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"zev jabotinsky" Discussed on Jewish History Matters

Jewish History Matters

05:24 min | 1 d ago

"zev jabotinsky" Discussed on Jewish History Matters

"The idea that a two state resolution to the israel palestine conflict is no longer possible is not really a new one. It has been after all a quarter century. Since the oslo agreements and pessimism seems to rain but lustick offers too powerful but potentially controversial ideas about the failure of the two state solution. I he places the blame directly on israel's settlement project and its territorial maximalism which has its roots in the history of the entire twentieth century conflict. For instance he points to zev. Jabotinsky is notion of the iron wall. The idea that would only negotiate with jews after they had been defeated which has had the paradoxical outcome that the repeated israeli victories over the decades have emboldened the israeli leadership so they have been less likely to come to the negotiating table. He also emphasizes the collective memory of the holocaust as a profound factor in israeli society. And the pro israel lobby in the us both of which emboldened israel's hawkish parties and make the israelis less likely to negotiate a two state solution. And secondly lustick who once was a proponent of the two state solution now says that it's a distraction from reality. He argues that there is and has long been just one st between the jordan river and the mediterranean sea the pursuit of a two state solution. He posits is an unrealizable dream when the real need is to push for rights and citizenship for all people living in this territory which is effectively one. St all of this is as he puts it shipped borrowing the language of the history of science and thomas in particular he talks about the fundamental structures of how we look at the world if we replace the paradigm of a two state solution with a new paradigm that of a one st reality. It totally changes the way that we look at the conflict. The questions we ask and the kinds of resolutions we might again. Not everyone is going to agree with..

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"zev jabotinsky" Discussed on Jewish History Matters

Jewish History Matters

02:00 min | 1 d ago

"zev jabotinsky" Discussed on Jewish History Matters

"The idea that a two state resolution to the israel palestine conflict is no longer possible is not really a new one. It has been after all a quarter century. Since the oslo agreements and pessimism seems to rain but lustick offers too powerful but potentially controversial ideas about the failure of the two state solution. I he places the blame directly on israel's settlement project and its territorial maximalism which has its roots in the history of the entire twentieth century conflict. For instance he points to zev. Jabotinsky is notion of the iron wall. The idea that would only negotiate with jews after they had been defeated which has had the paradoxical outcome that the repeated israeli victories over the decades have emboldened the israeli leadership so they have been less likely to come to the negotiating table. He also emphasizes the collective memory of the holocaust as a profound factor in israeli society. And the pro israel lobby in the us both of which emboldened israel's hawkish parties and make the israelis less likely to negotiate a two state solution. And secondly lustick who once was a proponent of the two state solution now says that it's a distraction from reality. He argues that there is and has long been just one st between the jordan river and the mediterranean sea the pursuit of a two state solution. He posits is an unrealizable dream when the real need is to push for rights and citizenship for all people living in this territory which is effectively one. St

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Is a Two State Solution Possible in Israel/Palestine?

Jewish History Matters

02:00 min | 1 d ago

Is a Two State Solution Possible in Israel/Palestine?

"The idea that a two state resolution to the israel palestine conflict is no longer possible is not really a new one. It has been after all a quarter century. Since the oslo agreements and pessimism seems to rain but lustick offers too powerful but potentially controversial ideas about the failure of the two state solution. I he places the blame directly on israel's settlement project and its territorial maximalism which has its roots in the history of the entire twentieth century conflict. For instance he points to zev. Jabotinsky is notion of the iron wall. The idea that would only negotiate with jews after they had been defeated which has had the paradoxical outcome that the repeated israeli victories over the decades have emboldened the israeli leadership so they have been less likely to come to the negotiating table. He also emphasizes the collective memory of the holocaust as a profound factor in israeli society. And the pro israel lobby in the us both of which emboldened israel's hawkish parties and make the israelis less likely to negotiate a two state solution. And secondly lustick who once was a proponent of the two state solution now says that it's a distraction from reality. He argues that there is and has long been just one st between the jordan river and the mediterranean sea the pursuit of a two state solution. He posits is an unrealizable dream when the real need is to push for rights and citizenship for all people living in this territory which is effectively one. St

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"zev jabotinsky" Discussed on The Jewish Story

The Jewish Story

02:43 min | Last month

"zev jabotinsky" Discussed on The Jewish Story

"Reflection he realized that there was perhaps no better way to begin extinguishing the flames of hatred which still smouldered between left and right and so two days later he returned to begin with a positive response and the result was an official barrel. Operation entitled zev jabotinsky returned to the homeland the coffins of zavagno on the jet ski were transported from new york on a plane with their first. Stop in paris there. They held a short ceremony in the presence of the prime minister and from paris it was onto tel aviv where the coffins were placed in herbert samuel square while an endless line of people passed to pay their respects and finally onto jerusalem where hundreds of thousands of people accompanied casket into its final resting place among them were israel's former prime minister speaker of the knesset the head of the supreme court. Of course the chief rabbis but at the head of the crowd bearing the standard of his great mentor was i root party leader. Menachem begin and just before the coffin was lowered into the ground. Mind you in a separate plot. South west of hertzel's grave and not in ben gurion's got do they mar big and removed abidine. Skis soared from his coffin and presented it to jab at tennessee. Institutes honor guard. The emotional event was actually beyond the symbolic. It was a turning point in the public attitude toward menachem megan which began become increasingly more positive and imported and in many ways it paves the way for his entry into the unity government of nineteen sixty seven. But that's an important story which lies ahead for now. Even in his retirement back there in stable care down. In the negative. Ben green could not lay down the sword of his enmity in an article in the labour newspaper. Davar nineteen sixty four. He wrote jabotinsky died. Twenty four years ago and few the nation know the true character in deeds of the man who begging calls generations among the means it uses to strengthen its influence in prestigious distortion of history. Perhaps it has to do so because since its creation. It has not contributed a single full project or concept to the strengthening of the state rise. Mainly on the generations teacher to perform this quote glorified labor of distortion and fabrications as the wisest of all men meeting solomon said. Love is as strong as death but what if hatred asp angering at the end of the article. That is apparently much stronger and one wonders if this.

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"zev jabotinsky" Discussed on The Jewish Story

The Jewish Story

06:25 min | Last month

"zev jabotinsky" Discussed on The Jewish Story

"To be buried or cremated. It is the same to me at the place in which death will find me my bones if i be buried outside of the land of israel should be transferred to the land of israel only express order of the jewish government of that country when it will be established. Those are the words from the last will and testament of zev jabotinsky written when he was living in paris in nineteen thirty five. If you don't remember who jabbed his was or why the great leader of revisionist. Zionism was in paris rather than jerusalem in nineteen. Thirty five than oily. I failed in my job. Co back and review the second half of season two or frankly right mean email. I'll try to fill you indirectly but for now we've gotta move forward in time not backwards. Jabotinsky actually died in the us five years after he wrote. Those words tragically in nineteen forty. Perhaps below was merciful and took him away before he could see the disaster which he had been shouting about for years and he was buried in the new york. Montefiore cemetery through the eyes of jewish history. His request to be reinterred in the lend. Israel's hardly exceptional. I mean many others had written the same in their wills before them and they merited to be buried or at least reburied here and even through the eyes of jewish politics. It wasn't so strange after all. The body of jabotinsky hero theodore hertzel was moved from its vienna grave to a hilltop on the edge of jerusalem in august of nineteen forty nine. The area around his grave was actually expanded quickly after into a plaza where they held the first independent day ceremony in nineteen fifty and when in nineteen fifty. Two ben grin ordered. The finance minister elliott a to be buried nearby in what he then named hell cut. Goulet omar the burial plot of the great of the nation. The first steps were taken toward mount hertzel becoming what it is today. Israel's national cemetery so there you might think that jeb is last requests would have been easily fulfilled and soon after hertzel he's remains would be transferred at the quote express order of the jewish government of that country. Now that it had indeed come into being you might think that but you would be wrong and you would be wrong because if you think that they don't appreciate how extremely personal israeli politics really are ben. Gurion had hated jabotinsky in his lifetime. They'd been fierce rivalry and at one point he gone. So is the call him. Vladimir hitler those are really fighting words for someone who lived through the holocaust and the grudge didn't end with death like i said is really politics then and now are all about the personal. Maybe that's true everywhere. But somehow i feel like the sort of a family argument that we are is a little bit more bitter. I mean after all one route of the antagonism between current prime minister bibi netanyahu and president ruby rivlin was dispute between their followers over an academic job with only one of them can have that holds no candle to the bad blood between the and not in the goon the left wing and right wing. Underground armies between ben grin and jabba pinski. They're both leaders and spiritual mentors and after all. We know if you've listened to season two that did not shrink from spilling revisionist blood when it was a question of maintaining their power. And i mentioned at the beginning of the episode ben green campaign slogan without i root and without machi but recognized that this rejectionism wasn't just confined to politics and coalition formation. Ben wanted the history of the state to be told with out the memory of his rivals and that meant without jabotinsky bones. When member of knesset more moral of the religious means rocky party. i propose to bangor in nineteen fifty one. the deputies will be honored. His response was quote. The land needs living jews. Not dead bones now. This was despite the long history of jews being buried in the land of his. Despite the fact that hertzel had been moved back. Ben graham himself overseen the moving of the remains of zionist leaders. Knock him soccer love. David wolfson back to israel in the first years of the state but despite these rejections their quest continued in fifty two debutants. He's former secretary. And professor of law. Benyamin zine tried his luck in fifty four interior minister. Israel of the general zionist party. Made another lee this time ben. Gurion response was quote. Man originates in ashes. An end and ashes is desirable and better that he rests where he dies trust me it rhymes in hebrew but either way you can hear the bitterness of it and these are only some of the requests now as is going on you should recognize the revisionist were all but written out of the official history of the state so much. So that there are veterans. Had deformed self help groups in order to replace the nonexistent government support. Which did go to those who fought in the haganah. In their leader menachem begin was consigned to what seemed at this point to be a permanent role in the political wilderness. But all this like so many other things began to change with the schools election in nineteen sixty three election. He's appointment because in addition to his passion for agriculture and his well-known good nature lasko had a great desire to rule through unity and not through division and the first zap or at least one of the first steps toward healing risks within. His young society was reach out directly to menachem begin and establish a regular meeting with him in fact on the very day that esco married his third wife librarian medium liquids. He met with bacon later the same day and it was at this meeting where big begging presented the prime minister. With javid skis will and requested the immediate fulfillment of his final request. Ask responded that he himself headed meyer jabotinsky in his youth and ask for a little bit of time to consider their quest.

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"zev jabotinsky" Discussed on The Jewish Story

The Jewish Story

05:29 min | 9 months ago

"zev jabotinsky" Discussed on The Jewish Story

"He would later Labor Oppenheimer as a crybaby scientists in order his secretary of state never to quote, bring that son of a bitch in his office ever again. But what the president didn't understand was that Oppenheimer's tears were not so much for the wartime. Deaths of the Japanese which Truman wanted to dismiss, they were over the deaths of untold millions. He saw dying in some future apocalypse. 'cause truth of the matter. Truman couldn't have been more wrong once the atomic genie was out of the bottle. It was just a matter of time to spread. In fact, it's spread had actually begun before the war ended because the Americans may have taken the lead in the technological race, but the awareness of the power and potential of nuclear weapons was no secret net meant that they were other countries not so far behind the Soviet Union began its research. Research early in the war, and the bombing of Nagasaki only added fuel to their fire by Hook or by Crook they were determined not to be left behind in by nineteen forty nine only four years later, they'd made their first nuclear test. We actually saw a bit of the sort of Jewish crossover in the story of the Russian bomb through the rosenbergs spiced, or if you remember, you can go back to season three episode ten for the details. But, the story of the Israeli bomb is not connected to the Soviet program, and it's only marginally related to the American bomb actually. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, forty, four, before the war's end in the French embassy in Ottawa a meeting took place between General Charles de Gaulle and nuclear scientists, Jill, giral and Bertran Goldschmidt. At the end of that meeting goal turned Goldman, and he said thank you now I understand exactly. And what the goal understood once the bomb existed there would be a new hierarchy in the international world. Those who had the bomb and everyone else or as he'd write later in his World War Two memoirs France CanNot Be France without greatness. Now in Israel, it was prime minister, Ben Gurion a great admirer of the goal who was actually the first to appreciate the reality of this coming new world order. and. Of course he wasn't after greatness, and this is a man who wore open collared shirts and Baggy Pants and died not in poverty, certainly far from wealthy. No Ben Greens aim wasn't greatness. It was life insurance and it wasn't personal. It was national, because as all angriest close aides knew his private nightmare in the early years of the state was of a second Holocaust and this time at the hands of the Arabs. It's the show that won't go away because if you read the news, we have a prime minister right now. Now who perhaps rightly fears third Holocaust, at the hands of Persian nuclear bomb, so Ben Green was persuaded that as long as Arabs thought that they could destroy the Jewish state, there would be no peace and no recognition of Israel. Ironically, it was an extension of his old enemy. Zev Jabotinsky concept of the Iron Wall once we learned to stand firm, then peace will come, but so long as there's a scent of live in the water, it will never be along with many others rallies both in leadership, level and the rank. Rank and file of the country, then Greens Mancha became Ain Brera there is no alternative since our backs to the wall, and we're surrounded by implacable enemies. There's no choice but to be ready at all times to strike the first indecisive blow, or even better like motions Zion said to be seen as a mad dog too dangerous to mess with because reality is, there may not be the chance for a second round to this very day Israeli national security strategies founded on the premise that Israel cannot afford to lose a single war. War even a battle as seen as a disaster, and of course, the best way never lose a war is not to fight it in the first place, and that's why deterrence is essential to national security, if make, deterrence should fail God forbid, since we have no strategic depth to speak of that outcome of the war has to be determined quickly decisively, and preferably on the territory of our enemies, and I'm sure. Would you put those pieces together? You can understand how nuclear weapons are the perfect fulfillment of that national? Security Strategy Now it's well known that along with this sense of eight Gov. The Prime Minister had a second principle that guided his defense doctrine. Israel's a tiny country and he saw that it could only survive in the hostile world with a great power patron, and as we saw back earlier in this episode in the nineteen fifties. That great power was France. Now what's interesting is that despite their status as an allied nation in the fight against the Nazis and their role as a founding member in the NATO alliance, the North American Treaty Organization, which stood against the Soviet Union poker war to the French nuclear ambitions, received downright cold shoulder from the United States, frankly, the Americans viewed the fringes atomic energy commission, which was often under control of the French Communist Party as being riddled with Soviet agents, and so France was forced to pursue a policy of atomic independence if they wanted to realize two goals vision of greatness, and they received absolutely no American help. No American help actually plenty of.

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"zev jabotinsky" Discussed on The Tel Aviv Review

The Tel Aviv Review

08:02 min | 11 months ago

"zev jabotinsky" Discussed on The Tel Aviv Review

"Until June nineteen ninety-three, and for our purposes most importantly, he's the author of seven books prior to the latest one which we will be discussing today. It's called the Hundred Years War. On Palestine. History of settler, colonialism and resistance now seventeen to twenty, seventeen published by metropolitan. Books in two. Thousand Twenty Rasheed Holiday. Welcome back to the Tel Aviv review. Thanks for having me back. So I. Want to open up by talking about the form or format of this book. You are writing this book as a historian, but not only. You've woven in a memoir. Making this rather personal, it's not just somebody's history or even. The People's history is also your personal history. Why did you decide to develop the book in this way? Were you trying to in some way? Challenge the historian of the conflict as well as historical ideas. Well I. I was I was under the influence of of my son in particular. Who said to me that? He thought I had written enough. Academic. Dry monographs and that it was time to write something a little more personal. And to bring in some of my own experiences, some of the stuff that I would use a sources, but in a different way including family material and so I. Reluctantly and with difficulty, acceded to this suggestion which he helped helped me to devise instructor for the book. and. I was trying to challenge a certain kind of historiographer. at at the same time and I don't know if that that succeeds because I'm making an argument that many historians don't find terribly controversial, but that many other people probably will, and at the same time I'm trying to make this a a narrative, this approachable and relatable for people who are not may be academics or specialists or historians. What is the thing you think? Historians do not find controversial, but the general reader might. Well, I mean in the in the very title is this. Is this This argument at this is a this is a struggle involves colonialism. This would not have been something that would have been controversial to anybody in the issue of in the Nineteen Twenty S or nineteen thirties. They understood that this was the same time that they saw it. As a national project that it was a colonial project, the word colonial was was commonly used as a self-described description but it's something that in the wake of the establishment of Israel in Post Network era is diminished actually. Actually in the Post World War Two era is banished from people's consciousness, and is now seen as almost an insult or a or a or a slur, to suggest that this is not just a national renewal project, or however Zionism wants to self described, but rather was an is a settler colonial project. Isn't it more a question of semantics than actual historiographer? Because you know, it's the evolution of the sociopolitical context of colonialism. After, decolonisation et CETERA. It's not so much the the facts themselves, but you interpret them. Well I think that the the point that I try and make here is that this is a common process for successful set or colonial. A project, which is to say that they normalize, they become national of the United States is set Nicole. New Project I'm sitting here. Looking on an island called Manhattan looking out my window and an island that was called Manhattan that's not an anglo-saxon. The that's that's a native American name. This is or colonial project. It's a successful. There is an American national entity that was created by. There's an Israeli national entity that was created by the Zionist project. There's nothing in that I eat. There's nothing contradictory between the idea that several co project should become a successful national project. How many of those are there these days? I'm trying to think after decolonisation. How many countries can you look around the world and say this country is the product of colonialism and is still governed or or inhabited primarily by the colonists, mainly white Anglo Saxon settler colonies, a New Zealand Australia United States and Canada You could argue that one of the rare cases where a settler colonial project was fundamentally revised would be South Africa maybe some east African countries. which were original, originally meant to be whites or colony colonies have developed in a different fashion, but those are the only ones I argue in the book designs. is unique and the struggle between Zionist project and the. Palestinians is unique in many other different ways. I mean for one thing. You don't have a Bible in South Africa or North America well. Let's go back many other. Reasons for the differences on you don't have a people. That's a direct extension of the Metropole. The way you do in France or in North America. British subjects come to North America French. North Africa and they see those colonies as extensions of the mother country. the the settlers who come to Palestine are trying to set up something completely separate from any. They have no other country as it were so it's unique in many many respects. Hope talk about some of the ways in which the unique and I want to go back to what you said in the beginning, which is that in the early years of Zionist project that would not have been a controversial thing to say, and I notice that in the introduction you sight Zev Jabotinsky from Nineteen twenty-three, referring to the Palestinian Arabs as trying to resist colonization in. In his words, and so the question is. Do you think that by that? He meant it in the way we mean today, which is in a negative pejorative sense like what a terrible thing this is colonialism, and of course they're trying to resist it or he have said yes. We're colonial project because we are desperate for a state, and that's the way states are built. Either that or territorial conquest, and we can't do territorial conquest. So this is what we're going to do. No he would have said just what you said he did. Say it. Isn't it great and become a spokesperson for dividends key? The other thing about Jabotinsky and his brutal honesty was an I. Mean you? You can find multiple multiple statements to this effect. Is it. Is it first of all as as you suggested he said. We have no alternative. We have to do this. We need an iron wall. provided by somebody else to enable us to establish this this colonial endeavor, but that. Of course this is our country belongs to us and we. We have no alternative. The other point to make about Jefferson skiing people in the twenties and thirties is this was the high age of European colonialism European colonialism was still extending in the post. World War One era after reside the the colonial powers extended their their their grip over the world. Questionable right. So much settler colonialism colonialism, buying large is an earlier phenomenon, is it? That's correct. That is correct inside China zone is the last gasp up white European settlers colonialist and Tony Judge, said it sort of missed the bus. It comes later. than all the ones that were much more successful in much earlier I mean they start here in the seventeenth century. North there. they started Australia in the eighteenth century in Palestine late nineteenth, so it is, it is in that respect in anomaly, but as late as the twenties and thirties, colonialism was still not in bad older. It was only. Really after World War Two in the era of decolonization that the world changed and Zionism changed its tune partly because they're doing this conflict with the British starting with the nineteen thirty nine White Paper until that point Zionism was, the cuddled Stepchild at British Columbia's However, much they they cobbled and complained about the British, not doing enough without British support. Support designers could not have established itself in Palestine in the twenties and thirties right up to nineteen thirty nine, and at that point, the conflict with the British lead Zionist to see themselves as fighting colonialism, and so it worked perfectly for them in in the era of decolonization, they could say we are fighting British colonials. It was a wonderful transformation for now..

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"zev jabotinsky" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

WNYC 93.9 FM

01:57 min | 3 years ago

"zev jabotinsky" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

"To the us he spent most of his adult like in the us whitney hours a teenager and bibi netanyahu the third generation of netanyahu's is the first one who actually made into public life so let's rewind for a second because a couple of times you you you use the word zionism and i just want you to if you could define zionism in the context of the establishment of israel well in my view is a program it was a program that became started to be articulated the end of the nineteenth century will we see heritage as being the founder of political i didn't he wasn't actually the first zionist ideologue but he did put zionism into a more organized framework he sets up the congress designs movement and it was a it was a programmatic movement was a movement which was that to establish a sovereign state in the ancient jewish homeland of which was then called palestine some people called it other things it was at the time just a province in the republic ottoman empire until nineteen seventeen when britain overtook it as part the first world war and the program is a program was always hotly contested both within the movement is is the best way to to to further the movements aims is it through diplomacy is it through building a kibbutz settlements and industry in palestine is it bhai through through force of military by raising a jewish frightening enforce which would which would which would actually conquer pakistan from the british and safeguarded from its arab neighbors who didn't want to see zionism becoming a reality so in that sense netanyahu's father and grandfather and to this day the ideology is part of the right wing of zionism it's a very militaristic nationalist brand design is which has which was influenced by various movements in in the early twentieth century in europe jabber zev jabotinsky it's it's founder some people accused him of being a fascist he himself disavowed fascism.

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