30 Burst results for "Zionism"
Tzipi Hotovely: Israels first female ambassador in the United Kingdom
"Of the battle. He's not just east rail. Your jewish we all need to fight together. And i think the fact that old people were arrested. I know that the british government and the british police been very active around. It is a good place to start but this is not the end we need. We need to do more in order to fight. Antisemitism and i know the jewish communities very much concerned because no one experienced anything like that in britain and we need to make sure that britain will be the free democratic country that it stands for its values and not a country where jews are afraid to go to school or go to synagogues or to look lectures should be hotter valley as israel's first female. Uk ambassador she was born in recovered in nineteen seventy eight. The daughter of soviet georgian emigrants ardent zionists as with previous ambassador gavin episode thirty. He one about social mobility in israel. The dynamism of the economy tragically. There's anti zionism among young jewish people across the west in the us and he two heads are being turned by media and peer pressure. And while seventy five percent of american jews support israel as a jewish state eighty. Five percents say it's important or very important to stand up for the oppressed or marginalized hundreds of jewish google employees rejected. What they call the conflict of israel with the jewish people overbearing anti-israel narrative makes bias out of balance palestinian. Ism chant along by half wit football. Whoa korie and tv celebrities and her excellency has a message for those in the diaspora who are less than supportive of the jewish state. The young generation in britain can sometimes be very critical but israel's policy in certain fields in areas. But i think that most israelis have their own opinions like as you know. We're we're a country that everyone can criticize the government But i think by criticizing policy. You cannot just go and not support israel. Supporting
Episode 112: The Start-Up State Meets The Start-Up Nation - burst 1
"Don't. We don't usually talk about era zona on this podcast but it's It sounds very interesting to me. And i really want to share what you've been doing with my listeners. So let me get to my First question would have been active in politics finance business israel advocacy name. A few of the hats. You've worn how all of that experience lead you to be. The founding director general of the arizona israel trade and investment office will of all. I just want to say thanks for having me on and more importantly i've been a fan of what you've been doing and in a way It's very similar in in many respects. Would you've been doing is building bridges between The united states and even beyond and israel maybe through taxes but beyond taxes. It's about relationships and people and you've been creating those connections For decades and this is very similar The viability and the future of our state in israel is going to be very much dependent upon term. i call economic zionism. Which almost the next wave of what's critical. Which is ensuring that. The state of israel and our economy has the sustainability and capacities and relationships with with partners and allies and friends around the world. And that's how we're going to ensure that israel's economic viability economic capacity is shared. And so that's why it's it's really important to build these kind of relationships if anything. The pandemic has shown us that when people can't get on a plane and they can't travel they can't make their own relationships having these kind of almost ambassadors or or relationship builders between entities and states is critical but the idea is is all the credit goes to the governor of arizona whose Who really turn the state around. Many people i hadn't heard of arizona as a place to do business they thought of arizona just like people hadn't heard of israel as a place to do business. They thought it was. The you know the the holy land and a great place of of spiritual significance but most people if you would ask them in the seventies and eighties wind up said israel's the place to do business but this country turned around the same thing happened in arizona. Thanks to governor ducey which is in a way he refers to the state of arizona as the startup state and israel the startup nation. So the idea that there are two states who share an understanding of the importance of of innovation and entrepreneurship It's really a natural natural relationship. So he he really wanted to set up this trade office and there's only one other country in the world where arizona has a trade office which is mexico which is its largest trading partner. And so the idea to build a bridge between the state of arizona in the state of israel His with these state with with the assistance. Of course of sandra watson. Who's the ceo of the arizona commerce authority who's the leading economic development engine. And so there's been. Arizona has has emerged as one of the tech centers And that's starting to hit the wires everywhere. And if you look if you just do a quick google. It's the fastest growing population in across america. maricopa county in arizona. Is the fastest growing county across america from both the population sampling and also from an economic standpoint and so people are recognizing whether they're coming in from california and fleeing the the heavy burden of regulations and taxes Or whether they're coming from other
"zionism" Discussed on Intelligence Squared U.S. Debates
"Thank you peter. Beinart the new anti semitism. That's our resolution here to make her statement in support of the resolution former member the israeli parliament and not wealth. I never wanted to stand here. And i never wanted to believe that anti zionism mr new anti-semitism because what zionism was supposed to do was to cure the world of this ancient hatred. Hertzel believed what he was told that the day that the jews will no longer be guests among the nations when they will be in their own home masters of their fate. The hatred will disappear to agree to that is a devastating idea for me because as zionist. I want to believe that it's about what we do. Rather than who we are and for so long. That is what i followed. And this is what. I've promoted in israel. We should do this. We should be better on that. We should give this. And i did not see that ancient hatred disappear became stronger and stronger and every time. I said. Take another pound of flesh. I'll give this. I'll give up. That is it okay. Now and a one point. I had to take a step back and say you are asking for nothing less than all of it just like the jews in poland. Who were told. No no no. It's not anti-semitism it's not. It's only anti zionism and many at the end committed suicide because they realized nothing less was demanded of them. So i'm here to say i'm done and we are done. Being righteous falls. We are not going to give in everything just to pacify some idea but it doesn't mean that we can't be better. I want you to leave here tonight and think that there has to be a way for jews to fight for a better and more equal america to fight for palestinian rights. Dignity without saying that the price of that is for the jews to lose their own franker..
"zionism" Discussed on Intelligence Squared U.S. Debates
"Wanna sustain that permanently and for those for those think that it is dangerous for jews to live with a qua- inequality with palestinians. I want us point out that there are also profound dangers. Profound dangerous to jews living alongside fifty percent of the fellow people between the river and the who have no rights. How is that gonna land. And i'm going to say that concludes round to others intelligence squared. Us debate sorry where our resolution is. Anti zionism is the new anti semitism. And now we move onto closing remarks and here to make his closing statement in support of the resolution. Brad stevens columnist for the new york times. And you would stand up for that in one thousand nine forty seven a little girl. Her mother walked into a grocery store. In milano italy which had recently been under nazi occupation. And is the mother went to pay for the groceries. The woman behind the counter said. Why don't you go back to where you came from. Now that woman had been born in vilna grownup in moscow had fled the bolsheviks had her father executed moved to berlin and then in one thousand nine thirty three had to flee germany once again. They had come to italy before the race loss only to discover that italy had become another place in to jews. They spent the year the war years in hiding from the gestapo not far away in one thousand nine hundred forty seven. The doors to the united states were closed for that in one thousand nine hundred forty seven. They could not go back to germany. They could not go back to russia and there was not an israel for them to go back to thankfully that changed now. Things are changing for us. Jews here in the united states will we be where germany or france or britain are in a generation. We may well be and we're going to want perhaps a place to go back to. I ask those of you in this room. Who are not jewish to think a little empathetic about that historic dilemma. When you say that anti zionism is not a form of anti semitism when you begin the legitimation of the destruction of a jewish state. You are closing the door to jews to their safety. Don't do that. Vote for the resolution..
"zionism" Discussed on Intelligence Squared U.S. Debates
"Palestinian rights will take away jewish rights. An arab state means jewish minority. I hear fear. I wonder when palestinians are fearful is their self defense antisemitic is palestinian if palestinians fight for a state of their own. Of course not if they fight for the jewish people not to have their state. Then it's different. The question is what are they fighting for. I just want to say that. I feel like a little bit with all due respect bread and are living in la land. They keep talking about some mythical palestinian state. It's going to emerge. I have been screaming at the top of my lungs for years and years that the policies of this israeli government are destroying the possibility of palestinian state. And now it's virtually. The last nail is in the ground. Annexation is on the horizon. The building is happening e one. So what's used as this mythical vision of yes. We could support palestinian one day in some state that is being destroyed as each has almost no chance of being realised now is used as justification for the present one st reality in which millions of palestinians live with fewer rights than an african in mississippi in the nineteen fifties not even citizens of the state in which they live. And that's the position that's considered the non bigoted position to consider the position that you wanna sustain that permanently and for those for those think that it is dangerous for jews to live with a qua- inequality with palestinians..
"zionism" Discussed on Intelligence Squared U.S. Debates
"What's going on. We are halfway through the opening round of this intelligence squared us. I'm john donvan. We have four debaters. Two teams of two arguing it out over this resolution. Anti zionism is the new anti semitism. You've heard the first two opening statements now onto the third. Please welcome in wilf former member of the israeli parliament latest. I'm here and i'm sure many you are here because it's not about a theoretical debate. This topic has real life consequences for real. People considered a historical possibility that anti zionism as indeed the new anti semitism. We're saying that what's going to happen. One day in america is what happened in other places where after world war two were. Anti-semitism was thoroughly and horribly discredited. Anti zionism became the mask and the soviet union. When they said we're only anti-stalinist not anti semite. We know how it ended in poland into sixties. When they had their campaign of not anti-semites only anti-zionist ended with the jews being expelled and many committing suicide vilified and couldn't take it. We know how it ended in the arab world where a million jews were expelled for anti zionism not anti-semitism. It is a devastating thought to think that this might come to america but consider the other possibility. What if anti zionism is not the new anti semitism. What are you saying then. That anti zionism is okay. It's fine let me tell you something about my sign him. What zionism has given me. Zionism is the reason. That as a jew i can walk with my head held up high secure in the knowledge that i have a home. They have the space where. I am safe where someone has my back. I am secure in the knowledge that we can have a vibrant crazy debate. Where all we do pretty much is criticism of israel. We do so much of it. I think we've turned it into an export industry. Zionism has enabled criticism of israel. It send the knowledge that i no longer have to ask other people to decide whether my people live or die because i have power to defend myself real power not in the hands of others that we have to be finally able to decide for ourselves. This is what zionism has given me. And when i listen to the notion that anti zionism is growing. And it is what i feel in my stomach is dread i want you to consider the real world implications of anti zionism. Are you telling me that for there to be rights for palestinians my liberty. My dignity have to go away. Are you telling me that for jews to fight for a better america. They have to say that sign. A is a legitimate. I want to appeal to you to think that there must be another way a way that maintains the liberty and dignity of jews in israel of jews in america and around the world a way that enables and maintains the dignity of palestinians that allowed us to fight for better america and does not ask that the price of that be the jews give up what is so dear to them and what has made it possible for them to stand tall..
"zionism" Discussed on Intelligence Squared U.S. Debates
"Great to be here. Thanks peter and let's meet your teammate. Latest another welcome yousef munayyer welcome political analyst euro writer. You're the executive director of the us campaign for palestinian rights. It is great to have you on our stage and intelligence squared. Thanks very much john. Thank you team arguing against the resolution. Anti zionism the new antisemitism. Now let's move onto our debate. We go in three rounds. The first round opening statements here to make his opening statement in support of the resolution. Is new york times columnist. Brad stevens. Ladies and gentlemen welcome brad stevens. I want to begin by clearing up a few points so we don't waste your time debating them. I when we say anti zionism we do not mean criticism of israel not only criticism of israel not anti-zionist. It is essential to zionism. If you think that israel's occupation of the west bank needs and right now i am not here to quarrel with you but anti zionism is it criticism of israel. It is a call whether by force or other means for israel's destruction. It's the difference between wanting your friend to be better or wanting your enemy to be gone second point tonight. You will likely hear our opponents. Make the case that there are anti zionists who cannot be called antisemites and they will say that there are anti-semites who are zionists. Both points are true. Among some very orthodox and very secular jews there are indeed few jews who don't believe there should be an israel similarly there are people who don't like jews and therefore think they should all go to israel but to say there are exceptions to a rule does not disprove the rule. The truth is for the overwhelming majority of jews. Zionism and the state of israel are central to our identity our security our history and our hopes for the future to insist that we be stripped of this would be as destructive to our rights as jews as repealing the nineteen th amendment to the constitution would be destructive to women's rights. If some of you in this some of you here in the audience think of yourself as anti-zionist. I am not here to call you a bigot. But i am here to tell you that you are deeply mistaken and that you are participating however unconsciously and unintentionally in an ideology that is usually an intent and always in effect antisemitic anti semitism is a shape shifting virus. Anti zionism is one strain of that. So how do we know. It's the same disease. One way we noticed this is that the tropes are so often the same for instance when israelis are accused of committing genocide in gaza. Were being greedy for other people's land. We hear an echo of ancient libels about jewish bloodlust and avarice or when israelis are being accused of being colonialists in israel despite an unbroken jewish presence in the land for over three thousand years we hear the lie about jews having no connection to the soil right now. India occupies kashmir. Morocco occupies western sahara. China occupies tibet occupies crimea when one claims that israel's occupation of the west bank means not only that it should get out of the west bank but also that it should not go on existing as a state while never making any similar claims about india. Morocco turkey china or russia than a discriminatory standard is being applied. Finally ask yourself if israel were to cease to exist. What realistically would be the ramifications. What would that mean not in theory but in practice for seven million jews living in israel would they be safe or countries in the west. Accept them with open arms. Despite this being an age of closing borders ladies and gentlemen all of us in this room the hatreds that led the jewish people to tragedy in the beginning of the twentieth. Century are stirring again. They are happening on the political right under one guise but no less dangerously on the left under the other now is the time to call out prejudices with dangerous real world consequences by their proper name this they infect us with their poison. That is why. I urge you to vote for the motion. That anti zionism is a new anti semitism and must be treated as such. Thank you very much. Thank you brad stevens. and that's the resolution. The anti zionism is a new anti semitism. Our next vader will be making his opening statement against the resolution. Welcome peter beinart author of the crisis. Designer peter beinart. The number of jews who oppose zionism is not marginal as bret suggests the sought markelle citizen held an anti zionist rally in two thousand seventeen of twenty thousand people. That's larger than apex. Annual conference two thirds of ultra orthodox jews in israel the fastest growing jewish population in both israel and the american jewish community reject zionism and the growing the number of progressive american. Jews who reject zionism is growing too. When you ask. American jews in paul's if the two state solution is dead would you prefer one state. In which millions of west bank palestinians lack basic rights or one equal state that is not a jewish state a majority of americans use favor the one equal option that is not a jewish state the anti zionist option if you vote yes on this resolution. You're calling those jews anti-semites and if you think this doesn't matter i would note that over the last two years. A jewish teacher has been fired and another forced to resign at new york high schools because they expressed anti zionist views in the name of fighting anti semitism. Jews are denied free speech and lose their jobs. Many non jewish anti zionists are anti aren't anti-semites. either. We have data on which americans hold antisemitic beliefs. The anti-defamation league periodically asks americans whether jews have too much power user dishonest in business studies. Show that the americans who hold these anti-semitic police are disproportionately older and poorly educated..
Bristol's Jewish students fight for their University's reputation
"Hi my name is. And i'm a final year english literature student at the university of bristol. And my spare time. I also freelance. And i've written articles for the telegraph the times the independent huffington post what is regional papers and i also am features editor of the top bristol So the last two years being jewish student has been quite hard at university of bristol as a result of elektra a sociology professor called professor dave Because in his class he teaches and matic conspiracy theories about jewish organizations. He has a lecture in his home against powerful module where he accuses zionism as being one of the five pillars phobia and he implies using this sort of weighed conspiratorial web that israel on british jewish organizations have a malign influence on british government. And sort of in that slide. He touches on a series of consoles tropes about jewish people and two years ago. My best friend nina freedman. Who was then president of bristol. Jason is now you diaz president-elect made a complaint against david miller on years later in the university still hasn't done anything about it and hasn't advised or supported jewish students in any way but the situation picked up again. I'm a week or two weeks ago. Because david millar appeared in a video where he said that zionism we must cool front end design. Ism were in. He touched on several of the anti semitic tropes of course it really is of course some people into target to join us at in relation to this community in particular done. This through interfaith were pretending that jesus was working together. We'll be an apolitical way of countries. Ism stylings though. It's is the horse for normalizing zionism in the community. I in islamic mosque for example where. The mosque unknowingly held this project of chicken soup with a together. This is really backed project to normalize is within the muslim community. And they're doing that time. During the attack on cobra on this sort of started a new upper on twitter and reaganite hit the movement to get david miller removed from bristol. University campus clinician nasty. Seeing jews everywhere even in loction soup made in mosques while bashing corbin the share arrogance of this man and in one glib soundbite he opposes generations and generations of jewish teaching centuries of daily prayers which users sites to return to. Zion is car us special envoy in combating antisemitism until january. Twenty twenty one. Sinus didn't start in nineteen forty eight zionism spring out of the first zionist cows. Zionism was born in russia. When god says to abraham go forth to a land that i will show you. Zionism reached its consummation in the exodus. When moses let the jewish people to the promised land and zionism found one of its clearest expression
The Age of Miracle and Wonder Women
"Come to the promised by gas. Brought to you on t. v. one the voice of the city where last week in honor of international human rights day. A huge pride flag was installed in a tubular seal frame atop a massive twelve meter or forty foot flagpole planted in a bit of concrete a ways beneath the soft warm sands of the most the lgbtq beach that divides the hilton from the c. Itai pincus arrived the alderman who holds what is referred to as the pride portfolio on the city. Council said quote. This flag will remind us that all human women and men are equal even if they need to fight for it tel aviv. Jaffa is one of the only cities in the world over which this flag will fly all year round and quote an argument. Nothing captures the spirit of this city. We love so well tel aviv. Feel better than craning back your head shielding your eyes against the sun with your hand and seeing flapping above you. The violet indigo green yellow orange and red stripes representing respectively spirit serenity nature sunlight healing and life and indicating that on these sands on these shores all are equal all are welcome and ideal that we never do meet but that we are always at the very least dedicated to fighting for with us in the studio is a woman who's lovely prose is forever a vehicle for spirit serenity nature sunlight healing and life. I refer of course to alison kaplan. Summer allison is written for politico. The new republic foreign policy that jerusalem posted jt the forward and many other very best papers and magazines. She is a columnist. With how are you have heard on. Npr pri and the bbc and you have seen her on. I twenty four television and aljazeera. Tv you can meet more though obviously not all of your marion hankering these days by listening to her host the arts weekly podcast alison also holds. A neighbor world tenor award for journalism recognizing. Excellence in the asper reported. Emmy simon rock our award for excellence and covering zionism alley in israel. Alison how are you doing. Oh you know. With the third lockdown being announced and fourth elections just spirit serenity and calm. That's that's true of us. All there was ever a time to join a cult at this time. Now i'm just going with the different stripes on this rightfully flag. I think that that we can go with those also with the stage just heard. His voice is a man who's recent contribution to offscreen magazine a journal of israeli film culture which was a joint interview about the newish. Borat movie begins with a single word. Wow naturally i referred to ohio dealt zubaydah. Ohio is a book reviewer. For arts aside from arts and offscreen you have also read ohio's fiction in granta. You probably have read him in the now. Sadly defunct must miss local newspaper ear for which he wrote i when he was fourteen between then and now he hosted a weekly show on halley tv on arts and culture in israel. He is admired for his genius. Love for his warm human decency and envy for his effortless cool. Oh had been too long been doing. It has been too long. I'm very happy to be back in the studio after my mid semester has posted the cutest photo of ohad is a young woman with the promise on my soul so little hair on my face migrated some people wrote in saying i always wondered what oh how to look like and you don't exactly look that way fourteen anymore. What he actually looks like i did. I did underneath when people are responding and saying that. I need to look my name is oh ephron i don't mean to boast but i just received another bottle of caffeine pills fortified with l. nin for quote unquote focused energy. And i have been popping those babies like tic tacs. And i don't mean to brag because that's not how i was brought up but as i get older and i swear this is true as i get older i become more and more. Judy garland every single day. This week we have three topics of non parallel importance. But first we have a matter that we're following with lord interests in great concern as part of an occasional series. We the promise. Podcast coolly considers the classic cohen. When is a friend and anemone. I was scrolling through headlines earlier this week at a news aggregation site called me. Zach live or live newsflash including these quote netanyahu colon blue and white reneged on agreement and dragged us to new elections and from tomorrow colon. Ten new vaccination centres serving all of the health cooperatives will open in the south and the north of our country and more than twenty arrests in demonstrations protesting the killing of a youth by police in the west bank and load colon injured three collided with a parked vehicle while riding his bicycle and tel aviv. Colon a youth hurt while playing with explosives and then this quote. A heartwarming discovery colon. The first anemone has been spotted in the reforest. The first nominee was spotted today by. Its sick lugosi. The j. nf forest ranger who works in the western negative in the same place a negative. Iris has bloomed as well as a tourist huck. Bit plant end quote just after. I saw this headline the new site wine at posted on facebook. A gorgeous close up of the anemone with the heading quote on our way to a red south. The first red anemone has blossomed in the berry forest smiley face emoji with big red hearts for is end quote from there. The item was picked up by all the papers including the online ultra-orthodox paper. Be ma where the reporter who usually covers the security and politics beat isaac gama is his name filed a story headlined report from reforest. The first anemone has appeared. See documentation of the blossoming which peace including two videos. As far as i can tell exclusive videos. One avai single red anemone in the middle of a large grass pasture. The other begins with a close up of four white irises. And then pans across an expanse of grass until it settles on what seems to be the same single read an emmy or colony as we call it in hebrew
Unpacking Israeli History
"Back in twenty seventeen, the New York Times published an article about Amadeo Garcia Garcia. The. Last Living Speaker of the top story. Once, spoken for centuries by thousands of members of an Amazon tribe Madeo, the sole survivor, and the last person on earth to know the language his tried which had lived uncontactable for centuries along Amazon River in Peru slowly died out due to the weapons diseases brought to them from intruders when Avodados brother passed away his last remaining relative the missionary asked Amodio how he felt. Adele responded in the broken Spanish that he had. The only way he had to communicate with outside world he said. It's now over for us. Why? Dale no longer has some to speak to and when you have no one else to speak to, you will lose your language. That's why was over for Amodio. Losing a language is like losing an identity, a culture history. I don't mean to sound over dramatic here but losing a language is really losing oneself. Looking back at the history of the Jewish people that Jews faced a very similar problem. And the reality today is that over the last one, hundred, fifty years, a modern miracle took place for almost two thousand years Hebrew the language of the Torah the Bible and so much Jewish literature you know the prayers was mostly reserved for the ritual. And now. Jews. Over the world's beekeeper, a language that was essentially dead as a spoken language. Something like this has never happened in history of language. The. Fact that the majority of Jews around the world speak Hebrew today is not something to take for granted. There are approximately fourteen point, seven, million Jews in the world and six point seven, million of them live in Israel where Hebrew is the national language. And many hundreds of thousands outside of Israel, speak language as well learning it in. Jewish. Day schools and summer camps or at home. Short. The Bible prayers and religious texts were written and read in Hebrew. Literally nobody spoke in daily life for like almost two thousand years. So How'd an almost extinct biblical language reemerge as spoken language in the span of only a few decades? Was Zionism that deserves the credit Certain. Figure named Elliot's Ben Yehuda. And what is it always obvious that Hebrew would be the national language of the Jewish state. Let's jump back in time to learn about the history of the Hebrew language details about the spoken language of Hebrew in ancient times are not perfect. Here's what we know. In the Bible the Jews otherwise as Hebrews spoken ancient Biblical version of. Biblical Hebrew was the spoken language of the Jews for over a thousand years. But one of the Romans destroyed the second Jewish Temple in seventy CE HEBREW AGAIN. To die. Out.
Coronavirus in the U.S. - What lessons can we learn from Israel?
"Rosenberg is a senior writer for tablet magazine. He's covered elections and multiple countries interviewed. White House officials taken on Cyber Nazis. He's also a regular speaker and commentator on contemporary anti-semitism both online and off but he's also got a softer side for the last five years. He's been composing an original album of chabad melodies. He joins us now from his home in New York where like the rest of us he sheltering in place. Yeah you're welcome to the people of the pod. Good to be here. So let's talk about the hard news. I we are sheltering in place. What lessons can we learn from Israel right now that we should perhaps be applying here in the United States that we aren't doing so now yeah I mean I think that in general if trump look to people who he sees as his sort of political kindred spirits and other countries she would learn a lot about what should be done you know? Britain is doing a complete full lockdown. They're enforcing it with the police Israel today as you know when it through a similar sort of situation where they're basically shuttering all of the non essential things and people have to stay inside and there's limits to how you can go out and all of that and this is draconian and it's hard but if you do it quickly and you do it for a certain period of time. Then you hopefully really mitigate the impact of the virus on your healthcare system and then it can be at manageable levels going forward and then we have time to develop all sorts of mitigation strategies. Stuff that trump wants right. Whether it's you know anti medications that we discover a ten health which we already have or working on a vaccine or figuring out which places in our country we can open. Because it's not as bad but all of these things ramping testing. You just need to buy yourself time to do those things. The stimulus package will help. Don't you think or no? Yeah and there are better and worse versus of a stimulus package. And that's what's congress debating but one of the ways you make sure that you can get through. A lockdown is by supporting businesses in the workers that are being forced by the government. And by this pathogen. Not through any fault of their own. It's not like the banks best over people and then suddenly find themselves in a bad situation. These are people who no fault of their own are getting messed over economically so you want the government to step in and tie them over during that time so that way. They can come back strong when ready to reopen the economy. So that makes sense. So how do you think that the differences of opinion about how to handle this are going to affect the upcoming elections? Do you think it will play a role at all? Oh I mean I have no idea you know this from covering Isreaeli politics but anyone who makes predictions about these things is asking to look like a fool in two months time. Who would have even thought that there would be a global pathogen destroying the global economy two months ago right the factors that were certain signs of it. But you know people didn't know how far it would go and so on and so forth and so I wouldn't say that. That's the deciding factor. I think that trump will obviously be judged on what happens with the vice now if the virus peters out because there are for example competing studies done by very good researchers in the United Kingdom. One of which most policy has been made on the Imperial College Study. Which shows that really suppress this virus? It's GONNA kill millions of people in various countries. Which is why policymakers have made such hard stone calls on these things. But there's another study that came out of Oxford more recently where they said. Actually we think the virus lot more contagious than people. Think and many more people haven't which means that just a Lotta people get an and nothing happens to them. And we know that they had it but also means that it will spread across the country pretty quickly quicker than we thought and a lot of people will be immune and the virus. Will Peter out on. Its own at least for a little bit until we get another wave. Immunity wears off right well to be sure. Asian Americans are suffering the brunt of the prejudice. The blame the cruelty out there having to do with the spread of the virus but there are also a fair share of conspiracy theories bubbling up out. There that no surprise. Blame the Jews. I'm curious what you've seen out there since you monitor this kind of stuff. What have you seen that maybe does surprise you or at least shocks you. And how do you control the spread of that virus? Yeah so you've got to sort of antisemitic. Responses to the virus. One of them is what I always called the goebbels gap which is the amount of time between something terrible happening in the world and someone got away to blame the Jews for it. So that's discussing. Which is that there are people out there. In the conspiracy fever swamps to talk about this being sort of most odd thing or you know Israel operated thing and also other conspiracy theories putting other shadowy actress. So that's out there. And then there's another brand. Which is the sort that just celebrates when Jews die from it and specifically Israelis under the cover that anti Zionism makes it okay to celebrate when random people die right and so you had people after his run out this first corona virus death on social media? This was actually not a small tiny people. It was a lot of people tweeting horrific nasty things like. Let's go when they you know. Israel HAS FIRST CORONA VIRUS DEATH. And of course it comes out of course that it's an eighty eight year old. I think he was. He was eighty years old. The Holocaust survivor. You know wonderful. Lovely amazing human being and a lot of those people ended up looking particularly that of course. If this person was a truck driver it would just as evil right tonight to celebrate that person's death simply because of their nationality right so that's another way that certain people have exposed themselves right in response to the corona virus. And so you know you see both of those things. They haven't been super prominent. I think that one of the things that occur rotavirus world does is that it's sort of overwhelms everything else. So it's one thing if there's a terrorist attack in France and it doesn't affect the vast majority of people in the entire world so there's lots of people around the world who as their pastime could speculate which sadly conspiracy or Jews were behind it. But when like you're actually being actively threatened by the virus you have other things on your mind. You don't have as much time to get into super conspiracy theorizing of course after disasters. That's when people start finding trying to find people to blame and the Jews are always on that list right so that's actually sometimes when you worry
"zionism" Discussed on Jonny Gould's Jewish State
"You have the question. Why and not for me was the interesting area. There are so many conflicts around the world last year. Forty two thousand people were killed in Afghanistan. Thing is that was late. Twenty eight or twenty nine and tenth of death tolls the most violent conflict. That's way down on the list. There were so many more complete with books such muster death host much gravy human rights violations. I mean I didn't believe Israel has human rights violations but the world obsesses of Israel. And you have to. You have to question why. And that's what I set out to try and challenges the challenge that narrative and the Red Green Alliance the whole shoe. I kinda done. Even I think the wills becoming silence more extreme polarize conspiracy theories slatted and with all of these you kind of normal people include whether it's a normal June homo Muslim and Christian ages to Metha- in the Senate ground of extremists over here making the most nuns and thinks he says that the empty vessel makes the most noise. When it's letting is truly is the case when with with these groups with these the the the really hot style anti Semitism designers I think most people don't care truth You speak the mets Muslims. Beat the message. People that the majority of people don't really have an opinion on Israel and if they do have an opinion tends to skew too negative in the UK. Seventeen percent of people have posted view. Israel thirty three percent of people have a negative view of Israel fifty percent view. It's element complain. Used through when it comes to it. Joseph some scenes live long in the memory. New Videos where he was surrounded by Extreme in ipod and you refused to back down holding Israeli flag you life is endangered. Anyone could have statue of the building you know it. It looked extremely dangerous. I'll give you a story which I think is so relevant to what you've just described my sincere. There's an individual who attends speakers corner who was connected to the London Bridge Territorial. There was video cola jihadis next all he featured in a video fighting alongside the one of the terrorists he also was arrested For involvement with the Sharia patrols of IV's Linda mosques and I debated with him a few times at speakers corner and we always go on relatively well considering of very polarized yet. You could never make up with him yet. Completely but debatable always respectful. I spoke unapologetically. Is Ju- design? Est and I tried to explain. Why consider the the the the Jewish of the Zionist physicians to him? These debates available people watch online. They've been worst by hundreds of thousands of people a few maybe two years ago. He left the comment underneath one of the videos. The bit means but he said just a puzzle a room hopefully remembering this correctly justifies mall while while Bara than the Muslims. We should try be more like him. He loves his people and so he should. And the reason I'm bringing this story is I think people respect proud Jews. People respect Jews. That say I'm proud to be Jewish. Aware keep our sits it. I'll wherever a jumper this Zion. His whatever you're visibly Jewish or no there's not I support Israel. We need to do this or we needed to die. Support Israel but people respect is that say. I'm Jewish and proud of being Jewish. I stunned by Israel was accept me for a while and in most of those situations I've been in. They've been safe because I think the People. I'm engaging with tend to respect me because I extend respect to them when it does get out of hand in a has been numerous ABC physical locations. It's usually the people that usually come to my defensive. Actually Muslims I'll give you an example. I was in very park area in Luton which is famous Giving Bethlen number of people who went onto join off the everything's say go reputation for extremism. I was hunting fliers promoting Israel Trying to engage in conversations and speak treating the length of the the majority complete not completely ordinary table treat them with respect handing out flies engaging with the person got really really violent. Who's ready fended? That there was a Jew handing out flyers from everything. Israel has in an average. He thought that Jews shouldn't be doing now. And got violent and a huge crowd of Muslims then came to my defense and that's been the story time and time again whenever someone has attacked me usually. There's a huge crowd. Usually in public places will then come to my defense and I think it because most people are inherently good irrespective of whether they keep Pabo three times zero times very nowadays here so again. It's this idea that the the good people being hijacked by the noisy band and speakers corner really in the last few years has been hijacked the very essence of free speech has been hijacked hasn't it by the Islamist. Suddenly that was look like a Muslim men. Her one day. And you're glad to pray dean the Royal Parks and it took the police quite some time to stop that from happening. So truthfully the praying in the pot his the list of the properties with the if the issue that people have biggest of the Christians. Muslims a friend. That doesn't really family. They're the issue. The real issue was speakers. Corner is it has become increasingly violent style so it used to be a place of free speech and what happened was people would go to debate and engage political levels religious levels But it was very respectful. What's happening in recent years is cameras came on and people started filming those debates and those debates would really viral videos were filmed with me as big as corner with hit seven hundred thousand eight hundred thousand million views and not attracted other people who wanted thoughts. Internet fame and it became much more goes a much about a much much more attracted people from a more extreme the fringes and it's become increasingly hostile increasingly violent last year. Those Berry Week went by where violence didn't break out So he is the same as it was but it's it's not just a Muslim. Problem is a problem of extremism of all types. Whether it's far-right far-left Islamic even vegans. You got you got people eating meat and the challenge to be. It's it's an absolute curse. The the iphone isn't it the the smartphone video because it's making Voi- is out of normal policemen for example. Danzig of the Notting Hill Carnival. I think that is a prime example. Where a policeman completely lose their heads and start dancing with the locals anyway. Arguing alongside yet another Zionist Titan. David Collier outside POW Expo with Deepak Raj poor which became increasingly hostile and he ended up calling both of you names and it was about property rights private property in the end it. Israel if you're going in front of a call and he killed twenty people the only child who the one murder most of the time one is enough to be convicted and you have been convicted in my eyes for accusing somebody already seventy s which was an absolute but she was investigated by the police on on whose orders say that US. Now tell the police what to yes. They do absolutely and absolutely you other problems. Jus I've a lot of influence. These fifty seven dollar by dollar okay. It's an organization Japanese read. Do you want to know where those laws are? The fact that there's a stall of David on these righty flag. That's one of the laws. What about the UK and the courses on their flag? Does that does that. My an apartheid state the fact that the Jews celebrate. Moshe going David you know the definition of an apartheid. Say You would you see and up your thought. Would you recognize an appetizer and apartheid? If you sat on your face you set they will reach the seven dollars. And he can only resort to one thing which she's eight after that but that's I think one thing is not to humiliate people. Yeah and I think that's a really. I didn't know the was until after the debate went up. And then you you realize is history. Something has time and time again within debates. You'll get people who will explain to you how against on Semitism they are really against Anti Semitism. Become get more games on Semitism than me. And and then two minutes later to slip into the most anti Semitic and anti Semitic trope you can imagine so depots tastes. It was he was something is how much she was against. Anti Semitism and how it's wrong. Initiative.
"zionism" Discussed on Intelligence Squared U.S. Debates
"In one thousand nine hundred forty seven a little girl and her mother walked into a grocery store in Milano Italy which had recently been under Nazi occupation. And is the mother went to pay for the groceries? The woman behind the counter said. Why don't you go back to where you came from now? That woman had been born in Vilna grown up in Moscow had fled the Bolsheviks had her father executed move to Berlin and then in one thousand nine hundred thirty three had to flee Germany. Once again they had come to Italy before the race loss only to discover that Italy had become another place inhospitable to Jews. They spent the year the warriors in hiding from the Gestapo not far away in nineteen forty seven. The doors to the United States were closed for that in nineteen forty seven. They could not go back to Germany. They could not go back to Russia and there was not an Israel for them to go back to thankfully that changed now. Things are changing for us. Choose here in the United States. Will we be where Germany or France or Britain are in a generation? We may well be and we're going to want perhaps a place to go back to. I ask those of you in this room. Who are not Jewish to think a little empathetic Louis about that historic dilemma. When you say that anti Zionism is not a form of Anti Semitism when you begin the legitimation of the destruction of a Jewish state. You are closing the door to Jews to their safety. Don't do that. Vote for the resolution..
"zionism" Discussed on Intelligence Squared U.S. Debates
"And the reminder of what's going on we are halfway through the opening round of intelligence squared. Us debate. I'm John Dan. We have four debaters. Two teams of two arguing it out over this resolution. Anti Zionism is the new antisemitism. You've heard the first two opening statements and now onto the third. Please welcome and not wilf former member of the Israeli Parliament Ladies Gentlemen. I'm here and I'm sure many of you are here because it's not about a theoretical debate. This topic has real life consequences for real. People considered a historical possibility that anti Zionism as indeed the new anti-semitism. We're saying that what's going to happen. One day in America is what happened in other places where after World War Two were. Anti-semitism was thoroughly and horribly discredited. Anti Zionism became the mask and the Soviet Union. When they said we're only anti-stalinist not antisemites. We know how it ended in Poland into sixties when they had their campaign of not antisemites only anti-zionist at ended with the Jews being expelled and many committing suicide. Because they were vilified and couldn't take it we know how it ended in Arab world where a million Jews were expelled for anti Zionism not anti-semitism. It is a devastating thought to think that this might come to America but considered the other possibility. What if anti Zionism is not an EU anti-semitism? What are you saying? Then that anti Zionism is okay. It's fine let me tell you something about my Zionism. What Zionism has given me? Zionism is the reason that as a Jew I can walk with my head held up high secure in the knowledge that I have a home. They have a space where I am safe where someone has my back. I am secure in the knowledge that we can have a vibrant crazy debate. Where all we do pretty much is criticism of Israel. We do so much of it. I think that we've turned it into an export industry. Zionism has enabled criticism of Israel. It's in the knowledge that I no longer have to ask other people to decide whether my people live or die because I have power to defend myself real power not in the hands of others that we have to be finally able to decide for ourselves. This is what Zionism has given me. And when I listen to the notion that anti Zionism is growing and it is what I feel in my stomach is dread I want to consider the real world implications of anti Zionism. Are you telling me that for there to be rights for Palestinians? My Liberty my dig not have to go away. Are you telling me that for Jews to fight for a better America? They have to say that Zionism is illegitimate. I want to appeal to you to think that there must be another way a way that maintains the liberty and dignity of Jews in Israel Jews in America and around the world away that enables maintains the dignity of Palestinians that allows Jews to fight for better America and does not ask that the price of that be the Jews. Give up what is so dear to them. And what has made it possible for them to stand. Tall.
Ashley Blaker: Goy Friendly
"Talk about some. I'm pretty heavy issues. Israel Iran Patriot of Jews. So our next guest is a pretty big leap for us. Ashley Blaker is Jewish standup comedian. He is the first Orthodox Fox Jewish comedian to be given his own BBC. Show Ashley Blaker. GOYA's guide to Judaism which returned to the air in October. Two Thousand Nineteen. Now he's in New York for his latest off off Broadway. Show Ashley Blaker Goi friendly which premieres at the Soho playhouse. On February third and runs through February twenty third. While his previous off-broadway production strictly unorthodox was tailored for Jewish audiences. This one he says is not just for the Jews. It tells the story of how Ashley's close friendship with Muslim. Comedian Imron on. UCS completely changed his life with antisemitic incidents on the rise around the globe and even here in New York actually hopes to make the audience laugh but also understand stand a little bit more about their Jewish neighbors Ashley. Welcome to our studio. Thank you for having me so I have to ask you right out of the gate. anti-semitism is not funny. So how how do you address that topic with humor. Well the reality is I think he's anything can be funny. So I'll let you come to Louis showing judge whether I make. It isn't about antisemitism. I should say that there is actually a section is a band. Semitism thought. I think the more interesting is the fact that that when antisemitism is on the rise there are two ways of dealing with. This is a way of kind of hunkering down. Just going. We're we're now gonNA stick to ourselves and and try and protect ourselves and put up the security barriers and let's have lots of armed guards on the on the door in social ones bags and all of that stuff all you can kind of outreach. As it were and try and engage with the outside world and that's what my shows about about the latter it's about reaching out to the outside world and in a way this makes wants a comedy show. You know hopefully nonstop funny. Sound sound incredibly dry but Hopefully demystify Judaism a little bit. That's certainly one of the aims. Okay well I would say you could do both right. Do the security see the undercover getting having no security either. All kind of you know very good at that accused but I actually my playbill. I wrote a Performance note and for Bates Him. But I said something about how you know very good dividing ourselves as a as an in one of the things into I enjoy doing you mentioned my show strictly and also those I I love bringing choose together because we figured it kind of separating ourselves in so many different ways you know on the whole joke about the Jewish man who lands on a desert island and he builds two synagogues one ones that he'll go to one that he wouldn't ever be seen dead and that's like what we're like but I do think that there is it is an important time to actually reach out a little bit and we can. I think sometimes certainly not in any way suggesting that we. We are in any way a foot four and symptom of course but I sometimes think that actually being too insular. Isn't that helpful. Listen so now you are from the UK so well the Labor Party. I have to ask you about the Labor Party. I'm afraid But it's often regarded as the political liberal party of choice by many Jews in Great Britain. And I'm curious how you dealt with the last election and whether or not you felt politically homeless as I kept had reading about the Jewish community. There didn't myself but I'm sure other people did and I think that yes certainly in the post for many Jews the Labor faulty will have. I've been there home by just as much as the Conservative Party would be for many Liberal Democrat. We have quite a different political system. Should know to to to the Americans as many but yes I mean. It was incredible. What happened over the last few years and how symtas I'm just rose and seem to not be dealt with toll within the Labor Party in? Yeah it was a terrible thing we still really really been dealt with properly gone away. Yeah I know there were. There were several vile things said many vile things said ed by Labour politicians but then also Jeremy Corbyn himself was talking about the lack of irony that many British Jews seem to have. I don't know if you recall that particular. Yes it was Avia. Yeah it was a video I think from a while ago. Actually but he had yes he had said something. And there's a lot of these kind of allusions I think is because they. They caught clever then. They don't outright. This isn't the foul right then marking the street saying killed the Jews. It's a very allusive. Quite clever thing of of Hinson these particular weight alluding that Jews and Israel inflating the to and to you know the whole talking about antisemitism and anti Zionism also that that things that really came along with the Labor Party and I saw something videos of people saying no no we. We're not intimately to we like the right to choose. I think there's that thing of the good news and the bad news and I think that's a really good. Jews has ones March against Israel and kind of write letters to the Guardian saying that we support Sanctioned bedia smell that kind of thing uh-huh and then the ninety five percent of the badges. I mean that's clearly terrible things so it's been a really dark period and I didn't know it'll be interesting to see in the the next four five years. How things change? Have you tried to address it with humor. There over showed. I just did a toll in opened in in May with my friend Imran you mentioned draymond so imminent. He did a tour together called profit sharing actually breaking news in profit sharing seek clever title. And it's not address head on there are other people addressing this head on and the the truth is the way to look on twitter five minutes especially around the time the election to see that kind of Echo Chamber people. Don't WanNa hear they. You know you you tweet. Something about Labor Jeremy Corbyn and immediately comes back. This prepared list of twenty times. Jeremy Corbyn has both a motion ocean in parliament. That's been helpful to community Blah Blah Blah say. No one listens to each other anymore. People just spout the same thing. So I'm not sure engaging in that kind of way addressing head on is that helpful she because people just don't want to listen right. I'm sure it's the same here with trump and I'm sure there are people who are vehemently say one one thing you don't want to listen to the side. Yes that is. That is a problem that area. So I think that's something we've seen a lot particular around brexit and all these issues as we've had in the UK and the F. But so my show anyway. Mike show look comedy show. That's the the the main PARV. So I'll tell you briefly I mean essence shows. It's about yeah. Tell us about the show but then I also want to hear more about Enron and your friendship so the show about my friend she was Enron said. So that's the kind of I think in film in terms they call that the macguffin. He's kind of you know that you heard that term. I'm not familiar with that. So it's like using the original star wars. I think C. Three Po an onto d two of the macguffin that they're the ones like sent off into onto the desert and enter tattooing. They've got the messages item. Thank you the whole plot revolves from. Then there's no actually about them but it starts from them so in a way money's the macguffin hit because is a true story we're good friends we went untold together. And he's very interested custody my life he didn't know much about Judaism me belly of June. We spent many hours together in the call. He was always drawing because he he's Muslim. Couldn't in claiming been drinking and he's always asked me questions and I kind of wanted to teach him about Judaism. But where do you start. We've got six hundred thirteen commandments. It's too long to the call I didn't want to spend money on guests so I thought well I teach him about the Ten Commandments. And we started looking at the Ten Commandments. And I unrealized. They're not that practical you know he doesn't have an ox next all so there's no need to worry about not coveting it and I so I could. Maybe set myself challenge of coming up with my own ten commandments. That I could be a bit more practical. But they could actually explain what it's like to be an Orthodox Jew in two thousand twenty and in a way. It was my friendship with him. That made me reconsider my Judaism. Because she had I've been living as an Orthodox Jew for the best part of twenty years but it's only when an outside comes along install challenging us at you start having to think about it you start thinking about your love. So that's what the shows about and it's about me going through these ten commandments. My New Ten Commandments. antiquing this to him okay. So do you mind sharing a few of the talk commanded if you're the one of them is thou shalt develop obsessive compulsive disorder okay. She's an integral Paulsville so shoot as But we cover branch of Judy. Check that box right exactly. So we cover a lot of these areas we cover kosher food and living in a Jewish area. We talk about the curse of praying public and this covers a lot of ground really comes a lot of ground in the show and then And then the story I keep finished. The story has a continuation because of how Im- reacted and then what we went off did something together which I don't want to spoil because that's the narrative But it's a pretty funny chairman. I it really is. I'm super proud of it. So you say I did. This show could street Lennox. It was aimed at a Jewish audience. All Jews knock. He's also dogs. Reform Perform Conservative unaffiliated. But Still Jews and I think it's a really. I really wanted to do something. Everyone could cutting joy That would be in a language WIGGs. Everyone can understand but the is serious does not scrimp on the jokes atone. It's the funniest show of ever done this by miles miles because I've already but still called the serious stuff when we do discuss antisemitism and there are some real takeaways well foam it excellent zone. The show's name. Is Ashley. Blaker friendly it's at the Soho playhouse here in New York City from February third to twenty-third. Thank you for joining us. Thank
"zionism" Discussed on The Tel Aviv Review
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"zionism" Discussed on The Tel Aviv Review
"The Middle East actually knows about us is there uh Or has there ever been Palestinian Yossi Klein Halevi making a similar attempt to explain the Palestinian story. I mean I were reading your book. I've often thought about Edwards aide whose life mission as a political activist apart from being an academic was to tell the Palestinian in story in the West at a time when it was virtually unknown An A. also did it very well Do you accept the DA analogy or is it offensive to you. Oh No that's not offensive at all on op. Look He. He approached it in a different way. I do write about history but I'm writing more From a very personal perspective I would say a more closer analogy might be the Palestinian nonfiction writer. Roger Shahada Who writes very powerfully about the experience of living under occupation? The the first book of expose me to the Palestinian narrative was his it was called similar and I read it in the nineteen eighties ladies shortly after I moved to Israel and it really helped shape. My let's say emotional understanding and in the end. That's what I'm trying to do as much as I as an intellectual exercise here. I'm trying to to convey something of the experience of living inside the story and what it means to live the Jewish story the Israeli story And and have a very thin filter between your personal identity and your collective defined and sometimes no filter at all might sound like adopt question probably as but was it worth. It did make you more hopeful. Did it help you reach out to people that you never thought you would. Soak let me give you an Israeli answer. Aw whether it made me more hopeful or not is is is in some sense irrelevant because as you well know the the way that we cope in Israel is one day at a time is peace more likely to break out than war in the next year. I WOULD ARGUE NOT I. I think that the odds are that we are looking at a major conflict in.
"zionism" Discussed on The Tel Aviv Review
"Say is. Okay let's say the more open open or or or accepting response. Yes you are indigenous here you do have a history but you should have never come back and my response to that is of course I understand that and I would feel the same way if I were Palestinian but but we have this history jury. We acted on the history and we did it or here we succeeded. We're not giving it up after waiting two thousand years. We're actually she not going to give this up. And so when I explain in the book the depth of what this story means to Jews and especially are we in a religious context which is something that most Muslims have no idea about because we've never explained to them. No one on our side has ever turn turn to the to the Palestinians turn to the Arab world and said this is our story. This is why we're here. You don't have to accept it. You don't have to become Zionist but you need to understand their story and so what I do get from Palestinians as we didn't realize the story goes so deeply and and now you're not going to give up and so we have to come to terms with this. You say that some in some places in the book that it was informed by your for being a religious man. Is that what you mean by that. It's really the religious component that was has been repeatedly downplayed by Israelis in in dialoguing with the Palestinians that really federal inquiry one of the frustrations that I've had over the years. Is that the people who are are most qualified to conduct a real dialogue with the Palestinians. Are those tend to be least interested. I'm speaking of religious richest Jews or Jews who come from our countries who understandably have the sense of of deep anger and feeling of dispossession Those who tend to those Israeli tend to be most eager for dialogue also tend to be the least suitable. What do you think that is well because because they tend to be? Let's say more Western liberal Yanni open quote unquote but Secular Western Cosmopolitan Ashkenazi. Sensibility does not resonate in in the Arab world one of the most gratifying responses that I've gotten where Palestinians who wrote me saying an and I got a few of these letters saying to the effect that I've never been able to hear your narrative before but couched in a religious language and speaking as a person of faith. I something touched me and I was able to at least stick around long enough to read through. Some of your book should have been titled Letters to my National Religious Zionist.
"zionism" Discussed on The Tel Aviv Review
"Nobody would read and in the end. I realized realized that there's no need actually to write that that book because much of what young American Jews don't understand about Israel about Jewish identity is very similar to what Palestinians don't understand about us and so so I in the end I wrote just this one book and it's interesting Gilad. You know you were saying that we know this story and I find that well we know the story or we think we know we may not really understand the story now every everyone will have their own take on what this story means in. This book is very much a subjective. Take on Jewish history on Jewish identity. But I find that that the this this meeting point between all these different components of identity is intuitively. We understood certainly by Israelis. I I think a buy buy American shoes. Perhaps less but not explicitly -plicitly understood and I think we need to make this story explicit even goes for for Zionism. And so I'll give you an example of how I I tried to tell the story. Zionism I define Zionism. Is the meeting. Point between need and longing and the story of Zionism Awesome of need is a twentieth century. Jewish story begins with the kitchen of poker albums and culminates in the Holocaust but that's very much limited limited story. The story of the longing component of Zionism is a two thousand year old story or four thousand year old story and we by emphasizing the story of Zionism need. We do an injustice to the story of Zionism of Long. This extraordinary the story of how the Jewish people managed to keep a kind of curious indigenousness with the land that we lost but never forfeited and and then even more extraordinarily to actually pull it off and return there. So these are some of the elements that I try to export. So I'm what. What kind of reactions did you expect before? They actually came in. Expect the Palestinians to have. Because I don't since Rule out a possibility or a scenario whereby a Palestinian would read it. And say okay acceptable. This you are a people you see yourself as a national collective but still it doesn't justify Jewish your state that would that historically dispossessed. My people and came at my expense could say it just easily the same I think think okay. That's fine let's all live in one binational state or whatever we're all all of us can listen to each other where the narratives meet etcetera So it's a very good question in terms of my expectations. I tried very hard not to have any and that wasn't really difficult because this book in some sense almost wasn't published. I had a very hard time finding a publisher. Sure for it. It's it's seems like a miracle that the book was published. Let alone that it became a bestseller. That's it's it's still hasn't fully sunk again so when you ask me what my expectations were the. I hope that I had was simply that. The book would be published and and in terms of Palestinian responses. I had I tried.
A CAmpaign To End The Celebration Of New Years
"Welcome to the promised by gas. Brought to you on T. l. v. one the voice of the city whose worthies and Burgers in the nineteen thirties launched a campaign against the celebration of New Year's which in mandatory Palestine as in Modern Day Israel was known as Sylvester the name borrowed from Pope Sylvester the first thirty third pope of the Catholic Church who was buried and in the catacombs of Priscilla in Rome on December thirty first and who was beatified on December thirty first date became known as Saint Sylvester's Day or the Feast of Saint Sylvester which feasts came to stand for the reveries of the night dividing the last day of the year from the first day of the New Year in Israel as in Austria Italy Lee Bosnia Germany Slovenia Slovakia Switzerland Luxembourg left in China Poland and the Czech Republic France Croatia and probably elsewhere as well now on December remember twenty seven thousand nine hundred eighty four for instance. The paper hired-in reported that the city had been plastered with posters quote sponsored by the rabbinate and the the Hebrew community calling for residents not to celebrate this holiday Silvester as it is foreign to the spirit of Judaism they ask the owners of houses of pleasure and cafes not to rent their rooms for these purposes and quote Davar reported in the same year that deputy mayor Easter Iraq who fifteen years later would ascend to to mayor addressed the city council about quote the question of the holiday of Sylvester that is setting down roots in Tel Aviv. FEE proposal of Mr Rocca was accepted saying at the city council of Tel Aviv sees in the foreign custom of Sylvester celebrations a definitely unwanted thing which is in opposition to the spirit and traditions of the people title of Israel and asks all cafe owners and owners of large halls in the city not to organize Sylvester parties. A committee was chosen to speak with cafe owners owners etc about this matter and quote a year later in nineteen thirty five the municipality itself published this notice quote the city sees itself as obligated to remind owners of cafes and restaurants this year once again of the need to refrain from having public celebrations in honor of Sylvester Eve. This custom to celebrate the holiday of Sylvester believe in public Jewish circles in the Hebrew city harms the national lifestyle that is taking form in the land of our forefathers. This claim is aimed also at the General Oh public some of whom admittedly only a few make a practice of celebrating this holiday with debauchery and loud social parties obviously the municipality and the the citizens of the city will treat with respect anything undertaken and done in honor of this day by those residents of the city and their guests who are not Jewish for this is their holiday and quote in a year after that in one thousand nine thirty six of our reported after the fact that quote several cafes such as the Lawrence and Savoy had special holiday programs in Tel Aviv. There there were many private Sylvester parties mostly from the circles of immigrants from Germany until morning. There was much car traffic and many walking on foot. One of these people who return to his home home after midnight under the influence of alcohol startled the volunteer firefighters with a false report of a fire end quote in nineteen thirty nine. The paper beaucaire made its feelings things about known with a one line article with a banner headline on page three the article in its entirety. Read quote on Silvester Eve. Eleven people committed suicide in new. You Work and quote in one thousand nine forty. The religious paper hot so fat reported this quote I witnesses say that a man of Israel at midnight in Tel Aviv especially in the North would forget that he lives in his own nation and land semester celebrations were celebrated in several coffee houses Jewish houses in the Hebrew city and whomever was indies coffee houses which elevated the celebration to the top of the top and drinking and debauchery would forget that we live in times of emergency. The New Year by the general accounting is not for us. It's the Jews. But it is a New Year for trade and bills and money's silvester celebrations are not Jewish celebrations in the land of Israel. Especially and only those who became habituated to these celebrations collaborations in foreign lands the lands of assimilation fail to Wean themselves of this habit. Even after they pass through all the circles of hell they returned to their iniquity in the land of Israel Israel. These are just one chapter of the spiritual and moral decline that is evident in our public life especially in the first Hebrew city the glorious tel.. Ah Vive end quote now to celebrate. Silvester Twenty twenty in the glorious Tel Aviv. There were hundreds of events for instance one could welcome the New Year with the Abba Tribute Band Carney or or go to Cooley Alma for their annual gala. Three for one Christmas New Years Novi Bash the bootleg was hosting a centers party quote unquote the hostile hosted hip hop new year's breakfast on Rothschild had funke Meli and these were just a fraction of what was on offer so grand was the celebration that the municipality itself posted this on facebook from the legendary Tel Aviv. EDM Club the block quote mayor e high. I don't feel so good. I won't be coming into work tomorrow and quote quote this post from Iraq Tel Aviv Tel Aviv municipality itself. Yes there was the battery in the city. All right one could pretty much find any form of depravity ones. Momma might have worn one against save perhaps for the badgering bullying browbeating of the burgers. About how you really shouldn't go to a drag show on New Year's in the first Hebrew city in the Jewish state and arguing nothing captures the spirit of the city. Well Tel Aviv. Dafa better than a tradition reaching back. Almost ninety years of offsetting the ideological severity doctrinaire rectitude a to enforce the citizen of the hidden who ain't kidding of joyless Orthodox Zionism and greeting each new year. Hal each new day with playful exuberance heterodox selective Goya's and lots and lots of alcohol and seeing the first Hebrew city is a place not just for spiritual fulfillment but also for fun fun fun and more heretical. Still Bill Finding spiritual fulfillment in fun. Fun Fun with us. In the studio is the woman who's lovely prose is like a killer party and everyone's invited I speak of course of Alison gap and Summer Alison for Politico Than Republic foreign policy the Jerusalem posted. Jt the Ford and many other of your very best papers magazine is a columnist for Arts. You heard on. NPR PRI where I and the BBC and you've seen her on twenty four television and Al Jazeera TV and other places as well. She holds a World Centre Award for Journalism Recognizing Excellence and Diaspora reported anytime and rock our award for excellence and covering Zionism Eliane Israel. I was how was your Silvester. Oh very boring. I'm not a big New Year's eve person but it always takes me back to. When I first arrived in Israel in the nineteen eighteen eighty s and like most Americans had never heard of Saint Sylvester or New Year's Eve being referred to as Sylvester so when people started talking about Sylvester? What was the only Sylvester? I was familiar lady Birds Sylvester the cat. tweet neighbors I was like what are they crazy about the cartoons. I it took me a while to like and still now when I hear about Sylvester immediately that like cat face POPs. What's up in front of me? I thought I thought also in the studio with us as a man who is exhibit a rather than spiritual and moral decline in the city seems to be gaining in spiritual and moral seriousness through the generations. I speak of course of Os Zelter Zubeida Zelter writes and reviews books for arts including waiting just a week ago in the past he hosted a weekly show on TV on arts and culture in Israel and he is a political activist of passionate power charm and charisma insight and intelligence Ohad. Oh how is your Silvester. I was dancing on a wooden bar dancing on the bar. Because somebody in this room should have had a proper nears eve right now that's Great throughout my neck from dancing so hard I think that means that I partied as much as I could dance on your neck. No is is now painful because identity on my feet that that is a badge of honor. Yes angry my name is Owen. I don't meet the boasts upgraded the operating system on my phone last week and ever since I've been receiving hectoring messages about how I don't sleep enough and maybe it's time for me to go to sleep right now and how. I listened to an awful lot of podcast and oh I listen to my music. Too loud ended ended. I know that long term exposure to loud noise can be damaging to my hearing. And I really don't WanNa Brag about how I have maintained my youthful lifestyle
"zionism" Discussed on The Munk Debates
"Oppression people who lived with their whole lives without basic basic rights. I mean the notion that you are bigot. If you focus on one particular unjust policy you WANNA pose. Because you don't oppose all in the world with with the same vigour I just think belies reality in the nineteen seventies. The organized American Jewish community boycotted the Bolshoi ballet because Soviets were not allowing Jews to leave the Soviet Union. And I think it was a very proud moment in American Jewish history. The soybean was not the worst regime in the world. At that point there was the Kamerhe Rouge there was Idi Amin so-someone said This is bigotry. You're not equally focused on what's happening in Cambodia and Uganda. The point was this was a Jewish movement that was based on trying to secure rights for Jews. People have the right to try to gain liberation and it for themselves that's what the BBS movement which comes out of Palestinian society is and and therefore I just don't think it makes sense to say that it is bigoted because those people are not equally focused on the million other forms of oppression that exists in the world. You're listening to the monk debate podcast veit resolved. Anti Zionism is antisemitism. Arguing for the motion. Is New York Times columnist Brad Stevens. Peter Beinart contributing editor at the Atlantic is arguing against the resolution. One question brief refund this before we go into your closing statements just short summations each Brett. Is there something Peter said today. That would cause you to rethink think. A piece of your argument. No Peterson question to you. Or you set in these these beliefs or has Brett unsettled unsettled. Something that you've been thinking about in terms of this I take very seriously Brett's concern about what it would mean for. Jews is to enter into this very uncertain century. Continue down that path without a Jewish state and so in that regard that is something that worries me a great deal and I fully league recognized that Anti Zionists movement are led by people who don't WanNa Jewish state to exist so I understand that fear and concern that Brad has. It's simply that and I think a lot of this comes out of all the time that I spent with Palestinian anti Zionist. I just cannot call people in good conscience anti-semites when I know Oh from personal experience that they're not and they want the same things for their children that I want for myself. Is there anti-semitism among anti Zionist movement. Yes I've had Palestinians say to me that they've heard anti they've heard antisemitic things in movement meetings that does exist. That is something that's very worrying but it's also important. I remember that some of the most is prominent and I think dangerous anti-semites in the world today are actually supporters of the state of Israel. As well so peterson closing remarks. Some key points. You want to leave us with. I just want to briefly quote. This is the Basic Law that was introduced by three Palestinian Israeli members of the Knesset last year and they said we do not deny Israel alerts right to exist as a home for Jews. We're simply saying that we want to base the existence of the state not on preference of Jews but on the basis of equality. The state should exist in the framework of equality and and not in the framework of preference and superiority. I have my differences with those Palestinian members of the Knesset. But I simply don't see how one can call that bigotry and this has very the important real world implications because the definition of anti Zionism as anti-semitism which will almost adopted for instance by the University of California system. If you say anti Zionism Anti Semitism Semitism and and she'd be bigotry therefore deserves penalties when it's experienced on college campuses. You're basically saying that groups like students for Justice in Palestine the entire Palestinian Alestinian political movement basically is a form of bigotry and therefore doesn't necessarily have the right basic rights to free speech. I think that's deeply dangerous Chris and human. It's important to remember that we not only live in a time of rising anti Semitism. We also live in a time of rising slama phobia and we live in an age. Where bigotry against Palestinians is in a way so pervasive that we don't even have a name for which is to say that people can routinely suggests that Palestinian should live their entire lives under military law without basic rights? And we don't even think about that as a form of bigotry. So if we'RE CONCERNED ABOUT BIGOTRY WANNA fight all forms of bigotry. I think inflating anti Zionism. anti-semitism opens the door to a very profound bigotry against Palestinians. Which says they don't have the right to live to express political views that are based on their own experience and their air desire for equality? And I think that's a mistake. Thank you Peter. Brian Harte Brad Stevens. Your closing remarks. Israel has always been central to Jewish identity identity and that was true both before there was a state of Israel and in the seventy one years that there has been a state of Israel. We're living in a period in which the evidence of rising and murderous anti Semitism is not only frightening it's undeniable and so to get behind an ideology that is inimical to the way in which the overwhelming coming majority of Jews see themselves and see their national and cultural and religious aspirations and to you argue for the elimination of the one St in the world that provides every Jew around the world with some assurance there are means for its own self defense strikes me as inherently anti Semitic. Anyone who has a sense of moral decency cares for the rights of all embattled minorities and I look forward to the day in which Palestinian leaders has ceased to embrace groups like Hamas which are anti Semitic and call for Israel's destruction and embrace a politics that leads to a state in which all Palestinians have democratic representation and liberal democratic rights. While we wait for that to happen. We should be avid Zionists because to wish for the opposite is effectively leaving the Jewish people to resort to the kindness of strangers and anyone who knows anything about Jewish history knows that that provides no long-term security at all or Brad Stevens Peter Beinart thank thank you for a civil substantive conversation on a difficult contested issue. I think we've we've moved the conversation forward. And it's thanks to your thoughtfulness and durability to engage with each other much much appreciate it. Thank you thank you all the best. Thanks a lot. Thank you for listening into the monk. Debate podcast police for civil and substantive debate on the big issues of the day to listen to more debates on everything from climate change to religion geopolitics. The future of human progress visit our website triple W. Munk debates dot com. You can also find show notes on today's debate along with a full transcript. Thank you for helping us. Bring back the art of Public Debate. 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"zionism" Discussed on The Munk Debates
"Between anti. He's nine ISM and Anti Semitism. I WanNa make a final point. which is this we are living in an era of Research Anti Semitism and this is not? This is not a question of Antisemitism Maranto Zionism when a pogrom nearly happens in a synagogue in Paris when protesters is in Germany call for Jews to go Palestinian protesters or air protesters in Germany. Call for choose to go to to the gas. When schools throughout Europe Jewish schools are behind armed guards and when a synagogue in Pittsburgh and another synagogue in San Diego is victimized by anti Semitic violent murderous hatred? We are living in a certain Europe. And that's an era in which we've learned that not just in Europe but also here in North America. Jews aren't entirely safe. The one place where Jews actually can defend themselves and have the sovereign sovereign and legal means to do so is in the state of Israel and it behooves anyone with a sense of the long and violent history of of Anti Semitism to understand that. That's why those of us who have that sense are so careful to not only denounce anti Semitism when we see it but to understand that the long-term security of the Jewish people requires the safety and health of the state of Israel and when people sneakily make claims that they are for the Jews but against Israel. That's something that we can't just pretend is theoretically sound because we know the consequences the too often follow from it. Thank you Brad Peter. That's the point that I've thought about also in the context of this debate I mean. Why isn't it fair to take a harder line anti Zionism to draw clear sharper sharper distinctions? Because we are seeing this wave of rising antisemitism and how to not be in some way intertwined in linked linked feeding off one another I mean the two can be intertwined and interlinked. I mean if you've got a pro Palestinian march that is saying you should go to the gas. Then that's clearly. Both anti-zionist honest anti-semitic. I'm not saying that. People anti-zionist like Louis Farrakhan for instance or Hamas cannot also be antisemitic simply saying that Zionists can be anti-semites to look at Victor Orban and that anti-zionist cannot be anti-semites. You know a bright not like the folks in Jewish for his for peace but they have fifteen thousand members which is almost as big as some of the right wing Jewish organizations and they genuinely believe and again they come out of. There's a long tradition going back to the Bund. A tradition of anti-zionist Jews. Not because they don't care about Jewish welfare but because they don't believe that ethnic nationalism is the best way to provide for Jewish security. And the the problem is that Anti-semitism Anti-semitism is something very frightening and very disturbing. And it's coming from both the left and the right but it is not fair to make Palestinians pay the price for that is if to suggest that because Jews are frightened because of our history and frightened now that therefore we have no concern about the rights of Palestinians that age right Palestinians also have basic rights and to deny Palestinians. Their basic rights is also a form of bigotry. I always find find it odd that so many of the same people who say that it is bigoted to depose a Jewish state seemed not to find it bigoted at all to oppose a Palestinian state. Right right many members of Congress oppose a Palestinian state. Are they big. It's too so earlier this year at a town hall meeting in Saint Catharines Ontario Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau came out against the BCS movement the boycott divestment and sanctions movement. which is the campaign in promoting various boycotts against the state of Israel? Here's a clip. When you have movements like that singles out Israel that seeks seeks to de-legitimize and in some cases demonize when you have students on campus dealing with things like Israel apartheid weeks that makes extent fearful of actually attending campus events because of their religion in Canada? We have to recognize that there are things that are you're acceptable. Not Because of foreign policy concerns but because of Canadian values. It's not right to discriminate or to make someone feel unsafe. You've campus because of their religion unfortunately the BCS movement is often linked to those kinds of frames. So Peter Reinhard I to you. Do you agree with people. Like just tro is the movement anti Semitic no I don't think the BCS movement is inherently antisemitic. They're certainly anti-semites in the videos movement as I said they are anti-semites on the pro Israel. Right both in the US. In Europe as well the movement which I oppose wants to boycott the all of Israel until Israel leaves the occupied territories until there is the right of refugee return and until there is equality for Palestinian citizens. I have critiques. Not of all of those three points but there's nothing inherently antisemitic in that view. Unless you believe that it is bigoted to oppose Jewish statehood. which I don't believe leave others would say it's bigoted because they're singling out Israel the the problem with that argument is that the BS movement emerges from Palestinian civil society it was a Palestinian call? Call for a boycott modeled on the call by black by the ANC and others in black South Africa. People around the world are responding to that call most of those people in my experience who supported the movement. They are responding to a particular boycott call from the Palestinians and it is not discriminatory to respond to one particular particular groups of people's call for a boycott. I think if there were a similar movement that emerged from Tibet or Saudi Arabia. You will see that many of those same people including myself would be very sympathetic to but the problem is that there is no similar movement. And here's why the BBS movement is antisemitic because the same people who don't think twice about using cell phones with components that are made by prison labor in China the same people who wouldn't think twice about taking a vacation in India despite questions about India's position in Kashmir the same people who wouldn't think twice about visiting Istanbul have alighted on the one St that they wished to boycott and divest from. which just by some weird coincidence happens to be the Jewish state and the origins? I'm sorry to say. But the origins of the movement do not lie in the American Civil Rights Movement the origins of the movement lie in the longstanding Arab boycott boycott of the state of Israel which began even before Israel came into existence began in the early nineteen forties that partake of the kind of odious bigotry. That of course was ubiquitous in Nazi Germany. When Jewish businesses were being boycotted for obvious and obviously anti Semitic reasons back then? So if you're going to tell me that you oppose Israeli policy in the West Bank and therefore you're going to boycott Israel just as you are boycotting Chinese goods just as you are boycotting cutting Russian goods and so forth and so on that I'm happy to make an exception for you and to say that at least you're applying your your principles universally but when you have a movement that is singularly focused on boycotting the state but happens to be the Jewish one in a way that you're not applying that same principle equally then that's a discriminatory and anti Semitic practice and we should missing people. Who are the victims of bigotry whether they are black whether they are gay or whether whether they are Jews do not have the option to be idiots they do not have the option to say? Well let's constantly give those who are persecuting us us the benefit of the doubt on the contrary they have an obligation not only to stand up for themselves but they have an obligation to call out bigotry as they they see it and at least put the onus on the Beedi Eser's or on the homophobes or on the white nationalist to say tell US exactly why it is is that we should call out your bigotry. If you can provide a convincing explanation then we might be willing to listen to you but to preemptively simply say well the BCS movement movement says it's not anti Semitic and therefore we're going to accept that explanation. I think is is worse than foolish. It's naive and it's an invitation. For even more insidious these kinds of bigotry look the move in is a Palestinian movement. It emerged in two thousand five created by call for Palestinian civil society by the way after the end of the second Intifada when the Palestinians were looking for a non violent way of trying to gain their rights. There's something to be kind of bizarre about saying about Palestinian movement. Why are they not focusing equally on Burma? It's a Palestinian movement created by Palestinians. Yes its appeal to people around the world but it was created by Palestinians because they're responding to their own basic oppression. Anyone who spent one day in the West Bank with Palestinians will see the magnitude of that of that.
"zionism" Discussed on The Munk Debates
"A nation state but you or or many listeners might be surprised to learn that around the world all kinds of states including states that we consider upstanding members of the Liberal Democratic Order. Do in fact offer certain kinds of privileges to a given nation that are not offered to others. Let me give you. A- An example Denmark unlike the United States has an official language Danish. You'll be surprised to learn Germany for many years. Here's I don't know if it's the current policy but certainly was the policy for for decades postwar Germany offered expedited citizenship two German nationals else. who had been living in what became the Soviet Union for decades but in fact for centuries they offered citizenship based on an ancestral Israel claim of nationality and ethnicity so the idea that Zionism the Jewish lines like the Danes like the Germans like many other nation states offer certain kind of privileges to the dominant ethnic or religious group is not a very strange idea? It's certainly I'm not an outrageous idea. I don't hear many people calling for the elimination of Germany. Much less the elimination of Denmark. Now a second point that Peter Raises You you can always find the odd exception. Like he mentioned the Satmar Hassidim who are not Zionis. I'm perfectly happy to concede seed that there are these rare exceptions as there are when it comes to any prejudice but that does not mean that we should overlook the fact that if if you were to draw a ven diagram and map anti Zionism over anti-semitism. The overlap would be absolutely astonishing astonishing so Peter is trying to point to a handful of exceptions and say this disproves the rule. I'm not sure that that's the case. The third point and maybe to some listeners of the most powerful point is to say well there are a lot of Palestinians who don't want a state of Israel who want the destruction destruction of the state of Israel to or at least wanted substituted with with with a single state now for the last twenty five or however many years well intended people and this includes myself have been working and have been hoping for a two state solution precisely because Zionism is so central to Jewish identity. So when there are Palestinians who say we want the destruction of the state of Israel rather would've been the creation of an independent Palestinian state. They are in fact participating in that antisemitism and it should be no surprise. I'm sorry to say this but antisemitism them not just of the postmodern twenty-first-century anti-zionist variety of the old fashioned nineteenth century kind is alive been well on Palestinian television Palestinian mosques and in Palestinian society. That's a reality that a lot of supporters of Palestinian statehood. WanNa look away from but if anyone one is being honest about Palestinian politics the have to acknowledge that there is far too much rank old fashioned antisemitism inhabiting of Palestinian Austin Politics Palestinian discourse. Thanks where it Stevens Peter Beinart. Let's get your response to what you've heard from breakfast now. I want to start with the idea of the ven diagram that there's an almost almost exact overlap of non almost exact between the group of people who were Zionists and the group of people who are anti-semites. I just think that's not empirically. The case first of all some of the most vigilantly gently and obviously antisemitic leaders in the world. Today I think of someone like Viktor Orban's in Hungary for instance or the far right leaders in much of Europe and Donald Trump who has a much longer history of peddling antisemitic stereotypes than Ilhan Omar are very Zionistic. In fact it's not intellectually inconsistent if you like the Polish leaders of the Nineteen Thirties Thirties. who were antisemitic? If you don't want choosing your country you might be quite happy about the idea that they would have a country of their own and what we know about polling in the United States suggest just the ven diagram actually may not really overlap nearly as much as Brett says because when the anti-defamation League did a study and they ask people to measure their anti Semitism ask the question like Jews have too much power they only look out for themselves. They found that the most antisemitic people in the United States were older and without college degrees and yet when people study Israel sentiment hostility to Israel for instance the Pew Research Center. They find that the people who have the most hostility to Israel tend to be young at highly educated educated so actually the ven diagram doesn't necessarily overlap. Nearly as much I think is is suggesting it is certainly true. Bread is absolutely right. There are lots so countries in the world that have crosses or crisis on their flags and that have some form of preferential immigration policy. Israel is at an extreme in the sense that even though Britain has across on its flag Britain had a Jewish prime minister whereas very difficult to imagine the state of Israel having let's say Palestinian Prime Minister but I think the critical point for our our debate. Is that if you're a Brit who wanted to take that cross off the flag or a German to use Brett's example who didn't want Germany to have an immigration policy that privileged Germans over another group. You might be right. You might be wrong. You wouldn't be a big hit for taking those us. This would be an argument about ethnic versus civic nationalism nationalism which is an argument that takes place in all different parts of the world There is Palestinian anti-semitism. Bread is entirely right about that but when he he used the word destruction of the state of Israel I think what he's conflating is the notion that there are that some have like Islamic Jihad for instance of a violent war to you just to destroy Israel and kill Jews and another group of Palestinians who have supporters around the world who want to replace Zionism which is an ethnic nationalism with a civic civic nationalism. They believe treat all people equally. There are very good critiques of this I am a supporter of the two state solution. But I just don't think it makes I think it defies vise logic to say that someone who wants people to live equally in one state. Is there for a bigot. You're listening to the monk debate podcast be it. Resolved Anti Zionism is antisemitism. If you're enjoying this debate check out. Our website munk debates dot com for dozens of debates on the big issues of the day. Listen to Tony Blair. And Christopher hitchens debate whether religion is a force for good in the world. Watch freed ZACCARIA. Neil Ferguson go head to head Ed on the future of geopolitics read Stephen Fry Jordan Peterson's debate on political correctness. All these debates free to listen watch and read at MUNK DEBATES DOT COM so brad. What's the rebuttal that this discussion around Mound Anti Zionism and labeling people as Anti Zionists is cutting off the kind of legitimate necessary sometimes difficult conversations that the sesame acetate that are the basis of sustaining? Some hope for two state solution just recently in the United States. We've had had an argument between left and right over some horrendous comments that the president made with respect to four minority congresswomen in which he said that they should go back to the countries that are supposedly countries of origin and obviously and importantly Omar has a history of launching vicious anti Semitic screens. The I mean to me this is a nakedly bigoted and frankly racist comment. And I don't need I don't need anyone to tell me otherwise I I found it interesting to listen to some conservative commentators either. Duck the question of the statements bigotry and racism altogether or or actually engaged in this kind of fine grain. Legalistic parsing as to whether it was racist or merely xenophobic. We live in an age when we not only see and hear. But if you don't mind my saying when we smell when we get that whiff of racist bigotry we call it out and people on the left people who who typically are on. Peter side of the debate have been very vocal in doing so and I of course have have joined them in that as a as a a so-called never trump conservative. But I find amazing. Is that when we come to a different kind of bigotry. which is the bigotry against Jews? That all of a sudden my friends friends who are so attuned to microaggressions into racist dog whistles start to sound a little bit like Mitch. McConnell's of the world and trying to carefully Parse arse exactly what the language was that was used and to make excuses for people who are engaging just the kinds of stereotypes and tropes tropes and language that those of us who understand antisemitism are unfortunately all too familiar with and I would wish that someone like Peter who is so honorably thoughtful when it comes to calling out racism when he sees it and not allowing racists to hide behind carefully. PARKHURST language would be equally vocal when it comes to not insisting on these exquisitely fine grain distinctions.
"zionism" Discussed on The Munk Debates
"I think it's time to this toxic. Finery zero-sum Matt Stop. Were not an imperial power. We're revolutionary power. We are no longer in a world where you can. Plot out moves statesman to statesman like a chessboard. You don't know anything about my background where it came from it. It doesn't matter to you because fundamentally the mean white man and we can't do this to the next generation because America will cease to exist. Welcome come to the monk debate podcast. I'm your moderator Rudyard Griffiths our mission every episode is to provide you with civil and substantive debate on the big issues of the day. Free Spin focused on facts and animated by smart conversation by the end of each debate. Our hope is that you'll be armed with enough enough information to make up your own mind about any given issue on this episode. We debate the motion be resolved. Anti Zionism is is Anti Semitism when people sneakily make claims they are for the Jews but against Israel. That's something that we can't just pretend is theoretically sound because we know the consequences. The too often follow from it. anti-semitism is something very frightening and very very disturbing and is coming from both the left and the right but it is not fair to make Palestinians. Pay The price for that. It's a debate brewing ruining on college campuses in our domestic politics. And it's shaping opinion about the state of Israel on the world stage at the heart of the debate is the issue of where and when when in fact if ever it's okay to question the legitimacy of the Jewish state in present day Israel. We're going to walk this fine line with two big thinkers thinker that hold sharply different points of view arguing for the motion be it resolved. Anti Zionism is antisemitism. Is New York Times columnist Brett Stevens. His opponent is Peter Beinart contributing editor at the Atlantic and author of the crisis of Zionism. Brad Stevens Peter Beinart. Welcome to the monkey podcast. Thank you good to be here Brett since you're speaking in favor of today's resolution it resolved anti Zionism is antisemitism. Let's hear your opening statement. First Start for us. I think there's a common misconception that anti Zionism amounts to nothing more than very strong criticism of Israel. And I'd like to begin by dispelling that notion ocean People who don't like the Netanyahu government that includes me are not anti Zionists. That's part of the normal democratic graddick debate people who oppose Israel's settlement policies or its policies these of Gaza or anywhere else aren't necessarily anti-zionist. There are many patriotic Israelis who feel just the same way. Anti Zionism is unique. Because it's view is that the Zionist enterprise that is to say the state of Israel is misconceived. It's wrong and at the end of the day. Eh It isn't simply Israeli policy that has to change but it is Israel itself that has to go now. This is unique when you think about other countries around the world. Many of us are critics of China's occupation of Tibet Russia's occupation of parts of Ukraine crane. Some people are aware that Turkey is occupying northern Cyprus in violation of international law and putting down settlements there too but none of those critiques. Extend to calls that are now increasingly pervasive around the world not only for Russia. China Turkey Turkey to change their policies but for the states themselves to disappear to be eliminated so even if you accept the premise for one second roger that that anti Zionism is not antisemitism. You have to come to grips with the eliminationist ideology that is at the heart of anti Zionism but anti Zionism is anti Semitism first of all. It's Anti Semitism for a reason. I just suggested it is. Is it singles out the Jewish state for opprobrium and with a prescription that Anti Zionists apply to you know other state second point. That's very important. Is that anti Zionism tens very frequently to traffic in images images in tropes and libels that have a long history in an anti Semitic tradition stretching back for thousands of years so for example when you hear that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza and of course manifestly is not your abusing using that word that is trafficking in a classic anti Semitic tropes suggesting that the Jewish people have a particular kind of blood lust. Or if you say that Israel Israel or Israeli leaders have hypnotized the world to get them to do their bidding. That again goes back to an old anti Semitic trump and and finally antisemitism is anti Zionism. Because like all forms of Jew hatred in history it has adapted itself almost like a virus to you the cultural and political fashions of our day. Today it is very difficult for people to be Anti Semites to hate Jews for racial reasons and for the obvious reason that that kind of ideology fortunately went out of fashion with the destruction of the Third Reich. It's unfashionable to hate Jews simply on a religious basis but it has become fashionable to hate us using the excuse of their statehood of their nationality ability and of their willingness to defend their borders as the latest pretext to single out Jewish people for opprobrium and for hatred trid that is applied to almost no other people if no other people in the world that is why in a nutshell anti Zionism is indistinguishable from Anti Semitism. It is the antisemitism of our day. Brad Stevens thank you for that. Opening Statement Peer Beinart. I'm going to turn the microphone over to you. Let's hear your opening remarks. Sure I think I. It's it's useful to try to define what Zionism or at least political Zionism is. It's the idea that there should be a state that privileges Jews that has a special responsibility liberty to protect and represent Jews. You see that in the state of Israel symbols which are religious with immigration policy which makes allows a diversion like myself to come to Israel and become the citizens day one and makes it virtually impossible for a Palestinian to immigrate to Israel and become a citizen. Now I am Zionist because as a Jew I believe in the importance of a state that has a special responsibility to Jews but I also think that there are many many examples of people who do not support that Jewish privilege in the state of Israel who are not anti Semite so for instance there is a component of the Jewish world. That opposes Zionism doesn't get necessarily silly that much attention but the spot markelle system for instance who are the largest group in the world they have meetings in in football stadiums that are larger than the APEC National Convention Convention are anti Zionist because of their traditional reading of Jewish texts. Jewish voice for Peace on the left is a Jewish organization that believes that it. It's liberal democratic values our intention with the idea of a state privileges Jews even inside Israel proper privileges them over Palestinians. It's too that most Jews around the world are Zionis but that wasn't always the case and there still is a robust debate about Zionism. Probably look younger American Jews today you would find that. There's an even in larger number of people who have significant questions about the idea of Zionism either because traditional Jewish religious texts say that it's incompatible with Jewish religious religious law or because it violates their liberal democratic values in either cases. Those people are just simply not anti-semites. Secondly you have almost almost. All Palestinians are anti Zionist again. Because they don't support the idea of a state that privileges Jews over Palestinians. Now some some of their anti Zionism is absolutely Semitic if you look at the Islamic kind of dominationist ideology of Hamas but there are many other Palestinians who say very very openly and simply that they want Israel to not the Jewish state but to be a state for all its citizens in which everyone lives under the same law there were a number of Palestinian members of the Knesset who introduced a what's called a basic law in Israel last year. Saying simply this they should not be a state built on principles of privilege for any group it should be a liberal democracy with equal law provided to everybody. Now it's true that there are many ethnically-based states around the world but we do not as a general principle have the idea that every nation that wants its own state should have won the Kurds. Don't the Catalans don't the Basques. Don't the Quebecers don't I don't. I don't think we would say that. People who oppose a Kurdish state are antisemitic. In in fact there are states that were built on ethnic or racial privilege that had been dismantled salt right so I do not consider Israel an apartheid state. I think the way that the partic- Africa privileged whites over blacks was much more extreme than the way that Israel privileges is Jews over non-jews but when that was dismantled and the project of National self-determination for Afrikaners was ended and Israel became a state for for all its citizens that wasn't anti offer connor bigotry. And if you say that all Palestinians Who are anti Zionists are anti-semites even those who say that all they want is one state in which Jews and Palestinians live under an equal law? Then in fact you are essentially de legitimizing ising all Palestinian politics equating Palestinian politics with bigotry. And I think that's very destructive for our appreciation of Palestinian human dignity needy and I think undermines the quest for peace. Thank you both for those Opening statements at let quickly some up here Brad Stevens. The gist of your argument is that well. It's become widely unacceptable to be anti Semitic for racial or religious reasons. It has become acceptable to criticize Jews for pursuing wing statehood or for defending their borders. which do you are essential to the very existence of Israel and Peter Beinart? You're saying quite light. Simply that one can disagree with the politics of the state of Israel you can even be anti Zionist instill not anti Semitic hence your against since the motion be it resolved. Anti Zionism is antisemitism. Now let's move on to our rebuttals Brett Steven. I'm GONNA pass the microphone back to you to respond to a few of the key things appear said that are at the top of your mind. Well I know. This debate is being heard and obviously in Canada and in the United States and in both countries the idea of a state privileging a particular nation that is to say particular culture ethnicity religion language and so on might seem a little strange to our traditions simply because the United States was not founded as.
Two dead in German synagogue attack on Yom Kippur
"Remco lean who's acting director of AJC Berlin joins us now from Berlin to discuss the anti Semitic attack on Yom Kippur afternoon against the synagogue in Hallo- Germany. REMCO thank you so much for joining us of course thank you renew now tell us what happened this week in Hallo- saw yesterday at around noon we got the first thoughts that was his shooting in which is a rather small city in the eastern part of Germany and immediately I messages we received so you know they were talking about there was a shooting at the synagogue on near the synagogue it wasn't like really clear from the beginning but you know if you hours in you know that AH story developed became pure and Kira that this terrorist tried to attack synagogue in other and it wasn't able doing that so he couldn't enter synagogue and because he wasn't like really sophisticated but sadly enough he was able to kill two random people in Holler and so that's like the short version of what happened yesterday it's interesting because when he didn't succeed to get into the synagogue thank God he shot someone if I understand correctly you shot someone on the street and then he drove to a Kebab restaurant which is kind of almost a a symbol of immigration and shot someone there you know it kind of speaks to the ways in which Jews and immigrants and Muslims uh-huh are kind of all targeted in certain situations by the same people of course yes but I guess I I really need to stress that I mean he obviously streamed his terror attack in the Internet and of course he's a racist and of course he hates Muslims but that's what I've learned from people who have seen the video and the livestream you put on the Internet and he immediately starts all this video denying the Holocaust and saying that behind all ills in society the Jews so you know it's main target and his main goal was to kill Jews from that's synogogue and you know after he failed of course he just passed by a Kebab shop and so again I haven't seen the video just you know I can only tell from you know whatever it in the news because I really don't need to see this bet she more or less really okay then you know I'd take the shop and so people there but again like you've gotta logical driven by hatred for Jews and Jews were his main targets and so I guess we really need to stress yeah we saw something similar last year in the shooting in Pittsburgh at the synagogue in Pittsburgh here in the US where the shooter was apparently driven of course by his hatred of Jews but specifically it was the fact that the synagogue had hosted like a a welcoming refugees event and he saw that as you know this kind of very classic Anti Semitic idea of the Jew as puppet master wielding all of the elements of society that you know he has a part of the so-called master race thinks of as savory so his way of pushing back against immigration was he basically felt that he was going to the source which to him was the Jews of course I mean the plays a problem you know guy who was an anti Semite very likely to be a racist and is very likely to hate Muslims so that all goes hand in hand but again like you was mainly driven by his tantric for his anti Semitism and so we ah we we just have to keep in mind and I mean again like you know these people that are always racist at the same time and I mean he he already in this video again I haven't seen it but just altruism some transcripts he also said like that you know feminism is the driving force behind declining birth rates investments ladies and you know that opened the gate you know for the refugees and you know by the Jews or letting all this migrant so of course you know there's always part of the apology of like people like him what did you think Remco of the response across Germany yesterday what happened both governmental and civil society Eddie and is it the right response so in terms of governmental responses security was a short up around Germany and this is still the case and all states as far as I know and we'll keep it this way for the foreseeable future and in terms of civil society Heidi I mean we had a few gatherings I mean we had to here in Berlin with a few hundred at these there were other gatherings and other cities and I attended the gathering here in Berlin and thankfully the chancellor showed up and express solidarity with the Jewish community but still I mean you know Berlin in the city ah like three and a half million people and you know three hundred people showing up that much I also have to stress that we had a case on Friday today I mean you know this week was very busy they could guy tried to enter to negotiate in Berlin with a knife and and AL sheltered slurs Israel so nobody wants their you know to so they're sort of a you know in this case so it's very sad that obviously people have to die people you know come out and shoulder so verity with the Jewish community I'm glad that you bring that up Remco because in just the past seven days there have been they've actually been to anti Semitic attacks or really attempted attacks in Germany of course the shooting and hollow which made international headlines but also this attempt to bring into a synagogue in central Berlin on Chabad by someone who if I understand correctly it was a Syrian refugee screaming Allah who are men the F. Israel he wasn't quite so polite as I was you know it really highlights for people the fact that anti Semitism is not something that only comes from the far right and it's not something that only comes from radicalized Muslims but it comes from both of those sources also comes from the far left do you think that in Germany there's an awareness in an appreciation for all the different sources of Anti Semitism today unfortunately not because as already right they said you know we have anti-semitism on the right that we have seen today although we are their Muslim anti-semitism which it's Friday here in Berlin we have the coming anti-semitism just thinking what PDF's and all this anti Zionism but we have also an anti Semitism mainstream society so it's coming I'm from all corners and you know people are very good at you know always like picking v. anti-semites their own ideology meeting like you know the Nafta's always pointing to the right the Conservatives always pointing to the left and I don't have the feeling that there's a deep understanding of how fundamental problem is that it's been political dishes are outlooks and this is a problem that we have like an all corners of society and not just in just one on one of my friends put out on twitter that a friend of his WHO's a rabbi in Hamburg Germany that he had requested police protection for Yom Kippur Synagogue and was re accused the police actually told him that they didn't understand why the synagogue would need protection do you think that this is a turning point is this going to be a seminal lament in Germany's understanding of the resurgence of antisemitism. Do we think that in the future police will recognize that Jews need to be protected I can only also but nowhere in talking about security you can say that we are talking about the bigger cities in Germany prank for Berlin Munich The the security is already good thought you know when you go to Jewish communities and spawners cities I mean as we've seen yesterday and you know there was not even police officer in front of this and I walk on poor and this is something that is just simply unacceptable and I've been in today and I would can you to be tomorrow and contact with authorities and officials and stressed that you know this right knowledge like the most important thing that you know security not the most important right on that every community every community every Jewish institution has to have proper protection in Germany and not only right in our you know the next three weeks but permanently because what happened yesterday can happen again and that you know a Jewish community doesn't have depiction is unacceptable and it's acceptable that's security and you know the life of Jews in Germany depend on you know how thicker doors because you know people didn't die yesterday in the synagogue you know thankfully didn't happen because the doors to the terrorist wasn't able to enter the synagogue and gave up for and again like right now the most important thing is that security is tightened in every community and for every Jewish institution in Germany so that's one thing you know what are we specific clearly looking for Germany to do and really we can broaden this to to all of Europe what needs to happen now to ensure that Ju- stay safe for all we have to recognize the problem very very cuny and we have to understand the problem we have to understand the problem is in you know we find this problem in every corner of society the leftist the right Muslim in the mainstream we have to address it properly we have to make sure that this is after we've tested and analyze that there action taken and that you know civil society supported in their efforts to counter anti-semitism and you know there are a lot of great civil society league groups that we as AJC in Berlin work with and doing an awesome job and what they're doing and you know they have to have the proper funding because this is nuts something that the state can just do so we need the support here and the civil society and yeah so that would be like the two immediate steps and certainly I mean just talking about Germany I mean we've talked about the case on Friday where this guy was tried to end I mean he was released Kathy even twenty four hours after that he tried to enter this and our goal with a knife and this is also not acceptable and there's also something you know the the politicians have to look into to see you know where we can tighten the law and that these people are at a guy like the guy on Friday you know it's not released it almost immediately and because they said there were no grounds on holding him which is you know he obviously tried to murder juice so that's not a reason to hold somebody in custody you know what is well Remco we're glad to have you on the job we know that there is much more work to be done thank you so much for updating us on this tragic an important development
"zionism" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show
"These people either don't want or can't live together in one state and this idea that had actually been brought up by the u._k. Ten years earlier the idea of what's today called the two state solution but the u._n. It wasn't called two-state solution at the time but that's what the u._n. Decided on <hes> <hes> so that on on the legal level in terms of <hes> in terms of other rights to exist. I would say that every every i would say that people's defined broadly national groupings have a right to national self-determination and i know that a lot of people see being jewish <unk> as a religion designers movement said no. It's not that the way we're not defined as a religion where stark will people that got sort of <hes> <hes> reduced to a religion through thousands of years of being away from the ancestral homeland but essentially this is a this is a you know a cultural national channel group that has the same rights <hes> to national self-determination and indeed zionism was born in that period of nationalisms of the of the second half of the nineteenth century <hes> and i believe in that i would love the you know i i have a john lennon ish sort of no borders no countries eddie listrik viewpoint but in in practical terms <hes> you know the jews who live in israel and the palestinians are two separate peoples who i would say at this stage in historical development should be living in you know not divided there should be there should be certainly certainly be part of the palestinian citizens of israel should remain palestinians if israel but i don't see a one st for both those people is something that has a practical. We'll <hes> healthy sort of future for it so i don't know if that answers. The question of why israel has a right to exist but i think it's the most healthy solution to have to nation nation-states with open borders in good relations and you know so okay so let me ask you about the situation there on the ground because now you have gaza the gaza strip where i guess many of the palestinians live. It's referred to as an open air prison. <hes> the borders are closed. Not only between israel l. and gaza but egypt is doesn't allow supplies or anything in either <hes> like i said it's described as an open air prison..
Daniel Pantaleo, Officer Who Held Eric Garner in Chokehold, Is Fired
"Than five years after he placed eric garner in an illegal and fatal chokehold new new york police officer daniel pantaleo was fired the decision announced by new york city police commissioner james o'neill garner's daughter emerald wearing a t shirt with a word murderer written across a picture of pantaleo. Thank the commissioner for his decision. Then promise that this is just the first step toward justice we we will be we will we will be going after the rest of the
Chicago Police "Livid" After All Charges Dropped Against Jussie Smollett
"In the reason why it's tricky in horrifying, you know, environmentally that if they're deregulating at just sort of breakneck speed, a not only for capitalistic intent, but also for Armageddon intent that there is this strange marriage, you know, demonic marriage and dove tailing of, you know, late stage capitalism and evangelical Christian eschaton prophecy. And I I guess to capitalists are hedging their bets or they don't give a fuck, but but they're on board. So this weird unification of like radical evangelical end time prophecy baiters and just sort of like, let's make the world free for any kind of business. No matter what had fucking does to the environment. And then we'll fix it. When the time comes maybe don't worry about that. Now, that's sort of nihilistic. And I imagine that the core of a lot of people that may not be religious. Who are you know? Fuck you Trump's to best, you know, fuck regulation. Fuck unions. Fuck the environment. Fuck the new green deal that they're that's the third arm of this momentum. Is that you have, you know, untethered deregulated capitalists, and you have just complete fucking nihilists who don't give a fuck and just want to see it all burn for no reason other than that. And then you have a fairly organized and driven contingent of of Christians who are like, yeah, we'd like it to end for very specific reasons because we've done all we can hear and I'm on one of the good guys. And I'm ready for heaven. Fuck this noise. So that was sort of it. And I think that's a way to sort of frame, the this sort of obsession with right wing Zionism in Israel is that, you know, Pompeo a, yeah, he's he's he's on Jesus. And you know, the the reason in in that framework that Israel is so important is that they've got to get that landing strip cleared. They got it. You know, there's a Temple Mount there's a the dome of the rock is built on it. The temple must be rebuilt in order for Jesus to come back. I believe this is this is the way it goes. I don't have it sitting in front of me. But either way Israel is important to the evangi right because it's got to be stable and good for the landing. The problem is is obviously most rational people are upset about the nihilists frightened for the environment. When it comes to the capitalist and completely terrified because of the religious fanatics. I just wanted to pay a little lip service to the religious fanatics to the prophecy. Fulfillment policy and the evangelical wing of the Trump administration just saying Hello put that in your head roll it around. It's all connected. Okay. Sweet. So listen Phoebe Robinson is she's got a podcast called so many
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to be indicted on corruption charges
"Israel last night. The attorney general announced his intention to indict prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu on charges of bribery fraud and breach of trust. When then Yahoo becomes the first sitting prime minister of Israel to be indicted, pending a hearing for criminal offenses Roger McShane Middle East editor, and it's happening less than sixty days before an election. Exactly as Mr Netanyahu alleged to have done. So the potential charges stem from three cases, I you have case one thousand where he's alleged received expensive gifts from wealthy patrons in return for political favors. Then you have case two thousand where he sent to discuss colluding with the newspaper publisher he was going to curb one of their papers competitors in return that paper was gonna tone down its negative coverage of him and the mysterious cases case four thousand in which she's accused of intervening and regulatory decisions in favor of a company called basic and one of the websites that basic owns was going to provide glowing coverage in return, right? And how strong is the case against him. The cases would seem to be pretty strong. They've been in the works for three years, some of Mr. Netanyahu's closest aides have turned state witness, and you have an attorney general Abaci mandalit who was appointed by Netanyahu who was once Netanyahu's. Cabinet secretary. This isn't a man who seems to be out to get Netanyahu. He's quite deliberative. And I don't think he would take a shot at a sitting prime minister if he thought he was going to miss, and what does Mr Netanyahu have to say about all this. So he says he's completely innocent. He says investigations are going to collapse like a house of cards. He calls the witch hunt. He says the reports are corruption are fake news. Is this sounds a little bit familiar? Yes. There are a lot of people who say that Netanyahu's adopting the rhetoric of Trump. In fact, Netanyahu was was first to adopt this type of rhetoric. He's long been able to harness the politics of resentment for his own political gain. He says division and Stokes fear in order to whip up his supporters, and frankly, he's much better at it than Donald Trump. What happens next end this pending a hearing stuff? So legally Netanyahu's lawyers will have a chance to dispute decision. That seems unlikely to six. Exceed then you'll get formal charges, and then you'll get a trial, politically, we're going to have an election on April ninth and right now Netanyahu's coalition of right-wing and nationalist parties, which still probably get a majority in the next Knesset. But a new party a centrist party called blue and white is leading in the polls, and is gaining it would seem, but a lot can change before election day, and probably will Roger thanks very much. Thank you. This news of the planned indictment comes just as Mr Netanyahu was hoping to win another election and become Israel's longest serving prime minister. He spent a total of thirteen years leading the country, and is known for his grandiose speeches together, we've transformed bludgeoned Jewish people left for dead into a vibrant, thriving nation defending itself with the courage of modern mccabe's, some of his critics say he has a belligerent foreign policy has fostered prejudice among Israelis and that he's been intransigent on the issue of seeking peace with Palestinians. UCLA? Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas at the UN in two thousand fifteen blamed mister Netanyahu for undermining efforts toward a two state solution to the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Assess to shut up. So how has mister Netanyahu changed Israel during his long rule? I think BB more than reshaping Israel has put Israel much more on a path towards being a divided successful yet, very exhibitions and almost info big society. Actual Feffer has written a biography of Mr Netanyahu and reports for the economist from Israel Netanyahu is unique so far in being the only prime minister of Israel to have been born after the state's foundation his formative years both as a teenager and young men were made in the United States. And then in many ways form the way, he makes politics, what can you tell me about his early life and how that shaped his politics later? Well, he was brought up in a very political home. His father was an ideologue and a journalist working for the revisionist movement, which is the branch of the right wing branch of Zionism. And that was the atmosphere which shouldn't and yeah, it was brought up and that was fear of very bleak. Nationalist, politics, and how did his political career start? Well, listen ya'll be became into the public eye at a relatively young age as the brother of Israel's great hero in ninety seventy six Colonel Jonathan to who was killed in the famous Entebbe raid and his brother was the only Israeli soldier killed in that, right? He was one of the commanders of that. Right. And that thrust the family into the into the public spotlight over the next few years as part of the commemoration of the dead, brother. They they set up a think tank and BB became a speaker on issues of counter-terrorism and at the young age of thirty two he was offered to become the number two at Israel's embassy in Washington five years later when he left when he left it lower c- to become a full-time liquid politician. He already had quite a high, name recognition and Israel. He had a very polished television. Performance. We not that many Israeli politicians had that time. Tell me about that. How did he come to have that polish wasn't the now's diplomatic and political roles before becoming Likud leader were involved in presenting Israel's case to the world. His main political role was as a deputy foreign minister and his brief was was made public diplomacy. That was the time of the first Gulf war and the scene that everyone remembers from that from that period isn't into now sitting in the C N N CNN's local studio in Jerusalem. Deputy foreign Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is here with us during this rate Sumitomo and the into we're both sitting wearing gas masks during an air raid. I must say that this is the darnest way to conduct an interview and during his periods and power Wednesay had the most impact the main period, we continue I really has formed. Current Israel has been the last ten years in which he's been in power. He's won three consecutive elections in that time, and it's been a decade for for many aspects, a great decade for Israel. Israel's had uninterrupted economic growth. It's foreign relations of burgeon with countries from Africa to up to the theories to Latin America, even even Sunni Arab countries in the Middle East, which don't have diplomatic relations with Israel have improved that under the under the surface ties with Israel. They have a joint interest together into now in confronting Iran. For the first time in my lifetime. Many other states in the region. Recognize that Israel is not their enemy. They recognize that Israel is the ally. How have mister Netanyahu's US towards the Palestinians of all over? The course of his political career is used to have not vote in the course of his political career. If you read a book Netanyahu wrote twenty six years ago place among the nations, he explains then this was even before the Oslo process began he explains that the best solution for Israel is never to compromise with the Palestinians and allow them at the most to live in a semi autonomous and Claes in the West, Bank and Gaza never to allow them full state and to continue Israeli security control over the entire region. And as we've seen over the last ten years with into now in power he has paid lip service to the two-state solution. But in reality is nothing to go to good to go towards that solution, certainly not since Trump and to the White House. So a lot of. Have gone his way, but we're looking to an uncertain future here with us in indictment. If this is the end of his political career, what do you think is legacy will be slowly building and continuing to enhance Israel's perspective and military power. And it's relationships both in the region and across the world. Now, if it is forced to resign that legacy will still we'll still remain the other legacy of toxic buying relations between the different communities within Israel will certainly need detoxifying once. He leaves.
France, Parliament And Palestine discussed on BBC World Service
"Leaders amid a spate of antisemitic attacks in France. He said parliament would vote on a new law to tackle hatred on the internet vowed to dissolve three extreme right groups and made a key commitment that many had been waiting for. The anti Zionism was in modern form of anti semitism. He said and France would apply the definition adopted by the international holocaust remembrance alliance. In the past few months. There's been a spate of antisemitic attacks the disaggregation of graves and memorials and shop stooped with graffiti, including the German word udon one sees tags that we hadn't seen since the thirties. So we are in an anti semitic moment when must not exaggerate it. It's not death. But it's symbolically. Very shocking known to man is an expert in anti semitism at one of France's top political science, universities ceilings, po-, it's interesting because you see two peaks actually the first week is linked to what's going on in the occupied. Territories in Palestine is higher. Then the second peak was in November one started the social movement of the yellow vests because they favor the words of people who are against the state and then against the Jews because they assimilate the Jews to power.