29 Burst results for "Zen Masters"
The Anti-Diet With Evelyn Tribole
"Thanks for making time for this. Yeah absolutely how did you get into. Meditation is so bizarre. I have was a securities route The long short story is when my mom was dying of cancer. I had to keep missing sessions with patients and i would tell them. Why didn't they flaky. And so patient might give me a book called mindful grieving and i remember looking at it. They can wine the hell. Do i wanna feel migrelief. I am a ten of sadness and it broke me open. Because i noticed during those times i practice some mindfulness as i knew it back then i was just a little baby meditators off but i noticed there was times is neutral that time to actually was happy even though my mom was dying and so with open something up and then taking this is this is really funny. I took a professional retreat with someone. Who's a zen zen master and a pediatrician as for health professionals. And i'll never forget the second time they made us meditate. I thought i was going to die a call my best friend. They made us meditate two times. And now we're going to go into silence and long story short here i am. I fell in love with meditation. I now trained with dan brown. Who's just an amazing teacher for me. I've never met dan brown. He's at harvard at harvard and the thing that appeals to me. Personally i'm a skeptic. That's what i loved about your story. I'm a skeptic. I'm always the one asking the questions. And because he's also an academic practitioner. He is a very satisfying relationship with my mind. And he's he's just really really gifted and And one of the most homeless persons. I've ever met especially being at harvard. You know so. How did you find him. Oh i got. His book is really really big. Book about the state of meditation. Mahamoud mudra pointing out the way. And i bought it. Put it down five years later. I picked it up and it blew me away. And i had the i realized i had the illusion of his meditating but it was not meditating properly and i thought i've got to go meet this guy. I've got to go train with him and i did. And that's what Just knocked me over. So would you say you weren't meditating properly. But he pointed out the way to do it properly. What with what would the difference. What was the difference there in the technique between with meditation. Your mongols all over the place and one of the techniques he has. I'm gonna decent detail since. I'm not a teacher but he really. Has you practice the awareness of your breath the entire way and really noticing when you leave noticing when you have partial iced concentration in these types of things and so the other thing. I like about him as a teacher when you go into retreat with him. He's there the whole time usually other retreats. I've been a teacher for me about an hour and then there's constant interaction i connected with it very deeply so you when you say you went and met him did you. Just say hey. Can i get a little bit of your time or do you show up and no no no. I showed up to retreats. I signed up and it was so funny was held a monastery so it was like. Oh my god. I'm going in deep here and it was great. It was really really great and i have become. You talked about being ten percent happier. I think i'm a. I'm ten percent better person which makes people around me happy. We're you complex. Before i didn't think i was i didn't think i was reactive and i realize holy moly was so reactive but this thing that has changed with is telling this with dan we just met a couple of months ago is that i have changed. I actually this is gonna sound terrible before. I would do the right thing because you're supposed to but now i actually genuinely care it. It's hard to put into words what this is but this connection and this compassion and talk a lot about the wu stuff the most you stuff and i'm like that and now here i am talking about stuff and it's like oh we have to end all suffering and so this is done in my career you get it. Yeah i'm not. I'm not a person but it has lit my passion for what i do to a level i didn't expect would happen to put an end to unnecessary suffering as it relates to mind and body. Because there's so much unnecessary suffering around eating and body and judgment and shame and you talk about conceptual mind. Oh my gosh. The rules and the concepts and the judgements. That are out there. It's neat to watch people's lives change. You know it's a technique that we created through intuitive eating over twenty five years ago we've updated it all along and the cool thing is there's now research on our method and it just it just warms my heart and ways. I just can't begin to describe. We're going to go deep on diet culture at
Sweeping it All Away
"Morning. You hope your old dame well can you hear thumbs so great. Excellent now so again. Yeah hope you're doing well. With the the covert and everythin- and anything else menu lives just a big. Thank you for those of you really help with fundraising that that really has been touching thank you. We really helps us get by through all these difficulties when it's very difficult to raise money so thank you very much and today i wanted to come another case and this is Case twenty eight of the blue cliff record. And one of the reasons i i picked. The self is a little bit like remind us the way that we did a few weeks ago but also this is why nonsense who was the feature in particular call on basically loses adama conversation with another teacher so it just shows you know. You don't win all the time. And it also highlights some of the some other aspects of the teach him so last week basically. We're just talking about that aspect. To wonder of wonders. I o beings the great earth of the wisdom virtue of the awaken one to us. Of course it's The traditional robot hat sued This this This week The seventh beer eight isn't the eighth being. Let's see tuesday. I guess that that way. So it's important to to reflect on the buddha's on the buddha's life and teachings so wonder if one does i o beings the great earth are the wisdom virtue of the awaken to thus snus and what we tend to deal with more importantly as because var upside down views. We've failed to see it. You know usually the grassi's green elsewhere. You know people things have a better time than than we do. That is always better. Better places to practice in the place that i stand so i mean you can fill in. You can really fill in the blank as to why it isn't like say the awaken life for the buddha's life if you wish. So we're we're more dealing with the socal relative aspect of our own lives the set right from the beginning. So can we swallow somebody else's words in many ways Better not to that a to see for ourselves in in whatever way but it's also important not to rely on our own stories quite often the stories we have about ourselves and our our own life not reflective of reality. This reality not that is fixed. This reality is occurring now wherever we no matter what would do and then the thing is can we really take that teach in the comes on a momentary basis or do we want another one. That may become in lighter so anyway i'll bring up the case and obviously it's tied in with what i'm saying right now not mind though. Buddha miss this got no preamble straight into the main case nonsense cooled on masta. Yakusho navan jaka. Joe asked have the sages. Since time immemorial had a teaching they did not tell anybody nonsense said yes yakhio said. What is the teaching. They did not tell anyone role waiting for the answer. Now and he nonsense said it is not mind it is not buddha. It is not a thing k. Jaka joe said you said it. Nonsense said that's all i know. What a what about you jaka joe said. I'm not a great Zen t cherry data. How would i know whether it has been told on out. So he's he's having a bit of fun here now. You got to see how he says that to him though to could be sarcastic could be could be praising any any way like that nonsense said. I don't understand yucky. Oh said. I've already told you too much so The zen master zim buddhis- nev- a helped people harrison. Why are we doing this. Zan masters in buddha's never help people see kaz past and present run as if racing
What Can We Hold On To?
"I cannot just went. It went to expectations. Then he didn't fail in that way and also to To staff She stolid y'all bouts had trainee to mock who was thrown into tens of did a good job and nobody died. So you know that's always a positive on those lines and say gakuen came up and joined us for the entire training period from the Long beach chess soto's and temple And then everybody that that helped to support it during this period and that gratitude anything like it. It's important because without without people ascend to wouldn't run and obviously for all of you that have participated in whatever way that you could today. I want to talk about. The supreme way knows no difficulty from the blue cliff record case to simply because it seems very reflective reflected with reality so i will start with the with this case then. Hopefully they'll be helpful. As some kind of encouragement so the introduction the universe contracts the sun moon and stars go black even if blows of the cane shall light rain and shouts thunder. The still doesn't measure up to the business of the transcendent methodology of zen. Even the buddhas of the past present and future can only know for themselves. Even the zen masters through the ages have been able to bring it up entirely the entire buddhist. Canon cannot explain it thoroughly. Even zen assists with clear is come. Selves saved themselves completely. When you get to this point how do you ask for instruction even to speak the would. Buddha is dragging in mud soaking wet. Even say the woods then is a total embarrassment. More developed people who have stood it for a long time. Do not need to wait for it to be sad. As for the youngest students who are just beginning they should investigate thoroughly the main case. Joe said the supreme way is has no difficulty it just dislikes choosing a soon as thera would spoken. This is discrimination. This is clarity. I don't. I don't remain within clarity. Can you value this without reservation. The mon cast since you do not remain within clarity. What do you preserve joe shoe said. I don't know that either the monk said since you don't know why do you say you're not in clarity. Joshi said you've posed your question. Now you can go. That's what happens when you've been around for a long time. You can do that kind of thing. Thus the supreme way knows no difficulty. The words australia the speech is straight. One has many kinds to have no duality at the horizon. The sun rises the moon sets before the balustrade the mountains deepen and the water chills when consciousness. The skull how can enjoy exist. The dragons howland. The with the tree is not evaporated difficult. Difficult discrimination or clarity. See for yourself. So that story the case in its entirety. You know one of the one of the things that we tend to zen buddhism in general is that we tend to raise the value of things. So where we say. The supreme way in many
Kryptonite for the Inner Critic With Kristin Neff
"Nice to sue they you for doing this. I've been wanting to talk to you for a while. Actually because i've actually writing a book about kindness right now and i wanna do a chapter about self compassion. So you are the you are the leading experts so before we get to sell compassion. Though i wanna. I wanna hear how you got interested in meditation in the first place right so It was my last year graduate school. I was finishing up my phd at berkeley and basically my life was a mess. I'd gotten out of a divorce. It was a very messy divorce. I was feeling a lot of shame. I'm and i was also feeling a lot of stress not so much about what i finish my phd. But more after seven years of my life. When i get a job the job market was really tight. And so i thought you know. Well i've heard that meditation is is good for stress in berkeley. So right down. The street from me was a meditation group. I was lucky every right down every street. Yeah in berkeley so that you know on every corner but luckily the one. I chose to go to The woman leaving the group it was actually a tick not han sanga reason. It's important is because some meditation teachers. Mindfulness bennett teachers wouldn't necessarily talk about self compassion tic time one thing that's unique about him. He's really emphasizes heart qualities of practice. Vietnamese zen master doesn't talk a lot about compassion. Full stop is but he does in particular right and so i started in his tradition And the very the very first night. I went the woman talked about having compassion for yourself the needed to actively cultivate compassion for yourself as well as others and so i was also learning mindfulness but because my life was such a mess because i was such a mess you know almost immediately i saw the difference it made when i turn myself with this kind of kind. Warm supportive attitude. I just saw my own experience really made a difference. So and then i started practicing more in the insight meditation tradition. I think because. I am a scientists it. It was a little more compatible with my Way of approaching things. But with people like jack cornfield the path with heart. Sharon salzberg loving kindness. So i was always i was always really drawn to the integration of you might say the spaciousness of mindfulness with the heart opening qualities of compassion and i was fortunate because it was their practice from the very beginning and that was about twenty years ago. Let me just jump in and define terms for people. Yes i i just never know. We have a lot of experienced meditators who listen for new folks who are coming every week in once you start to meditate. There are lots of ways to lots away within buddhism. There are. I would say at least two big skills. We're trying to teach. One is mindfulness which is put simply the ability not to be around by your emotions. The other is compassion. Or if you're if you're afraid as. I am of gooey words. You can just re translate that into friendliness. Just exactly cooler. Calmer nicer attitude toward external and internal phenomena can replace would cooler with warmer sure. I mean i know jimmy but fair enough so it sounds like you pivoted from the initial zen tradition into what's known as the insight tradition which is just another form of buddhist meditation. It's actually the school. I've trained in and right stumbled upon teachers like jack cornfield. Sharon salzberg both of whom have written a lot about yes. Mindfulness again just being able to be non-judgmental aware of stuff compassion which is adding in the notch just non-judgmental aware but having a certain element of warmth in the awareness and so so the mindfulness is aimed holding experience in a non judgmental manner so the compassion is aimed holding the experience in a friendly manner and so they have slightly different targets and so both need to be practiced that can actually almost appear to conflict. Sometimes because you accept your experience as it is including the fact that it's painful at the same time that you wishing yourself well and you want to help. And so it almost forms a bit of a paradox. Actually one of the scenes we like to say is we give ourselves compassion not to feel better but because we feel bad so you have to allow the experience to be as it is at the same time as toward the experience. Because you're friendly because you care you do what you can to help. So one paradox is since sara restate that and i'm also thinking that there may be yet. Another paradox probably won paradox. Is you in mindfulness meditation. We are not trying to control anything. We're just trying to see things as they are right. See clearly insight. The clear seeing of whatever's happening so that it doesn't own us right but in this case All when you add in the compassion layer you're trying to Notice that they're suffering there and you're not trying to alleviate it per se you're just sending warmth toward the suffering as it is trying to manipulate your experience because if you use compassion to try to make the pain go away. It's actually just another form of resistance so you have to fully accept the fact that this was painful this hurt. You know mess the mindfulness validating accepting the fact that this is really painful right now
Toni Bernhard on Self-Compassion and the First Noble Truth
"Because it is so great to have you with us on the wisdom comcast. I'm really happy of asia. Thanks daniel think we might start off with you know so in about two thousand and one is when you you got sick. I believe in and seems. Then you've found inspiration in buddhist teachings and practices for learning how to be sick and we're gonna get into that in detail. But i wondering if you could tell us a little bit about how you initially came across these teachings and actresses okay. Well it was an about ten years before. I got sick so approaching thirty years. This may is nineteen year of my suffering from chronic ghana's so when i was in my early twenties i developed some interest in spiritual matters a lot of alan watts. I got my mantra from the maharishi. And then my husband. And i raised kids. All of that was put aside and when they Either late high school or had left home. When i had my wartime to myself. I started Looking back into spiritual practices and maybe only academic would do this. I bought like six copies of the dow teaching. Maybe five and i read the same verse in each one and then wrote my on verse based on my understanding of those translations and i have no idea were any of that is but it's relevant because one of the translations was by stephen mitchell and i found myself it was a great translation but i've found myself really interested in the footnotes because he can't there may have been some other people but he noted several times quoted this Somebody called master sung son. Who i subsequently learned was a korean zen master who when he first arrived in the states. I was fixing washing machines but then developed a Songa in providence rhode island and now is worldwide. His quantum school is in. And i just love the the quote senate came across one that that said no south. No problem i thought whoa. Whoa sounds no problem. I didn't know what it meant. But i also note was jam. He fascinated me so much. These footnotes that i went to the library at uc davis campus shields library and it went to the card catalogue and looked up sung sun and discovered that in the dr day basement of shields library were rows and rows of buddhist books and i found his dropping ashes on the buddha but i found a treasure trove and i started leading mostly tree traditions zen tibetan and tear baden. I couldn't get enough. Just taking him out piles and That's how i. I learned a lot about the buddhist teachings but i thought what am i supposed to do and so i wrote just stephen mitchell and i don't remember what i said but i remember what he wrote back to me. He said looking at an painting of an orange is not the same as eating orange. And then he recommended to possible dharma centers that i could go to from. I live in davis which is near sacramento so that central valley and they were both in marin county bay. Area was john. Toronto sonoma's zen center. I think and the other one was called spirit rock meditation center and he recommended jack cornfield and i don't remember why i chose that have no. I've just been thinking. How did i get there.
Sticky Hair Monster
"Now let's get started with the podcast episode. So in the last podcast episode, the Zenko on shared is called Joe Shoes. Mu. And I want to share a couple of thoughts about this. The the Cohen itself goes like this Joe Shoe was a famous Chinese and master who lived in Joe Shoe the province from which he took his name one day a troubled monk approached him intending to ask the master for guidance a dog walked by the monk asked Joe Shoe has that dog a Buddha nature or not? The monk had barely completed as question when Josue shouted Mu. So I want to share some thoughts and he starts come from the Book Zenko on's, and this is a book written by Gyo May Kubo say the of all the Cohen's Joe. Shoes Mu is the most famous. It's extremely popular with Zen Masters who frequently assign it to novices if the student tens properly to business mu comes to resemble a hot iron ball stuck in his throat, he can either swallow it nor spit out the importance of shoes mu is it's succinct one syllable revelation of Buddhism. So little background here, and and and again, all of these thoughts come in from the book Zen Cohen's Baio Make Kubo say. He says, Mu, is the negative symbol in Chinese meaning not or no thing Mu. Is also a basic concept in oriental philosophy. There is a relative mu and an absolute mu, the relative mu and Chinese characters is the opposite of you. The letter you which means is the absolute mu of Zen Buddhism transcends is and is not in order to understand this Cohen. It is necessary to be aware of this distinction when the monk asked, Shoshu has that Dog Abboud nature not he was asking not only from the standpoint of his own troubled mind. But from the Basic Buddhist teaching that all beings have Buddha Nature Joe shoe realized this his Mu as an answer was a blow aimed at breaking or untying the monks attachment to that teaching. The essence of Buddha's teaching is non attachment. All human troubles and sufferings without exception are due to attachment even attachment to the idea of non attachment is attachment. Joe Shoe wanted the monk to transcend the relative world transcend the teachings, Transcend Mu, transcend Buddhism, and gain the free and independent world of enlightenment. Satori or enlightenment is this new dimension or perspective in life ordinary human life has always attached to the relative the is and the is not good and bad right and wrong. But life itself is constantly changing the condition of society changes right and wrong often changes. Every situation is different according to time and place. So static concepts are not appropriate to life this thus mu is crucial offers no surface upon which the intellect can fasten. The word mu must be experienced as the world So those are the thoughts from the book Zen Cohen's Baio Make Kubo say regarding the specific Cohen Joe Shoes Mu. And I I wanted to share this. Cohen because as the book mentions, it's most popular, perhaps the most famous of the Cohen's. But to have a little bit of background, you need to understand the answer. So essentially, what's happening here is you have a teacher who's being asked a question by a student by a novice monk and the question is so out of place because. You know the Buddhist teaching of Buddha nature is that all beings have buddha nature. So it's like someone coming law coming along and asking a very obvious question which he should know the answer to according to the teaching that all beings have Buddha nature. The answer to the question does a dog have Buddha nature is obviously yes. But josue knew that he was asking this question that should be obvious. So instead of giving the obvious answer, he gave the answer that the monk was not expecting by shouting Moo or no, or no thing. And in the tradition of Cohen's and in the tradition of Zan, this is kind of the shock and all approach the shock and awe is that that's not what I was expecting. So here you have this novice monk asking a question, get an answer that he's not expecting. And it leaves him confused and that's the exact state that Cohen's and oftentimes Zen in general want to leave you in because it's trying to break you free of the conceptualization 's that you're making in your own mind.
"zen masters" Discussed on The Kevin Rose Show
"That's fantastic so that that's will own gung. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cures to anyone can sign up for retreated. Are these like single day retreats they introductory kind of Intro Zan retreats like what type of Retreats Are you doing? Yes. We have them most of them amongst day and not the Zen Zen is kind of on the menu but as A general mindfulness and meditation practice. But the tools will usually lean a little bit in the sense side. But the Typically full days and you kind of. Choose how much you WANNA do We have a main block from nine am just resigned PM, but as also only block from. Lake blocking evening. You just you just do what you want. So people the the the attendance fluctuates because you know. Tends to kind of concentrate more around the morning tool time ten am and then. And time the. Two. PM. Vessel mounted tied by the way. And, you know definitely a tendency to. Gather a bit around those times but. You, know the there. It's a free for will you come? Goes you like and you pay what you like we have a suggested donation but Beijing anybody can come. And contribute whatever they can. That's great and that's all at mountain cloud dot org. Yes. Correct. Excellent will henry. Thank you so much for being on the show this like super fascinated I'm excited to get to the arrest yearbook and I actually what we were chatting I like bought that that book of Cohen's so I've been like. You have me like she let me go my recent orders. As you were mentioning things I was taking notes So I got the gate lift gate coming. Oh Hey. Can I recommend another book? Yes. Please do is cool zen the authentic gauge. By yarmulke. Coat a Ko you. And that is carbs introductory book to Allot what I've been toolkit from that the math of training in sambo. Fantastic. That's what I'm looking for a that will be the best one again if I were. Okay. Great. Will. Thank you so much. Oh Man. Thank you. So of marshes own drilling size in you know. Humbled to be on your show I. Really think it's terrific by the way. Thank you. You've just incredible and I'm ready on the among them. Thank you. Thank you are that is it for this episode I really hope you enjoyed it and if you did please head on over to the tune store or Google podcasts wherever you're getting your podcast and give us a five star review, it'd be much appreciated and of course, if you really liked this episode in particular shared around with your friends be well as for now see soon..
"zen masters" Discussed on The Kevin and Ryan Show
"That's fantastic so that that's will own gummy yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cures to anyone can sign up for a retreated. Are these like single day retreats they introductory kind of intro to zen retreats like what type of Retreats Are you doing? Yes. We have them most of them moment day and not the Zen Zen is kind of on the menu, but as more general mindfulness and meditation practice. But the tools will usually lean a little bit in the sense site. But the. Typically four days and you kind of. Choose. How much you WANNA do? We have a main block from nine am just recently pm, but as also only block from. Lake blocking evening. You just you just do what you want. So people the the the attendance fluctuates because you know. Tends to kind of concentrate more around the morning tool time ten am and then. QNA time the. Two. PM. Vessel mounted type by the way. And you know definitely a tendency. Gather a bit around those times but. You know the there. It's a free for will you come? Goes you like and you pay what you like we have a suggested donation but Beijing anybody can come. And contribute whatever they can. That's great and that's all at mountain cloud dot org. Yes. Correct. Excellent will henry. Thank you so much for being on the show this like super fascinated I'm excited to get through the arrest yearbook and I actually what we were chatting I like bought that that book of Cohen's so I've been like. You have me like she let me go my recent orders. As you were mentioning things I was taking notes So I got the gate lift gate coming. Oh Hey. Can I recommend another book? Yes. Please do is is cool zen the AUTHENTIC GAUGE By yarmulke. Coat a of you. And that is carbs an introductory book to allot what I've been toolkit from that Spencer math of training in. Sambo. Fantastic. That's what I'm looking for a that will be the best one again if I were. Okay. Great. Will thank you so much. Thank you so much is a really own drilling size in you know. Humbled to be on your show I really think it's terrific by the way. Thank you. You've just incredible people owning and I'm. Honored to be among them. Thank you. Thank you are that? Is it for this episode I really hope you enjoyed it, and if you did please head on over to the tune store or Google podcasts wherever you're getting your podcast and give us a five star review, it'd be much appreciated and of course, if you really liked this episode in particular shared around with your friends be well as for now. See soon..
Weathering The Storm
"Before jumping into the topic that I have for today I wanted to discuss the Cohen that was shared in the last podcast episode. It goes like this. As the roof was leaking zen master told to monks to bring something to catch the water. One brought a tub the other a basket, the I was severely reprimanded. The second highly praised. I want to share some of the thoughts that were discussed in our patriotic community, because there are always good perspectives shared their, and this first one comes from Darlene. Who says quote this Cohen on makes me think of the emotional enlightenment. You discussed in the episode. We think that happiness comes from cleaning to pleasant emotions, but that actually causes suffering. In the same way roof is leaking except that it is leaking and water will get on the floor because that's what happens when the roof leaks. If we catch the water in a Tub, it will eventually overflow in the end. We can't deny our emotions because they will find a somehow. We can find peace by accepting them wholeheartedly close quote. Tani says quote. I wonder if this. Cohen speaks to our tendency to try to control our emotions. If the roof is leaking, we must wait until the rain is over and fixed the roof work on the source of the anger pain, bringing a tub will only result in a harder time removing it or it will overflow later causing a bigger mess, the basket I'm imagining. One of those meant to carry water from the well to the house. So it holds the water, but not as much as the tub may require more trips outside to dump the water, but it doesn't let us ignore it for too long. We still have to pay attention to the basket and water in this way instead of trying to stop emotions from happening, we need to weather the storm as best we can, and then work on the source of the pain and emotions when things are clearer, if possible close quote. And then Mike shares this, he says quote. Maybe I'm doing this wrong, but I seem to be interpreting each of the most recent, the same way, and most of them I see it as a reminder to not look for wisdom and others, but to look for it in yourself instead in this case, the answer of the Tub was clearly the more appropriate tool for catching water, but the students who chose that severely reprimanded. There's no reason to reprimand this student. He chose an appropriate tool for achieving the particular goal. Perhaps the students only air was in believing the Zen master to be more of a master than himself. I really liked the ideas that were shared. These are only three of the several thoughts that were shared in our Patriot community, but I particularly liked Mike's thoughts here at the end. And I wanted to share some of my thoughts about this Cohen. One I. think that we tend to make meaning of things that we make assumptions and we don't know all the details, so we fill in the gaps I think it's it's what we do. It's a human thing. So with a story like this, we immediately make the assumption. If there's a hole in the roof and water is coming in. We paint a whole picture around that. That water must be leaking on the floor. We need to bring something to catch the water so that it stops leaking on the floor a tub in this case. What does it mean a tub? Is it a? A bathtub, because if it were a bathtub on one hand and a basket on another very much could be that the tab was the wrong answer because it was too big, and the thing is, we don't know so we. We paint the story we fill in the details, and then we make the assumption based on all of these details that we we just don't know. So, we're really good at making meaning of things, and because of our discomfort with not knowing the details we fill in the gaps. And! That's what this story kind of reminded me of the fact that I don't know the details I mean first of all. Why do even assume that? Just because the master reprimanded one and didn't reprimand the other that that means one was wrong and one was right. What if? What if the one who brought the basket has been struggling in class, and has been getting everything wrong, and was feeling really down, and the Zen master decided to praise him this time, so he wouldn't feel so bad and reprimanded the one who brought the TUB. Who always gets things right and maybe needed to feel a little more humbled.
"zen masters" Discussed on The Wisdom Podcast
"I think from hard work now, so we didn't have money to. get treatment. So I had to go back to Japan Gordon and so I couldn't do how God anymore I. I went about the Japan new Lewis asked me to on translation. Who of his American decide Brew Now? He's a name. Was that light? He the call today Dr off some books. So I started to. Walk, on, transportation of, gem losses on Dorgan's likings wisdom right? And I found that to translate I had to understand. For, the I'm translating, so I had to set to study, but his on Dogan. Again! What was that like? I had no choice because quote because of my physical condition I. couldn't you know for how this works so hard for now I was in Massachusetts so I have to. I WANNA give up my idea and The creative. To practice using this. What he undermined in the best way. And that is, do study on. Translation on seat as much as much as I could yeah. I imagine just like you can use building to be part of the practice. You can use translation to be part of the practice. Because I couldn't use my body anymore I have. My brain mind yes yes. After that after the means from my Armie Thaddeus, undead, today's Oh. About forty US I have been studying. translating jam does is. It looks at Oregon. Dog into thinks and I started to like my own books gratuity, and then what? What brought you back to America from Japan? Oh, I stayed in Japan about. It ever not twitter. We ears. At that time You Know Katie Dining Dorsey was up. Founder of MINNESOTA The may stations and Pasta way in nineteen ninety. And they that then setup practice is t Jefferson I've. On because I met. Cutler. Practice in Japan for about the Mansour Soul Kogyo..
"zen masters" Discussed on The Wisdom Podcast
"Philsopher carry and yet he's expressed signs ability Dick. So profundity and on beauty overdone ways a boss there. It's amazing just to have depth to add beauty. That's A. Problem for me I can. I can translate the meaning. I cannot translate a beauty. And power there. He's language, is it? Is there a Is there a passage that comes to mind? That epitomizes this depth and beauty that you could chat with us. Nobody you know an Thia? And that Gengis Cohen I think is the like a one point. And and he expressed his very deep understanding inside. Dharma saw. Why did he? And yet they. As like that needs to be beautifully tonight A. Poem. And Ginger Cohen was written for a layperson right? Yes, and it was. The whole of show begins, oh was that it wasn't written for a Layperson, what was the audience? I think Is Looking for are a possum, but probe desktop shogun. Return Fall! He's About the thing with him at his Australia. Because at the end of each school of his eight I put it in this to the. They got it. So, how does it differ? How does the advice for a layperson differ? Deduct change the way he's you know. He presented the Dhamma for lay people. This is the monks in the Tampa. was there a special special message for lay people? I think so. Fast, he's a fast whereas you was infects Aena Kyoto. Walking distance from that. And I think A. he had many day visas to break this study with him. But after he moved to. To establish From a very not so many gay people could visit him. So, he focused on its gate. Monk Disciples, and he had some kind of some kind of. December put disappointment. Teach to teach debut in the in the city. How come maybe they? People had some ex- X petitions because in Buddhism. Old, ladies six. Hundred Years History in Japan. Japanese. Buddhist has some expectation about. Ditching? Foot fat dog brought. From. From China was something very new. Oh, and how how would that different the expectation versus what dug in broad I think i. Was? Young and he's established established. He's Fast Morrissey I. Think they'll get expect those expectation if he president if he presented Authentic Daraghmeh. PEOPLE WHO Accent and support he yep. But he I property I think he found. For hard they own deeds into separate Buddhism. And what was that? Do think though the ritual side of things so Yeah, detroiters. Dr Freya for safety and peace, and we'll being of them the roofs and oversaw the piece of the nations. And also by supporting famous with these moustache and beating big temple can be. Express young their social status got it and so Duggan's emphasis on Zan, and and just sitting didn't fit with that expectation. Put over pretty, and what about you? Have you come Have you come back to studying or your your still continuing your years of of more just practice and not not study. Where is so fast? INDIA'S AT ANTI GENDER WORRIES Endo I. Try not to study on just the practice, but after. Five years. Leaving the? Advise Endo. My Body became hospital. I had to pay on my neck SORTA, and it'll a knee. was that from building the building the center from older building hot work?.
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"But that the end endo, he had that twitter processing. Every month. Wow, because we. We are young. At Untidy. We didn't have session in February and August. Okay, 'cause it's took off until hot. Yes, yes, but in New England. we had Heating System. So. We have no excuse to not to have this in February. And it's not too hot in. So again into have us. Say To? Say it gets quite cold, but if you had heating, no excuse. And then would you give lectures on Sundays every second? Sunday something like that. Lecture about we had A. Discussion. Group I I give presentation in the beginning, and about my translation of considering and. We have discussion whose participants and what is it like to translate Dorgan he? He's non for being very poetic very difficult to understand. What's what what is it like to translate into English I? Imagine a challenge, but I imagine it's very satisfying as well. It's not so satisfying. Finished translating one day I think. I. Have Grad. Joey happiness, but At the same time I have a sadness. Was that because I? Know something is missing. On something Adi's added. Yes, on, something is twisted yes. So I know the difference between dog ends and my transportation. So, there's northbound. Ourselves actually never finished never complete. Do you think that that's just the nature of translation that it's always will be like that I think so you know I. Think. A perfect translation is not possible. Yeah, and so do you think it's important to learn Japanese? If you WANNA, lead re- Dogan for that reason, or is it? Is it not necessary that? Is that the one best way over studying doggone duty to to study Japanese undead, his writings in Japanese. But maybe sick on the best way is to lead many different translations and and compare. What is it about Durga? That captures you the most. where he's teaching his betty deep..
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"We. Were you successful? Yeah. The best time with my. One of and this is very interesting to me because how you came to America and came to be teaching You know Zen to Americans. How did that happen where? I do Jemele shoe. Has the advantage a? I think. Lady from Massachusetts Northampton. Massachusetts! Visited until she. And she asked Jim Rush to come to United States. But, because he's not heresy bustling, he couldn't so he's sent one his disciples. My Dad's brother, whose name was short, Caracal and so hugh and do math. Northampton Massachusetts, yes. Practice he's. Young American people then a house. and. He practiced theat four thinks. ABOUT THIRTY S And, he'd he'd done to Japan. So on those suburb people contain to practice by themselves, so Jim Generous asked US real. His describes to join them and I was one of them. before you know that was our seventies. Anki seventies there are many West people came to Kyoto. Do Practice thin. so-called hippies so-called here. So I'm I'm wandering. You know so when you know coach. Yama, he changed things from the way he learned from so ocoee Roshii in terms of the strictness. Of course he kept the Zaza practice is same, but chain strictness and I'm wondering when you came to America and started teaching. What did you change? What did you keep the same from what you've learned from your teacher? One thing we couldn't do it teaching. Yeah because we are not macho, enough. I was twenty six or seven. We studied English Iowa. We Japan, but our English, not good enough to to teach. That in English language barrier. Night and also we. We bought A. Five or six? It got around in the with -Chusetts sits yes on. We only had threes. We as as We have even outwear water. We beat it as endo and He made Vegetable Garden and we had a dog aware. So, we had to do. How do I? It's a shame. That was no empty temple like so ACURA. She came across. From this? So that was part of the. How do you bring that into the practice I imagined? The building of the the new center becomes pot of Zen practice. How does how does that happen? Walking. Community you are look somewhere. Is. Very important part of sodas and practice from the time of Dogan..
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"Where HE DADDY? Focus on sitting? and teaching. And lighting books. He was very weak. Apostle as I said She's a faster way. Pasta died with TB. and. Cameras transmitted TV from. She's a forest. Okay! Wow, so she lived with TV. Yes, toby, she's right now, so he physically, he was very weak Bassem. So he couldn't sit with US daily. He sat with us on D. during session. Yes. Under solar stove without months he. Believed in the way. She take care of the body. And put it bear for. US. And giving. Luke chess on lighting books so he would give lectures. attend lectures. How often would that happen in in at the temple? I I think everybody every. Other Sundays. We heard that's I. Think I someday. Guy! And people came from outside and. Gave to lecture on Sundays. in the morning and afternoon I. Think Wonder was nineteen meetings. and He. You you talk about one Logan's likings show Gonzo Ginza, and so is this how you encountered? And because I'm wondering, does this emphasis on Zaza in, but then also you ride and have translated a lot of Dogan. So, ooh I started to study. At the university okay. was I study talking for four years. And I am the Anti. Ice I decided not to study anymore. Really because since I was a high school student until I Finish University I thought Fata. idead these idead what leading unthinking. Yes, so. I studied the practice at. I wanted to. quit that life. Yes, so I! Put all my books in the closet. On I not to read books, except Shoghi Enzo on free to. Access. So, you go I. Imagine what's to encounter the thing you've been studying about. Yeah. Oh so I had some understanding of dog and teaching. Fire I was a university student. But. After I started to practice dot com. I. I wanted to do activity practice that teaching, and was coach Yama encouraging of this, or did he want you also studying dog? What what was? He starts about this? He didn't encourage me to study organ Nah I was happy. Yes yes, wonderful, so I actually. Sat quietly for ten years Fast five UN Anton. On next five years advise Endel in Massachusetts. Yes, so. eternity for ten years I. Try not to study..
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"I should do things. But I didn't know. That is more than Dory saw I decided before starting to do dozen. I decide to go to university to study Buddhism. Allow. and. I like studying. What is a major was? Interesting. But after three as I found. That I was at that point, I had to make decision. I want to be a Buddhist scholar or practitioner. and. If I wanted to. I wanted to study become Pretty Scott I. It took my entire life. Yes to study. But that is not fat I wanted. So I. decided to become a monk. After thirty. Yes, I visited on John Asked to Jemele. To become his disciple, so you chose learning to Utah swimming rather than learning about the whole lotion i. Yes, yes, I've felt studying, but his mother's Carrozza studying. Let's B.'s we that cooking eds. Yes, yes, yes. And then I'm wondering how it was when you first went to university to study Buddhism. Because you've read this book, the Dhamma Book a self. You had this idea about the life of a of a Buddhist at attempt Boya, and then you went to university so I imagine that there was some quite large contrast there for you even though you enjoyed studying very much. It must have been a a bit of a difference for you. Hustle. I had.
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"Fourteen of dozen on seven dollars per yet, so was it the fifty minutes ten minutes walking meditation as well yes. Yes, he. He didn't change that about yet. Yeah, wow, and then so so you came across this book right and then you read this book you're inspired. You thought I think this life would have been more meaningful. So what do you do go to? The temple how what's next? Tough, Guy He's a book. me and my friend Wanted to go to anti forces in got it yeah. But somehow we couldn't because of some. School event. So we. Get it up and I feel I. WE ARE Lucky. I didn't go I go to untie. Do Session Athena Seventeen I. I'm pretty sure I do not mind. Yes, my years so. Activity. Indoor that the December sixteen, one thousand, nine hundred sixty five cyclists passed away. Okay, yeah, and. In February next year my my friend died. Know how young. Yeah? He had cancer, Oh, Gosh, so she died within six months. Wow. I know. Everybody. She had sadie. And and yet we couldn't do anything. On the he died in July. Wow, so imagine that was a big loss for you. Because that's yeah, it was really painful and sad experience. To me. Yeah, that was one of the reasons. I decided to become a monk Yup. But it was it was although it was painful, but still I felt some kind of DEF-. Because of his death because I was thinking about meaning. Leading books and But he died a few Probably our could be. She's death he we talk. We talked about some kinds of. Things but the mineral rights. And because he was so weak. so he said I don't care about menu anymore. Wow Devi is had enough. Just living his just living with your just breezing. and. So and About one league. Later he died so I found that actor life on this is not taking in our thinking. Yeah. It seems like for him that I'll you know worrying about? The meaning of life was a relaxed luxury night. And it's not. Not Reality so I fast fund. We have to do I. Have to something. Yes, and that was a time I also I. I lead Dorgan's Gonzo Cohen. Cohen and I. I didn't understand your go on. Threes I accept it one. Part the parties about fish and bod. Bird dog and said if under wanted to understand entire Sky Austin There's no time. They good before before starting to. See more FRY if they want to understand entire sky or or Does not time he could. They could start do seem. Free so it's it's it's it means. Does this mean like that to try and understanding the meaning of life before you start living is doing it backwards. We have to fast. We have to live I threw living. We can find the. meaning. Yeah wonderful and That is. That was kind of duty for me..
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"Because. Saw put the emphasis on sitting that in practice. And A. Practice ceremony or each office. but he studies Dorgan's teaching very deeply. And in Japan, people who Neil? What we practice on the sitting under studying Dogan they. People knew these aggregated. So if people want to. Study Oh a practice, such indenture. They could go other tempers. Yes, right, so it's. So it's not a complete to. How can I say contradicted I mean. She's Tim. RUSSA's time you. Yes, and then what about Zan style like I hear this opium style of Zen practice and win this like sitting, described as just sitting in much more. It can they be different styles of just sitting? I think basically. The same based on dog and teaching Yeah Yeah. You know as I, said Fan. He became a monk with is. The various. Strict session. Yes, and he's after three years of experience of that kind of decision he found. That is not meaningful. To to tweak too strict. He said other living beings. We need thirteen. Amount of sweep. Yes other. Why do we become We experienced kind of abnormal era mentality. Yes, yes, too much strain I saw she decided to sleep seven hours. Okay so after. This? Started his own steidl session. WE SEPT Seventeen fourteen hours fourteen period from four in the morning until nine in the evening, so we have seven hours of sleep, and who and what January thought, that is enough so we have no excuse to three. Maybe a bigger stick. Biggest! On the order, so she quit using Kosaka or he did okay so. She didn't use use Kazakh. Eighteen. Stick. He felt that wasn't helpful to the practice he. said that a kind of hindrance hindrance. Yeah, because someone is walking behind people sitting somehow. People sitting and people walking around. talk. Talk! I mean site into Lee silently. Yeah, you're talking silently. Yeah I imagined for me. It would be a worry in my mind. Maybe a big distraction data. Destruction and indolence to be Daddy Jesse. Yes, yeah. And then also og, as in is being called session without toys site. So, what does what does that mean? That means Other kind of says she not other races. They have morning. ZOMBIES in not ten. Just formulas. Is Kink. And Digested extra and appeared on time on doors various things. Yes, so for whichever studies disruption. Thought that toys toys. Yes Yup. So it is, it is really just practice. Just sitting, just sitting three times eating seven hours sleep repeat. This is the..
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"So after that he. He after he completed. Studying she became a teacher, I wanNA ask the INFO local monastery in Soto's shift. And he and he found that Neither monks, nor the teacher the at Mona XLII presented yearly Sierra Practice Wow Yup. They are the to become a priest to them how to do ceremonies. Charges and he didn't like it, so he escaped. This is a lineage of escaping institutions. It sounds. Yes. and. It's interesting. I am so you mentioned? He went to a Yoga Chara. Temple he was yoga temples in Japan. Was this at university? Can put or monastery both I mean. Hold you is. One of the oldest, but is tempering Japan. Established by Short Oktai, she I think fringe shorter. who was a person who? Accepted Buddhism. In Japan, Japanese, history and hold you. Temple was horns on a main one ASCII all. So a shoe. Halsall shoe is. Jeopardized Japanese a name for your teaching. While in so so there was this, so he really saw what was happening this Suwalki Grocery? So what was happening in the monastery? This became his emphasis on Zan along with the importance because he felt a real value of encountering something directly before you study it. Yeah, would Kush Chioma have studied? Then before he encountered like. Would he have followed the same sort of as? I. Think so even when he was studying western. Philosophy has studying Buddhism, but but not practice. And then I heard one thing that well. This is interesting because I heard one thing while Suzuki row. She was in America teaching. JAPA- Japanese forms then coach Yama was in Japan. Emphasizing Zana Ova Japanese ritual forms right so this. This feels like two different things going on in two different parts of the planet right? Yeah, yeah, is that? Do you think that's you know that's a generalization? But do you think it's a fair generalization of these two strings? Very interesting..
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"Which she found some more targets disciple uber there. At anti-regime in. Okay got starting a starting point of anti-g as a solid. She's improve. Okay, so this is the Wa- The temple near Kyoto Anton, G Anti. Yes, and that's the one that your friend from university went to. Then you back this book, self. So I find that. Same Question I had when Human Asia and he devoted himself to find the answer. To this Oh, he studied western. Philosophy Catholic theology on the on the Buddhism and Sin. And after he found his answer was in practice Dorgan's teaching he continued to practice and share the answer he found was younger people so I I wanted to Kim. You wanted to live like him. Wow, yeah, he. He was a fast oxidative. Pass on. Who Do such a way? Wow So? Like. What did you imagine he's life looked like that. You want to emulate so. He was obviously doing a lot of Zan and reading yoga. What what did you imagine? The life looked like back then I didn't I up in the city near Sokaia to me to study Daraghmeh on just dozen on the wild Ford in within the temporal. and. I knew they believed. Baking Takata because. The emperor had no income. So I really loved that overnight for I think that was kind of other talented way of life from. Life for making money. Yes, yes, it's a stock contracts, and and you'd sense that there will be some meaning in that life. What was it the simplicity? What did you think what would what what made that like I, feel like it had meaning simplicity peacefulness. On the study and Facing onset fizzing roofs facing oneself. Yes, not for doing something. With, other be put forth a of something to me that the good for nothing means good turn and dog is famous for saying to study the Dhamma away ways to study the self. Yeah, what do you take that to mean? 'cause that could mean many things. To India understand. We are. Is this how this? Awesome was a bomb undeserving together either be grew on. Sunday dying. How duty how to understand that process of between you. And this. Yes, on the meaning of this. Yes, then this. This is a really different type of life, and this really gets to the heart of the meaning of life right? I think so from the way of life I were expected by the Japanese society and then. So Lucky Rochhi and also coach Yama their emphasis on Zan rather than the monastic rituals. Do you think, where do you think a? Why do you think they had that emphasis? What? How did that come about for these great masters? Finn, Sarky she became, wanted to become a monk that. He was still a teenager. I think sixteen years old..
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"They stop using. So they could sleep. Wow, and and so they would still sleep in sitting position yes. Yes, while so that's you stay where you are, but you would slate. Yes, so literally they twenty four hours for seven days to seven days. So this is like so coach Yama Win Win. This master went and studied with Suwalki. Roshii this was like the training he would undergo. Yes, it's very interesting that it's fifteen minutes fifty, five, zero, five zero fifty minutes then than ten minutes of. Walking Meditation Walking Meditation of fifty minutes, seating ten minutes walking fifty minutes Tan all the way from two am to midnight. Yeah, except except city mead was on the show the X.. Throwing the meal while, and that would last for seven days is and the role of that. Was that a training? What was the hope if you went for seven days and trading like that? What was the hope? Will the purpose of doing such intense study? Practice I mean. You know so most famous thing. Is that ain't good for nothing? Good nothing that we go I. I had expected an answer like that. So, they just they just see so then I'm. So. OCOEE OSHII who very. Well known for emphasizing ZAN rather than the ritual meditation like the the rituals of the monastery. Yes, and so this is the lineage that you entered into this type of leaning Chinese. Tamara practice at that temple in that to a four three years three years. After three hours, be! At the end of their worldwide to you know they. They had to leave that emperor because to the rain talk your had to. Evacuate evacuate. From Tokyo, understate temple into countryside, so they had to leave. Wow, and so you this seven days. How often in a surfer three years and then? How often would you do the seven days? In. A year I think once a month once a month every month. How so twelve times a year maybe and then for the other three weeks of a month. What would you be doing in these monasteries? They do use your scheduled the morning then and. Morning savage. Chanting. Onto studied periodic and forty in the afternoon watching billiard. That was the. day skills you're. Okay, and then your teacher coach Yama, was he? Was He given? Did Suwalki Yoshi make him he's air or something like that. How does it work in in Soto? A. So Jim Morris practicing that to a research for three, and he had to leave the temporal and he he needs to moving around, so he became another formless monk. Homeless! Until nineteen, fourteen nine. I'd. Borrow emptied, improve empty. Temperament known they were. There are no for many members, so it's the empty without family member means without an income. Wow and so he stayed there that became his place so Oculus Bano that tim prove for his disciples..
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"He stay at some monasteries in that. That's how they met. During that period, he was a teacher I cut the monastery, but the same time he was a professor at Tacoma's universe. Comas Social Tasha University yes so he. He still didn't have his own temple. Was a teacher, a staff of that big monastery. And he he's continued to travel all over Japan. On On that day, Jemele! Ordained was December. A Thousand Nine, hundred, forty, one, nine, hundred and forty-one. Powder how about the? Well. Wow. And and so. This was a special meeting between these two teachers right very influential. After that, he practices with our Keno she and what he's practiced. Look like what how in those days would have looked like to learn Zanan Japan all the time so shots billy special then. Photos and teacher. She Jerry focus on their then. Even though he no, he knew everything research I mean about. Molested practice but At the time in which allows for the ordained, he bought a temporary. Not far from Tokyo and he allowed. His disciples to stay that impro-. and. was always travelling, but he visited that temporal on the while. Someone's to read our five this season. Okay, Except that five decision, those not isn't monks. another suggestion. named Sam nicest in that means offense oculus was there are many people from outside of came to this decision, but during this session under by design into monks, and they start literary twenty four hours. Wow, he's from. They sat from two in the morning. do me tonight. They see! Fifty minute. Periods and minutes king honor the beat it until midnight except three times a day for me use. And during that time they somebody is Go around with your circle. Hitting stick yes, so often they. Sleep the IT'd be heat. Wow, but do adding to our be between midnight and two in the morning..
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"Studied to read that book so. You you. You had more like poetic sensibility that didn't. You know that. May You know the work? The school to work sort of passed less appealing to you and the end you found in this book self something that spoke to you and I'm wondering. What what what do you do you remember any any particular quotes from the book of what what spoke to you hot. Okay An. I led the book. I wanted to find meaning of life for the best way to leave and why we should leave. So I was asking the question did many books. I lead Jamora Russia's a book I found that. I. Was a teenager. He had the same question and he to find. The answer to his question, he went to wasn't university to study west of Los of and. Fire, Hugh studying Western philosophy. He, find that deeply understand. I'm philosophy of He needs to understand Christianity, so after he completed muster 'cause, he became a teacher at a Catholic seminary. In Japan on the he thought Feudal Sophie and Matic's and also he had some kind of our hope that he could be a Catholic, but after six months he find he couldn't. And why was that because he felt he couldn't feet in the institutional racism in Catholic Attach. So, so he quit that job after six months and went back to Tokyo. Octavia you before he, he became the teacher. Fire. He was a university student. He married and. He defies wife. passed away with TB to unity's and So after he went back to Tokyo from the similarity, he married again and he's a sick underway for also died. Why she was. Pregnant to us, very. Painful experienced for him, yeah. and. He find that studying philosophy unthinking doesn't. Give me the answer. Wow, fi! He started to practice then okay, so then so light you. He was looking for the meaning of life. And then he he's path took him to the university to study Western philosophy. And this is this is coach Yama right very famous. Yes, and so then he went to university, and actually was studying western philosophy for the meaning of life. Yes, then he realized that he couldn't really understand Western philosophy without understanding Christianity, and then so that took him to studied quite deeply Christianity I. Think so yes, but he was. It didn't fit well with him. The the institution, the kept of the Catholic Church, and so he found himself. Back, that's how he found himself studying well, then he had these tragedies in his life. You know and he realized that intellectual. Study of Philosophy, all these intellectual philosophy is not a solution to this emotional pain of life. And, so then he turned to Zan attuned to Zan. Is that correct? Yeah, he tried to find the best teacher for him and he would find. Is this when he come? He came in studied with Kodo so arche, yes, at that time at that time circular. She was the Goto are kind of teacher. The Saudis e modestly Neog Tokyo I i. know this. This term homeless Kodo Right, so this is the same great teacher Great Zen teaches yes, and he was mostly not add a monastery by wandering round. Is that correct, or did he?.
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"You mentioned that you discovered a book that sort of set you on your down a path and that book was called self. It was by show which Yama, so I was wondering how you came upon that. and. What was in that book? That really spoke to you. When I was seventeen years old I was a high school shooting in Osaka. And I didn't like school system. And I have A. Friend who didn't exclude neither. So. We are always talking and complaining about. Japanese education system and <hes> value system when Japanese, society at the time you know, definitely Pru, why what very hard to make money to make <hes>? Afterward what to Japan were very poor, so they have to restore them <hes> prosperity. So they walk God and. We didn't like walking heartful. Make money we. I addressed. I wanted to find some <hes>. Meaning of more making money. And that school? You know teachers teach us. We have to study hard to go to our Christie Jess. University And that is to get a good job got means to make good money and I couldn't find any meaning. OBE live in that way over F. So we are in the intervals. And <hes> I often escaped from grass room and a win to a laboratory school library. Under or <hes> many books about philosophy. On Cy, young son and so forth. And <hes> that friend has some Wa Food New Anti Z.. <hes> to two. So the pass on went to on to practice. Who is a does? Qudos Shonda. Under G is a monastery in Kyoto. Is that is that? Yes I live with ing or soccer. On Growth from Osaka. So. During the summer vacation, the friend went to untie visited and ties understated therefore. I think about two weeks. On that was the year nineteen sixty five that that was. Like after was published, the first book on that was <hes>. Or the set of soul. My friend was staying at anti-g. He gave a copy of Bush's a book to his friend. And after he came back from as he, he allowed me to read that book. That was how I. Studied to read that book so. You you. You had more like poetic sensibility that didn't. You know that. May You know
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"You mentioned that you discovered a book that sort of set you on your down a path and that book was called self. It was by show which Yama, so I was wondering how you came upon that. and. What was in that book? That really spoke to you. When I was seventeen years old I was a high school shooting in Osaka. And I didn't like school system. And I have A. Friend who didn't exclude neither. So. We are always talking and complaining about. Japanese education system and value system when Japanese, society at the time you know, definitely Pru, why what very hard to make money to make Afterward what to Japan were very poor, so they have to restore them prosperity. So they walk God and. We didn't like walking heartful. Make money we. I addressed. I wanted to find some Meaning of more making money. And that school? You know teachers teach us. We have to study hard to go to our Christie Jess. University And that is to get a good job got means to make good money and I couldn't find any meaning. OBE live in that way over F. So we are in the intervals. And I often escaped from grass room and a win to a laboratory school library. Under or many books about philosophy. On Cy, young son and so forth. And that friend has some Wa Food New Anti Z.. to two. So the pass on went to on to practice. Who is a does? Qudos Shonda. Under G is a monastery in Kyoto. Is that is that? Yes I live with ing or soccer. On Growth from Osaka. So. During the summer vacation, the friend went to untie visited and ties understated therefore. I think about two weeks. On that was the year nineteen sixty five that that was. Like after was published, the first book on that was Or the set of soul. My friend was staying at anti-g. He gave a copy of Bush's a book to his friend. And after he came back from as he, he allowed me to read that book. That was how I. Studied to read that book so. You you. You had more like poetic sensibility that didn't. You know that. May You know
"zen masters" Discussed on The Wisdom Podcast
"The great pleasure of speaking with Shawki Mirror Roshii Japanese Soto Zen priest and revered writer and translator. Okay Miro, she is also the founder and current Abbot of the Sunshine Zan Community in, Bloomington Indiana. In this conversation you, he accumulated row. She tell powerful stories, not only from his own life, but from the lives of his teaches zen master Kosho Gucci in the Great Kodo Suwalki Roshii, one of the most influential Sodas and teaches of the twentieth century. Off camera she explains the emphasis on Zan of a monastic rituals within his lineage drawing parallels to both duggan's teachings as well as he's on personal encounters with Zan. You'll also hear how this emphasis on Zane has played out in his development as a practitioner as well as his development as a translator. I so much enjoyed this conversation and I hope you. You mentioned that you discovered a book that.
Facing Pandemic Fears with an Awake Heart
"Poet Martha Pasta Wages. Create a clearing in the dense forest of your life and let these moments right now. Be a pause were you inwardly and feel what is here. What wants attention. Been unwilling to feel. Let yourself touch. What really is living in you right now. Your own perhaps sense of owner ability sorrow fear. You might ask the question that as I as I face. This collective suffering what is being called forth in me. What is it that's being called for? How do you want to be? Who Do you want to be in the midst of this? These are important questions. My French important. Because our prayer as our sensing who do I really WanNa be through this? That has the power to guide us. Many of you know in love this teaching from Zen Master On I circulated at some in the last week or so and it helps me every time I reflect on it. He writes that when the crowded Vietnamese refugee boats met with storms or pirates. If everyone panicked all would be lost but if even one person on the boat remained. Calm and centered. It was enough. It showed the way for everyone to survive. So here we are. We're in the midst of this huge unprecedented uncertainty reactivity in fear and confusion a lot more. Can we be that person? Because in a way we've been training for this each of us in our own ways we've been training how to open more in our personal life to the joys and the sorrows to the fears to the losses within away car. We've been training so if you're intentional right at this juncture in time. If you're intentional how you want to move through this the suffering that arises concern you towards your deepest resources we kind of get back into it into our bravery and into our wisdom and our our love and I'm sure you've seen it in your own life how it's often the periods of suffering the real losses the failures when we actually grow when our consciousness wakes up SOM- so we'll look together now at how these very circumstances of our times the dangers that are presented to our bodies our health our life our loved ones or financial security have these various circumstances can be grounds for compassion. We'll explore that together and I'd like to do this in two parts. I how what's going on and what's coming up in us how we can then create find an inter refuge of love of presence. How can we do that? And the second part is how we can find refuge with each other because if ever there was time for Sanga Ev- ever this world is going to experience truly moving through something holding hands. Whether it's we might call it. Virtually but our hearts together. This is the time so we start with the first and I'd like to name that it's important as we practiced with the fear succumb up as we seek in refuge that we remember that fear is utterly natural and appropriate. When we're facing danger loss I love the language. It's nature's protector. It's telling us to take good care. And in many ways in some parts of the world and with some of US say the United States. We haven't been awake and scared enough to do. We needed to do to prevent as much loss as may becoming. So fear's intelligent part of us and so often when it comes up. There's a sense. Oh I shouldn't be experiencing this. There's something wrong with me for feeling fear in a sense that we should just try to get rid of it so for me. One of the most powerful little practices I do when fear comes. Up Is Mentally. Whisper this belongs. It's like it's a wave in the ocean and it belongs so fear's natural it's intelligent and the challenge as we know is that if we don't know how to be mindful of fear. Fear possesses us. Panic can become truly debilitating when we get hijacked by fear we lose contact with our with our most recently evolved part of our brain our frontal. We we lose contact with compassion. We lose contact with perspective with humor with all executive functioning. So I'm it's matter matter of degree of course but fear when it takes over causes a tremendous amount of suffering and in a pandemic it's contagious so can become widespread and it becomes one of the greatest dangers of pandemic. So again that question. Can we be that person in the boat who feels the intelligence of the fear but knows how to hold it with? Mindfulness and with compassion. Because this is where the training and mindfulness comes in and we're going to explore it bringing rain which is a we've of mindfulness and compassion to fear at first to say on many of you are probably aware that along with my colleague Jack Cornfield. I teach a mindfulness teacher. Certification Program and a number of people in the current cohort are from China and several of them reported in. They told us that the Chinese government has just officially recommended that to reduce stress and report community during these times. Everybody in China. She practiced mindfulness meditation. So I heard this kind of celebrated. It's pretty cool. And some of you might know that I and a couple of colleagues are currently offering webinars. Mindfulness webinars to the House of Representatives and staff. So here we are now waiting for the official word that we're supposed to do physical distancing washing hands quieting our minds and arriving in presence. May It be so so? Let's take a look at. We find that inner refuge of calm in the midst of the storm for ourselves and for the sake of others and we begin. I'd like to start by saying when fear is really strong. When it's the level of panic and trauma were what's called outside the window of tolerance. And that's A. That's a phrase from my friend and colleague Dan Siegel Great Psychiatrist. And he describes the window of tolerance for within a fears within it. Then we can bring mindfulness and compassion and really transform our relationship to it but when it gets outside the window of tolerance we first need to calm down our nervous system. We need to do some a reducing of the activation of the sympathetic nervous system of fight flight freeze so there are a number of ways we can do this and you are probably familiar with them. They're all forms of nurturing ourselves. Helping US feel some sense of safety in love and one of them that is so helpful is breathing along deep breath breathing and counting to five and the in breath and then coming to five and the out breath and if you can do that for a few minutes ten minutes fifteen minutes you totally shift your nervous system. Route other ways of calming fight flight freeze grounding and that means feeling gravity feeling your belonging to the earth part of grounding might be to touch the fabric of what you're wearing into sense the the surface of the desk or the material of your chair named something you're seeing in the room so that you're bringing yourself into the here now with your
Embodied Presence (Part 2) - Planting our Roots in the Universe - Working with Pain
"There's a story about a Buddhist master pastor who was asked how come he meditated and his response was to see the tiny purple flowers by the side of the road. I say walk to town each day and that to me uses beautiful a reason any our last talk car for the last live talk was on embodied presence. How this waking up to the life of our body coming home to the aliveness of our senses really is the gateway to everything we long before we can really wake up in our bodies we can wake up to our cart art loving and we can wake up to our full wisdom and so what I'd like to do is continue that this will be part two and what what we'll do is we'll look at both the challenges of waking up in our bodies and also the gifts and as we explored a couple of weeks ago one Buddhist master put it really well when he was asked to describe the world has response was lost in fought and there? We go when we look back on. Today it's pretty easy to sense how much we're in that trance manse that kind of virtual reality of of thoughts and often. It's easy to see. In retrospect how little we were actually awake in our bodies and our senses and we know that's the way it goes that we spend a lotta time not only in thoughts in thought sick at us tight like worry the thoughts and like judging thought and like planning when we don't need to keep planning or rehearsing we don't need to rehearse type thoughts so we see that we spend time in those kind of virtual realms than we're not so often aware of the life that's here and this is true even even when we get sometimes into our contemplacion's of the spiritual mysteries or one step removed from from full here nece one of my favorite of this end stories of a young monk who who asked the Abbot of the monastery will what happens after we die and the APP. It said I don't know and the monk was kind of alarm armed said but I thought you were a zen master and his response was I and but not a dead one and so it's a really interesting inquiry about the role of thoughts because we need them to survive and flourish and they do service on the spiritual path and were dictated to our thoughts. We get lost in thoughts. That don't serve us as we well know. And and in the deepest way if we don't know how to step out of this ongoing conceptualizing we can't really contact contact directly the reality that's here. We can't truth directly when we can't get out of thoughts we can't it feel the fullness of love when we're really wide open 'cause thoughts create a matrix where there's a self and other and a sense of separation so we I need to wake up at of our thoughts and the challenges and here's the bottom line challenge that when we wake up out of thoughts and come into our bodies were coming being into the wilderness. Because we're coming into the domain where it can fuel raw and we're there commune intensity of pleasure and unpleasant S. Yes and pain and so there's this inner weather systems we can't control them. We're just if we're opening to our bodies we're just feeling what's there and it's much easier to remove ourselves and stay in the mental control tower. We dissociate I was love. George Carlin's as he says I'm not into working out. My motto is no pain no pain and the reality is we. Don't like hanging out with pain. You know we want to fix it or get away from it in some way so we'll look at together a how we can practice when we do have physical or emotional pain. We'll look at that some and and I'm curious how many of you have noticed when you started meditating that you do find. You have a lot of pain that you're working with. Can I see by hands chiefs. So there's a lot of us for those of you. That are watching. That was probably fifty percent and and that's just like right now. Now are a lot of pain. All of US experienced pain at some time or rather I can save for myself that I've had my reasonable ables share. I had a period where had pretty ongoing chronic pain for about six years sometimes acute not always acute chronic chronic which can be exhausting and of course I know many people that have had it way worse but I know what it's like to sit down to meditate and everything in me is going. I don't WanNa be feeling this. You know I just don't want to sit with us. So if Meditation Means Waking Up to the Yuckiness that we're filling in a body. Obviously we're not GONNA be that drawn to it. So let's. Let's look at this but I wanna I emphasize besides that even when we're not experiencing chronic or acute pain are default and this is built into your brains are default setting when there's any kind of stress at all and that's a lot of the time is to leave our bodies we immediately go to how control things and fix things and we leave our bodies and you might have noticed that the more stress do you get. I always liken this to riding a bicycle physical and we're riding away from presence in the more stress we get the faster were peddling to kind of get somewhere and do something and fix something and then with there's that sense there's not enough time you notice that one. How often we feel? There's not enough time. So we leave Steve and relieve even when there's just ordinary unease we leave our bodies and we kind of go into. We'll go into that kind of some habit of the mind or behavior. Take us away from that discomfort. Some years ago I read a story that was called by a doctor who is the OBGYN and he described when he was very very new in practice. How I'm he was gotten really nervous and self conscious when he was doing pelvic exams for women? It really made them uncomfortable comfortable so he developed this kind of unconscious habit of whistling when he was doing the exams and one day describes her one he was doing doing exam on one woman and she started giggling and then she started laughing and he said Oh. What's wrong in my tickling? You and she said Oh. No no doctor. But what you're whistling is. I wish I were an Oscar. Mayer Leaner so we leave we we get into our habits and some of them are more Some of them cause more harm. Some of them don't cause harm but the deal is the more more intense artists comfort the more fully we dissociate and when I say that we as a society were associated with the more that we are struggling with war or with natural disasters with societal oppression like racism that it creates a feeling of unsafe to be in this body. I remember Tanya how she coats put so powerfully. How being African American and this country means it is unsafe to be in your body so rather than stay with that and the same thing with our personal life so many any of experienced abuse really deep wounding and very early on this is our our survival mechanism we leave the site where it feels most uncontrollable and painful? So let's look at what happens when we leave. What happens when we dissociate and I look at it like we all are somewhat associated and we all know we get lost in virtual reality and forget to be here but what happens what happens when we leave the aliveness sits here and one? There's unprocessed fear when there's vulnerability that we have an attended two or one thing is fatigue because it takes energy to maintain association.
"Last week what we started with was the definition of mindfulness which I teach as to be present without judgment and with compassion and then we spent the day talking about what it means to actually be present. How do we get present? How do we stay present? And why does it matter and so today is the day that is dedicated to the teaching of non judgment. And I think perhaps it's the most misunderstood of the three pieces of a mindfulness practice and I feel like tonight so really wonderful or from to talk about it in its depth Although it is so deep the we'll do our best. So non judgement is I think most most often believed to be the sort of pseudo spiritual Zen Master on the mountain top and I sort of walk around with a it is what it is attitude right like. Oh nothing fazes me. 'cause I meditate. I'm so spiritual la La la it's all by Karma right and this this is not what non judgment means at all period area that is an incorrect fallacy. Wrong statement. Okay this is not non judgement. So what non judgement is. Teaching us. Is that in fact. Every single moment has an emotional tone to it so every single moment in our brain is being processed as ooh good. Keep heap this one or a bad run or it's neutral and we're like on facebook right so if it's a neutral moment we're just totally checked checked out anyway but if we're present and it has an emotional tone it's either yes hold onto this. Don't let it change or this is terrible a half to to get out of this moment and both of those scenarios create this entire realm of magical thinking that usually begins the sentence since with I should or it should as in this moment should be different in some way and the truth of the moment is it cannot be different it is just this moment it is here. It's already here. There's no possible way it can be different. It's this moment and so the teaching the first step of this idea of non judgment is to acknowledge that this is indeed the moment an equally to acknowledge how you feel about the moment. So it's not to say that non judgment means no feeling but it's asking us to get very clear about what we're feeling in the moment because so often we go along without any sense of checking in any sense of like am I am. I tried really hard to keep this. Because it's so good or my trying really hard to run away or check out in some way because it's so bad. Am I imagining that. I could make different. That I'll be happy win Blah Blah Blah or. This'll get better. Win Blah Blah Blah Blah and the invitation of non judgment is to. I say it is this right now. Not It is what it is it is this. That's a hugely different statement. Right can you hear that difference. Not It is what it is which is sort of saying I throw up my hands and it is whatever I'll just let it be versus saying with conviction even it is this acknowledging it because it gives you the full freedom to then say and I feel great about it or I felt terrible right now. This this is a moment of suffering for me. In either instance. It frees us up to be truthful about what's happening in the moment and then this is the piece I think that's most important about non judgement and then we relinquish the judgment. We layer on ourselves for how we actually actually feel because the subconscious mind is sort of doing a dance. That's like I hate this moment because I think I deserve deserve a better job position and when I get the raise and more money and better office and I have everybody's respect in the office then I'm going to be happy and a piece of your brain is going you know. That's frog you meditate. That's so silly. Why do you still have these feelings? You shouldn't feel this way and there's like a little bit ashamed building up around this wish that you have for yourself and so in classical teaching what that's called is the double Arrow right so aero number one is I wish this moment was different and that hurts. It's when you wish a moment was different hurts. It creates suffering an Arrow number two is I wish I felt differently about the way that I feel and that hurts even more more. So it's like a double layer of suffering that we're creating for ourselves. We can't always do something about what's happening in the moment right. It's not that easy that sometimes we can just say. Oh I have this new awareness and now I'm going to change this. We can't always do it that quickly away. But one of the pieces that we have tremendous control over is the way that we talk to ourselves right so we can start to shift by just by. Catchy Oh really coming down on myself because I feel jealous of my friend who got this great opportunity. I didn't get or because annoyed at my partner. Because Blah Blah Blah right. We can catch the way. We're treating Freidan ourselves about that feeling so it's not like I gotta stop the feeling it's more so can I stop beating myself up over the feeling okay. So this is the major teaching about non judgement but the piece that gets overlooked. Yeah I think the piece that gets overlooked sometimes is how do we take teachings like this teachings around non judgment and acceptance and non possessiveness passiveness and then place them in the context of our world today and place them into the context of social activism and restorative justice. And the way that we want to move through the world which is certainly not to sit on a mountaintop and be like. Oh it is what is right. So how do we take these teachings and then use them and the beautiful thing. Is that nothing in these teachings. Say sit down and don't do anything nothing in fact the teachings very very much invite us to stand up and take a stand to use our voice for is ineffective change the way none judgment comes into play is is that it asks us to be very clear about where our action comes from. So you can imagine if you're getting stuck with that double Arrow we just referenced. This moment hurts and I'm angry because I'm reacting this way about it. I'm double suffering and then the knee jerk reaction when I double suffer is what explosive anger Fly off the handle about something accuse somebody of something without having a conversation I I mean there's a million ways that we can react when we're stuck in that moment of suffering and none of its wise none of it invites growth or change or Betterment but if we can pause long enough to connect I and release some of what word telling ourselves in terms of judgment and then step forward with a really strong clear voice. That's how we at least at least begin to take a
Evelyn Tribole on Meditation and Mindfulness
"Here we go Evelyn AAA great to meet you like likewise? I'm so excited to be here. Thanks for making time for this. Yeah absolutely so. How did you get into meditation? It's so bizarre. It was a securities route. The long short story is when my mom was dying of cancer I keep missing sessions with patients and I would tell them why I didn't think flaky and so patient might give me a book called Mindful Grieving and I remember looking at it. They can wind the hell. Do I wanNA feel migrelief. I am a ten of sadness and it broke me open because I noticed during those times I practice some mindfulness as I knew it back then I was just a little baby meditators but I noticed there was times as neutral. There was time to actually was happy even though my mom was dying and so it opens something up and then end up taking a this is this is really funny. I took professional retreat with someone. WHO's a zen zen master and a pediatrician s for health professionals? And I'll never forget the second time. They made us meditate. I thought I was GONNA die. I call my best friend. They must meditate two times. We're going to go into silence and long story short here I am. I fell in love with meditation. I now train with Dan Brown. Who's just an amazing teacher for me? I don't I've never met Dan Brown. He's at Harvard at Harvard and the thing that appeals to me. Personally I'm a skeptic. That's what I loved about your story. I'm a skeptic. I'm always the one asking the questions and because he's also an academic academic and a practitioner. He is very satisfying relationship. With my mind you know. And he's he's just really really gifted and and one of the most persons since I've ever met especially being at Harvard you know. So how how did you find him. Oh I got. His Book Is Really Really Big Book about the stages of Meditation Mahmoud Mahamoud pointing out the way and I bought it put it down five years later I picked it up and it blew me away and I had the I realized I had the illusion of meditating but it was not meditating properly and I thought I've got to go meet this guy. I've got to go train with him and I did. And that's what just knocked me over so you say you weren't meditating properly. But he pointed out the way they to do it properly. What with what were the difference? What was the difference? There in the technique between the biggest technique is meditation. Your mind goes all all over the place and one of the techniques has. I won't go into detail since I'm not a teacher. But he really has you practice the awareness of your breath the entire way and really noticing saying when you leave noticing when you have partial concentration in these types of things and so the other thing. I like about him as a teacher when you go into retreat with him. He's there the whole time usually other retreats. I've been and you have a teacher from me about an hour and then but there's constant interaction which for me is I connected with very deeply so you when you say you went and met met him did you just say hey. Can I get a little bit of your time. You show up. No no no. I showed up to win. It was retreats. I signed up and it was so funny was held at a monastery. It was like. Oh my God I'm going in deep here and it was great it was really really great and I have become now. You're talking about being ten percent happier. I think I'm a I'm a ten percent better person which makes people around me. Happy the complex before. I didn't think I was reactive. And I realize holy Moly so reactive but this thing that has changed with me telling this with Dan Dan. We just met a couple of months ago is that I have changed. I actually sickness sound terrible before I would do the right thing because you're supposed to but now I actually genuinely care there it. It's hard to put into words what this is but this connection and this compassion and you talk a lot about the Wu stuff the most you stuff and I'm like that and now here here I am talking about stuff and it's like Oh we have to end all suffering and so what this has done in my career. Oh Yeah I'm not. I'm not a person but but it has lit my my my passion for what I do to a level. I didn't expect what happened to put an end to unnecessary suffering as relates to mind and body. Because there's so much unnecessary suffering around eating and body judgment and shame and you talk about conceptual mind. Oh my gosh. The rules and the concepts in the judgements. That are out there. Uh and it's neat to watch people's lives change you know. It's there's a technique that we created through intuitive eating over twenty five years ago we've updated all along and and the cool thing is there's now research on our method and it just it just warms my heart and ways. I just can't begin to describe. We're GONNA go deep on Diet. Culture et Cetera villages logistic with your practice for a second. Would you call yourself now a Buddhist. I am a Buddhist. I did take refuge. Yeah but you know it's funny. I don't talk about on taking refuge for you. You take a vow that basically you take refuge in your just refuge in the Buddha the Dharma and the song and the Song I yeah and you know one of the most troubling parts of it this is going to sound really silly but I'll just show you where I was back at. The time is that they have to have to cut off some of your hair. And I've heard you talk about your own hair. So the idea of losing your hair for a ceremony was JUSTA Sudha. It's about letting go not having attachment but the reason I don't usually talk about it is I don't like to be in that place being different. I'd rather find what we have in common because as soon as as soon as I say. I'm Buddhist then. Walls might come up from some other people you know but the I consider myself a secular Buddhist meeting. I don't know what happens in the life after but I love the principals and the philosophies. It's a beautiful way to live without without judgment it without having to recruit other people. Yes Oh yes. That's exactly the way I feel. Oh Yeah Yeah. So what flavor of Buddhism did you join for. Well it's kind of interesting. I didn't tell you about the but the detour I took with the Shamala and I learned a lot of Buddhism and did a lot OUGHTA training with them. I was on a path to become a teacher. I do what I call baby teaching where I could teach meditation on an individual level or or lead meditation in a group setting health. You Russian ballet is a Buddhist lineage. I guess to founded by a controversial Tibetan a teacher by the name of choke him trunk Rinpoche Iraq mouthful he was born into bed had a very traumatic exit from there when the Chinese invaded did and then ultimately made his way to the West where he dropped a robe started wearing a suit and tie also became an alcoholic. I guess embodied drank himself up to death ultimately embodied or what he called crazy wisdom so he was controversial for all of the forementioned reasons and yet many of his students. It really are quite loyal to this day. And so sh- umbrella is the system. He left behind Dave centers all over the place and it was taken over by his son. The Sok Yong's doc young napalm. Yeah who's been on this show. Oh really guess Before he got into trouble and was trumped out in me you too. I don't know the exact nature of the allegations but it was. It was disturbing to read all the reports and that's ultimately why left. Actually I was still. I was starting to already trained with Dan. I knew it's going to be leaving you symbolic but when that happened. It's like I'm out. I can't support a system in which has been so much abuse of power at such at so many different levels but I will say hey the weird thing is and the part. I'm grateful for the teachings that I learned really helped me. It helped me helped me open my mind to to where I am right now but the way I look at it is is what I refer a patient there. My answers absolutely not. You need to go into a place of safety when there's been places of abuse. People that often enter meditation coming in a really vulnerable spot. You know and I know this is not unique to other organizations. But it's just it's really disturbing to see so yeah so I'm no longer with the group I mean I don't know you very well in one or two times. We met and I definitely didn't know his dad but I've I know a lot of people who were close to him and it's a puzzle because he he was by by many sort of I. I don't know if I call them objective measures but if you look at his writing look at take his teachings. He clearly had wisdom and yet in his behavior. There's a documentary about him. Called crazy wisdom. I think you could see it on Youtube. He was sleeping with his followers and obviously drunk a lot. And so it's it's it's a puzzle for you know I. I don't know much about him so I don't WanNa say talk as if I've got some sort of encyclopedic understanding but it's not surprising for for me to hear you were discomfited by the culture and yet you learned a lot. Yeah and he was really interesting because when I started to go down the training path ask that to me is an obligation. I did due diligence and I was not. I was not comfortable with the history of the founder but I was comfortable with their all their policies of Karen Conduct. It's like okay. It was in the sixties. I don't get it I don't I agree with it but no one's trying to absolve him but when this new set of things happened that was that was it for me. It reminded me of what you see and in family systems of toxicity that that that go down from generation to generation ration- It needs to heal. And anyway that's a whole other story so yeah so I'm grateful from what I learned. That's that's the good news on. That didn't turn my my mind and get got me ready for reading a book when I first bought it I couldn't even understand it. I just put it side and I was getting ready to lead a meditation. We do this thing called contemplation after doing two rounds of meditation meditation. You now take the awareness of your mind and you put it on a phrase and as a leader you get to pick what that is and I was looking for new material and go. I'm GONNA look at Dan's book again and that's when I found the stuff and I couldn't put it down and that's what that's what my change. What what flavor of Buddhism is Dan? Well you know he he's in the lineage of Remai- which it's been around for two hundred years and that's where they take what they consider a best practices and all the different traditions and teach based on that way so whoever they does the best concentration technique that's who they're used and so it's it's kind of cool. Yeah so it's like the Zoroastrians are coming to mind. I don't I've never heard of him. I believe leave. There is a religion a Persian religion. That was a combo sort of a cafeteria style. Combination of all of the pre existing Abraham. Oh okay towns like this is the. Dan is doing the Buddhist version of