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Day 256 (Daniel 1-3)

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09:27 min | Last week

Day 256 (Daniel 1-3)

"Hey bible readers. I'm terribly kabul. And i'm your host for the bible recap the major prophet. Daniel lived through some of the most well known old testament stories and wrote some of the most perplexing old testament prophecies before we talk about his book. Let's talk about him as a person. Daniel's life and ministry spanned the entire seventy year period of babylonian captivity and he was one of the people deported. he handled his circumstances. Well though really well he was a man of prayer faith courage and integrity and ezekiel another major prophet who lives during the same time period had only good things to say about him as for his book. The first half is filled with the stories. We know and love. And it's referred to as ope literature. The back half of the book is filled with apocalyptic prophecies. So this is sometimes referred to as the apocalypse of the old testament. What does that word mean anyway. The greek word apocalypse. This is where we get our english word revelation so the book of revelation in the new testament is actually named apocalypse. We associate that word with destruction and war but its original meaning is quite different. It means to reveal or to unveil things previously unknown aunts revelation and. That's exactly what daniel is doing. In these apocalyptic prophecies he reveals to us what god has revealed to him about. God's plan for the future a lot of what god reveals to him is revealed in dreams and visions. Let's jump into chapter one around the time. Daniela sixteen and getting his camels license. King nebbi and the babylonians destroy his hometown of jerusalem. They take a bunch of things from temple before they flatten it and they also take lots of people captive daniel and three of his friends included. They're deported from jerusalem. Tabatabai nearly a thousand miles away. That's roughly the distance between nashville and montreal. Nebi wants the gold star captives to be trained up in babylon's best schools and fed like kings literally. This isn't a generous move on. Debbie's part though. It's how captors make their captives loyal to them. It's indoctrination and it's goal is stockholm syndrome. Then after the captives are sufficiently indoctrinated. They send them back to their homelands so they can win. Other people over to their side for daniel. The hard part about being forced fed like a king is that the king does not keep kosher meaning. He doesn't eat. According to the jewish dietary laws god commanded. But why would he so. Daniel puts his negotiating skills to work with his overseers and promises that he and his three friends won't lose weight if they avoid wine and meat and in fact they don't they get that are in flesh from their vegan. Diet though i'm guessing that's not the goal of most people who do the daniel fast since they didn't lose weight. Daniels overseers agree to let him and his friends vegans. God does a lot of giving in chapter one. He gives daniels overseers compassion. He gives daniel and his three friends skill and wisdom and he also gives daniel a gift for interpreting dreams and visions so of course king. Nebi loves daniel. It might be like discovering. You've deported. mister rogers. In fact he loves all the guys. And they're overseer takes away their names that point to alway and assigns them new names that seemed to point to the babylonian gods instead they become shadrack meshack and abednego and daniel becomes belshazzar. We'll keep calling him daniel though especially because there's also a belshazzar later in this book in chapter two king nebi has a nightmare. It's so bad. He calls a staff meeting about it. And says i don't just want you to tell me the interpretation. I want you to tell me the dream itself and anyone who can't will lose their job because you have to be alive to have a job and you won't be but no one's omniscient and there's no such thing as hr yet so nebi orders that all the wise men the whole priestly class including daniel and his friends be dismembered. Even though some of them weren't even there dana zych hold the phone. You need a dream explained. Put me on your calendar. i'm your guy. Then he and his friends. Beg god for mercy because daniel knows that only god can do what's required and daniel's life is at stake literally. God answers his prayer with a yes and daniel erupts in praise and gratitude when he goes in front of nebi. He's the picture of humble confidence. He says what you've asked for is impossible for any human. But god can do it and he has then. Daniel explains the dream in its meaning. It's a dream of a big statue made of different substances each substance representing a different kingdom. Nebi and babylon are the gold head than there are some other kingdoms in the statues body that are decreasing in value but increasing in strength from head to foot the feet are a mixture of clay and iron which represents a divided kingdom then when the two kingdom is the ruling power. The statue smashed by a big rock. Which almost certainly represents jesus. Then god establishes his eternal kingdom on earth daniel nails the interpretation and the king is blown away he bows to daniel and gives him presence and promotion but nebi ultimately pays tribute to ya way as the one true. God daniel has such favor with the king that he even gets his three friends. Promotions to and the wise men aren't dismembered either array. Everyone wins but then in chapter three nebi sets up a ninety foot gold statue. You really takes that dream and runs with it. Like gods said i'm the gold head so let's do this whether this statue is of nebi himself or of a babylonian god or of something else. The connection is clear is making an idol of his own identity. You so prideful. That he misses the entire point of the dream. Which is your kingdoms are temporary and god is sovereign over them all. He orders everyone to worship statue even inviting foreign dignitaries to join them but daniels three pows or like. that's definitely not kosher. Despite the fact that nebi promises a fiery death to anyone who doesn't bow down to his statue they resist some people tattle on shad me and abednego and nebi furious but he gives him another chance. They say that's going to be a no for me dog. And we know you're going to try to kill us for it but we have a hunch we're gonna survive because we know what god is capable of regardless of what god chooses to do we will worship him and only him. This is another example of confident humility. There's zero entitlement in their statement. They're not demanding. Anything from god in response nebi is so offended. Maybe because he just gave them promotions that he says to turn at the fire as high as it will go for them. Sometimes when we obey things get worse and in fact the fire is so hot that the people who are responsible for tying them up and putting them into it are burned alive in they go and they should die on the spot but somehow they're up and walking around in the fire unbound and they brought a plus one. Some people like king nebi believed this was an angel others believe it was a christophe that god the son was the one in the fire with them. Nebi is shocked. Obviously so he orders them out when they come out unbound. They don't even smell like smoke. And if you've ever sat by a campfire you know that's a miracle. Speaking of which the only thing the fire did to them was set them free from the things that bound them reminds me of what we read in. Isaiah forty three two. It says when you walk through the fire you shall not be burned and the flame shall not consume you after all this nebi not only repents but commands everyone else to rip it and worship away to mike. God shot was in daniels prayer of praise in two twenty three twenty three. After god gives him the dream in the interpretation he lists out a bunch of things. God is sovereign over wisdom strength timing authorities knowledge understanding gifting revelation and site and in. Just three chapters. We've seen god display his sovereignty in all of those areas. I'm going to read through the list. One more time. See if you can think of some ways you've seen in display his total authority and control over these things in your life and maybe for you. It wasn't a life or death situation but maybe it was or maybe it was just when you were having a hard day and needed to be reminded of his love. Here's the list again. Wisdom strength timing authorities knowledge understanding gifting 's revelation and site as daniel said blessed. Be the name of god forever. And ever. And as i say he's where the joy is. Do you wanna see scripture come alive in three d. Do you want to visit some of the places we've been reading about. We want to take you to israel with us if you want to find out more about our trips visit the bible recap dot com and click on the israeli. Just fill out the interest form. Then we'll send you the details. You can also check for lincoln today. Shown us the bible recap is brought to you by discipleship and bible study groups that meet in homes and churches around the world each week.

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Day 256 (Daniel 1-3) - Year 2

The Bible Recap

09:27 min | 1 year ago

Day 256 (Daniel 1-3) - Year 2

"Hey Bible readers I'm Tara Lee Kabul, and I'm your host for the Bible. Recap. The major prophet Daniel lived through some of the most well known Old Testament stories and wrote some of the most perplexing Old Testament prophecies before we talk about his book let's talk about him as a person. Daniel's life and ministry spanned the entire seventy year period of Babylonian captivity and he was one of the people deported. He handled his circumstances well, though really well, he was a man of prayer faith courage and integrity and Ezekiel another major prophet who lived during the same time period had only good things to say about him. As for his book, the first half is filled with the stories we know and love, and it's referred to, as hope literature. The back half of the book is filled with apocalyptic prophecies. So this is sometimes referred to as the apocalypse of the Old Testament what does that word mean? Anyway, the Greek word apocalypse this is where we get our English word revelation. So the book of revelation in the New Testament is actually named apocalypse. We associate that word with destruction and war, but its original meaning is quite different. It means to reveal or to unveil things previously unknown INS- revelation, and that's exactly what Daniel is doing in these apocalyptic prophecies. He reveals to us what God has revealed to him about God's plan for the future. A lot of what God reveals to him is revealed in dreams and visions. Let's jump into chapter one. Around the time Daniela Sixteen and getting his camels license King Nebbi and the Babylonians destroy his hometown of Jerusalem they take a bunch of things from simple before they flatten it and they also take lots of people captive Daniel and three of his friends included there deported from Jerusalem to Babylon nearly a thousand miles away. That's roughly the distance between Nashville Montreal. Nebi wants the gold star captive to be trained up in Babylon's best schools and fed like kings literally. This isn't a generous move on his part though it's how captors make their captives loyal to them. It's indoctrination and its goal is Stockholm Syndrome then after the captives are sufficiently indoctrinated, they send them back to their homelands. So they can win other people over to their side for. Daniel. The hard part about being forced fed like a king is that the king does. Not Keep Kosher meaning he doesn't eat according to the Jewish dietary laws God commanded but why would he so Daniel puts his negotiating skills to work with his overseers and promises that he and his three friends won't lose weight if they avoid wine and meat, and in fact, they don't they get that are in flesh from their Vegan Diet though I'm guessing that's not The goal of most people who do the Daniel. Fast since they didn't lose weight Daniels overseers agree to let him and his friends vegans God does a lot of giving in chapter one he gives Daniels overseers compassion he gives Daniel and his three friends skill and wisdom, and he also gives Daniel a gift for interpreting dreams and visions so of course, King Nebi loves. Daniel it might be like discovering you've deported Mr. Rogers in fact, he loves all the guys and their overseer takes away their names that pointy alway and assigns them new names that seemed to point to the Babylonian Gods. Instead they become shadrack, Michele and Abednego and Daniel Becomes Delta Schatzer we'll keep calling him daniel though especially because there's also a Belshazzar later in this book In chapter to King Nebi has a nightmare. It's so bad. He calls a staff meeting about it and says, I don't just want you to tell me the interpretation I want to tell me the dream itself and anyone who can't will lose their job because you have to be alive to have a job and you won't be but no one's omniscient and there's no such thing as hr yet. So nebi orders that all the wise men, the whole priestly class including Daniel and his friends be dismembered even though some of them weren't even there. Daniil Zych hold the phone you need a dream explained, put me on your calendar I'm your guy. Then he and his friends Beg God for mercy because Daniel knows that only God can do what's required and Daniel's life is at stake literally. God answers his prayer with a yes and Daniel erupts in praise and gratitude when he goes in front of Nebbi, he's the picture of humble confidence. He says what you've asked for is impossible for any human, but God can do it and he has. Then, Daniel explains the dream in its meaning. It's a dream of big statue made of different substances each substance representing a different kingdom Nebi in Babylon are the gold head than there are some other kingdoms and the statues body that are decreasing in value, but increasing in strength from head to foot. The feet are mixture of clay and iron, which represents a divided kingdom. Then when the two kingdom is the ruling power, the statue smashed by a big rock, which almost certainly represents Jesus. Then God establishes his eternal kingdom on earth. Daniel nails the interpretation and the king is blown away. He bows to Daniel and gives him presence and a promotion but Nebi ultimately pays tribute to Ya'll way as the one true God. Daniel. Has such favor with the king that he even gets his three friends promotions to and the wise men aren't dismembered either array everyone wins. But then been chapter three, Nebi sets a ninety foot gold statue. You really takes that dream and runs with it like Gods said I'm the gold head. So let's do this. Whether this statute is of Nebbi himself or of a Babylonian God or of something else the connection is clear he's making an idol of his own identity. You so prideful that he misses the entire point of the dream, which is your kingdoms are temporary and God is sovereign over them all. He orders everyone to worship his statue even inviting foreign dignitaries to join them but Daniels three POWs like that's definitely not kosher. Despite the fact that Nebi promises a fiery death to anyone who doesn't go down to his statue they resist. Some people tattle on shadrack and Abednego and Nebi furious but he gives him another chance. They say that's going to be a no from me dog and we know you're going to try to kill us for it but we have a hunch we're gonNA survive because we know what God is capable of regardless of what God chooses to do. We will worship him and only him. This is another example of confident humility. There's zero entitlement in their statement they're not demanding anything from God in response Nebbi is so offended maybe because he just gave them promotions that he says to turn at the fire as high as it will go for them. Sometimes when we obey things get worse and in fact, the fire is so hot that the people who are responsible for tying them up and putting them into it are burned alive in they go and they should die on the spot, but somehow they're up and walking around in the fire unbound and they brought a plus one some people like King Nebi believe this was an angel. Others believe it was Christoph that God the son was the one in the fire with them. Nebbi is shocked obviously. So he orders them out when they come out unbound they don't even smell like smoke and if you've ever sat by a campfire, you know that's a miracle speaking of which the only thing the fire did to. Them was set them free from the things that bound them. Reminds me of what we read in as Ahah, forty-three to it says, when you walk through the fire, you shall not be burned and the flame shall not consume you. After all this Nebi, not only repents but commands everyone else to rip it and worship to. Mike God shot was Daniels prayer of praise in two, twenty, twenty three after God gives him the dream in the interpretation. He lists out a bunch of things. God is sovereign over wisdom strength, timing authorities, knowledge understanding, gifting revelation, and sight, and in just three chapters we've seen God, display his sovereignty in all of those areas. I'm going to read the list one more time. See if you can think of some ways you've seen in display his total authority control over these things in your life, and maybe for you, it wasn't a life or death situation, but maybe it was or maybe it was just when you were having a hard day and needed to be reminded of his love. Here's the list again. Wisdom Strength Timing authorities knowledge understanding gifting revelation, and sight. As Daniel said. Blessed be the name of God forever and ever. And as I say, he's wear the joy is. Do. You WanNa see scripture come alive in Three D. do you want to visit some of the places we've been reading about? We want to take you to Israel with us if you want to find out more about our trips, visit the Bible Recap Dot Com and click on the Israel link just fill out the interest form them. We'll send you the details. You can also check for Lincoln today's shown us. The Bible recap is brought to you by degrade discipleship and Bible study groups that meet in homes and churches around the world each week.

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My Wife and I Are Struggling With Our Money and Marriage (Hour 1)

The Dave Ramsey Show

40:22 min | 3 months ago

My Wife and I Are Struggling With Our Money and Marriage (Hour 1)

"Lie headquarters of ramsey solutions broadcasting from the dollar car rental studios. It's the ramsey show. Were net is dumb. Cash is king and the paid off home mortgage has taken the place super bmw as the status symbol of choice. I'm dave ramsey your host my co host today ramsey personality number one bestselling author anthony. O neil host of the ever popular. Youtube show. Exploding called the table. The tables not exploding but the popularity is so you can check him out there on youtube anytime and of course check out his advice here today on the air. If you wanna talk to us the call is free and some say the advices worth exactly what you pay for it. The phone numbers triple eight. Eight to five five two two five. That's triple eight eight to five five two two five. Victor is in dallas. Hi victor how are you my man. I'm doing good. How about yourself better than i deserve. How can we help. So i have a fourteen thousand dollar Debt remaining on my car financially afford and sell it today for about twenty two thousand dollars And just keep the cash and use that to buy another car and have a little bit of money. Leftover Me and my wife are both in grad school so our cash flow and that and just paying that pocket so that extra money could be helpful. The complicating factor is that. I don't actually pay the monthly note on my car. My dad pays it for me every month and it sounds like three years and he's never missed a payment to really good with it So i'm not actually like spending that money but the car is my name and i think that's it What are you guys make. What's your household income. So we make about forty two thousand dollars. When will you graduate from grad school. So i'll be done in next year. I don't know whether it's going to be in the summer. And the fall. It kind of just depends on how much course what i can handle. But i'll be done next year for sure and just don't know what semester and my wife has about another two years probably and we're both in seminary. She's doing counseling to be an l. p. c. and i'm just getting a general theology degrees For the past and that kind of stuff can't sell it now when you sell it have a conversation which dad and make sure that he's not gonna wet part Some of the proceeds. Oh no he. I talked to him already. He like if you sell it. You can keep all the cash. And i'll send you whatever i would pay for the car to you just in cash as a gift to like appropriate for school. So he said he would give me that and we'll have that as well. I like your dad. How much how much is your car. Payment my carpenters. Maybe like four thirty. I don't actually know. I've never made the payment but it's somewhere between four and five hundred thousand eighteen mustang though okay. Here's here's one basing that on your income is low for someone driving a twenty thousand dollar car and it's going to stay low for a while if you told me you were getting ready to graduate in the fall. Well everything's very changed. Then we're not gonna make a decision based on what's happening today. 'cause it's gonna change real soon but it sounds like you got a couple more years of this and not having this around your neck or your dad's neck or anything else Would be really handy. So the rule of thumb is don't have too much invested even if it's paid for in things that are going down in value one definition of too much invested as anything with wheels. Motors added together equally more than half. Your annual income is generally too much invested. So if you make fifty thousand dollars a year about thirty thousand dollars boats that's under the stupid column. Okay and you make forty thousand dollars. Got twenty two thousand dollar car. Now you're not paying it and that you know and that's nice and all of that but just getting rid of an asset. That's going the wrong way while your income stays in the forties for the next two years is a wise thing. Yeah yeah. And he's come out with by aka dave so i mean i'm i'm buying a five thousand dollar car cash five or six something like that and and you know and then the four hundred goes in your budget instead of going into the bank. There you go so it's almost as if you got rid of a car payment. Yeah since your dad's gonna continue to the money. That's very generous him with anthony. That's very nice. It'd be supporting me proud that he's going into the seminary and you know she's trying to be there to help him walk with him through the process and that's good so as a father day what would you like. What would you like to see him do with that. Four hundred dollars that. He's getting from his father every month. I think i think the young guys got a pretty good handle on. His budget already absolutely. He's out of data. i mean he was. There's nothing here that indicates he's lacking in frugality So i i think what do you think i mean i i agree with you. I mean i'm parking in it. I'm gonna use it toward school. Is going in the budget. The monthly budget for food lights water school. Yeah cash school. And now we're four hundred dollars up. I mean if not to three and we don't have something that we own that over the next two years while we drive it's gonna lose eight thousand dollars value absolutely. You know which is what happens to these. Thinks they go down like a rock. That's where chevy got that like a rock but you know a day some of our listeners. Sam but dave he's not paying for i know but he is paying for right when you twenty two thousand and you turned into twelve right. That's paying for it anytime you do that. You're going the wrong direction. Are tony's weather's tony is in sacramento. Hi tony how are you. Hey thank you so much for taking my call how you doing there. I'm doing well thank you. So my question is this Our parents in law had just offered us to live for. You know vacant home. They have Own so they own several properties in this one is you bake and they wanted to steal our house. Stack that cash that we made on equity live there. Rent free walmart wife finishes nursing school this december and We don't know where we want to be located. Just because when she gets done with nursing school we get a better idea wherever we want to like. Settle and we know. There's not going to be rather home so she we take that offer. It's tough for me. Anything what what what parents in. I get a little nervous especially when i hear free Just 'cause i don't want something to go left and credit from day but if something goes left they don't like then they can kick me out. You know i. I'm fifty fifty right here. I'm a little nervous out your house your relationship. It's pretty good so My my parents had helped all of the other siblings and they just were the youngest one now so they had help all the other siblings like they were living rent-free also they're not they're not controlling people no absolutely not. They're very helpful. Anthony concern and that's a valid concern. Yeah i'm probably going to take it since it's a quality relationship with quality people and it for its first short term and your game plan is. You're going to be moving anyway in six to nine months anyway right right and so you just pop up the cash. Are you guys out of debt. We don't have in the world. So i did like when i bought this house. I get close with her sister in law. Because i have no credit because i never had a credit card at all. So she's under the loan. Also because i get rid of that great who exactly exactly. How much money do you have in your savings account right now. Tony right now without feeling the homeless forty k. Oh yeah yeah. I agree with you. Yeah you're you're gonna you know you're just cashing out while the market's hot and you're gonna put the money in the bank for your next move in this next transition. There's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing huge huge advantage Basically your monthly payment is your advantage for six months. And that's that's enough reason to do it. As long as everybody stays on their side of the fench good boundaries with the with the relatives. Then this can be okay. This is the ramsey show. Technology should make your life easier and it shouldn't break the bank. That's why i'm excited to tell you about simply safe's incredible security camera. It automatically records evidence if there's a break in and you can live stream footage to your phone anytime you want. I'm talking around the clock. Professional monitoring with no long term contract get a free hd security camera when you order at simplisafe direct dot com new episodes of the table with anthony. Oneal air every monday. How to set a clear vision for your future everything you need to know about success and how you go from looking fake rich to really becoming wealthy lot of people can fake rich and absolutely you know what dave. i think. You'd be very proud of me. I know you probably listen to show but this week show is at ten things you shouldn't do with your paycheck and i literally right down verbatim as our loan show and literally talk about. Here's what you need to do with every time you get paid. Cover your four walls. Do this do that And the response is insane already at twenty five thousand views and twenty four hours. Wow i literally go through the basics because people want look rich. When i went to help people. Hey here's how you build wealth and it's a solid foundation so tom stanley the wrote the millionaire next door. The last book he wrote before he passed away Wrote wrote a book called. Stop acting rich there. It is any went through the statistical mathematical evidence. 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No he's My question i'm really clueless down to be honest So by Parents have an eighteen year. Each difference and there is a so obviously recently. We've had some conversations about wills and things like that and My family cottage. It's really important to us It's been our family for generations and it really means a lot to our everyone in our family however I was speaking to my mom. Who doesn't she doesn't have a job and she expressed that she would be interested in selling it after. God forbid the passing of my father especially if she needed money and i'm really wondering what is the right as a child. You have to interfere in that ninety zero. Not your stuff. Why do you think you do. I don't know. I just so hard seeing something that meant so much to everyone in our family possibly not being in our family much. Is it worth a lot. it's just done a really big of land and probably upwards a million won't you yourself some of the land and keep the cottage. But would i be able to jess that or is that could buy the cottage and ask them to carve out just a few acres and keep the cottage itself because not the farm. That means something to you. That on the lake part of it right. Yeah i it just generally having even a piece of it you know just the the memories that are attached to the area. I guess that is a good idea. It's just dress i. it's hard to like. I have offered even like give support. If needed. Like i would be fine even financial support. Obviously to my family you. i'm twenty six. Okay what do you make Just under seventy grand and your dad is how old My dad is in his mid sixties. Now okay all right well. Let's pretend you got twenty years before this really comes up. He gets to his mid eighties. Okay That would give you time to prepare. If this means a lot to you to build some wealth and be able to offer to buy it and it would be certainly okay for you to ask that you be given the to buy it in the will. Should they get you begin. First right of refusal or a an option to purchase it I auction to purchase or something like that so that they didn't just call you up one day and sold it. You know instead. You know because you'd saved up a half million dollars and you could have bought half the property and had them sell off the other half or something like that and that would scratch your it and then you then at that point you become a customer of the estate not someone who just feels entitled to. It agreed agreed. Just have the conversation. But i wouldn't go in there saying. Hey this is what i want. This is what needs to be done. Just ask don't have any rights. Yeah you're not entitled to anything. I'm sorry i hurt your feelings. Understand that and it does mean a lot to you emotionally. I hear you saying that. But that doesn't give you any moral or legal or even emotional rights to it We have a lake house. And if i decide to sell it tomorrow It will break my heart because they've all learned to ski there. The grandbabies have all spent time there. We all love it. It's the same kind of thing. It's an emotional piece of property for us. Anthony anthony. Anthony will be crying. he's already. He's already leaking series. That's where you learn to ski. Hey squad quarter water skier now. You should have seen him. The falls for amazing last weekend but the anyway the Yeah that the point being You know the you earn the right to speak into this by having some money to do something and it's not just a matter of offering support it's a matter of. Hey if you ever going to sell it. I don't want that to happen. Because i love it so much. Please give me first rights and would you mind even putting that in the wheel dad and something like that that would be okay and there's nothing wrong with that at all. I got dibs on that. You know that that's if if you're if you would allow me to. I would consider that because it means so much to me but just because it was your childhood Summer vacation and it's emotional does not give you any rights. You're not a zero entitlement on that. Sorry josh is. That's my opinion and you asked at josh's in dallas josh. Our you thought you. Dave another question about trading my vehicle so i've purchased a Bernie truck November last year and traded truck The jewish have contacted me a couple of weeks ago or last week and they're wanting to buy much back with the shortage of vehicles so twenty six on that right now I met a really good trade on it and a lot of equity and oh twenty six now when off me forty one thousand cash right now would you pay for it. I i pay like forty two five. Wow are great What is it worth. Yeah what is. Kelly is says That's did a Online trading and It said that it was worth forty. But then whenever i went and taught to the jewish to give me one yeah and that's trade in by the way that's not private sale so i think they're on their way to get more out of it. Do you want to sell it um well. Here's the thing. So my wife. And i took on some debt for from A child custody case of fourteen thousand dollars a attorney fees. So we're working on all What's your household forty. I'm okay if you sell it certainly good opportunity if you wanna get out. This is like getting out while the getting's good And you can probably get more for it if you lean on. I'm just a little bit because you do obviously be paid for six months later. Weird is highly unusual in the lobby of ramsey solutions on the debt. free stage. jeffrey. And meghan or weather's hey guys how are you hi welcome. Where do you guys live. Lee's summit missouri lee summit kansas city area That's where my daughter-in-law's from also good for you guys. Welcome to nashville. And all the way down here to do a debt. Free scream cool. How much have you guys paid off. One hundred thousand six dollars. One hundred six thousand one hundred eighty dollars and forty four cents. How long did this take two years. Two months and ten days all right and your range of income during that time is a hundred and two thousand to one hundred and thirty thousand. Good what are you guys do for a living. I'm a medical laboratory. Scientists and clinical manager for a residential behavioral health facility. Oh great okay cool. What kind of debt was this about. Half was my student loans. And then we had my car and then credit cards You're kind of normal normal sucks but you were there. Lots a data hundred and six thousand car credit cards student loans. That's a lot. Yeah so what happened. Two years in two months ago that got you started on this journey so our church had started offering fpu. And i'm actually the nerd and what's gonna go. I think we need to do it. But i never pushed for it and then megan was actually like we're doing this. That's good so megawatt what what made you decide to push for that. I think it was really when you're close to maxing out a credit card. That has a twenty thousand dollar limit every month. And you've got a problem as a counselor. The first step changes admitting that you have a problem man. Let a bit in my own advice Amen yeah that's exactly right. That is by far the first step the matter of fact. You've almost solved the problem once. You admit that there is one because everything else will just happen after that once you say. Oh this has gotta stop. Yeah so then the class pops up at just the right time at your church and you jump into financial peace university both of you together and So far into the class where you before you kinda went. Think we really can fix this by close. Probably the third week and actually kind of interesting megan shopping at walmart and she had her cash envelopes but didn't have enough cash So she grabbed per credit card and that evening during our class. We cut that puppy up. Oh so that was the debt lesson that was the lesson is the plastic surgery and at the end the classroom by trump's up their credit cards. Well that was perfect timing. Yeah one last hurrah at a walmart chop chop i love it. Plastic surgery very good. You guys. I love good so throughout this journey two years. That's i mean that's a long time. What was the hardest thing outside of credit cutting credit cards. I see her face right now but outside of that. What was hard throughout this journey. I think for me. It was just really learning to live within my limits spending limits for myself and i'm the free spirit. I'm the one who likes to go shopping on the weekends. Like to do things but learning to be more intentional. We didn't we recreation budget so that we weren't driving each other crazy and we set a date budget so we still have that time protected and just making good use of the funds that we had So awesome. That is awesome. Now you've heard was hard for you. It seems that you actually enjoyed this process. When she started i did. The hardest part was actually starting I had a very good hundred percent match on my 401k. A ten percent Sti- didn't want to give that up. i don't blame. You would have been hard for me. I actually had to convince him that. I'm like no look at dave's that works. We have to stop this. He ran the numbers himself. And he's like oh actually would work. That's a narrative for you. I love it. Because that's exactly what i would have done brother right. So what do you tell people. The key is now. You've done it. You've gotten out of debt. What's the secret to getting out of debt. Now credit cards all right also in that. Same vein. I mean it's the patent answer that everyone gives but the budget sets the it sets the limits for He's been this well. It's the map to florida. If you drive to florida you need a map. You know it's the. Gps shows you where to go and get a you know earn here. Don't turn up. You missed it keep going. You know whatever i mean. That's what you need with a budget. You gotta have a guideline and you don't get to your destination if you don't have map and that's all it is. That's why everybody says it because it works. It is the key element that we do see and people that are successful because as you said earlier. Megan it's the intention but in this case intentionally on paper and that's really all a budget is. I'm curious Now that you're out of debt. What's next well as part of our journey Jeff wiz commuting an hour each way to work so we made the move from A rural counties south of kansas city to the metro area. So we're renting now so we that total doesn't include selling our house so we sold the house that we had were renting now so now we're trying to plow through three and three steps three and three be all right. Get the down the shave. Get another property. Yeah good for you. Gosh so well done. Well done so You brought your kiddo with you. What's the name age any age. Six bethany is years old so she participating in all of this process see kind of and she's gotten a little bit older and this i'm she. She has her own chores and her own money that she gets to earn. And so we're trying to help her. Learn how to do that. Cool way to go bethany. Good job we've got a copy of the legacy journey for you. That is the next chapter in your story as you move on and change her family tree and leave a legacy. Well done you guys very proud of you. Congratulations very very neat. Job i love it. Also a copy of the total money makeover an extra one for you to give away so you can pay it forward and Get somebody else moving on this journey so we can keep spreading the good word out here on how to get out of that and how to become wealthy. Well done jeffrey. Meagan and bethany from kansas city one hundred and six thousand dollars paid off in two years in two months making one zero two to one thirty. Count it down. Let's hear a debt free scream. Three two one counting counting. Love it good for you. Well done man that is awesome. You know they moved. They got new information and they acted on it. Yeah yeah a hundred and six thousand dollars of credit cards credit cards credit cards. We just don't trash credit cards often enough on this show and we really don't. We should trust them more. You know so. They had plastic surgery and they didn't say i get airline miles. I get agate discovery pony and they did. They didn't start talking. Broke people talk a rich people. Don't say that stuff come on day. That's what broke people say. I know i'm reborn card for an emergency. That's just broke. People talk you just may some people have said dave. That's my spiritual gifts. I am talented at that. My goal because some of the best things that have happened to me in my life or when i got pissed off and i had to prove somebody wrong and i was wrong. 'cause i'm not wrong on this one and so if you're pissed off because you're one of those game mileage like you like you ever gonna use that mouse. Have you ever tried to use the miles with airline. Frequent jupiter has to be aligned with mars. And there's so many guidelines and setbacks and no ways to do it and you know what she said trick to get out of that kenema cut them up. Cut them up and after you cut them up. Get intentional about getting out of debt. Yeah bottom line. Otherwise you're a rat chasing its tail man you just go go go go go go. Go go and nothing happens. Nothing happens. Except you're making mastercard and bank of america. Mike me watch schedule throw my mouth. Bank of america rochon ro and make them rich. Might them rich already rich. Why are you giving them your money in the name of airline mouths. She straight up mobile one clear. This is the ramsey show And the ramsey personality is my co host today open phones at triple eight eight to five five two two five. That's triple eight eight to five five. Two two five colton is with us an iowa city high colton. How're you dave. I'm while i was gonna self better than i deserve. Sir how can we help. Yes and my wife. And i have been struggling merita lately. We've been married You six years. August the fifth years. It's been rough One of the areas of stress our finances were in need of rebuilding Foundations really We got a starter. Emergency fund About thirty two thousand dollars debt. A mortgage and income. That's not always predictable So i've got some specific questions for you. But i just want to know. Like what are you recommend rebuild financial foundations than marriage. I i think everybody has to have a voice in the discussion. And sometimes that's what happens. And then the second thing that that that if everybody has a voice the voice has to involve That as i use my my vote in our marriage that my vote is not for my selfish need or want. My vote is for the good of the overall family. That's how i'm using my vote and so it's not like a little child in other words stomping their feet with a red face on the cereal. Aisle demanding frosted flakes. Because i deserve them and sometimes we get that little kid inside of us making our adult decisions called selfishness and then it affects our relationships so couples that can brise up above their own. Selfish desires for the good of the overall family will ultimately get their own selfish desires But they also get unity then and because her some nobility to that but the most most of the money fights that sharon and i have had involved selfishness on one of our parts usually mine that make any sense. Oh yeah absolutely. I just i. I got a a new craving for a new car. And that's been a not so good for us and so i totally get that. Yeah so that kind of explains what's going on with you. That's not a bad thing that you want a new car. The bad thing is if you actually acted on that while you're thirty two thousand dollars in debt and your wife scared to death because she's worried with the erratic income all the time. If you're going to have money for electricity. And you come waltzing in with your muddy boots. I just bought a new car. Because i'm just the smartest guy on the planet and she's going to slit your throat. That's what's going to happen right. So that's that's what goes down you get you get angry at that stuff but so you have to say hey. I'm going to get a new car but the gonna get live like no one else. So that later. I can live like no one else. 'cause i gotta clean this thirty two thousand for the good of myself and the good his family before. I can even talk about a car. I'm curious now. What's the family Household income Yeah so it is. She brings home probably around Twenty eight hundred dollars a month. That's the after tax And then for for me. I'm a worship leader at church as well as a wedding filmmaker. So bad as super sporadic Making fifteen dollars an hour I don't church Sounds like about what he can about forty grand a year. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah so. I could see. I know how many weddings that we book. 'cause we book weddings. I can make forty thousand so with just fifteen or so away. So what does it what. What would a typical case study fight. Look like in your house. Describe it to me about money. Money fight Yeah typical Fine i guess would be. I want to do one thing. And she wants to do Something else with money. So for example. I want to say Invest a little bit of money. She don't wanna do that. she wanted. Walk the The path that i wanna pay off a debt. But she's afraid of not having enough money for next month And so a lot of it's pretty passive Passive aggressiveness We're not really like local art each other like that but Yeah i can lead to some tension okay. So that's where the when if you'll start doing a detailed budget where every dollar across income for this coming month has a name on. Paper has an assignment on paper. And you agree on where it's going to go and you're applying any extra money. You can find the budget to the baby steps in both of your in agreement on that concept. Then what happens is all. You're holding each other accountable to is what you agreed to. And that we're sticking to the baby steps and what here's here's exactly how this will go down the first month the first time you do a detailed budget where every dollar has a name. It's going to be a big fight gear ready. You may need to actually stop midway through work on the budget and have a cooling off period and both of you go for a walk around the block separately because it's going to drag up all this stuff. Okay it's gonna drag up all these insecurities it's going to drag up all these feelings of inadequacy where maybe i don't feel like making enough money or doing enough. It's gonna you're gonna drag up little selfish kid in the cereal aisle. All this stuff stuff's gonna come up but if you can push all of that down onto that paper and say the best way for me to have the life i want. Which is for my family to succeed is to follow these steps and have a game plan for the money. The best way for me to have security is to follow these steps. Then you're going to begin to get the emotions under control. The second month you'll have they'll be some rough spots in the discussion the third time you do the budget the third month. It'll actually start to work. But i'm going to promise you some pain but we now on the third month and and correct me from. I'm own day. Because i'm not married but i from a money perspective colton. I would suggest to help you kind of ease. That pain a little bit. Maybe you and your wife talk about. What does success look like for us. Five ten years from now. What is our vision. What are we aiming for is to be debt free. It's the by a home. Is going to dream vacation. Is it to be a wealth in wish you are identified that success that vision then the budget helps you get to that then the budget in all right. Is this gonna if me buying a new cars me doing this. Is that helping us get towards the next five to ten years and if you're following the baby steps you don't have to have a discussion about whether to investing or to do debt. We're working on the debt you go. So we've we've both submitted ourselves to this proven plan. Yup and so all i do is go and do. It's not what the baby steps are yours. We've agreed we were going to do that. Oh i guess darn it. That's right so with the best way to get to investing is to get out of debt for the rest way to Get out of debt is temporarily stop investing and so the the. There's a reason the baby steps are laid out the way they are and the reason millions. Tens of millions of people have done this now literally. Yeah that's not an exaggeration. And so you just say all right. I'm gonna do this plan. There's worked for so many others. We are going to the plan. We're both in agreement that we're gonna do this plan. It's not like i'm going to make you do it. We're both in agreement. And then when that feeling rises up and she says i feel insecure. I really want to start investing the best way for us to get investing to get this clearly. Keep hammering the debt. Okay are you know. I really wanna. You're thinking man. I want to get a new car while the best way to do that is get clear of all this stuff and have some wealth Because you know right now you're too broke to be buying a car you know and so you know you see all of the sudden it all starts come very very clear and you know some of your vision can be little things. I'll give you an example when we were broke. I clearly remember sharon. And i arguing about the food budget. How much she was gonna spend at the grocery store and she was mad. I mean because you wanted more food like. Yeah 'cause i was not. I was not being forthcoming enough on that line item. Okay and she was. She was hot. You know it sure. Looks like she gets that low ahead cockatiel yeah and so you can see it coming right and she says you know someday sarcastically said passive aggressive I just hope rich enough. That i can just go to the grocery store and just fill up the basque and i said you know what the best way for us to get. There is to stick the dadgum budget and you know what day she will tell you the story that she remembers that fight to. Are you serious. 'cause she says sometimes i just go and fill up the basket even though we don't need food just because got can do it now because we paid the price we lived like no one else. Now fill up the basket like no one so maybe your vision is something just like that. What was that was a sign of insecurity. Because i had screwed up and lost everything. And she's scared families hungry. That's what all that meant. It was passive aggressive as crud is what it was. This is the ramsey show. Hey guys this is. James senior producer for the ramsey show. Is you know over. 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EP05 NBC's The Voice/Owner of Four Carsons Ent., Chris Cauley

The Tour Bus Podcast

1:01:29 hr | 1 year ago

EP05 NBC's The Voice/Owner of Four Carsons Ent., Chris Cauley

"Hey and welcome to the tour bus. Podcast i'm your host jay tour bus driver. Today we're talking with nbc's the voice alarm and owner of four carson's entertainment. Chris colleague as usual. Before all that chris and i got to play a bunch of gigs around south atlanta to get season and make money chris with two around college campuses with an organization that paid great money for anyone had an act entertaining. That led risk to performing for tyler. Perry stage play in a michael jackson tribute tour. That ultimately chris all over the world. Here's chris's story from small stages in atlanta to the voice now managing musicians and artists for some of the biggest corporate events in the world. I love his heart and his passion for his gift. Take a listen to this fantastic interview with chris. Collie we are quarantined. Aren't we in that. I don't know where this will go out if you're listening. This is in the height of the corona virus. But we're gonna make the best out of it. And i'm confident that we're going to come out of this better people and there's going to be creative renaissance and i really believe that i really do. You mean you're making a thousand bucks a nice if you do one hundred of those a year man. You're looking real good. So i started making a lot of connections in atlanta. That is where. I got to the world amsterdam barcelona monte carlo in monaco right on the mediterranean and matter of fact that's where i got engaged and he sent it to me and it was like this halftime dirty feels off man. This is nasty. I was like okay. I love this. She got all four chairs to turn so. I'm sit back on crap. Do not ever ever ever buy into the starving artist thing. it's a joke. pay chris. Thanks for being here man. I'm so glad you're on the show today. Great to be here. I'm glad this worked out man absolutely absolutely so we can jump right in. We played together Kind of some churches and some cover. Gigs probably two thousand teens. Early two thousand teens from atlanta you're from atlanta which i am as well. That's so rare for us. Isn't it like a such a transplant city. But i always leave and people always say i don't. I don't know if you get this. But everybody's like you know they'll say oh no where you from atlanta and they go no originally i said note really atlanta. Like no can't be right right well. I say i'm a greedy baby. I wasn't born grady. But and i don't know if i can take that term if it if it goes for just anybody born a native atlanta atlantan point i was born. I was born at a. Dekalb generale there around anymore here yes. I don't even know what to say. So i'm i claimed grady baby might be the name of my first album. I don't know but you're from atlanta huge Atlanta sports fan. You're saying it. Atlanta sports events and and involved in atlanta sports radio. Yeah that's right. I do the do the theme song for the shock and chernoff show. Which is the biggest show in the southeast at on your drive home. It's a super bydesign. It's a super annoying catchy. Jingle by that's what was supposed to be and you want you here at the preface. Exactly this song i can't get out of the head. I was like well. That was the goal so when win right right so so let's dig it so we'll we'll do your early life real quick if you can and then so right before we started hanging out and playing together you were running in a college tour circuit singing but kinda. How'd you get involved in singing. I and what were your influences. And then what got you into that tour. Because i know a lot of our listeners are probably looking for where to find their next gig and and you know when you. You talked to me about this before. I had no idea that was even a thing. So so tell me about that and about it but you know musical influence throwing up and what what got you into the college tour circuit absolutely so growing up. I was always super shy. I don't even think. I sang in front of anyone until i was probably a senior in high school to be honest. And it was had the role of danny in the musical grease so i had the lead role and i noticed i was always joke around but it is true that i had. I had these two girls one of which i had a crush on and we were doing the show for a week. You know in our school and they bought tickets to every single show and they were all a giggly out there. It's like hey. Maybe i can do this and honestly that's when i started realizing you know okay. Maybe this is a career path but he but even before that My grandmother was a bluegrass musician and she had a roar show. Yeah way way. Back in the day and She was a yodeler and a little flat picker and she had a little trio in the mountains of virginia. Yeah so just. Even though by music you know is couldn't be further from bluegrass. I think i learned to appreciate all music at a young age. And and the the talent behind it and the kidding you know and 'cause yeah i'm definitely in the soulful pop thing i lean be like crazy and that's what i was singing. You know when i was. I feel like all of us is especially i mean. I guess if we're all listening to this everybody when you're younger had that moment where you grab your remote control in your room and you crank up your stereo and you're singing to the mirror singing to somebody and i was always singing boys to men. I was always singing. You know even like keith. Sweat old school man. I was all into all types of music but my my mom and dad grew up. My dad was a big james brown fan and my mom was big earth wind fire fan so i was this man. I was this little white kid in rural coming georgia at the time listening to soulful music. And that's kind of where all that came from man. That's awesome man my dad. My parents took me to the rolling stones concert in like eighty five or eighty six. Awhile and i was four or five years old. I slept in the c- bobby dodd stadium. Yeah bobby dodd. Stadium and i slept in the seats. A little bit All remember is they had big blow up Naked women on each side of the stage. It's perfect for four year old absolutely absolutely and then and then they took me to see lau. Love it and then. My dad was always listening to steely dan. In the car sustains awesome grew up with just a real eclectic right and my brother was eight years older than i am and got me into gun. Roses and michael jackson metallica and all kinds of stuff at that was popular. So yeah man so definitely can respect that so getting through high school and into the college tour. How did that. How did that come about about that. And tell us about the organization it was through. Yeah sure so. I i out of high school. I signed a really small independent record. Deal which sounds way cooler than it was but Basically some guy decided. Some guy was a former lawyer. He had some money. He decided to start a label. Signed me. I think it was a five thousand dollars signing bonus and you would have thought i won the lottery hilarious but from that he actually introduced me to organization called neka in a ca. Which is the national association for campus activities and essentially the best way i can explain. It is those of you who've gone to college or perhaps in college right now. You whether you know it or not. You pay a student activity fee which goes to a big budget and the student activities board or council. Whatever your school is. They have a budget that they have to spend to entertain you all your on campus so you could be walking through the student comments and there might be a musician out there and nine times out of ten. No that's not your dorm mate. That somebody they brought in. From out of state and their touring so it's kind of funny how it works so comedians magicians. He's editions. you name it. So what i did man. I hit the pavement. And we were doing gosh probably close to one hundred schools a year for a long time. So i've played every small town colleges that had a thousand people and then i've played big schools like university kentucky with amos lee. We did a few shows and university of florida but even in west texas. I mean these smaller school. You can imagine always. It's always funny to me. I run into people and you know you know doing the well. Yeah where where are you from type thing and oh oh you would never hear. The town is like no time. You chances are have been there and you know right from all over the country man. Just kind of pay the dues. Just grinding it on the pavement and selling records out of the car and sleeping in crappy hotels and kind of live in a dream at the time right and i was early two thousands. Yeah yeah. I was. Probably oh four if i had to guess okay. Yeah and how long. How long did that go on. And to what level did it of supports your your income and we'll kind of dig into some lessons learned. Maybe yeah sure. What's funny is i think the the the market has completely changed the the neca circuit but man. You used to go to the to the big conference and it's set up like a job fair like you're you're rep by an agency and you go. If you're lucky. If you get selected to showcase on stage you play like a fifteen twenty minute set and then if they like you. Basically all of the reps from all the colleges including their student activity boards. They go to your booth you sign autographs. You meet people and then essentially you walk away with a tour because your agency gets together and all the schools suck. Oh i want him on this date. I want him on this day. And the next thing you know it's pretty great but yeah i mean honestly the money. I'm not sure if the market now but it used to be fantastic. I mean gosh you could be making at the time. Well i mean think think. Think about a twenty two year old kid. You know in the early two thousand. Yeah i mean you're making thousand after thousand fix. Yeah i mean you're you're making a thousand something like that. Yeah after agents are agency gets cut and there's some travel expenses but if you do one hundred of those a year man you're looking real good you know. And of course. I was sitting. So i was a typical young silly kid and i didn't really know how to save money but Like like most of us. But all that to say that's circuit and i'm assuming it's somewhat the same but if you really work on it and you have a really good promo video and you sell yourself to agency. It's a good means to make a living for sure man that's also how long. How long did you do that for. Gosh that was probably off. And on for if i had to guess maybe eight years or so to be honest hit the we had the pentacle of it. And we you know we want some awards the most you know best coffeehouse quote unquote act this year and whatever year it was and so meaning. We we just got the most bookings and we're the most sought after act. I guess to go to your school and So yeah it was. It was a great time and it was it. Was you know it's easy. I mean looking back on it as a young twenty something. I wish i had my head on straight a little more easy to get trump and and just do stupid stuff as most kids do but essentially Right out of high school if you really look at the timeline of it right out of high school. I'm signing a deal and a year or two later. I'm on the road. I mean it's like hello real world. You know. there's more english class now. It's like hitting the pavement and see and stuff and being on the road majority say notice stuff exactly how she did that for so he did that for a good while. It sounds like your twenty twenties for the most part. Where did what. What opportunity did you get from that. Or how did you were. You able to leverage anything in that in the neka circuit to kind of go from there to your next step. Yeah i think. Honestly what i take away from my time. College touring is probably just experience. I mean i mean truthfully the depending on the night each show depends on the quality of the student activity board at the school. That booked you meaning. You could go one night and have a contact or aboard. Who so excited about you come. They've promoted it. They and they put you in a theater. And there's three hundred people there four hundred people there and then you could go the very next night an hour up the road and it's the the person in charge is just doing it to get some credit and they don't care about the actual event itself there's no promotion and there might be three people like no joke one time. They put me in a computer lab and there was one dude in there and when he saw us setting up he turned around and looked at us and he put his headphones on you. All that to say. I mean and this is when the youtube started on some church church youth camps that started like that exactly and and this is when the youtube thing was really starting to take off so people were recording us our shows and honestly dude we had we would travel to wherever people were singing our songs back to us and even though they weren't released they just seeing them live versions on youtube was like how cool is that. You know so it was a good. It was a good way to get exposure and to gain. Yeah and to make really great money But at the same time it's really just every single day was a different situation and it wasn't pretty one By no means was glamorous. it was cutting teeth pay dues and learning how to work audience. Even if there's three people or three hundred or four hundred and you just learn to work an audience and tell funny jokes and be silly and not take yourself too serious. Is there a place that If you find yourself taking it too seriously as their place you have to go to kind of mentally trick yourself into like. Hey man three people give it. Give it the three thousand. Yeah absolutely. I mean i think that circuit to be honest that circuit unfortunately gone are the days of record labels paying attention and go. Hey man this this guys out there tour and like crazy but you know all you have to do like is tour that circuit with the understanding that you're not necessarily going to get a deal out of it but just take it for what it is. It's it's a great circuit to make great money build some fans get some emails on your mailing list and just cut your teeth. you know. but when i was young i was thinking this was going to launch me into big record deal you know and so i was a little disappointed in that because quite honestly record labels. Don't pay attention to your amount of tour dates from colleges. They just don't because it's a completely separate world but may but once i stopped taking myself so serious and just doing it for what it was a man it was it was a blast and even if it was one of those shows where there's three people you know at the end of the day i'm getting paid really well to travel and play music for an hour an hour show. That's it so. I was like man. How could i complain about this is. It's all about perspective. You know and i learned that at a young age as well sure. Now that's gonna perspective being able to zoom out and say you know kind of this is the big picture and this is where this event fits in so let me give it everything i got right and especially for folks that have hopefully are listening to multiples of these. Podcasts are going to find out that they're gonna see a pattern that you guys giving it everything you got for. The three people is usually what opens up the door down the road. Not necessarily you giving it your all for three thousand people. Because that's kind of easier expected right right. I mean one thousand percent. I mean it's it's all about habits and honestly just honoring honoring the craft. Nothing worth it is handed to you. You know it's not supposed to be easier otherwise we would do it. And that's just not the case. And you have to be okay with that you know there's zero entitlement and this business has a funny way of knocking. You back down to earth once. You think you've made it yup. I picked up a picked up for my father in law is the hard way as the easy way which basically goes both ways right. If you put in the hard work it will ultimately becomes the easy way to have done it absolutely but if you try to put in the easy work it becomes the hard way to do exactly as the hard way the hard ways easy way a anyways and that applies here is exactly what you're saying. Hundred percent applies in the business world. As well where. I do most of my work cool so you did that for a while. And where where'd you go from there. And what made you kinda step out. Yes sure so. I was still kind of doing it for a long time. Slowly slowly tapered off. I mean i started over this time. I was married. I ended up having a kiddo three years ago so technically. I'm still on an active roster. I just don't get as offers. Like i used to because i kind of made it clear to my through neka yes i i made it clear agency is like. I don't really want to go do that much anymore. If something comes up cool hit me up. I'll say your name but And desires change. I didn't really want to be on the road row. Dogging it so much. A hundred percent began with that right. So like from there Gosh years and years of doing that. But while i was home the summers because obviously at the time. There's there's no touring there's no college during the summer. So i started making connections in atlanta. Just being that i was born and raised here and there was a started making a name for myself and i would have residency gigs. I'd play sambuc jazz club on thursday nights. I would play Gosh there was a cigar bar and alpha. Eta george i would play on friday nights and it was just. It was always places to play. And i was always getting gig gig gig gig and i would just start striking up relationships man relationship. I you know and then i started. Land some great gigs. And gosh from there. I joined a cover band does like corporate party stuff. So they the tour bus the whole nine yards so base. Go on the weekends. If if there's really expensive fancy wedding you know in texas or something. We'd go and we'd perform do cover tunes and it was like a dance thing so you dress up and you got a big huge ban. And i'm sure we've all seen stuff like that at weddings yet. Insane with corporate events started doing that as well with with this band and started. Getting attention from tyler. Perry's world who is obviously a media. Mogul and i got. I got asked to be in the cast of his stage. Play musical called laugh to keep from crying. And that was i want to say that was around two thousand eleven to two thousand ten thousand eleven and man. We were playing For about two and a half months on the road nonstop playing sold out theaters. All across the country is great. What did you get from the tyler. Perry gig both From a networking standpoint and talent wise. Like what did you what did you so as an artist in that season young man my my big takeaway from that was to be honest. I always tell people you know. People are so kind to come up and say man. How do you get here. What how did you get to be able to do this. Or how did you get to know how to do this. Vocally or whatever. It may be an honestly i tell people. Hey go suck for awhile. Meaning get out of your little pond. Big fish thing and go and be the least talented person in the room and on the on the tyler perry tour. I was by far the least towns a person in the room. But i learned so. Oh such a sponge dude. I was the first one off the bus. I was getting people's luggage. And by far. And i was one of the. I think i was the youngest person you know. Because the these folks. I mean you cheryl pepsi riley who is an rn. B. singer in the nineties had a couple hits palmer williams junior. Who's on all tyler perry's tv shows. I mean these are older folks you know they got fifteen twenty years on me and some of them were singing on broadway all this stuff and here. I am a little old me you know. What was the reception like. They were great white kid. Yeah yeah was the one of two white folks and there was a female named stephanie ferret. Who's unbelievable singer But the because of my attitude going in the reception was great. Meaning i i walked in. I had zero pride zero entitlement. I was there to learn. I was there to complement the others. And just you know. Kind of have the i was. I was super vulnerable. And i was not a threat to the folks in other words. I didn't come in acting like you know. I've got all this swag and walking around like belong. No i was the opposite. I was like. I'm so thankful to be here. Thank you so much for allowing me to be in this cast. What can i learn. Feel free to critique me you know. If i can do something better please feel free to let me know. Can i help you with this. Let me get your bag. You know i was paying my dues. I knew i'm very very socially aware. And i think that's so important for folks as you're just start now. Go hit open mics. Go suck for a while you know you've got to. You've got to get out there. Get out of the comfort zone. Go learn and be a sponge instead of being the big fish small pond. Because guess what you're not gonna learn you're not gonna grow if you're that person so i love Being the the least towns a person in the room honestly and that's where all my connections come from. And and i have no problem. Admitting there's always someone out there that's way better and wants it more than you. And i always had that in the back of my brain always humble and hungry for that. Are you a competitive person by nature. I am i feel like the older. I've gotten the least competitive. I get I like to celebrate other people's success and there's not a lot of jealousy. There used to be obviously. But i feel like the older. You get the more experience you get the more comfortable. You become your own skin. And that's absolutely and this business hasn't any business to be quite honest. That's just life and i love. I mean this business is cutthroat enough as it is. So i love to celebrate us to celebrate other people's wins and They do the same for me. And i i just think sure look. There's enough talent to go around. There's enough gigs to go around. There's enough you name it. There's enough records to go around. We don't need to compete with one another. We need to lift each other up. Man that's fantastic. Perception absolutely see. Did tyler perry. You did the tyler. Perry gig how did how did that turn out. And where did you go. You went to a michael jackson tribute tour from there. Yes so that that show. Unfortunately we were supposed to be out for fourteen months. Touring theaters all over the country and as an aside. That's the most fun i've ever had in my professional life. I wish i could do it again tomorrow. Unfortunately we got taken off the road Pretty quickly About two months in. Unfortunately tyler's mom and passed away so we we all got you know everything. Production to scott immediately. We're in detroit at the fox theater and our tour manager came back so hey guys van meeting and said hey. This is what happened. This is our last stop. So we're going home in a couple of days so we were supposed to play the kodak in l. a. where the oscars and all those awards shows. We're supposed to play the fox in atlanta. Which would have been a dream for me. All these huge amazing iconic venues and that got cut short unfortunately but from there One of the cast members. I struck up a friendship with I got a call randomly. Probably a few months later this out of the blue and Yeah i joined A michael jackson tribute show called man in the mirror and that was put on by spirit. Productions out of london and Yeah they wanted to white guy and the the guy had worked strip reductions in the past and he's like. Hey i know the white guy let me call him and so man. It was a blast. It was like a theater show Know it definitely wasn't an impersonation that it was more say okay five or six singers. Doing they're know each. Each person had their own moments throughout the show but liberty. Yeah absolutely we had set would change and we had dancers and That is where. I got to see the world. The company was based in. London did multiple. Uk tours. We did amsterdam barcelona monte carlo. In monaco right on rainy in a matter of fact. That's where i got engaged. I flew my now. Wife out there. And i proposed and the exotic gardens looking over the mediterranean and monte carlo. It was ridiculous same spot. Let's ask the same right so that was so cool and getting to see the world. I think that was that was one show where you know. There was a lot of a lot of stresses that went with it. You know the day to day. Miss home in All kinds of stuff. I'm i'm all the way across the world. But i still woke up with. I cannot believe i get to do this. I've getting paid to sane and my voice is taking me all over the world. Mike literally just thought that was so cool. I would never ever have those opportunities coming from. You know small town georgia at the time now. It's a bigger down. Obviously but when i grew up a hardee's dairy queen you know and this little you know southern boy from rural georgia now gets toured the world singing soul music from michael jackson. I mean that was a. That's a dream. You know. So i i look back on that and yes now like the music sucked either right right every night and i never got old. It really didn't that performance itself and just getting to see the world and try like there was one day you know because we would go into a city and if those of you listening wherever you live if you think about your nearest theatre or whatever or win like hamilton comes to town. It's there for two or three weeks. You know it was kind of the same thing so we weren't just in and out. We were in a city for a long time so we got to see a lot of the cities and there. There was one weekend in amsterdam We had already seen the city. We'd been there two weeks or so and we had a two consecutive days off. And i was kinda loner at this point to be quite honest. I didn't really hang with a lot of the cast. Because i miss my wife. I wanted to be in my room. Facetime with her. And i didn't want to get into some of the things the others we're doing i'll leave it at that but yeah two weeks and amsterdam right right so i don't wanna get into all that but so one day i used to stay up super super late over there so it would be on. Us time so i'd stay until five am and which is normal bedtime for the us. I can't remember the exact time veterans butter. But i would watch braves games on my laptop till four or five in the morning and amsterdam you know and just act like hard fan and i would sleep super late and yeah there was one morning i woke up. I was like man. I wanna google. How far is paris from here. And i just looked up and auto whim. I bought a train ticket. I think three and a half hour direct train ride. And i went to paris for the day by myself and i walked her. I was there for probably ten eleven hours. Did the eiffel tower thing. Y'all the touristy stuff went to the louvre and just got back on the train went back to amsterdam and i did all that by myself on a whim. It was just so cool to get to see the world like that so it sounds like man that was a pretty terrific gig But it couldn't have been just all terrific. Other than missing sandra and and being away from home and the weird hours like what part of the grind kinda was difficult. It sounds like him but surely something was hard sure. Oh absolutely well for first off as a just a thirty thousand view for those listening no matter what gig you get a. You could be drummer out there wanting to land the biggest most a list act ever. I promise you there are downsides to it in those terms would tell you what those are. There's no matter what you do. Every gig every single gig there's there's there's rough patches because you know we only see the performance but there's there's a grind behind the scenes and for me on that tour. I think if i'm super honest. The the management of the company that we were out with was not great They were a little sketch and look out. And make sure you got your correct amount in your check. You know stuff like that and you had to. You know Some cities the contact or the talent booker. Who brought us in to the city would cover our lodging and all this stuff so in monte carlo which is one of the in the country of monaco is one of the most richest countries in the world and they put us up in a five star hotel. If i'm in a five star hotel for three weeks in freaking paradise right but then we go to the uk tour where the company funds it and. We couldn't get ten euros a day to go to mcdonald's and we all in slums so i think that is what was the tough part is different city city. We just never really knew. And you know a-. I learned very quickly that hey at the end of the day this this company and the people in charge there trying to make. They're not necessarily looking out for us. I learned that. I learned a lot of business and had to have some conversations and learn to really go over my contracts and that people look over my contracts before i sign anything. Yeah no absolutely and and you know good on you for figuring that out having your wits about you did to dig into that stuff. Yeah man At the end of the day. I'm out there yes i was quote unquote living the dream at the time for a lot of these stops but at the end of the day. I've got a wife to take care of. I've got a roof over my head. I got a mortgage. I got to pay if you mess with my money. At the time i had this little thing can be more money. We got problem. I'm gonna you know. I'm gonna give you married married exactly so i say that kinda tongue-in-cheek but and all reality it i learned to you know because they're going to sell you whether it's a label whether it's a gig like this or they're going to sell you you get to do this. You get to do that. And it's gonna sound awesome and it is awesome but don't look over the contract. I don't don't glaze over it like make sure you're take care of. I make sure you know every facet before you sign up for something awesome so yes so definitely not all you know rainbows and butterflies even on a really awesome gig like that did. How did you come out of that. And where'd you go to next. Yes so. I ended up coming home for for a while. And you know by this point. I'd been touring like crazy from tyler. Perry to the mj. Thing to the college touring and and i started kind of itching to really put out more music and a lot of it was was You know. I was getting emails and people out in public. Hey man when when you make recommending you make a record and the whole point you know of me going in and recording my turn. The whole theme was like okay. I've done all of these things for other people. Meaning you know. Michael jackson to tyler perry odd all this stuff but now it's my turn and now i'm gonna do. I'm gonna do this for me. Decrease music that. I want to put out and going back to our did an ep. You know at the time and now nowadays even no one's really listening to full length records anymore unfortunately so we adapted to that we put out five great tunes and the theme of it is. It's soulful pop with melody melody melodies and hooks for days so it's a three year old can sing along with. It actually used to say that when i was promoting it but now i have a three year old and he does sing along with it so i can vouch for that now and play along with three. Zero can sing along with it. But the the musician's musician will go. Oh dang that baseline was nastier. Oh that i love. I love the record. The ep and thanks to the original songs are just like you said. Catchy great hooks. Great melodies great lyrics. But then there's a cover of need you tonight by in excess. Just a sexy sexy song dude. It's cool man funny story about that is i've always. I've always loved an excess. And i feel like oftentimes the eighties nineties. That genre there it can kinda get looked at as a little cheesy but man if you really listen if you take away the somebody in the throat right right i mean the same bo dude like i love it so i decided to do was like okay. Let's take the song but let's just take the vocal and the lyrics and let's do something completely more modern indifferent with because it's a sexy. You're right and my buddy trae roth. Shout out to him. Amazing amazing producer and we had already cut aband- version of it. And i get an email saying hey man. I totally changed. I need you tonight overnight. Last night i haven't gone to sleep. And i hope you like it. And he sent it to me and it was like this halftime dirty feels. Oh man this is nasty. I was like okay. I love this. This is not where with it. But i love this and yeah. The rest is history. I always loved doing that. 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What how'd you audition or how'd you get on the show. And what was the experience like. Yeah man for sure so The voice i was on season two so it was the the first season to really explode. We actually premiered after the super bowl and had like record the viewers. I don't know what the numbers were but It was crazy man in quite honestly just being super blunt. I hate reality tv. I don't like it. I never have I always had somewhat of you know onno. Stay away from that. Because i think reality. Tv over the years has gotten a wrap of. It's just people who discovered they can sing in the shower so they make a youtube video in two weeks later. They're on the tv. And i was. I feel like one of the last generation of folks who again going. Back to my touring days. Like i paid my dues. I i played shows hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and shows before all this and you know sold records out of the car kind of the grassroots way building a fan base. And all this stuff. And it's funny i. I wanted to be known for that. Like i didn't want to be known or put in a category of folks that there's anything wrong with it but you know of fourteen fifteen year old. Who see hey. I can say in cool. We'll go stand in line and a few weeks later you might be on tv. I just felt cheap to me. If i'm honest but so what i did honestly i got your head space at the time it kind of was. Yeah i was kind of it was but it was. I talked to my buddy hobby or cologne. Who won season one. He was the first ever winner. And how hard is like a dude. Just a monster monster vocalists and i was a fan of his before i met him and i just talked to him one day and he said look man you just gotta go do it man like think about it. You can't even pay for that amount of publicity. And i'm like oh if hob is doing oh it must be cool. I like the guy for me whereas like okay so there are some people that do this. You know sure so. Yeah and it's ironically enough. My management on my behalf turned down season one sees that they had called and reached out to for me to be unseen one and they i was on the road overseas and but they knew i wouldn't do it anyway so no show had reached out to you. Yeah yeah on the show so it wasn't like you were trying to wait in the line of the kid that was trying to on. Yeah and and to be honest like again. there's nothing there's nothing wrong with that because there's multiple ways to do it and that's great and if you're out there listening you're nineteen years old and you are so do go do it. Go you know a by no means my crapping on so to speak for lack of a better term. But you know there's multiple ways to do it now and those those. I can tell you from experience all of those reality shows. They have scouts and they are constantly on youtube looking for talent and So you know be sure and update your youtube channels and guests. There's merit in and putting stuff out there even if your your friends aren't digging it or whatever that's how people are getting found exactly and So you can see. I got i got hit up like hey. Essentially i got to skip the cattle call. They call it. I just got to go and have a schedule audition in atlanta and from there i got the green light to go to la. So i basically kept around sure but it was it a real blind audition for the judges at that point. They didn't know who was coming up. No no you. That blind audition doesn't happen for months after its multiple interviews and stuff in atlanta. So the judges aren't even right or not even in in the picture yet but by the time it gets to the show that we see on. Tv they're not primed with. Oh here's chris. He was handpicked. You know no. They aren't now. i mean. see who knows. It's tv at the end of the day. There's no such thing as reality reality tv. I'll absolutely. I can say that but i will say no one backstage when i went out and did mind. No-one said hey got to pick this person who got picked. It really was. Yeah you know in my hands. So that's kind of cool and absolutely no and that's good though i wanted to. That's the reason. I wanted to ask because i don't want to just kind of people to be shocked to find out that you can get cherry picked. Sure but they're the premise of the show is still valid. The premise of getting your your face out on youtube and post in the videos and just getting yourself your content out there that there's merit to it if if you wanna leverage that type of environment for your career absolutely be it'd be a winning or be it publicity or be it you know something else. Sure they're absolutely is and yeah. It was a good time. And i had just gotten married. So this is two thousand eleven and true story. I we were in hawaii on our honeymoon and on the way home. She flew home. And i flew to l. a. So it's kind of a big bummer. So my head space. I wanna be there like it was like just. Just give me home you know. And it's a lot as reality shows man. It's a lot of yeah. I think we were out there the first round for like three weeks and you. You barely do any singing. It's a bunch of legal meetings and it's a whole bunch of sitting in a hotel staring at the wall. 'cause you're not allowed to leave the the hotel. Oh you're filming something and you don't. They don't want you to talk to people out in the public and give it away you know so it was. I wanna say it was three weeks. I could be wrong on that. Made a two and a half three weeks of just absolute boredom it. Finally once you get to film you know. Gosh you're you're up and doing interviews before you're even singing like hours and hours probably i. I was up at five. Am we probably didn't until one pm you know sis so it's a lot. This schedule is grueling on those shows. And if you're an impatient person like myself man bring something to do. You know 'cause you're going to be sitting around a lot but all black cast to write overall. I'd say it was a good experience. I was on a team and yeah just give us a quick synopsis. Folks can go. Watch the replays if they want to give us the quick synopsis and what was the takeaway I saying by bruno. Mars and Fortunately that was that. I got to do throughout the entire audition process. Sometimes people got to l. a. and they're saying and they got assigned to songs but they wanted me to keep doing the bruno tune which was cool and ironically. Enough on my blind audition. My i was sick You can tell them subaru. Or i can tell him super raspy if you watch the video and the the person before me because i was backstage the person before me in hindsight now that go back and look Her name was angel. I can't remember last night. But she got all four chairs to turn so. I'm sitting back going crap. That means what are the odds of them. You know turning around again in theory. You're you're that you're doing that thing the guy from a princess bride where he's like switching the cups around. Yeah i know in europe in your head. You're like oh crap now. What are the chances. They're all gonna go exactly. Because i'm putting myself in their shoes. If they just spun around they have a full. Because i went on the first day. I was probably like eight or nine th person to go out of three days so i'm sitting here thinking well crap. They're still being pick. Even if i'm good. Nobody might not turn the turn around because they don't wanna get you know they don't want to give away their slots with two full days left but fortunately adam and ceelo turned around and i had heard great things from adam from hobby cologne so i as soon as he turned around. I knew i was going to choose him and he was cool man throughout the process. I mean let's be honest. It's you're not buddy buddy with him It's very you've got your other people on his too. Yeah the only see. Even if you're out there for two weeks you might film with your coach for a total of three hours. That's it it's not. They're coming to the hotel and you're hanging out like you only see them when the cameras are on so but he was cool man he I remember him my my friend. Tony luca and i We're in the battle rounds together. And he ended up. He ended up winning but In her cels. I remember like the for us. Rehearsing our song on stage. A camera walk. We only did it once. Adams like man. You guys are ridiculous. I can't teach all anything. Y'all fine just just do your thing and we were like sweet whereas so he never really truthfully he never really coached me he was just giving me affirmation which i thought was cool and he was a lot more down to earth than i thought he would be and he knew going back to what i said earlier. I didn't want to be known as that guy who discovered that could sing in the shower. And next thing you know you're on tv. And i got that from. He knew that. I was a seasoned professional. And i appreciate that and he was calmed complement me a lot. And you know we're just real with me as if we were equals and i thought that was super cool. Awesome shoutout to adam. Yup he'll be on the show. I'm sure next season he'll be calling me right exactly. I get you all both on any major lessons from that. Any kind of man you know i might not do it again. Other than ex i. I certainly wouldn't do it again. Just because the reality tv thing and the sitting around and waiting and all that. It's just not my style. But i don't know if there was a big aha moment for me on the show. But what i did walk away with affirmation that yes i am supposed to be doing this and was a cool thing is. I'm getting you know. Robin thicke was on the show as a mentor and he was super cool to me. Your great row and all this stuff and adam saying great and christine aguilera was on there and she had some nice things to say and blake. Is well emmy so. It's Christina called smooth which. I appreciated that coming from her. That'll boost your confidence. Yeah so it's like. And you know. I i really just you know there were. There was nothing tangible that i learned like an a technique or anything but it was it was walking away with affirmation from people who are at the highest of the high in this business and with their affirmation. I was like okay. I'm doing what i'm supposed to be doing with my life. And i don't know if i could have walked away with anything better than that. Man that's awesome and that's there's nothing wrong with that. That's a huge takeaway. I think so. And and you know the whole while we played together off and on church because you were going in and out of your busy seasons. Yeah replay in charge. Gigs and and some cover gigs. And i remember. I now post this video on there too. We did a A michael jackson medley king of pop type thing. Yeah yeah that was fun but so now so you moved into a doing more cover band stuff again. Managing bands and and putting bands together. Now you work for huge Like chick-fil-a dave ramsey helping put the entertainment on. Or are you. Might you might phrase it a better way for your brand but tell us what you got going on here lately. Yeah so essentially a where Today is after all the performing and the which which. I'm still performing. Don't get me wrong. But i realized i'm a businessman and i really like that side of it just as much if not more than the being the actual artist. I like being in control. I like Having the having a creative vision from the beginning and seeing that through. An outsourcing other people are hiring other people and instructing them and music directing them to get to my vision and i love that so yeah so i own a four car entertainment and what we do. We are a one stop shop for anything in corporate america. So if you've got a big company like home depot. You could be a tiny tiny company with you. Know a small business but any anybody wants to put on an event. It's a very very stressful thing. You have to hire production. You've gotta make sure there's you know there's a keynote speaker or speakers there's gotta be some some of some sort of entertainment whether it's music and you have to program at meaning the order the run a show and our company does all of the above. So you don't have to go to multiple people and pay a bunch of different people and chances are pay a bunch of different people too much. So let's be honest. We're at one stop shop. We come to you we can take care of you. From the biggest line array audio rig. You need to the smallest speaker on a stand and a hotel ballroom to a massive party banned all the way down to an instrumental piano in the lobby just to set the mood and we can program it. We can music direct that we can do whatever you and we can book speakers anything all the above we can source all things to put on an event and i love doing that because i get to set my office and have a vision board and create things and then i get to see those come to life onstage and even if i'm not on stage i love calling the shots i really do. It's it's it's a good thing and also manage I also manage perform in a corporate band a very large. It's up to a fifteen piece full horn section dancers. Dj the whole nine but It's called the big beyond and we do I'm a music director and perform and business partners With my buddy ryan stewart shutout. The ryan is an amazing amazing guy. Amazing business guy and we. We do about thirty to thirty five high events a year and for big clients Like you you mentioned. Dave ramsey tillman for tita. He's a multi-billionaire. He owns all of the golden nugget casinos. He owns the houston rockets. he is. I mean everything you name it and we do. A lot of parties for his company His new year stuff so it's really high in advance and for lack of a better term. it's not necessarily. We don't look at it like a party band or a wedding band. We're more of a show band something like you'd see in vegas and it's an actual show. There's choreography and massive tracks that we put together and it's a nonstop show over three hours. Nice nice so that's obviously the big beyond don't get that confused with carson for carson's which is bigger small correct correct cool and is the best way to to find out about other of those four carson's has a great website. What about big beyond. Yeah if you go to four carson's e. n. t. dot com. You can see everything we do there. And the big beyond you can hit up our agency at sandhill entertainment dot com and they have a huge roster folks and they are great. Great people to work with Super they're run like a boutique and they take care of us and they're great people so so being a money guy and being about the money I know just from following you from our conversations that financial management's a big passion for you. Obviously you're connected in the dave ramsey events circles. But what do you have any just any thoughts around money management from a a musician standpoint. It's obviously something you've done since you were in high school And you talked earlier on about managing money poorly hopefully managing money much better now. Otherwise dave ramsey. Probably what have you but but what you know. What kind of just big like if you had one shot to just throw out there for musicians out there man. This is the biggest thing you can do to get your money in. Order your lifetime working musician for sure This is probably one of my biggest passions Discovering in my life is helping people You know by no means. Am i a financial adviser. But i love helping people win with money and meaning especially in this industry man Because everybody's heard the term starving artists and that is a negative connotation that just goes with the territory in this business no matter if you were a songwriter. If you're an artist if you're in the video world no matter what any sort of entertainment where it's not a salary gig. You're known as a starving artist or that's the potential there that's what you quote unquote sign up for and that's garbage that is complete bs and That is something that culture tells us and we don't need to tell ourselves so essentially what i like to work we can. I'm sure we'll talk about this. At length be happy if anybody ever reaches out to me may be happy to walk them through it but But yeah man. It's a really simple thing but It slightly more complicated. Because let's be honest. Each week is different. Each month is different as far as income. But it's really simple. It's just avoiding debt at all costs and living well under your means and saving and budgeting giving every dollar an assignment. Meaning on the first. Actually before the first of the month. I've already got my monthly budget. My spending my giving Everything is all out allocated to each individual accounts and it does its work and so on the first all. My bills are technically all done for that month. All spending is done for that month. And there's it's learning discipline and you know we. My family puts x. amount in a spending account. That's that's our gas. That's our groceries. Whatever and if we get down to the end of the month and there's four days left to guess what we're not doing. We're not going out to eat. I could take it out of another account. But i'm going to be disciplined and learn how to and at the end of the day man. You win with money that way and do not ever ever ever buy into the starving artist thing. It's a joke. And the dave ramsey who's a friend and client But i also if. I'm super super fan. I'm a huge fan. I've seen it word. You drink the green kool-aid dude and it's it's life changing man. If you read his book the total money makeover it walks you through all that and every i mean millions and millions copies sold and millions of people have gotten outta debt because of it and learn to win with money and Yeah i wish. It's one of those things where i look back like dang. I wish i knew that at a younger age you know well and even so and this is what i want to do with. Future conversations with your. It's it's hard to make the connection. I think between sometimes between financial management systems kind of built for the rest of the world versus the not necessarily quote unquote starving artists. But just the the the the gig worker or any contract labor with a very you know fluctuating schedule of income. So we're going to unpack that in future episodes. I hope and hopefully you'll you'll be back and and we'll put some more content out there for folks man. I've had a blast catching up with you. I love hearing your story And and see. And i love watching where you're going on on facebook and instagram. And and obviously you know you and sandra doing fantastic things Love that you're still in atlanta so we can still cross paths Yeah man absolutely and currently. We're all going stir crazy because we're stuck in our houses. That are quarantined. Aren't we in that final. But if you're listening. This is in the height of the corona virus. But we're going to make the best out of it. And i'm confident that we're gonna come out of this better people and there's going to be a creative renaissance and i. I really believe that i really do. I believe that hundred percent to and that's why we're doing this. That's why we're doing this podcast and getting this There's knowledge out there. How how you guys got the gigs. How how the folks out there can come out of this with with. Nba prepared to to take on more gigs. And you know research teams. Well thanks for having me brother. I appreciate it absolutely. thanks chris. Hey and thanks for listening to podcasts. A platform built by working musicians and producers to help you get more auditions mortgage and more what you want on jay. The tour bus driver. If you like what you hear you can do a couple of things you can. Subscribe to our podcast. Wherever you get your podcast you can find us online. And like us wherever you do your social media. If you have any comments or questions you can go to the tour bus podcast dot com slash tip jar and leaves a comment or question or you can email tip jar at the tour. Podcasts dot com theme music provided by the rock tonics and at philly stacks music.

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Chris Cauley (Tyler Perry, NBCs The Voice, Four Carsons Entertainment)

The Tour Bus Podcast

1:01:20 hr | 1 year ago

Chris Cauley (Tyler Perry, NBCs The Voice, Four Carsons Entertainment)

"Hey and welcome to the tour bus. Podcast I'm your host Jay tour bus driver today we're talking with NBC's the voice alarm and owner of four Carson's entertainment. Chris colleague as usual before all that Chris and I got to play a bunch of gigs around south Atlanta to get season and make money Chris with two around college campuses with an organization to pay great money for anyone had an act for entertaining that led to performing for Tyler Perry stage play in a Michael Jackson tribute tour that ultimately Chris all over the world. Here's Christmas story from small stages in Atlanta to the voice now managing musicians and artists for some of the biggest corporate events in the world. I love his heart and his passion for his gift. Take a listen to this fantastic interview with Chris. Collie we are quarantined. Aren't we in that? I don't know where this go out. But if you're listening this is in the height of the corona virus. But we're GONNA make the best out of it and I'm confident that we're going to come out of this better people and there's going to be a creative renaissance and I. I really believe that I really do. You mean you're making a thousand bucks if you do one hundred of those a year man looking real good so I started making a lot of connections in Atlanta. That is where I got to see the World Amsterdam Barcelona Monte Carlo in Monaco on the Mediterranean in a matter of fact that's where I got engaged and he sent it to me and it was like this halftime dirty field office is nasty. I was like okay. I love this. She got all four chairs to turn so. I'm sit back to go crap. Do not ever ever ever buy into the starving artist thing. It's a joke. Hey Chris thanks for being here man. I'm so glad you're on the show today. Great to be here. I'm glad this worked out man absolutely absolutely so we can jump right in. We played together kind of some churches and some cover. Gigs probably two thousand teens. Early two thousand teens from Atlanta you're from Atlanta which I am as well. That's so rare for like a such a transplant city. But I always leave and people always say I don't. I don't know if you get this but like you know they'll say oh no where you from Atlanta and they go no originally I said note really Atlanta. I like no can't be right right. Well I'd say I'm a greedy baby. I wasn't born grady. But and I don't know if I can take that term if it if it goes for just anybody born a native Atlantan Point I was born I was born at a. Dekalb generale around anymore older yes. I don't even know what to say so I'm I claim grady. Baby might be the name of my first album. I don't know but you're from Atlanta huge Atlanta Sports Fan. You're saying it Atlanta sports events and involved in Atlanta sports radio. Yeah that's right. I do the do the theme song for Chuck and Chernoff Show. Which is the biggest show in the southeast at on your drive home? It's a super bydesign. It's a super annoying. Catchy Jingle bydesign. That's what I was to be and you want you here at the preface. What exactly I was like man this song. I can't get it out of the head. I was like well. That was the goal so when win right right so so let's dig it so we'll we'll do your early life real quick if you can and then so right before we started hanging out and playing together you were running in a college tour circuit singing but Kinda. How'd you get involved in singing? I and what were your influences. And then what got you into that too because I know a lot of our listeners are probably looking for where to find their next GIG and and you know when you talked to me about this before. I had no idea that was even a thing. So so tell me about that and a but you know musical influence throwing up. And what what got you into the college tour circuit absolutely growing up. I was always super shy. I don't even think I saying in front of anyone until I was probably a senior in high school to be honest. And it was had the role of Danny in the musical grease so I had the lead role and I noticed I was always joke around but it is true that I had. I had these two girls one of which I had a crush on and we were doing the show for a week. You know in our school and they bought tickets to every single show and they were all a giggly out there. It's like hey maybe I can do this. And honestly that's when I started realizing you know okay. Maybe this is a career path but he but even before that My grandmother was a bluegrass musician and she had a rower show. Yeah Way Way. Back in the day and She was a Yodeler and a little flat picker and she had a little trio in the mountains of Virginia. Yeah so just. Even though by music you know is couldn't be further from bluegrass. I think I learned to appreciate all music at a young age. And and the the talent behind it and the kidding you know and Because Yeah I'm definitely in the soulful pop thing I lean. R&b like crazy. And that's what. I was singing. You know when I was I feel like all of us is especially I mean. I guess if we're all listen to this everybody when you're younger had that moment where you grab your remote control and in your room and you crank up your stereo and your singing to the mirror singing to somebody and I was always thinking boys to men. I was always singing. You know even like Keith. Sweat old school man. I was all into all types of music but my my mom and dad grew up. My Dad was a big James Brown fan and my mom was big earth wind fan so I was this man. I was this little little white kid in rural cumming Georgia at the time listening to soulful music. And that's kind of where that came from man that's awesome man. My Dad my parents took me to the rolling stones concert in like eighty five or eighty six awhile and I was four or five years old. I slept in the Bobby Dodd Stadium. Yeah Bobby Dodd Stadium and I slept in the seats. A little bit All I remember is they had big blow up Naked Women on each side of the stage. Oh it's perfect for four year old absolutely absolutely and then and then they took me to see love it and then. My Dad was always listening to steely Dan. In the car sustains awesome grew up with just a real eclectic right and my brother was eight years older than I am and got me into guns and roses and Michael Jackson Metallica and all kinds of stuff at that was popular so yeah man so definitely can respect that so getting through high school and into the college tour. How did that? How did that come about about that? And tell us about the organization it was through. Yeah sure so I I out of high school. I signed a really small independent record deal which sounds way cooler than it was but basically some guy decided. Some guy was a former lawyer. He had some money. He decided to start a label he signed to me. I think it was a five thousand dollar signing bonus and you would have thought. I won the lottery but from that he actually introduced me to Organization called Neka in a CA which is the National Association for Campus Activities. And essentially the best way I can explain. It is those of you who've gone to college or perhaps in college right now. You whether or not you pay a student activity fee which goes to a big budget and the Student Activities Board or council. Whatever your school is. They have a budget that they have to spend to entertain you all your on campus so you could be walking through the student comments and there might be a musician out there and nine times out of ten. No that's your dorm mate. That somebody they brought in from out of state and their touring so it's kind of funny how it works so comedians magicians musicians. You name it so what I did man. I hit the pavement and we were doing gosh probably close to one hundred schools year for a long time. So I've played every small town colleges at a thousand people and then I've played big schools like University Kentucky with Amos Lee. We did a few shows and University of Florida but even in West Texas. I mean these smaller school. You can imagine always. It's always funny to me. I was run into people. And you know you get no one. You know doing the well. Yeah where where are you from type thing and oh you would never hear. The town is like no time. You chances are have been there and you know right from all over the country man just kind of pay the dues just grinding it on the pavement eaten. Sellin records out of the car and sleeping in crappy hotels and kind of living the dream at the time right and I was early two thousands. Yeah Yeah it was probably. Oh four if I had to guess okay. Yeah and how long? How long did that go on? And to what level did it kind of supports your your income. And we'll kind of dig into some lessons learned. Maybe yeah sure. What's funny is I think the the market has completely changed the the knack of circuit. But man you used to go to the to the big conference and it's set up like a job fair like you're you're rep by an agency and you go if you're lucky. If you get selected to showcase on stage you play like a fifteen twenty minute set and then if they like you. Basically all of the reps from all the colleges including their student activity boards. They go to your booth you sign autographs. You meet people and then essentially you walk away with a tour because your agency gets and all the schools suck. I want him on this date. Well I want him on this day and the next thing you know it's pretty great but yeah I mean honestly the money. I'm not sure of the market now but it used to be fantastic. I mean Gosh you could be making at the time. Well I mean think think. Think about a twenty two year old kid. You know in the early two thousand. Yeah you're making a thousand thousand six. Yeah I mean you're you're making a thousand something like that. Yeah after agency our agency gets cut. And there's some travel expenses but if you do one hundred of those a year man. You're looking real good you know and of course. I was so I was a typical young silly kid and I didn't really know how to save money but Like like most of us but But all that to say that's circuit and I'm assuming it's somewhat the same but if you really work on it and you have a really good promo video and you sell yourself to agency. It's a good means to make a living for sure. Well man that's also how long. How long did you do that for? Gosh that was probably off and on for if I had to guess maybe eight years or so to be honest. Hit The we at the pinnacle of it and we you know we want some awards the most you know best coffeehouse quote Unquote Act this year and whatever year it was and so that meaning we. We just got the most bookings and we're the most Sought after act. I guess to go to your your school and So yeah it was. It was a great time and it was it. Was you know it's easy? I mean looking back on it. A young twenty something. I wish I had my head on straight a little more easy to get trump and and just do stupid stuff as most kids do but essentially Right out of high school if you really look at the timeline of it right out of high school. I'm signing a deal and a year or two later. I'm on the road. I mean it's like hello real world. You know there's no more English class now. It's like hitting the pavement and see and stuff and the on the road majority say notice stuff. Yeah exactly how she did that for so you did that for a good while. It sounds like through your twenties for the most part. Where did what? What opportunity did you get from that? Or how did you were? You able to leverage anything in that in the circuit to kind of go from there to your next step. Yeah I think honestly what I take away from my time. College touring is probably just experience. I mean truthfully the depending on the night each show depends on the quality of the student activity board at the school. That booked you meaning. You could go one night and have a contact or a board who so excited about you come. And they've promoted it and they put you in a theater and there's three hundred people there four hundred people there and then you could go the very next night an hour up the road and it's the the person in charge is just doing it to get some credit and they don't care about the actual event itself there's no promotion and there might be three people no joke one time. They put me in a computer lab and there was one dude in there and when he saw US setting up he turned around looked at us and he put his headphones on you. So it's like all that to say I mean and this is when the Youtube Star Church Church youth camps that started like that exactly and and this is when the youtube thing was really starting to take off so people were recording us our shows and honestly dude We had we would travel to wherever and people were singing our songs back to us and even though they weren't released they were just seeing them live versions on Youtube. I was like how cool is that. You know so it was a good. It was a good way to get exposure and to gain fame and to make really great money But at the same time it's really just every single day was a different situation and it wasn't pretty one By no means was glamorous. It was cutting teeth pay in your dues and learning how to work an audience. Even if there's three people or three hundred or four hundred and you just learn to work an audience and tell funny jokes and be silly and not take yourself too serious. Is there a place that If you find yourself taking it too seriously as place you have to go to kind of mentally trick yourself into like. Hey man three people give it. Give it the three thousand. Yeah absolutely mean I think that circuit to be honest that circuit unfortunately gone are the days of record labels paying attention and go. Hey man this this guys out there tour and like crazy but you know all you have to do like is tour that circuit with the understanding that you're not necessarily going to get a deal out of it but just take it for what it is. It's it's a great circuit to make great money build some fans get some emails on your mailing list and just cut your teeth. You know. But when I was young I was thinking this was going to launch me into a big record deal you know and so I was a little disappointed in that because quite honestly record labels. Don't pay attention to your amount of tour dates from colleges. They just don't because it's a completely separate world but may have but once. I stopped taking myself so serious and just doing it for what it was a man it was it was a blast and even if it was one of those shows where there's three people you know at the end of the day. I'm getting paid really well to travel and play music for an hour an hour show. That's it so I was like man. How could I complain about this? So it's all about perspective you know and I learned that at a young age as well sure. Now that's GONNA perspective being able to zoom out and say you know Kinda. This is the big picture and this is where this event fits in. So let me give it everything I got right and especially for folks that have hopefully are listening to multiple of these. Podcasts are going to find out that they're going to see a pattern that you guys giving it everything you got for. The three people is usually what opens up the door down the road. Not necessarily you giving it your all for three thousand people. Because that's kind of easier expected right. I mean one thousand percent. I mean it's it's all about habits and honestly just honoring honoring the craft. Nothing worth it is handed to you. You know it's not supposed to be easier otherwise we would do it. And that's just not the case and you have to be okay with that you know there's zero entitlement and this business has a funny way of knocking. You back down to Earth once. You think you've made it Yup. I picked up a picked. Up From my father-in-law is the hard way. As the easy way which basically goes both ways right. If you put in the hard work it will ultimately becomes the easy way to have done it absolutely but if you try to put in the easy work it becomes the hard way to do exactly as the hard way the hard ways easy way a anyways and that applies here is exactly what you're saying. Hundred percent applies in the business world. As well where I do most of my work cool so you did that for a while. And where where'd you go from there? And what made you Kinda step out? Yes sure so. I was still kind of doing it for a long time. Slowly slowly tapered off. I mean I started over this time I was married. I ended up having a Kiddo three years ago so technically. I'm still on an active roster. I just don't get as offers like I used to because I kind of made it clear to my through. Neka yes I. I made it clear that agency is like. I don't really want to go do that that much anymore. If something comes up cool hit me up I'll say your name but You know in you know desires change. I didn't really want to be on the road row dog in it so much. A hundred percent began with that right. So like from there Gosh years and years of doing that but while I was home in the summer because obviously at the time. There's there's no touring there's no college during the summer. So I started making connections in Atlanta just being that I was born and raised here and there was a started making a name for myself and I would have residency gigs. I'd play Sambuc Jazz Club on Thursday nights I would play Gosh there was a cigar bar and Alfa Reta Georgia. I would play on Friday nights and it was just. It was always places to play and I was always getting GIG GIG GIG GIG and I would just start striking up relationships man relationship. I you know and then I started. Land some great gigs. And Gosh from there I joined a cover band does like corporate party stuff so they need the tour bus. The whole nine yards so base. Go on the weekends. If if there's really expensive fancy wedding you know in Texas or something. We'd go and we'd perform do cover tunes and it was like a dance thing so you dress up and you got a big huge ban. I'm sure we've all seen stuff like that at weddings yet. Insane with corporate events started doing that as well with with this band and I started getting attention from Tyler. Perry's world who is obviously a media mogul And I got I got asked to be in the cast of his stage. Play musical called laugh to keep from crying and that was I want to say that was around. Two thousand eleven to two thousand ten thousand eleven and Man. We were playing For about two and a half months on the road nonstop playing sold out theaters. All across the country is great. What did you get from the Tyler? Perry GIG both From a networking standpoint and talent wise. Like what did you? What did you grow as an artist in that season? Yeah man my takeaway. From that was to be honest. I always tell people People are so kind to come up and say man. How do you get here? What how did you get to be able to do this? Or how did you get to know how to do this? Vocally or whatever it may be an honestly I tell people hey go suck for awhile. Meaning get out of your little pond big fish thing and go and be the least talented person in the room and on the on the Tyler Perry tour. I was by far the least towns a person in the room but I learned so you just a sponge. Oh such a sponge dude. I was the first one off the bus. I was getting people's luggage and by far and I was one of the. I think I was the youngest person. Because the these folks I mean you Cheryl Pepsi Riley. Who is an RN? B. Singer in the nineties had a couple of hits and Palmer Williams Junior? Who's on all Tyler Perry's TV shows? I mean these are older folks you know they got fifteen twenty years on me and some of them were singing on Broadway all this stuff and I am a little old me you know. What was the reception like? They were great this young kid. Yeah Yeah I was the one of two white folks and there was a female named Stephanie Ferret. Who's unbelievable singer But the because of my attitude going in the reception was great. Meaning I I walked in. I had Zero Pride Zero entitlement. I was there to learn. I was there to complement the other's and just you know kind of have the I was. I was super vulnerable and I was not a threat to the folks in other words. I didn't come in acting like you know I've got all this swag and walking around like belong. No I was the opposite I was like. I'm so thankful to be here. Thank you so much for allowing me to be in this cast. What can I learn? Feel free to critique me you know if I can do something better please feel free to let me know. Can I help you with this? Let me get your bag. You know I was paying my dues. I knew I'm very very socially aware and I think that's so for folks as you're just start now. Go hit open mics. Go Suck for a while you've got to. You've got to get out there. Get Out of the comfort zone. Go learn and be a sponge instead of being the big fish small pond. Because guess what you're not GONNA learn you're not gonNA grow if you're that person so I love Being the the lease towns a person in the room honestly. And that's where all my connections come from and and I have no problem. Admitting there's always someone out there that's way better and that once it more than you and I always had that in the back of my brain. I was always humble and hungry for that. Are you a competitive person by nature I am I feel like the older? I've gotten the least competitive I get I like to celebrate other people's success and there's not a lot of jealousy. There used to be obviously but I feel like the older. You get the more experience you get the more comfortable you become your own skin and absolutely and this business isn't any business to be quite honest. That's just life and I love. I mean this business is cutthroat enough as it is so I love to celebrate us to celebrate other people's wins and They do the same for me and I. I just think sure look. There's enough talent to go around. There's enough gigs to go around. There's enough you name it. There's enough records to go around. We don't need to compete with one another. We need to lift each other up. Man That's fantastic Perception absolutely see Did Tyler. Perry or you did the Tyler Perry Gig. How did how did that turn out. And where did you go? You went to a Michael Jackson tribute tour from there. Yeah so that that show. Unfortunately we were supposed to be out for fourteen months. Touring theaters all over the country and as an aside. That's the most fun I've ever had in my professional life. I wish I could do it again tomorrow. Unfortunately we got taken off the road. Pretty quickly About two months in. Unfortunately Tyler's mom had passed away so we we all got you know everything. Production to Scott immediately. I think we're in Detroit at the Fox theater and our tour manager came back so hey guys a meeting and I said Hey. This is what happened. This is our last stop. So we're going home in a couple of days so we were supposed to play the Kodak in l. a. where the Oscars and all those awards shows we're supposed to play the Fox in Atlanta. Which would have been a dream for me and all these huge amazing iconic venues and that got cut short unfortunately but from there One of the CAST members. I struck up a friendship with I got a call randomly. Probably a few months later this out of the blue and Yeah I joined A Michael Jackson tribute show called man in the mirror and that was put on by spirit. Productions out of London and Yeah they wanted a white guy and the the guy had worked spirit reductions in the past and he was like. Hey I know the white guy let me call him and so man. It was a blast. It was like a theater show. It definitely wasn't an impersonation it wasn't like that it was more okay five or six singers doing their take and we'll each. Each person had their own moments throughout the show but liberty. Yeah absolutely we had set would change and we had dancers and That is where I got to see the world The company was based in London did Multiple UK tours. We did Amsterdam Barcelona Monte Carlo. In Monaco right on terrain and a matter of fact. That's where I got engaged. I flew my now wife out there and I proposed and the exotic gardens looking over the Mediterranean in Monte Carlo. It was ridiculous same spot. Let's ask the same right so that was so cool and getting to see the world. I think that was that was one show where you know. There was a lot of a lot of stresses that went with it. You know the day to day. Miss home in All kinds of stuff. I'm I'm all the way across the world but I still woke up with. I cannot believe I get to do this. I'm getting paid to sane and my voice is taking me all over the world like literally. I just thought that was so cool. I would never ever have those opportunities coming from. You know small Georgia at the time. Now it's a bigger down. Obviously but when I grew up a hardee's dairy queen you know and this little you know southern boy from rural Georgia now gets toured the World Sing and soul music from Michael Jackson. I mean that was A. That's a dream you know so I I look back on that and yes now like the music sucked either right right every night man. I never got old. It really. Didn't that performance itself and just getting to see the world and try like there was one day you know because we would go into a city and if those of you listening wherever you live if you think about your nearest theatre or whatever or win like Hamilton comes to town. It's there for two or three weeks. You know it was kind of the same thing so we weren't just in an out. We were in a city for a long time so we got to see a lot of the cities and there. There was one weekend in Amsterdam We had already seen the city. We'd been there two weeks or so and we had two consecutive days off and I was kind of a loner at this point to be quite honest I didn't really hang with a lot of the cast because I miss my wife. I wanted to be in my room facetime with her. I didn't want to get into some of the things the others who were doing. I'll leave it at that but yeah two weeks in Amsterdam right right so I don't want to get into all that but so one day I used to stay up super super late over there so it would be on time so I'd stay up till five. Am and which is normal bedtime for the US. I can't remember the exact time difference but sure but I would watch braves games on my laptop till four or five in the morning and Amsterdam you know and just act like that was a hard fan and I would sleep super late and but yeah there was. There was one morning I woke up. I was like man. I WANNA Google. How far is Paris from here and I just looked up and auto whim. I bought a train ticket. I think is a three and a half hour direct train ride and I went to Paris for the day by myself and I walked her. I was there for probably ten eleven hours. Did the Eiffel Tower thing. You all the touristy stuff went to the Louvre and just got back on. The train went back to Amsterdam and I did all that by myself on a whim it was just so cool to get to see the world like that so it sounds like man that was a pretty terrific gig But it couldn't have been just all terrific other than missing Sandra and and being away from home and the weird hours like what part of the Grind. Kinda was difficult. It sounds like him but surely something was hard. Sure absolutely well for first off as a just a thirty thousand view for those listening no matter what Gig you get A. You could be drummer out there wanting to land the biggest most a list act ever. I promise you there are downsides to it in those terms would tell you what those are. There's no matter what you do. Every gig every single gig there's there's there's rough patches because you know we only see the performance right but there's there's a grind behind the scenes and for me on that tour. I think if I'm super honest. The the management of the company that we were out with was not great They were a little sketch and yet look out. Make sure you got your correct amount in your check. And you know stuff like that. And you had to you know some cities the contact or the talent booker. Who brought us in to the city would cover art lodging and all this stuff so in Monte Carlo which is one of the in the country of Monaco is one of the most richest countries in the world and they put us up in a five star hotel. Oh well I'm in a five star hotel for three weeks in freaking paradise right. But then we go to the U. K. Tour where the company funds it and. We couldn't get ten euros a day to go to McDonald's and we will maintain and slums so I think that is what was the tough part is different city city. We just never really knew and you know a I learned very quickly that hey at the end of the day this this company and the people in charge there trying to make money. They're not necessarily looking out for us. I saw I learned that I learned a lot of business and had to have some conversations and learn to really go over my contracts and that people look over my contracts before I sign anything. Yeah no absolutely and then and you know good on you for figuring that out having your wits about you did to dig into that stuff. Yeah Man At the end of the day I'm out there yes I was quote unquote living the dream at the time for a lot of these stops but at the end of the day. I've got a wife to take care of. I've got a roof over my head. I got a mortgage. I gotTa pay if you mess with my money. At the time I had this little thing can be more money. We got problem. I'M GONNA get I'm GonNa give you married married exactly so I say that Kinda tongue-in-cheek but in all reality it I learned to you know because they're going to sell you whether it's a label whether it's a Gig like this or they're going to sell you you get to do this. You get to do that. And it's GONNA sound awesome and it is awesome but don't look over the contract. I don't don't glaze over it like make sure you're taking care of. I make sure you know every facet before you sign up for something. We'll also man so yes so definitely not all you know rainbows and butterflies even on a really awesome. Gig Like that did. How did you come out of that? And where'd you go to next? Yes I ended up coming home for for awhile and by this point. I'd been touring like crazy from tyler. Perry to M J thing to the college touring and and I started kind of itching to really put out more music and a lot of it was was You know I was getting emails and people out in public. Hey Man when when are you gonNA make recommending and make a record and the whole point you know of me going in and recording my turn the whole theme was like okay. I've done all of these things for other people. Meaning you know Michael Jackson to Tyler. Perry odd all this stuff but now it's my turn and now I'm GONNA do. I'm GonNa do this for me. I'M GONNA CRESA music that I want to put out and going back to our did an EP. You know at the time you know now. Nowadays even no one's really listening to full length records anymore. Unfortunately so we adapted to that we put out five great tunes and the theme of it is. It's soulful pop with Melody Melody Melodies and hooks for days so it's a three year old can sing along with. It actually used to say that when I was promoting it but now I have a three year old and he does sing along with it so I can vouch for that. Now and play along with three. Zero can sing along with it. But the the musician's musician will go. Oh Dang that baseline was nastier. Oh that I love. I love the record. The EP annexed to the original songs are just like you said catchy. Great Hooks great melodies great lyrics but then there's a cover of need you tonight by in excess just a sexy sexy song dude. It's cool man funny story about that is I've always. I've always loved an excess and I feel like oftentimes the eighties nineties. That genre there it can kinda get looked at as a little cheesy but man if you really listen if you take away the somebody in the throat right right. I mean I'm in the same boat dude like I love it so I decided to do was like okay. Let's take the song. But let's just take the vocal and the lyrics and let's do something completely more modern in different ways because it's a sexy you're right and my buddy trae Roth. Shout out to him. Amazing amazing producer and we had already cut aband- version of it and I get an email saying hey man I totally changed. I need you tonight overnight. Last night I haven't gone to sleep and I hope you like it. And he sent it to me and it was like this halftime dirty feels. Oh Man. This is nasty. I was like okay. I love this. This is not where with it but I love this and yeah the rest is history. I always love doing that. I love covering tunes that people think about covering number one or they don't think about the song in Genre or that style. I love doing them putting a fat take only some cool tunes J. Tour bus driver and it's time for a union break so if you're a musician a producer any kind of worker in the GIG economy. Then you're GONNA want to reach out to my friends John and Kristy at element. 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Cpa You can go to this podcast dot com slash element to learn more. Get back on the bus and catch up with our guest. This season is about how? How how you guys got your gigs. How you guys Navigated the last twenty years that I've gotten to watch all of you. Kind of see your careers. Blow up musically A A big part of that is auditioning and so. You actually auditioned on the voice as well. So can we talk about? What kind of made you want to do that. And and how you got. You know. Kind of walk us through. What how'd you audition or how'd you get on the show? And what was the experience like? Yeah man for sure so The voice I was on season two so it was the the first season to really exploded. We actually premiered after the Super Bowl and had like record the viewers. I don't know what the numbers were but it was crazy man in quite honestly just being Super Blunt. I hate reality TV. I don't like it. I never have I always had somewhat of a you know onno stay away from that because I think reality. Tv over the years has gotten a wrap of. It's just people who discovered they can sing in the shower so they go make a youtube video in two weeks later. They're on the TV. And I was. I feel like one of the last generation of folks who again going back to my touring days like I paid my dues. I I played shows hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and shows before all this and you know sold records out of the car kind of the grassroots way building a fan base and all this stuff. And it's funny I. I wanted to be known for that. Like I didn't want to be known or put in a category of folks that there's anything wrong with it but you know Of Fourteen fifteen year old. Who See hey I can say cool. We'll go stand in line and a few exert or you might be on TV. I just felt cheap to me if I'm honest But so what I did honestly. I got your head space at the time. It kind of was. Yeah I was kind of it was but it was. I talked to my buddy hobby or Cologne. Who WON SEASON ONE? He was the first ever winner. And Okay how hard is like a dude just a monster monster vocalists and I was a fan of his before I met him and I just talked to him one day and he said look man you just gotTa go do it man like think about it. You can't even pay for that amount of publicity and I'm like Oh if Hob is doing oh it must be cool. You know so. He was kind of like the guy for me whereas like okay so there are some people that do this. You know sure so. Yeah and it's ironically enough. My management on my behalf turned down season one sees they had called in reached out to for me to be unseen one and they. I was on the road overseas and but they knew I wouldn't do it anyway so no thanks show had reached out to you. Yeah Yeah on the show so it wasn't like you were trying to wait in the line. Well next to the kid that was trying to never mind. Yeah and and to be honest again. There's nothing there's nothing wrong with that because there's multiple ways to do it and that's great and if you're out there listening you're nineteen years old and you are so do go do it. Go you know by no means my crapping on it so to speak for lack of a better term. But you know there's just multiple ways to do it now and those those I can tell you from experience all of those reality shows. They have scouts and they are constantly on. Youtube looking for talent. And so you know be sure and update your youtube channels and guests. There's merit in and putting stuff out there even if your your friends aren't digging it or whatever that's how people are getting found exactly and So you can see I got. I got hit up like hey. Essentially I got to skip the cattle call. They call it. I just got to go and have scheduled audition in Atlanta and from there. I got the green light to go to La. So I basically kept around sure but it was it a real blind audition for the judges at that point. They didn't know who was coming up. No no you. That blind audition doesn't happen for months after its multiple interviews and stuff in Atlanta. So the judges aren't even right or not even in in the picture yet but by the time it gets to the show that we see on. Tv they're not primed with. Oh here's Chris. He was handpicked. You Know No. They aren't now. I mean who knows it's TV at the end of the day. There's no such thing as reality reality. Oh absolutely I can say that but I will say no one backstage when I went out and did mind. No-one said hey you gotta pick this person who got to pick. It really was. Yeah you know in my hands so that's kind of cool and absolutely no and that's good though I wanted to. That's the reason I wanted to ask because I don't want to just kind of people to be shocked to find out that you can get you know. Cherry picked sure. But they're the premise of the show is still valid. The premise of getting your your face out on youtube and post in the videos and just getting yourself your content out there that there's merit to it. If if you WANNA leverage that type of environment for your career absolutely be it'd be a winning or be it publicity or be it. You know something else. Sure they're absolutely is and yeah. It was a good time and I had just gotten married. So this is two thousand eleven and true story. I we were in Hawaii on our honeymoon and on the way home. She flew home and I flew to L. A. So it was kind of a big bummer. So my head space out there like it was like just just give me home you know. And it's a lot as reality shows man. It's a lot of yeah. I think we were out there the first round for like three weeks and you. You barely do any singing. It's a bunch of legal meetings and it's a whole bunch of sitting in a hotel staring at the wall. 'cause you're not allowed to leave the the hotel. Oh you're filming something and you don't. They don't want you to talk to people out in the public and give it away you know so it was. I WANNA say it was three weeks. I could be wrong on that. Mitt to half three weeks of just absolute boredom it finally once you get to film you know. Gosh you're you're up and doing interviews before you're even singing like hours and hours but I think I I was up at five. Am We probably didn't until one PM? You know sis this schedule grueling on those shows and if you're an impatient person like myself man bring something to do. You know 'cause you're going to be sitting around a lot you know all right overall. I'd say it was a good experience. I was on Adam Levine's team and just give us a quick synopsis. You know folks can go watch the replays if they want to give us the quick synopsis and what was the takeaway. Yeah Man I saying grenade by Bruno Mars and Fortunately that was that I got to do throughout the entire audition process. Sometimes a lot of people got to L. A. And they're saying and they got assigned to songs but they wanted me to keep doing the Bruno tune which was cool and ironically enough on my blind audition my I was sick You can tell them Subaru or I can tell. I'm Super Raspy if you watch the video and the the person before me because I was backstage the person before me in hindsight now that go back and look Her name was angel. I can't remember her last name but she got all four chairs to turn so. I'm sitting back there going crap. That means what are the odds of them. You know turning around again in theory. You're doing you're that you're doing that thing the guy from a princess bride where he's like switching the cups around. Yeah I know in your in your head. You're like Oh crap now. What are the chances? They're all gonna go exactly because I'm putting myself in their shoes. If they just spun around they have a full. Because I went on the first day I was probably like the eighth or ninth person to go out of three days so I'm sitting here thinking well crap. They're still being pick. Even if I'm good. Nobody might not turn around because they don't WanNa get you know. They don't want to give away their slots with two full days left but fortunately atom and CEELO turned around and I'd heard great things from Adam from Hobby Cologne so I as soon as he turned around. I knew I was going to choose him and he was cool man throughout the process. I mean let's be honest. It's you're not buddy buddy with him It's very you've got your other people on his two. Yeah you only see. Even if you're out there for two weeks you might film with your coach for a total of three hours. That's it it's not like they're coming to the hotel and you're hanging out like you only see them when the cameras are on so but he was cool man he I remember him. My my friend. Tony Luca I We're in the battle rounds together. And he ended up. He ended up winning but In our her cels I remember like the for us. Rehearsing our song on stage like a camera walk through. We only did it once. Adams like man. You guys are ridiculous. I can't teach all anything. Fine just just do your thing and we were like sweet whereas so he never really truthfully he never really coached me he was just giving me affirmation which I thought was cool and he was a lot more down to earth than I thought he would be and he knew going back to what I said earlier. I didn't want to be known as that guy who discovered that could sing in the shower. And next thing you know you're on TV. And I got that from. He knew that I was a seasoned professional and I appreciate that and he was competent. Complement me a lot. And you know we're just real with me as if we were equals and I thought that was super cool. That's awesome shoutout to Adam. Yup He'll be on the show. I'm sure next season he'll be calling me right exactly. I get you all both on any major lessons from that any kind of man. If you know I might not do it again. Other than ex I. I certainly wouldn't do it again just because the reality TV thing and the sitting around and waiting and all that. It's just not my style. But I don't know if there was a big Aha moment for me on the show but what I did walk away with or was affirmation that yes I am supposed to be doing this and was a co thing is. I'm getting you know. Robin Thicke was on the show as a mentor and he was super cool to me. Your Great Bro. And all this stuff and Adam saying gray and Christina Aguilera was on there and she had some nice things to say and Blake is well emmy so it's Christina called me smooth which I appreciated that coming from her. That'll boost your confidence. Yeah so it's like and you know I I really just you know there. There was nothing tangible that I learned like an a technique or anything but it was it was walking away with affirmation from people who are at the highest of the high in this business and with their affirmation. I was like okay. I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing with my life and I don't know if I could have walked away with anything better than that. Man That's awesome and that's there's nothing wrong with that. That's a huge takeaway. I think yeah so and and you know the whole while we played together off and on Church. You know because you were going in and out of your busy seasons. Yeah replay in charge gigs. And and some cover gigs. And I remember I now post this video on there too. We did a A Michael Jackson Medley King of Pop type thing. Yeah Yeah that was fun but so now so you moved into a doing more cover band stuff again. Managing bands and and putting bands together. Now you work for huge Like chick-fil-a Dave Ramsey helping put the entertainment on. Or are you might you might phrase it a better way For Your brand but tell us what you got going on here lately. Yes so essentially where I'm at Today is after all the performing and the Which which I'm still performing. Don't get me wrong but I realized I'm a businessman and I really like that side of it just as much. If not more than the being the actual artist I like being in control. I like having the having creative vision from the beginning and seeing that through. An outsourcing other people are hiring other people and instructing them and music directing them to get to my vision and I love that so yeah so I own a four car entertainment and what we do. We are a one stop shop for anything in corporate America. So if you've got you could be a big company like Home Depot. You could be a tiny tiny company with you. Know Small Business but any anybody wants to put on an event. It's a very very stressful thing. You have to hire production. You've gotTa make sure there's you know there's a keynote speaker or speakers. There's gotta be some some some some sort of entertainment whether it's music and you have to program at meaning to order the run a show and our company does all of the above. So you don't have to go to multiple people and pay a bunch of different people and chances are pay a bunch of different people too much. So let's be honest. We're a one stop shop. We come to you we can take care of you. From the biggest line array audio rig. You need to the smallest speaker on a stand and a hotel ballroom to a massive party banned all the way down to an instrumental piano in the lobby just to set the mood and we can program. We can music direct that we can do whatever you need. And we can book keynote speakers. Anything above weak and source all things to put on an event. And I love doing that because I get to set my office and have a vision board and create things and then I get to see those come to life onstage and even if I'm not on stage I love calling the shots I really do. It's it's it's a good thing and also manage I also manage and perform in a corporate band a very large. It's up to a fifteen piece full horn section dancers. Dj The whole nine but It's called the big beyond and we do I'm music director and perform and and business partners With my Buddy Ryan Stewart. Shadows Ryan is an amazing amazing guy. Mazing business guy and we we do about thirty to thirty five high events a year and for big clients Like like you you mentioned Dave Ramsey Tillman for Tita. He's a multi billionaire. He owns all of the Golden Nugget Casinos. He owns the Houston Rockets. He has everything you name it and we do a lot of parties for his company This new year stuff so it's really high in advance and for lack of a better term. It's not necessarily. We don't look at it like a a party band or a wedding band. We're more of a show ban something like you'd see in Vegas and it's an actual show. There's choreography and massive tracks that we put together and it's a nonstop show for three hours. Nice Nice so that's obviously the big beyond don't get that confused with Carson for Carson's which is big or small correct correct cool and is the best way to to find out about other of those Four Carson's has a great website. What about big beyond. Yeah if you go to four Carson's E. N. T. dot com. You can see everything we do there. And the big beyond you can hit up our agency at SANDHILL ENTERTAINMENT DOT COM and. They have a huge roster folks and they are great. Great people to work with Super they're run like a boutique and they take care of us and described people so so being a money guy and being about the money and I know just from following you from our conversations that financial management's a big passion for you. Obviously you're connected in the Dave Ramsey events circles but what do you have any Just any thoughts around money management from a a musician standpoint. It's obviously something you've done since you were in high school And you talked earlier on about managing money poorly hopefully managing money much better now. Otherwise Dave Ramsey private and have you but but what you know what kind of just big like if you had one shot to. Just throw out there for musicians out there man. This is the biggest thing you can do to get your money in. Order Your lifetime working musician for sure This is probably one of my biggest passions on discovering in my life is helping people You know by no means. Am I a financial adviser but I love helping people win with money and meaning especially in this industry man because everybody's heard the term starving artists and that is a negative connotation that just goes with the territory in this business no matter if you're a songwriter. If you're an artist if you're in the video world no matter what any sort of entertainment where it's not a salary. Gig You're known as a starving artist or that's the potential there that's what you quote unquote sign up for and that's garbage. That is complete BS and That is something that culture tells us and we don't need to tell ourselves so essentially what I like to work You know we can. I'm sure we'll talk about this at length. I'll be happy to if anybody ever reaches out to me and be happy to walk them through it but But yeah man it's a really simple thing but It slightly more complicated. Because let's be honest. Each week is different Each month is different as far as income. But it's really simple. It's just avoiding debt at all costs and living well under your means and saving and budgeting giving every dollar an assignment. Meaning on the first or actually before the first of the month. I've already got my monthly budget. My spending my giving Everything is all out and I advocate to each individual accounts and it does its work and so on the first all. My bills are technically all done for that month. Almost spending is done for that month. And there's it's learning discipline and you know we. My family puts X. amount in a spending account. That's that's our gas. That's our groceries. Whatever and if we get down to the end of the month and there's four days left to guess what we're not doing. We're not going out to eat. I could take it out of another account but I'm going to be disciplined and learn how to and at the end of the day man. You win with money that way and do not ever ever ever buy into the starving artist thing. It's a joke and the Dave Ramsey who's a friend and client But I also have. I'm Super Super Fan. I'm a huge fan. I've seen it word you drink. The green kool-aid Dude. And it's it's life changing man. If you read his book the total money makeover it walks you through all that and every I mean millions and millions of copies sold and millions of people have gotten outta debt because of it and learn to win with money and Yeah I wish it's one of those things where I look back like. Dang now wish I knew that at a younger age you know well and even so and this is what I want to do with future conversations with your curses. It's it's hard to make the connection. I think between Sometimes between Financial Management Systems kind of built for the rest of the world versus the not necessarily quote unquote starving artists. But just the the the the GIG worker or any contract labor with a very you know fluctuating schedule of income. So we're going to unpack that in future episodes. I hope and hopefully you'll you'll be back and and we'll put some more content out there for folks Man I've had a blast catching up with you. I love hearing your story And and I love watching where you're going on on facebook and instagram and and obviously you know you and Sandra doing fantastic things Love that you're still in Atlanta so we can still cross paths Yeah man absolutely and currently. We're all going stir crazy because we're stuck in our houses. That are quarantined. Aren't we in that final? But if you're listening this is in the height of the corona virus. But we're going to make the best out of it and I'm confident that we're GONNA come out of this better people and there's going to be a creative renaissance and I really believe that I really do hate. I believe that hundred percent to and that's why we're doing this. That's why we're doing this podcast and getting this There's knowledge out there. How how you guys got the gigs. How how the folks out there can come out of this with with. Nba prepared to to take on more gigs. And you know research teams. Well thanks for having me brother. 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60 Minutes to Get to the Real Core of Happiness | Throwback Thursday Keynote

The GaryVee Audio Experience

1:01:05 hr | 6 d ago

60 Minutes to Get to the Real Core of Happiness | Throwback Thursday Keynote

"It is gary v audio experience. There's there's there's so many different things to talk about today. But what i really want to focus on is really the two extremes. The more i spend time in the business world in life in general the more i realized that the middle sucks that there's so many people that got caught up in the middle and what i mean by that is i really genuinely believe that. What makes a successful business and then more importantly much more importantly i think what really helps someone be happy is really winning on the edges. And what i mean by winning on the edges is the following. I've come to realize that. Since at a very young age. I've been playing in the two extremes of having a northstar a perspective of of mindset that has allowed me to be happy and then all the way on the other extreme be wildly and deeply in practitioner ship and actually making and doing and you know even seeing this gentleman wearing the clouds dirt sneaker like that i'm not sure i'm ever gonna position anything or any product in a more honest place from where i play because really i am a complete byproduct of somebody who lives in the clouds and plays in the dirt and in the analogy. I started this with. Which is the middle sucks. I generally watch people play in the middle. They don't fully have a strategy. Or when i say strategy. They lack self awareness of who they actually are. They're deeply dependent on other people's judgment. There's a whole lot of hopes and wants versus realities and and they're just genuinely not structured to be happy because of the circumstances dna parenting environment and and that's the clouds so like it's just so fun to live a life where you're not worried about other people's opinions when you're not dwelling on the past when you lack the ability to expect things from others because what it leads to is just a whole lot of happiness it also leads to all the stuff i talk about when you genuinely are happy about your process. You really enjoying what you do. You really tuned out. Both the cheering and the boeing. All of a sudden so much could behavior comes from that. You don't buy dumb shit to impress people because you're not worried if they're impressed or they're not you do make content or start things because if it fails you're not worried about them booing you. You're not worried about the judgment you. It's just such an interesting place. And i will probably spend the majority of my next sixty years trying to get to a place where i figure out different ways how to communicate this clouds thing because it's extremely obvious to me that my mentality the way i was raised the serendipity and this is completely driven by gratitude. I get the stand up here. Because of the luck of the moment my parents decided to have sex right because this is a dna thing i mean that i genuinely mean it like like my perspective on life my complete and utter obsession with not having any expectations from any other human being having no expectations having zero entitlement genuinely not thinking i deserve anything still being in a place where and i was at the airport. Just now i took like seven southeast before i boarded at some slight and i saw him watching the whole time slides in these like you ever tired of them like member never how how how in the world can a human being tired of admiration like it's to humbling. I live a life where people think. It's cool to take a picture with me. That's that's ludicrous. That's incredible. I will never figure out how not to lean into my humility humility comes from a mindset that starts with deep self esteem and deep understanding that other people's judgments actually have zero zero impact on your life and i get to be the byproduct of tremendous parenting to have that mindset. Not everybody had that my father. Didn't i know how my grandmother raised him. And i watch how his actions go. Based on that. So i stand here orlando today with deep gratitude. For the way. I was built. When i hear the accolades when those cheers comments so easy for me to deep ball into your cheering me as a byproduct of a whole lot of greek circumstances a whole lot of good parenting which doesn't allow me to get high or ever have an ego of not the humidity on the by product. I am desperate to figure out how to put sentences together to get you understand how much that's the game. The reason i'm not interested in talking about becoming a millionaire is because i know thousands of millionaires were miserable as fuck. What i'm interested in is trying to figure out how to get you to understand why it's so fun for me to play in the dirt. What am interested in is. Why does this work for me. Why did it worked for me. Why does it work for other people that i see right because most people have no interest in putting in the deeply deeply deep hours of work required to actually be successful. Let me save you a whole lot of time. There is no shortcut or system or program or magic formula. If you want to build something that's meaningful and sustained it. It takes an obnoxious amount of hard work in perpetuity. Forever bleeding out of your fucking mouth. That's just the truth you know. Are there maneuvers. That border line are illegal or at best wildly unethical that lead to short term cash. Yes do ninety. Eight percent of those people end up losing that money or going into a very dark mental place. Yes and if you're interested in that that's awesome do you. I don't give a fuck. You're not my sister. You know you're not my kids. I don't care what i care about is being historically correct selfishly. And what i know is the following. We live in a time. That is so opportunistic. It's wildly uncomfortable. How many people over the age of forty million so for the people that have their hands up we are fortunate to have the context of understanding a world pre internet scale that how many people under the age of thirty raise your hands characters. I won my opinion deeply. The most interesting and best generation. I hate watching old people fucking shit on your on the flip side. You have the unfortunate nature of what you don't control. Which is you'd never really been punched in the mouth because the economy's been too good since you've been a grownup so you're fucking delusional. We live let me see this. This is some real talk. How many how. Many people have been running their business for five years. Raise your hand if you raise your hand and you're not crushing it. You've got a problem and let me tell you what that problem is. The last five years have been the single easiest years to build a successful business. The history of fucking time so if you just raise your hand and you're not winning and you're not happy you're in a fucking shit spot. I don't think that's a bad thing. I think that's a take a step back and think maybe this isn't the right business. Maybe i'm chasing quick cash. The reason there's so many fucking crypto and cannabis and social media. Experts is people chase trends. Not what they're good at or like not super complicated people chasing the next fast thing if one more fuck rolls up on me in public and says they have a cbd brand. I'm going to punch them in fucking nuts. I know you fuck bro. I have a infused. Peop- jerky great. dick now. What people think is like the fucking magic formula your commodities. Everybody's got one. It's now bad to be in that business. Same old shit supply and demand supply-and-demand. My friends i come here this afternoon with one agenda to put pressure on the thing that has always been tried and true self awareness and work ethic lead to happiness living in a very dangerous time even though it's great because right now we are in the white hot moment of entrepreneurship being cool. I lived the benefit of that every day hence i feel triple responsibility to remind people that it is an extremely lonely and difficult venture to be a successful entrepreneur. Most people fail and many will and god forbid the economy softens so many people are so over leveraged with raising capital or delusion that they're going to get caught and so it's just an important time right now while it's still good for everybody to truly truly realize that the it's so simple. The path to happiness is actually wanting to work fifteen hours a day whether you work nine or eleven or two or thirty. The key is you have to like it. Like you're you're talking to somebody who failed all his classes starting in fourth grade. Because i didn't like it. I was capable. I didn't like it. I have so much empathy for people trying to start businesses. Who don't like their business or are not meant to be entrepreneurs. Because i lived it for the majority of my life the entire first chapter of my life was being forced to do something. That wasn't naturally in me. I mean every day of my life now. Fifteen hours a blink. First period of eighth grade felt like fucking eternity. How many people hated school just hands so everybody who remembers like looking at the clock that she didn't move as like haven't we been in science for an hour. No four minutes. fuck me. what's crazy. Is i know a lot of your living that professionally right now and half of you're doing it because you think there's the money in that thing whether it's real estate or crypto where cannabis or t shirts or whatever might be. You're literally doing what you're doing because somebody told you or somebody you know made money in it and we have to break that you will never ever win playing a game that somebody else loves more than you. We also need a huge conversation around patience. You guys know. Push this shit if you follow me. But it's because i lived it. You know what it's like to go into a business twenty two and no you're signing up for fifteen years to build a business for your parents and you're gonna leave with nothing. That's what i did. You know when kids are like gary you don't get them like fucking get it. I fucking work fifteen hours a day. Seven days a week had no social life for fifteen years of my life to build a business for my parents and bounced with nothing and had to start intermedia at a somebody else's conference because i fucking money might get it very simply i get it a whole fucking lot. I get it the most. I love when people like oh fuck. This guy's parents gave my favorite one. His dad gave him three million dollars. No dick face. My dad had a business doing three million dollars. I worked fifteen years to build a business. The sixty five million and i left with owning none of it. Now what now what. You're fucking excuse. Johnny pants motherfucker. So you're talking to somebody who did it who left thirty four and started at zero and built what i've built in the last decade because of my experience my talent i get that and we all have different paths but people are impatient. This goes back to judgement the reason so many of you wanna win right now so fast. Is you want to show other people. This is why credit cards fucked everyone. People want to buy shit. They can't afford to show people that are actually winning versus actually winning my friends. My friends were in deep listening to me. We're in a deeply deeply complicated place where we always worried about fronting and impressing others and that used to be thirteen people and now we live complete public lives. And it's everybody. So it's compounded. Everybody's taking a hike on the weekend for the instagram photo. Not for the fucking hike people right now subconsciously. You don't even realize you're doing it right now if you took a step back you can't imagine how much you're thinking about your holiday vacation predicated on the photos you post versus the vacation itself. We live in a world where people yearn for affirmation or compliments which makes them wildly vulnerable to booing. The reason so many struggle. And you don't post with a negative hater or this is because you overvalue compliments. Which make you vulnerable to negatively. This is something we really need to start talking about like. Why are you here like why are we here today. Like i let me do on some real shit like what are we doing here. I assume if you decided to spend money on what. Say monday on a monday afternoon. And listen to this shit that you're looking for something which is cool. My curiosity is what because for me. If you're looking for tactics they're so easy. I can telling you how many people here follow me. what you think. You're going to get something crazy up here today. You know exactly what. I'm gonna fucking say i feel like aerosmith up here. I'm not playing new music. I'm gonna play the fucking classics. But the reason i keep like doing this and why it's interesting to me is i've learned in the last decade especially but kind of always knew right place right time right analogy right moment right like to me. It's been fascinating to watch. People consume my content. What's great about how i do it. And how i recommend you do it is read. Your comments read your. Dm's read your. I know a lot of your mad. I haven't texted you back. Fucking four thousand one day. I'm texan three hundred back. Just fucking catch up. But i'm telling you. I read that shit and the reason i read it is. It allows me to know what i need to talk about here. You think i knew that people were fucking super sad because their parents were paying for shit. I didn't know that my parents didn't pay for my ship. So i could have never known that. It was the thousands of emails in the last five years that i've read from kids in our twenties. Who finally reconcile the faculty go. Fuck my unhappiness comes from the fact that my parents are secretly paying for my life which consciously and subconsciously makes me feel like a fucking loser. Let me tell you something right now. You wanna get happy. Real real fast. I don't know how many people this is gonna work for in this room. But if you're in this camp if you're over the age of twenty two and your parents pay for anything on some real shit you need to leave this conference call your parents and say i'm never taking another fucking dollar from you. There is nothing more obvious to me at all the listening. I've done the last half decade. The thing i just said is leading to a stunning amount of bad. A bad between the kid and appearance a bad about that kid. All they're doing is taking that money to look like they're doing something which starts corroding you subconsciously in a way that you cannot imagine. I'm telling you living on your own. Two feet is foundational to happiness. The resentment that you're creating toward your parents and the resentment that your parents are going towards you is remarkable. it's really funny. Forty year old crowd and higher. Go up you guys remember when we were growing up. If your parents were going to help you you borrowed money. You paid it back. We're not living there anymore. And that's amazing. And i know listen as somebody who grew up with not a little and has lot. Now i look at my kids i want to but i want them to be happy. Not look like they're successful. Friends we are living in a unbelievably special time. One that the robots and four thousand years we're going to talk about is an important era and what's important about. This era is the clouds and a dirt. This is the greatest era of opportunity. It's also one of the most vulnerable eras ever because of that opportunity. This is a game of going inside. You need to map. here's a tactic. You want to write some shit down. Here is one who right down in order. Whose opinion matters to you there. We go but on some real shit. The people's opinions that matter the most to you are the things that you're most vulnerable to and you need to hack that. That is a real important hack because i'm watching. People completely live their lives based on other people's opinions from things that kind of make sense like your parents to things that make no fucking sense like a random comment on your fucking post and so for me for me. I come here today with the hope that three six eleven people hear me this time because the reality is is when like i've given you the tactics given to you one more time since we're here. The only thing that matters in the end is the ability to communicate what you're trying to achieve no matter what your services be to be this commercial that shirt this that sneaker ice cream house bird going for mayor. Whatever you the fuck. You're trying to sell yourself. The only thing that ultimately matters internet world is the ability to communicate to others that thing that becomes the variable. How many people you close if you are tremendous communicator. Then more people will buy your thing. It's not complicated the way to be a great communicator in twenty twenty is to win on the ten platforms that dominate the phone. That is life. Nobody hears gonna fuck in hollywood and starting their own show on prime time. Or i'm fucking net flicks let's stop booking bullshitting everybody. Here can put out twenty three post tomorrow on these platforms. But you're not how many people here my content no shot anybody that just raises. Her hand is putting out sixty four pieces of content of day. You hear it you see it. You get hyped for forty eight seconds you get. You're going to be super fired up another forty minutes. I'm gonna jazz. You the fuck up for next forty minutes. But i'll be very honest with you. That hit means nothing because next thursday comes in and try to your first linked in post. But you don't know what to say right like my friends. The reason i try. And listen. I three or four years ago. I tried to stay very far away from mindset and motivation. I hate that shit. It's just that. I can't understand what i'm telling you exactly what i've put out three decks in full fucking detail of what you should do. Everybody in this buchan room should put out fifty to one hundred pieces of content of day do it. Why one isn't immediately gary. I don't have a deer awkward team out of the motherfucker. I've been doing this shit since. Fuck in two thousand six team either for the first eight years. How do you think. I got to having a team patients in doing it so please listen to me everything you wish everything. You dream everything you hope to accomplish out of today. Tactically is completely predicated on your ability to make pictures video and written words across facebook. Lincoln tick-tock youtube pod. That's the answer but the reason there's a smattering of claps is. Because you know you haven't been doing it even though i've been pounding it down your fucking throat for last three years which leads me to why. And that is how i found myself into territories. I never thought that i would be making content about your spouse your father your best friend. That bad thing that happened to you when you were eight all the shit that is inside of all of us that has created insecurity to actually put out content. That's it that's it and so that's what's happening and layered on top of that is the imagery of what success looks like. That's something i'm super passionate about. I'm passionate in the utter confusion. That things lead to happiness that car. Like do you know. Many people demi literally shit like jerry be. If i could just have a fucking mercedes my life would be awesome. People right now are plotting and saving to buy a piece clothing uae. I'll tell you why they wanna wear that piece of clothing rock. That handbag have those sneakers to show everybody else that they're successful. We are in a great era of makeup. Everybody's fronting trying to press everybody. Why because you're insecure. You actually care about other people's opinion because you were told you aren't good enough because some you've got a chip on your shoulder. I know about a chip every single teacher except for siniora kennedy big shadow to my spanish teacher in high school. If she didn't. Pass me on charisma. I'd still be in fucking north hundred in high school and ninety percent of my friends. Parents thought that i would be a straight loser in life because the only roi from one thousand nine hundred nineteen ninety-four was your grades and what college you were going to now. It's flipped that still exists but we also have an entire era of. Did you put entrepreneur in your instagram profile. There's a lot more to being an entrepreneur than putting it in your profile. I mean like literally ninety nine percent of people that put entrepreneur in their instagram profile. Would be no different than if i put rapper an athlete in my profile. We need a reset orlando. We need a big big fuck and reset the reason. I feel different than a lot of people that kind of look like me is the shit. Coming out of my mouth is different than what's coming out of. There's it's not super complicated. My ship is universal. It's always been this way building. A true foundation is how you build success. There's like it's scares me. It scares me how many people think there a hack. Let me just save everybody a lot of time. If you think there's a hack a secret a system or a quick path humans are smart. Everybody would then do it. Let me say it one. More time for the fuckers. In the back i see there is no shortcut. Dick non zero. Okay if you're willing to play with me and you can sit back for a day or a week and figuring out why or who's got your control who you're insecure to who you're trying to prove to if he can get over that hump which is by the way when i look at this crowd six people six people are going to take this talk and finally fuck it. The quickest way if you're one of those people is to call that person and tell them to go up themselves. So that's the quickest way. Obviously if that's your mom you don't wanna just call me like mom. Listen go fuck yourself. You may want to go with a different path of like mom. I'm tired and i just can't live this way anymore. And whether it's your fault or mine. I'm just done living decent your opinions and i'm going to do me and that's what's going to happen and i'll see you on the flip side and if you were right cool and if i'm right cool that's what's happening. I appreciate that a lot of people are making it. Because here's where years where it gets confusing. A lot of people aren't making the call because they don't actually believe in themselves that they're actually going to win the debate. You know it's really fun to go. Call your parents or your sibling. Your spouse and being like you know what fuck you. I'm going to start at baking company. And i'm going to kill it but if you actually think you're gonna fail you really lost. That's why you're not making the coal and a lot of people do that a lot of people love to front that i'm this. I'm that but that just talk and you use the other person as an excuse not to do. It's not them suppressing you. It's you're scared to jump and you're blaming them and acting as if they're suppressing you. My friends. life is very simple. it comes down to the actions. The enormous ability for people to talk about what they're gonna do versus them. Actually it is staggering. I watch people all the time. Tell me what they're gonna do and they're putting in four hours a week on it. They're putting their like literally watching entire seasons of shit on netflix. More than executing on their thing because there are escaping net flicks and to k and the new the baby album that's escape. You're consuming to escape. I come to orlando today to put the mirror in your face and ask you to become accountable. Every single thing that has not gone my way in my life is one hundred percent my fault. I love running bainer media because every time there's a problem i'm like okay. I this is my fault second. Maybe i should fire to personnel. Fucked it up but what i know is i hire that person or i hired the person that hire that person which makes it my fault. I watched people that manage people. I watched people in here that employ people love to spew blame on everybody but themselves. I promise you you wanna get real happy if that's what we're aiming leave this conference and realize anything you're complaining about or sad about is because it's true one hundred percent your fault one hundred. I don't care that your uncle stole four hundred bucks from you. You shouldn't give them your fucking uncle hundred bucks. I don't care that the government did this or systemic. That or your mom was alcohol. Listen here's my thing if one person on earth with a similar circumstance to you one there's an example and there's one of them for everything and you're more that listen that doesn't mean that i don't have compassion. That doesn't mean that it's not true. The problem is you need to pay attention to who listens to you crying. Let me give you a preview to who listens to you crying and complaining about shit the other losers in your life it's true it's one big circle of everybody complaining to everybody that the system and everybody else is wrong and it's three people sitting on a couch not willing to do shit. My friends accountability and lack of entitlement lead to happiness. For you to figure out what that is you is the biggest thing i'm here for because i know and again when i do the forty year old and over it to me the forty year olds in here and above. They're the ones that are in the best position because they do not logically because they have context that this internet thing is remarkable. Like uncomfortably remarkable. We couldn't do the things like when we all grew up. There was no other part of the world that you could do at night. Because this is about practicality you could be listening to me being like yeah okay. I'm ready but dammit. I have eighty seven thousand dollars in debt right cool so my big thing is like work. Your job the pays you this. Nobody talks about this shit. Everyone's gary okay. I'm fifty thousand dollars in debt. I got you on the side hustle thing on even committed to starting my podcast from my content about my t shirt business from seven pm to eleven at night. I'm willing to put in that work. But i can't get caught up and i'm like well tell me about your expenses my friends you wanna talk about something. That is completely become something nobody talks about. Nobody talks about saving money like it. Just not a conversation like. There's a very easy way to do this. If you make forty nine thousand a year live as if you're making twenty seven. Everybody lives over what they make. No wonder you can't save money. Your apartments too nice. Of course you can't save money. Your car is too fancy. of course. you can't save your buying clothes. you can't afford their motherfuckers. That complain to me and this is where. I'm listen if you're dealing emailing me. No i don't fucking fool around when you say man. I can't i can't the first thing i do is go to your account. Don't let me hear that you're broke as fuck and the first fucking story i click on your drinking. A seven dollar fucking coffee broke. You're not allowed to take uber. Take the bus dick dr. We need to start saving money to get shit spot or you in debt. You don't like it there's gonna be no fast track to a million dollars. That's going to fix that. It's going to be taking a step back and drinking a whole lot of humility. Not fucking french latin. I don't get it. People are always like gary your story about you building. Your dad's visit. That's not true. You fucking like that can't be true. You had money to invest in twitter and all that shit. I know you're storing like okay right. Because when i make fifty three thousand dollars a year i had a two thousand dollars a month apartment then i moved down to a fourteen hundred dollar one because i wanted to save more money and i bought nothing for a decade. I went out zero times. I bought no close a liquor t-shirts shirts to fuck and work. I fucking spend no money. Not super complicated. I how many people here are immigrants or the children of immigrants ratio hans reason. Hi how many people are the children of. Keep your hands up. And how many are the actual immigrant awesome. Immigrants had this shit figured out. Immigrants come here. They work and they fuck it saves money. I wanna fucking vacations my entire childhood. We want to focus. Actually we went to orlando. We stayed in the fucking holiday inn and my mommy one sandwich in the week. Immigrant ship immigrant ship. Everybody cries about immigrants. They don't spend money dumb shit motherfucker. Try it try it. Save money and then do your thing. It's about patients where everybody gets caught up. Now they're sitting. Somebody's sitting here. Sally sitting here. she's thirty nine. She's like okay. This makes fucking sense. And then she's like petach and she's it's gonna take too long. And i'm like sally you're thirty nine. Do you want to be miserable. Is ship for the next sixty years. Where do you want to have some grinding years. For next seven forty six and young shit and start the process of actually being happy people's complete inability to take one step backwards. Two steps forward is destroying people. Do you know what i mean. How many people here on their home do you know how many of those people should sell it. I'm being serious. do you know. Many people have no liquid cash. Their home is there drain and what they should do is sell the home and either buy a smaller one or rent to themselves liquid to be able to go on the offense but their home which by the way has too many rooms. No few people have a home that actually fits their actual reality. People have homes before extra rooms or live in a town that makes it look better for them. Man there's so many fucking fucked up moves out here my friends. I haven't even started. And i'm just like jeez so many things and by the way it all goes back to what i started with everything. Good that happened to me is because of my inability to hear you cheering or here. You bully you. Just don't know me. And i don't know you and i don't fully know my mom and she doesn't fully no. I'm being serious. We all know this. Only you know you. So why are you letting somebody else's judgement dictate your behavior all right. I think i've made my point on the clouds. Let's get into dirt. There's two places and you know where i'm going right now. That have so much. Free organic reach that. If you post on a good shit will happen. Tick-tock lincoln right. I've been saying it you all waiting for it. You made the jokes right now. You can name it. You can say i was going to say it. You just tap your friend. Said i told you was going to say it and you still don't fucking do it. This is some unbelievable shit. You literally. you're talking to somebody now. Who for fifteen fucking years has been right consistently of where the underpriced attention is. I've told you for a fucking half decade. The reason i'm always right. Is i guess i just wait to it happens. And then i just say at the fastest the loudest. It's a one hundred percent drew. there is no. I'm not fucking fortuneteller. i'm not. I don't know the future. I know the president. And i have no fear. Gary you can't cock it's for teenage girls. I'm like this isn't communism. i'm doing it. They told me. I couldn't do facebook because it was college kids. It's for fucking grandparents now. I'm going to say forty seven times when you sell a home or for fifty year olds tick-tock linked in. Here's why i'm going to get very basic. Here's how the internet works new platforms. Come along lots of users rushed to because it's caught fire for whatever reason. The amount of content being put into the stream isn't enough compared to how many people are consuming thus the machine shows more stuff to more people. It's called organic reach. How many people are benefited from facebook. Two thousand ten eleven regimes raise some high. Just wanna know you. People should know the most. You know exactly what happened. Facebook it was rocking in two thousand nine ten eleven twelve. You build a fan page. One hundred fifty thousand people on it. You press the button atop people saw it. They shared it. You put brand the and then all of a sudden you woke up one day and you're like fuck sucks. He fucked me. Why am i hitting it. And it's good because the organic reach went down because enough people were content producing to match the attention. Everyone's they want the money they want it. Every one of these apps only wants you to stay on the app. That's their entire business. They're not changing the more ads or not doing doing one thing. Keep you on keep you on. Is their business. You don't like it and you leave. They're out of business. If everybody unsubscribe leads the apple twitter tomorrow twitter's out of business only the attention of people which means they're aligned with you. Not the other way around. I love when people like other feeding me ship. That's so spooky. I just looked at this picture. Now it's in my feed. You look that picture for the same reason its in your feed. It's your behavior. It should behavior. So i don't know what to tell you. I think every single person here should post three posted. They on tick tock and three post today on lincoln and you can decide if you if if talks too young for your business. That's fine but i remind you this. What you learn on posting on tick-tock may help you and your business in three years because all of a sudden now miraculously instagram has started a top competitor as a feature in brazil and if it works all of a sudden it's going to be part of instagram. And that's where you're super focused right now and just like you didn't give a shit about snapchat and you walk around proud that you never jumped on that. What you don't realize is the people that did jump on. It were better at doing instagram's stories which made their instagram better. You can learn the skill somewhere else and bring it to a different home. Everyone's just so emotional about the home. I'm on tick-tock. Not because i think it's cool montauk not because i need a new platform to talk about. I'm gonna talk because one point. Five billion people downloaded the app and are paying attention. And that's why i'm on it and you're not onic. Oh that's a dumb shit my niece place with. I'm on it with data. You're not on it because of opinion. I think everybody should consider a podcast. If you're capable of talking. I think you should consider a podcast audio. Consumption will continue to grow. It will continue to grow and grow and grow watch this. I wanted to really look around. How many people. Five years ago and be honest. You're doing just raise your hand like it's important. How many people. Five years ago were consistently listening to a podcast. Resilient raise it. Hi everybody look around. Look around look around. We're looking good good. Good hands down. How many people are now consistently listening to a podcast. Raise your hand that. Keep it up if you don't mind look around. That's the business i'm in. I'm in the business of where is the attention. The reason podcasting will actually watch this. How many people. Now watch youtube videos including mine but aren't actually watching the video. You're listening to the audio. Raise your hands. Look at look people spending. This is why. I get so mad at people that are what about the lighting and the production one more time. How many people were just listening to it. Raise your hand. These are the same hands that are up. That are telling me. They can't do tube because they can't make it look great. The customer is not even looking my friends. Unemotional decision making is what has allowed me the great luxury of standing at this table this table. Fuck you guys. Were being super kind. I love you orlando. Listen to make unemotional everything. I want it to be means nothing to me how i want the world to be has nothing to do with what the world's doing so many people here are not doing things on these apps because they don't like the kids are at dinner tables on their phone. They don't like these kids can't look you in the face when you shake their hand. The fuck does that have to do with anything. People making decisions about their business predicated on emotional decisions of how they singularly want the world. You have that level of audacity you have the level of audacity to your opinion on how the world should be is how the world should be. Are you fucking kidding me. I am fascinated by this gary. I don't like this social media stuff. It's ruining us like really explain. Well the russians. That's my favorite. I'm like let me ask you a question barry. Do you think when you went into the poll booth like miraculously the russians. Grab your hand and made you pull the fucking lever. We are fucking good at blaming other shit. Parents love to blame social media and ipads on all the shit. That's wrong with kids yet anytime. A kid is looking for attention and they're busy. They're throwing the ipad at them like it's a fucking stake to a tiger talked appearance gary. The internet's all fucked up. Hey mom take this. Download the app. We live in the greatest era of non-accountability especially in this country because this country has had the great fortune of multiple decades of prosperity in continuum that has completely left us not having context on real life. This is a room full of people who get mad if they don't get enough likes on instagram post. While they're great grandparents went through the great depression world. Wars vietnam real shit and we're crying about the dumbest shit. Ever the world has never been better. The mainstream media tells us it's the worst. I understand how this works. I come from the soviet union. I know how this all works. I ask you to understand that you for your business. Have the ability to communicate. Do you understand that. What i'm telling you with talk and instagram and lincoln and youtube and podcasting and twitter used to cost thirty years ago millions of dollars in infrastructure to be in the game that you would have to buy a printing press and delivered newspapers. That you'd have to shoot a buck and satellite into the air. And start a tb network. This would cost tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars and yet we're not taking advantage of it you little three year old. You fucking get it and they don't she bucking gets it. She's frustrated overnight. These dumb puckers. Don't get it my friends do me a favor. Let's make this real simple. Please us tonight to honestly figure out why you're not posting because it's an excuse. I hope you know because on twitter you can push forty times a day right words and if you don't have a designer you hit the little gifts button and they give you a default gift and now you have designed for free like it's not because you don't have the infrastructure or the money and don't even start with me with the gary. I don't have time. that's my favorite. Dm gary i don't have time switch over to the account later story eating seventeen chick fillets huge shout out to the politician watched all eight episodes last night. Nobody can beat me to k. Your time if i promise you. If you're not fully happy all you have is time. Because if you're not fully happy you need to reallocate your time. That's the truth. Like and by the way when i say certain things like this i put myself into the audience cinemalike. He doesn't get it. I understand that like understand being on the receiving end of that comment because it's perspective. I think one thing that you can use a good one one thing you can learn about. The current political climate is that life is about perspective. People see things differently. We live in a country where there's to really hardcore points of view yet. There is only one reality. It's just the angle you see it in. I don't. I don't judge you here today. I'm here for one reason with the hope that you may be willing to try a different perspective. If you're not in a great place when you hear listen. I don't want to come across audacious when i'm telling you you have time and you're like fuck you dude. I have three kids. I'm a single parent. I've got to get that. I'm just saying if you're unhappy. We have the hack. I need to audit every minute. I'm interested because otherwise. Let's not play if you're not desperate to find the solution if you're unhappy then don't play and this changed man. I just kick it over it honestly. I wish you know what. I really wish tomorrow. Some weird like astroid came down. Hit earth and everybody. Who's dead is reborn. I would just love for you to see the way people that are one hundred fifty years old would look at the world today. There'd be like you have all this. I used to shits outside internet up just pumped running water and your fucking house. We have lost perspective and we have absolutely let judgment of others dictate our happiness. I'm trying to figure out how to suffocate this. How to get you to go home and really reset start over. There's no process or system or course this is a mental fucking warfare. Why are you not posting on the internet. it's free. I've had the luxury of hearing every excuse at this point i know. I understand them their excuses. It's just like getting into better shape. It blows the health industry is the most interesting ever. There's some are going on right now around health and wellness. Meanwhile the entire keynote should be the following eat. Better ship workout daily. Good night this hour. That i'm dragged out here. It is in one sentence post stuff on the internet it is that bucking craziness. It's that simple yet. It's clearly not because when my hardcore fans who cheer in re tweet and fucking put go emojis my comments if you're putting goat emojis in my comments and you're not posting ten times a day i'm gonna fucking kill you. Don't want fucking compliments. I want you to fucking hear me. I don't want your follow. i don't fuck man. I don't want you to buy wine whereby sneakers either on some random shit. Just go make yourself happy with the matter with you giving you the blueprint for free. How many people saw that deck put out the other day on my birthday. That's shit cost me a lot of money to make you downloaded it and you were hype and you still haven't fucking posted anything. What are we waiting for. Are you really waiting for the economy to collapse and going back to bad times and then you sitting in a room when you get fucking fired from your bullshit job and say i wish i fucking listened like are we really waiting for. That is that we're rat. Are we all just a bunch of fucking lung cancer. People who smoke fucking eight hundred cigarettes a day. We told you as fucked up. And then you're laying eighty dying from lung cancer. Like maybe i should have done it. The answer is yes. That is what we are doing. So now i ask you that. The serendipity of the world brought us together here this evening. Can we at least fuck an act on it. Can you please start making videos on youtube. Fuck production value fuck. You don't have makeup on it. Don't make up on if somebody sends your friends. Can i fuck man. can i tell you something. Do you understand that if you make a video and somebody leaves a comment shut up you fucking ugly. Put some makeup on. Do you understand that. You should feel bad that you should look at that. Comment take a step back and say my god. I feel so sad for this person. This person took time out of their life to watch my fucking video and spit venom into the comic. Their life is so fucked. We shouldn't be mad at haters and trolls. We should deploy compassion. If you're the kind of human being that watches other people's shit to drag my friends cliche. Misery loves company. I swear children's health. Every negative comment i get. The entire chemical frame of my body goes into compassion sympathy and empathy just post content. If you're weird if it's scary to you to go on video then right right if you wanna start a podcast. And what are you gonna go like. I do this then. I got a million emails. Gary okay you convince me orlando was lit. I'm fired up. i'm doing it now. Real quick what do i need to do to set up for a podcast. I found this thing. I just bought this fucking course for nine hundred ninety seven dollars to buy fucking how to set up a podcast. Like do i need good lighting. Do i need a microphone. Do any this no motherfucker. Your phone has something called. Memo's fucking press the button. Fuck and talk dick. This this fucking computer is more powerful than the computer that ronald reagan had to run the free world every. Excuse you've got of not having equipment. It's in your fucking pocket this this you have it. Everybody has it. It's crazy that we have it enough. Please please make today the day that you're going to finally make written audio video. They'll ebb and flow. They get hot at different times. Two thousand three blogs exploded. If you remember that was for writers then. Youtube comes along five. Here comes the video movement. We've all been in the video movement over the last three years. Were in the audio movement. Were in the audio movement and by the way everybody in this room everybody here is going to make a ton of buying decisions with just voice. This alexa google thing. It's real. you might be listening to music right now or some joke because it hasn't been advanced yet but that just like the iphone. Let me remind everybody. The biggest app on the iphone in the first year was the app that looked like it was a beer. And you drank it the lighter if you think a lot has happened in technology fifteen years we see the next fifteen if you are not making content. You are becoming relevant. I don't care if you're the alpha in your neighborhood and you've been doing it for twenty three years and everybody knows who you are looking to forget real quick over the next decade. How many people here are retiring within the next ten years. And i don't mean before you your hands that you're gonna fucking crush it with some system and buy a fucking island. I mean you're fucking old and finished look too good. I don't see it so okay. Cool but for everybody else in this room. If you're not eating my call this evening. You can't imagine the level of the relevance you'll have in a decade if you don't get on the treadmill now this marathon is real. There's a lot of people that aren't even practicing completely disrespecting the most obvious thing on earth free platforms free. So i get crazy when organic reach goes down there like all their fucking us really. It was free. People are mad at instagram. For a free platform that can build at scale but rushing to pay four thousand dollars for some dumb shit. That's free on the internet. It is time to change our collective perspectives. The second. you can get your mind into a place where you're not doing for anybody but yourself. This is why. I always bring up rocky four. Who saw that ship drago if you remember that scene where he loses any get super pissed and he basically says fuck you russia. I was in the ring for myself. I wasn't fighting for this country. I was in it for myself. That's why i'm trying to get all of you. You're living life for yourself the way for you to be selfless and love. Everybody else is to start with being selfish for yourself. Make yourself happy. You're not making anybody happy. Abby and you're doing stuff to make somebody happy you're not you're actually creating resentment on both sides of the equation so by friends. Please take advantage of the fact that we all got lucky. Every one of us could have been born at a different era. This could be a keno about watch out for the black plague seriously. Funny thing to say people got wiped the fuck out mean. We've lost complete context of time and asterix. Most people in this room gonna live for fifty more years. If you're under thirty it scares me to think about how long you're gonna live. Of course there's the encaged all horrible accident. Of course there's disease but please pay attention to what's happening the advancements of modern medicine this is why gets so going right like this always makes so much content twenty eight year olds. Twenty thirty scares the shit out of people on a random number on something they made sense maybe fifty sixty years ago when people live the sixty and fifty five. Please please just please figure this out. If you are producing twenty five to fifty pieces of content of what you believe what value you bring remember to content for the audience. Not just for yourself if you make fifty piece of content. It says buy this buy that. Nothing is going to happen if you figure that out so much good can happen. We're just caught caught in judgment and insecurity. China press people don't even like makes no sense and he's a stop. We need to make happiness the northstar of our society. I'm done with people saying shit. Like i'd rather cry in my ferrari. Stupidest fucking statement of all time so stupid people say shit like that when they don't realize what crying is. Depression is horrible. Unhappiness is horrible. Fucking cry in their ferrari. I'd rather be happiest for taking the bus. Funny thing happens when that becomes your system. You start looking for things that make you happy. Funny thing happens when you start doing things that make you happy. You start working more harder. You become invigorated. You like it all of a sudden funny things happen when you like it and you put in the work results start happening you understand about your workout regimen when you try to go on the treadmill. That wasn't for you. But you found some fucking. I dunno some class or some weightlifting or something else. You've found the thing that worked for you. You need to find the professional thing that works for you. We need to really have this conversation please. If you love college football if you love cutting hair if you love fashion figuring out what you love and try to start a side hustle a podcast a youtube. Show an instagram account around that thing that thing. That's your hobby. The thing that you want to do laying in your bed from apm to twelve at night and then be grateful that you can lay in your bed from eight pm to twelve at night and actually make something of yourself or make yourself happier or start up thing because that didn't exist twenty five years ago. This is the greatest era of opportunity. Please don't get older and regret not taking advantage of it. Please use this keynote to finally get you to make thank you as we in. Today's podcast. I want to give a huge shout out to the people you know. It's so funny. People that leave reviews and written reviews of this podcast on apple spotify and all the other platforms just mean the world to me. 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657. Reaction to Trey Lance's Pro Day + Trent Dilfer on Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields, Tua & QBs

NFL: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks

45:14 min | 6 months ago

657. Reaction to Trey Lance's Pro Day + Trent Dilfer on Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields, Tua & QBs

"And now move the sticks with daniel jeremiah and bucky brooks. What's up everybody. Walking to move the sticks presented by castro dj bucky back with you on the launch of free agency today. Buck how you doing man. i'm good. This is crazy seeing the deals. Already come down. Seeing how people are teams are beginning to position themselves for next season. In spite of evan a really really tight limit on the salary cap yeah in talking to agent. Last night he brought up a great point. I think peter king actually wrote a lot about it in his column just not only. Do you have the salary caps shrinking But you have the expectation that it was going to expand so the gap is really wider in terms of the teams with their budgeting. And you figure the the minimum salaries have risen so it's kind of. Everything's just been squeezed down which is going to be fascinating. I still think the big dogs are going to get paid. And we'll see that by the time you're listening to this A bunch of these guys will probably already agreed to deals the top. What do you think ten fifteen guys. Those guys won't see any difference. They're going to get top dollar but it's that middle class is going to get big time squeezed any opportunity. You have to squeeze those guys out You will you can hold it down. I think the teams we have significant cap space. I think if the patient they can scoop up a lot of really good players later in the process we know the free frenzy is typically the first seventy two hours to first week if they can wait like teams that have significant cast space. Like the jags. The jets The pages if they can wait says that the goes if they can way pass that first week. I think you'll see them scoop up a lot of players at team friendly deals because it gives them a chance because everyone is going to panic. If you don't get paid in the first way now as musical chairs and you're just trying to find a home no doubt We'll have a bunch of free agency reaction coming up on on the next episode on today's episode. Do want to bring up a great interview. You guys look forward to bucket a chance to catch up with our buddy. Trent dilfer about all things quarterback. I'm he's known you've worked in forever bug on what these high school quarterback so great insight on this group coming up as well as A chance to discuss some guys currently in the league. So that's a conversation that's coming up a little bit later on in the show. We do want to get a little reaction to what we saw from trae lance At his pro day but before we kind of switch gears to get to the college guys. I wanted to bring up a couple of things on the nfl front first of all the kind of wrap up the free agency preview here Kevin zeitler already signed with the ravens so he had been released. He was free to sign so the ravens us probably most of their cap space to bring him in. But it just brings up a good point to me that he is a like a gap scheme. Power guy type. Polar mahler fits what the ravens do. And i think man fit is so important when you're getting ready to spend money on the free agent market you know. Dj some would say is the number one thing evaluation particularly free agency is understanding how your team plays scheme that you run in which players are ideal fits the mistakes that we typically see in free agency have to do with whether fits properly into this game or if he has a significant in their his injury. History and you ignore that inside him and then he becomes an injured player for you. I think kevin zeitler going to the baltimore. Ravens is to me the baltimore. Ravens doubling down on who they are and how they're going to play their biggest issues. Last year i believe in big games comes from their inability to control and dominate the line scrimmage when they're unable to dominate the game and get the game on their terms. Then it exposes all of the things that we on the outside talk about their passing game. They're not really past protectors upfront. They don't necessarily have enough pass catchers and those things so this to me the ravens doubling down and saying. We're going to run the ball and we're going to run it on everybody and now we have the firepower up front to be able to do. So you think getting ronnie stanley back. We'll be big orlando brown is on the trademark it. So you know they won't have to talk about the orlando brown thing. Yes galindo brown fascination with wanting to be aware of the rights versus a rights. And i understand like he talked about it being his dream s i always sees himself and he went to the pro bowl and does things but orlando brown has to have enough awareness to look at team tape when ronnie stanley is really. You know the guy on the other side is a little better than me at this position. Like i should be comfortable. Just playing right tackle. Because he's not a passed protecting left tackle in that light and so to me. I just think it's a lack a lack of self awareness. And i believe the money now is so similar between right and left tackle that i don't think it makes that big of a difference. What your categorizes. I i can go around the league and make the point and we've done it for several years now that those left end pass rushers have been better than the right in right side. Pass rusher so you're actually having a more difficult assignment over there on the right side. I get it from the standpoint. He's played left tackle. Hold likes so he feels more comfortable there. you know. it's like being left handed versus right handed. So he just more comfortable there. Waste played well right tackle. He's been a really good right tackle in. You're going to have to play against the best of the best over there with the pass. Rusher so you're gonna be challenged every week. Your value shouldn't really be any less if you play that position. Well so i'm with you but to me. I guess it just comes down to to comfort. I guess it is is is one. The more remarkable things Self-awareness should play a good team. Obviously you do to get big money. I understand that part of it. But i just can't understand anything i do. Wonder what teams are really in the in the bidding war for his services who how is he really view. Because i don't view them as a premier when he left ac yeah and they play a different brand of football than the other. Thirty one teams. So it's a little apples to oranges in terms of what he's asked to do he does it very well. But you don't see as much traditional. Pass that stuff in baltimore that you would other places so that's going to be fascinating to see what happens there With the ravens. I i wanna hit you on one of the thing before we jump into the tray lance pro. I tweeted this out which a lot of people have said is the weirdest analogy of all time That i came up with. And maybe it's just because we're up late at night buck and then these things kinda hit you. But i was thinking about the shawn watson and you know we get into the fact that whether you believe this could or you know couldn't happen with him getting traded. Get your thoughts on that. But when i look at the different hypotheticals and you've seen the panthers mentioned you see all these other teams that could get involved in that. The bears whoever. I only see two teams that are like a match. You know in terms of what they can offer in. That is the jets and the dolphins. And that's because of the number two or number three overall pick. The value of those picks is so much greater than the other even. If you're just picking number eight the difference between eight to look at the trade shirt. Look what it costs. Go from eight to two so when we've talked about what would it take to get the shawn watson. You hear people say four or five once. Well that i that second or third overall pick is worth multiple ones so when you count that because you can easily turn that into something else so my analogy book that i use was. Why would you go buy a puppy when you could buy a pregnant dog. So it's a weird analogy. But do you see what i'm saying like i can take. I only got one puppy. I can take this pregnant dog and try. And it's people have accused me of offering the weirdest draft all-time san you need more sleep. Because if you're thinking about puppies in litters and all of those things you yeah you need you need more sleep. But i understand in terms of you want wanna basically slice off where you can bring about more players more more more people that can impact the franchise and so if you have john watson who is a crown jewel for sure. If you're the houston. Texans but trade him off and you talk about getting. A litter of puppies is great. The only thing that i'll say about all of this is one thing to bring about picks. It's another thing to turn those picks into players and we've seen traditionally in the past when we go back and look at all the pics that the cleveland browns scott for the carson. Wentz deal or like you weren't able to parlay those and two great players. And so i don't know i saw you go back to the. Rg three rams situation. Still had a tough time parlaying the extra picks into players. I think as much harder to deal. I think it looks great on the outside. A man we got a bushel. Borough picks and we're we turn all these fixing the players. I think is something that's hard to do. I believe the only team. I've seen do a really good job of having multiple first round. Picks in one round might have been the gist that year. They had four first. Rounders anytime accounting. Sean ellis ethnic bag. Johnny turned goes into into players and they were foundational pieces. Really really hard to do when you go back and look at it going for you know the other one. I'm thinking of teams with multiple ones. I want to say that the saints got lattimore ramczyk in the same and that one was pretty low. Double right there. Here's really is really hard though. This ordeal with the second or third pick. You can get the quarterback to replace gone or again you can turn into a bunch of picks but i just think it's i think sometimes we lump all these picks in a box and say okay. This team's offered me three first. Round picks what this team's offered me four first round picks but that all first round picks her the same now. No let's go all the way back speaking of the car deal. I think howie roseman gave us a blueprint for how to maneuver around and how to take picks auctioning off. Get another pick auction it off to put yourself in a position to get it eventually what you want. It is about manipulating the board and understanding the currency that comes about when you have enough draft capital. That's why you're proposing getting a pregnant puffy with their other stuff that comes with. Yeah i I get a lot of a lot of blowback on my pregnant pregnant. And i thought it was a good analogy bucket. Thought it made sense. Very careful with the dog. Active is coming after you talking about puppies in litters. Why didn't even think about that. Bob or not behind as he would not be happy to showcase show. I did not even think about bob barker. I've got to use parker's north star when it comes to draft analogies. Yeah more market in the chat here. It's not necessarily the truck versus trailer analogy. That served us well over all these years. That came up short on our. But whatever. I'll stick ulster clear animal analogies trae lance day. What do you think i. I think he's everything that we believe him to be. You know in a way if we could advise trae lance if he hadn't played the one game this year. In what would we be saying about trae lance how differently would review him in the evaluation that gave maybe the nitpickers the naysayers the doubters a reason to go after him in his game. Because if you look at twenty one thousand nine hundred. He was flawless but egypt. We had a conversation over the summer about him. Maybe being in a conversation to be number one. it was the big three trae last. Justin feels and trevor lawrence. Who was going to duke it out to be the number one. We loved him for what he was able to do. On that big stage at north dakota state and now i think is even better when you look at north dakota state without him this year while on right where the close yeah. It's it's a huge difference. And so maybe this central arkansas game was a preview on what he didn't have a round him and how he had to play. But i think the guy's really talented i think the athleticism to arm down you see it. I think having the physical picture the visual man. He's a rocked up dude. He looks like what they should look like. When we talk about quarterbacks in today's game big physical you saw the arm town will condition the the the the fitness level was not a problem in terms of the pace and rhythm that they were operating at and you saw him delivered a ball he later to whatever he is going to have some misfires. That is a part of who he is. He's going to short hop some miss to the right on the deep ball. Those report of the deal but he is more than going to make up for it with the athleticism and the runny skills. Daddy brings to the table and i think you just have to understand it. He's like a home run hitter. Go have a high volume strikeouts. But when he puts his bad on it he's gonna knock it out. The port trae land is going to be a special player in the league. I was thinking of the pitcher analogy because to me. It's just like he has so much horsepower. Like so much juice. So he's like the guy that's throwing triple digits who's going to strike out twelve guys but he might walk three or four be outside the strike zone on occasion but the thing about him that i think is so you know which which helps me to kind of push my chips in a little bit and say i really i believe in this kid is the fact that while he's developing as a passer and trying to continue to improve their. I've got somebody that control my run game at the line of scrimmage which he's done you know what the responsibility he has in terms of mike's directed fronts and check and placing do all that stuff but then i can use him on. The design quarterback run so he's going to be early in his career the first couple of years. He's going to be an eight to ten eleven twelve carry guy. You know like you're going to be able to incorporate him to be able to make up for some of those misses you're going to be able to use his legs so in other words instead of sitting back in the cockpit on third and four and trying to be precise in squeeze abo- in on on option route. You take off and go. I mean i can call zone. Read with him. If i want. You know it's funny going back. Because i had to write a thing on carson wentz a couple of weeks ago and why it will work out in indianapolis and when i went back and i studied carson wentz and north dakota state. I noticed that his pitch in north dakota state vary between twenty two to twenty nine throws again. And so we've heard some people in the outside talk about trae landslide as he doesn't have a high volume of throws and those things and i think is really important that you understand. That's not his game. If you take trae lance and you put him in an office thing that he's going to throw it forty times. You're asking him to do something that he's never really done something. That is probably uncomfortable. Doing because it's out of his is out of his box. What trae lance is what you said. He is eight to ten kerry per game to go with twenty to twenty five throws and managing the offense. If you run the offense like that where it's really a team deal. Which is why we talk about shanahan system or some of these other systems. That are more run centric. Other weapons are involved. That is how he plays. But if you think you will take trae lamps to put them into air raid you miss not utilizing what he does really will you not put him in a position to really play to his towns. Yeah i can come up with four fits that i really like with him and to me it starts with atlanta all the way up there at number four in because first of all you don't have to plan right away. Let him sit behind matt ryan. I think that makes a lot of sense there. arthur smith. We've discussed then or coming from tennessee. He he wants to be a little bit more. Committed to the run game. Trailers helps you -ccomplish that So he makes sense there. I think you look at carolina who we've talked about a lot now. Is he going to play the game. The way that joe brady's been around drew brees has been around joe burrow. He's not gonna play that style. But i think joe brady's creative enough that he would know how to use him and i think he fits kind of under the overall philosophy of matt rule just how he wants to be physical. Tough athletic effects. All those things. And then i would say You've got The other two would be san francisco at twelve and new england at fifteen. I think all four of those teams make a lot of sense yet. Interesting that you bring up a offer. Teams make a lot of sense atlanta because arthur smith. I believe you can use trae just like you. Use ryan tannehill. I think it makes sense. The carolina panthers thing and i think is important to bring this up about joe brady joe brady worked at the knee of joe. Moorhead when joe moore was at penn state joe moorhead as own master. That's what they did. That's what he did. At penn state when they had their ron wh trace mcsorley and saquon and those he did it at mississippi state and then he's doing it at oregon now. I think that would be. I think he has that in his playbook that he could go to the rpo game to help train lance get off san francisco new england san francisco makes sense because the shanahan system is a natural fit. You give kyle shanahan the opportunity. Not only do what he's always done. But also dig back in the crease and pull out some of the rg three stuff. They did with the washington football team. And then new england new england to me really would make tremendous because now you have cam newton and trae last and is the opportunity to completely rebuild. The offense in the way they go about doing it is we have a mobile quarterback. This is our new patriots. Offense with a mobile quarterback is taking the offense into the new era of quarterback. And so i like all those fists and i would expect trae to get a lot of interest from those teams. Yeah no it's it's gonna be fun to watch. How the quarterback carousel kicks off here. And we'll see. I think the shawn watson. It's kinda the domino. You've got russell wilson out there. If both those guys ended up going back we're going to have a fun offseason. But you know i think we'll kind of be able to predict what's gonna take place man if one or both those guys end up getting traded book. You're ready for chaos man as soon bananas i am. I'm so ready to see how this goes about. And it's funny because we've talked about it. I believe as a general manager position has Skewed younger where more of a new guys. We grew with have kind of jumped into seats more like baseball now. It's more like baseball. It's more fantasy football and baseball. Will you make deals. You make moves to make sure that you go and get get it done and so it is important that we continue to look at the stuff and see howard teams putting the pieces of the puzzle together because man is a fascinating watch. Well can i get. We're not gonna say who it is because it's who knows what will happen and i was sworn to secrecy on this but i did send you text of trade that there's a rumor going around. That could go down. Can i just get your your reaction of if this thing does happen just just a couple of words what your reaction would be to this thing while surprise positional value car. There you go. We'll see what happens. We'll see if that happens. We'll lay that out on the next episode of doesn't happen. We'll see it's gonna be fun though. I hope we get some trades annexed off offseason. Fun speaking of fun. Buck had a chance to catch up with our buddy. Trent dilfer to talk all things quarterback. Trent is running the show. There at the lead eleven bucks been worked with him for a long time on that. Seeing the best high school quarterbacks year after year turn also spent some time Training tua tagovailoa last year to get him ready for the draft so he offers great insight and we love him. We get a chance to catch up with him. So here's buck conversation with super bowl. Winning quarterback trent dilfer joining the move. The six pack as one of my best buddies head coach of lipscomb academy also the head coach of the elite eleven quarterback camp like trade. You have so many job titles. I can't get them all into the intro. How you doing doing great buck yourself. I'm doing well i mean. Obviously this is a fun time for us. Because we get a chance to see these young quarterbacks grow up in front of our eyes and so what. I would like to go to twenty seventeen to the top guys that came through the process. Trevor lawrence justin feels. Let's start with trevor lawrence. When i laid eyes on trevor lawrence. What did you think he was a sophomore freshman high school. I can't remember. i said i'll kid. That already was mature beyond his years obviously was a great athlete but was also pretty clean. You don't have been coached very well in georgia by joey king had developed well had Put played a lot of seven on seven. It already had played a lot of football at the varsity level so he looked like a man even when he was fifteen sixteen years old and is he went through the process. He'll only grew bigger and stronger. More powerful when honed his craft. And but the thing i the story always about trevor is in the physical stuff. It's the mental stuff. Is the competitive stuff. I remember at the opening the air. He was there He he was a sponge with craig. Nall one of our coaches who played seven years in the nfl and was bugging them late at night going into his room after hours and asked him to teach more ball. This is a kid that loves football loves to learn. He has zero entitlement to him. He has no. Ego is a team above self guy so he checks every. Single boxer is to check as a prospect and he was checking back when he was seventeen years old. I mean i remember seeing watching them at the opening scene. This guy could go to. Nfl training camp right now and throw one on. Want throw routes on air and look like an nfl quarterback. You know it's funny. You talk about that. I just think the remember that tough for him a little bit at at the opening in the finals. What did you discover and watching him. Go through some averse as a young person. Well that's the biggest thing. I look forward to be quite honest with you. Lot based evaluations off. How they respond to setbacks We look at it in game with an acronym pace plays after critical. Blair's study that really hard and in that environment a camp environment or high school football game environment a practice environments off the field. A guy can be a knucklehead off the field house respond to that after the fact. So i think it's i think that metric or that evaluation has a lot to do with their long term success. Because you're gonna have a lot of setbacks. You're going to have a lot of adversity and it's not what happened to you. It's how you respond to it. An introvert guy that whether it was the old benin whether it was not winning the final game of his high school career whether it was a setback clemson. He's always been a guy that bounces back. Better the next opportunity. And that's really what you're looking for. Tom brady's throwing a lot of interceptions. He's lost a lot of games is a lot of stinkers. He's a lot of bad series. I think what separates ms that relentless pursuit of a next opportunity. And that's why he's been at his best for twenty one years in those situations you know. It's funny because you talk about Trevor trevor wiz national title very early in his career and then he gets clemson back but he he loses in the semifinals and then loses in the finals during those two years in watching him as a college player. What are the things that you're most impressed with. And what do you think that he has to continue to work on it to be the pray that we all think they can be the next level all star with what he needs to improve on in spend something he's been working on since high school but just recently in the last couple of months he's really identified it with jordan palmer. I spoke to jordan a couple of weeks ago. I'm the things that trevor came in wanting to work on of the same things that myself and jordan and others kind of identified. He's got to become more flexible in his upper torso. Very poor. Th rasic flexibility. Therefore he doesn't rotates as a thrower he goes pistol and forward as a thrower so he tends to be wide and spread out at times That leads to some of the inconsistencies. I think he addressed that already. He wants to play with more. Stable base. Wants to stay more level so fundamental stuff fundamental stuff. That lead to more consistency. And that's the only knock you can find on trevor. Is that every once in a while. A ball will get away from him when he's really trying to riveter when he's rushed because there's some slight tweaks who needs to make fundamentally But that's really yet he has good is for. The game is good a presence in the pocket a feel for people around him win to become a window. Attack the line of scrimmage as a runner and wind up by time shuffles slides and the pocket how to treat. There's a great clip. I think is against notre dame in the in the playoff game where they're running kind of a dive in fake crossing route and then a high corner off of it and he's getting pressured and ninety. Nine point. nine percent of quarterbacks would have not bought the time to make the throw and he goes backwards in the pocket because the defensive lineman are coming up on him and takes probably sixty percents off the ball and lays it out to a spot and they get thirty yards out of it. A little nuances like that game. He's playing the professional level game at the college level. He's he's a horsepower. Twitch guy and i kind of introduce this concept a couple of years ago with justin herber as software and saying you know. There's a guy coming up. It has a rare combination of horsepower. And twitch sibley what she gives you guys have horsepower. They're very powerful strong. That physical confidence. Think ben rothlisberger cam newton some of the giants of the game but lacks twitch. They lack that do the next thing you know they're gone or their icy and it comes out of their hand. Then you see a little or guys at times. Johnny manziel some of the smaller guys that they're so twitchy but they lack power will very rarely do find. The guys that have both injustice is maybe as good of a worse. Per- twits guys. i've ever seen. Andrew lock was really the first one lack the little twitch but had it. I thought herbert was another one that had it. And now you're looking to lawrence who's really the ultimate model horsepower twitch so from a trade standpoint that's what it is and the and then he has every throw in the cadillac always talk about. How big is your cadillac Some guys are great outbreaking route. Some guys are good at target route. Some guys throw a lot of crossing routes some guys throw some runner-up runaway routes deep ball quick game. Rpo catching throw whatever it is. He's got them. All the one thing about this offense is. It's i wouldn't call it a system at times. It's lacking over his career. They have added to the catalog and he's pretty much made every throw. You're going to be asked to make in his college career. Because i believe these guys have always been synonymous. You have trevor lars in one corner. Justin feels in the other corner. What were your first thoughts when you saw. Justin feels for the first time rare rare physical specimen his. His size is power output. His speed a. he's a true burner and then a craftsmanlike you don't most of those guys are the butcher big machete and they chop up meeting. They make making a sandwich like they're not real precise very rarely do you find. These specimens are also surgeons. Are they know how to handle the tiniest tool that can save your life. And he really approaches his craft with a burning desire to get batteries been worked with quince forever in atlanta. He's he's always working on becoming more efficient as a passer. She'll really showed up. In the playoff game against clemson. You saw the nuance to his game. He's a guy that is can physically do everything but doesn't rely on that all the time. So he's a passer as long as he can be a passer and then he'll be coming athlete. I think in the nfl with quarterback design runs. You don't use them a lot but when you use them you tennessee. Walk in touchdowns by russell wilson or aaron rodgers. Whoever it is. I thinking it'd be a weapon that way. I don't think that's being talked enough about with him as that to separate them for some of the other guys That's a huge advantage in the tight. Red short yards and a game situation. I mean how many one score games you see in the nfl or you're in a four-minute situation in its third and four and if you get the first down you win the game if you don't you pont gotta pundits aaron rodgers. These fifty eight seconds left in the game to beat you like. That's where these quarterback driven runs are really hard to defend. I think justin's a massive weapon in that. He's a tough guy. I think that's something is not nearly. I've read through all of these evaluations of these players and everybody has a lot of good stuff to say the one biggest thing evaluations. they're toughness. This is a position where you have to be a tough guy. Physically and mentally and both trevor and justin are tough guys injustice at. He's a tough man's tough guy People will will point to the play offs and say. Oh yeah we saw injured. It's more than that. Is the mental emotional resolve. The he's show through his high school years as college years. What happened to him at georgia. The transfer is state negative. Talk around him. All the different things has happened in his in his life he is. He's developed or grit and resolve in a toughness that i will stamp at right now. He'll be a wild success. The nfl because of that. You know you're talking about the toughness. I think it goes hand in hand with being an outstanding leader. What are some of the leadership qualities that you've seen him display. Well both of them. I think you can speak the same way about trevor and justin's leaders They're bold. they're willing to step out there in front and be of boko voice and stand up for those that don't have a voice and trevor did for his team. His city his state his country this year for college. Football trevor showed boldness and stepping out in front of the social justice issues. Cova we wanna play. He was a. He was a thought leader and a vocal leader at every area. Justice done the same thing on his teams that every team this year went through more heaviness as a team than any teams in our pass and both these guys stood above all of it and lead their programs leather institutions. Many cases lead their cities The right direction and that takes courage for a young man to. There's a lot of thirty five forty year old. So i'm have that courage and yet these young men have it. You know it's funny. Because with justin feels evaluation. I feel like people are missing. The factor the special qualities displayed in high school. And someone sounds that we've been around him when you look at him do you. See the factor in just feels in his absolutely i as you know the factor. We did all show on it. It's very hard to quantify but you feel it. It's very hard to write it down what it is yet you see it. I think you have to be around the position a lot. I think if you're on team dynamics a lot you kinda know you have to have some insider information From his coaches his teammates. Both george ano- house day going back to high school. I think you need to have a context. This is a kid that's always had the. We spent a lot of time with them as a counselor this summer. At a lead eleven. We'll speak about. Trae lance sean. We'll get to trae. I would say he has the same type of qualities they have that equality there were they. Make them better There's a humility to him. Even though they have every reason to be brash and and arrogance There's a. There's a quality gym where they always wanna learn yet. They're confident they don't doubt what they've learned already. But want to learn more. There's a bunch of elements to this but yeah justin has it in. He's got more than you need. And he's he's exciting prospect because the physical traits mental emotional traits and then. Let's call them. The traits the factor. You know it's funny. You bring up freelance and there hasn't been enough conversation about him like you around trae a lot particularly this summer. What are you learn from your interactions with trae lands. Yeah they one thing has happened in this process and again. I'm not being critical. It's a natural flow of this redraft processes. Once mac became a story. Because mac was a guy. That wasn't even draftable player last year. He was on anybody's for now. He's being talked about being first round. Pick when that became kind of it was going to be. Trevor justin and zak wilson and mack jones. All of a sudden become big while. There's not enough time in the day to talk about the guy that i actually would put third and that's trae lance now. I wouldn't put them there to play it right away. There is definitely a rep experience issued that the gap needs to be filled if you draft this young. Many's by the majority of your preseason snaps this year and probably next year you need a year. One plan probably not to put him on the field. Because he has limited rats high school he was not a high volume thrower. He ran kind of a version of the wing. Tea is north dakota state. A dozen get a ton of starts over his career So you got to build that rep powder but if you wanna talk about shoes personality toughness. It's a cert. I've had him in my office. In here in nashville. I spent the summer with them at leader as a counselor. Here's a kid halloween for the game. Those of you. That don't know anything about north dakota state. Offense of football is as complex as the nfl. They multiple personnel groupings multiple shifts emotions tons a run checks on checks within run checks. Reads are peos. Endless amounts of of information that he had to digest every week. He was a kid that went all their coaches meetings so he acted as a coach even as a young player in college. He's a sponge. he's a break for the game. Football junkie so you add that with all the physical traits and if you went back fifteen years old school evaluation he could be the first pick of the draft cause you drafted off stature traits and how smart they were. It was pretty. That is pretty much that simple you. You would just chalk him up. Because he's as physically gifted as any of them his stature as big as the strongest arm of the group that could add the context of. He's as good. A learner is good as teammate. Go as anybody in the draft. You know go final. Think jones because we were around mag jones a little bit doing the process. You know about meg jones and the success. Are you surprised. By the success. That he's been able to have his final season alabama. I'm really not one because you know i. I've always says quarterbacks is that as dependent of position as anybody as any position sport. Yes it's important. Yes it's impactful but it's also very dependent so he's has a lot of good players around him to help him. Look good and i thought sark didn't incredible job of evolving. The offense around his skill set allowed him to do more where he could throw the ball on time he can play within the structure. The offense niki use his brain to get advantageous match. And one of the great things. Ballot obama's offense. This year is how how matt jones ran the show. He processed location and small amounts of time was able to find their match ups that created the biggest disadvantages for him. He was highly precise is a thrower. He's got very good. Throwing talent he wear he lacks is the ability to play second reaction football. So if you're drafting him you need to draft him to a situation where you're going to be more of an operator. You're going to operate the offense. You're going to have a lot of keys. The line of scrimmage to get into the best plays. He's as good as athlete peyton manning. he's as good as athlete. Is tom brady He needs to play that style of offense if he is if. That's your plan for him. Then he's a first round pick 'cause he has first round mental traits and throwing traits. But if you're gonna ask him to do something that he can't do well then you're making a mistake. So this is one of those drafts. Where the gm head coach coordinator all have to be some product on. You're going to ask him to do if you put him. In a new england style system and now some of those coaches are everywhere where they put in a mass a massive amount of burden on the quarterback to learn everything about body so not only after the quarterback position. They got no all the offensive line. Run game pass game. Yoke multiple calls for the same thing. You're you're installing fifty sixty new things a week. If that's your system. I think mack jones is a great pick. But if you're in a system. Andy reid where you're going to expect your quarterback to buy some time and move around and be an artist and create and paint a picture in the middle of a play terrible pick. He's probably not a top five round. Pick if that's what you're gonna ask them to do so again every year people wanna have listen. I'm wondering how many mock drafts you've done with more information coming out it's not about. Were they rank. It's about where they fit. There are certain players that are transcendent tight players. They can fit anywhere. Trevor justin. i was put out. Put his those two of those guys. I would go as far as putting trade. They're given the time to rosa player. Not right away given time zach. I'm not sure about honestly haven't finished migrating out on zach wilson. I i have some doubts there but also see a lot of the stuff that everybody else sees but mac does not a transcendent player. Kellyn mon- transcendent player. Sam etlinger isn't transcendent flair. They can be successful. Pros put in the right systems. But you're really talking about for sure. Two guys in this draft. Justin feels trevor lawrence. You can put a mini system in football and they're gonna find a way to make it better last thing. Why should we believe into thinking about bouncing back. Why wouldn't you ask the question. I keep asking is. Why wouldn't you look at his career. Look everything's ever done. Don't forget we're just a few years. Remind remove from tank with to then look at who. The miami dolphins were last year. I think it's one of the biggest criminal narratives it's happened. Last year's round quarterbacks is that too it didn't play. well do played very well. Considering what he had they were terrible. Offensively from a skill position aspect. He's coming off massive injuries. He has no. Ta's off-season very complex system. And now they've changed gordon and they've changed the offensive staff like this kid's gone through a lot and he's still play pretty efficient ball with what they asked him to do. I think with the addition of charlie fries quarterback coach manual. Both know is one of the great coaches coaches and all all a has a relationship with to a i think with what they've redone with their offense to stop and all these picks you give this guy talent around him. You give him assist system system. Were you can unleash him. And just because in play as well as erwin herbert near one. I really don't care about your what. And here's the of the nfl narratives. Who cares about your one. None of a won any games anyways. Who can take him to a super bowl. And i believe with what. Miami has been ammunition standpoint draft capital to the leadership of flora's and the rest of that building to a process in place with good coaches to bring out the best and joa. Let's have this conversation. Three years jewish ones the best in three years amen. I appreciate you to thanks. So much for inside was great. You got the puck. Always fun to be with you. I mean look. Trent is you know you wanna be passionate about what you do. You can definitely feel the passion when trump gets going on cubeys. Yeah he loves the quarterback. I love these guys because he develops a relationship with them at a very early age. And i think his insight should be listened to because see the guys in a bunch of different situations and you identified these guys very early and so when we talk about generational talents in those who have these Special abilities qualities. You see them very very early particularly at high school the conversation that we will have and we will continue to have to me is the guy that is kind of i. Guess he's in the group. But i still have on outside of the group s mack jones. Dj i think the conversation that we will have is. How much pure talent does he have. In how much when you grading him. I'll regrading him on production and performance within the system or regret him on his individual talents. And what he will bring to a team. Because i think depending on the prison that you use your grades are going to differ. And i think is important as you project them to a new team that you're able to accurately assist who he is and how he has to be utilized to max out what he brings to the table. Yeah i think in order to know what he is. You need to know who you are. I think that's that's a great way looking at that buck. I mean it's not gonna work for everybody but it could really work for somebody so you gotta know what you have and what you have in place. I also thought this stuff with two. Oh was fascinating you know. Just in terms of the lack of support he had around him. I'll steer clear of analogies then my now for the day But i wa- i did. I did have a dancing analogy. And there's something about like. Hey if you know the baby's coming you better get the crib setup and have one that's better can see i can see A graphic of like to face on a little baby on a baby spotty bassinet. I think his and like the little little little rocking chair in iraq. I can see everything. Nursery set a changing table changing table. Your diaper genie other stuff need bring the baby home because the dolphins need to make sure they have the accessories to make sure he can he can have a thriving little little childhood. I mean yeah. I think i just think that tool is looking around like we're the diapers we're talking. What type of here. That's the most important because we talk about it. A baby blanket. He needs something to make him very comfort- comfortable and so we like to find it in. The passing game is that tied in play. Make on the outside is running back behind him to these biki on make sure we get him a boom maybe he needs a jumar chase lounger. rocket glider sleep. Just name. a jomar jamar chance. Laura's knows how to swallow so we can put a little. I'm just going for the world's record for the weirdest analogies in one podcast. I'm good. I'll retire on that one By the way. Ab trask are fred. The social media whispers to self didn't have pregnant dog on my daniel jeremiah. Tweet being to So good man Anything else you want to add before we jump out of here but no i think it's fascinating dj and we'll talk more about free agency. We have talked about the value of positions ball cow. Use checks deal with forty niners paying a four back the amount of money that they're paying him. I think it increases the value in it. Still shows you how you might need to look for those fullbacks. When we're on the road scouting i'm still. He's never going to get there. But man i would love to see if somehow get to the forty niners just to add to the versatility in a position. Let's football that they're gonna play. Oh gosh it'd be fun A lot of fun no chance no chance he gets there That was fun man Great to catch up book. And i know we'll be texan offline and see what happens over free agency here over the next couple of days and we'll wrap it all up on the next episode of the show but that's going to do it for its stay one occurred you guys to check out the The video we've got it's going to be a digital you can find that. Nfl dot com. That's to be five pm eastern on thursday. You'll also be able to find it on network you'd be able to find on nfl network at a little later this week. It's a little different schedule With what's going on with free agency so that will be thursday night. That'll be eleven. Pm pacific so if you're on the west coast and you're up late you can find that thursday they're so beyond look out for that and then Also saturday if you want to get up early there on the east coast seven. am eastern. you'll be able to find the move to stick show on nfl network so be on the lookout for that. That's going to do it for us today. Appreciate you hanging with this. He's bucky brooks. i'm daniel jeremiah. We'll catch you next time right here on move. The sticks presented by castrol edge.

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681. MTS 360 - Trevor Lawrence Is a Jaguar

NFL: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks

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681. MTS 360 - Trevor Lawrence Is a Jaguar

"I think trevor can be an international superstar. You know there's not many football players. Become international superstars three watching them at the opening scene. This guy could go to an nfl training camp right now. Throw one on one. Throw routes on air. Look like an nfl quarterback versus. I can't really recall anyone like him. That had the combination of that size and speed and ann arbor talent the first pick twenty twenty one. Nfl draft the jacksonville. Jaguars select trevor lawrence quarterback clemson. Everyone it's daniel jeremiah from move the sticks and i'm bucky brooks and this is trevor. Lawrence is three sixty buckeye jacksonville. Jaguars fans are fired. Up about trevor lawrence being their new quarterback after he is the first overall pick. But they're going to learn a little bit more about trevor lawrence today because we're gonna have a chance to talk to a lot of folks who know him very well yeah. Dj this is a really deep dive into trevor lawrence and all things trevor lawrence we can talk to his colleagues goes dabo swinney. We talked to his family members. We can talk to the mayor of carville who also called is game in high school. Trent dilfer and we're going to talk to his quarterback coach. Ville just get a deeper perspective. Who trevor lawrence is. Who he was coming. This is somebody buck you know going back to high school. And not a surprise he left. Highschool is the number one recruit in the country He arrives at clemson and he delivers in a big way I think we both agree. Is the best player in this year's draft class and somebody that again. I think you've got to be fired up in jacksonville. Because everything he can do. I don't know where the limits are with the skit lament. He's a very talented players. A five star talent Tremendous combination of arm talent athleticism Intelligence instincts natural leadership skills and a big stage performer. And when you think about a guy who's been a qb one. Since he was fifteen sixteen years old he has always lived up to the hype The jaguars again. A franchise quarterback rb the first time they've had a franchise quarterback in their franchise history. It's not going to be too big from. I think that's something you're gonna learn as you go through this audio podcast and listen to all of these interviews The first interview though is one that just recently took place. And it's with trevor lawrence himself. This is him talking with the media the day. He was drafted meyer. The biggest thing is that he's a winner you've seen. He's done this whole career. So i'm really excited to be apart of that. You want to invest in community. Why is that so important to you wherever you yeah. I think it's just important to be normal. you know. And that's that's one way to do. That is by logging into the community investing in the community area about the people around you. That's kind of been something that may wanna do wherever we were gonna end up and now that we officially know that it's jacksonville. We just can't wait to get started in. Like i said to plug in level the people around the so. There's a lot of fun and just super excited for so. I'm curious about what you view as your biggest challenges to adjust your game to the nfl level and are there nfl. Quarterbacks that you'd have you have studied tried to to learn things from as you prepare for this. yeah. I think Obviously just making that transition from college the nfl. It's kind of a holistic approach. Like you gotta gotta get better at everything. So i'm just trying to find soon footwork mechanics mentally get sharper The now is transitioning. Let's learn the playbook get ready for camp. But like i said the main thing is getting there and adjusting to new teammates and coaches and really just seamlessly fitting in and i think like i said earned the respect and trust in your teammates is huge to me and then but like you said guys. I watched russell wilson's definitely one this guys. That are super efficient. That are really smart or they play. Aaron rodgers is a great example of that time. Then tom brady. Obviously he's been doing for forever so watching him someone. That's that consistent. I think you can always learn something from them. So those are some guys that i like to watch those opposite more although it interesting talking about him watching aaron rodgers russell wilson. Tom brady pretty good guys study. Don't you think yeah. I think trevor lawrence gets it. I think he understands what is expected of him. As the face of the franchise. More importantly i think he understands what he's tasked with. In terms of turning around a franchise that has really struggled in recent years and so as he continues to work in lockstep with urban meyer as it continues to be number one representative for the new coach. That's in jacksonville. I think he gets in sometimes. It's hard for quarterback coaches get on the same page. I believe he is definitely on the same page as remark. Because i think he's just one of those special players who gets it on off to few. I'm glad you mentioned coach. Urban meyer there somewhere that we've had a chance to talk to several times on the podcast Had a chance following the draft. We had him on the network coverage. I got a chance to ask him You know about trevor lawrence. And if he hits the checklist the quarterback position a checklist. He's talked with us. Numerous times about daniel. The thing that was really a shot or older dog really wanted travel right out of the get go the first time i spoke to him and and i explained to them that this is arguably the biggest decision. You know i'll make certainly in professional football this organization. I said let us do our work. I'll let us. I love trevor. I've known a long time by witnessed it. But i have to veteran. Ns out quarterback coaches their level and brian schottenheimer. Let us. let's go to work for what in our debt. And i always like to know you earn things in gold that in the jaguars opinion journal lawrence earned the right to be the first bit now through zoom calls multiple. We were tested him in brian. Them and if passive like dollars who did a great job. That's pretty cool. Buck the fact that they really made him earn it you know. Even though everything pointed towards him it wasn't a foregone conclusion they made him go through the process. All this zoom interviews all the learning all the quizzing and obviously in his words passed with flying colors. this is one of the things that i love about coaching. We've talked to a few different times about how he's bill coaches in previous spots. But i think this is what you have to have your best players have to be your hardest workers in your best leaders and i think right out the gate. They're putting trevor in a situation where you can earn his stripes. Not only just to see if he's worthy of being number one but they can already put the wheels in motion for him to be the leader of the team and that is in debt. You can't give a player. You have to earn that. The fact that he went through the process and make sure that he showed the jaguars without a doubt that he was deserving of being number. One i think that matters. And that is a launching pad for him to be the leader of this franchise very very early in his career. No doubt All right well. Let's get to some of these other guests here We're going to start with the younger years here. For for trevor is development the recruiting process and just as his high school years in general. So it's a kick that off how chance to visit with the head. Coach clemson dabbled swing. You know it's it's how you win. Do you win by sacrificing in compromising and and using young people are you win with love and compassion and development And and equip in young people With with a great experience in great tools for life. That's that's really. You know how we've gone about our business here and trevor is. Just come in here and step right into that You know role. He's the epitome of that. He he comes in you. Talk about developing yeah. He's a highly recruited guy. But he's got to come and he's gotta earn it. S the other thing. You gotta earn it here. We don't give anybody meaning. We're not entitling. Anybody you're empowered. you're not entitled. you gotta go earn it and trevor was that way and the recruiting process. Just a very humble kid committed december junior year. I mean at that point we had. We had the number one quarterback in the country committed to clemson as a senior senior high school. And we had like a top twenty quarterback with two quarterbacks in that senior class and he'd come and we had kelly brian zahra goo bird all these guys on the roster and then he commits december of his junior year. And to this day this is one of the things. I've told a lot of people body. You never ask me about another quarterback in the recruiting process. Not like not a single conversation. It was all about clemson. What are all about the people you know. That's all our offense you know. Style of play receivers style. He never asked me not one time. You're talking about a kid. It's not afraid to compete. And he came in. He committed december his junior year and it was over. Never another discussion about reverting each own about his business a high school junior high school senior. You know just being a kid enjoying his journey. And i can also say that about that guy. He has truly enjoyed his journey. He enjoyed being a freshman. He enjoyed camp enjoys spring practice. A watching him come in here and have this self awareness to him. He knows he's really talented but he's never satisfied and he knew he needed to get bigger stronger. Faster more knowledgeable all these things in watch him attack that process Were just great. Joy at his journey was really cool. And and you know prove that he could be he deserved to be. The guy had to go earn it and then he does that well. They must become a leader of the offense is less become a leader of the team. They have less become a leader of football. You know unless become a leader in your community and so it just watching him through that journey. It's been pretty special and do it with such grace and such humility and with the brightest of the brightest of the brightest lights in unbelievable scrutiny. In what these kids go through today is so different than when when we were coming up. I mean the scrutiny is unbelievable but there's never been a guy more prepared than trevor. He's been doing this the ninth grade when he won the job as a fourteen year old carville great program and he beat out a senior quarterback a really talented player. Who by the way was the starting tight in alabama this year. Okay but he had been a quarterback up until trevor made him a tiny in history. He drafted this year As well in fact he was at his wedding and you think about a senior in high school a great player division. One guy who who's who's pratt path changed because the trevor you know but but you gotta give that kid a lot of credit. He stayed at carville today. Will this guy I'll move to another position next thing you know. He signs as tiny in and alabama denies getting ready to be drafted. And i think that says a lot about that young man as well got chance to see him at trevor's wedding here's a fourteen year old with the weight of a whole program. I mean a town. Carter's friday night lights now. This is a this. Is tom high school football. They're passionate about it. And here's this ordine year old with long hair it six. Six first of all may not couldn't believe it. I mean when he walked in the room but just the expectations the scrutiny the social media the then you get into the seven also known as the alita leverage. You're supposed to win every week all that and then you're supposed to come to clemmson. You're supposed to win. The job is supposed to go to a national championship. Supposed to do this this this and you know we're supposed to be the number one pick he's been dealing with this stuff forever but guess what that's his nor that's that's what he's used to. That's normal to him but the beautiful thing about him is he's not. He's not driven by that stuff. He is a very s. Why fit our program very well because he's a very inside out person he's he's strong and his fate incredibly strong in his faith He's driven by that. He's grounded by that. I mean he just married his middle school sweetheart mundane some middle school through high school. Can you imagine trevor lawrence walking around on a college campus. You know i mean but yet he's very loyal committed in you know but one of the interesting things from dabo there. I thought you know going back to high school in your freshman. You beat out a division one caliber athlete which he did in the miller forestall kernersville high school. I mean that's when you're starting to your your your career off on the right foot yet. I think there's something to that. Because i that take away stood out to me. That trevor was a freshman in high school. And he beat out a guy who was a d. one player But the other thing when dab talks about trevor. Naveh asked about other quarterbacks along the way he was focused i mean on his own process. Didn't worry about competition and all the other guys and for a five star recruit a guy who has been celebrated as maybe qb one To never worry about those things is big volumes about his confidence and self esteem that he didn't let insecurities kind of get in the way of what he wanted to accomplish. Very comfortable in his own skin. I think we can definitely get that vibe. And you'll get that vibe as we go through these interviews. You're gonna hear from daboh a little bit later on as well but as we're talking about his development. There's nobody better to talk to when you're talking about a player's development. Then his parents. We had a chance to visit with jeremy and amanda lawrence about their son. Trevor jeremy and amanda. I guess my first question would be at. What point in time did you realize that your son. Trevor was a good athlete. Forget good football player but what what was that moment like okay. This is pretty good three or four years athletic. Enjoy playing everything so didn't know about football at that point harshly but the three or four years old and when he does five he was on the soccer team because he was not able to play football. Yeah was enough affidavit. Meet the farmer and so why he would just get the ball. Score and finally to the other team was like listen. You gonna take him out because he is making all the goals any eight. It was a it was on a break team. team said that they didn't really keeps going that much anyway but every time the ball was passed. Let trevor would get english for. And they're like other united states with this a little bit to his competitiveness. When did you discover that part of his personality. How competitive you us younger two or three he was i always very. He was more vigorously enhanced back. Then you could really see it. You don't see a lot of it now. Reads very competitive. But he was there you would have thought he would have been back. There were vocal aggressive. Amanda i'm curious what your thoughts were on him playing football. I mean i know where the he said. He's an academic all american. So i'm curious. What was that like the first time. He decided he was going to go in the football business. Really the this. I really didn't think that much about it. Because my brothers are lawyers so i grew up with the ball and i'm and i worked with ballplayers. Obviously they're not now. Footba and trevor had the football being the quarterback. Because i can tell what's going on and so in thinking about him. Becoming a quarterback was s. Something that was just is calling was just drawn to that position or did he have a cosa quarterback he was drawn to and he was a natural to it as he got older. We become camps on thirteen. I started putting with a trainer sound but he was just a natural at it really liked to throw So was just less without ability. Throw the football. Jeremy i want to go back to you on this real quick high school. He starts as a freshman and then next as high. School career goes on multiple state championships. He ends up being the number one recruit in the country. When was the time where you started realizing. Okay this is not just. He's not just a big deal in our town. He's becoming a national recruit here at a national figure in the sport after his in the spring after his freshman year all american honors and recruiting stepped up. So i mean we saw things in the eighth grade that were kind of heading that direction but nothing like after his freshman year in high school. It was my ex preps freshman all america game. I'll stay and all that stuff so it did not slow down after that is so you talk about it not slowing down. How is he able to handle the weight of expectations when he became a big name. I'll think he's handled it very well. He still the same guy as before with family. And you know he had exposure to Fourteen years old so near the downside of that is he was fourteen years old. So you lose necessarily want kids at that age to have to deal with so much but by the time he made it to college. It really helped them. Because he'd been exposed to the media exposed to a lot of pressure. You know all the things that go on in. He's always the handled pressure pretty well. Meaning you know with all the the fame as its own on his really really well with it. he's always they focus and you know just handled all even the price and the criticism very well. It's crazy bucky. How the recruiting thing has changed. You know used to be after your junior year. That's when the recruiting process starts now. It's pretty much over by that. I mean this he. He knew his son was a national recruit after his freshman year in high school. I mean big time and big time from a small town. It one dies coop program. Did he played it. Cards was outstanding. I mean you talk about a team does a perennial power. He takes over all the fresh expectations for him. To keep that thing going. He was able to but to emerging quickly as a national recruit and getting the interest. But trevor not really been phased by Once again i think one of the things that will hear from those who know him well. the pressure in the hype. And all those things never really impacted the way he played and i think it takes a very mature young player to be able to handle those things without it kind of creeping in filtering into their play. Well i think when you talk about being even Even killed probably a skill set. That would serve you well in the art world. I bring that up because one of the more fascinating things about trevor is his family and his his brother chase who was actually an artist. An accomplished artist And to me you look at two guys. Growth in the same household have pursued different passions. Both doing very well. And i think there's some similarities you can learn from the two of them Which is why we wanted to talk with chase to get his take on growing up with trevor and what that was like. So here's our conversation with chase lawrence. What was it like growing up in in the household there. And i would love to know how you got on your path that led you to be very successful. Painter and sculptor. Chevrolets always played sports and like love baseball basketball pretty much everything except soccer. I remember when he was in kindergarten They wouldn't let him play football. So all you can do is play soccer and he like mode everyone down so he. He always played sports and loved it. And i you know. I tried to play basketball. I liked it when i was really young. And then as i got older kind of you know didn't has have as much of an interest and everything but He was busy all the time when we were kids so with sports and everything so i didn't really even see him a whole lot like once he was like in middle school And then into high school he was just always busy We got to hang out like on the weekends and stuff like that but Yeah as far as me and argos. I always Was a drawer in a painter That was kind of all i ever really wanted to do professionally I kind of set my mind to the around my middle schools around like seventh grade. I was like. I'm gonna do it no matter what i put all my eggs in one basket and and then i went to art school and here. We are not as cool so you talked about you guys like obviously developing your passions or finding your passions early middle school. You with art Trevor obviously with sports and football. What is it like because you guys are. I'm sure sibling. You have a little bit of that competitiveness. But in your own feel what was it like in that household you guys pursuing two completely different tracks but supporting one another so crazy thing is. You're gonna ask anyone. I'm not a competitive person at all. So competition doesn't exist in my mind as far as like personal personal things. But so i never felt. Everyone asks me that they're like how did you feel growing up Trevor being like an all star athlete and everyone is giving him all his attention. And i just i was just happy and proud of him and nyc. I never felt jealous. Or anything like that But also my family. You know they love. Sports and sports is a lot more popular to your layperson than our is so like people. Just go crazy over sports. And so i was kind of like the black sheep of the family. But my family's you know. I'm close with all of them. So you know we all have a great relationship and everything but Yeah i think. Trevor started caring more about our and kind of what i was doing more in his maybe junior senior year of high school. And then i think that's around the time. I started carrying more about what he did as well. So we talk about how you guys can be different. But i'd be curious somebody who knows very little about art. I'm going to be fully honest here. But i would imagine to finish and complete. A project has to require tremendous poise and focus. And i mean because those are two attributes when we watch and study you know. Trevor we would say those are two of his greatest attributes. Do you see that. They're parallels connection there absolutely. Yeah i mean. I think the concept of that skill is exactly the same but the way it's executed and The way it is an action is different because timing with him is like everything's a split second You have to be very quick thinker. And i think with me it's Or with art and artist. It's more of a slow thinking process. But it's the same type of problem solving execution thinking about that. You talked about the creative mind creative aspect of what you have while it also retains a level of discipline if trevor was ever to come to you utilizing your experience as an artist to help him as a player. What kind of advice would you give in terms of helping him become great in his own respected field embrace the creativity. People don't think you know. Athletes are creatives But and maybe you know. They're not always exactly. But i think quarterbacks are especially creative as athletes. Because you have to see the whole picture all the different ways you can go all the all the intricacies and details of like how you're gonna you know dodge the other players and you know you know what i'm saying like you have to visually make sense of what's going on in and find solution and i think that is i mean almost like the definition of creativity. So is there a story when trevor was growing up. Where were you saw him. actually Have a temper temper tantrum or you got a little upset or we saw some some of that raw emotion. Come out because you guys seem chill. Yeah so this is funny. I tell everyone this My dad does to my mom and our grandparents ever the whole family really So he never really had a temper. That i remember but when he was a kid he was insane. I mean he would never wear clothes. Run down the street butt naked He would jump on coffee tables he would say like the most embarrassing out-of-pocket stuff in public in stores. Wherever we were and man we thought he was going to be so wild as got older and really be a handful but he is now like the complete opposite so it's fascinating how how he is now because that is not the same childlike yes. Oh it's funny that you say that. Because he does always appear to be really cool and composed employs. His is his demeanor like is he really liked that time. I always say this. And like every like trevor's vary like goofy and always joke and he's like never serious unless we're having like a heart to heart discussion or something but even then he still cracks jokes but When he's like you being interviewed or something he gets like this. Like interview based on like very like serious and Almost like monotone a little bit. I probably the same way but When we're just hanging out and stuff he's just so silly and just a jokester and a super light hearted guy And it's just kind of like a completely different side of him. That i feel like a lot of like fans and stuff don't don't actually see but it looks like he has a bright future ahead of him so sure start coming out more first of all from chases standpoint impressive to me that not not an ounce of jealousy and one hundred percent. Believe him They're grown up in a household with a guy who's really famous. I mean as a high schooler. He's famous in your town as well as nationally. but again. I think it's just a very rooted grounded atmosphere and hall that trevor lawrence grew up in. Yeah absolutely. nothing is very supportive. I actually Believe that his brothers path a different path as a sculptor. Artists may have have. Trevor may help trevor when he talks about tapping into the creativity and kinda forge in your own path. I think it is a unique thing. But i think chase gave great insight into trevor. How trevor was competitive and he almost like a man amounts boys from the time that he was very very little in all of the attention that he had on him for his after the exploits and once again how it didn't really impact me didn't change who he was as a person. Now this next guest you might ask. Why in the world are we gonna talk to the mayor of carter's ville Well because he was also the Who's calling the games for the local radio stations. So he called. Trevor lawrence is games and buck. You had a chance to visit with matt. Santini trevor is gonna roll his right on third down looking to throw under a little bit of pressure. Now he's gonna stop. He's going to run to his left and he's going to float it to the end zone. He's got a man out there. Turner dedicated paths touchdown. What a play by trevor proud to have the mayor of bureau georgia and also radio broadcaster at wbz h f in georgia matt santini. Thanks for joining the mcs podcasts. How're you doing. Thank you becky pleasure to be with you. Talk about one of our hometown heroes. Speaking of hotel he were obviously. Trevor lawrence is a big deal down there but before we get to that i want to know how do you juggle duties of being the mayor of the town and also the play by play voice of the highschool games at the high school. Well that is a great question. The mayor's position in carter's villes a part time position of city manager form of government. So i get to manage the meetings be involved with a lot of economic development and policy issues. I'm not responsible for all the day-to-day operations. Fortunately we've got a professional for that. Running the radio station gets tricky sometimes. for instance that new car driving we will not do a story on all the money. That's missing from city hall. That's pretty funny. They're married now. Everyone is excited about trevor lawrence. I'm sure he is celebrated ended on town. Let's go all the way back. What was it like the first time you saw triple locks you know the story. Two trevor really begins before he was even in high school. People were talking about this eighth grade kid and carter's will a very story Football program and so they've had success and so it's nothing to see kids. Come through and have a great deal of success but when you hear about this eighth grader. That's going to be coming up in place quarterback and might potentially be this fantastic player. It was kind of skeptical. And you'd be real careful about trying to over promote you know thirteen or fourteen year old kids. They are actually that just kids. But it didn't take long that it was that first year where he was a freshman. He was rotating a quarterback duties with miller forest. Dollar went onto to play alabama and it was the second game it really was when they were playing north. Cobb they actually ended up losing the football game but miller had gotten hurt and so the keys were really turned over to trevor. At that point they lost the game by one but it wasn't for lack of any effort on his he. He played a fantastic game and from there. He just kinda knew that there was something special about this kid and from there he just kind of took off and it was really amazing the arm strength and the where he places the football from from the time he was a freshman early in the season was was just remarkable. It has to be a communist. You're young handle the responsibilities starting quarterback on varsity with the level of precision amp production. That trevor was able to do. So what are some of the highlights that you can remember of trevor lawrence. His high school career. I look back at his really his sophomore year. There were a lot of great accomplishments there the state championship game a game. That carter's will only ten to nothing. It wasn't a great statistical game but his leadership was was very evident. And it's the thing that i've told people from the very beginning. You see the long hair and you think. Oh he's he doesn't. Everybody calls him sunshine. Try to relate to to remember the titans. I've told people since before he left. Carter's volts like man. The thing that people forget about our they. They miss on him. He's faster than you think he is. He's deceptively elusive and he likes contact a lot more than people think he has always been a super competitor a super leader and and again of toughness that goes. I think still underrated. You know it's funny because you talk about those traits. I believe humility is a traded is also associated with trevor lawrence Do you have any examples of how homeboy trevor lawrence is. Despite all the athletes that have come his way. I can probably talk more about that. Seeing what he's done and the person he is off the field than i can on the field. You know look at the fact that on fridays he would go to the elementary school in visit with kids. Who just wanted to see him meet him. I remember going out to a local restaurant and he was there with his girlfriend. Now fiancee soon to be wife Enjoying lunch and there were adults coming up to him wanting to try to talk to him and also saw a number of other high school players. That obviously weren't nearly as good as him who are acting like they were a lot better than they had that high school attitude. You know just acting like here. I am. I'm a high school football player. Look at look at me and he just sat there quietly in the corner was eating his lunch and being respectful to everybody i think about really his time at clemson. There's a young man. Here who had a heart transplant Head of unexpected heart issue and trevor snuck back into town. I say he came home. There wasn't a lot of fanfare and came to visit the the young man who just bring 'em jersey and tell them these thinking about them. It's those types of things that really stand out to me with the person that trevor lawrence is. It's it's really the things off the field. And i've said it. There's a lot of adults that can learn how to behave as a human being from this very young man. Yeah there are a lot of people that can learn a lot of different things from trevor lawrence. You talked about his personality. Humility the leadership ability but there are a lot of people that are really fascinated by the talent. So you have to tell me about this. This throw that i keep hearing about. It's called the throw versus mary pearson. In the playoffs the semifinals back in two thousand sixteen. What am i missing. Tell me about throw. It just came coming off that big win on the road against woodward academy. They were at home yet. Feel good about it and right out of the gate. carter's will was down fourteen. Nothing there was a very rare turnover and touchdown and then another quick touchdown. So there's carter's well playing at home down fourteen. Nothing leads them down the field and it was. I can't remember the down. But i remember him just rolling. Who is right and everybody was covered. He he pump faked other quarterb. The linebacker jumps in there. He does a total spin around and turns his left throws it across the field and drops it right over the shoulder of a receiver on the other side of the field and got got his foot in bounds. And it was a touchdown in from there. They they went on and won that game rather largely after that but again down fourteen and nothing had the had the presence to make this great athletic life. I'm sure is one of a of highlight place that he made his arm guard. Israel are the how pleased it stand out to you. Well i think from a highlight perspective. I'll tell you the thing that sticks out in my mind is enjoying watching him play clemson. It was one of the first nationally televised games that he was on and watching the announcers. He was having a big game. I can't remember the opponent but listening to the announcers towards the end of the game trying to come up with something different to say and trying to come up words to describe what he was doing. And i remember putting out on social media sediment watching that i'd come up with four years worth of of words to try to describe what this guy is doing and they were having trouble getting through one college football game with it. That's that's part of the part of what i'll remember. The most of the other part. That i remember is there's isn't a local team up here that their student run twitter site decided they were going to try to talk a little bit of trash about coming into town and getting some resent revenge for a big game. That cars won rather handily the year before and trevor. They tweeted at him. And that wasn't a good thing to do. And you know he's real responsible on social media too and he just tweeted out two words wrong move and shortly after that their twitter account apologized and After that They came to carterville. Actually it was We went up to carter's Calhoun and won that game by account of fifty eight to six overlook. So obviously yeah. Obviously you don't wanna poke to bear. But let's talk about the town. Has the town feel about trevor lawrence in all these become since he's loved high school. You know it's. It's a double edged sword for me In a good way. I mean he is he is put. Carter's ville in the spotlight. Certainly were a very proud community over twenty thousand people. We've got or the home of ronnie brown who enjoyed success in the nfl. Andre flewellyn who did as well and both great young men who have contributed back to the community in our county we also vic beasley lose a little bit of here. Who's enjoyed time in the nfl and again giving back to the community. Great people as in addition. But you know hartsville the opportunity because of trevor lawrence to be on espn and play a football game in our home stadium into spotlight our community on espn or anywhere nationally. A couple years ago there was an ad campaign for adidas that featured. Carter's those football uniforms on. There wasn't our players but it was our uniforms and the level of attention that we have gotten positive attention because of trevor lawrence There's kids listen. There's been kids in this town when when trevor was still here where where number sixteen purple jerseys. Now everybody's been wearing purple. Excuse me orange number sixteen jerseys and unless something really really strange happened of biblical proportions. There's going to be a lot of -til sixteen jerseys being worn around carter's ville and i'll probably buy one myself. I know it's an exciting. Time is an exciting time for trevor. Lawrence is exciting time for everybody to carter's georgia mayor mass anthony. Thanks so much for joining the mood. Six buckets thanks buggy awesome man. I'm glad you got a chance to visit with him again. People knew about trevor lawrence as an eighth grader. I mean so when we talk about you know expectation and what the expectation could be at the next level. This kid's been dealing with expectations since he was thirteen. Fourteen years old. Yeah and and. I think that's something to being comfortable being in the spotlight We always talk about franchise quarterbacks in all of the stuff that comes along with the responsibilities. That increased attention and scrutiny. Whichever lawrence has been dealing with that literally since seven and eighth grade To up encarta joe in even though we can talk about it being a small town. Football was big to handle that pressure to handle responsibility to beat out A player who was older and then to continue to keep card ville winning at a high level speaks volumes about who trevor lawrence isn't and why there's so many scouts to really love What he could be the next level. No doubt Well i mentioned him a little bit earlier and visiting what trent dilfer up there at the at the opening the elite eleven event that you're part of buck But to get some more thoughts on trevor lawrence From trent i thought was something we had to do here with this three sixty episode and you had a chance to visit with our buddy trent dilfer. Obviously this is a fun time for us. Because i feel like we get a chance to see these young quarterbacks grow up in front of our eyes and so what i would like to do is go back to twenty seventeen to the top guys came through process process. Travelers justin feels. Let's start with trevor lawrence when you first laid eyes on trevor lawrence. What did you think think. He was a sophomore or freshman highschool care member. And i said i'll i mean here was a kid that already was mature beyond his years. obviously was a great athlete but was also pretty clean. You don't have been coached very well in georgia by joey king Had developed well had played a lot of seven on seven it already had played a lot of football at the varsity level so he looked like a ban even when he was fifteen sixteen years old and he went through the process he only grew bigger and stronger more powerful than honed his craft and but the thing is the story about. Trevor isn't the physical stuff. It's the mental stuff. Is the competitive stuff. I i remember at the opening. The he was there He he was a sponge. Wood craig nall. One of our coaches who played seven years in the nfl was bugging him late at night going into his room after hours and asked him to teach more ball as a kid that love football he loves to learn. He has zero entitlement to him. He has no ego. is the team above self guy. So he checks every single box. There is to check as a prospect and he was checking back when he was seventeen years old. I mean i remember seeing watching them at the opening. This guy could go to an nfl training camp right now and throw one on one throw routes on air and look like an nfl quarterback you talk about that. I think that remember getting tough for him a little bit at the opening in the finals. What did you discover and watching him. Go through some adversity as a young person. Well that's the biggest thing. I look for quite honest with your ally base a lot of my evaluations off. How they respond to setbacks we look at it in game with an acronym pace plays after critic flares Study that really hard and in that environment of camp environment or a high school football game environment. A practice environment off the field. A guy can be a knucklehead off the field in house respond to that after the fact. So i think it's i think that metric evaluation has a lot to do with their long term success. Because you're gonna have a lot of setbacks. You're going to have a lot of adversity. And it's it's not what happened to you. It's how you respond to it and then trevor's a guy that whether it was the old venetian whether it was not winning the final game of his high school career. Whether it was a setback at clemson he's always been a guy bounces back better the next opportunity. And that's really what you're looking for him and tom. Brady's throwing a lot of interceptions. He's lost a lot of games is a lot of stinkers. He's got a lot of bad series. I think what separates ms that relentless pursuit of the next opportunity. And that's why he's been at his best for twenty one years those situations. Yeah me kind of echoed. What what he had said to me right back. I mean is it. Looks like an. Nfl quarterback is high school. He did and and talked about the adversity. That trevor faced during that event and our say having competed against trevor during that event it was difficult for him because it had been very easy for him to dominate. And it's the first i would say. The playing field is level s. o. The seat trevor have some struggles but to see the resiliency. The toughness grit and determination where he was able to bounce back and finish off strong Once again when you're evaluating quarterbacks you're always looking at how do they respond to bad things dead event. Trent kinda talked about. But but trinh kinda saw some of those things that we all see and we all like about him his build toughness. 'cause i think toughness comes out in a few different occasions. They know to how our next guest. Here's somebody that's known trevor. Again going all the way back to seventh grade. We're getting some some some really good looks at trevor lawrence from different angles here. This is ron veal. Who is a private quarterback coach against work with trevor lawrence since middle school. And we had a chance to visit with ron the first time that you met trevor. When was that and tell us a little bit about that one. Well the first time. I met him was at a football. Camp around. The age will the most rommel's seventh grade. He came out to account long lanky and one of the parents and we'd introduce me to him. And that's how i started thinking about him being long and lanky coach. How were you able to build up his mechanic so he was able to come such an efficient passer at the high school. Look i really think that was It was already there. He was more a bottoms up. Guy work on his fort worth. That's delivery was an air. Just clean up a little bit as he as he matured. His body caught up to his age and his but as like throwing the ball. That was already. There was just a natural no doubt coach. When when you look at trevor we see it you know. We saw it in the ohio state game. Twenty nineteen when he took off and ran just the example of the athlete that he is a peek downfield panel ruled that breaks a tackle head is still running pork. Rice pull their catcher tigers. Wow hey game changing play. Is there a moment during your time train with him. Working out with him that That kind of jumped out to you. This overall athleticism all you know. He played baseball as well so he was well rounded athlete. He was always athletic drills that we do us like his movements and pocket get now thrown volatile ride. So those things were there. I just didn't know that fast when you ran away from gaza ohio state great length in color code. You talk about the athleticism. The one of the things that trevor is known for its competitiveness. When you've been working with them have you seen examples. Do you have examples of win. That competitive fires come out. I think he's more of a perfectionist with the competitiveness. Every ball has beaten in a great place. Him that ensure right off right He always worked on this crap fourth time so that competitive edge is always there especially in that game. I think everybody see how it looks and thinks that might be a soft kid. But he's very competitive. Fight you fight you tuning in which we know. He had a huge reputation. Come out of high school. Do you remember when that kind of exploded when he started to get really a lot of attention locally and then kind of growing beyond locally to nationally and and how did he handle that. I think he howard well. I also backing for all attention. He received on high school and it even started a middle school with him. Because everybody everybody knew who was. He started as a freshman in high school. As a ninth grader playing football he enjoys it. S pretty impressive and he started for four years and he went to. I think three state championships in one state championships. And four as the hyper as always remember we will add a chick-fil-a watching film. This elderly lady said your trump alarms take a picture with went get an autograph and he was gracious in. That wasn't arrogant or anything like that. So at that point in time. I mean that he learned how to deal with his status as i will say celebrity quick. I got a follow up on that coach as somebody who played quarterback if my if i had a quarterback coach who was training me at a chick-fil-a i do believe i would have exceeded the level that which i played. I mean that is that's next level right. There was a spot that we will go to new format stuff but it works. It was right causes three from his this one one thing on trevor because you talked about him being a freshman leading team every success. One of the things that he's done for is winning. What is it about him able to to get his team to the winner's circle consistently. I think he's just not a selfish person. He can make other people around him. Better from the last guy on the roster to the i got on the roster. I think he treats. Everybody is sane and he leaves example. He's not raw but he leads. By example i end last one out. He's encourage encourage encourage. And that's the biggest thing i see from russia. What was the reaction from from the community Seeing after he goes to clemson and that game where he is a young player. Tears up this legendary alabama defense win a national championship. What was the reaction from folks in town there. Where you know. He's north of atlanta on cod israel. I'm sure he was out to the hilt but what is doing for. The key is here in atlanta metro areas. Just showing that. There's a waiting you can accomplish all of these things just work at being being hobble as you go about what you're doing and just come from hard work and i think e put an awful lot hard work with talent and he has two kids being together coach. They ever trained together. The justin trevor ever trained together. And if so what was that like well. We only did it. One time asset to say what we had it. Where at a freshman year at georgia or going into freshman year georgia and clemson. We had him on the field together and usually neither one of them talk during a session. So this session was even quieter because we could see the competitive level goal goal goal in those type of session where you don't really so much just watching enjoy it because it wasn't much to say just they went at it from head start to the finish and i'm just pretty good. It's pretty good coach. How unusual is it to have to. I mean top picks within thirty five miles of each other. Is there a of quarterback talent in that area in georgia. Yeah right now. i'm kinda biased. Yeah i think. We have a group of people training quarterbacks in atlanta right and Atlanta has a group of kids. Maybe fifteen twenty years right now. Got one office georgia. And i don't know if is a high bid but something's happening in some. Some good is happening on our in and we'll take it so like i said those two kids are helping so many other that they probably don't even know about fourteen dreams of clinton at the next level or even making it to the nfl but what they're doing is really helping a lot of as an retro from the standpoint lake. I can do the same thing. If i really really focused on what i'm doing and and i respect and how will be all about. The game is nowhere. It can take me somewhere. What couple takeaways here. But first of all. I love the fact that he's doing working chick-fil-a that's that's a win for me that's That's going to get you a little. Not a bump up the grade watching film and chick-fil-a But to me the other thing that really stood out is the fact. We talk about this phrase. And i think some people. Maybe they'd think it's it's hokey. Or what have you when you say guys and natural thrower some of these kids you can just tell the first time they picked up a baseball or football like that's what it was supposed to look like and to me. That's kind of trevor. Just a real easy natural thrower. Yeah easy natural thrower And i think talent is always there when you look at it. Because it doesn't like he exerts a lot of energy and effort. He makes throws code visuals outlining of trevor's like perfectionist. Tendencies in how he just wants to do it right all the time in how. He's driven to do those things. i think. That's a common thread this year to monks great players and so to identify inspired that trevor lawrence early. I think it kind of highlights. Why he's been able to have the success that he's at a young player or used to say in the draft room. You know our boston's used to tell us. Hey paint a picture of this player. You know. Paint a picture. Where if we've never seen him before you gotta to describe him and tell us about him so we can close our eyes and imagine what he looks like. That's what we're trying to do here. In this three sixty episodes. Hopefully you've got a good feel for. What trevor was kind of coming through high and in the early development and when he got started in this sport now we want to transition to what took place once he got the clemson because he has had one of the better college careers of a quarterback that we've seen since we've been doing buck going back twenty years So let's jump into that and to do that. Let's bring back coach. Dabo sweeney for a little bit about what took place there at clemson. I think trevor can be an international superstar. You know there's not many football players. Ever become international superstars I think part of the part of that is just because you know. We all wear helmets and uniforms in. You know kind of get defied by that and then you take helmets often. You know you become a normal person. Sometimes you blend in. Trevor doesn't go in In any regard. I think that he's one of those guys that just because of his presence of he's got a chance to really transcend the sport. What would you give. Because i know what i would have. What would you give to just be able to wear trevor's hair for like maybe this like a week if you could just walk around with that for you. Well if i'd known you don't ask that question i would. I would put my wig on. Because i got. I went on the air gap between worn it to couple team meetings along. The way you know had some fun with that but you know i don't know seems like a lot of work to me a shampoo and the flip and all that stuff but hey it works for him. I don't know that. I could pull it off but i guess sixty six goes with it but you know the cool thing about him is he does have this look of hollywood. He really does but he. I'm telling you he is the most unholy would You're ever going to meet is very simple very disciplined routine guy and just just very normal very normal like i said. He looks like this. Like he's got all this almost some madonna to him but he does man he's he probably uses pantene. Simple shampoo. think we have to do. We have to do comps right so for the network. We always have to come up with comparisons for these guys and so with trevor. I said well he's not. There's not one conference. He's kind of a unicorn in that degree so to me. I just said justin herbert's frame. He's got jennifer aniston's hair. Yeah i don't for either. I i really don't i don't know who he is is very unique a lot of people in fact we did. I just did a thing with peyton. We did a little thing. Down at the golf star. Mashes all star. That was kind of fun seeing those two because that was really his hero growing up. Let's paint men. S why sixteen or spain payton was finding because he was golly. If you'd like if. I was hero. You wish you have chosen mama mater you know but you know. He's he's he's big like peyton just a better athlete. You know. I mean he can just flat out. I mean he's so different I can't really recall anyone like him that had the combination of that size and speed and an arm town. It's it's unique an just an incredible football. Iq go with me. He's got a high aptitude for the game processes. Things quickly anticipates. Well you can make all the throws and got a bright future for sure why i thought it was fascinating buck when we think of cops is one for trevor. Just different right. I mean we can say a little bit of this guy a little bit of that guy but it's As coach said it's it's hard to come up with. It is hard to come up with one. And when we think about trevor and you watch him you know it's funny because you just don't see guys kiss is with his athleticism his arm talent. I know recently we've seen just in her become into the league but it's kind of hard to compare somebody like that so quickly but yet trevor. He's unique player. He's a bit of a unicorn a position no doubt he's definitely different All right let's Let's get back to its parents here. this is jeremy and amanda lawrence about that that magical run their his first year at clemson. Amanda i won't go back to you on this one the freshman year and i i believe i don't know if the jerseys behind you are from that from that season or not but to to step on that stage and take over the position when he did and then to go on that run i mean. What was that like for you for you parents. I'll start with you manage just to experience. What a magical time. That was For him and your family yeah. It was really exciting. I mean i was so proud of him. And and just you know you went. Allen competed and he didn't let any kind of press or you know i guess You know what the press was anticipating or whatever. He didn't let that bother him he. He knew that he had a job to do when he went to clemson that he was going to compete for a starting job. That's what all the quarterbacks do are any position that you're assigned to or that you play. And he gave it his all and yeah the super proud of him. I know you have to be proud of. Not only what. He's become on the field but it seemed like over the last year so he's really grown into the leadership position in terms of the face. The clemson have you seen him. Grown from your own is as a parent terms of a leader and as a a role model for others. Well i mean one one thing that comes to mind straight away as though high state game when we were down and then we ended up coming back in and winning that game. I mean he didn't let anything get him down. He really picked up his team and was like is you know we can do this and really didn't give up and he's is always been persistent in that aspect and Yeah under super proud. And how he's brown as a later and that he can. You know be an example to his team a hard worker. Don't give up you realize along with that. But the platform has to impact people off the field and he embraces that and You know really wants to take advantage of that opportunity. So i think he's definitely around in that capacity. I think he will continue to do that while this is this is probably the most important question that i have you guys. You guys have been great with us today. I just. I got to know as somebody who's a little bit thin appear and as bucky who somebody who's more thin up there. Where does this beautiful flowing hair. Come from from trevor. Who did he get his hair. Not for me. He had a head full hair. That's you realize guys that's the first. That's the first endorsement deal. That's coming if it hasn't come already. I mean that's the first one that's coming. He's going to have a shampoo deal before the first contract is even signed. I do think he's going to have shampoo deal buck. I think that's coming. It's just a matter of time there. I mean that's that's the easiest market anybody could ever put together. Yeah i mean absolutely look man. He has his everything that you look for it. It's easy to be jealous when you see a kid who has all the size and physical gifts that that you want you see the hair which certainly stands out. It makes him an even bigger superstar when you look at it and then just the overall talent in the way that he wins. Some guys just have that magical ability to get their team to the winter circle. Trevor went on one of the best ones that we've seen in college football in terms of leading the tigers to their first national championship. And for him to do it as a freshman is uncommon. Definitely great to catch up with his parents again on that topic. All right. let's bring back trent Again knows trevor. Going back to the elite eleven and i thought he has a good feel for the evaluation in what you see when you study what he did at clemson trevor s no title very early in his career then he gets clemson back but he he loses in the semifinals and then loses in the finals during those two years in watching him as a college player. What are the things that you're most impressed with. And what do you think that he has to continue to work on it to be the player that we all think that could be the next level all star with what it needs to improve on and it's been something he's been working on since high school but just recently in the last couple of months he's really identified it with jordan palmer spoke to jordan a couple of weeks ago. I'm the things that trevor came in wanting to work on the same things that myself jordan another's kind of identified. He's got to become more flexible in his upper torso. He has very poor rasic flexibility therefore he doesn't rotates as a thrower he goes pistol and forward as a grower so he tends to be wide and spread out at times that leads to some of the inconsistencies. I think he dressed already. He wants to play at the more. Stable base wants to stay more level so fundamental stuff fundamental stuff. That will lead to more consistency. And that's the only knock you can find on trevor. Is that every once in a while. We'll get away from him when he's really tried to rip it or when he's rush because there are some slight tweaks music vague fundamentally But that's really yet. He has good is for. The game is good a presence in the pocket. a feel for people around him win to become a window. Attack the line of scrimmage as a runner and win a by time was shuffles and slides in the pocket. There's a great clip. I think is against notre dame in the in the playoff game where they're running kind of a dive in fake across route and then a high corner off of it. He's getting pressured and ninety nine point. Nine percent of quarterbacks would have not bought the tai to make a throw and he goes backwards in the pocket because the events of lines linemen are coming up on them and takes probably sixty percent off the ball and lays it out to a spot and they get thirty yards out of it. A little nuances like that game. He's playing the professional level game at the college level. He's a he's a horsepower. Twitch guy and i kind of introduced this concept a couple years ago with justin herber as sophomore and saying you know there's a guy coming up it has a rare combination of horsepower and twitch was she gives you guys horsepower very powerful. They're strong their physical confidence. Ben rothlisberger cam newton. Some of the giants of the game but lacks twitched. They lack that through and next thing you know they're gone. They're icy and it comes out of their hands. Then you see a littler guys. At times johnny manziel Some of the smaller guys. That are so twitchy but they lack power will very rarely. Do you find the guys have. Andrew lock was really the first one lack the little twitch but had it thought herber was another one that had it. And now you're looking at who's really the ultimate model horsepower twitch so from a trade standpoint that's what it is and then he has every throwing the catalog We always talk about. How big is your cadillac. Some guys are greater outbreaking route. Some guys are good target route. Some guys throw a lot of crossing routes some guys though some runway rep runaway routes deep ball quick game. Rpo catching throw whatever it is. He's got them. All the one thing about this offense is. It's i wouldn't call it. A system at times is lacking over his career. They have added ball you to the catalog. And he's pretty much made every throw you're going to be asked to make in his college career. Throw by these touchdown. I liked that but horsepower. Twitch i've used those individually talk about guys having horsepower. Talk about guys having twitch. Trent combine them all together. I mean he. He does a extraordinary gifts. And that's why because we talk about six five six frame but the athleticism and in the arm talent whip is outstanding in terms of being able to push you down the field the way the ball comes out. You talked earlier about him being natural thrower and so yet. The best pitchers are the ones that can mix a little power finesse. Trevor lawrence able to do that It's always great when you can talk to somebody. Who is an expert at the quarterback position as well as somebody who's coached against trevor lawrence and we had that opportunity to visit with david cut cliff. Who's head coach at duke. And one of the premier voices on the quarterback position. You about somebody that you had a chance to to coach against. I know somebody that you had on campus. Well you've known for for a long time trevor lawrence. We also he's going to be the first. Pick your jacksonville jaguars. But what what was your first exposure to him. And what was your takeaway. Well i mean first of all. He's bigger than you stay. Bs faster than you think. he is. Okay i know his high school coach. Well he was well coached and trained in high school but the things that his high school coach said about him as a person as a teammate think he's displayed it clinton that he's a great teammate. Which is extremely important. Probably the greatest compliment. An athlete can get this. Being a great team. Met and So i do think he's humble hardworking. you know where he is in his progression as a quarterback. I wouldn't know as much about but he does possess the skill level and really again going back to having great respect for his high school coach and remember everything he said about. Trevor makes you realize that. He's he's got the intangibles as well. Great who you talk about that. One more perspective trevor. Being on the opposite when you face a guy like trevor lawrence what do you feel like facing a guy like that was the challenge. We face someone who's as talented and dynamic namic as a trouble arm. Well i mean. We didn't really have an answer to be honest with you. The challenges are is that he is big enough and he could be pure in that pocket he can do what the guys i've coached before can do. And then he can create so we played against johnny manziel in his last game at texas. Am go to arm. We all know the mobility was incredible. That you knew he wasn't going to just stay in the pocket in throw it the way. Trevor can throw trevor control outright song time he can throw digs on time. You know and that that's really to me. What you've got to see is an any certainly the body type you know to do that. And i think that's the unique that we didn't have an enhancer. I mean if you just try to keep him into pocket rush high. He's going to be successful in there. You can't even not rush him and try to jump in bat balls because he's a good side gap so we struggled again. Best thing you can do is limit the number of snaps they get. Somehow i thought the stuff about throwing on time was impressive. Buck as much as you know bigger and faster more athletic and all that stuff then you maybe think when you watch them on tape too when you see him in person i think the fact that he can throw routes on time. I think that point by coach cut cliff was a big one. Yeah that definitely was a big one The bigger thing was coach cliff pointing out that he just sent. Trevor lawrence was a great teammate So much of what we talk about with the quarterback position has to do with the physical ability. But it's a leadership position in being able to connect all types of players from different parts in different backgrounds and all those things and to support them and to get all of those guys moving in the right direction for an opposing coast to be able to see that identified that in trouble lawrence. It just kinda tells you how special trouble ours is. I think it's interesting. When just kind of connecting the dots steer and coach cutlip having coached peyton manning. You think about trevor lawrence wearing that number. His daboh told us because of peyton. Manning tennessee So to me. I just think it's it's interesting when you see this kind of path that he's on and there are. He does have a little bit of peyton manning to his game obviously is different athlete but there is a there is some similarities. There it's fascinating when you when you get a chance to connect all these dots Another coach there in the acc that we have a great relationship with one of my coaches from. Upstate is is scott satterfield. Who's done a really nice job. There with that louisville football program. We had a chance to visit with him and ask him his thoughts on trevor lawrence. Think you saw them this year. I don't think he played clemson this year. By now you saw in nineteen Just just playing playing against a coaching against trump lawrence and then also seen him. I'm sure you saw tun across over tape this year. Just your take on him as a former quarterback yourself well you know. He's he's really unbelievable. I i try to find a weakness on him and i. I don't know what it is. I'd be interested here. You're taking what weakness you think he has. Because you know he's six six. He runs like a six foot tremendous arm he's he's very accurate. But but i think the one thing that i love more about him than anything else is just his demeanor in his approach to the i think that sets him apart from everybody else. You know when you have that i mean. He's he's more in the line of of the peyton manning. Tom brady drew brees. He's got that about him so in those guys obviously are hall of fame type players so he has the talent. He's got the skillset more so than tom. Brady's tall but he can't run drew. Brees is we've got a great so he's got kind of all those intangibles plus the things that you want the leadership the humbleness that he has the team first mentality people wanna play for him and get everything they have for. He's gonna make everybody around him better. You know so he. He's just he's a. He's a unicorn. I mopped i. I kinda nitpick like when you play those games. Lsu and highs. They may be win. The pressure in the late change in coverage. They tricked them a little bit but he is so good. I think coach for you. I think always fascinating to get a coach's perspective when you're on the other side line and your team is playing against a duke. A franchise quarterback. What is that feeling. Like when you're facing and does it change how you approach it from office depot. What is it like facing a topnotch quarterback on the other side. Well yeah yeah. It's very challenging. Obviously now we played them two years ago we had two pigs so he had zone interception while ended up taking them all he doing the coverage a little bit. You know trying to force the ball. You know sometimes quarterbacks do that. But but i think you really just trying to contain them. I mean really. You know you know. He's going to be able to make those plates. The thing about clemson to is that you had some other players that are really good with wide receiver of the running back. So i'm really really just can't try to focus. Oh stop and so on. That's where it makes it really challenging thing. But i think you just want to try to keep everything in front. Don't wanna give up those big plays on that he's obviously capable of doing try. Try to make him get impatient things so you know. Just give him the underneath rose and see if he'll take them. All you know some quarterbacks will they wanna get. I wanna throw that ball down when and get a little bit hungry in in the eager to throw the ball downfield. That's where you get in trouble. Hamad if he's has that faces than it's gonna be hard to beat him you know because they have so many great weapons around but Yeah it's it's very difficult. I think when you face somebody that caliber town. Why as you know coach. I prefer it for the teams. Just give me the stuff. I didn't really take those layups all day. Long making a profit if someone wants to get back in again book leadership humility Some of those things that come up that you would think is an opposing coach. You wouldn't really pay attention to more. The skill set stuff but manages comes out. Everybody we talked to. It comes out so it's obvious. Dj that Trevor lawrence displays something on the field. That other coaches can kinda sense. Sometimes we talk about the fact in the swagger. But when i get that i get from trevor lawrence there's this self assuredness disquiet confidence that you can just pick up. That he kind of has this. I got it. Don't worry about it. Team i got i think opposing coaches recognize. That and i think they appreciate that. No doubt We've had a chance to visit with gash coaches and family members player guys. That have coached against him. Trainers you name it. We've talked but every we haven't talked to as a teammate. And we couldn't get through this episode without getting glimpse of trevor lawrence as a teammate. And we did that. Fortunately you're able to catch up with arguably the best running back in this year's draft class his teammate. Travis t. n. So in thinking about clubs in your program you guys have been so successful and so there's naturally a lot of attention on the players. They're one of the players has been trevor lawrence. What is it like to play with trevor lawrence. What is like an auto trail. He's cool calm collected. I mean he he. He really buses but everyone stops listening. And after they travel the skies little for him. A man i mean. It was really a great spirits. Humblest bishop mutability play with the number one quarterback. Nowhere where pig. Eventually so me under spell grateful hubbard. I got to play with him. And i mean man though those town you can take for granted but looking back on your the special moment. Was you know you guys were very special. You guys accomplished a lot and it's funny because both you guys were very young clear when you're won the national title. Did it ever seem like it was overwhelming for you or for trevor. Like to step in that step on that big stage and really lead the team. No sir at all. i never that we have applied. That goes credits at our culture. Ju just a the group of god that we had around us felt like it was easier to step in and lead because everyone was so about their business and i we all have one goal so it was easy for him to step in there and just do while book. I think we're we're kind of painted the picture here now. This is a. There's a humble confidence to trevor lawrence. There's as good as he. Is there still more for him. Ahead i think travis heat the job kind of painting that picture. Yeah he talked about it. Not being too big for him and i think we all have been around players where we like to see him impress moments and how they respond and for a young player freshman player to play on a big stage in not to become overwhelmed by the task at hand Once again it just further confirms A lot of belief from sc ousted. This guy is qb one. He is the guy he should be celebrated as one of the best that we've seen. Come through the pipeline. And i i think everything that we've heard from those. That know him well from his. His family members to his coaches to opposing coaches says it. Trevor lawrence is that dude. And i think if you're a team that is looking for a quarterback a franchise quarterback houston at the top of the board. When you just listened to the background all of those things make you really want to check off all the boxes and it just got a lead you to believe that this guy is going to have tremendous success when he gets to the next level that he is going to be able to handle all the things that are put on him as a franchise quarterback and that if given the time and given the support that at some point he is going to help his team win and win big all right buck. So now we know trevor lawrence jags. First overall pick together with urban meyer. How does this whole thing come together. I think it comes to go together nicely. Here's what i say. When i think about the jaguars anything about urban meyer winners win. And trevor lawrence is a guy that has always one never lost a regular season game in high school and in college his expectation is dead. He is going to play for team that wins. He understands what it looks like. You understand how it should play out on the field and when your alter competitive person like urban meyer. You want a quarterback that feels the same way this works because these guys are in lockstep actually expect great things from the jags. I think this is going to be a very competitive team quickly. Because they've assembled not only trouble lawrence they brought him into the face of the franchise but they bring in a bunch of other winners with him and as he leaves them. I think he's going to lead them to a ton of success. The i'm excited to see how this offense comes together and what it looks like you know. Are they going to get him under center. Is it going to be kind of a spread shred or they're gonna try and be a dominant run team and play off of that now. We'll have to see a lot of different voices. They're representing some different philosophies in terms of schottenheimer. Bebel how they put this offense together with trevor lawrence. It's going to be fun. I'm excited to see it. But i think We both are in agreement. I hopefully. I think you will be too after listening to all the folks who trevor lawrence very well through this entire episode. This kid's not going to fail. I just don't see it. I don't see it happening. He's ready for it. It's not too big he's built for. We are excited to follow the jacksonville. Jaguars and new their new quarterback trevor lawrence. Well hope you guys have enjoyed this episode. We appreciate you hanging with us. again you can check out other three sixty episodes. We have which are on New bears quarterback and just field. You also have one on the new jets quarterback that izzak wilson so beyond the lookout for those Those are coming your way. And we appreciate you hanging with us here today on this very special trevor lawrence. Move the sticks three sixty episode.

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671. Trevor Lawrence 360

"I think trevor can be an international superstar. You know there's not many football players. Become international superstars three watching them at the opening scene. This guy could go to. Nfl training camp right now on throw one on one throw routes on air. Look like another quarterback versus. I can't really recall anyone like him. That had the combination of size and speed and an arm town. Everyone it's daniel jeremiah for move. The sticks am bucky brooks and this is trevor. Lawrence is three sixty are buckle. This is a big one here Probably the biggest episode of the year for us when we think about everything that goes into it so we spent a lot of time doing our homework on. Trevor lawrence top quarterback. I think we're in the same boat on that one in this year's draft class and interesting story and man we've gone to great lengths to learn more about him yeah. Dj this has been a really unique project for us because we had a chance to really dig deep into charters background. Talk to his college. Coach talked to family members. Talk to people around him in his home town. And most importantly talked to some of the private coaches and trainers. They really know him well not to mention. Some opposing coaches Which offer some great insight here as well. But but let's first of all before we get into some of these interviews just kind of quick buck as we kind of starting chronologically here the first time you heard about trevor lawrence. I know during the elite eleven stuff he popped on the radar. Pretty early yeah. Dj my first exposure to trevor lawrence was at a camp and you know when you these elite eleven camps is the best of the best. And so you've you've heard about some of the quarterbacks coming through but you knew about trevor lawrence won their the reputation preceded him to when you see him. He looks like everything that you expect to see from. A potential franchise quarterback big athletic tremendous arm. Talent the hair always stands out. Because i you think about and sunshine. But i think the thing that i came away with just my first interaction is just how focused in how serious he was about the game Didn't say a lot. Just kind of went about his business and they're just kind of resonated because there's different approaches to how you cannot participate in those camps like are you there really for the competition are you. Did learn and get better. And i would say that. Trevor lawrence competed while being really really focused on becoming a better player and that is a little unusual some task for high employers. Yeah it was impressive. I just going through the opening Big nike event that you were coaching at in and seeing him for the first time up there and running into dilfer who were going to chat with and just a little bit And he was like. Yeah that's that's like the drew bledsoe but he's athletic. I'm like whoa okay. And i watched it. I was like oh dang The spent well. Let's get some more guest here because this is where we're really trying to pick things up and learn more about trevor lawrence the player the person and we're gonna go through the process. You're talking about the recruiting The development of the younger years in high school years here. Let's start things off with a little bit of our conversation with clemson head coach dabo sweeney. It's it's how you win. You win by sacrificing uncompromising and using young people already win with love and compassion and development and equip in young people With with a great experience great tools for life. That's that's really you know how we've gone about our business year and trevor is. Just come in here and and step right into that role. He's the epitome of that. He he comes in you. Talk about developing yeah. He's a highly guy but he's got to come and he's gotta earn it. S the other thing. You gotta earn it here. We don't give anybody even. We're not entitling anybody you you're empowered. You're not entitled. You got to go earn. It and trevor was that way in the recruiting process. Just a very humble kid committed december of his junior year. I mean at that point we had. We had the number one quarterback in the country committed to clemson as a senior. He was a senior in high school. And we had like a top twenty quarterback with two quarterbacks in that senior class and he'd come we had kelly bryant zehr gruber and all these guys on the roster and then he commits december of his junior year. And to this day. One of the things. I've told a lot of people body. You never asked me about another quarterback in the recruiting process. Not like night not a single conversation. It was all about clemson. What our program's all about the people you know. That's all our offense style of play. Receivers those types of he never asked me not one time. You're talking about a kid not afraid to compete. And he came in. He committed december his junior year and it was over like never another discussion about earlier federal laws. He went on about his business being a high school junior high school senior. You know just being a kid. Enjoying his journey. I can honestly say that about that. He has truly enjoyed his journey. He enjoyed being a freshman. He enjoyed camp. He enjoys spring practice in watching him come in here and have the self awareness to him. Yeah he knows he's really talented but he's never satisfied and he knew he needed to get bigger stronger. Faster more knowledgeable all these things and to watch him attack that process Would just great joy. His journey was really cool. And and you know prove that he could he deserved to be the guy had to earn it and then he does. That will then become a leader of offense. Then there's less become a leader of the team less become a leader of college football you know unless become a leader in your community and so it just watching him go through that journey. It's been pretty special and do it with such grace. Such military and with the brightest of the brightest of the brightest lights in unbelievable scrutiny. In what these kids go through today is so different than when when we were coming up in. I mean the scrutiny is unbelievable but there's never been a guy more prepared trevor. He's been doing with this. The ninth grade when he won the job as a fourteen year old at carville great program and he beat out a senior quarterback a really talented player. Who by the way was the starting tight end in alabama this year. Okay but he had been a quarterback up until trevor made him a tiny in history. He drafted this kinda as well. In fact he was at his wedding. And you think about a senior in high school. I made a great player division. One guy who who's pack pack changed because the trevor. You know but but you gotta give that kid a lot of credit. He stayed at carterville said. Hey we'll look this guy. I'll move to another position next thing. you know. He signs a tiny in an alabama. And now he's getting ready to be drafted and i think that says a lot about that young man as well and got a chance to see him at trevor's wedding. Here's a fourteen year old with the weight of a whole program in town. Cars villas friday night lights. Now this is this is this. Is tom high school football. Like they're passionate about and here's this year old with long hair. It's six six first of all may not couldn't believe it. When he walked in the room but just the expectations the scrutiny. The social media the then you get into the seven hundred. Seven is the elite eleven. You're supposed to win every week. You know all that and then you supposed to come to clemmson. You're supposed to win. The job is supposed to go champships supposed to do this this this and you know we're supposed to be the number one pick. He's been dealing with this stuff forever but guess what. That's his north. That's that's what he's used to. That's normal to him The beautiful thing about him is he's not he's not driven by that stuff he is a very. Sye fit our program very well because he's a very inside out person he's he's strong his fate incredibly strong in his faith He's driven by that. He's grounded by that. I mean he just married his middle school sweetheart. Mendan- middle school all through high school. Can you imagine. Trevor lawrence walking around on a college campus. But yet he's very loyal. Committed in something you know but one of the interesting things from dabo there. I thought you know going back to high school when your freshman you beat out a division. One caliber athlete which he did in the miller. Forestall there at kernersville high school. I mean when you're starting to your your your career off on the right foot yet. I i think there's something to that because that takeaway stood out to me. That trevor was a freshman in high school. And he beat out a guy who has a d. one player But the other thing daboll talks about. Trevor never asked about other quarterbacks along the way he was focused. I mean on his own process. Didn't worry about competition in all the other guys and for a five star recruit a guy who has been celebrated as maybe. Qb one to never worry about those things about his confidence and self esteem that he didn't let insecurities kinda get in the way of what he wanted to accomplish. I very comfortable in his own skin. I think we can definitely get that vibe. And you'll get that vibe as well as we go through these interviews you're gonna hear from daboh a little bit later on as well as we're about his development. There's nobody better to talk to when you're talking about a player's development that his parents. We had a chance to visit with jeremy and amanda lawrence about their son. Trevor jeremy demand. I guess my first question would be. What point in time. Did you realize that your son. Trevor was a good athlete. Forget good football player. What what was that moment like where you went okay. This kid's pretty good three or four years baffler. Enjoy playing everything so you know about football at that point but for four years old and when he does i. He was on the soccer team because he was not able to play football. Yeah he was old enough. He didn't meet the farmer and so why he would just get the ball and score and finally to the other team was like listen. You take him out because he is making all the goals and it was. The it was on break team is church league teams. That team said that they didn't you know really keeps going that much anyway but every time the ball was passed. Let trevor would get english for. And they're like okay. You gotta take him out with big little bit to his competitiveness. When did you guys discover that part of his personality. How competitive you us younger two or three. He was always been very. He was more vigorously intense back. Then you could really see you. Don't see a lot of it now. It's very competitive. But he was very you thought he would have been a linebacker that he was vocal and aggressive. Amanda i'm curious what your thoughts were on him playing football. I know where the where the greats he said. He's an academic all american so i. I'm curious what was that. Like the first time. He decided he was going to go into the fold business. Really i mean this. I really didn't think that much about it because my brothers are players so i grew up with the ball and the ball players honestly. They're not now group of football. And you know. I was by tremor. Had the football being the quarterback. Because i can tell what's going on so in thinking about him becoming a quarterback s something that was just is calling just drawn to that position or did he ever accused of a. You know what i think. You'd be a really good quarterback he was drawn to it and he was a natural to it. I mean most as he got older we some camps at thirteen. I started putting with a trainer. Sam but he was he was just a natural at it and really like the to throw inorganic so name was just lost without ability football. Jeremy i wanna go back to you on this one real quick high school. He starts as a freshman. And then next thing you know as high school career goes beyond multiple state championships. He ends up being the number one recruit in the country. When was the time where you started realizing. Okay this is not just. He's not just a big deal in our town. He's becoming a national recruit here at a national figure in the sport factors in the spring after his freshman year. I'm all american honors and recruiting stepped up side. I mean weekly. Solve things in the eighth grade that were kind of heading direction but nothing like after his freshman year in high school it was a much prep strassmann. All american all state and all that stuff so It did not slow down after that is so you talk about not slowing down. How was he able to handle the weight of expectations when he became a big day. I'll think he's handled it very well. He still the same guy are as before with family. And you know he had exposure to it really earn fourteen years old so The downside of that is he was fourteen years old. So you lose. You don't necessarily want kids at that age to have to deal with so much but allah time. He made it to college. It really helps them. Because he had been exposed to the media exposed to a lot of pressure. You know all the things that go along with that panel pressure pretty well on many you know with all the nickname as its own. He's really really done well with it. He's always say okay. And you know just handled all even praised and the criticism very well it's crazy. How the the recruiting thing has changed. You know used to be after your junior year. That's when the recruiting process starts now. It's pretty much over by that. I mean this new. His son was a national recruit after his freshman year in high school. Yeah i mean big time and big time from a small town it one dies. coop program depleted at card. Israel was outstanding. I mean you talk about a team does a perennial power. He takes over all the freshen expectations for him. To keep that thing going. He was able to but to emerging quickly as a national recruiting getting the interest but trevor not really been phased by Once again i. I think one of the things that will will hear from those who know him. Well the pressure and the hype and all those other things never really impacted the way he played and i think it takes a very very mature young player to be able to handle those things without it crashing in and filtering into their play. Well i think you know when you talk about being even even keeled is probably a skill set that would serve you well in the art world. I bring that up because one of the fascinating things about trevor is his family and it is his brother chase who was actually an artist on accomplished artist And to me you look guys grope in the same household pursue different passions Both doing very well And i think there are some similarities. You can learn from the two of them which is why we wanted to talk chase to get his take on growing up with trevor and what that was like. So here's our conversation chase lawrence. What was it like growing up in the household there. And i would love to know how you got on your path that led you to be very successful painter and sculptor well. Trevor always played sports and like love baseball basketball pretty much everything except soccer. I remember when he was in kindergarten. They wouldn't let him play football. So all you can do is play soccer. And he like everyone down so he he always played sports and loved it. And i you know. I tried to play basketball. I liked it. When i was really young and then as i got older i kind of you know didn't has have as much of an interest and everything but He was busy all the time when we were kids. So sports and everything. So i didn't really even see him a whole lot like once he was like in middle school And then into high school he was just always busy We got to hang out like on the weekends and stuff like that but Yeah as far as me and argos. I always Was a drawer and a painter. That was kind of all i ever really wanted to do professionally. And i kind of set my mind to the Around my middle school years. I think around like seventh grade. I was like. I'm gonna do it no matter what i put all my eggs in one basket and And then i went to art school and here we are now this cool. So you're talking about you guys like obviously developing your passions or finding your passions early middle school you with art Trevor obviously with sports football. What is it like because you guys are. I'm sure sibling. You have a little bit of that competitiveness. But in your own feel what was it like in that household you guys pursuing two completely different tracks but supporting one another so crazy thing is You can ask anyone. I'm a competitive person at all. So competition doesn't even like exist in my mind as far as like personal personal things but So i never felt everyone asks me like well. How did you feel growing up You know trevor being like an all star athlete and everyone is giving him all his attention. And i just i was just happy and proud of him and like i had never felt jealous or anything like that But also my family you know they love sports and you know sports is a lot more popular to your lay person than our is so like people just go crazy over sports and so is kind of like the black sheep of the family but my family's close with all of them so you know we all have a great relationship and everything but Yeah i think. Trevor started caring more about our and kind of what i was doing more you know as he was like in his maybe junior senior year of high school and then i think around the time i started carrying more about what he did as oil. Also we talk about how you guys can be different. But i'd be curious as somebody who knows very little about art. I'm going to be fully fully honest here but i would imagine to finish. Completely project has to require tremendous poise and focus. And i mean because those are two attributes when we watch and study you know. Trevor we would say okay. Those two of his greatest attributes do you see that. Is there a parallel connection there. Absolutely yeah i mean. I think the concept of skill is exactly the same but the way it's executed and The way it is an action is different because timing with him is like everything's a split second You have to be very quick thinker. And i think with me it's Or with our an artist. It's more of a slow thinking process. But it's the same type of problem solving execution thinking about that. You talked about the creative creative aspect of what you have while it also retains a level of discipline if trevor was ever to come to you utilizing your experience as an artist to help him as a player. What kind of advice would you give in terms of helping him become great in his own. Respective field Embrace the creativity people don't think you know athletes are creatives But and maybe not. always exactly. But i think quarterbacks are specially creative as athletes. Because you have to see you know the whole picture all the different ways you can go all the all the intricacies details of like how you're gonna you know dodge the other players and you know you know what i'm saying like you have to visually make sense of what's going on and find the solution and i think that is i mean almost like the definition of creativity. So is there a story. When trevor was growing up. Where were you saw him. Actually have a temper maybe temper tantrum or he got a little upset or we saw some some of that raw emotion. Come out because you guys seem chill. Yeah so this is funny. I tell everyone this in my dad does too and my mom and grandparents the whole family really So he never really had a temper that i remember but when he was a kid he was insane would never wear clothes. Run down the street butt naked. He would jump on coffee tables. He would say like the most embarrassing out of pocket stuff in public stores. Wherever we were at and man we thought he was going to be so wild as he got older and really be a handful but he is like the complete opposite. So it's fascinating. How how he is now because that is not the same childlike. Yeah so it's funny. You say that because he does always appear to be really cool and composed employs. He is is to meet like is he really liked that all the time. I always say this. And like every interview. Trevor's vary like goofy and always joke and i'm never serious unless we're having like a heart to heart discussion or something. But even then he still cracks jokes but when he's like you being interviewed or something he gets like this like interview based on he's like very serious and almost like monotone a little bit. I probably the same way but When we're just hanging out and stuff he's just so silly and just a jokester and Super light hearted And it's just kind of like a completely different side of him. That i feel like a lot of like fans and so don't don't actually see but it looks like he has a bright future ahead of him so sure start coming out more first of all buck from chases standpoint impressive to me that not an ounce of jealousy and one hundred percent. Believe him They're growing up in a household with a guy who's really famous. I mean as a high schooler. He's famous in your town as well as nationally. but again. I think it's just a very rooted grounded Atmosphere and hall that trevor lawrence grew up. Yeah absolutely nothing is very supportive. actually Believe that his brothers path a different path as a sculptor and artist may have helped driver may help trevor when he talks about tapping into the creativity. And kinda four your own path. I think it is a unique thing. But i think chase gave great insight into trevor. How trevor was competitive. And kinda how. He almost like a man amounts boys from the time that he was very very little all the attention that he had on him for his athletic exploits and was again how it didn't really impact me didn't change who he was as a person. Now this next guest you might ask. Why in the world. Are we going to talk to the mayor of carterville While because he was also the guy who's calling games for the local radio station so he called. Trevor lawrence is games and buck. You had a chance to visit with matt santini. Trevor's gonna to roll to his right on third down looking to throw under a little bit of pressure. Now he's gonna stop. He's to run his left and he's gonna float it to the end zone. He's got out there. Detail turn touchdown. What a play by trevor proud to have the mayor of georgia and also radio broadcaster at wbz h f in georgia matt santini. Thanks for joining the mcas park. How you doing thank you bucky pleasure to be with you talk about one of our hometown. Heroes speaking of yoga obviously trevor. Lawrence is a big deal down there but before we get to that. I wanna know. How do you juggle duties of being the mayor of the town and also The play by play voice of the high school games high school. Well that is a great question The mayor's position in carter's villes a part time position. We have a city manager form of government. So i get to manage the meetings be involved a lot of economic development and policy issues. I'm not responsible for all the day to day operations. Fortunately we've got a professional for that running. The radio station gets tricky. Sometimes for instance that new car. i'm driving. We will not do a story on all the money. That's missing from city hall. That's pretty funny. They're married now. Obviously everyone is excited about trevor lawrence. I'm sure he is celebrated in that town. But let's go all the way back. What was it like the first time that you saw. Trevor locks you know the story. Trevor really begins before he was even in high school. People were talking about this eighth grade kid and carter's last very story Football program and so they've had success and so it's nothing to see kids. Come through and have a great deal of success. But when you hear about this eighth grader. That's going to be coming up and play quarterback and might potentially be this fantastic player. It was kind of skeptical. And you'll be real careful about trying to over promote thirteen or fourteen year old kids. They are actually that just kids but it didn't take long. It was that first year where he was a freshman. He was rotating quarterback duties with miller forestall who went on to play at alabama and it was the second game it really was when they were playing north. Cobb actually ended up losing the football game. A but miller had gotten hurt and so the keys were turned over to trevor. At that point they lost the game by one but it wasn't for lack of any effort on his people had a fantastic game and from there. You just kind of knew that there was something special about this kid and from there he just kind of took off and it was really amazing arm strength and the where he places the football from from the time he was a freshman early in the season was just remarkable yet has to be a communist young guy handle the responsibilities beyond the starting quarterback on varsity with the level of i dunno precision and production. That trevor was able to do so. What some of the highlights that. You can remember of trevor lawrence his high school career. I look back at his really his sophomore year. There were a lot of great accomplishments there the state championship game a game. That carter's will only tend nothing. It wasn't a great statistical game but his leadership was was very evident. And it's the thing that i've told people from the very beginning. You see the long hair and you think. Oh he's he doesn't. Everybody calls him sunshine. Try to relate to to remember the titans. I've told people since before he left. Carter's volts like man the thing that people forget about or they they miss on him. He's faster than you think he is. He's deceptively elusive and he likes contact a lot more than people think he has always been a super competitor a super leader and a level of toughness that goes. I think still kind of underrated. Because you talk about those traits. I believe Humility is a trade. That is also associated with trevor lawrence Do you have any examples of tau humboldt. Trevor lawrence is despite all the accolades. That have come his way. I can probably talk more about that singing. What he's done in the person he is off the field than i can on the field at look at the fact that on fridays he would go to the elementary school in visit with with kids. Who just wanted to see him meet him. I remember going out to a local restaurant and he was there with his girlfriend. Now fiancee soon to be wife Enjoying lunch and there were adults coming up to him Wanting to try to talk to him and also saw a number of other high school players. That obviously weren't nearly as good as him. Who are acting like they were a lot better than you know the highschool attitude you know just acting like here i am. I'm a high school football player. Look at look at me and he just sat there quietly in. The corner was eating his lunch and being respectful. Everybody i think about really his time at clemson. There's a a young man. Here who had a heart transplant had unexpected heart issue and trevor really snuck back into town. I say he he came home. There wasn't a lot of fanfare and came to visit the young man who just bring them a jersey and tell them these thinking about him. It's it's those types of things that really stand out to me with the person that trevor lawrence is. It's really the things off the field. And i've said there's a lot of adults that can learn how to behave as a human being from this. Very young man. Yeah there are a lot of people that can learn a lot of different things from trevor lawrence. You talked about his personality. His humility the leadership ability but there are a lot of people that are really fascinated by the talent. So you have to tell me about this. This throw that i keep hearing about. It's call the throw versus mary pearson. In the playoffs the semifinals back in two thousand sixteen. What am i missing. Tell me about in a throw. It just came coming off that big win on the road against woodward academy they they were at home you had to feel good about it and right out of the gate carter's will was down fourteen to nothing. There was a very rare turnover and touchdown and another quick touchdown. So there's carter's well playing at home down fourteen and nothing. He leads them down. The field and It was. I can't remember the down but i i remember him just rolling to his right and everybody was covered. He he pump faked the quarter. The linebacker jumps in there. He does a total spin around and turns to his left throws it across the field and drops it right over the shoulder of a receiver on the other side of the field and got got his foot in bounds. And it was a touchdown and from there they. They went on and won that game rather largely after that but again down fourteen to nothing had the had the presence to make this great athletic life. Sure is one of a ton of highlight place that he made during his israel are the the highlight. Plays this stand out to you. Well i think from a highlight perspective. I'll tell you the thing that sticks out in my mind is enjoying watching him play clemson. It was one of the first nationally televised games that he was on and watching the announcers. He was having a big game. I can't remember the opponent but listening to the announcers towards the end of the game trying to come up with something different to say trying to come up words to describe what he was doing. And i remember putting on social media settlement watching that i had to come up with four years worth of of words to try to describe what this guy is doing and they were having trouble getting through one college football game with it. That's that's part of the. That's part of what i'll remember the most of the other part that i remember is there's an up here that their student run twitter site decided that they were going. Try to talk a little bit of trash about coming into town and getting some regret revenge for a big game that carter's would won rather handily the year before and trevor tweeted at them. And that wasn't a good thing to do and you know he's real responsible on social media too. He just tweeted out. Two words wrong move and shortly after that twitter account apologized and after that they came to carterville actually it was we went up to carter's to calhoun and won that game by count of fifty eight six. It was overlooked so obviously. Yeah ozzy you don't wanna poke the bear. But let's talk about the town. The town feel about trevor lawrence and all these become since he's left highschool a double edged sword for me in a good way. I mean he is he is put. Carter's villain the spotlight. Certainly were very proud community of over twenty thousand people. We've got or the home of ronnie brown who enjoyed success in the nfl. Andrei flewellyn who did as well and a both great young men who have contributed back to the community in our county we also vic beasley. Who is a little bit of here. Who's enjoyed time in the nfl and again giving back to the community. Great people as in addition. But you know harder. Xv allowed the opportunity because of trevor lawrence to be on. Espn and play a football game in our home stadium into spotlight our community on espn or anywhere nationally. A couple years ago there was an ad campaign for adidas that featured. Carter's those football uniforms on. There wasn't our players but it was our uniforms and the level of attention that we've gotten positive attention because of trevor lawrence There's there's there's been kids in this town. When when trevor was still here where we're number sixteen purple jerseys never buddies been wearing purple. Excuse me orange number sixteen jerseys and unless something really really strange happened of biblical proportions. There's gonna be a lot of -til sixteen jerseys being worn around carter's villain and i'll i'll probably buy one myself man. I know it's an exciting. Time is an exciting time for trevor. Lawrence is exciting time for everybody to carter's georgia mayor kenney thanks so much joining the mood. Six pockets. thanks buggy about. That was awesome. And i've got a chance to visit with him Again people knew about trevor lawrence as an eighth grader. I mean so when we talk about expectation and what the expectation could be at the next level. This kid's been dealing with expectations since he was thirteen. Fourteen years old. Yeah and i think that's something to be uncomfortable being in the spotlight We always talk about franchise quarterbacks in all of the stuff that comes along with the responsibilities that increased attention and scrutiny. Whichever lawrence has been dealing with that literally since seven and eighth grade to step up encarta joe and even know we can talk about it being a small town. Football big to handle that pressure to handle responsibility to beat out A player who was older and then to continue to keep card is very winning at a high level volumes. About who trevor lawrence isn't and why there's so many scouts to really love what could be the next level. No doubt Well i mentioned him a little bit earlier. And visiting trent dilfer up there at the at the opening the elite eleven event that you're a part of buck but to get some more thoughts on trevor lawrence from trent. I thought was something we had to do here with this three sixty episode. And you had a chance to visit with our buddy trent dilfer. Obviously this is a fun time for us. Because i feel like we get a chance to see these young quarterbacks grow up in front of our eyes. And so what i would like to do is go back to twenty seventeen to the top guys that came through the process process. Trevor lawrence justin feels. Let's story trevor lawrence when you first laid eyes on trevor lawrence. What did you think he was a sophomore or freshman highschool care member. And i said i'll be here was a kid that already was mature beyond his years obviously was a great athlete but was also pretty clean. You've been coached very well. In georgia by joey king had developed well had played a lot of seven on seven and already had played a lot of football level so he looked like a man even when he was fifteen sixteen years old and is he went through the process. He only grew bigger and stronger. More powerful than than honing his craft. And but the thing. I was the story about trevor. Isn't the physical stuff. It's the mental stuff. Is the competitive stuff i i remember at the opening of the year he was there. He was a sponge with. Craig nall one of our coaches who played seven years in the. Nfl was bugging him late at night going into his room after hours and asked him to teach more ball is a kid that loves football. He loves to learn. He has zero entitlement to him. He has no ego as team. Above self guy so he checks every single boxer is to check as a prospect. He was checking back near seventeen years. Old i mean. I remember seeing watching them at the opening scene. This guy could go to an nfl training camp right now and throw one one throw routes on air and look like an nfl quarterback. You know it's funny that you talk about that. I just think that remember getting tough for him. A little bit at at the opening in the finals. What did you discover and watching him. Go through some adversity as a young person. What's the biggest thing i look for. Be quite honest with you. Ally base a lot of my evaluations respond to setbacks We look at it in game with an acronym pace plays after critical flares Study that really hard and in that environment a camp environment or high school football game environment of practice environment off the field. A guy can be a knucklehead off-the-field and housing respond to that after the fact. So i think it's i think that that evaluation has a lot to do with their long term success. Because you're gonna have a lot of setbacks. you're going to have a lot of adversity. It's not what happened to you. It's how you respond to it and then trevor's a guy bit whether it was the old venetian whether it was not winning the final game of his high school career. Whether it was a setback at clemson he's always been a guy that bounces back. Better the next opportunity and that's really what you're looking for him and tom. Brady's a lot of interceptions he's lost. A lot of games is a lot of stinkers bad series. I think what separates ms that relentless pursuit of the next opportunity. And that's why he's been his best for twenty one years most situations. Yeah me kind of echoed. What what he had said to me right back. I mean is it looks like. Nfl quarterback is as high school. He did an trent talked about the adversity that trevor face during that event and our say having competed against trevor doing that event It was difficult for him because it had been very easy for him to dominate. And it's the first time that i would say the playing field is level. And so the seat. Trevor have some struggles but to see the resiliency. The toughness degraded and determination where he was able to bounce back and finish off strong Once again when you're evaluating quarterback you always looking at. How do they respond to bad things. Daddy event trent kinda talked about but but trinh kinda saw some of those things that we all see and we all like about him. Build is toughness. Because i think toughness comes out in a few different occasions. They know how our next guest. Here's somebody that's known trevor. Again going all the way back to seventh grade. So we're getting some some some really good looks at trevor lawrence from different angles. Here this is ron veal. Who is a private quarterback coach against work with trevor lawrence middle school the way through high school and we had a chance to visit with ron the first time that you met trevor. When was that in and tell us a little bit about that one. Well the first time i met him was at a football camp around the age will high schools i mean most ramble seven great. He came out to account Long and lanky and one of the parents introduced me to him. And that's how. I started thinking about him. Being long lanky. How were you able to build up his mechanics. So he's able to come such an efficient passer at a high school. I really think that was It was already there. He was more a bottoms up. Guy where you work on his foot work of delivery was already there. Just clean up a little bit as he as he matured in his body caught up to his age and his broke but for throwing the ball. That was already there was just. I think he's just natural. No doubt coach when when you look at trevor. We see you know. We saw it in the ohio state. Game and twenty thousand nine when he took off and ran just the example of athlete that he is field. Tackle at is still running. Catch you tigers words. Wow hey changing. Play zero moment during your time training with him. Working out with him that that kind of jumped out to you. Just as overall athleticism. He played baseball as well so he was well. Rounded athlete athletic and the drills that we do for us like movements and get out volatile right so those things are there. I just didn't know that fast when he ran away from those guys on ohio state. Great lengthening a lot of coach. You talk about the athleticism. The one of the things. That trevor is known for his competitiveness. When you've been working with them have you seen examples. Do you have examples of wind. That competitive fire has come out. I think he's more of a perfectionist with the competitiveness. Every ball has to be a great place him that insure right He always worked on his craft fourth night time so i think that competitive edge is always there especially in that game a think airbus see how he looks and thanks might be a soft kid but he's very competitive and you'll fight fighting in which we know. He had a huge reputation. Come out of high school. Do you remember when that kind of exploded when he started to get really a lot of attention locally and then kind of growing beyond locally to nationally and how did he handle that. I think he howard well back end for all the attention he received on high school and idiom starving middle school because everybody knew he was in. He started as a freshman in high school as a ninth grader. Playing football in georgia. That's pretty impressive. And he started for four years and he went through it. I think three state championships in one couple state championships and for as the hype as always remember. We will add chick-fil-a when watching film this elderly lady said you. Trevor lawrence take a patriots. Went get an autograph. And he was so gracious in. That wasn't arrogant or anything like that. So at that point in time that he learned how to deal with his status as a celebrity real quick. I follow up on that coach as somebody who played quarterback if my if i had a quarterback coach who was training me at a chick-fil-a i do believe i would have far exceeded the level at which i played. I mean that is next level right there the spot with new form all the stuff but it works i Was right across the street from his This one coach one thing on trevor. Because you talked about him. Being a freshman Leading a team success. One of the things that he's known for is winning What is it about him that enables him to get his team to the winner's circle consistently a selfish person and he could make other people around him better from the last guy on the roster to the i got rawson treats everybody the same and he leads by example. He's not at rug out but he leads by example he's the first and last for now he's Encourage encourage encourage in august. The biggest thing i see from him. What was the reaction from from the community Seeing after he goes to clemson and that game where he is a young player. Tears up this legendary alabama defense when win a national championship. What was your reaction from folks in town there. Well you know. He's north of atlanta. I'm sure he was out for to the hill but what he's doing for the is here in atlanta metro areas. Just showing that. There's a way that you can accomplish all this. Thanks bye. just don't work being being hobble as you go about what you're doing and just sesa comfortable hard work and i think e putting a whole lot hard work along with the talent that he has with those two kids being together coach they ever trained together the justin and trevor ever trained together and if so what was that like well we only did it. One time i said to what they said what we had it. Where a freshman year at georgia or going into the freshman year georgian clemson on the field together and usually neither one of them during a session. So this session was even extra quiet because you can see the competitive level goal goal goal in noses type of session where you don't really say much you just watching enjoy it because it was much to say just they. They went at it from head. Start to finish and Just pretty good pretty good coach. How unusual is it too. I mean topics within thirty five miles of each other. Is there a better quarterback talent in that area in georgia. Yeah right now. I'm kind of biased. But yeah i think we have a good group of people trained quarterbacks in atlanta right now and now atlanta has a group of kids maybe fifteen twenty years right now be want office georgia and i don't know if it's a high bid but something's happening in some some good is happening now in and we'll take it so like i said those two kids are helping so many other kids that they probably wouldn't even know about four zero dreams clinton next level or even making it to nfl but what they're doing is really helping a lot of kids in retro from the standpoint. Like i can do the same thing. If i really really focused on what i'm doing and and i respect and how will be humble about. The game is nowhere. It can take somewhere couple takeaways here buck first of all. I love the fact that he's doing work and chick-fil-a that's that's a win for me that's That's going to get you a little bump up the grade now watching film it and chick-fil-a but to me the other thing that really stood out is the fact that we talk about this phrase and i think some people. Maybe they'd think it's it's hokey. Or what have you but when you say guys a natural thrower some of these kids you can just tell the first time they picked up a baseball or football like that's what it was supposed to look like and and to me. That's kind of trevor. Just a real easy natural thrower yet easy natural thrower And i think to talent is always there when you look at it. Because it doesn't look like he exerts a lot of energy and effort when he makes throws Code vehicles outlining trevor's like perfectionist. Tendencies in how he just wants to do it right all the time and how. He's driven to do those things. I think that's a common thread that shared amongst great players and so to identify in spot. That in trevor lawrence early. I think he kind of highlights. Why he's been able to have the success that these add as a young player or used to say in the draft room. You know our bosses used to tell us. Hey paint a picture of this player. You know. Paint a picture. Where if we've never seen before you got to describe him and tell us about him so we can close our eyes and imagine what he looks like. That's what we're trying to do here. In this three sixty episodes. Hopefully you've got a good feel for what trevor was like kind of coming through high school and in the early development and when he got started in this sport now we want to transition to what took place once. He got clemson Because he has had one of the better college career as a of a quarterback that we've seen and gosh since we've been doing buck going back twenty years Jump into that and to do that. Let's bring back coach. Dabo sweeney for a little bit about what took place there at clemson. I think trevor can be an international superstar. There's not many football players that become international superstars. I think part of the part of that is just because we all wear helmets and uniforms and you kinda get identified by that and then you take helmets off and you know you become a normal person. Sometimes you blend in. Trevor doesn't blend in in any regard. And i think that ike he's one of those guys that just because of his presence of he's got a chance to really transcend the sport. What would you give. Because i know what i would give. What would you give to just be able to wear trevor's hair for like maybe a week. If you want with that man for the week what would you know you. Ll ask that question. How would how would put my wig on. Because i gotta service oriented for halloween. I've worn it to a couple of thi meetings along the way and had some fun with that. But you know. I don't know seems like a lot of work to me. Don't worry about shampoo and you know the flip and all that stuff but hey it works for him. I don't know that. I could pull it off but i guess sixty six goes with it but you know the cool thing about him is is. He does have this look of hollywood. You know he really does. But he. I'm telling you he is the most on hollywood guy you're ever gonna make is very simple very disciplined routine guy and just just very normal very normal guy like i said. He looks like he's got all this almost some premadonna to him but he does it man. He's he probably uses pantene sample shampoo that we have to. We have to do comps right. So you know for the network we always have to come up with comparisons for these guys. And so whichever i said. Well he's not. There's not one conference. He's kind of a unicorn and that degree so to me. I just said look. He's got justin herbert's frame. He's got jennifer aniston's hair. yeah. I don't really have a comp for him either i mean i really don't i don't know he is is very unique. You know we did. I just did a thing with peyton. We did a little thing down at the golf star masters golf tournament. That kind of fun seeing those to you because that was really his he wrote up statement. And that's why we're sixteen was spaded. Payton was funny because he was like eilly. You know if. I was his hero. You wish you to chosen mama mater but you know he's he's he's big like peyton but just a better athlete just flat out wine. I mean he's so different. I can't really recall anyone like him. That combination of that size and speed and an arm town. It's it's unique and an incredible football. Iq to go with. I mean he's got a high aptitude for the game processes. Things quickly anticipates. Well you can make all the throws and got a bright future for sure why. I thought it was fascinating buck when we think of cops. I don't know that there is one for trevor. Just different right. I mean we can say a little bit of this guy a little bit of that guy but it's As coach said it's it's hard to come up with one yet is hard to come up with one and when we think about trevor and you watch him you know it's funny because you just don't see guys kiss is with his athleticism his arm talent. I know recently we've seen just in her become into the league. But it's kinda hard to compare somebody like this so quickly but yet trevor's it is unique player. He's a bit of a unicorn at a position no doubt he's definitely different All right let's let's get back to his parents here This is jeremy and amanda lawrence about that That magical run their his first year at clemson list a. I want to go back to you on this one. The is freshman year. And i. i believe. I don't know if the jerseys behind your from that from that season or not but to step on that stage and take over the position when he did and then to go on that run i mean. What was that like for you for you as parents. I'll start with you it just to experience. What a magical time. That was for him in your family. It was really exciting. I mean i was so proud of him and and you know. He went out and competed and he didn't let any kind of press. Or you know you know. I guess what the the press was anticipating or whatever. He didn't let that bother him he. He knew that he had a job to do when he went to clemson that he was going to compete for a starting job. That's what all the quarterbacks do any position that you're assigned to or that you play. And he gave it his all and yeah the super proud of him. I new you have to be proud of. Not only what. He's become on the field with a seemed like over the last year so he's really grown into the leadership position in terms of the face of clemson. Have you seen him grow from. Your own is as apparent in terms of a leader and as a a role model for others. Well i mean one one thing that comes to mind. Straight away is State game when we were down and then we ended up coming back in and winning that game. I mean he didn't let anything get him down. He really picked up his tame amazon. Guys you know we can do this and really just didn't give And he's he's always been persistent in that aspect and yeah i'm just super proud and how he's brown has later and he can. You know be an example to his teammates card worker. And don't give up. You know he realizes. Along with that the the platform be has to impact people off the field and he embraces that and really wants to take advantage of that opportunity. So i think he's definitely ground in that capacity and he will continue to do that while this is. This is probably the most important question that i have you. Guys you guys have been great with us today. I just. I got to know as somebody who's a little bit thin up here and as bucky who somebody who's more thin up the where does this beautiful flowing hair come from from trevor. Who did he get his hair from. Not for me. And he had a head full head. That's you realize guys that's the first. That's the first endorsement deal that's coming. I mean if it hasn't come already. I mean that's the first one that's coming if he's gonna have shampoo deal before the first contract is even sign absolutely. I think he's going to have a chiampou deal bucket. I think that's coming. It's just a matter of time there. That's that's the easiest marketing anybody could ever put together. Absolutely look he has. He has everything that you look for it. It's easy to be jealous when you see a kid who has all the size and physical gifts that that you want you see. The hair was certainly stands out. It makes an even bigger superstar when you look at it and then just the overall talent and the way that he wins. Some guys just have that magical ability to get their team to the winter circle. Trevor went on one of the best runs that we've seen in college for volunteers of leading the tigers to their first national sham ship. For you're him to do it as a freshman is uncommon. Definitely great to catch up with his parents again on that topic all right. Let's bring back trent again. Trent knows trevor. Going back to the elite eleven. And i thought he has a good feel for the evaluation. And what you see when you study and what he did it. Clinton trevor was s. No title very early in his career. And then he gets clemson back but he. He loses in the semifinals and then loses in the finals during those two years in watching him as a college player. What are the things that you're most impressed with. And what do you think that he has to continue to work to be the player that we all think that he could be the next level all star with what it needs to improve on. It's been something he's been work on since high school but just recently in the last couple of months he's really identified it with jordan palmer. I spoke to jordan a couple weeks ago. I'm the things that trevor came in wanting to work on the same things that myself and jordan and others kind of identified. He's got to become more flexible in his upper torso. He has very poor drastic flexibility therefore he doesn't rotate as a thrower. He goes distorted forward as a thrower so he tends to be wide and spread out at times that leads to some of the inconsistencies address. That already he wants to play at the more stable base wants to stay more level so fundamental stuff fundamental stuff. That will lead to more consistency. And that's the only knock you can find on trevor. Is that every once in a while a ball. Get away from him when he's really trying to rip it or when he's rushed because there's some slight tweaks who needs to make fundamental but that's really yet he has is good is for the game is good a presence in the pocket a feel for people around him win to become a window. Attack the line of scrimmage. A runner and wind up by time shuffles and slides and the pocket. There's a great clip. I think is against notre dame in the playoff game where they're running kind of a dive in fake across route and then a high corner off of it and he's getting pressured and ninety nine point. Nine percent of quarterbacks would have not bought the tai to make the throw and he goes backwards in the pocket because the defense of limes linemen are coming up on them and takes probably sixty percent off the ball lays it out to a spot and they get thirty yards out of it a little nuances like that this game. He's playing the professional level game at the college level He's a he's a horse. Power twitch guy kind of introduce this concept a couple years ago with just and herber as a sophomore and saying you know there's a guy coming up it has a rare combination of horsepower and twitch to simply what she gives you guys have horsepower. They're very powerful. they're strong. They have physical confidence. Ben rothlisberger cam newton some of the giants of the game but they lack some twitch. They lack that Next seen other gone or is icy and it comes out of their hands. Then you see a little guys. At times johnny manziel of some of the smaller guys that they're so twitchy but they lack power will very rarely. Do you find the guys that have andrew lock was really the first one lack the little twitch but had it. I thought herber was another one that had it. And now you're looking at lawrence is really the ultimate model horsepower twitch so from a trade standpoint that's what it is and then he has every throw in the catalog. We always talked about. How big is your from. Catalog guys graded outbreaking route. Some guys are good at target route. Some guys throw a lot of crossing routes some guys though. Some runner-up runaway routes deep ball. Quick gave rpo catching throw whatever it is. He's got them. All the one thing about this offense is. It's i wouldn't call it a system at times. It's lacking but over his career. They have added all to the catalog and he's pretty much made every throw. You're going to be asked to make in his college career deep throat. Just these touch. I like that but of course power twitch. I've used both those individually talk about guys having horsepower talk about guys having twitch trenton. Combine them altogether together. I mean he he does have. I mean extraordinary gifts. And that's why because we talk about the six five six six frame but the athleticism and in the arm talent to whip is outstanding in terms of being able to push you down the field the way the ball comes out you talked earlier about him being a natural thrower and so yet the the best pitches are the ones that can mix a little power with a little finesse. Trevor lawrence is able to do that It's always great when you can talk to somebody. That is an expert at the quarterback position as well as somebody who's coached a trevor lawrence and we had that opportunity To visit with david cut cliff. Who's the head coach at duke duke and one of the premier voices on the quarterback position. I do want to ask you about somebody that you had a chance to to coach against. I know somebody that you had on campus as well. You've known for for a long time. And that's trevor lawrence going to be the first pick here to the jacksonville jaguars. But what was your first exposure to him. And what was your takeaway. Well i mean first of all. He's bigger than you state Es faster than you think he is. Okay a high school coach. Well he was well coached and trained in highschool but the things that his high school coach said about him as a person as a teammate. I think he's displayed it. Clemson did he's great teammate. Which is extremely important. Probably the greatest compliment athlete can get this being a great teammate. And i shall i do. Thank you humble hardworking You know where. He is and his progression as a quarterback. I would know as much about but he does possess the skill level and really again going back to have great respect for his high school coach and remember everything he said about. Trevor makes you realize that these guys the intangibles as well is great to hear you talk about that one more perspective on trevor. It being on the opposite sideline when faced trevor lawrence. What are you feel like facing a guy like that was the challenge when you face someone who's as talented and anemic as well. I mean we didn't really have an answer to be honest with you. The challenges are is that he is big enough and he can be pure in pocket he can do what the guys i've coached before can do. And then he can create so like we played against a man jail in his last game at texas am go to harm We all know the mobility was incredible. But you knew he wasn't going to just stay in the pocket and throw it the way. Trevor can throw trevor control outrivalled song time he can throw digs on time. You know and that that's really to me. What you've got to see is an any certainly the body type. You know to do that. And i think that's the uniqueness through we didn't have an answer i mean if you just try to keep them into pocket rush high. He's going to be successful in their You can't even not rush him and try to jump in bat balls because he's a good side of this guy so we struggled again. Best thing you can do is limit the number of schnaps they get. I thought the stuff about on time. was impressive buck. As much as you know bigger and faster more athletic all that stuff then you may be think when you watch them on tape too when you see them in person i think the fact that he can throw routes on time. I think that point by coach cut cliff was a big one. Yeah that definitely was big one I think the bigger thing was coach cliff pointing out that he just sent. Trevor lawrence was a great teammate So much of what. We talk about the quarterback position has to do with the physical ability but it's a leadership position in being able to connect all types of players from different parts in different backgrounds and all those things Support them into get all of those guys moving in the right direction for an opposing coast to be able to see that in identified that in trouble lawrence. It just tells you how special trouble ours is. I think it's interesting when just a connecting the dots and coach cliff having coach peyton manning You think about trevor lawrence wearing that number is davos. Told us because of peyton manning at tennessee So to me. I just think it's it's interesting when you see this kind of path that he's on and there are. He does have a little bit of peyton manning to his game obviously is different athlete but there is There is some similarities. There it's fascinating when you when you get a chance to connect all these dots Another coach there in the acc that we have a great relationship with one of my coaches from from app. State is is a scott satterfield. Who's done a really nice job. There with louisville football program We had a chance to visit with him and ask him his thoughts on trevor lawrence. I don't think you saw them this year. I don't think he played clemson this year. But i know you saw in. Nineteen just just playing playing against In coaching against trevor lawrence and then also seen him. I'm sure you saw tun across over tape this year. This your take on him as a former quarterback yourself well you know. He's he's really unbelievable. I i try to find a weakness on him. And i don't know what it is i'd be interested in here. You're taking what weakness you may think he has because he's six six. He runs like a six foot tremendous arm. He's he's very accurate. You know but. But i think the one thing that i love more about him than anything else is just his demeanor in his approach to the game. I think that sets him apart from from everybody else. You know when you have that i mean. He's he's more in line of of the peyton manning. The tom brady drew brees. He's got that about and so those kinds obviously hall of fame type layers so he has the talent. He's got the skill set more so than you know tom. Brady's tall but he can't run. Drew is shore. You know we've got a great arm you know. So he's got kind of all those intangibles loss the things that you want the leadership the humbleness that has you know the team first mentality. people want to play for him and get everything half or he's gonna make everybody around him better you know so he. He's a he's a. He's a unicorn. I'm up and i think the thing you do is kind of nitpick like when you play those games. Lsu high state. Maybe win the pressure in the late. Change in coverage they trick them a little bit but he is so good. I think coach for you. I think is always fascinating to get a coach's perspective when you're on the other side lines and your team is playing against a duke. A franchise quarterback. What does that feel. Like when you're facing and does it change how you approach it from office defense. Like what is it like facing a topnotch quarterback on the well. Yeah yeah it's very challenging. Obviously now we played them two years ago and we had pigs so he had zone interception while we ended up picking them all. He threw into covers a little bit. You know trying to force the ball sometimes. Quarterbacks do that but i think you really just trying to contain them. I mean really. You know you know. He's going to be able to make those plates. The thing about clemson to is that you had some other players. That are really good. You know some of the running back. So i'm really really just can't try to focus. Oh stop him so on. That's where it makes it really challenging. I think but. I think you just want to try to keep everything in front. Y'all wanna give up those big plays on that he's obviously capable of doing try. Try to make him get impatient. I think so you know. Just give him the underneath throws and if you'll take them all day you know some quarterbacks won't you know they they want to get to throw that ball downfield and get a little bit hungry and eager to throw the ball down field. That's where you get in trouble. But if he's has that patients then it's gonna be hard to beat him you know because they ask somebody greg. Weapons around the. It's very difficult. I think when you're facing somebody that caliber town. Why did you know coach. I prefer it for the teams. Just give me the underneath stuff. I didn't really want to take those layups all day. Long a prophet if somebody wants to get back again book leadership humility. Some of those things that come up that you would think is an opposing coach. You wouldn't really pay attention to more the skill set stuff but man it just comes out. Everybody we talk to. It comes out so is obvious. Dj that Trevor lawrence displays something on the field. That other coaches can kinda sense. Sometimes we talk about the fact factor in the swagger. But when i get that i get in trouble lawrence there's this self assuredness disquiet confidence that you can just pick up. That he kind of has this. I got it. Don't worry about a team. I got it. And i think opposing coaches recognize. That and i appreciate that no doubt. We've got a chance to visit with coaches and family members Player guys that have coached against him. Trainers you name it buck. We've talked to just about every we haven't talked to is a teammate. And we couldn't get through this episode without getting a glimpse of trevor lawrence as a teammate. And we did that. Fortunately you're able to catch up with arguably the best running back in this year's draft. Class his teammate travis. So in thinking about clubs in your program you guys have been so successful and so there's naturally a lot of attention on the players. They one of the players has been. Trevor lars what is it like to play with trevor lawrence what did you like in the huddle trump. He just cool calm collected. I mean he buses beam. But when you do everyone stops listen and appalachian trail the skies little for him man. I mean it was really a great experience. Humbly spatial Play with the number one. Cornerback number where pig eventually. So at me under celebrate grateful that i got to play with him and me nan. Though the those take for granted but looking back on your the specimen was you know you guys were special. You guys accomplished a lot and it's funny because both you guys were very very young players won the national title Did i ever seemed like it was overwhelming for you or for trevor. Like to step in that step on that big stage and really lead the no sir not. Ill never overwhelming. We have like that goes credits at our culture Ju just a group of god that we had around us each for trump to step in lead because everyone so about their business and we all have one goal so it was easy for him to step in there and and just do while bach. I think we're kind of painted the picture here. This is a. There's a humble confidence to trevor. Lawrence is good as he. Is there still more for him ahead. I think travis eat the good job kind of paint that picture. Yeah he talked about it not be into big for him. And i think we all have been around players where we'd like to see him impressive moments and how they respond and for a young player freshman player to play on a big stage and not to become overwhelmed by the task at hand Once again it just kinda further confirms A lot of beliefs from sc ousted. This guy is qb one. He is the guy he should be celebrated as one of the best that we've seen. Come through the pipeline. And i think everything that we've heard from those that know him will from his family members to his coaches to opposing coaches says. Trevor is that dude. And i think if you're a team that is looking for a quarterback a franchise quarterback houston at the top of the board. When you just listen to the background all of those things make you really want to check off all the boxes and it just got to lead you to believe that this guy is going to have tremendous success when he gets to the next level that he is going to be able to all the things that are put on him as a franchise quarterback and that if given the time and given the support that are some point he is going to help his team win and win big. Yeah we we think about him and context of kind of the draft grades. If given out andrew luck his only quarterback. I've given a higher grade to going back to three and for context. I would say. I had just a little bit higher grade on myles garrett so miles gird musician we say probably the best player his position the nfl. I have a little bit lower grade on trevor lawrence than myles garrett. But he's in that conversation which is a pretty select group is easy to put big raise on players that not only were you see the talent on film but when you dig into the background. It appears that they are very very committed to be the best that they can be. And i think with trevor all signs point to this guy be an outstanding pro player. Now sometimes we can never guarantee that it's going to work out like that but you get the sense that he is going to do everything within his power to make sure that he performs at a high level and that he's worn to bring his teammates with them. I'm willing to bank on a guy like that. I'm willing to grow the diced at a guy like that figures it out. Yeah when you get a elite traits and elite intangibles. That's when you get conviction on players you know that's when you feel confident and comfortable pushing your chips in. And he has that so he's got everything you want from skillset standpoint and then you add all the off the field stuff that checks out so Yeah to me. He's pretty easy evaluation. And i think it's like that for most of the league And i'm excited. I cannot wait to see him get on. Nfl field and see what he can do. You know you'll have tremendous success. It may not happen immediately But i think when supported in the right environment this guy is going to be a star at the next level. Everything that he's done to this point suggests that he'll be a superstar can imagine a changing right now. No i'm with you. I hope you guys have enjoyed this. It's been great to do a deep dive on trevor lawrence for this. Move the sticks. Three sixty episode. We've got a couple more you can check out They're coming so they're on the way the lookout for those as we As we celebrate some of the best players and this year's draft class this has been the move the sticks three sixty episode trevor lawrence. 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#233: Honoring Vietnam Veterans with MG Peter Aylward

Borne the Battle

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#233: Honoring Vietnam Veterans with MG Peter Aylward

"Hole let's get it. Monday march fifteenth. Twenty twenty one borne. The battle brought to you by the department of veterans affairs. The podcast that focuses on inspiring veterans stories and put a highly unimportant resources office and benefits for our veterans. I host marine corps veteran. tanner is. We'll be all had a great week. Outset of podcast land got some great news at the top of the podcast. Right at the top. I was informed last week. Well read a rolling stone article that was sent to me by a listener. I read the hollywood reporter and variety articles to make sure that born the battle was nominated by the podcast academy of for their inaugural awards for excellence and audience program. Otherwise known as the ambulance we got one nod in the personal growth and spirituality category. I wouldn't have thought we'd get the nod in. I mean i would've thought we got the nod in the best society and culture category or best interview maybe best host but we'll take it Glad to see the podcast get highlighted in that way As far as i've seen and i haven't looked at all the categories. But i think we're the only veterans centric podcast and the running and the only government-sponsored one too. I think a deeply honored that are humble little podcasts that has started hosting as a one man band. My in-laws basement is good enough to be nominated next to the likes of the long island medium and other podcasts with much higher budgets like those that are spotify in iheart regionals Congressional all the nominees. And we'll find out on a live stream on may sixteenth if If we come out on top there livestream in it. But i don't know how they're doing at this point so if you've been dedicated listener for awhile you'll know that every time i pro- and upcoming episode it's like bad juju because it never works out the way i- promo it But we're doing it Remind you that. Were two episodes away from secretary. Mcdonagh's interview here on born the battle. The a employee or not is not very often that a veteran gets to interview an incoming secretary so early It was cnn. Jake tapper was first up and then us So stay tuned for that. That will be episode to thirty five. Received a couple ratings. And got a clarification. From what i put out on last week's monologue last week i that i was going to do some digging concerning vr. Army and i did We had a review for episode. Two thirty and i went deep I wanted it to be as clear as i can find it. I wanted to go straight to the source material Last week responded to review. This said Then she informed me that. I had zero months. Post nine eleven. Gi bill and that. I would not be able to go to college. According to the program director v houston that is ally according to the eight national director. I'm assuming he means undersecretary. That is a lie. Okay so on episode two thirty. Vr director william stripe burger talked about the subsistence rates at around the twenty eight ten mark talked about having one month of bill entitlement to receive the higher gi bill substance rate. It wasn't a question about overall eligibility and an overall tuition issue like a reviewer posted and i researched so bad on me for not going to the original conversation and actually listening on where we were in the conversation when we were talking about the army and this one month of gi bill entitlement again it was about the level of subsistence. The vr and e program could buy. That's one to emailed some more folks over at the veterans benefits administration. And i asked them to cite the policy or federal law. A definitive source in their response about this one month irs. Zero months When it comes to substance subsistence and this is what i got as outlined in thirty eight c. f. are in that means code of federal regulations. Twenty-one dot forty and twenty one dot fifty eligibility for the vr an e program is not related to the eligibility for the post nine eleven gi bill and we weren't talking about the eligibility per thirty eight. Cf are twenty one dot three to zero while a veteran participate in a training program. He or she may qualify for subsistence allowance or monthly stipend the then go onto into the tenants of eligibility and benefits. Which were the same that we discussed on the podcast. Then it says as outlined in 'em to charlie dot victor dot bravo dot seven dot zero seven. Which the manual for how they administer the benefit and i. I went on and read this. It's available online. The rate at which the stipend is paid could be comparable to the post nine eleven gi bill basic allowance for housing rate is. The veteran has at least one day of chapter thirty three in tatum. Remaining under the education program if the individual has zero entitlement remaining he or she does not qualify for the b. h. rate but would be paid under the vr in each chapter thirty one rate Which that rate is covered in the entire m. twenty-eight charlie dot victor dot bravo dot seven section. It's the manuals the m twenty eight. Charlie trust me. This is all searchable. And i went down a rabbit hole in this one and i looked at it and and this is what this i was reading. the vr any chapter thirty one rate is based on their training program enrollment rate and number of dependents if applicable the rate of the monthly stipend is the only connection between vr e and gi bill programs eligibility for either program is not contingent on the other however they cannot be used concurrently. If you qualify for both you gotta pick one or the other. So the information and mr straight burgers interviewed lions up with the federal regulations in the manual. On how it's administered Sorry p soren That you had a bad experience with the program. And i'm not familiar with your case about not being able to go to college under the program. Anything i would guess about the issues that you had would be speculation at this point When it came to the back and forth the training that was thought needed to gain entry into the design career field and whatnot. Piece worn four-to-three shoe email to podcast dot gov and unless talk all right and i was also notified by a listener over the week Who twitter That the app pod chaser actually has reviews and that had a couple on there had no idea. This was a thing The review is from joe's stone says five excellent podcast featuring powerful stories from veterans. If you've served these stories are not only a great example resiliency but also a reminder that we are not alone in our experiences and our struggles plus the podcasts also features frontline information on resources with the department of veterans affairs. Very handy Thank you joe. And thanks for showing that review on pod chaser. I had i had no idea that was a thing and i had another one back in july on there as well as always appreciate all the feedback every week. If you're so inclined to please feel free to leave a review on apple podcasts. It's a good way to communicate directly with the podcast here and help get the podcast recognized by more veterans and podcast land at the same time news releases. I got three this week. i one is. I'm sure if you go to blogs via dot gov you saw this one right on the front page for immediate release. The department veterans affairs received over seventy one thousand doses of the janssen. Kobe vaccine on march third authorized by the us food and drug administration under the emergency use authorization in clinical trials. The janssen vaccine also known as the johnson and johnson vaccine showed an efficiency of sixty six percent against moderate to severe critical covid nineteen disease occurring in at least twenty eight days after vaccination and demonstrated greater than eighty five percent efficacy in preventing severe critical covid nineteen disease occurring at least twenty eight days after vaccination and the janssen vaccine is a is not an m. r. Vaccine veterans who are ruled in receiving healthcare in. Va are eligible to get the vaccine when they're bacillary when their facility has vaccine supply and reaches their risk. Category veterans are required to enroll with a in order to receive healthcare however to receive karen. Va and role must meet certain eligibility requirements under current law which may include income limits veterans. And get the latest information and sign up to receive updates on vs covid nineteen vaccine webpage at. Va dot gov forward slash health. Hyphen care forward slash covid hyphen nineteen vaccine hyphen. Stay hyphen informed. No more hyphens aren't next. One says were meat. Release the department. Voters partnering with customer relationship management company. Salesforce to improve access to essential services and resources among homeless and at risk veterans the status query and response system otherwise known as squares because always acronyms is a. Va web application. I created in twenty fifteen to provide external homeless service organizations with reliable and detailed information about veteran eligibility. Thanks in part to the va and salesforce. Collaboration the updated and expanded version of squares. Let's va partner organizations easily verify. Veteran's eligibility for va homeless programs and real time as of right now squares assists food pantries homeless service providers state agencies nonprofits and other organizations and swiftly connecting vulnerable veterans to homeless prevention rapid rehousing and wraparound supportive services via salesforce will convene virtual workshops to educate users about squares and features the tool will also create videos and case studies to educate registered users potential new users on how to use online tool to learn more about squares and other. Va tools and programs to help homeless veterans go to be a dot gov ford slash homeless and the last one. The third one says for immediate release women are the fastest growing segment of. Us veteran population but only forty percent of eligible women veterans are enrolled in va healthcare the va and the department of defense collaborate and twenty seventeen to study women veteran barriers to care and establish a pilot training program to address those barriers are so the next one is a got women Soon to be veteran. If they're still serving Make sure they're aware of this. Says for meat release. Women are the fastest growing segment of the us veteran population but only forty percent of eligible. Women veterans are enrolled in va healthcare va and the department of defense collaborate and twenty seventeen to study women veteran barriers to care and to establish a pilot training program to address those barriers. The department of veterans affairs launches online women's health transition training course enabling all transitioning servicewomen and recently separated women veterans to have access to information about v a women's health services. The online self paced instruction is available at tap events dot org forward slash courses and is designed to complement v. as transition assistance program Known as tap the online program provides information and resources to help participants understand. Va's gender-specific healthcare services and rohan via healthcare as quickly as possible after separation and be better prepared to manage their post military healthcare in two thousand eighteen via began offering the women's health transition training at select installations and has since provided the instructor led course in person and online to hundreds of transitioning servicewomen feedback from pilot participants shows. The course increases awareness of women's health services available through va and the on-demand course makes this important information readily available to all very good so the national vietnam war veterans day is coming up and here on born the battle. We're going to serve up to great interviews for the next couple of weeks. This week's guest is a former cav scout. The former dod deputy director of the pentagon's and terrorism and homeland security task force a former dod director of their pandemic and influenza task force which recently came into play as he was an adviser for the cdc's recent task force and it was a former deputy cg for multinational forces iraq. He is the new director of the vietnam war. Commemoration whose entire goal is to thank those. That never got a welcome home. Our vietnam veterans and their families for their services and sacrifice took way too long to be recognized. He is army veteran. Peter ellwood enjoy so sometimes. I'm like quiet a little bit so a ten or whatever you want to go. I'm ready to go all right. Yeah our record now. How 'bout that we're report record. Now you know so right up front yesler tell you everybody over the the guy stole get enough credit for what you do for hours failures. Such as thank you from the bottom y uh-huh which emit used different op program. If help us a seven hundred. Twenty thousand vietnam veterans with more than three thousand two hundred and twenty three of us. And it's been a great partnership. Thank you. well that's that's the point of this. Podcast is to help. Try to reach those veterans in. Maybe if we can get this through an email and or through you know that they can click on the blog and then click on click on and then they can really learn what the fiftieth vietnam commemoration is really about Appreciate that. I'll take that back and i know specifically for me. You know vietnam veterans. They bore for us when they came home. They didn't get the thank you for your service. It didn't get the they didn't get any of that. They got a very different treatment. Unfortunately unnecessary cross that. They bore to enjoy so we can enjoy the way we came home in so sultana i in a while over that right. So i've been working with the joint chiefs from all the services including on new space wireless of several raymond ramos. Father was accident. Vietnam wasn't good a passed away about two years ago. So i made a special effort to get him a Surviving spouse certificate for his mother. Who still. So when. I see them when i look in the eye. I remind them. That vietnam veterans a nation's blood and treasure from a generation ago. There were treated shakily. And there's something we can do about it. What we're gonna do is teach children how to love this country. One vietnam veteran at a time by going down in the neighborhoods and thanking them on our percent will sir. Thank you for joint. Come here on the battle absolutely free. She appreciate appreciate you coming on. I think we spoke about a year ago. If i don't remember if i remember right. We shot some emails back and forth. referenda met up with major general jackson. Your predecessor was there any movement from major general swamp. I'm gonna call them out mid swamp in and marvin out of nascar the Hundred now so what. What happened to i think everybody was the fact that in all the covid virus. Yes really made it on. Just make good. Things happen january february. We we're getting the indicators warnings and and much thirteen. The president declared on national emergency and we had cancelled postponed. Almost twelve hundred spa and some of the bigger ones Like you know we love to do with the. Va is is laying a wreath on the national mall. Usually try to get the secretary of defense. The secretary of veterans affairs in we use the inviting number. The ms vso's so we can help recognize veterans. Pow's families And if this medal of honor recipient you know that this in the naval other so there's just made it hard for us. I i'll tell you figura twenty fifth twenty twenty hours down briefing the nas com commanders conference illinois. Com is also vital Laura canadian guy so we had between thirty and fifty thousand canadians actually serving the us force like a grabbed a canadian guy. You gotta help me resume. There was one of the guys on their staff. That was a vietnam vet. Didn't even not a while. And i made them pin joepat in front of the attack. Commencing in premium of thinking. Is you know so. I was the director of the pandemic influenza taskforce back two thousand five. The i was thinking. I should really be talking about this stuff. Sure is that we the hand on fooled. Shaughnessy great big supporters. In fact as this administration rolls out the three hundred williams vaccine. So what's happened to that. Victoria are very good. We'll get into that. We'll get we'll definitely we'll definitely dig into that. You know when. I came in to interview jackson. I'll tell you talk about the cancellations. When i came in i was all we did the interview. We sat down. We we let everybody know when the when the events were and then everything fell apart near kobe. So how have you been able to adapt to that. So at a congressional fatness virtual events soldier solves the lapel. Pin will be sanitized. Stop there okay. Let me present all. We've had nursing homes where the communities salute the veterans inside from outside seeing this with the hospitals communities thanking the whole medical community. Doing all worked at the one on the it and like what. The ana flights were used to have veterans. Come to town now. We have the communities during parades by the soldiers sailors and the veterans homes a while those a three great ways that the you can do virtually at social distance. Think seen with a with a everyone is saluting the veterans from outside and the nurses actually present the pen. Right correct greg. We actually did. the supported a big ceremony for sergeant green. Donald south carolina from of hamburger hill. Okay and he was a veteran Received any kind of recognition because Evacuated off the battlefield and all paperwork stuff but somehow got lost. Felt salt cracks so they had a really nice ceremony for him so through that through that ceremony. You get your figuring out exactly how to do this hamas on android and it continues to approve if you go to our website. You'll find a number of different examples. Really easy go to our website. That will really help you with thinking through. Do things virtually mistake. Gotcha dot website i. I'll put it right in the blog blogs via dot gov of this episode so people can go there and click. Thank you right now We started it on january. Thirteenth is up with a job at up in new york city back. So you go in you get streams vaccine before you leave the job at center. They have to tell you. When you're gonna scully second shot and wanna get ready to schedule. Your second shot. I ask you you veteran if you answered yes. And if you're a vietnam veteran they recognize you right there before you leave the job at sun. Wow and it has been waiting catch some of the vet some of the being on better. And that's that's one thing that i think this is It's about strategic inflection. Point for us the fact that we're going to have three hundred million vaccines distributed across the country. Now means to me that we're gonna reach every living vietnam veteran in the united states. How you able to integrate has a able to integrate into that. Process was was through the va. No it's actually. The national guard has got a lot of the search says at the state level. The va though through vha has got the hospitals and clinics. And we're certainly leveraging that right now we can we in fact. I think we have a teleconference later on today. Okay yeah that would be great to what you're doing the jarvis center if you can do it every every medical facility team rubicon. I know they're doing something with With a bunch of other nonprofits and bezos. But yeah if you can integrate yourself into every single one of those with that question so there's kind of three levels the the the stuff that's going on in the public sector. The the national guard has been supporting at the state level. Right and the health and human services the cdc and fema the request for system have active component augmentation of that so that's one level through the va hospital system and the clinic is another level. Md has its own hospitals and clinics. That have a retiree face as well so this is kind of three three levels. Full the physically able once. Sure the ones that are on able to assisted living the nursing homes. The soldiers home pal. Care rehabilitative care some cases hospice hot so again trying to integrate into something like that so for you. Guys guys'll va dod will ask him a secretary to send a letter to the employees because they have veterans vietnam veterans family members in. They know where they okay. They can help us reach that way. Okay so this was a couple of different levels that we can get after it. Help reach out veterans. Thank timely sash. Very good you know here on during the battle We always go back. We go way back. The first question we always asked is where in. When did you know that the military service going to be the next step and major general aylward's life so you know For me why family has served this country since gettysburg really. Yes i am. I dad was. Of course it pilot. World war to allow combat okinawa with occupation forces to japan was recalled for career during rain or wrinkles in raw and he had a really bad crash down a cherry point north carolina that almost killed so growing up my neighborhood my best friend his file got the proper hani with jim. Let best friend joining. Before i didn't. He talked me in a joint and so young kid. I enlisted nineteen seventy six as eleven delta ten recon specialist back thune cav scout Cutoff scout but so. When i was making that decision between services you know back in two thousand and three tapscott was my army option However it would have been for the money the money only because there is a big bonus to join scouts in two thousand and three so the life expectancy on the battlefield very owns but for folks that have served in the shower. And y'all know it all starts in some spurs. Its its culture. It's just the way life is different than anybody else. If you ain't caveat weight and it's just it is what it is so squadron commander at the time was my best friend's father who got a purple on the on iwo jima. The guy was just he he was he was awesome. Awesome leader and and and frankly just carries over what we're doing the liberal love. He taught me how to take care about warriors and their families in just less which do take care of warriors in the film. And that's what we're doing with this program or making sure that every vietnam veteran and the family member received the nation slack. Gratitude summit should've done fifty years call. Absolute was shameful way. They would treat. We've got a week. We all went to the absolutely absolutely befalling. Nine eleven. You became a plane colder for. Us northern command now. I don't think i've ever seen that term and a bio before. What is what does that. What does that mean. So i. I was tapped early right. After nine eleven. I received a phone call on christmas sued by lieutenant. Joe roger schultz asked me says something foia says. What are you doing the first week in february. Well sir i'm going to be in bosnia. Visited pot of the brigade. So how about the second week. I says sorry. I got a brigade wolf later. I swat how about the third week. I was supposed to be salt. Lake city of the paralympics visit compiler brigade will support the two thousand two winter olympics. Gotcha but he sent me down. Fuck as part of a terms of reference team to help with the creation of what would be law. The command is so They wanted me to go out there on help. Stand up earlier. But i had a finished brigade warfighter and you didn't get out there until late july early august and And we help stand up that command in after nine eleven and it fell in on moore which was pretty much responsible for the in the lane at that time and saw it was it was a great experience but what did plan colder me so i was just a small group of us consider plank holders as was less than ninety folks that help with the creation of mafa com itself in a four star general jemele eberhart at heart out a special coin that he gave to the plan called us. Okay that was kinda cool standing up northern command very interesting very interesting now also in your see that you see masters degrees from both the marine corps university not on behalf of the marine corps. You're welcome and and the national war college. What was different about those two schools so the marine corps university. I graduated in nineteen ninety-five fact. One of my classmates is the caracol. Wanna joel daybreak awesome. So that was the first year. That was the first service school to award. Master's degrees and it was really frank. al grey the godfather current day rome just grabbing the bull by the hans embracing goldwater-nichols heard about general gray. He's the last marine corps combat. That would just literally go. Do you have next rank your good moraine. Okay you're promoted and just drive. His staff crazy joked that will shuttle graves while away. Aero so i'm i'm well-liked jemele lamb gerald gonna fin rough edges. Faces the palmerston. He's he's like the perfect. Yes sir so the difference between the two is is it. It's a command general staff school. I got the live on quantico and it's just being with the marines. My dad was still alive at the cia is different because you gotta commute but but you know is incredibly talented group of folks that got to get together and maserati just florid from each other while taking care of a warriors. Doina nations bit arrogant. Now you held a number of of command staff positions command and staff positions on your way to tomato general One being the deputy director of anti-terrorism homeland defense pentagon staff it. It seems to me we have. We have an entire government department for that. What was was that being the main on office between the dod and homeland security or was there another purpose. so the j thirty four really stood up after Our i dig thirty. Four general. Tim conway ended up being. I was fortunate enough. When i went to the three hours viagra for for forbid and he says he says is i wish he would narrate my life right so we we had read the commonalities had with with each other is that his father The forty fifth infantry division national gut visit during world. War two oh. My father was a marine national guard. Guy so he said it was just you know just come by and he was a saint. Louis cardinals fan. I'm a red sox fan. We had a lot of fun with that but it was wonderful for me to be able to benefit from his experience at aj thirty four solvers a global anti terrorism force protection and a lot of what it had to do with was indicators warnings the fed of addition to nine eleven was was really just failure to share information. Sure with different agencies Thanks for happen on. The homeland defense portfolio included quite a bit different things. Everything from diamox fires floods earthquakes riots. Some more than just terrorism. You actually have some weird stuff out there. Like solar flares that can actually disrup- in all accurate in sault ste critical infrastructure the defense industrial base power projection based so many trying to mitigate a lot of that. This is all sorts of stuff that we got involved. The client lot of planning that we spent is probably spent more time across the rubber in the interagency in the eisenhower executive office building in the white house the most like colleagues that i sure but but the the talent was incredible was privileged to serve with so some remarkable people. We try to make a difference everything. And when general column conway is you know communist. One of your colleagues i would say you did serve pre- pretty pretty great. It was great. Yeah sir what. What year were you. The deputy g. of of multinational forces iraq. Yeah that was a two thousand nine two thousand ten that was actually as they were starting to bring it down right so one of the great things for me was when got older. It was was i i was with the first goal and school was like i told you that my great great uncle served the first court gettysburg so just that was like waco. Yeah no absolutely and when you connect history like that is family that's awesome. What was the greatest challenge to that point so they will get ready for the elections and we wanted to ensure the safe and secure and it was. it was too much different portfolio head back in the j. Thirty four ready for inaugurals get ready for like a democratic republican national conventions so my homeland security by iraq iraq of the iraq iraq version. You know you had these really disruptive but too much different than the two thousand former. It's fame alphabet their election so there are a lot of historical benchmarks to us so the day split why we would dorm things who will. It was one area that We're really having a lot of problem with was Attribution an sensitive site exploitation tonight. The went off is so that you do get the bad guys. Take care of inch so us. Let forensics attribution sensitive site exploitation of to them. It was like mueller audience. So he said lock now. This is what we're gonna do to the population to the local population going to we're going to do scientific fact finding so you can take the bad guys. Put them in jail. That made more sense. And we're able to get stuff done. Like they had to mitigate you had a medic but what really can a really important in iraq and even on our country is it's the local labor at the local neighbourhood is safe then you have a prosperous contriving naval and for them you know tourism in antiquities but really helped their economy in china. So what you can talk to them about is as know. They remember when they were kids. If you talked about the children in that greenwich wanna make difference and they want it to be like when they kits so you can have some commonalities you get stuffed up. What prompted retirement. What year was that. that was two thousand twelve. So you know the. I had a great run ahead. I have been given a couple of opportunities to go twelve things. But i won't beat up. Warrior got beat up a little bit cancer survivor traumatic brain addre- by got bipolar one critic rocket attack. Oh when iraq and had some family issues that i wanted to take care of. I originally last two sisters to canceling one of eleven and also down one of eleven twenty thirty forty years. You life in uniform you spend the rest of your life. The people that you love on the people will love you so lifetime to spend a little bit wartime on that side. I didn't put your uniform on what. Epa aylward do. I slept the four all out. Warriors families post nine eleven environment has been incredibly alad. Some of those jobs like three choice. Stop jase free on the last military command on. We had guys come. There were stated redeployed. As i saw their family will know my my wife. I spent seven years in the beltway career. six years. Something like that and we re we realized really quick the same thing as a warrior serves in tana families what's out on the warriors All warriors in the families. that'll listen. Thank you flight from economic difference. Thank you for up. Take an old waft sport. Defend constitution the united states. You're teaching your children on a love this country and that's what we wanna do absolutely You so you came. You came pre over critically to to the commemoration because you start advice near twenty twelve right. Yeah so started engaging make salted. What's gonna get ready to retire very good now. And you were here when i interviewed your predecessor. jackson What a great man those a passion for for this commemoration its mission. And if you don't if you haven't heard that interview yet please go back in the archives. Listen to that one. How did you become the new director. And what does the mission of this commemoration media so chillemi known each other from stone up lost cop. It was the w commander. Actually he was actually acronyms. Md distal washington and so here was the military district of washington. Commando on the lane crashed into the pentagon night. Low a while So we we had worked together previously. We both got here about the same time. Frankly i think jim would like me to take off. Take take it off a little bit earlier. But i i actually i had two back surgeries and twenty fifteen and that was like joe might like come on like the talks will travel me up pretty good. Can you hang on a longer while. So i had several dozen surgery since i started with the racial so it was a may of this past year that mr moore asked me if i would and so on on march thirteenth when the president of national emergency good friend of mine bob sallis. Who's kind of the secdef. Sleep kovin finally asked me to help will be back on that. Yeah fortunately my sister. Mary passed away on. March sixteenth pancreatic cancer. So i didn't get over to the fema. nrc twenty-third a much work pretty much. We're working seven days a week. And our cece response coordination some roger olmert's in management as deceased collaborative effort with the health and human services so the health and human services they reimburse us and scientists. We had operationalized this. And that's what we helped them out. Do and we will work in some pretty good. I was so august. A right and in working with the team woman at a slightly different direction in terms of just getting out to get stuff done. Mr mueller is the executive agent. I m the action agent. Very good so before this. Commemoration you working with Hhs see fina. i was at the influence. A taskforce demand the elite. I see back attack in two thousand five timeframe track and then from two thousand six to two thousand nine was the champions league for the same portfolio. So i just wanna make sure that our listeners say commemoration director was working okay got established. They don't have much. they didn't have a bullpen. I said hey you know. Let me help you out. Let's get stuffed on good. Just jump right in and and what was helpful for that though is because we had twelve hundred events cancel in. I was able to engage with like apple warsaw Lack some of the folks who can help me reach the votes in the veterans that need to reach i. You still had your eye on this. Still headline on taking care of our veterans and their families. I made a big time femur administrative made him honorary pot up with those reinvigorated by presenting him one of flag. Same with apple chihuahua. Same dr pop. John lack who happened to be a vietnam vet right so very helpful for us to continue to with the ball down the field tracking now. Your career came later from vietnam. Just like major. Joe jackson but you serve but you serve with many. What does it mean personally for you to fulfill this mission. In giving back to that generation in someway i listed on nineteen seventy six so we stood on the shield on their way squad. Kamanda the young marine on iwo jima but most of the sena offices in cavs flawed combat. Quite a few them in vietnam and some of them very highly decorated and they just they knew about leadership they knew about taking care of soldiers and they knew about taking care of our nation. Spitting what that meant. Really out of huge impact on me at my life and my family son. Youngest son continues to will initiate close about trum swelled. So it's a labor love till i breathe by last breath. I am going to help. Take care of veterans and their families standard Did you ever have any any mentors from that generation during your your military her. Yeah so there's actually still get together with coffee breakfast. I've been autographs lieutenant. General roger schultz. Stop on stop up. What appears to be the president of the army's okay. I taught how to drive. Do see no small feat. Saw general schwarzkopf Listening to this. You're gonna get together for breakfast house stand outstanding so so this commemoration you give out pins a now these pins. I mean they may be small. But i i personally of seen seen the effect of these pins of met To some veterans. I gave one I gave up a couple way and again it's a. It's a small token something that you put on your something you put on your suit or something. Put on your your clothing. Your hat But man i saw veteran space on it till it invokes incredible. Almost everybody here on the team most on. And if you haven't been involved in the veteran without a pelton. I highly encourage the door. That says ost folks incredible emotional. It's a lasting memento to the nation service in it's a really nice little lapel pin down. The back says a grateful nation. Thanks on issue but there was a lot of thought. Put that in designed to give every veteran who served from november. first lighting. Fifty five to may fifteenth nineteen seventy five ricotta us. We assume served in the forced urology for the slow so on the front. You'll see an eagle at represents courage on onna dedicated service to the surrounded by blue short which matches the canton. Of the american flag signifies vigilance perseverance. Just has a laurel wreath at symbol that represents victory integrity and strength in stripes in the back represent behind the represent. The american flag surrounded by six stars represent the allies whose nation wasn't treasure served a sacrifice with us. Australia new zealand the philippines republican career interesting. I didn't know that why those years i know. i know. General jackson touched on in the last episode. But it just in case anybody who has never heard that episode so we had a strange story that all too so first nineteen fifty five was. When the military assistance group vietnam stood up like bagri and then may fifteenth nineteen. Seventy five was. The mike wasn't so those are the two counts for anybody that served in uniform allow forces regardless of where you served. You are vietnam veterans. Yeah so there's no. There's no like geographical area for us. It's if you raised your hand and you were serving at that time bergot now this commemoration has partners. I'm going to go back to nascar a little bit. Because i think it's a great example Nascar is the governing body and they hold events at tracks but really the ones that really that i think are the most at the track is track staff self you know and and those that run that track whether it be homestead or or charlotte were there will use professional sports for example like the nfl major league baseball were met with both the commissioners the commissioners really embraced what we're trying to do but they can't tell what the team owners what the frankly so like the commission major league baseball rob manfred what he wasn't responsible. is the world series so game two of the world series a few years back. The la dodgers houston astros. He did something very special for us. On the field medal of honor recipient. We had a prisoner of war. We represent from each one of the services and we had a special offer. Roy also who was nineteen sixty four less angeles dodgers world champion and then deployed the vietnam hot while another thing that commissioner major league baseball when they had the all star game here at town some special slough for us to recognize Roger goodell on the other hand you know. He helped us with teams in individual teams a done some largest things on others. The new york jets. The atlanta falcons chicago bears knowing what patriots in the new york senior cherish. We started asking the teams to help us. Get to the physically. Unable wants to get to the muscles also can hold events interest where we have because of the age of the vietnam. Veterans is a lot that our nursing homes or assisted living out of kids. A reactor kick. How many are we losing a day or year. Five hundred and fifty seven cotulla via a day. This is the challenge is like at the end of today. We will have lost five under five thousand americans to cope by the time of fourth anniversary of national vietnam. War veterans day rolls vice twenty nine. We will have lost two hundred thousand vietnam. Vets and sean. Va tells me. The status system will lose the five fifty seven day. I don't know what the impact the cold out now. So we have a real sense of urgency about jett mountain recognizing them not is it. Is it pretty easy to become a partner. You just have to be an organization from number from the last episode other be a public private non-profit. We have a very simple kind of a one page. The protects brando. We need to names in a signature that allows you to auto material from us. which is we. Should we give a free. But we're asking you to do it so you know we protect the brand and we do the recognition of dignified and respectful men and there are some groups out there that we really frankly don't want representing operate. How can you become a partner so you can go online in. You can go to our website. You plug it in for us. Got it lie within the blog on blogs much pull down and it was very easy to become a partner. Very good sir. What give me some examples of of of some your partner you give me some sports teams Can you be a city can you. You're going to be a city with had congressman at some of this so it can be. It can be two people it could be a body of. It can be a body of fifty. Thousand watt if Okay so i i think. Biggest challenge in the program has been the tremendous journal relationship and and just the re education of people that the program says now. We need to help the all warriors nations blood and treasure in your neighborhood in. We owe it to them and their families to take care of. Let's do this absolutely For those that don't know what is the role of a vietnam veteran. Fiftieth commemoration partner. What's your role if you say. Hey i want to help in some way. Yes we've made it easier as well so what we're asking you to do is hold on. Event can be really anything could be host a story on the website about vietnam veterans. In your neighborhood it'd be simple as that. That's an event okay or it could be something more sophisticated like we did with saddened green down south carolina where the governorates sizing green day and they had a big ceremony in front of the state house with Presentation Spangled banner benediction. A couple of kino's figures some formal presentations along with recognizing the vietnam vets. I donald on fenway pack. Who had over eleven hundred vietnam veterans and their families. come up and have a flyable. What the jets first. And then at the third inning. We had every play at everybody stand. Okay all right. All coaches the umpires with yankees red sox. They held up signs with the name of that will thank why we do more sophisticated. Thanks very good or so. Get an getting the pinch to the to the vietnam veterans that have had one yet. How many vietnam veterans have you have you honored but this commemoration so far. We're a little over three million recognized. That is about six point to the living. Today we got about three million more go a recognize. And so we look at that as you're halfway where we're reliable oil and halfway and so there's three categories physically able. We talked about that. The physically unable and unwilling. That's where i need a folks the folks that are listening to this podcast. If you have a relative has served during the vietnam period. I nineteen thirty. Five to may fifteenth nineteen seventy five. You know where they live right. Lp albus reach in fact the a really appreciate that absolutely How long our partners expected to support this effort when they do become a partner with when we first started before i got before i became director. We asked someone. I became a potluck to to events for three appear now or ask. Does that do at least one event over the next five years. Okay because it could take five years of planning depending on if you wanna get jet flyovers and and some of them are more sophisticated and some of them have committees. some will special legislation passed. Gotcha sold those all sorts of Varying degrees of sophistication. Gosh i like the fact that a journalist can be a partner and just write something myself. S good stuff. How many events have has this commemoration conducted so far ovoid will for a little over nineteen thousand more than twelve thousand Spot the commemoration could conducted supported supported in. And we believe those actually a lot more. That's going on out the frankly. Sometimes i five the report the number and that's and that's exactly what we want. Frankly sure also start taking it towards becomes us where we come on. We have to make it easier for them to tell us what hap- okay i in the fast you know. Fill out piece of paper. Let's that's the government white but that's we can do that. The work toward the very good. How many pens have been given out. This has been three million pens. No so i'll tell pin really. We had a choice special. Kyra since july. Twenty fifteen but we rolled out pencil before that when we talk about. How many vietnam veterans recognized two thousand twelve or two thousand fifteen. We will get up ten pence will. So it's a aggregation of what we did from the get go to what we reached over three million bergen about like you said this is this whole thing is is kind of a to think of non veteran to thank every vietnam veterans. It's definitely a race against time. Might the only other living servicemembers at i had my family other than me and my brother that were alive when i grew up where my two uncles They were on veterans agent. Orange got one in the nineties and And you know for alcoholism got my ankle in the two thousands when you talk about the urgency. It's it's definitely there there so it's tackling the joint chiefs of the alway on forcing myself into places that people sometimes they'll want me to break and one of them recently was reserve forces policy for so when i plead my case the reserve chiefs helping us thank donald vietnam veterans on the neighborhoods lived. I reminded them that will lose. Five hundred fifty. Seven day thing i told is the tragedy the national tragedy that we have those eighteen to twenty two veterans detail. Suicide sixty five percent of those of veterans over the age of fifty one. I said that general pinero told a story of Also served in vietnam when he came back. It'll ptsd in tv. I wanna little extra comeback. Vietnam veterans the visible wounds will war included. The wounds of the collect of a difference. Opinion forgotten being treated shamefully. His a got one hundred percent disabled from the va and he was supposedly all butter. What on Nineteen seventy-one he took his own life. The risk this national tragedy clues invisible wounds a war and we have to help veterans in the families up and i think that when we look him in the eye it changed its. It's a scene from saving private ryan with that age. Matt damon looks at his wife and says tell me i live the good life tommy. I'm a good man. Saddam we put a lapel on off. Look him in the eye and say did earn. It made a different sonata. Life in you are cut man all woman. 'cause you stopped up in your took the oath to support and defend the constitution states states. In you're willing to put your life on the line look will look forward to get vaccines so we can get back out. I think everybody that still with goldman's father got cabin fever. We're just waiting the vaccine so we can get back on the road. Many many these are our national events right there there hometown. Local events commute in the community that at partners put on in their community label hosts know the butler does neighborhoods. Will the veterans live. That's that's really the best way to do it. So of course you know this drops A couple of weeks before national vietnam veterans day on march twenty. Why was that day picked that day when you was military assistance. Command was disestablished was the also the the last two us. Combat troops of the part of the is so that was why that day was picked. Gotcha president trump signed it into law in march twenty seventeen assault Anniversary many more years. Do we have for the commemoration so the commemoration itself received an authorization on of texas through fiscal year. Twenty five but for what. We're doing this generation. This is never gonna end. This is federal thank infects have started on the fifty year the fiftieth commemoration or even continue. So we we have a pot with Reach america so even wanna soldier fasts special times. Are they what we still got out in present to the final resting place salute the headstone. And call out the mate and so it's remember ana in a what if that helps teach the next generation to love to love this country and to love the selfless surface of sacrifice that veterans make but again taken the ultimate So if you find. A deceased on. Veteran are being amarah veteran Is there a wreck. There is a recognition and there is something there for the family is not just we what we try to do is if the spouse still alive we have a surviving spouse lapel to allow anna redo a special certificate while the surviving spoke. Might take you up on that myself. for for my aunt just provide Before you leave at that. I will get okay. How does this commemoration measure success in. Oh i Recently early the speak. About what the chairman of the chiefs of staff general milley the assistant secretary of defense for public affairs rumble. Sean kerber spicer elevator. Speeches of vietnam. Veterans is nations. Blood stretch out. We're gonna miss your success. Spike teaching our children. Hot love this country on vietnam veteran of staking offering every single. How we treat veterans is reflection. Who's actually coming in the door today. True very true and the service chiefs jet. Is there anything that might have missed or forgot to ask. They think is important to share. You know it's the sense of urgency in cove environment that it makes it. Hi everybody but we can be thoughtful about how this lots of different ways. We can tho. Let go to. All american ingenuity can figure this out in the labor love. It makes a difference and we need to make a difference in the lives of our veterans lives children particularly because of the invisible world war than the national tragedy of suicide. I just ask each and everyone listening to this. The police help help help us reach out vietnam veterans and their families. You know whether you're you know who in the neighborhood indigo dot website for easy to walsh. If you will pins we have a bunch of prime familiar. We can send you. We encourage you power. You get out there. Thank thank you thank you. Thank your aunts. Your grandfather's than anybody got ninety. Might stop airing some stories. You didn't know existed in a just a wonderful wonderful experts. We served our country. Mike those before us. The camaraderie is what kept me going and it was a dangerous air our levin dangers. I didn't know what to expect. When i get back for the first ten years after i got out of no one would've known that i was in the service i got home got married two weeks later got a job. We came back built lives families and communities but we still had challenges the carnage of war left an indelible mark on me. Have intrusive thoughts are will might use. Services and support can help our veterans. I went to the. Va talk to my doctor. Started doing groups one on one counseling. We found ways to move past these challenges for ourselves and for our families and make the connection dot net. You can hear our stories find tools and services available to you. The more i talk to people family friends other. that's better. I feel on the good general for his time you can find more about the dod's vietnam war. Commemoration and find out more about how to be a partner by going to vietnam war fiftieth dot com or by calling one eight seven seven three eight seven nine nine five one. This week's borne the battle veteran of the week. I read a blurb about him on instagram. i couldn't believe it was true So i went to the defense dot goes medal of honor section to confirm and lo and behold it was and this was the right up from defense dot gov medal of honor section several medal of honor recipients. Earned the honor for a moment of action but for army sergeant. Joe ronnie hooper. His moment lasted about seven hours. Which is fitting considering. He's one of those decorated soldiers of the entire vietnam war. Hooper was born august eighth nineteen thirty eight and piedmont south carolina but he grew up in washington state. He enlisted in the navy at seventeen serving until his honorable discharge in nineteen fifty nine and then he later decided to join the army. Hooper was on a second tour of duty in vietnam during nineteen sixty as offensive. He was a twenty nine year old sergeant in delta company second battalion hundred first airborne when he earned his medal of honor on february twenty first in sixty eight. Hooper squad was north west of waste city south vietnam. They were attacking a heavily defended enemies position near a twenty foot wide stream when a hail of gunfire and rockets came down on them from viet cong. Most of the company was pinned down by gunfire. hoover and five other paratroopers weren't so we lead them across the stream into the heart of enemy fire or taking five enemy bunkers. Now one account. I want you to count. How many bunkers k. Overtaking five enemy bunkers on the opposite shore. Shortly after the rest of his company saw what they had done and join the fight over the next seven hours. Here are some of the things that hooper did. As more soldiers joined the fight somewhere injured. Who ran back into the intense fire to save a wounded soldier. He was seriously injured in doing this but refused medical attention. Hooper singlehandedly storm two three more enemy bunkers and destroy them with grenades and rifle fire. He shot two enemy soldiers who had attacked and injured a chaplain and then took the chaplain to safety journey. Sweep of the area. He destroyed three more buildings. Were enemy shooters had been hiding at one point who was attacked by north vietnamese officer according to fellow soldier. Lonnie thomas the officers rifle jammed and sergeant huber's out of ammo as the enemy tried to escape the sergeant hooper chased him down in stabbed him with his bayonet from there he destroyed another bunker and killed everyone inside who was fired on his fellow. Soldiers as squad reached the final line of enemy resistance. They were raked by gunfire from four bunkers on their left flank. Hooper was able to run along the bunker line through a trench tossing grenades into each one of them. All but two enemy soldiers were killed. He took out two more bunkers. After that help you count. The bunkers lost track despite having no ammunition left his rifle. Hoover raced across an open field to rescue a wounded man trapped in a trench. According to thomas i call him and tossed him a forty five mentioned that he might need it. No sooner had he caught it and turned and he came face to face with an nba. Raising a rifle to sergeant hooper's head. Sorta hooper then calmly shot the man dead with a pistol and carried the wind man. Back to safety hooper. then finish taken out the final pocket of enemy resistance by by shooting three more north vietnamese officers on a day's work right and actually says that in the writing on a day's work while the enemy had been neutralized. Hooper wasn't done. He established a final line and reorganizes men before finally allowing himself to get medical treatment for the many wounds he suffered. he didn't consent to be in evacuate until the next morning. When news reports said he'd passed out from blood loss. Hooper's valor leadership selflessness. Were directly responsible for his company. Success that day the courage he showed serve as an example for all of that served with him. A fellow soldier. Sergeant george parker said in his lengthy. I witnessed statement of what happened. That day sergeant khabour in one day accomplished more than previously believed could have been done in a month by one and he did it. All while wounded wasn't just the actual count positions overrun an enemy killed which was important but far more so was fantastic. Inspiration he gave every man in the company. The army commission. Hooper as a second lieutenant after that he received the medal of honor from president nixon at the white house on march seventh nineteen sixty nine reports show. He even asked the president for special permission to return to be at phnom. Hooper retired military service in nineteen seventy four. He's known as the one of the most decorated soldiers of the vietnam war having earned thirty seven medals including of course the medal of honor to silver stars six bronze stars and a purple hearts the army credited with killing more than one hundred fifteen north vietnamese fighters hooper went on to breed horses and teach a class on horse-betting after leaving the army in his wife fay also had a daughter unfortunately hooper died of a cerebral hemorrhage just five years later in louisville kentucky on may sixth nineteen seventy nine at the age of forty he is buried at arlington national cemetery army veteran joe hoover we honor his service. That's it for this week's episode of you yourself to nominate borne the battle veteran of the week you can just send an email to podcast. Va dot gov khuda short right up and let us know why. You'd like to see him or her as the borne the battle veteran of the week. And if you like this podcast. 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#EERS S8 Ep178: Au revoir, Paris

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#EERS S8 Ep178: Au revoir, Paris

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I is there so much on impeachment and everything else you know so I was gone this weekend and My Buddy Chris Burns Who has filled in for me before sponsors the show through his company dining money we took a trip together? We we kind of both needed the break and he took my computer from me. I carried it with us on the trip. And he's like dude you're not working And my all of my electric devices were confiscated needed and I couldn't watch the news. I tried I couldn't if they caught me looking at my phone. I got in trouble. I mean it was great. I got to employ which I never do But it was forcibly done to me so I come back this morning and I I gotTa tell you. There's been impeachment developments This Elizabeth Warren stuff crazy. The battleground poll. Have you seen the battleground polling. We we'll get to that but there are two stories blowing up right now. And I haven't even gotten to the Paris accord. Kurtz Zouqi Kirk Suzuki the baseball SPA player. Not only him but Ryan Zimmerman. They go to the White House and Suzuki puts on a Red Maga- hat and they are ready to burn him at the stake. This shows you everything you need to know about the country right now. Particularly among the elite norm Ornstein he's the the inhouse leftist fisted. The American Enterprise Institute The guy just I mean he is a worry wart and nonstop worries complained about the president honored on. He's the guy who's like. Oh partisan listen. Gerrymandering is terrible now that the Republicans are doing. It never really said much when the Democrats were doing I don't think but he he just put up this tweet here. Very sad I love Kurt Suzuki as a player but he wore a Maga- hat to the White House so I will not cheer him not quite as bad for Ryan Zimmerman but his praise as for trump is hard to take. So this is the president had the Washington nationals over to the White House yesterday for a big event had a lot of friends who are going I was flying back yesterday. Finally had my electrons back to me and could search instagram in here. All these friends of mine at the White House yesterday for the nationals event in all my goodness Kirk Suzuki from the Washington nationals dare I to put on a magazine gap the red mega cap symbol of racism everywhere. It's racist someone actually actually put online that it was eight speech to wear. The magic cap is a symbol that you are uttering the others that you believe in white supremacy in nationalism that you support the bigoted legacy of Donald Trump that you. Oh you wish to other others you wish to make them be something other than Patriotic Americans. Because they're not white blue collar trump's of orders. I mean I mean this is this is actually how they look at this. You put on a Red Maggie cap and go into certain sections of New York City in Los Angeles San Francisco. You might get beat up. But it's the person wearing the cap whose intolerant and you see the practitioners of tolerance. Why they're intolerant of intolerance they taller everything accept intolerance and just conveniently intolerance is defined as everything they don't like and they are? I mean these people are seriously upset seriously upset with Washington national. Where's because you know the basketball players? They didn't go to the White House they stood in solidarity with the American skin. People tired of the you sir. Donald Trump but the baseball people get her seriously all the other story that we needed dwell on for a moment is that Sean on Spicer continues to stay in dancing with the stars. The president has broken call in TV. Shows you know I I shouldn't call it. TV shows the the the the ones where the audience get to pick the winner. Instead of the the left wing judges. The audience gets to pick the winter and Brian. Stetler from seeded has actually. He's upset about this. Lots and lots of people are upset about the New York Times actually has eight. Let let me let me read you. Where where's the clip? I just had it and then yes here we go. This is from the New York Times. I I am not kidding you I promise yes. This is pounding the desk ice ice promise. I'm not going to wear but I promise this is an actual quote actual quote from the New York Times this morning the New York Times. Now I caution you if your hands are not on a steering wheel if you're just listening to me in general you probably WanNa put your left hand palm up against your left table and your right hand palm against you right table and push in gently to avoid your head exploding when I read you. This passage from the New York Times. Bad Dancing by non-professional can be disarming it allows you to see the truth within the body that reveals character but Mr Spicer the former White House press secretary and communications director for president. Trump is something worse worse and untruthful dancer addressable food. Oh my gosh. It looks like he really enjoyed himself is I'm tripled answer his hips. It's it is yes. We gives the in his hips. He's as an entrepreneur. No I'm not making this. No this is real. This is real that is hip sly. This is insane. This is insane. His Sean Spicer's hips move like he's a good time we know he's lying there so upset. The president has broken so many people he is broken. Oh can the elite who liked to watch these shows and you know the the crazy thing is the people who watch these shows eight the shows the reviewers from the New York Times. Thanks Paul the HOI could get on television and actually dance with professionals. How dare they do the waltz? Don't they know the waltz is reserved for people in the nineteenth century and earlier. We can't do the waltz now. They're doing the waltz. That's racist Sean. Spicer is doing a Mexicans that is clearly ridiculed the people of Mexico build a wall around. Sean Spicer's hips. They're really actually upset about this You know I wish that there are days I come in here and I see these stories. This is one of them where I think men seriously euler upset about Sean. Spicer dancing on dancing with the stars that this is this is how how you're appalled and enrich you know. I really do think what are the things that is driving. This sort of stuff is is the click bait nonsense out there That here I am. I'm going to be talking about this and People are all opposed to Sean Spicer. And we've got to drive up the ratings of we've got to drive up the viewership uh of our pieces so we need to come up with some sort of hot take that encourages us to whip everybody into a frenzy. Here's is this. Is the critics notebook of the New York Times. The headline no Sean. Spicer really can't dance. He has consistently been the worst performer on dancing with the stars. So why is he still on on Monday. Night Sean. Spicer yet again collected enough audience votes to deemed safe on. ABC's dancing with the stars. Kate Kate flannery was voted off. What's terrible about this week's result? Is that the competition included dance off. Mr Spicer went up against Miss Flannery. She won according to the the judges. But Mr Spicer remains in. It's outrageous. He has a different partner this week because his regular one Lindsay Arnold had a death in her family. It didn't make his dancing better or worse. It remained consistent awfulness Mr Spicer stain power has little to do with his performances over the past eight weeks. He's been the weakest dancer from the show is low. Scores from the judges at borne that out bad dancing by non-professional can be disarming but Mr Spicer sure he's an untruthful dancer. The creation of a dancer takes years around ten and the great modern choreographer Martha the Gramm explained in her autobiography blood. Memory the movement of a trained dancer she wrote becomes clean. Precise elegant truthful movement never lies is it as a barometer telling the state of the souls weather to all who could read it. Mr Spicer hasn't trained of course but he has revealed much about his soles weather through his dancing he hides behind agree GIS smile partying his teeth to make it look as though he's been caught mid laugh. The smile seems meant to distract from his plan of attack. Never actually performing a dance but conquering it. And so he set out aalto campaign. Creating the website Spicer Arnold Dot com where you can purchase mugs and hats or a set of yard signs and The people are stupid. Apparently apparently well listen. I I generally people are stupid but these people are stupid. They're a- this is. This is a reality TV show where the audience gets to judge and now they're upset now. I promise you if you actually saw my shell and I I sit down every morning in outline. What are the big stories? What are we talking about the number one story Before I even got into the Bauer point was going to be the Paris accord the Harrison. We're the president is formerly. pull it out of the Paris accord the left is in meltdown. We will get there in moment. But why did I go to Kurt. Suzuki in Sean Spicer I instead because I got on social media I made the mistake mistake. I got my computer back. Finally WE I. It was given back to me so I could come home. I turn on twitter and the intellectual elite elite of America are in meltdown. This morning. They I mean generally meltdown. Reporters pundits think tankers. They're horrified that someone who would play for Washington. DC's team might put on a Red Maga- cap. They're horrified by. That idea horrified that he would do that does he. Not Know Washington hates Donald Trump. And here how are we ever going to cheer for this team team again. What does it say about someone that because of a player on a team putting on a cap for a politician? They'd like that could affect whether or not they want to support the team. Not just the player but the team and then you've got a stupid reality show full disclosure. I do not watch dancing with the stars. I find it to be one of the most insufferable shows on television. I do not watch it. I realized there are people listening to me right now. Who Do Watch it? God bless you for watching it AIDS as a waste east of my time but people watch it in the audience votes. Those are the rules winded. The left stop liking the popular vote. They've been dealt with. Donald Trump didn't win the popular. He's not a legitimate president. Sean Spicer is winning the popular vote and now they're upset with the popular vote because it's not about the popular voted never was and it's not about Donald Trump at never wasn't it's not about Sean. Spicer never was it is all about them wanting to charge and they occasionally run into these crude in rude reminders. That they're not in charge anymore. And it upsets them. They believe the left fully has invested in the idea that everyone who is righteous agrees with them and their beloved Kurt Suzuki it turns out he likes. Donald Trump Ryan Zimmerman praised the president and there can be no forgiveness. WHOA kness forgiveness only existed Christianity? Chieh there is no forgiveness in whatness so these people must pay and you idiots who were supporting Sean Spicer. You must pay. Hey too. Because his hips lie. He's an untruthful dancer. And if you weren't bigoted rube supporting the president. You would know it This is the these people are genuinely ridiculous. I'm not sure why we should take them seriously. The only reason we have to take them seriously is because they are convinced that they should be ruling ruling force in this country and they hate you because they're not they blame you for their lack of power. It is Eric Erickson here. Twenty four after the hour in in his election day election day around the state of Georgia and Nationally Louisiana Virginia Kentucky They've got races there. the Virginia races are highly watched by Washington because Washington presses Giddy at the thought of the democratic takeover in the In the House of delegates in Virginia which is is probably going to happen. The Republicans hang on by a thread there The Republican Party in Virginia is not super organized. It hasn't been in the last couple of years. But you've got governor's Governor's race in Mississippi Louisiana one in Kentucky and you've got a lot of races here in Georgia including The the BRENCH legislation the MIMOSA. A bill some people are calling it I I'll I'll review this again later but just thirty cities or counties in Georgia That are going to decide today today whether or not alcohol sales can begin in restaurants as early as eleven. AM currently alcohol. Sales can't begin until twelve thirty. PM and there are other restrictions in some parts of the State on alcohol and and so the the votes will be in Albany. Berkeley late Cairo. Carterville Carter's Ville Centerville. CLARKSVILLE Cleveland Cornelia. COVINGTON COMING ULA Delana Lumpkin County Darty County. Amerson can you hardly Hampton Henry County High Rem Lee County Lilburn Locust Grove mcdonagh Matt. Monro Moro noon in norcross Rome stockbridge Valdosta oeste Watkins Villain White And there are a bunch of places that have already voted on this. But those are the ones here notable for Russell Right now in the listening area. This hour Kiro CLARKSVILLE CLEVELAND Cornelia Delana. We got let's see Lee County in their little burn in there Rolm Valdosta Watkins Ville White A few more in their coming up So just remember you've got an election today In those areas in particular you've got more than one issue. A lot of people have lost on the ballot. And I'll get more into this more detail on this later. Did you hear about Greta. Thunberg remember her. She's apparently was headed to Chile. Now this is something that isn't getting a lot of notice around the world right now win. The Arab spring broke out. The Western media was very much Focused on the riots in in the Middle East from Libya to Egypt to Jordan to Syria to Iraq Iran. And now there are lots of riots breaking out in Western civilization their rights and chilly their rights and limit on their riots. I I think I saw in Hungary. There were some rights their rights in Spain and Portugal. Right now People protesting protesting against governments among other things. They were going to have the UN Climate Change Summit in Chile and the government. There has had to cancel everything because of civic unrest so they've moved it to Madrid. Well a bunch of people got the Greta Thunberg idea of of saline to Chile to go to the conference Thunberg herself decided to sail and now she's on the wrong aside the planet to try to get to Madrid and she doesn't WanNa fly and she's upset. How dare they change the summit? is she going join to fly to get to Madrid. Time will tell but they're having to change course all these people on boats or having to change course to to get to the climate change. Some I mean we the people listen. I appreciate that people really care about this issue to such an extent that they are willing to up in their entire life order and go backwards to survive. I mean the last time we relied on wind and solar power was called the Dark Ages. And that's what these people want. You gotTa have windmills and solar panels. You can't have power when the sun goes down or this or does or the wind doesn't blow and then you can't be on airplanes anymore. They want us to go back to sailing in boats to get around the world slow travel you know there have been all of these. These stories worries out on things. Like slow eating. Have you heard about slow eating. I kid you not. This is one of the health trends. Eat Solo actually do chew sixty times per byte and then your body will be filled quicker because you know as you're scarfing down your food food your food gets in your stomach before your stomach can signal that you're no longer hungry so if you eat slow your stomach can signal when you've gotten and when you're full and you could stop eating and now we're into slow travel. We should go back on boats to go around the world we should sale as opposed to get in there quickly and flying and by the way you know even Elizabeth Warren Has Come Elizabeth Warren of all peoples come out and said no I fly commercial carbon emissions but Greta. Greta Thunberg wants to actually be on her prince's yacht to sail around the world. The this whole thing is just the environmentals movement is getting insufferable. Trouble on some of this stuff is genuinely crazy. the extent to which they're going to go and now they're all crying because they've had to move the summit from Chile the Madrid and they've all sailed to the Western Hemisphere and then they'd get a sale back to the eastern hemisphere horrible. Imagine the people who are able to get on a plane. It's unfair for those people should be taxed for having the advantage of flight. But it's a conscious choice is not when we come back the Paris accord. Yes you can call in. We do take calls calls eight seven seven nine seven Eric. That's eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five. The president is formally withdrawing growing from the Paris accord. I I'm not sure why it took them so long to do. He's been hinting about this for a while. this is making international headlines. Today today You should know there is a lot of outrage over the president doing this They're actually I. I'm I'm surprised that there. There is as much as there is given How the president has been very open? He planned on doing this. I mean this is actually the the top story at the BBC right now the BBC news site The the top story the headline regret as US begins exit from climate change agreement Paris climate accord. US notifies you into withdrawal. Here's this is the BBC again The BBC a British British the British Broadcasting Corporation. It's their top story on their website. International side right now the. US has begun. The process of withdrawing from the Paris Agreement Green notifying the United Nations of its intention to leave as other countries expressed regret and disappointment at the move. The notification begins a one year process of exiting the global global climate change record culminating the day after the twenty twenty. US election the US government said the deal puts an unfair economic burden on Americans. The agreement brought together one hundred hundred eighty eight nations to combat climate change. There's been widespread international condemnations of the. US move the Paris accord agreed in two thousand fifteen commits the US and one hundred eighty seven other countries to keeping rising global temperatures below two degrees Celsius above preindustrial levels and attempting to limit them even more to a one point eight five centigrade Celsius now rise the decision to withdraw made the US the world sold non-signatory in prompted high level efforts. It's by the European Union to keep the agreement on track however hundreds of local governments businesses and organizations in the US joined the we are still in movement pledging to cut emissions and moved renewable energy. Isn't that antastic. American businesses and individuals are pledging that they will take up the effort that Donald Trump is walking out of. Isn't that a good thing. I mean all of us should applaud that if your company wants to cut emissions standards for your company. God God bless you if you an individual want to burn cow poop or have a windmill in your backyard and kill all the birds or put up solar panels. God bless you sir for doing so step up and take the initiative yourself without uncle. Sam forcing us all to do it. Put yourself in that position without requiring the government to make it happen. I think that's the perfect solution here. The fact that the left after having a full meltdown over this tells you everything you need to know about it They want the government to force this. This seems to be this really is the big divide if we're honest about it. This is really the big divide between the left and the right these days. The right really does believe that you as an individual can take responsibility yourself for these things and in so doing you could be responsible for your destiny and if each of us do a small bit to help will then each of us do in a small bit amplifies out into a larger bit for the whole country. There was an article actually. Oh where was it I was at a New Yorker somewhere somewhere in the last couple of months. I read it about a guy in Sanford. I said no no no. He's not in San Francisco. He's in San Bernardino which is in southern California And he does backyard gardening any helps others get their backyard gardens growing and his his whole rationale is that that the world is basically going to die and he's going to make life better as best he can and if everybody steps up and does the same thing then maybe we can prevent the world from the death that he thinks the world is going half half and so his whole thing is he started back your garden and then he helped his neighbor star Backyard Gardens and they learn about rain water collection and water runoff in Grey Water Etcetera Cetera and and he tends to community gardens in his thinking. Is that if more people did this. They would be learning to operate seasonally with their vegetables which doubles that they eat. It would be helping our bodies. We will become more nutritious but we would also be putting it in and massive commercial farming that uses pesticides and hurt the Environment Blah Blah Bob Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah and. You whether you agree with it or not whether you think it's crazy. You can kind of see his logic here if I do this and then I helped my five neighbors do this. And the nature of those five neighbors helped five neighbors we have this exponential rate of improvement where none of us now are buying vegetables at the grocery store. So we're not driving for you are vegetables. we're cutting down the need for farmers to take over land that had trees on it. We're cutting out the need for farmers to drive their their carbon. Fueled old tractors as much and in a small way in his small plot of land. He can improve his life. He can prove his nutrition. He can save himself money and he can fight back and I think it's genius. I really do. I think is a bit of mind you. He really does seem despondent that the world is going to do it in he fundamentally we believe the world is coming to an end in the next ten years. Maybe maybe maybe this is a subconscious thing where all the Pagans now realize Jesus released coming back. You know what I mean if God makes us he's kind of woven into us and even those of us who don't believe in that we know in the back reminders that little bitty voice that says there's more than this and that little voice is now screaming. Hey you got ten years you got ten years. Except he's processing is as not. I got ten years to rip it. I got ten years to actually grow. Grow my garden. I'm just throwing it out there but I mean this is this is where we are and I think it's a good thing I think. It is a good thing for individuals and businesses to step up on their own because one it shows the government's really not needed the so much of the environmental movement in the United States is wrapped around the idea that we need to be just like Europe. We need command in control. We need higher regulation. We need the government imposing on people imposed on people that desire to eat better and live well in a way the government demands said they keep changing all the nutrition regulation so that we keep changing all the time. But that's what the left wants. They want the government demanded this stuff they want the government to mandate healthy living. You know it was actually Hitler who And I I don't mean this pejoratively but seriously if you read the Nazi party platform they went to great lengths to encourage Through the Houston. Power of government vegetarianism among Germans. They thought it would would. What do them better? Hitler was a vegetarian he. He encouraged people to become vegetarians. And he used the state to do it. but take apple. Just just take apple for a minute. I gotta lot of issues with Apple. These days Their their software men talk about Buggy but apple has decided sited that it wants to be one hundred percent carbon neutral so at apple's new headquarters the the the the big circle. UFO spaceship style campus. It's it's covered in solar panels. They all of their power from renewable sources apple has major server farms in North Carolina and elsewhere and and they get all their power from solar and wind around the world. Apple is insisting that its factories be either carbon neutral troll carbon negative meaning that they're they're improving the world around us and I think it's great. We'll that caused hawes apple to char- they're already paying are higher prices but you can buy an apple product. If you're a lefty who cares about this issue you you can buy an apple product knowing that you are not damaging the environment you can feel good about yourself. It's like buying a left wing rosary. You put that Apple Watch on your hand and it taps you once a day and remind you to breathe lefty prayers. Thank you difficult for saving the environment Thank you for being carbon neutral offsetting everything donald. The trump administration is twinned to destroy the world. I mean it's it's a religious experience. It's like a rosary. Put on the Apple. Watch and breathe and think Tim Cook. And Steve Jobs are having the foresight to save the planet from the Evil Awful Donald Trump by doing carbon. Offsets it's a good thing and we didn't need the Paris accord for. Where did we do? You know where the Paris accord is the the Paris accord is a voluntary program. You see they're they're actually fleet. What what the way? The parents record worked is that each government would come forward with a plan for that government on how to become carbon neutral on how to stop the world's world's temperature from rising and the rest of the world it's it's unenforceable in many of the countries. When the Paris accord came out including in many European countries what their goals were were the things that they were already doing so it really wasn't a sacrifice it they were already doing these things they just is? Put it into the Paris accord to make themselves feel good about CECE. We're now really doing the really committed to these things. But there's no enforcement. Provisions in the Paris accord they which is somewhat funny That the one of the arguments for saying that the bears record is that while there's no binding enforcement so why not stay with. There's no binding enforcement. Why not leave because what the rest of the world doesn't seem to understand this argument? Is that the Paris accord would give the president because he signed it as an executive agreement the president would be able to get some executive power. Our based on that to enact executive orders to ensure that the American government comply with Paris accord the Congress did not ratify and that's why Donald Trump to get rid of it the hilarious irony. Here is that in so doing the president. The end of the period record will come the day after the election next year. We are now a year actually year minus a day from the election yesterday with three hundred sixty five days today. Three hundred sixty four days until the election. The Paris accord based on. Today's notice would expire on Wednesday the day after the election in two thousand twenty. Now why would the president do that because this is going to be a huge campaign issue for the Democrats will of course it's going to be a huge campaign issue for the Democrats. That's exactly what the president wants. I want to play for you. This audio this this is Ilhan Omar at a Bernie Sanders rally. And I want you to listen to what she has to say about about Bernie Sanders of pain and suffering is personal for both of us. The fight for human rights is undeniable deniable and when we recognize injustices of the past and present whether it is genocide against Jewish people are Manian ends on one Benz or Bosnians are native Americans or more we realize that that recognition is about panel sharing our political vos but leading within in how moral obligation I beyond honored excited it against Western imperialism and Western imperialism realism Western imperialism and adjust world. That's what Bernie Sanders is fighting against. y'All Western imperialism and agenda and and fighting waiting for for just causes around the world against the United States like the Paris accord when the Democrats like Johann Omar go out onto the campaign trail in start talking about Western imperialism in genocide in how the United States is to blame mm-hmm so all the United States is there will be a segment of of America's left leaning population. That is so so focused now on white guilt. Not that they'll buy it. They'll go for it. They'll agree but most walt don't most people are actually going to go out there and say hey we should wreck our economy and the growth in our economy to make Europeans feel good about themselves or make the left feel good about themselves. We're dealing with people who looked at Kurt Suzuki putting on a red baseball cap in decided he though they've cheered for him in the past is now bad God. We're talking about a group of people who are upset that the audience of dancing with the Stars Support Sean. Spicer these are the people who are GONNA be upset with anything. Donald trump does but more more than that they also th there is a fundamental idea. Yeah I think that has creeped into progressivism that the United States is bad and I don't think that translates well to to most people and if anything I think the President President waiting for today to cancel when he could he could have done it for four years the president could have done it the entire time and he waited until now and he made it the big issue for the day after the election and then the day after the election the Paris accord expires. This now becomes a campaign issue and the Democrats can't help themselves in the way they talk about it. The Democrats cannot help themselves in how they approached the issue of climate change. They do not seem to understand fundamentally that the American people are not with them him on this issue they do not seem to understand fundamentally than Americans are not willing to wreck their economy to make themselves fuel good about the planet cooling or warming it or anything else. They don't want to give up their fossil fuel based cars for an electric car that by the way the harvesting of the lithium wrecks the the world they do not want to give up their hamburgers in favor of lab created synthetic meet they do not want a pay more for their power bills they do not want to live in the dark liking California. Yet that's what the left offers in if they're gonNa make twenty twenty about that sort of stuff. This is going to be an issue that hurts them. The president he was a genius political. Move for the president to wait until now a year before the election action to make this issue because it will drive the Democrats to hysterics the seems to be a signal in my mind. The seems to be a signal from the president and his campaign team team that they understand. The Democrats cannot help but overplay their hand on this issue with their rhetoric. And they're hoping that they do. I got to tell you. I feel a little vindicated I've said this on the program a couple of times. Now I don't know WHO LATINA CTS IS I. I don't know what a Lateen IX is. And you hear Elizabeth Warren say this it's always Really Rich White Progressives who say Latina CTS Latina six. It is a gender neutral Latino Latina Latino Latina if it's a woman and someone came up with a brilliant idea of going with lateen ix for men and women because they didn't want to just say Latinos most most of my friends who are Hispanic go by Hispanic and in fact someone finally decided to pull the Hispanic community and it turns out A plurality support Hispanic and then right after Hispanic Latino only two percent Well within the margin of error It could be actually zero people. Two percent say Latina CTS is acceptable. I guarantee you that the people in that poll who said Latinos X.'s. Acceptable are progressive academics. They're members of the Spanish community who are progressive academics or activists. Because because those are the people who use the term no one in the Latino Hispanic community uses the term and yet Elizabeth Warren and Kamla Harrison. The like or Al Out there talking about the Latino community entity Alexandra Kazu Cortez Talks about the Latino community. She of course Hyper progressive activists a member of Congress. She is in the Latino community. She I think he's the only person of prominence who actually uses it who actually is Hispanic in the Democrats so this all cook from Democratic pollster who essentially is going out warning Democrats stop using this word Latinos. Nobody uses the word. It sounds condescending to the Latino community stop stop using it and Elizabeth. Warren can't help herself hip as an Richard would say hip per self can't do it and people are trying to it. It's a silly silly thing. By the way I want to spend time when we come back in the next hour I wanNA spend some time on this But the Elizabeth is Warren Versus Donald. Trump story is heating up. And it's worrying people because Nate Cohen again at the New York Times. Who is now respectable in a way that What's his name Nate Silver Nate silver of at five thirty eight. He's no longer acceptable. And he's no longer acceptable to the left because he dared to suggest that president trump has a shot in twenty twenty and the Democrats are being unreasonable in some of their characterizations of the president. And so he's he's anathema now and so they've Gotten Cohen who who is at the New York Times in his essentially. Now doing what You need silver used to do is at the New York Times Pauline in vetting polls and looking at stats well on Monday the New York Times and CNN released poll of how Donald Trump is ferrying against three leading Democratic presidential candidates Joe Biden Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren in six critical suing states. All of which trump won in twenty sixteen. The result contains bad news for a Warren. Despite how her despite her strong showing with Democratic primary voters than Iowa against President trump she performed worse than Biden or sanders with trump leading or tied in five of six Wings Dates Biden leads or Chris tight with trump and five of the six dates while the Times poll shows trump and sanders running essentially even the Times. Nate Cohn who oversaw. I saw the poll road of Warren quote. Not only does she underperform her rivals but the poll also suggests the race could be close enough for the difference to be decisive. What are the key takeaways here? Is that the president is way better positioned initiative in the battleground states that he is nationally. The polling that the national polling is skewing our sense of the race you should start looking at the the battleground polls the I mean I sound like a broken record and say this. I've been saying this for for the whole time. I've been on the show since August. We launched the battleground polls are meaningful. The national polls are not. The national polling is meaningful to the extent that you've got a double digit gap between people like the President and Joe Biden that reflects down into the swing states. And that is exactly what we're seeing. When the president has a double digit gap in the polling? Data affects the swing states. The margin is so big that it affects the polling in swings dates. But when you look at people like Elizabeth Warren Against Donald Trump notice how the national margin is closer to warn born and trump and that reflects the battleground states as well. We're in the battleground states. The president's margin is so strong he could potentially dominate Emanate Elizabeth Warren. And guess what. The President has more money than Warren he can go on and start defining going away. She can't define him over the next couple of months. That's not going to help Elizabeth with Warren if she's the nominee and it's looking like she could be. The president will win reelection and the Democrats are starting to realize that you'll I would like to think quip for sponsoring serene this week show. y'All I love my quip toothbrush. I bragged about it forever. I continue to brag about quip because it is a great toothbrush. In fact I took a trip this past weekend. Microsoft went with me. 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The Erik Erikson show across the state of Georgia around the nations on facebook. Live the full number if you would like to be a part of the program. Eight seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three are- seven four to five Is the full number. You're more than welcome to call us. Congratulations to the University of Georgia in its fight against The Florida gators the governors of Georgia in Florida made a bet on the game If the gators won governor Governor Kemp I started to say President Governor KIPP would head to the Florida everglades Hunt Pythons and if Georgia one Rhonda Santa's the Governor of Florida would head up appear to hunt hogs with governor so Rhonda Santa's is going to go hog hunting now. I want to begin this hour with this story. That is still making all sorts. It's of waves from yesterday. When I was gone I was flying back from a guy? Straw was we'll we'll we'll discuss it later and Mike Hi. My computer was confiscated from. You're not allowed to work Seriously the the buddy I was going with was very insisted that he would smash it. If I tried to work They took look all of my electronic devices from me so I could not work and keep up with the news. I am workaholic. They know it it was basically a detox weekend for me Rehab weekend by not working. It was the least stressed I've ever been. I didn't have my computer to steer social media or anything but but there was a big story The New York Times upshot a which is run overseen by Nate Cohen. Their in house pollster. They decided to forget the national bully. Only the national polling skews to the Democrats because it's very hard to weed out the Chicago's and L.. As in New York's and Miami's the world where The president in his behind these major urban corridors they decided instead to conduct polls of battleground states And they did a poll. Lean one of several thousand people in battleground states. I WANNA say it was three thousand some odd people people. They wanted to get. Marcia there's yes. Three thousand seven hundred sixty six registered voters not likely voters but registered voters. And here's the thing this is what's what's so so significant here. One of the things that the the battleground polling for the New York Times did is they did not talk to people who said they would register. Or whose registration had lapsed. They talked to people who were actually registered. You know in a lot of times people will count register voters of people who we're not registered but intend to register a lot of those people. Don't actually register so this is a pure voter registration pool of three thousand seven hundred sixty six registered voters right. Now keep in mind as well. Here's the thing. A registered voter pool leans to the Democrats. All voters tend to lean to the the Democrats by about four to six points. A registered voter poll leaves to the Democrats Press. Two to four points and a likely voter poll can lean to the Democrats up to two points but tend to be more precise record. The the narrower the pool of voters the better it is for the Republicans and the reason is because Republicans do tend to vote in larger numbers than Democrats but there tend to be more Democrats so in percentage proportions of each group. Republicans vote more the Democrats of but there are more Democrats so they smaller percentage turnout to match the Republicans the the but a lot of registered voters or people who are Democrat but they have no intention of ever voting or people who classify themselves as Democrats. So you've got some biases By looking at registered voters but it's sued to look at likely voters registered voters. The best you could do. They try to balance it out as best they can. It's still certainly leads to the Democrats in a little bit. But it's not GOI Loyd. It's not good for the Democrats and the battlegrounds is saying that about the registered voter bowl If it is registered voters as opposed to likely likely voters. It's not good particularly for Standards and for Warren. There is something you here in Georgia listening to be right now need to know. This is the New York Times not favorable to the president. This is a college policy in college. Which College College polling I I? I'm a little skeptical but see in college actually does do good polling which is why the New York Times went with them. But let me give you the swing states in the poll Michigan Pennsylvania Wisconsin Florida Florida Arizona in North Carolina Michigan Pennsylvania. Wisconsin Florida Boorda Arizona North Carolina if you needed in alphabetical order because that totally confuses you Arizona. Florida Florida Michigan North Carolina Pennsylvania. Wisconsin notice the state. That's not on the list. Georgia is not on the list. As much is the Democrats want to make it a swing state. It is not on the list of swing states for the New York Times right now that that's that's actually a very interesting point that you need to note here that it is not considered Arizona a state eight. That always goes. Republican is listed as a swing state. But Georgia is not Florida is listed as a swing state but Georgia is not North Carolina is listed as a swing state but Georgia is not. That's pretty notable that they're not considering Georgia's week say. But how do the candidates fair this I find to be very interesting. In North Carolina a state that looks like it may have trended Democrat. Donald Trump Beats Joe Biden Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. The three democratic frontrunners in Arizona. The President Beats Bernie Sanders but loses to Joe Biden Elizabeth Warren in Florida the President Beat Sanders and Warren Loses to Biden in Wisconsin. He's even with Elizabeth Warren in loses to Sanders Sanders and Biden in Pennsylvania Guineas even with Sanders and loses too sanders and Biden and in Michigan. He's tied with Biden Sanders would beat him and he would beat. Elizabeth Warren allegedly allegedly now. There's there's data here that we need to process particularly Elizabeth. Warren Elizabeth. Warren is becoming the hot new thing for the Democrats. The the the media has been trying gene to make Elizabeth. Warren happened for a while now. And she's having a real hard time in fact even the Biden campaign assistance roller ability or let me play this clip from the Biden campaign. Cap About Elizabeth Warren. Speak all night so you know. We know that we're connecting with voters. Voters are responding. Because they want somebody who has a record of progressive aggressive accomplishment. He is the person in this race. Who's actually gotten things done? He's actually made change you reference Medicare for all and and you know Senator Warren I think has Spent many months not answering the question about whether or not recently but not in a straightforward way because every day I from the right the right and it shows that the employer tax that she's putting four nine trillion dollars in new employer taxes. Axes that are going to be passed along to employees. She has a tax on Financial transactions that's going to impact the the investments considering financial aspects transaction. Important as. Well my point is that she has not been forthcoming about whether that tax is going to hit the middle class. Correct correct. She has not. Voters are deeply skeptical of her again. Let me now let me give you the breakdown on these numbers. You see sense of it in Michigan President trump among registered voters and keep in mind again registered voters. Lean Democrat. So add two points if we're down L.. Likely voters add two points to the polls among registered voters in Michigan Donald Trump would be with worn by six points probably eight points among likely the voters in Pennsylvania. They're tied which means among likely voters probably the president would win by about two percent. Same Wisconsin in Florida. The the president would win by four points. Among registered voters probably six points among likely voters in Arizona. Elizabeth Warren is up to the president among registered voters among likely voters they're probably tied in North Carolina. The president's up three up five among likely voters so in other words the president would win all of the states more likely than not that he won in two thousand sixteen is if Elizabeth warns the nominee and now consider Bernie Sanders again. Add Two points points for likely voters so among registered voters sanders is up to Michigan so tied with the president among likely voters in Pennsylvania Sanders is up one so the president is probably one point ahead of Sanders among likely voters in Pennsylvania. Vania in Wisconsin Sanders is up to so probably tied with President among likely voters in Florida. The president has already up a point. Point among registered voters so up three with likely same in Arizona President up one with registered three with likely North Carolina. The president is up three with registered. Probably up five same with Elizabeth Warren Only Joe Biden gives donald trump run for his money. Right now Biden is up three in Pennsylvania. You add in late make it likely voters. You probably have one same in Wisconsin. Up One in Florida Biden is right now UP-TO so they're probably tied among likely voters in Arizona binds up five so I mean he is actually up three points among likely voters. Probably the president is up to North Carolina among registered voters so probably up four among likely voters so the president could potentially hold Michigan and he could hold North Carolina it's Biden Heighten Biden gives him the strongest run for the Money Warren and Sanders. Do not so there. There are a couple of takeaways here that that you need to understand and I realized this is number seven. Don't like do numbers heavy on radio because it kind of gets muddied But let me give give you this in a nutshell. Now that I've I've done the deep dive on this for you. Elizabeth Warren does badly against Donald Trump among even registered voters in the registered voter pool tins to Lean Democrat. You get closer to likely voters. She does even worse against the President and yeah the Democrats looks set to replace Joe Biden with her because Biden there's still stumbling around the problem with ward has though his black voters black voters Do Not like Elizabeth Warren. They're having a hard time connecting with her Bernie. Sanders has stained power. Power for millennials. But he's not going to be the nominee Bernie Sanders is running out of steam. Joe Biden is running out of money and that gives Elizabeth Warren advantage into the democratic campaign. which just one reason so? Many pollsters are focusing on right. Now you need to understand that that the national polling shaping coverage of these candidates The National Polling shows that Elizabeth Warren auras going up. So the media's giving her more attention which creates a feedback loop into the polling until the media starts going negative honor. The media has been working so hard to make Elizabeth Warren Happen. They're having a hard hard time going negative on the one they wanted but it's happening with the battleground polling. That's why people are so upset with Cohen. Today is because the left really wants Elizabeth Warren going to happen and here comes Nate Cohen for the New York Times. Say Wait a second guys you make Elizabeth Warren. The Democratic nominee Donald trump is going to get reelected and people are gasping. How can this be I? I realized that in our bubbles progressive and conservative but both Progressive Kevin Conservative in our bubbles. We have a hard time accepting that if we like or hate someone the other side could create them. We see all the the time that this situation Where we have voters who are not Democrat? They're not Republican looking and they make up their own mind and they decide. You don't like this person but I like their policies and the left is having a hard time coming to terms with Donald Trump. There are a lot of independent voters out there now. Granted independent voters tend to be typically class Republican voters but more than that there are a lot of voters out there who think you know. I don't like Donald Trump but this woman scares me her plan to tax my employers tax my small business to tax my investment income tax. My money it scares them and it turns out as much as people don't like President Trump There so much that they dislike about these Democratic candidates that the president could win reelection. And there here is another takeaway here that you need to understand. This overshadows impeachment right now. The Democrats have nothing on the president with which to impeach him. They do not have a bipartisan impeachment process. If they're not going to have a bipartisan impeachment process and the Republicans hold the line. They're not going to be able to impeach the president. It all looks to be in vain Ain in fact I've got some audio. I'll play for here to bit. Voters simply do not care. They do not care about impeachment. It is not something that the voters are energized by or enthused by their thinking. We're less than a year now from the election. Just let us decide and the Democrats are playing into the president strengths here because because as they make Elizabeth Warren the nominee and the poll show Elizabeth. Warren would lose to the president. The Democrats pushed impeachment. Just give him an argument of listen. They're trying to get rid of me. Because they beat Elizabeth Warren and that again build a feedback loop last takeaway here Georgia's not on the list. There are for a Lotta people who want to make Georgia happen for the Democrats including Stacey Abrams. George is not on the list Georgia may become a battleground state. But it's not going to be a swing state. Georgia certainly has issues. The Republicans cannot take advantage of Georgia. They can't take it for granted but it's not going to be a swing state. It's GonNa be a battleground state in that. Democrats will put money into Georgia to make Republicans play here so that Republicans can't spend money elsewhere. It's a chess game. If the Democrats have more money than the Republicans the Democrats put money into Georgia to force the Republicans to put money in Georgia. So Republicans can't put money somewhere else. That's that's the nature of Georgia right. Now Georgia is going to be a money sink for the candidates. George is not actually going to be employed for the Democrats except to the extent that their world state legislative seats in the suburbs. You know there's a big list out today that the top ten most Vulnerable House Democrats Lucy. Macbeth is none of the top ten. The Republicans are not making a huge play to pick off. Lucy McGrath right now. They may later but they're not right now but the Democrats do understand fundamentally that Georgia is not a swing state it's just a state where they can make republicans nervous about the state legislature for redistricting thirteen to force Republican money into the state and keep it out of other areas. It is all Georgia's strategic game for the Democrats in terms of money not actually in terms of votes. The governor has added more to his health. CARE plan changes. I want to talk about his health. Care Plan When we come back just given the the dynamics of it I I want to hold it because this is a short segment you know let me let me deviate from the my show outline of what I was GonNa talk about right now. I want to mention this So I I took a break this weekend. reason I wasn't here yesterday. I do not do vacations. Well You you talk to any member of my family and they will attest to you that I am a complete workaholic. I I really am blessed that I love my job. The the problem is that it. It often often interferes with my work life balance with my family. And it's going to be mindful love that I could sit in my office the entire day in work and right and Dan in read and and do show prep and completely ignore that. I've got a family on the other side of the door. It is. It is something that I struggle with and I have been in inordinately stressed out. You know launching this show The it's not easy to launch a show like this particularly. We're not working with syndicator. We're doing it all ourselves. Where our own on ads world affiliate relations Trying to grow the show in addition to maintaining another show and a website. And and all this other stuff a it's it's been stressing me out so some good friends of mine just finally decided you know what we're taking you on a trip We went out West for for three days four days and end confiscated my electronics. From me I could not work. All I could do was have a good time and it is. It's something I needed You'll I spend my entire day. I mean my personal motto is why pray when I can worry and I got a little worrying in my life and it was nice to be distracted from all of it for a few days. I needed I needed the richer now. The downside is that I was on the West out west in all the coasts. It was precisely but I was in the Pacific Time Zone. which has got me thoroughly? Messed up today Benadryl. Last night to go to sleep. I'm still feeling the lag affects to some degree of it. My brain brain fog slowly lifting here as kind of a cloudy day outside. I can see how the window but man. It was necessary that the ability to unplug for just a few days in not think about everything that's going on Mattered and it was nice to be with friends as a to do that with WHO. I wasn't the guy on the radio to them. I was just afraid of their It's it's been a hard thing to get used to beat on. TV and radio a he in some cases developing friendships with people who view. Moore's the guy on the radio than just someone they WANNA hang out with and all we did was hang out We watched I do not recommend it. You would be horribly offended but the movie Good boys I found to be hysterical And sat on the couch on Saturday. Night with a buddy of mine and we watch that movie and died laughing the entire time. And and that's why I haven't done anything like this in Gosh on it I I. I don't know that I've done anything like this before. And he was just not gonNA start making this a yearly thing. It was a lot of fun. So I highly recommend the actually unplugging talking. I can now say I've practiced what I'm preaching because I've always been someone to tell people yet. Unplug you gotTa get away from the office and I can say it in with the knowledge is that is not something I actually do. I'm a hypocrite when it comes to that and now I've been forced to do it for a weekend and it was absolutely worth doing Just to clear your mind and stop worrying about stuff and I could feel the worries creeping back in on the plane ride home. But I've kept them at bay for you today. Now when when we come back governor Brian Kemp he is expanding his healthcare plan options. 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Shoot me an email eric at the resurgent Dot Com We do all sorts of ads and stuff here Okay we need to to move into the governor's healthcare plan. I'm trying to pull up. Where is the AJC story? I headed up a minute ago. I've got the story up. I mentioned in the first hour. I WANNA mention it again again Because I knew where we're all over the state of Georgia now. There are elections. If you're listening to my voice right now and it is before seven PM. Liam that's when polls close in Georgia if you're listening to my voice now and it just before seven pm go vote The odds are your city has a municipal support election or a spouse today More likely than not it does and you can go vote There is also the Brunch Bill. The MIMOSA bill. Some call it. It would allow restaurants that serve alcohol to begin serving as early as eleven. Em The state made this a local issue and some cities cities and counties have rejected it but They're gonNA try here are the places Thirty one areas of the state that have this on the ballot today again. You vote against it if you oppose it but The issue is can restaurants that serve alcohol start serving as early as eleven. AM on a Sunday. This is the the hipster Brunch bill to allow the hipsters. While you'RE IN CHURCH THEY WANNA go drink their mommas at the local applebee's so let them if you want here here are the places Albany Albany as my wife would correct me. Berkeley Lake Kiro. Carter's Ville CENTERVILLE CLARKSVILLE CLEVELAND. Cornelia Covington coming to Ke- Ula dellagha in Lumpkin County. Dartey County Emerson you. Harley Hampton Henry County Hiram Lee County Lilburn Locust Grove mcdonagh Monroe. Moro Newnan nor cross. Rome stockbridge Valdosta Watkins Villain White County. there are also in the Athens Clarke County area. There's a lost. I think that's on the ballot today. The lot of counties have splice on the ballot today they put them on the ballot. Interestingly enough in odd numbered years more often the not because you have such a low turn out in odd numbered years only the people who really want the rest of us to pay higher taxes. Turn out and show up at the polls calls to vote for the lost. They put them on these ballots to make sure that's happening now. They're also elections in other parts of the country Louisiana Kentucky Mississippi. The Virginia's Virginia State legislature is up on the ballot. Today Democrats expected to completely take over the state legislature Virginia The media is going to be making the some of the racists. Keep in mind though. Are I'm sorry the Louisiana Gubernatorial race. It's next week. It's not this week. It's Kentucky and Mississippi. Today Matt Bevin the President's. It's been campaigning for him. The Democrat in Kentucky was expected to be widely ahead of him and collapsed at the last minute the Democrats in in in Kentucky divided and the Republicans rallying around that Bevan. The president has gone out there and campaign for him. Done big rally there same in Mississippi. Big Rally there as well and We'll see how those racist or not we can talk about him. Tomorrow is the only reason to talk about him as if things go really badly against the Republicans which Democrats are hoping otherwise wise. You won't hear any news now. Let's get into the governor's plan for Medicaid. There are criticisms already that the governor will not cover sure enough of the poor here. Here's essentially what you need to know. The people who get screwed the most in healthcare in this country are the working. Poor the the people who have jobs and they can't get benefits under obamacare. The obamacare disincentivize poor people working and the reason being is because the healthcare costs for the working poor people who have a job and make less than thirty thousand dollars a year. The healthcare costs for those people went up and the taxes on those people went up at a higher percentage of of earnings than for anyone else to pay for people who don't work to get healthcare. That's the reality of it The people who don't work mark who need healthcare they go onto Medicaid. There are working poor people in this country who they don't qualify for Medicaid because they have a job that puts them outside of certain poverty criteria for Medicaid and they need health insurance and obamacare cost their costs to go up and the media dances rather subjects. The Democrats Democrats deny it's true but every objective study has shown repeatedly that the working poor in this country had their healthcare costs. Go up more than anyone else because of Obamacare so the governor wants to deal with that situation and according to the HEC tens of thousands of poor Georgians could receive Medicaid or subsidized subsidized employer. Health Insurance under the second part of a wide-ranging proposal by the governor unveiled Monday seeking to reveal health care costs. Now you should know tomorrow evening gene. I'm going to interview the governor so on Thursday. I'll bring you the audio of our interview here talking about his health. Care Waiver in stuff that they're calling this is Georgia pathways proposal. One of the things that the governor intends to do is require that these people people who get it. They're either working or volunteering. His proposal it's known as an eleven fifteen waiver goes after the state's poorest residents targets them to give them health care. There are four hundred eight thousand adult Georgians who make less than the federal poverty limit which is about twelve thousand dollars a year. Sure but they do not qualify for Medicaid. The governor estimates a fraction of those about fifty thousand people will be enrolled under his plan. They need coverage but they've run out of realistic options. We will shake up the status quo give four hundred eight thousand Georgians the opportunity to purchase affordable health insurance. We will bring hope to what me think is a hopeless situation. The way that they intend to deal with this is they want to extend Medicaid Eligibility eligiblity to people who have jobs or are enrolled in schools or are engaged in specific types of community service with nonprofits To help the poor lift it themselves out of poverty. Essentially the governor's position is that we should be helping the deserving poor at now I gotta get into a history lesson with you here and I don't mean bore you The the poor in this country used to be divided into two categories the deserving poor and the undeserving poor. Those are cold terms if you go back. Dr Franklin Delano Roosevelt though Franklin Roosevelt would talk about the the working the deserving poor or the working poor. Now what's the difference. Ruined the deserving poor in the undeserving poor well. Franklin Roosevelt talked about this. There are those who through no fault of their own. Have Physical or mental impairment meant or other situations that that occur in life that have put them behind and made them poor and we have an obligation to help those people get get back up on their feet and back into the workforce you know. If we're all of Franklin Roosevelt's problems were things. Roosevelt recognize that there is value to hard work and trying to get people work. I mean that was the whole point of the new deal during the recession during the depression was to put people into work not just give government handouts but actually give people jobs even who is the government paying them to dig ditches so that they could earn money. There was something soul fulfilling work. You know I mean not to get the illogical here but we see this in the garden of Eden. The Garden of Eden in is God's vision for our relationship between man and God and one of the things God told Adam and Eve was to tend to the garden. There was work when when we get to the new heavens and the new earth. There's going to be work. We're going to have jobs because there's something so rewarding about work. Will you be able to take time off. Yes we'll be the most enjoyable valuable job you've ever had absolutely. I guess I'll talk radio. Show host to Devon it is. It is a wonderful I. I couldn't ask for better job but there will be work. We see. This is the garden of Eden There's something that the Democrats many of the Democrats I think have forgotton And it is reflected their scripture jobs. Working does something and for you working shows you have a level of self worth working shows you you can survive and take care of yourself working shows you Teaches you an ethic at teaches as you and honesty it teaches you with fair. Play and Franklin Roosevelt used to talk about the deserving poor the deserving poor worth throws who for no fault of their own. We're we're on hard times and we needed to help them so we would always have to help others. We could just help get them back on their feet and then there were the undeserving. Poor the people who made terrible life choices and then want to bail out for their own choices in those were the people. The government was going to help during the Johnson Administration and the the Great Society. Eddie Johnson decided that in a country as wealthy as ours. We needed to ditch the distinction between the deserving poor and the undeserving poor. It was just the poor so whether you deserved it or not. The government was going to bail you out governor. Kill it. His plan. I think is more realistic. And what's happening in what needs to happen. There are people who through no fault to their own through physical or mental defect or bad things happening in life have fallen on hard times eggs and there are those with physical mental defect. who were always going to have to help? And those people by larger eligible Zwolle for Medicaid and the government will help keep them on their feet or keep them sustained knowing they're not actually going to be able to work but then there are others who in hard times for lack of education for one of a college degree or high school diploma. They're working to try to make ends meet their barely making ends meet and they can't afford healthcare now because obamacare really did impact those people negatively. So the governor's saying you know what we're GONNA help those people as long as they're working or or they're volunteering. We will subsidize their healthcare costs. There are four hundred eight thousand of these people. The governor actually thinks about fifty to sixty thousand. We'll take advantage of it but one of the things they're going to do. is they. Want to require a job and it should tell you everything you need to know about the left that they're challenging that aspect of it. They don't believe you should have to work for your healthcare. They believe it is right. See this is why the left is fighting this. They fundamentally believe healthcare is a right that you should be able to get it no matter what. So if you're tying healthcare to working that means it's a privilege it's not right. It's it's something you get because you've done something else and they they don't like that and they wanNA fight it and they're probably GONNA tied up in court and some progressive Cortra- say wait a second. You can't tie healthcare to work. The governor's doing it slightly differently. Hoping he can get around rounded essentially what a lot of states did is they did these big plans and they decided it was too much so they wanted to scale it back by adding a work requirement to narrow the people after they'd already given it of course you're like wait a order given this people you can't help her tail it by making work so camp out of the gate is saying we're GonNa make you work out of the gate on this now. Let me read some of the JC on this proposal one part seeks to lower our insurance premiums by setting aside three hundred million dollars in public money the government could pay two insurance firms to cover high cost claims the second piece would also shift two point seven billion dollars dollars in subsidies from federal state control to reduce costs to lower income policyholders. Each of the waiver. Proposals must be approved by the federal government. No guarantee that will happen but they hope so. The proposals also have to stay in court. Scrutiny no simple task because of a series of federal lawsuits that have forced states overall overall how they handle health benefits tied to employment. The revamp will stiff criticism from Democrats and healthcare advocacy ESI groups who say nothing. Short of full Medicaid expansion will cover hundreds of thousands of uninsured Georgians boost the state's economy and shore up the flagging network rural hospitals. It's also met criticism from advocates of waivers. That do more than would grady memorial hospital said. They're deeply disappointed. The governor wants to move quickly though. Oh and there will be a public commenting period now here. Here's what the governor proposes Recipients would have to show eighty hours of activity a month that could be through a job involuntary and community service. Vocational Training fulltime post-secondary education or a limited set of other activities the time would have to be documented in qualify under state guidelines under the state's guidelines community service won't qualify as a registered nonprofit. Taking care of sick relatives would not be eligible. This is not a free hand out. They say Kim's CBS AIDS project that the fifty thousand or so residents that the waiver would cover would change from year to year as they cycle up out of Medicaid and into private insurance available through Bama care to working class owners. His administration pegs the cost for the first year of the program at one hundred twenty eight million dollars with the state on the hook for thirty six million the federal government covering the rest. That's less than half of what the governor expects to put toward his initiative for high income insurance customers which expected cost one hundred four million dollars in the first year. The point is not not to throw money at the problem of the uninsured poor but to push recipients towards full-time employment in other words the governor in offering offering this healthcare plan to the working poor who don't qualify for Medicaid is trying to incentivize them to develop their work ethic and get into the private workforce to boost their income to boost their ability to get healthcare insurance. This is again one of the fundamental differences between left and the right in this country. Right now you know E.. I I I hear all the time now. The left say quoting Jesus the poor. You shall always half and that's true but what Jesus did not say as will always have the exact same poor people just. We'll have the the class of people known as the poor. The left seems to interpret that as the same poor people are always going to be poor and ah the they preclude themselves believing that these poor people could advance of the income ladder and move into the middle class and the upper middle class and improve their livelihood. Republicans on the other hand thing that yes. We will always have the poor but it doesn't have to be the same person we can help. The person who is classified as poor get a job get better earnings and become middle class. freeing-up a spot of subsidy and help for the government for the next person to come through and will elevate that person and this will become a feedback loop where we elevate the poor into the middle. The class and constellations new poor people come in we elevate them to the middle class. Those people that jittery taxes that help us cover the the poor come after them. That seems to me the smarter thinking here but Democrats are just give it up on the idea that you could ever get out of being bore. In as a result their entire structure for government programs is that we should keep the poor always comfortable after bottle it never feeling there need to improve their lot. Life and governor campus. Say you know what we should incentivize people to improve their lot life and get them off the government dime if we can because there will be other people who need it. That seems responsible. Seems outrageous. Democrats would oppose this this where we are in this country man. y'All WanNa Watch heads explode slowed. The president is coming to Atlanta on Friday to launch a new African American coalition. It's going to have an event at the Georgia World Congress Center. Totally GONNA screw up traffic on a Friday afternoon in Atlanta But he's also going to be doing a big high dollar or fundraiser. In buckhead to support David Purdue. Now why is he doing this. Well if you haven't heard turns out that Black Americans are employed at a higher rate. Now that at any time really in American history I think at least since World War Two. So He's expected to highlight statistics that show low unemployment rates for black workers an opportunity zone program tucked into the tax cut legislation. That's designed to encourage investors I to put money into struggling areas. He picked Atlanta for the rollout because of its role as an epicenter of black life in the region fast growing black population. According to using your White House official. The vice president is set to address the crowd as well. Republicans face a daunting challenge wooing black voters in Georgia. Ninety four percent of black voters backed Abrahams over kippen last year's race. The national data is grim to in two thousand sixteen. Only eight percent of black voters cast their ballot for trump. According forty two thousand Eighteen Pew Research Center Poli eight percent of black voters identifies Republican in a recent poll said only four percent of black voters think Donald Donald Trump's actions and policies have benefitted black people. But he's GonNa try and I'm I'm I'm not opposed to him doing it I listen I let me put this myself in trouble Yeah that's me talking to myself whispering out loud on the microphone to you guys Okay AH yeah I'M GONNA say this and I'm going to apologize in advance because some of your route to be really early offended with me. A lot of the black support that the president has can sometimes haimes come across as a little nuts slightly. FRINGY I don't mean to be negative but I'm just telling Linnea You when you look at a lot of support. The president has in minority communities. It is extremely zealous support. They they clearly loved the man But it also comes from a lot of people who seem to be a little eccentric and what I think. Republicans Publican's have to do is they have to seem a little less eccentric and honestly a friend of mine has pointed this out before that if you look at the the Progressive Christian groups oops who support Democrats on the left there will inevitably people come out and say they're Christian they support Elizabeth Warren. And they'll be Wackadoo for g people on that side and they'll be slightly eccentric in their support. And you see this with the president and I look. I don't mean it to be disparaging. I don't mean to be rude. I'm just trying to be honest with you guys. If you're going to support the president try not to look like a nut job. It doesn't matter what your race is. I I realized that the zealous supporters out. There they love him they want to get his face tattooed on they. They WANNA do a rap on their car. That has the president's face all over I get it but I'm just telling you to normal people. A lot of that sort of stuff can be off off putting the president really wants to make a go of building this coalition surround himself with good people who aren't off putting to other people Because they look like they're in a Colt. That's that's my diplomatic way of dealing with this issue. I hope you understand what I mean. Let the listener understand. You'll I would like to think quip for sponsoring this week. Show y'all I love Mike. Whip toothbrush. I bragged about it forever. I continue to brag about quip because it is a great toothbrush. In fact I took a trip this this past weekend Microsoft went with me. Obviously he goes with me everywhere and I really do get two minutes. Brush my teeth now. If you're not familiar with QUIP QUIP is actually. It's the size of regular the truth. Brush it works on two AAA batteries. They send you the battery are one AAA battery. 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Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four a two five. We got some problems out there for the Democrats You got the polling. You got a medicare for role not helping them. And you've got well. Let me just play a couple of segments for meet the press. Listen to this but it was remarkable. We just played a clip of you from October. Seventy three eight months later or do we. That's full that's nearly ten months before Nixon resigned. We're at that same points in. We're expecting to have an impeachment inquiry in vote and trial island all that done the next six to eight weeks everything else. It's all more speeded. Up was then instrumentation time everything. Nixon held onto office after. Bob Haldeman gone to jail after John Ehrlichman was going to jail John. Dean was going neither as principal aides. They're all going to jail and then start stuff starts to leak how that closely ties Nixon to the whole cover John. Dean's at one point. He was the offers thirty five times. When we talked about this cover up and yet he was able to hang on? I think in part because the system took it was a more deliberate process as a more deliberate methodical process. They've sped ended up. Well there's a problem with their speed. The public imagination is not caught up to listen to this from meet the press. We went out and tried to find some voters guys to talk about impeachment. We we had a bring it up to them. Here's what they told us just a waste of time. You kids quite a tomboy. Look I think we have a system to checks and balances and the wish work. Is that You know the House the Senate should do what is set out in the constitution a bed the document and there is absolutely nothing concerning to me one president to absolutely elaine. These were in the early states. Yeah Yeah they are yes yes yes they are. They're having to go out and bring it up to the voters for the voters care about. It's not just them to listen to this from CNN. Now Wisconsin Democrats. I'd say they knocked on more than fifty thousand doors just this weekend. That is double the number. That trump won the Wisconsin by two thousand sixteen. And here's some instant polling for for you. Jake I asked the party just now. Did anyone bring up impeachment. And they said No. It is not something that Democrats are bringing up. Organically plane in Wisconsin. The they've knocked on more wars than Donald trump than votes. Donald Trump. One in Wisconsin and the Democrats are not naughty knbr the Democratic voters the ones. They're doing this for. They're not even bringing up impeachment when you've got Democrats admitting they're not bringing up impeachment. The is really striking. The problems that they're having. It's not only that listened to this. This is Erin an elmore talking on CNBC about this data point. That's gone overlooked by Democrats saying for the President you would say and we saw it in the Poli- I think the New York Times. CNN College Point today is that if he does pull much better in these key battleground states he does he does nationally. And you know what else is interesting. I was looking at who women are donating their money to all the male candidates at eight forty six percents for trump forty for Biden and in the thirties. Four Buddha Jack. Donald trump forty six percent of the money women are giving to male candidates is going to donald trump. He's getting more money than Joe. Biden or Bernie Sanders or Pete Buddha footage donald trump is getting more money than from women in the poll suggests that women don't like Donald Trump and yet the writing him checks righty anymore checks in the art of the Democrats. It's actually pretty interesting. Actually pretty interesting. That we've got this money they're The the way the money is is is being divvied. Up is going to the precedent it's benefiting him and this goes back to who I mentioned battleground polls earlier. I mean listen to this from CNN just give you a kind of reminder of the set the stage here so remember twenty sixteen president presidential campaign. What do we and we saw? Nationwide Hillary Clinton beating down from forty eight forty six but in the six closest states. That trump won that helped determine the Electoral College Arizona Florida Michigan North Carolina Pennsylvania. Wisconsin trump won by point. So let's take a look at these new battleground polls and compare them to what we're seeing nationally and we see a trend line here that is consistent instant what happened in two thousand sixteen so nationwide if you take a look at the average pole for twenty twenty from October we see Biden by sander's up by six worn up. I five but take a look at these six closest states again that trump won in two thousand sixteen according to new pulse from the New York Times Santa College. If you average across the six what do we see we see Biden and plus one. We see Sanders actually losing to trump by one and we see Warren trailing a trump by three points. The president is leading worn in those six battleground states by three points. Yes so to sum up all of this together. The president is beating two of the three three Democrats in these battleground states and Democratic voters in these battleground states. They don't care about impeachment the reporters in Washington or having to bring it up. You know what people care about they care about Elizabeth Warren Healthcare Plan. They care about immigration that they care about our southern border they care about our military the rahm Emanuel who helped get obamacare passed. He's coming out forcefully because the Democrats he's coming under attack from Democrats For denouncing uh-huh Medicaid. For All as he says it's not feasible I still believe every argument about the Not about two percent on people. Earning about fifty million or some type of corruption issue. This issue is not going to happen. And it's not the way you actually are you having done the ACA for Obama kids health care for president as an Clinton the reimportation of pharmaceutical products. In the house. When we'd be Tom delay the politics of this is? She's making this more difficult than it needs to be on the very issue of cost control. It is a pipe dream you are not. We couldn't get when we have fifty eight redemption senators. We couldn't get a public option. What makes you think? And I say this. And the piece Gimme the nine Republicans and that are going to vote for Medicare for all and I will declare New York pizza better than Chicago and it's not going to happen and yet she continues is to push this sabotaging herself in so doing but she believes she believes well. There's another issue happening and and I I need to make sure that we understand what on earth I have no idea what's happening there. Okay I need to discuss. I and I'm sorry I'm I'm seeing texts from my team. Who they're they're they're upset with my monologue? I tried to phrases. This is our. I think you'll know what I mean about. Supporters who step outside The the the their group who support the other side they they tend to be the the unique trendsetters. We'll we'll put it that way We we need to talk about this issue. This is actually a significant issue. It happened overnight. If you're turning on the news this morning you haven't heard about it. I assure you you're going to be hearing about it. This is from the New York Times They put it up this morning at least nine members of a Mormon family in Mexico or killed an ambush. Six children were among the victims of the massacre attributed organized crime relative say other children were rescued. Some of whom hit along the roadside. At least three women and six children and a prominent local Mormon family were killed on Monday when their vehicles were ambushed in northern Mexico. Oh by gunmen believed to be members of organized. Crime Family member said the attack alarmed nation already reeling from record violence of the year members of the Lavar and family dual dual Mexican American citizens. Who have been living in a fundamentalist Mormon community at the border region for decades were attacked in three separate vehicles? When the gunman attack several family members for said they described the terrifying scene in which one child was gunned down while running away while others were trapped inside a burning car? Two of the children killed were less than a year old. The family remember said Kenny. Lebron a cousin of the women driving the vehicle Senate telephone interviews. He feared the death. Toll could grow higher we know there are babies tied in a car seat that are burning because of some twisted evil in the world is just hard to cope with that. Mexico has suffered a string of violent episodes in the last month. Each is devastating and infuriating for citizens is the last President Oberdorf said during a morning news conference on Monday the region where the attack took place has been a very violent area for many years. Let me put this in perspective for you. The area where this violent attack Jack happened killing women and children happened just on the other side of the American border. These are American considerations who were killed. This is not good for Mexico and it almost forces some level of American American response. In fact president trump on Tuesday offered to help Mexico a radical the cartels the president he the these were his tweets. This is is the time for Mexico with the help from the United States to wage war on the drug cartels and wipe them off the face of the earth. We merely await a call from your great new president it the cartels have become so large and powerful. You sometimes need an army to defeat an army it. It doesn't get a lot of coverage from the American press in large part. Because I I I. This is me speculating. It's me speculating. I think the media doesn't cover the collapse of the Mexican state because they're so sensitive to accusations of racism and in the age of Donald Trump. They don't WanNa they don't want to add fuel to the fire of the president's restrictions immigration policies and so they're not giving people people really the full picture of what's going on in Mexico. The reality is the Mexican state is collapsing. It is failing there are Mexican communities that have been wholly cut off from the outside world so to speak Not Not physically cut off but just in terms of governmental the middle structure and communications. They're having to take matters into their own hands. Establishing their own local armies and law enforcement They're not sending taxes to the Mexican government because the Mexican government isn't helping them they're using that money that local communities the Mexican drug cartels are are being helped by an open border. And this again goes to why I think so. Much of what the media covers is slanted is because the media can't believe that the open border between between Mexico and the United States is having an impact but in fact the Mexican drug cartels ability to spill drugs over to this country. Easily over the border is is one of the major issues that Mexico was having it is propping up the drug cartels. You close the border. You have a financial impact on the Mexican drug cartels. It's one reason the president resin wants to do it. You know what actually. Interestingly enough Caused the problems with Mexican drug cartel legalization of recreational marijuana in this country has hurt. The Mexican drug cartels tells They were growing so much marijuana in Mexico to smuggle across into the American Across the American Border Win California. Colorado Washington state Alaskan others legalized the growing marijuana for sale marijuana. It's suddenly cut into their profit margin because domestic American marijuana was hurting the drug cartels so the the drug cartels have responded by focusing on other drugs harder substances heroin cocaine crack Amphetamines felonies methamphetamines Illegal prescriptions things. Like that that they're pushing across the border to try to make up for the loss of sales of marijuana in the United States and they're they're pushing out a bunch of cocaine into the United States rich white people drug Mexico is is in a civil war. They don't want to call it that they don't want to admit that their state is collapsing but there are areas of Mexico. The government is unable to function in and some of those areas are increasingly along the American border in the eighteen. Hundreds we send American generals into Mexico with the American army tanks to subdue outlaw Mexican gangs that were harassing American citizens in Mexico. There Chris Precedent for an American incursion into Mexico. We just had an American family massacred in Mexico. Now will it matter that they're also Mexican citizens maybe but this is another reminder of the violence on the border right on the border American citizens nine of them. Women and children gunned down. Children shot in the back as they tried to run away. Women murdered burned alive in their cars. This demands an American response in as long as our borders unsecure as long as the Mexican drug cartels can get into this country so easily. The situation is not going to change. The president has good arguments for border security and this in and of itself off could become a campaign issue. What did I tell you? The didn't entire monologue on this evince matter events matter more than demography everyone of the left thinks demography is destiny. No events or destiny you got American citizens being gunned down along the border in Mexico you have the the Mexican drug cartels increasing hostility towards the United States and in Mexico these these sorts of things matter when it comes presidential campaign particularly when the Democrats are so focused on healthcare and and other issues outside of our hemisphere and this is our own backyard backyard. It matters and the president has an opportunity to do something about it. He's probably not going to miss that opportunity so the Atlanta Journal Constitution and the ACLU Georgia are at odds over the voter registration purge the ACLU says it identified seventy seventy people. It claimed voted in November eighteen But are targeted for cancellation. And so there's proof set wave. They found seventy people on the list of the three hundred thirteen thousand two hundred forty three people who are to be purged from the voter rolls therefore they say the voter roll. Liz canceling legitimate people. There is a problem though. There's a problem The Secretary of State's Office did not list though seventy people on the list to be purged. Essentially what the ACLU did is they. They ran numbers and they found seventy people who were likely to be on the list and they're not actually on the Persian the ACLU as using those seventy people likely to be on the list as proof the purchase flawed and the Atlanta Journal Constitution is calling the Aclu out this let me read this paragraph the ACO you based its findings on voting records from a month after the twenty eighteen election but a more recent state voting list list obtained last month by the JC shows that no voters who have cast ballots sets since September two thousand sixteen will be cancelled. Now here's the interesting thing of the three hundred thirteen thousand people the AJC has now confirmed sixty. Two percent went sixty. Two percent of them have moved either to different states or two different counties. Ace another words to the AJC. They're only one hundred twenty thousand five hundred sixty one. Registration set cancellation That are matched voters. Who Haven't cast a ballot since the spring of two thousand twelve or before who appeared onto a move? So we're talking two hundred twenty thousand five hundred sixty one. People whose ballots could be cancers voter-registration nation will be cancelled and they haven't voted. Since at least the primaries of twenty twelve election officials believed most to them have still moved out of state. People have the opportunity to go find them but again the AJC is pointed out that all the ACLU's hysteria over the numbers many of the seventy people identified by the ACLU as questionable cancellations Shinzo and these are people who who may not be cancelled. They appear to have moved away. They filed change of address forms. Their mail was undeliverable or their property. Records show their homes have been sold some of those who have participated in recent elections told WSB TV in Atlanta that they have no intention of voting. And don't care that they're being removed from the state's rules. What how can this be? We're told that the right to vote is sacrosanct. And everyone should do it. Everyone does want to do it and yet here come people say what did you say. We don't want to vote anyway. This is this is manufactured outrage by Democrats Democrats in the ACLU's complacent river the ACLU made a really big stink about the polling places. All what was the county in south Georgia. I can't remember the county name now. County and south was a white carrying China have been White County controlled by Majority Black Democrats. The board of elections run by Democrats and they were closing polling precincts casings and end the ACLU never bothered to point out that the polling precincts that were being close were the ones that the Republicans kept winning. The ones that the Democrats won were. The polling places is that we're going to be kept open. They were closing precincts. That didn't comply with the Americans with Disabilities Act because the county's too poor to make the upgrades to comply so they were going to do is consolidate the counties and the ACLU made a big about it they in the Abrahams campaign. They claimed that this was all part of brand kept trying to suppress the vote. which is what they're trying to do? NL But the Jaycees actually gone through. They've run the numbers they've done the data and it turns out that of the names that the ACLU came up with this people who are going to be unfortunately cancelled they weren't even on the list assed but they had all moved out of state. The state of Georgia is not going to cancel someone's voter registration. Unless they haven't voted in seven years or they have moved out of state if they've moved out of state they're voting in those states. There's no the reason to keep them on the roles and the JC looked at the numbers of this three hundred thirteen thousand people. A hundred hundred ninety some odd thousand of them have moved out of state eight or they've moved to a different county register now in that county. We're only talking one hundred twenty thousand people who we can't find the J. C.. went out and found some of them and guess what they had the audacity acidy to say they're not gonNa vote anyway so they don't care. You're not supposed to say stuff like that. I need to apologize to my audience. I Set the recipe. The sweet potato pie recipe to go out on Friday in the night headed off on a guys weekend and apparently did not go out and I only I just now realized it so I will send out the sweet potato pie recipe As quick as I can I was actually going to so The if you're just tuning in welcome at his Eric Erickson here and you can call in eight seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five. I have had a series vacations this year and I have wound up working on every single one of those vacations and I have not actually had a vacation. Where completely unplugged in? I don't know I don't know that I've had vacation where I've completely unplugged and and this weekend some buddies of mine decided they were taking me to Vegas They took care of everything All I had to do a show up and I showed up and my electrics were confiscated was not allowed to work I usually could sneak down a little bit but by and large judge I was not allowed to work and I wasn't allowed to watch. The news wasn't allowed to go places where the news was on. I was completely prohibited and it was glorious. I I really now realize I've done it now. I've done it I survived. The world did not end. I can actually. I can do this. I can go away I can spend time with friends and family and not have to work and it was great But I've been playing catch up on the plane ride home yesterday trying to play catch up As the worries in in work stresses began to steal back in being more and more mindful of how important it is to actually have friends you can relate to and have conversations with and enjoy each other's company and not make it all about work. I was actually telling the body mind this weekend that Charlie my producer. I I gotta catch myself because I find myself obsessing and when you're talking about work with Charlie all the time and He's a friend I I feel like I'm burning him by wanted to talk about work all the time. Of course he he does too but at the same time you know what I mean We it it's just it's hard sometimes to check out of work particularly if like me you love your job. Audit is what you think about. It consumes a great portion of your time but I been finding more and more in the last year that I am putting work ahead of even family and I'm bad at practicing what I preach in that regard because I'm constantly thinking about work. The growth of the show would affiliates doing your target. What advertiser doing talk? We're going to get advertisers. How's the Revenue Stream And I don't have a great businesses myself and the it is. I've realized I've got a surround myself with people who have a better business than I do. because I can show up and talk and I I know and the ratings prove it then I can sit down and I can have a conversation with you guys by the microphone and it is in in some way entertaining and meaningful enough to people that they wanna tune in every day and listen to it in and I appreciate you guys very much for doing that. Particular show this new and a lot of stations are no no longer getting the calls. Wanting to know why the voice that I replaced as to longer there They've got me and they're getting used to it and I appreciate it and and I value it I really do. But that's what I WANNA do. I want to be on camera. I want to be on the microphone. I WANNA talk. I wouldn't want to keep people company. I WANNA make sure. They know they're not alone. Sort of the the whole purposes of what I do in radio and listen a lot of people that you can just show up on radio read the headlines or whatnot and that's it but no you you've got to at least make it compelling you gotTa make people learn something You gotta be a place where smart people can get even smarter. You got to be a place where people can be entertained. You keep him company on the ride home or on the ride to work or when in their in their office and the board and they don't WanNa talk to their co workers they turn me on. And who's that voice in your office so I appreciate it. It's it's doing radio something I never expected to do. I fell into it completely by accident but along the way I have realized that it e- my strong suit suit is. I can sit down and I can talk until I'm blue in the face about a topic and try to make it as engaging as I possibly can But I do not have the the business business depth or since it's not my background Yes I was a corporate lawyer. I could incorporate businesses I can do it with my eyes closed still and I can help get people in the right direction but I need other people to help me get in the right direction. That's one reason I like my Buddy Chris. Birds over a dynamic money which by the way I should say. This hour is sponsored. Obser- by dynamic money If you WANNA get yourself and sound financial footing go talk to Chris. Burns at dynamic money the basically think of him him as a general physician for your finances where he's not GonNa make a commission off of you selling you products. But he's going to go get with Your Life Insurance Guy Your lawyer your state guy your stocks and bonds guy your your retirement planner. He's going to get them all together. Make sure they're all the same page so that he's got a plan for you for life to to get you in financial shape and he's GonNa work with those people if you want him to manage your money in full disclosure. My wife and I let Chris Manage our money He'll do it but he doesn't have a two. You can keep it with Fidelity Merrill Lynch wherever vanguard and he'll just get your right strategy growing and moving forward so go to dynamic money dot com if you need help ease like Daveramsey Dave Ramsey. But he'll let chiefs credit card. But so Chris and Charlie Philip just having people that I can talk to about business is you got to have people who are experts in areas. You're not I'm on an email list right. Nell were of this Mexican story. That I was talking about is circulated and there actually is some very interesting data about the family in Mexico that They they're nuts farmers in northern Mexico and they've lived in the area for a very long time time They had some very big business deals there and there are others who were tried to cut into their business. Deals It just it's it's. There's a rivalry taking shape south of the border. There's gang violence south of the border. And it seems that the American media has a hard time figuring out how they're gonNA deal with it because they don't WanNa play into Donald Trump's hands because they're so against the president's immigrations plans is difficult to get the truth out of what's happening in Mexico because I think if people understood what was happening in Mexico they would be more concerned turned in more willing to agree with the president that the border needs to be secured then so the media is essentially trying to downplay stories in Mexico of violence in order to avoid avoid. The president's immigration plans getting traction. And that's something. We should all be concerned about now. I I need their circle. Back to the issue of Aaron Calvin and cancel culture. Aaron Calvin is the reporter who worked for the Des Moines Register. Sister and Aaron Calvin did a profile of who he calls local celebrity Carson King and it cost him MS job. Carson King is the twenty something who stood up on ESPN and held up a sign saying send me beer money and had his vin Mo- number Where people could send him a text and he could get beer money me and he got over a million dollars from people by holding up that sign and he decided to partner with local children's Hospital comporting with the local children's hospital He would give them money. Anheuser Busch partnered with him. They were GonNa make even more money. They were GONNA put his name on cans and then Aaron Calvin showed up. Let me read you a little bit of Aaron Calvin who wrote the profile of Carson King. We King announced that his fundraiser had crossed the million dollar mark. I decided to write a longer profile of him. I drove out to his home Minna suburb of Des Moines. I've been talking with King via Facebook Messenger. But this was my first time meeting him in person he was unable and struck me as a genuinely kind. And well-meaning person as I began writing an editor requested that I run a background check on King. This is standard practice at the register as it is for many newspapers when reporting on public figures. I looked at King's court records as well as public social media and I found a few racist jokes. He tweeted in highschool in context. I could see these had been references to sketches is by the comedian Daniel. Tosh I told my editor about the tweets. It was asked to reach out to king for comment. I believe this was the right thing to do. Performing background checks on public figures is part of a journalist responsibility responsibility. If I had found the tweets others would too I approach king with an understanding. That what you tweet in highschool is not necessarily representative of your beliefs as adults and he duly apologized apologized. I included a brief mention of the offensive tweets and kings apology toward the end of my profile. It was a small moment placed in context of the end of a positive story. The tweets were part of a narrative of growth maturity and compassion. Not An accusation. gotcha moment when I asking about his tweets. I try to communicate. I wasn't trying to bring him down. It was clear to me now though that he was worried about personal blowback blowback as is common in the world of celebrity. Pr He moved to get ahead of the details that would be revealed in the profile. He held a press conference and he. I apologize publicly in a statement given to the local television statements. He noted a register reporter had brought the tweets to his attention. I was not provided the statement. I don't believe kings out implicate me but because he preempted my forthcoming profile. People believed I hadn't intended intended to impugn his character. You know what I can stop reading this garbage. This guy welled up losing his job by by sabotaging king. I want to again and read you a couple of key phrases in here the standard practice at the moines register it just as it is for many newspapers win reporting on public figures performing background checks on public figures is a part of a journalist responsibility but this Guy Carson King is not a public figure. He's a guy who held up a sign on TV. Asking for beer. Money in the media made him famous in this time and time again is what the media does it builds the people up it makes them famous than it seeks to destroy them in. This guy can't seem to understand that he played a role in. He doesn't think it's his fault but not only that he doesn't WanNA still acknowledge that cancel culture exists in fact. He says he was fired. He wasn't canceled. He was fired. But that's the whole point of it. I maybe he takes it to literally. The word cancelled will love not cancelled. I'm still here. No no kid. You're cancelled the media has fired you and good luck getting a job. He's happy go As an act dependents to the Columbia Journalism Review and right from his side. How he did nothing wrong? And and and he's he's he's a he's a fallout from people going after but he wasn't canceled but he was. Maybe it's cognitive dissonance. I don't know But this guy blew up another person and he got caught in the fallout of his own story. What's interesting is that one? He can't recognize that the person he covered wasn't a public figure. This guy's job Darren Calvin at the register he's the guy who got Calvin who who sabotage Carson King. The kid who got a million dollars beer money by holding up Asahi's Bien and donated to the hospital and Aaron Calvin One cannot accept that Carson King is not a famous person. He can't accept he's not a public person a public personality because his face was on. TV He must be a public persona and therefore east fair game to be covered including clean. All the stuff he did in high school is fair game. Except he's not he's not a public person and this guy doesn't doesn't understand it not only that he doesn't understand that yes the mob did come for for him. He can't accept the mob came for him either. The reason he can't is because he was on social media before all this happened and he was mocking the idea of cancel culture. That cancel culture doesn't exist that the the whole idea behind counterculture isn't real and yet time and time again. We see that it is real where the left-wing mob tries to get someone taken down taken taking out removed from a job removed from the town square where they can speak truth to power. They're not allowed to anymore. They get thrown off social media. They get thrown off a TV. They get thrown off. Radio Radio They're silenced the silencing of the person is cancelling them. But what's more. He laments that there was no union at the Des Moines Register the head of a union member. I believe I would have been more effectively. Had more effective advocate for myself. The day I was fired. The Department of Justice approved a massive merger between Gannett and Gatehouse forming the largest media corporation. The Nation the gatehouse merger will result in a historic monopoly over local news media. And we'll properly will prompt widespread layoffs. This is a progressive kid. Ed Aaron Calvin. He rejects cancel culture. He thinks people who are punished by the social media mob deserve it. He doesn't think he deserves serves it so he doesn't think he was cancelled. Even though he was anything's unionism would be great. progressivism leaks into this because it is is the logic of an insane asylum. progressivism does not make sense. We're we're still in the early days of shaking out the doctrines voteless and this is part of it. Unions unions are good unions would protect him. Cancel culture isn't real but he got cancelled but he wasn't really cancelled. And what did he do. He turned the social media. Mob Bob against a guy who just wanted beer money and when he got so much he donated it to a local hospital for the children. A guy was literally raising money for children's hospital an errand. Calvin turn the sights of a newspaper on this private citizen and now justifies. It wasn't really a private citizen. He got on TV therefore he must be a public persona. So I guess that e I mean by Aaron Calvin logic anyone who appears on the nightly news has the right to a media rectal exam because a their public figure now they've been on TV. That isn't a standard. Anyone should uphold the fact that this kid justifies work. In that way suggest we're still going to have a long way for the media to go. Oh before it begins to recover. Its own credibility because the media has lost its credibility over stuff like this over reporters like this. The media media has real biopsies. The media has real problems in it affects their coverage of Mexico. It affects their coverage of the president affects coverage of private citizens. Who just happen to get a little bit of spotlight? They go after the sports star Dr in College. Who did something dumb on twitter when they were fifteen years old to try to ruin their career in the name of well? They're famous now. This is what we do to famous people. The media continues to affirm the idea that it loves to build people up to tear them down and now it's beginning to tear the media down and honestly I'm Kinda glad glad I was kinda shocked to see the story in the Wall Street Journal It's a good one though irrelevant to those of us here in Georgia a came out over the weekend. The headline if you can manage waffle house you can manage anything. Running a twenty four hour a budget diners glamorous clamorous but it forces leaders to serve others with speed stamina and zero entitlement. This is a piece by Sam Walker in the Wall Street Journal. He's he's a former reporter and editor the Wall Street Journal and the author of a new book the Captain Class A new theory in leadership and he basically studied lead waffle house and his kicking off point was of a young lady from Georgia who Who headed to college? Decided to get a job at Walmart Let me read you some of this. I it's very very very interesting here. Oh what does it take to be a successful waffle house manager. Speed for one thing to meet the goal of serving every customer eight minutes or less the wait staff doesn't bother punching eighteen orders into a computer they write them down in shorthand code. They read them aloud to cooks the cooks remember them by arranging condoms on empty platters. I always wondered about that. A face Lisa mustard packets signifies a pork chop for example if the restaurant is busy or short-staffed managers dive in the company's training program teaches them how to analyze is profit and loss statements but also prepare them to clean and wait tables now. That may sound like stop watch overkill. But the company's President Wall Walt Emmer spoke on a recent podcast. Doing work is good for business. It helps managers earned the trust and respect of their teams while staying connected to the entire Operation Asian. You learn a lot about what's working and what's not once. They tackle the pace. The next challenges endurance simply put waffle. House never closes. There's a crisis. The middle of the night the manager gets a call in. That's a supreme testament to their stamina's called the waffle house index that Fema uses to assess house bats storm was to encourage retention it offers managers bonuses for keeping turnover low to discourage them from overworking people. It expects stores with high sales figures to have higher hire staffing costs to now. Think about this pause pause pause Walmart tries to keep its employees calls else low so minimal employee hours lots of part time people Generate big sales with large lots of part time. People and Walmart does the White House. Does it exactly the opposite. Your store has high sales figures. You better have high staffing costs. Meaning you better be paying people a good salary to keep them and in keeping them to bring others in to also work part time in your waffle house location. The more sales you do the more they expect you to pay people that that cell uh-huh capitalism what a one but in the twenty first century where people want to offload to computers and whatnot. It's it's not very good of these days and yet that's what waffle house does another interesting

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