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"zoe lister jones" Discussed on I Weigh with Jameela Jamil

I Weigh with Jameela Jamil

03:32 min | 1 year ago

"zoe lister jones" Discussed on I Weigh with Jameela Jamil

"To just become a bit of a twisted off when you're in pain you know and so i It's so nice to also find out that someone really admire his nice to you in. Like sort of two-minute drips even never know someone's really like it's been so i- opening to get to know you feel the same way and i'm so grateful to have gotten to know you this much more because i've always felt the same way of like every time i see you. I'm like laura of her. Funniest thing is that you and i realized yesterday. We've had each other's number for threes this whole time. We've just been sort of tiptoeing near dm once every six months the fucking phone number. We've seen each other emoji. That's that's big shit shit. We send each other big package. we were taking. We were taking big ships on each other's stores worst responding within minutes. It was a great. It's well how much time ways that we shall. we shall remedy. Wait and before you go. I have to ask. What do you weigh this one. So tough talker everyone. It's tough everyone. Can i say something like kindness. You ever you everyone okay. Well you can wear your favorite sex to it. I don't care just has to a know. It can be the deepest the lee steep thing in the world you know. I have a lot of favorite sex toys. But i will say yeah like i i would hope to look back and say like that back. I was worth my weight in kindness. Us love lane been very kind today. And hopefully i will see you soon. I'm going to a media. I thank you. Thank you so much for listening to this week's episode i with meal is produced in research by myself djamil erin finnegan and kimmy gregory it is edited by andrew carson and the beautiful music. You're hearing now is made by my boyfriend. James blake if you haven't already please rate review and subscribe to the show. It's a great way to show your support. We also have a bonus series exclusively on stitcher premium called ostrom Anything check out. You can get a free month's stitcher premium by going stitcher dot com ford's premium and using the promo code. Iway lastly over. I way we would love to hear from you and share way at the end of this book cost. You can leave us a voicemail at one eight one eight six six zero five five four three or email us. What you way at highway podcast at gmail.com..

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"zoe lister jones" Discussed on I Weigh with Jameela Jamil

I Weigh with Jameela Jamil

06:41 min | 1 year ago

"zoe lister jones" Discussed on I Weigh with Jameela Jamil

"But she was like no. You should do it. Because i think she understood that it was something that i love to do. I just i was very pragmatic. I don't think. I wanted to avoid just like our financial circumstances. We were always broke and emotional circumstances where they were always heartbroken so much the so much the so much more rejection there is accepted an industry like this in any kind of pursue any kind of passion of art. Same of sports yeah But plenty of things with something mains the well to you the whatever that may be maybe biology but this more space for your heart to be broken and so i i wanted I come from a whole family of people who really wanted to be performance. Anyone didn't wow but But you know so. I you know very reticent very reticent to get into this and just kind of how to look at it as a camera qualified how fun. How fun see what i can get away with. See how much. I can tell you with me when i leave. Like an and the bigger disaster is in the. I humiliate myself the funnier. That story will be at the pop with my friends. And so that's been my survival. That's a good way of. I would love a little bit of that. I'd like i'd like to borrow some of that for me. I guess i didn't. I think i'm a person hyper productive person And i think that's probably how i That's my my protective mechanism to like. Make things finish things. Get things out to the world. That i don't have to there's heartache. No matter what. I'm going to ask you about that because i've never i've never made something out to the world. Everything i do is fairly low. Risk can and i think for me like comedy. Even the companies hard comedy is my safes. You're pudding fully packaged. You're like a musician. Making an album is a proper body of work. Yeah so what's the emotional journey fat. Like when you put that out in the world and you take that risk and i don't know always mixed results for everyone no matter how big they are yeah. It's heroin it's just it's there's no there's just no way for your heart not broken a thousand times along the way and i. It's happened every time. I don't have children but i my friends who have children talk about like after the first labour they're like i'm never fucking doing that again. That was insane and then like a year later. They forgotten are like we should get pregnant again. You know and that's what it feels like every time because it is. It's pretty brutal. And i think sharing it is so vulnerable from across every stage of the process. Like sharing a script that you've written is so vulnerable because forever forever screenwriter there. There's going to be personal infusions but for me especially like i really do just like i use my my screenplays ways to process sort of deepest existential queries. So so that's really vulnerable and then and then making it and released into the world. Is you know it's it's hard because for many reasons but critics can be very cruel and and because it's not as good as the incredible include and and so and all of that and so all of that is just even just like the first film called breaking upwards and no producer wanted to make it and so that we made it gorilla style out of sheer necessity and then opened a lot of doors but but then a lot of successors even band aid which was my debut which was fairly successful for an indie film. Nobody wanted to make it. I sent that script to everyone. Nobody wanted to again. So then i just went and decided to make it on my own and so like every seven way even things that might look like successes. In retrospect there's so much rejection and there's just so much heartache and it's always learning how to navigate or like toe. The line of learning from that rejection would also like also defying the keepers. And saying okay well like rather than just going like okay. Well this one this one. They didn't like someone shelve it. I was like this when they didn't like i'm going to make it like i love that. I think that's so important is especially important for it for women to do that. Yeah i think that's like when we're never told the we're allowed to do that. We are now to learn. When i love it when i hear of someone who. Just who defy that that it's not just an invoice. it's it's an. It's the voice the loudest voice voices one of. Don't try again. Yeah oh don't do this. You'll embarrass yourself and shunning. That embarrassment shame is a big thing for you on us. Yeah did you say shame and embarrassment to the big. I think i've heard you say that before. Someone chamber like mine is guilt and fair. I have no shame. Yes oh no. I would say. Shame and guilt or embarrassment. Feel like they're sort of shame and guilt or are yeah. I would say their mind driving factors but then to go to go against that that shea and do anyways so i also just i love the things you or thinking signing the show much vulnerability and this also unusual. I also was band-aid. Wasn't that way you hired like an all female crew. Yeah which i think is such a cool thing to be. And i would love to know what experience was like and the experience was so earth shattering. It was amazing. It exceeded all of my expectations. In many ways. They're multifactorial in terms. Of why i decided to hire all women on that film but i think one of the reasons was because it was director debut and i witnessed women behind. The camera be treated differently..

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"zoe lister jones" Discussed on I Weigh with Jameela Jamil

I Weigh with Jameela Jamil

06:32 min | 1 year ago

"zoe lister jones" Discussed on I Weigh with Jameela Jamil

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You've yourself made have you. Do you always want to be a filmmaker when my mom is a video artist tournaments ardell israel. Shout out because i don't think she's ever gotten him recognition. She deserves brilliant so. I was raised in a household in which i was witnessing i was a. She's exposing me to a lot of incredible filmmaking but also by by many people but also. I was watching her really like delve into that intersection of like personal and political in her work. That i think really inspired me from a young age. But i didn't know specifically that. I wanted to be a filmmaker through actually a while like i. I didn't even know. I wanted to be an actor. I think i knew i wanted to write. Because that always felt like a lifeline for me out of the sort of sludge of my depression anxiety but but then i got a scholarship to to tisch dramas scored nyu and so. I ended up going to acting school. And then from there. I when i met darryl. We started making films together but he was always the director. So i was like. I guess it's a loose turnover. Filmmaker is but we were co writing. And i was producing was starring but he was the director and it took me. I think until y'all like my early thirties. To really feel that. I could be a director too and i think it is a testament in many ways to that same like lesson. I wanted to teach my younger self of like you don't that. I think i felt that. I needed to be perfect. Which i think is a barrier to entry for a lot of women in in many industries that you meet me like i felt like i needed to know so much more before i could start then. You're never going to know all the things and meet the man and realize how much discredit them into you. Realize how much of them just making apas. They go along absolutely. I've met some of the the creators of the biggest franchises in the world. And they're ready just like me break down with them you know. How did you come up with this today. Oh i i what's happening duck. Oh shit you're just and this isn't this isn't a new compensation we've seen statistics based on like how many men will go up. The women don't even go up and those men are are less qualified on the women who don't even try so. I think it's definitely a definitely a thing. But i'm thrilled that you're now at the kind of you know. Yeah at the helm of this and with people that you trust and with people. Who gave you that space to do that. I think that's pretty cool thing. But i but i also know that. That's incredibly brave. Especially considering the fact that you know i'd read the you've grown up with with two autism parents who as you reference like one fully realized that talent and so sometimes that can drive people have people. I know in my life who has driven them forward to be like. I'm gonna succeed apps for me. But for my. Yeah some people just become terrified because they see the heartache that comes with not being acknowledged for the thing that you've poured your heart and soul and yeah especially something as meaningful as what your mother was making. Yeah yeah and my dad. Bill jones shutout is also an amazing artist. And i think i witnessed that heartache. That you just mentioned just so consistently throughout my childhood How did you have become the fed. Well my mom encouraged me to go to drama school. Because i was like. I should not do that because that sounds like you know it sounds like i'm just i will. It will be a life of pain. Which i wasn't wrong but.

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"zoe lister jones" Discussed on I Weigh with Jameela Jamil

I Weigh with Jameela Jamil

08:15 min | 1 year ago

"zoe lister jones" Discussed on I Weigh with Jameela Jamil

"That's so that's so interesting. How far back the we going. Oh let's go all the way back. Like i wanna go. I go high school and that's a long list. It's is we only have one day now. I'd go to go to college. I'd start start with college. There's too many people right. I think yeah. I i'm going. I'm going all the way back. I'm going by do you. do you still again. None of my business but do you still have any kind of restrictive eating practices now. Oh yeah major. Major major major. So what are you eating last ever. I think it would be similar bagels. Ate pancakes out big. I love a hall of french toast. We're going. I love going to the deli together. Sex we are. we really are no i. I don't eat gluten or dairy or soy or corn. There's i have so many things because like my. My gut is so fricking sensitive. And of course those things are confusing. What work where that becomes. Also you control control and sort of eating from one hundred percent. The thing is i'll let myself you know like all smoke a joint and then i'll be like let's party but then my stomach hurts so much and then i'm like that sucks. Is it worth it. You know This is sort of my struggle. Generally speaking you like sort of seeking to find a way out of the psychological aspect of that that kind of journey if you will kind of body. Yeah i would love. I would love a way out. And i think when the patterns are so old as you know it's like a it's a difficult thing to shift gears on especially because there's so much like around stuff that that is confirmed by like doctors in terms of like you have sneak sensitivities to these things like they will make you feel crummy totally and i never want to de-legitimize though because i certainly have a lot of sensitivity myself for allergies down straight out of but i also know that some of these things are so again like fully ought not just our industry fill our woodley's leisure media has very much so democratized but i also feel as though restrictions are again hyphen normalized. In a way that i think is fantastic. Because we've really given people with allergies fucking out tell you. I've been one of those people who everyone just sort of rolling arise. When i tell them. I have an allergy to. And they think i'm doing it. It's trendy if anyone's ever had fun relating what was essentially just like sort of butted back in the nineties. You can't even have lots you know. I have been. I had the first twelve years of my life to just pass out. And not know why whilst enjoying god predominantly i was eating a like an entire day. Yeah large as well. Poppy seed of it and then just painting constantly explains a bit more about estimates anyway And and with your mental health journey. Do you feel as though the film helped you process any of the that you had been struggling with is also time capsule of any. Have you found any recovery in the last year and a half or is it more. The everything's just stop and kind of still sifting through. No i have found some recovery for sure and i think. The film was a really important way for me to process a lot of the things that i was that came into sharper focus. I think in all over the last year and a half and there was like a scene in the film with my younger self and is played by. Kelly speen amazing. She's so great. Yes so fucking great in the where you know like she talks like remember when this all started like when life didn't feel worth living and i think it is like that thing for anyone who's had suicidal allegations or has attempted suicide or any of those things are sort of just has a airs towards despondency. I think those conversations with one's younger self are really important. When did those feelings really start to kick up. And how do we talk to that person because when you're young they can feel even more overwhelming but then that young person who so overwhelmed is still traveling with us every day on these journeys so it was. It was incredibly cathartic. I mean it's obviously a life long journey but But yeah i do feel that. I'm i wanna pass is. Is there a particular thing that you want your younger self to know like having done all this investigation. Is there like a thing. You most want to grab skinhead. So he listed jones avenue and antenna. Gosh you know. Like i g- asks that don't have to be perfect to be worthy of love which is sort of a cliche but i think that's kind of what it all boils down to. It's like well i. I don't think she would have been able to know that. That twenty years from then she would be able to the middle of a pandemic wrangle. All of these beloved people not just beloved personally had beloved by everyone who would come out in the middle of a global pandemic and take a risk. Even though it's a small risk to just be in a thing that you made. I mean you you wrote this film and co directed it star in it and and you have all of these people in your life and everyone. I know you're so beloved. Anyone that i may not so not so nice. It's so nice to hear your kind of journey. Because i think a lot of us have gone through times. Well maybe someone right now is still going through that time. I messages like this all the time in my dm's Especially when i bring on like a therapist onto the show someone saying that you know what i am. He's not just teenage the people in their twenties saying that you know i've lost all friends and my ever going to have friends again or i've never really had great friendships. Do you think that's going to be some. If me there's people who just so at the edge of like a level of loneliness or they can cope moon and i i just wanna reach through my phone and grabbed them and tell them. I felt that way so many times in my life and the right people come along. I think when you have the right attitude towards yourself blaming anyone for their circumstance do you think that's all said i could bake undertone of your film is the most rate however many relationships trying to fix this film. It's the one with yourself that just like it just keeps coming back. Yeah and i think that. That's a really important allegory. I guess for everyone. And and it's nice to hear of someone feeding so other is in their family and in their community and In school growing up to being able to to have this sort of happy surround. Even if even if you're not perfectly happy all the time. Do you know what i mean even if these markers on texts me back yeah i know within five minutes. Thank you for saying that it's Yeah i think it is. It's so easy to feel along an alienated in in those feelings and it is so helpful. And i'm so grateful again you for using your plan to talk about all of these issues because It's so helpful. You know to just know that like so many people most people are struggling with. I know it's not alone in their loan. Yeah it's this oddly. Like completely formative and bonding thing that we can relate to yeah totally supreme levels of especially in the last year and a half i think so many people reckon with that you are not alone and we.

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"zoe lister jones" Discussed on I Weigh with Jameela Jamil

I Weigh with Jameela Jamil

07:12 min | 1 year ago

"zoe lister jones" Discussed on I Weigh with Jameela Jamil

"Authorized at school. Yeah yeah i-. I shaved my head when i was eleven and i hadn't gone through puberty yet so i was really androgynous and i was constantly mis gendered and that was right when i started a new school. I was in public school for seventh and eighth grade. Even though my mom couldn't afford it she Astra frontal route to put me in a private school just for those two years because it felt like She thought that's where i get the best education. And so i went to this sort of tony. Private school with this shaved head and i was just like targeted just every day and it was awful. I really wanted to not be there but my friends were a lot. Were like as i mentioned to three years older. And they run this cool public high school in brooklyn and so i ended up like escaping after two years of torture and i spent most of my time with them but But yeah at that point. I was getting like both an interesting amount of like negative attention and positive attention because kids my age. Give me a lot of negative tension but older kids. That i was really cool so i had this like This sort of dichotomy. These two worlds. That i was living in but at that point. Yeah i was. It's funny to hear this. Just because like i i look at your Your instagram more. Than i can't admit non getting up when looking your you often like kind of post throwbacks. Life like in the last year and a half. I don't know if it's because been going back through vote by seen a bunch. And i kept on thinking and imagining what i because we'll do this. We'll project but we're imagine someone's life is like and you look so cool in all the fucking everything. Looks like a nevada video already. She had the best fucking time wanted she funny and bubbly so funny to hear you talk and within ten minutes just recognize. It's so easy to project idea of someone else's i don't know like success popularity or success it being total or like i was. I was thinking this light today. Where i project like that. Everyone is more well adjusted than me. Just like oh. That person has figured out. I think all do it and childhood is such a. Yeah like i'm always really interested in people's childhoods. Because i i always think about like i didn't have a boyfriend ever until i was in college and i felt really invisible and like kind of repulsive in many ways because i i was this. This like Weirdo you know. And i think about people who did have boyfriends in high school who they could have like Who who they explored intimacy with way might have felt safe and like how that impacts their relationship to intimacy adult. It's like one of the second i see. A person wonder what their religion into what kind of relationships they had and not just like straight relationships but girls having girlfriends and having those expirations brings everything. I'm terrified of goals. In a way that i'm kind of slowly but surely starting to get better with Pasta point to the age of thirty. You know but that's how traumatized by was by secondary school and all of my pool in many many childhood bullying story also I had my kids at twenty one. So i feel you so ask so. It made me It i had a similar feeling. Of like maya and by the way lots of people who listen to this. Podcast are sort of getting into their thirties. And they have not yet unity and they write in about and i just want everyone to not feel alone in this I hated myself. The whole time leading up to But but then actually came to it. I felt glad that i had waited that long. That the person at least. I got lucky enough to kiss for the first time was much more experienced than me and a friend. Someone i'd chosen and ready trusted and so you know. Hopefully that'll be everyone else's experience if these are things you haven't done yet. Yeah what was your sort of college experience. Like with that because this build up. Because it's been fucking long and everyone's like seven years ahead of you such build up. I mean i had a really I think because. I felt so much again like an outsider especially in terms of like where i should be In terms of sexual intimacy ensure you had those same anxieties of like. I'm going to look like such a fool. Read gave me a copy of the fourth year old virgin. So i mean it wasn't just like in my head your main. Yeah i didn't have like before. I got a boyfriend i was. I think i was. I was trying to catch up in a way that was not safe. And i think definitely amplified some intimacy issues and trust issues. And i think. I just was looking like i felt that sex should be transactional dislike. Could kind of get it over with and And so then yeah. There wasn't like a safe space to explore really And i also just like generally you know. Fam- attracted to withholding people were kind of book. Same way more in common than i i. I was so bad being around people that i found attractive. When i was younger that i would panic and if i ever was invited to a house party would normally happen via some sort of error. Where in relief to the school no one ever specifically with you must be but i would panic and i would give myself jobs at the parties. So i would like to clean up crew within cleanup crew by myself so chrome or i would find a trash bag or anything. I could be taking a empty cups on plate during the way until just torturing around Giving my cleaning up after everyone like cleaning up anything. I like puke. I think one time cleaned horrifying and then another big one to go to was co check is just like that is a level of side. I won't ever come back from when people make fun of me on the internet. I'm always like you don't even like you think i'm pathetic university helping out. I was like this is not making fun of me. It's like you don't even know me listen for you. You can't possibly in comas out. Is i think i would start a coat. Check.

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"zoe lister jones" Discussed on WTF with Marc Maron Podcast

WTF with Marc Maron Podcast

07:59 min | 1 year ago

"zoe lister jones" Discussed on WTF with Marc Maron Podcast

"I say that was Homeys no. I do love whitney. She's actually do. She's amazing and i had been even though i was like you know still young i had been auditioning for so long and couldn't fucking catch a break in the tv world. And she gave me that break. And i'm so grateful to her Like i bought my first house because of whitney. So that's where was that i. It's where i still live whitney. It was really funny. I went in and auditioned for her. And i sat down and she said why. Aren't you famous. And i was like i don't know how to answer that question And then she really you know she fought and it takes people fighting for you. Sure industry to get shit and you know before that was glazer glazer so i was already show. Yeah it has a real cult. Following doesn't still yeah. I love the to john's john. Benjamin jon glaser. Yeah too funny. Specific and So set in their ways. Yes that's a good way of saying that I feel bad talking shit about the craft legacy because it is. You know it's like it's a thing. This is the thing you didn't though i know but i did. I did kind of well. you haven't even seen it. I mean. I think it's like such the film after breaking upwards was a fox searchlight movie that i made together that was critically like not well reviewed. Yeah starring greta gerwig and Which one was a is called lola verses and it's funny like we've had this discussion of when people ask about it. My first instinct is to go Yeah like don't watch it. You know even though right i. I'm proud of it in many ways. The self protective mechanism that comes in to go like you're going to look at the rotten tomatoes score and then you're going to judge me also like fuck rotten tomatoes but you know it's weird about me. I don't even look at it. You don't know. I don't know what the fuck people were looking at. I don't know where people find the time. I don't like i like i is. I don't check anything. If somebody i respect says you gotta watch this. I'm like all right. I'll check it out or this looks interesting. i don't go to. This is the problem. is that now. The rotten tomatoes score is on the i tunes when you press so just when you pull it up even if you're not seeking it out attention to well that makes me feel better anyway. The craft. I think it did well. Otherwise the critics you know they had problems with the third act which is like fine thirty x hard hard. What are you gonna do. It's an amazing cast. It's an amazing cast of like incredible young women and i. It's i think it's an important story to tell so. That was something that was easier in the seventies. the third act. Yeah just don't end didn't have one guy just go off on the bus. Once antidepressants came into town sky. They were people wanna closure. They wanted button. Yeah so the new movie let's Let's figure that out. I the reason i liked. It was because i you know when i looked you up. What is this person. does this person. Yeah like what did she do right. and then i'm like gosh. She's one of those knows all the cool kid. Like i could tell the movie and i know that guy. Yeah she called him too wasn't it yeah so Like the reason. I like it is kind of like the conceit of it is what it is but it's sort of like this weird. Is it an art film. Decided i think you. Did you decide that. Yeah like you know bonafide. It's like Like it's not you're not a poetry peace. thanks yeah I think because like the development process on the craft was like so intense. It was really nice to like. I don't know open up. I don't know the process to like allow for it to be whatever it to be more fluid and poetic your guess. Because i didn't have to be hitting like and then the climax happens and then and then i mean that's about it. Yeah it was so funny. Because i i'm thinking like man. She really did this on a budget. And you know. I i guess the only expense stopping traffic but it turns out there was no traffic. Yeah all they paid for was to have people at the end of the streets. Yeah no but was the middle of the no. We had a crew of three people. There was nobody stopped stopped. There's just no cars around. Yeah i mean we would hold for like a scattered few cars. Helen hunt about it. Oh yeah she's the best mir she is. Yeah no it was amazing. I mean and that was like part of. I think our intention and making it was sort of like serve as a time capsule for this totally surreal moment on the streets of l. a. That it looks. It was so apocalyptic you know inherently that we're like let's get out there and shoot it. And also i found it to be like one of those movies. Where like it's like the journey of it like you. The you know that that there's a someone else's used an asteroid hanging in the sky really exactly like you're asteroid. We mean in a movie. Yup noah series. Really yup. Joseph gordon levitt and mr coleman the new series. He's a good. Yeah yeah it's but it's not it's his it's a manifestation of his anxiety but it looks like the same effect really the exact so well and then like adam mckay. His new movie. I think is also. I don't know if it's an asteroid but something's going to hit the earth. I guess we all it's funny. It's like we made breaking upwards and then like katie katie. Aselton made a movie about an open religion. There are a bunch of like open relationship movies. I feel like it's funny like there's something that happens in the i don't know either collective unconscious annoying. Yeah i don't know why that is it makes you wonder about things you know what i mean. Let's go incidence. is it going on. We all part of one mind. I i should say the name of the movie. How it ends is what we're talking about currently on the podcast so but but like each point Like how did you when he scripted. The ideas like you had a time that the world was going to end and everyone knew it and this was the day of. Yeah i mean. I think the intention was like i was. I think we're both obviously as the world was trying to process what the fuck was going on With the pandemic and with quarantine and being like trapped but it was this. Like i think the dichotomy of being in this apocalyptic like nightmare but also being sweatpants and watching netflix. Every day was so like wild you know. And so. I liked the idea. We hadn't seen like an apocalyptic comedy that wasn't like mayhem violence like that saturday. So good Similar title right. What is it called which is satan and everyone. Yeah yeah but it's like it's mad out And so this was like what what like. There was a certain point. I mean we're sort of still at where we were just like resigned to this new normal would and also it's interesting how this culture comforts itself. Yeah now just sort of like you know. Brad and And watching he were baking just so why. Just love that like as that started to wear off like everybody was sort of excited. Glow we're gonna do things during the three months there. I give me. I don't wanna fucking even look at my children. Bread is going to stop this from. Yeah it was so grateful not to have children in the pandemic. oh my god journey of those people..

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"zoe lister jones" Discussed on WTF with Marc Maron Podcast

WTF with Marc Maron Podcast

07:09 min | 1 year ago

"zoe lister jones" Discussed on WTF with Marc Maron Podcast

"I know they have do we though. I mean sometimes you the only way i can rap or you don't go you know what i mean i. I don't think so when you see who your friends are you know. We don't know what's going on with them very well and i will say like the p- the interesting because like the breakup that i witnessed happening which is like what always happens. But when when like couples break up who you've been like double dating with or you at least like look at from afar as they've got it figured out it's always it's good. It's a good lesson the nobody has figured out. If you really look at what they haven't who reich. Sam and you know if you with comics if i if i judge myself against a more successful comic i look at their fans like i can walk down the hall in the comedy store and you know i love bill burr. He's a friend of mine. Were different in the way we approach it and he was doing some main room shows and like i'll get chelsea him because he's huge and i have my audience and i do fine. Make a living. But there's these guys that are really huge. Bill burr more famous than you. Yeah yeah. I mean as comedy sells more tickets. Yeah so so. It's probably more famous. It's all trying their more famous than him if that makes any different wise appreciate yeah. Yeah but so. I walked down the hall and i look in the main room. Where he's running his our and i just look at the front row stage right know and i see dude. They're might. I don't want that dude. I got nothing for that. Yeah got nothing for them. Yeah and like. I would not have talked to him. I could be polite and maybe sort of like you know. Are you in line yet. But that's right that goes are you in line. That's the depth of the connection. Yeah so. I don't know if that's helpful but consider who you're jealous and you want their right. I mean yeah so you fill burs life. But there's a mother's dna like you know he's he's having some revelations office very nice. So when do you start doing things. Well i went to nyu. I graduated Acting which is where. I met my my ex husband who i will just say. We are still best friends and collaborators and we made this movie they made together and he's an you've made it. I made a number movies and that was really my start was that we started making movies. Together kevin more you sure know after after. Nyu entered into an open relationship right away two years into our relationship but we were young we met like twenty okay okay and so and then our first film was about our open relationship. It's called breaking upwards and We basically played versions of ourselves telling that story And then that like opened a lot of doors for us so then we went on to make like a number of other features together the band one well the band so darryl and i made three features narrative features together and then i went onto his name for the people. Daryl wein director extraordinaire said. Go on about you okay. Fine i went on to direct my first teacher because he directed all those films co wrote them and kobe them and in them and so band-aid was my direct. Royal debut which was with. Yeah holly arniston. And that was my like coming out. Party mandate as a director. And i hired a crew made up entirely women which was also really Cool and fun and that's the right thing to do. Yeah it was amazing because it it was. It was an amazing social experiment and artistic experiment. How how do how was it. Received it what it. What did it bring to you It was received very well. It premiered at sundance in competition. Which was really exciting. So i got. That was a bucket list thing to play the eagles theater sundance cool and And then yeah it opened. It opened a lot of doors. So then i went on to direct my second feature which was a remake of the craft. Which is that nine. yeah Yeah and you'd be why that day came to me and asked if i wanted to pitch on it and You know it's like feminist horror basically and I did want to pitch on it because it was like a pretty seminal like cult film in my coming of age So then i pitch on it. I got the gig. And i wrote it. Directed hidden went and made that it was you. You know how that do not as well. What do you think i'm wrong. I think band. I made entirely independently and And that was a studio picture. Which i think is always just a more difficult process. It's like there's a lot of cooks in the kitchen and And i and i think because i was like servicing legacy like of the craft which i like you know there are a lot of a lot of. It's so funny. Because like you know in the world of directors wanting to you know sort of carrying the burden of honoring the legacy. That one's kinda you know you never win. Yeah but it'd be like usually it's because i don't want you make something you know like the other. One was such a masterpiece right and but for the craft. I mean that was the thing there was room is really going to judge you right. Ashara fan it has the worst fully nerds in their lives. Did they come after you know. you know. i think. Listen this as a screenwriter. No that was. That was my only brag. That that's what i call myself a screenwriter. I feel like the third act is just. It's so fucking hard to get right. And i think that that's where the movie struggled was its third act and and i'm incredibly proud of it like i. I still think it's a really special movie But yeah like. I don't know any director who's ever like happy with like entirely happy with their film. Because it's always just being ripped from you in the edit like and this one was particularly wild like i. I was told that it was coming out like a month before it. It came out. So i had to finish it really fucking quickly because they wanted to get it out for halloween during the pandemic But they'll what's good is something like that. I would imagine like doesn't really stick to you. Yeah and then. I think it was helpful. That i went and made i think i think like it was great because i got to make like a studio movie and as a woman that's also like not a thing that happened. We'll make more. Yeah so that was really cool. Think i hope so. Yeah do you. Because i know lynn liked you. Know her experience with Student movies was sort of. Like i'm never doing some money together..

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"zoe lister jones" Discussed on WTF with Marc Maron Podcast

WTF with Marc Maron Podcast

07:14 min | 1 year ago

"zoe lister jones" Discussed on WTF with Marc Maron Podcast

"When i watch richard lewis. I'm still right. I mean i love him and but and i know it's an act to a degree though he does He is in the moment. But it's sort of like nothing's resolved but have you resolved anything a few things. Yeah i in toy spin out over a mole thing. It's like it's never it's never resolved. It's just an endless cycle of panic but yet but i'm older dread no big deal. I mean i find that like. I'm not a depressive. Do not know. Oh wow you yeah. Of course. Come on for real. Yeah that surprises. You know it doesn't surprise me. i just i questioned. I questioned too easy. It's like a humble brag. Yes you're listening to the lady with a problem. So interesting massage didn't work but you're gonna polarity. I think the polarity one's gonna fix it. Yeah everything yeah you're gonna you're gonna walk and walk out of their protestant. She's going to rub that right out of me. Yeah yeah go worked at all cried a little bit not even hungry No because i found. I find that dread anxiety right yeah panic when taken to its logical Highest pitch just becomes something like depression you i. There's an overwhelming that happened. Yes and then you get shut down right so but i think that's anxiety depression so you think i've i've been misdiagnosed. Let's call who's the doctor. Yeah no well. I think i have. I have a com- like a combo platter of like anxiety. Overwhelm and depression. There's also despair and despair. Despair can come from anxiety. Because you're like well it's all wrong. Yeah but despair is reasonable share until world without to spare yourselves right or religious right or or spiritual which has its own problems. But i think despairs is rational and you just have to manage it. Yeah it's just if you can like i struggled in quarantine has so many people did but like climbing climbing out of the muck spare. Well yeah but it was like but at a certain point you made a movie during it. Which i thought was a good movie. That's why i'm talking. I wouldn't talk to you. I think i would be like who is that you know. Yeah so you grew up with this like you know with the with the video with the editing editing. Yeah she got sister. No brother no well. I have two half sisters who are in canada. But i was raised as an only child in new york. So they're my dad's previous marriage. Oh he's canadian to know but he he is he left. He left the states because he was in the army and then he got called to vietnam and he went to canada draft dodger. No he was a deserter because he was in the better deserter so he actually he had a crazy stages his wife yes but he wanted to be an artist so he like asked to be stationed in new york because he thought that he could be an artist. Wall being in the military california And then he His job was to go like knock on people's doors and tell them that their husbands or brothers or sons were dead so his. It was brutal brutal. Yeah and so. I mean it saved his life but he had a pretty traumatic experience in the army. He's sitting he stay. He's sitting at a army building. Your base in the city. And they're sort of like here's the list today and then he'd have to go all over new york knocking on the doors and he'd got punched in the face. Got guns drawn on them. He got to accept. Yeah yeah and he's an orphan. So i mean talk about like an orphan. Yeah like his. Both his parents died by the time he was fourteen so like then also be delivering that news to people. It's just a wild sort of im- white trimmed grief. So it wasn't combat. He was running from. It was the daily on onslaught of death announcements. Well no he ran from the combat because then he got called to go to vietnam. How long did he stay in canada. He stayed there for came back to york. Like seventy seven or seventy eight. So when is your mom. Come into the picture. They met in vancouver in syria. Yeah and She came into the picture. I had the other two kids. Yeah so he had yeah and then she moved to new york and he moved with her and is he still underground so we do have to vet this. No he's not underground he'd been as you've been Vindicated or what's a word or via pro. Well so carter pardoned all the draft dodgers But he didn't pardon. The deserters and mom likes to believe that it was her she wrote a letter and was like. You're going to the people who didn't even serve part in the people who served and then he did. I don't think it was my mom's letter did it. But we can sure let's say that was and is that Is captured on video. Art piece not never made a story about his he wrote screenplay about it. That i think got option in the seventies but then nothing ever came of it. Sounds like a good seventies movie. Yeah like he just walks around telling people their family members are dead and then He he just it. The end is just him. You know getting off the plane in canada. Yeah and then. that's it. Yeah yeah it. Rights itself in nineteen seventy two. Yeah yeah that would. That would have been a studio movie in ninety two. Yeah but yet so then they met and so he's like conceptual photographer so he did. A lot of like photo grams and shit. You know what that is. Maybe it's like like projecting light through lenses onto photographic paper rather than like snap and shoot projecting. Right i get it so wake abstract. Yeah oh okay. So it's not it's not like I get it so it's not. It's just sort of an extension of white when you kind of like put a comb and a an pliers and and some other thing that's a piece of photographic paper and then you exposed for a second and then you develop in your look a man ray excite so. It's different than that similar technique. Yeah color he did. He used some colored paper he also..

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"zoe lister jones" Discussed on Work in Progress with Sophia Bush

Work in Progress with Sophia Bush

02:29 min | 1 year ago

"zoe lister jones" Discussed on Work in Progress with Sophia Bush

"Is there someone or something. That's currently inspiring. You do well. They were on your podcast but may martin it just it. It hit me in so many places. I feel i told may i said i. I literally feel like you opened my head and routed around through all the boxes in my brain that i have ever. Let's see the light of day. What it how have you represented. What sort of awkward strangeness the strangeness of the human experience. Not sure where you go. Yeah they're just the greatest the greatest unlike obviously as a writer performer direct. Like all the things that may does. But also i think the way that feel good like navigates tone is something that i'm always so inspired by because my favorite pieces of art are ones that can go really deep and dark and then in a moment's notice be broad and mike jake like a wild swing at comedy and i think that that does that so well and and i just felt so moved and so transformed at the end of each of those seasons of that have i felt really moved and really seen. Yeah weird late when you feel recognized by something. That has nothing to do with you i. That's really the power of of really good art. And what i'm realizing is that really. The the point of having this whole conversation today is to establish the three of us need to make movie. I mean obviously can we do it. Please thousand percent we all work on zoom everyday anyway. We could write a movie on them. Oh hell yeah okay. Great okay great. Oh i'm ecstatic specific goal. That's been set. And i love it and and a goal that also speaking to the purity of our impulses all at the same time i love it. When you think it's really easy. I think for folks like us creative people. Whether they're filmmakers writers are or even just curious people to look forward to set goals. Do you have the capacity or or the practice of looking back and.

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"zoe lister jones" Discussed on Work in Progress with Sophia Bush

Work in Progress with Sophia Bush

05:17 min | 1 year ago

"zoe lister jones" Discussed on Work in Progress with Sophia Bush

"Light that we now can sort of see at the end of the tunnel was so not a part of any of our realities. So i think to be creating in that sort of vacuum was he had so emotional while and i think to your point there's so much emotion and that's why comedy works such a great vehicle for panic and i. I'm sure there's folks at home who are gonna have to see this movie. I wanna process the last year. And i would love to do it with a laugh instead of cry. How how can people find how it ends. Where can they watch it. Okay thank you for a platform to say this. They can watch it on items or amazon prime or bazeley on demand everywhere It's also in select theaters across the country. But yet there's a number of options. So i do hope that your your listeners check it out yeah i have a hundred. Well love it as much as everyone who has seen it does. I wonder you're one of those people who i look at. And i'm like i wish i had an eighth the self-discipline like oh please. No we all have those things right. And you know i'm like reading random. Social science reports about stats like granted fascinating. But i'm like. I wish i'd made a movie in quarantine like what what i do this year and i really wonder. Do you feel that you feel ownership of the depth of your creativity or are you like most of us you know with like your brain on a hamster wheel thinking about what you have to do next. Will i fall. You did so much in quarantine. I look at you and i'm like how is she doing. All of this outfielder no. Yes but just for their. Yes but i mean you know just your workers as activists outside of your work as an artist is just so inspiring to me and i just wanna say that. I am just in awe of of your disciplined in that in that realm and the amount that you give and show up and the amount of shit you take for it. I just so deeply am inspired by you but yes i think. I'm always on the hamster wheel to answer your question. It's really hard to celebrate accomplishments. And i try to pause to do that. But there's also like with each accomplishment. And i'm sure you experienced this to a momentum then feels like the stakes are so high that you need to jump on it right away or everything goes away. So there's a lot of like anxiety all the time about how to elevate the next thing and how to output more. And so i think i still struggle with that a lot because output is also as. I've said many times in this conversation like it's also an incredibly important tool for me. Personally i can also really like where myself down. So it's that difficult. Combination of like artistry and rest. That i do not understand. Yeah hard to setting specific goals..

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"zoe lister jones" Discussed on Work in Progress with Sophia Bush

Work in Progress with Sophia Bush

04:00 min | 1 year ago

"zoe lister jones" Discussed on Work in Progress with Sophia Bush

"And he said he came and sat in on me directing them and he said what have you twisted her titty at the end and these things kept happening. And i think instead of taking it to anybody you know as a nineteen year old or whatever. I just did that thing that i've learned to do that. We still learn to do which is just like show kind of shut down and guard yourself against that person. But i think that when i lose respect for a person in that way i think it's palpable. I think that dynamic than does put a spotlight on the one that they choose of. Oh you know. I wanted then take this person down or abused them are better. Know whatever but i do think like what you're talking about in terms of the complexity of abusive dynamics isn't talked about enough like because i've been on sets where a guy has grabbed my ass and as an outspoken feminist. I don't have the words. Do show up for myself in that moment. I just sort of get really quiet. And then that person will stay on that set. And i'll have a relationship with them. I mean not a you know what i mean like in terms of like there will be forgiveness. I will move on from it will i. I never spoke of it to that person again. And that person is a kind person i mean and has a big heart and that person contains multitudes right like where it. Isn't this just like really strict. Like abuser abused evil. Victim like it's a person that then you can grow to or before you know have genuine affection for and i remember saying something about that person and someone said well. He's from a different time. And i said i promise you. In that time women didn't like having their asses grabbed either but the excuses. That even i make you because i think i think we want to make excuses in order to i guess. Lessen the blow of the self-intimidation that would come from saying that actually did happen..

"zoe lister jones" Discussed on Work in Progress with Sophia Bush

Work in Progress with Sophia Bush

04:55 min | 1 year ago

"zoe lister jones" Discussed on Work in Progress with Sophia Bush

"Even though i was like the Artistic director of our sketch comedy like grew than i had perfect attendance. And i wrote all these things and he was what i found out later. He he would sort of choose a girl. Every year that he would do this to that he would Basically writer really abusive End of year review. And then try to fail. Yeah it was an interesting. It was interesting. I was finding my voice and also coming up against a man authority figure and a founding company member there who really wanted to take my voice away and to show me that he said things in that review that were like You'll never work in this industry in like really damaging things to a young person and i ended up taking it. I also never told the story publicly. But i ended ended up taking it to the dean because i was on a merit scholarships so i might grades. I had all a.'s. So it was like for this person to come and also threatened that for me based on nothing logical. I went and You know made him change my grade but it was really interesting and traumatic experience in which. I saw a glimpse of what might be to come. You know as a woman storyteller. And i've never experienced anything as abusive since. Thank thank god but i think that only drove me to prove him wrong and to say no i i will write a screenplay. I won't let you diminish what i'm trying to explore here and then sadly the next era of female student came to me is that it's happening to me. Did the school ever do anything about it. No makes me so angry. Yeah especially when everyone knows clear ammo. I'm consistently shocked by that. I worked for someone once who upon first meeting. I just thought so excited. I'm so lucky. This is going to great and i was actually pulled. Aside as the project got underway By someone on the crew an older woman. I'm on say what department in case for whatever ever makes it back to the person who i'm talking about his name i also won't say and she just she said i gotta warn you. He breaks women and and she started regaling me with these tales of women. Who'd worked for him before and literally pulled up photos you know. Everything's on the phone and and like google them by year and you watch these women. I mean physically wasting away coming so anorexic. And i was like oh this feels like a lot and you've worked with for song and she said yep and like runs a great crew good boss but when you are the woman. You're the one he'll break. And i was like man..

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"zoe lister jones" Discussed on Work in Progress with Sophia Bush

Work in Progress with Sophia Bush

04:16 min | 1 year ago

"zoe lister jones" Discussed on Work in Progress with Sophia Bush

"Video artist and so i was raised like in a household which there was already a lot of storytelling and her work has always dealt with identity politics. And i think the personal on the political intersect and stuff. So i was very fortunate to be raised in a household where those seams were being explored and i knew that that could also be a career. Even though i witnessed my mom and my dad who is a conceptual photographer. I witnessed. How much heartache. Also came with being an artist and so i think i i was really afraid of becoming an artist because i felt that it was like cellular really apart like a necessity for me in terms of my expression but i also did not want to struggle in the ways that i saw. My parents journal both financially and emotionally. I was also very shy. Which was also confusing for people because a shy person generally doesn't like shave their head and wear wilder lows. But i was really shy. And i was afraid of my mom. Put me in acting classes to help me. Combat my shyness and then like it wasn't too later in high school that i actually like really started auditioning for plays because i was so nervous to do so and then like on a whim. I edition for tisch us acting school. I had done some plays. But like the idea that i would put all my eggs into. That basket wasn't really necessarily a part of my plan. I really loved writing. And i thought that i wanted to study that more intensely and just go to like a liberal arts college that wasn't so specialized but then i got a scholarship to tisch and my mom was like you have to go and it was that like total reversal. Because i was like. Should i be like a lawyer or something. I like go do something. That is steady and stable and that can give me a life that i didn't have growing up and it was..

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"zoe lister jones" Discussed on Work in Progress with Sophia Bush

Work in Progress with Sophia Bush

04:37 min | 1 year ago

"zoe lister jones" Discussed on Work in Progress with Sophia Bush

"I think i thought i was going to be invisible. And instead it made me hyper visible. You know it's really interesting and you don't know the ways that you'll be visible until you experience it. Yeah i i think about it kind of the same lens of any public notoriety. It can be quite traumatic and people will say well you signed up for it and you can't sign up for something you don't know. Yeah you know. And i i find that really interesting that in a way to give yourself both freedom and some protection you were inadvertently also made a target. Yeah yeah totally. And it was such a confusing moment. 'cause i think yeah. I just started this new school and so it. It's also you're already paid like in seventh grade when everyone was so cruel. But i had put this like total other. Target on and yeah. I think it's interesting. I mean in the last year. Obviously we've all had so much more time to like self reflect and to in many ways being conversation with our inner children. Which is you know what this new movie is about. But yeah that time. My life has come up a lot for me in the last year because i think it was that in invisibility visibility. Ven diagram is still one. That i i struggle with a lot and there's there is something so interesting about the strange ways in which as women were often put in these spaces that aren't of our own choosing figuring out how to have a semblance of control or steak your identity. Yeah there is so much tied to hair. Yeah and it's really interesting. I've been talking about it the the gals that i did my first show with an i have talked a lot about our experiences at twenty one with older men telling us what we couldn't couldn't do with our hair at work felt so strange and and i think I'll never forget. I read something her however everybody you know feels about her. It's like i'm always scared to name. I don't know why people go so crazy. I read something really. Poignant that gwyneth paltrow set other died. And i i remember reading the article about how close they were shocked about how she had long long hair for forever and that the grieving process when her dad died was so brutal for her and she realized it cut her.

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"zoe lister jones" Discussed on Work in Progress with Sophia Bush

Work in Progress with Sophia Bush

02:41 min | 1 year ago

"zoe lister jones" Discussed on Work in Progress with Sophia Bush

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"zoe lister jones" Discussed on Happy Sad Confused

Happy Sad Confused

07:04 min | 1 year ago

"zoe lister jones" Discussed on Happy Sad Confused

"Ben and jody and the whole team on that one. I'm very psyched for it. Congratulations man on this one. You and tom mccarthy it took a while. But i'm glad you got there. Everybody should check out stillwater. It's a fantastic piece of work. And i'm glad we have you back home new york where you belong. You bet man zero. We are often the races with the only bigger fan than timothy xiaomei than. I probably the talented zoe. Lister jones is zoe. I how are you. I'm doing all right. It's so good to see a familiar face I feel like we've run into each other and bizarre random interesting places over the years now zoom box as well now the same box yeah. It's almost mainstream park city exactly exactly so. I moved to the important part of to michelle mine. I think he'd be watch a while back. But i'm trying to umbrella. You got a name. Shaq in he definitely gets a shoutout. I would say he does get a shoutout at most of my work and Also in most of my press. I hope that he is got the instagram follow. Are you getting any closer to real life. Friendship with teaming little tiny follows capital z zero. Was that on instagram. Yeah so. I don't feel burdened That's intentionally. I think that's why he did it just so that he could sort of level the playing field. There's nobody left out No i'm not. I'm not closer and i think the more that i Like proclaim my desire for him the further. I'm getting away a long life josh. We don't know we don't know we don't do june to may bomb and he might need all the friends again. We don't know how and out dune is not gonna bomb. No it's not. It looks so fucking good. And he's so good but yeah i mean I have faith mass. I might be able to get help you guys. Because i know him a bit to the point where i didn't know he doesn't follow anybody different but i have made it. You know how like when someone accepts like those messages to you. Even if they're not falling you're illegally. I have deemed with him. Because once i was at a words thing i literally. He literally left his credit card at the table. I was sitting with him. He deemed me for the credit card. And now we got the wink. We're in so so you're going to slide into the dmc warned me. That was the saddest thing over now. It's not it's it's happy and computers. They might not be sad. And so yeah. So i'm i'm so into this new dynamic where you are podcasters slash pam well. I started my career as a pimp. And now i've come full sir. Now's a return to form. Yeah yeah yeah. Let's put the good word out on your on your wonderful new film. A delightful apocalyptic comedy comedy. It's a narrow genre but you're nailing it and you're in the top tier how it ends is the film and this is one of the few happy things that we can point out and say well look something. Good came out of the madness of the last eighteen months. Now thanks man so so. Was there any john. Abyss that existed in any form before twenty twenty. Like did you drawn any ideas or was this just like i need to make something but sir scratch. What am i thinking. What am i feeling No i mean. Daryl wein i conceived of it Pretty early on in quarantine. so we weren't. It wasn't like an idea that was rattling around pre lockdown. But i would say like on a more macro and spiritual tip. These ideas have been rattling around for a long time You know this sort of like concept of the inner child i think is something that my therapists been hot on for a minute With me so. I think like you know that came into much sharper. Focus as did so many things when we were trapped With only ourselves and i think I have always relied on my work as like for better or for worse when the only way not a process these deeply existential questions so yeah it felt just like very necessary even though it was also super terrifying to take on an independent film at the height of a global pandemic and one that was like really like teensy. I mean we were really like returning as you reach as you are about to return to your pimp routes i was really returning to like guerrilla filmmaking route so we had a crew for people and so two days right like i mean it goes right from your biggest work. Obviously becoming on directing the crafting your leg to zoya jones spectrum. So so what we will was that week like when you're in production where it's just sort of like all hands on deck and all it's all four hands on deck. This is well. Well we had we shot if think over the course of more like three weeks but it was sporadic based on people's schedules. So that was actually quite nice to able to shoot something. Watch it see. What what else. We needed And then go in with with. I think a little more acuity when we were when we were Then returning to to set which was mostly just people's backyard i But yeah it was. It was a really nice shift to go from the craft to how it ends. I think it was obviously such an incredible opportunity to be working on a studio film in that capacity as a writer director. Mvp but But there's something about like distilling the experience to just it's like sort of purist elements and having so few other voices to contend with and to just like the immediacy about experience is so important To to like return to to remind yourself of like Yeah just like the beauty of the like. This sounds sort of trite and corny but like the beauty of the process over the product. Or the you know the commercialization of the product or any of those those voices that can come into play like this journey of how it ends with so condensed. It was like we wrote it. We shot it. We edited Premiered at sundance. It was all so fast and it was so nice to not like over. Think and in just like.

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"We would watch pactel's after packed house coming out wiping tears off their face and we were like fuck. That could have been us. You know what i mean. That should have been us. That was us. You know what i mean. We didn't get. I think there's garth brooks song. Is there somebody where he talks about. I thank god for my unanswered prayers. Right right because we wouldn't have written goodwill hunting like we. We ended up writing out of necessity goodwill hunting. And guess what robin williams was in. There was a better plan. You just didn't want to control control with it as it so so you never know i mean life is crazy and and you know you just gotta keep trying to do good work and and you know i mean had i had i done avatar. It's like my favorite john kuczynski story. When we were writing promise together. And i told john i passed on ten percent of ad avatar. John jumped up and he starts walking around the kitchen. And he's like okay. Okay okay okay. Okay because nothing in your life would different nothing matt. Nothing in your life would be different if you had done avatar. Except you and i would be having this conversation in space. I would as yeah. That's it and then the guys who actually have that money actually launched themselves in giant. Today's penises like space rockets penis rockets. In fucking go to space. You can't write this shit though you can coming full circle. Yes tom mccarthy Came back to you. Thanks thankfully with the right role and the right project This is fascinating when i it makes sense. Tom's work if you look at it because it kind of combines the different elements. He's done it completes his like displaced men box set which i feel like it's like the visitor and station agent but it also has this like amazing kind of procedural thriller kind of aspect of spotlight and i think that's what makes it work. What makes it endlessly. Fascinating is kind of keeps kind of just keeps you on your toes but i would also imagine. That's the fear is like. Can we blend all this together. As character study and this thriller all gonna blend together as a writer as a creator going in. This is all gonna kinda gel. i mean. they're if you're really literal about things and you need to and you need to put it in genre. I mean and i think in america. That's definitely more the case with credits like we need to. I know what is this. What what are you showing me right now. You know what i mean. What's the comp. Give me wasn't what they think studios think right leg and and that's kind of the way we talk about the film business in this country but for me it's like all right. It's about this character are you. Are you going to go on the ride with him if you buy what. I'm doing than just get on the bus and go and the movie takes you to really surprising places. And and and and like yeah. I mean you're just you. You can't predict. Thomas said to me making like i defy you moviegoer to tell me where this movie is gonna take you. You know when you sit down because you because it does it it does look like a very pat you know. It does look like a like a movie. We've seen before with the setup right. You'd goes well okay. This is telling me a really traditional thing that american movies. Tell me like i'm about to sit down for an awesome liam niessen movie yet. I mean like and the lane restriction or for that matter same kind of like like those characters like you know they have a particular set of skills. You know what i mean. They're going to and this guy doesn't have any vacuum. He doesn't speak the language he doesn't understand the culture that he's he's trying to navigate. He doesn't know what's going on. He's lost he doesn't know what's going on for most of the movie. He doesn't understand what's happening around him. And and that's a that's a very human story with very traditional setup right and so and so that that throat. I think that's gonna throw people. It's thrown some people you know. Because they go they go well. You can't do this and it's like well. No we're we're taking this setup and we're but we're playing it real. We're getting these this. These are real people. This is a guy who's carrying a lot of pain and grief and and regret and shame you know about his own failures as a man and as a father and he's china air the damage that he's done with his daughter and he's still making mistakes and like that's the movie it's radha. No i mean the thriller version of this like i mean. I love the risks. Like the that. Tom and you take in that like you kind of skipped like the first act. That would be in another right. Throw away the like the conventional version of this is like the foreseen fugitives. Where like the the the murder happens. And you're trying to figure it out but you don't even know the immigrants taken place for twenty minutes. It's kind of crazy. Yeah you pick it up. Midstream like you like when when people talk about the amanda knox story which you know. This is like loosely. Kind of used off. Liz jumping point kind of like jumping off point like what. Tom was interested in was like what happened to that family. Like five years later. Yeah like when everyone all the cameras all the sensationalism. Everything's gone away. Like how do those people live their lives. And and what. If one of them was a roughneck from oklahoma from like this really specific lace and was this really specific thing like what you know and he had to interact with that like what is that life. Look like and so So that's so you're right like like the movies the first act kind of you know you feel almost like you're starting in the second act because they're in the Trying to live through this thing with the consequences of the choices that they made. I asked for some questions from from the listeners so this one is from mongolia who gets at some some of what we've been talking about. She wanted to know if you've ever experienced a situation of being a stranger and having deal with cultural differences. And what would you say about. Being an american in marseilles shot a lot of this in marseille. Of course yeah. I mean i constantly..

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