left. I mean the printing credit can make a million dollars in russia as opposed to one hundred fifty america now. Let's take a break with coming up. They play on thursday. Should we expect more. This season on the raiders or the cardinals and labor torres has put up huge numbers numbers against the orioles but cincinnati reds rookie doing something even more impressive so they i think they need like serena williams. They need somebody who everyone news. Yeah face-mask pretty greider is a dad and a champion. She is a champion she it and now i fought from geico motorcycle. It took fifteen minutes to take a spirit animal. Quiz online cleese be the cheetah the cheetah and and learn your animal isn't the cheetah but the far less appealing blob fish. Come on glad insult to injury. You could've used those fifteen minutes to switch your motorcycle insurance too geico geico fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on motorcycle insurance. It is time for the game the kids a versus b. This versus that winner versus versus loser toss up what i toss up. They play on thursday. Who do you expect more out of the season the raiders or the cardinals. I spent more the raiders. They haven't experienced n._f._l. Coach which the cardinals don't they haven't experienced n._f._l. Quarterback which the cardinals don't they got a wide receiver. Go into the hall hall of fame closer to his prime than the cardinals do provided his feet for out. I know that it's fashionable to look at at kyle murray and of kingsbury and say wow they could be great together and maybe they could be an it's fashionable to slam the raiders. The raiders are a better team. I expect more from them. You've been saying just for five years for some reason. You must think al davis is walking through that door not al okay because i sit here. You know what it's like and i hate to use this analogy because actually like the team fema to mention that curly w behind you with the washington nationals every year all the national media people like you fall in love with them and say oh. They're going to win issue this <music>. This is the raiders because i like my zone. I liked i liked the nationals. The raiders on sick of the raiders. I'm sick of the national slurp slurped pige of the raiders. I expect more from the cardinals who also don't deliver but they don't delay the raiders. You ought to be harris. You do arizona queen inning next time. That's more impressive. Homerun binge gleyber torres or our status aquino so tories is killing the orioles okay. If i have this correct yeah the ore hit three more home runs in two games yesterday against the orioles. He's got thirteen homers in seventeen games. This is the most host against one team since roger marras in one thousand nine hundred sixty one st oreos teen against the white sox but everybody's killing the orioles. This kid john cincinnati. He's got eight home runs. Since august first. He's got eight home runs in twelve games against four different teams l. of now. We're going to the playoffs so the kid of course of course it is tony. I've watched some of those fly out against cubs pitchers because he was playing them last last week or this week or wherever we i guess it was on the weekend tony he hits him. He's he's called. The punisher and i know cincinnati doesn't get to be on your radar because this way off. I ninety five but this kid is a marvel. He's like six four two hundred and twenty five pounds. He is the ultimate appeased the orioles if they were soccer would be relegated then. They only think this so the kid the odd things we call them. This kid he's twenty. Five and tories is twinned too. It's a three way better leaping grab kevin for not totti's junior or justin turner. Let's start with cure meyer. This catch is sensational. This is a high wall in the major leagues on a dead run rate and he's rams this and brings it back. That is a great great catch. Let's go to tattoo. He's shortstop so he's not going back on the wall but look at the opposite wall. He's over for the backboard. That is a great catch wreck and let's go to the minor league kid turner. It's a low wall. He goes over it and he totally goes over for it and that seems to be his deal earlier. In the season he spots awol. He goes over at mike if it's me i'm gonna say care meyer on prejudiced did you just it's the major leagues. It's a higher wall. It's an absolutely sensational catch because it's on the dead run. It's a great catch. There's one hundred seventy five of them by ken griffey junior a great catch okay but the what not tony who's by the way to me a year from now we could be talking about him being the greatest greatest like second-year player since mike trout. That's how great he is turning. The catchy makes the last guy to go that high do anything with a ball was vince carter order in a dunk contest raul uniform he would. He does a wall. Are you kidding me he his fate would have it over the wall. You know what all these research in-stat in-stat people you want to tell us something meaningful instead of the junk you daily basis. Tell us how high each one of those guys is off the turf and i guarantee until you to tease who by the way is like six foot three tony. He is the next marvel in major league person who got higher than him. Recently is simone viars. That's right up there. Netease toss up. What's left tiger woods golf season one tournament or two but i apologize joys beforehand for what i'm going to say. Every rational bone in my body says to say one. Maybe even less than one if something something happens to his back bought and here's the but that you will know he's playing medina in chicago. He won the nineteen ninety nine p._g._a. There he won the two two thousand six p._g._a. They're the only thing that stands between him and being able to defend the championship at east lake medina and mike i think he owns medina so so as stupid as this sounds and i know we asked the finish in eleventh or better. I'm gonna roll the dice with tiger and it's dumb. I am that's good good. I'm glad because tony i'm sitting here medina's over my shoulder somewhere out there and i was at those tournaments. He won at medina sony when he steps in the chicago. You would think he was michael. Jordan 'cause what tiger does in the chicago land area and that's what madonna is is win wins all the time win win win win win and i wanted to do that and i want to see him walk in the east. They can have those big galleries and all of that tone it is hard to i can't go there. I don't want to sell crazy like you. I'm going to so i'm not going to put that pressure on tiger. I'm rooting for it. Though that's it and talking about winners the winner wins again. Let's take one last break still to come to andrew luck have something more serious strain some curious comments from his owner and the owner owner of the new york football giants says he hopes eli as a great year and daniel jones never even see the field. Is that helpful woman. One mighty watch draft annual joe one of my. Why do you value coaches to grab rooting totally like i'm rooting for a eh time people up in thirty second birthday devon jason mccourty. They are identical twins. They played football together at rutgers. They did did not play together in the n._f._l. Until last season when jason joined devon in the defensive backfield of the new england patriots jason now has one super bowl ring devon and has three to go along with two pro bowl appearances to the best of our knowledge. Neither has frostbitten feet or any particular problem with their helmets lot of twins. Not many earrings of n._p._r.'s deal to lopez collins. The barbara's robin rex jose an osce horace and harvey. The morris poorest got some rings though tony horace grant dose happy happy anniversary wayne rooney on this day last year in the closing seconds of tie game bruni race back and stole the ball from an orlando player who's heading toward emptied goal dribbled forward and delivered a forty yard crossfield assist to luciano a costume for the game winning goal. That's gotta be the greatest goal. The history of the dc united franchise. Sadly rooney is leaving that franchise to become a player coach home in england technically going to play out this season but those of us who live in d._c. Aren't betting we're going to see much of. I got one mission this this fall tony to get you to watch international football. Happy trails to the twin share of the hale central league. The indians moved into sole possession of first on this carlos. Santana walk off home run against the red sox last night. It was santana's second straight game winning home run after his tenth inning grand slam beat the twins on sunday as we'll talk about the best team in baseball centers. There's on the astros the dodgers and the yankees one of us believes that by september first that talk with center on the indians tony. Do you believe in peaking too early and his dad that with the indians or possibly do this is the right time to peak one update. Carson wentz has played eight games in december. He's three and five in those games. Let's go to the big. Money back colts owner. Jim irsay tells sirius x._m. That into lock is dealing with a quote small. Little bone issue unquote newsradio irsays like listening to antonio brown. Why why would i do that giants owner john mara said quote. I hope he has a great year. Daniel jones fields close quote. That makes sense to you. It won two super bowls for him. It makes sense to me. Yes alex rodriguez. Rental car got robbed of a half million in san francisco your thoughts you might take what is a rod leaving that kind of stuff in the car. My question is why is the great alex rodriguez driving his own rental car. What jason day fire caddy stevie williams after six events makes me happy. Are you surprised not surprised with jason. Day is trending the wrong way. As jordan speak last one charlie manual is now the phillies hitting coach in seventy five eighty four eighty three and he's turned the mets pitching around a lot of time trying to better the next time. I'm tony kornheiser kornheiser old guys. They'd be like that my robots time tomorrow. Knuckleheads get the p._t._i. Podcast on the e._s._p._n. App or.

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Botswana Elephant Hunting; Arizona Migrant Aid Trial

On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts

48:53 min | 1 year ago

Botswana Elephant Hunting; Arizona Migrant Aid Trial

"This message comes from on points sponsor indeed. If you're hiring with indeed, you can post a job in minutes. Set up screener questions, then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard. Get started at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast. From NPR and you are Boston, I'm Meghna, chucker bardy. And this is on point in a world where elephants, one of this planet, most intelligent and impressive creatures are under siege by humans. The African nation of Botswana has stood out for its efforts in recent years to protect its elephant population. The numbers speak to their success home to one hundred thirty thousand elephants more than anywhere in Africa. But now but want us president has lifted the hunting ban in Botswana saying human elephant conflict is a real problem, but his hunting hunting the best solution. So this hour point butts wanna and its elephants, and you can join us, how would you balance the need of farmers with the need to protect elephants? Are you one hundred do you believe hunting those great creatures? Is a good way to protect them. And if not, what is the best way? Join us anytime on point radio dot org or Twitter and Facebook at on point radio and a little later this hour. We will. Erazo China where the trial of a university, instructor accused of harboring migrants along the border with Mexico ended in a hung jury this week that'll be later this hour. But first, let's talk about Botswana and its elephants. And joining us from Johannesburg South Africa is Pauline backs Africa. Reporter for Bloomberg. She's been reporting on the story of course, and we have links at on point radio dot org. Pauleen, welcome to the program. Hi. So first of all, explain to us why did Botswana decide now to lift its ban on hunting, elephants? Well, this was this was not an overnight decision. The government's prepared to the ground excuse me, by having a nationwide hair. He's about the issue. So last year, the new president came into office, who quit see matzec that was in April two thousand AT the one of the first things he did. When coming into office was ending a shoot to kill policy and withdrawing military weapons from their anti-poaching units. And that measure went by fairly unanimously approved, so there wasn't much to do about it. And after that, he flow today idea of lifting hunting, Ben not just on elephants. But then wildlife in general, and to prepare the ground, he organized, he set up a committee that would organize special hearings foreign white, so in, in small villages, and especially in the north where most of the elephants live to get people's opinions about the elephants, and after debts when it was clear that there was large supports for this lifting up to bend. They finally implemented. It's in April. Sorry in June. I see. And so when you say there was large support, especially in the north of the country. What form was that support taking what we're people they're saying? Farmers who are scared of elephants, and you have to keep in mind, they're extremely dangerous animals. They don't go around trampling people all the time, but they do destroy crops, because the north is an area where elephants live, but also where people grow most of the crops in the country, and so they come and eat them, and they look for water, and so they really trample people along the way I mean, not every day, but you could say almost every week, and so there are some Smoltz images where people don't go out at night for fear of running accidents, the into her elephants. And, you know, you don't always come out the life from that. So there was big support for the measure, especially on a rule people on the countryside. And so he decided to his might be good feet to do. And the other thing that I'm very mental. This have said, like look at this year, actually election year. So there will be elections in October. And this is a popular measure, that's been taking. And it might you know, help him to gain votes, especially on the countryside. Let's see. But how is it? That Botswana had been so successful in preserving its elephant population. Because as we noted at the top of the show, one hundred thirty thousand elephants in Botswana, more than anywhere else in Africa. How do they cheap that? Yes. So before Masisi came to office, there was a presence called, I'm comma, who is known as a quite fervent environmentalist, and he imposed a hunting ban on all wildlife in two thousand fourteen and the implemented to shoot to kill policy as well. There was already a large population of elephants, but it grew quite quickey two hundred thirty thousand day half. Now he also boosted tourism. So he may put on the map as a country, which was can come and observe like this amazing of life in youthful beautiful lodging. So he really boosted the tourist, the tourism sector and love people into I'm very happy about that. And the other thing is what's one of utes country. And there's not that many people, there's about two point three million people. So one elephant for every eighteen citizens about, so you would say there's lots of space for everybody, but that's not the case. Well Botswana's decision to lift the ban on wildlife. Hunting and elephant hunting has received global attention. So let's listen to Botswana's President mcquaid see Masisi answering questions last week about his decision to lift the ban. Here. He is never retain, so just wanted to exterminate elephants. And it's quite Roenick, because it is we who, what are the driest countries in southern Africa, who have homed the largest? Population in the wild in the world. That's what's want us president mcquaid. See must see see so Pauline. How are about swans reacting to the international response to their nations decision to lift the ban? Yeah. The government is very unhappy with the way it's been seved, even though they kind of knew it was coming, but they, you think that they should be able to handle their elephants the way they see fit, and what they've also been doing trying to seek some supports on neighboring countries that also have very large elephant populations like Zimbabwe who also it was improper, for example, self defense to China, because it says it has too many and to sort of rally support from countries around them and say, look, we, we can do this. You know, we, we know how to deal with these on the most, we've done his our entire life, we live with them. We know how to handle this. So feast, don't criticize us and keep coming as tourists because we still receive tourist in legitimate. You can still see, you don't kill them all what they will also do is invite trophy hunters, so that will generate more revenue than the usual safaris for tourists who come just take pictures. But they say they will only allow four hundred elephants to be killed intro fee hunting per year. So that's not a huge amount. Well Pauline, vacs Africa reporter for Bloomberg speaking to us from Johannesburg Pauline. Thank you so very much. Thank you. Well, let's turn now to Lommel Anthony Merima. He joins us from govern butts wanna he's a lawyer and political commentator for Botswana's national weekly paper, the weekend, post Anthony Maria, welcome to point. Welcome to you. Thanks very much for inviting me on the show. First of all, tell us polling backs had mentioned that there's an election coming up in Botswana, and that there may have been some political reasons for this decision to lift the hunting Ben is there truth to that. Indeed, the res the only cutting on in October this year. And you've got a candidate with the fact that his excellency president SEC has been making some decisions that would be regarded as a active to his political base one can conclude that, that is one of those projects or those decisions that I meant to, like, h he's a put it cut basin. They're forgetting votes in in the coming. Elections, especially considering the fact that these decision has been celebrated and related, especially on the row people, especially among the people whose livelihood mainly based on afternoons funding, etc. And that is the political that do really on a Democratic Party, rainy. She spun in tens of far elections. I see we'll Anthony. I wonder if do, but swan and see the international reaction to the president's decision as, as another moment in which the global community tells an African nation. We don't agree with what you're doing, but perhaps will not provide financial or institutional assistance to find better ways to manage the growing elephant population in Botswana. I mean how to Botswana and see that. In fact, they thought you in fact, one of the things that got one where it was when some government functionaries, I think you've independent themselves. It tried to who's the, the western interference cut, for example, to say this is one of the cases where western countries want to dictate tends to us indentify. We could better manage a while our resources something that has been destroyed to us by our gods. And that Trump cut has has got leverage amongst some people, especially like I said, just put he's got these, if you like in that God, which is why you see that most of the outcry what mainly by, for example, western bec- generalists, who are based here, it, western conservationists, who are based, and the media, for example, and a lot of people societal patients have not been keen in opposing the place. It has decisions. You might have seen recently. When the president was in USA, when one of the protests, spoke after question the headline from a newspaper that was covering these thirty day was who say president matzec shots Darwin. Coolest protests over yet. Lean seen routine that, that protest had no reasonable cost to question the, the president in that regard. So then tell me more. What do you think is likely to happen in the next several months or in a year regarding this issue of the elephants? In Botswana is, is the president determined to stay the course on this. To ease and as it Mike, what he stated Ilya because he knows he has support on that. I think one of the reasons why the plays into support on that is that this decision of innocent ban is, is associated with the former president who can general sorta come in, and you away that several people are against him now, mainly because of his departure from the Hulan, BDP, and his conflict, with Masisi. And that's like many of the projects that are associated to him. This is one project one decision, which many people said it, but the president Masisi having heaven resists invested. So one sees it continuing one physics, the president been placated overtly, because of Popolare I support him, but what will be done, which I've caught an economic Danny, but has been sent to the ordinary people that benefit from the disease. In the fall form, trust, and dude have hunting concessions and it could bring investments and that results in financial DVD's for them. So they Brit for that respect. 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You know it's code switch. Airlock of listen and subscribe, this is on point. Meghna chucker bardy. We're talking about butts Wanda's decision to lift its ban on. On wildlife hunting, specifically elephant hunting in that nation and the world's response to that let's actually go straight to the phones, Robert is calling from Baltimore, Maryland. Robert you're on the air. Hi, I just wanted to mention that I I was in Botswana about a month ago and on safari in visiting four different nature, parks and so many, many elephants, and their majestic animals, but they really kill a lot of trees and they eat the bark and we saw all four the different parks. Revisited many, many dead trees is result of what the elephants had done and the guides we spoke to where unanimous in feeling that they had to limit the number of elephants, because otherwise many more trees would be killed, and it'd be real danger to the national parks. So just want to add this to discussion, well, Robert, thank you so much for your call. So let's turn now to Richard Jero joins us from. Washington. He's wildlife conservationist and consultant recently retired from the US fish and Wildlife Service, after a twenty year career as a chief of the division of international conservation. He spent seventeen of those twenty years on the ground studying African elephants Richard Regina. Welcome to you. Thanks for having me. We'll so welcome to the program. And first of all, I before we get into the specifics of the impact that, lifting the hunting ban may have on elephants. I was wondering if you could actually just help us take a step back and give us a sense of the, the health, the numbers and the state of the elephant population in Botswana. Oh, that's a good place to start. Botswana should deserves to be recognized as certainly a, a world leader in conservation in many respects, particularly with elephants, as, as has been stated their population is very large, it has lived somewhat precariously with shall we say, neighbors in, that is local communities for a number of years, but Botswana is a tremendous country with fantastic. Tourism and is a country that is really quite, you know, going there, you get the impression of predictability, which when you travel internationally is a good thing. So Botswana should be recognized as a leader in conservation. And certainly as has been stated they certainly have a right and an obligation to manage their wildlife populations with elephants being the most important. Well, so when we say that the elephant population. In Botswana is very large that one hundred thirty thousand number. I guess the question is, is it too large? And is it too large because of human encroachment on lands that the, the elephants live on or farming? I mean, we were hearing about it in an increase in human elephant conflict there. So what's driving that? And those are two good questions that are nested the first one are there, too. Many in this is controversial because certainly as the caller robber Robert pointed out. It's obvious to see a great deal of vegetation damage trees are damaged in areas of heavy elephant, concentration, particularly and gathering points along the river in various watering points. And that is legitimate. However, biologically speaking, I think it's less impactful on the overall wellbeing of elephants into some degree other wildlife that depend on trees certain. It has an effect. So it's something to be considered. But I wouldn't give the Pat phrase that there too many elephants there and moving to a reason why there are, let's say so many elephants. Indeed. This is a very large concentration human activities, affect elephants in many ways their behavior what they do on a daily and seasonal basis. And so it's easy to understand that elephants would be affected in their occupancy, their seasonal movements by human activities. Those human activities can be agriculture can be poaching can be sport hunting can be tourism. So this combination of factors and, and let us not forget that bordering countries to the north of Botswana, have rather unfortunate, history, with elephants over previous decades where for example, and go ahead a civil war. There are many land mines, not much law enforcement and elephants, suffered greatly, and being smart mobile animals, who communicate very well with each other many decided to move to safer areas in northern Botswana in those areas have been made safe by the good efforts of the butts wanna government, particularly the butts wanna defense force, but the concentration is real and in the reasons for that concentration are some solutions. So I want to get to the solutions in a second. But it's absolutely fascinating to hear. You say that the elephants were responding to human conflicts and moving to safer locations, absolutely fascinating. But president must see see. Not only has he ended the hunting ban, but he previously ended but swan as shoot to kill anti-poaching policy. Right. Where the military was authorized to kill suspected poachers on the spot. I, I wonder I mean what is the greater threat right now to elephants? Is it poachers? Or, you know the four hundred or so elephants per year, that may be taken through newly legalized hunting. Well, I'll answer that backwards. A bit sport hunting for elephants is not going to be a huge numerical affect on the population and those numbers are quite obvious a fraction of one percent. But the devil in those details they're highly selected by sport hunters. And we can talk about genetic effects on the population of selecting the biggest and best bowls out of a population for a species, that is a dominance, hierarchy and were older stronger elephants. It's sort of monopolize the mating opportunities and therefore contribute, a disproportionate amount of genetics into future cohorts or generations. So, so, so that's, that's an important point. But. Elephants are, you know they're not buffalo who can be more easily managed by selecting. Let's say old and in the way bowls, and that is those that are on a decline and are no longer competitive enough to main contribute. Genetically elephants, aren't like that. And so that's an important point to consider also elephants are, as I mentioned in people, I think, well, no. Extremely intelligent social communicative animals who pay a lot of attention to people because they are smart enough and experienced enough to know that people are basically, their enemies that they kill them under certain circumstances, but wanna is a peaceful place, and they have much less poaching. Although it's been apparently on an increase in recent years, that's unfortunate. But in many other places in Africa, particularly in central Africa where most of my experiences. Elephants are so endangered on a daily basis by poachers. They understand that. And I do believe they've come to the conclusion that humankind is trying its best to kill every last one call it an animal genocide, if you will, and they react accordingly. And you can see the difference in populations that are not threatened in haunted versus those that are hunted. So these are profound effects, and so anything we do bit agriculture tourism land-use, planning providing water were denying it in a dry environment. All of those things have effects that may carry unintended consequences. So there are the genetic impacts as you were talking about earlier of an increased taking of the biggest most powerful male, elephants, given that the elephants are also very matriarchal, though, are there, any potential behavioral and social impacts in their societies. Yes, there are behavioral social ones as well. Not the same as for example, killing, a, a matriarch, for example, or one of the higher ranking females as you mentioned. They are matriarchal societies and after the bulls me know as a let's call them young teenagers. They get rambunctious and they're no longer quite welcome in the cow, calf herds. And so they're encouraged to leave in at some points. They, they get kicked out pretty firmly, and they go around in small groups of bowls or by themselves, as they get older and more competitive into a state cold must that's sort of like a rut, where they become in season, and they go, very far to their way to seek mates at that time, they become very aggressive and very dangerous when a large male that is perhaps part of the one percent of the population of elephants that would qualify for prime sport hunting. Trophy, a very high price. I might add, when that male is selected, of course, their genetic changes, and that's pretty easy to understand. But elephants. No every bowl, they know the big bowls, especially they no one one is killed that has affects on their society may be negative positive that's a judgment, but certainly on an individual basis in particular large, must Bill. Both are known frankly respected among elephant communities. Well, let's get some callers here. Let's go to sue who's calling from Baltimore, Maryland. Sue you're on the air. Hi, I'm lucky enough to have been on safari in Africa five times. And of course if seen Allison's each time and have learned a lot about them over the years. And the idea of sport shooting of these sentient, intelligent animals. Appalls me and I understand our metal consequences. If in fact, they're talking about bulls, and not metrics, I understand that different to, but my first instinct is to say, well, I won't go back to Botswana again. I will go someplace where they're working like Kenya where they are really working to protect the elephants, and Kenya also has a shoot to kill rule now about poachers. And I it, it sickens me that, that animals were these her sport. I would hope that I hope that the buds. Swan a government can find some other ways to raise money. Herds of elephants can be moved together because their family, I just think that would be a better solution. We'll sue, thank you so much for your call. Richard rijo. Now's the time to talk to what you see as better solutions here earlier in the program, we heard from Anthony Marimo, who was talking about the fact that farmers or community members, especially in northern Botswana support, this idea of opening hunting again, because they've been told that they can formed community trusts that they may get concessions from the, the sale of the hunting licenses. But certainly that must pale in comparison to the tourism dollars that come in to see the elephants. So what is a better solution than legalizing hunting while, I think a, let's describe it as a tool box that is various implements, various. Tools used to accomplish your goals. But first, we must define what are the goals of elephant management in Botswana. Secondarily, what would be the goals benefits, and perhaps on intended consequences of sport, hunting, elephants in these are decisions that can and must be made by the Botts want government? And I think they're quite capable of doing that. So to the second part of an answer to your various question. What are some of the means some, let's say, in addition to the tool of sport, hunting that can be implemented to improve the situation. Well. Certainly income to local communities is important, not only as an incentive to live with. Let's say pretty bad garden pests, elephants are not great neighbors, for people trying to grow crops, when people are very justified to apprehensive fearful and frankly, not to like, elephants very much. I think they respect them, but one can understand that they're not so happy to have them as, as neighbors during times of crop raising. Land. Use planning is extremely important. Some areas are vital for elephants in. They likely used them for thousands of years, and they correspond to seasonal movements in a very arid environment also easy to understand so doing a land use planning that allows for both the needs of people and of elephants is one of a long term solutions, and that's easier said than done also easier said than done are providing communities, and of course, the government that has the major responsibility to manage elephants, especially problem, elephants are deterrence, and there are ways of discouraging elephants. You know, unfortunately, they're smart enough to get around every deterrent. So you need an integrated system that uses more than one technique and can change up on the elephants to keep them away and keep them on their toes. What are some of those techniques while? People talk about beehives, and that's a legitimate way planting beehives around fairly permanent. Let's say gardens are farmed areas. B's don't get along. Excuse me. Elephants, don't get along with bees, very well day hear them. They know they're, they're in large quantities. They know that they defend their hives. And so they tend to move to areas they'll move away from areas with concentrated beehives, and so you not only get the benefit of deterring elephants. But also, you get Honey. I'm you can harvest that. And so that's a successful means but it requires support for communities to do that. It requires a level of capacity and competence to do that. Certainly the motivation would be there when they see it works. It does there are there ways fences are quite an obvious one. They are expensive. They can be affective and they frequently fail. And one of the major failure points is that they require quite a bit of maintenance, and a lot of times local communities who work very long hours in her out and fields. The last thing they want to do is spend a few more hours maintaining offense. And so it can work. But there's an if involved, there's conditions involve right? So land use planning deterrence nonlethal. You know, the, the sorts of. Things that are used on, believe it or not crowd control things. That flash bang rubber bullets cap space, and spray, that sometimes shot from shotguns, for example, in their shotguns all over the place. They can be used well, Richard jail. We just got a less than a minute to go. And I want to ask you one final question, because we have been focusing on Botswana, but, but if we zoom out across the continent, elephants remain under threat. I what does the future for this magnificant magnificent species? Continent wide had you asked me this question, a couple of years ago, I would have been much more pessimistic, due to the will certainly competition for common resources land water forage at cetera is always the case in human populations are growing. So that's still a problem. But the unfettered demand for ivory, particularly in Asia has been the primary cause of the decline of elephants, and because. China is making steps. They've banned commercial ivory sale in the country. And because the government has expressed their desire to limit this practice. I think people may be starting to catch on a bit. And there's optimism in that well, Richard Jero wildlife, conservationists and consultant recently retired from the US fish and Wildlife Service after twenty year career as chief of the division of international conservation. Seventeen of those years on the ground studying African elephants. Thank you so much for joining us today. Thanks for having me. We'll be right back. This is on point. Hey, it's been an Ameri, and we're the hosts of endless thread, the show, featuring stories found on the website, read it but you don't have to be a Reddit or to enjoy the kinds of stories. We tell like a couple experimenting with non monogamy or boredom that may have predicted the attacks on Pearl Harbor. Subscribe to endless threat on apple podcasts or wherever you listen. I'm Gregory Warner and this week on rough translation. We follow a rescue mission in real time after an Iraqi photojournalist goes missing on the front lines. We don't believe I don't believe it leaves his family and his friends to try to save him. When he said, who is this? Who are you? They respond. We are the Slavic state this week on rough translation. This is on point. I'm magnetized CRA bardy last year. Federal authorities arrested Scott Warren for allegedly providing food water and shelter to undocumented migrants near Arizona's Sonoran desert. Then they charged him with harboring and conspiring to transport the immigrants charges. They could have led up to twenty years in prison, Morin, however asserted, that he did not break the law that he was upholding religious and international compacts to aid persecuted people. He was put on trial in Tucson, federal court and yesterday that trial ended with a deadlocked jury. So what impact could this case have along the southern border? And we want to hear from you. What do you think about a trial against a person providing aid to immigrants in along the southern border? Joining us now from Tucson, Arizona, as Raphael Carranza. He covers the US Mexican border for the. Zona Republic and was at Scott, Warren's trial, Rafael, welcome to one point. Thank you so much for having been begged. So first of all, tell us deadlocked jewelry. I'm not sure a lot of people expected, that out of this trial, how much of a surprise was that it was as much of a surprise. I didn't you know, these were issues that came before a jury. But the evidence that was presented during the trial from the government was not very far there wasn't a lot of direct or indirect evidence that, that showed a Scott war in had committed a conspiracy, or had made any sort of green or plans to help lease to migrants. However, you know, the deliberation took about three days and on the second day at the very end. The jury sent a message to the judge that they were deadlocked in that they can come up with the verdict and at that point, the judge brought them back into the courthouse and ask them to try one more time. So they did that on the third day and then after about half a day of deliberation. There about four hours. They sent the same note again. To the to the judge who brought them into the courthouse once again. And at that point after asking them individually if they've felt that giving them additional time would help them reach a verdict all of them said. No. So he ended up dismissing them declared his trial. I see. So Warren belongs to a group called no more deaths, right? At what is it that this, this group does, and what was the basis for Warren's arrest last year? So this group has been around in southeastern Arizona for about fifteen years. And their main work is dropping off a water gallons and food as well in some of the most transited areas that migrants have used and in particular, they're, they're they've been targeting the an area. Call the APO corridor, which is, you know, a stretch of very remote and rugged desert, where there's very, little very little civilization there, you have a highway, basically that leads from the Mexican border to a whole, which is a town about forty miles north of the border. But in between it's protected wilderness. So there really isn't any way for migrants were crossing to these remote areas to find water unless they come across one of these water drops. And then also, you know, upset of other humanitarian aid groups also do, but that's, that's their main tasked with providing water for stranded migrant special. Rafael as you just said, this group has been doing this for fifteen years, and yet, what was the argument that the government was making that Warren had committed a felony last year. What was the argument they made in court? So they the, the arrest happened on January twenty eighteen and it was a result of a surveillance operation that border patrol had fed up on this. There's building call the barn. They, they were looking for to undocumented immigrants that in tracking them they have them to this location. I'm they had arrived approximately four days, prior, and Scott Warren was the person who had received them and he's in court. He's, he said that he had followed a no more deaths protocols, and you're doing a medical assessment and calling a doctor who recommended they say off their feet because they had a blisters on on on them. So he says, he's just he had followed that protocol, but the, of the argument from the government is that war and had conspired with a director of a shelter in. In the nearby border city of Asia, and that they had to work together or come to an agreement to help these two migrants. Kind of further themselves into the United States by just, you know, concilium from border patrol for few days. Okay. Well, let's listen for a moment to what Scott Warren himself said a little earlier this week when when the jury came back as a hung jury, he stood outside the courthouse in Tucson and read a statement defending his actions today remains as necessary as ever for local residents and humanitarian aid volunteers stand in solidarity with migrants and refugees. And we must also stand for families friends and neighbors in the very landed self most threatened by the militarization of our borderland communities. I received enormous support from family, friends lawyers, and my community that Scott, Warren, speaking in front of a Tucson federal court Rafael Karonga, hold on, for just a moment here because I want to now bring into the conversation. Mark cocaine of it. She's joining us from Phoenix Arizona. He's a former assistant US attorney in Arizona. He served under the Obama administration and for one year in the Trump administration, we should also note that Marco Kanna vich was one of more than one thousand former federal prosecutors who did sign a letter saying, they would have charged President Trump with obstruction were he regular citizen so more who can of welcome to on point. Thank you. Good to be with you. So I wanna lean on your experience here. A former federal prosecutor in the US attorney's office in Arizona. What was the basis for the government to want to charge Scott Warren? In with aiding migrants in the desert and were, they right to do it. Well, that those are complicated questions. This case from a broad perspective really highlights how desperately needed comprehensive immigration reform is because we have this humanitarian crisis at the border and our laws, don't match up well with the situation on the ground, the case that the government was trying to make also highlights problems with the immigration law, because harboring he was charged with conspiracy as we've heard in conspiracy to transport into quote unquote harbor aliens in harboring is defined in the statutes, or it's, it's included along with other things, and like concealing harboring or shielding from detection. Or any attempts to conceal harbor or shield from detection, a the, the term in statutes is alien, which is an interesting distinction. But it that can include, you can harbor or conceal in any building or a means of transportation. So if you look at that statute in a very broad light, it can include giving an undocumented migrant a ride in your car, or as in this case, providing food while they're in a building, because it's making it more difficult for the agents to detect them. Now every prosecution like your second question is was it right to do this? When you have a hung jury like this. It usually is a good sign that it's a tough case to prove four people thought that it was that he had committed a crime in the government had provided evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. But eight people didn't and reasonable minds can differ about whether or not a crime was actually committed. But when you have the number of people crossing the border that we do, and the number of people in the country that we do the choice about where to spend our limited resources in border enforcement. And how best to spend those is really being lost. I think win what we're choosing to do is prosecute people who are trying to prevent people from. From dying as they cross cross the border. So we'll just jump back you to referee Carranza for just a moment here because Rafael. Correct me on this if I'm wrong, one of the basis of for Warren's defense that his legal team presented in court. Was it a freedom of religion defense that he felt religiously compelled to aid the migrant across the desert that was initially part of, you know, the defense emotion that the defense, had argued along with, you know, a motion saying that this particular group that no more deaths have been targeted specifically? So they're gonna just selective enforcement this was argued in court. Ultimately the judge not allow that. So while it was initially part of the strategy in the end, it came very it came up, very, very few times. Call. Okay. All right. Well, I want to actually also just talk a little bit about how it, it seems as if this case is yet another highlight of change in approach that the Trump administration is taking for border enforcement here because just hours before Scott Warren was arrested in two thousand eighteen the. Group that he volunteers with no more deaths as we discussed. They actually distributed video footage of border patrol agents. This is footage. They did. They had obtained these agents destroying water bottles left in the desert by the group's volunteers. And so we have a moment from this video it's taken by border patrol agents themselves, and you'll hear the voice of one of the agents as he empties water onto the ground. Good shot, somebody left from fail. Not yours is yours. I can tell me. So that's the border patrol agent. Speaking as the embassy's emptied emptying water onto the ground. And a spokesperson for a border protection said at the time that the agency does not condone tampering with water or food sources left by humanitarian groups and that they seek to do their enforcement work as humanely as possible. But Mark, cocaine vich. Let me turn back to you here. Again. Are we seeing is this is this another outgrowth of, of a change in posture of in the Trump administration on, on how to best manage issues of migration across the border? I think there was a clear change in posture with Jefferson Beauregard, sessions, the third in his speech on, you know, zero tolerance and targeting humanitarian agencies and, and people who are providing water is a new tactic in his speech. He talked about how people are profiting from the harboring and transportation of, of immigrants and used the death of, you know, people in, in this country and citizens who have been victims of crimes for at the hands of undocumented immigrants. But of course, those are highly politically charged. But the, the number of, of crimes committed by undocumented immigrants is actually lower than as a percentage than people who are here illegally. And there are people dying at the border and dying in custody, now, too, which is really troubling that we have children who are separated from their families dying in custody. And that's something that I think all people of goodwill are concerned about, and frankly, both parties need to do far better at coming up with solutions to this problem because both parties have had the opportunity when they controlled the executive and legislative branches. Neither party did. If I could. I'm so sorry to interrupt there, but I do want to at least give one listener a chance to have her say. So let's go to Linda, who's calling from Silver Creek, silver cliff, Wisconsin. Linda, you're on the air. All right. My husband and I spend the winter down in RV park near ho, and we've got a fence. We boarder one hundred miles of desert, and what if you see how hot it is during the day, and how cold it is a night? It's just heart wrenching when somebody comes up to that fence, and, you know, asked you for drink a lot, or, or some food. And so I you know, no matter how you feel about immigration. You surely have to understand the desperation that these people go through to, to make that journey across the I mean, the desert is very unforgiving will Linda, thank you so much. For your call Rafael Carranza. Let me turn back to you hear what do you think the effect of the fact of this case that Scott Warren was arrested? Yes. There's a. Hung jury here, but the government certainly sent a message with this has changed the, the actions and activities of groups like no more deaths, or they continuing to try to provide water food and shelter for migrants trying to cross the border. They're very adamant in saying that their work will continue matter of fact, the same day that there was that the, the, the judge declared a mistrial because of the hung, Jerry. There was a group of volunteers with no more dad suicide driving out to a whole to do another water drop off. So this is something that has been ongoing, despite the arrest, and I also want to make a quick note that it's not just the jury she or the government has had some success in prosecuting humanitarian aid one and tears. This year is starting in January in additional eight volunteers were prosecuted for less crimes misdemeanors for entering a protected wildlife per while life without a permit sometimes for littering when they drop. Off. You know, some of the water gallons and the food and in four of those while in tears were convicted. So you know they were sentenced, you know to, to few months probation and they had to pay a fine. And then the other four volunteers of plant guilty to a civil infractions misdemeanor instead of a plea a plea deal there. So, you know, when we're talking about a government message. They're definitely they've had some success so far. And I think that's something that, that humanitarian aid organizations are going to keep in mind going forward on, we know now for fact that they have been using this building called the barn as prominently as they have before. And so they're also taking notice some of some of the issues that were brought up during the trial. And, and, you know, trying to analyze how move forward to address some of those issues so that way they don't they don't become more trouble on the. Speaking to us from Tucson, Arizona reporter for the Zona Republic covering the US Mexico border, Rafael, thank you so much for being with us. Thank you for having me, and Marcus cannon vigil, former US attorney in Arizona, sir, or assistant, US attorney, I should say serving under the Obama administration and one year into the Trump administration with us today from Phoenix. Mark, thank you so much for joining us. My pleasure. Bharti. This is on point.

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There Is A Crisis Along The Southern U.S. Border. It's Not The One The President Describes

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There Is A Crisis Along The Southern U.S. Border. It's Not The One The President Describes

"This message comes from on point sponsor, indeed if you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast. From WB. You are Boston and NPR. I'm Meghna truck Ricciardi. And this is on point. This is a humanitarian crisis a crisis of the heart and a crisis of the soul. President Trump in his address from the Oval Office there on Tuesday. And in fact, there is a humanitarian crisis growing on the southern border, for example, tens of thousands of migrant families crowded into bear detention facilities that weren't designed to hold women and children, but a department of homeland security official recently told the New York Times that the crisis is being caused by the Trump administration's own policy, quote, it's the complete one hundred percent focus on harsher options with disregard for managing. What's happening? The official said today, the president visits the border. So we wanted to get a detailed look at what's actually happening on the ground. There this hour on point the reality of the crisis at the border and its causes. And you can join us. Do you think the Trump administration is taking the right approach at? At the border. Who do you think? Or what do you think is causing the crisis? There. Do you? Do you even see one is it a crisis of immigration crisis of the heart? As the president said, how do we fix it? Join us anytime in on point radio dot org, or Twitter and Facebook and on point radio joining us. I today from San Diego, California is John Burnett. He's NPR's southwest correspondent he was embedded with border patrol yesterday. And recently also reported from Tijuana where he spoke with migrants waiting for who are seeking asylum. We've got links to John's reporting at on point radio dot org. John welcome back to the show. It's great to have you. Thank you. So first of all let me ask you you just yesterday were embedded with border patrol agents. Tell us a little bit about what you saw. And what they were telling you about how they see this crisis. If if they even do see a crisis at the border. Yeah. It's every sector of the southwest border is a little bit different magnetic. And so the situation over here is rather different from what we're seeing for instance, in New Mexico where you have these large groups of migrants, lots of children traveling without parents and families crossing and some of them very ill and growing even sicker in in these Spartan border patrol facilities. That's over you know, west of El Paso out here in San Diego. I spent seven hours with a couple of agents yesterday, and we drove literally from one end of the sector to the other. It's about sixty miles long. And it's so interesting because really I I kind of felt like the ride along that I had was playing off of the president's emphasis in his national address from the Oval Office on the need for a border wall. What you have out here is. A sort of a show Intel of what a wall accomplishes. We we can remember those iconic image is back in the eighties of mainly Mexican immigrants who were all sort of trotting across the hills. You know, just off imperial beach headed toward San Diego and ages could do very little to stop on. We'll since then they have these really formidable walls that they are you see them under construction. He's eighteen foot tall a steel bollards filled with concrete and rebar with these anti climb sheets at the top and varied six feet in the ground. And so they wanted to show that here these walls work, and they really do divert illegal Crushers into other areas, but in terms of humanitarian crisis, which is what you asked me right across the border in Tijuana, which is Mexico's sixth largest city, you have still around two thousand migrants from the Central American caravan who've now been there a going on two months and. Conditions are not good there rather squalid in some of the ref refugees some of the shelters that I visited and so they continue to wait their turn in line trickle into the United States and to cross illegally. Okay. So I definitely want to hear more from what you saw in Tijuana. But but let's play a little bit of tape from from chief patrol agent. Rodney Scott who you spoke with when you were embedded with border patrol. And he told you I he thinks the agency needs more fencing when it's expensive and that agents already have operational control. He said to you if I understand this correctly between Tijuana and San Diego. So here's chief patrol agent. Rodney Scott customs, and bore protection has had this systematic plan that we've been acting on for years building out infrastructure where we believe we need it. And all of a sudden, it got unbelievably political overnight as opposed to what we're saying that we need so John tell us more about what Rodney Scott was telling you about that. He feels. It's got an unbelievable political. Right. Well, it's it's interesting because the context of that, quote is we were on in eastern San Diego County in an area. That's very remote that does not have fencing. And I was asking him. Why do you need this incredibly expensive fencing that? If you work out, the arithmetic and the president's numbers, it's twenty four million dollars at averages a mile, even the fence, the the this formidable fencing, they're building south of San Diego is ten and a half million dollars. So, you know, why isn't more than twice as much and he was saying that under the Obama administration the chiefs all along the border just never asked for border barrier because they knew they were not going to get it. Because the the administration was was not open to that kind of request. And that now Trump is friendly to a wall, and he was saying that the chiefs no walls work that they. They want barriers and the reason they want them is. Because if you if you put them up in an area. People can't get over them. And so you're able to move some of the border patrol agents who in his case regarding this remote ravine where we were you can move them into San Diego. You can move into other areas and let the fence do the deterrence. So he was kind of doing a sales job on why more fences good. Okay. So then you also just recently were in Tijuana as you said, and you know, what was it back in? I'm remembering late last year in November at one point in time on the the influx of migrants were so great there that they that Tijuana officials we're trying to we're trying to house people in a sports complex stadium, essentially that they put six thousand people in a stadium that was only designed for two thousand they they move folks out of there. So what's the what's the situation on the ground there? Now, what did you see? Yeah. Great question. A Magna the situation is really fluid and so the numbers are down sharply. Most people in town told us there fewer than two thousand of those original. Central American migrants left some have gone back voluntarily to juris some have been deported. Chief Scott told us that they have arrested more than twenty five hundred of the Central American migrants for crossing illegally and in about probably upward to sixteen seventeen hundred families have passed through the port of entry and are asking for asylum. But as I said, you still see them kind of milling around town. To wanna plans on closing its its main shelter. Now, it's called L badeah tau, and it's a few miles in the city from the border, and they're really encouraging migrants to either go back home or take work into one. And this is what's interesting is that there's lots of work there, and some of these foreign assembly plants, the Mckee Dora's are looking for workers. There's there's work as as Masons and construction a selling things in the market. And you know, quite a few of these Hondurans have said, it's just so hard to get into the US. And it's so dangerous and were afraid that, you know, the president is going to detain us. We're just gonna stay here in northern Mexico and work and try to save money and send some back, so they're sort of changing their plans. So it's you know, it's kind of all over the map. Okay. So in that case, I mean is that sort of the confluence of what's happening in t one of the confidence of a surge in the number. Of of migrants. And then also, you know, as we know the Trump administration's policy of of of changing the the asylum application process making it harder to get in. Is it sort of the confluence of those two things happening there at the same time? We'll it they they are very frustrated because they're only about forty to sixty individuals that are able to get into the US and ask for asylum every day there are there still a couple of thousand that are waiting and they've been there for two months now, and we went to one shelter that was opened by evangelical church on the edge of town. And it's just a really squalid. There is an open drainage sewage creek with these big hogs all rooting around. And you know, kids are playing in the area. You know, there's a trash fire going, and these people have been living in the sanctuary intense for weeks and weeks now and really. Getting frustrated. One grandmother told us, we just we don't, you know, are we going to go, and we're going to try to climb the wall, and and sort of surrender and get arrested. Do we wait our place in line? Do we go back to endure ISSA really at wit's end about what to do a largely because of the slow trickle that immigration. Authorities are allowing in and I should add I was in quotas across from El Paso, Texas, right before Christmas and the line there. The wait is five days. So this is so poorly thought out that everyone is masked in Tijuana waiting weeks and weeks to get in when they actually could go to other border cities where the weight is is less than a week. So John you've been reporting extensively from the entire border region are NPR southwest correspondent. So I was wondering if I could just get your thoughts were to this very bracing quote appeared in a New York Times piece from an unnamed department of homeland secure. The official. He had to speak on the condition of anonymity. Who said, quote, it's the complete one hundred percent focus on harsher options that will deter the influx with disregard for managing. What's happening? We have a lot more families a lot more unaccompanied children, and the focus has just been on how we can deter rather than how we can handle the implication from this unnamed official being that the crisis is either being generated or exacerbated by the administration's own policy. Yeah. That's a really complicated question. I mean, I think there's some truth to that. And there parts of that that I I don't know that I agree with. Customs and border protection, you know, which is the over agency over the border patrol says that fifty migrants today are being sent in for medical care two thousand migrants day are being apprehended the number of family units. Excuse me, the number of family units. That are crossing now is at an all time high the trip up from Central America is incredibly rigorous and some of these children are very small probably were not well to begin with. And so they are arriving ill. And they're getting worse once they get in these these border patrol facilities. And so, you know, they're choosing to ask for asylum in these ports of entry or to cross illegally. John give me for interrupting there. We gotta take a quick break. And I know you've been working nonstop for a while. So I'm gonna give you voice arrest for at least a minute here. John. Ed is NPR southwest correspondent covering immigration, port affairs and Texas news, and we're talking about the humanitarian crisis at the US border. 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We're talking about the situation at the border the humanitarian crisis at the border regarding the large influx of of migrants that have come to the border, and whether or not or what role the Trump administration's own policies have played in exacerbating this crisis. We're joined today by John Burnett. He's with us from San Diego, California. He's NPR's southwest correspondent covering immigration border fares and Texas news he was embedded with border patrol agents yesterday and recently also reported from the other side of the us Mexico border in Tijuana, and John I just want to play a little bit more of your your reporting for listeners. It's just terrific reporting. This is from a piece that you gathered back in December. When you spoke over the phone to father, Jose, Guadalupe Valdez, a priest who runs a migrant shelter in p P address Negras a Mexican city along the northeast edge of the border, and in this cut, you're going to hear John translating four father Guadeloupe. As he explains. The shelter's capacity is nearing critical. Van if this comes to pass, we will not be able to support all the migrants who will be waiting here. He said actress Negra says small they'll need to get jobs. That's from a reporting that John Burnett. Brought to us in December. Now, John before the break. I'm sorry. I had to interrupt you there for take a break. But but you were talking about how the how complicated the situation at the border is and whether or not or how much of a role Trump administration deterrence Ulysses are playing there if I could just finish the thought Magna the criticism is that customs border protection should have anticipated that larger numbers of really vulnerable immigrants of families and small children unaccompanied kids were coming up increasingly in these remote areas where the border patrol facilities. All you know, sometimes all they have our forward operating bases with, you know, no medical facilities. No way to accommodate children and mothers. And that this has exacerbated the problem. You know, we know that a to Guatemala and children have died while in US custody and those are under investigation. It's been a lot of criticism of that. So that's you know, that stands out there also. And then when I talked to Padre Pepe in NPR, nNcholas, you know, he was very concerned that if the if migrants continue to back up in these Mexican border cities, there's just no way that Mexico can accommodate them. They're not set up for that. I mean, these are all migrants cities to transit cities. But they're not, you know, they can handle dozens, you know, maybe a few hundred they can't handle any more than that. And then the Trump policies what they wanna do they they want all of the migrants to to wait in Mexico, while their cases are being heard in immigration court and Mexico has balked at that. I see. Okay. So so John. Tell me more. I mean, I think what I'd really love to hear as much as possible from you are is, you know, we we we can talk about the policies, and we will absolutely more throughout this hour. But but you're you're there you've been reporting from there. What are other things you've seen other places? You've been shelters you visited when when is it is it fair for us to use this big term crisis? Well, some some shelters are more in crisis than the others. I mean, the one that I I visited in what is across the mill Paso was rather orderly again into the weight was about five days. It was quite remarkable the Mexican immigration. Authorities had a sort of system to shuttle the migrants to the bridge each day to those whose number would up so they could cross and they could ask for asylum. And then if you go across an El Paso, there's it's called essence a an NCAA shin house, and we're hearing from there that immigration. Authorities have been had been releasing literally fat sins of of immigrants onto the streets of I'll pass Paso without any notice and without any place to go and this shelter has been scrambling to rent hotel rooms for them. And to try to, you know, get food. Food and clothing and help them on their journey farther into the US with await their their asylum cases. I actually I read a piece last night that the numbers have fallen off sharply. And now they're down to a couple of hundred. So it's so fluid. It just changes all the time. But you know, these these humanitarian crises there on both sides of the border, and they're sort of episodic, and they're here, and they're there, and you know, the policies keep changing with the Trump administration. And so you have to you know, you continually chasing the story. Right. Well, you're listening to John Burnett. He's NPR southwest. Correspondent just yesterday. He was embedded with custom with patrol agents and on earlier in the week. He was in Tijuana Mexico reporting on the situation with migrants seeking to enter the United States from there. John standby here for Justice second because I want to I want to bring in a another person into this conversation. If I may joining us now from Washington is congressman Henry. Require. He's a democrat from Texas. He represents Texas as twenty eighth congressional district. It's an area south of San Antonio. That also covers a good deal of the US Mexico border. He's a member of the house appropriations committee and his district is in the area where the president is visiting congressman quasar are welcome to on point. Thank you so much pleasure being with you. So let me first ask you. I mean, I'm seeing numbers here that the number of detainees that immigration and customs enforcement facilities are housing right now has reached the highest point ever some forty five thousand single adults and family units. And in fact, it's so overcrowded that ISIS having in is now sometimes dropping off people just at bus stations some six hundred migrants dropped off with no advance planning in El Paso in the last full week of December. I mean, wh what's your sense? Like, what are you seeing? Or hearing about what's going on in your district. First of all, generally, you know, you have the same thing. This is what's happened ice. Or if it's the nonprofits of that whole the kids, the Ana company kids, just do not have sufficient detention bed. So therefore, if there's not enough sufficient bids what they do is they generally drop them off at bus stations and then at the bus stations. They will call family members or friends or wherever they might have and other parts of the United States. They'll send them the money by the ticket. And then from there, they take off and wait for the court hearing at a later time, as you know, most most of the time in might take three to four years before they have accordion that generally is what's happened under many, administrations Obama Bush, and of course, now under Trump the only difference is, you know, Trump is trying to hold as many people to quote, get rid of the catch and release. So he's holding a lot more people therefore the detention beds or the nonprofits facilities are just really. You know, you know, completely full, and that's why they're still allowing people where they take him out and and drop them off at bus stations. So they can find family members and other parts of the of the country. Now, I wanna play piece of tape for you congressman queer this is from Tuesday night when the president addressed the nation from the Oval Office. And here's what he said about the growing number of migrants at the border every day customs and border patrol agents encounter thousands of illegal immigrants trying to enter our country. We are out of space to hold them. And we have no way to promptly return them back home to their country. That's the president on Tuesday Representative queer, I mean, the the the administration has asked. Yes, of course, for five billion dollars for a border wall or fence, but in their appropriations requests, they've also said, look, we would like to have eight hundred million dollars to respond to these urgent humanitarian needs of of that they're coming with taking all these migrants. Into into custody. Is there a way I know Democrats are adamantly opposed to any funding for a border wall. But is there a way to appropriate that at least eight hundred million the deejay says it needs to to cope with the situation at the border. Absolutely. And we, you know, we we done bad where we provided money for for space and for medical officers. We've done a lot of that in the past. But the problem is is that the president doesn't really want to hear any of that he just wants to focus on the border wall. Because he his campaign promise is it was to build a wall and the other part of campaign promise was to let Mexico pay for it. So that's what he's obsessed with. That's what he's focusing in. He he thinks that the only border security is is by having a wom, and he's he's just wrong. And what we need to do is look at personnel technology. Make sure we have the right practices because you know, a lot of times. The the drug organizations and the smuggling organizations for change tactics that we need to change tactics there, and and that's what we need to focus on. But let me give you an example. What's happening right now border patrol under the Obama administration. We were at high at twenty one thousand four hundred and something almost twenty one thousand five hundred right now, we're short about two thousand men and women in border patrol whereabout nineteen thousand four hundred. So what does the administration do? They put out a contract for two hundred ninety seven million dollars to help them hire border patrol where they just awarded out of that contract. They just let go fourteen point eight million dollars. You don't have any border patrol. They hire with that. With a fourteen point eight two of them. Now, I don't know if one of them has captain America, or what's so special. But if you're going to spend fourteen point eight million dollars. I'd rather spend that money on retention bonuses. So we can hire and retain those border patrol. And that's what we need to focus on technology. A lot of that technology the arrows nets drones the cameras that the military us if it works for the military, it should work for us. So again, we gotta be smart on how we do this. Finally, I can ask sure just say this. I stop drugs. He talked about stopping drugs. Most drugs will come through ports of entry not in between ports. So if you wanna stop drugs modernize those ports of entry put the personnel put the Ray machines. And that's how you're going to stop drugs. So let's focus for a second more on on the influx of migrant families right in in November. There was the highest number ever more than twenty thousand or my family units. I should say I mean, what I understand the Democrats including you are very critical of the administration's treatment of these families. But what is the democratic plan or solution to stem the influx of parents with with children or to to help to deal with these migrant families. I live on the border. And I've see I've seen how the typical profile of somebody coming across as change in twenty thirty years ago. It was a young man that was coming over to come work. Get money send the money back to the family go back and then come back again. I was like a temporary guest worker back and say that now we are now seeing family units sometimes company kids are coming over here. So the profile is change. So we gotta ask ourselves what's happening in those countries. So back in two thousand fourteen thousand fifteen we added I sit on the appropriations we added, and I pushed very hard for this to put seven hundred and fifty million dollars a year to help the Central American country. So we can go ahead and provide security create more jobs over there, so less people will come over here. What's happening right now out of that money. That's been appropriated. There's about eight hundred million dollars. So are still in the pipeline that the administer. Hasn't let go they cut down the funding for those countries. If there's a problem with those three countries reprimanded salvo on du-ri's, they we need to keep working with those countries. So less people come over here. Finally, the last thing we did back in twenty fifteen. We added eighty million dollars to help Mexico secure the southern border. There were stopping at that time two hundred twenty thousand people a year that were coming over to the US that border patrol would've never seen because there were stopped over there. So again, my my point is says either you play defense on the one yard line called the US Mexico border where we spent eighteen billion dollars a year. Oh, we play defense on their twenty yard line and put a little bit of money in Central America. Mexico to address some of those core issues. And the dates are giving me if I heard you correctly or appropriations that were made her the during the Obama administration. Are you saying that the the money wasn't adequately or appropriate -ly used even under the Obama administration? What I'm saying well part of. Yeah, they took a long time to get that. But every year we started off at seven hundred fifty million dollars for Central America under the Obama administration. And we have a lot of meetings with those countries with the president's where the ambassadors we finally agreed to where the money was going to be spent where those three countries then when the Trump administration came in. They lowered that down from seven hundred fifty dollars seven hundred fifty million dollars a year. They lowered it down to five hundred ninety five million dollars. Even though we wanted more, but the Republicans control everything now, we're going to change that now we're in but under the under the Trump administration. There is money. That's been obligated for the last couple of years. That's already obligated. I mean, it has already been appropriated. And there's. About eight hundred million dollars in the pipeline that we can get over to them. And I've talked to the president on doers. I've talked to other embassador from those three countries. And they're saying when are we going to get the resources we're trying to address the situation here, but there's eight hundred million dollars is still stuck. So what I did is I put a spending plan, so they can appropriate. Oh, so they can release that money all those resources down to those areas and address the economy and the security issues in those three a Central American countries. And last question congressman. And last question congressman again about so so that's the big picture about dealing as you said with the issues in in the Central American countries themselves, but once again with regarding the families that are already in the family units that are already here at the border. Do Democrats have a plan to to assist or or to alleviate this problem? Yes. And in fact, in appropriations, you know, I've added language there to an and resources to make sure that if anybody's detained that we take care of those people that families are not separated and to get immigration judges. So they can get the hearings soon as possible. So people will know if they're gonna stay or go back, depending on their asylum or credible. Fear of they've done that. I mean, so we've done that. And we intend to do more. And so we have a plan. The only thing our plan for border security doesn't include a wall funny. Let me say the last thing the president keeps talking about a crisis over there. And and and I have to say this the latest FBI. Statistics. And I do this every year the national murder rate in the United States is five point three murders per one hundred thousand the the border crime rate for murders is lower than the national crime rate. So when the president visits mcallen the murder rate. There macallan is about four point eight murder rates, which is lower than the national crime rate. Washington DC where the president said is the murder rate is sixteen point seven murder. So it's a lot more dangerous here in Washington DC. And I'm not talking about politics. I'm talking about the murder rate. Then we're he's going to be in mcallen, Texas. It's safer there. And that's the safest place. He's going to be at when he visits the border. Well, congressman Henry, he's a democrat representing Texas's. Twentieth. Congressional district congressman thank you very much for joining us today. Thank you so much John Burnett NPR southwest. Correspondent you've been patiently listening to the congressman there got a. Minutes to go here before we have to take a quick break. But as wondering if you just want you had a quick response to what you heard him say. Yeah. I was actually in Guatemala in Wilmington Ango province, which is the contributes more illegal migrants to the US in indentity other province, Guatemala that was last fall. And we saw firsthand why people leaving and how they're coming up and the desperation they have, you know, earning five dollars a day is the max some of these compassi knows can earn. And so yes, job creation, more security and a focus on corruption. So that they can improve these small villages, and you know, the mayors and the governors don't put it all in their pockets. Well, that's Burnett. NPR southwest correspondent covering immigration and border of border affairs. John stand by with us for just a second. We're going to get to a bunch of calls when we come back. We're talking about the reality on the ground on the border about the crisis situation there, and if it is a crisis, and what its dimensions are. We'll be right back. This is on point. 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He was embedded with border patrol agents yesterday and previously was in Tijuana a little earlier this week seen what the situation is like on the ground there earlier in this hour, we mentioned a little bit about how there have been so many parents with children amongst the approximately two thousand migrants who were taken into federal custody each day that authorities in some places, including Il Passo are resorting to mass releases of families right onto the streets of the city. This has been going on for a couple of weeks and in late December, El Paso, mayor of Republican mayor de Margaux spoke. Fox News about it. They're holding areas are filled so they're releasing them. Their understanding they're being processed ankle bracelets are being put on the the parents and they're releasing them as well. But I paid the bottom line. Rick is our immigration policy stinks. No one in Washington on either side of the aisles had the fortitude to deal with it, historically. And it's about time somebody steps up and develops a little manhood on the way and determines what they need to do our respective the political fallout El paso's, mayor de Margaux back in December on Fox News. Let's go to the callers here quickly Robert is calling from riverside, California. Robert, you're on the air. Oh, hi, thanks for taking my call. What's your thought today? Robert. Yes. You know, you're asking for. Opinions on the ground. I spent sixteen years in Mexico. I married adapt. Tek woman. It was extremely difficult on all sides. And I would just like to say that my perspective is that would be played with like pawns like people like Trump who've never touched the ground. Can the? It's a horrific thing that's going on. Reporter families are being destroyed there and execute word for called Jess monitoring. That means unnerving. And it's like the worst thing that can happen when you you really really destroy the natural orders of things, and that's exactly what we're doing. I'm sorry. I can't talk too much. I'm having a very difficult time talking to you streaming call for become make an literally on floor. Hangup. Robert. Thank you. Thank you for your call. Let's go to Evan who's calling from Warwick Rhode Island. Evan you're on the air. I Magna thanks for taking my call. I just wanted to say the the first of all I do not support this wall. I think Trump holding the country hostage to build this wall is ridiculous. But I really wanted to encourage listeners to look at this situation with just some empathy and just try to imagine what it would be like to be one of these people who you're risking your life. If you stay at home, and so you go to a place that is objectively safer, and then the people in that place are treating you like this. And I would encourage people to just do some research like look look into journalism from NPR or the New York Times or vox on just what what it's like to be an immigrant the positive impacts of immigration and the dangers that these people face where they come from. Because like we we shouldn't be punishing these. People. It's heartbreaking. Well, evan. Thank you so much for your call. Let's get one more Peter is calling from Boston Massachusetts, Peter. You're on the air. Great great show at great reporting for the even more conservative listeners. And listen, I think objectively did a great job, you know. And I think it boils down to this. Either country has borders. Enforceable? Borders, illegal migration, doesn't and with all due respect to the New Yorker and other articles that that write stories about I get with people want to come to this country because they come from poverty, and they want free stuff. They they're not allowed to get that. 'cause that's an economic everybody claims amnesty amnesty for the sanctuary and just to come in. I totally get it. But no historical country, Rome. Look at Hadrian's wall at wall. She had a combination. Trump exa- exacerbates things. Absolutely. However, you need borders. You need to be able to legally allow people to come into my gracious in also think of the the people come to the burdens they come in sick. Illiterate. They can't they wanna get jobs. I totally understand it. But we can't pay for everything if everybody from South America and Asia could come to America on a bridge. They would. I have a question isn't Peter. Appreciate your call a lot. But but what you just said about migrants seeking entry into the United States now about being ill, and perhaps not being literate. I mean, isn't that exactly the same thing that was said of Irish in Italian immigrants in the nineteenth century the difference back then in the eighteen forties and fifties when people came over from from the I from they we needed a lie bodies to come into the country to stay you needed people to in served in the army, the military you need people. Now, we do not need. There's not there is not a lack of this. French people we need highly educated. We need people to contribute. You don't need people to come in. And unfortunately sick when the Oakland we're gonna take welfare benefits who are going to be people. They come in with one family works in the taking thousands of dollars of more benefits. It's tax payers pay for it. And again, I just say from history, no countries existed. Since time immemorial if you just take people in comes in the field, again, it's it's simple economics. I think it has to tempted to take care of your own people. Well, Peter, thank you. So very much for your call. Peter from Boston, Massachusetts Joan Vernet, you know, a strong degree or a variety of opinions there from. But I'm sure I mean, you've been since you've been reporting from the border for so long. I mean is it reflective of the variety of opinions of people living on the border themselves. If I could just respond to Peter, you know, I had this incredible opportunity last month to go actually to central Europe. I was in Germany. We looked at borders and refugees and immigration, and you know, Angela Merkel allowed more than a million migrants to cross border from Austria, and it caused a huge upset in her country. And there's an enormous debate going on there that parallels are debate about how many immigrants do you? Let in how many benefits do you give them? Do. We let them a stay in Germany and work. Do we if they don't have legitimate claims for protection from fleeing persecution? Do we throw them out again? It's the exact same debate that we're having Germany has borders to people are allowed to come to a nation's borders in much of the world and ask for protection, this international law. And so the people that are coming. To the United States. Many of them are are doing this and asking for asylum. They're not just, you know, running willy nilly into the country, and you know, trying to avoid the border patrol, and the other thing that I wanted to mention is actually this country does need migrant labor. I do the reporting. I mean, I've been to the trailer factories in Paris, Texas in northeast, Texas, where they just is had a big labor raid a couple of months ago, and they arrested a whole lot of undocumented immigrants who were welding together, these big industrial steel trailers that you pull behind pickups, and nobody else will do that work up there. And you could say the same thing about people who pick crops or who process chickens just goes across the country like this. We absolutely need skilled labor as Peter said. But there's a whole lot of work that you would assistance are not doing and just ask the employers. Well, John hang on here for Justice. Because in the last couple of minutes of the show. I wanted to just move over to Arizona here for a moment and get a view as to what's happening there. And joining us now is Mary Jo Pitt souls. She's with us from Phoenix. He state government and child welfare reporter for the Zona Republic. She reported on a video that the Republic obtained that showed migrant children being dragged pushed and slapped in a migrant children's shelter in young town Arezzo Anna, Mary Jo pixel welcome to on point. Hello. How are you? I'm doing. Well. So first of all tell us very briefly about this video that the Zona Republic obtained what did it show where did this happen? This happened in a shelter operated by south west key in a suburb, just northwest of Phoenix and in mid-september recording the video their security cameras captured a couple of staffers sort of pushing and dragging and shoving some very recalcitrant kids through a conference room from one room into another. Well, we don't have a lot of context for it. Because south west cay won't talk about it. But we are aware of it because the video is released to the state health authorities which licensed the facility, and we went to them and did a records a question in got the video to get to give us a look at what's going on inside the shelters. Forgive me for interrupting but just for some context here. I'm seeing that southwest key is housing more than fifteen hundred migrant children in Arizona, California and Texas thirteen of their facilities are in Arizona. It's down to eleven harshly because of the events that involve this incident, southwest key agreed close to of its shelter. So they are down to eleven facilities, and they have a four hundred and fifty million dollar contract with the federal government under the unaccompanied alien children program. But but the state of Arizona wrote a very strongly worded letter to southwest key, basically, alleging recusing them of not really caring for the welfare of the children under their purview. What what's that all about? We started to look through a lot of the inspection reports at the state had done. And we we noted and pointed out to the agency that they were getting cited repeatedly for not doing. Fingerprint checks background checks on the employee's in a timely manner. The director of the health department finally cracked down and said, look, I want you to go out southwest key and redefine the clearances all of your employees and get it done by this date. They didn't they didn't meet the deadline, and and she director blew up and said, okay, we're gonna we're gonna suspend operations, unless you, you know, you know, unless you come to the table, and we're going to work out some kind of a settlement agreement, which is what resulted in two of the shelters being closed through your reporting crowded bedrooms of the children lacking privacy in some of these southwest kief acidity. I mean, you know is the oversight appropriate. Now has has the problem been fixed? And by the way, I should also just ask you how long are the children being held in in the facilities there in Arizona. Well, it's really really hard to tell them. It's a very opaque process and at this point because of. Partially because of this incident of the kids being obviously, maltreated. It's under a criminal review by prosecutors. So that has shut everybody up. They will not southwest Keeble, not talk. We're not getting census counts out of out of the shelters right now. And it's hard to tell how long the children stay there. They will cycle through until they can reunite them with a family member or a friend in the US or if necessary send them back to family across the border will Mary Jo pixel state government and child welfare reporter for the Republic. Joining us today from Phoenix he's been reporting extensively on a southwest key and the facilities that it. Runs housing some fifteen hundred migrant children in Arizona, and California, I should say, but she's been spoke as focusing specific Arizona. We have linked by the way, two marriages reporting on point radio dot org. Thank you so much for joining us today. Mary Joe, thank you so much. All right, Jim Burnett. We just got a couple of minutes left here. So I wanna at least get one or two more calls in before we run out of time rolls calling from Joplin Missouri role. You're on the air. Hi, thank you for taking my call. You know, I lived in mcallen for a few years worked down there. And a lot of the influx of customers that we had coming from the border. I mean, it was a large port of our commerce basically in that in the town. And I just wonder how a wall is going to make us look in the context of, you know, global economy. How's that gonna make us look if we have a giant border wall? When it's obviously a source of income that we depend on especially mccowan, Texas. I mean, we look forward to that money coming in. And if we put a giant border there. I mean what's second to make us? Look like, we'll roll. Thank you so much for your call. Let's get one more Scott is calling from pittsfield Massachusetts, Scott, you're on the air. Yeah. This is the Republicans have been just clueless in barking at shadows in the dark for so long. It goes back to our American policy over one hundred years ago Firestone. How we got coffee. It's you know, if we only help them in Central America early on, then we wouldn't be you know, how we got to the rubber how we got our coffee we just exploited these people for we keep the division look at how all the North Korea them, you know, how we just propped up bad guys all over the South America, just really sad. And then, you know, Trump equals hate with this wall. It just it just really does. And like, I say Republicans have been barking at shadows in the dark for so long. Mitch McConnell and company they need to pay a political price and even able this president to do horrible things. He's a racist their biggest they've been gas lightness for so long, but the real distraction since it's the it just a Everyday's a distraction from. Sighted interrupt, but it just got to wrap up the show here. Got a couple of minutes left Scott from pittsfield, Massachusetts. Thank you for your call John Burnett. You're there in San Diego today have been reporting all along the border for many months here. There's one less piece of tape that you have gathered that I wanna play to help us sort of wrap up in how we think about the situation there now, and this is something that you reported on in November. When you spoke to Louise Honduran mother who'd been separated from her fifteen year old son after arriving from the United States, they were reunited in October after being apart for five months and Louise through an interpreter though had this warning this is late last year for other migrant mothers. Late but is done list. It's horrible. I'm advising the mothers. If you don't want to have your children taken from you don't come here. She's said figure something else out and John. That's from a report that you put on NPR in November got about thirty seconds left here to go. What's your final thought for us on how we should be considering what's actually happening on the border there? Now. Will the the family separation policy was suspended by the Trump administration after a huge, national international outcry. So you know, families are largely being kept together while they're crossing. But this movement of immigrants is all around the country. It's a historic move around the globe. Whether it's from west Africa or Syria or Afghantistan or Central America. We are not alone the United States experiencing the same problems with international movement of refugees that a lot of countries are this is our moment in history, and it's chaotic all over John Burnett NPR's southwest. Correspondent speaking to us today from San Diego, it's been a real pleasure to have you on John. Thank you. So very much for your reporting. Thank you. It's really been a pleasure being on the show. This is on point.

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November 1: Back on the rails

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November 1: Back on the rails

"This is a CBC podcast at Franklin Templeton. We help you invest in companies that treat every milestone like a steppingstone reach for better Franklin Templeton investments. Hello. I'm Carol off. Good evening. I'm Jeff Douglas. And this is as it happens. The podcast addition. Tonight that on the rails the first train in a year and a half arrives in Churchill Manitoba. Our guest says there freight's just in time for residents at the end of their tracks committed to memory Odran lawyer says he is not finished trying to memorialize the Jewish victims of an OSCE massacre despite the refusal he got today in small Ukrainian town route. 'cause Donald Trump says he'll send troops to the US Mexico border to stop the threat posed by the migrant caravan, we hear about desperate travelers who are determined to keep coming sometimes less as more dangerous than more. A texas. Doctor warns that well, minimally invasive surgery for early cervical cancer may be more popular. It has also putting patients at more risk quizzical graffiti, a Melbourne Espresso. Shop becomes the victim of savage online reviews after an exam interrogate students about a fictional cafe with the same name. And honing his skill a sword swallowing attempts not to just gulp down thirteen sharp blades, but two then twitch them all around we reach him in the hospital as it happens, the Thursday edition radio that always gets right to the point. The good people of Churchill Manitoba are breathing a great sign of relief today because they're train has finally come in spring flooding washed away the communities only rail link back in twenty seventeen and that cut off the roughly one thousand residents from the rest of the country and drove up prices on everything from food to fuel today. The prime minister was in Churchill to Mark the trains return. This means that families will once again be connected to each other. That tourists will visit the polar bear capital of Canada and the port will resume its operations with this new deal. Churchill we'll have full control over its future. Prime minister Justin Trudeau speaking in Churchill Manitoba today wrote a the mills is the owner of the local home hardware, we reach misdemeanors in Churchill road. Where were you? And what were you doing when you? Heard that train whistle blow last night. I was giving kids Hellene treats right in my doorstep. And I heard that train and started screaming and yelling. They'll look at me. Everybody. Everybody got major excited. What do they do? They started running towards the train. But meanwhile, like that other kids behind him. So I had to save a high, but training enjoyed it. And so the all in their costumes every kids went down. And when did you find the get down to see it? I didn't get down there till about eight thirty when everything calmed. And what did you do that? I went up to it. And gave it a big kiss because I was so happy to see that train. You kissed the train and you darn right? It's been seventeen months as I seen one. And I want to get this because actually here. And I mean, give us a sense of what it's been like for you personally in your business without getting that that is the only land link right to Churchill, and so you need that train. Right. That is correct. That's the only way I could bring my lumber and building materials up, but then I had to go and bring it up through a barge and to get up through bars you had to order in July, and you didn't see timber to over. We should say that you own the home hardware and Churchill, right? Yes. That's correct. We own a home hardware here. How much more was it costing you to bring lumber by barge Tripoli amount. And so without affecting. So you had to pass that onto your your customers. How is that affecting your business? It was very hard. I mean, a lot of people went no, we're not doing anything this year. So I really got caught with a lot of expensive material. So I really off five outta lumber shed because there was nothing going on. On in that part of the business 'cause we used to crate and stuff for the north. And unfortunately, all that creating that we used to do for the north was gone. So I had to let a lot of my goals 'cause the business just was not there, and then you have these horses. What happened to them? What how you was the train lack of trained doing for them? Well, the lack of training not coming in. And I couldn't get hey. So I had to bring in by barge, you know, I have to pay forty eight hundred dollars per container, and then another over five thousand just to get it here. And so may was only eighty dollars bail, and I only got eight 'cause that's all what would in the container. Gosh, you're shipping. Hey in container. Yep. That's the only way could get here would affected the heaven your animals well on Perla. Unfortunately, we did not have enough. Hey, so we had to take them and see them people's lawns and stuff. And unfortunately, the grass up here. Has so much sugar in it that are Perla actually ended up being a diabetic. So she went lane. Oh, it's it's been a long time. We we're still working with her on that. But now, it's just hay only nothing else. No grass is no carrots and treats any and all the things that happened just to you because of not having that train what affected heaven others. What was it like for for the town for a lot of other is didn't have jobs to go back to? So a lot of people ended up leaving. But a lot of people did stay because they couldn't afford to lead. Joe? And to be honest. They're starving. They had no income. It's been very hard on the whole community. But you know, what we all stuck together? And a lot of people helped Doda other people that were hungry. I even started a foodshare in my hardware store cO down 'cause village 'cause people are hungry. But there's also the problem that the train was bringing food. So how will you get? Well, north stores was flying everything in and of course, prices tripled. So a lot of people could not afford just eat one child on welfare check or unemployment because they still have rent to pay and unfortunately up here. Everybody's rent spike up to and then our mail when double on us. So we couldn't even mail stuff anymore. It just one disaster after another, and it hurt a lot of people and really hurt us to how much long could you could you have held out to be honest. I don't think held up with longer not at all 'cause wasn't moving product anymore. I couldn't get anything. Like, I can't get lumber in on a plane. So I don't have the material sell then you go under. So how close were you to packing it in and leaving? We what's end already to. I can just say that was very hard hard new family. Oh, yes. My son left took my grandson. And that's hardest thing on us because we were with our grandson every day, and no more and my granddaughter. So it's really hard on my husband 'cause our kids are going now, and that broker hurts bigtime 'cause they just couldn't make it here. Can't believe all the things that happen to you just in this year, just one family, and repeat that how many times. Too many times. There's so many families have gone through this too soon. But we're just happy. Now, we're going to get a train dock, and that's what we're looking for what you right now, and you organized a street party in chill today. Yes. And it went very well. Actually. So it worked out very very nicely. It was actually me and Lorraine Spence luring cold one day and said Rohde what we speak party and here everybody when the first drink comes in. And I said, yeah, that's wonderful idea. So we got on board got everything done. And of course, train never chain trait. Never came. And then came last night. Hey last night at six thirty in the middle of Halloween. You heard that whistle. Yeah. Yep. That's right. So today, we had a great free party was rainy snowy. But you know, what it turned out great road? I'd say that that train was worthy of your kiss. Yes. It was. Yes, I'm happy for you. We'll think you so much. Thanks for talking to us. Yes, for sure. Thank you. Bye. Bye road. The meals is the owner of the home hardware up in Churchill Manitoba. The migrant caravans out of Central America are still moving toward the US. But the obstacles in their way are growing by the day US, President Donald Trump says that he is prepared to send as many as fifteen thousand troops to the Mexican border to keep out Central American migrants, travelling north last month, thousands of people mostly from Honduras, and El Salvador began banding together. Many are escaping poverty and gang violence. They are making the journey on the backs of trucks on foot by hitching rides. And for the past two weeks. Daniel Gonzalez has been following their journeys Mr. Ellis has an immigration reporter with the Zona Republic. We reached him into Coon Amman, Guatemala, just across the border from Mexico. Daniel can you tell us what you're seeing right now at the border? Sure, why I'm on the quantum Mollins side of the border into Coon Aumont, and I'm into the main plus and there are several hundred migrants. Gathered all over the laws. Seems like most all of these migrants are from El Salvador, their laundry kind of spread out sitting down and shaded areas of very very oppressively hot here. And the reason that they're here is they're trying to decide what to do. This is this is the third so called caravan or large exodus of people that has formed on the Guatemalan side in the last two weeks with the intention of the into Mexico, and they're making their way through Mexico to the US border. Ask you what that sound is somebody flowing some kind of horn. I think it might be a vendor some vendors who are showing up to migrants, I'm not really sure, and you say these people are from El Salvador, we know others were coming out of Honduras getting going crossing into the Malla. This is basically this is this is different caravan. That's as they are they joining together at all while the very first caravan which crossed over two weeks ago to Saturday's that's caravan star. In hundred some people join the care along the way in what Amal and I'll sell the door. But first caravan which is over five thousand people maybe more there are over two hundred miles north of here. Then the second care which we encountered yesterday that here also seemed to be made up mostly of hundreds as well. But there were also some other Central American. This third caravan seems to be for me now they are made up of Salvadoran are the Mexicans letting them cross. Nope. The bridge has been shut down for several weeks. And what the two previous caravans have done is lined up on that ridge and force their way into Mexico, and there's been some violent clash their tear gas is used rubber bullets the Mexican government's trying to avoid other large groups of processing in mass. And they're offering smog of fifty to one hundred people to cross through the bridge legally. If they have a passport, and they're offering the chance to why for silences states in Mexico refugees, the people I've talked to here have flat out rejected that they don't want to stay in Mexico. They don't know if that's some kind of a trick to apprehend them in deport them. And even if it wasn't their goal is to reach the United States and apply for Silom, and hopefully be able to work and day legally in the US that's their goal. I understand that. There were some who tried to cross the river itself in the water. What happened there? Yes. That was on Sunday say cross I'm Tena Asli on the bridge and on the river and the river there is between waste and Shanghai. And are you talking about lots of people with families mile children? I heard that there were heloc a helicopter hovering over the water the Mexican immigration. Authorities told me that that helicopter with purely to film the scene the migrants themselves told me they Billy. That they were trying to shop the water up to make it difficult for people to get across. They said it several people almost drown including children. Yes. There was a lot of children that were cross that way people had them on their shoulders. Say they're trying to reach the United States. Do they know that President Donald Trump is saying that he well he is sending thousands of troops to the border? He is saying that this is an invasion that these are thugs gang members. He will do everything he can to stop them. Are they aware that that is what is happening in the media in the United States or very very much aware of that? And they're one hundred percents determined to get to the border. They believe they have a legal right to enter as asylum-seekers. And also, they're very religious people. When things you hear over and over again people say God, find a way to help me get across it. Also, they believe that God will touch President Trump card and open the doors to the US. Follow the your stories and see people on foot pushing strollers carrying what they can every single person has a different story every there's a movie and every single one of those families. What what is some of the stories that have have really touched you the most people's health always about, you know, extreme poverty, not being able to work not being able to support their families. And then you hear people talk a lot about threat from gangs when you own a business or you work, you are forced to pay a very high percentage of your salary to the gang. And if you don't pay them, the Kilian one family that I interview from Honduras, they show documents that they were traveling away that being to verify that these threats were real that they have their lives have been threatened in Honduras. I'm not sure where they got some kind of a legal document a where they got it. But they they were hoping that that document would help them reach the United States and be allowed. To enter apply for five lots of stories like that extortion is a lot of young male with the group. These young men are between ages eighteen and in their twenties. And they say they're at the prime age of being targeted for recruitment. And if these join gangs they threatened to kill you. And they don't wanna join these games. Do you think is possible that these people will get to the US border? It's they're a long way from there at this point. They yeah. Yeah. Very likely that they will reach their but between here and the US border. Not always the very long distance very very dangerous through they you know, the train falling off while you're not the a cold. And then they also be attacked by criminal organizations that craving migrant and also being forced into the drug trade by the narcotraffickers. I get the sense that people feel like if they die making it to the United States at that price are willing to pay because it's so horrible and their own in their own country. Daniel, I know you gotta get back to her can lots of people to talk to we wanna talk to you. So I'll let you go. And appreciate you talking to us. Sure. No problem. Bye. Bye. Bye. Daniel Gonzales is immigration reporter with the Zona Republic. We reached him in Tacoma on Guatemala. Our next guest performs under the stage name captains steel, he has spent the last decade perfecting a sword swallowing act that has been featured on TV's, America's got talent and Ripley's believe it or not an attorney events across the United States, captain steals hospital. Name is just plain old, Chris Steele. He's been using that name since last week when something went wrong during a performance in Atlanta performance in which he swallowed thirteen swords at once we reach Mr. Steele in his hospital bed in Stelle, Georgia, which is just outside Atlanta and the morning, some listeners may find his story disturbing captain steel how you doing. Oh, L, I'm recovering. Well, doctors are saying I am making some progress. I guess if I could say anything positive I got to start on liquid diet. This is the first thing I've had to eat or drinks. That's about three PM on last Thursday. That's definitely I didn't even want to watch TV or anything because there's cheeseburger commercials on. On. When you say, if you could say anything, it's it's it's it's amazing that you can say anything at all as in having a voice having thirteen swords down your throat. Yeah. It's amazing. I'm even alive was very close. Call I like to say that possibly someone and great midway in the sky was looking out for me because it was pretty rough accident perforated through my SAFA, guess and didn't realize actually had been generally taking thirteen swords and pushing down into my Asaf it gets, and then I spent a hundred ninety degrees, and then pull them out well instead of pushing through that push through the side wall of my SAFA, guess and pushed it down sixteen inches down into my chest cavity. And then spun it one hundred eighty degrees in pulled it out and somehow avoided hurting any of my internal organs. It's a miracle even sitting here talking to you today. But this isn't something somebody thrust into you against your will you demand. How long have you been? Swallowing swords? I started learning to swallow swords about eighteen years ago about actually yesterday make ten years since my first stage show yesterday on Halloween made ten years so much in your aniversary. I ended up spending in the hospital, and it's the first time I have had this type of injury as well. So and I'm not just a do one or two shows a year or a month. I last year I did four hundred eleven shows me and my wife make a point we do a lot of traveling. We try to raise awareness for acceptance. You know for not only love and yourself, but love and others for their differences. I was very bullied child. I wasn't treated like others. It was different and awkward, and I did fall in love with the circus because they accepted the freaks and the weirdos and the reeboks and then. Always the, you know, close to home for me. I mean, was it. I mean was it was it was there. No other act was nothing else. You could do in the circus except swallow swords. I mean was something less dangerous a lot of those too, but come on sorts following as you know, the one that is the most respected stunt in the side show. Okay. See you have done this. So many times they with the with the thirteen sorts you've done that part like that that gun the thirteen sorts list. Well over a hundred times now thirteen so a twist and so what went wrong this time. It was an exhausting day. I had where I two gigs before that then we went and did our full show. And then after that after that, I did part that I do with a band that was local when I did that band. I ended up doing the stunt, but it was an venue that had very low ceilings. And so a lot of time. When I MENA venue in eight lens drop to one name, and I'm able to do it. Anyway, in this case a lot of them. I think a combination of exhaustion, I think a combination of just not having angle, right and so forth. It happened. I answer. How soon after you did the ad? Did you know that something had guns immediate you could feel the puncture while it mmediately? There was definitely a lot of blood on the swords after that. I knew that something happened. But I didn't know if it happened inside mass off, I guess or if I prefer aided by us office. I wasn't very sure about it. And within a half hour time, you could actually feel around my neck, and we call them Rice Krispies as when air gets under the skin is kind of a crunchy crunch and rice crispy feeling thought that was kinda gross and immediately I knew that air was getting into their new. There was a problem. How did the audience respond to all of? This big never knew thing happened. And I guess that's kind of what we do. You know, we always try to make ourselves look like superheroes. No blood, no pains. I can do this you know, that would kill normal human being. And so we're always presenting that out there. So even if there's, you know, you're doing a routine that whip trick routine or walking on glass or something, and you get whipped and the ear or you get a cut in the foot you act like nothing happened until you get to the back because it's really putting that out there. It's not a, hey, look I like in torture myself. It's more of look what I can do that. No one else can do go back to sword swallowing when you get out. Absolutely. That's what I was born to do. Absolutely. And so what advice would you give to wanna be sword swallowing for listening to this show? No rational person should ever do it. If you wanna do it. You know, think about it? Are you willing to give your life up for something that you're so passionate about are? You. Passionate about it. That worst case scenario, you lose your life. Is it worth it? And I can answer that one hundred percent and say absolutely I will take your advice and not going to sort spoiling convinced follow sore. While of sorts. Also, nobody buys tickets smart shows. All right. Thanks, and I hope you have a complete recovery. Thank you. Wonderful. Thank you so much. Chris Steele is a sword. Swallow, reach him in Austell, Georgia and see a photograph of Mr. Steele's daring feat that is EFI AT head to our website, CBC dot CA slash AH. Elsie Jenkins is the manager of Melbourne's calmer. Cafe but calm isn't how she's describing herself. Now. Ms Jenkins, coffee and wine bar has been hit by a wave of awful reviews. Things had been going pretty well. They're Google star rating for Kulmer cafe was up to four point eight. Then suddenly plummeted to three point five the posts that accompanied the poor rating said such things as quote, some ignoramus with a man bun serve me, the most disgusting coffee, unquote. The MS Jenkins didn't have any servers without quaff in question and their customers seem to be enjoying their coffees. The mystery was solved when some students came in and said as MS Jenkins reports, quote, we're sorry. This is happening. What was happening was that forty thousand students had just completed their standardized English exam and exam that included questions based on a fictional review in which a character named Jonty Jenkins. Slim's a made up Espresso place called Comber coffee. Ms. Jenkins says that when she heard about that exam question. She was shaking from head to foot. She's worried that the ratings could permanently hurt the business and wonders why the exam makers didn't do a quick Google search to make sure they're fictional scenario. Didn't do any real damage the testers say they're sorry for any inadvertent similarities and are offering to help remove the testy reviews. On the first day of Passover in nineteen forty three the Nazis shot and buried more than twelve hundred Jews in the Ukrainian town of some better efforts to memorialize the mass grave worth what it on someone surrounded it with giant crosses today. Those crosses were supposed to be moved another monuments installed in a ceremony to acknowledge the massacres seventy fifth anniversary that did not happen. Mark Freeman is a Canadian lawyer with family ties to some beer, Mr. Freeman has worked for years to give the site. It's due respect. We reached him in love eve, Ukraine. Mr freeman. No, you're normally into on to-. What was the plan for what you were going to do in Ukraine today? The plan was to start with the construction of Morial park in the city of some beer, and the first step was relocating three giant crosses that surround them. Mass grave in the cemetery and unveil and dedicate a memorial to seventeen fighters for Ukrainian freedom, and what happened to the plans because I know this was well advanced you had all kinds of support from senior people who all had agreed. This was something that would be good for Ukraine for its image its respect for the Jews who buried there. What happened to those plans? Well to put it in the simplest term. So we were unable to fund local priests who are willing to officiate the relocation of across where would the crosses to go. They were to go to the cemetery that currently houses the burial place of Ukrainian soldiers who led the revolt in nineteen eighteen so there were there. So these three crosses the three crosses that were in this doers cemetery place. They were going to thirty feet tall. We should they were going to be removed and taken to another location at Christian location, where they would have a place of honor to commemorate gray fighters who actually fought to establish a Ukrainian Republic, so good place for them as fitting place for them. And so how is it that three thirty foot crosses were the only thing that was memorializing that site. It's a it's a sad story nine it goes back twenty years where an elderly Jewish philanthropist originally from the area had a plan, which is strikingly similar to one that we've been trying to put in place, namely to rehabilitate the old Jewish cemetery and to rehabilitate the mass grave and put up a fitting memorial. What set some of the locals off was has this philanthropist plan to? Landscape, the area by putting in a star of David in front of the mass grave it with a relatively large star of David about twenty feet large, this infuriated, some of the local populous they came into the cemetery destroyed everything that the gentleman had done, and then they arrested these giant crosses around the perimeter of the mass grave and the intended star of David and they had them consecrated. They were blessed. And so there there can't be moon by a local priest. Well, local superstition was that they couldn't be moved the reality is they can be moved, but they need to be moved in proper tradition. The -ficiating by local clergy, which was going to happen today, which was supposed to be happening today. And they said we should point out. I believe that Jewish flan to piss to did all that initial work is also a Ukrainian Canadian. Yes. He was he sadly died of a broken heart. Your family was from some beer from this place. Yes. What are they buried in that cemetery? No, they're they're buried in a mass grave as well. On the outskirts of the city, the Jewish population of some beer, which before the war number ten thousand about thirty five percent of total population of the city by the end of the war was reduced to a hundred including my parents, and they were destroyed half of them five thousand were deported to the death. Candidate bells. The remaining five thousand were killed in two maker actions about two thousand on the eve of Passover nineteen forty three the last three thousand with liquidation of Jewish ghetto on the Jewish holiday of Chippewas all the entire extended family safer, another my father were killed in that lasted actually. I'm so sorry. We I went to this place when he when I went to the cemetery. What was the feeling you had it? What was it like to be there? It was chilling. The the cemetery was entirely overgrown and neglected. It was waist high in weeds. And the only thing that you saw was these three and crosses. And I hate to say this goats and chickens grazing in the cemetery and still though they did find the bullet popped execution low where people had been had. And you can't imagine what happened on that horrible day in April nineteen forty three as the hapless children women, and then we're taking in-state ges lined up in front of an open pit and shot and not all the bullets hit their intended targets, the ones that. Hit the wall are still lodged in that wall. But when when you go there to try and get this memorial. They won't give me any in any religious symbols in it. It was just going to be just. That was our idea. Let me explain the reasoning wise if the star of David was what set people off and their counter move was to see a star of David raise us three crosses. We would lower the temperature by having a totally symbol free memorial park. You had support from the patriots of both Christian branches in Ukraine, you had support from the government you had supported all levels. So what prevented you what what stops this from happening high accepted? There are people of bag will who are willing to play on dark forces prejudice ignorance in furtherance of whatever goal is they have. But I don't accept it. We're finished reason that all these forces have been unleash recently is so petty. As to be almost heart breaking at bottom. There's a municipal struggle going on for who's going to be the mayor, and there are forces that are willing to play on the worst impulses of human nature for the petty prize of a male chair. Do you think that so at bottom at base where your problem MRs anti semitism there? There are forces of anti semitism that he'll have not been fully extirpated, especially in the church, and I have I still have hope. Seen so far is not anything more than a bit of fearfulness on the part of the clergy fearfulness of taking a stand to go out and public to say this is right. That is. So what are you going on? What are you going to make? I'm going to make them stand up and be candid. I admire your persistence. It's is is absolutely worthy of the effort. You're putting into it. And I appreciate speaking with you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Mark Freeman is Toronto lawyer we reached him in lovey, Ukraine. And who'd like see more on the story. Go to our website, CBC dot CA slash h. Nova Scotia's Audrey Parker sent out her last message today it began I can tell you. I love my life so much, and I have no regrets. Ms Parker died hours after posting that message to Facebook after choosing a medically assisted death. You may remember hearing her story on our program back in September. Ms Parker had terminal stage, four breast cancer and had been approved for medical assistance in dying. But she told us she was being forced to end her life earlier than she had wanted to because of a rule that says patients must be able to consent on the day. They choose to die. She was concerned that she would not be able to do that. If her condition worsened, miss Parker advocated for a change to that late stage. Consent rule inter note today, she said, quote, I'm willing to leave early. If it will result in this change for those who come after me. Here is Audrey Parker in conversation with Carol. There needs to be a measure in place where someone like me can say, look, I know that I may be incapacitated down the road. But I am saying right here. Now, I want medical assistance in dying. And I want that to stand if and when I do become incapacitated. And we just don't have that measure in place right now, you said earlier that you have you've been having a really beautiful end of life. What has made it so good? My mindset, I would say my mindset once I was diagnosed I just immediately went into acceptance. I just knew there was nothing. I could do about it. And I had just become divorced for months earlier. And I learned I was dying. So I thought you know, what I'm gonna make the very best of the rest of my life. I've never really seen. Anyone do that? There was no role models around me. But I just decided I'm in control of myself. I'm in control of how I handle this. I can feel sorry for myself. I can chase a cure or I can just lean in and make the best of a bad situation. And that's exactly what I've done, and I can only describe it as joyous. November first is the date that you have booked, and you will have people around you have an idea of how I won't be surprised if I have twenty something. You know, I've always lived my life trying to be a good friend to other something helpful to other. And I'll tell you it's coming back to the instate. I haven't we're about a thing for two and a half years. I have friends that have stuck with me been by my side since this all began, and they're still. I'm sure that'd be there with me lighthouse from archives that was Audrey Parker in conversation with Carol back in September, miss Parker died with medical assistance today. For patients with early stage, cervical cancer, minimally invasive surgery is often what is recommended. But Dr Pedro minutes is warning his colleagues to stop doing the keyhole surgeries. In these cases. Dr tremendous is the lead author of a new study that suggests that minimally invasive surgery is actually more risky than open surgery. It is one of two papers with similar findings that were published in the most recent New England Journal of medicine doctor. It is is with the university of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center, we reached him in Houston. Doctor Ramirez what you discovered is. Quite startling. We at all expecting these results. No. We were actually quite surprised to see the results of our study. When we initially embarked on this study our intent was to evaluate whether the minimally invasive surgical approach when performing radical hysterectomy. Mean patients with early cervical cancer was equivalent to what had been that traditional approach, which was opened surgery. So yes, we were quite surprised to distantly. What was what are the two options that women had been offered? Sure. So traditionally prior to the introduction of minimally invasive surgery was the open surgical approach, and that's what we know as an open Abouna incision, and then with the introduction of minimally invasive surgery, which was initially what we know as Labra could be and then subsequently has about robotic surgery, then the same procedure was performed through very small incisions in the abdomen. It offered patients a much quicker recovery and return to their functional daily activities, you would only plan to include seven hundred forty women in your randomized trial. You did six hundred thirty one and then you stopped. Why's that? What were you seeing in those numbers? When we had already accrued a total of six hundred thirty women onto the trial. We'd received a message from the of eighteen monitoring committee, and basically this is a committee. That advises us is to the safety of the of the intervention of the safety of what we're doing and they were concerned that in one of the arms. There was an issue that they wanted to evaluate further. So this happened back in June of last year. They asked us for further. Follow up information from all the sites at that time. We had thirty three sites around the world participating in this study they propose that after we obtain that additional follow up data within three to four month period that reevaluation would be performed. And then we we did that at reevaluation and that did show that these safety signal was essentially did. And in fact, they told us that we needed. To stop the study because of a high risk of recurrence, and they in a high risk of death in the patients who had minimally invasive surgery how much high risk. So we found that women who had a minimally invasive radical hysterectomy had a four fold increase of recurrence win compared to the open radical hysterectomy. So this is quite striking. And just I guess a numbers of people because it's more graphic when you look at that of getting the straits a follow up found that twenty seven women in the minimally invasive group had cancer recurrence. Only seven with the open surgery nineteen deaths in the minimally invasive group and only three in the open in the open surgery group. So that's really dramatic, isn't it? Yes, this is actually quite alarming. And as you mentioned these were recurrences of cervical cancer, these were death. So obviously we had to make an immediate change in our. Actes when we learn these results here at MD Anderson, we stopped offering the minimally invasive radical hysterectomy to our patients and subsequently we have seen that our presentation at the meeting of the society of kind of logic on colleges in March of this year. There have been a number of institutions have followed the same approach that they have changed completely to the open surgery approach. I think that the publication of these studies, and then we England Journal of medicine will certainly also continue to encourage that transition to the to the open approaching many centers. And in fact, actually, when we look at the guidelines for the national comprehensive cancer network for two thousand nineteen they have already made a mention of perhaps changing practice to the open approach and certainly for patients to discuss with their surgeons if they're having a radish. Hysterectomy? You know, women listening to this who themselves are no other women who have had cervical cancer have had or have it now looking toward surgery. What should they be doing? Especially those who have had the minimally invasive surgery. Should they be worried? Yes, an excellent question. And I think that certainly for those who have not had the radical hysterectomy, I think is critically important again to have a discussion with their surgeons regarding the surgical approach and regarding the results of these studies in particularly focusing on the cancer related outcomes. Now as pertains to the women who have had the minimally invasive surgery one thing that is important to highlight is that if the patient has had the surgery more than two years ago, most likely, they're they're going to be okay. And and there won't be an impact from this. Because we saw that most of the recurrences are Kurd within the first two. Years after surgery. So what do you what do you do now? Because I mean, there are people some are saying that the studies don't tell the whole story. There's more study that's necessary. Wha- what where do you go from here? Certainly I think that again, it's important to note that the data that we had far was retrospective data. And with this study, this is the highest level of evidence in that it is a prospective randomized trial. It is published in one of those reputable journals medicine and the New England Journal medicine. It is also published alongside another study by the row Hain that explored exactly the same question. The results were actually quite similar certainly think that one can sense the validity of these studies, and and and apply that to how we care for our patients. I think that just taking the position of well, I'm just going to keep doing it because I like doing the surgery or because I spent. Quite a bit of time training, if not the ideal approach, we should derive our practice based on these level one evidence studies. All right. Very important information. Lots of people are interested in this for their own personal reasons. Doctrine marriage. And I appreciate speaking with you. Thank you. It's been a pleasure. Thank you. Dr Pedro Ramirez is a professor in the department of gynecological on college and reproductive medicine. At the university of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center, we reached him in Houston. There are some odd creatures down in the deepest darkest parts of our oceans, we love talking about them on this program, including all too, recently, the cute and terrifying, headless chicken monster. And we often ask scientists or researchers to describe these creatures, and that's difficult. It's a hard tusk because it's difficult to capture in words. Just how wonderful and weird something is unless you are one of the scientists on an expedition this week off the coast of California. This group was using a remotely operated vehicle to explore undersea volcano when something somewhat spooky and completely adorable popped up on their screen, a- Dumbo octopus. It is ghostly. It is rare, and it has to very cute flapping ears. And these scientists were completely pumped about it. Here's a bit of what the sounded. Like, oh, look, we got a little octopus in the call. Dumbo? Dumbo get rewarded after all those pigs. All right crew. LA cou where we go. Lasers turn them off some really good imaging. Dumbo? We go. So showing off here you're going to be famous vehicle. That. This is great. Wow. Oh, there we go. Show us. Hi, deb. I love me a good cephalopod the cheetah's on this grip to this. Granpa to grumpy to grow. What are these guys feed on backwards grumpy creatures? All right. I got along. Unfortunately, goodbye goodbye. For now. To meet you by buddy. Hope you find you. That was the sound of scientists putting the grumpy toothless they're rare dumble octopus this week off the coast of California complete with the finding nemo reference. You've been listening to the as it happens podcast. Our show can be heard Monday to Friday on CBC radio one and Sirius XM you can also listen to the whole show on the web. 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339- The Tunnel

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339- The Tunnel

"This is ninety nine percent invisible. I'm Roman Mars. Back in the nineteen eighty s q key Skinner was a reporter with the newspaper called the Zona Republic. He covered the drug trade and the border, and it's been a lot of time in different parts of Mexico. But he was getting tired of traveling and of being a stranger in every place. He went he wanted to actually settle down in Mexico and to make a life. That's when I thought about well, I I'd like to be part of a community and Mexico. If I lived here in new going on here, I could buy some pretty good stories so cute moved to Agua Prieta a town right on the border where he done some reporting before I'll go Prieta is just across the line from Douglas, Arizona. The two cities are contiguous one urban area that spans the border divided by towering rust colored metal wall a steep concrete. Ditch a line of concertina wire and a mesh fence and Chiaki did what he'd set out to do. He settled down and made a life their own Delaney hall. He built a house married. A Mexican woman continued mastering the slingy Spanish of northern Mexico and ended up having five kids. I would Prieta became his home. And the thing I liked about. I will put it to it wasn't tourism oriented at all it was very Mexican community. And I was very intrigued by the tone for that reason Kyonggi ended up scaling back his full-time reporting job. So he could open a smoothie shop and juice bar. What better way to get to know this city than to have a business here where people will come in and hang out and talk he could listen and observe and probably pick up a few good ideas for the occasional freelance story that came as way he named his smoothie shop L Mito Tei. Listen in Spanish, it means a like a gossip spot or there's a a ruckus going on for example of sirens. Going down the street. Everybody kinda runs out to see where the where the cop cars are going. And that's like, well, where's the middle? You know, what's going on? It's a hubbub type thing Chiaki pick the name because. On occasion, he'd been accused of being a meat of dead. All meaning a nosy person. Someone who prize he wasn't working as a full-time journalist anymore. But that didn't mean he wasn't a reporter at heart. He loved collecting bits and pieces of information and asking questions figuring out what was really going on. And so that's how I got the name for my business, and stuck it stuck in fact to this day, many years later, I'll run into people like at a gas station, and they'll see me, and they'll yell at me in Spanish thorough, which means blonde gossiper. They don't know my name. But they know I had thought it's kind of perfect though, because it's also where you first started to see evidence of this big conspiracy. That was going on. There was things going on there that wasn't hard to start picking up stuff. So if that would eventually lead jokey to one of the biggest and strangest stories he'd ever cover in other news today, something that one customs agents, call something out of JAMES BOND. The story involved the cocaine trade only last week another six hundred pounds of cocaine were found concealed the truck. El Chapo guthman. He has been the most wanted man in Mexico, marijuana cocaine heroin and murder are all part of his business and an incredible feat of engineering architecture that would change the drug trade forever. It was nineteen eighty nine. When Chiaki I started noticing some new customers in the juice shop. It was guys. He hadn't really seen before they had a certain swagger and attitude, and he says, they often had bodyguards with them resumes. Not typical for an outing to the juice shop Chiaki described them as seen Loa cowboy types. So just when you said they seen a low Cowboys would come in like what do they look like what are they act like a real high end Kubwa boots? The leave is the leather vest the white hats that they wear pickup trucks with the plates. They all feel like they were kind of bud the law. They double park out in front of my place in you know, they didn't give give a damn everybody. Just kind of stayed away from him because they knew what was going on. These guys were in town for some some something back in the late eighties the scene. Loa cartel wasn't quite these sprawling dominant criminal organization. It's become today. But it was headed in that direction. The cartel controlled a lot of the drug trafficking quarter of that ran through the Mexican states of seen alot and Sonora then across the border into Arizona in onto big distribution points, like Phoenix and Los Angeles our Prieta fell right along that corridor. Keough K suspected that these guys in his ju- shop buying their smoothies with hundred dollar bills were part of the cartel. He began observing them cautiously from a distance, but he also wasn't above marketing to their sensibilities, and the big thing we hyped with them was we had drinks that we called AR. Fifteen they love that one. And then we had what we had an alpha drink we hyped it as being real good for hangovers. So they would come in and drink fresh off of mixed with pineapple or whatever, you know, they bought into my advertising schemes, and that's what they would have this key. Okay. Says is one of the rules of border towns. Even if the theory of trickle-down economics doesn't really hold up in other places it kinda works here. You're dealing with border towns and drug trafficking, trickle down economics is a valid idea because in Mexico, these guys don't hoard the money gets spent on stuff like big houses, and the fancy cars not to mention bribes to local cops and politicians and businesses where the narcos launder their money in general Chiaki says drug traffickers tend to be pretty flashy. But there was one new guy that stood apart from the Loa Cowboys with their leather vests and high end boots was guy dressed more. Like a businessman. His name was Francisco Ruffy L come arena messiahs in one day. He offered Kyoko his business card and told him a little about what he was doing in town covenant claim to be a lawyer out of wedlock Hotta, the story that I got from it when he came into my juice bar at one time was that he was a contractor, and he was going to build houses in. I will put them also told that he was pursuing some business opportunities just across the border in our preemptive sister city, Douglas, Arizona, and that point I didn't know what score was I thought he was pretty legit. It wasn't yet. Clear to Kochi that come out was also in the drug trade and would take almost a year for that to become apparent to the entire city of Douglas as well. And by then come on had already turned the little town upside down. Douglas, e small about fourteen thousand people lived here back in nineteen eighty nine when come arena for showed up. It doesn't have a whole lot of attractions. One of the main ones is the gadston hotel, which was first built back in the early nineteen hundreds when the area was more of a magnet for cattlemen, ranchers, and mining tycoons, it has a grand marble lobby and these gorgeous, Tiffany style stained glass windows, they depict the surrounding Sonoran desert with its Suara cactus Katito and creosote bushes today that doesn't landscape is heavily surveilled a network of towers equipped with cameras and sensors watch the southern border and all of Douglas pretty much twenty four hours a day border patrol trucks with tinted windows cruise the streets. There's so much history here because this all started with Mr. Douglas or your a tape recording me is that okay? On the north side of town. There's a shop called Douglas diesel. It's a big brick warehouse with peeling stucco filled with truck parts, and it's owned by this guy. Gary James, maybe we better just start all over. Well, first of all what's your name? And when when when were you born? My name is Gary James was born one thirty one fifty one Gary grew up in Douglas and his live here almost all his life. He helps fix and service the semi's and trucks that pass through the port of entry hauling close electron IX window blinds and car parts, manufactured in Mexico about one hundred and forty five thousand personal vehicles and more than two thousand trucks crossed the border every month. So a lot of my business is from from Mexico. I'm fact, I would say probably eighty percent of my business is from south of the border, and Gary says that one your customers are people who work in the cross border trucking business, a certain number of them will have ties to smuggling when you have a foreign country that butts up to the United States and the drug problem that we have in America, you're gonna have these kind of transactions all the time in all kinds of businesses. And so many times, I know people coming into my shop may not be. B legit one hundred percent. But it's still a business. I'm legit. So I I sell them the parts, but when Gary I met Rafael coming arena out at a local bar. He says he didn't suspect that Camarena was involved in any smuggling. I remember him being dressed very well was very professional. Never looked like he ever got excited or upset and never said anything that would make you. Question who he was? Excuse me. Diesel. Coming into was outgoing and social and he became friendly with some Douglas's most prominent citizens that included the chief of police and local Justice of the peace who owned a lot of land come in and actually bought a plot of that land near an industrial part of the border. And he also bought the local business that sat on the business was called Douglas ready mix and it sold sand gravel and concrete for construction projects. Come at in a hired Gary to help service his trucks. And so I was saying Mr Medina at least on a weekly basis, at least to Gary come arenas business appeared to be aboard. So the devastating mix was actually bidding on federal contracts city contracts. They'd contracts for all kinds of materials that are needed in row building a bridge building. And so it looked like very very legit business. And I mean, he was implying people in. So so we were all happy because at that point in time. There wasn't much industry in Douglas, Arizona. So it's really right downtown for. Real close to where all DA in customs people were stationed. That's right into their nose. Pretty much. Kyonggi Skinner is giving me the Douglas tour in his nineteen Seventy-three VW bug, which has a flapping canvas roof and a bumper sticker on the back that says make America Mexico again with a map showing the US territory that used to be part of our southern neighbour. Okay. This is this warehouse right here right now, the city has been using it to store some of their buses in their vans that run around run around. Douglas in front of us is a beige warehouse surrounded by a chain link fence come at an constructed this building for his ready mix business back in the late eighties. He stored his trucks and equipment and material here the border fence is about one hundred paces away. Mexico is right there. And through the fence just over the line. We can see another property that used to become at us. It's a ranch style. Home in a wealthy neighborhood of our Prieto, come at in built the house on vacant lot, which he reportedly bought for ninety thousand dollars cash was a little bit over and above market price to say, the least it raised some eyebrows. This guy was throwing around a lot of money. And then there was the enormous hole behind them. Come arena told his neighbors. It was going to be a swimming pool. But as time went on they realized it was starting to fill up with dirt again. And so one day I was in. The neighbor told me, you know, the big hole was behind them. Well, toll filled in no pool had materialized. Even though there was a lot of construction activity at the house with trucks going in and out and hauling dirt. And at this point because Douglas, and our Prieta are both relatively small towns. And everyone knows. Everyone else. Rumors were beginning to circulate me told this as Chiaki would call them people were saying that come arena wasn't just building a warehouse on the US side in a nice residential home on the Mexico side. He was building some kind of tunnel between them that dirt that slowly refilled the swimming pool. Whole apparently it had been dug out of a passageway that ran under the border. U S customs officials in Douglas and then in Phoenix eventually received a number of tips from informants. They learned that comma dental was using the passageway to smuggle drugs from his home in our Prieta across the border to his warehouse in Douglas, but before law enforcement could go into the warehouse to search for the tunnel. They needed to establish that the smuggling was actually happening. So they staked out comet in his warehouse. Camarena's business was located one block away from the US customs headquarters. This was later chronicled in an episode of unsolved mysteries. It was very dramatic early. Nineteen ninety we initiated twenty four hour. Surveillance of the Douglas, ready mix company. Agents stake dot com. Rain as business for over two months. Yes comedy. Alright. Law enforcement, eventually followed a flatbed truck that they'd seen leaving coming in his warehouse, and they trailed it to a property outside of Phoenix where they conducted a rape redo the farm where Camarena's crooked scene. Scene agencies over a ton of nearly impure cocaine street value over one hundred million dollars, the cocaine had been transported inside a hidden compartment. Beneath the truck's bed for the drugs would come from Camarena's warehouse. In may of nineteen ninety law enforcement rated comer in his warehouse in Douglas in his home in Ogle bradtha. They'd heard there was a tunnel. But they didn't really know exactly what it would be like, the first reaction was like, okay. A tunnel that sound to be some little bitty hole like a gopher hole these guys or crawling through? This is Terry creek, Patrick he worked with the US customs service at the time. And he was there the night of the raids first agents entered the warehouse on the US side. And in the middle of the floor was probably about a two foot by two foot. Great well that great just happened to be the shaft Laden down into the tunnel. Once they've found the tunnel entrance in the Douglas warehouse, some of the agents headed over to our Prieta where they were joined by the Mexican federal judicial police they discovered that come on and his family had already fled. His house was. Empty? No one was there. But there was no access to the tunnel. They couldn't figure it out. We weren't sure. How to get into it? Either. The agents went into what looked like a recreation room with a pool table in it. And when they pulled away the carpet, they could see there was something unusual about the floor. It looked as if there was a separate concrete slab underneath the pool. Table kind of enormous trap door. The agents started looking around for some kind of button or lever that might open it and someone also pulled out a jackhammer. I just happened to be the one that took the Jack Cameron star jackhammer in the floor on top of where the poll table was as I'm standing there, Jack. And all of a sudden, it moved and started to go up, and then it stopped. And so everybody kind of froze we said, okay? Who touched what will it just so happen that one of the policemen outside was trying to get a drink water out of an outside waters? Beck. And when he turned that spigot. That's what was a control lever that allow the pull table to go up the valve triggered the pool. Table to rise up to the ceiling on huge hydraulic lifts like something and a mechanics garage revealing a set of stairs underneath which descended into the tunnel. The same one they'd found an entrance to on the Douglas side of the border. The tunnel was located about thirty feet underground once agents had the bottom. There was a passageway about two hundred seventy feet long four feet wide and five feet high just whole enough that a person could walk through slightly stooped pushing a real cart full of bundles of cocaine the tunnel had concrete walls and a curved concrete roof, there was ventilation system and rudimentary lighting. So this wasn't just a gopher hole. This was clearly a sophisticated engineering project just the complexity to this whole tunnel. Was something that had been unseen before unheard of. And no one I think the United States government, especially in law enforcement relies Avon this ever existed will federal agents on patrol along the Mexico. Arizona border said today that they discovered a major drug smuggling route where they have never looked estimated two million dollars worth of construction discovered last night. Concrete steel, reinforcing bars electric, Lara zone of five feet high four feet wide the length of a football field. Customs agents discovery of the tunnel was pretty much. The biggest thing that had happened in Douglas. Everybody was paying attention. I mean everybody, and we had congress people come out to Douglas Arizona, and you know, America's most wanted and unsolved mysteries. And and and we just had a lot of activity here for at least the first year after the tunnel was discovered. It was constant who just constant. I'd hear the helicopters Blackhawk. Landing all the time. Well, who is it today? You know, John McCain he was like Grand Central station in that place. Cokie started reporting in between shifts at the ju- shop, Gary kept servicing semis. But was also hired by the federal government to help maintain insecure. The warehouse site so law enforcement could come and go the customer service undertook a massive investigation, and people started printing t shirts, and bumper stickers which said is all the tunnel and selling them to all the visiting politicians and journalists everyone government officials reporters law enforcement ordinary citizens of Douglas. They were all asking the same questions. I who provided the money to build this tunnel. It was estimated to cost one to two million dollars to create. So the project clearly had the financing of a much bigger operation. And the other question was who had the expertise someone with engineering Noel had been involved someone who knew how to build a tunnel undetected that stretch the length of a football field and ran under the massive border. And concrete drainage ditch that separated Mexico from the US so right away. Everybody was talking like who invested in this who is the kingpin of this operation. 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You hear discussions on a variety of topics with far reaching implications from how venture capital is fueling innovation to the global shift toward renewable energy to economic impacts of President Trump's legislative agenda and more here all about the trends and developments shaping the world of today and tomorrow that's exchanges at Goldman Sachs available on itunes, Stitcher. Soundcloud and Google play and at GS dot com slash podcast right now in New York. A massive trial is underway. Keying Guzman, Laura better known as El Chapo is one of the most powerful drug kingpins ever to face prosecution. This trial is a huge deal for the US government, which tried unsuccessfully for decades to capture El Chapo and hold him accountable. Chapel escaped from Mexican prisons. Not once but twice before finally being arrested, again, an extradited to the us know when he's being transported from the federal prison in Manhattan, where he's being held to the courthouse in Brooklyn, whereas trial is happening. He's locked in. What basically sounds like a coffin that. Drug. Lord is said to be locked inside a security capsule, which is fixed to the floor of an armored vehicle protected inside by a team of officers with automatic weapons and escorted in a commando style convoy capable of repelling attack in an effort to prevent an assault on the caravan and risk another Chapo escaped. A forties are closing the Brooklyn Bridge while delivering him to court that transportation for early on in the trial back in November as prosecutors began to lay out the scope and scale of the ceelo cartels operation. Jurors were given a video tour of the Douglas tunnel. One discovered back in nineteen ninety the footage released to the public doesn't have sow. Sound but it chose agents walking stooped to the concrete passageway, and it shows the concrete slab below the pool table floating up from the floor on its hydraulic lifts under the leadership of El Chapo, the single Loa cartel became known for their creative smuggling methods, especially their tunnels the one in Douglas became a kind of prototype for many tunnels afterwards. And the person who oversaw its construction was a man named Felipe bay Zeus corona ver Barra the tunnels really started with a guy named Felipe a day. Hey, Seuss, corona Admiral who was an architect. He graduated from the university of Guadalajara in one thousand nine hundred eighty with an architectural degree, and there's not much known about his early life beyond. That fact, this is Monte real. He was the South America correspondent for the Washington Post and he's written about transporter tunnels for the New Yorker. And he says that while ref come not may have been the. Frontman for the tunneling project behind the scenes. It was could have it a bit who provided technical expertise. Karuna Barbera denies this. We'll get into that a bit more later, but he was convicted of conspiracy and drug smuggling in his own federal trial in two thousand six and a lot of what we know about him is based on testimony from that trial stories that have been collected from contract workers who helped him with certain construction projects and also from testimony from former cartel members cartel members like Miguel on hill. Martinez who worked as a pilot and later as Lieutenant for El Chapo before turning state's witness and entering witness protection. Back in the nineteen eighties. Nineties Martinez helped to manage chop does business for a time he coordinated cocaine deliveries from Columbia to our Prieta when he testified against corona Vidarbha he described him as being the only guy that he ever knew within the cartel. Who addressed chop with the pronoun tu instead of the more formal and deferential stead? So he was considered a guy who just was very close friends and very familiar with goose Mon, but I'm not sure if anybody really has the story of how they met we may not know that story, but we do know generally speaking, how some architects come to work for drug traffickers, basically is like in any business community. This is Joan Grillo a British journalist based in Mexico City. He's covered the drug trade and the drug war for almost twenty years luck, if you'll get a build a house, and you say you need knock takes my Oscar round, you know, who who knows it could architects, and it's a marketplace. And if you have somebody coming up and offering for good money above will, you might know many make it can be an offer. It's this hot the refuse and because cartels are such extensive and elaborate operations, they need many. Kinds of sub specialists the end up hiring, not just architects and engineers, but also accountants lawyers IT experts and even musicians who ballads about the exaggerated exploits of certain Arcos, many of these people are employed for one off jobs like contractors who you have professional killers who will hire pay to wage or pay for a hit. You have people who woke up at desert with the backpack for drugs on a paid normally put backpack, they take over and you have people who pay to build tunnels, and so they paid for the job. According to me Gillan hill Martinez, the former cartel member. The architect could have admit on worked on a number of building projects failed Chombo before embarking on the Douglas tunnel. And his first projects were just kind of construction jobs within Mexico that weren't related to tunnels. He hid built a couple of residential homes for goose Mon, and he helped design a form with zoo where chop oh kept some of his exotic pets many designed to grocery store where the Senate Loa cartel had some offices up in the top floor of it. And all of these projects whether Barnum or a home or a grocery store had certain flair the one thing that all of those projects had in common was that they featured hiding places that were all access by these hydraulic systems. There's a playfulness almost to the. Sort of systems that corona baron designed he was very creative in kind of developing ways to access these secret passageways that somebody who walked into the house would never really guess. In one thousand nine hundred eighty eight krona vet bed moved from Guadalajara, Mexico to the Douglas, our Prieta area with his wife and three kids and in the federal trial his defense team maintained that it was to work on legitimate projects. They argued that like a lot of people in the area. Karuna ver- Barra inadvertently got caught up doing business with people who had cartel connections. But that he didn't actually design or Bill the tunnel. They brought in an expert to testify that the tunnel. Looked more like the work of structural engineer in not an architect the trial transcripts get very detailed in jargonese with references to things like control joints and carrying compounds and inlet structures. The Vince says corruption in the area was rampant, and it was corona their barrows misfortune to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and there is some evidence that there were other specialists involved with the tunnel. A senior customs agent told me that one of the informants who tipped him off to the tunnel was a Mexican engineer. The engineer claimed he'd been hired by the scene alot cartel to research possible tunnel locations and to create tunnel designs, which were then handed off to corona their betta that detail is hard to fact check, but it comes from a credible source after being convicted in serving more than a decade in federal prison, corona their Berra's still denies being involved with the tunnel. His attorney told us that he also denies involvement in any previous trouble. Guzman projects we ask corona they're better for interview. But through a friend he told us that he's not willing to speak at this time. Despite pleading not guilty krona bed. Bed was seen at key tunnel locations, including both the warehouse on the US side and the residential home on the Prieta side. A number of local contractors and workers reported interacting with him at those construction sites described him as somebody that they would talk to you all the time who was always around. And I it's funny. A lot of people actually describe him in glowing terms, for instance, there was a contractor who described seeing the plans that corona ver Barra had for the warehouse, and he kind of paused in his testimony said they were beautiful plans. You know, so they kind of respected this guy as an architect. He kind of had this air about him that, you know, people looked at him as somebody who knew what he was doing. But there were also a few signs that this wasn't an ordinary construction project, for instance, the drains in the floor of the warehouse one worker raised questions. Their size, and the fact that they didn't appear to lead to a clear drainage system. This was because they were actually going to lead into the passageway the connected to the tunnel. And one of the workers said this these rains, they don't there's something not right with them where does the water go. He was kind of questioning the design and current affair Barra. Basically said, you know, mind your own business. I'm in charge here. The scene the lower cartel had handpicked the our Prieta Douglas border as a tunnel site for a few reasons for one thing the cartel was already operating there. They had established networks in established operation, and they'd already been moving drugs across the border above ground, mostly in vans and trucks with hidden compartments. And they were able to move about three tons per month across the border that way. But this man wanted more efficiency and understand why L chop goose non wanted. More efficiency, we need to take a little side trip to Miami. Back in the early nineteen eighties. Most cocaine was coming into the US not from Mexico, but from Colombia and the Colombian cartels preferred smuggling drugs into the country on boats in small planes through cities in south Florida, like Miami, Miami is the source that supplies two thirds of America's drug habit. And the Kate was helping to fuel a surge in crime. And so the Reagan administration started something called the south Florida task force to fight it. It looks like a war customs agents on a sinement ready for combat. High speed Cobra helicopters from the army with marijuana leaves painted on the side each leaf a successful drug bust. Reagan's goals for the task force were very ambitious. Our goal is to break the power of the mob in America and nothing short of it. We mean to 'em their profits imprison their members and crippled their organizations, but the reality is the harder we make it for smugglers to get goods across the border. The more money ends up getting pumped into the system. Militarising our border over many decades hasn't ended illegal trafficking. It's just helped professionalize it. The mole. You crack down on it the hotter. It gets Yohan Grillo again the hotter. It gets the price goes up the more the price goes up. The more money is made the more money is made them all criminals wanted to do it. So the criminals and adapt to it on our rich, a mole path and organizations and the Mexican cartels were about to get. A lot richer and more powerful, thanks in part to Reagan strategy of increased enforcement in south Florida because when the Colombian cartels saw that they were losing their product in drug busts in Miami. They just looked to a different border and new criminal collaborators said he tend to Mexico knaves agreement made where they would pay the Mexicans to take the cocaine from Mexico already had a big trough can route into the United States. So all the Columbus after bring up to Mexico Mexicans could take it on take the United States live it to them at a price per kilo all ton over the negotiating. So suddenly a lot of the cocaine that had been traveling around or over Mexico was now traveling through it and then across the southern border into the US which meant a lot of new money pouring into the Mexican cartels border agents in Arizona like Terry. Kirk Patrick could see the effects of this on the ground wanted. Hit. It was just like every car instead of marijuana had coke in it just like a thousand pounds at a time four thousand pounds. We got overrun so fast in as the US continued to crack down on cartels in Colombia. It eventually opened up new opportunities for Mexican cartels to become more than just couriers that eventually come to dominate the entire cocaine supply chain. So the big cuts house taking out in Columbia fast, populist, Kabbah and the caddy cartel will take him down and the Mexican cartels. Groom grew particularly this in the Noam's. I'm telling you, I was only like twelve or thirteen years old by then and my classmates, and I we're we're like I don't want to be as bre humor. Like most kids around the world. I want to be drug traffickers because they do have the morning, and they can do whatever they want. This is Miguel on held bega. He grew up in Kula Constanta Loa, which by this time had been the epicenter of Mexico's heroin and marijuana trade for decades, but with the rise of cocaine seen a low in drug traffickers were getting even more powerful. And they go watch that happen because he was growing up and some of his classmates became immersed in Narko culture. El Chapo was seen as a modern day, Robin Hood, helping churn the sin alone economy with drug money. And some of those Glutz classmates ended up being drug traffickers, and all I can tell you about that is some of them are imprisoned or that much of the blood is spilt here. And Cooley Akon violent nerve center instead of joining the narcos Vega became an investigative journalist focused on organized crime. He's chronicled the violence and chaos of the drug war, which has done so much over the years to destabilize the country corrupted since detentions and turn some of its most vulnerable people into asylum-seekers, violent seems like bee's body stuffed in garbage bags. Police executed and journalists assassinated a directly connected to the wrath of his Sinoloa cartel, and they explained that a lot of this violence and chaos was ceded back in the late eighties and only because the cocaine trade was being rerouted through Mexico. But also because the cartels were undergoing an internal reorganization Holden ration- of older narcos was leaving the scene. They were getting arrested. They were dying in a new generation was coming up, and they were dividing up the old territory. Forging new alliances and rivalries that generation included El Chapo, goose mom. On an enormously creative brutal and ambitious Narko. He was like eager for powered let's just as mobile the whole world. Let's just call for the entire world. And that's like his ultimate goal and Topo had some new ideas like this tunnel in Douglas, which according to some estimates allowed the Sinoloa cartel to triple the amount of cocaine. They were moving across the border. So do you think what role did this tunnel play in chop? Oh can becoming Joppa I think it was a big role. Here's Chiaki Skinner. Again, the journalist end ju- shop owner from our Prieto thing it really launched among his career. The Colombians couldn't believe how fast she got the cocaine to Los Angeles, and they kind of jokingly nicknamed him speedy in addition to helping chapel make his name the tunnel created a new kind of notoriety for Douglas Arizona, which had formerly been asleep. Bordertown suddenly it was synonymous. Mous with the biggest drug trafficking story of the early nineties. And there were a lot of questions about how a smuggling operation of that magnitude could have happened without at least a few local collaborators. Which dated June tenth? I couple of graphs of that sure. The specter of a man who called himself flown. Cisco of L Camarena still stocks the homes of the wealthy and the influential here who entertained him in lavish style. Okay. This aftermath of the tunnels discovery Keough. Okay. Got to work. He wrote a series of articles for his old newspaper the Zona Republic chronically Rafael comet in his connections to various prominent people, not just in Mexico. But in Douglas, he was always out of the country club and making the right connections getting another right people here before he got this tunnel under way. I mean, it seems like there were a lot of implications in these articles about. Local officials profiting from this whole scheme, but did anybody in local government ever? Do any time for this or anything like that? No, no, nobody on the Douglas side. There were also allegations about how agents from the customer service may have colluded in the tunnel scheme and while again, no one was ever charged. There was a lot of corruption going on within the agency around this time. Here's Terry Kirk Patrick again, at that time corruption was so rampant that the US government. Started a blue ribbon campaign trying to stamp it out. And we were so busy trying to work the corruption and trying to weed out our own with these inspectors because they were passed the thousand pounds in the trunk Bacar right through the port of entry. It was just a lawless kind of area back in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine. Senior agent in the customer service told me that the tunnel was probably an operation for at least six months, and he said that quote, everyone would have had to know about the passageway for it to be in regular use for that length of time. After the discovery of the tunnel, El Chapo Guzman came up with new ways of getting drugs across the border packed in cans of jalapeno peppers or inside coils of insulated wire. Both Francisco come around and Philly bitcoin, vid bed fled to Mexico. And it took a long time to get them back to the United States come in was eventually extradited in two thousand one and a couple of years later he pled guilty for his role in the Douglas smuggling conspiracy. He received a sentence of ten years in federal prison bureau was extradited in two thousand three and tried in two thousand six he was released from federal prison in September twenty eighteen but that wasn't the end of the tunnels. The Douglas tunnel was like a prototype. Even though it was eventually discovered. It was so officiant an effective during the time. It was an operation that it paid for itself. Many times over it was a successful experiment that. Proved the viability of underground smuggling. And so the tunnels after this one they almost became a nightmare, and it was one tunnel after another tunnel after another tunnel by tone from San Diego to Tijuana. They found is so sophisticated it's being called a super tunnel. That tunnel is over a quarter of a mile long. And nearly seventy feet underground part of it through solid, limestone. Even a phone system. The phones phones still work without specific information about where the tunnels are located or just plain luck there virtually impossible to find Ron Claiborne ABC news on the US most tunnels show up along the Arizona in California borders in places where the ground is soft enough for digging, but not so softly will cave in some of the tunnels are pretty rudimentary. But some like the Douglas tunnel are highly engineered sophisticated projects with elevators and railcars, but total discovered him Baja Mexico last year, included, solar panels to power its ventilation and lighting systems. Legal drugs, actually, come into the country through legal ports of entry. That fact and tunnels are two reasons why Trump's proposed border wall probably wouldn't do much to stop drug trafficking. But the US government still sees tunnels as enough of a problem that they've started tunnel task force groups along the border, the groups exists solely to monitor investigate and prevent tunneling but tunnels are notoriously difficult to detect and they keep showing up. When I was in Douglas, I tried to get into the old tunnel which has been kept open for occasional training sessions by the border patrol. Chiaki Skinner worked his connections got us into the warehouse where the entrances, but the tunnel is dank an on maintaining, and I was seven months pregnant at the time of the visit a city worker took one look at me probably imagined me trying to clamber down the rusty ladder in the dark, and then wouldn't let us in after all. But if we couldn't see the architecture of the drug tunnel than at least, we could see the architecture the drug trade has helped to build across the border. So you see it was a pretty nice neighborhood. Once again, we're driving around in keokuk rattling little VW bug were exploring the part of town where our play at does business people tend to live. It's the neighborhood where as ranch home with the hydraulic pool tables still sits, although that's now been converted into a community center and Keough key points at a house on the corner. It's a nice place with a rod iron fence, the house is made of brick this. This was clean money. This cattle money. This guy's been. A cattle rancher for for years because Chiaki has lived here. For decades. He's picked up a lot of information about how people make their money as we go around the corner. Look at this place up on the right? Look at the columns on the push to my goodness. Money goes. Over the limited the house takes up the entire block. It has enormous white Greco Roman columns and a chandelier dangles over its soaring. Entryway Kyoko says a local Narko lives here. It's one of many extravagant Narko mansions in the area. Chiaki now leads local towards of these places bringing tourists and snowbirds from Arizona and other parts of the southwest down to gawk. Show you what? Bad habits in the United States has built for us down here all this money from drug consumption, the United States, this is how it's been spent down here in these houses. And not just these houses when you stop to think about everything that's funded directly or indirectly by American drug consumption can make your mind spin the money finds its way to the people who drive track or fly the drugs across Mexico to the hitman who battle over cartel territory to the architects and engineers who built the tunnels for smuggling and the mansions for the kingpins and to the bribes that pay off cops politicians and border patrol agents. So that they'll turn their heads. And look the other way as this vast and complex system grinds along. And of course, the money also trickles down into the rest of the economy to the grocery stores and the clothing shops, and the Gus stations even to the local juice shop that sells the narcos there or fifteen smoothies. Ninety nine percent invisible. Was produced this week by our senior editor Delaney hall who finished the story. Just under the wire. I think that's it. 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Le Show For the Week of February 24, 2019

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Le Show For the Week of February 24, 2019

"Beauty. From deep inside. Audio device of choice. Choice. What an interesting concept, ladies, gentlemen. We're not so deeply immersed in carnival here in New Orleans yet that we can. We will ignore the week's news. And nor nor will I. The. The underlying theme there seems to be an underlying theme to this week's news. And I underline because it didn't really gain all that much traction in the major media bender lying theme was adults regard or lack thereof for the young and the vulnerable. We'll get to that. But the the media were were concerned, of course, with the Jesse smollet case if you're not following at he's actor singer on the hit Fox TV series. You can't say those that that phrase a lot hit Fox TV series empire. And a few weeks ago as you if you live in this bubble probably know he filed a report saying that he'd been attacked by two other to two men who yelled, racial and anti gay epithets at him. Sprayed him with a substance that some report said it was bleach and put a noose around his neck. Which was disturbing allegation. Of course. And many people responded to accordingly. This week. The Chicago police announced that he was under a charges. He was arrested at believe. Yes. He was for fabricating a police report. Now when he first made his statement, he received fulsome statements of support from the executive producers of his show, the FOX TV hit empire and the folks at FOX. And I just wanna say whatever happens. I am inspired. And certainly hope that. I will get similarly fulsome support from the good folks at FOX if and when anything bad ever happens to me, or if it doesn't the other story dominating the major media this week. Of course, they can't help themselves. The expectation. Dashed near the end of the week that the mullahs report was gonna come out next week. It's gonna come out. It's going to this just in. It's not gonna come out. Okay. It's gonna come out soon. I think that's easy to predict. It's almost as sure thing as sunrise in the morning. But now you have. Commentators legal pundits sorry about that appearing on the cable news. Bubble. Who are starting to say at least they did this week. Well, you know, if if he was gonna dight if Muller gun indict people for conspiracy. Which is the legal word for collusion. Gee, he sure would have done it before he wraps up. His case. If his case is wrapping up in the next confirms infant. Which leaves us. They say with the question, why did all these people lie? In other words, they're they're suggesting that if they weren't if there wasn't a conspiracy. They had no reason to lie. And I just would take this moment to proffer. And alternative suggestion. Usually people in an organization. Kind of follow the lead of the guy at the top. And when the guy at the top has been lying ever since best sex. I ever had says Marla Maples. That's what do. Hello. Welcome to the show. Syle was. Had no problem. One. Got to stop feeding sue. Quickly. Yes. Yes. Check out the show. Dancing and see and to grow and just win. Some. Shout. Why? New play that punky music today. Game you play that ballgame music too. From New Orleans Louisiana where it's parkas Sunday. Don't worry about. I'm Harry Shera. Can you to this edition of the show analogies and gentlemen? Yeah. You know, we're worried about the bees right or we supposed to be anyway. They're they're not doing too. Well. They make nice living. But you know, what I'm saying? So now comes this. The US government is allowing use of insecticide linked to declines in bees. The use. Occurring onto crops that attract Ps it's a system the insecticide made by our good friends at Dow agro-science's more agro than science is not approved for general use on crops that attract bees because of concerns about its effect on vulnerable populations. Don't you know? Well, that makes sense. But the US Environmental Protection Agency has granted exceptions to that rule that makes. This month, the EPA issued an emergency exemption for the insecticide sell flux sulfoxide floor say with me now Saul fucks floor for the fourth year in a row. That's gotta be good. This time it permits. Farmers to pray to pray and pray Saul FOX floor said with me now on millions of acres of cotton and sorghum. Crops that attract bees across eighteen states. The purpose is to control aphids your spotted aphids and tarnished plant bugs. We don't like bugs here. The filing also includes exemptions for number of other insecticides exceptions are often used when a pest has been found to have gained a resistance to another common option sold under the brand names closer and transform. They need to talk to the guys who think the names for the pharmaceuticals era ahead of the game. Dow note today how so FOX floor. No don't say with me anymore was banned for years ago following a lawsuit brought by beekeepers environmental groups and Honey industry advocates. I bet they have good lunches a federal court voided an earlier government approval citing quote, the precariousness of bee populations evident, even to judge and flawed unlimited data provided by Dow about sell FOX floors effects. The nation of France also suspended the approval of FOX floor after ninety two thousand seventeen court decision citing possible harm to bees. Nah. The french. Dow, I market itself FOX floor as a more be friendly alternative to Nick neonicotinoids. You've heard about those those are the insecticides that chemically resemble nicotine. And have been implicated in colony collapses. Tom com collapses. However, search found fill fly FOX floor functions. Very similarly to Neo nicotinoid 's. And that a kick in the head a paper published in nature in August of last year found that exposure to Saul FOX floor significantly lowered bees ability to reproduce. Well, now, it's just much less fun to be a be exposed colonies had fewer than half the number of offspring as unexposed colonies, it could lead to similar environmental impacts as Neo Knicks. If used on crops at attract bees and the absence of evidence based legislation according to the authors of the paper in nature or the nature and paper EPA had previously cat classified sell FOX floor as very highly toxic to bees the agency. Now describes it as having quote, low residual toxicity to be. Some some thinking they put the thinkin caps. Is that what those hats are after the twenty fifteen court ruling, the E P A approved reapproved the insecticide the next year this time, including it, including a ban on applying it to B's applying it to crops that attract bees until after their bloom period. But the EPA administrator has the power to grant exceptions in emergencies. There's that word again, we're just living in emergency come on get with it. Get your emergency powers. Now this permits the application of the insecticide on crops do attract bees in specific states. All of these have to do, ladies and gentlemen, so simple. Stay out of those states. Can we just? The practice of granting emergency exemptions for pesticides criticized last year by the EPA as inspector general which said deficiencies have existed for nearly a decade in the EP as collection of data on health and environmental effects. We don't have time for data, sir. It's an emergency the center for biological diversity and environmental advocacy group described the use of cell FOX floor quote in a time of global insect decline as quote. Beyond the pale quote. I didn't see any bees in the pale. They still. Oh, all right. That's we just heard about the bees gentlemen. They just pollinate. Our our food, you know, as all. The whereabout now bit of news of and I think just to help the people who can't tell the difference between weather and climate. Going to have a rethink about the name of this segment. I don't don't think that I don't enjoy hearing. That vocalisations on listen to the warm every time, we do news, the warm, but. May may end up being news of climate change before this is all over and it no climate change is shifting the energy in the atmosphere that fuels summertime weather. This is indeed about climate affecting weather, this may lead to stronger thunderstorms. Yeah. And more stagnant conditions for mid latitude regions of the northern hemisphere. Like, your North, America, Europe and your Asia. No, you're Asia Eurasia don't get excited. This is according to a new study from MIT scientists report that rising global temperatures, particularly in the Arctic where they're rising faster than anywhere else. Well on the other hand, they started out colder. Those rising temperatures are redistributing the energy in the atmosphere. More energy is available to fuel thunderstorms and other local convective processes. While less energy is going toward summertime. Extra tropical cyclones. Those are milder larger weather systems that circulate a thaw across thousands of miles. These systems are normally associated with wins and fronts, the generate rain. Keep hearing about those fronts now, you know, extra tropical cyclones ventilate air air pollution, so with weaker extra tropical cyclones in the summer. You're looking at the potential for more poor air quality days in urban areas. Says the author of the study was a grad student MIT. So at all be going to Beijing in the summer. Moving beyond air quality and said, he says you have the potential for more destructive thunderstorms and more stagnant days with perhaps longer-lasting heatwaves. Dog days. The studies being published in the proceedings of the National Academy of sciences. So it's good to know they're proceeding in contrast more violent tropical cyclones such as hurricanes. These extra tropical cyclones are large weather systems that occur poll. Word is a word. You don't hear often on the radio or in your audio divisive choice poll were let's go poll were everybody poll word of the earth tropical zone. That's why they're called extra tropical. These storm systems generate rapid changes in temperature and humidity along the fronts that sweep across large swaths of the United States in the winter. These cyclones can whip up into nor'easters in the summer, they bring everything from general, cloudiness and light showers to heavy gusts thunderstorms, they feed off the atmosphere's horizontal temperature gradient which the difference in average temperatures between the Nord your northern and your southern latitudes. This gradient and the moisture in the atmosphere produces energy in the atmosphere that can fuel whether events the greater the Grady. Between the Arctic and the equator, the stronger, an extra tropical cyclone is likely to be will, of course, Arctic is warming faster than anywhere else on earth. It's number one that in effect shrinks, the atmosphere's horizontal temperature gradient, see easy. News, the warm news the change. I think I'm considering it. I'm having a think. Whatever it is whatever it's called. It's a copyrighted feature of this broadcast. As is. Jackie doesn't. Yes. It does Nike has a new self lacing. Tennis shoe sneaker trainer. You know lacing? No what I'm saying lacing. Really the adapt BB is the name of the shoe, and according to the BBC it's fallen at its first hurdle. Because the Android app, the controls the shoe malfunction. Yes. You need an app to lay Shershukov. I'm not kidding billed as the future of footwear three hundred fifty dollars. A pair the adapt BB launched a week ago. But an update to the Google Android app that allows where's to loosen or tighten the shoe failed to work. Wouldn't you know customers complained that the app only with one shoe? Not at a time ever. The problem. Of course, is that shoes are usually warned humans in a pair. Not a pair of humans. You say shoot can be manually that is to say once a year using two buttons on the side. Hey, a two button shoe, but people are frustrated the Android app fails to work. They'd rather use the app, then the buttons one reviewer wrote the software update had an error now, my right shoe charge or turn on to spend three hundred fifty dollars on a pair of shoes. And not have to work is in Barrasso, not as as spending three hundred fifty dollars on the shoe to begin with, sir. I would suggest. Apple pear with left shoe said another paired with sneakers right after boxing them completely crashed after last update the adapt BB, see, here's how it works. It contains a small motor which pulls the laces inside. You don't wanna use your hands? You don't wanna use your muscles? Don't be moon cow. Use a motor and have it controlled by an app. Get smart Nike claims it is reinvented the shoelace which dates back to thirty five hundred BC before Stonehenge of the pyramids with this shoop. If only Stonehenge had been moved with an app. The rocks would still be in Wales. And wait, there's more. Do you know what Tele dill Don IX is? Now. You could could parse it if you know, you're you're I guess that would be Greek. And maybe a little bit of Latin who knows anyway, it's internet connected. Sexual pleasure product. Sorry. It'd be the bearer of those tidings vibrate. L? I'm not gonna go read these. Smart. Sex toys, though reports wired. You're not gonna believe this. You're gonna find this incredible. They're incredibly vulnerable. Over-exuberant manufacturers who slurp up data security flaws that hackers could exploit tell a Don IX says wired could be a privacy nightmare. So this month. Mozilla the nonprofit group that. Runs the Firefox browser among other things. Issued a special Valentine's Day section privacy. Not included guide this year, featuring romantic guy, gadgets smart beds. And tell the dill dykes. According to Mozilla, you wanna look out for things like whether the product uses encryption automatic security updates strong password requirements and acceptable privacy policy in a way for the company to manage security, vulnerabilities and its products. Those are minimum security standards for connected devices Mozelle tested, eighteen of small fraction. What's out there? Half didn't pass muster not mustered not mustard. Pass the test. Those did only six were Tele Donna experts. I've been there experts about this to guess they've been raising the alarm about Tele dill donning security risks for years, and we've ignored them. I feel guilty. I really I feel bad. Poor delve on security could enable not just an invasion of your most intimate information. But even hypothetically remote controlled assault where an intact takes over the remote app of a sex toy without its users consent. Only. Jeffrey Epstein had right now the only confirmed acts of done by security. Researchers studying the stuff experts wired spoke to believe that the possibility of such attacks is real, and and they could be hard. Even know if wanted occurred. It could just be fun in the internet of things specs space. Tell the dill Donna is one of the biggest threats that exists says the US policy manager the at give advocate advocacy group access now, researchers have demonstrated how easy it is to hack into popular products time, and again, these are being produced by companies that have never connected product of the internet before says the policy researchers research access now most have never had to worry about the pitfalls of big data collection or internet security, the products failed failed hard and Mozilla test. Take the vibrant. Tim O panty BUSTER. Please Mozilla writes this product made only for those who enjoy the thrill of potentially having their smart sex toy hacked. It doesn't even have a privacy policy. A report commissioned by Mozilla concluded that the Vibert Tim O vendor seems to have no regard for security it allows for remote access without consent. There's no encryption and connects via insecure, bluetooth, that's a recurring pain point for internet of things things. The technology has been plagued by poor security from the beginning. What are these guys do for living? These guys who invent internet protocols. What security protocols have been put in place to make bluetooth safer are inadequate or sometimes poorly rolled out. Researchers note that old versions of bluetooth, abandoned because of security risks are often still used even the newest versions, lack robust encryption and flaws. That's let savvy bad actors like, you know, William Shatner within range spy unconnected devices. Tele- dill, Donna, no say you. Don't learn anything by listening to this program later. I don't even I don't want to even hear that. And now. It's news. The godly. Well, you know, the pope had convened day. For a conference on sexual abuse by priests and ignoring of same by bishops and other leaders of the Catholic church at ended today with a very strong statement by the pope and no concrete action being taken. Francis. The talking pope activists in Poland topless tattoo of a prominent solidarity. You're a priest this week amid allegations that he sexually abused minors. No priest. That's a protest against what the protesters that's called a failure. By the church and decided resolve the problem of clergy sex abuse. Video footage showed three men attaching. A rope three men and a rope around the statue of the late months senior, and Rick John Kaczynski in Gdansk. Remember that solidarity started they pulled it down to the ground in the dark, the activists than place children's underwear in one of the statues hands and small white church. Vestment lace vestment worn by altar boys on the statues body to symbolize the suffering of the young people he allegedly molested is pretty striking. Poland. In Poland ninety percent of the population still identifies as Roman Catholic church still enjoy significant authority in public life. The Chicago Tribune that position appears to be changing, however, as secularization grows, along with the developing economy, why that would mean that would suggest the church has a vested interest in people being church leaders have also ended some polls with their close ties to the conservative ruling party, which has been accused of eroding Poland's democratic culture and institutions accused they've done it just like in Hungary. Welcome to the twenty first century police detained the three men the protesters and open into investigation. Into whether they committed the crime of quote, insulting a monument. Polin late is Yemen. You don't investigate? They the priest. You investigate the guys for insulting a monument. It's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. But wait, there's more news. The godly don't think we're through with that. We now shift the focus to our Intini. Why that's where the pope comes from. When investigators swept in and raided the Antonio Provo institute for the deaf in covered. One of the worst cases yet among the global abuse scandals plaguing the church a place. This is a Cording to the Washington Post a place of silent torment where prosecutors say pedophile prayed on the most isolated and submissive children charges pending against thirteen suspect to fourteenth pleaded guilty sexual abuse, including rape and was sentenced to ten years in prison. The case of the alleged ringleader, an octogenarian Italian priest named Nicola Corradi goes before a judge next month. Church officials up to an including Francis were warned repeatedly and directly about a group of alleged predators that included Corradi. They took no apparent action against him. Few details here, let his German just in case, you're not eating the deaf students tended to come from poor families that fervently believed in the sanctity of the church. Prosecutors say the children were fondled raped sometimes tied up in one instance. Forced wear diaper tied the bleeding all the while. They're limited ability to communicate complicated, their ability to tell others what was happening students at the school were attacked if they used sign language one of the few hand gestures used by the priests victim say was the index finger to lips. Demand for silence. So the chief prosecutor in the case they were the perfect victims. And yet they may not have been the first caller ID now eighty three and under house arrest. It's under Vesta Gatien for sexual crimes at a sister school in Argentina where he worked from nineteen seventy to nineteen ninety four I guess that's where he learned his craft and alumni have a related school in Italy where he served earlier than fight him as being among among the number of pre suit carried out systematic abuse over five decades, the schools were all founded and staffed by priests from the company of Mary for the education of the deaf. It's a small congregation that answers to the Vatican. But there are no questions the victims efforts to sound the alarm to church. Authorities began in two thousand eight and included mailing list of accused priests Francis five years ago and physically handing in the list a year later. But it was only Argentine law enforcement that coat off Karate's access to children when it shut down the school. They say the church has not fully cooperated with their investigation. It's not just karate, ladies and gentlemen, some years ago, a priest who had died in Milwaukee was revealed post. Death do have molested at least two hundred deaf boys and same period of time priests in Italy and England also revealed to have molested deaf, boys. Wanna do death? In the next room. Now, they're in the closet. Between me and the broom. The half dozen deaf bowl. Nice little crowd. Can be quiet. Can be loud. Foreign twenty death bone. Take me all day. The time to. Eight to pray. You become. Don't today. Might be a jink mind briefly pollens, but how can resist? The. Have death. God steam. Could be. Could be the team. Bhalla one for each key. On the piano of my longing. Play hushed Lou. Hundred death ball is. A few thousand the moon in. And all night. Common. Mahad string. Me too. Just can't get enough. The. Does polling. Each day. Three hundred sixty five. That would be. How many? Actually been. Why? The head. Death, boating. Only one man. All the time. It's back to. Do the two. Can't do the Goeman. Got him in a shed with a closet full move. Let to four those. On. The. From New Orleans. This is the show and a moment to talk about micro-plastics just one word micro-plastics an investigation by fauna and flora international do. As seal pups lying next to potentially toxic micro-plastics on the beaches of Norfolk in Great Britain, just north of Suffolk Britain experienced a record winner for seal pup births. That's the good news. But some of their most important breeding grounds are polluted by so-called. Here's the word you maybe I heard last week on this broadcast nurdles. Nurdles the findings came on the eve of the great global National Hunt, which is encouraging members of the public. Scour beaches across the world for these polluting pellets. More than three thousand seal pups were born at Blakely, natural national nature reserve Norfolk this winter a record two thousand verts recorded at nearby Horsea. Not horse birth. It's not called Sealy. I it's too confusing. But a recent field trip by staff of flora and fauna in a national revealed hundreds of nurdles littering beaches near some of the pups favorite spots. Those are special areas of conservation under the European habitats directive the statute and this protective status as clearly failed to keep them safe from plastic pollution nurdles case, you don't know tiny plastic pellets produce melted together by the plastics industry to create new plastic products split and discarded by companies and industrial quantities. An estimated fifty three billion nurdles and up in UK sees every year, and that's just around the UK seals are known to ingest micro-plastics, most probably as a result of eating prey that is itself consumed them scientific studies also suggest that micro-plastics such nurdles may transport chemical contaminants into the bodies of the marine animals that eat them this from phys dot org. The finding shortly preceded they noodle hunt. Last year search of two hundred seventy nine sites in the UK found nurdles on seventy three percent of them. One of the most polluted locations at cove in Cornwall where more than four hundred thousand plastic pellets found maybe they were born there. We don't know you can't prove that didn't. So now, ladies but back to the theme of this week's news adults regard. For the young and the vulnerable. Probably the most undercover d- story, and it's easy to figure out. Why stories that get a lot of traction, especially on cable news are those that fit in with the narrative of one or the other two major political parties this one doesn't. Federal prosecutors under former Miami US attorney Alex cost broke the law when they conceal the plea agreement for more than thirty underage female victims who had been sexually abused by a New York hedge fund manager Jeffrey Epstein that was what a federal judge ruled late this week. The judge Kenneth Mara stopped short of overturning the plea deal. He gave federal prosecutors fifteen days to confer with Epstein victims and their attorneys to come up with a settlement the victims didn't seek money damages as part of the suit there now in their late twenties thirties, but they were lot younger when they were abused by Jeffrey Epstein. They demanded it's not clear whether they can demand the government prosecute him. Others are calling on the Justice department. Take a new look at the case the case was fairly well known among those who cared. Epstein had a private island in believe the US Virgin Islands and a. I think at one time what he bragged was the largest privately owned residence in Manhattan. And he didn't do this in Manhattan. I don't think but he certainly did it on the on the private island. He invited his celebrity friends hooting, a member of the British Royal family, Alan Dershowitz. Bill Clinton, Donald Trump. And he flew them down to his private island. On a plane, which was nicknamed by those who frequented it. The low Lita express. The government aligned themselves with Epstein working against his victims for eleven years said. An attorney from one of the victims some of the victims Kosta is news worthy. Because he's now the secretary of labor in the Trump administration. The. Plea deal was first revealed by the Miami Herald in a three part series called perversion of Justice. Epstein lured scores of teenage girls from troubled homes. Some as young as thirteen is part of cult like scheme to sexually abuse them by offering the money to give him a Sasha's and promising some of them he would send them to college or help them find careers. Those world leaders scientists and academics were friends with Epstein. Kosta allowed Epstein to plead guilty in state court to prostitution charges. He served just thirteen months in county jail. And most of that time he was on six day out of seven days a week work release. No comment. From anybody yet? Except me. Used to hitch. Used to getting. Was child's pleaded pay. Two. Thank. Two. So shit. To good. Became part of my game. Did. There's in return in vite, you to guess. Bank trips aboard the leader expressly leader express. Express. This you could say. Want? Parts of me one do to. Not good. Geoffrey hill. My foundation. That only earned him. Some smiles bring in relief. Right down to sue care, Rabih and. So hung out on his own island. Leave in my stress. Landon my gravitas to the low lead express leader express. The leader express. Show the biggest hits ever in BC. Jeff. We're just pals. At the top of the tree. Hey. Tis women. He likes them. With no shortage of. Joe is island became. My. Way David swing right on the lead express express. Express, right. Oh, yes. What about scenes attorneys was Kenneth Starr, I screwed at bay. I'm a lawyer. Keep in the fast. Go into the fire. Once tried to bring bailed out. How I'm saving is. And helping Don retained. His touch of class. Jeff on some show called work release. Almost no jail for this mass. Never once flew aboard. The loan express alone later express. The low Linda express. It's nuts zoo. Still the island. And the upper east side. Hang with the rules and to liberal Golo. They don't want to be photo graft around the MU. Still got my looks. Driss to in Bris. Silver. Express screws. Spruce? We all have a grocery. Most of us are not judges. When it comes to chew. More is Liz, I never had that really. So bad though. You ever? About. The spread. Now, ladies and gentlemen, the apologies. The week. Guti of. I think apologize for really a federal judge band Roger stone from speaking publicly about his case this week after hauling back to court for answering but an Instagram post he posted attacking her bliss ity cannot subside if it's the defendant, that's fanning the flames the judger Amy Berman Jackson. Clear that another violation of the gag order would mean jail for Roger stone before issuing a ruling. Couldn't keep a story straight on the stand. Said his apology rang hollow. I am hurtful sorry for my own stupidity. I am kicking myself not as much as my wife is kicking me stone told the court he called the Instagram post which had a picture of the judge next to crosshairs, quote, a momentary lapse of judgement before saying the photo was selected by someone who works for him which made it was about five or six people. Doesn't know who works all. He also said he didn't think they were crosshairs. Side from that judge USA today's editor and chief Nicole Carroll apologized after a sweeping investigation by papers co owned with USA today by Gannett revealed. It was a survey of yearbooks. Surfacing all these black face photos. Well, that survey revealed to yourself it published a photo depicting people in black face while editor of the yearbook at era. Arizona State University way back in nineteen eighty nine. If ending photo for which Cole Carol editor chief of USA today was responsible was unearthed by the Zona Republic. It didn't publish the image. Carol said she was shocked by the discovery. She had no memory that photo. Today's fifty one year old me, of course, understands in his crushed. By this mistake. I want to apologize publicly journalists we must hold ourselves accountable as we do others, and it is important to call myself out. She said for this poor judgment. Didn't remember who? Now, Jesse smell apologize of the cast and crew of empire for any barriers. The recent franca may have caused but he maintained he was innocent. The the person at the meeting said they were shocked into made this stuck to a story of innocence. He paraphrase what was in his attorney statement blaming the legal system in the media for his woes. Fort Bragg, North Carolina leaders are apologizing for issues such as mold lead paint and leaks found in housing on the sprawling army post. This follows as story last week. I didn't share with you that nationwide housing for did. I now I can't even remember my show. That's marissa. I apologize for that military housing in all four services across the country is in poor shape and the military complain. They don't have the funds to fix it. While this is Fort Bragg Fayetteville. Observer reports the private company contracted to manage for brags housing. What a good idea that is also apologize during it to our town hall meeting. Major General James Menzies apologize for not advocating for sif safe and clean housing or sif and Klein housing. He's commander of the eighty second airborne. Army officials in congress are looking into housing issues on posts nationwide. But don't worry. It's not an emergency. A Republican lawmaker for Kansas has apologized and removed his name from a piece of highly contentious anti ELD be GT cue legislating after his daughter wrote an open letter publicly shaming for sponsoring it. Crystal. Hi, Linda daughter state Representative Ron Highland. Republican wrote the open letter to for father and Facebook this week asking him why he would quote openly attempted policy that elevates hate and hurts my family or friends unquote, soon after legislator admitted that endorsing the Bill was a mistake. Bill. I should not have signed onto cosponsor contains hateful language, which I do not condone is against our Lord's command to love our neighbors. I've asked for my name to be removed from Bill the process for doing. So is in motion. And he later apologized. I will basketball play by play announcer. Gary dolphin has been suspended through the end of the season after referring to player on the opposing team as King Kong during a recent radio broadcast. It was probably also heard on the on your audio device of choice. Gary dolphin was called Isla football and men's basketball games. Ninety nine is remarked that for Nando Bruno Fernando from the university of Maryland Terrapins was King Kong the of the game number twenty four Terrapins beat the number twenty one Hawkeyes sixty six sixty five and I was at during the broadcast. I use a comparison when trying to describe a talented Maryland basketball player. Dolphins said in a statement released by the university's multi media rights manager. There's a layer of protection. You guys you guys handle this? We'll be over here studying planning some Ivy during the broadcast. Oh, yeah. In no way. Did I intend to fend or disparage the player, I take full responsibility for inappropriate word choice offers zero politics him and anyone else who was offended. I wish the I will Hawkeye players coaches and fans all the very best as they headed a final stretch of the season. What uses an opportunity to grow as a person? Learn more about unconscious bias. They do the halftime show. From Gary dolphin. There is a place in Maryland called the institute, Maryland institute, college of art. There having an art exhibit right now. And there's a shocking image. They're corny the Baltimore Sun a racist. Caricature of a black employees the institute from the early nineteen hundreds which ran in the schools own yearbook. This is part of a student exhibit at the Maryland institute. And it brought an apology from the school's president Samuel Hoi Hoi MCA. I see as an institution represented by its president vice president and board of trustees apologizes for its historical denial of access to talented students for no other reason than the color of this and for the hardships to those who word mid but not supported for their success said Hoy, he was moved to apologize for the policy after his visit to the exhibit by senior Pataki's student. There was a an event along with that remembering would be pupil. Neighbor. Clark who apply applied to the school in eighteen ninety six but was barred from attending because he was black policy the school maintained until the nineteen fifties. It's still black history month an elementary school. In northern Virginia is apologizing for trivializing slavery after students played a game in a physical education class required them to simulate moving through the underground railroad part of black history month students at elementary school Madison trust we're giving a lecture about the underground railroad. They were then divided into groups of six and responsible for overcoming a physical obstacles such as moving through plastic hoops without knocking them over said a spokesman for the school district. It trivializes something that's important. He said there was an error made here. Slavery is not a game the game. A game was supposed to teach. Teamwork communication and cooperation according to the school system, I extend my sincerest apology to our students and school community said the principal David Stewart. This is contradictory to our overall goals of empathy affirmation, and creating a culturally responsive learning environment for all. School system cited privacy laws in declining to say whether anyone involved faced discipline. This happened at a time when school district is working to improve the experience of students of color in the classroom. Step backward. Fox News host Tucker Carlson responded this week to a now viral video of an interview in which he swore desk. Calling him a guest calling him a moron and a tiny brain, he apologized for his USA foul language at the same time. He defended his spirited reaction is quote entirely accurate. I did what I try hard never to do on the show. And I was rude. He said there's profanity, and I apologize for that on the other hand, it was genuinely heartfelt I meant it with total sincerity. This was a Dutch historian who came on. The show. To. Denounce the global elite at Davos for failing to pay taxes and then veered into a discussion of billionaires running Fox News channel. I don't know who that would bite Verizon began an Email apologizing to customers with oops that wasn't supposed to happen. After the Pennsylvania Torney general sued the communications giant for allegedly failing to deliver on marketing promises. Lawsuit filed against the company claiming customers weren't able to obtain promised Amazon prime memberships and echo devices catcher blessings of you didn't get an echo. If you don't believe me. Aska Amazon for the data. And conservative commentator. Eric Erickson tweeted newsrooms across New York DC. Woo glad we can focus on the coast guard nut and stop talking about small at this is the coast guardsmen who mass weapons had a list of people at CNN, and in the Democratic Party was planning to kill then he said he deleted this tweet wasn't my intention to down player. Dismiss this story. I have friends who were targeted by the guy. I apologize to those fended. So all you have to do to get an apology. 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4.17.19 Best and cheapest interior paint; Law enforcement spoofing; Why timeshares are so bad

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4.17.19 Best and cheapest interior paint; Law enforcement spoofing; Why timeshares are so bad

"Right Abby here on the Clark Howard show where it's about you. And that wallet. Don't you to learn ideas me so you can keep more of what you make our web addresses, Clark dot com is our main website you like deals checkout. Clark deal stock com coming up in just a few minutes. I got a new warning for you in today's car courageous moment. The latest hot scam ripping people off and coming up yet later the time share business. Is up to its old tricks. You gotta know I'm gonna tell you what you need to look out for. And I gotta tell you why I consider timeshares to be a defective product. So speaking of defective products. Lot of times. I'm not sure if it's the product is defective or us. We decide we're going to paint our living room. We're gonna paint a bedroom in our house. So we're gonna pay a family room or whatever. And we decide we're not gonna hire a painter. We're just gonna do this ourselves because most of the cost of painting is labor. So you go to wherever the paint store. The hardware store the big box store, and you get those little paint samples, and you hold him up against the wall. And you decide this is the color. We're gonna paint. And then what happens? Well, you think that's the one you go buy that paint? You start painting it, and you realize that color may have looked fine on that little teeny postage-stamp sample thing you looked at. But it looks awful once it's painted on the wall. And if it's a strong enough color, you then have to paint a new primer coat over it. And then start over who's been in that movie before. So let me tell you how we handle that. We have several little sample cans mixed and the room. We're gonna paint we paint big swaths of it. And we did it my wife, and I painted our daughter's room before two years for she went off to college. We recently painted our son's room. And we did those ourselves not sure we did the greatest job, but we did those ourselves. So in this this I owed, my wife, she goes, and she buys the three colors, and she did three colors in each room, three color. She thought she wanted to do that were the samples that she liked and we painted the three on the wall. And then let them dry and then the next day we're able to see which one was actually the best. Now, there is a new service. Where you can order paint online. And they will send you a big. Strip of it. So you can actually tape it up to the wall step back and see how it actually looks. And Joel how many will they send you? Yeah. That's a good question. I think they charge a couple of bucks for each one. So they're not free samples you have a we're not doing free either those little cans, that's a good point. Yeah. So I think they'll send you as many as you want for two bucks a piece, and what's the name of the service? Claire CLA are either a few different kind of newfangled? Companies that will ship paint to your door, they'll ship the swatch, and then based on that, whichever one you decide works best for your room. They'll you can buy pain online now too. Which is incredible. Oh by paint online. Seems like the shipping would be expensive at seems like that would be a lot of money. I bet that would be more expensive than just lugging paint home yourself. So you are you're like us. You do some of this painting yourself. Yeah. So I just recently bought paint. And I realized after checking consumer reports I hadn't check into reports for paint for some reason, and they've got paint ratings and the second highest rated paint on their list is only twenty eight bucks a gallon. So yeah, that's what I went with. And it worked excellently in a recent interior painting job. I did I'm looking at the consumer reports thing there are some paints. They absolutely hate. I mean, some of these scores for paint put them below how they rate cable companies, you got to really be putting out a bad cana- paint do lower in rating than cable companies get and then others, absolutely. Great. So they're three favorites when place and show in that how they say it in horse racing all from a company called bear be HR. And you did one of the bears. The I did the did you do that? Based on reading consumer reports, you just back into picking one consumer report based on the ratings and it worked out well for me. So they rate this one bear premium plus that they sell as a Home Depot exclusive. It is. Yeah. Twenty eight bucks retail can. And it went on every category that they rate a pain. And so that that's not the only paints they liked but the one of the bears. They liked is like three times that price. Yeah. And it's funny actually the cheapest bear the the premium plus is is rated better than the premium. Plus. Ultra which costs more money. So that saved me extra money. Just right there. You're smiling because you're so cheap. How much how much painting will you do because see if we have a big job in our house. We hire a painter. Yes. So it depends on how much time I have on my hands. And if I've got a little bit extra time, I'm willing to do the painting. And I think at least in the beginning as someone who wants to be a landlord yet to be willing to try it. But I end up hiring more of an out than I used to. That's for sure. See now that you've got five doors, the affluence is creepy and on you, Joel. Your first rental property. You did everything yourself including going and buying toilets and learning how to do basic plumbing and putting in new plumbing fixtures and all that. And now you just pick up the phone and call people. Well, once I was flu ends. Once my kids get older, I'm gonna bring them on the job with me. So then we can do it together child labor. Todd's with us on the Clark Howard show. Hi, todd. Hey clark. How're you doing? Great. Thank you. So you have a super athlete your household. Tell me about that. Yeah. Bombing is sixteen years old. She is made it onto the US. We style tile seen as the whitewater kayak came as a junior woman athlete, and this is our second time on the team. She got to go there couple of years ago and compete in Argentina and this summer she's gonna go compete in sort Spain. So wait your daughter is the best in her sport at her age in the United States, one of the very very very best. Because how many kids her age make the team they so they divide into groups senior women junior women senior and junior van and the junior women. They took three three women or three junior women to go on symbols. You gotta be so proud of her. It's awesome. It's great love it. Now. Did she pick up this sport? Because it's you're a kayaker or how did she end up doing whitewater kayaking? She picked it up through me, I paddled, and then she started paddling with me. And I put on her I on the on the whitewater. They haven't been calm the whole or a wave. It's a feature and you go to that feature you stay right there and you do tricks feature. So you do somersaults in the air, which we call loop and all sorts of different tricks, and she took to it like these hunting and she's far surpassed with the play boating side of it. That's for sure. Well, bad is really neat. So does the federation or whatever pay for her traveled Argentina into Europe? Or do you have to pay? No, we we. Full Faulk it. It's it's part of the deal. It's just it's it's honor to compete in the US. And so you just have to make those sacrifices. So we'll come out of pocket for the for the trip to sort Spain on spec gets to the heart of the question is, you know, you get you have pricing all over the place, and it's looking right around fourteen to fifteen hundred dollars for direct flight twelve hundred four one stop over somewhere. And you know, we're sitting here smoking our heads. You win is the right time to purchase for trip. That's in the latter part of June through the first week of July. Are you're really coming up on the key moment. But it's where you depart from that is the key to saving money to Europe, Paul. And so where in what's the closest big airport in Spain to where she's going Barsha Lona for Celona or Barcelona? So you pick the most popular spot in Spain in the summer, but the thing with Barscelona Madrid you can very easily get from Madrid Barcelona. So if you found a much cheaper fair to Madrid with a high speed train, your they're like so fast. It's like a blank, but the other thing is that for fares. Barscelona you're gonna find that the prices are much more competitive for you. If you look out of always New York as the first place you check fares. And then I'd also check Washington Boston and Chicago. Now, the reason I always talk about doing this. And I'd like you to go to like Google dot com slash flights. And look at the fares from those cities versus wherever you live because there are certain places in the country that have become very competitive for fares to Europe while at the same time other places in the country have remained pretty expensive. So that if he went to a more southern airport that when we went to Argentina, we got a better flight out of Miami or Orlando. Yeah. Out of Miami. We would get a foot our flight Argentina was much more reduced and I did find that. If I flew out of Miami says this that we were getting a bit rate, and if you flew came back on weekday as opposed to a Sunday, if he came back on a Wednesday on a Sunday almost patterns, you'll see all those patterns Todd if you look at Google dot com slash flights. So if you if you treat it like a puzzle and you put in different departure points to Barcelona from the United States at since it's so cheap to fly to different places in the United States. Now, you know, you're still going to save a fortune, even when you add in the cost from your home city to one of the departure points. With Google flights. When you find that that fair that really looks like the right one then look at the calendar, and they'll show you the price day by day. Oh, so it really is great, and you should be able to cut the cost of the fair from the US to Spain half of what you're seeing from your home to Parch your point. And then you have to add in the cost of getting to that other departure point and give yourself plenty of time for the flight over. So you don't plan to fly to that departure say let's say is New York's JFK don't plan to get to New York. Just a couple hours before even go the night before just to be sure you're not going to miss that flight over the water. If you don't know your numbers, you don't know your business. But the problem growing businesses have that keeps them from knowing their numbers is there hodgepodge of business systems. They have one system for. Accounting, another for sales, another for inventory, and so on it's just a big inefficient mess taking up too much time, and too many resources and that hurts the bottom line introducing net suite by oracle the business management software that handles every aspect of your business in an easy to use cloud platform, giving you the visibility and control you need to grow with net. Sweet you save time money and unneeded headaches by managing sales, finance and accounting orders, and HR instantly right from your desktop or phone. That's why nets wheat is the world's number one cloud business system and right now net suite is offering valuable insights with a free guide, seven key strategies to grow your profits at net sweet dot com slash saving. That's nets. We dot com slash saving to download your free guide, seven key strategies to grow your profits net sweet dot com slash saving. Tha. Days. Clark -rageous moment is about the dangers of spoofing. Do you know what spoofing is? Ridges? Clark Regis moment. Spoofing is an ability that criminals have now to make caller ID on your cell phone say anything and that has been at the heart of the IRS scams in the social security scams. Where in your caller ID? It will say that you have a call coming from the IRS, and it will show a number that is an actual real. I are s- number or social security same thing. And so you're thinking well, call from the IRS at probably need to answer that. Well, let me let me give you the facts the calls not coming from the IRS calls coming from a crook. It's almost never unless you're actively engaged in an ongoing conversation with the IRS. They're not calling. You no matter what the crook says on the phone will now speaking of crooks. The latest scam that you need to be aware of with spoofing is where the call appears to be coming from law enforcement could be the FBI could be a local sheriff's department could be a local police department. And you're like, oh, why is the share of calling my number? And they know what share of number caller ID to pop up for the area code that your phone is at and they're calling and so you're thinking, wow. I better answer. This what what could be going on could somebody have been in Iraq, which the deal and the answer? And then someone impersonating the please share of a DA whatever will tell you a big fat lie. That a warrant has been issued for your arrest. Now, let me tell you that an attention getter when somebody says a warrant has been issued for your arrest. And there are many reasons why legitimately even if you're a while abiding citizen case, a mistaken identity a criminal giving false ideas. If there you there are legitimate ways that someone who is not committing a crime ends up coming into the crosshairs of law enforcement. But that's not what I'm talking about. Here. I'm talking about where the crooks call you pretending. They're from the police the sheriff, the DA, the FBI, whatever. And you're in trouble. You're about to be arrested, and you can pay the fine you owe right now. Now, all kinds of words should be coming up in your head. Right. When that happens like think of this. If you ever got that Cole. It's your money blowing. Smithereens. Be polite, but be clear, you're not paying anybody over the phone, and then hang up from them. Call the local share of DA police department whatever and you'll find out is just a scam. And the other guy should be who's in trouble with the law. This episode is brought to you by GS K. No, two cancers are the same. That's why GS K R oncology. Scientists are working on personalized treatments. One way we design these new medicines is by harnessing patient's own immune system to target and destroy tumors. And by creating new combinations of medicines. That work better together, we hope to transform cancer treatment for patients in the future. I'm heartbroken timeshares are apparently roaring back. You're listening to the Clark Howard show where it's about you learning ways to save more and spend less and not get ripped off. We're gonna talk about that in a second, by the way. If you have a question for me, go to Clark dot com slash ask. I hate timeshares. I hate them. I don't care how much you love your week of timeshare. You bought? I don't care how much you love the place, you go to I don't care if you have three timeshares, and they're all working out for you timeshares are defective product because you're taking one piece of real estate and selling it and having the administrative and sales costs for it fifty or fifty one times has sold for everyone of those weeks. Let me tell you what happens is the commissions the promotion the advertising all that is what you're paying for the intrinsic value is virtually zero. That's why when you look at people trying to unload a time share they are willing to pay you to take their time share. They're willing to give you their time share that makes them defective. But what infuriates me of the crew? Rooks, the Zona Republic. Did a phenomenal job writing up. How people get ripped off in timeshares and wrote a profile about a ninety year old couple. They got hoodwinked by a crummy timeshare crook that the timeshare development sold a ninety year old couple a one hundred fifty thousand Dollar Time share with nineteen thousand dollars in annual fees. The couple. Has used timeshares and their younger days. And thought that they had cancelled as required once they realize they shouldn't have bought this one hundred fifty thousand dollar timeshare, but now they're being harassed by collectors and all the rest. The timeshare salesperson would not let them keep the documents. They signed did not mention any of the fees and they cancelled as required, but now are still being hands hassle by the timeshare up Reiter. Now, they then com county things when they were still getting hassled by the timeshare developer, even they cancelled by certified mail as required in the time period. Desperate. They then went to one of those companies that advertise is all over the place heavily on radio. I should mention as well. And say they're going to get you out of your timeshare. You just gotta pay money to get you out. So then. They pay them ten grand to get them out of the hundred and fifty thousand Dollar Time share. Which they don't do. And then they can't get their money back from them. Either. Now, this may sound like an extreme case to you. But. And I want to congratulate the author Rebecca Sanders the Republic who Doug so deeply and wrote such a thorough guide to all the ways. Timeshare sales promotion group will rip you off chichi. We'll steal your money. Not the words Rebecca us because she's a journalist and wrote very carefully all the warnings. But I want you to think about this buying something that they refer to as investment, why is an investment that has value zero, but you pay real money for and you're obligated to pay them in perpetuity, meaning forever for whatever fees. They decide you have to pay them each year. And you can't just walk away. Timeshares are a plague on your prosperity. I don't care what promises they make. I don't care. What the salesperson tells you they will lie through their teeth and the laws clear, it doesn't matter. How much that timeshare salesperson lies to you here? She can tell you every last lie. They want to the only thing the courts care about is what did you sign your name to and in many states the timeshare selling law will require there'd be a disclosure? There says you cannot rely on any verbal promises or assurances made to you that the only thing that matters is what you signed your name too. We got a solicitation. Just this past weekend. I guess it was it was from a very prominent company offering us a chance for a five day four night trip at a luxury resort. For a cost that was teensy tiny. And all we had to do was attended two hour presentation on timeshares. And I have not thrown it away. Because I want to go here the pitch I've done this for TV before I've done undercover where I've gone to timeshare presentations, and I have never seen a timeshare presentation that I felt was honest and above board. I should go do this one because of the major name attached to it. But. Please take this to heart. No that these people have no, conscience and will destroy your finances, and they will not care. If you ever wanna time-share pick one up for free or have someone pay you to take over? There's think about that. If somebody has something they wanna get rid of so badly. They'll pay you thousands of dollars just to take it from them. What does that tell you the real value of that thing is less van nothing? Jesse joins us on the Clark Howard show. Hi, Jesse high caloric gray show as always thank you. Jessie clark. I've got quick question for you. I've got a raw at the naval credit union. Thank you for your service. How many navy years? Did you have? Well, I've never been in the navy. I work at the navy, but I am a full marine. So I had three years Marine Corps. And I worked at a navy for thirty four years, and I'm retired now. Well, thank you for all your service star country, and your bravery as marine. Oh, you'll welcome Clark. I've got a I've got a real right now and sitting in the credit union, and I don't even know if I should be in rox right now, but I'm sixty seven years all retired. And I'd like to shift that Roth into some kind of a for example, vanguard account or something like that. But I'm having problems navigating to that process, and I don't know which way to go, okay. So are you going to need the money at any point in your life? I don't think I'll be needing anytime soon. I mean, I've haven't in unity, and I have a per se plan, which I can't touch into them seventy and a half pretty good. You're just required to touch it. When you're seventy right. What do you live on now to provide for your life? Do you have a pension of some kind? Yes, I have an annuity that comes in monthly. Okay. So actually a pension from when you work for the navy. Yes. So what percent of your living costs is that cover? It covers one hundred percent, really. That's what I've been living off. So you're good. So what I'm going to suggest is that left Wednesday that you hope someday to inherit from you. So you've got a couple of ways you can play this. It sounds like you may not ever need this money. Ever. Yes, I agree. So if you're never going to need the money, you can withdraw from the Roth at your age tax penalty, free, right? And you could actually give up to fifteen thousand dollars of it to someone who would inherit that. From you someday? If they could really use the money better now than later. I mean, that's flexible thing you have. And so if you had kids and you wanted to give them some money, you could give them each fifteen thousand each ear see withdraw. I don't know. How many how many people are there that you might want to? Well, I have three grown kids already. They're they're on their own doing pretty well. They don't need it. Now. Now, what do they need to know that yet? All right. So what you could do d- have grandkids. So you think might yes. Off to college someday. Oh, yeah. Hopefully, yes. So then in alternative is you could pull the money out and put it into what are known as five twenty nine plans for your grandkids where it would defray we'd grow tax free for kids college, and then be spent tax free on college. Okay. That or you could just leave the money in a Roth. But since you likely aren't going to need the money, right? I would like for you instead of having it as much as I love navy federal I would like to have the money invested. That's what I like to do. But I'm putting it about a month cell working. No. I mean, this is my digital that. I that. I can't you can't put more in the Roth. If you're not working, you can only contribute to a Roth when you have earned income. Well, I usually transfer from my money market into my Roth do that the IRS will will make you pull that money out. Oh, okay. So let's you wanna go get a part time job. So you can contribute to the raw, you know that. Anymore? Then you do need to reverse your contributions. So now we've gotten into something pretty technical here. So question I have for you Jesse. Do you have someone who helps you with your tax prep? Yes. I do. Right. I need you to call the person who helps you with tax preparation and tell them you made what are known as excess contributions to a Roth. Okay, and talk through with them. How you're going to unwind that all right? It's probably something that will involve very minor paperwork, but you need to do that. All right. And then then that opens up a whole new conversation what best to do with the money that will have to be for another time. But the first thing is you got to undo that Roth that you've got for any contribution made sense after you finished working Dave is with us on the car coward show. Hello, dave. Hey clark. How you doing? Great. Thank you. How about you? I'm doing great. I'm really thankful that you're able to take my call, and he'll be with these questions that I have some looking forward to the conversation. I'm ready. All right. Great. Well, I started to look into doing. So like this show opportunities or income at me job and one of them involved funny enough dog walking. And if you think about think about it there's there is an application. Out there, which is similar to the lift of dog walking mashing walkers with dogs that need to be walked. Yeah. With that familiar with great. So it it gets a lot of good reviews as far as that application goes on in the process of setting that up. There was a payment system and the payment system that it uses is something I've never heard of a previously. And of course, whenever unit said something like this up, you have to go and putting all of your information that required for tax purposes. And I just didn't feel comfortable doing it. Now, they're paying you assume they're paying you ten ninety nine that. Yes. Okay. So there are several of these now that are tied in with the gig economy. Go ahead. I'm jump out on a ledge name who it is that they use at this dog walking service. That's called payable. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Payable is a mainstream. I mean, that's legit. And you do things like you register almost like you would with with a regular employer. You know, you gotta give your social and do you have to give a copy of your driver's license or anything like that? That's a good question. I didn't complete that part of the set. I kinda stopped at that point far any of these go ahead as far as with the main application, they do very thorough verification of you like really detailed. And I know I had it provide information like that to the main application to be able to walk the dog. So you got to save off her. But, but I don't remember, you know, with payable that was needed or not. Yeah. I don't I don't know. What information specifically they'll give it was social security like hold up. I gonna call. So yeah, go ahead with the process. It is legit. It's kind of like using a payroll service, except it's for nine employees. And it it's how everybody keeps track of things as perfectly above board. And I would feel comfortable giving the information there, and I hope people love you as a dog Walker Angie's with us on the Clark Howard show, and Angie you want to talk about a fitness app. We've talked about before on the show is that right? Yes. I do. What is it? Well, am I allowed to say the name of your okay? Well, it's the sweat coin app via have you tried it yet? I have not because I didn't want to download it and have it in my phone watching. My every move until I cleared it with you. So I'm like the the seal of approval for downloading this at well. I was just a little suspicious since it'll be running on my phone, and I the reviews seemed they were all favorable. But I'm wondering if they're all favorable, but but coin is really a great thing because encourages you to get out there and exercise and be fit, and they they actually something that has been shown off into work. They actually pay you different ways to meet your goals. I love it. Here's anyway, I can encourage people to exercise. I'm all about Angie, and there's no scam to this. Okay. Well, that's good news. I won't give it a try, and it's good for androids and iphones. Okay. And and let me know how your. Doing after a few months. I don't want you. What's on TV use since you've used the app? Do you have to keep your phone on your person like on your body every for every move or how does it track your moves? If you don't have say a smart watch. To have your device with you in order to track you, and so so it's okay to take it out with you on a Walker, but say, you know, I work in an office. So if I get up and walk up and down the hallway. You really have to be outside to get the credit. So I have not I have not actually used it myself because I'm an obsessive exercise or anyway, I don't need the app to beat me over the head. Right. But I really love it as a way to motivate people. And it does seem to be completely legit. I remember when I first talked about it when it came out. I was like it looks like this would be a great thing. Now, I don't think there's any problems with stood the test to time to be the real deal. You're listening to the Clark Howard show. Thanks for joining us today. The Clark Howard show is produced by Kim droves. Joel LARs guard, Debra Reese, and Jim Ayers and remember twenty four hours a day where there to serve you at Clark dot com and Clark deals dot com.

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Scandal 14: The Keating Five

Political Scandals

46:00 min | 6 months ago

Scandal 14: The Keating Five

"In the year leading up to the twenty twenty election, we're counting down the biggest scandals in American political history. This is number fourteen, the Keating five. John McCain didn't want to be here. Here, being April nineteen eighty-seven in the office of fellow Arizona Senator Dennis Deconcini. Also. In attendance were senators, Alan Cranston of California John Glenn of Ohio and Donald Riegle of Michigan. They, all convene to convince federal regulators that they should back off an investigation of one special constituent. What American citizen can call himself constituent to? No less than five senators from four different states. That would be millionaire businessman. Charles Keating head of the American Continental Corporation. One of the South West's biggest employers Keating had spent good money in support of these five senators more than one point three, million dollars in political contributions over the past few years and like any man who wants what he paid for when he asked them to into seed in a federal investigation, he expected them to act. McCain tried to soft Salvi. Obvious purpose of the meeting intimidation. His fellow senators were less tactful. They told regulators flat out to get off their backs. That's when they were informed that this wasn't some minor regulatory issue. The board was referring criminal charges to the Department of Justice. The senior most regulator in the room emphasized, I can't tell you strongly enough how serious this is. The senators were stunned and the meeting ended abruptly. Senator. McCain resolve not to speak to Charles Keating again, not if he could help it. But the damage was done. He and the others would forever be tarred with the label, the Keating Five. And their reputations and careers were at stake. Welcome to political scandals, a cast original. I'm Richard, and I'm kate, you can find all episodes of political scandals and all other park asked originals for free on spotify. Over ever, you listen to podcasts to stream political scandals for free on spotify, just open the APP and type political scandals in the search bar. Today, we're talking about a group remembered as the Keating five when Lincoln savings and loan collapsed in nineteen, eighty, nine, it cost taxpayers more than three billion dollars a staggering loss enabled by five US senators. We'll dive into the corruption. Greed is good. Declared Gordon Gecko in the nineteen, Eighty, seven film Wall Street. The line was intended to showcase the characters villainy instead many. Took it as a call to action in a decade when everything was big hair shoulder pads, expense accounts ambition. And fights for more everyone wanted in, they could afford it or not. Consumer debt tripled in the nineteen eighties reading three point, seven, trillion dollars, the Dow Jones industrial average more than tripled between nineteen, eighty, two, and nineteen, eighty seven. Giving America's financial industry. A leg up was a healthy dose of Reagan era deregulation in nineteen eighty, and again in nineteen eighty-two, Congress and regulators loosened restrictions on the savings and loan industry or thrift bags. In Turn S. and L.'s were able to turn their attention away from their traditional focus, low return home mortgages and expand lending into riskier investments with higher returns, things like real estate development and high yield junk bonds, junk bonds, meaning debt securities rated below investment grade. They carried a high risk of default, but promised high returns if they didn't. That whiff of high returns attracted Gordon, Gecko types the same way blood in the water lure sharks Charles Keating amongst them. Charles Keating was the physical embodiment of Mid Twentieth Century, America Gregarious and tough. With no obstacle. He couldn't overcome. He was an imposing figure at six foot five, an all American swimmer at the University of Cincinnati and navy pilot in world. War. Two. and. Just as America isn't always what it seems a closer look at Charles Keating revealed some hard truths. He'd left the university after one semester because of poor grades. During the he was stationed in the US and never deployed in combat. He did however record a plane when he forgot to lower the landing gear. Luckily. For him, he escaped serious injury. Keating had a knack for walking away from disasters of his own making unscathed at least for a while. After the war heating return to the University of Cincinnati earning a law degree in nineteen, forty eight. He founded a law firm with his brother and soon represented the business interests of Carl. Linder. Junior Lindner owned ice cream stores, groceries, real estate, and savings and loans, and threw him keating, learn the business of acquisitions in Nineteen Sixty Lindner Keating created American financial corporation a holding company for subsidiaries of Lindner's businesses. Then in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, six, American financial acquired provident back even before deregulation banks were good business. But Keating knew from the beginning that they could be even better in one, thousand, nine, hundred, nine interview. He said, I? Always felt that an SNL if they relaxed, the rules was the biggest money maker in the world and if they didn't relax the rules. Well Rules were made for other men not Charles. Keating. By nine, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, two, having helped, grow the company into a financial powerhouse. Keating. Left his law practice to become the time executive vice president of American financial. But despite all his apparent success Keating's fortunes were built on Shaky Foundation. Between Nineteen, seventy, five, and seventy, six several unhappy stockholders filed lawsuits against American financial alleging financial malfeasance specifically that loans were being made to. On preferential terms without proper collateral, the security and Exchange Commission launched an investigation and Keating was charged with using provident to make fourteen million dollars in insider loans. With the case ongoing. Keating. Resigned from American, Financial Company in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, six, and relocated to Phoenix. Arizona. where he'd meet the first of the men who'd come to be known as the Keating Five. Nineteen seventy-six was Dennis Deconcini his first of three terms in the united. States, Senate. The key to his success was the financial support of Phoenix area businessmen and wealthy donors. Charles Keating did not appear poised to be one of those businessmen at the time of his move. When he left American financial, the best part of his settlement was that he took ownership of Phoenix based American, continental homes, but the real estate development subsidiary was no prize. It was losing millions. Fortunately. For Keating what began as a desert exile instead landed him at Ground Zero of the Sun Belt Boom. In the previous decade, Phoenix's population had grown by third, and then a third. Again in the nineteen seventies to become the country's ninth largest city, it would grow another twenty five percent in the eighties until by nineteen ninety, nearly one million people would make Phoenix home. And Charles Keating would be the man to build many of those homes. He turned American continental from a money losing venture into a leading developer of single family housing. With that success came political influence. Keating started by donating to Senator Dennis Deconcini as nineteen, seventy, six campaign. Then, in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, nine, Keating, took on the role of southwest fundraising chief to John Connolly's bid for the Republican presidential nomination. Commonly raised more money than any other candidate crisscrossing the country in a chartered learjet. Keating was soon elevated to chief campaign administrative officer of a failing campaign. Connolly's biggest claim to fame was spending more money than any other candidate eleven, million dollars. That eleven, million dollars, exactly. One delegate before commonly called it quits. But Keating was hooked on the power and the influence, he could wield in politics. He just had to get the SEC off his back about the American financial scandal. Then, he could really dive in. That finally happened in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, nine Keating settled with the sec both he and Lindner reimbursed one point, four, million dollars to American financial. Keating admitted no wrongdoing and accepted a permanent injunction against future violations. In short, he agreed not to commit further financial crimes. Just two years later as planned Keating was making way into the heart of conservative politics. I Ronald Reagan do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States. Newly elected President Ronald Reagan, considered him for position as ambassador to the Bahamas Senator Deconcini to whom Keating had made. Generous campaign contributions wrote a letter supporting that appointment. Unfortunately, two years hadn't been quite enough to quiet the rumblings about Keating's SEC violations, and ultimately they ended the matter. But, that's certainly didn't Paul Keating of the behind the scenes circuit of big donors. Keating met the next of the Keating five. Later, that year John. McCain a little over five years removed from his captivity as Vietnam POW, relocated to Phoenix in nineteen eighty one. Recently remarried, he went to work for his new father-in-law's anheuser busch beer distributor as vice president of public relations. This put him in touch with the local business community including Keating Keating and McCain hit it off. Both were former military pilots and shared similar conservative politics when McCain set his sights on congressional seat. In Nineteen, eighty-two Keating saw opportunity to ingratiate himself with the rising political star. He hosted a fundraiser collecting more than eleven, thousand dollars from employees, of American, continental between one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, two, and nineteen, eighty, seven, McCain would receive one, hundred, twelve thousand dollars in political contributions from Keating and his associates and took several vacations paid for by Keating. It was later reported by the Arizona Republic that John McCain, and his wife sometimes accompanied by their daughter had made at least nine trips for for both business and pleasure at Keating's expense. At least three of those trips were to vacation at Keating's Bahamas retreat giddings vacation home in Cat Cay, Bahamas was just one of the luxuries he had to share. He also owned multimillion dollar homes in Phoenix, and Florida, and an apartment in Monte Carlo, and he traveled between them in style spending, nearly thirty, six, million dollars on three private jets and a helicopter. He could afford it business for American, continental continued to boom in Arizona. But. opportunities. Beckoned further west. In, the wake of the Reagan era deregulation enacted in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty to California had adopted guidelines for S. and L.'s that were much more lax than other states. That is those relaxed rules. Keating said would make an SNL, the biggest money maker in the world. So Keating set his sights on California's Lincoln savings and loan. Association. The. Financial Institution that would become the center of the Keating five scandal. Coming up. Charles. Keating. Lincoln savings with the help of another icon of greed Michael Milkin. Hi, it's Kate. If you haven't had a chance to check out the podcast conspiracy theories yet, there's no better time to dig into this mysterious spotify original from podcast. You know the phrase, there are two sides to every story. Well, what if two sides became three or four or more, and what if some of those sides seem more logical than the explanations you've been led to believe are true? Every Monday and Wednesday conspiracy theories. Curious. Look at some of the most questionable and questioned happenings in history hosts, Mali, and Carter explorer theories linked to the mind control methods of Project M. K., ultra the time changing phantom dark age, the death and life of to punctuate core and more. They also have a thrilling four part special coming up on the Oklahoma City bombing that you do not want to miss. From. The craziest controversies to possible cover-ups, they leave no stone unturned and no skeptic on heard. Because the truth is sometimes there's more to a story than just the truth. Follow. Conspiracy theories free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Now back to the story. By one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, five, Charles Keating had parlayed his go-getters, hustle and a dubious ethical compass into a multi-million dollar banking and real estate empire. His timing was also fortunate coinciding with the Sunbelt boom and federal deregulation of the savings and loan industry keating shared that good fortune with Arizona's prominent political figures, his financial support helped reelect Democratic Senator Dennis Deconcini in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, two. That same year, Keating was also instrumental in electing Republican John McCain to his first term in the US House of Representatives. These would be the first to members of the Keating. Five. Keating's expansion into California banking would introduce him to a third Senator Alan Cranston. Alan. CRANSTON was first elected to the US Senate in nineteen, sixty eight and had recently been re elected to his third term. He was a senior member of the powerful Senate banking and currency. Committee and a longtime ally of California's snl industry in nineteen eighty. He'd shown that ally ship by making sure federal deposit insurance was raised from its then current ceiling of forty thousand dollars to one hundred thousand dollars. By raising insurance. He helped pave a smooth path for deregulation consumers. Consumers new. Their money was safe whatever their banks did. So what did it matter if those banks got a little fast and loose with risky loans for senator. Cranston it was a win win. He was ensuring voters in his state were protected and cemented his claim on the support of California's banks in future elections. By nineteen, eighty-four Keating had his eye on an alliance with a friendly senator like, Cranston and a place in the appealing California, Banking Industry Cranston had fostered. The obvious solution was buying a California based bank. Founded in nineteen, twenty, five in Los Angeles, the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association was stayed firm with the majority of its business in home loans and only a quarter of its investments considered risky. It had only recently become profitable after several years of losses, mostly banks to deregulation, but despite its unimposing appearance, Keating, went after Lincoln hard and at a time when Lincoln stock was trading at eight dollars a share, he made an initial anonymous offer of twice that sum. Still, Lincoln owner Don Crocker refused professing no interest in selling. So Keating said about wooing Crocker. He convinced him to meet personally in Phoenix at the American continental office. Then with pleasantries, barely out of the way, Keating offered between forty and fifty million dollars for Lincoln, that would be twenty dollars a share twenty, five percent more than his offer of just days ago. But. Keating had no doubt. He'd be able to finance the deal. He just raised several tens of millions in cash via junk bond King Michael. Milkin a real life Gordon. Gecko, he was certain. He could raise another fifty million dollars in the same manner. Of, Course Keating didn't know that the security and exchange. Commission had been watching Milkin since one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, nine, aware of unethical, and perhaps illegal trading activities nor did Crocker. But Crocker was concerned about the SEC specifically. Would Keating's SEC problem of just a few years ago, prevent regulatory approval of the acquisition. If Keating felt stung by the mention of his past financial malfeasance. He didn't show it. He waved off his settlement as a way to avoid legal fees in a drawn out proceeding nothing more. Confident in his ability to close the deal heating showed Crocker around his offices, introducing him to several of his staff. When Crocker asked how personnel would work getting talked about the family and how anyone at Lincoln who wanted to stay on would become a part of that family. He promised little would change that he'd continue to run it as a traditional S&L focused on home lending. It was too good. An offer to refuse rocker agreed to a deal worth fifty, one, million dollars. By February Nineteen eighty-four, the Lincoln Board approved the sale, and so did California regulators without bringing up Keating's old sec violation? You can probably guess what happened. Next Keating fired all of Lincoln's top executives. He named his son, a twenty eight year old college dropout president at a salary of one, million dollars and home lending stopped nearly entirely in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, five, and into nineteen eighty-six Lincoln would make only eleven home loans four, two employees. Instead Lincoln purchase nearly three billion dollars in high risk junk bonds, most of it from Michael Milkin. It was also around this time that Keating formed a relationship with the fourth of the Keating five John Glenn, a two term senator from Ohio Glenn also happened to be a former marine captain fighter pilot during the Korean conflict first American to orbit the earth and a two time presidential candidate, Glenn represented. Ohio. Where Keating was born and raised and where one of his business ventures was headquartered in other words, he was one more senator of whom Keating could consider himself. A constituent kaeding contributed thirty four thousand dollars directly to Glens Nineteen eighty-four campaign for the presidency and an additional two, hundred thousand dollars to a Glenn Political. Action Committee. Meanwhile, Lincoln continued its buying spree of aggressive investments. The nineteen eighty, five purchase of Detroit's hotel puncher train put Keating among the constituents of yet another senator from a fourth state. The last of the Keating Five Michigan Senator Don Riegle would benefit from Keating contributions of seventy, six, thousand dollars for his one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, eight, reelection, Keating subsequently bought the hotel pontchartrain for himself financed by thirty, eight, million dollars in dubious loans from Lincoln with Keating at the helm. The bulk of Lincoln's investments were in undeveloped land, real estate development hotels, even a casino and junk bonds. All high risk speculation that would have been nearly impossible before the deregulation of the one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty S. But all the risk was paying off between nineteen, eighty, five and nineteen. eighty-nine Keating would grow Lincoln from a company with about one billion dollars in assets to one that showed nearly six billion dollars on its books. Parent company American Continental's stock rose nine hundred percent in a five year period. He rewarded himself with nineteen point four, million dollars in salary stock purchases, and other compensation over five years while the company picked up the TAB for his five million dollar. Florida's state. Added Height Lincoln's parent company American continental was one of Arizona's largest employers. Lincoln wasn't the only SNL spending fast in writing high across the country. Many thrift banks were exploiting the same loose regulation to record profits. By nineteen eighty, five overall SNL assets had grown by over fifty percent. It was a dizzying height from which to fall but fall they did. Speculation had SNL's to extend themselves in risky investments in real estate and junk bonds as bankruptcies began to pile up regulators attempted to intercede Edward Grade Chairman of the Federal Home Loan, bank board, or F.. H.. L. BB proposed a number of reforms and regulations. One of these was a retroactive prohibition against savings. Association's holding more than ten percent of their assets in direct investments, essentially taking ownership positions on real estate and other investments with the stroke of Grey's Penn Lincoln was out of compliance. With billions of dollars tied up in long term projects, Keating faced enormous losses. If forced to liquidate those projects, he was concerned enough to attempt to hire gray out of his bank board position in December of Nineteen eighty-five. Gray. Refused the offer and reported to the Justice Department. In, nineteen eighty six, barely a year after Keating's purchase of Lincoln. The F. H. L. BB began an audit of Lincoln. Bank board was concerned about its fast growth and risky investments and wanted a closer look at Keating's books. Heating feared the increased scrutiny of government regulators for good reason. He wasn't just investing in risky projects, but engaged in a variety of fraudulent activities among them was a scheme to declare false prophets. By selling property, he owned two small investors who would borrow the entire inflated purchase price from Keating Keating met with bored regulators in July a meeting that according to Kathleen, day author of snl Hell deteriorated into a shouting match with each side accusing the other of bad faith. A story in the Washington Post included charges by Keating's lawyer of a vendetta against his client by bank board. Chairman Gray. An aggrieved businessmen finding himself unjustly targeted by government bureaucracy might contact his senator for help. The, luckiest constituent among US might have two senators he could call upon. Heating had five and he wasn't done spending in March of nineteen, Eighty, seven, he contributed one hundred thousand dollars to a voter registration organization overseen by Senator Cranston three weeks. Later, Keating raised more than thirty thousand dollars for Michigan Senator Regal at a fundraiser held at his Detroit. That same month regal met with Board Chairman Gray on an unrelated matter when the meeting ended regal pulled aside for a private conversation in which he professed the collective displeasure of several senators over the board's audit of Lincoln, he asked for a meeting but grey deterred. On April second gray was surprised to find the meeting on his books. Anyway. It would be held in Senator Deacon. Sienese. Office with other senators present, he was instructed to attend alone without his aides. Come alone and tell no one is the stuff of dirty backroom politics and the meeting would deliver on that ominous promise. It. Would prove an historic mistake for the Keating. Five. Coming up the Keating five, earn their notoriety with a shakedown gone awry now back to the story. As owner of Lincoln savings and Loan Charles. Keating was at the center of AMERICA'S EXPLOSIVE S&L Industry Boom. To ensure his continued success without regulatory interference Keating's spread significant sums of money around Washington. That largesse included more than one point, three million dollars to five senators from four states. When regulators came calling. So to Keating to call in his chits. On April Second, Nineteen eighty-seven Bank board chairman Edward. Grey met Senators Dennis, Deconcini John McCain, Alan Cranston, and John. Glenn in. Deacon Concedes Office. Gray as instructed attended alone. So did the senators. It was highly unusual for no senatorial aides to accompany their bosses either to take notes or to provide information during the meeting. Deconcini. Began the meeting with a reference to our friend at Lincoln. Gray, assured the senators that his concern was the big picture of the SNL industry and that he had no specific information about. Lincoln. Only the regulators at the San Francisco. Branch would gray was being shrewd recapitalizing the federal, bank board required congressional approval and he desperately needed the support of senators like regal in Cranston both on the Senate. Banking. Committee. So he promised to set another meeting for one week later with regulators flying in from San Francisco. That's not to say gray wasn't cautious upon returning to his office. He debriefed his staff on his meeting with the senators. That debrief would eventually become evidence that the meeting was inappropriate at an attempt at intimidation. Yet, Gray took no official action. He arranged the second meeting with San. Francisco regulators and failed to put himself on the list of attendees. He'd have no further contact with the senators regarding, Lincoln. Before the second meeting. Keating sent his chief counsel and right hand man. James Grogan to Washington. Grogan met with all five senators to emphasize how important is meeting was. He reiterated Keating's position. Lincoln was being unfairly targeted. The bank boards treatment was unduly harsh and Keating was being harassed by gray. Then the senators marched to the meeting. In attendance were Michael, Patriarca, director of agency functions at the federal savings and loan. Insurance. Corporation or fslic James. Sarahna President of the Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco. And William Black, then deputy director of the FSLIC. Black took copious, nearly verbatim notes of the meeting in an interview with the Arizona Republic. Black. Would later described the meeting as a demonstration of political force by Keating, wary of how his fellow senator from Arizona had started the previous meeting McCain open carefully according to blacks, notes, explaining their role as elected officials was to help constituents in a proper fashion. I don't want any part of our conversation to be improper Glenn was less tactful. Saying you should charge Lincoln or get off their backs de Consignee. Each chimed in to ask rhetorically what's wrong with this if they're willing to clean up their act. The regulators from San Francisco made their discomfort known. They told the senators how unusual it was to discuss a particular company. Deacon seaney countered it's very unusual for us to have a company that could be put out of business by its regulators. Deconcini, didn't know how right he was. The regulators had information that the senators did not and whether they went into the meeting intending to share it or not. Serena dropped the bombshell. Lincoln wasn't simply extended. It was in real trouble a ticking time bomb according to blacks notes. It got worse from there. Patriarca told the room that they were forwarding criminal referral to the Department of Justice involving a whole range of imprudent actions. I can't tell you strongly enough how serious this is. The senators were stunned. They were willing to exert their influence over a regulatory matter, but a Justice Department investigation into possible criminal activity was something else entirely. The meeting ended abruptly with a warning, the senators were not to breathe a word of the criminal referral to Keating. Regardless of whether that warning was followed, the investigation barreled on. In May of nineteen, eighty seven, the San Francisco regulators completed their year long audit into Lincoln savings and loan among their findings were underwriting deficiencies, inflated appraisals, false prophets, improperly capitalized interest, and more than half a billion dollars in direct investments. Well, over the ten percent limit gray had enacted back in nineteen, eighty, five. Lincoln. Also had one hundred, thirty, five, million dollars in reporting losses. The report recommended that its assets be seized. And, yet, they weren't. In June Ed Gray retired from the bank board. Three months later, the investigation was pulled from San, Francisco. Office and in May of Nineteen eighty-eight, it was transferred to Washington for whatever reason, the influence of the senators resume change at the F. H. L. BB or political expediency, the regulators backed off. The consequences would prove disastrous. On October nineteenth, nineteen, eighty seven. What would come to be known as black Monday, the stock market crashed. The. Dow Lost Twenty three percent of its value and real estate values started to decline overextended and financed on the shaky foundation of junk bonds and badland deals. Lincoln struggle to survive at any cost desperate for cash flow Lincoln's managers at all twenty, nine branches were instructed to move customers from their federally insured certificates of deposit into higher yielding bonds. In American, continental because American continental was essentially insolvent EPA time. These were the junkiest of junk bonds uninsured against failure by the FDIC Lincoln sold two, hundred, million dollars, worth of these bonds to its customers, many of whom were elderly retirees. Some later testified in a civil trial that they were told that the bonds were federally insured. All Lie. As, thrifts failed across the country branch managers continued to tell customers that their investments were absolutely safe. Right up until Lincoln. Seizure. On April, thirteen nine hundred eighty nine two years after the meeting between regulators and the Keating five. American continental declared bankruptcy. One day later, Lincoln was seized by the F.. H. L. BB with the federal government on the hook for three point, four billion dollars to cover Lincoln's losses. On, top of that, nearly twenty three, thousand customers were left with worthless uninsured bonds in the bankrupt American continental. Many of them lost their life savings. Since Lincoln started transitioning customers to American continental bonds after regulators had failed to act on their already shady behavior, a solid argument could be made that the intervention of the Keating five was responsible for. Any, of that loss, the delay had also allowed Lincoln, to run up an additional two, billion dollars in losses at taxpayer expense, not one to accept defeat blame or responsibility with good. Grace. Keating. Called a press conference where he decried the government vendetta against him. He railed at bureaucrats who in seizing Lincoln's. Work, costing hundreds of billions of dollars that could otherwise be directed towards the poor of the world. But. He wasn't finished. On the subject of the Keating Five, he made this arrogant pronouncement. One recent question among many raised in recent weeks had to do with whether my financial support in any way, influenced several political figures to take up my cause. I want to say in the most forceful way. I can. I certainly hope so. In the aftermath of Lincoln's failure lawsuits and countersuits flu Keating's sued alleging illegal seizure in return, the government filed a one point one, billion dollar civil lawsuit against Keating and several family members for fraud and racketeering. Many of the twenty three thousand defrauded investors of American. Continental junk bonds also filed a suit against Keating. Just one month after Lincoln's seizure. Former bank board chair gray went public about the five senators interference on behalf of Keating. In Dayton Daily News article, he declared that the senators had sought to directly subvert the regulatory process. Throughout the summer other local papers picked up the story, The Los Angeles Times, reported on Cranston's role. While the Zona Republic investigated McCain's personal relationship with Keating by October nineteen, eighty, nine, the Wall Street Journal had coined the term, the Keating five by November, The New York Times was detailing the senators involvement. In the spring of Nineteen, ninety decks of playing cards were being sold featuring Keating holding up his hand with images of the five senators as puppets on his fingers. The Keating five officially notorious. In Nineteen Ninety the Senate Ethics Committee convened to investigate their role in the Lincoln Bank scandal. At this point, it was common knowledge that Keating had contributed more than one point, three million dollars to the five senators before calling upon them to intervene against federal regulators to a person. The senators denied improper conduct claiming they had acted on behalf of, Keating, as a constituent, not donor. Perhaps imprudently McCain claimed I have done this kind of thing, many many times, the Senate Ethics Committee investigation lasted twenty two months including seven weeks of public hearings. Road cast live overseas span. The hearings were McCain would later write a public humiliation. But for the public, it was much more than that. The scandal gave everyday Americans away to understand both the larger SNL crisis and political influence in microcosm. And in the process cemented, the popular opinion that this is how the system works. Perhaps because of that opinion. And despite staggering losses incurred by tax payers few believed, there would be any serious fallout for the senators involved. They were right. The. Most serious disciplinary action available was expulsion from the Senate requiring a thirds vote. None of the senators were expelled. The second most serious was censure. A formal statement of disapproval requiring only a majority. None of the Keating five were censured when it was all over only, Cranston. Received a formal reprimand, a level of senatorial disapproval. The committee ruled that he'd acted improperly and interfering with the investigation, and perhaps because he'd benefited from nearly a million dollars in contributions from Keating, he had acted more aggressively on Keating's behalf than the others, Deconncini and Regal criticized for improperly interfering with the investigation, but neither was deemed to have broken. Any Senate rule. Glenn and McCain were noted for poor judgment, but cleared of any official impropriety. Politically. The effects were only slightly more damaging. Cranston left office while both Deconncini and Regal. Chose not to run for reelection in nineteen ninety. Four. But Len and McCain both ran and were re elected easily. Glenn Served Until Nineteen Ninety Nine McCain continued to serve until his two thousand eighteen death from cancer. But the Keating five weren't forgotten when McCain ran as the two thousand eight Republican nominee for president, the scandal was resurrected in thirteen minute documentary. McCain would later call attending the to April nineteen eighty-seven meetings, the worst mistake of my life. Keating meanwhile faced multiple charges in both state and federal courts in one thousand, nine, hundred, ninety one he was convicted of fraud charges relating to the junk bond swindle of American continental bondholders and sentenced to the maximum ten years in prison. In, one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, three, he was convicted of multiple federal charges and sentenced to a twelve year federal term running concurrently with his ten year sentence. But in the end Keating served less than five years in prison. His state convictions were overturned in nineteen, ninety six. When a federal court judge ruled, the trial judge had not properly instructed the jury. That same year, an appeals court dismissed Keating's federal securities charges. The judge declaring that jurors had improperly learned his state convictions. Keating agreed to a federal plea deal admitting guilt to three counts of wire fraud and one count of bankruptcy fraud in exchange for time served without being subject to any fines or restitution. In October of nineteen ninety, six, Keating walked free. He died in Phoenix Hospital in two thousand, fourteen at age ninety. But his impact lingered. Nationwide more than a thousand. SNL's failed in the late nineteen eighties, fully one third of savings and loans associations in the United. States. Because the federal savings and Loan Insurance Corporation insured those deposits, the losses cost taxpayers one, hundred, twenty, five, billion dollars. Lincoln's losses of three point. Four billion were among the highest of any single. S&L. And at the time U S representative Jim Leach of Iowa called it the biggest bank heist in history. The American Public Keating, and his five senators became a symbol of political corruption of the bought and paid for politicians in the pockets of big money interests that pervades to this day. Thanks for listening. We'll be back next week with number thirteen on our countdown presidential candidate, John Edwards a one time Democratic Front runner in the two, thousand, eight election. Unfounded rumours of an extra marital affair had dogged his campaign and when the press discovered, he may have fathered a baby girl. All bets were off. You can find all episodes of political scandals and all other par- cast originals for free on spotify, not only to spotify already have all of your favorite music by now, spotify's making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite park as two originals for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker. To stream political scandals on spotify, just open the APP tap browse and tight political scandals in the search bar, we'll see next time. Political. 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Electors officially choose Biden; Vaccine's first day in U.S.; Barr leaves Trump

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Electors officially choose Biden; Vaccine's first day in U.S.; Barr leaves Trump

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Happy with powerful protection against cybercriminals save twenty five percent or more of your first year at norton dot com slash motto. That's dot com slash metro to save twenty five percent off the show weeknights at nine eastern on msnbc so today joe biden and comma harris were formally elected by the electoral college to become the next president and vice president of the united states also today at long last the first american started to be vaccinated against the corona virus. Also today the most radical attorney general since the watergate era when one attorney general went to prison today trump attorney general. William bar finally resigned or was fired hard to tell. All of those things happen one day. A vaccine a new president and vice president and the northbound end of southbound attorney general embar. How was your day all at once. Everything happens all at once just a moment. We will be speaking with the incoming white house chief of staff. President-elect biden tonight gave a big serious speech on the occasion of the electors meeting and all the various states and officially casting their ballots to make biden and harris. Officially the president and vice president elect the man who will serve as president. Biden's white house chief of staff. Ron klein is going to join us. Live in just a moment to talk about that. Speech from president elect biden and also to talk about this historic moment that we got to see play out live today all over the country. I never thought i would burst into tears watching a ups driver. Go up a loading dock ramp with a with a hand truck but that happened to me more than once today all over the country today nearly one hundred fifty sites received their first doses of corona vaccine today one hundred and forty five sites. Got it today. Another four hundred twenty five sites are going to get their first doses of vaccine tomorrow. A few dozen more sites will receive their first doses on wednesday. It is rolling out and we saw today highly at risk frontline health provider's getting the first doses of the vaccine nurses and doctors who work in covert icu. Used even as we saw those first shots administered to data those frontline heroes. The white house was apparently embarrassed enough. Yes apparently it's possible. The trump white house was apparently embarrassed enough today. By reporting this weekend trump white house staff would jump the line and get vaccinated before everybody else. They were embarrassed enough by that reporting this weekend. In the new york times that they climbed down from that plan and publicly announced that at least okay most white house staff will not jump the queue just dishonesty that they even tried to get away with that almost as astonishing that they were embarrassed enough to change the plan when it was exposed to sunlight. Hey look shame. The national priority populations for access to the vaccine are for very good reason. Healthcare workers who we need to stay alive so they can keep the rest of us alive. Also people who live and work in long term care facilities like nursing homes. Are those of the americans most at risk of dying of the locations where americans are most vulnerable not only forgetting the virus but for dying from it right so those are the priorities. Frontline health providers and people in long term care facilities people who live and work there white house. Staffers fit neither of those categories. But they tried it until they get called out on it. Now they've walked that back then again. It's not supposed to be just the president's friends who get access to super super rare monoclonal antibody treatments when they get covid. That's the protocol. The distribution of those super rare super expensive treatments is not just supposed to be people who the president can call on his cell phone. But that's how that's worked out so far so maybe they thought they could get away with having white house. Staffers jumped the queue to showcase. Just how much the administration is prioritizing. The fight against the virus even now it is tomorrow night. That secretary of state. Mike pompeo is hosting a holiday party at the state department. An indoor holiday party that has a guest list of nine hundred people all in one room tomorrow night at the state department. That's how serious they are about this thing today on the day the first vaccines were administered in this country. The trump national security adviser robert. O'brien was off on a european and mediterranean. Junket robert. O'brien had a meeting overseas today to be followed by some lovely an ambitious sightseeing time in paris and in london and in rome and then he's going to tel aviv. It is a payer funded trip as first reported by axios national security adviser robert. O'brien has brought his wife on this trip. It sounds like it's going to be romantic. An amazing there is reportedly includes a private tour of the liuw. The louvre museum in paris even though the louvre is closed to the public because of covid nevertheless he pulled some strings so he could get his wife in there and that's the junk get that he's on right now. That's how the national security adviser is spending corona virus. Vaccine d day we say bone alongside nursing homes. Veterans homes have been particularly hard bit hard hit by big corona virus outbreaks with multiple veterans homes in multiple states reporting dozens of deaths in single facilities among elderly veterans well today on corona virus. Vaccine d day multiple. American veterans groups are calling for the resignation or the firing of trump. Va secretary robert. Wilkie this after the va inspector general told justice department federal prosecutors that will behavior may have crossed the line from unconscionable to potentially criminal when he led an effort to try to undermine the credibility of a female veterans who'd made a sexual assault allegation involving a va facility thirty seven days. Left right on the pace of scandal that the trump administration has maintained from the beginning. Honestly thirty seven days is plenty of time for them. Have another cabinet official resign in disgrace or get fired or arrested or maybe all three thirty seven days. How many more cabinet scandals might break open. How many more people might resign in disgrace or potentially have criminal charges brought you know watch. This space is plenty of time for them. As i mentioned at the top of the show attorney. General william bar is out tonight. We're going to have reaction from a former senior justice department and f. b. i. Official who has been one of william bars most potent critics but i should also note and this may turn out to be just a coincidence but just before we got word that william bar was resigning tonight. We also learned about the resignation of the first trump appointed. Us attorney as well us attorneys. of course don't serve fixed terms. They can quit whenever they want. But the resignation. Tonight of craig carpenter. Who's the trump appointed. Us attorney in new jersey. He's the first. Us attorney to quit since the election and it is a little bit weird for a us attorney to quit during the lame duck notably. Mr carbonated was also part of the scheme. That attorney general william bar cooked up in sdn. Why might remember this summer where there was a big scandal. When william bartram to sort of quietly nudge out and then force out the us attorney in the southern district of new york it was carbonaio. The new jersey us attorney who bill barr wanted to install instead as a temporary leader in charge of sdn. Y when he was trying to fire. Us attorney jeff berman there. This all fell apart when us attorney jeff berman pushed back on what bar was trying to do. He went public with what bar was trying to do. He wouldn't go quietly. He insisted that it would be his own. Deputy who would take charge of that office. Not some guy who was bringing in from the outside but again carpeting does resignation announced tonight just minutes before we learned. That bar is also resigning. It's it's a little. It may just be a coincidence but bars out as the guy who are used in that sort of hit job where he was trying to decapitate. Sdn y while it should be noted sdn y was in the middle of among other things reportedly investigating the president's lawyer rudy giuliani. I mean untangling. The mess left behind by. Bill barr at the justice department and the way he blatantly brazenly used the justice department to serve the president personally to settle political scores for the president to go after the president's enemies to protect the president's friends waiting in personally to multiple us attorney's offices to stop order to derail prosecutions or sentencing potentially going to pose a threat to the president. In terms of the president's own criminal exposure. I mean unraveling. All of. this stuff is going to be. it's going to be it's going to be a lifetime's work. In terms of the amount of mass that he was able to create inside the storied department of justice. But as of tonight bars out so long. Farewell of interstate. Good night some some republican. Us senators are now finally ignoring dodging that. President-elect biden is president. Elect people like missouri. Senator roy blunt who now says quote we have gone through the constitutional process and the have voted so. There's a president-elect by which he means it's biden and senator. John thune of south dakota who said quote at some point you have to face the music and i think once the electoral college settles the issue. Today it's time for everybody to move on. Senator shelley moore capito of west virginia saying quote. It's time to turn the page and begin a new administration publican senator joni ernst of iowa going the classy route saying quote. I know for iowans. It's disappointing but the process is what it is. It is what it is and this year. The process was weird and threatening at every turn especially today as the electors met in their various states and the district of columbia to cast their electoral votes. To officially make biden and harris president and vice president elect today was weird and threatening in terms of the way the process goes because of how president trump and the republican party have handled themselves since the election. I mean this was the start of the day to day in michigan. This was a radio interview conducted by pro-trump republican state representative by the name of gary isan. Listen we can't keep me from going into the capital unofficial vicious. The can't do that okay. So if they do that today they were simply going to move our event to a different location and pursued with What we're gonna do today in. What's that what event are you planning. What's that again event. are you referring to. It'll be all over the news later on. This sounds dangerous. Gary i i'm not kidding. Around violence protests. I you know. And they asked me if i would just today and i said how can i not to gary who gary who asked you to assist in. What kind of assistance are you providing okay. Originally it was to supply chain guy Support and escort certain members in and out of the capital and I can't go into a lot of it. But i was asked to do that. And i state representative. Gary is gary. I'm concerned about violence today in lansing. I understand you're passionate about this. A lot of people are passionate about it. Can you assure me that this is going to be a safe day in in lansing. Nobody's gonna get hurt. No all right because what we're doing today is in charge of its. It hasn't been done. It's not only that it's it's it's the michigan it's the you're part of it michigan party. Hearty to witness. Well you said you were asked to help and participate. Well help as far as we said there in that kind of showing that i support what they're doing so there's more to it than what i can say right now. You assure me that nobody's gonna get hurt. No no i can't i. Can't they told me there's going to be violence. They told me this gonna be protest. They asked me if i would assist today. I said yeah. Can you assure me that nobody's gonna get hurt. No i can't stop just means the whole michigan republican party michigan republicans were going down to the capital. And yeah we're expecting violence. And i'm not saying nobody's gonna get hurt. Elected republican official in the state of michigan that state representative after those remarks today was stripped of his committee assignments. He later apologized for his remarks and said they had been confusing. He says he did not go down to the capital today. What did happen at the michigan state. Capital today was a group of republicans including some other republican state representatives turning up at the door of the state capital demanding to be let inside as electors even though the state of michigan chose the democratic slate to be. Its electors. Not the republican slate. When biden harris won the election in michigan by more than one hundred and fifty thousand votes republicans in the state of michigan apparently really do not care. They turned up anyway. They want the state's electoral college votes to go trump anyway and so today at the state capital they wanted in commission for the governor job hunters summit. Half of those cole was much office buildings or taking process. Anybody else from there lepers central electors already here the check. We installation incite have all also selectors some than guys with all electric house checking but the pl actor jackson michigan republicans trying to get in to the state capital today to cast electoral votes for trump as republican electors even though there is not a slate of republican electors in michigan because trump lost michigan. And so there's a democratic slate of electors instead michigan today did have. It's real electors cast. It's real electoral votes. All sixteen of them went for biden and harris. And that happened today. Officially end really just like all. The states did that. That trump and his supporters have been raving about ever since biden and harris won them. Wisconsin cast its electoral votes for biden and harris today. Pennsylvania cast its electoral votes for biden harris today georgia arizona but it did get weird i mean in in arizona. I kid you not. Republicans in arizona sent a four ged certificate of ascertainment to the national archives in washington pretending that they were the real electors from arizona and their votes for trump are real and should be counted by the united states senate. Literally they sent a forged document. This is from the zona republic today quote. fake electors tried to deliver arizona's eleven votes for trump. Here's the lead in arizona. Group set the national archives in washington. Dc notarized documents intended to deliver wrongly the states eleven electoral votes for president trump mesa resident. Laurie ozeki say h sixty two helped create. A simile of the certificate of aspartame meant that is submitted to formally cast each state's electoral votes. She told the arizona republic quote. We already turned it in. We beat them to the game. So the real electoral votes won't count because we sent in a fake set. I we were earlier. The actual arizona electors cast their votes for biden harris today and the fake republican electors. And whatever they do. It doesn't amount to anything legally. I mean it's legally i. I suppose it's possible the consequences that might be significant if they get charged with a crime. Something having to do with forged government documents but they weren't real electoral votes the real arizona. Electric today cast the real votes for arizona. They had they did have to meet at a secure undisclosed location for safety reasons. Same thing was true in wisconsin. The real electors in wisconsin. We're told that they needed to come into the state capital through an unmarked side door. An obscure part of the state capital for their own safety in michigan. One of the real electors. One of the democratic electors today turned up to cast her electoral electoral vote. She wore a bulletproof vest for her own safety today. Republicans in georgia and republicans in wisconsin republicans in pennsylvania. all ceremonially cast fake electoral votes for donald trump. Today i mean the real electoral votes in all of those states where custody for biden and harris but republicans held ceremonial like fake pageants where they fake cast votes for donald trump. Just in case or because that's the world they wanna live in so they're pretending those are the real votes white house. Stephen miller said in an interview today that multiple states were biden. One we'll have alternate electors alternate electors. Who will pretend that trump won those states. Even though biden won those states because somehow they think having alternate fake republican slates of electors from all these swing states. That will somehow help them when they try on january. Sixth to not count the electoral votes when they formally get conveyed to the us senate. I mean they're working. They're working on these things. They've got their fake republican electoral. Slates all ready to go and doing stuff in states that biden one so there aren't any republican electors. This is not getting better over time. Things are not getting better in terms of the republicans coming around to democracy as the way decide things as a country as the pro-trump pseudo legal effort poops out entirely not just the supreme court but everywhere as the electoral college votes cast in fifty states in dc today as those electoral college votes. Seal the deal for biden these stunts in all these states today the forged documents the pretend electors arguing with the state police captain that they must be allowed in the building to go cast electoral votes for trump. The hundreds of millions of dollars in fundraising. They're still doing on this fantasy. It's really not getting better. It is getting worse and elements of this movement and this fantastical trip into unreality are getting more unhinged more dangerous. I mean meanwhile in the streets this weekend there's this pro-trump sort of paramilitary gang roving around the streets of the capital brawling drinking attacking people in the street right attacking ripping down banners from historically black churches in washington dc. The really is a violent pro-trump street movement and they're not getting any better either as the election. Fantasy substantively comes to an end. But these guys are coming nowhere near recognition of that. Four people were stabbed saturday night in washington. Dc one person was shot on saturday in washington state at these protests by pro-trump sort of quasi paramilitary neo-fascist groups that have no intention of accepting the biden harris election victory. Where does that go. Where does that end tonight. President-elect biden sort of called the question here for republicans and for what been trying and for what it has led to already and for where they think the sense. The trump campaign brought dozens and dozens and dozens of legal challenges test the result they were heard again and again and each time they've heard are found to be without merit time and again president. Trump's lawyers presented arguments to state officials state legislatures state and federal courts and ultimately to the united states supreme court. Twice there are heard by more than eighty judges across this country and every case no cause or evidence was found reverse or question or dispute the results seventeen republican attorneys general and one hundred and twenty six republican members of congress. Actually actually sign onto a lawsuit filed by the state of texas. That lawsuit asked the united states supreme court to reject the certified vote counts in georgia michigan. Pennsylvania and wisconsin. This legal maneuver was an effort by elected officials and one group of states to try to get the supreme court the white powder the votes of more than twenty million americans and other states and to hand the presidency to candidate lost electoral college. Lost the popular vote and lost each and every one of the states whose votes were trying to reverse its position so extreme. We've never seen it before position that refused to respect the will of the people refused respect the rule of law and refused to honor our constitution together vice president-elect harrison i earned three hundred six electoral votes well exceeding the two hundred seventy electoral votes needed to secure victory. Three hundred. Six electoral votes is the same number of electoral votes. That donald trump and vice president pence received when they won in two thousand sixteen. Excuse me at the time. President trump calls elect electoral college. Tally a landslide by his own standards. 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If you missed last night's episode. Listen to the daily show with trevor noah. Ears edition on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts on this historic day when the first american started receiving the first doses of the coronavirus vaccine when we crossed the terrible threshold of three hundred thousand americans. Dead from the coronavirus as of today when we just tonight hit a new record for the largest numbers of new cases in a single day ever nbc news reporting just moments ago that there were two hundred and thirty. Two thousand new infections reported just today. That is a new record for the largest number of infections ever reported in one twenty four hour period on this day. The david joe biden and kala harris officially became president and vice president elect with the electoral college votes being submitted today and in all fifty states i know it kind of feels like too much all at once. I know but you can make yourself feel better about it with one neat trick. Imagine you had to be running the white house in a time like this. That would be impossible. Doesn't that make you feel better about your responsibilities. Maybe joining us. Now is president-elect biden's incoming white house chief of staff. Ron claimed mr clinton by the chief of staff when he was vice. President also was president obama's coordinator for ebola. Response mr clean. It's great to see. Thanks for making time for us on this historic day. Me rachel for all of the things that are happening all at once the the thing that today will probably go down in history for i. Is that the first doses of the vaccine got into the first american arms today. I just have to ask How both exciting and daunting that is for you as you prepare to take to take to take over a ritual as you said. It's both a great day in a horrific day on the front of the battle against covid the first vaccination given is obviously a sign of hope but the record number of cases today and the three hundred thousand milestone is reminded that we're still in the middle of what will be a very very very dark winter. There are literally probably tens of thousands of deaths left before the end of the year. A more after that and the saddest thing at all rachel is. We're waiting for this vaccine to be deployed manufactured distributed. There are simple things we do now. That would radically change the course of this virus. All americans wear masks socially distance. We could wash your hands. Could do the things we need to do to bring this virus under control. The vaccine has hope the vaccine is the end point but full vaccination of the country is still months and months away and it's in our hands and the hands of the government washington. Our leaders rather country to save lives between now and then president-elect biden has talked about sort of the coming crimps in the process that he expects that there may be supply issues in coming months in part because the trump white house turned down the opportunity to get more doses than we're getting. He also talked about the fact that. If if congress doesn't act to fund vaccination efforts were not actually funded for very long to carry out vaccination efforts around the country. Is it clear to you. What the sort of decision points are where we need to do. Policy things legislation things funding things in order to make this work as well as a can. You ever think it's pretty clear what needs to happen for. Congress stack this month to fund the vaccination effort. It's gonna unfold next year. President likes to talk about the fact that we've bought a lot of vaccine and that is a good thing but we don't have enough vaccine yet to cover all the american people and more importantly we don't have the funding we need Probably as soon as february or march to actually vaccinate people owning the vaccine is one thing but getting it to people is an entirely different challenge. It has to be transported it has to be distributed. Medical workers have to administer it to people and we need special efforts to reach people in urban areas and in rural areas and places that aren't covered very well by the existing healthcare system. We need special outreach workers to get the vaccine to people. There's a lot of work to be done. Our transition team is busy planning network. That will start. after january. twentieth congress needs to fund it even now before joe biden takes office ron today as we watched the historic rollout of the first vaccine doses. We're watching the historic vote of the electors in the fifty states and the district of columbia all gathering to cast those official electoral votes. It is unnerving to have to report that there were armed police escorts for doors in multiple states that there were multiple states in which the electors had to meet effectively in secret locations for their own safety that we had fake republican slates of electors trying to present themselves in one case to the national archive says if they were the real electors when they were not it. Is this just noise to you or do you see this as dangerous until i think it was important for the president-elect to address this directly tonight to talk about the challenges to our democracy that had been posed over the six weeks since the election were posed today on a number of fronts. But i also think it's important to take a moment and to thank all the people including a lot of republican elected officials who stood up for our democracy and who insisted that the will of the people be done. I mean you know that scene in michigan which showed earlier of the republican electors. Being turned away at the capitol door that was of course because of the leadership of the people of michigan in voting for joe biden and kamala harris. But also the republican. Legislators in michigan took back and effort by the president to get them to reverse the will of the people republican election officials. All over the country stood by their counts. Famously in georgia. We saw the harassment intimidation of republican elected officials for trying to stand by the count. So i think look. I think there are people who are launching an assault on our system. The system so far is working has held. I think tonight we're not just celebrating. The victory of joe biden and kamala harris were celebrating a victory for democracy and getting these electoral votes cast the right way and reaffirming that joe biden comma. Harris did win the election. Are you at all worried. The january sixth is going to be truly weird. I mean that is when the congress will gather to receive the electoral votes to formerly. Tally them to make it to basically put the period on the end of the sentence here. the the white house is suggesting that they're going try to make that as difficult to process as possible and it seems like some trump allies in in congress potentially even republican senators may be willing to try to basically muck up that process at the end and make it not work. Are you prepared for that or you have. Expectations are on that well. Of course we're originally. We've been prepared for every step in this process as it's move forward. Look i was heartened tonight to see a number of senior republican senators even remembers of the republican senate leadership Come out tonight. Acknowledged that joe biden and kamala harris had one. I think the dam broke on that. Tonight we saw people hadn't said anything before finally acknowledge This victory so president trump has got to be president trump. he is not going to change. He hasn't changed in four years. He's not gonna change the final thirty six days but i think The system is working. We're getting towards that. Inauguration date on january twentieth joe biden and commerce will be ready to picking a cabinet. They're sitting there policies in place. They're doing their part. And i have confidence on january six. The electoral college tally will reflect the votes cast today. Making joe biden comma harris the next president and vice president united states. One last question for you about just how how unusual this lame duck period has been this transition period has been litany of things that have been weird and unprecedented. I could go on but the the latest one is the news tonight. That attorney general. William bar is resigning It is not weird to know that he'll be leaving washington. It is weird to know that he's going to be leaving washington essentially with three weeks left of the trump administration In in office. I just have to ask your reaction to that news tonight. it did surprise me. I think it's a bit of a surprise. Have been rumored. Rachel but look i think weird things happening at the trump justice department isn't news. Unfortunately we know. The presence treated department like his personal offer. We know fired Attorney general fired acting attorney general You know he's done all kinds of strange things. All i can tell people is that that will change on twentieth. We're going to restore the independence and integrity of the justice department. It's going to be the people's lawyer not the president's lawyer. What happens between now and then i have very little say over what happened starting january twentieth. I can tell you. Joe biden is going to change the way. The justice department is worked. These past four years ron clan incoming white house chief of staff for president elect joe biden. Officially president elect joe biden s today with the electoral college casting. Its votes ron. It's great to see you Good luck to you in the weeks ahead. Stayntouch fix rich appreciated right. Speaking of william bars resignation. As attorney general andrew weissmann former senior member. A special counsel robert muller's team somebody who has been very and specifically critical of william bar at his at the helm of the justice department. Andrew weissmann joins us next to get his reaction about bars surprise resignation. Tonight we'll be right back. 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Grab what you love quote. I stiffened up behind the wheel. Something was very wrong. That was not in fact reports said knowing the evidence inside and out. I found it inconceivable that attorney general william bar had digested are voluminous. Discussion of the facts and come away believing that the president had not obstructed. Justice bar could not have written what they said. I thought but when our report would become public it was obvious that barr had spun our findings for political gain at best and lied for the president. At worst i had seen an analogous dereliction of duty. Time and time again during my prosecutorial career most notably in the failure of numerous financial watchdogs to prevent or at least blow the whistle on the corrupt leaders of the enron corporation as they pulled off one of the world's most lucrative and destructive corporate frauds but bars. Complicity was far worse as it struck at america's core democratic architecture. That bar and his wife were personal. Friends of robert mueller and his family struck and especially painful court bar had betrayed both friend and country as bad as it was william bars false. Public representation of the miller report was just the start bar. Of course it only been at the justice department for a hot minute before he did that. Bar of course tried to throw out the case against trump's former national security advisor. Mike flynn bar personally intervened in another case against longtime trump adviser roger stone to try to get them redo sentenced bar personally organized. Big show of force against protesters in the streets by federal officers with no name tags and no identifying insignia bar personally ordering the removal of peaceful protesters around lafayette square outside the white house. Just before trump staged a photo op in front of a nearby church in the lead up to the election bar parroted. The president's attacks on mass mail in voting and exaggerated claims of possible voter fraud and his resignation letter tonight. We'll him continues to beat that drum telling the president and his letter. The justice department is still reviewing. How voter fraud allegations in. The two thousand twenty election will be this quite a tenure to say the least but as andrew weisman Wrote about in his book where law ends. It started in bill bars very days at the justice department with him making a public porcupine by a big public lie about the content of the muller investigation which came as a shock to the people working on that investigation at the time. That bar ambushed everybody with it. Joining us now is former senior member of special counsel robert muller's team he served his. Fbi general counsel former head of the criminal fraud section doj and. His latest book is called where law ends inside. The muller investigation. That's why we have that first. Person account of the initial shock at what bar tried to do to that investigation andrew weissmann. It's really nice to see you tonight. Thanks for making time. Nice to see you rachel. What is your reaction to attorney. General bars resignation tonight. I think about when. I heard that he was resigning. Is i thought about the enormous number of career prosecutors who've had to resign under attorney general bars. Watch and racial as you do. That does not happen under normal attorney general's whether republican or democratic As you recounted when attorney general bar filed a motion to dismiss the flynn case prosecutors resigned when he filed a motion to reduce the sentence recommended for roger stanton. Another friend of the president. Prosecutors resigned when appointed. John durham to do an investigation of the investigators. That number two to john. Durham resigned and then most recently when you had attorney general bar touting to mail in voting would send how be fraudulent with admitting there was no evidence and then changing the department of justice policy on election so that they could interfere sooner again. Career people resigned. I think the legacy of attorney general bar is going to be dismal. And i think there are numerous career people today who are really looking forward to a new administration and that means an administration whether it was biden or anyone else but a president who is actually going to uphold the rule of law which is absolutely central to our country and our democracy. There was a simultaneous. The president telling us telling the public that that bar was leaving. And also that deputy attorney general. Jeff rosen will be taking over at least in the interim as acting attorney general. I don't know very much about deputy. Attorney general rosen. Most of what i know is unflattering in terms of public reporting open source reporting about the senior levels of the justice department under bar including deputy. Attorney general rosen having leaned on prosecutors and various us attorney's offices about sensitive cases related to the president in ways that seemed likely to benefit the president but again. That's a very narrow slice. Do you ever reaction at all to the news. That he'll be he'll be at the helm at least for the next few weeks will. It's pretty typical for the deputy attorney general to take over. It's remarkable Jefferson has no criminal experience whatsoever and is is really not Doj allom with any kind of experience in in running the department. He was a friend of attorney. General bar you may recall one of the very first things that he did when he took office. it's small but it shows the lack of respect for the rule of law is he reached out and change the location of where paul manafort would be housed so will everyone else when they get brought up to new york to face. Charges has to go into state custody. nope that was not going to be the right thing for a friend of the president even know every other prisoner is not treated that way and that to me. It's a really small anecdote but it is so telling because that is the real problem with this administration. Which is the rule of law means. People get treated the same who are in the same situation. It doesn't matter that you're a friend of the president or an enemy of the president there still due process Otherwise we really become an autocratic regime all the kinds of things that we see around the globe that we hear to forehead tried to change and deplored. We have been emulating and so seeing attorney. General are go is something that you know. It's hard to not think of the word schadenfreude at this very moment where you're just waiting for january twentieth to restore Department of justice to what it was and your way spin. A former senior member of special counsel robert muller's team has had senior roles both the justice department and the fbi entry. Thank you for being here tonight. I'm really glad we could get you on the air tonight. Thanks nice to be here this year all right. It is a historic day with all of these things happening. At once attorney general. Resigning would normally be like a blow out. Everything kind of story. It's one of three stories that we're covering tonight As well as the electoral college formerly making biden and harris president president and vice president elect and of course the first track seen doses getting to the first americans today more and all of it ahead. Stay with us doctor valerie. Brioni prior is a primary care physician at the university of louisville hospital in kentucky. She's works at our hospitals cove. Since march her first covid patient back then in march was just forty three years old. She says his age sticks with her because when he came to her hospital needing treatment for it he was a year younger than she was. She says she remembers all the names of every covid patient. She has treated since then. She knows all of their faces to of every patient. She is discharged and every patient. Who has died from the disease. This morning dr. bruins prior lost her twenty-seventh patient to covid nineteen. That patient died today just before. Ups unbox the first shipment of the covid vaccine in louisville and those files were loaded onto trucks enrolled inside her hospital the hospital where she had just lost a covert patient today for the twenty seventh time this year and then it was time doctor. Valerie brioni his prior rolled up her own sleeve just before noon today. One of the first people in kentucky to get the vaccine. She said quote. I just lost my twenty-seventh patient today. So the vaccine i took today was for her family and for the other twenty six patients that i've lost. I was kentucky today. This was pittsburgh today. When health workers at ups presbyterian hospital took a vote to decide who should get. The first vaccine does today. They picked charlemagne pike. Hush she's sixty seven years old. She's been a nurse at the hospital for over thirty years. She said she was excited and relieved to be vaccinated. She said i'm honored to do this. This pankaj said today. She was trying to smile. Her is because her mask covered the rest for face. This is sandra lindsey. She's an icu. Nurse in queens new york. She worked on the front lines and one of the worst hit hospitals and one of the worst hit cities one of the worst times in the pandemic. She was the first person in the state of new york to get the vaccine today and she was done. She held hands with one of her colleagues. She says the needle when an arm she fought hope she said. I am hopeful. I feel hopeful today. I'm relieved. I feel like healing is coming. There are more than two hundred and thirty. Two thousand new infections reported today most ever in a single day in this country and also today thousands of americans were vaccinated against covid nineteen. Tomorrow there will be thousands. More vaccines administered the largest vaccine. Roll out in. Us history continues one shot at a time. And it's not gonna go perfectly and there's going to be bumps along the way but we have gotten this far on foot in front of the other more to come tonight. Stay with us one last thing. I have this new book that came out on tuesday. I mentioned before. I'm only doing to book events this year. The whole book tour for bagman is only two events. The first one was last night was awesome with magic city books until the second one the final event tomorrow. Eleven thirty am eastern. It's hosted by the striker center in new york city. But because it's an online thing anybody can attend from anywhere if you would like to get a ticket and go You can find out how to do that. Msnbc dot com slash backman. Basically buy a ticket. The striker center mills. You the book and you can do this online event with me tomorrow at eleven thirty eastern and michael beschloss event with me which is fantastic. The last time. I mentioned this event. We had kind of an online pile up because lots of people tried to do it all at the same time. If you try to sign up tonight and you get stuck in the online waiting room because too many people are trying to buy tickets at once. They told me if you just try hitting refresh on your browser that should speed it along and that should unstick you from the waiting room. 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Best Of (Pats vs. Chiefs, Plaxico Burress interview, Eagles QBs, Kyrie and LeBron)

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Best Of (Pats vs. Chiefs, Plaxico Burress interview, Eagles QBs, Kyrie and LeBron)

"Hello and welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host Jenny Taft on today's show can Bill Belichick and the path slowdown Patrick Mahomes, plus Super Bowl champ ExCo birth is in studio. And was it a good move for career ring to call Braun for advice? Skip shannon. Let's get to it. Over in the AFC championship game, Patrick Mahomes and the chiefs are favored by three over the patriots. But they lost back in October in New England and Mahomes threw four touchdowns but added tuner sections in that game. And yesterday Mahomes said he was confused by the patriots defense in that game. New England came out with on scouted. Looks that you know, they headed shown in weeks or years, we are joined by f s one and fill analyst James Harrison good to have you back with us. I see your homework. You're no would. I'm excited here. This spot. I'm going to start with Shannon. What are those comments from homes? Tell you coach Belichick still has that he can confuse opposing quarterbacks considering this young man through for fifty touchdown. That's saying something. And that's what happens a lot of times. Alex give the Olav line coach skip when you get up on the on the board and we go over defense. He say we're not gonna chase ghosts. 'cause we'd be here all night trying to prepare for everything they could possibly give us. He says they're gonna show us something that we haven't had an opportunity to go over. Let's not throw a pick six. Let's not get John hitting the back and get a scoop score in. Let's get back to the lounge scrimmage, and then we come over to the sideline we can discuss. It. You see we showed how end montage Gill Donte hot food. Thirty sneaky by Dante picked him off Rennes back to the four, but they were able to get down and sell it down. But in a game of this magnitude, I'm afraid especially give this team. There's some teams get you turn the ball over you could overcome in the patriot. Are generally not one of those teams that you turn the ball over against deal, especially in these moments because they live for this. They make you pay the ultimate price, and they cash him now with feel gold but touchdown, and so that's one of the things that he's going to have to guard against but what it tells me that. That's what you know. He's like, hey, they they they they had some looks that we had not seen and that saying something's got because the Pittsburgh Steelers coverage against us skip I had never seen the coverage before and I'm supposed to go down the whole but against cover too. And the safety is on the hash will to me quarters covered. I'm running basic cross it might come come into the silent. Mike. What are you doing? What do you mean if it's quotas covered the backside playing half the field? It was covered. Six six y'all played a lot of that day. So skip. So we had to go back to the silences. I don't care go down the whole regardless because he's going to open up the backside. And so that's what you have to do less. Not turn the ball over. Let's get to the sideline diagram what they're doing. And how we're gonna tag it live to see another day though, kudos to here. But the food is young man with the tight season that he has that just goes to show you killed checks. Still got some bits of leads yet. Tell me what do you think? James? I think it was Mahomes saying that. Yeah. I was I was a little confused that game. And I show I show my age, but at the same time, he still what had like a hundred ten passer rating, and he saying, you know, what those two picks you confuse me. But this time you're not going to confuse me. See something Tom Brady does is. He goes back lineages he looks at the D coordinator. And if he d coordinated somewhere else, he says, you know, what this is what they did here. He said here he said, they gave me something they hadn't showed me weeks. Maybe even years he's telling you now, I went back weeks. Maybe even years to see what you do against a quarterback light me a quarterback that has the same qualities that I have that can run the ball that can still pass the ball. How do you defend him? And I think that's what he's telling them without telling them and saying, hey this week this time, we'll be ready. I think he was ready week six zero. Because Shannon Sharpe continues to say coche bills bell check. He's still got his baseball. This was a first year starter in his first attempt against a bell. Check defense and early on in that game. Dante Hightower fooled almost a pick six he got it all the way back to the four yard long. And that was the last time I saw that kid fooled football game because the one at the end of the hat. He's not fooled. He's just throwing it to the wrong jerseys because they're to patriots jerseys in between you Patrick and your receiver in the end zone. And that's a bad idea that just that just kid stuff, right? Causes body. But he he gets. He gets away with it. But every once in a while, you can that's why I'm not bought all the way into young. Okay. But he was so confused that from that point on from halftime on he scored thirty one points against Bill check in Foxborough on a Sunday night telecast, that's outrageously good and outrageously wrong for Bill bell check. So don't tell me. He still has his fastball. Got a kid hung thirty one on him in the second half. The kid brought his team back despite his two interceptions. One almost a pick six gift. Touchdown. He brought him all the way back to thirty three to thirty ahead. So it took Tom Brady throwing for one hundred and eighty two in the fourth quarter. And outscoring the kid eighteen to sixteen in the fourth quarter to pull it out of the fire. But what if he does doesn't what have Dante how doesn't bully? Because a lot of maybe don't fool. It's just walks away with that. Right say, we're having all different conversation. Now skip a lot of time coverages. There's only so many coverages you can run waters cover five couple one single high bomb. Blitz is the fronts that can confuse the quarterback because the quarterback looking at okay in this front. They like to play this coverage behind this from steel ya'll that three or four yard you do a lot of things. But the thing is is he's looking at. Okay this front right here. A lot of times you noticed. Coach Coachella take all his lime. Everybody's standing up. Nobody's gonna down stance. He don't want you to know because you try to dinner FAI big big big big. Okay. That's the Mike. No. We will take the mic to the little guy here. So he has everybody standing up because he's trying to computer. So maybe they compute Pat behold with the front is it. Okay. Yeah. They gave us this front, but they played this coverage behind pet Mahomes won't get me. Again betcha that so how many unscheduled looks. Fused. Check down Alex Smith back in October early October of twenty fourteen in Kansas City, when they won forty one to fourteen you think unscheduled looks really just rectum everything down but skill. About Tom Brady. Turn the ball over time alone. Just second. Then how many unscaled looks full check down Alex in the opening Thursday night game. You know that to two years Kareem hot. Oh, well that was forty two points right there. And then thirty one points in the second half this year. And how about the check down Alex playoff game at Foxboro in which he went twelve of twenty on third down, and they control the football. Thirty eight minutes to only twenty two for Tom Brady and Brady still managed to pull it out of the fire. Even though it went to an onside kick at the end of the game. But they they dominated all the stats that game. And I don't think check down was fooled by any unscheduled looks in that game. I I don't know. And then I don't know how many unscarred looks you guys Nick foles in the Super Bowl, but he didn't seem fool. I don't know. Maybe maybe I was wrong. But he didn't look fooled in that game. Fully scored forty one. Here's the thing. Even though you might pull somebody limitation what help when you get pressure. Then the ultimate and get exotic all you won't you do on it. When the just like office football a lot of just window-dressing we run into the same routes. We just give you different formation than do emotion. So get your is moving in different directions. Okay. The end of the day. If I got Reggie White. I ain't gonna do a whole lot of loop. If I gotta LT. They do know exotic with LT. Don't did the quarterback LT. Reggie bruise. Don't get Dion. We have a won't you guys? We want you to hold it. Diaz. Is you plan man do what he does. But see he doesn't have that now. So he has to get exotic these quarterbacks to good Peyton Manning was notorious for that he'd have his backup to go back. A look at every time this quarter diff- coordinator he had faced faced another location. I'll need that too. And so now, I get an opportunity to see what he likes to do in certain situations. Okay. So you love Blake Bortles. Ha ha. Unscaled looks. How many caught Blake Bortles off guard at Jacksonville this year when New England visited in Blake Bortles for three seventy six and four touchdowns against Belshazzar? They really like, I don't know. Prepare for Blake, bro. Like, maybe he fools you because he's so unpredictably, right? He actually played a halfway decent. You like. You like. Tell me with Tom Brady has a bad game. Kodama check. Human lot, this you, you know, what you need to style. Matt Stafford threw for two sixty two and two touchdowns. He was fooled. All fifty two. Yeah. Well, it was enough. They won twenty six to ten. Whoa. How new? New mass staffer dominated time. You told me dummy to channel thirty eight minutes to thirty eight minutes to twenty million on you know, who you way way Brady Brady. That's it. That's the no. No, I'm not a cowboy cowboy, but how he shouldn't care about. Yes, he hurt you for so long. I don't know. How you keep being a fan? That's a good question. On are you let me down. Petar? It's really. You really? I was born in the year of the tiger. Oh around a lot of govern tourists. Okay. You know? What actually you know what we're really hurt? It cowboy would get to the Super Bowl in lose. It ain't no telling you might not come into really hurt. The u is that Bill Belichick is getting exposed always eight dollars. He's lost his ease losing his fastball. He is being completely overrated over the last three or four years against personnel director and as a defensive coordinator sorry to Bogota three year. He's got the greatest quarterback ever any embracing degrading. Jim Ryan Brady almost saved his bacon against the one you play. But I wanna know why. As a win. It Tom Brady can get more than seventeen points. More than seventeen. Well, he used to be great Bill belch. Yeah. Looking for to this one? Of you. Coach over there is great which coach because I've tried to fire him twenty nine times go through all the layers there James fan over here. But I'm glad you came on a week. Could have you. Hey, guys, Jenny Taft. You're more of the undisputed podcast is on the way. But I I wanted to talk to you about Robin Hood, Robin Hood is an investing apt lets you buy and sell stocks ETF s options and cryptos all commission free. They strive to make financial services work for everyone. Not just the wealthy would data presented in an easy. 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Sign up at undisputed dot Robin, Hood dot com. That's undisputed dot robinhood dot com to start investing today. Now after the show. Well, our next guest caught the game winning touchdown. It's real forty two to beat the undefeated patriots on Saturday. He'll be coaching in the NFL PA collegiate bowl, which you can see right here on FX ones, a Plasco Burruss, welcome undisputed. Good to have you. Thanks for joining us. So how did you get involved as a coach for this game? I didn't turn in Arizona. Bruce arians. I got a phone call from from NFL pit the NFL PA to to to participate in this game. And this is a great opportunity. I think separates the NFL PA caluzzi getting from from other bowl games that when you have the likes of Darryl green. Ed Reed myself Andre Johnson. Jackie slater. Someone else coaches that can have an influence in kind of mental these guys going with going into the NFL draft really helps because those other Bogue aims. Don't don't have hall of fame, Kalomo coaches, and and mental so exciting to coach Senator cute. To myself when I when I really wanted to get into it. But a lot of work man is a lot of working obviously, I love the game. But no spending a lot of time with my family. You know? These kids today man, right? It's a great experience for me. And and all of the guys and Sam someone is great young talent, you know, blossom, and and yeah, and help knows guy fulfill to tesa dream in fulfil. It was good. A lot of these guys from the lower levels f c s some of the guy's not gonna skip. I remember going to the east wish Ryan game and one of the few division two guys going and now with letting go to Michigan. So I didn't have scowls at every practice. Yeah. So to get in front of somebody one thing on your side, big, bro. But but I had to do it yet. I started little brother, but he in Green Bay, and they're not gonna trade it does. So I wouldn't know what guy can do. But it gives these guys an opportunity to get NFL scouts in front of them and flex said. And also gives them an opportunity guys that played in the league that they can talk technique. They can talk. Okay this. What we did in college. Yeah. Okay. Play say Naba in NFL. You can't run it like that. Because these guys are too good and you tip that right off. So it's great. And I agree with you the time in the patient that it would take the coach. Mr. Burs Tigers back to that. Magic moment that Super Bowl week of forty two and Phoenix Arizona, and I don't remember which day it was Tuesday or Wednesday. Somebody ask you about the game. You're about to play against Tom Brady and company, and you made a prediction you said you were going to win the game twenty three to seventeen you. Remember that moment undoing a moment because we got off the bus and checked into the hotel, and I just happened to be walking casually through the hotel this day. This was probably this was Tuesday, Tuesday's just Tuesday, and I walked into the hotel and this guy just walked by me. And he was like you guys gonna win. Of course, the school's gonna be twenty three seventeen. And I thought nothing about it with the immediate member. He's happened to be a part of the national media. And I woke up say and my phone was buzzing ringing, and they're like man, what did you do? Turn the TV on and it was like international airline. Hey, twenty three seventeen and school and up seventeen fourteen. The punchline of the story is then of course, Tom Brady was asked about plaques prediction, and he laughed out loud and said, oh, we're only going to scores seventeen and he made a joke about at least he could made it forty five to forty to give better because that was the two thousand and seven patriots offense which had averaged thirty seven points a game. So how fearful were you going to practice the next day or whatever we won't feel for because you with your teammates anybody. Oh, we won't fearful everybody's kind of rally behind me was listen, we just pay a few weeks ago. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm on was, you know, don't turn a football over don't beat ourselves, and we had one inception. And they end up kicking a field goal when we threw intercepts and they end up when they game three points. Yup. So it had been thirty eight to thirty five at your place in the final regular season game, which gave you a feel for wait a second. We can hang with them. Right. We we we didn't have the playoffs ause because we already had already clinched going out wildcard going to play Tampa Bay. And I'm on was a we play and play this week sixteen game in in and try to win. I mean, we wouldn't take in the backseat to anybody. So great goes down and scores, and it's fourteen to ten with a couple of minutes left hit Randy mosses, you would predict he would. And then all of a sudden ally pulls off what I consider. Would you? Where were you on the helmet? Catch plane was actually. I was actually on the back side, you know. Team real back and throw the ball. I was like. Feel. Where was he? He wasn't a right place. Okay. And then what was your reaction when it sort of stuck in his helmet? Actually, couldn't believe him part of it until on the Jumbotron because I I couldn't seem to actually helmet catch. Well, was that. But when I saw it, I just couldn't believe you let. Yeah, we win the game. If he can't you ball. And and Rodney k get it out the ground. Oh, yeah. We will win Santer's job. Which does not does not do. We catch the ball and tell everybody that Rodney Harrison, I was one postseason exception from being all time in a section, right? So he went for the football. He did think of Rodney Harrison is runs runs David Tyree. He doesn't make playing right, but Ron Harrison wanted pick. Then a couple of plays later. You do not drop the ball. You catch it Duman which route you ran it was it was X Faye. Bomblets? Yeah. It was come as you. They will put me in a situation ended the game. And and and and goes, you covered who is on you. Oh, yeah. How can I ever forget? And Rodney Harrison actually says and we did a a film directed by Spike Lee, call in greatest catch. And they went to Rodney Harrison house interview them about that play and Rodney Harrison actually went up to the Layton's say, hey, man, we gotta check out his defense. And Julia say I was like man, I can't take out of it. Because and Rodney Harrison knew that it was it was single covers zero. And I was watching family is how all week he backs to the to the goal on stops his feet. And I'll say listen he's making to come out slant. Go. If he stops is feeling on goal like watching field for the last two weeks. I'm gonna just run make eye contact with ally. Before the snap know when our boat the hell, he grabbed me. If you don't want it who aren't they're not gonna tell me right now. And it was worth as covered zero. Recovers killing. Let people know we call him bomblets zero covering there's nobody in the middle of the field air body man to man, they're coming. And that's why Rodney wanted to check out because in a situation like that. You don't wanna make the the throw is so easy plex six five ls hobbies five eight and a half five nine. Yeah. So even if you make it a jump ball situation. It doesn't favor him now place ran red X fade. He can run the slant. He stopped his feet anticipating the ball's coming right now. But once he stopped his feet he couldn't restart again 'cause plants already started into in Spain. So now is touchdown old. So he's basically used as a man. There's no as I how surprised you're you looking back at that game that that same number twelve for New England is still at it Foxborough and going to Kansas City. I'm not surprised at all. It'd be honest with you been planning Tom Brady. Michigan state in Michigan. And I've been watching them perform these miracles and go out of performing at a legend and eleven der level for for the last twenty years. And you know, he just has a chip on his shoulder that that. Cannot get off eight eight straight AFC Tammy said, many unbelievable. No stains in his business. Eight AFC championship games in a row. Can you see him playing till forty five as he says he will believable. Unbelievable because they will find a way to take time. Ready protect. I don't see him slowing down anytime. So and ma'am. Me and Tom Brady was in the same job in two thousand. And we would've last two guys playing for my draft out of two hundred fifty five women the last two players in east plan still point. Plane and the quarterback who threw that football to win that game Super Bowl. Forty two is still plying for the New York football giants, and you very well. Knew that was good. What did you see for me lie this year? And what do you think about his chances next year? From what I'm hearing from what I understand he's going to come back and penalty. That's what I'm hearing. And that's what I understand. But it has to. They had the final to protecting a first and foremost because if you can't protect to can't. He can't go out. And before I mean, we we all see that in saquon Barkley. I mean who who is going to be that good L back home? We gotta get him back on the field healthy, they have generational talent. But at quarterback position, we just gotta find a way to solidify that position protective, and my mindset is if Dwayne has his the villa, but at a six pick me gotta take you there. Baylor. Hey, how you doing? As a benefit for that often in and I can't completely disagree with what coach Shurmur old school drop back conventional Dwayne would be a better fit for them. Listen, if you put Cuyler with saquon and Odell. New York craze. It Collins game is slowly. But surely become inappropriate is. I mean, I mean case in case in point Lamar Jackson, and you look at the Baltimore offense before the mall was implemented in off it. It was a drop back office drop offense. And we later this a whole new system. Also that doesn't happen. A whole new system was put in. When the Marjasin came into that office. So it may happen column column column erred may end up at the new John's, but from a stamp form with you know, sterling and Evan no deal. No deal has you have some familiarity with Pittsburgh. What do you think about the situation is going on with AB in Tonio Brown? A lot of things going on the scene from what I understand actually Antonio last night new and just trying to, you know, see where he's at mentally, you know, just trying to tell them to stay sane. And it's a lot of no pieces, you know, people are saying this and that and I'm just telling, you know, just they say, and you know, he's going back hit him in the manual going back and forth. Like those guys use a piece. Oh titans. And you hate to see those kind of things going on and mister Mundi. I guess MS warning came out came out and said he didn't see him in training camp and August, so I don't know what's going to happen. But the Pittsburgh Steelers going to be the Pittsburgh Steelers. The standard is a standard. I had opportunity to play this is and they're not gonna been fanny buddy, so gut feeling he's gone next year. Of I don't know. I I don't know where they go offense Wli if he's not there. They got juju. Jay wasn't. They drafted him. You know, what going you're say the standard the standard. They go move on the standard. But I don't know. I just don't know. I don't know if he is going to be really says, he's not he's not. But you just don't know that here that either from the guy that's supposed to be supporting him either way today really interesting going down memory lane. And I know it was painful for skip over here by the lucky. Good to have, you know. Peterson said earlier this week that Carson Wentz is the eagles quarterback moving forward. But there are a couple of problems once has been injured the last two seasons. Nick foles can become a free agent. The eagles would need to pay foles twenty million dollars to keep him in. Brett farve says they should just do that. Take a listen. No disrespect in all Carson Wentz. I think he's already proven that. He is a great quarterback totally different than Nick foles. Nick foles to me is more of a a Brady esque type quarterback. You know, very very limited in in what he can do. But very very good in what he does. He's a pure pocket passer. And he's great addition it out, and he's proven that he's clutch. And he's proven that. He can win the big games. All right, Shannon, does far having point here. No, nobody's ever going to say Nick foles is Brady s and you see what happens when you win a game where he did know he's not he's not. Yeah. He did skip. Look, there's something to be said that a part of the process of the postseason play while the Reggie's chair less. We say that we make the same argument about dope. Flacco man once he gets to the playoffs give he's tainted five he has more role play I win than any quarterback in NFL history. But a part of the process of being a good quarterback is playing well in the regular season. Let's just say for the sake of argument's kill Joe flacco has not gone to in one Super Bowl, but he played consistently whale in the regular season. Do they take Lamar Jackson? Do they train making the first run to get joked? Lamar jackson. No, they don't don't compare. Joe flacco to Nick full. No, no, no. Because it's a real. It's how disrespect Nick fall because of wet Nick foles is accomplished in both the regular season. And. How about sixty eight touchdowns to thirty three interceptions in the regular season. Lambley Chartres who's got more playoff wins. We'll how about percentage of. Percentage of playoff game wins. I go with my thing is get he had that great season. He was twenty seven into that was the regular regular season. So I'm just trying to figure that skip. Why did Philly get rid of him? They're not getting rid of quarterback the world position. You know, do you know how many times mistakes get made at quarterback? Everybody's mistake show every draft every year. Everybody gets stuck with somebody. They shouldn't have hung onto or picked in the first place. Everybody say this was a mistake. Nick foles plays quarterback better than Carson Wentz has ever played quarterback. You can say it's in this offense. He did have one bad year. But it was under Jeff Fisher and Saint that office. But again, what about three years in Philly? What about other using Philly? Well, how about what happened at the end of the regular season this year? All of a sudden Carson Wentz had some little back issue. What you making Doug Peterson said, Nick? And so what happened they came to Los Angeles Sunday night, and they beat the high flying rans. And then they went home and they beat the Houston. Texans who were hot at that point. And then they kept it off at Washington and gets a division rival with another win and they slipped right into the back door the playoffs. Then they went to Chicago and beat the number one scoring defense in a playoff game in Chicago. And Nick foles is driving for the winning touchdown when the ball. Fortunately for the eagles goes right through Sean Jefferies hand in it took all the heat and pressure off eagles management. Now, they see their way clear, and I'm just speaking as a cowboy fan, I hope they make the mistake of just cutting bait would Nick foles. I hope they cut him loose because I will breathe easier. If Carson Wentz is the unopposed quarterback going forward. I hope he is. He is not taken a single postseason snap in his career. After all that. Nick foles has done in the last. Two years for this team in the postseason and at the end of the regular season. And when Brett farve says he's proven that he's clutch. He has all I know is that Carson Wentz lost twice Dallas this year. That's I saw that's that's so. Get you tell them now. Hold on wait a minute. You told me down of had a chance to go to get to the Super Bowl. So Lou to the team that could get to the Super Bowl that ashamed that you tell me the Carson Winston the best quarterback at least in the division. He wasn't in those two. He was out that Prescott. Now, we take a win. So now we'll value with the quarterback on a game by game bait. Well, with us know what I see just see Nick foles looked Brett farve. Exactly. Right. He is Brady because apart. He didn't have a great strands, buddy. You didn't have a big g-get arm. Let's give all he does is make throws and reads, and he making both is good. Memphis a five game stretch here. A four game stretch. Their other other pretty good stretches though. So what happens to what happens in the regular season? Would you don't get to that point? Like, I said sixty eight to thirty three is you can't find that. That doesn't grow on trees. You can't just go draft another guy. He's gonna go sixty eight touchdowns at thirty three six eight thirty three. So once even he had twenty seven and two so thirty one. So that'll be thirty five. Right. So in other seasons, he's thirty five and thirty one. That's not right. You said he sixty three thirty six thirty six thirty one off one. So that's what we we're gonna trae Cartha wins for quarterback at all the other season, which you start except that once even he's twenty seventy two or thirty six and thirty one I wish I might. Oh what day? Good luck. Because I told you from the start I didn't love Carson Wentz going into the draft. He didn't have the feel for playing the position that this guy. Does this guy was born to play quarterback in the National Football League? He just gets it. He Brett farve can see it. It's it's just what he it's Brady ask it's feel feel for how to operate an offense. Maybe it's Doug Peterson offense maybe the famous zero points in after the after the first quarter. What was what did you see at New Orleans? What was happening in the last whatever completion completion completion. Here's another wide. Sean. We get down to the final drive game had twenty one to twenty written all over it. And you're sitting in your painting. What about we do about this zero point eight yards to pigs? What am I supposed to do about that apple you know, what you're supposed to do about it? I told you over the last nine games New Orleans has the second best defense and all appropriate ball. They're really good. If you're should man there. A specially good in that you're that guy should matter. He put you in position to go win. Who have about a defense in Chicago, New Orleans. That's close close. Call fully beat Chicago defend the line. But he couldn't be New Orleans. He was about to beat them drop helped me out your. Right. But I need to know what happened in the second quarter in the third quarter. 'cause we should have been in that position. We had him on the rope. We had a fourteen nothing. Hey, what happened in the first quarter? It was fourteen and nothing because he was. Yeah. Out real quick now. And then he threw a jump ball that I thought Zakar should have gone up and jump foreign guy. But Marshon Lattimore made a hellish is-. Leaping intercept shoe in the gay these started. I think he started for what he start three games before games. The last three games of the season. He won all three one all three. He didn't qualify. But had he qualified he'd been twenty-first and yard for a temp twenty fifth and touchdown to interception ratio. Can I interested in how many how many wins gets wins? It's what he does Carson Wentz will not I hope so I hope they listen to you. You know what this kid Carson Wentz? He deserves to go on oppose next year. Don't back. Stop him. Don't buy the insurance policy. Don't pay Nick foles twenty million to stand on the sideline of just bait. I want I wanna see Carson Wentz alone. I want to Nick coal clean, Nick foles. I wanna see Nick foles watt on his own. And I hope he has it says. And if he doesn't what are you going to say what they should've kept him in Philip because see what's going to happen. What's going to have to have success outside of Philly? They should've kept him in Philly. But no if you that you should be able to do whatever you do. I only care about what happens in Philly, pardon me. But I'm just a cowboy. Stick with Carson where you are in. No how you gotta do win the division mister playoff win the division mister playoff. So that's just set in stone is go to Twitter fourteen. So next year. It's done. You will miss the playoffs capital, watch Caballo capital. I have the youngest team all appro football. You don't think they're going to get a little guy. Rodney one of the three wars coaches all the football. You don't go. Get a little worse. Motivate of him K coach winnebago it. Why did you do that? You keep telling me you go win spider him you had an opportunity that prove it my quarterback almost pulled your quota. Do nothing. He did do nothing you giving the ball. If they convert the Ford down stop them on third and from the twenty eight in my quarterback would have won that game. DA? Russia is rush shot at I won't you. What would you go? Told a cow, but you kind of up deeper the line. The line. We're not going anywhere. Give can you've been to the bar guy gift and ask him believed about asking leading not going anywhere, buddy. They get out of here. The cowboy de land. All I know is the Rams offense of line took DaMarcus Lawrence's soul. They put a which result. Will you grab a Boko? Yesterday. Jalen hurts announced that he is transferring to uh skips, Oklahoma Sooners. Shocker, Shannon, ah, we'll get his opinion and reaction next. Right. Hurts was twenty six two as a starter at Alabama. But he was replaced in his last in last year's national championship game by two tongue of Loa. Ultimately lost his starting job. The Sooners have the last two Heisman Trophy winners make Mayfield and Cuyler Murray. And we know that that's important is very impressive. I am also an Oklahoma fan having covered them, plenty, Shannon. How you feel about this one? Do you give her to to win the Heisman? Yeah. Taking the snap in college football. First of all to is coming back Trevor Lawrence who won the national championship the true freshman for Clemson tiger. They will be in the forefront. It's kim. I just don't believe he's proficient enough. Now, he'll get more opportunities to throw the football. But I just don't believe he's proficient enough in order to to to replicate what Baker Mayfield dead and again what calamari did this past season. I just don't see it happen. And you look at yet. He's twenty six in two. But skip the year. He lost the national championship game. Seven guys. Go in the first round Alabama. I seven seven. Komo scam. Had a great career. We wish him. Well, sorry didn't work out. But things happen, but not KOMO skip. And then you heard what Spencer now the new said they signed the number one quarterback coming out of Arizona, Phoenix. Yup. Phoenix rattler. Yeah. Coach Riley told me he's not taking any transfer quarterback anytime soon. What would spins Rattlers? Well, yesterday told the Zona Republic that he welcomes the competitions. A woman. Now he did. Rather disaster while room replying, Georgia. Austin Justin field will become an Oklahoma coach Riley told me he's not taking any transfer QB's anytime some. Do you think if Justin feels that go there, do you think he's coming? If you've was he? These say may code Rodney lied to me was he supposed to say sure, he welcome to competition. But that's not what if that was the case while we called rally need to reassure him that he's not taking any quarterback transfers if he wasn't competition. Bring it home brain Trevor Lawrence brain towards a lower. If that's if that's the way, you feel that you welcome competition. Why does the coach need to reassure you? He's not taking any grad transfer cubeys. Happe- with mainland. I'm gonna have fun winning heismans. On the university of Oklahoma is Heisman you. And I know it because the world is about to know what it's hard to win back to back with two different guys. Right mean Archie Griffin? Did it Ohio State once upon a time Reggie Bush Bush learn we took registered. All right. So you you play the measure questions when you go into the season you Heisman Trophy chips. I think ailing hurts is gonna lead us right back to the final. Alabama going to be working lives in Gobi. They'll probably be there to a week where we've been there in the last two years with our husband. Got it got moat. Whatever we didn't get smoked by Georgia smoking out. And we also added another new wrinkle to the coaching staff we actually hired a defensive coordinator who his name is Alex grinchey was the co defensive coordinator at the Ohio State with Gregg Shana last year. And maybe we'll have a symbol of a respectable defense. Because all the analysts say, we are recruiting like crazy successfully defensive players because last year our defense featured all stars from intramural teams at university. They're all kids who just walked on and said can we ply pay grants to bring them? A five stars divas the players to bring them with with Oklahoma. He got he ain't got them. The Grinch is gonna steal Alabama season. You excited about him. He's a name that I've been talking. For a while. Thank you. Most of the school and go to Oklahoma. Lamb. No, son. Is Lincoln Riley a wizard when it comes to quarterback may know? Yes, he is. So he will he would delight in taking Jalen hurts who was just a an average thrower the football Alabama. You could even argue is a little below average. Okay. Got yanked after a half of a national champion. Yeah. Should've but he did wind up with forty eight touchdowns only twelve interceptions. So I think he gets it. I think he knows how to play quarterback and he can run with the football that put linger routed to the Lincoln. Who would you rather have to Jalen hurts? What you say he'd probably take two, but he would prefer to take Jalen hurts to the Heisman Trophy. Because with that not be another third feather in his cap who just get another guy that high. Because they don't care. We like Highland. There will have to become running back there. Henry Mark Ingram. We hey, we gotta pain lined up. Yeah. We got twelve paint lined up. You know, what we might have like five heismans lined up in a row because if Jalen wins at next year, which I think is is not of the heart. I wouldn't put it past team is deep it. I know they're losing Hollywood Brown. He'll be a mid first round debate receive Alabama. Oh, you don't know that's questionable. Really it's hard to break down because they are so DiPoto Mer so deep, but when the bullet, Nicole. Listen Smith win over hundred yards. He's land. Check him out. Tell me he's not right. They would Jerry Judah. I can just keep going rugs. We are loaded at running back to we are deep. We are. And in Alabama Shuki in. Here's the only question is could the potential Heisman winner. Jalen hurts. Wait a second. Wait a second. Could he be beaten out by Spencer rattler because you're just sweeping him under the rug? He is I've been checking I only know from you too. But if you watched the YouTube packages he can wheel and deal he looks to me like a little bigger Cuyler Murray. That's how he plays football because he can fly and he can wing it and Spencer rattler is six to two hundred had some issue that cost him some games in high school this year at pinnacle high school and Phoenix, I don't know about that. But all I know is he was the number one quarterback recruit in the nation. And I'm here site that Jalen hurts is going to have a battle just to beat him out to get a chance to win the Heisman Trophy skip. I know what you're trying to do you trying to do keep their. Oh, ho for Jalen hurt. This you try to speak. It's not happening. I got a better chance to winning the house. Hey, this sees this offense this system. It is spectacular. What can happen? And obviously Baker Mayfield has lived up to his Heisman. Pro football Cuyler will live up to his Heisman and pro football next year. But Jalen hurts. He is going to be the beneficiary of explosion. I think you're gonna see a whole different player. It's hard to play quarterback for Nick. Realize Jalen hurts was the first true freshman ever start a quarterback at Alabama never hard. So he had the weight of the world on his shoulders in. It's all about not making mistakes in this offense. It'll be about making plays watch. He'll look like a different kid to you more about Alabama coaches, leave it. Well, it ain't easy play. It ain't easy playing or coach wreck off the coordinated the. Them louis. Maybe it's time for him to move on out as well. So in other words, you you ought to be easier path for you with a championship. I don't know Qossaibi retail. You'll get it right Willie. Thanks are coming back. Way to go luck with the show on the road and a home game next year. Get you here. I'll go back only Alko save Rolette railcar before we get cold saving on. Yeah. Yeah. I don't go sabre. That they to go down that was the rockets lost in overtime to the nets last night. But the story of the night James harden, he scored fifty eight points, join Wilt Chamberlain as the only players in NBA history with backtrack games with. At least fifty five points is also sport at least thirty points in eighteen straight games. Shannon. How impressive has hardened. Ben. Believable, a main average imported to a nine over his last eighteen games. And you remember they need all this. Because we remember where they're were starting from. They were dead in the water and not Chris Paul goes out with a hamstring a little bit before Christmas, Capello tears thumb. Eric Gordon been out in the Gordon came back last night in any game from good quality points in in in a minute. Yeah. Skip what he's doing the, you know, when we look at James said, he's not a fish. But give he's been extremely efficient skip he's averaging thirty five points in eight and a half assist on twenty three shots. Let's put that in perspective. Michael Jordan in nineteen eighty-seven skip. He averaged thirty seven points the game on twenty eight shots four and a half of the last guy to go on the street. Like what we're seeing right now with Kobe Bryant the two thousand five two thousand six season, which he had to eighty one point game. He averaged thirty five points on twenty seven shots on with four and a half. So James harden? If average in thirty five and a half the same numbers Koby getting four more cysts four fewer shots gives us unbelievable is and when you look out afforded stand in the last two games James harden gone for fifty seven and fifty eight with Vero fifty shots. Nobody gets today part. This is unbelievable. See, and when you talk about if he can keep this going skip. I think he's wear out and head of the VP race the Braga has to do some heavy lifting skill. He will have if the hundred meter race. He's gotta be using. This is a swim. Meet he got to be Michael failed. Skip James heart is out. He's way way out this. Unbelievable. I mean watching him last night James orange streak might be in trouble. And then the third quarter do go get twenty two eighty trouble. Gives us unbeliev-. I have seen anything not not not like this skill. Not like this. I mean, his three. He only twelve percent of his threes has been assisted twenty five of a hundred ninety nine threes. So basically is him stabbing. Pull up his unbelievable this this. We have seen anything like this not not not not giving the point here guys score points. But he's doling out eight and a half sister gate. That's the NBA. We don't see guys leading tiny Archibald with the lead of the last guy league imports and that way way back. I agree with everything you just said. And I wasn't that impressed with James last night. In the big picture. I'm never that impressed with James harden. Because obviously he is a statistical dream. There's never been anything quite like him. He is the fantasy Michael Jordan basketball. They do whoever got Jay Williams. Zang. Jordan and trust me, his GM. Daryl Morey had to be happy with the loss last night only because they attempted an NBA record seventy three point shots seven three point shots and Daryl Morey love statistical. Wow. Because the stat community the second level stack. Munity will be impressed. This you took seventy three's last. How do you get up that? I don't know. And he got up nineteen himself. So maybe just maybe his left arm. Just got worn out down the stretch because here's free throw. I know he does and he makes his free throw. And that's thirty six. Wow. Thank you. Here's why I wasn't impressed with five twenty nine left in the basketball game. This is in Houston against the nets. And the nets are much improved. They are still a force. But with five twenty nine left in the game. The Houston Rockets were up fourteen. If James harden is that guy, you just gotta get it home. And I know he's playing insanely high minutes, and he's I'm sure he's just running out of gas. He's on fumes. But somehow if you're that guy, you just get that home. They were up eight with a minute nine left. You just gotta get that home against the nets at home, right? Six seconds. Okay. And then in overtime, they're up seven with a minute twenty eight left on fumes outta gas. I get it. But you keep having these chances Judah slam the door on the net. When he when he kicked the ball to the guy with a three point shot skip. And it went up by seven. I turned the TV I turn back, and I'm like, no. Know how how this up one well at the regulation Spencer Dinwiddie who got paid about a month ago hill and got more money. Number second round pick out of Colorado. He made three threes in the final twenty six seconds of regulation. That's hard to do. He made three that's nine points. They scored Bom. Reggie Miller gives the Nick he did. And he turned the weapon that Daryl. Morey loves so much on Darrow MAURICE teen. Yes. Because it's hard to score nine and twenty seconds. But he did. So that tied the game and Senate to overtime. But what I'm saying is in the big picture. I listen, I'm in all of what James harden is doing because his skill level is just supreme Chris Broussard made the point the other day, he's not supremely athletic. It's not like he's a mad dunker where he's just like bullying people. He doesn't have LeBron's Braun. Lebron right? He doesn't have that power that that that leaping ability. But that his skill level. And he's perfected the step back where it's on guard -able Garda because he'll still the way he can stay. Back sometimes he'll step directly. Sometimes he stills back to the side. So there's really no way in looks. Like, you found him they call it. They're gonna call it. Okay. But in the big picture, the reason I can't buy completely in. I've never bought into his mental toughness. Does he have that killer? Any does he have that assassin? I think he's got dog in him as far as just game to game dog. But but in the end when you're at home against the nets, you know, and I know there are certain players in the history of this game. Who would just say, that's it. It's over you're not gonna do it to us in our house tonight is not very often. Skip you have a night light Jayme horn having you lose the bear night. You remember I think it was ninety four ninety nine might have been ninety five Jordan doing first game back. He went for sixty four and they lost at the shack of a month. And sometimes that can happen the way they don't have Clint cappella, right? So Jared Allen for the nets had twenty four rebounds last night. Built he did. And but if Clinton is there, he's not getting twenty four rebounds. He just not. So again, the nets have that advantage of size and height event. Yup. They did. And the nets there now five hundred twenty three and twenty three. So they are respectable. And they are getting a little better by the beginning. Then got bad team not a bad team. And they could be a factor on the eastern their coach is something. Good. How achim? Yeah. He bitch. The Angelo the Angela bad game. He's four of eleven. He went with the the guy from Miami. I forget his name. What's the? The point guard. Skip Shabazz Napier. No, no, no. The the white. I don't know which one you mean, Joe hair. Yeah. Joel hair. Joe Harry's home Joe Harris, brought it home. He's like hold on. I'm looking at this going up and down to. That's what got Houston in trouble skill. They wouldn't give all you have to do is guard one or two possessions, you up give you have six points with thirty seconds ago. And you can't get that home in regulation. If you got. Making threes or great. But what happened when the game get close, and you're not used to guarding anybody. Guess what happens? They go EV buckets easy. Buckets get you be at the you play a game like this. But I don't care what anybody say seventy three two minutes out care. What anybody say what the analytic say unless you hit fifty of. Thirty three percent of them start doing the math because every time you make win. It's three institute. Right. That was coach K college level. He said, wait a second. This is going way back. I'm gonna shoot that shot a whole bunch of time because I'm gonna beat you mathematically before this night is over right James harden to shoot I mean, every every it's not like any of his thing. His his field goal percentage about the same. Yeah. He's thirty eight percent for the. Oh, I mean when you look at it eighty six percent three free throws. That's that's really good. But of thirty five point skip. He makes ten three ten free throws a night any makes fifteen points from the three point line night. So he's getting twenty five hundred thirty five from the free throw line into three. I'm in all. I need to see when it matters because you know, and I know he said too, many playoff just mounts. If point is that when we talk about offense, and we talk about Jordan, we talk about Kobe. And now James harden looney mention wheel because in order for us to have a discussion. We got exclude him because it was we dismiss him because it almost felt unfair. What he was doing. Right. So you mean to tell me he has his many thirty point gains. If you take Jordan Colby hard, Katie step. Lebron Elgin Baylor rig vary. They have the same number of thirty point games. We'll Chamberlain a hundred and thirty one. Impossible for Hinson visit here guys the Lakers. Would you say it again fitting shell on gonna put the clamps owner? Keeping going he'll guard him. We'll see what he can do that matchup. Do he get he get forty five forty five. Let me think about it till tomorrow. Shoot shoot a bunch of. Thanks for listening to the at podcast. I'm Jenny Taff. Kevin Hart joins the show tomorrow. So be sure to catch us at the same time tomorrow morning nine thirty eastern CNN. Of mine.

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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 3 (05-17-19)

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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 3 (05-17-19)

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This is Dan Patrick to traeger, meet Friday. Got the grills all fired up here, boys are ready to go the three on three league that we have of the danettes nearly lost a Dan at earlier this morning as Seton O'Connor went down in a heap. I'm sure highlights will be on sportscenter coming up the not so top ten plays as seat went down in a heap. I don't know if we have the audio of this now we have the video of this. But if you listen to this poly do. We have this was Seton going down. Yeah. We should have the when you call it. They'll fire. Okay. So they're, they're planning to onto its mclovin and fritzy. Paulie? And seton? And if you're in your car just turn up the volume just a little bit, and you're going to hear a little guy go down in a heap. Cool. That was Seton going down in a heap. Let's hear it. One more time. Wow. That sounds painful. Yeah. But you didn't face plant I thought you've you've faced plan. I it looks like I did it, especially because of the way that my face like bounce back. It's pretty hilarious. I think somehow my wrist broke the fall because that's really the only thing that I could feel right now. I just I can't lose you guys for the show just. There's enough injuries and illness and all that on my side of the glass here. I don't need any more on your side now. So do your best. And I will I think for warn you here in he'd my advice, I would not draft for talent. I draft for cardio, I draft people who are in shape because judging from what I've seen. There aren't many people who are in shape in this three on three league. Yes, Boeing, I liked that someone in shape on my team, but like riding peleton bike and hitting a jumper from eight feet is a big difference. Like I believe I could keep going, but and I'm not shape input. I can't shoot a basketball I need someone could shoot. I just want to want to know how you going to feel after that first game because you guys are going to go all out and then that next day you're going to be going. Oh my God. I'm sore where I didn't know I could have a travel day. There's no travel to know. Yes, mclovin. What's the ruling on foul shots? That's the foul shots. You call your own phones. Oh boy. And then after you call it, then you get the ball man. This is going to be it's going to be like the end of, we're one battle, and this is over could be could be tensions could could rise could flare a little bit here. Yes. So not half point foul shots. If you know someone slaps you and you're gonna know. And it's not make it take it either. It's two seven minute. Halves. There's one minute for halftime. That's it. We're gonna televise this. There will be replace available to me. If I ask for replay, then I get replay on the Commissioner because I needed replay yesterday when you call it a phantom Fallon, fritzy. And he admitted he hit my hand. I would I would have said play on. I wouldn't I wouldn't have said that was a founder be one of those sportsmanship commercials where he admits teams, we're going this way. Thanks for a minute young man. Now we lost the whole championship because you lie. What's that kid comes over to the huddle or tugs? You says, hey it was out on me, then they're like, oh practice. Good sportsmen. Yes. Sportsmanship pass it on. And that commercial thirty seconds longer to cut. Thanks a lot. Philip long. Yeah. Is is friends yelling at him. Loser sportsmanship. You can watch the PGA championship on TNT starts in about two hours, one PM eastern stream additional coverage on PR live dot com. Well, it might feel like foregone conclusion. But the blazers made the warriors work last night, Golden State came back to win it one fourteen one eleven down fifteen at halftime down seventeen at one point now up two games to none. But the head coach of the blazers, Terry Stotts says the Golden State Warriors didn't steal this. I don't know if they still thought they played like a championship team. Would here at home. They made plays in the last three minutes. And we didn't they've been at this a long time. They played a lot a lot of games together. And they there isn't anything. They haven't seen and Steve Kerr said, we feel like we dodged a bullet here. Klay Thompson had this to say if the Golden State Warriors, miss Kevin Durant. Well, we miss them. That's obvious to see and does not change my approach Scott to go out there and play, my style, basketball, just Hofer speedy recovery. It's unfortunate, but it's part of the game and will desperately need them to three peat. I'll secret about that. What I saw last night is the role players with Golden State stepped up and that's really important because you don't count on it. But when you get it, it's such an added bonus there because Steph was unbelievable again. I don't know. I guess it took Katie getting injured for us to realize once again, just how great Steph curry is because lost in the shuffle here because there for a little while he was the best player in basketball. And then we moved on then it was Westbrook than it was harden. And now it's the Greek freak, K D, I guess, in there for a little while. But we forget when Steph curry is on when he when he can be great. He is. He these different than anybody else in the history of the game tonight, raptors bucks. That'll be game to the Greek freak. I don't know if he thought this when LeBron left, but I think he feels that, that right now the east is a lot easier because LeBron's not in the east. This is the Greek freak, not on ninety. When this is gonna be found some now not on that jazz. Just know that he's tough lid was probably guessed that gives the Cavs and nine with the guests who is going to be little bit easy. I see that's open. But. Now the back and feel. I went is definitely opening now. Lebron days, not trying to go through him. Yup. Not having LeBron. There helps out considerably not that the raptors aren't a very good team. But LeBron, that's certainly a difference maker. Do you know where the Greek freak gained his popularity? You can look back on one night, one moment that lasted about thirty minutes. And you could pinpoint where America realized how good the Greek freak was and the story of the Greek freak. Do you remember when stormy Daniels was profiled on sixty minutes? And you remember it was two segments. So about thirty minutes on stormy Daniels. Who you know is a adult entertainment star in his accused of having or reportedly had an affair with the President Trump. They do this sit down with her and do you know who the third segment was featured on the Greek freak? All these people probably had no idea about the Greek freak, and you're watching, and that was one of the more highly viewed sixty minutes and here you have the Greek freak who was at the tail end of sixty minutes. And I think that, that's where he America got introduced to basketball fans knew about him bid, even then you know it was more hard core fans who watched him play. You may have seen the highlights, but that's where I think you might have had a coming out party for the Greek freak because he was on sixty minutes. And it was when you had a lot of eyeballs on that show that night, probably go back. All right, mclovin, the poll question give the results from the first poll question the first question was would you let an NFL player who's busted for being dis into the hall of fame. Fifty eight percent said, yes, they would let them into the hall of fame say, same result for MLB really except exactly opposite. Would you let an MLB player was busted for PD's? Into the hall of fame. Fifty eight percent say no, I think these results are kind of not skewed. I think they're the wrong, I don't think people really know what to do like, in theory, cheating cheating, but it seems like in retrospect, like you'll never forget that Roger Clemens isn't accused cheater, or Barry Bonds, you'll easily forget that in Tonio gates or we have have. Yeah. You'll hang easily forget that Patrick Peterson is accused cheater. Why the sport one is about record the numbers and you're not supposed to lift weights and be a warrior in baseball and football's like whatever you whatever you need to stay on the field. I'm cool with that. Just keep hitting each other. I don't think we're bothered by football players if they test positive I don't think we blame them, and I'm speaking from my first of all my standpoint is I don't think we look at them and go, but they're cheating it. Feels like you almost have to do this just to survive out there to stay on the football field. Not that everybody does it and that's the dangerous part is when you allow others. Or look the other way with others doing it, then you're almost forcing other players who may not want to do this to do it Patrick Peterson who would have ever thought, as, as let athletic as he was coming out of college at LSU that you'd go man, he needed a little pick me up her here or was it come back from an injury. I mean, 'Antonio gauges a physical freak Julius peppers might be as athletic as any player who's ever played this game. And they use them. Now that, that's what's interesting about this. Patrick Peterson is an unbelievable and lead, but at twenty nine and he's on his way to being a hall of Famer. So I, I don't know. I think it's kind of interesting that, you know. You know, you and then he met with the media, but then his PR, people said, don't ask him anything about this. This is just I just got this from Bob mcmanamon, and he's the Zona Republic reporter. Yes, we were told he would be making a brief statement about this suspension, if we had questions to please, keep them charity related, or they would yank, Patrick Peterson off the red carpet. Patrick Peterson was in a decent mood though. So we just read the room as it were got him to answer a few suspension related questions, anyway, although there were two charity questions, if I recall, okay, we, we were curious if somebody because they were they were trying to intimidate these writers there. I what if the fluorescent? Yeah. Okay, we'll keep it shared related. When you were taking PD's to help your career was it all about the kids. There you go. You're asking about the charity, one of these days, somebody might come forward and say, all right. You know what sit down? Let me tell you how this works. This is what I did. This is where I got it. And these are the benefit of former NFL player said to me, because I said, why did players didn't take them it goes because they work that was it. It was so sustained it was worth the risk. Okay. You're going to sit me down for six game. Now it's going to cost Patrick Peterson a couple of million dollars here. But I mean who would have thought Patrick Peterson as athletically, gifted his he is? I don't know if he is battling an injury or anything mclovin, but at age twenty nine at that position defensive back, I guess so I haven't read about an injury. The other thing, too, is like we say as twenty nine why do we, I'm assuming everyone in high school. College pros, I think. These guys are taking steroids at every level probably, yes. But everybody, but it's big in highschool. I I've heard to really big because you can go on the web and you can get it. You, you could order it right now before the end of the show in probably get it delivered to you. That's how easy it is. If you know where to go, and what happens is somebody gets teammate gets it says. Hey, I got this, and this is what it costs. This is how you get it. And you get teams who are using this, and the only, you know, the scary, part of that is, there's no adult supervision. At least in the NFL you could afford somebody who can help you, you know what they get is. They'll have somebody who will look at their urine. I mean they'll look at everything they'll look at Aboul movement specimen to see what is in it. They wanna see what passes through your system, and what is going to be a red flag. But you can afford that. And that's what they do you can afford great doctors to help you with that to oversee that. Yeah. Mclovin. And what's scary about what you say is? I don't think that PD's at the NFL level or that, that dangerous to their health, probably. But in high school, they're probably using more recklessly. It's you're prone to depression in high school. That sounds really scary. When you we always talk about I don't have a problem with NFL player going with PD's, but I do recognize PD's our problem does that make sense. Yeah. I understand what you're saying. I it's just if a is in high school, and they go I wanna look like that. How do I look like that? I've been lifting weights. I've been eating the right things. And then somebody says you're stupid, just take this. And then you combine all of that because used to be this was the excuse, I would get sometimes baseball player. Man. I guy works out a lot, though. Well you don't want when you use performance enhancing drugs. It's easier to work out like a madman that helps you recover. You know, it's, it's, it's a slippery slope that we've gone down in some of these leagues and players association, the unions. They allowed it to happen. It's a shame because you look at players guilty until proven innocent. And that's not what I grew up with Yan. Mclovin. You're pretty rip these days you work out a lot with. I'm not saying, I'm accusing you of any of them to say that you have a lot of stamina for working out. Curious, I did think about taking h h I did ask about it because of all the, you know, the arthritis that I had I, I was going for stem cell. I would have done whatever it would take. I mean, I, I would I didn't care. But then I'm not you know, testing p-, I wouldn't have been here to say. Let me tell you about the benefits unless, I had adult supervision. And a lot of people are on H h, but they have adult supervision. I would have done it. Absolutely. If I if I could have. There's like, no reason that you can't. It's not illegal. Yeah. But you guys might look at me differently and that matters more, whether it's legal or not, I want you to realize that I built this broadcasting hall of fame or consideration. I know I haven't been put in the broadcasting hall of fame, if you were accused of voice enhancing drugs, or hair enhancing drugs, then I think I would be I would I would be crushed. Whether certain broadcasters, who you can add, compression, to the microphone, we know those guys, and it can give you a fuller voice, and that would be that's performance enhancing when you say, well, let's put it this way, if a broadcaster, let's say worked on his show where he had a benefit of a better, Mike system and the rest of the people on air, did not do then he's gaining an unfair advantages because you already have a good voice, especially in comparison us. But if you tweaked your microphone and make it thick and rich. Yeah. Yes, mclovin. Yeah, but all the pop artists today their voices are completely modified in production and we don't hold that against them. Do I do. I do. Yeah. Goes I'm member hearing, the back hall of a popular singer. And I went oh my God. And, you know, so I'm hearing just her voice, and I went, oh, well that, that didn't sound good. But through the, you know, through whatever they did to make it sound better. It was like, oh, man, she sounds really good. And then you hear it where it's all stripped, down now, maybe not maybe not that great, Cody Bellinger, is going to join us coming up. I mentioned that he's off to a start that very few of had in the history of the game. Fifteen homers and batting over four hundred the fifth player in baseball history. With at least fifteen homers and a four hundred batting average through forty five games in a season. Mickey Mantle did it. 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That was nineteen sixty nine for the Padres, some fans feel the franchises cursed because their manager, Preston Gomez back in one thousand nine hundred seventy lifted clay Kirby after eight no hit innings against the New York Mets and didn't stay into complete the no hitter. I've been around for a couple of no hitters. I got to see. Any Holtzman of the cubs throw. No hitter against the reds. And I remember Johnny bench trying to bunt. I think it was the seventh inning. And people were like you don't try to bunt to ruin a no hitter. I go hell yes, you do. Like what are the rules? You gotta get a solid base not. No. I just want to break up the no hitter and I think that one thousand nine hundred seventy one with Kenny Holtzman. Yeah. Poll. I seem to remember me and I gotta have to look this up. I think it was Nolan Ryan six no hitter in a late eighties. Early nineties, some guy a blanket, I may have been on the White Sox. Try to lay down a bunt in the seventh inning. And I remember the Nassar. Oh, Nolan Ryan's gonna light this guy up on the next pitch. Because the neck he missed the bunt, and I don't know if Nolan dropped him, but he the, the Nassir like he's gonna drop them. You never try to bunt on Nolan Ryan even if it wasn't a no hitter. You just didn't try to bunt on Nolan Ryan because he would buzz the tower. Absolutely, no, no hesitation whatsoever with run. And then Jim Maloney. Threw a no hitter for the Cincinnati Reds, but it's not fun to be around a no hitter from the first to like the seventh or eighth inning in. And then after that, you know, it's a great event from the eighth inning on, it's interesting. Even if your team is being no hit, but to, to sit there and watch a Rick wise, threw a no hitter and I believe hit two home runs against the Cincinnati Reds. I don't know if that's ever been done before. But maybe Tony Cloninger or he had a no hitter. And then a grand slam. But maybe you guys could check that in the back row. I know you guys are working on your three on three rosters here, but I'm actually looking eclipse team falling on his own. It's gotta catching fire. We, we came up with the logo here, and, you know, the, the logo is Jerry West in the NBA made. It just looks great. And we came up with our logo, and it's it Seton, O'Connor falling making a backdoor cut and then falling in nearly face planting, I like that is the new logo of the three on three league. We have here. Yes, you our TV staff in LA has pointed out an amazing coincidence. We were just talking about, obviously. I just bit earlier out there on the court, and it's great. And you also wants to take my head off or almost did with a golf club. Gets the last time I wore the same shirt was the same day mission to face a coffee club. At last day, I wore it. Oh my God. I have a hard time watching that I'm going to have to get rid of this one. I think. Oh, gosh. Yeah. I would retire that. Let me frame that. That was bad. And then if you're watching. Oh. Cool. We'll let me hear it one more time. Golly, I don't know how you didn't get hurt. Full full. One year old just learning to walk. I like how we're all so concerned. Everybody's laughing at you as you, you hit the floor. See I had this really nice back door X situation going on. And then mclovin is cold blooded. He got the ball. Loose ball, went to the, the key found line extended, and then hit a jumper with you right underneath the basket. By way. I had already had the ball in my hand for about four seconds by time seeing made that back door. Was it exactly? Your phone calls are welcome. Eight seven seven three DP show Email address, TPS, Dan, Patrick dot com. I believe the dodgers in Cincinnati and Cody Bellinger. Yeah. They got the reds coming up tonight. What would what would you do? You know, went sometimes when you're on a team and you go, I wonder how I would do against Clayton Kershaw. If you're Cody bellinger's, they're part of you. That goes, I wouldn't mind getting up there, taking a couple of wax. Adam. Can they do that in spring like an simulated game or anything do you think Bellinger ever said? All right. Let's give you some heat give me some the hook. I don't know. It's one of those be careful be careful. What you ask for it. Imagine, you know, a teammate Sandu Nolan Ryan. I'm like to get in there against you buzz the tower on you. Are we got our poll question there? Eight seven seven three DP show Email address, t-, pit, Dan. Patrick dot com. I mentioned Brooks KEPCO with what he's done with the sixty three yesterday also had a sixty three in the PGA championship last year though, that's you know, twice he said sixty three's and Brooks kept a tiger. Tiger is impressed. That's, that's when I was taking note because he said, you know, he left a couple of shots out there. Brooke skeptic could've shot a sixty one yesterday but shooting a sixty three yen. Pulling the scores. Aren't that great? So far today, Daniel Berger. Dustin Johnson doesn't Johnson's hot today. Tommy Fleetwood, they're all fleet with about a tee off. They're all around, minus three minus two KEPCO is teeing off after lunch. One forty nine pm eastern. He's minus seven yeah. The conditions are nice there's as sunshine but you know, these guys when they had the ability to fire at the pins. Then they usually do some damage. They did yesterday. Yeah, mclovin. Any idea on the cut has anyone seen anything. I got Tony female, plus two, that's probably not going to do it, right. Yeah. Might yeah. I mean, a lot of guys are right in. In that mix. He's tied for fifty one. I think the scores will come back to earth here a little bit, and usually does over the weekend. Paulie paalea this day in sports history while we just want second to locate Cody Bellinger. I thought it was on this day that Michael Jordan won the rookie of the year. Does that sound right? Every third day in history. There's either Michael Jordan or a Yankee at this time of the year. It UCS something to do with the bulls in Michael Jordan. But I think yeah, mclovin it is way too much Yankees in this day and sports history. I want to throw that out okay, here, here's a couple nine hundred sixty eight Frank Howard hit his eighth home run in five games. Hank Aaron in nineteen seventy the ninth player to get three thousand hits. Nineteen eighty seven Eric sleepy Floyd of the Golden State Warriors set a playoff record fit for points in a single quarter. Oh, and he seven twenty nine. Why really back at the time didn't he put up fifty one in a game and then nineteen ninety eight David Wells to thirteenth player in major league baseball to throw a perfect game nine thousand nine hundred and he said that he was hungover roughed up. I think when he because that was a day game that he threw in David Cone gonna be with us. Fritzy. I believe Monday or Tuesday in New York is that sound is correct? Yeah. Kony's got a no hitter, right? Did he throw one hit a perfect game cone? I thought it was that in Kansas City. We should check this this day in sports history brought to you by the great folks at continental tire. They have a tire for what you do. The award winning EKO plus technology in the cross contact LX twenty they will gain miles, save you money. Also, providing the what breaking grip and all season traction you need for any sport season. For more information visit continental tire dot com. Yes. Cohen had a perfect game July. Eighteenth nineteen ninety nine just a year and two months after David Wells had his for the keys. Randy Johnson have won four Coney had one of the great curb balls, though. When you get to sit behind home plate. I just can't imagine. Because sometimes when you're watching even on TV it's different and I go back to one of those games I saw him into white Gooden was pitching. And it was around this time it was early may and the Expos were in town at shea and and I went out for an afternoon game. And it was kind of cold and Dennis Martinez was pitching for the Expos and watching. Do I? Good and throw Hanley through fastball and curveball and I, I actually felt sorry for the Expos because I don't I think they went to the plate, and they were like let me just get it over with here. And I don't wanna Phalle one often have my, my hands vibrating here. Yeah. Pulling in the modern era the fewest pitches in a perfect game. David Cone, Eighty-eight pitches. Ten strikeouts. Most guys are ninety one hundred hundred and fifteen for even with a perfect game. And there's so much luck that goes into it, when you think about it because some of the greatest pitchers in baseball history. Never through no hitter. They had great performances dominating performances. I think Clemens he didn't have one. I don't think he does did Steve Carlton have one. I wonder if you look at the most wins in baseball history. How many no hitters came out of that grouping because there are a lot of pedestrians who have thrown no hitters, probably the most is Don Larsen. Threw a perfect game in the World Series in that was followed by the great headline the imperfect man throws the perfect game. We discussed. This before. But do you think you'd rather hit? Four home runs in four at bats in a game or perfect game. Throw a picture perfect. Pitch perfect. Both pretty rare but it's called a perfect game. Yeah. But isn't four home runs in four at bats the perfect you can't do any more as a hitter. What if you have an error, who I get the plate? You were perfect. Your four four if you're pitching and you went, you know, perfect twenty-seven up twenty-seven down. I don't think people are gonna go. Yeah. What did he do at the plate? But I guess you could have a perfect game at the plate. If you said four pitches if I saw four pitches hit four home runs, then I might be a little bit different. But I'm curious if you look at the top winners of all time, I know, Nolan Ryan, of course, leads in sandy Koufax had no hitters. Yes. Mclovin, you're right about Carlton. He'd never had a no hitter, but led the NL all time in one hitters. At least a while back the all time one hit ever leaders are Nolan Ryan. And bought feller. Yeah. Did they have twelve? Yep. Yeah. Isn't that amazing? It's like Jack Nicklaus. How many times did he finished runner up in a major? I think it was twelve one eighteen majors. But I think he finished second or tied for second twelve times. Yeah. Paulie? Jack Nicklaus finished second in nineteen. Oh, let's see one twenty five twenty five percent of those. Yeah. By Ricky Williams leads the NFL in one hitters. To loud. He's a huge dagger advocate. And I'm not so sure the Ricky Williams leads in one hitters. I don't know. See this is what happens when you are stalling for Cody Bellinger through ever. Mike Tyson came on and told us about his we'd camp about a month ago that was that was a while to plus, you know, when Tyson would laugh, it would be in these places where they weren't funny. Like it didn't call for laugh, you'd be joining us down. The Dan petro Mike Tyson and he. And then on ask him a question then he would just clam up. If I said, hey, Mike, do you remember Mitch blood green? He did have a great time with us. But, you know, that's where you need to interview him. You have to be face to face with Mike and instead of over the phone because it feels like you know, his mind can wander a little bit. And it may have been wandering at that point. I'm the widely fan. Want to talk about my career not free ethnic? I don't. I don't even want to talk about boxing. How about you find code Cody Bellinger, and leave the Mike Tyson, Mike Tyson's accent. You lost Bellinger, and Mike Tyson. Going to take a break last call for phone calls. We'll close up shop and we hope to hear from Cody Bellinger. I only talk about boxing, I only talk to me about. Right back after this. Everybody's got it to do this. I get one for my wife drop off, the dry, cleaning pick-up, some milk figure out something to get out of the house, so I can relax, here's an idea. Let's add save hundreds of dollars on car insurance. The good thing you don't have to drop off or pick up anything. All you have to do is go to Geico dot com and fifteen minutes. You could be saving fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Do you like extra money in your pocket? Do you like not having to drive somewhere to pick something up? This is a way to do it. It just may be the most rewarding thing on your to do list today. That's Geico dot com. Stay tuned for sixty seconds of ABC news headlines, right after this podcast. Close up shop. Here's we always do a little arcade fire. Sing along. If you want everybody, fritzy gets sing along. If you missed any of the interviews from this week in the Mercedes G, man cave. Just go to the damn Patrick show app where you can watch, and listen from inside the Mercedes AM G, man cave, Mercedes AM g driving performance not sure for going to locate Cody Bellinger. But looks like maybe maybe another time. Yeah. These things bummy out is to get the noise. Me. Well, it's good thing. It's not a Friday and you carry it into the weeknd. That's maybe there's a legitimate experts. You tried you tried to. When you get things like someone's FILA sleep when they forgot they got the time zone. I've heard all the stories it's just straight time zone is always the one that I find interesting because you're very meticulous. And when you say, hey, this is when we're on, and it's always east coast time. I'll even get. Why are you putting ET end? The word Easter next. Because you got to be extra extra careful that no one's going to misread. That's not the situation in this case. Yes, paulie. If it makes you feel better. Frank. Cameron feels bad for you. I appreciate that for a couple of phone calls all Tilly, and Bloomington, high Tilly. Welcome back. What do you have force? Hey Dame first off, man. Six two and a half. Big happy belated birthday this week. Yeah. On the poll question. I definitely have to put a hard. No one that I mean, you can't put somebody in use Pini with what might show with people trying kids trying to come up into play baseball majors, put on them. They have maybe try and do it in the future. Kolja. No, I think that, that's the dangerous part is what is it say to the next generation coming up? Are you supposed to do it? And thanks for the phone call till in the birthday wishes. I go back to, you know, friend of mine his daughter was dating somebody in the minor leagues. And we were just talking about performance enhancing drugs in the pressure to use performance enhancing drugs, and he said, I don't really feel that much pressure because we have a drink that we take that, if you take your cycling on, then you take this drink and it'll mask the PD's, and I'm figuring this is a minor leager, who I believe was in AA at the time if they're doing it because they're far. Are more rigid is, you know with drug testing in the minor leagues than they have been in the major leagues. And he said, no, we have a drink that we can take and that it'll mask this. So we don't end up testing positive and they started drug testing in the minors. I think three or four years before the the big leagues, like maybe. Oh one, but I'm telling you, if I were a minor leager, who's making thirty three grand a year, and then to get to the PROST you could take something that you may or may not get caught with and all of a sudden the next year you're making five hundred and fifty grand twelve times your salary. I can't imagine why you wouldn't. But then, that's where you had these players who come in from other countries. They're just trying to get out of poverty, and whatever it takes to get out of that to get into the major leagues. Get drafted by somebody, you know, they're going to do it. I'm looking at. Great, great pitchers who never had a no hitter. How does Greg Maddux not have a no hitter? You would have thought, although you know what man extent Maddox wanted you to beat yourselves. He wanted you to make contact because he figured the less pitches. I throw the better for me and he wanted. That's why he was such a great fielder because he was waiting for you to hit the ball back to him. Maddox Clemens Carlton Don Sutton. Tom glavin got imagine that, you got over six hundred wins between glavin and Maddox and no no hitters. But these are these guys with three hundred wins. And there's there's quite a few of that. Never threw a no hitter. Brian in New York joins us. Hi, brian. What do you have for me? Danny six feet. One ninety seven. Just curious if, if you were to play professional sporting event against your brother. How much smack would you talk to them? I don't know if I would if it was on a professional level Brian, because, you know, it would be business. But, but if I'm in the backyard, and I'm playing one on one with my brother may, whether whether it's baseball or basketball, then, you know, I'm going to have some, some smacktalk. I don't know of Steph and Seth had any smacktalk I'm gonna guess they didn't last night. That's one of those where you wait until the off season. And then Seth can say, hey, you know what I picked your pocket? I'd four steals against you in then Steph, just says scoreboard, but at least, you know, you get a moment, if you're Seth curry going against your brother, but with my brothers, probably not in the moment, you know, if it was on this level, with this stakes this, I know I don't I don't think so, mclovin. Final results of the poll question, would you let a PD user into the MLB hall fame? Fifty nine percent say no. Yeah, it seems like that's the way it's going NFL guys are gonna get in, and they'll be won't. Well, I'm waiting for a whole to say if in the hall of fame can say this, the baseball hall of fame could say this because they, they run the hall. They could just say, hey, here's the deal if you test positive you're not, we don't want you in the hall of fame now there's no rule. But, you know, the hall of fame looks at it and says, this is a museum. I know we get caught up in numbers. I do. I certainly did. I always wanted. Hank Aaron to be protected because it felt like there were guys who were cheating, and Hank Aaron to me was just consistent throughout his career. Never hit fifty home runs. He had three thousand hits. He didn't play in big media markets. He played in Milwaukee, Atlanta, and for some reason, I wanted to protect Hank Aaron nobody else. It was Hank Aaron I always thought about when bonds was hitting all these home runs. And I thought Hank Aaron is still the all time home run champ in my opinion. And I look at these numbers. They're not treasured numbers anymore to me. I don't get caught up in if Jean Carlos Stanton hit sixty whatever I don't care. No, all appreciate it. But, you know, there's always skepticism that I'm going to have. But as far as the hall of fame if you wanna put him in, I still believe, in telling the story of baseball and the hall of fame if you wanna put bonds in there was he a great player. Everybody admits even though I think there's a fault to this logic a hall of Famer before he cheated. No, you're you're, you're based. You know, your accomplishments is your body of work here. It's not you know half of it. He was hall of Famer you don't get into the halfway hall of fame here. And so sponsor a hall of Famer because I believe he used steroids at the end of his career. No, he's not a hall of Famer you wanna put him in great. Tell the story of Barry Bonds and show the pictures side by side. What he looked like when he was in Pittsburgh. And when he was in San Francisco, wonderful player. Tremendous player, but he felt the need to hit home runs and wanted to show McGwire and Sosa every bit buddy else. Oh, you think that's like, that's how you detect or denote, somebody's a great baseball player. I can do that. And he did if Bunge would've done that is entire career. He would hit one thousand home runs. His his hand eye coordination was unsurpassed. You couldn't sneak something new the strike zone. Unbelievable. But he wanted to show that if this is what you're getting paid to do. Any made a lot of money, probably made more money in three or four years in San Francisco than he did previously in pittsbur- Manto. Yeah. When he was in Pittsburgh. He was, you know, thirty four home runs thirty nine stolen bases. Thirty three home runs. Fifty two stolen bases. And hitting three ten three eleven three thirty six hit three MVP's before he got to VP's before it got to the giants. The only thing he couldn't do didn't have an arm. He wasn't you didn't have a strong arm, but but he could do everything else, just a tremendous player, but these numbers I don't get caught up on the numbers anymore. Like there's nothing that's treasured anymore. I mean I look at Pete Rose with skepticism. Do we know he was clean, if he did all of this other stuff? Do I that all of us? Sudden, Pete's going go. No. I, of course, I wouldn't use steroid he had friends who were in the drug business. Now who are bodybuilders? I don't you can't be naive and I was naive guilty guilty charged. And, you know, I have to look at it, unfortunately, what I you know, growing up that would be at least had a period of innocence where I'm watching, and I just got to just watch the game I didn't worry about what you did off the field. I didn't worry about, you know, if you know abused women or you druggie your drank, or I just watched sports, and it was so nice because now there's so much involved in it. You got guys. I don't like that guy. Because of in. It's something off the field or off the floor Vinnie Indiana. Hi vinny. When you have for me today. Hey. Yeah. Well, I was looking to play special baseball with -ffiliated program for three years. And on the steroid issue. I mean, it's something that my organization person, I think we hit it pretty well. I didn't really hear a lot of in room. But I know a lot of guys. I mean they get offered steroids. Pretty regularly. It's readily available to guys in you made the statement that thirty three thousand dollars is league salary for year. My pace was eleven hundred dollars a month before taxes. So I'm not sure thousand but, you know, the allure of having a salary, that's in half a million dollars minimum going from eleven hundred month. I can see the draw for the steroids. And you know, there's a lot of guys that are on victim to just just off the money policy. I understand it in. I'm that age. And you know, I I don't look at this on my, my big white horse here sale. I wouldn't have done it. I probably would've I ride. I would have exploited if my teammates were doing it. I you know, that's where the pressure comes in. They're doing it therefore, do I have to do it or somebody I'm competing with if they're doing it? They get an unfair advantage, then they may get called up and I never get called up. You know, it's, it's really dangerous. It's dangerous territory, especially in the minor leagues too. But it's the risk and the reward. That's what it comes down to you. Wanna do it go get him now. But you run that run that risk, and I would not allow guys who test positive wants to be in any hall of fame. Mclovin. What did you learn today? I learned that Jeremy Roenick bread hall person as a best lap Saudis ever. Seen it. Yeah. That was great. Fritzy, if Jeremy Roenick wanna Stanley Cup he would have gotten a big Cup tattoo on his five seat O'Connor. What did you learn today? Our longtime cameraman met, new name is Frank. Yeah. I not. Not. Did you polygons to Matt for calling him? Franken, not a formal Povey was kind of a wink and a little, Pat. We talk about as much as possible. Why don't you get to know here? Why don't you why don't you because I'm self absorbed that I'm just not? I'm just not a friendly person. That's what they say about, I mean, I understand if you said, hey, I, I didn't know his name because I was trying to locate code Cody Bellinger. Two two so far, too busy at home absorb. I learned two things. It was very nice. Fritzy go along with the whole Frank bit pretend you didn't know his name and this sound will be legendary on the shows here. Seton? Well, we learned brought to you by truecar. If you're ready to buy or sell a car, truecar's, the place to go. True price from truecar certified dealers to cash offer not available in all areas safe weekend. Folks talk to you Monday. Have you checked out the big podcast with shack here podcast, one? Yeah. We talked basketball, but we're a lot more than just sports for those lady, she's seven, it's new everything about me, everything sports. And she says, I love you podcast and laughing. But I hate that. Listen free to the big podcast shack exclusively on apple podcasts podcast. 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April 17th, 2019

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And the Miller report reportedly encouraged the border patrol chief to break the law offering a presidential pardon. If he got nailed for it the week before he'd instructed border agents to defy court orders to accept asylum seekers and ally of the judges to the judges that there was no room for your tired and your poor. He's also been firing people for reportedly refusing to break the law on his behalf. He's talked again about closing the border which would be a gut punch to the. Economy and something he'd said only days before he would delay for a year. He's threatened the political revenge on the cities that didn't vote for him and a few that did by dumping on them the care of the migrant. He's been unable to stop a wave of migrants caused partly by his own tough-guy policies in the past week the hatred spread again to Muslims as he found a target in an outspoken, Minnesota congresswoman the deception is the lie that everyone in the world knows is ally that he knows nothing about WikiLeaks after invoking its name usually with praise. Nearly one hundred fifty times recorded in public. Just yesterday. He vetoed ending American support from the Saudi military campaign in Yemen. Congress passed that Bill specifically to punish the Saudis for the government ordered murder of US journalists Jamal kashogi Trump's Vito has him continuing to defend the Saudi Crown prince who ordered kashogi murder. Trump says the veto was because congress was trying to exercise authority that only he has as president. Trump's nominee for the Federal Reserve Board has said he's quote, not a big believer in democracy, while the president of the United States accuses US intelligence law enforcement and journalism of treason, while raising more twenty twenty campaign money than any of his score of democratic challengers and all of that just in the past week like watching an old TV western it feels as though we're forty five minutes into this one hour drama, this feels like the part where the sheriff and his men ride back at a town to restore law and order and put the bad guys in jail any minute now. A redacted Muller report after twenty six days under lock and key of attorney general William bar is finally being released because Muller's report is due to drop Thursday morning at the same time this program would normally be produced. It would have made this weekly look at the news instantly, outdated whatever the report says could not have been presented properly without time to carefully scan. What hasn't been redacted and estimate what might have been obscured, and how much was blocked from view with a rainbow of colorful stripes. We're told for each of the four categories of redaction, then comes the analysis of what we can see once I've completed that put together a special edition of this program and have it to you as soon as possible. So please keep an eye on your downloads and social media. If all goes as planned that special edition should drop Friday afternoon. What we do expect to see in. The Miller report are the one page summaries of each aspect of the investigation. These summaries were written by the lead investigators on every aspect of the Muller probe and the Muller team recently Lee that those summaries were written to be read by the public unredacted that raises the question why have those parts of the Miller report been under lock and key for the better part of a month in normal times. There are certain things we would expect not to see we would not expect to see national security information or information related ongoing investigations or anything that would expose how law enforcement does its work and where it gets its information. But these are not normal times. What we will not see also are the names of individuals who may have done some shady stuff, but we're not criminally charged. Not being criminally charged. Doesn't mean a person is innocent in often means there just wasn't enough evidence. Or the jury would never go along or. If they just weren't worth the trouble and expense. So we won't see those names. And we may not even see what they have done. And we won't see whatever the still thriving Muller grand. Juries are up to just because the Miller report is written. Doesn't mean the investigation's over on the contrary. The Muller probe has set off. No fewer than twenty federal and state investigations and his grand. Juries remain. Busy still there is a legal precedent for grand jury material to begin to congress as well as that sensitive national security and law enforcement information since my last wrap up we've heard rumbles of the mullahs report may be heavily redacted when it's three hundred eighty pages land on our laps tomorrow. As I said last week, even a heavily redacted report may reveal a lot it will likely be damaging to the president, regardless of whether the report is heavily or lightly. Redacted you can expect instant subpoenas from House Democrats. The president believes the report will compete. Lately exonerate him because that's what he thinks Bill bar said in his summary. White House aides are reportedly worried that even if the report is not politically damaging it will be personally embarrassing for Trump. Stay tuned. As we prepare to read the Miller report as redacted by William Barr were being reminded of Muller's track record on these sorts of things. And why you professor Ryan Goodman is a former defense department lawyer who found an especially news website called just security this week Goodman wrote about a memo from William bar who in nineteen eighty nine. Ran the Justice Department's office of legal counsel new president, George H W Bush at the time was already mired in foreign policy Mezin Panama, and it was his Justice department specifically legal counsel William bar announcing it would be legal to send FBI agents into Panama without its permission to arrest its dictator Manuel Noriega Noriega was in indeed wanted by the US for domestic crimes here. But there were a lot of raised eyebrows about sending US law enforcement into a foreign country to arrest its president. Congress wanted to see the whole legal opinion that had been written by the Justice department, lawyers, but Bartolome he wouldn't let them see it. Instead he gave him what he called a summary of the principal conclusions of what the Justice department lawyers had written a summary of the principal conclusions. Of course is what bar offered lawmakers and the rest of us several days after the report was turned in and now as in nineteen eighty nine William P bar wouldn't let anyone see the rest of it back. Then it took nearly two years for congress to issue a subpoena for that complete legal opinion. Once they got their hands on it. They learned that Barr had not only hidden the truth. He had misled lawmakers about what the truth was in those written opinions William bar lied about. What was in that report and left his job before the truth? Could finally be seen. It's funny. He would pop up again all these years later. Just in time to redact the Muller report. But this time is different. And even William bar knows it he may not be able to get out of dodge fast enough this time. The congressional subpoenas are approved already and ready to be shooed. They're expected to be issued the moment Bill bars. Redacted Muller report lands on congressional desks. Newsweek's Christina Maza reported this week that William bar wants worked for a law firm that represented Russia's Alpha-bank. He also worked for a company whose founders have allegedly longstanding business ties to Russia, and he's been paid dividends from vector group. A holding company with deep financial roots in Russia. Even if there were nothing to see here, even of the none of that meant anything. It's a conflict of interest not about actual conflict. It's about the appearance of conflict that ethical lawyers are careful to avoid it's the kind of conflict that would enormous times prompted an attorney general to wait for it recused himself from the investigation of promise bar refused to make in his confirmation hearings. And then there's bars six-figure assets in weight again Deutsche Bank, Trump's Bank the one heavily fined for laundering Russian money. The only Bank that would do business with Donald Trump. Legal experts say if there were ever a case for recusals William bars in charge of it. Even a federal judge this week declared that William P bar has eroded trust in the United States Department of Justice in his short time on the job quoting federal district. Judge Reggie Walton? The attorney general his greeted and environment that has caused a significant part of the public to be concerned about whether or not there is full transparency. Judge Walton was appointed by George W Bush, and he was speaking during hearing yesterday on a lawsuit to release the entire Muller report. News outlets are using the freedom of information act as the basis for their lawsuit. So there is more than one effort underway to get the whole mcgilla, and it is ongoing one way or another the complete Muller report will come out just as did the star report on Bill Clinton and others. Just without this fight attorney general William bar knows this. He also must know that this time the truth will come out much faster than the truth. He tried to hide in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine. Stay tuned. Trump's temptation to abuse power and his disregard for the law fell. Even more clearly in the public view this week at the top of the heap. His apparent offer to pardon his new customs and border protection. Commissioner should he get thrown in jail for breaking immigration laws so long as it stops the migrants CNN has to sources for this story despite drop and see PB denials in carefully worded responses at no time did Trump order or even urge new border chief Kevin michelina and to break the law. He just said that should that occur. I've got you covered. Just saying just say, it's not illegal it. Now, Trump's new attorney general William bar has issued a decision reversing US policy on people seeking asylum from persecution or torture in their home countries. Barr says they may be held in US jailed for as long as it takes for their cases to come up. The it is often more than a year previous policy allowed the asylum-seekers freedom until their cases came up a policy misleadingly called catch and release. Trump hates that policy. He calls asylum. A big fat cahnge ob- Trump hired William bar, William bar stopped a thing. Trump hates storing asylum seekers in jails instead and this die with no bail and with no plans for their children. The idea, of course, is to deter asylum seekers from entering the country, which disregards what we have done for decades in accordance with our laws, and with international laws, but Trump doesn't like a lot of laws. He does seem to like the cruelty. The new policy which doesn't go into effect for another ninety days ease being challenged in court and the new policy will likely be overturned. Kevin Macalinsan has been promoted from running just border protection to running the entire department of homeland security as its new acting secretary and just before getting that job. Trump reportedly urged Macalinsan to close the southwestern border to migrants despite saying just as earlier he had put all that move for another year. Former homeland security secretary Kirsten Nielsen had told Trump the closing the border would be illegal. She refused. His order because it is illegal. That's when a frustrated Trump went to his border protection guy with this supposed- offer of a pardon on of CNN sources as Trump was joking. The other isn't so sure it was then that Trump fired Kirsten Nielsen and gave Kevin McLean and the job. Now wonder Trump realizes or not he's chosen perhaps the most qualified person for that job. At least for now. This Macalinsan looks like a guy who would be in charge of security with his military haircut and his dead serious attitude. He has years of practical experience in immigration policy, laws and enforcement Macalinsan is by training. A lawyer. He's been honored by President Obama and respected by Democrats as well as Republicans whether Trump realizes it or not he's hired a guy who plays by the book after firing his predecessor for playing by the book. He's hired a guy whose knowledge of immigration policy, immigration, law and immigration enforcement deals in reality. He's hired a guy who knows the importance of giving US aid to Central American countries where violence and corruption have only added to the pain of poverty made worse by their crops being destroyed from climate change. He's hired a guy who strongly disagrees with the Trump policy of cutting off that aid and of breaking the law. There is some comfort in the presence of Kevin michelina head of homeland security for as long as you can hang on. If Trump doesn't fire him. I there's still some question as to whether his appointment as acting homeland security secretary was even legal. That jobs normally filled by the deputy secretary of position Trump still hasn't bothered to fill. The week before replacing the heads of homeland security and border protection on a visit to San Antonio, Texas, the frustrated president threatened to quote, call up more military to guard the border, but this week he'd moved on to funneling the latest wave of migrants directly into sanctuary cities. Mostly the punish Democrats for something. Democrats have not done, namely support open borders. We hereby demand tweeted Trump to the sanctuary cities as if here by demand where a long standing but secret presidential power. No such legislation has been proposed or even discussed publicly by Democrats. They have in fact called for enhanced border security what they've said they don't favor is Trump's hardline policies starting with his wall sanctuary cities offer some safety for migrant some cities, even welcome them. But to make those cities political targets to stick those cities with the Bill for Trump's failed immigration policies is an attempt to use the power of the presidency. To exact political revenge and abuse of power. The original plan was to send by bus people detained by immigration to small and mid sized sanctuary cities cities, like which ITAR Kansas, for instance, administratively it would have been logistical nightmare. The cost would be astronomical, especially considering most of those relocated would likely just hit the road for wherever they were headed in the first place. The idea was rejected by the White House as a political nightmare. But this week Trump floated publicly this time, including Pelosi's district of San Francisco. One of our biggest sanctuary cities is San Francisco. Home of Nancy Pelosi whose office had this response to Trump's latest tweet this administration, cynicism and cruelty cannot be overstated using human beings, including children as pawns in their warped game to perpetuate fear and demonize immigrants is despicable. And in some cases criminal. There's that word criminal again as for the cruelty. The examples are endless, but the latest involves a twelve year old girl named Evelyn Gonzales Vieira of Phoenix, Arizona her. Mommy, Barbara Vieira was killed while serving our country and Afghantistan this week Trump immigration officials hauled away her dad tuna Gallison in Mexico because he'd come to the US without papers fifteen years ago spending the past eight years, married to his dear departed, Barbara thanks to the media. Thanks to a free press. This travesty was exposed by the Zona Republic newspaper, daddy's back home in Phoenix now for now, but he's still facing deportation and the public and the press and congress are still watching the cruel and the criminal. Although he does make the final decisions and reminds us regularly that he's in charge. Trump's most radical ideas for stopping immigration are not his in his alone, the architect of Trump's tough immigration policy is Stephen Miller and Trump fires. The people who get in. Miller's way Millares said to have been key to Trump's failed zero-tolerance immigration policy. It's Miller's job to think of ways to carry out Trump's immigration wishes to cover the details. The president can't be bothered with. It was Miller's idea to overturn the protections for migrant children that had been ordered in place by the courts, it was a clash with Miller that led to the firing of the last border chief, it was Miller who told citizenship and immigration services to tighten up because he believes they've been too soft on people asking for asylum in the United States officials in that agency say they were just following the law as established by congress. But following the law is not a popular notion for Trump. Or Stephen Miller from closing the border to firing officials who disobeyed Trump by following the law. Stephen Miller began to get the spotlight as the brains behind the president's immigration policy a spotlight. Trump never tries to share Thirty-three-year-old Stephen Miller who has been described as a white nationalist is helping to shape and enforce Trump's immigration policies naysayers and laws be damned. Democrats are ready to call. Stephen Miller, testified answer some questions publicly and under oath about these policies starting with the plan to dump asylum seekers into sanctuary cities judiciary committee chairman Jerry Nadler, told CNN Steve Miller who seems to be the boss of everybody on immigration ought to come before. Congress and explain ahead of the house homeland security subcommittee says it's clear. Miller's the one pulling the strings he needs to come before the American people and explain he has to be held accountable residents whose top officials are facing congressional grilling often claim executive privilege to get around that if they defy a congressional call to testify. They can always be subpoenaed in the George W Bush administration the man known as his architect. Karl rove resigned before the Sabina could be issued neither the White House. Nor Miller have said yet whether they would comply with a request for Stephen Miller to testify all indications are they would not. When democrat congresswoman Ilan, Omar of Minnesota, cold out Miller four these immigration policies. She became a convenient target for Miller's boss, Trump tweeted and edited video of this US congresswoman over images of the nine eleven attacks, it bore the caption, we will never forget Trump and others and taken serious offense to remarks by Omar that out of context seem to minimize nine eleven trumpet found a person Abban, whom he could focus his anti Muslim biology's and capitalize again on a fear of Muslims and to gin up hatred against them. All. Congresswoman Omar who'd gotten death threats before saw their number increased dramatically after Trump's tweet every day. They are threats based upon her religious faith security for the congresswoman has been increased at taxpayers expense. House speaker Nancy Pelosi's ordered as a curia sesamoid worried about the safety of one or more lawmakers inspired by Trump's tweet to try to connect a Muslim congresswoman to the nine eleven attacks. Baluchi Alta demanded that Trump delete that tweet. And of course, he did not. Two weeks after threatened to shoot Omar a Trump supporter in New York was arrested for a phony bomb threat to a building in Los Angeles. Where Omar was about to speak, the house intelligence committee wants to know if Trump's foreign business dealings have left him susceptible to foreign influence that leads them to Deutsche Bank. The only Bank in New York that would still lend money to Trump prior to his election. As president though at your Bank is said it will cooperate with investigators but needed a subpoena to document that it only released someone's personal or corporate financial information because it had been subpoenaed the banking secrecy laws require that Deutsche Bank is also cooperating with the attorney general of New York state whose officers investigating Michael Cohen's claim the Trump exaggerated the size of his wealth to get tens of millions of dollars in Deutsche Bank loans. Meanwhile, over in the house oversight committee, chairman Elijah Cummings is after more and different Trump financial. Records from his accounting for our maze. USA like Deutsche Bank maze. Ours has asked for what's known as friendly subpoena, the subpoena, the House Ways and means committee is preparing to Sandy's Nacho friendly. The committee had said a deadline of April tenth for the White House to hand over Trump's tax returns personal and business for the past six years during the campaign Trump and said publicly that not paying federal taxes quote makes me smart. The New York Times investigative team founded the Trump family has been involved in quote dubious tax schemes, including instances of fraud after being called out as the first candidate the first president in forty years to refuse to release his tax returns. Trump repeatedly lied that. He couldn't release his returns because they were under audit. Now, he says they're too complicated for the public to understand that Americans don't care if he releases them anyway that too is ally. Multiple polls show. A most Americans want those tax returns in the latest polls more than two-thirds think he has a responsibility to end should release. Those documents lawyers for both White House and the president of join forces to resist the incoming shower of subpoenas. They say this is all about a pre-decided impeachment hearing in the house, and they will in Rudy Giuliani's words fight it to the nail on every single subpoena. Whether they be over the Muller report of a hidden tax returns or an immigration policy, two branches of government, executive and legislative would then clash before the third judicial branch. It'll be up to courts alternately, the supreme court to decide which of the two battling branches are correct for each and every subpoena this could take time, but it could also consume virtually paralysed the remainder of Trump's presidency. Democratic presidential candidate Beto O'Rourke posted his tax returns for the past ten years this week as did fellow candidate. Bernie Sanders now revealed to be one of the millionaires he's railed against instill. Does Sanders said as recently as Monday night, the wealthy should pay more. Which clearly now includes him more about Sanders. Monday night comments in a moment. With one Republican challenger and eighteen Democrats Trump is raising more money than any single one of them more than a few of them put together just in the first three months of this year. Trump raised over thirty million dollars for his twenty twenty campaign which began shortly after he was elected the campaign now has about forty one million in the Bank the Republican National Committee, which has merged with the Trump campaign brought in forty six million for Trump its biggest haul ever for a first quarter in anon- election year. Among Democrats Bernie Sanders is the top fundraiser in the first quarter with over eighteen million dollars, commonly Harris's second with twelve million Beto Aurora has over nine million and Pete Buddha. Judge kicked off his campaign with eight million Bernie has as much as any four of the other democratic candidates put together money, however does not guarantee victory candidates who raised and spent more than their opponents have gone down to defeat in the past and more than once. Money certainly helps but it doesn't win elections votes. When elections so what's the best way for a democratic nominee to win those votes in twenty twenty a number of democratic hopefuls of carefully torn a page just one page from the Trump playbook the one about populism. They took the page that says the way to get votes is to play on voters anger toward a group of elites in this case, the rich, I'm sick of freeloading. Billionaire says Liz Warren Bernie Sanders regularly rails against corporate America, and the billionaire class. Beto Aurora has talked about him economy that works only four the very few common. Commonly Harris's campaign slogan is for the people not all Democrats are on board. However, Joe Biden Cory Booker, Amy klobuchar Kirsten gillibrand have so far shied away from populism. Although Democrats have historically had bouts of populism in recent decades. It's become associated with conservatives. But. Kratz can lean on populism without doing it. The same way as Trump do it without the hatred and exploitation still the moderates in the party were moving too far left with Medicare for all in the green new deal could lead to disaster in next year's election. But the moderates are also bringing more popular ideas like repairing and enhancing ObamaCare instead of starting from scratch and reducing prescription prices and a more modest approach to climate change. I returning the US to the Paris climate accord, the struggle continues among the progressives in the moderates within the Democratic Party for however, much it matters. Some democratic donors are holding out on their donations until they can see how this shakes out. Bernie Sanders turned to a Cameron and said live on the Fox News channel. I guess the president watches your network a little bit. Hey, President Trump my wife, and I just released ten years, I pay the taxes. I oh. And by the way, when are you get Donald Trump up here and ask him how much he pays in taxes? It was an early evening FOX townhall drawing, FOX viewers and non FOX viewers, a ratings bonanza leading two and a half million viewers and to it's springtime lineup of Hannity and the rest live from the heart of Pennsylvania steel country. It was the most watched television event for a candidate ever with a few jabs at the networks. Anders told all those viewers he hoped we could all agree that the president is a pathological liar. What was to have been a Fox News townhall turned into a debate between Sanders and Fox News and Sanders one challenging the ideas of the moderators and others on that channel Sanders. One big that night addressing a crowd in a district where sixteen percent of his supporters while end up voting for Trump instead of Clinton as a consolation prize, FOX got Boffa ratings at least that night. But Sanders had also gone where many Democrats dare not tread. He went into the fall. Fox's den he had pierced the Fox News bubble a perfect pathway to the minds of those who share the president's love of Fox News. All the Democratic National Committee is boycotting FOX for its democratic primary debates Sanders was rushing in to appear on what many consider state TV for Trump more than that Sanders who describes himself as a democratic socialist was on the channel that warns viewers against what he calls the creep of socialism. It wasn't controversial move with many progresses wanting to punish FOX for its hateful primetime. Hosts critics of Sanders appearance say it's one thing to go on FOX to comment, but another to help host a one hour show in enemy territory. Sanders said somebody needs to remind voters that Trump's broken his promise to bring them better healthcare and remind them he did Sanders had gone into that FOX townhall meeting fresh off a four day swing through Trump country, and he did it seemingly with these at age seventy seven. Age maybe a factor in the next election in both parties, if he won reelection Donald Trump would be the oldest person ever elected president at age seventy three if he finished the term he'd be seventy eight when that second term ended if Biden work to win he'd be the oldest president at eighty two the nod would go to Bernie Sanders, if he won he'd be seventy eight by then doctors and experts on aging say a person can be a good president at seventy but not as good as a person who's at fifty. Thank you seventy six year old Robert Kaiser writing in the Washington Post for these painful realities as many as one in four Americans over sixty-five has some form of cognitive impairment, calculating a restaurant tip gets a little harder. They're not as good at multitasking as it becomes harder. To successfully divide their attention in test of reasoning memory and cognitive speed adults in their early twenties. Scored around the seventy fifth percentile while people in age seventy scored in the twentieth. Percentile and the onset of dementia is not something any American wants to see a president. There's more life expectancy for men in the US is seventy eight years and change at seventy five year statistically lucky if you have ten years left by those numbers, there's only a one in five chance Trump might pass before ending a second term for Biden. It's about a one in four chance for Sanders and nearly one in three chance. Actual mileage may vary, of course, wide statistics. Do not define any individual. There's too much ageism already. There's much to be said for experience the wisdom of time. And it has served us well at times, so perhaps age should not be a deciding factor in a presidential candidate, buddy. Should be a factor because it is Bernie Sanders continues to top the public opinion polls on democratic candidates. And he's raising the most money at age seventy seven we know that in two thousand sixteen the fierce determination of Sanders. Supporters was stoked by Russian internet. Trolls who are trying to split the democratic vote to help elect Trump. It's unclear whether the Sanders campaign was aware it was being used in this way by Russians when the Russian effort was first made public Sanders said he knew that his campaign had alerted the Clinton campaign later Sanders campaign managers had Sanders had misspoken and no one in the campaign from Sanders on down knew about the unsolicited help from Russia. Sanders had soundly condemned. Russia's political interference. But has done little to try to reunite his supporters with other Democrats, a sharp divide that has not faded since two thousand sixteen the wounds inflicted that year are still being felt by both moderate and Sanders supporters. But once again in two thousand nineteen the Russians are online to exploit the fierce. Enthusiasm of Sanders, hardcore supporters. By 2016, Julian Assange had been holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London for four years running WikiLeaks from there he could not leave the building without being arrested after seeking asylum to avoid criminal charges in Sweden as long as that could or would protect him. He could not be arrested. What Ecuador's new president doesn't care about Assange the way his predecessor did. And Assange was apparently a horrible guest and at worn out. His welcome in Ecuador's embassy in London. So last week Ecuador invited London police to enter its embassy a place beliefs are not allowed without permission. And permission is almost never granted. It was in that embassy in twenty sixteen that Assange ran the WikiLeaks dump of the democratic emails that have been freshly stolen by Russia. Just in time to hurt Clinton. Even more in the final weeks of the campaign and just in time to distract from a recording of Trump's crude off camera access Hollywood comments the Russians from whom Assange got those. Emails are among the baker's dozen named and Robert Muller's first indictment. Assange himself is reportedly named in another indictment by the Muller team. Assange has also been in touch with Trump confidante, Roger stone. But Assange was arrested by London beliefs on behalf of the US where he's been wanted since twenty ten when he dumped documents about the war in Afghanistan, endangering American lives. He now faces charges for helping Chelsea Manning steal military secrets in that effort. Alarm bells went off naturally among journalists. When Assange was arrested small wonder considering the assault underway on that profession, but Assange is accused of doing what ethical journalists don't do. We don't steal documents. They'll publish them. If you do, but unlike a song real journalists don't steal Assange had not been arrested for what he had published. He was arrested for hacking and stealing. A crowd watched in broad daylight in Dallas as a woman was beaten and kicked into unconsciousness after a minor traffic accident what started as an attack by one man turned into mob violence as it became apparent. The woman is transgender almost phobic slurs were hurled at her between punches and kicks. She was rescued by women once the attack ended the woman being attacked got serious injuries. And was hospitalized. It was there. She told police she knows her attackers. They've arrested at twenty nine year old male suspect. A group that tracks hate crime says the vast majority of the one hundred twenty eight transgender people killed over the past five years where women of color of all the people in the L GBD's Q community. Black transgender women are by far the most likely victims and Texas has seven anti LGBTQ murders under its belt making it the deadliest state in the union with seven just last year more than half the nearly. Dozen transgender people killed in the US last year died in the south. The Republican controlled Senate has confirmed an oil lobbyist, our new secretary of the interior. It did. So over the objections of Democrats who want investigations and accusations of ethical misconduct by now. Former oil lobbyists, David Bernhardt, drums, previous interior secretary was forced to resign precisely because of ethics violations as interior secretary. Bernhardt job is to protect have billion acres of public land and coastal waters, and he says he'll be all about ethics Democrats remained skeptical and in a position to investigate. Because of the changes in my schedule this week, salon dot com's Bob Ceska doesn't have a commentary for this report. But we hope to have one from him and more in the upcoming aforementioned special report. French president Emmanuel Macron wants the Notre Dame cathedral rebuilt in five years. Some say it'll take decades reality will likely fall somewhere in between. But macaw once it presentable in five years. Three hundred million dollars had already been set aside for the renovations that at apparently sparked the fire more than a million dollars in donations. Have poured in an art contest is underway to design a new spire the nineteenth century when burned and collapsed. The horrified is of hundreds of French onlookers and millions of others around the world in real time. Drones and robots may be used to help repair and rebuild. This architectural wonder that took one hundred eighty two years to build in the fourteenth century about eight hundred fifty years ago. Microns talked about hiring hundreds maybe thousands of craftsmen Masons carpenters to restore the landmark in time for the twenty twenty four Olympics in Paris the bell towers made famous by a fictional. Hunchback survived the eight thousand pipe pipe organ survived under the direction of a priest firefighters quickly formed a human chain to pass to safety much of the church's artistic and a Stoorikhel artifacts, including the crown of thorns believed to have been worn by Jesus on the cross the fire broke out during the holy week leading up to Easter Sunday with deep and painful, meaning the billions of people who've ever been inside that cathedral. It'll be six years at least before the public could be allowed inside again. Trump desperately wanted to help. So he got out his phone perhaps flying water tankers could be used to put it out. He tweeted, not realizing that water dropping aircraft are more effective over a wide area, not a specific building. And that the weight of the water could have caused even more destruction must act quickly tweeted, our president with an exclamation point to make sure the French understood they needed to put out that fire right away. Case hadn't occurred to them with flying water tankers. He said, America's coolest state amphibian kids are swallowing more stuff than ever. And three naked women are the rest style in the final segment of name. Thank you again for using that Lincoln buzz, Burbank dot com for mother's day. And for all your shopping year round at home school and work shopping through my Amazon link helps keep this newscast going and free for the listening. 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It's the eastern hell bender also known as the mud devil devil dog round puppy allegany alligator lasagna, lizard and snot off her, but the renovating a house voted this week one hundred ninety one to six to choose as they call it the eastern hell bender as the state's official amphibian and ugly. Greyish Brown salamander that can grow up more than two feet long. And it's also now an endangered species. That is not protected by the federal government and warmer water from climate change is killing them off. It hasn't even been a protected species for Pennsylvania, but that's more likely to change now that the eastern hell benders the state's official amphibian. Considered one of the world's most dangerous birds cassowaries are native to the tropical parts of Australia as well as in NEW GUINEA, and they are one of many of the world's endangered species. They look a bit like colorful ostriches black feathers on the body with bright blue heads trimmed of purple orange, and pink and topped with a brownish crashed that gives them a dinosaur quality. They are big six feet two hundred pounds, and they are easily spooked they are as dangerous as they are endangered a Florida man owned one along with a lot of other exotic birds which he raised on his farm and LSU accounting and this past week that bird killed him. Mould him to death using a middle Claude rips open its prey it was the world's first cassowaries killing since nineteen twenty six seven years ago when Australian tour. Reported being kicked by one down a seven foot cliff and into some water in one thousand nine hundred five will wanna report reporter being trapped in a tree for hours by an angry cassowaries weeks later, she was chased through the forest by one there were more than one hundred fifty cassowaries tax just on humans and just in Queensland Australia. I would not understand says an ornithologist at our national zoo. Why anyone would want to keep a cassowaries as a pet, but a Florida man did and killed him. Dozens of medical professionals in five states have been charged with their parts in the legally prescribing more than thirty two million opioid bills five dozen people have been indicted for passing more than three hundred fifty thousand illegal prescriptions in Kentucky, Ohio, Tennessee, Alabama and West Virginia. Appalachia the heart of the epidemic. The indictments include thirty one doctor seven pharmacies eight nurse practitioners and seven other licensed medical professionals, including the aforementioned dentist the Justice Department's investigation found doctors who traded prescriptions for sex and a dentist who pulled healthy teeth to justify his prescriptions. It was a complicated law enforcement operation because the patients often crossed state lines for doctors pharmacies or both. Gordon wanna lead? Prosecutors. These medical professionals behave like drug dealers, you can rest assured the Justice Department's going to treat them like drug dealers. This sweep is just part of the Justice Department's new more aggressive approach to the nation's opioid epidemic. Which the Justice department calls the deadliest drug crisis in American history. A Michigan doctor failed to properly diagnose a case of measles. You could see how it happened since measles was wiped out in this country twenty years ago the doctor presumed he was looking at a cough with a fever of bronchitis. The man called back the next day to say he had also broken out into Arash and the doctor figured allergic reaction. And then the doctor remembered this new wave of measles outbreaks in not his but other parts of the country. It was the measles. A New York man had traveled from Brooklyn Detroit to raise money for his ultra orthodox Jewish community and brought the virus with him while there and along the way in his car, he infected at least thirty nine people he stayed in people's homes. He has now been linked to every known case of measles in the state of Michigan. He is that states patient zero and illustrates how quickly the unvaccinated who get measles can spread that dangerous disease to many people across a wide distance measles outbreaks, generally, beginning communities, isolated from the society. You, and I know the ultra orthodox Jews in Brooklyn the Amish in Ohio, the Somalis of Minnesota as well as groups of eastern Europeans in Oregon and Washington state and Michigan's patient zero has made his Mark not just in Michigan. But in Baltimore County in Maryland to counties in New York state, including his own maybe three counties in New York. There are now. Well. Over five hundred fifty cases of measles in twenty states. The highest numbers we have seen in years five years. While the battle against measles continues. We've learned but new salmonella outbreak from cut Mellon sold under the brands of whole food and Kroger it has sickened nearly one hundred people at least nine states east of the Mississippi salmonella catches up with a million Americans every year ground beef is the culprit for a new e coli outbreak that's sickened over one hundred people in a half dozen states, contaminated ground beef, which consumed in homes and in restaurants in Georgia, Kentucky, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia. And Indiana, people are not being told to avoid ground beef. But since the source of the contaminated beef still not been found the recommending that for now, you make sure it's fully cooked to at least medium, an internal temperature of one hundred sixty degrees. But tell your kids don't eat that these days one hundred kids day one hundred kids they are rushed to emergency rooms after swallowing part of a toy a battery or a magnet. Anything bite that. Shouldn't be eaten and one hundred is twice as many cases. As in the mid nineteen ninety s the pediatrician who did this research says the sheer numbers are caused for concern ER visits by kids under six have risen more than four percent. A year every year between nineteen ninety five and two thousand fifteen why the increase it could be just more reporting of such incidents, but the availability of smaller batteries, especially those button batteries has also contributed to the higher numbers more. Studies are being done on the bright side. At least ninety percent of these kids are being treated and released just over half, the swallow our boys, but the girls are close behind your most common swallowed objects pennies topped the list followed by jewelry, and then batteries nine out of ten of which are those button batteries, parents may wanna get down on the floor at toddler level to see what they might find and put in their mouths. After refusing to budge earlier Fisher Price has backed down and under public pressure in a flood of bad press. The toy company has finally recalled its rock place levers all of them every model more than thirty infant deaths involving those products have been reported in the time since they were introduced in two thousand nine Fisher Price has since the first few deaths been resisting pleased recall, the sleepers, and when the anti-regulation Trump administration took over the government's consumer Product Safety Commission, the commission stopped pushing for that recall. It was the outcry of the public informed by the news media that finally made that recall happen. We haven't seen the worst of it yet when it comes to the dramatic shrinking of the brick and mortar retail industry. A new report says seventy five thousand stores were closed for the next seven years, especially stores that sell electronics clothing and even furniture clothing stores would be hit the hardest. The investment firm UB asked which makes this projection says we'll be doing more than a fourth of our shopping online seven years from now we do sixteen percent of our shopping there. Now, the fifteen thousand members of the writers guild of America are in their own way on strike many of them fired their agents this week and mass the writers want more money, of course. But they also want the agents to adopt a new code of conduct that the writers have written. No word yet on how this will affect our upcoming movies and TV shows. Sweet Georgia angle was the tiny voice drew big laughs on the Mary Tyler Moore show with recurring roles later on coach and everybody loves rain. Mond on Mary show angle. Play georgette Franklin would eventually marry the much louder anchorman, Ted Baxter. What began as a one time bit-part earned angle too. Emmy nominations, she got two more EMMY nods in her two years on Ray Romano sitcom that was by the way, her normal, speaking voice, and she had the time to go with it to make all of us laugh. People seem to like shazaki Sam it sold. Another twenty five million dollars in tickets on the US and Canada this week making it again, the top movie. In fact, the rest of the screening rooms are pretty empty make up your own mind, browse the previews and maybe score your tickets after clicking the fandango logo at buzzed Burbank dot com. If you'd like a job as a candidate taster Mars Wrigley has that job. Opening you need to be in Chicago for eight to twelve weeks to taste, candy and to organize public events and activities for the companies wide line of confectionery. You must be twenty one have a love for Chicago. And quoting the job listing not be afraid to ring every doorbell in every neighborhood on Halloween and something about keeping a potted. Peppermint plant alive for at least eight weeks. In Jackson, Mississippi bowls of mashed potatoes heap, showing up on cars in driveways, and on porches front porches and mailboxes tapping in the same neighborhood where a woman Christmas trees in pot holes and someone decorated road signs. There was a brief concern. The potatoes were poisoned to maybe kill animals. There are no reports of any humans eating the match date of the only clue is that the potatoes often show up at the homes of people connected to the local Christian university. Mostly it's a mashed mystery. From the home office in Florida. Fifty one year old Gerald Thornton of new port. Richey is behind bars after allegedly hitting one man with a lamp pole and another with a frying pan. Police say the frying pan victim was able to arrest the pan from his attackers hands and punch Thornton in the head several times with his free hand Thornton. Then allegedly turned and chased his second victim and used a lamp pole on him before being arrested for aggravated battery. No explanation as to why a frying pan and lamp pole were handy. Also from the Florida files it began when three women appeared to apply suntan lotion to themselves and each other at a Florida rest stop on. I seventy five near Dade city. All three women were completely nude when a highway patrol deputy approached them, they explained they'd been staying with relatives and things have gone badly. And they had no place to go. They told the deputy. They were just washing up and air drying, the officer pointed out that they were using suntan lotion, then the three naked women jumped into their car and lead that officer and others on twenty one mile chase. They were eventually caught and arrested for indecent exposure fleeing an officer and resisting arrest which could have something to do with being slippery from the suntan lotion. An Indiana man is suing his parents for throwing out his collection his vast collection of pornography. The man is forty years old he moved in with his parents and Michigan for nearly a year about three years ago after his divorce. He says he has folks forwarded all his stuff to his new home in Muncie, but his dozens of boxes of movies and magazines were missing is parents proudly admit they dumped the porn, especially after finding one called big bad granny's. The man reported this to police as a theft, but the local prosecutor refused to pursue the case. The man says he has porn collection is worth twenty nine thousand dollars. He wants three times that in compensation asking the court to make his folks give him eighty seven thousand dollars. Presumably to restock. Before this week's tragic and horrible fire at Notre Dom, the French got a chance to smile during the Paris marathon, a thirty four year old woman named Krystelle broke a record set in Chattanooga. Tennessee by running her marathon in six hours, four minutes and seven seconds in heels high heeled shoes that meets the Tennessee record for high heeled shoe marathon, running my an hour and a half Christel says she decided to enter the race on the advice of her partner who had watched her running heels before in the rain. Finally, the most important thing here is that this woman is all right in Cairo New York. A little south of Woodstock police. Fire and ambulance crews responded to a bad single car crash on silver spur road. The car was on fire. The woman driving it had lost control sending it off the road and into total destruction. Fortunately, the woman suffered nothing more than a hurt leg. She told the officers everything went sideways while she was trying to kill a spider. Plus burbank. Thanks for listening watch for my analysis of the Muller reported buzz Burbank dot com, and I'll be back next Thursday with another buzz, Burbank, news, and comment. Preceding presentation was brought to you by Hurrell network.

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The Giant Referendum On Everything

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The Giant Referendum On Everything

"Approach. Listener support W N Y C studios. Frump WNYC in New York. This is on the media. I'm Bob Garfield Gladstone. Remind yet because it's been a little bit over three weeks. Okay. It's been a little Bill, but three weeks we begin with Cardi B's is now ordering federal government workers to go back to work without getting paid the robbers Instagram video has over Levin million views and counting. This this. Crazy like our country is in a hill right now. Stephen COPA into day. Twenty six of the government shutdown vital services are being threatened. For instance. I run down jokes. We might have. We might have never dip into the national reserve this. If only we had more reserves of maturity to dip into the fight over the border wall deteriorated further as MRs flew between Capitol Hill in the White House. President Trump did nine military. Jennifer house speaker Nancy Pelosi who was reportedly set to head out of the country for a meeting with foreign allies. This after speaker Pelosi call to postpone the state of the union address all of this. But the state of the union seems years away. Meanwhile, thousands of unpaid federal workers continue inspecting our food securing our air travel and sending tax refunds many are relying on the compassion of landlords local restaurants, and even their workplaces for food in past shutdowns, the press focused on the inconvenience to tourists a great falls in Virginia the closed sign turns visitors away at the front gate in West Virginia. The harpers ferry national historic park is closed. To history bust, but the longest shutdown in history is different. Now, we're hearing about all kinds of hurt from Alabama or several Alabama programs that could be affected if the federal government does not fully reopen. For instance, the wick program provides nutritional help for women infants and children to Nevada if the valley loses public housing funding, we could face a huge problem to Connecticut. TSA workers at Bradley International Airport, gone four weeks without a paycheck. Thanks to robust reporting. Both inside Washington coast to coast we've been schooled in just what the government does. And what happens when it doesn't homeless shelter to get money from HUD, domestic violence, shelters sexual assault programs services. The federal government is obligated to pay to native Americans under treaty, right? When our government starts to buckle for real the importance of local reporting can no longer be ignored or denied. But that vital sector of our Republic has been undergoing its own agonizing sort of shut down for decades this week, many of those reporters learned of a new familiar threat to their own futures. The Wall Street Journal reported on Monday that Gannett the local news chain that owns USA today in about three hundred other papers is the target of. Hostile bid from the hedge fund Alden global capital. The deal isn't done no-one knows exactly what this might mean. For papers, like the Zona Republic or the Appleton post crescent. We can't say what Alden will do. But we do know what it's done. So does Dave Krieger for a time. He was the editorial page director of the Alden owned boulder. Colorado daily camera until he wrote a post critical of his corporate overlords and was fired tactic that all been uses and does it through its newspaper front, which is called digital first media. They come in once a year, and they basically tell the executives of the paper what there is going to be a little like a mop protection. Racket? They come in and say, we're taking twenty percent of your revenues off the top good luck haven't. I bet it is up to the -secutive in at the paper to keep. The lights on to other way to do that with revenues declining year-over-year pretty much every newspaper in the country. Is to cut news resources originally daily camera eliminated, all its clerical positions, for example. So you have hitters reporters doing all the clerical work that needs to be done. It sold off the downtown office building that the camera worked in and get moving to stab or smaller and smaller office space, and eventually there's nothing left to do. But the cut the reporters. Well, there's a very dynamic community. It's university town two hundred thousand people Google campus. There's a Twitter campus, there's all kinds of stuff going on. And we just had no go to cover any of it. So let's just say that Alden is not known for its commitment to local journalism. And now, it's after the three hundred some Gannett papers. I am old enough to remember when Janette wasn't the victimized damsel tied to the tracks. It was snidey whiplash doing the victimizing when I worked at the Wilmington news journal of Gannett paper in the early eighties. The company had the reputation of slashing costs of the papers it at acquired and believe you were former Gannett toyed yourself, aren't you twice over? Yeah. Can have for many years was known and today known as the McDonald's of journalists. They were the consolidator they were all about profitability that was about him barrel. Verse you could do is a reporter for many years, comparing the historical Gannett of consolidation and cost cutting and everything that goes with it was anything that that chain did even remotely comparable to what Alden has done in the properties that it owns. It was not as bad, but it was comparable in the sense that get sort of pious. Ear this concept that you could consolidate all kinds of bunk shins that used to be the province of the individual newspaper. You didn't have that's the -sarily a copy desk anymore and your newspaper because there was some central location where copy editing took place didn't necessarily have page designers that York's is they because there was some central location where that's a place that de localization of news in order to save money. That was gonna process the difference is connect- Ganz newspaper company can reduce ago, and it's still newspaper. It's interest is in keeping those newspapers a lot all did not care, but the paper survive as you may know conducted than they ran suggests that on the current trajectory a lot of all properties will be dead in the water then three or four years from that. And I think that's fine with all. Because they would just take the cash and move onto the next distress assets are at so there may not be a better example of sort of predatory capitalism than what we're discussing now on the other hand, no laws are being broken and Gannett is in the position of trying to protect the fiduciary interests of its shareholders and the offer. That Alden is making a significantly higher than that. What Gannett shares trading for it will be hard for them to turn this down. What does that suggest? And I guess I wonder if you think there's anything that can be done about this. I don't want to get to the motives about this. But there's the famous Thomas Jefferson quote about whether it's if you had a choice between government, no newspapers favors. No government cheese ladder that seemed to make no sense to a lot of people. But the point was making was self government. It is impossible without an informed citizenry. And in fact, that's been the criticism of democracy over time most skeptics of democracies persisting, along of time are skeptical because they think the citizenry ultimately will be so ill-informed that is not capable of governing itself. Played them that argument twenty five hundred years ago, and they're public give capitalism is allowed to destroy local journalism in this way. That's where we're headed. And as you say that investing a long tradition is part of capitalist. Then Graham, call it cigar butts investing one hundred years ago, he's Warren Buffett's mentor. So it's definitely legal, and it's part of capitalism, but we have never been at the point where it was about to destroy an institution that is protected by the first amendment to the constitution. There's their way to protect, but our founders felt we saw important from an economic system that now seems bent on destroying it. What's going on with you? I appear to be retired. I'm sorry. The laugh, but it it doesn't sound as though that was your plan. It sounds like the situation in which you've unfortunately found yourself going out into the job market as a sixty something veteran of forty years in what is perceived to be dying industry this industry. You know, there's not a lot of interest out there in the markets. That's where we are. Okay. Dave. Well, thank you very much. Appreciate your time. Dave Krieger is the former editorial page editor of the boulder daily camera. Coming up. If you think we have rid locked may. We retention two bricks it this is on the media. This is on the media. I'm Brooklyn stone. Dr Bob Garfield is to the right two hundred into the nose to the left four hundred and thirty two. While we trudged through the slog of government shutdown Great Britain and the European Union are in the midst of a slow motion train wreck downing Wath for British Prime Minister, Theresa may as the parliament strikes down her Brexit plans. Recent may has just won a no confidence vote in parliament. She says that could mean the end of the increasingly controversial divorce the UK will split from the EU and much twenty ninth. And they're still no plan for how no plan for orders. No plan for trade. No plan for taxation because the public said, no to Europe and parliament said absolutely not to Theresa May's plan for the exit. And as though living through the uncertainty wasn't enough this month Brits got to watch a TV movie. Brexit reexamining the twenty sixteen referendum in different fronts of history. I was never here. Some of you differently in this never happened. But it was. Did Benedict Cumberbatch plays. Dominic cummings. The strategist behind the vote leave campaign Cummings used Facebook data from such dodgy purveyors his Cambridge Analytica to target voters. And it was he who came up with the campaigns cunningly, effective slogan. Take back control, everyone news who. But not everyone knows how in Britain the conversation around the film, even before it aired their own channel four earlier this month was how soon is too soon to explore a story. That's still unfolding and how much fiction is permissible and healthy about history. Still in the making for instance, the real Cummings refused last summer to appear before parliament. He shown in the film apparently years in the future testifying will Brits think that he has been held accountable. Brexit is set to air on HBO. Stateside for the first time on Saturday. January nineteenth playwright James Graham is the screenwriter he decided that instead of focusing on well-known Brexit figures like Theresa May or Boris Johnson. The film would follow comings and the director of the remain campaign. Craig Oliver resolve aspect of referendum campaign is that in front of the camera will be. Familiar figures like to sell these I did policies. But in fact, they all decision-makers the decision makers strategists are completely unknown completely unelected and completely unaccountable who come up with the policy, visions, and the ideas and the messaging appeal to their Haas emotional resonance that hoax that dreams aspirations that is suspicious. Basic is completely unknown felt right to me to put those sent to state Cumberbatch brings the same, hyper intense manic. I don't even know the words almost hallucinatory quality that he brought to the Sherlock series priton. Mason noise. And actual noise. Did you got it grows? It's been groaning for some time. And he's using all this Cambridge analytical data and other lethal tools of guerrilla war was he really the evil genius architect of Brexit. Or is this a bit of artistic exaggeration? There were two camps. There. The comes who thinks he's a genius. He felt the mood of a nation and identified long before Brexit uninvite long before Donald Trump this populist, anti establishment anger and mood sweeping across the western world. A new how to tap into that to get the results that he wanted. There's been another view which is that he's not salute fraud. He's a pseudo intellectual. He was just learned about the quotes from Greek philosophy and Russian history. But it's meaningless an empty, and he just got lucky. The fact is I don't know. I would say look you actually spend time we've Dominic he's not giving any interviews since the referendum campaign. He hasn't yet. Appeared before parliament parliament has requested his attendance that he didn't wanna Jim for some reason he wanted to apply. Right. So some of the ideas and the arguments that the Benedict county deposits in this movie, the first time, they noted, but I think comes down I decide I think I think you the audit and should decide whether or not he's gifted always afford, you mentioned Cummings refusal to testify before parliament the film opens with coming testifying before parliament. I gathered this is Madge ind- at sometime in the future. Its primary purpose is to investigate the use of our personal data in political campaigns and the way in which it is rapidly altering what's going on. There might make some people have difficulty with those on this because there's a danger that you are implying that he has testified. And actually he wasn't really hasn't been that. And they said post about together wrong. You'll notice at the beginning of the film. There's a character code Elizabeth Denham question again, and she. Information Commissioner, and she references. The fact that they with random was four years ago inquiry was established by the information Commissioner's office following revelations concerning the European referendum four years ago in two thousand sixteen about fellas subtle way, I sign posting that basically set possibly around twenty twenty twenty twenty one drama can hold these people to account and ask them question. And also put their arguments before the public in a way that yet hasn't been satisfied Carol cut Walter who is investigative reporter for the guardian and has been reporting on Cambridge analytics role in the Brexit campaign. She says that the movie, quote whitewashes, the deeply serious criminal offenses, we know were committed and she accuses HBO of quote, literally interfering with the criminal Justice system. How plead you on that? To be honest. Everybody has their own version of what they think the Brexit film should be people think focused too much on Cambridge let the data some people including Carol knowing their enough, I retreated all the Carol objections to the film because I want to crate a debate we don't mislead we have thirty reference criminality that was acute knowledge that they were found guilty of overspending and Facebook, which is the record fine for the MRIs these things are there. But for me, it was important to not get necessarily hung up on things that one would either completely isolate Aleve voting audience and to the point wasn't to appraise checklist of accusations towards particular side of the referendum. I I was interested that universal themes of what did that referendum say about us who while we now country this in a world of lies academy ever be objective about our Pol? Ticks and evidence based troops ever again. And that might sound very playwright t but I had to a for something slightly more poetic and larger than some of those specifics. Do you believe that it was Cummings or whoever had been running the operation would have achieved approximately the same result yet? That's really interesting, and I'm aware that throughout history playwright in particular have romanticize the potential influence of the individual because that's what makes good job. Instead, a single person can change the course of a nation's destiny, if you want my personal view, I think that of cost individual people can make a difference. And of course, campaigns can make a difference. Otherwise, why out three have election? But I do believe that dumb that come in seven individual good possibly increase enough to turn out to what was it very narrow win that campaign particularly through the phrase that they discovered the slogan for the league. Pain which was take back control. Take something back means. It was is rightfully yours taken from you so much understanding of who we are comes from this. No static few. We have of pasta. Maybe your job. Maybe your money. Maybe your self that sense of national identity. Everybody could pull into that empty bucks. If it's Logan the anger that they had and they just create the whole consituency that never knew existed. There is an extraordinary scene. It's a focus group staged by the remain camp. But is composed of people who are likely levers and remains who wind up screaming at one another making accusations of racism and more just be. Listen. Talk about mentioned it. I have nothing on. We forget now because the campaign is so dramatic a member parliament assassinated by somebody who screamed put Britain, I put Britain. I to something was unleashed. By the asking this question. And it was a devastating failure. And I would nation politicians to go people to be able to answer it and reasonable and considered way as the UK trust to figure out what to do next will your movie be at risk of being too reductive or two influential add very very sensitive time. So if we can accept, but it's generalizations rights to on a daily basis make suggestions enough questions and posit fairies. Why shouldn't why shouldn't drama I think drama has juicy to declare itself as fiction, and I think I would film does that quite heightened tone and quite a hyphen static. It's quite the app to go. So you know, that it's not a journalistic. Documents. It's it's hard to study of what motivates at the people. The second point is we're not craving. This is the definitive version of this story. I'm hoping that there'll be many many more plays and films that come out over the next decade that continue the ads and contribute to this conversation. Dame's many, thanks. You're welcome. Thank you, James Graham is the screenwriter of Brexit. The film airs on HBO at nine eastern on Saturday January nineteenth in the movie Cummings bemoans, the lack of critical analysis about the state of British society and beyond. Important questions to be ASTA. They should a species are planet. No one's asking the right ones. British national identity will most specifically English national identity was always defined by the fact that we are an island nation. Matthew Goodwin is a professor of politics and international relations at the university of can't and author of national populism the revolt against liberal democracy. He says the right questions. We're actually staring us in the face. All along Britain's entire post will relationship with the EU was defined by person being the oakwood partner with had opt-outs of key things such as the year a single currency euroscepticism. You might say is in its DNA. We would never really fully committed to the European project in the way that the French or the Germans or the Italians were Goodwin explains that from nineteen ninety five to twenty sixteen. There was actually consistent and widespread public support for dramatically. We thinking Britain's relationship with the EU and groups think really. Lead us to the opposite conclusion that remain was always the clear favorite. If Brexit was a backlash, you say, it wasn't a backlash to immigration per se, but to a larger issue the perceived overreach by liberal democracy in the form of the European Union and a perceived loss of sovereignty in national identity, all of which sentiments were hiding in plain view, the leave vote didn't magically materialize from nowhere and wasn't just a bunch of racist. Ruffians? Well, I think one of the ignored elements of the Brexit debate is the Vosa t- that existed within the leave electorate, and if you look at actually who ended up voting leave. There was basically an alliance of pretty affluent middle-class conservatives he were predominantly wanting a restoration of national sovereignty the European Union. It has. NFL stations in kind impose laws on us, which we do not want can refuse to repeal laws, which we think about the usefulness. Tax white working class. Traditionally left-wing Labe Voces who are more anxious about what they soar is the sort of high levels of migration and rapid change at the local level. Muslims also people which tech jobs, we one in three of Britain's black a minority ethnic voters opted fa- leave on recent research suggests that they were unhappy with the way in which our migration policy gave preference to people from within Europe at the expense of some of their networks relatives outside of Europe in two separate people like myself being eggs if somebody else in Europe, they don't working and eating my money. Why? And also those allows degree of support for leave. Among Britain's pensioners who came of age in a very different period when Britain was a global superpower. And when it wasn't so closely. Wind to the European Union leaders wanted to talk about entity and sovereignty and community and remain with just talking to them about GDP the national economy and financial benefits. The prevailing media narrative is that seventeen million gullible and resentful voters who don't understand markets or governance or economics or law where tricked into consigning the UK into isolation in relevance. But you say that such blinded here instead the March of liberal democracy does a disservice to legitimate grievances. Where leave what particularly effective was picking up on that sense among boat is that they no longer really being recognized being given a voice in the political system and Fukuyama famously argued in his book the end of history. Liberal democracy. Really did one of two things aside from offering the capitalist system and developing very effective economic model. It actually also satisfied people struggle for recognition gave them a sense of voice. I think what many leaves felt particularly by the time that we go to twenty-six was actually nobody in the political system was listening to them. And certainly not book we made the point the one in to working class voters in Britain had concluded that actually they won't being listened to imprints political system may certainly won't being listened to in the European Union's political system. I think partly there for the vote to leave the EU became something much more powerful, which was an attempt by voters to get their views to get their valleys back home to the political right now, the the occasion for your article is your own personal astonishment that amid the current post. Brexit chaos today. This day few in the media or government or the academy have truly reflected at how it got into this mess. They see it you right as a spasm of naked ignorant and malign populism. Not as really historical inevitability. Your piece was a bit screed against that kind of self allegation, and arrogance many people not only kademi, but also launch pulse of Britain's media struggle to make sense of the votes leave and where it had come from. A media is still incredibly London Centric, many people who are reporting on the mood in the nation have gone through Oxford, okay, bridge and often private schools. And I think the shock that meant the leave was a reflection of the we just simply don't have immediate debate. We don't have a national debate. That's truly Representative of the country. And that perhaps also explains why so many people expected remain to win. We're having this conversation in the midst of chaos parliament has just not just voted down. But crushed prime minister May's Brexit plan and two months from be day. There's no mechanism for any kind of soft landing into whatever. The new reality is all the indications are instead for a catastrophic crash there is talk of a referendum to reverse the first referendum. But you believe that would surely be catastrophic. Why pragmatically I can understand how we end up having a second referendum because there is no majority in the house of Coleman's for a Brexit deal. Mrs may has lost her deal. She was defeated heavily on her. Opponents do not have a majority for an alternative route. They're all many problems with that. However, the first is we have no idea what will put on the ballot paper. Would it be? Mrs Maes deal verses. No deal. Would it be Mrs Maes deal versus remaining in the European Union? Would it be Mrs Maes, Dale buses some other option, and the reason that's problematic is when you serve voters? They don't really know. Even now, what's in Mrs Maes, Dale. So this is very low information environment and referendums supposed to be really only introduced when there's a very clear binary question. Are you win a US-led? But Secondly, I think is problematic because it's going to send a pretty troubling message. We have to remember what happened before the first referendum. A lot of blue collar workers in industrial towns had simply stopped voting naming giving up on politics. They concluded that when it came to these big issues like Britain's relationship with Europe like immigration, like the role in their voice within the political system that it wasn't worth voting. My Warri when it comes to the prospect of second referendum as actually we send those vote. Voters quite a worrying message, which is that actually even though you came out and voted leave, and you try to reclaim that sense of voice you made the wrong decision. And you're going to have to vote will lifer again by all seeking those voters to vote again, effectively until they give the right answer. We don't just pouring gasoline on a sense among many voters that back clashing is actually the only way to get things done. Matt. Thank you very much. Thank you for having me. I've enjoyed listening to show from London. Matthew Goodwin is a professor of politics and international relations at the university of Kent and co author of national populism revolt against liberal democracy long. So. Two. My with rules of strange you. Issue. Coming up, another global culture war is afoot on YouTube. This is on the media. Come. This is on the media. I'm Bob Garfield, and I'm glad stone. So we've got a battle over Brexit which fundamentally is about big symbolic issues power sovereignty inclusion, and we're up against a wall over the US government shutdown which also is about big symbolic issues like executive power national priorities in the role of government. And then there's the hand to hand combat taking place under our very noses over who is the supreme leader of YouTube a hundred sixty million people have taken sides in what is depicted as a David versus Goliath story or maybe Goliath versus Goliath. Let's start with. How's it going everyone money's band? So people is a character played by Felix shellberg. He is a caustic and funny gamer. Klay Shirke is a tech writer and vice provost of educational technology at New York University. He's tracked Pudi pies nine year rise to the top of YouTube Swedish she lives in England. He's twenty nine and he's one of the first generation of YouTubers who did it as a hobby and converted it to a career. On Friday PD pies. Subscriber count started to rise on the appeal of now classic genre videos, called let's play as in you watch him goof around while he plays the game. He's now got eighty million subscribers two years ago. He started dipping into controversy. All right, Disney, cutting ties with what is this huge party. By the Wall Street Journal reporting that PD pie, the world's highest paid YouTube star posted nine videos, featuring antisemitic comments or Nazi imagery. The Wall Street Journal reported that a January eleventh video showed two men holding a sign that said death to all Jews allegedly hired by the Twenty-seven-year-old internet personality. Google cut Pudi pie from its lucrative preferred add program and cancelled his premium YouTube original series Pudi pie, by the way, did not respond to any of our requests for comment. I'm sorry. For the words that I used I know the offended people. I do strongly believe that you can joke about anything. Here's the thing though. The media takes what I say out of context to portray me as a Nazi old school media does not like internet personalities because they're scared of us. The context question is often used as a get out of jail card to say to people. I don't wanna be held to stay. Standards other than those held by my own audience. And I by that I do, but there's this really smart anthropologist, crystal Avidan, and she went through a lot of the citations of Pudi pies transgressions that we're sampled by the Wall Street Journal, the Wall Street Journal circulated a still of PD pies supposedly making the Nazi salute. When this was actually him just extending his arm, and pointing off screen there was another one that the Wall Street Journal did of PD pie donning a uniform and watching Hitler videos, when this was actually the second half of a longer snippet in which few defy, I refuted earlier media accusations that he was a Nazi and then jokingly donning a British uniform while pretending to watch clips of Hitler speech to depict how he thinks the media views him, I mean, this isn't just casual context Detroit. But I don't think there's any claim of being out of context that saves the death to all juice stunt, actually. I watched that entire thing. And he was asking a whole bunch of people to do things that he knew they wouldn't do. And this was one that he had put in that group on five or who for a certain amount of money will do something on video that you request. He'd asked for outrageous things. No one did. And for five bucks two guys from India. Did this deaf to all Jews thing? And you see his reaction. I'm sorry. I didn't think they would actually do it. I feel partial responsible, but just I didn't think they would. And he looks genuinely shocked each just never expected it now should he have done that was really obnoxious and creepy yet. But I think he kind of conceded that himself your, but that to me says he can sort of have it both ways. That's how great in five on daily Stormers favorite group of guys exposing food to hang over the world and make it why Hitler. A few pies is not that he's not the problems and ask and wants to be both edgy and not upset people because his audience expects edginess, but his advertisers, expect not upsetting people and one of his constant complaints about people pushing back on his edgy content, which often involves racial slurs or using the word retarded, casual homophobia, these kinds of things is that he's being held to a standard that his own audience doesn't have right. He's now finally being treated as a cultural figure who says something about the larger society, he's not just a gamer mouthing off to amuse other gamers PD pies mounting controversies had little affect in his ranking as the most subscribed to youtuber until the rise of the Indian super channel t-series if uncaught to become the most subscribed channel on YouTube and about depart the controversial personality PD Pugh Di fi out of nowhere. This channel t-series they're like sixty million subscribers and their channel is going insane. And I'm thinking who are these guys? What is he series series like India's? Disney almost synonymous with the films and music produces like the viral song Lahore by groove Ramleh. These cities is I guess every every part of the country. There is. This is Indian youtuber carry Manati who has five point five million subscribers your game in India very league before you there. We had CD's DVD's VHS. We had cascades everybody would movie has so many. Of course, most of them were released by these. I think it's been there forever forever. Coming from youtuber knows his way around the entertainment industry. Okay. So I've been doing this for a long time. It's been like ten years. I guess now. And how old are you? I'm ninety wait a minute. You've been doing it since you're nine. Yeah. I've been making like annoyed of content from like football bricks to SP two Oriels to game plays, nor of things I've done a lot of things. Google Shan, Kuma son of juice seller. Started what became piece series in nineteen eighty three rowing it into what's now the BIC witness emblem of Indian pop. Culture. And so it remains though Kumar was murdered by the Mumbai underworld in nineteen ninety seven today. The company distributes Bollywood Bondra and hip hop in a variety of Indian languages all of which is available on a YouTube channel the subscribership of which has sometimes briefly even overtaken Pudi pies. Channel is changing over. That's right in no less than in November this year. PD pie will not be the biggest channel on you. To know. We must fight back YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, and Snapchat were flooded with Pudi pies calls to action apply. Subscribe the puny tie on the largest billboard in Times Square. And this video I will say one hundred thousand times to stop Taseer people at around the world doing campaign for Pugh, replied and inviolate. It's not different people. They're sticking posters on the trees and the walls, but value of it by by, but I am going to destroy my body with a subscribed to PD everyone doing their part of you've been doing your part and take control of printers around the world to create posters supporting the logger Pugh. Die pie the other day. I was sitting at work and the fritter started printing something well twenty three year old Sarah Moore was working her job at a hair salon in Wilson. North carolina. The office printer one of fifty thousand hacked worldwide spat out. Out posters. Promoting pootie pie. One of the best thing that's ever happened comes by so on that I work at and everything basically have always been a fan of PD by like forever. So what is the war represent to you? So Wall Street Journal, and like these other publications, basically, they're just taking things completely out of context and arrived up like defend him. I guess I'm like have this battle for him. It kind of represents it still has this really like nice deep seated community of people who know, what's right, and what's wrong, and we live in a world where cancelled culture is so strong. Somebody does one thing wrong. And then you want to cancel them forever. Sad disavows the anti semitic joke. Video but believes his apologies are genuine and her fear of cancel culture is shared widely on the platform to many of his fans PD pie is the David against YouTube with the Goliath against the media Goliath against the t-series, Goliath. Well, everyone else is just moaning and complaining and turning our beloved t-series it to a tyrant into this big music industry. Typhoon that's coming in and take it away the little guy, which don't get me wrong. Definitely definitely is all those things, but it's our evil corporation. Okay. For once our evil corporation gets to win and gets to take the number once but Canadian Indian youtuber just rain because maybe it is our time. Now, maybe your karma of colonizing us. It's finally catching up through us reading you and -pletely unnecessarily racially motivated subscriber race on YouTube. Meanwhile, the distract bitch lasagna with over one hundred million views is Hugh de pies. Most popular video the song takes its titles domain. Ridiculing broken English means online other YouTubers like Ethan Klein of h three h three. Have fanned the flames? Theory. One point four billion people in India. They are turning out YouTube views in unprecedented numbers. Bollywood is the Cornish on the history of the earth. And art all Indians, the goofiest people you've ever met in your life nam kidding. That was in response to PD pie. Ethan Klein and the waves of anti Indian hate on social media carry Manati made his own distract and Hindy capture. How Indians are processing feud? I've seen a lot of that say that beauty by it as a joke, and I've seen a lot of comments that save by not this other job, and they often and they are showing showing village. Dish love with. That means the world unites against our nation because people are saying that it's not just fury by cities. It's India's like alone in this in an effort to defuse vitriol unleashed by the subscriber war Pudi pie asked his fans to support a charity for Indian children play Shirke says the aggression exhibited by his most vocal fans suggests that for these guys racism is the principal fuel. He does offer lower case W lower case s white supremacy is that he is in that mode of white guy gamer for whom key exemplifies a kind of freedom to be cost him insulting without consequence. And that is something that has been given two white men more than two other members of society, and to Hugh that people who like Bonga and Bollywood. Music or going to displace him does. In fact, raise those cultural eggs is do we want an American in the top YouTube spot or do we want an Indian man succeeding better on a platform that us Americans created former gateway pundit White House correspondent Lucien winch at the right wing American priorities conference in DC the Neo Nazi site daily Stormer with tongue firmly in cheek called Pudi pie. The true leader of all racists, empty Semites and fascists hoping no doubt to entice a few of his Turnley ironic viewers while inciting hysterics in the mainstream press and Pudi pies also gotten the nod from Canadian psychologist Jordan Peterson who depicts PC culture and left wing politics as mortal threats to western civilization. Ray Jordan, what are you doing right now? Subscribing to pootie pie. What everyone has learned on all sides of the political spectrum now is how to take an isolated event in the world and added to the giant referendum on everything that we're currently living through even if PD pie doesn't mean it, especially if he doesn't mean it because he saying that if you don't mean it, it's kind of okay? Justa? Don't you brand, bro? Guests you don't like. Meanwhile in the war for subscribers the internet's Swedish emperor still claims the prize but his grasp is increasingly shaky smartphone penetration in India's less than twenty five percent. Which is to say the west has topped out. There will be incremental growth only when India has triple the number of people online that it has now something that's not possible in the US or Europe t-series will leave Pudi pie well behind this is kind of John Henry and the machine right? There's this last ditch attempt by PD pies fans to kind of create fake demand to push him over the eighty million Mark, which they've which they've done eighty million subscribers, but a lot of that's people second Email addresses or people doing it as a joke, like his view cancer aren't going up as fast as scrub Ken. This is not an audience anymore. But it's not even a competition because the t-series people don't care we asked Louis media analyst and the eleven year old son of our executive producer catch. Rogers to offer some perspective for middle school. Louis says that subscribing to PD pies more mean than anything else. In fact, he sees the current competition is merely a temporary reprieve for a brand that was already losing its luster some people I could see them listening to one sentence of PD pie. And just hating him thinking he so racist. And he is a lot. Also, sometimes I could see him just doing it to get more views just to get money. I don't feel like he's actually really trying for good content. So no one really watches videos, if they subscribed appear depri-, they just press scribe leaves channel. Right after this whole series thing. He's gonna be gone. No one's going to care about him. I'm guessing that not many of you ever did care about him. But this show is about big symbolic issues. So I'll end on the ones addressed earlier this hour, the perils of capitalism, and what happens when the basic human need for attention is denied and wrap them both up in the saga of Pudi pie this week ally. Pariser wrote in time magazine about restoring dignity to technology, and he drew on the work of Harvard researcher. Donna Hicks who tracked how violent conflict around the world arises from assaults to human dignity. How being excluded stimulates the same part of the brain as a physical wound Pariser laid out how online platforms like Twitter, Facebook and YouTube threaten our dignity. Ignoring what we want and distracting us with what we don't. So that we stay stay stay. Eager eyeballs. Angry eyeballs anguished eyeballs roll worth the same beauty. Pine knows this. And he may be sorry. But not that sorry, extrapolate to the culture. It's not hard. And you'll see that it doesn't respect us either. I used to blame human nature for the messes. We made online and off. But I'm starting to realize that our natures are plastic. We could be enticed easily to be our better selves. But we wouldn't be worth as much because we wouldn't need to stay so long. That's it for this week show on the media is reduced by Alana Casanova Burgess, Mike alot, injure, laya fetter, John Hanrahan and Oster chatter vetted. We had more help from Sandra Ellen and our show was edited by broke our technical director, Jennifer Munson engineers this week which saying bear and Josh hat. Urologists is our executive producer on the media is a production of WNYC studios. I'm glad stone and our Bob Garfield. On the media is supported by the Ford Foundation, the John s and James L Knight foundation and the listeners of WNYC radio.

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January 24, 2019: Hour 2

"This message comes from here. And now sponsor indeed if you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast. And it's now day thirty four of the partial government shutdown in many federal workers are bracing for a second missed paycheck tomorrow. One of them is Leslie recent mother of three who works for the US marshals service. She is a management in program analyst, but she has furloughed not working not getting paid. She joins us now from mount Clemens Michigan. Leslie, welcome. Thank you. So how are you? How's your stress level, my stress level is at ninety ninety five percent? It was extremely high before all of this happened because of some life issues that happened this year. So I mean, I was extremely stressed to begin with. And this pretty much has reached an all time high and tomorrow, it's likely to get worse because it's Friday, it's payday you're gonna miss another paycheck. So a full month without pay the that's correct. And what some people might not realize is we have a lot of deputies that have stay at home wife. So they're the sole income and for other folks to say, well, how come you didn't have a savings or why don't you reach out to family? Well, a lot of us are paycheck to paycheck for a single parent. And a lot of us. We we just don't have the capability to just go to mom or dad and asked for money. So can we talk about about your finances? Then because as you say you didn't have that emergency savings fund like we're all supposed to have. Right. That's crack are you able to make your rent payment coming up this month. No, I've actually had to reach out to any. Community action nonprofit organizations I hate reaching out to people on this is actually quite an embarrassing situation that I actually had a posted a gofundme page because I have called anybody that will listen to me or posted what's going on. I've actually visited food pantries for the first time, and I'm completely humbled by this experience. But you know, the Michigan unemployment agency, I've started that a month ago and just for an example out there for folks unemployment you max out for Michigan at least as three hundred sixty two dollars a week. So as a single divorce mother my Michigan unemployment my ex husband's going to get half that child's in. What's your rent payment, the ramp payments over a thousand dollars a month? So you're stressed. You stretched thin to down to the wire. Where I was just able to get a little bit of, you know, gas in my vehicle, and I can't even pick up my prescriptions. Are you a worried about getting a victim that if this continues to go on -absolutely, you have three kids, right? Yes. What are the names? Rebecca is seventeen years old Sophia is nine and Connor is six how are they taking this? And what are you telling them Rebecca would be the one that knows the most about this because she's a senior this year. So she sees the news, and she knows what's going on with the media Sofia's in the fourth grade encounter just started kindergarten. But even they can tell that mom is stressed out. There's been times where I have them on the weekend. And they're like can we go for Kramer? Can we get pizza, and no you can't do those type of things? No. I don't know. If you saw this news today, but commerce secretary Wilbur Ross made a statement, he said that he does not understand why federal employees. Who are furloughed or who've been working without pay during all of this would need to go to a food Bank. You've gone to food Bank. You're going to one what did you say to the people who are in charge of the government who are saying things like this that you should have may be saved more money or that, you know, really need to go to a food Bank. I would say that first of all maybe they should experience something like this and go without a paycheck. We are civil servants. We are the community that voted these people into office instead behind now. So one of their main objectives should be to have some type of amphitheatre. I guess the question is I've been wondering this for the eight hundred thousand people who this applies to after all that service. You've given the federal government at what point do you say, I need a new job. It's funny that you ask that I've ever actually been looking the jobs really aren't out there either. Because what happens is when you. You make a certain amount of money. And then when you're at that level with the government, folks, like, you know, a CVS even local restaurants. They all want resumes. Are you saying you're overqualified for the judge? You're looking for. Yes, absolutely Peba folks won't even look at you. Let's loosely Reza management and program analyst for the US Marshall service in Michigan facing yet another missed paycheck tomorrow, clearly, this has been painful for you and your family. Thank you for speaking with us about it. And and good luck to you. I appreciate it greatly. Thank you so much. We'll Airbus warned today that it may move some of its manufacturing out of the UK of Britain leaves the European Union without a deal. The aircraft maker joins a growing list of businesses that are already stockpiling goods or shifting overseas amid the uncertainty over Brexit earlier this week Sony said it will move its European headquarters from the UK to the Netherlands to avoid disruptions related to Brexit labor party leader, Jeremy Corbyn, spoke in the house of Commons. Yesterday. The save AI. Mr Speaker says the projected impact of no deal on the UK economy would be devastating leaving with no tail what bay a hammer blow to manufacturing industry in this country, costing jobs and damaging living standards. The CBI is the confederation of British industry. That's the largest business lobby group in the UK. Joining us now is BBC business. Reporter Russell Padmore. Russell welcome good to be with you. So how worried overall our businesses in the UK at this point about Brexit? There is a situation as the political uncertainty continue so businesses don't really know what they should be doing the future how they plan and what should be in the strategy. And remember this is not just about British companies. It's about many foreign companies multinational corporations with a headquarters in London. Some of them already deciding they don't want to be outside the European Union. So they've decided to move the headquarters Japanese corporations like Sony Panasonic. Nelson long ago, and Jeremy many banks are also looking at the possibility that they need to protect themselves by having a financial operation creating another headquarters somewhere in the European Union. Whether it be Amsterdam possibly Paris a lot of moving to Dublin in the Republic of on. And while we were in Paris in the fall, and the head of the French banking federation said to us that Peres could benefit for Brexit because the financial sector may shift as you say from London to perhaps Peres, how is the financial industry in particular doing there in London? Well, you have to remember that London beyond New York could count itself as the second biggest threat full financial trading. So naturally, the city of London's financial district and the adjoining canary wolf area, where financial companies are also base would like to know that the future is set. And we have this issue of so-called passporting. This is why any Bank operating in any of the EU countries at the moment can cross trade. Cross them take the trade across the different Bodas in the European Union financial possible for want of a better phrase. But once Brexit kicks in much, the British are outside the European Union. A new deal needs to be put in place, and that's worried a loss of the companies in the financial sector, hence, they've decided that maybe London is still important. But for the moment, we need to relocate, and there's been a great competition from some of the European cities from member Frankfurt is the financial capital of Germany. The European Central Bank is based there Paris has a major stock exchange. They want to get many companies moving to the district which is called ladder false, which would be the business same in Paris and Dublin too slowly. But surely, another British companies have looked at all, and as the place to be probably because I learned is that one country in the U, which also says the English language Russ. I want to ask you one more thing as people are so uncertain about what is going to happen next with Brexit. Our order. Mary people in the UK just sitting on the sidelines waiting not making any investments because they they wanna make sure that they know what's going to happen. At least in the next couple of months. Older. People are quite worried about predictions from the Bank of England, for example, about all the certainty chopping off quite a lot of the economic value of the UK. The economy's going to slow significantly after Brexit, according to the Bank of England. And if there's a situation that you crush his out in other words, the British leave the European Union. The divorce happens with no deal on a future relationship in place. Then all the predictions all that is going to be a really horrific situation for the British. And with talk about what's key here in the UK is the housing market. A lotta people make postal investments in their own home. All some just invest in property while there's talk about a property crashes. Well, I'm not frightened a lot of people off we've seen the value of properties, particularly in London and the south east of England, which is the economic heartland of the UK property prices. Here a fallen significantly all based on the worries about Brexit is all about uncertainty the politicians consequently. So the people really as you say probably sitting on the sidelines, and that's creating this situation the property market and other areas of business because a lot of investments have been effectively people businesses have been pressing the polls button, not knowing what to do an others have been protecting themselves moving out of London already. And we hit talk about for example of companies hiring warehouses to stockpile equipment to stop pile supplies. The automotive industry, particularly the big Japanese companies, Honda and Toyota here, and this end have said, they're probably going to put a polls on their production in late March or April until they can sort out from their own point of view. What the situation is going to be about Brexit that is Russell Padmore BBC business. Reporter joining us from London Russell. Thank you. Jeremy always great being thanks. And by the way, next step and Brexit could be next Tuesday. Will vote on Theresa May's plan B. We'll see what happens here now. President Trump announced late last night that he will wait to deliver his state of the union speech until after the federal government reopens. It was a concession to speaker of the house Nancy Pelosi who said she wouldn't let Trump address a joint session of congress until the shutdown is over essentially was elected speaker on January third Pelosi has emerged as a formidable foil to the president doubt characterize. That I bring for this as leader of the House Democrats that was Pelosi in the Oval Office last month warning the president during a meeting about immigration, but how does Nancy Pelosi compared to past speakers for a look back at this important job. We're joined now by historian Nathan Connolly co host of the podcast backstory. Nathan do hey and at airs, Ed it's good to be speaking with you again to thanks. So speaker of the house big job number two in line for the presidency and Nancy Pelosi household name today. John bainer, Paul Ryan. But who was the first truly famous speaker of the house? Henry clay who would have been in fact, a bigger name than those folks in this time and justly so because he basically invented the speakership that we know now he said, well, here's the thing. I'm gonna give you these committees and legislation will go to those committees. And they may never come out. I'm gonna give you thority those committees to determine what we ever talk about. And I will actually choose on those committees. And so he basically controlled is kind of traffic cop all the legislation that came before congress knows early year. So he's speaker three different times during eighteen teens and twenties when all this is up for grabs. And he basically grabs a whole lot of the power. So it is a powerful position. And you'd think that being number two in line to the presidency that it would be a launching pad to that job at only one speaker has ever done that. Yeah. And people might guess for awhile they'd like to have this at a cocktail party occupant was an answer. So they can know it's James k Polk, which maybe is not the first name to to leap to mind, but poke comes in as Andrew Jackson's hitman in a way, he basically comes in and make sure that the Democrats which is a new party gets everything that they won. He silenced the opposition. And the big issue that he's dealing with is slavery. And he is the the one who basically develops what people would have heard of as the gag rule that we still talk about today. He basically invented this to stop congress from receiving massive petitions that were coming in against slavery all across the north. And so he stacks a committee with eight people of his own party and once sympathetic person to the other and these petitions go in and never come back out. Okay. So let's talk about some modern day speakers and to do that we're going to have a little bit of a quiz. I don't mean to stress you out. I think you're gonna do just fine because we have some archive footage. So let's here this first one. Kimber this year. I would have served to speaker for sixteen years, and I have to serve just a few months longer in order that I might have doubled the service of Henry clay who serve a speaker of the house longer than anyone up to my time. He served eight in the third year. Okay. I'm going to give you a little hint. That was nineteen sixty interview with reporter Eddie Barker, and it was courtesy of the Briscoe center for American history any any takers on this one. I'll see if I can take that one. I'm to say elbowing now the extra go ahead. I set it up for you, then Rayburn. Yep. That's fan. Roeber? Tell me about the great state of Texas. So Sam Rayburn is a very critical figure in shepherding the house through you know, some extraordinary times in the twentieth century. The the great depression was just at the Wayne when he steps into the speakership in nineteen forty and America where Lewis trying to figure out what involvement would be in World War Two that was not yet decided in nineteen forty now. What's in critical about about Rayburn two things one? He's coming into this period at a time when there's broad disenfranchisement of African Americans across the south. So what that means is he's running from safe seat. But many of the committee chairs are also running from safe seats that gives him the ability to be a very, you know, light touch speaker of the house. He doesn't have to do a whole lot. But can said let the committee chairs really dictate the agenda inside the house, and that makes them very popular and less fraught with the kinds of fissures that would. Potentially shortened his term. So the length of his time at speaker is directly related to what the political scene is in the United States, particularly around voter disenfranchisement, even in Texas specifically where they're running an all white primary until the mid nineteen forties. So so the the mid nineteen forties is also a time when Rayburn is stepping into his role as a bridge builder. He actually is responsible for securing the vote a one vote margin that allowed the country to run the draft and gave us the military that we needed to effectively win World War Two and he's serving constantly as an intermediary between more conservative corners of the congress and the new deal coalition that is still holding together through the forties. Okay. That's Sam Rayburn his legacy is enshrined. There's an important building on Capitol Hill named after him. Let's see if we can guess this next one. And oftentimes as I watched him give the state of the union message and with real the nation 'cause he can handle media better than any man. We've ever had on the history of this government. But he was Billy talking heads like an actor that had prepared a script. All right. Any takers? Merely talking word. It's a great line. So I I hear a certain accent there. That sounds like it's Massachusetts close. Yes. Very close. Exactly, a special relationship with Ronald Reagan, of course, a Republican. But tip O'Neill was a democrat. Yeah. I mean, so so tip O'Neill, actually succeeded. John F Kennedy's old seat in Massachusetts in the early fifties. And in some ways, you could kind of think of him as the last great northern liberal in terms of people who had political power in Washington. We know Dukakis for instance, didn't succeed in trying to attain the White House. So, you know, tip O'Neill was there as a kind of opposite of the sunbelt politician. Ronald Reagan, the two of them certainly shared you any number of barbs and traded barbs in public, but in private the two men were by many accounts, friends, actually brokered a number of deals after hours. I mean, in some cases, one could think about the whole moment. Washington is one that was slightly less overtly personal in the attack. Although, of course, tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan. We're not opposed to giving each other the business in public. Not one thing about about tip O'Neill as well as that. He in many ways became a kind of. Elaborately in the speaker's position because there were ways in which television with itself crossing this divide between celebrities and the political class. Reagan obviously is is the top of that. So I mean, I actually remember as a kid growing up in the eighties watching TV, and, you know, just having images in my mind of seeing tip on television for for any number of reasons. And so I think it's important to to think about the speaker's position as a symbolic one. And to do that you really do have to appreciate notable Neil as one of the early faces on the new kind of political celebrity approach. Okay. By the way, you're doing great here in this in this quiz. We got one left to go this. I'm gonna just give you a hint right away. This is a conservative a Republican. Okay. Where here because we are taking the first steps, and we're taking them in a contract with the American people a speech in nineteen Ninety-four that word contract was very important. Well, if Nathan can track a Massachusetts accent and understand I can do the same thing with the Georgia accent. So I believe that would be Newt Gingrich. Rich where does he right? Well, we're we're gonna we're gonna remember him because he's one of the more recent ones, and he's still offering commentary right in the in the here and now, but I think there's also a way in which you know, Gingrich's tenure was certainly even more polarizing than the tip O'Neill Ronald Reagan era. And of course, he tries to go toe to toe with the president and effectively loses around trying to basically keep the government open or failing to do. So so Gingrich has a I think a history that is never really solid in terms of the great speakers in history he rose to power in the mid nineties as I said in that Republican wave at ended forty years of democratic power in congress Ed at your thoughts on Newt Gingrich. Well, I think in some ways as Nathan suggesting he became the most famous after the speakership he's been able to use that for decades now to become a pundit. So he's not actually empower very long, Loughrey, burn or or clay. But he's able to. To parlay that into kind of a media presence that it's kind of power. I think it'd be remiss not to we've been talking about history, but not to talk about modern history and just wrap this up with Nancy Pelosi historic figure in her own, right. How do you think? History will view Nancy Pelosi. I think there are two ways to view her contribution so far. I mean, obviously with the Obama moment in the early two thousands close he was in a very important position to basically, shake the new Democratic Party up. But there are ways in which things she tried to hold a somewhat conservative line, or at least a middle of the road tack as Democrats were concerned now with the new crop of Democrats in the house. There are you know, there's a sense at least that Pelosi's job is to basically shepherd this new group and bring the Democratic Party party slightly to the left. I mean, her flank is now, you know, much more animated much more active, and in some cases, it's going to be a test of her legacy to see how she's able to institutionalize some of the folks who. Are now trying to pull the the Trump administration's agenda to a more leftward lean and that's very interesting in terms of content. Terms of process in some way. She's a throwback to these very first speakers that Avas talking about she knows how to use politics. And whereas Gingrich was more of a public facing sort of media presence Nancy Pelosi knows how to use the the power of the speakership or she's trying to use it, you know, with President Trump state of the union address and so forth. So it's interesting that she sort of more bare knuckles politician than some of the people that we've had more recent times inspired by Henry clay. That's at Ayers and Nathan Connolly historians. And host of the weekly podcast backstory. It's always good to speak with you. Both. Thanks, mitch. This message comes from NPR's sponsor, indeed when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast with indeed post a job in minutes, set up screener questions then zero in unqualified candidates. And when you need to hire fast, accelerate your results with sponsor jumps new users can try for free when you sign up at indeed dot com slash NPR, podcast, terms, conditions, and quality standards apply. Buzzfeed is laying off a big chunk of its staff. According to a company memo from CEO Jonah Peretti the layoffs will affect about fifteen percent of the workforce or more than two hundred employees BuzzFeed hit its revenue target last year. But the company is still losing money and BuzzFeed, isn't alone. Gannett and Verizon media group are also on a firing spree this week in what could be a larger contraction in online media for more. Let's bring in Robyn Farzad, host of public radio's full disclosure. Hi, Robyn, good day, sir. And let's start with BuzzFeed. What do we know about why BuzzFeed is laying off so many employee's presumably Jeremy BuzzFeed is trying to approach some sort of profitability that it can maintain. I mean that's critical for a startup at several rounds of both venture, capital and media company. Investors folks, who at some point one is see self sustaining financials at least before kicking in anymore money. Buzzfeed you'll have to recall has raised nor. Of a half a billion dollars in a decade. And probably a lot of our listeners recall that BuzzFeed has been in the news in the last few days because they published that story alleging the President Trump directed his former attorney Michael Cohen to lie to congress about plans to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, and then the special counsel Robert Muller took the rare step of disputing buzzfeed's account. Is there something larger going on at BuzzFeed is it struggling to define itself? I mean, the company is still standing by that story, but this speaks to essential conundrum, Jeremy of digital journalism suppose, it was the breaking story of the decade imagine BuzzFeed, which also does listed on cats and LaCroix water, you know, suppose it ended up taking down the Trump presidency would that necessarily have subscribers and advertisers and even acquirers flocking to BuzzFeed. I mean, that's a purgatory that it just has to endure. No matter how great our work is the underlying business models still isn't there? And what about what's going on at Gannett which owns a lot of low? Local newspapers, and they announced that journalists at the apples star the Knoxville news sentinel, the Zona Republic and many more across the country are also losing their jobs this week what's going on there. I mean, look at Twitter today, you have laid off huff PO and and Gannett staffers announcing their availability. There was this euphoria few years ago that the buzzfeed's and Huffington Post and other digital natives of the world they figured out a way to make money on journalism is consumed on on smartphones. But outside of the New York Times and the Washington Post, and maybe two or three other incumbents. No one has really succeeded in in profitably transitioning from printed digital Gannett is really feeling that in spades. In connect- is also dealing with the possibility of a buyout from hedge fund. Right. That's right. This alden. Global capital owns digital first media. This is a hedge fund acquire of newspapers that believes in cutting even muscle where necessary to maintain a level of profit margins as as overall revenue shrinks, I think the MO is pretty much guys. It is what it is don't go blowing money on digital pursuits cut now and be financially disciplined. But of course, newsrooms and journalists their advocates hate this and think it's just corporate rating, pure and simple, right? And the other option, of course, something like what's going on at the Washington Post where a billionaire or and other big newspapers where a billionaire steps in and says, I'm I'm willing to lose money for a while to be this newsroom or the option that we're dealing with right here in public radio, which is that we rely on our listeners and others to to pay for it. And they they do at the moment, at least in a lot of places. That's right. The New York Times most notably its most convinced subscribers to pay up and pay a lot from online access even as its print revenue shrinks, it's kind of publicly owned, but it's real decision-makers control a special class of stock. So ideally, you'd love a billionaire, right? But this story has been concluded in full yet. The Senate votes on two bills today that would put an end to the thirty four day partial government shutdown. Neither is expected to pass this stalemate in Washington over funding for a border wall has real life significance along the border. And that's where I was earlier this week in no Gallus Arizona where a steel fence topped with razor wire already separates, the United States and Mexico. Santa Cruz county sheriff Tony Astrada has been in border law enforcement, so long that the building where he works in Nogales is named after him. We met outside his office from our vantage point, we could see intimates ago. The American flag was whipping in the wind overhead. I see right behind me. Your name is on this building probably been doing this for a while. Yeah. Fifty one years going up to two years twenty five years with no gal police prominent twenty six years as sheriff of been elected a total of seven time. That's a record here the own Hispanic trip and. Hold state of hers. Ona I am probably one of the few Democrats at least the only democrat along the border, and obviously I'm the oldest one too. So it sounds like you might be the right guide ask this question of is there a crisis at the border. I know there there is not I think the biggest crisis. We have is a nation beside other things is probably the drug problem. We have here, you know, he legal immigration pales compare that drug problem we have here in the United States. We have five percent of the world's population. And consume over fifty percent of the world's drug. We have a real issue with drug immigration can be settled could be reformed comprehensive immigration reform. You can actually tackle that you can actually work on it. You can actually solve it. The problem with drug. There's something that's really going to be a challenge for us. Okay. Let's talk about the drugs, then we can see we're up on a hill. We can see over into Mexico is that where most of the drugs are coming from are they coming through this area. Definitely a lot of this is a major quarter. And the reason for it is because you have. A major highway on the Mexican side and Sonora that connect with the major highway ten interstates here and no Galveston related you up to two son in Phoenix. So we have a major quarter and in that quarter. We have international trade. We have thousands of tractor trailers approaches that come over every day. We also have from the twin plants when monkey Lagoda industry. We have the raw materials that are sent into Mexico assemble brought back then you also have a Union Pacific got boxcars hundreds of them going and coming back. It's a very robust active border. It sounds like you're saying those drugs, and we've been talking a lot about this during this debate over a wall, they're coming through the ports of entry. Definitely a lot of the people. They arrested the port venture here. They bring them over to aren't facility here overnight, and then take him to a federal court up in Tucson what I have noticed for a long time is that the majority of the Hardrock are coming through ports of entry to give an example on December twenty. Second. There was a truck driver with a tractor trailer with caught with hundreds of pounds of narcotics k at the deacon tinny port of entry and also at the pedestrian lane and Morley avenue continuously the agents are seizing drugs, and it's hard drug money one also, but the majority of the Hardrock coming through there if you check with border patrol you will find out that in the rural areas, they're not seeing too hard drug never seen. Somebody wanna even then that has been reduced tremendously. Have you noticed any change in the types of drugs that are coming over? Definitely I would have few years back. We would really be scared when we saw how nces a methamphetamine now. We're talking pound. We're talking Keillor tuck in hundred methamphetamine a real danger. Fenton one that demand. I mean, people are probably saying, okay, mighty one is not quite good enough for me. I won a bigger longer stronger high. So they're going into just about everything they're going into fellow meth cocaine heroin and mighty one. Of course, we've got legalize money one and a lot of places in Arizona, obviously looking at that as well. So would a wall do anything to stop that from from coming over not unless you put a wall at the ports of entry. And you don't let anything come through. And of course, everything dies on both sides of the motor border. So it it's a ridiculous attempt to try to convince people that that is going to stop drugs from coming into the United States. It is not going to stop unless you address the demand on this side, and you address the supply wishes coming through Mexico for a long time told people the United States took their eye off Mexico for too long friendly little nation. And all of a sudden, look what we have. We have a nation where he most of the drugs and people are coming. Through their border into the United States. So we we took our alpha Mexico now we've took our I F Central America as well. And this is what we're facing right now. Sure seems like the eye of America is on Mexico and on Central America now. So clearly that has shifted quite a bit. And it has for years. I mean, I was in Arizona in two thousand and ten living here as a journalist we were covering immigration, we recovering Mexico extensively. What do you think is changed? Well, I, you know, obviously, Mexico has changed sometime for the better. Sometimes for the worse, obviously, there's a lot of corruption government corruption as well. The United States obviously had to get more involved to be more diplomacy has to be more assistant to keep in mind that Mexico is a friendly nation has bite of all the problem at has still a primary nation. President Trump is talking about five point seven billion dollars for this wall. Sounds like you're making the point that a wall is not what we should be focusing on. But if. If law enforcement if the federal government did have five point seven billion dollars extra to spend on border security. What should they spend it on? Definitely not on the wall. Obviously, you can see we have a bullet fantastic strength miles and miles east and mild amount west of the ports of entry here. So we do have some new hero ready or you don't have something in the real remote area, which is very dangerous, and very, you know, rural what you need and to start with. There's about a hundred bacon sees at the ports of entry of offers. If you're going to vet people in droves coming across the border, you need more people at the ports of entry. That's what you need you need, maybe more boots on the ground. Maybe more technology. We've got all technology. Here got got floodlights. You've got censored you've got cameras you've got boots on the ground. You got air support you have everything in this mall county. And I think it taking care of the problem. We're not having a crisis here. He you go downtown you buy the boreal find out that everything. Normal. I mean, it's not like the rhetoric that people are scrambling through the ports of entry with drug and everything else. It just not the reality. What is happening? It's happening. Very subtle way. People are coming across. Yeah. Stain overstaying their visa fall documents false claims. A lot of reason. Now, the sometimes even dig themselves under the ground. There is a problem that is happening. We've also had two children recently die in federal custody. We just over in the Yuma sector a couple of days ago. We learned that Mike a group of migrants tunneled under the fence a record number of them giving themselves up for asylum. Many of them were children in families. That is a problem. Well, it is a challenge. There's no question about it. And it is a problem. And it is a crisis for these people that are coming thousands and thousands of miles for a better life. They're the ones that are suffering as a result of what's happening in their countries. Now America is like a magnet. It will draw the people because they looking for something. For themselves and their family, and you can't blame them. You know, th the reality out is that people are going to keep coming as long as you have these issues in Central America, even in Mexico that that is not going to stop the wall is gonna stop them it, it's it's it's not going to be the answer. What's your message to people across the country who here the president and his call for this wall? And and the and his call for Democrats to come to the table to end this shutdown. What do you say to them from your position here on the border? But I can tell you that I was born in Galveston around Mexico immigrating, what has a toddler he legally at that time, and I have been in law enforcement here for quantum fifty two years. I've seen the community that border. You know, the ball that seemed the dynamic on it. What I would tell people you need to come down here and see for yourself that. There is no crisis down here. It's everything is normal ready. Yeah. We we have those issues of people coming across he illegally, and that will always be a challenge, but to consider it a cry. And and think that a wall is going to take care of the problem that's an illusion. That's a pipe dream. That's a fantasy. You have a lot of federal workers in this area is the shutdown affecting life year along the border. Oh, definitely the commerce. You know, obviously people that normally would be spending money here a real tight with their money right now because they're not not seen a paycheck and family member, close family of mind work with ice. And he says I'm good for about two months. He said after that, I'm going to have to do something about it. So it is not fair to holy people hostage. These federal employees. They're actually employees of the president. And yet he is holding them hostage. So that he can build the big beautiful wall. That is a fantasy of his and it's never going to solve the problem. It's not the silver bullet that's going to take care of drugs and people coming across the border sheriff Tony Estrada. Thanks so much. You're welcome. Eight hundred thousand federal workers are set to miss another paycheck this week and one of the things that has come to light yet again because of the partial government shutdown now in its thirty four th day is just how hard it is for many Americans to get through a month without a paycheck about fifty eight percent of Americans have less than a thousand dollars in savings. According to a survey by bankrate joining us now is Jeannie Fisher. Who's a certified financial planner with argue investment services in bowling green, Kentucky, Jeannie, welcome back to here. Now. Thank you for having me back at does that surprise you that fifty eight percent of Americans have less than a thousand dollars saved that surprises me actually, really doesn't surprise me. Because so many people live paycheck to paycheck. They don't even have the opportunity to build up savings account. And when you say that they don't have the opportunity is that simply because the salary just isn't enough to support putting money aside or people just aren't putting enough money aside when. They maybe should be. I think the one thing that I've really recognized over the past ten years is it's not so much about what you earn. It's about what you spend. And we as a society, regardless how much money you have coming in every month tend to spend every single bit of it. Komo's should people have in an emergency savings account will the general roles from the certified financial planning board of standard is about three to six months of your expenses. Now, I always tell people if you're doing come household. Maybe three months is enough. But if you have a high debt load, you only have one spouse, earning income, and you have maybe an unreliable career like a furloughed government worker, then you should actually be leaning more towards six or maybe even more months. It's interesting that you say and unreliable career because of course, many people believe that a government job is a reliable career in a reliable paycheck. You would think that, but you know, I was actually looking at some of the history of of shutdowns in their substantially more than you would expect. I mean, this is becoming a. A common card. I would say that our politicians are using negotiations. What kind of expenses should rainy day savings account pay for? I is it just, you know, putting food on the table or getting medicine or should they also pay for things like, you know, car repair or something maybe a one time expense or paying rent. Really? You know, you are not expecting a paycheck for a certain time period, you need to be able to cover all of your expenses. Now that rainy day fund can be used for one time hits like a car repair or a medical emergency. The key is is that you build it back up. So that again, if you ever find yourself without a regular stream of income you can continue to function. Okay. Now. Let's talk about the people who don't have the rainy day fund. What can they do? Does it make sense if you're a furloughed federal worker right now, and you really need the money to pay your expenses. Does it make sense to dip into a retirement account, potentially? I think that that's an option. I think there's definitely other steps you should take first before tapping into your retirement. Look, what will I think the whole nation is really pathetic with all of the furloughed government workers. So the first thing I would do is reach out to any creditors any utility companies and actually asked for extensions on the payments or maybe to wait some penalties. That's the first thing that I would do and what about using a credit card and just racking up a Bill. I think that's what most people will do because it's the easy option. But really that would be one of the last things that I do. Of course, you know, if you have friends and family that you can ask for help and get an interest free loan that will probably be the best place. You could go I actually recommend for anybody who has a home equity line open on their house, which is basically revolving line of credit on the equity in your home. That would be one of the first places that I would go to actually borrow money. If you don't have an emergency savings account, and what's a reasonable amount of money to be putting into that emerge. Agency account each month. Well, I think it's all going to depend on what your goal balances. Find your magic number. Maybe it's twenty five thousand maybe it's fifty thousand but that becomes priority. Number one hitting that goal amount is the first thing that you should be doing. And then once you hit that amount, then you know, your priorities can change you can start saving elsewhere. But that is a goal that you should be addressing aggressively. Do you think that there's any way that in five years or ten years from now that when we talk about this that the number will be different that it won't be fifty eight percent of people have less than a thousand dollars saved? Gosh, you know, that's a really great question. And I don't know that I know the answer can project, but what I can say is that there is significant research showing that the millennial generation the younger generations are actually making more financially sound decisions than their predecessors things. Like more millennials have financial plans. More millennials are apt to. I work with a financial advisor. So I would say the the demographic trends are positive. I don't know if they will stand the test of time, I think we all hope they will. I guess that makes sense that millennials would save like that. Because we the millennial generation started in the working world right around the time of the great recession -actly, I mean, and I'm right there with you. I graduated from grad school in two thousand and nine and I think millennials are also seeing the pressure that their parents the boomers have and they're seeing them trying to retire. And we're learning from those around us life lessons. I guess. That is Jeannie Fisher. Who's a certified financial planner with RG investment services in bowling green, Kentucky. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you. Jeremy? And here now is a production of NPR and WB you are in association with the BBC World Service. I'm Jeremy Hobson I'm off tomorrow. But I hope when I come back. Peter the shutdown will be over. We'll see don't hold your breath. I'm Peter down. This is here.

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"Welcome to America calling from Studio for nine Albuquerque Monica Brain. Do you think there's a cure for the coronavirus. Do you believe grand jury in New York he's empanel to investigate the trump campaign's collusion with Russia if so you are ignoring all credible evidence to the contrary and you're not alone social media is proving to be a fast delivery service for false and wildly exaggerated information even elected leaders on the highest level of pushing stories that are easily proven to be fake. We'll give you the ammunition to fight facts right after national native news. This? Is National Native News Antonio Gonzalez voters in. Tuesday's Kansas primary elected a Navajo woman for the Democratic nomination for the Kansas State House of Representatives district ten Rondo of Aldo has more Christina has would twenty six years old is set to become the third native American and youngest member in the Kansas legislature as the race will be uncontested in the general election three other. Native women and Kansas all won their primaries. Tuesday has what graduated from both Haskell Indian nations university and the University of Kansas and felt her presence was needed to represent everyone in Douglas County which includes Lawrence Kansas a lot of these issues that happen at our level. The people don't really experience this particularly like me I've grown up in not the best neighborhoods I've grown up on like wick in section eight housing reduced lunch programs, even tribal clothing from nation living here, and I don't really hear that much stories of like like that this wasn't like fifty years ago. This is pretty recent And just seeing that type. I WANNA see that type of representation statehouse and And I I believe I'm qualified to do this. Believe our voices I'm voice that you know a lot of us feel like that wasn't her being heard of and I hope I can bring that to the State House. has would one unofficially with two thousand, two, hundred, thirty, nine votes compared to Brandon Holland five, hundred, five votes and AJ Stevens. Four hundred fifty, five votes. This is Rhonda Nevada for National Native News. Native American US congresswoman cherise. David's was unopposed for the Democratic nomination for the Kansas Third District seat. She'll face Amanda Adkins November who in the Republican race Tuesday. The American Indian Graduate Center has received a twenty million dollar donation from writer Mackenzie Scott ex wife of Amazon's at CEO Christine Trudeau reports the American Indian Graduate Center or AIG see received an unprecedented twenty million dollar individual donation of unrestricted funds from Mackenzie Scott. Scott. said in a recent announcement tweet that the contributions following up on a commitment she made last year to give away a majority of her wealth in her lifetime she continued in opposed to be a medium that of the nonprofits elected that quote every one of them is telling complex challenges that will require sustained effort over many years while simultaneously addressing consequences of the Covid nineteen pandemic AFDC Executive Director Angelique Albert we are just a mess like. To be a recipient of this incredible generosity really honored that she's just trusting us to do the work that promotes equity and justice in our in our society. At the time she says, students were hit hard last spring enough for the organization to create a designated Student Emergency Fund that started in. March. So far the additional fund has distributed over two hundred thousand dollars to Aggie students emergency needs because of the pandemic. Cova fill impacting our communities and our students have a hard time. They still are having a hard time. So going back to school has created additional challenges because some universities are doing remote but some are not heading into the fall semester. Albert says funds will address student needs covering housing utility bill, and household item costs along with technology access. Scott's donation is the largest individual donor gift in unrestricted funds over Aig sees fifty year history the solutions journalism network who funds this reporting was also included in Scott's nonprofit donations. I'm Christine Trudeau and demand Honiara Gonzales. National Native News is produced by Kohana Broadcast Corporation, the funding by the corporation for public broadcasting. Support by the American Indian, higher. Education consortium working to ensure tribal colleges and universities are included in our higher education system. Info. On distance learning at a I H E C Dot Org. Support by Indian country counts reminding you that you can be a as hero when you fill out your census form today at my twenty twenty census dot Gov or by calling eight, four, four, three, three, zero, twenty, twenty. Native Voice One, the native American Radio Network. This is native America Calling Monica Brain. There's a conspiracy theories circulating that powerful people like Bill Gates started the corona virus as a way to inject people with tracking chips tied to five G. Cell Phone. Networks. Any evidence to support that is sketchy at best but a Pew Research Center. Study found that a quarter of Americans think it's probably true. Every day especially on social media, we are bomb bartered with stories, memes and musings that spread information that just isn't true or is greatly exaggerated. A good portion of Americans are not equipped to determine the veracity of what they're seeing twitter and facebook say that they're cracking down on false information. They've even labeled a tweet about voter fraud from president trump as false. So how often do you pass on information without checking the facts? How do you determine whether something comes from a trusted source? That's our conversation. Today you are invited to weigh in give us a call right now the number is one, eight, hundred, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight. That's also one, eight, hundred, nine, nine, native. On the line, we have Dr Moosa through our Tae. She's an assistant professor of justice and Socio Technical Change in the School of social transformation at State University and MADRASA is possibly Yawkey. Welcome back to native America calling. Thanks for having me. Also, on the line, we have Pamela Pereira. She's the director and founder of Media Savvy, citizens and chair of the New Mexico Media Literacy now welcome to native America calling for Maala. Hi thank you for having us. and to round out our conversation, we have Howard Schneider. He's the executive director of the Center for news literacy and a founding Dean for the School of Journalism at Stony. Brook. University. Welcome to native America Calling Howard. Thank you glad to be here. Murray's let's start with you. Where do you get information? You Trust what is your some of your trusted sources? Vs It depends on the topic at hand because as you know in Indian, country a lot of our. News doesn't. It isn't appearing in the mainstream sources, but usually I like to watch PBS news. Kind of go through. You know the headlines, Aljazeera NPR and CNN, and admittedly the things that catch my interest or usually what pops up on my social media timelines is what my my friends and colleagues are posting about. So you know and then and then I have a fair I I feel like I have a fair dose of just people who talk you know friends who say, Oh, my goodness have you heard this? What do you think and so? Yeah. So it's a little. It's a little bit of hearsay and a little bit of relying on the news sometimes for me. It'll. It'll be like a joke click somebody will make some sort of joke or like there was something going around about. Demons recently and I didn't know what it was related to, and then I go back to a trusted news source and find out in no it has something to do with one of president trump's tweets I think that's really interesting and It makes me feel a little bit better very said that you admit that Sometimes you get information just from you know folks what folks are sharing with you or something you see on your social media feed like that's okay right? It's it happened mean it's only human. What about you? Mila. Well I would say that I with me, I follow specific journalists on twitter. So I have very specific people that are follow or I will check the New York Times. So the post or depends sometimes I might just get my information from facebook but then I you know from like you said like from me or from. Certain kinds of something that somebody shared just to gauge what's happening or where people are at. Sometimes if I've lost track is I don't always stay up to date and. I don't check the news every day it's not I figured like if it's really important, I will find out about it. information travels very quickly. And then I go back and then I research they information so very much like you were saying or Maria was saying. Depending on the information. So it's science something to deal with, and then you know I I will go to my scientific sources, right and I mean I have to acknowledge that not everybody has time for for checking and double checking, and that's how we find ourselves in this circumstance where things that are just absolutely false continue to circulate and continue to. Have live in in our ethos of. Misinformation. Howard. What about you? You're the director of the Center for News Literacy, you must consume quite a bit every day. I'm Kinda News Junkie as you would imagine a former journalist and so I start my day every day with the Washington Post at York Times. I will you read carefully my local newspaper, which is very important. with to Newsday and I would urge everybody to get up on their local news. there was an interesting survey just released yesterday that said that people who regularly follow local news or eighty one percent. Or? Hold on hold on Second Howard, we've got a problem with your phone We're going to check with you and see if we can maybe like reconnecting get it a little bit better but you know what this is you bring up a really good point about local news and Marissa. Do you do you consider local news and important critical part of this? Media Diet that that we need to consume. Yes and I think it's particularly challenging for native people you know in here in the Phoenix area in Arizona, our local news is a little bit child. It's hard for us to actually find local news. It's a problem in the area in terms of that, our local news has really been been a number of I don't know how to put it but like you know mater major media mergers and so forth that have made it very difficult for local investigative reporters to get the stories that they work on pushed out and so a lot of times we actually don't really know about crime in our own communities we don't know about How local legislations are going things like that, we have to actually go and either speak to experts or go to community panels to find out that kind of information and an addition being a native person I mean for me when local news is also about I, rely on my tribal council for updates and taking a look at what India country you know has to say you know either through Indian country today or Indians Dot com about you know, how's it going in particular region? So. It's very challenging and that's a tough one. Particularly when it comes to if your tribe at you know doesn't have its own independent media or the media itself is run by the tribe and then you're you're left wondering like, okay. Is this information that I'm getting from this? And you know how does this? Go with what my cousins are telling me. They heard happened at the meeting and things like that. I Will Murray say we'll give a shout out though to their Zona Republic which actually has to native reporters. There right now and it seems through an an effort to have more diverse voices and things like that. You mercy you say that we need to have three good habits for getting good information. Tell us about these. you know this is based on the work of sanity united Spanish philosopher but he'd written about how people who are who endure systemic oppression sort of the three habits they need to have to be able to see through the distorted reality of oppressive governmental regimes right. So those three habits are humility. Basically a willingness to admit when you're wrong and at a willingness to admit the limitations of one zero knowledge and that you know partnered with curiosity also a kind. Of An internal drive and desire to find out about facts and follow up on stories and you know try to understand how something relates to one's own life and and then again the will the diligence right like the willingness to do that the habit the disciplines and the skill sets to follow up on facts claims of others and to expand your factual knowledge and you know I really appreciate that you have Pamela up at eight on because that you know the the Skills to follow up on what you find in the news is that's a that's a skill set. You know that requires nowadays like technical savvy as well and So those three habits combined, but I would I would add a fourth which is that you have to be willing to kind of go against the grain sometimes it's like it's very common for an individual maybe to be in a family or community where they're sort of the only I don't know how to put it but maybe sci-fi type. Person, knew the truth and maybe their family their community says, why are you spending so much time looking this up and you know or or doing that work and a person has to sort be willing to go against the grain and not kind of just agree to the body of knowledge that their community is is proposing if they think that it is fundamentally laced with false information. And that one's particularly important an tough right now when we think about cove nineteen and the the variety of information that's going around about you know this pandemic don't you think? Yeah it's really hard it's It's such. An unknown part of the reason is that it's such an unknown even for scientists that Deniau divisions and so forth people who are expert that it sort of just because something when we say something is unknown in science, it doesn't mean that we're completely ignorant. About. You know the features of the virus and so forth. But that that can be perceived by people who are maybe on trained in that scientific terminology as you know, it's it's made up. Unknown Exist or it's you know so that that is very confusing. It's very difficult for people to look into the literature I mean you know we even know highly trained physicians who are you know having to find the time to actually catch up on scientific literature is not it's really not an easy thing to do, and there's different studies that are coming out all the time. Some of these are in different languages in different countries. How do you? Get access for an ordinary person. You know who you know maybe they have access to the Internet. Maybe they don't. You know like, how are they going to be able to really follow up and find out what is accurate and factional about covid nineteen and Melissa I want to keep on this thread but we're GonNa go to a short break. If you want to get in on this conversation, one, eight, hundred, nine, nine, six, two, four, eight. Santa Fe Indian market. One of the largest media events in the world is moving online this year because of the Cobra nineteen pandemic, we'll take some getting used to both for the artists and for those who enjoy mingling with hundreds of artists in person we'll check in on Indian market on the next native. America. Calling. Support by the Colorado Plateau Foundation, a native led philanthropic institution supporting native led organization's protecting water sacred places and endangered landscapes, preserving native languages and uplifting sustainable community based agriculture. The Colorado Plateau Foundation approaches grant making as an active participant helping build networks community and organizational capacity proposals for grants that support the communities and cultures of the plateau are due September third at Colorado, Plateau Foundation Dot Org. You're listening to native America Calling Monica. Brain, sitting in frontier game. Would we are talking about information and misinformation today? Have you ever shared an article that later you found out wasn't true or maybe one of your family members shared something and you thought that can't be right. Did you look it up? Where do you get your reliable information? WHAT SOURCES DO? You Trust want to hear from you. You are invited to our conversation today. Give us a call at one, eight, hundred, nine, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight. Murray said Duarte is with us. She's assistant professor of justice and Socio Technical Change at the School of social transformation at a State University and Merdeka before the break you were talking about Good. Habits for getting. Good Information and You know these these covid nineteen conspiracy theories that are circulating anything else you want to weigh in on with that. Yeah you know one of the things that's really challenging about the covid nineteen conspiracy theories are you know I? It really breaks my heart. You know watching how these take shape in Indian country and Latino communities, and African. American communities is really hard because these communities that are already you know you know suffering from the structural inequities of of health health infrastructure in this country and public health infrastructure, and so it's just it's particularly challenging and one of the you know It's sort of like you have a conspiracy theory linked onto existing lack of knowledge or understanding about how virus works you know and how public health works and it's just It's very challenging. I. You know one of the stories that I have heard in the last few months from a colleague of mine expressed frustration with sort of ceremonial group that she belongs to who have a great deal of faith and strengthen their their tribal traditions. But who were sort of believing that Sort of a fatalistic view that creator would provide for them or you know that as native, they were strong inherently strong, physically strong that they probably wouldn't be affected as much and that is a type of misinformation and I it. It's not necessarily disinformation that it wasn't the attempt of leadership of the group necessarily to you know cause people to become ill or anything like that. It was just sort of a combination of You know faith hope and also a great deal of ignorance and that is it's really sad. It's really really sad because this is not a common cold. You know it isn't even the flu it's much worse. Yeah Yeah. That's true. Let's take some calls. We've got Joe in Taus tuned in on K. U. N. M.. What do you wanNA share halo there. Thank you for taking my call. Yeah. Because sometimes we listen to different programs, different stations and want to say one thing and another let's say another. But the way it is it's a real virus. And deadly. So the way I see it, we can be part of the problem or part of the solution. So if we take care of ourselves and take care of our in our families by using the measures, then we can avoid it. So it's all up to us. We can be part of the problem or part of the solution because if You listen to the news late for example, I listen to CNN and then I listened to Fox and one I'll say one thing and the other one another but we got you see we've got gotta use Common Sense Common Sense. Yeah. All right. Joe Thank you. Let's let's go to Jerry she's near Oklahoma City tuned in on key C. N. P. Jerry I know doing good good. What do you thinking about? I'm disappointed in What The lady I didn't catch. Your name was saying and really disheartened number one I'm a Christian number two I'm a thinker number three. I'm not a follower and number four I research nonstop day in and day out. I listened her kind of put Poo Poo people's ideas of positive thinking praying to Lord. for help, we also have an innate immune system I've listened to thousands of doctors Klein. I turned my TV off months ago I usually get online to listen to them repeat the same rhetoric and it really doesn't matter which channel you turn to they. All are saying the same, but you immediately turn that off and you get online and you find people all across the United States all across the world. Saying, totally different things I've got five thousand on my personal page and almost ten thousand in my own group. And all of us spend thousands of hours. You know collectively researching day in and day out. Plenty of doctors are touting Hydra. A chloroquine as a wonderful drug six, five years Approved drug all the sudden. Pharmacists across the nation and doctors across the nation are no longer being allowed to prescribe it. Pharmacists are being told to not fill the prescription when it is saving lives, doctors, online, or telling thousands or hundreds of thousands at least have died that didn't need to because they were put on event. When they found real quick Vince weren't the answer. So Jerry, it sounds to me like you. Are doing what we're talking about here, which is researching information in your finding that what the mainstream is telling. You was not you do not believe it and I want to give Murray and opportunity to respond particularly you know when when it comes to matters of faith that is something that is deeply personal and deeply important to many of us many of our listeners and so Marissa. What are your? What is your response? Oh you know. I think you're really I. think that is right that that face is extremely important to the healing process and many physicians. Really you know recommend that their patients who are ill and their families take a matter of faith that is that they practice prayer and that they rely on prayer groups and especially for those who suffered long term debilitating illnesses because you know quite frankly when a person is in that much pain and their suffering, it's like you really need to. Believe, you know I mean, sometimes that's what Kinda gets you from one day to the next. So I, you know I. Don't mean to suggest that you know that we need to leave religion or spirituality or faith out of the picture I. Think those are really important on the path to healing and in Indian country really you know that has our faith in our ceremonial practices are belief systems have really helped us make it through some very challenging hardships you know in our families in our communities. Yeah. So yes, I. Yes I. You know I didn't mean to suggest otherwise and thank you appreciate the motorist and Jerry I just want to point out that from the Federal Drug Administration FDA cautions against the use of hide your chloroquine or chloroquine for Covid nineteen outside of a hospital setting or clinical trial the risk of heart rhythm problems and so I wanna I, WanNa throw that back I want to throw that to Howard because based on what Jerry shared with us it sounds to me like. You do your research and you hear sources like the FDA which cautioned against it. Then you hear sources that other sources that say, no, we're using it. It's happening It works really well and. How do you know which one to believe Howard? Well I. Think the first thing you do is slow down You know we are all now condition to make judgments very quickly on the Internet the blessing and curses. You can find opinions that will reinforce anything that you believe. So. The first question is to ask who is giving me this information or they authoritative Have they done studies second what's the evidence they present? What's the evidence? Not How do they feel or believe what they think but what evidence do they provide for me to make a decision and then third question very important is what other people say we've got a few doctors saying this what do other doctors say and what evidence did they provide to me? That would challenge those assumptions and the forcing, and this is hard for all of us is to question ourselves. Are we open our? We really appreciate. To inflammation that challenges our assumptions. We all wanted desperately believe especially now that they're on medications. That will help that there are tours that will help and that's good. But are we letting that blind us to what really is happening? So what's the evidence? So I would suggest that those are tough questions we all have to ask ourselves. and. The other thing I would say in general is that. Journalistic truth is provisional. Changes over time. And it means that you've gotta follow the news and you have to make judgments based on the latest available information. So if it drug is cited early in the process as being potentially helpful, but then two weeks later, there are a series of tests and those tests raise serious questions. You've got to be ready to adjust look what we've been told about masks wearing masks was not crucial. Now wearing a mask is crucial, it's not that that original information with necessarily misleading. It was that circumstances changes as as we get new facts. It's one reason we have to follow the news on a regular basis and not get turned off or get cynical and say I'm not GonNa follow the news all the same we're gonNA. Make poor decisions if we don't act on the latest available information. What is the line between healthy amount of distrust of? Let's say the government and analysis of information you're consuming, and then just straight down a rabbit hole of conspiracy theories Howard. I think there's a difference between being skeptical and cynical. So you know we're teaching those literacy tests, thousands of students. On on Long Island in New York City as early as fifth and sixth grade, and we want them to be skeptical we want to teach them how to interrogate and not consume. But we don't want them to be cynical. So they're cynical. They don't believe anything. They're distrustful of anything that's not what we want. So being skeptical means the coming and interrogator rather than a consumer and means basically interrogating information. WHO's giving it to me? What's the evidence? What do other people say and before I act on this information? Including before I. Share it. I WANNA be pretty confident. That the information is reliable. This is not easy. This is tough for everybody about sixty percent of Americans now believe it's harder than ever to separate misleading information from reliable information in part because there is some very reliable information and news and it's being delivered in this stu this stu of misinformation disinformation, social media, infotainment viral videos. Opinions. Opinions masquerading as fact based information. Self expression masquerading as journalism, and so you know. This is a big job for all of us. We're we're not born with this. We're not equipped to handle this, which is why I'm such a passionate believer that we've got to start teaching to every one of our kids starting at ten and eleven, and that's what has to happen I. Think if this is GonNa Change long term I agree Howard I want to throw this out there to our listeners are you skeptical or cynical or maybe a little both and where do you get your information? How do you know that you can trust it? Have you ever shared something that you realize later that was completely not true. It's fine. fess up give us a call. The number is one, eight, hundred, nine, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight. That's also one, eight, hundred, nine, nine, native. Morita is one of the things that. You talk about as well as mistakes of scope and scale, and I WANNA talk a little bit more about that because. For example, the example that I have in my mind this mistakes of scope and scale is I see a video of a raccoon and a dog and their best friends and they you know and they're hanging out and sleeping together in the same head and all of these things, and so then I am automatically think like I could get a pet raccoon and it would be best friends with my dog. Because I saw a video of it. Talked more about that. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Not I mean I think lots of us. Have Known of Plenty of raccoons and dogs that are not. You know and yeah, it's it's so but right. So we see this especially on social media you know or or it's Howard mention infotainment, right? So we see. We have one observation. And, we want to base our whole understanding of reality based on that one out survey, Shen. But you know in science this comes from the scientific method. You know we have to have many observations to get a clearer picture of reality you know, and so that is what we call a matter of scope right? So you know if you really wanted to know, gee, you know I have this really cute dog and I just think raccoons of the super. cutest. Is the how likely is it that they would be great. You know companions you would probably want to you know talk with different people ask you know veterinarians Who specialize in you know taming wild animals, domesticating wild animals and bringing them into the home. You know what is the likelihood based on their observation their experience because they've probably seen a lot more cases of interactions between dogs and raccoons right so that will broaden your scope of you know the sort of the view you're the number of observations and. Then, scale has to do with questions of circumstantial evidence overtime. You know. So let's say at you you know Dazs and raccoons, maybe the age at different paces and they mature at different rates and maybe there's a time when they're super cuddly and cute together not that dangerous with each other and then there's maybe when they get older a little bit grouchy. Very territorial we don't know these things right though sale is about also has to do with the time series that what you're looking at these observations you know and also other kinds of Evidence right that relate to longitude. So it's it's It's it's not. So that's the problem. Right when we get these like one snapshot thing, you know kind of pieces of information. BITs. we're not getting an accurate sense of scope and scale. So with Kobe nineteen stuff, it's like you know we see these studies that indicate you know in this country at this time covid effective this population of school children or something like that right. But a scientists would look at that and say, Oh, well, this study only measures three hundred kids you know and here we. Are Looking at public schools in the US, and we're talking about five thousand kids, two thousand kids, larger numbers of kids. So this is again scope and scale by. So those are those are some of the considerations we need to think of when we consume these, you know very attractive bites of information through social media or something like that. You know what is the context of their existence? Yeah and then. What, how do you go about like for example, just reading the study. So you look at the study you're like Oh. This only has ten people in it or something like that But then also you know you might need to go and check other information check other sources see if. One of the things I'll do with the study is I'll look and see if there's been any reporting on it, and if there hasn't been than that kind of flies, a little warning flag for me like Oh, this is so new that. You know we need some reporters to check into this and to see what the information is behind it. That's our conversation today. We would love to have you join us and give us a call and tell us you know what how do you get your information? How do you know what you're getting is true and what do you think about all these cove nineteen conspiracy theories when eight, hundred, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight Support by Amarin Indian countries. 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And PA- meal I want to give you a moment to talk about you know what Howard emphasized about teaching young people this about. Getting to the the kids when they're ten and eleven, you have kids. What are you talk to your kids about about you know like checking their information and making sure that what they are consuming is true. Yeah I mean really in the end, our students are getting access to devices and information. From even before the fifth grade, but I think the average age of like a kid it used to be and I don't have a check that the latest state of it is about like a fifth grader, right so that's what gets a phone and so if they're accessing information than they need to know how to properly conduct research, how to know what's true not true were living in a different time in society where it's changing very fast and there's a lot of information and so it's hard to like get your. Bearings and it's not just our job as parents, but it's also educators need to become media and media-literate. You know and news literate and to be able to understand how to quickly function in this society with with the amount of information that we're having sift through to figure out what what's a fact and what's an opinion at the most basic level right you start figuring out what's true and what's not true and so with my kids and I have a child going into sixth grade in the child entering. High. School. And so we. Were very media-literate. Here are discussions around the table are of media literacy discussion how how does that take form? So for instance, this morning my daughter had done this book and it was a bunch of map. And it was maps around the world of stereotypes and maps about like aliens in like did all this different stuff? And so we were looking at the maps and we're looking at one specific map and we realized like because our bias like I'm from South America I'm from Bolivia, and so we wanted to believe that what they were saying about my country by route we're was actually true and so it was like Oh. Yeah. That's totally true. Right and so we have this discussion and then eventually back up and say, well, actually I wonder where they how they form this map and where they got the information from and like you know like what how it was it was somewhat scientifically based, and so it needed to have come from some. Some some kind of source or a series of sources that needed to verify the science behind the map. They were like it was just a book of math and so it was hard to figure it out. We went to Wikipedia, and then we try to figure out like is this true or not true what kind of you know what what they did and didn't do to get to you know to to to figure out whether this specific matter was true or not true, and so it is. Time consuming and it's a process, but it's a process that not only is a life skill, but it's a it's like a survival skill, a necessary skill to live and to function in this world we're no longer living in the seventies. We're no longer in the fifties like we're in twenty twenty. This is the world in which we live at is filled with our opinions and information and social media. You know my daughter has a phone and she has in her news feed. She gets like Apple News or what you know. So it's her phone and she gets all this news and she's spewing off all kinds of news and so we do that like wait a minute wait a minute. Let's slow down. Let's figure out like you know what what of this is actually true. So we always go the source and you know I think what's interesting is that What's the doctor that said it? Right, it just because of doctor said something if we're talking about something scientific like the corona virus. Are. The doctor of philosophy they have a doctorate in like you know what I mean like, right? What kind of doctor is this like? Is this a like a general md they like? Are they a doctor? What are their car proctor? Right, and then they're. Narrow saying doctor so and so said this well, you we you know we have to really in the end. It's sat part of light, bring it up altogether where it's like, what's the evidence? What others say right and? The idea of skepticism which is really an interrogation which is really just asking questions and asking the right question right like like a question like if If. This doctor you know like an actual medical doctor saying they have a cure for covid nineteen. Why aren't other medical doctors saying that as well why isn't the CDC saying why isn't the Food and Drug Administration saying it and those are the kinds of like interrogating questions that I think can be so important particularly when you're talking with young people but also Kind of you know, take away the fun of things as well. if you're always asking those questions you. Can't I just enjoy video do is it really necessary that I have to question everything? Do your kids ever familiar? Do they ever get I don't know like media fatigue. Media literacy fatigue. Well maybe. So you know at our in our home because I'm always we're constantly deconstructing so they'll be like, no, not now not now. In Georgia but. You know I can't let it go. You know there are certain things that like. Like, did that bother you you know or how does that make you feel or you know like we? We do that sometimes I mean, it depends it depends on what is happening right? It depends on what were interacting with and what type of information if we're discussing the corona virus or something as complex as that is very complex like we we need a lot of minds to have conversations. You know to figure out what's actually true. Where did you know where did your friend share that being about that thing and then let's figure out you know. So there's a time and place I get that like if they're watching a movie you have to suspend. Like. And what's happening in a movie? We're not gonNA like fully. There and my kids are pretty skeptical but like it's it's a learned skill you know and it's and that's and it takes practice and we have to constantly do it, and in the end, it's our responsibility to live a citizens you know in this digital world which affects our non digital world. So and I think that's part of it because everybody's spewing different facts and different information and what it comes down to is really. Again, going back to that slowing down but also what is our responsibility and really this should be not just part of. I should be instilled into every every classroom even before I would say, even if you're not talking about news like say fifth grade but you know, I know my my one of my kids was in third grade, it had to do a research project. You have to if you're going to research about flowers used in the medical like blend July is what my son was researching for third grade. He was assigned that flower to research, but it was all these like health properties. Colangelo. So now we're talking about like who says that the property like you know like yeah, I mean it's all about critical thinking skills and whether or not we are sharpening the critical thinking skills building on them with teaching our kids I, WanNa, squeeze in a call we've got. In, Cheyenne River on the shine river reservation in south. Dakota tuned in on Kfi Pi. Hey, the rea-. Thanks for holding. What do you want to share about this? Can you hear me? Yeah. Go ahead. Okay. So what I was thinking is that when we have car. facebook and social media is a lot of times when I get something that's Florida's through the Messenger part of facebook. It seems like those things don't seem to be true they're they're usually later I find out that I shared something that wasn't true. So you know I kind of feel stupid for for having shared it. So then I stopped doing that And then one of the things. That I did find in on facebook is that many times some of my friends who have a doctorate or master's or should know better They usually will share something that is not. that is that is true. So I kind of rely heavily on that as well as my own critical thinking skills as well as this true I didn't even see this on the news and is this something brand new and look at the new stores and listened to see his something that is like seeing that or or if. Somebody's actual opinion so. I mean that that plays into lot of what I share and reshare. I try to share good information because there's some people who follow me on facebook friends who, who will be share what I share and but but I think that it all comes down to. Really actually thinking about it and knowing what you're reading and if if you're actually paying attention to current events. I think that Some of the kids nowadays, they'll reassure things because they their friends do and many times. They are not true and and I hate to say that. But you know we end up doing that just because. In facebook or even twitter or any of those social media sites, many times those. Site when people should the social media so You know it's their friends sharing things returing and It might be the mind thought or people getting caught up and things or you know old this must be true. Because don't shit. I shared right I wanNA take that is such a good point. I WanNa talk about that because if you look at like owes so many people shared this so it must be true the that has to do with Algorithms and Maurice I know this is something that you look into and so would you wanNA share about that about the you know the just because so many people shared it maybe it has validity. Yes. Thank you for bringing that up. It also speaks to a concept that you know. That Howard brought up earlier, which has to do with the concept of the viral video. You know. So you know facebook and all of the social media platforms away they gained revenue it's through the circulation of content and and how that allows them to. You know if you like something or if you hearts something whatever you're you're you're you're you're platform allows you to do. It says something about your preferences and the social media companies they, collect your preferences and put them into these sort of profiles, these personas that allow them to then. I- Dems to and sadly, in the two thousand, sixteen election, it wasn't just you know products that they were marketing. It was also ad campaigns. You know how you were more or less likely to vote you know and you know, and so anyways, those the way that they do that the way that they sort of compile these personalized customizable profiles for marketers is through the use of Algorithms, and so they essentially have algorithms that categorize that speak to. You know the kind of sub communities that we are part of through our social media platforms So what that means is that certain types of content are more likely to circulate amongst you and your friends if you all, you know your. Friends I mean your social media followers and the people who follow if you all tend to share a similar. Sort of political persuasion consumer lifestyle you know maybe you're in a similar demographic age range or or race gender group for something like that region geographic region also influences that. So what that means is that some of the Content that we might be seeing through our social media profiles. It really is Kinda like were in an echo chamber where seeing content that is. Legible to us you know and if anybody has you know If you've had the experience of suddenly plugging into a group of friends or networks that are maybe in another country who speak a different language or something like that you may experience you know suddenly that there's a different type of content flowing into your space if you're in begun begin to be plugged into that different, very different cultural group. So, yeah. So and you and you would recommend that right like like spread it out, follow some different things because that. Will make variety in what you're seeing your feet right. and. So theoretically that works. We, actually don't know you know. So I just want to you know put a plug for the work of Ramazani Boston he's a researcher at UCLA talks about information bubbles and that. In this new sort of digital era of democracy that we really need to pop out of our information bubbles and you know try to. Forge networks with groups you know our cultural areas or you know news sources are very different from the ones that we normally are accustomed to. But yes but you know. So that might be best in theory than in practice because we actually don't know how these algorithms function you know and so that's part of the concerns with the power that the social media giant's the tech giant's have is that they do not reveal the secret sauce. create you know and push content to different sets of users. has it bridges on privacy concerns you know it has to do with issues of free expression in democracy, and it has to do with the social media giant's how they position themselves. Are they really in the media sharing industry? How much are they involved in journalism and how much are they just selling our data profiles to generate ad revenue? So so those are those are definitely Issues we need to sort of I i. I think that we need to really sort of take up through legislation but. That's just an extraordinarily hard thing to do in this particular climate where. Having. It just feels like we're awash in this information and disinformation. Well. Unfortunately, we're at the end of the hour. I could talk about this for days four days the. Thank you so much so much to our guest today Dr Murray said Duarte Pamela Pereira and Howard Schneider. We've got links to all of them on our website native America calling dot com. We're back tomorrow with a conversation about the giant event that is Santa Fe Indian market, which is going entirely online this year we'll see you tomorrow. Smoking gave me COPD which makes it harder and harder for me to. Have a tip for you. If your doctor gives you five years to live, spend it talking with your grandchildren explained to them. Now you're. 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Episode 430: Another Rorschach Test

Abe Lincoln's Top Hat

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Episode 430: Another Rorschach Test

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So you'll be watching the documentary and you'll say I sympathize with some of the struggles there's only ninety eight officers for the entire town of Flint extremely difficult to navigate crime is rampant and it is a dangerous job. So you do sympathize with the officers when it comes to them putting themselves in harm's way. And I understand it's extremely brutal. It's. Brutal hours. It's a horrible job in many ways. You don't even get that much cash for it. So I have empathy and sympathy for the officers when it comes to them putting their lives on the line. But then you also kind of see the flip side of that. After a new sheriff comes to town. I'm not going to ruin this. Because apparently on side stories, we talked about Lorraine a- the lorraina documentary, and some people said you spoil debt, and I'm like, it's a twenty six year old Lorena Bobbitt story. It literally is twenty six years old. I don't know. Like, I didn't we didn't spoil it. Everyone knows this story. It is it's old enough. It's five years. It can be it has been drinking for five years twenty six years old anyway, don't wanna ruin it. But at one point there's a sheriff that takes over a new sheriff in town, although he's actually part of the old guard and Flint again becomes much more aggressive sort of broken windows would Juliani did here in New York City. So then you start seeing a lot of unwarranted traffic stops, basically throw the book at him, whatever. And if you ever read the book to as day or if you've ever. Just looked at the statutes in this country. Everything is a legal. I Jay walked at least three times today. God knows what else I've done a legal today. Pine is probably illegal often is a legal illegal in some way, in some way. I'm sure though puffins. No being I am not illegal. I've never done anything wrong on the cutest little dog. Will why did you have to flee South Korea did run a small gang? Yes. I ran small gang in South Korea. But that's not why they sent me to where his sent me to mirror me. I didn't do nothing wrong. Then look at these. Hey, I can't even hold a knife. Good point puffins. You just you just one cross examination. I know you never did anything wrong. You're the best dog in the world. I am truly freaked out right now. I know that's my relationship with my dog, the the most well, that's not the most significant relationship I have, but it's a really significant relationship. So they get a new guard in their old guard actually new sheriff and he's been around for a while. And then they start stopping people for now wearing seat belts, not having their blinkers on whatever. And they're looking for drugs and looking for. Guns. And oftentimes they find nothing they show. They the clips that they do show of not finding anything when they don't find anything in those clips are like, okay, you're free to go. I wonder what would happen if the cameras weren't there. But then you also see this footage of them watching the day after the Philander Castille shooting. I believe it was Geronimo Janas. I think was the name of the guy the officer that shot him there watching that footage and their reaction when seeing that footage. Of course, you know, Falana was bleeding out his child screaming in the backseat. His girlfriend is like this is crazy, please don't die. She's in tears, everyone that watched that was like something wrong happened. I think the officer overreacted the man does have a concealing care license. The officer asked him to get his ide- seem like that's what he was doing the officer was like acting as if he was on crystal methamphetamine ICP concert. He just he just kept on yelling the effort. Over and over lane far cry in the moment, he really was. He was super into it. And so I'm watching that footage of Mike. Okay. There's no way that these officers can say that this is a justified shooting, but given their experience they say the first thing they asked was why was she filming? And it's like she was filming because she didn't want to get shot. That's why she was filming. And the second thing is when the news report came out there like, oh, he did have a concealed carry license. However, they found some marijuana in the car all of the cops faces were like, yeah. Well, well, you see and it's like marijuana possession is not a death penalty case. So no matter what. So it is a really interesting documentary. And I highly recommend you check it out. It's Flint town, and the mayor and the governor governor Snyder there, they should have all been arrested. They poisoned in entire town. You know, it reminds me and people are dying because of it and they're gonna have lifelong injuries and lifelong medical. Dishes. Even they say it goes on for three generations lead poisoning. So this is going to be a long process to try to cure these people. And it reminds me of what I'm sure Riki. Oh did. I mean, it just searing gas. It's a little bit quicker. Sure. But the outcome is the same. I think they should have all been prosecuted, and they should all change in the water supply from lake Huron to a finally polluted water supply one day a policy decision. One day changes the lives creates a legacy of pain. It's horrible. It's horrible. So check out the documentary Flint town, I highly recommend it and you'll be screaming at the screen sometimes. But it just gives you some good insight as to what the job of a police officer isn't a little insight into what how their minds work, and it is it is different than civilians mine. So that is for sure they are openly militant specifically towards the end of that docu series. And it's quite interesting. All right. So let's see other things to get to. And we'll talk. Very briefly about Roger stone. So Roger stone. I guess moron is like just an old in old out of touch idiot. He goes to the judge. He gets a sweet little deal. You know? She's like all right, bro. You can go out, and you can even talk to the news media. She's like, I I'm giving you a small gag order. Obviously, you know with the seven count indictment coming for Muller. I'm giving you a small gag order. Just don't speak around the court don't be a total jackass, and it'll all be good. Lil another old man on social media. Not understanding that it is goes everywhere. It goes over. It's not like a private little thing between your followers and friends. So this dumb ass puts a picture of the judge calls. It a sham trial all this stuff. And if that wasn't bad enough there was what looked to be a small sort of target next to the judges had. I've seen some reports where it's like it was over the judges head. But it was not it was just kind of to the side or it was dissolved EAC symbol reference. Odia? Ted Cruz is father could be sure. So anyway, he gets blasted for that. And he's like, oh, my God have made a mistake. So then he takes down the picture crops out target is puts the same thing. I really don't think the target is even the biggest problem here. I think it's you openly criticizing the judge of your case. I am not a genius. And I'm not a lawyer. But it just seems to me like be nice to the judge. It just seemed if I am a defendant facing serious serious time in prison. I think I would just be sending cookies. Yeah. I would be like, it's Valentine's Day. And who did I think of I you judge. I love you so much. Here's a wonderful sayings singing flowers, proclaiming my love for you. He did not go that route. Instead, he went the public attention route thinking that somehow the that that's gonna make this oath e-eh trickle that the trial itself won't be real. But my friend it Israel. It's quite real you are in a federal courtroom. So because of that the judge said, all right? He the judge. She was actually still nicer than I think a lot of judges would. She said, okay, bud. We'll let you go. Again, you do it again. You're you're you're in lockup. But now, you can't do media. You can't do TV. You can't do radio. You can't do print. You can't do anything. Just shut up and was thinking about it. I'm like man that might be worse than prison. Yeah. That might be worse than prison for stone might be worse than jail. Those are some of our favorite places to to talk. It's only on TV, you know. You know, once you get so involved with the inception of television news, and that's all he's done. You know, he thinks of life is a stage, and he's the star of his own theatrical production, and when you start doing that you often forget that the walls and the bars are very real. And the Justice system is extremely real. And they don't really care about your reality show that you have plane in your head. They're just going to see you. It's a person who is now in front of them that is looking at serious serious time. So that's all we'll say about Roger stone when it comes to Robert Muller, just touched on this briefly. Because again, it's going to be Guiliani Rudy Giuliani. And who if we can't trust Rudy who can we trust? I love when he played for Notre Dame and got that second that football game. So Rudy Giuliani is like, yeah, we'll see this thing in about two weeks the mullahs report, and it is possible. And it does seem like the indications are that it will be wrapping up soon, and it is possible that don't show any collusion or anything like that. So when. It comes to Robert Muller. Both sides are already sort of. This will be another war shack test. What will obeys they're going to be some big smoking gun like Donald Trump, literally hung out with Putin to figure out how to win the election. It's not going to be that. We'll see what happens. Bob Barr has said that he's going to release as much as you possibly can ensure the Democrats will be demanding that they release as much stuff as possible, you know, obviously, not classified stuff. This is going to be there's going to be a lot of redacted things. But I would just say the mullahs report will comment on it. When it comes out. They said they wanna make it as simple as possible, they they don't want it to be super long, and they're like, we're just gonna give you the facts and do as you will with them. And of course, politically the spin is going to be totally insane on both sides. Yeah. So we'll say is it going to be the smoking gun that many is this going to be Chinese democracy. Is this convenient axl rose? Yes. The big long much interested. And then if a. That is a great reference. This could be the version of guns N roses latest album that took a decade. Yeah. I really hope. It's not well it's possible and already people are starting to sort of be like, well, even if the mullahs report clears Donald Trump, he's still got the southern district of New York. He's got some other. So the legal troubles will never end for Donald Trump. But he's been a legal trouble his entire life. And of course, we'll wait to see what Michael Cohen says under oath. So that's what's going on as far as the Muller investigation at wanna get to a huge new story here in a second that absolutely nobody has covered. But before we do that. Bernie Sanders has announced will be we'll see if he's able to hold on to that coalition that he was able to coalesce in two thousand sixteen again. I mean, these his I don't want to be just really don't because I think he's brain is all there. But my God, we got some old candidates come in through. And that's fine. You know, it's fine. We've got some young ones too. But we'll be we'll see. If you know, Elizabeth Warren or Cory Booker or to some degree Kamala. But I'm not her father came out because she referenced Kamala Harris fathers, I think he's a Harvard professor or scientist, and he came out and was like don't play politics with your heritage. Because apparently, she's like smoked weed in college because of my Jamaican roots. And he's like that's a little racist. We didn't really raise you that way. So of course, I think she's kind of pandering little too much, and it's hard because she hasn't had the same message over the years like someone like Elizabeth Warren who push comes to shove, no matter what whether you agree with the message or not she she gets to she may be dorky and embarrass, you know, but she, but she's consistent. So we'll see if if Bernie can sort of fend off the other more left-leaning people within the democratic primary and still hold onto that solid base. Of course, we may see something that we saw in two thousand sixteen with the Republicans where maybe burning just needs to get thirty percent and win every prime. Thirty five percent. I think the biggest margin or the most amount of votes that Donald Trump got with thirty five percent ever. I mean, that's and that's one of the risks. You have when you have so many candidates oftentimes, the your second choice will become the first regardless if you want that or not so a staff that's been bandied about on Twitter and stuff, but like within twelve hours Bernie's campaign received over three million dollars worth of. Yup. No. I mean, he's got the money coming in those are people are just like, those are twenty dollar donations. Yeah. No. I I think people are still feeling the burn. I was talking with Marcus about this recently. I'm a little fatigued Ernie because it's like I sort of want to see all new faces. But that's also kind of a problem fatigue, though. And you know, of course, Bernie and Bernie Donald Trump when it comes to their populism. There were some similarities on foreign policy getting getting rid of teepee. That was something that Bernie ran on. Obviously, they have a lot of different. Ideas when it comes will, actually if you listen to to Bernie Sanders rhetoric on immigration. I do not think you would go about it the same way that Donald Trump about to get into an immigration store here in a second. You would not go about it the same way. But he is not particularly liberal this whole idea on or this whole idea that they're open borders. They they want open borders, all that stuff is such nonsense. So who knows maybe Bernie Sanders can peel away some of that support, my friend. Well, no, I'm not going to call in many. So if you're not my enemy, you're my friend, his name is Harlan, and he's a care. He looks like we just watched happy death day to you, which is pretty good. Although the ending I'm not gonna ruin that. I would have made different choices than she made. But that's okay. He looks like baby. Like the big basin, maybe mask. But he's he's a nice guy. But he went from Bernie to Trump, and I'm like, how the hell do you do that? So I was talking to him in the green room, and he did hit on that sort of populace message, and there were a lot of people. I think that went from burning to Donald Trump they went they went with the change candidate students burning was gone done. Donald Trump was the only one left. So who knows maybe burning would be able to peel away some of that support that grassroots populism support different kind of populism populism nonetheless that Donald Trump was able to I think if it from greatly in two thousand and sixteen people wanna go back in time and make that change the course of history, and this is literally their opportunity in time. I believe that was a Conan O'Brien sketch going back in time, and that was thousand I don't know. Yes. That was a I remember that. And they used to do that nineteen ninety eight and I was like, oh my God. What if that's true? And then all we had was late night. Talk shows to watch people who loved comedy and nine eleven and the nine eleven Columbine it ruined everything. All right. So that's what is happening. They are just a real. I mean, you go watch go watch the TV news. If you want to hear more that TV news just circles and circles and circles itself, and I'm like, what is this and nauseam? Anyway. Here's a story that I wanted to get to I have not heard about this story came out February eighteenth of this year. I don't see how this story isn't bigger news. This is from USA today. The headline is emails show. How fake university set up by ice lured foreign students. This was in Detroit in the summer of two thousand seventeen a foreign student in Michigan received an Email from an official at the university of forming ten it was a pleasure speaking with you university official Ali. Malani wrote to the student from India. Thank you for your recent interest in the university of Farmington, a nationally accredited, business and stem, science technology engineering and mathematics institution here at the university of Farmington, we have created an innovative learning environment that combines traditional instruction with fulltime professional experiences. We offer flexible classes and focus on students who do not want to interrupt their careers. So this Email is sent out they're having some interaction. It turns out. This is a bait by ice to capture and theoretically imprison or deport undocumented people who are here without a visa at the bottom of this Email it described the university as quote in nationally accredited institution authorized to enroll international students, but a US department of homeland security, the emails and others like it were obtained. By the Detroit Free Press revealing how the university portrayed itself to potential foreign students the Email exchanges with Alli Malani who is described in his linked in profile as the president of the university of Farmington show at the school in Farmington hills. Michigan may have lured students to enroll in a fake university set up by the department of homeland security. This is shocking, and these are also when we talk about undocumented people when we talk about brain drain folks who come to this country and then have to go back. They come from India Europe, wherever might be when we talk about that we need these people in our country. So now, we have ice fishing for people who are looking to get an education looking to benefit our society looking to do things. A by the books so January thirtieth fed setup a fake university in Michigan to nab undocumented immigrants. This is a Cording again to the USA today article a federal indictment unsealed January thirtieth said that the university was produced by federal agents with an investigative division of US, immigration and customs enforcement. Of course that is commonly known as ice, which is part of the department of homeland security federal agents posed as university officials such as Ali Malani to trick students federal prosecutors allege that more than six hundred students enrolled at the university knew it was improper, but the emails attorneys tell a different story. So federal prosecutors or sitting there be like they enrolled in this fake university. They knew it was fake. I can't believe they committed that crime. And it's like you created the problem you created the trap. You created the fake university to prey on people who are looking. To get an education to make their lives better. So that they can do something great in this country. In addition to the emails federal undercover agents took other steps to manipulate the foreign students, according to public records and attorneys. This is again, the USA today article undercover investigators with department of homeland security registered the university of Farmington with the state of Michigan as university using a fake name at the request of DHS a national accreditation agency listed, the university of Farmington as being credited in order to help deceive perspective students, this is so systemic in crazy, the university was also placed by federal investigators on the website of ice as in university approved by them under a government program for foreign students known as sevice student and exchange visitor program. So if you're a student or if you're a undocumented person in Michigan, you get this Email, and you're like sweet you do your do diligence. You do your background check. And you're like I want to see if this is a real university. They. Set it up so deep they honestly faked being accredited, and they went so far as to say that this is what was improved was approved by ice under the student and exchange visitor program. This fakes this is totally crazy. This is a coding to Amir czar in aging professor of law at the university of Detroit mercy and a spokesman for one of the hundred and forty six students who were detained by. He says it seems quite clear the scheme was set up by the government not to go after legitimate offenders, but to create fear in our immigration system. He goes on to say, they're going after students who who are trying to better their lives because America has the best education. This is who they're choosing to go after it's really disturbing out of the six hundred plus students who were enrolled a hundred and forty six of them have been arrested and detained by ice on civil immigration charges. All are from India except. For Najah Kareem moussaka who's twenty nine of Dearborn heights. Michigan who is Palestinian. So we have a massive problem in this country again with the brain drain. The last thing we need is our government wasting millions of dollars sitting fake universities to trap people who are trying to get an education. I do not understand how this story hasn't been everywhere. MSNBC drops the ball the only show. That's what the only show that. You should listen to the Bill press show. Bill press. Bill press Bill press, I have sling, and I watch my Bill press programs. He always the best people on. I'm also a ninety five year old woman February third India urges US to release foreign students detained by in fake university sting. This is according to czar, he says it really shows a contempt for immigrants. She's not a danger to society, she's not trying to defraud to treat her and others as hardcore criminals is concerning. He goes on to say, they want to create fear, so non white people Brown people don't think of coming to. To America any more. These are reports in Indian American and Indian media outlets such as the American bizarre saying that some of the students were being held in poor condition and not getting vegetarian food in accordance with their religious and cultural beliefs this story to me is just when we think about is. Of course, we had the individual who is detained by ice briefly when they stopped the greyhound bus. This is what this looks like. So when the Democrats are like, you know, I again, I'm like redirect ice minimize it, get them focused on criminals because that's really MS thirteen everyone agrees. Why don't you going after this MS thirteen gang? That's the game that everyone's talking about. They can go after them. I don't think that these guys and gals who are trying to enroll in a university or like next step time for my beaten to the thirteen gang. Go after gang members. Then it is so ludicrous. They're trying to justify. By their own existence. Creating a crime. So that they can keep themselves busy. So then they say look at all we have to do if you don't do that the same thing with Flint town, oftentimes, they were creating the scenario, and I'm like, you just made what they were doing criminal what they were doing was not indeed criminal so on Thursday, four US representatives, including US rep Brenda Lawrence, and that's democrat out of Southfield released. A letter they sent to the day. Jess and expressing quote concerns surrounding the recent undercover operation conducted by US, immigration and customs enforcement homeland security investigations, the Indian government has also expressed concerns in a letter from from its ministry of external affairs. So you know, that story that should just send chills down everyone's spine when the government is just going about. I mean, of course with Donald Trump. It's sort of ironic that there's a fake university or I guess apropos or something. But the fact that the federal government would do that. You have to remember prising. It's not surprising. But unfortunately, it's not that surprising. But this actually did surprise me a little bit. Honestly, the extent that they went to get people to entrap people to try to find people who are undocumented it. It is just absolutely un-american and horrible and total violation of just human rights. We have got to figure out a path to citizenship. We have got to you know, his talking on H L N. That's headline news. They only do the headlines. They don't read any of the story. It was home life network. No, okay. Interesting though, it'd be a good network to and we always talk with some Republican guy about immigration. This is really where I just disagree with the Republican party. And he's talking about the right way to do it. You got to come in the right way in every time. You know, every time a door is open. They slam it shut. And every time a window is open. The nail it shut. There needs to be a path. This path is not does not exist. It's it's full of quicksand. It's nothing but potholes. There is nothing there. There is no path. It takes forever. And it's just totally clunky. I'm not even against a merit based approach. I really am. Not. That's more of a Trump administration thing other than that. It was the lottery, I think merit based approach is fine. And these people would have passed the merit, bro. The merit. I mean, they want in education indication all they want it. Anyway. All right. They got nothing but Trump nothing, but trouble good point Travis. Good point life insurance is one of those topics that everyone knows a little bit about. But do you understand it? Well enough to feel comfortable buying it policy. Genius. Is the easy way to get life insurance in minutes. You can compare quotes from top insurers to find the coverage. You need at a price. You can afford from there. 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Donald Trump to sign executive order launching artificial intelligence initiative. President Trump is expected to sign an executive order this past Monday the American or official intelligence initiative. A senior administration official told reporters the initiative outlines bold, decisive actions to ensure that AI continues to be fueled by American ingenuity reflects American values, and is applied for the benefit of the American people aimed at bolstering American leadership in a the the initiative features a multi pronged approach that is category into that is categorized into five pillars, research and development a infrastructure, a governance, workforce and international engagement when asked about. Benefit of AI to the American public, the official emphasized how artificial intelligence is something that touches every aspect of our lives pointed to medical care food production and energy resources. Of course, this is really the most recent this is this is the future fight. You know, this is the future Cold War is the battle for artificial intelligence. The Chinese are crushing it for worse. I would say for better or for worse. I'm going to say straight up for worse. They're living in a surveillance state in worse than we do here in New York City, and I just go around and I count the cameras. That's what I do. I'm looking old, man. I'm like there's a camera. There's a camel I'm like the dog up. But instead of squirrels, I'm looking at cameras. So this is the United States government coming in and saying we can't lose this war to China. They're starting to fund AI development much more which is going to be huge. And I'm sure they're working with the private sector to make that happen. If you ever want those Boston dynamics videos, they are horrifying. They're starting to open doors. They're starting. I mean as soon. And then of course, you got the uncanny valley of when they put the Fe it tends to be a very attractive woman. That's what they're going for like, everyone, everyone looks like Megan Kelly or something which I don't know why they chose that. I mean, I guess I do, but they're like, oh, this is a really sweet woman, and it's like, no peel back the skin. It's like they live, but it's going to happen in real life. Yeah. So that initiative is going on. Now, it's going forward as part of his state of the union address. Trump called for investments in the cutting edge industries of the future and the administration off official fishery underscore the importance of AI in driving these future industries. Okay. So there you go a little bit on that check that stuff out. We'll keep on following what the heck is going on with artificial intelligence. I am personally horrified. But that's just me. Maybe I mean, there's also a lot of good things. No, I wouldn't mind in a doctor. I guess if the robot like really figured it all out and was able to look at my guts and be able to like, I know how to so it up and. Thank you, Dr. And maybe I could change its voice to be like I want an Australian doctor and he'll be like hit Austrailia on his little like beep up machine. And it'd be like, and then he's then he's like crikey. Sterling, I got you pull out your intestine did ask them to act like an Australian just had an I asked him to speak like, I'm just joking. I can't wait to Australia very very soon. All right. So that's a little story also under the radar and another tale that I wanted to talk to you guys about is a disturbing new Bill. This came out. It was this past Tuesday. This is from Gizmodo Gizmodo dot com. Isn't that exciting Gizmodo sort of Gizmo? Of course, the very very cute little fluffer ball disturbing Bill. This is this is the headline disturbing Bill would force Arezzo neans arizonian them to pay two hundred and fifty dollars to have their DNA added to a database. So this is this is demonic in case low salary this. According to the article here in case, low salaries and thankless work weren't enough to keep you from seeking public service job in Arizona. A new Bill. Seeks to force applicants to hand over a sample of their DNA and not just that unbelievable constitutional violation. They are also forcing the applicant to pay two hundred and fifty dollars in a processing fee. This is crazy. The proposed legislation would apply to anyone in Arizona who is required to be fingerprinted for a job Bill fourteen. Seventy five was introduced by Republican state Senator David Livingston, according to the Arizona Republic. It has sparked a modest outcry from local individuals and organizations if passed the Bill would require teachers, please officers child day care workers and many others to submit their DNA samples along with thinner prints to be stored in a database maintained by the department of public safety will the database would be prohibited from storing. Criminal or medical records along with the DNA samples. It would require the samples be accompanied by the person's name social security number data birth and last known address if you want a job now, they want your DNA in Arizona, at least if this Bill passes that should send a chilling effect on everyone spine. I mean, that's crazy this why are we punishing people who are looking for gainful employment? I mean, why are we constantly deterring people from getting into care work and education? It makes no sense. I would never I mean when I got arrested here because I hope that fell through a turnstile about nine years ago. I didn't realize that a twenty five dollar open warrant regular old Roger stone over here. So I had twenty five hours or so in the tombs in New York City fascinating experience, but I got the retinas skin. It's not what I'm sitting there getting my retinas game. It's not exactly like I can be like all fourth amendment, please. This is an illegal search and seizure of my eyeballs. Because then they would just be like, okay. Well, then we can just take weaken have this month and a half. How does that sound you just hang out and Rikers? No, you wanna get the process done. So search and seizure for those that this is the fourth amendment. It's a procedure used in many civil on common law legal systems by which police or other thirties and their agents who are suspected that crime has been committed commence a search of a person's property and confiscate any relevant evidence found in connection to a crime. Now, if you're telling me that this isn't as search of my property, my DNA inside of this big old body. That's my prop a lot of DNA. That's a lot of DNA. And that's a lot of my property. So I can I didn't even there's no crime the crime is I wanna be a teacher in Arizona. And this prick this this guy. He should be blasted this not not literally with a gun or something. But social media needs to blast. This dude blasted with DNA last with DNA DNA gun taste of his own Mattis apps. David Livingston, this total. In other schmuck? Bill, fourteen seventy five David Livingston people want to apply for jobs, and now they have to give up their DNA and not just have their civil liberties rip from them. They also have to pay for it. Just to say FU, the official screw you from the state of era. Zona Gizmodo reached out to Livingston's office to ask why you propose this legislation and if any private companies interesting stand to profit from him they did not receive immediate response. Believe it or not the people that want to strip us of all of our civil liberties there a little quiet. There are little hush the Zona Republic speculates that the Bill could be related to a recent case in Phoenix where police were able to use DNA to link a nurse to the rape of an incapacitated woman at a local healthcare facility, though DNA tests can be used for good. They've also been known to falsely im- implicate innocent people in crimes they didn't commit. There are many. Other reasons you might want to think twice about somebody into a DNA test. Arizona's Bill would allow the sharing of DNA between government agencies in a handful of instances and access to the database could be supplied to anyone conducting quote, a legitimate research study, everyone is doing that. So this is just going to go to the highest bidder. Literally, your DNA is going to go to the highest bidder. Apple Amazon, whoever the hell, am I be one of these huge international corporations, and it's going to be used for God knows what maybe they're going to try to clone. I mean, it sounds crazy. But literally they could experiment with your DNA to work on cloning technology right now, China's cloning their clothing, so it is this is just also that that rape case with the nurse. There was a crime committed. Yeah, it's totally absolutely different than applying for a job and having also if you don't get the job you apply for it. And now you've just wasted two hundred fifty dollars. I mean, it is. So ludicrous. But this is just another instance of this trend of invading people's privacy for the sake of of security overall like in two thousand seventeen in river, falls, Wisconsin. There was a tech company, and they are still doing this. This is implanted microchips in the all the employees hands and didn't say it's explicitly required. But they created a culture of conformity in. Yes and made it so that everyone has microchip parties afterward. Yes. That was a great story. Let me actually let me do the Google machine here. Let me do with -sconsin microchip microchip hand. I think it should work Wisconsin, Wisconsin workers embedded with microchips. This is in river falls Travis said, and we've covered this story before this is a loc- a local firm here. They made good on their promise to get shipped. And they would. And once you got shipped the employs would wear shirts that say I got shipped some forty workers at the at the three square market affirm that makes cafeteria kiosks aimed at replacing vending machines got tiny rice sized microchips in bedded in their hands. And literally if you go back, and you read that story it's so that they can get snacks quicker. It's because no. So you have all of your data on this little chip. It's your wallet. It's your access to certain rooms that you might that you might need a card for usually a key car. But now you just put your hand up to it or the back of your hands really uncommon apple it's Apple Pay become flesh. It's the new flesh. Yes. And and that. Be a tracking device. So they're going to they can. I mean, I don't understand how anyone did it. But as Travis mentioned, it wasn't forced it was highly suggested by management and company culture was like it's pretty coup. If you think about like, how you're always on the radar, and I'm not even trying to make like some grandiose statement of like, I'm off the grid. I'm so frigging on the grid. It's ridiculous. But I am not everyone, and I know for a factor of introverts who would say, I don't particularly care to get microchip. But I also really need this job in river falls, Wisconsin, where it's not that many jobs around. Well, I guess I better sacrifice more civil liberties. So I can make seven fifty in our trying to make kiosks really ridiculous. So anyway, those are just a couple of the stories that I thought people should be talking about this week. Don't you think they're interesting Travis? Yeah. Absolutely. All right. Just lastly, let's see I guess I'll cover this. I was on FOX nation today. I did this tyrus his show and and Brit tyrus end Brit. And he's actually a pretty nice guy. He's a little bit. He's he's more like me in some ways. He, but we disagreed on this one subject, and I know it's a hot button issue. So let's just talk about it a little bit here. LGBTQ they this group they kicked out tennis legend Martina Navratilova for opposing transgender men competing with women. So this happened in London. It was February twenty first of this year, she fell out because of this quote with this organization. This is what she said, this is the article that she wrote, and again Navratilova she was and still is a gay icon when she came out as a lesbian. It was a big deal, and I have nothing but a respect for her. This kind of reminds me of like, you know, if you don't die young you'll live long enough to become the villain. Does just kind of how. Life works. This is her article, it's titled the rules on trans athletes reward cheats and punish the innocent. Okay. So this is what she says she says letting men compete as women simply if they changed their name and take hormones as unfair no matter how those athletes may throw their weight around this came in response to the condemnations from transgender activists. She goes on to write you can't just proclaim yourself a female and be able to compete against women. There must be some standards and having a penis and competing as a woman would not fit that standard. So my thoughts tires were like she's one hundred percent, right? And I understand, you know, some of this viewpoint. But my my point is if you're taking the hormones, and I don't think that really people unless aft after puberty you gotta be really careful with that kind of stuff. You don't be messing with your body. Pre puberty. You're taking the hormones, your hormone levels are the same as the gender you identify as I don't see. Anything wrong with it. And I understand, you know, she's this is a new world. This is times have changed and for her. Maybe she's like what the hell, but I just say get out there and compete try to win. It doesn't matter if someone's transgender or not just do your best to compete, and you know, the best person will win no matter. What why he says? Oh, I mean, you know, challenge take the challenge get it done. I mean, I quitted on the show to Oscar Pistorius. Of course, he's that dude. I believe it. What is it South Africa? Yeah, he shot his girlfriend because she thought she thought that she was an intruder. And like every intruder they go to the bathroom before they rob and murder you. I mean, granted the nerves the nurse. Yeah. Yucky. Tommy when you when you're breaking into. Yeah. I mean, naturally, I get. But of course, I mean, you know, it is a very dangerous area. But that was a horrible defense. And I think he's continually in legal trouble because of but. When you look at him running in the Olympics. This has got to cyborg legs yet, they are better than human lex. You can't break them. There's no Zion happening who there's no shoe breaking. That's a whole nother story, by the way, I on Nike really messed up on that. But there, you know, everyone's like, oh what a what a hero. What a brave like he's half robot. You know, the guy is like the Terminator the evil Terminator like liquid metal from Terminator two. And everyone's like, this is amazing. This is a development. So quite frankly, the future is just going to be more gender fluid and people with biotic arms. I are going to start. You know, I think Paul is battle bots. That's the future sport. I love battle bots. We've been. We need to battle Botts. Yes. So that really is just where the culture is going, and I understand some of the hesitation. But we also have to remember there are so few the number of transgender athletes. It's so few and this is also on the heels of Donald Trump's horrified. Horrible transgender ban in the military. Just this idea that you know, so so if you're transgender what am I supposed to do? Donald Trump says the administration says I'm too weak to go to war because I used to be a woman now a man or vice versa and people like Marie Nava to Lova say, I'm too strong. Yeah. It's one of my supposed to do. Yeah. So we just need to chill out. Let people let people live. That's what I say. Go out there compete, you know, and the way that the science works, my understanding, and you shoot me an Email at the last podcast network, g dot com wanna hear from our transgender people. And you know, I, you know, if you have if you have an opposing argument feel free to Email me as well. I just believe strongly in this. Because obviously, we have a lot of transgender listeners have some transgender friends than everything. So I just sort of see myself in stories like this, and I just feel like we need to make sure that going forward that we don't have. Have a society that is just actively going rooting against somebody for attempting to compete in athletic event. And what she what she is proposing a sort of like worst case scenario where she's like they can just go back to being a man they're going to rest they're gonna play tennis. They're going to beat all the women. And then they're going to go back to be a man, but I also feel like member that Billie Jean documentary where she beat that no grass, and he was a little bit older than she was. But I also feel like that's doing a disservice to women if you take you take anyone against Serena or Venus, and I'm like, they'll just beat every I'm not worried about like, I don't think that they're concerned about going against transgender athlete. So, you know, but anyway, no reason to crucify this woman or anything, but I just disagree with her on that point. And of course, then there was some controversy because she got kicked out of this grouper is no longer in embassador. But it's kind of like you were the ambassador for an algae BT group in the new so you can't really go against one fourth or one fifth if he had the q. Yes, I understand this shape. Shifting villain of a tennis player. That's coming into dominate a woman. And then go back to be honest. I don't know. That's, but you know, it's just different times. And I understand you. And I mean as soon as robots start competing with people, I will be anti robot. And then I'll be seen as a ro- robots. I don't know what kind of bigotry term will be applied to people who don't like robots robot. Big. I am a robot. Big. I actually am. I maybe I'll change my view. Maybe I'll have a maybe I'll have a change of heart or anyway, I just wanted to give that comment because I know specifically on the right? They're going to be like look at this craziness and chill chill out. My my message to the world chill out. Unless of course, you're getting your rights rights stripped away from ice when they said a fake universities. And of course, when you have to give your DNA without your without your desire, and you have to pay for it yourself and the war against a continues. Although, you know, there's some positive things with that. I'm I'm not. Hey, I can be used for good everything can be used for good. But back cowboy times, we all we all love red dead, redemption. Love it. I'm playing because Marcus recommended far cry four that's what I'm just bought far cry five last night. Apparently, it's great game. I'm lovin. All right, everyone. Well, thank you so much for listening. I appreciate you very very much. Yeah. You can find me on Instagram. 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REShow: Christian Yelich. Hour 3 (05-30-19)

The Rich Eisen Show

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REShow: Christian Yelich. Hour 3 (05-30-19)

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He's been red hot for quite some time now that includes last year it was the MVP of the National League. And I've been wanting to have them on the show for quite some time. So I'm glad that we can find some time prior to his team taking on the pirates. Tonight Christian yelich here on the program. How are you Christian? I'm doing great. How are you? I'm doing great. All right. I'm going to get right into it here with you Christian, what beer were you slugging next to Bahktiar last week at the bucks game. What was that? What forgot what do I think it was? Honestly, it was a Miller lite. They brought it to me. So I wanna say it was I wanna say it was a no. But I was I was nervous to do it. So I don't really remember exactly what beer it was. I was more focused on making sure I got it all the way down and not a and not messing up for all those people. That's what how often do you slam a beer like that Christian? It's, it's definitely been a minute. I'll even remember the last time of chugged a beer like that. So they balked, obviously, he put down about four or five on the news. And then Aaron Aaron did his in the first half. And then I saw him while at halftime. And they're telling me that I had to do one, and I didn't really want to, because I hadn't played in a few days, I was like, oh, this might be as might be a bad look. And then they put the they put me on the screen with a beer and that happens or not, there's no tournament. There's no turning at that point. Now when you said first-half for Aaron you talking about the actual beer or talking about the game. What are you talking about? I guess I guess both. What's your relationship with Aaron Rodgers Christian out in the gnome just a little bit over the last couple of just really during the bucks playoff run through there? I met him once at a long time ago. He tried on you remember it, but this got the talk and a little bit at the at the buck game, they, they lined up with a few off days. So we're able to just go there hang out and you know cross paths a little bit. Okay. Do people assume because you are bawling out for the brewers right now that you're a Packers fan? I mean, a is that an assumption that's being made of you in Milwaukee. The thing with Milwaukee, and like just sports in Wisconsin in general like the fan, you can't help but pull for the other teams just because that's just like the culture up. There's, there's so supportive of all the sports teams wants to just immersed. In that you read that you really like the bucks started making their playoff run everyone with bucks, man that you just you can't help but be a fan of the other teams. And all the all the guys from the other sports come out and support each other. They did that during our playoff run. So it's really cool to be a part of that said you're from found oaks, which is now home to the Los Angeles Rams practice facility, and they're in, they're a headquarters are, are you a fan of any particular NFL team? I don't wanna get you any problems in, in Packers country. But which team or or have I think, yeah, I like I like player, I got the no Gotha to California strong thing. I've always liked Brady. I, I kinda just think it's amazing how you can be that good for that long like the dedication and preparation that takes. To play at that level for so long. And then obviously, you know, the Packer fan and the Browns I mean, you know, you always root for your friends, and people that you get to know throughout near life. So it's hard for me to say I've won like die hard team because when I was growing up in LA, we didn't really have a team. So I I wasn't born and raised on one football team. So I guess you just root for your friends to do well, when you talking about California strong you're talking about what happened in Thousand Oaks last year with the fires in a the shooting that took place there, as well right Christian. Is that what you're referring to with golf? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, and yeah. Jaren was kind enough to take some time. His busy schedule with right in the middle of their season to kind of just help us out as much as he could. And it was great to see the support that everybody gave us and we're able to help a lot of people out, and they desperately needed it when was the first time you realized you, you're pretty damn good at baseball. I don't know. There's there's like different levels for me where I was like, all right? I might have a chance to play in college probably my like sophomore year of high school, and then my junior senior year like all right? I might be able to get drafted. We'll see in later in my senior year. Like, all right. I'm probably drafted. And then it wasn't really until my first year in big league camp, which is two thousand thirteen same year. I made my debut. Wow. I'm actually probably gonna end up playing in the big leagues. And then it takes a while for you to get a justed two major league baseball and for me, you know, there's always been a process and obviously last year is pretty awesome. It's just things that, you know, it's, it's such a humbling sport that you can't really ever think you made it or can be content with where you're at. I it's it is a great way to put it humbling sport. I mean even those that are in Cooperstown on average would get out seven out of every ten times. Right. I mean and I'm just wondering if you've been able to realize how it all clicked last year. What, what brought you to clicking last year and clicking as well as you have so far this year Christian. What was that the after the all star game you have the whole all star break? And then there's a there's like a day off periods like day before the second half starts in. I got back home and started watching some stuff about like I wasn't feeling great going into all-star break, just like at the plate and all that stuff. So I was like, I kind of look at some things try and get something get a plan for the next day, only going in the second half something I want to work on in the cage before batting practice, and all that, and look and the side of the comeback into the cage that next day standing like a little bit toss. Read out this, first half of last year. Still good happy, and they'd all star team. But thought there was room for improvement and I decided to Santa a little bit taller and kill a little bit more swear up and is something that I was able to. Repeat and put my body in and good position as many times as possible. And that's kind of just how it all started how it start rolling. Christian yelich defending National League most valuable player from the Milwaukee Brewers here on the rich Eisen show and obviously everything's working out for you in Milwaukee. You enjoy the the scene there. And people are enjoying you. And obviously we're enjoying a beer at a bucks game. And it cetera. Do you ever think about what might have been in Miami had the team not been broken up, including your being traded away Christian? Every now and then I still talk to some of the guys about it. And it's something that we don't really want to just keep like looking back in time, live like just going back in the yearbook, but there's definitely a lot of talent that went through there sprinkled throughout the league definitely see it some of the best players in baseball right now were on that team or an organization before they were traded off and went their separate ways. But it's just how it works. I mean, I think we definitely had the pieces. They're just didn't really all come together for us for whatever reason, and when that happens in sports teams tend to move on and the new ownership regime came in and you know, thought that was best. But my views everything happens for a reason they worked out, great for myself. It put me in an unbelievable situation. Milwaukee, I really enjoyed that. You never guaranteed to go to a great spot when he traded. You don't know how it's gonna work out. You don't know what the, the city is going to be like the teams. The guys on the team. And I got I really fortunate that it worked better. So do you so much made Christian about the popularity of the sport nationally, these days and keeping it top of mind throughout the year, national pastime, etc? So on and so forth and look at young stars like yourself, do you have a philosophy on making baseball fun or or getting out there? Appreciate a phone call to a show like this for sure obviously being the one that I'm on. Do you have a philosophy or a certain sense of responsibility in that regard? Do you think Christian? To make it fun or just like get out there to get out there and, and, and make it fun at the same time. Yes. Yeah. I mean I think you always want to give back to the game. They gave us you so much. And you, you never understand you don't realize you're impacting or what impact, you can have on somebody's life. I mean you don't know I think it comes with responsibility in the position that you're into to better the game and leave it in a better place than what you founded in, and it's starting to change as far as just guys having more fun or being more expressive or being more relatable. It's a gradual change. All it's not something that's all going to happen at one time. Or everyone is just gonna flip a switch in the game's going to be different than it's been for a long time. But I think you can gradually see I think the players want it major league baseball wanted, and it's headed in a direction. Well, I guess the asking the major league leader in home runs right now would be. Perfect person asked what what's your philosophy on backflips like it, don't like it shouldn't happen? Not a big deal. What your thoughts? I think there's a I think there's a fine line. It's like situational awareness. I don't really have a problem with it, most of them, but, you know, it's, it's hard to explain. I mean, I'm all for the having fun, but bad, I don't care most of the time. But there's obviously those outliers times were definitely, you know, steps across the line. I think you could say sometimes but, you know my, my philosophy is always just been win the game. And if you do something that helps your team win the game or it's an exciting moment, or the why not have fun, not social emotion. You know, the guys aren't all robots out there. They're not just, you know, living the straight and narrow with no emotion on their face. Or you know, playing a game in the big spot, if you do something cool in front of fifty thousand people, and you want to celebrate, I mean, by all means go ahead. And what's your philosophy Christian yelich on the shift? What do you like don't like not a big deal? What do you think? I, I hate all towards. Yeah. You hate it. You said I do mandated. I wanna see you. I want. I don't wanna see you bunt be just because the third base line is open for you on, I'm not I'm not wanna watch Christian yelich and, you know, fashion a swing different than just. The normal just to try and get a seeing eye base hit. That's not what I'm I wanna see. Do they try and do it to eliminate slug? So whether like, if you Bunning at the ships, and you get a hit in their mind. That's a win for them where you didn't. There's no slug in that it's just like, basically a Walker a single that deal with that. And they want you to try and change the swing. So you don't hit for power. That's basically that's mostly the premise of the ship, takeaway hits out when but subtle nuance that gets overlooked. I think by the council pan is team to do it to prevent slug and it's just all part of the game. It goes towards winning kinda see that with the analytics revolution. And we're definitely one of those teams that as you know. Deep into that. And we try to use it, and I guess, you've kind of see that in our playoff run, by the way, we use our pitching staff in the way we try to piece things together to give ourselves into vantage, and the dog your last year. So, yeah, all that stuff just trying to win and get an edge and people, definitely have strong opinions about it last one for you, Christian yelich before we send you off into that Pittsburgh afternoon. I'm sure you saw what happened in Houston last night, were young girl got hit with a line drive and Albert Al Mora of the cubs was just mortified. And it was an awful moment. I'm wondering what your thought is on netting? And putting the as far towards the foul pole as necessary. What are your thoughts? Yeah. I mean it's terrible. Whenever that happens. Unfortunately, you do see that stuff a lot over the course of the year. And at least we've got some knitting. Now I mean it used to be just where it was from like the on debt. Ondeck circled on deck circle, and even above the dugouts and stuff where exposed and that's just really really dangerous 'cause I just don't think people realize how hard the ball's coming off the bat. How quickly it gets on you and yeah, obviously safeties person foremost, and you never wanna see anything like what happened last night. And you know, I think they should extend the netting as far as they need to, to, to make it safe and allow people to you know come to a game and joy without having to worry about something potentially having happened in themselves to their children. You know, one day you're going to a game and then you know, later that day you're going to the hostile because something tragic happens. It's not good for. Anybody if I get for the game if I could family. So obviously safety is first and foremost to players have care. I mean, is it is it an issue about wanting to communicate with fans through a net a I'm honestly, I'm searching for anything here? That, that might. Don't players don't have any. I think the majority of players would probably wanna see as much as possible and for fans to be a safe as possible. You know, I think some of the pushback is those are the best seats, people wanna have view. But, you know, I, I don't think the netting next too big of a difference as far as being able to watch the game. But I think players are all in favor of that. Nobody wants to hit a foul on the stand and see hit somebody or Inder somebody. That's just terrible. Terrible to see it's terrible. If you're the one that hit the ball like Albert was last night. And I think almost every major league player would be in favor of as much as possible. Well, Christian, thanks for the call. Man. I really love the way you play the game on the fan. And, and I, I got a text during this conversation from Alex bregman saying tell him L animal, and the Kabaya say Hello. Yeah. Tim, Tim, or isn't they gotta look group? Text going. Okay. Yeah. Bregman everytime bregman hits a Homer. He lets me know that, that he's coming for me. He refers to himself as come bio and L mall, is Jake Moore is nicks. Okay. I don't know how they gave themselves up nicknames. Oh, never really asked. But I guess you all have to have him on. And having the, you know, going in depth on his nickname choice. Yeah. I it's just I don't know. Are you allowed to call yourself the cabal or L annum? Oh, that doesn't sound like you really should be something like that. I don't know. Man, I don't know what they got going over there and Houston. We played them actually in a couple of weeks I'll have to office e. What's up with that? But they're good friends. It's a it's fun banter during the season. Where okay if someone if somebody goes deep, they're, they're talking trash and a group tax. So okay, who do you modify who else is on this group? Text Christian just just myself Meriva mic and bregman. Okay. Well, the bio hit a couple just a couple of nights ago. So I guess he's let me know. He's at object. Closer in your rear view mirror. Let's put it that way, Christian. Thanks again for the call. Hopefully, we'll do this again real soon. Absolutely. Thanks for having. You gotta. It's Christian yelich. The defending National League most valuable player as great currently for more home runs than the cabal bregman got seventeen. Bregman too. Fun. Right. There's a lot of great young players in major league baseball right now. He's got a really fun time agree. I wish it was a bigger sport national, they're on straight to, you know. Yeah. Now bregman was here. He was shooting a commercial with yellowish locally here. Remember he was talking about that. That was sort of an initiative. Yes to get right? Lawyers out there. They having his own YouTube channel and rise like that. Yeah. Let the kids play heart. Part of that. Let's have fun campaign though. Not down with all the bad flips. It sounded like Krishna I guess it is just a situational situation. For the lack of a better phrase, like a walk off single provident a good time for one and the brewers. I know. Right. The brewers are to back in the loss of the cubs who beat the Cabrillo and. 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Rambo fast and furious Star Wars Terminator what do you guys think is leading right now? I say, fast and furious fast and furious, oats, the furiously in the way forty six Star Wars, though, Star Wars, second twenty. Yeah. People little getting Terminator nineteen percent only thirteen percent or over Rambo. Here's my favorite response to which movie franchise, you over Christopher. Somebody named Christopher Ryan said, I'm just over rich and his Twitter. Sure enough. Sure enough. Those two words follows you still falling right? Oh bless him. You always right back. Thanks for the phone know what yet. I. That wouldn't even be the sill the Stallone movie, I'd wanna see a sequel to. Tango and cash, we were talking hang on cash, but he's the king of sequels. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Which is now in, in creeds, there's been a Seattle to his, his branching off of the there were six rocky movies to creeds. Right. Three expendable ze. Yeah, no four four hundred grand. Oh my God. Now how many Rambos have there been oh, this first blog is worth? Rambo on. Yeah. Never. Ever made a sequel to stop or my mom will shoot. I mean with is still Getty. Right. Never did that. Okay. What else here's the most underrated, sly Stallone movie the race car movie. No survey was a good movie victory. Oh, have you ever seen it? I know the story of victory is, is basically the greatest scape. As through soccer. Right. Max von Sydow played played a. A Third Reich commandant who wanted to use soccer to prove the Nazis were graded everything and had a soccer match set up between his Nazis, and an international team that Michael Cain would head up POW's and Palay was in it throw. Yep. And sly Stallone played the American who is trying to use the match to. Crazy. Great escape gags. He couldn't play soccer. They put him in net. And he was great. He was goal directed it. I looked this up this morning. John huston. One of the great directors of all time. Also played the evil. No across in Chinatown. John Huston directed this? It's an underrated sly Stallone an underrated sports movie to under aid. What else? And maybe technically the only sports movie sly ever made over the top though. No arm wrestling. That's not switchboard sport. It's a competition and Rockies, we all know not a sports moving. A love story, a love story, and Carl weathers himself himself. Yes. Confirm. I was there. I'm saying the other Rockies, though, were boxing movies. And he ended the Cold War. That's a Cold War. Cold, Cold War, right, boxing? Is it cold once a four? You don't want a demolition man sequel. Don't want it haven't asked for it wouldn't need it. Nobody asks for seven Rambos. That's not, by the way, did eat you another. He did it spy kids sequel sequel. Yes, the king of sequel never made a run stone sequel. Iran's don't sequel. Stop. Or my mom will shoot nineteen ninety two. What in the world was he thinking? I. Paid for that. Least tell me there's an oral history of stop on my mom will shoot somebody sitting there thinking, you know what golden girls is a real big and sly sly needs vehicle to soften them up. He needs a comedy again. Let's put a steady and still vest or Stallone together. I'm going to watch the trailer. I mean, don't even don't even spend your time. Don't do it. You can't see it. Cannot see it. You got a news update. Instead, I do that brought to you by our friends at. Live report. Rock men with the news. The Honda Memorial Day sales event right now you could still enjoy monumental offers on the accord pilot and civic sedan. Hurry in and cast your vote for great deals today. Christopher had a terrible don't even do it. Stop. Stop. Or my mom will shoot. All right. A couple NFL things, okay. This is jumping out cardinals. O T, as you compare you could compare him to that. It's very unique for sure. That's wide receiver Christian Kirk. Oh boy. Talking to the Zona Republic, I've talked about Bush Fisher. Obviously everyone knows what he can do with his legs. But what he's able to do with his arm and just the way it comes off his hand. It's never a duck. It's always a spiral added David Johnson. I think you could say that. Yeah, that's a good comparisons. The comparison Cuyler Murray to Patrick Mahomes. I mean, they're both cliff Kingsbury products technically, even though Mauri has yet to play down for Kingsbury and Kingsbury didn't win any big twelve championships. With Mahomes, David Johnson, Senate raise. Yes started, but I think it's a good comparison. Starting. The patch will Kyla Murray. We gotta Kyle Mary nickname. Come on. Come on itself. It's still played so played. It's old to like kids. Don't oh mighty, my he wouldn't even know what mighty mouse says over under thirty touchdowns for column or on dir- under like total touchdowns. Total touchdowns passing talk, please. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. Really? You don't think so. No, I don't under the under take it. Thirty touchdowns. That's a lot of touchdowns. Christopher. All right. Hold on. I'll see how it's taught how much thirty touchdowns. I mean how many rookie quarterback's at thirty? Touchdown nine quarterbacks had thirty touchdowns last year. You know who did not Tom Brady doesn't need it? Most. Need it for please? What does he need touchdowns for other guys running it in thrown? Please. All right. How about this? Baker Mayfield had twenty-seven. Does. He gets twenty seven. Touchdown. No. He does not. No, he does not this is going to be a process man, really. It wasn't for Patrick Mahomes, he had fifty last year. He didn't even start his rookie year. Sir. Last year the chiefs last year and the chiefs were playoff team his rookie year. Let's choose to playoff teams. No, it wasn't. No, no, no, no. When you sit in and watch and learn next to Alex Smith that as a metric that can't just be overlooked. He played a bogus game against Denver. He got his feet wet in a very difficult spot to play regardless of the circumstances of the game. He got his feet wet on the road in division. Cuyler Murray is coming off of the field in Oakland one Heisman Trophy team that was first overall in the draft because they earned it. Mahomes has David Johnson ever seen Patrick Mahomes play. I've never heard David Jonathan Chretien Kirk was going to say like Johnny Manziel because he's, he's in Kirk from Texas. Am like yeah. So for okay, it's already started ma'am excited, Florida. You know I can't wait to watch column every play football. That's part of the reason why the drafted him we were talking about Lamar Jackson last week said he was surprised to learn that the ravens are putting in a new offense. Ravens owner Steve bisciotti weighed in yesterday, the ESPN on a conference. Call with season ticket holders. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised that will mar is not going to be running the ball twenty times a game. That's not what this offense is all about. Going gonna figure it out. Of smart coach and they're gonna figure this thing out, and I can't wait to watch him versus Baker Mayfield and him versus Ben Rothlisberger. And yes him versus Andy Dalton twice a year. For however long. Yes, for however, long adult. Yeah. Can hold people off? I'm that whole stories. Non-story. They're going to totally figure out what to do with him, just like they did on the fly last year. I'm by the way, congrats to Brian Billick. Did you see? He was named. Honor in Baltimore, which is good. I'm excited. Yes. Indeed, right. Gruden has weighed in on hard knocks. Jay Gruden has waded. Oh, good tease Christie had me at Hello there. And he wants his brother. The Redskins are one of the eligible teams along with the giants and of course, the raiders, and a couple of others. He said, if they're smart, they'll go to Oakland. Course what entertainment value? That would be Tonio Brown. Jon gruden. Paul Guenther vont is perfect in Coug Neto. You'd be crazy. Not to go to Oakland mayo and do us next year. Jay said, well, if they make the play if they make the playoffs so they'll be immune eligible, right? The Redskins have never been on hard. We'd be interested if it was the Redskins NFL films can make anything interesting man. But it helps to have the personalities. What are we waiting for? Normally it's announced, I don't know. I don't know. Great question. I'll poke around I will. Good Oakland poke around for you. You got anything else got much NBA sound. So a lot of these guys are talking now with the finals kicking off tonight. Let's hear from Draymond green. I not you might be talking about what makes him so great. As a competitor. If you're trying to do something meaningful, if you don't have the my said that you're the best ever you'll failed already. So if you don't have the mindset that you are the best reporter ever. Then you already felt. And that's been my mindset since I can remember that will be my mindset as long as I can remember anything that I am the best ever at what I do. And every day that I stepped on a basketball floor. I will strive to be that. Now, I would comment on this, but I'm not the one here on the rich Eisen show said that has a firm grasp on what makes greatness, great Mike. What do you think? I agree with him. A hundred percent. I love that you were not in your head the entire time love that you think you're the best at what you there's. No, maybe if you don't think you're the best. You're not right. That's why they win. But in terms of every soundboard every sound individual in the sports, entertainment, I do. There's nobody better than I do not, not games. Not pre games. What about Jeff Walker? What about games? Okay. You know you know what he does. He just came. Say that I think Draymond MVP. I love that, by the way on a moxie, you know, who said that stuff to me all the time about sportscasting and everything else. Stuart Scott would say the same thing. Remember when, when Stewart tried out for the jets, it's right and for peace for sportscenter he legitimately thought he was going to make the jets like for real like when he was going off to Long Island to do the peace. When the jets were still in Hof stroke, he he looked at me and legitimately because we, we all, you know, he, he had trouble with seeing out a one I we were genuinely concerned for him. And he's like just watch. I'm going to make the team he didn't. But he truly believed that he would. And he started talking about how Iverson always believes he's the best and how many people told him he wasn't. And I'd be like, yeah, but, you know. That's a I and he got pissed at me when I would say stuff like that. Why it works? It works. You're like Hadrian Mons gonna win the MVP. I think you might think you might hear from Klay Thompson talking about Drake and what he's been seeing out of him this playoffs. Been a Drake fan since you know, I was in high school. He's a great artist too. I like him as Radha fan. No. But I like him as a musician. His extremely talented but I will definitely skip this song if I don't like it. And if it's one of his soft, you know, Rb songs from skip it because I'm in. I'm in kill mode right now. You know trying to get these four games. So I'll skip hotline fleeing anything along that line. All that. Do you think Klay listens to kids? I wouldn't be surprised if anything wait till Saturday night. I take my daughter to the Hollywood bowl lie performance of kids, Bob spelled with z for those scoring at home. And when hotline blink is no doubt played. I'm calling you Chris Brockman on your cell phone. My phone would be right next to me waiting. I'll hold it up. I'll hold it up. I'll wave it, we talk about this all day today. What Leonard is going to do after the season. Definitely he said, though his perception of Toronto has changed. I mean, now you get to see how it is every day. They're crowd. Does come out, you get to live in a city? See, you know, guys girls weren't heads jersey. So you know how much support is really around the city, you know, now in a playoffs you get to see everybody else. Saw arena and seeing how you know excited they are for the game. And I'm gonna support is is there too. So I mean I it's been exciting year. Does what pretty much changed for me? Just being able to see see visually. It's good Ferryman. Jacob in California. Let sneak his call in here on the rich Eisen show. What's up Jacob? Hey, thanks for taking my call. Rich. Thanks for making. I just got two things. I wanna make a comment about the baseball nets man. I don't think if they put up the nets anybody would really have a problem with, that there might be some small pushback at first, but everybody would get used to it, and that's because it's something called sensory adaption. That's an actual thing. That's just similar to how you can only see your nose, but your is learn to it after a while. So just in the same way you see that knit. You learn to ignore it, man. For so long. Second thing I want to say is about quiet, Leonard and dream on. Oh, they should put quite Leonard of name. I think that. I just don't see that happening. Let's quiet Leonard just gonna run the whole time. If you watch the last series against Portland. Defense for the usual cuts down. And how just run to new side, get an easy layup or dunk. Or if there is some people, they're just issued out the perimeter for easy three from Stanford clay or whoever. So I just don't see have much of an impact on Jacob, thanks the call. I think Hawaii is the most impactful player potentially on the court tonight. How does that sound? I'll take the opposite point of view. And I think I'd put him on dream on green and see how it goes. In a few runs around too much than the oaken adjust. But that's the gotta stop. Can't wait for tonight. I'll be lot of fun. Wait. Wait now Juwan Howard has spoken. Correct has been introduced and I wish everybody keeps telling me wait to your he's good. He's got to say he's on tomorrow show. So as Jalen rose, let's take a break, and we'll hit that more phone calls setup fraud Friday show and tonight that's next on the rich Eisen show. I am sports broadcaster Ameri Anderson. I'm Olympia and Holly mcpeak. We're both former athletes business women and mothers, and we want to help you create a life, you want using sports like a boss. 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Felt like I was down my teammates, because I didn't do what I came hit or two. And that was a bring a championship to this university. Of university dot care so much about. Yes, you can see that. Now. Now, let's pass four twenty five years later. I'm back. Life is amazing. Life is amazing. Oslo two story if you guys that's great. Well, I mean, again, I, I don't know what he's going to be like Xs and os wise in the crucible of a big ten championship game or an NCAA tournament game. But in terms of bringing buzz to the university, and in terms of putting his name out there, and what he can bring back in terms of recruits, there's nobody better that they could have hired with a story in connection to the university. I you know, I they could have gone and gotten somebody else's sending young coach or you know, stuck with a, a former Balon assistant or dumb. What ward manual the athletic director, did I fully support it? I'm all in. Jalen Rose's our first guest tomorrow, went on get up said that he and Webber will get back together does take two to Tango there. But Webber was on this show saying that he will definitely be the first one to show up. They're going to have to kick him out of the gym. And then there's people like LeBron and Dwayne Wade who will be, you know, focusing on their former Miami teammate, while also focusing on their children playing together. I Sierra canyon prep school here in Los Angeles brownies going to Sierra canyon. He's going to be playing with Zaire way twain, wait son twain son will be a senior and Brian, you'll be freshman playing together, Jesse what Frank I sold a tweeted out seem fantasy what Franken Sierra canyons doing better in free agency than the Lakers. That was funny as a good line. Yeah. I think they will when it's all said and done. Right. Who's gonna go play for the Lakers, man. I mean that's, that's yeah. I'm I honestly I do not know how, how do you have to figure you want to know how to coach in a game? He's been sure through a ton of big time, NBA assistant as Weber pointed out, when he was on the show pounding the table for Juwan Howard two weeks ago last week. Whatever saying that, it's Pat Riley, he's, he's learned from Pat Riley teammates would LeBron LeBron wait. I mean, if you're a kid, looking to go to school. Depending to be coached by a guy on the fab five. I know. Right. Awesome. I love it. Game one tonight NBA finals Michelle beasts. Bruce Arthur talking about that today was great having Christian yelich, John today's show, also tomorrow, as I mentioned, Jalen rose will be our first guest up. He's on with Michelle Beedle tonight. So we'll talk about the NBA finals game one. What do you think happens? I don't know. I think the raptors take it Charles at one point favorite. Is that right? So I don't I don't I don't know what that means. Okay. Others. 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Trump's words of incitement and his party's eagerness to pump it up

All In with Chris Hayes

43:57 min | 1 year ago

Trump's words of incitement and his party's eagerness to pump it up

"Tonight on all in. She's got a away about her. That's very very bad. I think for our country, president attacks congresswoman Ilhan, Omar. She is somebody that does it really understand. I think life real life drawing on the kind of bigotry that fueled his campaign, a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States kind of bigotry that fuels Republican Bates, she's infatuated without Guida with HAMAs tonight Trump's words of incitement and his party's eagerness to pump it up, plus it's called flipping almost illegal. Why current and former Trump aids are running scared of the mother report and the twenty twenty field continues to grow Tim Ryan joins me to explain why he's running for president. We need a grinder all in starts right now. Good evening from New York. I'm Chris Hayes tonight, a member of the United States house representatives is receiving death threats. Do she says to the actions the present United States and the president doesn't care? Congresswoman Omar sent out a release last night saying that you are tweet from a couple of days ago has led to direct threats on her life. Any second thoughts about that tweet and the way it was produced and put together. No, not at all. Not at all. We're going to play the rest of transfer. Sponsored a moment. Let's take a moment to remember exactly what happened here. The president nited states posted a video the took. A few words by congresswoman Ilhan, Omar completely out of context to suggest. She was playing down this number eleven attacks that video the posted juxtaposed her words with images of mass murder. And as a result, Omar said, she experienced an increase in direct threats in my life, many directly referencing or replying the president's video in her statement. Omar also noted the sterban finding the county's at hosted are Trump rally in two thousand sixteen saw two hundred and twenty six percent increase in hate crimes. That is he real study, by the way, she citing one that says something truly unnerving about how this presence rhetoric is received by some of his most ardent supporters out of the rest of the president's answer. Look he's been very disrespectful to this country. She's been very disrespectful, frankly to Israel. She is somebody that doesn't really understand. I think life real life. What it's all about. It's unfortunate. She's got a away about her. That's very very bad. I think for country, I think she's extremely unpatriotic and extremely disrespectful to our country. Okay. There's a lot there L. Let's start with the president's claim that Ilan Omar doesn't understand what quote real life is whatever you think of on Omar or politics or things she said there is one thing about her. That is indisputable. She sure's hell knows what real life is about. When she was eight years old, Omar fled civil warned Somalia, she then lived in a refugee camp in tenure for four years before making America as high school freshmen, and despite all that verse Rishi eventually rose to become a member of congress Ilan, Omar was not for the record born to rich parents. She did not attend a private board. School and get handed hundreds of millions of dollars by her daddy via dubious tax schemes and outright fraud on like the man who lectures, her about real life. But it's no surprise that. Donald Trump has such contempt real on Omar Trump launched his political career by harnessing anti Muslim bigotry with the lie that Barack Obama was a secret Muslim born outside the country. He went onto falsely claimed he saw thousands of Muslims in New Jersey cheering this temporal eleven attacks. Made a wholesale rejection of one billion Muslims ruled wide the centerpiece of his campaign. Donald J Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. You're the crowd there that enthusiastic applause is a good reminder that Trump is exploiting anti-muslim sentiment that has long existed and his party as you pointed out today two thousand four poll found that about forty percent of self identified. Republicans the Muslim Americans should be required registered the government two thousand six poll found wide anti Muslim prejudice, Republicans ascribing more negative, political and religious qualities to Muslims and being more posed to having Muslim as neighbors than are Democrats and independence long before Trump's presidency. You could see not so thinly veiled, anti Muslim bigotry in GOP fearmongering about sharia law and the so-called ground zero mosque today, you see it manifested in the conspiracy theories about the fire Notre Dom, which some of the right are now suggesting falsely was the result of Islam terrorist attack on from TV last night. Disgraced ex police Commissioner convicted felon, Bernie Kerik flaunted his own bigotry claiming that congresswoman Omar is infatuated with. Al-qaeda and that the council on American Islamic relations Muslim civil rights group is in fact, a terrorist organization. She's infatuated without Guida with Hamas Hezbollah she was at care at a fundraiser. She was the keynote speaker out of fundraiser for care, which according to the United Arab Emirates in our nation. They are a terrorist organization. Out free action. The chair the natural board and the council American Islamic relations rule Allush, I I guess I should have you respond to character. Obviously, it's a fairly slanderous statement. Yeah. Thanks, Chris for having me and for the opportunity to speak on these issues. So the statement that was just referenced care is an organization that works for the civil rights and liberties of American Muslims, and by the United States government's own definition and clarification is not a terrorist organization. So as Americans we should look to what our own government says about our organization cares. Very happy and honored to work with government officials. We oftentimes have elected officials at our events in support of our community in the work that we do in support of American Muslims. There has been. We have seen a real pernicious anti Muslim bigotry in American politics in the last eighteen years and even before them, but intensified after nine eleven I think it's fair to say where things stand now as you watch the president doing what he's doing and the Republican party and the conservative movement and Trump TV and the way they speak about one of two Muslim women elected to congress. What we're seeing Chris is such an increase in hate hateful attacks against Muslims and very specifically representatives claybin, Omar Representative Omar's a courageous leader. She someone who speaking her truth as you reference. She's somebody who knows a lot about life. She survived war. She chose a new land. And she's committed to serving as an American and serving the American people as a Representative in congress, and we have unfortunately, people on both sides of the aisle. Now, aren't speaking out strongly enough for her and in support of her as the president is inciting these hateful attacks on her. You know that word inciting which you use others of us. I've used myself the argument I've seen from some some of the president's defenders is look politics. Beanbag criticism is criticism. She said what she said we juxtaposed it with images of what happened on that day fair's fair when you say to that. Well, I her words were taken out of context. And Secondly in probably even more importantly, she has reported that she's seeing an increase in death threats and attacks against her. And to the point where she's now receiving tax daily. This is a person who serving our country who serving as a Representative in congress and deserves people on both sides of the aisle to say enough is enough people need to let her speak her truth and speak for herself. But she shouldn't be subjected to these increasing attacks in that are unfortunately leading to threats against her life is there. How would you say things are more broadly? I mean, obviously, Illinois Mars become a kind of a lightning rod for certain aspects of our political system, and it's bigger trees, but more broadly. What do you think that this president has done in shaping the way that conversations happen about Islam Muslim, America? Chris it's been a really difficult time for the American Muslim community since the campaign of two thousand sixteen as you referenced many years before that, but certainly since the presidential campaign, and since this president's time in office with the Muslim ban and many other attacks on civil rights and liberties of Muslims and many other communities. It's been a challenging time and Representative Omar Representative today being the first to Muslim women in congress are very great example of good that can come from difficult times, and they serve as inspirations to American Muslims and people of all faith in our country. And so we're honored that we have their expertise in their leadership at a time where there's so much difficulty. Allush of care. Thank you for your time tonight. Thank you, Chris. Joining me. Now, do I'll say it is for Michigan do material candidate share the progressive group. Self publishing Masha Gessen staffer New Yorker new piece discusses the dangerous bullying of Ilhan, Omar mush I wanted you talk about what you wrote in that piece. What do you mean by the dangerous, bullying of Alano, mom? Well, I was writing about what I know about political violence in. Regimes run by autocrats or as firing cuts and. Wireless in such by such leaders is often delegated and they go after the week, they go after people whose presumptive allies don't stand by them. And I think that's what we're observing. We're observing Donald Trump, basically painting a target on Ilana Mars back by and we're observing congressional Democrats. Lee not standing by her and exposing her to extreme danger in a sense. We don't expect anything else from Trump. But I think we should be expecting more from people who should be Omar's allies, a someone who's been in the Rena yourself and run for office and knows how brutal political rhetoric can be particularly polarized times. I I want to ask you the question that I just asked Rula, which is basically what is where the boundaries here. And what what makes this what the president tweeted in the way, they're treating Ilan Omar different than the normal Perry and thrust politics to your mind. I think the question we have to be asking about how open a democracy we want. Do we want anybody in everybody who believes in this country to be able to stand up and run and to run on the beliefs that they espouse and the fact of the matter is is that what the president is doing is using Ilan Omar's, faith and Jerez as a subtext to make an argument about certain kinds of people not belonging. And I wanna go back to. Russia's point for a second. Because the fact of the matter is we know that Donald Trump is the bullying chief. That's that's not a matter of question. The matter of question is whether or not Democrats decide that diversity is a matter of window dressing that we like you if you're not saying anything, or if Democrats are serious about standing up for members of our party who believe in potentially different ideas, ideals, and are willing to speak truth the power on challenging conversations, and we're not seeing that out of the Democratic Party. I ran for office in two thousand eighteen I was not under the same kind of spotlight, but I had to take on a fulltime bodyguard because of the number of death threats. I was getting running for state office. I cannot imagine the kinds of challenges that Ilhan and her family and the folks around her under staff have to deal with every day fearing for their lives because of the incitement of this bully, and the failure to stand up on behalf of the Democratic Party leadership. Masha one thing that I think is is sort of bizarrely memory hold. Here's at one of the president's more fanatical supporters sent pipebombs to two dozen of. Most prominent political foes, just a few weeks before the election. He pleaded guilty. That's his sack, but it was clear that he was picking out people based on who the president was going after and the the actions of one man, the president responsible for that person. But it's just a fact of the matter that looms over all of this discussion. Exactly. Again, political violence in modern times, often delegated its designating somebody as target and showing this person is not protected this person. Nobody is standing up to defend this person. It won't we saw again. Over the weekend. Is that house speaker Nancy Pelosi said that she spoke to the sergeant arms about protecting more. But she has not said, he's she's not acknowledged Omar in any way, she is not stood up for Omar herself. She's out someone else to protect this person. And that that is the kind of protection that is not a defense Masha the point a dual about the the ways in which Omar zone rhetoric is is tricky for some Democrats just because on substantive levels, some of the things she said about Israel. They don't agree with or other things. They don't agree with. Findlay. What do you say to people say, look I have to keep my distance from or politically or I don't believe in her substantively. And you want me to go out there and vouch for this party is always prided itself on being a party of the big tent and being willing to stand up for the little guy and speak truth to power, and you've got a leader in congresswoman, Omar who is standing up speaking her truth talking about issues that everybody has run away from for a very long time. And what we're seeing is that the party is not standing with her. They're pushing her outside of the tent. That's just not okay. You mentioned says our CEO, can I'll tell you. Now, I've got a sixteen month old baby girl, and I remember getting a call about the fact that we had an FBI agent come to our house, and that we were on say SARS watchlist he'd Google our name and our address and fact of the matter is you shouldn't have to worry about your kids being targeted for violence to run for office in this country or to serve your country and one more point about congresswoman, Omar this is women who's taken an oath to protect and defend the constitution of this. Country not once when she took office but twice when she chose to become an American, and that's a choice that she she knows. Well, because she was escaping kind of challenges that she left in Somalia this woman believes in this country, and we've got to believe in her in her leadership, and we've got to stand with our leaders, even if we might disagree with them politically in the Democratic Party has got a lot of learning to hear Masha one of the things we've watched available time is the way in which the GOP and the president have used Muslims as a kind of scapegoat as a kind of other and the politics of that as someone who has written in thought about the way those politics work. What do you see happening here? Well, I see or more basically not behaving in the way that she's expected. She is not performing humility. And that a freshman congresswoman should she's not performing gratitude in the way that an immigrant should. And make no mistake. What Trump is saying about her being unpatriotic about being a bad person. He's talking about a bad immigrant bad Brown. Immigrant bad Muslim immigrant who who who was allowed into this country, and is not being grateful, and I think that those are locations, and that's I'm putting it very mildly. And I also want to say that I don't actually think that the problem is disagreement among Democrats between Democrats and Omar on substantive issues. I think that it's actually style disagreements substantive issues that she's bringing up that Muslims the civil rights of Muslim Americans are trampled, including by the government. That's indisputable things that she said about Israel about Isreaeli influence on American politics are indisputable the way she has said them has been ill advised at times. And her message is basically what this is. This is how I'm going to say it that may not be the most politics doing it. But it certainly should not punishable by the kind of threats that she's receiving. All right. I'll do and Masha Gessen. Thank you both tonight. Thank you next. Why the impending release the motor report has some White House officials in a panic because it might reveal who talk to the special counsel fearing the presence. Wrath in two minutes. Hi, it's Katy Tur wanna keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go subscribe to the NBC daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed or this unprecedented era of news, text MSNBC, two six six eight six six to subscribe. Ahead of the release of a redacted version of the molar report on Thursday. Current and former White House officials are in a state of panic according to exclusive reporting from ABC news aids are concerned about being exposed as Muller's sources for damaging information, the president experiencing what one source called breakdown leveling Zayed's some twenty White House aide set for voluntary interviews with the special counsel after being encouraged to cooperate but the president's former legal team. But now the possibility looming of new evidence incriminating the president staffers worried about the consequences sharing what they knew because we know this president feels about so-called rats as one official amici's. They got us questions and told the truth. Now, they're worried the wrath will follow joined now by one of the reporters who broke that's NBC news reporter Carolee. What is the big concern here? Among the people in this circle. The big concern is that these are officials who were told to cooperate with the Muller. Best Gatien by the White House and presence legal team. They went and did that they had inerview had no choice. But to be completely honest. Tell them everything they knew. And now they're freaking out because this report has been come out and the president may or may not be able to determine who told the special counsel what and things that are going to make him look, really bad. And so they're worried are their names going to be in this report. Is it going to be, you know, so and so said, the president did X or is it going to be kind of Bob Woodward style like who done it in terms of individuals said, yeah, everyone can kind of figure it out. And so third really worried about it. Because the president is he is indicative in this, way and breath focus, and so what is he going to do is he going to go after them on Twitter's going to try to block them from getting differ. Gigs. Who knows it could run the gamut and his allies will do the I thought that was interesting because these are not people by and large still work in the White House. It was my understanding a few that still work in the big circle of people. And I thought it was interesting that they're fearful of the presence rap because question of like what would the president? Do the answer is the president runs a Republican party at this point the president's mad at you. You're in trouble, if you work in Republican politics, and he can do a lot of damage to and it's unpleasant. I've been we've talked inches that look at some pleasant. He's coming after you, and he's tearing down your reputation, and that matters it matters. If you know in terms of the work, you're trying to do it just matters. I don't know how you feel about yourself. And so there if you let it if you play therapists for a second leading anonymous white how of Shusha up there. There's something strange. It's happening. So we're away from this report. Right. So the president's people all run around and say, we're vindicated. No collusion. No obstruction. Everything's fine. And yet they're like preparing this counter report a question like if jury came back and said, you're not guilty. You wouldn't prepare a counter report to refute said jury, we'll just show. Jerry hasn't come in that they don't know. Right. That's the so they're putting on this face of positive spin, president was cleared. He didn't do any anything wrong bar summary, really gave him a lot of mental. And reality is the reality that they know is they don't know what's in this report. And they don't know what it's going to sound like and look like and how it's going to change the political landscape to the extent that it does what it's going to do to Republicans on Capitol Hill at all depends on what's in there. And they don't know. And so they're preparing for all different scenarios, and we'll calibrate depending on what the actual fort says one of the one of the things that there's been a lot of focus on. Obstruction part of this and Don Mcgann and obstruction. Do you do we know what they've been briefed on there's reporting they've been briefed inside that White House. But do we know who's been briefed on what they've been? We don't know. Exactly. We don't know. And I would say there's a lot that they don't know. And so they're walking around the White House staff right now is walking around. And it's a black box to them large others in bars letter exactly and that is very unsettling to them, and they're about they're in this timeframe where they were riding on the high bar summary, which gave him a lot of momentum a lot of political capital, and they were to spin that very positive for the president, and that's about to potentially run out. And so that's why you're seeing kind of freak out from people who cooperated because what's going to come to them. And then the presence legal team is kind of preparing for all different types of scenarios. I always think it's fascinating. Fessing sort of character study in that the people are on the president have no idea what he's done or will say right like at any point everyone's operating blind. Because like Lord knows what Donald Trump is such a difficult client, if you're a member of his legal team and also to work for him. Yeah. Among other things carol-lee. It's great to have you think ahead with democratic field growing and growing Ohio. Congressman Tim Ryan joins me to talk about why he's running for president. That's next. Feeding the increase media attention to presidential candidate Buddha. Judge mayor south bend, Indiana is the idea that Democrats need to win back greater industrial mid west to be successful presidential race. And that a candidate from that part of the country. Broadly has the best shot at doing. So it's part of how Minnesota Senator clover showers pitching her comparative advantage the president of candidate. It's part of the reason why Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown seriously flirted with run for president before deciding not to there's another Ohio politician who is giving twenty twenty candidacy a real shot. If elected congressman Tim Ryan would become the first sitting member of the house representatives elected president since another Ohio politician James Garfield hit way back in eighteen eighty with me now is congressman Tim Ryan twenty twenty democratic presidential candidate. Could you have you hear me? Of all the people in the United States age thirty five or above or natural and citizen. Why should you Tim Ryan be present United States? Well, first and foremost, I can win I can rebuild that blue wall. The western PA, Ohio. You just mentioned Michigan, Wisconsin. But more than that. I think I understand the need it back onomic economic needs of people in communities like the one I represent and that to me is the essential issue in our country today, the economic inequality the economic divide that we have in the fact that people are just sick of trying to get by. They wanna thrive not just arrive. And that's what I'm going to bring the White House. When you say you understand sort of the you can win, right? You can rebuild the blue wall. Could you win statewide in Ohio Jim Ryan, and why not do that goes? Right back on the map. No, I'm saying why not run for statewide office. Why go from running for house for? Resentatives? Yeah. You know what? I mean, totally I've been in congress is my seventeenth year. I've been working on these federal issues. They're very important to me. I think the issues around our foreign policy our engagement in the world critically important trade deals have been a train wreck for communities like mine Hollis out. So I don't I think if you don't get those macro economic policies straight around trade around taxes around really federal investments around the new technologies we've been trying to piece together in communities like Youngstown bunch of others around the United States. But if you don't have the force of the federal government behind initiatives to win the future each community each state's going to struggle. When you think about where the country's headed under Donald Trump. What do you think the worst thing that has he has done is president is I think we're I mean, obviously, the example he sets that will go when he goes that example, will have hit the recent button the economic failures his failure to really address the structural changes of our economy are going to last for a long time because China is breathing down our throats, so he divided the country further than we were already divided divided countries a weak country, and it's preventing us from really dealing with this economic challenges. China's coming after us they have forty percent of the electric vehicle market. They have sixty percent of the solar panel market. They're building bases in Africa islands in the South China Sea. They're building a railroad from northeast China to Rotterdam, but isn't that just as euro some version of a world view, the president himself? Also shares right? I mean, if you look at the president on trade things like NAFTA or China, right? His view is very kind of mercantilist view if Canada Mexico doing well, we're getting screwed if China's doing well, we're doing getting screwed. What I'm hearing from? You is it is sort of zero-sum between us and China. But it can't be the the the case that people prosper together, the different countries together, totally if the United States really has an industrial policy if the United States is saying if the president of the United States is sitting down saying, how do we dominate the electric vehicle market? China's forty percent now how do we win that? How do we make those cars in the United States the batteries the charging stations? How do we make solar panels in the United States? Let's compete. Let's go. I'm ready to have a competition with China. The problem now is China has a ten year plan twenty year plan fifty or plan hundred year plan, we live in a twenty four hour news cycle, and we're getting our clocks cleaned. But they're also they're also not a democracy. The Chinese communist party knows a thing or two about planning. Tuck thing to replicate that they got they have inherent advantages. But they don't have the creativity the ingenuity the innovation the kind of wherewithal we do to create a new economy. We have the creative edge over China problem is we're not tapping into it because we're not invest in education. We're not invested in research. We don't have a plan around some of these newer technologies. These technologies are grown at twenty five. Thirty percent a year. You take added manufacturing three D printing. Three to five million jobs in the next ten years. Let's dominate it. So you don't get to pick your opponent opponent is China and they had their advantages. We have ours problem is we're not tapping into ours. What would be if you were elected, president states? Let's say through somewhat an amazing political turn of events you had both the house and the Senate that were democratic majorities. What would be your first piece of legislation? You would move your first Mesic policy priority create industrial policy in the United States, really focus on how. How we dominate these industries? How does that look like legislatively like you mean, like a sort of infrastructure Bill sort of research and funding Bill, I think it's got to be all of them. Of course, you got to do infrastructure roads. Bridges kind of traditional stuff. We've gotta make sure we have the high speed internet China once again killing us on five G, we're stuck in four G. This is all part of an industrial policy pick two or three of these industries that we say we want to dominate sit down with the car companies sit down with the department of energy department of defense, National Science Foundation, small business. How do you get early stage capital into some of these innovative talking industrial policy government business get together? Like, we're gonna plan on these strategically put our chips behind these enterprises in these areas. Yeah, I mean how how throwing this. I mean how how do you go to the moon? Right. You like, okay. And then all these technology spin out of that. Who knows what? Would batteries are gonna come. And I'm not saying it should be a centralised plan. I'm saying bring in our free enterprise system. That's our comparative advantage to help us scale this up, and it should all lot of it should be focused around decarbonising, the United States and making sure we are leading the world in reversing climate change using our government using our education, workforce and free enterprise system. Is that something that the voters in your congressional district and get behind decarbonising United States jobs, the jobs that come jobs that can get them? But we talk about climate. We need to be talking about jobs. This isn't that the conceit of the green new deals to do that. Well, maybe. Yeah. I mean, the guaranteed jobs and other, but I'm saying winds Rona twenty five thirty percent here solar is growing at twenty five. Thirty percent here added that in three to five million new jobs in the next ten years. We're going to make we're going to go from making one two million electric vehicles in the United States to thirty million somewhere in the world someone's gonna make those I want those made the United States, and here's the key. Chris we have to do this the tax code the incentives. Investments we have to drive them to distress communities to communities of color old coal old steel old auto old rubber communities that have been left behind in the deep south. We got a spread the wealthier eighty percent of venture capital that goes, three states, California, New York. Massachusetts nine percent goes to women to less than two percent. Go to people of color. We've got to spread this out. Everybody wants a piece of the action here in these workers in on the deal spread the wealth and intentional or unintentional. Huey long reference. Ryan president candidate. Thank you time. Grab me ahead. As of right now Senator Bernie Sanders is the current front runner for the democratic nomination. Why that is reportedly worrying some Democrats coming up, plus which Trump official can get from confirmation investigation. The quickest thing one thing to next. How much does Donald Trump the swamp? The answer is not much at all. He c- drain the swamp thing he said that his campaign crowds light. But then as soon as he got to Washington almost cartoonish how featured the Trump swamp got is cabinet was filled with people like Ryan Zinke secretary of the interior who's in the job for less than two years and managed to fifteen investigations into his conduct resigned in disgrace. And should be far from the swamp since according to the rules laid out in that pretend drain the swamp executive order by the president executive branch appointees are banned from lobbying for five years after leaving their government jobs. So whatever he's doing. Absolutely sure is new work is very separate from anything. He do the department of interior or maybe it's with the gold mining firm. That's pursuing project approvals involving the department of interior. That's right. Zinke is joining the board of US Gold corP, who CEO cited Zinke is excellent relationship. Interior department in explaining its hiring thinki-. Of course, a job would not constitute lobbying. Of course, not. Well, the good news is that the interior department has a brand new secretary now so all those ethics investigations are in the rear view mirror or not, and that's two in sixty seconds. So do you think that after he finally drained the swamp someone is conflicted? As Ryan Zinke, President Trump would choose a squeaky clean replacement to head the department of interior. If you're watching the confirmation hearing for his new nominee, the first sign that something was awry, or the actual swamp things in the audience, those were, of course, Greenpeace activists protesting Bernhardt who they call the ultimate swamp thing due to his work as a corporate lobbyist, the oil industry and allegations that he kept lobbying after legally declaring he had stopped and that he used his position to push for polls. He desired by a former lobbying client. Oh, and that he blocked the release of report showing the effects of pesticides on endangered species. Bernard has so many conflicts of interest. He and I'm quoting here has to carry a small card listing them all of the Washington Post. No seriously. He keeps a card in his pocket in case. He needs a cheat sheet about all his conflicts, but none of that stopped every single Republican Senator. And if you Democrats voted to confirm Bernhardt. Last week as our new secretary of the interior that was last Thursday. And then yesterday just four days later, the interior department's internal watchdog opened investigation into their brand new secretary David Bernard come on down. Welcome follows request from eight senators and fort government ethics watchdog groups. We need to finish exactly what we came here to do drain. The swamp. Last Monday ice agents pulled over Jose Gonzales Karan's at five thirty in the morning, less than a block from his home as he was on his way to was welding job. He says half a dozen ice agents approached the car and military style gear with weapons drawn yelling hands up and let him away to be processed for deportation left behind twelve year old daughter who is an American citizen in who lives with her grandparents. Her mom wasn't able to be there because she was killed in Afghanistan in two thousand ten as a member of the US army when she was twenty two army private first class Barbara VERA was mortally wounded when insurgents attacked her unit using an improvised explosive device and rocket-propelled grenade. Fire in Kunar province Afghanistan. The Pentagon said the time in other words, the Trump administration decided to send armed ice agents to arrest and deport the widower of the US servicemember killed in the line of duty. A man who is father to a US citizen. And who according to his lawyer has committed no crime other than being out of status Karonga was even granted a legal reprieve by immigration judge after his wife was killed in an immigration judge ended deportation proceedings against him, but get this ice for reasons that are unclear refiled the case against him in twenty eight teen in a judge ordered him deported in December after he missed his court here Gonzales Karan's lawyer says he never knew about the hearing because I sent the notice to the wrong address after three days in custody shipped off to Mexico, and he would still be there in Mexico way. From his daughter were not for reporters. The Zona Republic picked up the story published his account managed to do the nearly impossible which is to shame. The Trump administration over the cruelty of immigration policy. Consoles Karonga was allowed to reenter the US at the Nagoya. Port of entry made his way back to his home lawyer says Karan's it never should have been divorced in the first place because the day he was arrested. His lawyer filed a motion to reopen the case which triggers. Automatic stay of removal. Now, the story here's reminder of to the most important things to focus on with respect to this administration's immigration policy number one as Adam Serwer of the Atlantic ruled the cruelty is the point the contempt. They have for immigrants and their families and loved ones is both genuine and also routinely performed in order to create an atmosphere that they hope will dry people away and keep people out and make their most bigoted and raffle supporters feel big and tough. But number two, even a shameless as they are they are bound by political gravity. We saw this when massive uproar and protests force them against their will to suspend the monstrous child seperation policy. We see it here when outcry over the deportation of the widower of the fallen soldier force them to backtrack which means shameless and insulated as they may be from outrage as much as they may enjoy triggering lives. The outrage still does work. In the New York Times today. That's a perfect microcosm of the dynamic surrounding. Bernie Sanders in this democratic primaries. Big headline about panic among certain anti-santa forces and the democrat coalition that is early strong polling and nearly boundless fundraising ability is going to make him hard to stop article even includes a quote from operative. David Brock agonizing over the fact that going after Sanders only gives him MU mission for more fundraising to his enormous list of supporters. You can see them reading the headlines now, Mr. Brock mused rich, people don't like me. And then sure enough in our later this Email from Sanders campaign to his supporters saying the democratic establishment and high dollar donors or planning how to stop our campaign. They're terrified of our movement as they should be Sanders who not a member of the Democratic Party has often clashed with the party in his long political career has both the most strained relationship with the institutional Democratic Party is also as of this moment unless and until things change the front running for that same. Nomination. Joining me now are two veterans the Democratic Party Barbara Boxer. Former US Senator from California are now hosted the boxer podcast and Robert Reich. Former secretary labor in the Clinton ministration now the chancellor's professor policy at UC, Berkeley, Senator boxer. Let me start with you. There's never been. I think dynamic like this and the Democratic Party there's been insurgents, and such but the relationship between the sort of institutional party and Bernie Sanders strikes me as distinct. What do you think if you go back aways you'll find that it has happened before having said that it should never happen again? And you know, I learned through a lot of hard knocks in all the years. I was in office forty years in office avoid self inflicted wounds. If you don't like Bernie pick a candidate and go, right? And you know, and also this attack on the so-called establishment. I don't get that either. Who's the establishment Nancy Pelosi? She's progressive as they come. The head of the DNC Tom Perez. He's progressive and the leadership in congress. So all of this is ridiculous. It's a self inflicted wound. If it continues people should knock it off and let this campaign go forward may the best person win this race. You know, one of the interesting bets being made here by Sanders. It strikes me Robert is about how democratic primary voters and how the grassroots feels about the institutional Democratic Party. I think he's making about that they're frustrated or feel alienated from them, which is about the Donald Trump made that paid off very well for him, obviously back in two thousand sixteen but I'm not sure the relationship between rank and file democratic primary voters is the same. What do you think? Well, here's the first of all I agree completely with Senator boxer to last thing the Democratic Party needs. Or progressives need is what Barack Obama called a circular firing squad. I mean, we've got to stay together in order to get Donald Trump out of office. That's the most important thing. Now intern. Terms of grassroots versus stylish put grass roots in terms. We're big money. There is an issue. It's transcends the Democratic Party, it transcends, progressivism, it really is throughout the United States. We see more and more concentration of wealth and power at the top. Now, this doesn't mean there has to be a fight inside the Democratic Party. But we do have to understand that one of the big problems facing this country right now, politically, and socially and economically. Is we've got a different kind of Konami, we're political power and great wealth of the top are connected. We've got a fight that let me let me reply to buy one get your response from both you on this about the sort of voiding a circular firing squad. I hear this from Democrats all the time they're anxious about the sort of of that they're anxious about the primary for that reason. And one of the things I think it is the Republican primary twenty sixteen was the ugliest thing I've ever seen. I mean, they were they were they were talking about the president's endowment during a debate. That was that was a debate points with Marco Rubio. Okay. And. Yet. Look what happened like they want me election as dirty and nasty as it got. I guess I wonder like Senator boxer. What what do you take away the lesson here about what makes for a good or bad primary and choosing in choosing a nominee? Listen, we've got some incredible people running and all of this is a big distraction and comparing it to what happened with Trump. I don't even want to go there. It was a thing. I ever do not what we're it didn't work for the country. Let's be clear, and frankly, I don't think it worked for the Republican party. I think that parties dying, but that's a whole other topic. I think right now we've got to move forward with this let each candidate put his or her, you know, issues out there as I look at the field. I find it interesting. I think birdies doing very well. And I think that means it's okay for Joe Biden now to run because the age is no longer a factor. You're going to have happy warriors. You're gonna have angry warriors, you cannot people who were single issue. It's going to be fabulous. But we don't need these letters back and forth from to the so called establishment. Which again, I don't know what that. Means into to Bob's point. He's right about too much money in politics. Those are the rules some candidates decided to walk away from the big money and some candidates are using it. Frankly, I think it's critical for the country. But right now, we need to talk about the people we need to make sure that as Nancy Pelosi says, whoever is our nominee is for the people not for some ideology, not for some special interest. But for the people so let the people decide and stop the circular firing squad. That's that's my perspective, rubber what do you think about the idea that a nasty primary if it happens isn't necessarily fatal or bad thing in the political prospects of political party, a well, I think there's a difference between Democrats and Republicans all this Chris Republicans by temperament and traditional more thorough -tarian. They followed the leader. Once that leader is established. They all line up, and they take that hill. I mean, you can see in the Republican party and the. Right now, Mitch McConnell is basically a lapdog to Donald Trump, and the Democrats are different the Democrats, basically, you know, everybody sings their own tune, and when they fall out if there's a big fallout if there's a big fight is very hard for people to get back together. One out of ten people who voted for Bernie Sanders and the twenty sixteen primaries, I mean, they voted for Donald Trump in the general election. And I think that that is partly partly and this is what I want to respond to the Senator about partly this response to the fact that big money is something that is infecting and corrupting both parties and we've got to organize ourselves. So we are not dependent on big money. Yeah. One of the things that's happened center. Go ahead. But can I just say I mean to say that money is the big issue for those people that they voted for Donald Trump who you know, is God knows what he's taken on the side during this whole thing with the emoluments clause being avoided the rest of it is kind of a joke. Joe he's an ideas a Trojan horse one bit. Yeah. I hear you. But I think they just wanted to rip it up. You know, let's just tear it down rip it up. And that's why they went that way. And it was very very sad for the country. And they have to look inside themselves and decide whether that was the right thing for them to do. No matter what I say is not going to change. What's your heart? All right. Barbara Boxer and rubber rice. Thank you both for your time tonight. Appreciate it. Thanks, chris. That does it for all in. You can catch us every week night at eight o'clock on MSNBC. Don't forget to like us on Facebook. That's Facebook dot com slash all in with Chris. Hi, I'm Megan cigarette. And I'm Eric j MAC, and we're the host of the daily dish Bravo's official podcast every week. We recap your favorite Bravo shows and get the inside scoop from Bravo. Liberties join us every Thursday to get some t- the daily dishes available everywhere you listen to podcasts watching Bravo. Isn't a guilty pleasure itself care.

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Oh, we shall. Yes. Teresa Strasser going to be on the blower and a few. I'm very happy for her talk about old times and her jeans podcast just left Michael Mann's office, nothing. No, nothing. So sorry late here. But just caught up over there. And also it's so God take so long to get from where those guys are to here that's goddamn Christ. He asked that I not say anything to US Pacific. But they're all like all those guys are all like kind of sort of Santa Monica e light, they're not by the beach or just kind on the west side of the college street like Harvard or Yale or something like that. Yeah. This morning, you mind, Brian. Yeah. It's only sought tally and PICO e and stuff. But either way it's all that west side, he stuff and all the big guys are over there. And it was great. You really realize when you talk to God. Like, Michael, man. How engaged the is? And how story it's all stories story. What's the story? How do we do the story, you know? But anyway, as well he should be he had a high streak as good as any writer director when he was when he was in all cylinders the person great movies. I totally agree, and he's sort of an Matic, and that you don't really know his face, and he's kinda, but he's very intense and guys like that are always who is tell people all the time successful, people smart people. They're always in a hurry. And I wish whether it's driving the highways and the byways of this country or sometimes folk you work with sometimes folks, you you live with you have to understand for the people that are successful that want to get things done that have a lot of projects. They're always kind of tapping their horn behind you. And they're not doing it because they're assholes doing because they want. To do things. They may be Astles, but they're going to because they want to things done, right. Like, we just got in the car were driving home. And so we're talking to Michael man about some projects and some stuff, and we were like saying, well, you want to write the book you wanna make the doc. You went to the movie, and he's like I wanted. I wanna go. I don't wanna wait for everything. And I realized what a realize my dad is in. No hurry to do anything because there's nothing he needs to do or wants to do. So it's not even hurt a die. Right. He's gonna hanging out. So time time for my dad and abundant. And I'm picking on my dad, but I'm sensually also just taking to do that are little bit older nears who both live in this town, and they're sort of Metra. No, my dad's thing is what's your hurry? Slow it down. You know? I mean, my dad, and my mom, they could go they could be talking about remodeling the bathroom in their house, and you could come back and see him three years, and they'd be talking about remodeling the bathroom in their house. Now Michelman once the bathroom done he wants to enjoy he wants wants to get it done. He wants to movie he took a dump. He's got a million projects that he wants to do. My dad has zero projects he wants to do. He wants to have hot. It's cheese with those miniature current raisins Bill in it for for lunch. That's his plan. That's his that's his last and I've ever heard eat medium Kurd, low fat cottage cheese. Current in it. Yeah. It doesn't. So when you get in front of my dad, and you're going here, we go. Here we go move it along. Ooh. It's like, it's basically essentially built its own little island of Jamaica, north Hollywood. Michael man, if you think about Michael man, he's seventy one years old. He has fifty projects he wants to do. He has ten years to do those fifty projects when one of those things get held up at the studio and the executive, oh, they fired the old guy. Now, there's a new executive and he's put it on the back burner that drives him insane. Where one because it's really in whatever it is. And whoever's listening, whatever your plan is it's about time. It's not we talk a lot about like. Well, you want to remodel your kitchen? Our people have a dream. You know, you'd like to see your kids finished college or there's that old El Camino, and you wanna rebuild it in the garage. You wanna strip it all down and rebuild the motor and put a fresh coat of paint on it, all that's fine. But there's another aspect of it. How long's it gonna take you? Because. I've known dudes who've been working on cars for fifteen years. They're rebuilding a car. They may be working on a car. They may be restoring a car. They're not having the same experience that I'm having with my cars, which is I want to get them done and move onto the next car is that felt like the friend is always working on the book or the whatever the screenplay like it's more. So you can say you're doing something than actually getting things off your checklist like to work on the this book, they'll ship the book, the S, and and there's something going on. That is not. You live in a world where you go. You want to write a book? I soon you wanna write a book. So let's get it done. Let's get that book done. They live in a world where they say they want to write a book, but they don't really want to write a book, but they want you to think they wanna ride they wanna be seen as writing. And if you ever go round and start sort of pushing pushing them a little they don't like that they will clear you out of out of their life. I I lost a very good friend who was a good friend of mine and high school, and he was a creative guy, and he started an underground newspaper. And he was you know, most likely to edit the New York Times would have been his byline when he graduate thought of him as really creative, really smart. And he's funny, and he's everything and he ended up going to Cal Berkeley at some point ended up just getting a house in oak. Clinton ended up just kind of living there and when stuff started heating up for me out here kept saying come on out come on out. We're hiring. We're hiring writers doing the man show doing crank Yankers come on out. Come on out for anyone truly aspired to you know, that career that life. That's that's a that's a gift. Yeah. Never come having moments. Yeah. The and so he said he kept saying I got an idea for book. I got an idea for a book it was on. Like dating Brazilian women. And and I said, yeah. Okay. But come on out. Let's get writing on the man show or let me introduce you to Jimmy or whatever it is. And I brought so couple things remember very clearly I this half the show brought to you by truecar dot com. Lifelock dot com interisland cash allege as well. So I hold on Brazilian Dougie's. All right. I'm out. Yeah. So I brought him out. And I said come on out stay with me for few days. Let me show you let me introduce you Jimmy and Daniel and the rest of the guys they're talking about projects or whatever and he came out. And all he wanted to do is borrow I had two cars. He wanted to borrow the other cars because he'd met some chick online or something and wanna go hang out with or whatever. But he never really actually did the business that I want him to do job was the interview was just the red herring to right, right? Then he went back. And then I I said to him look. Yeah. View should come on out and get going, and he said, I got clean my room. And once I'm done cleaning my room, I'm going to write this book, and he did this robot two years, and I don't think people who provide these kinds of answers to vary. Sane people know what it sounds like. And then at a certain point I shoulda yanked on his leash. And I said I've been here about you cleaning your room for two years of inherent about you writing a book on dating Brazilian women. I don't think it's happening. You don't seem to be doing it. And I don't I don't understand what you're not coming out here. And starting a career in comedy your languishing where you are like I was hearing. He's telling me stories of like, oh, well, I got screwed because I owed visa credit card company seventeen hundred dollars. So I had to I had to declare bankruptcy. And like just insane. Loser them stories. And I said, hey man enough with the excuses come on out here. And let's let's start this new chapter in your life of pressure comedy. And it's like he didn't like my tone with thing. And he kind of came back at me. And I was like listen it's been three years. I've been I've been telling the I'm successful. You can be successful come on out here. Every talk to tell me how broke Yar how you roommates screwed you over declare bankruptcy or your your boss at the rental car place is a bitch. And she hates you because you're smarter. And she is and she's jealous. Whatever screw that come out and make money and like big pushback and back like, you know, you're not the boss of me kind of kind of thing. And then at a certain point as good screw you like then don't come out, then I'll just make money here. And you you stay there, and Oakland is like fuck you very much, and that's the last I've ever smoked him. But rather than the door come on in? I do I think. That's people like that want you to finally break up with them. You know, like they can't handle the opportunity. They can't handle the invitation. So please just leave me alone. Let me tell you I grew up with and you guys still get fed a steady diet from politicians, and society, alike and motivational people and everyone else I steady diet of if these people just had some opportunity if these people were had were forted the same. They grew up poor they grew up on those tracks their parents Bubba. But if they were given the chance to excel they would grab the American dream bull fucking shit. I've had a thousand conversations with a thousand losers, right? Went listen to me. Let me help you. Fuck you. You're not my boss talk to the hand this fucking notion that like, oh, these poor people are so noble, all they. One is a bite at the apple. They just wanna chance are you fucking nuts? Everyone of fucking try to help us to fuck myself. Everyone of every all fucking poor all fucking losers all making the same things over and over again all have some insane pride. They must have been born on like planet pride like like crypt on like superman, another fucking planet, and they're fucking sitting there. Authors opportunities sticking kryptonite. Here you go. Fuck and puffed up there telling me about how they roll. And what they do. And how I'm not the boss them. They don't have fucking a pot to piss in and this notion that all these folks need is just a help up just that lent. Just a helping hand that is something we have signed off on like as a society. Like, this guy just had a helping hand. No goddamn way in my experience almost everybody. I have extended the helping hand to in. When here's what we'll do has been bitterly disappointing to me and their attitudes have been worse than their actions. They're horrible. No one's no one said a word. No, no one ever does. What you ask them to no one ever says, thanks, no one takes advantage of anything. And this guy I'm talking about this guy went to UCLA and Berkley. I mean, we're not telling about. Yeah, we're not talking about. Now who was raised as a? Pharrell child in wild the wilds of North Carolina or something wherever the hell. She wants. It was like a you local thing is in country. Yes. So now, no you can't just go to people, please. I know the way follow me I've been where you've been I understand how it works. Police. Follow me will go that direction. And let me help. No, no, no, no, no, no fucking. No. I've I've lived it. I've seen it. It doesn't happen. Now. Michael man will work with you. He's got stuff he wants to do. But he doesn't need help and Jimmy will do things, but he doesn't need help. I don't know the people that have actually needed help that I've tried to help that have went along for the ride. I honestly don't and it's sad. But I wish people would would sort of get rid of this notion of all we have to do is put of ocassional education system like with these. Kids. We just need some kind of occasional trae will put it right in their neighborhood. And then they'll flock it not not necessarily at all. It's a great story. But it's rarely case. No, most people who are where they are kind of like it there and their own fucked up way bite on and they're not really there to be held. And if you try to help them, they don't like it. Now, what they do want something from you. They went to come out borrow your car and see if they can get late. But what they don't wanna do whatever the work is that's involved. And they certainly don't want to say thank you for the car. No. And it is at some point. They'll resent you because you have stuff that they don't have. All right. Theresa's on line five. Do we have may have an interest on for her? Let's here. Ping at her to Adam Karol, the was laughing at her too. Theres's? Trust was leaking water from her. And no most around the crew. Put. Adam, dude. And k he was too busy. Tears. She seemed to share the more his gums will flapping he was like a hyena smoke in crowd to re sucre his with. That's win. Adam stone. Was uncomfortable. One of the few who listened to me Teresa Strasser on power. Thank you so much for having me now, Adam I very much relate to the character. Nell played by the great Jodie Foster in that. I don't have great social skills, and yet still I feel like I have an insight into your laughter. We did when we did the bitch bag with. I think that that great rich banks is about and I cried and you laugh. We I recently listened to the entire thing again painful as it was. And it was actually my favorite thing about that clip that you couldn't stop laughing. And I'll tell you why I could feel your love for me when you. Because I knew that you were laughing out of this discomfort for my actual real Pasig level of shame that I was feeling in that moment. And I knew it was only because you cared that. It was it was so unbearable to you had to laugh in my clothes. Dead nuts on. No, I I wish I had more insight is to why was laughing. I think I am wired this way, which is. One of the many ways I'm wired that people don't enjoy which is I will decide whether you're actually hurt or not. Decide that. So if my kid take doctor, yes. So when when you have kids, and they take. Take a spill. Spill, and you can sort of tell whether they took a heart and fall or just kind of spilled they land on their tokens. They start crying. If I've decided it's not a bad fall. I grab them pick them up and go you're fine and sort of push them push him toward the TV set. So when when people are upset, I decide whether it's legitimate or not, and I decided you were very now, obviously, you have a delicate wiring and you were born in fortified wine country. You know, what it hasn't gotten that much better not to take you off track. But I remember when I got married and had a baby I can fight it in you that I was very scared that I was gonna become happy and no longer creative or interesting. And you told me do not worry, you're still deeply crazy. You are crazy like Mike Tyson. Jesus. I'm sure been compared favorably to Mike Tyson on many other occasions only, I probably heard it somewhere, read it and evening paper. No comforting founded soothing, okay, happy. But I'll still be crazy whatever. Yes, I've deemed you lovable, but crazy, and whatever was you're crying about I've deemed not to be an actual event worth crying. For thus. You were my child who just took a spill, but you are fine. And also there's a little bit of it is just nervous laughter. Like well. I don't wanna start crying too. And then the other part is I think I'll I might be able to shake you out of it. Like, you do with the kid go come on come on you. Okay. So I think there's that I hear you were like throwing me in the back of the car, go to urgent care for stitches. You knew it wasn't back on a fall. And I wonder I don't see this part of my let's not put a target on. Everyone's back and not make everyone feel marginalized not make everyone feel like they can't have a voice in our society. I don't think it's a good message. My message is get up your fine. You'll be good. So and even if you're not good it's still a better message than oh my God, call call balance. So Theresa I'm impressed. You're able to go to the state of Arizona and live there in relative domestic bliss and still in a marriage with children. I'm I'm excited. I I'm a little surprised I quit show biz entirely could future. How dare both of you. Here like on the slag heap of show business. But yeah, I'm surprised anybody ten years married kids, very very happily married, and I think like on on days are not on every day. But for the most part, I think I'm pretty good mom, and I love being a mom. Surprised than you? And something about Arizona. Well, understand Theresa seemed very cosmopolitan and sort of. No, she is never been out of the house in pajamas. But what what I'm saying. Is it didn't it didn't seem like the gals from sex and the city we're going to Boca Raton, and it didn't seem like a weird fit like they wouldn't make they need the night lights. They need the scene they need whatever. But tell us what we're all missing. In about Phoenix. It may berry with cacti my husband's coasting to little league teams. I'm at four games a week practices. You know, every family in the neighborhood, you know, every on the team car pool. Voluntary in the classroom. And then I'm also on TV so called the last many second tier markets if you're pulsa if you're in. Many cities in Florida. I think we Lanna Detroit. Probably Phoenix our biggest market, but I'm still doing that. And then of course, the reason I was listening to the bitch bag jiman-. I have started a podcast called easy listening with integrated recess Rosser. It's toxic for podcast. And of course, we talk about the Adam Corolla show both now and then and in honor of your ten year anniversary, congratulations. We in the first three episodes have played some classic moments. And then giving you some behind the the music if you will on some of the famous songs about those Gina, and I and some behind the scenes looks at the world about him, curl. You know, I think as I've entered that round of of domestic bliss to there's a thing that you're constantly fighting against which is like, I don't wanna be bored. I don't wanna have to go the park with the kids. I don't have to seem watch play stupid soccer game. I don't wanna go out that the Chucky cheese with the kids, but there's a lot of fighting against it. When you enter that world, it's quite satisfying and enjoyable. Oh, I agree. I mean soccer that I can't do blacks fall. I think I've missed two games basketball. I I've there've been days where I've I've watched four basketball games in a day. I can watch a fifth. I love watching my kids and you're right. You have to lean into it. Are there days that I feel sad that I'm not Whitney Cummings or Chelsea handler? Yeah. That's just that's not aren't the choices. I made ever even been like that. Well, I gotta say that Theresa has the chops to do whatever she wants creatively of always always felt felt that way about you. Always felt that you had the intellectual comedic or whatever else ability to do whatever you wanted creatively. And you're doing what everyone, and I I I don't know. I would argue that we have to read. Fine. Everything all the time because there is no more sort of hierarchy and in show businesses just kind of living your life, enjoying your life. Not as I said to the late. Great Philip the juggler many times when he would lament not making it. I'd be like you have made it you don't have a job. You don't have a job and you're not unemployed jungle for twenty minutes and naive complaining about you. You've made it, you know. So I I first of all thank you for all the kind things you said, it means so much me that you've encouraged me so much over the years. I've said it many times and liked to say it again, you probably been one of my biggest mentors and biggest supporters over the years and one of the ways I stay close. You is remind Adam Corolla Google news alert, as you know. And you have been all over the news today because you spoke to Tucker Carlson and the thing that. You said that people are picking up on I'm riveted by. And I wanted to ask you about it. So you described the freedom in not caring. What people think about you? And I've always been fascinated about that. I think one of the things that held me back creatively. Is that I deeply care. What people think of me? And I this is my question for you. Do you think you are Wired's not care or do? You think you've cultivated not caring? I there's a yes, there's a little bit of I don't care answer that question actually hungry. So the questions around here, I drilled down on on something with Tucker when I was talking on my podcast. And then I guess they aired it a segment I did a few segments with him. That was on his show last night. There is a thing of when you have a mom who doesn't care about you. Then you extrapolate that into the world because if think about it like who cares? Most about you, your mom. Okay. And then how does it go from there? There's like a sort of hierarchy. Well, okay. Then there's your dad and your grandparents or siblings, and the neighbors and schoolteachers and counselors eventually you get two strangers or people in foreign lands. And who cares? The person you're supposed to care about the most. That's the bar. The person is at the top of the list who should care the person. Who cares? When other people, you know, the person it's going nuts because you scored one basket in a forty minute basketball game where they make a big deal out of it. Or all the things that moms do to care when that person doesn't care then you get in your head that I guess nobody cares. Because you do a man right now the row the is Jimmy Kimmel cares. Much more about me than my mom cares about me. But they're still a math in my reptilian brain, which is well, she didn't care. So now, nobody cares. The imprinted. Nobody cares then who care. And so you can now nobody caring is kind of a kind of a freedom. It's a little bit of of a double edged short like I do run into stuff or it's like, well, so and so is pretty upset about you saying this or that, and I would go why would they care what I say. And they go because you're you or you're the boss or the whatever and go why would they care like, I don't get why they would care. So there's a certain impunity that you can go through life in which is sort of the feeling of when you're in a dream. And then, you know, you're in a dream and now you can go knee, the devil, the nuts, or whatever the cliche is. But you can be whatever you want because it doesn't really cash on. It doesn't really exist. Nobody really cares. What I say. Nobody really cares. What anybody says nobody really cares who's dead or who's alive or who came before them, or what statues needed we rip down or put up or whatever there's all these little momentary. Dreams that feel like reality that gets you sucked into them. But big picture. Do you really care about? We're all living our life like sort of staring out of our own fish bowl at society. And I don't assume that other people care about me because I don't really care about other people. I care that they don't commit crimes, and I'd like them to pay their taxes, and I'd like everyone to take care of their family and their kids and be good citizens and not hurt me or hurt their own or whatever it is. But at the end of the day, the person that's writing some tweet about you. You don't care about them. And they don't really care about you either. So why why buy into it? Then it's great nihilism. We generally seriously, we should all be a little more like this. Well care little less everyone well care about the product, but don't care about what people think about the problem. My my deal is I want the best product. I can put out there. If people are going to and also as I believe, I said on Tucker Carlson, you can't convince me you can't convince me like every once in a while. I'll get an argument with Lynette and Shogo your bad dad, but it doesn't work arguments. It doesn't work because I know a good debt like it won't it won't work. You can't convince me to feel away that I'm not, you know, but you can't commit three them racist. You can't you can call me racist. You can call me, homophobic. You can call me zenith stick. You can call me. Bam everything under the sun. We're not done. It doesn't work because I don't believe in a row easy. Hey, I don't wanna be one Downer. But who do you think between Theresa out of this? A nexus here who whose mom cared less about them. Wow. Time inside. I don't wanna be a one Downer. But my mom is lose custody of me when I was three Hugo. Supplied for custody. That's true you go. Well, you have the benign neglect. Yes. I'd benign neglect. I didn't have a Vert. You know? I didn't have like. Traditional drug abuse and physical abuse. And I just had Laki or herself in the room and tell me to raise you're on your own what we want. As as something though. Actually in argue for you, possibly having worth mom now that I am a mom, I've you things differently, and it actually hurts my heart where I might actually cry just talking about it picture you as a football star into know that your mom was across the street and didn't wanna go watch you play like that. That is. Pretty bad in terms of not caring on the other hand look at how it's widened your perspective because if she wasn't gonna care v there to watch you long snap. Then it doesn't matter. What anyone really thinks? And you're free to express yourself the way that you do. Yeah. I don't know. I didn't realize the Tucker Carlson thing was trending or anything. But I have also realized that the people who would like you to polish is and are offended in the name of the indigenous people or the Asian community or the black community or whatever it is. I don't care about that community. That's for God. Damn sure. Al Sharpton, doesn't give a fuck about black people. If I thought he really did in was concerned about his job is demanding apologies and shaking people down. So I don't assume for second that whoever says they're offended by whatever it is. I said and demands an apology. Even cares. If I apologize or cares about the community. They claim to represent so now it's kind of over to not only am I not that person. But person who wants an apology. You're don't even want an apology, which you want is you want me to step back. They want everyone to shut up and step back and the second. You don't shut up and don't step back. They move on to someone who will shut up and step back, which is now the trend as I'm seeing it everyone who apologizes has to continue to apologize people that go I'm not apologizing to kind of get bored with because they don't really want. What you have to say they want a dominion over you. And if you're not going to give them the dominion. That's the thrust of what they want. They they move onto someone that can have dominion over here. Here depriving is that the Kevin Hart apology rare. He's right. He's sorry. But I'm not going to go on apology tour for three years. I said it and I'm done. That's that's an innovator in humans want satisfaction. And they went gratification whether something immediate back. They went like, you'll apologize. You just don't say anything for three days, and they're not gonna keep standing there pointing their fingers Trump model. He's got to figure it never apologize. Yes. Just never know. Never bending outdoor Saint blitz. This thing from two years ago. Ryan ryan. Brian you remember this this to me, I'll never forget this because I know you don't care and there's a freedom and not caring. And I I love that about you. And I find it fascinating. But you actually physiological because Brian if you'll remember when there was a giant through Matic contract negotiation, which Adam was staying home from his big multimillion dollar a year radio FM posting contract this there's so much drama and in the middle of it. Do you remember that Adam was taken a nap and no one could reach him. This is late December two thousand eight or seven blocked out of my mind. I've not you're talking about those were those were a couple of dark days in the lives of trees and Brian much. I don't that's the other part, man. Part of my other weird wiring is the day. I decided not to go in to Kayla sex and resume my job. So I had a meeting with whoever was running CBS radio or whoever was I'm not protecting them. I just can't remember their name, but mucketty Mukai flew in from New York. And we went to the Ivy. I remember, and I just said on look. I don't want to work another year with Danny Bonnici. I just don't. It's just creatively. Stifling to me. And I know you guys have your feelings about it. And I have my feelings about it. But I'm just telling you as the person who must go in there every morning at five fifty four and try to do comedy for four hours. I gave it up gave it a college. Try. I gave it a year. I'm not I just don't want to do another year. Fifty four you're still you're out. I want to say anything but five fifty eight right? And I I just said just please. Like, just please respect that. Just please understand that I will be. I just I like, Danny. And I think he's a good, dude. And I really don't dislike him as you human. I'm just saying creatively. I can't. I just can't do it in. Please understand that please way that in. And the guy was like, yeah. Okay. We'll do. And then I don't know two weeks later they signed Bonnici for another two years. And I was like why? I just sat down with the gyn begged him not to do that. And he just went back and did it clear about it. And so when the next day came around, and I decided just not to come in. I am such a weirdo. I first thing. I just slept till nine forty five. I didn't get up in a cold sweat at five fifteen I just slept and I didn't. And then I got up and I didn't turn the radio on. And I didn't do anything. I just got up and I start made some eggs and went to the garage. Check your Email. You didn't answer the phone though, the door. No, I didn't do any of it. In part of also part of my weird wiring is I would be uncomfortable. Checking the radio turning. I didn't the most uncomfortable thing to me in the world would have been getting up at nine thirty when I did turning on the radio in listening to you guys talk about where I may have been where I was where I wasn't or what was going on in my world. It's tree falling in the forest. If I don't hear it, it doesn't exist. So I don't turn it on. I didn't turn it on. I didn't do anything. I just pretended like I didn't work there anymore. And that was that. And I'd mmediately just wash it off for my brain and onto working on my car. And I think at some point Jimmy came to my house, I would get to the show center that day try. Came to my house any like rang, my buzzer. And he's like, I remember he said, hey, would you pick up your phone, and I was like, yeah. I'm not really picking up my phone, and he's like pick up your fucking phone 'cause they keep calling me. That was that was what I recall, but also the second they rehired resigned. Bonna do cheat to you know, multiple years, whatever it is the second. They did that. I just went. Okay. Now, I'm done. I made I made it super clear to him what I wanted. And now, I'm just moving on to whatever I'm moving onto or nothing. I don't know. But they made the decision I'm moving on. And I didn't I don't wrestle with it. I was like I'm not gonna do this. I made it clear so they eventually hired me back and so on and so forth. But I did one of my one of my best conversations was with James baby dealt IX my agent. Of course, he was just like baby. Just just love it just ignore him. Just go to go to work. Let him sit there. Let him talk. Let him just ignore him in the next cubicle over just go to work and just ignore. Yeah. And this radio revolt talk show for four hours. He didn't do that math. His his his his his sagely show business advice was sign your contract. Coda work get paid and ignore him. Which is what he'd be doing from Long Island? I wouldn't be able to do that. And I remember saying him. Okay. What have I just let him a call loosen your house? Call this loosen your house, and sometimes you dope in the closet door, and there'd be no macabre. But other times, it'd be a huge parent flapping its wings crying. Sometimes you fling open the shower door and there'd be nothing behind the curtain and then appeared in there, but just ignore it his move on skit about your life. Don't worry get up in the morning, go downstairs, don't worry about the McCaw could be there. Reinforcement which is the scariest kind because you don't know if that devils going to new in the nuts. Oh as long as running this thing about this very specific point in the atom girl shows history. Theresa do. I'm sure this is sure Giovanni is Doug this up at some point, you know, the classic episodes and whatnot. But from the radio days, do you? Remember that end of the year live show, we did with bondage hosted and you and I were stuck on stage of them for two hours. Four games in just to survive. Jane? May also I remember I think it I think it was atoms that dubs his when he called out the red flu. I remember this like the end of the years senior, frogs live, Chris Torrance, or whatever. And all I remember is gone. Well, that's one place. I don't have to go. And I watch TV like I am weird in that. Not only once I shut down I'm down. And then I do the opposite of think about it. Because it's there's no pain. I don't I don't do any hand. Ring. I was an exceptional and comfortable night, and my enduring Abe tritium out of notice on my side of the stage. But Jack Ciller idiot that he is kept coming out and try because the crowd was confused the crawler show and Adams out there and Jack would like try and get the crowd like a lot of this. Share applause sign the clapping. Nutri- the height, man. He was the world recite, man. It was never for me was never calculated. It was just like I don't wanna work with Danny Vonnegut anymore. So I made myself clear, and they that's the now we'll go separate ways. But eventually gave in it was all worth it because Teresa Strasser was born. Although she was born before them, the Theresa what give us a quick rundown for for you. Easy listening Thursdays on apple podcast website. Teresa Strasser dot com. How much writing are you doing if any? I'm doing some I've been writing for the Zona Republic. We is the daily out here and seeing ex if you like a reading about death and dead people that's pretty much beat lately and some mom stuff. And then I'm on the list, as you know, and unites just launch this podcast. I think it's day episode four it's easy listening. It is force on apple, but it's also on Sicher and anywhere. Everywhere. Well to my favorites. Thank you, Teresa Strasser. Respect, a pleasure. I can't thank you enough for having me. Thank you. My dear. I don't know. I have a thought that's convenient for me. But I still feel like it's accurate type. 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But lifelock, but Norton is powerful protection for your identity end devices for tax season and beyond go to lifelock dot com or call one eight hundred lifelock promo code Adam for ten percent off your first year that's promo code Adam lifelock dot com or one eight hundred lifelock for ten percent off. Let me jump on with finish. My convenient accurate thought in the second Dietrich thirty to Holland. Hey, have we if we spoken to you before? Yeah. We did. I call them to the Adam and Dr drew show while back. In Holland, damn it. I'm trying to recall what you do your your school teacher, or do you manufacture something small? Remember what you did? What did you do over there? I am. Well, I came up with this app for people with food allergies called the alert. So if you if you travel to China or something, and you you were allergic to like, dairy or peanuts or something you can use the app to generate a warning message. And then it displays in languages choose. So if you travel around to you, can, you know, tell people that way too. Yeah. That you're allergic. So that's Mario Wendy. How'd you come onto the show? Why why are you listening? Well, I wasn't exchange. Student in the in the US in two thousand eleven and I rent the car that had the Sirius XM had Howard Stern. That's how I kinda got introduced to American radio which is much better than any radio anywhere. Really? And. Yeah from there I discovered podcasts and eventually I someone Pugh guys. And yeah, the doctor through shows the show listen to every day when I go to and from work, whether it's so my car in my bicycle so it's got to fend over here in Europe. Man. And what what about Holland that? Should we know we always here, we hold those countries up in this country as the sort of beacons of the future, you know, the medical forever. One in college for everybody. How good is it? And how applicable would that be to a country like are around? That's interesting question. Well, the Netherlands really great we do pay a lot of taxes, but I think because the countries so smells like a tiny country that has more than seventeen million people in and. Yeah, almost everyone. We gotta very low unemployment and so things are going. Well, so because of that we can afford to could welfare state. I mean, my like if you get hit by a car where you get a bad disease even to the hospital for like two years. You're never going to have to pay one single send out of pocket. But I think the only way because we can only way the only reason we can do that is because we're so small, and it's easy to manage the US is huge. So I'm I'm not sure if our system would work in the US, you know. No, you guys are very different than. Different challenges and different. You know? In a way problems. I have an argument like sort of pro and con like on one hand you go. Well, it's like a little taco stain or burger joint that you love. But how much would you love it if they expanded they had a place in Indiana. And how do you think of fall off a little bit? Or what he's poster whatever it is on the other hand there is kind of an in and out version where you've as very slowly expand. And you keep all the whatever. But it's it's kinda interesting like, we know knew the guy Sebastian as his name, and he came up with the crave jerky. And it's delicious and used to come in here. I think he'd come in here becoming on car cast or whatever. And we talk about we need is crave jerk and we loved it. And then he sold it to Nestle or or or or whatever it is. And. Just having some fly. Now, it's you pick with us. And it's everywhere and some big company bought it baba, blah, and you jump on the Mike brings a sack of the poet lane. You jump on the plane and you start chewing into it. And it's like a little bit dry. Not not what it was not what it was like it got in. Look, I'm not blaming the person buys it. They gotta make money. There's a profit margin. They start going to the little different cut of beef. And it starts expanding. And they've factory gets to be ten billion square feet. And now, it's a little dry. Yeah. So different. There's kind of that. So yes, I don't think you could take a boot teak winery restaurant or country, you live in a boutique country and go well now just expand that fifty fold and they'll never drop off like it probably will. 'cause everything does once you once you do that Dietrich. I agree with that. I mean, if you look at the bigger countries in in the European Union, if you look at Italy or even France right now, I mean there, you know, they're having a much harder time to keep its getting their economy's not doing that. Great. And yeah. Like, the the Netherlands to one of the few countries in Europe that still doing really well. And I think 'cause that's do because we're small and to where we're at trade nation in the Columbus, everything that goes in and out of Europe goes through us biggest harbor in Europe, still and one of the biggest in the world still. So you know, as long as things are going well in Europe, it's going well over here. So we're just geographically in a very good position. And that really helps us so and yeah, again, it's smoke on trees easier to manage than enormous place. No different than a yard. I'm guessing question. Last question. We've often wondered about Dietrich you may you may be the person to answer. That's a someone who's been spent time in the US. And obviously in Holland, the US phrase, going Dutch or Dutch doors, why are the Dutch. So into splitting things one. Is that a Dutch thing trading posts, I think that deal was. Yeah. Trading thing might have something dude it and also we have Celtic history, which is like very sober living way of living. You know, we it's nature to spend the little money as possible. And we have a phrase that goes to do minimum y'all knew of means, if if you act normal, you're being crazy enough, you know, just the low key to flex spend too much money. And I don't know if you ever saw those cheese craters like it's it's an it's the thing that that allows you to slice affair thin piece of. Piece of chief from cheese and wine. Yeah. Inching because there's going Dutch and splitting the check. There's dodge doors splitting split door. I we said when I did carbon wanna fill in mortis called a Dutchman. Meaning don't buy new Cam fix old jam with the piece of wood glue. And it was like there is a Dutch cheapness thing culture going on. But you do a hell of a Christmas dinner with that with that little like what with the botchy grill and everyone gets a little foot. God I love that. Right. What's it called reclaimed? It. You mean? But she grew look what am I thinking about? It's almost like Dutch topics like Brian cheese. It's a little a little grill that you on top of the table and everyone has their own trae. Get your own tiny little pen. Yeah. Thanks dietrich. No, we're going to play some cop talk. But we'll do that. I think that's another show. Good friend, who's Swiss doesn't ever Christmas. Our friends girlfriend came in from Holland and brought us one we had it for Christmas. The the story. Should we still got this super drunken story to tell you also the? Teresa Strasser is a person. But I don't know. I mean, I soon everyone controversial. I don't know the person. No here. I used I think of her oftentimes, which is I have had many disagreements with many people who think I'm many things, but my take and again, it could be a super over-simplistic easy on myself take which is I will you will decide the relationship we have. And if we don't get along that's because something's up with you because Teresa Strasser I never met before. She's a little bit nutty. She's a little bit high strung. She's she somebody that you could easily not get along with if you were me, but I would let her dictate what kind of relationship we would have. And she dictated a good relationship. I don't have a predilection of like I'm gonna make her love me or anything like that. I gave her a couple of pieces of advise have been your. Yes. Oh, make you love me. She would listen to the couple things I said, I were were vastly different people with wildly different opinions on many different things. But she always treated me decently. I was treated her decently. And thus we shall always get along. And I can even tell you. That's that's exactly what she says behind your back. When when when we're not on the air because on on our show, the first three episodes, the first half of the first three are dedicated to the Adam Corolla shell, and we talk about all kinds of fun things and all kinds of crazy things, and she adores you. She respects you, and she truly appreciates all of the the differences between because she's she's learned a lot from it. That's that's what she conveys when you're not listening. I agree. If you don't get along with me, you're an asshole. Yeah. That's what we all took from that. Thank you. All right. I got the super drunk and story are you raising your hands really quick just because we've been talking about radio as we record. This do you know what's about to happen in thirty minutes marking Brian on Kahlo S O coming back into that. Crazy if you're in LA radio fan so for LA and your yesterday. Thanks, brian. Sure. It's on a podcast. They did inspire team player Brian. All right. Another funny cop clip to play from San Francisco. Evidently did a lot of material what that cop on HP guy stage. First Castrol edge stronger. 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What you don't have to say the name of the school, but junior grade high school high junior high is junior high now six through eight is here it's seven through eight. Oh, yes, seventh. Right. That is true. Interesting crowd cry. Never understood the wisdom. I went to high school ten eleven twelve grade. I never understood the wisdom of taking ninth graders putting him in. I mean, my buddy Ray when he was a senior he was nineteen and a God damn animal. And and the way it worked is anyone who wants to north of it high was fair game. Like if you were there or check we're all just went to the same high school year were fourteen and three quarters. Some of these flunkeys were nineteen why you putting them in the same general pop. I never I never got that part. But okay. To between the seventh graders and even the eighth graders. Especially the new ones that come in from sixth grade compared to the eighth graders Cuban boys. What do you got for food at the lunch place because my we actually have really good food. Spoiled. I think they get fresh salads that are made everyday fresh sandwiches breads that's made every day there. But. Yes. How what is what we had with like first off the thing about like the ice cream scooper is if it's going into ice cream. It's the greatest thing ever if it's going into spaghetti. It's still worse day got damn life. It's going savory the F going beans or spaghetti chopped up spaghetti. We were like. I even have taken in waffles are. Our our our our hamburgers were gray. The meal was gray. The hotdogs were weird like ever the pizza with square off. Nick, weird crumbly meat on it. Like, everything was institutionalized and everything was bad aspirin on a huge. Right. That I won't say the place that we gotta take Pete that it's the liver to us every day. And we cook it there. Laura east. So what what did you do you? I teach cook them cut him. And then I do speed lying. So that's I get the kids in and out quickly. Your pizza or stupid football fields shape that we have to eat. It is the shape of slice of pizza. They slice the pizza pizza shape. What what kind of toppings? Are we talking about? What options? Do we cheese or pepperoni? We try to veggie pizza and surprisingly that did not. When you order pizzas, you get one cheese. One pepperoni one veggie. Like, you do pot stickers. You always get veggie tried a couple of weeks. Why don't fucking likes it on their goddamn pizza? Like could we put the word out? I think we'd like we liked the idea of liking veggie ever. No one actually wants menu pizza and cheese pizza is essentially just veggie. It's not it's not you can be vegan or you can be vegetarian, and you can still have yourself a slice of cheese pizza with which is fair sarin vegetarian. Right. All right. So. Also, I do make us. So I'll do that on the side of my little side hustles no makeup artist to and and I. Eleven year old twin vote as I'm busy curled, man. Is there man in your life? What happened to him? We are going through divorce. So yeah, it's up to years now, but war still going, but it's so back out on the dating. It's interesting. Little revenge checks. Maybe 'cause the eighteen fighter jock might not be excited and got bumped. But if he got gonna say, that's all different situa- landing. Right. Sure. When you're out there, you you work in any of those dating apps or anything because I feel like lunch ladies something you'd want to keep a little close to the paper vast your though, isn't as altruistic. Don't like it. They don't have to date me to make healthy lunches for kids, essentially, a caterer in what you're doing. I don't know. I feel I feel like we have a vision of our head. That is not what we're looking for sloppy. Do I sent a picture in? I don't know if they sent me over the picture v. I haven't seen it. I think I was like the normal lunch lady. I don't know. Why don't we give yourself a job because guys eggs? Here's a job. You're ready. Instead of lunch lady because Brian is working an angle, we're looking at angle dark hair blue eyes to work at an angle. Brian's angles are different Mark. And the angle of like, well, you're helping kids nutritionally. We don't care about that date. I will tell you what anyone who wants to know online dating. You tell them you work for the Seagram's corporation, and you hand out a lot of samples that f one races in IndyCar racing. Like you are in charge of walking through the hot pit cleaning out coda music festivals. For Seagram's Yoko work and you'll oftentimes handing out samples of something. That's a hot Jack, Jack good. That's I'm sure most guys would rather hear that. They would then lunch lady. Now, here's the thing, Catherine. I like you and I like to trying to heal the kid one slice at America time. But we did have a guy who is coming from the the Cindy San Diego area to see the shows f18 fighter jock. So I'm trying to think of why we should bump him him. Who's given so much sacrifice it as country. They both served to. Yes, I'm fine. And I got a smile Farren. Stay. Also in terms of my wiring. I got a lot more to talk about with the fighter jock. Then the chick that hands out the food about the audience. Twins boy, girl, whether you guys angel boys. Oh, you said it. Yeah. All right. I'll tell you what Katherine right. I don't fly f eighteenth. But I drive past buying their full of baseball kids, usually too. So sports and make stage. Yeah, I could do make back stage mica break. Let him watch piano. Eat some some veggies powder already. I can do up. So you don't get sweaty on states. Under delights, Catherine come out, and at some point, we'll bring you have you stand up and while acknowledging we'll we'll say hi to you. But I you were scooped by fighter pilot. I got fair. Fair is fair. All right. Let's see. Oh, we have a clip we kept playing those clips that they CHP guy who made the mistake of coming up on stage with me. And then he ended up getting roasted which is kind of I've more fertile soil for me to us for right? We have a clip from cobb's San Francisco, I think this time I got onto the subject of once. I write you up for over eighty five. What what would then happen because they like to do that thing where they go. You were going this fast. But I'm going to write you up for this fast. Because if I write you up for over this cut strived. Yeah. A whole bunch of bad things. So well. We'll give it a listen. He pulled someone over. But how this was just the other day one fourteen one fourteen fucking news here driving staff. What do you do? Now. One fourteen and one of my favorite move, my favorite move. If you be doing this every day that you go up. I could write you up for one fourteen. But if I did you'd be but fucked for the rest of your life. Yeah. I mean, if I anything over eighty five we impound your car, we strip you naked and. Officer at Duke McLean, who's man of color Colt. Your wife in front of you. That to her eighty. For eighty five Cochoni. Let me get the understand cards today. Anything over eighty five and. They move even devil's island peppy on was and he's staked doing and hill do cover with hunting. So that's over eighty five. So and then the guy's all sake off if you please give me puck at eighty five. Yeah. You have to go to school for seven thousand years. Over eighty five. You lose your shirts. You lose your job. You lose your ability to cheap. Erection. Any five right? You for eighty five. So what is that number? What's the badger? If you wrote this guy for one fourteen you wrote it at one fourteen and do show him show him. You've got to show them the radar right? That was actually lied art of line art. Yeah. What the fuck is. Lighters. Like you talk to your wife, even cheating on me. I have not bullshit. Fucking light. Install night. Lyda are better radar. I guess acronyms. A lot must be to how it is. That's right. I I have I have a radar detector must work on lighter. Sonars? Oh, that's right. I always make it around. All right. Take a quick break. Come back. I'll tell you my drunken story right after this. Lows knows you'll do spring right by saving on what you need to get your lawn and garden and shape. We do it right to with deals to help you save every day like four bags of premium mulch now for just ten dollars and buy one one and a half cubic foot bag of miracle throw vegetable and herb garden soil, get Bonnie basics plan for free whatever's on your spring to do list, do it right for less. Start with Lowe's. Offers valid through five one while supplies last. Offer valid on select eleven point eight ounce pox ballot in store only. See store for details. US only excludes Alaska Hawaii. Biden becomes number twenty in crowded field. 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